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Title: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 12, 2011, 06:07:42 PM: So the greatest fantasy book series of all time (yes, better than Lord of the Rings) is being turned into a television series produced and broadcast by HBO. There's already a thread about the book series (here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4956.0 ), but this thread will be about the television series as it unfolds. I for one have not looked at any publicity or promo stuff, to further whet my appetite. But for those unfamiliar with the books or interested, here's a good breakdown by Alan Sepinwall and Daniel Fienberg about what to expect: https://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-fien-print/posts/listen-firewall-iceberg-podcast-no-68

It premieres this Sunday, and then will get replayed about a million times according to HBO's schedule. The buzz surrounding it so far has been very positive, which makes me speculate that all my fanboy dreams will come true. The casting, from the names that I know, already seems perfect to me. Hopefully the rest measures up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ricky on April 12, 2011, 06:17:47 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 12, 2011, 06:07:42 PM
So the greatest fantasy book series of all time (yes, better than Lord of the Rings)

wrong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Flacracker on April 12, 2011, 06:39:08 PM: Quote from: ricky on April 12, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: GuineaPig on April 12, 2011, 06:07:42 PM
So the greatest fantasy book series of all time (yes, better than Lord of the Rings)

wrong.

wrong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2011, 05:03:20 AM: I haven't read any of the books, but I'm looking forward to this series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 13, 2011, 07:04:16 AM: From what Sepinwall said about it, for those who haven't read the books it's no more difficult to get into than the other great HBO dramas. And from what he's seen (6 episodes) he claims that it does to fantasy what Deadwood did to Westerns, and The Wire did to cop dramas, which makes me giddy to no end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: NecessaryPain on April 13, 2011, 07:56:07 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 13, 2011, 07:04:16 AM
From what Sepinwall said about it, for those who haven't read the books it's no more difficult to get into than the other great HBO dramas. And from what he's seen (6 episodes) he claims that it does to fantasy what Deadwood did to Westerns, and The Wire did to cop dramas, which makes me giddy to no end.

Well that's certainly some statement.

Pretty much anything HBO spend their money on is gold. Really looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on April 13, 2011, 08:22:28 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2011, 05:03:20 AM
I haven't read any of the books, but I'm looking forward to this series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 13, 2011, 08:23:53 AM: It's on my DVR list.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on April 13, 2011, 09:09:34 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 12, 2011, 06:07:42 PM
So the greatest fantasy book series of all time (yes, better than Lord of the Rings)
Way too early to make that kind of judgment. Heck, I'm not sure it's even the best current fantasy series I'm reading, which I might tab Bakker's Second Apocalypse as.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on April 13, 2011, 09:49:45 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2011, 05:03:20 AM
I haven't read any of the books, but I'm looking forward to this series.

hef if there's any way you can do it before watching the series, I would recommend reading the books first. At least the 1st one. I don't think I read through a novel any quicker than I did A Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on April 13, 2011, 01:54:40 PM: Love the first three books. So excited for this
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on April 13, 2011, 04:38:16 PM: Likely the thing I'm excited for the most this year. I've been following every bit of information that've been pouring out :lol

Having read both series I definitely prefer A Song of Ice and Fire to Lord of the Rings, but I'm not sure I'd call it better. JRRT was such a brilliant worldbuilder that influenced everything down the line (ASOIAF included), but GRRM certainly makes more interesting characters and more gripping plotlines.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faemir on April 13, 2011, 04:40:50 PM: I wouldn't judge ASOIAF till it's finished.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on April 13, 2011, 04:45:57 PM: I was worried about GRRM not finishing the series before, but since ADWD has a release date and is pretty much done (and there's a good number of chapters already written for TWOW), I'm not that concerned anymore. Besides, the reasons for the long gaps between AFFC and ADWD were due to him intending on implementing a five year gap, then scratching that idea and starting over, then running into issues with what he called the Meereenese knot (having to time a bunch of important PoV characters meeting for the first time correctly) and some other bullshit that's all been dealt with. I trust we won't be waiting as long as we did for ADWD for the next two books.

anyway goddamnit this thread is about the TV show someone go bump the book thread linked in the OP

The fifteen minute preview, for those who haven't seen it:

https://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/Fifteen_Minute_Preview/

EDIT: Oh, faemir, completely misread what you said since you edited your post quickly :lol I agree with that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheMadgician on April 13, 2011, 04:52:31 PM: I've read a bit of A Game Of Thrones. Great book. I'm kind of excited for this. I'll probably be borrowing the book from my friend pretty soon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faemir on April 13, 2011, 04:55:37 PM: Did I mention that it won't beat lotr anyway? :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Summers on April 13, 2011, 04:56:14 PM: Really looking forward to the series, been following its progress for ages now. The only thing is I only have a standard def TV and I want to experience it in HD really, been watching all the sneak previews and trailers on the net in HD and the visuals are just amazing. Love the sets.

The casting is also excellent. Peter Dinklage, who else could you have as Tyrion really, and Maisie looks great as Arya from what I've seen. Sean Bean, Mark Addy... everyone seems perfect for their roles. And Cersei... *drool*

Am I right in thinking that there is going to be one season per book? Or is there going to be more than just AGoT in the first season?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on April 13, 2011, 05:27:19 PM: Yeah, GoT and probably ACoK (if they get a second season, which is likely) will be one season. I'm thinking if the show's a success and they get to do ASoS they should split it into two seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on April 13, 2011, 06:58:39 PM: Why? Networks like to force their shows in premade annual season schedules, but this is cable. One season can be a very different length than another.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 14, 2011, 09:49:38 AM: I know this is technically a fantasy series, but in all of the stuff I've seen on HBO, it looks a lot like just a medieval setting. Is there sorcery, monsters, magical items? Or just a bleak landscape and great characterization?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 14, 2011, 09:56:44 AM: Very little of what would be considered "magical". In most cases, it's similar to medieval historical fiction.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Summers on April 14, 2011, 10:16:34 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 14, 2011, 09:56:44 AM
Very little of what would be considered "magical". In most cases, it's similar to medieval historical fiction.

Well, without spoiling too much it does incorporate a lot more fantasy "magical" features as you get further into the series. I've only read the first two books and I'm a bit into the 3rd. There are no elves and dwarves or anything like that though, unless they appear later on...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on April 14, 2011, 10:31:33 AM: Magic and the like become more and more prominent as the series moves on. It isn't the focus of the series, though, and even into the fourth book it is much more low key than in the normal fantasy series. The series is roughly rooted in some historical wars and politics from the British Isles, and it definitely feels as such when you read.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on April 14, 2011, 10:48:11 AM: I'd say there's more than a "little" magic, but it's a bit subdued and well done in its execution. Well, I'm including the fantastical elements that aren't really magic spoilers right there -> such as wargs like Bran and Varamyr, Dany's "children", giants and undead, etc. <- spoilers right there , things you'd still only see in a fantasy series
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on April 14, 2011, 01:31:19 PM: Quote from: ricky on April 12, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: GuineaPig on April 12, 2011, 06:07:42 PM
So the greatest fantasy book series of all time (yes, better than Lord of the Rings)

wrong.

It is. Song of Ice and Fire wonderfully shows the entire spectrum of humanity; from the most horrid of evils to the most noble of good and how often the two overlap. Martin is not afraid to freely write scenes which strokes the thoughts we avoid because he is exposing humanity's full potential; from the most noble and just men such as Eddard Stark, to the most diabolical and evil such as Gregor Clegane. It is on HBO because you WILL be exposed to things that will make you shiver.

LoTR is meant for teens and young adults. It is fine fantasy indeed; but great story telling acknowledges and actively plays with the full depth of a character's mind. Sam was too unbelievably good and Sauron was too unbelievably bad. Martin does not make the mistake of idealized characters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: NecessaryPain on April 14, 2011, 01:44:40 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on April 14, 2011, 01:31:19 PM
Martin does not make the mistake of idealized characters.

I wouldn't call it a mistake, it's more a sign of the times.

Modern fiction, whether fantasy or otherwise has changed. That includes the great movies and TV of our time.

It's just a progression.

I'm sure if Tolkein was alive today and 50 years young he would perhaps have changed his level of writing, too. Martin has the positional advantage, in that sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on April 14, 2011, 01:51:24 PM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on April 14, 2011, 01:44:40 PM
Quote from: soundgarden on April 14, 2011, 01:31:19 PM
Martin does not make the mistake of idealized characters.

I wouldn't call it a mistake, it's more a sign of the times.

Modern fiction, whether fantasy or otherwise has changed. That includes the great movies and TV of our time.

It's just a progression.

I'm sure if Tolkein was alive today and 50 years young he would perhaps have changed his level of writing, too. Martin has the positional advantage, in that sense.

I wouldn't agree. There have been writers of all ages who are open to the extremes of humanity. Homer for one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheMadgician on April 14, 2011, 07:22:33 PM: Stopped over at my friends today and picked up A Game of Thrones. I plan on trying to get at least the worth of the first episode by the time I watch it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 15, 2011, 10:33:24 AM: The New York Times review is :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on April 15, 2011, 12:48:45 PM: Most of the reviews are very positive, and from what I've seen the ones that are not have some... very ridiculous complaints, or just despise fantasy in general and don't say much besides "it's fantasy so it sucks".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on April 15, 2011, 03:57:02 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 15, 2011, 10:33:24 AM
The New York Times review is :rollin

wow, did she base that off a 2-minute preview or something? Almost nothing she says is true of the tale; I mean its not even up for debate. Bravehart like hordes? wtf :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: blackngold29 on April 15, 2011, 08:18:43 PM: Will this be available online somewhere? Like I'll buy it on iTunes, I'm that intrigued.

I heard it was R-rated LoTR (not necessarily better or worse) but it actually seems a little more than R-rated. Would rather watch it now than wait for the DVD in however many months because I'll probably lose interest by then.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheMadgician on April 15, 2011, 08:45:40 PM: Hulu, maybe? Does Hulu do HBO shows?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: blackngold29 on April 15, 2011, 08:54:01 PM: I looked on iTunes, they have some HBO shows like Rome and The Wire, but not the mini-series like The Pacific or John Adams. I don't see any promos for it on there, but I think this is a tv show rather than a mini series so I might be in luck.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheMadgician on April 15, 2011, 08:57:37 PM: Hopefully. Also of interest: Pretty sure there's a (fairly accurate) Game of Thrones comic. And I think there's a Song of Ice and Fire pen and paper game.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 15, 2011, 09:22:45 PM: Quote from: blackngold29 on April 15, 2011, 08:18:43 PM
Will this be available online somewhere?

What isn't?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: blackngold29 on April 15, 2011, 09:24:06 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 15, 2011, 09:22:45 PM
Quote from: blackngold29 on April 15, 2011, 08:18:43 PM
Will this be available online somewhere?

What isn't?
Legally, I meant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 15, 2011, 09:37:38 PM: Unless one of the international channels airing it puts it online, which I think is unlikely, then I don't think so.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on April 16, 2011, 02:14:23 PM: Regarding the NYT review:

https://grrm.livejournal.com/210874.html

Quote
I usually make it a policy not to comment on reviews, especially negative reviewers. When you put your art out there in the marketplace on public view, some are going to like and some are going to hate it. Comes with the territory. And like Superchicken always said, I knew the job was dangerous when I took it.

Normally, I would not even comment on something as spectacularly wrong-headed and condescending as the review of the HBO series GAME OF THRONES recenltly published in the NEW YORK TIMES. There have been dozens and dozens of reviews of the show coming out all over the place, in newspaper and magazines, on television and radio, and of course on the web. Most, I am pleased to say, have been very good, but of course there are some bad ones as well. C'est la vie.

((Okay, I will confess, it does cheese me when I come across a reviewer who simply hates all fantasy. I had hoped that kind of literary snobbism was extinct, or nearly so. Maybe not.))

But the startling assertion in the TIMES review that women could not possibly like fantasy unless a lot of graphic sex was added to it (??) has prompted me to break my "no comment" rule. At least to extent of this post.

I see this morning that legions of female fantasy readers and self-proclaimed "geek girls" and "scifi chicks" have risen up all over the internet to say all the things that I'm too polite and too busy to say. And a lot more besides. I'd link to their blogs and posts here, but it would take hours. Google will lead you to them, if you're interested. It would seem that so many outraged emails and posts poured into the TIMES that they had to shut down the comments section for the review.

I am not going to get into it myself, except to say
(1) if I am writing "boy fiction," who are all those boys with breasts who keep turning up by the hundreds at my signings and readings?
and
(2) thank you, geek girls! I love you all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on April 17, 2011, 12:32:50 PM: Quote from: TheMadgician on April 15, 2011, 08:57:37 PM
Hopefully. Also of interest: Pretty sure there's a (fairly accurate) Game of Thrones comic. And I think there's a Song of Ice and Fire pen and paper game.
The comics are the Dunk and Egg shorts. Game of Thrones is only just starting, so who knows how accurate it is. Dynamite does a lot of this kind of stuff, and most of it is not very high quality. The art of most of their stuff clearly marks them a second rate publisher, plus their focus on outside IP's should squelch most enthusiasm. If the Dabel Brothers are in charge, there might be hope since many of their works of this kind are pretty good. However, since they are now under Dynamite their work just isn't as high quality as it used to be. Look at how they did Jordan's New Spring, pretty good if not outstanding, and now look at what they've done with Eye of the World under Dynamite, pretty lousy. In my opinion, being with Dynamite means the works will be rushed and suffer in quality.

There is a card game, which I assume you are referring to. There are also a very good board game with a number of expansions, although it is best with five or six people. I've played that game countless times, even played it at my bachelor party. :p
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 17, 2011, 12:58:35 PM: Just throwing this out there: "Winter is Coming" is third place in terms of what the coolest family words are. Baratheons come in second with "Ours is the Fury", and Greyjoys come in first with the insanely badass "We Do Not Sow."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 17, 2011, 11:04:41 PM: I just watched The Pilot episode. Very good, though I think it could've used a bit more exposition. I'm not sure what it would be like for someone who hasn't read the books, but I imagine that it would probably be, at the very least, pretty confusing. I think all the actors pretty much nailed their roles, though Robb and Jon did blur together a bit too much at times.

My biggest gripe? More direwolves. Those direwolf pups were so goddamn cute. I want one now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on April 17, 2011, 11:08:14 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 17, 2011, 12:58:35 PM
Just throwing this out there: "Winter is Coming" is third place in terms of what the coolest family words are. Baratheons come in second with "Ours is the Fury", and Greyjoys come in first with the insanely badass "We Do Not Sow."

"Hear Me Roar" is, of course, in dead last.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 17, 2011, 11:53:39 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on April 17, 2011, 11:08:14 PM
Quote from: GuineaPig on April 17, 2011, 12:58:35 PM
Just throwing this out there: "Winter is Coming" is third place in terms of what the coolest family words are. Baratheons come in second with "Ours is the Fury", and Greyjoys come in first with the insanely badass "We Do Not Sow."

"Hear Me Roar" is, of course, in dead last.

Nah. "Growing Strong" is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on April 18, 2011, 02:47:04 AM: OH GOD AMAZING

and I love that title sequence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGN6cSo9l4E
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheMadgician on April 18, 2011, 03:06:01 AM: Quote from: yorost on April 17, 2011, 12:32:50 PM
Quote from: TheMadgician on April 15, 2011, 08:57:37 PM
Hopefully. Also of interest: Pretty sure there's a (fairly accurate) Game of Thrones comic. And I think there's a Song of Ice and Fire pen and paper game.
The comics are the Dunk and Egg shorts. Game of Thrones is only just starting, so who knows how accurate it is. Dynamite does a lot of this kind of stuff, and most of it is not very high quality. The art of most of their stuff clearly marks them a second rate publisher, plus their focus on outside IP's should squelch most enthusiasm. If the Dabel Brothers are in charge, there might be hope since many of their works of this kind are pretty good. However, since they are now under Dynamite their work just isn't as high quality as it used to be. Look at how they did Jordan's New Spring, pretty good if not outstanding, and now look at what they've done with Eye of the World under Dynamite, pretty lousy. In my opinion, being with Dynamite means the works will be rushed and suffer in quality.

There is a card game, which I assume you are referring to. There are also a very good board game with a number of expansions, although it is best with five or six people. I've played that game countless times, even played it at my bachelor party. :p

I actually think I got confused with The Eye of the World. I mix them up a bit every now and then. Haven't really read either and my friends are kind of obsessed with both. And I'd have to say, the current run of Green Hornet (at least with Kevin Smith) is terrific, and that's on Dynamite. Can't say I've read much Dynamite beyond that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on April 18, 2011, 03:30:20 AM: where's that praise for that hour of brilliance guys

seriously
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 18, 2011, 04:44:55 AM: I watched, and was very impressed. And I don't think it was confusing; you just have to pay attention.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: XJDenton on April 18, 2011, 06:11:18 AM: It annoys me I have no legitimate way of watching this. Damn sky hogging all the good stuff.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on April 18, 2011, 06:16:25 AM: I read the first 3-4 books (don't remember) 5-6 years ago (maybe more, not sure) but from what I remember of the books they did a very good job with the pilot. The opening scene was just as I imagined it.
Still, giving the Stark role to Sean Bean looks like a waste of his talent. I'm not a very big fan of the books but I will keep an eye on this every now and then - when they cut the crap from the books out, it may become a decent show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on April 18, 2011, 08:46:28 AM: I've got a question about the timeline. I'm a little unsure of how it's supposed to work out. Some characters are aged up for obvious reasons, most notably Daenerys, who looks like she gets a 3 or 4 year bump. I can understand why HBO would run into legal problems depicting the rape of a 13 year old girl, but I'm just curious what the age bump does to the rest of the continuity. For backstory's sake, was she still born at the end of the Rebellion? Does that make the rebellion take place 16-17 years before the start of the series? Does this mean that essentially all the other characters, like Jaime who was 17 at the time, get a bump of a couple years too?

I think the easiest way to remedy the situation is just have Daenerys not born during the end of the Rebellion, but a couple years before. Simplest way to do it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on April 18, 2011, 08:56:39 AM: The easiest way is to just ignore their's an issue.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 18, 2011, 09:09:39 AM: Ok...so...is there no nudity in this at all, because to support the Times, my wife won't watch it if there isn't.....and comparing it to LOTR only turns her off even more.

the Tudors is "ok"...and through two episodes of Camelot...it's pretty weak.

And XJ, i get not downloading music and stuff...but really...it's TV. Just go get it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tick on April 18, 2011, 09:16:27 AM: Quote from: YtseBitsySpider on April 18, 2011, 09:09:39 AM
Ok...so...is there no nudity in this at all, because to support the Times, my wife won't watch it if there isn't.....and comparing it to LOTR only turns her off even more.

the Tudors is "ok"...and through two episodes of Camelot...it's pretty weak.

And XJ, i get not downloading music and stuff...but really...it's TV. Just go get it.
There was plenty of nudity in it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 18, 2011, 09:18:44 AM: *excellent*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 18, 2011, 09:25:13 AM: are there any members of Starks family that aren't in this?
holy nepotism batman!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Summers on April 18, 2011, 09:29:18 AM: It's on tonight in the UK but argh, I really don't know if I want to watch it because I have a tiny standard def TV. I've been watching all the sneak previews and everything on the net in HD and the visuals are stunning, it'd be a shame to waste them...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Lowdz on April 18, 2011, 11:42:37 AM: Counting the minutes til the pilot here i the UK. I've been impressed with the clips I've seen so far, and it's years since i read the first one so I've forgotten alot. Probably my favourite fantasy series, taking over from Tad Williams' Memory Sorrow and Thorn trilogy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Ryzee on April 18, 2011, 11:45:38 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 18, 2011, 08:46:28 AM
I've got a question about the timeline. I'm a little unsure of how it's supposed to work out. Some characters are aged up for obvious reasons, most notably Daenerys, who looks like she gets a 3 or 4 year bump. I can understand why HBO would run into legal problems depicting the rape of a 13 year old girl, but I'm just curious what the age bump does to the rest of the continuity. For backstory's sake, was she still born at the end of the Rebellion? Does that make the rebellion take place 16-17 years before the start of the series? Does this mean that essentially all the other characters, like Jaime who was 17 at the time, get a bump of a couple years too?

I think the easiest way to remedy the situation is just have Daenerys not born during the end of the Rebellion, but a couple years before. Simplest way to do it.

Seems to me that everybody has had their age bumped up a little bit (Bran is 10 instead of 8, John and Robb are like 17-18 instead of 14-15, even Ned and Catelyn look older than their ages in the books, which were early-mid 30s if I'm not mistaken). I have no problem with it, like you said it makes all the underage sex a little less creepy. I'm out of town without a strong internet connection or access to HBO, so I haven't gotten to watch the pilot yet :'(, but it's on my first things to do list for when I get home tomorrow. I've read all the books so I already know what happens, I just want to bask in the awesomeness of seeing all my beloved Westeros friends on screen! Can't wait!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faemir on April 18, 2011, 02:48:12 PM: i'm 10 minutes in, two things:

holy surround sound batman
sean bean is horrifically old DDDDDD:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 18, 2011, 02:50:08 PM: DVR'd and will watch this week. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faemir on April 18, 2011, 04:06:35 PM: Well that was awesome. I was surprised by the level of nudity and gore, they really are pushing the 18/R rating huh.

I hope it gets enough viewers to go on for a few seasons at least, sean bean is criminally underemployed in relation to his acting talent - his role as boromir was definitely the best of the nine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 19, 2011, 06:03:06 AM: not a bad show.
Wife and I watched having never read a book...and having never heard a single thing other than this forum and one newspaper review.

The 1st ep wasn't a home run.....but it wasn't bad either.
We'll give it a couple more and see if it gets going.

7/10
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Post by: XJDenton on April 19, 2011, 06:12:35 AM: It does take a while to get going properly. At least in the book.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 19, 2011, 12:44:32 PM: Renewed for a second season. Booyah. No idea how they're going to do the Battle of the Blackwater, though.
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Post by: soundgarden on April 19, 2011, 01:04:55 PM: FUCKIN GREAT!

Oh man, what a fantastic adaptation. Opening sequence was really nice.

Thank you HBO! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 19, 2011, 01:12:47 PM: My favourite characters, besides Jaime and Tyrion, are Littlefinger, Tywin, and Renly. Really excited to see them. They did a damn good job for casting everyone else.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on April 19, 2011, 01:48:31 PM: I am going to take a wild guess that the little boy did not die. (that's not a spoiler btw)

Wouldn't make much sense if he did.
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Post by: soundgarden on April 19, 2011, 03:41:38 PM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on April 19, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
I am going to take a wild guess that the little boy did not die. (that's not a spoiler btw)

Wouldn't make much sense if he did.

well; I would say in the case for Bran its pretty obvious he didn't.

However, I would highly recommend against using the same judgement moving forward; you will have some very interesting and unexpected surprises :hat
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Post by: soundgarden on April 19, 2011, 03:43:08 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 19, 2011, 01:12:47 PM
My favourite characters, besides Jaime and Tyrion, are Littlefinger, Tywin, and Renly. Really excited to see them. They did a damn good job for casting everyone else.

Tywin? really? How so?

Jamie, Tyrion, Jon and yes... our noble lord Eddard are my favorites. I respect his ideals, however naive. And his love and devotion for his wife speaks greatly to me.

EDIT...Guinea, man we should have a NON-SPOILER SoIF thread, and a SPOILER SoiF thread for those who read the books. I want to expand on some stuff but I dont want to ruin it for others lol.
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Post by: abydos on April 19, 2011, 04:28:10 PM: Or just some spoiler tags.
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 20, 2011, 05:59:28 AM: Very god. I just watched it last night. For us Americans it's funny seeing Mark Addy as the king. I used to seeing him in Still Standing and The Full Monty.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 20, 2011, 09:07:07 AM: Casting wishes for season 2:

Dominic West as Davos
Christopher Eccleston as Stannis
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 20, 2011, 07:05:19 PM: Yup, Season 2 confirmed!

Melisandre, Davos, Stannis, Jaqen, the Boltons and Asha are some of my favorite characters, I can't wait to see them :hat

And THE GOAT! I wonder if he'll come off ath more creepy or hilariouth... thith will be awethome.
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Post by: faemir on April 21, 2011, 06:22:20 AM: The NYT review was hilariously bad, as was her "response"
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 21, 2011, 03:20:55 PM: People are still tearing her apart :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2011, 04:33:34 PM: Episode 2 tonight!
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 24, 2011, 04:42:23 PM: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:

Let's see the Hound in action...
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 24, 2011, 05:03:33 PM: And Renly! And Barristan Selmy!
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Post by: Kosmo on April 24, 2011, 05:17:18 PM: If you have iTunes there's an interview of the guy playing Hodor from a podcast called The YogPod. (Warning: it isn't all that serious..at all)
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Post by: Scrub206 on April 24, 2011, 07:35:54 PM: i dont have HBO :( so i either have to wait for it to come online or my girlfriend always records them. she was hardcore into the books so she loves it...

.. also (i dont konw char names here) but dont you think Russell Allen wouldve been the perfect replacement for the king of the Starks? i think it was :rollin
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2011, 08:04:03 PM: That was some crazy shit.
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 24, 2011, 08:07:05 PM: Doesn't air for two hours here. Was it good?
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Post by: Super Dude on April 24, 2011, 08:39:24 PM: I've watched an episode and a half. It's a fucking awesome show....but it's blasphemous to claim it's better than LotR.

Although I'm guessing that starting with the second episode wasn't a good idea.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 24, 2011, 08:45:21 PM: I don't think it's blasphemous. The books are imo markedly superior to the LotR novels.

Whether or not the TV show will supersede the movies will be interesting.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2011, 05:07:06 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 24, 2011, 08:39:24 PM
I've watched an episode and a half. It's a fucking awesome show....but it's blasphemous to claim it's better than LotR.

Although I'm guessing that starting with the second episode wasn't a good idea.
It's not blasphemous to claim it, especially if you haven't actually read the books.

But how have you seen an episode and a half, and started with the second episode? There have only been two thus far.
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 25, 2011, 05:34:03 AM: That was even better than the first episode. Teared up at Nymeria and Lady, which is... very unlike me. The actors are all wonderful, I wasn't completely sold on the first episode (despite very much enjoying it) but I'm growing attached to these characters all over again.

Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage better get Emmy nominations. And I love Masie Williams too :lol

In a crowning moment of heartwarming, Sophie Turner (Sansa)'s family adopted the dog that played Lady (the direwolf that was killed at the end). :laugh:

Also, this recap is hilarious (https://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/game-of-thrones-second-episode/), in a good way :rollin :rollin
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Post by: abydos on April 25, 2011, 06:49:16 AM: Sansa is just as annoying as she was in the books and the actress that plays her portrays her character perfectly. She's either an amazing performer or she's just as annoying irl :D

Quote
It appears that men in Westeros are told no more about sex than Arya was told about swordfighting: "Stick them with the pointy end."
:rollin
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Post by: Super Dude on April 25, 2011, 07:32:41 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2011, 05:07:06 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on April 24, 2011, 08:39:24 PM
I've watched an episode and a half. It's a fucking awesome show....but it's blasphemous to claim it's better than LotR.

Although I'm guessing that starting with the second episode wasn't a good idea.
It's not blasphemous to claim it, especially if you haven't actually read the books.

But how have you seen an episode and a half, and started with the second episode? There have only been two thus far.

I saw the full second episode last night with my brother, and found a sneak peak online showing the first 20 minutes of the first episode.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 25, 2011, 07:46:57 AM: Quote from: abydos on April 25, 2011, 06:49:16 AM
Sansa is just as annoying as she was in the books and the actress that plays her portrays her character perfectly. She's either an amazing performer or she's just as annoying irl :D

Quote
It appears that men in Westeros are told no more about sex than Arya was told about swordfighting: "Stick them with the pointy end."
:rollin

Same with Joffrey.

And, :rollin
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Post by: faemir on April 25, 2011, 05:32:01 PM: That was even better than the first episode.

\o/
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Post by: Super Dude on April 25, 2011, 05:32:47 PM: I really hope someone will start putting these online, otherwise I won't be able to catch up when I get back to college.
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Post by: Summers on April 25, 2011, 06:02:02 PM: Wasn't impressed with the first episode (read a couple of the books), thought it was really thin, but have to say the second episode was much better. Can't wait for next week!
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Post by: kala1928 on April 26, 2011, 04:47:55 AM: Yeah first episode was really boring for an usual 'first episode' though obv the writers cant really alter the original story. Lots (I mean LOTS) of boobs and f*cking though! Hope it picks up later on, I should pick up the books as well.
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Post by: masterthes on April 26, 2011, 03:58:23 PM: So, I just checked IMDB and

Sean Bean's only listed for three episodes, so that means Robert's death and Eddard's execution will happen next episode. That's rather quick to deal with that, don't you think?
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Post by: yorost on April 26, 2011, 04:31:51 PM: Quick? That would be utterly changing the story. Why are you just willing to trust imdb on that?
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Post by: Summers on April 26, 2011, 04:41:41 PM: Well there are ten episodes, I can't imagine them doing that.... that would suck though.

By the way, major major spoilers in that last one - don't risk it if you haven't read the book!
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 26, 2011, 04:43:51 PM: IMDB isn't accurate. It also lists Peter Dinklage (Tyrion) as three episodes, and Charles Dance (Tywin) as eight episodes, both of which we know aren't happening. Don't take it too seriously.
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Post by: Ryzee on April 26, 2011, 05:49:55 PM: Ya the wikipedia page (not that that is any more reliable) for the show shows the title of Episode 9 as "Baelor." Anyone familiar with the books should feel confident that the event masterthes refers to will happen in that episode, the second to last of the season, which sounds right on. Loving the show so far! As a big fan of the books it's hard not to try to find things to nitpick about, but they're making it tough!
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 26, 2011, 06:02:03 PM: People should probably keep open discussion of future spoilers out of this thread. At the very least, use small font at all times.
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Post by: Genowyn on April 27, 2011, 08:21:21 AM: (https://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-DwTVMBd/0/XL/i-DwTVMBd-L.jpg)
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 27, 2011, 08:22:49 AM: :rollin :rollin
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Post by: yorost on April 27, 2011, 08:25:41 AM: What a fool, seasons 5-7 aren't spoiled. :) Part of me wonders if Martin will end up writing the script for season 7, assuming it remains on air, before he writes the book. That would be an odd turn of events.
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Post by: XJDenton on April 27, 2011, 03:55:02 PM: Watched 2 epsiodes so far. Excellent so far, but I actually find it uncomfortable to watch knowing what things are about to fall upon the characters.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 27, 2011, 04:21:22 PM: People should really not throw around details like that without using small font. This is the TV thread, not the books thread. Give the people who haven't read the books a chance to not come across any spoilers, no matter how vague.
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Post by: XJDenton on April 27, 2011, 04:25:23 PM: I apologise, I wouldn't have classed anything I said as a spoiler personally, though I shall be more careful from now on.

On the subjects of the books though: GRRM just finished Dance with Dragons. https://www.towerofthehand.com/blog/2011/04/27-dance-with-dragons-is-done/index.html
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 27, 2011, 07:25:18 PM: Episode 2 was excellent. The series is really clipping along at a nice, fast past. I'm pretty surprised at how far they've gotten in just two episodes. The kid that plays Joff is too good at being a stuck-up douchebag. Actually, so far, I've pretty much liked every casting choice, except for Ilyn Payne. He looked nothing like what I'd imagined him as.

One little nitpick I had: we only see Ghost in like one, brief shot. Maybe they're waiting for the next episode before giving a proper introduction? Also they cut out Bran's dream sequence. I'm not surprised, it's pretty odd and I'm not sure anyone could do it 'justice' without resorting to heavy, mind-altering drugs, but considering it's importance to Bran's story, I wonder how they'll fit all of it back in?

Also, I felt so bad for Nymeria and Lady. Poor, giant, man-eating direwolf pups. :(
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 27, 2011, 07:47:59 PM: Regarding Bran's dream, I imagine they'll either

1) Open the third episode with it
2) Keep it cut completely - kind of sucks, it was one of my favorite chapters, but it'd be cheesy on TV, and just have Bran explain it vividly through words
3) Maybe save it for Season 2 when the Reeds show up and they have a potentially bigger budget, Bran doesn't have much else to do until Theon comes knocking anyway

I can't see them cutting it completely, Three Eyed Crow seems too important to Bran's story...
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Post by: soundgarden on April 28, 2011, 03:36:31 PM: 2nd episode was better. Peter Dinklage is fucking OWNING Tyrion. Jaime, Arya, Jon, Cersei, and Ed are being played perfectly.

Besides Dinklage, the guy they chose for Sandor Clegane is perfect! He truly looks horrifying!

Quote from: GuineaPig on April 27, 2011, 04:21:22 PM
People should really not throw around details like that without using small font. This is the TV thread, not the books thread. Give the people who haven't read the books a chance to not come across any spoilers, no matter how vague.

+1 Spoilers are pretty big deals with this story.
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 28, 2011, 07:08:20 PM: (https://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/116/1160731/tumblr_lk6sayF35K1qauecro1_250_1303738859.gif)
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Post by: Super Dude on April 28, 2011, 09:14:10 PM: Quote from: The Degenerate on April 28, 2011, 07:08:20 PM
(https://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/116/1160731/tumblr_lk6sayF35K1qauecro1_250_1303738859.gif)

Love. That kid is a bitch.
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Post by: kala1928 on April 29, 2011, 04:10:43 AM: Thoughts on episode 2:

More boobs.

More f***ing.

Interested in seeing more.
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Post by: Summers on April 29, 2011, 05:27:53 AM: I'm impressed with Maisie Williams as Arya. I usually get really irritated with kid actors but she is really pulling it off well. She's going to be a great actress I think.
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 29, 2011, 09:34:26 AM: I think all the child actors are great. The only one that gets on my nerves is Sansa... and she's supposed to :lol
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Post by: XJDenton on April 29, 2011, 10:03:13 AM: Yeah. One thing you can say is that there isnt a weak actor in the bunch.
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Post by: skydivingninja on April 29, 2011, 10:12:31 AM: Any way to legally watch this online? Don't have HBO and I like what I've read of ASOIAF.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 29, 2011, 11:05:19 AM: Well I'm personally hoping Hulu picks it up eventually.
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Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 29, 2011, 11:51:16 AM: Quote from: skydivingninja on April 29, 2011, 10:12:31 AM
Any way to legally watch this online? Don't have HBO and I like what I've read of ASOIAF.

Episode 2.

Legal tv?
Wuzzat!

torrented tv ftw.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 29, 2011, 11:59:24 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 29, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
Well I'm personally hoping Hulu picks it up eventually.

I don't know if any premium cable channels stream through Hulu.
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Post by: faemir on April 29, 2011, 01:11:29 PM: Hulu will never carry it. You can see it online on HBO Go, what ever that is.

Just "acquire" it, then buy the dvd/bluray boxset to finance futher seasons - it's the norm with premium cable series :S
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Post by: The Degenerate on April 29, 2011, 01:49:57 PM: Yes buy the goddamn DVDs when they're out that's one of the things HBO looks at when considering how long they'll support a series
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Post by: XJDenton on April 29, 2011, 02:04:12 PM: This will be a Blu-ray purchase for me.
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 01, 2011, 12:56:10 PM: Some Petyr Baelish up in this bitch tonight :caffeine:
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Post by: Sigz on May 01, 2011, 04:02:43 PM: I still need to watch this.
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Post by: kartmaze2 on May 01, 2011, 04:45:11 PM: Awesome series so far! Pumped to see ep. 3! I hope someone beheads that sleezy prince kid... :yeahright
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 02, 2011, 03:18:15 AM: God I love this show.
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Post by: Metabog on May 02, 2011, 05:01:49 AM: I like it. I don't mind the sex at all, and I love the gratuitous violence but I think they could skip some of the walking around naked scenes and sex scenes to add more story content, or at least create some sort of emotional involvement, because so far I don't think I really sympathize with any character, and the ones I kind of do sympathy with (Ned's wife, the bastard son, etc) I mostly sympathize out of pity, and judging from the general tone of the show I doubt there's anything good going their way.

I've never read the books by the way, but I'm a huge fantasy fan and have been waiting for a show like this for a long time. What I'm really waiting for is a bit of irony/dark humor just so I don't feel like killing myself or going to sulk in a corner after every episode. I've always liked high fantasy more than dark fantasy generally, I'm more in the Forgotten Realms kind of group, while GoT reminds me more of something like Dragon Age but even darker.

Overall pretty good so far, just getting ready to get some food and watch the new one.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 02, 2011, 06:18:36 AM: I've decided trying to compare this and LotR is an apples and oranges deal. GoT is from the looks of it, as Metabog said, a dark fantasy and LotR a high fantasy. But there's more to it than that: I feel like one is meant to take GoT as sort of "the historical account of this land," where as LotR may even be taken as "the mythologized history" which is meant to be embellished with a glorified heroic cast. LotR is the epic of Beowulf; GoT is the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles (and of course each of these I've heard were based on both of those real-world works respectively).
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Post by: yorost on May 02, 2011, 08:00:49 AM: A Song of Ice and Fire is not only undoubtedly high fantasy but falls into the same common subclassifications as Lord of the Rings. That is, they're both epic sagas and take place in worlds separate from ours(possibly ambiguous as histories or futures). If you're going to call them apples to oranges you really can't compare many books/series at all.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 02, 2011, 08:05:08 AM: That's why I said GoT though; I've never read the books. I was merely comparing the series as it stands so far to the LotR movies. Although LotR itself is modeled in some sense after Beowulf and the Bible, so it is meant to have that sort of feel of "this is not the historical account, but the mythologized history passed down and now recorded."
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Post by: chknptpie on May 02, 2011, 08:05:29 AM: Just watched the two episodes yesterday, definitely looking forward to more.
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Post by: Summers on May 03, 2011, 07:26:37 AM: (https://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8741/1304028660914.jpg)
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Post by: faemir on May 03, 2011, 12:02:19 PM: Quote from: yorost on May 02, 2011, 08:00:49 AM
A Song of Ice and Fire is not only undoubtedly high fantasy but falls into the same common subclassifications as Lord of the Rings. That is, they're both epic sagas and take place in worlds separate from ours(possibly ambiguous as histories or futures). If you're going to call them apples to oranges you really can't compare many books/series at all.

The differece is that LotR is written in an old english style, whilst Fire and Ice most certainly is not.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 03, 2011, 12:30:51 PM: Quote from: Summers on May 03, 2011, 07:26:37 AM
*funny pic*

For some reason this reminds me of that Steve Jobs-Bill Gates meme. :lol
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Post by: yorost on May 03, 2011, 12:41:05 PM: Quote from: faemir on May 03, 2011, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: yorost on May 02, 2011, 08:00:49 AM
A Song of Ice and Fire is not only undoubtedly high fantasy but falls into the same common subclassifications as Lord of the Rings. That is, they're both epic sagas and take place in worlds separate from ours(possibly ambiguous as histories or futures). If you're going to call them apples to oranges you really can't compare many books/series at all.

The differece is that LotR is written in an old english style, whilst Fire and Ice most certainly is not.
...so?
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Post by: faemir on May 03, 2011, 01:10:36 PM: Quote from: yorost on May 03, 2011, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: faemir on May 03, 2011, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: yorost on May 02, 2011, 08:00:49 AM
A Song of Ice and Fire is not only undoubtedly high fantasy but falls into the same common subclassifications as Lord of the Rings. That is, they're both epic sagas and take place in worlds separate from ours(possibly ambiguous as histories or futures). If you're going to call them apples to oranges you really can't compare many books/series at all.

The differece is that LotR is written in an old english style, whilst Fire and Ice most certainly is not.
...so?

There is a distinct difference in their categorisation - LotR is pretty alone by itself - I don't know any other books that are written as 'old epics', whilst Fire and Ice can be lumped in a category with hundreds of other books.

Whilst both are fantasy, within the fantasy genre, they are utterly distinct, just like Opeth and Metallica are.
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Post by: abydos on May 03, 2011, 01:31:25 PM: Loved the third episode. Arya is awesome, perfectly fits and portrays her character. Still can't believe how great the casting for the series is - how did they manage to find all those characters who look and act so well, just like in the books?

The more I look at Ned the sadder I get. SB is so awesome as Stark, I really wish he wouldn't die in the stupidest way possible.

As for genre classification I always took Fire and Ice to be more of a medieval fiction novel with very little fantasy in it. If such a book was written but it didn't portray things happening in a medieval world but in current times it would probably be put with thriller books with some supernatural shit going on.
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Post by: yorost on May 03, 2011, 01:34:50 PM: Quote from: faemir on May 03, 2011, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: yorost on May 03, 2011, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: faemir on May 03, 2011, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: yorost on May 02, 2011, 08:00:49 AM
A Song of Ice and Fire is not only undoubtedly high fantasy but falls into the same common subclassifications as Lord of the Rings. That is, they're both epic sagas and take place in worlds separate from ours(possibly ambiguous as histories or futures). If you're going to call them apples to oranges you really can't compare many books/series at all.

The differece is that LotR is written in an old english style, whilst Fire and Ice most certainly is not.
...so?

There is a distinct difference in their categorisation - LotR is pretty alone by itself - I don't know any other books that are written as 'old epics', whilst Fire and Ice can be lumped in a category with hundreds of other books.

Whilst both are fantasy, within the fantasy genre, they are utterly distinct, just like Opeth and Metallica are.
You can categorize almost any series apart from one another if you want. Of course they are different in many major aspects, but they still fall into the same most commonly used genres and even subgenres.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 04, 2011, 09:01:59 AM: I mean I remember watching this doc about the writing of LotR and Tolkien was apparently compelled to write a mythology due to Britain's lack of surviving legends from before the Norman Invasion (the Normans burned it all...'cept Beowulf). He meant for it to be Britain's lost legend, based on a wealth of early pre-England Germanic and Saxon sources.

I don't think most fantasy writers in the modern era can make the same claim, as most of them are probably inspired by cinema and even by LotR itself. From what I can tell from the GoT show, it's a different beast entirely, mostly because it's try to tell a different kind of story in a different kind of way. Like I said, if LotR is Beowulf, GoT is the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles (granted for a fictional world seemingly based on pre-Norman England).

Fake edit: Plus as many have said, LotR relies heavily on fantasy elements and apparently GoT does not, or at least not as much.
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Post by: yorost on May 04, 2011, 09:36:56 AM: FYI, A Song of Ice and Fire draws from the War of Roses, loosely at least.

I never said Tolkien and Martin aren't different, of course they are. What they are not are wildly different works that you can't even compare. An art instruction book is wildly different than LoTR. Romance novels are extremely different than Tolkien. If you want to get closer than Martin to Tolkien you're starting to get into the realm of looking for Tolkien clones.

Tolkien did have the intention of it becoming a new mythology, but that doesn't change that it was in fact it is still what we consider high fantasy. If those exact books were released today nobody would even bat an eye at lumping it in with the rest of high fantasy without consideration of the author's intent. It is impressive and noteworthy, but it isn't odd for a series to have some special meaning beyond the story.

Quote from: Super Dude on May 04, 2011, 09:01:59 AM
Fake edit: Plus as many have said, LotR relies heavily on fantasy elements and apparently GoT does not, or at least not as much.

...and also as many have pointed out A Song of Ice and Fire slowly unveils the fantasy elements of the series. Some of it is present immediately without being obvious.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 04, 2011, 11:22:35 AM: Edit: Nvm, didn't see the P.S.
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 04, 2011, 08:59:33 PM: Quote from: yorost on May 04, 2011, 09:36:56 AM
FYI, A Song of Ice and Fire draws from the War of Roses, loosely at least.

GRRM said the Wars of the Roses and the Hundred Years' War were his main influences, but that he moved away from that after the first book. I believe.
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Post by: yorost on May 05, 2011, 08:16:27 AM: I'm not sure any of his characters were ever 1-1 matches to historical figures, anyways. Maybe Eddard or Robert were? It's not like even if you knew the histories extremely well the story would become clear. I believe he has also stated this was on purpose, to create the characters in a way that allows the reader to guess what will happen based on what they already know and then be surprised when wrong or when it was right but in an unexpected way.

A tactic like that seems doomed to have to fall away from connections to histories. The more twists he puts in to contradict the history the less connection he has to it. The influences on characters and houses will always be there, though. ...saving any bizarro plot decisions. :lol
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 09, 2011, 11:37:23 AM: Best episode yet imo, albeit exposition-y as fuck.
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Post by: Lowdz on May 09, 2011, 12:44:54 PM: So far they are doing the books proud. And series two getting the green light is great news. Looking forward to seeing Melisandre as I have a thing for "evil" women in red...think Sigourney Weaver when she gets possessed in Ghostbusters 2...
Can't wait for the battle of the Blackwater if series three gets a go.
looking forward to the Blu Rays as they will have loads of extras.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2011, 01:38:18 PM: There is a lot of background material for the stories on HBO.com which I found very helpful (since I haven't read the novels).

Yes, episode 4 was amazing. The imp appears to be in some trouble, which is a shame since I like him a lot thus far. And I was glad to see the horse lord's new wife bitch-slap her brother. What a piece of crap he is.
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Post by: glaurung on May 09, 2011, 08:45:58 PM: Just started watching the show. It's really great so far! I'm looking forward to more and I'm even thinking about reading the books now.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 09, 2011, 08:47:07 PM: There's an actor named Iain. :biggrin:
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Post by: glaurung on May 09, 2011, 08:51:55 PM: The whole series is ruined for me now, good job.
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Post by: masterthes on May 09, 2011, 08:56:01 PM: I liked some of the "added" stuff in the series, like that monolouge that the swordmaster gives Jon and Sam and that stuff between Jaime and Jhory
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Post by: Super Dude on May 09, 2011, 08:58:28 PM: Quote from: glaurung on May 09, 2011, 08:51:55 PM
The whole series is ruined for me now, good job.

:lol

Edit: Watching the fourth episode now. When Lord Stark is inquiring into Lord Arryn's death, he makes mention of someone being a eunuch. I didn't catch the name, who was it? I would rewind but the video player is taking me back to the very beginning every time I try.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 10, 2011, 05:24:58 AM: Varys, the master of spies. He's fat and bald and creepy.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 10, 2011, 06:26:51 AM: I wish the series would show more of Daenerys and the Dathraki. I think I find their story most fascinating of all.
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Post by: Genowyn on May 10, 2011, 06:35:09 AM: Dany's stuff is interesting but I'm a fan of Tyrion myself. I also like Jaime after all the character development happens :lol
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Post by: Super Dude on May 10, 2011, 06:38:31 AM: Yeah Tyrion is great too. I love those Dathraki though, so much more interesting than those stuffy faux Brits of Westeros.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on May 10, 2011, 01:57:25 PM: Question.

Thinking of buying an Amazon Kindle to do some more reading, and i'll be interested in picking up A Song of Ice and Fire.

I'm a big fan of fantasy and have read roughly 50 percent of LOTR (stopped for some reason) and i'm really enjoying this TV show.

The only problem is, I found that the LOTR novel was ruined due to watching the movies first. I couldn't quite picture the story as Tolkein intended, due to my memories of Elijah Wood and Vitto Mortensen playing the main characters. In fact, all of the stars from the films.

I have a feeling the same could be said watching A Game of Thrones before/during/after reading the novel. Sometimes I think creating pictures out of books really can do serious damage to the authors work. I have no doubt AGOT is loyal to the books, but will it ruin the experience?
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Post by: XJDenton on May 10, 2011, 03:17:02 PM: It'll destroy the shock value of the events later in the series.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 10, 2011, 03:28:07 PM: Ratings are going up week by week. Huzzah!
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Post by: Ryzee on May 10, 2011, 05:14:18 PM: I don't think reading the books would hinder your enjoyment of the tv series, aside from what XJ said about spoiling all of the plot twists to come. Books are always the best form of storytelling in my opinion, and while this tv series is fantastic, the books are way better of course- so read them! :lol My biggest issue with the LOTR movies v. the books was how drastically some characters differed in their appearance and portrayal. I have not had that problem with GOT, the casting has been ridiculously perfect and pretty much every character appears and behaves almost exactly as I pictured them from the books. Jamie & Joffrey's hair should be longer, Ned's should be a bit darker, Robert should be a bit taller and Tyrion could use a goatee or something. That's about it!
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Post by: Summers on May 10, 2011, 05:17:57 PM: I always imagined Hodor to be a gigantic bald guy. I got a shock in the last episode! I also pronounced his name wrong :loser:
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Post by: Ryzee on May 10, 2011, 05:21:59 PM: :lol I always pictured Hodor as that guy from Coach who played Tom Cullen in the old The Stand miniseries (and Marshall's dad on How I Met Your Mother).
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 11, 2011, 01:35:06 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/DF7FR.gif)

(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkyb617YG71qesygmo1_500.gif)
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Post by: Genowyn on May 11, 2011, 09:01:02 AM: Quote from: The Degenerate on May 11, 2011, 01:35:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/DF7FR.gif)

Littlefinger: I'm sexin' you later.
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Post by: Perpetual Change on May 14, 2011, 07:49:07 AM: Just started the first book. My god it is awesome.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 14, 2011, 11:34:16 AM: Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 14, 2011, 07:49:07 AM
Just started the first book. My god it is awesome.

:tup

Book-related discussion/spoilers should go in this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4956.0

We don't want to spoil anything for the watchers.
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Post by: glaurung on May 14, 2011, 11:43:04 AM: I just started reading the book too. I've only finished the prologue so far but it looks like it's going to be great!
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Post by: The King in Crimson on May 14, 2011, 11:45:10 AM: It only gets better!
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Post by: chknptpie on May 14, 2011, 02:11:39 PM: I'm still kinda confused what happened prior to the shows start, the background story with the crazy king or something? I get that he was the blonde dudes dad and that the blonde dude wants his throne back, and that the "handsome" prince had a hand in it... but thats about all I get haha
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Post by: glaurung on May 14, 2011, 02:14:47 PM: This is a really nice resource that explains a lot of the back story and family ties.

Edit: It helps if I post the link

https://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/#!/guide/houses/greyjoy/theon-greyjoy/
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Post by: chknptpie on May 14, 2011, 02:20:29 PM: It feels weird to have to do research to understand a tv show.... lol
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 14, 2011, 02:29:57 PM: Here's a basic summary of the backstory you're looking for, Chknptpie. Spoilers (some of this stuff hasn't been detailed explicitly yet in the TV series, yet) but nothing major. Safe for non-book readers who want to know more of the backstory:

The Targaryen family ruled the Seven Kingdoms for about 300 years. The last king was Aerys II, called the "Mad King" because of occasional bouts of madness. His eldest son, Rhaegar, absconds with Lyanna Stark, Eddard's older sister and Robert Baratheon's betrothed.

At this point, Brandon Stark, Eddard's oldest brother and betrothed to Catelyn Tully, goes to King's Landing to confront Rhaegar. Aerys has him and Eddard's father, Rickard, killed, and demands that Jon Arryn turn over his wards Eddard and Robert. Arryn refuses; he and Robert call his banners. Eddard marries Catelyn in his brother's place, and musters theirs and his forces.

A bunch of battles are fought between the rebels, led by Robert, and the various Royalist forces that notably don't include those of Tywin Lannister, then the Hand of the King. At the Battle of the Trident, Robert kills Rhaegar and the Royalist armies more or less dissolve. Tywin takes King's Landing through deceit and Jaime kills Aerys.

The Queen, with Viserys, had been sent to Dragonstone. There, she gives birth to Daenerys and dies. Before the island is captured, Viserys and Daenerys escape across the Narrow Sea and begin their exile. Robert marries Cersei Lannister after Lyanna dies, and is crowned King. So basically Viserys feels that he is the rightful King, and that Robert has usurped him and driven him from his home.
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Post by: chknptpie on May 14, 2011, 02:34:26 PM: We need some flashbacks in this show haha thanks for the summary!
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Post by: NecessaryPain on May 14, 2011, 02:49:35 PM: Just ordered a Kindle, looking forward to getting these books and spoiling the TV show for myself :lol
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 14, 2011, 04:47:00 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 14, 2011, 02:29:57 PM
A bunch of battles are fought between the rebels, led by Robert, and the various Royalist forces that notably don't include those of Tywin Lannister, then the Hand of the King.

He was only the Hand in the show, right? I haven't read the books in a while but I thought that Rossart was the Hand of the King by the end of the rebellion.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 14, 2011, 04:53:01 PM: Quote from: The Degenerate on May 14, 2011, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: GuineaPig on May 14, 2011, 02:29:57 PM
A bunch of battles are fought between the rebels, led by Robert, and the various Royalist forces that notably don't include those of Tywin Lannister, then the Hand of the King.

He was only the Hand in the show, right? I haven't read the books in a while but I thought that Rossart was the Hand of the King by the end of the rebellion.

I think Aerys went through 4 between Tywin and his death.
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Post by: Genowyn on May 14, 2011, 06:28:44 PM: Wasn't Tywin the one who had them open the doors to the Red Keep? That seems to me like Tywin would have been the Hand at the end of the rebellion.
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 14, 2011, 06:44:44 PM: Nah, Rossart was the Hand, a pyromancer of the Alchemist's Guild. Jaime killed him. Tywin showed up at the gates offering to help, Aerys let him in, Tywin promptly sacked the city and had Gregor and Amory kill the royal family, etc. etc.
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Post by: Genowyn on May 14, 2011, 10:12:20 PM: Right. I'm reading Clash right now but I haven't read AGoT in a few months.
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Post by: Sigz on May 15, 2011, 12:26:33 PM: Finally got around to watching this.

Wow.
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:00:22 PM: LOL LORAS AND RENLY
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Post by: Genowyn on May 15, 2011, 09:18:56 PM: Quote from: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:00:22 PM
LOL LORAS AND RENLY
So much for subtlety. And is it just me or did they turn Renly into a total pansy for some reason? I liked Renly before :(
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:23:23 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on May 15, 2011, 09:18:56 PM
Quote from: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:00:22 PM
LOL LORAS AND RENLY
So much for subtlety. And is it just me or did they turn Renly into a total pansy for some reason? I liked Renly before :(
Yeah, I thought he was supposed to be like a young Robert, more badass. I kind of like the show Renly, but (future book spoilers, not just show)I can't imagine this this Renly getting so much support for being king.

But holy shit that was a good episode. Jory... :'( :'(
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Post by: Genowyn on May 15, 2011, 09:26:35 PM: Quote from: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on May 15, 2011, 09:18:56 PM
Quote from: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:00:22 PM
LOL LORAS AND RENLY
So much for subtlety. And is it just me or did they turn Renly into a total pansy for some reason? I liked Renly before :(
Yeah, I thought he was supposed to be like a young Robert, more badass. I kind of like the show Renly, but (future book spoilers, not just show)I can't imagine this this Renly getting so much support for being king.

Right, and this nonsense about him not liking blood and tourneys or whatever...did they forget that the majority of his time during the second book is spent hosting tourneys? Stupid.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 15, 2011, 09:52:03 PM: Quote from: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:00:22 PM
LOL LORAS AND RENLY

There's an amusing number of people on Winter is Coming who never realized Loras and Renly were gay.
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Post by: Genowyn on May 15, 2011, 10:16:21 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 15, 2011, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:00:22 PM
LOL LORAS AND RENLY

There's an amusing number of people on Winter is Coming who never realized Loras and Renly were gay.

GRRM has confirmed it before... :facepalm:
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 10:38:16 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 15, 2011, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:00:22 PM
LOL LORAS AND RENLY

There's an amusing number of people on Winter is Coming who never realized Loras and Renly were gay.

Oh, I totally knew it, I just didn't expect them to show it this early.
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Post by: yorost on May 16, 2011, 07:36:12 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 15, 2011, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: The Degenerate on May 15, 2011, 09:00:22 PM
LOL LORAS AND RENLY

There's an amusing number of people on Winter is Coming who never realized Loras and Renly were gay.
Oh Jesus, I can only imagine what those people were reading. Subtlety must not be their thing. ...not to be too rude, I do know there are a lot of details and it could be easily forgotten. I certainly have probably missed or forgotten many things.

Actually, the more I read criticisms and discussion on books across the internet the more I'm convinced a very sizable portion of people just skim pages to get the major plot only and ignore the what the real work is. Discussions where one side of some argument seems to have only seen the surface of a story, yet are fiercely opinionated despite their complete lack of understanding, are more the norm than quality conversations.
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Post by: YtseBitsySpider on May 16, 2011, 07:56:04 AM: Ok.
Ep. 3, and 4 were total dialogue snooze fests.
Even our buddy who's read all the books is pretty much done with this show.

Wife and I will give it one more ep.
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Post by: Genowyn on May 16, 2011, 07:59:50 AM: The first book was almost entirely exposition and setup, and the show has been much the same. Not sure what your friend who had read the books was expecting.
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Post by: YtseBitsySpider on May 16, 2011, 08:07:22 AM: I believe he was expecting a better trasnsition to television.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on May 16, 2011, 08:29:24 AM: Quote from: YtseBitsySpider on May 16, 2011, 08:07:22 AM
I believe he was expecting a better trasnsition to television.

Strange. I've not read GoT but the 5 episodes have been brilliant so far. In fact each episode has surpassed the last and that's a sign of a great TV show.

Ep 5 was fantastic. I think it's shaping up to be one of HBO's best, which is no easy task given their past and present levels of consistancy.

So if the TV show doesn't do the books justice, then I must be in for one hell of a treat.

Perhaps shows like 24, where there's lots of action and violence would be best suited for your friend. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. HBO series isnt' for everyone. I think you'd cringe at watching something like Deadwood. Which is, in my opinion, too good for the modern audience.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 16, 2011, 09:34:41 AM: Deadwood's got plenty of pulp appeal, even if the language is an obstruction. It's no Mad Men - or even further in that direction - In Treatment.
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Post by: inoku on May 16, 2011, 09:42:11 AM: i've been following this series when i read this thread.
and i gotta say, this is one of the best series right now.
so thanks to the OP :tup
episode 5 was great. the best so far
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Post by: YtseBitsySpider on May 16, 2011, 09:53:14 AM: Perhaps it's unfair, that I was looking for a replacement for Spartacus.

And sadly that's not what this show was every meant to be.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on May 16, 2011, 10:22:09 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 16, 2011, 09:34:41 AM
Deadwood's got plenty of pulp appeal, even if the language is an obstruction. It's no Mad Men - or even further in that direction - In Treatment.

You think so?

To me, Deadwood is one of them shows that requires a serious amount of attention to fully comprehend. Of course, the overarching storyline is always there, but the real story lies deep in the dialogue, IMO. And the dialogue makes the show.

I haven't seen those other two. But Deadwood was a real tongue-twister of a show to watch. And a joy at the same time.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on May 16, 2011, 10:23:33 AM: Quote from: YtseBitsySpider on May 16, 2011, 09:53:14 AM
Perhaps it's unfair, that I was looking for a replacement for Spartacus.

And sadly that's not what this show was every meant to be.

I am a fan of Spartacus as well. Looking forward to the 2nd Season. It's not as good as HBO's Rome, but the writing does improve as the show progresses.
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Post by: chknptpie on May 16, 2011, 11:27:15 AM: Can't wait for more Spartacus!
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 16, 2011, 11:54:36 AM: Varys was fucking awesome this week.

And I love Bronn already.
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Post by: soundgarden on May 16, 2011, 12:37:51 PM: Holy FUCK :omg:

The Varys and Littlefinger word-duel to the death was awesome!

MAJOR SPOILER BELOW!! DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVENT READ THE BOOKS!!!

When my girlfriend saw NEd get impaled, she was like "oh god if he dies I will cry so much".... I had to control myself from smiling
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Post by: faemir on May 16, 2011, 01:00:21 PM: Quote from: YtseBitsySpider on May 16, 2011, 07:56:04 AM
Ok.
Ep. 3, and 4 were total dialogue snooze fests.
Even our buddy who's read all the books is pretty much done with this show.

Wife and I will give it one more ep.

wat
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Post by: NecessaryPain on May 16, 2011, 03:23:22 PM: Kickass GoT intro with guitars: :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-ZmlwBWKM
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Post by: kartmaze2 on May 16, 2011, 04:30:39 PM: Man, what I love this series... Might be an all time favourite, and that's only after 5 ep's..
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Post by: inoku on May 16, 2011, 07:21:19 PM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on May 16, 2011, 03:23:22 PM
Kickass GoT intro with guitars: :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-ZmlwBWKM

holy shit!! that's awesome!! :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: emindead on May 16, 2011, 10:36:14 PM: Front male nudity and all I could think was: YOU CAN'T HAVE SEX IF YOUR DICK IS FLACCID. (https://www.fiveeightforums.com/images/smilies/emotcolbertkx3.gif)
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Post by: Summers on May 17, 2011, 03:44:28 AM: Quote from: emindead on May 16, 2011, 10:36:14 PM
Front male nudity and all I could think was: YOU CAN'T HAVE SEX IF YOUR DICK IS FLACCID. (https://www.fiveeightforums.com/images/smilies/emotcolbertkx3.gif)

Hah I thought that :lol

I also never picked up on Renly/Loras in the books. Or I did, but I forgot. :facepalm:
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Post by: ZirconBlue on May 17, 2011, 02:25:06 PM: Quote from: YtseBitsySpider on May 16, 2011, 09:53:14 AM
Perhaps it's unfair, that I was looking for a replacement for Spartacus.

And sadly that's not what this show was every meant to be.

I think it's better if you think of GoT not as Action, or even Fantasy, but as a Drama.
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Post by: Volk9 on May 19, 2011, 09:15:51 AM: So...I stayed up till 6am today watching every episode they've released so far...

:metal
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 21, 2011, 06:18:51 AM: Quote from: YtseBitsySpider on May 16, 2011, 07:56:04 AM
Ok.
Ep. 3, and 4 were total dialogue snooze fests.
Even our buddy who's read all the books is pretty much done with this show.

Wife and I will give it one more ep.
Neither my wife nor I have read any of the books, and we are completely hooked on this show. Not sure what you were expecting, but there is usually a lot of dialogue in HBO series.
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 22, 2011, 02:06:40 PM: New episode tonight! And for those with an online HBO account (it might be on Comcast/Xfinity as well), episode seven will be up immediately after six airs. Not sure why, the rumor is that it's something about ep. six not having a proper cliffhanger.
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Post by: Genowyn on May 22, 2011, 06:17:25 PM: Tonight's episode is titled "A Golden Crown".

I CAN'T WAIT CUZ I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN AND I'MA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 22, 2011, 06:25:27 PM: We get some Nymphadora Tonks up in this bitch too.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 22, 2011, 07:59:41 PM: SPOILER QUESTION

The Song of Ice & Fire wiki says Viserys appears in three books. Is he just mentioned for two books thereafter or have two novels already gone by?
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Post by: Genowyn on May 22, 2011, 08:03:02 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on May 22, 2011, 07:59:41 PM
SPOILER QUESTION

The Song of Ice & Fire wiki says Viserys appears in three books. Is he just mentioned for two books thereafter or have two novels already gone by?

Maybe as a flashback. This is still only the first book.
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 22, 2011, 08:17:59 PM: To answer Super Dude's question:

First season covers only the first book, and Viserys is most definitely 100% dead. He's just mentioned often in Dany's chapters, in her memories.

I loved Harry Lloyd though. :-X
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 23, 2011, 03:03:29 AM: holy SHIT that was a good episode
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Post by: inoku on May 23, 2011, 07:14:00 AM: love the ending :tup
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Post by: Sigz on May 24, 2011, 05:44:24 AM: EPIC
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Post by: abydos on May 24, 2011, 06:07:54 AM: I was :lol at abstract concept. so funny.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 24, 2011, 02:45:12 PM: Episode 7 has the worst scene of the series, but other than that is perfectly executed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on May 24, 2011, 03:11:46 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 24, 2011, 02:45:12 PM
Episode 7 has the worst scene of the series, but other than that is perfectly executed.

Which, the brothel sexposition?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on May 24, 2011, 03:21:05 PM: Yep.
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Post by: Volk9 on May 24, 2011, 06:23:02 PM: Yea it felt really over drawn and was pretty unnecessary.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on May 24, 2011, 06:23:38 PM: But more importantly, Tywin Lannister is awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on May 24, 2011, 11:55:30 PM: He never seemed like the guy we'd see skinning an animal but considering Charles Dance is awesome and the symbolism involved that scene was great
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on May 25, 2011, 04:04:42 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 24, 2011, 03:21:05 PM
Yep.

I kind of liked Petyr's monologue, especially "I'm not going to fight them, I'm going to fuck them; that's what I know, that's what I am, and only by admitting what we are can we get what we want", but the scene was drawn out and made lame by the porno tryouts that made it impossible to focus on him. And even though I kinda like the actress I get annoyed whenever Ros is on the screen because they obviously only made her up for the sake of random sex scenes that aren't squicky (like a lot of the book's), and she's pretty pointless unless she replaces Shae, the -ayas, or, most likely, is one of Varys's little birds spying on Littlefinger. Considering Theon's attachment to her I thought she was going to replace that mistress of his he had in A Clash of Kings, but that's obviously not the case anymore.

Also they should cancel Game of Thrones and give us this:

(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llf6tdScH71qdt6hko1_500.jpg)
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Post by: NecessaryPain on May 25, 2011, 05:35:40 AM: What a fucking show this is.

Episode 7 was the best so far, just like all the other episodes that have fallen before it.

Damn, I can't wait 2 weeks to see what's gonna happen next. Might have to start speed-reading the book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on May 25, 2011, 06:06:58 AM: Quote from: The Degenerate on May 25, 2011, 04:04:42 AM
Quote from: GuineaPig on May 24, 2011, 03:21:05 PM
Yep.

Also they should cancel Game of Thrones and give us this:

(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llf6tdScH71qdt6hko1_500.jpg)

The greatest bromance ever to grace the small screen!
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Post by: masterthes on May 25, 2011, 01:30:39 PM: Remember guys, a lot of people won't see episode 7 till next week
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 27, 2011, 06:18:59 PM: (https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llh6iakOwc1qk2t5co1_500.jpg)

To those who haven't seen this tumblr yet, you really should.

https://arrestedwesteros.tumblr.com/
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Post by: emindead on May 27, 2011, 06:29:46 PM: I haven't read the books.

The fact that all the Baratheon's had dark hair means that Joffrey is the son of the milkman? The King has some huge horns on him?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2011, 03:48:32 AM: Finally saw Episode 6. Oh, boy, what a show. This is fantastic.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Sigz on May 28, 2011, 04:05:33 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 27, 2011, 06:18:59 PM
To those who haven't seen this tumblr yet, you really should.

https://arrestedwesteros.tumblr.com/

:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on May 28, 2011, 05:32:28 AM: Quote from: Sigz on May 28, 2011, 04:05:33 AM
Quote from: GuineaPig on May 27, 2011, 06:18:59 PM
To those who haven't seen this tumblr yet, you really should.

https://arrestedwesteros.tumblr.com/

:rollin :rollin :rollin

Awesome :lol

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_llffv3iSWT1qk2t5co1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1306668728&Signature=aHsGINxC%2BwVtG9LYaV2dCW3Nzi8%3D)

(https://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llw1210d4l1qkc189o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on May 28, 2011, 06:56:44 AM: Quote from: Sigz on May 28, 2011, 04:05:33 AM
Quote from: GuineaPig on May 27, 2011, 06:18:59 PM
To those who haven't seen this tumblr yet, you really should.

https://arrestedwesteros.tumblr.com/

:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on May 29, 2011, 07:20:17 PM: In tonight's episode, will Baelish's monologue to the prostitutes be meaningful down the road? (The one about the love he lost)'

Who's the guy he lost to in the duel, and who's the brother?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on May 29, 2011, 07:21:31 PM: and also, can there be more prostitute training sessions?
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 29, 2011, 07:22:01 PM: Catelyn Tully was betrothed to Brandon Stark. Littlefinger challenged him to a duel over it, and got predictably sliced up. Then Brandon Stark went and got himself killed and Ned married Catelyn in his place.
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Post by: axeman90210 on May 29, 2011, 08:02:04 PM: HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY GONNA END THIS WEEK LIKE THAT.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on May 30, 2011, 05:23:39 AM: This is fucking hilarious, holy shit:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/introducing-stupid-ned-stark

(I don't recommend looking at it unless you've finished the first book, has some minor spoilers, but goddamn is it hilarious)

example:

(https://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/5/18/16/enhanced-buzz-12408-1305751201-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on May 30, 2011, 05:25:57 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on May 29, 2011, 07:20:17 PM
In tonight's episode, will Baelish's monologue to the prostitutes be meaningful down the road? (The one about the love he lost)'

Who's the guy he lost to in the duel, and who's the brother?

That scene wasn't actually in the book, it serves as exposition/backstory for something that was explained in the book through a character's thoughts/memories. They can't do that on TV, so they used it here.

As Guinea said, the guy he lost the duel to was Brandon Stark, Ned's brother (who the Mad King murdered, which is one of the things that prompted Robert's rebellion). He also gave Petyr Baelish the nickname Littlefinger.
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 30, 2011, 08:57:43 PM: Man. We finally caught up with all the shows and I've never seen so much back stabbing, literally and figuratively!!
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Post by: glaurung on May 30, 2011, 09:00:51 PM: I'm almost caught up with the TV show in the book. For the most part not much has changed, I'm really impressed with how good of an adaption this is! :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: HarlequinForest on May 31, 2011, 12:10:04 AM: Man, this series just gets better and better. The last episode was amazing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on May 31, 2011, 12:18:16 AM: Quote from: HarlequinForest on May 31, 2011, 12:10:04 AM
Man, this series just gets better and better.

Yes, yes it does. I can't wait till the third season; the best book in the series in IMO.

The dude playing Littlefinger is so perfect for that role; I love it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: HarlequinForest on May 31, 2011, 12:31:03 AM: Quote from: soundgarden on May 31, 2011, 12:18:16 AM
Quote from: HarlequinForest on May 31, 2011, 12:10:04 AM
Man, this series just gets better and better.

Yes, yes it does. I can't wait till the third season; the best book in the series in IMO.

The dude playing Littlefinger is so perfect for that role; I love it.

Yeah, I was so happy to see him because I thought he was brilliant in The Wire, and I hadn't seen him in anything since.
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Post by: The Degenerate on May 31, 2011, 04:56:01 AM: eh, some lines just fall flat and he doesn't sound like he's even trying ("Everything. Everything there is" "Don't tell anyone, I have a reputation to maintain") though he nails others ("Distrusting me was the wisest thing you've done since you climbed off your horse"). The Wire shows that Aidan Gillen's obviously a brilliant actor, but, along with Lena Heady as Cersei, he's one of the two people I'm not entirely sold yet in their portrayal of their character. It might be because the characters in the show are actually written slightly different, however, so my expectations for them are thrown off; they're showing less of Littlefinger's humor and charm and more of his sleaziness and resentment, and the show's Cersei seems a good deal more competent than the book's.

The whole cast is pretty goddamn amazing, though. I'm liking Charles Dance (Tywin Lannister) already. And while Renly annoyed me in the scenes with Loras and the hunt, I really liked him in this one with his (brief) confidence.

Got chills in the final scene, with Eddard, Littlefinger and Varys marching into the throne room, with Joffrey sitting on the throne being declared king, Cersei and Sandor beside him, the Kingsguard before him, and the ominous bell echoing outside... amazingly tense atmosphere.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 31, 2011, 10:08:22 AM: At this point, I'm kind of glad that I haven't yet read any of the novels. I am enjoying the hell out of the show, and I have no idea what to expect in the future.

3 more episodes this season!
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Post by: Sigz on May 31, 2011, 10:29:58 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 31, 2011, 10:08:22 AM
3 more episodes this season!

Only 3 episodes? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by: soundgarden on May 31, 2011, 01:22:00 PM: get ready for lots of shits hitting lots of fans. The next three episodes are going to great. :hat
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Post by: Genowyn on May 31, 2011, 06:40:00 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giSLLG02Ex0&feature=feedu
:rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Degenerate on May 31, 2011, 06:52:17 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on May 31, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giSLLG02Ex0&feature=feedu
:rollin :rollin

YES
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on June 01, 2011, 11:25:09 AM: Apparently the stag Tywin skinned in the last episode was real. Took 6 takes, but I'm not sure if that meant 6 stags or not.
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Post by: The Degenerate on June 01, 2011, 05:51:15 PM: what the fuck and Tywin put his hand on Jaime's face right after what the fuck eww

the organs at least were fake right I mean I know that seems like an obvious one but I wasn't paying close attention and need to make sure
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 01, 2011, 06:19:58 PM: Apparently, they were real.
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Post by: faemir on June 01, 2011, 06:31:21 PM: Quote from: The Degenerate on June 01, 2011, 05:51:15 PM
what the fuck and Tywin put his hand on Jaime's face right after what the fuck eww

the organs at least were fake right I mean I know that seems like an obvious one but I wasn't paying close attention and need to make sure

Haha, nope. Real.
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Post by: Volk9 on June 02, 2011, 08:03:56 PM: I kinda figured it was real while I was watching it. He seemed to be putting a lot of work into it, moreso than acting could betray imo.
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Post by: yorost on June 03, 2011, 08:08:28 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 31, 2011, 10:08:22 AM
At this point, I'm kind of glad that I haven't yet read any of the novels. I am enjoying the hell out of the show, and I have no idea what to expect in the future.

3 more episodes this season!
...but,if you had read them you already would have had a similar experience of what your anticipated discovery.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2011, 10:25:39 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on June 01, 2011, 11:25:09 AM
Apparently the stag Tywin skinned in the last episode was real. Took 6 takes, but I'm not sure if that meant 6 stags or not.
:metal
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Post by: Summers on June 03, 2011, 06:14:21 PM: Xersei is a goe
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Lowdz on June 04, 2011, 02:04:11 PM: Quote from: The Degenerate on May 25, 2011, 04:04:42 AM
Quote from: GuineaPig on May 24, 2011, 03:21:05 PM
Yep.

I kind of liked Petyr's monologue, especially "I'm not going to fight them, I'm going to fuck them; that's what I know, that's what I am, and only by admitting what we are can we get what we want", but the scene was drawn out and made lame by the porno tryouts that made it impossible to focus on him. And even though I kinda like the actress I get annoyed whenever Ros is on the screen because they obviously only made her up for the sake of random sex scenes that aren't squicky (like a lot of the book's), and she's pretty pointless unless she replaces Shae, the -ayas, or, most likely, is one of Varys's little birds spying on Littlefinger. Considering Theon's attachment to her I thought she was going to replace that mistress of his he had in A Clash of Kings, but that's obviously not the case anymore.

Also they should cancel Game of Thrones and give us this:

(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llf6tdScH71qdt6hko1_500.jpg)

I understand the need for exposition but would Littlefinger really spill his plan to a pair of prostitutes? Read the book 10 years ago so can't remember if that was in the book but I doubt it.

Only 3 episodes to go. Season 2 can't come quick enough.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 05, 2011, 08:08:17 PM: Oh my God. I have to see the next episode.
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 05, 2011, 08:13:30 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 05, 2011, 08:08:17 PM
Oh my God. I have to see the next episode.

I just did. :metal I won't comment so as not to spoil.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 05, 2011, 08:15:24 PM: Is it on HBO Go?
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 05, 2011, 08:18:03 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 05, 2011, 08:15:24 PM
Is it on HBO Go?

I just watched it live. I usually watch on the DVR. Have you watched them with the interactive features SD? I'd love to get some input on it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 05, 2011, 08:30:12 PM: I think SD was talking about the actual next episode. The one following the one we all just watched.
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 05, 2011, 08:31:49 PM: I look at the times posted and forget that 9pm is my 10 pm. :facepalm: I'm still interested in how the interactive works with the show.
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 05, 2011, 08:36:44 PM: This episode was the only one of the first season written by the author of the books. It looks like he's going to be writing one every season; he's in the process of writing the penultimate episode for next season already.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 05, 2011, 09:14:28 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 05, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
I think SD was talking about the actual next episode. The one following the one we all just watched.

Yes. This series is a helluva thing, I can't come up with the words to describe how awesome and yet how maddening it is.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 06, 2011, 04:57:27 AM: 2 more episodes!
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 06, 2011, 10:46:14 AM: I'm very happy that my three favourite characters (the Lannister boys) have been brought to life so well. Tywin is perfect.
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Post by: kartmaze2 on June 06, 2011, 03:37:19 PM: Have they planned or started producing season 2?
If so, any word on when it will air?

2 more episodes before a break are too few! :-\
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Post by: faemir on June 06, 2011, 04:14:43 PM: I WANT MOAR
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Post by: NecessaryPain on June 06, 2011, 05:11:41 PM: Is it just me, or was this last episode incredibly mediocre?

It just seemed rushed. Or rather, silly, at times.

I just don't think it had the same charm as the earlier episodes. Something was off.
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 06, 2011, 05:18:24 PM: Just you, apparently. General consensus is that it was the best one.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on June 06, 2011, 05:25:22 PM: Must be me then.

Something missing. Can't quite place my finger on it. The acting, maybe. Not quite as strong as the previous episodes.

It all happened very fast as well. I was disappointed to see Ned's capture was skipped to him stuck in the dungeon (not up to that part in the book yet, but for the TV show they could have shown what happened in the throne room) and Robb seemed to gain 18,000 men in the space of a few minutes. I would have preferred they stretch the Season out to 12-13 episodes for more dialogue.

Edit - It's the pacing. Not the acting. Not really.
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Post by: Tanatra on June 06, 2011, 07:30:54 PM: The beginning of the latest episode actually reminded me of Blazing Saddles. Remember towards the end of that movie when they had the huge brawl that moved from set to set & kept interrupting things? Yeah, that. One scene after another of people just going about their business, then soldiers bursting into the room & killing them. :lol
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Post by: masterthes on June 07, 2011, 04:55:13 AM: Brilliant set up for next week's fireworks
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Post by: Genowyn on June 07, 2011, 07:16:04 AM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on June 06, 2011, 05:25:22 PM
Must be me then.

Something missing. Can't quite place my finger on it. The acting, maybe. Not quite as strong as the previous episodes.

It all happened very fast as well. I was disappointed to see Ned's capture was skipped to him stuck in the dungeon (not up to that part in the book yet, but for the TV show they could have shown what happened in the throne room) and Robb seemed to gain 18,000 men in the space of a few minutes. I would have preferred they stretch the Season out to 12-13 episodes for more dialogue.

Edit - It's the pacing. Not the acting. Not really.

That's pretty much how it happens in the books, though. Keep in mind that these events are not happening in anything close to real time. If I recall correctly it took almost a month for them to get from Winterfell to King's Landing, but that was covered in one episode. Between Robb calling his banners and having an army, there was certainly some passage of time. Not really any need for dialogue.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on June 07, 2011, 08:33:03 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on June 06, 2011, 05:18:24 PM
Just you, apparently. General consensus is that it was the best one.

Yep. And the episode was actually written by GRRM, himself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: NecessaryPain on June 07, 2011, 12:31:24 PM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 07, 2011, 08:33:03 AM
Quote from: GuineaPig on June 06, 2011, 05:18:24 PM
Just you, apparently. General consensus is that it was the best one.

Yep. And the episode was actually written by GRRM, himself.

True. But that doesn't instantly make it a great episode. There's no fine line between writing a novel and transitioning to TV.

The whole episode could have been made into 2. Might have been a better option.

Still a great show so far, mind. I'm up to The Eyrie section of the novel and thoroughly enjoying it. It's nice to see the blanks filled in from watching the TV show and knowing what to expect. It adds that little bit of closure which helps develop the characters immensely.

It's also great how the writers of the show have stayed extremely loyal to the source material. It's not word-for-word, but it isn't far off. Gotta give HBO the credit for once again, showing why they are the best in the business at making solid TV.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 07, 2011, 12:42:59 PM: I'm sort of annoyed that they changed the "All dwarves are bastards, but not all bastards need be dwarves" line. Sort of one of 'those' lines. That would be like if they changed the Oath of the Night's Watch or "IS THERE ANY GOLD IN THE VILLAGE!? GEMS!?" (I realize I probably misquoted that)
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Post by: masterthes on June 07, 2011, 01:28:14 PM: Like they should've had Cat telling Snow "it should've been you"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: NecessaryPain on June 07, 2011, 05:31:06 PM: Quote from: masterthes on June 07, 2011, 01:28:14 PM
Like they should've had Cat telling Snow "it should've been you"

When you put it all together, there's lots missing. But they do the best they can as it's a TV show and there's not enough time to fill in the gaps.

I was disappointed to find that it was The Hound that told Sansa the story of how he got his scars from his brother etc. (I am reading GoT right now) It was Littlefinger hat was used as his replacement. There's lots more they missed with the Hand's Tournament that could have been used, too.

Like I said before, 12 or 13 episodes in place of more dialogue would have been better. The pacing was way off last episode, IMO. But i'm it's only a minor complaint. There are budgets to think about, of course.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on June 08, 2011, 10:19:52 AM: Just a word of warning. Stay away from comments on GoT's facebook page and IMDB etc, i've just received a seriously annoying spoiler that has now ruined both the books and TV's experience.

I should have known better to look at fan reaction for the show.
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Post by: yorost on June 08, 2011, 10:26:35 AM: I doubt one spoiler could ruin everything, so don't be too glum.
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Post by: Aefenwelg on June 08, 2011, 11:32:40 AM: I'm guessing I know which spoiler he's referring to, and it seriously could ruin a lot of things. Maybe not everything, but enough where you'd really be sad you saw it.

For those who haven't read the book, next episode is a doozy.
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Post by: yorost on June 08, 2011, 01:02:15 PM: I have a pretty good guess, too, but no one spoiler will ruin the entire experience of the book series. It probably spoiled the next episode, but so far, there just isn't one event that can be spoiled to make you put all of the other pieces of the series together, not even close.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: NecessaryPain on June 08, 2011, 02:12:28 PM: Well, no, it's not going to ruin everything, but i'm pretty pissed off.
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Post by: Summers on June 08, 2011, 05:03:51 PM: Yeah people are idiots with spoilers online. Some people even just do it for kicks :tdwn was on omegle once and had some guy who just pasted a pretty bad spoiler for a film as soon as the conversation started. Not that I'm ever going to watch that, but people can be arseholes, I mean why do that?

Then you just get inconsiderate people spouting off spoilers on comments and stuff like you saw. At least give warning about the spoiler! Grr, one thing that really annoys me about teh interwebz.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 08, 2011, 06:31:21 PM: I'm thinking about starting in on the books this summer, but I'm not sure whether I'll like watching the show more or less once I know what's happening.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on June 08, 2011, 07:03:50 PM: Quote from: axeman90210 on June 08, 2011, 06:31:21 PM
I'm thinking about starting in on the books this summer, but I'm not sure whether I'll like watching the show more or less once I know what's happening.

I'm liking the show just fine, I think most fans of the books feel the same.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 12, 2011, 08:11:05 PM: :'(
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 12, 2011, 08:33:46 PM: Ah damn, knew that was coming but fuck me in the ass it still sucks.

Amazing episode. Man it sucks that next week's is the last for this season. How will I manage until next year?!
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Post by: Super Dude on June 12, 2011, 09:09:46 PM: It's funny, the first time I ever saw an episode of GoT was the second one, and from the get-go (thanks to my party pooper brother) I knew Ned Stark would be executed. And I always knew he would because of that, and always felt the slow pull towards it. But never until tonight's episode did it really hit me. And boy did it hit me.
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Post by: zxlkho on June 12, 2011, 09:17:08 PM: (https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmpk76yoo51qbpxr5o1_400.jpg)
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Post by: Genowyn on June 12, 2011, 09:28:12 PM: The parts with Tyrion were all way different. Why is Shae scary for no reason? Why didn't Tyrion finish the story about Tysha? Why wasn't Tyrion involved in the battle?

grumble grumble
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 12, 2011, 09:34:10 PM: Small quibbles that I am willing to overlook because omg this show is great.

I'm glad they skipped the battle since that was pretty wonky in the book (Tyrion taking out a knight? lol?). The one big problem I have so far is the pacing. It just feels waaaaay too fast. Another episode or two for this season would make things so much better.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 12, 2011, 09:36:11 PM: god damn Joffrey :censored
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Post by: Super Dude on June 12, 2011, 09:36:34 PM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 12, 2011, 09:34:10 PM
Small quibbles that I am willing to overlook because omg this show is great.

I'm glad they skipped the battle since that was pretty wonky in the book (Tyrion taking out a knight? lol?). The one big problem I have so far is the pacing. It just feels waaaaay too fast. Another episode or two for this season would make things so much better.

Keep in mind they have to get through an 800+ page novel in the time of a season.
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Post by: glaurung on June 12, 2011, 09:41:51 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 12, 2011, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 12, 2011, 09:34:10 PM
Small quibbles that I am willing to overlook because omg this show is great.

I'm glad they skipped the battle since that was pretty wonky in the book (Tyrion taking out a knight? lol?). The one big problem I have so far is the pacing. It just feels waaaaay too fast. Another episode or two for this season would make things so much better.

Keep in mind they have to get through an 800+ page novel in the time of a season.

Which is exactly why he just said they should have added another one or two episodes to the season.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 12, 2011, 09:56:00 PM: I really hope they aren't planning to do Clash in 10 episodes (or god forbid Storm of Swords in only 10 episodes). They really ought to be 12 at least, from now on.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 12, 2011, 11:48:28 PM: Quote from: glaurung on June 12, 2011, 09:41:51 PM
Which is exactly why he just said they should have added another one or two episodes to the season.
Yep, exactly. :tup

Quote from: Genowyn on June 12, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
I really hope they aren't planning to do Clash in 10 episodes (or god forbid Storm of Swords in only 10 episodes). They really ought to be 12 at least, from now on.
I think that only Season 1 is getting 10 episodes. The following should be normal HBO season length (12-13).

There was some talk that aSoS was going to be split into two seasons, which would really be the only way to properly do that book.

Another thing that I kinda wish that they had changed from the book was that Mirri Maz Duur should've been introduced earlier. She's a pretty important character and she's around for such a short time. I haven't read GoT in a while, but I vaguely remember her being around a bit longer. Maybe someone who has recently read the book can correct me on this.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on June 13, 2011, 05:47:32 AM: That was one of the best episodes in TV history.

I just hope Eddard gets the retribution he deserves.
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Post by: Sigz on June 13, 2011, 07:47:03 AM: (https://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/8179/350662-big_boss_salute_super.jpg)
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Post by: masterthes on June 13, 2011, 03:21:08 PM: No, Crimson, she's been treated the same so far in the show as in the book

This week was awesome yet again. Now, I heard rumors they are going to kill someone off sooner than they do in the books I guess as a suprise for the season finale, and I am really hoping they end the season they do in the book. That would be a great image to close out to
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Post by: faemir on June 13, 2011, 03:51:11 PM: (https://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/06/08/gif_reaction.gif)

Middle one is a book reader, outer ones are tv readers.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 13, 2011, 03:55:31 PM: Quote from: faemir on June 13, 2011, 03:51:11 PM
(https://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/06/08/gif_reaction.gif)

Middle one is a book reader, outer ones are tv readers.

Nope. I read all the books (twice) and I still had the same reaction as the girls in the gif. It was a fantastically filmed scene.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 13, 2011, 03:59:55 PM: this has been my only source of consolation all day :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYNeT2nzEgA&feature=player_embedded
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Post by: soundgarden on June 13, 2011, 04:13:57 PM: Quote from: axeman90210 on June 13, 2011, 03:59:55 PM
this has been my only source of consolation all day :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYNeT2nzEgA&feature=player_embedded

:rollin :rollin :rollin

Tyrion is awesome.
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Post by: Sigz on June 13, 2011, 04:20:58 PM: For your viewing pleasure:

(https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmqa6nWAN11qh3geq.gif)
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Post by: masterthes on June 13, 2011, 04:47:52 PM: Pure speculation here, but do you think Verne Troyer or Warwick Davis could've done justice to Tyrion?
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Post by: NecessaryPain on June 14, 2011, 05:15:12 AM: Quote from: masterthes on June 13, 2011, 04:47:52 PM
Pure speculation here, but do you think Verne Troyer or Warwick Davis could've done justice to Tyrion?

Absolutely not. I'd say Tyrion, Joffrey and Varys have been the best actors on the show so far.

Tyrion should win an award. Brilliant little actor.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 14, 2011, 09:50:20 AM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on June 14, 2011, 05:15:12 AM
Quote from: masterthes on June 13, 2011, 04:47:52 PM
Pure speculation here, but do you think Verne Troyer or Warwick Davis could've done justice to Tyrion?

Absolutely not. I'd say Tyrion, Joffrey and Varys have been the best actors on the show so far.

Tyrion should win an award. Brilliant little actor.

no Littlefinger?! Petyr and Tyrion rocks the show (and this is among an entire cast which is already fantastic)
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Post by: chknptpie on June 14, 2011, 10:10:18 AM: https://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/sean-bean-stabbed-outside-london-pub/218650

Quote
Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones star Sean Bean was involved in an alleged attack in a North London pub at the weekend. The incident is said to have occured while the actor was enjoying a drink and a cigarette in the Sunday sun with friend April Summers. Standing outside the Hill Bar and Brassiere in Camden a passer-by made lewd comments about his companion leading the former Sharpe actor to confront the man.

As reported in The Daily Mail, the unnamed man is believed to have returned to the bar later and attacked the Lord of the Rings star, punched him in the face and 'stabbed him with broken glass'.

Declining a trip to hospital Sean Bean went back into the pub and ordered another drink.

A fellow drinker told The Mail, “Sean is a regular here and we’ve never had any problems before. He was with a very attractive woman and an incident occurred outside the bar.”

“He came in with a cut on his arm and a bruise on his eyebrow. We saw to his injuries with the first aid kit. He seemed ok and wanted to have another drink.”

Neither Bean nor Summers has commented on the incident.

Sean Bean is currently appearing in the HBO drama Game of Thrones on Sky Atlantic.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on June 14, 2011, 11:05:00 AM: He should have carried the sword. This man had broken the kings peace.

The man who passes the sentence, should swing the sword. Off with his head, Ned!
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Post by: glaurung on June 14, 2011, 11:05:53 AM: > be Sean Bean
> get stabbed by broken glass
>(https://i.imgur.com/BfkoA.gif)
> have a drink
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Post by: Sigz on June 14, 2011, 11:06:39 AM: What a fucking man.
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Post by: emindead on June 14, 2011, 11:31:06 AM: Quote from: masterthes on June 13, 2011, 03:21:08 PM
*Rumors*
Why? I didn't want to know that. I definitely hate you.

Quote from: axeman90210 on June 12, 2011, 09:36:11 PM
god damn Joffrey :censored
This. I fucking hate him. Somehow... right before getting executed I wanted his daughter to, I don't know, steal a freaking bow and arrow and kill Joffrey in the act. Joffrey piece of shit.

(https://imgur.com/8O1m2.jpg)
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Post by: NecessaryPain on June 14, 2011, 04:17:03 PM: He's doing his job very well, then.

I actually kind-of like him.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 14, 2011, 09:17:39 PM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on June 14, 2011, 05:15:12 AM
Quote from: masterthes on June 13, 2011, 04:47:52 PM
Pure speculation here, but do you think Verne Troyer or Warwick Davis could've done justice to Tyrion?

Absolutely not. I'd say Tyrion, Joffrey and Varys have been the best actors on the show so far.

Tyrion should win an award. Brilliant little actor.
Maisie Williams as Arya is awesome as well.
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 15, 2011, 05:22:27 AM: I want Joffrey's head brought to me too. Little :censored
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Post by: Super Dude on June 15, 2011, 05:23:49 AM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 14, 2011, 09:17:39 PM
Quote from: NecessaryPain on June 14, 2011, 05:15:12 AM
Quote from: masterthes on June 13, 2011, 04:47:52 PM
Pure speculation here, but do you think Verne Troyer or Warwick Davis could've done justice to Tyrion?

Absolutely not. I'd say Tyrion, Joffrey and Varys have been the best actors on the show so far.

Tyrion should win an award. Brilliant little actor.
Maisie Williams as Arya is awesome as well.

Yes she is. I'm really interested to see where this character goes (once again some of it's been spoiled for me already by my damn brother :censored). Also, other than Ned Stark and Lord Snow, I'm finding she's one of the few characters I not only sympathize with but truly admire.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 20, 2011, 07:40:14 AM: The dragons looked pretty good.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 08:07:02 AM: So did Dany. :eyebrows:
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Post by: Genowyn on June 20, 2011, 08:08:03 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So did Dany. :eyebrows:

However old the actress is, you know the character is 14 right? :lol
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Post by: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 08:09:14 AM: It's a freaking TV show. And for your information, I do go by how old the actress is, not the character. :P
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Post by: Genowyn on June 20, 2011, 08:16:12 AM: The second season cannot come fast enough. Really looking forward to seeing the Battle of the Blackwater and the House of the Undying on film. Oh well. At least the 5th book comes out in a month :caffeine:
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Post by: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 08:26:31 AM: I can't wait to see what becomes of Tyrion.
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Post by: yorost on June 20, 2011, 08:31:34 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 08:09:14 AM
It's a freaking TV show. And for your information, I do go by how old the actress is, not the character. :P
It goes beyond the actress just being older than the character, Dany is also older in the tv series than in the books. You should be societally fine there, too. Most of the young characters were aged up because popular society can't handle the thought that history doesn't agree with our notions of proper. I think this was discussed in here already... ?
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Post by: Genowyn on June 20, 2011, 08:37:38 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 08:26:31 AM
I can't wait to see what becomes of Tyrion.

Tyrion will spend the entire second season being a straight up pimp. Look forward to it.
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Post by: XJDenton on June 20, 2011, 08:46:31 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 20, 2011, 08:08:03 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
So did Dany. :eyebrows:

However old the actress is, you know the character is 14 right? :lol

17. The Tv series is set 3 years later than the books, to prevent issues like this. All the characters are a bit older.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 09:32:44 AM: Although the TV series says Sansa is 13 and she looks around 16 or 17. ???
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Post by: yorost on June 20, 2011, 09:47:24 AM: She was 13 or 14 in the books, she should be older in the tv series.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2011, 09:47:39 AM: That was pretty friggin' awesome. Can't wait until Season 2.
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 20, 2011, 10:52:26 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
Although the TV series says Sansa is 13 and she looks around 16 or 17. ???

The actress playing Sansa was 14 when the first season was filmed.

Sansa was 11 in the books, I think.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 20, 2011, 10:59:03 AM: Huh, fo gigure.
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Post by: yorost on June 20, 2011, 11:09:18 AM: Huh, I forgot she was that young in the books. She's the POV I always looked forward to the most because of how Martin handles her character.
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Post by: masterthes on June 20, 2011, 11:12:32 AM: So awesome. Can't wait for next year!
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 20, 2011, 12:01:04 PM: Move over, Orson Welles.

(https://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/joffrey-clap.gif)

We've got a new clapping .gif.
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Post by: chknptpie on June 20, 2011, 12:03:38 PM: hahaha yay!

oh and kinda creepy that it lined up with Day Tripper that I'm listening to.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on June 20, 2011, 12:44:12 PM: The kid who plays Joffrey is a brilliant little actor.

Him and Tyrion are stealing the show so far, IMO. (great acting all-round though)
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Post by: XJDenton on June 20, 2011, 12:55:08 PM: The fact I want force his face into the less comfortable parts of the iron throne is testament to his skill as an actor.
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Post by: masterthes on June 20, 2011, 04:56:33 PM: Eh, Orson is better
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Post by: emindead on June 20, 2011, 05:38:25 PM: This is the best TV series ever. I'm sold.

HBO should produce everything (with nudity :lol I was used to it with Entourage's graphic scenes, but this just ups the ante in an unseen way!). Cable is the way to go.
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 20, 2011, 08:22:54 PM: Quote from: XJDenton on June 20, 2011, 12:55:08 PM
The fact I want force his face into the less comfortable parts of the iron throne is testament to his skill as an actor.

This 1 billion times.

The ending of this season was to express myself in a lowbrow way...F'ing great.
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Post by: Sigz on June 21, 2011, 10:40:47 AM: The next series needs to be here now.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 21, 2011, 11:31:55 AM: They're not gonna start filming until a month from this Saturday, so we'll have to be patient.
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Post by: Sigz on June 21, 2011, 11:34:38 AM: AAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHH
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Post by: yorost on June 21, 2011, 11:50:30 AM: You realize if they didn't spread them out over years there would be no hope of it ever finishing? As it is with yearly seasons, I wonder if Martin might not have to script the seventh season before the book is completely finished.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 21, 2011, 11:53:25 AM: I don't see that being as much of a problem now as it might've been ten years ago, now that the series is well more than halfway complete.
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Post by: yorost on June 21, 2011, 12:07:51 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 21, 2011, 11:53:25 AM
I don't see that being as much of a problem now as it might've been ten years ago, now that the series is well more than halfway complete.

Book: publication year (HBO air year) - gap

1: 1996 (2011) - 15 years
2: 1999 (2012) - 13 years
3: 2000 (2013) - 13 years
4: 2005 (2014) - 9 years
5: 2011 (2015) - 4 years
6: ---- (2016)
7: ---- (2017)

Season 6 should have no problem, but if he has any issues like he did with the last two books it's highly unlikely he'll have completed 7 before the tv series is ready to film it. Hopefully at least one of these books gets finished with no real snags for Martin, but I doubt he'll rush things just to finish before the tv series does.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 21, 2011, 12:14:08 PM: Well then, we just have to wait the TV series will wait up for him.
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Post by: yorost on June 21, 2011, 12:24:50 PM: Well, I'd rather Martin just not have snags and gets the books out, and at his standards, quicker. Waiting for the last two books has dropped all expectations I have of a speedy new book. :lol
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Post by: soundgarden on June 22, 2011, 12:44:06 PM: Man, the casting on this show still blows my mind; everyone is fantastic and fits their role perfectly.

I can't wait to see who they choose for Stannis. Mark Strong's name has popped up several places, that would make me :hefdaddy x 1000

edit..

he HAS to be stannis, its so perfect...
https://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/asoiafcasting/HenryVIII_norfolk.jpg?t=1242306930
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 23, 2011, 01:04:08 PM: First casting info for season 2: Natalie Dormer for Margaery Tyrell.

https://winter-is-coming.net/2011/06/natalie-dormer-to-play-margaery-tyrell/
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Post by: Ryzee on June 23, 2011, 01:22:25 PM: I just saw that too. Should be cool, I enjoyed her on The Tudors. A little old for Margaery but as has been pointed out numerous times they've aged up all of the younger characters for the show so it's all good. At this point I completely trust their casting judgement. Can't wait to find out who they're going to cast for Stannis and his posse (Davos, Melisandre, etc.) and the Greyjoys (Balon, Asha, etc.). Also curious as to who's going to play Brienne. That's gotta be an awkward casting call: "We're looking for a large, mannish, unattractive woman." :lol
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Post by: yorost on June 23, 2011, 01:39:34 PM: Actually, I wonder if they aren't just going to hire a man for Brienne. Otherwise makeup can go a long way to making someone seeming hideous without really being so.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 23, 2011, 04:20:26 PM: Oh right, I forgot about Brienne. That will be interesting. But I enjoy that the harsh realism of the novels transfer to life; it WILL require a girl to man-up (pun intended) to fit the roll. Just have to accept what life has dealt and try your best with it, really.

**major spoiler**

Well Brienne is obviously falling for Jaime, and Jaime warming up to her more and more as his own character begins to change throughout the whole journey with them two. Perhaps Martin has some plans for her....
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Post by: Genowyn on June 23, 2011, 05:29:17 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on June 23, 2011, 04:20:26 PM
Oh right, I forgot about Brienne. That will be interesting. But I enjoy that the harsh realism of the novels transfer to life; it WILL require a girl to man-up (pun intended) to fit the roll. Just have to accept what life has dealt and try your best with it, really.

**major spoiler**

Well Brienne is obviously falling for Jaime, and Jaime warming up to her more and more as his own character begins to change throughout the whole journey with them two. Perhaps Martin has some plans for her....

Like being hanged by Catelyn? :lol
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Post by: yorost on June 23, 2011, 09:07:47 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 23, 2011, 05:29:17 PM
Like being hanged by Catelyn? :lol
Except she quite possibly shouted something to save the life of her and her companions. :p.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 24, 2011, 05:54:47 AM: Quote from: yorost on June 23, 2011, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on June 23, 2011, 05:29:17 PM
Like being hanged by Catelyn? :lol
Except she quite possibly shouted something to save the life of her and her companions. :p.

She might have, but for all we know she could have shouted "Jaime!" which would have pissed Cat off even more.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on June 24, 2011, 06:59:02 AM: Quote from: Ryzee on June 23, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
Also curious as to who's going to play Brienne. That's gotta be an awkward casting call: "We're looking for a large, mannish, unattractive woman." :lol

I wonder if Hillary Swank is available. ;)
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Post by: yorost on June 24, 2011, 08:26:18 AM: I see lots of people suggesting her, but it doesn't make sense to me unless they plan on really downplaying just how awful a lot Brienne was dealt. Swank is too small to play Brienne as described in the books.

Quote from: Genowyn on June 24, 2011, 05:54:47 AM
Quote from: yorost on June 23, 2011, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on June 23, 2011, 05:29:17 PM
Like being hanged by Catelyn? :lol
Except she quite possibly shouted something to save the life of her and her companions. :p.

She might have, but for all we know she could have shouted "Jaime!" which would have pissed Cat off even more.
I don't think Cat was at the execution. I'll be a little disappointed if she managed her way out of this, it just didn't seem plausible when I had read it. However, I do think she survived, and with the emphasis on her screaming a final word it has to be that. She must have indicated she would kill Jaime, somehow.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on June 24, 2011, 02:09:49 PM: Quote from: yorost on June 24, 2011, 08:26:18 AM
I see lots of people suggesting her, but it doesn't make sense to me unless they plan on really downplaying just how awful a lot Brienne was dealt. Swank is too small to play Brienne as described in the books.

I was just being a smartass. I think she looks kind of man-ish (broad shoulders, etc.), but not nearly enough to play Brienne as described in the books. Of course, truly ugly people on TV/film, especially women, are a rarity. Dinklage is much more handsome than the Tyrion of the books, and I suspect that Brienne will end up being "Hollywood Ugly", as well.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 24, 2011, 05:39:27 PM: Quote from: yorost on June 24, 2011, 08:26:18 AM
I see lots of people suggesting her, but it doesn't make sense to me unless they plan on really downplaying just how awful a lot Brienne was dealt. Swank is too small to play Brienne as described in the books.

Quote from: Genowyn on June 24, 2011, 05:54:47 AM
Quote from: yorost on June 23, 2011, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on June 23, 2011, 05:29:17 PM
Like being hanged by Catelyn? :lol
Except she quite possibly shouted something to save the life of her and her companions. :p.

She might have, but for all we know she could have shouted "Jaime!" which would have pissed Cat off even more.
I don't think Cat was at the execution. I'll be a little disappointed if she managed her way out of this, it just didn't seem plausible when I had read it. However, I do think she survived, and with the emphasis on her screaming a final word it has to be that. She must have indicated she would kill Jaime, somehow.

I really hope that's not what happens...Jaime is well on the path to redemption and I would much rather see Brienne hack Cat to pieces than kill Jaime. That may be because I like Jaime and absolutely despise Cat, though.
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Post by: yorost on June 24, 2011, 09:55:42 PM: No, I think those are fairly common sentiments.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 27, 2011, 08:14:30 PM: BUMP

May I present, Arrested Westeros (https://arrestedwesteros.tumblr.com/), a hilarious mashup of Game of Thrones screencaps and Arrested Development quotes. This (https://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2011/06/arrested-development-meets-game-of-thrones-with-arrested-westeros/#page/1) article has a slideshow of some of the better ones
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Post by: glaurung on June 27, 2011, 08:25:55 PM: Quote from: axeman90210 on June 27, 2011, 08:14:30 PM
BUMP

May I present, Arrested Westeros (https://arrestedwesteros.tumblr.com/), a hilarious mashup of Game of Thrones screencaps and Arrested Development quotes. This (https://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2011/06/arrested-development-meets-game-of-thrones-with-arrested-westeros/#page/1) article has a slideshow of some of the better ones

May I present, this post from earlier in the thread.

Quote from: GuineaPig on May 27, 2011, 06:18:59 PM
https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llh6iakOwc1qk2t5co1_500.jpg

To those who haven't seen this tumblr yet, you really should.

https://arrestedwesteros.tumblr.com/

:splodetard:

Anyways, I love that site. :lol
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 27, 2011, 08:41:22 PM: Ah... I knew that "Arrested Westeros" sounded vaguely familiar. I think I saw that post but never checked the link out :lol

Oh well, awesome enough that it's worth posting twice.
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Post by: Scrub206 on June 29, 2011, 12:01:04 PM: I miss Ned.... =/
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Post by: GuineaPig on July 07, 2011, 06:27:35 PM: Gwendoline Christie cast as Brienne of Tarth.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 08, 2011, 06:02:47 AM: She doesn't look very ugly. Oh well, hopefully the makeup team can handle that job :lol
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Post by: Summers on July 08, 2011, 06:20:11 AM: (https://www.breakfastattiffanys.co.uk/images/cast_creative/pic_christie.jpg)

This is Brienne? Agreed, needs more ugly. Somebody beat the crap out of her.
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Post by: Super Dude on July 08, 2011, 06:42:19 AM: A strawberry shortcake might do the trick.
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Post by: yorost on July 08, 2011, 09:03:23 AM: She's only 6'3'', she's still probably going to need to wear risers. Brienne is big ...for a man. Maybe all the other actors are short.
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Post by: soundgarden on July 11, 2011, 11:33:07 AM: Quote from: Summers on July 08, 2011, 06:20:11 AM
(https://www.breakfastattiffanys.co.uk/images/cast_creative/pic_christie.jpg)

This is Brienne? Agreed, needs more ugly. Somebody beat the crap out of her.

(https://www.airlockalpha.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/pe_image/storygraphic/christie071111.jpg)

I'm sure the make-up department will have a "make her more manly" memo on their desk (at least I hope...) Her "beauty" is essential especially when she begins her journey with you know who....

Actually, she might do quite well (link below, forward to 0:19s in the video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1W5klIT7dg

Stlil excited to see the Stannis and Greyjoy crews....

edit...

whenever I think of Asha Greyjoy I am reminded of Fang from Final Fantasy 13. That would rock if the girl they choose looks like her (they also have similar personalities)
https://www.kegames.net/resimler/final.fantasy.13.fang.haber.jpg
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Post by: soundgarden on July 11, 2011, 11:40:07 AM: Quote from: yorost on June 21, 2011, 12:24:50 PM
Well, I'd rather Martin just not have snags and gets the books out, and at his standards, quicker. Waiting for the last two books has dropped all expectations I have of a speedy new book. :lol

He stated that he will have time if HBO devotes 2 seasons for Storm of Swords (which they dam better well!, that book is massive) and 3 seasons total for the following two books.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on July 11, 2011, 06:03:26 PM: Absolutely loved A Game of Thrones - the book, that is.

I have just moved onto Clash of Kings, which has started really well. As a writer myself, I feel enthralled when reading Martin's work. It's almost effortless writing, and i'm seeing new words used all the time. Like, all the time, without the usual obvious use of a Thesaurus. Such a talented writer.

Random question, but does anyone know why AGoT has page numbers, and ACoK does not? (Kindle users only)
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Post by: yorost on July 11, 2011, 07:22:27 PM: A few months ago none of them had corresponding page numbers. Seems they just uploaded the numbers for the most popular selling books first, and AGoT is probably a much better seller at the moment. They did say it wasn't for all the books, but they didn't give a clear description of which ones would get it.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 11, 2011, 09:28:34 PM: Stupid Amazon why can you not ship the book so I will receive it on release day?

Gives me time to try to finish off my re-read of Storm I guess.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on July 13, 2011, 10:42:07 PM: I'm still waiting for mine. :'(

Well, at least I have time to finish Iron Council. *sigh*
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Post by: GuineaPig on July 14, 2011, 05:53:51 AM: All book discussion should go in the proper thread:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4956.0
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Post by: GuineaPig on July 14, 2011, 07:18:18 AM: 13 Emmy nominations, including Best Drama and Supporting Actor for Dinklage.

More importantly, they got nominated for Best Hairstyling for "A Golden Crown" :rollin
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Post by: NecessaryPain on July 14, 2011, 06:47:27 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on July 14, 2011, 07:18:18 AM
13 Emmy nominations, including Best Drama and Supporting Actor for Dinklage.

More importantly, they got nominated for Best Hairstyling for "A Golden Crown" :rollin

Why has Boardwalk Empire been nominated for anything?

Unless i'm missing something, Season 1 has been finished for a long time, and didn't Buscemi win last year also?

HBO are masters at their craft, but I fail to see how this show has even appeared this year. Feels like a lifetime ago this show finished its first Season.
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 14, 2011, 06:50:20 PM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on July 14, 2011, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: GuineaPig on July 14, 2011, 07:18:18 AM
13 Emmy nominations, including Best Drama and Supporting Actor for Dinklage.

More importantly, they got nominated for Best Hairstyling for "A Golden Crown" :rollin

Why has Boardwalk Empire been nominated for anything?

Unless i'm missing something, Season 1 has been finished for a long time, and didn't Buscemi win last year also?

HBO are masters at their craft, but I fail to see how this show has even appeared this year. Feels like a lifetime ago this show finished its first Season.

it debuted in the middle of last September, right at the beginning of the year I guess as far as Emmy eligibility is concerned.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 16, 2011, 07:25:38 AM: Quote from: axeman90210 on July 14, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: NecessaryPain on July 14, 2011, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: GuineaPig on July 14, 2011, 07:18:18 AM
13 Emmy nominations, including Best Drama and Supporting Actor for Dinklage.

More importantly, they got nominated for Best Hairstyling for "A Golden Crown" :rollin

Why has Boardwalk Empire been nominated for anything?

Unless i'm missing something, Season 1 has been finished for a long time, and didn't Buscemi win last year also?

HBO are masters at their craft, but I fail to see how this show has even appeared this year. Feels like a lifetime ago this show finished its first Season.

it debuted in the middle of last September, right at the beginning of the year I guess as far as Emmy eligibility is concerned.
This, its season started when all the network show seasons started.

BTW, the pilot episode cost $18 million, the most expensive single episode of a TV drama in history.
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 16, 2011, 08:08:52 AM: holy crap, did not know that :lol That's pretty awesome though
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Post by: Summers on July 20, 2011, 05:55:50 AM: Liam Cunningham cast as Davos.

(https://images.askmen.com/photos/2008-sundance-film-festival-the-escapist-portraits/42919.jpg)

Good casting I reckon.
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Post by: GuineaPig on July 20, 2011, 07:34:29 AM: (https://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/59/59170/got_jpg_627x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg)

Stephen Dillane for Stannis and Carice van Houten for Melisandre.
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Post by: Super Dude on August 01, 2011, 06:26:27 PM: Can anyone verify this article? Cause there's some fail in here.

https://tvovermind.zap2it.com/cable/hbo/game-of-thrones/game-of-thrones-season-2-future-series-tca/85306

Quote
Members of the Game of Thrones cast and author George R.R. Martin came out for Comic-Con (read more here) and now HBO is discussing the hit series at their TCA panel this afternoon while production on season 2 is currently underway in Ireland.

One piece of news is that like season 1, season 2 of Game of Thrones will have only 10 episodes. The producers and the network fear that making more episodes per season would dilute the quality of the series, in addition to adding delay. They want to ensure that the audience doesn't have to wait more than a year between seasons. Expect season 2 to be even grander than the first: "The production challenges for this season far exceed what we had to think about last season...but that excites us."

How long could the show last, assuming the ratings remain good? HBO is actually hoping for 7 or 8 seasons. They plan on letting the story dictate the length: "They're trying to find a storytelling structure that works for the season." They don't know, however, whether the end point for the series will be the same end point as the book series by George R.R. Martin (which still has two books yet to be written/published). Since there are rumors that seasons 2 and 3 might not be long enough to cover an entire book each, it's not that shocking that the show may not follow the exact same timeline and may choose another end point.

Game of Thrones season 2 will premiere in the spring of 2012.

Weren't there some book fans on here saying that a single season for some of those books wouldn't be justified one ten-episode long season?

Edit: And another article said something about putting a little bit of book 3 in season 2.
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Post by: zxlkho on August 01, 2011, 06:53:35 PM: This show is fucking amazing.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on August 02, 2011, 07:30:40 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on August 01, 2011, 06:26:27 PM

Weren't there some book fans on here saying that a single season for some of those books wouldn't be justified one ten-episode long season?

Yes, and I think that's what they're saying in that article. The seasons will only be 10 episodes, but not necessarily line up exactly with the books. I'm sure they won't get through Book 3 (A Storm of Swords) in less than 4 seasons.

Quote
Edit: And another article said something about putting a little bit of book 3 in season 2.

Yes. There are some characters (like Robb) that are "off-screen" for almost the entire 2nd book. Which isn't really a good idea for TV. So, they'll add some stuff and pull some elements from book 3 in to keep those characters around in season 2.

They did a little of that in Season 1 (pulling stuff from book 2).
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Post by: Super Dude on August 02, 2011, 07:46:20 AM: Well, as long as the book series finishes before the TV series, I can live with that.
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Post by: soundgarden on August 02, 2011, 01:00:40 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on July 20, 2011, 07:34:29 AM
(https://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/59/59170/got_jpg_627x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg)

Stephen Dillane for Stannis and Carice van Houten for Melisandre.

OH GOD YES!! He was amazing as Jefferson in John Adams. And the dude for Davos looks quite similar to what I imagined.

Still very impressed by this casting director, very very impressed. :hat :hat
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Post by: GuineaPig on August 03, 2011, 11:24:38 AM: (https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tom-wlaschiha.jpg)

Tom Wlaschiha cast as Jaqen H'qhar.
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Post by: zxlkho on August 03, 2011, 11:35:04 AM: I just got the books in the mail today. :caffeine:
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Post by: Zydar on August 03, 2011, 01:56:37 PM: Awesome show, can't wait for more episodes.
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Post by: King Postwhore on August 06, 2011, 06:59:33 AM: Some of you will get a real hoot out of this. Sona & SDN, I'm looking at you.

https://www.collegehumor.com/video/6579356/game-of-thrones-rpg
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Post by: GuineaPig on August 06, 2011, 07:05:06 AM: Two other casting things from a week ago I didn't mention:

Nonso Anozie as Xaro Xhoan Daxos

(https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/nonso-anozie-239x300.jpg)

and Gemma Whelan as Yara (renamed from Asha) Greyjoy.

(https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/gemma-whelan-240x300.jpg)
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Post by: Genowyn on August 06, 2011, 08:59:56 AM: I never imagined the Qartheen as being black...aren't they even described as being really pale in the books?

And why would they rename Asha? Weird...
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Post by: GuineaPig on August 06, 2011, 09:46:09 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on August 06, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
I never imagined the Qartheen as being black...aren't they even described as being really pale in the books?

And why would they rename Asha? Weird...

Qarth is a massive city, with lots of trade, and a large population of slaves. Ethnic mixing would be common. It's not a stretch by any means for Xaro Xhaon Daxos to be black; I can't remember quite how he's described in the books. All I remember is he has lots of jewels on his nose or something.

And I'm assuming they renamed Asha to make it dissimilar from Osha. Not sure it was necessary, but it's not like her name has to be Asha for plot reasons. Yara works just as well.

They've also cast someone as "Alton Lannister", who I'm guessing is going to be a mix of Cleos Frey and Kevan's sons.
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Post by: XJDenton on August 06, 2011, 11:57:46 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on August 06, 2011, 09:46:09 AM
And I'm assuming they renamed Asha to make it dissimilar from Osha. Not sure it was necessary, but it's not like her name has to be Asha for plot reasons. Yara works just as well.

I suspect this is the case. They also did it with Robert Ayran being renamed to Robin, so he wasn't confused with Robb Stark.

Also, Yara apparently is Brazilian and means "Water Lady". Fitting.
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Post by: GuineaPig on August 07, 2011, 06:34:00 AM: Roy Dotrice, the voice of the audiobooks, has been cast as Hallyne, the pyromancer.
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Post by: NecessaryPain on August 07, 2011, 03:07:46 PM: Have the books gone downhill then?

The reviews of Book 4 and now 5 have put me off somewhat. I hope they're not as slow as people are making out.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 07, 2011, 03:11:47 PM: I can't attest to book five, given that I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I love A Feast for Crows. It's not quite the magnum opus that A Storm of Swords was but it holds up to the first three quite well, I think. I need to get around to the fifth before I can voice an opinion on that one.
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Post by: Genowyn on August 07, 2011, 03:13:00 PM: Basically some people's issue with Feast and Dance is that they are a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of buildup, essentially, and we won't see the payoff until Winds comes out.
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Post by: GuineaPig on August 07, 2011, 03:16:12 PM: I think part of the problem is that a lot of people read fantasy books just for the plot. And there's a lot less plot in A Feast For Crows (by design).

But thematically it's just as strong as the other books in the series, and just as well written.
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Post by: Genowyn on August 07, 2011, 04:18:11 PM: Quote from: GuineaPig on August 07, 2011, 03:16:12 PM
I think part of the problem is that a lot of people read fantasy books just for the plot. And there's a lot less plot in A Feast For Crows (by design).

But thematically it's just as strong as the other books in the series, and just as well written.

:tup
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Post by: yorost on August 07, 2011, 04:59:07 PM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on August 07, 2011, 03:07:46 PM
Have the books gone downhill then?

The reviews of Book 4 and now 5 have put me off somewhat. I hope they're not as slow as people are making out.
It isn't about going down so much as that with large series there is often large middle bulk building to a huge finish. So many plot threads and things being woven that it naturally slows the overall pace down a bit. That bothers some, but others love it because the scope can be immense. There's also the fact that lots of people have way too high expectations for these two books due to the unusually long wait for them.
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Post by: GuineaPig on August 08, 2011, 10:18:17 AM: (https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/n8gh8rvyztc88cy-160x300.jpg)

Hannah Murray cast as Gilly.
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Post by: GuineaPig on August 10, 2011, 10:34:23 AM: (https://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk2MTIzMTcyMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjc3NjQ5NA@@._V1._SY314_CR183,0,214,314_.jpg)

Michael McElhatton as Roose Bolton.
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Post by: Genowyn on August 10, 2011, 10:45:54 AM: He looks good for the part...hope he can pull it off.
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Post by: zxlkho on August 10, 2011, 10:50:08 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on August 08, 2011, 10:18:17 AM
(https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/n8gh8rvyztc88cy-160x300.jpg)

Hannah Murray cast as Gilly.
dayumn
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on August 10, 2011, 10:56:26 AM: I'm going to start reading these books after I've finished The Long Walk by Stephen King.

Haven't seen any of the TV series though.
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Post by: zxlkho on August 10, 2011, 10:57:56 AM: Yeah, don't watch the show first. (though it is fucking amazing...)
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Post by: GuineaPig on August 11, 2011, 06:57:05 AM: (https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/robert_pugh.jpg)

Robert Pugh cast as Craster.
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Post by: soundgarden on August 12, 2011, 01:13:34 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on August 11, 2011, 06:57:05 AM
(https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/robert_pugh.jpg)

Robert Pugh cast as Craster.

*spoiler*
meh, i don't see the "i will breed with only my daughters and kill any sons" look on his face....
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Post by: soundgarden on August 12, 2011, 01:16:34 AM: Quote from: AcidRainLTE on August 10, 2011, 10:56:26 AM
I'm going to start reading these books after I've finished The Long Walk by Stephen King.

Haven't seen any of the TV series though.

As someone stated above, read the books first (though the show is in fact amazing). You will appreciate the show and the actors MUCH more for what they accomplish in the show.

You have till next spring for season 2, enough time to read the first book and finish season 1.
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Post by: Summers on August 12, 2011, 05:13:16 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on August 08, 2011, 10:18:17 AM
(https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/n8gh8rvyztc88cy-160x300.jpg)

Hannah Murray cast as Gilly.

Gilly? ???

Can't remember her...

edit: Nevermind, google reminded me.
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Post by: GuineaPig on September 06, 2011, 02:43:09 PM: (https://winter-is-coming.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/t_125561911720_AnthonyMorris-225x300.jpg)

The Tickler!
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Post by: kári on September 09, 2011, 03:49:20 AM: I just finished watching the first season (all in one day :D ) and HOLY SHIT this is so good I want the second season already!! I reckon some if not most of you have read the books... How closely does Game of Thrones follow what happens in the books? I'm not really a book reader, I don't know if I would enjoy them.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2011, 03:53:39 AM: I am just starting the books now. So far, I'm halfway through A Game of Thrones, and from what I remember from the show, it followed the book EXTREMELY closely. At least, so far. Other than a few actors being a little older than their characters in the book.
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Post by: kári on September 09, 2011, 03:57:45 AM: Yeah. :D
Sansa being 13 had me laughing, that was just ridiculous.
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Post by: XJDenton on September 09, 2011, 04:03:55 AM: Thing is the actor that played her was only 14. She's just huge for her age.
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Post by: kári on September 09, 2011, 04:13:46 AM: Holy shit, you're right! That's insane.
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Post by: XJDenton on September 09, 2011, 04:15:29 AM: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealityIsUnrealistic
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Post by: kári on September 09, 2011, 04:26:30 AM: Well, not exactly. She does look so much older than she is... 1996 is one year younger than my younger sister... I don't know any of her same-aged friends that look even remotely like the actress that played Sansa.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on September 09, 2011, 08:38:34 AM: Quote from: kári on September 09, 2011, 03:49:20 AM
I just finished watching the first season (all in one day :D ) and HOLY SHIT this is so good I want the second season already!! I reckon some if not most of you have read the books... How closely does Game of Thrones follow what happens in the books? I'm not really a book reader, I don't know if I would enjoy them.

The main changes are just things that are left out. And some added material that we didn't/couldn't see in the books due to the way the books are structured. (The books use POV characters for each chapter. So, some events can't be directly shown, if there are not POV characters present.)
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Post by: yorost on September 09, 2011, 08:51:03 AM: One big change, albeit not much to notice right now...

They killed a minor character that will be a POV in the last two books. Martin told them, but they killed him anyways.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on September 09, 2011, 08:56:23 AM: Quote from: yorost on September 09, 2011, 08:51:03 AM
One big change, albeit not much to notice right now...

They killed a minor character that will be a POV in the last two books. Martin told them, but they killed him anyways.

I'm drawing a blank on that one.
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Post by: Genowyn on September 09, 2011, 08:56:48 AM: Quote from: yorost on September 09, 2011, 08:51:03 AM
One big change, albeit not much to notice right now...

They killed a minor character that will be a POV in the last two books. Martin told them, but they killed him anyways.

Did he say Pono would be a POV? I thought he was just going to be a major character.
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Post by: GuineaPig on September 09, 2011, 08:58:20 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on September 09, 2011, 08:56:48 AM
Quote from: yorost on September 09, 2011, 08:51:03 AM
One big change, albeit not much to notice right now...

They killed a minor character that will be a POV in the last two books. Martin told them, but they killed him anyways.

Did he say Pono would be a POV? I thought he was just going to be a major character.

Does he mean The Blackfish? Was it even Pono Drogo killed? I can't think of anyone else.
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Post by: Genowyn on September 09, 2011, 09:00:39 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on September 09, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on September 09, 2011, 08:56:48 AM
Quote from: yorost on September 09, 2011, 08:51:03 AM
One big change, albeit not much to notice right now...

They killed a minor character that will be a POV in the last two books. Martin told them, but they killed him anyways.

Did he say Pono would be a POV? I thought he was just going to be a major character.

Does he mean The Blackfish? Was it even Pono Drogo killed? I can't think of anyone else.

Marillion and Pono were killed off prematurely. Marillion is important at the end of Storm, Pono is supposed to be important in Winds and Dream. Blackfish just never showed up for no obvious reason.
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Post by: GuineaPig on September 09, 2011, 09:02:04 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on September 09, 2011, 09:00:39 AM
Quote from: GuineaPig on September 09, 2011, 08:58:20 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on September 09, 2011, 08:56:48 AM
Quote from: yorost on September 09, 2011, 08:51:03 AM
One big change, albeit not much to notice right now...

They killed a minor character that will be a POV in the last two books. Martin told them, but they killed him anyways.

Did he say Pono would be a POV? I thought he was just going to be a major character.

Does he mean The Blackfish? Was it even Pono Drogo killed? I can't think of anyone else.

Marillion and Pono were killed off prematurely. Marillion is important at the end of Storm, Pono is supposed to be important in Winds and Dream. Blackfish just never showed up for no obvious reason.

Oh, ok. Those really aren't important, because they are completely replaceable by other characters.
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Post by: yorost on September 09, 2011, 09:17:14 AM: Depends on how Pono is used, a new character not seen in Game of Thrones might not seem right.
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Post by: Genowyn on September 09, 2011, 09:19:23 AM: Quote from: yorost on September 09, 2011, 09:17:14 AM
Depends on how Pono is used, a new character not seen in Game of Thrones might not seem right.

Well, considering MMD's prophecy is fulfilled at the end of Dance, I am assuming Drogo has returned from the dead, Dondarrion style. I assume Pono would factor into that story line somehow.
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Post by: yorost on September 09, 2011, 09:22:18 AM: I don't know, I just think it was a little callus of them to do that. If Martin bothered to say something I would tend to think it might be important.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on September 09, 2011, 11:41:03 PM: Well I watched the first season in about 3 days. I enjoyed parts of it, especially the whole setting. I haven't read the books so I don't know how they compare, but I will definitely watch the second season.

I would also argue that this isn't quite on the level of some of the other series HBO has put out (The Wire, Six Feet Under, Etc.). Just my opinion, however this is a good show worth watching if you are a fan of fantasy.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 10, 2011, 03:24:23 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on September 09, 2011, 11:41:03 PM
Well I watched the first season in about 3 days. I enjoyed parts of it, especially the whole setting. I haven't read the books so I don't know how they compare, but I will definitely watch the second season.

I would also argue that this isn't quite on the level of some of the other series HBO has put out (The Wire, Six Feet Under, Etc.). Just my opinion, however this is a good show worth watching if you are a fan of fantasy.
I don't know, I've watched HBO shows for, well, decades, and I thought the quality of work shown in Game of Thrones was consistent with their best stuff.
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Post by: GuineaPig on September 10, 2011, 05:08:33 AM: I thought it was sort of similar to Deadwood's first season (although I preferred it to Game of Thrones's first season) in that the quality took a big uptick after a couple episodes.
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Post by: Kosmo on September 11, 2011, 01:42:28 PM: Just finished the first episode.

Wow.
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Post by: Super Dude on November 03, 2011, 11:42:28 AM: Do you think the pilot episode will ever see DVD release? I'm hoping when the season 1 DVD comes out we might find it in bonus features or something.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2011, 06:19:37 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on November 03, 2011, 11:42:28 AM
Do you think the pilot episode will ever see DVD release? I'm hoping when the season 1 DVD comes out we might find it in bonus features or something.
What do you mean, pilot? AFAIK, there was no unaired pilot, just the first episode. It will be on the season 1 DVD along with all of the other episodes.
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Post by: Genowyn on November 05, 2011, 06:49:21 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2011, 06:19:37 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on November 03, 2011, 11:42:28 AM
Do you think the pilot episode will ever see DVD release? I'm hoping when the season 1 DVD comes out we might find it in bonus features or something.
What do you mean, pilot? AFAIK, there was no unaired pilot, just the first episode. It will be on the season 1 DVD along with all of the other episodes.

There was, the initial pilot was shot with different actors, some of who left before filming the main series began, so they had to reshoot the first episode.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2011, 06:50:12 AM: Never heard that.
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Post by: Super Dude on November 05, 2011, 07:25:53 AM: https://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Pilot_episode

A different Daenerys is enough to pique my interest. :eyebrows:
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Post by: Genowyn on March 31, 2012, 08:26:53 AM: Tomorrow~
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Post by: Super Dude on March 31, 2012, 08:29:21 AM: I have a midterm to study for that night... :'( :'( :'(

FML :sadpanda:
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Post by: GuineaPig on March 31, 2012, 08:35:40 AM: With the show's return, we should re-establish the ground rules:

This should be a thread for the TV show. It should only concern discussion about information conveyed in the TV show, or released by HBO. If you want to talk about the books, or how the show differs from the books, or anything else about the books, there's a thread for the books here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4956.0).

I'm very excited. The critical buzz has been very good.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 31, 2012, 12:42:04 PM: So excite for the second season! Bought the first season on Blu-ray for $50 (with a nifty little House Stark sigil thing) a few weeks back.
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Post by: glaurung on March 31, 2012, 12:51:46 PM: I finished reading the series (except for the Dunk and Egg novelas which are on the way) and got all caught up with the show so I'm ready to go.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on March 31, 2012, 02:26:56 PM: I'm super excited for the second season. After watching the first season, I decided to read the books. I'm a good ways into book 2 now...

I so badly wish I had HBO
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Post by: senecadawg2 on March 31, 2012, 02:40:49 PM: I'm thinking of calling up TWC and complaining about failures in my DVR. I have a buddy who did this and got his price reduced. Maybe I can do the same and get HBO
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 31, 2012, 02:44:02 PM: Can't wait for this.
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Post by: kári on April 01, 2012, 01:53:58 AM: SOOOO PSYCHED

I watched the whole first season on Blu-Ray again yesterday in preparation for the greatest day of 2012 so far.
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 01, 2012, 07:39:57 AM: I've rewatched 8 out of 10 episodes from season 1 this week, so I'm not letting myself watch the season premiere until I get those last two out of the way. Can't wait though :metal
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Post by: Elite on April 01, 2012, 07:46:11 AM: I will be watching this, but I was a bit disappointed in the first series in the sense that the books are 1000 times better.
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Post by: kári on April 01, 2012, 08:01:36 AM: Season 1 spoilers!!!

In the final episode of the series when Joffrey is bringing Sansa to Ned's head, he's talking about how he will put a son in her as soon as she starts bleeding and how Cersei says that that won't take long. Why is Cersei still in favour of Joffrey and Sansa's marriage? What use is it now? I don't get that.
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Post by: Elite on April 01, 2012, 08:04:32 AM: Because with Ned dead and Robb in war, Sansa is their direct way of owning the North through a marriage. The only one standing in the way is Robb Stark, who is the current heir.
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Post by: kári on April 01, 2012, 08:26:00 AM: So now that Ned's dead, the North is Robbs because he is the his oldest son. And when he's dead without children it will go to the son-in-law of his oldest daughter and not to his second oldest son Bran?

Also, what is up with the youngest Stark? I don't even know his name. He's played such a minor role so far. I didn't even realize he existed the first time I watched the series because when Robb goes to war he says to Bran that he can't come along because there must always be a Stark in Winterfell. Obviously that is not the reason Bran can't come because he is way too young but why didn't Bran go all "what about my ypunger brother?". Also, I get that NEd brings Sansa south with him for Joffrey but why does he bring Arya?
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 01, 2012, 08:33:50 AM: Quote from: kári on April 01, 2012, 08:26:00 AM
Also, what is up with the youngest Stark? I don't even know his name. He's played such a minor role so far. I didn't even realize he existed the first time I watched the series because when Robb goes to war he says to Bran that he can't come along because there must always be a Stark in Winterfell. Obviously that is not the reason Bran can't come because he is way too young but why didn't Bran go all "what about my ypunger brother?". Also, I get that NEd brings Sansa south with him for Joffrey but why does he bring Arya?

Really, what role could a three-year-old possibly play in the story, unless his siblings suddenly died and left him the only Stark heir? He seems a bit older in the show, but he is three when the book starts, so that's probably why Ned didn't consider him.
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Post by: kári on April 01, 2012, 08:36:06 AM: Yeah, you're right. But if I were Bran I'd be making much more of a scene about not being able to come along because "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell" is not a valid reason.
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Post by: Elite on April 01, 2012, 05:45:17 PM: Quote from: kári on April 01, 2012, 08:36:06 AM
Yeah, you're right. But if I were Bran I'd be making much more of a scene about not being able to come along because "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell" is not a valid reason.

Well, Bran was crippled by the time they left, so he couldn't really go.
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Post by: Progmetty on April 01, 2012, 06:49:51 PM: My wife and her family will be occupying our living room tonight for the season premiere of that show and I will have no choice but read in bed earlier than I usually start heh
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Post by: jcmistat on April 01, 2012, 10:40:03 PM: Going to wait until all the episodes are released and marathon it. Gonna be so fucking epic. Have fun for those who are watching it live.
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Post by: emindead on April 01, 2012, 11:19:02 PM: This first episode was kinda shaky. It got awesome in the last ten minutes but it still was... meh.
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Post by: Scrub206 on April 01, 2012, 11:28:29 PM: what? i thought the season 2 premier was phenomenal! theres a few things they left out tho but it still was very well done. I still reallllly want to kick Joffrey in the face with a rock tho :|
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 02, 2012, 04:31:53 AM: Agreed, phenomenal episode!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 02, 2012, 04:55:47 AM: Quote from: emindead on April 01, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
This first episode was kinda shaky. It got awesome in the last ten minutes but it still was... meh.
???
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Post by: soundgarden on April 02, 2012, 10:20:13 AM: Davos/Stannis/Melisandre trio is going to be great. I like the actors chosen.
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Post by: glaurung on April 02, 2012, 11:14:56 AM: I don't think they did a very good job of introducing Stannis and that group. If I hadn't read the books I wouldn't have a very good idea of who all of them are.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 02, 2012, 11:20:33 AM: I haven't read the books and while I don't know who all of them are, I could understand that that was Stannis Baratheon and the chick is a priestess from a religion that Stannis is taking to maybe gain people to his cause (since it's been said time and again that he isn't charismatic or inspires loyalty).
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Post by: Jaq on April 02, 2012, 11:49:08 AM: To be fair, the books sort of just did largely the same thing in introducing Stannis and company. Just "here they are!" It could be worse, though, the entire situation with Stannis could have been explained during an otherwise pointless sex scene. :lol

If I can find a .gif of Cersei bitchslapping Joffrey that's avatar sized I'm so using it though.
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Post by: Elite on April 02, 2012, 11:58:30 AM: Well, they could have put more of an emphasis on Davos, who will become one of the more important characters later. To be honest, I thought the episode was bad, but that's mainly because I thought that of the first series as well and because I don't really like the hype this show has been getting. The books are about a 1000 times better. I think if they would have spread out the story a bit more evenly, like say 15-20 episode a book instead of 10 there could be a lot more explaining and stuff. Very often it appears stuff just 'happens' out of nowhere and you have to guess what the hell is going on. It helps that I've read the books but I can't imagine anyone who hasn't done that knowing who the hell Hodor, Osha, Asha, Craster, Cressen, the Bloodriders etc. is.
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Post by: Ryzee on April 02, 2012, 12:06:09 PM: As someone who was a fan of the books first I couldn't be happier with this show, and that includes last night's season 2 premiere episode. From my experience with page to screen adaptations this is about as good as it gets.
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 02, 2012, 01:28:28 PM: I heard that one reason why HBO has kept it to 10 was that production schedule is rather short and budget is expensive enough as it is. Any more in terms of episodes per season will be a strain.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 02, 2012, 05:36:48 PM: So, I just ordered the first four books for $21.
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 02, 2012, 05:59:44 PM: I'd like to put it out there that I enjoyed that moment when Cersei and Joffrey were talking about the rumors they heard and that both had different things in mind.

Oh and that Joffrey is totally crazy for having the City Watch kill these babies that he though were his brothers. Boy is he in for a big surprise.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 02, 2012, 06:08:21 PM: I don't know if that's how it happens in the books, but from how Joffrey has been portrayed in the series (and even Sansa fooling him at the beginning of the episode) I find it hard to believe that it was indeed him who ordered the killing of the Baratheon bastards.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 02, 2012, 07:11:00 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 02, 2012, 06:08:21 PM
I don't know if that's how it happens in the books, but from how Joffrey has been portrayed in the series (and even Sansa fooling him at the beginning of the episode) I find it hard to believe that it was indeed him who ordered the killing of the Baratheon bastards.

Yeah, that was Cersei's doing, going by the book anyway.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 02, 2012, 07:20:21 PM: Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on April 02, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 02, 2012, 06:08:21 PM
I don't know if that's how it happens in the books, but from how Joffrey has been portrayed in the series (and even Sansa fooling him at the beginning of the episode) I find it hard to believe that it was indeed him who ordered the killing of the Baratheon bastards.

Yeah, that was Cersei's doing, going by the book anyway.
That was my #1 suspect anyway.
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2012, 07:38:22 PM: Love the actor playing Stannis, Stephen Dillane. Good first episode. I need to read the books after the seasons.
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Post by: SeRoX on April 02, 2012, 08:01:52 PM: Well, they started season 2 well. Bring it, bring it more.
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Post by: kári on April 03, 2012, 12:52:22 AM: Quote from: TVC 15 on April 02, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
I'd like to put it out there that I enjoyed that moment when Cersei and Joffrey were talking about the rumors they heard and that both had different things in mind.

Oh and that Joffrey is totally crazy for having the City Watch kill these babies that he though were his brothers. Boy is he in for a big surprise.
But why did Joffrey say "I heard a rumour about you and Jaime"?
Also I'm pretty sure that Cersei was behind the killing so that Joffrey (and others who haven't already) wouldn't be able to find out that he is the only blonde-haired son of Robert.
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on April 03, 2012, 07:17:37 AM: There seems to be quite a few people complaining about the casting of Melisandre on Twitter:

"petyr scene was silly, he would NEVER show his hand to cersei like that. melisandre was awful! shitty b grade movie caliber :P"

The actress is replying to some of it as well.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 03, 2012, 07:39:01 AM: Quote from: kári on April 03, 2012, 12:52:22 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on April 02, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
I'd like to put it out there that I enjoyed that moment when Cersei and Joffrey were talking about the rumors they heard and that both had different things in mind.

Oh and that Joffrey is totally crazy for having the City Watch kill these babies that he though were his brothers. Boy is he in for a big surprise.
But why did Joffrey say "I heard a rumour about you and Jaime"?
Also I'm pretty sure that Cersei was behind the killing so that Joffrey (and others who haven't already) wouldn't be able to find out that he is the only blonde-haired son of Robert.
You mean "one of three blonde-haired son of Robert". Myrcella and Tommen are "Baratheons" too.
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Post by: kári on April 03, 2012, 07:59:17 AM: Right. What I meant was that Cersei is the only woman who gave Robert blonde-haired children. Which could raise suspicion.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 03, 2012, 08:17:06 AM: Well no, that would diffuse suspicion wouldn't it? Because it wouldn't necessarily mean she's schtuping Jaime, only that the kids are blond when Cersei is the mother.
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Post by: Ryzee on April 03, 2012, 09:32:59 AM: Quote from: AcidLameLTE on April 03, 2012, 07:17:37 AM
There seems to be quite a few people complaining about the casting of Melisandre on Twitter:

"petyr scene was silly, he would NEVER show his hand to cersei like that. melisandre was awful! shitty b grade movie caliber :P"

The actress is replying to some of it as well.

:huh: I just don't understand. The type of people who aren't happy with a show & adaptation of this quality aren't going to be happy about anything I guess.
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 03, 2012, 09:34:32 AM: Quote

But why did Joffrey say "I heard a rumour about you and Jaime"?

I somehow forgot about that detail. It certainly makes more sense, especially after the Baratheons had all those ravens fly off to broadcast the dirty secret.

Carry on.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 03, 2012, 09:55:41 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 03, 2012, 08:17:06 AM
Well no, that would diffuse suspicion wouldn't it? Because it wouldn't necessarily mean she's schtuping Jaime, only that the kids are blond when Cersei is the mother.
The point was that none of the Baratheons had ever had blond hair, the dark hair was apparently a dominant gene in their bloodline. That was apparently one of the first indicators that the sons of Cersei were not actual Baratheons.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on April 03, 2012, 09:59:31 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 03, 2012, 08:17:06 AM
Well no, that would diffuse suspicion wouldn't it? Because it wouldn't necessarily mean she's schtuping Jaime, only that the kids are blond when Cersei is the mother.

Robert had like 80-bazillion bastards by women of all types, and all of them ended up having black hair. Apparently, it's a dominant gene or something. That he would have not 1, but 3 children with Cersei and none of them have black hair defies explanation.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 03, 2012, 10:35:13 AM: Alright, got it. I haven't read the books and I guess I just never caught that implication.
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Post by: Kosmo on April 03, 2012, 10:55:54 AM: So..many...characters..

It doesn't really bother me as much as it confuses me. There's always a few moments in an episode when I just think to myself: ''Who is that and when did they introduce him/her?''.

A solid start for season two, definitely.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 03, 2012, 10:58:00 AM: I'm pretty disappointed in critics who knock the series for not having a "main" character to focus on. Where were all these critics when LOST came out with its unfocused ensemble?
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 03, 2012, 01:40:36 PM: Quote from: Kosmo on April 03, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
So..many...characters..

The on-screen guide option for GoT season 1 on blu ray was a handy reference if you were watching the episode and you wanted to know more about characters, who they're related to, and even where in Westeros it happened.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 03, 2012, 01:50:07 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 03, 2012, 10:35:13 AM
Alright, got it. I haven't read the books and I guess I just never caught that implication.
You forgot about the episode in the first season where Ned is reading the Baratheon family tree?

"...first of his name, black of hair .... first of his, black of hair.... second of his name, black of hair... Robert Baratheon, first of his name, black of hair, Joffrey Baratheon, first of his name, blonde of hair"

Also, I can't wait to get the first four books in the mail and start reading them.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 03, 2012, 01:58:59 PM: I remember that, I just wasn't paying attention to whether the bastards had black hair.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 03, 2012, 03:03:41 PM: Ah, I see.
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Post by: kári on April 06, 2012, 04:47:18 PM: WTF you can already watch ep 2 and you guys don't tell me ??? ???
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 06, 2012, 05:14:01 PM: Quote from: kári on April 06, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
WTF you can already watch ep 2 and you guys don't tell me ??? ???
WHAT?!! WHERE?!
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on April 06, 2012, 05:26:13 PM: It leaked around the same time the first episode came out.
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Post by: kári on April 07, 2012, 02:20:08 AM: And it is fucking AWESOME
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Post by: Elite on April 07, 2012, 05:25:30 AM: Quote from: Kosmo on April 03, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
So..many...characters..

It doesn't really bother me as much as it confuses me. There's always a few moments in an episode when I just think to myself: ''Who is that and when did they introduce him/her?''.

A solid start for season two, definitely.

That is my biggest concern with the series as well. There's a shitload of characters (there's even about 20 'main' characters) in the books and sometimes they just seem to rush it when they're introducing new characters. I really hope they will expand on just the 10 episodes a book, because for a book like Storm of Swords (the third) I can't possibly see how that would be enough.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 07, 2012, 05:34:13 AM: I'd think that A Feast for Crows is even more of a worry for them. It introduces even more random characters that have never been seen before and completely abandons some of the most important ones to the show. There is also very little action, which audience members won't be thrilled about. Perhaps they could extend part of the third book into season 4 and cover the important things from A Feast for Crows during that season as well. As much as I like how loyal the show is to the text, I can't see them maintaining that loyalty realistically when they are on AFFC.
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Post by: Tanatra on April 07, 2012, 10:06:09 AM: Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on April 07, 2012, 05:34:13 AM
I'd think that A Feast for Crows is even more of a worry for them. It introduces even more random characters that have never been seen before and completely abandons some of the most important ones to the show. There is also very little action, which audience members won't be thrilled about. Perhaps they could extend part of the third book into season 4 and cover the important things from A Feast for Crows during that season as well. As much as I like how loyal the show is to the text, I can't see them maintaining that loyalty realistically when they are on AFFC.

It's still a rumor, but there's a possibility that aSoS will take up two seasons. Afterward, the speculation is that aFFC and aDwD will be combined in subsequent seasons, which is probably the best choice but I'm not sure how they're going to handle the lack of action in those books either. There is a lot I'm sure the show could leave out though. For instance, Breanne's search for Sansa could be covered in 2 episodes, there's no need to chronicle Samwell's entire time out to sea like the book, and the situation in Mereen was too drawn out to begin with.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 07, 2012, 10:07:17 AM: All of this discussion should be kept in the books thread.
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Post by: Elite on April 07, 2012, 10:09:26 AM: ... which I believe people should read anyway, if they're interested in the series.

Right, I'm sorry. I started it off, didn't want to cause any trouble.
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Post by: glaurung on April 08, 2012, 08:10:59 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 07, 2012, 10:07:17 AM
All of this discussion should be kept in the books thread.

They're discussing how the books might be interpreted for the show.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 08, 2012, 09:09:04 AM: Quote from: glaurung on April 08, 2012, 08:10:59 AM
Quote from: GuineaPig on April 07, 2012, 10:07:17 AM
All of this discussion should be kept in the books thread.

They're discussing how the books might be interpreted for the show.

And in the process, talking about future events that the show is years away from.

Any discussion about any information not yet provided by the show/HBO should be kept in the books thread, so that no one gets spoiled.
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Post by: glaurung on April 08, 2012, 09:21:04 AM: Could you just make this easier for me and read the books.

thanks
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 08, 2012, 09:45:00 AM: I have read the books. The aim is to protect people who haven't.
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 08, 2012, 09:58:33 AM: I don't plan on reading the books until after the show is done (which I know will be a long time from now), so yeah, let's keep this thread clear of discussion of events from future books.
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 09, 2012, 02:11:39 AM: Those Lannisters better learn to work together quickly. The walls seem to be closing in on them as everyone and their armies seem to be racing toward the iron throne.

I also can't believe Theon's sister let it go that far. Gross. It's a twisted way of having a laugh.
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Post by: glaurung on April 09, 2012, 04:36:19 AM: She didn't tell him who she was because she was trying to figure out what kind of person he had become.
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Post by: Elite on April 09, 2012, 04:47:22 AM: Quote from: TVC 15 on April 09, 2012, 02:11:39 AM
I also can't believe Theon's sister let it go that far. Gross. It's a twisted way of having a laugh.

That was one of my favourite parts in the books. George R.R. Martin really has some twisted, dark humour sometimes.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 09, 2012, 08:01:41 PM: I still find it hard to believe that Joffrey was the one who ordered the killings of Robert's bastards, just the way he's been portrayed makes it hard to believe. Though if they wanted to keep going this theme of "Cersei is losing control of everything" well I can go with that.
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Post by: emindead on April 10, 2012, 01:32:39 PM: NOW WE'RE TALKING. Second episode came back full throttle.

Good news, everybody!

https://insidetv.ew.com/2012/04/10/game-of-thrones-renewed-3/
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 10, 2012, 07:17:01 PM: Why was that little bit with Cersei and Littlefinger added in? Kind of goes against Littlefinger's character a good deal, and it doesn't really make sense for them to be setting up that kind of animosity between the two of them at all. (light spoiler maybe)
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Post by: emindead on April 11, 2012, 10:08:43 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/1LdYT.jpg?1)
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Post by: Super Dude on April 11, 2012, 10:15:47 AM: :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Sigz on April 11, 2012, 12:13:58 PM: Finally watched both episodes last night. Fucking. Awesome. Though they definitely didn't introduce Stannis and co. properly. Beyond Stannis himself I have almost no idea who any of the people are, hot redhead included.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 15, 2012, 08:19:22 PM: Excellent episode. The gay Renly part didn't seem very necessary, though. I didn't really mind it, but what are they trying to do with that? All I can think of is that it did sort of help to paint Margaery as a practical and cunning girl who knows how to play the game.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 15, 2012, 09:27:41 PM: Smart, Arya. Very smart.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 15, 2012, 11:08:58 PM: Well, I didn't like what they omitted from Tyrion's and Littlefinger's conversation and how the show has completely ignored that subplot.

Solid episode, though, and hey, no sexposition!
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Post by: glaurung on April 16, 2012, 12:04:46 AM: Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on April 15, 2012, 08:19:22 PM
Excellent episode. The gay Renly part didn't seem very necessary, though. I didn't really mind it, but what are they trying to do with that? All I can think of is that it did sort of help to paint Margaery as a practical and cunning girl who knows how to play the game.

Any to explain why she's still a "virgin" for later on...
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Post by: Super Dude on April 16, 2012, 04:44:54 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 15, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
Well, I didn't like what they omitted from Tyrion's and Littlefinger's conversation and how the show has completely ignored that subplot.

Solid episode, though, and hey, no sexposition!

What was omitted? Spoiler tags please for others, of course.
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 16, 2012, 05:18:30 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 16, 2012, 04:44:54 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 15, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
Well, I didn't like what they omitted from Tyrion's and Littlefinger's conversation and how the show has completely ignored that subplot.

Solid episode, though, and hey, no sexposition!

What was omitted? Spoiler tags please for others, of course.

I think he's referring to SPOILER

the fact that it was Littlefinger who set up his imprisonment in the Eyrie by telling Catelyn that the knife used to try and kill Bran was Tyrion's
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Post by: Super Dude on April 16, 2012, 05:25:09 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 16, 2012, 05:18:30 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on April 16, 2012, 04:44:54 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 15, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
Well, I didn't like what they omitted from Tyrion's and Littlefinger's conversation and how the show has completely ignored that subplot.

Solid episode, though, and hey, no sexposition!

What was omitted? Spoiler tags please for others, of course.

I think he's referring to SPOILER

the fact that it was Littlefinger who set up his imprisonment in the Eyrie by telling Catelyn that the knife used to try and kill Bran was Tyrion's

Got it, thanks. :tup
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 16, 2012, 05:30:14 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on April 16, 2012, 05:18:30 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on April 16, 2012, 04:44:54 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 15, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
Well, I didn't like what they omitted from Tyrion's and Littlefinger's conversation and how the show has completely ignored that subplot.

Solid episode, though, and hey, no sexposition!

What was omitted? Spoiler tags please for others, of course.

I think he's referring to SPOILER (not a book-specific spoiler, this happened in the series too)

the fact that it was Littlefinger who set up his imprisonment in the Eyrie by telling Catelyn that the knife used to try and kill Bran was Tyrion's
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 16, 2012, 07:41:11 AM: Yes, I was referring to that. Not that big of a deal but since I've really enjoyed Peter Dinklage's and Aidan Guillen's performances I would've like to see that happened.
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 16, 2012, 11:38:54 AM: I'm really relishing how Tyrion is methodically rooting out anyone who'd prove to be a problem for him later on. It's also good to see him install people he'd trust (even if not by that much) or establish alliances where he sees fit. That scene with the court advisers was fun to relish. It's like he read Machiavelli and applied those little pieces of advice about holding on to power.

Then there's Renly...disappointing in so many ways.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 22, 2012, 08:19:53 PM: The ultra-sadistic Joffrey scene was pretty over-the-top, even by HBO's standards, and kind of unnecessary. I'm not sure if even book Joffrey would be that extreme. Since they've already established Joffrey as a cruel prick all over the place, I can't help but think that they're mostly just trying to push buttons there. Cool episode, though. They're definitely departing from the book a good deal more than they did for the first book, if I remember correctly, but it's worked so far for the most part.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 22, 2012, 08:26:27 PM: That scene was necessary to make completely clear that Joffrey is sadistic boy. Yep Seth, they are departing from the book much more than with the first one. Combining things into one, changing the order of others, changing what happens to some characters and what others do, but I understand that those things are necessary to cram an 900+ page book into ten 50 minute episodes.

I don't know, I didn't enjoy much this episode. Roose Bolton wasn't introduce properly (seems to be a running thing this year), I bet no one will remember his name the next time he appears.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 22, 2012, 08:43:38 PM: WTF was that thing that crawled out of her snatch? Spoiler tags plz.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 22, 2012, 08:52:48 PM: I figured that scene would be a huge "WTF" for non-book readers. :lol

Well, it was a shadow-baby in the books, but I guess they thought a CGI creature-like thing would at least make a little more sense. I'm still kind of glad that they went through with the actual delivery, made it genuinely unsettling.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 22, 2012, 08:54:54 PM: Needless to say, my girlfriend freaked a little bit... :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 22, 2012, 09:00:37 PM: Yeah :lol
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Post by: Jaq on April 22, 2012, 11:06:13 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 22, 2012, 08:26:27 PM
That scene was necessary to make completely clear that Joffrey is sadistic boy. Yep Seth, they are departing from the book much more than with the first one. Combining things into one, changing the order of others, changing what happens to some characters and what others do, but I understand that those things are necessary to cram an 900+ page book into ten 50 minute episodes.

I don't know, I didn't enjoy much this episode. Roose Bolton wasn't introduce properly (seems to be a running thing this year), I bet no one will remember his name the next time he appears.

I've said this before, but it's actually a fault of the books that Martin tends to introduce new characters by saying "here they are" without much in the way of exposition and you learn who they are along the way. The TV show is making this dreadfully obvious though.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 23, 2012, 12:09:08 AM: I prefer that approach for novels but it doesn't work all that well when transported to the medium of film. I often wonder if I would have any trouble figuring out who is who if I hadn't read the books. I bet I'd be lost half of the time. :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 23, 2012, 04:50:37 AM: Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on April 22, 2012, 08:19:53 PM
The ultra-sadistic Joffrey scene was pretty over-the-top, even by HBO's standards, and kind of unnecessary.
Why is it unnecessary to depict Joffrey as the sick evil monster he is?
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Post by: emindead on April 23, 2012, 09:49:51 AM: Yeah, after this episode I can comfortably say that this is the best drama show to ever witness the light of day. I haven't read the books, and from reading a lot of comments HBO does take a lot of liberties, but I'm sure this (show) is one of the best adaptations.
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Post by: Sigz on April 23, 2012, 09:52:52 AM: It was an alright episode, but nothing amazing.

also, wat
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Post by: Ryzee on April 23, 2012, 10:12:34 AM: This was probably my favorite episode of season 2 so far. They are definitely changing a lot more this season and will probably continue to do so as the tv series goes forward and the source material becomes more complicated, and I'm fine with that. Any changes/additions they've made have been mostly true to the spirit of the source material and I have faith that the showrunners have enough respect for the books to not let anything get too silly.

The shadow baby scene was awesome. The Joffrey scene worked for me. If I recall correctly (it's been like 3 years now since I last read Clash of Kings) they show Joffrey entertaining himself by being sadisitic in other ways in the book so this was just a way for them to show that he's a psychopath while still meeing their weekly t & a quota. I like that Tywin Lannister is going to be at Harrenhal apparently. He's one of my favorite characters and I love Charles Dance's interpretation of him so the more screen time for him the better! Also, gotta love how he rolled up and was like "wtf, why are you wasting good manpower by torturing and killing these prisoners? Let's put them to work!" Oh Tywin, ever the businessman.
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Post by: Kosmo on April 23, 2012, 01:05:06 PM: Welp, that was an..interesting ending.

It was a good episode. Tyrion continues to be the highlight for me, Peter Dinklage is such an amazing actor. Arya is also a really cool character.
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 24, 2012, 10:26:48 PM: That baby looked like the bad guy from Fern Gully :lol
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Post by: Sigz on April 25, 2012, 03:25:28 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/8T2eq.jpg)
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Post by: Super Dude on April 25, 2012, 03:28:31 PM: Quote from: Sigz on April 25, 2012, 03:25:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8T2eq.jpg)

(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_1781_1328301939.gif)
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Post by: TioJorge on April 25, 2012, 03:32:45 PM: :rollin That's perfect.

Also, just finished the most recent episode and...wowee. This is honestly the first episode I've truly been excited about and really liked though; most of S2 has bored me to death (with the exception of the previous episode). But for the first time I'm really anticipating the next episode and can't wait to see what becomes of this crazy-witch-lady and her...er...'child'. I don't even really know what the hell happened to the thing. It looked like it grew into an adult (which would make sense considering her crazily quick term) from some kind of smoke monster. Never thought I'd use that word again after Lost...hopefully this one is a bit more interesting than that one.
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Post by: yorost on April 25, 2012, 03:34:24 PM: When something compares Al Gore to Ned Stark, it has gone terribly wrong.

...yeah, I get it, but so wrong.
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Post by: Ryzee on April 25, 2012, 04:10:43 PM: Yeah but that one tickled me the most. "Always going on about climate change" :rollin
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Post by: kári on April 26, 2012, 04:22:21 AM: Quote from: Ryzee on April 25, 2012, 04:10:43 PM
Yeah but that one tickled me the most. "Always going on about climate change" :rollin
Yeah, that had me like "huh" for a while but then it hit me. :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2012, 09:51:14 AM: *pictures Al Gore at a debate*

WINTER IS COMING

BITCHES
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Post by: Jaq on April 26, 2012, 10:21:13 AM: The Al Gore one has me in stitches, honestly. It's BRILLIANT.
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Post by: Ryzee on April 30, 2012, 03:25:20 PM: So that was another awsome episode last night! Very plot heavy and set up a lot of exciting stuff to come in the second half of the season. Me likey. Also that awesome shot of the brothers of the Watch setting up shop at the Fist of the First Men with the lovely Iceland scenery and Ghost just chillin= :hefdaddy.
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 30, 2012, 04:15:30 PM: I was surprised that Tyrion wasn't clever enough to figure out that he was the "monkey" being referred to by the rabble rouser. Man, I wouldn't want to be in Tyrion's position: the kingdom withering away because of discontent from the locals compounded by the full consolidation of the Baratheon troops.

I wonder where that leaves the Winterfell troops, now that they've lost an allied army and are being attacked in their homeland by Theon's navy?

Speaking of which...WTF Theon, this isn't the time to work on your Daddy Issues. Your *real* family has always been The Starks. You break their hearts by stabbing them in the back.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2012, 04:20:13 PM: He's paying the iron price.
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 30, 2012, 04:49:25 PM: Of course Theon hasn't received the message yet that no matter what he does, his father has already written him off as "tainted" by the influence of The Starks. He's more Winterfell now than Pyke. And the countrymen from his birthplace openly mock him too.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 30, 2012, 04:51:37 PM: Even if he realizes it, there isn't much he can do. If he fled, his sister would probably pursue and kill him, dying an alleged traitor.
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 30, 2012, 05:32:30 PM: I guess you're right.

It's really dumb though that he's pretty much abandoned his primary objective of getting some ships to fight under the Stark banner. That objective seemed secondary all along.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2012, 05:38:42 PM: Would you not done the same thing had you received the reception he did from his sister, father and countrymen? If there's one thing Theon is when it comes to his heritage is proud and he's trying to gain back pride while showing his father "I am worthy of being your son, your heir!"
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Post by: TVC 15 on April 30, 2012, 05:56:38 PM: Human nature is human nature on that end, I'd say.

One other development that's got me intrigued is how Stannis seems to be having buyer's remorse regarding the devil's pact he's made with Melisandre. Davos was smart enough to advise him about what to do with her next. I'm sure Melisandre's cunning nature has caught on to this plot to sideline her though.
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Post by: Jaq on April 30, 2012, 07:38:54 PM: Quote from: Ryzee on April 30, 2012, 03:25:20 PM
So that was another awsome episode last night! Very plot heavy and set up a lot of exciting stuff to come in the second half of the season. Me likey. Also that awesome shot of the brothers of the Watch setting up shop at the Fist of the First Men with the lovely Iceland scenery and Ghost just chillin= :hefdaddy.

I loved how that scene was shot. Ghost was just standing there being all "yeah, badass dire wolf here, whatcha gonna do? NOTHING." :biggrin:
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Post by: TVC 15 on May 07, 2012, 03:01:54 AM: Huh. It's either dudes unwilling to chop off heads or being plain miserable at the task of doing so on the latest episode.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 07, 2012, 09:24:59 AM: Some beautiful cinematography on Jon Snow's story this week!
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Post by: Sigz on May 07, 2012, 09:26:54 AM: Jaquen is such a badass.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 07, 2012, 09:28:15 AM: A man knows this.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 07, 2012, 09:34:44 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 07, 2012, 09:28:15 AM
A man knows this.
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Post by: TVC 15 on May 07, 2012, 10:09:48 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 07, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
Some beautiful cinematography on Jon Snow's story this week!

Been enjoying the scenes north of The Wall lately.
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Post by: Ryzee on May 07, 2012, 10:21:46 AM: So man, they really are deviating from the book a lot this season, but you know what? I kind of like it. A lot. I've read the books, I know what happens in that version of the story. Changing things up here and there on the show makes it more interesting for me, because now while I obviously know the gist of where things are going I don't know exactly how it will all go down. Me likey. Another great episode! :tup Loved the Jon & Ygritte scenes, and man are they doing a good job of making Theon seem like such a little bitch!
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 07, 2012, 10:26:27 AM: Agreed, even with all they've deviated I really thought this episode was magnificent!

I just hope the writers don't change a thing about the things that happened on the House of the Undying.
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Post by: TVC 15 on May 07, 2012, 02:32:56 PM: Nothing more satisfying than seeing an entitled little shit slapped in the face. First by cow dung, then by his uncle. Knock some sense into the idiot, Tyrion!
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Post by: TioJorge on May 07, 2012, 03:41:19 PM: "Demon monkey!?" :lol Love that man.

Recent episode was pretty good, I'm interested in what will become of those poor little dragons and where they are being taken to. I'm assuming it's the Undead place or whatever, but don't consider this a spoiler considering I know nothing of the books and have been a relatively casual fan of the show until a few episodes ago. I'm going back and watching S1 now.
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Post by: soundgarden on May 08, 2012, 08:31:54 AM: There were some great scenes in recent episode. Theon & Winterfell, Jon and Ygrette, Dany and that Qarth merchant (forgot his name)

Also, the actress that plays Margaery Tyrell might possibly be the most amazing thing in the universe.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 10, 2012, 12:44:29 PM: (https://i46.tinypic.com/35d70wn.jpg)
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Post by: Ryzee on May 10, 2012, 12:47:01 PM: Now wait a second you mother f! I made almost the same damn joke in the Marvel thread yesterday and I recall you being the first to be all :| which started a circle jerk of people telling me I wasn't funny! :lol

Quote
Here's what I don't get about Iron Man though- if he's a Stark, why does his armor bear the colors of House Lannister?

(badum-ting!)
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Post by: soundgarden on May 10, 2012, 12:54:30 PM: I would say that was a good joke. :tup

Also, Rickon is missing from that photo. Get it right :facepalm:
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 10, 2012, 12:54:31 PM: No one cares about Rickon!
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Post by: Ryzee on May 10, 2012, 12:59:37 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on May 10, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
I would say that was a good joke. :tup

Now here's a fine fellow- someone fetch this man a flagon of mead!
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Post by: ZirconBlue on May 10, 2012, 02:09:42 PM: Quote from: Ryzee on May 10, 2012, 12:59:37 PM
Quote from: soundgarden on May 10, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
I would say that was a good joke. :tup

Now here's a fine fellow- someone fetch this man a flagon of mead!

I thought it was a good joke, too. That's why I stole it and posted it on facebook as my own. :P
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Post by: Ryzee on May 10, 2012, 03:36:39 PM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on May 10, 2012, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: Ryzee on May 10, 2012, 12:59:37 PM
Quote from: soundgarden on May 10, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
I would say that was a good joke. :tup

Now here's a fine fellow- someone fetch this man a flagon of mead!

I thought it was a good joke, too. That's why I stole it and posted it on facebook as my own. :P

:omg: Where are my royalties!?

Nah no worries dude, I don't seek personal glory. I'm all about what's good for the realm as a whole. I'm kind of like Varys, 'cept I still have my penis.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 10, 2012, 03:55:07 PM: Finally saw the episode today. Holy shit in a handbag.
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Post by: Jaq on May 10, 2012, 04:05:57 PM: Quote from: TioJorge on May 07, 2012, 03:41:19 PM
"Demon monkey!?" :lol Love that man.

Recent episode was pretty good, I'm interested in what will become of those poor little dragons and where they are being taken to. I'm assuming it's the Undead place or whatever, but don't consider this a spoiler considering I know nothing of the books and have been a relatively casual fan of the show until a few episodes ago. I'm going back and watching S1 now.

Not to worry, the dragon kidnapping isn't in the books. Dany's subplots in the second book are a little slow, so I guess they decided to spice them up some.
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Post by: SeRoX on May 10, 2012, 06:29:01 PM: In the last episode I really found funny the scene where the bastard and the girl flirting due to coldness.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2012, 01:43:55 PM: I'm finally caught up on this season. Wow. This show may now be my favorite on TV. This season gets more intense by the episode and the characters and scenery are beyond amazing. I find this season so far to be a lot better than the first and that's not to say the first was bad, I just wasn't so consumed in the 7 kingdoms as I am now.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 11, 2012, 02:24:43 PM: I would go the opposite way: last season was brilliant and I couldn't get enough of it. This season for me was slow to pick up pace but the last couple episodes have been dynamite.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on May 11, 2012, 11:07:32 PM: I've been generally pleased with this season so far. Clash of Kings would be a hellish book to adapt, IMO. Game Of Thrones has a much more straight-forward structure, so I was a bit harsher on some of the deviations. So far though, Season 2 had a slow start, but now that it's kicked into high gear, it has been excellent. The changes to the book actually enhance the story and feel much more natural than before while in Season the additions usually amounted to either Ros fucking someone or two characters chatting about something.

So yeah, big thumbs up from me for Season 2 so far. If the quality keeps on going up like this, Season 3 is going to result in a lot of spooge-covered televisions.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 13, 2012, 02:06:27 PM: I think they are doing really well with parts of it. Tyrion's scenes have been fantastic (and I really have trouble imagining them otherwise since they're so well written in the books) as well as Arya's and especially Theon's. However, their adaptation of the Stannis/Davos storyline has been weak and, I imagine, very confusing for non-readers. Also, Qarth hasn't been very interesting, but I understand that they need to remind the watchers that Dany is around without terribly eventful things going on for her in the book's narrative.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 13, 2012, 02:47:16 PM: This is possibly the greatest .gif of all time!

(https://i47.tinypic.com/2942v88.gif)
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2012, 04:39:08 PM: That was an awesome bitch slap.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 13, 2012, 08:07:25 PM: Yet another fantastic episode. The interactions between Tywin and Arya are just full of win! In fact, most character interactions on this episode were very, very good.

To the other book readers, was I the only one who fistpumped at "You know nothing, Jon Snow."
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Post by: soundgarden on May 14, 2012, 07:07:03 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 13, 2012, 08:07:25 PM
To the other book readers, was I the only one who fistpumped at "You know nothing, Jon Snow."

I giggled like a little school girl to which my girlfriend looked at me like :facepalm: :|

Help on this (spoiler)
Also, maybe I missed it in the books and the show; but why was Theon remorseful at the final scene. Who were those two people? Seemed like kids from the farm nearby; but he ordered it to happen.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 14, 2012, 09:16:14 AM: PM'd you the answer, soundgarden.
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Post by: soundgarden on May 14, 2012, 09:17:13 AM: Yea, thanks. I remember now.

*major spoiler, don't even THINK of reading it*
I have a strong suspicion that I (a 6 foot 220 lb muscular guy) will cry like a little girl when Jon holds dying Ygrette while she says "You know nothing, Jon Snow." I know I will...
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 14, 2012, 09:33:03 AM: Spoilers too, don't read.

but that's like 2 years away. The executive producers have stated that ASoS will be divided into two season (no way in hell they can fit the book into 10 episodes) and I'm guessing they'll end the first season/part on the Red Wedding and that happens afterward.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 14, 2012, 04:54:18 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 14, 2012, 09:33:03 AM
Spoilers too, don't read.

but that's like 2 years away. The executive producers have stated that ASoS will be divided into two season (no way in hell they can fit the book into 10 episodes) and I'm guessing they'll end the first season/part on the Red Wedding and that happens afterward.

SPOILERS
So I guess Joffrey's death is still two years off?
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 14, 2012, 05:09:06 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on May 14, 2012, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on May 14, 2012, 09:33:03 AM
Spoilers too, don't read.

but that's like 2 years away. The executive producers have stated that ASoS will be divided into two season (no way in hell they can fit the book into 10 episodes) and I'm guessing they'll end the first season/part on the Red Wedding and that happens afterward.

SPOILERS
So I guess Joffrey's death is still two years off?
If they split the book like I said, I guess so.
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Post by: SeRoX on May 14, 2012, 07:52:53 PM: OH MY GOD! WHAT A FUCKING ENDING!

I just finished watching. It was a great episode, maybe the best since season 2 began considering excitement. I literally gaped at last minute. You fucking Theon!

I know children didn't die but still it's so exciting! and you Theon, fucking bastard!
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Post by: soundgarden on May 15, 2012, 07:14:15 AM: Jaime's speech in the last episode (and many speeches throughout the book) show why he might be among the most rational people in Westeros. He clearly sees the hypocrisy in the political system of Westeros. One cannot possibly be loyal to anyone since loyalty to one is almost immediately betrayal to another, even among allies. He asks "how can I vow to protect a king, and stand as he slaughters the people who I vowed to protect." Everyone denounces him as "Kingslayer" but no one praises him for ending the reign of a mad king.

The only logical place then to place loyalty is within oneself; the only vow one should make is to the interest of self. Become a great warrior, to defend yourself and ignore the hypocrisies of religion and politics. This is Jaime.

Aside from just being truly brotherly to Tyrion; I believe this is also why Tyrion respects and loves him so much.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 15, 2012, 07:19:39 AM: Quote from: soundgarden on May 15, 2012, 07:14:15 AM
Jaime's speech in the last episode (and many speeches throughout the book) show why he might be among the most rational people in Westeros. He clearly sees the hypocrisy in the political system of Westeros. One cannot possibly be loyal to anyone since loyalty to one is almost immediately betrayal to another, even among allies. He asks "how can I vow to protect a king, and stand as he slaughters the people who I vowed to protect." Everyone denounces him as "Kingslayer" but no one praises him for ending the reign of a mad king.

Aside from just being truly brotherly to Tyrion; I believe this is also why Tyrion respects and loves him so much.

I haven't read the books, but wouldn't that bit be complicated somewhat by the fact that he told Tyrion that his commoner bride-to-be was a whore he had hired for him?
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Post by: soundgarden on May 15, 2012, 07:22:12 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on May 15, 2012, 07:19:39 AM
Quote from: soundgarden on May 15, 2012, 07:14:15 AM
Jaime's speech in the last episode (and many speeches throughout the book) show why he might be among the most rational people in Westeros. He clearly sees the hypocrisy in the political system of Westeros. One cannot possibly be loyal to anyone since loyalty to one is almost immediately betrayal to another, even among allies. He asks "how can I vow to protect a king, and stand as he slaughters the people who I vowed to protect." Everyone denounces him as "Kingslayer" but no one praises him for ending the reign of a mad king.

Aside from just being truly brotherly to Tyrion; I believe this is also why Tyrion respects and loves him so much.

I haven't read the books, but wouldn't that bit be complicated somewhat by the fact that he told Tyrion that his commoner bride-to-be was a whore he had hired for him?

Tywin forced Jaime to do that. And Jaime, in a later speech, admitted his regret at the time and apologized to Tyrion.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 16, 2012, 10:15:33 PM: Just stopping in to say that I now have access to HBO online and began watching this series last night, only three episodes in and I'm loving it! I'm hoping to at least knock out one episode a night, tonight I did two, but hopefully in a week or two I can jump in this thread more in depth. Friggin' ton of character names to remember though.....
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 20, 2012, 08:46:28 PM: Blackwater episode looks pretty insane, movie-level production from the look that we got. I've heard that they asked for an extra 15% of the budget for it so I hope it's put to good use.

Anyway, the episode was a bit boring, but I guess the tamer one makes sense coming before the epic. The Westerling girl (who is apparently Volantene for whatever reason) and Robb's romance doesn't make nearly as much sense as it did in the book. He doesn't know that his brothers are apparently dead, nor is she nursing him back to health. Makes his blunder a whole lot less forgivable.

Disappointed that Arya's escape was so tame. Could've been a chance to actually see her do something. Also, something important later on was kind of supposed to happen, but it didn't. :-\

Stannis is still unconvincing.

Shut up Daenarys.

Besides that, everything else was fine. I still don't quite understand why some of the changes are being made, but as long as things end up where they should be I only have minor issues. Theon is fantastic, everything that the writers and the actor have done with him has been excellent. Looking forward to shit going down in the next episode.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 20, 2012, 08:59:48 PM: Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on May 20, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
Blackwater episode looks pretty insane, movie-level production from the look that we got. I've heard that they asked for an extra 15% of the budget for it so I hope it's put to good use.
YES! I hope Tyrion doesn't get another hammer to the face. :lol

Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on May 20, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
Anyway, the episode was a bit boring, but I guess the tamer one makes sense coming before the epic. The Westerling girl (who is apparently Volantene for whatever reason) and Robb's romance doesn't make nearly as much sense as it did in the book. He doesn't know that his brothers are apparently dead, nor is she nursing him back to health. Makes his blunder a whole lot less forgivable.
Agreed, it changed completely how he handles his mother and her actions in the show. Why change not only the name (from Jayne to Talisa) but her place of birth is a bit puzzling to me.

Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on May 20, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
Disappointed that Arya's escape was so tame. Could've been a chance to actually see her do something. Also, something important later on was kind of supposed to happen, but it didn't. :-\
To that point, the season finale is called Valar Morghulis, so there's still hope.

Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on May 20, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
Shut up Daenarys.
Her character has regressed so, so much! It's disappointing. Also, SHE'S STILL HASN'T GONE TO THE HOUSE OF THE UNDYING!!!
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 21, 2012, 07:23:06 AM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwgOzLG5IGo

0________0
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Post by: TVC 15 on May 21, 2012, 10:27:32 AM: Tyrion posting a threat on Cersei, even if it was sort of a bluff, was so chilling. Damn it, Dinklage...how do you pull off those great performances?
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Post by: SeRoX on May 21, 2012, 01:29:40 PM: So we watched the worst episode in this season.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 27, 2012, 09:18:46 PM: Holy shit.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 27, 2012, 09:20:15 PM: Brilliant. Can't wait for the next one.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 27, 2012, 09:20:23 PM: The Rains of Castamere, Seth!!! The Rains of FUCKING Castamere!!!
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Post by: axeman90210 on May 27, 2012, 10:00:29 PM: I said god damn :metal
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2012, 05:12:42 AM: That was pretty awesome.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 28, 2012, 10:20:55 AM: Oh my freakin God....when Tywin walked in and said: The battle is over, we have won! and the theme music in the background! :censored :yarr :corn :hefdaddy
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 28, 2012, 11:49:59 AM: Very cool. I had no idea that Ser Loras Tryell had teamed up with Tywin.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 28, 2012, 12:50:35 PM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 28, 2012, 11:49:59 AM
Very cool. I had no idea that Ser Loras Tryell had teamed up with Tywin.
You should've had an inkling, though.

Littlefiinger going to Renly's camp, Margaery's comment about wanting to be the queen, not a queen. Littlefinger's a schemer.
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Post by: Kosmo on May 28, 2012, 01:34:54 PM: Did they seriously just kill off Tyrion AKA my favorite character in the entire series?! My reaction if so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A)
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Post by: SeRoX on May 28, 2012, 02:28:32 PM: Wow, what a episode!

I love ending theme music.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 28, 2012, 02:47:33 PM: Quote from: Kosmo on May 28, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
Did they seriously just kill off Tyrion AKA my favorite character in the entire series?! My reaction if so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A)

They didn't.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 28, 2012, 02:49:06 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on May 28, 2012, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: Kosmo on May 28, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
Did they seriously just kill off Tyrion AKA my favorite character in the entire series?! My reaction if so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A)

They didn't.
SPOILERS!!
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Post by: Super Dude on May 28, 2012, 02:50:19 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 28, 2012, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: Super Dude on May 28, 2012, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: Kosmo on May 28, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
Did they seriously just kill off Tyrion AKA my favorite character in the entire series?! My reaction if so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A)

They didn't.
SPOILERS!!

Oh yeah, spoilers. Sorry.
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Post by: Sigz on May 28, 2012, 02:50:34 PM: I don't think they did, it's didn't look like a super serious wound.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 28, 2012, 02:51:22 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on May 28, 2012, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: Kosmo on May 28, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
Did they seriously just kill off Tyrion AKA my favorite character in the entire series?! My reaction if so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A)

They didn't.

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, although I do think he will be deformed now.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 29, 2012, 02:26:44 PM: Wouldn't it be awesome if HBO moved some of the budget they had for that horseracing show they cancelled to GoT so they could 12 episodes per season??
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Post by: Super Dude on May 29, 2012, 02:44:35 PM: Sex and the City was cancelled?
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 29, 2012, 03:25:00 PM: A budget increase would definitely be due next season regardless, considering how high the jump in ratings from the last season to this one has been.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 29, 2012, 03:57:26 PM: https://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/29/game-of-throne-season-3-cast/

Bunch of people book readers were afraid would be cut are now in, namely the Reeds, who should have appeared this season.

Hooray! (Still waiting on a Bastard of Bolton, but since he's been mentioned in the show I'll assume he hasn't been cut)
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 29, 2012, 04:15:49 PM: Read that earlier. Can't wait to see the Brotherhood Without Banners and the Bloody Mummers.
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Post by: Ryzee on May 29, 2012, 04:26:16 PM: Yeah I saw that earlier too, great news!

So it seems that a lot of people on the interwebs are confused about what happened toward the end of the battle and seem to think that Stannis was taken captive by Lannister men. Was it not clear that he was being restrained and forced to retreat by his own men?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 29, 2012, 04:57:11 PM: The finale this week will be an extra 10 minutes longer.
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Post by: TVC 15 on May 29, 2012, 05:25:23 PM: It certainly has to be that way for 2nd season ender. We didn't really see what happened to everyone else apart from what went on at King's Landing.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 29, 2012, 05:59:43 PM: The season finale is going to be incredible. I am kicking myself for getting into this show so early instead of waiting for it to be done and renting it all at once. Now we are going to have to wait many more months for season 3 :'(
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 29, 2012, 06:45:21 PM: And many more months for season 4 and many more months for season 5...
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Post by: Tanatra on May 29, 2012, 08:15:08 PM: Quote from: ClairvoyantCat on May 29, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
Hooray! (Still waiting on a Bastard of Bolton, but since he's been mentioned in the show I'll assume he hasn't been cut)

There is some casting evidence that he may appear next season:

https://winteriscoming.net/2012/05/casting-season-three-ramsay-snow/

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In the books, Ramsay is described as having a “fleshy appearance, with large, wormy lips, long hair … and pale eyes” (per AWOIAF). A recent casting breakdown for season three indicated that the production is looking for a “male 20-30, but weird and extreme looking.” Sounds like Ramsay to me!

Plenty of minor characters in aSoS that could fit this description (particularly in Jon and Danaerys' POVs,) but it is a possibility that they're talking about Ramsay. I could never figure out why Ramsay is such a fan favorite; he'll easily be the most hated character on the show for anyone who hasn't read the books.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 29, 2012, 08:17:58 PM: From what I understand, season 3 will cover the first half of book 3, because of its length. Also, maybe slightly unrelated, the name 'Storm of Swords' gives me a hardon.
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Post by: axeman90210 on May 29, 2012, 10:21:02 PM: Just realized I will be out of town (and I believe without HBO) for the season finale on Sunday. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL MONDAY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 29, 2012, 10:30:26 PM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 29, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
From what I understand, season 3 will cover the first half of book 3, because of its length.
Doesn't really matter since the exec producers have said they're not doing a straight book-to-TV after season 1. They're doing an adaptation of the saga.

Hence no Reeds or Bloody Mummers yet.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 30, 2012, 10:19:11 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 29, 2012, 05:59:43 PM
The season finale is going to be incredible. I am kicking myself for getting into this show so early instead of waiting for it to be done and renting it all at once. Now we are going to have to wait many more months for season 3 :'(

Eh. There's so much other stuff to watch that I don't really feel the wait.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 30, 2012, 10:51:58 AM: True true... I'm trying to get into the Sopranos right now, as well as Breaking Bad.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 30, 2012, 11:13:24 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 30, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
True true... I'm trying to get into the Sopranos right now, as well as Breaking Bad.

I just finished the 4th season, really good show! :tup

A good break from Swords and Dragons, Zombies and Carl, Alieninvasion and Bad acting! :lol
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2012, 10:29:19 PM: Incredible finale! Spoilers ahead, for those of you who haven't seen it yet...

First of all... WHITE WALKERS!!!!!!! It's as if this whole time all the petty 'kings' have been fighting each other in pointless wars instead of worrying about the real danger north of the wall. I can't wait to see how that develops.

Secondly, I was very sad to see Maester Luwin die. He was one of a few consistently decent characters.

Thirdly, Jon Snow really fucked up the whole situation when he didn't chop of the redhead's head, but damn... I'm happy he didn't, she'e a keeper. I was hoping to get a glimpse of Mans Raider (I'm sure I'm probably not spelling that right), but I can wait until season 3.

Fourthly, Theon gives a damn good speech.

Fifthly, Why didn't Sansa leave with the hound?

Sixthly, I was glad to see Tyrion survived, although not very surprised. I do fear for his life now that he doesn't have the protection of the gold cloaks, and wonder what Bron is up to now.

Seventhly, WHITE WALKERS!!!!! I knew they were out there, but it was still very exhilarating to see their army.

Eighthly, I'm feeling kind of foolish for not reading the books, and may go ahead and do that while before season 3 starts next year.

Oh and did I mention, WHITE WALKERS!!!!!

Well, that's all I got. Just some thoughts on what I think was a VERY well done finale.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 03, 2012, 10:49:51 PM: Mance Rayder*
Bronn*

Also, give some love to the Brienne/Jaime scene! Very antagonistic, yet supportive.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2012, 10:56:34 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 03, 2012, 10:49:51 PM
Mance Rayder*
Bronn*

Also, give some love to the Brienne/Jaime scene! Very antagonistic, yet supportive.

Thanks for that!

Brienne does have some balls... and Jaime has really grown on me, even with that business with Bran and the window.

Also, I forgot... Congratulations to Robb, but he is going to have some issues with the Arryn's.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 03, 2012, 10:59:06 PM: Freys*
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2012, 11:04:12 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 03, 2012, 10:59:06 PM
Freys*

I'm on a roll.

I should probably stop now... It's late, and I'm very tired

:|
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Post by: TVC 15 on June 04, 2012, 02:08:02 AM: One contribution:

Joffrey Lannister and Margaery Tyrell seem to be made for each other. They're like the Sid and Nancy of Westeros.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2012, 05:03:21 AM: Loved the finale.
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Post by: zerogravityfat on June 04, 2012, 06:10:45 AM: well at least she can stop bitchin about her dragons. :lol

great ending but now we wait for how long? is it september start?
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Post by: SeRoX on June 04, 2012, 06:21:24 AM: It starts April 2013.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 04, 2012, 09:04:58 AM: Quote from: zerogravityfat on June 04, 2012, 06:10:45 AM
is it september start?

I wish
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 04, 2012, 09:12:50 AM: Wow that was awesome!! :hefdaddy

I expect some big ass MoFo firebreathing dragons in season 3, infact i want Joffrey to be ass whooped by one hard! :flame:
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2012, 11:01:29 AM: They won't be big ass MoFo, but Daenerys' story should be much more interesting.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 04, 2012, 11:31:03 AM: Question for readers: is the third season going to cover the third book or was this season "part 1" for the second?
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 04, 2012, 11:36:44 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2012, 11:01:29 AM
They won't be big ass MoFo, but Daenerys' story should be much more interesting.
:'( + :tup
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 04, 2012, 11:39:48 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 04, 2012, 11:31:03 AM
Question for readers: is the third season going to cover the third book or was this season "part 1" for the second?

I think the third season covers the first part of the 3rd book, because the third book (A Storm of Swords) is by far the longest in the series.

I think...

*Waits for Dimitrius to correct*
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2012, 11:48:07 AM: I'm not sure, the executive producers did say the next two season will cover A Storm of Swords but they haven't said if it's like half and half or anything. There hasn't been any word on how it will divided.

I think most book readers will love the next season to end at a certain part... which I will not say anything about.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 04, 2012, 03:26:00 PM: Seneca you are going to shit your pants quite often next season. It is going to be INSANE!

I hope they choose someone great for Mance and Oberyn.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2012, 04:04:55 PM: I doubt Oberyn will appear next season, maybe for season 4, but I doubt it in season 3. We will get Jojen and Mera Reed and the Brave Companions though! \m/
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Post by: cramx3 on June 05, 2012, 06:04:48 AM: I haven't read the books and i don't wish to be spoiled but I get the feeling that the dragons will be what kills the white walkers since they are only killed by fire. I kind of though daenerys with her wanting to take over and kill everyone with her dragons would be a "bad guy" but she has become a very likeable characer. I guess the same could be said of Jaime. All I know is this show is filled with great characters that I really enjoy watching, even Joffrey.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 16, 2012, 09:36:01 AM: Do you loved the show? Do you think the Iron Throne is one cool looking throne? You want to own a replica?!?! Now you can! For a cool $30,000 plus $1,800 on shipping!!

https://store.hbo.com/game-of-thrones-life-size-replica-iron-throne/detail.php?p=373634&v=hbo_shows_game-of-thrones&ecid=SMM-HBO-00396&pa=SMM-HBO-00396
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 16, 2012, 10:57:30 AM: Holy fuck that would be awesome! A little bit expensive though :D
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 16, 2012, 12:38:10 PM: Dear god.

That price, and it's not even actually made of iron swords. ಠ_ಠ
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 13, 2012, 04:47:43 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpSDSgChsaI

THE LIGHTNING LORD!!!
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 13, 2012, 05:00:11 PM: Jojen Reed looks exactly like I imagined him :D
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 13, 2012, 05:01:34 PM: The actor they got for Blackfish is how I imagined him. Lord Beric is a little older than he's suppose to be, but so are a lot of other characters.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on July 13, 2012, 09:43:58 PM: No Red Viper. So I guess he's gonna show up in Season 4 then.

Also, no Tormund Giantsbane yet? For shame HBO.
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 13, 2012, 10:50:37 PM: Tormund has been cast, that's been know for a while now.

Vargo is also being casted.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on July 13, 2012, 10:56:05 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on July 13, 2012, 10:50:37 PM
Tormund has been cast, that's been know for a while now.
Oh good, he's pretty important.

And he has some classic lines of dialogue. :lol

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Vargo is also being casted.
Really? Wow.

If ever there was a character that could be cut without harm to the story it would be him.

And the Queen of Thorns too for that matter.
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 13, 2012, 11:07:52 PM: The other characters who've been cast, HBO hasn't confirm this but like 7-8 different sites have so it must be accurate:

Tormund Gianstbane, self-styled Tall-talker, Horn-blower and Breaker of Ice, Husband to Bears, the Mead-king of Ruddy Hall, Speaker to Gods and Father of Hosts.
Anguy the Archer
Selyse Baratheon
Qyburn
Edmure Tully

So we will see Riverrun!
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Post by: GuineaPig on July 31, 2012, 12:57:01 PM: Michelle Maclaren will be directing episodes 7 and 8 of Game of Thrones' next season, which is wonderful news.

To those of you who don't know who that is: SHE IS THE BEST.
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 31, 2012, 02:32:11 PM: Ramsay Snow has been cast! ("Not Snow, never Snow")
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Post by: Genowyn on July 31, 2012, 09:26:22 PM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 13, 2012, 10:56:05 PM

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Vargo is also being casted.
Really? Wow.

If ever there was a character that could be cut without harm to the story it would be him.

And the Queen of Thorns too for that matter.

I think the Bloody Mummers are pretty important, and Vargo is their leader. Seems important enough.

And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Queen of Thorns responsible for the Purple Wedding in some capacity?
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Post by: The King in Crimson on July 31, 2012, 09:33:32 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 31, 2012, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 13, 2012, 10:56:05 PM

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Vargo is also being casted.
Really? Wow.

If ever there was a character that could be cut without harm to the story it would be him.

And the Queen of Thorns too for that matter.

I think the Bloody Mummers are pretty important, and Vargo is their leader. Seems important enough.
They're kinda important, yeah, I just figured they'd be one of those 'important but easy to cut' groups of characters.

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And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Queen of Thorns responsible for the Purple Wedding in some capacity?
They can change it or pawn it off on another character like Maegery (Sp?) or just have Littlefinger do it.
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 31, 2012, 09:36:47 PM: If they're bringing the Queen of Thorns they won't do that (but that's what happens anyway, technically). That's basically the only thing she does in the novel.
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Post by: Heretic on August 01, 2012, 06:37:39 PM: It's official. I have an unhealthy love of this series.
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Post by: Heretic on August 17, 2012, 09:44:22 AM: https://insidetv.ew.com/2012/08/17/game-of-thrones-mance-rayder/

This guy will make a pretty good Mance, I think.
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 17, 2012, 10:09:08 AM: Finally!

And well, it's a bit of a shame that Hoster will not appear, only because his burial would've been a pretty great image. But whatever, nothing important happens with him.
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Post by: wasteland on August 17, 2012, 12:51:03 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on August 17, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Finally!

And well, it's a bit of a shame that Hoster will not appear, only because his burial would've been a pretty great image. But whatever, nothing important happens with him.

Are you sure?

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8154/7672478270_de25a0f996_b.jpg)

(I hope that the third season will begin with the burial. Just that, with no introductive dialogue)
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 18, 2012, 12:19:04 AM: Shit! They filmed it?!?! Awesome!
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 20, 2012, 03:07:53 PM: Daario and Grey Worm have been cast!

https://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/20/game-of-thrones-two-warriors-cast-for-season-3

Honestly, the dude who will be Daario looks nothing how I've pictured him on my mind or how he's described, but it's not the first time it's happen on this show. Grey Worm looks like how I've pictured him, a bit younger, though.
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Post by: Heretic on August 21, 2012, 09:51:39 AM: Haha, Grey Worm's actor doesn't quite look as fierce as the description makes the Unsullied out to be.

And who knows, they'll probably spice up each actor to the point where they look nothing like those pictures. Looking forward to it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 22, 2012, 07:02:50 PM: (https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/imp.jpg)
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Post by: snapple on September 01, 2012, 03:05:55 PM: So, mrs. snapple and I finished watching the 1st season. We liked it overall, but we don't seem to see why people obsess over it. Is the 2nd season superior to the first?

edit: the way the show was shot was visually stunning. That and the intrigue of what the hell is going to happen next is what is keeping me watching.
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Post by: Heretic on September 01, 2012, 09:18:31 PM: Quote from: wasteland on August 17, 2012, 12:51:03 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on August 17, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Finally!

And well, it's a bit of a shame that Hoster will not appear, only because his burial would've been a pretty great image. But whatever, nothing important happens with him.

Are you sure?

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8154/7672478270_de25a0f996_b.jpg)

(I hope that the third season will begin with the burial. Just that, with no introductive dialogue)

Just the way this scene looks reminds me heavily of something out of LOTR for some reason.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 02, 2012, 12:32:58 PM: Quote from: snapple on September 01, 2012, 03:05:55 PM
So, mrs. snapple and I finished watching the 1st season. We liked it overall, but we don't seem to see why people obsess over it. Is the 2nd season superior to the first?
No, I think the first season is better. The third season is probably going to slay though. (I have read the books)
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Post by: Genowyn on September 02, 2012, 02:01:21 PM: Depending on how faithful the adaptation is Seasons 3 and 4 could be the best seasons of TV ever.
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Post by: GuineaPig on September 02, 2012, 02:18:00 PM: Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
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Post by: wasteland on September 02, 2012, 02:18:44 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on September 02, 2012, 02:01:21 PM
Depending on how faithful the adaptation is Seasons 3 and 4 could be the best seasons of TV ever.

It's their best chance to slay. The material is top notch, they only have to be careful and avoid stupid adaptation mistakes like Talisa/Jeyne and not showing prophecies in the House Of The Undying...
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Post by: snapple on September 02, 2012, 03:37:58 PM: We've been enjoying season 2 more, so far. We're only 3 or 4 episodes in ATM. We really like the Imp, but I wish he wasn't such a central character. The character is obviously strong enough to be one, but he's much more enjoyable in more of a supporting character capacity.
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Post by: snapple on September 03, 2012, 08:51:51 AM: Season 2> Season 1.
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Post by: TVC 15 on October 11, 2012, 01:51:50 PM: Time to lop off those legs! GoT posted a casting call for amputees that will appear in the Red Wedding scene.

https://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/thrones_seeks_game_amputees_for_Zyto2R89lJEQzWrG6sNoRJ (https://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/thrones_seeks_game_amputees_for_Zyto2R89lJEQzWrG6sNoRJ)
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:01:19 PM: FUUUUUUUUUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!
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Post by: yorost on October 11, 2012, 02:09:51 PM: We had a discussion about this a year or two ago, but Martin has acknowledged he is worried about finishing the books in time to finish the tv series. He is even worried about getting Winds of Winter done in time for the tv series. Winds of Winter as of this month has ~200 pages close to finished and another ~200 in rough form. He had a head start from Dance of Dragon hold over chapters, though, and expects 1500+ pages of manuscript.
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Post by: wasteland on October 11, 2012, 02:15:57 PM: The Red Wedding. And so, at the end, we have come to this. Nothing will ever be the same.
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Post by: GuineaPig on October 11, 2012, 02:24:54 PM: Could we avoid talking about future developments for the sake of the non-readers, please? There is a book thread.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:31:56 PM: Quote from: yorost on October 11, 2012, 02:09:51 PM
We had a discussion about this a year or two ago, but Martin has acknowledged he is worried about finishing the books in time to finish the tv series. He is even worried about getting Winds of Winter done in time for the tv series. Winds of Winter as of this month has ~200 pages close to finished and another ~200 in rough form. He had a head start from Dance of Dragon hold over chapters, though, and expects 1500+ pages of manuscript.
Well, if he just stopped doing press tours, going to conventions and shit he would do it. But he won't stop doing that, for whatever reason you wanna think.

He should have around 4 years to finish the series though (approximately), since ASoS is being split in two season and then there's AFfC, ADwD.
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Post by: wasteland on October 11, 2012, 02:34:45 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: yorost on October 11, 2012, 02:09:51 PM
We had a discussion about this a year or two ago, but Martin has acknowledged he is worried about finishing the books in time to finish the tv series. He is even worried about getting Winds of Winter done in time for the tv series. Winds of Winter as of this month has ~200 pages close to finished and another ~200 in rough form. He had a head start from Dance of Dragon hold over chapters, though, and expects 1500+ pages of manuscript.
Well, if he just stopped doing press tours, going to conventions and shit he would do it. But he won't stop doing that, for whatever reason you wanna think.

He should have around 4 years to finish the series though (approximately), since ASoS is being split in two season and then there's AFfC, ADwD.

I think AFFC and ADWD will take more than two seasons. Three, most likely.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:36:32 PM: Quote from: wasteland on October 11, 2012, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: yorost on October 11, 2012, 02:09:51 PM
We had a discussion about this a year or two ago, but Martin has acknowledged he is worried about finishing the books in time to finish the tv series. He is even worried about getting Winds of Winter done in time for the tv series. Winds of Winter as of this month has ~200 pages close to finished and another ~200 in rough form. He had a head start from Dance of Dragon hold over chapters, though, and expects 1500+ pages of manuscript.
Well, if he just stopped doing press tours, going to conventions and shit he would do it. But he won't stop doing that, for whatever reason you wanna think.

He should have around 4 years to finish the series though (approximately), since ASoS is being split in two season and then there's AFfC, ADwD.

I think AFFC and ADWD will take more than two seasons. Three, most likely.
I don't know, I have a feeling they'll mix the two of them together because AFfC is kinda slow and both books are happening simultaneously anyway.

But I read that they're bringing one storyline from ADwD to this third season of the show, the best story arc from that book (that should be all the info you need to figure it out).
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Post by: yorost on October 11, 2012, 02:44:40 PM: I can't even remember what the best arc from ADwD's was, can you pm me? :lol In the end, though, when Martin is expressing a worry about finishing I think the speculation many of us had about the prospect of the tv show beating the books becomes a very realistic problem. I wonder if he will cave and let the tv show tell a version of the story first.
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Post by: wasteland on October 11, 2012, 02:54:56 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: wasteland on October 11, 2012, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: yorost on October 11, 2012, 02:09:51 PM
We had a discussion about this a year or two ago, but Martin has acknowledged he is worried about finishing the books in time to finish the tv series. He is even worried about getting Winds of Winter done in time for the tv series. Winds of Winter as of this month has ~200 pages close to finished and another ~200 in rough form. He had a head start from Dance of Dragon hold over chapters, though, and expects 1500+ pages of manuscript.
Well, if he just stopped doing press tours, going to conventions and shit he would do it. But he won't stop doing that, for whatever reason you wanna think.

He should have around 4 years to finish the series though (approximately), since ASoS is being split in two season and then there's AFfC, ADwD.

I think AFFC and ADWD will take more than two seasons. Three, most likely.
I don't know, I have a feeling they'll mix the two of them together because AFfC is kinda slow and both books are happening simultaneously anyway.

But I read that they're bringing one storyline from ADwD to this third season of the show, the best story arc from that book (that should be all the info you need to figure it out).

AFAIK, they are not moving anything, they are just adding a plotline to fill a long lapse in the books.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:58:04 PM: Quote from: yorost on October 11, 2012, 02:44:40 PM
I can't even remember what the best arc from ADwD's was, can you pm me? :lol
Sent
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Post by: ZirconBlue on October 11, 2012, 03:02:09 PM: Quote
Well, if he just stopped doing press tours, going to conventions and shit he would do it. But he won't stop doing that, for whatever reason you wanna think.

Because he wants to have a life?
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Post by: wasteland on October 11, 2012, 03:14:11 PM: He has repeatedly said he's going to radically change his pace by the end of the year. I hope he really does, because I can't wait for TWOW. Sure, the show can't wait either: how weird would it be to see a 20 years old maisie williams playing an 12 years old arya?
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Post by: yorost on October 11, 2012, 03:35:31 PM: If he didn't radically change his pace he would take 8-9 years to finish Winds of Winter.
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Post by: wasteland on October 11, 2012, 03:39:23 PM: Quote from: yorost on October 11, 2012, 03:35:31 PM
If he didn't radically change his pace he would take 8-9 years to finish Winds of Winter.

Indeed. But it should be easier for him to write this time, unless some other major damps like the Mereenese Knot show up. He said he's starting to pull up stings, so it should theoretically become easier and easier.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on October 11, 2012, 11:23:44 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 02:36:32 PM

But I read that they're bringing one storyline from ADwD to this third season of the show, the best story arc from that book (that should be all the info you need to figure it out).
Really? Awesome!

I was wondering how they'd handle that.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 11, 2012, 11:27:56 PM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on October 11, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
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Well, if he just stopped doing press tours, going to conventions and shit he would do it. But he won't stop doing that, for whatever reason you wanna think.

Because he wants to have a life?
He can do that when he finishes the series! *shrugs*

No. but seriously, he ain't getting any younger though and I'd be really sad (and pissed) if something happened to him and the series wasn't over.
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Post by: wasteland on October 18, 2012, 03:13:29 PM: (https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8097298926_345b8bae69_k.jpg)
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Post by: Super Dude on October 18, 2012, 03:48:44 PM: Holy hotness. Even with that funny babushka thing.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 18, 2012, 03:52:15 PM: Nice to see someone who has the sigil of their house in their clothes like in the books.
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Post by: Heretic on October 18, 2012, 07:07:41 PM: *says Khaleesi at the end of every sentence*
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Post by: snapple on October 21, 2012, 06:59:25 PM: Apparently, he's only like 400 pages into TWOW at this point. I'm about done with the first book.

and

I want the fucking 3rd season to be done so I can watch it.
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Post by: Dimitrius on November 05, 2012, 09:14:13 PM: Apparently the drummer from Coldplay has been casted to play... a drummer!

So all I got to say about that is... BOOM DOOM BOOM DOOM BOOM DOOM
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Post by: MetalJunkie on November 05, 2012, 09:23:33 PM: Life-size

(https://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/f0d6_game_of_thrones_life_sized_throne.jpg)

Only 29,999.99
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Post by: Adami on November 05, 2012, 09:24:19 PM: Looks really comfortable.
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Post by: Dimitrius on November 05, 2012, 09:27:16 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 16, 2012, 09:36:01 AM
Do you loved the show? Do you think the Iron Throne is one cool looking throne? You want to own a replica?!?! Now you can! For a cool $30,000 plus $1,800 on shipping!!

https://store.hbo.com/game-of-thrones-life-size-replica-iron-throne/detail.php?p=373634&v=hbo_shows_game-of-thrones&ecid=SMM-HBO-00396&pa=SMM-HBO-00396
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Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2012, 11:28:39 AM: Why would anyone want that? Even King Joffrey doesn't like sitting on it.
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Post by: Genowyn on November 18, 2012, 08:07:54 PM: Season 3 announced for March 31st:

https://grrm.livejournal.com/299668.html
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Post by: Dimitrius on November 18, 2012, 08:52:13 PM: That was announce way back during the SDCC. :lol
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Post by: wasteland on November 19, 2012, 06:19:28 AM: Mild spoiler following: (read if you are past Storm)

I predict that in one or two years marriage rates among nerds will drop significantly. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2012, 11:06:26 AM: https://m.ign.com/articles/2012/12/18/game-of-thrones-season-3-to-offer-longer-episodes

To get the most on all the episodes will be around 57 minutes long. Sweet.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 23, 2013, 08:26:29 AM: First trailer actually showing footage from the season!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RzI9v_B4sxw

Do not read the comments on YouTube unless you want to be spoiled!!

But if you've read the novel, they showed some amazing scenes!!
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Post by: senecadawg2 on February 23, 2013, 08:38:17 AM: Awesome trailer! I ought to rewatch the first two seasons
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Post by: wasteland on February 23, 2013, 09:00:13 AM: It's almost time! I hope the next month will flow past as fast as this one did :tup

I am very looking forward to see all those juicy things you know and that I can't mention here :caffeine:
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Post by: snapple on February 23, 2013, 09:00:49 AM: muhhh dragonssss
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Post by: TioJorge on February 23, 2013, 11:44:24 AM: Dragon boobs mmmm
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Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2013, 12:09:19 PM: Winter is coming!
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 23, 2013, 03:24:09 PM: :caffeine: :corn
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 24, 2013, 05:01:22 AM: Absolutely cannot wait for this.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 24, 2013, 06:56:38 AM: Yea i agree, i cannot wait for this!!

:corn
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 24, 2013, 08:11:38 AM: So, I found probably the greatest comment about this trailer that could ever been written!

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If the season was 4 minutes long and it was Joffrey being gang raped by white walkers for all 240 secs, I'd stand up and applaud as I pre-ordered it on blu ray.

:lol :lol :clap:
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Post by: The King in Crimson on February 24, 2013, 12:59:05 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on February 23, 2013, 12:09:19 PM
Winter is coming!
Me too.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 25, 2013, 05:00:09 PM: (https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m61fohewEm1r38z3po1_500.png)

So true!
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Post by: Ryzee on February 25, 2013, 05:01:11 PM: He nailed it.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2013, 05:11:26 PM: Lol spot on.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on February 25, 2013, 06:05:14 PM: Man can't wait to see his face when he finds out how true he really is!
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Post by: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:00:43 PM: I know that I am very very late for the party but over the past week or two I watched the entire series (hadn't seen a single episode before). Absolutely loved it, might get the books. Cannot wait for series 3 to start either. Also I can't help but be in love with Daenerys.
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Post by: wasteland on February 26, 2013, 04:02:32 PM: Get the books! Now ;D

I hate/love Dany, for reasons I can't obviously tell you :)
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Post by: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:09:08 PM: It helps that the actress is incredibly beautiful in the series. Character wise I also really like her, although her story didn't progress too much in the last few episodes.
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Post by: PuffyPat on February 26, 2013, 04:14:07 PM: Having a season two marathon this weekend!
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Post by: wasteland on February 26, 2013, 04:14:29 PM: Quote from: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
It helps that the actress is incredibly beautiful in the series. Character wise I also really like her, although her story didn't progress too much in the last few episodes.

Once again, get the books before I send you a venting PM spoiling you the next three installments :rollin
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Post by: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:17:17 PM: Quote from: wasteland on February 26, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
It helps that the actress is incredibly beautiful in the series. Character wise I also really like her, although her story didn't progress too much in the last few episodes.

Once again, get the books before I send you a venting PM spoiling you the next three installments :rollin
The books are currently on their way ;).
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 26, 2013, 04:44:14 PM: Quote from: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
Quote from: wasteland on February 26, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
It helps that the actress is incredibly beautiful in the series. Character wise I also really like her, although her story didn't progress too much in the last few episodes.

Once again, get the books before I send you a venting PM spoiling you the next three installments :rollin
The books are currently on their way ;).
Good man! Good, good man!
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Post by: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:56:20 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on February 26, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
Quote from: wasteland on February 26, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on February 26, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
It helps that the actress is incredibly beautiful in the series. Character wise I also really like her, although her story didn't progress too much in the last few episodes.

Once again, get the books before I send you a venting PM spoiling you the next three installments :rollin
The books are currently on their way ;).
Good man! Good, good man!
I knew you would find that good news :p. I just need more of this, tv-series isn't enough!
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Post by: wasteland on February 26, 2013, 05:07:08 PM: Soon you will find yourself in our situation, that is desperately wishing for more and cursing the all too slow ticking of the clock.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 26, 2013, 05:29:51 PM: Quote from: wasteland on February 26, 2013, 05:07:08 PM
Soon you will find yourself in our situation, that is desperately wishing for more and cursing the all too slow ~~ticking of the clock.~~ writing of GRRM
Fix'd for me.

But you'll love the books Sander! You will get so much more details and backstory that it's amazing! Also, just try to keep track of the gazillion of characters that will appear. :lol I think there's something like over 1000 named characters so far.
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Post by: Ryzee on February 26, 2013, 05:58:42 PM: How lucky are we ASOIAF fans that our beloved book series was turned in to a t.v. series that not only doesn't suck, but is freaking amazing?!
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Post by: wasteland on February 27, 2013, 04:30:37 AM: Quote from: Ryzee on February 26, 2013, 05:58:42 PM
How lucky are we ASOIAF fans that our beloved book series was turned in to a t.v. series that not only doesn't suck, but is freaking amazing?!

Well, some of us think that the show actually sucks :P I'm lucky not to be one of them. :azn:

Quote from: Dimitrius on February 26, 2013, 05:29:51 PM
Also, just try to keep track of the gazillion of characters that will appear. :lol I think there's something like over 1000 named characters so far.

A couple of days ago I had this name in my head (Harry Strickland) and it took me a couple of minutes to realize where it came from :lol
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Post by: TheVoxyn on February 27, 2013, 10:53:46 AM: Read a bunch of chapters of the first book already, definitely enjoying it.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 03, 2013, 12:18:17 PM: Extended version of last week's trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C1pbtBX9Kok

A few new parts added, some other extended, so many Jaime/Brienne goodness!!
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Post by: masterthes on March 11, 2013, 05:36:22 AM: All caught up with season 2. I feel ashamed I totally didn't keep with it last year. I'm hoping to change that this year
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Post by: Tanatra on March 11, 2013, 08:06:46 AM: Saw this posted at Winter is Coming:

https://www.youtube.com/user/schoolofthrones

It's fan-made high school parody of Game of Thrones. Fans who lack a sense of humor are already cringing at it, (admittedly, it is kind of ridiculous) but there are a lot of little references to the books, the girl who plays Sansa is pretty hot, and :lol at the Greyjoys.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2013, 09:10:00 AM: :rollin :rollin

I laughed more that I should've at "we are Starks, our way is the vintage way" *touches hipster glasses*

The girl playing Sansa and the one playing Melisandre are pretty hot!
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Post by: wasteland on March 11, 2013, 09:38:25 AM: That was amazing and amazingly well done! And yeah at the girls being hot :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2013, 09:39:32 AM: I'm gonna also give props to Ash Burchill playing Dany, she's a very funny girl!
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Post by: wasteland on March 11, 2013, 09:41:52 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 11, 2013, 09:39:32 AM
I'm gonna also give props to Ash Burchill playing Dany, she's a very funny girl!

Ah, that's her then! She seemed to be a known face! (have visited her channel only once)
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Post by: TheVoxyn on March 11, 2013, 06:57:43 PM: Read the first book, enjoyed it a lot.
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Post by: masterthes on March 11, 2013, 07:03:55 PM: ain't nothing though to what's coming up
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Post by: TheVoxyn on March 11, 2013, 07:06:16 PM: Already started in the second book so I will get there eventually.
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Post by: Heretic on March 11, 2013, 08:00:09 PM: Holy crap, that parody was awesome. Looking forward to more from that! :lol
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Post by: Super Dude on March 13, 2013, 09:02:15 PM: GoT intro if it were from the 90s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fPgIIB67bw&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 13, 2013, 09:09:37 PM: :lol :lol

That dude also made one for Breaking Bad that was so awesome! Make's the show look very inspirational.
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Post by: perfey on March 14, 2013, 03:12:10 PM: ^^Haha saw those + the walking dead one, nostalgia :rollin.
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Post by: TioJorge on March 14, 2013, 05:11:47 PM: :laugh:

Rewatching the series to gear up for the new ones. This is such an awesome show. I'll read the books one day, but for now this has my undivided interest. I've only seen them once and I really wasn't into it for some reason, and after watching the first episode now I'm hooked. Dunno. I'm into it all of a sudden so woot for S3! *Starts S01E03*
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Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2013, 06:45:48 PM: Just got season two on blu ray and a dance with dragons part 1 soft cover from Europe. Getting myself all back in the mood for the best show on TV.
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 15, 2013, 02:55:30 AM: Re-watching the series now! It's even better cos I've read the books since I last watched it :D
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 19, 2013, 10:41:19 AM: Just came to ask that question: How do you guys prepare for season 3?

Do you re-watch all the seasons?
Re-watch the last episode?
Recap by reading online or something?
Do nothing and instead watch the recap before S03E01?

I don't have time to re-watch all the seasons but i still hate the feeling of being lost in the story in the beginning of a new season. I might re-watch the last episode.
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Post by: kári on March 19, 2013, 10:48:10 AM: I rewatched S02 two weeks ago. :)
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Post by: TioJorge on March 19, 2013, 10:55:15 AM: I'm re-watching the series. Currently on S2 E4
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 19, 2013, 10:57:43 AM: I rewatched the season, but also re-read the book to remember the differences between the two.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 19, 2013, 12:44:57 PM: I've been reading the books since the summer and rewatched the first two seasons after reading each of the first two books so I've been pretty up to date.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 19, 2013, 01:29:22 PM: Damn y'all been busy! Now i feel behind, i might have to re-think my weekend plans. :-\

Edit: I found this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bzxOv-KF9do).

https://screencrush.com/game-of-thrones-season-1-2-recap/
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Post by: TVC 15 on March 19, 2013, 01:37:21 PM: Started the run of the second season on blu ray last night. I viewed it with the in-episode guide which lists characters in the scene, location, and even animated cut-aways to the historical context of what's being referenced, if there is one. Love the character narration on those in-episode featurettes.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 19, 2013, 02:17:04 PM: The features on the blu ray like that are really cool. Helps with character identification which is big for a series with so many characters.
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Post by: TheVoxyn on March 19, 2013, 07:03:27 PM: Finished reading the second book yesterday. About caught up with the series now, time to read some stuff which is actually new to me.
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Post by: wasteland on March 20, 2013, 05:10:02 AM: So, are you going to read the third book now or will you wait for the 3rd season to finish before?

And, what do you think of the substantial differences between ACOK and the second season? :)
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 20, 2013, 05:14:05 AM: Finished the third book! Bring on number four :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on March 20, 2013, 05:17:47 AM: Quote from: Silver Tears on March 20, 2013, 05:14:05 AM
Finished the third book! Bring on number four :biggrin:

It's the best them, right? :D
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Post by: Silver Tears on March 20, 2013, 05:18:48 AM: T'was pretty great but I gotta finish with the rest first then I'll get back to you :laugh:
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Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2013, 06:19:59 AM: The 3rd book is by far the best so that makes me really excited for this season. The 4th book is kind of a let down, but I think the show can still be good cause they can merge books 4 and 5.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 20, 2013, 03:09:57 PM: https://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/19/game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin-talks-got-prequel-series

I've not read any of the Dunk and Egg books, but I'm aware of some of the history of Duncan the Tall and Aegon V through ASoIaF so I'd be all for that!
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Post by: wasteland on March 21, 2013, 01:15:25 AM: I would love to see a Dunk and Egg series coming to life, as long as they show Summerhall.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 21, 2013, 10:10:06 AM: That would be quite a way to end the series!
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Post by: wasteland on March 21, 2013, 01:05:34 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 21, 2013, 10:10:06 AM
That would be quite a way to end the series!

Infuckingdeed! It's interesting that GRRM mentioned that he plans to write and release another 9 or 10 D&E novellas, before bringing the series to a close. Which is funny, since he releases them once in four/five years :D
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM: He needs to stop fucking around with that and finish the main series.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 21, 2013, 01:31:07 PM: Amen!
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Post by: wasteland on March 21, 2013, 04:12:22 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
He needs to stop fucking around with that and finish the main series.

Nailed. I'm starting to think we won't see Winds before the second half of 2015... :\
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Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2013, 04:27:02 PM: Its pretty depressing to know that once I'm done with aDwD that I'm going to have to wait so long for the next book and then wait even longer after that.
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Post by: TioJorge on March 21, 2013, 08:16:30 PM: Every time I want to start reading the books I remember the story isn't finished and posts like that will be made very frequently given how much I'm starting to like the show and considering I've heard nothing but that the books are even better.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on March 22, 2013, 09:42:17 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 21, 2013, 04:27:02 PM
Its pretty depressing to know that once I'm done with aDwD that I'm going to have to wait so long for the next book and then wait even longer after that.

Have you read the Dunk and Egg stories, yet?
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Post by: cramx3 on March 22, 2013, 10:58:40 AM: Nope. Not familiar with them.
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Post by: yorost on March 22, 2013, 10:59:57 AM: Shorts, they're also in comic form by the Dabel Brothers, so done pretty well.
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Post by: masterthes on March 22, 2013, 11:23:13 AM: I thought he was pretty much done with Winds
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Post by: yorost on March 22, 2013, 11:27:03 AM: Not even close.

One year ago he had what is likely well less than 20% of the book finished, and that was with the head start from leftover chapters of Dragon. I've been expecting it, but he has openly acknowledged he might not finish the books before HBO catches up.

edit: And an FYI, he reiterated very recently Winds of Winter is not close.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 22, 2013, 12:22:36 PM: This week there was a panel for the series where he said something about he's hoping the next 3 books take about 4 seasons so by the time they're finished with AFfC/ADwD (since they run parallel) Winds is already out and he's working on Spring.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on March 22, 2013, 12:33:46 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 22, 2013, 12:22:36 PM
This week there was a panel for the series where he said something about he's hoping the next 3 books take about 4 seasons so by the time they're finished with AFfC/ADwD (since they run parallel) Winds is already out and he's working on Spring.

Wait, did he officially switch on a 8-books plan? Last time I remember he was still hoping to wrap the storyline in 7!
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 22, 2013, 12:38:00 PM: I meant 3 including ASoS because the show is already splitting Swords and they'll probably do the same with AFfC/ADwD (in that it'll probably take 2 season to cover everything that happens in these two).
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Post by: ZirconBlue on March 22, 2013, 12:46:55 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 22, 2013, 10:58:40 AM
Nope. Not familiar with them.

They're novellas set about 100 years prior to A Game of Thrones. There are 3 of them, so far.
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Post by: yorost on March 22, 2013, 12:49:04 PM: Quote from: wasteland on March 22, 2013, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on March 22, 2013, 12:22:36 PM
This week there was a panel for the series where he said something about he's hoping the next 3 books take about 4 seasons so by the time they're finished with AFfC/ADwD (since they run parallel) Winds is already out and he's working on Spring.

Wait, did he officially switch on a 8-books plan? Last time I remember he was still hoping to wrap the storyline in 7!
Winds is supposed to be one book, but he has been pragmatic in saying he might be forced to change his mind again as the manuscript pages start to pile up.
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Post by: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 02:20:15 AM: So, he is indeed writing. This, at last...
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Post by: masterthes on March 23, 2013, 12:51:46 PM: I hate that these fantasy writers get so overwhelmed. Look what happened to Robert Jordan after all
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 12:53:26 PM: Quote from: masterthes on March 23, 2013, 12:51:46 PM
I hate that these fantasy writers get so overwhelmed. Look what happened to Robert Jordan after all

What happened to him?
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 23, 2013, 01:12:57 PM: He died before he finished his Wheel of Time series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 29, 2013, 12:27:29 PM: Seasons on 'Game of Thrones' Planet: How They Work (https://www.space.com/20433-game-of-thrones-seasons-science.html)
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Post by: wasteland on March 29, 2013, 12:36:39 PM: George said that the explaination of the extreme variability of seasons will be provided and that it will of supernatural nature. Still, those articles are very cool, like everything spreading a bit of science to the greater public :tup
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 29, 2013, 01:27:45 PM: But wait, there's more!

Meet David Peterson, who developed Dothraki for Game of Thrones (https://blog.ted.com/2013/03/29/meet-david-peterson-who-developed-dothraki-for-hbos-game-of-thrones/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TEDBlog+%28TEDBlog%29)
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Post by: Tanatra on March 29, 2013, 11:22:36 PM: Yet more GoT humor:

https://www.collegehumor.com/video/6880313/game-of-thrones-wish-fulfillment
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Post by: wasteland on March 30, 2013, 03:36:14 AM: Your avatar pic is disquieting, sir :mehlin
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Post by: Tanatra on March 30, 2013, 10:22:39 AM: Quote from: wasteland on March 30, 2013, 03:36:14 AM
Your avatar pic is disquieting, sir :mehlin

Yet everyone insists that I keep it. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=32933.msg1337079#msg1337079)
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 31, 2013, 08:04:11 PM: Great episode is great
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Post by: Scrub206 on March 31, 2013, 08:12:38 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 31, 2013, 08:04:11 PM
Great episode is great

hell yes it was!
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Post by: Tanatra on March 31, 2013, 08:16:47 PM: Sadly, in order to watch this I'm going to have to go over to a friend's house tomorrow and download it. :(

I really, truly, tried to upgrade my cable so that I could watch this legitimately, but Comcast is just too much of a pain in the ass to deal with, and my school has very strict policies against torrent downloads. Want to discourage downloading and increase ratings for your shows? Stop shooting yourselves in the foot, cable service providers.
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Post by: Scrub206 on March 31, 2013, 08:19:58 PM: There was an interview with George R Martin(?) that said that piracy works well for their show. so I don't see whats wrong with pirating the show :hat
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 31, 2013, 08:28:21 PM: More people watching, more buzz, more press. It hasn't hurt GoT ratings or how the seasons' sell on retail!
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Post by: cramx3 on March 31, 2013, 09:07:46 PM: Good episode that started laying the groundwork for the season. Not much happened overall but nice to see most of the characters. Kind of disappointed they skipped the whole battle with the white walkers and just showed everyone beat up and Sam running.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 31, 2013, 09:09:32 PM: *Shakes fist angrily at budget*
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Post by: snapple on April 02, 2013, 07:23:38 AM: Dude is right though, my nipples are 100% worthless.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 02, 2013, 01:51:32 PM: Goddamn how sweet it is to have GoT back! :metal

I'm so pumped right now. Good first episode and nice to see all the characters again.

"I'm Barristan Selmy, kingsguard to your father, allow me to join your queensguard....and i will not fail you again" -Cue epic music-

Fuck me that was powerful!!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 02, 2013, 02:14:43 PM: Season 4 officially announced today.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 03, 2013, 03:14:10 PM: To the surprised of no one.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 03, 2013, 05:33:38 PM: True, as they already have scripts being reviewed by cast members, but still... its official.
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Post by: soundgarden on April 03, 2013, 07:44:53 PM: Man, I really like the cast this season. I hope they use James Purefoy as Oberyn Martell next season, as it seems they have several actors from ROME.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 06, 2013, 05:30:24 AM: (https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/itscomplicated_zps7eaadbd1.jpg)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 06, 2013, 05:32:18 AM: :lol
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Post by: wasteland on April 06, 2013, 06:27:09 AM: Episode 2 preview, anyone? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFApyzhznH0
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Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2013, 07:05:06 AM: :rollin
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Post by: Jaq on April 06, 2013, 04:28:12 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 06, 2013, 05:30:24 AM
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/itscomplicated_zps7eaadbd1.jpg)

:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 07, 2013, 09:57:50 PM: Jojen, Meera and the Brotherhood Without Banners? Fuck yes!!
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 09, 2013, 12:48:38 PM: Must say I really liked the scene with Margaery and Joffrey this episode. Seeing her take advantage of the description of him by Sansa really brought home a point about what kind of character she is.
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Post by: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 01:33:24 PM: Purist are complaining about the Cat/Talisa scene. I loved it.

And:

(https://global3.memecdn.com/yeah-things-are-getting-strange-this-season_o_1240755.webp)
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 09, 2013, 01:37:45 PM: Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
Purist are complaining about the Cat/Talisa scene. I loved it.
Whyyy?? That scene was amazing and made Catelyn more sympathetic than her book counterpart.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 01:42:39 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 09, 2013, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
Purist are complaining about the Cat/Talisa scene. I loved it.
Whyyy?? That scene was amazing and made Catelyn more sympathetic than her book counterpart.

Some people just want to see the show burn... :yeahright
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 09, 2013, 02:29:32 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 09, 2013, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
Purist are complaining about the Cat/Talisa scene. I loved it.
Whyyy?? That scene was amazing and made Catelyn more sympathetic than her book counterpart.
Totally agree.
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Post by: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 03:00:33 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 09, 2013, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 09, 2013, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
Purist are complaining about the Cat/Talisa scene. I loved it.
Whyyy?? That scene was amazing and made Catelyn more sympathetic than her book counterpart.
Totally agree.

Absolutely. I even think there may be a little foreshadowing of events yet to take place in the next book in that scene, if you know what I mean :)
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Post by: cramx3 on April 09, 2013, 06:08:52 PM: I thought the Margery/Joffrey and Catyln/Talisa scenes were both great and both not in the books! They added a lot of depth to the characters.
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Post by: Tanatra on April 10, 2013, 02:14:47 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 09, 2013, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 09, 2013, 01:37:45 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 01:33:24 PM
Purist are complaining about the Cat/Talisa scene. I loved it.
Whyyy?? That scene was amazing and made Catelyn more sympathetic than her book counterpart.
Totally agree.

Because they're purists. They think that the slightest deviation from the books should be punishable by death, and have no grasp of the limitations in film (i.e., budgets, conflicting opinions of writers/producers/etc.) compared to novel writing.

David Benioff (one of the executive producers/writers) is actually a very talented author in his own right, and even better, he respects the books. Many of the additions & changes made - like Arya's interchanges with Tywin, or Loras never believing that Brienne killed Renly - are improvements in my mind, yet still would have fit right into the books. Granted there were a few things that weren't handled well: Jon Snow is my favorite character in the books, but in the 2nd season he came off as a bumbling dumbass who is nervous around girls, and his true motivations for going over to the wildlings wasn't made apparent enough to the audience. I will concede though that his portrayal in the show was perhaps more realistic.

Oh, and as for Talisa, there's a very interesting theory about her, and would explain last season's loose end of why she was apprehensive about going with Robb to the Crag:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTVnZm9hFg
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Post by: yorost on April 10, 2013, 02:49:46 PM: Quote from: Tanatra on April 10, 2013, 02:14:47 PM
Because they're purists. They think that the slightest deviation from the books should be punishable by death, and have no grasp of the limitations in film (i.e., budgets, conflicting opinions of writers/producers/etc.) compared to novel writing.
OK, I haven't seen a second of the series and agree with what you're saying about translation... but I don't get Jeyne being replaced. Her introduction was sudden, we only know anything of how it happened from, if I recall, fairly bare recounting of events. She should not have been hard to translate and even add other facets of the series into. What does Talisa bring that they could not have done with an expanded Jeyne? If the answer is nothing or almost nothing, yeah, I get why it bothers people.
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Post by: Tanatra on April 10, 2013, 03:27:48 PM: Quote from: yorost on April 10, 2013, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: Tanatra on April 10, 2013, 02:14:47 PM
Because they're purists. They think that the slightest deviation from the books should be punishable by death, and have no grasp of the limitations in film (i.e., budgets, conflicting opinions of writers/producers/etc.) compared to novel writing.
OK, I haven't seen a second of the series and agree with what you're saying about translation... but I don't get Jeyne being replaced. Her introduction was sudden, we only know anything of how it happened from, if I recall, fairly bare recounting of events. She should not have been hard to translate and even add other facets of the series into. What does Talisa bring that they could not have done with an expanded Jeyne? If the answer is nothing or almost nothing, yeah, I get why it bothers people.

I don't know why, either. Maybe they thought it would be more believable if Robb married someone other than the daughter of a Lannister bannerman? Introducing Jeyne in the manner than Talisa was introduced in the show (treating wounded soldiers on the battlefield) wouldn't have worked as she'd have immediately been made a hostage. It's clear they wanted to develop their relationship in the show instead of just dropping a bombshell like it happened in the books, and perhaps they just got carried away with the changes, I don't now. It wasn't handled very well though, which is why I think most people take issue with it.

There are other instances of character swaps like this that nobody really complains about. A purist on the other hand, would bitch and moan simply because it's a change from the book, regardless of how well done it was.
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Post by: yorost on April 10, 2013, 03:39:26 PM: I see purists as being after visual reference, not entertainment. :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 10, 2013, 04:57:27 PM: Jeyne for Talisa is the only change where I went "wtf??", I've enjoyed all others... well I didn't like that 2 specifics visions from the House of the Undying weren't shown. (The one about Rhaegar and the Prince that Was Promise and the other one... well you know the other one)
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Post by: cramx3 on April 10, 2013, 05:18:11 PM: I think they could have kept the name Jeyne, but overall, I dont find the change to be a big deal. She plays a very small part in terms of dialogue and actions herself in the book, but plays a significant role in terms of story so I think it's fine if the show decided to show a lot more of her to give her character and her role more importance. Also, being with the Lannisters doesn't seem very believable compared to how they showed thier meeting.
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Post by: yorost on April 10, 2013, 05:47:24 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 10, 2013, 05:18:11 PM
I think they could have kept the name Jeyne, but overall, I dont find the change to be a big deal. She plays a very small part in terms of dialogue and actions herself in the book, but plays a significant role in terms of story so I think it's fine if the show decided to show a lot more of her to give her character and her role more importance. Also, being with the Lannisters doesn't seem very believable compared to how they showed thier meeting.
...but this is just what makes it sound like an annoying change. Jeyne was en open book for them to expand. Saying this is more believable than the Lannister angle wouldn't be more than laziness on their part.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 10, 2013, 06:56:51 PM: I don't think they have time to expand. If anything, they need to contract. Ergo, it's a move that is just fine.
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Post by: yorost on April 10, 2013, 09:09:12 PM: Jeyne to Talisa already happened and was an expansion.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 10, 2013, 09:37:12 PM: Man, that duel was really meh. Kinda makes me worry about a certain duel coming up in a certain upcoming season. I hope they put a bit more, um, oomph into that one.

Everything else seemed pretty solid. I liked Jojen and Thoros.

Also...

I'm betting the 'guy' that was sent by Theon's sister is the bastard of Bolton.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 14, 2013, 10:41:15 PM: Spoilers if you haven't seen the episode!!!

I guess Jamie will never be...

(•_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

(⌐■_■)

''Hand'' of the king now
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 15, 2013, 07:40:51 AM: lol
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Post by: GuineaPig on April 15, 2013, 07:47:26 AM: It's a shame that whoever runs Arrested Westeros is on vacation right now, otherwise there would be a flood of posts.
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Post by: Genowyn on April 15, 2013, 08:38:30 AM: GOD I'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE THE END OF SEASON 2 FOR THAT TO HAPPEN

Character development go!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 15, 2013, 08:41:12 AM: Just started watching this show last week. I'm on the third episode of season 2 and liking it very much so far.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 15, 2013, 08:59:39 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on April 15, 2013, 08:38:30 AM
Character development go!
Hell yeah! Now begins the development that made him my favorite character of the series!
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Post by: Genowyn on April 15, 2013, 11:27:05 AM: Also is it just me or is that guy who was helping Theon definitely Ramsay Snow? I'm reminded of a section in the book where it talks about how Ramsay would pretend to let women go free just so he could have the fun of chasing them down and recapturing them.
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Post by: wasteland on April 15, 2013, 11:30:15 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on April 15, 2013, 11:27:05 AM
Also is it just me or is that guy who was helping Theon definitely Ramsay Snow? I'm reminded of a section in the book where it talks about how Ramsay would pretend to let women go free just so he could have the fun of chasing them down and recapturing them.

Definitely. Anything different would make little sense story-wise.

Quote from: Dimitrius on April 15, 2013, 08:59:39 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on April 15, 2013, 08:38:30 AM
Character development go!
Hell yeah! Now begins the development that made him my favorite character of the series!

He is my favourite too! :highfive:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 02:26:44 PM: Great episode. Loved the funeral scene in the beginning and the whole Podrick sequence :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:25:26 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Great episode. Loved the funeral scene in the beginning and the whole Podrick sequence :lol
Yeah, that was awesome. I loved the look at the wind, the draw back....the release and then just turned and threw the bow at him.....that was great!

I've not read the books at all so I really have nothing to 'go off' of, but I am highly doubting that Danarius (spelling?) is really going to give up a dragon. I'm thinking those dragons 'know' her thoughts so to speak and/or she controls them totally so after she leaves with the soldiers that dragon kills his new 'master' and rejoins her.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 03:31:54 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Great episode. Loved the funeral scene in the beginning and the whole Podrick sequence :lol
Yeah, that was awesome. I loved the look at the wind, the draw back....the release and then just turned and threw the bow at him.....that was great!

I've not read the books at all so I really have nothing to 'go off' of, but I am highly doubting that Danarius (spelling?) is really going to give up a dragon. I'm thinking those dragons 'know' her thoughts so to speak and/or she controls them totally so after she leaves with the soldiers that dragon kills his new 'master' and rejoins her.
Well, I have read the books so I won't say anything :P
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Post by: Sigz on April 15, 2013, 03:41:17 PM: Goddammit cut to credits was amazing.
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Post by: wasteland on April 15, 2013, 03:42:39 PM: The name is Daenerys :tup
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2013, 03:43:33 PM: The song during credits.....that i did not expect! :lol
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Post by: Sigz on April 15, 2013, 03:46:16 PM: For that haven't read the books, the song was a The Bear and The Maiden Fair recorded by The Hold Steady, which is a ribald bard song in the books.
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Post by: Jaq on April 15, 2013, 03:46:48 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2013, 03:43:33 PM
The song during credits.....that i did not expect! :lol

I'm still dying of laughter from the arrangement.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:48:33 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Great episode. Loved the funeral scene in the beginning and the whole Podrick sequence :lol
Yeah, that was awesome. I loved the look at the wind, the draw back....the release and then just turned and threw the bow at him.....that was great!

I've not read the books at all so I really have nothing to 'go off' of, but I am highly doubting that Danarius (spelling?) is really going to give up a dragon. I'm thinking those dragons 'know' her thoughts so to speak and/or she controls them totally so after she leaves with the soldiers that dragon kills his new 'master' and rejoins her.
Well, I have read the books so I won't say anything :P
Having read the books how do you find the transition from book to show? Is it fairly accurate and stick to the book consistently? I've noticed as I read this thread there is mention of some of the characters either being expanded on....complete story arcs added...etc. As a person who's read the book has that affected you enjoying the show at all?

Quote from: wasteland on April 15, 2013, 03:42:39 PM
The name is Daenerys :tup

Thank you! I figured I could also just type 'sexy a$$ babe' and everyone would know who I was talking about.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2013, 03:52:06 PM: Quote from: Sigz on April 15, 2013, 03:46:16 PM
For that haven't read the books, the song was a The Bear and The Maiden Fair recorded by The Hold Steady, which is a ribald bard song in the books.
Oh, had no idea which makes it even more fun. :tup
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Post by: wasteland on April 15, 2013, 03:59:02 PM: I was left a bit speechless by what Stannis said to Melisandre. Quite out of his character, IMO.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 15, 2013, 06:56:10 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2013, 03:43:33 PM
The song during credits.....that i did not expect! :lol
That was awesome.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2013, 05:57:57 AM: Loved Thoros and his men singing the bear and the maiden fair during the episode.

The whole Theon stuff is kind of weird. Its pretty obvious who the guy is that let him loose especially since the one guy called him basterd before he got an arrow to the head. I just don't get where this is going. Considering his story in the books.

Glad to see Jaime lose his hand. When I started watching this show I hated him a lot for what he did to Ned but he is on his way to becoming a likeable character.

I was hoping edmure would miss the boat like in the book. I think if I hadn't read the book I might be confused by all these new characters though. I think the Blackfish could have been used more like in the books where he was with Cat and Rob since the Eyrie. Just would make it easier to learn the characters instead of having a bunch thrown at you at once.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 16, 2013, 06:06:27 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Great episode. Loved the funeral scene in the beginning and the whole Podrick sequence :lol
Yeah, that was awesome. I loved the look at the wind, the draw back....the release and then just turned and threw the bow at him.....that was great!

I've not read the books at all so I really have nothing to 'go off' of, but I am highly doubting that Danarius (spelling?) is really going to give up a dragon. I'm thinking those dragons 'know' her thoughts so to speak and/or she controls them totally so after she leaves with the soldiers that dragon kills his new 'master' and rejoins her.
Well, I have read the books so I won't say anything :P
Having read the books how do you find the transition from book to show? Is it fairly accurate and stick to the book consistently? I've noticed as I read this thread there is mention of some of the characters either being expanded on....complete story arcs added...etc. As a person who's read the book has that affected you enjoying the show at all?
Short answer, no. I started reading the books after watching the first season so I might be biased towards the show. I really think that most of the changes have been understandable. I do wonder about certain things in the future however.

Like when will they talk about Tyrions backstory? With the girl he was going to marry (I forget her name). That will be really important in the fourth season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 16, 2013, 08:17:13 AM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 16, 2013, 06:06:27 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Great episode. Loved the funeral scene in the beginning and the whole Podrick sequence :lol
Yeah, that was awesome. I loved the look at the wind, the draw back....the release and then just turned and threw the bow at him.....that was great!

I've not read the books at all so I really have nothing to 'go off' of, but I am highly doubting that Danarius (spelling?) is really going to give up a dragon. I'm thinking those dragons 'know' her thoughts so to speak and/or she controls them totally so after she leaves with the soldiers that dragon kills his new 'master' and rejoins her.
Well, I have read the books so I won't say anything :P
Having read the books how do you find the transition from book to show? Is it fairly accurate and stick to the book consistently? I've noticed as I read this thread there is mention of some of the characters either being expanded on....complete story arcs added...etc. As a person who's read the book has that affected you enjoying the show at all?
Short answer, no. I started reading the books after watching the first season so I might be biased towards the show. I really think that most of the changes have been understandable. I do wonder about certain things in the future however.

Like when will they talk about Tyrions backstory? With the girl he was going to marry (I forget her name). That will be really important in the fourth season.
Since the show already mentioned that story in the first season, I'd think they will bring it back once the PW and Oberyn/Gregor happens
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tanatra on April 16, 2013, 11:59:03 AM: I downloaded Episode 3 for this season and watched it last night, I have a (non-spoiler) question for anyone who has seen it: The music that plays during the credits, does it actually start towards the end of the final scene, drowning out all dialogue? I can't decide if this is an unusual error in the file, or if the producers did this on purpose to distract from what was about to happen.

Quote from: Tanatra on March 31, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
Sadly, in order to watch this I'm going to have to go over to a friend's house tomorrow and download it. :(

I really, truly, tried to upgrade my cable so that I could watch this legitimately, but Comcast is just too much of a pain in the ass to deal with, and my school has very strict policies against torrent downloads. Want to discourage downloading and increase ratings for your shows? Stop shooting yourselves in the foot, cable service providers.

In another stroke of luck, the hard drive on my laptop conveniently chose this week to die. :censored I've been downloading episodes to my flash drive at a friend's place and watching it that way. Personally, I think it's hilarious that this is the TVMA-LSV show for which the term "sexploitation" was coined, and I've watched every episode this season on a school computer. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2013, 12:15:27 PM: Its not supposed to play right before they cut Jamie's hand off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 16, 2013, 01:37:12 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 16, 2013, 08:17:13 AM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 16, 2013, 06:06:27 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Great episode. Loved the funeral scene in the beginning and the whole Podrick sequence :lol
Yeah, that was awesome. I loved the look at the wind, the draw back....the release and then just turned and threw the bow at him.....that was great!

I've not read the books at all so I really have nothing to 'go off' of, but I am highly doubting that Danarius (spelling?) is really going to give up a dragon. I'm thinking those dragons 'know' her thoughts so to speak and/or she controls them totally so after she leaves with the soldiers that dragon kills his new 'master' and rejoins her.
Well, I have read the books so I won't say anything :P
Having read the books how do you find the transition from book to show? Is it fairly accurate and stick to the book consistently? I've noticed as I read this thread there is mention of some of the characters either being expanded on....complete story arcs added...etc. As a person who's read the book has that affected you enjoying the show at all?
Short answer, no. I started reading the books after watching the first season so I might be biased towards the show. I really think that most of the changes have been understandable. I do wonder about certain things in the future however.

Like when will they talk about Tyrions backstory? With the girl he was going to marry (I forget her name). That will be really important in the fourth season.
Since the show already mentioned that story in the first season, I'd think they will bring it back once the PW and Oberyn/Gregor happens
Oh, my bad. I didn't think they had already mentioned it. They definitely need to tell it again though in time for "you know what"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 16, 2013, 05:40:34 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 16, 2013, 01:37:12 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 16, 2013, 08:17:13 AM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 16, 2013, 06:06:27 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 15, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Great episode. Loved the funeral scene in the beginning and the whole Podrick sequence :lol
Yeah, that was awesome. I loved the look at the wind, the draw back....the release and then just turned and threw the bow at him.....that was great!

I've not read the books at all so I really have nothing to 'go off' of, but I am highly doubting that Danarius (spelling?) is really going to give up a dragon. I'm thinking those dragons 'know' her thoughts so to speak and/or she controls them totally so after she leaves with the soldiers that dragon kills his new 'master' and rejoins her.
Well, I have read the books so I won't say anything :P
Having read the books how do you find the transition from book to show? Is it fairly accurate and stick to the book consistently? I've noticed as I read this thread there is mention of some of the characters either being expanded on....complete story arcs added...etc. As a person who's read the book has that affected you enjoying the show at all?
Short answer, no. I started reading the books after watching the first season so I might be biased towards the show. I really think that most of the changes have been understandable. I do wonder about certain things in the future however.

Like when will they talk about Tyrions backstory? With the girl he was going to marry (I forget her name). That will be really important in the fourth season.
Since the show already mentioned that story in the first season, I'd think they will bring it back once the PW and Oberyn/Gregor happens
Oh, my bad. I didn't think they had already mentioned it. They definitely need to tell it again though in time for "you know what"
That's what the "previously on GoT" thing at the beginning is for :P
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Post by: soundgarden on April 16, 2013, 05:47:55 PM: I am a total loss here; who is that kid helping Theon? I don't remember this at all from the books....
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 16, 2013, 05:49:59 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on April 16, 2013, 05:47:55 PM
I am a total loss here; who is that kid helping Theon? I don't remember this at all from the books....
I'm guessing is THAT guy from ADwD, since the last guy he killed did say "basterd", but I'm not sure yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on April 16, 2013, 06:01:25 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 16, 2013, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: soundgarden on April 16, 2013, 05:47:55 PM
I am a total loss here; who is that kid helping Theon? I don't remember this at all from the books....
I'm guessing is THAT guy from ADwD, since the last guy he killed did say "basterd", but I'm not sure yet.

I didnt read ADaD, but I know who you are talking about. HBO is doing the story a little different. I wonder where they are going with it...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 16, 2013, 06:02:42 PM: (https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/QUOTEPYRAMIDS.jpg)
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Post by: soundgarden on April 16, 2013, 06:11:49 PM: Is quoting a "stop the quote pyramid" post a bannable offense? :yarr
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 16, 2013, 06:20:09 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on April 16, 2013, 06:11:49 PM
Is quoting a "stop the quote pyramid" post a bannable offense? :yarr
I don't know, let's find out. :yarr

BTW

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/gameofthronesdrinkinggame_zps24e22506.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on April 17, 2013, 07:43:02 AM: You may be drunk 10 minutes into the episode.
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Post by: wasteland on April 17, 2013, 08:23:00 AM: So whenever Stannis says "The Iron Throne is mine, by right!" you have to dring two shots? :D Drunk 5 minutes into any episode!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 17, 2013, 08:51:46 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 17, 2013, 07:43:02 AM
You may be ~~drunk~~ dead 10 minutes into the episode.
FIFY
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 17, 2013, 04:44:43 PM: I found this via westeros.org.

Seriously, you can't get any more awesome :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLCOvZOh1o
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 17, 2013, 07:43:39 PM: Robb is such a fucking hypocrite. Fuck you Robb.

Great way to introduce Edmure though. Still feel as bad for him as I did in the books. Poor guy got no respect. :lol

Great episode. Managed to hit all the various plot points without being unnecessarily faithful while still providing an authentic Game of Thrones experience. Whatever that means.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2013, 04:35:45 AM: It means whores
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 18, 2013, 08:37:21 PM: Podrick the Dongslinger!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 22, 2013, 04:33:23 AM: Sansa or Margaery? I'm having trouble deciding who's the cutest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2013, 04:56:34 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 22, 2013, 04:33:23 AM
Sansa or Margaery? I'm having trouble deciding who's the cutest.
Margaery
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2013, 05:47:09 AM: Really liked that episode last night. It felt a lot more like Storm of Swords than the previous episodes.

Its pretty much a fact that the guy who was helping Theon is Ramsay as we all thought.

There was a lot of varys is good little finger is bad plotting. I like how the show is portraying this.

We all know Cersei is bad, but she is starting to make Joffrey seem good now with being influenced by Margaery. I love Tywin and how he flat out told Cersie she is an idiot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2013, 07:37:53 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2013, 04:56:34 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 22, 2013, 04:33:23 AM
Sansa or Margaery? I'm having trouble deciding who's the cutest.
Margaery
This is where I'd cast my "vote"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 22, 2013, 08:24:25 AM: Yeah maybe.. Though Sansa is pretty damn cute too. Though she's born 1996, which I suppose sort of makes it more appropriate for some of you to say Margaery ;)
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Post by: snapple on April 22, 2013, 08:26:13 AM: Those Theon feels :sadpanda:
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Post by: wasteland on April 22, 2013, 08:45:32 AM: From westeros.org (which was never particularly kind towards the show):

(https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3669/watchhasended.png)

Look's like I'm in for a treat tonight! :p
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2013, 09:05:51 AM: For as big of jerk as Jamie is....jerk being a kind description, I think they are doing a great job at creating sympathy for a character that virtually 'deserves' what he's getting. I'm curious to see if his relationship with Bree will/ is changing him a bit and how his character is ultimately going to respond to all this.

I loved how Danyereus handled that. I had a suspicion she could understand that guy the whole time...just judging from her reactions. She's ruthless....and her and Margaery are quickly becoming my favorite characters.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 22, 2013, 10:08:52 AM: I'm really happy about Daenerys story in this episode. I was actually getting tired of how things were going for her up until now. I loved it when she was Drogo's wife and the Dothraki were all following them and Drogo was screeming about giving the Iron Throne to his son, that was awesome. When Drogo died it all went downhill but I'm glad to see her in control of her situation again.

And I was actually hoping that Theon would actually be freed. He's starting to get sad to watch to the point of frustration.
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Post by: wasteland on April 22, 2013, 10:12:31 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 22, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
And I was actually hoping that Theon would actually be freed. He's starting to get sad to watch to the point of frustration.

You didn't read the books, did you?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 22, 2013, 10:21:06 AM: Quote from: wasteland on April 22, 2013, 10:12:31 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 22, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
And I was actually hoping that Theon would actually be freed. He's starting to get sad to watch to the point of frustration.

You didn't read the books, did you?

No. And I don't intend to.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 22, 2013, 10:46:11 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2013, 09:05:51 AM
For as big of jerk as Jamie is....jerk being a kind description, I think they are doing a great job at creating sympathy for a character that virtually 'deserves' what he's getting. I'm curious to see if his relationship with Bree will/ is changing him a bit and how his character is ultimately going to respond to all this.

I loved how Danyereus handled that. I had a suspicion she could understand that guy the whole time...just judging from her reactions. She's ruthless....and her and Margaery are quickly becoming my favorite characters.
I never liked Jaime when reading the books... then I read A Storm of Swords, by the end of it he was my favorite character of the series!

You're having trouble with the spelling of the names! :lol Daenerys, Brienne.

Also:

I guess Kraznys got...

(•_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

(⌐■_■)

"burned" on that deal

EDIT: This was easily one of the best episodes of the series! The way they juggled all the different story threads was wonderful!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2013, 11:15:37 AM: Dimitrius.....I can with certainty inform you that I will misspell hear character names a thousand times. :lol I'm lucky to even remember half of them....seriously. There's a lot of friggin characters here and family I don't know how you all kept them straight when reading the books. I NEED the visual because really how I know them.
And it'd be different if they were names like 'Ted' and 'Susan'.....but they aren't.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 22, 2013, 11:48:29 AM: Awesome episode! :tup

Damn that felt good when Daenerys released the fury on Kraznys!
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Post by: Sigz on April 22, 2013, 12:42:21 PM: That episode was fantastic.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 22, 2013, 02:13:44 PM: AMAZING episode. I got goosebumps during that last scene :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 22, 2013, 02:35:46 PM: The Valiryan speech and Dracarys were absolutely perfect. Emilia Clarke acted freakishly well. :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 22, 2013, 02:40:16 PM: (https://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/04/ZhkjWK7.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 22, 2013, 02:42:19 PM: :hefdaddy
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2013, 02:52:59 PM: Best episode yet.
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Post by: Jaq on April 22, 2013, 03:05:47 PM: The best episode yet is still Blackwater.

The best SCENE yet? Dany's crowning moment of awesome last night. :biggrin:
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Post by: masterthes on April 24, 2013, 07:04:26 PM: After watching, I think I'm totally on Team Daenarys

And I totally forgot that whole thing with the Crows
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 24, 2013, 09:43:57 PM: Man, the ending to this was awesome.

I've never been particularly impressed by Emilia Clarke's acting, but damn she did a fine job here.
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Post by: wasteland on April 28, 2013, 10:39:13 AM: So, you guys ready for tonight's (next morning's for me) episode? My gut feeling tells me that we are going to get some naked action in Kissed By Fire :onfire:
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 10:43:17 AM: Yeah, the preview for this week's episode showed that someone who has hair "kissed by fire" will get nekkid tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 28, 2013, 10:47:25 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 10:43:17 AM
Yeah, the preview for this week's episode showed that someone who has hair "kissed by fire" will get nekkid tonight.

I missed the preview, but yeah, having read the books... :D

SPOILER

I was really, really, really sad reading her last chapter... :-(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 28, 2013, 11:02:42 AM: Wait....did i hear nudity?

(https://media.tumblr.com/bfc8f54e0f317a0e20c08f3504f3f444/tumblr_inline_mj2xbfV8Fk1qz4rgp.gif)
(https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gd3f2zJJ1rnrnra.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on April 28, 2013, 11:07:35 AM: Ladies and gentlemen, the driving force behind 90% of GoT's current audience.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 28, 2013, 11:28:50 AM: Wait....male nekkidness? Pfff nevermind still counts!

(https://i.imgur.com/4eOqqxz.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 28, 2013, 11:39:00 AM: I actually think it's a good thing they've toned that down a bit since season one..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 28, 2013, 12:11:02 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 28, 2013, 11:28:50 AM
Wait....male nekkidness? Pfff nevermind still counts!

Yup. To prove his fealty to the wilding's cause Jon Snow will have to climb the wall fully naked.
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Post by: Silver Tears on April 28, 2013, 12:26:59 PM: I would love to see that.
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Post by: chknptpie on April 28, 2013, 12:31:30 PM: I'd be okay with that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 12:55:13 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 28, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
I actually think it's a good thing they've toned that down a bit since season one..
Indeed! There hasn't been a sexposition scene since early second season, which means people are tuning in because the show is damn good and not just the nudity.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2013, 01:14:01 PM: Now it's just real sword swinging in the wind.

I just loved how Daenerys Targaryen knew what Kraznys mo Nakloz was saying the whole time. Fitting death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tanatra on April 28, 2013, 01:40:34 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 28, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
I actually think it's a good thing they've toned that down a bit since season one..
Indeed! There hasn't been a sexposition scene since early second season, which means people are tuning in because the show is damn good and not just the nudity.

You forgetting about the Podric Payne scene in episode 3 of this season?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 28, 2013, 01:57:41 PM: Nude scene =/= sex scene
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 02:08:31 PM: Quote from: Tanatra on April 28, 2013, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 28, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
I actually think it's a good thing they've toned that down a bit since season one..
Indeed! There hasn't been a sexposition scene since early second season, which means people are tuning in because the show is damn good and not just the nudity.

You forgetting about the Podric Payne scene in episode 3 of this season?
There was no sexposition there and there was no sex either.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2013, 06:55:47 PM: Just picked up seasons 1 & 2 on bluray.

Excited for tonight's new episode. :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 07:55:13 PM: I can't wait to read people's opinion on Jaime after that scene tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2013, 10:04:16 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 07:55:13 PM
I can't wait to read people's opinion on Jaime after that scene tonight.
I'm trying to determine whether he was being honest or not, if he was just lying to her. I mentioned earlier, they are doing a good job at creating sympathy for a character who deserves none and reinventing his character almost. I'm starting to 'like' him actually.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 10:33:59 PM: You can think that, but that "Jaime. My name is Jaime" line sealed his honesty, IMO. That line made me emotional even though I knew it was coming!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2013, 04:52:03 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2013, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 28, 2013, 07:55:13 PM
I can't wait to read people's opinion on Jaime after that scene tonight.
I'm trying to determine whether he was being honest or not, if he was just lying to her. I mentioned earlier, they are doing a good job at creating sympathy for a character who deserves none and reinventing his character almost. I'm starting to 'like' him actually.
He wasn't lying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on April 29, 2013, 05:28:33 AM: I liked Jaime when he was an asshole as well. I actually realized that I like all Lannisters so yea, #teamlannister.
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Post by: kári on April 29, 2013, 07:07:46 AM: Even Joffrey?
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Post by: BlackInk on April 29, 2013, 09:16:52 AM: Overall solid episode as always when it comes to Game of Throne. Best scene was definetly Jaime's bath tub speech. I've never thought about the actor much, I just always thought he fit his role well, but I have give him some props here, amazing emotion, great monologue. One of the shows best emotional moments for sure.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 29, 2013, 09:44:01 AM: I just wanna say, Tywin is amazing! The way he let Cersei know about Tyrion's marriage so she could all smug and shit and then he put her in her place with her own marriage... PRICELESS!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2013, 09:59:33 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 29, 2013, 09:44:01 AM
I just wanna say, Tywin is amazing! The way he let Cersei know about Tyrion's marriage so she could all smug and shit and then he put her in her place with her own marriage... PRICELESS!
That was great! That guy is a real good actor but I have to admit in every scene he's in I expect Edfie Murphy to show up so Tywin can try and get 'the knife' from him. I can't shake him being the devil from 'The Golden Child'
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Post by: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 10:07:45 AM: A great episode, better than last week's! Rewatch earned :tup

Also, am I the only one whose heart melted in the Shireen scenes? :'(
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Post by: Sigz on April 29, 2013, 10:09:26 AM: Great episode. No crazy happenings like last week's, but great all around. The Lannisters really shined, between Jaime's monologue and Tywin being the baller that he always is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 10:12:47 AM: Quote from: Sigz on April 29, 2013, 10:09:26 AM
Great episode. No crazy happenings like last week's, but great all around. The Lannisters really shined, between Jaime's monologue and Tywin being the baller that he always is.

The Hound duels a guy wielding a flaming sword who gets cut in half and come backs to life 10 seconds later and you say "no crazy happenings"? :rollin
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 29, 2013, 10:19:59 AM: Quote from: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 10:07:45 AM
Also, am I the only one whose heart melted in the Shireen scenes? :'(
Yeah, they were really good! I thought, and I couldn't be the only one, that Shireen and Selyse would be cut from the story, so to see them made me smile and actually puts a new dimension to why Stannis is so dull and/or emotionless.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 10:32:10 AM: I just loved the little lady. Life hasn't been generous to her... :'( And there are many theories stating that she's a goner in book 6...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 29, 2013, 10:34:13 AM: Great episode as always! Loved the bath scene, great way to tell that piece of backstory :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 10:39:26 AM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 29, 2013, 10:34:13 AM
Great episode as always! Loved the bath scene, great way to tell that piece of backstory :tup

Yes. Nikolai's owned this episode! Any comment on the beheading of Rickard Karstark? ::)
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Post by: TheVoxyn on April 29, 2013, 11:02:51 AM: Quote from: kári on April 29, 2013, 07:07:46 AM
Even Joffrey?
Officially he is a Baratheon (even if it doesn't get much more Lannister than having two Lannister parents :p). So yea, let me change it to 'all Lannisters except Joffrey are awesome'.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 29, 2013, 11:23:39 AM: Quote from: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 29, 2013, 10:34:13 AM
Great episode as always! Loved the bath scene, great way to tell that piece of backstory :tup

Yes. Nikolai's owned this episode! Any comment on the beheading of Rickard Karstark? ::)
I liked it, it really showed how uncomfortable Robb is in his current position.
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Post by: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 11:58:46 AM: Ah, that's just the moment! He won't be unconfortable in his position for long :tup
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 29, 2013, 12:50:14 PM: Quote from: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 11:58:46 AM
Ah, that's just the moment! He won't be unconfortable in his position for long :tup
I see what you did there
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 29, 2013, 01:03:35 PM: Something that is happening in the series that I'm not liking is that, apparently, Loras Tyrell will not be made a member of the Kingsguard. Which makes me doubt the appearances of some scenes of the books I really liked.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2013, 07:08:35 AM: I liked the episode a lot. My main problem with this season is that there is so much going on that each episode only shows one or two scenes with some of the major characters instead focusing more on them. I totally get it having read the books that there is so much happening that its difficult to get it all in, but I would have liked to see more of what's happening beyond the wall. I would like more than one dnaerys scene. I would like lots of tyrion in every episode. I would like more Bran and more Arya.

Jaime is pretty awesome though and Beric/Thoros are very likeable.

The scene with Tywin and his children was amazing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on April 30, 2013, 07:29:27 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 30, 2013, 07:08:35 AM
I liked the episode a lot. My main problem with this season is that there is so much going on that each episode only shows one or two scenes with some of the major characters instead focusing more on them. I totally get it having read the books that there is so much happening that its difficult to get it all in, but I would have liked to see more of what's happening beyond the wall. I would like more than one dnaerys scene. I would like lots of tyrion in every episode. I would like more Bran and more Arya.

I, too, think the episodes should each be 3 hours long.
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Post by: chknptpie on April 30, 2013, 07:51:57 AM: Can I just say the scene where Tywin has the 5 most influential people in Kings Landing get together was hilarious and all with no words.
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Post by: yorost on April 30, 2013, 08:01:51 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 30, 2013, 07:08:35 AM
I liked the episode a lot. My main problem with this season is that there is so much going on that each episode only shows one or two scenes with some of the major characters instead focusing more on them. I totally get it having read the books that there is so much happening that its difficult to get it all in, but I would have liked to see more of what's happening beyond the wall. I would like more than one dnaerys scene. I would like lots of tyrion in every episode. I would like more Bran and more Arya.
...just wait until they start airing A Feast for Crows. :p Has anyone said anything about their plans to deal with the split books?
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 30, 2013, 08:03:41 AM: I would guess that they would join them, I can't imagine them ignoring some characters for a whole season.
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Post by: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 08:36:32 AM: They shall do so, but what about the cliffhanger ending to the seasons? :-X
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2013, 09:30:31 AM: The finales of this show don't really end on "OMG WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?!" cliffhangers though, they just resolve the things left by the previous episode and start laying groundwork for the next.

And I agree with cramx3 that this is the first season where there is so much going on that they can't focused on one character to be the "main" character (as Ned was in season 1 and Tyrion in season 2) but the editing is doing a very good job of juggling all the threads without one being completely lost.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2013, 09:37:18 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2013, 09:59:33 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 29, 2013, 09:44:01 AM
I just wanna say, Tywin is amazing! The way he let Cersei know about Tyrion's marriage so she could all smug and shit and then he put her in her place with her own marriage... PRICELESS!
That was great! That guy is a real good actor but I have to admit in every scene he's in I expect Edfie Murphy to show up so Tywin can try and get 'the knife' from him. I can't shake him being the devil from 'The Golden Child'
So glad I'm not the only one.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2013, 09:45:31 AM: I always seen him as Benedict from Last Action Hero.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2013, 10:46:48 AM: Quote from: yorost on April 30, 2013, 08:01:51 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 30, 2013, 07:08:35 AM
I liked the episode a lot. My main problem with this season is that there is so much going on that each episode only shows one or two scenes with some of the major characters instead focusing more on them. I totally get it having read the books that there is so much happening that its difficult to get it all in, but I would have liked to see more of what's happening beyond the wall. I would like more than one dnaerys scene. I would like lots of tyrion in every episode. I would like more Bran and more Arya.
...just wait until they start airing A Feast for Crows. :p Has anyone said anything about their plans to deal with the split books?

Yea should be interesting to see how the show pulls the next two books off. They will obviously do books 4 & 5 together since they happen during the same time period plus they get to keep the characters on screen. I couldn't imagine the show not showing one of the biggest characters for a season
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Post by: soundgarden on April 30, 2013, 10:56:06 AM: It seems like they will be ending this season with the Red Wedding.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2013, 11:44:38 AM: Quote from: soundgarden on April 30, 2013, 10:56:06 AM
It seems like they will be ending this season with the Red Wedding.
I keep reading people saying this and it seems they don't understand thatthe 9th episode is the "HOLY SHIT" episode of the seasons. 1. Ned's beheading, 2. Battle of the Blackwater, 3. Red Wedding count on it
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Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2013, 01:03:38 PM: There were two weddings mentioned in the last episode...
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2013, 01:08:24 PM: Both won't happen this year.
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Post by: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 01:42:16 PM: I'm excited for the obvious season ending in which Beric gives the kiss of fire to a rotting corpse just found on the riverbank.
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Post by: Podaar on April 30, 2013, 01:50:31 PM: Quote from: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 01:42:16 PM
I'm excited for the obvious season ending in which Beric gives the kiss of fire to a rotting corpse just found on the riverbank.

You may be right. Last weeks episode would give some real weight to your scenario for the viewers not familiar with the novels.
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Post by: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 01:52:59 PM: Quote from: Podaar on April 30, 2013, 01:50:31 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 01:42:16 PM
I'm excited for the obvious season ending in which Beric gives the kiss of fire to a rotting corpse just found on the riverbank.

You may be right. Last weeks episode would give some real weight to your scenario for the viewers not familiar with the novels.

Also Ep. 10's name is Mysha, which means "Mother". This is a big clue and a poetic choice. I would dig it if that theory would turn out to be true.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2013, 02:03:40 PM: Quote from: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: Podaar on April 30, 2013, 01:50:31 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 01:42:16 PM
I'm excited for the obvious season ending in which Beric gives the kiss of fire to a rotting corpse just found on the riverbank.

You may be right. Last weeks episode would give some real weight to your scenario for the viewers not familiar with the novels.

Also Ep. 10's name is Mysha, which means "Mother". This is a big clue and a poetic choice. I would dig it if that theory would turn out to be true.
Yep! I think this will be the season finale, the birth of Lady Stoneheart. With the Purple Wedding being maybe 3-4th episode of the next season and Tyrion's trial by combat #9.
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Post by: yorost on April 30, 2013, 02:43:01 PM: You guys know it's already been outed when the Red Wedding happens, right? Spoilers for the spoiler folk: it was leaked that it is episode 9, and the title of the episode is already a giveaway, that's the song that initiates the red part of the wedding.
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Post by: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 02:59:49 PM: Of course we know. However, it's all about non books readers :D
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 30, 2013, 03:36:04 PM: I really can't wait for some events just so I can see my friends reactions ;D
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Post by: yorost on April 30, 2013, 03:39:11 PM: Martin said he's going on a retreat so he can't see them... :lol
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Post by: Podaar on April 30, 2013, 03:46:18 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 30, 2013, 03:36:04 PM
I really can't wait for some events just so I can see my friends reactions ;D
Quote from: yorost on April 30, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
Martin said he's going on a retreat so he can't see them... :lol
:rollin
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2013, 04:05:45 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 30, 2013, 03:36:04 PM
I really can't wait for some events just so I can see my friends reactions ;D
I'm already having a get together pizza thing for this year's major event for this same reason! :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 04:09:50 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 30, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on April 30, 2013, 03:36:04 PM
I really can't wait for some events just so I can see my friends reactions ;D
I'm already having a get together pizza thing for this year's major event for this same reason! :lol

Why don't you hire a local band to play a some song while you're having your pizza? :neverusethis:
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2013, 04:26:03 PM: I have, but for some reason they only play one about some lions and coats.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2013, 05:30:21 PM: I can't wait to see the look on my wife's face when certain events happen.
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Post by: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 05:32:14 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2013, 05:30:21 PM
I can't wait to see the look on my wife's face when certain events happen.

She has absolutely no idea? A show follower I know basically guessed right, likely without spoilering himself it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2013, 06:47:21 PM: Quote from: wasteland on April 30, 2013, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2013, 05:30:21 PM
I can't wait to see the look on my wife's face when certain events happen.

She has absolutely no idea? A show follower I know basically guessed right, likely without spoilering himself it.
Nah, she has no clue.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2013, 07:20:25 AM: My coworker told me how shocked he was when Eddard died, I told him that was nothing and he had such a puzzled look on his face
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Post by: TheVoxyn on May 01, 2013, 07:54:12 AM: One of my best friends keeps mentioning how much she likes Robb and Catlyn and that they are her favourite characters. Also, she cried when Ned died - so this should be entertaining for me.
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Post by: wasteland on May 01, 2013, 07:58:03 AM: Quote from: TheVoxyn on May 01, 2013, 07:54:12 AM
One of my best friends keeps mentioning how much she likes Robb and Catlyn and that they are her favourite characters. Also, she cried when Ned died - so this should be entertaining for me.

Also, an occasion! Invite her over for the Rains episode, prepare loads of chocolate, pizza and tissues and get ready to console her :lol
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Post by: TheVoxyn on May 01, 2013, 07:59:26 AM: Quote from: wasteland on May 01, 2013, 07:58:03 AM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on May 01, 2013, 07:54:12 AM
One of my best friends keeps mentioning how much she likes Robb and Catlyn and that they are her favourite characters. Also, she cried when Ned died - so this should be entertaining for me.

Also, an occasion! Invite her over for the Rains episode, prepare loads of chocolate, pizza and tissues and get ready to console her :lol
Sounds like a great plan :lol
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Post by: wasteland on May 01, 2013, 10:07:32 AM: So, today is Emilia Clarcke's birthday!! I didn't know we shared it, but I am definitely happy we do! :D
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Post by: The King in Crimson on May 01, 2013, 10:36:42 PM: Holy crap that was a good episode, though I was a bit irked by the change in Robb's motivation. Makes him a bit less sympathetic and I'm wondering how that will affect events that are to come.

Still, pretty ace episode all around.

Beric vs the Hound = zomg. Best fight scene in the show so far. They brought their A game here that's for sure.

Everything with Arya in it = pwned. Maisie Williams is so good all the time as Arya, it's unreal.

Tywin is such an awesome asshole, especially because he's pretty much right. Charles Dance delivers.

Shireen and Davos = daaaaawww. Glad they brought her character in.

Sylese and Stannis = wtf? Buncha babies in jars? She be crazy.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 06, 2013, 02:56:32 AM: Good episode, even if it was a bit more eventless than previous episodes (I had hoped to see daenerys when I saw Yuncan during the intro :( )
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Post by: BlackInk on May 06, 2013, 04:34:48 AM: Liked the episode, I agree that it wasn't as monumental as the previous two but I'm totally fine with that since everything can't be the best thing ever. I loved Littlefinger's closing monologue about "chaos is a ladder" though, excellent moment. I actually think it's interesting to see what a sadistic little monster Joffrey is turning into. Yeah he was one before too, but it seems like it's developing into something more there.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2013, 07:35:55 AM: I really liked this episode. The climbing the ladder was great in terms of the powerful speech following by the ending of the actual climb for Jon and the wildlings. The show is putting a lot of emphasis on Petyr vs varys which I really like. That's not in the books but the books to hint or show how those two are important characters who will likely play a big role down the line.

Other changes like Melissandra and Thoros was pretty good. Looks like Gendry will take the place of another character which makes some sense but we will see how it goes. The scene with Bran was mostly filler just to get him back on screen but I'm definitely curious to what happens with Osha since she isn't with bran in the books so her fight with Meera was mostly pointless. The conversation between the queen of thorns and Tywin was great. Tywin wins that round. I guess floras will be joining the kingsguard. Sansa going from floras to tyrion was definitely tear worthy for her. Her life pretty much sucks and just when she thought it would get better it gets worse.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 08, 2013, 12:02:25 PM: The moment when you realize there's a city here in Sweden called Västerås. English pronounciation - Westeros.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2013, 02:22:56 PM: Does the mayor sit on an iron throne
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 08, 2013, 02:27:19 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 08, 2013, 12:02:25 PM
The moment when you realize there's a city here in Sweden called Västerås. English pronounciation - Westeros.
Yeah, I always found that quite amusing :lol
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Post by: BlackInk on May 08, 2013, 02:36:27 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 08, 2013, 02:22:56 PM
Does the mayor sit on an iron throne

I bet he does in secret. I would have.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 08, 2013, 02:40:58 PM: Finally caught up to everyone else. Watched Season 1, Episode 1 two weeks ago, and I made it my business to catch up before the Season 3 finale.
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Post by: wasteland on May 08, 2013, 02:43:37 PM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on May 08, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Finally caught up to everyone else. Watched Season 1, Episode 1 two weeks ago, and I made it my business to catch up before the Season 3 finale.

Are you a non book reader? :)
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 08, 2013, 02:48:50 PM: Quote from: wasteland on May 08, 2013, 02:43:37 PM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on May 08, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Finally caught up to everyone else. Watched Season 1, Episode 1 two weeks ago, and I made it my business to catch up before the Season 3 finale.

Are you a non book reader? :)

Correct. If I had the pleasure of reading the books, I most certainly wouldn't have waited two years to give the Series a chance.
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Post by: wasteland on May 08, 2013, 02:53:07 PM: Well, on the other hand there are some book readers who didn't give the series much more than a chance... :\
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 08, 2013, 02:57:22 PM: Sounds like the sort of readers who felt that Peter Jackson's films fell far too short of Tolkien's works. We get it, the book is "always" better.
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Post by: yorost on May 08, 2013, 03:03:10 PM: Quote from: wasteland on May 08, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
Well, on the other hand there are some book readers who didn't give the series much more than a chance... :\
Me, for one. Though it's not about not giving it a chance. ...I'm just happy with the books so don't feel a strong desire to see it! :lol The older I get the less I care about cross-medium works, it seems. I used to love these kinds of things.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 08, 2013, 04:07:25 PM: I really hate to read. I always prefer the movies /series.

For example The Lord of the Rings are among my favorite movies, but could even read through 2 pages of the book.
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Post by: wasteland on May 08, 2013, 04:16:56 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 08, 2013, 04:07:25 PM
I really hate to read. I always prefer the movies /series.

For example The Lord of the Rings are among my favorite movies, but could even read through 2 pages of the book.

Try with the Silmarillion. It's a far easier read loljk
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 08, 2013, 04:32:32 PM: Quote from: wasteland on May 08, 2013, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 08, 2013, 04:07:25 PM
I really hate to read. I always prefer the movies /series.

For example The Lord of the Rings are among my favorite movies, but could even read through 2 pages of the book.

Try with the Silmarillion. It's a far easier read loljk
:neverusethis:
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Post by: wasteland on May 08, 2013, 05:04:28 PM: It really is for me. I never got the complaints. It's one of the easiest and most engaging books I've ever read.
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Post by: soundgarden on May 08, 2013, 06:11:06 PM: I've come to see Theon's story as really unnecessary filler material in this season. The torture scene in the last episode did nothing to forward the story...
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Post by: yorost on May 08, 2013, 09:30:51 PM: Are you sure?
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Post by: BlackInk on May 09, 2013, 02:33:23 AM: Oh yeah that I forgot to mention. Theon's storyline ever since he went home to his father for the first time has actually been irritating. I didn't like his total 180 and invasion of Winterfell and now with this torture stuff is barely watchable. I get that it's kinda supposed to do that but I sincerly mean all those things in a bad way. Just make something happen allready, I'd like to see him talk to Robb or really just anything of purpose.
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Post by: wasteland on May 09, 2013, 02:34:44 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 09, 2013, 02:33:23 AM
Oh yeah that I forgot to mention. Theon's storyline ever since he went home to his father for the first time has actually been irritating. I didn't like his total 180 and invasion of Winterfell and now with this torture stuff is barely watchable. I get that it's kinda supposed to do that but I sincerly mean all those things in a bad way. Just make something happen allready, I'd like to see him talk to Robb or really just anything of purpose.

I can tell you that the Theon storyline in book 5 is the most interesting one, and this part here is laying the ground for it.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2013, 07:21:14 AM: I think this seasons showing of theon will only be him getting tortured. I think the show had him in a fairly big role the last season and they probably didn't want him to totally dissapear for two seasons like he does in the books. It'll keep the viewers in touch with theon and who he becomes due to his severe torturing that we are seeing.

I'm almost done with book 5 and Theons story is definitely interesting and this is groundwork in the show. I can see how it doesn't feel like its going anywhere but I think its important for the show to show people. I'm actually really liking the changes in the show. I bet RR is giving the writers hints on what's to come so they can focus on leading to that instead of putting time to a minor story that has little to no consequence to the main plots.
Quote from: wasteland on May 09, 2013, 02:34:44 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 09, 2013, 02:33:23 AM
Oh yeah that I forgot to mention. Theon's storyline ever since he went home to his father for the first time has actually been irritating. I didn't like his total 180 and invasion of Winterfell and now with this torture stuff is barely watchable. I get that it's kinda supposed to do that but I sincerly mean all those things in a bad way. Just make something happen allready, I'd like to see him talk to Robb or really just anything of purpose.

I can tell you that the Theon storyline in book 5 is the most interesting one, and this part here is laying the ground for it.
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Post by: Sigz on May 10, 2013, 10:14:56 AM: Yeah, all the Theon stuff right now is really just setting things up for the future.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 10, 2013, 12:37:10 PM: Theon's stuff will payoff, bear with it.
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Post by: GuineaPig on May 12, 2013, 12:51:44 AM: Excited for tonight's episode. Martin/Maclaren is like one of the best possible writer/director combos on TV.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2013, 04:32:45 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on May 12, 2013, 12:51:44 AM
Excited for tonight's episode. Martin/Maclaren is like one of the best possible writer/director combos on TV.
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Post by: wasteland on May 12, 2013, 07:12:10 AM: I'm not sure it will be able to best Episode 4 and Episode 5. Those were seriously the best episodes of the whole show, so far.
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Post by: Jaq on May 12, 2013, 07:27:34 AM: Assuming the two big events in Storm of Swords get handled properly, yeah, those episodes can be topped. :lol
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Post by: wasteland on May 12, 2013, 12:20:18 PM: I have higher expectations for the "Blood and Gold" scene rather than the Purple Wedding. That should be the best thing ever.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 12, 2013, 01:22:33 PM: Quote from: wasteland on May 12, 2013, 12:20:18 PM
I have higher expectations for the "Blood and Gold" scene rather than the Purple Wedding. That should be the best thing ever.
What was that again? It's been a while since I read the books.
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 12, 2013, 02:39:49 PM: I'm pretty excited for tonight's episode, as well. I've really gotten to LOVE the storyline surrounding the wall and the wildlings.
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Post by: wasteland on May 12, 2013, 04:28:56 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on May 12, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: wasteland on May 12, 2013, 12:20:18 PM
I have higher expectations for the "Blood and Gold" scene rather than the Purple Wedding. That should be the best thing ever.
What was that again? It's been a while since I read the books.
The loo scene, quarrel in the bowels.
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Post by: Jaq on May 12, 2013, 04:57:19 PM: That wasn't even one of the two things I was mentioning. Make that THREE things then! :lol
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 12, 2013, 05:05:47 PM: This will be my first time watching the show when it premieres. Can't wait!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2013, 11:58:45 AM: Another great episode. Theons (https://www.gullbergs.se/ProductImages/35-16-012/3516012/1/50x50/Sax-Fiskars-junior-h%C3%B6ger.jpg) (https://www.gullbergs.se/ProductImages/35-16-012/3516012/1/50x50/Sax-Fiskars-junior-h%C3%B6ger.jpg) scene.....GoT why you do that to me?
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Post by: BlackInk on May 13, 2013, 12:48:47 PM: I know you guys have explained that the Theon stuff will pay off, but by this point it's just annoying to watch. It's not interesting, it's not fun, it's not really making any point other than what we've already been shown a hundred times. Either don't show Theon or make something happen already!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2013, 12:57:07 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2013, 11:58:45 AM
Another great episode. Theons (https://www.gullbergs.se/ProductImages/35-16-012/3516012/1/50x50/Sax-Fiskars-junior-h%C3%B6ger.jpg) (https://www.gullbergs.se/ProductImages/35-16-012/3516012/1/50x50/Sax-Fiskars-junior-h%C3%B6ger.jpg) scene.....GoT why you do that to me?
That was brutal!!!!

And, for whatever reason I have a bad feeling about Rob and his new wife. The emphasis they put on how ticked off that guy is going to be about them being late.....the looks his mom gave....making such a big deal about going to meet his wife's mom....then the baby on he way....oooo I love you soooo much.....things like that stick out for a reason it seems.

And I'm starting to like Jamie more and more.
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 13, 2013, 01:54:35 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 13, 2013, 12:48:47 PM
I know you guys have explained that the Theon stuff will pay off, but by this point it's just annoying to watch. It's not interesting, it's not fun, it's not really making any point other than what we've already been shown a hundred times. Either don't show Theon or make something happen already!
I don't know what happens to Theon since I haven't read the books, but to me it looks like they are setting Theon up so that his story becomes incredibly intense. After having all this shit happen to him, I really see him becoming a complete loose cannon that is just out to kill anyone and everyone. This torturing-storyline is really going to fuck his character up.

IMHO, in order to justify a potentially incredibly intense storyline for Theon, they are really taking the time to show what happened to him to make him act a certain way in the future.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
And I'm starting to like Jamie more and more.

Same here. I've actually developed quite a bit of sympathy for him since he got his hand cut-off, and then I've actually caught myself to even like his character when he when back to horrenhor (forgive my spelling).
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2013, 02:18:45 PM: I'm curious to see what 'the dog' does wih Arya as well. I can't figure the dog out. He helped and protected Sansa a d seems to have a 'nice' side but he's brutal as all hell as well.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 13, 2013, 03:04:55 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 13, 2013, 12:48:47 PM
I know you guys have explained that the Theon stuff will pay off, but by this point it's just annoying to watch. It's not interesting, it's not fun, it's not really making any point other than what we've already been shown a hundred times. Either don't show Theon or make something happen already!
If they had followed the books, you wouldn't see Theon for this season and the next, I was hoping they'd have the balls to do that but apparently Alfie Allen is a hit with the TV viewers so we get this.

I was watching this episode last night with some friends and they are convinced that the dude torturing him is a Karstark, to which I told them "but how do you not he's not lying? He even said that to Theon!" but that didn't change their mind. Oh well!
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Post by: TheVoxyn on May 13, 2013, 04:14:44 PM: I've personally loved Jamie ever since he pushed Bran out of a window but it seems the writers are doing a pretty good job with making him like-able, all of my friends have made a complete 180 regarding him in the past few episodes. Favourite part of the newest episode was Tywin completely dominating Joffrey.

#teamlannister
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Post by: masterthes on May 13, 2013, 05:10:02 PM: I couldn't help but feel bad for Theon. That was just wrong
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2013, 06:12:33 PM: The Theon stuff is a bit over done at this point, hopefully thats the end of the torture scenes for a few episodes. This season is going to end with a bang, but I felt the last episode was mostly filler trying to slowly lead all these storylines to a point. I wish they focused more on one set of characters in each episode like the climbing of the wall and large focus on Jon's storyline.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2013, 07:55:19 PM: Quote from: masterthes on May 13, 2013, 05:10:02 PM
I couldn't help but feel bad for Theon. That was just wrong
I'm genuinely curious as to if he cut off the sack only, shaft only, or both? I've honestly spent a good half hour in thought about it today. What the heck? I think it's just the thought of that happening....it's like an unwritten code among men, do anything you want....you can even kick and crush the goodies...but you can't just chop them off. :omg:
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Post by: Genowyn on May 13, 2013, 11:50:15 PM: I think the book talks about them using the same partially skinning and letting it fester technique that they use on the fingers.

So yeah.
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Post by: wasteland on May 14, 2013, 02:19:30 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on May 13, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
I think the book talks about them using the same partially skinning and letting it fester technique that they use on the fingers.

So yeah.

Regular everyday Ramsey
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 14, 2013, 04:21:59 AM: Quote from: TheVoxyn on May 13, 2013, 04:14:44 PM
Favourite part of the newest episode was Tywin completely dominating Joffrey.
Oh that was the greatest thing ever.
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Post by: wasteland on May 14, 2013, 04:57:20 AM: The sound of his footsteps as he was climbing to the throne was just epicness distilled.
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Post by: yorost on May 14, 2013, 07:42:46 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on May 13, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
I think the book talks about them using the same partially skinning and letting it fester technique that they use on the fingers.

So yeah.
I thought the books never really talked about what happened, we just got left with an impression that something down there happened.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 14, 2013, 08:22:41 AM: Yeah, the books implied it, but never outright said it happened.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2013, 08:55:01 AM: Concerning Theons torturer, is it revealed who he is and specifically 'why' he's torturing him? I mean, he is really putting it to him. I guess I'm confused because I'm not sure how he even got there. It was 'his' soldiers who knocked him out lady season....did they sell him or something or are/were they just keeping an eye on him?
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Post by: Podaar on May 14, 2013, 08:59:56 AM: Quote from: ResultsMayVary on May 13, 2013, 01:54:35 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
And I'm starting to like Jamie more and more.

Same here. I've actually developed quite a bit of sympathy for him since he got his hand cut-off, and then I've actually caught myself to even like his character when he when back to horrenhor (forgive my spelling).

The best parts of the stories, book wise, was the authors ability to present complicated characters who could elicit conflicting emotions in the reader. Honestly, when they started this series I didn't know how they would pull that off but I must tip my hat to the screenwriters and producers. Jamie and Theon are the poster children for having revolting traits, actions and motivations but can produce such strong feelings of pity and empathy in the viewer/reader. This series is masterful! :hefdaddy
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 14, 2013, 09:03:40 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2013, 08:55:01 AM
Concerning Theons torturer, is it revealed who he is and specifically 'why' he's torturing him? I mean, he is really putting it to him. I guess I'm confused because I'm not sure how he even got there. It was 'his' soldiers who knocked him out lady season....did they sell him or something or are/were they just keeping an eye on him?
Yes it's reveal who is torturing him and if you rewatch the second season episode where Robb is told that Winterfell has been taken, you have a pretty good idea of who has him.

Now, I'm guessing is that his Ironborn just picked him up, went outside of Winterfell, left him there and left for the Iron Islands, guessing because it happened different from the books.
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Post by: Podaar on May 14, 2013, 09:10:51 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 14, 2013, 09:03:40 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2013, 08:55:01 AM
Concerning Theons torturer, is it revealed who he is and specifically 'why' he's torturing him? I mean, he is really putting it to him. I guess I'm confused because I'm not sure how he even got there. It was 'his' soldiers who knocked him out lady season....did they sell him or something or are/were they just keeping an eye on him?
Yes it's reveal who is torturing him and if you rewatch the second season episode where Robb is told that Winterfell has been taken, you have a pretty good idea of who has him.

Now, I'm guessing is that his Ironborn just picked him up, went outside of Winterfell, left him there and left for the Iron Islands, guessing because it happened different from the books.

The 'why' is a very unexpected reason. I wouldn't dream of spoiling the surprise. Yet, it may be very difficult for the subtlety of the motivation to be conveyed properly in a TV series. I've been surprised by the skill of the producers so far, so we'll just need to wait and see.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 14, 2013, 09:52:22 AM: I don't remember the dialogue when Robb is told about Winterfell, and I don't really feel like finding it, could someone say? Warn for spoilers if you feel it's needed.

And if it's revealed in the books or something that it's someone else I don't want to know that, only the clues that were given in the season 2 episode.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 14, 2013, 09:55:56 AM: I was about to answer this, BlackInk, but then I remember that it will be better if I don't because it might diminish/ruined something that will happen on episode 9.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2013, 01:13:39 PM: I'm happy to learn there is at least some revelation as to why. I can't recall that conversation you speak of with Robb...I may invest some time to search it out but for now just knowing there will be info to come is enough for me.

And, I thought (was hoping) that as Arya made her escape into the night that her Wolf was going to appear....as if he'd been there watching over all along. I really want them to reunite for some reason.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 14, 2013, 01:31:33 PM: In the books, Nymeria (Arya's direwolf) is mentioned a few times throughout! She's currently leading a pack of wolves in the Riverlands (Riverrun, Harrenhal, The Botherhood Without Banners and Arya are all around the Riverlands) being a total badass killing anyone who comes to where they are and expanding their zone!

She should make a mini appearance soon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on May 14, 2013, 03:37:01 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 14, 2013, 01:31:33 PM
In the books, Nymeria (Arya's direwolf) is mentioned a few times throughout! She's currently leading a pack of wolves in the Riverlands (Riverrun, Harrenhal, The Botherhood Without Banners and Arya are all around the Riverlands) being a total badass killing anyone who comes to where they are and expanding their zone!

She should make a mini appearance soon.

When we were watching last Sunday's episode, my wife commented that her one great disappointment with the TV series is the lack screen time for the dire wolves. It's true that they all played a much bigger role in the books and were largely responsible for the mystic surrounding the Stark family and John Snow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 16, 2013, 07:21:24 AM: So, I've only just started watching GoT, only seen three episodes of the first season so far. Really liking it though, very engaging! I've browsed this thread a little, but not too thoroughly as I don't want to spoil things too much for myself! :P

Favourite characters so far are Arya, Tyrion and Jon Snow. With the latter, it's not only because he shares his name with a Channel 4 news presenter.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 16, 2013, 08:11:21 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 16, 2013, 07:21:24 AM
Favourite characters so far are Arya, Tyrion and Jon Snow. With the latter, it's not only because he shares his name with a Channel 4 news presenter.

Also, the former Treasury Secretary.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 16, 2013, 08:44:23 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 16, 2013, 07:21:24 AM
So, I've only just started watching GoT, only seen three episodes of the first season so far. Really liking it though, very engaging! I've browsed this thread a little, but not too thoroughly as I don't want to spoil things too much for myself! :P

Favourite characters so far are Arya, Tyrion and Jon Snow. With the latter, it's not only because he shares his name with a Channel 4 news presenter.
Enjoy the ride! :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on May 16, 2013, 08:32:33 PM: (https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/945591_10151691924165649_901110144_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 16, 2013, 08:57:09 PM: That's really cool! :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2013, 04:34:55 AM: Nice
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2013, 04:38:43 AM: (https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/needbooze_zps23c5e755.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 20, 2013, 12:13:51 AM: The White Walkers, also known as the Others, the most fearsome creatures next to dragons that bring cold wintery death with them where ever they go. Their shrill screams bring the dead with them, massive walls were built to keep them out of Westeros. And the first person to kill one after eight thousand years was none other than Ser Piggy, the Lord of Ham himself, Samwell Tarly of Horn Hill!

Take a moment and appreciate that fucking poetry!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 20, 2013, 03:37:24 AM: Amazing episode this week.

My first thought when Sam killed the Walker was "well that was easy". Then I remembered that he did it with that dragon-something spear tip he found. So I really hope that's what did it, because if all it takes to kill a White Walker is one stab in the shoulder I'd be disappointed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on May 20, 2013, 03:56:51 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2013, 03:37:24 AM
Amazing episode this week.

My first thought when Sam killed the Walker was "well that was easy". Then I remembered that he did it with that dragon-something spear tip he found. So I really hope that's what did it, because if all it takes to kill a White Walker is one stab in the shoulder I'd be disappointed.

Yes, the dragonglass made the trick :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2013, 06:33:35 AM: Quote from: wasteland on May 20, 2013, 03:56:51 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2013, 03:37:24 AM
Amazing episode this week.

My first thought when Sam killed the Walker was "well that was easy". Then I remembered that he did it with that dragon-something spear tip he found. So I really hope that's what did it, because if all it takes to kill a White Walker is one stab in the shoulder I'd be disappointed.

Yes, the dragonglass made the trick :tup

And he ran off and left it behind!!! :facepalm:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on May 20, 2013, 09:16:12 AM: Finished it. Third perfect episode of this season, after #4 and #5. My hopes for the next two episodes are on the rise!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 20, 2013, 11:47:56 AM: Loved the whole wedding sequence :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 12:45:40 PM: The next episode should be joyous and uplifting!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 20, 2013, 12:46:41 PM: "I vomited on a girl once...In the middle of the act.... Not proud of it, but I think honesty is important"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 20, 2013, 01:36:15 PM: If this show keeps pile up great episodes like this, i don't know what to do....(https://www.wouldyouhitthis.com/smilies/ahh.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 20, 2013, 01:37:45 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
The next episode should be joyous and uplifting!
I seriously CAN NOT WAIT to see how they're going to do this :corn
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2013, 01:40:45 PM: Is there only 2 episodes left this season....or is 2 until a mid season break? And, did that say the next episode is in 2 weeks? I guess because of Memorial Day?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 20, 2013, 01:44:05 PM: Yes, no, yes, yes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 20, 2013, 01:45:13 PM: Yea, there is no new episode next week. The last two episodes of the season are airing on June 2nd and June 9th. They also will start filming season 4 sometime this summer and we'll be set up with a season 4 premiere sometime around March/April 2014.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2013, 02:02:25 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 20, 2013, 01:44:05 PM
Yes, no, yes, yes.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on May 20, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Yea, there is no new episode next week. The last two episodes of the season are airing on June 2nd and June 9th. They also will start filming season 4 sometime this summer and we'll be set up with a season 4 premiere sometime around March/April 2014.

Wow. Seems like that season flew by.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2013, 11:56:00 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 20, 2013, 12:13:51 AM
The White Walkers, also known as the Others, the most fearsome creatures next to dragons that bring cold wintery death with them where ever they go. Their shrill screams bring the dead with them, massive walls were built to keep them out of Westeros. And the first person to kill one after eight thousand years was none other than Ser Piggy, the Lord of Ham himself, Samwell Tarly of Horn Hill!

Take a moment and appreciate that fucking poetry!

Sorry to ruin your fun, but Jon killed one in season 1. Also one was killed in the first episode this season by being burned and probably more were killed in the battle of the fist of first men that wasn't shown in episode 1. I would also assume wildlings have killed them, but I do believe this was the first time one was killed with dragon glass.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2013, 06:33:35 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 20, 2013, 03:56:51 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2013, 03:37:24 AM
Amazing episode this week.

My first thought when Sam killed the Walker was "well that was easy". Then I remembered that he did it with that dragon-something spear tip he found. So I really hope that's what did it, because if all it takes to kill a White Walker is one stab in the shoulder I'd be disappointed.

Yes, the dragonglass made the trick :tup

And he ran off and left it behind!!! :facepalm:

In the books the glass shatters. Not sure if it happened in the show though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: bertoltus on May 22, 2013, 01:52:01 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on May 20, 2013, 12:13:51 AM
The White Walkers, also known as the Others, the most fearsome creatures next to dragons that bring cold wintery death with them where ever they go. Their shrill screams bring the dead with them, massive walls were built to keep them out of Westeros. And the first person to kill one after eight thousand years was none other than Ser Piggy, the Lord of Ham himself, Samwell Tarly of Horn Hill!

Take a moment and appreciate that fucking poetry!

Sorry to ruin your fun, but Jon killed one in season 1. Also one was killed in the first episode this season by being burned and probably more were killed in the battle of the fist of first men that wasn't shown in episode 1. I would also assume wildlings have killed them, but I do believe this was the first time one was killed with dragon glass.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2013, 06:33:35 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 20, 2013, 03:56:51 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2013, 03:37:24 AM
Amazing episode this week.

My first thought when Sam killed the Walker was "well that was easy". Then I remembered that he did it with that dragon-something spear tip he found. So I really hope that's what did it, because if all it takes to kill a White Walker is one stab in the shoulder I'd be disappointed.

Yes, the dragonglass made the trick :tup

And he ran off and left it behind!!! :facepalm:

In the books the glass shatters. Not sure if it happened in the show though.

Actually, I always understood it in a way that there are two kinds of Others, the ordinary wights and the infamous white walkers. The wights are simply reanimated bodies, vulnerable to fire, while the actual white walkers are more like liches who also wield some kind of absurdly sharp blades. And Samwell is actually the first person to kill one of the latter ones.

Minor spoiler ahead:

(Also, in the books the dagger shatters when Sam tries to attack a wight that is wearing chainmail.)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on May 22, 2013, 02:05:23 PM: Having watched the preview for the next episode, I'm somewhat disappointed that they chose to keep Edmure's wedding and even show it on screen. Given that said happening is hardly relevant and takes no more than a few pages on the books I would have liked it better had the producer chosen to dedicate some more screen time to show some tits or some character developement.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 22, 2013, 02:07:16 PM: Quote from: wasteland on May 22, 2013, 02:05:23 PM
Having watched the preview for the next episode, I'm somewhat disappointed that they chose to keep Edmure's wedding and even show it on screen. Given that said happening is hardly relevant and takes no more than a few pages on the books I would have liked it better had the producer chosen to dedicate some more screen time to show some tits or some character developement.
I don't even remember that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on May 22, 2013, 02:15:18 PM: Correct, Sam killed an Other. The rest killed were wights, which are sort of like minions of the Others.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2013, 02:20:46 PM: Interesting. I didn't catch that while reading the books although the references wights and others but always thought they were the same. Has the show made a distinction?

Spoiler question below...

is cold hands a wight then? I certainly got the feeling that he was something like a wight walker but a good one. Maybe even Cersai's champion as well at the end of DwD?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 22, 2013, 02:27:40 PM: Quote from: bertoltus on May 22, 2013, 01:52:01 PM
Actually, I always understood it in a way that there are two kinds of Others, the ordinary wights and the infamous white walkers. The wights are simply reanimated bodies, vulnerable to fire, while the actual white walkers are more like liches who also wield some kind of absurdly sharp blades. And Samwell is actually the first person to kill one of the latter ones.
To me, the Others and the White Walkers are just one in the same. The wights are just zombies/reanimated corpses the Others use as grunts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: bertoltus on May 22, 2013, 02:34:00 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
Interesting. I didn't catch that while reading the books although the references wights and others but always thought they were the same. Has the show made a distinction?

Spoiler question below...

is cold hands a wight then? I certainly got the feeling that he was something like a wight walker but a good one. Maybe even Cersai's champion as well at the end of DwD?

There's a popular theory that Coldhands is a wight being possessed by a skinchanger (namely Benjen). As for Cersei's champion, I think he's the result of the same spell that was used on Khal Drogo, and that's a different kind of magic.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on May 22, 2013, 02:34:12 PM: White Walkers and Others are the same, it's just a matter of different people giving different names.

Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
is cold hands a wight then? I certainly got the feeling that he was something like a wight walker but a good one. Maybe even Cersai's champion as well at the end of DwD?
First, it's not clear the Others are really that evil. There are suggestions that they are not, so we really don't know enough to draw any conclusions about them or Coldhands and others similar to them. All we know is that Coldhands is similar to Others and wights, but there are distinct differences ...so who knows.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2013, 04:30:35 AM: Quote from: bertoltus on May 22, 2013, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
Interesting. I didn't catch that while reading the books although the references wights and others but always thought they were the same. Has the show made a distinction?

Spoiler question below...

is cold hands a wight then? I certainly got the feeling that he was something like a wight walker but a good one. Maybe even Cersai's champion as well at the end of DwD?

There's a popular theory that Coldhands is a wight being possessed by a skinchanger (namely Benjen). As for Cersei's champion, I think he's the result of the same spell that was used on Khal Drogo, and that's a different kind of magic.

interesting theory. I thought it was possible that cold hands was actually Ben jen just turned other since he covers his face so Bran can't see him
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 23, 2013, 06:14:40 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 23, 2013, 04:30:35 AM
Quote from: bertoltus on May 22, 2013, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
Interesting. I didn't catch that while reading the books although the references wights and others but always thought they were the same. Has the show made a distinction?

Spoiler question below...

is cold hands a wight then? I certainly got the feeling that he was something like a wight walker but a good one. Maybe even Cersai's champion as well at the end of DwD?

There's a popular theory that Coldhands is a wight being possessed by a skinchanger (namely Benjen). As for Cersei's champion, I think he's the result of the same spell that was used on Khal Drogo, and that's a different kind of magic.

interesting theory. I thought it was possible that cold hands was actually Ben jen just turned other since he covers his face so Bran can't see him
The theory against Coldhands being Benjen is that both Coldhands and Leaf (the Children of the Forest Bran meets) say he's been dead for years, "they killed him long ago" I think it's the exact quote from Leaf (Benjen, if he indeed was killed, has been dead for 3 years max). But Coldhands has to be some member of the Night's Watch because of how he dresses and refers to Sam.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2013, 09:19:11 AM: Guys, the small text is getting to be annoying, and if I'm not mistaken most of it belongs in the thread about the novels, not the show, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on May 23, 2013, 09:24:18 AM: Right now yes, but using small text it's the only option we have when we speculate on how the show could portray something we know it's going to happen in the future. Unless we bring that too directly to the ASOIAF thread.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on May 23, 2013, 09:30:13 AM: Quote from: wasteland on May 23, 2013, 09:24:18 AM
Right now yes, but using small text it's the only option we have when we speculate on how the show could portray something we know it's going to happen in the future. Unless we bring that too directly to the ASOIAF thread.
This, it's been the standard way for us to hide spoilers in many threads. Not nice to call it annoying, we're discussing on topic and being careful about it. The questions started in relation to the tv series, clarifying from the books is pretty natural.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2013, 09:33:23 AM: It's still annoying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on May 23, 2013, 09:35:09 AM: I'll post spoilers in bold font from now on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 23, 2013, 09:37:24 AM: Quote from: yorost on May 23, 2013, 09:35:09 AM
I'll post spoilers in bold font from now on.
And make them size 23.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2013, 10:22:29 AM: I understand the conversation went beyond the show, but it started based on the show and it is really the only way to relate what's happening in the show without spoiling for others. It may be annoying to some but its probably less annoying then saying it without small font.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2013, 02:54:40 PM: Quote from: yorost on May 23, 2013, 09:35:09 AM
I'll post spoilers in bold font from now on.
lol

Wait, aren't you the one who isn't even watching the show?

At any rate, keep doing what you're doing. I don't see a better alternative. I will be silently annoyed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 24, 2013, 05:11:46 PM: Hef, have you read the books? I didnt read until the end of season two and I greatly appreciated the spoilers being hidden in this thread, but I get your point. It is kind of annoying, but the ASOIAF thread doesn't really have much chatter going on since most people are talking more about the show and then the readers talk about how it relates to the books, thanks for letting us continue.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 24, 2013, 08:22:02 PM: That was a great episode. And actually they're holding back a new episode to show the Liberace movie instead
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on May 24, 2013, 10:21:17 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2013, 02:54:40 PM
Quote from: yorost on May 23, 2013, 09:35:09 AM
I'll post spoilers in bold font from now on.
lol

Wait, aren't you the one who isn't even watching the show

What difference does that make? I'm a fan of the series so have an interest in the tv show and its discussion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2013, 03:43:17 AM: Quote from: yorost on May 24, 2013, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2013, 02:54:40 PM
Quote from: yorost on May 23, 2013, 09:35:09 AM
I'll post spoilers in bold font from now on.
lol

Wait, aren't you the one who isn't even watching the show

What difference does that make? I'm a fan of the series so have an interest in the tv show and its discussion.
Whatever, dude. Not a big deal, calm down. I just don't get it. Carry on.

Yeah, I've read the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2013, 08:29:00 AM: Quote from: masterthes on May 24, 2013, 08:22:02 PM
That was a great episode. And actually they're holding back a new episode to show the Liberace movie instead

They are holding it back because of the holiday weekend in the US. They aired Blackwater last memorial day weekend and it got poor ratings even though it was the best episode of the series. The next episode is big and HBO is learning from their mistake. I do wish it were on though cause I don't want to keep waiting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Jaq on May 25, 2013, 11:05:19 AM: It took me three seconds last week to figure out why GoT wasn't on this week. "Wait, what...oh yeah, the biggest episode of the season last year played Memorial Day weekend and lost over a million viewers." They don't want to make that mistake with what's coming :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on May 25, 2013, 11:22:34 AM: Quote from: Jaq on May 25, 2013, 11:05:19 AM
It took me three seconds last week to figure out why GoT wasn't on this week. "Wait, what...oh yeah, the biggest episode of the season last year played Memorial Day weekend and lost over a million viewers." They don't want to make that mistake with what's coming :lol

Winter? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2013, 03:51:10 PM: Quote from: wasteland on May 25, 2013, 11:22:34 AM
Quote from: Jaq on May 25, 2013, 11:05:19 AM
It took me three seconds last week to figure out why GoT wasn't on this week. "Wait, what...oh yeah, the biggest episode of the season last year played Memorial Day weekend and lost over a million viewers." They don't want to make that mistake with what's coming :lol

Winter? :neverusethis:
Yes, that's it exactly. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on May 25, 2013, 11:19:30 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2013, 03:43:17 AM
Quote from: yorost on May 24, 2013, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2013, 02:54:40 PM
Quote from: yorost on May 23, 2013, 09:35:09 AM
I'll post spoilers in bold font from now on.
lol

Wait, aren't you the one who isn't even watching the show

What difference does that make? I'm a fan of the series so have an interest in the tv show and its discussion.
Whatever, dude. Not a big deal, calm down. I just don't get it. Carry on.

Yeah, I've read the books.
Calm down? I just didn't get your remark.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 26, 2013, 04:38:07 AM: WE ARE CLEARLY MISCOMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER.

Shake?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on May 26, 2013, 09:34:10 AM: Malt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 26, 2013, 01:55:13 PM: Even better.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 31, 2013, 09:00:46 AM: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10066239/Game-of-Thrones-star-rebels-over-topless-scenes.html

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Its combination of medieval fantasy and titillating nude scenes have helped to make Game of Thrones one of television’s most popular dramas.

Now, however, a star of the series has disclosed that one of its leading actresses has refused to appear in any more topless shots.
Oona Chaplin, who plays the noblewoman Talisa Maegyr, tells Mandrake: “One of the girls in the show who got her kit off the most in the first couple of seasons now doesn’t at all because she said, 'I want to be known for my acting not for my breasts.’ ”

The granddaughter of Charlie Chaplin refuses to name the actress, but there has been much comment among viewers about Emilia Clarke, who plays the exiled princess Daenerys Targaryen, no longer appearing in such scenes.

Chaplin, 26, says she has no problem with the nudity herself. “I’m quite controversial when it comes to that because I adore women’s bodies,” she says at the first night of The Great Gatsby ballet at Sadler’s Wells. “If it’s done in a beautiful way, in a way that honours the female form, then I’m always happy to see it.”

From that description I would think she's referring to Emilia Clarke but she got nude again this year, so I'm going with Esmé Bianco who hadn't been nude until her death scene.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2013, 09:29:47 AM: As much as I like naked ladies, the show doesn't need it so I'm not against the idea of toning it down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 31, 2013, 09:39:01 AM: I'm fine with that if that what it comes down to
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on May 31, 2013, 10:57:00 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2013, 09:29:47 AM
As much as I like naked ladies, the show doesn't need it so I'm not against the idea of toning it down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: bertoltus on May 31, 2013, 11:38:44 AM: I'm really glad they killed her off. Her nipples were about as plot-relevant as nipples on a breastplate.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on May 31, 2013, 11:40:47 AM: I was starting to sympathize with her, so it was really in line with the ASOIAF policy that she was immediately killed off :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on May 31, 2013, 01:19:58 PM: Quote from: wasteland on May 31, 2013, 11:40:47 AM
I was starting to sympathize with her, so it was really in line with the ASOIAF policy that she was immediately killed off :lol

:lol It's only funny because it's so true.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 31, 2013, 03:39:21 PM: (https://www.withabang.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tumblr_lmpk76yoo51qbpxr5o1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 02, 2013, 06:01:43 PM: Almost time for episode 9. :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on June 02, 2013, 06:08:14 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 31, 2013, 09:00:46 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10066239/Game-of-Thrones-star-rebels-over-topless-scenes.html

Quote
Its combination of medieval fantasy and titillating nude scenes have helped to make Game of Thrones one of television’s most popular dramas.

Now, however, a star of the series has disclosed that one of its leading actresses has refused to appear in any more topless shots.
Oona Chaplin, who plays the noblewoman Talisa Maegyr, tells Mandrake: “One of the girls in the show who got her kit off the most in the first couple of seasons now doesn’t at all because she said, 'I want to be known for my acting not for my breasts.’ ”

The granddaughter of Charlie Chaplin refuses to name the actress, but there has been much comment among viewers about Emilia Clarke, who plays the exiled princess Daenerys Targaryen, no longer appearing in such scenes.

Chaplin, 26, says she has no problem with the nudity herself. “I’m quite controversial when it comes to that because I adore women’s bodies,” she says at the first night of The Great Gatsby ballet at Sadler’s Wells. “If it’s done in a beautiful way, in a way that honours the female form, then I’m always happy to see it.”

From that description I would think she's referring to Emilia Clarke but she got nude again this year, so I'm going with Esmé Bianco who hadn't been nude until her death scene.

As long as it's not Natalie Dormer, I'm good.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 02, 2013, 08:01:43 PM: Wow....
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Post by: Jaq on June 02, 2013, 08:04:53 PM: It starts. :lol
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 08:08:34 PM: Won't be able to watch until Wednesday, but until then, I will be drinking in the tears.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 02, 2013, 08:19:04 PM: I said God damn...
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Post by: Super Dude on June 02, 2013, 08:22:44 PM: Welp.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 02, 2013, 08:26:46 PM: Well done. :corn
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 02, 2013, 09:57:29 PM: Holy fuck, that was dark. :omg:
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 02, 2013, 10:33:24 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on May 31, 2013, 03:39:21 PM
(https://www.withabang.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tumblr_lmpk76yoo51qbpxr5o1_400.jpg)

While it was happening during this episode, I turned to my dad and sis who were both gaping at what was happening and said, "I can only hope to one day be as heart-crushing a writer as George R.R. Martin is." :biggrin:
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 10:42:15 PM: Yeah, I thought that picture was very appropriate too. :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2013, 10:43:36 PM: That was insane! It is cool not to have known what was going to happen by having not read the books, but having a hunch based on how good a job that show does at leaving subtle clues.
Just an intense scene starting with the change of mood music. Well done for sure. And the John Snow scene was great also. Bummed there's only one episode left.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 02, 2013, 10:45:37 PM: My God that was beautiful carnage!!

Well worth the 3-year wait!

Seriously, as it was happening I kept turning to my non-book reading friends and seeing their looks of disbelief and when the credits started there was 20 full seconds of complete stun silence! GLORIOUS!!!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2013, 10:50:52 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 02, 2013, 10:45:37 PM
My God that was beautiful carnage!!

Well worth the 3-year wait!

Seriously, as it was happening I kept turning to my non-book reading friends and seeing their looks of disbelief and when the credits started there was 20 full seconds of complete stun silence! GLORIOUS!!!

I just kept thinking to myself as it was happening..."the friggin balls of this story to continually do this stuff".....it really is what makes this show great.
I mean Rob Stark was a stud. They even gave him a great goodbye by allowing him to survive the carnage...make his way to his dead wife....stand up proud and tall and just take it.
Then his mom...wow...such an important character...see ya!! Wow...just isn't the right word.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 10:59:36 PM: https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 02, 2013, 11:02:12 PM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 10:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears
I was gonna post that! :lol

That feed is the best thing ever! Literally!
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 02, 2013, 11:05:16 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 02, 2013, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 10:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears
I was gonna post that! :lol

That feed is the best thing ever! Literally!

I'm going through it right now and laughing my ass off at all these threats to boycott the show. :biggrin:
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 11:05:41 PM: I wonder how many of them are going to follow through on their threats? :D
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 02, 2013, 11:06:35 PM: None!!
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 02, 2013, 11:10:01 PM: Haven't watched yet. Expectations are now raised to 11 :metal
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2013, 11:10:39 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 02, 2013, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 10:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears
I was gonna post that! :lol

That feed is the best thing ever! Literally!

That can't be real people...can it? Crying? Not watching anymore? Really? Holy cow folks...sounds like a few people need a lesson on 'perspective'
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Post by: TioJorge on June 02, 2013, 11:13:09 PM: Welp, I haven't watched a lick of S3 until catching up yesterday night and all of today, just in time for the finale.... This is my favorite show. It wasn't until this final episode but it has just surpassed Breaking Bad for me... That was god damn sexy as all hell. I love the naive little shits getting their panties all wadded up over this. They have no idea... This was great. Absolutely orgasmic episode. Red Wedding. Finished. As did I. Mmmm.....so hard.
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Post by: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 12:51:18 AM: I'm going to watch this during my lunch break. It's going to be crudely exciting :biggrin:
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 03, 2013, 02:27:26 AM: Just watched it with a friend. Priceless :biggrin:
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Post by: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 02:29:40 AM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on June 03, 2013, 02:27:26 AM
Just watched it with a friend. Priceless :biggrin:

I read people complaining (most noticebly the administrator at westeros.org) about the episode. Did you like it?
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 03, 2013, 02:33:43 AM: Yes, I liked it. I couldn't have asked for the red wedding to be done better. However, this might have been the first episode ever to feature no lannisters what so ever. That's never a good thing.
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Post by: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 02:43:53 AM: Well, maybe they were not on screen, but at least they sent us their regards :neverusethis:
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 03, 2013, 03:12:11 AM: They're so considerate :laugh:
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Post by: TheVoxyn on June 03, 2013, 04:12:19 AM: I think there are things they could have done better. What struck me most in the book was that the Rains of Castamere was playing whilst the north was being slaughtered. That showed what a bitch the Freys are and how well the Lannisters (Tywin <3) planned it. Really wondered why they didn't carry on the violin tune whilst Robb was catching arrows, it would have been nice.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 03, 2013, 04:13:21 AM: I'll be honest, I'm a little surprised by their killing off Oona's character. Doesn't her counterpart in the book survive?
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Post by: TheVoxyn on June 03, 2013, 04:17:07 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 03, 2013, 04:13:21 AM
I'll be honest, I'm a little surprised by their killing off Oona's character. Doesn't her counterpart in the book survive?
She isn't even at the wedding in the book
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Post by: Super Dude on June 03, 2013, 04:23:32 AM: Quote from: TheVoxyn on June 03, 2013, 04:17:07 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on June 03, 2013, 04:13:21 AM
I'll be honest, I'm a little surprised by their killing off Oona's character. Doesn't her counterpart in the book survive?
She isn't even at the wedding in the book

Yeah, I liked the scene but it was a shame to see Oona go like that. I was prepared for Robb and Cat, not that.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2013, 04:52:03 AM: I thought it was great. My wife was genuinely upset (she knew nothing about what would happen).
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Post by: BlackInk on June 03, 2013, 05:05:22 AM: Yeah, I was in holy-shit-wtf-just-happened mode for some time, verging on actually upset. I was very sorry to see Robb go, he was probably my favorite of the kings/leaders on the show.
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Post by: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 05:08:31 AM: Well, I knew everything, but :|
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Post by: TheVoxyn on June 03, 2013, 05:12:17 AM: I never really cared for him to be honest. Especially in the series he didn't really contribute much except cheesy scenes with his wife.
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Post by: Jaq on June 03, 2013, 05:22:56 AM: Knowing what was coming didn't help! It was still brutal and awful to watch these people die, especially at the hands of an odious prick like Frey. (Who, you gotta wonder, just why the rest of the Seven Kingdoms at one point just didn't rally together to wipe out on general principle. What a dick.)

Seeing the TV show only viewers go through what we book readers did, though, ahh, that's priceless. If people are really going to boycott a show that proved no one was safe when Ned got knocked off in season 1, well, their loss.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 03, 2013, 06:15:01 AM: I have to be honest, I was pretty apprehensive in the moments leading up to it. Knowing it was going to happen actually probably made it worse for me in that regard. :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2013, 07:28:38 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 03, 2013, 06:15:01 AM
I have to be honest, I was pretty apprehensive in the moments leading up to it. Knowing it was going to happen actually probably made it worse for me in that regard. :lol
Me too. My wife started to catch on about the same time that Cat knew something was amiss, and was watching me brace myself. She was distraught for the rest of the night.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 03, 2013, 07:40:21 AM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 10:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears

So many Robb fans. The show did a good job making him appear the main protagonist of the story.

Quote
George R.R. Martin, why won't you let us have nice things?

:lol
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Post by: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 08:09:40 AM: After repeated watchings I absolutely love the way every bit of live seems to abandon Cat's body since before Black Walder slits her throat. That was some superb acting from Michelle Fairley, award deserving.

Also, the spine chilling smile/look Roose Bolton gives her as she realizes what's to happen after feeling the chainmail. Really strong acting from everybody. I just wish the song was left playing during the first phase of the carnage. It would have been very strong and fitting.

Welcome to the Stark's darkest hour.
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Post by: Perpetual Change on June 03, 2013, 08:41:35 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2013, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 02, 2013, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 10:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears
I was gonna post that! :lol

That feed is the best thing ever! Literally!

That can't be real people...can it? Crying? Not watching anymore? Really? Holy cow folks...sounds like a few people need a lesson on 'perspective'
Sorry, but if you think people crying during a TV show is bad, you obviously missed where Aristotle was going with the whole catharsis thing :P
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Post by: Tyrias on June 03, 2013, 09:00:03 AM: The wedding kind of stole the show, but I think the whole episode was absolutely brilliant. Even knowing what was coming, the others scenes were really captivating. Especially the Jon scenes.
And the moment when the door shut with a bang and the Rains Of Castamere starts playing... chills.
I really liked the contrast. Everyone seemed really happy, especially Robb and his wife (forgot what she's called in the books) and then they get brutally slaughtered and the atmosphere changed almost instantly. In the books, seeing the whole wedding through Catelyn's eyes lessens the impact a bit, since she's suspecting something will happen.
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Post by: TheVoxyn on June 03, 2013, 09:17:30 AM: Quote from: Tyrias on June 03, 2013, 09:00:03 AM
The wedding kind of stole the show, but I think the whole episode was absolutely brilliant. Even knowing what was coming, the others scenes were really captivating. Especially the Jon scenes.
And the moment when the door shut with a bang and the Rains Of Castamere starts playing... chills.
I really liked the contrast. Everyone seemed really happy, especially Robb and his wife (forgot what she's called in the books) and then they get brutally slaughtered and the atmosphere changed almost instantly. In the books, seeing the whole wedding through Catelyn's eyes lessens the impact a bit, since she's suspecting something will happen.
I thought that made it better (the book). Since there was always an eerie sense of something being wrong. And then when the release of that comes, it comes in the worst way possible. I think they should've done it that way in the show, it would be way more memorable that way imo. Also, I'm still annoyed they didn't continue with the violin playing Rains of Castamere whilst things were going on.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 03, 2013, 10:10:48 AM: I would've like too for Rains of Castamere to be playing as it was happening but not enough for it to annoy me, the anticipation of the event happening was brutal! Once that started playing... chills, goosebumps!

It feels like a weight has been lifted off my shoulder to have woken up in a post-Red Wedding world!

Oh and the people who are so mad:

(https://puu.sh/37tYK.jpg)

Also, something the show just touched on that was a much more important point in the novels, when Frey gives them food once they got there that was a sign of protection because they had gain what Westerosi culture calls "guest rights" which meant they were not to be harm until they left The Twins. Which is yet another sign of the Starks adhering to the old ways, believing they were safe because of it!
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Post by: kári on June 03, 2013, 11:34:09 AM: HOLY SHIT
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 03, 2013, 11:45:18 AM: OH.MY.GOD.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 03, 2013, 12:06:40 PM: Yes that was brutal and sad, i liked Robb and Catelyn but goddamn....that is how you do an epic episode! :metal :metal GoT! :heart :hefdaddy
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Post by: Sigz on June 03, 2013, 12:10:07 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/VeHhIOM.jpg)
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 03, 2013, 12:11:20 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 02, 2013, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on June 02, 2013, 10:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears
I was gonna post that! :lol

That feed is the best thing ever! Literally!
Holy shit!!!

:rollin

Come on guys, it wasn't THAT bad. And I've never read any of the books, so last night's events were incredibly surprising and absolutely brutal.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 03, 2013, 12:33:10 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 03, 2013, 10:10:48 AM
Also, something the show just touched on that was a much more important point in the novels, when Frey gives them food once they got there that was a sign of protection because they had gain what Westerosi culture calls "guest rights" which meant they were not to be harm until they left The Twins. Which is yet another sign of the Starks adhering to the old ways, believing they were safe because of it!

Yea, this is important. House Lannister's new ally has broken a very old and sacred custom. The preview for next week shows Tyrion's understanding of what that means for them and house Frey...
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Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2013, 12:35:08 PM: I thought the Red Wedding may have been better in the show by adding Talisa to the death list and the way the Freys were stabbing at her belly. So brutal, but so amazing. The ending with Cat was awesome.

The episode as a whole was really good too. The Jon Snow parts were great. The Bran and Rickon seperating was great and finally it happened. The fighting across the narrow sea was total kick ass. Seeing Jorah Grey Worm and Dhario fighting like that was really awesome.

I'm going to have to watch this again tonight.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 03, 2013, 01:26:18 PM: By the way, let's give some praise to Bran's "stop your Hodoring!" line. My god I laughed a lot at that!
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Post by: abydos on June 03, 2013, 01:42:23 PM: Eh, I don't mind the stupid Starks dying. But why kill the wolves? They are so awesome, always make me sad :(
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 03, 2013, 02:19:37 PM: Quote from: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 08:09:40 AM
After repeated watchings I absolutely love the way every bit of live seems to abandon Cat's body since before Black Walder slits her throat. That was some superb acting from Michelle Fairley, award deserving.
Raymund Frey is the one who killed her. Black Walder was the one who hamstrung some other dude who was fighting, from House Vance I think.
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Post by: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 02:23:42 PM: Ah, I can hardly tell one Frey from another. Not that I want, feh! They are all dead to me. And soon to the rest of Westeros.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 03, 2013, 02:25:09 PM: So my friend just got spoiled again :facepalm: about the purple wedding He just got spoiled about this (the red wedding) a week ago :-[
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Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2013, 02:25:29 PM: Quote from: abydos on June 03, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
Eh, I don't mind the stupid Starks dying. But why kill the wolves? They are so awesome, always make me sad :(

For one, Wilder Frey didn't like the wolf. Second, killing the wolf signifies he is really dead. We know Bran can war into his wolf and while we never know if Robb can do the same, it was implied that he may be able to on the books and the way the lannisters talked about the wolf in the battlefield, it may seem they thought he could warg. Its vague of that's the case but if they don't kill the wolf there is potential for Robb through the wolf to kill a lot of freys.
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Post by: abydos on June 03, 2013, 02:30:13 PM: I know, I've read the books (at least the one for this season). I just really like the wolves.
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Post by: XJDenton on June 03, 2013, 03:33:04 PM: Don't worry. HBO has confirmed a directors cut of the episode where Walder's speech is interrupted by Iron Man bursting through the roof before proceeding to punch and blast every Frey repeatedly in the face.
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Post by: masterthes on June 03, 2013, 03:36:58 PM: Good gravy, that was one of the best episodes of the whole series. I cannot wait until next week
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Post by: Marion Crane on June 03, 2013, 03:51:43 PM: (https://img.pandawhale.com/63221-game-of-thrones-wedding-crashe-3ulc.jpeg)
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Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2013, 04:02:44 PM: Nice, but maybe the background should be all the ugly Frey girls?
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Post by: emindead on June 03, 2013, 04:36:33 PM: I mean, it doesn't get better than this episode. I don't read the books, but when that song started to play I knew something was going to happen. All the time I was repeating "The Starks lost. The Starks lost. Oh my God, the Starks are done."

See the people's reaction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78juOpTM3tE
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Post by: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 05:04:25 PM: Watching those videos made up for the 20% of my waking time today :lol
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Post by: masterthes on June 03, 2013, 05:27:50 PM: Why were people recording this? :lol
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 03, 2013, 06:07:16 PM: Quote from: masterthes on June 03, 2013, 05:27:50 PM
Why were people recording this? :lol

It was probably fans who had already read the books and wanted to film the reactions of their friends that hadn't read the books watch the scene for the first time.
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Post by: Jaq on June 03, 2013, 07:22:26 PM: Quote from: Mister Gold on June 03, 2013, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: masterthes on June 03, 2013, 05:27:50 PM
Why were people recording this? :lol

It was probably fans who had already read the books and wanted to film the reactions of their friends that hadn't read the books watch the scene for the first time.

Most likely. In my circle of friends, most of whom read fantasy novels and inevitably get to these books, we tend to keep track of how far in they are so we can hover, vulture like, over them as they approach the Red Wedding. It applies for the TV show too.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 03, 2013, 11:12:50 PM: Quote from: Mister Gold on June 03, 2013, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: masterthes on June 03, 2013, 05:27:50 PM
Why were people recording this? :lol

It was probably fans who had already read the books and wanted to film the reactions of their friends that hadn't read the books watch the scene for the first time.
Yep! I wanted to do this with my group of friends but we were in a room where the only light was coming from the TV.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 04, 2013, 05:16:32 AM: https://vine.co/v/b3XZMHmxzxh
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Post by: wasteland on June 04, 2013, 05:21:51 AM: Do I need to download the app to watch the video?
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 04, 2013, 06:02:45 AM: It works for me, i don't have it.
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Post by: Podaar on June 04, 2013, 07:01:55 AM: Quote from: emindead on June 03, 2013, 04:36:33 PM
See the people's reaction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78juOpTM3tE

These reactions are great (I especially like the dog trying to figure out why Mom is screaming). I remember when I read about the Red Wedding some years ago I had to take a break from the books for a few weeks so I could regain some objectivity. I'll bet the show producers would love seeing this. I personally thought they had been telegraphing this event but I also suspected I had readers bias. This video confirms that.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 04, 2013, 01:44:00 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 04, 2013, 05:16:32 AM
https://vine.co/v/b3XZMHmxzxh

Haha, this is great.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 04, 2013, 02:10:49 PM: so i watched this week's episode, and ive seen one or two before it in this season, but thats all ive seen. by the end my roommate said this was essentially the worst possible episode i could have seen since i am still planning to start from the beginning at some point :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2013, 02:12:53 PM: Yea you've been spoiled
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2013, 03:19:36 PM: Possible the best reaction video to the Red Wedding yet!

NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Z0Tv40RSs
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 04, 2013, 04:12:36 PM: :rollin
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Post by: TheVoxyn on June 04, 2013, 05:01:08 PM: Tywin for president, I think he is my favourite character.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2013, 06:37:46 PM: So I just read that Michelle Fairley has signed to become a part of the cast of Suits... WTF!!! Lady Stoneheart!!
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Post by: yorost on June 04, 2013, 07:40:25 PM: Quote from: TheVoxyn on June 04, 2013, 05:01:08 PM
Tywin for president, I think he is my favourite character.
:slowclap:
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 04, 2013, 07:55:17 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2013, 03:19:36 PM
Possible the best reaction video to the Red Wedding yet!

NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Z0Tv40RSs

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 04, 2013, 08:56:55 PM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 04, 2013, 07:55:17 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2013, 03:19:36 PM
Possible the best reaction video to the Red Wedding yet!

NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Z0Tv40RSs

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJxj8Vnud5Q

I would argue that this is the best reaction video. For obvious reasons.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 04, 2013, 09:20:19 PM: I've not read the books...but strictly judging from what the show has depicted, is it safe to say there are no 'happy or fairy tale endings' for any character? Seems to me they all continually suffer in one form or another until they're killed by someone.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on June 04, 2013, 09:51:52 PM: I suspect a few characters will have some rather sublime endings at the end of the series. Getting people to suspect disaster allows a massive payoff on 'happy' endings.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 04, 2013, 10:12:45 PM: Quote from: yorost on June 04, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
I suspect a few characters will have some rather sublime endings at the end of the series. Getting people to suspect disaster allows a massive payoff on 'happy' endings.
Yeah no kidding. "You lived= happy ending" I like the real aspect of what it most likely resembled to live in a medieval environment like that. History suggests it was brutal and I enjoy the fact that no character seems immune to unlawful prosecution or dying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2013, 10:58:02 PM: I suspect it will be more bittersweet than anything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on June 04, 2013, 11:02:40 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
I suspect it will be more bittersweet than anything.

Yeah, Martin has said in the past that the series' ending will be bittersweet like the ending of LotR.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 05, 2013, 12:43:06 AM: I sure hope so, no disney endings for me :xbones
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 05, 2013, 01:01:00 AM: It's all a game for power and killing is the only way to make sure you get what you want before anyone else kills you. Nobody is really safe even kings, it's all a game of thrones. :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 05, 2013, 02:47:37 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2013, 03:19:36 PM
Possible the best reaction video to the Red Wedding yet!

NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Z0Tv40RSs

Was I the only who found this video.. kinda disgusting for some reason? And what's wrong with the format?
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Post by: wasteland on June 05, 2013, 02:49:31 AM: I am very much looking forward to Sunday's episode. By the way, I'm curious to see if there will actually be a drop in the viewers numbers after the RW.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 05, 2013, 03:05:19 AM: No way, people are just bluffing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on June 05, 2013, 03:06:51 AM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on June 05, 2013, 03:05:19 AM
No way, people are just bluffing.

Just like those who threw the book in the fireplace and then caused themselves burns of the third degree to retrieve it right away.

And if everything goes as I plan, they will be in for a treat!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 05, 2013, 03:18:52 AM: Really people did that?

do you mean zombie cat?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on June 05, 2013, 03:28:52 AM: Quote from: yorost on June 04, 2013, 07:40:25 PM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on June 04, 2013, 05:01:08 PM
Tywin for president, I think he is my favourite character.
:slowclap:
I'm not even kidding. He does what must be done and doesn't let stuff like honour get in the way. And he is one of the smartest characters, something I appreciate in a universe where people tend to make bad decisions (Starks, I'm looking at you). The only downside is his bitching at Tyrion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on June 05, 2013, 03:35:23 AM: Quote from: TheVoxyn on June 05, 2013, 03:28:52 AM
Quote from: yorost on June 04, 2013, 07:40:25 PM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on June 04, 2013, 05:01:08 PM
Tywin for president, I think he is my favourite character.
:slowclap:
I'm not even kidding. He does what must be done and doesn't let stuff like honour get in the way. And he is one of the smartest characters, something I appreciate in a universe where people tend to make bad decisions (Starks, I'm looking at you). The only downside is his bitching at Tyrion.

All considered, it's a pretty huge downside, and we know that.

Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on June 05, 2013, 03:18:52 AM
Really people did that?

do you mean zombie cat?

'course I do! :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on June 05, 2013, 03:52:16 AM: Quote from: wasteland on June 05, 2013, 03:35:23 AM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on June 05, 2013, 03:28:52 AM
Quote from: yorost on June 04, 2013, 07:40:25 PM
Quote from: TheVoxyn on June 04, 2013, 05:01:08 PM
Tywin for president, I think he is my favourite character.
:slowclap:
I'm not even kidding. He does what must be done and doesn't let stuff like honour get in the way. And he is one of the smartest characters, something I appreciate in a universe where people tend to make bad decisions (Starks, I'm looking at you). The only downside is his bitching at Tyrion.

All considered, it's a pretty huge downside, and we know that.

What happens to Tywin probably made me sadder than Robb dying. Maybe I'm just weird
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Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on June 05, 2013, 03:18:52 AM
Really people did that?

do you mean zombie cat?

'course I do! :tup
I was mad when zombie cat appeared. That kinda took the whole magic thing a step too far for me (as did dondarion).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on June 05, 2013, 05:40:04 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 04, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: yorost on June 04, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
I suspect a few characters will have some rather sublime endings at the end of the series. Getting people to suspect disaster allows a massive payoff on 'happy' endings.
Yeah no kidding. "You lived= happy ending" I like the real aspect of what it most likely resembled to live in a medieval environment like that. History suggests it was brutal and I enjoy the fact that no character seems immune to unlawful prosecution or dying.

Yeah, I've found that interesting too. It's about as realistic a depiction as one might hope for, because it's brutish, nasty, and short, but not everything about it is terrible. Love historiography, especially when it bleeds into our entertainment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on June 05, 2013, 07:28:11 AM: Quote from: Mister Gold on June 04, 2013, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
I suspect it will be more bittersweet than anything.
Yeah, Martin has said in the past that the series' ending will be bittersweet like the ending of LotR.
Lord of the Rings is one, massive, happy orgy at the end. Yeah, there's some sadness, but it's completely buffered by long, fulfilling, prestigious lives for most of the characters. If Song of Ice and Fire is like that, nobody in their right mind will buy it. :lol

edit: Buy as in accept it as a reasonable conclusion to the story, not purchase. It'll sell a shit ton even if he decides mickey mouse gets pooped out of a dragon and builds a castle on the bottom of the sea to rule the entire world.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 05, 2013, 07:41:04 AM: (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/945031_178781045617675_1168384719_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 05, 2013, 09:37:44 AM: :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Jaq on June 05, 2013, 10:04:01 AM: https://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9

:rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 05, 2013, 10:43:10 AM: Quote from: Jaq on June 05, 2013, 10:04:01 AM
https://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9

:rollin

:clap:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on June 05, 2013, 11:25:44 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 05, 2013, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: Jaq on June 05, 2013, 10:04:01 AM
https://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9

:rollin

:clap:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 05, 2013, 11:56:58 AM: Quote from: Mister Gold on June 05, 2013, 11:25:44 AM
Quote from: Podaar on June 05, 2013, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: Jaq on June 05, 2013, 10:04:01 AM
https://www.happyplace.com/24297/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-9

:rollin

:clap:
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Post by: bertoltus on June 05, 2013, 02:12:00 PM: On a different note, does anybody else think that a certain battle will be cut from the series due to the would-be attacking party having been cut down to only two members?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 05, 2013, 02:28:48 PM: Quote from: bertoltus on June 05, 2013, 02:12:00 PM
On a different note, does anybody else think that a certain battle will be cut from the series due to the would-be attacking party having been cut down to only two members?
That's way to vague for me to remember which one you're referring to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on June 05, 2013, 02:44:06 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 05, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: bertoltus on June 05, 2013, 02:12:00 PM
On a different note, does anybody else think that a certain battle will be cut from the series due to the would-be attacking party having been cut down to only two members?
That's way to vague for me to remember which one you're referring to.
Tormund and Ygritte can still pose a deadly threat to the wall if they attack head-on-

Also, the recap :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 05, 2013, 03:01:01 PM: Quote from: wasteland on June 05, 2013, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 05, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: bertoltus on June 05, 2013, 02:12:00 PM
On a different note, does anybody else think that a certain battle will be cut from the series due to the would-be attacking party having been cut down to only two members?
That's way to vague for me to remember which one you're referring to.
Tormund and Ygritte can still pose a deadly threat to the wall if they attack head-on-

Also, the recap :rollin
Aaaaahhh!

I think that'll still happen and just add people, like the Magnar of Thenn who's been announced for season 4.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 06, 2013, 10:50:41 AM: This is really funny! NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCAOD1wcbKA
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on June 06, 2013, 02:09:15 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 06, 2013, 10:50:41 AM
This is really funny! NSFW language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCAOD1wcbKA

:rollin so much randomness
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 06, 2013, 04:39:24 PM: That guy is my new idol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 06, 2013, 05:15:01 PM: The Princess Bride + Red Wedding mashup?? Yes please!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U6AjgR7D3yg
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2013, 04:44:53 AM: :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on June 07, 2013, 05:47:25 AM: :lol I love internet mashups
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 07, 2013, 06:35:31 AM: :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on June 09, 2013, 08:38:51 PM: Well alrighty then.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zook on June 09, 2013, 10:11:19 PM: I don't watch this show, but I watched the Red Wedding scene. Pretty brutal.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on June 10, 2013, 03:56:08 AM: It's even more brutal when you care about those characters! :-\
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2013, 04:35:24 AM: Really hard to top the last episode so the finale felt like a let down, but in reality it kind of ended a lot of the season story arcs and set up for next season by showing the grey joys and pretty much setting the Bolton's up as the bad guys.

I wasn't crazy about the Jon and ygrette scene. I guess they are trying to show more on screen feelings between those two since you mostly get Joins feelings from his POV which doesn't work for TV. And he did get the arrow shots which we all thought would be cut since he didn't get it on the escape. What I don't get though is why she was alone.

maybe this is when Tormund dissapears and there will not be an attack on castle black? That would really suck and I hope ygrette doesn't live
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 10, 2013, 06:18:31 AM: Liked the finale, sad the season's over.

Probably my favorite part of the episode was when Stannis and Meliswhatever is shown the letter from the night's watch. Even the red lady, who has been so hell-bent on the whole 'Stannis must defeat the other kings and become king' thing was all like "yeah, your little war here doesn't mean shit anymore". I like that they recognize the seriousness of the situation with the Walkers. Those types of things are always cool and I can't wait to see how that will develop through the next season/s.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2013, 07:30:01 AM: Can someone remind me of the significance of that coin Arya has, and what she whispered? Isn't connected to that shape shifting fellow?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 10, 2013, 08:21:39 AM: I don't recall how much the TV series showed the significance of the coin but ya, the man who did the revenge killings for her gave it to her and told her if she ever really needed help to give the coin to one of his countrymen and speak the words.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 10, 2013, 09:10:33 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2013, 07:30:01 AM
Can someone remind me of the significance of that coin Arya has, and what she whispered? Isn't connected to that shape shifting fellow?
Jaqen H'ghar gave it to her and told her that if she ever wanted to see him again she should give that coin to any man from Braavos and say "valar morghulis".

That thing she did with the coin is actually taken from ACoK when she was still at Harrenhal, she did that to a Bolton man. It was nice seeing it in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on June 10, 2013, 10:00:09 AM: From over on IGN.

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The other issue here is Martin's books which if a new one isn't done in the next - say - three years the show will have run out of material to adapt. And while it's probably a good bet that Martin will get the next novel, Winds of Winter, out by then, he still has the final book to work on afterward. As a failsafe, Martin did tell Weiss and Benioff his overall plan for the story, but has also expressed that he'd be displeased if the show went on ahead of the books. "I don't think I'd be happy with that," Martin told EW. But for Weiss and Benioff, there are other things to consider.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 10, 2013, 10:01:49 AM: The he needs to get his ass on the writing desk and stop flying to conventions and stuff!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on June 10, 2013, 10:16:26 AM: Pretty much. Sort of sounds like he can't stop them, only beg them not to. I really hope he doesn't end up rushing the last book because of the tv show, though. Maybe it'll just make him sit down and focus as the end gets closer. The same article also got into how they'll mix 4 and 5. Nothing concrete, but the hints went towards the speculation that things could be told very differently than in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 10, 2013, 11:02:20 AM: Can you link the article, please?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on June 10, 2013, 11:17:29 AM: https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/10/game-of-thrones-producers-talk-shows-shaky-future

E3 is apparently putting s strain on their site, though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2013, 11:26:27 AM: Its very likely the show will finish before the books and if Martin has a problem with that then he better do something about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on June 10, 2013, 11:30:41 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 10, 2013, 11:26:27 AM
Its very likely the show will finish before the books and if Martin has a problem with that then he better do something about it.
That was apparent when the tv show first started.. The article finally sheds some light on whether or not the tv show would just end or go ahead of the books and finish on its own. Sounds like they can go ahead and finish if they want, and that they have at least enough information from Martin to do it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2013, 01:30:11 PM: Yea. I would think that maybe next season we will start seeing changes to the TV story that may have an effect on the end story in the books such as emphasis on certain characters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on June 10, 2013, 05:08:19 PM: Well, they could do with Winter the same thing they're doing with Storm and stretch it out to two seasons.

Also, why is it so far each season has ended with Dany?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 10, 2013, 05:15:17 PM: If they start just extending things to let GRRM finish the books they run the course of a) the actors playing the children (Arya, Rickon, Bran, Sansa) growing too old to be believable kids, b) losing actors in renegotiations because they want more money or just wanna try something else, or c) the show becoming stale or wearing out it's welcome and getting canceled.

Also, second season didn't end with Dany. It ended with the three blasts of the horn.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: yorost on June 10, 2013, 05:19:44 PM: They said they don't want to stretch books unless it's warranted. Besides, one or two years won't make up the difference that looks like will be needed. As it is Winds of Winter might be a close call. He had a head start with it when Dance was released and as of last month is still only about 1/4th done with Winds of Winter.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on June 10, 2013, 05:28:37 PM: Yeah, silly me. I momentarily forgot how the last season ended :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2013, 06:41:55 PM: His problem is that AFFC and ADWD have so much filler that will be cut from TV that those two books could potentially be squeezed into one season so they really have only two seasons at most (ADWD stories already started) worth of material before they get into unwritten stuff. I mean they could make anither season but I think they risk losing TV audience.

They could also do more of what we saw this season which are scenes that are either implied or are never shown in the books because they are with characters who don't have POVs. if that's the case, give us more Tywin and Joffrey
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tanatra on June 10, 2013, 07:47:21 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 10, 2013, 06:41:55 PM
His problem is that AFFC and ADWD have so much filler that will be cut from TV that those two books could potentially be squeezed into one season so they really have only two seasons at most (ADWD stories already started) worth of material before they get into unwritten stuff. I mean they could make anither season but I think they risk losing TV audience.

They could also do more of what we saw this season which are scenes that are either implied or are never shown in the books because they are with characters who don't have POVs. if that's the case, give us more Tywin and Joffrey

If they're going to make any significant deviations from the aFFc and aDwD storylines (which the season finale implied with the Ironborn) I would actually be quite interested in seeing what kinds of changes they make. I just hope they have the enthusiasm for doing so, considering that their primary ambition with this show was to make it to the RW.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on June 10, 2013, 08:31:52 PM: I thought next season was supposed to be the second half of Storm?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 11, 2013, 05:43:24 AM: It is, but it seems like they are sprinkling in storylines from the next books as well, but it'll definitely mostly be the second half of SoS.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 12, 2013, 10:21:30 AM: I'ma just leave this here... https://nerdapproved.com/misc-weirdness/hodor-is-a-dj-available-to-hire-for-westeros-wedding-receptions/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on June 12, 2013, 11:30:31 AM: Ugh. Not really sensible to speak of weddings until next year. And probably even farther than that :xbones
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Jaq on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM: https://www.happyplace.com/24434/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-10

I gotta read the rest of these :rollin
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 12, 2013, 02:55:55 PM: That's great :lol if only the last one was true :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 12, 2013, 03:11:30 PM: That had Robb's age from the show right and then they changed it! :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2013, 04:08:30 AM: Really cool rendition of The Rains of Castamere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4dc0OjFAw8)

And here is another (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_247430&feature=iv&src_vid=a4dc0OjFAw8&v=lvMhyO51Jv0), which is the same as the first but with violin added. Not sure which I prefer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 15, 2013, 11:41:59 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2013, 04:08:30 AM
Really cool rendition of The Rains of Castamere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4dc0OjFAw8)

And here is another (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_247430&feature=iv&src_vid=a4dc0OjFAw8&v=lvMhyO51Jv0), which is the same as the first but with violin added. Not sure which I prefer.

Nice pieces of music... but I feel that he (they) completely missed the intended delivery of the song.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 28, 2013, 01:48:45 PM: Prince Oberyn Martell, the Red Viper, has been officially cast! He's being played by Pedro Pascal

(https://puu.sh/3qvIi.jpg)

I've always imagine the Dornish kinda like Latino/Middle-Eastern look, but he needs to get a tan right? Dorne is suppose to be very dessert-y.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2013, 04:49:16 PM: I was expecting someone bigger. I always envisioned Oberyn as some colassal scarey badass dude. I dont recall anything in the literature about him being "big" but for some reason, thats what I envisioned. Its only a head shot, but he doesnt look like a big intimadating dude.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 28, 2013, 05:13:36 PM: Well, I guess I know to avoid this thread between now and next March.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 28, 2013, 09:47:29 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2013, 04:49:16 PM
I was expecting someone bigger. I always envisioned Oberyn as some colassal scarey badass dude. I dont recall anything in the literature about him being "big" but for some reason, thats what I envisioned. Its only a head shot, but he doesnt look like a big intimadating dude.
I never envisioned him as big, maybe because his weapon of choice is a lance too (and poisons, of course), those don't really make me think of a muscular dude. His personality is big though! Humongous!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 29, 2013, 04:02:26 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/Hyosesq.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2013, 05:04:02 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 28, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2013, 04:49:16 PM
I was expecting someone bigger. I always envisioned Oberyn as some colassal scarey badass dude. I dont recall anything in the literature about him being "big" but for some reason, thats what I envisioned. Its only a head shot, but he doesnt look like a big intimadating dude.
I never envisioned him as big, maybe because his weapon of choice is a lance too (and poisons, of course), those don't really make me think of a muscular dude. His personality is big though! Humongous!

Yea, I think that is why I always envisioned him as big

and the fact that he fights the mountain always made me think this guy must be a mountain too even though we know he had his legit reasons for fighting him
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 29, 2013, 05:28:17 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 29, 2013, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 28, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2013, 04:49:16 PM
I was expecting someone bigger. I always envisioned Oberyn as some colassal scarey badass dude. I dont recall anything in the literature about him being "big" but for some reason, thats what I envisioned. Its only a head shot, but he doesnt look like a big intimadating dude.
I never envisioned him as big, maybe because his weapon of choice is a lance too (and poisons, of course), those don't really make me think of a muscular dude. His personality is big though! Humongous!

Yea, I think that is why I always envisioned him as big

and the fact that he fights the mountain always made me think this guy must be a mountain too even though we know he had his legit reasons for fighting him
I always thought that was just a classic strength vs speed matchup. They way it's written makes me think Oberyn was just in and out, taunts, repeat.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2013, 05:42:52 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 29, 2013, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 29, 2013, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 28, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2013, 04:49:16 PM
I was expecting someone bigger. I always envisioned Oberyn as some colassal scarey badass dude. I dont recall anything in the literature about him being "big" but for some reason, thats what I envisioned. Its only a head shot, but he doesnt look like a big intimadating dude.
I never envisioned him as big, maybe because his weapon of choice is a lance too (and poisons, of course), those don't really make me think of a muscular dude. His personality is big though! Humongous!

Yea, I think that is why I always envisioned him as big

and the fact that he fights the mountain always made me think this guy must be a mountain too even though we know he had his legit reasons for fighting him
I always thought that was just a classic strength vs speed matchup. They way it's written makes me think Oberyn was just in and out, taunts, repeat.

Correct, I kind of forgot about that. Not sure why I thought what I thought other than his personality.
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Post by: yorost on July 01, 2013, 09:28:29 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 29, 2013, 04:02:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Hyosesq.jpg)
:slowclap:
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 09, 2013, 08:14:48 PM: So, here's a drawing of the "real" Iron Throne. (i.e. as GRRM imagined it)

(https://puu.sh/3z85E.jpg)

Aegon the Conqueror was the walking definition of subtle!
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Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2013, 02:13:31 AM: Holy shit... How awesome would that have looked on the TV screen?

Answer: Holy shit...
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Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 02:22:01 AM: That's all sorts of amazing. :omg:
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Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2013, 05:04:26 AM: Damn that looks terrifying.
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 06:08:54 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on July 09, 2013, 08:14:48 PM
So, here's a drawing of the "real" Iron Throne. (i.e. as GRRM imagined it)

(https://puu.sh/3z85E.jpg)

Aegon the Conqueror was the walking definition of subtle!

That's simply beautifully terrifying. I love it.
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Post by: soundgarden on July 10, 2013, 08:28:34 AM: Holy hell, that would have been perfect. A throne that looks more like an instrument of torture.
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 10, 2013, 09:25:43 AM: Quote from: soundgarden on July 10, 2013, 08:28:34 AM
Holy hell, that would have been perfect. A throne that looks more like an instrument of torture.

Well, in the books it's not suppose to be a comfortable seat and it's impossible to sit with you back touching it as all blades were sharp because, as Aegon the Conqueror thought, "a king should never sit easy".
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 09:28:16 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on July 10, 2013, 09:25:43 AM
Quote from: soundgarden on July 10, 2013, 08:28:34 AM
Holy hell, that would have been perfect. A throne that looks more like an instrument of torture.

Well, in the books it's not suppose to be a comfortable seat and it's impossible to sit with you back touching it as all blades were sharp because, as Aegon the Conqueror thought, "a king should never sit easy".

See, it's details like this and events like the Red Wedding that make me love this series so much. Very dark and gritty fantasy material. :metal
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Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2013, 09:29:00 AM: I'll never be able too look at the TV-throne the same way again.
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 10, 2013, 09:36:10 AM: Quote from: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on July 10, 2013, 09:25:43 AM
Quote from: soundgarden on July 10, 2013, 08:28:34 AM
Holy hell, that would have been perfect. A throne that looks more like an instrument of torture.

Well, in the books it's not suppose to be a comfortable seat and it's impossible to sit with you back touching it as all blades were sharp because, as Aegon the Conqueror thought, "a king should never sit easy".

See, it's details like this and events like the Red Wedding that make me love this series so much. Very dark and gritty fantasy material. :metal
Yeah! It's said that the Throne actually KILLED one of the Targaryen kings and the Mad King was also called the Scab King because he use to get cut by it almost daily! :lol

Though, seeing the Iron Throne like that completely changes my mental picture of how Jaime killed the Mad King, I never thought the steps were ON the throne itself but like a platform.
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Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 09:40:25 AM: Maegor was killed by the Kingsguard, the throne thing was just a metaphor to convey the fact that his cruelty was so great that symbolically the whole realm turned against him to his demise!
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 10, 2013, 09:44:22 AM: Shhhh don't break its mystique!
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Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 09:48:48 AM: :D

Anyway: reposting for new page's sake!

Quote from: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 06:08:54 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on July 09, 2013, 08:14:48 PM
So, here's a drawing of the "real" Iron Throne. (i.e. as GRRM imagined it)

(https://puu.sh/3z85E.jpg)

Aegon the Conqueror was the walking definition of subtle!

That's simply beautifully terrifying. I love it.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on July 14, 2013, 01:04:51 PM: I only just watched all of season 3, within the last 24 hours. One of my jackass friends spoiled the wedding scene, so that came as no surprise :-[

Overall I really enjoyed this season, probably my favorite so far. And such fantastically developed characters... :heart
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Post by: TioJorge on July 14, 2013, 01:33:23 PM: I spent the past week or so drooling over that picture. It makes me want a graphic-novel of the series. Every detail and storyline presented in its original form; that would be so fucking amazing. Television will always have its own agenda, trying to make its own way (and money) and an 'original adaptation'. Fuck that. I want that god-damning throne. It's the greatest piece of furniture I've ever seen.
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 14, 2013, 01:38:26 PM: Ask and ye shall receive: https://www.dynamite.com/htmlfiles/viewProduct.html?CAT=DF-A_Game_of_Thrones
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 21, 2013, 11:14:17 AM: Goddamn....I already miss GoT! Can't believe I'll have to wait almost a year for the next season.... :'(
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Post by: BlackInk on July 21, 2013, 11:29:54 AM: Will soon watch all three seasons with my dad. Should be both awesome and awkward...
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Post by: BlackInk on August 03, 2013, 09:37:31 AM: Favorite moment of the entire series: The third horn blast...

(https://s22.postimg.org/rnuazb2dt/OH_SHIT.jpg)
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 03, 2013, 10:37:44 AM: If only the show had had enough budget to actually film some of the Battle of the Fist of the First Men! I loved how that ended season 2 but very disappointed they didn't show anything about it on the season 3 premiere.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 03, 2013, 03:14:35 PM: Yeah that's a bit sad. Although I just choose to see it like they want to save seeing the White Walkers in action until they actually like march on the south or something. For real I mean, not just showing up to end the season and then disappear completely for the entire next one.
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 03, 2013, 03:19:27 PM: Well, the White Walkers don't really fight in that battle. The Watch is overrun and almost completely annihilated by wights.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 03, 2013, 05:08:36 PM: Oh, well then I agree with you even more.
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Post by: wasteland on August 03, 2013, 05:18:13 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on August 03, 2013, 05:08:36 PM
Oh, well then I agree with you even more.

The Others are much more of a fleeting presence in the books than they are in the show, for obvious reasons. Up to the present point in the series, the WW had shown up only twice in the corresponding book reality IRRC, in the prologue and in the sequence that granted Sam his nickname ;)
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Post by: BlackInk on August 04, 2013, 03:59:10 AM: I am really excited about seeing them actually attack the people. Because I always get the feeling that the Walkers are what really matters. The red woman whose name I can't spell expressed perfectly what I had been thinking most of the show. "Your war of five kings means nothing". That what's coming from the north is the actual problem for humanity and I find that awesome.
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Post by: wasteland on August 04, 2013, 04:18:14 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on August 04, 2013, 03:59:10 AM
I am really excited about seeing them actually attack the people. Because I always get the feeling that the Walkers are what really matters. The red woman whose name I can't spell expressed perfectly what I had been thinking most of the show. "Your war of five kings means nothing". That what's coming from the north is the actual problem for humanity and I find that awesome.

This is true, but I would suggest a line of thought that could be interesting: why are those creatures (that the book depicts as beautiful and angel-like, despite them being absolutely lethal) invading the south after more than 5000 years? Nothing happens by chance, and for sure nothing happens by chance in GRRM's universe. I dislike the idea of a evil-for-the-sake-of-it creatures that want to destroy humankind almost as much as George does, so I would give a thought to their motives and reasons, and most of all speculate on who they are and what their past might have been.

This reasoning is prompted by a number of very small and subtle hints sowed throughout the books, that the Others may not be the absolute evil we like to believe. In the series those hints are still to show up or have been dramatically downtoned to almost nothing in the past.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 04, 2013, 05:19:19 AM: Interesting. I have never given that anmy serious thought but it has occured to me when watching the show, or at least the season 2 finale. I got the feeling that even though they so far have been portrayed as absolute evil monsters they do have a sense of mercy since the Walkers spared Sam as he was hiding behind the rock. More than that I don't know but it will be very interesting to see.

Quote from: wasteland on August 04, 2013, 04:18:14 AM
(that the book depicts as beautiful and angel-like, despite them being absolutely lethal)

Really? I had no idea. I do think they look awesome in the show though so I can't decide what I would have liked more..
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Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2013, 03:38:21 PM: I always assumed they were marching because Winter Is Coming. With the coldness they can move south. Not a real motive I guess but just figured they were nomads who walked with the weather and in the past they would just be stopped by the wall.
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 04, 2013, 03:43:37 PM: I've always wonder if the coldness brings them or do they bring the coldness...

In the books, Winter has officially come (as the Citadel has sent out their white ravens), but the few times the Others have appeared everything becomes colder around the area.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 04, 2013, 03:58:57 PM: I'd like to think that they bring the cold, it would make them seem more powerful which I like. powah to teh wlakers.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2013, 04:37:30 PM: Well it is known that they do bring some cold as its been noted that it gets colder when they are near buy it would be interesting if it is them who brings winter.
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 04, 2013, 04:49:47 PM: It would explain the weird seasons Westeros goes through. 10 year summers and so on.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on August 04, 2013, 04:51:45 PM: I've always wondered how they count years in westeros, anybody who knows?
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Post by: Sigz on August 04, 2013, 04:59:35 PM: I think it's approximately the same amount of time. It's probably either based on moon phases (and thus months), or lesser variations in climate over the course of the year.

Another thing to note is that there doesn't seem to be any mention of the season changes outside of Westeros, is that correct?
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 04, 2013, 05:30:29 PM: Basically what Ian said. They talk about full moons and fortnights a lot so I guess it's gotta be the same/close to it.

And I think Essos also experiences seasons of varying lengths.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on August 04, 2013, 05:33:49 PM: You gotta wonder though how they came up with the idea of years to begin with. It's one thing to count years, it's another thing to concieve the idea.
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 04, 2013, 05:38:07 PM: Mankind has been around in Westeros for >12,000 years, I'm guessing someone decided to count the days at one point. :lol

Most of the early history of Westeros isn't very clear (lots of myths, legends) since the First Men didn't write things down, they only made runes and in the Old Tongue which is a dead language South of the Wall.
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Post by: RuRoRul on August 04, 2013, 05:57:52 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on August 04, 2013, 05:38:07 PM
Mankind has been around in Westeros for >12,000 years, I'm guessing someone decided to count the days at one point. :lol

Most of the early history of Westeros isn't very clear (lots of myths, legends) since the First Men didn't write things down, they only made runes and in the Old Tongue which is a dead language South of the Wall.
I think what was meant is that we came up with the concept of years because that's how long it takes for the seasons to go through a full cycle, so in a world world where the seasons don't follow that pattern it doesn't make sense that the people would come up with the measurement of a year. I've seen that suggested as evidence that the seasons didn't always change as they do now, and once must have been "normal". That or it'd be too complicated to come up with a different way of measuring people's ages and lengths of time that people would understand.
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 04, 2013, 05:58:55 PM: A year is the time it takes a planet to go around the sun, the season cycle doesn't matter. How they figured out to count a year when they can't use the season as a "hint" would be something interesting to find out, though.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2013, 06:23:18 PM: Im pretty sure the seasons in Westeros have nothing to do with the way our (real) seasons work in terms of astrology.

I kind of just threw out the idea of the walkers bringing winter and maybe that does make sense. The books and show mention that a long summer brings a long winter maybe meaning a long time without walkers brings a long time with them (since I would assume they would grow in numbers over time). Who knows. I think a lot about the seasons in westeros is still to be determined by the books.
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Post by: kári on August 05, 2013, 12:50:40 AM: I thought they only came back because of the long summer. They were buried under many layers of ice and because of the long summer all those layers have gone and they've defrosted.
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Post by: Sigz on August 05, 2013, 04:08:05 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 04, 2013, 06:23:18 PM
Im pretty sure the seasons in Westeros have nothing to do with the way our (real) seasons work in terms of astrology.

They don't, GRRM has said they have a supernatural basis.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2013, 10:36:16 PM: Ran across this:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hulia/31-incredible-game-of-thrones-tattoos-9r70
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Post by: bertoltus on August 08, 2013, 04:16:14 PM: I once came up with an alternative interpretation of the seasons (minor spoilers for the fluff, the plot isn't touched):

It is strongly implied that Valyria was destroyed in a huge volcanic eruption. Looking at the map, we can get a vague grasp of the size of the whole area. But then in DoD it is mentioned that Valyria used to be a peninsula.

We know that volcanic eruptions can cause years with no summer in the real world. Now imagine an event that is able to take down an area the size of the valyrian peninsula. It should certainly have caused a winter that lasted several years.

We don't know how big the whole planet of the aSoIaF-universe is. What if there are places where eruptions the size of the Doom of Valyria happen on a more regular basis? What if all the winters are actually the result of volcanism?
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Post by: TioJorge on August 08, 2013, 06:08:44 PM: :-X
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Post by: Sigz on August 08, 2013, 06:10:36 PM: Quote from: TioJorge on August 08, 2013, 06:08:44 PM
it wouldn't be of a fucking TV show (or book, or any other fleeting entertainment that will be gone in a decades time).

You're going to be gone in decades time as well, so what's the problem?
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Post by: TioJorge on August 08, 2013, 06:21:20 PM: munchmunch
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Post by: Sigz on August 08, 2013, 09:36:55 PM: Oh yeah, basically all of those tattoos were fucking atrocious.
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 08, 2013, 09:50:59 PM: The one with the Hand pin and the lion, stag and wolf was the best one, IMO.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 07, 2013, 05:27:22 PM: My sister gave me the first five books today and I've gotten about 200 pages into A Game of Thrones. So far I am surprised and impressed by how closly the first season of the series has followed the book.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 07, 2013, 06:06:02 PM: I already miss this show! :'(
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 07, 2013, 06:20:39 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on September 07, 2013, 05:27:22 PM
My sister gave me the first five books today and I've gotten about 200 pages into A Game of Thrones. So far I am surprised and impressed by how closly the first season of the series has followed the book.
And that's the only book the show closely follows.
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Post by: GuineaPig on September 08, 2013, 12:25:49 AM: One of the most annoying things about the current state of pop culture is the insistence that all adaptations adhere directly to their source material. I think on the whole Game of Thrones has done a good job of managing the plot, although the thematic stuff I think is lacking.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 08, 2013, 03:17:11 AM: Which is why I won't read past the series. I'll read A Game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings and maybe a few chapters into A Storm of Swords but no I won't finish it until the entire 4th season has aired.

It often seems like the people who have read the books before the movie or series always has some gripes about changes or whatever. I have found that people who read the source material after watching the adaption often apprieciate them both almost equally. I know that the Game of Thrones series is pretty much loved by the readers to, but I won't risk loving future seasons of the show because I know that things are portrayed differently in the books.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 08, 2013, 04:58:21 AM: Quote from: GuineaPig on September 08, 2013, 12:25:49 AM
One of the most annoying things about the current state of pop culture is the insistence that all adaptations adhere directly to their source material. I think on the whole Game of Thrones has done a good job of managing the plot, although the thematic stuff I think is lacking.
I agree completely.
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Post by: GuineaPig on September 08, 2013, 05:52:12 AM: To expand on the thought, I find it especially weird that when it comes to this measuring stick of adaptations, people demand adherence to plot much more than adherence to themes. People will bitch and moan about missing minor character x or plot development y, but I think that the biggest failure of the TV series has been the lack of the revisionist bent that made the novels so fresh and different. Not that that necessarily has to be there (Starship Troopers is a great example of an adaptation that went deliberately opposite its sources themes), but the show in general lacks of thematic cohesiveness scene-to-scene and episode-to-episode.
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Post by: RuRoRul on September 08, 2013, 06:05:39 AM: I first saw the TV show earlier this year, started the books after watching the show and finished the 5th one a little while ago, and I have to say that while there are obviously some advantages for the book (the depth of world and history that the show can't realistically provide), I think the show does many things better, including (and in fact especially) when it makes changes / additions. One of the main things I'm looking forward to is seeing the TV show do the storyline for books 4 and 5 as I expect there will be quite a lot of changes and storylines condensed, and I think the story will be better for it.
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 08, 2013, 08:49:14 AM: To clarify, I didn't mean that as a slight to the show, just stating a fact.
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Post by: GuineaPig on September 08, 2013, 10:40:55 AM: Yeah, I should've specified the rant wasn't targeted at you.

I think season 1 is the best season though, largely because it does feel a lot more cohesive than the other two.
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 10, 2013, 09:23:01 AM: Sigur Ros will record a song for season 4. My money's on "The Dornishman's Wife"
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Post by: soundgarden on September 10, 2013, 09:32:22 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on September 10, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Sigur Ros will record a song for season 4. My money's on "The Dornishman's Wife"

Whoa neat.

Man I can't wait for the Martells and the rest of Dorne! One of my favorite houses.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 26, 2013, 03:42:49 PM: When the books are all out and the final season of the show is airing, I really hope they decide to do something special with the last episode. Like instead of just having a series finale they should make a full length theatrical movie out of it like Firefly did with Serenity, but 20 times more awesome.

Many years down the road I know, but still fun to dream. Anyone else hoping for a theatrical final episode?
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Post by: The King in Crimson on September 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM: Due to the fickle nature of television programming, I'm not thinking that far ahead. :)

Would be a neat idea though.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 30, 2013, 03:22:28 PM: I am verging on obsessed with the White Walkers or the Others. If the turn out to be not as important as I have built them up to be I will be really disappointed.
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 30, 2013, 03:31:22 PM: And you'd have no one to blame for that but yourself! :lol
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Post by: ariich on September 30, 2013, 03:35:05 PM: Quote from: yorost on June 04, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
I suspect a few characters will have some rather sublime endings at the end of the series. Getting people to suspect disaster allows a massive payoff on 'happy' endings.
Maybe... on the other hand, it can backfire, as I've sort of stopped caring about any of the characters now. A lot of them aren't very likeable, and those that are will probably be killed, so I'm now just assuming they're going to die and don't really care.

I know this is an old post I'm responding to, but I just got caught up on the end of season 3. It's an enjoyable show but pretty frustrating at times, and like I said, I've lost interest in most of the (living) characters now.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 30, 2013, 03:38:33 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on September 30, 2013, 03:31:22 PM
And you'd have no one to blame for that but yourself! :lol

Haha yes unfortunately.
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on September 30, 2013, 03:58:39 PM: In the TV show, they leave a lot to be desired about the White Walkers, but I definitely think they're doing that on purpose. Having not read the books, I have started to believe the White Walkers will be a bit more important in the upcoming story then they have been. Their side-story has been essentially filler (for lack of a better word) in between the fighting for the Westeros crown.
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 30, 2013, 04:12:05 PM: In the show, yep, it's been pretty filler but in the books they are this background menace that has kept growing and growing with each book.
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on September 30, 2013, 04:30:44 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on September 30, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
In the show, yep, it's been pretty filler but in the books they are this background menace that has kept growing and growing with each book.
That's a great way to describe how they've shown the White Walkers in the first three seasons. They've revealed/shown more bits and pieces as the episodes are aired.
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 30, 2013, 04:36:49 PM: *disregard*
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Post by: NecessaryPain on September 30, 2013, 07:28:53 PM: The Walkers represent Ice, the Dragons represent Fire. The entire plotline will come down to the war between the two. That's my take on things anyway. I've not started Book 4 yet.

The fight for the Throne is futile in comparison.
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Post by: BlackInk on October 01, 2013, 01:16:11 AM: Quote from: NecessaryPain on September 30, 2013, 07:28:53 PM
The Walkers represent Ice, the Dragons represent Fire. The entire plotline will come down to the war between the two. That's my take on things anyway. I've not started Book 4 yet.

The fight for the Throne is futile in comparison.

This is pretty much exactly what me and my father are thinking as well.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2013, 07:18:19 AM: Yup, gotta think the end game has the dragons burning the walkers.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on October 06, 2013, 10:05:29 AM: I really, really hope it doesn't end up being that straightforward.
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on October 06, 2013, 10:36:31 AM: You would think Martin's writing would introduce several wrinkles to that idea, if that is the plotline towards the end.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 06, 2013, 10:36:36 AM: I doubt it will be. There's probably gonna be a White Walkers/dragons battle at some point, but I seriously doubt that's the end game.
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Post by: BlackInk on October 06, 2013, 02:33:24 PM: I don't think it'll be that straight forward either. I think Bran will be an important player in some way. But it looks like it'll eventually come down to the dragons vs. White Walkers, that's what it seems like it's all building towards. Even the title of the book series suggests it, and that they are obviously opposites of each other.
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Post by: ariich on October 06, 2013, 03:10:41 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on October 06, 2013, 02:33:24 PM
I think Bran will be an important player in some way.
Shhhhhhh! If GRRM sees anyone saying that, he'll kill him off.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 06, 2013, 03:31:39 PM: I'd liked to see how he manages that!
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Post by: BlackInk on October 27, 2013, 09:44:37 AM: I have now read the chapter when Bran and the Reeds pass through the Black Gate than Sam opens. I don't dare to read any further since I don't want anything from the series spoiled.

So far, all three books have been impressive and have pumped me up further for season 4. Can't wait to see it and to finish A Storm of Swords and start with the next book.
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on October 27, 2013, 09:46:17 AM: Is there a debut date for the beginning of season 4?
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Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2013, 10:41:10 AM: I would assume round march.

Winter is coming!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 27, 2013, 01:39:19 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 27, 2013, 10:41:10 AM
I would assume round march.

Winter is coming!
Yea that would be my guess too.
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Post by: BlackInk on November 04, 2013, 09:44:33 AM: There is a surprisingly large amount of fans of the show who doesn't know that the wights and the White Walkers are two different things.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 04, 2013, 10:35:20 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on November 04, 2013, 09:44:33 AM
There is a surprisingly large amount of fans of the show who doesn't know that the wights and the White Walkers are two different things.

I red the books and wasn't sure if there was a difference.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 14, 2013, 10:27:53 PM: My brother sent this to me. Pretty funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ&sns=em
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Post by: BlackInk on December 15, 2013, 04:39:29 AM: Yes that i hilarious, and pretty clever too. Love BLR.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 10, 2014, 11:57:01 AM: So the premier have been announced for april 6th. Can't freakin wait!!
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on January 10, 2014, 12:05:09 PM: :corn :corn :caffeine:
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 10, 2014, 12:12:47 PM: :metal

Time for some more dragon boobies!
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Post by: Zydar on January 10, 2014, 12:15:07 PM: Bring it on!
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Post by: BlackInk on January 10, 2014, 05:05:50 PM: Awesome. Anyone who knows when the new episodes will air on swedish television? (looking mainly at you Zydar)

Also, a trailer is coming this sunday. Here are some teases:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/10/game-of-thrones-vine-previews-from-the-season-4-trailer (https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/10/game-of-thrones-vine-previews-from-the-season-4-trailer)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 10, 2014, 05:07:06 PM: (https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/noteasybeingdrunk_zps2a34f291.jpg)
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 10, 2014, 05:12:05 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 10, 2014, 05:07:06 PM
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/noteasybeingdrunk_zps2a34f291.jpg)

I need a shirt with that on it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 10, 2014, 05:16:43 PM: (https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/imp.jpg)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 10, 2014, 07:32:15 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on January 10, 2014, 05:05:50 PM
Awesome. Anyone who knows when the new episodes will air on swedish television? (looking mainly at you Zydar)
I think you may have to wait a chunk of time before you can watch it on tv. Sometime in autumn maybe but if you can't wait you always have the option watching it through HBO Nordic, I think they air the episodes one week after the US if i'm not mistaken.

https://hbonordic.com/home
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Post by: BlackInk on January 11, 2014, 04:05:14 AM: Thank you. I'll see if I can get that to work out.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 11, 2014, 12:29:33 PM: im pumped :metal
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Post by: Super Dude on January 11, 2014, 08:19:05 PM: Cannot wait for dat purple wedding.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 12, 2014, 12:41:41 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on January 11, 2014, 08:19:05 PM
Cannot wait for dat purple wedding.
I cannot wait for the aftermath of it, seeing one of the Vines they posted yesterday! Tyrion's trial by combat is gonna be insaaaaane!
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Post by: Super Dude on January 12, 2014, 06:55:02 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on January 12, 2014, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on January 11, 2014, 08:19:05 PM
Cannot wait for dat purple wedding.
I cannot wait for the aftermath of it, seeing one of the Vines they posted yesterday! Tyrion's trial by combat is gonna be insaaaaane!

Vine, eh? Could you PM that por favor?
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 12, 2014, 11:01:56 AM: Done, Super Dude.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 12, 2014, 09:31:31 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSg_gJkU7ko

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: senecadawg2 on January 12, 2014, 09:41:46 PM: so excited!!! :caffeine:

Gonna have to do a run through of the first three seasons starting in March.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 12, 2014, 09:52:12 PM: I can't wait for The Red Viper of Dorne!
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Post by: Super Dude on January 12, 2014, 10:09:23 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on January 12, 2014, 09:31:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSg_gJkU7ko

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy fuck. Holy shit. Holy FUCKING shit.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on January 12, 2014, 10:31:31 PM: Nnnnnngh.

That was my reaction. April 6th.... why are you so far away?
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Post by: Bolsters on January 12, 2014, 10:33:28 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on January 12, 2014, 10:09:23 PM
Holy fuck. Holy shit. Holy FUCKING shit.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 13, 2014, 04:04:46 AM: AWESOME!!!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 13, 2014, 04:07:26 AM: :metal
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Post by: masterthes on January 13, 2014, 04:31:35 AM: so good!
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Post by: BlackInk on January 13, 2014, 12:46:46 PM: Trailer looks fantastic.

Speculating here: I'm guessing the opening shot is part of some sort of dream sequence. I can't imagine the dragons growing that much during the course of a single season. But, I have not read that far into the books so of course I could be wrong and Drogon grows like maniac and it will be awesome.
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on January 13, 2014, 05:55:01 PM: So, that trailers looks fucking awesome. Can't wait for the new season.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 13, 2014, 09:49:53 PM: All hail The Red Viper of Dorne!!!
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Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2014, 03:35:24 PM: Trailer has me pretty pumped. I got a new 58 inch tv and surround sound this past fall so I am thinking of rewatching the first two seasons on the big screen and surround sound in time for the third season to come out on blu ray and then watch that in time for the season 4 premiere... just to experience it all again. Im pretty obsessed with the show since I finished all the books.

I am worried that this season may start to introduce things that haven't happened in the books. I don't think anything big will happen in that regards, but I believe Bran's storyline has the potential to reach that point.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 14, 2014, 04:52:30 PM: From what I've read Bran's storyline will jump to ADwD, same with Dany... which has me worried they could start to get ahead of the books! Or maybe this is the final push GRRM needs to focus on just churning out the last 2 books!
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Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2014, 05:01:54 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on January 14, 2014, 04:52:30 PM
From what I've read Bran's storyline will jump to ADwD, same with Dany... which has me worried they could start to get ahead of the books! Or maybe this is the final push GRRM needs to focus on just churning out the last 2 books!

I hope so. Im glad they pushed Danys storyline ahead and I think that was a given from last season, but I was hoping they could finish Storm of Swords this season and maybe get another season of Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons to give GRRM two more years... it just doesn't seem likely at this point.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on January 14, 2014, 10:01:19 PM: It looks like the next season will be a random mishmash of Dany's exploits in aDwD and the latter half of aSoS.

There's one brief shot where it looks as if Jorah might duel the knight from... Mereen was it? There's also the shots of what look like the followers of The Harpy attacking someone. Anyways, however they do it, I doubt that Dany's story will end with the events in the arena.

George still hopefully has some time to finish writing that fucking book. :)
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 14, 2014, 10:30:12 PM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on January 14, 2014, 10:01:19 PM
It looks like the next season will be a random mishmash of Dany's exploits in aDwD and the latter half of aSoS.

There's one brief shot where it looks as if Jorah might duel the knight from... Mereen was it? There's also the shots of what look like the followers of The Harpy attacking someone. Anyways, however they do it, I doubt that Dany's story will end with the events in the arena.

George still hopefully has some time to finish writing that fucking book. :)
Actually if you freeze the trailer at that moment you can see Jorah at Dany's right and Ser Barristan on her left. So I'm guessing that's Daario standing in for Strong Belwas (I miss him) dueling the Hero of Meereen.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on January 14, 2014, 10:36:11 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on January 14, 2014, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on January 14, 2014, 10:01:19 PM
It looks like the next season will be a random mishmash of Dany's exploits in aDwD and the latter half of aSoS.

There's one brief shot where it looks as if Jorah might duel the knight from... Mereen was it? There's also the shots of what look like the followers of The Harpy attacking someone. Anyways, however they do it, I doubt that Dany's story will end with the events in the arena.

George still hopefully has some time to finish writing that fucking book. :)
Actually if you freeze the trailer at that moment you can see Jorah at Dany's right and Ser Barristan on her left. So I'm guessing that's Daario standing in for Strong Belwas (I miss him) dueling the Hero of Meereen.
Orly? I assumed it was Jorah since it looked like he was wearing a very similar-looking tunic. Daario makes a bit more sense though.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 04:58:31 AM: It seems like they could finish the third book this season, then take the next 3 or even 4 seasons doing the combo of 4 & 5. That should give Martin enough time to get off his ass and finish the series, if he would just fucking DO it.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2014, 05:38:58 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 04:58:31 AM
It seems like they could finish the third book this season, then take the next 3 or even 4 seasons doing the combo of 4 & 5. That should give Martin enough time to get off his ass and finish the series, if he would just fucking DO it.

3 or 4 seasons for books 4 And 5? I doubt that. I see 1.5 seasons at most. I think they will fast forward a lot of the storylines to male the show more interesting.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 15, 2014, 05:43:10 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 04:58:31 AM
It seems like they could finish the third book this season, then take the next 3 or even 4 seasons doing the combo of 4 & 5. That should give Martin enough time to get off his ass and finish the series, if he would just fucking DO it.

The last I heard was that in an interview he said he was up to some ridiculous number of pages. He said when it's done it's done. He's not making promises so he won't perjure himself this time.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 05:46:39 AM: That's probably best.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 15, 2014, 05:53:23 AM: I liked the fact that he mentioned Staten Island in one of his interviews once. He lived in Bayonne and wondered what the island across the water was like with all of the lights shining. He likened it to some mystical wonderland. Contrarily, when he finally came to SI he was extremely disappointed. :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 05:57:05 AM: :lol
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Post by: ariich on January 15, 2014, 07:56:55 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 04:58:31 AM
It seems like they could finish the third book this season, then take the next 3 or even 4 seasons doing the combo of 4 & 5. That should give Martin enough time to get off his ass and finish the series, if he would just fucking DO it.
The producers have said that they don't want to do more than 7 seasons, otherwise the show drags on. They'll need to do some catching up in the upcoming season or two in terms of plot, but then they'll have a problem with catching up on the books in terms of time.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 15, 2014, 09:31:15 AM: I just hope they don't make seven seasons, just because they have said that. If it turns out that Martin's books requires more seasons than what they have intended then I really wouldn't want them to cut it short just because.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 02:13:21 PM: There are to be 7 books, 1 of which will have taken 2 seasons to portray. Limiting it to 7 seasons seems impractical.
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Post by: ariich on January 15, 2014, 02:29:51 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 02:13:21 PM
There are to be 7 books, 1 of which will have taken 2 seasons to portray.
As far as I'm aware, season 4 will extend beyond the end of the third book and way into the fourth. But yes, they are definitely behind on that front.

Quote
Limiting it to 7 seasons seems impractical.
Well, that's what they said. They may change their minds I suppose.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 02:39:52 PM: I demand it.
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Post by: ariich on January 15, 2014, 02:57:55 PM: Time to write a strongly-worded letter.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2014, 03:10:45 PM: (https://www.guitarworld.com/files/imagecache/featured-node/John%20Petrucci_1.jpg)
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Post by: The King in Crimson on January 29, 2014, 08:36:58 PM: Where's the maiden fair?
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 30, 2014, 08:11:07 AM: The snow must go!

(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/fuck_winter_1493_zps226e9287.png)
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Post by: cramx3 on February 11, 2014, 07:01:59 PM: https://youtu.be/J5iS3tULXMQ (https://youtu.be/J5iS3tULXMQ)

New 15 minute interviews/trailer for season 4. Looks and sounds like another good season ahead.
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Post by: Prog Snob on February 11, 2014, 07:07:26 PM: I caught that last night on HBO. What did you think of it?
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Post by: yorost on February 11, 2014, 07:34:12 PM: Quote from: ariich on January 15, 2014, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2014, 02:13:21 PM
There are to be 7 books, 1 of which will have taken 2 seasons to portray.
As far as I'm aware, season 4 will extend beyond the end of the third book and way into the fourth. But yes, they are definitely behind on that front.

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Limiting it to 7 seasons seems impractical.
Well, that's what they said. They may change their minds I suppose.
Books 4 and 5 are ripe for being mashed together with parts split to books 3 and/or 6. It's not like their format was some grand plan on Martin's part.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 12, 2014, 08:37:01 AM: The 15 minute preview was epic. Interesting interviews, some cool new footage, and that sweet ass moment near the end. Drogon :heart
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Post by: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 09:28:18 AM: I might do a quick re-read of the third and fourth book just to keep it fresh in my mind.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 12, 2014, 10:06:32 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
quick re-read
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
the third and fourth book
does not compute ???
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Post by: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 10:15:57 AM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on February 12, 2014, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
quick re-read
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
the third and fourth book
does not compute ???

Yeah, I realized afterwards what I said.
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Post by: faizoff on February 13, 2014, 09:39:50 AM: I buckled and ordered the bluray set of seasons 1-3. I am caught up with all seasons and have avoided that preview as I dont like previews at all. I'm an extras junkie so cant wait to consume all the extras on the bluray sets.

I already have the books but havent read them yet. This show is fantastic.

/just some random musings.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2014, 10:00:59 AM: Quote from: faizoff on February 13, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
I buckled and ordered the bluray set of seasons 1-3. I am caught up with all seasons and have avoided that preview as I dont like previews at all. I'm an extras junkie so cant wait to consume all the extras on the bluray sets.

I already have the books but havent read them yet. This show is fantastic.

/just some random musings.

Looks like you got your work cut out for you. I have all books and the first two seasons on Blu ray. I plan on buying season 3 next week.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 14, 2014, 10:32:40 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on February 12, 2014, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
quick re-read
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 12, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
the third and fourth book
does not compute ???

Yeah, I realized afterwards what I said.
I started doing this... I'm about 500 pages into ASoS and not even at it's halfway point! :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 16, 2014, 07:54:43 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ZNaLQD60Y

!!!!!!
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Post by: BlackInk on February 17, 2014, 08:46:44 AM: Yes! That last shot, that's what I want to see more of!
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Post by: Prog Snob on February 17, 2014, 01:07:45 PM: Daenerys :heart

That looks so fucking killer!
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 28, 2014, 02:55:25 PM: We haven't read the books, and just watched season 3 on netflix..... Red Wedding....HOLY FUCK!!!! One of the most powerful television episodes I've ever seen.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 28, 2014, 03:23:17 PM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on February 28, 2014, 02:55:25 PM
We haven't read the books, and just watched season 3 on netflix..... Red Wedding....HOLY FUCK!!!! One of the most powerful television episodes I've ever seen.
Watching it while knowing what would happen was also pretty cool actually, as you could see all the hints towards it and feel the tension rising! Also, I watched it with a friend who had no idea, which was hilarious. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2014, 03:23:41 PM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on February 28, 2014, 02:55:25 PM
We haven't read the books, and just watched season 3 on netflix..... Red Wedding....HOLY FUCK!!!! One of the most powerful television episodes I've ever seen.

:corn
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Post by: Podaar on February 28, 2014, 03:40:45 PM: Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on February 28, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
Watching it while knowing what would happen was also pretty cool actually, as you could see all the hints towards it and feel the tension rising! Also, I watched it with a friend who had no idea, which was hilarious. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78juOpTM3tE
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Post by: Prog Snob on February 28, 2014, 04:46:09 PM: :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 09, 2014, 08:06:32 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIASaUUwklk

New trailer the same day I finished re-reading ASoS.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 10, 2014, 03:15:36 AM: I am so looking forward to this. Although they should stop releasing trailers because I don't want to see more but can't help but watch them. Haha.

Awesome to see the Titans of Braavos... And everything else. Looks like there's to some epic ass fight between Dany and Mereen? Don't answer, just me speculating.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2014, 03:36:39 AM: Another trailer and more excitement. I just watched the episode "the climb" as I've been making my way through the series rewatch. What a great episode that was.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 10, 2014, 06:08:43 AM: "Chaos is a ladder", what a great speech.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 10, 2014, 06:31:38 AM: I haven't watched one single trailer yet and I probaly won't either. I like my nuggetz to be served fresh. :P
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2014, 09:42:31 AM: Picked up the Season 3 Blu-Ray, will watch between now and the premiere to have everything fresh on my mind.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2014, 05:51:48 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
Picked up the Season 3 Blu-Ray, will watch between now and the premiere to have everything fresh on my mind.

I'm almost done re-reading book 3.
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 11, 2014, 09:10:07 AM: I am only reading the books, just finished book 5, and have not watched any of the show. But damn these trailers even get me pumped.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 11, 2014, 10:03:48 AM: Quote from: Cool Chris on March 11, 2014, 09:10:07 AM
I am only reading the books, just finished book 5, and have not watched any of the show. But damn these trailers even get me pumped.

Do you just want to finish the books first or do you never intend to watch the show at all?
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 11, 2014, 10:12:50 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on March 11, 2014, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: Cool Chris on March 11, 2014, 09:10:07 AM
I am only reading the books, just finished book 5, and have not watched any of the show. But damn these trailers even get me pumped.

Do you just want to finish the books first or do you never intend to watch the show at all?

Don't have HBO or money to buy the Blu Rays.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 11, 2014, 11:49:51 AM: Quote from: Cool Chris on March 11, 2014, 10:12:50 AM
Don't have HBO or money to buy the Blu Rays.

Dude.....you have to get with the program and use other people's passwords.....I'm fully covered on HBO and Netflix thanks to my brother and my sister in laws boyfriend. :biggrin:

Is that cheating?
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 11, 2014, 12:02:14 PM: Yes I am aware of this process :) I should have also said I wish to not color my mental images of the books by watching the show. I know what all the main characters look like, but otherwise wish to keep all the imagery in my head.
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Post by: alirocker08 on March 11, 2014, 03:16:03 PM: I'm going to be watching the next series with two of my friends who haven't read the books, this is going to be great!
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Post by: Podaar on March 11, 2014, 03:24:07 PM: Quote from: Cool Chris on March 11, 2014, 12:02:14 PM
Yes I am aware of this process :) I should have also said I wish to not color my mental images of the books by watching the show. I know what all the main characters look like, but otherwise wish to keep all the imagery in my head.

For what it's worth, and no I don't expect you to be like me, but I felt my second read through was greatly enhanced after watching the series. Especially the Red Wedding!
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2014, 05:47:35 PM: The only bad thing about having watch the first season first and then read the books was that the looks of the TV characters instantly came to my mind when I read their names... and they're described so, so differently in the books.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2014, 11:52:51 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 11, 2014, 05:47:35 PM
The only bad thing about having watch the first season first and then read the books was that the looks of the TV characters instantly came to my mind when I read their names... and they're described so, so differently in the books.

I had this problem, no matter how the book described the characters, I always pictured the actors. I don't think all were so different though although that could just be my mind playing tricks.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 12, 2014, 08:36:37 AM: Well, yes, not all, but they have differences. Having hair when their bald, different facial hair, almost no one has the eye color or hair style they described them with in the books. It's little things, but I also wonder why couldn't they do that in the series?

Joffrey having long curly hair, would that have been so hard? (for example)
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Post by: Podaar on March 12, 2014, 08:43:24 AM: I see what y'all are saying...up to a point. I think the casting is near perfect as far as the performances matching the characters in the books but appearance wise there are some poor choices. Peter Dinklage is perfect for the character Tyrian but just looks all wrong. Too handsome.

Other characters I think they got wrong by appearance only: Catelyn, John Snow, Tywin Lannister, Rob Stark, and Joffrey. I know there are others but I can't think of them right now.

A couple that I think are perfect are: Harry Lloyd as Viserys Targaryen and Rory McCann as Sandor Clegane.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 12, 2014, 08:57:40 AM: Now that you mentioned Sandor, he has the right side of the face burned in the series, while the left side is the one burned in the books. I've never understood why that happened.
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Post by: Podaar on March 12, 2014, 09:06:57 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 12, 2014, 08:57:40 AM
Now that you mentioned Sandor, he has the right side of the face burned in the series, while the left side is the one burned in the books. I've never understood why that happened.

:lol I never noticed that!
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Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2014, 09:26:27 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 12, 2014, 08:57:40 AM
Now that you mentioned Sandor, he has the right side of the face burned in the series, while the left side is the one burned in the books. I've never understood why that happened.

Attention to detail!
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Post by: faizoff on March 12, 2014, 01:26:53 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
Picked up the Season 3 Blu-Ray, will watch between now and the premiere to have everything fresh on my mind.

I just finished watching all episodes with the commentaries and watched the Rains of Castamere in the maximum mode-ish. The extra stuff is pretty fun stuff. Going to watch ep 09 again with commentaries from Robb and Catalyn stark. Should be a fun listen.

The picture and audio quality is quite fantastic on the box set.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 12, 2014, 01:49:53 PM: I'm loving it so far!
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Post by: Aefenwelg on March 12, 2014, 04:31:05 PM: Concerning getting characters wrong:

Everybody mentioned so far, I don't really have a problem with. Could Tyrion's scar be more grotesque? Sure. But it's not a deal breaker.

However there is one character I have a real problem with: Stannis.
This guy is supposed to be large in personality and stature. The show version of him is kind of a weenie.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2014, 04:33:52 PM: Quote from: Aefenwelg on March 12, 2014, 04:31:05 PM
Concerning getting characters wrong:

Everybody mentioned so far, I don't really have a problem with. Could Tyrion's scar be more grotesque? Sure. But it's not a deal breaker.

However there is one character I have a real problem with: Stannis.
This guy is supposed to be large in personality and stature. The show version of him is kind of a weenie.

Agreed. For him though it's more personality and how he is portrayed that's different. Most book readers would probably say his character is the most different.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 12, 2014, 06:47:19 PM: I would add Edmure to that. He's pretty much a dolt in the show, while in the book he isn't incompetent, just over-eager.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2014, 07:57:02 PM: True but Edmure has had such a small part so far that I wouldn't lump him with Stannis.
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Post by: faizoff on March 12, 2014, 11:46:19 PM: OMG the commentary with Robb stark and Catalyn Stark with the director is so worth it for their own reaction to the end while watching the episode. It was the first time that Catalyn watched the episode and they mention the youtube videos with the reaction. Man that was freakin intense.
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Post by: Evermind on March 15, 2014, 01:28:34 AM: Quote
Concerning getting characters wrong:

(https://i.imgur.com/iHVTkJI.jpg)
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on March 15, 2014, 02:51:48 AM: Sounds like they should have hired Mike Portnoy! :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 15, 2014, 05:00:40 AM: lol
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Post by: BlackInk on March 15, 2014, 08:34:53 AM: I'm fine with him as Daario, what bothers me is that he's played by a different guy now in season 4. Actor changes are really annoying.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 15, 2014, 10:20:06 AM: Yea it really sucks that they changed him. Some of the minor character changes weren't as big of a deal to me but for Dario its going to really bother me. I know the Mountain was recast for this season but since we haven't seen him since season 1 and he had a small part and was wearing lots of armor, it may not be a big deal.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 15, 2014, 01:38:25 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 15, 2014, 10:20:06 AM
Yea it really sucks that they changed him. Some of the minor character changes weren't as big of a deal to me but for Dario its going to really bother me. I know the Mountain was recast for this season but since we haven't seen him since season 1 and he had a small part and was wearing lots of armor, it may not be a big deal.
He appeared in the second season for a few episodes in Harrenhal. Played by a different actor than the first, which is a different actor from this one. :lol
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Post by: BlackInk on March 15, 2014, 01:46:37 PM: And right there we have the result of the problem of actor changes :lol
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on March 15, 2014, 01:47:39 PM: Maybe he's like Doctor Who!
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Post by: Evermind on March 15, 2014, 02:34:58 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 15, 2014, 10:20:06 AM
Yea it really sucks that they changed him. Some of the minor character changes weren't as big of a deal to me but for Dario its going to really bother me. I know the Mountain was recast for this season but since we haven't seen him since season 1 and he had a small part and was wearing lots of armor, it may not be a big deal.

I really don't like they're recasting Tommen. Because they're using the actor who already played Martin Lannister from this show.

I was fine with Daario too, btw, just found it funny. :biggrin:
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Post by: cramx3 on March 15, 2014, 02:39:30 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 15, 2014, 01:38:25 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 15, 2014, 10:20:06 AM
Yea it really sucks that they changed him. Some of the minor character changes weren't as big of a deal to me but for Dario its going to really bother me. I know the Mountain was recast for this season but since we haven't seen him since season 1 and he had a small part and was wearing lots of armor, it may not be a big deal.
He appeared in the second season for a few episodes in Harrenhal. Played by a different actor than the first, which is a different actor from this one. :lol

You are right, forgot about that and I just recently rewatched season 2 :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 27, 2014, 01:08:13 PM: So I love Game of Thrones! Very few shows have made me feel so immersed into a fiction world like GoT does. It's like every episodes just gets better and better to the point you almost wonder how the hell do they do it. Haven't read the books but i'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons the show is so well written.
In a week the 4th season begins and I can't believe 1 year has passed since the last season. Oh man I cannot wait!!
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Post by: Evermind on March 27, 2014, 01:16:31 PM: I'm not sure if this is about the books as well, but the new Arya chapter from TWOW George released yesterday is freaking awesome.

If this thread is only about the show, well, I can't wait for the fourth season!
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Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2014, 01:45:28 PM: I've avoided the TWoW chapters that are out there but good to know that Aryas is good.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 27, 2014, 02:56:14 PM: Quote from: Evermind on March 27, 2014, 01:16:31 PM
I'm not sure if this is about the books as well, but the new Arya chapter from TWOW George released yesterday is freaking awesome.

If this thread is only about the show, well, I can't wait for the fourth season!
This thread is only about the show. But Martin should hurry up and release ALL of the chapters. NOW.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on March 27, 2014, 09:06:11 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 27, 2014, 01:45:28 PM
I've avoided the TWoW chapters that are out there but good to know that Aryas is good.
This.

I avoided the DwD prerelease chapters and I intend to do so with TWoW as well. When it comes out then I'll read it all. :)
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Post by: orcus116 on March 29, 2014, 05:12:13 PM: Powered through this show over this last week. Can't wait for next week.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 30, 2014, 12:58:10 AM: Yeaaahh, if you guys could avoid mentioning which charachters have chapters and therefore are still alive by the time of TWoW, that would be great.
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Post by: Evermind on March 30, 2014, 01:46:23 AM: Sorry about that, I've put it in small letters now.
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Post by: Tick on March 31, 2014, 01:07:27 PM: I had never watched this show until 3 weeks ago. Since then, after watching the first episode and loving it, I watched all 3 seasons in 3 weeks! and if that isn't enough, I watched season 1 and 2 again with my wife as I talked her into getting involved saying she must watch this show! She is now caught up as well! I love this show!
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Post by: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 01:11:15 PM: Lucky you, I'd gladly rewatch to get my fiancé interested but she refuses and for know reason. I think it's because of all the nudity though.
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Post by: Tick on March 31, 2014, 01:23:02 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Lucky you, I'd gladly rewatch to get my fiancé interested but she refuses and for know reason. I think it's because of all the nudity though.
The nudity is definitely abundant but it isn't gratuitous. It works with the context of the show. At least that's how I feel.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on March 31, 2014, 01:52:12 PM: Quote from: Tick on March 31, 2014, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Lucky you, I'd gladly rewatch to get my fiancé interested but she refuses and for know reason. I think it's because of all the nudity though.
The nudity is definitely abundant but it isn't gratuitous. It works with the context of the show. At least that's how I feel.

A lot of it is definitely gratuitous. Pretty much all of the prostitute sexposition scenes, for example.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 02:33:54 PM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on March 31, 2014, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: Tick on March 31, 2014, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Lucky you, I'd gladly rewatch to get my fiancé interested but she refuses and for know reason. I think it's because of all the nudity though.
The nudity is definitely abundant but it isn't gratuitous. It works with the context of the show. At least that's how I feel.

A lot of it is definitely gratuitous. Pretty much all of the prostitute sexposition scenes, for example.

Im not complaining from my view, but I see a lot of it as gratuitous specifically the above. The show created a character that isnt in the books who was mostly naked (Ros).
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Post by: Tick on March 31, 2014, 02:52:08 PM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on March 31, 2014, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: Tick on March 31, 2014, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Lucky you, I'd gladly rewatch to get my fiancé interested but she refuses and for know reason. I think it's because of all the nudity though.
The nudity is definitely abundant but it isn't gratuitous. It works with the context of the show. At least that's how I feel.

A lot of it is definitely gratuitous. Pretty much all of the prostitute sexposition scenes, for example.
I don’t know. I see it as an accurate portrayal of what it was probably like. Is it necessary? Probably not, but I take it in the context of the show. It’s not like it comes across as porn. At least not for me, but definitely some may see it otherwise and I would not blame them.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 31, 2014, 02:56:41 PM: I have no problem with the nudity. It isn't what I would call gratuitous.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 02:58:58 PM: Quote from: Tick on March 31, 2014, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on March 31, 2014, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: Tick on March 31, 2014, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 01:11:15 PM
Lucky you, I'd gladly rewatch to get my fiancé interested but she refuses and for know reason. I think it's because of all the nudity though.
The nudity is definitely abundant but it isn't gratuitous. It works with the context of the show. At least that's how I feel.

A lot of it is definitely gratuitous. Pretty much all of the prostitute sexposition scenes, for example.
I don’t know. I see it as an accurate portrayal of what it was probably like. Is it necessary? Probably not, but I take it in the context of the show. It’s not like it comes across as porn. At least not for me, but definitely some may see it otherwise and I would not blame them.

Definitely dont see it as porn and you are probably right about accurate portrayal, but I dont know if all of it is necessary. The point I was making originally is that I believe it makes my fiance uncomfortable be cause there is a good amount of it and its more than boobs/ass. She'll never admit it to me, but I know her well enough to get the feeling that is the reason why she wont watch.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 31, 2014, 03:00:58 PM: After watching Rome I really don't think Game of Throne's nudity is much to get worked up about.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 31, 2014, 03:17:23 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on March 31, 2014, 03:00:58 PM
After watching Spartacus I really don't think Game of Throne's nudity is much to get worked up about.

FIFY

And im not arguing from my perspective, because I dont care. Nudity doesnt make or break a show for me.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 31, 2014, 05:58:56 PM: Spartacus' nudity was really distracting. They tried to make it mean something the majority of the time but man I could've done with a looot less.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2014, 07:50:50 AM: I thought it was fine at first because they tried to portray it as this was what Ancient Rome was like but in the last two seasons it became more of softcore porn.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 02, 2014, 02:41:15 AM: Game of Thrones intro re-imagined for Skyrim:

https://vimeo.com/90589442

That's some excellent work!
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Post by: snapple on April 06, 2014, 05:31:25 AM: TOOOOOOOOOOOOONIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 06, 2014, 05:38:14 AM: ^^(https://www.heroscapers.com/community/images/smilies/excited.gif)

and also

(https://i.imgur.com/RySmh.gif)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 06, 2014, 06:20:31 AM: Can not wait.
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Post by: Evermind on April 06, 2014, 06:26:45 AM: I can't wait too, rewatching S3 at the moment.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 06, 2014, 07:02:33 AM: Finished season 3 a few days ago. Can't see the season 4 opener until tomorrow afternoon so I have 24 painful hours in front of me.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2014, 08:08:56 AM: It's been on all week on hbo and I keep watching. I'll watch the season 3 finale today on blu ray on the big screen before the new episode airs.
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Post by: masterthes on April 06, 2014, 10:58:04 AM: Winter is coming bitches!!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 06, 2014, 01:20:48 PM: (https://hd.se/noje/nojesbloggen/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Game_of_Thrones_BreakTheGlass.jpg)
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Post by: Super Dude on April 06, 2014, 08:18:09 PM: Guys, that tavern scene.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 06, 2014, 08:32:33 PM: I knew it was coming and it was still great.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 06, 2014, 09:17:46 PM: This, I would say, was one of the rare instances in which I was glad to be a non-reader. But next week should be even better.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 06, 2014, 09:29:02 PM: Holy shit
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Post by: Scrub206 on April 06, 2014, 09:57:14 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 06, 2014, 08:18:09 PM
Guys, that tavern scene.
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Post by: Accelerando on April 06, 2014, 11:45:22 PM: So good! Next week can't come soon enough
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Post by: soundgarden on April 07, 2014, 07:58:53 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 06, 2014, 08:18:09 PM
Guys, that tavern scene.

As you can probably tell by now, Arya is becoming more and more of a killer. Its her theme in the books which was a bit suppressed in the last season. I am glad the screenwriters are not shying away from that.

Good episode; love the actors they chose for the Dornish folk. Oberyn has already jumped to the top of the awesome list.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 07, 2014, 09:27:53 AM: No doubt, Oberyn is badass.

And the Hound was 110% badass in that scene last night, including one of the most gruesome kills I've ever seen.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 07, 2014, 09:44:34 AM: He should open a chicken joint.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 09:53:07 AM: The tavern scene was great. I liked how the previously on bit showed A LOT of stuff from season 1. For all the non book readers, kind of shows how everything that happens has a meaning or will mean something in the future.

As for the episode overall, I enjoyed it, but it felt a lot like the S3 opener. Lots of small bits with all the characters to show where they are at and starting to set up the new storylines, but nothing major happening and not a whole lot of an episode story arc. Can't wait for next week though.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 07, 2014, 10:07:10 AM: Just finished the episode, and what stands out the most is that Arya is awesome. It a quieter episode than I expected. I thought they'd begin the season with more of a bang. But that doesn't mean that it wasn't really good, since Game of Thrones makes "quiet" episodes better than pretty much any other show out there.

EDIT: That noise in the soundtrack that comes in right as Arya shoves that sword in that dudes stomach is really haunting. Perfect way to emphasize what is happening to Arya.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 10:34:01 AM: Yup, when you think about what Arya's been through and seen it makes a lot of sense. Saw her father beheaded, saw her brothers body with the dierwolves head on it. Been put in the position where she had to kill before. Now its becoming nature for her.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 07, 2014, 12:00:54 PM: Awesome episode, I've missed this show.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 07, 2014, 01:47:06 PM: Also, didn't realize at first that the title "two swords" didn't necessarily refer to the two swords made in the beginning, but rather the loss of "Ice" and Arya reclaiming "Needle". I first thought it was an oddly vague thing to name an episode for, but after realizing that it makes for a perfect episode name.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 02:03:34 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 07, 2014, 01:47:06 PM
Also, didn't realize at first that the title "two swords" didn't necessarily refer to the two swords made in the beginning, but rather the loss of "Ice" and Arya reclaiming "Needle". I first thought it was an oddly vague thing to name an episode for, but after realizing that it makes for a perfect episode name.

Good catch!
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 07, 2014, 02:41:36 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 09:53:07 AM

As for the episode overall, I enjoyed it, but it felt a lot like the S3 opener. Lots of small bits with all the characters to show where they are at and starting to set up the new storylines, but nothing major happening and not a whole lot of an episode story arc. Can't wait for next week though.
I liken GoT's season premieres to the first day of school after summer break. See all your friends, catch up on what they're up to and hide all the pain and suffering the next 9 weeks will bring!!!!!

As for the episode I really liked it. Jaime was awesome and The Hound was incredibly funny, only Dany got the weak parts of the episode but that's OK.

Where's my Sandor's Fried Chicken picture internet?!?!
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Post by: abydos on April 07, 2014, 03:54:14 PM: Arya and the Hound are the best, new WWF tag-team champions.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 07, 2014, 04:27:35 PM: Also, did someone else gave a fangirl squeal when they name checked Ser Duncan the Tall and Arthur Dayne or was it just me??
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Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 04:50:34 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 07, 2014, 04:27:35 PM
Also, did someone else gave a fangirl squeal when they name checked Ser Duncan the Tall and Arthur Dayne or was it just me??

No squeal for me, but I was happy they showed the book. For some reason I was thinking about that recently.

Quote from: Dimitrius on April 07, 2014, 02:41:36 PM
I liken GoT's season premieres to the first day of school after summer break. See all your friends, catch up on what they're up to and hide all the pain and suffering the next 9 weeks will bring!!!!!

I like that analogy.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 07, 2014, 05:17:19 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 07, 2014, 09:27:53 AM
No doubt, Oberyn is badass.

And the Hound was 110% badass in that scene last night, including one of the most gruesome kills I've ever seen.

Yeah that one where he kept slamming the guy's head down on the knife made me cringe.
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Post by: soundgarden on April 07, 2014, 05:33:53 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 07, 2014, 04:27:35 PM
Also, did someone else gave a fangirl squeal when they name checked Ser Duncan the Tall and Arthur Dayne or was it just me??

I did :coolio :loser:
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Post by: FracturedMirror on April 07, 2014, 07:47:42 PM: (https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10245382_694366913959560_4577091822838550598_n.jpg)

I thought this was a great episode overall. Tavern scene was great; I hope Sandor gets a lot of airtime this season. Even though they aren't "main characters", the Clegane brothers are two of my favorite characters in the series. Yoren was another of my faves.

I am really looking forward to the arrival of a certain character with the initials L.S. sometime this season. Anyone who has read the books knows who I mean.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 09:49:32 PM: Quote from: FracturedMirror on April 07, 2014, 07:47:42 PM
I am really looking forward to the arrival of a certain character with the initials L.S. sometime this season. Anyone who has read the books knows who I mean.

I am honestly not sure if we will see that this season. I could totally see this character as an end to the season though
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 08, 2014, 12:39:15 AM: So good to have the show back! Great first episode.
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Post by: masterthes on April 08, 2014, 08:31:04 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 09:49:32 PM
Quote from: FracturedMirror on April 07, 2014, 07:47:42 PM
I am really looking forward to the arrival of a certain character with the initials L.S. sometime this season. Anyone who has read the books knows who I mean.

I am honestly not sure if we will see that this season. I could totally see this character as an end to the season though
Probably next season, or somebody else is playing her, because I see nothing on Michelle's IMDB page
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Post by: Podaar on April 08, 2014, 08:52:55 AM: Quote from: FracturedMirror on April 07, 2014, 07:47:42 PM
I am really looking forward to the arrival of a certain character with the initials L.S. sometime this season. Anyone who has read the books knows who I mean.

Nah, Lyanna Stark won't be putting in an appearance in the TV series! ;)
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Post by: Evermind on April 08, 2014, 08:54:55 AM: I think the season will end on LS, would be an awesome cliffhanger. I'm sure she won't be cut, otherwise there would be no point introducing Beric and all the resurrection stuff ib the first place. As for no information on Michelle's page, I think they can be quiet about it on purpose, to make it a surprise with even more impact.

This episode was the best premiere this show had, I think, maybe on par with S3. The only scene I hated was Tyrion+Shae, I just can't stand Shae at all. Some scenes fell a bit flat for me, like Brienne's interaction with Margaery and Tyrion with Bronn meeting Dornishmen without Oberyn on foot on some road, but otherwise it was very good. I was sceptical on Oberyn cast, but now I'm completely sold. The Jon Snow trial was one of the best actions Kit put out on the show, also loved Aemon lines.

A lot of hilarious things too. I chuckled when Jaime waved at Qyburn with his fake hand, was smiling at Hound at chickens and lost it when they showed the statue of Joffrey first, only to cut it to Jack Glesson standing in almost the same. Jack's action is gold again, we mean to hate his character but I can't stop cheering every time he's on screen. Like Viserys in S1, pity he died too quickly. :P
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Post by: BlackInk on April 08, 2014, 10:42:14 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 08, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Jack's action is gold again, we mean to hate his character but I can't stop cheering every time he's on screen.

This. I love Joffrey.
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Post by: snapple on April 08, 2014, 11:55:59 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/ers1zdD.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2014, 12:08:12 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 08, 2014, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Evermind on April 08, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Jack's action is gold again, we mean to hate his character but I can't stop cheering every time he's on screen.

This. I love Joffrey.

Totally, he is one of the best characters on the show. He does such a great job making you hate him that you actually like him because of it!

Quote from: masterthes on April 08, 2014, 08:31:04 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 07, 2014, 09:49:32 PM
Quote from: FracturedMirror on April 07, 2014, 07:47:42 PM
I am really looking forward to the arrival of a certain character with the initials L.S. sometime this season. Anyone who has read the books knows who I mean.

I am honestly not sure if we will see that this season. I could totally see this character as an end to the season though
Probably next season, or somebody else is playing her, because I see nothing on Michelle's IMDB page

Would you see that IMDB? For the non readers, that would be a big surprise and putting that info out there could ruin it for a lot of people
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 08, 2014, 01:10:32 PM: Quote from: snapple on April 08, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ers1zdD.jpg)
:rollin
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Post by: masterthes on April 08, 2014, 02:30:51 PM: Renewed for 2 more seasons! :metal
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Post by: FracturedMirror on April 08, 2014, 03:21:57 PM: (https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/p403x403/1779737_499772513467714_2022062224609018288_n.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2014, 04:52:45 PM: Quote from: masterthes on April 08, 2014, 02:30:51 PM
Renewed for 2 more seasons! :metal

Nice. They did have the highest ratings for the show and tops since the Sopranos season finale for HBO. Pretty impressive when season 4 is getting your highest ratings. The shows a super hit and the creators wanted to do 7 seasons so that seems likely now.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 08, 2014, 07:31:32 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 08, 2014, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Evermind on April 08, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Jack's action is gold again, we mean to hate his character but I can't stop cheering every time he's on screen.

This. I love Joffrey.

He should stop having the most punchable face in the universe then.

Quote from: cramx3 on April 08, 2014, 04:52:45 PM
Quote from: masterthes on April 08, 2014, 02:30:51 PM
Renewed for 2 more seasons! :metal

Nice. They did have the highest ratings for the show and tops since the Sopranos season finale for HBO. Pretty impressive when season 4 is getting your highest ratings. The shows a super hit and the creators wanted to do 7 seasons so that seems likely now.

They'll either have to stretch it out or make Martin submit to his future plans.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 08, 2014, 08:00:11 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on April 08, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 08, 2014, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Evermind on April 08, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Jack's action is gold again, we mean to hate his character but I can't stop cheering every time he's on screen.

This. I love Joffrey.

He should stop having the most punchable face in the universe then.
Nah.

That's Pete Campbell from Mad Men. Joffrey can take the number two slot. :)
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Post by: Super Dude on April 09, 2014, 06:48:23 AM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on April 08, 2014, 08:00:11 PM
Quote from: orcus116 on April 08, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 08, 2014, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Evermind on April 08, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Jack's action is gold again, we mean to hate his character but I can't stop cheering every time he's on screen.

This. I love Joffrey.

He should stop having the most punchable face in the universe then.
Nah.

That's Pete Campbell from Mad Men. Joffrey can take the number two slot. :)

I think you have that backwards. Pete may be a buttmunch, but at least he hasn't sadistically murdered anyone or forced someone else to murder someone.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 09, 2014, 07:09:50 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on April 08, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 08, 2014, 04:52:45 PM
Nice. They did have the highest ratings for the show and tops since the Sopranos season finale for HBO. Pretty impressive when season 4 is getting your highest ratings. The shows a super hit and the creators wanted to do 7 seasons so that seems likely now.

They'll either have to stretch it out or make Martin submit to his future plans.

The creators will want to do 7 seasons and end the story, with or without Martin. Martin already told them the basic outline of whats to happen minus the details. However, with the WoW chapters that are out already and something that happened in the first episode of this season, it seems like they have been communicating a lot about whats to happen. Just my opinion though.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 09, 2014, 07:31:43 AM: How many books deep are we in the show? I can't imagine we can get through what's left in the books in just this season plus three more unless they really start accelerating things.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 09, 2014, 07:50:45 AM: Technically this season is the second half of the third book but they also are using storylines from the 5th book, but for those who haven't read, books 4 and 5 run parallel in time and are much slower paced so a lot of people think the show will be able to do both books in one season especially since this season will already go far into some of book 5s story's.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 09, 2014, 09:29:46 AM: I haven't red them, so I don't know, but considering how long they are, I always thought that what remained of book 4 and 5 after this season would take two seasons. And hearing Martin talk about how long the two last books will be I imaged them taking up maybe three seasons combined.

Of course, that would make 9 seasons, which is definetely more than Benioff and Weiss has said they hope to do...
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Post by: Evermind on April 09, 2014, 10:40:46 AM: I'm sure they will take a chunk of 4th and 5th books this season, and I think they've got to finish both of these books in season 5, maybe including something from the 6th book as well. As it happens, both 4th and 5th books are mainly world-building with not so many "oh-my-god" scale events. They are building up to at least two major events, yet due to the length and editing choices both events were left out of the fifth book, and I'm sure this won't work on the show.

GRRM himself said A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons should take two or even three seasons, but I honestly think this is unrealistic as hell. Only a couple of faithful watchers will keep up with this show if this would be the case, so they obviously have to shorten all the stuff, especially as they currently have seven seasons plan.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 09, 2014, 11:00:23 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 09, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
I'm sure they will take a chunk of 4th and 5th books this season, and I think they've got to finish both of these books in season 5, maybe including something from the 6th book as well. As it happens, both 4th and 5th books are mainly world-building with not so many "oh-my-god" scale events. They are building up to at least two major events, yet due to the length and editing choices both events were left out of the fifth book, and I'm sure this won't work on the show.

GRRM himself said A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons should take two or even three seasons, but I honestly think this is unrealistic as hell. Only a couple of faithful watchers will keep up with this show if this would be the case, so they obviously have to shorten all the stuff, especially as they currently have seven seasons plan.

Totally agree. Also, if the creators want to do 7 seasons and they have already surpassed the books, theres no reason to think they could end the show a different and shorter way than the books end. No one knows what will happen, but Im really hoping for WoW to be out before next season because I am pretty sure there will be storylines for next season that are passed the books.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 09, 2014, 05:15:40 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 09, 2014, 06:48:23 AM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on April 08, 2014, 08:00:11 PM
Quote from: orcus116 on April 08, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 08, 2014, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Evermind on April 08, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Jack's action is gold again, we mean to hate his character but I can't stop cheering every time he's on screen.

This. I love Joffrey.

He should stop having the most punchable face in the universe then.
Nah.

That's Pete Campbell from Mad Men. Joffrey can take the number two slot. :)

I think you have that backwards. Pete may be a buttmunch, but at least he hasn't sadistically murdered anyone or forced someone else to murder someone.
No.
In terms of pure face-punchability, Peter's smarmy, baby-faced grin deserves a fist far more. Joffrey is way more of a monster but that's not what I was talking about.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 13, 2014, 07:53:57 PM: FUCK YES
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Post by: Super Dude on April 13, 2014, 07:54:21 PM: WOW. I knew what was gonna happen, but I was once again not prepared! :lol
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 13, 2014, 07:59:22 PM: So happy Joffrey's dead. Never thought I'd say something like that, even about a TV character. :lol
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Post by: snapple on April 13, 2014, 08:28:23 PM: Apparently there is a cure for being a cunt.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 13, 2014, 08:40:34 PM: Weddings in Westeros: never a dull moment!
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Post by: Super Dude on April 13, 2014, 10:01:32 PM: So GoT viewers, which had you more stunned: the Red Wedding or the Purple Wedding?
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Post by: TempusVox on April 13, 2014, 11:27:03 PM: I need to get some help...the whole time he was twisting on the ground, I kept saying "Die you motherfucker, die", over and over again. I'd have to say I've never experienced so much hatred for a tv character. Jesus! My reaction actually surprised me. And now I'm so giddy with glee. I haven't been this fired up since the ending of Braveheart!! NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT :metal :biggrin:

Too bad Tyrion is being set up. Only Lannister worth anything.
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Post by: jcmistat on April 14, 2014, 01:08:18 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 13, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
So GoT viewers, which had you more stunned: the Red Wedding or the Purple Wedding?

Easily the Red Wedding because at the time I haven't read any of the books. That scene was much more brutal than Joffrey's death.

I knew Purple Wedding had to happen early because its around the half way point of book 3. This season is supposed to be the second half of the third book so it couldn't be towards the end like the Red Wedding. Still a little surprised it happened in episode two.
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Post by: Accelerando on April 14, 2014, 02:06:40 AM: Such a satisfying episode :metal
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Post by: Podaar on April 14, 2014, 08:59:36 AM: I was pleased with the portrayal of the Purple Wedding but prior to that it seemed the episode was paced a bit slow and plodding. Is it just me or is the acting/directing just a bit phoned in? The first episode was much the same.

It seems to me that the horror of the Reek/Ramsay Snow relationship isn't translating to the screen very well. For just a moment, when Reek was holding the razor to Ramsay's neck I thought they'd captured it but then Reek's submission seemed a little off. His motivation for not cutting Ramsay's throat just wasn't visceral enough. I don't know, it's hard to explain. What do y'all think?
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2014, 09:55:11 AM: I knew both events were happening, since I'd already read the books, but I think that the Red Wedding was far more of a "shock." It's certainly a far more brutal affair than the Purple Wedding. One was a clever assassination, the other was a slaughterhouse.
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Post by: snapple on April 14, 2014, 10:06:24 AM: Quote from: Mister Gold on April 14, 2014, 09:55:11 AM
I knew both events were happening, since I'd already read the books, but I think that the Red Wedding was far more of a "shock." It's certainly a far more brutal affair than the Purple Wedding. One was a clever assassination, the other was a slaughterhouse.

I think the Purple Wedding was more of a shock. He's the king, FFS.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 10:15:43 AM: I honestly don't know which one shocked me more. The Red Wedding for me had this impending doom hanging over the entire thing, and although going into it I was kinda excited, once the Rains of Castamere began playing I suddenly felt really apprehensive.

The Purple Wedding, I was pretty excited right up until the moment of Joffrey's death. Not that I regret his death - he was a bastard until the very end and pretty much earned it. But watching it was pretty excruciating. It's still kinda of a disturbing thing to watch someone die, even if entirely fictional, and even if they deserved it, especially when it happens in such a violent way.

On a side note, both Jack Gleeson and Lena Heady were fan-fucking-tastic in those final moments. They both really sold it. And as much of a bastard Joffrey was, I'm going to miss Gleeson. How much I hated Joffrey was truly a mark of how great Gleeson was at bringing that character to life. I hope he goes on to a busy career after this.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2014, 10:38:09 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
I honestly don't know which one shocked me more. The Red Wedding for me had this impending doom hanging over the entire thing, and although going into it I was kinda excited, once the Rains of Castamere began playing I suddenly felt really apprehensive.

The Purple Wedding, I was pretty excited right up until the moment of Joffrey's death. Not that I regret his death - he was a bastard until the very end and pretty much earned it. But watching it was pretty excruciating. It's still kinda of a disturbing thing to watch someone die, even if entirely fictional, and even if they deserved it, especially when it happens in such a violent way.

On a side note, both Jack Gleeson and Lena Heady were fan-fucking-tastic in those final moments. They both really sold it. And as much of a bastard Joffrey was, I'm going to miss Gleeson. How much I hated Joffrey was truly a mark of how great Gleeson was at bringing that character to life. I hope he goes on to a busy career after this.

Gleeson is apparently going to retire from acting now that he's finished GoT. I hope he changes his mind down the road, as he really is a terrific actor.
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Post by: Zantera on April 14, 2014, 11:00:03 AM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 13, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
So GoT viewers, which had you more stunned: the Red Wedding or the Purple Wedding?

Red Wedding easily. I wasn't even surprised by this episode, and I haven't read the books. The main difference for me is that Red Wedding was characters you really cared about and loved, and it came out of nowhere. This time it was a character you hated, and most characters had a reason for hating him as well. And so it wasn't surprising in that sense, someone would have taken care of it sooner or later anyways.
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Post by: snapple on April 14, 2014, 11:19:47 AM: who the fuck cared about and/or loved Robb Stark?
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Post by: BlackInk on April 14, 2014, 12:24:53 PM: I must be the only one in the world who hated to see Joffrey die. Dammit! I loved watching Joffrey be an evil sick person, and I think the show will lose something without him.

Things like this is why I love the show though.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 12:28:56 PM: Quote from: snapple on April 14, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
who the fuck cared about and/or loved Robb Stark?

This. As much as he was the designated good guy, his story didn't interest me at all, and he was so incompetent that I actually found myself rooting for the Lannisters.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 14, 2014, 01:15:36 PM: Quote from: snapple on April 14, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
who the fuck cared about and/or loved Robb Stark?
"Love" is a strong word, but I definitely cared about Robb.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 01:58:19 PM: Quote from: snapple on April 14, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
who the fuck cared about and/or loved Robb Stark?

I dont know if its Robb himself, but I think a lot of people cared about the Starks as they are portrayed as the good guys. The red wedding is definitely more surprising because it happened to the good guys, you just dont see that very often in shows/movies.

And I am really upset Joffrey is gone, he was my favorite to hate character on TV. The actor just did such an amazing job with him.
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Post by: ariich on April 14, 2014, 02:05:30 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 14, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: snapple on April 14, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
who the fuck cared about and/or loved Robb Stark?
"Love" is a strong word, but I definitely cared about Robb.
Yep. And Catelyn was a bit annoying but she was a good person. And Robb's wife and unborn child, jeez that was horrible.

Whereas Joffrey was just awful and deserved to die, so yeah I didn't find it particularly shocking but I did find it particularly awesome.
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 14, 2014, 02:09:32 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 12:28:56 PM
[Robb] was so incompetent

???

(https://seattletimes.com/ABPub/2013/03/27/2020654266.jpg)
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Post by: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 02:11:44 PM: He won a battle and then lost the war and his hostage.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 02:16:52 PM: I wouldnt say Robb was incompetent. He was fine for leading an army, but he made poor choices by breaking his vow to the Freys, that cost him everything and it was his flaw for falling for Talisa. So he had his issues, but I wouldnt say he was incompetent.
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Post by: Accelerando on April 14, 2014, 02:21:38 PM: I just realized Joffery was in Batman Begins
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Post by: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 02:33:03 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
I wouldnt say Robb was incompetent. He was fine for leading an army, but he made poor choices by breaking his vow to the Freys, that cost him everything and it was his flaw for falling for Talisa. So he had his issues, but I wouldnt say he was incompetent.

Point taken, although I will note that the Karstark debacle in particular was pretty damaging and representative of his problem: his inability to see how short-game choices affected the long game.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 02:56:47 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 02:33:03 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
I wouldnt say Robb was incompetent. He was fine for leading an army, but he made poor choices by breaking his vow to the Freys, that cost him everything and it was his flaw for falling for Talisa. So he had his issues, but I wouldnt say he was incompetent.

Point taken, although I will note that the Karstark debacle in particular was pretty damaging and representative of his problem: his inability to see how short-game choices affected the long game.

Maybe, but I think the Karstark situation was tricky for Robb. The guy disobeyed him and the penalty was death. Obviously that was a big blow to his army to lose them, but I guess one could say he shouldnt of beheaded him, but I think thats a tough call.
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Post by: TheVoxyn on April 14, 2014, 03:05:46 PM: Starks deserved what came to them. #teamlannister

I read the books, so what happened in the last episode wasn't a surprise. While the character is obviously not the most likeable, it is still sad to see him leave because the actor did an absolutely phenomenal job. Seeing and hearing Sigur Rós was also pretty amazing.
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Post by: Zantera on April 14, 2014, 03:22:47 PM: I really like Tyrion and Jaime (two of my favorite characters), but I wouldn't consider myself team lannister since I despise the rest of the family. If anything I root for Dany and Jon Snow.
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Post by: ariich on April 14, 2014, 03:30:54 PM: Dany's pretty irritating. I like Jon, Arya, Tyrion. Jaime's starting to become pretty decent. I quite like all the Tyrells actually.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 03:33:38 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 14, 2014, 03:30:54 PM
Dany's pretty irritating. I like Jon, Arya, Tyrion. Jaime's starting to become pretty decent. I quite like all the Tyrells actually.

Yeah, pretty much all of this.
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Post by: ariich on April 14, 2014, 03:37:31 PM: o/
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Post by: TheVoxyn on April 14, 2014, 03:40:43 PM: Tywin and Jaime are my favourites, then Jonny Snow and Dany (although she has some bad moments). I also really like Theon for some reason.
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Post by: Accelerando on April 14, 2014, 04:08:15 PM: Dany, irritating or not, is very pleasant on the eyes
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Post by: Super Dude on April 14, 2014, 04:09:10 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 14, 2014, 03:37:31 PM
o/

*\o
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 05:21:03 PM: Tywin and Joffrey are so great on TV that I like both a lot more than the book version (not that they are different but they are portrayed so well) but Jon Snow and Tyrion are probably my favorite characters.
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Post by: TheVoxyn on April 14, 2014, 05:23:40 PM: I loved Tywin in the book as well, I like his no-bullshit (stark honour blabla) and pragmatic approach towards everything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on April 14, 2014, 06:21:09 PM: You fools! Going around publicly stating who you like the most. Don't you know Martin browses every website that mentions his books, compiles a database of who is most liked and then these guys are getting the short end of the stick as soon as possible?

The latest episode wasn't as satisfying as I had hoped. Now that it's done, I find myself shockingly surprised that I'm gonna miss the little fellow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 14, 2014, 06:21:31 PM: Yeah, Jaime is my favorite character, Tyrion my 2nd favorite and Tywin is such a badass. But I wouldn't consider myself #Team #Lannister #hashtag

Quote from: BlackInk on April 14, 2014, 12:24:53 PM
I must be the only one in the world who hated to see Joffrey die. Dammit! I loved watching Joffrey be an evil sick person, and I think the show will lose something without him.
Ramsay Snow has your evil sick person quota covered! Next to him, Joffrey was a saint!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 06:31:22 PM: Agreed about Ramsay, but I dont see him of being a likeable TV character the way Joffrey was. I still cant tell if its the character or the actor or likely both, but something about him made me really like him (in a hateful way of course). Even when I watched the first two seasons before I read the book, I LOVED Joffrey.

Ramsay is even more sadistic, but his character hasnt done anything to make me like him in any way. Just doesnt get the same emotion that Joffrey got from me, besides that you dislike them because they are terrible people.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on April 14, 2014, 10:44:28 PM: The Hound is by far my favorite character, then comes Bronn, then Varys, then Jaime, Tywin, Tyrion, and after that it's all kind of the same. My favorite characters are the ones who don't give a shit about the Iron Throne. At least the top three anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Aefenwelg on April 15, 2014, 12:18:15 AM: Varys actually does care a lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on April 15, 2014, 05:31:50 AM: Bronn's story is probably my least favorite. I hope he actually does something other than toodle around having animal dreams. There has been zero payoff so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 15, 2014, 07:50:18 AM: Don't you mean Bran? ;)

I'm really the most curious about Arya, Varys, Bran, whether or not Jon Snow is part Targaryen, and I have a strange idea that Syrio Forel is Jaqen. In the book, it's never made clear that he dies. In the TV Show, the first thing you hear after Arya runs away is a metal sword drop, not Syrio's wooden sword.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 15, 2014, 11:13:58 AM: I hope Syrio is dead and Jaqen is just, well, Jaqen. But he was awesome, I agree. That's just me.

I wonder if will they keep Jaqen going to the Oldtown like it's in AFFC or give him another role? He was a fan favourite, I think, the actor nailed him pretty much. Perhaps they'll make him play Kindly Man in the House of Black and White, though it would be a serious deviation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2014, 12:18:16 PM: I sometimes feel like giving Sansa and Tyrion a pat on the back.....just just a comfy little pat on the back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 15, 2014, 12:21:52 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
I sometimes feel like giving Sansa and Tyrion a pat on the back.....just just a comfy little pat on the back.

for what?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2014, 01:16:28 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 15, 2014, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
I sometimes feel like giving Sansa and Tyrion a pat on the back.....just just a comfy little pat on the back.

for what?

Probably for dealing with all the crap they are given.

Quote from: Aefenwelg on April 15, 2014, 12:18:15 AM
Varys actually does care a lot.

This.

Quote from: Evermind on April 15, 2014, 11:13:58 AM
I hope Syrio is dead and Jaqen is just, well, Jaqen. But he was awesome, I agree. That's just me.

I dont necessarily hope that, but I kind of believe in that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 15, 2014, 01:53:31 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on April 15, 2014, 05:31:50 AM
~~Bronn's~~Bran's story is probably my least favorite. I hope he actually does something other than toodle around having animal dreams. There has been zero payoff so far.

Bran's story is probably one of the most intriguing to me. It seems like that's more important than everything happening south of the Wall. Even though we haven't really seen much or been told what's going on, I am very much looking forward to seeing what Bran is really there for.

And why do everyone seem to avoid talking about the White Walkers like the plague? Jon Snow has seen them, he knows that's the whole reason the wildlings are moving south at all, yet not a single word about that when being interviewed. And I thought Stannis had a new mission now, since Melisandre declared that the real threat lies to the north, yet no one even hinted at that whole thing.

I suppose Jon didn't mention it since Sam has already told them about it and that's not what they were there to discuss. But Stannis, one line of dialogue would have done it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2014, 02:27:50 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 15, 2014, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: orcus116 on April 15, 2014, 05:31:50 AM
~~Bronn's~~Bran's story is probably my least favorite. I hope he actually does something other than toodle around having animal dreams. There has been zero payoff so far.

Bran's story is probably one of the most intriguing to me. It seems like that's more important than everything happening south of the Wall. Even though we haven't really seen much or been told what's going on, I am very much looking forward to seeing what Bran is really there for.

And why do everyone seem to avoid talking about the White Walkers like the plague? Jon Snow has seen them, he knows that's the whole reason the wildlings are moving south at all, yet not a single word about that when being interviewed. And I thought Stannis had a new mission now, since Melisandre declared that the real threat lies to the north, yet no one even hinted at that whole thing.

I suppose Jon didn't mention it since Sam has already told them about it and that's not what they were there to discuss. But Stannis, one line of dialogue would have done it.

Im not totally crazy about Bran's story, but Im curious as to what the payoff could be. I was reading other opinions and someone thought maybe since his warg powers are so strong (being able to warg into Hodor) that he could possibly warg into one of the dragons and burn out the white walkers. Seems like a solid thought and would make him useful.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2014, 03:30:28 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 15, 2014, 01:16:28 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 15, 2014, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
I sometimes feel like giving Sansa and Tyrion a pat on the back.....just just a comfy little pat on the back.

for what?

Probably for dealing with all the crap they are given.
Yep pretty much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on April 16, 2014, 11:14:15 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
I wouldnt say Robb was incompetent. He was fine for leading an army, but he made poor choices by breaking his vow to the Freys, that cost him everything and it was his flaw for falling for Talisa. So he had his issues, but I wouldnt say he was incompetent.

He was his father's son. He put family, love, honor first. The Lannisters put power first & the Baratheons pride. It was to be his downfall.

I forget who pointed it out in the books; but the biggest failure the Targaryens made after their conquest was to not creating a Royal army; and to permit each kingdom to maintain their own standing military. Grant it; this probably didn't occur to them since they were so overwhelmingly powerful with their dragons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on April 16, 2014, 11:14:50 AM: (double post)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2014, 12:29:10 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on April 16, 2014, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 14, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
I wouldnt say Robb was incompetent. He was fine for leading an army, but he made poor choices by breaking his vow to the Freys, that cost him everything and it was his flaw for falling for Talisa. So he had his issues, but I wouldnt say he was incompetent.

He was his father's son. He put family, love, honor first. The Lannisters put power first & the Baratheons pride. It was to be his downfall.

I forget who pointed it out in the books; but the biggest failure the Targaryens made after their conquest was to not creating a Royal army; and to permit each kingdom to maintain their own standing military. Grant it; this probably didn't occur to them since they were so overwhelmingly powerful with their dragons.

Not so sure he put honor first since he broke a vow. But you can definitely say honor was Ned's downfall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 16, 2014, 01:01:10 PM: Well, technically he could just get his comfort from Jeyne and leave her and her family there (I'm speaking of book version now), going back to his army. The Freys wouldn't need to know anything, he can still marry the Frey girl of his choice and everyone is happy.

However, because of his honor, he now was bound to marry Jeyne, which he did, which pissed off the Freys.

The show version doesn't show that, it's just kinda like "oh there's that amputator-girl from Volantis named Talisa, she's also cute, let's marry each other".

(I think it's alright to compare the book and the show as all these events have already happened in the show too)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2014, 01:09:09 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 16, 2014, 01:01:10 PM
Well, technically he could just get his comfort from Jeyne and leave her and her family there (I'm speaking of book version now), going back to his army. The Freys wouldn't need to know anything, he can still marry the Frey girl of his choice and everyone is happy.

However, because of his honor, he now was bound to marry Jeyne, which he did, which pissed off the Freys.

The show version doesn't show that, it's just kinda like "oh there's that amputator-girl from Volantis named Talisa, she's also cute, let's marry each other".

(I think it's alright to compare the book and the show as all these events have already happened in the show too)

But that also is not honorable of him to do, just like Ned was always hammered for having a bastard. But yes, that would have been a better way to handle the situation in reality so he could keep his oath and also keep his lover.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on April 16, 2014, 01:29:56 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2014, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: Evermind on April 16, 2014, 01:01:10 PM
Well, technically he could just get his comfort from Jeyne and leave her and her family there (I'm speaking of book version now), going back to his army. The Freys wouldn't need to know anything, he can still marry the Frey girl of his choice and everyone is happy.

However, because of his honor, he now was bound to marry Jeyne, which he did, which pissed off the Freys.

The show version doesn't show that, it's just kinda like "oh there's that amputator-girl from Volantis named Talisa, she's also cute, let's marry each other".

(I think it's alright to compare the book and the show as all these events have already happened in the show too)

But that also is not honorable of him to do, just like Ned was always hammered for having a bastard. But yes, that would have been a better way to handle the situation in reality so he could keep his oath and also keep his lover.

I agree that the most honorable thing Robb could have done was to live up to his commitment to the Frey's, it came first. I'm certain that Ned would have told him the same thing.

I think one of Robb's motivations for marrying Jeyne/Talisa was the flack that Ned got for John Snow--which is pretty ironic because it's nearly certain that Ned never fathered John in the first place. His unfailing honor wouldn't let him betray the promise to Lyanna that he would keep her secret. Nevermind that it made Ned look hypocritical/dis-honorable on the surface. He took that little secret with him to the grave thanks to Joffrey.

Ned's troubles somewhat mirrored Ser Jaime's too. Once you know everything that Jaime witnessed he was pretty much honorbound to kill Aerys to save the King's Landing regardless of what it did to his personal reputation.

That's one of the best thing about the Song of Ice and Fire series: All the gray areas make for more colorful characters. Fun stuff.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 16, 2014, 01:31:44 PM: Well, Jaime pretty much nails it with his "so many vows" speech.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on April 16, 2014, 01:36:02 PM: Just so everyone knows what Evermind is talking about.

"So many vows...they make you swear and swear. Defend the king. Obey the king. Keep his secrets. Do his bidding. Your life for his. But obey your father. Love your sister. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. Respect the gods. Obey the laws. It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or the other.”
― Ser Jaime Lannister
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2014, 01:58:51 PM: Yup that states it perfectly, it's impossible to keep all your vows when there's that many and all the gray areas the characters face is what makes the books/show so awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 16, 2014, 06:14:46 PM: The show added a line to that makes it more perfect. Something along the lines of: "Protect the innocent, obey the king. But what if your king wants to kill the innocent?"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2014, 08:42:23 PM: Is this how the poisoning really went down? I mean, for those of you who've read the books....does this theory hold true? I've not read the books but I assumed immediately that lady Olenna was involved, or at least her family but I thought it was the pie that was poisoned. Anyway, I thought this was neat.

https://imgur.com/a/2DtPH
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 17, 2014, 02:21:46 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Is this how the poisoning really went down? I mean, for those of you who've read the books....does this theory hold true? I've not read the books but I assumed immediately that lady Olenna was involved, or at least her family but I thought it was the pie that was poisoned. Anyway, I thought this was neat.

https://imgur.com/a/2DtPH
Very believable. Particularly as the poison crystals that cause asphysxiation have been in the stories since the beginning of a Clash of Kings/Season 2, where Maester Cressen tries to poison Melisandre with them.

If so, then I like the Tyrells even more.

In a related matter, I've now made a start on A Clash of Kings. Very slowly catching up with the TV show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 17, 2014, 05:55:19 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Is this how the poisoning really went down? I mean, for those of you who've read the books....does this theory hold true? I've not read the books but I assumed immediately that lady Olenna was involved, or at least her family but I thought it was the pie that was poisoned. Anyway, I thought this was neat.
https://imgur.com/a/2DtPH

Basically yes, only it was a hairnet with purple amethysts, not a necklace. Olenna took a stone from it fixing Sansa's hair which went loose because of wind (or so Olenna said :P). Though in the book, Dontos gave Sansa the hairnet weeks or months before the wedding, and specifically told her to wear it if she wanted to escape from KL
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: SeRoX on April 17, 2014, 07:54:08 AM: I just had a little party at my home because of the last seconds of the last episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 17, 2014, 07:59:34 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 17, 2014, 05:55:19 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Is this how the poisoning really went down? I mean, for those of you who've read the books....does this theory hold true? I've not read the books but I assumed immediately that lady Olenna was involved, or at least her family but I thought it was the pie that was poisoned. Anyway, I thought this was neat.
https://imgur.com/a/2DtPH

Basically yes, only it was a hairnet with purple amethysts, not a necklace. Olenna took a stone from it fixing Sansa's hair which went loose because of wind (or so Olenna said :P). Though in the book, Dontos gave Sansa the hairnet weeks or months before the wedding, and specifically told her to wear it if she wanted to escape from KL.

Let us not forget Littlefinger's role in this. ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 17, 2014, 08:18:21 AM: Maybe it'd be worthwhile putting spoiler tags around discussions of who is behind last episode's events (even if it's just something found online, since there's a distinct possibility it could be info from the books)...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: snapple on April 17, 2014, 08:35:17 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 17, 2014, 05:55:19 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Is this how the poisoning really went down? I mean, for those of you who've read the books....does this theory hold true? I've not read the books but I assumed immediately that lady Olenna was involved, or at least her family but I thought it was the pie that was poisoned. Anyway, I thought this was neat.
https://imgur.com/a/2DtPH

Basically yes, only it was a hairnet with purple amethysts, not a necklace. Olenna took a stone from it fixing Sansa's hair which went loose because of wind (or so Olenna said :P). Though in the book, Dontos gave Sansa the hairnet weeks or months before the wedding, and specifically told her to wear it if she wanted to escape from KL.

make it smaller and use strikethru, PLEASE
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 17, 2014, 09:17:48 AM: Yea a lot of that discussion is spoiler IMO, you aren't supposed to know how it went down yet!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 17, 2014, 09:33:33 AM: Quote from: ariich on April 17, 2014, 02:21:46 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Is this how the poisoning really went down? I mean, for those of you who've read the books....does this theory hold true? I've not read the books but I assumed immediately that lady Olenna was involved, or at least her family but I thought it was the pie that was poisoned. Anyway, I thought this was neat.

https://imgur.com/a/2DtPH
Very believable. Particularly as the poison crystals that cause asphysxiation have been in the stories since the beginning of a Clash of Kings/Season 2, where Maester Cressen tries to poison Melisandre with them.

If so, then I like the Tyrells even more.

In a related matter, I've now made a start on A Clash of Kings. Very slowly catching up with the TV show.

Quote from: Evermind on April 17, 2014, 05:55:19 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Is this how the poisoning really went down? I mean, for those of you who've read the books....does this theory hold true? I've not read the books but I assumed immediately that lady Olenna was involved, or at least her family but I thought it was the pie that was poisoned. Anyway, I thought this was neat.
https://imgur.com/a/2DtPH

Basically yes, only it was a hairnet with purple amethysts, not a necklace. Olenna took a stone from it fixing Sansa's hair which went loose because of wind (or so Olenna said :P). Though in the book, Dontos gave Sansa the hairnet weeks or months before the wedding, and specifically told her to wear it if she wanted to escape from KL

Thanks for the insight............and I'm sorry to have 'spoiled' anything if I did. From what I could tell, this whole thread is full of discussions outside of the TV show that involve the books and it appeared that most everyone had read the books and 'know' what's going on (I haven't) so I didn't really stipulate 'SPOILER'. My bad.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 17, 2014, 10:44:26 AM: No, that's my fault. Next time any little thing I'll write about the books will be in size 1 and with [*s] tags. Or if you want to get some information from the books, you can also PM me.

Sorry if I ruined anyone's experience.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 17, 2014, 12:02:49 PM: I don't think discussing the books needs small print as long as its already happened on the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: snapple on April 17, 2014, 12:03:47 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 17, 2014, 12:02:49 PM
I don't think discussing the books needs small print as long as its already happened on the show.

Problem was, it hasn't really happened in the show. Or, it at least hasn't been revealed to the audience.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 17, 2014, 12:07:20 PM: Quote from: snapple on April 17, 2014, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 17, 2014, 12:02:49 PM
I don't think discussing the books needs small print as long as its already happened on the show.

Problem was, it hasn't really happened in the show. Or, it at least hasn't been revealed to the audience.

Yea well you don't need to apologize to me because I read the books, but yea the whole who killed him may be a mystery in the show, not sure how they will play it out or if they will just tell us next episode but the clues are there and if you pay really close attention you can see who is involved.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 17, 2014, 12:19:53 PM: Come on, already. If you haven't figured out that Hodor did it, you haven't been paying attention.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 17, 2014, 12:20:07 PM: Quote from: snapple on April 17, 2014, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 17, 2014, 12:02:49 PM
I don't think discussing the books needs small print as long as its already happened on the show.

Problem was, it hasn't really happened in the show. Or, it at least hasn't been revealed to the audience.

Yep, I answered because I was asked and I made it smaller. I thought if you guys see the smaller text than usual, you automatically skip it because spoilers, but apparently not. No worries, I won't do that again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 17, 2014, 02:53:57 PM: Please discussion of events in the book that have not yet taken place in the TV show in the Song of Ice and Fire thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4956.175

There are a LOT of people who watch the show but don't read the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on April 17, 2014, 03:44:20 PM: I can't remember where the hell I found this, but check it: https://quartermaester.info

It's a map of Westeros with all the "paths" of each character's journey.

Warning: Possible spoilers, depending on how you slide the scale.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 17, 2014, 03:51:54 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on April 17, 2014, 03:44:20 PM
I can't remember where the hell I found this, but check it: https://quartermaester.info

It's a map of Westeros with all the "paths" of each character's journey.

Warning: Possible spoilers, depending on how you slide the scale.

Wow thats awesome, thanks for sharing. I dont know why I thought slaver's bay was more north.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 17, 2014, 05:30:24 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 17, 2014, 02:53:57 PM
Please discussion of events in the book that have not yet taken place in the TV show in the Song of Ice and Fire thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4956.175

There are a LOT of people who watch the show but don't read the books.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 18, 2014, 04:42:52 AM: And what about the more than 40 messages that Aemon had Sam send? Was Stannis really the only recipient of one of these messages? There has been absolutely no other mention of them elsewhere.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on April 18, 2014, 08:19:39 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 18, 2014, 04:42:52 AM
And what about the more than 40 messages that Aemon had Sam send? Was Stannis really the only recipient of one of these messages? There has been absolutely no other mention of them elsewhere.

As you can probably surmise; he will end up having something to do with the Wall. Its why the show only spends time with him regarding the letters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2014, 10:13:14 AM: Quote from: soundgarden on April 18, 2014, 08:19:39 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 18, 2014, 04:42:52 AM
And what about the more than 40 messages that Aemon had Sam send? Was Stannis really the only recipient of one of these messages? There has been absolutely no other mention of them elsewhere.

As you can probably surmise; he will end up having something to do with the Wall. Its why the show only spends time with him regarding the letters.

Likely everyone else disregards it sort of how Cersei disregarded the hand of the wight that was presented to her early on in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on April 18, 2014, 12:30:33 PM: Hand of the what now?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 18, 2014, 12:34:36 PM: Hand of the dead dude that attacked Jeor Mormont in S1. Jon Snow defended him and chopped the dead dude's (wight's) hand and Thorne was sent to KL with this hand as a proof.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2014, 02:49:53 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 18, 2014, 12:34:36 PM
Hand of the dead dude that attacked Jeor Mormont in S1. Jon Snow defended him and chopped the dead dude's (wight's) hand and Thorne was sent to KL with this hand as a proof.

Yup, and Cersei disregarded it and laughed it off while Tyrion understood the seriousness.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 18, 2014, 10:09:14 PM: Well, to be somewhat fair, the hand did decompose to the point that Thorne had no evidence to present. Even Tyrion was a bit dubious of the proof.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 19, 2014, 02:51:51 AM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on April 18, 2014, 10:09:14 PM
Well, to be somewhat fair, the hand did decompose to the point that Thorne had no evidence to present. Even Tyrion was a bit dubious of the proof.

Well, to be fair (there are no spoilers of what yet to come in the show, but I'm just being careful):
I don't remember it clearly, but I think in the show Thorne just showed up in court and that's it? Because in the books it was like:
Bronn to Tyrion: There's a man of the Night's Watch who wants to see you.
Tyrion: Oh, must be something serious, I think I should see him. It's not Yoren, by chance?
Bronn: Nah, it's some guy named Thorne.
Tyrion: Alliser Thorne? *thinks about how he doesn't like Alliser at all* Well, now I think of it, he might wait a week or two, find him some uncomfortable room.
And when Alliser finally shows up at court, he says the hand has rotten to pieces while he waited.

But in fact, that's maddening how no one takes the Night's Watch seriously. I think if Ned Stark was alive at this point, he would've believed Thorne. I mean the fucking zombies and ethereal creatures that are killing everybody are awakening after a very long time, and everyone just don't give a damn about it, laughing and thinking this is some kind of prank.
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Post by: snapple on April 19, 2014, 04:39:46 AM: Is there a new episode Sunday?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 19, 2014, 05:21:04 AM: Quote from: snapple on April 19, 2014, 04:39:46 AM
Is there a new episode Sunday?
Yes.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 20, 2014, 07:05:37 AM: I hope we get to see Dany live up to her 'Unburnt' title some more soon. We haven't really seen any signs of those qualities since the season one finale.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 20, 2014, 09:26:38 AM: Because it isn't a "quality". It's just a one-time thing that happened.

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Granny: Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?

George_RR_Martin: Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.

Revanshe: So she won't be able to do it again?

George_RR_Martin: Probably not.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2014, 10:25:35 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 20, 2014, 09:26:38 AM
Because it isn't a "quality". It's just a one-time thing that happened.

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Granny: Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?

George_RR_Martin: Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.

Revanshe: So she won't be able to do it again?

George_RR_Martin: Probably not.

But we also saw her go into the steaming hot water in season 1 episode 1 as well as touch the hot dragon eggs in another episode in season 1. So it GRRM saying that now that the dragons have hatched, she is not longer immune to fire/extreme heat?
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 20, 2014, 10:46:35 AM: Since none of those things I remember happening in the book, I'm gonna go ahead and say it was a way for the series to show the audience that Dany walking into the pyre wasn't such a lunatic idea.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2014, 10:58:02 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 20, 2014, 10:46:35 AM
Since none of those things I remember happening in the book, I'm gonna go ahead and say it was a way for the series to show the audience that Dany walking into the pyre wasn't such a lunatic idea.

I thought the hot bath was in the book. Maybe I am wrong though.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 20, 2014, 11:07:16 AM: I knew Visearys was never immune, since the "ouch" when Doreah poured hot wax on his chest, but I did think that Dany perminantly was. At least that's how they made it seem like in the show since, like mentioned above, she did it three times during season 1.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2014, 11:55:41 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 20, 2014, 11:07:16 AM
I knew Visearys was never immune, since the "ouch" when Doreah poured hot wax on his chest, but I did think that Dany perminantly was. At least that's how they made it seem like in the show since, like mentioned above, she did it three times during season 1.

Yea Visearys definitely did not have that power and Dany even says it in the show after Drogo pours the molten gold on his head, she says something along the lines of "a dragon cannot die from fire" because Visearys always called himself a dragon.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 20, 2014, 12:08:37 PM: There is a bath scene in the book, but (IIRC) it doesn't go like the show scene goes. There's servants bathing her and telling her she's so lucky to marry a guy (Drogo) so powerful and rich even his slaves wear golden collars, but no allusions to her being immune to heat.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 20, 2014, 12:14:27 PM: I believe ~~both~~ all of those instances never occurred in the books. The show was simply playing it up so that the events at the end of Season 1 wouldn't seem to come out of nowhere.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2014, 12:53:05 PM: Ah, I watched the show before the book so I sometimes get them mixed. I probably read the bath scene and was thinking about how the water was really hot then and just remembered wrong then. Good to know.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 21, 2014, 04:32:18 AM: Great episode. Of course, next to last weeks ending, most things would not be as exciting once compared to that. But this one did a great job, of both showing some action and building up some interesting stories.

And holy shit the walls of Mereen were huge. At first I didn't see how large those statues at the gate were, but then I saw the tiny people moving above, and it was even more awesome. Really impressive city.

Also loved Tywin's "good king" speech to Tommen, great stuff. And I also look forward to seeing more of Tommen himself.
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Post by: wasteland on April 21, 2014, 06:40:05 AM: I liked the episode!

As always, Tywin's presence in itself is an highlight for me, let alone his monologues! What a scene with Tommen in the Sept!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2014, 10:40:34 AM: Yea Tywin is great, his scene with Oberyn was also pretty awesome. Kind of surprised that Tywin at least appeared to be serious about the dragons now. Not sure if thats part of his plot to get close with Oberyn, but last season he seemed to be pretty clear when talking to Joffrey that he thought the dragons were not much of a threat at that point.
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Post by: Evermind on April 21, 2014, 10:42:29 AM: I think that was just his way to show Oberyn that he (and Dorne) is needed and important. Doesn't mean he necessarily believes that.

Tywin and Tommen scene was really great, I loved it. Jaime and Cersei though, not so much. Overall I think the episode was decent, but I liked the first two better.

By the way I'm not native English speaker, but Littlefinger's voice sounds more ridiculous every season, I also suppose he changed his accent a bit. I doubt I would recognize him without the video if I compared his speech in this episode with his season 1 voice.
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Post by: ariich on April 21, 2014, 10:49:39 AM: Well, the actor is Irish, and he's sounding more and more so every season for some reason.
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Post by: wasteland on April 21, 2014, 11:04:36 AM: I think putting an accent on the dragon threat was a double-edged move from Tywin. I'm sure Oberyn would just throw himself in his late sister's sister in law with little hesitation just to topple the Lannisters on the throne, should she ever come to Westeros in Oberyn's lifetime.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2014, 12:09:49 PM: I really disliked the Jaime/Cersei sex/rape. I dont recall that being rape in the books although she was kind of turned off by him when he returned with one hand, but I dont recall it coming off as rape, just her not so interested but goes along. The show made it look like she wanted nothing to do with it and it kind of hurts Jaime's character because he spent all last season becoming a more likeable guy.

As for Petyrs accent. I didnt notice (maybe because I was watcing a poor stream on HBGOGO in my hotel room) but there's a lot of talk about how his accent keeps changing on westeros.org
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Post by: BlackInk on April 21, 2014, 12:33:37 PM: Didn't notice Littlefinger's accent change. And I was fine with the Jaime/Cersei scene, although I obviously didn't like what he did. And I couldn't really decide how much Cersei consented to it. I mean yeah, the repeated "stop it"s were pretty clear, but she definetely returned the kisses, quite passionately. But yeah, she most likely didn't want it more than she wanted it.

And while this was a step down for the likeability of Jaime's character, I don't think it's a step down in interesting..ness..

EDIT: And also, I hope we sometime get to see Barristan in action. So far we've only heard praise about how much of an amazing fighter he is, along with several moments now when he almost fights.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2014, 01:00:46 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 21, 2014, 12:33:37 PM
Didn't notice Littlefinger's accent change. And I was fine with the Jaime/Cersei scene, although I obviously didn't like what he did. And I couldn't really decide how much Cersei consented to it. I mean yeah, the repeated "stop it"s were pretty clear, but she definetely returned the kisses, quite passionately. But yeah, she most likely didn't want it more than she wanted it.

And while this was a step down for the likeability of Jaime's character, I don't think it's a step down in interesting..ness..

EDIT: And also, I hope we sometime get to see Barristan in action. So far we've only heard praise about how much of an amazing fighter he is, along with several moments now when he almost fights.

lol, Barristan makes me laugh when he says he will fight. He looks like he has a belly and is old, I couldnt imagine him fighting a champion in reality.
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Post by: masterthes on April 21, 2014, 01:12:46 PM: Pretty cool episode. Tywin was the boss as usual. I wonder if he actually believes Tyrion killed his grandson?
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Post by: BlackInk on April 21, 2014, 01:46:18 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
lol, Barristan makes me laugh when he says he will fight. He looks like he has a belly and is old, I couldnt imagine him fighting a champion in reality.

Which would make it so much cooler if he steps up and actually kicks ass.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 21, 2014, 05:41:18 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 21, 2014, 10:49:39 AM
Well, the actor is Irish, and he's sounding more and more so every season for some reason.

He'll always be Mayor Carcetti to me.
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Post by: FracturedMirror on April 21, 2014, 06:29:43 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 21, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
lol, Barristan makes me laugh when he says he will fight. He looks like he has a belly and is old, I couldnt imagine him fighting a champion in reality.

Which would make it so much cooler if he steps up and actually kicks ass.

Barristan the character definitely could; don't know about the actor because we haven't seen him in any fight scenes yet on the show. But when Barristan told the other Kingsguard members that he could still cut through them all like carving a cake he was speaking the truth. Book Barristan is quite the badass when it comes to swordfighting and combat, .
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2014, 06:38:15 PM: Quote from: FracturedMirror on April 21, 2014, 06:29:43 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 21, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
lol, Barristan makes me laugh when he says he will fight. He looks like he has a belly and is old, I couldnt imagine him fighting a champion in reality.

Which would make it so much cooler if he steps up and actually kicks ass.

Barristan the character definitely could; don't know about the actor because we haven't seen him in any fight scenes yet on the show. But when Barristan told the other Kingsguard members that he could still cut through them all like carving a cake he was speaking the truth. Book Barristan is quite the badass when it comes to swordfighting and combat, .

Agreed. Maybe it was the armor, but season 1 Barristan looked the part, the Barristan now looks old, shruggish, and really hasnt added to anything.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 21, 2014, 09:34:29 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 21, 2014, 10:49:39 AM
Well, the actor is Irish, and he's sounding more and more so every season for some reason.
Aidan Gillen has always been one of the weak links in the cast to me. I always get the kind of vague hint from his performances that he just doesn't give a fuck. It certainly doesn't help that he's usually saddled with some of the worst material in the show. This one scene was probably the worst. His creeping accent and Batman-rasp just made him sound ridiculous. No idea who thought that was a good idea.

Not a bad actor certainly but, considering the character, it's a shame I'm usually underwhelmed by his portrayal.

As for Barristan, he doesn't have much to do in the books at this juncture, but in the show it's a lot more noticeable that he's done nothing but stand around in the background for a season and a half. Hopefully the showrunners invent something for him to do by season's end other than offer advice. :)

This wasn't a bad episode. Kinda slow, but considering what happened in the last two episodes, it's a bit understandable. I just hope that they didn't blow their wad early and the rest of the season is just a slow, plodding march towards the inevitable OMFG episodes 9 and 10 conclusion.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 21, 2014, 10:25:17 PM: Nah, it won't.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2014, 09:48:53 AM: I haven't read the books so I don't know the level of importance......but to me any scene with the fat Castle Black guardsman and the chic with the small baby is nothing but a waste of time that they could be spending on a more relevant, interesting storyline. There was easily 10 minutes of the last episode dedicated to them and it was utterly boring and useless.
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Post by: wasteland on April 22, 2014, 09:55:07 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2014, 09:48:53 AM
I haven't read the books so I don't know the level of importance......but to me any scene with the fat Castle Black guardsman and the chic with the small baby is nothing but a waste of time that they could be spending on a more relevant, interesting storyline. There was easily 10 minutes of the last episode dedicated to them and it was utterly boring and useless.

Sam is a major character of the series, I'm sorry for you if you don't like his storyline so far.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2014, 10:47:56 AM: Quote from: wasteland on April 22, 2014, 09:55:07 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2014, 09:48:53 AM
I haven't read the books so I don't know the level of importance......but to me any scene with the fat Castle Black guardsman and the chic with the small baby is nothing but a waste of time that they could be spending on a more relevant, interesting storyline. There was easily 10 minutes of the last episode dedicated to them and it was utterly boring and useless.

Sam is a major character of the series, I'm sorry for you if you don't like his storyline so far.

Yeah, it hasn't really done anything for me yet. Easily my least favorite 'story' of the show.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2014, 11:03:16 AM: Quote from: wasteland on April 22, 2014, 09:55:07 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2014, 09:48:53 AM
I haven't read the books so I don't know the level of importance......but to me any scene with the fat Castle Black guardsman and the chic with the small baby is nothing but a waste of time that they could be spending on a more relevant, interesting storyline. There was easily 10 minutes of the last episode dedicated to them and it was utterly boring and useless.

Sam is a major character of the series, I'm sorry for you if you don't like his storyline so far.

While Sam's story is fine for me, his scenes in the last episode made little sense to me. I understand her being at Castle Black isn't safe, but I got to think it's safe than Moles Town especially since they know the wildlings are raiding south of the wall. You'd think Sam would realize bringing her to a village (besides the fact that its a whore village) is a terrible idea.
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Post by: wasteland on April 25, 2014, 07:04:05 AM: That's my opinion as well, but let's see how things evolve. The writers may decide to have her interact with the wildling raiders coming up to Castle Black to spice up her story for this season.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2014, 08:48:29 AM: Quote from: wasteland on April 25, 2014, 07:04:05 AM
That's my opinion as well, but let's see how things evolve. The writers may decide to have her interact with the wildling raiders coming up to Castle Black to spice up her story for this season.

True. Ill definitely save my final opinion on the matter until we see how it plays out, but no doubt it seemed to make little sense. They are obviously adding a lot more storylines into whats going on at the wall this season... the Thenns/Locke heading to the Wall/Jon potentially leading a group to Crasters/Gilly to Molestown/Bran's story may take a detuour too
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Post by: BlackInk on April 25, 2014, 01:09:35 PM: One thing which came to mind just now, will Essos be threatened at all if the Others breached the Wall?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2014, 02:57:15 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 25, 2014, 01:09:35 PM
One thing which came to mind just now, will Essos be threatened at all if the Others breached the Wall?

Not sure but from ADWD (maybe spoiler, but not huge storywise):

In a letter sent to castle back from nights watch north of the wall, they say the walkers are in the water too (may be or may not be important because we have no other info than they can go into the water and also not sure how that would play out in the show)
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Post by: wasteland on April 25, 2014, 04:08:37 PM: Essos has the shadow beyond Asshai, which I think may play a role in future books and seasons. To each continent its own monster/spirit/whatever-they-are.
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Post by: wasteland on April 25, 2014, 04:27:41 PM: Oh, and this is probably rather old, but it gave me a good laugh :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/WI8IKO1.gif)
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2014, 04:53:17 PM: That's hilarious :rollin
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Post by: ariich on April 26, 2014, 03:51:07 AM: On a similar note, Jon Snow meets Jon Snow: https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/459685239934431234/photo/1
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 27, 2014, 09:56:48 PM: The series just spoiled something for book readers!! :lol

That last scene raises so many questions!! The only thing it confirms is that the Others/white walkers are indeed a race of supernatural beings with some king of society/hierarchy.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 27, 2014, 10:10:50 PM: Is that even Martin-approved? My book-reading friend was flipping a shit at the entire last 15 minutes.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 27, 2014, 10:16:55 PM: It has to be.

We know that the next book is gonna delved into the white walkers and the Lands of Always Winter... I'm guessing this is our first taste at that.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on April 27, 2014, 11:00:35 PM: I'm curious to know, without any spoilers if possible, how the book is planning on delving into that setting. Wouldn't a POV character need to be there? I guess there are some major characters moving north, but still…
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 27, 2014, 11:35:29 PM: There's a character with some... abilities, that can help there.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2014, 05:34:31 AM: I think book readers aren't going to be happy. All the stuff with Crasters was not in the books and then that ending... yes that may have been spoilers for book readers.
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Post by: Podaar on April 28, 2014, 07:17:58 AM: I'm not unhappy with the episode. More like confused. I suppose I should reserve judgment until the screenwriters story completely unfolds but I'll just throw this out there: The happenings at Castle Black/The Wall was probably the best parts of the books! In my mind it would have made for great television...so why change things so drastically?

Part of the fun of watching the series is seeing what changes the screenwriters make and trying to figure out why. For the most part, this series has been incredibly faithful to the source. Now that they are deviating...I don't know. On the surface it just seems pointless.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2014, 09:37:09 AM: Yeah, the ending really had me scratching my head. I need to rewatch it.

We'll see what happens, I guess.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 28, 2014, 10:38:29 AM: My guess is that they're changing things because they know that Martin probably won't finish the novels before they catch up to him, so they're sowing the seeds now to allow the show to eventually deviate permanently from the books and allow it to draw its own conclusion separate from the books.
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Post by: TioJorge on April 28, 2014, 10:43:18 AM: I've really lost interest in the show. I'm loving the books and am halfway through 4, but the show couldn't possibly be less interesting to me. I mean, I absolutely love the casting, the direction, the music, the world...but something about the way they tell the story bores the fuck outta me. And we all know how boring fuck is.

But really, I have forced myself through S2 and was rewarded with a spectacular finale...only to be disappointed by the little king's death, which was so completely underwhelming it wasn't even funny. Yeah, push the boundaries with how many tits you can get on the screen, but don't allow one of the most beautifully developed and equally hated, wretched characters in existence to have his deserved death... It's a bad joke. The show has just been so hopelessly up and down. There's times when I think it can surpass what the books have created, and other times that I wonder what the flying fuck the creative team is smoking when they throw us through the ringer like they did this recent end to this episode.

It's just too jumbled and unfinished for me. Martin has his mistakes, the obvious being his own jarring way of telling the story, supposedly one which I haven't read yet but know of due to its infamous nature. But the books have the luxury of my infinite, amazing imagination that cannot possibly be matched by anything tangible. The show is so much more limited, it can't afford to make the mistakes that Martin has in the books. Which they have thus far. I like the show, but for the life of me I can't get into it like many people have (granted, most of the fans that I've spoken to haven't read the books...dunno how this statistic holds overall though).

Whatevs, I still enjoy it, but my reading the books before the show kind of set my expectations through the roof, and with the hype this show got, I kind of kept those expectations only to be a bit let down (though not a first). I'll continue watching and I'm sure enjoy it, though. I just hope it doesn't get any more jumbled than it has, a bit more concise with the perspectives and timelines. What worries me is that it's just going to become harder to do as they progress since it's obvious they're going to surpass Martin's timeline.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 28, 2014, 12:49:27 PM: Fucking awesome episode. You have probably noticed that I'm #teamwhitewalkers, so that ending was really really interesting. The rest was amazing as usual, but that topped it all.

Dany's scenes were really cool too. That shot of her on the top of the great pyramid was cool, real movie like. And also, isn't there a valyrian road in Mereen? Or from Mereen? It would be cool to see that sometime.

EDIT: Also, the post above is why I don't read the books until after the show. Guaranteed double enjoyment.
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Post by: TioJorge on April 28, 2014, 02:16:59 PM: Well, I can't be faulted for not being able to predict that they'd make a show about it, now can I? :lol

Otherwise I agree, I try to predict now whether a new book series will be adapted into a movie/TV show since it's become so popular to do so in the past decade (I should say, ridiculously so recently...since it's been going on a while now).
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2014, 05:02:13 PM: In my case, if the books are going to be adapted doesn't factor at all in my decision of reading them or not.

And in regards to the GoT, I think D&D do the best they can with the limitations of the medium and I've enjoyed (and even been surprised) by the changes they've made to the source material. Though I am very interested to see how they handled things after this season since they'll be in full AFfC/ADwD territory.
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Post by: snapple on April 28, 2014, 05:35:38 PM: Quote from: Mister Gold on April 28, 2014, 10:38:29 AM
My guess is that they're changing things because they know that Martin probably won't finish the novels before they catch up to him, so they're sowing the seeds now to allow the show to eventually deviate permanently from the books and allow it to draw its own conclusion separate from the books.

Martin already told D&D how the story ends. They won't deviate.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2014, 06:24:57 PM: Of course they will, they have to to make it fit their story.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 28, 2014, 06:28:56 PM: Quote from: snapple on April 28, 2014, 05:35:38 PM
Quote from: Mister Gold on April 28, 2014, 10:38:29 AM
My guess is that they're changing things because they know that Martin probably won't finish the novels before they catch up to him, so they're sowing the seeds now to allow the show to eventually deviate permanently from the books and allow it to draw its own conclusion separate from the books.

Martin already told D&D how the story ends. They won't deviate.

I'm aware of that, but I could see them making a similar, but different ending to the series if need be.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 28, 2014, 08:13:30 PM: Man, this episode was like 90% new stuff. I knew it was going to happen eventually (because Martin lol) but it was still jarring. Still, a significant step up from last weeks and finally, FINALLY we get to see the real Others and not the chilly zombies that we've only seen before.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2014, 09:56:17 PM: I think they've done a fantastic job with Jamie's character...the way he's pretty much turned a 180. I went from despising the character to next to Tyrion, he's possibly my favorite.

Daneyreus is ruthless. :metal I love it.

I don't know if any other parents had as hard a time listening to that baby cry the 'I'm scared and hurt' cry....not the "I'm hungry cry" as I did, but there is a difference in the two and they were able to capture the correct one for those scenes. It was brutal for me for some reason, on top of just thinking of a baby left out in the cold like that.

I'm curious as to if that baby being 'touched' by a being that wasn't as decayed as the Walkers we've seen.....he had more skin and a more organic feel....I'm curious as to if that's what that baby would grow in to?
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Post by: puppyonacid on April 29, 2014, 05:48:32 AM: Absolutely!

I watched the episode last night. I had to turn the sound down. I'm generally not the crying sort at movies, tv shows etc. Things may put a lump in my throat, but listening to that baby cry was making me teary eyed. Not nice to listen to. God knows how they recorded it :-/
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 29, 2014, 10:45:46 AM: Well, everytime they show the White Walkers they look more human and less decrepit and wrinkled. Compared the ones from the pilot to the others shown.

I don't know if that means that, symbolically, they're gaining strength or that they're different castes of them.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2014, 12:25:34 PM: I was kind of annoyed with the final 20 minutes of the episode because it's not at all in the books, but when thinking about it, it's actually pretty good. Bran book and show are almost fully caught up so they needed him to do something, Jon at this point in the book isn't doing anything that makes for good tv so might as well have him do something and then the mutineer stuff well I guess it gives us more bad guys to hate. I'm interested to see how it plays out in the end and to see if the end result deviates from the books. Also Locke at the wall is an added bonus because we don't know what he is up to but a lot of people think he will merge characters with another NW member.

As for the white walkers, I thought it was cool to see and I don't think it's a huge spoiler other than a visual of the land of always winter and that they can turn babies into white walkers. There's still tons of questions about them. I also think we aren't going to get another glimpse this season, buts that's just my opinion.
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Post by: Podaar on April 29, 2014, 01:56:11 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
I was kind of annoyed with the final 20 minutes of the episode because it's not at all in the books, but when thinking about it, it's actually pretty good. Bran book and show are almost fully caught up so they needed him to do something, Jon at this point in the book isn't doing anything that makes for good tv so might as well have him do something and then the mutineer stuff well I guess it gives us more bad guys to hate. I'm interested to see how it plays out in the end and to see if the end result deviates from the books. Also Locke at the wall is an added bonus because we don't know what he is up to but a lot of people think he will merge characters with another NW member.

As for the white walkers, I thought it was cool to see and I don't think it's a huge spoiler other than a visual of the land of always winter and that they can turn babies into white walkers. There's still tons of questions about them. I also think we aren't going to get another glimpse this season, buts that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure there's room for another character to be merged with Locke...he's practically the entire troop of the Bloody Mummers all rolled into one now! :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 29, 2014, 01:58:27 PM: I'm still mad he doesn't have a lisp, though.
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Post by: Podaar on April 29, 2014, 02:04:58 PM: Yes, the removal of Vargo Hoat (and Shagwell the Fool for that matter) as a character is one of the more disappointing choices for me as a fan of the novels. I will say, they've still done a good job of using the remaining villains effectively as motivations for the central characters.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2014, 02:38:12 PM: Quote from: Podaar on April 29, 2014, 01:56:11 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
I was kind of annoyed with the final 20 minutes of the episode because it's not at all in the books, but when thinking about it, it's actually pretty good. Bran book and show are almost fully caught up so they needed him to do something, Jon at this point in the book isn't doing anything that makes for good tv so might as well have him do something and then the mutineer stuff well I guess it gives us more bad guys to hate. I'm interested to see how it plays out in the end and to see if the end result deviates from the books. Also Locke at the wall is an added bonus because we don't know what he is up to but a lot of people think he will merge characters with another NW member.

As for the white walkers, I thought it was cool to see and I don't think it's a huge spoiler other than a visual of the land of always winter and that they can turn babies into white walkers. There's still tons of questions about them. I also think we aren't going to get another glimpse this season, buts that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure there's room for another character to be merged with Locke...he's practically the entire troop of the Bloody Mummers all rolled into one now! :lol

One idea (spoilers), I read the forums on westeros.org so I dont come up with these ideas myself...

Bowen Marsh, since he stabs Jon at the end of ADWD or he could just end up getting killed at Crasters, but if he survives crasters then I would bet he gets real close to Jon and then stabs him in the back right after he announces he is going to take on the Boltons (see the connection?)
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Post by: The King in Crimson on April 29, 2014, 09:44:12 PM: I'm wondering if Locke's buddy-buddy routine with Snow is all ruse or if there's a blossoming bromance in the works there. Might make things a bit more interesting if Locke actually takes a liking to Snow. I'm kinda hoping he doesn't bite it at Craster's Keep.
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Post by: Super Dude on April 30, 2014, 03:20:02 AM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on April 29, 2014, 09:44:12 PM
I'm kinda hoping he doesn't bite it at Craster's Keep.

Well, if we know GRRM...

(https://www.quickmeme.com/img/48/485f3d3d0ce39b7cdb3bfe38740f6c06cc7c94f725d336945d34c832051b98e9.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2014, 06:47:58 AM: Quote from: The King in Crimson on April 29, 2014, 09:44:12 PM
I'm wondering if Locke's buddy-buddy routine with Snow is all ruse or if there's a blossoming bromance in the works there. Might make things a bit more interesting if Locke actually takes a liking to Snow. I'm kinda hoping he doesn't bite it at Craster's Keep.

Thats a feeling I got. He is going into the NW with the idea of getting info out of Jon, but ends up doing something at Craster's keep that saves his life or something else that ends up getting them really close with an eventual betrayal. Who knows, even the book readers cant say they know how this all plays out.
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Post by: bertoltus on April 30, 2014, 01:20:52 PM: Didn't Roose Bolton task Locke with looking for Bran and Rickon? And I think Locke overheard Sam and Jon talking about Bran being beyond the Wall...
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Post by: Podaar on April 30, 2014, 01:56:50 PM: Quote from: bertoltus on April 30, 2014, 01:20:52 PM
Didn't Roose Bolton task Locke with looking for Bran and Rickon? And I think Locke overheard Sam and Jon talking about Bran being beyond the Wall...

Yes, that's the way I saw it unfold.
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Post by: wasteland on May 03, 2014, 04:04:16 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2014, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: Podaar on April 29, 2014, 01:56:11 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
I was kind of annoyed with the final 20 minutes of the episode because it's not at all in the books, but when thinking about it, it's actually pretty good. Bran book and show are almost fully caught up so they needed him to do something, Jon at this point in the book isn't doing anything that makes for good tv so might as well have him do something and then the mutineer stuff well I guess it gives us more bad guys to hate. I'm interested to see how it plays out in the end and to see if the end result deviates from the books. Also Locke at the wall is an added bonus because we don't know what he is up to but a lot of people think he will merge characters with another NW member.

As for the white walkers, I thought it was cool to see and I don't think it's a huge spoiler other than a visual of the land of always winter and that they can turn babies into white walkers. There's still tons of questions about them. I also think we aren't going to get another glimpse this season, buts that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure there's room for another character to be merged with Locke...he's practically the entire troop of the Bloody Mummers all rolled into one now! :lol

One idea (spoilers), I read the forums on westeros.org so I dont come up with these ideas myself...

Bowen Marsh, since he stabs Jon at the end of ADWD or he could just end up getting killed at Crasters, but if he survives crasters then I would bet he gets real close to Jon and then stabs him in the back right after he announces he is going to take on the Boltons (see the connection?)

This is most likely what is going to happen. Good thinkin' :tup
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Post by: BlackInk on May 04, 2014, 10:05:55 AM: Someone else suspecting that Grey Worm might be Missandei's brother?
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 04, 2014, 10:28:13 AM: Doubt it since they're both from different places.

Per the books, she does have a brother who's an Unsullied, but it's not Grey Worm.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 04, 2014, 02:10:05 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 04, 2014, 10:28:13 AM
Doubt it since they're both from different places.

Are they? Grey Worm said he was from The Summer Isles, and then Missandei said she doesn't remember much, with an exception being how tall the trees were. I thought that was a reference to "Tall Tree Town", which is in the Summer Isles.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2014, 04:08:18 PM: Id rather them be siblings than lovers. The idea of an unsullied falling in love does not really interest me as a story that takes up screen time.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 04, 2014, 09:17:06 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 04, 2014, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on May 04, 2014, 10:28:13 AM
Doubt it since they're both from different places.

Are they? Grey Worm said he was from The Summer Isles, and then Missandei said she doesn't remember much, with an exception being how tall the trees were. I thought that was a reference to "Tall Tree Town", which is in the Summer Isles.
She's suppose to be from Naath, an island to the west of the Summer Isles, more close to Sothoryos than the Isles.

By the way people, please meet this guy:

(https://i.imgur.com/SWxbUWt.png)

That's Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish, orchestrator of the War of the Five Kings!!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 05, 2014, 04:50:59 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 04, 2014, 10:28:13 AM
Per the books, she does have a brother who's an Unsullied, but it's not Grey Worm.
Yeah, there's no way they would conflate a few characters for the show.

Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2014, 04:08:18 PM
Id rather them be siblings than lovers. The idea of an unsullied falling in love does not really interest me as a story that takes up screen time.
I didn't think they were physically capable of being lovers.
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Post by: Podaar on May 05, 2014, 06:47:09 AM: I really enjoyed last night's episode. The water-dancer bit was brilliant and once again, Rory McCann stole the show!

I loved watching Cersei turn on the charm. I even found myself feeling some sympathy for her, she is rather charismatic and her speech about her eldest son was honest and touching. That should provide some nice contrast for when she goes all delusional-flaming-demon next time.

They've officially set things up for Dany to just hang-out in Meereen...just like in the books. Although, coming up there are some interesting lessons to be learned about ruling people. I hope the producers/directors can pull it off without boring the audience too much. I should have more faith in them.

Speaking of which; holy shit, did they do a great job with the Jon and Bran at Craster's Keep or what. Everything is back on course (kinda) and we got some cool retribution, action, dialog, Hodor/Bran possession, and Ghost. By the bye, it still really bothers me that the have Ghost growl and otherwise make noise. I think the audience is sophisticated and engaged enough in the story to go along with the idea of a silent dire wolf. I think it's much creepier to have him bare his slavering fangs in complete silence. *shudder*

[edit]Shrunk stuff, just to be safe[/edit]
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Post by: BlackInk on May 05, 2014, 11:33:48 AM: Damn. I always knew Littlefinger was more of a smart manipulative guy than we had probably seen, but holy shit he's behind everything?? I did not see that coming actually. He was always an interesting character before, but he's only getting better and better.

Everything else was awesome as usual. Bran warging with Hodor was really cool.

EDIT: Does that also mean that Petyr was the one who sent the assassin to kill Bran?
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Post by: Podaar on May 05, 2014, 01:00:26 PM: .
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Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2014, 02:34:05 PM: I think the TV show dropped the ball on that, the one behind the attempted stabbing of Bran was ....

Spoiler:

Joffrey. I dont recall why he did that, maybe because he didnt care for Bran and now that he was crippled I guess he just wanted him dead?

They didnt say it in the show and it had come up already by this point in the books. I dont know if the show is going to let the viewers know about that.

As for last night, the episode was a good set up of for whats the come. The scenes in the Eyrie were great. Very much how I thought it would play out and seeing Lysa go nuts was awesome. Cant wait to see how this plays out on the TV.

The Crasters keep stuff was fun. I liked the added storyline. Gave everyone something fun to do (for the viewers) and pretty much put everyone back on course bookwise.

I was really hoping for coldhands. Although he didnt show up earlier, I thought if he were to ever show up it would be during the attach on Crasters, but we didnt get him.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 05, 2014, 04:41:00 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 05, 2014, 02:34:05 PM
I think the TV show dropped the ball on that, the one behind the attempted stabbing of Bran was ....

Spoiler:

Joffrey. I dont recall why he did that, maybe because he didnt care for Bran and now that he was crippled I guess he just wanted him dead?
He overheard Robert telling Cersei(?) that keeping Bran alive is not a mercy and he, Robert, would put him out of his misery. So he sent the catspaw to try to get a pat on the head from his "father"
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2014, 04:10:47 PM: This is pretty friggin cool.....

https://www.buzzfeed.com/424hannah/game-of-thrones-theme-song-on-wine-glasses-pans-a-gho5
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Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2014, 05:27:19 PM: Very cool, that theme song is so awesome. My best bud have a violinist play it at his wedding for when he walked down the aisle and it was so bad ass. Especially since from standing at the top (I was in the bridal party) I could see the looks on everyone face when they either noticed what the music was or were wondering wtf is this?
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Post by: BlackInk on May 10, 2014, 04:11:26 AM: Good thing he didn't start playing the Rains of Castamere, people would've freaked.
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Post by: snapple on May 10, 2014, 05:05:00 AM: Hey Podaar. Stop. Fucking. Spoiling. Put that shit in small, unreadable text. It's really fucking annoying since this topic has been discussed in like, the last two pages.
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Post by: masterthes on May 12, 2014, 04:22:30 AM: Can we just give Peter Dinklage an Emmy now?! That man has been through the ringer this season
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2014, 06:28:17 AM: Great episode last night!

Also:

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/warsvsthrones_zps105214e0.gif)
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 12, 2014, 06:29:42 AM: Was it just me or did any of you thought Oberyn got the biggest boner when Tyrion demanded the trial by combat? :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2014, 06:30:36 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 12, 2014, 06:29:42 AM
Was it just me or did any of you thought Oberyn got the biggest boner when Tyrion demanded the trial by combat? :lol
Yes.
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Post by: Super Dude on May 12, 2014, 06:59:00 AM: Pretty much.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 12, 2014, 08:07:57 AM: Quote from: masterthes on May 12, 2014, 04:22:30 AM
Can we just give Peter Dinklage an Emmy now?! That man has been through the ringer this season
Amen to that! He's one of my favourite characters in the show which is a dumb thing to have btw. :lol
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2014, 08:32:06 AM: I can't stand Theon's story- it's straight up torture porn (last season physical, this season mental). Apart from that though, I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, particularly the trial. As for Oberyn and his boner- he has been a great addition thus far and I hope he plays a more prominent role moving forward. I particularly liked when he asked Shae if she 'fucked him like it was his last night…'
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Post by: Zydar on May 12, 2014, 08:44:23 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/rc6Z3QH.jpg)
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Post by: snapple on May 12, 2014, 09:07:46 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
I can't stand Theon's story- it's straight up torture porn (last season physical, this season mental). Apart from that though, I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, particularly the trial. As for Oberyn and his boner- he has been a great addition thus far and I hope he plays a more prominent role moving forward. I particularly liked when he asked Shae if she 'fucked him like it was his last night…'

It's a grim show
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2014, 09:24:43 AM: I liked the intro to Hizdar.

The trial played out well and Oberyn is great.

The scene with Yara and Theon didnt do much for me but finally getting some more ironborn shown.
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Post by: masterthes on May 12, 2014, 09:37:47 AM: Theon's certainly the poster child for Stockholm Syndrome
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2014, 09:40:42 AM: Quote from: snapple on May 12, 2014, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
I can't stand Theon's story- it's straight up torture porn (last season physical, this season mental). Apart from that though, I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, particularly the trial. As for Oberyn and his boner- he has been a great addition thus far and I hope he plays a more prominent role moving forward. I particularly liked when he asked Shae if she 'fucked him like it was his last night…'

It's a grim show

Yeah, but there's plenty of other grim, and far more interesting, material that they could be focusing on. That's my only complaint- it feels like wasted time.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2014, 09:51:10 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2014, 09:40:42 AM
Quote from: snapple on May 12, 2014, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
I can't stand Theon's story- it's straight up torture porn (last season physical, this season mental). Apart from that though, I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, particularly the trial. As for Oberyn and his boner- he has been a great addition thus far and I hope he plays a more prominent role moving forward. I particularly liked when he asked Shae if she 'fucked him like it was his last night…'

It's a grim show

Yeah, but there's plenty of other grim, and far more interesting, material that they could be focusing on. That's my only complaint- it feels like wasted time.

I think they are just doing this to keep Theon on TV as well as show how sick Ramsay is and also to build the Boltons up as serious bad guys. But otherwise I agree, everything with Theon since last season has been more filler for me.
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Post by: Podaar on May 12, 2014, 10:25:56 AM: Quote from: snapple on May 10, 2014, 05:05:00 AM
Hey Podaar. Stop. Fucking. Spoiling. Put that shit in small, unreadable text. It's really fucking annoying since this topic has been discussed in like, the last two pages.

Sure thing! Reading back through my post I'm not sure what I spoiled so I'll just need to be more careful I suppose.

Great episode last night! I'll just leave it right there...
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Post by: snapple on May 12, 2014, 12:18:42 PM: Quote from: Podaar on May 12, 2014, 10:25:56 AM
Quote from: snapple on May 10, 2014, 05:05:00 AM
Hey Podaar. Stop. Fucking. Spoiling. Put that shit in small, unreadable text. It's really fucking annoying since this topic has been discussed in like, the last two pages.

Sure thing! Reading back through my post I'm not sure what I spoiled so I'll just need to be more careful I suppose.

Great episode last night! I'll just leave it right there...

You said something like "which is exactly what happens in the books" in reference to future events.
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Post by: Evermind on May 12, 2014, 01:06:27 PM: Best episode of the season by far. The only stuff I didn't like is Yara-Theon-Reek-Ramsay thing. Felt a bit pointless after such a build-up.

Loved Oberyn and his "not-giving-a-fuck" attitude to everything from small council meeting to the trial. It's just like he's there to troll witnesses (and not only witnesses).

And of course the whole trial has been terrific. Much better than Joffrey's death in my book. Coster-Waldau, Dance and Dinklage performances were all top notch. Loved that immense Tyrion's speech at the end.

It's for those episodes I watch the show. In the last season that was Jaime's speech in the bath that did it for me, and for this season, Tyrion's "guilty-of-being-a-dwarf" speech is surely a contender.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 12, 2014, 02:05:25 PM: Great episode. Awesome to see Braavos and the Titan. I wonder if, since they even showed Braavos in the opening credits, we're going to spend more time there. It doesn't seem so, since they're now leaving again so quickly. But then it would be strange to show it in the credits.

Also, another question I have, how does Westeros or the world keep track of years? With the very pattern-less seasons, summers lasting nine years in this case, how do they tell those different nine years apart. I just read in the book that they count from Aegon's landing, but how?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2014, 02:18:00 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 12, 2014, 02:05:25 PM
Great episode. Awesome to see Braavos and the Titan. I wonder if, since they even showed Braavos in the opening credits, we're going to spend more time there. It doesn't seem so, since they're now leaving again so quickly. But then it would be strange to show it in the credits.

I was wondering myself how the opening credits would work. I was expecting to see the Eyrie again (havent seen it since S1). Also was hoping to maybe see Moat Cailin for Yara, but obviosuly they ended up at the Dreadfort so I guess maybe there is a possibility of Moat Cailin for the future since Ramsay is heading there. I wish they would stop showing Winterfell since no one is there, but I guess we can expect Winterfell to be in every opening sequence, as well as Kings Landing and The Wall.
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Post by: soundgarden on May 12, 2014, 06:24:19 PM: Just saw the episode; man well done Dinklage and Dance! I love the Tyrion-Tywin confrontations in this part of the books/shows.

Quote from: Evermind on May 12, 2014, 01:06:27 PM

Loved Oberyn and his "not-giving-a-fuck" attitude to everything from small council meeting to the trial. It's just like he's there to troll witnesses (and not only witnesses).

The omitted one joke of his. When Tywin asks if he killed Joffrey; after Tyrion says no Oberyn jumps in "well that settles it then"

Oberyn is a whole lot of awesome.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2014, 12:12:41 AM: Quote
I was recently delighted to discover that George R.R. Martin, the author of A Song of Ice and Fire, still writes all of his novels on a DOS computer running WordStar. Martin isn’t a complete technophobe—he maintains an active blog, much to the dismay of fans who might prefer that he spend all of his time on other projects—but remains faithful to what he calls “the Duesenberg of word processing software (very old, but unsurpassed).”

https://nevalalee.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/a-song-of-dos-and-wordstar/
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2014, 01:06:51 PM: I've never read the books so for you 'book readers' my postulations may be comical or bore you...but, I think it'd be interesting if now that Tyrion has envoked that right to battle that the council would nominate Oberyn to be the one he'd have to battle....then if he again gets to choose someone to take his place.....he picks Jamie (knowing that he's been training) and Jamie managed to beat Oberyn. That'd be pretty cool. It'd be a bummer because I'm kind of hoping for a cool battle between Oberyn and the Mountain.....but it'd be even cooler if an underdog Jamie would kill a battle tested warrior like Oberyn.

I feel bad for Theon. What a mind fu%k!!
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Post by: masterthes on May 13, 2014, 02:53:19 PM: Hasn't the Mountain gone rogue though?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2014, 03:03:38 PM: Quote from: masterthes on May 13, 2014, 02:53:19 PM
Hasn't the Mountain gone rogue though?

Isn't that the 'Hound' who has gone rogue? And, the Mountain was the guy who raped and killed Oberyn's sister....whom Tywin promised Oberyn he'd have his chance to get revenge against? The Mountain is the Hound's brother...right?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2014, 03:49:21 PM: I believe you could consider them both Rogue in some ways. The Hound is definitely rogue as he has said "fuck the king" a few times. The Mountain, a little different, we havent seen in in awhile and last we hear he is pillaging the riverlands I think. That was who Beric Dondarion was sent after in season 1, but we last saw him in Harrenhall with Tywin. I believe he went back to the riverlands (I read the books and watch the show, but I dont even remember exactly what he is doing). As far as I know, he is still loyal to the Lannisters though.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2014, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 13, 2014, 02:53:19 PM
Hasn't the Mountain gone rogue though?

Isn't that the 'Hound' who has gone rogue? And, the Mountain was the guy who raped and killed Oberyn's sister....whom Tywin promised Oberyn he'd have his chance to get revenge against? The Mountain is the Hound's brother...right?

Yes, Tywin said that and yes they are brothers. As for your theory, no comment since I dont want to spoil anything.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 13, 2014, 04:03:58 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2014, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 13, 2014, 02:53:19 PM
Hasn't the Mountain gone rogue though?

Isn't that the 'Hound' who has gone rogue? And, the Mountain was the guy who raped and killed Oberyn's sister....whom Tywin promised Oberyn he'd have his chance to get revenge against? The Mountain is the Hound's brother...right?

I think that this is all playing into Tywin's hands. He promised Oberyn a shot at the Mountain, and I think that's the matchup we get with this Trial by Combat. I think that Cearsi (the accuser) picks the Mountain because she wants to win so badly, and Tyrion counters with Oberyn, who's more than happy to oblige.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 13, 2014, 04:45:22 PM: The Hound is the one who's gone rogue, trekking around with Arya. The Mountain is still loyal to House Lannister.
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Post by: masterthes on May 14, 2014, 04:28:17 AM: Oh, okay. I thought the Mountain left too. Thanks for the clarification :)
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Post by: kári on May 14, 2014, 06:10:44 AM: Quote from: Zydar on May 12, 2014, 08:44:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rc6Z3QH.jpg)
I saw right away this had to be AWildSketchAppeared. I think I reddit too much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Accelerando on May 15, 2014, 06:35:35 PM: Quite possibly the only thing you need to see today :lol

*SPOILERALERT* especially if you have not seen this past episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHK6blDJaQ
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 15, 2014, 07:55:21 PM: :lol

Can't wait to see how they respond to that come Sunday!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2014, 07:55:33 PM: Quote from: Accelerando on May 15, 2014, 06:35:35 PM
Quite possibly the only thing you need to see today :lol

*SPOILERALERT* especially if you have not seen this past episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHK6blDJaQ

lol, I think that used footage from one of the behind the scenes previews of Tyrion and Jamie dancing during the shoot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 18, 2014, 07:58:09 PM: Little Finger is quite the son of a bitch.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 18, 2014, 10:24:23 PM: As much as I don't like that character, I can't help but respect the genius mastermind that he is.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2014, 04:47:28 AM: Awesome episode.
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Post by: snapple on May 19, 2014, 05:47:06 AM: CAN'T
WAIT
FOR
NEXT
EPISODE
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 19, 2014, 06:50:30 AM: Quote from: snapple on May 19, 2014, 05:47:06 AM
CAN'T
WAIT
FOR
NEXT
EPISODE
(https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FW9JzplM.gif&key=PbMdSdc81Mgb3l443LQZlw&w=480&h=264.14)

GET HYPE

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Post by: abydos on May 19, 2014, 06:51:52 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 18, 2014, 07:58:09 PM
Little Finger is quite the son of a bitch.
He was one of my favourite characters when I was reading the books (1-3). Glad he's just as badass here.
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Post by: snapple on May 19, 2014, 06:52:28 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/OcArmy1.gif)
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Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2014, 08:50:04 AM: Two weeks till next episode? BOOO, this season has been amazing so far. Sure I know whats going to happen, but the shows done a very good job. Theres so much going on in every episode.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 19, 2014, 09:33:25 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 19, 2014, 06:50:30 AM
Quote from: snapple on May 19, 2014, 05:47:06 AM
CAN'T
WAIT
FOR
NEXT
EPISODE
(https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FW9JzplM.gif&key=PbMdSdc81Mgb3l443LQZlw&w=480&h=264.14)

GET HYPE

(https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.yes.co.il%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2Folberin.gif&key=yKs6a-K7rtQ4RIWV8OkqmQ&w=480&h=272.6)
That was the best moment in the episode!! :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2014, 09:35:49 AM: I dont know, the moon door ending was also pretty amazing. Although the "I will be your champion" was pretty awesome. I kind of wish I didnt read the books so I could be surprised now. But even knowing whats going to happen I was sitting in bed doing like a fist pump.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2014, 09:43:11 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 19, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
I was sitting in bed doing like a fist pump.
TMI, dude.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2014, 10:01:02 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2014, 09:43:11 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 19, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
I was sitting in bed doing like a fist pump.
TMI, dude.

:lol i cant help myself, Oberyn is just that awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 19, 2014, 03:27:43 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2014, 09:43:11 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 19, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
I was sitting in bed doing like a fist pump.
TMI, dude.
:rollin

But yeah, very good episode. This season has had some great moments, and that scene between Tyrion and Oberyn was definitely one of them!
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Post by: masterthes on May 20, 2014, 04:15:08 AM: Why two weeks?!
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 20, 2014, 06:19:16 AM: Holiday weekend
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2014, 07:56:21 AM: Arya is the sweetest little cold blooded killer :lol She is vicious, by the time she reunites with Sansa or her brothers (if she ever does?) they won't even know who she is. That storyline between her and the hound is quite great.

Like everyone else I Loved the Oberyn/Tyrion scene. Next to Tyrion, Oberyn may be the only honest, sincere character on the show.

Little finger is an evil man. Plain and simple. Talk about issues from being bullied as a kid. Forget shooting up your school...he's just going to Ruin everyone's life, without them knowing he did it.

As much as I love the character of Daneryus it's starting to hire me a bit. I'm guessing she's not going to have much to do on the show if she's staying put and learning how to rule.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2014, 09:34:54 AM: pretty upset at myself at the moment...was reading an article online that was nowhere near as diligent about announcing spoilers as the majority of you who've read the book in this thread are.....I read a little too much and next thing I know I couldn't stop myself :rant:

Oh well....I'll just trust that the show will continue to do the killer job it's been doing and keep enjoying the ride.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2014, 09:44:01 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2014, 09:34:54 AM
pretty upset at myself at the moment...was reading an article online that was nowhere near as diligent about announcing spoilers as the majority of you who've read the book in this thread are.....I read a little too much and next thing I know I couldn't stop myself :rant:

Oh well....I'll just trust that the show will continue to do the killer job it's been doing and keep enjoying the ride.....

That sucks that you got spoiled in that way. There is still a lot to happen this season so hopefully it didnt spoil everything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on May 20, 2014, 09:48:57 AM: Yea avoid all GoT articles till end of season. A few insane things are about to happen.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2014, 09:51:17 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 20, 2014, 09:44:01 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2014, 09:34:54 AM
pretty upset at myself at the moment...was reading an article online that was nowhere near as diligent about announcing spoilers as the majority of you who've read the book in this thread are.....I read a little too much and next thing I know I couldn't stop myself :rant:

Oh well....I'll just trust that the show will continue to do the killer job it's been doing and keep enjoying the ride.....

That sucks that you got spoiled in that way. There is still a lot to happen this season so hopefully it didnt spoil everything.

Yeah, it really was my fault. Even after I realized I was reading 'spoilers'....it was just a comparison from the show to the Books.....I continued on for a paragraph or so. It was like telling yourself not to slow down and look at the car accident....just keep driving, but inevitably looking over anyway. It wasn't too much informaion.....just enough to support the underlying theme of the show as I see it and that is that there are no happy endings for any of these storylines :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2014, 10:38:59 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
Little finger is an evil man. Plain and simple.
Perhaps, but he is awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on May 20, 2014, 10:42:32 AM: Evil is a very strong word for him, I think.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 20, 2014, 11:02:07 AM: I read ahead one chapter in the books, I have renewed faith in episode 9.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2014, 11:16:11 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2014, 10:38:59 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
Little finger is an evil man. Plain and simple.
Perhaps, but he is awesome.

Yeah, I forgot to add that. Very cool character!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2014, 11:40:56 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2014, 11:02:07 AM
I read ahead one chapter in the books, I have renewed faith in episode 9.

How could you not have faith in episode 9? Its historically the most insane episode of the season.

Quote from: abydos on May 20, 2014, 10:42:32 AM
Evil is a very strong word for him, I think.

I think it fits him fairly well. I guess if you do the things you do for love then maybe its not really evil, but considering the things he did for love... yea its pretty evil.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 20, 2014, 02:31:05 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 20, 2014, 11:40:56 AM
How could you not have faith in episode 9? Its historically the most insane episode of the season.

Yeah I know, but at first I only thought this episode 9 would only be the Magnar and Ygritte and that gang's attack on the wall, and I didn't think that would be enough for the "big battle" they've promised us in previews and stuff. But then when I got to the chapter where Mance first reaches the wall I understood that that's probably going to be the big thing. That should be really epic.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2014, 02:54:09 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 20, 2014, 11:40:56 AM
How could you not have faith in episode 9? Its historically the most insane episode of the season.

Yeah I know, but at first I only thought this episode 9 would only be the Magnar and Ygritte and that gang's attack on the wall, and I didn't think that would be enough for the "big battle" they've promised us in previews and stuff. But then when I got to the chapter where Mance first reaches the wall I understood that that's probably going to be the big thing. That should be really epic.

Actually, the producers said there wouldn't be a signature "Episode 9" moment, that the episodes would be more consistent this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2014, 03:21:48 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 20, 2014, 11:40:56 AM
How could you not have faith in episode 9? Its historically the most insane episode of the season.

Yeah I know, but at first I only thought this episode 9 would only be the Magnar and Ygritte and that gang's attack on the wall, and I didn't think that would be enough for the "big battle" they've promised us in previews and stuff. But then when I got to the chapter where Mance first reaches the wall I understood that that's probably going to be the big thing. That should be really epic.

Actually, the producers said there wouldn't be a signature "Episode 9" moment, that the episodes would be more consistent this season.

Even a TV spoiler:

I am pretty sure episode 9 is entirely at the wall and will be the battle against the wildlings from both sides of the wall, to me thats a pretty signature "Episode 9" moment, just like in season 2 it as entirely at Kings Landing for the Battle at Blackwater Bay. Then again, I havent seen the episode so maybe it wont be, but from what I read, I can sleep comfortably knowing this episode 9 will be amazing
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on May 20, 2014, 04:12:22 PM: Hey guys, wanna see something incredible? From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(season_4)#Ratings

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/e5c37301b3ee0e0918589e89a9c2f71d.png)

Those numbers on the Y-axis are viewers in the millions. Red is season 1, green is season 2, blue is season 3, and purple is season 4. This hype-train just ain't slowin' down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2014, 04:35:08 PM: I used that to try and convince my fiance to watch the show. She refuses to watch it (from what I believe is all of the nudity) but I told her yesterday, "What show can claim thier fourth season ratings continue to grow?" Im sure there are some examples, but its amazing that a show on a pay channel can grow like that every season, especially a show that you cant really just start watching out of no where.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on May 22, 2014, 09:07:35 AM: And because this is a premium channel, although obviously Nielsen can't count the pirated views, I'm sure those add at least another million to the total count. Or people like myself, who use their parents' premium account to access it from elsewhere (what copyright calls time-shifting).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 22, 2014, 09:23:59 AM: If piracy of an episode within 24 hours was added and the rest of the world included, it would probably tripple the numbers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on May 22, 2014, 11:56:20 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 22, 2014, 09:23:59 AM
If piracy of an episode within 24 hours was added and the rest of the world included, it would probably tripple the numbers.

Which boggles my mind why HBO doesn't to sell a stream on their website or something. I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks for each episode. They make it SOOO HARD for non TV viewers and non-HBO subscribers to watch their programming....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on May 22, 2014, 12:08:22 PM: I think it has something to do with the FCC classifying it as a "cable company."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2014, 12:11:50 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on May 22, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 22, 2014, 09:23:59 AM
If piracy of an episode within 24 hours was added and the rest of the world included, it would probably tripple the numbers.

Which boggles my mind why HBO doesn't to sell a stream on their website or something. I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks for each episode. They make it SOOO HARD for non TV viewers and non-HBO subscribers to watch their programming....
We basically have that in the UK. It airs on Sky Atlantic here, and I subsribe to NowTV which is basically Sky's online platform with digital versions of 10 channels and loads of catch up. That's how I watch GoT, among other shows.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2014, 12:43:44 PM: I have found other means in the past... but I travel a lot now so i subscribe to HBO now and make use of HBOGO. I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2014, 04:56:15 AM: Quote from: soundgarden on May 22, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 22, 2014, 09:23:59 AM
If piracy of an episode within 24 hours was added and the rest of the world included, it would probably tripple the numbers.

Which boggles my mind why HBO doesn't to sell a stream on their website or something. I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks for each episode. They make it SOOO HARD for non TV viewers and non-HBO subscribers to watch their programming....
They are probably afraid that something like that would lead to a reduction in their subscriber base. I have HBO, but honestly it's mostly for their shows and HBO GO. I hardly ever just tune in to one of the HBO channels, but I can, because I'm a subscriber.

If I had a way to watch their shows only, at a cheaper rate than my subscription, I would take it. And so would a lot of their other customers, I would wager. Which would be bad business.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: snapple on May 23, 2014, 05:00:19 AM: I end up downloading the episodes even though I have HBOGO. For some reason it just doesn't stream very well. I hope they can improve the software.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2014, 01:38:23 PM: Quote from: snapple on May 23, 2014, 05:00:19 AM
I end up downloading the episodes even though I have HBOGO. For some reason it just doesn't stream very well. I hope they can improve the software.

The only time I've ever had issues with the streaming are when this show is immediately available.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2014, 04:22:04 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 23, 2014, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: snapple on May 23, 2014, 05:00:19 AM
I end up downloading the episodes even though I have HBOGO. For some reason it just doesn't stream very well. I hope they can improve the software.

The only time I've ever had issues with the streaming are when this show is immediately available.
Yeah, and I've never understood that. The thing I don't understand is why are so many HBO subscribers trying to watch it on a tablet or phone when they could just watch it on their TV?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Super Dude on May 24, 2014, 05:06:51 AM: It's a copyright law thing, actually (the streaming issue). I can't remember the text of the actual code provision, but it has something to do with a transmission not being an infringement only if there's a delay from the copyright owner's actual broadcast.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: snapple on May 24, 2014, 06:06:08 AM: Its her parent's cable account. We chip in a little bit (something like ~5 a month) and they let us use their HBOGO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2014, 06:28:19 AM: Quote from: snapple on May 24, 2014, 06:06:08 AM
Its her parent's cable account. We chip in a little bit (something like ~5 a month) and they let us use their HBOGO.
On an individual basis like yours, that's understandable. But there were all kinds of problems with people watching this season's first episode on debut night on HBOGO, and I was just thinking, why are that many people watching a debut episode on HBOGO instead of just tuning in to HBO itself? Then there wouldn't be this traffic problem.
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Post by: snapple on May 24, 2014, 06:44:34 AM: Yeah I'm not sure. I've also read that D&D dont care so much about piracy. They later had to go back and take that back (obviously).

Maybe lots of people weren't home?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 24, 2014, 09:43:51 AM: I know for me I travel for work a lot so I have to watch it on hbogo if im away. Theres no reason to watch it on stream when I am home and I dont know why anyone would do that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tom Bombadil on May 25, 2014, 09:55:34 PM: Started this show 2 weeks ago and already caught up. It's pretty amazing. Already one of my favorite shows.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 25, 2014, 09:59:09 PM: Quote from: Tom Bombadil on May 25, 2014, 09:55:34 PM
Started this show 3 days ago and already caught up. It's pretty amazing. Already one of my favourite shows.

FTFM. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 25, 2014, 10:58:52 PM: Holy shit dude!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: snapple on May 26, 2014, 05:44:10 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 25, 2014, 10:58:52 PM
Holy shit dude!

Wait, did the episode show last night?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 26, 2014, 05:51:02 AM: No, next week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 26, 2014, 07:42:01 AM: That was in response to sneakyblueberry watching 37 episodes in 3 days.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 26, 2014, 05:10:24 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 26, 2014, 07:42:01 AM
That was in response to sneakyblueberry watching 37 episodes in 3 days.

Thank God my wife is into it. After several attempts to get her into Breaking Bad, I'm glad this stuck. It might be all the floppy weens I dunno.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 01, 2014, 08:19:21 PM: This f'n show. My mind is blown.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tom Bombadil on June 01, 2014, 09:32:52 PM: Yeah that was an awesome episode. Arya's laugh was hysterical.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on June 01, 2014, 09:38:56 PM: Well, that went as I expected. Saw it coming but it still - damn!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:12:56 PM: Quote from: abydos on June 01, 2014, 09:38:56 PM
Well, that went as I expected. Saw it coming but it still - damn!

Yeah, you could definitely sense it coming.....Wow! If Oberyn had only just killed the guy...

I suspect that the mountain dies from his wounds...I mean, there's no way they're killing off Tyrion.

Quote from: Tom Bombadil on June 01, 2014, 09:32:52 PM
Yeah that was an awesome episode. Arya's laugh was hysterical.

Arya's laugh was great :lol

Are Sansa and Little Finger gonna be the new power couple? She's workin' it now....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:22:21 PM: This is the first time this show has ever "disappointed" me in the sense of, couldn't they just let Oberyn get the 'revenge' he deserved? I mean, I'm assuming and guessing the mountain is going to die anyway which will allow some sort of loophole law for Tyrion to live...but man, can't one character just catch a friggin' break? You gotta pop the guys head like a zit? Man....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 01, 2014, 10:23:34 PM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 01, 2014, 08:19:21 PM
This f'n show. My mind is blown.
I see what you did there!

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:12:56 PM
I suspect that the mountain dies from his wounds...I mean, there's no way they're killing off Tyrion.
He's already been sentenced, the Mountain living or dying has no bearing on that. Also, after 3 seasons of the show, haven't we learned that there should never be a "there's no way this or that is dying" talk. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:29:18 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 01, 2014, 10:23:34 PM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 01, 2014, 08:19:21 PM
This f'n show. My mind is blown.
I see what you did there!

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:12:56 PM
I suspect that the mountain dies from his wounds...I mean, there's no way they're killing off Tyrion.
He's already been sentenced, the Mountain living or dying has no bearing on that. Also, after 3 seasons of the show, haven't we learned that there should never be a "there's no way this or that is dying" talk. :lol

Point taken. I guess I should say, if Tyrion dies...we riot.... :lol

But it'd be silly to me to kill off the single character that kind of holds the whole show together. He steals every scene he's in....anyway. I guess I could hope.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 01, 2014, 10:38:34 PM: Holy shit I don't know how to feel
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:43:20 PM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 01, 2014, 10:38:34 PM
Holy shit I don't know how to feel

I'm actually a little bummed out. I liked Oberyn and the whole 'story' of why he was there. To go out like that was just a huge F-U. I guess that'll fire Oberyn's family up? anyway, It's depressing that there can't be one little slither of 'justice' on the show. Martin must have some serious issues....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tom Bombadil on June 01, 2014, 10:48:51 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
But it'd be silly to me to kill off the single character that kind of holds the whole show together. He steals every scene he's in....anyway. I guess I could hope.
Yeah the more I think about the more I realize how much less interesting the show would be without Tyrion. I hope he somehow manages to live.
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Post by: TioJorge on June 01, 2014, 10:55:00 PM: I'm on the opposite end, this is the first time that, as an avid reader of the books, I actually loved this episode. Don't get me wrong, the show is great at times, and it's had it's moments, but this is the first full episode where I was enthralled through and through. I don't expect to get into the series anymore than I am because of it, and I know it's probably a one-off for me, but the whole tone and feel of the episode was fantastic. I especially loved Arya and her 'becoming'; she is the embodiment of tenacity in the human species, I fuckin' love her character in the books and finally she's starting to get there in the show.

Wonderful episode; moved a lot of pieces towards forwarding the overarching plot.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 01, 2014, 11:12:35 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:43:20 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 01, 2014, 10:38:34 PM
Holy shit I don't know how to feel

I'm actually a little bummed out. I liked Oberyn and the whole 'story' of why he was there. To go out like that was just a huge F-U. I guess that'll fire Oberyn's family up? anyway, It's depressing that there can't be one little slither of 'justice' on the show. Martin must have some serious issues....
Well, if you want justice, you've come to the wrong place. ;)

I was really looking forward to this episode and they really delivered. Probably one of the stronger episodes this season with significant things happening in near every storyline and without it feeling too cramped. Although, during the neverending beetle conversation, I kept checking the time to see if they were in fact going to have 'that scene' in this episode.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 02, 2014, 02:58:14 AM: Really good episode. I liked the Bolton scene with Roose and Ramsay standing on the hill with the crazy wind (winds of winter?) Talking about how the north is theres. Those are some real bad guys that I hope they get thier justice one day. Oberyn was great while he was alive and died in a gruesome way. Very awesome. Arya laughing was great, I dont velieve that was in the books but I nice addition so it just continues with they things work out for her.
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Post by: masterthes on June 02, 2014, 03:39:01 AM: And I guess the guards didn't know her sister was there

Man, what an episode! I still think season 1 is the best them, but this season is right after. And yeah, I don't think it makes a difference whether the Mountain dies or not, because Oberyon died first, but we'll have to wait and see. Oh, and it was nice seeing that girl's goodies. Too bad we couldn't see everything, but maybe that will come later
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2014, 05:00:35 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
But it'd be silly to me to kill off the single character that kind of holds the whole show together. He steals every scene he's in....
Well, that's probably what a lot of people were thinking about Ned Stark in season 1.
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Post by: snapple on June 02, 2014, 06:03:56 AM: I don't know. Maybe Jaime tries to bust Tyrion out? Or maybe our favorite midget is going to die :(
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Post by: masterthes on June 02, 2014, 07:39:26 AM: Shame we might have to wait two weeks. Looks like next week might be all about the battle on the Wall
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 02, 2014, 08:56:27 AM: Anybody have any thoughts on this developing Missandei/Grey Worm thing?

I don't know what to think, the constant talk of his pre-cut days makes me think that maybe show Missandei and Grey Worm are related, while the "budding romance" goes against everything we've learned about the Unsullied. The whole advantage of having them is that they fear nothing, feel nothing, would die on command and live to serve!
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Post by: BlackInk on June 02, 2014, 10:15:00 AM: Holy shit. I'm expecting full on war with Dorne next season.

This episode was pretty fantastic all the way through. I was surprisingly excited about Sansa's initiation as a player in the game of thrones.
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Post by: Zydar on June 02, 2014, 10:18:21 AM: I just watched it, and holy hell what an episode! Looks like Tyrion is done for, unless something very unexpected happens.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2014, 10:36:39 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 02, 2014, 10:15:00 AM
Holy shit. I'm expecting full on war with Dorne next season.

This episode was pretty fantastic all the way through. I was surprisingly excited about Sansa's initiation as a player in the game of thrones.

Yeah, it finally clicked with her. It was funny when Little Finger said "you don't know what I want" and she smirked. She knows full well he wants her and she's gonna use that to her advantage I suppose.

From what I've read Oberyn apparently has some daughters that are just as vicious as he was....so that'll be neat to see play out. Revenge all around!

I still don't think Tyrion will be put to death. Something will happen. He's to cunning. It may be something as simple as his nephew pardoning him. They made a big deal out of how 'soft' he is. He may just spare his Uncle.
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Post by: abydos on June 02, 2014, 10:43:55 AM: I was surprised by that too. This is also the first time I didn't want someone to jump out and stab Sansa in the neck. Her becoming a manipulative bitch kind of suits her.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 02, 2014, 12:10:14 PM: Yea it's settled, this is the best show i've ever seen!

Oberyns victory:
(https://img.pandawhale.com/96231-wind-blowing-Nicolas-Cage-hair-GPA9.gif)

and then
(https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Johnny-Depp-Shock.gif)

followed by
(https://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/tumblr_maq77ecMHG1qejf6u.gif)

Pure emotions!!

I also loved the scene with Tyrion and Jaime in the cell. I love Peter Dinklage as Tyrion and I don't wanna see that character go but for the sake of keeping the tension of the show i'm willing to let him go. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on June 02, 2014, 12:13:01 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 02, 2014, 08:56:27 AM
Anybody have any thoughts on this developing Missandei/Grey Worm thing?

I don't know what to think, the constant talk of his pre-cut days makes me think that maybe show Missandei and Grey Worm are related, while the "budding romance" goes against everything we've learned about the Unsullied. The whole advantage of having them is that they fear nothing, feel nothing, would die on command and live to serve!

Im not a fan of it. I mean, Missandei looked fine and all, but I agree with you. Its kind of taking away from what the Unsullied really are, plus its a storyline thats really just takes away from the other characters I care about.
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Post by: Evermind on June 02, 2014, 12:20:45 PM: That Arya laugh totally made me :lol :lol :lol

:rollin
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Post by: Accelerando on June 02, 2014, 01:58:55 PM: The Mountain = Cousin Olsen. Oberyn = beetle.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2014, 02:01:39 PM: Quote from: Accelerando on June 02, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
The Mountain = Cousin Olsen. Oberyn = beetle.

Nah......

Tywin = Cousin Olsen Everyone Else = Beetles

The answer....because He can
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 02, 2014, 02:06:25 PM: kung kung kung
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Post by: cramx3 on June 02, 2014, 02:08:38 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2014, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: Accelerando on June 02, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
The Mountain = Cousin Olsen. Oberyn = beetle.

Nah......

Tywin = Cousin Olsen Everyone Else = Beetles

The answer....because He can

Or

Mad King = Cousin Olsen Everyone Else = Beetles
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Post by: Heretic on June 02, 2014, 02:26:14 PM: No guys, it's obvious. George R. R. Martin is Cousin Olsen. Everyone in the books are his beetles.
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Post by: ariich on June 02, 2014, 04:16:34 PM: Quote from: Heretic on June 02, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
No guys, it's obvious. George R. R. Martin is Cousin Olsen. Everyone are his beetles.
Fixed.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 02, 2014, 08:18:53 PM: (double)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soundgarden on June 02, 2014, 08:20:50 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2014, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on June 02, 2014, 10:15:00 AM
Holy shit. I'm expecting full on war with Dorne next season.

This episode was pretty fantastic all the way through. I was surprisingly excited about Sansa's initiation as a player in the game of thrones.

From what I've read Oberyn apparently has some daughters that are just as vicious as he was....so that'll be neat to see play out. Revenge all around!

Not a big spoiler, but yes. Oberyn's death was important for the various people in Dorne, including his awesome daughters. Its more complicated than simple revenge though; as you will see. I suppose GRRM wanted to introduce the Martells with a bang (or crunch rather). Don't read on too much; didnt you spoil yourself with this fight already? lol

EDIT...Folks there is one more BIG thing that happens this season; careful what you read and where you go; I personally think its bigger than Oberyn/Mountain fight.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2014, 09:33:14 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on June 02, 2014, 08:20:50 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2014, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on June 02, 2014, 10:15:00 AM
Holy shit. I'm expecting full on war with Dorne next season.

This episode was pretty fantastic all the way through. I was surprisingly excited about Sansa's initiation as a player in the game of thrones.

From what I've read Oberyn apparently has some daughters that are just as vicious as he was....so that'll be neat to see play out. Revenge all around!

Not a big spoiler, but yes. Oberyn's death was important for the various people in Dorne, including his awesome daughters. Its more complicated than simple revenge though; as you will see. I suppose GRRM wanted to introduce the Martells with a bang (or crunch rather). Don't read on too much; didnt you spoil yourself with this fight already? lol

EDIT...Folks there is one more BIG thing that happens this season; careful what you read and where you go; I personally think its bigger than Oberyn/Mountain fight.

Yeah I'm done reading stuff. I read about the daughters in the same article that really only said Oberyn was a cool character and it was too bad he isn't "long for this world". I had hoped that perhaps he defeated the mountain and got his revenge and then Tywin just had him shit dead by archers or something.

Anyway, at least it's good to know that there is a whole new bad a$$ family out there waiting to be introduced.
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Post by: ariich on June 03, 2014, 12:34:59 AM: Dunno if I'm the only one, but I thought he episode was a bit of a let down after all the hype. I mean, yes it was very shocking, so fun event televsion for sure. But the level of gruesomeness was just so over the top as to be quite silly, which I thought was pretty out of character for the show. I also found the events pretty meh from a story perspective, and am getting a bit bored of all the good characters getting killed off.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 03, 2014, 06:00:36 AM: Quote from: ariich on June 03, 2014, 12:34:59 AM
Dunno if I'm the only one, but I thought he episode was a bit of a let down after all the hype. I mean, yes it was very shocking, so fun event televsion for sure. But the level of gruesomeness was just so over the top as to be quite silly, which I thought was pretty out of character for the show. I also found the events pretty meh from a story perspective, and am getting a bit bored of all the good characters getting killed off.

The head popping was gruesome. I had an issue falling asleep. Just flat out brutal.

Although the happenings of the episode were tame, they were significant I thought. Sansa is now entering the Frey as a person to be reckoned with...(I forgot his name) but the dude Daenaryus kicked out, to me that seemed kind of fishy and I almost believe it was a set up so that he could go spy for her.

I might be the only one who finds the entire 'Wall' arc of the show completely boring. Don't care about wildlings or white walkers or whatever. I like John Snows character and it seems like he's being wasted up there with that.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 03, 2014, 08:30:23 AM: Quote from: ariich on June 03, 2014, 12:34:59 AM
Dunno if I'm the only one, but I thought he episode was a bit of a let down after all the hype. I mean, yes it was very shocking, so fun event televsion for sure. But the level of gruesomeness was just so over the top as to be quite silly, which I thought was pretty out of character for the show. I also found the events pretty meh from a story perspective, and am getting a bit bored of all the good characters getting killed off.
Game of Thrones had always been ridiculously over the top and gratuitous when it comes to violence, gore, and boobies. While Oberyn's death was on the higher level of gore I think it was less over the top than that soldier getting the top of his head cut off in Blackwater. At least Oberyn's death served a story purpose.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2014, 08:50:39 AM: Oberyns death was also very spot on from the how it happened in the books so the show was really just following the book which isnt always the case.

Quote from: soundgarden on June 02, 2014, 08:20:50 PM
EDIT...Folks there is one more BIG thing that happens this season; careful what you read and where you go; I personally think its bigger than Oberyn/Mountain fight.

I believe there are a few more big events that are to happen. This season has been full of big events and the last two episodes will continue that pattern.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 03, 2014, 06:00:36 AM
I might be the only one who finds the entire 'Wall' arc of the show completely boring. Don't care about wildlings or white walkers or whatever. I like John Snows character and it seems like he's being wasted up there with that.

Hopefully after this week and then on forward you have more interest in the Wall.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2014, 12:28:46 PM: I didn't enjoy this episode, and I might even need to take a break from GoT for a while. It's just a never ending carousel of awesome characters who make an appearance, win over fans, and then die in some brutal way. Oberyn may have been minor (although I'm sure there will be larger repercussions once Dorne hears what happened), but it was still a major disappointment for me to see him go like that. It's sadistic the way they're playing with my emotions like this, and it's pushing me into a state of noncompliance.

With all that being said, I do not believe Tyrion is going to die. No way no how. The same way I don't believe John Snow, Arya, Danaerys, or Bran will die. Those are, in my opinion, the 5 most indispensable characters in the show, for a number of reasons, and I would be absolutely shocked if any of them die (maybe in the very, very end, but not this early in the story). There are still unanswered questions for John. Arya and Bran are still early in their arcs. Danaerys has dragons and she's going to be around when they come into play. and Tyrion is Tyrion. I'm convinced that he's going to outlive all of the major Lannister characters. It's his destiny.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 03, 2014, 06:00:36 AM
Quote from: ariich on June 03, 2014, 12:34:59 AM
Dunno if I'm the only one, but I thought he episode was a bit of a let down after all the hype. I mean, yes it was very shocking, so fun event televsion for sure. But the level of gruesomeness was just so over the top as to be quite silly, which I thought was pretty out of character for the show. I also found the events pretty meh from a story perspective, and am getting a bit bored of all the good characters getting killed off.

The head popping was gruesome. I had an issue falling asleep. Just flat out brutal.

Although the happenings of the episode were tame, they were significant I thought. Sansa is now entering the Frey as a person to be reckoned with...(I forgot his name) but the dude Daenaryus kicked out, to me that seemed kind of fishy and I almost believe it was a set up so that he could go spy for her.

I might be the only one who finds the entire 'Wall' arc of the show completely boring. Don't care about wildlings or white walkers or whatever. I like John Snows character and it seems like he's being wasted up there with that.

I get what you're saying, and I too find the wall scenes a little boring at times, but it's a necessary reminder of the ultimate conflict that all of this is building up towards and so I'm okay with it.
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Post by: ariich on June 03, 2014, 03:30:37 PM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
I didn't enjoy this episode, and I might even need to take a break from GoT for a while. It's just a never ending carousel of awesome characters who make an appearance, win over fans, and then die in some brutal way. Oberyn may have been minor (although I'm sure there will be larger repercussions once Dorne hears what happened), but it was still a major disappointment for me to see him go like that. It's sadistic the way they're playing with my emotions like this, and it's pushing me into a state of noncompliance.
I reached this point in season 3. I know GRRM does all this because he wants to make us think that nobody is safe and always fear for our favourite characters etc., but all it's done to me is mean that I don't really care about any of the characters, because they're only going to die soon anyway so why bother. So it's not particularly that I thought Oberyn was worthy and wanted him to get his revenge or anything, I just liked watching him because he was witty and entertaining, and now won't be in the show anymore.

I was getting back into it in season 4 because there was some really good tension building, but this week's episode reminded me of the thing that annoys me about it. Still, there was SOME good stuff - the Hound and Arya were still awesome, and Sansa has suddenly become quite badass.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2014, 04:05:18 PM: True- Arya is always a highlight for me. I worry about Sansa though… While they seem to be setting her up as a potential power, I'm not sure she's intelligent enough to avoid being used for Little Finger's schemes. And if she is, she hasn't really proved it to me thus far. It would be cool though, if she could eventually foil him and win the freedom that has been eluding her for so long.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 03, 2014, 08:25:32 PM: What they seem to be setting her up towards is learning to be cunning and manipulative like Littlefinger. Much as he is a bastard, that's just the sort of mentoring she needs. She doesn't need freedom to be given to her so much as earned.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 03, 2014, 08:48:03 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 03, 2014, 08:25:32 PM
What they seem to be setting her up towards is learning to be cunning and manipulative like Littlefinger. Much as he is a bastard, that's just the sort of mentoring she needs. She doesn't need freedom to be given to her so much as earned.

Exactly. It may develop into a Master/Apprentice type situation, perhaps ultimately ending with Sansa becoming more cunning and deceiving than Little Finger is?
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Post by: Super Dude on June 03, 2014, 09:27:11 PM: And (I hope) retaking the North. After all, Robert Arryn would make a great puppet king.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on June 03, 2014, 09:36:54 PM: Quote from: ariich on June 03, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
I didn't enjoy this episode, and I might even need to take a break from GoT for a while. It's just a never ending carousel of awesome characters who make an appearance, win over fans, and then die in some brutal way. Oberyn may have been minor (although I'm sure there will be larger repercussions once Dorne hears what happened), but it was still a major disappointment for me to see him go like that. It's sadistic the way they're playing with my emotions like this, and it's pushing me into a state of noncompliance.
I reached this point in season 3. I know GRRM does all this because he wants to make us think that nobody is safe and always fear for our favourite characters etc., but all it's done to me is mean that I don't really care about any of the characters, because they're only going to die soon anyway so why bother. So it's not particularly that I thought Oberyn was worthy and wanted him to get his revenge or anything, I just liked watching him because he was witty and entertaining, and now won't be in the show anymore.

Well put. I number of characters whose scenes I look forward to seems to dwindle with each week. Even Danaerys hasn't really done anything for awhile.
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Post by: ariich on June 04, 2014, 12:47:08 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 03, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
Quote from: ariich on June 03, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
I didn't enjoy this episode, and I might even need to take a break from GoT for a while. It's just a never ending carousel of awesome characters who make an appearance, win over fans, and then die in some brutal way. Oberyn may have been minor (although I'm sure there will be larger repercussions once Dorne hears what happened), but it was still a major disappointment for me to see him go like that. It's sadistic the way they're playing with my emotions like this, and it's pushing me into a state of noncompliance.
I reached this point in season 3. I know GRRM does all this because he wants to make us think that nobody is safe and always fear for our favourite characters etc., but all it's done to me is mean that I don't really care about any of the characters, because they're only going to die soon anyway so why bother. So it's not particularly that I thought Oberyn was worthy and wanted him to get his revenge or anything, I just liked watching him because he was witty and entertaining, and now won't be in the show anymore.

Well put. I number of characters whose scenes I look forward to seems to dwindle with each week. Even Danaerys hasn't really done anything for awhile.
Agreed, I've found her fairly boring for the last season and a half.
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Post by: snapple on June 04, 2014, 05:56:24 AM: thank god she hasn't done anything. We need more STANNIS!

(https://i.imgur.com/x2A1BhD.gif)
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 04, 2014, 06:00:49 AM: I'm not a Stannis fan. He sold his soul to the lord of light and started burning his people alive. On top of that, Hodor has more charisma in a single finger than Stannis.
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Post by: snapple on June 04, 2014, 06:03:39 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 04, 2014, 06:00:49 AM
I'm not a Stannis fan. He sold his soul to the lord of light and started burning his people alive. On top of that, Hodor has more charisma in a single finger than Stannis.

Then you are just another soul to offer to the Lord of Light!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 07:07:45 AM: Quote from: ariich on June 04, 2014, 12:47:08 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 03, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
Quote from: ariich on June 03, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
I didn't enjoy this episode, and I might even need to take a break from GoT for a while. It's just a never ending carousel of awesome characters who make an appearance, win over fans, and then die in some brutal way. Oberyn may have been minor (although I'm sure there will be larger repercussions once Dorne hears what happened), but it was still a major disappointment for me to see him go like that. It's sadistic the way they're playing with my emotions like this, and it's pushing me into a state of noncompliance.
I reached this point in season 3. I know GRRM does all this because he wants to make us think that nobody is safe and always fear for our favourite characters etc., but all it's done to me is mean that I don't really care about any of the characters, because they're only going to die soon anyway so why bother. So it's not particularly that I thought Oberyn was worthy and wanted him to get his revenge or anything, I just liked watching him because he was witty and entertaining, and now won't be in the show anymore.

Well put. I number of characters whose scenes I look forward to seems to dwindle with each week. Even Danaerys hasn't really done anything for awhile.
Agreed, I've found her fairly boring for the last season and a half.
Then you won't like her going forward!

And Stannis the Mannis is your rightful king! Your just king! Your only king!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on June 04, 2014, 07:14:36 AM: hodor

the story telling technique reminds me a bit of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

He clearly has favorites too as an author. He distracts you from the ones you want to hear about by going back and forth to those you don't. In dragon tattoo..we just want to know about the "girl" such a fascinating character. In this, it's similar but with more distractions. Whoever your favorite is, John Snow and Tyrian are clearly "his favorites" and he distracts us with others until he has us pouting and then brings us back to them. It's brilliant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 04, 2014, 07:29:42 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 07:07:45 AM
And Stannis the Mannis is your rightful king! Your just king! Your only king!

I don't know enough about this to really disagree, but how? The Baratheon's took the throne from the Targaryens by right of conquest, correct? Seems to me like the same logic could be applied to the Blackwater, at which point the Lannisters and Tyrells defeated Stannis and claimed the throne by right of conquest. In other words, Joffrey was analogous to a conquerer because no one could take him off the throne and Stannis was defeated in battle. Or maybe I'm all confused... Besides, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who is the rightful king.

Quote from: YtseBitsySpider on June 04, 2014, 07:14:36 AM
Whoever your favorite is, John Snow and Tyrian are clearly "his favorites" and he distracts us with others until he has us pouting and then brings us back to them. It's ~~brilliant~~ agonizing.
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Post by: YtseBitsySpider on June 04, 2014, 07:36:44 AM: Keeps you hooked though....amirite?

Agonizing was LOST. Because you didn't care, you just wanted answers. You never got any. You just got more questions.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 07:37:29 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 04, 2014, 07:29:42 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 07:07:45 AM
And Stannis the Mannis is your rightful king! Your just king! Your only king!

I don't know enough about this to really disagree, but how? The Baratheon's took the throne from the Targaryens by right of conquest, correct? Seems to me like the same logic could be applied to the Blackwater, at which point the Lannisters and Tyrells defeated Stannis and claimed the throne by right of conquest. In other words, Joffrey was analogous to a conquerer because no one could take him off the throne and Stannis was defeated in battle. Or maybe I'm all confused... Besides, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who is the rightful king.
:lol You took that way more seriously that I intended. I just love book version of him (who has a great sarcastic, dry humor without being obviously funny, utters some fantastic lines and it's not as villain-y as he is in the series).

I guess if I were to think about it, the Bratheons did take the throne by right of conquest, but they still killed off all male Targaryens who had any claim to the throne. Since Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella are products of incest and not trueborn Baratheons, legally the throne is Stannis'. But since Stannis is everything that Robert and Renly aren't, no one cares about his claim.

Also, I disagree a bit about the storytelling thing. He uses so many characters not to make you want to see Jon and Tyrion, but because this is a huge continent, and a massive story with three main threads that can't possibly be explored with two characters. He needs more than one character. For example, Sansa was needed in ACoK/s2 because she was our eyes into the drama of King's Landing. Tyrion was there, yes, but he was concerning himself more with trying to get the city ready for the impending attack of Stannis and cleaning up all the shit Cersei and Joffrey were doing.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 04, 2014, 07:43:28 AM: Yeah, I wasn't sure if you were being serious, but I figured I'd ask since those were some questions I had been thinking about :lol

I can see how his dry delivery could be funny in the books, though.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2014, 08:49:24 AM: Most book readers will say the show butchered Stannis' character. I think people's view on Stannis can change though. As Dimitrius stated, he isnt so villainous in the books and the show can change that in the future with his storyline so we will see.

As for him being defeated at the blackwater, Id say since he wasnt killed and still has an army, that he was not defeated completely. Lost a battle, not the war. And now the Iron Bank has got his back so this could definitely get interesting.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2014, 09:41:40 AM: Yeah, Robert Baratheon took the throne by conquest, but the Targaryens forged the throne through conquest. Before them, there were just 7 separate kingdoms.

There is no "legitimate" or "rightful" king. There is just the king.

IMHO
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Post by: snapple on June 04, 2014, 11:46:55 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2014, 09:41:40 AM
Yeah, Robert Baratheon took the throne by conquest, but the Targaryens forged the throne through conquest. Before them, there were just 7 separate kingdoms.

There is no "legitimate" or "rightful" king (other than Stannis). There is just the king.

IMHO

ftfy
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Post by: Zydar on June 04, 2014, 01:27:02 PM: Perhaps he's getting his own spin-off show now?

(https://i.imgur.com/8CXSOzx.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 04:30:24 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 04, 2014, 08:49:24 AM
Most book readers will say the show butchered Stannis' character. I think people's view on Stannis can change though. As Dimitrius stated, he isnt so villainous in the books and the show can change that in the future with his storyline so we will see.
I wonder if this was a choice by D&D after talking to GRRM (he's stated that he didn't mean for Stannis to become so likeable) or that they just don't get him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2014, 06:58:31 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 04, 2014, 08:49:24 AM
Most book readers will say the show butchered Stannis' character. I think people's view on Stannis can change though. As Dimitrius stated, he isnt so villainous in the books and the show can change that in the future with his storyline so we will see.
I wonder if this was a choice by D&D after talking to GRRM (he's stated that he didn't mean for Stannis to become so likeable) or that they just don't get him.

Who knows, but... spoilers

I didnt particularly like him until after he rescued the nights watch and thats kind of what I was hinting at when I said peoples views can change. In the books his character never really changed, but I think his relationship with Mel is what makes people not like him and they made his relationship even worse in the show
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 07:13:35 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 04, 2014, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 04, 2014, 08:49:24 AM
Most book readers will say the show butchered Stannis' character. I think people's view on Stannis can change though. As Dimitrius stated, he isnt so villainous in the books and the show can change that in the future with his storyline so we will see.
I wonder if this was a choice by D&D after talking to GRRM (he's stated that he didn't mean for Stannis to become so likeable) or that they just don't get him.

Who knows, but... spoilers

I didnt particularly like him until after he rescued the nights watch and thats kind of what I was hinting at when I said peoples views can change. In the books his character never really changed, but I think his relationship with Mel is what makes people not like him and they made his relationship even worse in the show
His lines about going to hell thinking of Renly's peach and how Robert could give people piss and people would gladly drink it yet Stannis would give them water and they would say how queer the taste was were what drove me to his side.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Jaq on June 04, 2014, 08:37:32 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 03, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
Quote from: ariich on June 03, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 03, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
I didn't enjoy this episode, and I might even need to take a break from GoT for a while. It's just a never ending carousel of awesome characters who make an appearance, win over fans, and then die in some brutal way. Oberyn may have been minor (although I'm sure there will be larger repercussions once Dorne hears what happened), but it was still a major disappointment for me to see him go like that. It's sadistic the way they're playing with my emotions like this, and it's pushing me into a state of noncompliance.
I reached this point in season 3. I know GRRM does all this because he wants to make us think that nobody is safe and always fear for our favourite characters etc., but all it's done to me is mean that I don't really care about any of the characters, because they're only going to die soon anyway so why bother. So it's not particularly that I thought Oberyn was worthy and wanted him to get his revenge or anything, I just liked watching him because he was witty and entertaining, and now won't be in the show anymore.

Well put. I number of characters whose scenes I look forward to seems to dwindle with each week. Even Danaerys hasn't really done anything for awhile.

I think there's a difference between what Martin does with the books and what D&D do in the TV show that's problematic, and it hit me at the end of last week's episode. And interestingly, it hit me in a scene that was the most faithful to the source material since arguably Ned's death in Oberyn's death.

Martin's "no character is safe" is an oversimplification of what he does, because in truth, the books are about busily subverting the tropes of fantasy fiction. Characters who SHOULD live, who would live in any other piece of fiction, die horrible, brutal deaths as a consequence of their actions and decisions. Oberyn died because he chose not to kill the Mountain when he had the chance. He died horribly, and worse, precisely in the same fashion as his sister did. It's a consequence of his decisions and choices. No one who dies in these books dies just because it's time for someone to die. Ned died because he was too noble and wasn't willing to play the game in the only way he needed to win. Robb died because he chose to break his treaty with the Freys. It's about consequence and choice.

D&D, however, make a television show. And in the television show, "no one is safe" is all that is left of Martin's mission statement. Oberyn's character arc in the TV series was not to make a statement on revenge, it was to get us to the graphic money shot of exploded skull. In the books, the result of the fight is identical, but Martin looks away at the visceral horror the other characters feel at what happened at the very end. They emphasize the wrong thing in the effort to be shocking and to generate buzz. Martin isn't the one who is making us all feel sick for backing characters who die horribly, it's the way D&D are emphasizing the wrong thing. They don't get the nuance of the books. Give them the spectacularly creepy way the Jaime/Cersei having sex beside of the corpse of their dead (conceived in incest no less!) son was presented by the books, they chose instead to shoot it and frame it in a way that screamed non-consensual sex, but clearly, since Jaime is still on the same arc he was in the books, they didn't even realize it was problematic.

I give them a lot of slack on the flat out changes they do at times, because Martin's glacial writing speed (and today he said the series might go to 8 books) means that the show will likely finish long before the books do. But their inability to see the nuance and essence of the books, and instead focus on and emphasize things the way they do just to generate buzz and ratings, that I can't let slide. And worse, it's making people think the books are simple hack and slash fests where everyone dies for no particular reason. They could make virtually the same series if they had the right emphasis and people would still be stunned. But I wouldn't feel so cheapened by watching it.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2014, 08:47:22 PM: I think the Jamie/Cersei sex scene this season was extremely poorly done, especially since afterwards the creators said they didnt want it to come off as rape (which it very much did). And it definitely wasn't rape in the books although very weird considering the circumstances (and in the books, Joffrey's body actually falls on them).

Overall, Id say the TV show has done a very good job at adapting a very dense series of books into an extremely successful TV show. Is it true to the books? No, but it keeps the overall story intact and they did a great job in getting the actors and actresses to fill the roles (including Oberyn who was amazing). I would say its practically impossible to adapt the books to screen and staying 100% true to the books and if they did, it probably might not be so good honestly.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 05, 2014, 05:40:00 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 04, 2014, 08:47:22 PM
I think the Jamie/Cersei sex scene this season was extremely poorly done, especially since afterwards the creators said they didnt want it to come off as rape (which it very much did). And it definitely wasn't rape in the books although very weird considering the circumstances (and in the books, Joffrey's body actually falls on them).
What? No it doesn't! They don't have sex on the bier or on the ground next to it. They have it on the Mother's altar of the sept.

Completely agree with what Jaq said. Especially the deaths of Ned and Robb were done to break the clichés of fiction (the unjustly killed father and the son who rises up and gets revenge) while still having very true reasons to why they died.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 05, 2014, 06:19:28 AM: I get what he said about Ned being killed because he was too caught up in being honorable, particularly in the events leading up to his final scene. However, when push came to shove, he did give in and plead guilty. At that point, his death was more the result of Joffrey being out of control than anything else. Even so, his death did serve a very large purpose, so I didn't have a lot of trouble accepting it, the way I have with Oberyn.
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Post by: Podaar on June 05, 2014, 08:14:52 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 05, 2014, 06:19:28 AM
I get what he said about Ned being killed because he was too caught up in being honorable, particularly in the events leading up to his final scene. However, when push came to shove, he did give in and plead guilty. At that point, his death was more the result of Joffrey being out of control than anything else. Even so, his death did serve a very large purpose, so I didn't have a lot of trouble accepting it, the way I have with Oberyn.

It's a bit early in the TV series to judge Oberyn's death as pointless and gratuitous. The writers may bring it around yet. They've surprised us all before now.

Still, I must agree with Jaq. A bit more emphasis on Oberyn's impulsiveness and towering pride might have made the event more seamless. In spite of his mastery of the spear his flawed nature got the better of him: Dooming both he and Tyrian to his arrogance. The show brushed over this so quick that it seemed just a sidebar to the unnecessarily grizzly 'money shot' as Jaq characterised it. It should have been more the point IMO.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 05, 2014, 09:03:46 AM: I don't know what you are all talking about. That Ned's honor more or less cost him his life, that Robb's poor choices cost him his, and that Oberyn's personality cost him his was perfectly clear on the show to me. Not at all did I get the feeling that they did it just to shock people, in any of those three cases.
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Post by: Evermind on June 05, 2014, 10:18:43 AM: A few videos to lighten up the mood after that death. I'm actually feel a bit easier now. :D

(no book spoilers, only spoilers about the last episode)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpewbz7GwCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ#t=77

In fact, Oberyn death seen on screen made me flinch. Kept imagining it again and again next day, and that usually doesn't happen to me when I watch anything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 05, 2014, 10:52:46 AM: Quote from: Evermind on June 05, 2014, 10:18:43 AM
In fact, Oberyn death seen on screen made me flinch. Kept imagining it again and again next day, and that usually doesn't happen to me when I watch anything.

Same here... Same here... The worst part wasn't even the head-implosion moment. The worst was the look on his face when the mountain lifted him on top of him, and then his screams when he got his eyes gouged out.
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Post by: abydos on June 05, 2014, 11:03:45 AM: Yep, same here as well. Things like that have never bothered me but for some reason this scene got to me. Probably because I got to like the character a great deal and really quickly, from his first scenes and then his triumph being taken away in a really silly manner. But that was his character after all.

I also loved Jaime's face when watching him fight, that was a nice touch too.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 05, 2014, 11:12:10 AM: All the reactions were well done.

Dimitrius, you are right, not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that. Clearly my memory of the books is off to say the least. lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 05, 2014, 12:19:55 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 05, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: Evermind on June 05, 2014, 10:18:43 AM
In fact, Oberyn death seen on screen made me flinch. Kept imagining it again and again next day, and that usually doesn't happen to me when I watch anything.

Same here... Same here... The worst part wasn't even the head-implosion moment. The worst was the look on his face when the mountain lifted him on top of him, and then his screams when he got his eyes gouged out.

Quote from: abydos on June 05, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
Yep, same here as well. Things like that have never bothered me but for some reason this scene got to me. Probably because I got to like the character a great deal and really quickly, from his first scenes and then his triumph being taken away in a really silly manner. But that was his character after all.

I also loved Jaime's face when watching him fight, that was a nice touch too.

I had the same reaction and sentiments. I just really 'liked' that character and for him to have his mission ripped away from him so quickly, especially when he had handily "defeated" the mountain.....and the manner in which it was taken....it stuck with me for a bit.

The reactions were great, from Jamie to Oberyn, you're right BlackInk....when he was being lifted up that was sheer terror on his face because I'm sure he realized he was done for.

It's interesting to hear about the book Oberyn because the show, although they did portray his as confident....never pushed it any furhter than that. He wasn't overly cocky in the show....other than that last moment when he was sharing a glance with his wife when the mountain swiped his legs from under him. Had he been presented differently on the show I guess I wouldn't have minded so much his brutal death. I don't know...I've said it a couple times but his death really got me...far above any of the others on the show.
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 05, 2014, 01:04:17 PM: I'd say Oberyn's introduction and storyline seemed to have pretty much the same effect in book and in show. I started reading the books during / after watching season 3 so that part was the first major storyline I experienced in the books first rather than the show.

Unfortunate that his time in the story was so short but impressive what a big impact he had, looks like he'll be one of the most popular characters from the show the same as he seems to be among book readers.

I always basically thought of it as him winning the fight but dying despite his victory, and Tyrion losing his trial by combat by technicality. It is "disappointing" since obviously Oberyn (and Tyrion) are the ones we support, but I don't think of it as being so terrible from a story point of view as some here seem to. It's a shame that Oberyn had to die for it, but I think it makes things very interesting, possibly more interesting than the Red Viper coming in and wrapping things up in a neat little bow. The suspense for episode 10 is huge now.

But first things first, Watchers On The Wall. I obviously have been looking forward to seeing a battle at the Wall, but I don't really feel that the season has built up too much anticipation for this episode. I think it will have to carry itself on just being an awesome episode in isolation, rather than "the one everyone was waiting for", which was always going to be inevitable, and I've got high hopes it will do it. But I always felt the trial by combat was going to be the real climax / key moment of this season, and I think other episodes will be the most talked about from this season rather than episode 9.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 05, 2014, 01:26:30 PM: Another thing about that fight....as bummed as I was about Oberyn it was actually kind of cool if the Mountain does indeed die of his wounds....becasue here you have this almost mythilogical fighter....legendary, who's last "kill" was in that manner....in that moment where the man who killed him had all but thought he was down and out. But alas....the herculian fighter musters up enough strength to crush his killers skull!
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Post by: abydos on June 05, 2014, 01:27:15 PM: I haven't read all the books (stopped after #3 I think), but while reading them I always enjoyed the chapters about The Wall a great deal. For some reason, though, that part in the tv show is my least favourite.

Also, potential spoilers, but I have a question about those who have finished the books: I seem to remember reading that Rob and Ned's wife (forgot her name), were resurrected at some point. Is this actually a thing or did I somehow fabricate this memory and when is it happening?
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 05, 2014, 01:45:32 PM: Quote from: abydos on June 05, 2014, 01:27:15 PM
Also, potential spoilers, but I have a question about those who have finished the books: I seem to remember reading that Rob and Ned's wife (forgot her name), were resurrected at some point. Is this actually a thing or did I somehow fabricate this memory and when is it happening?
Spoilers:
It did happen. It's unknown when (or even if, since it's possible things will be different in the show) when it will happen in the show. Lots of people thought it would be season 3 episode 10, I think some people now expect it could be season 4 episode 10 (possibly with Brienne seeing her). Not much has come of the storyline in the books so far though (despite there being two books since the initial reveal).

Edit: Robb is not resurrected, only Catelyn (at least so far).
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 05, 2014, 01:47:06 PM: Edit: Double
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Post by: abydos on June 05, 2014, 02:07:30 PM: Oh, thanks. I was expecting this to happen so far because I have absolutely no recollection of the Oberyn-Mountain fight yet I remembered this and it hasn't been shown yet, I was starting to think I have made up some fan fiction (a disturbing thought).
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Post by: cramx3 on June 05, 2014, 03:00:53 PM: As for the trial by combat or the battle at the wall being the climax for the season, dont be surprised if something that happens in episode 10 is just as big of an event as those. And I cant wait for the battle at the wall.
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Post by: Podaar on June 05, 2014, 04:57:33 PM: Sorry, didn't mean to post.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2014, 06:43:09 AM: Found a cool pick of Oberyn Martel.

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/oberyn_zps6499fb26.jpg)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 07, 2014, 08:35:04 AM: :lol

I did just read an article that said that actor....Pedro Pascal, has landed a lead role in a Netflix drama. It's about Pablo Escabar....apparently Pascal plays the Agent who helps take Escobar down.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-actor-pedro-pascal-star-netflix-drama-163611187.html
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 07, 2014, 08:59:04 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 07, 2014, 08:35:04 AM
:lol

I did just read an article that said that actor....Pedro Pascal, has landed a lead role in a Netflix drama. It's about Pablo Escabar....apparently Pascal plays the Agent who helps take Escobar down.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-actor-pedro-pascal-star-netflix-drama-163611187.html

I bet he didn't see that coming.
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Post by: Sycsa on June 07, 2014, 11:17:49 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 05, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: Evermind on June 05, 2014, 10:18:43 AM
In fact, Oberyn death seen on screen made me flinch. Kept imagining it again and again next day, and that usually doesn't happen to me when I watch anything.

Same here... Same here... The worst part wasn't even the head-implosion moment. The worst was the look on his face when the mountain lifted him on top of him, and then his screams when he got his eyes gouged out.
Quote from: abydos on June 05, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
Yep, same here as well. Things like that have never bothered me but for some reason this scene got to me.

I'm going to join the club as well, just got to watching it yesterday evening and it's been haunting me ever since, both the images and the emotions it stirred up. I was vaguely spoiled (yeah, it would have been quite a feat to survive 5 days on the internet without GoT spoilers), yet it still managed to sucker punch me in my state of denial. The Red Wedding didn't bother me at all, heck, I was halfway happy about it, but this was a truly painful experience. Off the top of my head, the only other time when a series made me feel like this was the Kennedy and Heidi episode of The Sopranos, towards the end of the final season.
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Post by: Tom Bombadil on June 08, 2014, 09:19:36 PM: Holy shit
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2014, 09:38:47 PM: That was a pretty killer battle! Very well done. Loved how John Snow's chic bit it....that was awesome! I was surprised at the end though when he walked out of the gate that his Dire Wolf wasn't with him?
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 08, 2014, 09:54:23 PM: In the eyes of everyone, Ghost is a weapon. He chose to go unarmed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2014, 10:02:16 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 08, 2014, 09:54:23 PM
In the eyes of everyone Ghost is a weapon. He chose to go with no weapons.

I see. I'd still have taken him.

I'm curious as to if Ingrit (I think thTs her name) hadnt been shot...whether or not she'd have shot John? It almost felt like it was right at that moment, timing wise...when she let loose on him before.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 08, 2014, 10:09:55 PM: It was either that or they just didn't have money left over to do the CGI :lol

I don't think it would've matter for Ygritte. Before that she had kill tens of men without hesitating one bit, hesitation killed her.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 11:00:47 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2014, 09:38:47 PM
That was a pretty killer battle! Very well done. ~~Loved~~ Hated how John Snow's chic bit it....that was ~~awesome~~!

Terribly sad :'(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tick on June 09, 2014, 11:06:54 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2014, 09:38:47 PM
That was a pretty killer battle! Very well done. ~~Loved~~ Hated how John Snow's chic bit it....that was ~~awesome~~!

Terribly sad :'(
That bitch got exactly what she deserved! :metal
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Post by: BlackInk on June 09, 2014, 11:09:56 AM: Great episode, totally deserves a place among the other famous "episode 9"s.

Best part was probably Grenn and his men reciting the oath in the tunnel. That was pretty damn epic. Very sad to see Grenn and Pyp go..
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 11:10:13 AM: Y'all are cold :lol

That was easily one of the saddest deaths in the whole series, for me. Not so much because I liked her as a character, but because I felt bad for Jon.
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Post by: Tick on June 09, 2014, 11:15:50 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 11:10:13 AM
Y'all are cold :lol

That was easily one of the saddest deaths in the whole series, for me. Not so much because I liked her as a character, but because I felt bad for Jon.
Cold? She filled him full of arrows once and she was about to finish him off. As far as John Snow goes....put the bitch down and mourn later! Ain't n nobody got time for that!
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 11:36:32 AM: She filled him full of arrows in all the right places so as to not kill him, because she obviously didn't want to/couldn't kill him. And while we'll never know for sure, I don't think she would have shot him there either.

Oh well… Like I said- I didn't like her as a character, so I don't have to miss her. It was just sad in that moment watching one of my favorite characters have to go through that. In fact, now that I think about it, Jon Snow might be my favorite character. The only other contenders would be Arya or Tyrion.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2014, 11:43:23 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 11:36:32 AM
She filled him full of arrows in all the right places so as to not kill him, because she obviously didn't want to/couldn't kill him. And while we'll never know for sure, I don't think she would have shot him there either.

Oh well… Like I said- I didn't like her as a character, so I don't have to miss her. It was just sad in that moment watching one of my favorite characters have to go through that. In fact, now that I think about it, Jon Snow might be my favorite character. The only other contenders would be Arya or Tyrion.

Yep. She spared him on purpose initially and probably tried to convince herself she wasn't in love with him....but alas she was....she froze when presented the chance to kill him, and that little boy putting an arrow through her was good revenge for him at least.

It was a bummer to see John go through that but he's a Stark.....that family appears to be on the losing end of luck or fate or whatever diety Martin has running his universe. John Snow is a bada$$ though....I'm curious to see how he fairs out all alone....weaponless.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 09, 2014, 02:23:06 PM: If there's one thing season 4 has made sure to drill in our heads is that hesitation will kill you in Westeros! If you have the kill shot, you have to take it!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2014, 02:46:23 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 09, 2014, 02:23:06 PM
If there's one thing season 4 has made sure to drill in our heads is that hesitation will kill you in Westeros! If you have the kill shot, you have to take it!

I think there is only one character who has no issues in hesitating..........calling killer Arya, Killer Arya to the front desk. She certainly doesn't hesitate.
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Post by: masterthes on June 09, 2014, 02:50:15 PM: Had no sympathy for her. She could have chosen not to fight instead of go all hell hath no fury mode

Can't wait for next week!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 03:10:35 PM: How do you guys think this episode compared to Blackwater? Personally I enjoyed this battle more. It felt like there was more at stake, and it was a little more emotional for me. It did feel a little anticlimactic however, the way the battle just ended and Thormund (sp?) was the last wildling alive. Leaving thousands upon thousands of wildlings hanging out north of the wall just made the whole thing feel a lot more insignificant.
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Post by: bertoltus on June 09, 2014, 03:23:42 PM: "Hey Tormund, are you sure you're gonna be OK? You've got, like, six arrows sticking out of your body."
"Har. Don't worry about that, kiddo. I put on my plot armor this moring."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2014, 03:27:04 PM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 03:10:35 PM
How do you guys think this episode compared to Blackwater? Personally I enjoyed this battle more. It felt like there was more at stake, and it was a little more emotional for me. It did feel a little anticlimactic however, the way the battle just ended and Thormund (sp?) was the last wildling alive. Leaving thousands upon thousands of wildlings hanging out north of the wall just made the whole thing feel a lot more insignificant.

I enjoyed it although like you mentioned...it was anti-climatic. For me, there weren't many characters in that battle I really 'cared' about other than John Snow so all the ancillary killing and battles were just ehhh for me, some random Watchman getting killed by some random Wildling or vice versa.

I really wish they'd have dedicated a scene to the (6) Watchmen battling that Giant....that'd have been cool to see. And although they did a good job of displaying John Snow's battlefield prowess and decision making....I'd like to have seen him 'in battle' a bit more. He had some good sparring scenes and kills once he got down to the bottom but it really was only a minute or so of him in the 'battle'.

Oh, and....I Still could give a lick about the fat guy. I've not read the books so I have nothing to base this off of but it just seems he's been mis-cast or something. His acting/character portrayed on the show does nothing for me to give a rats booty about him.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 03:38:17 PM: True about Jon actually fighting, there was very little time dedicated to that. I wasn't too upset to see most of the peripheral characters die either, even Pip (Pyp?) and the other guy down with the giant. I do think Sam has improved a little bit this season as he seems to have found a little more courage and strength. Still, I'm not sure what the long term importance of his character is. Maybe he'll fly one of Danaerys dragons eventually? :mehlin
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Post by: Tom Bombadil on June 09, 2014, 03:40:47 PM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 03:10:35 PM
How do you guys think this episode compared to Blackwater? Personally I enjoyed this battle more. It felt like there was more at stake, and it was a little more emotional for me. It did feel a little anticlimactic however, the way the battle just ended and Thormund (sp?) was the last wildling alive. Leaving thousands upon thousands of wildlings hanging out north of the wall just made the whole thing feel a lot more insignificant.

I found it very similar both in terms of how the episode was laid out and the quality of it. They both had a lot of build up time to the battle which was really suspenseful and cool, and then the battles themselves were both amazing. Not sure which one I would say I liked the most. Probably Blackwater just because it had a definitive outcome, whereas this episode there are still thousands of wildlings they still have to deal with. And the ending of Blackwater when Tywin comes in and announces "we have won" was just so cool. Both were fantastic episodes, though, and are among my favorites in the series.
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Post by: snapple on June 09, 2014, 06:42:31 PM: Don't worry Ygritte, I'll always remember the cave. ;)
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Post by: abydos on June 09, 2014, 07:01:03 PM: What a boring episode, there's no way I can give any less shit about the wall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 07:12:42 PM: Quote from: snapple on June 09, 2014, 06:42:31 PM
Don't worry Ygritte, I'll always remember the cave. ;)

when she said that, all I could think was euphemism? :justjen

Quote from: abydos on June 09, 2014, 07:01:03 PM
What a boring episode, there's no way I can give any less shit about the wall.

Next to the impending invasion of the white walkers, everything else seems incredibly trivial. It only makes sense that we keep eyes on the wall.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 09, 2014, 07:21:21 PM: I like Jon and Sam, so I care about the Wall. I loved this episode.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2014, 07:29:32 PM: Quote from: Super Dude on June 09, 2014, 07:21:21 PM
I like Jon and Sam, so I care about the Wall. I loved this episode.

I like John a lot. But, for the readers I the book....how accurate of a depiction is TV Sam vs Book Sam? As I mentioned earlier, I find the actor less than compelling...it's tough for me to care about him.
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Post by: Super Dude on June 09, 2014, 07:34:46 PM: I haven't read the book, but what I like about him is he's this unapologetically (I dunno, I have no better word for it) nice guy in a really harsh world full of calculating assholes. And now that he's been in the Night's Watch a while, he's also finally got balls to go with his nice guy-ness.
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Post by: FracturedMirror on June 09, 2014, 08:02:08 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2014, 07:29:32 PM
Quote from: Super Dude on June 09, 2014, 07:21:21 PM
I like Jon and Sam, so I care about the Wall. I loved this episode.

I like John a lot. But, for the readers I the book....how accurate of a depiction is TV Sam vs Book Sam? As I mentioned earlier, I find the actor less than compelling...it's tough for me to care about him.

Very close. I think the Night's Watch characters have all been pretty much spot-on with how they are depicted in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 09, 2014, 09:31:23 PM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 09, 2014, 03:10:35 PM
How do you guys think this episode compared to Blackwater? Personally I enjoyed this battle more. It felt like there was more at stake, and it was a little more emotional for me. It did feel a little anticlimactic however, the way the battle just ended and Thormund (sp?) was the last wildling alive. Leaving thousands upon thousands of wildlings hanging out north of the wall just made the whole thing feel a lot more insignificant.
I think "Blackwater" was much, much better. It had better character moments, better battle scenes and I wasn't a big fan of how the Wall battle deviated from the book. Also Grenn and Pyp... :'(

"Watchers at the Wall" was okay, but mostly because I just haven't been fairly impressed with how the show has handled the wall storyline since the end of Season 1.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2014, 07:29:32 PM
Quote from: Super Dude on June 09, 2014, 07:21:21 PM
I like Jon and Sam, so I care about the Wall. I loved this episode.

I like John a lot. But, for the readers I the book....how accurate of a depiction is TV Sam vs Book Sam? As I mentioned earlier, I find the actor less than compelling...it's tough for me to care about him.
Sam's much more of a craven in the book. TV Sam seems to have a bit more nascent courage at times. I quite like the guy who plays him though, he has enough charisma to keep the character from being a complete buzzkill.

I have no idea how they're going to handle the next episode. There is so much stuff they have left to cover.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2014, 05:03:52 AM: I think the actor for Sam fits the character very well. I agree that book Sam is more of a coward. I don't recall him killing anyone during the battle in the books but I could be wrong.

I think Blackwater was better due to having more important characters involved, a definitive ending, and an awesome speech by Tyrion.

I did enjoy the episode overall but I was really pissed at the ending and I have no idea where it is going now. Also, the Yggrette death was more satisfying in the show. Her death in the books was pretty uneventful.

I really wonder how they are going to pull off the finale since this episode didn't finish the battle and there is still a lot of other stuff from the book that hasn't happened yet with regards to other characters stories.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 10, 2014, 05:18:34 AM: I don't remember Blackwater being much of a battle. There was a lot of waiting, then most of Stannis' ships get blown up, and then there's like 5-10 minutes worth of skirmishes on the beach before Tywin swoops in and saves the day.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 10, 2014, 06:09:42 AM: It certainly did feel like a lot of waiting, looking back.

Also, just read that the finale is going to be about 10 minutes longer than usual. No surprises there, especially given how much a lot of the book readers have been saying still needs to fit in before the season is done. I'm excited that this season seems to be breaking the mold of climax in episode 9 followed by general wrap up in episode 10. Here it feels like we've hit a climax in episode 8 and it hasn't let up since. Although, with that being said, it also felt like things dipped a bit in the middle of the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2014, 06:48:06 AM: I think it's time they give us (13) or (16) episodes per season. This ten show season stuff sucks.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 10, 2014, 08:20:32 AM: I agree. This season finale is gonna be super busy because of it!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on June 10, 2014, 08:30:09 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 10, 2014, 08:20:32 AM
I agree. This season finale is gonna be super busy because of it!

And super awesome! Nevermind the Red Wedding, this episode shows what I have been looking forward to see on screen since I first read the books!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2014, 09:12:13 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 10, 2014, 05:03:52 AM
I really wonder how they are going to pull off the finale since this episode didn't finish the battle and there is still a lot of other stuff from the book that hasn't happened yet with regards to other characters stories.

Among the things this show does really well....one of them is utilizing the scenes to progress the stories along. They never really have a 'wasted' scene and seem to pack quite a bit of story and progression in the moments they spend with each character or story arc. It's quite impressive.....there are A LOT of shows out there that could take heed of that and learn a thing or two from the GOT folks on that aspect.
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Post by: Tick on June 10, 2014, 02:21:38 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 10, 2014, 08:20:32 AM
I agree. This season finale is gonna be super busy because of it!
Yeah, episode 9 was a bit much for me. Too much stuff going on I care about more than that 1 hour battle scene.
Just not enough time in an hour for the series finale!
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Post by: Sycsa on June 10, 2014, 04:21:01 PM: Probably the weakest GoT episode so far and it'll be the only one I'll definitely skip when I re-watch the entire series. That's still not saying much given the series' standards though, it was a lot of fun, but it came off as a season finale tease. Reminds me of the time when South Park aired a Terrence and Philip special instead of Cartman's Mom Is a Dirty Slut Part 2.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2014, 05:36:54 PM: Quote from: Sycsa on June 10, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
Probably the weakest GoT episode so far and it'll be the only one I'll definitely skip when I re-watch the entire series. That's still not saying much given the series' standards though, it was a lot of fun, but it came off as a season finale tease. Reminds me of the time when South Park aired a Terrence and Philip special instead of Cartman's Mom Is a Dirty Slut Part 2.

and while I was completely devasted, once I got over the fact that we wouldnt find out Cartman's mom was a hermaphrodite for another couple months, the Terrance and Philip episode was amazing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Sycsa on June 10, 2014, 05:51:15 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 10, 2014, 05:36:54 PM
Quote from: Sycsa on June 10, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
Probably the weakest GoT episode so far and it'll be the only one I'll definitely skip when I re-watch the entire series. That's still not saying much given the series' standards though, it was a lot of fun, but it came off as a season finale tease. Reminds me of the time when South Park aired a Terrence and Philip special instead of Cartman's Mom Is a Dirty Slut Part 2.

and while I was completely devasted, once I got over the fact that we wouldnt find out Cartman's mom was a hermaphrodite for another couple months, the Terrance and Philip episode was amazing.
And then you had to wait another 12 years to find out she wasn't really a hermaphrodite. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Joshin U on June 12, 2014, 12:31:18 PM: Quote
Did the Red Wedding actually happen?

No, I don't mean in real life, I'm not mentally handicapped. But do we know for sure that it happened in the show? What if the show just MADE it look like it happened, when really it was just a "smoke and mirrors" show put on by the Freys to scare away Arya and the Hound? There could be several motivations for the involved to pull this off:

1. The Freys kidnapped the Starks and will eventually put them up for ransom. They don't want to give Arya/Hound hope, though, so they act as if they killed everyone there to make them flee so that they can hold on to the Starks without any external forces interrupting the process.

2. The Starks and Freys coordinated the event in order to fool Arya into thinking the events transpired in order to force her transition from childhood to adulthood to better brace her for life in Westeros. By faking their deaths, the Wedding participants triggered a series of internal decisions and growth processes within Arya that have become integral to her character development and will be of use to the Stark clan in the future.

3. This one is the wildest, so brace yourselves: what if Arya is actually a split personality and isn't with the Hound at all? Think about it: she really hasn't encountered anyone that interacted deeply with the Hound to a degree to which he revealed information that Arya did not already know. If this theory is correct, that means that all of the events in Arya's storyline since season 1 (where trauma created a mental break into psychosis, most likely triggered by the death of her father) correspond with events actually transpiring in reality, but may not be rooted in reality whatsoever. I won't even fathom a guess to the particulars of what is actually occurring around Arya, but its safe to say that if this is true, many of the events that pertain to Arya's storyline are symbolic and do not necessarily reflect reality, like the Red Wedding. The implications of this are HUGE and, if revealed correctly, will throw the War of the Five Kings into a completely different direction, most likely with Arya at the center of it all.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230911171?d=230911171#230911171 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230911171?d=230911171#230911171)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 12, 2014, 12:38:03 PM: Quote from: Joshin U on June 12, 2014, 12:31:18 PM
Quote
Did the Red Wedding actually happen?

No, I don't mean in real life, I'm not mentally handicapped. But do we know for sure that it happened in the show? What if the show just MADE it look like it happened, when really it was just a "smoke and mirrors" show put on by the Freys to scare away Arya and the Hound? There could be several motivations for the involved to pull this off:

1. The Freys kidnapped the Starks and will eventually put them up for ransom. They don't want to give Arya/Hound hope, though, so they act as if they killed everyone there to make them flee so that they can hold on to the Starks without any external forces interrupting the process.

2. The Starks and Freys coordinated the event in order to fool Arya into thinking the events transpired in order to force her transition from childhood to adulthood to better brace her for life in Westeros. By faking their deaths, the Wedding participants triggered a series of internal decisions and growth processes within Arya that have become integral to her character development and will be of use to the Stark clan in the future.

3. This one is the wildest, so brace yourselves: what if Arya is actually a split personality and isn't with the Hound at all? Think about it: she really hasn't encountered anyone that interacted deeply with the Hound to a degree to which he revealed information that Arya did not already know. If this theory is correct, that means that all of the events in Arya's storyline since season 1 (where trauma created a mental break into psychosis, most likely triggered by the death of her father) correspond with events actually transpiring in reality, but may not be rooted in reality whatsoever. I won't even fathom a guess to the particulars of what is actually occurring around Arya, but its safe to say that if this is true, many of the events that pertain to Arya's storyline are symbolic and do not necessarily reflect reality, like the Red Wedding. The implications of this are HUGE and, if revealed correctly, will throw the War of the Five Kings into a completely different direction, most likely with Arya at the center of it all.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230911171?d=230911171#230911171 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230911171?d=230911171#230911171)

I found myself trying to make something out of nothing and creating random storylines and odd twists the whole time while watching 'True Detective'.....why do "we" feel the need to do such things.

This proposal is silly to me and I'm not even a "book reader"...not that it should make a difference but I'd suspect that if this theory were correct it'd be well talked about. This just soundsl like someone trying to be smart when they should just keep it quiet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 12, 2014, 02:11:20 PM: Quote from: Joshin U on June 12, 2014, 12:31:18 PM
Quote
Did the Red Wedding actually happen?

No, I don't mean in real life, I'm not mentally handicapped. But do we know for sure that it happened in the show? What if the show just MADE it look like it happened, when really it was just a "smoke and mirrors" show put on by the Freys to scare away Arya and the Hound? There could be several motivations for the involved to pull this off:

1. The Freys kidnapped the Starks and will eventually put them up for ransom. They don't want to give Arya/Hound hope, though, so they act as if they killed everyone there to make them flee so that they can hold on to the Starks without any external forces interrupting the process.

2. The Starks and Freys coordinated the event in order to fool Arya into thinking the events transpired in order to force her transition from childhood to adulthood to better brace her for life in Westeros. By faking their deaths, the Wedding participants triggered a series of internal decisions and growth processes within Arya that have become integral to her character development and will be of use to the Stark clan in the future.

3. This one is the wildest, so brace yourselves: what if Arya is actually a split personality and isn't with the Hound at all? Think about it: she really hasn't encountered anyone that interacted deeply with the Hound to a degree to which he revealed information that Arya did not already know. If this theory is correct, that means that all of the events in Arya's storyline since season 1 (where trauma created a mental break into psychosis, most likely triggered by the death of her father) correspond with events actually transpiring in reality, but may not be rooted in reality whatsoever. I won't even fathom a guess to the particulars of what is actually occurring around Arya, but its safe to say that if this is true, many of the events that pertain to Arya's storyline are symbolic and do not necessarily reflect reality, like the Red Wedding. The implications of this are HUGE and, if revealed correctly, will throw the War of the Five Kings into a completely different direction, most likely with Arya at the center of it all.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230911171?d=230911171#230911171 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230911171?d=230911171#230911171)
That's the dumbest thing I've read today. And I work with the general public.
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Post by: TioJorge on June 12, 2014, 02:24:40 PM: No shit...

I hate most theories on plot, as they most often tend to be completely and utterly wrong and almost always are based on the most mundane shit that some addicted fan twisted and hallucinated...much like this poor tookus. Holy hell...takes obsession to a new level when you create shit out of thin air.

Unless it's a massive troll, but I could totally see this being srs bznss.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2014, 02:33:28 PM: Id say thats a troll or someone just trying to be funny. I couldnt possibly think that was serious.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 12, 2014, 02:58:25 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 12, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
Id say thats a troll or someone just trying to be funny. I couldnt possibly think that was serious.

I think it was just snarky enough and had just the right amount of "I'm so clever" psuedo intellectual mambo jahambo that it was indeed real.....and this dude thought he had just revealed something great....
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Post by: Genowyn on June 12, 2014, 09:43:43 PM: I really hope the last scene of the episode is the epilogue of the book. Introducing that character would be a great way to end the season.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 12, 2014, 09:53:34 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 12, 2014, 09:43:43 PM
I really hope the last scene of the episode is the epilogue of the book. Introducing that character would be a great way to end the season.
The move I've thought about this, the more I think Stoneheart won't appear until the AFfC chapter where Brienne meets up with her. It would be a bigger "oh shit!" moment for TV if we have 6-7 episodes where there's always dialogue about how Dondarrion's outlaws are now lead by a woman until we finally see the woman.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2014, 04:03:21 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 12, 2014, 09:53:34 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on June 12, 2014, 09:43:43 PM
I really hope the last scene of the episode is the epilogue of the book. Introducing that character would be a great way to end the season.
The move I've thought about this, the more I think Stoneheart won't appear until the AFfC chapter where Brienne meets up with her. It would be a bigger "oh shit!" moment for TV if we have 6-7 episodes where there's always dialogue about how Dondarrion's outlaws are now lead by a woman until we finally see the woman.

Lena Headey posted an instagram picture before the season started of stones placed in a shape of a heart. Many people took that to mean we will see her. With the way the last episode ended (or didnt end) I am starting to think the finale might not have enough time to do a proper LS intro. I also agree with Dimitrius in that there has been no build up of any talk/rumors of Freys being hung and of Dondarions people this season whcih makes me think that maybe it isnt going to happen. I still do want the last scene to be of Brienne seeing her and then getting hung (or about to). That would be a total awww shit moment to end the season, but then again there can be a few of those depending on how the show runners decide to pull this off. I am very excited to see this, although I wont get to watch it until Monday :'(
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 13, 2014, 06:01:11 AM: All this small text makes me nervous :lol

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2014, 06:48:06 AM
I think it's time they give us (13) or (16) episodes per season. This ten show season stuff sucks.

I believe GRRM said recently that he would like to see it extended to 13. Maybe a sign of things to come? I hope so.
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Post by: masterthes on June 13, 2014, 07:38:10 AM: I agree. Give us a few more episodes
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 13, 2014, 08:24:48 AM: HBO has to consider this for the seasons going forward! The show has actually INCREASED viewership year after year (even though it's the most pirated show of all time) and the DVD/Blu-ray/merch sales of them have to be through the roof! This is a gold mine that they need to continue to exploit and more episodes would help.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Joshin U on June 13, 2014, 09:47:03 AM: Quote
Is Yara Greyjoy a Bolton???

Hear me out.

What if Yara has been a Bolton since her first appearance in the Iron Isles? My theory is that she is a Bolton (or a Bolton bastard like Ramsay) and, sent by Roose, infiltrated Balon Greyjoy's household during the real Yara's teenage years. She probably killed Yara and locked herself in her room for a long period of time and faked being sick until a reasonable amount had passed in which she could adapt to the real Yara's characteristics. When enough time had passed, she came out and would attribute looking slightly different to puberty taking over during sickness. She has used the last several years as an opportunity to gather information on the Greyjoys and the specifics of their arsenal, defenses, and personnel.

But wait, what about her interactions with Theon? First take into consideration that she never expected to see Theon: when she learned he was returning, she was extremely nervous and thought about killing him. However, she decides against it and the first time they meet (when she picks him up and rides him back to the castle), its very obvious that he doesn't recognize any of her features and doesn't know her as his sister. She plays this to her advantage, but it certainly doesn't bode well for their future relationship. Therefore, she manipulates the circumstances to have him sent off on a suicide mission in order to silence him. But he goes off course and takes Winterfell and gets captured. When Yara Bolton realizes this, she convinces Balon to let her go "rescue" him. Why would she do this if its her brother (Ramsay) who has taken Theon captive?

Because Theon is a Targaryen.

Balon took him captive long ago and passed him off as his own son but, in his dementia, forgot Theon's true patronage. But Yara Bolton found this out during the last days of her stay (between when she sent Theon off raiding and when she recieved news of his capture) and espionage at the Greyjoy's, and decided to betray her true family in order to steal Theon away. By stealing him away, she could return him to his sister in the south and therefore become integral to the Mother of Dragons and her conquest of Westeros. Her hope is that she will reserve a spot at least on the small council and one day be able to exercise revenge on Roose for his consignment of her as a teenager to a life of deceit, danger, and political intrigue.

Yara will soon become the most important pawn in the battle for the Iron Throne because, with Theon at Dany's side, the duo would be unstoppable in taming the dragons, distributing ruling regimes in the south, and conquering King's Landing as soon as possible.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230936482?d=230936482#230936482 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230936482?d=230936482#230936482)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Jaq on June 13, 2014, 10:38:25 AM: IMDB posters, stop speculating. Please. :lol
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 13, 2014, 10:59:32 AM: Is that the same person? Or are there just a lot of crazies on IMDB?
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Post by: Jaq on June 13, 2014, 11:05:11 AM: At a guess, these are people who haven't read the books, since neither line of speculation holds up for ten seconds if you have, :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2014, 12:07:00 PM: Yeah, if we could stop having that shit posted here, that would be great.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 13, 2014, 12:09:52 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2014, 12:07:00 PM
Yeah, if we could stop having that shit posted here, that would be great.

What if the real reason you've asked for that stuff to stop being posted here is because you actually want it posted here?
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 13, 2014, 12:28:15 PM: I don't really see why people are so bothered by it. It's nonsense, but it's fairly interesting nonsense.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2014, 01:30:26 PM: Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 13, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
I don't really see why people are so bothered by it. It's nonsense, but it's fairly interesting nonsense.
Since we can all agree that it's nonsense, I guess that "interesting" is in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by: Joshin U on June 13, 2014, 01:47:21 PM: Complete nonsense, of course. Same person for both, by the way. ;)
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Post by: TioJorge on June 13, 2014, 02:51:13 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2014, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 13, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
I don't really see why people are so bothered by it. It's nonsense, but it's fairly interesting nonsense.
Since we can all agree that it's nonsense, I guess that "interesting" is in the eye of the beholder.

This... I'm not so sure that, for me, something can be qualified as interesting if I know it's a load of shit. I mean, if you want to be annoying about it, sure, I suppose in all the realms of possibilities, his asinine theories could possibly come true. But for the sake of logic and sanity, let's be furrealz here; none of this is going to come true and it's all mumbo-jumbo (who, granted, was an awesome character /banjokazooie). That said, all my interests die with that thought. If there was a smidgen of anything logical in that mess of straws he pulled out of his butthole, then I'd give credit that it's interesting. But theories that come from the deepest depths of fandom and irrationalities are not interesting. To me, anyway. Some people eat that shit up. Then shit it back out and eat it up all over again. Nasties.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 13, 2014, 02:56:10 PM: I'd rather see this kind of stuff pop up in the thread than that tiny text.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 13, 2014, 03:07:19 PM: Isn't there a separate thread for people that have read the books? AFAIK, tiny text still didn't work correctly on the mobile versions of DTF as it still shows up small but still very readable.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2014, 04:05:58 PM: The other thread is specifically for the books. This thread is for the show.

And now for something completely different.

What Game of Thrones Would Sound Like If It Were Set in New Orleans (https://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/game-of-thrones-dixieland-cover?mbid=social_fbshare)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on June 13, 2014, 04:34:01 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 13, 2014, 04:03:21 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 12, 2014, 09:53:34 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on June 12, 2014, 09:43:43 PM
I really hope the last scene of the episode is the epilogue of the book. Introducing that character would be a great way to end the season.
The move I've thought about this, the more I think Stoneheart won't appear until the AFfC chapter where Brienne meets up with her. It would be a bigger "oh shit!" moment for TV if we have 6-7 episodes where there's always dialogue about how Dondarrion's outlaws are now lead by a woman until we finally see the woman.

Lena Headey posted an instagram picture before the season started of stones placed in a shape of a heart. Many people took that to mean we will see her. With the way the last episode ended (or didnt end) I am starting to think the finale might not have enough time to do a proper LS intro. I also agree with Dimitrius in that there has been no build up of any talk/rumors of Freys being hung and of Dondarions people this season whcih makes me think that maybe it isnt going to happen. I still do want the last scene to be of Brienne seeing her and then getting hung (or about to). That would be a total awww shit moment to end the season, but then again there can be a few of those depending on how the show runners decide to pull this off. I am very excited to see this, although I wont get to watch it until Monday :'(

I just mean the scene where she is introduced in the books. There's no buildup to her existence, she just hangs some Freys in the epilogue of Storm of Swords.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 15, 2014, 08:16:36 PM: They somewhat thinned the herd this episode, although Tywin's death didn't really excite me as much as it should've.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2014, 09:42:11 PM: I liked the episode and thought some cool stuff went down. Brianne whooping the hound was out if nowhere....i dug Tyrion killing Tywin (if he is indeed dead). Speaking of dead or not...the Mountain? Dying of poisoning from Oberyns weapon, but the dude trying to save him says he won't be the same if it works? Different as in he will now be Mr. Nice guy or different as in he will be more sinister? Hmmmm

I thought Stannis showing up at the wall was cool and I'm glad John Snow is t dead (yet?) the whole Bran thing has taken a new twist that just confuses me even more now so that'll be fun to sort through next season.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 15, 2014, 09:45:25 PM: The bells were ringing in King's Landing, they only ring them when a ruler (be it king or Hand) dies...

I loved this episode to death!!

And, Brienne of Tarth ain't nothing to fuck with.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on June 15, 2014, 09:50:28 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2014, 09:42:11 PM
Speaking of dead or not...the Mountain? Dying of poisoning from Oberyns weapon, but the dude trying to save him says he won't be the same if it works? Different as in he will now be Mr. Nice guy or different as in he will be more sinister? Hmmmm

I got the impression that he'll come back way stronger but more of a mindless beast than anything.
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Post by: Tom Bombadil on June 15, 2014, 09:53:42 PM: Wow. Literally like the entire landscape has changed. Very interested to see where it goes from here.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 15, 2014, 10:01:00 PM: I'm disappointed now that we've gotten so little Mance stuff. He was so fucking good this episode!

(https://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/0/2/4/79909024/cuts/grrmmartinkillshorse_lz093tis_n4i6zkpi.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on June 15, 2014, 11:41:42 PM: Well that was an underwhelming season finale.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 16, 2014, 12:11:14 AM: Gotta hand it to Peter Dinklage; he has been really tearing up the screen the past few episodes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2014, 04:53:33 AM: Some of the changes from the novel were. . . interesting.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 16, 2014, 07:30:23 AM: Wow that really didn't go as I thought. :omg: Tyrion killing Tywin, never thought that scenario would happen in the show. The same with Brienne killing The Hound...although not as shocking.

Awesome episode! :corn Goddamn one season goes so fast, can't believe i'll have to wait another freakin year for S05.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2014, 07:59:32 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2014, 04:53:33 AM
Some of the changes from the novel were. . . interesting.

Could you small font the deviations? I'm curious.
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Post by: soundgarden on June 16, 2014, 09:05:51 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2014, 07:59:32 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2014, 04:53:33 AM
Some of the changes from the novel were. . . interesting.

Could you small font the deviations? I'm curious.

Brienne doesn't kill the hound; if I remember correctly they don't meet at all. The Hound gets wounded through another skirmish. Arya does in fact leave him to die. I think the way the show did it was fine; it kept the important plot points while allowing more interaction between main characters; kept it simple for limited screen time. Brienne does get the shit beat out of her in the books many times though (while still winning); you can call it a 'recurring theme' i supppose.

Jojen doesnt die.

Shae doesn't resist Tyrion killing her.

Didn't introduce a major new player, which was in the epilogue of the book. Don't look into this though, big big spoiler.

Cersei never admits her relationship with Jamie.

Thats really it IIRC, aside from other very minor details.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2014, 01:38:30 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on June 16, 2014, 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2014, 07:59:32 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2014, 04:53:33 AM
Some of the changes from the novel were. . . interesting.

Could you small font the deviations? I'm curious.

Brienne doesn't kill the hound; if I remember correctly they don't meet at all. The Hound gets wounded through another skirmish. Arya does in fact leave him to die. I think the way the show did it was fine; it kept the important plot points while allowing more interaction between main characters; kept it simple for limited screen time. Brienne does get the shit beat out of her in the books many times though (while still winning); you can call it a 'recurring theme' i supppose.

Jojen doesnt die.

Shae doesn't resist Tyrion killing her.

Didn't introduce a major new player, which was in the epilogue of the book. Don't look into this though, big big spoiler.

Cersei never admits her relationship with Jamie.

Thats really it IIRC, aside from other very minor details.

Interesting....Thanks.

Oh....and, I felt 'bad' for the two dragons who've been "behaving" themselves while their other sibling is just terrorizing everyone and everything :lol I don't know what siginificance it has that she now has leashed the other two....will it mean they won't obey her? anyway, it just seemed unfortunate she had to cage her dragons...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on June 16, 2014, 01:56:36 PM: Quote
Wow that really didn't go as I thought.

Pretty much my reaction. There were some changes from the book I liked, while some I hated with passion. Especially the one soundgarden didn't mention at all (no big spoilers, but still please be careful anyone who doesn't want to know how Tyrion escape went down in the books):

the not-so-good to put it mildly terms on which Tyrion parts with Jaime. They had what, 7 minutes on beetles speech and 1 minute on their parting? That was such a defining and important moment in the books for me.

Alright, I'll stop my rant here.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 16, 2014, 01:58:49 PM: Arya, Tyrion, Jon and Bran have me the most excited moving forward. Nothing new there though, I suppose. Although, the bit of Bran that we did see this episode only left me feeling more confused. I also liked seeing Stannis make his appearance and look forward to seeing how that plays out. With Tywin dead it seems now is definitely the time for him to make his decisive move.

Danaerys is an awful mother (of dragons), and her whole story line has felt very stagnant throughout this entire season. Not sure what to make of that, as we move on.

In the long run, I'm not sure how all of these story lines are going to get wrapped up into one satisfying and conclusive ending that doesn't feel contrived. It could work brilliantly, but I'm not exactly sure how. Obviously the major conflict of the White Walkers isn't going anywhere, and I imagine that the whole realm is going to have to unite to combat that. I'm just not quite sure how we're going to get from where we are now to where that finally comes to a head and then beyond. Still so many possibilities open for all of these characters, and I'm sure plenty to be added in the coming season.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 16, 2014, 03:04:55 PM: Quote from: soundgarden on June 16, 2014, 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2014, 07:59:32 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2014, 04:53:33 AM
Some of the changes from the novel were. . . interesting.

Could you small font the deviations? I'm curious.

Brienne doesn't kill the hound; if I remember correctly they don't meet at all. The Hound gets wounded through another skirmish. Arya does in fact leave him to die. I think the way the show did it was fine; it kept the important plot points while allowing more interaction between main characters; kept it simple for limited screen time. Brienne does get the shit beat out of her in the books many times though (while still winning); you can call it a 'recurring theme' i supppose.

Jojen doesnt die.

Shae doesn't resist Tyrion killing her.

Didn't introduce a major new player, which was in the epilogue of the book. Don't look into this though, big big spoiler.

Cersei never admits her relationship with Jamie.

Thats really it IIRC, aside from other very minor details.

To be fair, Jojen hasn't died YET. He has mentioned a few times that the knows he's going to die in the books

I'll also join in the chorus of people disliking Jaime and Tyrion's farewell. Jaime's revelation of Tysha and the subsequent "wherever whores go" and "she's been fucking Lancel" are, IMO, very important to their attitudes going forward! They can remedy Jaime's part easily, bringing Lancel back next year and him telling Jaime that because he's being penitent. But I don't see how Tyrion can figure out about Tysha.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 16, 2014, 07:08:51 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 16, 2014, 07:30:23 AM
Wow that really didn't go as I thought. :omg: Tyrion killing Tywin, never thought that scenario would happen in the show. The same with Brienne killing The Hound...although not as shocking.

Who says he (The Hound) died?
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Post by: The King in Crimson on June 16, 2014, 11:01:25 PM: I think I was a bit disappointed with this finale, but, as I think back on it, it really was one of the more packed episodes, especially compared to last season's finale which felt more like 'the episode after the Red Wedding' as opposed to the season finale. It almost makes up for the few episodes this season where nothing seemed to happen. Almost. That said, the changes, they were irk-worthy. Most fall into either 'I don't mind this' or 'WTF is this shit??' Not much on the positive side. I try not to let my uber-nerd fanboy side take over after every miniscule alteration, but sometimes... it's just more fun to bitch and moan about pointless things. Book spoilers ahead, ye have been warned.

What was awesome:
Mance and Jon and Stannis surprisingly because I have not been a big fan of how the Wall storyline has been adapted in the past. Mance needed to be on the show more, Ciaran Hinds is pretty awesome and just to remind the viewers of who Mance is.

What didn't piss me off:
Arya and the Hound meeting Brienne and Pod. Just as long as we got that last scene between Arya and the Hound, that's all I cared about. And we got it and it was glorious. Where the heart is indeed. Now it just makes me wonder what Brienne is going to do next season? Her plot in AFFC was already a bit threadbare, but now? All she has left to do is meet a certain someone and I'm really dubious of the showrunners being able to make up other things for her to do. Their track record on such things is... spotty.

Shae attacking Tyrion. Eh, it worked. I won't complain.

Jojen's death. He doesn't do much going forward so meh no big loss for me and hopefully his death means we get some Ironborn PoV's next season.

Bloodraven. I was kinda disappointed with how he looked, but I guess there's only so much they can do with makeup and prosthetics on the show. Can't have of that money cutting into their annual boob budget!

Weirwood Hand Grenades.

WTF... C'mon!:
No Tysha. This is a really great scene between Jaime and Tyrion and Tyrion and Tywin and really important for both Jaime and Tyrion's characters going forward. I can understand why they didn't put it in, I mean Tysha was mentioned what, twice like three seasons ago? But still, what a missed opportunity.

Jaime and Cersei screwing in the white tower? That's the moment when he turns away from her. I'm sure they'll make it happen next season but bleh, the white book and white tower scenes were great.

Is Balon Greyjoy still alive? I don't remember him dying on the show so I'm assuming he's still out there raiding and pillaging, though it's funny that nobody seems to give much of a crap about him now. Not even Roose seems to care much.

No Lady Stoneheart. I'm not surprised by this at all. I had gotten myself so hyped up that this would be the scene that closes out the season so I have no one but myself to blame but still, that would've been awesome and I'm disappointed nonetheless.

No "Tywin Lannister did not, in fact, shit gold." I don't know how they would've fit that in but it should've been in there. C'MON!

So overall, I think this season might be tied with Season 2 as my least favorite. For all the material that it had to cover, there was just too much random filler and too many strange cuts. The finale was quite good though, but was only disappointing when compared to my expectations. I hope they find some great actors to fill the voids left by Grenn, Tywin, Joffrey, Oberyn, even Lysa, and, of course, Karl the fookin legend of Gin Alley!
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Post by: Accelerando on June 17, 2014, 01:10:14 AM: I really liked the boy's choir version of theme song at the end of the episode!
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Post by: BlackInk on June 17, 2014, 01:48:50 AM: I loved everything about the finale except one thing: The skeleton warriors who attacked Bran and gang. I have no problem with it actually happening, but only wish they weren't portrayed so video-game-y.
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Post by: Sycsa on June 17, 2014, 03:39:22 AM: Yeah, while watching I was thinking how much cooler those stop motion skeletons looked in Jason and the Argonauts.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 17, 2014, 09:36:20 AM: I hated the way the skeleton killed Jojen. It was so... mechanical :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2014, 09:43:22 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 17, 2014, 09:36:20 AM
I hated the way the skeleton killed Jojen. It was so... mechanical :lol

I wasnt crazy about that scene in general. Just so different from the books (which I wont normally complain about, but I enjoyed the book version much more). But the whole fireballs thing was just weird IMO and yes, the stabbing looked awkward to say the least.
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Post by: abydos on June 17, 2014, 10:40:47 AM: If that guy knew he was going to die, why not send the fireball kid earlier to save him? :)
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Post by: soundgarden on June 17, 2014, 11:06:14 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 16, 2014, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: soundgarden on June 16, 2014, 09:05:51 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2014, 07:59:32 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2014, 04:53:33 AM
Some of the changes from the novel were. . . interesting.

Could you small font the deviations? I'm curious.

Brienne doesn't kill the hound; if I remember correctly they don't meet at all. The Hound gets wounded through another skirmish. Arya does in fact leave him to die. I think the way the show did it was fine; it kept the important plot points while allowing more interaction between main characters; kept it simple for limited screen time. Brienne does get the shit beat out of her in the books many times though (while still winning); you can call it a 'recurring theme' i supppose.

Jojen doesnt die.

Shae doesn't resist Tyrion killing her.

Didn't introduce a major new player, which was in the epilogue of the book. Don't look into this though, big big spoiler.

Cersei never admits her relationship with Jamie.

Thats really it IIRC, aside from other very minor details.

To be fair, Jojen hasn't died YET. He has mentioned a few times that the knows he's going to die in the books

I'll also join in the chorus of people disliking Jaime and Tyrion's farewell. Jaime's revelation of Tysha and the subsequent "wherever whores go" and "she's been fucking Lancel" are, IMO, very important to their attitudes going forward! They can remedy Jaime's part easily, bringing Lancel back next year and him telling Jaime that because he's being penitent. But I don't see how Tyrion can figure out about Tysha.

OH SHIT!, i forgot about that revelation. Add that to the list; wow..how could they omit that
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 17, 2014, 11:24:10 AM: https://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/heres-one-thing-you-probably-didnt-notice-in-season-4-of-gam
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 17, 2014, 11:27:49 AM: That's pretty awesome!
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Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2014, 11:34:16 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 17, 2014, 11:24:10 AM
https://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/heres-one-thing-you-probably-didnt-notice-in-season-4-of-gam

Yup, us book readers saw that as a foreshadow (the dying on the shitter part made it quite obvious). Theres a few foreshadows in this show from the dialogue of other people.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 17, 2014, 12:18:34 PM: I imagine GRRM sitting around when all this started, thinking about Danaerys' story and where it's headed, knowing where it will eventually end up, but then thinking wait a second, there's a lot of other stuff I want to explore before she actually arrives in Westeros, and that'll take a while… how can I let her character stagnate for multiple seasons?

And that's when the bullshit that was Danaerys in season 4 (some of 3, too, and I imagine 5) came to be. Just my speculation, as a non-book reader who didn't enjoy her involvement in this season. I may be way off, and perhaps there is a perfectly good reason for why she's done very little but suck at ruling a city this season.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2014, 02:09:41 PM: I thought her storyline had been good up until she got to Mereen, both book and show up to this point. Not going to give my opinion of the bit more of what we know that happens in regards to her.

In general though, most of the storylines are very close or even practically at the same points in the books now. Lots of spoilers for book readers next season (unless Winds of WInter magically is written and released).
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 17, 2014, 02:47:01 PM: Quote from: abydos on June 17, 2014, 10:40:47 AM
If that guy knew he was going to die, why not send the fireball kid earlier to save him? :)
Becuase Jojen wouldn't have died then! :lol
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Post by: Genowyn on June 18, 2014, 06:54:28 AM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 17, 2014, 12:18:34 PM
perhaps there is a perfectly good reason for why she's done very little but suck at ruling a city this season.

This is when we are supposed to start noticing as an audience that while Dany is an excellent charismatic military leader, she is a terrible leader in peace time.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 18, 2014, 01:00:14 PM: Or that while she has talked about conquering and gaining back her birthright, she has zero experience at the actual ruling, politics and that stuff.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 18, 2014, 01:05:13 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 18, 2014, 06:54:28 AM
Quote from: senecadawg2 on June 17, 2014, 12:18:34 PM
perhaps there is a perfectly good reason for why she's done very little but suck at ruling a city this season.

This is when we are supposed to start noticing as an audience that while Dany is an excellent charismatic military leader, she is a terrible leader in peace time.
She should just fudgin' travel to Westeros and wreak havoc there. Back in season 2&3 she was the one that had me most excited and I was all like OMG WAR! I still remember her big army at the end of season 3 that had me going like "shit's gonna get real in season 4". Sadly, she didn't do much; but expel Jorah deeper into the friendzone, listen to ex-slaves' pleas, bang Daario and reconsider her whole motives. I haven't read the books, but I hope that she gets to make a good move in season 5.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 18, 2014, 01:38:50 PM: I haven't read the books, but my theory is that Jon Snow is Robert Baratheon's son. I think that he, the ice zombies, Dany and her dragons all converge upon King's Landing at the same time, hence, a Song of Ice and Fire. I think Jon and Dany hook up and "live happily ever after", even if that's a precarious notion in this material.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 18, 2014, 02:06:44 PM: ^ I don't think that the symbolism of King's Landing means anything to the White Walkers, I don't even think they even know it exists. And I don't even think it matters much to Jon at this point either.

And I believe Slaver's Bay is far enough away that even if Deanerys' first act in season 4 was to set sail for Westeros, I don't think she'd had arrived by the end of it. That doesn't really matter or contradict any of your statements, just a thought I had.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 18, 2014, 02:31:41 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 18, 2014, 02:06:44 PM
^ I don't think that the symbolism of King's Landing means anything to the White Walkers, I don't even think they even know it exists. And I don't even think it matters much to Jon at this point either.

And I believe Slaver's Bay is far enough away that even if Deanerys' first act in season 4 was to set sail for Westeros, I don't think she'd had arrived by the end of it. That doesn't really matter or contradict any of your statements, just a thought I had.

It's all good. Speculating and debating is fun.

I agree with your point that the White Walkers being indifferent to King's Landing. I just think that they go south, and that's as far as they make it, due to meeting the most resistance.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 18, 2014, 02:44:12 PM: Speaking of going south… the window is as open now for Stannis as it's ever been, with the Lannisters presumably in shambles following the death of Tywin. I wonder if he is going to meet resistance from the Boltons (their involvement would make sense given the increased emphasis on that house this past season). More likely, I would expect the Boltons to surrender at first sight. I've never liked Stannis but it was nice seeing him come in and save what was left of the Nights Watch.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2014, 02:45:42 PM: I dont think we can really say whether or not they have an idea of what kings landing is or what their goal is at this point. They seemed like zombies but that one scene this season made it look like they were a civilization. I dont see them going any more south than "winter" goes though as it seems they like the cold... or they are winter and bring the cold.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 18, 2014, 02:55:56 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 18, 2014, 02:45:42 PM
They seemed like zombies but that one scene this season made it look like they were a civilization.

I don't know this for certain, as I haven't read the books, but I do think there is a distinction between White Walkers (aka Others?) and whites (the ones that act more like zombies). The White Walkers control/command the whites, and are sentient, but the whites are not? I believe it's something like that, but I could be way off. If so, it would be the White Walkers that we saw in the scene you're talking about, and they do have some sort of order/organization or maybe even civilization.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 18, 2014, 03:07:02 PM: The White Walkers for sure are not zombies, they are very different from the wights (the real zombies and slaves to them) and have some kind of civilization. As for what they want, no one has any idea, but I do believe they're very misunderstood.

For all we know they could be rising because they "sensed" the coming of dragons and want to protect their lands from the death and destruction they will surely bring.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 18, 2014, 03:10:45 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 18, 2014, 03:07:02 PM
they're very misunderstood.

well.....they do seem super human........

;D
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Post by: BlackInk on June 19, 2014, 08:56:12 AM: I don't really know about the 'sensing the dragons' thing. I mean, there was a whole bunch of dragons in Westeros less than three hundred years ago, and there was no reaction on their part.

Also, it definetely seems like they have a fully developed civilization. The reason I don't think they know about King's Landing is because they haven't really been to those areas in over eight thousand years. And King's Landing is only 300 years old.
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Post by: kári on June 19, 2014, 11:31:07 AM: Definitely not sensing the dragons, they were well 'awake' before the dragon eggs hatched, right?

I haven't read the books but I always thought that laid dormant under the ice far north and thawed because of the extremely long summer.
Since it will be a long and cold winter, maybe they can take back the land they have lost when the wall was built. Or something.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 19, 2014, 03:04:07 PM: One theory is that there is a magical 'climate' which changes over centuries. For a while the magic level had been low, but as of the time of the show the magic level is rising again - hence the re-emergence of dragons and Others/White Walkers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2014, 03:52:41 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 19, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
One theory is that there is a magical 'climate' which changes over centuries. For a while the magic level had been low, but as of the time of the show the magic level is rising again - hence the re-emergence of dragons and Others/White Walkers.

Ive seen this talked about. I guess its possible, id rather a real motive by the white walkers and Danearys having some real Targ blood in her that has allowed her to make babies, but with the whole black magic in thie births plus everything with Melisandre and the Lord of Light in general, there is a lot more to magic going on in general.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 19, 2014, 04:38:03 PM: The birth of her dragons were a completely one-off magical event. Other Targaryens had tried to bring back dragons in the 150 years since the last dragon died.

Praying, drinking wildfire, burning dragon eggs, nothing worked. Nothing until Dany gave "death for life".
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Post by: kári on June 20, 2014, 12:44:08 AM: So why couldn't it happen again then?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2014, 03:31:01 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 19, 2014, 04:38:03 PM
The birth of her dragons were a completely one-off magical event. Other Targaryens had tried to bring back dragons in the 150 years since the last dragon died.

Praying, drinking wildfire, burning dragon eggs, nothing worked. Nothing until Dany gave "death for life".

Or maybe the other Targs didnt have her ability. She doesnt burn while her brother did. She made note of that in the show, he did not have the dragons blood. While I think the black magic definitely played a part, her own blood also played a part.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 20, 2014, 05:17:05 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 20, 2014, 03:31:01 AM
She doesnt burn while her brother did. She made note of that in the show, he did not have the dragons blood.
And that's exactly why it was a one-off, completely magical event. GRRM himself had said that neither Targaryens nor Dany have that "special ability", that just happens once. You seen how that has NEVER been brought back again in the show?

GRRM quotes on it:

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Lastly, some fans are reading too much into the scene in GAME OF THRONES where the dragons are born -- which is to say, it was never the case that all Targaryens are immune to all fire at all times.

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Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.

Now, why they made a point of showing her not burning in a bath of hot water and while grabbing the piping hot dragon eggs (stuff that never happened in the books), because they had to make you think that she wasn't suicidal and insane when she walked into the pyre at the end of the season.

And in a scene in ADwD, Drogon's BREATH is enough to blister Dany's hands. I don't think she's that immune to fire either.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2014, 05:35:37 AM: Thanks, I remember seeing that before, maybe even having that same discussion here. I just want it to be more than "oh magic is coming back"

ANyway...

https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/19/showbiz/tv/game-of-thrones-illegal-downloads/index.html?hpt=hp_t5 (https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/19/showbiz/tv/game-of-thrones-illegal-downloads/index.html?hpt=hp_t5)

Ill admit I am one of those, but I do have an HBO subscription, just cant stream it while I am out of the country for work. The show just keeps getting bigger and bigger which is crazy.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 21, 2014, 03:28:45 AM: I'm also a bit sad to see the Horn of Winter missing from Mance's tent. Although, they haven't really built that up at all in the show like they have in the books, even though it's just few references.

The season finale convinced me not to continue reading the books. I knew almost everything that would happen in the finale and it sort of lost it's weight that way. Tywin's death would have been a real WTF-moment, one that was completely lost on me now that I had read about it. I'll now go back to reading the books after the show.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2014, 04:53:24 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 21, 2014, 03:28:45 AM
I'm also a bit sad to see the Horn of Winter missing from Mance's tent. Although, they haven't really built that up at all in the show like they have in the books, even though it's just few references.
Yeah, me too.
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Post by: Zydar on June 24, 2014, 04:16:21 AM: A guy does great impressions of the GoT male characters from season 4.

Spoilers, I guess:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os)
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Post by: Bolsters on June 24, 2014, 05:06:01 AM: Quote from: Zydar on June 24, 2014, 04:16:21 AM
A guy does great impressions of the GoT male characters from season 4.

Spoilers, I guess:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os)
That's very impressive.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 24, 2014, 05:16:05 AM: Very nice :tup
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Post by: Xenon on June 25, 2014, 08:02:52 PM: I'm the only one that finds John Wesley of Porcupine tree as an older version of Jon Snow? ;D
Also for some reason Roose Bolton reminds me of Putin.
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Post by: Dark Castle on June 25, 2014, 08:07:22 PM: Eh, aside from the hair, completely different faces.
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Post by: Xenon on June 25, 2014, 09:01:33 PM: Quote from: Dark Castle on June 25, 2014, 08:07:22 PM
Eh, aside from the hair, completely different faces.
You are right, but for some reason everytime I read the books I picture John Wesley there.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 26, 2014, 03:19:20 AM: That was great!
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Post by: Zydar on June 27, 2014, 04:47:48 AM: Oberyn takes his revenge:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZN8cUoV.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/FSD7zOt.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZbMGaIL.gif)
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Post by: Podaar on June 27, 2014, 07:21:13 AM: :rollin
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Post by: soundgarden on June 27, 2014, 08:23:39 AM: Quote from: Zydar on June 24, 2014, 04:16:21 AM
A guy does great impressions of the GoT male characters from season 4.

Spoilers, I guess:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os)

wow, very nice
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2014, 08:23:47 AM: :lol
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Post by: ariich on June 28, 2014, 07:05:13 AM: Quote from: Bolsters on June 24, 2014, 05:06:01 AM
Quote from: Zydar on June 24, 2014, 04:16:21 AM
A guy does great impressions of the GoT male characters from season 4.

Spoilers, I guess:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os)
That's very impressive.
Have to say, I don't find it all that impressive, he gets the tone of voice right, but the accents are mostly a bit off.
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Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2014, 06:42:01 AM: Am I the only one who understood that it wasn't the burned child skeleton which "came from the sky"? Everyone seems to believe that it's raining burned corpses. Does a skeleton of a little girl classify as "the winged shadow"?
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Post by: RuRoRul on July 10, 2014, 06:51:43 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on July 10, 2014, 06:42:01 AM
Am I the only one who understood that it wasn't the burned child skeleton which "came from the sky"? Everyone seems to believe that it's raining burned corpses. Does a skeleton of a little girl classify as "the winged shadow"?
I can't really unnderstand how anyone could come away thinking that :lol "He came from the sky", as in the dragon, and killed the kid. That was why she locked up the other two dragons (Drogon is still out there roaming wild)...
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Post by: ariich on July 10, 2014, 06:58:12 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on July 10, 2014, 06:51:43 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on July 10, 2014, 06:42:01 AM
Am I the only one who understood that it wasn't the burned child skeleton which "came from the sky"? Everyone seems to believe that it's raining burned corpses. Does a skeleton of a little girl classify as "the winged shadow"?
I can't really unnderstand how anyone could come away thinking that :lol "He came from the sky", as in the dragon, and killed the kid. That was why she locked up the other two dragons (Drogon is still out there roaming wild)...
Wait, who thinks otherwise? Obviously it was the dragon.
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Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2014, 07:27:39 AM: I just read it in the synopsis someone posted of the episode on IMDb. I also heard it in a YouTube review recently. And since I doubt they are the same people, apparently it's a thing to have understood it that way.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2014, 07:58:21 AM: Im confused as to what you guys are talking about, but from facebook:

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*CLINK*
Raise a glass & congratulate Game of Thrones, Peter Dinklage, Diana Rigg & Lena Headey on their 2014 Emmy nominations.
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Post by: Accelerando on July 18, 2014, 03:53:44 AM: :omg:

Guys, guys, guys! Watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHhhLuPN7Qo

:hefdaddy
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Post by: BlackInk on July 18, 2014, 08:07:47 AM: The intrument playing was cool, but I thought it was really disappointing that he kept going with the really low voice. I wish he would have at least raised it an octave.
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Post by: Accelerando on July 18, 2014, 04:30:56 PM: I felt it stayed true to the original song, but yeah i agree to an extent it would've been way epic if his vocals got a bit higher. It now makes me want Roy Khan to take a shot at this
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Post by: masterthes on July 25, 2014, 08:51:20 PM: JONATHAN FRIGGIN PRYCE NEXT SEASON!!! :metal
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Post by: Genowyn on July 25, 2014, 09:37:48 PM: Arianne? Greyjoys? Shavepate?

If they seriously kept Areo Hotah in the show and cut, say, Victarion, then I don't even...

I know there's still plenty of time for casting announcements, but geez.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 26, 2014, 05:22:06 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 25, 2014, 09:37:48 PM
Arianne? Greyjoys? Shavepate?

If they seriously kept Areo Hotah in the show and cut, say, Victarion, then I don't even...

I know there's still plenty of time for casting announcements, but geez.

Ask and you shall receive

https://winteriscoming.net/2014/07/25/new-cast-members-game-thrones-season-5-announced/ (https://winteriscoming.net/2014/07/25/new-cast-members-game-thrones-season-5-announced/)

sadly no greyjoys or arianne
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Post by: RuRoRul on July 26, 2014, 05:44:56 AM: Yeah, the fact that there is no Arianne Martell makes me hopeful that this cast list doesn't mean Greyjoys are cut. They surely won't have the Dorne storyline but cut the main POV character down there (as well as the main example to show the different inheritance laws in Dorne which should be important for the storyline if they still want to crown Myrcella), so I've got to assume the new cast list is incomplete and still missing some major roles.

Also no "Griff" or "Young Griff" cast. Even though Yezzan is cast so Tyrion's story will pass the point where he meets them. Either some major roles cast have still to be announced or there are some major storyline cuts coming. Obviously I don't know what happens eventually so don't know which storylines are most expendable, but I definitely wouldn't have picked the Greyjoy story to cut - it's one of the best stories of books 4 and 5 and then one with the most momentum.
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Post by: bertoltus on July 26, 2014, 08:59:37 AM: I'm not an expert for this, but maybe they approached specific actors for the Greyjoy storyline and are still negotiating. After all, most of the Dorne characters are rather young, while I imagined Euron and Victarion as men in their forties, or at least looking like it due to their lifestyle.
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 26, 2014, 10:31:12 AM: The fact that either of the Griffs and no Greyjoys were annoucned gives me hope that GRRM may release TWoW without the show spoiling too much of the story going forward. That is of course if the show doesn't cut those people, which I cannot believe they'll do.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on July 26, 2014, 10:40:40 AM: How old was Oberyn when he started spawning beautiful daughters? 8? 9? Most of those women look like they could/should be his sisters :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 26, 2014, 10:47:07 AM: 14 :lol
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Post by: senecadawg2 on July 26, 2014, 12:16:45 PM: Lol. I'm still pissed that he didn't wear a helmet :(
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Post by: Podaar on July 28, 2014, 07:38:14 AM: Jonathan Pryce should be able to add just the right amount of "ick" to his character. I'll look forward to it!!

:coolio
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Post by: Genowyn on July 31, 2014, 12:43:11 AM: They describe Trystane as being Doran's heir which means we get no Arianne OR Quentyn.

Now, Quentyn we didn't necessarily need, and maybe they're planning to merge Arianne with Myrcella (hence the recast) and Trystane with Quentyn?

A funny comment from westeros.org re: Manderly: "Lord Too-Fat-to-Make-the-Cast". There is some hope we might get him and some other Northern characters (and IRONBORN?!) later this year since filming for the North doesn't start until later.

People seem nervous over there for the Griffs, too, but there is a chance we might have Young Griff introduced the same way as Ramsay: an unnamed character whose casting is unannounced, and whose importance is not revealed until much later in the season.

Or we could be looking at "Porn Dorne" next year as some people are calling it.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2014, 05:56:01 AM: It should also be noted that George RR Martin stated he will have nothing to do with the 5th season of the show which is kind of important. He wrote at least one episode every season including the battle at Blackwater Bay. He also contributed to cast selection and worked with the writers/creators of the show.

He stated his reason was to focus on the new book, but I wonder if the show is going to start to diverge a lot next year and that he does not want to be involved anymore (those are just my thoughts). The leaving out of Arianne seems like a really big change from the books and the fact that we dont yet have any ironborn cast also is a big difference as those were big parts of AFFC. I still think the show will be great, but Im not feeling like there is going to be much similarity between the books and shows from here on out (and since we dont have any new books I guess we wont be able to confirm if the show and book are following the same path anyway).
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 31, 2014, 08:08:11 AM: I think people are overreacting over those castings. Just because they didn't show Arianne (though that description for Trystane is worrisome), Greyjoys or the Griffs doesn't mean they're cut. Do they not realize how much story there's to tell about Jaime, Cersei, Arya, Sam, Jon and Daenerys?

They could easily not show up until next season.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 31, 2014, 08:25:21 AM: True. That, combined with the fact that I trust the show's producers completely = hef is not worried.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 31, 2014, 09:11:16 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on July 31, 2014, 08:08:11 AM
I think people are overreacting over those castings. Just because they didn't show Arianne (though that description for Trystane is worrisome), Greyjoys or the Griffs doesn't mean they're cut. Do they not realize how much story there's to tell about Jaime, Cersei, Arya, Sam, Jon and Daenerys?

They could easily not show up until next season.

There have been some troubling comments from D&D, particularly one about how they don't want to let the cast grow anymore. Considering how many new characters show up in Feast and Dance, I'm not sure how they intend to pull that off without cutting a lot of people.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 31, 2014, 11:44:07 AM: A lot of people have already been cut through natural attrition.
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Post by: RuRoRul on July 31, 2014, 01:43:08 PM: Yeah after hearing a bit more (particularly that Trystane was described as the heir to Dorne) I am convinced Arriane Martell could be cut.

(Potential unmarked minor spoilers could follow - not of any major events though, just some of my opinions on new characters and stories)

I'm not too bothered about losing her as a character, but if it's true I think it's a strange decision. It doesn't seem like the natural cutting down on characters (which I'm all for). The Dorne storyline (and the Greyjoy storyline funnily enough) is told in a rather unfocused way through 3 POV characters, but Arriane Martell is basically the main POV character for it in the books so far. The Sand Snakes are basically there to add colour and Trystane is like the Rickon of Dorne - yet they cast Trystane and 3 Sand Snakes.

My guess is the reason behind it is they wanted to add as many of Oberyn Martell's daughters as possible to cash in on the Oberyn love. Obara Sand will probably fulfill Arriane Martell's role in the story.

I understand why they'd do that, but it disappoints me for a couple of reasons: 1. The different inheritance laws (gender neutral) make Dorne a bit different and interesting (and may be important for the plot), and having the heir to Dorne be a woman does a better job of making that point than repeated exposition. 2. It raises doubts about them referencing any marriage alliances or planning future ones, which I thought were important for Doran's plans and the Dorne story in general. Dorne may not look down on bastards, but that doesn't mean they are as worthy a match as the heir to Dorne for someone like Viserys, or (f)Aegon.

I'm all for the show making changes and cuts, and seeing the show's changes to A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons (which I think have some awfully meandering storylines which are in need of the focusing and tightening the TV show would bring) was one of the main things I was looking forward to. But I think I may need to recalibrate my expectations in terms of how different things will be, especially with the 7 seasons plan. In season 2 and 3, a storyline like Arya getting captured and then wandering around in the Riverlands was distilled to the essentials and received an awesome show-only addition (interactions with Tywin), and I was looking forward to seeing some storylines from books 4 and 5 get the same treatment. But now I think that any storyline that doesn't serve the endgame or complicates things unnecessarily will get completely cut (Quentyn, Aegon, possibly the Greyjoys, which is a shame since it's one of my favourite from books 4 and 5) and the existing stories will have a lot more differences / additions, and be a lot quicker paced.

Anyway, whatever differences may be coming I'm looking forward to it greatly. I love the intricacy and depth of the books which obviously a TV show can't match, but I think the show deals with the essential story and characters even better.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 31, 2014, 05:14:51 PM: But if Dany is the 'main' storyline, then certainly Euron and Victarion are important. We can lose Damphair I guess, he doesn't matter than much, but The Iron Captain and Crow's Eye are pretty major characters. Quent only seemed to exist in the books to give us an extra POV in Meereen/Volantis, which the show doesn't need, so I'm not too worried about him, either. But Arianne being cut (unless someone else takes her place) seems to be a pretty strong indicator that we'll end up with Griffs being cut.

I've heard the show plans to cut Volantis (not sure of the veracity of that), which might make sense if they plan to cut Vic and they don't need to introduce Moqorro.

It's also sort of troubling that, if, say, the Ironborns and Griffs are cut, and D&D know about the endgame, that seems to indicate these characters don't seem to matter in the long term story of the books either... Unlike, say, Mago, who was killed off unnecessarily but can just be replaced by pretty much any random Dothraki in the TV show later on, in the books Martin seems to be building up these characters as major players in the future, by completely cutting their storylines it would seem to indicate that they are not.

edit: On a lighter note:

(https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/Genowyn/original.jpg)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 27, 2014, 06:27:42 AM: Game of Thrones Season 4: Comic-Con 2014 Panel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhDGkSqtOzE)

Contains no spoilers for S5 just so you know. John Bradley is pretty funny.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 27, 2014, 06:58:19 AM: Quote from: Accelerando on July 18, 2014, 03:53:44 AM
:omg:

Guys, guys, guys! Watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHhhLuPN7Qo

:hefdaddy
Pretty cool I think this tops it slightly though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTrRT-ZpY28
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Post by: Xenon on August 27, 2014, 07:29:28 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 27, 2014, 06:27:42 AM
Game of Thrones Season 4: Comic-Con 2014 Panel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhDGkSqtOzE)

Contains no spoilers for S5 just so you know. John Bradley is pretty funny.
Oh god Rose Leslie it's so beautiful :heart
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 02, 2014, 01:59:30 AM: https://www.zimbio.com/quiz/hpbWxCCmzMR/Game+Thrones+Character?result=cjNVCLxxBWE

(https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/LypCatsTCBGl.jpg)

Yea yea that's great and all but soon or later I still get my head choped off....
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Post by: Bolsters on September 02, 2014, 02:03:23 AM: (https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/UsYBfDg_V7nl.jpg)
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Post by: Zydar on September 02, 2014, 02:03:46 AM: Don't lose your head over these results.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 02, 2014, 02:10:35 AM: (https://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/nicolascageconfusedemotions.gif)
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Post by: Progmetty on October 03, 2014, 08:11:15 AM: My wife had finally talked me into watching this show even though I've always found anything with a medieval European look so dull and avoided tons of other shows she watches because of that. But anyway this was too critically acclaimed to brush off so I binged on it the last couple of weeks and wasn't disappointed, great show.
I was crushed when Joffery died, my hopes had driven me to believe a scenario where he falls prisoner to Ramsay Bolton at some point were too great heh
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Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2014, 09:39:03 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on October 03, 2014, 08:11:15 AM
My wife had finally talked me into watching this show even though I've always found anything with a medieval European look so dull and avoided tons of other shows she watches because of that. But anyway this was too critically acclaimed to brush off so I binged on it the last couple of weeks and wasn't disappointed, great show.
I was crushed when Joffery died, my hopes had driven me to believe a scenario where he falls prisoner to Ramsay Bolton at some point were too great heh

My coworker was just like you. He said he didnt care for it because he wasnt into the medieval fantasy aspect, regardless he gave it a shot and in two weeks was all caught up and loving it.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 03, 2014, 10:17:02 AM: I can't believe we're getting new episodes until April. That breaks my heart.
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Post by: FracturedMirror on October 03, 2014, 10:26:17 AM: (https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/KxeZPEtDm2sl.jpg)
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Post by: Progmetty on October 03, 2014, 10:30:04 AM: ^ It's not just that, it's also that you only get 10 episodes per season, were among things I didn't like about watching this while it's still running as oppose to waiting for it to be done and just binging.
I wish The Walking Dead was an HBO show so they would get better actors, better writers and more freedom with the show instead of all the dimwits AMC has working on it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 03, 2014, 03:22:25 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on October 03, 2014, 10:30:04 AM

I wish The Walking Dead was an HBO show

HBO was approached before AMC for The Walking Dead. They turned it down....I'm sure they regret that decision. It'd have been interesting to see the difference for sure because they'd likely have trimmed the fat in the episodes assuming they'd have stuck with the 10 episode deal they have going like GoT....or even True Detective and The Leftovers only had 8 episodes. TWD gets 16 episodes on AMC but IMO only 12 or 13 of them are worth a :censored each season and there is a ton of 'wasted' screen time in the episodes as well. But I do like the show a lot.

That's the one thing that has always impressed me with the Got episodes.....they really don't waste a second on those shows....doing an excellent job moving the story along of multiple different characters. Very well done.
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Post by: Progmetty on October 06, 2014, 03:24:17 PM: I agree, no filler in GoT. I keep comparing to Walking Dead because it's the only other current show I watch and because they're both based on books, which would normally provide the amazing advantage of knowing where the plot is going a long time in advance instead of the rest of dumpster shows on TV where writers just make shit up as they go from season to season. Unfortunately I think Walking Dead still fell into the hands of dumb ass writers that usually have no idea what's gonna happen the following year and it shows.
Another thing I like about GoT is that the writers/creator don't use tool characters, tool is just what I call one dimensional character written and forced in the show to serve a sole purpose before dying or leaving, like the woman Tyrese fell in love with for an episode then got killed to turn Tyrese from a peaceful dumbfuck to a raging dumbfuck, there are usually at least one tool per Walking Dead season. Although a case can be made that Robb Stark's wife was a tool to facilitate the breaking of his oath to Walder Frey and all the consequences of that.
A thought on the subject of the show's pace going faster than the books: if HBO was to respect the epic that it introduced to us and how worthy the wait shall be; they wouldn't rush Martin to finish the books cause that will undoubtedly reflect on the quality of the writing so I think the best case scenario is for GoT to go on a year hiatus or even two if it needs to, to allow Martin to finish the books comfortably, I know some fans will be pissed off but I think waiting is better than any compromise on this epic, people wait on movie sequels just the same and I would appreciate and respect that action.
I do trust and like the two show running guys but I can't tell if they could really go into "make stuff up on our own" mode, even if Martin gave them guidelines on where the overall plot is going.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 06, 2014, 03:45:29 PM: They've already gone into that mode. Robb's wife was a complete fabrication on their part if I can mentioned one thing.

And they know where the story is headed, the showrunners and GRRM have both stated this. The scene with the white walker baby has never been appeared in the books but I bet it was them knowing that part of the story ahead of us (Martin has said that the next book will delve deeper into the white walkers).
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Post by: Progmetty on October 06, 2014, 03:56:19 PM: I didn't know Robb's wife was not in the books, makes sense how she was a tool then heh, but that really makes me wonder what triggered Robb's fate in the books then, I need to buy them soon.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2014, 04:06:31 PM: Rob's wife is in the books, just a completely different character and does not die in the Red Wedding (wasnt present). What happens to her in the books is unknown and GRRM stated she makes an appearance in the next book, but at what role? Who knows, maybe she just gets killed off. But her being the reason for betrayal of the Frey's is still true in both book and show.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 06, 2014, 04:30:35 PM: Yeah, sorry I didn't make that clearer. Robb's wife in the books (Jeyne) and show (Talisa) are completely different characters in race, ethnicity and attitude but their marriage is still the reason the RW happened.
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Post by: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 09:48:50 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on October 06, 2014, 04:30:35 PM
Yeah, sorry I didn't make that clearer. Robb's wife in the books (Jeyne) and show (Talisa) are completely different characters in race, ethnicity and attitude but their marriage is still the reason the RW happened.
I like better the books version, it shows a bit more Robb's personality and resemblance with his father.
But on the other hand in the shows we have Oona Chaplin :hefdaddy
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 06, 2014, 10:51:11 PM: One of the main reasons I didn't mind the change was Oona Chaplin's ass! :lol
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Post by: ariich on October 07, 2014, 02:37:13 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on October 06, 2014, 04:30:35 PM
Yeah, sorry I didn't make that clearer. Robb's wife in the books (Jeyne) and show (Talisa) are completely different characters in race, ethnicity and attitude but their marriage is still the reason the RW happened.
Which is all that matters really.
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Post by: BlackInk on December 19, 2014, 05:23:17 PM: The official 'Game of Thrones' YouTube channel has begun posting those little behind the scenes clips, and that 'The Raven Brings the Sight' stuff is starting to be promoted more on their Facebook page. It seems as if they're ramping up for some actual news pretty soon, and I am very excited for it.
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Post by: Prog Snob on December 19, 2014, 11:36:39 PM: I was wondering when we should start getting some snippets and promos. It's almost January already. :D
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Post by: cramx3 on December 20, 2014, 08:55:27 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on December 19, 2014, 11:36:39 PM
I was wondering when we should start getting some snippets and promos. It's almost January already. :D

Yes, Winter is coming... :biggrin:
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Post by: abydos on December 20, 2014, 11:28:37 AM: Global Warming cancels Winter due to low ratings.
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Post by: Prog Snob on December 21, 2014, 03:33:40 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on December 20, 2014, 08:55:27 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on December 19, 2014, 11:36:39 PM
I was wondering when we should start getting some snippets and promos. It's almost January already. :D

Yes, Winter is coming... :biggrin:

:lol
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Post by: BlackInk on December 21, 2014, 11:54:05 AM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IMLt-fRIuw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IMLt-fRIuw)

A sort of trailer for HBO stuff coming in 2015. Towards the end there are four quick shots from the upcoming season. It isn't much, but you know... It's something for now.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 06, 2015, 08:08:32 AM: Apparently HBO will be showing season 4 on the big screen in IMAX at the end of the month, and it will include a trailer for season 5.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 06, 2015, 08:34:43 AM: It's starting to itch, that's for sure.
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Post by: ariich on January 06, 2015, 08:51:43 AM: Looking forward to it, now that I've caught up on the books!

Is there any info out there on how far Season 5 will go in terms of the books? I'm assuming it'll be approximately Feast plus some of Dance, but that's purely a guess. I was wondering if there's any actual info out there.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2015, 08:54:54 AM: Quote from: ariich on January 06, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
Looking forward to it, now that I've caught up on the books!

Is there any info out there on how far Season 5 will go in terms of the books? I'm assuming it'll be approximately Feast plus some of Dance, but that's purely a guess. I was wondering if there's any actual info out there.

I believe it may go up all the way through Dance. It seems theyve cut out the Iron Islands and there are pictures of Tyrion with Dany on the internet. Im not sure if they will cover every characters arc to the end of Dance, but I would say they get very far into it, also they filmed the walk of shame.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 06, 2015, 08:58:33 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 06, 2015, 08:54:54 AM
Quote from: ariich on January 06, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
Looking forward to it, now that I've caught up on the books!

Is there any info out there on how far Season 5 will go in terms of the books? I'm assuming it'll be approximately Feast plus some of Dance, but that's purely a guess. I was wondering if there's any actual info out there.

I believe it may go up all the way through Dance. It seems theyve cut out the Iron Islands and there are pictures of Tyrion with Dany on the internet. Im not sure if they will cover every characters arc to the end of Dance, but I would say they get very far into it, also they filmed the walk of shame.
I do wish that they aren't taking out the Iron Islands and just letting them sit on the sidelines until next year, I wouldn't be happy if the last we see of the Iron Islands is Asha/Yara running from the Dreadfort.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2015, 09:04:18 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on January 06, 2015, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 06, 2015, 08:54:54 AM
Quote from: ariich on January 06, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
Looking forward to it, now that I've caught up on the books!

Is there any info out there on how far Season 5 will go in terms of the books? I'm assuming it'll be approximately Feast plus some of Dance, but that's purely a guess. I was wondering if there's any actual info out there.

I believe it may go up all the way through Dance. It seems theyve cut out the Iron Islands and there are pictures of Tyrion with Dany on the internet. Im not sure if they will cover every characters arc to the end of Dance, but I would say they get very far into it, also they filmed the walk of shame.
I do wish that they aren't taking out the Iron Islands and just letting them sit on the sidelines until next year, I wouldn't be happy if the last we see of the Iron Islands is Asha/Yara running from the Dreadfort.

If thats the case, the writers really butchered them, but I think thats unlikely as she needs to get back to Theon, but who knows since we dont know how the story ends in terms of the Greyjoys
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 06, 2015, 09:53:46 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 06, 2015, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on January 06, 2015, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 06, 2015, 08:54:54 AM
Quote from: ariich on January 06, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
Looking forward to it, now that I've caught up on the books!

Is there any info out there on how far Season 5 will go in terms of the books? I'm assuming it'll be approximately Feast plus some of Dance, but that's purely a guess. I was wondering if there's any actual info out there.

I believe it may go up all the way through Dance. It seems theyve cut out the Iron Islands and there are pictures of Tyrion with Dany on the internet. Im not sure if they will cover every characters arc to the end of Dance, but I would say they get very far into it, also they filmed the walk of shame.
I do wish that they aren't taking out the Iron Islands and just letting them sit on the sidelines until next year, I wouldn't be happy if the last we see of the Iron Islands is Asha/Yara running from the Dreadfort.

If thats the case, the writers really butchered them, but I think thats unlikely as she needs to get back to Theon, but who knows since we dont know how the story ends in terms of the Greyjoys
In my wishiest of wishes this is the showrunners giving GRRM time to release TWoW by holding the Iron Islands for another year.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 06, 2015, 09:59:49 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on January 06, 2015, 08:08:32 AM
Apparently HBO will be showing season 4 on the big screen in IMAX at the end of the month, and it will include a trailer for season 5.
For clarity, it isn't all of season 4, it is the last two episodes.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2015, 10:21:00 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 06, 2015, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on January 06, 2015, 08:08:32 AM
Apparently HBO will be showing season 4 on the big screen in IMAX at the end of the month, and it will include a trailer for season 5.
For clarity, it isn't all of season 4, it is the last two episodes.

The battle at the wall would be amazing in IMAX. Im a huge fan, but I dont see myself taking the time and money though to see it.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2015, 03:06:57 PM: Quote from: ariich on January 06, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
Looking forward to it, now that I've caught up on the books!

Is there any info out there on how far Season 5 will go in terms of the books? I'm assuming it'll be approximately Feast plus some of Dance, but that's purely a guess. I was wondering if there's any actual info out there.

Not meaning to double post, but I just read this and it sums up pretty well a lot of what we know about season 5.... lots of spoilers so beware:

https://www.denofgeek.us/tv/game-of-thrones/240575/everything-we-know-about-game-of-thrones-season-5 (https://www.denofgeek.us/tv/game-of-thrones/240575/everything-we-know-about-game-of-thrones-season-5)
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Post by: ariich on January 07, 2015, 02:26:38 AM: Good stuff, thanks Cram.

My only worry is that things get a bit rushed now. I do think Seasons 3 and 4 were a bit too slow, but after they took 2 seasons to do 1 book, now apparently trying to get through 2 books in 1 season just seems a bit quick. I appreciate they can truncate some of the stories though, and I'll admit that some of the sub-plots in those books didn't seem to really go anywhere. So we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 07, 2015, 06:13:32 AM: Much like Marvel Studios, I will trust them until they give me reason not to do so.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2015, 07:09:10 AM: Quote from: ariich on January 07, 2015, 02:26:38 AM
Good stuff, thanks Cram.

My only worry is that things get a bit rushed now. I do think Seasons 3 and 4 were a bit too slow, but after they took 2 seasons to do 1 book, now apparently trying to get through 2 books in 1 season just seems a bit quick. I appreciate they can truncate some of the stories though, and I'll admit that some of the sub-plots in those books didn't seem to really go anywhere. So we'll just have to wait and see.

I actually thought the opposite, the first two seasons were slower and the last two were faster paced. You can say it took two seasons to cover 1 book, but thats not entirely true as a lot of Dance is included in season 4 and also that one book happens to be the biggest and most action packed book whereas Feast and Dance are very slow paced books.

Regardless...

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 07, 2015, 06:13:32 AM
Much like Marvel Studios, I will trust them until they give me reason not to do so.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2015, 05:43:40 PM: Season 5 premiere date officially announced, april 12th!
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Post by: Progmetty on January 09, 2015, 06:20:24 PM: Have they announced which IMAX locations yet?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 10, 2015, 05:08:39 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on January 09, 2015, 06:20:24 PM
Have they announced which IMAX locations yet?
No. I am patiently waiting.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2015, 07:58:11 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on January 08, 2015, 05:43:40 PM
Season 5 premiere date officially announced, april 12th!

And on a side note, Silicon Valley will be airing right after. Sunday nights are going to be awesome!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 10, 2015, 08:22:01 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 10, 2015, 07:58:11 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on January 08, 2015, 05:43:40 PM
Season 5 premiere date officially announced, april 12th!

And on a side note, Silicon Valley will be airing right after. Sunday nights are going to be awesome!
And VEEP. Even more awesome! :metal
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 30, 2015, 01:53:54 PM: Going to the IMAX show tonight! :metal
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 30, 2015, 01:57:37 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 30, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
Going to the IMAX show tonight! :metal

Enjoy it!
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Post by: BlackInk on January 30, 2015, 04:04:06 PM: Trailer for season 5 is also out now, and it's great. I should probably not have seen it, since it can reveal some things if one analyses it as closely as I can't stop myself from doing. But it's all fine, because it's awesome.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 30, 2015, 04:35:12 PM: Cool but I probably won't see it. I usually avoid trailers for ongoing tv shows.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2015, 10:23:00 PM: Pretty intense trailer and definitely has one hint that book readers may find spoilerish. Im pumped for this season and the new book wont be out in 2015 so might as well continue the story on this medium.
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Post by: Progmetty on January 30, 2015, 11:27:28 PM: Just saw it at the IMAX theater, what an amazing couple of episodes to see on the big screen! And they did such an amazing job transferring it to the IMAX format.
As we were walking into the theater I yelled out "Night gathers!" and a whole bunch of people replied "And now my watch begins" :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 31, 2015, 04:05:21 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on January 30, 2015, 11:27:28 PM
Just saw it at the IMAX theater, what an amazing couple of episodes to see on the big screen! And they did such an amazing job transferring it to the IMAX format.
As we were walking into the theater I yelled out "Night gathers!" and a whole bunch of people replied "And now my watch begins" :lol
I didn't do any yelling, but I agree, the transfer to IMAX was fantastic, especially on "The Watchers on the Wall." The scope of that episode really lent itself well to the new format.

But I think the best thing about the transfer was the sound. That was really awesome in the IMAX theater.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 31, 2015, 04:11:33 AM: Man I wish I could be there to see it.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 02, 2015, 06:38:14 AM: Just started re-watching S04 and it still holds you on the edge. Ep 1 is such a good season opener!

Edit: Goddamn I love this show!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 08, 2015, 04:47:47 AM: Game of Thrones: A Day In The Life tonight on HBO at 7:30 (https://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones#/game-of-thrones/about/video/season-5-a-day-in-the-life-of-production-promo.html/eNrjcmbOYM5nLtQsy0xJzXfMS8ypLMlMds7PK0mtKFHPz0mBCQUkpqf6JeamcjIyskknlpbkF+QkVtqWFJWmsjGyMQIAWCcXOA==)
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Post by: BlackInk on February 08, 2015, 10:15:44 AM: I hope they post it online, for those of us who doesn't have HBO, or live where 7:30PM there is 1:30AM here.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2015, 06:24:31 AM: Well, it was only 30 minutes long, but it was fun.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 09, 2015, 06:25:20 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on February 08, 2015, 10:15:44 AM
I hope they post it online, for those of us who doesn't have HBO, or live where 7:30PM there is 1:30AM here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Mi17nLflY&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: BlackInk on February 09, 2015, 06:49:24 AM: Yeah, like hef said, short but fun. April can't come soon enough.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2015, 07:03:09 AM: Found it fairly boring, but I am interested in the inclusion of Hardhome this season.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 09, 2015, 07:05:44 AM: As a book reader, everytime I watch shots of the Real Alcázar I'm just amaze! Not only is it just a stunning place but it also fits exactly what I imagine the Water Gardens to look like and I can't wait to see it in the show!

Also, real interested in seeing what will happen in Hardhome! An obvious deviation from the books so maybe no Jon Snow being stabbed this year.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 11, 2015, 07:59:34 AM: S04E07 Even though I know that it didn't exactly go as planned I love the whole scene with Oberyon and Tyrion in the cell when Tyrion gets emotional and Obyreon says he wants to fight for him. Just a great scene!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 11, 2015, 08:12:10 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 11, 2015, 07:59:34 AM
S04E07 Even though I know that it didn't exactly go as planned I love the whole scene with Oberyon and Tyrion in the cell when Tyrion gets emotional and Obyreon says he wants to fight for him. Just a great scene!
I agree, that was fantastic.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 11, 2015, 12:07:04 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 11, 2015, 08:12:10 AM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 11, 2015, 07:59:34 AM
S04E07 Even though I know that it didn't exactly go as planned I love the whole scene with Oberyon and Tyrion in the cell when Tyrion gets emotional and Obyreon says he wants to fight for him. Just a great scene!
I agree, that was fantastic.

Yup, thats a great scene and really gets you pumped up.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 13, 2015, 12:31:06 PM: and leading up to that is of course the Oberyon headsmash! :lol Seriously that's still as mindblowing as the first time I saw it even though I wasn't entirly surprised, just a brilliant turn around. It's stuff like that that keeps you on the edge.
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Post by: MetalJunkie on February 13, 2015, 10:40:41 PM: Man, I really want to watch this show. I wish I didn't have such a problem with watching over-the-top violence.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 14, 2015, 05:50:51 AM: You're doing yourself a disservice by not watching it.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 14, 2015, 06:16:20 AM: It depends on what you define as "over-the-top violence" because imo there's alot of violence but nothing that wouldn't be unlikely in a world like that. I guess the diffrence between GoT and other shows in that time period is that they dosen't "censor" or cut the gruesome stuff out. Swordfights have always been in movies for example but they usually cut the dismemberment of limbs out which usually is the result when you lose a swordfight, GoT simply dosen't cut that part out which makes for some interesting scenes. :lol
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Post by: Evermind on February 14, 2015, 06:20:04 AM: Well, I think the only thing that really made me cringe and was tough to watch for me was Oberyn's death. I even knew what was going to happen, but man, that was brutal. But then again, I don't have a lot of problems with watching the violence. For example, Theon's torture was no problem for me. Yeah, it was disgusting, but pretty much watchable.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 14, 2015, 08:39:40 AM: The only problem I had with the torture of Theon is that they spent a bit too much time on it. But then of course, after his storyline through season 4 I can now understand why that was sort of needed, and not just shown for the sake of torture. Which only further illustrates how carefully planned this show is.

And Oberyn's death sure made me cringe as well, but the 'gore' part of that wasn't even the worst of it. What really got to me was his scream.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 16, 2015, 05:30:26 AM: https://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/16/george-rr-martin-warns-of-upcoming-game-of-thrones-tv-show-deaths (https://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/16/george-rr-martin-warns-of-upcoming-game-of-thrones-tv-show-deaths)

George RR Martin warning book-readers about the upcoming season of the show.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 16, 2015, 07:03:30 AM: Good. Now my wife can get off my back about knowing everything about the story before actually watching the shows.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 16, 2015, 07:17:42 AM: Sheesh, FINALLY caught up with this whole series, just finished watching season 4. Epic series. Whoa, where to start? Red Wedding was a real shocker to me, only to be topped with the purple wedding (finally)! Can´t WAIT for season 5 to start! :hefdaddy
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 16, 2015, 07:46:31 AM: :tup Just an hour ago I finished my re-watch of S04. Still as epic as the first time I saw it. Can't freakin wait!
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Post by: BlackInk on February 16, 2015, 07:49:04 AM: My season 4 blu-ray should arrive either today or tomorrow. Been watching the other seasons on blu-ray during the past few weeks, and shall start immediately with season 4 once it gets here.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2015, 08:50:13 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on February 16, 2015, 05:30:26 AM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/16/george-rr-martin-warns-of-upcoming-game-of-thrones-tv-show-deaths (https://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/16/george-rr-martin-warns-of-upcoming-game-of-thrones-tv-show-deaths)

George RR Martin warning book-readers about the upcoming season of the show.

Hmm I have a couple guesses

Sansa, Jamie, or Jorah are my biggest surprise non book deaths.
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Post by: ariich on February 16, 2015, 09:28:55 AM: Honestly, it could be almost anyone. Most people seem to think that there are only a handful of characters who will turn out to be most important at the end (or, some would suggest, the only ones who live). If GRRM has told D&D who these characters are, they have pretty free reign to kill off whoever else they like!

The only thing I'm confident about is that neither Bran nor Hodor will die, but that's only because they're not appearing in season 5. :P
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Post by: Tick on February 16, 2015, 09:35:26 AM: and don't forget folks....Season 3 of Vikings kicks off Thursday night!

If you are not watching this show you should be!
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Post by: BlackInk on February 16, 2015, 09:39:07 AM: I think Bran will be a major player by the end of all this. Right now he feels like the 'Frodo' of this series, the small guy with the most important mission. That has been my prediction since season 3.

Wasn't there something about Bran maybe appearing after all, but not Hodor? Like, only for a little bit? I think I remember seeing that somewhere..

Quote from: Tick on February 16, 2015, 09:35:26 AM
and don't forget folks....Season 3 of Vikings kicks off Thursday night!

If you are not watching this show you should be!

Oh yeah, good show, season 2 finale was really cool. I will definetely follow season 3.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 16, 2015, 10:08:01 AM: Quote from: Tick on February 16, 2015, 09:35:26 AM
and don't forget folks....Season 3 of Vikings kicks off Thursday night!

If you are not watching this show you should be!
Hell yeah!!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 16, 2015, 12:39:15 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 16, 2015, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: Tick on February 16, 2015, 09:35:26 AM
and don't forget folks....Season 3 of Vikings kicks off Thursday night!

If you are not watching this show you should be!
Hell yeah!!

:fistpump:
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Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2015, 05:33:20 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on February 16, 2015, 09:39:07 AM
I think Bran will be a major player by the end of all this. Right now he feels like the 'Frodo' of this series, the small guy with the most important mission. That has been my prediction since season 3.

Wasn't there something about Bran maybe appearing after all, but not Hodor? Like, only for a little bit? I think I remember seeing that somewhere..

Quote from: Tick on February 16, 2015, 09:35:26 AM
and don't forget folks....Season 3 of Vikings kicks off Thursday night!

If you are not watching this show you should be!

Oh yeah, good show, season 2 finale was really cool. I will definetely follow season 3.

I think we may see him involved in seeing flashbacks but not actually doing much in terms of curent timeline, hence why we may see him but not Hodor. I aslo agree that he will have a large role to play in the end with his warging powers most likely.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2015, 05:58:43 AM: Got my season 4 blu ray in the mail yesterday, my annual re-watch of the series has begun! I always pick up little things that ive missed when doing this and helps to refresh my memory on story lines from the earlier seasons that come back to play a role in the current season.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 20, 2015, 06:22:13 AM: We will probably pick it up this weekend and begin.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 20, 2015, 09:54:49 AM: I only have one episode left on my re-watch. Got the special edition blu-ray early on tuesday, and it's been great.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 24, 2015, 11:45:39 AM: Been reading the recent in-universe 'World of Ice and Fire' book for the past few days. Very interesting. It is a very mysterious, detailed, and complex world Martin has created, both in and beyond Westeros. The stuff I like the most are about the lands in the far east. Since they're so far away they are portrayed in such a mysterious way and are endlessly fascinating and intriguing. I have also been jumping from page to page in the Ice and Fire Wiki, trying to learn as much as possible about those weird eastern places. Awesome stuff!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 24, 2015, 12:19:32 PM: Picked up the Season 4 Blu-ray deluxe package. It came with a bonus disc on the filming of the Purple Wedding, and a little toy Joffrey. I see target practice in my future.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 24, 2015, 12:28:38 PM: I gave my toy Joffrey to my sister. He now stands on top of one of the plants in her window, as a proud king.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 24, 2015, 12:30:44 PM: I can't stand that little shit.
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 24, 2015, 12:48:02 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 24, 2015, 12:30:44 PM
I can't stand that little shit.

There's a few in my lifetime that I wanted a character to die. He was right up there for sure.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 24, 2015, 01:14:48 PM: I miss him. Not because I liked him, but because he had a certain presence on the show, and it won't be the same without him.

My mother apparently disagrees though. She was literally singing "king Joffrey is deeeaad" for the rest of the night.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 24, 2015, 01:45:20 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on February 24, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
I miss him. Not because I liked him, but because he had a certain presence on the show, and it won't be the same without him.

This. Of course he was the most hated character, but the actor was just sooooo good that when he died I was actually upset to not see the character anymore. I was also really happy at the same time because he was a jerk, but Joffrey was probably my favorite character to watch in the show.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 24, 2015, 02:41:01 PM: I was not upset.
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Post by: orcus116 on February 24, 2015, 08:01:19 PM: I was never more satisfied in a show than seeing him bite it. Good riddance.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 25, 2015, 03:51:42 AM: Seriously amazing character and actor but:

Quote from: orcus116 on February 24, 2015, 08:01:19 PM
I was never more satisfied in a show than seeing him bite it. Good riddance.
Yep a 1000% :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 25, 2015, 06:39:07 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on February 24, 2015, 08:01:19 PM
I was never more satisfied in a show than seeing him bite it. Good riddance.
Indeed.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 09, 2015, 01:34:48 PM: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153091661915803 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153091661915803)

Really cool 2nd trailer for season 5!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2015, 02:26:07 PM: :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2015, 06:47:56 PM: Nice, looks amazing.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 09, 2015, 08:35:58 PM: Damn, that pumped me so much!
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Post by: Zeltar on March 10, 2015, 11:06:16 AM: :hefdaddy
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Post by: BlackInk on March 10, 2015, 11:18:23 AM: There's so much cool stuff in this trailer, but what gets me most excited is the brief shot of a blackened and bloody hand coming through a wooden wall. If that turns out to be what I think it is, and if the brief pieces of what I have seen and how I have puzzled them together in my mind means what I think it means, then that will be awesome.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 10, 2015, 11:20:20 AM: My Queen :hefdaddy
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Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 02:00:27 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on March 10, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
There's so much cool stuff in this trailer, but what gets me most excited is the brief shot of a blackened and bloody hand coming through a wooden wall. If that turns out to be what I think it is, and if the brief pieces of what I have seen and how I have puzzled them together in my mind means what I think it means, then that will be awesome.

What do you think it is?

The hand through the wall maybe a white? but the hand is not bloody, the next "clip" shows a finger with blood but that looks completely different.

What I am really excited for is what appears to be Sansa in the Winterfell crypts. What happens in the north/north of the wall is what I am most looking forward to. Bolton vs Stannis with what appears to be the Knights of the Vale riding into Winterfell and the wildings/Nights watch riding to Hardhome looks like book spoilers and I cant wait
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Post by: RuRoRul on March 10, 2015, 03:31:48 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on March 10, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
There's so much cool stuff in this trailer, but what gets me most excited is the brief shot of a blackened and bloody hand coming through a wooden wall. If that turns out to be what I think it is, and if the brief pieces of what I have seen and how I have puzzled them together in my mind means what I think it means, then that will be awesome.

What do you think it is?

The hand through the wall maybe a white? but the hand is not bloody, the next "clip" shows a finger with blood but that looks completely different.

What I am really excited for is what appears to be Sansa in the Winterfell crypts. What happens in the north/north of the wall is what I am most looking forward to. Bolton vs Stannis with what appears to be the Knights of the Vale riding into Winterfell and the wildings/Nights watch riding to Hardhome looks like book spoilers and I cant wait
I didn't realise straight away but the finger with blood I believ is Cersei in the flashback giving her blood to get the prophecy.

The hand breaking through the wall I thought was a wight, presumably part of a force of wights and / or White Walkers trying to break into the village at Hardhome (Jon Snow is going there himself in the show rather than sending other men of the Night's Watch to try to rescue the wildlings.

Sansa going to Winterfell was causing lots of debate online from what I'd seen, people had identifed a shot of her in a room that looked like Winterfell in the last trailer but people didn't believe it. Now it's confirmed, so really interesting to see where they go with that. Littlefinger and knights of the Vale being in Winterfell could maybe take on a similar role to Manderly men, as in a force that could potentially betray the Boltons.

Great trailer in general, as well as having interesting tidbits of information on where they are going. Really does a good job showing off the Faith and High Sparrow, Stannis in the North and trouble in Meereen. Daenerys' speech was cringeworthy but obviously prime trailer material.

And people may be glad to know that book readers are almost as much in the dark as everyone else this season :lol Half of them will probably end up even more surprised.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 07:08:41 PM: Yup, thats why as a book reader I am excited. The books and show are going to go down very different paths (albeit to a same ending) so it will still be awesome to read the books when and if they do get written.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 11, 2015, 03:15:44 AM: So pumped, although I haven't seen the trailer yet.

Game of Thrones' fifth season will air simultaneously worldwide each week (https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/10/8182941/game-of-thrones-simulcast-worldwide-season-5)
:tup :tup
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2015, 06:21:08 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on March 10, 2015, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on March 10, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
There's so much cool stuff in this trailer, but what gets me most excited is the brief shot of a blackened and bloody hand coming through a wooden wall. If that turns out to be what I think it is, and if the brief pieces of what I have seen and how I have puzzled them together in my mind means what I think it means, then that will be awesome.

What do you think it is?

The hand through the wall maybe a white? but the hand is not bloody, the next "clip" shows a finger with blood but that looks completely different.

What I am really excited for is what appears to be Sansa in the Winterfell crypts. What happens in the north/north of the wall is what I am most looking forward to. Bolton vs Stannis with what appears to be the Knights of the Vale riding into Winterfell and the wildings/Nights watch riding to Hardhome looks like book spoilers and I cant wait
I didn't realise straight away but the finger with blood I believ is Cersei in the flashback giving her blood to get the prophecy.

The hand breaking through the wall I thought was a wight, presumably part of a force of wights and / or White Walkers trying to break into the village at Hardhome (Jon Snow is going there himself in the show rather than sending other men of the Night's Watch to try to rescue the wildlings.

Sansa going to Winterfell was causing lots of debate online from what I'd seen, people had identifed a shot of her in a room that looked like Winterfell in the last trailer but people didn't believe it. Now it's confirmed, so really interesting to see where they go with that. Littlefinger and knights of the Vale being in Winterfell could maybe take on a similar role to Manderly men, as in a force that could potentially betray the Boltons.
I'm gonna miss Manderly's awesome speeches :(
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2015, 06:40:07 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on March 11, 2015, 06:21:08 AM
Quote from: RuRoRul on March 10, 2015, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on March 10, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
There's so much cool stuff in this trailer, but what gets me most excited is the brief shot of a blackened and bloody hand coming through a wooden wall. If that turns out to be what I think it is, and if the brief pieces of what I have seen and how I have puzzled them together in my mind means what I think it means, then that will be awesome.

What do you think it is?

The hand through the wall maybe a white? but the hand is not bloody, the next "clip" shows a finger with blood but that looks completely different.

What I am really excited for is what appears to be Sansa in the Winterfell crypts. What happens in the north/north of the wall is what I am most looking forward to. Bolton vs Stannis with what appears to be the Knights of the Vale riding into Winterfell and the wildings/Nights watch riding to Hardhome looks like book spoilers and I cant wait
I didn't realise straight away but the finger with blood I believ is Cersei in the flashback giving her blood to get the prophecy.

The hand breaking through the wall I thought was a wight, presumably part of a force of wights and / or White Walkers trying to break into the village at Hardhome (Jon Snow is going there himself in the show rather than sending other men of the Night's Watch to try to rescue the wildlings.

Sansa going to Winterfell was causing lots of debate online from what I'd seen, people had identifed a shot of her in a room that looked like Winterfell in the last trailer but people didn't believe it. Now it's confirmed, so really interesting to see where they go with that. Littlefinger and knights of the Vale being in Winterfell could maybe take on a similar role to Manderly men, as in a force that could potentially betray the Boltons.
I'm gonna miss Manderly's awesome speeches :(

Yea no Manderly is sad, but sometimes the show does a good job of having a current character take on the role of a newer character. I do wonder if Sansa will play the role of fArya then and maybe a scene with her and Ramsay is the scene Sophie Turner has been talking about as being very traumatic. Either way, I find the north to be very interesting this season.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2015, 06:53:31 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 11, 2015, 06:40:07 AM
Quote from: Dimitrius on March 11, 2015, 06:21:08 AM
Quote from: RuRoRul on March 10, 2015, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on March 10, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
There's so much cool stuff in this trailer, but what gets me most excited is the brief shot of a blackened and bloody hand coming through a wooden wall. If that turns out to be what I think it is, and if the brief pieces of what I have seen and how I have puzzled them together in my mind means what I think it means, then that will be awesome.

What do you think it is?

The hand through the wall maybe a white? but the hand is not bloody, the next "clip" shows a finger with blood but that looks completely different.

What I am really excited for is what appears to be Sansa in the Winterfell crypts. What happens in the north/north of the wall is what I am most looking forward to. Bolton vs Stannis with what appears to be the Knights of the Vale riding into Winterfell and the wildings/Nights watch riding to Hardhome looks like book spoilers and I cant wait
I didn't realise straight away but the finger with blood I believ is Cersei in the flashback giving her blood to get the prophecy.

The hand breaking through the wall I thought was a wight, presumably part of a force of wights and / or White Walkers trying to break into the village at Hardhome (Jon Snow is going there himself in the show rather than sending other men of the Night's Watch to try to rescue the wildlings.

Sansa going to Winterfell was causing lots of debate online from what I'd seen, people had identifed a shot of her in a room that looked like Winterfell in the last trailer but people didn't believe it. Now it's confirmed, so really interesting to see where they go with that. Littlefinger and knights of the Vale being in Winterfell could maybe take on a similar role to Manderly men, as in a force that could potentially betray the Boltons.
I'm gonna miss Manderly's awesome speeches :(

Yea no Manderly is sad, but sometimes the show does a good job of having a current character take on the role of a newer character. I do wonder if Sansa will play the role of fArya then and maybe a scene with her and Ramsay is the scene Sophie Turner has been talking about as being very traumatic. Either way, I find the north to be very interesting this season.
I guess I can believe that as long as it's only Ramsay at Winterfell and Roose is nowhere near. If Roose is there, he HAS to recognize her, I think.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 11, 2015, 09:50:44 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on March 10, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
There's so much cool stuff in this trailer, but what gets me most excited is the brief shot of a blackened and bloody hand coming through a wooden wall. If that turns out to be what I think it is, and if the brief pieces of what I have seen and how I have puzzled them together in my mind means what I think it means, then that will be awesome.

What do you think it is?

I'm not sure that I want to share my thoughts too much openly on that. I didn't even read the small text you posted, haha. But I'll post here whether I was right or wrong after the episode airs. I haven't read the fourth and fifth books, so this is just pure speculation.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 18, 2015, 12:58:11 PM: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152816482182734 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152816482182734)

Short clip from S01E01 "The Wars to Come". Dialogue and look of the characters is all fine, but what struck me the most is how well shot this scene is. This does not look like TV show. It almost never really did, but this short clip impressed me for some reason.
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Post by: ariich on March 19, 2015, 07:22:16 AM: Everything is looking really great so far.

This will be my first season having caught up with all the books, so I expect it to be quite a different experience watching while knowing the general direction of things.

Also interested in the fact that it seems they're going to catch up on the books very quickly now. Not that I think that's a problem, if anything I think Dance With Dragons suffered from moving too slowly for my tastes.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 19, 2015, 07:37:07 AM: There will apparently be some changes from the books as well. So having read them may not me of as much benefit, anyway.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 19, 2015, 08:35:28 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 19, 2015, 07:37:07 AM
There will apparently be some changes from the books as well. So having read them may not me of as much benefit, anyway.

This, the show is going to go in very different directions and pass aDwD THIS season.
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Post by: Evermind on March 19, 2015, 09:17:31 AM: Yeah, I think the bookreaders and people who only watched the show are pretty even for this season. Which is why I'm so intrigued by it.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 19, 2015, 09:27:05 AM: i am so fucking psyched for this! I wish I had finished book 5 though. There's still time. :lol
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Post by: BlackInk on March 19, 2015, 01:44:51 PM: I'm a bit bummed that they went through the monster of a book that is AFFC/ADWD in just one season. I had hoped that it would take 2, and that The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring would make 3 seasons. But that was just me really really wanting to have 9 seasons. But right now it seems like TWoW and ADoS will only get a season each, and that it'll only be 7 total.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 19, 2015, 02:08:11 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on March 19, 2015, 01:44:51 PM
I'm a bit bummed that they went through the monster of a book that is AFFC/ADWD in just one season. I had hoped that it would take 2, and that The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring would make 3 seasons. But that was just me really really wanting to have 9 seasons. But right now it seems like TWoW and ADoS will only get a season each, and that it'll only be 7 total.

You read that AFFC/ADWD is just going to be one season? That seems like a lot of material to shove into 10 episodes. Also, he will NEVER catch up with the TV show at that rate.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 19, 2015, 04:01:35 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on March 19, 2015, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on March 19, 2015, 01:44:51 PM
I'm a bit bummed that they went through the monster of a book that is AFFC/ADWD in just one season. I had hoped that it would take 2, and that The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring would make 3 seasons. But that was just me really really wanting to have 9 seasons. But right now it seems like TWoW and ADoS will only get a season each, and that it'll only be 7 total.

You read that AFFC/ADWD is just going to be one season? That seems like a lot of material to shove into 10 episodes. Also, he will NEVER catch up with the TV show at that rate.

I think those two will come out to 1.5 seasons. The problem is that they incorporated some storylines into season 3 and season 4 and now season 5 will be based on the bulk of those books. It also appears a big part of those books will be cut out (or not included until next season).
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 19, 2015, 07:18:36 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 19, 2015, 04:01:35 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on March 19, 2015, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on March 19, 2015, 01:44:51 PM
I'm a bit bummed that they went through the monster of a book that is AFFC/ADWD in just one season. I had hoped that it would take 2, and that The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring would make 3 seasons. But that was just me really really wanting to have 9 seasons. But right now it seems like TWoW and ADoS will only get a season each, and that it'll only be 7 total.

You read that AFFC/ADWD is just going to be one season? That seems like a lot of material to shove into 10 episodes. Also, he will NEVER catch up with the TV show at that rate.

I think those two will come out to 1.5 seasons. The problem is that they incorporated some storylines into season 3 and season 4 and now season 5 will be based on the bulk of those books. It also appears a big part of those books will be cut out (or not included until next season).

I'm hoping they trim down the Greyjoy chapters from book 4. Those were so boring in my opinion,
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Post by: Fiery Winds on March 19, 2015, 07:20:45 PM: I remember reading that one of the reasons they jumped forward was that several major characters would have been completely absent for a whole season.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2015, 08:05:08 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on March 19, 2015, 01:44:51 PM
I'm a bit bummed that they went through the monster of a book that is AFFC/ADWD in just one season. I had hoped that it would take 2, and that The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring would make 3 seasons. But that was just me really really wanting to have 9 seasons. But right now it seems like TWoW and ADoS will only get a season each, and that it'll only be 7 total.
Recent interview with an HBO executive said that he would prefer 10 seasons, but that the producers seem to feel that 7 or 8 would be appropriate, and they would be allowed to dictate that.

He also shot down a rumor (promulgated, in part, by Martin) that the finale should be done as a theatrical film. He said that would be unfair to the HBO subscribers (and he's right).
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 20, 2015, 08:47:07 AM: I don't see the need for a film. Just get to RT+LS=JS
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Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2015, 08:49:51 AM: Quote from: Fiery Winds on March 19, 2015, 07:20:45 PM
I remember reading that one of the reasons they jumped forward was that several major characters would have been completely absent for a whole season.

Well apparently that is happening this season with a character .... Bran and Hodor

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I'm a bit bummed that they went through the monster of a book that is AFFC/ADWD in just one season. I had hoped that it would take 2, and that The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring would make 3 seasons. But that was just me really really wanting to have 9 seasons. But right now it seems like TWoW and ADoS will only get a season each, and that it'll only be 7 total.

You read that AFFC/ADWD is just going to be one season? That seems like a lot of material to shove into 10 episodes. Also, he will NEVER catch up with the TV show at that rate.

I think those two will come out to 1.5 seasons. The problem is that they incorporated some storylines into season 3 and season 4 and now season 5 will be based on the bulk of those books. It also appears a big part of those books will be cut out (or not included until next season).

I'm hoping they trim down the Greyjoy chapters from book 4. Those were so boring in my opinion,

That is one of the large storylines I was referring too, and I actually found the greyjoys to be one of the better parts of books 4 and 5, but no one has any idea how they will play out in the end so leaving it out of the show may not be a big loss
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 20, 2015, 09:06:07 AM: I much preferred Arya and where she wound up in Book 4.
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Post by: ariich on March 20, 2015, 09:50:14 AM: Without getting into details and spoilers, I do think a lot of the new characters and stories that Martin introduced in books 4 and 5 are primarily to richen the battle for power going on in Westeros and across the sea. I really don't think all those plotlines are necessarily "going anywhere", and so am content if some are scrapped entirely (as long as D&D know for a fact they're not going anywhere, otherwise it might not make any sense!).
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Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2015, 12:27:32 PM: Quote from: ariich on March 20, 2015, 09:50:14 AM
Without getting into details and spoilers, I do think a lot of the new characters and stories that Martin introduced in books 4 and 5 are primarily to richen the battle for power going on in Westeros and across the sea. I really don't think all those plotlines are necessarily "going anywhere", and so am content if some are scrapped entirely (as long as D&D know for a fact they're not going anywhere, otherwise it might not make any sense!).

Agreed. We just don't know as readers if they go anywhere since those storylines were new in the last books and most didnt come to any conclusion. As far as we all know, D&D do know how it all plays out so if they say they can be cut, then they etiher dont play a large part in the overall story or other characters can take their roles in the show, which theyve already done in the past and we will see in this season with at least one character that I know of for a fact.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 21, 2015, 02:54:51 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2015, 08:05:08 AM
He also shot down a rumor (promulgated, in part, by Martin) that the finale should be done as a theatrical film. He said that would be unfair to the HBO subscribers (and he's right).

This makes me sad. I would absolutely love for the final episode to be a movie, and I have been hoping for years that they'd do it like that.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2015, 03:50:08 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on March 21, 2015, 02:54:51 AM
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He also shot down a rumor (promulgated, in part, by Martin) that the finale should be done as a theatrical film. He said that would be unfair to the HBO subscribers (and he's right).

This makes me sad. I would absolutely love for the final episode to be a movie, and I have been hoping for years that they'd do it like that.
Why? What could they do in a 2-hour movie that they can't do in a 10-hour season?

And he's right, that would be fucked up for subscribers to have to pay extra to see the finale.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 21, 2015, 04:23:27 AM: More like what they could do with a 2 hour movie what they wouldn't in a final 1 hour episode. So there would be more time. The budget would sky-rocket. I know GoT already has like the biggest budget on TV, but a movie-budget would definetely help for a final epic mega-episode. There would most likely be zero limitations. And finishing off the series with a proper theater experience would be epic. They might show the final episode in theaters anyways, but there is always the risk that it will only get the US treatment, and we others are left out.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2015, 04:58:59 AM: I don't see anything preventing them from doing on TV what they could do in a theater, other than the size of the screen.

There won't be a budget problem.
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Post by: ariich on March 21, 2015, 05:15:14 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2015, 04:58:59 AM
There won't be a budget problem.
Yeah, seriously.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 24, 2015, 02:01:51 PM: Urgh, season 5 needs a new poster asap. The one everyone is using at the moment is so rubbish.
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Post by: Chino on April 09, 2015, 08:50:16 AM: I watched the first 8 episodes of GOT and was pretty bored. What's wrong with me?
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Post by: BlackInk on April 09, 2015, 08:59:32 AM: No idea, maybe you were expecting more frequent fantasy sword-action?
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 09, 2015, 09:24:53 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 09, 2015, 08:50:16 AM
I watched the first 8 episodes of GOT and was pretty bored. What's wrong with me?

What disappointed you about it?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 09, 2015, 09:38:27 AM: Pay more attention? Theres a lot of dialogue and if you dont pay attention a lot goes over your head and a lot of things from season 1 come back up in later seasons and if you didnt pay attention you miss out on so much!

Reality is the show isnt for everyone, but that doesnt mean it isnt the best show on TV (or maybe the history of TV IMO).

Edit, I should add that maybe watch one more episode :biggrin:
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Post by: Chino on April 09, 2015, 09:54:16 AM: I wouldn't say I was dissapointed, I just wasn't really feeling it. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool show. Lots a blood, cool sets, neat scenery, etc.. But it just wasn't grabbing me. Shame too, I really wanted to get into it.
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Post by: Fiery Winds on April 09, 2015, 10:00:26 AM: For me, the show really picked up going into Season 2. Season 1 is mostly an introduction into the world and it's many characters, with all the more interesting plots developing from that foundation. Ratings have increased substantially season to season (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones#Viewer_numbers), so it only gets better from where you're at now.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 09, 2015, 11:06:18 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 09, 2015, 09:54:16 AM
I wouldn't say I was dissapointed, I just wasn't really feeling it. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool show. Lots a blood, cool sets, neat scenery, etc.. But it just wasn't grabbing me. Shame too, I really wanted to get into it.

The coolest part of the 1st season was at the end of the last episode. I don't want to say why because you might decide to finish off the season. Then again, you might not be as obsessed with these creatures as much as I am. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on April 09, 2015, 12:02:35 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 09, 2015, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 09, 2015, 09:54:16 AM
I wouldn't say I was dissapointed, I just wasn't really feeling it. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool show. Lots a blood, cool sets, neat scenery, etc.. But it just wasn't grabbing me. Shame too, I really wanted to get into it.

The coolest part of the 1st season was at the end of the last episode. I don't want to say why because you might decide to finish off the season. Then again, you might not be as obsessed with these creatures as much as I am. :lol

That may be the coolest part, but the climax is definitely episode 9 so Chino should definitely just finish out the season if you already made it 8 episodes deep and then decide if you want to continue.

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For me, the show really picked up going into Season 2. Season 1 is mostly an introduction into the world and it's many characters, with all the more interesting plots developing from that foundation. Ratings have increased substantially season to season (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones#Viewer_numbers), so it only gets better from where you're at now.

I felt this was the case for me too. I didn't read the books until after season 2 and that was the season that turned me from a fan into a diehard.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 10, 2015, 10:45:37 PM: (https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/179739_425355344238614_230080004_n_zps9d74fde1.jpg)
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Post by: BlackInk on April 10, 2015, 11:59:53 PM: That is one disgusting kid.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 11, 2015, 06:15:56 AM: I hate that fucking kid.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 11, 2015, 09:04:34 AM: But he just wants to see things fly!!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2015, 10:15:49 AM: :lol I'm really interested in seeing where his story goes this season along with Littlefinger and Sansa, can't wait for Sunday!
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 10:18:34 AM: So, all kidding aside... Who is going to wind up on the iron throne at the end? Any speculation and why that person?
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 11, 2015, 10:36:17 AM: The way this series is going, Tommen is probably gonna end up skewered on it....
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 11, 2015, 11:04:37 AM: I'm so pumped right now. Finally S5 and also finally GTAV.
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Post by: PowerSlave on April 11, 2015, 11:56:51 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
So, all kidding aside... Who is going to wind up on the iron throne at the end? Any speculation and why that person?

Possible Spoiler!!!

There's a theory circulating on the internet that Jon Snow is really the son of the mad king's son and Ned Stark's sister. He is Ice. Daenerys is Fire. A Song of Ice and Fire...

They like to "keep it in the family" so to speak. Jon sits on the Iron Throne with Daenerys as his queen.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 11, 2015, 12:13:21 PM: I have one theory about the future of the iron throne, but I don't know how many are considering the details I'm thinking of specifically, so I will keep it to myself until proven right or wrong.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 12:40:39 PM: Quote from: PowerSlave on April 11, 2015, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
So, all kidding aside... Who is going to wind up on the iron throne at the end? Any speculation and why that person?

Possible Spoiler!!!

There's a theory circulating on the internet that Jon Snow is really the son of the mad king's son and Ned Stark's sister. He is Ice. Daenerys is Fire. A Song of Ice and Fire...

They like to "keep it in the family" so to speak. Jon sits on the Iron Throne with Daenerys as his queen.

Actually what I heard is that Jon Snow IS the song of ice and fire, since he comes from both.

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I have one theory about the future of the iron throne, but I don't know how many are considering the details I'm thinking of specifically, so I will keep it to myself until proven right or wrong.

hmmmmm
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 11, 2015, 02:54:53 PM: Jon Snow and Dany living happily together while ruling from the Iron Throne is too "fairy tale-ish" for this series.

If anything Stannis will end up in it, because he's the one most people disregard in the show and in the TV-fandom.
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Post by: PowerSlave on April 11, 2015, 02:56:53 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 12:40:39 PM
Quote from: PowerSlave on April 11, 2015, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
So, all kidding aside... Who is going to wind up on the iron throne at the end? Any speculation and why that person?

Possible Spoiler!!!

There's a theory circulating on the internet that Jon Snow is really the son of the mad king's son and Ned Stark's sister. He is Ice. Daenerys is Fire. A Song of Ice and Fire...

They like to "keep it in the family" so to speak. Jon sits on the Iron Throne with Daenerys as his queen.

Actually what I heard is that Jon Snow IS the song of ice and fire, since he comes from both.

I never thought of it that way. Very good point.
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Post by: PowerSlave on April 11, 2015, 02:59:49 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 11, 2015, 02:54:53 PM
Jon Snow and Dany living happily together while ruling from the Iron Throne is too "fairy tale-ish" for this series.

If anything Stannis will end up in it, because he's the one most people disregard in the show and in the TV-fandom.

I could see it happening. It wouldn't bother me if it did.

I've got a feeling that Stannis and the Red Lady are going to be dragon chow before it's all over with.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 07:49:38 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 11, 2015, 02:54:53 PM
Jon Snow and Dany living happily together while ruling from the Iron Throne is too "fairy tale-ish" for this series.

If anything Stannis will end up in it, because he's the one most people disregard in the show and in the TV-fandom.

I agree with the first sentence. It's too much of a happy ending. These stories have been full of intrigue, surprise, and indecency. No way the ending is that obvious. Then again, that would be the ultimate irony.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 12, 2015, 02:43:49 AM: well, we´re in for a great ride, but I´m not going to sit up until 3.00 am to watch it. Catch you guys on the flipside! :metal
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 12, 2015, 06:03:46 AM: Holy leaks batman.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 12, 2015, 08:57:39 AM: I'm actually surprise they didn't leak before today. The media has had the first 4 episodes for a few weeks now.
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Post by: ariich on April 12, 2015, 10:08:30 AM: Let's not mention any specifics, people.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 12, 2015, 10:15:58 AM: I am still a bit puzzled as to why we have gotten zero posters for season 5. We have the one with Tyrion and Drogon but that's just bad photoshop. I was expecting real ones by now.

As to the first four episodes, I'll talk about them individually once they've aired.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 12, 2015, 10:30:50 AM: Quote from: ariich on April 12, 2015, 10:08:30 AM
Let's not mention any specifics, people.

Oh boo.... apologies of course. :blush
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Post by: Accelerando on April 12, 2015, 11:42:02 PM: Solid season premiere. I'm looking forward for Arya's story the most, though
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 06:13:00 AM: Some of the changes from the books will be intriguing to see, to say the least. Like Varys accompanying Tyrion.
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Post by: masterthes on April 13, 2015, 07:50:35 AM: Watch it be Bran who takes the throne and Jon will be the Hand. Solid premiere. I think this will be an awesome season
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 13, 2015, 07:57:02 AM: Solid episode, lots of interesting things set in motion for this season. However stupid me thought it would be a good idea to catch up the episode by watching during lunchbreak....in my car.....on my phone. To constantly have to fiddle with brightness because of sunlight is a mood killer and the 5 inch screen dosen't help either. I'm just stupid! :facepalm:
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:04:01 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 06:13:00 AM
Some of the changes from the books will be intriguing to see, to say the least. Like Varys accompanying Tyrion.

I like Varys' character so I am curious to see what they do with him. I always saw him as being more than meets the eye. There is definitely something about him that gives an heir of mystique and power so I really am curious to see where he ultimately ends up. I feel like we're going to find out he's related to the Targaryens or something.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 13, 2015, 08:05:26 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 06:13:00 AM
Some of the changes from the books will be intriguing to see, to say the least. Like Varys accompanying Tyrion.
I'm very interested to see what happens with this change. Also, the changes that are happening in Dorne.

Did anyone else catch the Bolton sigil on Winterfell during the opening credits? Salt to the wound of the Starks!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2015, 08:22:38 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 13, 2015, 08:05:26 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 06:13:00 AM
Some of the changes from the books will be intriguing to see, to say the least. Like Varys accompanying Tyrion.
I'm very interested to see what happens with this change. Also, the changes that are happening in Dorne.

Did anyone else catch the Bolton sigil on Winterfell during the opening credits? Salt to the wound of the Starks!

Yup. Its also no longer smoking so I guess it means the Bolton's have officially taken over and its not a castle in ruins. (I think this was assumed but the intro confirmed it).

I didn't think it was a great episode but a standard season opener to get the ball rolling on how this season will play out. Mance Rayder dying was upsetting though, the actor and character had a lot to offer.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:28:32 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 13, 2015, 08:22:38 AM
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Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 06:13:00 AM
Some of the changes from the books will be intriguing to see, to say the least. Like Varys accompanying Tyrion.
I'm very interested to see what happens with this change. Also, the changes that are happening in Dorne.

Did anyone else catch the Bolton sigil on Winterfell during the opening credits? Salt to the wound of the Starks!

Yup. Its also no longer smoking so I guess it means the Bolton's have officially taken over and its not a castle in ruins. (I think this was assumed but the intro confirmed it).

I didn't think it was a great episode but a standard season opener to get the ball rolling on how this season will play out. Mance Rayder dying was upsetting though, the actor and character had a lot to offer.

He didn't resist like he did in the book. I was actually surprised that GRRM almost turned him into a coward during his final moments when before that he exhibited much pride and strength.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 13, 2015, 09:25:41 AM: Great episode. The last scene was the best. Very unsettling to watch someone burn to death, and it made for a powerful scene.

The shots of the giant gold harpy falling and sliding down the great pyramid of Meereen were amazing. Especially that first long shot. Complete big-budget-movie quality.

Quote from: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:28:32 AM
He didn't resist like he did in the book. I was actually surprised that GRRM almost turned him into a coward during his final moments when before that he exhibited much pride and strength.

It's only realistic. Any proud and strong man will be a coward when his flesh starts to burn.
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Post by: Evermind on April 13, 2015, 10:36:59 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:28:32 AM
He didn't resist like he did in the book. I was actually surprised that GRRM almost turned him into a coward during his final moments when before that he exhibited much pride and strength.

You've read ADWD till the end, right?

The episode was alright. The scenes on The Wall, especially with Mance were outstanding, I liked how they ended the episode with Jon Snow shooting the man. I also had a laugh at ever-so-subtle Melisandre's question to Jon. :lol

That scene with Loras was horrible though. I honestly can't remember whether he did anything in the show from S3 onward, other that, you know, banging that Olivar guy or whatever his name is.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 10:42:46 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 13, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:28:32 AM
He didn't resist like he did in the book. I was actually surprised that GRRM almost turned him into a coward during his final moments when before that he exhibited much pride and strength.

You've read ADWD till the end, right?
Yeah. There were definitely, well, extenuating circumstances.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 13, 2015, 11:11:39 AM: Oh, and I miss the conversation Stannis and Jon had about the Others on top of the wall, which leads me to believe Jon won't have Sam read up on them either. I don't like when they ignore them too much. I get that they're supposed to be kept in the dark and mysterious, but they are what they are all there for, one would guess someone would be talking about it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 12:07:47 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 13, 2015, 11:11:39 AM
Oh, and I miss the conversation Stannis and Jon had about the Others on top of the wall, which leads me to believe Jon won't have Sam read up on them either. I don't like when they ignore them too much. I get that they're supposed to be kept in the dark and mysterious, but they are what they are all there for, one would guess someone would be talking about it.
I would doubt they get ignored. Remember the scene where the Others took that baby way off in the woods, to that "Others coven" that showed what I can only assume was an Others high priest (with horns on his head) who touched the baby and it turned into an Other?

That scene wasn't in any book. For them to include something like inclines me to believe they have no interest in minimizing the importance of the Others.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 13, 2015, 12:45:05 PM: I believe that as well. I'm just sad that they're not getting as much attention from the main characters as I'd like. And we're missing some cool scenes because of it.

I'm also wondering why the Horn of Joramund is left out. I'm guessing that means that it's not of much further importance. Don't tell me if you know though.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 01:01:13 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 13, 2015, 09:25:41 AM

Quote from: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:28:32 AM
He didn't resist like he did in the book. I was actually surprised that GRRM almost turned him into a coward during his final moments when before that he exhibited much pride and strength.

It's only realistic. Any proud and strong man will be a coward when his flesh starts to burn.

He leaned towards cowardice when he first saw the cage in the book. He immediately started saying "mercy" and "this is not right, I'm not the king." So clearly his cowardice appeared before he was burned. It even uses the word cowardice in the book.

Quote from: Evermind on April 13, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:28:32 AM
He didn't resist like he did in the book. I was actually surprised that GRRM almost turned him into a coward during his final moments when before that he exhibited much pride and strength.

You've read ADWD till the end, right?

Halfway through, why? Does something else regarding Mance happen which rebuts what I said?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 01:06:04 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: Evermind on April 13, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
You've read ADWD till the end, right?

Halfway through, why? Does something else regarding Mance happen which rebuts what I said?
Keep reading.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2015, 02:54:00 PM: Prog Snob, you will definitely need to keep reading to understand :biggrin:

I think the show only downplays the Walkers because its not important to the storyline arcs in each season. The show throws bits and pieces about them each season to let everyone know they are there and they are a threat, but they don't focus on them so much because I dont think they will become "main characters" until close to the end. I think we see a lot more of them later this season though since we know something is going to happen at Hardhome.
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Post by: ariich on April 13, 2015, 03:42:16 PM: Let's avoid too much in the way of book-spoilers, yeah? :)

That said, I'm interested in how they'll be changing things. Varys accompanying Tyrion (at least for now) could be fun. So far this season has mostly stuck pretty close to the books though.

Overall, good first episode - not much in the way of big events but set a number of arcs up nicely.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 03:52:35 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: Evermind on April 13, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
You've read ADWD till the end, right?

Halfway through, why? Does something else regarding Mance happen which rebuts what I said?
Keep reading.

Quote from: cramx3 on April 13, 2015, 02:54:00 PM
Prog Snob, you will definitely need to keep reading to understand :biggrin:

I think the show only downplays the Walkers because its not important to the storyline arcs in each season. The show throws bits and pieces about them each season to let everyone know they are there and they are a threat, but they don't focus on them so much because I dont think they will become "main characters" until close to the end. I think we see a lot more of them later this season though since we know something is going to happen at Hardhome.

I plan on it. ;D I'm off the next couple of days so I should definitely put a significant dent in the rest of the book.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2015, 04:01:46 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 13, 2015, 03:42:16 PM
Let's avoid too much in the way of book-spoilers, yeah? :)

That said, I'm interested in how they'll be changing things. Varys accompanying Tyrion (at least for now) could be fun. So far this season has mostly stuck pretty close to the books though.

Overall, good first episode - not much in the way of big events but set a number of arcs up nicely.

Not sure if this was refering to me (I assume it may) but I dont think I have said anything that isnt in the trailers. Regardless, I do not wish to spoil things and will try not to (I really at this point know very little spoilers anyway since the books to this point of the show aren't the same anymore and I have no read spoilers from the set or watched the leaked episodes), I am only going off what was shown in the trailers and in the day in the life show HBO aired.
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Post by: ariich on April 13, 2015, 04:55:37 PM: Nope wasn't referring to you, or to anyone in particular. Was prompted by hef and Evermind's posts though, which didn't contain spoilers, but I thought I'd get my comment in early.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 14, 2015, 12:43:25 AM: Solid first episode. Think Jon Snow has weakened or strenghtened his position by mercy-killing Mance?
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Post by: Progmetty on April 14, 2015, 07:34:07 AM: I think the red cunt wants to devour him, but Stannis seems to hold some regard Jon Snow being Ned Stark's son.
I feel that Jon Snow sold Stannis offer extremely short to Mance, Stannis told him he'll let the Wildlings have lands and settle south of the wall! the whole reason they fought and were to continue fighting if they had defeated the night's watch and got passed the wall! Basically they were gonna do everything they were set out to do with the addition of being legal residents/neutralized citizens of Westeros, which means they would avoid future wars with the kingdoms which were to surely crush them at one point or another, Jon Snow didn't tell Mance the full offer and didn't argue any of these points, felt like they were just pushing for Mance to die.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2015, 07:56:14 AM: I agree. While the acting and cinematography were great, the scene made little sense. I get that Mance didn't want to bend the knee, but Stannis did offer him exactly what he wanted when Lance united the clans. To escape the white walkers by going past the wall. I get he wanted to hold true to his values of not bending, but he got a good offer and died for seemingly very little reason other than his own pride. And Stannis definitely holds Jon Snow in some regard for being Ned's son. Ned and Stannis did have a good relationship and both highly regarded to each other.
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Post by: Evermind on April 14, 2015, 07:59:21 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 14, 2015, 07:56:14 AM
I get he wanted to hold true to his values of not bending, but he got a good offer and died for seemingly very little reason other than his own pride.

All this while he was saying it's not about pride at all. :lol Yeah, I agree, that was kind of stupid.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 14, 2015, 08:08:30 AM: I thought that Mance spoke very eloquently on why he wouldn't kneel.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2015, 08:26:27 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 14, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
I thought that Mance spoke very eloquently on why he wouldn't kneel.

Maybe so, but what "king" who has already surrendered, wouldn't take a hit on his pride to protect his own people and secure their safety? That's why it just seemed like a pointless death

And its hard to just forget what he does in the book which for me, showed that Mance was the man
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 14, 2015, 08:55:26 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 14, 2015, 07:34:07 AM
I think the red cunt wants to devour him, but Stannis seems to hold some regard Jon Snow being Ned Stark's son.
I feel that Jon Snow sold Stannis offer extremely short to Mance, Stannis told him he'll let the Wildlings have lands and settle south of the wall! the whole reason they fought and were to continue fighting if they had defeated the night's watch and got passed the wall! Basically they were gonna do everything they were set out to do with the addition of being legal residents/neutralized citizens of Westeros, which means they would avoid future wars with the kingdoms which were to surely crush them at one point or another, Jon Snow didn't tell Mance the full offer and didn't argue any of these points, felt like they were just pushing for Mance to die.

There's a lot of book to fit into these episodes, so I guess with the time restraints they didn't want to spend too much time on this offer. Being that Mance dies I guess the writers felt it wasn't that important to really go into too much detail anymore.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 14, 2015, 10:11:41 AM: Plus, it is stated in the books that Stannis had talked to Mance himself before. I don't remember if that was kept in the show, but that would explain why Jon wouldn't need to run through the entire deal again and mostly focus on the 'why'.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 14, 2015, 10:14:15 AM: When Jon came in, Mance pretty much knew what he was coming to talk to him about so I think we can assume Stannis or someone had talked to Mance before. Jon just tried to convinced him to take the deal.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2015, 10:47:21 AM: I dont remember, but I thought Stannis had said he talked to him already and told Jon to go see if he could convince him. I may be wrong, I was half asleep watching the episode.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 14, 2015, 11:29:03 AM: I checked the episode again. He never plainly says it, but he tells Jon that he knows that Mance likes him, which at least implies that they've been talking.
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Post by: ariich on April 14, 2015, 01:25:43 PM: Yeah Mance clearly knew the details already. But the details were irrelevant. It's not about "being accepted" into the lands - the wildlings are all about their freedom.
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Post by: Progmetty on April 14, 2015, 02:24:54 PM: If he knew then he's a fool for not accepting it for the sake of his people, I would have at least chosen to meet with the Wildlings tribe leaders and put it to a vote. Now what's gonna happen to the Wildlings? I don't see them being held captive anywhere by the Stannis forces which is on the move and far from base. Gonna be interesting to see what happens.
The one story I'm very invested in that wasn't touched upon in the premiere is Theon Greyjoy and Ramsay Bolton, very excited to see what's next for Theon, hoping for a good redemption story there.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 14, 2015, 03:57:09 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 14, 2015, 02:24:54 PM
If he knew then he's a fool for not accepting it for the sake of his people, I would have at least chosen to meet with the Wildlings tribe leaders and put it to a vote. Now what's gonna happen to the Wildlings? I don't see them being held captive anywhere by the Stannis forces which is on the move and far from base. Gonna be interesting to see what happens.
The one story I'm very invested in that wasn't touched upon in the premiere is Theon Greyjoy and Ramsay Bolton, very excited to see what's next for Theon, hoping for a good redemption story there.

Yea, I think Theon/Ramsay and the Boltons in general in Winterfell is going to be a good storyline this season. I think we see them next episode.
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 15, 2015, 05:44:55 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 14, 2015, 11:29:03 AM
I checked the episode again. He never plainly says it, but he tells Jon that he knows that Mance likes him, which at least implies that they've been talking.

I thought you like it when a show doesn't answer everything for you. :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 16, 2015, 07:07:05 AM: lol
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Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 07:25:15 AM: I actually rewatched it myself and yes, Stannis never said he talked to Mance, but Mance says he already knew the terms Stannis gave him implying they talked already. That was fairly clear IMO.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 09:14:17 AM: Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further. :biggrin:
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Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 10:12:58 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further. :biggrin:

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!
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Post by: BlackInk on April 16, 2015, 10:35:29 AM: Quote from: kingshmegland on April 15, 2015, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 14, 2015, 11:29:03 AM
I checked the episode again. He never plainly says it, but he tells Jon that he knows that Mance likes him, which at least implies that they've been talking.

I thought you like it when a show doesn't answer everything for you. :lol

I never said I didn't like this. I'm perfectly fine with the episode, I'm just addresing other's "concerns".
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 01:28:19 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further. :biggrin:

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me. :lol Along with.... griff....
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Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 01:38:04 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further. :biggrin:

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me. :lol Along with.... griff....

Im assuming Ramsay kills him which is why he was expendable in the show, and this may be show spoilers so read at own will (its really just fan theory)

Speculation that I read is that Brienne and Pod will take thier place and head to winterfell this season.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 02:17:58 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further. :biggrin:

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me. :lol Along with.... griff....

Im assuming Ramsay kills him which is why he was expendable in the show, and this may be show spoilers so read at own will (its really just fan theory)

Speculation that I read is that Brienne and Pod will take thier place and head to winterfell this season.

I confused now. Whose place are they taking?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 02:21:31 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 02:17:58 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further. :biggrin:

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me. :lol Along with.... griff....

Im assuming Ramsay kills him which is why he was expendable in the show, and this may be show spoilers so read at own will (its really just fan theory)

Speculation that I read is that Brienne and Pod will take thier place and head to winterfell this season.

I confused now. Whose place are they taking?
Mance and the spearwives, since Mance is dead in the TV show. Like I said, pure speculation at this point but makes sense since no Lady Stoneheart in the show so what does Brienne do?
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 19, 2015, 08:55:31 PM: This was a a really good episode! Nothing jaw-dropping happened, but a lot of good things did.

But as a book reader it was interesting/weird to see SPOILERS AHEAD

Ellaria be so bloodthirsty since in the book she's the only one seeking peace and no war. I swear some of her lines said to Doran where said by Arianne in the books, so now I'm sad because that means they wrapped that character to Ellaria (or so I'm thinking). The switch in Cersei's and Jaime's dynamic in regards to their children, show-Cersei being the one who wanted Jaime to be there for the kids and show-Jaime being all like "but incest though". And of course, Jaqen.

The choosing of the new Lord Commander of the Night's Watch felt too fast.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 02:17:58 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 16, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
Okay noowwwwww I know why I had to read further. :biggrin:

That was one of my favorite parts of DwD when you realize Mance was the fuckin man with his spearwives fuckin shit up!

That was a holy shit moment for me. :lol Along with.... griff....

Im assuming Ramsay kills him which is why he was expendable in the show, and this may be show spoilers so read at own will (its really just fan theory)

Speculation that I read is that Brienne and Pod will take thier place and head to winterfell this season.

I confused now. Whose place are they taking?
Mance and the spearwives, since Mance is dead in the TV show. Like I said, pure speculation at this point but makes sense since no Lady Stoneheart in the show so what does Brienne do?

Well now we know what Brienne is doing...
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 19, 2015, 10:13:46 PM: Oh and why do you say that there is no Lady Stoneheart? I saw one of those panel interviews where someone brought that character up and they immediately shushed the guy because it's apparently some big secret still.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 02:04:18 AM: Cool to see Jaqen again. The execution of Mossador was well done, and the former slaves hissing at Dany was creepy. Jon being the Lord Commander is awesome! I agree that it might feel rushed compared to the books, but several days and episodes of quiet political skeeming would just drag too much on the show. Nice to see Dorne (althogh briefly) for the first time.

Also, 8 out of the 9 previous posts have been either small text or referensing small text. Is Dimitrius and I the only ones with comments about the current events, and not spoilers? As someone who avoids small text like the plague, it disappoints me every time I enter this thread and there's a bunch of new posts I can't even read.
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Post by: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 02:23:29 AM: Jon Snow becoming LC felt rushed indeed. I felt like he was chosen because it was needed to advance the plot. Granted, I thought the same thing in the books, so the show nailed this one I guess. I liked Jon scene with Stannis much better though.

Great to see Jaqen back indeed, though I was a bit baffled with the fact he refused to let Arya in first, and then found her in the streets and brought her back. Why refusing her entrance in the first place, if he intended to let her enter anyway? And if not, what made him change his mind? It kind of felt like "we need to dramatically reveal Jaqen's comeback, and we can't do that in the very first Arya scene, so let's stretch this out a bit" decision.

Also, what happened to Arya's list? I seem to recall Melisandre was here for certain. And wasn't Tywin in the list too? I doubt Arya knows he's already dead at this point.

Anyway, that's just me nitpicking. I liked this episode better than the first one. Also I only have some vague ideas where Sansa storyline is going, because nothing of that sort was in the books, but I bet she's going to regret sticking with LF instead of Brienne. Because sticking with LF is always bad news. Not that she knows it, but still. :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 02:31:04 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 02:04:18 AM
Cool to see Jaqen again. The execution of Mossador was well done, and the former slaves hissing at Dany was creepy. Jon being the Lord Commander is awesome! I agree that it might feel rushed compared to the books, but several days and episodes of quiet political skeeming would just drag too much on the show. Nice to see Dorne (althogh briefly) for the first time.

Also, 8 out of the 9 previous posts have been either small text or referensing small text. Is Dimitrius and I the only ones with comments about the current events, and not spoilers? As someone who avoids small text like the plague, it disappoints me every time I enter this thread and there's a bunch of new posts I can't even read.

I was kind of glad to see the Lord Commander voting go quickly, though in the book the scheming did lend a bit of wiliness to Sam's character. I felt the banter between Tyrion and Varys was bland and really did nothing to advance their story. How long before Griff..hehe.

I was glad to see Drogon come back, albeit for a quick moment.

It should be interesting to see the wise ass banter between Bronn and Jaime also. I'm not sure I fully agree with that change.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 20, 2015, 03:12:44 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 02:23:29 AM
Great to see Jaqen back indeed, though I was a bit baffled with the fact he refused to let Arya in first, and then found her in the streets and brought her back. Why refusing her entrance in the first place, if he intended to let her enter anyway? And if not, what made him change his mind? It kind of felt like "we need to dramatically reveal Jaqen's comeback, and we can't do that in the very first Arya scene, so let's stretch this out a bit" decision.

Also, what happened to Arya's list? I seem to recall Melisandre was here for certain. And wasn't Tywin in the list too? I doubt Arya knows he's already dead at this point.

I thought it had to do with her standing up to those thugs in the street, like maybe a test of character or something. I dunno.

I couldn't even make out the last name on her list, who was it?
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 03:21:46 AM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on April 20, 2015, 03:12:44 AM
Quote from: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 02:23:29 AM
Great to see Jaqen back indeed, though I was a bit baffled with the fact he refused to let Arya in first, and then found her in the streets and brought her back. Why refusing her entrance in the first place, if he intended to let her enter anyway? And if not, what made him change his mind? It kind of felt like "we need to dramatically reveal Jaqen's comeback, and we can't do that in the very first Arya scene, so let's stretch this out a bit" decision.

Also, what happened to Arya's list? I seem to recall Melisandre was here for certain. And wasn't Tywin in the list too? I doubt Arya knows he's already dead at this point.

I thought it had to do with her standing up to those thugs in the street, like maybe a test of character or something. I dunno.

I couldn't even make out the last name on her list, who was it?

sneakyblueberry

;D
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Post by: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 03:24:19 AM: Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 03:31:42 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 03:24:19 AM
Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.

But Arya was unaware of that, so that's not the reason he is on her list. He is the one that was sent to kidnap her and he "killed" Syrio Forel.
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Post by: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 03:34:18 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 03:31:42 AM
Quote from: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 03:24:19 AM
Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.

But Arya was unaware of that, so that's not the reason he is on her list. He is the one that was sent to kidnap her and he "killed" Syrio Forel.

Yeah, I know, I just used the first scene that popped up into my head with the guy. :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 03:40:10 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 03:34:18 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 03:31:42 AM
Quote from: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 03:24:19 AM
Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.

But Arya was unaware of that, so that's not the reason he is on her list. He is the one that was sent to kidnap her and he "killed" Syrio Forel.

Yeah, I know, I just used the first scene that popped up into my head with the guy. :lol

I figured that. So nobody else but me think Syrio Forel might still be alive?
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Post by: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 03:43:31 AM: I have heard that thought before. I suppose it's possible, but I don't see how it could be relevant, so he's probably dead.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 03:45:28 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 03:43:31 AM
I have heard that thought before. I suppose it's possible, but I don't see how it could be relevant, so he's probably dead.

I think relevance is irrelevant in GRRM's mind. :lol
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Post by: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 04:00:54 AM: Well, he was from Braavos, right? So if he's not dead, we may meet him this season. I don't know if he's alive or dead; I think he's dead, but I think we won't ever get the answer about that. Intentional vagueness and all that.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 04:07:36 AM: I only say that because it clearly never says he dies in the book. And if you watch the episode where he "dies", after the scene cuts away from him to Arya, the first thing you hear fall to the ground is a metal sword. So who is to say he wasn't able to unsword someone and survive?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2015, 06:29:17 AM: Cool to see Jaqen again, but I can't tell if its the same actual person or its a different person who is just using his face. Either way, cool to see the actor again.

Streamlining Jon becoming LC was a good choice, there seems to be bigger plans for Jon this season than the book version so making him LC sooner rather than later was a good choice and Sam giving his speech was awesome.

Arya's list of names was significantly shorter, I thought that was weird. I guess the show is just dropping the names of the people who isnt likely to kill? No idea there, just weird.

The Mereen storyline seems like it will be much more interesting than in the books and seeing Drogon again was awesome. The two dragon scenes this seasons showed thatn Dany really only has a bond with 1 of the 3 of them.

I really liked the Small council scene with Kevan and Qyburn. I think in general, I always like the small council scenes, but this one was cool because the council is just soo different now.

Bronn looked so different yet acted the exact same! I don't have good feelings for him going to Dorne though. Jaime going there could be a better storyline than where he goes in the books. Should be very interesting to see how that plays out.

And Dorne looks awesome! I was surprised it didn't show up in the opening credits though, I got to think it shows up next week though? Maybe replace the Eyrie since I don't believe any characters are actually there now. Doran looks the part too, as well area Aero Hotah.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 20, 2015, 06:36:36 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 03:24:19 AM
Meryn Trant? You know, that guy from Kingsguard. If I recall correctly, he was the one who beat Sansa on Joffrey's orders back in Season 2.

Ahhhhhh right. Nice, nice.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 20, 2015, 07:22:17 AM: One thing I forgot to say on the last post. The show knights of the Vale are still totally worthless! :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 20, 2015, 07:48:54 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 20, 2015, 07:22:17 AM
One thing I forgot to say on the last post. The show knights of the Vale are still totally worthless! :lol

:lol Seriously, they couldn't find a woman who is taller than the trees and a halfwit squire.
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Post by: Zantera on April 20, 2015, 11:25:10 AM: S5 is off to a great start. :)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 20, 2015, 11:41:47 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 20, 2015, 06:29:17 AM
and seeing Drogon again was awesome. The two dragon scenes this seasons showed thatn Dany really only has a bond with 1 of the 3 of them.

Well in fairness she's had the other two chained and locked away so they're probably pretty ticked at her :lol Once (if) she frees them I'm sure Drogon being the Alpha and leader will basically control those two anyway, so she really just needs to maintain that bond with him.

I've not read the books so I'm strictly a show watcher and I'd say all in all the season is off to a good start....seems like they opened with two 'build' episodes rather than in your face 'action'....but it's been neat. I really liked the 'vote' getting Jon Snow in as leader and it was awesome seeing Cersi's uncle put her in her place!
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Post by: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 11:46:13 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 20, 2015, 11:41:47 AM
I've not read the books so I'm strictly a show watcher and I'd say all in all the season is off to a good start....seems like they opened with two 'build' episodes rather than in your face 'action'....but it's been neat. I really liked the 'vote' getting Jon Snow in as leader and it was awesome seeing Cersi's uncle put her in her place!

Yeah, I really liked that small council scene. Loved Kevan standing up to Cersei, and the actor is great too. One of my favourite moments of this episode.
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Post by: faizoff on April 20, 2015, 11:58:44 AM: LOVED the two episodes so far. The last episode felt like half setup and half story progression with Daenerys and her decision in the public eye. The small council scene was awesome, as they usually always are. I have to say this is one show where I literally listen to every single word during spoken parts.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 20, 2015, 12:29:18 PM: I like the anticipation of Tyrion arriving to meet Daenerys right at the time she desperately NEEDS exactly HIM to essentially 'train' her to be a Queen. Teach her the ins and outs and what not. She's surrounded by some good advisers.....but getting him on board and having his expertise....knowledge AND inside information about King's Landing and all the 7 Kingdoms.....that can only be good for her IMO.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 12:36:34 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 20, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
Yeah, I really liked that small council scene. Loved Kevan standing up to Cersei, and the actor is great too. One of my favourite moments of this episode.

Plus, Qyburn is looking super creepy in that chair.
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Post by: masterthes on April 20, 2015, 12:36:55 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 20, 2015, 06:29:17 AM
Cool to see Jaqen again, but I can't tell if its the same actual person or its a different person who is just using his face. Either way, cool to see the actor again.

Streamlining Jon becoming LC was a good choice, there seems to be bigger plans for Jon this season than the book version so making him LC sooner rather than later was a good choice and Sam giving his speech was awesome.

Arya's list of names was significantly shorter, I thought that was weird. I guess the show is just dropping the names of the people who isnt likely to kill? No idea there, just weird.

The Mereen storyline seems like it will be much more interesting than in the books and seeing Drogon again was awesome. The two dragon scenes this seasons showed thatn Dany really only has a bond with 1 of the 3 of them.

I really liked the Small council scene with Kevan and Qyburn. I think in general, I always like the small council scenes, but this one was cool because the council is just soo different now.

Bronn looked so different yet acted the exact same! I don't have good feelings for him going to Dorne though. Jaime going there could be a better storyline than where he goes in the books. Should be very interesting to see how that plays out.

And Dorne looks awesome! I was surprised it didn't show up in the opening credits though, I got to think it shows up next week though? Maybe replace the Eyrie since I don't believe any characters are actually there now. Doran looks the part too, as well area Aero Hotah.
If I recall, wasn't that at the end of book 3, and aren't they like in book 4/5 territory right now? So technically, I'd say they're pretty much right on track
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Post by: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 12:52:01 PM: Yeah, Jon's election is his last chapter from A Storm of Swords. So from now on, Jon is into his Feast For Crows/Dance With Dragons stuff.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 20, 2015, 01:28:36 PM: Honestly, some of the changes already seen this season have me kinda excited. Especially Jaime and Bronn buddy-ing it up!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2015, 01:53:02 PM: Quote from: masterthes on April 20, 2015, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 20, 2015, 06:29:17 AM
Cool to see Jaqen again, but I can't tell if its the same actual person or its a different person who is just using his face. Either way, cool to see the actor again.

Streamlining Jon becoming LC was a good choice, there seems to be bigger plans for Jon this season than the book version so making him LC sooner rather than later was a good choice and Sam giving his speech was awesome.

Arya's list of names was significantly shorter, I thought that was weird. I guess the show is just dropping the names of the people who isnt likely to kill? No idea there, just weird.

The Mereen storyline seems like it will be much more interesting than in the books and seeing Drogon again was awesome. The two dragon scenes this seasons showed thatn Dany really only has a bond with 1 of the 3 of them.

I really liked the Small council scene with Kevan and Qyburn. I think in general, I always like the small council scenes, but this one was cool because the council is just soo different now.

Bronn looked so different yet acted the exact same! I don't have good feelings for him going to Dorne though. Jaime going there could be a better storyline than where he goes in the books. Should be very interesting to see how that plays out.

And Dorne looks awesome! I was surprised it didn't show up in the opening credits though, I got to think it shows up next week though? Maybe replace the Eyrie since I don't believe any characters are actually there now. Doran looks the part too, as well area Aero Hotah.
If I recall, wasn't that at the end of book 3, and aren't they like in book 4/5 territory right now? So technically, I'd say they're pretty much right on track

Yup, from book 3. I meant that the book version of him becoming LC was a bit longer process and the show cut most of that long process out which was what I enjoyed.

Quote from: Dimitrius on April 20, 2015, 01:28:36 PM
Honestly, some of the changes already seen this season have me kinda excited. Especially Jaime and Bronn buddy-ing it up!

This. Instead of adding more characters, they are using existing characters and having them interact with other existing characters (such as Brienne). I very much enjoy this.
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Post by: faizoff on April 20, 2015, 02:00:53 PM: Meant to post this here instead of the other thread.

Also another great piece of conversation between Tyrion and Varys. Excellent banter by the two actors.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 02:38:29 PM: Yeah, I've heard several people saying that that scene was unnessecary, but I certainly enjoyed it.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2015, 02:40:49 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 02:38:29 PM
Yeah, I've heard several people saying that that scene was unnessecary, but I certainly enjoyed it.

Well Varys mentioned they are going to Volantis which is interesting and changes where we thought they were going from last week (Mereen) so that scene doesnt seem unnecessary to me for that alone, plus the additional dialogue between those two characters.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 20, 2015, 03:46:29 PM: Well to be fair they are still going to Meereen, Volantis is just a pit stop on their way there. But I agree, the scene offered both an update and some new details to their journey, as well as giving us fun dialogue.
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Post by: ariich on April 20, 2015, 04:47:50 PM: Two episodes in and they're doing some really good stuff so far. Qyburn was really creepy, Kevan is completely awesome, Cersei is a bitch, Doran was great, and JAQEN! That was a nice touch.
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Post by: Progmetty on April 20, 2015, 09:39:06 PM: I was glad to see the same actor from before playing Jaqen H'ghar, his last appearance kinda gave me the impression that he'll keep changing faces and that if we ever get to see him again it will be a different actor, I really like that actor's performance and delivery.
On the question of why Jaqen didn't admit Arya right away; I think it might have something to do with her asking for him by name, I only got that impression from what he said at the end of the episode.
The Red Lady was definitely on Arya's list, I dunno why she isn't anymore.
My eyes kinda watered when Stannis offered Jon legitimacy, he really deserved it and I would have taken it but I understand why he didn't, it would have led to a story of a fairy tale finish if he conquers as the lord of Winterfell and along with Stannis become the new Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark. A vengeance story similar to the one Martin avoided by killing Rob Stark. Also I think Stannis would have killed Jon Snow once he sat on the Iron Throne, he's too full of himself to knowingly have someone who's family name has so much loyal following rule the North.
Daenerys Targaryen is incredibly stupid, I think she should let a French Revolution kind of aftermath happen between the former slaves and the old masters, yes it's good that she wouldn't let the slaves retaliate with massacres under her rule but she still needs them to put constant fear into the masters hearts.
Still waiting to see Theon Grejoy.
Everything about this show is exciting hehe
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 20, 2015, 11:56:55 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 20, 2015, 09:39:06 PM
On the question of why Jaqen didn't admit Arya right away; I think it might have something to do with her asking for him by name, I only got that impression from what he said at the end of the episode.
It was kinda of a teaching moment, Jaqen is a Faceless Man and Faceless Men are no one because they can be anyone.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 21, 2015, 02:23:32 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 20, 2015, 09:39:06 PM
The Red Lady was definitely on Arya's list, I dunno why she isn't anymore.

I've been thinking that it's maybe because she doesn't know her name. She says in season 4 that Rorge couldn't be on her list because she didn't know his name. But still, if that's true, I don't know why Melisandre was ever on her list at all.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 21, 2015, 06:30:10 AM: Finally watched the new episode last night, and as a fan of the novels, I was left with a large sense of WTF

But it was definitely a good episode. Just really weird for me.
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Post by: Evermind on April 21, 2015, 06:32:40 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 21, 2015, 06:30:10 AM
Finally watched the new episode last night, and as a fan of the novels, I was left with a large sense of WTF

They included Lyanna Mormont's letter though! I really liked that.
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Post by: Podaar on April 21, 2015, 06:35:11 AM: Yeah, Mrs. P and I had a long conversation last night about the changes. At first, I think we both were lamenting any changes... but the more we talked it out the less negative impact we can foresee. I think there really could be some major upsides to the changes too. Bron and Jamie's mission could be really fun.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 21, 2015, 06:49:54 AM: Quote from: Podaar on April 21, 2015, 06:35:11 AM
Yeah, Mrs. P and I had a long conversation last night about the changes. At first, I think we both were lamenting any changes... but the more we talked it out the less negative impact we can foresee. I think there really could be some major upsides to the changes too. Bron and Jamie's mission could be really fun.

Of course that will be fun. You have two of the three biggest wiseasses in the show.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 07:07:48 AM: The pairing of Jaime and Bronn can be a lot of fun to see and it's a change to the books that I think will be very good although

I do fear for Bronn's life now, which would suck because he is one entertaining character, but given his book counterpart's story is seemingly done and the book version of what happens to the Kings Guard in Dorne isn't very positive. If someone dies here, I doubt it is Jaime so that leaves Bronn very susceptible. At the same time, without Arianne, who knows what's going to happen with the Dornish plot
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 21, 2015, 07:28:04 AM: Yes, the pairing of Jaime and Bronn should be entertaining, to say the least.
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Post by: faizoff on April 21, 2015, 07:28:29 AM: Anyone a fan of soundtracks of the show? I love the OSTs of season 3 and 4. Some of my fav tracks are from 4: Watchers on the wall, Thenns & The Children. Dracarys from season 3 is a great one as well. Many other tracks are excellent as well. I'm sure this season's soudtrack will be great as well.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 21, 2015, 07:35:15 AM: The track 'Breaker of Chains' from season 4 is probably my favorite. Very powerful. I have even formed a scene from my own novel to the emotion of that track.
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Post by: faizoff on April 21, 2015, 07:38:49 AM: Yea love that track as well. Also the 2nd part of First of his name, love the buildup and high sense of dread in the track.
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Post by: Progmetty on April 21, 2015, 08:16:32 AM: At this point I can't see Stannis being patient with Jon anymore, he turned down his offer and have not been of any use to him. I wonder what Stannis will do with him and whether Jon being commander of the NW makes him immune in the eyes of Stannis.
Speaking of Stannis; the actress that plays his wife is pretty good at portraying the dumb religious face of the devoted, that plain yet aggressive look.
And of that religion; does anybody think Melisandre is fake? I used to think so but she's shown enough to prove her god is the true god, unless all the does is that world's version of black magic. Her deal with the spell to kill Joffry and Rob Stark seemed to have work but maybe it was just coincidence since the spell also included papa Greyjoy -don't remember his first name- who's still alive, I don't remember if Tywin Lannister was on her list as well.

Quote from: faizoff on April 21, 2015, 07:28:29 AM
Anyone a fan of soundtracks of the show? I love the OSTs of season 3 and 4. Some of my fav tracks are from 4: Watchers on the wall, Thenns & The Children. Dracarys from season 3 is a great one as well. Many other tracks are excellent as well. I'm sure this season's soudtrack will be great as well.

I love the soundtrack CDs, The Children from season 4 OST and the slowed down theme titled Game of Thrones on the 2st or 2nd OST are among my favorites.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 21, 2015, 08:24:18 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 21, 2015, 08:16:32 AM
At this point I can't see Stannis being patient with Jon anymore, he turned down his offer and have not been of any use to him. I wonder what Stannis will do with him and whether Jon being commander of the NW makes him immune in the eyes of Stannis.

I'd think Stannis understands Jon's importance in getting the Wildlings and the NW to fight with him. I can't see him ordering Jon to be maimed or executed.....it just wouldn't do him any good to do that. I think he knows Jon is a leader and someone who a lot of people will follow so he just has to figure out the right way to convince Jon to help him.
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Post by: Evermind on April 21, 2015, 08:27:50 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 21, 2015, 08:16:32 AM
Her deal with the spell to kill Joffry and Rob Stark seemed to have work but maybe it was just coincidence since the spell also included papa Greyjoy -don't remember his first name- who's still alive, I don't remember if Tywin Lannister was on her list as well.

Tywin wasn't on the list, only Robb, Joff and Balon. ~~Maybe the leech that sucked the dick didn't work for some reason~~ I really think it was just a coincidence. I don't see how leeches had anything to do with Red Wedding and the smartass plan of poisoning Joffrey.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 08:34:29 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 21, 2015, 08:24:18 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on April 21, 2015, 08:16:32 AM
At this point I can't see Stannis being patient with Jon anymore, he turned down his offer and have not been of any use to him. I wonder what Stannis will do with him and whether Jon being commander of the NW makes him immune in the eyes of Stannis.

I'd think Stannis understands Jon's importance in getting the Wildlings and the NW to fight with him. I can't see him ordering Jon to be maimed or executed.....it just wouldn't do him any good to do that. I think he knows Jon is a leader and someone who a lot of people will follow so he just has to figure out the right way to convince Jon to help him.

Yup, plus Stannis has a lot of respect for Jon being that he is half Stark, hence the offer in the first place. Im actually surprised there was no words about Jon killing Mance before the flames did. I would have thought Melisandre would not like that, and what about Mance's blood. Was he not a true enough king for her to not find some magic with his blood?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 21, 2015, 08:55:20 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 08:34:29 AM
Im actually surprised there was no words about Jon killing Mance before the flames did.
There were.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 21, 2015, 09:06:23 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 08:34:29 AM
I would have thought Melisandre would not like that, and what about Mance's blood. Was he not a true enough king for her to not find some magic with his blood?

She pretty clearly stated that Mance was 'your king of lies', so I wouldn't think so. She went through some trouble to get to Gendry, because he was a Baratheon, so I think that only Baratheon blood means something to her in the regard of 'king's blood'.
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Post by: Progmetty on April 21, 2015, 10:41:14 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 21, 2015, 08:24:18 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on April 21, 2015, 08:16:32 AM
At this point I can't see Stannis being patient with Jon anymore, he turned down his offer and have not been of any use to him. I wonder what Stannis will do with him and whether Jon being commander of the NW makes him immune in the eyes of Stannis.

I'd think Stannis understands Jon's importance in getting the Wildlings and the NW to fight with him. I can't see him ordering Jon to be maimed or executed.....it just wouldn't do him any good to do that. I think he knows Jon is a leader and someone who a lot of people will follow so he just has to figure out the right way to convince Jon to help him.

But that's the thing though; Stannis is rarely logical in his retaliation against those who won't help or obey him, he was easily going to kill Davos for letting Gendry go even though Davos is his only non-religious adviser and long time companion, kinda why I'm thinking he'd be thinking of punishing Jon, for not being able to convince Mance to take his offer, for mercy killing Mance and finally for the offer to fight with him as the heir to Winterfell.

Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 08:34:29 AM
Im actually surprised there was no words about Jon killing Mance before the flames did.

Stannis mentioned his dismay about it to Jon Snow.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 11:55:10 AM: Yea, clearly I missed that :huh:
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 21, 2015, 01:31:30 PM: Speaking from the OST, I've really enjoyed them so far. My favorite tracks, besides the intro duh, are probably: "A Lannister Always Pays His Debts", the slowed down instrumental version of the Rains of Castamere from the s3 soundtrack and "Mhysa" also from that soundtrack. The chanting in that song makes it so epic!

And in regards to Arya's list, at least the exclusion of Tywin and Joffrey from the list: Braavos is a big port city that gets lots and lots of ships from Westeros, it's also the closest of the Free Cities to Westeros. I don't think it's a stretch she heard about their downfall while walking around town. But I have no idea why she didn't mention Melisandre.

Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 07:07:48 AM
I do fear for Bronn's life now, which would suck because he is one entertaining character, but given his book counterpart's story is seemingly done and the book version of what happens to the Kings Guard in Dorne isn't very positive. If someone dies here, I doubt it is Jaime so that leaves Bronn very susceptible. At the same time, without Arianne, who knows what's going to happen with the Dornish plot
Yeah, I think Bronn takes Arys Oakheart's part in this story and dies unfortunately. It seems the show merged Arianne to Ellaria, some of the lines she said to Doran I remember where said by Arianne.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 02:16:20 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 21, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 07:07:48 AM
I do fear for Bronn's life now, which would suck because he is one entertaining character, but given his book counterpart's story is seemingly done and the book version of what happens to the Kings Guard in Dorne isn't very positive. If someone dies here, I doubt it is Jaime so that leaves Bronn very susceptible. At the same time, without Arianne, who knows what's going to happen with the Dornish plot
Yeah, I think Bronn takes Arys Oakheart's part in this story and dies unfortunately. It seems the show merged Arianne to Ellaria, some of the lines she said to Doran I remember where said by Arianne.

Yea I was thinking that could be the case, but Ellaria never mentioned anything about crowning Myrcella so that's why I am just unsure of how the show is going to do the Dornish plot. I guess that could happen in the next episodes even though this episode she wanted to kill her, I just love how I have no idea what's going to happen anymore!
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Post by: Evermind on April 21, 2015, 02:20:15 PM: Quote
And in regards to Arya's list, at least the exclusion of Tywin and Joffrey from the list: Braavos is a big port city that gets lots and lots of ships from Westeros, it's also the closest of the Free Cities to Westeros. I don't think it's a stretch she heard about their downfall while walking around town. But I have no idea why she didn't mention Melisandre.

But she didn't wander around the town, I thought she was delivered straight to House of Black and White. But I guess that makes sense. It's a minor nitpick anyway.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 02:22:42 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 21, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
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And in regards to Arya's list, at least the exclusion of Tywin and Joffrey from the list: Braavos is a big port city that gets lots and lots of ships from Westeros, it's also the closest of the Free Cities to Westeros. I don't think it's a stretch she heard about their downfall while walking around town. But I have no idea why she didn't mention Melisandre.

But she didn't wander around the town, I thought she was delivered straight to House of Black and White. But I guess that makes sense. It's a minor nitpick anyway.

Well after her initial denial, she was lurking around town where she cut the head off that bird and then was confronted by the boys who wanted Needle, it at least appeared to look like she had been wandering through the town.
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Post by: Evermind on April 21, 2015, 02:26:16 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: Evermind on April 21, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
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And in regards to Arya's list, at least the exclusion of Tywin and Joffrey from the list: Braavos is a big port city that gets lots and lots of ships from Westeros, it's also the closest of the Free Cities to Westeros. I don't think it's a stretch she heard about their downfall while walking around town. But I have no idea why she didn't mention Melisandre.

But she didn't wander around the town, I thought she was delivered straight to House of Black and White. But I guess that makes sense. It's a minor nitpick anyway.

Well after her initial denial, she was lurking around town where she cut the head off that bird and then was confronted by the boys who wanted Needle, it at least appeared to look like she had been wandering through the town.

Yeah, but she recited her list before that.

And she also doesn't know about The Mountain being dead, even though it was kind of a big deal, their duel with Oberyn and stuff.

It's not like it matters though, Tywin is dead anyway. I was just surprised her list is so short st this point.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 02:31:20 PM: Yea I can kind of live without Tywin and the Mountain being on the list, but the ones who are still alive and no longer on her list is what is really baffling. Its like the writers thought we'd all forget the names.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 21, 2015, 03:07:38 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 21, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2015, 07:07:48 AM
I do fear for Bronn's life now, which would suck because he is one entertaining character, but given his book counterpart's story is seemingly done and the book version of what happens to the Kings Guard in Dorne isn't very positive. If someone dies here, I doubt it is Jaime so that leaves Bronn very susceptible. At the same time, without Arianne, who knows what's going to happen with the Dornish plot
Yeah, I think Bronn takes Arys Oakheart's part in this story and dies unfortunately. It seems the show merged Arianne to Ellaria, some of the lines she said to Doran I remember where said by Arianne.

Yea I was thinking that could be the case, but Ellaria never mentioned anything about crowning Myrcella so that's why I am just unsure of how the show is going to do the Dornish plot. I guess that could happen in the next episodes even though this episode she wanted to kill her, I just love how I have no idea what's going to happen anymore!

Maybe it wasn't mentioned because the Sand Snakes are the ones who will mentioned it.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 22, 2015, 09:13:23 AM: Is the Mountain even dead though? Last we saw him Qyburn was going to try to save him.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2015, 09:31:45 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 22, 2015, 09:13:23 AM
Is the Mountain even dead though? Last we saw him Qyburn was going to try to save him.

Yea, its kind of open as to whether or not he is actually dead. I think its assumed he is dead, but we do not know other than what you state. And I dont think anyone is truly confirmed dead until the head is cut off or they are buried in this show :lol Leaves the door open for the Hound as well. Funny how those two are both supposedly dead from one on one fight wounds, but neither are confirmed dead.
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Post by: Evermind on April 22, 2015, 09:34:12 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 22, 2015, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 22, 2015, 09:13:23 AM
Is the Mountain even dead though? Last we saw him Qyburn was going to try to save him.

Yea, its kind of open as to whether or not he is actually dead. I think its assumed he is dead, but we do not know other than what you state. And I dont think anyone is truly confirmed dead until the head is cut off or they are buried in this show :lol Leaves the door open for the Hound as well. Funny how those two are both supposedly dead from one on one fight wounds, but neither are confirmed dead.

Yeah, no dead body = no certain death for me. And don't forget Thoros was able to bring back even dead Beric Dondarrion. Still, I guess everyone in Westeros except Qyburn assume the Mountain is dead.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 22, 2015, 11:27:22 AM: Well there was a rather large body spotted in that room.

(https://i.imgur.com/fhaFMG8.jpg)

Now there's no assurance if that's The Mountain or not.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 22, 2015, 11:29:07 AM: Pace is about to pick up, people.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2015, 11:43:33 AM: I think its safe to assume that body is the Mountain, but that picture doesn't make whether he is alive or dead clear.

Quote from: Cyclopssss on April 22, 2015, 11:29:07 AM
Pace is about to pick up, people.

Do you know this because you watched the leaks? Just curious, I figured it has to pick up only because the first two episodes were really "season arc set up" episodes so I assume things are going to pick up anyway, but I am curious if this season can keep up with the pace from last season where it seemed like something major happened in every episode.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2015, 11:52:50 AM: I haven't seen the leaks, or read anything about them.

But I would imagine that the pace really will start to pick up. It seems like they are shortcutting and combining various sequences from the books to get to things quickly. Which is fine with me.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 22, 2015, 12:23:50 PM: I have seen the leaks. Sorry. I shouldn´t say anything about it. But if you Liked the first two episodes, you´re gonna love the next two. I promise.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2015, 12:25:09 PM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on April 22, 2015, 12:23:50 PM
I have seen the leaks. Sorry. I shouldn´t say anything about it. But if you Liked the first two episodes, you´re gonna love the next two. I promise.

Well I dont think you spoiled anything so its all good from my view :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 22, 2015, 12:29:38 PM: Who's been nailing Cersei lately? Last time she got it if I recall right was by Joff's corpse and then maybe one more time before she got pissed off at Jaime for releasing Tryion, I'm wondering cause she's had a couple of polite responses to people in the last couple of episodes which leads me to think she has a strange reversed psyche where she's nicer without a constant D, just a though heh
I think The Mountain almost died or actually died and the creepy doctor -is he nailing Cersei btw?- is bringing him back in the form of an even more powerful sort of mutant warrior, like a Frankenstein thing, just a personal theory.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 22, 2015, 02:35:50 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 22, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
no dead body = no certain death
This should always be remembered in Game of Thrones/Song of Ice and Fire.

On the flipside, literally any character could be killed in future.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2015, 03:19:43 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 22, 2015, 02:35:50 PM
Quote from: Evermind on April 22, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
no dead body = no certain death
This should always be remembered in Game of Thrones/Song of Ice and Fire.

On the flipside, literally any character could be killed in future.

Yup, and I expect a lot of deaths coming up for characters who aren't dead yet in the books or who die in the books and arent dead yet in the show!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 22, 2015, 04:03:06 PM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on April 22, 2015, 12:23:50 PM
I have seen the leaks. Sorry. I shouldn´t say anything about it. But if you Liked the first two episodes, you´re gonna love the next two. I promise.

I gave in and watched them myself this morning. That's all I'll say about that here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 24, 2015, 01:44:41 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 22, 2015, 12:29:38 PM
Who's been nailing Cersei lately? Last time she got it if I recall right was by Joff's corpse and then maybe one more time before she got pissed off at Jaime for releasing Tryion, I'm wondering cause she's had a couple of polite responses to people in the last couple of episodes which leads me to think she has a strange reversed psyche where she's nicer without a constant D, just a though heh
I think The Mountain almost died or actually died and the creepy doctor -is he nailing Cersei btw?- is bringing him back in the form of an even more powerful sort of mutant warrior, like a Frankenstein thing, just a personal theory.

lol why does this even care
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 05:22:35 AM: Well I think we can all agree Cersei is not a normal woman, she's got some deep issues and I think the flashback we saw this season showed she got a bad prophecy which may be why she has been driven mad in trying to protect her children.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on April 24, 2015, 07:01:36 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 05:22:35 AM
Well I think we can all agree Cersei is not a normal woman, she's got some deep issues and I think the flashback we saw this season showed she got a bad prophecy which may be why she has been driven mad in trying to protect her children.

That was one of the good surprises this season. I think it's cool that they showed this memory from her childhood. It explains a great deal about her motivations...she would do whatever she can think of to twist the witched prediction around to her liking.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 07:07:46 AM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on April 24, 2015, 01:44:41 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on April 22, 2015, 12:29:38 PM
Who's been nailing Cersei lately? Last time she got it if I recall right was by Joff's corpse and then maybe one more time before she got pissed off at Jaime for releasing Tryion, I'm wondering cause she's had a couple of polite responses to people in the last couple of episodes which leads me to think she has a strange reversed psyche where she's nicer without a constant D, just a though heh
I think The Mountain almost died or actually died and the creepy doctor -is he nailing Cersei btw?- is bringing him back in the form of an even more powerful sort of mutant warrior, like a Frankenstein thing, just a personal theory.

lol why does this even care

With all of that pent up hate and frustration, she must be an animal in bed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Bolsters on April 24, 2015, 07:36:50 AM: Only if you're related. :lol I can't imagine Robert ever getting much enthusiasm from her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 07:41:05 AM: Quote from: Bolsters on April 24, 2015, 07:36:50 AM
Only if you're related. :lol I can't imagine Robert ever getting much enthusiasm from her.

He was too drunk all of the time. I gladly would put the wine down to have a night with her. ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 07:50:26 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 07:41:05 AM
Quote from: Bolsters on April 24, 2015, 07:36:50 AM
Only if you're related. :lol I can't imagine Robert ever getting much enthusiasm from her.

He was too drunk all of the time. I gladly would put the wine down to have a night with her. ;)

lol as would I. But they did not have good sex as she admitted in season 1 in the rare case they actually did.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 08:02:42 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 07:50:26 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 07:41:05 AM
Quote from: Bolsters on April 24, 2015, 07:36:50 AM
Only if you're related. :lol I can't imagine Robert ever getting much enthusiasm from her.

He was too drunk all of the time. I gladly would put the wine down to have a night with her. ;)

lol as would I. But they did not have good sex as she admitted in season 1 in the rare case they actually did.

No they did not. I remember that episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 24, 2015, 08:16:10 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 08:02:42 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 07:50:26 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 07:41:05 AM
Quote from: Bolsters on April 24, 2015, 07:36:50 AM
Only if you're related. :lol I can't imagine Robert ever getting much enthusiasm from her.

He was too drunk all of the time. I gladly would put the wine down to have a night with her. ;)

lol as would I. But they did not have good sex as she admitted in season 1 in the rare case they actually did.

No they did not. I remember that episode.

They did have a child though? Black-haired one that died as an infant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 09:13:44 AM: Yes, I just watched that episode with my new female friend and she said he did what little he could in bed cause he was always drunk and they did have one baratheon child together who died after birth.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 24, 2015, 10:04:55 AM: She also said that she "finished him off in other ways".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 10:40:25 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 24, 2015, 10:04:55 AM
She also said that she "finished him off in other ways".

Yea, Im not really sure what she was implying though. I get that in normal sexual situations but it wasnt clear to me what she really meant. But two reasons why they definitely had sex:

1. Had to consumate the marriage, and maybe the first baby was the proof of that happening.
2. Robert would have known the other children weren't his if he wasn't banging Cersei, although this could be argued that he may have been too drunk to realize he wasnt finishing inside her, but as drunk as he was on the show, he always seemed to know what was going on around him. Like he didnt appear blackout drunk on the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2015, 10:43:50 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 24, 2015, 10:04:55 AM
She also said that she "finished him off in other ways".
With her hands or mouth.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 10:50:22 AM: Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2015, 10:50:58 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
Nothing wrong with that.
Certainly not.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 24, 2015, 11:44:48 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 10:40:25 AM
2. Robert would have known the other children weren't his if he wasn't banging Cersei, although this could be argued that he may have been too drunk to realize he wasnt finishing inside her, but as drunk as he was on the show, he always seemed to know what was going on around him. Like he didnt appear blackout drunk on the show.

We just didn't see those moments. It's no stretch of imagination to assume that the Robert portrayed on the show could be that drunk after a long day of partying or whatever. I'd also say that he had to be really drunk to even try having sex with Cersei, given how they feel about each other.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 10:29:00 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 24, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 24, 2015, 10:40:25 AM
2. Robert would have known the other children weren't his if he wasn't banging Cersei, although this could be argued that he may have been too drunk to realize he wasnt finishing inside her, but as drunk as he was on the show, he always seemed to know what was going on around him. Like he didnt appear blackout drunk on the show.

We just didn't see those moments. It's no stretch of imagination to assume that the Robert portrayed on the show could be that drunk after a long day of partying or whatever. I'd also say that he had to be really drunk to even try having sex with Cersei, given how they feel about each other.

Especially considered who she was smitten with. Wasn't it said that she was hoping to marry one of the Targaryens?

And obviously Robert didn't get the bride he wanted either, Lyanna Stark.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 25, 2015, 12:20:36 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 10:29:00 PM
Especially considered who she was smitten with. Wasn't it said that she was hoping to marry one of the Targaryens?

I think she was more interested in the position that came with marrying Rhaegar more than Rhaegar himself. But I think she said in a season 1 episode that she actually did love Robert, or at least genuinely tried, for a while in the beginning.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 25, 2015, 12:30:01 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 25, 2015, 12:20:36 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 10:29:00 PM
Especially considered who she was smitten with. Wasn't it said that she was hoping to marry one of the Targaryens?

I think she was more interested in the position that came with marrying Rhaegar more than Rhaegar himself. But I think she said in a season 1 episode that she actually did love Robert, or at least genuinely tried, for a while in the beginning.

You might be right. I don't remember the exacts words she used.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2015, 08:20:43 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 25, 2015, 12:30:01 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 25, 2015, 12:20:36 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 10:29:00 PM
Especially considered who she was smitten with. Wasn't it said that she was hoping to marry one of the Targaryens?

I think she was more interested in the position that came with marrying Rhaegar more than Rhaegar himself. But I think she said in a season 1 episode that she actually did love Robert, or at least genuinely tried, for a while in the beginning.

You might be right. I don't remember the exacts words she used.

Yup, she said she was in love with Robert in the beginning and wanted to marry him. It was their wedding night when he called her Lyanna that she realized he didn't love her back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 25, 2015, 11:05:33 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 25, 2015, 08:20:43 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 25, 2015, 12:30:01 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 25, 2015, 12:20:36 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 10:29:00 PM
Especially considered who she was smitten with. Wasn't it said that she was hoping to marry one of the Targaryens?

I think she was more interested in the position that came with marrying Rhaegar more than Rhaegar himself. But I think she said in a season 1 episode that she actually did love Robert, or at least genuinely tried, for a while in the beginning.

You might be right. I don't remember the exacts words she used.

Yup, she said she was in love with Robert in the beginning and wanted to marry him. It was their wedding night when he called her Lyanna that she realized he didn't love her back.

It's all coming back to me now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 26, 2015, 12:20:05 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 25, 2015, 08:20:43 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 25, 2015, 12:30:01 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 25, 2015, 12:20:36 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 24, 2015, 10:29:00 PM
Especially considered who she was smitten with. Wasn't it said that she was hoping to marry one of the Targaryens?

I think she was more interested in the position that came with marrying Rhaegar more than Rhaegar himself. But I think she said in a season 1 episode that she actually did love Robert, or at least genuinely tried, for a while in the beginning.

You might be right. I don't remember the exacts words she used.

Yup, she said she was in love with Robert in the beginning and wanted to marry him. It was their wedding night when he called her Lyanna that she realized he didn't love her back.

In a world where arranged marriages are prevalent by far, that's one hell of a reason to kill all Robert's children in her womb, then kill him and all his bastards.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 26, 2015, 01:13:50 PM: Cersei is a petty bitch.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 26, 2015, 04:02:54 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 26, 2015, 01:13:50 PM
Cersei is a petty bitch.
Indeed she is. And to all show watchers, book Cersei is a good 10 times the bitch she is in the show!

One major concern regarding season 5: [AFFC/ADWD spoilers] Jaime is not going to kick it in Dorme, is he? I do hope he's not replacing Arys Oakheart in the Dorn storyline and taste Areo Otah's axe. At this point it's either him or Bronn, and the latter actually looks the least likely to survive the trip. But killing Jaime would be HUGE and to me (he's my favourite character) hugely sad and quite disappointing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2015, 04:49:20 PM: Quote from: wasteland on April 26, 2015, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 26, 2015, 01:13:50 PM
Cersei is a petty bitch.
Indeed she is. And to all show watchers, book Cersei is a good 10 times the bitch she is in the show!

Agreed. When I read book 4 I couldn't believe how nasty she got.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2015, 08:08:42 PM: WHAT

THE

FUCK
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 26, 2015, 10:21:06 PM: At the lack of fetching of the block?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2015, 10:29:58 PM: Bye bye Janos. Never liked that prick anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 27, 2015, 02:05:00 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
WHAT

THE

FUCK

That's my reaction to the old High Septon brothel scene. It was downright ridiculous, not in a good way. Other than that, I quite liked the episode.

I absolutely liked Jonathan Pryce as High Sparrow. He nailed his introduction scene I think, very good and convincing. The second highlight episode for me was Arya not throwing Needle away scene.

Slynt execution was handled better in the book, I think, but this one is acceptable too. I like Kit's acting throughout this season so far.

I'm kind of baffled about the timeline right now. LF and Sansa got from Moat Cailin to Winterfell in one episode, and Cersei's letter gets from King's Landing to Winterfell almost instantly (and apparently it was delivered to Eyrie first, then to Winterfell). Reminds me of LF teleportation skills from Season 2. Oh, and if I remember correctly, the whole point of Moat Cailin in the books was that you can't just go around it by land, so that's my another nitpick.

Now, a bit of spoilers:

Quote from: wasteland on April 26, 2015, 04:02:54 PM
One major concern regarding season 5: [AFFC/ADWD spoilers] Jaime is not going to kick it in Dorme, is he? I do hope he's not replacing Arys Oakheart in the Dorn storyline and taste Areo Otah's axe. At this point it's either him or Bronn, and the latter actually looks the least likely to survive the trip. But killing Jaime would be HUGE and to me (he's my favourite character) hugely sad and quite disappointing.

I think it'll be Bronn who bites it. His speech to Lollys in episode 2 about how the meanness always comes around, and the mean people always get what's coming to them one way or another seems like a foreshadowing of his fate, I guess.

Also, does anyone think that (end of ADWD spoilers) it'll be Olly (or whatever this kid's name on the Wall is) who stabs Jon, since Bowen Marsh apparently isn't here in the show? I mean, the kid hates wildlings, and at least in the book Jon does care about wildlings quite a lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 27, 2015, 04:19:04 AM: Remember that in GoT you get jumps in timing. A number of years have passed since the events of Season 1. It's not like Breaking Bad where the whole show across it's 5 seasons only covers a year or so. GoT is spread over a long period.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 27, 2015, 04:25:01 AM: Quote from: ariich on April 27, 2015, 04:19:04 AM
Remember that in GoT you get jumps in timing. A number of years have passed since the events of Season 1. It's not like Breaking Bad where the whole show across it's 5 seasons only covers a year or so. GoT is spread over a long period.

I'm just curious. There has to be some kind of timeline out there. Maybe it isn't as detailed and dated as Tolkien's world, but I'm sure there must be something out there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 27, 2015, 04:37:46 AM: I'm sure there are plenty of unofficial ones, no idea about anything official though.

Timelines are also reasonably different between the books and TV show. Obviously there are changes in the order of events (and indeed in some of the events themselves) but I think the books extend over an even longer period than the show does.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 27, 2015, 04:43:42 AM: Most definitely there are some unofficial ones that some super fan put together. I would be curious to see the difference between the book and show timelines.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 05:49:13 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 27, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
WHAT

THE

FUCK

That's my reaction to the old High Septon brothel scene. It was downright ridiculous, not in a good way. Other than that, I quite liked the episode.

I absolutely liked Jonathan Pryce as High Sparrow. He nailed his introduction scene I think, very good and convincing. The second highlight episode for me was Arya not throwing Needle away scene.

Slynt execution was handled better in the book, I think, but this one is acceptable too. I like Kit's acting throughout this season so far.

I'm kind of baffled about the timeline right now. LF and Sansa got from Moat Cailin to Winterfell in one episode, and Cersei's letter gets from King's Landing to Winterfell almost instantly (and apparently it was delivered to Eyrie first, then to Winterfell). Reminds me of LF teleportation skills from Season 2. Oh, and if I remember correctly, the whole point of Moat Cailin in the books was that you can't just go around it by land, so that's my another nitpick.

Now, a bit of spoilers:

Quote from: wasteland on April 26, 2015, 04:02:54 PM
One major concern regarding season 5: [AFFC/ADWD spoilers] Jaime is not going to kick it in Dorme, is he? I do hope he's not replacing Arys Oakheart in the Dorn storyline and taste Areo Otah's axe. At this point it's either him or Bronn, and the latter actually looks the least likely to survive the trip. But killing Jaime would be HUGE and to me (he's my favourite character) hugely sad and quite disappointing.

I think it'll be Bronn who bites it. His speech to Lollys in episode 2 about how the meanness always comes around, and the mean people always get what's coming to them one way or another seems like a foreshadowing of his fate, I guess.

Also, does anyone think that (end of ADWD spoilers) it'll be Olly (or whatever this kid's name on the Wall is) who stabs Jon, since Bowen Marsh apparently isn't here in the show? I mean, the kid hates wildlings, and at least in the book Jon does care about wildlings quite a lot.

Yup, Olly will stab Jon. Olly hates the wildlings for killing his parents and just look at Olly everytime Jon stands up for the wildlings, he has a look on his face that is just screaming that he doesn't like it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 06:05:05 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 22, 2015, 11:27:22 AM
Well there was a rather large body spotted in that room.

(https://i.imgur.com/fhaFMG8.jpg)

Now there's no assurance if that's The Mountain or not.

Well it appears that body has the shakes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 27, 2015, 06:30:11 AM: Quote from: ariich on April 27, 2015, 04:19:04 AM
Remember that in GoT you get jumps in timing. A number of years have passed since the events of Season 1. It's not like Breaking Bad where the whole show across it's 5 seasons only covers a year or so. GoT is spread over a long period.

Yeah, but for a raven to fly from King's Landing to Eyrie, than to Winterfell (and in fact Roose says "a rider arrived from the Eyrie") in one scene? It would take a week or even more. I think they should've moved that Qyburn - Cersei scene to the first or second episode, that would've made more sense. The way it was done, letter sent and arrived in the two back-to-back scenes, I just don't buy it at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on April 27, 2015, 06:34:17 AM: I may be the only one but I honestly can not tell the difference between Roose and Stannis unless I see other supporting characters. I'm sure side by side they don't really look alike but with how little we see each character the two actors look very similar.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 27, 2015, 06:36:20 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 27, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
Slynt execution was handled better in the book, I think, but this one is acceptable too. I like Kit's acting throughout this season so far.
I was disappointed that there was no "fetch me a block" but that line worked so well in the book because of Jon's internal monologue throughout that scene, so I think the show translated it as best it could.

I would've loved Roose's "a peaceful land, a quiet people" line and that one would've worked in the conversation he and Ramsay were having.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 27, 2015, 06:56:33 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on April 27, 2015, 06:34:17 AM
I may be the only one but I honestly can not tell the difference between Roose and Stannis unless I see other supporting characters. I'm sure side by side they don't really look alike but with how little we see each character the two actors look very similar.
They're not very similar at all. :lol You're like my dad - when watching The Prestige he couldn't tell the difference between Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale. And then got more confused when one had a twin and the other had clones.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 27, 2015, 07:07:24 AM: Besides having a similar type of haircut in the show, I don't think they look alike at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2015, 07:28:19 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on April 27, 2015, 06:34:17 AM
I may be the only one
You are
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 27, 2015, 07:32:52 AM: I think Stannis has a much slimmer face while Bolton's head looks like a melon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 09:31:01 AM: I dont think they look similar as well, but Roose is not seen very often so that problem could be the reason.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on April 27, 2015, 09:39:07 AM: With regard to timelines, I was under the impression that Sansa and the Boltons are all still at Moat Cailin. The sets didn't look very much like Winterfell if that's where we're supposed to be.

And I guess now we're using Sansa instead of fake-arya as the impetus for...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 27, 2015, 09:40:09 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 27, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
WHAT

THE

FUCK

That's my reaction to the old High Septon brothel scene. It was downright ridiculous, not in a good way. Other than that, I quite liked the episode.

I thought that scene was funny, and seems like something someone like that totally do.

I also have no problem with the message reaching Winterfell that 'quickly'. Like ariich said, the show jumps forward in time sometimes because it has to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 10:13:19 AM: I think you just need to look past the timing situations. The show needs to move on so they can't have everyone waiting for ravens to arrive. You just have to assume the necessary time elapsed. But this is nothing new with the show, its been like that since season 1 and there doesn't seem to be other options on how to do it, other than just pretend it took time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on April 27, 2015, 10:29:18 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 09:31:01 AM
I dont think they look similar as well, but Roose is not seen very often so that problem could be the reason.

I think that is my issue.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 27, 2015, 10:52:40 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 10:13:19 AM
I think you just need to look past the timing situations. The show needs to move on so they can't have everyone waiting for ravens to arrive. You just have to assume the necessary time elapsed. But this is nothing new with the show, its been like that since season 1 and there doesn't seem to be other options on how to do it, other than just pretend it took time.

Yeah, I guess so. That's just me being nitpicky.

Quote from: Genowyn on April 27, 2015, 09:39:07 AM
With regard to timelines, I was under the impression that Sansa and the Boltons are all still at Moat Cailin. The sets didn't look very much like Winterfell if that's where we're supposed to be.

I'm quite sure they're in Winterfell.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 10:55:29 AM: Oh yes, definitely winterfell and it might not have looked the same because it got burnt down and they were clearly doing some rebuilding as well as displaying some flayed bodies.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2015, 11:47:58 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Oh yes, definitely winterfell and it might not have looked the same because it got burnt down and they were clearly doing some rebuilding as well as displaying some flayed bodies.

Yeah....it didn't look like Winterfell to me at all. I had thought Winterfell was set amidst Forestry....not out in the middle of what looked like swampland?? Even the first episode had the crew riding on rolling hills and what not to go behead the Night's Watch deserter. That scenery of Brianne looking down on them as they rode to the city.....the landscape was harsh and swamp like??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 12:01:32 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2015, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Oh yes, definitely winterfell and it might not have looked the same because it got burnt down and they were clearly doing some rebuilding as well as displaying some flayed bodies.

Yeah....it didn't look like Winterfell to me at all. I had thought Winterfell was set amidst Forestry....not out in the middle of what looked like swampland?? Even the first episode had the crew riding on rolling hills and what not to go behead the Night's Watch deserter. That scenery of Brianne looking down on them as they rode to the city.....the landscape was harsh and swamp like??

Well that castle in the middle of the swamp lands was Moat Cailin which was shown during the opening credits and goes along with the complaint of time and travel in the show. LF and Sansa show up at Moat Cailin for what appears in the show like a moment and then they are quickly in Winterfell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 27, 2015, 12:04:18 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2015, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Oh yes, definitely winterfell and it might not have looked the same because it got burnt down and they were clearly doing some rebuilding as well as displaying some flayed bodies.

Yeah....it didn't look like Winterfell to me at all. I had thought Winterfell was set amidst Forestry....not out in the middle of what looked like swampland?? Even the first episode had the crew riding on rolling hills and what not to go behead the Night's Watch deserter. That scenery of Brianne looking down on them as they rode to the city.....the landscape was harsh and swamp like??
That wasn't Winterfell, that was Most Cailin, a fortress that is like the "gateway to the North" so was probably used to signify Sansa and Littlefinger were entering the North. The city they entered later in the episode (where the Boltons are) is Winterfell, which is in the North.

Winterfell isn't really in forest, it is shown out on a field with hills in the background I believe. Most Cailin is surrounded by marshes and swamp, which is why it is such a good obstacle to entering the North.

And yeah, I agree it can be confusing where people are because long journeys are completed in such short screentime. This has always happened in the show (people often point out Littlefinger's travels in season 2, but actually they are no worse than characters like Catelyn in season 1, and I think are picked up on more because book readers didn't already know where he was going and so were surprised), but I think it is getting more frequent as things are happening at a brisk place, and there is no time to omit a character for 2 episodes every time they have to travel or send a message from one distant castle to another.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2015, 12:14:30 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 27, 2015, 12:04:18 PM
That wasn't Winterfell, that was Most Cailin, a fortress that is like the "gateway to the North" so was probably used to signify Sansa and Littlefinger were entering the North. The city they entered later in the episode (where the Boltons are) is Winterfell, which is in the North.

Winterfell isn't really in forest, it is shown out on a field with hills in the background I believe. Most Cailin is surrounded by marshes and swamp, which is why it is such a good obstacle to entering the North.

Ahh....cool. Thanks for the info. and clarification!!! :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 27, 2015, 01:50:47 PM: I never confused the locations, but then again I am a hardcore Game of Thrones nerd.

The shot of Sansa in the background looking out over Moat Cailin contemplating what to is breathtaking. Gorgeous shot. The old woman saying 'the north remembers' also gave me chills.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 02:29:47 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 27, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
The old woman saying 'the north remembers' also gave me chills.

Yes! That may have been my favorite part of the episode.
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Post by: ariich on April 27, 2015, 02:35:54 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on April 27, 2015, 09:39:07 AM
And I guess now we're using Sansa instead of fake-arya as the impetus for...
Yeah, seems like the biggest change from the books so far this season, but I can understand why they did it. I'm fine with it as I was never that convinced with the whole fake-Arya thing, though I was quite looking forward to seeing what they would do with it.

Great episode in general, really liked the High Sparrow in particular.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 27, 2015, 02:36:56 PM: Did anyone notice the look Sansa gave Roose Bolton upon meeting it. So cold it would have frozen a White Walker solid.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 27, 2015, 02:39:14 PM: Quote from: wasteland on April 27, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
Did anyone notice the look Sansa gave Roose Bolton upon meeting it. So cold it would have frozen a White Walker solid.
Yeah that was great. Sansa has become kinda badass.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 02:42:51 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 27, 2015, 02:39:14 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 27, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
Did anyone notice the look Sansa gave Roose Bolton upon meeting it. So cold it would have frozen a White Walker solid.
Yeah that was great. Sansa has become kinda badass.

Yup, she gave him the look of death and rightfully so.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on April 27, 2015, 02:50:42 PM: The Stannis nods was the best thing in the episode! It was literally THE subtlest of nods and the most Stannis thing ever!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2015, 03:03:49 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 27, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
The Stannis nods was the best thing in the episode! It was literally THE subtlest of nods and the most Stannis thing ever!

Yeah....in fact, had Stannis been standing next to Jon I think he'd have tried to tongue kiss him.....that's how turned on he was by Jon's badassness......
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Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 03:08:29 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 27, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
The Stannis nods was the best thing in the episode! It was literally THE subtlest of nods and the most Stannis thing ever!

(https://i.imgur.com/nNhbOKv.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 27, 2015, 03:21:05 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 03:08:29 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on April 27, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
The Stannis nods was the best thing in the episode! It was literally THE subtlest of nods and the most Stannis thing ever!

(https://i.imgur.com/nNhbOKv.gif)
Yeah, that was fantastic.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 27, 2015, 06:53:46 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 27, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
I never confused the locations, but then again I am a hardcore Game of Thrones nerd.
The old woman saying 'the north remembers' also gave me chills.

Me too. i love that moment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 28, 2015, 01:22:24 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on April 27, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
The Stannis nods was the best thing in the episode! It was literally THE subtlest of nods and the most Stannis thing ever!
Haha yea I thought that was brilliant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tanatra on April 28, 2015, 08:57:35 AM: I think Sansa taking the place of Jeyne Pool (aka 'fake Arya') was a great story change on the producer's part. Some of the changes didn't work well (i.e., Yara's rescue attempt of Theon) but in general many of the changes the producers make actually improve on the books I think.

The big issue I had was with the High Sparrow. There are a lot of parallels between him and the current Pope, yet he seems to have no problem with the methods of his fanatic followers. So maybe his humility and sense of compassion rather than condemnation was just an act, but it seemed inconsistent to me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 09:45:03 AM: I totally agree about the Sansa change, at least for now since we don't know how that eventually plays out.

Im not sure what to think of the High Sparrow, too early to tell. I thought the actor was good though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 09:57:57 AM: Question. After Sansa is introduced to Ramsayl, the screen cuts to a group of girls, one noticeably distrubed by Sansa's arrival. Who are they? The only women in that area that have any role in the story are the one's that Theon works with at the end of book 5.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 28, 2015, 10:02:35 AM: Quote from: Tanatra on April 28, 2015, 08:57:35 AM
The big issue I had was with the High Sparrow. There are a lot of parallels between him and the current Pope, yet he seems to have no problem with the methods of his fanatic followers. So maybe his humility and sense of compassion rather than condemnation was just an act, but it seemed inconsistent to me.

"Lancing a boil is never pleasant. Although they could have been more careful with the blade." I think both those sides you described are reflected in this line. He seems to be a very kind person, but is still a 'religious fanatic', which means he doesn't condemn extreme measures. I didn't think it was inconsistant, as we've only seen him in one episode.

Quote from: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 09:57:57 AM
Question. After Sansa is introduced to Ramsayl, the screen cuts to a group of girls, one noticeably distrubed by Sansa's arrival. Who are they?

The one giving Sansa the stink-eye was a girl called Myranda. I have no idea if she's in the books, but she was one of the girls present when Theon had his dick removed, she was also the one who hunted that other girl through the woods with Ramsay last season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 10:11:31 AM: Myranda is made up for the show and yes, she was the one who gave the dirty look. She has some sick type of relationship with Ramsay.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 10:18:54 AM: I see. I don't know why I didn't remember seeing her before.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 28, 2015, 10:56:39 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 09:57:57 AM
Question. After Sansa is introduced to Ramsayl, the screen cuts to a group of girls, one noticeably distrubed by Sansa's arrival. Who are they? The only women in that area that have any role in the story are the one's that Theon works with at the end of book 5.
The one looking annoyed at Sansa was Myranda, who seems to be Ramsay's "girlfriend" of sorts from season 3 and 4 (was there during Theon's "alteration", and when Ramsay was hunting a woman in the forest). The look is probably to show that she is jealous of Sansa for marrying Ramsay, and I'm guessing she's going to either threaten Sansa or just annoy Ramsay enough to end up on the recieving end of one of Ramsay's games. I don't think she has a book equivalent.

Edit: Nevermind, somehow didn't realise that had already been answered :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 11:07:24 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 28, 2015, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 09:57:57 AM
Question. After Sansa is introduced to Ramsayl, the screen cuts to a group of girls, one noticeably distrubed by Sansa's arrival. Who are they? The only women in that area that have any role in the story are the one's that Theon works with at the end of book 5.
The one looking annoyed at Sansa was Myranda, who seems to be Ramsay's "girlfriend" of sorts from season 3 and 4 (was there during Theon's "alteration", and when Ramsay was hunting a woman in the forest). The look is probably to show that she is jealous of Sansa for marrying Ramsay, and I'm guessing she's going to either threaten Sansa or just annoy Ramsay enough to end up on the recieving end of one of Ramsay's games. I don't think she has a book equivalent.

Edit: Nevermind, somehow didn't realise that had already been answered :lol

Is she one of the girls that plays with Theon?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 28, 2015, 11:14:35 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Is she one of the girls that plays with Theon?
Yeah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 11:30:17 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 28, 2015, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 11:07:24 AM
Is she one of the girls that plays with Theon?
Yeah.

I remember her now. I just didn't remember her face. That was a while ago.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 28, 2015, 12:00:16 PM: How about Arya using the ´C´ word ? I thought that was a bit of Yeah, go girl :metal moment for me....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 02:00:47 PM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on April 28, 2015, 12:00:16 PM
How about Arya using the ´C´ word ? I thought that was a bit of Yeah, go girl :metal moment for me....

Forgot about that! Yea that was great :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 28, 2015, 02:03:26 PM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on April 28, 2015, 12:00:16 PM
How about Arya using the ´C´ word ? I thought that was a bit of Yeah, go girl :metal moment for me....

Do you have a lot of "go girl" moments?

;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on April 28, 2015, 02:04:07 PM: What did you think of the beheading scene? I'm interested to know what you show-only people made of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2015, 02:08:06 PM: Quote from: wasteland on April 28, 2015, 02:04:07 PM
What did you think of the beheading scene? I'm interested to know what you show-only people made of it.

I thought it was great!! From the moment Jon gave that dude one last chance in the mess hall....up to the point where that guy was begging for his life confessing he was afraid and a coward....i thought the whole sequence was done well. I liked how they showed a bit of internal struggle with Jon as you could see that he really didn't 'want' to do that....especially after the guy just emasculates himself as he begged for his life....but Jon's sense of Honor and Duty compelled him to 'do the right thing' in that situation.

How was the book sequence different? I've read here where a couple of you book readers say there was more of a narrative in Jon's mind going on?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 02:40:12 PM: I often wonder if the non book readers understand who Janos Slynt was. I just watched a few episodes from season 2 with him and since he was a minor character (who actually played a very big part in Neds death in season 1) and then went on hiatus until he got to the wall, I could see him being forgotten about from the unsullied.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2015, 02:45:01 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 02:40:12 PM
I often wonder if the non book readers understand who Janos Slynt was. I just watched a few episodes from season 2 with him and since he was a minor character (who actually played a very big part in Neds death in season 1) and then went on hiatus until he got to the wall, I could see him being forgotten about from the unsullied.

Was that the dude who was beheaded by Jon? What'd he do to get Ned killed?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 02:50:08 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2015, 02:45:01 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 02:40:12 PM
I often wonder if the non book readers understand who Janos Slynt was. I just watched a few episodes from season 2 with him and since he was a minor character (who actually played a very big part in Neds death in season 1) and then went on hiatus until he got to the wall, I could see him being forgotten about from the unsullied.

Was that the dude who was beheaded by Jon? What'd he do to get Ned killed?

Yes, he was the commander of the city watch in King Landing in season 1 and 2. He gave the order for the city watch the turn their spears away from the Lannisters and towards the Starks when Ned said Joffrey had no right to the throne. In season 2, Tyrion as acting Hand of the King confronts Janos about this where Janos says it was his command to turn against Ned (although it is assumed that he was acting under Cersei's command) and then Tyrion banishes him to the Wall because he could not trust the man who betrayed the previous Hand of the King.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2015, 02:53:02 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2015, 02:45:01 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 02:40:12 PM
I often wonder if the non book readers understand who Janos Slynt was. I just watched a few episodes from season 2 with him and since he was a minor character (who actually played a very big part in Neds death in season 1) and then went on hiatus until he got to the wall, I could see him being forgotten about from the unsullied.

Was that the dude who was beheaded by Jon? What'd he do to get Ned killed?

Yes, he was the commander of the city watch in King Landing in season 1 and 2. He gave the order for the city watch the turn their spears away from the Lannisters and towards the Starks when Ned said Joffrey had no right to the throne. In season 2, Tyrion as acting Hand of the King confronts Janos about this where Janos says it was his command to turn against Ned (although it is assumed that he was acting under Cersei's command) and then Tyrion banishes him to the Wall because he could not trust the man who betrayed the previous Hand of the King.

Thanks!! :tup

This only proves that I don't know if I'm cut out for this show :lol I've watched every season and I cannot for the life of me keep all these characters straight....hardly remember their names....much less can I recall them from seasons past. Imagine how much more I could enjoy this show if I knew what the :censored I was watching?? I mean....Jon get's to behead a man who had a hand in his Father being Murdered.....how cool is that??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2015, 02:56:51 PM: Its funny, I am currently seeing a girl who never watched the show, but because I talked about how great it is, she started watching and I've been watching with her and I always tell her to pay super close attention and that all these characters play a role and its difficult to follow if you don't pay close attention. So I just finsihed season 1 with her last weekend and we are already half way through season 2 so the Janos Slynt part was fresh in my mind (as well as Robert and Cersei's sex life :lol) Then getting to watch the new episode was awesome cause all those scenes from the previous seasons were in the back of my mind. I can totally see how the casual viewer gets lost with al the characters and smaller storylines.
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Post by: ariich on April 28, 2015, 02:57:09 PM: That is one of the problems with the series, and even more so with the books. There are just too many characters and storylines going on to be able to follow.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 28, 2015, 04:34:39 PM: I just thought it was a great scene to show how much he has develloped personally in a short time. You could see the doubt in him untill the very last.
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Post by: Evermind on April 28, 2015, 10:37:49 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
How was the book sequence different? I've read here where a couple of you book readers say there was more of a narrative in Jon's mind going on?

Well, in the books Jon gives Janos a day to think about the command, and when the next morning Janos refuses, Jon orders to take him outside and hang him. Janos is all "you can't do that, I've got powerful friends in King's Landing", and then Jon realizes hanging is a wrong way to go, because Ned taught all the Stark children that if you pass the sentence, you should swing the sword. So Jon says "no, wait, we won't hang him", and Janos goes all smug until Jon orders to fetch him a block, and the beheading occurs.

Not a lot of difference of course. I thought the show version of this scene was fine too.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2015, 06:02:49 AM: The show was fine, no point in the drawn out part. Makes sense for the book because you read Jon's inner thoughts and therefore having time between the sentancing and beheading makes sense, but show wise, just do it! Same with the whole Lord Commander vote, drawn out process in the book that takes time, but makes no sesne to do that for a show that is trying to keep a steady pace.

That is one thing the show is doing very well. Books 4 and 5 slow down the pace big time, the show cannot afford to slow down the storyline and they aren't.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 29, 2015, 07:46:02 AM: Love how Cersei is decimating the Small Counsil. Wait for the next classic line 'Not small enough'. :hefdaddy
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Post by: Progmetty on April 29, 2015, 10:07:28 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on April 27, 2015, 06:34:17 AM
I may be the only one but I honestly can not tell the difference between Roose and Stannis unless I see other supporting characters. I'm sure side by side they don't really look alike but with how little we see each character the two actors look very similar.

I never thought that, but I did think Bolton looked so much like the current James Bond that I actually had to look it up to make sure they're not related heh
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Post by: orcus116 on May 03, 2015, 07:53:42 PM: Damn, yo.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 03, 2015, 09:26:20 PM: If I were Daeneryus (sorry spelling?) my response would be Drogon melting whatever/wherever the Sons of the Harpey worship or gather. Or, just burning stuff down in generally and making it known that if that continues she's torching the whole place.....she's being way too soft IMO

Good episode though....liked Stannis showing his daughter some love and Little Finger calling out the plays for Sansa.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2015, 05:29:00 AM: So who is it in the preview for next week that Daenerys and the others are standing over? Is it Ser Barristan?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 05:45:48 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 04, 2015, 05:29:00 AM
So who is it in the preview for next week that Daenerys and the others are standing over? Is it Ser Barristan?

Yup, looks like he may be dead :| I would rather Grey Worm die than Selmy.

One thing I liked a lot about this episode were the mentions of Rheagar and how he was portrayed. I think they may be slowly adding in elements of the popular fan theory of Jon Snow's parents.

The way the show showed the Faith Militant and the Sons of the Harpy both going through the city and taking over was really cool as well.

Cersei vs. Margery is really heating up with Tommen stuck in the middle. Loras being jailed should be interesting, I have a feeling this may not end well for him. Margery is calling her grandmother, I'd love to see the Queen of Thorns come back into play in King's Landing.

I think Stannis may have become a fan favorite in that last episode. Him showing some love for his unloved daughter and then Littlefinger's plan unfolded (at least the plan he is letting Sansa know, and I don't trust him that he is truthful) that Stannis could be the savior for Sansa, and of course Stannis' goal of defeating the Boltons means he is officially a good guy for now.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2015, 06:07:34 AM: I think it was definitely the best episode of the season so far. Could he be the actor that thought he had more time left on the show after reading the books or is that not shocking enough? Are you familiar with that story? There might be spoilers in the article!

https://winteriscoming.net/2015/04/15/liam-cunningham-hints-at-season-5-scene-more-shocking-than-red-wedding/
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 06:53:41 AM: That last scene pissed me off to no end, mostly because it wasn't very well done.

A bunch of armored, shielded men who's whole life revolves around combat being completely decimated by random unarmored dudes using knifes?! The scene didn't do a good job of showing them be overwhelmed, the very first shot of the fight is a Harpy cutting down an Unsullied, which seemed completely contradictory to everything the show has said about the Unsullied.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 06:57:39 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 04, 2015, 06:07:34 AM
I think it was definitely the best episode of the season so far. Could he be the actor that thought he had more time left on the show after reading the books or is that not shocking enough? Are you familiar with that story? There might be spoilers in the article!

https://winteriscoming.net/2015/04/15/liam-cunningham-hints-at-season-5-scene-more-shocking-than-red-wedding/

Well that story hints at something surprising at the end of the season so I doubt Selmy's death is it, could be Davos himself.

Quote from: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 06:53:41 AM
That last scene pissed me off to no end, mostly because it wasn't very well done.

A bunch of armored, shielded men who's whole life revolves around combat being completely decimated by random unarmored dudes using knifes?! The scene didn't do a good job of showing them be overwhelmed, the very first shot of the fight is a Harpy cutting down an Unsullied, which seemed completely contradictory to everything the show has said about the Unsullied.

Yea, but they were tricked to go down into that hallway where they were sabotaged. I thought it showed them outmanned very well and they still killed everyone.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 06:58:50 AM: Yeah they showed them being outmanned, but I didn't feel they showed them be overwhelmed. Every Unsullied that was with Grey Worm was killed in 1-on-1 combat and they didn't seem to put up much of a fight besides Grey Worm.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2015, 07:11:42 AM: I know what you are getting at. It seemed that Grey Worm was the only Unsullied who actually fought up to their reputation.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 07:14:01 AM: And that's what pissed me off about the scene. Everything we hear about them is that they're the best infantry you can buy, everyone speaks of them with respect or fear and then a bunch of random dudes just decimate them? WTF!
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Post by: Evermind on May 04, 2015, 07:19:04 AM: Yes yes yes. This last scene just pissed me off greatly.

Quote from: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 07:14:01 AM
And that's what pissed me off about the scene. Everything we hear about them is that they're the best infantry you can buy, everyone speaks of them with respect or fear and then a bunch of random dudes just decimate them? WTF!

All of this.

I felt this scene was there just to get rid of Barristan (I guess he's dead? I didn't watch the next preview). I hope if Barristan is dead, Grey Worm is dead too, because I kind of can't stand their romance with Missandei at all.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 04, 2015, 07:24:41 AM: I'm just glad we're finally rid of all those 'give us episode 5 already!' comments on FB. So you've caved and watched the first four, stop pestering people who posess an ounce of patience already.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 07:25:25 AM: If killing Barristan was just a plot device to let Jorah come back into Dany's inner circle it would be so cheap and lame for this show.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 04, 2015, 07:33:35 AM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 07:14:01 AM
And that's what pissed me off about the scene. Everything we hear about them is that they're the best infantry you can buy, everyone speaks of them with respect or fear and then a bunch of random dudes just decimate them? WTF!
They are the best infrantry. But they weren't killed in infantry combat (in formations on the battlefield). They were killed in a city alley. And all of the attackers still died (albeit with the help of Selmy).

Also, the other thing they are known for is their fierce loyalty. They can't be bought out like the other Free Companies who are mercenaries. Once you have them, you have them to the bitter end.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 04, 2015, 07:43:48 AM: Also, huge fucking spears.

No way they were gonna come out best when they're fighting in an alleyway with those things. You lose that battle. You lose that battle 9 times out of 10.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 07:46:28 AM: My problem is not with them losing the battle, they should've with spears in close space and being outmanned. My problem was with how easy it looked.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 04, 2015, 08:06:32 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on April 27, 2015, 06:34:17 AM
I may be the only one but I honestly can not tell the difference between Roose and Stannis unless I see other supporting characters. I'm sure side by side they don't really look alike but with how little we see each character the two actors look very similar.

I've been through the show a couple of times now so I am pretty good at differentiating between characters, but there was certainly a time where I had trouble telling people apart.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 08:20:28 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 04, 2015, 07:19:04 AM
I felt this scene was there just to get rid of Barristan (I guess he's dead? I didn't watch the next preview). I hope if Barristan is dead, Grey Worm is dead too, because I kind of can't stand their romance with Missandei at all.

Yea, the whole scene seemed set up to kill him off with the whole "singing in the streets" bit. I'd like Grey Worm to die as well, the love thing really just does not interest me.

But the scenes from next week showed Barristan seemingly dead on a table, did not show anyhting with Grey Worm, but his wound seemed less life threatening. I do think that Grey Worm is likely seriously injured and with Barristan dead, it leaves no reliable advisors for her besides the return of Jorah.

Quote from: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 07:25:25 AM
If killing Barristan was just a plot device to let Jorah come back into Dany's inner circle it would be so cheap and lame for this show.

And I hope that wasn't the case either, I guess we will have to see, but I think the death is more to show how alone she really is now.

The parallels between Dany and Cersei in this episode were interesting. Both becoming very isolated.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2015, 09:38:10 AM: I still enjoy the show greatly....and have enjoyed the season thus far.....but all in all up to this point.....and judging from the comments I'll be in the minority when I say this.....but I've been a bit underwhelmed with what I've seen to this point. As I said, I've liked it and enjoyed this season so far but I haven't seen anything yet that's just floored me or leveled me due to it's 'awesomeness'.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 09:45:23 AM: I can agree that nothing so far has been edge of your seat kind of stuff. It seems its mostly all been build up, but I think last night showed that the season's arcs are now in full force and the more edge of your seat stuff is coming up real soon.

I think last season had something big happen in almost every episode and this season just isn't keeping that pace, which is fine. There are more new characters and storylines to develop this season. Last night was definitely the best episode of the season though.

I also like how this season we already got Varys telling us his plan and now we got LF telling us his plan as well. From season 1 we've been guessing their motives and we are actually getting somewhere with them, not that I totally believe either of them.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 04, 2015, 09:46:32 AM: I thought this episode was great. And I absolutely love the scene between Stannis and Shireen.

And yeah, the strength of the Unsullied isn't a few of them patrolling the streets, it's in large organized battle formations.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2015, 10:02:11 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 04, 2015, 09:46:32 AM
I thought this episode was great. And I absolutely love the scene between Stannis and Shireen.

Again, I've liked the episodes thus far. They've woven a pretty cool tapestry of parallel stories between characters and events. I'm certain with the shows history that there is going to be plenty of 'bang' in this season....but to this point it's been primarily set up for that 'bang' and for as neat and interesting as the storytelling has been.....I'm just ready for some 'bang'....
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Post by: BlackInk on May 04, 2015, 12:00:26 PM: Oh, and I have a really bad feeling about the look Melisandre gives Selyse after saying that her father's blood runs through their daughter's veins. Then again, I've had that bad feeling since "when we set sail, your daughter must be with us" and whatever she showed her in the fire last season.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 12:09:03 PM: Well, as she always says "there's power in king's blood"...
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2015, 12:12:28 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 04, 2015, 12:00:26 PM
Oh, and I have a really bad feeling about the look Melisandre gives Selyse after saying that her father's blood runs through their daughter's veins. Then again, I've had that bad feeling since "when we set sail, your daughter must be with us" and whatever she showed her in the fire last season.

Quote from: Dimitrius on May 04, 2015, 12:09:03 PM
Well, as she always says "there's power in king's blood"...

Yeah...on top of the fact they throw that scene in there where he reveals his undying love for his daughter.....it would seem that it is set up for him to have to face using his daughters blood (life) to further or fulfill his 'destiny'.

Oh and....I loved how Jamie just kept making Brann do everything and comedically use only having one hand as the excuse :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 12:42:15 PM: In regards to Shireen, she definitely seems set up to die now.

However,

She could take the place of Val's baby in the book and set sail with Gilly and Sam
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: wasteland on May 04, 2015, 01:17:23 PM: I am mourning Ser Barristan, one of my all time favourite characters. Thankfully he's still alive in the books, even though he won't last long there either, I fear.

Also, I sincerely hope they won't have Shireen burned. That would really be too much for this young sentimental heart to bear :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 04, 2015, 03:01:03 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 04, 2015, 09:46:32 AM
I thought this episode was great. And I absolutely love the scene between Stannis and Shireen.

Again, I've liked the episodes thus far. They've woven a pretty cool tapestry of parallel stories between characters and events. I'm certain with the shows history that there is going to be plenty of 'bang' in this season....but to this point it's been primarily set up for that 'bang' and for as neat and interesting as the storytelling has been.....I'm just ready for some 'bang'....
The books at this point get a bit like that too - the characters' stories all go off in different directions and so the pace slows down quite a bit (it's much worse in the books in fact - so far they've kept things very tight in the show). Despite all the changes, if they MOSTLY stick fairly close to the books, then there should be some great stuff coming up!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Fiery Winds on May 04, 2015, 03:10:19 PM: This is more a preemptive request from someone who's catching up on the books, but can we at least put book to show comparisons in spoiler text? Especially as this season is going to veer from the books more than past seasons.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 03:15:15 PM: In terms of the books being slower than the show... everything that happened with Cersei and the Faith Militant in last night episode was about half of Feast for Crows lol The show didnt have the characters (the Kettlebacks) to show how Cersei was manipulating everyone to get what she wanted, but I think the show did a good job of getting the High Sparrow and his armed force into place without being slow about it. It actually almost seemed too fast, but then again I am looking upon it from reading the books, not sure how the non book readers take the whole Faith Militant storyline.

And does anyone else think there has been some foreshadowing of Stannis' death? Brienne brought up a couple episodes ago that she still wants to revenge Renly and then last night Stannis comes off as a guy to cheer for and we know he plans to attack Winterfell where Brienne is also heading and then it would totally ruin LF's plan. Seems like the type of twist that would totally be fitting for this show, the man who is seemingly favored to win the battle and has become a likeable character dies.

Then given the pink note of the book, maybe he died in the Battle of Winterfell in the books as well, but it seems like we are going to get that battle this season!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Fiery Winds on May 04, 2015, 03:21:59 PM: Quote from: Fiery Winds on May 04, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
This is more a preemptive request from someone who's catching up on the books, but can we at least put book to show comparisons in spoiler text? Especially as this season is going to veer from the books more than past seasons.

Or we can not. :-\
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2015, 08:00:30 PM: I was thinking that the 'lore' in the GOT world is pretty fascinating. All the stories of old that are told....young little finger.....the old war.....Mad King.....Targaryn Kings.....etc etc.....I'm sure there are countless more.....I'm curios as to if HBO has given thought to producing a show based on those 'old' stories after this story has been told? A prequel so to speak? Wold that interest anyone else? I'd like to see it....

Especially if what appears to be coming to fruition and that being Jon Snow is Daenareus's Nephew. That storyline would be neat.
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Post by: ariich on May 05, 2015, 02:16:39 AM: Quote from: Fiery Winds on May 04, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
This is more a preemptive request from someone who's catching up on the books, but can we at least put book to show comparisons in spoiler text? Especially as this season is going to veer from the books more than past seasons.
That's been discussed and basically agreed already. There was nothing specific whatsoever in my post (if that's what prompted your comment).
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2015, 05:12:22 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Then given the pink note of the book, maybe he died in the Battle of Winterfell in the books as well, but it seems like we are going to get that battle this season!

I don't know if I trust that note from Ramsay. I think it's a trap.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2015, 08:00:30 PM
Especially if what appears to be coming to fruition and that being Jon Snow is Daenareus's Nephew. That storyline would be neat.

If?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2015, 05:16:55 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 05, 2015, 05:12:22 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Then given the pink note of the book, maybe he died in the Battle of Winterfell in the books as well, but it seems like we are going to get that battle this season!

I don't know if I trust that note from Ramsay. I think it's a trap.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2015, 08:00:30 PM
Especially if what appears to be coming to fruition and that being Jon Snow is Daenareus's Nephew. That storyline would be neat.

If?

The show did hint very heavily of that last episode, first time its ever been put out there so obviously
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2015, 05:21:18 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 05, 2015, 05:16:55 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 05, 2015, 05:12:22 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Then given the pink note of the book, maybe he died in the Battle of Winterfell in the books as well, but it seems like we are going to get that battle this season!

I don't know if I trust that note from Ramsay. I think it's a trap.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2015, 08:00:30 PM
Especially if what appears to be coming to fruition and that being Jon Snow is Daenareus's Nephew. That storyline would be neat.

If?

The show did hint very heavily of that last episode, first time its ever been put out there so obviously

I think that would make Jon the biggest contender for being Azor Ahai. Like I said earlier, he could be the "song" in A Song of Ice and Fire. Daenerys has no connection to ice.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2015, 06:32:10 AM: Should also note that Cersei is sending Mace Tyrell to Braavos, escorted by Ser Meryn Trant.... well he is on Arya's list and she is in Braavos, sounds like she may be getting an opportunity to give someone the gift of death.
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Post by: Fiery Winds on May 05, 2015, 07:19:32 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 05, 2015, 02:16:39 AM
Quote from: Fiery Winds on May 04, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
This is more a preemptive request from someone who's catching up on the books, but can we at least put book to show comparisons in spoiler text? Especially as this season is going to veer from the books more than past seasons.
That's been discussed and basically agreed already. There was nothing specific whatsoever in my post (if that's what prompted your comment).

Nothing in your post, it was the mention earlier of a book character still being alive, which isn't really that big a deal, but wanted to re-iterate the concern. Then the comment stating what a certain character would be up to for half the book. Perhaps I'm nitpicking, as sometimes I feel I'm more sensitive to spoilers than others.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2015, 07:38:11 AM: Quote from: Fiery Winds on May 05, 2015, 07:19:32 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 05, 2015, 02:16:39 AM
Quote from: Fiery Winds on May 04, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
This is more a preemptive request from someone who's catching up on the books, but can we at least put book to show comparisons in spoiler text? Especially as this season is going to veer from the books more than past seasons.
That's been discussed and basically agreed already. There was nothing specific whatsoever in my post (if that's what prompted your comment).

Nothing in your post, it was the mention earlier of a book character still being alive, which isn't really that big a deal, but wanted to re-iterate the concern. Then the comment stating what a certain character would be up to for half the book. Perhaps I'm nitpicking, as sometimes I feel I'm more sensitive to spoilers than others.

Well there was nothing spoiler about anyhting I wrote, if we need to have comparisons about things that arent in the show also in small font thats fine, but I was only operating that spoilers be in small text which nothing I wrote about Cersei being spoilers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 05, 2015, 11:42:52 AM: Preview of next week looks really cool, but if I can stop myself, I hopefully won't watch any more of those. I've become rather "spoiler"-sensitive lately, and don't want to know what's coming at all or who's going to be in the episode or if there's going to be a fight or whatever. I have decided that I want to be told this story the best way possible, which is if I know nothing. At least with something as important to me as Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2015, 11:52:39 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 05, 2015, 11:42:52 AM
Preview of next week looks really cool, but if I can stop myself, I hopefully won't watch any more of those. I've become rather "spoiler"-sensitive lately, and don't want to know what's coming at all or who's going to be in the episode or if there's going to be a fight or whatever. I have decided that I want to be told this story the best way possible, which is if I know nothing. At least with something as important to me as Game of Thrones.

Well I wish they didn't show Barristen on a death bed in the preview. Kind of killed the speculation about him and seemed spoilerish to me.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 05, 2015, 12:39:56 PM: Indeed. In my character graph for this show (seriously nerdy stuff) I hadn't marked his box in this episode yet because I wasn't sure if he lived or not. Now I do, and he's got a red box.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 05, 2015, 01:30:53 PM: Maybe he was just taking a nap.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 05, 2015, 01:32:37 PM: Well, there we go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2015, 02:48:08 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 05, 2015, 01:30:53 PM
Maybe he was just taking a nap.

Well he would be pretty tired after just whooping ass like he did.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 05, 2015, 06:21:10 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 05, 2015, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 05, 2015, 11:42:52 AM
Preview of next week looks really cool, but if I can stop myself, I hopefully won't watch any more of those. I've become rather "spoiler"-sensitive lately, and don't want to know what's coming at all or who's going to be in the episode or if there's going to be a fight or whatever. I have decided that I want to be told this story the best way possible, which is if I know nothing. At least with something as important to me as Game of Thrones.

Well I wish they didn't show Barristen on a death bed in the preview. Kind of killed the speculation about him and seemed spoilerish to me.

Because getting stabbed a dozen times in the last episode didn't give it away? :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 06, 2015, 01:30:02 AM: Yea I avoid next week previews like the plague, the same on TWD. Those were so quick sometimes, I had to violently turn off.
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Post by: ariich on May 06, 2015, 02:21:07 AM: I don't think we even get "next time" spoilers in the UK. When the episode finishes it just goes straight into the credits.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2015, 06:21:18 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 06, 2015, 02:21:07 AM
I don't think we even get "next time" spoilers in the UK. When the episode finishes it just goes straight into the credits.
I think they are after the credits.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 06:37:25 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2015, 06:21:18 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 06, 2015, 02:21:07 AM
I don't think we even get "next time" spoilers in the UK. When the episode finishes it just goes straight into the credits.
I think they are after the credits.

Yup, at least here in the states they come after the credits.

I never had a problem in the past with watching scenes from next week, I always thought shows did a good job showing clips without spoiling things. Like sure we get an idea of whats to come without knowing whats coming. This weeks preview really was the first time I felt like it actually spoiled something, but maybe its all a trick? I doubt it, it seems certain Barristan is dead.

Quote from: orcus116 on May 05, 2015, 06:21:10 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 05, 2015, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 05, 2015, 11:42:52 AM
Preview of next week looks really cool, but if I can stop myself, I hopefully won't watch any more of those. I've become rather "spoiler"-sensitive lately, and don't want to know what's coming at all or who's going to be in the episode or if there's going to be a fight or whatever. I have decided that I want to be told this story the best way possible, which is if I know nothing. At least with something as important to me as Game of Thrones.

Well I wish they didn't show Barristen on a death bed in the preview. Kind of killed the speculation about him and seemed spoilerish to me.

Because getting stabbed a dozen times in the last episode didn't give it away? :lol

The only reason that excuse doesn't work is because of this specific show and from previous discussions in this thread, it seems if your head isn't cut off or if you aren't buried then you may not be dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 06, 2015, 09:00:03 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 05, 2015, 06:21:10 PM
Because getting stabbed a dozen times in the last episode didn't give it away? :lol

I wasn't sure if he died mainly because they specifically had Grey Worm "save" Barristan before getting his throat cut.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2015, 09:40:04 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 06, 2015, 09:00:03 AM
I wasn't sure if he died mainly because they specifically had Grey Worm "save" Barristan before getting his throat cut.

Yeah, that threw me off too.....made me think they'd both survive but be out of commission for a while.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 06, 2015, 11:41:58 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2015, 05:45:48 AM
One thing I liked a lot about this episode were the mentions of Rheagar and how he was portrayed. I think they may be slowly adding in elements of the popular fan theory of Jon Snow's parents.

I said the same thing to my wife after the episode ended, I only recently discovered that it was a popular fan theory cause I've been thinking it for a while, so the logic here- if the theory stands- is the following:
Ned Stark and Viserys Targaryen lied about Rhaegar Targaryen at different points in the show for different reasons:-
- Viserys felt like delivering the image to Daenerys that Rhaegar was as brutal as his father the mad king and so he himself is -and should be- the same way.
- Ned lied about Rhaegar so that Robert Baratheon wouldn't know Lyanna Stark fell in love with Rhaegar and willingly ran away with him, which would also explain Ned taking their love child Jon Snow and not letting anyone know the truth about him.
So in this last episode alone we got hints that keep pointing in that direction, Stannis telling his wife "that wasn't Ned's way", talking about sleeping with prostitutes. Then Barristen telling Daenerys that Rhaegar was a good fella who sang in the streets and not brutal murderer. Sansa reminding us of what Ned told the family about Rhaegar.
But my theory after finding out that it's a popular theory is that Martin and the show runners will not go with it at all, even if it was their initial plan, they won't follow through with it if they think a lot of fans are expecting it. I'm almost certain that theory won't be true just because of that.
I wish Lady Melisandre would try to convert me, I would be devoted to her soft cause :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 12:16:21 PM: A lot of fans seem to think the show may spoil Jon's parentage this season and last episode was the set up. I'm not so sure about that just yet, but if they are serious with ending in 7 seasons, then the end game needs to start becoming clearer soon. The problem with saying that the theory on Jon is incorrect is that the amount of hints in the book are significant. It would be hard to have something different and yet all the clues are still consistent. Not impossible, but it just seems like the story is too deep to have a different outcome in terms of Jon's parents. The show is a bit different as the clues were not really presented, but this weeks episode is the closest to showing proof of it.

I think the one moment from the epsidoe Progmetty missed in his points was LF and Sansa's conversation in the crypts about Lyanna and when Sansa says Rheagar kidnapped Lyanna, LF's reaction said more than words can say. Besides being a knowledgeable dude, he was also there so he has a good idea on what really went down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 06, 2015, 12:20:39 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 12:16:21 PM

I think the one moment from the epsidoe Progmetty missed in his points was LF and Sansa's conversation in the crypts about Lyanna and when Sansa says Rheagar kidnapped Lyanna, LF's reaction said more than words can say. Besides being a knowledgeable dude, he was also there so he has a good idea on what really went down.

You could almost see that he wanted to tell her she was wrong about that, but he kept it inside.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2015, 12:25:53 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 06, 2015, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 12:16:21 PM

I think the one moment from the epsidoe Progmetty missed in his points was LF and Sansa's conversation in the crypts about Lyanna and when Sansa says Rheagar kidnapped Lyanna, LF's reaction said more than words can say. Besides being a knowledgeable dude, he was also there so he has a good idea on what really went down.

You could almost see that he wanted to tell her she was wrong about that, but he kept it inside.

I think that is one of the greatest strengths of the show....if not the greatest. The manner in which that actors/actresses can still convey an idea/thought/story/emotion without speaking that ALSO adds to the storyline and moves it along. That along with brilliant editing is such a strength of the show....being that there are so many characters and story arcs, they have to be able to progress these stories in two/three minute clips and the great acting is such a strength and makes it possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 06, 2015, 12:29:03 PM: ^ 100% agreed.
Oh yeah that also opens another can of worms that I'm very curious about, what is the grand plan of Petyr Baelish? He always behaves as if there's one, I don't understand what he wants, I also don't understand how much he knows about things happening outside of his immediate storyline, does he know Cersei plotted to have his establishments attacked? Did Cersei find out he had a hand in Joffrey's death? Why else would she target him?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2015, 12:32:36 PM: Just saw this....looks pretty neat!

(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/GOT.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/GOT.jpg.html)

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/6/8559329/game-of-thrones-google-map
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 12:54:15 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 06, 2015, 12:29:03 PM
^ 100% agreed.
Oh yeah that also opens another can of worms that I'm very curious about, what is the grand plan of Petyr Baelish? He always behaves as if there's one, I don't understand what he wants, I also don't understand how much he knows about things happening outside of his immediate storyline, does he know Cersei plotted to have his establishments attacked? Did Cersei find out he had a hand in Joffrey's death? Why else would she target him?

Im not sure Cersei specifically targetted the brothel, more like a side effect of arming the faith since that would be against the religion. However, her calling him back to KL could mean she had her reasons.

As for LF's plan, I am not sure either, but he mentions "chaos" a lot. It seems he likes to shake things up, but I am not sure exactly his motive for chaos. One could only assume that he wants power and maybe even all of the power. He is certainly gaining a lot of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 06, 2015, 01:39:23 PM: Oh I see, I thought she was referring to Baelish when she told the High Sparrow about a great sinner, maybe cause they cut directly to the brothel after that scene, if I recall right. But come to think of it she was talking about Loras Tyrell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 01:48:47 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 06, 2015, 01:39:23 PM
Oh I see, I thought she was referring to Baelish when she told the High Sparrow about a great sinner, maybe cause they cut directly to the brothel after that scene, if I recall right. But come to think of it she was talking about Loras Tyrell.

Yea thats what I immediately thought, but the fact the show made it clear they were going wild with the brothel, there definitely could be more there. I had just assumed Cersei was directly going after Loras to get to Margery.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 06, 2015, 01:53:28 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 01:48:47 PM
I had just assumed Cersei was directly going after Loras to get to Margery.
She was.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2015, 01:55:49 PM: Quote from: ariich on May 06, 2015, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 01:48:47 PM
I had just assumed Cersei was directly going after Loras to get to Margery.
She was.

Seems like it's a big risk to empower that group with the sole objective to seek out the 'sinners' and punish them....I mean, she has had three kids out of an incestual relationship. I'd think that might come back to be a poor choice for her??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2015, 01:57:22 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2015, 01:55:49 PM
Quote from: ariich on May 06, 2015, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 01:48:47 PM
I had just assumed Cersei was directly going after Loras to get to Margery.
She was.

Seems like it's a big risk to empower that group with the sole objective to seek out the 'sinners' and punish them....I mean, she has had three kids out of an incestual relationship. I'd think that might come back to be a poor choice for her??
Yeah, could be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 06, 2015, 01:58:01 PM: Perhaps. I think she sees the High Sparrow as good natured and fairly harmless, so it probably doesn't seem like that much of a risk to her and her manipulations.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 06, 2015, 02:00:29 PM: It seems Cersei's decision is definitely not the best one. Not only she has two kids born from incest (well, three, but Joff is dead), but she has also slept with Lancel who is an active participant of this very same religious group.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2015, 02:05:16 PM: Quote from: ariich on May 06, 2015, 01:58:01 PM
Perhaps. I think she sees the High Sparrow as good natured and fairly harmless, so it probably doesn't seem like that much of a risk to her and her manipulations.

I'd think she's misread him then. In his meekness and 'fairness' I think she sees him as harmless. But, he also seems to be very principled and not afraid to dole out punishment to those who 'deserve' it in the eyes of his belief. I'd say he's one of the more dangerous people on the show right now....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 02:40:33 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2015, 01:55:49 PM
Quote from: ariich on May 06, 2015, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2015, 01:48:47 PM
I had just assumed Cersei was directly going after Loras to get to Margery.
She was.

Seems like it's a big risk to empower that group with the sole objective to seek out the 'sinners' and punish them....I mean, she has had three kids out of an incestual relationship. I'd think that might come back to be a poor choice for her??
Yeah, could be.

Well the show clearly showed Lancel confronting Cersei in episode 1 about thier relationship from season 2 and then this episode showed him becoming a faith militant. And then the first scene of this season with the fortune telling giving Cersei her profecy about her children shows how she is acting desperate to protect them. I would not be surprised to see all her children dead before the shows over or even before the season is over.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 06, 2015, 03:38:48 PM: Poor Tommen though, I kinda bad for the kid. Although when he went to see the High Sparrow and the followers won't let him; I -surprisingly- found myself thinking "Joff would have reacted differently", he would have had his guards tear that whole organization to pieces, I dunno how you could bang a woman like Margery and still lack confidence, ffs man, ffs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 07, 2015, 06:39:43 AM: Some theory I saw was Cersei's doing this to help with the debt from the clergy I think
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 07, 2015, 06:52:33 AM: Quote from: masterthes on May 07, 2015, 06:39:43 AM
Some theory I saw was Cersei's doing this to help with the debt from the clergy I think
Not really a theory, if memory serves that was expressly done in the novel. I guess it wasn't made very clear on the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 07, 2015, 07:43:23 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 06, 2015, 03:38:48 PM
Poor Tommen though, I kinda bad for the kid. Although when he went to see the High Sparrow and the followers won't let him; I -surprisingly- found myself thinking "Joff would have reacted differently", he would have had his guards tear that whole organization to pieces, I dunno how you could bang a woman like Margery and still lack confidence, ffs man, ffs.

I dunno how you could get out of bed AT ALL....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: FracturedMirror on May 08, 2015, 01:37:51 PM: Game of Thrones, Sesame Street style:

https://youtu.be/dhWUFXvaZjo
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 09, 2015, 12:42:05 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 06, 2015, 03:38:48 PM
Poor Tommen though, I kinda bad for the kid. Although when he went to see the High Sparrow and the followers won't let him; I -surprisingly- found myself thinking "Joff would have reacted differently", he would have had his guards tear that whole organization to pieces, I dunno how you could bang a woman like Margery and still lack confidence, ffs man, ffs.

It's also becoming more apparent that he has no idea how to rule and is easily persuaded. I know he's a kid but he'll never make a decision on his own.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 09, 2015, 01:00:36 PM: I'm rewatching Season 4 today. I completely forgot in the first episode that they kill Axell Florent.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2015, 09:51:26 PM: Great to see Dany use those Dragons to her advantage and invoke some fear and re-gain some confidence.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tanatra on May 11, 2015, 03:39:32 AM: Best episode of S5 so far. It more than made up for Barristan's disappointing death last week, and set up the remainder of the season in the North and Mereen quite nicely. Sad as I am to admit it, it was a great call on the show's part to have what happened to Jon Connington in the books happen to a character that people are more attached to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2015, 07:33:27 AM: ^I agree.^ I am curious to see how the TV producers take the storylines going forward.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 07:38:20 AM: Well if they aren't going to have a Jon Connington in the show (and I think last night confirmed that) then yea, its a good decision to have Jorah be the one with Greyscale. I really liked the Ramsay family dinner scene. I did find it odd the Roose just let Ramsay act all psycho though. I'm glad we finally see Stannis march south although him taking Melisandre and Shireen seems odd.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 11, 2015, 08:24:25 AM: Concerning Stannis and Little Finger....Being that Stannis said 'that wasn't Ned Stark's Way' and he and Little Finger were around and saw what went down......do you think they both know that Jon Snow was the Love Child of Rheygar and Lyanna? Cold that explain the admiration that Stannis seems to have for Jon?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 08:28:42 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 11, 2015, 08:24:25 AM
Concerning Stannis and Little Finger....Being that Stannis said 'that wasn't Ned Stark's Way' and he and Little Finger were around and saw what went down......do you think they both know that Jon Snow was the Love Child of Rheygar and Lyanna? Cold that explain the admiration that Stannis seems to have for Jon?

I think that is definitely a possibility. I always thought Stannis admired Jon because he was a Stark in blood and Stannis had a lot of respect for Ned. The show is throwing tons of hints about Jon's real potential parentage this season so what you pointed out, could be the real reason why Stannis treats Jon the way he does.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 09:02:02 AM: I hope they do introduce the Griffs at some point. I would be highly pissed if they tossed away that story line, especially considering who Young Griff is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 09:23:00 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
I hope they do introduce the Griffs at some point. I would be highly pissed if they tossed away that story line, especially considering who Young Griff is.

I read a fan theory that since it's pretty clear Young Griff is cut (at least from his story that we read about in aDwD, it's possible he is in the show in a different scenario. Maybe Trystane Martell is actually Aegon? We know the show is taking a different approach to Dorne and with the casting of Trystane and no Quintin or Arrianne, is it possible that Doran's master plan included hiding Aegon as his own child this entire time? I personally believe Young Griff is just flat out cut though and that Aegon is a fake in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 11, 2015, 09:49:07 AM: Oh and.....how lucky is ol' boy who goes from about to get set on fire and fed to some Dragons to being told he's gonna marry Dany? Talk about ADTOE
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 10:21:29 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 09:23:00 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
I hope they do introduce the Griffs at some point. I would be highly pissed if they tossed away that story line, especially considering who Young Griff is.

I read a fan theory that since it's pretty clear Young Griff is cut (at least from his story that we read about in aDwD, it's possible he is in the show in a different scenario. Maybe Trystane Martell is actually Aegon? We know the show is taking a different approach to Dorne and with the casting of Trystane and no Quintin or Arrianne, is it possible that Doran's master plan included hiding Aegon as his own child this entire time? I personally believe Young Griff is just flat out cut though and that Aegon is a fake in the books.

I sincerely hope that they don't remove Dany's only other living relative (besides Jon Snow of course). That's fucking with a major story line in the book. It's not like killing Ser Barristan or sending Melisandre and the Princess with Stannis. We're talking about a major part of the plot. I'm all for making the show it's own entity but I think that's a bit extreme. Unless that's something the writers are holding off untll the final episode of the season. That would be a huge cliffhanger along with Jon Snow's "death". How else do you end Dany's and Tyrion's story this season? I think that would be a perfect way to close out the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 10:51:39 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 09:23:00 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
I hope they do introduce the Griffs at some point. I would be highly pissed if they tossed away that story line, especially considering who Young Griff is.

I read a fan theory that since it's pretty clear Young Griff is cut (at least from his story that we read about in aDwD, it's possible he is in the show in a different scenario. Maybe Trystane Martell is actually Aegon? We know the show is taking a different approach to Dorne and with the casting of Trystane and no Quintin or Arrianne, is it possible that Doran's master plan included hiding Aegon as his own child this entire time? I personally believe Young Griff is just flat out cut though and that Aegon is a fake in the books.

I sincerely hope that they don't remove Dany's only other living relative (besides Jon Snow of course). That's fucking with a major story line in the book. It's not like killing Ser Barristan or sending Melisandre and the Princess with Stannis. We're talking about a major part of the plot. I'm all for making the show it's own entity but I think that's a bit extreme. Unless that's something the writers are holding off untll the final episode of the season. That would be a huge cliffhanger along with Jon Snow's "death". How else do you end Dany's and Tyrion's story this season? I think that would be a perfect way to close out the season.

Dany flying off on Drogon should be the end of her story arc this season as it was in the books leaving Tyrion in control in Mereen (taking Selmys spot) Young Griff was a major storyline for the last book, but so was Quintin and that lead no where... it's very possible Young Griff is a fake and that storyline does not lead anywhere as well. We just don't know.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 10:57:52 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 09:23:00 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
I hope they do introduce the Griffs at some point. I would be highly pissed if they tossed away that story line, especially considering who Young Griff is.

I read a fan theory that since it's pretty clear Young Griff is cut (at least from his story that we read about in aDwD, it's possible he is in the show in a different scenario. Maybe Trystane Martell is actually Aegon? We know the show is taking a different approach to Dorne and with the casting of Trystane and no Quintin or Arrianne, is it possible that Doran's master plan included hiding Aegon as his own child this entire time? I personally believe Young Griff is just flat out cut though and that Aegon is a fake in the books.

I sincerely hope that they don't remove Dany's only other living relative (besides Jon Snow of course). That's fucking with a major story line in the book. It's not like killing Ser Barristan or sending Melisandre and the Princess with Stannis. We're talking about a major part of the plot. I'm all for making the show it's own entity but I think that's a bit extreme. Unless that's something the writers are holding off untll the final episode of the season. That would be a huge cliffhanger along with Jon Snow's "death". How else do you end Dany's and Tyrion's story this season? I think that would be a perfect way to close out the season.

Dany flying off on Drogon should be the end of her story arc this season as it was in the books leaving Tyrion in control in Mereen (taking Selmys spot) Young Griff was a major storyline for the last book, but so was Quintin and that lead no where... it's very possible Young Griff is a fake and that storyline does not lead anywhere as well. We just don't know.

I don't consider Young Griff (if he is who we know him to be) and Quintin to be equal as far as importance. You're right, it does remain to be seen about Young Griff but considering this was a plan of Vary's from the beginning, I do put a lot of faith in him being Dany's nephew.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 11, 2015, 12:46:38 PM: Brilliant episode. Packed with awesome scenes. Oh and PEOPLE ARE FINALLY TALKING ABOUT THE WHITE WALKERS, awesome stuff.

--- POSSIBLY SPOILERS I GUESS? ----

I thought Sam's future storyline would have started by the first or second episode, but I'm glad they had that scene between him and Stannis before. And at least it seems to be on the horizon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 01:33:16 PM: I fear that Stannis is becoming too awesome and he will be killed. Besides saving the Night's Watch last season, this season he has been the loving Dad, Jon's best friend, and been nice to Sam. He cares about the White Walkers and wants to defeat the bad guy Boltons. He seems destined to die now. :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 11, 2015, 01:38:18 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 01:33:16 PM
I fear that Stannis is becoming too awesome and he will be killed. Besides saving the Night's Watch last season, this season he has been the loving Dad, Jon's best friend, and been nice to Sam. He cares about the White Walkers and wants to defeat the bad guy Boltons. He seems destined to die now. :(

:lol I was thinking the same thing. Prior to this season I had little interest in his character and in fact found him quite annoying. Now, he seems pretty cool and I'm rooting for him....which....is usually the kiss of death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 01:51:20 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 11, 2015, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 01:33:16 PM
I fear that Stannis is becoming too awesome and he will be killed. Besides saving the Night's Watch last season, this season he has been the loving Dad, Jon's best friend, and been nice to Sam. He cares about the White Walkers and wants to defeat the bad guy Boltons. He seems destined to die now. :(

:lol I was thinking the same thing. Prior to this season I had little interest in his character and in fact found him quite annoying. Now, he seems pretty cool and I'm rooting for him....which....is usually the kiss of death.

Oh, and I forgot to add that LF stated he was the obvious choice to win the battle for WF since he has a bigger army. Just too much going for him and I agree, he seems to have gotten the kiss of death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 11, 2015, 04:46:56 PM: Excellent episode last night! Lots of great lines throughout (yay for "kill the boy"). Loved the way the show has handled Stannis this season, for the first time I think the writers "get" Stannis and aren't writing him overtly villain-y.

Have nothing bad to say about the episode, RIP to Barry the Bold.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tanatra on May 11, 2015, 07:17:47 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 10:57:52 AM
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I hope they do introduce the Griffs at some point. I would be highly pissed if they tossed away that story line, especially considering who Young Griff is.

I read a fan theory that since it's pretty clear Young Griff is cut (at least from his story that we read about in aDwD, it's possible he is in the show in a different scenario. Maybe Trystane Martell is actually Aegon? We know the show is taking a different approach to Dorne and with the casting of Trystane and no Quintin or Arrianne, is it possible that Doran's master plan included hiding Aegon as his own child this entire time? I personally believe Young Griff is just flat out cut though and that Aegon is a fake in the books.

I sincerely hope that they don't remove Dany's only other living relative (besides Jon Snow of course). That's fucking with a major story line in the book. It's not like killing Ser Barristan or sending Melisandre and the Princess with Stannis. We're talking about a major part of the plot. I'm all for making the show it's own entity but I think that's a bit extreme. Unless that's something the writers are holding off untll the final episode of the season. That would be a huge cliffhanger along with Jon Snow's "death". How else do you end Dany's and Tyrion's story this season? I think that would be a perfect way to close out the season.

Dany flying off on Drogon should be the end of her story arc this season as it was in the books leaving Tyrion in control in Mereen (taking Selmys spot) Young Griff was a major storyline for the last book, but so was Quintin and that lead no where... it's very possible Young Griff is a fake and that storyline does not lead anywhere as well. We just don't know.

I don't consider Young Griff (if he is who we know him to be) and Quintin to be equal as far as importance. You're right, it does remain to be seen about Young Griff but considering this was a plan of Vary's from the beginning, I do put a lot of faith in him being Dany's nephew.

There's no way the show is done with Varys yet, given the lack of closure in how he was left in Volantis. I could see him giving up on Danaerys and producing a Young Griff, though probably not until next season. I'm sure he'll also reappear like he did in the books to murder Kevan Lannister or someone similar, but the latter was motivated by the former.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 11, 2015, 09:15:01 PM: Now you see Tyrion.. now you believe.
That. Was. Class. A. Acting. I'm still blown away.
It was like an Atheist coming face to face with a God, not slamming Atheists.. just the closest comparison I could find to the look on Tyrion's face. Tyrion who never believed in any surviving supernaturals told of his universe, not white walkers, not giants, not mammoths and certainly not dragons; sees it and in a flash re-examines his knowledge and his idea of "possible".
Amazing episode all around, gotta give it another go around.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Fiery Winds on May 11, 2015, 09:20:09 PM: The entire episode I was hoping for another scene with Tyrion and that whole sequence delivered in every possible way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 12, 2015, 04:15:40 AM: Yeah, beautifully done with the poem, the visuals of Valyria, and then Drogon flying over. The stonemen were alright, but I don't really like the sounds they made. But that's just me being nit-picky.

I've never had a problem with Stannis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 12, 2015, 04:34:45 AM: Stannis' stock has really gone up lately, but I can't totally root for him, because of Renly
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 12, 2015, 05:26:17 AM: Quote from: Tanatra on May 11, 2015, 07:17:47 PM
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I hope they do introduce the Griffs at some point. I would be highly pissed if they tossed away that story line, especially considering who Young Griff is.

I read a fan theory that since it's pretty clear Young Griff is cut (at least from his story that we read about in aDwD, it's possible he is in the show in a different scenario. Maybe Trystane Martell is actually Aegon? We know the show is taking a different approach to Dorne and with the casting of Trystane and no Quintin or Arrianne, is it possible that Doran's master plan included hiding Aegon as his own child this entire time? I personally believe Young Griff is just flat out cut though and that Aegon is a fake in the books.

I sincerely hope that they don't remove Dany's only other living relative (besides Jon Snow of course). That's fucking with a major story line in the book. It's not like killing Ser Barristan or sending Melisandre and the Princess with Stannis. We're talking about a major part of the plot. I'm all for making the show it's own entity but I think that's a bit extreme. Unless that's something the writers are holding off untll the final episode of the season. That would be a huge cliffhanger along with Jon Snow's "death". How else do you end Dany's and Tyrion's story this season? I think that would be a perfect way to close out the season.

Dany flying off on Drogon should be the end of her story arc this season as it was in the books leaving Tyrion in control in Mereen (taking Selmys spot) Young Griff was a major storyline for the last book, but so was Quintin and that lead no where... it's very possible Young Griff is a fake and that storyline does not lead anywhere as well. We just don't know.

I don't consider Young Griff (if he is who we know him to be) and Quintin to be equal as far as importance. You're right, it does remain to be seen about Young Griff but considering this was a plan of Vary's from the beginning, I do put a lot of faith in him being Dany's nephew.

There's no way the show is done with Varys yet, given the lack of closure in how he was left in Volantis. I could see him giving up on Danaerys and producing a Young Griff, though probably not until next season. I'm sure he'll also reappear like he did in the books to murder Kevan Lannister or someone similar, but the latter was motivated by the former.

Pretty much. Varys probably continued with his plan to meet with Young Griff and they'll show up at some point. [/quote]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 12, 2015, 05:46:22 AM: Yea the poem scene with Tyrion and Jorah in the boat with the dragon and everything was really nice.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2015, 06:36:21 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 12, 2015, 05:26:17 AM
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Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 09:23:00 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
I hope they do introduce the Griffs at some point. I would be highly pissed if they tossed away that story line, especially considering who Young Griff is.

I read a fan theory that since it's pretty clear Young Griff is cut (at least from his story that we read about in aDwD, it's possible he is in the show in a different scenario. Maybe Trystane Martell is actually Aegon? We know the show is taking a different approach to Dorne and with the casting of Trystane and no Quintin or Arrianne, is it possible that Doran's master plan included hiding Aegon as his own child this entire time? I personally believe Young Griff is just flat out cut though and that Aegon is a fake in the books.

I sincerely hope that they don't remove Dany's only other living relative (besides Jon Snow of course). That's fucking with a major story line in the book. It's not like killing Ser Barristan or sending Melisandre and the Princess with Stannis. We're talking about a major part of the plot. I'm all for making the show it's own entity but I think that's a bit extreme. Unless that's something the writers are holding off untll the final episode of the season. That would be a huge cliffhanger along with Jon Snow's "death". How else do you end Dany's and Tyrion's story this season? I think that would be a perfect way to close out the season.

Dany flying off on Drogon should be the end of her story arc this season as it was in the books leaving Tyrion in control in Mereen (taking Selmys spot) Young Griff was a major storyline for the last book, but so was Quintin and that lead no where... it's very possible Young Griff is a fake and that storyline does not lead anywhere as well. We just don't know.

I don't consider Young Griff (if he is who we know him to be) and Quintin to be equal as far as importance. You're right, it does remain to be seen about Young Griff but considering this was a plan of Vary's from the beginning, I do put a lot of faith in him being Dany's nephew.

There's no way the show is done with Varys yet, given the lack of closure in how he was left in Volantis. I could see him giving up on Danaerys and producing a Young Griff, though probably not until next season. I'm sure he'll also reappear like he did in the books to murder Kevan Lannister or someone similar, but the latter was motivated by the former.

Pretty much. Varys probably continued with his plan to meet with Young Griff and they'll show up at some point.

I think we will see Varys again doing what he did at the end of aFFC and he will do it in the name of Dany not Aegon. I guess that will tell for sure, but considering Varys speech in episode 1 to Tyrion, it seems that's how the show is proceeding.
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Post by: ariich on May 12, 2015, 07:58:32 AM: Enough with the tiny quote pyramid. Fine to use tiny text for book spoilers, but the quote pyramid is unnecessary.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 13, 2015, 01:07:15 AM: I loved the shot of them entering Valerya. One of the epic scenes of the series so far, I think. I also can totally see a battle between Brianne and Ramsey Bolton coming up.
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Post by: Zydar on May 13, 2015, 01:10:20 AM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on May 13, 2015, 01:07:15 AM
I loved the shot of them entering Valerya. One of the epic scenes of the series so far, I think. I also can totally see a battle between Brianne and Ramsey Bolton coming up.

Yeah Valyria seems like a beautiful place, I hope we get plenty of scenes from there.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 13, 2015, 01:54:31 AM: I think it's likely this was the first and last time saw it. Asshai though, that's a place I hope we'll see before the show ends! A dark mythical weird city apparently larger than Volantis, Quarth, King's Landing, and Old Town combined. I'm not sure how it would be possible though, since it's a loong way off and there are not many hours of show left, which is a shame.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2015, 06:14:05 AM: I think its possible for Valyria to show up again given it is where the Targaryans are from and obviously Drogon seems to like it there. Who knows though, but speaking of cities we'd like to see... I would really like to see Oldtown. There were a few mentions of it last episode so maybe thats a hint that we will get to see it at some point.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:31 AM: Not sure why we would see Valyria again - AFAIK, the only reason we saw it on the last episode is to have a reason for that scene with the poetry and the dragon.

Valyria is a smoking ruin, no one lives there. Not much reason for anything to happen there.
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Post by: Zydar on May 13, 2015, 07:29:45 AM: I didn't know that. I haven't read the books or anything. Just thought it looked great in the episode.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 08:00:56 AM: Quote from: Zydar on May 13, 2015, 07:29:45 AM
I didn't know that. I haven't read the books or anything. Just thought it looked great in the episode.
Well, it DID look great in the episode. :biggrin:
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2015, 08:16:55 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:31 AM
Not sure why we would see Valyria again - AFAIK, the only reason we saw it on the last episode is to have a reason for that scene with the poetry and the dragon.

Valyria is a smoking ruin, no one lives there. Not much reason for anything to happen there.

There is some importance to it in the books which remains a mystery (not really a spoiler below, just points that the book makes and the show does not):

No one understands the Doom and the similarities between Dragons and the Whitewalkers. The book hints at Valyria and North of the Wall as being opposites ends of magic. Could tie in with The Lord of Light vs. the Old Gods. Or it could all be just ancient lore talked about but having no real meaning to the plotlines in the book or show.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 08:31:22 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 13, 2015, 08:16:55 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:31 AM
Not sure why we would see Valyria again - AFAIK, the only reason we saw it on the last episode is to have a reason for that scene with the poetry and the dragon.

Valyria is a smoking ruin, no one lives there. Not much reason for anything to happen there.

There is some importance to it in the books which remains a mystery (not really a spoiler below, just points that the book makes and the show does not):

No one understands the Doom and the similarities between Dragons and the Whitewalkers. The book hints at Valyria and North of the Wall as being opposites ends of magic. Could tie in with The Lord of Light vs. the Old Gods. Or it could all be just ancient lore talked about but having no real meaning to the plotlines in the book or show.
I think hints are all they are.

Or maybe not. We'll see.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 13, 2015, 01:27:14 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 08:28:42 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 11, 2015, 08:24:25 AM
Concerning Stannis and Little Finger....Being that Stannis said 'that wasn't Ned Stark's Way' and he and Little Finger were around and saw what went down......do you think they both know that Jon Snow was the Love Child of Rheygar and Lyanna? Cold that explain the admiration that Stannis seems to have for Jon?

I think that is definitely a possibility. I always thought Stannis admired Jon because he was a Stark in blood and Stannis had a lot of respect for Ned. The show is throwing tons of hints about Jon's real potential parentage this season so what you pointed out, could be the real reason why Stannis treats Jon the way he does.

I think LF knows but it's unlikely that Stannis does, Stannis treats Jon with respect because he think's he's Ned Stark's last surviving son and Stannis admired Ned Stark who was also the reason Stannis knows he's the rightful heir to the throne after his brother's death.
I think if Stannis knew about Jon; he would have warned his brother Robert about a Targaryen heir as soon as the rebellion ended and Robert took the throne. Robert was obsessed with killing every Targaryen in Westeros out of both anger for what happened with Lyanna and caution of legitimate heir starting a claim war. I know Stannis was not fond of his brother but he would have at least warned about that child since it jeopardized the newly founded Baratheon dynasty.

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Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2015, 01:33:16 PM
I fear that Stannis is becoming too awesome and he will be killed. Besides saving the Night's Watch last season, this season he has been the loving Dad, Jon's best friend, and been nice to Sam. He cares about the White Walkers and wants to defeat the bad guy Boltons. He seems destined to die now. :(

:lol I was thinking the same thing. Prior to this season I had little interest in his character and in fact found him quite annoying. Now, he seems pretty cool and I'm rooting for him....which....is usually the kiss of death.

Unless the Boltons have a real secret plan to defeat Stannis; I don't see how they could win. Forget Stannis having a bigger army, he has Melisandre's creepy magic and if they can't enter Winterfell he could just slip her the old Stannis saucisse and have her give birth to a shadow assassin to kill Bolton.
I dunno where Cersei stands on the looming Northern war ordeal, she seems to be only interested in petty rivals with her daughter in law.
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Post by: Fiery Winds on May 13, 2015, 01:47:41 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 13, 2015, 01:27:14 PM
Unless the Boltons have a real secret plan to defeat Stannis; I don't see how they could win. Forget Stannis having a bigger army, he has Melisandre's creepy magic and if they can't enter Winterfell he could just slip her the old Stannis saucisse and have her give birth to a shadow assassin to kill Bolton.

I agree, Stannis wins hands down, unless Melisandre requires a payment that he is unwilling to pay (sacrificing his daughter, perhaps?).
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Post by: Podaar on May 13, 2015, 01:48:24 PM: My favorite Stannis moment from this week was:

Night's Watchman: "Let them die. Less enemies for us!"
Stannis: "Fewer."
Davos: "What?"
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Post by: Zydar on May 13, 2015, 01:52:15 PM: Hehe yeah, the grammar nazis are everywhere ;D
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Post by: Evermind on May 13, 2015, 01:59:26 PM: He made the same grammar-nazi-objection in S2 with Davos I think (less fingernails to clean), but it was way funnier here. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2015, 02:12:11 PM: Quote from: Fiery Winds on May 13, 2015, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 13, 2015, 01:27:14 PM
Unless the Boltons have a real secret plan to defeat Stannis; I don't see how they could win. Forget Stannis having a bigger army, he has Melisandre's creepy magic and if they can't enter Winterfell he could just slip her the old Stannis saucisse and have her give birth to a shadow assassin to kill Bolton.

I agree, Stannis wins hands down, unless Melisandre requires a payment that he is unwilling to pay (sacrificing his daughter, perhaps?).

But this seems to obvious hence why I think he fails. How? I have no idea.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 13, 2015, 03:25:04 PM: Yeah, Stannis seems to be a goner this season - a heart to heart with his daughter, being respectful to Sam and acknowledging they need to learn how to defeat the White Walkers, Jon Snow thanking him for saving the Wall. At least he didn't say "We'll talk when I get back" before he left :lol:

That and the fact it's been established as Stannis having the bigger army and being "the favourite" against the Boltons makes it pretty unlikely that things will go according to plan. You don't have "good guys" going to confront "bad guys" (or as close to that as possible on Game Of Thrones) with the good guys having all the advantage just for them to succeed as expected. Stannis may not be dying as that is almost getting too obvious, but something's got to go wrong for them or else there won't be much tension.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 14, 2015, 01:46:57 AM: Ratings are disappointingly low... The first episode seemed to continue the annual growth in viewership, but the next three were really low compared to previous season differences. I thought it had to do with the leaks at first, and that it would be back on track with E05, but ratings for that episode is even lower. Almost as low as season 4 lowest. I hope it gets better..
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Post by: Podaar on May 14, 2015, 06:29:54 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 14, 2015, 01:46:57 AM
Ratings are disappointingly low... The first episode seemed to continue the annual growth in viewership, but the next three were really low compared to previous season differences. I thought it had to do with the leaks at first, and that it would be back on track with E05, but ratings for that episode is even lower. Almost as low as season 4 lowest. I hope it gets better..

I nearly stopped watching after episode 4, but not because there was any problem with acting, writing, production or the show in general (okay, maybe the directing has been a bit slow). No, I nearly stopped watching because I don't like the show spoiling the book experience for me. :biggrin:

There are some major (dare I say favorite) threads/characters in the book that are completely missing in this show. It is widely known that the show runners know the ending of the story so when your favorite plot line is missing it tells you that ultimately its not important.

For me, it was obvious that by episode 2, I wasn't going to enjoy this season as I had previous seasons so I resolved to stop watching. In the end, Mrs. P convinced me to watch the episode so that we could chat about it.

Maybe I'm not the only one who feels this way?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2015, 06:36:22 AM: Quote from: Podaar on May 14, 2015, 06:29:54 AM
Maybe I'm not the only one who feels this way?

Although I still enjoy the show.....If I had to use one word to describe the season thus far it'd be 'underwhelmed'. I think GOT's has created such an expectation for themselves that they are entering an era of not being able to live up to it. The acting is still spot on....the production.....it's all great, but the content of the episodes IMO has been inferior to previous seasons to this point. Saying all of that I still think it's one of the better shows available to watch, and again....I still enjoy it greatly. It just seems like somethings 'off' this season and I can't quite pin point it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2015, 06:42:08 AM: Quote from: Podaar on May 14, 2015, 06:29:54 AM
There are some major (dare I say favorite) threads/characters in the book that are completely missing in this show. It is widely known that the show runners know the ending of the story so when your favorite plot line is missing it tells you that ultimately its not important.
Or, it tells you that they have finally reached their limit on how many characters/plotlines they can keep juggling in the air at once, so they are hotshotting, shortcutting, and otherwise splicing together various threads from the book to arrive at the same place, but without the cast of thousands that the books would require.

In other words, it's not that those storylines/characters aren't important - they will just tell them/arrive at the same place using the characters they already have in place.

I hope.
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Post by: Tyrias on May 14, 2015, 06:58:09 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2015, 06:36:22 AM
Quote from: Podaar on May 14, 2015, 06:29:54 AM
Maybe I'm not the only one who feels this way?

Although I still enjoy the show.....If I had to use one word to describe the season thus far it'd be 'underwhelmed'. I think GOT's has created such an expectation for themselves that they are entering an era of not being able to live up to it. The acting is still spot on....the production.....it's all great, but the content of the episodes IMO has been inferior to previous seasons to this point. Saying all of that I still think it's one of the better shows available to watch, and again....I still enjoy it greatly. It just seems like somethings 'off' this season and I can't quite pin point it.

To be fair, I'd say these first 5 epsiodes of Season 5 have had a somewhat similar role as the first 5 episodes of season 1. A lot of plotlines had their climax during the end of season 4 and those new plotlines need some time to get moving. A few examples (some minor book spoilers below, as in differences between books and show, but nothing that would spoil the show for non-readers):
Tyrion - we've always seen him scheming in King's landing, and he is no longer there, interacting with chraracters he doesn't know that well and just heading towards a new plot (despite that, I really enjoyed the Tyrion bits this season, especially in Episode 5).
Dany - Well, after taking Meereen, she really hasn't been up to anything totally exciting, but she has to learn to rule. Which is not that exciting to watch, but stilll necessary (and I liked most of her parts as well).
Jaime - on his way to a new quest, but just at the very beginning of it. Also very exciting for book readers, since he does something enirely different in the books.
Jon - We've had 3, almost 4 seasons build up for the battle at the end of last season, they are still trying to recover from that and deal with the consequences.
Arya - Everyone she's travelled with is either dead or thought dead, and she is in a completely new place.
and so on.

And of course, compared to the books after Book 3 (which is basically at the end of season 4), the show is still moving at lightspeed. I think they are doing a really good job of adapting the gist of those books to the screen without doing many of the mistakes the book did and becoming overly complicated. I'm pretty sure we'll get a few GOT-legendary moments this season, but in total this one is going to be more of an intermediate catch-your-breath and character development season, just like books 4 and 5 were. I'm pretty sure speed will pick up again at the end of season 5.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2015, 07:22:32 AM: Quote from: Tyrias on May 14, 2015, 06:58:09 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2015, 06:36:22 AM
Quote from: Podaar on May 14, 2015, 06:29:54 AM
Maybe I'm not the only one who feels this way?

Although I still enjoy the show.....If I had to use one word to describe the season thus far it'd be 'underwhelmed'. I think GOT's has created such an expectation for themselves that they are entering an era of not being able to live up to it. The acting is still spot on....the production.....it's all great, but the content of the episodes IMO has been inferior to previous seasons to this point. Saying all of that I still think it's one of the better shows available to watch, and again....I still enjoy it greatly. It just seems like somethings 'off' this season and I can't quite pin point it.

To be fair, I'd say these first 5 epsiodes of Season 5 have had a somewhat similar role as the first 5 episodes of season 1. A lot of plotlines had their climax during the end of season 4 and those new plotlines need some time to get moving. A few examples (some minor book spoilers below, as in differences between books and show, but nothing that would spoil the show for non-readers):
Tyrion - we've always seen him scheming in King's landing, and he is no longer there, interacting with chraracters he doesn't know that well and just heading towards a new plot (despite that, I really enjoyed the Tyrion bits this season, especially in Episode 5).
Dany - Well, after taking Meereen, she really hasn't been up to anything totally exciting, but she has to learn to rule. Which is not that exciting to watch, but stilll necessary (and I liked most of her parts as well).
Jaime - on his way to a new quest, but just at the very beginning of it. Also very exciting for book readers, since he does something enirely different in the books.
Jon - We've had 3, almost 4 seasons build up for the battle at the end of last season, they are still trying to recover from that and deal with the consequences.
Arya - Everyone she's travelled with is either dead or thought dead, and she is in a completely new place.
and so on.

And of course, compared to the books after Book 3 (which is basically at the end of season 4), the show is still moving at lightspeed. I think they are doing a really good job of adapting the gist of those books to the screen without doing many of the mistakes the book did and becoming overly complicated. I'm pretty sure we'll get a few GOT-legendary moments this season, but in total this one is going to be more of an intermediate catch-your-breath and character development season, just like books 4 and 5 were. I'm pretty sure speed will pick up again at the end of season 5.

Oh certainly....I understand what they are doing and why. Those are great points you made. It has to be difficult to set these story lines up....and only have literally two or three minutes at a time to move them along. I'm not contesting that this season 'sucks'....it doesn't....for me at least it's just appears that if you stack this season up along side the last season or two....it's not quite as fast paced.
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Post by: faizoff on May 14, 2015, 07:36:59 AM: I think season 4 is still my favorite from the show just because it seemed intense throughtout. I love this season so far as well, don't care about changes from the book or if the ratings are low. It's definitely very different in vibe from the previous season. I mean it has to because season 4 was packing some intense events throughout. Not sure if this season will top the previous season but I love all 5 episodes so far. Most of the episodes seem like half setup and half action so far. My guess like everyone is that the action will intensify now on.
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Post by: ariich on May 14, 2015, 07:53:28 AM: Yeah I think seasons 1 and 4 are my favourites so far. Nothing bad about season 5 so far, and some really great moments, but lots of exposition, some of which is great and some of which just sort of feels a bit bland. But then if all the exposition leads to some big stuff in the second half of the season, it will have been totally worth it, so just have to wait and see!
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Post by: BlackInk on May 14, 2015, 09:11:39 AM: This season is also the beginning of 'act 2' of the entire overall story. Last season was the climax to the massive 'act 1'. I think act 2 will a bit more low key before shit really starts to go down in the final act of the story. Not saying there won't be important things happening this season though, I'm sure there are, and I love the season so far.

It's hard for me to rank the seasons because to me it's all the same season. One single long story, so I can't really seperate the seasons without feeling that I shouldn't.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 14, 2015, 09:12:32 AM: It feels like there should be more than two acts :lol
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Post by: BlackInk on May 14, 2015, 09:31:40 AM: Yes, act 3 is the final two books, and probably starts with season 6 by the looks of it.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 14, 2015, 09:34:54 AM: No I mean so much happened in S1-4 that it feels like it would be at least 2-3 acts in and of itself. Unless you're just talking about how the book officially separates the acts - I haven't read em and probably never will so I can't comment.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 14, 2015, 09:49:49 AM: Yeah that 'act' thing is referencing how the author has stated that he sees the story. It was originally planned as a trilogy of books but just grew too large for that. The first book, or the first act of the story as he now calls it, turned into the first three books (and the first four seasons of the show). The second book, act 2, turned into books 4 and 5 and will likely all be covered in season 5. The final two books is act 3, and will likely be seasons 6 and 7.
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Post by: faizoff on May 14, 2015, 10:24:52 AM: I'm done with book 2 now and starting book 3. I always thought season 4 was a mix of book 3, 4 and a little of 5. Regardless, I'm hoping to finish the remaining 3 books before the end of season 5 which is a pretty tall order.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 14, 2015, 11:42:27 AM: Yeah, there is some book 4 and 5 stuff in season 4, but the 'main' stories are the climactic parts of A Storm of Swords. There was still book 3 stuff going on in this season though, so the timeline is a lot more jumbled than it used to be.
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Post by: Tanatra on May 14, 2015, 12:11:19 PM: One thing that did bother me about this week's episode was the scene between Roose and Ramsay - it was written in direct contrast to last week's scene with Stannis and Shireen. I think the show did that to highlight the less apparent differences between Roose and Stannis, because the outward demeanors of both characters are quite similar if you think about it. However, both scenes followed the exact same formula, so it came off as unnatural and contrived to me.

That being said, both scenes were outstanding. My last paragraph was just the "overly analytical and incapable of appreciating anything" prog fan in me. :corn
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Post by: faizoff on May 17, 2015, 10:15:34 PM: This show is fucking awesome and the story lines I was most looking forward to (Arya & King's Landing) did not disappoint one single bit. Just when you start feeling good for Sansa, she gets fucked right in the ass.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2015, 06:53:32 AM: Littlefinger is good at playing the game! What a sly dude. He is planning this out so he wins regardless of who actually wins the fight, although one day his manipulation is going to have to catch up to him.

Awesome seeing Queen of Thorns back in Kings Landing. From the look on her face, you know she is going to do something to strike back against Cersei.

Dorne... well Dorne seems to be the most uninteresting and poorly written things this show has done so far. Also seems poorly cast with regards to the Sand Snakes which is surprising since the casting has always been done really well.

And.... Arya in the House of Black and White is badass. The basement was pretty crazy!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 07:40:34 AM: Loved the episode last night.

Due to the differences from the novels, I'm not sure what the hell is going to happen.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2015, 09:31:18 AM: I don't see how Theon doesn't kill Ramsay by the end of the season....and for a brief second I actually thought the episode was going to end with him 'saving' Sansa by killing him then.

Little Finger thus far has really been the only character who has nothing happen to him by cause of his actions. He always seems to be one step ahead.....but as cramx3 suggests....you'd just think that eventually it's going to catch up to him. Hopefully it's in a grand fashion.

Arya....just Wow! She's a quick study....
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2015, 09:51:21 AM: I just read this on the westoros.org forum but thought it was fitting

LF's scheming aint going to mean shit when the dragons and white walkers come to westeros :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2015, 09:53:47 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 18, 2015, 09:51:21 AM
LF's scheming aint going to mean shit when the dragons and white walkers come to westeros :lol

Or when Sansa figures his scheme all out and how she's just another pawn to him and stabs him in the heart........
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Post by: faizoff on May 18, 2015, 09:53:53 AM: Is it just me or does it seem like Tyrion's journey in this season somewhat echoes his journey from season 1? Being a captive and then having someone fight for him, bargaining for his life, etc..
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Post by: BlackInk on May 18, 2015, 10:07:24 AM: Loved the episode. Although yes, the Dorne stuff feels a bit underwhelming. Everything else is wonderful though. Some really tense scenes this week.

The face-room was really cool. Very excited for Arya's story and what the hell 'Jaqen' meant by that last bit. And holy shit, that was a brutal scene with Sansa and Ramsey. I also believed for a second that Theon was going to do something.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2015, 10:14:23 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 18, 2015, 10:07:24 AM
the Dorne stuff feels a bit underwhelming.

I feel the same way. It's just boring. Knowing that Jamie can't fight is boring....it'd have been more interesting had he somehow excelled in his training and was just as dominant sword fighter still. But....like as has been mentioned, the Dorne storyline has been a drag on the season IMO.

Quote from: BlackInk on May 18, 2015, 10:07:24 AM
The face-room was really cool. Very excited for Arya's story and what the hell 'Jaqen' meant by that last bit.

Yeah....that had a real 'Alien' feel to it.....all the little heads in their pods so to speak. I was even prepared for that womans eyes to pop open as Arya stroked her cheek. Very curious as to what Jaqen meant as well.....

Quote from: BlackInk on May 18, 2015, 10:07:24 AM
I also believed for a second that Theon was going to do something.

That actor did a great job because just behind the fear and obedience that "Reek's" face and emotion was giving off looked like to me utter hate and revenge from Theon....like he was just at the brink of breaking through the 'Reek' persona and doing something.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 18, 2015, 10:28:07 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
Yeah....that had a real 'Alien' feel to it.....all the little heads in their pods so to speak. I was even prepared for that womans eyes to pop open as Arya stroked her cheek. Very curious as to what Jaqen meant as well.....

Haha yeah I thought the same thing.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
That actor did a great job because just behind the fear and obedience that "Reek's" face and emotion was giving off looked like to me utter hate and revenge from Theon....like he was just at the brink of breaking through the 'Reek' persona and doing something.

Indeed, Alfie Allen plays Reek/Theon brilliantly.

I also thought that he'd confess to Sansa that he didn't kill Bran and Rickon in that scene after Sansa said "you think I care what he does to you?".
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Post by: Tanatra on May 18, 2015, 10:39:21 AM: Another awesome episode.

Quote from: cramx3 on May 18, 2015, 06:53:32 AM
Littlefinger is good at playing the game! What a sly dude. He is planning this out so he wins regardless of who actually wins the fight, although one day his manipulation is going to have to catch up to him.

Dorne... well Dorne seems to be the most uninteresting and poorly written things this show has done so far. Also seems poorly cast with regards to the Sand Snakes which is surprising since the casting has always been done really well.

Indeed. There wouldn't even be a war in Westeros had it not been for Littlefinger's political games. He convinced Lysa to poison Jon Arryn, he persuaded the Tyrells to side with the Lannisters, and in this week's episode he played Cersei like a boss.

I thought the casting was good for the Sand Snakes, but the writing is not - every scene they're in is just over-the-top feminist cheese.
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Post by: Evermind on May 18, 2015, 10:41:36 AM: Arya's scenes were awesome, real highlight of the episode. Especially the hall of faces. I also thought the face she touched in that hall looked eerily like her mother's. Another highlight of the episode was indeed Alfie Allen's acting.

Dorne's stuff was ridiculously bad to be honest. I'm really surprised it made the cut in a show like this, they usually do a great job, and Dorne is a huge miss for me so far. Casting (except Doran), storytelling, everything is just isn't doing it for me at all.

I'm also not sure about the Loras' birthmark. I mean, Olyvar was his squire, alright, but (in the books, at least) squires sometimes are asked to prepare a bath for their knights, this kind of stuff (Peck, Jaime's squire in AFFC does exactly that). So Olyvar could've spotted Loras' birthmark in some other circumstances, I guess.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2015, 10:54:12 AM: I thought the same thing about the birthmark but then just took it for what it is.

Quote from: Tanatra on May 18, 2015, 10:39:21 AM
Indeed. There wouldn't even be a war in Westeros had it not been for Littlefinger's political games. He convinced Lysa to poison Jon Arryn, he persuaded the Tyrells to side with the Lannisters, and in this week's episode he played Cersei like a boss.

Yup, plus he worked with the Tyrells to kill Joffrey.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 18, 2015, 11:25:15 AM: I wouldn't say that the Dorne stuff was "ridiculously bad", it was just a bit underwhelming.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 11:34:56 AM: I don't think enough development has been done for the entire region of Dorne to make sense of the things we are seeing.
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Post by: ariich on May 18, 2015, 03:45:06 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 18, 2015, 11:25:15 AM
I wouldn't say that the Dorne stuff was "ridiculously bad", it was just a bit underwhelming.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 11:34:56 AM
I don't think enough development has been done for the entire region of Dorne to make sense of the things we are seeing.
Agreed with these two points.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2015, 04:04:03 PM: I really thought that Jamie and Bronn just walking up to Trystane and Myrcella was ridiculous. Then add in that the Sand Snakes happen to be going after her at the exact same time too... and then the fighting was ridiculous too. Easily one of the worst scenes in the show IMO.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 18, 2015, 04:41:14 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 18, 2015, 10:28:07 AM
I also thought that he'd confess to Sansa that he didn't kill Bran and Rickon in that scene after Sansa said "you think I care what he does to you?".

If he did it the moment later on when he says his actual name wouldn't have as much of an impact because before that we're still used to him identifying as Reek.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 18, 2015, 09:47:37 PM: Quote from: Tanatra link=topic=22094.msg1960350#msg1960350
I thought the casting was good for the Sand Snakes, but the writing is not - every scene they're in is just over-the-top feminist cheese.

if this were true, their fight with Bronn and Jamie would have been something non-farcical, but... it was. just a horrid scene overall, really.

i hope Sansa gets to exact her own revenge for once, rather than Reek becoming Theon again and doing it for her.

aaand i am increasingly worried about who the inevitable 'big death' will be this season. there have been a lot of tender/deep scenes with several characters i like the most, which means at least one of them is probably going down :(
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 18, 2015, 10:16:27 PM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 18, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
one of them is probably going down :(

come oooooooon Sansa

EDIT: Though, I have to say, did they really have to do the rape thing again? I realise TV Sansa's story is a fusion of another character's storyline from the book, but that rape scene was ultimately unwarranted; there was no need to show Sansa as a victim again, nor did we need any more proof that Ramsay is a piece of shit. You'd think after the shitstorm they had after 'Breaker of Chains' they would think twice about using rape as a plot device.
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Post by: Evermind on May 18, 2015, 10:25:42 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 18, 2015, 04:04:03 PM
I really thought that Jamie and Bronn just walking up to Trystane and Myrcella was ridiculous. Then add in that the Sand Snakes happen to be going after her at the exact same time too... and then the fighting was ridiculous too. Easily one of the worst scenes in the show IMO.

All of this.
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Post by: ariich on May 19, 2015, 12:05:03 AM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 18, 2015, 10:16:27 PM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 18, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
one of them is probably going down :(

come oooooooon Sansa

EDIT: Though, I have to say, did they really have to do the rape thing again? I realise TV Sansa's story is a fusion of another character's storyline from the book, but that rape scene was ultimately unwarranted; there was no need to show Sansa as a victim again, nor did we need any more proof that Ramsay is a piece of shit. You'd think after the shitstorm they had after 'Breaker of Chains' they would think twice about using rape as a plot device.
It's what happened to Jeyne, who Sansa seems to have basically become now.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 19, 2015, 05:41:46 AM: This season has definitely been the least exciting. I'm curious about what happens but I feel like something is missing.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 19, 2015, 05:43:48 AM: ^Yep.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2015, 05:48:10 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 19, 2015, 12:05:03 AM
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 18, 2015, 10:16:27 PM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 18, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
one of them is probably going down :(

come oooooooon Sansa

EDIT: Though, I have to say, did they really have to do the rape thing again? I realise TV Sansa's story is a fusion of another character's storyline from the book, but that rape scene was ultimately unwarranted; there was no need to show Sansa as a victim again, nor did we need any more proof that Ramsay is a piece of shit. You'd think after the shitstorm they had after 'Breaker of Chains' they would think twice about using rape as a plot device.
It's what happened to Jeyne, who Sansa seems to have basically become now.

I dont think the rape was meant to be the main focus on the scene, it was more about Reek/Theon IMO. Hence the large focus on his face at the end. Not to downplay Sansa, but this rape had a lot more purpose to the storyline that Sansa being tortured some more.

Quote from: Prog Snob on May 19, 2015, 05:41:46 AM
This season has definitely been the least exciting. I'm curious about what happens but I feel like something is missing.

This. Its not to say I am not enjoying the season, it's just been the least eventful. I have a few theories as to why, one being the large amount of deaths in the last two seasons have ended lots of smaller storylines meaning new ones need to be built and thats whats happening and I also think the fact that the show writers have little GRRM source material to follow means that they need to be more creative and they just aren't as good as GRRM. While you can argue that they have a lot of material from the last two books, most of those pages in those two books are internal struggles of characters and other scenes that dont translate to TV, hence all the changes from the books. Plus lots of characters just aren't in the show now. All of that means more weight is put onto the show writers shoulders than previously
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Post by: faizoff on May 19, 2015, 05:55:59 AM: I've been loving this season so far and in retrospect seems a lot like season one with the buildup of characters and story lines. I get why people may be less enthused I mean you're coming off a season with some major events and compared to that it's definitely going to not hold up. However, this buildup is what I think is one of the main identity of the show, the slow burn is what sets up for the payoff later.

I agree with the posts talking about how the Dorne fighting scene seemed rather tame, I mean on just the first viewing I thought it looked really oddly choreographed or maybe the footage was from rehearsals. Just very unlike GOT.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 19, 2015, 06:00:50 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 19, 2015, 05:48:10 AM

This. Its not to say I am not enjoying the season, it's just been the least eventful. I have a few theories as to why, one being the large amount of deaths in the last two seasons have ended lots of smaller storylines meaning new ones need to be built and thats whats happening and I also think the fact that the show writers have little GRRM source material to follow means that they need to be more creative and they just aren't as good as GRRM. While you can argue that they have a lot of material from the last two books, most of those pages in those two books are internal struggles of characters and other scenes that dont translate to TV, hence all the changes from the books. Plus lots of characters just aren't in the show now. All of that means more weight is put onto the show writers shoulders than previously

That makes sense. I was thinking myself that there is a lot of build-up this season. We might get a couple of deaths by the end of the season but nowhere near the massiveness of Season 4.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 19, 2015, 06:09:09 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 19, 2015, 05:48:10 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 19, 2015, 12:05:03 AM
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 18, 2015, 10:16:27 PM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 18, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
one of them is probably going down :(

come oooooooon Sansa

EDIT: Though, I have to say, did they really have to do the rape thing again? I realise TV Sansa's story is a fusion of another character's storyline from the book, but that rape scene was ultimately unwarranted; there was no need to show Sansa as a victim again, nor did we need any more proof that Ramsay is a piece of shit. You'd think after the shitstorm they had after 'Breaker of Chains' they would think twice about using rape as a plot device.
It's what happened to Jeyne, who Sansa seems to have basically become now.

I dont think the rape was meant to be the main focus on the scene, it was more about Reek/Theon IMO. Hence the large focus on his face at the end. Not to downplay Sansa, but this rape had a lot more purpose to the storyline that Sansa being tortured some more.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Something about it just doesn't sit right with me. It's almost the same thing with the Jaime Lannister character, how there was this massive redemptive arc going on, culminating in him raping his sister again. Sansa has gone through all this bullshit, her character has been through the wringer, been at the mercy of men ever since she left winterfell, all to return home and become prey for another male. It's just getting a bit old for me - perhaps that's the reason I'm not digging this season as much, there haven't been any new tricks as of late, just the same old shit.
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Post by: ariich on May 19, 2015, 06:14:21 AM: Big events =/= deaths. Whether there are any important deaths or not (and let's face it, even book-fans have no idea who's going to die anymore), I'm expecting there to be some big events towards the end of the season.

But what I loved about season 4 was how nicely spread out it all was. Joffrey's death in episode 2, much of Tyrion's trial in the middle of the season, Oberyn's fight in episode 7, the battle at the wall in episode 9. By contrast, season 5 has been taking the slow build approach, which there's nothing wrong with in principle (and there are some shows like that which I love), but which I think the writers are not so good at. They are brilliant at event-TV, but aren't so far as engaging with slower plot development.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 19, 2015, 06:16:38 AM: I've grown to like Sansa's character over the last couple of seasons mainly because I don't know where her character is heading. Maybe it's because she's in LF's company and you never know what's going on with him. I did not like the rape scene with Ramsay. Even though she is filling in for someone else's character I still do not think she needs to go through this nonsense again.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2015, 06:23:47 AM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 19, 2015, 06:09:09 AM
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Something about it just doesn't sit right with me. It's almost the same thing with the Jaime Lannister character, how there was this massive redemptive arc going on, culminating in him raping his sister again. Sansa has gone through all this bullshit, her character has been through the wringer, been at the mercy of men ever since she left winterfell, all to return home and become prey for another male. It's just getting a bit old for me - perhaps that's the reason I'm not digging this season as much, there haven't been any new tricks as of late, just the same old shit.

The Jamie rape was so poorly done by the show. It wasn't even rape in the books and the show writers said it wasn't rape in the show, but if you watch, it sure looks like rape to mean (and sounds like rape when Cersei says No). They killed Jaime's character with that scene because he was supposed to be redeemed in many ways after season 3 by helping Brienne and the continuing that redemption in the current season by helping his daughter (in the books, he does other things to also redeem himself).
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 19, 2015, 06:30:12 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 19, 2015, 06:23:47 AM
The Jamie rape was so poorly done by the show. It wasn't even rape in the books and the show writers said it wasn't rape in the show, but if you watch, it sure looks like rape to mean (and sounds like rape when Cersei says No). They killed Jaime's character with that scene because he was supposed to be redeemed in many ways after season 3 by helping Brienne and the continuing that redemption in the current season by helping his daughter (in the books, he does other things to also redeem himself).

I think you're dead right. It's awfully hard to feel any empathy for the character after that scene, which seems so counter-intutitive after all the redemption, like you say. I feel like the same thing's happened with Sansa's character. Its a shame to think that in both instances its the show making a complete balls up of the source material.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 19, 2015, 06:57:53 AM: I'm a bit surprised to see online the amount of backlash from critics over the Sansa rape scene, or people calling it unneccessary or a gratuitous addition by the show. I mean I thought the reaction to the Jaime-Cersei scene last year was overblown but I can at least understand where people were coming from, as my main reaction to it was "Huh?" It didn't really make sense and seemed like something that was just thrown in without too much thought. And considering that it turns out it was actually intended to just be another step in Jaime and Cersei's twisted and fucked up relationship (after all, remember this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnvzqfWJXm0) was basically the peak of their relationship before Jaime left King's Landing) rather than something people would interpret as straight-forward rape (and the directors clearly failed to get their intentions across) it makes sense that it became something people were reacting to strongly but seemed like a gratuitous, out of place addition to the show that wasn't treated as seriously in the story as it should have been.

But the Sansa scene does not have any of those problems. For one thing, it makes perfect sense and is completely logical. What did people expect to happen after their wedding? Marriages are expected to be consumated on the wedding night in Westeros - Sansa expected essentially this to happen to her after her wedding to Tyrion but he didn't want to go through with it. Were we really expecting that Ramsay Bolton wouldn't be a bad enough guy to do what Tyrion wouldn't? It is completely in character, and I can't really imagine what plot contrivances would have to happen for him to be fine with not consumating the marriage. Also remember the same thing (sans Theon) happened to Daenerys in the first episode. Except there (apart from the inclusion of Theon) things were arguably even worse. Sansa made the choice to come to Winterfell as part of a long game to get revenge on the Boltons. She may not have known what a fucked up bastard Ramsay really was, but she would have known what a wedding night entailed, and was willing to go through with it and make that sacrifice anyway. It doesn't matter what specific plan for revenge she actually has at the moment, or if she even has one, but the core idea and motivation is there: I will endure this to be back in my home and close to my enemies, but at some point the tables will turn (whether it's because of Stannis, Littlefinger, Brienne, or just some pissed off locals shouting "The North Remembers!") and this mummer's farce will be done. Daenerys didn't have that - she was married off without any choice and didn't even have part of a plan for how it was going to turn out. All she could do was accept her position and embrace her rapist and captors.

As for the scene itself, I thought the way it was done was perfect - nothing gratuitous was shown, and it was completely horrifying to audiences without the excessive brutality of the events in the book. It also really drove home what a vital scene it was not just for Sansa and Ramsay but Theon. I know there are some people that think sexual violence is never neccessary in fiction (although murder and torture are apparently cool) but it's hard to see this rape just being something that was thrown in that won't have profound effect for the characters and plot going forward.

Lastly there's the "it's different from the book, so it's the show adding in more rape!" argument. Well, as has been said before the events in the book play out similarly except with a different girl - Jeyne Poole, who was Sansa's friend and companion in book 1, until her father was killed when Ned Stark was betrayed and she basically became a captive who was "trained" in a brothel, with whip marks to show for it. So yes, Sansa being raped by Ramsay is a change, but I almost wonder what it says that supposedly experienced TV critics are saying it's too far because it happens to Sansa, but it's fine for some other girl in very similar circumstances to be forced to do the same and worse, "with Ramsay or with the dog". The show chose to merge storylines to bring it's existing characters and actors together, rather than bring in a new character just to be a rape victim (something which would be complained about if they did it that way, too). And as for it being too different from Sansa's book storyline... well, (book spoilers ahead) as of The Winds Of Winter Sansa's current position is being led into a marriage by Littlefinger for political gain, to someone she describes as horrible ("The world is full of horrors," says Littlefinger when she protests this) while her friend named Myranda is jealous of who she is marrying... so I wouldn't be so confident that her current direction is "nothing like the books" yet.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2015, 07:10:58 AM: Well, basically, all of ^that^

It always makes me laugh when people get surprised when an awful thing happens on a show known for awful things happening.
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Post by: Jaq on May 19, 2015, 07:48:35 AM: Try having to talk your girlfriend who is a rape survivor out of the bout with PTSD reaction that scene triggered and you might figure out why it offended people.

This show's handling of sexualized violence to women is deplorable. The producers took a liking to an already problematic scene from the books and completely destroyed Sansa's story as presented in the books and put her in a place that she isn't because they liked a scene where a woman got violently raped so much. It's bad enough that Martin felt the urge to include it-rape as The Horrible Thing That Happens To Women in fiction is such a fucking overused trope as it is-but the producers broke the fucking story to get Sansa there for it to happen. And then shot the scene to make it be about Theon. Last year they shot a rape scene and didn't even know they had. Women are killed in violent, degrading, horrific ways that serve no purpose in the story because it seems that's the default mode for dealing with women in the show.

I admit I have a massive fucking bias here. But when you know someone-love someone, for whom rape is something that happened to them, not a plot device, well, you tend to get really pissed off when things like this are played with cavalierly. Fuck this show, fuck the producers, fuck HBO, I'm fucking done with it.
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Post by: faizoff on May 19, 2015, 08:01:07 AM: My sympathies to your girlfriend Jaq but I'm curious about one thing, why not abandon the show after the first episode? There's a brutal depiction in the first episode and then again an even more brutal depiction in the second episode, I mean that's really hard to watch because they're actually showing it happen. Why not quit watching the show then? Last episode it was heavily implied and nothing was shown.

I'm genuinely asking and not being facetious, I'm not taking light of your situation and its implications.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 19, 2015, 08:23:15 AM: I am sorry for what happened to your girlfriend (I also have people close to me that have suffered, though I don't want to include any more details) and that the scene had that effect for both of you. But I would have to echo faizoff - the show had a very similar scene in the very first episode, so if depiction of rape on screen was a problem then the show established itself from the outset as something that should be avoided. Like I said, I am aware that some people are opposed to rape and sexual violence being used in ficiton at all (although I disagree with that) and that their inclusion in Game Of Thrones is always going to be opposed by some. But the show is already known for including that stuff, and in this case the scene was executed well and avoided showing too much, it makes sense for the plot and characters involved (if you accept that Sansa is in Winterfell), and it is treated with the weight and significance it deserves.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2015, 08:35:13 AM: Quote from: Jaq on May 19, 2015, 07:48:35 AM
This show's handling of sexualized violence to women is deplorable. The producers took a liking to an already problematic scene from the books and completely destroyed Sansa's story as presented in the books and put her in a place that she isn't because they liked a scene where a woman got violently raped so much. It's bad enough that Martin felt the urge to include it-rape as The Horrible Thing That Happens To Women in fiction is such a fucking overused trope as it is-but the producers broke the fucking story to get Sansa there for it to happen. And then shot the scene to make it be about Theon. Last year they shot a rape scene and didn't even know they had. Women are killed in violent, degrading, horrific ways that serve no purpose in the story because it seems that's the default mode for dealing with women in the show.

I understand you have a personal issue here and that's fine, but this paragraph makes little sense to me. It's a TV show that depicts a world where woman are not treated as equals to men. I very much doubt the show runners changed Sansa's story for the purpose of including a rape scene. I will say there is a lot of gratioutis nudity that does not advance the story, but for the most parts (besides Jaime) the rape scenes server a purpose for the story telling. If it bothers you as much as it does, then just don't watch.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2015, 08:39:21 AM: Jaq, out of respect for you and your girlfriend, I'm not going to respond point by point, but it sounds like you absolutely have a bias here, and this is just probably not the show or book series for you.
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Post by: Jaq on May 19, 2015, 08:54:38 AM: ...I'm done with this place.

Goodbye, you clueless, insensitive bastards. Ban me so I won't have the urge to come back here and be sick to my stomach again.
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Post by: Evermind on May 19, 2015, 09:20:19 AM: I kind of agree with Jaq on some points. What happened to Jeyne Poole in the books was beyond horrible, but she served as a secondary character and as a catalyst for Theon to reawake his personality. Theon was the center of the storyline in the book, along with the whole unstable political situation in the North.

The show placed Sansa in Jeyne's place. As the writers said themselves after S4, Sansa was on her way from pawn to player and her character was actually growing after a few seasons of constant misery. Then this rape scene comes in. I think some people can say that Sansa will start her "avenge your siblings and yourself" actions after that, and that will push her to become a player in GoT further. Somehow I really doubt that's how it works for people who have been raped, but I don't have a lot of experience in this field, so alright.

The second problem of this character switch is how there is now another lead character and protagonist (Sansa) in Winterfell along with Theon. I've seen some people over the web saying this scene was more about Theon and not Sansa. The fact this conclusion can be drawn is, in my opinion, the problem. One of the main protagonists is being raped, and the scene is more about Theon. No way for me. The thithing is, this scene takes away from both Theon and Sansa storylines, taking attention away from the former, and basically ruining the latter.

See, I'm not saying this was unexpected at all, rather predictable actually. I was expecting this moment when the wedding had been announced, and yeah, here we are. Ned's death and Red Wedding were unexpected, yet predictable in retrospect. This rape is where it all was heading from third episode, so no big surprise here. Besides, why Sansa even had to leave the Vale? She was safe there. The Vale has an army unscattered by war. To avenge her siblings? Well, if Stannis has larger army and more chances to win, why don't go straight to Stannis? Or stay in the Vale and see the outcome of the battle. I'm not even saying that she is wanted by the Crown for helping to murder the king. Instead, she openly travels to Winterfell to marry the bastard son of a man who betrayed her brother stabbing him through the heart. "Avenge them" indeed.

Another point is I don't see the reason why Boltons needed Sansa at all. In the books they needed to arrange a marriage with a Stark because of their unsteady hold on the North, to be more legitimate in the eyes of other numerous Northern lords - they were invited to the wedding and all that. For these six episodes, I saw no Northern lords in WF at all. None on the wedding too. Ramsay seems perfectly alright with killing Lord Cerwyn for not paying taxes in episode two, so it doesn't seem like there are any problems on that front. Besides, if the wedding wasn't even witnessed by anyone, how Boltons can prove it even took place?

Eddard's death and RW were reasonable regarding the plot. This season storyline in WF for me is illogical. It seems like Sansa if there just to fill the quota of "awful things happening to the characters we love". It will probably move plot forward, but I expect it creating even more plotholes. If Sansa suddenly recovers and becomes a smart vengeful player or something like that, I won't find it very plausible. Maybe they will find some believable way to unfold the events further, but my faith in D&D regarding Northern arc and Sansa storyline is dwindling with each episode, and it's at its lowest point now.

I was holding my doubts in case there magically would be no rape, but now that there's no doubts, it feels good to post this rant here. :biggrin:
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Post by: Zydar on May 19, 2015, 09:22:18 AM: Quote from: Jaq on May 19, 2015, 08:54:38 AM
...I'm done with this place.

Goodbye, you clueless, insensitive bastards. Ban me so I won't have the urge to come back here and be sick to my stomach again.

Wow.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2015, 09:42:08 AM: I hope the writers never cower away from including these scenes just because some people react like this.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2015, 10:21:54 AM: On another note, I don't see this as 'Sansa falling back into the same thing from before'. She been a 'captive' sure, and Joffrey talked about doing horrible stuff, but the last time she was actually a physical victim (apart from that mob) was when Joffrey had Meryn beat her in season 2. I mean, through most of season 2, and all through seasons 3 and 4, she has been avoiding danger. So for her to come up here and having it turn out to be even worse is not repetitive for me.

And personally, I don't think that scene was about Theon. For me it was all about Sansa, and Theon was just a bystander. A great acted bystander, but still that.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2015, 10:29:24 AM: Quote from: Jaq on May 19, 2015, 08:54:38 AM
...I'm done with this place.

Goodbye, you clueless, insensitive bastards. Ban me so I won't have the urge to come back here and be sick to my stomach again.
I'm sorry you feel that way. But I didn't see anyone being clueless or insensitive. And I'm not going to ban you, because you haven't done anything ban-worthy.
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Post by: faizoff on May 19, 2015, 11:00:58 AM: To change topics a bit, I haven't checked all the pages of this thread but has this site ever been brought up? viewers-guide.hbo.com Im sure it's been talked about already.

I can't believe I just discovered this site last week. It's an amazing interactive site for a quick exploration of all characters and information release so far and gets updated after every episode airs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 19, 2015, 03:10:26 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 19, 2015, 09:42:08 AM
I hope the writers never cower away from including these scenes just because some people react like this.

I think this weeks episode proves that they're not the 'cowering' type.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 19, 2015, 09:36:48 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 19, 2015, 06:16:38 AM
I've grown to like Sansa's character over the last couple of seasons mainly because I don't know where her character is heading. Maybe it's because she's in LF's company and you never know what's going on with him. I did not like the rape scene with Ramsay. Even though she is filling in for someone else's character I still do not think she needs to go through this nonsense again.
100% agreed.

What's the point of Sansa having an arc where she grows from the naive pawn of the horrible, powerful Lannisters to become an independent and, hopefully, intelligent and cunning player of the game? That's what the end of last season was hinting at. But, I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but there's been very little sign of that this season. Sansa has remained the pawn of powerful, external forces, she has no agency and she certainly is not a player, she's just been moved from one pair of abusive hands to another. The rape, which is just as tasteless and grotesque as all of the other rape scenes in the show, is just a culmination of that. Perhaps the rape will serve some story purpose, but if that purpose is to primarily motivate OTHER characters to act on her behalf, then what is the point of her character? There are so many different ways the writers could've handled the Sansa in Winterfell story, but by keeping Sansa passive they've basically rewound her character back to when she was cowering beneath the tyranny of Joffrey, except Joffrey is much, much worse to her this time.

So no, I don't object to rape being a plot point as a rule, but I do object to this rape as a plot and thematic development. If this does lead to Sansa gaining more agency and working to have more control over her own situation and become a real player in the game, well, I think relying on rape as a motivating factor is lazy ass plotting. It's been done a thousand times, it's cliche, and Game of Thrones (and especially the books they are based on) do not typically rely on cliches to move the plot. So this is one area where, IMO, rape is just better off left off the table.

The Dorne scene was one truly lazy piece of plotting along with one of the worst fight scenes in the show's history. I will gladly take 'convenient' plotting in order to keep the story moving along at a brisk pace, but Jaime and Bronn are able to sneak into and right up to the princess of the Seven Kingdoms so easily? C'mon. And the Sand Snakes are barely able to hold their own against a has-been one-handed warrior and a sellsword? Well, yeah Bronn is badass, but it just makes the Sand Snakes look ineffective.

The rest I liked.

Theon's story is one of my favorite's from the book and Alfie Allen continues to kill it. I really like his Theon. It's sad that he gets such a good scene at the expense of another character (Sansa). Same with Arya. I really like Maisie as Arya and while her scenes this year have been kind of slow I still dig it. Cersei's stuff is okay but I'm not a fan with how they're ham-handedly kludging the plot along. The Jamie stuff sucks but his story has kinda sucked for the past two seasons so this is just more of the same. So far, I've been mostly liking this season and, up until now, it hasn't disappointed me as much as certain parts of Season 4 did, but this episode may have just tipped the scales a bit.

TLDR I pretty much 110% agree with Evermind
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 19, 2015, 10:24:35 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2015, 08:39:21 AM
Jaq, out of respect for you and your girlfriend, I'm not going to respond point by point, but it sounds like you absolutely have a bias here, and this is just probably not the show or book series for you.

This.

Quote from: BlackInk on May 19, 2015, 09:42:08 AM
I hope the writers never cower away from including these scenes just because some people react like this.

And that.

Then an addition of complete cluelessness on the backlash and the "rape" label, Sansa knew sex was gonna happen, it was her wedding night, she was already taking her dress off, she was going to have sex with Ramsay! She didn't even say "No" once through out the expected deflowering pain moans. The guy is an animal and rough handles everyone and everything he ever comes across, he's clearly been psychotic without exaggeration in using the word. I would be more understanding of the backlash if I saw how this was rape, I'd even understand it if they had actually shown him doing it!
Havign said that; Jaq I know I can never understand how you and your girlfriend feel about this, long as I haven't experienced it or a seen it on a loved one, I'm sorry for your pain brother.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 19, 2015, 10:32:47 PM: On a different note I remember last time we heard of the Greyjoy's they were still in open rebellion and had occupied a few places in the North, when Ramsay sent Balon Greyjoy his son's penis in a box; Balon said he doesn't care and is not backing out, then nothing, we haven't heard from that arc since then, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2015, 10:47:53 PM: That is actually something I've thought of as well. I know that stuff is addressed in the books, but looks like they're ignoring it completely in the show for the moment.

And I still really don't see how this all regresses Sansa's arc. Like Progmetty said, she knew this was coming, and was willing to go through with it. This is part of her game. It might have turned out worse than she expected, but Sansa still playing her game here.
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Post by: Evermind on May 19, 2015, 10:57:42 PM: I guess the Ironborn plotline is currently on hold, like Gendry who's still rowing somewhere in the sea and Blackfish who's still urinating somewhere at the Twins. :biggrin:
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Post by: ariich on May 20, 2015, 02:11:24 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 19, 2015, 10:24:35 PM
Then an addition of complete cluelessness on the backlash and the "rape" label, Sansa knew sex was gonna happen, it was her wedding night, she was already taking her dress off, she was going to have sex with Ramsay! She didn't even say "No" once through out the expected deflowering pain moans. The guy is an animal and rough handles everyone and everything he ever comes across, he's clearly been psychotic without exaggeration in using the word. I would be more understanding of the backlash if I saw how this was rape
This is quite an important point that almost nobody has been making. I'm sure more people are thinking it, but possibly reluctant to point it out because of the angry backlash.

Of course the scene is very horrible, but in the world of Game of Thrones, and more importantly the real era in English history that it is based on, a marriage was not lawful until it was consummated, which was almost always on the wedding night. Sansa has become stronger and more cunning, and agrees to marry Ramsay hoping to gain some power once Stannis attacks. Therefore, by extension she also agrees to sleep with him. She puts up no resistance, either verbal or physical.

In today's society, such a circumstance would very likely constitute rape, and most people will of course view the episode through that lens. But in the world of GOT and the era it is based on, it almost certainly would not count as rape.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2015, 05:06:44 AM: To the people who think Sansa is going backwards in her arc, let's not forget that Cersei in season 2 told Sansa how to use her body to manipulate. Is it possible thats exactly what she did to Ramsay in that scene (besides doing her duty as a bride in Westeros)? Clearly she didn't seem like she wanted to, but she also didn't resist or even say no.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 20, 2015, 05:18:59 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 20, 2015, 02:11:24 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 19, 2015, 10:24:35 PM
Then an addition of complete cluelessness on the backlash and the "rape" label, Sansa knew sex was gonna happen, it was her wedding night, she was already taking her dress off, she was going to have sex with Ramsay! She didn't even say "No" once through out the expected deflowering pain moans. The guy is an animal and rough handles everyone and everything he ever comes across, he's clearly been psychotic without exaggeration in using the word. I would be more understanding of the backlash if I saw how this was rape
This is quite an important point that almost nobody has been making. I'm sure more people are thinking it, but possibly reluctant to point it out because of the angry backlash.

Of course the scene is very horrible, but in the world of Game of Thrones, and more importantly the real era in English history that it is based on, a marriage was not lawful until it was consummated, which was almost always on the wedding night. Sansa has become stronger and more cunning, and agrees to marry Ramsay hoping to gain some power once Stannis attacks. Therefore, by extension she also agrees to sleep with him. She puts up no resistance, either verbal or physical.

In today's society, such a circumstance would very likely constitute rape, and most people will of course view the episode through that lens. But in the world of GOT and the era it is based on, it almost certainly would not count as rape.
I think that in Westeros it wouldn't be treated as rape simply because they are married, but that's just because they have no concept of marital rape and generally allow a huge amount of sexual abuse in their world, so a Westerosi not considering something rape doesn't mean much. Also, you are probably right that it isn't really discussed since most people will know that any discussion of what constitutes rape will just inevitably derail and drag down the discussion.

Personally, my take woule be that even if consummating the marriage would be expected and not considered rape in Westeros, Ramsay made sure to make it play out as much like rape as possible. I think that Sansa knew she would be expected to have sex, and was probably willing to go through with it (if unhappily) when she walked into that room. Technically that could be argued as rape by modern standards, even though it's the norm for most Westeros marriages. But by bringing in Theon and turning it into a sick little spectacle, making it as uncomfortable as possible for Sansa and displaying his power over her, Ramsay made sure to turn an act that could have been in a more grey area (consensual by Westerosi standards but arguably rape by modern standards since Sansa is only consenting because of the pressure of the marriage) into something that more clearly had the impact of being rape.

Also a general point about the commokn criticism I have seen: "Sansa is meant to be going from pawn to player, victim to badass, etc."... Again, it is along the lines of "Do you remember what show you are watching?" Any ideas that this is a story where events and characters progress smoothly along the arcs you've got them pegged down for should have disappeared when Ned Stark lost his head. I mean if you look at a character like Daenerys, around season 3 the obvious thought of most fans was "Ok, she's got an army and dragons, time to head to Westeros and conquer!" Instead she decided to stay to free more slaves and rule, then it was "Of course, she's going to stay in Meereen a little while, gain some queen XP points and level up her dragons a bit, then it's off to Westeros as a beloved ruler with an even bigger army and bigger dragons!!" Instead, currently she has basically lost control of her dragons and is struggling to keep the peace in her city. And [MAJOR BOOK AND PROBABLY SHOW SPOILERS IN THE NEXT SENTENCE] by the end of the current book she is isolated, starving and sick in the wilderness (roughly her season 2 starting position) and may just be about to be captured by Dothraki (roughly her season 1 position). Things will likely turn out differently this time with Drogon at her side (just as things will likely turn out differently for Sansa this time). Daenerys's predicted arc may still play out similarly to how people guessed ages ago, but if so it certainly wasn't through clean progression without some apparent steps off course or even backwards. And that's just one example in the series. Hell, if the show had beaten the books to the punch with the Red Wedding, some people would probably be saying "But Robb Stark was supposed to bre a heroic badass and save his sisters, not die in some pointless massacre for shock value!"
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Post by: BlackInk on May 20, 2015, 05:47:22 AM: Also, people all over the internet is all like 'Sansa is 100% a player of the game now'. That would be really really unrealistic. She has shown us that she is able to be that once, when she lied to some people. To expect that moment to be an instantanious total change of her character is not realistic, and writing it that way would have been really silly. She is still the same person as before, just trying to learn now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 20, 2015, 06:19:27 AM: Well, the show kind of dumbed down the whole Red Wedding with Talisa replacing Jeyne Westerling (see guys, nothing good comes out of replacing characters named Jeyne). In the show, it felt to me like Robb just suddenly falls in love; in the books he was stricken with grief for his supposedly dead brothers, probably wasn't thinking straight, slept with Jeyne and had to either marry her or dishonor, since she was from a noble house after all (that was stupid from Robb, but not as stupid as the show version of marrying a foreigner because love). Also, Jeyne's parents were working for Lannisters, so there's that too.

In regards of Sansa being on the path from pawn to player, that's something the showwriters repeatedly said about S4 ending, also adding the growth will continue in S5. Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of growth this season. I attributed this for one of three following reasons:

- The writers were intentionally misleading and lying about the real course of Sansa arc

That would kind of defeat the purpose of Inside the Episode features, DVD documentaries and interviews with the writers.

- The growth is starting out slowly (like in the books) and will get in full force later this season

As I explained in the post above, the previous episode rape scene made this point almost totally implausible for me.

- The writers sometimes don't understand some points in characters' arcs, characters' motivations, and sometimes go with the wrong approach to some plots, scenes and characters.

I've been thinking about it, and I think that's the answer for me. In S4 they did that infamous Jaime-Cersei rape scene after spending the whole S3 with Jaime on his redemption arc, then they said the scene wasn't meant to be perceived as rape (everyone I know perceived this scene in exactly that way). That's alright, they're people and can make mistakes, I thought. What really got me though, is what they said about Arya refusing to give up Needle in S05E03 Inside the Episode, implying she doesn't throw it away because it symbolizes revenge for her. That passage from AFFC in this scene (readers will hopefully know which one) was probably my favourite moment in the book, so I was a bit pissed off.

(Side note: I should stop watching those Inside the Episode videos, really.)

Sorry for all the negativity guys, I guess I'll stop my rant here and will just wait for the next episode.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 20, 2015, 07:17:22 AM: Well, I'm late to the party as usual. Give all the outrage on the net I sat down last night to watch the episode with a mindset of 'alright, here comes the horror'. Yes, it was brutal, but given the series history of 'gross out scenes', I thought it was actually pretty decently (as if that's possible with a rape-scene) done. It's all suggestion, all actor's faces closeups. No actual phycical action going on at all. Let's be honest folks, we've seen LOTS worse in this show.

Also, for the rest of the episode, I really agree on the lame-less of the sandsnake/Jamie/whatsisname fight. I mean come on, these were the fierce sandsnakes we've heard so much about? Reminded me of the scene in Indiana Jones when the guy comes up to Jones with all the Karate-moves and Indiana just pulls out a gun and shoots the guy.

Arya scenes were great though. I think we'll see a big pick up on the pace in the next episodes.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2015, 07:47:32 AM: I must have viewed it differently I guess. As it's been mentioned....I thought that Sansa knew full well that she was going to have sex after that wedding and that despite it being 'rough' or not "romantic"....the painful moans from her was attributed to the fact that she'd never had sex? I might be one of the few people who believe that the scene was indeed about Theon. After Ramsay rips Sansas dress the rest of the way off The focus of the remainder of the scene was entirely on him and his reaction.

As far as Sansa 'not being a player' now or the lack of her development, I thought the Bath scene showed she has some grit....albeit she was fending off the daughter of a kennel keeper, but still....she seems confident now that she's home.

I've said it a few times already this season but it still rings true....there just seems to be something off and missing from this season that was there in the previous seasons? This entire Dorne escapade is so below the standard that has been set by the show it really is a wonder how they are actually showing these scenes. It's been pretty bad....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 20, 2015, 08:15:57 AM: Kinda funny how universal the reaction is to the Dorne fight. Pretty much everyone I've spoken to reading comments online everywhere say how lame it was and completely unlike GOT. It really was the first time while watching the show I felt like I was taken out of the show and had me wondering why it looked so bad.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 20, 2015, 08:26:32 AM: Could the difference of this season be attributed to the fact that GRRM did not write any episodes for this season?
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Post by: Progmetty on May 20, 2015, 09:23:53 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 20, 2015, 02:11:24 AM
Of course the scene is very horrible, but in the world of Game of Thrones, and more importantly the real era in English history that it is based on, a marriage was not lawful until it was consummated, which was almost always on the wedding night. Sansa has become stronger and more cunning, and agrees to marry Ramsay hoping to gain some power once Stannis attacks. Therefore, by extension she also agrees to sleep with him. She puts up no resistance, either verbal or physical.

In today's society, such a circumstance would very likely constitute rape, and most people will of course view the episode through that lens. But in the world of GOT and the era it is based on, it almost certainly would not count as rape.

I think a lot of people in current Western nations, specifically America and Western Europe, tend to ignore/forget how their ancestors and societies worked in medieval times, they assume the standards for decency has always been the same to them, like history started counting sometime in the mid 19th century. It's reversed with us Arabs where a lot of us tend to think all the history that mattered happened before that time and everything that came after is just corrupting the good old standards and definitions and that makes us seem so reversed from Westerners. I know that might have been a little off topic but it was just a thought that crossed my mind when you correctly referred to these social attributes mirroring a "real era in English history" the show is based on as opposed to most other reviewers referring to these attributes as things of the fictional world of Westeros.

Quote from: Prog Snob on May 20, 2015, 08:26:32 AM
Could the difference of this season be attributed to the fact that GRRM did not write any episodes for this season?

Maybe, I read everyone's perspective on what seems different about this season and personally the only thing I could personally think of is how there's more POV's covered per episode than any previous season, so things feel a bit more rushed for lack of a better term.

Quote from: faizoff on May 20, 2015, 08:15:57 AM
Kinda funny how universal the reaction is to the Dorne fight. Pretty much everyone I've spoken to reading comments online everywhere say how lame it was and completely unlike GOT. It really was the first time while watching the show I felt like I was taken out of the show and had me wondering why it looked so bad.

To me it felt like less-than-expected camera work, big contrast to the previous episode outstanding directional talent. I'd be surprised if the same guy directed both episodes.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 20, 2015, 09:30:13 AM: I don't know if GRRM not directing had something to do with it, but I know that the showrunners said for years that "season 5 gives me nightmares". They knew that this season would be a tough one to piece together years back. That said, I think they've done really great job with it so far. The short Dorne-stuff in the various episodes is the only exception.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2015, 09:34:08 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2015, 09:30:13 AM
I don't know if GRRM not directing had something to do with it, but I know that the showrunners said for years that "season 5 gives me nightmares". They knew that this season would be a tough one to piece together years back. That said, I think they've done really great job with it so far. The short Dorne-stuff in the various episodes is the only exception.

Agreed, I also want to see how the rest of this season plays out. I think there is going to be a lot of really awesome stuff coming and that the slow building of this season's storylines will pay off in some way, and some more ways in the next season I would think.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2015, 10:38:05 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 20, 2015, 08:26:32 AM
Could the difference of this season be attributed to the fact that GRRM did not write any episodes for this season?
Not this per se, but I think rather that the problem is that since they have deviated so much from the novels, their own storytelling is all that is left. They are flying without a net.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2015, 10:44:38 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2015, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 20, 2015, 08:26:32 AM
Could the difference of this season be attributed to the fact that GRRM did not write any episodes for this season?
Not this per se, but I think rather that the problem is that since they have deviated so much from the novels, their own storytelling is all that is left. They are flying without a net.

Same thing happened to The Walking Dead when Mazerra took them off source material to tell the Governor story....it was still 'cool' to a point but it was IMO the weakest stretch of episodes the show has had......much like these first (5) episodes of this season of GOT.
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Post by: faizoff on May 20, 2015, 10:46:08 AM: I dunno, I always thought that George Martin was consulted on the major plotlines and the direction of the show for the remaining seasons where there was no published book content. While the deviations exist I'm sure I remember George saying that the show and book will converge with the same end.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 20, 2015, 10:59:17 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 20, 2015, 09:23:53 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 20, 2015, 08:26:32 AM
Could the difference of this season be attributed to the fact that GRRM did not write any episodes for this season?

Maybe, I read everyone's perspective on what seems different about this season and personally the only thing I could personally think of is how there's more POV's covered per episode than any previous season, so things feel a bit more rushed for lack of a better term.

I think you may have nailed it (in part) here. It definitely does feel rushed, and I know I had that feeling but just couldn't put my finger on it. A telling part for me in that last episode was the part with Margaery's mother's visit to King's Landing. While it was nice to see her again, if only for a bit of comic relief, her scenes were almost laughably rushed - I remember turning to my wife to remark how weird it was that a part of her conversation ran on to the next scene where she's sitting with Cersei... it's a perfectly acceptable technique, but its just not GOT style. Rushed. I think that's a huge part of the reason why it just doesn't feel the same this season
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2015, 11:03:23 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 20, 2015, 10:46:08 AM
I dunno, I always thought that George Martin was consulted on the major plotlines and the direction of the show for the remaining seasons where there was no published book content. While the deviations exist I'm sure I remember George saying that the show and book will converge with the same end.

Yup, they did consult and they know the storylines and ending. But they do not have GRRM's actual source material to write their screenplays after and GRRM is not there to help him as he had no involvement with this season. That lead to this:

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2015, 10:38:05 AM
I think rather that the problem is that since they have deviated so much from the novels, their own storytelling is all that is left. They are flying without a net.
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Post by: Chino on May 20, 2015, 11:09:33 AM: Quote from: Jaq on May 19, 2015, 08:54:38 AM
...I'm done with this place.

Goodbye, you clueless, insensitive bastards. Ban me so I won't have the urge to come back here and be sick to my stomach again.

Bye!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 20, 2015, 11:14:16 AM: Well that was unecessary
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 20, 2015, 11:17:37 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 20, 2015, 08:26:32 AM
Could the difference of this season be attributed to the fact that GRRM did not write any episodes for this season?
Well the episodes he wrote tended to be good but he only ever did one episode per season, and I don't think one episode would make the difference. Unless him not writing an episode was indicative of a rift between him and the producers and he wasn't consulting them in general, which is possible, but I don't think that's it.

My guess it is a combination of the fact there are now so many storylines and characters in different locations so that it often feels like very little happens in a single episode (while simultaneously feeling like lots of storylines don't have much time to breathe), the fact that to reduce the storylines they are combining storylines or making up more non-book material which can lead to inconsistencies and some characters feeling more directionless, and just the fact that the source material they have to work with is weaker. I like A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons very much but the things that are good about them are the things that don't translate very well into the TV show, where as the stuff that works well in the TV show is what is lacking in them (which is probably why you often see people arguing they are too long or boring). Compare that with A Storm Of Swords, usually regarded as the best, which contains the subtle and compex world building, foreshadowing and character development which the TV show can't do as well, but also has a ton of plot development and big events, which is the thing that the TV show does well and sometimes even better than the book. Even in condensed form and with original material added, there have been a lot less major events in the first half of this season than in Season 4, where big events occurring compensated somewhat for not spending much time on each story per episode. Jon Snow taking up command at the Wall, Daenerys struggling to rule in Meereen, Cersei plotting against the Tyrells, people travelling to and setting up for events in Winterfell - these are all pretty slow burners, with the biggest events so far not exactly measuring up to the purple wedding early in season 4. Also quite importantly fan favourite Tyrion had a much less compelling plot in travelling through Essos (and despite being two of the wittiest characters, Tyrion and Varys pairing didn't really live up to the hype since they were lacking in things to scheme about). Tyrion's scenes have picked up a bit now that he is paired up with Jorah, especially after episode 5. I'm holding out hope that the last few episodes will be better than the first part of the season, because I think that a lot of the big moments that serve as payoff for this season really are left to the end. Episode 8, 9 and 10 have every right to be crackers.

Also I think it can't be forgotten that the show has lost a few more key characters like Tywin, Joffrey, the Hound. Killing off major characters is great for good episodes and storylines, but it does mean that you lose a lot of great characters and actors that helped make the show what it was, and over time that will add up and may leave the show feeling lacking. Ned Stark, Catelyn Stark, Robb Stark are gone, and while Tywin, Joffrey or the Hound may not be quite as main as them they were some of the things that made the show really entertaining.

Lastly I agree that the Dorne storyline has been bad. I can't really work out how it ended up so poor. The Sand Snakes are cheesy in the book, with their "Each one looks different and uses a different weapon" type thing, but in the show they've combined the cheesiness and each using their own weapon with them all wearing the same outfit and having a really awful introduction scene, so now they are a cheesy team that are barely differentiable, even though their differences are meant to be their gimmick. Thinking about it, I also think budget limitations are showing in the Dorne scenes. The Water Gardens set is excellent, but it seems to be the only location they have. Which is why we have Jaime and Bronn landing on a coastline that looks suspiciously like Ireland, staying on the beach for their fight and travelling since at least it has sand, and of course the unforgettable random tent in a patch of sand where we met the Sand Snakes. That is also probably why the confrontation had to take place in the Water Gardens, which I think contributed to it being so ridiculous (Jaime and the Sand Snakes both being able to sneak in extremely easily, just walking up to Myrcella with no real plan, and breaking into a fight where it will obviously be noticed in a place full of Doran's guards). I wonder if they knew they wanted to include Dorne to capitalise on the popularity of Oberyn, but didn't really have a good idea for the storyline for it and so we ended up with a rush job.

There's a chance that Dorne might also be better in the rest of the season, since it will presumably now be able to focus on dialogue between Jaime, Bronn, the Sand Snakes (their fight scene was awful but two of them had barely had any lines yet so I can't yet judge them too harshly on acting in actual conversations) and of course Doran Martell, who seems well done in his brief scenes. I'm not sure it has any real potential though - for me in the books the best part of Dorne was not really Arianne Martell (who was cut from the show to be kind of replaced by the Sand Snakes), definitely not the Sand Snakes, but Doran himself. But what made him great was that despite appearing weak and passive he had a plan, but the things relating to his plans (Quentyn going to Daenerys, and currently Arriane heading to meet with the invading (f)Aegon) seem to be cut from the show, so I am not sure what he can really do.

Seeing Dorne and also how much of a stretch it is to include all the existing storylines makes me rethink my hope for including the Iron Islands storyline :lol Especially since I'm sure I recall that scenes with ships are some of the most expensive scenes.
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Post by: faizoff on May 20, 2015, 11:26:21 AM: I'll have to dig the link but Martin said he wouldn't be writing any episode on season 5 or 6 to concentrate on finishing the next book. He said writing an episode takes him a month or so to write and diverts his attention to finishing the book.

Here's the link
https://watchersonthewall.com/george-r-r-martin-not-writing-a-script-for-season-6-dornish-cast-interviewed/
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Post by: BlackInk on May 20, 2015, 12:48:41 PM: I don't think they wrote the Dorne stuff this season based on the popularity of Oberyn, since they write the next season at the same time as shooting the current one. So by the time we all saw and grew to like Oberyn, I'm pretty sure most of season 5 was already written.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2015, 01:06:49 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 20, 2015, 12:48:41 PM
I don't think they wrote the Dorne stuff this season based on the popularity of Oberyn, since they write the next season at the same time as shooting the current one. So by the time we all saw and grew to like Oberyn, I'm pretty sure most of season 5 was already written.

I agree. Dorne clearly is has a role large enough to be in the show. I think sending Jaime there is for the viewers to have someone they recognize interact with all the new characters since that is not what happens in the books.
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Post by: FracturedMirror on May 20, 2015, 03:07:55 PM: Wow. I'm really surprised by the amount of backlash over the Sansa scene. I don't get it. Law and Order SVU is nothing but constant stories about rape and child molestation and it's never gotten the amount of hate this one episode of GoT has.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 20, 2015, 03:43:10 PM: Because literally nobody watches those shows :lol
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Post by: Dark Castle on May 20, 2015, 04:14:42 PM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 20, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
Because literally nobody watches those shows :lol
Speak for yourself, Law and Order is the slamma jam.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 20, 2015, 10:09:09 PM: I find the producers intent on finishing GoT by season 7 unrealistic or at least promises more rush in events, here are some plot lines that most of us know to be of major importance and some I personally got the impression from watchingt hey will/should be revisited and were abandoned/put on hold:

1- Bran Stark and the man who told him he'll fly.
2- Rickon Stark and Osha, forgot where they were heading.
3- The White Walkers impending attack on Westeros.
4- The Iron Islands and the Grejoys still being in an open rebellion.
5- Brynden Tully (Blackfish), escaped the Red Wedding and nothing about him since.
6- Edmure Tully, assuming he's still a prisoner of Walder Fray since his wedding night.
7- Benjen Stark, missing behind the Wall.
8- Gendry, last time seen escaping from Dragonstone?
9- Beric Dondarrion and the Brotherhood without banners, nothing after Arya left them.

I think it would be non-satisfactory to wrap most of these up in 24 more episodes, in addition to the current active plot lines that we're currently watching, I might have even forgotten to add something to that list.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 21, 2015, 12:20:10 AM: I think that pretty much covers it. And I agree. Which is why I was hoping that the end of season 4 would be the half-way mark, and to have the show run for 8 seasons. That would make me happy.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2015, 05:56:22 AM: I dont think it's impossible to cover all those in two more seasons, but that also depends on what new storylines are added after this season since no one will have a single clue anymore as to what the future holds for the story.

Some of those points can be lumped together in terms of resolution.

It seems likely that whatever happens with the white walkers could bring resolve to what happened to Benjen Stark and its possible that Bran plays a role in this (since all of this is beyond the wall).

I believe it is very possible that the Blackfish after escaping the Red Wedding has ended up with the Brotherhood without Banners. But it's also possible that they were cut for anything in the future since another character has been cut from the show. This could also tie into Edmure in a way since all this is in the riverlands.

The show HAS to show what happens to the Greyjoys and I think it's possible that we see something with them at the end of this season (sort of like how Season 3 ended), but definitely something needs to happen with them next season the latest (and I am not talking about the characters who aren't in the show).

But a couple points that you didnt have:

Dany needs to invade westeros!
Whatever happens in Dorne will need to be resolved. I don't expect a resolution to that arc this season.
Something needs to happen with regards to Gods and magic. Lord of Light vs. The Old Gods vs. The Seven (New Gods) vs. Magic and now The Faith Militant. It's too big a part of the story to not have some sort of resolution, but this may tie into the White Walkers and Dragons as well.
Varys vs. Littlefinger - One or both need to die IMO.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 21, 2015, 07:58:13 AM: I was thinking a nice round 10 seasons would be sufficient if all these threads were to find resolutions with the same power in storytelling they started in, but maybe that's too ambitious.

Quote from: cramx3 on May 21, 2015, 05:56:22 AM
But a couple points that you didnt have:
Dany needs to invade westeros!
Whatever happens in Dorne will need to be resolved. I don't expect a resolution to that arc this season.
Something needs to happen with regards to Gods and magic. Lord of Light vs. The Old Gods vs. The Seven (New Gods) vs. Magic and now The Faith Militant. It's too big a part of the story to not have some sort of resolution, but this may tie into the White Walkers and Dragons as well.
Varys vs. Littlefinger - One or both need to die IMO.

Yep, these are among the current/actively progressing ones. And I totally agree about the Gods and magic point, I would love to see a resolution on that.
Personally I don't want Daenerys to succeed, I'd be more for Stannis being king than her but it's probably not gonna work out that way.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2015, 09:54:00 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 21, 2015, 07:58:13 AM
Yep, these are among the current/actively progressing ones. And I totally agree about the Gods and magic point, I would love to see a resolution on that.
Personally I don't want Daenerys to succeed, I'd be more for Stannis being king than her but it's probably not gonna work out that way.

The show has thrown a few hints this season about Daenerys going mad like her father. If she goes that route she could become a "bad guy" and maybe she won't win the iron throne. I see that more likely than Stannis winning.
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Post by: Zydar on May 21, 2015, 11:11:15 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/keNjZdy.jpg)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 21, 2015, 11:23:33 AM: Indeed.
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Post by: Evermind on May 21, 2015, 11:26:41 AM: Well, there's also that:

Quote from: GRRM
I have sometimes allowed other writers to play with my children. In Wild Cards, for instance, which is a shared world. Lohengrin, Hoodoo Mama, Popinjay, the Turtle, and all my other WC creations have been written by other writers, and I have written their characters. But I submit, this is NOT at all the same thing. A shared world is a tightly controlled environment. In the case of Wild Cards, it's controlled by me. I decide who gets to borrow my creations, and I review their stories, and approve or disapproval what is done with them. "No, Popinjay would say it this way," I say, or "Sorry, the Turtle would never do that," or, more importantly (this has never come up in Wild Cards, but it did in some other shared worlds), "No, absolutely not, your character may not rape my character, I don't give a fuck how powerful you think it would be."

And that:

Quote from: GRRM
No one gets to abuse the people of Westeros but me.

Both from his blog.
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Post by: faizoff on May 21, 2015, 12:10:40 PM: Just finished the chapter of the Red Wedding from the 3rd book. Even though it's a bit different from the show, it was still so intense. I can't imagine the feeling reading that chapter for the first time. When I first saw it on TV I was at the time in a weird dazed mood and had no idea what was coming until the first arrow was flung. I still get so tense everytime I watch that episode and reading that chapter in the book gave me the same feeling.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2015, 12:22:29 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 21, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
Just finished the chapter of the Red Wedding from the 3rd book. Even though it's a bit different from the show, it was still so intense. I can't imagine the feeling reading that chapter for the first time. When I first saw it on TV I was at the time in a weird dazed mood and had no idea what was coming until the first arrow was flung. I still get so tense everytime I watch that episode and reading that chapter in the book gave me the same feeling.

I was reading that chapter outside my work office at the time cause I got there early. I ended up being late and wanting to throw my book across the street.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 21, 2015, 12:49:37 PM: I haven't gotten there in the books yet so the first time I saw it was on the show, my wife had talked me into watching the show before season 4 started and I binged the first 3 seasons with her. As the wedding scene progressed I was still clueless until I noticed my wife was watching me, not the TV, which instantly clued me that some major shit was about to go down :lol
I was sad Robb was gone but then I was glad his mom died heh
I'm also glad they didn't zoom in on Robb's body being sewn to his dire wolf's head or have a close up of what that looked like.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2015, 03:30:25 PM: Quote from: FracturedMirror on May 20, 2015, 03:07:55 PM
Wow. I'm really surprised by the amount of backlash over the Sansa scene. I don't get it. Law and Order SVU is nothing but constant stories about rape and child molestation and it's never gotten the amount of hate this one episode of GoT has.

Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 20, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
Because literally nobody watches those shows :lol

I am pretty sure a lot of people watch SVU, otherwise it wouldn't be finishing up its 16th season. :lol indeed.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 21, 2015, 07:05:53 PM: :lol Indeed :lol

Forgive me for hurting your SVU's, I assumed (hoped maybe) that the show had died in the wake of the crime scene oversaturation.
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Post by: Podaar on May 22, 2015, 09:49:41 AM: Game of Thrones the Musical (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs7xO5P3Az4)
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Post by: BlackInk on May 22, 2015, 09:53:07 AM: That was amazing :lol
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Post by: Podaar on May 22, 2015, 09:57:35 AM: Rastafarian Targaryen was my favorite. :lol
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Post by: faizoff on May 22, 2015, 10:42:29 AM: About 15 chapters left to complete the Storm of swords book and I'm wondering if I should wait to finish the other two. I rather enjoy the surprises, twists and turn of events as they unfold on the show and not knowing anything of whats to come. I know the material is running out as less and less of the book is left and much has been changed for the show, still the interchanged plots can make some of the surprises less... surprising. I'd rather not know anything about an event while watching the show. I might wait for this season to end before reading the 4th book.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 22, 2015, 11:03:07 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 22, 2015, 10:42:29 AM
About 15 chapters left to complete the Storm of swords book and I'm wondering if I should wait to finish the other two. I rather enjoy the surprises, twists and turn of events as they unfold on the show and not knowing anything of whats to come. I know the material is running out as less and less of the book is left and much has been changed for the show, still the interchanged plots can make some of the surprises less... surprising. I'd rather not know anything about an event while watching the show. I might wait for this season to end before reading the 4th book.
If you enjoy the surprises of the show then I definitely think it'd be worth waiting and seeing season 5 first. Although depending on your pace of reading, even if you start A Feast For Crows it will be a long time before you get to anything plot relevant to the show :lol

Also I'd dare say that more is gained from not knowing what's coming in the show than in the books, especially books 4 and 5. I got more enjoyment out of AFFC and ADWD when reading again more closely for all the hidden gems than when I was trying to get through them to find out what happens next.
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Post by: Evermind on May 22, 2015, 01:13:28 PM: Quote from: Podaar on May 22, 2015, 09:49:41 AM
Game of Thrones the Musical (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs7xO5P3Az4)

Really enjoyed this one, especially Tyrion's and Dany's songs, as well as Alfie - Iwan meeting scene. :lol The whole thing was hilarious actually.
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Post by: Podaar on May 22, 2015, 01:27:03 PM: "One tiny thing, on the -lings. Be careful...you're going a little flat"
"No, 'e wasn't."
;)
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Post by: Tyrias on May 22, 2015, 02:11:21 PM: Oh my god, I'm laughing so hard I'm in tears :rollin.
This is absolutely brilliant (and most certainly the best thing Colplay has made ::))
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Post by: FracturedMirror on May 22, 2015, 02:17:00 PM: I love the musical. They had longer cuts of the songs in the preview clips though, like this one with Dinklage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URvDyzh8uI
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Post by: FracturedMirror on May 22, 2015, 02:19:48 PM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 21, 2015, 07:05:53 PM
:lol Indeed :lol

Forgive me for hurting your SVU's, I assumed (hoped maybe) that the show had died in the wake of the crime scene oversaturation.

Law and Order's are like a hydra. You kill one show, two more grow in its place.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2015, 03:35:59 PM: Just started watching the show. Absolutely love it.

Finished season 1 yesterday. :metal
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Post by: Progmetty on May 22, 2015, 03:41:36 PM: Great! but you better stay out of this thread cause you're gonna get bukkaked with spoilers.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 22, 2015, 03:46:40 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2015, 03:35:59 PM
Just started watching the show. Absolutely love it.

Finished season 1 yesterday. :metal
:tup You are in for a treat, being able to watch things at once rather than week by week is so much better (especially Game of Thrones, with so many different characters and storylines). I first got season 1 on blu-ray, with season 2 released on blu-ray a couple of months later. Unfortunately from season 3 onwards I have had to watch week by week like a chump just to avoid spoilers :lol
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Post by: faizoff on May 22, 2015, 05:57:14 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2015, 03:35:59 PM
Just started watching the show. Absolutely love it.

Finished season 1 yesterday. :metal
You're in for a treat my friend, it only gets better and better.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2015, 08:12:14 PM: Peter dinklage :hefdaddy

Turning an amazing show into an extraordinary one :heart
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Post by: faizoff on May 22, 2015, 08:57:39 PM: Wow that musical was hilarious!
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Post by: Implode on May 23, 2015, 08:09:12 PM: Just caught up today. Wowee.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2015, 10:08:59 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 22, 2015, 08:57:39 PM
Wow that musical was hilarious!

Yea, it was really cool how they not only got a lot of the actors from the show on board, but how they also all spoke in their show accents! The spot between Ramsay and Theon (GOT names) when they first saw each other was great!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 24, 2015, 08:21:44 AM: Quote from: Podaar on May 22, 2015, 09:49:41 AM
Game of Thrones the Musical (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs7xO5P3Az4)

Finally took the time to watch this....that was great! Funny stuff.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 24, 2015, 08:01:19 PM: The end of this episode made me so happy.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2015, 09:06:11 PM: The entire episode made me happy. I thought it was the best of the season.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 24, 2015, 10:09:47 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
The entire episode made me happy. I thought it was the best of the season.

I'm with you on that. I'll take a few more of those. I really hope that Danny takes that advice and just slaughters them all at the main event.....she's got to start getting ruthless at some point.

Bummed to see that Ghost isn't with Jon though....I know he saved Gilly's butt and all but I'd prefer him to be with Jon.

The 'bomb' we all expected to be dropped on Stannis finally hit.....sacrifice your daughter for certain victory....man what a pickle to be in :lol

Friggin' Sansa can't catch a break! Theon double crosses her....Ramsay finds out the whole plan....I mean, C'mon....it's brutal!
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Post by: faizoff on May 24, 2015, 10:53:13 PM: Agreed fucking fantastic episode possibly the best so far. That episode gave me chills. Just 3 more to go!
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Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2015, 02:53:49 AM: Yeah, great episode. "My name is Tyrion Lannister" was epic, one of the moments of the show we have been waiting for for almost 5 seasons now.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 25, 2015, 05:25:57 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 24, 2015, 08:01:19 PM
The end of this episode made me so happy.

My wife and I high fived. Fina-fucking-ly.

Great ep. hopefully things just get better from here on out.
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Post by: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 07:04:33 AM: Sam finally gets laid. BOW CHICKA BOW WOW.. I am always pleased with the acting on the show particularly the younger kids, I mean the guy playing Tommen was so good. I think all the actors on this show, every single one of them completely embody the character they're playing. The sand sisters are probably the weakest of the bunch but I wouldn't call them terrible acting just not as good as the rest. The chemistry some of the actors have together is fantastic as well. I mean the pairing of Arya with the Hound, Brienne and Podrik, Sam with Gili have all been absolutely fantastic I think. It seems almost flawless at times.

Also anyone else think that Bronn was fainting/dying due to some vaginal discharges/fumes the sand sister was emanating lol? I mean the way the camera was following her down and then cut to Bronn's vision blurring. haha.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2015, 08:38:03 AM: I thought the sand snakes were really good this week. This was pretty much the first time we got any sense of any of them actually having some personality. Tyene is way ahead of her sisters in terms of character development after this week's episode. And I don't just mean the 'her getting naked' bit, but just that she actually showed some personality, in addition to a great body.

Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
Also anyone else think that Bronn was fainting/dying due to some vaginal discharges/fumes the sand sister was emanating lol? I mean the way the camera was following her down and then cut to Bronn's vision blurring. haha.

Well, not really, but still, yeah kinda :lol But I thought that was well done. Something was suddenly happening to Bronn and you had no idea what, yet the sand snakes seemed perfectly aware. That was a cool moment, and well and subtly set up by Tyene asking him how his arm was feeling before that.
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Post by: Tanatra on May 25, 2015, 10:12:34 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
Also anyone else think that Bronn was fainting/dying due to some vaginal discharges/fumes the sand sister was emanating lol? I mean the way the camera was following her down and then cut to Bronn's vision blurring. haha.

I was really expecting the antidote to be an instant-death potion and that Bronn would die in that scene. Bronn seems to be the one likable character that both the show & the books are unwilling to kill.

I'm also convinced now that merely auditioning as a female character on this show involves nudity. :lol
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Post by: Evermind on May 25, 2015, 10:57:19 AM: Yeah, this episode was much better than last week, I think.
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Post by: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 01:09:13 PM: Anyone else beside me watch/listen to the opening theme/credits during every single episode?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2015, 01:28:07 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
Anyone else beside me watch/listen to the opening theme/credits during every single episode?

Yes, how could you not? I always like seeing when new cities are shown.

I agree with most here, best episode of the season. I really liked how we got to see the Queen of Thorns and Littlefinger talk over the destruction and dead bodies of LF's brothel. Hw they mentioned they worked together to kill a King and whatnot. In fact, everything in King's Landing was very well done including the High Sparrow. The show paints a picture in King's Landing with so many bad people and yet the only one I can find who seems like they are good (Tommen) is completely incapable of doing anything. His lash out was great and Cersei is such a terrible person! Makes for great TV and drama :tup
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Post by: Fiery Winds on May 25, 2015, 01:31:30 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
Also anyone else think that Bronn was fainting/dying due to some vaginal discharges/fumes the sand sister was emanating lol? I mean the way the camera was following her down and then cut to Bronn's vision blurring. haha.

I figured that she exposed herself in order to elevate Bronn's heart rate to give him a potent dose of the poison that was slowly working its way through his veins.
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Post by: Chino on May 25, 2015, 01:54:17 PM: I just watched that rape scene with my girlfriend. I can't believe the internet turned into such a shitstorm over that! They didn't even show anything.
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Post by: Dark Castle on May 25, 2015, 03:06:45 PM: Probably my least favorite episode of the season. Everything was just really smarmy and annoying except for the end of the episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2015, 03:38:06 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
Anyone else beside me watch/listen to the opening theme/credits during every single episode?
I might not, but I turn on HBO at 9 pm and there it is. Every single time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Implode on May 25, 2015, 06:18:11 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 25, 2015, 01:54:17 PM
I just watched that rape scene with my girlfriend. I can't believe the internet turned into such a shitstorm over that! They didn't even show anything.

It wasn't the graphical nature of the rape that was questionable. It was the choice of the writers include it in the show at all when they wrote out the character that it was originally supposed to happen to. The way I understand it, people think the writers are taking an easy way out by thinking they can just create more tension with more rape to a character that didn't need to be raped necessarily.

While my reaction isn't as extreme as many others, I understand their criticisms. Clearly in the world of the show, it's being tied together decently and it makes sense. It's mostly book readers that have been up in arms from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 25, 2015, 07:00:20 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
Anyone else beside me watch/listen to the opening theme/credits during every single episode?

I do. Every week. I look forward to it....it's such a neat song and the opening sequence is killer. BTW....I'm assuming that song was written specifically for the show...correct?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 07:16:06 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 25, 2015, 07:00:20 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
Anyone else beside me watch/listen to the opening theme/credits during every single episode?

I do. Every week. I look forward to it....it's such a neat song and the opening sequence is killer. BTW....I'm assuming that song was written specifically for the show...correct?
Yup most definitely. I have the soundtracks as well, some great stuff on there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2015, 08:34:25 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 07:16:06 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 25, 2015, 07:00:20 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
Anyone else beside me watch/listen to the opening theme/credits during every single episode?

I do. Every week. I look forward to it....it's such a neat song and the opening sequence is killer. BTW....I'm assuming that song was written specifically for the show...correct?
Yup most definitely. I have the soundtracks as well, some great stuff on there.

When my best friend got married, he only had one request when his wife was planning everything... when he walks down the aisle he wanted a violinist playing the GOT theme song, and it happened and it was AWESOME.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 25, 2015, 09:02:26 PM: The violinist should've stopped playing halfway through and started up The Rains Of Castamere.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 26, 2015, 12:02:50 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 25, 2015, 09:02:26 PM
The violinist should've stopped playing halfway through and started up The Rains Of Castamere.
:lol I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 26, 2015, 05:12:08 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 25, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
Also anyone else think that Bronn was fainting/dying due to some vaginal discharges/fumes the sand sister was emanating lol? I mean the way the camera was following her down and then cut to Bronn's vision blurring. haha.

:lol "No. NO. NOT THE FANNY GAS!"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 26, 2015, 05:29:04 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
The entire episode made me happy. I thought it was the best of the season.

Agreed. I was ecstatic when Tyrion came out and introduced himself to Daenerys and also when Cersei was captured. They were definitely two of the best scenes of the show so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 26, 2015, 12:14:46 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 24, 2015, 08:01:19 PM
The end of this episode made me so happy.
Was about to post the same thing! :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 26, 2015, 01:30:55 PM: I like to watch the intro, but I actively avoid the 'previously on' stuff because I don't want to know which stories will be featured or what points will be addressed. I usually skip past that, which usually means I miss bits of the opening credits.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 26, 2015, 01:55:08 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2015, 01:30:55 PM
I like to watch the intro, but I actively avoid the 'previously on' stuff because I don't want to know which stories will be featured or what points will be addressed. I usually skip past that, which usually means I miss bits of the opening credits.
That's what I do too, I don't want to know what characters are going to be focused on during the episode. It's a bit too much as my wife would say as I don't watch any previews either but that seems to bring out the most enjoyment out of these episodes for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2015, 02:48:25 PM: Im the opposite, I love the previously on because I like to see what is going to be coming up. Last week showed LF and QOT so you knew that the episode was going to feature something with the both of them. I guess it's spoiler but being that I am about to watch it and it doesnt spoil as to what happens, I don't mind.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 26, 2015, 09:08:57 PM: I need the 'previously on' section because as I mentioned somewhere in this thread I get confused easy with this show as far as characters and what not....just too much going on....I need the refresher.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2015, 11:10:22 AM: Some major spoilers in the link about casting news for season 6

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/27/game-of-thrones-spoilers-season-6_n_7444072.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/27/game-of-thrones-spoilers-season-6_n_7444072.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)

If that is all true, that is great news for book readers!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 27, 2015, 11:16:08 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 27, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
Some major spoilers in the link about casting news for season 6

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/27/game-of-thrones-spoilers-season-6_n_7444072.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/27/game-of-thrones-spoilers-season-6_n_7444072.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)

If that is all true, that is great news for book readers!
I agree. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 27, 2015, 11:25:01 AM: I've read this article and I'm not kind of baffled with the whole Balon Greyjoy thing. So Melisandre used three leeches and he's apparently not dead yet, even though Robb and Joff died. While that's alright and there certainly may be some reasons behind it, I'm wondering why Stannis hasn't called Mel out on this during their scene in this episode? She said something along the lines "You saw how it works, Robb Stark died, Joffrey died", and Stannis didn't even object that Balon is kind of still alive.

I realise there are still three episodes left and Balon still has enough time to die, but I would gess such a grammar nazi and pedantic man as Stannis would certainly notice such a thing instantly. Even the books had that "I can count. Two isn't three" part.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 27, 2015, 12:00:11 PM: So after finishing the epilogue of book 3 I'm wondering if I should've read that part. I stopped and thought I know they haven't done this on the show yet but if it does happen on the show then man it wouldn't be as powerful as watching it for the first time not knowing what was to happen. Dang it. I'm not reading the last two books until the show is done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 12:02:49 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 27, 2015, 12:00:11 PM
So after finishing the epilogue of book 3 I'm wondering if I should've read that part. I stopped and thought I know they haven't done this on the show yet but if it does happen on the show then man it wouldn't be as powerful as watching it for the first time not knowing what was to happen. Dang it. I'm not reading the last two books until the show is done.

I thought the same. But I don't think they'll do that bit at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 27, 2015, 12:35:14 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 27, 2015, 12:00:11 PM
So after finishing the epilogue of book 3 I'm wondering if I should've read that part. I stopped and thought I know they haven't done this on the show yet but if it does happen on the show then man it wouldn't be as powerful as watching it for the first time not knowing what was to happen. Dang it. I'm not reading the last two books until the show is done.

I thought the same. But I don't think they'll do that bit at all.

I agree. I think they'll cut that part.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 27, 2015, 12:55:15 PM: Why do you both say that? If the answer involves something from book 4 & 5 then I don't want to know.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 27, 2015, 01:10:50 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 27, 2015, 12:55:15 PM
Why do you both say that? If the answer involves something from book 4 & 5 then I don't want to know.

No, nothing from next books for me. I just think it would be too anticlimactic. I'll write the next part in small text. There are no spoilers from books 4 and 5, but there are major spoilers from book 3 about some events that haven't happened in the show yet. If you haven't read the books and want to be unspoilered, don't read please.

I mean, Red Wedding was back in Season 3. In my opinion, why the epilogue of A Storm of Swords worked, is because Catelyn died in this very book, and while her being resurrected was quite a shocker, it kind of wrapped up her storyline for this book in very unusual manner, but it just felt right, even though the readers all were "WTF" at the moment. It was a great way to end the book, especially since Red Wedding was somewhere in the middle of the book 3.

On the show, the writers went with the "Episode 9 is a big one" strategy, stretching the Northern-Riverlands storyline a bit to get the Red Wedding in the ninth episode. It worked alright, but to introduce Lady Stoneheart in the end of episode 10 would be too cheap — the show watchers are still not over the devastating event Red Wedding is, and Catelyn being resurrected would certainly lessen the impact considerably. So the logical decision was to introduce her in Season 4 ending, where we basically wrap up A Storm of Swords and move to the next books material. However, this event was nowhere to be found too. Now we've got to Season 5, with Dorne added to the storyline, lots of plotlines being separated and none of them takes place in Riverlands where Lady Stoneheart was (I mean, even Blackfish is still urinating in the show, he wasn't found after Red Wedding for nearly two seasons now), and there are no news or signs of Lady Stoneheart appearing — which is only logical, since they've got a lot of stuff to wrap up in those three episodes left.

And that leaves us with following seasons. My point is, the impact of Catelyn resurrection was huge because of where it was placed in the books. ASOS was so full of events I guess most readers couldn't put the book away and just read on from the Red Wedding, through Oberyn's untimely death to the Tyrion - Tywin showdown, and when they've got to this epilogue, almost completely unrelated to the events happening in the last chapter, it was a big WTF yet it was a big "fuck yeah" too. Either way, that was a great, impactful event, and even a few months since the Red Wedding passed, it was still fresh in readers' minds and all that.

However, now that two seasons on the show have passed, and the next one is a year away, making it basically three years from Red Wedding, I just don't think the Lady Stoneheart appearance will have the intended impact at all. Yeah, it would produce some of the WTF reaction for sure, but as of now I think it would seem as some kind of a cheap plot device, or a retcon, or whatever — and that's certainly not a good thing. In my opinion, the writers missed their chance to introduce LS back in the game, and to do it now would be a mistake, which is my I hope and think they won't do it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 27, 2015, 01:41:25 PM: Hmm true I suppose. I dunno, I can imagine a few scenarios where they could work it in. Either as a standalone scene to end the character arc or even somewhere in the final season to let viewers see the next phase of that character. I'm personally glad if it never comes back to the show. I would think it works better for the show.

I should add that the reason I mainly choose to read the books after watching the show is to really dig deep into the history and depth of the characters. The surprise reveals for me work better when watching it on screen and seeing it for the first time. I think I would never have been that shocked when watching the red wedding if I had already read about it. Or any event for that matter. I mean it would still be intense but wont have the same surprise effect. I started watching the show around season 3 so I was still getting used to the whole world of GOT and the names of everyone then BOOM! that episode hit me like a ton of bricks. As did pretty much all of the events on the show.
Which is why I think I'll put the books down for now and continue reading them after the show is done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 01:49:58 PM: I was so sure that scene would come at the end of the season 4 finale. After it went to black with Arya on the ship to Braavos, it kept at black for soo long, and I was all like "here it coomes, here it cooooomes...", but then it didn't. I agree with Evermind, if they haven't done it by now, it's probably too late.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 27, 2015, 01:51:22 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 01:49:58 PM
I was so sure that scene would come at the end of the season 4 finale. After it went to black with Arya on the ship to Braavos, it kept at black for soo long, and I was all like "here it coomes, here it cooooomes...", but then it didn't.

Yeah, that was exactly my reaction to S4 finale too. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2015, 04:53:20 PM: I dont know, I kind of disagree with you guys.

If the show runners are going to go with some of the storylines that were initially thought as cut, Greyjoys, then there is no reason to think Stoneheart couldn't come back. It's also possible that Jaime finishes in Dorne this season and he continues his book story by going to the Riverlands. Which would make more sense in terms of bringing Gendry back, Brotherhood without Banners, and then Stoneheart as well to all tie along with how the book went, and somehow adding Brienne and Pod back into that as well. Also bringing back the Freys, Edmure, and Blackfish. I think its entirely possible and would still be a huge shock to show watchers because so much time would have passed. Now that I think about it, that could be an awesome season arc for next season, the Riverlands and the unresolved issues there. Who knows though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 27, 2015, 09:38:27 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 01:49:58 PM
I was so sure that scene would come at the end of the season 4 finale. After it went to black with Arya on the ship to Braavos, it kept at black for soo long, and I was all like "here it coomes, here it cooooomes...", but then it didn't. I agree with Evermind, if they haven't done it by now, it's probably too late.

Can you 'small font' a non book reader on what you are talking about? I don't mind if it's a spoiler or whatever....but im super curious..... :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 27, 2015, 10:37:02 PM: In fact, I wish they never did this Dorne arc, which has been underwhelming so far to put it mildly, and continued the Riverlands arc in S5 instead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 27, 2015, 10:52:45 PM: In the books https://youtu.be/snm6qnezv0Q (https://youtu.be/snm6qnezv0Q)
(contains only show contents, as well as some tittie shots)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 10:59:54 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 27, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 01:49:58 PM
I was so sure that scene would come at the end of the season 4 finale. After it went to black with Arya on the ship to Braavos, it kept at black for soo long, and I was all like "here it coomes, here it cooooomes...", but then it didn't. I agree with Evermind, if they haven't done it by now, it's probably too late.

Can you 'small font' a non book reader on what you are talking about? I don't mind if it's a spoiler or whatever....but im super curious..... :tup

MEGA SPOILERS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS:

The epilogue of the third book has some family members of Walder Frey (the guy who made the Red Wedding happen) riding to a prisoner exchange. They meet the brotherhood without banners and find that they have hanged their prisoner. Among the brotherhood is a hooded lady. They hang the Frey guy as the lady removes her hood and it's Catelyn Stark, brough back to life by Thoros of Myr. Since her throat was cut at the red wedding, she doesn't speak. And she was deep scars beneath her eyes from where she clawed at herself (that didn't happen on the show). The last thing we read (I think) is that the Frey guy could see the hate in her eyes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 28, 2015, 09:45:26 AM: I should probably ask this question after season 5 ends, so without mentioning specifically or any spoilers, how much of book 4 & 5 would you say has been covered so far in the series? I've read up to book 3 so I know what all of book 3 has been covered/not covered. When I ask how much, you could say in terms of percentage or number of major events/chapters whatever metric is best.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2015, 09:53:17 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 28, 2015, 09:45:26 AM
I should probably ask this question after season 5 ends, so without mentioning specifically or any spoilers, how much of book 4 & 5 would you say has been covered so far in the series? I've read up to book 3 so I know what all of book 3 has been covered/not covered. When I ask how much, you could say in terms of percentage or number of major events/chapters whatever metric is best.

I will say a good amount, hard to determine since at the moment they seemed to have cut a lot of the major POV characters from the books which is at least half of book 4, so if you don't count that then they have already covered most of books 4 and 5 at this point and should be fully covered by the end of the season it seems although there are lots of differences.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2015, 10:01:36 AM: Yeah, more or less.

Which means that season six will be uncharted territory, although, as reported, we may wind up getting at least some stuff that was previously skipped.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 28, 2015, 10:13:41 AM: Ratings for the previous episode were frightningly low. Far lower than any season 4 episode, and only barely higher than season 3's highest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 28, 2015, 10:16:12 AM: Well it was shown on memorial day which they haven't broadcast the previous 2 seasons. I also don't know how much they account for the traffic that's going to HBONow because that's what I use to watch the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2015, 10:18:23 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2015, 10:01:36 AM
Yeah, more or less.

Which means that season six will be uncharted territory, although, as reported, we may wind up getting at least some stuff that was previously skipped.

Yup, with all the changes there is already a lot of uncharted territory too including next episode Hardhome, that should be fun!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 28, 2015, 10:41:35 AM: Yeah, I think it's kind of early to draw any conclusions from ratings drop. Blackwater was aired at Memorial Day too, and while people consider it one of the best episodes of the series, it suffered a ratings drop too. I think ratings will grow again for the next episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 28, 2015, 11:02:58 AM: This article mentions at the end that the streaming viewership for HBO is rising though they don't have exact numbers
https://www.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-season-5-ratings-2015-5
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 28, 2015, 05:31:26 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 27, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 01:49:58 PM
I was so sure that scene would come at the end of the season 4 finale. After it went to black with Arya on the ship to Braavos, it kept at black for soo long, and I was all like "here it coomes, here it cooooomes...", but then it didn't. I agree with Evermind, if they haven't done it by now, it's probably too late.

Can you 'small font' a non book reader on what you are talking about? I don't mind if it's a spoiler or whatever....but im super curious..... :tup

MEGA SPOILERS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS:

The epilogue of the third book has some family members of Walder Frey (the guy who made the Red Wedding happen) riding to a prisoner exchange. They meet the brotherhood without banners and find that they have hanged their prisoner. Among the brotherhood is a hooded lady. They hang the Frey guy as the lady removes her hood and it's Catelyn Stark, brough back to life by Thoros of Myr. Since her throat was cut at the red wedding, she doesn't speak. And she was deep scars beneath her eyes from where she clawed at herself (that didn't happen on the show). The last thing we read (I think) is that the Frey guy could see the hate in her eyes.

Cool! Thanks for the synopsis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2015, 05:58:03 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 28, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
Yeah, I think it's kind of early to draw any conclusions from ratings drop. Blackwater was aired at Memorial Day too, and while people consider it one of the best episodes of the series, it suffered a ratings drop too. I think ratings will grow again for the next episode.

Memorial day was a huge reason for low ratings and you are correct about Blackwater being a great example, however, I will add that this season has so far been the worst of the show and I can't help but think that has an effect too, although this week's episode was the best so far this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 28, 2015, 07:04:40 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 28, 2015, 10:13:41 AM
Ratings for the previous episode were frightningly low. Far lower than any season 4 episode, and only barely higher than season 3's highest.

With a show like GOT I do not think ratings matter at all, especially since it's on HBO. It's not like they're going to cancel it or anything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 29, 2015, 06:31:06 AM: Just got totally caught up. Had me pretty much on the edge of my seat and bowing down to its brilliance all the way up to tywin's death. He was probably my favorite character.

So many of the characters I found fascinating are dead, but that's part of the show.

At this point it feels like its losing a little bit of its steam. But I'll still be watching regularly
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 08:08:46 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 29, 2015, 06:31:06 AM
Just got totally caught up. Had me pretty much on the edge of my seat and bowing down to its brilliance all the way up to tywin's death. He was probably my favorite character.

So many of the characters I found fascinating are dead, but that's part of the show.

At this point it feels like its losing a little bit of its steam. But I'll still be watching regularly

As much as I hate the Lannisters, the actors are the best. Tywin and Joffrey were great on the show and as much as you dislike them, I was upset to see them die just because we wouldn't get to see those actors play those roles anymore. That's an amazing testament to the show IMO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 29, 2015, 08:18:25 AM: I think the casting has been spot on for pretty much all of the cast, everyone embodies their character ever so perfectly. Some of the kid actors have been just flat out amazing. Listening to the commentaries of the first season, the girl who play Arya is actually right handed and learned how to use the sword with her left hand as Arya in the books is supposed to be left handed. Another highlight for me is in season 3 when Rickon and Bran part ways, the kid playing Rickon just steals the scene with the goodbye.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 08:25:44 AM: Yup, I agree about the children... and so HBO released the title of the 10th episode, episode name in spoiler below and some book talk as well:

Mother's Mercy... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart) Is it possible we get Lady Stoneheart? It would make for a great cliffhanger that could lead to a Riverlands storyline next season? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up after not seeing that in the season 4 finale.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 29, 2015, 08:38:33 AM: The children actors are really on a whole different level. Just shows that child actors can bring a lot to the table, with the right casting and directing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 29, 2015, 08:55:09 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 08:25:44 AM
Yup, I agree about the children... and so HBO released the title of the 10th episode, episode name in spoiler below and some book talk as well:

Mother's Mercy... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart) Is it possible we get Lady Stoneheart? It would make for a great cliffhanger that could lead to a Riverlands storyline next season? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up after not seeing that in the season 4 finale.

Don't read the spoilers below if you haven't finished A Storm of Swords.

Well, one of Lady Stoneheart alliases was Mother Merciless, so I guess it's possible... but it seems the writers are often trolling us with the titles. Previous episode was named "The Gift", I expected either Arya delivering the gift of death to someone, or maybe Jon offering The Gift (lands south of the Wall) to wildlings, and look at what we've got instead.

And don't even get me started at that "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" title.

Regarding the casting: yeah, I agree, it's been mostly spot on from S1.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 10:14:00 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 29, 2015, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 08:25:44 AM
Yup, I agree about the children... and so HBO released the title of the 10th episode, episode name in spoiler below and some book talk as well:

Mother's Mercy... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart) Is it possible we get Lady Stoneheart? It would make for a great cliffhanger that could lead to a Riverlands storyline next season? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up after not seeing that in the season 4 finale.

Don't read the spoilers below if you haven't finished A Storm of Swords.

Well, one of Lady Stoneheart alliases was Mother Merciless, so I guess it's possible... but it seems the writers are often trolling us with the titles. Previous episode was named "The Gift", I expected either Arya delivering the gift of death to someone, or maybe Jon offering The Gift (lands south of the Wall) to wildlings, and look at what we've got instead.

And don't even get me started at that "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" title.

Regarding the casting: yeah, I agree, it's been mostly spot on from S1.

lol you are correct about the writers trolling the book readers
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Post by: faizoff on May 29, 2015, 10:17:15 AM: The waits between episodes for me seems more agonizing as the season comes to an end.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 29, 2015, 11:37:06 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 08:25:44 AM
Yup, I agree about the children... and so HBO released the title of the 10th episode, episode name in spoiler below and some book talk as well:

Mother's Mercy... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart) Is it possible we get Lady Stoneheart? It would make for a great cliffhanger that could lead to a Riverlands storyline next season? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up after not seeing that in the season 4 finale.
I think it's possible (as I think some things people thought were cut are making it in, but just show up later as they don't introduce things until they actually play a part in the story), but I don't think it's worth assuming it's going to be in it just because it has Mother in the title. It's probably a better idea to just try to actually enjoy the finale rather than just wait to see if some thing from the books gets introduced then end up disappointed.

I honestly thought it was just cut, but I give it a little bit more chance now after recent Season 6 casting announcements. In the past few episodes there have been hints about Oldtown, so I think Sam may go there after all, and now there are casting calls for a character that sounds like Randyll Tarly and Euron Greyjoy. Assuming it is definitely Euron that suggests that they are saving introducing new characters, locations and plotlines (or returning to old ones) until things actually start to happen there and they can devote a whole season to it. Rather than having a location and casting characters in S5 just for Sam to arrive in Oldtown for a single scene, in S6 we will probably see Sam arriving in the Reach and reuniting with his family, Euron leading the Ironborn attack on Oldtown / the Reach, and quite possibly Arya heading from Oldtown to Westeros with a troupe of actors on Faceless Man business. Similarly, Walder Frey is meant to be returning next season so there may be a return of a Riverlands storyline, in which case Lady Stoneheart introduction being saved until now (when she can actually do something) could make sense.

They really did a great job with casting and were especially fortunate with the child actors. They can often be annoying or end up best used sparingly, but in Game Of Thrones they were probably one of the things that people liked most about the show from the start. Arya especially in season 1.
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Post by: Genowyn on May 29, 2015, 12:28:18 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 29, 2015, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 08:25:44 AM
Yup, I agree about the children... and so HBO released the title of the 10th episode, episode name in spoiler below and some book talk as well:

Mother's Mercy... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart) Is it possible we get Lady Stoneheart? It would make for a great cliffhanger that could lead to a Riverlands storyline next season? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up after not seeing that in the season 4 finale.
I think it's possible (as I think some things people thought were cut are making it in, but just show up later as they don't introduce things until they actually play a part in the story), but I don't think it's worth assuming it's going to be in it just because it has Mother in the title. It's probably a better idea to just try to actually enjoy the finale rather than just wait to see if some thing from the books gets introduced then end up disappointed.

I honestly thought it was just cut, but I give it a little bit more chance now after recent Season 6 casting announcements. In the past few episodes there have been hints about Oldtown, so I think Sam may go there after all, and now there are casting calls for a character that sounds like Randyll Tarly and Euron Greyjoy. Assuming it is definitely Euron that suggests that they are saving introducing new characters, locations and plotlines (or returning to old ones) until things actually start to happen there and they can devote a whole season to it. Rather than having a location and casting characters in S5 just for Sam to arrive in Oldtown for a single scene, in S6 we will probably see Sam arriving in the Reach and reuniting with his family, Euron leading the Ironborn attack on Oldtown / the Reach, and quite possibly Arya heading from Oldtown to Westeros with a troupe of actors on Faceless Man business. Similarly, Walder Frey is meant to be returning next season so there may be a return of a Riverlands storyline, in which case Lady Stoneheart introduction being saved until now (when she can actually do something) could make sense.

They really did a great job with casting and were especially fortunate with the child actors. They can often be annoying or end up best used sparingly, but in Game Of Thrones they were probably one of the things that people liked most about the show from the start. Arya especially in season 1.

Oldtown is pretty damn far away from Braavos. Like 2000+ miles. That'd be quite a journey for Arya to make off camera.
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Post by: Evermind on May 29, 2015, 12:36:03 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on May 29, 2015, 12:28:18 PM
Oldtown is pretty damn far away from Braavos. Like 2000+ miles. That'd be quite a journey for Arya to make off camera.

That didn't stop LF from travelling from Winterfell to KL in one episode. And also the letter for him arrived from KL to the Vale and then to Winterfell in literally one scene. I don't think the writers really care about logistics in the show universe.
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Post by: faizoff on May 29, 2015, 01:01:51 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 29, 2015, 12:36:03 PM
I don't think the writers really care about logistics in the show universe.

Neither does GRRM according to his commentary in season one. In fact he mentioned many of the adaptions from book to show that were changed that he doesn't care.
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Post by: Genowyn on May 29, 2015, 01:06:47 PM: The changes he doesn't care about are things like gender/colour of horses, hair/eye colour of minor characters etc.

To be clear I wasn't saying that the show wouldn't just teleport a character, I was more wondering if RuRoRul perhaps had typed Oldtown when he meant Braavos one time or had confused/conflated the two.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 29, 2015, 01:38:29 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on May 29, 2015, 01:06:47 PM
The changes he doesn't care about are things like gender/colour of horses, hair/eye colour of minor characters etc.

To be clear I wasn't saying that the show wouldn't just teleport a character, I was more wondering if RuRoRul perhaps had typed Oldtown when he meant Braavos one time or had confused/conflated the two.
No I did mean Oldtown (but not "from Oldtown to Westeros", rather "from Braavos to Oldtown"), but even that's a bit of speculation on my part I didn't really explain my reasons for :lol

It's basically a guess based on comparing what's going on in the books in Oldtown and the fact that if it's being included they will want to bring major characters into it. In the books we have Sam (just arrived at Oldtown), Euron raiding the Reach and likely planning to attack Oldtown, and Jaqen the Faceless Man in Oldtown to do... something. Since Jaqen (or at least his face) has already been used in Braavos and we obviously haven't been shown that there's a Faceless Man in Old aving her head to Oldtown would be a good way of bringing her back and also establish the three parties that might be involved in Oldtown storyline next book - Sam, Greyjoy threat and Faceless Men. She wouldn't have to get there straight away but I think if she is travelling in season 6 then Oldtown is a feasible destination.

Quote from: Evermind on May 29, 2015, 12:36:03 PM

That didn't stop LF from travelling from Winterfell to KL in one episode. And also the letter for him arrived from KL to the Vale and then to Winterfell in literally one scene. I don't think the writers really care about logistics in the show universe.
If you mean in this season, I'm fairly sure LF left Winterfell in episode 3 and showed up in KL in episode 6... although Catelyn Stark already made the journey from Winterfell to KL in a single episode at the beginning of the show anyway. No idea why they had to have "a rider" go from the Vale to Winterfell in the space of a single episode rather than "a raven", since no one knows how fast ravens can travel.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 01:47:11 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on May 29, 2015, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: RuRoRul on May 29, 2015, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 08:25:44 AM
Yup, I agree about the children... and so HBO released the title of the 10th episode, episode name in spoiler below and some book talk as well:

Mother's Mercy... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/game-of-thrones-finale-mothers-mercy-lady-stoneheart) Is it possible we get Lady Stoneheart? It would make for a great cliffhanger that could lead to a Riverlands storyline next season? I hope so, but I am not getting my hopes up after not seeing that in the season 4 finale.
I think it's possible (as I think some things people thought were cut are making it in, but just show up later as they don't introduce things until they actually play a part in the story), but I don't think it's worth assuming it's going to be in it just because it has Mother in the title. It's probably a better idea to just try to actually enjoy the finale rather than just wait to see if some thing from the books gets introduced then end up disappointed.

I honestly thought it was just cut, but I give it a little bit more chance now after recent Season 6 casting announcements. In the past few episodes there have been hints about Oldtown, so I think Sam may go there after all, and now there are casting calls for a character that sounds like Randyll Tarly and Euron Greyjoy. Assuming it is definitely Euron that suggests that they are saving introducing new characters, locations and plotlines (or returning to old ones) until things actually start to happen there and they can devote a whole season to it. Rather than having a location and casting characters in S5 just for Sam to arrive in Oldtown for a single scene, in S6 we will probably see Sam arriving in the Reach and reuniting with his family, Euron leading the Ironborn attack on Oldtown / the Reach, and quite possibly Arya heading from Oldtown to Westeros with a troupe of actors on Faceless Man business. Similarly, Walder Frey is meant to be returning next season so there may be a return of a Riverlands storyline, in which case Lady Stoneheart introduction being saved until now (when she can actually do something) could make sense.

They really did a great job with casting and were especially fortunate with the child actors. They can often be annoying or end up best used sparingly, but in Game Of Thrones they were probably one of the things that people liked most about the show from the start. Arya especially in season 1.

Oldtown is pretty damn far away from Braavos. Like 2000+ miles. That'd be quite a journey for Arya to make off camera.

If its true about the casting for Euron, then it also makes sense as to why we have not seen Balon die yet. It is all part of that storyline, and I think they may use that in the show for Stannis to believe that Melissandre is not always right because Balon isn't dead and therefore he does not sacrifice Shireen and he loses the Battle for Winterfell... and then Balon dies and fufills that prophecy lol just an idea
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Post by: Evermind on May 29, 2015, 01:58:39 PM: Quote
If you mean in this season, I'm fairly sure LF left Winterfell in episode 3 and showed up in KL in episode 6...

No, pretty sure he appeared in episode 4 to tell Sansa the story about Rhaegar and Lyanna.

By the way, I'm alright with the show speeding up some travels from town to town. It's just kind of fun to point out for me.
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Post by: faizoff on May 29, 2015, 02:02:27 PM: The arrival of Sansa back to WF seemed a rather tame return. I thought they'd show it to be a bit more dramatic when Sansa first sees her hometown. I had to make the connection later that they were already in WF when talking at the tombs.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 29, 2015, 02:14:32 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 29, 2015, 01:58:39 PM
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If you mean in this season, I'm fairly sure LF left Winterfell in episode 3 and showed up in KL in episode 6...

No, pretty sure he appeared in episode 4 to tell Sansa the story about Rhaegar and Lyanna.

By the way, I'm alright with the show speeding up some travels from town to town. It's just kind of fun to point out for me.
Yep you are right, I was thinking of the scene where he gets the summons to King's Landing. Still, a one episode gap was better than I expected as I had heard rumours LF was meant to be in KL as early as episode 4 :lol

Yeah, one of the touches of realism in book 4 and 5 I enjoyed was the fact that it being autumn meant the seas were very dangerous with lots of storms, so there was a real element of danger to any ship voyage that adds to the atmosphere. But on the other hand I really am fine with not having a character's entire season devoted to a travelogue every time they need to be somewhere else, even though you lose the sense of distance in the world.
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Post by: faizoff on May 29, 2015, 07:55:56 PM: Even though we already knew GRRM wouldn't write another episode for the next season, I guess it's even more official now.
https://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/29/george-rr-martin-game-thrones-season-6
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 29, 2015, 09:24:09 PM: I really want Ramsey to die

I don't know how much more of this Reek shit I can take. Or any of Ramsey's bullshit for that matter.
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 30, 2015, 04:27:26 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 29, 2015, 09:24:09 PM
I really want Ramsey to die

#1 on my kill list. Cersei is #2.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 30, 2015, 05:04:11 AM: She's my number 2 as well.

The fact that she's gonna give fanatics pretty much absolute power just because of her spite says it all.

Olenna Tyrell said it perfect when she told Cersei that her father knew that sometimes you have to work with your rivals. tywin was fascinating and incredibly strategic. Cersei is just some spiteful, vindictive bitch and I love that it is now blowing up in her face, considering if the fanatics are gonna arrest people for homosexuality, I wonder what they will do for incest.

She had no idea what she was doing giving them power.
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 30, 2015, 05:29:20 AM: Who I hated at first now I like his character.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 30, 2015, 08:05:56 PM: I can't believe Cersei isn't #1 on your kill list people, it has literally been one of the main reasons I kept watching this show; seeing her broken, defeated or dead, I haven't read the books so I don't know but I don't remember ever hating a character that much.
I don't even have a number #2 anymore, it used to be Joffory, most of the other villainous characters on this show are too fascinating for me to wish them gone, including Ramsay.
I've liked Ramsay's character every since he showed up even though I also really liked Theon's from the beginning. Ramsay kinda reminded me of Chris Nolan's Joker from The Dark Knight. I remember wishing Joffory would somehow fall victim to Ramsay and go through everything Theon went through. I wasn't happy that Joffory went fast and I hope Cersei doesn't either.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 31, 2015, 08:00:38 PM: FUCK
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Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2015, 08:01:14 PM: Wow
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 31, 2015, 08:54:08 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 31, 2015, 08:00:38 PM
FUCK

Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2015, 08:01:14 PM
Wow

:omg: Holy :censored was that a good episode! Guess we found out Valarian steel is as good as Dragon glass!? And, the White Walkers are virtually unstoppable.
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Post by: TempusVox on May 31, 2015, 09:52:47 PM: Excellent, excellent, excellent!! They continue to raise the bar. That final scene was fantastic!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 31, 2015, 10:24:33 PM: Quote from: TempusVox on May 31, 2015, 09:52:47 PM
Excellent, excellent, excellent!! They continue to raise the bar. That final scene was fantastic!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

That White Walker 'King' raising his arms then raising the dead as White Walkers was pretty chilling! For a brief second I thought he was going to motion his army forward and they'd just swarm on the water.....but what he actually did was way more intense!

You just get the feeling that the Dragons would eventually come in to play in that grand battle....it only seems fitting. But that battle scene was fantastic. I was surprised the 'new' lady willing character that was featured was killed so quickly.....being a Mom really backfired on her on that one. :lol

All that and they still managed to throw some cool Arya stuff in there, more Cersi humiliation AND a couple killer scenes with Dany and Tyrion. I've got a feeling with it being the 9th episode next week she's going to slaughter those people at the games like she was challenged to do....and it'd be killer!
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Post by: Dark Castle on May 31, 2015, 11:00:35 PM: RIP Wildling babe.
(https://i.imgur.com/80QJVcD.png)
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 01, 2015, 05:04:32 AM: Quite possibly the best episode of the show, certainly up there as one of them. Hardhome battle was fantastic, definitely the best battle sequence (Blackwater was probably the most complex story-wise and had the best character based scenes, the battle at the Wall had some of the best raw action and combat scenes, but the scale, atmosphere and intensity of this one was amazing).. All the other storylines touched in the first half in the episode were good too (Cersei's scenes being the best of those).
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Post by: Tyrias on June 01, 2015, 05:52:42 AM: Yep, this episode was fantastic. Definetely the best one this season, maybe even the best one overall, if the next 2 episodes continue to be this strong I'll totally forgive them some of the more lackluster elements this season *ahem* Dorne *ahem*.

Every scene just delivered hard. Loved the Arya parts, loved the Tyrion/Dany interaction, loved seeing Cersei so humiliated, and Hardhome. Holy Shit. What a brilliant Battle Sequence.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2015, 06:20:44 AM: So Valyrian Steel works the same as Dragon glass I guess, that's new even for book readers!

(https://photos.vanityfair.com/2015/06/01/556bb676378caf0d670e4d50_jon-snow-white-walker.gif)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 06:43:38 AM: Fantastic episode! That was glorious!

On a side note - the members of the band Mastodon were among the wildlings in the fight at Hardhome.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 01, 2015, 08:32:26 AM: Amazing episode, the scene at Hardhome felt as intense and well made as the battle of the Wall last season.
Cersei's scenes were sooooooooooooooooooo gratifying for me, I'm in love with that tall lady jailer.
My wife insists that the zombies are called white walkers too, I kept telling her that they're just regular walkers :lol, she says "they die and turn into white walkers" but I say the White Walkers are the different breed creatures, the dead they raise are just turbo versions of your normal Rick Grimes walkers, am I wrong?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 08:50:37 AM: The main creatures are the White Walkers, also known as the Others.

The creatures that rise from the dead are wights. They are subservient to the White Walkers.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2015, 09:07:49 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 08:50:37 AM
The main creatures are the White Walkers, also known as the Others.

The creatures that rise from the dead are wights. They are subservient to the White Walkers.

This, but the show does not refer to them as Others, only as White Walkers, but the show also has not done a good job at naming the Whites as different names than the White Walkers so I can get the confusion, a few other show only watchers have asked me this question before.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 09:34:37 AM: The show has referred to them as the Others. That is how various characters who don't believe in their existence have referred to them, or in oaths/curses ("The Others take your worthless hide!").
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Post by: BlackInk on June 01, 2015, 09:50:50 AM: Holy shit, what an episode. I was clenching my fists pretty much all the way through the Hardhome scene. I was already sort of spoiled that the White Walkers would show up, so all week I've been thinking 'if they do show up I won't be surprised, and if they don't I'll be disappointed'. I wasn't exactly surprised, but oh my god did it deliver. And I love every single mention of the Walkers on the show, so this episode was a GoT wet dream for me. And I agree, quite possibly the best episode of the show so far.

The rest of the season might be excellent, but I think it'll be tough to top this one.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 09:34:37 AM
The show has referred to them as the Others. That is how various characters who don't believe in their existence have referred to them, or in oaths/curses ("The Others take your worthless hide!").

What I can recall, none of that has actually been used on the show, only in the books.

And the show has referred to the wights as wights a few times, but the last time was in season 2 I think, so that's a long time ago. But they look vastly different, so I don't completely get the confusion.
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Post by: Zydar on June 01, 2015, 10:30:42 AM: Wow, what an episode!

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 06:43:38 AM
Fantastic episode! That was glorious!

On a side note - the members of the band Mastodon were among the wildlings in the fight at Hardhome.

(https://i.imgur.com/he8Cptt.jpg)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2015, 10:51:44 AM: The CGI has always been fantastic on the show but man, it was at a new level IMO. The 'wights' or whatever the heck they are called...the underling soldiers.....they were done very well for sure. Even the main 'leader' White Walkers had a more realistic look than in the past. Such a great battle scene/sequence.....
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 11:26:33 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 01, 2015, 09:50:50 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 09:34:37 AM
The show has referred to them as the Others. That is how various characters who don't believe in their existence have referred to them, or in oaths/curses ("The Others take your worthless hide!").

What I can recall, none of that has actually been used on the show, only in the books.

And the show has referred to the wights as wights a few times, but the last time was in season 2 I think, so that's a long time ago. But they look vastly different, so I don't completely get the confusion.
I am 99% sure "the Others" have been referred to as such in the shows, although perhaps not for several years.

I also don't get the confusion. The White Walkers are distinctive-looking, while the wights are basically zombies.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2015, 11:50:48 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 11:26:33 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on June 01, 2015, 09:50:50 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 09:34:37 AM
The show has referred to them as the Others. That is how various characters who don't believe in their existence have referred to them, or in oaths/curses ("The Others take your worthless hide!").

What I can recall, none of that has actually been used on the show, only in the books.

And the show has referred to the wights as wights a few times, but the last time was in season 2 I think, so that's a long time ago. But they look vastly different, so I don't completely get the confusion.
I am 99% sure "the Others" have been referred to as such in the shows, although perhaps not for several years.

I also don't get the confusion. The White Walkers are distinctive-looking, while the wights are basically zombies.

While I cant recall a time they were called Others in the show, I don't remember every line, but I am pretty sure the show writers purposely dont use the term Others which is a term used in the TV show Lost which could be confusing. I read this online somewhere many years ago... regardless there is a very big physical distinction, but my point was that vocally in the show, they vaguely or hardly refer to them by different names which is why I believe for TV watchers it could be confusing such as Roose Bolton and Stannis being confused or similar.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 01, 2015, 12:08:58 PM: Additionally, 'Others' doesn't work on a TV show since you can't capitalize the 'O' to clarify that you're referring to the white walkers specifically. I have seen all seasons six, maybe seven, times, and can't recall a single time they used the term 'Others' for that purpose.
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 01, 2015, 12:28:00 PM: I know TV executives had to learn to capitalize since they are in big positions. Now TV anchors........... :biggrin:
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Post by: Evermind on June 01, 2015, 01:49:43 PM: Wow, holy shit, what a hell of episode! Now that's the Game of Thrones I know and love. Definitely the best of this season. I loved every scene except Sam and Olly together (I fucking hate Olly already). Absolutely glorious episode.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2015, 02:17:29 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 11:26:33 AM
I also don't get the confusion. The White Walkers are distinctive-looking, while the wights are basically zombies.

In my defense....on any given day I call each of my three sons one of thier brothers names so.....I need some help
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 01, 2015, 04:22:27 PM: I'm so happy that Tyrion has now linked up with Daenerys

She's been kind of a mess ruling on her own. Now she will have some proper guidance.
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Post by: Dimitrius on June 01, 2015, 04:22:51 PM: Quote from: Evermind on June 01, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
Wow, holy shit, what a hell of episode! Now that's the Game of Thrones I know and love. Definitely the best of this season. I loved every scene except Sam and Olly together (I fucking hate Olly already). Absolutely glorious episode.

I have a good feeling you'll end up hating Olly even more before the season's done!

What an episode!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on June 01, 2015, 04:38:35 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 01, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
Additionally, 'Others' doesn't work on a TV show since you can't capitalize the 'O' to clarify that you're referring to the white walkers specifically. I have seen all seasons six, maybe seven, times, and can't recall a single time they used the term 'Others' for that purpose.
Yep, I think that is the reason and also that even if the show did manage to get "the Others" to stick in people's mind, it might remind people of the TV show Lost which used that heavily and was quite a big pop cultural phenomenon.

I can understand the confusion between the two between some viewers, I don't know if I was completely clear on it from first viewing of season 1. But basically as long as people are roughly aware that there are undead basically zombies and there are the elite few that command them and can't be killed easily, I don't think it's a big deal.

I don't know if the show has used the Others (which is actually the standard name for them in the books). I seem to recall that in one of Melisandre's speeches she did refer to the god of death as "the Great Other", which people think is linked to the Others or the White Walkers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 01, 2015, 05:03:55 PM: Not only the best episode of the season, but one of the best in the series!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dark Castle on June 01, 2015, 06:02:38 PM: Quote from: Accelerando on June 01, 2015, 05:03:55 PM
Not only the best episode of the season, but one of the best in the series!
Absolutely agreed. It combined all of the elements that make this show what it is, into one spectacular bundle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2015, 06:12:07 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 01, 2015, 04:22:51 PM
I have a good feeling you'll end up hating Olly even more before the season's done!

Is that the little kid? You can tell he's still ticked at Jon....wouldn't doubt he'll take a stab at hurting or killing Jon. If he succeeds I'll be mega pi$$ed. And that's worse than being just pi$$ed
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on June 01, 2015, 10:26:34 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 01, 2015, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: Evermind on June 01, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
Wow, holy shit, what a hell of episode! Now that's the Game of Thrones I know and love. Definitely the best of this season. I loved every scene except Sam and Olly together (I fucking hate Olly already). Absolutely glorious episode.

I have a good feeling you'll end up hating Olly even more before the season's done!

What an episode!!!

I have the same feeling.

Also, he's annoying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 02, 2015, 04:11:50 AM: Quote from: Evermind on June 01, 2015, 10:26:34 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on June 01, 2015, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: Evermind on June 01, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
Wow, holy shit, what a hell of episode! Now that's the Game of Thrones I know and love. Definitely the best of this season. I loved every scene except Sam and Olly together (I fucking hate Olly already). Absolutely glorious episode.

I have a good feeling you'll end up hating Olly even more before the season's done!

What an episode!!!

I have the same feeling.

Also, he's annoying.

Ditto this. My first thought is that he would try and kill Gilly and Little Sam.

What a fucking amazing episode. After such a slow season that was just what I needed to keep my interest. And seeing Cersei floor-suck water was INCREDIBLY gratifying. Tyrion and Daenerys :tup No Dorne :tup

Awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 02, 2015, 05:48:56 AM: Goes without saying that was an amazing episode, the last 15-20 mins of that show was jaw dropping great action. The progression of that fight kept surprising me, I kept thinking OK, just a town chat, then boom Lord of Bones is gone. Ok, some agree, some don't, then Boom avalanche attack, then I thought they have dragon glass, nope not used, boom Valerian steel. then they show the head White Walker dude and he then re-animates the dead, it was one awesome turn of action followed by another. As if that wasn't enough the scenes elsewhere were amazing as well. Very sad that it's just the last two episodes of the season and will be followed by such a long wait until April of next year.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 02, 2015, 07:41:26 AM: The confusion was about naming when it came to the White Walkers and their dead army, not about which is which.
There's a recurring gesture the show makes, maybe I've been choosing to ignore it but it keeps coming back every now and then; it's the notion that Daenerys Targaryen is the good guy, the main one, the one we're waiting for to prevail, which I think is B.S frankly. Daenerys is power hungry like everyone else, she is after the throne just like Stannis and all the kings in the original war of kings that followed Robert's death, hell Robb Stark had a more noble purpose for fighting than she did. This last episode Tyrion asked her a question I've always wanted to ask; why not stay in Meereen and have her kingdom there, she says cause Westeros is home! She's never lived there in her adult or even teenage life, Westeros is as much her home as the old ruins of Valyria, but their are no people to rule and play queen with in Valyria so Westeros is where she wants to go.
I think Jon Snow is the only genuine "good guy" among the adult lead characters, the only truly selfless/honor first/greater consistently good character and Tyrion would come in second to that, the notion among fans that Daenerys is Jon Snow's counterpart or equal on the other side of the world is ridiculous to me.
I'm not saying there's got to be good guy hero type of character, I'm just saying I feel the show is trying to make me think there's one and it's Daenerys.
/rant
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2015, 08:04:15 AM: With essentially two seasons to go.....this non book reader seems to think they've set it all up for this to be Jon Snow's 'story'. I think in the end....he will be the one who defeats the White Walkers....he will be the one who unites the 7 Kingdoms.....he's the man basically. Probably totally setting myself up to be crushed when he's killed by some no name wight or something like that....but I can just see he and Dany being in some final battle of sorts and she calls on Drogon or one of the other Dragons to torch him and he withstands the flames like she did. He'd be the King of Fire and Ice.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2015, 08:29:31 AM: BTW, if I'm not mistaken, I don't believe the dragonglass would work against the wights, but only against the actual White Walkers.

I think that fire is the only way to destroy the wights. But I'm not sure fire would work on the White Walkers.

Someone who is more fanatical about knowing these things correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2015, 08:50:59 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2015, 08:29:31 AM
I think that fire is the only way to destroy the wights. But I'm not sure fire would work on the White Walkers.

If you watch the scene where the White Walker 'General'...or whatever, the one who fought Jon in the burning building.....when he walked in the flames around him actually dissipated and flamed out as he entered from the back of the building. Unless they are vulnerable to actual Dragon Fire....I don't think just plain old fire is going to do it either.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 02, 2015, 09:55:44 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 02, 2015, 07:41:26 AM
The confusion was about naming when it came to the White Walkers and their dead army, not about which is which.
There's a recurring gesture the show makes, maybe I've been choosing to ignore it but it keeps coming back every now and then; it's the notion that Daenerys Targaryen is the good guy, the main one, the one we're waiting for to prevail, which I think is B.S frankly. Daenerys is power hungry like everyone else, she is after the throne just like Stannis and all the kings in the original war of kings that followed Robert's death, hell Robb Stark had a more noble purpose for fighting than she did. This last episode Tyrion asked her a question I've always wanted to ask; why not stay in Meereen and have her kingdom there, she says cause Westeros is home! She's never lived there in her adult or even teenage life, Westeros is as much her home as the old ruins of Valyria, but their are no people to rule and play queen with in Valyria so Westeros is where she wants to go.
I think Jon Snow is the only genuine "good guy" among the adult lead characters, the only truly selfless/honor first/greater consistently good character and Tyrion would come in second to that, the notion among fans that Daenerys is Jon Snow's counterpart or equal on the other side of the world is ridiculous to me.
I'm not saying there's got to be good guy hero type of character, I'm just saying I feel the show is trying to make me think there's one and it's Daenerys.
/rant

To be fair, Daenerys is also freeing slaves which is a good cause so she has some good intentions. But I agree overall that she is not the perfect good guy. Jon Snow is the perfect good guy from what we have seen so far.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2015, 08:29:31 AM
BTW, if I'm not mistaken, I don't believe the dragonglass would work against the wights, but only against the actual White Walkers.

I think that fire is the only way to destroy the wights. But I'm not sure fire would work on the White Walkers.

Someone who is more fanatical about knowing these things correct me if I'm wrong.

Why do you think dragonglass wouldnt work? I have no idea, but I would assume it would if it works on the white walkers, but thats purely an assumption.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 02, 2015, 10:30:03 AM: "Only fire will stop them." Said about the wights. So dragonglass or valyrian steel is probably as useless as any other blade against those guys. And I'm sure there's at least some evidence of that in the latest episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 02, 2015, 11:49:49 AM: I bet you killing all the White Walkers would stop the wights as well. I think maybe there isn't that many actual White Walkers and that's why they need to make wights to have foot soldiers, just a speculation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 02, 2015, 12:35:20 PM: I can only echo what everyone else say that this was a season highlight for me. Especially the last 30 mins! :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 02, 2015, 12:47:51 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 02, 2015, 11:49:49 AM
I bet you killing all the White Walkers would stop the wights as well. I think maybe there isn't that many actual White Walkers and that's why they need to make wights to have foot soldiers, just a speculation.

Yea, that would make sense too, but I do wonder how many white walkers there actually are. Since we know the Nights King was able to turn Crasters baby into one (as a baby too, so I guess that means they can grow) and we can assume Craster has had many baby boys based on how many girls he had, then that could add up to a decent amount right there assuming they aren't turning other humans into WW. So much to speculate on them and really nothing to go on besides what we saw in the show. The books don't give any insight into them besides a slight history on the Nights King which was just an ancient story, but Old Nan's stories all seem to be true so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 02, 2015, 12:56:09 PM: So a friend of mine, well I should say "friend", who hasn't read any of the books but watches the show very intently every week mentions to me, 'oh I heard *major character* (who is still on the show) gets killed at the end of book 4 or 5, did you know about that?' I'm like WHYYY would you ask or tell me that??? He said someone who read all the books told him that and since I've read the first 3 books he thought I'd like to know.
:censored >:(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tyrias on June 02, 2015, 01:28:33 PM: Faizoff, I'd put that in tiny font for non book readers. Even without any specifics this could spoil the show for quite a few people.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2015, 01:30:57 PM: Quote from: Tyrias on June 02, 2015, 01:28:33 PM
Faizoff, I'd put that in tiny font for non book readers. Even without any specifics this could spoil the show for quite a few people.

True....but it's not exactly a surprise if/when a major character gets killed off :lol In fact, this may be the longest stretch in the show where a "major" character hasn't been killed off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on June 02, 2015, 01:38:01 PM: gmillerdrake, now you probably should put that into the tiny font too. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tyrias on June 02, 2015, 01:39:12 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2015, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: Tyrias on June 02, 2015, 01:28:33 PM
Faizoff, I'd put that in tiny font for non book readers. Even without any specifics this could spoil the show for quite a few people.

True....but it's not exactly a surprise if/when a major character gets killed off :lol In fact, this may be the longest stretch in the show where a "major" character hasn't been killed off.

I'd make that tiny as well, but I've read the books, so no spoilers for me ;). It's taking a bit of the surprise away when you know of which kind the big event coming is. I mean, we all probably assume that there's something huge coming to close of the season, but non-book readers don't know what exactly will happen. And frankly, book readersdon't know as well given how much the show has deviated so far :lol. Also, minor show/book spoilers in the following:

Also, there is lots of speculation in the fandom if said character is really dead, that scene wasn't overly clear and left quite a bit room for interpretation as to what happens afterwards.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 02, 2015, 01:41:11 PM: Quote from: Tyrias on June 02, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 02, 2015, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: Tyrias on June 02, 2015, 01:28:33 PM
Faizoff, I'd put that in tiny font for non book readers. Even without any specifics this could spoil the show for quite a few people.

True....but it's not exactly a surprise if/when a major character gets killed off :lol In fact, this may be the longest stretch in the show where a "major" character hasn't been killed off.

I'd make that tiny as well, but I've read the books, so no spoilers for me ;). It's taking a bit of the surprise away when you know of which kind the big event coming is. I mean, we all probably assume that there's something huge coming to close of the season, but non-book readers don't know what exactly will happen. And frankly, book readersdon't know as well given how much the show has deviated so far :lol. Also, minor show/book spoilers in the following:

Also, there is lots of speculation in the fandom if said character is really dead, that scene wasn't overly clear and left quite a bit room for interpretation as to what happens afterwards.

I was actually going to comment saying, "I dont recall anyone actually dying" since no one knows if he actually does die.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2015, 01:57:05 PM: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 03, 2015, 04:33:08 AM: What a fantastic episode. I was watching that last part for about twenty minutes and thought 'holy crap, how much more tense can this thing get?!' Well, it did.
Also, I'm a bit in two minds about the Cersei drinking water off the floor scene. Either she hits an even lower low or she'll get a mighty big revenge after this.
Great scene between Theon/Reek and Sansa. Finally! With Ramsey off on a 'mission' this might be the chance for Brianne to storm in and free her.
Dany/Tyrion scene was also nice, great little interplay between those two. And we got to see the first mission of Arya. Nice. Still they underestimate her.

Only two more episodes though.... :yeahright
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 03, 2015, 06:07:24 AM: I'm still very angry with the "friend" on the spoiler. He doesn't think it's a big deal. Grrrrr.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 03, 2015, 07:01:45 AM: (https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11295636_10153377500537248_578722582193807929_n.jpg?oh=827d3215d82b5cd438dbdedb1ce8159c&oe=55FC80F8)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 03, 2015, 09:33:05 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 02, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 02, 2015, 11:49:49 AM
I bet you killing all the White Walkers would stop the wights as well. I think maybe there isn't that many actual White Walkers and that's why they need to make wights to have foot soldiers, just a speculation.

Yea, that would make sense too, but I do wonder how many white walkers there actually are. Since we know the Nights King was able to turn Crasters baby into one (as a baby too, so I guess that means they can grow) and we can assume Craster has had many baby boys based on how many girls he had, then that could add up to a decent amount right there assuming they aren't turning other humans into WW. So much to speculate on them and really nothing to go on besides what we saw in the show. The books don't give any insight into them besides a slight history on the Nights King which was just an ancient story, but Old Nan's stories all seem to be true so far.

Craster said that he had had 99 sons. And I think there are probably more from before Craster came along. I think that, while the wights are obviously more numerous, there are a lot more actual white walkers than we've seen. The Night's King's back story also suggests that there are woman white walkers.

And I still doubt that they were all human from the beginning though. But that's just me, and that might very well be wrong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2015, 09:59:13 AM: Supposedly, we should learn more about the origins of the Walkers in the next novel, which Martin has said he wants published before season 6 of the show airs (which means he has less than a year; I'll believe it when I see it).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2015, 10:30:03 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2015, 09:59:13 AM
Supposedly, we should learn more about the origins of the Walkers in the next novel, which Martin has said he wants published before season 6 of the show airs (which means he has less than a year; I'll believe it when I see it).

That would be a miracle, but would also be awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 03, 2015, 10:51:25 AM: I thought the next book was mostly already written with there being a 1500 page manuscript already. All that was needed was editing it down, wasn't there some talk also about possibly being a 3rd book remaining as well? I don't remember the details or sources as I never started caring about news regarding the books until I started reading them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on June 03, 2015, 10:56:46 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 03, 2015, 10:51:25 AM
I thought the next book was mostly already written with there being a 1500 page manuscript already. All that was needed was editing it down, wasn't there some talk also about possibly being a 3rd book remaining as well? I don't remember the details or sources as I never started caring about news regarding the books until I started reading them.
It's obviously not known exactly how much he has written, but the last pieces of information we got definitely didn't indicate it was mostly written or that there was 1500 pages ready.

The book that was "already mostly written" you may be thinking of was A Dance With Dragons, the fifth one. His manuscript was getting too long to be one book so he released the fourth book (A Feast For Crows) with only about half of the point of view characters in it, then he was going to release the parallel book with the other characters "next year".

A Feast For Crows came out in 2005. A Dance With Dragons was releasd in 2011.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 03, 2015, 11:02:44 AM: It's entirely possible I'm mixing it up but I remember reading about this between the airing of season 3 and season 4. I had bought the books at the time but hadn't started reading them until very recently.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on June 03, 2015, 11:17:06 AM: Hahaha, yeah, A Dance with Dragons was "almost written" when AFFC came out. GRRM predicted he could publish it the next year after AFFC. Since then he predicted a lot of things, basically saying "ADWD will totally come out this year" for six years in a row.

So I'm with Hef here, I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2015, 11:18:58 AM: Yea I do believe he has a lot written, but I don't believe that means he is close to completion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 03, 2015, 12:18:51 PM: He has said in multiple interview that he doesn't really make those predictions anymore since he has realized that he always gets it wrong. That he actually says it now anyways means to me that there is actually a possibility for it to be true.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 03, 2015, 12:49:35 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 03, 2015, 12:18:51 PM
He has said in multiple interview that he doesn't really make those predictions anymore since he has realized that he always gets it wrong. That he actually says it now anyways means to me that there is actually a possibility for it to be true.

well.....eventually he will be done and be right :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2015, 01:09:45 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 03, 2015, 12:49:35 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on June 03, 2015, 12:18:51 PM
He has said in multiple interview that he doesn't really make those predictions anymore since he has realized that he always gets it wrong. That he actually says it now anyways means to me that there is actually a possibility for it to be true.

well.....eventually he will be done and be right :lol

Well unless something tragic happens which is something many people fear will be the case before he finishes the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 03, 2015, 01:32:44 PM: Apparently the lady who recently got killed at the South African safari by a lion worked in visual effects and did so for GOT.
https://mashable.com/2015/06/03/katherine-chappell-lion-attack/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 03, 2015, 03:37:21 PM: That's so sad, what a horrific way to die.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on June 04, 2015, 07:23:42 AM: Why the hell would you have your door open or your window down going through a safari full of lions? Man, I would have the doors locked even though I know Loins don't know how to use handles.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 06, 2015, 08:11:07 AM: (https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/the%20gift_zps1uz4auy0.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on June 07, 2015, 06:55:15 AM: Hardhome episode described by GIF's on TV.com. :lol

https://www.tv.com/shows/game-of-thrones/community/post/game-of-thrones-hardhome-battle-gifs-143319340475/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2015, 02:12:43 PM: :corn I cant wait for the traditional season climax tonight!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 07, 2015, 05:50:03 PM: Jon Snow is a terrible dinner guest (https://youtu.be/BabsgCQhpu4) :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on June 07, 2015, 08:35:49 PM: I was almost sure Stannis' wife was going to stab Melisandre to death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 07, 2015, 08:36:21 PM: I was expecting a bigger set of events lol. I sorta guessed Drogon's appearance would happen but not the sons of Harpy attack. That part was awesome. Heartbreaking moment with Stannis and his wife. Man I can't believe the season is almost done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on June 07, 2015, 08:39:54 PM: My friends predicted the dragon coming but that was a little too Deus Ex Machina for my liking. I probably shouldn't complain since under any normal circumstances all of those characters would be dead without the dragon showing up but I expect a little better from GOT.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on June 07, 2015, 08:46:11 PM: So, how about that Stannis????

Honestly, I was shocked even though I could see it coming from the way the episode was going, but I don't think it's a bad thing. Stannis was never suppose to be a hero, or a villain, he's just someone who's gonna go to any length to get the Iron Throne not because he wants it but because the law says it's rightfully his.
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Post by: faizoff on June 07, 2015, 08:57:03 PM: Also I thought this was the best Dorne section of the season so far. We needed more Doran throughout the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 07, 2015, 09:55:15 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on June 07, 2015, 08:46:11 PM
So, how about that Stannis????

Honestly, I was shocked even though I could see it coming from the way the episode was going, but I don't think it's a bad thing. Stannis was never suppose to be a hero, or a villain, he's just someone who's gonna go to any length to get the Iron Throne not because he wants it but because the law says it's rightfully his.

Yeah, this. I mean...the scenes with he and his daughter did a lot to make the scene of her being burned at the stake that much ,ore powerful. Had he not been developed a tad more this season it'd not have been that big a deal for that to happen. I don't know about any other parents out there who watched that....but it was BRUTAL to hear her screaming for her Dad like that.

The Mereen scenes were good. I'm guessing when Danys "husband" showed up late saying he was making sure things were in order he had orchestrated or was a part of the whole SOH attack? I liked the fact that Tyrion seemed to impress Dany as well with his comments. And, although it was expected/predictable that Drogon was going to show up.....I friggin' loved every bit of it! That was definately a cool rescue.

I don't think I have any doubts now...even in that brief scene....that the little sh%t Olly is going to try and kill Jon. He has a 'look' about him....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 07, 2015, 10:29:45 PM: GoT has probably spoiled me but I thought the dragon ride at the end could have used some better shots.
I'm also a little taken by how weak the dragon is, this is the creature that fought in the Targaryen conquest wars against Westerosi armies? is it me or did he look like he was about to die after 4 spears?
Was funny that an event like that wasn't packed with Unsullied soldiers..
Very interested to see how Shireen's death pays off to Stannis.
Seems like there's a whole lot of cover next episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 08, 2015, 05:07:10 AM: Its amazing how the Unsullied are meant to be these awesome soldiers, yet almost every time they're involved in a skirmish they get their ass and balls handed to them.

Love how from the start of the episode you could see Stannis had a cuply screws loose, he looks so fucked up. That whole scene with his daughter was heartbreaking especially with her screaming like that, as gmillerdrake said.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 08, 2015, 05:12:44 AM: They looked outnumbered and I believe they fight better in formation, I dunno. I think at some point they should show them in full kick ass combat style and not the pansy always surprised and outmatched fights they've been in so far.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2015, 05:27:38 AM: Well so much for Stannis turning into that likeable character I was talking about earlier this season. Seems he went to the dark side last night. The screams were powerful and scarey, that was a really emotional scene and while it did not happen (or not yet) in the books, many people had speculated it would happen, but I was still surprised they went with it.

As for the Unsullied, it didn't seem like there was many there at all and I can only assume there weren't because the opening of the pits was supposed to be a peaceful event to stop the attacks. While many book readers believe Hizdar could have been leading the Sons of the Harpy... he died in the TV being stabbed while he is still alive in the books, so I am guessing he actually may be innocent?

That scene with Meryn Trant in the brother and "younger" was pretty messed up. The girl I was watching with and I both thought that was worse than the Sansa rape.

Really good episode overall, but not as good as Hardhome and the previous episode 9s.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 08, 2015, 07:28:15 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 07, 2015, 08:39:54 PM
My friends predicted the dragon coming but that was a little too Deus Ex Machina for my liking. I probably shouldn't complain since under any normal circumstances all of those characters would be dead without the dragon showing up but I expect a little better from GOT.
In the book, if I'm not mistaken, when Drogon showed up the fights had been going on for a while, and the reader is led to believe that he was attracted by the noise of the stadium and the blood in the air, not from any intent to save anyone.

Quote from: Progmetty on June 07, 2015, 10:29:45 PM
I'm also a little taken by how weak the dragon is, this is the creature that fought in the Targaryen conquest wars against Westerosi armies? is it me or did he look like he was about to die after 4 spears?
These dragons are still young. The ones used in the Targaryen conquest were much older, much larger, and much more powerful.
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Post by: faizoff on June 08, 2015, 07:40:28 AM: I might be mistaken but my initial thought was that Drogon appeared much smaller than what they showed him in the earlier episode in the season.
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Post by: faizoff on June 08, 2015, 07:56:12 AM: Was also thinking how contrasting the endings of the last two episodes were, one a fight featuring the theme of Ice and the other ending with Fire.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 08, 2015, 08:08:38 AM: I would like to see the girl's burning at the stake lead to nothing, and then Stannis rip the Red woman apart for the charlatan that she is.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2015, 08:09:04 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 08, 2015, 07:56:12 AM
Was also thinking how contrasting the endings of the last two episodes were, one a fight featuring the theme of Ice and the other ending with Fire.

Good point. I guess those two scenes ate up a lot of the budget this season.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 08, 2015, 08:53:34 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 08, 2015, 07:40:28 AM
I might be mistaken but my initial thought was that Drogon appeared much smaller than what they showed him in the earlier episode in the season.
Not that I noticed.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 10:22:36 AM: Stannis you're supposed to be the Mannis.

That wasn't very Mannis of you at all.

Book readers who read Westeros.org or keep up on their theories elsewhere:

Isn't there a problem here? Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy should have come true by now. No Sun setting in the east (Quentyn) no Mountains blowing like leaves (Pyramids of Meereen destroyed), no dry seas (though this sign shows up after she leaves). If Dany's period comes next episode like it's supposed to thing's will be really confusing.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 08, 2015, 10:57:30 AM: Awesome episode once again!!
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Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2015, 11:09:54 AM: When I realized Dany was going to ride Drogon I cried. Just like I knew the White Walkers would show up last week, I was unfortunatelly spoiled about Drogon showing up, having seen some awesome fan art. But I had no idea she was going to ride him, that was amazing. Just like last week, the episode delivered big for me even though I knew about some stuff.

And yeah, the Shireen scene was horrifying. I actually had to turn the volume down, I couldn't stand hearing those screams at full volume. Definetely one of the most powerful moments of the show.

I agree with what someone posted on the previous page, the Dorne stuff this week was the best yet.

There is one more event I'm spoiled on, and it's pretty clear it'll happen next week. I fucking hate having things spoiled for me. Hopefully that won't happen with next season, unless Winds of Winter actually does come out before season 6.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2015, 11:38:25 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 07, 2015, 10:29:45 PM
I'm also a little taken by how weak the dragon is, this is the creature that fought in the Targaryen conquest wars against Westerosi armies?

Balerion was, fully grown, so large that he could swallow a horse whole. Yeah, Dany's dragons are still just barely teenagers.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 11:39:14 AM: There's a lot of stuff I really hope happens next episode. Spoilers ahead:

Sam and Gilly need to be sent south to Oldtown. This may be the first thing that happens?
Arya's 'Mercy' chapter and Ser Meryn's death.
Dany gets her period and is found by Khal Jhaqo.
Maybe Sansa and Theon will escape Winterfell? It would have made more sense if this had happened before Davos left, since...
The letter that Davos is to bring to the wall will arrive, it will be the "Pink Letter". Jon may also find out about Sansa somehow.
Cersei's walk of shame and letter to Jaime.
Doran: ""Vengeance." His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. "Justice." Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, "Fire and blood."" IF HE DOES NOT SAY THESE EXACT WORDS OH MY GOD. Also hopefully this will also relate to Trystane being revealed as (f)Aegon. If this happens all the nonsense in Dorne will be worthwhile so PLEASE.
Jaime gets the letter, possibly he has already found out about Doran's plans and is on board, burns the letter.
Arya perhaps gets kicked out of the House of Black and White for not doing what she's told.
Jon gets stabbed, hopefully it shows the signs needed for AA Reborn. It either ends here or...
LADY STONEHEART?! Not counting on it, but it would be lovely.
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Post by: faizoff on June 08, 2015, 11:51:09 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 08, 2015, 11:09:54 AM
There is one more event I'm spoiled on, and it's pretty clear it'll happen next week. I fucking hate having things spoiled for me.
I think I have 2 things spoiled for me which haven't happened yet so it might be there for the finale, I'm not sure. But yeah I hate it as well.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 08, 2015, 12:08:25 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 07, 2015, 10:29:45 PM
I'm also a little taken by how weak the dragon is, this is the creature that fought in the Targaryen conquest wars against Westerosi armies? is it me or did he look like he was about to die after 4 spears?
These dragons are still young. The ones used in the Targaryen conquest were much older, much larger, and much more powerful.
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Quote from: BlackInk on June 08, 2015, 11:38:25 AM
Balerion was, fully grown, so large that he could swallow a horse whole. Yeah, Dany's dragons are still just barely teenagers.

Thanks for clarifing fellas, I was under the impression that they're done growing. If they're gonna get bigger then it's probably a bad idea to keep them in that dungeon I think

Quote from: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 10:22:36 AM
Stannis you're supposed to be the Mannis.

That wasn't very Mannis of you at all.

I keep reading remarks like that on Facebook about how people are disappointed in Stannis and I don't get what ELSE could he have done? Can't go forward, can't go back, they're all gonna die in the cold, there's one thing that had worked before and there are no other ways..

Quote from: BlackInk on June 08, 2015, 11:09:54 AM
When I realized Dany was going to ride Drogon I cried. Just like I knew the White Walkers would show up last week, I was unfortunatelly spoiled about Drogon showing up, having seen some awesome fan art.

Would you share the fan art links?
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Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2015, 12:36:31 PM: This was the image I had seen before:

(https://www.erase-this.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/DaznakPit-1024x576.jpg)
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Post by: faizoff on June 08, 2015, 12:37:59 PM: That's an amazing piece.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2015, 12:40:38 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 08, 2015, 12:08:25 PM
I keep reading remarks like that on Facebook about how people are disappointed in Stannis and I don't get what ELSE could he have done? Can't go forward, can't go back, they're all gonna die in the cold, there's one thing that had worked before and there are no other ways..

Yeah...I mean, it wasn't terribly difficult to determine given the foreshadowing and amount of time they spent building the Stannis/Shireen relationship this season that he was going to sacrifice her. That wasn't a huge shock as far as surprise....it was just like 'wow...he actually did it!?'
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Post by: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 12:57:18 PM: It's just upsetting how the show insists on trying to turn Stannis into a bad guy. Make sure we play scary music whenever Stannis is on screen guys!

In the books, Stannis leaves Mel, Selyse, and Shireen at the wall. It has been implied that Shireen would have met the same fate in the books, though it has yet to happen. The main difference is that when it happens in the books, it will almost definitely be behind Stannis' back.

It has been described as "Character Assassination" and I don't disagree. In the books, Stannis the Mannis is frankly the best person to end up on the Iron Throne (if the Seven Kingdoms even continue to exist in their current form when all's over which seems...unlikely). In the show they insist on making him a bad guy. IMO, that scene was up there with Sansa's rape as far as being one of the worst changes made to a character for the show. This season has been so bad and only if (almost) every single point I mentioned in my earlier post is met will I consider it successful.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 01:03:00 PM: Quote
“Half my army is made up of unbelievers,” Stannis had replied. “I will have no burnings. Pray harder.”

Remember the real Stannis.

Stannis the Mannis.
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Post by: Evermind on June 08, 2015, 01:15:07 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
It's just upsetting how the show insists on trying to turn Stannis into a bad guy. Make sure we play scary music whenever Stannis is on screen guys!

In the books, Stannis leaves Mel, Selyse, and Shireen at the wall. It has been implied that Shireen would have met the same fate in the books, though it has yet to happen. The main difference is that when it happens in the books, it will almost definitely be behind Stannis' back.

It has been described as "Character Assassination" and I don't disagree. In the books, Stannis the Mannis is frankly the best person to end up on the Iron Throne (if the Seven Kingdoms even continue to exist in their current form when all's over which seems...unlikely). In the show they insist on making him a bad guy. IMO, that scene was up there with Sansa's rape as far as being one of the worst changes made to a character for the show.

I agree with all of this. I was going to post another huge rant post about that scene, but I kind of settled on the thought show!Stannis and book!Stannis are just two different characters, so it's alright. The scene itself was well-acted though.

Anyway, I'm kind of pissed off that Ramsay and his Twenty Good Men™ were able to stealthily infiltrate the camp of one of the best military commanders of Westeros, simultaneously lighted more than ten fires at once which started burning intensely in a few seconds in a snowfall, burned all of the supplies and siege engines and also a hundred horses, and then were able to escape unnoticed.

Anyway, I thought it was a good episode. Middle of the pack for this season and certainly a significant drop in quality after Hardhome, but not too bad.

Edit:

Quote from: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 01:03:00 PM
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“Half my army is made up of unbelievers,” Stannis had replied. “I will have no burnings. Pray harder.”

Remember the real Stannis.

Stannis the Mannis.

There's also this:

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The knight hesitated. "Your Grace, if you are dead..."
"...you will avenge my death, and seat my daughter on the Iron Throne. Or die in the attempt."

- Stannis
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2015, 02:24:08 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
There's a lot of stuff I really hope happens next episode. Spoilers ahead:

Sam and Gilly need to be sent south to Oldtown. This may be the first thing that happens?
Arya's 'Mercy' chapter and Ser Meryn's death.
Dany gets her period and is found by Khal Jhaqo.
Maybe Sansa and Theon will escape Winterfell? It would have made more sense if this had happened before Davos left, since...
The letter that Davos is to bring to the wall will arrive, it will be the "Pink Letter". Jon may also find out about Sansa somehow.
Cersei's walk of shame and letter to Jaime.
Doran: ""Vengeance." His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. "Justice." Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, "Fire and blood."" IF HE DOES NOT SAY THESE EXACT WORDS OH MY GOD. Also hopefully this will also relate to Trystane being revealed as (f)Aegon. If this happens all the nonsense in Dorne will be worthwhile so PLEASE.
Jaime gets the letter, possibly he has already found out about Doran's plans and is on board, burns the letter.
Arya perhaps gets kicked out of the House of Black and White for not doing what she's told.
Jon gets stabbed, hopefully it shows the signs needed for AA Reborn. It either ends here or...
LADY STONEHEART?! Not counting on it, but it would be lovely.

I will add to this:

Varys showing back up in Kings Landing with a dead Pycelle and Kevan? I am hoping for a dead Tommen too
Brienne and Pod are going to play a role somewhere with Sansa, maybe help her escape or maybe Brienne attacks Stannis? Potentially kills him and Melissandre's kiss bring to life Jon instead of Stannis? Shireens burn give Jon life?
Maybe the R+L=J reveal? It's been hinted at a lot this season, maybe somehow it comes out
None of the above is in the books besides Varys killing Pycelle and Kevan, but I can guess
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Post by: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 02:44:52 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 08, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
There's a lot of stuff I really hope happens next episode. Spoilers ahead:

Sam and Gilly need to be sent south to Oldtown. This may be the first thing that happens?
Arya's 'Mercy' chapter and Ser Meryn's death.
Dany gets her period and is found by Khal Jhaqo.
Maybe Sansa and Theon will escape Winterfell? It would have made more sense if this had happened before Davos left, since...
The letter that Davos is to bring to the wall will arrive, it will be the "Pink Letter". Jon may also find out about Sansa somehow.
Cersei's walk of shame and letter to Jaime.
Doran: ""Vengeance." His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. "Justice." Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, "Fire and blood."" IF HE DOES NOT SAY THESE EXACT WORDS OH MY GOD. Also hopefully this will also relate to Trystane being revealed as (f)Aegon. If this happens all the nonsense in Dorne will be worthwhile so PLEASE.
Jaime gets the letter, possibly he has already found out about Doran's plans and is on board, burns the letter.
Arya perhaps gets kicked out of the House of Black and White for not doing what she's told.
Jon gets stabbed, hopefully it shows the signs needed for AA Reborn. It either ends here or...
LADY STONEHEART?! Not counting on it, but it would be lovely.

I will add to this:

Maybe the R+L=J reveal? It's been hinted at a lot this season, maybe somehow it comes out

Meant to include this, too.
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Post by: Tanatra on June 08, 2015, 10:50:22 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 08, 2015, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 07, 2015, 10:29:45 PM
I'm also a little taken by how weak the dragon is, this is the creature that fought in the Targaryen conquest wars against Westerosi armies?

Balerion was, fully grown, so large that he could swallow a horse whole. Yeah, Dany's dragons are still just barely teenagers.

In addition, by showing that Drogon wasn't invincible, it adds tension to the scene. It also evokes Dany's 'motherly instinct' so she would climb up on his back and fly him (and her) to safety.

Anywho, outstanding episode with symbolism and foreshadowing in almost all scenes. I loved how the director used the lighting to emphasize Shireen's gray scale, highlighting Stannis' acceptance that the realm will never rally behind a princess with her affliction. I think that scene along with Sansa's rape shows the writers are trying a tad too hard to incite controversy, but hey, any publicity is good publicity.

And damn, about 99% of the book material is covered now. They even used material from WoW preview chapters for this episode. As a whole I believe D&D (the exec producers) have done a phenomenal job of turning over 1600 pages (two whole books) of an author getting lost in world-building and character development into one of the best shows on TV. They'll be playing the final two seasons by ear, but I'm really looking forward to next year.

Quote from: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 02:44:52 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 08, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on June 08, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
There's a lot of stuff I really hope happens next episode. Spoilers ahead:

Sam and Gilly need to be sent south to Oldtown. This may be the first thing that happens?
Arya's 'Mercy' chapter and Ser Meryn's death.
Dany gets her period and is found by Khal Jhaqo.
Maybe Sansa and Theon will escape Winterfell? It would have made more sense if this had happened before Davos left, since...
The letter that Davos is to bring to the wall will arrive, it will be the "Pink Letter". Jon may also find out about Sansa somehow.
Cersei's walk of shame and letter to Jaime.
Doran: ""Vengeance." His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. "Justice." Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, "Fire and blood."" IF HE DOES NOT SAY THESE EXACT WORDS OH MY GOD. Also hopefully this will also relate to Trystane being revealed as (f)Aegon. If this happens all the nonsense in Dorne will be worthwhile so PLEASE.
Jaime gets the letter, possibly he has already found out about Doran's plans and is on board, burns the letter.
Arya perhaps gets kicked out of the House of Black and White for not doing what she's told.
Jon gets stabbed, hopefully it shows the signs needed for AA Reborn. It either ends here or...
LADY STONEHEART?! Not counting on it, but it would be lovely.

I will add to this:

Maybe the R+L=J reveal? It's been hinted at a lot this season, maybe somehow it comes out

Meant to include this, too.

Some minor comments on both your theories (i.e., spamming my own):

I don't think R+L=J will be revealed until the final season.

Jon getting stabbed would be the perfect way to close out this season. More people love Jon Snow's character than Dany's IMO.

Lady Stoneheart would make a great "oh shit!" end of episode moment in the future, but D&D are really playing that close to their chest.

There is a very obvious replacement for the Bloody Flux next season, and Tyrion will be the Steward of Mereen while Dany is out on the Dothraki sea; whoop whoop! His political maneuvering was my favorite story arc in Season 2.

My only concern is that they're probably going to stretch out Stannis' campaign to Winterfell over the entire next season. I don't think there is going to be a battle in Mereen - D&D want to wrap up the episode in 7 seasons despite the protests of execs @ HBO. If that is indeed what transpires, they'll need to spend the remaining two seasons getting Danaerys to Westeros.
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Post by: faizoff on June 09, 2015, 09:31:21 AM: There's much talk of how episode 9 is always the shocker or most important episode of the season, I think last season episode 10 was more eventful than 9 and I get the feeling it's going to be the same this season as well.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 09, 2015, 10:11:13 AM: Given that I'm a massive White Walker nerd, I think it'll be hard to top 'Hardhome' this season.

Also, something I forgot to mention in my initial episode reaction post was the acting of the girl who played Shireen. When I saw that they were leading her to the stake I was thinking "if they go through with this I imagine that will be some tough acting for a girl that young", so I was a bit worried about whether she could sell it or not. But as far as I'm concerned, she was great. So props to her for pulling that off.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2015, 10:21:47 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 09, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Also, something I forgot to mention in my initial episode reaction post was the acting of the girl who played Shireen. When I saw that they were leading her to the stake I was thinking "if they go through with this I imagine that will be some tough acting for a girl that young", so I was a bit worried about whether she could sell it or not. But as far as I'm concerned, she was great. So props to her for pulling that off.

Other than the Sand Snake Girls (and I just don't think they've been given the material yet) the casting and acting on this show are top notch and IMO is what makes the show. Any less of an effort that we've gotten from these actors/actresses would diminish the quality of the show. It doesn't matter how 'pretty' it is....how cool the CGI is....if the actors aren't selling it, ain't no one gonna buy it. They've all been spot on....no matter who they cast.

Heck, even the last Wildling lady who was killed by the group of wight kids was easy to fall in love with and like due to her acting and she had what....5 minutes of screen time? They consistently cast great actors and that's what makes the show.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 09, 2015, 11:02:55 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 09, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Given that I'm a massive White Walker nerd, I think it'll be hard to top 'Hardhome' this season.

Also, something I forgot to mention in my initial episode reaction post was the acting of the girl who played Shireen. When I saw that they were leading her to the stake I was thinking "if they go through with this I imagine that will be some tough acting for a girl that young", so I was a bit worried about whether she could sell it or not. But as far as I'm concerned, she was great. So props to her for pulling that off.
Not that it really matter or anything but I was actually thinking during that scene that her scream wasn't that terrifying that I would expect from someone being burned alive, especially a child. I realise my comment sounds a bit messed up :lol but as you, I did think before hand how she would act that out because having an actor scream in agonising pain is tough but to have a child do it is even worse. She did a good job though and I guess in the realms of what's morally accepted or something like that.

Then again i'm not claiming to be an expert in human combustion and everything that comes along with being burned alive.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 09, 2015, 11:14:20 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2015, 10:21:47 AM
Other than the Sand Snake Girls (and I just don't think they've been given the material yet) the casting and acting on this show are top notch and IMO is what makes the show.

I agree with the bolded part. In the first half of the season, we had zero personality from any of these girls. But I think both Tyeene and Nymeria are actually a bit likable now after their prison scenes, in which I think the actors were great. If these moments had happened before their fight with Bronn and Jamie, it would have made that scene better. But as it was now, there was just no reason to care for those people.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 09, 2015, 11:24:43 AM: Once those screams started to rise in pitch I thought it was plenty believable. Also:

(https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11406814_845853308826973_7321568251052222580_n.jpg?oh=dce38bd437b4f655b95f3ad05a7d6d14&oe=55F5D520)
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Post by: Evermind on June 09, 2015, 11:33:10 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/dEPas3t.png)

:lol
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 09, 2015, 11:50:56 AM: Spare no heir, lol
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Post by: BlackInk on June 09, 2015, 11:53:19 AM: :lol :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 11, 2015, 11:13:39 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 08, 2015, 08:08:38 AM
I would like to see the girl's burning at the stake lead to nothing, and then Stannis rip the Red woman apart for the charlatan that she is.

I was thinking about that or what Davos' reaction would be to finding out the princess was burned alive.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 11, 2015, 11:20:27 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 11, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 08, 2015, 08:08:38 AM
I would like to see the girl's burning at the stake lead to nothing, and then Stannis rip the Red woman apart for the charlatan that she is.

I was thinking about that or what Davos' reaction would be to finding out the princess was burned alive.

He's too much of a wuss to do anything.....he's proven that. He knew she was in trouble and 'tried' to get her back to Castle Black. I don't think there's much he can or will do other than maybe leave.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 11:21:44 AM: He's not a wuss at all. He is holding fast to his own sense of honor, duty, and loyalty, at the expense of what his personal choices would be.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 11, 2015, 11:53:05 AM: I agree Davos is not a wuss, remember in Season 3 he tried to kill Melisandre. He knew something was up, but I am not totally sure he knew Shireen was going to be killed. I do think it will be interesting to see how he reacts though, does he continue to stay loyal to Stannis or was that his last straw? I think he continues down his book path (which was left out in the show so far), but does it for a different character than Stannis goes after Rickon, but maybe for Jon Snow or Sansa therefore putting him on side Stark
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 11, 2015, 12:11:22 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
He's not a wuss at all. He is holding fast to his own sense of honor, duty, and loyalty, at the expense of what his personal choices would be.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 11, 2015, 11:53:05 AM
I agree Davos is not a wuss, remember in Season 3 he tried to kill Melisandre. He knew something was up, but I am not totally sure he knew Shireen was going to be killed. I do think it will be interesting to see how he reacts though, does he continue to stay loyal to Stannis or was that his last straw? I think he continues down his book path (which was left out in the show so far), but does it for a different character than Stannis goes after Rickon, but maybe for Jon Snow or Sansa therefore putting him on side Stark

Maybe 'wuss' was a poor choice of word to use to describe him, because both your points are well taken. I just don't see him really doing anything dramatic like killing Stannis or Melesandre. Given his characters "character"...i think him abandoning Stannis would be his way of getting back at Stannis and damaging his plans to rule.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 14, 2015, 03:22:26 PM: (https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/fathersday_zps4ovxkq4c.jpg)
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Post by: ariich on June 14, 2015, 03:39:13 PM: :lol
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Post by: faizoff on June 14, 2015, 08:11:13 PM: :-[ :eek :\ :eek :o
I had a few things spoiled for me but Jon Snow still surprised me. What an amazing amazing finale and show and the long long wait for next year begins. God April is so freaking far away. I think I'm emotionally scarred after this season lol.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 14, 2015, 08:20:03 PM: I'm so not pleased. If what happened to Stannis is a book spoiler (though obviously it would come from someone else) I'll be really annoyed. I pray GRRM can accomplish his goal of getting The Winds of Winter out before season 6 or I won't be able to watch it. Hell, I might not watch it anyway.

The showrunners' stubborn refusal to incorporate any prophecies from the book really made a difference this episode I think. Made sure to get Melisandre back to CB beforehand of course. Now way you could have had ~~Bowen Marsh~~ Olly shed a tear? Don't think that was important? Had to make up some nonsense about Benjen (and thanks for making me worry you were gonna spoil something about Benjen) instead of the thing with Wun Wun? Why? Didn't want to pay for the giant? Didn't want to cut any time from the super interesting Walk of Shame? I even felt sorta bad because book Cersei makes show Cersei seem downright pleasant and reasonable. AND SO HEY WHY DID WE EVEN GO TO DORNE IF YOU WEREN'T GONNA DO THE VENGEANCE JUSTICE FIRE AND BLOOD?

And was that Dorne scene really the crazy thing one of the Sand Snakes actresses mentioned in an interview?

I'm just so disappointed with this episode and season.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 14, 2015, 08:23:18 PM: Did that ending happen in the books or are the showrunners really that stupid?
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Post by: Genowyn on June 14, 2015, 08:25:45 PM: It happened but the circumstances were different in some fundamental ways. Important ways.
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Post by: faizoff on June 14, 2015, 08:26:18 PM: So how much of the books are done/left now?
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Post by: ReaperKK on June 14, 2015, 08:32:51 PM: That season finale was unreal, it's just so much to process.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 14, 2015, 08:33:25 PM: Quote from: ReaperKK on June 14, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
That season finale was unreal, it's just so much to process.

It varies by character. Some are ahead of their book plotlines, some are in similar positions, some are off on psychotic tangents, some are behind. Two have yet to happen on the show but one of them is definitely happening (Sam going south) and one seems likely to happen due to some casting announcements (Iron Islands). Some have been entirely cut (alas, poor Griffs, Quentyn, and Arianne, we hardly knew ye). Pretty much only Jon and Dany are right where the shows left them, but some really important things have been left out of their plotlines.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 14, 2015, 08:42:37 PM: So, I love GOT, but any story needs good characters, I think, and most of them are dead now. If Jon is indeed gone, what great characters are left? I guess Tyrion and Danny. Jamie's an interesting character too I guess, but... I dunno. Jon was a GREAT character. One more down.
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Post by: faizoff on June 14, 2015, 08:43:43 PM: Man my heart is still pounding from that episode.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 14, 2015, 08:45:17 PM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 14, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
So, I love GOT, but any story needs good characters, I think, and most of them are dead now. If Jon is indeed gone, what great characters are left? I guess Tyrion and Danny. Jamie's an interesting character too I guess, but... I dunno. Jon was a GREAT character. One more down.

Kit Harrington said in an interview that he's really dead, but that could certainly be a contractually obligated lie.

Most book readers don't think he's dead, but none of the reasons we have to think that are really present in the show (except that Melisandre showed up).
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 14, 2015, 09:36:52 PM: Wow, that was crazy. I have no clue what happens next.
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Post by: faizoff on June 14, 2015, 09:39:06 PM: I wonder if Stannis is still alive. I mean they show pretty much every slice and dice in great detail on the show so not showing Stannis' head being chopped off maybe just maybe might mean something. Either way other places on the internet are convinced Jon Snow will be brought back.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 14, 2015, 09:43:57 PM: What a finale! I still can't believe they'd kill off such a great character in Jon Snow....but, I guess at the moment he's presumed dead. Like as has been mentioned....Melessandra being at the wall may help his cause.

Anyway....it's such a bummer to have to wait now.....
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Post by: faizoff on June 14, 2015, 09:57:36 PM: According to this interview Jon Snow is not coming back
https://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview

Relevant part below:

I was talking to Dan Weiss and he said Jon is really dead. But George R.R. Martin left open the possibility the character might not be dead in the books. And then that cast salary contract story came out last year and it had your name among those receiving raises for season six and an option on a seventh. So let me ask you: Is Jon really dead?
This is my understanding of it. I had a sit-down with Dan and David, we did the Tony Soprano walk [letting an actor know they’re being whacked]. And they said, “Look, you’re gone, it’s done.” And as far as the salary thing goes, that angered me when that story came out. I don’t know where it came from, but it was inaccurate in many ways. It’s going to put questions into your head and into fans’ heads that things are not what they are. Quite honestly, I have never been told the future of things in this show, but this is the one time I have. They sat me down and said, “This is how it is.” If anything in the future is not like that, then I don’t know about it – it’s only in David and Dan and George’s heads. But I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. So that’s all I can tell you, really.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 14, 2015, 10:15:46 PM: ^^^^if that's true then that SUCKS and it'll be the first time I'd be legitimately disappointed by the show/book....whatever.
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Post by: Implode on June 14, 2015, 11:01:56 PM: I've become kind of numb to this show. I know I just started watching it, but now I'm wondering why I have any reason to continue. It's not like in way where my favorite characters are dead or anything. The show just hasn't seemed to give any rewards for caring about anything. So I feel like whatever.
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Post by: Accelerando on June 14, 2015, 11:30:07 PM: Damn you Game of Thrones! Just....GODDAMN YOU!!! >:( :'(
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Post by: masterthes on June 15, 2015, 06:22:48 AM: There's a key to that sentence, next season. They could be doing a Bran thing and keeping him out for the 6th season
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Post by: orcus116 on June 15, 2015, 06:24:24 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 14, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
So, I love GOT, but any story needs good characters, I think, and most of them are dead now. If Jon is indeed gone, what great characters are left? I guess Tyrion and Danny. Jamie's an interesting character too I guess, but... I dunno. Jon was a GREAT character. One more down.

That is my issue as well. There really haven't been a lot of compelling storylines and this takes out one of the best ones.
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Post by: faizoff on June 15, 2015, 07:04:12 AM: I'll have to wait and see, I think they did an amazing job with Oberyn's character even though it was mostly from the books and just one season, Theon's arc has become super interesting the past 2 seasons. Of course Jon was an amazing character especially the last two seasons 2 thought, so even if he doesn't come back I'm not going to be disappointed. I also think after a somewhat lull for 2 seasons (3 & 4) Dani's story line has finally got some major legs this season. By end of season 4 I didn't care that much about her.
I think they've still got plenty left, I mean there's Cersei who's got the frickin frankenstien mountain on her side. I'm not worried, will just see it play out.

Forgot about Arya and Bran, so yea plenty of stuff to tap into.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 15, 2015, 07:08:46 AM: I can't be the only one who finds Bran's storyline insufferably boring.
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Post by: faizoff on June 15, 2015, 07:50:42 AM: A great recap and 'thoughts shared out loud' article on last night's show.
https://theweek.com/articles/560502/game-thrones-season-finale-recap-sunday-bloody-sunday
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Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2015, 08:00:41 AM: I dont understand the complaints besides the "my favorite character died" which is valid, but the show actually managed to climax all the storylines last night and left us hanging in many spots (just like the books ended).

I am still having trouble believing Stannis is dead and got pummeled in the Battle for Winterfell, which apparently was not much of a battle. It makes it seem that Ramsay's Pink Letter (which was cut from the show and the reason Jon gets stabbed in the books, no longer spoiler I guess) is true, when most thought it was not.

That previously on bit actually tricked everyone which was awesome.

And I don't believe Jon is dead, Melissandre convienently gets to Castle Black in time. She expressed her interest in Jon before, she saw the Lord of Light can bring back life from Beric Dondarion, and she just did a King's blood sacrifice which was apparently not used for Stannis (and she obviously knew this by leaving him immediately). There is also always the possiblitly that Jon comes back as a White Walker if he is touched by the Night's King.

Let's not forget about Qyburn's Ser Robert Strong, another example of someone coming back to life albeit quite differently, but I wonder if Qyburn figured something out about how White Walkers or Whites are raised from the dead? I've always wondered that. The walk of shame was pretty spot on from the books, but I was really looking forward to seeing who was at the end and we got it.

And then Mereen, well that is quite different from the books. Dany's part is the same, but what's left in Mereen is very different. Varys is there? :corn

Let's see who died

Ser Meryn Trant
Myranda
Stannis (assumed)
Selyse
Myrcella (assumed)
Jon Snow (assumed)
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Post by: orcus116 on June 15, 2015, 08:02:57 AM: Don't forget Sansa and Theon's leap from the wall.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 15, 2015, 08:06:07 AM: What a crazy show. That was awesome.

I guess stannis is not the mannis. Flew too close to the sun murdering his daughter and paid the price for it. Half the army deserting, wife suicide, and abandoned by the red woman. Pretty much what I was hoping/expecting and I'm glad it did.

And holy shit, Franken-mountain. Can't wait to see him decimate the fanatics.
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Post by: snapple on June 15, 2015, 08:56:41 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 14, 2015, 09:57:36 PM
According to this interview Jon Snow is not coming back
https://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview

Relevant part below:

I was talking to Dan Weiss and he said Jon is really dead. But George R.R. Martin left open the possibility the character might not be dead in the books. And then that cast salary contract story came out last year and it had your name among those receiving raises for season six and an option on a seventh. So let me ask you: Is Jon really dead?
This is my understanding of it. I had a sit-down with Dan and David, we did the Tony Soprano walk [letting an actor know they’re being whacked]. And they said, “Look, you’re gone, it’s done.” And as far as the salary thing goes, that angered me when that story came out. I don’t know where it came from, but it was inaccurate in many ways. It’s going to put questions into your head and into fans’ heads that things are not what they are. Quite honestly, I have never been told the future of things in this show, but this is the one time I have. They sat me down and said, “This is how it is.” If anything in the future is not like that, then I don’t know about it – it’s only in David and Dan and George’s heads. But I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. So that’s all I can tell you, really.

I've signed NDA's before. I'm sure Jon has one signed.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2015, 09:00:27 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 15, 2015, 08:02:57 AM
Don't forget Sansa and Theon's leap from the wall.
Into a snow bank. I would bet the farm that both survived in reasonably good shape.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 15, 2015, 08:00:41 AM
I dont understand the complaints besides the "my favorite character died" which is valid, but the show actually managed to climax all the storylines last night and left us hanging in many spots (just like the books ended).

I am still having trouble believing Stannis is dead and got pummeled in the Battle for Winterfell, which apparently was not much of a battle. It makes it seem that Ramsay's Pink Letter (which was cut from the show and the reason Jon gets stabbed in the books, no longer spoiler I guess) is true, when most thought it was not.

That previously on bit actually tricked everyone which was awesome.

And I don't believe Jon is dead, Melissandre convienently gets to Castle Black in time. She expressed her interest in Jon before, she saw the Lord of Light can bring back life from Beric Dondarion, and she just did a King's blood sacrifice which was apparently not used for Stannis (and she obviously knew this by leaving him immediately). There is also always the possiblitly that Jon comes back as a White Walker if he is touched by the Night's King.

Let's not forget about Qyburn's Ser Robert Strong, another example of someone coming back to life albeit quite differently, but I wonder if Qyburn figured something out about how White Walkers or Whites are raised from the dead? I've always wondered that. The walk of shame was pretty spot on from the books, but I was really looking forward to seeing who was at the end and we got it.

And then Mereen, well that is quite different from the books. Dany's part is the same, but what's left in Mereen is very different. Varys is there? :corn

Let's see who died

Ser Meryn Trant
Myranda
Stannis (assumed)
Selyse
Myrcella (assumed)
Jon Snow (assumed)
All of this.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 15, 2015, 10:31:25 AM: Awesome episode. If Jon is actually dead, that is a true Game of Thrones gut punch of feels.

And no one is talking about Arya?? The scene with Meryn Trant was brutal and the scene with the sight loss was absolutely horrifying.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 15, 2015, 08:00:41 AM
Let's not forget about Qyburn's Ser Robert Strong, another example of someone coming back to life albeit quite differently, but I wonder if Qyburn figured something out about how White Walkers or Whites are raised from the dead? I've always wondered that.

Was he really brought back from death though? I thought he was just brought back from the very brink of death.

Quote from: orcus116 on June 15, 2015, 07:08:46 AM
I can't be the only one who finds Bran's storyline insufferably boring.

I don't, I think it's really interesting and have always believed it to be one of the most important storylines.
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Post by: faizoff on June 15, 2015, 10:46:32 AM: Arya has always been my favorite character arc, and the actress playing her season after season just keeps getting better and better. That scene with Meryn was arguably my favorite scene of hers this entire series.
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Post by: Zydar on June 15, 2015, 11:04:43 AM: That walk of atonement, must be mentioned also.
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Post by: Dekost on June 15, 2015, 11:05:39 AM: I haven't seen the finale yet (hence posting this here might be a terrible idea) but I did make a jazzy piano cover of the intro theme song. Let me know what you think! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcCzvipXvEA
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Post by: Evermind on June 15, 2015, 11:15:41 AM: Wow, guys, I never expected Olly stabbing Jon! Such subtlety!

But seriously, Jon's last words were "Olly". Fucking Olly and writers. I'm speechless. His last thoughts were not about Arya, not about Ghost (where was he? eh, who needs this stupid oversized dog I guess), but about this joke of a character shoehorned into the story. Wow. :facepalm:

I liked Arya and Cersei scenes though, those were good.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2015, 11:32:32 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 15, 2015, 10:31:25 AM
And no one is talking about Arya?? The scene with Meryn Trant was brutal and the scene with the sight loss was absolutely horrifying.
I think it speaks to the magnitude of the episode that Arya's scenes almost seem like an afterthought.
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Post by: faizoff on June 15, 2015, 11:37:13 AM: Quote from: Evermind on June 15, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
But seriously, Jon's last words were "Olly". Fucking Olly and writers. I'm speechless. His last thoughts were not about Arya, not about Ghost (where was he? eh, who needs this stupid oversized dog I guess), but about this joke of a character shoehorned into the story. Wow. :facepalm:

Jon just got ambushed and stabbed by a bunch of men in succession rapidly, I don't think he had time to recover from that ambush, process that Olly betrayed him and then proceed to think about Arya.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2015, 12:00:52 PM: If memory serves, his last word in the novel was "Ghost"
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Post by: Evermind on June 15, 2015, 12:04:11 PM: Quote from: faizoff on June 15, 2015, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Evermind on June 15, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
But seriously, Jon's last words were "Olly". Fucking Olly and writers. I'm speechless. His last thoughts were not about Arya, not about Ghost (where was he? eh, who needs this stupid oversized dog I guess), but about this joke of a character shoehorned into the story. Wow. :facepalm:

Jon just got ambushed and stabbed by a bunch of men in succession rapidly, I don't think he had time to recover from that ambush, process that Olly betrayed him and then proceed to think about Arya.

Well, my rant is from perspective of an avid books fan. The show didn't make efforts to establish Jon - Arya connection besides the Needle gifting scene in S1, which is understandable, because they kind of can't portray characters' thoughts on screen, but I seriously doubt they even remember about this Jon - Arya connection at all (remember, they've said Needle was a symbol of revenge for Arya. Yeah, I'm still not over it.)

I'm obviously not really experienced on that matter, but it was a nice parallel in the books, at least I thought so. Robb thinks about Grey Wind while dying, Catelyn's thoughts are about Ned and her beloved children, and Jon's last thoughts are the ones who are the most dear to him, about Arya and Ghost. "Proceed to think about Arya" sounds like it's some distant relative of his or totally unimportant person, whereas it's actually one of the most important persons to him. Remember, he sends help to Winterfell when he hears the news that Arya is going to wed Ramsay (not knowing she's fake), once again struggling to decide between vows and his little sister. Then he decides to march on Winterfell with wildlings when he receives Pink Letter, which is basically the last straw that breaks the camel's back and finally results in his assassination.

But the show didn't bother to establish all that, it went with numerous shots of Olly glaring at things in every episode, so I'm not surprised they went this route in the end. Just extremely disappointed.

Also, what was the point of Alliser opening up the gates for Jon and wildlings in episode 9 if they just went ahead and killed him now? I mean, now you've got a horde of wildlings on this side of the Wall, and they're probably going to be pissed. Why open the gates?

And on somewhat related note, I think I've kind of realised my problem with the show now, everything is just too bleak. The books had the same bleak atmosphere, especially the last two, but there were some poignant moments that brought hope to the readers, and the show threw them away, cut them or set those moments up the way they've lost all their intended emotional effect. The show also did a great job cutting almost all the big moments / scenes I liked about AFFC and ADWD, like Jaime's final chapter in AFFC, or Asha's last chapter in ADWD (I don't want to post small text, so book readers will know what scenes I'm referring to).

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2015, 12:00:52 PM
If memory serves, his last word in the novel was "Ghost"

You're remembering right, the last word was "Ghost", but the last thought was regarding Arya. It's a little and subtle touch, but this is just the kind of thing I love about the books.

Quote
Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger’s hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. “Ghost,” he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold...
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Post by: faizoff on June 15, 2015, 12:36:11 PM: You post is an example of why I chose not to read books 4 & 5 before season 5 ends. To me the book pacing, inner monologue is a very different device of story telling. I prefer the show format of things and whatever choices they end up making on trying to display. To me I get a bigger impact when watching things unfold rather than read about it.

Regarding the Arya- Jon relationship, they did touch upon it this season in episode 4 I think it was when Arya has to throw Needle in the sea but decides not to. To me that perfectly encapsulated the relationship between the two. In fact when Jon was stabbed honest to god, that's one of the things I thought of.
The way I approach the books now is that I want to read them to get a better in depth perspective and richer back story of the lands and characters, something which is limited for the show.

If you haven't yet I really suggest you listen to the audio commentaries by GRRM on the boxsets, in some of them he describes the many challenges of translating the book material to the show even when he has to write episodes for the show. His initial version of first episode he wrote in season one would've cost the entire budget of the series.
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Post by: Evermind on June 15, 2015, 12:50:26 PM: Well, I prefer the book format of things. ;) But don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying the show (though I think this has been the worst season so far).

Quote from: faizoff on June 15, 2015, 12:36:11 PM
Regarding the Arya- Jon relationship, they did touch upon it this season in episode 4 I think it was when Arya has to throw Needle in the sea but decides not to. To me that perfectly encapsulated the relationship between the two. In fact when Jon was stabbed honest to god, that's one of the things I thought of.

Yeah, that was that moment the show-writers told us in the Inside the Episode feature that Needle for Arya was a symbol of revenge, and apparently not a reminder of Jon Snow's smile. I've mentioned it in the post above. The scene was well done though, props to Maisie for great acting.

And yeah, I understand the adaptation problems as well, but some of the decisions they do just make no sense. Why cut the Riverlands storyline for this Dorne nonsense? If you wanted to include Dorne, why cut Arianne, who is, in my opinion one of the most interesting characters there, do a total 180 on Ellaria's motives, reduce Doran's lines and screentime to a minimum (fire and blood speech, anyone?), and include over-the-top cartoonish Sand Snakes (to be fair, I hated them in the book too, so there's consistency)

In the interviews before this season (I think) they've said how they've spend a lot of money and time on making the Hall of Faces, making sure to make every of the six hundred faces unique. The Hall of Faces was featured in what, three scenes this season? And there's more stuff like that. But some decisions they make are good or even great, I mean, Hardhome fight wasn't shown in the books and I really liked it, so there's that.

The first season had a low budget, and it was great. Even the invented dialogue was mostly amazing, and the scenes with two actors D&D had to write to fill up the time for some episodes were great. Now we're getting "You want the good girl, but you need the bad pussy". Granted, the first book was the most adaptable of them all, and books 4 and 5 are the least adaptable, but my problem is not that they've cut a lot of filler (because as much as I like AFFC and ADWD, there is filler in them), but that they've substituted the book-filler with their own invented show-filler, and while they sure can write things, they're not as accomplished writers as GRRM is (again, all my opinion here). I think that's why this season ended up a bit on the weak side.

I will of course watch and enjoy the show further, but I really hope TWOW comes out before S6, even though there's like 1% chance for that. :lol
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Post by: faizoff on June 15, 2015, 01:47:28 PM: Quote from: Evermind on June 15, 2015, 12:50:26 PM
Why cut the Riverlands storyline for this Dorne nonsense? If you wanted to include Dorne, why cut Arianne, who is, in my opinion one of the most interesting characters there, do a total 180 on Ellaria's motives, reduce Doran's lines and screentime to a minimum (fire and blood speech, anyone?), and include over-the-top cartoonish Sand Snakes (to be fair, I hated them in the book too, so there's consistency)

That's just it, having not read the book I have no idea which plot line is better or preferred or better adaptable. I just watch the choice of story as it unfolds and choose to take it or leave it. I can go back to the books and read and think 'Oh hey look some other plot lines' So I have a show version and a book version and can enjoy both.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2015, 08:01:08 PM: (https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/FBFB0445-FF2A-421B-B20B-DDD1A404186A.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/FBFB0445-FF2A-421B-B20B-DDD1A404186A.jpg.html)
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 15, 2015, 11:39:45 PM: It's nice to read all your guys thoughts and theories on the show.

I don't want to say that was a great episode. Frustrating, yes. Extremely frustrating.

Arya's part was my favourite, seriously. That was some badass Cutty McStabstab.
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Post by: Zydar on June 16, 2015, 01:08:42 AM: Next season, on Two And A Half Men:

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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 16, 2015, 03:05:50 AM: Wow, I got really, really pissed off at my screen when that final scene went black. F*ck you, showrunners, I said. A Big F*ck YOU! I don't care if all of castle black is overrun by White Walkers, Wargs, Weights, and every f'in troll in Westeros. Who cares? There's really no one left to care about anymore. Couldn't even watch the end credits after that.

Walk of shame was really well done, although I would have at least tried to grab that razor from that woman and stick it in her eye... one thing's for sure, people are going to suffer for that!

It's a hard show to love, is what I'm trying to say, I guess. But off course, I'll be back next season.
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Post by: faizoff on June 16, 2015, 03:58:48 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/jbpZfva.jpg)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 16, 2015, 05:33:15 AM: I have friends that stopped watching after Red Wedding. I loved every second of that despite having characters I cared for. This last episode were no diffrent for me. There are no long lasting heroes or saints in GoT and nobody is safe including kings or leaders.

I was rooting for Jon though but I still had that itch that something was brewing.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 16, 2015, 05:51:53 AM: There are quite a few reasons why I don't think Jon Snow's character is done. They might not weigh heavily individually but together I think they present a pretty solid case. Correct me if there are any mistakes or any things I left out.

1. There is no way that we or Jon Snow himself doesn't find out his true parentage, especially considering that was the question that GRRM posed to D&D before giving them the rights to make the show.

2. Lady Melisandre has said in the show and book that when she looks into the fires and asks about Azor Ahai, she only sees snow.

3. In episode 8, he kills a White Walker with a Valryian Steel sword and the Night King takes a sudden interest in Jon Snow.

4. In the book, he says "Ghost" just before he "dies". Some think this means he wargs into Ghost before it's too late.

5. Many believe Jon is the Song of Ice and Fire, being descended from both Starks and Targaryens. There is a big theory going around the Internet about a marriage many years ago between the Starks and an Other bride that created a truce between the men and Others. Men broke that truce and is the real reason why The Others are coming south.

6. There were three photos that leaked onto the Internet before the season finale. One was of Selyse Baratheon with the noose around her neck, one was Cersei with her short hair, and there were two of Jon Snow "dead." However one of the Jon Snow photos had his eyes warged which could line up with the book ending. Some say that second photo of Jon was fake. However, it could also be that they decided not to show that part because they really wanted everyone to think he was truly dead.

7. Melisandre says that she looks in the fires and sees Bolton banners burning at Winterfell. Obviously that didn't happen with Stannis, so what if she brings back Jon and because he died he is free of his Night's Watch vows and is able to become Jon Stark and takes Winterfell from the Bolton's. With what army you ask? I was puzzled about that one too. Then this morning I wondered what Tormund's reaction would be if he learned that the man who saved his people was killed by his own brothers, most of whom hated the wildings. Does he rally the wildlings to Jon's cause?

Just some thoughts.
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Post by: faizoff on June 16, 2015, 06:21:42 AM: Good thoughts and I'm sure it's in line with what several people believe. This gives me flashbacks to when theories on the show Lost were being posted all over the place, well even for True Detective for that matter. I can only think that it will ultimately lead to disappointment of sorts when expectations of any kinda aren't met. It's kinda the reason why I stopped speculating or read theories or anything. I just watch what comes and process it later. I feel I personally enjoy things a lot more that way. Doesn't mean I'm saying making theories is a bad thing.
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Post by: faizoff on June 16, 2015, 06:41:26 AM: ..and while we're speculating, if bringing people back to life is indeed what's in store for the show then I think they'll do that in season 7. I think next season will all be about getting Dani across the sea and deal with the remaining threads left from this season (Cersei's revenge on sparrow & dealing with Dorne/Bolton's reign challenged/search for Sansa&Theon/whatever the storyline with the Ironborn is/ The Knights watch fallout.., among other things)
My suspicion is that Bran and all the magic stuff might mostly be regulated to the last season.

I could be completely wrong which I probably will be.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 16, 2015, 07:11:25 AM: Well, off course, Jon has warged before. So it seems logical to do it again. I think it's best to just wait and see what next season will bring.
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Post by: faizoff on June 16, 2015, 08:00:49 AM: What do you mean Jon has warged before? Are you talking about the show or book?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2015, 08:11:27 AM: I don't remember offhand John warging.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 16, 2015, 08:29:05 AM: When did jon warg?
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 16, 2015, 08:43:28 AM: Sorry, my mistake, that was Bran.... :blush
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 16, 2015, 08:43:51 AM: Yup, he´s dead....
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 16, 2015, 08:44:52 AM: Well it was an eventful finale. Even though I knew most of what was coming, the death of Jon Snow here hit much harder than in the book. Though I am a bit annoyed that Allister Thorne was behind it (I quite liked the idea that even though he was a dick and disagreed with Jon Snow he was willing to work with him - him killing Jon Snow can easily now be seen as part of that personal vendetta, although I think it probably was meant to be "For the watch" in his mind), and that it lingered so much on Olly stabbing him (I think the character was fine in season 4, he was extremely annoying in season 5 though). I suppose there aren't really any other Night's Watch characters other than Ser Allister to use, and better that it at least was clear that it was long standing members of the Night's Watch doing the deed than making it all about fucking Olly. Olly luring Jon Snow to be stabbed by the other Night's Watch members was actually good (or as good of their use of Olly was going to get), they should have just left it that rather than focusing so much on him stabbing him as well...

Possible spoilers from the books ahead, although I am only talking about the details that have already been done in the show or appear to have been changed.

Most annoying part about this finale was actually the fact that it was so similar to the end of the current books, which I don't think ended particularly strongly :lol: The Dorne storyline is unrecognisable, Brienne, Jaime and Sansa are far from their current status in the books because they were brought into other plots, but apart from that:

- Daenerys out in the wilderness with Drogon, gets confronted with a horde of Dothraki. Will they capture her? Kill her? Will Drogon try to roast them? Will they see the dragon and make her their leader? Don't know.
- Cersei completes Walk Of Shame and gets back to the Red Keep. She is still on trial for crimes by the faith, but may I introduce the newest member of the Kingsguard (perhaps news of Meryn Trant's death got back to KL pretty quickly in the show, or else the requirement for there to be seven Kingsgaurd are more just guidelines ;) ).
- Jon Snow. "For The Watch". Olly doesn't exist, Ser Allister Thorne is elsewhere, so it's Bowen Marsh and the rest of the generic Night's Watch extras that stab him, who knows how many times ("He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold")

These are the biggest storylines across books 4 and 5, and for all three the last scene was the same as the last pages of the last chapter of each character. With the show deviating from and outpacing the books I wondered if I might get a little bit extra, but it's basically the same cliffhanger-ish ending from the books. Jon Snow's ending might seem like it is pretty firmly resolved, but as with when I read it in the books it just seems impossible for that to be the end of Jon Snow's story. In this case, him coming back is not just denial or a pipe dream - in the books with all the lore, foreshadowing and prophecy there is a lot of evidence for it, and GRRM has been pretty liberal with resurrections and fake-out deaths in the books (something the show has avoided so far). It makes sense in the story for Jon to come back, and I'd go as far as to say that it is just bad writing if GRRM is permanently killing off Jon Snow at this point. Seeing the interview with Kit Harrington where he says he is not returning next season is the first time I've been slightly worreid Jon Snow might be permanently dead, but I've got to think that's just misdirection to not give away what happens immediately.

As well as those stories we've got the battle of Winterfell which has not been resolved (at least on page) in the books, but Theon jumping off the wall with Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is the ending of his last chapter in book 5. Book 5 also ends with Jon Snow recieving word that the Boltons won the battle of Winterfell, Stannis is dead, Ramsay is king of the world etc., as has happened in the show, but in the books the battle hasn't been shown so most readers think that this information was false. So the show is deviating (or going ahead of the books) with how that turned out, but basically the books end with the battle for Winterfell completely unresolved...

There's also stragglers in Meereen. Tyrion didn't meet Daenerys in the books yet, and in fact just escaped from being a slave towards the end of book 5. Things are different at Meereen because as well as the Sons of the Harpy killing people in the city, it is literally beseiged by an army from the various pro-slaver factions nearby. Tyrion looks to be aligning himself with a mercenary company (one of two Daenerys picked up at Yunkai, along witn the company led by Daario. In the show the mercenaries were condensed into one company led by Daario), who will fight in the battle of Meereen against the pro-slaver army. My guess is that after they win the battle Tyrion will find himself in a position of some authority to clean up the mess in Meereen while Daenerys is lost in the wilderness - roughly the same as what has happened in the show. Basically, as of the end of ADWD the overall situations in Winterfell and Meereen are unresolved clusterfucks, left that way not because it was a particularly good ending point but because the book had literally got too long so GRRM and his editors chopped off the battle at each city (sometimes known as the "Battle of Ice" and "Battle of Fire" in the fandom) and moved them to book 6.

This season had some great stuff in it, and some real flaws. Some of that's down to the events of book 4 and 5 just making for a weaker story than the earlier books, some of that's due to additions and changes of the show being worse (Dorne being the main offender here), and some of that, I think, is because it is ending essentially where the current books end, rather than in previous seasons where they were more free to end each storyline a little bit before or after the end of the same storyline in the books. But I remain very hopeful for the show going forward, most notably because of Hardhome - that was basically original material for the show, and it was one of the best parts of the entire series. To me that demonstrates that when it comes to the conflict against the White Walkers, the show can do its own thing and do it well, so as we get closer to the end we will hopefully see the simplified version of Martin's ever-sprawling political story get more focused on that.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2015, 08:59:49 AM: Count me in on the team that says IF Jon Snow is dead it's just poor storytelling. Like RuRoRul and others have said....all the signs and foreshadowing of 'who' he is and his significance in the overall story....killing off his character for good, more than any other character....would be an utter travesty to the show/story and IMO would diminish the show/story. I get that GM and CO. like to keep things 'real' by consistently offing important characters....but a story HAS to have some glimmer of hope and pinning it soley on Dany and Tyrion at this point would be foolish IMO. Plus....I don't think Jon Snow was 'dead' per say in that last clip....dying yes, dead....ehh...

I'm sure Kit Harrington and Co. are obligated to throw as much misdirection to the situation as possible but sooner or later we will know for sure because they will begin filming for next season and there's no way IF he is indeed resurrected or whatever that they can keep him being on set a secret for an entire season of filming.
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Post by: faizoff on June 16, 2015, 09:32:40 AM: Some of these seem staged but a few are hilarious, esp at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj2MrqQzi0A
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Post by: Genowyn on June 16, 2015, 09:46:55 AM: I'm not sure that Jon has ever warged with the degree of control that Bran can, but he has had the wolf dreams (in the books, because on the TV show they're like "hey, who needs all these boring dreams and prophecies and flashbacks") which is a sign of the ability. At least he should be able to chill out in Ghost's body for a bit while Melisandre gets him living again. We also know that if a warg's body dies while they are warging their consciousness will carry on in the host (like Varamyr Sixskins).
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Post by: FracturedMirror on June 16, 2015, 10:10:24 AM: A lot happened in that finale, but as a book-reading fan of a certain pair of brothers the highlight for me was when this guy showed up:

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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 16, 2015, 10:38:54 AM: Franken-Mountain :metal

Kill everybody
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Post by: Implode on June 16, 2015, 10:57:29 AM: So is he basically the GoT version of Bane? (90's Bane of course)
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Post by: Evermind on June 16, 2015, 11:08:57 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 16, 2015, 09:46:55 AM
I'm not sure that Jon has ever warged with the degree of control that Bran can, but he has had the wolf dreams (in the books, because on the TV show they're like "hey, who needs all these boring dreams and prophecies and flashbacks") which is a sign of the ability. At least he should be able to chill out in Ghost's body for a bit while Melisandre gets him living again. We also know that if a warg's body dies while they are warging their consciousness will carry on in the host (like Varamyr Sixskins).

Yeah, Jon is nowhere near Bran's level, but he definitely warged Ghost in the books, as did Arya with that cat and Nymeria.

In fact, (GRRM's words about the warging and Stark children below. Read at your own risk.)

At the Trinoc*Con 8 in August 2007 GRRM explicitly said that all the Stark children of this generation are full wargs, and they're not only able to warg their respective wolves, but can basically warg into anything. The difference in skill between Bran and other children is because "Bran is just the only one working on it".
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Post by: faizoff on June 16, 2015, 01:56:15 PM: Question I've been meaning to ask, is the flashback scene of Cersei at the beginning of season 5 in the books?
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Post by: BlackInk on June 16, 2015, 02:08:01 PM: Quote from: faizoff on June 16, 2015, 01:56:15 PM
Question I've been meaning to ask, is the flashback scene of Cersei at the beginning of season 5 in the books?

It's not straight up flashback, it's told through Cersei remembering the event. But yes, it's there, and contains more information than what the series showed.

Quote from: Evermind on June 16, 2015, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on June 16, 2015, 09:46:55 AM
I'm not sure that Jon has ever warged with the degree of control that Bran can, but he has had the wolf dreams (in the books, because on the TV show they're like "hey, who needs all these boring dreams and prophecies and flashbacks") which is a sign of the ability. At least he should be able to chill out in Ghost's body for a bit while Melisandre gets him living again. We also know that if a warg's body dies while they are warging their consciousness will carry on in the host (like Varamyr Sixskins).

Yeah, Jon is nowhere near Bran's level, but he definitely warged Ghost in the books, as did Arya with that cat and Nymeria.

In fact, (GRRM's words about the warging and Stark children below. Read at your own risk.)

At the Trinoc*Con 8 in August 2007 GRRM explicitly said that all the Stark children of this generation are full wargs, and they're not only able to warg their respective wolves, but can basically warg into anything. The difference in skill between Bran and other children is because "Bran is just the only one working on it".

Yeah, even a warg as powerful as Sixskins said that the gift was very strong with Jon Snow, but that he was just untrained.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2015, 02:58:51 PM: Guess I'll small font just in case?

I can't help but think that the producers/Kit Harrington are actually telling the truth. Jon Snow is dead. But with the whole Melassandra....possible resurrection....Ahor Azib (or whatever the heck his name is) that she does bring him back to life and he's just proclaimed to be a different name in his re-birth. As I said earlier....if that or something along those lines happens....I don't see how they can keep it a secret the entire time they film season 6.
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 16, 2015, 04:01:17 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2015, 08:59:49 AM
Count me in on the team that says IF Jon Snow is dead it's just poor storytelling. Like RuRoRul and others have said....all the signs and foreshadowing of 'who' he is and his significance in the overall story....killing off his character for good, more than any other character....would be an utter travesty to the show/story and IMO would diminish the show/story.
Yep, this is kind of how I felt both after watching and reading it. There are other very main and important characters in the story but even if Daenerys or Tyrion were to be killed off quite abruptly at this point, it could still be fine. But with Jon Snow, it's different for two key reasons: you have the question of his parentage and the foreshadowing of that from the first book (which would probably be rendered pointless if he died) and the fact that he is basically the only major character at the Wall and trying to fight the Others / White Walkers, which has been built up as the main end game conflict. In the books, the only POV character at the Wall other than him is Melisandre (who had a single POV chapter), in the show you have Melisandre and Davos (plus Tormund, while not a POV character, is a fairly major personality in the show that I suppose could carry a storyline briefly). To basically leave the Wall and White Walker storyline unattended for who knows how long (especially after the Night's King scene in the show) would be awful, imo.

Other characters still have their own personal arcs to play out and may be key roles in the overall plot of the story, but the only other character I can think of that it'd be so pointless to kill off right now is maybe Bran - being the character we started the story with and just beginning to learn how to use the power that has been built up since the beginning of the story. But even Bran is very much in the periphery right now, while Jon Snow and the Night's Watch vs. White Walkers is so central.

I will add that this is the first major character death that has been right at the end of a season like this. Comparable deaths like Ned Stark or Robb and Catelyn Stark, the very next episode we got to see the reaction to them being dead. The only major character death I can think of that was in a season finale was Tywin, and he was pretty much an antagonist character, and his death was very much from the perspective of Tyrion killing him rather than from his perspective dying, we had the bells ringing as Tyrion fled the city, etc. This time a major character being attacked and killed by minor characters was the last scene at the end of a season. A character's death has rarely not been made final leaving us to wonder between seasons.

Edit: Forgot the Hound. Although once again, he wasn't the main character in the scene / storyline.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 16, 2015, 04:17:47 PM: The hounds death is also left open
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 16, 2015, 05:13:32 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 16, 2015, 02:08:01 PM
Quote from: faizoff on June 16, 2015, 01:56:15 PM
Question I've been meaning to ask, is the flashback scene of Cersei at the beginning of season 5 in the books?

It's not straight up flashback, it's told through Cersei remembering the event. But yes, it's there, and contains more information than what the series showed.

They left out the most important question in my opinion in the show. She asks how she will die. I believe the witch says she will be strangled by the Valonqar which in Valyrian means "younger brother". So it's either Tyrion, Jaime, or symbolically The Hound if he is still alive and is used by The Faith as their champion in the trial by combat which is another theory circling the Internet.
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Post by: Evermind on June 16, 2015, 10:30:27 PM: And I think they also omitted Melara's (second girl) questions. She asks something along the lines "how / when will I die?" and the answer she gets is that her death is in this room right now. Cersei drowns her in the well later.

I don't think Cersei straight up asks how she will die, I seem to recall Valonqar stuff was a bonus part of the other answer. Could be wrong though, I don't remember this scene very well.
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Post by: FracturedMirror on June 17, 2015, 03:44:22 PM: Quote from: Implode on June 16, 2015, 10:57:29 AM
So is he basically the GoT version of Bane? (90's Bane of course)

I don't know enough about Bane to say for sure.
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Post by: faizoff on June 17, 2015, 08:21:28 PM: I thought this was a pretty good roundup on where the books and show are compared to each other.
https://www.mtv.com/news/2187928/game-of-thrones-books/
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Post by: BlackInk on June 17, 2015, 10:43:51 PM: I thought Obara's exposition backstory was pretty clunky in the show, but I just re-read that chapter from AFFC the other day and honestly, it's just as clumsily delivered in the books.
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Post by: Evermind on June 17, 2015, 11:02:42 PM: Yeah, well, Sand Snakes weren't much better in the books. That's why the choice to cast them and cut Arianne baffles me. And honestly, they've got Alexander Siddig as Doran. I don't know why they're not giving him screentime at all.

As someone at westeros.org said, "they wanted to make Sand Snakes badass, but somehow made them bad pussies instead". :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2015, 01:34:34 AM: The problem is there just isn't enough to go off of besides the two Dorne characters who were cut. I'd imagine there will be more of the Dorne characters the rest of the series to build more of the characters. I do with there was more Doran and Aero Hotah though, those two seem to be solid in the show.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 22, 2015, 11:37:37 AM: An excellent post describing why book readers have been so upset with this season (book spoilers ahead obv):
https://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/121872735796/unabashed-book-snobbery-3-got-s5-s-10-most
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Post by: Evermind on June 22, 2015, 11:40:25 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on June 22, 2015, 11:37:37 AM
An excellent post describing why book readers have been so upset with this season (book spoilers ahead obv):
https://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/121872735796/unabashed-book-snobbery-3-got-s5-s-10-most

This tumblr blog is mostly brilliant. "Your Sister of the Canals" line from S5E07 post still makes me laugh whenever I think of it. :rollin
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Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2015, 02:12:06 AM: I just realized something. We didn't see the Iron Throne once this season, which is a first.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2015, 04:43:24 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 28, 2015, 02:12:06 AM
I just realized something. We didn't see the Iron Throne once this season, which is a first.

Really? I didn't even notice but that's actually kind of cool and probably symbolic of its meaningless in the real war.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2015, 05:01:02 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 28, 2015, 02:12:06 AM
I just realized something. We didn't see the Iron Throne once this season, which is a first.
Tommen isn't man enough to sit on it.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2015, 06:10:44 PM: https://www.idigitaltimes.com/game-thrones-season-6-premiere-directors-have-read-winds-winter-release-date-may-be-453750 (https://www.idigitaltimes.com/game-thrones-season-6-premiere-directors-have-read-winds-winter-release-date-may-be-453750)

Good to know the show runners will have legit GRRM material to base next season off of and hopefully true that an almost finished book 6 exists. Also on a personal note, just picked up The World of Ice and Fire book which is huge and beautiful.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2015, 11:03:07 PM: That is something I've been wondering about a lot. Really good to know.

And yes, the WoIaF book is wonderful.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 09:06:46 AM: Yea makes for a good coffee table book and I'm excited to slowly over time learn about the history of the world. There seems to be a ridiculously large amount of story's in there.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 29, 2015, 10:30:17 AM: Indeed, the world Martin has created is truly impressive in it's complexity.

The bits about the far east are really cool as well, because they're so mysterious and far away from the story we know. So that stuff was a lot of fun to read. Even if it's just one sentence or two about some place so far away that people in Westeros don't even know if it's actually real or not.
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Post by: faizoff on July 05, 2015, 11:17:28 AM: Sometimes I wish they had filmed season six along with five just to have all this non stop speculation whether Jon Snow's coming back or not.
https://time.com/3945898/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-kit-harrington/
Now normally I can avoid all of this stuff, but it's literally everywhere on my news feeds and is becoming harder and harder to stay away from.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 05, 2015, 12:33:03 PM: He is coming back because he is Azor Ahai Reborn.

Not that the show seeded any of that but why would the show ever think ahead /grumblingabouttheshow

note: this is speculation (very well founded speculation) and not spoilers
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Post by: BlackInk on July 05, 2015, 01:33:03 PM: I wish they won't address all that on the show, but they probably will at some point. Ancient prophecies are so boring and cliche and it is one of my least favorite aspect of the books. The story of Azor Ahai/The Last Hero and Lightbringer and the Long Night are really cool, but I'm not very fond of this 'destined to be reborn' stuff. I hope it turns out to all be false.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 05, 2015, 02:35:10 PM: I think that would be a controversial opinion amongst most Ice and Fire fans. Westeros.org would lose its collective mind if none of the prophecies come true (though some already have).
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Post by: BlackInk on July 05, 2015, 04:00:07 PM: I would just like there to be a fantasy story without some grand prophecy for once.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 05, 2015, 05:40:20 PM: There's not a lot of prophecy per se in Kingkiller Chronicles, but a lot of extremely cryptic information about the lore.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 12:31:02 PM: I guess this is potential spoilers? not really sure, but related to season 6 and who showed up for pre-production

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kit-harington-belfast_55ae6b1ae4b0a9b9485290d2?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kit-harington-belfast_55ae6b1ae4b0a9b9485290d2?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 21, 2015, 02:16:12 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 12:31:02 PM
I guess this is potential spoilers? not really sure, but related to season 6 and who showed up for pre-production

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kit-harington-belfast_55ae6b1ae4b0a9b9485290d2?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kit-harington-belfast_55ae6b1ae4b0a9b9485290d2?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)

As for me....I don't think I've ever not believed this wouldn't be the case. As I mentioned somewhere after the season ended....it'd be poor storytelling if Jon Snow was indeed dead
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 02:23:32 PM: Agreed, I also think they could have done it so that if he is still alive, that he was killed maybe in the beginning of the last episode and then brought back to life or however they do it at the end of the episode. Just so there isn't all the talk and following of the actor to see where he is, which ends up spoiling it all anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 21, 2015, 07:42:58 PM: If Benioff and Weiss are smart (though based on last season I'm not putting too much faith in that) they would have him come by even if he's dead, just to create that ambiguity.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 05:30:54 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 21, 2015, 07:42:58 PM
If Benioff and Weiss are smart (though based on last season I'm not putting too much faith in that) they would have him come by even if he's dead, just to create that ambiguity.

But according to them, there is no ambiguity. They all say he is dead. Regardless, it would be a huge mind fuck to get all this news that he is there (assumed filming) and then not have him in the show at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on July 22, 2015, 08:11:02 AM: Jon Snow is dead. However, I'd bet a million dollars that he'll be brought back to life. There was never a doubt in my mind that he would be back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 08:22:07 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on July 22, 2015, 08:11:02 AM
Jon Snow is dead. However, I'd bet a million dollars that he'll be brought back to life. There was never a doubt in my mind that he would be back.

I dont think many disagree with this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 22, 2015, 08:52:59 AM: I have a hunch it'll be....Jon Snow is resurrected and "reborn" in which he'll assume a new name and all the GoT producers/writers and Kit Harrington can say "We weren't lying...Jon Snow IS indeed still dead".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 08:57:40 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 22, 2015, 08:52:59 AM
I have a hunch it'll be....Jon Snow is resurrected and "reborn" in which he'll assume a new name and all the GoT producers/writers and Kit Harrington can say "We weren't lying...Jon Snow IS indeed still dead".

Bingo. Im guessing Azor Ahai or Jon Stark or Jon Targaryan. He will be legitimized (not sure how yet, but lots of speculation that we will be getting flashbacks next season on how he was born) and by his "death" be released from his vows of the NW. That's the popular fan theory and I believe it. Then he will take his wilding army and march to Winterfell. :corn
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 22, 2015, 09:24:53 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 05:30:54 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on July 21, 2015, 07:42:58 PM
If Benioff and Weiss are smart (though based on last season I'm not putting too much faith in that) they would have him come by even if he's dead, just to create that ambiguity.

But according to them, there is no ambiguity. They all say he is dead. Regardless, it would be a huge mind fuck to get all this news that he is there (assumed filming) and then not have him in the show at all.

That's what I'm saying. And whether they like it or not there was ambiguity - Harrington had been spotted in public with Jon Snow hair, which he had cut short before, and that started even more speculation that he was not permanently dead.

And of course I've never thought he was dead. He is Azor Ahai. He is the Prince That Was Promised and his is the Song of Ice and Fire... oh wait the show didn't include that part haha ok whatever
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 11:04:08 AM: I think The Prince That Was Promised prophecy may end up coming up next season. If they do a flashback, it could be shown. A flashback that could happen via Bran or it could just be Azor Ahai which I think is in the show, Melissandre believed it to be Stannis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 22, 2015, 12:00:59 PM: I just don't see why they felt the need to cut it from the House of the Undying. That was one of the best sequences in the books, and they changed it into something pointless and stupid and killed Pyat Pree and Xaro Xhoan Daxos.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 12:18:45 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 22, 2015, 12:00:59 PM
I just don't see why they felt the need to cut it from the House of the Undying. That was one of the best sequences in the books, and they changed it into something pointless and stupid and killed Pyat Pree and Xaro Xhoan Daxos.

Killing those two so far has no impact to the story. Why was that prophecy left out? That's a good question. Maybe they leave that out completely.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 22, 2015, 12:20:20 PM: Benioff and Weiss at some point stated they didn't want to do any of the flashbacks, dreams, or prophecies. OF course they already have not followed that policy so yeah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 24, 2015, 05:36:11 PM: The wait is already getting unbearable for me and I'm so curious how the commentaries for the season 5 boxset will go, as always can't wait!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 31, 2015, 06:22:54 AM: The HBO president is indicating that GOT might be headed for a total of 8 seasons. Talk also about a prequel of sorts. I guess I wouldn't mind, the more the merrier.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2015, 07:14:47 AM: Quote from: faizoff on July 31, 2015, 06:22:54 AM
The HBO president is indicating that GOT might be headed for a total of 8 seasons. Talk also about a prequel of sorts. I guess I wouldn't mind, the more the merrier.

He also said 'dead is dead is dead is dead, Jon Snow is dead'.

And the prequel idea could be very interesting....lots of material there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on July 31, 2015, 08:36:12 AM: Well, the Season 6 Synopsis on GOT wiki says

Quote
The leading Night's Watch officers, increasingly upset at Jon's proposed alliance with the wildlings, have staged a mutiny "for the Watch" and stabbed Jon multiple times until he fell.

I would think if he's dead they would've stated it plainly. "Until he fell" is vague as hell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 31, 2015, 09:20:46 AM: Prequel eh?

Dunk and Egg?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2015, 09:21:44 AM: lol thats really poor wording. Even if he isnt dead, they should still say it because thats how it was portrayed and supposed to be seen as.

As for 8 seasons, I guess that means they felt they can't finish this story in two more seasons as 7 was the number talked about the last couple years. That's fine by me as long as it doesnt dilute the story, but I doubt it considering how much has been left out so far.

A prequal type of show might be really cool. There was always talk amongst fans about doing a Robert's Rebeliion show, but GRRM said that would be pointless because by the end of the series we will know how that truly went down anyway. But it would be cool to see those actors again. Either way, there's plenty of other backstory in the world that they could use or create.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on July 31, 2015, 09:38:55 AM: Quote from: faizoff on July 31, 2015, 06:22:54 AM
The HBO president is indicating that GOT might be headed for a total of 8 seasons.

This makes me super happy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 31, 2015, 12:44:41 PM: With season six already being written and currently being shot I wonder if the decision to make it 3 more seasons was done before the shooting began. That way I'd imagine story lines could be stretched and fleshed out more if they need to be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2015, 01:42:28 PM: Quote from: faizoff on July 31, 2015, 12:44:41 PM
With season six already being written and currently being shot I wonder if the decision to make it 3 more seasons was done before the shooting began. That way I'd imagine story lines could be stretched and fleshed out more if they need to be.

I would think so, if they have all already read the next book, they probably got the idea they need more time and then started writing season 6. That's assuming the rumor is true that the show runners have already read the mostly finished book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 31, 2015, 01:49:04 PM: Was the rumor that they read the entire book? or just that they got the major plot lines and the most important stuff from GRRM.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2015, 01:50:20 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 31, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
Quote from: faizoff on July 31, 2015, 12:44:41 PM
With season six already being written and currently being shot I wonder if the decision to make it 3 more seasons was done before the shooting began. That way I'd imagine story lines could be stretched and fleshed out more if they need to be.

I would think so, if they have all already read the next book, they probably got the idea they need more time and then started writing season 6. That's assuming the rumor is true that the show runners have already read the mostly finished book.

For me and my continued viewership.....it better be the scenario of Jon Snow is dead but he's resurrected as some other name 'Jon Stark'..Azor dude...whatever. Killing off that character or story line would be horrific storytelling and completely sour my appetite for the show. I get the 'no one is safe' theme GRRM has going on, but at some point you have to tie this all together and actually tell a story. Which is what it appears has been done with the Jon snow stuff....if that were to just abruptly end....ehhh....I'd pout about it for some time and consider throwing in the towel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2015, 02:12:49 PM: Quote from: faizoff on July 31, 2015, 01:49:04 PM
Was the rumor that they read the entire book? or just that they got the major plot lines and the most important stuff from GRRM.

So I read an artivle about a month ago saying that one of the directors said he read book 6, but I just googled this and apparently he meant that he read the season 6 transcripts. So yea thats a downer

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-6-director-jack-bender-hints-showrunners-communicate-closely-with-george-rr-martin-10367997.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-6-director-jack-bender-hints-showrunners-communicate-closely-with-george-rr-martin-10367997.html)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 01, 2015, 04:49:07 PM: So, Ian McShane has been cast in a mystery role for season 6.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on August 01, 2015, 04:50:35 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 01, 2015, 04:49:07 PM
So, Ian McShane has been cast in a mystery role for season 6.

I was thinking Euron Greyjoy?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 01, 2015, 04:57:06 PM: Maybe. That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on August 01, 2015, 05:11:22 PM: Indeed, it would. I know there was a casting call out for a character with Euron's description. So it's quite possible...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 01, 2015, 06:26:34 PM: That would be sweet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on August 01, 2015, 09:52:13 PM: There was also a casting call for someone who is presumably Randyll Tarly, could be him as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on August 02, 2015, 03:41:22 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on August 01, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
Indeed, it would. I know there was a casting call out for a character with Euron's description. So it's quite possible...

Well, accoring to the same Season 6 Synopsis, Euron Greyjoy is definitely in.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on August 02, 2015, 09:53:44 AM: I like Euron Greyjoy. His is the only Greyjoy character that I actually like reading.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 02, 2015, 03:16:41 PM: I was unable to contain my fandom, the result was a graph of all the characters and all the episodes they were in and where all of them died.

It's completely useless, but it was fun making.

(https://s21.postimg.org/7nidrw6tz/Go_T_Character_Graph.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 03, 2015, 07:36:27 AM: Wow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on August 03, 2015, 07:45:53 AM: That is really cool BlackInk. If you haven't already you should post it to somewhere like the ASOIAF reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/) or other fan sites, I'm sure other fans would find it interesting to see.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 03, 2015, 09:08:33 AM: Maybe some day I will, but since there practically no real 'point' to the thing I think I'll wait for the show to wrap up, when the graph is complete. Right now it's just a fun thing to open up after each episode, watch it again and fill in the new greens and reds.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2015, 05:32:52 AM: That is cool, I do think someone was keeping track of which characters were in which episodes at https://asoiaf.westeros.org/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 04, 2015, 07:30:45 AM: So now, Max von Sydow has been signed for season 6 - but his role is known: he will be taking over the role of the three-eyed raven/treeman/greenseer who is mentoring Bran.

:metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Bolsters on August 04, 2015, 07:58:48 AM: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on August 04, 2015, 08:07:54 PM: How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?

A thousand eyes, and one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM: More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on August 26, 2015, 03:19:53 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers

I'm not sure if that's so much a spoiler. It's pretty much confirmed. More like an easter egg IMO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:24:35 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on August 26, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers

I'm not sure if that's so much a spoiler. It's pretty much confirmed. More like an easter egg IMO.

How so? There is only theories about his fate, most presumed he died, but we all know if your head is still on your head that you may not be dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on August 27, 2015, 05:26:38 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:24:35 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on August 26, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers

I'm not sure if that's so much a spoiler. It's pretty much confirmed. More like an easter egg IMO.

How so? There is only theories about his fate, most presumed he died, but we all know if your head is still on your head that you may not be dead.

Well, on westeros.org the theory that he's alive is pretty much accepted among the vast majority of the board. What's uncertain is if he has a major role to play in the upcoming novels.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on August 27, 2015, 05:27:52 AM: I wouldn't say there can be anymore spoilers unless you haven't caught up with the show on HBO. So I would definitely say to mention Clegane Bowl is as much a theory for books readers as it is for non-book readers alike.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:36:38 AM: Quote from: Evermind on August 27, 2015, 05:26:38 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:24:35 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on August 26, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers

I'm not sure if that's so much a spoiler. It's pretty much confirmed. More like an easter egg IMO.

How so? There is only theories about his fate, most presumed he died, but we all know if your head is still on your head that you may not be dead.

Well, on westeros.org the theory that he's alive is pretty much accepted among the vast majority of the board. What's uncertain is if he has a major role to play in the upcoming novels.

Its argued often on there. I am not denying it. Just saying its all a theory, spotting the person makes that theory more likely hence a spoiler.... but yea I agree with prog snob, at this point its all just progressing the story and not really "spoiler" anymore in a way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on August 27, 2015, 05:47:47 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:36:38 AM
Quote from: Evermind on August 27, 2015, 05:26:38 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:24:35 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on August 26, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers

I'm not sure if that's so much a spoiler. It's pretty much confirmed. More like an easter egg IMO.

How so? There is only theories about his fate, most presumed he died, but we all know if your head is still on your head that you may not be dead.

Well, on westeros.org the theory that he's alive is pretty much accepted among the vast majority of the board. What's uncertain is if he has a major role to play in the upcoming novels.

Its argued often on there. I am not denying it. Just saying its all a theory, spotting the person makes that theory more likely hence a spoiler.... but yea I agree with prog snob, at this point its all just progressing the story and not really "spoiler" anymore in a way.

Unless of course you mention characters that have now shown up in the show yet, Lady Stoneheart, Euron Greyjoy, Howland Reed, and Aegon Targaryen specifically.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 06:06:49 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on August 27, 2015, 05:47:47 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:36:38 AM
Quote from: Evermind on August 27, 2015, 05:26:38 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:24:35 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on August 26, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers

I'm not sure if that's so much a spoiler. It's pretty much confirmed. More like an easter egg IMO.

How so? There is only theories about his fate, most presumed he died, but we all know if your head is still on your head that you may not be dead.

Well, on westeros.org the theory that he's alive is pretty much accepted among the vast majority of the board. What's uncertain is if he has a major role to play in the upcoming novels.

Its argued often on there. I am not denying it. Just saying its all a theory, spotting the person makes that theory more likely hence a spoiler.... but yea I agree with prog snob, at this point its all just progressing the story and not really "spoiler" anymore in a way.

Unless of course you mention characters that have now shown up in the show yet, Lady Stoneheart, Euron Greyjoy, Howland Reed, and Aegon Targaryen specifically.

Yup, I think one of those is showing up next season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on August 27, 2015, 06:09:30 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 06:06:49 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on August 27, 2015, 05:47:47 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:36:38 AM
Quote from: Evermind on August 27, 2015, 05:26:38 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:24:35 AM
Quote from: Genowyn on August 26, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 26, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers

I'm not sure if that's so much a spoiler. It's pretty much confirmed. More like an easter egg IMO.

How so? There is only theories about his fate, most presumed he died, but we all know if your head is still on your head that you may not be dead.

Well, on westeros.org the theory that he's alive is pretty much accepted among the vast majority of the board. What's uncertain is if he has a major role to play in the upcoming novels.

Its argued often on there. I am not denying it. Just saying its all a theory, spotting the person makes that theory more likely hence a spoiler.... but yea I agree with prog snob, at this point its all just progressing the story and not really "spoiler" anymore in a way.

Unless of course you mention characters that have now shown up in the show yet, Lady Stoneheart, Euron Greyjoy, Howland Reed, and Aegon Targaryen specifically.

Yup, I think one of those is showing up next season.

I am hoping it's the only Greyjoy I find interesting to read about. The rest just bore me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 06:37:49 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on August 27, 2015, 06:09:30 AM
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More 'theory' talk....pretty neat, like the rest of them. Don't click if you don't want to be 'spoiled'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-snow-theory-game-of-thrones_55dcbb45e4b04ae49704bcf3?kvcommref=mostpopular

Read that today as well, very interesting and actually has legit possibilities to it.

I read last night that a certain actor was spotted in one of the filming locations.... The Hound!! What a spoiler that would be if he is alive for the book readers

I'm not sure if that's so much a spoiler. It's pretty much confirmed. More like an easter egg IMO.

How so? There is only theories about his fate, most presumed he died, but we all know if your head is still on your head that you may not be dead.

Well, on westeros.org the theory that he's alive is pretty much accepted among the vast majority of the board. What's uncertain is if he has a major role to play in the upcoming novels.

Its argued often on there. I am not denying it. Just saying its all a theory, spotting the person makes that theory more likely hence a spoiler.... but yea I agree with prog snob, at this point its all just progressing the story and not really "spoiler" anymore in a way.

Unless of course you mention characters that have now shown up in the show yet, Lady Stoneheart, Euron Greyjoy, Howland Reed, and Aegon Targaryen specifically.

Yup, I think one of those is showing up next season.

I am hoping it's the only Greyjoy I find interesting to read about. The rest just bore me.

Yup, from the casting call it appears that is who is showing up although that is speculation as far as I am aware, but pretty certain. I try not to follow too closely since I would rather be surprised, but I can't help it when headlines pop up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 26, 2015, 02:05:43 PM: So I just learnt that the season 5 bluray release is not mid feb of next year as is the usual release cycle about 2 months before the new season airs, but in mid march of next year. Grrrr. one extra month of waiting, though I guess a small consolation would be that the new season would air in a few weeks after the release as opposed to a couple of months later.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on October 27, 2015, 02:22:10 PM: Excited about Ian McShane! Some cocksuckers in the North need some salon style beating heh
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 28, 2015, 09:24:11 AM: I dont know if this is spoilers or not, but one of the "questionable" deaths from the season 5 finale has apparently been confirmed as legit by GRRM.

Stannis apparently was in fact killed by Brienne

https://www.enstarz.com/articles/115387/20151023/game-of-thrones-cast-news-stannis-death-confirmed-was-character-killed-in-season-5-finale-photo.htm (https://www.enstarz.com/articles/115387/20151023/game-of-thrones-cast-news-stannis-death-confirmed-was-character-killed-in-season-5-finale-photo.htm)

While the show runners have been saying this, they've also said Jon Snow is dead which we all know is not going to be the case and also GRRM has confirmed Stannis is still alive in the books so that is why his death was still questionable. Regardless, I'd imagine he dies soon in the next book as the pink letter does seem to be legit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on October 28, 2015, 04:15:15 PM: I thought it was a forthcoming book ABOUT the show that confirmed that and not GRRM.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 28, 2015, 05:17:43 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on October 28, 2015, 04:15:15 PM
I thought it was a forthcoming book ABOUT the show that confirmed that and not GRRM.

Yea the link I used stated that the confirmation was from the book based on the show (not GRRM), but there was another article I couldnt find today where GRRM wrote an open letter to all of the dead characters on the show who arent dead in the books, and he was included (yet Jon Snow was not).

As for next season, there have been spoilers out there about casting and filming locations which I have mostly avoided, but a few of the things I did read about have got me excited.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 29, 2015, 06:55:52 PM: Perhaps that character is really going to die in the books, which would break my heart because he is the one true king of Westeros.

However it will absolutely NOT be handled how it was in the show. For one the character responsible is >1000 miles away from him. The circumstances, meaning, and consequences of that death will be quite different in the books.

The TV show is bad fanfic.
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 29, 2015, 07:10:15 PM: I wouldn't say the TV show as a whole is bad fanfic, but the fifth season certainly felt like that!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 29, 2015, 07:21:38 PM: For me each season gets better than the previous. Season 4 is my absolute favorite with the 5 a very close second. I'm already in crazy GOT mood and have rewatching all episodes already!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 29, 2015, 07:41:22 PM: Quote from: faizoff on October 29, 2015, 07:21:38 PM
For me each season gets better than the previous. Season 4 is my absolute favorite with the 5 a very close second. I'm already in crazy GOT mood and have rewatching all episodes already!

I just don't understand...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 29, 2015, 09:47:56 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on October 29, 2015, 06:55:52 PM
The TV show is bad fanfic.

well...

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I just don't understand...

neither do I
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 12:40:44 AM: Have you read the books?

And even if you haven't season 5 was just terrible. Nothing anyone did made any sense (please try to explain to me how Littlefinger's plans were not completely idiotic) people teleported, what was the point of Dorne exactly?

Personally I feel the exact opposite of you. The show has been getting worse each season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tyrias on October 30, 2015, 04:49:37 AM: As someone who has read the books, I think the show has gotten better with each Season, up until 4. While Season 5 had some of the series best episodes (e.g. Hardhome, which is probably a top3 episdoe for me), there were some things dragging it down very much. The whole Dorne plotline for example. I felt like they knew books 4 and 5 were just largely not convertible into a TV-series and just tried to make it as concise as possible and keep the disaster that is some parts of Season 5 as short as possible so that they could go on with the good stuff afterwards.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on October 30, 2015, 05:06:10 AM: Quote from: Tyrias on October 30, 2015, 04:49:37 AM
As someone who has read the books, I think the show has gotten better with each Season, up until 4. While Season 5 had some of the series best episodes (e.g. Hardhome, which is probably a top3 episdoe for me), there were some things dragging it down very much. The whole Dorne plotline for example. I felt like they knew books 4 and 5 were just largely not convertible into a TV-series and just tried to make it as concise as possible and keep the disaster that is some parts of Season 5 as short as possible so that they could go on with the good stuff afterwards.
I would agree with this. (Well, I don't know if I would rank the first 4 seasons 4>3>2>1 exactly, but I think there was at least a sense the show as a whole was improving or maintaining its overall level of quality). Season 5 had bigger flaws than the previous season, but then possibly the best individual episode of the show (Hardhome - the bulk of which was completely original show material) and was overall pretty good. I think they struggled with doing book 4 and 5 where GRRM basically expanded the story even more and in some cases things moved at a glacial pace - the show really could not afford to do the same and took a lot of shortcuts and alternative routes, some of which worked fine but others ended up rushed and pretty bad (primarily Dorne imo).

The show is by definition not "fanfiction". If you think the TV show is bad in its own right then fair enough, regurgitating the "lol D&D are just making bad fanfic" line is the fastest way to make any reasonable, non book-purist circle-jerkers tune your opinion out though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 05:24:20 AM: Yea I agree wiht lots of what was said. I think the show was getting better each season until 5. Im not a total downer on that season as there was a lot of good stuff going on, both from the book material and show created material, but the story telling wasn't as good. Certain plotlines, specifically Dorne, were just poorly done.

I will say this though, the show has strayed further and further from the books, but I do wonder if some of those changes are part of the reason why season 5 was so dull. I think there was a lot of set up there for future plot lines, specifically Dorne.

Personally, I still think it's the best show I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 30, 2015, 05:29:25 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 05:24:20 AM
Yea I agree wiht lots of what was said. I think the show was getting better each season until 5. Im not a total downer on that season as there was a lot of good stuff going on, both from the book material and show created material, but the story telling wasn't as good. Certain plotlines, specifically Dorne, were just poorly done.

I will say this though, the show has strayed further and further from the books, but I do wonder if some of those changes are part of the reason why season 5 was so dull. I think there was a lot of set up there for future plot lines, specifically Dorne.

Personally, I still think it's the best show I have ever seen.

It's my 2nd favorite show behind Californication.

As to everything else you said, I'm going to assume the less than brilliant storytelling in season five has something to do with the creators of the show having to improvise more with the storyline.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 05:36:36 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 30, 2015, 05:29:25 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 05:24:20 AM
Yea I agree wiht lots of what was said. I think the show was getting better each season until 5. Im not a total downer on that season as there was a lot of good stuff going on, both from the book material and show created material, but the story telling wasn't as good. Certain plotlines, specifically Dorne, were just poorly done.

I will say this though, the show has strayed further and further from the books, but I do wonder if some of those changes are part of the reason why season 5 was so dull. I think there was a lot of set up there for future plot lines, specifically Dorne.

Personally, I still think it's the best show I have ever seen.

It's my 2nd favorite show behind Californication.

As to everything else you said, I'm going to assume the less than brilliant storytelling in season five has something to do with the creators of the show having to improvise more with the storyline.

Yup, when you think about it, who is going to write the story better, GRRM or the show writers? Then when you add in what the show DID base off of GRRM, that source material is some of the weakest in the series. I get the feeling though that season 6 is going to be great, and it will likely be less of GRRM material and more of the show fan fiction, but I think last season started to set things up so that the following seasons will be able to be stronger.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 30, 2015, 05:53:46 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 05:36:36 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 30, 2015, 05:29:25 AM
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Yea I agree wiht lots of what was said. I think the show was getting better each season until 5. Im not a total downer on that season as there was a lot of good stuff going on, both from the book material and show created material, but the story telling wasn't as good. Certain plotlines, specifically Dorne, were just poorly done.

I will say this though, the show has strayed further and further from the books, but I do wonder if some of those changes are part of the reason why season 5 was so dull. I think there was a lot of set up there for future plot lines, specifically Dorne.

Personally, I still think it's the best show I have ever seen.

It's my 2nd favorite show behind Californication.

As to everything else you said, I'm going to assume the less than brilliant storytelling in season five has something to do with the creators of the show having to improvise more with the storyline.

Yup, when you think about it, who is going to write the story better, GRRM or the show writers? Then when you add in what the show DID base off of GRRM, that source material is some of the weakest in the series. I get the feeling though that season 6 is going to be great, and it will likely be less of GRRM material and more of the show fan fiction, but I think last season started to set things up so that the following seasons will be able to be stronger.

That's exactly what I think. There were undoubtedly many things being setup for us. To me, a lot of the first half of the season was severely dragging along. I was actually starting to lose hope because like we both agreed, the storytelling was just weak. Contrarily, the last few episodes were some of the best ever. From Tyrion's appeareance to Daenerys claiming himself as "The Gift" to Jon Snow's "death" scene, I was wetting myself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 05:58:51 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 30, 2015, 05:53:46 AM
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Yea I agree wiht lots of what was said. I think the show was getting better each season until 5. Im not a total downer on that season as there was a lot of good stuff going on, both from the book material and show created material, but the story telling wasn't as good. Certain plotlines, specifically Dorne, were just poorly done.

I will say this though, the show has strayed further and further from the books, but I do wonder if some of those changes are part of the reason why season 5 was so dull. I think there was a lot of set up there for future plot lines, specifically Dorne.

Personally, I still think it's the best show I have ever seen.

It's my 2nd favorite show behind Californication.

As to everything else you said, I'm going to assume the less than brilliant storytelling in season five has something to do with the creators of the show having to improvise more with the storyline.

Yup, when you think about it, who is going to write the story better, GRRM or the show writers? Then when you add in what the show DID base off of GRRM, that source material is some of the weakest in the series. I get the feeling though that season 6 is going to be great, and it will likely be less of GRRM material and more of the show fan fiction, but I think last season started to set things up so that the following seasons will be able to be stronger.

That's exactly what I think. There were undoubtedly many things being setup for us. To me, a lot of the first half of the season was severely dragging along. I was actually starting to lose hope because like we both agreed, the storytelling was just weak. Contrarily, the last few episodes were some of the best ever. From Tyrion's appeareance to Daenerys claiming himself as "The Gift" to Jon Snow's "death" scene, I was wetting myself.

Yup, and as others mentioned, Hardhome which was totally made up by the show was one of the best if not the best moment of the entire series. Man I am pumped for next season lol too bad its still so far away.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 30, 2015, 06:09:13 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 05:58:51 AM
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Yea I agree wiht lots of what was said. I think the show was getting better each season until 5. Im not a total downer on that season as there was a lot of good stuff going on, both from the book material and show created material, but the story telling wasn't as good. Certain plotlines, specifically Dorne, were just poorly done.

I will say this though, the show has strayed further and further from the books, but I do wonder if some of those changes are part of the reason why season 5 was so dull. I think there was a lot of set up there for future plot lines, specifically Dorne.

Personally, I still think it's the best show I have ever seen.

It's my 2nd favorite show behind Californication.

As to everything else you said, I'm going to assume the less than brilliant storytelling in season five has something to do with the creators of the show having to improvise more with the storyline.

Yup, when you think about it, who is going to write the story better, GRRM or the show writers? Then when you add in what the show DID base off of GRRM, that source material is some of the weakest in the series. I get the feeling though that season 6 is going to be great, and it will likely be less of GRRM material and more of the show fan fiction, but I think last season started to set things up so that the following seasons will be able to be stronger.

That's exactly what I think. There were undoubtedly many things being setup for us. To me, a lot of the first half of the season was severely dragging along. I was actually starting to lose hope because like we both agreed, the storytelling was just weak. Contrarily, the last few episodes were some of the best ever. From Tyrion's appeareance to Daenerys claiming himself as "The Gift" to Jon Snow's "death" scene, I was wetting myself.

Yup, and as others mentioned, Hardhome which was totally made up by the show was one of the best if not the best moment of the entire series. Man I am pumped for next season lol too bad its still so far away.

I'm hoping the book comes out before the season starts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 30, 2015, 07:11:16 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 12:40:44 AM
Have you read the books?
Yes, I've read books 1 - 3. When I watch the show I don't compare how it was to the book. I'm not a purist, for me the two are separate entities and I treat them as such. What any character does in the books or would most likely do in the books has zero bearing for me on what to expect how the show chooses to portray them. For me apart from the Sand sisters everything in the show was done very well and consistent with what each character has been doing each episode and each season.

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And even if you haven't season 5 was just terrible.
You're stating that as a fact, I enjoyed it quite a lot so obviously you're wrong.

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Nothing anyone did made any sense (please try to explain to me how Littlefinger's plans were not completely idiotic) people teleported, what was the point of Dorne exactly?
Personally I feel the exact opposite of you. The show has been getting worse each season.
You're free to feel what you like, but I get the feeling you've made up your mind that everything was awful so no point in discussing further. I don't try to think whether anything made sense or not, I look at it as whether it was consistent with what was shown to us and if I relate. To me I enjoyed a large chunk of the Dorne story arc, it's just the Sand sisters characters I didn't care for much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 07:22:53 AM: Everyone says LF's plans make no sense, the problem with that statement is that we do not know LF's true intentions, therefore how can anyone judge his plans?

Yes, on the surface it looks idiotic to leave Sansa with Ramsay, but we all know LF is playing both sides of the game. His plans aren't going to make sense to anyone but himself with whatever his goal is in mind (likely the iron throne). I can wait until this plays out before I judge the writers as being terrible. We've seen time and time again that this show (or book) will set up plot lines seasons in advance to set something up later.

I do read the westoros.org forum often and soooo many people compare the books to the show, they are separate and some people will never be able to enjoy the show because of the constant comparisons to the book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on October 30, 2015, 07:27:04 AM: I actually enjoy the show more than the books. The books are good, but the show is just on another level. I actually think I'm not going to read the new book(s) until the show is finished just because I don't want to be spoiled anymore.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 07:32:13 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on October 30, 2015, 07:27:04 AM
I actually enjoy the show more than the books. The books are good, but the show is just on another level. I actually think I'm not going to read the new book(s) until the show is finished just because I don't want to be spoiled anymore.

I don't think I will be able to hold myself back if the books do come out before the show. I'm not sure which I like better, I like TV better as a median so maybe I gravitate towards the show a bit more (I also watched the first two seasons and then read the books) but the books are amazing and have so much more depth to the characters, world, and plots.
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Post by: kaos2900 on October 30, 2015, 07:42:22 AM: I'm pretty sure it will be another 10 years before the final book is released unless he has more of it written than he is letting on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 07:44:19 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on October 30, 2015, 07:42:22 AM
I'm pretty sure it will be another 10 years before the final book is released unless he has more of it written than he is letting on.

True, although the next book is possible to be out around the time of season 6, that is more of what I was refering too since the book after that will not be out until the show is over unless like you said, he has been writing it in secrecy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 30, 2015, 07:49:38 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on October 30, 2015, 07:27:04 AM
I actually think I'm not going to read the new book(s) until the show is finished just because I don't want to be spoiled anymore.

It's why I've held off reading books 4 & 5 prior to season 5 airing, I didn't want to know anything that happens. Though I might read those after watching all of season 6 because hopefully all the material in those books would've been covered by then.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on October 30, 2015, 08:00:21 AM: For what it's worth, I agree with Genowyn. I'm still doubting if I should watch S6 at all. I'll probably do it just so people won't be able to spoil anything to me and to see some great acting (excited to see Ian McShane in the show) and to have an occasional laugh or two.

I recently rewatched S1, and the difference in quality is just staggering for me. I hardly can believe the show come from that amazing level of writing (even the made-up scenes were amazing, except probably that unnecessarly long sexposition in LF's brothel) to this parody of a plot which S5 was.

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I'm hoping the book comes out before the season starts.

I really hope it happens, but there was no news about the book at all last six months I think, and my hopes are rapidly dwindling on that matter.
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Post by: BlackInk on October 30, 2015, 10:19:17 AM: I would agree that season 5 is the season with the most issues. But I don't think that it's bad, at all. It remains my favorite show. And I have read the books, and I love them, but I also see them seperate things. I also understand the challanges that come with adapting the very long and some of the most complex books ever into 10 hour seasons with a very limited budget.
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Post by: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 10:25:15 AM: Ech

I would post essays talking about how sexist and nonsensical season 5 was but I'll just let you guys enjoy your Carol, Larry, St. Tyrion and Batfinger. I'm sure they would just be poo-pooed as book snobbery anyway.
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Post by: RuRoRul on October 30, 2015, 11:39:20 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 10:25:15 AM
Ech

I would post essays talking about how sexist and nonsensical season 5 was but I'll just let you guys enjoy your Carol, Larry, St. Tyrion and Batfinger. I'm sure they would just be poo-pooed as book snobbery anyway.
:rollin Well yes, if the way you express your opinion is via regurgitating the jargon that's impenetrable to normal fans and only used by people to mock the show, then yes, your opinion will be rightfully dismissed as just book snobbery. It was a shame reading places like westeros.org because even legitimate points or criticisms that I could agree with or at least sympathise with just got lost as it became an echo chamber for people complaining about the show and sniggering about "Stanley Barton" and "bad poosay". The thing is, descending into talking like that just makes it really easy for everyone else to dismiss your complaints as irrational hatred of the show even if you have valid concerns.

At some point you have to decide whether you want to try to communicate your view in a way that remains respectful enough of people with different opinions so they might actually listen, or if you just want to feel as though you have defended your "superior opinion" and insulted those that don't share it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 11:48:58 AM: ^ well said
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 12:38:01 PM: The reason for those names is that the show characters are completely different from the book characters. Carol is a relatively reasonable person, Cersei is not. Using something like Tv!Cersei does not, in my opinion, properly express the ocean of difference between the two characters.

But no you're right just being condescending no critical basis for it whatsoever -_-
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 12:47:53 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
The reason for those names is that the show characters are completely different from the book characters. Carol is a relatively reasonable person, Cersei is not. Using something like Tv!Cersei does not, in my opinion, properly express the ocean of difference between the two characters.

This is fair criticism. ANd I agree with this, show Cersei is much more tame than book Cersei. For me, I just don't like the constant comparisons between book and show, they are seperate. Season 1 was very close to being line for line like the book but they have gone seperate ways. Most book readers would also agree the show completely changed Stannis' character. Doesn't mean I dislike the show though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 12:49:44 PM: I just feel bad for Martin that this show and not his books will be his legacy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 12:58:14 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 12:49:44 PM
I just feel bad for Martin that this show and not his books will be his legacy.

Why do you feel bad? He was a major part of the show (wrote episodes and was a consultant), he should be proud of it and how successful its been. And the show takes nothing away from how good the books are, without the show, someone like myself would have never read the books.

I know GRRM has made statements that he wasn't happy at times with certain parts of the show, but I don't think it's that big of a deal, the show needs to make changes to make it work for TV and GRRM understands this better than most.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 01:05:48 PM: Well primarily because the books are feminist works and the show is absurdly misogynistic. Imagine if what people remembered about The Great Gatsby was the DiCaprio movie that totally missed the point of the book and instead left people with the oppoaite impression.

There is a difference between minor adaptational changes and completely reworking the meaning of a work because "Narratively it made sense because we wanted to do it".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on October 30, 2015, 01:07:55 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 01:05:48 PM
There is a difference between minor adaptational changes and completely reworking the meaning of a work because "Narratively it made sense because we wanted to do it".

Now you're just being disrespectful and downright mean. It was "creatively it made sense because we wanted it to happen". :lol

Alright, I think I'll better leave this thread now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 01:10:05 PM: Oh sorry how could I forget that gem of wisdom
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 01:11:11 PM: I understand the point you are making with regards to how "game of thrones" will be remembered, but maybe I just havent read the books in awhile or I forgot, but what makes this statement true (I could also just not be understanding what you mean here):

Quote from: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 01:05:48 PM
Well primarily because the books are feminist works

There has been a great amount of criticism regarding the show being misogynistic, to some degree I agree with such as the added rape scenes and portrayal of naked women.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 01:28:17 PM: Other people more learned on feminism have written detailed esaays on the subject, which I can dig up when I get home if you'd like (on my phone now), but it boils down to the books basically being a feminist deconstruction of Fantasy tropes with an emphasis on the ways women were mistreated in medieval times and the way that treatment cam effect their thinking (see Catelyn and her patriarchy brain), while at the same time having a spectrum of female characters in varying social positions and degrees of internalized misogyny (Cersei is the Queen of internalized misogyny).

When sexual assault happens in the books it is always within that framework and is even willing to show men being sexually assaulted, and appropriately, because their society does not allow them to realize it, not even recognizing that they have been sexually assaulted despite still being traumatized (see Tyrion/Tysha in the barracks and Theon/Jeyne Poole - the assailants in these cases being Tywin and Ramsay respectively). Compare the show's use of sexual assault for shock value or in the case of Margaery's sexual abuse of Tommen (yes, an adult woman sleeping with a 12 year old boy is sexual abuse) being played for laughs.

Compare Sansa's entire arc being derailed so she could be a setpiece for Theon's abuse.

Compare Arianne's complete disappearance and the utter disdain for Dorne in general. More sexually liberated becomes bad pussy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 01:52:20 PM: I guess that is interesting, never thought about the books that way and in all honesty I doubt Id read a full paper on it, but I can see what you mean here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 30, 2015, 02:44:37 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 01:28:17 PM
Other people more learned on feminism have written detailed esaays on the subject, which I can dig up when I get home if you'd like (on my phone now), but it boils down to the books basically being a feminist deconstruction of Fantasy tropes with an emphasis on the ways women were mistreated in medieval times and the way that treatment cam effect their thinking (see Catelyn and her patriarchy brain), while at the same time having a spectrum of female characters in varying social positions and degrees of internalized misogyny (Cersei is the Queen of internalized misogyny).

When sexual assault happens in the books it is always within that framework and is even willing to show men being sexually assaulted, and appropriately, because their society does not allow them to realize it, not even recognizing that they have been sexually assaulted despite still being traumatized (see Tyrion/Tysha in the barracks and Theon/Jeyne Poole - the assailants in these cases being Tywin and Ramsay respectively). Compare the show's use of sexual assault for shock value or in the case of Margaery's sexual abuse of Tommen (yes, an adult woman sleeping with a 12 year old boy is sexual abuse) being played for laughs.

Compare Sansa's entire arc being derailed so she could be a setpiece for Theon's abuse.

Compare Arianne's complete disappearance and the utter disdain for Dorne in general. More sexually liberated becomes bad pussy.
That is certainly a feminist reading of the books. Which does not mean that it is the only valid reading of the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 30, 2015, 04:14:14 PM: Certainly, a Marxist reading would come away with a different interpretation for example. Fact remains that a feminist reading of the books find it to be feminist, but feminist analysis of the show finds the opposite.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on October 31, 2015, 02:40:28 AM: I mean, I sort of get what you mean, I only think you're blowing this way out of proportion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 31, 2015, 06:34:44 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on October 31, 2015, 02:40:28 AM
I mean, I sort of get what you mean, I only think you're blowing this way out of proportion.
This.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 31, 2015, 01:34:35 PM: You're entitled to intepret it however you wany as am I, just as you're entitled to like it and i'm entitled to think it sucks
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on October 31, 2015, 03:18:24 PM: So, you're gonna continue to hate-watch it? Because you know... you don't have to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 31, 2015, 04:36:00 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on October 31, 2015, 01:34:35 PM
You're entitled to intepret it however you wany as am I, just as you're entitled to like it and i'm entitled to think it sucks
Yes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on October 31, 2015, 05:26:30 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on October 31, 2015, 03:18:24 PM
So, you're gonna continue to hate-watch it? Because you know... you don't have to.

No I'm not, primarily because I don't want more spoilery events revealed stripped of context.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on November 03, 2015, 12:29:09 PM: Big event in the Arab world this month

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/12194943_318925561564572_6974803184476368598_o.png)

People are super excited, the announcement was last night and their website is already down due to preorder load :lol
I personally have a strong policy against reading anything that's been translated and I do intend on reading the English books after the shows is through.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2015, 12:48:42 PM: Can you share what that means? A date for the new book?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on November 03, 2015, 01:00:21 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on November 03, 2015, 12:48:42 PM
Can you share what that means? A date for the new book?
I'm fairly sure it is the news that the series is being translated into Arabic for the first time, which I saw relatively recently as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2015, 01:03:52 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on November 03, 2015, 01:00:21 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 03, 2015, 12:48:42 PM
Can you share what that means? A date for the new book?
I'm fairly sure it is the news that the series is being translated into Arabic for the first time, which I saw relatively recently as well.

oh ok, good for the arabic folk then, its a great show
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on November 03, 2015, 01:08:36 PM: Here's an image of the cover I saw for the Arabic translation (not sure if it already exists or not for other versions but it's the first time I saw it) which I thought was pretty cool.

(https://i.imgur.com/VpbYr4V.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on November 03, 2015, 02:52:52 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on November 03, 2015, 01:08:36 PM
Here's an image of the cover I saw for the Arabic translation (not sure if it already exists or not for other versions but it's the first time I saw it) which I thought was pretty cool.

(https://i.imgur.com/VpbYr4V.jpg)

That was the first version of the cover when they announced they were working on it month ago but they got some negative feedback from the fans, I dunno why. The words in the bottom in red say "Coming soon", the cover I posted is the final version I guess, unless they release both.

Quote from: cramx3 on November 03, 2015, 12:48:42 PM
Can you share what that means? A date for the new book?

Sorry I thought it was obvious :lol, it says:
First book from "A Song of Snow & Fire
George R. R. Martin
Game of Thrones
Translated By Hesham Fahmy
And in white over the picture it says "Out: November 15, 2015"
I think the reason they translated "Ice" to a word that means "Snow" is that the word for ice in Arabic doesn't have as much an impact on the ears as the word for snow, I bitched about it on the publisher's fb page heh
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 03, 2015, 03:21:23 PM: Interesting that Snow was the word that worked best, maybe they should have replaced the word fire with Targaryan instead :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on November 04, 2015, 07:04:14 AM: Haha yeah, keep it straight, no need for symbolism :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2015, 10:12:05 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on October 27, 2015, 02:22:10 PM
Excited about Ian McShane! Some cocksuckers in the North need some salon style beating heh

Spoilers about his character:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/ian-mcshane-likely-resurrect-game-thrones-fan-favorite-143300177.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/ian-mcshane-likely-resurrect-game-thrones-fan-favorite-143300177.html)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 23, 2015, 09:30:38 AM: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUghf-tWsAQ5ftS.jpg)

Get pumped!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 23, 2015, 09:40:10 AM: :metal

Mother of all teases to have Jon Snow on the first poster! :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 23, 2015, 10:26:22 AM: That's a pretty bad ass poster.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on November 23, 2015, 11:21:41 AM: Great looking poster and man April is still 5 months away.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on November 23, 2015, 11:31:41 AM: Awesome!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 23, 2015, 12:45:16 PM: It's like, "We couldn't fool you with his 'death', we might as well use him to build the hype" :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 23, 2015, 12:57:18 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 23, 2015, 12:45:16 PM
It's like, "We couldn't fool you with his 'death', we might as well use him to build the hype" :biggrin:

We all know he scurried under the dumpster after he was repeatedly stabbed.....err....wait.......
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 23, 2015, 01:04:07 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on November 23, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on November 23, 2015, 12:45:16 PM
It's like, "We couldn't fool you with his 'death', we might as well use him to build the hype" :biggrin:

We all know he scurried under the dumpster after he was repeatedly stabbed.....err....wait.......

:lol the relation between these two shows/character deaths is great for humor except both are just so obvious to not be deaths although Jon could be dead but not dead in the sense that he is revived. Too bad Glenn wasn't revived.. as a zombie.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 23, 2015, 01:06:16 PM: Well, I believe the authors were sincere in saying that Jon Snow was dead. The point is, he will be revived somehow. I'm pretty sure that storyline-wise he didn't survive the stabbing, the red b#tc@ will do something about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 23, 2015, 01:10:04 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 23, 2015, 01:06:16 PM
Well, I believe the authors were sincere in saying that Jon Snow was dead. The point is, he will be revived somehow. I'm pretty sure that storyline-wise he didn't survive the stabbing, the red b#tc@ will do something about it.

Agreed but even if he is revived, that doesn't necessarily mean Jon Snow is dead. I personally think he is revived but is now "Jon Stark" and hence the death of Jon Snow, but all in all, is still the same person so then we get into semantics.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 23, 2015, 01:13:28 PM: He would also be free to be Jon Stark - he swore an oath 'til his death to the Night's Watch. Death happened... oath fulfilled :hat
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 23, 2015, 06:44:52 PM: But with no Stannis there to legitimise him as a Stark? I'm not sure I buy the Jon Stark thing. Unless he just takes the name for himself, which is what I feel all bastards should just do anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 09:04:09 AM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on November 23, 2015, 06:44:52 PM
But with no Stannis there to legitimise him as a Stark? I'm not sure I buy the Jon Stark thing. Unless he just takes the name for himself, which is what I feel all bastards should just do anyway.

I was thinking that as well, is it possible Davos can do that in the name of Stannis as he was there to witness that offer and is also at the wall currently?

I am also thinking its possible Bran finds a way to communicate to him and through the Weirwood tress Bran is able to see the past and discover Jons true parents? I really do believe we find out who his parents are this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on November 24, 2015, 10:32:50 AM: I've lost almost all hopes for this show during S5, but I've got to admit this poster is pretty badass and awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 11:42:41 AM: I wonder too how we'll come to know of Jon Snow's parents, since everyone who knew it is dead.

Probably some barely mentioned character in the book that has not been casted in the show is still alive, though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on November 24, 2015, 11:51:33 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 11:42:41 AM
I wonder too how we'll come to know of Jon Snow's parents, since everyone who knew it is dead.

Probably some barely mentioned character in the book that has not been casted in the show is still alive, though.

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, he's surely alive in the books as far as we know and I wouldn't say he's barely mentioned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 12:31:21 PM: Quote from: Evermind on November 24, 2015, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 11:42:41 AM
I wonder too how we'll come to know of Jon Snow's parents, since everyone who knew it is dead.

Probably some barely mentioned character in the book that has not been casted in the show is still alive, though.

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, he's surely alive in the books as far as we know and I wouldn't say he's barely mentioned.

Well for one, there is Benjen who we still do not know his fate (nor do we know if he knows the truth) and then there is a character in the books who knows, I think he was only mentioned once or twice in the show though and is not even a character we see in the books so I am not sure if the show will ever show us this character. I personally believe, in the show, we will see it in the form of flashbacks through Bran.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:33:33 PM: Yeah, I didn't read the books, I remember an article about the most plausible theory and someone was with Ned Stark when it all happened, this is the someone I refer to... I don't even remember the name, just someone who was with Ned Stark when he found out, and that is still alive. Such a character indeed never appeared on the show nor I think it was ever mentioned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 12:39:46 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Yeah, I didn't read the books, I remember an article about the most plausible theory and someone was with Ned Stark when it all happened, this is the someone I refer to... I don't even remember the name, just someone who was with Ned Stark when he found out, and that is still alive. Such a character indeed never appeared on the show nor I think it was ever mentioned.

I think he was mentioned like once and in a way that you would never link him to Jon's parents. Hint, he is the father of a character/s that are in the show. This is definitely the character you are referring to as well. Answer is spoiler below (I have no idea if this is actual spoiler to the show, just to be safe).

Howland Reed, Mira and Jojen's father, was with Ned at the Tower of Joy
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on November 24, 2015, 12:41:51 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Yeah, I didn't read the books, I remember an article about the most plausible theory and someone was with Ned Stark when it all happened, this is the someone I refer to... I don't even remember the name, just someone who was with Ned Stark when he found out, and that is still alive. Such a character indeed never appeared on the show nor I think it was ever mentioned.

Yup, that guy. We got his children in the show though.

I'm convinced Benjen doesn't know. I think the only ones who can know about Jon's parentage are the ones who were with Ned at Tower of Joy, and since there were only two survivors including Ned, well...

I mean, I don't think Ned told Benjen about Jon's parentage. Benjen joined the NW shortly after Ned returned from Robert's Rebellion, and I don't see why Ned would've told him this just like that. After all, he was married with Catelyn for 15 years and he never told her about it. While yes, Benjen, Ned and Lyanna were all pretty close, the fact Benjen joined the NW shortly after Ned came back... well, you know, now I think Benjen might know something. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 12:43:54 PM: Quote from: Evermind on November 24, 2015, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Yeah, I didn't read the books, I remember an article about the most plausible theory and someone was with Ned Stark when it all happened, this is the someone I refer to... I don't even remember the name, just someone who was with Ned Stark when he found out, and that is still alive. Such a character indeed never appeared on the show nor I think it was ever mentioned.

Yup, that guy. We got his children in the show though.

I'm convinced Benjen doesn't know. I think the only ones who can know about Jon's parentage are the ones who were with Ned at Tower of Joy, and since there were only two survivors including Ned, well...

I don't think Ned told Benjen about Jon's parentage. Benjen joined the NW shortly after Ned returned from Robert's Rebellion, and I don't see why Ned would've told him this just like that. After all, he was married with Catelyn for 15 years and he never told her about it.

Im not sure either, but Benjen as a sworn brother of the nights watch and a true stark, would be the only person I can think of that Ned would share this info with. There is also something about the way Benjen treated Jon that made me think it's possible he knew. But that's just speculation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:44:14 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Yeah, I didn't read the books, I remember an article about the most plausible theory and someone was with Ned Stark when it all happened, this is the someone I refer to... I don't even remember the name, just someone who was with Ned Stark when he found out, and that is still alive. Such a character indeed never appeared on the show nor I think it was ever mentioned.

I think he was mentioned like once and in a way that you would never link him to Jon's parents. Hint, he is the father of a character/s that are in the show. This is definitely the character you are referring to as well. Answer is spoiler below (I have no idea if this is actual spoiler to the show, just to be safe).

Yep, that must have been him!

I'm not sure how the show will handle it however, it would feel like a deus ex machina to have this dude pop up and say "Hi Jon! remember me? no? well, neither do everyone who watched the show. Anyway, once I was with good ol' Ned Stark and we did this and that, and then we went there. And that's how I met your mother".

The Bran getting access to Westeros-trees-mystical-wikipedia could be an alternate way, as you suggested.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on November 24, 2015, 12:44:53 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Evermind on November 24, 2015, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Yeah, I didn't read the books, I remember an article about the most plausible theory and someone was with Ned Stark when it all happened, this is the someone I refer to... I don't even remember the name, just someone who was with Ned Stark when he found out, and that is still alive. Such a character indeed never appeared on the show nor I think it was ever mentioned.

Yup, that guy. We got his children in the show though.

I'm convinced Benjen doesn't know. I think the only ones who can know about Jon's parentage are the ones who were with Ned at Tower of Joy, and since there were only two survivors including Ned, well...

I don't think Ned told Benjen about Jon's parentage. Benjen joined the NW shortly after Ned returned from Robert's Rebellion, and I don't see why Ned would've told him this just like that. After all, he was married with Catelyn for 15 years and he never told her about it.

Im not sure either, but Benjen as a sworn brother of the nights watch and a true stark, would be the only person I can think of that Ned would share this info with. There is also something about the way Benjen treated Jon that made me think it's possible he knew. But that's just speculation.

I actually edited my original post. Yep, I allow there is a possibility he knows something. If he's even alive, that is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 12:49:07 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
Yeah, I didn't read the books, I remember an article about the most plausible theory and someone was with Ned Stark when it all happened, this is the someone I refer to... I don't even remember the name, just someone who was with Ned Stark when he found out, and that is still alive. Such a character indeed never appeared on the show nor I think it was ever mentioned.

I think he was mentioned like once and in a way that you would never link him to Jon's parents. Hint, he is the father of a character/s that are in the show. This is definitely the character you are referring to as well. Answer is spoiler below (I have no idea if this is actual spoiler to the show, just to be safe).

Yep, that must have been him!

I'm not sure how the show will handle it however, it would feel like a deus ex machina to have this dude pop up and say "Hi Jon! remember me? no? well, neither do everyone who watched the show. Anyway, once I was with good ol' Ned Stark and we did this and that, and then we went there. And that's how I met your mother".

The Bran getting access to Westeros-trees-mystical-wikipedia could be an alternate way, as you suggested.

Yea thats how I see it too based on what the show has already shown us. It would be poor writing to just introduce this character who knows all but hasnt been around at all. I believe the trees will show us the truth, but the more I think about Benjen the more I think that is totally possible. I forgot he was Lyanna's sister too, Ned's honor would almost force him to tell his brother about his sister and her child (if the R+L=J is in fact true). ahhh all this thinking about GoT has me really wanting to watch or read new material!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on November 24, 2015, 12:57:08 PM: Unless he kept the promise and told no one at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2015, 03:15:28 PM: Season 6 Teaser Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI8aPISq8I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI8aPISq8I)

PUMPED :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on December 03, 2015, 10:57:17 PM: Now this is the real challange. Staying away from the trailers for Star Wars or Civil War has been tough, but not overly tough. Staying away from these trailers will be the trye test to my dedication of non-trailerness.

But still, I'm also pumped! :metal
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Post by: kaos2900 on December 04, 2015, 06:52:33 AM: That wasn't even a tease. It was all old footage.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on December 04, 2015, 06:59:10 AM: Yup, almost nothing new there except for a few generic sentences.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2015, 07:02:04 AM: Agreed, but what was new was it was all from the perspective of Bloodraven talking to Bran.

I think that supports my theory that Bran will discover Jon's parentage through Bloodraven using the Weirwood trees.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2015, 02:59:23 PM: https://www.cinemablend.com/television/Game-Thrones-Season-5-Blu-ray-Offer-Crazy-Feature-106837.html (https://www.cinemablend.com/television/Game-Thrones-Season-5-Blu-ray-Offer-Crazy-Feature-106837.html)

Really cool feautre to be included with the blu ray of season 5

Quote
Here’s why you should be excited. First and foremost, the feature will be 20-minutes long and it will delve into the history of the Targaryens and the battles that have been alluded to on the series. It gets even more exciting. Our buddy Pedro Pascal, who played Oberyn Martell on Game of Thrones during Season 4, is back to narrate “The Dance of Dragons.” Plus a ton of former GOT actors also lend their voices to the bit, including Jack Gleeson, Michelle Fairley, Mark Addy, Harry Lloyd and Kerry Ingram. The segment features battling dragons flying through the air and would be really cool if we were watching it in live action on HBO. As it stands, it fills in a lot of the gaps and enriches the already complex narrative we get with Game of Thrones.

I am not one to collect physical media anymore besides concert blu-rays, but I have all of the seasons of this show on blu-ray and was already planning on getting this, but that is just making me salivate a little for this blu-ray. That's an awesome bonus as one who loves the books and the history of westeros.
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Post by: faizoff on December 22, 2015, 09:04:03 PM: Awesome, I hate the fact that we have to wait an extra month to get the bluray this time round as they're normally out in February. But that is an excellent addition. Which reminds me I still need to finish up all the histories and lore of previous seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on December 23, 2015, 06:51:09 AM: I own all of the season as well but rarely ever venture into the bonus features. I may have to go back to the older seasons and check out the lore sections.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on December 23, 2015, 07:24:00 AM: You should, they are fantastic. Cartoon like animation story telling of each house told by the character and very very well done. Some of the stuff in season one is amazing like Ned's father and brother's confrontation with the mad king, etc.. there are several like those.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 23, 2015, 08:38:53 AM: :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: mikemangioy on January 04, 2016, 05:24:12 AM: About a month ago I finally got around to watch this series and I have to say, it's one of my favorite things ever. Mindblowing. Since I've finished (or have caught up) I started reading ASOIAF, and I'm currently halfway through AGOT. I spend daily hours on Game Of Thrones Wiki just exploring this enormous universe that GRRM was capable of creating... everything is just so mindblowing! I can't wait for Season 6. Seriously.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 04, 2016, 06:13:02 AM: Amen brotha'.
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Post by: faizoff on January 04, 2016, 06:15:01 AM: Quote from: mikemangioy on January 04, 2016, 05:24:12 AM
I can't wait for Season 6. Seriously.
The wait for the next season is always excruciating.

In other 'no surprise' news GRRM will not have book six ready before the season airs. Not that made any difference to me, I know a few people were hoping it would be out before the season.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 04, 2016, 06:18:54 AM: He wasn't happy with the writing apparently. I'm kind of glad though. I'd rather him take his time until he feels comfortable with it instead of feeling like he's under time constraints to get it finished.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 04, 2016, 07:08:03 AM: It's amazing and scary how quickly times fly. After season 5 finale or basically every finale you think "Damn a whole year until the next season" and suddenly you find yourself thinking "Oh right, it's january now" and it dosen't feel that far away anymore. 6 months can sneak away quickly and when you think about it, it's pretty scary.

#SEASON 6 HYPE
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 04, 2016, 07:26:18 AM: I have no faith that he will finish book 7 before he dies.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2016, 08:05:57 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on January 04, 2016, 07:26:18 AM
I have no faith that he will finish book 7 before he dies.

nor do I. He's a few bacon slices away from a coronary......
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Post by: Evermind on January 04, 2016, 08:32:59 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on January 04, 2016, 07:26:18 AM
I have no faith that he will finish book 7 before he dies.

Sadly, I have to agree here.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 04, 2016, 09:09:48 AM: Yeah, I worry about that too... Thankfully the showrunners can at least finish a version of the story if that happens.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2016, 09:31:18 AM: Yup, we may never see the end to the books, but the show will give us an ending at least.

I was upset when I read the book won't be out soon, but not at all surprised.
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Post by: Progmetty on January 04, 2016, 09:51:53 AM: I finally started downloading the Telltale game episodes from the playstaion store, something to hold me up til the new season starts, it's pretty decent so far.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 04, 2016, 11:59:17 AM: Echoing some of the sentiments, I'm really concerned about him finishing the books before he passes on. It's morbid to look at that way but I'm sure there's a huge portion of the readers who have thought that very same thing.
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 04, 2016, 01:45:56 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on January 04, 2016, 09:51:53 AM
I finally started downloading the Telltale game episodes from the playstaion store, something to hold me up til the new season starts, it's pretty decent so far.

I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to season 2.

I'm almost wondering if he should just not do a seventh book. Keep writing book 6. Split in two and you'll have seven books. Either that or make a highly detailed outline and let someone else write it.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2016, 01:50:53 PM: I wonder if he does have a highly detailed timeline. Part of me thinks he does not and he wrote himself into a hole with all the stuff that happened in the last two books that just piled onto an already complicated story. Putting everything back into place to form an ending requires knowing the timeline with details.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 05, 2016, 11:49:18 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 04, 2016, 01:50:53 PM
I wonder if he does have a highly detailed timeline. Part of me thinks he does not and he wrote himself into a hole with all the stuff that happened in the last two books that just piled onto an already complicated story. Putting everything back into place to form an ending requires knowing the timeline with details.
I think that's exactly what has happened.
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Post by: Evermind on January 05, 2016, 12:00:54 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 04, 2016, 01:50:53 PM
I wonder if he does have a highly detailed timeline. Part of me thinks he does not and he wrote himself into a hole with all the stuff that happened in the last two books that just piled onto an already complicated story. Putting everything back into place to form an ending requires knowing the timeline with details.

Sounds reasonable. Also, this popped up in my FB feed thanks to ariich. :lol

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/george-r-r-martin-cannot-think-of-single-good-reason-to-finish-book-20160105105045
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Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2016, 12:38:07 PM: He is a human afterall, can't blame the guy for wanting to just enjoy the rest of his life instead of working tirelessly but then again, ASOIAF is his baby and you would think he would want to finish for his own legacy.
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 05, 2016, 01:52:50 PM: I'm cool with him not finishing it but he should hand pick the writer and collaborate with the process.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2016, 01:59:31 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on January 05, 2016, 01:52:50 PM
I'm cool with him not finishing it but he should hand pick the writer and collaborate with the process.

Im actually surprised he said he would be ok with someone else finishing it. If he isn't going to then him collaborating with someone who will is the next best alternative.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 05, 2016, 04:07:56 PM: I love his honesty. :lol
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Post by: ariich on January 05, 2016, 04:15:17 PM: Quote from: Evermind on January 05, 2016, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 04, 2016, 01:50:53 PM
I wonder if he does have a highly detailed timeline. Part of me thinks he does not and he wrote himself into a hole with all the stuff that happened in the last two books that just piled onto an already complicated story. Putting everything back into place to form an ending requires knowing the timeline with details.

Sounds reasonable. Also, this popped up in my FB feed thanks to ariich. :lol

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/george-r-r-martin-cannot-think-of-single-good-reason-to-finish-book-20160105105045
I love the Daily Mash. :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 05, 2016, 07:33:17 PM: Oh! :facepalm:
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Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2016, 05:44:21 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 05, 2016, 07:33:17 PM
Oh! :facepalm:
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Post by: BlackInk on January 06, 2016, 05:45:39 AM: :lol

Yeah, George would never let anyone else touch the series.
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Post by: Genowyn on January 06, 2016, 11:58:39 AM: yeah who knows they might do something crazy like rape sansa or have stannis burn shireen

oh wait
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 06, 2016, 12:04:53 PM: I love this woman.

https://watchersonthewall.com/natalie-dormer-avoids-game-of-thrones-spoilers-and-talks-nearly-passing-on-margaery/#more-53588
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Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 07:03:19 AM: April 24th 9PM

(https://memecrunch.com/meme/DJLO/samuel-l-jackson-time/image.png)

Also, Silicon Valley is back after GoT, LOVE that show too :metal
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 07:29:55 AM: Have I mentioned how much I love her? She's even sexier than Emilia Clarke.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCb2sqIWIAASA7I.jpg)

(https://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/styles/image_embed/public/2014/08/28/2014/04/15/17905.png)

(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/natalie-dormer-10314-2560x1600_zpsh7bgmwez.jpg)
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 08, 2016, 07:31:03 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 07:29:55 AM
Have I mentioned how much I love her? She's even sexier than Emilia Clarke.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCb2sqIWIAASA7I.jpg)

(https://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/styles/image_embed/public/2014/08/28/2014/04/15/17905.png)

(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/natalie-dormer-10314-2560x1600_zpsh7bgmwez.jpg)

I agree. Have you watched The Tudors? :o
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Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 07:32:59 AM: I disagree. I actually do not find her to be "hot" at all. Very pretty, but no where close to Emilia IMO, but I have not seen the Tudors.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 08, 2016, 07:36:07 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 07:03:19 AM
April 24th 9PM

Also, Silicon Valley is back after GoT, LOVE that show too :metal
:metal

and

:metal
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 08, 2016, 07:38:45 AM: Emilia is good looking, but Natalie is just plain sexy.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 07:49:01 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on January 08, 2016, 07:31:03 AM

I agree. Have you watched The Tudors? :o

No but I want to though. When I saw her in the coming attractions for that show, I thought she was the most uniquely gorgeous woman I had ever seen. She's unorthodox looking but in such a good way.

Quote from: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 07:32:59 AM
I disagree. I actually do not find her to be "hot" at all. Very pretty, but no where close to Emilia IMO, but I have not seen the Tudors.

I was all about Emilia because she is the dragon queen, and the color of her hair in the show made her unique looking. However, in real life I don't think there's a contest. :biggrin: Those compelling crystal eyes and darling dimpled smile is.... :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart I'm a geek - sue me. You see how the dating world is for me, so this is holding me over until I get a girlfriend or Natalie agrees to meet for coffee. ;)
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 08, 2016, 08:09:21 AM: The Tudors is a fantastic show. Having Natalie Dormer in it is icing on the cake.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 08:24:10 AM: Is it on Netflix?

Running out for work so I'll return later on.
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Post by: faizoff on January 08, 2016, 08:25:43 AM: Geez April 24th. More than 3 months of waiting. About 2 months wait for the season 5 bluray boxset.
Need to begin rewatching the series.

And they're negotiating on season 7 & 8. I guess 8 is happening as I remember it just being just an after thought. I won't mind that at all.
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 08, 2016, 11:05:54 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 08:24:10 AM
Is it on Netflix?

Running out for work so I'll return later on.

Yes it is.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 11:21:12 AM: Quote from: faizoff on January 08, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
Geez April 24th. More than 3 months of waiting. About 2 months wait for the season 5 bluray boxset.
Need to begin rewatching the series.

And they're negotiating on season 7 & 8. I guess 8 is happening as I remember it just being just an after thought. I won't mind that at all.

Oh really? its going to 8 seasons now? That is new. I know HBO wants more, but didn't think the story would be dragged on longer.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 12:16:26 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: faizoff on January 08, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
Geez April 24th. More than 3 months of waiting. About 2 months wait for the season 5 bluray boxset.
Need to begin rewatching the series.

And they're negotiating on season 7 & 8. I guess 8 is happening as I remember it just being just an after thought. I won't mind that at all.

Oh really? its going to 8 seasons now? That is new. I know HBO wants more, but didn't think the story would be dragged on longer.

I just read that they're likely going to be 8 seasons. I get the newsletter to my email everyday.

https://watchersonthewall.com/game-of-thrones-likely-to-be-renewed-for-a-7th-and-8th-season/

Quote from: kaos2900 on January 08, 2016, 11:05:54 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 08:24:10 AM
Is it on Netflix?

Running out for work so I'll return later on.

Yes it is.

I hope my five year old is ready for some Tudors because that's what I'll be watching this weekend. :lol
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Post by: Progmetty on January 08, 2016, 12:23:59 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 07:29:55 AM
Have I mentioned how much I love her? She's even sexier than Emilia Clarke.

She's very sexy and Emilia Clarke isn't at all IMO, I thought Clarke's only appeal was that she looks very young! I think even Sansa is hotter than her.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 12:27:44 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on January 08, 2016, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 07:29:55 AM
Have I mentioned how much I love her? She's even sexier than Emilia Clarke.

She's very sexy and Emilia Clarke isn't at all IMO, I thought Clarke's only appeal was that she looks very young! I think even Sansa is hotter than her.

I will agree that Emilia is not as good looking off the show, she looks great on the show and Sansa is definitely growing into a hottie.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 12:40:50 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on January 08, 2016, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 07:29:55 AM
Have I mentioned how much I love her? She's even sexier than Emilia Clarke.

She's very sexy and Emilia Clarke isn't at all IMO, I thought Clarke's only appeal was that she looks very young! I think even Sansa is hotter than her.

I will agree that Emilia is not as good looking off the show, she looks great on the show and Sansa is definitely growing into a hottie.

Sansa has that fiery hair. The scenes when she's at The Vale, where her hair is against the snowy backdrop, she looks fucking amazing.
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 08, 2016, 02:05:31 PM: Lol, The Tudors is probably not a show you want a 5 year old to watch.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 04:34:38 PM: True that. :lol

I'll put on Little Einsteins on my laptop for her.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2016, 05:39:15 PM: I always hoped that it would end with season 8, so that would be great news for me. The end of season 4 is such a perfect half-way point of the series.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 05:51:53 PM: Eight seasons will be nice.

So we should start predicting what the opening scene of season 6 will be. I know it's early but I'm curious to hear what everyone else thinks will start the season off.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2016, 05:56:40 PM: I don't know. I wanted season 5 to open with the "A Dance With Dragons" prologue, because it's awesome, but that didn't happen. If I had read the Winds of Winter, I'd probably have a prediction.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 06:06:12 PM: I'm wondering if it'll go right into a scene with you klnow who.I'm really excited for this.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2016, 06:23:24 PM: I feel like they'll drag that "reveal" or whatever it'll turn out to be out for a bit. At least to the end of the first episode.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 06:26:34 PM: I could see that happening. Maybe it'll start with Bran.
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Post by: Tyrias on January 09, 2016, 02:05:13 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 06:06:12 PM
I'm wondering if it'll go right into a scene with you klnow who.I'm really excited for this.

As much as I love Harry Potter, seeing Voldemort in Game Of Thrones would be pretty weird.

::) :angel:
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 09, 2016, 07:40:44 AM: :lol

I get it.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2016, 08:29:27 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
I could see that happening. Maybe it'll start with Bran.

A Bran vision showing a flashback. Last season started with a flashback for Cesrei.

Then we find out what happens to Jon. I can't imagine they drag that out considering he is in the focal point of the hype for the return of the show.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 09, 2016, 09:01:31 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 09, 2016, 08:29:27 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
I could see that happening. Maybe it'll start with Bran.

A Bran vision showing a flashback. Last season started with a flashback for Cesrei.

Then we find out what happens to Jon. I can't imagine they drag that out considering he is in the focal point of the hype for the return of the show.

I like the idea with the flashblack. What if it's the Tower Of Joy scene?
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Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2016, 09:39:51 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 09, 2016, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 09, 2016, 08:29:27 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 08, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
I could see that happening. Maybe it'll start with Bran.

A Bran vision showing a flashback. Last season started with a flashback for Cesrei.

Then we find out what happens to Jon. I can't imagine they drag that out considering he is in the focal point of the hype for the return of the show.

I like the idea with the flashblack. What if it's the Tower Of Joy scene?

I'd love for that, then cut to Jon snows fate.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 09, 2016, 10:02:30 AM: Whose story lines are we following?

Jon Snow
Daenerys
Bran & Hodor
Brianne & Pod
Sansa & Theon
Margaery :heart & Loras
Cersei
Tommen
Jaime
Arya
Euron?
Tyrion & Varys
Jorah & Daario
Red Woman & Davos
Boltons
Samwell
Martells
White Walkers

Did I leave anyone out?

*edited for Hodor's sake. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2016, 10:20:34 AM: The Martells
White Walkers

Hodor
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 09, 2016, 10:31:36 AM: Jon Snow - not permanently dead
Daenerys - with Dothraki
Bran & Hodor - with Three-eyed Raven
Brianne & Pod - Last seen "killing" Stannis
Sansa & Theon - Last seen in the Winterfell Winter Olympic High Jump
Margaery :heart & Loras - Imprisoned
Cersei - Being carried off by Frankenstein
Tommen - Last seen whimpering and suffering from anorexia
Jaime - Homebound
Arya - Blinded by the Jaqen
Euron? - "new" character
Tyrion & Varys - The 21st version of Twins running Mereen
Jorah & Daario - Looking for Daenerys while Daario schools Jorah about being Friendzoned
Red Woman & Davos - at The Wall
Boltons - Directing snuff films at Winterfell
Samwell - Fighting the urge to eat baby Sam while on the long road to Oldtown
Martells - Waiting for Lannister vengeance
White Walkers - Rubbing noses like the eskimoses north of the wall
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Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2016, 10:41:16 AM: I have really avoided the spoilers and reading things about the sets and actors besides the basic casting news. But I have read a few things about story lines this season, I'm really excited for it if they are true
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Post by: orcus116 on January 09, 2016, 10:51:47 AM: I'm hoping for little to no Bran scenes. That entire storyline, at least from a TV show only perspective, is boooooooooooooring.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 09, 2016, 10:55:44 AM: Oh, I don't mind reading the spoilers and such. I was one of those who watched the bootlegged episodes before they came out. Even if I have spoilers I still enjoy something. No matter how many times I watch something, it still gets to me. I don't care how many times Aragorn says to the hobbits, "You bow to no one." Waterworks every time.

Quote from: orcus116 on January 09, 2016, 10:51:47 AM
I'm hoping for little to no Bran scenes. That entire storyline, at least from a TV show only perspective, is boooooooooooooring.

It has been slow-moving, but I guarantee you it's going to be one of the most important story lines in the entire show. I plan on re-reading all of his chapters just to reacquaint myself.
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Post by: orcus116 on January 09, 2016, 11:02:40 AM: I hope they do a better job in establishing the characters in that storyline, then. I can't think of a single interesting thing Bran has done in the first four seasons.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 09, 2016, 11:18:57 AM: Minus the warging and visions you mean? Because that's kind of a big deal about the future of his storyline, and some other's storylines.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 09, 2016, 12:31:09 PM: Bran's story hasn't really been action packed, but I find it interesting becuase I have always felt that it's one of the most important storylines. He's one of the few who is actually focused on the legit issue.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 09, 2016, 12:51:36 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on January 09, 2016, 12:31:09 PM
Bran's story hasn't really been action packed, but I find it interesting becuase I have always felt that it's one of the most important storylines. He's one of the few who is actually focused on the legit issue.

I concur. I pulled out the books and am going to outline his story so far.
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Post by: matthewmatt on January 15, 2016, 07:05:45 AM: I agree that Bran's story will be probably very important, however that doesn't change the fact his storyline was probably the most boring for me in both the books and the series. The series have even forgotten him for a while.

However, after finally finishing ADWD, I can now say I have definitely started to prefer the TV series. Books 4 and 5 were collectively excruciating, just crawling along with their brontosauric pace with no ending/payoff in sight.

The fact the series don't have Lady S doesn't bother me anymore.
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Post by: ariich on January 15, 2016, 07:08:48 AM: See, I really liked book 4, even though parts of the story were obviously missing. But I though it had a great build up, particularly on the Cersei/Margaery story which came to an excellent climax at the end of the book.

Book 5 on the other hand, was way too drawn out for me. Had some great stuff of course, but it dragged.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2016, 07:12:16 AM: I loved 4, and 5 was good, but you're right, it dragged. Bloated.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 07:15:40 AM: Quote from: matthewmatt on January 15, 2016, 07:05:45 AM
The fact the series don't have Lady S doesn't bother me anymore.

I'm mostly over that, but I'm still a liittle bit sad about it, as well as skipping Jamie's entire Riverrun thing.

Also, I read books 4 and 5 as one, following a guide jumping back and forth, and I liked it all. It became a really long book of course, but because I was sort of prepared for it it didn't bother me.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2016, 08:20:33 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 07:15:40 AM
Quote from: matthewmatt on January 15, 2016, 07:05:45 AM
The fact the series don't have Lady S doesn't bother me anymore.

I'm mostly over that, but I'm still a liittle bit sad about it, as well as skipping Jamie's entire Riverrun thing.

Also, I read books 4 and 5 as one, following a guide jumping back and forth, and I liked it all. It became a really long book of course, but because I was sort of prepared for it it didn't bother me.

This stuff should be labelled as spoilers. It hasn't been in the show, but it's possible it can be included

Jamie in riverrun this season is rumored (maybe confirmed, I've avoided spoilers), and I haven't seen anything regarding Lady S but she can still make an appearance, her spot in the book has no real storyline to it yet so it does make sense to hold it back for now
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 09:08:19 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 15, 2016, 08:20:33 AM
Jamie in riverrun this season is rumored (maybe confirmed, I've avoided spoilers), and I haven't seen anything regarding Lady S but she can still make an appearance, her spot in the book has no real storyline to it yet so it does make sense to hold it back for now

In my opinion, revealing Lady S now would be a bit late. The end of season 4 would have been the perfect moment for it. I mean, absolutely perfect. Now, it would just feel a tiny bit irrelevant. It would still be great to have her included at all though.

I would have had her in the season 4 finale, had Jamie go to Riverrun directly, and it would all line up nicely to where we are now. Now it's all a bit disjointed, and Brienne is up at Winterfell. Maybe she'll run into Lady S on her way back south. I guess that'd line things up well enough.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2016, 10:09:43 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 15, 2016, 08:20:33 AM
Jamie in riverrun this season is rumored (maybe confirmed, I've avoided spoilers), and I haven't seen anything regarding Lady S but she can still make an appearance, her spot in the book has no real storyline to it yet so it does make sense to hold it back for now

In my opinion, revealing Lady S now would be a bit late. The end of season 4 would have been the perfect moment for it. I mean, absolutely perfect. Now, it would just feel a tiny bit irrelevant. It would still be great to have her included at all though.

I would have had her in the season 4 finale, had Jamie go to Riverrun directly, and it would all line up nicely to where we are now. Now it's all a bit disjointed, and Brienne is up at Winterfell. Maybe she'll run into Lady S on her way back south. I guess that'd line things up well enough.

If they followed the books then yes the end of season 4 would have been the perfect WTF moment, BUT considering they seem to be pushing the riverrun story this season, it could make more sense to do it now. Also I believe the actress was doing something different at that time, not sure if she still is but maybe that could also be a reason they held off. At the end of the day, that whole storyline may be completely meaningless too so maybe it just won't be included at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 15, 2016, 12:11:26 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 15, 2016, 10:09:43 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 15, 2016, 08:20:33 AM
Jamie in riverrun this season is rumored (maybe confirmed, I've avoided spoilers), and I haven't seen anything regarding Lady S but she can still make an appearance, her spot in the book has no real storyline to it yet so it does make sense to hold it back for now

In my opinion, revealing Lady S now would be a bit late. The end of season 4 would have been the perfect moment for it. I mean, absolutely perfect. Now, it would just feel a tiny bit irrelevant. It would still be great to have her included at all though.

I would have had her in the season 4 finale, had Jamie go to Riverrun directly, and it would all line up nicely to where we are now. Now it's all a bit disjointed, and Brienne is up at Winterfell. Maybe she'll run into Lady S on her way back south. I guess that'd line things up well enough.

If they followed the books then yes the end of season 4 would have been the perfect WTF moment, BUT considering they seem to be pushing the riverrun story this season, it could make more sense to do it now. Also I believe the actress was doing something different at that time, not sure if she still is but maybe that could also be a reason they held off. At the end of the day, that whole storyline may be completely meaningless too so maybe it just won't be included at all.

I really don't have any spoilers to discuss, I just wanted to say hi in really small letters. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on January 15, 2016, 02:36:32 PM: No way in hell is Lady S going to appear now - after being forgotten for such a long time, her resurrection would be too close to the Jon Snow resurrection (which is happening, much as I or you or anybody might dislike it), so I don't think it's even in the same room as "probable". I don't expect it now and I don't think anybody really seriously is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2016, 02:50:12 PM: Quote from: matthewmatt on January 15, 2016, 02:36:32 PM
No way in hell is Lady S going to appear now - after being forgotten for such a long time, her resurrection would be too close to the Jon Snow resurrection (which is happening, much as I or you or anybody might dislike it), so I don't think it's even in the same room as "probable". I don't expect it now and I don't think anybody really seriously is.

I don't expect it myself either, but given the riverrun plot possibly happening I thought that could be a reason to bring it back, plus if Jamie goes to Riverrun I would imagine we could see the BWB come back. Also the resurection of Jon is a reason to show the resurrection of Cat, like parallels. Well that is one way to interpret it though, but like I said, I do not expect this to happen at this point anyway, just thinking it shouldn't be totally ruled out yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 15, 2016, 03:40:07 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 15, 2016, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: matthewmatt on January 15, 2016, 02:36:32 PM
No way in hell is Lady S going to appear now - after being forgotten for such a long time, her resurrection would be too close to the Jon Snow resurrection (which is happening, much as I or you or anybody might dislike it), so I don't think it's even in the same room as "probable". I don't expect it now and I don't think anybody really seriously is.

I don't expect it myself either, but given the riverrun plot possibly happening I thought that could be a reason to bring it back, plus if Jamie goes to Riverrun I would imagine we could see the BWB come back. Also the resurection of Jon is a reason to show the resurrection of Cat, like parallels. Well that is one way to interpret it though, but like I said, I do not expect this to happen at this point anyway, just thinking it shouldn't be totally ruled out yet.

Considering her part in the books hasn't been too big yet, it's possible the show writers are waiting for the right moment to bring her back. Just some wishful thinking.[size]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 15, 2016, 05:01:36 PM: Tiny text
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 16, 2016, 07:27:16 AM: Goddammit cut it out
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 16, 2016, 10:07:00 AM: Woah, why are you shouting? ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Slipknot on January 18, 2016, 12:45:04 AM: MOTHERFUCKER
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 18, 2016, 03:47:02 PM: https://watchersonthewall.com/first-look-at-jaime-lannister-from-game-of-thrones-season-6/#more-54275
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 19, 2016, 12:10:27 AM: your sig is boneriffic
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 19, 2016, 05:42:12 AM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on January 19, 2016, 12:10:27 AM
your sig is boneriffic

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/18/47/0b/18470bd1d2083fe2081a774a6bdac3e8.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 19, 2016, 12:51:13 PM: fepfepfapfep

Only 2 more months to go. We should totally engage into a healthy DTF GOT drinking game for the premier.

You drink every time someone says 'you know nothing, Jon Snow'
You drink every time 'Winter is coming' is heard
You drink every time someone is killed
You drink every time there's sex on screen
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 19, 2016, 12:53:15 PM: Well, the only person who said, "you know nothing, Jon Snow," is dead. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 19, 2016, 12:54:09 PM: Not quite!

(https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/7/7c/Melisandre_The_Dance_of_Dragons.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150604204859)

I want to be like Jon Snow, so redheads desire me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 19, 2016, 12:55:23 PM: Yes, she did say it once. True, true.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2016, 01:06:49 PM: I'd imagine she will say it at least once more, ya know when she brings him back to life and he said that's not possible

Also, Winter has arrived so we may not be hearing too much of winter is coming, although maybe the folks in Kings Landing will be saying it.

Sex and death are definitely drink worthy though
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on January 21, 2016, 01:04:07 PM: I have found this

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DrinkingGame/GameOfThrones (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DrinkingGame/GameOfThrones)

But I haven't been lucky enough to try it out yet :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 22, 2016, 03:12:33 AM: Anyone else miss that georgious redhead prostitute from season 1? I do. Who's the actress that played her?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 22, 2016, 05:39:28 AM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on January 22, 2016, 03:12:33 AM
Anyone else miss that georgious redhead prostitute from season 1? I do. Who's the actress that played her?

Esme Bianco

She looks even more beautiful IRL
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 22, 2016, 12:44:53 PM: https://watchersonthewall.com/new-promos-for-game-of-thrones-season-6-featuring-houses-stark-lannister-and-targaryen/

:metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 22, 2016, 01:30:10 PM: OMG I'm so excited about this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 22, 2016, 03:23:45 PM: Dammit, I might have to literally fight myself to not watch these and future teasers/trailers. This will be a tough few months.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 22, 2016, 04:56:12 PM: Nice!! The Targaryen one is my favorite.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 22, 2016, 05:27:04 PM: I get emails with updates just about everyday from that website so I'll post more when I get it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 22, 2016, 08:14:37 PM: (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12507615_1114608438563948_697104230545681512_n.jpg?oh=fb7ba78e77f7fda39f5f4f7799cbd561&oe=5738C501)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 22, 2016, 09:50:05 PM: (https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/number-1-dad-best-dad-mug-stannis-baratheon-daughter-killed-game-of-thrones.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DragonAttack on January 22, 2016, 10:59:31 PM: :tup to the last two posters :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on January 24, 2016, 03:51:39 AM: I'm so used to the FB page "Game of Thrones memes" that whenever I see a scene on the show I just can imagine that it's gonna end up in one of those :lol

Also, a pity they stopped halfway through last season, but go googling "If Game of Thrones happened on Facebook", it made me LOL so hard that it helped to cope with the Red Wedding.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 08:23:41 AM: I haven't checked those out in a while. Time to revisit them. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 08:59:31 AM: https://www.thegrumpyfish.com/ian-mcshane-is-bringing-somebody-back-that-you-think-youre-never-going-to-see-again/

I have a couple of thoughts.

What if he is bringing back Ned Stark for some kind of flashback scene. Obviously it wouldn't be too far back of a flashback but if they couldn't get Sean Bean to commit with the schedule, maybe they opted for someone else?

My other thought is The Hound, though the article says it is just for one episode, so if he is still alive it would be for more than one episode.

Maybe there's a flashback scene involving the Targaryen reign and he's playing Barristan Selmy.

Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 24, 2016, 09:15:11 AM: There have been a couple of hints that state Ned Stark is coming back in one way or another.

Maybe it's related to Bran and his new powers? Also, I wonder how much of season 6 will be taken from the upcoming Winds of Winter. Season 5 was a huge departure in several points from the books, so I'm curious whether they're pursuing that path once again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 09:29:56 AM: SPOILERS BELOW!!!

I would assume they'll stay as faithful to the book as possible to keep the main ideas on screen. If they don't use the "lost Targaryen", that could allude to the fact that he was a fake. His absence was a disappointment for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on January 24, 2016, 09:45:17 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 24, 2016, 09:15:11 AM
There have been a couple of hints that state Ned Stark is coming back in one way or another.

Flashback showing yound Ned finding Lyanna on her deathbed and what exactly she wanted him to promise?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 24, 2016, 10:36:20 AM: I think we get a young Ned flashback and we discover through Bran who Jon's real parentage is. I've been calling it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on January 24, 2016, 11:44:50 AM: SPOILERS

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
I would assume they'll stay as faithful to the book as possible to keep the main ideas on screen. If they don't use the "lost Targaryen", that could allude to the fact that he was a fake. His absence was a disappointment for me.
Not necessarily a fake, but otherwise unimportant. They also left out Frog, but given that his story went nowhere whatsoever, that makes sense. It kind of hints the same thing if they don't use other book characters sometime soon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on January 24, 2016, 11:46:28 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 24, 2016, 10:36:20 AM
I think we get a young Ned flashback and we discover through Bran who Jon's real parentage is. I've been calling it.

I agree... all those who could confirm Jon's parentage are dead, and it is my understanding that those who are instead still alive in the book weren't introduced in the show. It has to be some mind hack that Bran does, you can't pop out a character out of nowhere going "How I met your mother" on Jon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 12:57:42 PM: Quote from: ariich on January 24, 2016, 11:44:50 AM
SPOILERS

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
I would assume they'll stay as faithful to the book as possible to keep the main ideas on screen. If they don't use the "lost Targaryen", that could allude to the fact that he was a fake. His absence was a disappointment for me.
Not necessarily a fake, but otherwise unimportant. They also left out Frog, but given that his story went nowhere whatsoever, that makes sense. It kind of hints the same thing if they don't use other book characters sometime soon.

If he is indeed a Targaryen then he will have a part to play. Who knows though.. Maybe he's been shacking up with the Dothraki that Daenerys met up with in last season's finale.

Quote from: MirrorMask on January 24, 2016, 11:46:28 AM

I agree... all those who could confirm Jon's parentage are dead, and it is my understanding that those who are instead still alive in the book weren't introduced in the show. It has to be some mind hack that Bran does, you can't pop out a character out of nowhere going "How I met your mother" on Jon.

Well he wasn't specifically introduced but his kids were and he was mentioned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on January 24, 2016, 01:10:44 PM: SPOILERS

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
If he is indeed a Targaryen then he will have a part to play.
Not if he's killed. Frog seemed like a major character, even being a regular viewpoint character for most of book 5, before being killed off with no impact on anything whatsoever.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 01:19:25 PM: :friday: SPOILERS :friday:

Quote from: ariich on January 24, 2016, 01:10:44 PM
SPOILERS

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
If he is indeed a Targaryen then he will have a part to play.
Not if he's killed. Frog seemed like a major character, even being a regular viewpoint character for most of book 5, before being killed off with no impact on anything whatsoever.

We won't know how much of a part this Targaryen has to play until this coming season. If he doesn't show up at all then I'm going to assume it was nothing. He was alive at the end of the last book, so he's alive as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 05:42:57 AM: Quote from: ariich on January 24, 2016, 01:10:44 PM
SPOILERS

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
If he is indeed a Targaryen then he will have a part to play.
Not if he's killed. Frog seemed like a major character, even being a regular viewpoint character for most of book 5, before being killed off with no impact on anything whatsoever.

To be fair, and I get your point, he did do one thing that I would imagine has an impact.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 05:48:29 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 05:42:57 AM
Quote from: ariich on January 24, 2016, 01:10:44 PM
SPOILERS

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
If he is indeed a Targaryen then he will have a part to play.
Not if he's killed. Frog seemed like a major character, even being a regular viewpoint character for most of book 5, before being killed off with no impact on anything whatsoever.

To be fair, and I get your point, he did do one thing that I would imagine has an impact.

If he is a fraud, then they might have someone else do that one thing. That's why I'm not so quick to discount him. We'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 05:57:06 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 05:48:29 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 05:42:57 AM
Quote from: ariich on January 24, 2016, 01:10:44 PM
SPOILERS

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
If he is indeed a Targaryen then he will have a part to play.
Not if he's killed. Frog seemed like a major character, even being a regular viewpoint character for most of book 5, before being killed off with no impact on anything whatsoever.

To be fair, and I get your point, he did do one thing that I would imagine has an impact.

If he is a fraud, then they might have someone else do that one thing. That's why I'm not so quick to discount him. We'll find out soon enough.

I was referring to Frog in my response. He is already cut from the show, someone else will have to do that one thing and I imagine we see it this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 06:06:33 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 05:57:06 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 05:48:29 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 05:42:57 AM
Quote from: ariich on January 24, 2016, 01:10:44 PM
SPOILERS

Quote from: Prog Snob on January 24, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
If he is indeed a Targaryen then he will have a part to play.
Not if he's killed. Frog seemed like a major character, even being a regular viewpoint character for most of book 5, before being killed off with no impact on anything whatsoever.

To be fair, and I get your point, he did do one thing that I would imagine has an impact.

If he is a fraud, then they might have someone else do that one thing. That's why I'm not so quick to discount him. We'll find out soon enough.

I was referring to Frog in my response. He is already cut from the show, someone else will have to do that one thing and I imagine we see it this season.

I was referring to the "son of Elia and Rhaegar," arriving at Griffin's Roost.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 11:17:49 AM: Gee, whatever happened to potential spoilers being posted in tiny font?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 11:26:58 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 11:17:49 AM
Gee, whatever happened to potential spoilers being posted in tiny font?

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 16, 2016, 07:27:16 AM
Goddammit cut it out

It's a no win scenario :lol

It's odd though because no one knows if any of this discussion is even spoiler. It could potentially never even be in the show and the impact from this in the books are unknown. I'd say it's best to be small font regardless though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 12:40:13 PM: I'm going to take a wild assumption and say that most people who do post here, especially when the show is on its break, have read the books or at least are attempting to catch up.

I only stopped because you said

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 16, 2016, 07:27:16 AM
Goddammit cut it out

:lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on January 25, 2016, 01:11:46 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 11:17:49 AM
Gee, whatever happened to potential spoilers being posted in tiny font?
I just post SPOILERS at the start of my potentially spoilery posts. Tiny text is pretty annoying, I find.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 01:21:43 PM: It's supposed to be annoying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 01:45:29 PM: :jamaritard:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 01:51:04 PM: Mission accomplished

lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 01:55:08 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 01:51:04 PM
Mission accomplished

lol

:lol

It's no more annoying than Joffrey's whining but much less gratifying than seeing that purple choking face of his gasping for its last breaths of air.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 01:56:53 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 01:51:04 PM
Mission accomplished

lol

:lol

It's no more annoying than Joffrey's whining but much less gratifying than seeing that purple choking face of his gasping for its last breaths of air.

Joffrey was one of my favorite all time TV characters. Of course I hated him, but I loved hating him. I was actually upset when he died, the actor was perfect for that role.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 02:00:52 PM: That actor was certainly amazingly gifted at making people hate him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 02:12:11 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 02:00:52 PM
That actor was certainly amazingly gifted at making people hate him.

Everything about him, his small body frame, his squealing voice, the look of disgust, the bitchiness attitude. Perfect.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 25, 2016, 06:28:28 PM: He supposedly isn't going to act anymore.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on January 26, 2016, 05:32:33 AM: Spoilers, I guess.

I think that any guess is as good as the other at this point. I mean, yes, allegedly the creators had iput from GRRM, to have some idea where the story goes... in broad strokes. The divergence of the series from the books has already gotten so high I don't think anyone's really able to make any educated guess as to what will come next based on the books themselves. For all the energy and time GRRM spent on the Meereenese knot (the importance of which still escapes me, BTW) the show doesn't really follow. When I remember the last two books, there are many scenes/storylines that just weren't in the series. The series also concentrate on different things/scenes.

I also think that GRRM might have underestimated his own tendency to spread - after 5 doorstoppers, not that much really happened, winter is still coming, the Others are nowhere to be seen etc. And his plan is to finish it in mere two books. 5 books of world- and ominous-dread-building is impossible to finish that shortly, unless you want to leave a lot of people disappointed. So my guess is, there will probably be more books. But maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 26, 2016, 05:41:49 AM: Either there will be an eighth book, or the next two books are going to be extremely long.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 26, 2016, 07:07:41 AM: Quote from: matthewmatt on January 26, 2016, 05:32:33 AM
Spoilers, I guess.

I think that any guess is as good as the other at this point. I mean, yes, allegedly the creators had iput from GRRM, to have some idea where the story goes... in broad strokes. The divergence of the series from the books has already gotten so high I don't think anyone's really able to make any educated guess as to what will come next based on the books themselves. For all the energy and time GRRM spent on the Meereenese knot (the importance of which still escapes me, BTW) the show doesn't really follow. When I remember the last two books, there are many scenes/storylines that just weren't in the series. The series also concentrate on different things/scenes.

I also think that GRRM might have underestimated his own tendency to spread - after 5 doorstoppers, not that much really happened, winter is still coming, the Others are nowhere to be seen etc. And his plan is to finish it in mere two books. 5 books of world- and ominous-dread-building is impossible to finish that shortly, unless you want to leave a lot of people disappointed. So my guess is, there will probably be more books. But maybe I'm wrong.

It's hard to say without knowing where the story is going. I'd imagine it could be done in two books if he starts writing in a direction towards the end and not creating more characters and more plots, but it will take a lot of story telling to get there so I agree with you on that part.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on January 26, 2016, 11:08:22 AM: Quote from: matthewmatt on January 26, 2016, 05:32:33 AM
I also think that GRRM might have underestimated his own tendency to spread - after 5 doorstoppers, not that much really happened, winter is still coming, the Others are nowhere to be seen etc. And his plan is to finish it in mere two books. 5 books of world- and ominous-dread-building is impossible to finish that shortly, unless you want to leave a lot of people disappointed. So my guess is, there will probably be more books. But maybe I'm wrong.

Not saying you're wrong, but at the end of book 5 winter has officially come, white raven and all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 26, 2016, 11:15:13 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 02:00:52 PM
That actor was certainly amazingly gifted at making people hate him.

Everything about him, his small body frame, his squealing voice, the look of disgust, the bitchiness attitude. Perfect.

That probably is causing him a lot of trouble in his life lol. People looking at him and going like "OMG that's Joffrey I HATE YOU"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 26, 2016, 11:19:43 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 26, 2016, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on January 25, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 02:00:52 PM
That actor was certainly amazingly gifted at making people hate him.

Everything about him, his small body frame, his squealing voice, the look of disgust, the bitchiness attitude. Perfect.

That probably is causing him a lot of trouble in his life lol. People looking at him and going like "OMG that's Joffrey I HATE YOU"

lol I can imagine people immediately don't like him when they see him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on January 26, 2016, 03:15:20 PM: And by all accounts he's a very nice bloke.

Think of it, he was so good at acting, that he made us all cheer to see a teenage boy die painfully in front of their parents ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 27, 2016, 03:05:09 AM: Seriously. :lol I loved watching interviews with him after he left the show though. He dealt with the questions about him being a prick in the show extremely professionally and humorously.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2016, 06:22:27 AM: https://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/26/game-of-thrones-pilot-jon-arryn (https://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/26/game-of-thrones-pilot-jon-arryn)

The article says there are spoilers, but unless you haven't watched the show, there are no spoilers.

Essentially the show actually filmed a scene for the pilot of Jon Arryn's death that never got used.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 27, 2016, 06:44:19 AM: I knew about that. Maybe it's something that will be seen eventually, like on a DVD/Blu-ray release.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 28, 2016, 03:23:12 PM: GoT quiz for fun https://www.zoo.com/quiz/the-ultimate-game-of-thrones-quiz?mkcpgn=i600001025&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=hswaccount& (https://www.zoo.com/quiz/the-ultimate-game-of-thrones-quiz?mkcpgn=i600001025&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=hswaccount&)

I got 40/41, I think the one I got wrong was a trick question though, no spoilers and I think it's based solely off the show, but I'm not sure you'd easily know a couple of the answers without reading the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on January 29, 2016, 12:10:15 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 28, 2016, 03:23:12 PM
GoT quiz for fun https://www.zoo.com/quiz/the-ultimate-game-of-thrones-quiz?mkcpgn=i600001025&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=hswaccount& (https://www.zoo.com/quiz/the-ultimate-game-of-thrones-quiz?mkcpgn=i600001025&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=hswaccount&)

I got 40/41, I think the one I got wrong was a trick question though, no spoilers and I think it's based solely off the show, but I'm not sure you'd easily know a couple of the answers without reading the books.

I got 38/41, but I honestly think no. 14 is wrong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 01:32:46 AM: 40/41

As far as 14, I know that Robert calling Cersei Lyanna really pissed her off. She said that in beginning she was in love with Robert, so I think it would have had to happen after the marriage, not before.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on January 29, 2016, 01:54:41 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 01:32:46 AM
40/41

As far as 14, I know that Robert calling Cersei Lyanna really pissed her off. She said that in beginning she was in love with Robert, so I think it would have had to happen after the marriage, not before.

Yeah, but I definitely remember something along the lines their relationship was stained from the very first moment, because Cersei was in love with RT and when Robert killed him and married her instead, she was already a bit sour about that. And calling her Lyanna just sealed the deal. Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 02:01:33 AM: I don't remember it perfectly either. Was she in love with RT, or was she just interested in power?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on January 29, 2016, 02:42:48 AM: All I can find right now is the following quote from AWOIAF:

"When Cersei was a girl, her father promised her that she would marry Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and would one day become queen. She was delighted by this news and became infatuated with Rhaegar upon their first meeting at the tourney for King Aerys II."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 03:41:08 AM: I do remember that line. Hmm... Is that what did it for her though? Can you find her quote about the Lyanna reference?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on January 29, 2016, 04:00:55 AM: I'm at work now, but when I get home, after I listen to TA at least once ( ;D ), I will do a more thorough research. So far it's neither here nor there.

EDIT: Oh, I think I found it:

https://books.google.cz/books?id=NuMx6tmf5iIC&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq=never+forgive+Robert+for+killing+Rhaegar&source=bl&ots=EmyWvEYIZ0&sig=JoAlZZYJDR-Ea6kSoBStGU27wP4&hl=cs&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_5ffH8c7KAhWGaxQKHc4oCQoQ6AEIVDAG#v=onepage&q=never%20forgive%20Robert%20for%20killing%20Rhaegar&f=false (https://books.google.cz/books?id=NuMx6tmf5iIC&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq=never+forgive+Robert+for+killing+Rhaegar&source=bl&ots=EmyWvEYIZ0&sig=JoAlZZYJDR-Ea6kSoBStGU27wP4&hl=cs&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_5ffH8c7KAhWGaxQKHc4oCQoQ6AEIVDAG#v=onepage&q=never%20forgive%20Robert%20for%20killing%20Rhaegar&f=false)

(hope the link works). Should be page 362. I think that's where I got the idea (and other people on the net, too). But maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Also, quoting another person from a different forum:

To my point- in Cersei's chapters, and more than once, we see her actually fawning over the memory of Rhaegar. She even thinks to herself that if he were alive today, her life would be much better, and the realm would probably be in a better place as well. She remembers how beautiful he was, his harp that made her weep, and even drawing she and him together on dragon back and hiding it from Jaime, whom she supposedly never hid anything from.

This is surprising for a person that tends to not think of almost ANYONE around here with much great extreme. She remembers her father fondly, yet she realizes that he had his faults. Whilst remembering Rhaegar though, she remembers a man beautiful, cunning and loved by all. Even a quote saying that at a tournament, people cheered for their father above all, but only half as loud as when they cheered for Rhaegar. I find it very interesting that a person like Cersei can speak of someone in this magnitude and still hold that much love for him even after his death. In a weird way this creates a very weird and twisted paradox of her marriage. Robert hated Rhaegar for "killing" his love Lyanna, in ways Cersei hated Robert for killing her love Rhaegar, yet in the end, Cersei and Robert entered into a grudging and loveless marriage. As she even states, "the wrong man came back from the Trident that day"....

The Lyanna reference I can't find right now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 04:37:41 AM: Maybe they took the questions from their knowledge of the show, because I know you hear that Lyanna reference mentioned there. However, I don't think she ever alludes to her love for Rhaegar. I know she asks the question in the flashback scene, but that's not really any profession of love.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 06:15:25 AM: I'm pretty sure the quiz was based on the show, I don't recall them using the back reference of Cersei being interested in Rheagar in the show, but they certainly brought up the "Lyanna" during the bedding scene which is why i think that was the answer.

The "trick" question I was referring too and got wrong was "Who won the tourney of the hand?"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 06:29:49 AM: Since I assumed the quiz was a show reference, Sandor was the first that came to mind. Though in ASOIAF, there are many references to different Tourney's of the Hand.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 06:32:55 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 06:29:49 AM
Since I assumed the quiz was a show reference, Sandor was the first that came to mind. Though in ASOIAF, there are many references to different Tourney's of the Hand.

Yes, I only assumed it was the one we saw on the show and while Sandor was the answer, Loras was the actual winner, it's just that Loras gave the win to Sandor. That's why I thought it was a trick question.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 06:39:55 AM: Shit, that's right. Loras actually won that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on January 29, 2016, 08:26:24 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 06:15:25 AM
I'm pretty sure the quiz was based on the show, I don't recall them using the back reference of Cersei being interested in Rheagar in the show, but they certainly brought up the "Lyanna" during the bedding scene which is why i think that was the answer.

The "trick" question I was referring too and got wrong was "Who won the tourney of the hand?"

I don't think quiz was based on the show. There was no Vargo Hoat on the show, and there's a question about him, for instance.

Oh, and I got 40/41 failing the question about Robert and Cersei too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 11:12:43 AM: Shit, I just realized that the Dream Theater show in NYC and the return of Game of Thrones are in the same weekend! Best weekend in a long time!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 11:48:26 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 29, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
Shit, I just realized that the Dream Theater show in NYC and the return of Game of Thrones are in the same weekend! Best weekend in a long time!

Wow, it sure will be! And the week before is Avantasia in NYC. Going to be a lot of fun that week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on January 29, 2016, 11:55:09 AM: I got 40/41, I think the quiz takes some of its info from the show and some from the books.

The one I missed was Tywin's last words. I was sure it was "Wherever whores go"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on January 29, 2016, 11:58:03 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on January 29, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
I got 40/41, I think the quiz takes some of its info from the show and some from the books.

The one I missed was Tywin's last words. I was sure it was "Wherever whores go"

These words are what makes Tyrion shoot. But, well, Tywin didn't die that easily and he was surprised saying something along the lines "you shot me", Tyrion responded with something witty about "ah, you're always so perceptive, small wonder you're the Hand of the King" and Tywin replied Tyrion isn't his son and then died.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on January 29, 2016, 12:02:33 PM: Quote from: Evermind on January 29, 2016, 11:58:03 AM
These words are what makes Tyrion shoot. But, well, Tywin didn't die that easily and he was surprised saying something along the lines "you shot me", Tyrion responded with something witty about "ah, you're always so perceptive, small wonder you're the Hand of the King" and Tywin replied Tyrion isn't his son and then died.

Of course you're right, but it occured to me right after I clicked on the wrong answer :facepalm:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on February 12, 2016, 07:27:57 AM: First look at Season 6: Photos (https://medium.com/hbo-cinemax-pr/game-of-thrones-first-look-season-6-photography-8b70b718be00#.a7gb2g2i3)

I like the Arya one a lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zydar on February 12, 2016, 07:31:51 AM: Max von Sydow :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 12, 2016, 08:32:02 AM: Quote from: Zydar on February 12, 2016, 07:31:51 AM
Max von Sydow :tup
This
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 12, 2016, 08:38:39 AM: %Spoiler$

I see Stannis is back....

Spoiler....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on February 12, 2016, 08:39:44 AM: Wait, Stannis? I don't see him anywhere on the photos.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2016, 08:42:22 AM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on February 12, 2016, 08:38:39 AM
%Spoiler$

I see Stannis is back....

Spoiler....

Got to do a better job with spoiler tag if this is true, but I have not seen anything that says it. Regardless, small font please.

The pics are great, glad to see the Greyjoys back

The one pic looks like it could be the Kingsmoot
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on February 12, 2016, 09:25:06 AM: Oh god, not small fonts. Can't people just post a big SPOILERS thing instead so that people know to avoid the post?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2016, 09:48:25 AM: Quote from: ariich on February 12, 2016, 09:25:06 AM
Oh god, not small fonts. Can't people just post a big SPOILERS thing instead so that people know to avoid the post?

except you scroll down and still see it, yes you can try to avoid it but its not as easy to avoid when the font is small.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 12, 2016, 01:06:51 PM: It doesn't matter. There's no photo of him anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 12, 2016, 01:57:17 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on February 12, 2016, 01:06:51 PM
It doesn't matter. There's no photo of him anyway.

Agreed, but just in the future. I would hate to be spoiled about Stannis being alive because of all the deaths last season his seemed most believable. And obviously Myrcella is now confirmed although that was also pretty believable too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 13, 2016, 04:35:39 AM: Quote from: Evermind on February 12, 2016, 08:39:44 AM
Wait, Stannis? I don't see him anywhere on the photos.

I meant Davos, sorry. Glad to see him back, though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2016, 08:43:27 AM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on February 13, 2016, 04:35:39 AM
Quote from: Evermind on February 12, 2016, 08:39:44 AM
Wait, Stannis? I don't see him anywhere on the photos.

I meant Davos, sorry. Glad to see him back, though.

Yup, Davos is an awesome man.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 14, 2016, 01:33:25 PM: https://watchersonthewall.com/game-of-thrones-season-6-teaser-leaks-early/#more-56039
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 15, 2016, 09:54:35 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on February 14, 2016, 01:33:25 PM
https://watchersonthewall.com/game-of-thrones-season-6-teaser-leaks-early/#more-56039

Interesting, but I wonder if that was made for the teaser and not actually season footage?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 15, 2016, 10:07:52 AM: I think it's just a teaser.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 15, 2016, 02:56:51 PM: So, do you guys think Stannis made it?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 15, 2016, 07:24:10 PM: I'm going to guess that he didn't. There's no way Brienne went all that way just to approach him on the battlefield and let him go. I know her main reason for traveling was to find the Stark children. However, she also swore to avenge Renly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 15, 2016, 07:27:08 PM: Yeah, that makes sense.

That being said, I really hope he made it. The TV show Stannis made such a departure from the book Stannis that I feel he has to redeem himself somehow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 15, 2016, 07:40:40 PM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 15, 2016, 07:27:08 PM
Yeah, that makes sense.

That being said, I really hope he made it. The TV show Stannis made such a departure from the book Stannis that I feel he has to redeem himself somehow.

I really liked his character and was hoping he would make it, too. However, now I think Melisandre knows that Stannis was not the man to support.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on February 16, 2016, 02:28:03 AM: I think Stannis is dead dead. I seem to remember even GRRM confirmed it in regards to the show, but I'm not going to bother to look it up, so there is a small chance I may be mistaken.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2016, 08:08:03 AM: Quote from: Evermind on February 16, 2016, 02:28:03 AM
I think Stannis is dead dead. I seem to remember even GRRM confirmed it in regards to the show, but I'm not going to bother to look it up, so there is a small chance I may be mistaken.

I believe he did as well. I think he is dead. I'm OK with it. His story had come to an end and Brienne was the appropriate person to do the deed. I wish they showed it though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 19, 2016, 01:42:19 PM: https://runt-of-the-web.com/winds-of-winter-rat?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fbpdgeorgerr (https://runt-of-the-web.com/winds-of-winter-rat?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fbpdgeorgerr)

Well the new book will be large/heavy enough to kill a rat :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 19, 2016, 02:07:34 PM: WTF
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on February 20, 2016, 05:00:11 AM: Before the new season comes, a little look back at the first book / season...

One thing that puzzled me a bit was how the whole parentage of Cersei's children resolved into a big nothing. The first book / season can, in some ways, be seen as a "mystery novel" - the good protagonist, Ned Stark, investigates the murder of the former Hand of the King and discovers the terrible and horrible secret that shakes the foundation of the realm... Cersei's children, the supposedly offspring of King Robert Baratheon, are all born of incest with her brother!!! and Ned realizes it by, essentially, really looking at them: they're all blonde as their true parents and no Baratheon ever sired a non-black haired son.

Ned loses his head, the truth gets out because he informed Stannis and... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS.

The secret was not, well, so secret: it was there in plain sight for all to see, if only one would look. The children are all blonde, once you get told they're Jaimie's it should be crystal clear that it's the actual true, and nobody in the realm gives a damn.

Sure, there are explanations: Stannis broke the news, and he could have passed as self-serving. And even if he was right, he's hated by everyone so no one would want him as king. Then there's Tywin Lannister with all of his power, gold and tendency to go Rain of Castamere on you if you blink an eye the wrong way. But such a big scandal could have really been put away just by the dislike for Stannis and the fear of Tywin?

Just imagine in our real world what even the allegation that William and Henry of England were born of incest between Diana and her brother, with a physical resemblance to back it up, would do. Seems to me that the Lannisters got it very easy, or maybe I'm just underestimating Tywin's power and influence... it's just that there were no real consequences for Cersei and Jaimie - all those who were in arms against them were already so for other reasons, no one in the seven kingdoms said "screw it, Joffrey's a bastard" because of the revelation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on February 20, 2016, 05:04:02 AM: Quote
Ned loses his head, the truth gets out because he informed Stannis and... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS.

And remember that in the book Ned wasn't even able to inform Stannis. :lol Stannis and Jon Arryn reached the conclusion themselves.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 07:20:55 AM: But there was an active rebellion due to this... that's the entire 2nd season, a Clash of Kings, the war of the 5 Kings.

Stannis lost the Battle of Blackwater, that effectively kept the Lannisters in Kings Landing and rulers of the Realm.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on February 20, 2016, 07:39:36 AM: Yeah, Stannis acted on that, but Rob Stark was already at war with the Lannisters, and Renly just wanted to be king so he jojned in. It all seemed more a "King Robert is dead, let's take a chance to grab power" kind of thing more than a "What? Joffrey is a bastard born of incest? screw you Lannisters, you can forget my alliance" thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 07:52:18 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on February 20, 2016, 07:39:36 AM
Yeah, Stannis acted on that, but Rob Stark was already at war with the Lannisters, and Renly just wanted to be king so he jojned in. It all seemed more a "King Robert is dead, let's take a chance to grab power" kind of thing more than a "What? Joffrey is a bastard born of incest? screw you Lannisters, you can forget my alliance" thing.

Rob was not at war until Ned's head was chopped off which was because of the accusation of incest. Renly wanted to just be king because he had the biggest army, yes, but would not have ever tried to be King if it was not for the war started because of the incest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on February 20, 2016, 08:42:37 AM: Rob was coming down 'cause Ned was imprisoned... but then again, he was imprisoned because of his "treason".

Well, guess I got my answer then, I never fully realized how much the incest was actually important, since all the parties at war were not best buddies with the Lannisters to begin with and there was no clear and sudden 180° turn from their friends and allies.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 09:01:01 AM: I think it was a power grab for most of those involved, but for Robb Stark it was to avenge his father. The Starks never had a desire to sit on the Iron Throne. Incest caused Stannis' part in the war because it questioned the legitimacy of Joffrey's claim. Renly was just a fool to even get involved in the war and didn't have a claim regardless of the incest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on February 20, 2016, 09:39:45 AM: Yeah, Renly acted dumb with all that "people love me, I will make a better king than Stannis, yay" line of thinking. I've got to say though, if Ned actually supported him and followed his advice instead of trusting LF... well we would've been reading the different story now.

And I say Renly acted dumb, but we've got perspective. He had no way of knowing about Melisandre's abilities, he had numbers, he believed he would've made a good king, well, from his perspective he had every right to claim the throne. I mean, his brother got it through the right of conquest, why would he be any different?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 09:53:49 AM: Renly and Robert are two different animals, and that's where he's foolish.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on February 20, 2016, 09:55:36 AM: Well yeah, we know that, but he was quite self-deluded so he didn't realise that. His move was completely justified from his perspective.

Things like that is why I love this story so much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 10:14:27 AM: Of course, there's so much to analyze and play "what if" with. It's a soap opera for men. Not that there aren't women who love the story, but let's face it. They don't analyze it to death the way we do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 11:16:49 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 10:14:27 AM
Of course, there's so much to analyze and play "what if" with. It's a soap opera for men. Not that there aren't women who love the story, but let's face it. They don't analyze it to death the way we do.

::)

https://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/
https://theculturalvacuum.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 11:38:56 AM: The point being...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 11:39:39 AM: These are both blogs written by women that extensively analyse both the show and the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 11:43:14 AM: I get that, but generally speaking the amount of women that analyze the show and books to death are probably the same as the percentage of female Dream Theater fans.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 11:46:33 AM: Right, but you didn't say that you didn't think *most* women didn't analyze it. I quote:

"Not that there aren't women who love the story, but let's face it. They don't analyze it to death the way we do. "

And, in fact, some of the major theory posters and analysts on Westeros.org are women.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 11:53:34 AM: "They" as a whole. I guess I shouldn't expect someone to have intuition and not really expect me to actually believe no women at all will analyze it the way we do. I'll spell things out more clearly next time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 11:59:13 AM: It's not about intuition, man. It's about the fact that in the Game of Thrones community (And the ASoIaF community, but less so), and indeed nerd culture in general, there is a tendency to exclude women by saying shit like you just said, or that women can't be real nerds.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 12:04:09 PM: And that's not what I said. If you read the previous sentence, I said, "not that there aren't women who love the story." I intentionally said that so it wouldn't seem like I WAS neglecting a whole gender. You inferring that I said that is making this discussion an exercise in futility. I know all about female nerds and geeks. I've dated quite a few, so lets not act like I'm being misogynistic.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 12:06:26 PM: You said that some women love the show, then immediately moved on to say that they didn't analyze it the same way that men do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 12:13:52 PM: Well as a whole, they don't. There is no argument that there are far more fanatical male GoT fans than there are female fans. Go to any fansite and you'll see that. So what's the problem?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 12:18:16 PM: Consider:

A) That there may be fewer female fans of GoT, but the difference is probably less for ASoIaF
B) Those female fans that there are may feel discouraged from talking about their fandom due to the hostile reaction women get in many fan communities (or many women pretend to be men in these communities for the same reason)

Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on February 20, 2016, 12:22:08 PM: You guys just turned this thread into a whole lot of not-fun. As if I hadn't encountered this debate enough on westeros.org.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 12:23:19 PM: Sorry :lol

Even if PS didn't mean it like that, a lot of people do, and it's indicative of the problem I have with the show, so it's sort of a sore spot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2016, 12:27:36 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 12:18:16 PM
Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.

That's leaving yourself wide open for a whole lot of discussion that I'm sure you don't want to partake in. In terms of only believing things if they can be seen, I mean.

Quote from: Evermind on February 20, 2016, 12:22:08 PM
You guys just turned this thread into a whole lot of not-fun. As if I hadn't encountered this debate enough on westeros.org.

There is no debate. It's a misunderstanding, and that's it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 02:25:23 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
Sorry :lol

Even if PS didn't mean it like that, a lot of people do, and it's indicative of the problem I have with the show, so it's sort of a sore spot.

What does this argument have to do with "problem I have with the show"?

I think it's true that GoT has more male fans than female just because of the genre is more popular by males, but GoT/ASoIaF actually does have a significant amount of female fans. Some of who I know and have had many in depth discussions with, conversations not different at all that I would have with male fans.

Either way, Stannis had a legitimate claim to the throne and wanted it, Renly did not have a claim, but had an army so he wanted it, Rob wanted revenge and did not want the throne, but to take the North away from Lannister rule, and then well there was that 5th Kind Balon who well didn't do a whole much, but try to take the North while they were fighting the Lannisters. All of which was a chain effect from the incest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 02:35:33 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 02:25:23 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
Sorry :lol

Even if PS didn't mean it like that, a lot of people do, and it's indicative of the problem I have with the show, so it's sort of a sore spot.

What does this argument have to do with "problem I have with the show"?

To simplify a complex issue: The show inserts a lot of sexism and sexist tropes that do not exist in the book, or whitewash the sexist actions of characters because they like them (like Cersei and Tyrion). This is something they think they can get away with because of this perception of which people are watching this show, ie; men.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 02:46:01 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 02:25:23 PM
Quote from: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
Sorry :lol

Even if PS didn't mean it like that, a lot of people do, and it's indicative of the problem I have with the show, so it's sort of a sore spot.

What does this argument have to do with "problem I have with the show"?

To simplify a complex issue: The show inserts a lot of sexism and sexist tropes that do not exist in the book, or whitewash the sexist actions of characters because they like them (like Cersei and Tyrion). This is something they think they can get away with because of this perception of which people are watching this show, ie; men.

Ah yes, now I remember your views on this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 02:55:17 PM: Yeah... I try not to post in this thread because I honestly don't want to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the show by bitching about it, but noone posts in the ASoIaF thread :sadpanda

The main reason I won't be watching come April is because I don't want anything else spoiled (albeit stripped of context)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 03:28:47 PM: To each their own without wanting to watch. Since I read after season 2 I have no issue watching before reading. It'll also be fairly different so I wonder how much will be spoiling the next book and in what ways. At the end of the day, I wouldn't be able to stop watching until the books are finished because that may never happen so might as well enjoy the ride of the show, plus it'll be hard to avoid spoilers due to the popularity of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 03:40:52 PM: I get what you're saying about it not really being able to spoil the books, but look at last season, in particular, Stannis burning Shireen. This hasn't happened in the books, but when they were criticized for it, D&D immediately threw their hands up and said "WELL IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE BOOK OKAY?"

Now, I am confident the circumstances will be quite different... for one, Shireen isn't even with Stannis in the book right now, she's at the wall. What I expect is that Mel will convince Selyse to burn Shireen, and Selyse will do it because she's a zealot and sorta fucked in the head. Could be that Stannis will then still lose the Battle of Ice, and his life, which will prompt Selyse's suicide.

And that's the problem... even if the context is different, I can make a pretty good guess as to how it's going to go down in the books, and I don't want to be able to make those kinds of guesses.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 03:43:29 PM: And to me that is part of the fun of watching, to discuss and think about how the book will play it out. Like I said, I don't have the patience to wait forever for the books so I like to think of this in a fun way and enjoy it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 21, 2016, 04:43:18 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on February 20, 2016, 03:40:52 PM
And that's the problem... even if the context is different, I can make a pretty good guess as to how it's going to go down in the books, and I don't want to be able to make those kinds of guesses.
I blame Martin.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 21, 2016, 10:39:14 AM: Melisandre at a baby shower. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5C6kG57J7Q
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on February 21, 2016, 10:44:12 AM: Saw it the other day, it was awesome :lol

"A shadow demon? where's the funny part???"
"The part where he kills Renly!
.....ah, I guess you had to be there."

:rollin

Also, the rattlesword was awesome!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on February 22, 2016, 07:43:39 AM: That was great! Can't wait for the new season!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 27, 2016, 10:04:30 AM: (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10003072_582119885228825_6417118916389476772_n.jpg?oh=80d2e6a1bce2ec397ba2251b7d20a216&oe=577172E5)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 28, 2016, 05:17:42 AM: lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 01, 2016, 10:50:22 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on February 21, 2016, 10:39:14 AM
Melisandre at a baby shower. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5C6kG57J7Q
:lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on March 08, 2016, 06:51:21 PM: Season 6 trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuH3tJPiP-U&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 08, 2016, 07:55:29 PM: Okay, lets make sure I got everything.

0:01 – 0:07 – The Wall/Scene of Jon Snow dead
0:07 – 0:12 – It looks like a Dornish ship approaching King's Landing
0:12 – 0:16 – Jaime and Cersei Lannister scene
0:16 – 0:18 – Davos near Castle Black
0:19 – 0:25 – The Boltons and their victory
0:26 – 0:26 – Melisandre talking to Davos, saying what she saw in the flames was a lie
0:27 – 0:33 – Jorah and Daario
0:34 – 0:40 – Daenerys walking with the Dothraki
0:40 – 0:42 – High Sparrow
0:42 – 0:45 – Kingsmoot?
0:45 – 0:46 – Sansa
0:47 – 0:50 – Tyrion
0:50 – 0:51 – Drogon flying
0:51 – 0:53 – nothing
0:53 – 0:59 – Lancel, Cersei, and The Mountain
1:00 – 1:00 – I'm unsure of who that is
1:00 – 1:01 – it looks like the night's watch. I think that's Allister on the left.
1:01 – 1:02 – Tommen walking with his King's guard and Cersei walking with the Mountain
1:02 – 1:02 – Horsemen riding. Maybe Greyjoy men?
1:02 – 1:03 – Maybe Euron's ship?
1:04 – 1:05 – Arya getting whacked by (it looks like someone in an Arya mask).
1:05 – 1:05 – Petyr Baelish
1:05 – 1:06 – Queen Margaery <3
1:06 – 1:06 – Is that Coldhands lashing at someone?
1:07 – 1:07 – Greyjoy men or Boltons?
1:07 – 1:08 – Mereen or King's Landing?
1:08 – 1:09 – two scenes with Theon?
1:09 – 1:09 – Jaime and Cersei
1:09 – 1:10 – Brienne killing someone
1:10 – 1:10 – Melisandre at the Fires
1:11 – 1:12 – Hall of Faces
1:12 – 1:12 – Melisandre
1:13 – 1:13 – Jon Snow with someone's hands on him (maybe Edd?)
1:13 – 1:14 – someone jumping maybe in either King's Landing or Braavos?
1:14 – 1:15 – Boltons and the Wildlings? Fighting
1:15 – 1:15 – oooh sexy time.
1:15 – 1:16 – Someone removing their hood, quite possibly Euron?
1:16 – 1:16 – fighting. Why does the one without the helmet look like Ned Stark from behind? Hmmm
1:16 – 1:17 – Tormund with the Boltons (I see the flayed man on the shield)
1:17 – 1:18 – Queen Margaery <3 with the High Sparrow
1:18 – 1:18 – not sure what that is (looks like someone getting beaten by a crowd)
1:18 – 1:19 – Arya
1:19 – 1:19 – Tommen & his men meeting with the High Sparrow, perhaps to free Queen Margaery <3
1:19 – 1:19 – Sansa running in the forest
1:20 – 1:20 – Dothraki
1:20 – 1:21 – Boltons? Greyjoys?
1:21 – 1:21 – Bran with the Night's King
1:22 – 1:29 – nothing
1:29 – 1:34 – Davos… it looks like he's trying to protect Jon from some of the night's watch men.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Enigmachine on March 09, 2016, 06:55:21 AM: That trailer is absolutely packed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 06:56:31 AM: My daughter is due to be born around the time of the debut. I know she's coming on the 24th.

Awesome trailer. Jon Snow is dead, the question is who will he be resurrected as.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2016, 08:59:38 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 06:56:31 AM
Jon Snow is dead, the question is who will he be resurrected as.

He will come back as Larry "Bud" Melman.

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/Calvert_DeForest_1990_zpsekfwzkh9.jpg)

The choice is made! The Traveller has come!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on March 09, 2016, 09:09:29 AM: I was debating if I should watch S6, but hell, I just watched this trailer and of course I will be watching. You can expect some lengthy rants from me at the very least.

And of course Jorah and Daario were able to find that ring Dany purposefully dropped in S5. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on March 09, 2016, 09:09:49 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 06:56:31 AM
My daughter is due to be born around the time of the debut. I know she's coming on the 24th.
Will you name her Winter?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2016, 09:44:42 AM: That last part of the trailer with Bran and the Nights Kind :o
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 10:14:00 AM: Quote from: ariich on March 09, 2016, 09:09:49 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 06:56:31 AM
My daughter is due to be born around the time of the debut. I know she's coming on the 24th.
Will you name her Winter?

Lol, I'll float that by my wife.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on March 09, 2016, 11:46:33 AM: I went through the trailer shot by shot as well. Just added some of my comments or additions to Prog Snob's post - tried not to specifically post book spoilers or rumours but if you're avoiding book spoilers or a tiny bit of speculation based on casting etc. then maybe avoid reading them. Green means my comments here, not sarcasm :p
Quote from: Prog Snob on March 08, 2016, 07:55:29 PM
Okay, lets make sure I got everything.

0:01 – 0:07 – The Wall/Scene of Jon Snow dead
0:07 – 0:12 – It looks like a Dornish ship approaching King's Landing
0:12 – 0:16 – Jaime and Cersei Lannister scene
0:16 – 0:18 – Davos near Castle Black
0:19 – 0:25 – The Boltons and their victory
0:26 – 0:26 – Melisandre talking to Davos, saying what she saw in the flames was a lie
0:27 – 0:33 – Jorah and Daario
0:34 – 0:40 – Daenerys walking with the Dothraki
0:40 – 0:42 – High Sparrow
0:42 – 0:45 – Kingsmoot?
0:45 – 0:46 – Sansa
0:47 – 0:50 – Tyrion (Going down into a dark tunnel, looks like he could be going for the dragons)
0:50 – 0:51 – Drogon flying
0:51 – 0:53 – nothing
0:53 – 0:59 – Lancel, Cersei, and The Mountain
1:00 – 1:00 – I'm unsure of who that is (A group of Northern fighters... a particular flashback, same as the one with a guy that looks like young Ned Stark later)
1:00 – 1:01 – it looks like the night's watch. I think that's Allister on the left. (Yep, trying to break into a room by the looks of it - probably where Jon's body and Davos are in the end of the trailer)
1:01 – 1:02 – Tommen walking with his King's guard and Cersei walking with the Mountain
1:02 – 1:02 – Horsemen riding. Maybe Greyjoy men? (Probably forces from a battle in the North)
1:02 – 1:03 – Maybe Euron's ship? (Very likely. Greyjoy ships at least if it's not Euron's own)
1:04 – 1:05 – Arya getting whacked by (it looks like someone in an Arya mask).
1:05 – 1:05 – Petyr Baelish
1:05 – 1:06 – Queen Margaery <3
1:06 – 1:06 – Is that Coldhands lashing at someone? (This is actually the part of the trailer I am most curious about. Certainly looks North of the wall. Could be a wight getting killed. Is that a magical firebomb or a regular weapon?)
1:07 – 1:07 – Greyjoy men or Boltons? (Bolton forces from the banners)
1:07 – 1:08 – Mereen or King's Landing? (Looks like Meereen, Danaerys's chambers, with something smashing into them... dragons?)
1:08 – 1:09 – two scenes with Theon? (Looks like he has ran into Bolton men after escaping Winterfell)
(The next scene isn't Theon, I thought that too... it's Euron. He really looks like an older Theon!)
1:09 – 1:09 – Jaime and Cersei
1:09 – 1:10 – Brienne killing someone (Looks like a Bolton man in a similar scene to Theon... maybe she saves him / Sansa from Bolton pursuers)
1:10 – 1:10 – Melisandre at the Fires (Is that actually her? Does she wear that ring?)
1:11 – 1:12 – Hall of Faces
1:12 – 1:12 – Melisandre
1:13 – 1:13 – Jon Snow with someone's hands on him (maybe Edd?) (I was thinking Melisandre, I am not sure)
1:13 – 1:14 – someone jumping maybe in either King's Landing or Braavos? (I think it's Arya in Braavos)
1:14 – 1:15 – Boltons and the Wildlings? Fighting
1:15 – 1:15 – oooh sexy time. (I think one of them might be Yara, Theon's sister)
1:15 – 1:16 – Someone removing their hood, quite possibly Euron? (Looks like it... on a rope bridge!)
1:16 – 1:16 – fighting. Why does the one without the helmet look like Ned Stark from behind? Hmmm (Yep, fighting someone in Targaryen armour too)
1:16 – 1:17 – Tormund with the Boltons (I see the flayed man on the shield)
(After this there's a scene of horsemen charging into battle - one of them looks a bit like Jon Snow actually but I don't know if they would put that in the trailer even in a crowd shot..)
1:17 – 1:18 – Queen Margaery <3 with the High Sparrow
1:18 – 1:18 – not sure what that is (looks like someone getting beaten by a crowd) (Not sure of this either, it might be a bunch of children stabbing someone though)
1:18 – 1:19 – Arya
1:19 – 1:19 – Tommen & his men meeting with the High Sparrow, perhaps to free Queen Margaery <3 (Looks like Jaime on the stairs)
1:19 – 1:19 – Sansa running in the forest (Probably pursued by Boltons after escaping Winterfell, same as Theon)
1:20 – 1:20 – Dothraki
1:20 – 1:21 – Boltons? Greyjoys? (Probably the wildlings or Northerners)
1:21 – 1:21 – Bran with the Night's King (Awesome scene for the trailer!)
1:22 – 1:29 – nothing
1:29 – 1:34 – Davos… it looks like he's trying to protect Jon from some of the night's watch men. (Using Longclaw (Jon's sword) to do it... and Ghost is there too. Likely trying to get control of Jon's body for something... Great end to the trailer)

I know there's more detailed and thorough posts about it on reddit etc. now, maybe they have answered some of my questions.

Like I said, very curious about the dark figure on horse killing something with fire. Most of the other most interesting parts I've at least got a good idea of what part of the story that might be from.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 09, 2016, 12:04:08 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: ariich on March 09, 2016, 09:09:49 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on March 09, 2016, 06:56:31 AM
My daughter is due to be born around the time of the debut. I know she's coming on the 24th.
Will you name her Winter?

Lol, I'll float that by my wife.

No, that was your name 8 months ago. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 09, 2016, 12:10:33 PM: I made comments after some of yours (in red).

Quote from: RuRoRul on March 09, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
I went through the trailer shot by shot as well. Just added some of my comments or additions to Prog Snob's post - tried not to specifically post book spoilers or rumours but if you're avoiding book spoilers or a tiny bit of speculation based on casting etc. then maybe avoid reading them. Green means my comments here, not sarcasm :p
Quote from: Prog Snob on March 08, 2016, 07:55:29 PM
Okay, lets make sure I got everything.

0:01 – 0:07 – The Wall/Scene of Jon Snow dead
0:07 – 0:12 – It looks like a Dornish ship approaching King's Landing
0:12 – 0:16 – Jaime and Cersei Lannister scene
0:16 – 0:18 – Davos near Castle Black
0:19 – 0:25 – The Boltons and their victory
0:26 – 0:26 – Melisandre talking to Davos, saying what she saw in the flames was a lie
0:27 – 0:33 – Jorah and Daario
0:34 – 0:40 – Daenerys walking with the Dothraki
0:40 – 0:42 – High Sparrow
0:42 – 0:45 – Kingsmoot?
0:45 – 0:46 – Sansa
0:47 – 0:50 – Tyrion (Going down into a dark tunnel, looks like he could be going for the dragons)
0:50 – 0:51 – Drogon flying
0:51 – 0:53 – nothing
0:53 – 0:59 – Lancel, Cersei, and The Mountain
1:00 – 1:00 – I'm unsure of who that is (A group of Northern fighters... a particular flashback, same as the one with a guy that looks like young Ned Stark later)
1:00 – 1:01 – it looks like the night's watch. I think that's Allister on the left. (Yep, trying to break into a room by the looks of it - probably where Jon's body and Davos are in the end of the trailer)
1:01 – 1:02 – Tommen walking with his King's guard and Cersei walking with the Mountain
1:02 – 1:02 – Horsemen riding. Maybe Greyjoy men? (Probably forces from a battle in the North)
1:02 – 1:03 – Maybe Euron's ship? (Very likely. Greyjoy ships at least if it's not Euron's own)
1:04 – 1:05 – Arya getting whacked by (it looks like someone in an Arya mask).
1:05 – 1:05 – Petyr Baelish
1:05 – 1:06 – Queen Margaery <3
1:06 – 1:06 – Is that Coldhands lashing at someone? (This is actually the part of the trailer I am most curious about. Certainly looks North of the wall. Could be a wight getting killed. Is that a magical firebomb or a regular weapon?)
1:07 – 1:07 – Greyjoy men or Boltons? (Bolton forces from the banners)
1:07 – 1:08 – Mereen or King's Landing? (Looks like Meereen, Danaerys's chambers, with something smashing into them... dragons?)
1:08 – 1:09 – two scenes with Theon? (Looks like he has ran into Bolton men after escaping Winterfell)
(The next scene isn't Theon, I thought that too... it's Euron. He really looks like an older Theon!) You're right about that second one being Euron.
1:09 – 1:09 – Jaime and Cersei
1:09 – 1:10 – Brienne killing someone (Looks like a Bolton man in a similar scene to Theon... maybe she saves him / Sansa from Bolton pursuers)
1:10 – 1:10 – Melisandre at the Fires (Is that actually her? Does she wear that ring?)
1:11 – 1:12 – Hall of Faces
1:12 – 1:12 – Melisandre
1:13 – 1:13 – Jon Snow with someone's hands on him (maybe Edd?) (I was thinking Melisandre, I am not sure) I didn't think those sleeves were of something she wears. I could be wrong.
1:13 – 1:14 – someone jumping maybe in either King's Landing or Braavos? (I think it's Arya in Braavos) I was thinking that afterwards.
1:14 – 1:15 – Boltons and the Wildlings? Fighting
1:15 – 1:15 – oooh sexy time. (I think one of them might be Yara, Theon's sister) I thought the scenery around them looked too lively to be in the grim surroundings of the Iron Islands.
1:15 – 1:16 – Someone removing their hood, quite possibly Euron? (Looks like it... on a rope bridge!)
1:16 – 1:16 – fighting. Why does the one without the helmet look like Ned Stark from behind? Hmmm (Yep, fighting someone in Targaryen armour too)
1:16 – 1:17 – Tormund with the Boltons (I see the flayed man on the shield)
(After this there's a scene of horsemen charging into battle - one of them looks a bit like Jon Snow actually but I don't know if they would put that in the trailer even in a crowd shot..)
1:17 – 1:18 – Queen Margaery <3 with the High Sparrow
1:18 – 1:18 – not sure what that is (looks like someone getting beaten by a crowd) (Not sure of this either, it might be a bunch of children stabbing someone though)
1:18 – 1:19 – Arya
1:19 – 1:19 – Tommen & his men meeting with the High Sparrow, perhaps to free Queen Margaery <3 (Looks like Jaime on the stairs)
1:19 – 1:19 – Sansa running in the forest (Probably pursued by Boltons after escaping Winterfell, same as Theon)
1:20 – 1:20 – Dothraki
1:20 – 1:21 – Boltons? Greyjoys? (Probably the wildlings or Northerners)
1:21 – 1:21 – Bran with the Night's King (Awesome scene for the trailer!)
1:22 – 1:29 – nothing
1:29 – 1:34 – Davos… it looks like he's trying to protect Jon from some of the night's watch men. (Using Longclaw (Jon's sword) to do it... and Ghost is there too. Likely trying to get control of Jon's body for something... Great end to the trailer)

I know there's more detailed and thorough posts about it on reddit etc. now, maybe they have answered some of my questions.

Like I said, very curious about the dark figure on horse killing something with fire. Most of the other most interesting parts I've at least got a good idea of what part of the story that might be from.
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Post by: Genowyn on March 09, 2016, 04:31:21 PM: Quote from: Evermind on March 09, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
I was debating if I should watch S6, but hell, I just watched this trailer and of course I will be watching. You can expect some lengthy rants from me at the very least.

And of course Jorah and Daario were able to find that ring Dany purposefully dropped in S5. :lol

Did you see that dual-wielding, though? Westeros (Weisserof, rather) is officially a video game.

I don't know if I can watch it. I don't hate-watch, and that would be all it is. Add to that my earlier concerns about semi-spoilers...
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Post by: Evermind on March 10, 2016, 10:20:39 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on March 09, 2016, 04:31:21 PM
Quote from: Evermind on March 09, 2016, 09:09:29 AM
I was debating if I should watch S6, but hell, I just watched this trailer and of course I will be watching. You can expect some lengthy rants from me at the very least.

And of course Jorah and Daario were able to find that ring Dany purposefully dropped in S5. :lol

Did you see that dual-wielding, though? Westeros (Weisserof, rather) is officially a video game.

At 1:16? Hahaha, no, I missed it the first time around. And it looks like he's spinning both swords in his hands too. Best way to attack. :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 10, 2016, 03:15:28 PM: Are we really criticizing dual wielding? :lol
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Post by: Genowyn on March 10, 2016, 09:24:16 PM: I am.

Now, if we were talking about a video game, or an anime, or even something from the lighter end of Fantasy (LotR, Princess Bride, what have you), I might not mind.

Thing is, GoT is in a sort of... historical fantasy/magical realism subgenre. Outside of the plainly magical elements, everything else should be historically accurate. And to put it simply, never in history did anyone (or at least, not anyone with training) fight by flailing two longswords around in a circle.

Has dual-wielding occurred in history? Sure. But the thing about real-life dual-wielding is that it requires blades of different length. In Medieval Europe, maybe a shortsword and a dagger. In the renaissance you'd more likely see something like two different lengths of epee. In Japan they would occasionally go Katana/Wakizashi.

Look at The First Law: there we have duelling steels, expressly describes as two thin, light, agile blades of differing length, with different functions. That's a realistic depiction of dual-wielding. What we saw in the trailer is just... ridiculous.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2016, 04:29:21 AM: Counterpoint: it looks cool as fuck! :lol

I understand all you're saying though, and I knew you'd bring dueling swords from The First Law up, but I really don't care because it's just not a big deal to me.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 08:09:53 AM: Who is doing the dueling swords? That could have meaning as different places in the GoT world have different backgrounds/weapons/training. It could be reflected on something with more of a real life history, but even if it's not, kind of a ticky tacky thing to get annoyed with if you ask me.
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Post by: kaos2900 on March 11, 2016, 08:37:46 AM: I think GOT is the rare instance where the conversion from book to screen actually benefited the source material. The show is better than books.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 08:41:30 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on March 11, 2016, 08:37:46 AM
I think GOT is the rare instance where the conversion from book to screen actually benefited the source material. The show is better than books.

eh, I dont know about that. The show is great and it cut a lot of fat from the books, but it also lost a lot of the depth to the characters. The internal thoughts and backstory from the books is something that can't be done on TV and it makes a big difference.
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Post by: ariich on March 11, 2016, 10:03:24 AM: Agreed cramx. The show is a better spectacle and gets much less bogged down in some of the books' more indulgent meanderings, but it really doesn't have as much depth of character. That was what really pleased me when I started reading the books.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 11, 2016, 11:15:34 AM: Reading the books *and* watching the show is the ultimate combo. You can easily make a best of from both in your mind and that's the ultimate GoT experience for you.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 11:31:34 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 11, 2016, 11:15:34 AM
Reading the books *and* watching the show is the ultimate combo. You can easily make a best of from both in your mind and that's the ultimate GoT experience for you.

:tup :tup minus the fact that the books aren't done. It would have been such an amazing thing to read WoW while watching season 6.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 11, 2016, 11:42:05 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 11, 2016, 11:15:34 AM
Reading the books *and* watching the show is the ultimate combo. You can easily make a best of from both in your mind and that's the ultimate GoT experience for you.

:tup :tup minus the fact that the books aren't done. It would have been such an amazing thing to read WoW while watching season 6.
Yeah! I really hoped that book would be out by now but hey, it's gonna be something very interesting to watch the season and *then* read the book! An unusual format for any screen adaptation of literary work.
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Post by: Genowyn on March 11, 2016, 11:47:49 AM: These last few posts have been upsetting to read.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 11, 2016, 11:50:29 AM: Time for a crossover: Game of Thrones meets House of Cards!!! :metal :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFk0T3ifF48

The guy either kidnapped Kevin Spacey for a voicer or he's really an amazing talent, he potrays his voice and his gestures so well.

Also, for those of you who watch both shows, don't you think that Frank Underwood is the adopted child of Tywin Lannister and Peter Baelish? :biggrin:
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2016, 12:53:52 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on March 11, 2016, 08:37:46 AM
I think GOT is the rare instance where the conversion from book to screen actually benefited the source material. The show is better than books.
Nope.

But it's a great show, s5 notwithstanding.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 01:03:59 PM: S5 was slow, but I thought by the end it sort of redeemed itself. Easily the worst season of the show, but the last couple episodes kind of brought it all together enough for me to say it wasn't a bad season, just the worst. Hardhome was one of the best things I have ever seen on TV.
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2016, 01:17:53 PM: The only good thing I can say about s5 is that it has Hardhome.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2016, 01:20:38 PM: It was definitely extremely lacking early on in the season, but they were building up towards the events at the end. The writers could have probably done a better job at keeping it appealing during the earlier episodes. I felt like it was dragging at first.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 01:26:52 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on March 11, 2016, 01:20:38 PM
It was definitely extremely lacking early on in the season, but they were building up towards the events at the end. The writers could have probably done a better job at keeping it appealing during the earlier episodes. I felt like it was dragging at first.

Agreed and some of the changes from the books were not as good, most specifically all of Dorne and what they did with Sansa, but I believe it was all for set up. They needed to build these new characters and story arcs after so much death/changes at the end of season 4.
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Post by: Evermind on March 11, 2016, 01:56:49 PM: I believe Season 5 sucked big time and it was nowhere near the quality of the books — which are somewhat dragging at this point too, I agree — and I agree with Dimitrius. Hardhome was the only good thing about Season 5. Most of the storylines in the books were butchered, the newly invented plots weren't up to par and felt like they were designed literally in a few hours of thought without any consideration for the consequences on the plot... I didn't see anything that was "for set-up", I only saw bad, cliche-filled storytelling all around. Which was exactly the thing GRRM tried to avoid in his novels. Granted, he didn't really succeed with all those fake-out deaths in the last book, but it was still far more decent than the travesty we've got in the Season 5.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 02:02:39 PM: How can you say it was not for set up if the pay off hasn't occurred yet? The new storylines with Dorne and The Faith are no where close to being complete. Same with everything that happened in Winterfell. We got the end of Stannis and Jon Snow as a member of the Nights Watch but those story arcs started in season 2. I don't think any of the new arcs from season 5 came to an end, and the ones I mentioned only came to their highest point in the final episode (Myrcella dying and the walk of shame). The battle of Winterfell with Stannis vs. Ramsay is just the beginning of the real battle for Winterfell as well. I think there is a good chance if season 6 is done well that we can look back and say season 5 wasn't as bad because it prepared us for the goods in season 6. Granted, it was still slow so I totally get it that it was a lot worse than the previous seasons.
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Post by: Evermind on March 11, 2016, 02:14:24 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 02:02:39 PM
How can you say it was not for set up if the pay off hasn't occurred yet? The new storylines with Dorne and The Faith are no where close to being complete. Same with everything that happened in Winterfell. We got the end of Stannis and Jon Snow as a member of the Nights Watch but those story arcs started in season 2. I don't think any of the new arcs from season 5 came to an end, and the ones I mentioned only came to their highest point in the final episode (Myrcella dying and the walk of shame). The battle of Winterfell with Stannis vs. Ramsay is just the beginning of the real battle for Winterfell as well. I think there is a good chance if season 6 is done well that we can look back and say season 5 wasn't as bad because it prepared us for the goods in season 6. Granted, it was still slow so I totally get it that it was a lot worse than the previous seasons.

I'm sorry, but the Dorne storyline was absolute bullshit in the show from the very first scene. It was embarrassing to watch, honestly, and as of now I don't really care about the whatever conclusion the show prepared for us — unless it's some miraculous revelation it was all a dream and we've never seen the real Dorne. I admit GRRM made the Sand Snakes somewhat cheesy and cringeworthy, yep, but the show just had to go and blow it out of proportion. And also ruin Ellaria. And omit Arianne, one of the decent Dorne characters. And give almost no lines to Doran, hiring the great actor to do his role nonetheless.

The Faith, yeah, they streamlined the storyline to being simple — whatever happened to their mindset for the very first season? It felt like they were determined to keep the plot complex and ambiguous, yet they're totally spelling out all of the little things now.

The end of Stannis was embarrassing to watch too. I believe I made some arguments for the ridiculousness of it earlier, but I just don't feel like going back in the thread digging it. What really annoyed me how they've played with Stannis' feelings for Shireen, making it obvious for viewers he loves her, only to sacrifice her when they've got a little snow and um, whatever else they've got. It was so inconsequential I don't even remember. I've always said Stannis' arc in the show was handled poorly, and the fact D&D decided to hide behind GRRM's back with the decision to burn Shireen... well, now this was a cowardly move.

It's not that Season 5 was slow... it's just it was awful for me — except for Hardhome — from whatever angle I look at it.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 02:38:33 PM: Can't argue with anything you said there as I agree with it all, my point was more that those storylines that season 5 started didn't come to an end so it's hard to judge if the build up is worth it since we don't know yet.

Dorne was absolutely terrible, but we saw such little of it that I think it's possible to redeem itself show wise (of course Ellaria is not the same as she is in the books but I think it's also because she is also taking Arianne's role). I think the Faith storyline was fine so far though and of course show Stannis was butchered from book Stannis, but that started in season 2 and was not a season 5 problem IMO. Not that season 5 helped him at all.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2016, 05:00:40 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 11, 2016, 01:26:52 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on March 11, 2016, 01:20:38 PM
It was definitely extremely lacking early on in the season, but they were building up towards the events at the end. The writers could have probably done a better job at keeping it appealing during the earlier episodes. I felt like it was dragging at first.

Agreed and some of the changes from the books were not as good, most specifically all of Dorne and what they did with Sansa, but I believe it was all for set up. They needed to build these new characters and story arcs after so much death/changes at the end of season 4.

I hate that they used Sansa to fill the part of Jeyne. Give the girl a break.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 17, 2016, 03:58:52 PM: Bought Season 5 on blu-ray since I have the other 4. I will have to rewatch before season 6 starts.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 18, 2016, 06:47:56 AM: Yeah, I need to pick that up.
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Post by: kaos2900 on March 18, 2016, 08:20:40 AM: Just start re-watching season 5 in preparation for the new season. I think the overall quality of season 5 will depend on how the stories arc in season 6. It's still a great show and season 5 was still amazing just slower and not quite as amazing as some of the previous seasons.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2016, 08:31:55 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on March 18, 2016, 08:20:40 AM
Just start re-watching season 5 in preparation for the new season. I think the overall quality of season 5 will depend on how the stories arc in season 6. It's still a great show and season 5 was still amazing just slower and not quite as amazing as some of the previous seasons.

That's exactly how I feel although I wouldn't classify season 5 as amazing, it was just good overall with one superb episode.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 18, 2016, 01:11:54 PM: I assume the Hardhome one, right?

I love how I just didn't see it coming. I thought that part was just a diplomatic mission, "Ok, Jon gets the wildlings to move, then we'll shift to something else", and then... all icy hell breaks loose. It was mindblowingly awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2016, 01:42:19 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on March 18, 2016, 01:11:54 PM
I assume the Hardhome one, right?

I love how I just didn't see it coming. I thought that part was just a diplomatic mission, "Ok, Jon gets the wildlings to move, then we'll shift to something else", and then... all icy hell breaks loose. It was mindblowingly awesome.

Yup, as I've said before here, easily one of the most epic TV episodes on any show I have ever watched.

But I read the books and while in the books we didn't see what happened at Hardhome, we had an idea based on the letter Jon recieved from the members of the Nights Watch who did go. (Jon wasn't there as you can see, a big change from the books, but a change for the better IMO at least with the way the show presented the stare off between Jon and the Nights King).
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2016, 11:13:06 AM: Game of Thrones showrunners: Season 6 'the best one we've done' (https://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/21/game-thrones-season-6-best)

Well, I'm glad they are pleased with it. We'll see.
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Post by: Evermind on March 21, 2016, 11:20:07 AM: They're saying that for each new season, and no way Season 5 was the best they've ever done, so yep, we'll see indeed.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2016, 11:30:30 AM: Yea, I don't trust when any artist says "this is the best we've ever done". Not that I don't think this season will be great, I think it will be, but that statement just means nothing to me.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 21, 2016, 12:47:03 PM: A little look back on season 4... how much do you think Oberyn was selfish in becoming Tyrion's champion, and how much the fact that it was actually Tyrion influenced him? all he cared about was revenge against the Mountain so he probably would have offered to be a champion even for a rapist, but from their dialogue in the cell (one of the best scenes of the season and of the entire series) he seemed to genuinely like Tyrion and understand his life as an outcast for things he's not to blamed for, so probably he saw the chance to kill two birds with a stone rather than picking whoever happened to be on the Mountain's path.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 21, 2016, 12:55:49 PM: Totally selfish on Oberyn. If Tyrion was not going to fight the mountain, would Oberyn still be his champ? It had everything to do with him wanting to kill the Mountain. Although I do believe those two got along much better once Oberyn realized Tyrion was not like his father.
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Post by: Genowyn on March 21, 2016, 01:37:37 PM: Yeah, Oberyn's actions were 100% revenge motivated. He probably would have been anyone's champion if he got the chance to fight the Mountain. Especially considering that Doran very much blames the Lannisters for Elia's death, (and I would wager Oberyn feels the same), the fact that he was willing to champion Tyrion shows it totally was not about him.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 21, 2016, 01:44:03 PM: To echo the previous comments, it was indisputably all about Oberyn. He has an air of arrogance about him, and is extremely complacent regarding just about everything. :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 25, 2016, 01:27:49 PM: https://watchersonthewall.com/new-official-photos-from-game-of-thrones-season-6/#more-59263

Some photos from season 6.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 01:31:55 PM: One of those pics reminded me of soemthing I am looking forward to in the show that is a departure from the books... which is Tyrion and Varys essentially ruling over Mereen. I thought that season two with Tyrion as Hand and forming his relationship with Varys was some of the best dialogue in the show and also some of the best Tyrion scenes. Hopefully we see some more of that in Mereen.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 25, 2016, 01:35:41 PM: I don't doubt that we will. It'll be some more great dialogue between the two of them. It just makes me wonder who will do what Varys does at the end of book 5. Hmmm
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 25, 2016, 01:37:11 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
I thought that season two with Tyrion as Hand and forming his relationship with Varys was some of the best dialogue in the show and also some of the best Tyrion scenes.

"The Lord of Light wants his enemies burnt, The Drowned God wants them drowned. Why are all the Gods such vicious cunts? Where is the God of tits and wine?"
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Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 01:38:10 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on March 25, 2016, 01:35:41 PM
I don't doubt that we will. It'll be some more great dialogue between the two of them. It just makes me wonder who will do what Varys does at the end of book 5. Hmmm

Yea, him in Mereen makes things a bit different, but given we have no idea what the impact of said scene is, they could write it completely different in the show... or Varys could possibly only be in Mereen for a short while.

Quote from: MirrorMask on March 25, 2016, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
I thought that season two with Tyrion as Hand and forming his relationship with Varys was some of the best dialogue in the show and also some of the best Tyrion scenes.

"The Lord of Light wants his enemies burnt, The Drowned God wants them drowned. Why are all the Gods such vicious cunts? Where is the God of tits and wine?"

:lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 25, 2016, 01:45:02 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on March 25, 2016, 01:35:41 PM
I don't doubt that we will. It'll be some more great dialogue between the two of them. It just makes me wonder who will do what Varys does at the end of book 5. Hmmm

Yea, him in Mereen makes things a bit different, but given we have no idea what the impact of said scene is, they could write it completely different in the show... or Varys could possibly only be in Mereen for a short while.

It's all part of the excitement for the new season. Of course, the ten weeks will go by so fast and then we'll be waiting again. :lol

Quote from: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on March 25, 2016, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 25, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
I thought that season two with Tyrion as Hand and forming his relationship with Varys was some of the best dialogue in the show and also some of the best Tyrion scenes.

"The Lord of Light wants his enemies burnt, The Drowned God wants them drowned. Why are all the Gods such vicious cunts? Where is the God of tits and wine?"

:lol

Now THAT'S my kind of god.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bine7THCIAAJW-d.jpg)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2016, 02:54:44 PM: You can't spell PIMP without the IMP.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 03, 2016, 12:53:25 PM: Finished my re-cap of S05, lots of small events I forgot mostly because i've only seen S05 once and that was when it aired. Feels good now, back on track and I can't wait for S06! :corn
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Post by: cramx3 on April 04, 2016, 07:26:59 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 03, 2016, 12:53:25 PM
Finished my re-cap of S05, lots of small events I forgot mostly because i've only seen S05 once and that was when it aired. Feels good now, back on track and I can't wait for S06! :corn

I'm almost done with season 4 rewatch.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 04, 2016, 11:42:26 AM: Season 4 has at least three scenes I'd watch over and over and over (which I actually did):

- Tyrion's trial and his EPIC middle finger for everyone in the room, ending with his request for trial by combat. Which contains what I'd call the best line of the season: "Watching your vicious bastard die gave me more relief than a thousand lying whores".

- Oberyn visting Tyrion in the cell and offering to be his champion.

- Oberyn vs the Mountain.... as long as I pause before the end ;D

Remember Bronn telling Tyrion how hard it was to fight the Mountain? he was pondering aloud "Maybe I could dance around him 'til he's tired, get him off his feet somehow"... that's exactly what Oberyn did, on top of pissing him off and taunting him repeatedly. Bronn actually figured out the right way to fight the Mountain, and Oberyn put it into practice and actually "won"... well, if you forget the part where he looked away enough to be tripped and get his head bashed in but details.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 05, 2016, 10:58:01 AM: Almost done with my re-watch of season 5. Definitely slower than past seasons but still great. From a story perspective season 5 is really the set up for the second of half so it took some time to set the stage for the finale.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2016, 11:14:27 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on April 05, 2016, 10:58:01 AM
Almost done with my re-watch of season 5. Definitely slower than past seasons but still great. From a story perspective season 5 is really the set up for the second of half so it took some time to set the stage for the finale.

That's the way I felt and why I always defended the slow pacing and honestly, the fact that it was the worst season. If the storylines pan out, i may still think it's the worst season, but I find it hard to say the show botched the Dorne storyline or anything else that was new to the season because those storylines are just beginning and while it may be (and in this example is) different than the books, doesn't mean the "show ruined it" or "this storyline sucks" because there is still so much more to see I would imagine.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2016, 02:43:37 PM: https://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/weekly-show-after-the-thrones (https://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/weekly-show-after-the-thrones)

Looks like GoT is getting The Walking Dead treatment with an aftershow (although it won't actually air on HBO after the show).
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 05, 2016, 06:10:02 PM: Am I the only one who doesn't understand the appeal of these "after" shows?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2016, 06:12:54 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on April 05, 2016, 06:10:02 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the appeal of these "after" shows?

No. I couldn't watch The Talking Dead. I'd give this a shot though just to see what it's about since it's my favorite show on TV. If it's actual discussion regarding the show then it might be interesting since this is a show that actually has a lot to discuss and digest, but if it's going to be bad jokes and uninteresting commentary then I'll pass.
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Post by: Progmetty on April 10, 2016, 07:53:10 PM: Watching the red carpet premiere live of fb, Sansa is smoking hot..
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 11, 2016, 06:40:31 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 10, 2016, 07:53:10 PM
Watching the red carpet premiere live of fb, Sansa is smoking hot..

Yes, yes she is.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2016, 08:49:32 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on April 11, 2016, 06:40:31 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on April 10, 2016, 07:53:10 PM
Watching the red carpet premiere live of fb, Sansa is smoking hot..

Yes, yes she is.

Yup, she has grown into a beauty.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2016, 11:58:28 AM: Sophie Turner was at a red carpet in Italy for the premiere of Season 4, along with Maisie Williams and Liam Cunningham, too bad I couldn't take a picture with her, it was just too crowded! At least I have a pic with Ser Davos, hehe!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2016, 11:59:42 AM: New trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI0ib1NErqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI0ib1NErqg)

Looks awesome! :metal
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Post by: masterthes on April 11, 2016, 12:03:08 PM: I'd like to have "fun" with her red carpet ;D
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2016, 12:41:56 PM: No one'd better hurt Pod!

Tyrion is always Tyrion, which is a good thing I guess. Love the "Make no mistake, the dead are coming" from Davos. Also Jaimie quipping about the gods killing more people than humans.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2016, 01:02:45 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 11, 2016, 12:41:56 PM
No one'd better hurt Pod!

Tyrion is always Tyrion, which is a good thing I guess. Love the "Make no mistake, the dead are coming" from Davos. Also Jaimie quipping about the gods killing more people than humans.

Yea, some good lines in that trailer. I also liked seeing more of the Night's King. I wonder if we get more scenes with the white walkers, as in on their own like the first scene we got a couple seasons ago with the White Walker bringing craster's son to them. I'd imagine they get to the wall this season.
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Post by: ariich on April 11, 2016, 03:22:27 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 11, 2016, 12:41:56 PM
No one'd better hurt Pod!
:lol That bit got me pretty cross as well.
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Post by: Enigmachine on April 11, 2016, 05:03:46 PM: Godamnit GoT is getting tense.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 07:44:33 AM: Finished watching season 4 last night, need to see if I can get through season 5 this week.

One thing I noticed, this show throws lots of hints right out in the open that get over looked because it doesn't seem like anything important.

Such as Littlefinger telling Sansa... "some people die squatting on their chamber pots" and then a couple episodes later that is where Tywin dies.

There are lots of theories from book readers specifically that think the Hound will be back. We didn't see him die. One of his last words on my rewatch were "Im going to die unless there is a maester behind those bushes" and I am honestly thinking there just may have been one and that was GoT throwing their lines out there that seem meaningless but is actually a hint.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 18, 2016, 10:44:48 AM: Well, we know the theory about The Hound and it's certainly a possibility.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 18, 2016, 12:15:20 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 07:44:33 AM
Finished watching season 4 last night, need to see if I can get through season 5 this week.

One thing I noticed, this show throws lots of hints right out in the open that get over looked because it doesn't seem like anything important.

Such as Littlefinger telling Sansa... "some people die squatting on their chamber pots" and then a couple episodes later that is where Tywin dies.

The full quote is: People die at their dinner tables (like Joffrey and Robb Stark and company), they die in their beds (like Shae), they die squatting over their chamber pots (like Tywin and Elvis),
Everybody dies sooner or later (like, well, everyone else who is dead).

So if one wants, more than a hint is seen in that sentence.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 12:17:51 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 18, 2016, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 07:44:33 AM
Finished watching season 4 last night, need to see if I can get through season 5 this week.

One thing I noticed, this show throws lots of hints right out in the open that get over looked because it doesn't seem like anything important.

Such as Littlefinger telling Sansa... "some people die squatting on their chamber pots" and then a couple episodes later that is where Tywin dies.

The full quote is: People die at their dinner tables (like Joffrey and Robb Stark and company), they die in their beds (like Shae), they die squatting over their chamber pots (like Tywin and Elvis),
Everybody dies sooner or later (like, well, everyone else who is dead).

So if one wants, more than a hint is seen in that sentence.

That was just one example I had off the top of my head, while rewatching that season there were a couple more and when I finally got to the end of the season and heard that quote about the Hound, my eyes opened very wide (granted, I knew this was already a fan theory so I had that in the back of my mind as well).
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Post by: Progmetty on April 18, 2016, 01:07:49 PM: We've been rewatching season 5 and man the DC universe folks completely missed out on getting Ramsay to play the Joker in the new movies, he's freakin perfect for that role.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 18, 2016, 01:18:14 PM: At least they got Joffrey for the Batman movies ;D
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Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 01:25:09 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 18, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
At least they got Joffrey for the Batman movies ;D

Really? I thought the actor said he was done after GoT for acting.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 18, 2016, 01:29:46 PM: It was a joke, and yet a factual truth.

The actor playing Joffrey as a young kid had a small role in Batman Begins, as a kid that spots him and briefly talks to him.
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Post by: ariich on April 18, 2016, 01:31:14 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 01:25:09 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 18, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
At least they got Joffrey for the Batman movies ;D

Really? I thought the actor said he was done after GoT for acting.
not sure if serious
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Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 01:43:05 PM: :facepalm:

I don't follow the super hero movies so got me good
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Post by: Evermind on April 24, 2016, 10:41:48 AM: So this is almost upon us, right? I won't be able to watch until Monday evening (~24 hours from now on), so I'll be avoiding this thread. But I think you can expect some rants at Tuesday. Hopefully Genowyn will join me too. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2016, 11:25:20 AM: yup, the best night in television, my favorite show Game of Thrones followed by Silicon Valley and then Last Week Tonight. Really looking forward to this evening! :hat :metal
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 24, 2016, 12:24:05 PM: I can't be more ready, bring it on!! :metal :corn
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2016, 12:51:35 PM: Melisandre bring Jon Snow back you red bitch! :metal
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Post by: faizoff on April 24, 2016, 04:19:01 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 24, 2016, 11:25:20 AM
yup, the best night in television, my favorite show Game of Thrones followed by Silicon Valley and then Last Week Tonight. Really looking forward to this evening! :hat :metal
This is honestly the best combo. Tense/gloomy/emotional hour of GOT followed by a very much needed decompressing Silicon Valley. Less than 3 hours to go.
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 24, 2016, 07:17:33 PM: It's on!!
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Post by: faizoff on April 24, 2016, 08:04:04 PM: Spoilers for first episode of season six below.

That Dorne part was :o . I think this was one of the best opening episodes in this show. I have no idea what the end with the red lady was so will wait and see. I have a feeling that opening shot with the flyover to Jon Snow was Bran as a warg but I digress. Excellent setups and I really am super glad the show is back and can't wait for the next few episodes. For a moment I thought shit, Sansa is caught and will be back to Ramsey, totally did not see Brienne coming back.
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 24, 2016, 08:04:56 PM: Great first episode. Now it's a pain staking wait until next week.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 24, 2016, 08:20:36 PM: Quote from: faizoff on April 24, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
I have no idea what the end with the red lady was so will wait and see.

I think she took off the necklace, which seemed to preserve her in some younger state, so she can finally die. I think the twist is that everyone sees her as the savior but she has finally decided to let herself die. It would play into the hopeless frustration that the world of GOT is known for.
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Post by: faizoff on April 24, 2016, 08:26:40 PM: @orcus Yup I realized that later.
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Post by: 73109 on April 24, 2016, 09:00:19 PM: So like yeah yeah the show is different from the books, but man have they fucked up Dorne. One of the best, most interesting, and most important arches in the books is absolutely ravished between last season and this one episode.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t34.0-12/13081768_1101648639907013_2024919178_n.png?oh=a3796754c06f6b3a1056331ae13d21d2&oe=571F7235)
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Post by: Genowyn on April 24, 2016, 09:23:55 PM: Boy

I uh

Am glad I had alcohol for that
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 25, 2016, 02:49:26 AM: I'm hoping that the revelation of Melisandre's 'glamoring' is setting up a scenario where the Jon who was stabbed wasn't actually Jon Snow, but someone in his form, and that he's currently riding south. Or just... anything involving Jon's resurrection.

Hi-fived my wife when Brienne found Sansa.

Davos was awesome.

Dorne is fucking stupid.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 25, 2016, 07:39:22 AM: I'm far from a GOT expert, I've never read the novels. But if the common theory about Jon Snow is true and he wasn't Neds kid but Neds sister.....that's make him half Targaryn and realted to Dany, right? So, when they go to burn his body at a funeral....I'm thinking he doesn't burn at all and being that Dany's 'big moment' came from a fire I think that he'll arise and be reborn in that fire....without the help from anyone.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 07:47:06 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 25, 2016, 07:39:22 AM
I'm far from a GOT expert, I've never read the novels. But if the common theory about Jon Snow is true and he wasn't Neds kid but Neds sister.....that's make him half Targaryn and realted to Dany, right? So, when they go to burn his body at a funeral....I'm thinking he doesn't burn at all and being that Dany's 'big moment' came from a fire I think that he'll arise and be reborn in that fire....without the help from anyone.

Interesting theory there. Maybe. I'm wondering how long Jon will continue to be dead. I thought we would get his resuratection at the end of the episode, but oh well. They will keep us hanging there.

The Dorne part was :omg: for me. Totally did not expect that at all. This is where book readers are going to start wondering wtf is going on with Dorne since it is completely different. Makes me wonder if the negative fan reaction from last season on Dorne had the writers just cut it short, or if this is how it really is because that seemed to have come out of no where, not just Doran but Hota too and how it seemed all of the dornish people were cool with that.

Quote from: orcus116 on April 24, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: faizoff on April 24, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
I have no idea what the end with the red lady was so will wait and see.

I think she took off the necklace, which seemed to preserve her in some younger state, so she can finally die. I think the twist is that everyone sees her as the savior but she has finally decided to let herself die. It would play into the hopeless frustration that the world of GOT is known for.

Why do you think she went to bed to die? I took that as just a glimpse into her life alone and that she had been glamoring herself the entire time. Unless you think she is dying to give her life to Jon? Why is this in small font?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2016, 07:52:53 AM: I really enjoyed the episode, but my wife hated it.

lol
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 25, 2016, 09:52:59 AM: I don't really get the hate for the Dorn stuff. It's pretty clear that Dorn and I'm assuming the Iron Islands stuff is going to be relegated to "B" material for the TV show. With only (allegedly) 22 episodes of the show left, I have no problem with the show focusing on tying up the main players.

I thought it was a good episode and a great way to kick off the season.

My question is when is Rikkon going to show up again?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 09:55:12 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on April 25, 2016, 09:52:59 AM
I don't really get the hate for the Dorn stuff. It's pretty clear that Dorn and I'm assuming the Iron Islands stuff is going to be relegated to "B" material for the TV show. With only (allegedly) 22 episodes of the show left, I have no problem with the show focusing on tying up the main players.

I thought it was a good episode and a great way to kick off the season.

My question is when is Rikkon going to show up again?

My guess is next season. As for Dorne, I don't hate what they did, it's just very different and therefore to me, that was the biggest shock of the episode, not The Red Woman. I always thought she was something different and she used glamour in the books to keep Mance alive so it wasn't too crazy to think she was using glamour on herself (kind of hinted at her potions in the show last season to Stannis' wife).
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Post by: BlackInk on April 25, 2016, 11:17:57 AM: I thought the episode was great.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2016, 11:36:00 AM: I must admit I was quite shocked by the Dorne part of the show.
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Post by: Chino on April 25, 2016, 11:48:45 AM: I just read that over a million people torrented the premiere last night. That's nuts.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 11:50:27 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 25, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
I just read that over a million people torrented the premiere last night. That's nuts.

It's also normal. The most pirated show ever and they almost brag about it too. The series is very popular in areas that cannot get HBO.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 25, 2016, 11:53:16 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2016, 11:36:00 AM
I must admit I was quite shocked by the Dorne part of the show.

Yes, I did not see that coming. While Elaria and the Sand Snakes bother me, the Dorne stuff in last night's episode was probably the best that storyline has been so far.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 12:23:32 PM: My co-worker just had an idea for an image... and well we took the time to make it

(https://i.imgur.com/2489WLt.jpg)
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2016, 12:24:30 PM: I was pretty sad to see Bashir die that quickly. When I first saw him on GOT last season, I was like YES dude's finally getting a chance to show his stuff. Then he just sat around mopey and died.
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Post by: Evermind on April 25, 2016, 12:42:11 PM: Alright, just watched it. Could be because I had no positive expectations whatsoever, but it actually wasn't that bad... until Brienne once again very timely and conveniently arrived to the scene, now to save Sansa / Theon (who apparently can jump from the high castle walls and not suffer any damage at all). After all it went downhill quickly. What pissed me off the most was how Sansa looked at Theon and waited for his nod before accepting Brienne's vow. Seriously?

Jaime is basically reverted back to his S1 state character- and personality-wise. All that great S3 writing, character progression and all, apparently that was for nothing.

Next we've got that two Dorne scenes I honestly couldn't watch with a straight face. :rollin Thinking about them still makes me facepalm and laugh. :lolpalm: Warning - a somewhat long Dorne rant ahead.

So I guess I shouldn't bother with this one because Dorne was somewhat of an afterthought in this show and makes for a good comic relief (they didn't even bother naming the castle / city on the map in opening credits, putting "Dorne" there instead of "Sunspear". I think that was the same in S5 too. They should've written "The North" instead of "Winterfell" while they're at it. And all we saw in Dorne suggests the population here is like Martell family, Ellaria, Sand Snakes, Areo and a few random guards.

So, right, Ellaria and Sand Snakes are upset because they think Doran is a weak ruler and he didn't lift his finger when first Elia Martell was murdered, then Oberyn was killed... so let's go kill more Martells! Because that makes so much sense. By the way, with Quentyn and Arianne cut, I guess those were the last two people from Martell family? That's just so ridiculous. :lol Don't get me started on how they wasted Alexander Siddig as an actor - I wonder if they have any idea how they're spending their yearly budget - and how they spent so much time on designing Areo Hotah's axe, making it look as some truly unique, exquisite weapon (that was revealed in S5 Behind the Scenes), only to make Hotah die without actually using it or without actually doing anything at all for that matter - I really wonder if they have any idea how they're spending their yearly budget. :lol

I guess it doesn't matter since "Dorne" is apparently the only town in south with its scarce occupants all being employed in the palace guard, but I wonder what some other powerful Dornish lords loyal to Doran / Martell line (or not even necessarily loyal to Doran / Martell line) will think about all this. I mean, Yronwoods, Blackmonts, that kind of guys? I can't imagine they will stand for a bunch of bastards murdering their liege and his heir and taking the rule - they would rather rebel and take the rule for themselves or anything. Granted, this may come up in the next episodes... but would you blame me for doubting it? Apparently there are no other lords or houses in Dorne in the show, because who needs them anyway. Just like the absence of Northern lords in S5.

And it's hilarious how Trystane died. Right, turn your back to a woman with a spear who is intending to kill you. That was the funniest moment I think. :lol

Then we get some Saint Tyrion again (the whitewashing here is astonishing) and a eunuch cock joke. Then Daario and Jorah indeed find the Daenerys's ring in the middle of the fucking nowhere. Then we get some white pussy hair jokes. :facepalm:

I did somewhat liked Arya scene - heavy-handed though it was - because of how Maisie acted. I also liked everything on the Wall... except they closed off with a scene fulfilling their nudity quota once again, because that was absolutely uncalled for in my opinion. Wouldn't a look at her face be enough?

(Also I might be misremembering but I think Mel did take off her necklace in either S3 or S4. But I might be wrong on that one, so not really complaining here.)

But hey, it was better than I expected, since I expected it to be total rubbish and it actually wasn't.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 25, 2016, 12:44:37 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on April 24, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: faizoff on April 24, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
I have no idea what the end with the red lady was so will wait and see.

I think she took off the necklace, which seemed to preserve her in some younger state, so she can finally die. I think the twist is that everyone sees her as the savior but she has finally decided to let herself die. It would play into the hopeless frustration that the world of GOT is known for.

Hmmmmmmmm

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg2uIQ5WIAEEY1U.jpg)
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Post by: ariich on April 25, 2016, 01:22:53 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 07:47:06 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on April 24, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: faizoff on April 24, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
I have no idea what the end with the red lady was so will wait and see.

I think she took off the necklace, which seemed to preserve her in some younger state, so she can finally die. I think the twist is that everyone sees her as the savior but she has finally decided to let herself die. It would play into the hopeless frustration that the world of GOT is known for.

Why do you think she went to bed to die? I took that as just a glimpse into her life alone and that she had been glamoring herself the entire time. Unless you think she is dying to give her life to Jon? Why is this in small font?
I'm also not sure why it's such small font, but there you go. The necklace doesn't preserve a person, it presents an illusion. Though from what I remember in season 5 they didn't use that with Mance Rayder (unless that's still to come) so it's a bit out of the blue. DoC's post makes that a bit confusing, but I kinda get the feeling they're just making shit up at this point.

Anyway, alright episode overall, some good stuff, but the Dorne stuff just gets worse and worse. :lol
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Post by: Evermind on April 25, 2016, 01:35:46 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 25, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
(Also I might be misremembering but I think Mel did take off her necklace in either S3 or S4. But I might be wrong on that one, so not really complaining here.)

Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on April 25, 2016, 12:44:37 PM
Hmmmmmmmm

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg2uIQ5WIAEEY1U.jpg)

Yeah, that scene is what I was talking about.
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2016, 01:36:27 PM: Every show screws up. It happens.
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Post by: faizoff on April 25, 2016, 01:44:25 PM: There's also speculation that it might be the potion bottles on the table she had which might be hiding her age. That along with the necklace could be putting up that illusion. I dunno, not going to make assumptions until the next few episodes or if they actually explain it.
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Post by: Evermind on April 25, 2016, 01:48:40 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 25, 2016, 01:36:27 PM
Every show screws up. It happens.

Yeah, don't get me started on how all the Sand Snakes were standing and watching the ships with Jaime, Trystane and Myrcella departing from Dorne in S5E10, Ellaria doing her dramatic handkerchief throw and all of them leaving the pier... only to end up on the same ship with Trystane.

Quote from: faizoff on April 25, 2016, 01:44:25 PM
There's also speculation that it might be the potion bottles on the table she had which might be hiding her age. That along with the necklace could be putting up that illusion. I dunno, not going to make assumptions until the next few episodes or if they actually explain it.

You're right, could be it. I just don't have a lot of faith in the show at this point, but we'll see.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 01:57:28 PM: Quote from: faizoff on April 25, 2016, 01:44:25 PM
There's also speculation that it might be the potion bottles on the table she had which might be hiding her age. That along with the necklace could be putting up that illusion. I dunno, not going to make assumptions until the next few episodes or if they actually explain it.

This is what I was thinking, the necklace is just part of it somehow. I'm holding off on "how this exactly works" because I'm not sure that we've seen the last of it or all of how it works. The potions were hinted at before for being useful so they could definitely play a role.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 25, 2016, 02:12:35 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 25, 2016, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: Adami on April 25, 2016, 01:36:27 PM
Every show screws up. It happens.

Yeah, don't get me started on how all the Sand Snakes were standing and watching the ships with Jaime, Trystane and Myrcella departing from Dorne in S5E10, Ellaria doing her dramatic handkerchief throw and all of them leaving the pier... only to end up on the same ship with Trystane.

Quote from: faizoff on April 25, 2016, 01:44:25 PM
There's also speculation that it might be the potion bottles on the table she had which might be hiding her age. That along with the necklace could be putting up that illusion. I dunno, not going to make assumptions until the next few episodes or if they actually explain it.

You're right, could be it. I just don't have a lot of faith in the show at this point, but we'll see.

I was under the impression that Trystane's boat docked back at Dorne.
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Post by: Tyrias on April 25, 2016, 02:18:05 PM: I was really expecting something more with Jon Snow than what we saw, but then it would have been to obvious and predictable to have him come back in Episode 1. It was kind of clichéd how Brienne turned up at exactly the right moment, but at least we knew she was in the area already, so it made sense plot-wise. I prefered that to just having Sansa go back to Winterfell with the guards. Tyrion's scene was not really that special, it seemed like the main point was just to set up the scenery and remind viewers of the political situation in Meereen. Jorah and Daario were ok I guess, but again just a set up. Dany's scene was pretty much exactly what I thought would happen. I don't really like what they are doing to Jaime's character, but I'm interested to see where they're going with it. At least his change back to old Jaime seems believable, seeing what has happened to him. My favourite part where definitely the wall scenes, some interesting developments there. I'm really curious about what happened to Melisandre now. Dorne was slightly less ridiculous than last season, but I still hope they cut that part as short as possible given how they've been handling it.

So overall, it was a nice season opener but I do hope it gets better as the season continues.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 25, 2016, 02:58:57 PM: Funny thing about the picture of Melisandre bathing - that's exactly what I was thinking about when I saw her without necklage, and I just was sure that she was bathing wearing it, and now here I find this picture of her not wearing it. I assume the writers thought our minds were deceived same as mine, "She must have wore it all the time" ;D

Didn't think about the sand snakes being on the dock and then on the boat with Trystan, that's such a massive error! also decapitating the whole Dorne storyline with that coup was kinda meh.

For the rest the episode was good, the problem is that when you stick 48 cliffhangers in the previous season finale, you have to "waste" an episode resolving them.

And... for being massive super masters of total secrecy and deceit, to the point that they can switch faces, why o why the blonde girl started a fight with blind Arya in the middle of the damn street? I can totally understand training to fight when blind, but why doing it in plain view of everyone???
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Post by: ariich on April 25, 2016, 03:07:33 PM: Potential and plausible explanation of the necklace/bathing thing from a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2a7go9/spoliers_acok_regarding_melisandres_ruby_necklace/cisasro

Interesting.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 25, 2016, 03:11:52 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 25, 2016, 03:07:33 PM
Potential and plausible explanation of the necklace/bathing thing from a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2a7go9/spoliers_acok_regarding_melisandres_ruby_necklace/cisasro

Interesting.

Awesome find. Works for me.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 03:18:05 PM: Interesting theory :tup
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Post by: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 12:15:04 AM: Since when has Jamie turned back into "old Jamie". He has always been the same person, we've just learned more about him. The experiences of S2-3 probably made some difference, but he's still the same guy at he was before all that at heart. I don't know what you expect him to do differently.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 26, 2016, 02:25:51 AM: Yeah, great first episode! I did have some trouble with Brienne turning up 'right in time' to save Sansa and Theon (I guess he's earned his name back) but I had even more trouble with Pod being with her. Where has he been hiding all season 5? Yeah, the Dorne stuff.... :\ But overall...good stuff!
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Post by: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 04:21:08 AM: Pod was with Brienne in every one of her scenes in season 5. Him being there is not weird.
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Post by: ariich on April 26, 2016, 04:49:00 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 04:21:08 AM
Pod was with Brienne in every one of her scenes in season 5. Him being there is not weird.
Yeah exactly, not sure what's weird about that.

I also don't have a problem with Brienne arriving at just the right time. She was right in that area, and actively trying to find Sansa. The timing is very convenient, sure, but that's just for dramatic effect, to build some tension.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 26, 2016, 05:08:29 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 25, 2016, 07:47:06 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on April 24, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: faizoff on April 24, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
I have no idea what the end with the red lady was so will wait and see.

I think she took off the necklace, which seemed to preserve her in some younger state, so she can finally die. I think the twist is that everyone sees her as the savior but she has finally decided to let herself die. It would play into the hopeless frustration that the world of GOT is known for.

Why do you think she went to bed to die? I took that as just a glimpse into her life alone and that she had been glamoring herself the entire time. Unless you think she is dying to give her life to Jon? Why is this in small font?

Because the show had just aired and I wasn't sure who hadn't seen it yet (seems OK now). Seeing that picture now I can see where I'm probably not correct but honestly I just expect misery at every instance where it seems like something is hopeful due to how the show/universe works. I didn't know if that necklace was keeping her younger looking and alive or if she's eternal and just ages like a normal person so I was opting for the former.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 05:45:43 AM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on April 26, 2016, 02:25:51 AM
Yeah, great first episode! I did have some trouble with Brienne turning up 'right in time' to save Sansa and Theon (I guess he's earned his name back) but I had even more trouble with Pod being with her. Where has he been hiding all season 5? Yeah, the Dorne stuff.... :\ But overall...good stuff!

When wasn't Pod with Brienne in season 5?
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 26, 2016, 06:51:35 AM: I think it's funny that so many people are trying to nitpick every little thing on the show because they don't want to admit how awesome this show it. ;)

As far as the "errors" of the episode I think it's 100% plausible that Brienne was following the hounds after the battle which would logically lead her to Sansa. I already mentioned that I thought Trystane's docked back at Dorne which the sandsnakes then boarded and killed him. While not an error, I think it would have been more "emotional" for Jamie to kill Trystane. The necklace theory above makes sense.
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Post by: Evermind on April 26, 2016, 07:10:34 AM: Hell, I was the first to tell people this show is awesome during the first four seasons - I was willing to forgive a lot of flaws back then, because I felt the show writers cared about it and about making a faithful adaptation. Season 5 butchered this feeling completely.

I'll address the plot points arguments when I get home, but honestly, with posts like this one

Quote from: kaos2900 on April 26, 2016, 06:51:35 AM
I think it's funny that so many people are trying to nitpick every little thing on the show because they don't want to admit how awesome this show it. ;)

directed at me I think this is the last episode I'm going to bother with this.

It's funny how some people who like the show don't want to admit it's possible for some fans to dislike it.
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Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 07:39:16 AM: I don't have a problem with people who dislike the show, no one is supposed to be all over it. I think what kaos is saying is that the nitpicking is, well, very picky. I think a case could be made of any and all coincidences on the show. 'Tyrion just had to be in the Inn that Catelynn Stark was..', 'Bronn just had to volunteer for Tyrion's trial by combat..', 'Drogon just happened to show up at the right time..' I think all these could be worthy nitpicking candidates, I personally don't examine these plot point conveniences that closely as literally everything could be a problem.

With this first episode, I've read criticism online for pretty much every single scene, from complaining about the short length of the episode to the writers falling into TV trope land...etc.. I'm just glad I'm enjoying the hell out of this show.

And don't get me wrong there are some very valid criticisms on each episode, I think I just tend to not let most or any of the issues bother me.
Ever since I stopped watching trailers, interviews, TV spots, reading online discussions, raising my own expectations, I find myself enjoying movies and shows a ton more than I used to.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 07:41:58 AM: Quote from: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 07:39:16 AM
I'm just glad I'm enjoying the hell out of this show.

Me too. I think there is lots of room for fair negative criticism of the show, but some of the criticism is just nitpicking for nitpicking sake and I'm not directing that at anyone here specifically. It happens with everything, but since GoT is so popular, you see it a bit more often. And it often comes from book readers too, and I think we will see more of that now that this is all in the hands of the show writers.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2016, 09:06:59 AM: Nothing wrong per se with the "nitpicking." When a show goes to the great lengths that GoT does to be very detailed, they should be held accountable when something falls through the cracks. Of course, many times they turn out not to be problems at all, in the long run.
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Post by: Evermind on April 26, 2016, 09:47:07 AM: Yeah, hey, I'm back home and I pretty much got over it. Guess it was the end of a working day that riled me up a bit. Sorry about that. I've read the reddit theory though, I don't really buy it myself since I'm kind of biased in a bad way about the show now, but it's certainly an interesting theory.

I want to rest instead of typing up the huge post again, so I'll just address these two points and peacefully walk away to GMD.

Quote from: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
Since when has Jamie turned back into "old Jamie". He has always been the same person, we've just learned more about him. The experiences of S2-3 probably made some difference, but he's still the same guy at he was before all that at heart. I don't know what you expect him to do differently.

Well, yes, I guess I'll have to admit that was expected from show version of Jaime, which is kind of far and away from book version of Jaime at this point. I, for one, miss his character progression from the books, especially in the AFFC, where he tried to balance and juggle his loyalty to the family, his twisted sense of honor and morality and actually starts to show some smallest seeds of a probable redemption arc. Hell, show-Jaime is still all over the moon for Cersei it seems.

Quote from: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 07:39:16 AM
I don't have a problem with people who dislike the show, no one is supposed to be all over it. I think what kaos is saying is that the nitpicking is, well, very picky. I think a case could be made of any and all coincidences on the show. 'Tyrion just had to be in the Inn that Catelynn Stark was..', 'Bronn just had to volunteer for Tyrion's trial by combat..', 'Drogon just happened to show up at the right time..' I think all these could be worthy nitpicking candidates, I personally don't examine these plot point conveniences that closely as literally everything could be a problem.

I guess the problem with plot conveniences is that if you're doing that in a moderate amount, it's alright, but if you're putting them in every now and then, it stretches credibility of the plot big time. And I know the "moderate" amount is a subjective thing - someone could be bothered by only a few of them happening across all the story, and some people will be fine with dozens of these. And for me, personally, plot conveniences regarding Brienne are already past that moderate amount. First she encounters Sansa in a random tavern, then she finds Arya and the Hound (okay this wasn't that bad - even though the guards at the gates turning them away without even raising an eyebrow and considering the consequences was bad), then she magically finds Stannis alone in the woods after the battle, then she arrives just in time to save Sansa and Theon... I mean, you probably can explain them all plausibly with some stretches, but that's just over the top in terms of plot convenience to me. It's like Catelyn would've met Tyrion in the tavern and take him captive, then found Jaime in the next tavern and take him captive, and then found Tywin Lannister strolling in the woods and whatever.

(Also, I know you were just providing it as an example, but Bronn volunteering for Tyrion made a lot of sense.)

In fact, I think I might've enjoyed the show more if I was just a casual fan, not very familiar with the books (as in, read them once), fan theories and the whole ASOIAF universe. Or maybe not. No way to know it now!
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Post by: ariich on April 26, 2016, 10:22:11 AM: The problem with plot conveniances is that it's hard to avoid them if you need to speed up the story and give it a bit more energy. Frankly, the source material at this point drags on so damn slowly. I'm not saying it's the only way to speed things up, but I can see why they go for it as it creates some excitement and tension. GoT doesn't use them any more than most comparable shows.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 10:32:06 AM: I'm not saying that there haven't been a bit many conveniances in Brienne's story line, but I really think this recent one isn't one of them. If one of the Bolton men had been just about to kill either Sansa or Theon, like sword raised above his head, then it'd be "just the right time". But that wasn't the case at all. They were just being captured. "Just the right time" in this case isn't really a single moment of convenient arrival. She could have found them 10 minutes later and it would still be a good time. And considering she was in the area, I don't really get what all the fuss is about.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:02 AM: Just watched the season 2 episode 1 scene with Melisandre and Stannis' maester. Where he tries to poison her, but when she drinks the poisoned wine, she is fine, but if you watch closely... the red stone in her necklace is clearly pulsing brightly. I read about that so I had to watch it for myself since I never picked up on that in the show.
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Post by: Evermind on April 26, 2016, 11:10:54 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Just watched the season 2 episode 1 scene with Melisandre and Stannis' maester. Where he tries to poison her, but when she drinks the poisoned wine, she is fine, but if you watch closely... the red stone in her necklace is clearly pulsing brightly. I read about that so I had to watch it for myself since I never picked up on that in the show.

Yeah, I remember that one and I think it was in the books too.

Quote from: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 10:32:06 AM
I'm not saying that there haven't been a bit many conveniances in Brienne's story line, but I really think this recent one isn't one of them. If one of the Bolton men had been just about to kill either Sansa or Theon, like sword raised above his head, then it'd be "just the right time". But that wasn't the case at all. They were just being captured. "Just the right time" in this case isn't really a single moment of convenient arrival. She could have found them 10 minutes later and it would still be a good time. And considering she was in the area, I don't really get what all the fuss is about.

Well, I think that the moment when the guards started dragging Sansa with them was as hopeless and as perfect moment for the help to arrive as it gets, in terms of a TV-show.

In fact I probably would've been fine if it happened 10 minutes later. It wouldn't look as contrived as it did. To each his own I guess.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:19:45 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 26, 2016, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 10:32:06 AM
I'm not saying that there haven't been a bit many conveniances in Brienne's story line, but I really think this recent one isn't one of them. If one of the Bolton men had been just about to kill either Sansa or Theon, like sword raised above his head, then it'd be "just the right time". But that wasn't the case at all. They were just being captured. "Just the right time" in this case isn't really a single moment of convenient arrival. She could have found them 10 minutes later and it would still be a good time. And considering she was in the area, I don't really get what all the fuss is about.

Well, I think that the moment when the guards started dragging Sansa with them was as hopeless and as perfect moment for the help to arrive as it gets, in terms of a TV-show.

In fact I probably would've been fine if it happened 10 minutes later. It wouldn't look as contrived as it did. To each his own I guess.

It's just about creating drama and a moment of excitement. It's used all throughout entertainment.

And yea, the pulsing red stone is in the books (I recall it catching Jon's eyes often) but never noticed it in the TV show or even thought to pay attention to it until now.
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Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 11:59:20 AM: Going back to the last episode, one of my favorite moment was when Ramsey gave that impassioned tribute about Myranda and ended with the quip of saving her good meat for the dogs. :eek ??? Classic Ramsey.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 26, 2016, 12:19:17 PM: Quote from: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 11:59:20 AM
Going back to the last episode, one of my favorite moment was when Ramsey gave that impassioned tribute about Myranda and ended with the quip of saving her good meat for the dogs. :eek ??? Classic Ramsey.

:lol that was great and fit that character perfectly. Any other response wouldn't have done.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 12:26:11 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 26, 2016, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 11:59:20 AM
Going back to the last episode, one of my favorite moment was when Ramsey gave that impassioned tribute about Myranda and ended with the quip of saving her good meat for the dogs. :eek ??? Classic Ramsey.

:lol that was great and fit that character perfectly. Any other response wouldn't have done.

Agreed, he really does love his dogs :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 12:42:00 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Just watched the season 2 episode 1 scene with Melisandre and Stannis' maester. Where he tries to poison her, but when she drinks the poisoned wine, she is fine, but if you watch closely... the red stone in her necklace is clearly pulsing brightly. I read about that so I had to watch it for myself since I never picked up on that in the show.

Speaking of going to that season, I was slightly disappointed that they didn't include Patchface, only because I was curious to see how they would have cast him and how true to the book the character would have acted. It's not a major loss, obviously. He's just one of those characters that I was curious about because of the theories behind his prophecies.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:16:23 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Just watched the season 2 episode 1 scene with Melisandre and Stannis' maester. Where he tries to poison her, but when she drinks the poisoned wine, she is fine, but if you watch closely... the red stone in her necklace is clearly pulsing brightly. I read about that so I had to watch it for myself since I never picked up on that in the show.

Speaking of going to that season, I was slightly disappointed that they didn't include Patchface, only because I was curious to see how they would have cast him and how true to the book the character would have acted. It's not a major loss, obviously. He's just one of those characters that I was curious about because of the theories behind his prophecies.

True, but the show mostly kept all of the prophecies out although we saw Cersei talk a bit about those last episode
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 01:18:35 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Just watched the season 2 episode 1 scene with Melisandre and Stannis' maester. Where he tries to poison her, but when she drinks the poisoned wine, she is fine, but if you watch closely... the red stone in her necklace is clearly pulsing brightly. I read about that so I had to watch it for myself since I never picked up on that in the show.

Speaking of going to that season, I was slightly disappointed that they didn't include Patchface, only because I was curious to see how they would have cast him and how true to the book the character would have acted. It's not a major loss, obviously. He's just one of those characters that I was curious about because of the theories behind his prophecies.

True, but the show mostly kept all of the prophecies out although we saw Cersei talk a bit about those last episode

I know. It was a really unnecessary character to throw in the show.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:35:19 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 01:18:35 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Just watched the season 2 episode 1 scene with Melisandre and Stannis' maester. Where he tries to poison her, but when she drinks the poisoned wine, she is fine, but if you watch closely... the red stone in her necklace is clearly pulsing brightly. I read about that so I had to watch it for myself since I never picked up on that in the show.

Speaking of going to that season, I was slightly disappointed that they didn't include Patchface, only because I was curious to see how they would have cast him and how true to the book the character would have acted. It's not a major loss, obviously. He's just one of those characters that I was curious about because of the theories behind his prophecies.

True, but the show mostly kept all of the prophecies out although we saw Cersei talk a bit about those last episode

I know. It was a really unnecessary character to throw in the show.

Yea, the one character I wish was in the show is Coldhands. Granted that may have been unnecessary too, but he is certainly an intriguing character.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 01:39:35 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 01:18:35 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Just watched the season 2 episode 1 scene with Melisandre and Stannis' maester. Where he tries to poison her, but when she drinks the poisoned wine, she is fine, but if you watch closely... the red stone in her necklace is clearly pulsing brightly. I read about that so I had to watch it for myself since I never picked up on that in the show.

Speaking of going to that season, I was slightly disappointed that they didn't include Patchface, only because I was curious to see how they would have cast him and how true to the book the character would have acted. It's not a major loss, obviously. He's just one of those characters that I was curious about because of the theories behind his prophecies.

True, but the show mostly kept all of the prophecies out although we saw Cersei talk a bit about those last episode

I know. It was a really unnecessary character to throw in the show.

Yea, the one character I wish was in the show is Coldhands. Granted that may have been unnecessary too, but he is certainly an intriguing character.

Absolutely. He's definitely one of those mysterious characters that whose identity we don't know. Could it be Benjen?
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:49:54 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 01:18:35 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Just watched the season 2 episode 1 scene with Melisandre and Stannis' maester. Where he tries to poison her, but when she drinks the poisoned wine, she is fine, but if you watch closely... the red stone in her necklace is clearly pulsing brightly. I read about that so I had to watch it for myself since I never picked up on that in the show.

Speaking of going to that season, I was slightly disappointed that they didn't include Patchface, only because I was curious to see how they would have cast him and how true to the book the character would have acted. It's not a major loss, obviously. He's just one of those characters that I was curious about because of the theories behind his prophecies.

True, but the show mostly kept all of the prophecies out although we saw Cersei talk a bit about those last episode

I know. It was a really unnecessary character to throw in the show.

Yea, the one character I wish was in the show is Coldhands. Granted that may have been unnecessary too, but he is certainly an intriguing character.

Absolutely. He's definitely one of those mysterious characters that whose identity we don't know. Could it be Benjen?

Not according to GRRM. I think at the end of the day he's just not that important, but the mystery around him is what everyone wants to know. Maybe the books will go into that more at one time.
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 01:56:32 PM: I just read that after I posted the message. GRRM said it's definitely not Benjen. There's another theory that it's the Night King which ties in with him being an old Stark, which is why he takes an interest in Jon. I don't know if you read into that theory. Some say that theory is the one that GRRM said a fan guessed completely right. Jon has to marry a white walker bride to reform the pact between men and white walkers. If I can find it, I'll send it to you. It's this long convoluted theory.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 02:09:24 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 01:56:32 PM
I just read that after I posted the message. GRRM said it's definitely not Benjen. There's another theory that it's the Night King which ties in with him being an old Stark, which is why he takes an interest in Jon. I don't know if you read into that theory. Some say that theory is the one that GRRM said a fan guessed completely right. Jon has to marry a white walker bride to reform the pact between men and white walkers. If I can find it, I'll send it to you. It's this long convoluted theory.

I've seen it, I don't believe that though in terms of Jon's future, but I do believe there's some good possibilities about who the Night's King actually is. (whether being a Stark or a previous Lord Commander of the Night's watch).
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Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 02:28:07 PM: It's all so intriguing. There are a number of possible outcomes that would be awesome.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 02:47:59 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 02:28:07 PM
It's all so intriguing. There are a number of possible outcomes that would be awesome.

And that's why this show is awesome! Including things like I pointed our earlier with the necklace, something like that was shown to us all back in season 2 and here we are (or at least I am) talking about it and how it relates to something in season 6.
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Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 02:57:12 PM: That's why I love re-watching the older episodes, so many things make contextual sense or foreshadow events.
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Post by: DragonAttack on April 26, 2016, 05:32:02 PM: Thanks for the background on Melisandre.

I got the gist of it when they showed her reflection....but it was good that they showed how feeble she really is. btw....wouldn't you tie the necklace to your wrist at night, and not leave it on a table ten feet away? ;)

Enjoyed the first episode Monday night (was at a DT concert Sunday). Lots of loose ends to try and put together, and like 'Better Call Saul', we can be patient for everything to develop.
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2016, 05:39:43 PM: Quote from: DragonAttack on April 26, 2016, 05:32:02 PM
Thanks for the background on Melisandre.

I got the gist of it when they showed her reflection....but it was good that they showed how feeble she really is. btw....wouldn't you tie the necklace to your wrist at night, and not leave it on a table ten feet away? ;)

I think it was intentional. I'm not sure if she is intending to die that night or what.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 05:42:21 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 26, 2016, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: DragonAttack on April 26, 2016, 05:32:02 PM
Thanks for the background on Melisandre.

I got the gist of it when they showed her reflection....but it was good that they showed how feeble she really is. btw....wouldn't you tie the necklace to your wrist at night, and not leave it on a table ten feet away? ;)

I think it was intentional. I'm not sure if she is intending to die that night or what.

Some think it is because she is in a weakened state after Stannis' death and she is currently questioning her own faith, hence her moment to I guess "be herself" but that is just another theory as is the dying one.
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2016, 05:43:20 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 26, 2016, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: Adami on April 26, 2016, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: DragonAttack on April 26, 2016, 05:32:02 PM
Thanks for the background on Melisandre.

I got the gist of it when they showed her reflection....but it was good that they showed how feeble she really is. btw....wouldn't you tie the necklace to your wrist at night, and not leave it on a table ten feet away? ;)

I think it was intentional. I'm not sure if she is intending to die that night or what.

Some think it is because she is in a weakened state after Stannis' death and she is currently questioning her own faith, hence her moment to I guess "be herself" but that is just another theory as is the dying one.

All good theories. Clearly the most obvious one is "Hey audience....this is who you've been fapping to......yup.....take it all in"
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 26, 2016, 05:51:10 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 26, 2016, 07:10:34 AM
Hell, I was the first to tell people this show is awesome during the first four seasons - I was willing to forgive a lot of flaws back then, because I felt the show writers cared about it and about making a faithful adaptation. Season 5 butchered this feeling completely.

I'll address the plot points arguments when I get home, but honestly, with posts like this one

Quote from: kaos2900 on April 26, 2016, 06:51:35 AM
I think it's funny that so many people are trying to nitpick every little thing on the show because they don't want to admit how awesome this show it. ;)

directed at me I think this is the last episode I'm going to bother with this.

It's funny how some people who like the show don't want to admit it's possible for some fans to dislike it.

Hey man, just wanted to clarify that my comment wasn't directed at you specifically. I don't expect everyone to like the show. My question in general would be if people dislike the show and then specifically only comment on the part they don't like then why watch it? There has to be something that people like to keep them watching.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 26, 2016, 05:52:13 PM: Predictions for episode 2?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 06:29:52 PM: Not a surprise that records for ratings (https://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/26/game-thrones-premiere-ratings) were broken but interesting HBO is counting the online viewership as well.

Also Honest trailers did an updated version of the GOT trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LHmkVqYgKo)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 08:53:26 PM: This is pretty cool, it's the letter Prince Doran reads finding out about Marcella that Jamie wrote. That would explain the Sand sisters getting on the boat.
https://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/objects-from-dorne (https://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/objects-from-dorne)

Click on the first picture of the letter.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2016, 06:35:35 AM: Quote from: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
This is pretty cool, it's the letter Prince Doran reads finding out about Marcella that Jamie wrote. That would explain the Sand sisters getting on the boat.
https://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/objects-from-dorne (https://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/objects-from-dorne)

Click on the first picture of the letter.

Very cool! And yes, that explains things about the boat and Trystane.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 27, 2016, 11:15:02 AM: Yeah, that Dorne letter is interesting. Why didn't they, like, you know, show it in the episode itself? It wouldn't take more than a few seconds and people could've dissected the episode afterwards and read it. They often did this in earlier seasons.

Also, already pointed out in the comments to the pic, but "neices"? :facepalm:

Anyway, people who dislike the rants about the show should probably skip this, but I've read this one rant on westeros.org (https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/139212-spoilers-criticize-without-repercussion/&do=findComment&comment=7557497) and it's gold. I don't necessarily agree with all the points there, but it legitimately made me laugh a couple of times. :lol

Quote from: kaos2900 on April 26, 2016, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Evermind on April 26, 2016, 07:10:34 AM
Hell, I was the first to tell people this show is awesome during the first four seasons - I was willing to forgive a lot of flaws back then, because I felt the show writers cared about it and about making a faithful adaptation. Season 5 butchered this feeling completely.

I'll address the plot points arguments when I get home, but honestly, with posts like this one

Quote from: kaos2900 on April 26, 2016, 06:51:35 AM
My question in general would be if people dislike the show and then specifically only comment on the part they don't like then why watch it? There has to be something that people like to keep them watching.

Can't speak for everyone, and I kinda like some moments in the show still, but in my opinion:

1) People who dislike the show (like me) still watch it because they're fans of the ASOIAF universe. I consider myself one of those fans and I'm going to follow anything officially ASOIAF-related, regardless if it's bad or good, like this show, Telltale Games series and so on.

2) Some people like to hate-watch. I'm not one of them, but I'll be honest, I'm kind of looking forward to Dorne scenes now just so I can laugh during them. They're comedy gold in my opinion.

3) Spoilers. The show is so big at this moment, almost everyone is discussing it in the countries where it officially airs. If a person likes the books but dislikes the show, and doesn't want to hear any spoilers regarding the thing, he should totally stop chatting with everyone at work or browse the Internet or whatever. I expect spoilers everywhere at the end of this season. So between getting spoiled by people at work / at the web / wherever, people are probably choosing to watch and see for themselves. That was part of the reason I decided to watch S6, actually.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 27, 2016, 01:03:32 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 27, 2016, 11:15:02 AM

Also, already pointed out in the comments to the pic, but "neices"? :facepalm:

I don't remember from the first three books that I read but wasn't Jamie dyslexic?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 27, 2016, 01:08:27 PM: Quote from: faizoff on April 27, 2016, 01:03:32 PM
Quote from: Evermind on April 27, 2016, 11:15:02 AM

Also, already pointed out in the comments to the pic, but "neices"? :facepalm:

I don't remember from the first three books that I read but wasn't Jamie dyslexic?

Um... no, I certainly don't think he was. I might be misremembering though, so if you can quote the related passage from the books, that would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 27, 2016, 01:11:36 PM: I can't remember it from the books either, but it's been clearly hinted at in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2016, 01:25:05 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 27, 2016, 01:11:36 PM
I can't remember it from the books either, but it's been clearly hinted at in the show.

How so? I must have missed this too, in both show and book (which is very possible).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 27, 2016, 01:31:48 PM: Tywin describes teaching Jaime to read to Arya at Harrenhal (show only). He says something like the maesters thought Jaime had something where the "letters mixed up in his head" or something like that. I can't remember if there's anything comparable in the book.

Edit: The quote from Season 2 Episode 6.
Quote
I taught my son Jaime to read.
The maester came to me one day, told me he wasn't learning.
He couldn't make sense of the letters.
He reversed them in his head.
The maester said he'd heard tell of this affliction and that we simply must accept it.
Ha! After that, I sat Jaime down for four hours every day until he learned.
He hated me for it, for a time.
For a long time.
But he learned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 27, 2016, 01:41:52 PM: Number 5

https://mentalfloss.com/article/63016/10-popular-game-thrones-fan-theories
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2016, 02:05:05 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on April 27, 2016, 01:41:52 PM
Number 5

https://mentalfloss.com/article/63016/10-popular-game-thrones-fan-theories

Interesting, thanks for sharing this
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2016, 02:15:19 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 27, 2016, 02:05:05 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 27, 2016, 01:41:52 PM
Number 5

https://mentalfloss.com/article/63016/10-popular-game-thrones-fan-theories

Interesting, thanks for sharing this

yeah, those are all cool and seem plausible to me. It'd be neat if one or more were 'true'...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2016, 02:17:01 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2016, 02:15:19 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 27, 2016, 02:05:05 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 27, 2016, 01:41:52 PM
Number 5

https://mentalfloss.com/article/63016/10-popular-game-thrones-fan-theories

Interesting, thanks for sharing this

yeah, those are all cool and seem plausible to me. It'd be neat if one or more were 'true'...

I actually found the Meera and Jon Snow theory interesting. I had read that before, but never looked at a picture of the two side by side... :omg:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 27, 2016, 03:57:52 PM: I'm not so sure George Martin would go down the "split up the twins at birth" ruote, that has, er, kinda been done before... for such an original series that makes a point of killing off characters and having a lot of people with the same name 'cause names were given to honor kings and previous family members, to pull a Star Wars at the end would be kinda akward.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 27, 2016, 05:27:20 PM: Excellent premiere, did not see the Dorne stuff coming but aside from losing a good actor; the events are interesting and very game of thrones-like.

Quote from: faizoff on April 26, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
This is pretty cool, it's the letter Prince Doran reads finding out about Marcella that Jamie wrote. That would explain the Sand sisters getting on the boat.
https://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/objects-from-dorne (https://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/objects-from-dorne)

Click on the first picture of the letter.

I was telling my wife about this note and how it still doesn't explain what happened timeline-wise but she remarked that Tristane must have arrived at a different port in King's Landing because he was painting the eye stones they'd put over Myrcella's dead body so he must have intended to stay for the funeral without Cersei's -or possibly Jaime's- knowing, which means the Sand Snakes killed him in King's Landing and they're still there.. does this make sense?

I avoid book purists like the plague, just like I do with The Walking Dead, but I get interested in hearing their frustrated opinions every now and then even though their opinions are so often expressed with remarkable snobbery and passive aggressiveness, I've taken to treating them like 5 year olds; it's silly of you to push back or point out that they're behaving like douchebags. In this instance I checked out the woman from Westeros.org video review (https://youtu.be/0yyPQkQ-3Bs) and good fuckin god.. these people must be living in anguish! The level of sarcastic bitterness is not like any I've ever seen before :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2016, 05:38:32 PM: It's frustrating reading the forum on westeros.org with the book purists disliking everything on the show. We get it, it's different.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 27, 2016, 06:04:48 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
Since when has Jamie turned back into "old Jamie". He has always been the same person, we've just learned more about him. The experiences of S2-3 probably made some difference, but he's still the same guy at he was before all that at heart. I don't know what you expect him to do differently.
One of the things in my opinion that makes GoT so compelling is that nothing is black or white. In S1 it was extremely easy to point the Starks as the 'good guys' and the Lannisters as the 'bad guys', with every other family in between; but as the show and books progress it's evident that nothing is that simple.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 27, 2016, 07:16:17 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
Since when has Jamie turned back into "old Jamie". He has always been the same person, we've just learned more about him. The experiences of S2-3 probably made some difference, but he's still the same guy at he was before all that at heart. I don't know what you expect him to do differently.

I thought Jaime's character had definitely undergone some major changes, even the way the actor plays him is very different, I can trace down to the moment he lost his hand and took a liking to Brienne. He became humble, compassionate and lost all the arrogance he portrayed in the first season and during his captivity.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2016, 06:35:41 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 27, 2016, 07:16:17 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
Since when has Jamie turned back into "old Jamie". He has always been the same person, we've just learned more about him. The experiences of S2-3 probably made some difference, but he's still the same guy at he was before all that at heart. I don't know what you expect him to do differently.

I thought Jaime's character had definitely undergone some major changes, even the way the actor plays him is very different, I can trace down to the moment he lost his hand and took a liking to Brienne. He became humble, compassionate and lost all the arrogance he portrayed in the first season and during his captivity.

The cutting off of the hand is when he changed. Sure he still has that same type of attitude, but losing the hand humbled him quite a bit. The scene with Myrcella before she dies is not the same Jamie from season 1.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 28, 2016, 06:44:16 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 28, 2016, 06:35:41 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on April 27, 2016, 07:16:17 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 26, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
Since when has Jamie turned back into "old Jamie". He has always been the same person, we've just learned more about him. The experiences of S2-3 probably made some difference, but he's still the same guy at he was before all that at heart. I don't know what you expect him to do differently.

I thought Jaime's character had definitely undergone some major changes, even the way the actor plays him is very different, I can trace down to the moment he lost his hand and took a liking to Brienne. He became humble, compassionate and lost all the arrogance he portrayed in the first season and during his captivity.

The cutting off of the hand is when he changed. Sure he still has that same type of attitude, but losing the hand humbled him quite a bit. The scene with Myrcella before she dies is not the same Jamie from season 1.

His experiences were a harsh dose of reality and coming to the realization that he wasn't his surname at that point, but a prisoner of the world. Part of which that same family name had caused.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 28, 2016, 09:25:42 AM: For me Jaimie's best moment remains the explanation to Brienne of why he killed the Mad King. He's despised by everyone for the best decision he made in his life, and he's too proud (and too certain to be right) to explain himself, letting everyone call him Kingslayer. The same king that would have been killed on spot 2 minutes later when Ned Startk and company arrived in the throne room :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 28, 2016, 09:31:36 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 28, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
For me Jaimie's best moment remains the explanation to Brienne of why he killed the Mad King.

Agreed, I love that scene.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 28, 2016, 09:44:43 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on April 28, 2016, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 28, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
For me Jaimie's best moment remains the explanation to Brienne of why he killed the Mad King.

Agreed, I love that scene.

This I can agree with.

Saw this on FB:

(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13124937_216942202020389_4021113450135358641_n.jpg?oh=7deb011a87034cb8436e736bbbf63e88&oe=57B2B63A)

:lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 28, 2016, 09:47:38 AM: :lol

Quote from: BlackInk on April 28, 2016, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 28, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
For me Jaimie's best moment remains the explanation to Brienne of why he killed the Mad King.

Agreed, I love that scene.

Yea, great scene :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2016, 10:58:12 AM: Quote from: Evermind on April 28, 2016, 09:44:43 AM
Saw this on FB:

(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13124937_216942202020389_4021113450135358641_n.jpg?oh=7deb011a87034cb8436e736bbbf63e88&oe=57B2B63A)

:lol
*steals*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 28, 2016, 11:17:35 AM: I never posted about the episode here. I will go storyline by storyline from best to worst.

The Great

The Wall - The storyline we were all most intersted in to be honest. Amazing, beautiful opening scenes. The scene with Alliser Thorne talking to the Night's Watch was pretty good too - it reinforced the point that killing Jon was (supposedly) "For The Watch" rather than personal and name-checked Bowen Marsh and Othell Yarwyck, plus it shows how well Thorne knows how to play the game (let's all just forget Thorne that you were technically the one who opened the gates to the wildlings...). And the Melisandre reveal was obviously the main point of the episode. I wondered how they would show it if it was indeed confirmed in the show (there are hints in the books and from actor interviews for it), but I did not expect them to go so far. That will be one of the most striking and memorable moments in the series I think. Only real criticism there can be of this storyline is that not too much happened and it is clearly holding a lot back for the next episode or two... I expected we would see the resolution of Thorne trying to break into the room, but that they didn't include it in this episode makes me think it will be a pretty significant sequence with the return of Edd and the wildlings (and hopefully Ghost mauling Olly).

Winterfell / The North - Sansa and Theon's fleeing scenes were good, it really gives a good sense of the coldness. Ramsay and Roose's conversation in Winterfell was good. It was an odd moment when it was almost trying to make Ramsay sympathetic due to Myranda's death... but ending with "feed her to the hounds" is a nice reminder that it's the same old Ramsay. Finally Brienne and Podrick's arrival and the fight against the Boltons, and the scene of Brienne pledging herself to Sansa was brilliant, surprisingly moving and with nice little moments for all the characters.

The Average

King's Landing - The King's Landing storyline is the show's bread and butter, not much happened here this episode but it was a nice enough demonstration of the current state of a couple of key characters and a reaction to the events of the finale. Great moments for Lena Headey here. I am really ready for Jaime to distance himself from Cersei but the scenes in this episode were really focused on Cersei so I am fine with there not being any progression on that front.

The Dothraki Sea / Danaerys - I liked this stuff, and it is probably the most interesting Danaerys scenes that don't include the dragons in a while (not that that's a high bar). Also fairly clearly demonstrated how Jorah would easily have a chance to find the ring she dropped.

Braavos - A short scene, just tuching base with Arya really, but serves its purpose well - things look pretty depressing for her being blind and on the streets, and we've established the waif is going to keep coming back and force her to learn despite being blind. We can see more of that next time.

Meh-reen - Nothing much happening here. Nice to show the poor state of the city, and with Tyrion and Varys it looks like we might be exploring that a bit more than with Danaerys. Looks like they will acually be looking into who leads the Sons of the Harpy too. And the fleet is burned! The Ironborn may be back in play in the east. Why would the Sons of the Harpy want to take out theships? Maybe it will be explained, but just as likely it's a "let's not ask that question" moment.

The Abortion

Dorne - I am late posting here so people have probably read enough about this already... Look, Doran being abruptly killed off by Elaria Sand without getting to do anything obviously offends my book reader sensibilities, but if anyone has read some of my posts here you'll know that I am extremely understanding of changes from the book for the adaptation. I was actually quite excited to see the show diverge further from where the books will be going this season, so that they could focus on the material they have been doing really well rather than struggling with plotlines from the book that aren't easily adapted. So when I say this was an unmitigated disaster, it's not just because it's a change from the book or anything like that. I was also pretty forgiving of the Dorne storyline last year too - yes, it was poor, but it was just one weak storyline and I could understand some of the difficulties and missteps that led to it falling flat, and also see the elements there that at least had potential. I was happy enough to put the storyline behind us as one that didn't really work overall and had a couple of memorably bad scenes... but this latest stuff just took what was awful about Dorne last year and turned it up to 11 (while also killing all the characters that were at least well cast / acted and were mildly sympathetic and interesting), and shoved it right into the premiere too. To be honest, although it was just one bad storyline, it really put a damper on my enjoyment of the entire episode. Maybe if more had happened in the rest of the episode, it would have been enough to overshadow it. But since the other storylines were pretty slow and there wasn't that much other material, it was hard to just forget the utter disappointment that was Dorne.

So overall impressions... well, the beginning of the episode was fantastic. It was a little slow even by the standards of season permieres which usually spend a bit of time catching up on where different characters are and setting things up for the future, but obviously some of the stuff its setting up looks extremely promising. But even though it's just a couple of bad scenes, the Dorne stuff this time was so bad that it's hard not to let it sour the overall impression of the episode. I just hope we can get more of the good stuff next time so that I can wash Dorne out of my brain - and I really hope that the sand snakes don't become a burden that will drag the whole show down with them, which I was not worried about at all before last episode but now I must admit I'm a little concerned about...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on April 28, 2016, 12:27:37 PM: Quote from: Evermind on April 28, 2016, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on April 28, 2016, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 28, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
For me Jaimie's best moment remains the explanation to Brienne of why he killed the Mad King.

Agreed, I love that scene.

This I can agree with.

Saw this on FB:

(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13124937_216942202020389_4021113450135358641_n.jpg?oh=7deb011a87034cb8436e736bbbf63e88&oe=57B2B63A)

:lol

:rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 01, 2016, 07:57:15 PM: Holy shit some housecleaning this week. Also I'm happy about the end but part of me just didn't want it to be so convenient.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 01, 2016, 08:00:06 PM: Another fricking amazing episode. My favorite part was probably the part with the giant. I had an out there sorta bet that Jon Snow would come back as a white walker. I hope I'm still right lol!!
Actually no my favorite part was.. I think all of it. Man so many intense and excellent scenes. Ramsey oh my god!! Bran part was awesome, The scene with Jamie and High sparrow was intense and that scene with the mountain LOL.

Man what a rush that episode gave.

Also 'Don't eat the help' I think that's going to be my new signature.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 01, 2016, 08:15:22 PM: Two straight weeks of housecleaning, except for that glimmer of Snow that won't go away. :biggrin: I didn't expect it to happen so quickly in the season. The part with Tormund and Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun was my favorite.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DragonAttack on May 01, 2016, 08:53:31 PM: Well, we don't know 'what' Jon Snow comes back as.

With the 'Boltons'....I was wondering who was going to kill who first. Didn't expect it to only take one minute.

Great episode!

Oh...the dragons had a chance for Chinese food, but passed on 'shrimp toast'.
(ya heard it hear first, folks)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 01, 2016, 09:57:12 PM: I got to thinking why the wildings fighting back with Ed was so much more powerful than I initially thought. Last season's Hardome really seals in that sentiment of loyalty to Jon Snow. Especially for Thormund who finally believed in Jon. God what an amazing episode, just thinking about it gives me chills. The franken-Mountain was awesome. Glad I have HBOGo and can watch all episodes as many times as I wish.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2016, 10:23:56 PM: Good episode, even if a few parts were pretty convenient.

I think my favorite had to be the part between Jamie and the high sparrow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 01, 2016, 10:25:30 PM: Another awesome episode! The build up and the anticipation for the events at The Wall were simply thrilling!
I was taken aback by how fast the Boltons story line unraveled, great stuff. I noticed Ramsay's stab came from a similar position and proxmity of which Roose stabbed Robb Stark.
Ramsay though.. if you check his pocket you'll probably find this:
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41lWAK79KaL._AC_UL480_SR480,480_.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 01, 2016, 10:29:27 PM: ME:

(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/friends/images/d/da/Shocked.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130211050004)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 01, 2016, 10:30:57 PM: Also, yeah.

If anyone deserves the title of a fucked up villain in Game of Thrones it's definitely Ramsey. With other characters, even if they do messed up stuff you can usually understand (kinda) their motivations and that's what makes the series so compelling. Speaking of Ramsey, he's just a sick bastard.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2016, 10:50:57 PM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 01, 2016, 10:30:57 PM
Also, yeah.

If anyone deserves the title of a fucked up villain in Game of Thrones it's definitely Ramsey. With other characters, even if they do messed up stuff you can usually understand (kinda) their motivations and that's what makes the series so compelling. Speaking of Ramsey, he's just a sick bastard.

Really? I'd put him level with Joffrey. Ramsey has reasons to do a good amount of what he does, and the rest of it is just because he's a sick person who likes to see others suffer. Joffrey...is the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 01, 2016, 10:54:06 PM: Ah, Joffrey. I forgot about the little bastard. :lol

Yeah, Joffrey was so easy to hate. I was talking about active characters in the show, but I get perfectly what you mean.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2016, 10:57:50 PM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 01, 2016, 10:54:06 PM
Ah, Joffrey. I forgot about the little bastard. :lol

Yeah, Joffrey was so easy to hate. I was talking about active characters in the show, but I get perfectly what you mean.

Yea, of all the currently alive people, Ramsey would be my number 1 as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 01, 2016, 11:15:19 PM: I think Ramsay is just another Joffrey but older in age. Both sniveling little shits and will be very glad to see gone by painful means.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 02, 2016, 01:09:51 AM: Oh wow, I came here to talk about this NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/arts/television/ramsay-bolton-of-game-of-thrones-is-the-most-hated-man-on-tv.html?_r=0) article and found you fellas discussing a related topic!
I disagree with all above posts, I think Ramsay is a very different character and villain than Joffrey, to me comparing them is like saying Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister are similar for being good guys.
Joffrey was a flat character, completely one dimensional, which is normal for a teenager. His motives were non-existent, his sadistic nature came out of nowhere and all his violent actions were either unjustified or products of pure vindictiveness.
Ramsay is very interesting IMO, he's sadistic but doesn't let that get in the way of his goals, he's an excellent war strategist and a cunning leader. He also has weaknesses and emotional drives, he's much more real than Joffery.
Sadism is the only thing they have in common, but I don't think that's enough to label two characters "the same".
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 02, 2016, 03:13:07 AM: aaawwwwrrriiiite. bring on next week.
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Post by: ariich on May 02, 2016, 03:32:52 AM: Definitely a better episode, though I didn't really like the Bolton stuff very much. Ramsay is just horrible whereas Roose was a really interesting character so it's kinda lame that he's gone. Unless, of course, the theory that he's immortal is right and he somehow comes back. :lol Also wasn't entirely convinced about Tommen wanting to be "stronger" i.e. more vicious - I'd prefer him not to turn into another Cersei/Joffrey.

But yeah, most of it was solid. Jamie and the High Sparrow was an excellent scene, the Iron Islands stuff was well done and seems to be quickly catching up on the books, and the ending was also very well done if unsurprising!
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 02, 2016, 04:42:21 AM: Hell of an episode! So satisfying after last week, where I had to keep actively trying to remember the good material and supress the memory of the Dorne scenes...

I suspected Ramsay would be killing Roose (I much prefer Roose too), I thought it'd take longer but during the scene I started to suspect it'd be this episode. A bit abrupt, but a cool reference to Roose killing Robb Stark in the way he died. And the Walda scene was just grim, very well done. I also have a mildly interesting tinfoil theory about something similar happening later...

Most notable things for me were the Wall (obviously) and the Iron Islands. I was really satisfied with Euron's introduction, it was such a cool scene and I loved that they worked in some of my favourite Euron quotes from the book. Also there will be a Kingsmoot.

Edd and the wildlings return and the giant were great. I actively cheered when Olly rushed forward to attack the wildlings - not because I wanted him to succeed obviously, but because I thought it'd give a good reason for Edd or Tormund to cut him down or Wun Wun to stomp him to death. Didn't happen obviously, but at least it meant he was thrown in the cells.

And with Jon's return, Alliser and particularly Olly are nicely positioned to help establish what's become of his character. For example of he has become a more forgiving, Jesus-like figure, he might let them go and not punish them... But if (more likely) he has become a darker more ruthless Jon, we may see that when he kills Olly himself. And I even have an odd suspicion of how it might happen; with Jon and Ramsay now positioned as enemies in the North that may be heading for a collision, we might see scenes that parallel each other. And just as Ramsay has his own brother killed by unleashing his hounds on the trapped and helpless Walda and her baby, I think Jon's young "brother" in the Night's Watch could die in a similar manner when Jon lets Ghost loose into Olly's cell. If his death has made him more ruthless, which I think it will.

Every storyline was pretty good this episode. The fact that I'm not thinking much about great scenes like Tyrion with the dragons or Bran seeing young Ned, Benjen, Lyanna, Hodor (and was that a young Ser Rodrik too?) and "Middle-aged Nan", because they were overshadowed by bigger moments, just shows how much good and interesting stuff there was. Looking forward to next week's episode
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 05:32:14 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 02, 2016, 04:42:21 AM

Every storyline was pretty good this episode. The fact that I'm not thinking much about great scenes like Tyrion with the dragons or Bran seeing young Ned, Benjen, Lyanna, Hodor (and was that a young Ser Rodrik too?) and "Middle-aged Nan", because they were overshadowed by bigger moments, just shows how much good and interesting stuff there was. Looking forward to next week's episode

I believe that was supposed to be a young Ser Rodrik, judging by the pork chops.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2016, 06:29:32 AM: That was one hell of an episode. For my money, probably the best single episode in several seasons.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 06:50:26 AM: Great episode and honestly, the most uninteresting part was the last scene of Jon's revival. That was so damn obvious, when Tormund mentioned he was going to get a fire going I thought for sure he'd come back to live via fire, but I guess Melisandre was able to just do her thing now. Too easy and predictable so hard for that to be the best part of the episode.

Tyrion using his knowledge of dragons
Roose and family being killed off was surprising and it looks like the Karstarks are supporting Ramsay now?
Welcome Euron! We see that you killed your brother so that's a nice spoiler for the books! (Even though balon died way back when in the books, it was never confirmed who did it).
The High Septon in his rags is one bad ass, I really can't wait to see the faith militant die
Sir Robert Strong did some awesome head banging :metal
Grey Worm looks healthy
Bran visions!!
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Post by: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 06:56:27 AM: I know there are still 8 more episodes left but for some reason it feels like it's very few. Maybe because unlike other seasons there isn't much in terms of setup happening, and we're seeing the things right away for the most part. I really hope they can bring Samwell Tarly and Gili in somehow. I love the chemistry between the two actors and really hope they shoehorn them in.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 07:03:46 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 06:56:27 AM
I know there are still 8 more episodes left but for some reason it feels like it's very few. Maybe because unlike other seasons there isn't much in terms of setup happening, and we're seeing the things right away for the most part. I really hope they can bring Samwell Tarly and Gili in somehow. I love the chemistry between the two actors and really hope they shoehorn them in.

They will be back for sure
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Post by: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM: So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 09:07:13 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2016, 06:29:32 AM
That was one hell of an episode. For my money, probably the best single episode in several seasons.

I really liked the Tyrion/Dragon Scene. It wasn't flashy and I never felt like he was in any danger (I mean, they wouldn't kill him off like that...right?) but how he spoke to them as if they were people to gain their trust was interesting.

It was nice to finally get the worst kept secret of Jon Snow's resurrection out of the way. Curious as to if he's still "Jon Snow" though?

Ramsay....just wow. What can you say. Possibly the greatest villan going right now on any show...and up there as one of the best ever?

Really curious as to future 'visions' from Bran. That'd be such a cool way to learn Jon Snow's true lineage and if it's indeed the popular theory.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 09:20:47 AM: Forgot to mention another point about last episode, Hodor! He is willis and wasn't always Hodor!
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Post by: ariich on May 02, 2016, 09:58:29 AM: Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?
The books haven't got this far yet. For his/the wall's storyline, the latest book ended the same way as season 5.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 09:07:13 AM
I really liked the Tyrion/Dragon Scene. It wasn't flashy and I never felt like he was in any danger (I mean, they wouldn't kill him off like that...right?) but how he spoke to them as if they were people to gain their trust was interesting.
Also lent some possible credence to the theory that Tyrion is part Targaryan.
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Post by: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 10:25:47 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2016, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?
The books haven't got this far yet. For his/the wall's storyline, the latest book ended the same way as season 5.

Hm... So the series is spoiling the books now :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 10:35:52 AM: Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2016, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?
The books haven't got this far yet. For his/the wall's storyline, the latest book ended the same way as season 5.

Hm... So the series is spoiling the books now :lol

Yup, spoilers everywhere for the books!
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2016, 10:36:48 AM: Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2016, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?
The books haven't got this far yet. For his/the wall's storyline, the latest book ended the same way as season 5.

Hm... So the series is spoiling the books now :lol

From what I understand they're just separate things now. The books (whenever they continue) will go in a different direction than the show.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 10:45:52 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 02, 2016, 10:36:48 AM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2016, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?
The books haven't got this far yet. For his/the wall's storyline, the latest book ended the same way as season 5.

Hm... So the series is spoiling the books now :lol

From what I understand they're just separate things now. The books (whenever they continue) will go in a different direction than the show.

Different directions to the same ending is my understanding, but I think there will be lots of similarities like how Jon comes back to life. I am thinking in the books, Mel maybsacrifice Shireen for this purpose, but who knows.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2016, 10:54:35 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2016, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?
The books haven't got this far yet. For his/the wall's storyline, the latest book ended the same way as season 5.

Hm... So the series is spoiling the books now :lol

Yup, spoilers everywhere for the books!
I blame George R. R. Martin.
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Post by: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 11:27:34 AM: I have a question if anyone can answer cause it's been a while since I've seen season 2. But at the end of the season, Theon is betrayed by his Greyjoy troops and handed over to Ramsay. Can anyone remember why this was done? I'm assuming those Greyjoy troops also abandoned their loyalty to Balon Greyjoy?
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Post by: Evermind on May 02, 2016, 11:33:05 AM: Uh, Euron killing Balon in the books was pretty much confirmed, even though he did it by hiring a Faceless Man assassin in the books because he wasn't around when Balon died. I won't bother looking for quotes or anything, but it wasn't a book spoiler whatsoever as far as I'm concerned.

I agree Jon's resurrection was somewhat lame. Best part of the episode for me was Bran's flashback. That was really nice.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 11:43:22 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 02, 2016, 11:33:05 AM
I agree Jon's resurrection was somewhat lame.

I still think (if the popular theory is true and he's half Targaryn) that it'd have been neat to have him not burn in a burial fire and resurrect as the fire burned. But, oh well...it is what it is. It's not that I think it was lame...it's just that it was expected. Everyone and their mother knew he was coming back so I think that took away from the scene a bit but all in all I was happy with how it went.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 02, 2016, 12:01:43 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
I have a question if anyone can answer cause it's been a while since I've seen season 2. But at the end of the season, Theon is betrayed by his Greyjoy troops and handed over to Ramsay. Can anyone remember why this was done? I'm assuming those Greyjoy troops also abandoned their loyalty to Balon Greyjoy?
They didn't exactly abandon their loyalty to Balon Greyjoy. An offer was made that if they gave up Theon then they would let the rest of the Ironborn go (Robb Stark told Roose Bolton to do this, and Roose Bolton sent Ramsay to Winterfell). So the Ironborn were just betraying Theon to try to save their own skin and be allowed to go back to the Iron Islands. Ramsay confirmed later in the series though that he did not honour the deal and killed those Ironborn anyway.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:28:36 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 02, 2016, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
I have a question if anyone can answer cause it's been a while since I've seen season 2. But at the end of the season, Theon is betrayed by his Greyjoy troops and handed over to Ramsay. Can anyone remember why this was done? I'm assuming those Greyjoy troops also abandoned their loyalty to Balon Greyjoy?
They didn't exactly abandon their loyalty to Balon Greyjoy. An offer was made that if they gave up Theon then they would let the rest of the Ironborn go (Robb Stark told Roose Bolton to do this, and Roose Bolton sent Ramsay to Winterfell). So the Ironborn were just betraying Theon to try to save their own skin and be allowed to go back to the Iron Islands. Ramsay confirmed later in the series though that he did not honour the deal and killed those Ironborn anyway.

What RuRo said.

And Evermind, it's not a total spoiler but the books did not in any way that I know, confirm who killed Balon. Euron arrives shortly after his death so it always seemed likely he was involved and the faceless man theory was just that, a theory, as far as I knew (and a way to explain how he died without Euron directly being there). Feel free to prove me wrong though.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 12:43:44 PM: Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?

In the book, he wargs into Ghost at the end, or at least that's the conclusion one could come to.

I think Jon's resurrection might have seemed disappointing because we were expecting it, but not so soon, or maybe it's because everybody was out of the room when it happened so there was no emotion from others yet. Don't get me wrong. I love that he is back, but it seemed so nonchalant and anticlimactic.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:46:02 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?

In the book, he wargs into Ghost at the end, or at least that's the conclusion one could come to.

I think Jon's resurrection might have seemed disappointing because we were expecting it, but not so soon, or maybe it's because everybody was out of the room when it happened so there was no emotion from others yet. Don't get me wrong. I love that he is back, but it seemed so nonchalant and anticlimactic.

Agreed and given Ghost's reaction last night, it is possible he did warg into ghost in the show and could only warg back into his body once life was given to it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 12:51:45 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?

In the book, he wargs into Ghost at the end, or at least that's the conclusion one could come to.

I think Jon's resurrection might have seemed disappointing because we were expecting it, but not so soon, or maybe it's because everybody was out of the room when it happened so there was no emotion from others yet. Don't get me wrong. I love that he is back, but it seemed so nonchalant and anticlimactic.

Agreed and given Ghost's reaction last night, it is possible he did warg into ghost in the show and could only warg back into his body once life was given to it.

but it'd seem like there would have been more emphasis on the fact that he was 'in' ghost. Other than Ghost howling after he died and trying to get out of his pen and then snarling to defend his body....there was no real "sign" that Jon had warged into Ghost. I'm doubting that he warged into him (on the show)...i think it was/is as simple as he was resurrected...just curious to see how being dead for a bit affects his demeanor, personality, actions??
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 01:01:26 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?

In the book, he wargs into Ghost at the end, or at least that's the conclusion one could come to.

I think Jon's resurrection might have seemed disappointing because we were expecting it, but not so soon, or maybe it's because everybody was out of the room when it happened so there was no emotion from others yet. Don't get me wrong. I love that he is back, but it seemed so nonchalant and anticlimactic.

Agreed and given Ghost's reaction last night, it is possible he did warg into ghost in the show and could only warg back into his body once life was given to it.

but it'd seem like there would have been more emphasis on the fact that he was 'in' ghost. Other than Ghost howling after he died and trying to get out of his pen and then snarling to defend his body....there was no real "sign" that Jon had warged into Ghost. I'm doubting that he warged into him (on the show)...i think it was/is as simple as he was resurrected...just curious to see how being dead for a bit affects his demeanor, personality, actions??

Speaking of Jon being in Ghost, it reminded me of this interview some of the guys did at the Oxford Union. It was pretty hysterical all around but this one thing Kit said had me in tears from laughing so hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRm5mvt_qD4
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Post by: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 01:19:43 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 02, 2016, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
I have a question if anyone can answer cause it's been a while since I've seen season 2. But at the end of the season, Theon is betrayed by his Greyjoy troops and handed over to Ramsay. Can anyone remember why this was done? I'm assuming those Greyjoy troops also abandoned their loyalty to Balon Greyjoy?
They didn't exactly abandon their loyalty to Balon Greyjoy. An offer was made that if they gave up Theon then they would let the rest of the Ironborn go (Robb Stark told Roose Bolton to do this, and Roose Bolton sent Ramsay to Winterfell). So the Ironborn were just betraying Theon to try to save their own skin and be allowed to go back to the Iron Islands. Ramsay confirmed later in the series though that he did not honour the deal and killed those Ironborn anyway.

That's right, I remember now. Thanks!
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Post by: BlackInk on May 02, 2016, 01:25:46 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 01:01:26 PM
Speaking of Jon being in Ghost, it reminded me of this interview some of the guys did at the Oxford Union. It was pretty hysterical all around but this one thing Kit said had me in tears from laughing so hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRm5mvt_qD4

That is really funny. I also love John Bailey's reaction.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 09:07:13 AM
I really liked the Tyrion/Dragon Scene. It wasn't flashy and I never felt like he was in any danger (I mean, they wouldn't kill him off like that...right?) but how he spoke to them as if they were people to gain their trust was interesting.

For a short nervous moment I thought he was walking into the end of Quentyn's storyline :lol

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
I still think (if the popular theory is true and he's half Targaryn) that it'd have been neat to have him not burn in a burial fire and resurrect as the fire burned. But, oh well...it is what it is. It's not that I think it was lame...it's just that it was expected. Everyone and their mother knew he was coming back so I think that took away from the scene a bit but all in all I was happy with how it went.

Exactly this for me, I was just hyped for Tormund to get his pyre going so we could get to a fiery resurrection scene. But oh well.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 01:38:04 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?

In the book, he wargs into Ghost at the end, or at least that's the conclusion one could come to.

I think Jon's resurrection might have seemed disappointing because we were expecting it, but not so soon, or maybe it's because everybody was out of the room when it happened so there was no emotion from others yet. Don't get me wrong. I love that he is back, but it seemed so nonchalant and anticlimactic.

Agreed and given Ghost's reaction last night, it is possible he did warg into ghost in the show and could only warg back into his body once life was given to it.

but it'd seem like there would have been more emphasis on the fact that he was 'in' ghost. Other than Ghost howling after he died and trying to get out of his pen and then snarling to defend his body....there was no real "sign" that Jon had warged into Ghost. I'm doubting that he warged into him (on the show)...i think it was/is as simple as he was resurrected...just curious to see how being dead for a bit affects his demeanor, personality, actions??

Well, it's just a thought based on a mixture of the book material and what we saw. I think you are likely correct, but given what we saw, it is still open to be possible.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 01:50:07 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 02, 2016, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Outcrier on May 02, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
So, Jon Snow is still dead in the books?

In the book, he wargs into Ghost at the end, or at least that's the conclusion one could come to.

I think Jon's resurrection might have seemed disappointing because we were expecting it, but not so soon, or maybe it's because everybody was out of the room when it happened so there was no emotion from others yet. Don't get me wrong. I love that he is back, but it seemed so nonchalant and anticlimactic.

Agreed and given Ghost's reaction last night, it is possible he did warg into ghost in the show and could only warg back into his body once life was given to it.

but it'd seem like there would have been more emphasis on the fact that he was 'in' ghost. Other than Ghost howling after he died and trying to get out of his pen and then snarling to defend his body....there was no real "sign" that Jon had warged into Ghost. I'm doubting that he warged into him (on the show)...i think it was/is as simple as he was resurrected...just curious to see how being dead for a bit affects his demeanor, personality, actions??

Well, it's just a thought based on a mixture of the book material and what we saw. I think you are likely correct, but given what we saw, it is still open to be possible.

absolutely..you're right. I don't read the books but wasn't Jon Snow's last words in the last book as he was dying "Ghost"? It's not out of the realm of possibility by any means. I would have thought though that 'if' they had taken this direction that there'd have been at least some sort of more detailed attention paid to Ghost than there had been up to the point of his resurrection. Unless they are just leaving the audience as clueless as the characters on the show were.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 02, 2016, 01:52:16 PM: For me, the biggest clue that he wargs into Ghost is the A Dance With Dragons prologue. That seemed to exist for the reason to set something else up. To explain how warging can work when you die.

The biggest clue against it now is that it doesn't seem like he did. But maybe. Maybe he was so inexperienced that he didn't know he was in Ghost, he just thought he was a wolf for a day. Didn't Bran act like a wolf completely when he wargs in the beginning, when he didn't know that he was warging?
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Post by: ariich on May 02, 2016, 01:57:48 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 02, 2016, 01:25:46 PM
For a short nervous moment I thought he was walking into the end of Quentyn's storyline :lol
I briefly thought the same thing. :lol But I quickly decided that they wouldn't kill off Tyrion like that.

Quote from: BlackInk on May 02, 2016, 01:52:16 PM
For me, the biggest clue that he wargs into Ghost is the A Dance With Dragons prologue. That seemed to exist for the reason to set something else up. To explain how warging can work when you die.

The biggest clue against it now is that it doesn't seem like he did. But maybe. Maybe he was so inexperienced that he didn't know he was in Ghost, he just thought he was a wolf for a day. Didn't Bran act like a wolf completely when he wargs in the beginning, when he didn't know that he was warging?
It's possible they're going down that route, but then warging in the show is generally less prominent than in the books (e.g. we've seen no hint of it from Arya) so they might just ignore it entirely.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 02:04:28 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 01:50:07 PM
absolutely..you're right. I don't read the books but wasn't Jon Snow's last words in the last book as he was dying "Ghost"? It's not out of the realm of possibility by any means. I would have thought though that 'if' they had taken this direction that there'd have been at least some sort of more detailed attention paid to Ghost than there had been up to the point of his resurrection. Unless they are just leaving the audience as clueless as the characters on the show were.

Im not at all arguing with you here, just bringing up another point. Ghost had a lot of air time the last two episodes compared to how much time we have seen of him in the rest of the show. In general the CGI for the direwolves is expensive so that's why they aren't featured nearly as much as they should. But just showing Ghost in these scenes and his reactions has been more than normal. Granted, the show runners have a knack for teasing the book readers and I honestly think this is likely one of those teases since as ariich noted, warging in general is not as prominent in the show. The books actually make it seem like all of the Starks may be able to warg. In the show, it is clearly only Bran (and Bran is way more powerful as well since he can warg a human).
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2016, 03:05:06 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
Quote from: Evermind on May 02, 2016, 11:33:05 AM
I agree Jon's resurrection was somewhat lame.

I still think (if the popular theory is true and he's half Targaryn) that it'd have been neat to have him not burn in a burial fire and resurrect as the fire burned. But, oh well...it is what it is.

Targaryens do burn, as the very very very old maester who was at the Wall did.

Dany coming unscathed out of Drogo's pyre was a miracle, George R.R. Martin explicitly said so using that very word, "miracle". It was a once in a lifetime event, Dany herself would burn again if lit aflame.

About the episode... yay, he's back! we waited a long time for him but finally he's back... welcome back, Hodor! ;D

Am I the only one, and I can't believe I'm typing this, who's sad at Roose Bolton's dead? Robb's killer, this cold blooded calculating soft spoken bastard reduced to a pawn in Ramsay's scheme? I know that Game of Thrones isn't exactly the kind of story when good guys are avenged with a satisfying vengeance and a witty one liner to top it up, but it's so unsatisfying that Roose Bolton dies the same way as someone else in the next scene - betrayed by his own kin. Joffrey's death was satisfying, even if it was not a direct revenge, this one feels so random. I bet in the books he wouldn't have died that way.

I guess Ramsay will be made the centerpiece of the storyline, he will go down in the battle against Jon Snow and so Roose wasn't "needed" anymore... but what an unsatisfying demise fot that interesting bastard.

And I want a comedy spinoff of Tyrion and Varys, hehe! loved his scene with the dragon, and yeah, the Bran stuff was golden.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 03:09:16 PM: Agreed about Targaryens burning, I had thought it had to do with "the blood of the dragon" and not all Targaryens actually have it. Such as Viserion who claimed it constantly, yet his head melted from his crown for a king :lol but in the show Dany is shown in the first episode that the boiling water didn't effect her or when she touched the eggs after they were heated.

Also, I was upset with Roose's death just because he was a character who had been around for a long time and I thought we would see more of a Roose vs. Ramsay feud, but that clearly didn't last very long.
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Post by: ariich on May 02, 2016, 03:10:41 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 02, 2016, 03:05:06 PM
Am I the only one...
No you're not:

Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2016, 03:32:52 AM
Ramsay is just horrible whereas Roose was a really interesting character so it's kinda lame that he's gone. Unless, of course, the theory that he's immortal is right and he somehow comes back. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 02, 2016, 03:51:27 PM: The lame thing, to me, about Roose's death was that Roose "Tywin-lite" Bolton was totally not expecting Ramsay to try to kill him right then and there? :/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 03:56:44 PM: Quote from: Dimitrius on May 02, 2016, 03:51:27 PM
The lame thing, to me, about Roose's death was that Roose "Tywin-lite" Bolton was totally not expecting Ramsay to try to kill him right then and there? :/

Yeah...I mean, he'd have to know that having a 'natural' heir was not going to sit well with Ramsay? For all his planning and well thought out escapades he couldn't see that his rabid mutt bastard son was a loose cannon and would totally do that? Seemed like a silly way for him to die..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 02, 2016, 04:09:09 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 03:56:44 PM
rabid mutt bastard son

I love this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 04:10:19 PM: I thought it was very fitting personally of what Ramsay did, and Roose was the kind of person who looked like he had Ramsay in check all the time. All said and done it was a great scene and it made Ramsay that more menacing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on May 02, 2016, 04:18:44 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: Dimitrius on May 02, 2016, 03:51:27 PM
The lame thing, to me, about Roose's death was that Roose "Tywin-lite" Bolton was totally not expecting Ramsay to try to kill him right then and there? :/

Yeah...I mean, he'd have to know that having a 'natural' heir was not going to sit well with Ramsay? For all his planning and well thought out escapades he couldn't see that his rabid mutt bastard son was a loose cannon and would totally do that? Seemed like a silly way for him to die..
Even more so after he made that remark to Ramsay last week about "let's hope Walda is having a boy".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 04:33:56 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 02, 2016, 04:10:19 PM
I thought it was very fitting personally of what Ramsay did, and Roose was the kind of person who looked like he had Ramsay in check all the time. All said and done it was a great scene and it made Ramsay that more menacing.

True...Roose probably was overconfident in his stature and standing, and control over Ramsay and probably didn't think he had anything to worry about....that he could always hold being the 'true' heir over his head not thinking Ramsay would ever conspire against him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 02, 2016, 05:07:52 PM: Even though I agree it was a bit cheesy and expected I giggled of joyed like a schoolgirl man. Such a tease that ended in climax! :hat
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 05:46:55 PM: Won't lie, when Roose first was stabbed, I wasn't totally sure who stabbed who thinking it was more likely Ramsay doing the stabbing (although Roose had a motive to kill him too when you think about it) but also the angle they showed made it difficult to determine immediately.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2016, 05:51:16 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Won't lie, when Roose first first stab, I wasn't totally sure who stabbed who thinking it was more likely Ramsay doing the stabbing (although Roose had a motive to kill him too when you think about it) but also the angle they showed made it difficult to determine immediately.

I honestly was expecting Roose to stab Ramsay even before it happened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 01:29:35 AM: I can't for the life of me understand why they let Thorne and Olly go, I thought they would have executed them right away or imprisoned them..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 03, 2016, 03:52:18 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 01:29:35 AM
I can't for the life of me understand why they let Thorne and Olly go, I thought they would have executed them right away or imprisoned them..
Er, they did imprison them.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 03, 2016, 05:05:33 AM: I don't care if they feel imprisonment is the right thing to do, you execute them on the spot no questions asked. Especially Olly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2016, 05:49:29 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Won't lie, when Roose first was stabbed, I wasn't totally sure who stabbed who thinking it was more likely Ramsay doing the stabbing (although Roose had a motive to kill him too when you think about it) but also the angle they showed made it difficult to determine immediately.

I think it could have went either way. Eventually Ramsay was going to do something that really pissed off Roose. It's obvious they didn't agree on a lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 03, 2016, 06:46:06 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 03, 2016, 03:52:18 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 01:29:35 AM
I can't for the life of me understand why they let Thorne and Olly go, I thought they would have executed them right away or imprisoned them..
Er, they did imprison them.
I feel though that the only reason the writers didn't choose to execute them was to saved them for Jon to deal with, sounds more fun although the characters couldn't know that of course.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2016, 06:58:27 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 03, 2016, 06:46:06 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 03, 2016, 03:52:18 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 01:29:35 AM
I can't for the life of me understand why they let Thorne and Olly go, I thought they would have executed them right away or imprisoned them..
Er, they did imprison them.
I feel though that the only reason the writers didn't choose to execute them was to saved them for Jon to deal with, sounds more fun although the characters couldn't know that of course.

I can't wait to see their faces when they see Jon. :xbones
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 07:01:43 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 03, 2016, 06:46:06 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 03, 2016, 03:52:18 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 01:29:35 AM
I can't for the life of me understand why they let Thorne and Olly go, I thought they would have executed them right away or imprisoned them..
Er, they did imprison them.
I feel though that the only reason the writers didn't choose to execute them was to saved them for Jon to deal with, sounds more fun although the characters couldn't know that of course.

While Jon is capable of executing, from his meeting with Mance and Stannis, he would choose to listen first. I don't think it's totally odd for the wildlings under respect for Jon to hold them before an immediate execution. It also adds dramatic effect for the story, I am curious to see how Jon reacts to them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 03, 2016, 07:04:41 AM: Roose's death was pretty abrupt. You can't say it came out of no where since, let's face it, it's been obvious in both show and books for a long time that Ramsay offing Roose at some point was a highly likely possibility. But it did feel a tad on the rushed side for it to happen so suddenly. I thought Roose would probably die at some point in the middle of this season (Ramsay himself will be taken down at the end of it), and during their conversation I wondered if it might happen this episode... but did not think it could happen right there and then until it happened (or actually just before it when I realised it could be similar to Roose stabbing Robb Stark).

I was also tempted to think "Wow, Roose just let Ramsay get close enough to stab him and there were no guards around, really? Guess we just have to accept it is that simple since the plot required Roose to die"... but thinking about it, there have been multiple scenes of Roose and Ramsay talking alone or essentially alone, no different to this one. If Ramsay had went after Roose in one of those moments it would have just come down to who got the better of who physically. So if Ramsay surprises Roose with a knife at dinner then it's been fairly well established that he could kill him just that simply. As for the witnesses, I assume Ramsay may have worked out an understanding with the new Lord Karstark, and you can see the fact he is just so bold about it helps intimidate the maester into just accepting it. And for the rest of the Bolton men at Winterfell, I think it's been established well enough that Ramsay is scary enough and perhaps even has enough loyalty (having led the Bolton army etc.) that they'll follow him after Roose's death and won't question him too much on it.

Then there's the question of whether Roose shouldn't have seen it coming and been a bit more careful than usual at this particular moment, since his new son had just been born. Perhaps, but actually I think the show established very well why he didn't, in the scene in Season 5 where Roose tells Ramsay about his birth. He said he was going to throw him in the river as a baby, "But then I looked at you and I saw then what I see now. You are my son." Not exactly much of a soft spot - not killing your own son - but I think that is basically the limit of the great pragmatist Roose Bolton's sentimentality, and it was ultimately his weakness because I think that attitude lasted until the end. He wouldn't kill his son when he was an inconvenient bastard baby, he wouldn't kill him when he was a psychopathic teen torturing people in the basement of the Dreadfort, he wouldn't kill him when his reputation was a liability to his own hold on the North, and he wouldn't kill him even when he was a threat to his new family and even himself.

There's a quite interesting part in the books only, where Roose tells Reek/Theon pretty matter-of-factly that he expects Ramsay will probably kill his new future son, and he doesn't really seem to care. He even talks quite unemotionally about the fact he expects to be dead soon too, so maybe he suspects Ramsay might kill him too. That's not in the show, but I think it still holds true to an extent. He obviously wants to instruct Ramsay to be a better heir and ruler, telling him not to be the "mad dog", and he used his position of the one person with authority over Ramsay to put him in his place on occasion (including with the threat of a new trueborn Bolton). He surely would have wanted Ramsay not to kill him (not just since, you know, he'd be dead, but since it would be a poor move strategically for House Bolton), but I think he basically knew his position - he wasn't going to kill Ramsay, so it was basically up to whether Ramsay listened to his advice and learned, or whether Ramsay stopped listening to him and turned on him. That was the one vulnerability he left himself open to, so obviously that's exactly what got him killed.

Apologies for the long post (once again), but with everything else going on in the show it still feels worthwhile to devote a bit of discussion to the exit of a great character (and actor) from the show.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 07:23:06 AM: Nice write up RuRo, the dynamic between the two is/was very interesting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 10:18:57 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 03, 2016, 03:52:18 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 01:29:35 AM
I can't for the life of me understand why they let Thorne and Olly go, I thought they would have executed them right away or imprisoned them..
Er, they did imprison them.

I thought the guy said something like "take them to the south where they belong" so I thought they're just throwing them out south of the wall, expelling them from the Watch.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 03, 2016, 10:27:49 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 03, 2016, 03:52:18 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 01:29:35 AM
I can't for the life of me understand why they let Thorne and Olly go, I thought they would have executed them right away or imprisoned them..
Er, they did imprison them.

I thought the guy said something like "take them to the south where they belong" so I thought they're just throwing them out south of the wall, expelling them from the Watch.

He says to put them in the cells where they belong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 10:33:45 AM: Whoops! My bad.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2016, 10:43:23 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:28:36 PM
And Evermind, it's not a total spoiler but the books did not in any way that I know, confirm who killed Balon. Euron arrives shortly after his death so it always seemed likely he was involved and the faceless man theory was just that, a theory, as far as I knew (and a way to explain how he died without Euron directly being there). Feel free to prove me wrong though.

I don't have any quotes or proofs at hand, so of course you're free to disagree with my reasonings here. Anyway, my opinion on this is, well, GRRM is known as a subtle writer, and he surely loves not to spell some events outright but only leave some subtle hints for how the events might've played out. I'm quite sure this particular event (how exactly did Balon die) will never be resolved in the books, and I've found all the textual proofs the Faceless-Man-hired-by-Euron theory presented to be more than plausible and very convincing, so having nothing better than that, it's my official version of how Balon died. As I said, as far as I'm concerned, this is pretty much a confirmed fact for me.

And also it wasn't a book spoiler for me since I don't believe this is how it went in the books (this standoff was kind of dramatic-on-a-heavily-cheesy-side, anyway), and even if it was, it wasn't that huge of a spoiler (I'm looking at you D&D, confirming that Stannis indeed burns Shireen in the books right in Behind the Scenes episode), because I didn't really care how Balon died anyway. The implications were obvious.

Something struck me when I was writing that Shireen-burning part though... does Davos not know about Stannis and Selyse and Shireen and how they died? (especially that Mel was directly behind the Shireen burning) I mean, he asks Mel to resurrect Jon, whom he wasn't very loyal to in the first place, but I don't remember him ever asking Mel about the fate of the man he was most loyal to. Or about the girl he was so attached to. It seems he kind of moved on, which is a bit weird reaction I guess.

And if he doesn't know indeed and will find out in the future episodes... well I guess the shitstorm is incoming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 11:04:36 AM: Evermind I think he knows everything except how Shireen died. He doesn't ask Melisandre to resurrect Stannis cause he knows they would need his dead body to do so.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2016, 11:13:35 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 11:04:36 AM
Evermind I think he knows everything except how Shireen died. He doesn't ask Melisandre to resurrect Stannis cause he knows they would need his dead body to do so.

I don't remember the Shireen-burning-episode well, but from what I remember the way Stannis sent Davos away I think it was kind of obvious to him what was about to happen. Might be wrong on that count though.

And well, Stannis would've had an upper hand if the men from his army didn't desert - which they did because of that Shireen event. So either they explained to Davos how Stannis - who is one of the best military commanders in Westeros - managed to lose a battle in the open field while outnumbering his enemy for good; or they should've explained to Davos why the men deserted (bought by Boltons? Tired of trudging in the snow?), leaving Stannis in such a precarious position. And even then (taking into the account the fact they had no horses except one Mel rode), he could've sent Shireen with Mel back to the wall then, couldn't he?

Reflecting on the last two episodes, I just found it weird Davos didn't try to find out the details about what has happened with the people who he was so loyal to, but instead rushed to defend Jon's body almost instantly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 11:18:48 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 03, 2016, 11:13:35 AM
Reflecting on the last two episodes, I just found it weird Davos didn't try to find out the details about what has happened with the people who he was so loyal to, but instead rushed to defend Jon's body almost instantly.

I think he just had a lot on his mind regarding Jon Snow and being locked in a room where he didn't see a whole lot of ways to survive. I hope this comes up though because we all know Davos would be very upset to know the truth of what happened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2016, 11:21:01 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: Evermind on May 03, 2016, 11:13:35 AM
Reflecting on the last two episodes, I just found it weird Davos didn't try to find out the details about what has happened with the people who he was so loyal to, but instead rushed to defend Jon's body almost instantly.

I think he just had a lot on his mind regarding Jon Snow and being locked in a room where he didn't see a whole lot of ways to survive. I hope this comes up though because we all know Davos would be very upset to know the truth of what happened.

Yeah, I think that's what happened too. I too hope they address this point. I kind of fear what Davos will do if he learns the truth about Shireen's death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 03, 2016, 11:49:37 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 03, 2016, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:28:36 PM
And Evermind, it's not a total spoiler but the books did not in any way that I know, confirm who killed Balon. Euron arrives shortly after his death so it always seemed likely he was involved and the faceless man theory was just that, a theory, as far as I knew (and a way to explain how he died without Euron directly being there). Feel free to prove me wrong though.

I don't have any quotes or proofs at hand, so of course you're free to disagree with my reasonings here. Anyway, my opinion on this is, well, GRRM is known as a subtle writer, and he surely loves not to spell some events outright but only leave some subtle hints for how the events might've played out. I'm quite sure this particular event (how exactly did Balon die) will never be resolved in the books, and I've found all the textual proofs the Faceless-Man-hired-by-Euron theory presented to be more than plausible and very convincing, so having nothing better than that, it's my official version of how Balon died. As I said, as far as I'm concerned, this is pretty much a confirmed fact for me.

"I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings."
From the Ghost of High Heart, who saw visions that linked to several other events such as Renly and Joffrey's deaths.

For anyone curious that's what I would say is the crucial piece of evidence from the book that both implicates Euron in Balon's death (Euron is known as Crow's Eye and associated with crows), and suggests the Faceless Man connection. It's very plausible Euron would have been able to hire a Faceless Man and it makes sense as a way he could have killed Balon and then arrived at Pyke the next day. The only other semi-plausible theory I've seen is that he did it by literally controlling the winds to blow away the bridge (there are suggetsions Euron could have the capability to do this), but the Faceless Man theory is the most well accepted one. It is not "confirmed" in the books, it's a very convincing theory with solid evidence and it is probably the best explanation we will get for Balon's death in the books, but imo it's misleading to tell people it's confirmed in the books when it is just solid theorising (even if it is probably true).

Davos' current knowledge status I think is that he knows Shireen is dead (but doesn't know exactly how), and even though Melisandre actually left before Stannis lost his battle and died I assume he must know / guess that Stannis lost the battle and is dead (though again, I don't think anyone knows exactly how Stannis died). I do hope they address the fact that Davos has still to find out and react to the fact that Melisandre killed Shireen. That is one of the things I think is missing from the show (and has been since at least Season 4) - more chances just to spend time with the characters and see how they react to all the events unfolding. Well, it is missing in the storylines where there's a lot going on - we always get a chance to see someone like Tyrion just hanging around when not much is going on for him. One of the drawbacks of having so many storylines and little screentime.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2016, 12:00:37 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 03, 2016, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: Evermind on May 03, 2016, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2016, 12:28:36 PM
And Evermind, it's not a total spoiler but the books did not in any way that I know, confirm who killed Balon. Euron arrives shortly after his death so it always seemed likely he was involved and the faceless man theory was just that, a theory, as far as I knew (and a way to explain how he died without Euron directly being there). Feel free to prove me wrong though.

I don't have any quotes or proofs at hand, so of course you're free to disagree with my reasonings here. Anyway, my opinion on this is, well, GRRM is known as a subtle writer, and he surely loves not to spell some events outright but only leave some subtle hints for how the events might've played out. I'm quite sure this particular event (how exactly did Balon die) will never be resolved in the books, and I've found all the textual proofs the Faceless-Man-hired-by-Euron theory presented to be more than plausible and very convincing, so having nothing better than that, it's my official version of how Balon died. As I said, as far as I'm concerned, this is pretty much a confirmed fact for me.

"I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings."
From the Ghost of High Heart, who saw visions that linked to several other events such as Renly and Joffrey's deaths.

For anyone curious that's what I would say is the crucial piece of evidence from the book that both implicates Euron in Balon's death (Euron is known as Crow's Eye and associated with crows), and suggests the Faceless Man connection. It's very plausible Euron would have been able to hire a Faceless Man and it makes sense as a way he could have killed Balon and then arrived at Pyke the next day. The only other semi-plausible theory I've seen is that he did it by literally controlling the winds to blow away the bridge (there are suggetsions Euron could have the capability to do this), but the Faceless Man theory is the most well accepted one. It is not "confirmed" in the books, it's a very convincing theory with solid evidence and it is probably the best explanation we will get for Balon's death in the books, but imo it's misleading to tell people it's confirmed in the books when it is just solid theorising (even if it is probably true).

Yeah, I meant my original message to say "it's confirmed in the books as far as I'm concerned". Sorry if I phrased it the wrong way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 12:03:04 PM: Doesn't the title "Ser" mean someone is a knight? If so then why did Ser Davis say he's never been much of a fighter when he was stuck with the watchmen in that room?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 12:06:24 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 12:03:04 PM
Doesn't the title "Ser" mean someone is a knight? If so then why did Ser Davis say he's never been much of a fighter when he was stuck with the watchmen in that room?

He was knighted by Stannis, he was a smuggler not a fighter.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 03, 2016, 12:10:47 PM: Yeah, people can be made knights for various reasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 12:22:31 PM: For reference on Davos and his knighthood:
Quote
During Robert's Rebellion, almost a year into the siege of Storm's End, Davos took it upon himself to run the Redwyne blockade to smuggle onions and other foodstuffs into the castle. The food allowed Stannis Baratheon's men to hold on until Eddard Stark arrived to break the siege. As a reward for his service, Stannis knighted him, giving him choice lands on Cape Wrath and allowing him to choose Seaworth as the name of his new house. However, Davos lost the first joint from each finger of his left hand, as payment for his past crimes. Davos found the ruling just, and agreed to the terms if Stannis would swing the blade himself.[4] He kept the bones of his joints in a pouch around his neck because he believed they were lucky, having bought a future for his family.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Davos_Seaworth (https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Davos_Seaworth)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2016, 12:35:14 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 12:06:24 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 03, 2016, 12:03:04 PM
Doesn't the title "Ser" mean someone is a knight? If so then why did Ser Davis say he's never been much of a fighter when he was stuck with the watchmen in that room?

He was knighted by Stannis, he was a smuggler not a fighter.

Why can't I stop reading that as, "he's a lover not a fighter."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 02:48:31 PM: Found this article, thought it was really interesting... so if Tommen were to die, and I think we all can agree that he likely will die given the prophecy, who is next in line to be king?

https://mashable.com/2016/05/03/game-thrones-heir/#u2v2nEZAQuqf (https://mashable.com/2016/05/03/game-thrones-heir/#u2v2nEZAQuqf)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 03, 2016, 03:12:01 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 02:48:31 PM
Found this article, thought it was really interesting... so if Tommen were to die, and I think we all can agree that he likely will die given the prophecy, who is next in line to be king?

https://mashable.com/2016/05/03/game-thrones-heir/#u2v2nEZAQuqf (https://mashable.com/2016/05/03/game-thrones-heir/#u2v2nEZAQuqf)
Well realistically we know that legal claims are nice to have but that the winner will be whoever has the position and force to back up their claim.

But going by trying to work out thr official" heir should be there's a bit of a dilemma - Robert Baratheon's family (on paper) would obviously be extinguished, so you go back up the family tree to find another line. However (and I don't know much about it so can't be sure) I recall reading someone post about this subject recently and apparently there aren't really any examples in history of a conquering dynasty going extinct so quickly that you would need to go back in their family tree to before they were royal to find an heir. So even if someone was the Baratheon heir, its questionable whether that would make them the heir to the Iron Throne since the throne only belonged to the Baratheon's since Robert, so the Baratheon heir (if their claim went back several generations) would have a claim only through a family line that was never royal.

The alternative would obviously to be to go back to the family that held the throne before Robert which would obviously just make Danaerys the heir, but if they were attainted then that doesn't really make her the official heir.

By Westeros law and traditions, if Tommen died and there was to be a smooth and legally transition (rather than war), most likely there would be a Great Council and the lords of Westeros would try to come to a collective decision as to who should be king, as happened a couple of times in Targaryen history when there was no clear heir or competing claims.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2016, 03:17:04 PM: Well that article goes through the lineage up the Baratheon line and the results are... Cersei, but not because she is the mother, through a roundabout way where many generations ago a Baratheon and Lannister married and the last remaining from that lineage is Tywin's children... and given their current scenarios, only Cersei could be the heir. Just interesting to think about since as we all know, if Tommen were to die, there is more likely to be another 5 kings type of war than a peaceful handover to the legal heir.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 04, 2016, 12:22:41 PM: Interesting article! It shows how, in the end, the idea of a king to rule an entire nation is pointless. Someone is the most important person in the country because he's born my someone who's born by someone who's born by someone who killed an important dude in an important battle or whatever.
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Post by: Evermind on May 04, 2016, 12:26:26 PM: Just for hoots and giggles... what if Cersei suddenly commits suicide at this point? (I know she won't, but let's assume that for a moment.) Will Tommen live in that case and what would that mean to the prophecy?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 12:46:28 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 04, 2016, 12:26:26 PM
Just for hoots and giggles... what if Cersei suddenly commits suicide at this point? (I know she won't, but let's assume that for a moment.) Will Tommen live in that case and what would that mean to the prophecy?

That it was false? I'm not sure where you are going with this or if maybe the world course corrects itself and while she is hanging herself the ceiling breaks and she doesn't get hung.
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Post by: Evermind on May 04, 2016, 12:56:42 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 12:46:28 PM
Quote from: Evermind on May 04, 2016, 12:26:26 PM
Just for hoots and giggles... what if Cersei suddenly commits suicide at this point? (I know she won't, but let's assume that for a moment.) Will Tommen live in that case and what would that mean to the prophecy?

That it was false? I'm not sure where you are going with this or if maybe the world course corrects itself and while she is hanging herself the ceiling breaks and she doesn't get hung.

I'm just providing some fun (for me) matters for discussion.

So well, if it was false, then was it false all along and Tommen won't die regardless of Cersei's actions? Or was it true until the exact moment of Cersei's suicide, and after that the prophecy becomes false? And would Joff and Myrcella die if Cersei committed suicide / died before they met their untimely end?

And if she's obsessed with the prophecy and she wants to save his son so much, to let him live, did it never occur to her that this could be the way? Because this seems the most obvious way to wriggle out of the prophecy for me.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 01:17:56 PM: But then how would she protect her children?! Round and round we go :lol I guess at least before Myrcella's death she could always claim that it likely was a false prophecy, but now, it's getting harder to deny.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 01:25:24 PM: Does anyone else think this week's episode title, Oathbreaker, is about Jon Snow?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 01:30:22 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 01:25:24 PM
Does anyone else think this week's episode title, Oathbreaker, is about Jon Snow?

Well I think we for sure are going to get a good amount of Jon Snow, but he wouldn't exactly be an oathbreaker right?

That is also the name of the sword of Brienne so could mean something for her.

Possible show spoiler:
I'm reading things online that are saying we may get the Tower of Joy scene as soon as next episode :omg: and I do wish I did not read that, but I don't know if it's a rumor or a leak
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 04, 2016, 01:31:41 PM: Wasn't Oathbreaker a sword or something? or one of Jaimie's nicknames?

Jon Snow pledged allegiance to the Night's Watch until his death. He died. He's no longer bound to the Night's Watch. I believe by the end of the season he will fight Ramsay and retake Winterfell, and happy ending ruined by the inevitable advance of the White Walkers.

Also, what's up with Jon being the 998th Lord Commander? I always imagined that the 999th would have been Alister THorne or anyone with "White Walkers will hand my ass to me" written on his forehead, with the 1000th Lor Commander being the one that will emerge at the end of the story and will be the one in charge when the story ends.
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Post by: Evermind on May 04, 2016, 01:34:35 PM: Cram, it's not a rumor and neither it's a leak. It was in Episode 3 preview.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 01:41:32 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 04, 2016, 01:34:35 PM
Cram, it's not a rumor and neither it's a leak. It was in Episode 3 preview.

Really? I missed it then, damn, so we are in for a treat then!
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 01:43:23 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 01:25:24 PM
Does anyone else think this week's episode title, Oathbreaker, is about Jon Snow?

Well I think we for sure are going to get a good amount of Jon Snow, but he wouldn't exactly be an oathbreaker right?

That is also the name of the sword of Brienne so could mean something for her.

Possible show spoiler:
I'm reading things online that are saying we may get the Tower of Joy scene as soon as next episode :omg: and I do wish I did not read that, but I don't know if it's a rumor or a leak

Brienne's sword was Oathkeeper.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 01:46:37 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 01:25:24 PM
Does anyone else think this week's episode title, Oathbreaker, is about Jon Snow?

Well I think we for sure are going to get a good amount of Jon Snow, but he wouldn't exactly be an oathbreaker right?

That is also the name of the sword of Brienne so could mean something for her.

Possible show spoiler:
I'm reading things online that are saying we may get the Tower of Joy scene as soon as next episode :omg: and I do wish I did not read that, but I don't know if it's a rumor or a leak

Brienne's sword was Oathkeeper.

:lol so close and yet so wrong
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 02:02:51 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 04, 2016, 01:25:24 PM
Does anyone else think this week's episode title, Oathbreaker, is about Jon Snow?

Well I think we for sure are going to get a good amount of Jon Snow, but he wouldn't exactly be an oathbreaker right?

That is also the name of the sword of Brienne so could mean something for her.

Possible show spoiler:
I'm reading things online that are saying we may get the Tower of Joy scene as soon as next episode :omg: and I do wish I did not read that, but I don't know if it's a rumor or a leak

Brienne's sword was Oathkeeper.

:lol so close and yet so wrong

:lol

Unless the episode title is a reference to Brienne breaking her oath that she made with Jaime or Catelyn. To me, it's either that or in reference to Jon Snow.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 02:59:36 PM: https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Game-Thrones-Hodor-Theory-41191051 (https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Game-Thrones-Hodor-Theory-41191051)

And an interesting Hodor theory.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 04, 2016, 03:06:06 PM: For all the crazy theories that spring up around the web, this could actually make sense.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 04, 2016, 04:29:52 PM: Some theories about how Hodor ended up as "Hodor" I recall:

- It is somehow related to the Others (White Walkers), e.g. he somehow came to understand the nature of the Great Other and it drove him insane (basically based on the fact "Hodor" sounds like "Other", kind of?)... not too convincing.
- He came across something or had a traumatic incident in the Winter fell crypts which drove him insane (there's vague hints about the significance of the crypts and a lot of theories ranging from sensible to wild about important things that might be in there, and Hodor reacts strongly to them in the books I think).

- And by far the best imo, Bran at some point tries to influence the past by warging into a young Hodor / Wylis / Walder as he has done in the present, and by invading his mind ends up damaging him and turning him into "Hodor".

I don't get how Hodor would be protecting Lyanna at the Tower of Joy (Book spoilers - the "attackers" at the ToJ are Lyanna's brother the Lord of Winterfell and some loyal northmen, the "defenders" are Kingsguard and... a random Winterfell stableboy? Absolutely zero sense). It's at least vaguley plausible that he could have been present when she was kidnapped / left with Rhaegar but I don't really get why that would be the case.

The fact that "The Door" is the name of an episode might link to "Hodor" though. I have no real idea what that title could be. But then who would have guessed that the episode title "The Gift" primarily referred to Tyrion "I am the gift" Lannister?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 05:27:14 PM: Your theories are others I had heard before the one I linked to today.

One of your theories is derived from this

Quote
The God of Winter in Norwegian is Höðr (also spelled Hod, Hoder and Hodur). It is pronounced in a very similar way to “Hodor.” Perhaps this is what Hodor means. Perhaps he saw the God of Winter and is trying to warn everyone that winter is coming? As Nairn mentions in the interview, George R.R. Martin is very partial to using Norse mythology is his storytelling, so this seems like a very good assumption to make.

https://www.inquisitr.com/2334395/game-of-thrones-what-does-hodor-really-mean-anyway/ (https://www.inquisitr.com/2334395/game-of-thrones-what-does-hodor-really-mean-anyway/)
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 05, 2016, 01:20:32 AM: Anyway, I just realized that Bran binge-watching on Westerflix the past is very likely the way we'll see, if it's indeed true, the R+L=J theory come to life and see what happened at the Tower of Joy through his eyes.

It would only make sense, those who were there are all dead and the survivors weren't introduced in the TV show, you can't have a random character pop up out of nowhere and go How I Met your Mother on Jon Snow.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 07:17:59 AM: You know, when we find out the truth about Jon Snow's lineage, it makes me wonder how much his treatment from Catelyn would have changed. Would she have been pissed at Ned for keeping it a secret?

I like some of the theories for Hodor's aphasia. I don't think it's from Bran warging into him, though. As far as I remember, somewhere in the first book there was a sentence which alluded to the fact that Hodor has been like that for quite some time, which means it wouldn't have happened because of Bran. He's far too young.

I just read this theory about Hodor which I also liked. https://www.yahoo.com/news/game-of-thrones-is-this-what-really-happened-to-140922109.html
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Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2016, 07:47:56 AM: Interesting but from what we have seen, whenever soemone wargs, their own bodies become more useless than Hodor so I can't see how his conscience warged into a horse yet his body can still be active.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 08:24:25 AM: You mean if the horse was slain, how did Hodor get back into his own body?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2016, 08:45:53 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 08:24:25 AM
You mean if the horse was slain, how did Hodor get back into his own body?

More than just that, I forget what happens if your warged body dies while you are consciously in it, but I mean also that if he warged into something, the body of Hodor shouldn't be able to still have life per say (move, talk, function for the most part).
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 08:57:01 AM: This is the post I have been forever trying to find again, regarding the ending to the series. George RR Martin had mentioned that he read one or two fan theories which actually nailed it on the head. He said with all of the hints he's placed in the books, and some speculation, one should be able to piece together the ending. This post is believed to be the one GRRM said was the one that nailed it. Needless to say, SPOILERS lie ahead.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 05, 2016, 11:03:45 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 08:57:01 AM
This is the post I have been forever trying to find again, regarding the ending to the series. George RR Martin had mentioned that he read one or two fan theories which actually nailed it on the head. He said with all of the hints he's placed in the books, and some speculation, one should be able to piece together the ending. This post is believed to be the one GRRM said was the one that nailed it. Needless to say, SPOILERS lie ahead.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/
That's pretty incredible.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 12:07:41 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 05, 2016, 11:03:45 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 08:57:01 AM
This is the post I have been forever trying to find again, regarding the ending to the series. George RR Martin had mentioned that he read one or two fan theories which actually nailed it on the head. He said with all of the hints he's placed in the books, and some speculation, one should be able to piece together the ending. This post is believed to be the one GRRM said was the one that nailed it. Needless to say, SPOILERS lie ahead.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/
That's pretty incredible.

It's not an ending most people would assume. I could totally see Jon going to war against Daernerys. She tries to mean well but she has that madness in her blood. As much as I love dragons, those things will do more damage to the lands of the Seven Kingdoms than good. They're untamable but her children. Yes, she locked them up once before, but when it comes to war, she's going to let them them fly free.

Does she get this new Dothraki hoard to fight for her? She still needs an army and the Unsullied dwindle with each encounter they face. They're supposed to be this unsurmountable force, but the show makes they look like regular fighters.

There are a ton of unanswered questions that all have a part to play in the story to come.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2016, 12:21:16 PM: I've read this theory before about the pact between the others and men. It's plausible.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 05, 2016, 01:29:22 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 12:07:41 PM
Does she get this new Dothraki hoard to fight for her? She still needs an army and the Unsullied dwindle with each encounter they face. They're supposed to be this unsurmountable force, but the show makes they look like regular fighters.

I suppose that she is to be shipped to live out as a widow, and that's where her heroes Jorah and Daario come in and rescue her and bring her back to Mereen.

What's the point of the two searching for her only to meet her doing fine and well at the head of a Dothraki army?

And the stuff about the Others is what interests me most about the show now. I love how everyone in the Seven Kingdoms is busy bickering with each other and nobody gives a damn about what happens beyond the Wall while it should be their first concern. There's no Gandalf knowing that long gone menaces are not really gone, and subtly watching over everything, they're all busy fighting over a ugly chair made of melted swords to realize or care that the world as they know it may end.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 03:12:45 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 05, 2016, 01:29:22 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 12:07:41 PM
Does she get this new Dothraki hoard to fight for her? She still needs an army and the Unsullied dwindle with each encounter they face. They're supposed to be this unsurmountable force, but the show makes they look like regular fighters.

I suppose that she is to be shipped to live out as a widow, and that's where her heroes Jorah and Daario come in and rescue her and bring her back to Mereen.

What's the point of the two searching for her only to meet her doing fine and well at the head of a Dothraki army?

Because even when they do find her, they're still going to need an army.

Quote from: MirrorMask on May 05, 2016, 01:29:22 PM
And the stuff about the Others is what interests me most about the show now. I love how everyone in the Seven Kingdoms is busy bickering with each other and nobody gives a damn about what happens beyond the Wall while it should be their first concern. There's no Gandalf knowing that long gone menaces are not really gone, and subtly watching over everything, they're all busy fighting over a ugly chair made of melted swords to realize or care that the world as they know it may end.

Stannis, Davos, and Melisandre realized where the true battle is.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2016, 03:42:26 PM: Yea, more and more, people are slowly starting to get it, but it'll be more time before King's Landing gets it.

But also, I love how the Others are just slowly building up for us, the viewers, as well. From small scenes here and there to the massive battle last season... to back to nothing for the last few episodes going back to last season.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 05:03:44 PM: Isn't there supposed to be an even bigger battle scene involving The Others this season?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2016, 05:45:36 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 05, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
Isn't there supposed to be an even bigger battle scene involving The Others this season?

Not sure, but I think so too. I've avoided spoilers but I've seen some talk about that, that's why I was thinking they get to the wall this season.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 06, 2016, 01:34:39 PM: Title SPOILERS for episodes four and five.

https://watchersonthewall.com/hbo-confirms-titles-game-thrones-604-605-reveals-descriptions/#more-64114
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Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2016, 02:29:21 PM: Cool, doesn't really spoil much of anything.

I found an interesting theory regarding Tommen's immenent death and Robert Strong

https://mashable.com/2016/05/06/king-tommen-the-mountain-theory/#PbJbCqiLagq3 (https://mashable.com/2016/05/06/king-tommen-the-mountain-theory/#PbJbCqiLagq3)

Seems plausible, but like all theories we shall see.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 06, 2016, 04:30:16 PM: I wouldn't mind that. Tommen is a whiner. Even when he's yelling, you hear that whining.
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Post by: ariich on May 08, 2016, 08:18:55 AM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wPi5kiYNZk
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Post by: BlackInk on May 08, 2016, 09:04:22 AM: Funny, but the two girls just standing there explaining the joke all the time kind of ruins it.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 08, 2016, 07:54:18 PM: FUCK YES
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Post by: axeman90210 on May 08, 2016, 07:55:57 PM: Choke on that Olly, you little shit :metal
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 08, 2016, 07:59:02 PM: Die, fucker, die!
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Post by: faizoff on May 08, 2016, 09:14:03 PM: I can't believe how amazing every episode has been so far. Each episode has flown by with so much stuff happening. Unreal season so far.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 08, 2016, 09:23:56 PM: As I watch these episodes, I wonder how similar the books will be, and how much of the book is being left out.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 08, 2016, 10:31:01 PM: This is not a negative remark cause I love this season so far but also this is the fastest a GoT season has moved along story-wise ever, it's starting to feel like they're suddenly marching quickly towards the end, which makes it feel like a movie now for lack of a better comparison. But it feels too sudden and too different from the first four seasons, the fifth season now seems to have been made to serve entirely as a set up for the current one.
I miss the feel of the first four seasons a bit tbh, lots of stories and doors opening, a huge universe and a colossal web of characters and events, sometimes seemingly with nothing in common except for the fact that they all happen in the same world. Now it feels like everything is going towards the same thing, whatever that is, which is a natural way of preparing for a conclusion but it just feels a tad sudden, like there was no transition between how it was and how it is now except for the set up of season 5 and that really didn't feel like it was a sufficient transition, I dunno if I'm expressing that thought clearly.
Perhaps it feels that way because they're not following the books anymore, I haven't read them and I'm no book snob but it seems plausible a factor.
I also miss how in the first four seasons we spent each episode entirely in one place or with one character.
Oh well, it's still great.

Few things about the new episode:
- Cersei and Jamie are just plain and flat at this point, they're dangerous but not really interesting anymore. I hope they don't kill Kevan though, I like that guy.
- Arthur Dayne's sword fight scene was brilliantly choreographed. I always thought that eventually when the series is over HBO might do a movie or two about Robert Baratheon's Rebellion since it would of a great watch for GoT fans and now I'm wondering if they'll use this footage or recreate this scene again, or maybe just scrap it for being a sort of side story to the rebellion.
- Melisandre is no longer on Arya's list, not sure why.
- Why does Davos think Jon is important? I guess that's a question for the previous episode as well. I mean Jon obviously is important but what does Davos know?
- Rickon Stark, totally unexpected! Though we were bound to see him again sooner or later. I hope Ramsay doesn't give him the Theon treatment. He didn't look freaked out or even upset enough about his capture or the death of his wolf, but that could be the actor.
- Is Arya really gone? Cause she was honest enough about being no one to drink that water and not die, if she's truly a faceless assassin now then that's not really interesting, cause as far as I understand it means she doesn't carry inside her anything that made her Arya Stark except a set of memories, so no revenge and no longing to find family members, etc.
- Haha Olly.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 09, 2016, 02:40:50 AM: fuck yeah jon you're such a mad cunt.
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Post by: Evermind on May 09, 2016, 02:42:43 AM: Finally no more Olly reaction shots. :lol
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 09, 2016, 04:09:54 AM: this season has started off so well I'm worried it won't be able to stay this bangin.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 09, 2016, 05:11:15 AM: Never got the Olly hate. Sure he stabbed Jon Snow.... but he saw the Wildings murder his family and destroy his village. That sort of thing tends to stay with you, especially if you're young and naive.

In last year's finale, Jon "died" and Arya was blind. Two episodes later, Jon's back and three episodes later, Arya isn't blind any more. What's next, Bran's legs gonna get fix? Theon's peepee gonna grow back?
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 09, 2016, 05:24:46 AM: RIP Shaggydog
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 09, 2016, 05:39:18 AM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on May 09, 2016, 05:11:15 AM
Never got the Olly hate. Sure he stabbed Jon Snow.... but he saw the Wildings murder his family and destroy his village. That sort of thing tends to stay with you, especially if you're young and naive.

In last year's finale, Jon "died" and Arya was blind. Two episodes later, Jon's back and three episodes later, Arya isn't blind any more. What's next, Bran's legs gonna get fix? Theon's peepee gonna grow back?

Now, you're just being silly. ;)

I get the hate for Olly. Jon is a favorite character of many people, so naturally people react harshly when he's stabbed by someone who Jon treated kindly.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 09, 2016, 05:46:48 AM: For some reason, I didn't think Jon would leave the Wall. Obviously it makes sense but it seems more like he left just to leave: no indication whatsoever what he's actually going to do. Is he going north or south?! He has compelling reasons for both.

Plus, how's he gonna get his ice dragon now?! :lol
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Post by: Evermind on May 09, 2016, 05:56:05 AM: I think my hate for Olly qualifies as a book-snobbery, because Olly did all the things in Jon storyline. Killing Ygritte? That's Olly. "Edd, fetch me a block"? Nah, it's "Olly, my sword". Jon dying and remembering Arya and Ghost? Nope, his last word is "Olly". Jon waking up from the dead and his first thought is what, his siblings, the White Walkers, the wildlings who might be rampaging for all he knows? No, it's "Olly, he stabbed me in my heart". I know this might be irrational but well, can't help.

Tl;dr - fuck Olly. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 06:23:20 AM: Fuck Olly, indeed.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 09, 2016, 06:27:17 AM: See. Hef gets it.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Bolsters on May 09, 2016, 06:40:42 AM: I bet he named his sword and everything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 09, 2016, 06:54:05 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 09, 2016, 05:56:05 AM
I think my hate for Olly qualifies as a book-snobbery, because Olly did all the things in Jon storyline. Killing Ygritte? That's Olly. "Edd, fetch me a block"? Nah, it's "Olly, my sword". Jon dying and remembering Arya and Ghost? Nope, his last word is "Olly". Jon waking up from the dead and his first thought is what, his siblings, the White Walkers, the wildlings who might be rampaging for all he knows? No, it's "Olly, he stabbed me in my heart". I know this might be irrational but well, can't help.

Tl;dr - fuck Olly. :lol

Ygritte shot his Dad in the head!

I must be the only one who didn't blame Olly for what he did/how he felt considered what he had been through, and the influence Thorne apparently had over him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 06:58:27 AM: That sword fight with Arthur Dane was possibly the best sword fight I've seen on GOT. Excellent choreography and it looked so fluid esp the 4 on 1 part. Right before the fight I'm thinking to myself, another run of the mill sword fight ho-hum, then my eyes widened as the fight progressed. Great stuff. The Bran stuff is finally paying off after 4 seasons of visions and signs, we're finally seeing what Bran is supposed to do -well almost he's still learning everything.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 07:48:28 AM: Another awesome jaw dropping sunday night.

The sword fight was SICK, I'm not usually so keened in on sword fights, fun and all, but I don't recall too many that make me sit back and say, whoa that was awesome. So Bran must learn the truth about eveyrthing I guess, such as the history of westeros? Before he is allowed to leave and make an impact. Oh also nice call out to Howland Reed, Meera's father.

Another long lasting character is dead, see ya Alliser Thorne! Olly... see ya! That was awesome. The next Lord Commander is now Edd. Looks like Jon will get his Wildling army and take on the Boltons, but it remains to be seen if he will be able to rescue Rickon (and if Sansa makes it there before he leaves).

With the death of Shaggy Dog, I'd imagine Rickon isn't making it out of the series alive. Nice surprise to see him and Asha back, we all knew Bran was returning this season but I did not know Rickon would be back too.

Nice to see Sam and Gilly

Arya's storyline may be my least favorite this season. Just more training and it seems like nothing is going to change. I find it hard to believe she truly becomes no one. Maybe she actually does, but then somehow finds needle again and then goes on her vengeance.

The first small council meeting in awhile! Really awesome to see Queen of Thorns, Kevin Lannister the hand of the king, pyrcelle being pycelle, and Mace Tyrell is back although no word on his fallen Kingsguard :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2016, 08:15:46 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Arya's storyline may be my least favorite this season.

Nah...not for me. I've been good with it. The one I care least about right now is Daenaryus. It's extremely boring.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 08:16:32 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2016, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Arya's storyline may be my least favorite this season.

Nah...not for me. I've been good with it. The one I care least about right now is Daenaryus. It's extremely boring.
I agree, they need to move on that one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 08:37:18 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 08:16:32 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2016, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Arya's storyline may be my least favorite this season.

Nah...not for me. I've been good with it. The one I care least about right now is Daenaryus. It's extremely boring.
I agree, they need to move on that one.

I'll agree with that too, but at least we are learning more about the dothraki and their traditions through her story. Right now wiht Arya, it's not learning anything but seeing her grow stronger through the same thing week after week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2016, 08:53:27 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 08:16:32 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2016, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Arya's storyline may be my least favorite this season.

Nah...not for me. I've been good with it. The one I care least about right now is Daenaryus. It's extremely boring.
I agree, they need to move on that one.

I'll agree with that too, but at least we are learning more about the dothraki and their traditions through her story. Right now wiht Arya, it's not learning anything but seeing her grow stronger through the same thing week after week.

But she is growing....and I don't know if I'm the only one who thinks that she's "playing" the man with no name just to get what she wants. Which, if she is....I'm sure he knows it as well.

The Dany storyline isn't really doing anything....and frankly, I don't really care about Dothraki tradition. I want to see Dany get back to Mereen, let her Dragons feed and eat anything and everything they can to get huge....then attack and clean house. Like I said, I'm just bored with where they have taken that whole side of the narrative.
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Post by: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 08:59:20 AM: On another side note regarding Dany, does anyone remember what the show did with the Dothraki that came to her on the ship to Astapur when she got the unsullied army? Do they stay in Astapur or are they with her in Mehreen? I don't seem to recall anything about them after Dany gets the unsullied.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 09:05:58 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 08:59:20 AM
On another side note regarding Dany, does anyone remember what the show did with the Dothraki that came to her on the ship to Astapur when she got the unsullied army? Do they stay in Astapur or are they with her in Mehreen? I don't seem to recall anything about them after Dany gets the unsullied.

hmm, I don't recall many dothraki being left at that point after what remained seems to be slaughtered in Qarth, but I'd imagine what she had left came with her but they just aren't characters worth showing on TV. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 09:10:56 AM: No what I mean is after Qarth there were a bunch that came with her on the ship to Astapur. They showed them in the beginning of season 3 puking on the deck saying how they never traveled on the sea before, I'm asking what happened to those Dothraki, do they travel with her to Yunkai and Mehreen. It just seemed like they got dropped from the narrative once Dany acquired the unsullied. It's not a major plot point for me, but I'm just curious if it was ever mentioned since I can't remember if their presence/absence was ever acknowledged.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 09:13:41 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 09:10:56 AM
No what I mean is after Qarth there were a bunch that came with her on the ship to Astapur. They showed them puking on the deck saying how they never traveled on the sea before, I'm asking what happened to those Dothraki, do they travel with her to Yunkai and Mehreen. It just seemed like they got dropped from the narrative once Dany acquired the unsullied. It's not a major plot point for me, but I'm just curious.

I think you got it, they just aren't important characters. The bloodriders from season 2 who stuck with her got murdered and they were the only characters who were consistently shown to be close to Dany. Is one of them still alive in the books? I think the show killed them off early or something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 11:10:23 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 08:16:32 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2016, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Arya's storyline may be my least favorite this season.

Nah...not for me. I've been good with it. The one I care least about right now is Daenaryus. It's extremely boring.
I agree, they need to move on that one.

I'll agree with that too, but at least we are learning more about the dothraki and their traditions through her story. Right now wiht Arya, it's not learning anything but seeing her grow stronger through the same thing week after week.
The book readers aren't learning anything about the Dothraki and their traditions. All of this stuff the fate of the khaleesis of fallen khals) was covered fairly extensively when she was with Kal Drogo. So they need to get on with it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 09, 2016, 11:24:11 AM: Honestly if they just stuck with Jon Snow and Ramsey for the rest of the season I would be very content. The only other thing I have interest in is seeing that priest get his head smashed in but I have a feeling the entire thing is going to backfire on the Lannisters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 11:28:35 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 11:10:23 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 08:16:32 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2016, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Arya's storyline may be my least favorite this season.

Nah...not for me. I've been good with it. The one I care least about right now is Daenaryus. It's extremely boring.
I agree, they need to move on that one.

I'll agree with that too, but at least we are learning more about the dothraki and their traditions through her story. Right now wiht Arya, it's not learning anything but seeing her grow stronger through the same thing week after week.
The book readers aren't learning anything about the Dothraki and their traditions. All of this stuff the fate of the khaleesis of fallen khals) was covered fairly extensively when she was with Kal Drogo. So they need to get on with it.

I dont recall knowing all the khals go to some sort of overlord (forgot exactly how she described the people) to instruct them on what cities and people to conquer next. If that was in the books, then I forgot, but was not in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 11:45:32 AM: Dany's storyline has many ups and downs in terms of my interest, I think it's stagnated a bit since she got to Mehreen since she's been there since season 4 and not sure if they're leaving anytime soon by the looks of it. Though I have to say I did like the sons of harpy storyline last season and I'm assuming it's going to get resolved this season.

The Arya plot kinda did move fast with her eyesight restored and all but my guess is there's a lot more ahead which might explain them giving her sight back so soon. I wonder if it will tie back to the red woman's words back in season 3 when she says we'll meet again. They seem very far away right now to see that happen anytime soon even if it does happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zantera on May 09, 2016, 12:02:10 PM: I've liked Dany since the start but her storyline is starting to feel really drawn out and she's starting to feel a bit like a spoiled girl who calls for daddy when problems arrive. (In this case her army) Her whole routine with "Do you know who I am?.. -insert 25 nicknames/titles-" and vague threats when in reality she is pretty useless without her dragons or army to fight for her.
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Post by: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 12:10:26 PM: Haha yeah was going to say it's a joke almost now every time she gets angry. I AM DANY TARGY MOTHER OF DRAGONZZ!! FIRST UNBORN SECOND REBORN!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 09, 2016, 12:15:48 PM: I don't have a problem with Dany's story, it's not the most interesting right now, but it certainly isn't "really boring".

And I don't get the hate Arya's story is getting. I thought her montage was amazing. And on the subject on it being her eyes coming back too quickly, that whole thing was over pretty quickly in the books too. Not saying that makes it all fine, just saying.

Another great episode. This season is already clearly stronger than the last one.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 09, 2016, 12:34:18 PM: Quote from: Zantera on May 09, 2016, 12:02:10 PM
I've liked Dany since the start but her storyline is starting to feel really drawn out and she's starting to feel a bit like a spoiled girl who calls for daddy when problems arrive. (In this case her army) Her whole routine with "Do you know who I am?.. -insert 25 nicknames/titles-" and vague threats when in reality she is pretty useless without her dragons or army to fight for her.

Boring as it is, at least she's not following the expected arc and becoming the same as her brother was. Each of these "do you know who I am?!" moments have been very Viserys. Imagine the backlash if she actually does start going insane :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 09, 2016, 12:50:34 PM: Dany's story is dragging right now. Are Daario and Captain Friendzone going to spend all of season 6 looking for her? Tyrion unchained the dragons, so let's see some kind of action with them.

Now Arya is up to where she left off in A Dance With Dragons so next time we see her will be something fresh. I'm glad they didn't drag out her blindness for too long.

Someone kill Tommen already. His profuse whining needs to end. I'm starting to miss Joffrey.

Jon Snow is going to kick some ass this season. My favorite story line went from Dany's to Jon's. He can't become Jon Stark since Stannis isn't around to pardon him, but I feel like he's going to get an impressive amount of wildlings, make a deal with them, and get them to fight for him so he can take back Winterfell. Those are the Bolton banners burning that Melisandre saw. They were from Jon's battle not Stannis'.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 12:51:26 PM: The best part about Dany's story atm is her not being in Mereen, Mereen is so much more interesting now with Tyrion and Varys.

Also not mentioned here was that little inside look at Varys whisperers and how he gets his information. Really cool to see that lady from last season come back to give up info to Varys.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 09, 2016, 01:00:56 PM: True. Mereen was getting dragged out so having the odd couple there now is pretty awesome.

I'm still waiting to see what's going to happen with what Varys does at the end of A Dance With Dragons. I get the feeling The Mountain is going to wind up doing that.
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Post by: Evermind on May 09, 2016, 01:07:46 PM: I'm just sad they didn't show Arya warging to pass the blindness test so to speak as it happens in the books. But I guess I kinda liked her scenes in this episode anyway. Djawadi nailed it, great soundtrack all around.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 01:13:56 PM: Varys and Tyrion being in Mehreen is awesome just like when Tyrion was the hand of the king in King's Landing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 01:20:46 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 09, 2016, 01:13:56 PM
Varys and Tyrion being in Mehreen is awesome just like when Tyrion was the hand of the king in King's Landing.

yup and those were some of the best dialogue scenes of season 2
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 09, 2016, 01:52:15 PM: I hate to be a pain but can we please tiny text any book related speculation for us non book viewers? I didn't realize there were still some storylines that had some book material left in them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 09, 2016, 02:05:58 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2016, 08:16:32 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2016, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Arya's storyline may be my least favorite this season.

Nah...not for me. I've been good with it. The one I care least about right now is Daenaryus. It's extremely boring.
I agree, they need to move on that one.
They've been needing to move on that one for a couple of seasons/books now. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2016, 03:05:16 PM: Ygritte sends her regards.

Big FUUUUUUUUUUUU moment when I saw Osha and then I realized "oh damn if Osha's there maybe Rick..." and then another major FUUUUUUUU, damn it!!!!

The Queen of Thorns is always a badass. And Tyrion's attempts at getting a conversation going are hilarious ;D

Btw, after the Purple Wedding, this is the second time that Game of Thrones made us cheer for the death of a young kid, ha!

EDIT: I was almost forgetting... I was thinking "wow, this is it? they're showing it already now?" during the Tower of Joy flashback.

Can we basically give for certain now that this is how the R+L=J theory will finally come to life?
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 09, 2016, 04:10:09 PM: Hoping the Umbers are out for some Stark-flavoured revenge.
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Post by: masterthes on May 10, 2016, 07:58:20 AM: Another great episode. Yeah, Daeny is really boring me right now. Everything else is great. Do you get the sense Jon would have let Ollie live, like it was more for the benefit of the men, or else why did he quit the watch at the end? he clearly felt guilty about it
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:02:03 AM: I don't think he felt guilty. He did his duty, although his duty was distasteful. Not something to be guilty of.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 08:31:00 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:02:03 AM
I don't think he felt guilty. He did his duty, although his duty was distasteful. Not something to be guilty of.

I don't think he felt guilty either....especially given that he watched Olly stab him in the heart, then...got a wicked stare down from him as Jon looked at him. I think Jon was more trying to figure out where it went 'wrong' with he and Olly and he probably figured Olly thought it was his duty to kill Jon just as Jon knows it was his duty to kill the traitors.

I'm curious as to if Jon will still be at the Wall when Sansa arrives or if he's already gone....and if so, where did he go?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:33:05 AM: Judging by the entire history of the show since Ned Stark left for Kings Landing, I would guess they will just miss each other.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2016, 08:33:54 AM: I think Sansa gets there before he leaves and gives him the motivation to take the wildling army who now see him as some sort of God and go to Winterfell to save Rickon and reclaim the north for the Starks. Melisandre's visions of the battlefield in Winterfell will be true, but with Jon and not Stannis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 10, 2016, 08:34:50 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Judging by the entire history of the show since Ned Stark left for Kings Landing, I would guess they will just miss each other.
Surely eventually a Stark needs to meet another Stark again, but I'm sure the show will drag it out a bit longer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 08:38:03 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 10, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Judging by the entire history of the show since Ned Stark left for Kings Landing, I would guess they will just miss each other.
Surely eventually a Stark needs to meet another Stark again, but I'm sure the show will drag it out a bit longer.

I would hope so....but as Hef mentioned....this show clearly does all it can to not have one 'happy', satisfying moment. It is nothing but misery and even when there is a payoff or some sort of 'good' it's not really....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 10, 2016, 10:05:19 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 10, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Judging by the entire history of the show since Ned Stark left for Kings Landing, I would guess they will just miss each other.
Surely eventually a Stark needs to meet another Stark again, but I'm sure the show will drag it out a bit longer.

How about this: Jon and Sansa will just miss each other, then Jon hears about Ramsay and Rickon, marches on Winterfell and gets to watch Ramsay killing Rickon in some overly sadistic and infuriating way? :biggrin:
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 10, 2016, 11:15:57 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 10, 2016, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 10, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Judging by the entire history of the show since Ned Stark left for Kings Landing, I would guess they will just miss each other.
Surely eventually a Stark needs to meet another Stark again, but I'm sure the show will drag it out a bit longer.

How about this: Jon and Sansa will just miss each other, then Jon hears about Ramsay and Rickon, marches on Winterfell and gets to watch Ramsay killing Rickon in some overly sadistic and infuriating way? :biggrin:

That wouldn´t surprise me one bit....
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2016, 11:36:35 AM: I think Jon will defeat Ramsay.

Sooner or later the White Walkers will invade Westeros and by that time there's no need anymore, plot wise, for Ramsay.

I was wondering as well which ones of the Stark will eventually meet again. Bran is the one that to me has the highest chances of approaching by warging or magical means whoever he wants.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 10, 2016, 11:57:21 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 10, 2016, 11:36:35 AM
I think Jon will defeat Ramsay.

Me too, but I think Rickon is as good as gone and I seriously think Jon might have to watch him dying before he gets to Ramsay.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2016, 12:02:12 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 10, 2016, 11:57:21 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 10, 2016, 11:36:35 AM
I think Jon will defeat Ramsay.

Me too, but I think Rickon is as good as gone and I seriously think Jon might have to watch him dying before he gets to Ramsay.

I think so too. If that was truly Shaggydog's head given to Ramsay then Rickon might as well be dead as far as I am concerned, let alone handing him to Ramsay.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 10, 2016, 12:37:51 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 10, 2016, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 10, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Judging by the entire history of the show since Ned Stark left for Kings Landing, I would guess they will just miss each other.
Surely eventually a Stark needs to meet another Stark again, but I'm sure the show will drag it out a bit longer.

How about this: Jon and Sansa will just miss each other, then Jon hears about Ramsay and Rickon, marches on Winterfell and gets to watch Ramsay killing Rickon in some overly sadistic and infuriating way? :biggrin:
The grin suggests that you're joking, but that's literally what I'm expecting to happen because this is Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 12:44:31 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 08:31:00 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 08:02:03 AM
I don't think he felt guilty. He did his duty, although his duty was distasteful. Not something to be guilty of.

I don't think he felt guilty either....especially given that he watched Olly stab him in the heart, then...got a wicked stare down from him as Jon looked at him. I think Jon was more trying to figure out where it went 'wrong' with he and Olly and he probably figured Olly thought it was his duty to kill Jon just as Jon knows it was his duty to kill the traitors.

I disagree with the both of you. I watched the scene again and there's definitely some guilt in his eyes, some sadness. He knows he has to suffer Olly to the same fate as the other three, but he also knows that Olly was undoubtedly goaded by the other men in regards to his death. Sure, he had hatred towards Jon's actions, but he would have never acted on his own to do such a thing.

Quote from: cramx3 on May 10, 2016, 08:33:54 AM
I think Sansa gets there before he leaves and gives him the motivation to take the wildling army who now see him as some sort of God and go to Winterfell to save Rickon and reclaim the north for the Starks. Melisandre's visions of the battlefield in Winterfell will be true, but with Jon and not Stannis.

I've been saying that for a while now and I still stand behind it. I'm so focused on what becomes of Jon's character, more than I am for Dany's or Tyrion's.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 12:59:41 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
I'm so focused on what becomes of Jon's character, more than I am for Dany's or Tyrion's.

Me too. i think it's because all evidence points to him being THE character that is going to being peace or unite...or whatever the 'end game' for the story is. Jon Snow appears to be the key ingredient....not Dany or Tyrion. That 'game' they are playing will go on forever but the invasion from the White Walkers is the only threat to man and Jon will be the one who stops them...not the other two.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 01:14:04 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
I'm so focused on what becomes of Jon's character, more than I am for Dany's or Tyrion's.

Me too. i think it's because all evidence points to him being THE character that is going to being peace or unite...or whatever the 'end game' for the story is. Jon Snow appears to be the key ingredient....not Dany or Tyrion. That 'game' they are playing will go on forever but the invasion from the White Walkers is the only threat to man and Jon will be the one who stops them...not the other two.

I like some of the theories that say Jon will lead an army against Daenerys' army and her dragons. She does have the capacity to go mad like her relatives and it's totally plausible that she could lose her mind.

I also love this theory that some believe is the one that GRRM said was the theory he was referring to when he said a couple of fans correctly guessed the ending. https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 01:26:10 PM: They released titles for episodes six and seven.

https://watchersonthewall.com/titles-game-thrones-episodes-606-607-revealed/#more-64480
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 01:32:37 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
I'm so focused on what becomes of Jon's character, more than I am for Dany's or Tyrion's.

Me too. i think it's because all evidence points to him being THE character that is going to being peace or unite...or whatever the 'end game' for the story is. Jon Snow appears to be the key ingredient....not Dany or Tyrion. That 'game' they are playing will go on forever but the invasion from the White Walkers is the only threat to man and Jon will be the one who stops them...not the other two.

I like some of the theories that say Jon will lead an army against Daenerys' army and her dragons. She does have the capacity to go mad like her relatives and it's totally plausible that she could lose her mind.

I also love this theory that some believe is the one that GRRM said was the theory he was referring to when he said a couple of fans correctly guessed the ending. https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/

Interesting and seems like it could be plausible....
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 01:43:50 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 10, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
I'm so focused on what becomes of Jon's character, more than I am for Dany's or Tyrion's.

Me too. i think it's because all evidence points to him being THE character that is going to being peace or unite...or whatever the 'end game' for the story is. Jon Snow appears to be the key ingredient....not Dany or Tyrion. That 'game' they are playing will go on forever but the invasion from the White Walkers is the only threat to man and Jon will be the one who stops them...not the other two.

I like some of the theories that say Jon will lead an army against Daenerys' army and her dragons. She does have the capacity to go mad like her relatives and it's totally plausible that she could lose her mind.

I also love this theory that some believe is the one that GRRM said was the theory he was referring to when he said a couple of fans correctly guessed the ending. https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/

Interesting and seems like it could be plausible....

All of these competing theories enhance my love for the books and show. I sat down for hours one day and read random theories. I loved quite a few of them and realized I could very well be disappointed since not all of the theories can be accurate obviously. It's what further aspired me to write more. Creating my own world and sending the characters in whatever direction I see fit is really the most pleasing way to satisfy every fantastical urge.

It's not too early to discuss this. Where is every character going to wind up at the end of the current season? Any theories?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 01:59:54 PM: Fuck, I don't know.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2016, 02:05:18 PM: The theories is also one of the reasons why I love the book/show. There's so much depth and storylines intertwined that make discussing theories way more interesting than other books/shows.

Guesses for endpoints of the main characters:

Dany - Queen of the Iron Throne
Tyrion - Hand of the Queen of the Iron Throne
Jorah - Dead (seems likely he will die with grey scale)
Missandei and Grey Worm - One will die, why else do they show a love relationship building? The other stays on Dany's staff till the end... or also dies
Cersei - Dead
Jon Snow - King of the North
Bran - Not sure where and how he will end up, he will leave the cave, but I don't know how and this is hard to predict
Sansa - Back with Tyrion and Queen of Casterly Rock (I think she will realize that he was the only person who treated her right and will honor their wedding in the end)
Arya - Maybe ends up as Kingsguard or something, I dont think she remains a faceless man, but will obviously become a deadly assassin and she doesn't seem to be the type to settle down as a Lady.
Theon - Dead, probably do something else heroic for the Starks in the end that'll cost him his life
Melisandre - Dead, I just don't see her being there at the end even though she currently sits in a good position with me for saving Jon
Davos - I could see him becoming the Lord of some castle somewhere, if he makes it alive and I hope he does, he will be deserving of something nice
Littlefinger - Dead, his scheming will have to catch up to him one day
Varys - Not sure, maybe dies, but could also stay alive to the end as the Lord of Whispers for the Iron Throne again.
Jamie - I think he dies at some point, he will turn around and actually become a good guy and die in a heroic way, maybe buy actually saving the King (or Queen).
Margery - Dead, I don't see much of a point to her anymore, wouldn't be surprised if the Faith Militant kill her
Benjen - Comes back from wherever he was and is now Lord Commander, or is just dead.

I'm sure I missed some people and also these are not to be taken seriously obviously
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Post by: Sycsa on May 10, 2016, 02:06:13 PM: Damn, is this show dragging. Last season was slow as a sloth, but that was because it was about to catch up to the books and had to wait for the next one (which didn't come out in the end), or so I thought. I was sure that now that they're not bound by the books, having surpassed them, the pace will pick up again. Boy, was I wrong. The show is on full stop, nothing really happens, everything is just falling into place and building up towards something. I'm sure that the payoff will be good, but it'll arrive towards the end of the season, and, until then, I'll have to endure plenty of dud episodes like the 3rd one.

None of the storylines is particulary interesting, Jon's resurrection was predictable as hell (I even called it after the first episode that he will suddenly wake up breathing heavily before the screen fades to the credits, exactly what happened next week), and the rest are even weaker.

The worst offender of them all is Ayra's storyline. Talk about lazy writing. It's obvious from the get-go how it will all end (again, predictibility in Game of Thrones is an uncharacteristically bad trait), there is absolutely no inner conflict, no outer challenge, no tension, we just have to endure watching her get smacked the shit out of with a stick to the face for three episodes, before anything worthwhile can happen (or, at least I hope it will).

At this point, by far the most interesting storyline is the admittedly lazy storytelling method of Bran's flashbacks. I'm genuinely interested in seeing more of young Ned's exploits, even though its ultimate purpose is to drag the main story even further. I don't mind it though, nothing else that's currently happening in Westeros is even remotely as interesting. And somebody please just slaughter that annoying High Sparrow already.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 02:16:26 PM: ??? This season is racing through plotlines. Not sure what you are talking about. Yeah, last season was slow, but not this season.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 10, 2016, 02:17:42 PM: Personally I feel the opposite, I thought these have been three unusually fast paced episode for being the beginning of a season. Something most people seems to agree with. Almost everyone I've talked to about the season has basically said the same thing, which is "so much happened this episode". I've gotten that comment about every episide this season so far from people I work with or other friends.

Also, I don't see why Bran's flashbacks is lazy storytelling. It's not just ordinary random flashbacks to explain stuff to the audience. There is a storybased reason to see this, and having Bran be able to see it is something that has been set up since the very start of the series. I would even say that it's a pretty clever way to show past events without simply resorting to the old normal flashback routine.
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Post by: Sycsa on May 10, 2016, 02:59:29 PM: I said "admittedly lazy storytelling", referring to one of the authors' statement about this kind narrative tool. I don't mind it, as I said before, it's the best thing the show's got going for it right now. https://www.vox.com/2016/5/1/11554428/game-of-thrones-episode-2-recap-home-dogs-ramsay-jon-snow

I don't know how anyone can claim that the show isn't slow paced, when literally nothing happened in the last episode in terms of plot developement. We got a bit of (rather dull) character development, some dead end conversations and that's a wrap. The plot didn't move forward one iota.
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Post by: Sycsa on May 10, 2016, 03:22:59 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 02:16:26 PM
??? This season is racing through plotlines. Not sure what you are talking about. Yeah, last season was slow, but not this season.
Episode 3, scene by scene:

1. Jon gets up, dull, clichéd conversation, dick joke.
2. Samwell on a boat, barf, nothing happens.
3. Flashback, kickass swordfight, surprising revelation about Ned's character. The only truly good scene in the entire episode.
4. Dany, pointless chatter with the dothraki widows.
5. Lord Varys, boring talk with a throwaway character.
6. Tyrion, attempted drinking game, funny scene at least.

Ok, I'm not gonna go through the entire episode, but we're at halftime at this point, the only scenes that remain are the annoying High Sparrow, Tommen conversation, the predictable and dull conclusion to Ayra's training, Rickon showing up and Jon getting out of dodge. I guess the last two did forward the plot somewhat after all, but they're tiny developements, plus no one cares about Rickon. The entire episode was filler/buildup.

That's not "racing through plotlines," by all means.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 10, 2016, 03:37:29 PM: "Plot Development":
- The people at Castle Black found out Jon Snow was alive again. Jon executed his killers, and apparently gave up on bring Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
- Ramsay apparently gained the support of another major Northern house, and got ahold of Rick on Stark.
- Varys found out who supports the Sons Of the Harpy.
- Danaerys arrived at the temple of the Dosh Khaleen and found out her situation.
- Bran saw a significant past event that, while it may not have directly moved any current plot forward, raised important questions for the future (for those that didn't know about the scene from the books). It also demonstrated the potential for Bran to not only learn about important past events, but perhaps even to communicate with the past.

The episode was not the most packed in terms of "events" that "move the plot forward", I will admit... And I think that that is a good thing. For example consider King's Landing, which I didn't mention in my list of "plot developments" despite it taking up a significant chunk of the episode. Few "big events" really happened in those scenes, however they were crucial for both setting up future events and seeing characters react to current / past ones. (For example we finally saw people ask about the zombified Gregor Clegane, which provided some entertaining moments). This is the kind of stuff that's necessary to make us feel something when "big events" actually happen. We could have just cut to King's Landing and raced through "plot development": Ok, Margaery's released, Zombie Mountain has stormed the sept and that old guy is now dead, oh look now this other old guy has been killed, remember him from that one scene last season? So much plot development.

Episodes like that one probably won't be the "standout episode" you remember when you look back on the season, but they are important for making the season as a whole feel like a meaningful story rather than just a sequence of events comparable to reading a summary. That's also the reason that this show (and many others) are much better enjoyed as a whole rather than this week by week format where each individual episode is scrutinized and you're left thinking about what you didn't get this week... But unfortunately not watching Game Of Thrones as soon as it is released is unfeasible for me :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2016, 03:45:54 PM: Agreed with RuRo, tons of things happened last episode to advance the plot. Are we watching the same show? Season 6 is faster paced so far than any other season.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2016, 03:48:11 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 10, 2016, 02:05:18 PM
The theories is also one of the reasons why I love the book/show. There's so much depth and storylines intertwined that make discussing theories way more interesting than other books/shows.

Guesses for endpoints of the main characters:

Dany - Queen of the Iron Throne
Tyrion - Hand of the Queen of the Iron Throne
Jorah - Dead (seems likely he will die with grey scale)
Missandei and Grey Worm - One will die, why else do they show a love relationship building? The other stays on Dany's staff till the end... or also dies
Cersei - Dead
Jon Snow - King of the North
Bran - Not sure where and how he will end up, he will leave the cave, but I don't know how and this is hard to predict
Sansa - Back with Tyrion and Queen of Casterly Rock (I think she will realize that he was the only person who treated her right and will honor their wedding in the end)
Arya - Maybe ends up as Kingsguard or something, I dont think she remains a faceless man, but will obviously become a deadly assassin and she doesn't seem to be the type to settle down as a Lady.
Theon - Dead, probably do something else heroic for the Starks in the end that'll cost him his life
Melisandre - Dead, I just don't see her being there at the end even though she currently sits in a good position with me for saving Jon
Davos - I could see him becoming the Lord of some castle somewhere, if he makes it alive and I hope he does, he will be deserving of something nice
Littlefinger - Dead, his scheming will have to catch up to him one day
Varys - Not sure, maybe dies, but could also stay alive to the end as the Lord of Whispers for the Iron Throne again.
Jamie - I think he dies at some point, he will turn around and actually become a good guy and die in a heroic way, maybe buy actually saving the King (or Queen).
Margery - Dead, I don't see much of a point to her anymore, wouldn't be surprised if the Faith Militant kill her
Benjen - Comes back from wherever he was and is now Lord Commander, or is just dead.

I'm sure I missed some people and also these are not to be taken seriously obviously

I would have played this game as well, but your guesses are very good so now it's hard to come up with better ones.

I'll try some predictions for this season instead...

- Jon Snow will lead an army against Ramsay and will defeat him, the White Walkers have to arrive sooner or later and by the time there's no more need for a villain in the north.
- Dany will either "I am queen Dany stormborn mother of fucking dragons yadda yadda yadda" her way out of the widows' retirement home, or will be saved by Daario and Jorah, who most likely will succumb to greyscale. And of course his dragon will show up to burn shit up at some point.
- Tyrion and Varys will somehow clean up the city and present it to Dany, or either things will go so bad that she will decide "That's it, I'm going to Westeros".
- Tommen will die, a clash against the High Sparrow forces and Camp Incest will happen, can't see Cersei or Jaymie die yet. But if someone croaks, it's Cersei. If Tommen dies Margaery is no longer the queen and she may be in trouble and feel forced to confess to get out of the cell.
- Arya will be allowed back into the world as a faceless assassin. Can't see her training going on into season 7.
- The Ironborn will do whatever they were doing in the books at this point in time.
- Littlefinger must show up somehow to do some more plotting, he won't sit in the Eyrie all season long.
- Sam will learn stuff at the Citadel I guess.
- Bran will see what happens in the Tower of Joy, dunno if he will develop his skills so far that he will actually be able to contact Jon or someone else of his family.
- Sansa will reach Castle Black and probably miss Jon.
- Gendry is still rowing on that goddamn boat.
- Walder Frey is still be gloating in his empty hall. Seriously, where's some proper retribution for the Red Wedding? Roose Bolton is offed as a minor character halfway an episode and Walder wasn't seen since the Red Wedding itself.
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Post by: Evermind on May 11, 2016, 10:41:30 AM: Quote from: Sycsa on May 10, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 10, 2016, 02:16:26 PM
??? This season is racing through plotlines. Not sure what you are talking about. Yeah, last season was slow, but not this season.
Episode 3, scene by scene:

1. Jon gets up, dull, clichéd conversation, dick joke.
<snip>

Well, to be fair, that was one dick joke I can approve of, because that was totally in line with Tormund's character.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 10:54:24 AM: It was a good joke, not just inline with character, but also a joke for all the woman (real world fans) who are obsessed with Jon. :lol
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Post by: BlackInk on May 11, 2016, 11:27:40 AM: I'm sorry Sycsa, but it just seems to me that you're confusing "advancing the plot" with "action scenes".
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Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 11:31:15 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 11, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
I'm sorry Sycsa, but it just seems to me that you're confusing "advancing the plot" with "action scenes".

Explain please since I don't recall action scenes besides the flashback scene in front of the Tower of Joy (which advanced the plot of understanding how this all happened "good luck in the future wars" from Sir Arthur Dayne to Ned Stark). All of sycsa's examples were plot advancements.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 11, 2016, 11:49:47 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 11:31:15 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 11, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
I'm sorry Sycsa, but it just seems to me that you're confusing "advancing the plot" with "action scenes".

Explain please since I don't recall action scenes besides the flashback scene in front of the Tower of Joy (which advanced the plot of understanding how this all happened "good luck in the future wars" from Sir Arthur Dayne to Ned Stark). All of sycsa's examples were plot advancements.

Well, yeah, that was the point. He said that that scene was the only good one in the episode, while disregarding all the rest as filler.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 11:51:58 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 11, 2016, 11:49:47 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 11:31:15 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 11, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
I'm sorry Sycsa, but it just seems to me that you're confusing "advancing the plot" with "action scenes".

Explain please since I don't recall action scenes besides the flashback scene in front of the Tower of Joy (which advanced the plot of understanding how this all happened "good luck in the future wars" from Sir Arthur Dayne to Ned Stark). All of sycsa's examples were plot advancements.

Well, yeah, that was the point. He said that that scene was the only good one in the episode, while disregarding all the rest as filler.

Im confused, thought you were saying the opposite. So we are in agreement :corn
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Post by: BlackInk on May 11, 2016, 11:53:33 AM: :tup
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2016, 11:56:39 AM: I don't think that just the Tower of Joy scene was the only once with plot advancement. Actually, it still didn't confirm the R + L = J theory yet. All we know is that Ned won that sword fight unfairly. I'd say Jon Snow's last scene had more advancement. He made his next move, avenged his death, and decided his watch has ended.

Furthermore, we already knew about the Tower Of Joy from the books. :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2016, 12:12:28 PM: :metal

https://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/11/martin-publishes-chapter-from-the-winds-of-winter-on-his-site/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2016, 12:21:45 PM: Well, I mean, whatever. Publish the damn book, George.

And then the next one will take 15 more years, I suppose.
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Post by: Evermind on May 11, 2016, 12:23:28 PM: Yeah, that's a very old chapter, I guess it's the first time it gets official but, well, I think I've read it in 2012 or something.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2016, 12:32:46 PM: Do you think there's distinct possibility that he's working on more than just the next book? What if he's coming up with ideas for book seven and going with the flow?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 12:51:17 PM: I have avoided reading the few released chapters. I don't like the tease, just finish the damn book!

I'd imagine he has to be coming up with plots for book 7 as he writes book 6, although I don't see him writing both at the same time unless things get shifted in the editting process to the next book.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2016, 12:54:50 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
I have avoided reading the few released chapters. I don't like the tease, just finish the damn book!

I'd imagine he has to be coming up with plots for book 7 as he writes book 6, although I don't see him writing both at the same time unless things get shifted in the editting process to the next book.

Which is what happened with books 4 and 5. That's why I haven't ruled it out as a possibility.
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Post by: Evermind on May 11, 2016, 12:56:42 PM: As much as I want it to be true, nah, I learned better than to expect something like that from GRRM. Remember when he released Feast in 2005 and claimed he has enough material written to get Dance published the very next year? Then he ended up doing a lot of rewriting, revising, and Dance only got published in 2011.

Well I think it's the same with Winds and Dream, or worse. I think we will see Winds published eventually, then he will announce he won't wrap the series up in seven books and the plan goes from seven to eight, and I'm honestly not sure if the seven book will ever see the light of day.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2016, 12:58:52 PM: I do not want to think about his mortality right now. Let's hope he does what Robert Jordan did and have someone ready to take over in the event of his passing.
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Post by: Tyrias on May 11, 2016, 01:09:51 PM: I think he explicitly said he doesn't want anyone else continuing his series. But then, if he's already dead he can't really do anything against it...
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2016, 01:11:14 PM: I guess it depends on what is outlined in his contract with the publishing company and with copyrights and whatnot.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on May 11, 2016, 01:13:07 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
Me too. i think it's because all evidence points to him being THE character that is going to being peace or unite...or whatever the 'end game' for the story is. Jon Snow appears to be the key ingredient....not Dany or Tyrion. That 'game' they are playing will go on forever but the invasion from the White Walkers is the only threat to man and Jon will be the one who stops them...not the other two.

I don't think so. I think we will see a Stark/Targaryen alliance. Especially since the book series is called A Song of ICE and FIRE.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2016, 01:16:50 PM: Some think Jon is both the Ice and Fire because of his yet to be confirmed lineage.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 01:19:14 PM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on May 11, 2016, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
Me too. i think it's because all evidence points to him being THE character that is going to being peace or unite...or whatever the 'end game' for the story is. Jon Snow appears to be the key ingredient....not Dany or Tyrion. That 'game' they are playing will go on forever but the invasion from the White Walkers is the only threat to man and Jon will be the one who stops them...not the other two.

I don't think so. I think we will see a Stark/Targaryen alliance. Especially since the book series is called A Song of ICE and FIRE.

So? That doesn't mean it can't be ice vs. fire in the end. Although I do agree with you, I think a very possible scenario is they unite to fight off the fight walkers in the end using the fire of the dragons that are being rode by Dany (full Targ), Jon (half and half), and Bran (through warg, and full Stark).
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Post by: Progmetty on May 11, 2016, 01:50:12 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 08, 2016, 10:31:01 PM
This is not a negative remark cause I love this season so far but also this is the fastest a GoT season has moved along story-wise ever, it's starting to feel like they're suddenly marching quickly towards the end, which makes it feel like a movie now for lack of a better comparison. But it feels too sudden and too different from the first four seasons, the fifth season now seems to have been made to serve entirely as a set up for the current one.
I miss the feel of the first four seasons a bit tbh, lots of stories and doors opening, a huge universe and a colossal web of characters and events, sometimes seemingly with nothing in common except for the fact that they all happen in the same world. Now it feels like everything is going towards the same thing, whatever that is, which is a natural way of preparing for a conclusion but it just feels a tad sudden, like there was no transition between how it was and how it is now except for the set up of season 5 and that really didn't feel like it was a sufficient transition, I dunno if I'm expressing that thought clearly.
Perhaps it feels that way because they're not following the books anymore, I haven't read them and I'm no book snob but it seems plausible a factor.
I also miss how in the first four seasons we spent each episode entirely in one place or with one character.
Oh well, it's still great.

Few things about the new episode:
- Cersei and Jamie are just plain and flat at this point, they're dangerous but not really interesting anymore. I hope they don't kill Kevan though, I like that guy.
- Arthur Dayne's sword fight scene was brilliantly choreographed. I always thought that eventually when the series is over HBO might do a movie or two about Robert Baratheon's Rebellion since it would of a great watch for GoT fans and now I'm wondering if they'll use this footage or recreate this scene again, or maybe just scrap it for being a sort of side story to the rebellion.
- Melisandre is no longer on Arya's list, not sure why.
- Why does Davos think Jon is important? I guess that's a question for the previous episode as well. I mean Jon obviously is important but what does Davos know?
- Rickon Stark, totally unexpected! Though we were bound to see him again sooner or later. I hope Ramsay doesn't give him the Theon treatment. He didn't look freaked out or even upset enough about his capture or the death of his wolf, but that could be the actor.
- Is Arya really gone? Cause she was honest enough about being no one to drink that water and not die, if she's truly a faceless assassin now then that's not really interesting, cause as far as I understand it means she doesn't carry inside her anything that made her Arya Stark except a set of memories, so no revenge and no longing to find family members, etc.
- Haha Olly.

Addition: Also remembered the executioner Ilyn Payne is no longer on her list!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 02:07:04 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 11, 2016, 01:50:12 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 08, 2016, 10:31:01 PM
This is not a negative remark cause I love this season so far but also this is the fastest a GoT season has moved along story-wise ever, it's starting to feel like they're suddenly marching quickly towards the end, which makes it feel like a movie now for lack of a better comparison. But it feels too sudden and too different from the first four seasons, the fifth season now seems to have been made to serve entirely as a set up for the current one.
I miss the feel of the first four seasons a bit tbh, lots of stories and doors opening, a huge universe and a colossal web of characters and events, sometimes seemingly with nothing in common except for the fact that they all happen in the same world. Now it feels like everything is going towards the same thing, whatever that is, which is a natural way of preparing for a conclusion but it just feels a tad sudden, like there was no transition between how it was and how it is now except for the set up of season 5 and that really didn't feel like it was a sufficient transition, I dunno if I'm expressing that thought clearly.
Perhaps it feels that way because they're not following the books anymore, I haven't read them and I'm no book snob but it seems plausible a factor.
I also miss how in the first four seasons we spent each episode entirely in one place or with one character.
Oh well, it's still great.

Few things about the new episode:
- Cersei and Jamie are just plain and flat at this point, they're dangerous but not really interesting anymore. I hope they don't kill Kevan though, I like that guy.
- Arthur Dayne's sword fight scene was brilliantly choreographed. I always thought that eventually when the series is over HBO might do a movie or two about Robert Baratheon's Rebellion since it would of a great watch for GoT fans and now I'm wondering if they'll use this footage or recreate this scene again, or maybe just scrap it for being a sort of side story to the rebellion.
- Melisandre is no longer on Arya's list, not sure why.
- Why does Davos think Jon is important? I guess that's a question for the previous episode as well. I mean Jon obviously is important but what does Davos know?
- Rickon Stark, totally unexpected! Though we were bound to see him again sooner or later. I hope Ramsay doesn't give him the Theon treatment. He didn't look freaked out or even upset enough about his capture or the death of his wolf, but that could be the actor.
- Is Arya really gone? Cause she was honest enough about being no one to drink that water and not die, if she's truly a faceless assassin now then that's not really interesting, cause as far as I understand it means she doesn't carry inside her anything that made her Arya Stark except a set of memories, so no revenge and no longing to find family members, etc.
- Haha Olly.

Addition: Also remembered the executioner Ilyn Payne is no longer on her list!

Well, there is a real reason for that. The actor died in real life.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 11, 2016, 02:25:51 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 02:07:04 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 11, 2016, 01:50:12 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 08, 2016, 10:31:01 PM
This is not a negative remark cause I love this season so far but also this is the fastest a GoT season has moved along story-wise ever, it's starting to feel like they're suddenly marching quickly towards the end, which makes it feel like a movie now for lack of a better comparison. But it feels too sudden and too different from the first four seasons, the fifth season now seems to have been made to serve entirely as a set up for the current one.
I miss the feel of the first four seasons a bit tbh, lots of stories and doors opening, a huge universe and a colossal web of characters and events, sometimes seemingly with nothing in common except for the fact that they all happen in the same world. Now it feels like everything is going towards the same thing, whatever that is, which is a natural way of preparing for a conclusion but it just feels a tad sudden, like there was no transition between how it was and how it is now except for the set up of season 5 and that really didn't feel like it was a sufficient transition, I dunno if I'm expressing that thought clearly.
Perhaps it feels that way because they're not following the books anymore, I haven't read them and I'm no book snob but it seems plausible a factor.
I also miss how in the first four seasons we spent each episode entirely in one place or with one character.
Oh well, it's still great.

Few things about the new episode:
- Cersei and Jamie are just plain and flat at this point, they're dangerous but not really interesting anymore. I hope they don't kill Kevan though, I like that guy.
- Arthur Dayne's sword fight scene was brilliantly choreographed. I always thought that eventually when the series is over HBO might do a movie or two about Robert Baratheon's Rebellion since it would of a great watch for GoT fans and now I'm wondering if they'll use this footage or recreate this scene again, or maybe just scrap it for being a sort of side story to the rebellion.
- Melisandre is no longer on Arya's list, not sure why.
- Why does Davos think Jon is important? I guess that's a question for the previous episode as well. I mean Jon obviously is important but what does Davos know?
- Rickon Stark, totally unexpected! Though we were bound to see him again sooner or later. I hope Ramsay doesn't give him the Theon treatment. He didn't look freaked out or even upset enough about his capture or the death of his wolf, but that could be the actor.
- Is Arya really gone? Cause she was honest enough about being no one to drink that water and not die, if she's truly a faceless assassin now then that's not really interesting, cause as far as I understand it means she doesn't carry inside her anything that made her Arya Stark except a set of memories, so no revenge and no longing to find family members, etc.
- Haha Olly.

Addition: Also remembered the executioner Ilyn Payne is no longer on her list!

Well, there is a real reason for that. The actor died in real life.
Actually he didn't die, he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and given about a year to live, but after extreme surgery he is cancer-free. So a better end to that story than expected.

But yeah, he wasn't able to be on the show any more which is why Illyn Payne hasn't been seen hanging around around King's Landing in later seasons. Also it was probably in good taste to take him off Arya's list.

Members of the Brotherhood Without Banners and Melisandre also went missing from Arya's list at the start of season 5. Maybe she took a more forgiving outlook, or maybe the showrunners trimmed it down to the key people she might actually run into again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 02:32:29 PM: He isn't dead?! That's good news indeed, thought for sure he died. Maybe Melisandre had something to do with that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 11, 2016, 02:44:46 PM: The link to the news of the chapter brings to a screencaps recap of the episode, and it says this about Rickon coming back:

"Speaking of Starks, how many non-book-readers even remembered Rickon and Osha existed? How many of them thought that this weird rude dude with a beard who was making fun of Ramsay had captured Nymphadora Tonks and stripped her of her wand?"

D'uh. I don't get the assumption that non book readers would be just in for tits and shock deaths, barely paying attention to the plot, and that only book readers would be into all the tiniest details. If at all, book readers can tell the difference between the show and the books, but even if the books never existed, once I'm following the story I do well remember there was a Rickon and a Osha.

I know there are a lot of people out there who still haven't understood that Dany's name isn't Khaleesi, but come on, people are binge-watching now and this show is widely discussed all year long, can't see why everyone who is an active fan of the show and not a casual viewer totally forget about something just because it wasn't shown for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 11, 2016, 02:49:40 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 11, 2016, 02:44:46 PM
The link to the news of the chapter brings to a screencaps recap of the episode, and it says this about Rickon coming back:

"Speaking of Starks, how many non-book-readers even remembered Rickon and Osha existed? How many of them thought that this weird rude dude with a beard who was making fun of Ramsay had captured Nymphadora Tonks and stripped her of her wand?"

D'uh. I don't get the assumption that non book readers would be just in for tits and shock deaths, barely paying attention to the plot, and that only book readers would be into all the tiniest details. If at all, book readers can tell the difference between the show and the books, but even if the books never existed, once I'm following the story I do well remember there was a Rickon and a Osha.

I know there are a lot of people out there who still haven't understood that Dany's name isn't Khaleesi, but come on, people are binge-watching now and this show is widely discussed all year long, can't see why everyone who is an active fan of the show and not a casual viewer totally forget about something just because it wasn't shown for a couple of seasons.

So true, but also Rickon is not back in the books sooo book readers seem just as likely to have forgotten.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 12, 2016, 09:20:25 AM: Is Ghost the only remaining direwolf?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 12, 2016, 09:26:52 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 12, 2016, 09:20:25 AM
Is Ghost the only remaining direwolf?

We haven't seen him this season, but I'm fairly certain Summer is still alive. And for all we know Nymeria is still out there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 12, 2016, 09:30:04 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 12, 2016, 09:26:52 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 12, 2016, 09:20:25 AM
Is Ghost the only remaining direwolf?

We haven't seen him this season, but I'm fairly certain Summer is still alive. And for all we know Nymeria is still out there.
Ah, yes. Forgot about them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2016, 09:34:44 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 12, 2016, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 12, 2016, 09:26:52 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 12, 2016, 09:20:25 AM
Is Ghost the only remaining direwolf?

We haven't seen him this season, but I'm fairly certain Summer is still alive. And for all we know Nymeria is still out there.
Ah, yes. Forgot about them.

Yup, those three should all be alive although where Summer and Nymeria are is anyone's guess. Seems to be a lot of people think that wasn't Shaggydog's head last episode because it seemed too small, I think it is possible the Umber's are tricking the Boltons. and I'd assume Nymeria has her pack of wolves in the Riverlands
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 10:02:40 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 11, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
I'm sorry Sycsa, but it just seems to me that you're confusing "advancing the plot" with "action scenes".
Lolz. No reason to debate guys like you.
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/a1410ebd52c0b74399000d70205f0379/tumblr_inline_mgtttkMdQa1qfe5t2.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2016, 10:40:30 AM: No need for that. Especially since your point doesn't seem to hold, and everyone else agrees.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 12, 2016, 10:45:15 AM: (https://www.ranthollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Robb-stark-popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 12, 2016, 11:13:24 AM: Choc full of speculation and Theories about Shaggy Dog, Rickon and the whole Umber alliance.

https://mashable.com/2016/05/12/game-of-thrones-rickon-umber-theory/#TY7uEDO8eOqi
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 12, 2016, 11:28:11 AM: The focus on what happens in the North made me think a bit more about the late Roose Bolton.

Half ironic question, what has he done so wrong, aside the Red Wedding? Sure, in that occasion he was a treacherous bastard and for that he deserved a far worse death than the one he got, but unlike for example Joffrey, did he ever remind you "yeah, this is why this traitor needs to die"? he was an intelligent reader of the chessboard of Westeros, every advice he gave to Ramsay was the best one and he was actively teaching him how to survive in the political landscape. He never threw tantrums or killed people just because, and he showed respect for Sansa and even Theon, never humiliating them, and there is no indication that he mistreated his wife, even though he has no shame in admitting he picked her for her size and consequent payment in gold.

The Red Wedding damns him even if he would single handedly stop the invasion of the White Walkers, but if he didn't take part in that, I would hardly even consider him a villain.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 12, 2016, 11:32:11 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 12, 2016, 11:28:11 AM
The focus on what happens in the North made me think a bit more about the late Roose Bolton.

Half ironic question, what has he done so wrong, aside the Red Wedding? Sure, in that occasion he was a treacherous bastard and for that he deserved a far worse death than the one he got, but unlike for example Joffrey, did he ever remind you "yeah, this is why this traitor needs to die"? he was an intelligent reader of the chessboard of Westeros, every advice he gave to Ramsay was the best one and he was actively teaching him how to survive in the political landscape. He never threw tantrums or killed people just because, and he showed respect for Sansa and even Theon, never humiliating them, and there is no indication that he mistreated his wife, even though he has no shame in admitting he picked her for her size and consequent payment in gold.

The Red Wedding damns him even if he would single handedly stop the invasion of the White Walkers, but if he didn't take part in that, I would hardly even consider him a villain.

I think that Roose provided quite the contrast to Ramsey, so I liked that he didn't have similar qualities to his bastard.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2016, 11:41:12 AM: Roose is pretty similar to Tywin, smart cunning leader who looks to do what's best for his family regardless of "right or wrong". Betraying Robb was wrong, but he was able to see how Robb's mistake of a wife was going to cost him. Just watch those scenes where Roose would be around Robb and Talisa. He gives such dirty looks because he knows how wrong of a decision that was so he takes his opportunity with Jamie to switch sides. Wrong and makes him a villian, but you can say he made the right choice for his survival. He has not shown other traits of being evil.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 12, 2016, 12:01:38 PM: I had no problem with Roose, overall. Yes, the Red Wedding was his major strike against him. However, how many of us here think Robb would have survived to begin with? He chopped of Rickard Karstark's head, which was a bit capricious if you ask me. I know what the Karstark did wrong, but I think Robb needed to understand politics better. He got a bit arrogant for his own good and it cost him. Don't forget his breaking the oath Catelyn made with Walder Frey. I think Roose was the northern equivalent of Tywin.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 12:58:02 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2016, 10:40:30 AM
No need for that. Especially since your point doesn't seem to hold, and everyone else agrees.
Whether or not my opinion holds in the majority's view is irrelevant. I got a misdirected (and somewhat condescending) comment and replied accordingly. I never said or even implied anything about "action scenes," so my conclusion was that what I said was completely misinterpreted by BlackInk, as in "went over his head," hence the picture I linked. No reason to keep arguing without a common frame of reference.

I stand by my point, the last episode was a filler with very few meaningful plot developments, simple as that. I don't see why that is such a controversial stance, but oh well. It wouldn't necessarily be a problem in and of itself, the plot's pacing isn't an indicator of how entertaining a show is, so no need to get hung up on that one particular aspect. My gripe is that Dany's, Ayra's and the High Sparrow's plotlines simply aren't entertaining to me at this point, and they take up a huge chunk of the show. I just wish they would get on with them already, instead of dragging them out like they do. I wanna see what's happening in Dorne instead, for instance. That's why the pacing bothers me. Over and out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2016, 01:00:42 PM: OK
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 12, 2016, 01:14:48 PM: Quote from: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2016, 10:40:30 AM
No need for that. Especially since your point doesn't seem to hold, and everyone else agrees.
Whether or not my opinion holds in the majority's view is irrelevant. I got a misdirected (and somewhat condescending) comment and replied accordingly. I never said or even implied anything about "action scenes," so my conclusion was that what I said was completely misinterpreted by BlackInk, as in "went over his head," hence the picture I linked. No reason to keep arguing without a common frame of reference.

I stand by my point, the last episode was a filler with very few meaningful plot developments, simple as that. I don't see why that is such a controversial stance, but oh well. It wouldn't necessarily be a problem in and of itself, the plot's pacing isn't an indicator of how entertaining a show is, so no need to get hung up on that one particular aspect. My gripe is that Dany's, Ayra's and the High Sparrow's plotlines simply aren't entertaining to me at this point, and they take up a huge chunk of the show. I just wish they would get on with them already, instead of dragging them out like they do. I wanna see what's happening in Dorne instead, for instance. That's why the pacing bothers me. Over and out.

I agree in regards to your impression of Dany's, Arya's, and the High Sparrow's plots. I'm not that excited with the whole scene of her being taken by the Dothraki. I feel like we've been there with them already, so why not try something else? It's just my opinion, so no need for anyone to get their feathers ruffled. I didn't enjoy reading Arya's chapters in the book during this time. I'm just hoping all of this slow build-up serves to bring us some fantastic end. The High Sparrow agitates me so I just wish someone would put him out of his misery or maybe let him indulge in life and get laid or something.

Where our opinions differ is that I think there has been a lot of excitement this season so far. I remember early on in season five feeling like it was really dragging and was hoping it was being built up towards something amazing, and it was. I don't feel that same slowness with season six. I feel much more excited by everything happening. I think Sam's scene was added in just so we didn't forget what was going on with him. I feel like once he gets to his hometown and then Old Town, we're going to see some interesting things. I'm really excited about him getting to Old Town.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 12, 2016, 01:24:02 PM: Quote from: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
My gripe is that Dany's, Ayra's and the High Sparrow's plotlines simply aren't entertaining to me at this point, and they take up a huge chunk of the show. I just wish they would get on with them already, instead of dragging them out like they do. I wanna see what's happening in Dorne instead, for instance. That's why the pacing bothers me. Over and out.
None of that has anything to do with plot advancements though. If the problem is that you're not finding it very interesting (which is fair enough and each to their own) then just say that. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 12, 2016, 01:26:29 PM: Quote from: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
I got a misdirected (and somewhat condescending) comment

No. You literally called all scenes filler except the one action scene. Based on the information you gave me, I made a perfectly reasonable assumption.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2016, 01:29:05 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 12, 2016, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2016, 10:40:30 AM
No need for that. Especially since your point doesn't seem to hold, and everyone else agrees.
Whether or not my opinion holds in the majority's view is irrelevant. I got a misdirected (and somewhat condescending) comment and replied accordingly. I never said or even implied anything about "action scenes," so my conclusion was that what I said was completely misinterpreted by BlackInk, as in "went over his head," hence the picture I linked. No reason to keep arguing without a common frame of reference.

I stand by my point, the last episode was a filler with very few meaningful plot developments, simple as that. I don't see why that is such a controversial stance, but oh well. It wouldn't necessarily be a problem in and of itself, the plot's pacing isn't an indicator of how entertaining a show is, so no need to get hung up on that one particular aspect. My gripe is that Dany's, Ayra's and the High Sparrow's plotlines simply aren't entertaining to me at this point, and they take up a huge chunk of the show. I just wish they would get on with them already, instead of dragging them out like they do. I wanna see what's happening in Dorne instead, for instance. That's why the pacing bothers me. Over and out.

I agree in regards to your impression of Dany's, Arya's, and the High Sparrow's plots. I'm not that excited with the whole scene of her being taken by the Dothraki. I feel like we've been there with them already, so why not try something else? It's just my opinion, so no need for anyone to get their feathers ruffled. I didn't enjoy reading Arya's chapters in the book during this time. I'm just hoping all of this slow build-up serves to bring us some fantastic end. The High Sparrow agitates me so I just wish someone would put him out of his misery or maybe let him indulge in life and get laid or something.

Where our opinions differ is that I think there has been a lot of excitement this season so far. I remember early on in season five feeling like it was really dragging and was hoping it was being built up towards something amazing, and it was. I don't feel that same slowness with season six. I feel much more excited by everything happening. I think Sam's scene was added in just so we didn't forget what was going on with him. I feel like once he gets to his hometown and then Old Town, we're going to see some interesting things. I'm really excited about him getting to Old Town.

I agree with a lot of this. I personally have found those three storylines to be the most uninteresting so far, but they all have had some progress of their stories and all have had some interesting parts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 12, 2016, 01:35:46 PM: There's definitely progress in most of the storylines this season. Only Sam's clip last week didn't overly impress me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2016, 01:38:01 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 12, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
There's definitely progress in most of the storylines this season. Only Sam's clip last week didn't overly impress me.

Yup, and like you said, I think that was just to remind us about those two and what they are up to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 12, 2016, 01:38:48 PM: A little comic relief, too. Poor Sam.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2016, 01:40:33 PM: What's great is when he get's home, if he meets his father, you know his father will continue to tell him he is a coward yet he is the only man to kill a White Walker and a Thenn. Pretty bad ass, but no one would believe that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 12, 2016, 01:46:46 PM: It should be a great scene when he meets his family. I think his father will look to insult him and then Gilly comes to his defense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 12, 2016, 02:44:51 PM: Plus, isn't his father Ian McShane? that alone is a bonus.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DragonAttack on May 12, 2016, 03:00:04 PM: For years, I've been following James Hibberd's Entertainment Weekly recaps.

The last episode was no exception

https://www.ew.com/recap/game-of-thrones-oathbreaker
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2016, 03:30:40 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 12, 2016, 02:44:51 PM
Plus, isn't his father Ian McShane? that alone is a bonus.

Not from my understanding. I think he is playing a different part. Septon Meribald
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 12, 2016, 03:36:08 PM: I was so excited when I heard that Ian McShane was going to be in the season. Then I found out it was essentially a quick bit part and I got really down :(. Such an amazing actor.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 06:14:58 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 12, 2016, 01:14:48 PM
I agree in regards to your impression of Dany's, Arya's, and the High Sparrow's plots. I'm not that excited with the whole scene of her being taken by the Dothraki. I feel like we've been there with them already, so why not try something else? It's just my opinion, so no need for anyone to get their feathers ruffled. I didn't enjoy reading Arya's chapters in the book during this time. I'm just hoping all of this slow build-up serves to bring us some fantastic end. The High Sparrow agitates me so I just wish someone would put him out of his misery or maybe let him indulge in life and get laid or something.

Where our opinions differ is that I think there has been a lot of excitement this season so far. I remember early on in season five feeling like it was really dragging and was hoping it was being built up towards something amazing, and it was. I don't feel that same slowness with season six. I feel much more excited by everything happening. I think Sam's scene was added in just so we didn't forget what was going is on with him. I feel like once he gets to his hometown and then Old Town, we're going to see some interesting things. I'm really excited about him getting to Old Town.
:tup

Quote from: ariich on May 12, 2016, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
My gripe is that Dany's, Ayra's and the High Sparrow's plotlines simply aren't entertaining to me at this point, and they take up a huge chunk of the show. I just wish they would get on with them already, instead of dragging them out like they do. I wanna see what's happening in Dorne instead, for instance. That's why the pacing bothers me. Over and out.
None of that has anything to do with plot advancements though. If the problem is that you're not finding it very interesting (which is fair enough and each to their own) then just say that. :lol
This is quickly starting to feel like the "But why male models?" scene from Zoolander.

Quote from: BlackInk on May 12, 2016, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: Sycsa on May 12, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
I got a misdirected (and somewhat condescending) comment

No. You literally called all scenes filler except the one action scene. Based on the information you gave me, I made a perfectly reasonable assumption.
Nope, but thanks for playing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 13, 2016, 08:24:23 PM: So finally got a chance to watch some of the extras on season 5 bluray and I always find them fascinating. The feature titled A day in the life is quite jaw dropping in terms of the enormous effort involved in creating the show. The fact they shoot in 3 countries at the same time with thousands and thousands of people involved is really crazy. The fact that every subsequent season gets bigger in scale is mind boggling. No wonder they want a shortened set of seasons to close out the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 14, 2016, 11:28:30 AM: Who would become King if Tommen were to be killed, which is something I see happening sooner rather than later? Here's an interesting article that goes into that discussion. What does everyone think?

https://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/13/game-of-thrones-theorycrafting-who-becomes-king-if-tommen-dies/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 14, 2016, 12:13:52 PM: Pardon me if I missed any speculation on this but since the Lannister's are obviously trying to plot something against the High Sparrow do you think he would allow himself to be killed as a distraction while his minions take out Tommen simultaneously?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2016, 12:40:54 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 14, 2016, 11:28:30 AM
Who would become King if Tommen were to be killed, which is something I see happening sooner rather than later? Here's an interesting article that goes into that discussion. What does everyone think?

https://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/13/game-of-thrones-theorycrafting-who-becomes-king-if-tommen-dies/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

This is something that I guess fans of the show thought about, but characters of the show didn't. Even though someone at court should bring up the question and provide also an answer, Tommen is young and all but so was Myrcella and she died, so the succession must be secured.

Robert Baratheon started his own dinasty (well, that lasted long), I don't know if you can go back to his ancestors since they never were kings to begin with. You can do this trick in a scenario where the Mad King dies but the rebellion is defeated so you can go "Ok, Targaryens are ruling since forever, lets' go back in time to find out some other heir, cousin or whatever", but you can't retro-actively consider the Barathon family a ruling one.

It's really a puzzle that has no answer, if at all, it opens a power vacum where everyone would claim the throne. The Tyrrels would probably suggest Margaery taking over until she remarries for example, but she's in prison.

I'd suggest that Littlefinger has a secret family tree certificate hidden somewhere to claim the throne by rights, if only he didn't have blatantly anything to do with Myrcella's death.

Quote from: orcus116 on May 14, 2016, 12:13:52 PM
Pardon me if I missed any speculation on this but since the Lannister's are obviously trying to plot something against the High Sparrow do you think he would allow himself to be killed as a distraction while his minions take out Tommen simultaneously?

I don't think that the end game of the High Sparrow is to kill Tommen, I think he would just be content to control him (as he's shown to try and basically manage to do in the last episode), so that in return the king would sanction everything the Faith Militants do. If push comes to shove they're ready to get violent, but I think their aim is just to re-estabilish their ways, not to politically rule.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 14, 2016, 12:46:53 PM: You're right as far as the manipulation goes. I just expect everything to be bittersweet in this show where we finally get to see the High Sparrow get his but he was actually one step of Cersei all along in killing her last child.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 07:07:48 PM: Finally!
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Post by: orcus116 on May 15, 2016, 07:59:19 PM: Ok, THAT was pretty badass.
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Post by: faizoff on May 15, 2016, 08:03:12 PM: I don't mean to go all fanboy but really I can't stop. That reunion was awesome as was the ending. Amazing episode again this season may just be my favorite one yet if it continues this way.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 08:03:22 PM: That first scene with Jon and Sansa was one of the awesomest scenes. When that door opened at Castle Black and I saw Sansa coming through I got goosebumps. Since season 1 we've been waiting for Starks to see each other again.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 15, 2016, 08:08:09 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 15, 2016, 08:03:12 PM
Amazing episode again this season may just be my favorite one yet if it continues this way.

My landlord who has read the books was saying that this season was his favorite so far which took me by surprise but he likes that they're exploring the territory that no one knows about yet. I'm enjoying it all the same but I've seen a lot of people going "that's it?" after episodes lately although it seems as if they're setting their expectations way too high.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 08:15:18 PM: I don't know what people are expecting. The two biggest characters, Jon and Daenerys, are breaking out, especially Jon. We finally had a Stark reunion after five seasons. Daenerys just proved again why she's a force to be reckoned with. Melisandre realizes that Jon is the prince that was promised. There is a LOT happening.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 15, 2016, 08:19:55 PM: I agree, I just think a lot of people are expecting constant action or something along those lines every single episode but that's just a guess. I would agree that some of the storylines have gotten stale but the show has so many things going on that there is always something that is interesting.
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Post by: faizoff on May 15, 2016, 08:31:32 PM: I'm not going to comment on what people are expecting and what they like, it's bound to happen that people aren't going to like things.

The Dany story finally got super interesting as I did have a thought that she'll convince the Dothraki to side with her somehow and get them to Westeros just wasn't sure how that would happen but I guess the setup with the sons of Harpy burning the ships and Dany being taken away to Vaes Dothrak made it possible and I thought it was a great ruse to get their support.

I was sad there was no Bran or Arya this episode but having little finger return was great. Him getting the Vale joining with the Frey to fight Ramsay is another great setup I can't wait to see how that unfolds. I smell a chance the Frey finally pay for the red wedding. Then again how would the Frey fight against the Boltons since it was with Roose that helped them. Maybe things change with Roose being dead. I was sad to see Osha go I really liked her character.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 15, 2016, 09:49:18 PM: I am detecting another gigantic battle episode like the one at the Wall, but in like... two or three places at once.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 09:59:41 PM: Or are the Wildlings, Stark allies from the north, and the Knights of the Vale all going to descend on the Boltons at once?
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Post by: Adami on May 15, 2016, 10:02:02 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 09:59:41 PM
Or are the Wildlings, Stark allies from the north, and the Knights of the Vale all going to descend on the Boltons at once?

Well, it looks like Snow has the wildlings already. And the promo showed Sansa back talking to Balish, so I assume they're there (at least in part) to recruit them. I just want to see a giant step on Ramsay.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 15, 2016, 10:13:28 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2016, 10:02:02 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 09:59:41 PM
Or are the Wildlings, Stark allies from the north, and the Knights of the Vale all going to descend on the Boltons at once?

Well, it looks like Snow has the wildlings already. And the promo showed Sansa back talking to Balish, so I assume they're there (at least in part) to recruit them. I just want to see a giant step on Ramsay.

I was expecting it to take the rest of the season to get coordinated. Then again, I guess we're almost halfway.

And while I get the appeal in a squashed Ramsay, I think it's time Sansa got the chance to win for a change.
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Post by: Adami on May 15, 2016, 10:18:51 PM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 15, 2016, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2016, 10:02:02 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 09:59:41 PM
Or are the Wildlings, Stark allies from the north, and the Knights of the Vale all going to descend on the Boltons at once?

Well, it looks like Snow has the wildlings already. And the promo showed Sansa back talking to Balish, so I assume they're there (at least in part) to recruit them. I just want to see a giant step on Ramsay.

I was expecting it to take the rest of the season to get coordinated. Then again, I guess we're almost halfway.

And while I get the appeal in a squashed Ramsay, I think it's time Sansa got the chance to win for a change.

True, I just like the idea of taking someone (who is obviously going to die) that has been built up so much in how many people want him dead, and just give him a meaningless death.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 15, 2016, 10:40:14 PM: Another kickass episode, tremendous season so far!
That Daenerys plan though.. 20% plan 80% luck I'd say. It must have went something like:
Daario: So you know for sure they'll all be there for that meeting with you?
Daenerys: No.
Jorah: But you know for sure that it will be an indoor meeting?
Daenerys: No.
Daario: However you know for sure the fire in that place will be on stands and not on the walls?
Daenerys: No.
Jorah: Is there a plan B?
Daenerys: No.
Daario: Sounds like plan A is tight, good luck Khaleesi.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 10:42:21 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2016, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 15, 2016, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2016, 10:02:02 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 15, 2016, 09:59:41 PM
Or are the Wildlings, Stark allies from the north, and the Knights of the Vale all going to descend on the Boltons at once?

Well, it looks like Snow has the wildlings already. And the promo showed Sansa back talking to Balish, so I assume they're there (at least in part) to recruit them. I just want to see a giant step on Ramsay.

I was expecting it to take the rest of the season to get coordinated. Then again, I guess we're almost halfway.

And while I get the appeal in a squashed Ramsay, I think it's time Sansa got the chance to win for a change.

True, I just like the idea of taking someone (who is obviously going to die) that has been built up so much in how many people want him dead, and just give him a meaningless death.

Hard to believe after next week's episode we'll already be at the midpoint of the season. I am going to take a wild guess and say that the sixth book will be out before next season. I have hopes that the book will go further into the story than the current season does. That being said, does anyone think that the episodes have been focusing more on the Stark and Targaryen sides because they're showing opposing sides making their moves?
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Post by: BlackInk on May 16, 2016, 05:41:49 AM: Yeah, truly great episode once again. Sansa-Jon reunion was probably my favorite just because how long we've been waiting for something like that. The ending was great too.

Quote from: faizoff on May 15, 2016, 08:31:32 PM
Him getting the Vale joining with the Frey to fight Ramsay is another great setup I can't wait to see how that unfolds. I smell a chance the Frey finally pay for the red wedding.

I think he just meant "join the fray", as in "join the fight". I don't think Walder Frey will have anything to do with it.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 05:49:12 AM: That last scene at the wall which was sort of like a small council meeting was awesome.

What I really liked about that episode was the merging of characters into locations.

The Wall currently has a nice group of people all together for the first time, Jon, Tormund, Sansa, Melisandre, Davos, Brienne, Pod.... 2000 wildings. The scene with Brienne and Melisandre was awesome and the look on Davos face when she said she killed Stannis!

Dany and her boys meet up again. Got to say, those guys finding her was pretty much pointless, but that last scene with her coming out of the fires was awesome. Sort of similar to previous seasons where she would free the slaves, looks like her army just got huge.

7 years to end slavery.. I wonder if they will get the 7 years time or Dany comes back and just takes over again with her rule. Watching Tyrion do his thing is fun, but I wonder what the real meaning of those negotiations turns out to be.

Littlefinger continues his plotting and scheming. He has little John in the back of his hand, that kid is easily swayed by toys. Actually was surprised he supporting saving Sansa since he didn't seem to really like her much. As for LF's last line about entering the Fray, was that a subtle hint of involvement of the Freys? The Freys would be on the Bolton side from the Red Wedding, but we haven't seen or heard of them since.

The scene from the Iron Islands, another meeting of characters again, was less interesting. Nice to see Theon support his sister, but where was Euron? Looks like next week is the Kingsmoot.

The small council meeting in Kings Landing was interesting again, looks like we got some plot advancement there and a plan for taking down the Faith Militant, everyone's got skin in the game there (besides Pycelle that is).

Another slow scene with the High Sparrow and we get to see Margery and Loras. I think one or both could be dead by the end of the season.

Oh.. and "the pink letter" from Ramsay, sounds like Shaggydog made a nice rug!
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 05:54:21 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 16, 2016, 05:41:49 AM
Yeah, truly great episode once again. Sansa-Jon reunion was probably my favorite just because how long we've been waiting for something like that. The ending was great too.

Quote from: faizoff on May 15, 2016, 08:31:32 PM
Him getting the Vale joining with the Frey to fight Ramsay is another great setup I can't wait to see how that unfolds. I smell a chance the Frey finally pay for the red wedding.

I think he just meant "join the fray", as in "join the fight". I don't think Walder Frey will have anything to do with it.

You're exactly right.

Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 05:49:12 AM

Littlefinger continues his plotting and scheming. He has little John in the back of his hand, that kid is easily swayed by toys. Actually was surprised he supporting saving Sansa since he didn't seem to really like her much. As for LF's last line about entering the Fray, was that a subtle hint of involvement of the Freys? The Freys would be on the Bolton side from the Red Wedding, but we haven't seen or heard of them since.

Oh.. and "the pink letter" from Ramsay, sounds like Shaggydog made a nice rug!

You said little John. Did you mean Robin? He is Robin on the show but Robert in the books because he was named for Robert Baratheon.

Like BlackInk said, fray doesn't mean the Freys. Fray means battle or conflict or fight, etc.

It was nice to finally see the pink letter though. :)
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Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 06:00:11 AM: Meant Robin lol but that comment about Fray while I didn't take it to mean the freys, seemed like it could be a way of the writers sneaking a hint in that the Freys will be involved and should be involved since they are in Winterfell in the books
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Post by: BlackInk on May 16, 2016, 06:09:20 AM: After this episode it suddenly feels like all sides are gearing up for war. Knowing this show it will probably take a while though. And this is all for the lesser war. There's still the bigger one coming, I just wonder if only ~13 more episode will have time for it all. I mean obviously they've thought things through, just thinking 13 is a small number for all the things that still need to happen. Not to mention Tyrion and Dany still being in Meereen which is really really far away, and they don't really look like they're about to leave immediately.

Also, Tormund looking at Brienne like that was hilarious.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 06:16:05 AM: I am pretty sure the show is going to be more than 7 seasons. Wait...where did you get 13 episodes from? There are 16 left if it only goes seven seasons.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 06:16:42 AM: Why do you say 13? If we assume next season is the last (I can't see that being the case anymore) then shouldn't that be 16 more episodes?
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Post by: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 06:28:29 AM: D&D said they want S7 to be seven episodes and S8 to be six episodes. They plan to wrap this up in 13 more episodes after S6 but nothing is set in stone yet.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 16, 2016, 06:45:36 AM: there were a lot of complaints from the room at the end of that ep, but I thought it was fantastic.

someone said it, but the converging of different characters is awesome.

Interested to see what kinda bullshit Cersei and Jamie have cooking. Same with Littlefinger... I don't want another backstab from him, that would just be so fucking annoying. It would be cool if after 6 seasons we finally got some #justiceforNed and Littlefinger bit the dust. or snow.

Bastardbowl confirmed!!
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 16, 2016, 06:48:43 AM: Another amazing episode. My wife and I cheered when Sansa was reunited with John. I can't wait to see where all of this going. It looks like it's going to be the wildlings & the knights of the vale vs. the Boltons and the other turn coat houses of the North. I'm curious about Tyrions plot line right now. I'm enjoying it but for the first time in the show he doesn't seem important to the end game. It will be interesting to see where his story leads.

My wife and I were discussing who we hated more: Joffrey or Ramsey. They are both fantastic villains but I think I still hate Joffrey more just because Ramsey seems plain crazy while Joffrey was just a spoiled asshole.

If they stick to the 13 more episodes I think it's plausible to tie everything up. There are still 6 episodes left of this season and I'm guessing that a lot of stuff will be concluded by the end of this season. The battle of the North. The battle of the Faith vs. the Crown. I'm also guessing Danny will begin her trip west by the end.

And Tormund is my favorite "minor" character on the show.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 06:49:52 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 06:28:29 AM
D&D said they want S7 to be seven episodes and S8 to be six episodes. They plan to wrap this up in 13 more episodes after S6 but nothing is set in stone yet.

Now that you mention it, I do remember them saying they wanted to do truncated seasons for the last ones.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2016, 06:59:35 AM: *Yawn* Yet another boring episode with no advancement of plot.
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Post by: faizoff on May 16, 2016, 07:03:09 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 16, 2016, 05:41:49 AM
Yeah, truly great episode once again. Sansa-Jon reunion was probably my favorite just because how long we've been waiting for something like that. The ending was great too.

Quote from: faizoff on May 15, 2016, 08:31:32 PM
Him getting the Vale joining with the Frey to fight Ramsay is another great setup I can't wait to see how that unfolds. I smell a chance the Frey finally pay for the red wedding.

I think he just meant "join the fray", as in "join the fight". I don't think Walder Frey will have anything to do with it.

That's correct, I rewatched that scene and sure enough that's what it meant.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 07:04:36 AM: :corn
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Post by: faizoff on May 16, 2016, 07:06:14 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on May 16, 2016, 06:48:43 AM
And Tormund is my favorite "minor" character on the show.

Same here, I love that character.
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Post by: Podaar on May 16, 2016, 08:40:28 AM: Goddamnit, Hef!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2016, 08:41:04 AM: Quote from: Podaar on May 16, 2016, 08:40:28 AM
Goddamnit, Hef!
lol
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2016, 11:14:12 AM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 16, 2016, 06:45:36 AM
Bastardbowl confirmed!!
OMG yes
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Post by: masterthes on May 16, 2016, 11:52:56 AM: I think the Tullys are supposed to be joining up as well, and I thought I heard there was going to be some sort of payback with the Freys, so we'll have to wait and see. Also, a tidbit for the men, that was not a body double at the end
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Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 12:14:19 PM: Quote from: masterthes on May 16, 2016, 11:52:56 AM
Also, a tidbit for the men, that was not a body double at the end

I was curious about that :lol
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Post by: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:18:58 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 15, 2016, 10:40:14 PM
That Daenerys plan though.. 20% plan 80% luck I'd say. It must have went something like:
Daario: So you know for sure they'll all be there for that meeting with you?
Daenerys: No.
Jorah: But you know for sure that it will be an indoor meeting?
Daenerys: No.
Daario: However you know for sure the fire in that place will be on stands and not on the walls?
Daenerys: No.
Jorah: Is there a plan B?
Daenerys: No.
Daario: Sounds like plan A is tight, good luck Khaleesi.

Nailed it. :lol

Yeah, if I just think about the show as unrelated to the books and consider it just an entertainment (so that the facts like Theon getting to Iron Islands from someplace north of Winterfell with scarce provisions, if any, only a horse and no money in two damn episodes, or the fact Jon never asks about Arya when it should've been one of the first things he asked Sansa about, or the sheer plot convenience in that final Dany scene), it was an alright episode.

Tormund reactions were totally hilarious. :lol

Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 16, 2016, 11:52:56 AM
Also, a tidbit for the men, that was not a body double at the end

I was curious about that :lol

Well Emilia said she didn't want to do any gratitious nude scenes but she was willing to do nude scenes if she felt the plot demanded that. Wonder why her hair didn't burn though.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 12:27:08 PM: I thought it was a body double considering her stance against doing nude scenes a few years back, but I guess she felt it was important to give us something new to fap over. Though, I have to say that even though she was dirty as all hell, Margaery still looked pretty good for a filthy person. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 12:38:41 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
Yeah, if I just think about the show as unrelated to the books and consider it just an entertainment (so that the facts like Theon getting to Iron Islands from someplace north of Winterfell with scarce provisions, if any, only a horse and no money in two damn episodes, or the fact Jon never asks about Arya when it should've been one of the first things he asked Sansa about, or the sheer plot convenience in that final Dany scene), it was an alright episode.

And it looks like LF makes his way up north next episode from the trailer (looks like he has a scene with Sansa and it is snowy). It's crazy how quickly people travel in this show now compared to when it first started, but it's TV and I can't make a big deal about people just making there way to places if the plot doesn't need to detail what happens along those journeys.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 16, 2016, 12:42:03 PM: Totally think it was the right decision to go nude for that final scene. Any of the alternatives would not have been as impactful. Like, if she still had clothes everyone would ask why the clothes didn't burn, or if she was naked, but the camera kept reluctantly avoid those parts. Any of those two would have damaged the power of the scene, so I'm glad she agreed to that.

Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
or the fact Jon never asks about Arya when it should've been one of the first things he asked Sansa about

I got the feeling they had been talking a while once we see them again eating soup. It seemed that Jon had already told Sansa about the whole being murdered thing, so I think they covered that stuff already. The fault then might be that they didn't show us that, but I did get the feeling they had already caught up some.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 12:43:51 PM: But Sansa hardly knows anything about Arya either so I agree, they likely spoke off screen but that conversation is not so important to the plot at this point IMO
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 12:49:56 PM: I would imagine the conversation in the book would last longer and we'd probably get a more detailed exchange.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 16, 2016, 12:50:55 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 12:38:41 PM
Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
Yeah, if I just think about the show as unrelated to the books and consider it just an entertainment (so that the facts like Theon getting to Iron Islands from someplace north of Winterfell with scarce provisions, if any, only a horse and no money in two damn episodes, or the fact Jon never asks about Arya when it should've been one of the first things he asked Sansa about, or the sheer plot convenience in that final Dany scene), it was an alright episode.

And it looks like LF makes his way up north next episode from the trailer (looks like he has a scene with Sansa and it is snowy). It's crazy how quickly people travel in this show now compared to when it first started, but it's TV and I can't make a big deal about people just making there way to places if the plot doesn't need to detail what happens along those journeys.
Catelyn decided to go to King's Landing from Winterfell in her last scene in Season 1 Episode 2, and showed up in King's Landing in her first scene of Season 1 Episode 3. She also made some other impressive journeys such as from Robb's camp somewhere in the Riverlands to the Stormlands and then back, across enemy lines, pretty quickly. The show always had pretty fast travel between episodes when it wanted, and it can be a little jarring when someone shows up somewhere you don't expect them, but I think it's ultimately for the best. You just have to assume that a certain amount of time passes between episodes; the show has been pretty vague about the timeline of events (as GRRM is in his books, he doesn't like pinning things down with exact numbers as I don't think he is very good at that) but I think it's meant to feel as though it has been quite a few years since the beginning (to account for child actors growing up and such), unlike the books where it has all happened within two years.
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Post by: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:55:16 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 12:38:41 PM
Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
Yeah, if I just think about the show as unrelated to the books and consider it just an entertainment (so that the facts like Theon getting to Iron Islands from someplace north of Winterfell with scarce provisions, if any, only a horse and no money in two damn episodes, or the fact Jon never asks about Arya when it should've been one of the first things he asked Sansa about, or the sheer plot convenience in that final Dany scene), it was an alright episode.

And it looks like LF makes his way up north next episode from the trailer (looks like he has a scene with Sansa and it is snowy). It's crazy how quickly people travel in this show now compared to when it first started, but it's TV and I can't make a big deal about people just making there way to places if the plot doesn't need to detail what happens along those journeys.

Oh well, I haven't watched the preview. Will do so now.

Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
But Sansa hardly knows anything about Arya either so I agree, they likely spoke off screen but that conversation is not so important to the plot at this point IMO

I really can't take this serious. Old Nan's pies and the good soup aren't important to the plot, Jon's bond with Arya is obviously more important to the plot than that small talk they had. Sansa knows Arya is alive, Jon doesn't. (mild ADWD spoilers) Jon is willing to go to some great length for Arya in ADWD (even though it ends up being Alys Karstark), and here he doesn't even ask about his most beloved sibling. Not buying the whole "happened offscreen" excuse here one bit.

Quote from: RuRoRul on May 16, 2016, 12:50:55 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 12:38:41 PM
Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
Yeah, if I just think about the show as unrelated to the books and consider it just an entertainment (so that the facts like Theon getting to Iron Islands from someplace north of Winterfell with scarce provisions, if any, only a horse and no money in two damn episodes, or the fact Jon never asks about Arya when it should've been one of the first things he asked Sansa about, or the sheer plot convenience in that final Dany scene), it was an alright episode.

And it looks like LF makes his way up north next episode from the trailer (looks like he has a scene with Sansa and it is snowy). It's crazy how quickly people travel in this show now compared to when it first started, but it's TV and I can't make a big deal about people just making there way to places if the plot doesn't need to detail what happens along those journeys.
Catelyn decided to go to King's Landing from Winterfell in her last scene in Season 1 Episode 2, and showed up in King's Landing in her first scene of Season 1 Episode 3. She also made some other impressive journeys such as from Robb's camp somewhere in the Riverlands to the Stormlands and then back, across enemy lines, pretty quickly. The show always had pretty fast travel between episodes when it wanted, and it can be a little jarring when someone shows up somewhere you don't expect them, but I think it's ultimately for the best. You just have to assume that a certain amount of time passes between episodes; the show has been pretty vague about the timeline of events (as GRRM is in his books, he doesn't like pinning things down with exact numbers as I don't think he is very good at that) but I think it's meant to feel as though it has been quite a few years since the beginning (to account for child actors growing up and such), unlike the books where it has all happened within two years.

Yeah, like Myrcella being in Dorne "for years", Fat Walda getting pregnant and giving birth for a boy while Gilly's son is still a baby at this point. But hey, I agree the timeline inconsistencies were there from the very beginning. The jokes about LF's teleport machine started up in Season 2 I think.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 16, 2016, 01:26:17 PM: I liked episode 4, another good one. The only questionable parts for me were Osha's death (it was a good enough death scene for her, but I just wonder if they need to keep going so far with Ramsay being uber successful now that he is Warden of The North) and Danaerys' ending scene. Honestly I thought it was pretty lame. I obviously just don't enjoy "Dany is a badass" stuff as much as some people seem to, and honestly while I was willing to forgive some of the Season 4 / 5 criticisms of her acting due to the writing and being stuck in Meereen (which doesn't seem to lead to good scenes for even some of the best characters and actors), I think Emilia Clarke's acting is pretty weak. Danaerys and the dragons have led to some of the best triumphant moments of the series; the birth of dragons at the end of season 1 and the sack of Astapor in season 3 episode 4 are excellent. But the "Mhysa" ending and this bit just felt a bit like forced attempts to repeat those moments that fell flat for me.

Also, while I'm not going to try to argue that "Danaerys isn't immune to fire, GRRM said the birth of dragons was a particular special event" since the show already foreshadowed Danaerys surviving the fire with her not being burned by the dragon egg or hot water (which I think was a good move for the show)... I still think it would be better if her resistance to fire was a more mysterious, somewhat mystical quality rather than a literal, mundane invulnerability that can be exploited at will for practical purposes. Now that it's reestablished "No, she is completely immune to fire even if there is no deep significance to the event or ritualistic trappings, she just can't be burnt dude!", I'm going to find myself noticing scenarios where she could just tactically exploit this invincibility to solve problems.

That's not even mentioning that the plan seemed a bit poor as has been pointed out in this thread :lol: Not sure why the show didn't have her escape and earn Dothraki followers by having Drogon arrive... as it stands I'm not really sure why the rest of the Dothraki would follow her after that anyway; weird woman kills the Khals by starting a fire and isn't burned by it seems more likely to make the rest of the warriors think "Witch!" and try to kill her (we saw how much they liked Mirri Maz Duur in season 1). A woman mounted upon a dragon (who can also fuck things up with fire) seems much more likely to earn the loyalty of a culture which "follows strength" and is deeply connected to their horses as mounts ("A Khal who cannot ride is no Khal").

But yeah, it was a great episode apart from not being too impressed by the Danaerys stuff. I was glad we got a longer one this time, though I was a little disappointed when I realised the last part was going to be spent on Danaerys when I wondered if we might be seeing the Kingsmoot at the Iron Islands. Hopeful for that in the next couple of episodes.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 16, 2016, 01:55:45 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
I really can't take this serious. Old Nan's pies and the good soup aren't important to the plot, Jon's bond with Arya is obviously more important to the plot than that small talk they had.

It's not like the soup was the point of the scene, their small talk lead into the "take back Winterfell" talk. Showing Jon ask a hundred questions about Arya would take up too much time. Whether you're okay with that or not is fine, but I just don't consider that we didn't see him ask about her to be a problem since it's clear that they had already been talking a while and we entered the conversation later so that we could see them talk about Winterfell.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 01:58:50 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
I really can't take this serious. Old Nan's pies and the good soup aren't important to the plot, Jon's bond with Arya is obviously more important to the plot than that small talk they had.

*Sansa
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 16, 2016, 02:03:00 PM: Good episode! Nice to finally see a Stark reunion after all this time.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 16, 2016, 02:57:32 PM: Only in the year of Di Caprio winning an Oscar we could get a Stark reunion :biggrin:

When I saw Sansa arriving I was immediately like "Omg omg they're gonna meet! a Stark reunion for the first time!!!" and I agree that they surely had a long intense talk, it would have taken the whole episode having the two catching up, both with their crazy stories.

" 'sup dude?"
"Well, joined the Watch, went north of the Wall, came back after pretending to have joined the wildlings, got elected Lord Commander and I got stabbed to death. Seriously. That red chick brought me back. And you?"
"Got almost married to Joffrey, got to witness dad die, been treated like shit for years, got freed of Joffrey and got married to Tyrion instead, then I was made an unknown accomplice in the murder of Joffrey, got to the Vale, our crazy aunt got crazy on me but she ehm killed herself, then I was married to a sadistic torturer and here I am".

Boy, what a reunion.

The rest was a bit slow (Damn Osha nooooooo!!!!!!), but the final scene was awesome. This was the most badass Dany moment after the glorious "Dracarys" one. :metal Yeah, it's a bit over the top, and so much for GRRM's explanation "Targaryens do burn, Dany's survival of the funeral pyre was a miracle", but I love how she comes up with these wild gambles and she wins it by the old ancient rule of "KILL IT WITH FIRE", exactly how she did when taking over the Unsullied. And Jorah wanting to kneel but still not resisting taking a closer look at her boobs, ha! :biggrin:

And I'm torn over the High Sparrow. On one hand, he shamed Cersei and he's portrayed by a terrific actor. On the other hand, he's a religious bigot and as such he needs to disappear. What if the brilliant plan of Cersei and Jaimie goes awry and in the chaos that ensues Tommen is killed, maybe even by (relative) accident or as a very unwanted consequence? maybe Lancel could do him in, in a show where everyone suffer Kevan would witness his son kill his nephew, the king.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2016, 03:12:25 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 16, 2016, 02:57:32 PM
Yeah, it's a bit over the top, and so much for GRRM's explanation "Targaryens do burn, Dany's survival of the funeral pyre was a miracle", but I love how she comes up with these wild gambles and she wins it by the old ancient rule of "KILL IT WITH FIRE", exactly how she did when taking over the Unsullied. And Jorah wanting to kneel but still not resisting taking a closer look at her boobs, ha! :biggrin:

I agree, the reaction is over the top. The show made this clear in season 1 episode 1 that Dany does not burn by going into the steaming hot bath with no reaction, also in season 1 by grabbing the dragon eggs from the fire. GRRM may say in the books, it's a one time miracle and that's fine, but the show has always been different about this.
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Post by: Accelerando on May 16, 2016, 03:43:05 PM: That Stark reunion was great!
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 04:31:23 PM: So, let's see who in the north is still loyal to the Starks. The Karstarks obviously aren't. Who else do we have?
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Post by: Accelerando on May 16, 2016, 05:04:45 PM: House Forrester if the TellTale video game is canon
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 05:11:02 PM: Do you play that game?
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Post by: Progmetty on May 16, 2016, 09:44:47 PM: A couple of nods for actors on the last episode:
- As usual Iwan Rheon is boss, just an amazing actor with whom the character grew from someone I thought was going to be a sideshow guest spot back when he was torturing Theon to the psychotic villain who is now the "big bad" in north Westeros. In this episode there's a pretty cool moment when he's trying to scare Osha by talking about his banner and what it means so she asks him "Do you eat them after?", he says no so she goes "Then I've seen worse" and he has this big smile on his face as like a kid with a new toy since his sadistic nature hasn't been tested or pushed in a while, at least since his girlfriend died, real well done Rheon.
- Yara Grejoy/Gemma Whelan's scenes this season have been pretty great, I like how when she was standing by the fire place she really looked like her dad, even when she yelled at Theon it was like she was doing an impression of him.
- Sansa/Sophie Turner's face as she ran to embrace Jon Snow :tup
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Post by: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 10:47:27 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 01:58:50 PM

Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
I really can't take this serious. Old Nan's pies and the good soup aren't important to the plot, Jon's bond with Arya is obviously more important to the plot than that small talk they had.

*Sansa

Uh, no, I meant exactly what I wrote.

And if Telltale video game is canon, House Forrester is mostly defeated at this point I think. The show time-frame right now is past the game's time-frame. But I don't think the game is canon anyway.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 05:37:18 AM: I don't think most of the northern houses matter in the show, if they haven't been talked about then I don't think they get included at this point, such as House Forrester.

I think we see the Manderlays and that's it besides The Umbers and Karstarks. Not basing this on anything than my own feelings.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 17, 2016, 05:44:36 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 10:47:27 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 16, 2016, 01:58:50 PM

Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
I really can't take this serious. Old Nan's pies and the good soup aren't important to the plot, Jon's bond with Arya is obviously more important to the plot than that small talk they had.

*Sansa

Uh, no, I meant exactly what I wrote.

And if Telltale video game is canon, House Forrester is mostly defeated at this point I think. The show time-frame right now is past the game's time-frame. But I don't think the game is canon anyway.

A misunderstanding on my part. You left it as one sentence so I assumed the soup and pies were referring to the discussion with Sansa.
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Post by: Evermind on May 17, 2016, 05:49:51 AM: Well, they had some Manderly guy on the show - he was killed at the Red Wedding and had absolutely no lines, but he wore a mermaid pin and D&D confirmed it was one of Manderly sons I think, so there's that.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 17, 2016, 06:00:39 AM: From the North, off the top of my head, you have Umber, Karstark, Mormont, Forrester, Manderly, Glover, Hornwood, Cerwyn, Cassel, and Reed. Is the Reed house big? Don't forget the secret that House Reed, or one specific member, knows. I don't know how big any of those houses are, but just because they haven't been mentioned thoroughly doesn't mean they won't play a part. Obviously we know certain ones, such as Mormont, are irrelevant, but I would imagine there are others we haven't considered.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 06:06:26 AM: The show has limited resources and a large enough cast as it is which is why I doubt they start adding northern houses that play little to know serious role that can't just be combined to a couple houses.

Forgot about Reed. We saw Howland for the first time (albeit a young Howland) so maybe they do play a role as well. I would hope so, we even were shown how Howland is Meera's father. I doubt they mention all of this if that family doesn't play a role, but I guess it's possible that role is mostly in flashbacks via Bran.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 17, 2016, 06:11:31 AM: We're six books into the series, so I doubt we'll add anymore major houses, so we have to assume Jon Snow's support comes from somewhere else. He won't take back Winterfell with just the wildlings and we know the Karstarks are no longer loyal to the Starks, unless of course something happens and Jon goes to convince them otherwise. That's always a possibility. Maybe he can strike a deal and use the viciousness of Ramsay to his advantage. I would think that anyone who is loyal to the Boltons at this point are well aware of how unhinged Ramsay is. If he's willing to kill his father and baby brother to get what he wants, he won't stop at anything.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 17, 2016, 06:27:45 AM: Saw this online this morning

(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/9A163DEE-4A98-4B23-B838-72224D3A476B_1.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/9A163DEE-4A98-4B23-B838-72224D3A476B_1.jpg.html)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 17, 2016, 07:06:57 AM: lol

I don't think there's any coming back from that.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 17, 2016, 08:12:22 AM: I'm a bit disappointed with Arya getting her eyes back, books and show both. When she lost her eyes was a really cool and "oh shit" moment. And it sort of lessens that impact. My bandmate theorized that she'd be like a GoT Daredevil, which I agree would be really cool.

Besides, this is visually quite awesome:

(https://s32.postimg.org/bjpeazs5x/arya.png)
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 17, 2016, 08:29:15 AM: For "showwatchers" The big "shocks" at the end of season 5 was Jon's death and Arya's blindness. Compare that to season one where Ned was killed and Brandon was crippled. The consequences of the first few seasons were real and final, where the "shocks" as of late are quickly reversed a mere couple of episodes later.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 17, 2016, 09:04:35 AM: ... Or the show/books are all about the slow rise of the Starks to face Dany. Since they are!
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 17, 2016, 09:17:36 AM: Quote from: Evermind on May 16, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
Well Emilia said she didn't want to do any gratitious nude scenes but she was willing to do nude scenes if she felt the plot demanded that. Wonder why her hair didn't burn though.
When they call her 'The Unburnt', they're talking about her hair.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 17, 2016, 10:02:45 AM: Something I'm also sad we didn't get to see, and basically never get to see, is someone reacting to the White Walkers being real.

"Hey Sansa, you know those absolutely horrible ghost stories we were told about the White Walkers that everything think are old myths? Yeah they're real, and they're coming here with an army of zombies to destroy the world."
"Oh shit, better eat some soup then."

I would love for people to start acknowledging that, and am looking forward to a time where people will have to. Like, how would Ramsey react to that? Or Tyrion? Or freakin' Cercei? Cercei and the White Walkers are such different storylines that it would be very weird to see her actually dealing with the issue. If any of them is still alive by then.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 10:50:46 AM: I'm actually more upset that we didn't get a convo between Jon and Sansa about his experience in Hardhome. I think that is way more important than Sansa's unknowledgeable update on Arya. I sense we will get more convos about this later.

Also, as for Cersei's reaction to white walkers, I'd imagine it will be similar to her reaction about the dragons.
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Post by: Evermind on May 17, 2016, 11:07:31 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
I'm actually more upset that we didn't get a convo between Jon and Sansa about his experience in Hardhome. I think that is way more important than Sansa's unknowledgeable update on Arya. I sense we will get more convos about this later.

Also, as for Cersei's reaction to white walkers, I'd imagine it will be similar to her reaction about the dragons.

Well, I'm just a big fan of Jon's bond with Arya in the books, so naturally that's what I wanted to see. :biggrin: And while it might be less important for watchers and the plot, it should be actually very important to Jon.

I agree about Hardhome point though.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 17, 2016, 11:25:23 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
I'm actually more upset that we didn't get a convo between Jon and Sansa about his experience in Hardhome. I think that is way more important than Sansa's unknowledgeable update on Arya. I sense we will get more convos about this later.

Also, as for Cersei's reaction to white walkers, I'd imagine it will be similar to her reaction about the dragons.

Yeah, based on the conversation shown they must have already talked about a lot of stuff. Sansa asked Jon "Where will you go?" so she obviously knows he plans to leave Castle Black which presumably means that the whole "I was killed" probably came up.

It'd be nice to see Jon get some news about Arya, but Sansa with her "She went missing when I was captured and I knew nothing about what happened to her, then recently this woman I met told me that some indeterminate amount of time ago she saw Arya wandering around, but immediately lost her so we still have no idea where she is" iknowledge sn't exactly the best person to deliver it. Considering the other important stuff that Jon and Sansa could actually be shown talking about on screen, I'm fine with Arya updates being left off screen.

Saw this image about Jon and Sansa's conversation I thought was pretty funny:
https://imgur.com/a/dSYCJ
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Post by: BlackInk on May 17, 2016, 11:45:04 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Also, as for Cersei's reaction to white walkers, I'd imagine it will be similar to her reaction about the dragons.

Yeah, but everyone knows dragons are/were real. They've only been believed dead for like hundred years. White Walkers are 8000 years gone into history, and are a much bigger threat than the dragons. So unquestionable evidence that they're coming back would probably be a bigger deal than the dragons.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 11:49:53 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 17, 2016, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Also, as for Cersei's reaction to white walkers, I'd imagine it will be similar to her reaction about the dragons.

Yeah, but everyone knows dragons are/were real. They've only been believed dead for like hundred years. White Walkers are 8000 years gone into history, and are a much bigger threat than the dragons. So unquestionable evidence that they're coming back would probably be a bigger deal than the dragons.

My point was more that she didn't care or seem alarmed at all about Dragons in Essos that are aiming for the iron throne. White Walkers north of the wall that havent been seen in whatever amount of time would make me think she would care even less. Also, when Tyrion returns to Kings Landing in Season 2 and tells Cersei about his visit to the wall, she also mocks him. I forget the line, but something about tales and not being real.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2016, 11:53:36 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Also, as for Cersei's reaction to white walkers, I'd imagine it will be similar to her reaction about the dragons.

She'd probably ask for wine.

Quote from: RuRoRul on May 17, 2016, 11:25:23 AM
Saw this image about Jon and Sansa's conversation I thought was pretty funny:
https://imgur.com/a/dSYCJ

Haha, indeed!

Anyway, a thought: We, the viewers, will see through Bran's flashback the Tower of Joy scene, which most likely will confirm what has been speculated for years all along. If that will happen, we'll see also Howland Reed being there, so what if once Winterfell is taken by the anti-Ramsay league and hopefully Rickon makes out of it alive, they all go "Whee we have a Stark now! and Jon is a half Stark as well" or something, and then Howland goes "Well, since we're talking about it"...

Or even better, as cliched as it may be, something along the lines of "Rickon can have Winterfell and rule it... after all, I'm only a bastard" and Howland going "Well, he can have Winterfell... but you can have the Seven Kingdoms". That would be a nice way to end the season ;D
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Post by: Evermind on May 17, 2016, 12:00:21 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 17, 2016, 11:53:36 AM
Anyway, a thought: We, the viewers, will see through Bran's flashback the Tower of Joy scene, which most likely will confirm what has been speculated for years all along. If that will happen, we'll see also Howland Reed being there, so what if once Winterfell is taken by the anti-Ramsay league and hopefully Rickon makes out of it alive, they all go "Whee we have a Stark now! and Jon is a half Stark as well" or something, and then Howland goes "Well, since we're talking about it"...

Or even better, as cliched as it may be, something along the lines of "Rickon can have Winterfell and rule it... after all, I'm only a bastard" and Howland going "Well, he can have Winterfell... but you can have the Seven Kingdoms". That would be a nice way to end the season ;D

No offense, but this sounds like a total cheese-fest to be honest. :biggrin:
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Post by: BlackInk on May 17, 2016, 12:07:44 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 17, 2016, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Also, as for Cersei's reaction to white walkers, I'd imagine it will be similar to her reaction about the dragons.

Yeah, but everyone knows dragons are/were real. They've only been believed dead for like hundred years. White Walkers are 8000 years gone into history, and are a much bigger threat than the dragons. So unquestionable evidence that they're coming back would probably be a bigger deal than the dragons.

My point was more that she didn't care or seem alarmed at all about Dragons in Essos that are aiming for the iron throne. White Walkers north of the wall that havent been seen in whatever amount of time would make me think she would care even less. Also, when Tyrion returns to Kings Landing in Season 2 and tells Cersei about his visit to the wall, she also mocks him. I forget the line, but something about tales and not being real.

I didn't mean when someone she doesn't care about comes telling tales. I meant more if the time comes when she has to deal with the fact that it's real, when she can't mock it away and has to face that reality.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2016, 12:52:00 PM: I know, but she still might, as MirrorMask said, she might ask for wine :lol

Quote from: Evermind on May 17, 2016, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 17, 2016, 11:53:36 AM
Anyway, a thought: We, the viewers, will see through Bran's flashback the Tower of Joy scene, which most likely will confirm what has been speculated for years all along. If that will happen, we'll see also Howland Reed being there, so what if once Winterfell is taken by the anti-Ramsay league and hopefully Rickon makes out of it alive, they all go "Whee we have a Stark now! and Jon is a half Stark as well" or something, and then Howland goes "Well, since we're talking about it"...

Or even better, as cliched as it may be, something along the lines of "Rickon can have Winterfell and rule it... after all, I'm only a bastard" and Howland going "Well, he can have Winterfell... but you can have the Seven Kingdoms". That would be a nice way to end the season ;D

No offense, but this sounds like a total cheese-fest to be honest. :biggrin:

I actually kind of like it. Makes sense in storytelling way. Maybe the Reeds save Winterfell too, in a surprisingly fashion, and boom here is this new character who is actually pretty important who shares the news with everyone since the timing would be right.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 17, 2016, 08:53:20 PM: Wait so Howland Reed is alive? For some reason I thought he died before the events of the show started. Where is he?!
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 17, 2016, 09:11:18 PM: I'm assuming he's hangin with the crannogmen waiting for the right time.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 05:44:48 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 17, 2016, 08:53:20 PM
Wait so Howland Reed is alive? For some reason I thought he died before the events of the show started. Where is he?!

Looks like he took a nice wound in that flashback scene, but as of now there is no reason to think he died.

He still has to father Meera and Jojen.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 06:14:08 AM: Just read this theory on what the High Sparrow told Tommen in secrecy last episode

https://time.com/4337568/game-of-thrones-theory-high-sparrow-tommen-secret/ (https://time.com/4337568/game-of-thrones-theory-high-sparrow-tommen-secret/)

The obvious thought when watching that scene was that the High Sparrow told Tommen about his parentage, but maybe not and actually this makes a lot of sense.
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 18, 2016, 06:22:16 AM: There is a rumor floating around that Tommen begins to side with the Faith and the Mountain offs him. Personally, I hope this turns out to be true since we all know he's going to die at some point it would be great to see him die because of Cersei's choices.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 18, 2016, 07:58:56 AM: Why would Loras know about Joffrey? Margaery herself didn't until Olenna straight out told her. I wouldn't be surprised if neither Mance knows about it.

After all the Purple Wedding was all in benefit of Margaery, it's not that the political situation of the Tyrell changed, Margaery was still to be queen to a blonde "Baratheon" kid.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 08:09:56 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 18, 2016, 07:58:56 AM
Why would Loras know about Joffrey? Margaery herself didn't until Olenna straight out told her. I wouldn't be surprised if neither Mance knows about it.

After all the Purple Wedding was all in benefit of Margaery, it's not that the political situation of the Tyrell changed, Margaery was still to be queen to a blonde "Baratheon" kid.

And Margery is close to Loras, it's possible she told him. It's possible Olenna told him, he is the leading knight of their family. It's all just theory so who knows. Loras did look awful in that cell, way worse than Cersei or Margery ever did IMO. May not mean anything though. Also, I firmly believe Mance knows none of this, he is an idiot :lol
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Post by: Evermind on May 18, 2016, 11:27:55 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 18, 2016, 07:58:56 AM
Why would Loras know about Joffrey? Margaery herself didn't until Olenna straight out told her. I wouldn't be surprised if neither Mance knows about it.

After all the Purple Wedding was all in benefit of Margaery, it's not that the political situation of the Tyrell changed, Margaery was still to be queen to a blonde "Baratheon" kid.

And Margery is close to Loras, it's possible she told him. It's possible Olenna told him, he is the leading knight of their family. It's all just theory so who knows. Loras did look awful in that cell, way worse than Cersei or Margery ever did IMO. May not mean anything though. Also, I firmly believe Mance knows none of this, he is an idiot :lol

Yeah, I mean, he was burned at the Wall in previous season. :neverusethis:
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 11:50:00 AM: :lol Mace, Mance :facepalm:
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 18, 2016, 11:59:58 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 06:14:08 AM
Just read this theory on what the High Sparrow told Tommen in secrecy last episode

https://time.com/4337568/game-of-thrones-theory-high-sparrow-tommen-secret/ (https://time.com/4337568/game-of-thrones-theory-high-sparrow-tommen-secret/)

The obvious thought when watching that scene was that the High Sparrow told Tommen about his parentage, but maybe not and actually this makes a lot of sense.

Or it would be more than one thing, especially if Loras was purging himself. Let's not forget that Lancel had some pretty damaging information as well. Much too prudish to be high Sparrow could have ambushed Tommen with deprave details about his family.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 12:42:31 PM: The High Sparrow has the inside scoop on all the drama in Kings Landing. Should host a reality TV show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 18, 2016, 12:47:17 PM: Yeah, who's that gay guy who hosts all of those Real Housewives things? I forgot his name. It could be Late Night Dirt (pun intended) With The High Sparrow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 12:51:31 PM: This is sad that I know this, Andy Cohen. My ex was obsessed with his show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 18, 2016, 12:56:46 PM: So was mine. The drama on those shows is like hanging out here on the DT-side.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 18, 2016, 01:21:45 PM: Some new photos from this Sunday's episode.

https://watchersonthewall.com/new-photos-game-thrones-season-6-episode-5-door/#more-65311
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 18, 2016, 01:42:04 PM: damn I can't wait until this Sunday.

I have to say the best part of Game Of Thrones is that there doesn't seem to be any filler episodes. The 10 episode format is perfect, keeps the show nice and tight.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 18, 2016, 01:49:25 PM: And I think there's so much more intrigue this season because we don't know what's going to happen. There's no book to refer to. There might be a few events, but for the most part, everyone is in the dark.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 02:04:36 PM: Quote from: ReaperKK on May 18, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
damn I can't wait until this Sunday.

I have to say the best part of Game Of Thrones is that there doesn't seem to be any filler episodes. The 10 episode format is perfect, keeps the show nice and tight.

Part of me wishes there actually was some filler. Like more dialogue and back story because there is just so much to the world that probably doesn't relate to the story, but is still interesting. But in general, I agree, the show does a really good job of trimming the fat and keeping things moving. Although last season was a bit slow, but we are getting the payoff these first few episodes.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 18, 2016, 02:53:11 PM: I want a bottle episode of Tyrion and Varys bickering with each other.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2016, 07:27:48 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 02:04:36 PM
Part of me wishes there actually was some filler. Like more dialogue and back story because there is just so much to the world that probably doesn't relate to the story, but is still interesting.

Get this book, The World of Ice & Fire (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-world-of-ice-fire-george-r-r-martin/1119641178?ean=9780553805444). It's ridiculously awesome, and also ridiculously heavy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2016, 07:31:45 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2016, 07:27:48 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 18, 2016, 02:04:36 PM
Part of me wishes there actually was some filler. Like more dialogue and back story because there is just so much to the world that probably doesn't relate to the story, but is still interesting.

Get this book, The World of Ice & Fire (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-world-of-ice-fire-george-r-r-martin/1119641178?ean=9780553805444). It's ridiculously awesome, and also ridiculously heavy.

I have it :biggrin: I haven't finished it though, it's huge and beautiful and very interesting. Totally recommended for anyone who wants to learn more about the history of the world of Ice and Fire :tup
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2016, 07:38:07 AM: It's a fantastic book. Took me forever to finish it.

It's neat how, the further you go in it, as he talks about points further and further to the east in this world, there are more and more references to the works of HP Lovecraft.

Wait, that's it! *SPOILER ALERT*

The finale involves Cthulu showing up and just killing fucking everybody - humans, dragons, White Walkers, everybody.

Flawless.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 20, 2016, 08:44:24 AM: Yeah, that book was great.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 20, 2016, 12:54:46 PM: I was thinking about purchasing it. I saw it in B & N and the angels were shining down on it. It's a lot of information. It reads like The Silmarillion and The History Of Middle Earth 12 volume series.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 20, 2016, 03:49:09 PM: Just got caught up with the show. This season is good so far. Man, Ramsay Bolton needs to die in a suitable horrible way. I hope they have something special in mind for him. :biggrin:

I'm glad Daenerys' capture by the Dothraki hasn't lasted too long. I thought at one point it may have bogged the season down. She needs to get back to Westeros and do some conquerin'!

For those of you like myself, that have read all the books, do you think watching the show will make you *less* likely to buy the rest of the books when they eventually come out? I think I'll still pick them up, but I need to refresh myself on where the last book left off.

BTW, my favourite (minor) character from the book, Beric Dondarrion has hardly featured in the show at all. :sad:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2016, 04:31:37 PM: The show has no impact on my excitement for the next book. So many differences and so much more depth to the books to not make me want to read it even if I know the ending. I didn't read the books until after season 2 so I've already experienced this on some level.

I do wonder if we see the brotherhood without banners again.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 20, 2016, 05:45:56 PM: Since you mentioned the Brotherhood, I was thinking of some other characters that have disappeared and/or "died".

Syrio Forel - they don't say he dies in the book. And if you listen closely in the show, the first thing you hear fall to the ground is a metal sword, not the wooden one. I know it's a stretch, but there's a theory that Jaqen H'ghar is also Syrio.

Benjen Stark - Is he dead? A White Walker? I thought it was him at the end of Season 2 when Sam is sitting behind that rock and one of the Walkers looks at him.

Gendry - his arms must be tired

Sandor (The Hound) - Is he really dead?

Since Marc mentioned them, Brotherhood Without Banners - Do they serve a greater purpose as they do in the books? Or are they done?

I think that's it for now. Are there any others?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 21, 2016, 03:33:17 AM: I think the Brotherhood is probably done, as the show didn't give them too much weight. Shame. Same with Syrio Forel - I think his time is done.

I'd love for the Hound not to be dead, but to come back for a final showdown with his brother. There's no love lost there, and maybe The Hound is the only one that can defeat The Mountain. That would be cool, but probably unlikely to happen.

The other obvious one I thought of, when thinking back over the books is Catelyn Stark. Her story was intertwined with the Brotherhood, so maybe that means we won't see her again either?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2016, 06:06:39 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on May 21, 2016, 03:33:17 AM
I'd love for the Hound not to be dead, but to come back for a final showdown with his brother. There's no love lost there, and maybe The Hound is the only one that can defeat The Mountain. That would be cool, but probably unlikely to happen.

I actually think this is likely. Cersei's going to have a trial by combat which will be The Mountain for her and the Faith will have to choose someone. The Hound could be that person if he survived. One of his last lines in the show was something like "Im going to die unless there is a maester behind that bush" and who knows, maybe there is since Arya didn't kill him. CleganeBowl is the name of this theory.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 21, 2016, 07:51:19 AM: I was watching one of the Comic-con panels with the Game of Thrones actors. Someone asked a question regarding a certain character that reappears at the end of book 3 due to a wolf we thought to be gone also. The way they reacted to not being able to talk about it made it seem like they were hiding something. Maybe they were just doing a good job of keeping it mysterious but I felt like it was something in the back of their minds at the time and then just eventually wound up doing away with the idea.

Here's the clip. It happens at the 42:30 mark.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 21, 2016, 11:50:39 AM: I think you forgot to add the link, but I think I can guess what you're talking about.. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 21, 2016, 10:48:20 PM: Well, fuck. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfgCpkHW1IE
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 22, 2016, 02:28:10 AM: :lol

Wow, they shut that guy down pretty quickly! I would love to see that part of the story, er, resurrected in some way. ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 07:47:59 AM: I have some theories that have been thrown around. Some of you might have heard them, but since I love discussing these books so fervently, I'm going to throw them here and let them stir in the pot for a bit.

The theory that the Umbers are tricking Ramsay Bolton. One reason is because I think "The North Remembers" and that the loyalty between the Starks and their friends would not dissolve so easily. Also, that head that was supposed to be Shaggy Dog's is wayyy too small. In the books Shaggy Dog is the biggest of the direwolves, so what do you think?

The three heads of the dragon - I know this has been discussed here before, or at least mentioned. So let's say two of the heads are Daenerys and Jon Snow. Would the third be Tyrion (which would follow along with the theory that he is really a Targaryen) OR is the Targaryen that is revealed in book 5 really a Targaryen?

The Valonqar - This has been discussed before but I'm bringing it up again. Since the Valonqar part of Maggie's prophecy is not mention in the show, I will put the rest of this in small font. There are three choices: Tyrion, Jaime, or Sandor Clegane.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2016, 09:11:40 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 07:47:59 AM
I have some theories that have been thrown around. Some of you might have heard them, but since I love discussing these books so fervently, I'm going to throw them here and let them stir in the pot for a bit.

The theory that the Umbers are tricking Ramsay Bolton. One reason is because I think "The North Remembers" and that the loyalty between the Starks and their friends would not dissolve so easily. Also, that head that was supposed to be Shaggy Dog's is wayyy too small. In the books Shaggy Dog is the biggest of the direwolves, so what do you think?

The three heads of the dragon - I know this has been discussed here before, or at least mentioned. So let's say two of the heads are Daenerys and Jon Snow. Would the third be Tyrion (which would follow along with the theory that he is really a Targaryen) OR is the Targaryen that is revealed in book 5 really a Targaryen?

The Valonqar - This has been discussed before but I'm bringing it up again. Since the Valonqar part of Maggie's prophecy is not mention in the show, I will put the rest of this in small font. There are three choices: Tyrion, Jaime, or Sandor Clegane.

I think the Umber's betrayal is very possible. BUT the show almost made it seem too obvious that they were playing the Boltons that maybe they really aren't :lol. The last episode that showed Ramsay talk about the Shaggydog rug and then killing Osha made it seem less likely the Umbers are BSing the Boltons. Lots of book stuff so small we go...

In the books it is the Manderlys who are betraying the Boltons. I still think it's possible they are the ones to do the same in the show. And maybe the Umbers swap allegiance after the Manderlys start working with Jon to take down the Boltons.

Three heads to the dragon, I think the third is either Tyrion of it is Bran who can warg into one. I don't believe in Aegon.

The Valonqar I think may be Jaimie. It points to Tyrion being likely, but I feel Jaimie may end up being the one who does it because it fits his story arc more than Tyrion who already killed a family member.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 11:49:18 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 07:47:59 AM
I have some theories that have been thrown around. Some of you might have heard them, but since I love discussing these books so fervently, I'm going to throw them here and let them stir in the pot for a bit.

The theory that the Umbers are tricking Ramsay Bolton. One reason is because I think "The North Remembers" and that the loyalty between the Starks and their friends would not dissolve so easily. Also, that head that was supposed to be Shaggy Dog's is wayyy too small. In the books Shaggy Dog is the biggest of the direwolves, so what do you think?

The three heads of the dragon - I know this has been discussed here before, or at least mentioned. So let's say two of the heads are Daenerys and Jon Snow. Would the third be Tyrion (which would follow along with the theory that he is really a Targaryen) OR is the Targaryen that is revealed in book 5 really a Targaryen?

The Valonqar - This has been discussed before but I'm bringing it up again. Since the Valonqar part of Maggie's prophecy is not mention in the show, I will put the rest of this in small font. There are three choices: Tyrion, Jaime, or Sandor Clegane.

I think the Umber's betrayal is very possible. BUT the show almost made it seem too obvious that they were playing the Boltons that maybe they really aren't :lol. The last episode that showed Ramsay talk about the Shaggydog rug and then killing Osha made it seem less likely the Umbers are BSing the Boltons. Lots of book stuff so small we go...

In the books it is the Manderlys who are betraying the Boltons. I still think it's possible they are the ones to do the same in the show. And maybe the Umbers swap allegiance after the Manderlys start working with Jon to take down the Boltons.

Three heads to the dragon, I think the third is either Tyrion of it is Bran who can warg into one. I don't believe in Aegon.

The Valonqar I think may be Jaimie. It points to Tyrion being likely, but I feel Jaimie may end up being the one who does it because it fits his story arc more than Tyrion who already killed a family member.

I like the logic you give behind Jaime being the Valonqar. He wants to redeem himself, I believe. He's such a good villain because of his cunning and demeanor that he would be such a great addition to being a hero instead. I think Tyrion eventually comes back to Westeros and to avoid Cersei having him killed, Jaime steps in. However, the Sandor being alive theory is very possible and if he were to get involved with and win the trial by combat, then Cersei would be put to death. He was the younger Clegane brother.

Why don't you believe Aegon is a true Targaryen?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2016, 02:06:19 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 07:47:59 AM
I have some theories that have been thrown around. Some of you might have heard them, but since I love discussing these books so fervently, I'm going to throw them here and let them stir in the pot for a bit.

The theory that the Umbers are tricking Ramsay Bolton. One reason is because I think "The North Remembers" and that the loyalty between the Starks and their friends would not dissolve so easily. Also, that head that was supposed to be Shaggy Dog's is wayyy too small. In the books Shaggy Dog is the biggest of the direwolves, so what do you think?

The three heads of the dragon - I know this has been discussed here before, or at least mentioned. So let's say two of the heads are Daenerys and Jon Snow. Would the third be Tyrion (which would follow along with the theory that he is really a Targaryen) OR is the Targaryen that is revealed in book 5 really a Targaryen?

The Valonqar - This has been discussed before but I'm bringing it up again. Since the Valonqar part of Maggie's prophecy is not mention in the show, I will put the rest of this in small font. There are three choices: Tyrion, Jaime, or Sandor Clegane.

I think the Umber's betrayal is very possible. BUT the show almost made it seem too obvious that they were playing the Boltons that maybe they really aren't :lol. The last episode that showed Ramsay talk about the Shaggydog rug and then killing Osha made it seem less likely the Umbers are BSing the Boltons. Lots of book stuff so small we go...

In the books it is the Manderlys who are betraying the Boltons. I still think it's possible they are the ones to do the same in the show. And maybe the Umbers swap allegiance after the Manderlys start working with Jon to take down the Boltons.

Three heads to the dragon, I think the third is either Tyrion of it is Bran who can warg into one. I don't believe in Aegon.

The Valonqar I think may be Jaimie. It points to Tyrion being likely, but I feel Jaimie may end up being the one who does it because it fits his story arc more than Tyrion who already killed a family member.

I like the logic you give behind Jaime being the Valonqar. He wants to redeem himself, I believe. He's such a good villain because of his cunning and demeanor that he would be such a great addition to being a hero instead. I think Tyrion eventually comes back to Westeros and to avoid Cersei having him killed, Jaime steps in. However, the Sandor being alive theory is very possible and if he were to get involved with and win the trial by combat, then Cersei would be put to death. He was the younger Clegane brother.

Why don't you believe Aegon is a true Targaryen?

Isnt there also a prophecy on a false person?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 02:26:58 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2016, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 07:47:59 AM
I have some theories that have been thrown around. Some of you might have heard them, but since I love discussing these books so fervently, I'm going to throw them here and let them stir in the pot for a bit.

The theory that the Umbers are tricking Ramsay Bolton. One reason is because I think "The North Remembers" and that the loyalty between the Starks and their friends would not dissolve so easily. Also, that head that was supposed to be Shaggy Dog's is wayyy too small. In the books Shaggy Dog is the biggest of the direwolves, so what do you think?

The three heads of the dragon - I know this has been discussed here before, or at least mentioned. So let's say two of the heads are Daenerys and Jon Snow. Would the third be Tyrion (which would follow along with the theory that he is really a Targaryen) OR is the Targaryen that is revealed in book 5 really a Targaryen?

The Valonqar - This has been discussed before but I'm bringing it up again. Since the Valonqar part of Maggie's prophecy is not mention in the show, I will put the rest of this in small font. There are three choices: Tyrion, Jaime, or Sandor Clegane.

I think the Umber's betrayal is very possible. BUT the show almost made it seem too obvious that they were playing the Boltons that maybe they really aren't :lol. The last episode that showed Ramsay talk about the Shaggydog rug and then killing Osha made it seem less likely the Umbers are BSing the Boltons. Lots of book stuff so small we go...

In the books it is the Manderlys who are betraying the Boltons. I still think it's possible they are the ones to do the same in the show. And maybe the Umbers swap allegiance after the Manderlys start working with Jon to take down the Boltons.

Three heads to the dragon, I think the third is either Tyrion of it is Bran who can warg into one. I don't believe in Aegon.

The Valonqar I think may be Jaimie. It points to Tyrion being likely, but I feel Jaimie may end up being the one who does it because it fits his story arc more than Tyrion who already killed a family member.

I like the logic you give behind Jaime being the Valonqar. He wants to redeem himself, I believe. He's such a good villain because of his cunning and demeanor that he would be such a great addition to being a hero instead. I think Tyrion eventually comes back to Westeros and to avoid Cersei having him killed, Jaime steps in. However, the Sandor being alive theory is very possible and if he were to get involved with and win the trial by combat, then Cersei would be put to death. He was the younger Clegane brother.

Why don't you believe Aegon is a true Targaryen?

Isnt there also a prophecy on a false person?

I don't recall. It's something to look into.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 22, 2016, 02:43:20 PM: If they were fooling him, don't you think they might have protected Osha?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 22, 2016, 02:53:24 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTJEZXtr94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTJEZXtr94)

I thought this was awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 22, 2016, 03:32:29 PM: Quote from: masterthes on May 22, 2016, 02:43:20 PM
If they were fooling him, don't you think they might have protected Osha?

Wouldn't protecting her make him suspicious? Ramsey always seems to be very perceptive or he's paranoid and gets lucky.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2016, 03:47:37 PM: Would any of you book readers out there want to take the time out to explain these things to me? I see/read it a lot and am curious...

Who is Maggie and what was her prophecy?

What is the theory or story behind Valongar?

What is the three heads to the Dragon theory/story?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 05:29:45 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
Would any of you book readers out there want to take the time out to explain these things to me? I see/read it a lot and am curious...

Who is Maggie and what was her prophecy?

What is the theory or story behind Valongar?

What is the three heads to the Dragon theory/story?

Maggie was a fortuneteller from Lannisport. Here are the prophecies as taken from the books.

Cersei's queenship
A younger, more beautiful queen will be Cersei's undoing.
“    Cersei: When will I wed the prince?
Maggy: Never. You will wed the king.
Cersei: I will be queen, though?
Maggy: Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.[3]    ”

Cersei's children
Cersei will outlast her children and die by the hands of "the valonqar".

“    Cersei: Will the king and I have children?
Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.    ”

Melara's death
Melara will fall down a well, on the same night. The prophecy came true.

“    Melara: Will I marry Jaime?
Maggy: Not Jaime, nor any other man, Worms will have your maidenhead. Your death is here tonight, little one. Can you smell her breath? She is very close.

That should answer your first two questions. As far as the three-headed dragon, read these for a deeper explanation.

https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Prophecies/Entry/II_511_512_The_Dragon_Has_Three_Heads/
https://www.inquisitr.com/2369363/game-of-thrones-who-are-the-contenders-for-the-three-headed-dragon-prophecy/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2016, 05:47:30 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
Would any of you book readers out there want to take the time out to explain these things to me? I see/read it a lot and am curious...

Who is Maggie and what was her prophecy?

What is the theory or story behind Valongar?

What is the three heads to the Dragon theory/story?

Maggie was a fortuneteller from Lannisport. Here are the prophecies as taken from the books.

Cersei's queenship
A younger, more beautiful queen will be Cersei's undoing.
“    Cersei: When will I wed the prince?
Maggy: Never. You will wed the king.
Cersei: I will be queen, though?
Maggy: Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.[3]    ”

Cersei's children
Cersei will outlast her children and die by the hands of "the valonqar".

“    Cersei: Will the king and I have children?
Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.    ”

Melara's death
Melara will fall down a well, on the same night. The prophecy came true.

“    Melara: Will I marry Jaime?
Maggy: Not Jaime, nor any other man, Worms will have your maidenhead. Your death is here tonight, little one. Can you smell her breath? She is very close.

That should answer your first two questions. As far as the three-headed dragon, read these for a deeper explanation.

https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Prophecies/Entry/II_511_512_The_Dragon_Has_Three_Heads/
https://www.inquisitr.com/2369363/game-of-thrones-who-are-the-contenders-for-the-three-headed-dragon-prophecy/

Appreciate it :tup
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 06:08:10 PM: I wasn't trying to be lazy in regards to not typing it out. :lol I just figured it would be easier for you to read a couple of different sources. You can also go on YouTube. There are a plethora of videos explaining random theories. I spend so much time reading into these theories. It has me going back and re-reading the books. I'm folding the pages of anything that has something valuable towards a possible prediction. I'm such a geek. :blob:
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 22, 2016, 07:59:42 PM: Another absolutely amazing episode.

Hold the door...... :omg:
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 08:01:50 PM: Question. Who warged into Hodor in the past?
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 22, 2016, 08:12:58 PM: Answer: Brandon.

We now have a time-altering aspect of the show.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 08:16:59 PM: That was such a bizarre scene. I'm highly upset about Summer.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 22, 2016, 08:17:59 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 08:16:59 PM
That was such a bizarre scene. I'm highly upset about Summer.

For real. Not a fan of seeing the direwolfs continue to die....

A neat article with theories and such (damn the move quick) https://www.vox.com/2016/5/22/11722146/game-of-thrones-season-6-recap-hodor-dies-bran-time-travel
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 08:26:00 PM: That's some wild article. I'm not a fan of the whole time-altering thing, but we'll see just how much it plays a role in the upcoming episodes.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 08:56:48 PM: Okay, so Jon and the gang are heading to Riverrun. I have a couple of thoughts. They will have Melisandre with them. They'll be in Riverrun. Anyone else picking up on what I'm thinking? Secondly, They have to pass Greywater Watch on the way there. That's where Howland Reed is, no? What possibilities could occur if they happen to pass his city with Jon Snow with them? Maybe I'm reaching, but he DOES need to find out eventually and SHE still has a possibility of returning.
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Post by: DragonAttack on May 22, 2016, 09:28:46 PM: SHE has so not been mentioned, that I'd entirely forgotten about her. THAT would make for one hell of a family reunion.

They need to change the subtitle to 'all direwolves must die'.

As for the 'treeman' (or 'The Eggman' as my wife calls him). A little advice would have been nice, pal. The spears for one. Or 'don't let the Ice King' touch you', or 'don't touch my roots, you pervert, or you'll be sorry'.

We'll miss Max Von Sydow. A shame we never got to see him do something a bit 'mischievous' as when he played Ming the Merciless.

Now.....what to do with my Hodor tee shirt.......
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Post by: Accelerando on May 22, 2016, 10:03:26 PM: Hold the door :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 10:05:00 PM: I wish the book was out. We would have probably had so many more answers for things up to this point. I still wait to get that email saying the book is available for pre-order. First I'll run to the corner and rub one out, then I'll pre-order the most special edition they put out because you know they won't just release the damn book. There will be some kind of special edition with a poster or autographed something.
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Post by: Accelerando on May 22, 2016, 10:09:44 PM: So is the book already written and for some reason it's not being released, or...?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2016, 10:15:12 PM: Quote from: Accelerando on May 22, 2016, 10:03:26 PM
Hold the door :'( :'( :'(

Dude....I was legitimately near tears I felt so bad for young Willis :'(

I'm trying to wrap my head around this one. So, would this mean that Hodor knew the entire time what his fate was, and that's why he continually said it? When he'd freak out an rock back and forth was he reliving what had yet to happen? And, how did Bran warg into him when he was young, in a dream? That has some major potential to mess with things (or I guess it's already happened if it were to happen?)

Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on May 22, 2016, 08:17:59 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 08:16:59 PM
That was such a bizarre scene. I'm highly upset about Summer.

For real. Not a fan of seeing the direwolfs continue to die....

Yeah, this aspect really does suck. Does that just leave Ghost and Arya's wolf then?

And if the 'children' created the Wight Walkers then wouldn't they know how to defeat them? Why are people having to accidentally find out that Dragon Glass kills them?
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 10:27:16 PM: Well, it still remains to be seen that last week it was really Shaggy Dog's head. Like I mentioned above, he was the biggest of the direwolves, yet that head looked really small for even a regular size direwolf. Besides him, then we have Ghost and Nymeria.

****************************************

This dragon glass thing baffles me. You would think it was something the Three-Eyed Raven would have mentioned to them at some point. "So, yeah, you're going up against these White Walkers who can't be killed by steel or any other human weapon."

Three seasons later..

"Oh wait... you might want to stock up on any dragonglass or Valyrian Steel you come across because it's the only thing that CAN kill them."

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I don't think Bran can affect major outcomes. Like the article says, he can change certain events, but the outcome of those events would eventually happen another way. For example, he could stop his father's head from getting chopped off, but it would just happen at a later point. At least that's how I'm perceiving the article.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2016, 10:30:20 PM: Oh, by the way. I just read that the fifth episode leaked on the Internet earlier today. That's how that article was able to be put up so fast. :lol
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Post by: Progmetty on May 22, 2016, 11:48:45 PM: Kickass episode as usual.
Why didn't Sansa tell Jon about meeting Baelish? How would Jon even know who Baelish is?
Interesting development at the Iron Islands, it destroys a theory I had told my wife last week entailing that the upcoming battle of Winterfell will end with Ramsay Bolton captured and Sansa sending him to the Iron Islands as a present to Theon Greyjoy, oh well heh
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 23, 2016, 12:40:28 AM: I think she kept that a secret because she wants, more than anything, to get her revenge on Ramsay. If she told Jon, and everyone there, that the information came from Littlefinger, I doubt anyone would have trusted it. She feels empowered now. We know something is going to happen on the way to Riverrun or at Riverrun. Nothing goes easily in this show so I'm wondering what the snag will be.
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Post by: faizoff on May 23, 2016, 06:09:12 AM: Hodor :'(
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 23, 2016, 06:13:52 AM: What an emotional ending. Freaking Hodor man. Half way through the season and a TON has happened. I'm wondering why the Night King wants Bran and wanted to destroy the 3 eyed raven? I thought it was cool to find out that they were created by the children of the forest to protect the world from men, but with that being known why did they turn on them? So many questions!

Also, I get why Sansa wouldn't trust Peter at this point, but why would should turn away a big army. Why not use them to take over Winterfell and then use her power over Robyn to throw Peter through the moon door?

Still curious to see the end game for the Aria and Tyrion arcs. And where is Theon heading?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2016, 07:43:26 AM: Well, this season is moving quickly.

What a hell of an episode. So much knowledge.

I'm glad that Daenarys knows about Jorah's greyscale. Interesting way to deal with that. Not sure where he can go to find potential cures. Perhaps Asshai by the Shadow? (Which is also a source for dragonglass, BTW)

So long, Hodor. And at this point, I'm not sure what can stop the White Walkers (short of an army completed armed with dragonglass, or the dragons themselves).
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Post by: faizoff on May 23, 2016, 07:50:57 AM: This episode had a very similar feeling to last season's Hardome. Man what a freaking amazing season so far and yet we are at the half way point.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 23, 2016, 07:54:15 AM: I keep seeing names places but could someone help me and tell me who/what Blackfish and Benjen are and their current roles?

Also this doesn't have to do with anything but who saw the guy get resurrected with fire magic? I want to say it was Arya with the Hound but I can't remember.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2016, 08:03:06 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 23, 2016, 07:54:15 AM
I keep seeing names places but could someone help me and tell me who/what Blackfish and Benjen are and their current roles?
The Blackfish is Brynden Tully, the brother of Hoster Tully (the former lord of Riverrun) and the uncle of Catelyn Stark.

Benjen Stark is the brother of Eddard Stark, and uncle to the Stark children. He was First Ranger of the Night's Watch, but hasn't been seen since season 1 when he never returned from a ranging trip north of the Wall.

Quote from: orcus116 on May 23, 2016, 07:54:15 AM
Also this doesn't have to do with anything but who saw the guy get resurrected with fire magic? I want to say it was Arya with the Hound but I can't remember.
Yes, it was Arya.
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Post by: DragonAttack on May 23, 2016, 08:03:26 AM: (https://s2.quickmeme.com/img/bc/bcb13950da90cb15cdbb52805551735259c1b3c28ece768abf01a090936e8617.jpg)
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Post by: orcus116 on May 23, 2016, 09:15:04 AM: Thanks, hef. I'm usually good at remembering characters but as a non-book reader I'm not used to a lot of the side characters.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2016, 09:59:15 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 23, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
Thanks, hef. I'm usually good at remembering characters but as a non-book reader I'm not used to a lot of the side characters.
Yeah, the number of characters is near overwhelming.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 23, 2016, 12:38:50 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2016, 10:15:12 PM
I'm trying to wrap my head around this one. So, would this mean that Hodor knew the entire time what his fate was, and that's why he continually said it?

I don't think he knew, it was probably just burned into his brain and damaged him.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2016, 10:15:12 PM
And if the 'children' created the Wight Walkers then wouldn't they know how to defeat them? Why are people having to accidentally find out that Dragon Glass kills them?

They do know, and they did tell people, but last time that was needed until now was eight thousand years ago.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 23, 2016, 12:40:31 PM: Also, absolutely amazing episode. One of my favorites ever.

I thought the revelation that the children created the walkers was HUGE, I loved that. And the scene where Bran walks through the undead army was so damn freaky. This episode blew me away.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 23, 2016, 12:51:16 PM: I like how they made little to no effort to explain the Medusa-looking women with the three-eye raven to the viewers of the show, I didn't know what they were until last night's episode when I finally looked them up and found a lot of history.
I'm gonna stop reading fan theories since ultimately all the answers are in them one way or the other.
What's Baelish's end game here? To get everyone to go to war with Ramsay Bolton? Then what? Cause he can't possibly expect all the northern houses involved to submit to him after that..
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Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2016, 01:01:36 PM: Just watched. Awesome episode. So much is happening and while we are getting more info, it just leads to more questions.

Interesting that the episode that introduces time travel in a sense was a first GoT episode for director Jack Bender who happened to also direct the TV show Lost.

The children of the forest creation on the white walkers was really awesome and brings me to ask so many more questions. The escape from the cave was awesome. Sucks to see Hodor go, but that was one of the best deaths in the show. Truly heart moving. Meera killed a white walker!

Anyone else pick up on Jon calling them walkers :lol. I think LF may have been BSing Sansa about the Blackfish. I don't think the Freys would just let House Tully take back over Riverrun building an army. This info only came out of LF when he was threatened.

I liked how last we we were talking about the northern families and I mentioned that I didn't think we'd see or hear of the small houses because theres just so much.... yet they were all mentioned!

Seems likely that Jorah gets healed at some point.

The red priestess in Mereen also wears the same type of necklace. Wonder how old she is.

Any chance Benjen returns and saves Bran? Meera can't drag him very quickly and Im guessing the white walkers will be hunting him down now.
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Post by: faizoff on May 23, 2016, 01:01:58 PM: @Progmetty, You mean the children of the forest? They were mentioned in the season 4 finale.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2016, 01:17:50 PM: Also, on the after footage on hbogo, the show writers mentioned they say down with GRRM to get more details out of him and they said the "hold the door" was a huge revelation to them in that meeting. So that seems likely to be right from the books and maybe leads to more possibilities of this season not being that far off from where the books will be going.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 23, 2016, 01:28:54 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 23, 2016, 01:01:58 PM
@Progmetty, You mean the children of the forest? They were mentioned in the season 4 finale.

They may have been mentioned in that finame but there was no mention of that storyline for the entire fifth season so it makes some sense that some people wouldn't remember who they were.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2016, 01:34:32 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 23, 2016, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 23, 2016, 01:01:58 PM
@Progmetty, You mean the children of the forest? They were mentioned in the season 4 finale.

They may have been mentioned in that finame but there was no mention of that storyline for the entire fifth season so it makes some sense that some people wouldn't remember who they were.

Also, to be fair, no one knows much about them either as the world had thought they all died off. So even if you did't know what they were called, you aren't that far behind everyone else.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 23, 2016, 01:45:27 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 23, 2016, 01:01:58 PM
@Progmetty, You mean the children of the forest? They were mentioned in the season 4 finale.

Yeah I remember "children of the forest" being mentioned a few times here and there but I made no connection between the term and the creature who appeared suddenly without introduction.
Upon further research I found that it was indeed the very creature (https://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/child-of-the-forest.jpg) that rescued the Bran gang and brought them inside the raven's cave in season 4 but as you see she didn't look anything like the ones we're seeing now.
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Post by: Accelerando on May 23, 2016, 01:48:33 PM: I was actually wondering that myself. I just assumed it was one of the Children of the Forest
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 23, 2016, 04:17:07 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 23, 2016, 01:01:36 PM
Interesting that the episode that introduces time travel in a sense was a first GoT episode for director Jack Bender who happened to also direct the TV show Lost.

Anyone else pick up on Jon calling them walkers :lol. I think LF may have been BSing Sansa about the Blackfish. I don't think the Freys would just let House Tully take back over Riverrun building an army. This info only came out of LF when he was threatened.

The red priestess in Mereen also wears the same type of necklace. Wonder how old she is.

Any chance Benjen returns and saves Bran? Meera can't drag him very quickly and Im guessing the white walkers will be hunting him down now.

I hope the show doesn't overdo it with the time travel aspect.

I know I keep mentioning this plot line, but I'm still thinking she has a part to play since now we're talking about regrouping the North, but what if a certain someone is back in Riverrun and responsible for them rebuilding their army?

That red priestess is pretty damn gorgeous.

I still wonder if Benjen is alive out there. I mean, every major character that has been on the show has had their death officially confirmed on screen except for Benjen and The Hound.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 23, 2016, 05:04:54 PM: And Stannis, but I think Stannis is the exception personally, plus Brienne is honorable and said she killed him.

I think the character you are hinting at is definitely possible. Also, if Riverrun has an army, I do wonder what that means for the Brotherhood without Banners as well. Since these are all related... plus Brienne is headed to the Riverlands...
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 23, 2016, 05:20:12 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 23, 2016, 01:01:36 PM
Any chance Benjen returns and saves Bran? Meera can't drag him very quickly and Im guessing the white walkers will be hunting him down now.

This really seems like the only option to save them, there aren't any other allies that we know of on that side of the wall with the capabilities to save them. Maybe he's crafted a sword of Dragon glass? It'd be neat to see him again in that fashion....
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 23, 2016, 07:24:59 PM: Did Benjen get a mention in an episode recently? I feel like he has but I may just be getting it mixed up with something I read. It would be cool if he was the one to save them.

Tying in with that other fan theory that someone posted that is rumoured to have 'nailed' the ending, it would be interesting if Benjen has been making some sort of peace with the walkers all this time, seeing as he is a stark.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 23, 2016, 07:37:02 PM: Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 23, 2016, 07:24:59 PM
Did Benjen get a mention in an episode recently? I feel like he has but I may just be getting it mixed up with something I read.

Ollie was the most recent to mention him, he used the name to lure out Jon Snow to the Julius Caesar scene.
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Post by: faizoff on May 23, 2016, 07:40:42 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 23, 2016, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 23, 2016, 01:01:58 PM
@Progmetty, You mean the children of the forest? They were mentioned in the season 4 finale.

Yeah I remember "children of the forest" being mentioned a few times here and there but I made no connection between the term and the creature who appeared suddenly without introduction.
Upon further research I found that it was indeed the very creature (https://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/child-of-the-forest.jpg) that rescued the Bran gang and brought them inside the raven's cave in season 4 but as you see she didn't look anything like the ones we're seeing now.
I can see how it would throw people off, I actually liked the character look in the S4 finale, the child of the forest looks like a botox job gone bad in this season.
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Post by: FracturedMirror on May 23, 2016, 07:47:34 PM: Supposed cast list for the next episode:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4283054/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

Potential spoiler there, with a character "beyond the wall".
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 23, 2016, 07:54:07 PM: ooh. HBO confirmed? Could be a troll.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 23, 2016, 11:57:21 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 23, 2016, 07:37:02 PM
Quote from: sneakyblueberry on May 23, 2016, 07:24:59 PM
Did Benjen get a mention in an episode recently? I feel like he has but I may just be getting it mixed up with something I read.

Ollie was the most recent to mention him, he used the name to lure out Jon Snow to the Julius Caesar scene.

Benjen also got a mention this season, during Bran's first flashback to Winterfell. And even though no one said his name, he was also in the latest episode. Both as a kid though.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 24, 2016, 05:45:50 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 23, 2016, 05:04:54 PM
And Stannis, but I think Stannis is the exception personally, plus Brienne is honorable and said she killed him.

I think the character you are hinting at is definitely possible. Also, if Riverrun has an army, I do wonder what that means for the Brotherhood without Banners as well. Since these are all related... plus Brienne is headed to the Riverlands...

Brienne said that she executed Stannis, so we have that confirmation.

What if they do run into the Brotherhood and they find out Jon was brought back by Melisandre. That should be interesting. So much could happen on the road going there because you know it's not just going to be a simple excursion there and back.

Quote from: FracturedMirror on May 23, 2016, 07:47:34 PM
Supposed cast list for the next episode:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4283054/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

Potential spoiler there, with a character "beyond the wall".

I see we have the Tarlys and like you said a "Brother Beyond the Wall" played by the same actor as...

No Jon Snow or any of that group listed. We have a wait another whole week for an update on their travels. grrr
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Post by: cramx3 on May 24, 2016, 06:53:13 AM: Wow that kind of sucks if HBO spoiled it with the cast.

So the Wall was built by Bran the Builder (makes you start to wonder who this Bran was?) with the help of the Children of the Forest. Does the wall have the same magical ability as the cave did to not let white walkers pass? Is it possible the White Walkers push Bran to cross the wall and that is how the White Walkers are able to pass through?
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 24, 2016, 09:20:12 AM: Last episode broke me emotionally. Bad.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 24, 2016, 01:54:14 PM: Can I just say Tormund and Briennes scene! :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/zUVaQat.gif)
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Post by: Progmetty on May 24, 2016, 01:57:35 PM: I'd like to see that intense sex scene!
Or do I.. :justjen
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Post by: home on May 24, 2016, 02:37:26 PM: Why Hodor? If anyone deserves not to die....

:'(
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 24, 2016, 03:11:01 PM: Didn't someone posted a link a while back to a fan theory about Hodor that proved correct? I swear I have read already the "Hold the door" connection, but maybe it was in reference to the Tower of Joy flashback.

So... the Children of the Forest made the Others / the White Walkers? weren't they at war with each other?

Also, is it me or all the White Walkers are played by the same four dudes? I swear that a long haired one is the same that Jon killed in Hardhome.

Loved however the badass way they walked through fire, all looking like "yeah bitches think fire can stop us", haha!

And what a real life lesson from Varys. "I suppose it's hard for a fanatic to admit a mistake. Isn't that the whole point of being a fanatic? You're always right. Everything is the Lord's will."

Finally, about Littlefinger's endgame... I'm a bit puzzled about it myself. He probably wants to take the credit for bringing the decisive factor into the battle for the North - the large army of the Vale (so he has the Vale for himself, the gratitude of the North, and maybe he crushes the Freys since he's at it), but why did he give Sansa to Ramsay in the first place, since he seems to care for her in his own warped way? he needed to "park" her away to let Cersei know he's still on her side since he couldn't kept her hidden forever?
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Post by: ariich on May 24, 2016, 03:39:18 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 24, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
So... the Children of the Forest made the Others / the White Walkers? weren't they at war with each other?
They made them thousands of years ago. Clearly it went wrong and they ended up at war with them.

Quote
Also, is it me or all the White Walkers are played by the same four dudes? I swear that a long haired one is the same that Jon killed in Hardhome.
Yes, that is the same one - The Night's King.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 24, 2016, 04:09:17 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 24, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
Didn't someone posted a link a while back to a fan theory about Hodor that proved correct? I swear I have read already the "Hold the door" connection, but maybe it was in reference to the Tower of Joy flashback.

You're right on both counts. I remember laughing at the ridiculousness of the 'hold the door' theory, and thought it was tacky af, but the way the show handled it made it so powerful and moving. And it was much better than the original theory of 'Wyllis holds the door for Lyanna and gets bumped on the head by an attacker' or whatever it was.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 24, 2016, 05:12:05 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 24, 2016, 01:54:14 PM
Can I just say Tormund and Briennes scene! :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/zUVaQat.gif)

Oh man, the best part is Brienne's reaction. The gif left it out. :lol
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Post by: chknptpie on May 24, 2016, 07:15:14 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 04, 2016, 02:59:36 PM
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Game-Thrones-Hodor-Theory-41191051 (https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Game-Thrones-Hodor-Theory-41191051)

And an interesting Hodor theory.

Found it!
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 24, 2016, 11:09:04 PM: Shit. It just hit me that the name of the episode was The Door.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2016, 01:23:35 AM: Anyone else think Sansa may be pregnant with Ramsay's baby? That convo with LF seemed like she could have been hinting that and obviously he planted his seed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 25, 2016, 02:07:36 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 25, 2016, 01:23:35 AM
Anyone else think Sansa may be pregnant with Ramsay's baby? That convo with LF seemed like she could have been hinting that and obviously he planted his seed.

Now that's interesting. When she said something like "I can feel it in my body as I stand here", I assumed she was talking about some sort of physical injury, but you could be on to something with the pregnancy angle. If it turns out she is bearing Ramsay's child, it gives him fresh motivation for getting her back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 25, 2016, 02:53:20 AM: Stop.Killing.Off. Direwolfs!!!! >:(
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 05:20:53 AM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on May 25, 2016, 02:53:20 AM
Stop.Killing.Off. Direwolfs!!!! >:(

I know, right? That irritates me more than anything.

Quote from: Logain Ablar on May 25, 2016, 02:07:36 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 25, 2016, 01:23:35 AM
Anyone else think Sansa may be pregnant with Ramsay's baby? That convo with LF seemed like she could have been hinting that and obviously he planted his seed.

Now that's interesting. When she said something like "I can feel it in my body as I stand here", I assumed she was talking about some sort of physical injury, but you could be on to something with the pregnancy angle. If it turns out she is bearing Ramsay's child, it gives him fresh motivation for getting her back.

That's something to consider. The show/book has never been good at saying things outright. They both leave hints and suggestions that are loaded with answers.

I'm re-reading the first book and writing down everything that foretells possible events yet to come. GRRM said he left hints regarding the ending throughout the already released books, so I'll find them. I'm almost done with AGOT. This will be the perfect topic to start off my blog.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2016, 05:57:49 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 24, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
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Also, is it me or all the White Walkers are played by the same four dudes? I swear that a long haired one is the same that Jon killed in Hardhome.
Yes, that is the same one - The Night's King.

No, not the Night King, which has short / no hair. The White Walker that was killed in the last episode (with long hair) reminds me terribly the one that Jon killed in Hardhome, or even the one that was killed by Sam, either I have bad photographic memory, or the actor(s) get reused, or they have 3-4 stock makeups of White Walkers so they all look the same.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 06:09:49 AM: It's not the same White Walker. They do look similar, but it's not the same one.

Also, the Children were at war with men, but suddenly White Walkers came out of nowhere so men and the Children had to ally to beat them. That all we've known until now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 06:11:05 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 25, 2016, 05:57:49 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 24, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
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Also, is it me or all the White Walkers are played by the same four dudes? I swear that a long haired one is the same that Jon killed in Hardhome.
Yes, that is the same one - The Night's King.

No, not the Night King, which has short / no hair. The White Walker that was killed in the last episode (with long hair) reminds me terribly the one that Jon killed in Hardhome, or even the one that was killed by Sam, either I have bad photographic memory, or the actor(s) get reused, or they have 3-4 stock makeups of White Walkers so they all look the same.

That's right, the Night King wasn't killed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: chknptpie on May 25, 2016, 07:34:58 AM: And who is the Night King? We saw the Children creating him right? He was human and they didn't show his face. I'm assuming its someone we know about that went missing? I haven't read the books, so I don't know if thats part of history that I'm just not aware of?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 25, 2016, 08:01:55 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 25, 2016, 05:57:49 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 24, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
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Also, is it me or all the White Walkers are played by the same four dudes? I swear that a long haired one is the same that Jon killed in Hardhome.
Yes, that is the same one - The Night's King.

No, not the Night King, which has short / no hair. The White Walker that was killed in the last episode (with long hair) reminds me terribly the one that Jon killed in Hardhome, or even the one that was killed by Sam, either I have bad photographic memory, or the actor(s) get reused, or they have 3-4 stock makeups of White Walkers so they all look the same.
Aha, sorry, I'd misunderstood. The only one I find particularly distinguishable is the Night's King, so I'd assumed you meant him. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 08:08:31 AM: Quote from: chknptpie on May 25, 2016, 07:34:58 AM
And who is the Night King? We saw the Children creating him right? He was human and they didn't show his face. I'm assuming its someone we know about that went missing? I haven't read the books, so I don't know if thats part of history that I'm just not aware of?

They showed his face very clearly. And it was 8000 years ago, so I doubt it's someone we know.

There is a figure in old legends known in the books as the Night's King, but his story is very different so I'm starting to doubt they're the same guy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 08:59:53 AM: The "first White Walker" shown in this past episode is not the Night's King, unless the show is significantly rewriting the lore of Westeros. The Night's King wasn't the first Walker.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 25, 2016, 09:09:26 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 05:20:53 AM
I'm re-reading the first book and writing down everything that foretells possible events yet to come.

I hope you have a lot of paper.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 10:50:45 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 08:59:53 AM
The "first White Walker" shown in this past episode is not the Night's King,

It is though, the creators said it is. Though I don't think they're rewriting the story of the Night King from the books, maybe just using that name for the villain here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2016, 11:25:32 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 08:59:53 AM
The "first White Walker" shown in this past episode is not the Night's King,

It is though, the creators said it is. Though I don't think they're rewriting the story of the Night King from the books, maybe just using that name for the villain here.

Yea, I think the show confirmed that it was the Nights King. The guy did looks similar to him too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 12:05:44 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 25, 2016, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 08:59:53 AM
The "first White Walker" shown in this past episode is not the Night's King,

It is though, the creators said it is. Though I don't think they're rewriting the story of the Night King from the books, maybe just using that name for the villain here.

Yea, I think the show confirmed that it was the Nights King. The guy did looks similar to him too.

From the research I did, albeit it was quickly, that first man we see being converted is indeed the Night King.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 12:34:06 PM: Well, I missed that on the show, and if it's true, that is significantly different from the lore given in the books about the Night's King.

Unless a similar name is being used for two different individuals.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 25, 2016, 12:35:54 PM: Well, remember, there are going to be some differences between the books and the show
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 12:37:40 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 12:34:06 PM
Well, I missed that on the show,

Well, they didn't specifically say it in the episode. The creators said it in an interview about it, so it's easy to miss.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 12:34:06 PM
Unless a similar name is being used for two different individuals.

Yeah, I think this is most likely. Since the show has made no mention of the original Night's King at all, they might have just picked it because it sounds cool. I'm thinking the leader of the Others will probably not have that name in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2016, 12:42:53 PM: Quote from: masterthes on May 25, 2016, 12:35:54 PM
Well, remember, there are going to be some differences between the books and the show

For sure, but I'd like that the White Walkers thing would stay true to the intentions of George Martin since their exact story, purpose and motivations may very well play a decisive factor in the outcome of the entire saga.

Someone already figured out the "Hold the Door > Hodor" thing, what if the theory posted a couple of pages ago about the Others being not really the villains but just another race coming to cleanse the mess Men are doing in Westeros was right, and the show instead makes them random icy villains and invaders?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 12:55:41 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 12:34:06 PM
Unless a similar name is being used for two different individuals.

Yeah, I think this is most likely. Since the show has made no mention of the original Night's King at all, they might have just picked it because it sounds cool. I'm thinking the leader of the Others will probably not have that name in the books.
No, I think it probably will be the Night's King in the books, too, and this may in fact be the actual history of the character. It just doesn't align with the legend told about that character.

If I'm not mistaken, I thought the legend of the Night's King was told by Old Nan (Hodor's mother) in season 1, or at least reference was made to her telling of the story by some of the Stark children. I could be misremembering. I know she told it in the first novel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 12:58:06 PM: I did a little more research and apparently it is never mentioned in the novels as to who created The Others and whether or not that first one was indeed the Night's King. Those could be things that are part of the next book. I love the description they give in the Wiki for the books.

"According to legend, Night's King lived during the Age of Heroes, not long after the Wall was complete. He was a fearless warrior named the thirteenth Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Later, he fell in love with a woman "with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars". He chased her and loved her though "her skin was cold as ice", and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well. Night's King brought her back to the Nightfort and after the unholy union, he declared himself king and her his queen, and ruled the Nightfort as his own castle for thirteen years."

I feel like the books made them seem so much more surreal and beautiful while the show just has them looking like these evil creatures.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 01:11:53 PM: Well we still haven't seen any female White Walkers. Maybe they'll be hawt.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 12:55:41 PM
No, I think it probably will be the Night's King in the books, too, and this may in fact be the actual history of the character. It just doesn't align with the legend told about that character.

Like you say though, the histories of the two doesn't align at all. The book Night's King was a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, which wasn't even formed until after the entire war with the Others.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 01:16:57 PM: I am hoping the female Others will have some kind of obscure beauty to them. That's how I perceive them through GRRM's description.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 01:20:27 PM: Yeah, I always did imagine them beautiful, but in a still quite frightening way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2016, 01:33:25 PM: I think the book and show were always different regarding the White Walkers. Heck, they are even called Others in the book. For all we know, Old Nan's stories were wrong on the history, or maybe some of that history is correct just off a little. There's no way to tell at this point since we still know so little.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2016, 01:34:58 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 01:16:57 PM
I am hoping the female Others will have some kind of obscure beauty to them. That's how I perceive them through GRRM's description.

Quote from: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 01:20:27 PM
Yeah, I always did imagine them beautiful, but in a still quite frightening way.

Wasn't this always the intention of George Martin? it's the show that made them icy zombies, in the books they're indeed strangely beatiful in their own way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 01:38:25 PM: They aren't zombies. The wights, the servants of the Walkers, are the zombie-like things.

The Walkers themselves aren't reanimated corpses. They are Other. Given the look of the males we've seen, I don't see a reason that any females couldn't be striking in appearance.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 01:40:44 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 01:38:25 PM
They aren't zombies. The wights, the servants of the Walkers, are the zombie-like things.

The Walkers themselves aren't reanimated corpses. They are Other. Given the look of the males we've seen, I don't see a reason that any females couldn't be striking in appearance.

We know the males in the show are not the same as the descriptions given in the book as I've heard this mentioned in a couple of interviews with Dan, Dave, and GRRM. It's intentional and just what the show runners wanted. I suppose making them, especially the females, have some kind of beauty would take away their evil demeanor.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 01:45:17 PM: Oh, I know they are different. I was just making the distinction between the Walkers and the wights. It is sometimes lost on people (including my family members who are only show watchers).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 01:56:32 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
Oh, I know they are different. I was just making the distinction between the Walkers and the wights. It is sometimes lost on people (including my family members who are only show watchers).

Indeed, there is a big difference between the two. I knew you had it right. I was just remarking on your comment regarding the females Others.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 02:30:49 PM: Think we will see any females? I mean, it's GOT, so I suppose there will be be white boobies at some point, amirite?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 25, 2016, 04:05:50 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 02:30:49 PM
Think we will see any females? I mean, it's GOT, so I suppose there will be be white boobies at some point, amirite?

Most of us married guys have seen a cold, frozen shut vagina.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 06:52:17 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 25, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 02:30:49 PM
Think we will see any females? I mean, it's GOT, so I suppose there will be be white boobies at some point, amirite?

Most of us married guys have seen a cold, frozen shut vagina.

I would sure love to see some female Others. We will if that one theory pans out. Jon Stark will be taking an Other bride.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2016, 07:41:57 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 25, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2016, 02:30:49 PM
Think we will see any females? I mean, it's GOT, so I suppose there will be be white boobies at some point, amirite?

Most of us married guys have seen a cold, frozen shut vagina.

You didnt have to be married to see Melissandre's ancient vag :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: chknptpie on May 25, 2016, 09:01:35 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 08:08:31 AM
Quote from: chknptpie on May 25, 2016, 07:34:58 AM
And who is the Night King? We saw the Children creating him right? He was human and they didn't show his face. I'm assuming its someone we know about that went missing? I haven't read the books, so I don't know if thats part of history that I'm just not aware of?

They showed his face very clearly.

Apparently I missed that entirely lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2016, 09:05:34 PM: Quote from: chknptpie on May 25, 2016, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 25, 2016, 08:08:31 AM
Quote from: chknptpie on May 25, 2016, 07:34:58 AM
And who is the Night King? We saw the Children creating him right? He was human and they didn't show his face. I'm assuming its someone we know about that went missing? I haven't read the books, so I don't know if thats part of history that I'm just not aware of?

They showed his face very clearly.

Apparently I missed that entirely lol

It was quick. I didn't notice on first watch, it was on the inside the episode that comes after you watch on hbogo that the writers showed the scene and talked about it (where they confirmed it was the Night's King). This is the hardest part of the show. There is so much that is easily missed. But that also makes it so enjoyable to rewatch so you catch these things that you didn't notice the first go around.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2016, 09:23:06 PM: (https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/f/f7/Night's-king-creation-605.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160523081140)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fQTXg5Tk9gI/VW4dmQhcniI/AAAAAAACbBc/LhHUOtBPJNs/s1600/vagante-branco.jpg)
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Post by: faizoff on May 26, 2016, 06:54:02 AM: Awkward (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8JGyB1mkSY)and hilarious...
That actor will never be able to shake that off now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2016, 12:38:19 PM: So was that dragonglass to his heart? Is that why dragonglass kills them?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 12:49:20 PM: It certainly looked like it. Not sure why it kills them now though, but I suppose there's more magic involved. Like, I don't think the recipe for White Walker is as simple as "incert obsidian into heart > enjoy your new ice creature".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 26, 2016, 12:52:38 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 12:49:20 PM
It certainly looked like it. Not sure why it kills them now though, but I suppose there's more magic involved. Like, I don't think the recipe for White Walker is as simple as "incert obsidian into heart > enjoy your new ice creature".

He was tied to that mystical tree....I know it has a proper name but I can't recall it. It had the face of Bran's mentor carved in it. Maybe that was where the 'real' magic was that made them White Walkers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2016, 12:55:18 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 26, 2016, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 12:49:20 PM
It certainly looked like it. Not sure why it kills them now though, but I suppose there's more magic involved. Like, I don't think the recipe for White Walker is as simple as "incert obsidian into heart > enjoy your new ice creature".

He was tied to that mystical tree....I know it has a proper name but I can't recall it. It had the face of Bran's mentor carved in it. Maybe that was where the 'real' magic was that made them White Walkers.

Yup, the weirwood tree with the 3 eyed ravens face on it. The more I think about it, the more it feels like that episode had "Lost" written all over it with the time traveling and mysteries. (as I mentioned earlier, a Lost director was the director for this episode).
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Post by: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 01:28:43 PM: I never got that that weirdwood-face was supposed to be the Three-Eyed Raven's face. I suppose it kinda looks like it, but anyone got a source on that?
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Post by: Evermind on May 26, 2016, 01:33:15 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
weirdwood-face

Damn, that got me laughing alright. :rollin Weirdwood.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 01:36:28 PM: :lol
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Post by: Podaar on May 26, 2016, 02:07:58 PM: *shrug*

The last episode gave me weirdwood, too.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 26, 2016, 02:31:24 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
I never got that that weirdwood-face was supposed to be the Three-Eyed Raven's face. I suppose it kinda looks like it, but anyone got a source on that?
Well, again, unless they are changing things massively from the novels, the TER isn't thousands of years old, so it isn't really HIS face.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2016, 04:04:16 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 26, 2016, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
I never got that that weirdwood-face was supposed to be the Three-Eyed Raven's face. I suppose it kinda looks like it, but anyone got a source on that?
Well, again, unless they are changing things massively from the novels, the TER isn't thousands of years old, so it isn't really HIS face.

Maybe, maybe not, but it definitely looked like him and regardless of TER actual age, it doesnt seem to really matter if he's connected to the weirwood network. I saw that more of TER "saw" how the White Walkers were made moreso than his face being on the tree had a meaning in the creation of the Nights King.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 26, 2016, 05:49:36 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 26, 2016, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
I never got that that weirdwood-face was supposed to be the Three-Eyed Raven's face. I suppose it kinda looks like it, but anyone got a source on that?
Well, again, unless they are changing things massively from the novels, the TER isn't thousands of years old, so it isn't really HIS face.

I think it's the other way around. I think because he has been a part of that tree for so long that he took on the tree's face.

Not to nitpick. I think all of the trees in the godswood are weirwood trees, but the ones with the faces are Heart trees. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure heart trees can be other types of trees, like in the godswood of the Red Keep.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 26, 2016, 10:29:20 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 24, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
Also, is it me or all the White Walkers are played by the same four dudes? I swear that a long haired one is the same that Jon killed in Hardhome.

I think the bunch we saw with the Night King at Hardhome and the ones we've seen in the episode The Door are all the white walkers that exist, just an impression I got.
The Night King is easy to distinguish as he's the only one without a beard, all his lieutenants have long hair and/or beards, they're taller and have a generally older appearance so they look fairly similar, I thought the same thing as you did and I checked Hardhome to see if any of them look exactly like the one Jon killed, they look of a similar age and appearance but they're not identical.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 10:58:40 PM: I think there are probably more actual White Walkers. Most likely almost a hundred based on what we know.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2016, 01:30:02 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 10:58:40 PM
I think there are probably more actual White Walkers. Most likely almost a hundred based on what we know.

I disagree, it seems there might be 13.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XhyLKJgd8Zw/maxresdefault.jpg)

I agree though that besides the Nights King, they mostly look the same.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2016, 01:33:45 AM: Which btw just watched the video of where that picture is taken from

https://youtu.be/XhyLKJgd8Zw (https://youtu.be/XhyLKJgd8Zw)

and seeing that again, does that look this ritual look like it could have taken place on a weirwood tree stump that's been frozen over?!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 27, 2016, 03:01:33 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 27, 2016, 01:30:02 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 10:58:40 PM
I think there are probably more actual White Walkers. Most likely almost a hundred based on what we know.

I disagree, it seems there might be 13.

Minus the 3 Jon, Sam and Meera killed and plus that baby white walker, assuming a baby white walker grows into a full on BD white walker soon after that ritual.
Which actually brings me to a thought I had rewatching The Door again yesterday, Meera killed a white walker with the same kind of spear the child of forest tried to kill him with a moment before and fails, thoughts:
- It's odd that the child of forest didn't know normal weapons are ineffective against the white walker as she tried to stab him with the spear, highly unlikely.
- They could have had just the one dragon glass/Valyrian steel spear in the cave, also highly unlikely IMO, especially when it wasn't kept anywhere special, Meera just grabbed it off the floor.
- It's revealed that the white walkers were made of dragon glass and it's probably why it kills them, why was Jon able to kill one with Valyrian steel? We're assuming because it comes from the same place dragons came from and because we actually saw Jon kill one with Longclaw.
So my crazy thought is that Jon Snow didn't manage to kill that white walker in Hardhome because Longclaw is Valyrian steel, but because of who Jon Snow is and the same goes for Meera who killed the white walker with a mere spear.
The weakness in this theory is that Jon did grab a different sword in Hardhome and attempted to attack the white walker with it but it shattered upon contact with the walker's weapon, which if my theory was true would mean that Valyrian steel could withstand a hit from the walker's weapon but it won't kill the walker himself unless it was yielded by Jon Snow or Meera and that's a bit of a far shot.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 03:35:03 AM: The Child hit the walker in its armor, and wasn't strong enough to get through. Meera hit it in the neck, where it had no armor.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2016, 04:59:18 AM: I'm afraid there may be a chance that this brainstorming is based on some continuity error from the authors, and so we may go nuts trying to make sense of something that may be a mistake. I hope not.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 27, 2016, 04:10:28 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 27, 2016, 03:01:33 AM
assuming a baby white walker grows into a full on BD white walker soon after that ritual.

Is that part of book lore or just an assumption? I got the impression the child was a sacrifice or just consumed by the Night's King. I mean... they ARE supposed to be evil.

If they wanted another walker, why would they want a child? Stick a shard of dragon glass in a kid and you get a kid walker, from the looks of things. Kinda useless.

I am operating on zero book knowledge here.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 04:24:32 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 27, 2016, 01:30:02 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 26, 2016, 10:58:40 PM
I think there are probably more actual White Walkers. Most likely almost a hundred based on what we know.

I disagree, it seems there might be 13.

We have more hints than that scene though. There are likely a lot more. There's no real confirmation on that though.

Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 27, 2016, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 27, 2016, 03:01:33 AM
assuming a baby white walker grows into a full on BD white walker soon after that ritual.

Is that part of book lore or just an assumption? I got the impression the child was a sacrifice or just consumed by the Night's King. I mean... they ARE supposed to be evil.

If they wanted another walker, why would they want a child? Stick a shard of dragon glass in a kid and you get a kid walker, from the looks of things. Kinda useless.

I am operating on zero book knowledge here.

They probably don't use the same type of magic that the Children used, so they can probably not handle the dragonglass. And yes, when the Night King touched the baby, the baby's eyes turned into exactly how the White Walkers' eyes look, so it is rather safe to assume that it was turned into another walker.

And even book readers are basically just guessing here. At this point, we don't really know much than anyone else. The White Walkers/Others show up even more rarely in the books and we know next to nothing about them. It has never even been mentioned in the books yet that they have a leader.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 27, 2016, 06:36:24 PM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 27, 2016, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 27, 2016, 03:01:33 AM
assuming a baby white walker grows into a full on BD white walker soon after that ritual.

Is that part of book lore or just an assumption? I got the impression the child was a sacrifice or just consumed by the Night's King. I mean... they ARE supposed to be evil.

If they wanted another walker, why would they want a child? Stick a shard of dragon glass in a kid and you get a kid walker, from the looks of things. Kinda useless.

It's an assumption, I don't know what the point of the sacrifice would be though if not to create a new white walker, we just have to imagine they grow pretty fast.

Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 04:24:32 PM
And even book readers are basically just guessing here. At this point, we don't really know much than anyone else. The White Walkers/Others show up even more rarely in the books and we know next to nothing about them. It has never even been mentioned in the books yet that they have a leader.

So how to we know what the book version of the night king was a former lord commander of the night's watch as opposed to the show where he was a presumably normal first man?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 27, 2016, 06:42:48 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 04:24:32 PM

They probably don't use the same type of magic that the Children used, so they can probably not handle the dragonglass. And yes, when the Night King touched the baby, the baby's eyes turned into exactly how the White Walkers' eyes look, so it is rather safe to assume that it was turned into another walker.

And even book readers are basically just guessing here. At this point, we don't really know much than anyone else. The White Walkers/Others show up even more rarely in the books and we know next to nothing about them. It has never even been mentioned in the books yet that they have a leader.

That's fair enough. I didn't remember the shots of actual transformation.

I thought about it more, and where I've arrived is that the 'wiggle room' is in two sort of levels of Walkers: the First Men transformed by dragon glass level (just the Night King only?), and the Crastor's sons transformed by the touch of the Night King level.

The reason I separate the two is because the babies obviously age into adults. Given that the Night King is a First Man converted, he is centuries(?) old; if his aging continued (not stalled, as in the conventional use of immortality), he'd be a freakin' skeleton by now! Since he's not, there's an 'age freeze' for him, but apparently the transformed Crastor babies continue maturation.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 27, 2016, 10:11:13 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 27, 2016, 06:36:24 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 04:24:32 PM
And even book readers are basically just guessing here. At this point, we don't really know much than anyone else. The White Walkers/Others show up even more rarely in the books and we know next to nothing about them. It has never even been mentioned in the books yet that they have a leader.

So how to we know what the book version of the night king was a former lord commander of the night's watch as opposed to the show where he was a presumably normal first man?

Old Nan told stories to Bran about the Night's King in book 1, it's ridiculously short and is only a story that no one knows to be accurate. There are some more hints in the World of Ice and Fire book, but not a whole lot. One of the stories was that the night's King was the 13th Lord Commander, I'm not sure how that can be true in the show version if the Night's King is as old as he seems.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 28, 2016, 12:55:51 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 27, 2016, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 27, 2016, 06:36:24 PM
So how to we know what the book version of the night king was a former lord commander of the night's watch as opposed to the show where he was a presumably normal first man?

Old Nan told stories to Bran about the Night's King in book 1, it's ridiculously short and is only a story that no one knows to be accurate. There are some more hints in the World of Ice and Fire book, but not a whole lot. One of the stories was that the night's King was the 13th Lord Commander, I'm not sure how that can be true in the show version if the Night's King is as old as he seems.

Yeah that's why I'm thinking they're just using the name "Night King" for a different character in the show. The two aren't the same at all. In the legend, the book Night's King, while still a human, sees a White Walker beyond the wall, chases her and makes her his queen. He then is said to make sacrifices to the White Walkers. None of which makes sense if he's supposed to be the first one. So I think they're different people.

Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 27, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
Given that the Night King is a First Man converted, he is centuries(?) old

More like millennia. The White Walkers first appeared about 8'000 years ago.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 28, 2016, 08:30:15 AM: It's hard to say what's what. We're basing everything we know about The Others on the books that have already been written AND the new season for which the book is still being written. There might be truths in the book version that we have yet to uncover which could change everything we know about the Night's King and The Others. Since the apparent creation of The Others was at the hands of the Children in the show, it could be something we find out about in the next book. It remains to be seen.

We might just have to learn to separate the two histories, book and television, and not try and get hung up on mixing them together with certain things.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 29, 2016, 07:10:25 PM: Hmmm.... Benjen Stark?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2016, 09:57:23 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 29, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
Hmmm.... Benjen Stark?

Confirmed

Also confirmed as Coldhands on the inside the episode :omg:

What an awesome episode! This season may be the best so far. More about the dragonglass to the heart, Tommen unintentionally plays the game of thrones under influence of the High Sparrow, Jamie's going to the Riverland and really loves Cersei, the Freys return and also are going to Riverland, Dany is going to lead the dothraki army to westeros on the wooden horses, Samwell takes his fathers Valyrian steele sword ;), and Arya just betrayed the Faceless Men and got Needle back. :metal :metal :corn
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Post by: axeman90210 on May 29, 2016, 10:25:35 PM: Damn, I mean we knew it from stories, but Samwell's dad has no chill.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 29, 2016, 10:31:35 PM: I may be in the minority but they seem to reintroduce characters we haven't seen in years (with obvious "guess who's back!" moments) meanwhile there are so many things going on who the fuck would even remember their place in the story? This may be exclusive to non-book readers but if hef hadn't told me who Benjen was or what a Blackfish is a few storylines in this episode would've been way more lost on me. Who was that guy Walder Frey "released" at the end and why should I care? What is the big deal about Riverrun and where the hell is it? Has Walder Frey even gotten up to take a shit from his chair since the Red Wedding?
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Post by: Progmetty on May 29, 2016, 10:47:44 PM: orcus116 at this point I don't think they need to cater to casual viewers anymore and I honestly like it that way, you're either a die hard fan who knows every character that's been on -at least- the show so far or you're gonna have to make google your best buddy. The reason I say I like it is that I would have hated for them to waste time on the show reminding casual viewers of things that happened to these characters in previous seasons.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2016, 11:35:04 PM: I think that they bring back characters and storylines from previous seasons is what makes the show incredible. Most of what was referenced by Orcus was a result of the Red Wedding, if you forgot, you should rewatch season 3. We got hints about the Brotherhood without Banners too, also from season 3. If you don't pay attention to the close details (or rewatch to catch them, which I often do) then you miss out on how awesome this show truly is.
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Post by: MetalJunkie on May 30, 2016, 12:21:46 AM: I'm not going to read anything in this thread that doesn't quote me, but I've just started watching. I just finished Golden Crown and I am absolutely hooked. I wish I had started earlier.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 30, 2016, 12:43:52 AM: Quote from: MetalJunkie on May 30, 2016, 12:21:46 AM
I'm not going to read anything in this thread that doesn't quote me, but I've just started watching. I just finished Golden Crown and I am absolutely hooked. I wish I had started earlier.

I didn't know you could filter surf the forums to only see posts that quote you, how do you do that?
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 30, 2016, 06:05:40 AM: Awesome episode, not as epic as some of the earlier ones. That must have took some balls what Samwell did. The final shot of Dany was epic, though.
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Post by: faizoff on May 30, 2016, 06:30:20 AM: Loved the visions of the Mad king, I'll have to rewatch those parts to see what else was shown in them.
Someone made a compilation (https://imgur.com/gallery/5WMdv/new) of the shots.

So much happened this episode that I'm excited for. Arya's path, Tarly's family, Bran's ongoing amazing visions, King Tommen's switch of allegiance, seeing Drogon, first episode this season we haven't seen scenes from the Wall. Man I'm so pumped for the next four episodes. Ive always wondered about Edmure and his treatment and I think it was somewhat mentioned he was put away somewhere and now there's a clearer idea. It was really chilling to see the red wedding hall again. I kept having a sense of dread during that part.
Was Ian McShane the mad king? I really couldn't tell even with those screen shots.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 07:05:37 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 29, 2016, 10:31:35 PM
I may be in the minority but they seem to reintroduce characters we haven't seen in years (with obvious "guess who's back!" moments) meanwhile there are so many things going on who the fuck would even remember their place in the story? This may be exclusive to non-book readers but if hef hadn't told me who Benjen was or what a Blackfish is a few storylines in this episode would've been way more lost on me. Who was that guy Walder Frey "released" at the end and why should I care? What is the big deal about Riverrun and where the hell is it? Has Walder Frey even gotten up to take a shit from his chair since the Red Wedding?

It IS, indeed, a lot to remember. Maybe it has helped that I read the books, but then again, there is much more detail in the books and I forget to separate the book history and show history.

Who did Walder Frey release? That was Edmure, Catelyn's and Lysa's younger brother. He was captured at the Red Wedding, which was only three seasons ago.

What is the big deal about Riverrun? It's where the Tullys are from (Catelyn, Lysa, etc). The Blackfish (Catelyn's uncle) has regained it which is a major deal in the story and happens in the books, but much earlier. Jaime heading there to stop the Blackfish happens in the books as well. I'm glad to see they didn't abandon that plot line because of something else that is supposed to happen around that time which I'm hoping they include.

Since they aren't abandoning the plot with Jaime in Riverrun, does anybody think they'll introduce Lady Stoneheart at the end of the season?
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 30, 2016, 07:19:52 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 29, 2016, 10:31:35 PM
I may be in the minority but they seem to reintroduce characters we haven't seen in years (with obvious "guess who's back!" moments) meanwhile there are so many things going on who the fuck would even remember their place in the story? This may be exclusive to non-book readers but if hef hadn't told me who Benjen was or what a Blackfish is a few storylines in this episode would've been way more lost on me. Who was that guy Walder Frey "released" at the end and why should I care? What is the big deal about Riverrun and where the hell is it? Has Walder Frey even gotten up to take a shit from his chair since the Red Wedding?

I'm a non-book reader, and I've had no problem remembering who these characters are/were. I've been waiting to see Benjen since the third episode of the series. And they guy that Frey released was the guy who actually got married at the Red Wedding, and is kin to the guy that just bounced those clown hat wearing bozos out of Riverrun.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 30, 2016, 09:04:50 AM: I guess I just went through season 3 too fast. I appreciate the refreshers, though.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 09:26:54 AM: Apparently, Rob Aramayo, who is playing young Ned Stark, is going to be in episode ten. This means, as I assumed, we're going to find out about Jon's heritage in the season finale.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 30, 2016, 10:04:51 AM: Cool episode. Don't really care for the sam subplot, but everything else is solid.

cersei royally fucked up initially making contact with the high sparrow and thinking he would serve her needs.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 30, 2016, 10:17:16 AM: When Cersei is referring to trial by combat, who would the Mountain be fighting? Against someone from the Sparrows? It seems like everything has been sorted out and there really isn't an impending trial unless she's talking about Loras.
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Post by: MetalJunkie on May 30, 2016, 10:25:47 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 30, 2016, 12:43:52 AM
Quote from: MetalJunkie on May 30, 2016, 12:21:46 AM
I'm not going to read anything in this thread that doesn't quote me, but I've just started watching. I just finished Golden Crown and I am absolutely hooked. I wish I had started earlier.

I didn't know you could filter surf the forums to only see posts that quote you, how do you do that?
You can't, as far as I know. I just skim and skip past everything that doesn't quote me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 10:34:05 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 30, 2016, 10:17:16 AM
When Cersei is referring to trial by combat, who would the Mountain be fighting? Against someone from the Sparrows? It seems like everything has been sorted out and there really isn't an impending trial unless she's talking about Loras.

There's a theory, based on something that happened in the books, about who he would fight. Since nothing has been mentioned in the way of this character, I'm not sure if it's going to come to fruition. I suppose once we get to the Riverlands plots, we might hear from this certain someone.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 10:54:50 AM: Did we ever figure out who Ian McShane was going to be playing? Is he the one who nursed back to life The Hound?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 30, 2016, 11:53:09 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on May 30, 2016, 10:17:16 AM
When Cersei is referring to trial by combat, who would the Mountain be fighting? Against someone from the Sparrows? It seems like everything has been sorted out and there really isn't an impending trial unless she's talking about Loras.

She's out on bail. Trial still to come.
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 30, 2016, 12:02:32 PM: Another solid episode, though slower than the rest. I felt the Danny/Drogon part seemed out of place and would have made more sense to have in the last episode. Sam taking the sword will be a major plot point I'm guessing. Tommen joining the faith was interesting twist, I have a theory on how that is going to end and it won't be good the Lannisters. I'm glad Arya's plot is finally moving somewhere. I love the show so much that I find myself getting distracted trying to figure out what is going to happen next lol I'm guessing we'll have 2 more episodes until the big battle of the north in episode 9 and I'm also assuming that this season is going to have the craziest season finale yet.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 30, 2016, 12:40:12 PM: Another episode further helping to make season 6 my favorite season yet.

A big reason I especially loved this and the last episode is that things seems to be falling back into their right place. Both Jamie and Brienne are now heading for the Riverlands. The Riverrun stuff is being reintroduced. The Iron Islands stuff is back on track. Coldhands is finally here.

While it had some great moments, season 5 is my least favorite season, much because they scattered everyone. Made some strange choices. This season seems to be correcting those "mistakes", which I appreciate greatly.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 01:38:53 PM: Season five was slow in the beginning, and for a while I thought it wasn't going to be a good season, but luckily it really picked up speed towards the end and there were some great scenes.
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Post by: Evermind on May 30, 2016, 01:54:19 PM: As much as I'm in "eh, whatever" watching mode right now, this season is easily much better than Season 5. That one was just dreadful and terrible except for probably Hardhome.

Randyll Tarly is just the dick I imagined him from the books. Good job there from the show. :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 30, 2016, 02:21:42 PM: How does Arya evade getting killed by her counterpart, or for that matter get out of serving the God of many faces without losing her life? I can see where she expects her counterpart to come and try to kill her....and she's readied herself for it, but can she just desert the cult without any reperations?

Or do you think the man with no name already knew this was going to happen, knows she's gonna be ready for her counterparts attack and kill her?

Having a tough time believing she's just gonna leave
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Post by: Progmetty on May 30, 2016, 02:56:22 PM: Yeah I don't see Jaqen H'ghar letting it slide and I don't see Arya managing to kill him, she could -and probably will- manage to kill the waif and escape Bravos but shit you don't wanna be hunted by the faceless assassins!
It would be cool to see Jaqen H'ghar lose his shit though, just wanna see what he'd look like pissed off :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 30, 2016, 03:10:29 PM: Finally we got Benjen Stark back!!!

...and he found Bran and Meera in the middle of the goddamn north. D'UH. I hate TV tropes about people showing up at the exact moment they're needed.

There may be a logical explanation but I didn't fully grasp it - he said the "Three Eyed Raven" called him, what he meant by that? Max von Sydow warned him somehow telling him to come to the cave? Bran himself - now the Three Eyed Raven - didn't, he didn't even recognize his uncle until he showed his face.

No walk of atonement for Margery. Damn! :biggrin: but a couple of episodes ago she was all fierce and determined while talking with Loras, proving her meekness with the High Sparrow was just a facade. Now she's truly converted? and this happened basically off screen?

Loved Dany's scene at the end, I always like when she goes batshit insane and burn things down or makes arousing speeches. Even though she could have just said "Bitches, I have a dragon.. We do what the hell I want" :biggrin:
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 30, 2016, 07:46:06 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 30, 2016, 02:56:22 PM
Yeah I don't see Jaqen H'ghar letting it slide and I don't see Arya managing to kill him, she could -and probably will- manage to kill the waif and escape Bravos but shit you don't wanna be hunted by the faceless assassins!
It would be cool to see Jaqen H'ghar lose his shit though, just wanna see what he'd look like pissed off :lol

Yeah, she's cruising for a bruising. Amazingly she was given a 2nd chance and still pulled that stunt. I can't wait to see how she gets out of this. I totally agree, these people are not to be messed with.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 08:26:31 PM: Maybe this means the end for Arya.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 30, 2016, 09:38:08 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 08:26:31 PM
Maybe this means the end for Arya.

I don't know why I've always had the feeling that she'd never be killed off being that this show kills off any and everyone. But I've always had a sense that she 'safe'. Even now with her essentially picking a fight.

I think Jaqen knew all along that she'd never truly turn, and didn't mind.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 09:46:32 PM: It's hard to tell if he minds. He kind of has the same emotion towards everything. Even when he wants someone killed, his demeanor is placid. Do you think Jaqen would save her from The Waif? Any other fight/sparring scenes between Arya and The Waif show Arya to be extremely outmatched.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: home on May 30, 2016, 11:48:23 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 30, 2016, 09:38:08 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 08:26:31 PM
Maybe this means the end for Arya.

I don't know why I've always had the feeling that she'd never be killed off being that this show kills off any and everyone. But I've always had a sense that she 'safe'. Even now with her essentially picking a fight.

I think Jaqen knew all along that she'd never truly turn, and didn't mind.
I don't think Arya will be killed either. She is the only main character in that place, it would be a bit lame if that part of the story just ends.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 31, 2016, 12:29:00 AM: Yea I agree, she's the only main character in that storyline and no one knows she's there and we finally see some progress so for her to suddenly be killed off seems more weird than shocking.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 31, 2016, 12:46:59 AM: The one truly big kick I got out of that episode though was seeing Aerys Targaryen, however sloppy the little footage they shot of him on the throne and getting killed by Jaime looked, I still loved seeing something that has only existed in stories told and never footage. It makes me hope we get to see Rhaegar at one point, it's a bit weird but over the last couple of years he's become my favorite character from AWOI&F, which is weird seeing we only heard of him but never met him, that's some GRRM genius right there.
The sloppy footage of Aerys Targaryen also included something I found a tad funny, he gets killed by Jaime Lannister who proceeds to sit on the iron throne waiting for the rebels, but it's current Jaime Lannister, not a younger one, Jaime Lannister as he looks now in season 6.. thought that was either silly of them or an attempt to make things clearer to casual viewers, I don't know.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 05:35:04 AM: I'm re-reading the books and I noticed something that I either missed the first time or just never paid much attention to it. In AGoT, when Ned is imprisoned in King's Landing, Varys comes to see him. The show makes him appear his regular self. However, in the book it's completely different. Here's the exact passage:

The eunuch's plump cheeks were covered with a dark stubble of beard. Ned felt the coarse hair with his fingers. Varys had transformed himself into a grizzled turnkey, reeking of sweat and sour wine. "How did you...what sort of magician are you?"

It's obvious the Varys is capable of changing faces, no? Did anyone else pick up on this?
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 31, 2016, 05:48:45 AM: Varys doesn't change faces like the Faceless Men I think, he is just very effective at disguise and acting. When Tyrion is keeping Shae in the city in secret in A Clash Of Kings, Varys comes to visit them dressed like a hobo which Tyrion fails to recognise at first as well. The show didn't show such extreme transformations when he disguises himself, maybe it wouldn't have worked or appeared silly. But he is definitely much better at disguising and hiding in the books, though I think it is by mundane methods rather than magic.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 05:52:12 AM: He's a mysterious character and I feel we still don't know everything about him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 31, 2016, 07:01:13 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 09:46:32 PM
It's hard to tell if he minds. He kind of has the same emotion towards everything. Even when he wants someone killed, his demeanor is placid. Do you think Jaqen would save her from The Waif? Any other fight/sparring scenes between Arya and The Waif show Arya to be extremely outmatched.

I wouldn't put it past Arya to be tanking a bit as to not reveal to the waif that she (Arya) is actually much stronger than she lets on....
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 07:13:27 AM: That's always possible as well. I guess we'll know if she escapes by the end of the season. I doubt her storyline in Braavos will end any sooner than that.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 31, 2016, 08:32:03 AM: Another great episode, holy crap.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 31, 2016, 08:56:11 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 31, 2016, 07:01:13 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 30, 2016, 09:46:32 PM
It's hard to tell if he minds. He kind of has the same emotion towards everything. Even when he wants someone killed, his demeanor is placid. Do you think Jaqen would save her from The Waif? Any other fight/sparring scenes between Arya and The Waif show Arya to be extremely outmatched.

I wouldn't put it past Arya to be tanking a bit as to not reveal to the waif that she (Arya) is actually much stronger than she lets on....

The other thing is that he knows the Waif enjoys beating the hell out of her. She's probably wanted to kill Arya from the start. Is she not training to be faceless too? Why would she be around the temple if she wasn't faceless or training to be? She participates in all the same stuff Arya was doing. If so, her desire for personal anti-Arya violence is just as much a failure as Arya doing the same for her hitlist. So maybe Jaqen will ensure Arya kills her (or at least survives) because they both need to learn the ego problem has to dissolve.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 31, 2016, 11:22:48 AM: I can remember a scene early on where Varys was in disguise... it´s vague, but I´m sure I´ve seen something like that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 31, 2016, 11:56:25 AM: I'm pretty confident that Varys is a master of disguise in the sense that he knows how to use costumes and makeup to appear as other people, not that he's a faceless man.

Varys loathes magic, that's basically his entire backstory and the origin of his emasculation (the man who cut him burned his pieces in the fire and he heard a voice), no way he's involved with the faceless men and their rituals.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM: I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 01:04:41 PM: I'd like to think so. They are such favorite characters that if someone like Arya were to die, it would be worse than Hodor or Robb dying.

Quote from: MirrorMask on May 31, 2016, 11:56:25 AM
I'm pretty confident that Varys is a master of disguise in the sense that he knows how to use costumes and makeup to appear as other people, not that he's a faceless man.

Varys loathes magic, that's basically his entire backstory and the origin of his emasculation (the man who cut him burned his pieces in the fire and he heard a voice), no way he's involved with the faceless men and their rituals.

That might be so, but I still feel there is something about him that hasn't been told yet. Very few character's stories are superficial.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 01:42:52 PM: Quote from: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show

What's interesting this season is the breakout of the Starks in general. Return of Rickon, Bran, and Benjen this season. Sansa is becoming powerful and Arya is becoming stronger as well. Jon came back to life.

Maybe Catelyn comes back as well
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 31, 2016, 02:45:04 PM: Only a matter of time before one of them dies.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 03:28:30 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 31, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
Only a matter of time before one of them dies.

Rickon is my bet, I think that's the safest bet of them all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show

What's interesting this season is the breakout of the Starks in general. Return of Rickon, Bran, and Benjen this season. Sansa is becoming powerful and Arya is becoming stronger as well. Jon came back to life.

Maybe Catelyn comes back as well

Well, they are heading to the Riverlands. Hmmm.... Jon Snow and Benjen came back. Maybe Catelyn and The Hound will make a reappearance.

Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 31, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
Only a matter of time before one of them dies.

Rickon is my bet, I think that's the safest bet of them all.

His death would be the least tragic.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 31, 2016, 04:13:23 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show

What's interesting this season is the breakout of the Starks in general. Return of Rickon, Bran, and Benjen this season. Sansa is becoming powerful and Arya is becoming stronger as well. Jon came back to life.

Maybe Catelyn comes back as well

Well, they are heading to the Riverlands. Hmmm.... Jon Snow and Benjen came back. Maybe Catelyn and The Hound will make a reappearance.

If Lady Stoneheart is happening in the show at all, now is good timing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 31, 2016, 04:35:26 PM: They could kill Rickon, Bran, and Sansa and I would not care one bit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 05:01:20 PM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 31, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show

What's interesting this season is the breakout of the Starks in general. Return of Rickon, Bran, and Benjen this season. Sansa is becoming powerful and Arya is becoming stronger as well. Jon came back to life.

Maybe Catelyn comes back as well

Well, they are heading to the Riverlands. Hmmm.... Jon Snow and Benjen came back. Maybe Catelyn and The Hound will make a reappearance.

If Lady Stoneheart is happening in the show at all, now is good timing.

Since it's during Jaime's time in the Riverlands, when he is sent to deal with the Blackfish, that she appears, I assume that if it doesn't happen now, it's not happening at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 01, 2016, 02:20:24 AM: Got caught up with the latest episode last night. It wasn't as dramatic as last week's, but it did a good job of keeping multiple plot points ticking along.

Nice to seen the return of Benjen and his fiery mace - that was cool! Good call on that, Snob and cramx3!

I'm glad that Arya's time with the faceless men is coming to an end. I thought that storyline was in danger of dragging on too long, but it seems like she's learned what she needs to, and from her taking 'needle' from its hiding place, it seems like she's ready to go back and settle a few scores. Did you notice Richard E Grant as the boss of the acting troupe?

Walder Frey and Randall Tarly = arsewipes :lol

I agree with the comments in tiny writing. It feels like events are being set up to converge at Riverrun, and the Brotherhood got a mention too, so I hope we see who I think we're going to see again. :)

Also, we haven't seen Jon Snow or Ramsey Bolton in a couple of episodes, so I think they they might be building up to something there too. Maybe a fitting season finale?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 05:06:57 AM: There will probably be a battle in episode 9 with the season finale revealing the truth about Jon's parents. The reason why I say this is because the actor who plays young Ned is appearing in episode 10.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:10:21 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 31, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show

What's interesting this season is the breakout of the Starks in general. Return of Rickon, Bran, and Benjen this season. Sansa is becoming powerful and Arya is becoming stronger as well. Jon came back to life.

Maybe Catelyn comes back as well

Well, they are heading to the Riverlands. Hmmm.... Jon Snow and Benjen came back. Maybe Catelyn and The Hound will make a reappearance.

If Lady Stoneheart is happening in the show at all, now is good timing.

Since it's during Jaime's time in the Riverlands, when he is sent to deal with the Blackfish, that she appears, I assume that if it doesn't happen now, it's not happening at all.

Couldnt agree more, I thought Stoneheart was cut but given the Riverrun plotline, it makes sense to be introduced now (if ever).

Quote from: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 05:06:57 AM
There will probably be a battle in episode 9 with the season finale revealing the truth about Jon's parents. The reason why I say this is because the actor who plays young Ned is appearing in episode 10.

Also agreed and the final episode is titled "Winds of Winter" and I think the white walkers will get to or pass the wall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 01, 2016, 07:15:39 AM: I am sorry to derail this thread with my noobness. I haven't read any of it, so my bad if I'm breaking up an important conversation. I've been trying not to disrupt the current discussion as I hear this season is nuts, but I needed to come here in regards to two episodes I watched last night.

1) The episode where Khaleesi trades the dragon for 8000 obedient warriors and immediately just takes the dragon back was unbelievably badass and a level of awesome that cannot be quantified.

2) That flaming sword fight between Sandor and Beric was one of the most awesome fighting sequences I've seen in anything ever. My jaw hit the floor and I screamed in awesome confusion when Sandor's sword chopped through Beric's and went all the way through his shoulder. Holy shit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 01, 2016, 07:28:39 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 01, 2016, 07:15:39 AM
2) That flaming sword fight between Sandor and Beric was one of the most awesome fighting sequences I've seen in anything ever. My jaw hit the floor and I screamed in awesome confusion when Sandor's sword chopped through Beric's and went all the way through his shoulder. Holy shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyvjgs40Oo

Oh yes - very cool indeed! Beric's one of my favourite characters from the books.

That was Season 3 - you're in danger of getting spoiled in this thread. You gotta get caught up.. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:35:37 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 01, 2016, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 01, 2016, 07:15:39 AM
2) That flaming sword fight between Sandor and Beric was one of the most awesome fighting sequences I've seen in anything ever. My jaw hit the floor and I screamed in awesome confusion when Sandor's sword chopped through Beric's and went all the way through his shoulder. Holy shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyvjgs40Oo

Oh yes - very cool indeed! Beric's one of my favourite characters from the books.

That was Season 3 - you're in danger of getting spoiled in this thread. You gotta get caught up.. :lol

Pretty much, I'd avoid this thread. Season 3 is turning out to have a lot of ramifications in season 6 which has lead to a lot of the discussion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 01, 2016, 07:38:21 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:35:37 AM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 01, 2016, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 01, 2016, 07:15:39 AM
2) That flaming sword fight between Sandor and Beric was one of the most awesome fighting sequences I've seen in anything ever. My jaw hit the floor and I screamed in awesome confusion when Sandor's sword chopped through Beric's and went all the way through his shoulder. Holy shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyvjgs40Oo

Oh yes - very cool indeed! Beric's one of my favourite characters from the books.

That was Season 3 - you're in danger of getting spoiled in this thread. You gotta get caught up.. :lol

Pretty much, I'd avoid this thread. Season 3 is turning out to have a lot of ramifications in season 6 which has lead to a lot of the discussion.

I won't be sticking around long :lol I just had to say those things.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 01, 2016, 07:56:47 AM: About "Khaleesi" - that's her title, it means somehow "Queen". Her name is Daenerys, Khaleesi is a title. Just like Francis is the Pope, you don't call him Pope, you either call him Francis or the Pope. She's called Daenerys and she is (a) Khaleesi.

And btw, I agree that it was a badass moments, I love when she goes batshit crazy like that and she's all fire and flames :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 11:24:17 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:10:21 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 31, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show

What's interesting this season is the breakout of the Starks in general. Return of Rickon, Bran, and Benjen this season. Sansa is becoming powerful and Arya is becoming stronger as well. Jon came back to life.

Maybe Catelyn comes back as well

Well, they are heading to the Riverlands. Hmmm.... Jon Snow and Benjen came back. Maybe Catelyn and The Hound will make a reappearance.

If Lady Stoneheart is happening in the show at all, now is good timing.

Since it's during Jaime's time in the Riverlands, when he is sent to deal with the Blackfish, that she appears, I assume that if it doesn't happen now, it's not happening at all.

Couldnt agree more, I thought Stoneheart was cut but given the Riverrun plotline, it makes sense to be introduced now (if ever).

It's funny because when I first realized Jaime was going to the Riverlands, I said out loud (mind you I was home alone), "Stoneheart!". :lol I'm such a fucking geek.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:10:21 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 05:06:57 AM
There will probably be a battle in episode 9 with the season finale revealing the truth about Jon's parents. The reason why I say this is because the actor who plays young Ned is appearing in episode 10.

Also agreed and the final episode is titled "Winds of Winter" and I think the white walkers will get to or pass the wall.

Is that confirmed? I know there were leaked episode titles for the last two, episode 9 being The Battle of the Bastards and episode 10 being what you said.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 11:34:35 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:10:21 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 31, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show

What's interesting this season is the breakout of the Starks in general. Return of Rickon, Bran, and Benjen this season. Sansa is becoming powerful and Arya is becoming stronger as well. Jon came back to life.

Maybe Catelyn comes back as well

Well, they are heading to the Riverlands. Hmmm.... Jon Snow and Benjen came back. Maybe Catelyn and The Hound will make a reappearance.

If Lady Stoneheart is happening in the show at all, now is good timing.

Since it's during Jaime's time in the Riverlands, when he is sent to deal with the Blackfish, that she appears, I assume that if it doesn't happen now, it's not happening at all.

Couldnt agree more, I thought Stoneheart was cut but given the Riverrun plotline, it makes sense to be introduced now (if ever).

It's funny because when I first realized Jaime was going to the Riverlands, I said out loud (mind you I was home alone), "Stoneheart!". :lol I'm such a fucking geek.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:10:21 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 05:06:57 AM
There will probably be a battle in episode 9 with the season finale revealing the truth about Jon's parents. The reason why I say this is because the actor who plays young Ned is appearing in episode 10.

Also agreed and the final episode is titled "Winds of Winter" and I think the white walkers will get to or pass the wall.

Is that confirmed? I know there were leaked episode titles for the last two, episode 9 being The Battle of the Bastards and episode 10 being what you said.

Just a guess on my part based on where the story is headed and the episode title
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 11:45:27 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:10:21 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on May 31, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on May 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 31, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: masterthes on May 31, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
I have a feeling the rest of the Stark children will live till the end of the show

What's interesting this season is the breakout of the Starks in general. Return of Rickon, Bran, and Benjen this season. Sansa is becoming powerful and Arya is becoming stronger as well. Jon came back to life.

Maybe Catelyn comes back as well

Well, they are heading to the Riverlands. Hmmm.... Jon Snow and Benjen came back. Maybe Catelyn and The Hound will make a reappearance.

If Lady Stoneheart is happening in the show at all, now is good timing.

Since it's during Jaime's time in the Riverlands, when he is sent to deal with the Blackfish, that she appears, I assume that if it doesn't happen now, it's not happening at all.

Couldnt agree more, I thought Stoneheart was cut but given the Riverrun plotline, it makes sense to be introduced now (if ever).

It's funny because when I first realized Jaime was going to the Riverlands, I said out loud (mind you I was home alone), "Stoneheart!". :lol I'm such a fucking geek.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 07:10:21 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 05:06:57 AM
There will probably be a battle in episode 9 with the season finale revealing the truth about Jon's parents. The reason why I say this is because the actor who plays young Ned is appearing in episode 10.

Also agreed and the final episode is titled "Winds of Winter" and I think the white walkers will get to or pass the wall.

Is that confirmed? I know there were leaked episode titles for the last two, episode 9 being The Battle of the Bastards and episode 10 being what you said.

Just a guess on my part based on where the story is headed and the episode title

I mean, is the episode title a confirmed title? There were leaked episode titles that people weren't sure were legitimate.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2016, 11:49:32 AM: Oh, no idea, just what I read, didn't even know other titles were fake. All so far I've seen were true.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 01, 2016, 12:19:17 PM: Here is the article I read. Nobody has officially confirmed them yet, so there are some doubts, but that could just be HBO avoiding admitting they are the actual titles.

https://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/28/titles-for-game-of-thrones-episodes-8-9-and-10-possibly-leaked/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 03, 2016, 10:11:51 AM: Apparently Robert Kirkman doesn't think that GRRM should have told the showrunner hows it ends and that the show should have made up its own ending. I just think that's an absolutely terrible idea.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on June 03, 2016, 10:15:48 AM: I think Kirkman should worry about his own show which is slowly but surely turning into a steaming pile of shit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2016, 11:29:26 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 03, 2016, 10:15:48 AM
I think Kirkman should worry about his own show which is slowly but surely turning into a steaming pile of shit.

This. I read his comments yesterday and this was exactly my thought. Sounds a lot like sour grapes since this season of GoT is amazing where as the last season of TWD has lead me to turn it off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 02:30:55 PM: I read his comments and really don't care. I never watched TWD and I probably never will. As much as I love all sorts of horror movies, zombies never interested me and I found them to be rather boring. GoT is probably one of the most watched shows in history. Nevermind what the ratings show. It has been not only the most illegally streamed show ever, but also one of the most torrented shows as well. These days ratings are incidental.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2016, 02:40:29 PM: Anyone else watch Alt Shift X videos on youtube? His theories are very in depth, but his episode recaps are really good too and his recap of this week picked up on a few things I didn't notice, small but meaningful things. Such as when the High Sparrow presented Tommen and he came out with the Kingsguard, they had a new sigil. It was a crown inside of the faith's 7 pointed star. Similar to how Stannis's sigil was the stag inside the fire, a symbol of the house being within the religion. A symbol of what is in control of the other essentially. I LOVE these types of nuggets.

Same with a previous episode of when LF presented the "caged falcon" to Sweet Robin, a sign that the Robin (a falcon is the sigil of house Arryn) is being controlled by LF (the cage).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 02:55:26 PM: Yes. I've watched most of his GoT videos. Some I've probably even watched a couple of times.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2016, 03:19:34 PM: So who gets Riverrun if Edmure were to die and if his wife is not pregnant (or were to die before giving birth)? At least in theory.

According to some research, since if Edmure were to die, the bloodline from Hoster Tully then goes to Catelyn's children, which would then be the oldest male, Bran then Rickon then Sansa.... which leads me to believe it's very possible Sansa ends up ruling the Riverlands when all is said and done. She even looks more like a Tully.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 03:40:12 PM: Right. She is the older of the two sisters, so it would go to her children.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 03, 2016, 04:04:15 PM: It would be nice to see the Starks taking half of the kingdom... Sansa gets Riverrun, Rickon inherits Winterfell, and Jon gets the seven kingdom themselves 'cause, you know, his heritage thing :biggrin:

Anyway, what I want to know the most is how it all plays out with the White Walkers, and what is their ultimate goal and motives. I'm intrigued more by their lore than knowing who in the end gets the Iron Throne - if someone gets it at all and at the end of the novels there are still Seven Kingdoms, a capital in King's Landing and an iron throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 04, 2016, 02:33:07 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 03, 2016, 10:15:48 AM
I think Kirkman should worry about his own show which is slowly but surely turning into a steaming pile of shit.

Amen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on June 05, 2016, 07:57:30 PM: While not an action packed episode I do like that this season keeps things moving and setting up several different big things. Last three episodes should be interesting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 08:15:09 PM: The North is slowing building their forces. I'm wondering if the Knights of the Vale will join in.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on June 05, 2016, 08:19:27 PM: That lordess at Bear Island wasn't fucking around either. Any idea how many of those little isolated houses/towns there are around Westeros?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 05, 2016, 08:40:05 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 08:15:09 PM
The North is slowing building their forces. I'm wondering if the Knights of the Vale will join in.
I'm positive they'll join the fight if anything Little finger probably is eyeing the opportunity to get back in Sansa's good books and control through proxy. I feel a great setup happening as we speak and can't wait for the last three episodes.

Also love that Sandor is back, really wish I hadn't read the small font someone wrote a few posts back. He was one of my favorite characters. With the way this season is going and everyone coming back from the dead, no telling who else is coming back from seasons past.

Also did they mention or show which city the Ironborn were in? It looked like Volantis from previous season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 08:48:10 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 05, 2016, 08:19:27 PM
That lordess at Bear Island wasn't fucking around either. Any idea how many of those little isolated houses/towns there are around Westeros?

I know there are about a couple dozen in the north. I'm not sure about elsewhere.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 08:49:18 PM: Quote from: faizoff on June 05, 2016, 08:40:05 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 08:15:09 PM
The North is slowing building their forces. I'm wondering if the Knights of the Vale will join in.
I'm positive they'll join the fight if anything Little finger probably is eyeing the opportunity to get back in Sansa's good books and control through proxy. I feel a great setup happening as we speak and can't wait for the last three episodes.

Also love that Sandor is back, really wish I hadn't read the small font someone wrote a few posts back. He was one of my favorite characters. With the way this season is going and everyone coming back from the dead, no telling who else is coming back from seasons past.

Also did they mention or show which city the Ironborn were in? It looked like Volantis from previous season.

It looks exactly like where Tyrion and Varys were, so yes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on June 05, 2016, 08:51:12 PM: Another amazing episode. I have a feeling that the only Lannister left alive at the end of the season will be Tyrion.

Also, what was the significance of the rose picture?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 05, 2016, 09:07:57 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 05, 2016, 08:51:12 PM
Another amazing episode. I have a feeling that the only Lannister left alive at the end of the season will be Tyrion.

Also, what was the significance of the rose picture?

Isn't that the sigil for house Tyrell? Though I have no idea what it signifies with her handing it. Maybe it means that she'll always be of the house Tyrell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 09:09:47 PM: It means Margaery is playing a role right now and hasn't actually converted herself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 05, 2016, 09:22:00 PM: I was quite sure that Margaery was putting on an act from the getgo, though Tommen might not be clued in to what she's doing is what I'm guessing. Also Arya!!?? I wonder if Jaqen H'ghar eventually does save her. We shall see, so excited for the remaining 3 episodes.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 09:29:39 PM: Someone needs to put Tommen out of his misery...or my misery.
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Post by: faizoff on June 05, 2016, 09:33:04 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 09:29:39 PM
Someone needs to put Tommen out of his misery...or my misery.
You need to get laid as well? ;-)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 05, 2016, 11:27:36 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 08:15:09 PM
The North is slowing building their forces. I'm wondering if the Knights of the Vale will join in.

I think that's where Sansa's Raven nite is going. Right to Little Finger, requesting the nights of the Vale.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 06, 2016, 12:05:00 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 05, 2016, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 09:29:39 PM
Someone needs to put Tommen out of his misery...or my misery.
You need to get laid as well? ;-)

What does that have to do with anything? ;)

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 05, 2016, 11:27:36 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 05, 2016, 08:15:09 PM
The North is slowing building their forces. I'm wondering if the Knights of the Vale will join in.

I think that's where Sansa's Raven nite is going. Right to Little Finger, requesting the nights of the Vale.

That's what I was assuming. I didn't catch the name she said to Jon.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 06, 2016, 04:33:54 AM: Great episode.

What's with everyone knowing the Night King's name suddenly?
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 06, 2016, 05:09:44 AM: Pride comes before the fall and Arya is a fool for strutting around town like she's hot shit when she just screwed over a bunch of a badass, assassin shapeshifters. People that gave her back her sight and warned her ass.

So nice to see the hound again. One of my favorite characters.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 06, 2016, 05:13:46 AM: I'm sure everybody knows about the Night's King. A point of order, in the book he's called Night's King. In the show it seems he's called the Night King. Back to his ubiquitous reputation. Considering he's been someone for thousands of years, I'm sure just about everyone in Westeros knows the name. It's part of their history. Considering he's probably one of the most evil mother fuckers out there, he's going to be known.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 06:56:08 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 06, 2016, 05:13:46 AM
I'm sure everybody knows about the Night's King. A point of order, in the book he's called Night's King. In the show it seems he's called the Night King. Back to his ubiquitous reputation. Considering he's been someone for thousands of years, I'm sure just about everyone in Westeros knows the name. It's part of their history. Considering he's probably one of the most evil mother fuckers out there, he's going to be known.

Maybe so, but to most who know of him, he was just lore. The people of the North are starting to hear the word that he is legit, a word being spread by Jon and his people since they are the only ones who have seen him and his army of dead.

Probably my least favorite episode of the season, but it was still pretty solid (just shows how strong this show is). The hound being back was not a surprise for me, it was hinted at in the books that he was alive and the show seems to clearly be setting up for "cleganebowl". His little story was nice and it was cool to see the Brotherhood without Banners again although they definitely seem like "bad guys" now, or it could have just been that they serve the lord of light and the hound was with people of the seven?

Yara likes whores and Theon is getting some tough love from her to get out of his funk. I too was wondering where they were, I guess that could have been and likely was Volantis. Anyone else hear the guy say the Iron Born were in Slaver's Bay in Braavos? I wonder if that's true, besides how quickly people travel in this show, it would also be something if they quickly built 1000 ships.

We have not seen the Manderlays? Or are they on the Bolton side? Jon seems like he is going to get the help of the Vale, as that seems likely who Sansa wrote too and I'd imagine LF is close by with his army just waiting for that. Where was Melisandre?

Marg is definitely playing a game with the Sparrow. I think the rose was just a sign that she hasn't forgotten who she is and that she needed her Grandma to play along and stop going against her. Not sure what the plan is though, but Tommen definitely isn't involved and who knows, this may be the way Tommen ends up dead. Loved how Olenna ripped into Cersei too.

And then there was Riverrun and the threat of hanging Edmure :lol That scene was pretty good and similar to the books about how stupid the Freys are. Kind of curious how this plays out since next week it looks like Brienne makes it there to speak to Jamie. This is playing out differently than the books.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 06, 2016, 07:32:25 AM: I thought last weeks episode was easily the weakest of the season. I really enjoyed this episode I just don't have a clue how they're going to wrap everything up in 3 episodes.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 07:37:13 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 06, 2016, 07:32:25 AM
I thought last weeks episode was easily the weakest of the season. I really enjoyed this episode I just don't have a clue how they're going to wrap everything up in 3 episodes.

They aren't going to be able to. I think a lot of the storylines will be left in limbo like last season, especially since the last two episodes in mid season seemed like set up episodes.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 06, 2016, 08:03:09 AM: I don't know what I did to deserve getting Ian McShane and the return of motherfucking Bronn in the same episode, but I am not complaining.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 06, 2016, 08:06:51 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 06:56:08 AM
Anyone else hear the guy say the Iron Born were in Slaver's Bay in Braavos? I wonder if that's true, besides how quickly people travel in this show, it would also be something if they quickly built 1000 ships.
That can't be exactly true, because Braavos isn't anywhere near Slaver's Bay.

I doubt that Euron's 1,000 ships are already built. Of course, I wouldn't have thought that Yara's fleet would already be in Volantis, either. I guess there was nothing wrong with their warp drive.

Bronn is the man.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 06, 2016, 10:17:27 AM: I liked how Yara stole the idea of snagging Dany from Mereen....going and making a deal with her....beating her Uncle to the punch.

There's an interesting theory online about Arya. That the Waif isn't real...that she's essentially in Arya's mind and she's battling herself to fully go 'faceless'...ala...Fight Club. I think that'd be neat if done correctly. I'm still under the impression that Joquin (spelling?) is not going to kill her...in fact may save her. "what do we say to the god of death?"
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Post by: BlackInk on June 06, 2016, 10:44:53 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 06:56:08 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 06, 2016, 05:13:46 AM
I'm sure everybody knows about the Night's King. A point of order, in the book he's called Night's King. In the show it seems he's called the Night King. Back to his ubiquitous reputation. Considering he's been someone for thousands of years, I'm sure just about everyone in Westeros knows the name. It's part of their history. Considering he's probably one of the most evil mother fuckers out there, he's going to be known.

Maybe so, but to most who know of him, he was just lore. The people of the North are starting to hear the word that he is legit, a word being spread by Jon and his people since they are the only ones who have seen him and his army of dead.

But how does even Jon know who that was specifically? He saw a leader of the White Walkers and was like "yeah that dude's name is definetely 'The Night King'"? That Bran knows makes sense, but how anyone else now suddenly have something to call him doesn't really.

It doesn't bother me though, I like that that whole thing is getting attention, I'm just wondering.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 10:54:13 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 06, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 06:56:08 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 06, 2016, 05:13:46 AM
I'm sure everybody knows about the Night's King. A point of order, in the book he's called Night's King. In the show it seems he's called the Night King. Back to his ubiquitous reputation. Considering he's been someone for thousands of years, I'm sure just about everyone in Westeros knows the name. It's part of their history. Considering he's probably one of the most evil mother fuckers out there, he's going to be known.

Maybe so, but to most who know of him, he was just lore. The people of the North are starting to hear the word that he is legit, a word being spread by Jon and his people since they are the only ones who have seen him and his army of dead.

But how does even Jon know who that was specifically? He saw a leader of the White Walkers and was like "yeah that dude's name is definetely 'The Night King'"? That Bran knows makes sense, but how anyone else now suddenly have something to call him doesn't really.

It doesn't bother me though, I like that that whole thing is getting attention, I'm just wondering.

Yea, I think it's all guessing about how the pieces were put together, but one could think Sam who had studied about them would know from books, but that's just a guess. Maybe the wildlings know who he is? Another guess.

Also, from After the Thrones, they confirmed Theon and Yara to be at Volantis, so you guys got that :tup
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 06, 2016, 12:20:47 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 06, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 06:56:08 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 06, 2016, 05:13:46 AM
I'm sure everybody knows about the Night's King. A point of order, in the book he's called Night's King. In the show it seems he's called the Night King. Back to his ubiquitous reputation. Considering he's been someone for thousands of years, I'm sure just about everyone in Westeros knows the name. It's part of their history. Considering he's probably one of the most evil mother fuckers out there, he's going to be known.

Maybe so, but to most who know of him, he was just lore. The people of the North are starting to hear the word that he is legit, a word being spread by Jon and his people since they are the only ones who have seen him and his army of dead.

But how does even Jon know who that was specifically? He saw a leader of the White Walkers and was like "yeah that dude's name is definetely 'The Night King'"? That Bran knows makes sense, but how anyone else now suddenly have something to call him doesn't really.

It doesn't bother me though, I like that that whole thing is getting attention, I'm just wondering.

It's the same as seeing just about anyone and recognizing them from a description. He's the only one with the "crown" upon his head, so he sticks out from the rest. This is just an assumption of mine though. I'm just thinking about it logically and trying to rationalize how it's possible.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 06, 2016, 02:39:52 PM: BTW....having just begun to watch 'Deadwood' (I'm on the 4th episode of season 2) it was Awesome to Ian McShane in GOT.....and they even let him drop the F'Bomb a couple times.... :lol He's such a presence as an actor..
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Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 02:43:57 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 06, 2016, 02:39:52 PM
BTW....having just begun to watch 'Deadwood' (I'm on the 4th episode of season 2) it was Awesome to Ian McShane in GOT.....and they even let him drop the F'Bomb a couple times.... :lol He's such a presence as an actor..

Never watched Deadwood or seen Ian before, but I very much enjoyed him in the show. I should check Deadwood out, I heard it's great but knowing the show got cut early makes me not want to invest in it.... although I think I heard they may bring it back.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 06, 2016, 02:53:27 PM: I think the Night King is known from lore, and he was named as such. Just like we all know who "the devil" is, now let's make a huge stretch of imagination and let's forget that most traits of Satan are basically pop culture, if "Satan" starts to show up in the world, we'd refer to him as the devil, I take that it's the same with the Night King. I prefer him called the Night King however, makes it more general and menacing, Night's King alone seems a bit still for a proper name.

Anyway, biggest waste of Ian McShane ever, did he want a cameo so they found a part for him, or did the writers really want him but he was busy so he was like "Ok, guys, but I need a short part"? good to see the Hound back however!

And I refuse to believe Arya's gonna kick the bucket that way.

Also, Jaimie punching one of Walder's sons was awesome. And boys does the Blackfish have balls.

Three episodes left, what do you all think it's gonna be the last scene of the season? Tower of Joy flashback? someone going How I Met your Mother on Jon? Dany finally deciding to bring her butt to Westeros? An apocalyptic scene, like, say, Tommen dead for whatever reason and the future of King's Landing left in balance? or even the Night's King arriving at the Wall, even though I assume it's a bit too early for that?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 06, 2016, 02:53:31 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 06, 2016, 02:39:52 PM
BTW....having just begun to watch 'Deadwood' (I'm on the 4th episode of season 2) it was Awesome to Ian McShane in GOT.....and they even let him drop the F'Bomb a couple times.... :lol He's such a presence as an actor..

Never watched Deadwood or seen Ian before, but I very much enjoyed him in the show. I should check Deadwood out, I heard it's great but knowing the show got cut early makes me not want to invest in it.... although I think I heard they may bring it back.

I read they are closer than ever to actually cutting the deal for a movie to give it a proper send off. My understanding is all the major actors are down for it.....not to derail the GOT thread....but I've been digging the show a lot.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 06, 2016, 03:00:18 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 06, 2016, 02:53:27 PM
Anyway, biggest waste of Ian McShane ever, did he want a cameo so they found a part for him, or did the writers really want him but he was busy so he was like "Ok, guys, but I need a short part"? good to see the Hound back however!

And I refuse to believe Arya's gonna kick the bucket that way.

Also, Jaimie punching one of Walder's sons was awesome. And boys does the Blackfish have balls.

Three episodes left, what do you all think it's gonna be the last scene of the season? Tower of Joy flashback? someone going How I Met your Mother on Jon? Dany finally deciding to bring her butt to Westeros? An apocalyptic scene, like, say, Tommen dead for whatever reason and the future of King's Landing left in balance? or even the Night's King arriving at the Wall, even though I assume it's a bit too early for that?

Agree about McShane....he'd have been great to have as a "regular"

I agree as well about Arya. I just have a sneaky suspicion that Joquin (whatever his name is) is "on her side" and will either help her escape or this is all a final test of some sort? I think he's going to kill the Waif because he told her not to let Arya suffer then she goes and gut stabs her a couple times.

After having such a great scene where he shows he's a badass Jamie then gets humiliated by Blackfish. I was expecting Blackfish to push Jamie into the moat just to do it :lol

I think the final scene is two fold beginning with the Night King and his army breaching the Wall and entering into the land of man then cutting to Dany and her army on boats arriving/about to arrive onshore and a shadow of Drogon being projected over Kings Landing.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 03:03:41 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 06, 2016, 02:53:27 PM
And I refuse to believe Arya's gonna kick the bucket that way.

I agree. There is no way she dies from this, all of her story would have been meaningless. However, I'm not sure how she does survive this... was this all part of a final test (either for Arya or the Waif)? Did Arya have someone else change faces to be her? Who is in Braavos that can help her? I only know of one other Braavosi who would help her and he is thought to be dead from season 1.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 06, 2016, 07:27:33 PM: I loved this episode because of the Hound and Bronn. Amazing characters and actors portraying them. It's gonna suck ass when they die (assumption, not spoiler).

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 06, 2016, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 06, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 06, 2016, 02:39:52 PM
BTW....having just begun to watch 'Deadwood' (I'm on the 4th episode of season 2) it was Awesome to Ian McShane in GOT.....and they even let him drop the F'Bomb a couple times.... :lol He's such a presence as an actor..

Never watched Deadwood or seen Ian before, but I very much enjoyed him in the show. I should check Deadwood out, I heard it's great but knowing the show got cut early makes me not want to invest in it.... although I think I heard they may bring it back.

I read they are closer than ever to actually cutting the deal for a movie to give it a proper send off. My understanding is all the major actors are down for it.....not to derail the GOT thread....but I've been digging the show a lot.

I totally see it going that way. They did the last two episodes in theatres last year. It was totally a tester for exactly this situation. I will be shocked if they don't do the finale in theatres again this year.
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Post by: Evermind on June 06, 2016, 10:38:57 PM: I agree about Ian McShane. Was looking forward to his appearance and he just got some short scenes and died. :(

Him and Alexander Siddig are two biggest wastes of great actors on the show, in my opinion.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 07, 2016, 05:24:41 AM: That was one of the reasons for him taking the role. He knew it would be short lived.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 07, 2016, 06:29:18 AM: Another good episode. Great to see the Hound back, as he is one of my favourites.

I thought Arya's escape was going too well when she threw the second money pouch down on the table to get her 'upgrade'. Gotta watch those little old ladies, they can be deadly!

Nice to see Tim McInnerny from Blackadder (Percy, Captain Darling) make an appearance as Lord Glover. Also, Ian McShane as mentioned.

One thing I'm not overly keen on is Bronn - I kinda think his character is done. He should have disappeared way back when things started going south for Tyrion.

BTW - What did people think of the way it started, just launching in to the big reveal before the usual title sequence? I thought it was a great way to do it, and something fresh. :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2016, 07:50:55 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 07, 2016, 06:29:18 AM
BTW - What did people think of the way it started, just launching in to the big reveal before the usual title sequence? I thought it was a great way to do it, and something fresh. :tup

Personally didn't like it because I knew something big was going to happen right away.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2016, 08:58:56 AM: I liked it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 07, 2016, 09:15:35 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2016, 08:58:56 AM
I liked it.

As did I. This isn't the first time they've led off an episode right into the "action"....I can't recall every instance but they have done similar intro's before. What's the difference anyway? So you get the intro sequence and then you find out the Hound is back one minute into the show rather than 30 seconds in?
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Post by: faizoff on June 07, 2016, 09:30:18 AM: They did it that way because they wanted the audience to see Rory first before seeing his name on the credits on the intro.

I came across this website the other day and it's an excellent read that talks about the difference between the book and show per episode. I can't believe I'm just now discovering this site.
www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/tag/game-of-thrones
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Post by: BlackInk on June 07, 2016, 09:59:00 AM: I think the only other times they've opened with scenes before the opening titles are season premiers. In season 1 it was the first White Walker scene, in season 3 it was Sam running through the snow, in season 4 it was Tywin melting down Ned's sword. Don't remember if there was any in the season 2 premiere, but there was none in 5 and 6.

I always liked the idea to only do it in season premieres. That way it would be like the prologues in the books.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2016, 11:00:40 AM: I could have sworn the episode that showed the flashback to Cersei and friend's childhood encounter with the fortune teller was done in a pre-opener scene.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2016, 11:16:14 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2016, 11:00:40 AM
I could have sworn the episode that showed the flashback to Cersei and friend's childhood encounter with the fortune teller was done in a pre-opener scene.

I think that was season 5 premiere first scene, but don't recall if it was before or after the credits.
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Post by: Podaar on June 07, 2016, 11:17:15 AM: I think Hef is right 'bout that.
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Post by: faizoff on June 07, 2016, 11:24:34 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2016, 11:00:40 AM
I could have sworn the episode that showed the flashback to Cersei and friend's childhood encounter with the fortune teller was done in a pre-opener scene.
That was the season 5 opener but was shown after the intro because right at the end of the flashback when Cersei's name is called, it echoes and then they show her in modern day.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 07, 2016, 11:45:35 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 07, 2016, 09:30:18 AM
They did it that way because they wanted the audience to see Rory first before seeing his name on the credits on the intro.

This made me realize how the credits already give away which scenes are gonna be included and which not. When I saw Jaimie's actor top billed I immediately thought "What, no Tyrion this week?" since Peter Dinklage usually is billed first.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 07, 2016, 12:25:11 PM: I think what gave away The Hound's return was the title. As soon as I saw action before the opening theme, I knew it was going to happen then, as many others probably assumed correctly.

Did I like the usage of action happening before the opening theme? Absolutely.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 07, 2016, 12:30:46 PM: Meanwhile, in Dorne....

...well, nothing's happening. Dramatic coup and that was it. The Lannisters didn't bother (even though they have other urgent matters at hand), Ellaria isn't doing anything, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if we wouldn't even see it again before the season's over.

I wonder how much and in which detail George Martin told the writers about the endgame, if it was just a checkpoint of "This lives, this dies, this event is pivotal and you have to keep it otherwise a lot of other stuff can't happen" or if basically they asked him "Hey George, is Dorne absolutely vital to the ending? no? Okay, we'll do it our way thanks" *characters get killed off and then sidelined*
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Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2016, 12:35:41 PM: Yea, Dorne is really a head scratcher. With major characters cut from the getgo, you knew the show was doing something different, but then they just killed the entire plotline. I refuse to believe that it's totally dead though. I have this feeling the Sand Snakes will play some role in a major event down the line, kind of like when you finally have forgotten about them, then they do something surprising. No idea what, but I can't help but feel like that has to happen.

I am kind of surprised Tommen seems to have no reaction to his sister's murder. We know Cersei would love to attack Dorne, but she has no power so it's no surprise she can't do anything about it, and Jamie lost his power so it really comes down to Kevin I guess making a decision to let it be I guess? I guess with the Faith taking over, they have enough on their hands.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 07, 2016, 12:48:50 PM: Dorne is a mystery. It went from being on of the more intriguing plotlines in the book to having very little relevance in the show. Have they even went back to it since the murders in the beginning of the season?
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Post by: BlackInk on June 07, 2016, 12:55:39 PM: Nope. That has been all the Dorne stuff so far this season.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2016, 01:00:59 PM: Quote from: faizoff on June 07, 2016, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2016, 11:00:40 AM
I could have sworn the episode that showed the flashback to Cersei and friend's childhood encounter with the fortune teller was done in a pre-opener scene.
That was the season 5 opener but was shown after the intro because right at the end of the flashback when Cersei's name is called, it echoes and then they show her in modern day.
Oh, OK. Thanks.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 07, 2016, 08:06:10 PM: I bet we're not gonna see Dorne again for the rest of the season.
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Post by: faizoff on June 07, 2016, 08:42:59 PM: My guess is we'll either see them in the last episode of have some chatter about the Lannisters dealing with them
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 07, 2016, 11:21:51 PM: OK..... I'm on netflix, a season behind. Just finished season 5 (finale). While I understand that in the GOT's universe nothing, or no one is safe....FUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!! Not Jon Snow!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Post by: Tyrias on June 08, 2016, 12:11:37 AM: Ok, some more steam for theories on what happened to Arya. Looking closely, you could see her walking by herself at one point during the last episode, before she was stabbed. SO are there 2 Aryas now? Was on Jaqen protecting her? Is it all some kind of test?

https://9gag.com/gag/aGxPPqZ
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 08, 2016, 01:07:01 AM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on June 07, 2016, 11:21:51 PM
OK..... I'm on netflix, a season behind. Just finished season 5 (finale). While I understand that in the GOT's universe nothing, or no one is safe....FUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!! Not Jon Snow!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I know... there was an internet riot one year ago! at least his death will have severe repercussions (won't go into spoilery details here) so he won't be gone in vain.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 08, 2016, 03:17:48 AM: Crimson Sunrise I really advice you to stay away from this thread until you catch up bro.
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Post by: faizoff on June 08, 2016, 03:39:24 AM: Since when does Netflix have GOT?
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 05:11:23 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 08, 2016, 03:39:24 AM
Since when does Netflix have GOT?

I was wondering that very same thing.

Quote from: Tyrias on June 08, 2016, 12:11:37 AM
Ok, some more steam for theories on what happened to Arya. Looking closely, you could see her walking by herself at one point during the last episode, before she was stabbed. SO are there 2 Aryas now? Was on Jaqen protecting her? Is it all some kind of test?

https://9gag.com/gag/aGxPPqZ

It looks like it could be her, or it could be someone else training to be "no one".
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2016, 05:24:45 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 08, 2016, 03:39:24 AM
Since when does Netflix have GOT?

He's probably confusing HBOGO since netflix does not have it.

Quote from: Tyrias on June 08, 2016, 12:11:37 AM
Ok, some more steam for theories on what happened to Arya. Looking closely, you could see her walking by herself at one point during the last episode, before she was stabbed. SO are there 2 Aryas now? Was on Jaqen protecting her? Is it all some kind of test?

https://9gag.com/gag/aGxPPqZ

I'm seeing this theory come up a lot now.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 05:35:08 AM: I don't think that's Arya. What if it's Jaqen disguised as her? Notice how relax Arya is acting. She knows she's marked for death, which is why she went back and grabbed the sword. Where is Needle when she's walking along?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2016, 05:41:43 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 05:35:08 AM
I don't think that's Arya. What if it's Jaqen disguised as her? Notice how relax Arya is acting. She knows she's marked for death, which is why she went back and grabbed the sword. Where is Needle when she's walking along?

I don't have answers for your questions, I have no idea. I just want her to get saved by Syrio and brought back to Westeros with him and then reunited with the Hound and they make up and are bffs and then all three complete Arya's list (even though the Hound is on that list) :lol
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 08, 2016, 05:43:27 AM: Quote from: Tyrias on June 08, 2016, 12:11:37 AM
Ok, some more steam for theories on what happened to Arya. Looking closely, you could see her walking by herself at one point during the last episode, before she was stabbed. SO are there 2 Aryas now? Was on Jaqen protecting her? Is it all some kind of test?

https://9gag.com/gag/aGxPPqZ

Yeah, I caught that too while watching. I was like "oh, that other girl is dressed a lot like arya", not thinking much of it at the time, but now it seems to make more sense that it may have be jaqen, considering the demeanor and behavior and leaving himself wide open for attack.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 08, 2016, 06:26:22 AM: I could buy into the "Jaqen H'ghar -> Arya" theory, simply because I don't think they would let her die as cheaply as that. So either she isn't quite finished off, or someone else has taken on her appearance.

The only thing that gives me pause is - can the Faceless Men take the form of anyone at all, or can they only call on their bank of faces/identities from the dead people they have "processed" in their temple? I'm not sure, and I can't seem to find any good info on it..

The other theory is that the Waif doesn't actually exist, and it's all an internal battle Arya is having between her old and new selves.

Here's a good link on the theories: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/06/read-this-theory-if-you-want-to-feel-way-better-ab.html
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 08, 2016, 06:36:48 AM: Interesting theories. I was also wondering where needle was. I buy more into the idea that this was test for the waife and that Jacquin was impersonating Arya. The waife failed becasue she made him suffer.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2016, 06:51:25 AM: What did Sansa write in the letter? Someone was able to figure it out (mostly, but you get the point)

https://imgur.com/a/p2mfe (https://imgur.com/a/p2mfe)
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Post by: Progmetty on June 08, 2016, 07:03:08 AM: The stuff with Arya is a bit confusing, why would Jaqen H'ghar put on an act just for the waif? He doesn't want to kill Arya but he's worried about losing the waif's respect if he lets Arya lives, maybe?
I'm excited about the score of this season to come out within the next few weeks, the musical has been spectacular.
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 08, 2016, 07:07:14 AM: There is certainly enough that feels odd about that scenario to suspect there might be some Face swapping going on...

The only thing I don't get is, if that was Jaqen (or a Faceless Man) posing as Arya, then why did we follow her walking through the streets looking afraid and alone at the end of the episode? Clearly in that moment we are meant to feel the vulnerability of Arya, and it seems a strange choice if that is actually Jaqen who put himself at risk of death or suffering as part of a deliberate plan. But in the scene leading up to her geting stabbed there is definitely enough there to make it plausible that she is an imposter. Particularly the strange mannerisms and speech for Arya. I just saw this (https://imgur.com/a/xvoXs) collection of images that sums up all the different circumstantial evidence nicely (not sure if it has been posted here yet).

To be honest I actually noticed the girl with the same outfit as Arya straight away when she walked past, but I never thought that was actually Arya; surely the point of wearing an outfit to try to blend in would be having clothes and hair that other regular people have too? Also, even if the theory that the Arya that was stabbed is an imposter is true, it still wouldn't really make sense for the real Arya to be strolling right past her in the street, since a big part of what makes the imposter theory plausible is that the real Arya may be in hiding.

Anyway, we will definitely find the answer and I think get the conclusion to Arya's Faceless Man training arc in the next episode. Also, supposedly episodes 8, 9 and 10 are among the longest Game Of Thrones episodes we have had (and that's the reason some episodes this season have been on the short side; they wanted to make these episodes longer than usual). I think we are set up for an epic run of episodes to end this season after a couple of quieter episodes of build up since the Night's King attacked Bran's cave.

I loved the Hound's reintroduction and storyline this episode. It felt quite distinct compared to regular Game Of Thrones, and reminded me quite a lot of the TV show LOST (something I've seen other people online say as well). The aesthetic of the septon's camp in the hills is quite reminiscent of something like the Others or Dharma in LOST, and the storyline was quite like something from that show as well, but I think the most striking similarity was that intro: LOST frequently began with a sequence where the viewer wasn't immediately sure where they were or what the significance was, then they revealed the presence of a particular character or object and it became clear. That was exactly how things were done with the Hound, and I think it was done really well.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 07:33:10 AM: Many interesting theories on Arya....of which I really liked the link RuRoRul provided, seemed to be the most comprehensive. If anything it's safe to say something is awry with that situation because Arya was kind of out of character with her behavior.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2016, 07:50:36 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on June 08, 2016, 07:07:14 AM
Also, supposedly episodes 8, 9 and 10 are among the longest Game Of Thrones episodes we have had (and that's the reason some episodes this season have been on the short side; they wanted to make these episodes longer than usual). I think we are set up for an epic run of episodes to end this season after a couple of quieter episodes of build up since the Night's King attacked Bran's cave.

I don't think I've ever been so excited for a stretch of episodes ever as I am for these last three.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 08, 2016, 08:12:47 AM: The title of the next episode is "No One" so I assume we will get resolution on the Arya storyline.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 08:53:29 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 08, 2016, 08:12:47 AM
The title of the next episode is "No One" so I assume we will get resolution on the Arya storyline.

It'd be funny if it were just non stop slow camera moving sequences throughout all the different landscapes, locations and imagery for an hour and there were literally no one on camera the entire time.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2016, 08:57:36 AM: Isn't the finale listed as 90 minutes long? Hype.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 08, 2016, 08:59:31 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 08, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
Isn't the finale listed as 90 minutes long? Hype.
No clue.
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Post by: Podaar on June 08, 2016, 10:13:41 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 08:53:29 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 08, 2016, 08:12:47 AM
The title of the next episode is "No One" so I assume we will get resolution on the Arya storyline.

It'd be funny if it were just non stop slow camera moving sequences throughout all the different landscapes, locations and imagery for an hour and there were literally no one on camera the entire time.

:lol :tup
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 08, 2016, 12:01:29 PM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 08, 2016, 06:26:22 AM
The other theory is that the Waif doesn't actually exist, and it's all an internal battle Arya is having between her old and new selves.

Please Seven Gods, no. This is one of those cheap trick that works exactly once or at best twice in the entire history of books, movies and any other form and entertainment, and the more it gets repeated, the more it feels contrived and borderline "It was all a dream" as an excuse.

I agree that several things don't add up, and that from a storytelling point if you're gonna kill a character, it makes zero sense to have her wounded in one episode and then simply die in the other - imagine for a moment that Joffrey was a beloved character and he starts to cough at the end of an episode only to die at the beginning of the next... what??? makes no sense - , but whatever the explanation is, please don't let it be "She imagined the other person".

BTW, I had to look up what the hell a Waif was. Was she even mentioned by name or it's just the way the script addressed her and somehow the name got known?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 12:03:55 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 08, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
what the hell a Waif was. Was she even mentioned by name or it's just the way the script addressed her and somehow the name got known?

I was curious about that as well? I just noticed that people started calling her that.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2016, 12:06:03 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 12:03:55 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on June 08, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
what the hell a Waif was. Was she even mentioned by name or it's just the way the script addressed her and somehow the name got known?

I was curious about that as well? I just noticed that people started calling her that.

I don't recall that name being used in the show, but it's what she is called in the books and has been referenced by that name in After the Thrones.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 12:40:19 PM: The Waif doesn't have a name in the books and that is the name given to her by Arya.

https://breakingt.com/collections/the-game-of-thrones-collection/products/make-westeros-great-again :lol

The last two episode titles have been confirmed by HBO. Will episode 9 be in one location, like battles have been in the past in the episodes Watchers on the Wall and Blackwater. https://watchersonthewall.com/hbo-schedule-confirms-last-two-episode-titles-game-thrones-season-6/#more-67823
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 08, 2016, 01:23:38 PM: With three episodes left already, I hope the Battle of the Bastards won't take up the entire episode. Of course it will be the most important thing of the episode, like the Red Wedding or Hardhome, but I hope we get to see other stuff as well, since the contrary would mean we have only two episode lefts and 60 minutes of Jon Snow kicking Ramsay's ass. Not that I wouldn't mind if that's the actual outcome :laugh: (I actually think it will be so, what I'm afraid of is other casualties in Jon's team... and anyway, it will be a short lived victory, since the White Walkers will surely break over)
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Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2016, 01:29:19 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 08, 2016, 01:23:38 PM
With three episodes left already, I hope the Battle of the Bastards won't take up the entire episode. Of course it will be the most important thing of the episode, like the Red Wedding or Hardhome, but I hope we get to see other stuff as well, since the contrary would mean we have only two episode lefts and 60 minutes of Jon Snow kicking Ramsay's ass. Not that I wouldn't mind if that's the actual outcome :laugh: (I actually think it will be so, what I'm afraid of is other casualties in Jon's team... and anyway, it will be a short lived victory, since the White Walkers will surely break over)

Seems like that's going to be the case. If it's well done like the other two episodes were, I'm fine with it. I will say that with the shortened seasons coming up, this does feel like we aren't getting enough attention to other characters and storylines if we dedicate an entire episode to one.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 01:37:29 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 08, 2016, 01:23:38 PM
With three episodes left already, I hope the Battle of the Bastards won't take up the entire episode. Of course it will be the most important thing of the episode, like the Red Wedding or Hardhome, but I hope we get to see other stuff as well, since the contrary would mean we have only two episode lefts and 60 minutes of Jon Snow kicking Ramsay's ass. Not that I wouldn't mind if that's the actual outcome :laugh: (I actually think it will be so, what I'm afraid of is other casualties in Jon's team... and anyway, it will be a short lived victory, since the White Walkers will surely break over)

I'd bet it's not the entire episode but the major chunk of it....40+ minutes.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 01:39:06 PM: Stole these from your timeline on FB John....i thought they were funny :lol

(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/023DC126-E972-40AB-8DB8-CDDFEBE74508.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/023DC126-E972-40AB-8DB8-CDDFEBE74508.jpg.html)

(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/B613D2E6-9AFE-448E-A3D4-018BD7BD49B6.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/B613D2E6-9AFE-448E-A3D4-018BD7BD49B6.jpg.html)

(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/5AF3A054-755E-4B3D-A814-EB70F6E24715.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/5AF3A054-755E-4B3D-A814-EB70F6E24715.jpg.html)
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 01:44:02 PM: :lol

There are so many good ones on that Facebook page where I found them.
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Post by: jakepriest on June 08, 2016, 01:53:45 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 01:39:06 PM
(https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/5AF3A054-755E-4B3D-A814-EB70F6E24715.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/5AF3A054-755E-4B3D-A814-EB70F6E24715.jpg.html)

I didn't know that it was possible at this point, but I found this girl more annoying than Daenerys.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 08, 2016, 02:01:59 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 12:40:19 PM
The Waif doesn't have a name in the books and that is the name given to her by Arya.

https://breakingt.com/collections/the-game-of-thrones-collection/products/make-westeros-great-again :lol

What, you guys didn't know she was called the Waif? Are you real fans or what?? :P

(I didn't either - got it from here: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Waif) :lol
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Post by: Progmetty on June 08, 2016, 03:32:00 PM: I liked the Mormont girl, I wonder how she feels about Jorah and would he be head of the house if he was pardoned by the king/queen and came back to Westeros.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 08, 2016, 07:39:47 PM: All the talk about Ian McShane has got me watching Deadwood. I now am very sad that Mcshane died after only one episode
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 08, 2016, 08:00:27 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 08, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
All the talk about Ian McShane has got me watching Deadwood. I now am very sad that Mcshane died after only one episode

I'd never watched Deadwood and then started last week. Three Episodes to go. I hope the rumors are true about a movie in the works. Apparently it's closer than ever.

Swearanger is an awesome character
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Post by: faizoff on June 08, 2016, 09:35:50 PM: Fucking pumped.
https://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/08/game-thrones-season-6-finale
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Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2016, 10:55:19 PM: Okay, 69 minutes. Not as long as 90, but still hype.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 08, 2016, 11:02:44 PM: Does anybody know for sure if Hafþór Björnsson is still playing the mountain? We've only seen his face back in season 4 when he fought Oberyn Martell, I don't know if he's the person currently in the mountain's armor, the eyes seem to be CGI but I'm not sure.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 11:49:57 PM: Yes, he is.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 09, 2016, 12:26:51 AM: That's cool, I like him although I prefer either one of the other actors who played The Mountain

(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2014/05/19/19-the-mountain-2.w529.h352.jpg)

Because The Mountain is The Hound's older brother, he was knighted by Rhaegar Targaryen and fought during the rebellion so he's at least 45 years old and the actor playing The Hound looks ridiculously older than Björnsson.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2016, 03:42:00 AM: Well, he's disfigured and has a beard, two traits that would make you seem older, so that could be an in-universe justification.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2016, 06:39:56 AM: I think when they chose the 3rd actor they must have gone for the "bigger" over "older" look. Regardless they probably also knew he only needed to fight and then we'd never really see his face again anyway.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 09, 2016, 07:05:11 AM: Yeah, I'd say they went for physical size first and foremost. The earlier two actors weren't really as physically imposing.

I was surprised to see that Hafþór Björnsson is only 27? He looks a bit older than that.

I hope we get to see him without the helmet on, but I'm sure it won't be pretty. :omg:
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 07:09:57 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 09, 2016, 06:39:56 AM
I think when they chose the 3rd actor they must have gone for the "bigger" over "older" look. Regardless they probably also knew he only needed to fight and then we'd never really see his face again anyway.

That's what I assume as well. He's won those World's Strongest Man competitions from what I've gathered.
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Post by: jakepriest on June 09, 2016, 07:19:44 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 07:09:57 AM
That's what I assume as well. He's won those World's Strongest Man competitions from what I've gathered.

Nah, he has won Europe two times, but that's only because Savickas wasn't competing. That man is unbeatable in these competitions.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 07:34:49 AM: Quote from: jakepriest on June 09, 2016, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 07:09:57 AM
That's what I assume as well. He's won those World's Strongest Man competitions from what I've gathered.

Nah, he has won Europe two times, but that's only because Savickas wasn't competing. That man is unbeatable in these competitions.

You know more about it than I do. I knew he won something. :lol
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2016, 07:54:12 AM: He is big as all fuck, that's all I know.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 08:00:52 AM: I could take him...

...for a drink. :biggrin:
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2016, 08:09:23 AM: :tup
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Post by: Progmetty on June 09, 2016, 08:31:06 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 09, 2016, 06:39:56 AM
I think when they chose the 3rd actor they must have gone for the "bigger" over "older" look. Regardless they probably also knew he only needed to fight and then we'd never really see his face again anyway.

I could be a bit of a stickler about this but I don't think we should have ever seen his face in the first place, it doesn't take looking up to realize the guy can't be anywhere over 35 and the actor playing Sandor is around 50. The reason this stuck to me is that ever since Sandor told Arya about how his older brother treated his as a child and how that basically helped shape him into the person we met on the show in the first 4 seasons, ever since that I've been looking forward to seeing him confront his brother and even though Gregor as Sandor knows him is dead and presumably just a Frankenstein monster at this point, I still remember what and who the person under the armor is, but oh well.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2016, 08:55:54 AM: Yea, it's definitely something that is off, no doubts about that.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 08:22:51 PM: (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13427895_989391984501611_953648832936000218_n.jpg?oh=caffa38ff490147574cfb9d73dee3780&oe=57D521DD)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13394158_989391981168278_8093738684693816829_n.jpg?oh=b11c14e0bf59d5f4a2a2f559aac895ef&oe=5804C618)
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 08:35:33 PM: Did anyone stop to think about Ian McShane's death in the show? Isn't that a certain someone's M.O.for killing? Also, I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but was one of those three Brothers, Lem Lemoncloak?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 06:32:53 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 08:35:33 PM
Did anyone stop to think about Ian McShane's death in the show? Isn't that a certain someone's M.O.for killing? Also, I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but was one of those three Brothers, Lem Lemoncloak?

Yes and yes, I believe somewhere someone confirmed Lem (also his clothing gives it away). The hanging and possible changing of ways by the Brotherhood seems to imply they may be under rule of LS. I do feel like this could be the end of season WTF moment, makes sense considering all of the dead that have been raised lately (Jon, The Mountain, Benjen)

I saw that pic on your fb before seeing it here... I totally get the feeling we may see Syrio again, just a hunch given all the other characters returning and the way Arya's story is playing out, I see it totally plausible that they are the same person.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 10, 2016, 06:48:35 AM: It's funny that we're at a point in the story where the characters returning are more than the ones dying :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 06:55:14 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 10, 2016, 06:48:35 AM
It's funny that we're at a point in the story where the characters returning are more than the ones dying :lol

:lol true but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. I can only imagine how many deaths there will be in the next few episodes. Which I guess leads me to the question..... who do you think will die before the end of the season?

Tommen
Rickon
Ramsay
Loras

Those seem most likely to me
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 10, 2016, 06:56:06 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 06:32:53 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 09, 2016, 08:35:33 PM
Did anyone stop to think about Ian McShane's death in the show? Isn't that a certain someone's M.O.for killing? Also, I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but was one of those three Brothers, Lem Lemoncloak?

Yes and yes, I believe somewhere someone confirmed Lem (also his clothing gives it away). The hanging and possible changing of ways by the Brotherhood seems to imply they may be under rule of LS. I do feel like this could be the end of season WTF moment, makes sense considering all of the dead that have been raised lately (Jon, The Mountain, Benjen)

I saw that pic on your fb before seeing it here... I totally get the feeling we may see Syrio again, just a hunch given all the other characters returning and the way Arya's story is playing out, I see it totally plausible that they are the same person.

Since the last two seasons have been confirmed to be shortened seasons, and we're running out of time, any unresolved deaths will start to come to light.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 10, 2016, 07:06:01 AM: Ramsay will definitively get killed by Jon Snow in the battle for Winterfell, I'm afraid for side casualties and Rickon may be one of them, but I have a feeling that he will survive, if only to be the one continuing the Stark lineage after all it's said and done.

Tommen most likely will bite the bullet too, don't know how the endgame with Loras and Margaery's plans will be however. The High Sparrow either emerges out of this season as a dominant force or six feet under.

The Waif is toast also one way or the other I guess. And maybe... the Mountain!!!!
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Post by: chknptpie on June 10, 2016, 07:20:27 AM: I hope Sansa gets to kill Ramsay. She's earned that.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2016, 07:27:09 AM: I have an eerie feeling that Ramsay won't die at the battle of Winterfell, he'll probably be held prisoner because that's the type of person Jon Snow is.....escape.....and then maybe, just maybe Theon will get his revenge. He deserves it WAY more than Sansa IMO.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 10, 2016, 07:40:27 AM: Anybody have any idea how jaqen caught caught in the first place. I've have always wondered how he got in that cage.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2016, 07:43:16 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 10, 2016, 07:40:27 AM
Anybody have any idea how jaqen caught caught in the first place. I've have always wondered how he got in that cage.

Looking back on it now it appears that he was following Arya....knew she'd be there.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 07:43:28 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 10, 2016, 07:40:27 AM
Anybody have any idea how jaqen caught caught in the first place. I've have always wondered how he got in that cage.

Maybe by Syrio changing face to Jaqen he was able to fake being a prisoner to escape Kings Landing.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2016, 07:50:57 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 07:43:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 10, 2016, 07:40:27 AM
Anybody have any idea how jaqen caught caught in the first place. I've have always wondered how he got in that cage.

Maybe by Syrio changing face to Jaqen he was able to fake being a prisoner to escape Kings Landing.

as much as it's been refuted that Syrio is not Jaquen (vice versa) it really is shaping up to where that is plausible. Arya flees Kingslanding at his behest and then down the road she 'happens' to meet Jaquen.

It'd be nice to get this cleared up this season just to know, but her storyline has been only getting 5 minutes or so an episode so I doubt it'll be any more clear anytime soon.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 10, 2016, 07:55:54 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2016, 07:27:09 AM
I have an eerie feeling that Ramsay won't die at the battle of Winterfell, he'll probably be held prisoner because that's the type of person Jon Snow is.....escape.....and then maybe, just maybe Theon will get his revenge. He deserves it WAY more than Sansa IMO.

That's the way John Snow was before he died. There is no way they keep Ramsay alive. I think Sansa is going to kill him. I have a feeling that Littlefinger is going to sacrifice himself for Sansa and give her the opprotunity to kill Ramsey. We'll see in two weeks!
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Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 08:06:29 AM: LF sacrifice himeself? No way IMO he is way to selfish.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 10, 2016, 08:24:11 AM: I'd like to think that he'd do it out of his love for Catlyn.
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Post by: v_clortho on June 10, 2016, 08:34:58 AM: What about this series makes anyone think that the Starks will win the battle? I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsey ended up killing Jon Snow and recapturing Sansa. With the way this show has gone, that seems much more likely than the Starks winning.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2016, 08:41:49 AM: Quote from: v_clortho on June 10, 2016, 08:34:58 AM
What about this series makes anyone think that the Starks will win the battle? I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsey ended up killing Jon Snow and recapturing Sansa. With the way this show has gone, that seems much more likely than the Starks winning.

understandable, but if Martin (and the HBO honchos) want to tell a good, solid story it's that time of the tale for things to begin to shape up for the ending. Doesn't have to be a 'happy' ending per say....but the evidence that has been spattered about the chaos of the show thus far suggests that it's time for the Starks to win.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 08:42:06 AM: Quote from: v_clortho on June 10, 2016, 08:34:58 AM
What about this series makes anyone think that the Starks will win the battle? I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsey ended up killing Jon Snow and recapturing Sansa. With the way this show has gone, that seems much more likely than the Starks winning.

Jon Snow is way too important. I think we find out why in the season finale. I do agree somewhat that the obvious of Ramsay being defeated may not happen because it seems so obvious, but I don't see Jon dying. In fact, since the series is coming towards an ending, I got to think the North will be united soon to begin the fight against the White Walkers.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2016, 09:05:14 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
Quote from: v_clortho on June 10, 2016, 08:34:58 AM
What about this series makes anyone think that the Starks will win the battle? I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsey ended up killing Jon Snow and recapturing Sansa. With the way this show has gone, that seems much more likely than the Starks winning.

Jon Snow is way too important. I think we find out why in the season finale. I do agree somewhat that the obvious of Ramsay being defeated may not happen because it seems so obvious, but I don't see Jon dying. In fact, since the series is coming towards an ending, I got to think the North will be united soon to begin the fight against the White Walkers.

Yeah....the larger stories are coming in to play and Ramsay is not part of the larger story IMO. It's the battle vs the White Walkers and what's going to happen in Kings Landing with Dany....it seems to me that those will be the focus here on out with the Ramsay/Winterfell storyline being decided in Episode 8.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 10, 2016, 09:12:29 AM: Quote from: v_clortho on June 10, 2016, 08:34:58 AM
What about this series makes anyone think that the Starks will win the battle? I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsey ended up killing Jon Snow and recapturing Sansa. With the way this show has gone, that seems much more likely than the Starks winning.

I don't think it's anticipation that Starks take all, but rather that there's a reason the whole thing (originally) is called A Song of Ice and Fire, which is that the final conflict is dragonDany vs. Ice – the (redistributed) Stark sword and, evidently, the frozen Stark family itself. We just wanna see that take shape now that the end is in sight and nobody knows what the hell is coming around each corner.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 10, 2016, 10:36:48 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 08:06:29 AM
LF sacrifice himeself? No way IMO he is way to selfish.

Quote from: kaos2900 on June 10, 2016, 08:24:11 AM
I'd like to think that he'd do it out of his love for Catlyn.

I don't think Littlefinger has any reedeming qualities. Varys' quote about him "He would let the world burn if he could be king of the ashes" may be entirely accurate. Sure he wouldn't mind if Sansa is alive and well but there's no one in Westeros and Essos he'd die for, for me.

Quote from: v_clortho on June 10, 2016, 08:34:58 AM
What about this series makes anyone think that the Starks will win the battle? I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsey ended up killing Jon Snow and recapturing Sansa. With the way this show has gone, that seems much more likely than the Starks winning.

Even from a non predictable narrative standpoint, it doesn't make sense to kill Jon Snow, resurrect him and then let him die again. Jon also is clearly shaped up to be one of the key players of the endgame, and he just can't die before he, or at least the audience, discovers who his real parents are.

Also, the White Walkers are clearly and surely gonna invade Westeros one way or the other and what's the point of having Ramsay holding the north when he's gonna be icy-trampled to death anyway?

Surely it won't be an entirely happy ending, and even if it is, it will be a short lived happiness when the White Walkers will invade, but the battle for Winterfell is the last time a character like Ramsay is needed.

Then again, we're all none the wiser and we shall see, Ramsay could lose the castle but escape, kill a lot of good guys before falling etc, but I would be very surprised if there's still the Bolton banner on top of Winterfell when the season ends.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2016, 10:48:53 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 10, 2016, 10:36:48 AM
Then again, we're all none the wiser and we shall see, Ramsay could lose the castle but escape, kill a lot of good guys before falling etc, but I would be very surprised if there's still the Bolton banner on top of Winterfell when the season ends.

Melissandrea saw it herself in the flames, the bolton flags will be down and she will walk through Winterfell. To me, it's mostly "what's the collateral damage" and I immediately think it's Rickon. Maybe, but hopefully not, Tormund. I feel like a "good guy" has to die at this battle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 10, 2016, 11:34:35 AM: Quote from: v_clortho on June 10, 2016, 08:34:58 AM
What about this series makes anyone think that the Starks will win the battle? I wouldn't be surprised if Ramsey ended up killing Jon Snow and recapturing Sansa. With the way this show has gone, that seems much more likely than the Starks winning.

Do you want some coffee, Mr Tulley?

Moving along, Jon Snow isn't getting killed. That would be poor storytelling on Mr. Martin's part. Shock value and writing the unexpected are one thing, but killing someone that just came back to life after ending his previous book with one of the biggest cliffhangers, involving that same character, in recent literary history has no reasonable assurance. Even though Martin has killed off some of our favorite characters, there was always logic behind his decision, and it fit well with the story. Jon will be around towards the end or even possibly at the end. It would be against his heroic status to die any time sooner.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: v_clortho on June 10, 2016, 11:42:08 AM: What if at the end we're meant to cheer for the white walkers? Maybe all the bad guys will prevail and then get their butts kicked by the others? (I doubt it)
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 10, 2016, 11:55:08 AM: I think there will be a drastic change involving The Others and I think Daenerys has the capability to go mad like her ancestors. We'll learn of something groundbreaking regarding Varys. Sansa will be extremely important the further we get towards the end and last week's episode has started to show that.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 11, 2016, 02:04:16 AM: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that the White Walkers are the good guys, in a warped sense. Protecting Westeros from the fracked up sh!t men do, or from the real menace of the dragons... there was some pages ago a link to a theory that seemed to make sense, that the War for the Dawn ended not with a victory but with a truce, and the White Walkers *chose* to stay the hell away.

In the show the Children of the Forest appear to have created the White Walkers to defend themselves from humans, so it could really be that the White Walkers are trying to protect Westeros from men.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 11, 2016, 03:36:33 AM: What makes me doubt that is the fact that GRRM compared the white walkers to climate change on different occasions and interviews, the threat sneaking up on humanity while humanity is busy with it's own squabbles. So it's hard to think of them as the good guys in the context.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 11, 2016, 04:31:07 AM: Well, but we brought climate change upon Earth, it's not that the sun got closer or something. If the White Walkers were created to defend the Children of the Forest from humans, maybe men have their blame somehow.

Always that reddit theory I talked about reported a quote from GRRM, he said something along the lines of "Ok, Tolkien is a god and everything, but only he got right the whole dark lord vs heroes thing, it's boring to have evil dark lords everywhere" and someone pointed out "Ok, but the White Walkers - the Others in the book - are pure evil" and he said "There's more to them than that, you'll see".

Anyway, as I said before, this whole White Walkers thing is what interests me the most about the series. More than knowing who gets the Iron Throne, given and not granted that at the end of the saga there will even be an iron throne and seven kingdoms to rule.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2016, 10:47:15 AM: The climate change relation could also just be literal since the White Walkers bring winter with them
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2016, 12:54:47 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 11, 2016, 02:04:16 AM
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that the White Walkers are the good guys, in a warped sense. Protecting Westeros from the fracked up sh!t men do, or from the real menace of the dragons... there was some pages ago a link to a theory that seemed to make sense, that the War for the Dawn ended not with a victory but with a truce, and the White Walkers *chose* to stay the hell away.

I posted that theory a couple of times. It's something that would be really unique if that were to be a clue to the ending of the show. When George R.R. Martin said that a couple of fans had guessed the correct ending, it was believed that the theory on Reddit was the one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on June 12, 2016, 07:14:50 PM: I fucking love the Hound.

I can't believe I'm rooting for the Mountain either but I am. Fuck the Sparrows.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2016, 08:03:09 PM: So it looks like next week is going to be dedicated solely to the battle.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 12, 2016, 08:06:44 PM: Like Watchers At The Wall? Hell yes.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2016, 08:40:00 PM: So what is everyone's predictions for the battle? Will the Knights of the Vale show up? If I'm basing it on sheer numbers, it's hard to perceive Jon winning, but it's not impossible. Maybe Haldir or Eomer will show up? I'm going to be on edge all week. :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 12, 2016, 10:02:07 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 12, 2016, 08:40:00 PM
So what is everyone's predictions for the battle? Will the Knights of the Vale show up? If I'm basing it on sheer numbers, it's hard to perceive Jon winning, but it's not impossible. Maybe Haldir or Eomer will show up? I'm going to be on edge all week. :lol

I think the nights of the Vale arrive just as it looks like all is lost for Jon. They propel Jon to victory.....Little Finger gains Sansa's "respect" or whatever and that is that.

Probably the least satisfying episode of the season thus far but all in all it still moved the story forward.

I'm assuming Cersi was inquiring about the fuel that is spread all over the city.....and again the mention of "burn cities to ashes" when Jamie spoke of Cersi's love for her kids and what lengths she would go to. I'd say it's a safe bet she's gonna try to burn the city down. Will Jamie stop her?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2016, 10:11:08 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 12, 2016, 10:02:07 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 12, 2016, 08:40:00 PM
So what is everyone's predictions for the battle? Will the Knights of the Vale show up? If I'm basing it on sheer numbers, it's hard to perceive Jon winning, but it's not impossible. Maybe Haldir or Eomer will show up? I'm going to be on edge all week. :lol

I think the nights of the Vale arrive just as it looks like all is lost for Jon. They propel Jon to victory.....Little Finger gains Sansa's "respect" or whatever and that is that.

Probably the least satisfying episode of the season thus far but all in all it still moved the story forward.

I'm assuming Cersi was inquiring about the fuel that is spread all over the city.....and again the mention of "burn cities to ashes" when Jamie spoke of Cersi's love for her kids and what lengths she would go to. I'd say it's a safe bet she's gonna try to burn the city down. Will Jamie stop her?

I agree that it was the least satisfying episode of the season. It's probably because the next two episodes are going to be rife with exhilaration so tonight's episode was the lead-up to what will transpire over the next two weeks.
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Post by: faizoff on June 12, 2016, 10:16:33 PM: The Hound's scenes were fantastic, great to see Thoros and Berrick back.. The King's landing scenes were awesome especially the Mountain's violence. Riverrun was so-so I think I would've loved it had it been shorter. I did love the scenes with Brienne and Jaime. Maybe on second viewing I'll like it more. I think it's setting up for some great battles with Dany and the masters and of course the battle of the bastards. I'm a little torn on Arya's scenes, normally I don't have an issue with stretching stuff to fit the narrative and letting go of stuff that's not real etc.. but Arya jumping out of the terrace and rolling around is a little well.. too stretched out. Nonetheless, I seriously thought when Jaaqen said she was truly no one, Arya would come round. Super pumped for the last two episodes and cannot believe it will be another year of waiting.

Excuse the spelling names.
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Post by: faizoff on June 12, 2016, 10:18:17 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 12, 2016, 10:02:07 PM

Probably the least satisfying episode of the season thus far but all in all it still moved the story forward.

I have the same sentiment though oddly still enjoyed it.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2016, 10:39:56 PM: Well we had the hangings, but none from Lady Stoneheart. If she doesn't show up by the end of this season, I think it's safe to say she will never show up. I'm disappointed. She might not be overly integral to the end of the story, and that's why she hasn't appeared yet, but I really wanted to see her character on screen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 12, 2016, 10:50:16 PM: Quote from: faizoff on June 12, 2016, 10:18:17 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 12, 2016, 10:02:07 PM

Probably the least satisfying episode of the season thus far but all in all it still moved the story forward.

I have the same sentiment though oddly still enjoyed it.

Certainly had highlights. I agree with faizoff that the Hound scene was awesome, and both Jamie and Cersi's scenes hint of something to come.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 12, 2016, 11:38:13 PM: Good episode.
The theories about what happened with Arya were all so much better and more creative than what actually happened, I think I would have liked it better if I hadn't read any of these theories.
The scene with Brienne and Jaime were very moving, loved it.
Was great seeing Podrick and Bronn together again, cool little scene.
Good to see Beric Dondarrion and Thoros back, it's remarkable that their appearance didn't change one bit :lol
I'm very excited about next episode and at the same time already mourning the very possible loss of the actor who plays Ramsay, he's been spectacular to watch.

One note about the previous episode, I don't get how Sansa maintains her level of bitchiness, after all the shit she went through and she's still a smug douche, smirking at Davos and talking shit about him to Jon, what else would it take to humble her!
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 13, 2016, 12:10:08 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 12, 2016, 11:38:13 PM
Good episode.
The theories about what happened with Arya were all so much better and more creative than what actually happened, I think I would have liked it better if I hadn't read any of these theories.
The scene with Brienne and Jaime were very moving, loved it.
Was great seeing Podrick and Bronn together again, cool little scene.
Good to see Beric Dondarrion and Thoros back, it's remarkable that their appearance didn't change one bit :lol
I'm very excited about next episode and at the same time already mourning the very possible loss of the actor who plays Ramsay, he's been spectacular to watch.

One note about the previous episode, I don't get how Sansa maintains her level of bitchiness, after all the shit she went through and she's still a smug douche, smirking at Davos and talking shit about him to Jon, what else would it take to humble her!

Beric and Thoros are two of my favorite characters. I was glad to see them back as well. I'm curious as to what The Hound's purpose will be. Also, will he ever see Arya again?
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Post by: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 12:40:28 AM: I think if he were to have a greater purpose than just being a fighter for the brotherhood we'd have to see Beric die one last time, The Hound taking command of the brotherhood and pulling an unexpected take over of a big important stronghold from one of the big families to base operations and grow the brotherhood's forces into a formidable army. But then again I feel like for the most part they're gonna deal with him like a good secondary character and make him work for one purpose and die a heroic and/or tragic death, which is exactly how I think they're dealing with Brienne.
But I do hope he sees Arya again and gets to fight The Mountain, however I have a feeling neither of these thing are going to happen.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 13, 2016, 12:48:23 AM: Because of Tommen's decree in regards to trials by combat, it looks like Clegane Bowl is no longer possible, especially since it seems The Hound is going to be running around in the north.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 13, 2016, 05:03:28 AM: 1. Its interesting to watch tyrion make pretty much the exact same mistake as Cersei. Investing in religious fanatics. And its sad to see the
brilliant Tyrion just sitting around drinking wine and wasting time. He has full power and the whole place goes to shit. Its a shame

2. Guess it wasn't jaqen in disguise after all. As much as I love Arya, I was almost hoping she got killed. She screwed these people, twice. Then
strolls around town in the wide open like she is hot shit. It was nice to see the waif get murdered, I've been waiting for that for a long time.
The waif was doing some T-1000 shit during that chase, lol. I wish the offbeat theories would have been true. How it played out was very
straitforward.

Ultimately I am SOOO happy that arya faceless men arc is wrapping up. Went on way too long, But at the
very least, she's a terminator now, so there's that.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 13, 2016, 05:15:57 AM: She's not out of the woods yet.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 13, 2016, 06:51:23 AM: Easily my least favorite episode of the season. Though my expectations for this show are astronomically high and I normally enjoy the episodes a lot more once I rewatch them.

The hound scenes were great. The Jamie and Edmund & Jamie and Breinne scenes were great. I've been less than impressed with Tyrions plot this season. Curious to see how they wrap Myreen up. Maybe they'll actually use all 3 dragons now. And where did Vaerys go?

I didn't love how they ended Arya's arc. Why not show her defeat the waiff after making us watch Arya get her ass kicked mulitple times? I'm hoping something bigger comes of that plot line.

As far as Cersei goes, I have a feeling that she is going for the Wild Fire and that Jamie is going to kill her to prevent her from burning them all. The prophecy did say she would be killed by her younger brother.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2016, 07:03:38 AM: I thought this episode was fantastic. The Arya scenes were thrilling, the Hound was great, as was his interaction with Thoros and Beric. The scenes with Jaime and Brienne were really great, also.

Can't wait for next week's episode.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 07:10:27 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 13, 2016, 05:03:28 AM
The waif was doing some T-1000 shit during that chase, lol.

Geez man I had a similar thought while watching but it was about agent Smith of The Matrix, the chase was sort of reminiscent of the Neo/Smith chase from the first movie.
But T-1000 works as well, especially since the girl kinda has his eyes haha
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Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 07:25:29 AM: More comebacks, we got Thoros and Beric back!

The hound scenes were awesome. Loved the dialogue between these three.

Also the talks with Brienne, Jamie, and Blackfish were great.

I'm glad Arya seems to be done with her faceless man training, I still think this has been my least favorite storyline of the season. I guess she is done for the season too. I really enjoyed Jaqen's smirk at the end though.

The no trial by combat rule was a surprise, did not expect that so no Cleganebowl...for now. I still think these two are destined to fight at some point.

Kind of bummed we didn't get to see the dragons burn the boats
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Post by: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 07:37:56 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 13, 2016, 06:51:23 AM
And where did Vaerys go?

Linda Antonsson seems to think Varys is going to Dorne for his diplomatic secret mission, man I hope not..

Quote from: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 07:25:29 AM
Kind of bummed we didn't get to see the dragons burn the boats

I'm hoping they don't do that, the dragons are going to turn into a deus ex machina really fast and lose their mystique, I think.
I actually thought the iron fleet would show up behind the masters fleet and destroy it, it would be a great way for the Greyjoy's to be introduced to Daenerys.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 07:53:04 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 07:37:56 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on June 13, 2016, 06:51:23 AM
And where did Vaerys go?

Linda Antonsson seems to think Varys is going to Dorne for his diplomatic secret mission, man I hope not..

My first guess was back to King's Landing, but who knows
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 13, 2016, 08:18:31 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 13, 2016, 06:51:23 AM
As far as Cersei goes, I have a feeling that she is going for the Wild Fire and that Jamie is going to kill her to prevent her from burning them all. The prophecy did say she would be killed by her younger brother.

It looks like it has set up to fit this idea perfectly.....it really does. I'd be surprised if this weren't exactly what happens....
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 13, 2016, 08:40:04 AM: jaqen h'ghar pretty much went from being my favorite character on the entire show, to a guy that stands around a temple. I really hope that we see some more out of him in the coming time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2016, 08:59:05 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 07:37:56 AM
I actually thought the iron fleet would show up behind the masters fleet and destroy it, it would be a great way for the Greyjoy's to be introduced to Daenerys.
That could still happen. Dany just showed up, the fleet isn't destroyed AFAIK.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 09:30:42 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2016, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 07:37:56 AM
I actually thought the iron fleet would show up behind the masters fleet and destroy it, it would be a great way for the Greyjoy's to be introduced to Daenerys.
That could still happen. Dany just showed up, the fleet isn't destroyed AFAIK.

Yea it could. It almost seemed like Dany just saved the day, but we don't know that. She had only just arrived. We also haven't seen the other two dragons return.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 13, 2016, 09:39:24 AM: Would the Ironborn even know about the situation in Mereen though? If not it would be silly storywise to just jump in and attack the Masters ships.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 09:56:52 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 13, 2016, 09:39:24 AM
Would the Ironborn even know about the situation in Mereen though? If not it would be silly storywise to just jump in and attack the Masters ships.

If they are travelling into Slaver's Bay, and Euron has truly been all around the world like he says, then yes, I think he would be aware of what they are sailing into although he may not have known then when they set sail.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 13, 2016, 10:00:13 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 13, 2016, 09:39:24 AM
Would the Ironborn even know about the situation in Mereen though? If not it would be silly storywise to just jump in and attack the Masters ships.

Would they really need to know the situation? If their purpose is to arrive at Mereen and offer their loyalty and service to Dany.....who they know is Queen of Mereen......and they see Mereen under attack like that, how better to ingratiate yourself to a Queen than to destroy the fleet of the folks attacking you? It's not that silly if you think about it....it's a good political move.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 13, 2016, 10:16:51 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 13, 2016, 10:00:13 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 13, 2016, 09:39:24 AM
Would the Ironborn even know about the situation in Mereen though? If not it would be silly storywise to just jump in and attack the Masters ships.

Would they really need to know the situation? If their purpose is to arrive at Mereen and offer their loyalty and service to Dany.....who they know is Queen of Mereen......and they see Mereen under attack like that, how better to ingratiate yourself to a Queen than to destroy the fleet of the folks attacking you? It's not that silly if you think about it....it's a good political move.
That's the way I see it as well.

The enemy of my potential friend is my enemy.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 13, 2016, 11:03:58 AM: I don't disagree it would just seem very deus ex machina for them to show up and save the day in a "shoot first, ask questions later" way.

So any predictions about next week? I could see Ramsey biting it (seems obvious at this point) but since this GOT someone on the good guys side has to die. Probably Rickon even though he's extremely expendable and may not have that much of an impact.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 13, 2016, 11:35:35 AM: I think I agree about this episode being my least favorite of the season. Still good though.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 13, 2016, 12:19:42 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 07:37:56 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on June 13, 2016, 06:51:23 AM
And where did Vaerys go?

Linda Antonsson seems to think Varys is going to Dorne for his diplomatic secret mission, man I hope not..

My first guess was back to King's Landing, but who knows

Maybe to kill Kevan and Pycelle.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 01:19:03 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 13, 2016, 12:19:42 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 07:37:56 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on June 13, 2016, 06:51:23 AM
And where did Vaerys go?

Linda Antonsson seems to think Varys is going to Dorne for his diplomatic secret mission, man I hope not..

My first guess was back to King's Landing, but who knows

Maybe to kill Kevan and Pycelle.

Yup
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 13, 2016, 01:42:25 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 01:19:03 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 13, 2016, 12:19:42 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 13, 2016, 07:37:56 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on June 13, 2016, 06:51:23 AM
And where did Vaerys go?

Linda Antonsson seems to think Varys is going to Dorne for his diplomatic secret mission, man I hope not..

My first guess was back to King's Landing, but who knows

Maybe to kill Kevan and Pycelle.

Yup

I don't think you had to small text "yup". :lol
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Post by: faizoff on June 13, 2016, 02:12:03 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 13, 2016, 11:03:58 AM
So any predictions about next week? I could see Ramsey biting it (seems obvious at this point) but since this GOT someone on the good guys side has to die. Probably Rickon even though he's extremely expendable and may not have that much of an impact.
I don't know I think Ramsay won't die just yet, that's my feeling but hey I had the wild guess that Jon would come back as a white walker so there's that.
I think plenty of people everywhere I read online aren't feeling it with Arya's story arc. I think for me the way they executed wasn't as well done as I would've liked. I wasn't caught up with any of the theories and I don't mind the end result but it probably could've been done better. I know this is a show of dragons, magic and other such fantasy elements but that street chase and stabbing setup just pointed to putting cool references of Terminator and Godfather and really took me out for the most part. In any case, there were more good things about the episode than bad and fingers crossed we're in for an ass kicking last two episodes.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 13, 2016, 03:01:37 PM: Do you guys realize that we could be here talking about how badass Arya's fight was, how heoric was the Blackfish's last stand and how kickass was the dragon burning all the invaders.... and we got NONE of that? :loser:

Really, I felt thrown back to the first season where budget constraints meant fights couldn't be shown.

The Hound was awesome in his scene ("You're shit at dying" :lol), and I already know that in the meme world you can expect The Imp's Delight to show up on imaginary bottles and t-shirts.

I also expect a meme of Tommen saying "Because of high and unrealistic expections from Cleganebowl supporters, trial by combat is now forbidden" :biggrin:

For a third-to-last episode I would have expected a bit more however. Now we have two episodes to go and one will be devoted mainly to the battle of Winterfell, I wonder if Cersei and Loras' trials will happen by the end of the season or they will be postponed to the next one.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 13, 2016, 05:11:06 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 13, 2016, 03:01:37 PM
Now we have two episodes to go and one will be devoted mainly to the battle of Winterfell, I wonder if Cersei and Loras' trials will happen by the end of the season or they will be postponed to the next one.

I've been wondering myself about where we are/will be with each character now that it's down to two episodes and one is dedicated to the battle for the north.

Arya seems to be done. She had her storyline do a full cycle of storytelling so I think we don't see her again.

Sam, do we see him again? He only was in 2 episodes and I'd like to see where he is going, but there may not be much more for him.

Dany, I am guessing we will see what happens at the battle of mereen. I think this will include the iron born, but theon and asha as well as Euron? Is Tyrion going to have to do something to show his leadership like the battle of blackwater? Obvi Dany wins but at what cost and at what new allegiance?

Cersei's trial should happen, but maybe not. I feel like it fits the theme of the season, but maybe it does not happen just yet. I'm going to guess it happens, she is found guilty. She will attempt to burn Kings landing down next season, Loras is guilty as well.

Bran makes it past the wall with the help Meera and Benjen, but the White Walkers make it as well and pass/bring down the wall. Maybe even slaughter what's left of the nights watch.

The brotherhood and clegane capture Brienne on her way back from Riverrun
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 14, 2016, 05:43:46 AM: Will Howland Reed ever come into play (present day Howland Reed that is) ?

The Ironborn are finally starting to get interesting. They were nothing but dull in the books, except for Euron of course.

What will be Dany's reaction to Tyrion allowing slavery to continue for seven more years? Does he end the season locked up or does Dany give him a chance to prove himself in the battle?

Jon obviously wins the battle so I'm curious as to how. Like I mentioned earlier, I'm guessing the Knights of the Vale show up. You don't see them in the trailer but that could be intentional.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 14, 2016, 07:00:13 AM: There is a good interview on IGN with the director of the last two epsiodes. He explains the decesion to not show Arya winning the fight. He said that Arya lurred her back to her lair where she would have the advantage as Arya knew the only way to beat here was if they were both blind. I'm cool with that now. As far as the BlackFish he mentioned that they didn't show the fight becasue they want the focus to be on the departure of Brienne and their final converstation.

As far as predicitons for the next two episodes. I think Ramsey is dead. At least one good guy is dead. I'm thinking Davos. I think Tyrion is going to be flying a dragon in the final battle of Mereen. He seems to have a good connection with them. I think the wall is coming down.
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Post by: Chino on June 14, 2016, 11:19:46 AM: Finished season 4 last night. I'm determined to be caught up by season 6's finale.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2016, 11:37:40 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 14, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
Finished season 4 last night. I'm determined to be caught up by season 6's finale.

Nice, I thought season 4 ended awesomely.
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Post by: faizoff on June 14, 2016, 11:54:52 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 14, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
Finished season 4 last night. I'm determined to be caught up by season 6's finale.
Season 4 is my favorite and I think 6 might overtake it even with the last episode(8) being somewhat a mixed bag, all others prior to it were pure 10/10 episodes in my mind. You have about 12 days so I think you should be able to easily do it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 14, 2016, 12:04:48 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 14, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
Finished season 4 last night. I'm determined to be caught up by season 6's finale.

You're in the Zone!! You can do it.....Winter is Coming!!!! :metal
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 14, 2016, 12:29:45 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 14, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
Finished season 4 last night. I'm determined to be caught up by season 6's finale.

That's awesome! If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Quote from: kaos2900 on June 14, 2016, 07:00:13 AM

As far as predicitons for the next two episodes. I think Ramsey is dead. At least one good guy is dead. I'm thinking Davos. I think Tyrion is going to be flying a dragon in the final battle of Mereen. He seems to have a good connection with them. I think the wall is coming down.

I can't imagine Davos being around much longer. He's one of my favorite secondary characters. His art of persuasion is brilliant.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2016, 12:44:15 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 14, 2016, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: kaos2900 on June 14, 2016, 07:00:13 AM

As far as predicitons for the next two episodes. I think Ramsey is dead. At least one good guy is dead. I'm thinking Davos. I think Tyrion is going to be flying a dragon in the final battle of Mereen. He seems to have a good connection with them. I think the wall is coming down.

I can't imagine Davos being around much longer. He's one of my favorite secondary characters. His art of persuasion is brilliant.

nooooooo, I love Davos. He needs to be Jon's right hand man till the end. Granted, him being liked makes him a prime candidate to die.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 14, 2016, 12:49:22 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 14, 2016, 07:00:13 AM
As far as predicitons for the next two episodes. I think Ramsey is dead. At least one good guy is dead.

I'm still holding on to the notion that Ramsay will live....as a POW....and escape only to be killed by Theon at some point. Or at the least....I don't think we are going to get a 'satisfying' death to Ramsay. It'll be something completely different, even if he dies. It just feels like his character is meant to perpetually be hated even in death.

As far as the 'good guy' death....who knows, but I can't see that Giant living too long. He's such a massive Target I imagine he'll be swarmed and ganged up on and be overtaken and killed.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 14, 2016, 12:51:03 PM: I agree with faizoff, season 4 is probably my favorite, but it looks like season 6 might actually trump it.

And despite it's great moments, season 5 is my least favorite.
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Post by: jakepriest on June 14, 2016, 12:55:09 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 14, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
I agree with faizoff, season 4 is probably my favorite, but it looks like season 6 might actually trump it.

Season 6? So far I would say it was by FAR the worst season.
Season 3 is the shit.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2016, 01:13:38 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 14, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
I agree with faizoff, season 4 is probably my favorite, but it looks like season 6 might actually trump it.

This. Season 6 could be better determined by these last two episodes but previously season 4 was the best.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 14, 2016, 01:15:39 PM: Synopses for the last two episodes were found on the Emmy submittal ballots. In case people want to be surprised, I'll small text them.

Episode 9: Terms of surrender are rejected and accepted.

Episode 10: Season Finale. Cersei faces her trial.

There was also a leaked synopsis for episode 9, which might have been the full deal written up by HBO - or it could be fake.

"A queen comes forth. Euron (Pilou Asbaek) reveals himself. Brienne (Gwendoline Christie) meets a friend turned foe. King's Landing awaits justice. The Night's Watch gathers."
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Post by: Evermind on June 14, 2016, 01:19:12 PM: I admit I kinda liked Arya cutting the candle out moment, but otherwise I call absolute bullshit on Arya surviving one slashing gut wound and two stabbing gut wounds (one with a knife twist) from an assassin more experienced than her, wandering through the streets after that and waiting for the play to end until Lady Crane came over. And I assume Waif searched for Arya for at least a few weeks, because there's no way she would've been able to jump and run like that if it was only a few days or so. I thought maybe one of the theories about Jaqen, Arya's being not Arya or something would be true, but it seems like the show lost all its subtlety whatsoever. I know this isn't the best thing to compare the slashing and stabbing gut wounds to, but hell, I had trouble walking on the first week after the appendicitis surgery (and I live on the fifth floor without an elevator so getting up the stairs was a pain alright :lol ), and I think it was worse in medieval times.

And oh well, another huge waste of time with Tyrion-Grey Worm-Missandei telling jokes and drink scene. I don't know how can you write something like that and think "yeah, nailed the writing here, let's shoot it". It was really bad, like Seventh Wonder's Mercy Falls voice acting bad.

I did like Edmure / Jaime scenes - except show version of Jaime has nothing to do with book version of Jaime other than sharing the same name - and I did like Blackfish actor and attitude. Riverrun scenes are somewhat of a highlight for me so far.

Quote from: jakepriest on June 14, 2016, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on June 14, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
I agree with faizoff, season 4 is probably my favorite, but it looks like season 6 might actually trump it.

Season 6? So far I would say it was by FAR the worst season.
Season 3 is the shit.

This season had some alright episodes, mostly from 2nd to 5th, but the last two episodes were less than good for me. If I had to rank the seasons, it's 1 > 3 > 2 > 4 > 6 > 5 for me so far.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 14, 2016, 01:26:51 PM: Quote from: Evermind on June 14, 2016, 01:19:12 PM
And oh well, another huge waste of time with Tyrion-Grey Worm-Missandei telling jokes and drink scene. I don't know how can you write something like that and think "yeah, nailed the writing here, let's shoot it". It was really bad, like Seventh Wonder's Mercy Falls voice acting bad.

Couldn't agree more. Tyrion (Dinklage) has been extremely underutilized and "wasted" in Mereen....and for me the Mereen/Dany storyline has been the largest disappointment the past two seasons. Other than Dany killing the Khal and taking back leadership in one episode....her story has been a total bore and waste of screen time IMO.

Like you mentioned....I have no idea how those Tyrion scenes are written and then agreed upon that they should actually be filmed and included in the show. I think it's out of mere obligation to have Tyrion on screen for a few minutes....but still, they could find a better solution that pairing him with two of the most boring characters and two actors who have no compelling charisma at all.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2016, 01:42:12 PM: Agreed. Tyrion ruling Mereen was a bit of a disappointment. I think they just didn't take any time to really focus on them like they did in season 2 with him ruling Kings Landing. There was soo much awesome dialogue with Varys and Tyrion in season 2 and we just get a couple scenes this season and the rest just seemed "meh". But to be fair, the book storyline in Mereen had been very "meh" and the show tried to change it up to gain more appeal for it (specifically with placing Tyrion and Varys there and killing Barristan) and just kind of failed because they weren't able to make a good story out of their own changes.

I do think this season has made up for it with the North and Riverland storylines. Those have been awesome storylines this season.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 14, 2016, 01:47:41 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 14, 2016, 01:42:12 PM
Agreed. Tyrion ruling Mereen was a bit of a disappointment. I think they just didn't take any time to really focus on them like they did in season 2 with him ruling Kings Landing. There was soo much awesome dialogue with Varys and Tyrion in season 2 and we just get a couple scenes this season and the rest just seemed "meh". But to be fair, the book storyline in Mereen had been very "meh" and the show tried to change it up to gain more appeal for it (specifically with placing Tyrion and Varys there and killing Barristan) and just kind of failed because they weren't able to make a good story out of their own changes.

I do think this season has made up for it with the North and Riverland storylines. Those have been awesome storylines this season.

I'm not a book reader but I have heard the conversation of how Mereen and Dany are just kind of 'there' so to speak and not much else. It did feel like in the show they were never confident with a direction to take....just kind of winged it a bit and personally I don't think it turned out to hot. But, all the other aspects and storylines have been very good IMO.....save Arya's of which I think it was just good enough to get by but think they missed an opportunity to make it really good.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 14, 2016, 02:04:10 PM: Quote from: Evermind on June 14, 2016, 01:19:12 PM
I admit I kinda liked Arya cutting the candle out moment, but otherwise I call absolute bullshit on Arya surviving one slashing gut wound and two stabbing gut wounds (one with a knife twist) from an assassin more experienced than her, wandering through the streets after that and waiting for the play to end until Lady Crane came over. And I assume Waif searched for Arya for at least a few weeks, because there's no way she would've been able to jump and run like that if it was only a few days or so.

I have reservations about the Arya arc too, but you're depending on linear storytelling here (i.e. it happens in the order it's shown, one after the other), and that's simply not required at all - for all we know, Arya plopped into the corner behind the stage while the Cersei actress was finishing the scene. It makes the show far more interesting and better-paced to leave that possible than to just go A to B to C every single time.

And I think you're right about weeks passing. Time compression is incredible this season in every other arc.

Overall, I find it quite disappointing there was no storytelling 'fuckery' with this at all. She legit was an idiot walking around throwing money at dudes and not looking out for the waif... but she's a great fighter and has discovered she wants to stay a Stark! Too bad that won't matter when she dies because she wanted soup or something. :facepalm:
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Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2016, 02:10:39 PM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 14, 2016, 02:04:10 PM
Overall, I find it quite disappointing there was no storytelling 'fuckery' with this at all. She legit was an idiot walking around throwing money at dudes and not looking out for the waif... but she's a great fighter and has discovered she wants to stay a Stark! Too bad that won't matter when she dies because she wanted soup or something. :facepalm:

Yea, the thoughts and ideas in this thread alone were way more interesting and better storytelling than what we actually got which was the obvious plot, but so bland and uncreative, plus as you say, made little sense in terms of how she acted.

Speaking on predictability.

Battle of Blackwater... looked like Stannis was about to win but then a surprise army of Lannisters and Tyrells show up at the end to win it for the Lannisters.

Battle at the Wall... looked like the wildings were about to win but then a surprise army of Stannis show up at the end to win it for the Nights Watch.

Battle for Winterfell... looks like Jon shouldn't be winning this, but then will a "surprise" army of the Vale show up at the end to win it? Seems way to predictable and would honestly be a poor ending since we've seen it already. This time I think the "surprise army" part was more out in the open than the last two as well. I think everyone expects the Vale to show up where as people weren't necessarily expecting the others in the past.
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Post by: faizoff on June 14, 2016, 02:22:02 PM: I dunno, I've enjoyed Tyrion and Varys in Mehreen, there were several memorable interactions with Tyrion's don't eat the help, bringing another red woman, etc.. I've enjoyed them all. It was different than King's landing and trying to bring some life in Greyworm and Missandae. I will agree that the joke scene with the three was kinda not needed, even though I liked and had no issues, I think it hurt the pacing of the episode.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 14, 2016, 04:43:53 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 14, 2016, 02:10:39 PM
Speaking on predictability.

Battle of Blackwater... looked like Stannis was about to win but then a surprise army of Lannisters and Tyrells show up at the end to win it for the Lannisters.

Battle at the Wall... looked like the wildings were about to win but then a surprise army of Stannis show up at the end to win it for the Nights Watch.

Battle for Winterfell... looks like Jon shouldn't be winning this, but then will a "surprise" army of the Vale show up at the end to win it? Seems way to predictable and would honestly be a poor ending since we've seen it already. This time I think the "surprise army" part was more out in the open than the last two as well. I think everyone expects the Vale to show up where as people weren't necessarily expecting the others in the past.

I think your assessment is right. Also, the other commonality was Stannis' desperation arc, so now that he's out of the picture (at least with an army anyway - I still don't believe he's dead!), it would make sense to go for something different... like the Vale army showing up to help crush the Wildlings instead of helping.

Since we keep getting a lot of travel happening fast, there's still a Tyrell army around, and Jaime's gonna be bored holding that new castle... who knows what kind of stunt will be pulled.

I was sorta counting on the Walkers getting through by now and being the 'surprise army' that destroys Bastardbowl, but it's not playing that way at all - would be too fast.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 14, 2016, 05:28:21 PM: Great episode!

Haven't read the books so I don't know where we are in the story overall but can't the surprise be White Walkers or is that to early in the story?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2016, 05:52:24 PM: You two are forgetting there is still a Wall separating the White Walkers from Westeros! I personally think we see them reaching the wall and maybe getting past it in the last episode.

The battle of winterfell has not happened in the books so no one knows how it will end and I guess that means you can't count out the Whites yet... but my opinion is above on them.
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Post by: ChuckSteak on June 14, 2016, 06:18:56 PM: (https://i67.tinypic.com/317h5rs.jpg)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 14, 2016, 08:15:01 PM: Quote from: ChuckSteak on June 14, 2016, 06:18:56 PM
(https://i67.tinypic.com/317h5rs.jpg)

There is a defense to this. They did make it a point to continually show the knife that the Waif was using....it was maybe three inches long. Not exactly a spear or like the daggar that Ramsay used. Also, Arya was healing for longer than a day....it wasn't clear how long but it'd certainly was longer than a day....more likely a week or two from stab wounds inflicted by a very tiny knife, not a sword.

My only argument is the Waif was supposed to be some sort of awesome assassin and she used a freaking butter knife to the gut....rather than just slitting Arya's throat and being done with it.

As far as the assumption that the Waif was 'superior' to Arya....it could be argued that Arya tanked her training with the Waif to build up the Waif's confidence when concerning her dominance over Arya just for the exact reason that she knew eventually she'd be fighting her to the death.

As much as I thought the whole Arya and God of Death....I am a 'girl' storyline was a tad boring....I don't think her injuries were anywhere near what the other two in this Meme sustained.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ChuckSteak on June 14, 2016, 09:11:51 PM: I don't think there is a defense to it, unless you speculate too much. I'd recommend you to watch the stabbing scene again.

Arya was stabbed, fell off a bridge and hid backstage of that theater. If so much time passed, then she would have bled out and died. Which means Lady Crane found her not very long after she got stabbed. After Lady Crane found her, she stitched Arya and Arya slept the night there. One day. She didn't sleep for a week or two. She was still in a bad condition when the Waif came for her.

The Waif beat her in every instance. To argue that Arya took a beat intentionally just to build up the Waif's confidence is to speculate too much, imo. She never fought the Waif while being seriously injured. If Arya really was so sure she would beat the Waif, then I think she would be more confident and relaxed.

But well, people can believe what they want. :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 14, 2016, 09:20:37 PM: I watched episode 9 & 10 of season 4 at the IMAX theater when they did that limited run deal, I really wish they would do it again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 15, 2016, 05:13:32 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 14, 2016, 09:20:37 PM
I watched episode 9 & 10 of season 4 at the IMAX theater when they did that limited run deal, I really wish they would do it again.

That would be sweet. I wanted to do that the first time.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2016, 06:54:55 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 14, 2016, 09:20:37 PM
I watched episode 9 & 10 of season 4 at the IMAX theater when they did that limited run deal, I really wish they would do it again.
We did that too. It was awesome.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 07:11:13 AM: I'm late to the party again, just got caught up. Another good episode, but for the last couple it feels like they are trying almost too hard to push along the other elements of story to catch up with the events in the North.

Loved the Hound's scenes again, and happy to see Beric and Thoros back. I was ok with how Arya's story turned out, but admittedly some of the theories being banded about would have been a bit more interesting. I don't think we needed to see a big fight scene between her and The Waif - job done and now it's back to Winterfell. I just wonder if she will arrive in time for Jon Snow's attack?

I liked the interaction between Brienne and Jaime. It adds another dimension, I think. She obviously feels something for him, but it doesn't seem like it's reciprocated to the same extent.

One intriguing point was the whispering between Qyburn and Cersei about "rumours". I wonder if they have heard if Varys may be on his way back into town, through the "little birds" network? If so, I fear for Varys' safety! :o
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Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2016, 07:15:52 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
One intriguing point was the whispering between Qyburn and Cersei about "rumours". I wonder if they have heard if Varys may be on his way back into town, through the "little birds" network? If so, I fear for Varys' safety! :o

I definitely feel that scene earlier this season with Qyburn and him taking voer the little birds network will be important. I think Varys still controls them.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 15, 2016, 07:42:04 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
I don't think we needed to see a big fight scene between her and The Waif - job done and now it's back to Winterfell. I just wonder if she will arrive in time for Jon Snow's attack?

I realize we're seeing more and more time compression on the show, but that'd be a bit much, don't you think? She's all the way over in Braavos!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2016, 07:47:55 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
One intriguing point was the whispering between Qyburn and Cersei about "rumours". I wonder if they have heard if Varys may be on his way back into town, through the "little birds" network? If so, I fear for Varys' safety! :o

I think the whispers had everything to do with Qyburn verifying that there is Wild Fire stored everywhere in the city, below....all over. And Cersi is going to burn it all down.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 08:02:15 AM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 15, 2016, 07:42:04 AM
I realize we're seeing more and more time compression on the show, but that'd be a bit much, don't you think? She's all the way over in Braavos!

She has a week to get there, or two at the most. How far can it be? ;) Yeah, you're probably right though - it would be a little bit jarring to see her suddenly pop up in time for the battle. There is probably some storyline to be told about her journey back home anyway. I wonder if she will meet up with the Hound again?

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2016, 07:47:55 AM
I think the whispers had everything to do with Qyburn verifying that there is Wild Fire stored everywhere in the city, below....all over. And Cersi is going to burn it all down.

Well, she does seem to be increasingly desperate, and now that the trial by combat option has gone, there's every chance that her regular trial could end badly for her.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 15, 2016, 08:11:51 AM: I had no problem whatsoever with the Arya thing. I mean, it's pretty unfair to compare her with other stabbed folks given the has literally gone to hell and back during her time at Braavos. She's probably stronger than most characters from the show by now, and that includes physical endurance.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2016, 08:23:29 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2016, 07:47:55 AM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
One intriguing point was the whispering between Qyburn and Cersei about "rumours". I wonder if they have heard if Varys may be on his way back into town, through the "little birds" network? If so, I fear for Varys' safety! :o

I think the whispers had everything to do with Qyburn verifying that there is Wild Fire stored everywhere in the city, below....all over. And Cersi is going to burn it all down.

In the books I know Cersei burns down the Tower of the Hand, maybe she does something similar or, if not the whole King's Landing, at least the Sept of Baelor.

This opens up important possibilities... what if she accidentally burns down Tommen as well? what if Jaimie is back and has to stop once again someone from destroying the city with wildfire and kills her? I remember reading about the prophecy about her three (crowned) (dead) sons and also that she should watch out a younger brother, she and Jaimie are twins but Jaimie is younger as well.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2016, 08:52:50 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 08:02:15 AM
Well, she does seem to be increasingly desperate, and now that the trial by combat option has gone, there's every chance that her regular trial could end badly for her.

Quote from: MirrorMask on June 15, 2016, 08:23:29 AM
In the books I know Cersei burns down the Tower of the Hand, maybe she does something similar or, if not the whole King's Landing, at least the Sept of Baelor.

This opens up important possibilities... what if she accidentally burns down Tommen as well? what if Jaimie is back and has to stop once again someone from destroying the city with wildfire and kills her? I remember reading about the prophecy about her three (crowned) (dead) sons and also that she should watch out a younger brother, she and Jaimie are twins but Jaimie is younger as well.

I think the fact that her character has specifically mentioned 'burning cities to ashes' countless times throughout the 6 seasons has been a 'long' foreshadowing play by the writers. Always in reference to 'losing' her kids....which....it's safe to say that even if Tommen doesn't physically 'die' per say, she has definitely 'lost' him as far as she is concerned, especially since he basically convicted her himself by eliminating the trial by combat.

I think they've set it up a very interesting potential of Jamie being 'forced' to kill Cersi either to stop her from burning the city down to do the exact same thing he did before with the mad king, or after/during the city burning down and him knowing they'll die together.

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 15, 2016, 08:11:51 AM
I had no problem whatsoever with the Arya thing. I mean, it's pretty unfair to compare her with other stabbed folks given the has literally gone to hell and back during her time at Braavos. She's probably stronger than most characters from the show by now, and that includes physical endurance.

Yeah....I don't think those stab wounds were as brutal as other wounds we've seen. I was asked to watch that scene again to prove they were brutal. I don't think they were....Arya headbutts and escapes the Waif after a couple stabs from a knife that was comically tiny. Take a look at that knife. The damage would have been minimal.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2016, 09:09:47 AM: She did twist the knife, thought that was the real damaging part.
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Post by: masterthes on June 15, 2016, 09:21:40 AM: Why doesn't Cersei just go with the trial? It's only adultery. What could they do to her? Unless she's worried the incest angle will show up as well
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 09:30:07 AM: Quote from: masterthes on June 15, 2016, 09:21:40 AM
Why doesn't Cersei just go with the trial? It's only adultery. What could they do to her? Unless she's worried the incest angle will show up as well

I think that's probably it. If the incest comes to light, then Joffrey and Tommen's right to the throne is questionable. The Lannisters stand to lose a lot.
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Post by: MetalJunkie on June 15, 2016, 10:09:56 AM: Caught up now. So I guess Tommen's ruling pretty much eliminates the possibility of Cleganebowl?
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Post by: faizoff on June 15, 2016, 10:26:27 AM: I rewatched the episode yesterday and enjoyed it a lot more this second time, in fact initially didn't think Riverrun was properly paced and felt too long, but on second viewing thought it was great even though we don't see Blackfish's fate I think it was not bad. Arya's chase was also much better but still think it could've been handled differently. I had no issue with the outcome, just the way it was done. You become caught up in the semantics of the chase rather than the actual chase itself. Still it was a rather enjoyable episode.
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Post by: masterthes on June 15, 2016, 12:26:02 PM: Quote from: MetalJunkie on June 15, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
Caught up now. So I guess Tommen's ruling pretty much eliminates the possibility of Cleganebowl?
Pretty much. Maybe we can hope for it in the books
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 15, 2016, 12:37:11 PM: Maybe we can hope that the books are going to be completed period. ;)
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Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2016, 12:44:40 PM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 09:30:07 AM
Quote from: masterthes on June 15, 2016, 09:21:40 AM
Why doesn't Cersei just go with the trial? It's only adultery. What could they do to her? Unless she's worried the incest angle will show up as well

I think that's probably it. If the incest comes to light, then Joffrey and Tommen's right to the throne is questionable. The Lannisters stand to lose a lot.

But wouldn't the faith loose a lot to if Tommen were not to be king anymore, who would be king if they ruled him as a bastard? Not sure how that would play out. Where's Gendry?
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2016, 12:49:26 PM: Made this meme ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/rbfDil3.png)
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 15, 2016, 12:53:49 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 15, 2016, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 09:30:07 AM
Quote from: masterthes on June 15, 2016, 09:21:40 AM
Why doesn't Cersei just go with the trial? It's only adultery. What could they do to her? Unless she's worried the incest angle will show up as well

I think that's probably it. If the incest comes to light, then Joffrey and Tommen's right to the throne is questionable. The Lannisters stand to lose a lot.

But wouldn't the faith loose a lot to if Tommen were not to be king anymore, who would be king if they ruled him as a bastard? Not sure how that would play out. Where's Gendry?

I just saw him rowing in New York Harbor this morning.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 15, 2016, 12:54:41 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 15, 2016, 12:49:26 PM
Made this meme ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/rbfDil3.png)

What's a Cleganbowl? ;)
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Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2016, 01:05:15 PM: :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 15, 2016, 01:24:51 PM: Whose banners are those on the right?

(https://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jon.jpg)
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 15, 2016, 02:00:43 PM: I beleive those may be the kinghts of the vale.
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 15, 2016, 02:06:57 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 15, 2016, 01:24:51 PM
Whose banners are those on the right?

(https://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jon.jpg)
I think it is House Hornwood. They are one of the Northern Houses that have joined Jon's army.

(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/c/c8/House-Hornwood-Main-Shield.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20160315132102)
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 02:37:20 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 15, 2016, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 15, 2016, 09:30:07 AM
Quote from: masterthes on June 15, 2016, 09:21:40 AM
Why doesn't Cersei just go with the trial? It's only adultery. What could they do to her? Unless she's worried the incest angle will show up as well

I think that's probably it. If the incest comes to light, then Joffrey and Tommen's right to the throne is questionable. The Lannisters stand to lose a lot.

But wouldn't the faith loose a lot to if Tommen were not to be king anymore, who would be king if they ruled him as a bastard? Not sure how that would play out. Where's Gendry?

Yeah, true, the High Sparrow has Tommen dancing to his own tune, so he would lose out there. I'm not really sure what the Faith/High Sparrow's agenda is, but I doubt it's the salvation of everyone's souls.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2016, 02:50:38 PM: I imagine that if Tommen were officially de-legitimized, the High Septon would declare some authority to name the king himself.
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Post by: Adami on June 15, 2016, 02:53:25 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2016, 02:50:38 PM
I imagine that if Tommen were officially de-legitimized, the High Septon would declare some authority to name the king himself.

This is true, but it makes me wonder why he was pushing the queen to start having kids if his plan was to delegitimize Tommen anyway.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2016, 02:57:58 PM: It's probably not his main plan. But it's important to have contingencies.
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 15, 2016, 03:07:28 PM: Yeah the Faith are in a good position controlling Tommen as king, but I imagine they would be pretty fine if his true parentage was exposed as well.

You can just imagine the High Sparrow's reaction: We condemn Cersei for her sins, but although Tommen has no claim to the throne, he is not to blame for his mother's crimes. Being merciful we will allow him to go and live quietly in some secure monastry somewhere far away and pray for forgiveness for existing like the pious soul he is. In the mean time since there is no obvious heir, the Faith will keep custody of the throne and await guidance from the gods as to who should rule us. And if the gods should determine that there is no worthy heir and the power should pass back to the common people, then so be it. And I would be willing to bear the terrible of burden of governing for the common people so that they don't have to...
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Post by: cramx3 on June 15, 2016, 05:39:28 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2016, 02:50:38 PM
I imagine that if Tommen were officially de-legitimized, the High Septon would declare some authority to name the king himself.

Good point
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 15, 2016, 06:42:36 PM: I stumbled upon an article that had said there were spoilers in it, but I assumed they were book spoilers and whatnot. That was until I noticed they were also spoilers for the last two episodes of the season. I could have looked away but the Battle of the Bastards has given me anxiety so I read through everything, and all I'm going to say about the last two episodes is 'oh fuck'.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2016, 01:11:45 AM: The "oh fuck" you say after a compelling episode with exciting and unexpected turns, or the "oh fuck" you say after The Mountain vs the Viper?

(I'm afraid to already know the answer...)
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 16, 2016, 05:11:13 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 16, 2016, 01:11:45 AM
The "oh fuck" you say after a compelling episode with exciting and unexpected turns, or the "oh fuck" you say after The Mountain vs the Viper?

(I'm afraid to already know the answer...)

The sheer amount of death, among other things. One of them, the way it is said to happen took me by surprise, but then I thought about what could have caused it and then it hit me.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 16, 2016, 07:15:26 AM: You have link to said article? I don't want to read it but I do.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2016, 07:24:01 AM: DON'T DO IT
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Post by: cramx3 on June 16, 2016, 08:13:25 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2016, 07:24:01 AM
DON'T DO IT

This.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 16, 2016, 08:48:52 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 16, 2016, 08:13:25 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2016, 07:24:01 AM
DON'T DO IT

This.

Oh come on guys. View it as a test of will power. ;)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2016, 09:59:03 AM: It is. I have the willpower to NOT DO IT.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2016, 12:00:36 PM: Episode 9 ..... Battle of the Bastards by the numbers. No Spoilers just production info on the size of the episode.

https://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/16/game-thrones-battle-bastards-numbers
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Post by: home on June 16, 2016, 12:06:09 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 16, 2016, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 16, 2016, 08:13:25 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2016, 07:24:01 AM
DON'T DO IT

This.

Oh come on guys. View it as a test of will power. ;)

but it's an even greater test of will power if the link is posted in this thread :azn:
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 16, 2016, 12:25:03 PM: I won't post it here as it was taken from something that hasn't been released yet. I'm sure that violates some rule.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 17, 2016, 12:30:21 PM: I read an article which mentioned that TV & Satellite Week magazine said that this week's episode might not just be the Snow Bowl. There have been no confirmations of this. With the promotional photos and trailer showing just the one location, this could be a mixup on the magazine's part. Why would they keep something else hidden unless it was to be something really huge?

Casting has begun for Season 7 https://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-season-7-casting-begun/#more-69115

They're calling for a 16 year old northern girl and a 10 year old northern boy. This could be for more flashback scenes.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 17, 2016, 12:41:14 PM: Couple interesting postulations I read. One was that the 'secret' mission that Varys was on was actually a lie to Tyrion and that he has always insisted that 'the realm' is where his loyalties lie. He detests 'religion' and now that Dany is being propped up by the Lord of Light folk....he's actually on a mission to bring her down. It was speculated that his departure and the subsequent quick arrival of the Slave Master ships bent on destruction were no coincidence and that he may have even orchestrated that?

Also, read that perhaps the 'secret' that Cersi is referring to is not that wild fire is everywhere....but what if they've verified that Gendry is/has been in Kingslanding and they know who he is....an heir to the throne. so, Cersi decides to have Tommen offed and installs Gendry as King?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2016, 12:46:31 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 17, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Couple interesting postulations I read. One was that the 'secret' mission that Varys was on was actually a lie to Tyrion and that he has always insisted that 'the realm' is where his loyalties lie. He detests 'religion' and now that Dany is being propped up by the Lord of Light folk....he's actually on a mission to bring her down. It was speculated that his departure and the subsequent quick arrival of the Slave Master ships bent on destruction were no coincidence and that he may have even orchestrated that?

Also, read that perhaps the 'secret' that Cersi is referring to is not that wild fire is everywhere....but what if they've verified that Gendry is/has been in Kingslanding and they know who he is....an heir to the throne. so, Cersi decides to have Tommen offed and installs Gendry as King?

Interesting theories. Specifically about Gendry because the talk of Tommen not being the true King leads me to believe Gendry would be coming back to the story.

Also, Varys has shown he is still using his whispers while in Mereen (remember he tricked that Harpy girl this season) so I totally think it's very interesting timing that the masters attacked as soon as he left. Makes me think he knew they were coming. BUT he had been working Illiyrus (spelling?) all this time as well and he had been faithful to the Targaryans so I don't know if he would be so quick to leave them just because a Red Priest scared him.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 17, 2016, 12:50:12 PM: In the books Varys' loyalties lie with another Targaryen that has not been introduced in the show, so I find it unlikely that in the show version he's not true to Dany.

Also I doubt Cersei would switch Tommen for Gendry, she clearly loves her children and to jeopardize his future, Jaimie's and Tommen's just to stick it up to the High Sparrow seems a too much harsh price to pay. She screwed her brother FFS, imagine the real world consequences even in our modern age if Diana Spencer's sons, William and Henry, were born of incest with her own brother. That would be too much to swallow even today, let alone in Westeros.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 17, 2016, 12:54:47 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 17, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Couple interesting postulations I read. One was that the 'secret' mission that Varys was on was actually a lie to Tyrion and that he has always insisted that 'the realm' is where his loyalties lie. He detests 'religion' and now that Dany is being propped up by the Lord of Light folk....he's actually on a mission to bring her down. It was speculated that his departure and the subsequent quick arrival of the Slave Master ships bent on destruction were no coincidence and that he may have even orchestrated that?

Also, read that perhaps the 'secret' that Cersi is referring to is not that wild fire is everywhere....but what if they've verified that Gendry is/has been in Kingslanding and they know who he is....an heir to the throne. so, Cersi decides to have Tommen offed and installs Gendry as King?

Well, with Varys, I know I said this earlier but there are still a couple of things that he does at the end of book 5 that have yet to come to pass, so maybe that's where he's heading.

Why would he have anything to do with those attacks?

I know Cersei's secret but I won't spill the beans. It's not something we would have originally thought of.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 17, 2016, 12:56:16 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 17, 2016, 12:50:12 PM
Also I doubt Cersei would switch Tommen for Gendry, she clearly loves her children and to jeopardize his future, Jaimie's and Tommen's just to stick it up to the High Sparrow seems a too much harsh price to pay. She screwed her brother FFS, imagine the real world consequences even in our modern age if Diana Spencer's sons, William and Henry, were born of incest with her own brother. That would be too much to swallow even today, let alone in Westeros.

She would never put Gendry, a bastard son of Robert, on the throne.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 17, 2016, 01:20:05 PM: Yeah, I would totally forget any thought of propping up Gendry in favor of her own son. Not gonna happen.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 17, 2016, 01:27:43 PM: Some think Varys is actually heading to Dorne to secure a safe landing for Daenerys in Westeros. It's the only city that would accept her, especially considering their past with the Targaryens.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2016, 01:43:34 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 17, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
Some think Varys is actually heading to Dorne to secure a safe landing for Daenerys in Westeros. It's the only city that would accept her, especially considering their past with the Targaryens.

That makes a lot of sense, it's also closer to Mereen.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 17, 2016, 01:56:05 PM: Also a way to bring Dorne back into the fold. And a good way for them to strike back against the Lannisters.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 19, 2016, 02:39:43 PM: So, tonight there'll be the ninth episode of the season, the one that historically brought the most heartwrenching and "FFFFUUUUUUUUU" moments.

Good luck everyone who still has a favorite character alive!
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Post by: orcus116 on June 19, 2016, 02:54:12 PM: AV Club has a weekly death odds article I think.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 19, 2016, 08:05:31 PM: That was immensely satisfying.
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Post by: ReaperKK on June 19, 2016, 08:10:58 PM: No form of entertainment has put me in that much suspense. My heart was racing more than if I ran a marathon.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 19, 2016, 08:12:43 PM: That was beautiful.
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Post by: ReaperKK on June 19, 2016, 08:16:29 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 19, 2016, 08:12:43 PM
That was beautiful.

couldn't of said it better
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Post by: MetalJunkie on June 19, 2016, 08:44:11 PM: My mind was fucking blown multiple times.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 19, 2016, 08:46:48 PM: You must be shooting puffs of smoke by now. :biggrin:
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Post by: faizoff on June 19, 2016, 09:29:20 PM: Definitely the most satisfying episode and man was it heartbreaking to lose Rickon. Even though he had no lines this season, I was very warm to his presence since season 3 when they part with Brandon. Man what an awesome and thrilling episode that was. I was so nervous the whole time and yet Sansa's smile at the end was the relief I think we all needed.
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Post by: faizoff on June 19, 2016, 09:33:32 PM: Oh and I have to add, that was some of the best battle cinematography I think I've ever seen on TV. I mean the battle was going pretty much by the numbers but I was so engrossed the whole time. I think this is my favorite episode so far of the season, I'm super content now.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 19, 2016, 09:35:02 PM: For a casual show watcher Rickon wasn't much of a loss. I was more sad about the giant than him.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 19, 2016, 09:37:24 PM: Quote from: faizoff on June 19, 2016, 09:33:32 PM
Oh and I have to add, that was some of the best battle cinematography I think I've ever seen on TV. I mean the battle was going pretty much by the numbers but I was so engrossed the whole time.

The Knights of the Vail coming in reminded me of Gandalf and the riders of Rohan coming down the mountain in the Two Towers. Complete deus ex machina storytelling wise but it makes for good entertainment.
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Post by: MetalJunkie on June 19, 2016, 09:46:46 PM: "A pincer move."
"..."

(https://i.imgur.com/J85yq6u.jpg)
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Post by: faizoff on June 19, 2016, 09:52:10 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 19, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: faizoff on June 19, 2016, 09:33:32 PM
Oh and I have to add, that was some of the best battle cinematography I think I've ever seen on TV. I mean the battle was going pretty much by the numbers but I was so engrossed the whole time.

The Knights of the Vail coming in reminded me of Gandalf and the riders of Rohan coming down the mountain in the Two Towers. Complete deus ex machina storytelling wise but it makes for good entertainment.

I don't think it was a surprise that the Knights of the Vail were going to come, and many like me expected they'd show up at a critical point and save the day. Cliche, deus ex machina, predictable, etc, etc..Yet knowing all of that I was still surprised when they came as I'd forgotten about them during the episode because of how intense it was with all that amazing cinematography and action. It was very entertaining indeed. I enjoyed every second of it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 19, 2016, 11:25:12 PM: Dont even care how cliché or predictable the Nights of the Vale arriving was. We knew it was gonna happen because Sansa asked for it to happen. Every instance of an army 'swooping' in to alter the tide has made perfect narrative sense.

This episode was awesome! IMO the best Dany sequence (screen time) of the show thus far....awesome carnage and whooping from the dragons....just all around great.

The battle of the bastards was incredible. Incredibly filmed and choreographed.....just killer stuff. I knew that giant was a goner.....he's too big a target, death by a thousand slashes.

John letting Sansa finish Ramsay off was great. Loved how when it came down to it Ramsay was a little bitch and was just whipped by Jon. And the final scene wa so sweet. I was certain he was going to be a POW....but his demise was fantastic.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 19, 2016, 11:45:56 PM: RIP Ramsay, you went exactly how you would have wanted to go :lol
Probably had a hard on from the pain as he was dying.
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Post by: MetalJunkie on June 19, 2016, 11:46:07 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 19, 2016, 11:25:12 PM
Dont even care how cliché or predictable the Nights of the Vale arriving was. We knew it was gonna happen because Sansa asked for it to happen. Every instance of an army 'swooping' in to alter the tide has made perfect narrative sense.

This episode was awesome! IMO the best Dany sequence (screen time) of the show thus far....awesome carnage and whooping from the dragons....just all around great.

The battle of the bastards was incredible. Incredibly filmed and choreographed.....just killer stuff. I knew that giant was a goner.....he's too big a target, death by a thousand slashes.

John letting Sansa finish Ramsay off was great. Loved how when it came down to it Ramsay was a little bitch and was just whipped by Jon. And the final scene wa so sweet. I was certain he was going to be a POW....but his demise was fantastic.
This. All this.
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Post by: Accelerando on June 19, 2016, 11:46:14 PM: That was one of the best shot, best choreographed battle sequences in recent memory in either tv or film. One of the best episodes of this show, easily.
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Post by: Adami on June 19, 2016, 11:48:05 PM: Very good episode, sad we lost the giant, but I think we all saw that coming.

I'm bad with names, but I'm really glad that one guy didn't die. Or that other one guy.
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Post by: faizoff on June 20, 2016, 12:11:37 AM: In the excitement for this episode, I had forgotten that the finale is going to be even longer than this episode and directed by the same guy. It probably wont contain any battle is my guess at least definitely not to this scale but should be an amazing finale nonetheless.
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Post by: adace on June 20, 2016, 12:13:14 AM: Just when I think GoT couldn't get any better along comes this episode. Incredible stuff. :hefdaddy
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Post by: Progmetty on June 20, 2016, 04:19:21 AM: If we get a make out scene with Yara and Daenerys they'll pronounce my death by means of continuous involuntary ejaculation.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 20, 2016, 05:36:41 AM: Sucks for Stannis that he didn't bring Onion knight to the first battle. His night walks the evening before battle probably would have allowed him to see the sabotage team coming to torch the camp.

I was almost expecting to see another sabotage attempt by ramsey this time around.

Great episode though.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 20, 2016, 06:31:55 AM: I think my mind was blown several times only ten minutes into the episode. That was an EPIC episode, surpassing even Hardhome. View the ´inside the episode´ clip made of the choreography of the battle scenes. They done a fantastic job.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:24:20 AM: I will say that battle sequence was amazing. The piles of bodies was really crazy and how the army smothered them using the wall of dead bodies made for some crazy TV.

I will also say that this show has become very predictable. I think I called Rickon dying and the Knights of the Vale saving the day as well as Ramsay dying and it was too easy (so much so that I felt like none of that would actually happen). That is my biggest gripe, there was not a single curveball. Even in Dany's story, it went down exactly all the previous battles have for her with the Dragons saving the day. NOTHING happened that wasn't seen from a mile way. I found that slightly disappointing. Also, compared to the books, there was no turn against the Boltons. The north simply did not remember (besides Lady Mormont who I was surprised to see at the battle herself).

Having said that, the episode was still very intense and awesome. I liked the Greyjoys meeting with Dany and Tyrion bringing up the last time he saw Theon. The relation between their father's was pretty cool.

The other dragons breaking out through the walls was really cool to see and we got to see the masters die!

I do wonder what LF is going to ask for in return for saving the day. The Giant dying was probably the saddest part of the episode. Rickon really never made an impact on the show to really care that he died.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2016, 07:31:11 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:24:20 AM
I do wonder what LF is going to ask for in return for saving the day.

Well....that's as obvious as the rest of the things you mentioned. He wants to marry Sansa, or at least shag her.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:24:20 AM
The Giant dying was probably the saddest part of the episode. Rickon really never made an impact on the show to really care that he died.

Yeah...you'd think that Giant knew he was gonna be killed as well, being such a threat and large target....guy probably took a hundred aarows and countless spear stabs. And, Rickon being killed wasn't that big a surprise or bummer. Had he lived it'd just been another character that would have stolen lines and screen time from the characters that are actually interesting***cough**cough***any Dorne scene***cough***cough****
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2016, 07:33:42 AM: The cinematography and effects in that episode were film quality. The Battle at Winterfell was the most brutal medieval combat sequence I've seen since Braveheart. Simply amazing.

I'm surprise they have enough money left in the budget to do a tenth episode lol
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:34:52 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2016, 07:31:11 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:24:20 AM
I do wonder what LF is going to ask for in return for saving the day.

Well....that's as obvious as the rest of the things you mentioned. He wants to marry Sansa, or at least shag her.

Yea, but he is going to make that public now? I guess by attacking the Boltons he openly went against the crown anyway. He just seems to never lay all his cards down.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:35:58 AM: Quote from: Accelerando on June 19, 2016, 11:46:14 PM
That was one of the best shot, best choreographed battle sequences in recent memory in either tv or film. One of the best episodes of this show, easily.

Well, since Hardhome last year. :lol Same director did both battles. This guy deserves an award or something.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2016, 07:56:24 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:34:52 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2016, 07:31:11 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:24:20 AM
I do wonder what LF is going to ask for in return for saving the day.

Well....that's as obvious as the rest of the things you mentioned. He wants to marry Sansa, or at least shag her.

Yea, but he is going to make that public now? I guess by attacking the Boltons he openly went against the crown anyway. He just seems to never lay all his cards down.

Maybe he just wants a 'handy' down in the stable or something. Have Sansa 'churn his butter' as a thank you for the Knights?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 08:07:33 AM: :lol that's the least she should do for saving the North

Some part of me does feel like her marriage to Tyrion may last in the end, when Dany comes to Westeros and brings him back, that "alliance" could be important down the line.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2016, 08:11:56 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 08:07:33 AM
Some part of me does feel like her marriage to Tyrion may last in the end, when Dany comes to Westeros and brings him back, that "alliance" could be important down the line.

This could be. I think he was a gentlemen and respectful to her and she will remember that.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2016, 08:14:52 AM: Yeah, he's treated her better than any other man since she left Winterfell.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2016, 08:17:32 AM: That smile on her face as she walked away while Ramsay was being torn apart and eaten alive was just awesome!

For a moment, when Jon stopped short of beating him to death I feared he was doing it to keep him as a prisoner. It wasn't until I saw her standing at the cell gate that I realized he was just allowing his sister....the one who had truly been ravaged and humiliated by him....to have the honor of killing him.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 08:19:53 AM: Yea and death by his own dogs was very fitting, they haven't eaten for 7 days!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 20, 2016, 09:40:49 AM: Aahhh this episode was pure: :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 20, 2016, 10:06:33 AM: Amazing episode.

In the end it was not really surprising at all... except in just how well done the battle was, and in how intense and harrowing it was to watch despite "knowing" what the eventual outcome had to be. I knew Rickon had to die, I knew Jon Snow had to live, I knew the Vale forces were going to arrive... but seeing Rickon almost reach Jon Snow, seeing Jon Snow facing the cavalry charge alone or getting buried in the crush of trampling men, seeing the wildling and loyalist forces surrounded by Bolton shieldwalls and piles of dead bodies... I felt that maybe Rickon would make it, maybe Jon was brought back to die here, maybe the Bolton forces would destroy the wildlings before the knights of the Vale arrived. That to me is why it was a great episode - with viewers starting to feel a little fatigue with villains winning and twists for the sake of shock value, we really needed the "obvious" outcome that Jon Snow wins and Ramsay dies to happen in this battle... but due to how well it was done, we felt every moment of tension and every bit of loss that was suffered to achieve that victory.

The director Miguel Sapochnik was responsible for Hardhome last year which contains perhaps the greatest sequence in the show, and he also directed The Gift which I was really impressed by even though it flew under the radar comapred to the big episodes to follow. Now with this episode he has lived up to all the hype of having the Hardhome director do the biggest battle in the show - and we haven't even seen the season finale yet which is going to be the longest episode of the show so may have a lot of stuff in it! The directing and the cinematography, particularly in creating the battle that managed to combine the brutal portrayal of the ground-level horrors of war of Saving Private Ryan with the spectacle of the Lord Of The Rings, was brilliant in this episode and I see that it is getting a lot of well earned praise.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2016, 10:28:12 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on June 20, 2016, 10:06:33 AM

In the end it was not really surprising at all... except in just how well done the battle was, and in how intense and harrowing it was to watch despite "knowing" what the eventual outcome had to be. I knew Rickon had to die, I knew Jon Snow had to live, I knew the Vale forces were going to arrive... but seeing Rickon almost reach Jon Snow, seeing Jon Snow facing the cavalry charge alone or getting buried in the crush of trampling men, seeing the wildling and loyalist forces surrounded by Bolton shieldwalls and piles of dead bodies... I felt that maybe Rickon would make it, maybe Jon was brought back to die here, maybe the Bolton forces would destroy the wildlings before the knights of the Vale arrived. That to me is why it was a great episode - with viewers starting to feel a little fatigue with villains winning and twists for the sake of shock value, we really needed the "obvious" outcome that Jon Snow wins and Ramsay dies to happen in this battle... but due to how well it was done, we felt every moment of tension and every bit of loss that was suffered to achieve that victory.

So true. Although you just knew that Jon was going to live and that he'd eventually win.....they did such a good job of taking us right up to that point of 'Oh my gosh....he's gonna die, Ramsay's gonna win.....WTF!?"

I agree the obvious outcome was needed and DESERVED here. If this were season two or three I could see them killing off Jon and the army being destroyed and that being that. But with it so close to the end of the show they have to start gearing this towards an end....which they are, and the Ramsay arc was done and not important to the ultimate ending of the show.
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Post by: MetalJunkie on June 20, 2016, 11:01:46 AM: RIP Wun Wun. Some giants held doors, you opened them.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 20, 2016, 11:04:35 AM: Quote from: MetalJunkie on June 20, 2016, 11:01:46 AM
RIP Wun Wun. Some giants held doors, you opened them.

I was sad to see him go but I assumed either he or Tormund would die last night. When I found that spoiler article, I knew it was going to be Wun Wun. It didn't take anything away from it because reading an article and seeing how he actually died were two entirely different things. The drama played out well. He WAS the last giant, wasn't he?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2016, 11:17:13 AM: That shot of Jon Snow preparing to make his stand before the oncoming cavalry charge was fucking ICONIC.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 11:34:59 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2016, 11:17:13 AM
That shot of Jon Snow preparing to make his stand before the oncoming cavalry charge was fucking ICONIC.

And was not CGI

Quote from: Prog Snob on June 20, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: MetalJunkie on June 20, 2016, 11:01:46 AM
RIP Wun Wun. Some giants held doors, you opened them.

I was sad to see him go but I assumed either he or Tormund would die last night. When I found that spoiler article, I knew it was going to be Wun Wun. It didn't take anything away from it because reading an article and seeing how he actually died were two entirely different things. The drama played out well. He WAS the last giant, wasn't he?

At least in the show, Mance had said the one who died at the battle at the Wall was the last of his lineage so it's very possible the giants are extinct in the show now.
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Post by: masterthes on June 20, 2016, 11:47:57 AM: Top 5 episode of the entire series. Completely outstanding. I have a feeling the finale is going to be amazing!!!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2016, 11:50:28 AM: Can't wait for next week's finale.

But then comes the sadness of having to wait another year for season 7... :(
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 11:55:08 AM: Quote from: masterthes on June 20, 2016, 11:47:57 AM
Top 5 episode of the entire series. Completely outstanding. I have a feeling the finale is going to be amazing!!!

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2016, 11:50:28 AM
But then comes the sadness of having to wait another year for season 7... :(

This and this. I've got to image there will be WTF moments in the last episode, mostly because those storylines seem to be less predictable than Jon's was and 69 minutes of GoT has me wet already.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 20, 2016, 12:02:37 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2016, 11:17:13 AM
That shot of Jon Snow preparing to make his stand before the oncoming cavalry charge was fucking ICONIC.

Indeed and the accompanying music was perfection.
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Post by: faizoff on June 20, 2016, 12:11:29 PM: It's always a bitter sweet moment when watching the finale since you have to wait forever for the next season. I'm sure the finale will be just as great but a bit scaled back.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 20, 2016, 12:30:25 PM: I was really impressed with this episode. Not only with the battle and the big scenes (which were of course amazing) but also with how the smaller scenes were handled. Every scene of dialogue was great in every way, writing, directing, acting. A stand out there is the argument between Jon and Sansa. Awesome job.

Quote from: Prog Snob on June 20, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
He WAS the last giant, wasn't he?

Possibly. The way the Hardhome debate took place, it's hinted that he was the leader for a tribe of giants. But those giants are probably wights in the Night King's army by now.
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Post by: Accelerando on June 20, 2016, 12:38:49 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 20, 2016, 07:35:58 AM
Quote from: Accelerando on June 19, 2016, 11:46:14 PM
That was one of the best shot, best choreographed battle sequences in recent memory in either tv or film. One of the best episodes of this show, easily.

Well, since Hardhome last year. :lol Same director did both battles. This guy deserves an award or something.

Agreed! I'd also argue that this battle was just better than Hardhome. Just the way everything was choreographed will even make Peter Jackson think "Damn, I should have thought of that"
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Post by: Progmetty on June 20, 2016, 12:56:13 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 20, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
He WAS the last giant, wasn't he?

Possibly. The way the Hardhome debate took place, it's hinted that he was the leader for a tribe of giants. But those giants are probably wights in the Night King's army by now.
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It's my understand that there used to be only him and the one that died in Mance Rayder's attack on the wall, which btw 5 watchmen were able to kill him and die in the process, evidently Wun Wun was giant super hero to have lasted as long as he did in the battle of the bastards.
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Post by: ariich on June 20, 2016, 02:06:25 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 19, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: faizoff on June 19, 2016, 09:33:32 PM
Oh and I have to add, that was some of the best battle cinematography I think I've ever seen on TV. I mean the battle was going pretty much by the numbers but I was so engrossed the whole time.

The Knights of the Vail coming in reminded me of Gandalf and the riders of Rohan coming down the mountain in the Two Towers. Complete deus ex machina storytelling wise but it makes for good entertainment.
Cliche, certainly, but I'm not sure it's right to call it deus ex machina. We knew Sansa had asked them to come, and early in the episode she asked Jon to hold out for more fighters clearly in the hope that they would do so. So as a result it wasn't at all surprising, and certainly didn't come out of the blue.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2016, 02:08:52 PM: I agree. I'm OK with people coming in to save the day. After all, that's where the expression comes from. It wouldn't be a cliche if it never happened.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 20, 2016, 02:56:42 PM: Man, what an episode!

As various empires and generals in the course of history seemed to have a hard time to figure out the basic concept of "Don't invade Russia when it's winter", Dany's enemies as well have a baffling difficulty in grasping the concept that she has three muthafackin dragons, which after all it's all she ever talk about. Maybe this time around they will learn.

Anyway, think of the various discussions about the plans... the time it must have took them to decide which maester to kill ;D seriously, how they all talked it down? "Ok, you go out with the dragon, then we will let the other ones free, meanwhile we'll send a raven or something to the Khalasar so that they will come in once the fleet is ablaze, now about the maesters dying... who are we gonna kill? the asshole one? mh, if someone asks to die willingly, kill him, and if someone offers another kill him instead... what if they gang up on another one? ok, kill the other two then". And so on ;D

For the battle in the north... amazing coreography, indeed. Cruel soundtrack game here, they have music building up tension in what appears to be the fatal shot for Rickon, and then he escapes, and then just out of nowhere he gets shut down. Bummer. All the entire scene I was figuratively screaming at him "RUN ZIG-ZAG YOU MORON!!!!"... why did he have to make Ramsay's job easy?

Ramsay was obviously gonna bite the bullet, and obviously there would have been side casualties for our heroes. Rickon and Wun Wun were the most likely ones, and I was starting to fear for Tormund, likely he survived. It's really cliched to have the knights of the Vale arriving especially when the battle was about to be lost, I only wonder why Sansa never told Jon directly "Listen, don't be pissed off at me, but I've already asked Littlefinger for help, can't you just wait a day or two more?"

I took a savage pleasure in watching Jon beating Ramsay down with his bare hands. When he stopped I thought he would have let Sansa kill him there and then, but it's equally satisfying to have him ripped to pieces by his own dog. Never felt so good since Joffrey's death and Cersei's walk of shame.

Now, on to a hopefully wonderful final episode! I espect a glorious mess happening in King's Landing....
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 20, 2016, 03:46:25 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 20, 2016, 02:56:42 PM

For the battle in the north... amazing coreography, indeed. Cruel soundtrack game here, they have music building up tension in what appears to be the fatal shot for Rickon, and then he escapes, and then just out of nowhere he gets shut down. Bummer. All the entire scene I was figuratively screaming at him "RUN ZIG-ZAG YOU MORON!!!!"... why did he have to make Ramsay's job easy?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If I was him, I would have ran, but while also looking back to see when he released the arrow. At which point, I would run sideways for like 20 paces and then continue to run forward. Just keep your eyes on where the arrow is going.

But still a cool strategy for Ramsey to draw Snow into the trap.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 20, 2016, 10:35:19 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 20, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
It's really cliched to have the knights of the Vale arriving especially when the battle was about to be lost, I only wonder why Sansa never told Jon directly "Listen, don't be pissed off at me, but I've already asked Littlefinger for help, can't you just wait a day or two more?"

Exactly, except why would he even be pissed off that she did that when they toured the houses looking for support?! He doesn't know LF and as far as we know they've never met, why would he be pissed that Sansa wrote him! It doesn't make sense..
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2016, 01:07:40 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 20, 2016, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on June 20, 2016, 02:56:42 PM

For the battle in the north... amazing coreography, indeed. Cruel soundtrack game here, they have music building up tension in what appears to be the fatal shot for Rickon, and then he escapes, and then just out of nowhere he gets shut down. Bummer. All the entire scene I was figuratively screaming at him "RUN ZIG-ZAG YOU MORON!!!!"... why did he have to make Ramsay's job easy?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If I was him, I would have ran, but while also looking back to see when he released the arrow. At which point, I would run sideways for like 20 paces and then continue to run forward. Just keep your eyes on where the arrow is going.

This is even better than just running zig-zag. I didn't think of it, evidently Rickon in the panic of the situation didn't think even about not running straight.

Anyway, someone a while back suggested that Sansa may be pregnant, due to her line to Littlefinger "I can feel the effects of what Ramsay did to me in my body right now". Also Ramsay taunted her along the lines of "I'm in you forever", was he just saying that the phisical abuse she went through would have been impossible to forget, or he actually knocked her up and he figured it out? even though, it seems a bit pointless to have Sansa pregnant with the son of a dead ex-warden of the North.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on June 21, 2016, 02:28:27 AM: What a brilliant episode! You can see where the budget has been spent for this season. The battle scenes were incredible, and the dragon CGI was probably the best use of CGI I've seen on a TV show.

Nice to see Ramsay get his come-uppance, and the smirk on Sansa's face as she walked away at the very end was priceless.

Rickon's "run for your life" scene was great, because you really thought he was going to make it, but one final act of cruelty from Ramsay put a stop to it. It reminded me of a very similar scene in Apocalypto, but with a different outcome. I suppose the intention was to goad Jon Snow into doing something rash, and it nearly worked.

I'd no problem with the Knights of the Vale coming to save the day, but it was really looking grim for a while, and being GoT, you can never count on things working out as you might expect. :biggrin:

One minor gripe is that the scenes with Daenerys felt a little rushed. The battle at Meereen seemed to be over pretty quickly, and next thing you know, the Ironborn show up and form an alliance. Did she agree to give them back the Iron Islands, with the understanding that there would be no more reaving and pillaging? Or would Daenerys maintain control of all the 7 kingdoms? I'm not sure if I picked up on that correctly.. ???
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 21, 2016, 02:54:55 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 20, 2016, 12:30:25 PM
A stand out there is the argument between Jon and Sansa.
Yea I loved that scene, it made you question if they had a chance against Ramsay, maybe they actually didn't and Jon was way over his head.
Actually all the way up until Jon finally beat the shit out of Ramsay I was expecting an arrow or sword or something hitting Jon. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on June 21, 2016, 03:33:39 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 21, 2016, 02:54:55 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on June 20, 2016, 12:30:25 PM
A stand out there is the argument between Jon and Sansa.
Yea I loved that scene, it made you question if they had a chance against Ramsay, maybe they actually didn't and Jon was way over his head.
Actually all the way up until Jon finally beat the shit out of Ramsay I was expecting an arrow or sword or something hitting Jon. :lol
He definitely was out of his depth. The only reason they didn't get completely slaughtered was that Sansa had requested help from the Vale, and they came through. Jon failed epically in this battle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 05:50:30 AM: There isn't much information about this yet but you can sign up and get updates when the website is up and running.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 06:20:15 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 21, 2016, 01:07:40 AM
Anyway, someone a while back suggested that Sansa may be pregnant, due to her line to Littlefinger "I can feel the effects of what Ramsay did to me in my body right now". Also Ramsay taunted her along the lines of "I'm in you forever", was he just saying that the phisical abuse she went through would have been impossible to forget, or he actually knocked her up and he figured it out? even though, it seems a bit pointless to have Sansa pregnant with the son of a dead ex-warden of the North.

It definitely does seem pointless given the show is coming to an end soon... but Sansa also said your family will be forgotten which would not be true if she was pregnant so Im guessing she is not.

Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 21, 2016, 02:28:27 AM
One minor gripe is that the scenes with Daenerys felt a little rushed. The battle at Meereen seemed to be over pretty quickly, and next thing you know, the Ironborn show up and form an alliance. Did she agree to give them back the Iron Islands, with the understanding that there would be no more reaving and pillaging? Or would Daenerys maintain control of all the 7 kingdoms? I'm not sure if I picked up on that correctly.. ???

I believe so, they can have the Iron Islands but would still be apart of the 7 Kingdoms and under Dany's rule (and no more raping and pillaging).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 21, 2016, 06:23:37 AM: Finished Season 5 last night... fucking Ollie.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2016, 06:36:16 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2016, 06:23:37 AM
Finished Season 5 last night... fucking Ollie.
My exact reaction.

OK, you have a week to catch up in order to see the finale for season 6.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 21, 2016, 06:38:09 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2016, 06:36:16 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2016, 06:23:37 AM
Finished Season 5 last night... fucking Ollie.
My exact reaction.

OK, you have a week to catch up in order to see the finale for season 6.

Piece of cake. I'm really enjoying this show. I'm going to be bummed once I'm caught up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 06:42:37 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2016, 06:38:09 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2016, 06:36:16 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2016, 06:23:37 AM
Finished Season 5 last night... fucking Ollie.
My exact reaction.

OK, you have a week to catch up in order to see the finale for season 6.

Piece of cake. I'm really enjoying this show. I'm going to be bummed once I'm caught up.

You'll be like the rest of us in misery after sunday with the long night ahead
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 21, 2016, 07:37:51 AM: Quote from: ariich on June 20, 2016, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 19, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: faizoff on June 19, 2016, 09:33:32 PM
Oh and I have to add, that was some of the best battle cinematography I think I've ever seen on TV. I mean the battle was going pretty much by the numbers but I was so engrossed the whole time.

The Knights of the Vail coming in reminded me of Gandalf and the riders of Rohan coming down the mountain in the Two Towers. Complete deus ex machina storytelling wise but it makes for good entertainment.
Cliche, certainly, but I'm not sure it's right to call it deus ex machina. We knew Sansa had asked them to come, and early in the episode she asked Jon to hold out for more fighters clearly in the hope that they would do so. So as a result it wasn't at all surprising, and certainly didn't come out of the blue.

"Deus ex machina" is a term frequently misused. If it's set up in advance a last-minute save is not a deus ex machina.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 07:52:11 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2016, 06:38:09 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2016, 06:36:16 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2016, 06:23:37 AM
Finished Season 5 last night... fucking Ollie.
My exact reaction.

OK, you have a week to catch up in order to see the finale for season 6.

Piece of cake. I'm really enjoying this show. I'm going to be bummed once I'm caught up.

I know the feeling. Imagine us book readers who have been waiting for the sixth book for years now.

Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 21, 2016, 07:37:51 AM
Quote from: ariich on June 20, 2016, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 19, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: faizoff on June 19, 2016, 09:33:32 PM
Oh and I have to add, that was some of the best battle cinematography I think I've ever seen on TV. I mean the battle was going pretty much by the numbers but I was so engrossed the whole time.

The Knights of the Vail coming in reminded me of Gandalf and the riders of Rohan coming down the mountain in the Two Towers. Complete deus ex machina storytelling wise but it makes for good entertainment.
Cliche, certainly, but I'm not sure it's right to call it deus ex machina. We knew Sansa had asked them to come, and early in the episode she asked Jon to hold out for more fighters clearly in the hope that they would do so. So as a result it wasn't at all surprising, and certainly didn't come out of the blue.

"Deus ex machina" is a term frequently misused. If it's set up in advance a last-minute save is not a deus ex machina.

Personally, I think it's something a writer uses when he's obviously out of other options. Overused, it's a lazy option and it's not something we have seen GRRM display. I would like to think it didn't happen this way in the books. It's like the elves at Helm's Deep which was poor writing on PJ's part, though I get why he did it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 09:13:10 AM: But two of the major battles in ASOIAF (Blackwater and the assault on the Wall) are resolved by late in the game arrivals of overwhelming forces that are more unexpected (if not "out of nowhere") than the arrival of the Vale forces at the battle of Winterfell (Tywin and the Tyrells at the Blackwater, Stannis at the Wall). So as well as Littlefinger arriving being pretty much the opposite of "deus ex machina" (which is an outside force that is newly introduced to unexpectedly solve a problem) it seems exactly in line with GRRM's writing (which would actually be the better criticism - another battle decided by the late stage arrival of an overwhelming cavalry force that wasn't anticipated by the commander of either army).

Of course I think few modern stories have major obstacles removed by a true "deus ex machina" (unless it's intended comedically) where something completely new and unexpected, like a God literally stepping in, solves the problem. Something like the eagles in the Return of the King (the film especially) are close though; we already knew there were giant eagles in the world that had helped Gandalf before, but there was literally no prior indication that they might show up to help decide the battle of the Black Gates and save the lives of Frodo and Sam. In Game Of Thrones, Benjen's arrival to save Bran and Meera is a close example too - obviously we knew that Benjen might still be out there somewhere so he is not completely new, but there was no prior indication he was working with the Three Eyed Raven and we didn't know that he had sent for any sort of help before he died.

In the case of Littlefinger and the knights of the Vale, we have:
1. Littlefinger discusses with Sansa plans to bring in the Vale forces to defeat either the Boltons or Stannis early in season 5.
2. Littlefinger gains permission from Cersei to take the Vale forces north to face the Boltons or Stannis (although obviously he lies about his true intentions) in the middle of season 5.
3. Littlefinger convinces Robyn Arryn to send Vale forces north to face the Boltons early in season 6.
4. Littefinger tells Sansa that the Vale forces are coming North and offers to help her defeat the Boltons in the middle of season 6.
5. Sansa originally refuses to accept the help of Littlefinger because she no longer trusts him, but after exhausting other options she writes to him to accept the help of the Vale forces - in the last episode she is shown before the Battle of the Bastards.

Then, at the Battle of the Bastards, Littlefinger and the Vale forces arrive and help defeat the Boltons, in a move that has literally been set up for almost two seasons and clearly foreshadowed the last time the North was shown. As far as other forces arriving to solve a problem, it is about as far from a deus ex machina as you can get. It may be another last minute cavalry charge, but people are right to point out that it is not a deus ex machina.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 21, 2016, 09:14:49 AM: Welp... today is the last day ever use LinkedIn

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 09:24:12 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 09:25:12 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 09:13:10 AM
But two of the major battles in ASOIAF (Blackwater and the assault on the Wall) are resolved by late in the game arrivals of overwhelming forces that are more unexpected (if not "out of nowhere") than the arrival of the Vale forces at the battle of Winterfell (Tywin and the Tyrells at the Blackwater, Stannis at the Wall). So as well as Littlefinger arriving being pretty much the opposite of "deus ex machina" (which is an outside force that is newly introduced to unexpectedly solve a problem) it seems exactly in line with GRRM's writing (which would actually be the better criticism - another battle decided by the late stage arrival of an overwhelming cavalry force that wasn't anticipated by the commander of either army).

Of course I think few modern stories have major obstacles removed by a true "deus ex machina" (unless it's intended comedically) where something completely new and unexpected, like a God literally stepping in, solves the problem. Something like the eagles in the Return of the King (the film especially) are close though; we already knew there were giant eagles in the world that had helped Gandalf before, but there was literally no prior indication that they might show up to help decide the battle of the Black Gates and save the lives of Frodo and Sam. In Game Of Thrones, Benjen's arrival to save Bran and Meera is a close example too - obviously we knew that Benjen might still be out there somewhere so he is not completely new, but there was no prior indication he was working with the Three Eyed Raven and we didn't know that he had sent for any sort of help before he died.

In the case of Littlefinger and the knights of the Vale, we have:
1. Littlefinger discusses with Sansa plans to bring in the Vale forces to defeat either the Boltons or Stannis early in season 5.
2. Littlefinger gains permission from Cersei to take the Vale forces north to face the Boltons or Stannis (although obviously he lies about his true intentions) in the middle of season 5.
3. Littlefinger convinces Robyn Arryn to send Vale forces north to face the Boltons early in season 6.
4. Littefinger tells Sansa that the Vale forces are coming North and offers to help her defeat the Boltons in the middle of season 6.
5. Sansa originally refuses to accept the help of Littlefinger because she no longer trusts him, but after exhausting other options she writes to him to accept the help of the Vale forces - in the last episode she is shown before the Battle of the Bastards.

Then, at the Battle of the Bastards, Littlefinger and the Vale forces arrive and help defeat the Boltons, in a move that has literally been set up for almost two seasons and clearly foreshadowed the last time the North was shown. As far as other forces arriving to solve a problem, it is about as far from a deus ex machina as you can get. It may be another last minute cavalry charge, but people are right to point out that it is not a deus ex machina.

Well said. I think the God theory you brought up is a perfect example of deus ex machina. There's also a term that Tolkien coined, which is eucatastrophe. It's basically a catastrophe but in favor of the side of good. It's thought to be a type of deus ex machina. In Tolkien's writings, a perfect example of that are the eagles who save the protagonist numerous times. I think in that example, it can also be considered a deus ex machina, because the eagles literally come out of nowhere to save the day.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 09:25:30 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Welp... today is the last day ever use LinkedIn

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-.- Stuff like that is why I watch the episodes as soon as they come out even though I would probably prefer to wait until a season is finished so I can watch multiple episodes at once. Even if I was able to avoid visiting ASOIAF or Game Of Thrones sites or threads like this, stuff like that is always plastered across social media. Even "spoiler free" titles like "Actor talks about THAT HUGE MOMENT in Game Of Thrones!" give away the game.

If it's any consolation, you probably have not been robbed of an event that would have come as a big surprise when it happened. Hopefully you can avoid seeing any more spoilers about the rest of season 6 until you have caught up. Although I'd be careful browsing this thread until you do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on June 21, 2016, 09:28:44 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 09:13:10 AM
But two of the major battles in ASOIAF (Blackwater and the assault on the Wall) are resolved by late in the game arrivals of overwhelming forces that are more unexpected (if not "out of nowhere") than the arrival of the Vale forces at the battle of Winterfell (Tywin and the Tyrells at the Blackwater, Stannis at the Wall). So as well as Littlefinger arriving being pretty much the opposite of "deus ex machina" (which is an outside force that is newly introduced to unexpectedly solve a problem) it seems exactly in line with GRRM's writing (which would actually be the better criticism - another battle decided by the late stage arrival of an overwhelming cavalry force that wasn't anticipated by the commander of either army).

Of course I think few modern stories have major obstacles removed by a true "deus ex machina" (unless it's intended comedically) where something completely new and unexpected, like a God literally stepping in, solves the problem. Something like the eagles in the Return of the King (the film especially) are close though; we already knew there were giant eagles in the world that had helped Gandalf before, but there was literally no prior indication that they might show up to help decide the battle of the Black Gates and save the lives of Frodo and Sam. In Game Of Thrones, Benjen's arrival to save Bran and Meera is a close example too - obviously we knew that Benjen might still be out there somewhere so he is not completely new, but there was no prior indication he was working with the Three Eyed Raven and we didn't know that he had sent for any sort of help before he died.

In the case of Littlefinger and the knights of the Vale, we have:
1. Littlefinger discusses with Sansa plans to bring in the Vale forces to defeat either the Boltons or Stannis early in season 5.
2. Littlefinger gains permission from Cersei to take the Vale forces north to face the Boltons or Stannis (although obviously he lies about his true intentions) in the middle of season 5.
3. Littlefinger convinces Robyn Arryn to send Vale forces north to face the Boltons early in season 6.
4. Littefinger tells Sansa that the Vale forces are coming North and offers to help her defeat the Boltons in the middle of season 6.
5. Sansa originally refuses to accept the help of Littlefinger because she no longer trusts him, but after exhausting other options she writes to him to accept the help of the Vale forces - in the last episode she is shown before the Battle of the Bastards.

Then, at the Battle of the Bastards, Littlefinger and the Vale forces arrive and help defeat the Boltons, in a move that has literally been set up for almost two seasons and clearly foreshadowed the last time the North was shown. As far as other forces arriving to solve a problem, it is about as far from a deus ex machina as you can get. It may be another last minute cavalry charge, but people are right to point out that it is not a deus ex machina.
Exactly. This is a very good detailed version of my comment that it was cliché but very much not deus ex machine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 09:31:41 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 09:13:10 AM

In the case of Littlefinger and the knights of the Vale, we have:
1. Littlefinger discusses with Sansa plans to bring in the Vale forces to defeat either the Boltons or Stannis early in season 5.
2. Littlefinger gains permission from Cersei to take the Vale forces north to face the Boltons or Stannis (although obviously he lies about his true intentions) in the middle of season 5.
3. Littlefinger convinces Robyn Arryn to send Vale forces north to face the Boltons early in season 6.
4. Littefinger tells Sansa that the Vale forces are coming North and offers to help her defeat the Boltons in the middle of season 6.
5. Sansa originally refuses to accept the help of Littlefinger because she no longer trusts him, but after exhausting other options she writes to him to accept the help of the Vale forces - in the last episode she is shown before the Battle of the Bastards.

Then, at the Battle of the Bastards, Littlefinger and the Vale forces arrive and help defeat the Boltons, in a move that has literally been set up for almost two seasons and clearly foreshadowed the last time the North was shown. As far as other forces arriving to solve a problem, it is about as far from a deus ex machina as you can get. It may be another last minute cavalry charge, but people are right to point out that it is not a deus ex machina.

Perfect description of why the Knights of the Vale arriving was perfectly acceptable and expected. Maybe they could have written it differently....maybe the Knights of the Vale arrive the night before and Jon Hides them to draw out the Boltons...or something along those lines but the episode would have lost that impending doom feel that GOT loves to pimp.

If I'm questioning things it's like....why didn't Ramsay send that aarrow straight into Jon's eye rather than Wun Wun's? Jon wasn't looking....just shoot him and be done with it? It's not like Ramsay was doing it out of honor....the dude is without honor.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 09:33:33 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 09:25:30 AM
If it's any consolation, you probably have not been robbed of an event that would have come as a big surprise when it happened. Hopefully you can avoid seeing any more spoilers about the rest of season 6 until you have caught up. Although I'd be careful browsing this thread until you do.

Pretty much this. By the time it happens you'll have realized it was in the works. Consider it a mild spoiler.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 21, 2016, 09:45:07 AM: I was litterally yelling at my tv screen at the end: ´Not dead yet! Not dead yet! Keep beating him!´

When the end credits rolled I was almost shaking, going ´HOLY SHIT! what an episode!!´;D

Had to physically come down from the tension....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 10:36:58 AM: Great episode! I'm with all the praise and discussion so far.

The one unexpected part of this episode that I haven't seen mentioned is Sansa's willingness to sacrifice anything to get at Ramsey.

She clearly forecast Rickon's death as Ramsey's play toy, and even begged Jon not to be drawn in by it. She new that Little Finger and the Vale Knights would be available to win the war but refused to tell Jon about it in advance even though she had plenty of opportunity. I assume she didn't want to give anything away that might forewarn Ramsey. One word from her and she could have held Jon's attack until the Vale Knights arrived. Unless I'm misreading the episode, she was so determined to have it be a surprise to the Bolton army that in the end she was willing to sacrifice Rickon, Jon, and the whole army just to get Ramsey to overextend and fall victim to the Vale Knights.

I'll take her smile as verification.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 21, 2016, 10:38:09 AM: Yea advice to Chino, DONT use the internet until you're caught up on all episodes of this season ;-)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 10:47:23 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 10:36:58 AM
Great episode! I'm with all the praise and discussion so far.

The one unexpected part of this episode that I haven't seen mentioned is Sansa's willingness to sacrifice anything to get at Ramsey.

She clearly forecast Rickon's death as Ramsey's play toy, and even begged Jon not to be drawn in by it. She new that Little Finger and the Vale Knights would be available to win the war but refused to tell Jon about it in advance even though she had plenty of opportunity. I assume she didn't want to give anything away that might forewarn Ramsey. One word from her and she could have held Jon's attack until the Vale Knights arrived. Unless I'm misreading the episode, she was so determined to have it be a surprise to the Bolton army that in the end she was willing to sacrifice Rickon, Jon, and the whole army just to get Ramsey to overextend and fall victim to the Vale Knights.

I'll take her smile as verification.

That's how I see it as well. She's such a tactician now and her admitting to Jon that Rickon was expendable also meant that he was as well. She knew the Knights of the Vale could probably have defeated the Bolton Army on their own....but WANTED it to catch Ramsay off guard, and like you said....held tight to that fact. Although she did implore Jon to wait, so maybe she hoped he'd listen but knew if he didn't she'd still get the ultimate goal of defeating Ramsay and getting Winterfell back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 10:51:52 AM: She should have clued him in as to what was going on. If he knew there were thousands more riders coming, he would have waited. I don't think he would have needlessly drove his men into battle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 21, 2016, 10:53:02 AM: She knew Jon would´ve balked if she would have told him about her plan. Also interesting where the Davos line will go now. Will he go after Melisandre himself?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 10:59:05 AM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on June 21, 2016, 10:53:02 AM
She knew Jon would´ve balked if she would have told him about her plan.

Also, I don't think she wanted to risk that Ramsey would just hold out in Winterfell had he got wind of reinforcements on the way. She needed him out in the open and new that an inferior (seeming) force would do the trick. If she tells Jon, he would wait until they arrived.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 11:01:57 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: Cyclopssss on June 21, 2016, 10:53:02 AM
She knew Jon would´ve balked if she would have told him about her plan.

Also, I don't think she wanted to risk that Ramsey would just hold out in Winterfell had he got wind of reinforcements on the way. She needed him out in the open and new that an inferior (seeming) force would do the trick. If she tells Jon, he would wait until they arrived.

Remember, she watched from the tower in Winterfell what happened when Stannis brought his small army to Winterfell, it lead Ramsay right out to crush him. She knew the same would happen for Jon. In fact, she even know Rickon would be bait and warned Jon who fell right for it anyway. That decision should have crushed him had the Vale/Sansa saved the day.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 11:02:10 AM: Actually, now that I think of it, a better title for that episode would have been, The Ruthlessness of Women.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 11:42:48 AM: I have to say I didn't see it as Sansa having a deliberate plan for the battle or hiding the knowledge of the Vale forces from Jon because she didn't think he could handle it or not give them away or anything like that. After what happened with the Boltons she know longer trusted Littlefinger, and I think no longer wanted to be dependent on him. That's why she said she didn't want his help, and she didn't tell Jon or anyone else about the offer since she didn't want that decision taken out of her hands. However, after they have gone to all the Northern houses they can and not got the support they need, and when it's clear that Brienne won't be coming back with the Tullys (or at least on time for the battle), she realises she has no choice but to go back to Littlefinger. As for why she didn't tell Jon about it between writing the letter to Littlefinger and the day of the battle, it could have been due to guilt about not revealing it sooner, it could have been because she didn't yet know whether Littlefinger was even going to show up... or it could have been part of a deliberate, elaborate strategy to let Jon lose all his forces but ensure that Ramsay's forces were caught unawares. Personally I think that third option is by far the least likely, and doesn't really fit with what she was trying to tell Jon Snow before the battle (don't attack Winterfell yet, wait for more numbers from "somewhere", don't let Ramsay provoke you into attacking first). Also it doesn't really fit with her motivation shown earlier in the season, which was clearly wanting to win and reclaim the North without being beholden to Littlefinger - deliberately intending for Jon Snow's forces to be decimated and Littlefinger's to remain mostly unscathed achieves the opposite, giving Littlefinger more power.

I think that Sansa didn't fully trust Jon Snow enough to inform him of everything, and I think she gave up on Rickon because she knew that it was a lost cause if Ramsay had him and that holding out hope would allow Ramsay to manipulate them (as he clearly did). But I don't buy that she was some cool calculating strategist who intended the battle to play out the way it did - she just knew that Ramsay was extremely dangerous (although she didn't really have any good ideas on how to outsmart him) and she knew that her secret trump card of Littlefinger may be coming to help, even though she really did not want to ask him for help.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 11:57:27 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 11:42:48 AM
But I don't buy that she was some cool calculating strategist who intended the battle to play out the way it did - she just knew that Ramsay was extremely dangerous (although she didn't really have any good ideas on how to outsmart him) and she knew that her secret trump card of Littlefinger may be coming to help, even though she really did not want to ask him for help.

That's more likely, I suppose. But I don't like it as much as my interpretation. Spoilsport! :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on June 21, 2016, 12:10:33 PM: So does anyone else think that Tyrions speech about the mad king and the wild fire was an obviouse tip of the hat of things to come. I'm more convinced now than ever that Jamie is going to kill Cersei to prevent her trying to destroy kings landing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 12:23:12 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 21, 2016, 12:10:33 PM
So does anyone else think that Tyrions speech about the mad king and the wild fire was an obviouse tip of the hat of things to come. I'm more convinced now than ever that Jamie is going to kill Cersei to prevent her trying to destroy kings landing.

He won't get back there in time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2016, 12:39:42 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 21, 2016, 12:10:33 PM
So does anyone else think that Tyrions speech about the mad king and the wild fire was an obviouse tip of the hat of things to come. I'm more convinced now than ever that Jamie is going to kill Cersei to prevent her trying to destroy kings landing.

It's entirely possible. Not 100% sure, but if it does happen, I won't be totally surprised.

About Sansa... well, she had the cold blood and lucid realization about Rickon being dead meat, not many leaders in Westeros could be able to clearly recognize a lost cause, so it's possible that she didn't warn Jon of Littlefinger's help on purpouse. Not because she's good at war strategies, she told herself she isn't, but more along the lines of "I know he's a cunning bastard, so even if Jon doesn't behave based on LF's help, this may throw Ramsay off". She even told Jon "Don't do whatever he expects you to do, do something else"... not telling of an army that maybe wasn't even showing up was that "something else".

All of this of course it's far better than "Cliched surprise arrival that couldn't be told to Jon Snow" ;D

Speaking of surprises about Jon Snow... do you think either we, the viewers, or himself will learn about his parentage in the final episode? TV writers seem to have the assumption that show watchers have no memory so from this mindset it would be weird to show the Tower of Joy, introduce a young Ned Stark, and then have people forget about it until next year.
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Post by: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 12:41:41 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 12:23:12 PM
He won't get back there in time.

I don't know, Prog, people travel really far really fast in this show. Theon went from Winterfell, to the Iron Islands, to Volantis and on to Mareen in seemingly a few weeks! :biggrin:

Speaking of which, why didn't Theon tell Tyrion, "Hey Mang, I saved your wife last month!"
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Post by: ariich on June 21, 2016, 12:43:08 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on June 21, 2016, 11:42:48 AM
I have to say I didn't see it as Sansa having a deliberate plan for the battle or hiding the knowledge of the Vale forces from Jon because she didn't think he could handle it or not give them away or anything like that. After what happened with the Boltons she know longer trusted Littlefinger, and I think no longer wanted to be dependent on him. That's why she said she didn't want his help, and she didn't tell Jon or anyone else about the offer since she didn't want that decision taken out of her hands. However, after they have gone to all the Northern houses they can and not got the support they need, and when it's clear that Brienne won't be coming back with the Tullys (or at least on time for the battle), she realises she has no choice but to go back to Littlefinger. As for why she didn't tell Jon about it between writing the letter to Littlefinger and the day of the battle, it could have been due to guilt about not revealing it sooner, it could have been because she didn't yet know whether Littlefinger was even going to show up... or it could have been part of a deliberate, elaborate strategy to let Jon lose all his forces but ensure that Ramsay's forces were caught unawares. Personally I think that third option is by far the least likely, and doesn't really fit with what she was trying to tell Jon Snow before the battle (don't attack Winterfell yet, wait for more numbers from "somewhere", don't let Ramsay provoke you into attacking first). Also it doesn't really fit with her motivation shown earlier in the season, which was clearly wanting to win and reclaim the North without being beholden to Littlefinger - deliberately intending for Jon Snow's forces to be decimated and Littlefinger's to remain mostly unscathed achieves the opposite, giving Littlefinger more power.

I think that Sansa didn't fully trust Jon Snow enough to inform him of everything, and I think she gave up on Rickon because she knew that it was a lost cause if Ramsay had him and that holding out hope would allow Ramsay to manipulate them (as he clearly did). But I don't buy that she was some cool calculating strategist who intended the battle to play out the way it did - she just knew that Ramsay was extremely dangerous (although she didn't really have any good ideas on how to outsmart him) and she knew that her secret trump card of Littlefinger may be coming to help, even though she really did not want to ask him for help.
That's how I see it too. Sansa even pleaded with Jon to wait until they had more numbers, clearly hopeful that the Vale would come through. I think she figured that Rickon was a lost cause regardless.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 12:47:05 PM: Quote from: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 12:41:41 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 12:23:12 PM
He won't get back there in time.

I don't know, Prog, people travel really far really fast in this show. Theon went from Winterfell, to the Iron Islands, to Volantis and on to Mareen in seemingly a few weeks! :biggrin:

Yes, but we see Jaime with Walder Frey, if that's actually really Jaime. Some say it's Arya getting her revenge. That's a pretty big rumor going around.

Quote from: MirrorMask on June 21, 2016, 12:39:42 PM

Speaking of surprises about Jon Snow... do you think either we, the viewers, or himself will learn about his parentage in the final episode? TV writers seem to have the assumption that show watchers have no memory so from this mindset it would be weird to show the Tower of Joy, introduce a young Ned Stark, and then have people forget about it until next year.

It wouldn't be an introduction to the young Ned Stark. We've seen him already. Secondly, nobody is going to forget Jon's parentage. It's going to psych them up for next season to see how Jon finds out about it and what he will do when he does.
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Post by: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 12:52:34 PM: Yeah, I'll actually be surprised if the season doesn't end with Bran having a vision of young Ned holding a baby boy in his arms while Lyanna says, "Promise me."
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 12:55:20 PM: Quote from: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 12:52:34 PM
Yeah, I'll actually be surprised if the season doesn't end with Bran having a vision of young Ned holding a baby boy in his arms while Lyanna says, "Promise me."

That's exactly what's going to happen. The actor playing young Ned is supposed to be in the season finale. Whether or not that's really true, we'll see.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 01:49:22 PM: Any chance Sansa explains herself to Jon in the next episode as to why she kept the Nights of the Vale a secret? I mean, he's probably gonna confront her on that one.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 01:52:55 PM: He would be foolish not to mention it to her. It's definitely something that the commander of a battle should know. :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 01:54:24 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 01:52:55 PM
He would be foolish not to mention it to her. It's definitely something that the commander of a battle should know. :lol

"Hey sis....thanks for the F'n heads up. That would have been a cool piece of info. to know..."
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2016, 01:54:34 PM: Yeah, no shit.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 01:55:43 PM: I dont think he has a choice considering he is now surrounded by another army that to him, came out of no where and he has no idea who LF even is (might know of him, but never met him).

I think the better question is, what are the chances LF just takes WF for himself? :lol I don't think he does that considering his love for Sansa, but I wouldn't put it past him.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 01:57:33 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 01:52:55 PM
He would be foolish not to mention it to her. It's definitely something that the commander of a battle should know. :lol

"Hey sis....thanks for the F'n heads up. That would have been a cool piece of info. to know..."

"Bastard."
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 01:58:01 PM: (https://tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/kit-harington-sad-jon-snow-game-of-thrones.jpg?w=592&h=333)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 02:24:00 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
I think the better question is, what are the chances LF just takes WF for himself? :lol I don't think he does that considering his love for Sansa, but I wouldn't put it past him.

LF has the Vale already. The only thing in Winterfell LF wants is Sansa
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Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 02:30:17 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 01:55:43 PM
I think the better question is, what are the chances LF just takes WF for himself? :lol I don't think he does that considering his love for Sansa, but I wouldn't put it past him.

LF has the Vale already. The only thing in Winterfell LF wants is Sansa

The Vale is nothing compared to the North. While LF's intentions are still a mystery (and they very well could just be to have Sansa for himself) it has always seemed like he wanted more power. Marrying Sansa would help with that, but I wouldn't put anything past him.

Sadly since the show is ending, I think the idea of LF attempting to conquer the North would be a plotline too long for the show so I'm not serious in considering it. I could seriously see him getting killed by a White Walker next season though :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2016, 02:46:09 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 02:30:17 PM
I could seriously see him getting killed by a White Walker next season though :lol

that'd be funny. But it does seem that all his separate deals and behind the scene actions would catch up to him sooner or later. He's ticked off and double crossed countless folks....
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2016, 03:10:38 PM: What is actually Littlefinger's stand with the Lannisters now? last time he spoke with Cersei he was like "Let the Boltons and Stannis kill each other, once they're done I come in and take over the weakened winner". Could he still present himself to the crown, "Hey I've secured the North for you"?

I still can't figure out his endgame... he has - somehow - the North and the Vale, is that enough to, dunno, wage war against King's Landing? I would love for him to succeed, either sits on the Iron Throne or be the actual power directly behind it (like Tywin was), and then like the very next day either a dragon eats him, or the White Walkers kick his ass :biggrin: it would be fun to see him achieve all his plans and get done by the only thing he couldn't foresee, "climate change".
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 21, 2016, 03:29:28 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 21, 2016, 03:10:38 PM
What is actually Littlefinger's stand with the Lannisters now? last time he spoke with Cersei he was like "Let the Boltons and Stannis kill each other, once they're done I come in and take over the weakened winner". Could he still present himself to the crown, "Hey I've secured the North for you"?

I still can't figure out his endgame... he has - somehow - the North and the Vale, is that enough to, dunno, wage war against King's Landing? I would love for him to succeed, either sits on the Iron Throne or be the actual power directly behind it (like Tywin was), and then like the very next day either a dragon eats him, or the White Walkers kick his ass :biggrin: it would be fun to see him achieve all his plans and get done by the only thing he couldn't foresee, "climate change".

Surely that wouldn't be enough to run a siege on King's Landing now that Jon's tiny army is even tinier and whatever was left of the Bolton forces wouldn't be usable. Unless the Vale keeps its army in Winterfell, there's probably not even enough left to defend the place.

Then again maybe the victory would allow the neutral houses to join back together. At least one of them seemed to be a sizable amount of soldiers from the way Jon and co. were talking shop at the time.
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Post by: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 04:32:43 PM: Isn't he still the Lord of Harrenhall too?
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 04:39:26 PM: Quote from: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 04:32:43 PM
Isn't he still the Lord of Harrenhall too?

I believe he still holds that title.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 05:10:18 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 04:32:43 PM
Isn't he still the Lord of Harrenhall too?

I believe he still holds that title.

A meaningless title, as someone on the show had said previously.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 05:15:59 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 21, 2016, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 21, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Podaar on June 21, 2016, 04:32:43 PM
Isn't he still the Lord of Harrenhall too?

I believe he still holds that title.

A meaningless title, as someone on the show had said previously.

Pretty much.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 22, 2016, 05:39:40 AM: I have little to no doubt now that LF is the one who wrote the pink letter to Jon Snow, since Ramsay tells Jon that he'll pardon him for deserting the Night's Watch if he kneels for him, contrary to the letter's content which repeatedly invited Jon to "come and see".
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 06:01:46 AM: Even though it's signed by Ramsay, there are others believed to have truly penned the letter. Here is a good article about that very thing. Littlefinger isn't one of the ones mentioned but the book and show could be changing things.

https://winteriscoming.net/2015/08/21/game-of-thrones-theorycrafting-who-actually-wrote-the-pink-letter/
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Post by: home on June 22, 2016, 06:44:02 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 06:01:46 AM
Even though it's signed by Ramsay, there are others believed to have truly penned the letter. Here is a good article about that very thing. Littlefinger isn't one of the ones mentioned but the book and show could be changing things.

https://winteriscoming.net/2015/08/21/game-of-thrones-theorycrafting-who-actually-wrote-the-pink-letter/

Aren't they looking a little bit too far into this? Did anyone else even know Ramsey called Theon Reek?
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 06:46:54 AM: Personally, I think it's Ramsay. However, I do enjoy getting caught up in the different theories. You're actually learn more about certain characters because you're digging deeper into each one.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 22, 2016, 06:49:37 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 22, 2016, 05:39:40 AM
I have little to no doubt now that LF is the one who wrote the pink letter to Jon Snow, since Ramsay tells Jon that he'll pardon him for deserting the Night's Watch if he kneels for him, contrary to the letter's content which repeatedly invited Jon to "come and see".

I don't think that's particularly solid evidence. Both Ramsay and Jon know – as do we! – Ramsay would never, ever hold to his offer on the battlefield. It was an empty gesture in mockery, the first field attempt to make Jon angry before the Rickon game pushed him over the top.

I do agree with the concept that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay, though. That seems so... insignificant a gesture for a guy so hellbent on toying with people. If he's gonna send you something, it's gonna be a part of your buddy in a box, maybe with a short note. No ravens.
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Post by: home on June 22, 2016, 06:52:17 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 06:46:54 AM
Personally, I think it's Ramsay. However, I do enjoy getting caught up in the different theories. You're actually learn more about certain characters because you're digging deeper into each one.
I agree! they are certainly enjoyable to read :tup It's also fun to see how many little details you easily miss while watching.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2016, 07:07:59 AM: It could make sense for LF to write the letter.

Quote from: MirrorMask on June 21, 2016, 03:10:38 PM
What is actually Littlefinger's stand with the Lannisters now? last time he spoke with Cersei he was like "Let the Boltons and Stannis kill each other, once they're done I come in and take over the weakened winner". Could he still present himself to the crown, "Hey I've secured the North for you"?

This could be part of his reasoning. The Boltons and Stannis didn't really kill each other, it was a slaughter by the Boltons so LF needed Jon's Army to go in first to weaken the Boltons.

Having said that, in the show at least, I think it most likely was written by Ramsay.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2016, 08:51:50 AM: The end goal of LF is certainly the big question being that he's so manipulative and has multiple scenario's playing out. I think he's just waiting to see what his best option is.

I'm curious as to if he knows the situation in Kingslanding and that his 'ally' in Cersi is in some major trouble and essentially useless to him now? She has zero power and ability to help him or influence anyone to help him.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2016, 09:09:37 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2016, 08:51:50 AM
The end goal of LF is certainly the big question being that he's so manipulative and has multiple scenario's playing out. I think he's just waiting to see what his best option is.

I'm curious as to if he knows the situation in Kingslanding and that his 'ally' in Cersi is in some major trouble and essentially useless to him now? She has zero power and ability to help him or influence anyone to help him.

Not only Cersei, but his "ally" in Olenna as well.
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Post by: Podaar on June 22, 2016, 09:22:50 AM: I'm not convinced that Little Finger's motivations are anything more than, "The nobles have disrespected me so I'm going to fuck their shit up."
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2016, 09:29:37 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 22, 2016, 09:22:50 AM
I'm not convinced that Little Finger's motivations are anything more than, "The nobles have disrespected me so I'm going to fuck their shit up."

Could be.

I would think that someone of his background and 'connections' has to know the situation in Kingslanding, and possibly have heard or know of Dany's impending journey across the sea with a massive Army and dragons. He'd be better off aligning himself with Jon and the North as far as 'end game' is concerned IMO.

Hopefully the finale will give us some insight to his intentions.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 09:39:39 AM: I think his misdeeds will mean his death soon enough.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2016, 09:41:15 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 09:39:39 AM
I think his misdeeds will mean his death soon enough.

Yea, I certainly don't see him surviving the series.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 09:45:18 AM: I'm kind of looking forward to The Others passing the wall. I really want to see how the southern cities handle it. We know Jon and the rest of the north will do what it takes but what about the south? Can they put aside their self interests and deal with the real enemy. Will Daenerys focus on her own reign or band together with the north to stop the white walkers?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2016, 10:32:46 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 09:45:18 AM
I'm kind of looking forward to The Others passing the wall. I really want to see how the southern cities handle it. We know Jon and the rest of the north will do what it takes but what about the south? Can they put aside their self interests and deal with the real enemy. Will Daenerys focus on her own reign or band together with the north to stop the white walkers?

Of course she will band together with the north, she has the best weapon against them. It would make no sense for the Dragons to not burn the whites down by the end of the story without a significant change of events. At least IMO.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 10:59:05 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 22, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 09:45:18 AM
I'm kind of looking forward to The Others passing the wall. I really want to see how the southern cities handle it. We know Jon and the rest of the north will do what it takes but what about the south? Can they put aside their self interests and deal with the real enemy. Will Daenerys focus on her own reign or band together with the north to stop the white walkers?

Of course she will band together with the north, she has the best weapon against them. It would make no sense for the Dragons to not burn the whites down by the end of the story without a significant change of events. At least IMO.

It seems too obvious. Daenerys takes the dragons up north and disaster averted? It sounds ideal but it seems way too easy. I feel like she isn't going to care about The Others right away and that she'll need some convincing.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2016, 11:00:17 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 22, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 09:45:18 AM
I'm kind of looking forward to The Others passing the wall. I really want to see how the southern cities handle it. We know Jon and the rest of the north will do what it takes but what about the south? Can they put aside their self interests and deal with the real enemy. Will Daenerys focus on her own reign or band together with the north to stop the white walkers?

Of course she will band together with the north, she has the best weapon against them. It would make no sense for the Dragons to not burn the whites down by the end of the story without a significant change of events. At least IMO.

It seems too obvious. Daenerys takes the dragons up north and disaster averted? It sounds ideal but it seems way too easy. I feel like she isn't going to care about The Others right away and that she'll need some convincing.

I wouldn't say disaster averted, it'll be like all the battles. The north will be losing the fight and someone (the dragons) come in at the last second to save the day.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 11:15:56 AM: I hope not. :lol Another eucatastrophe? I really would prefer something completely unorthodox, like the one about a Stark taking an Other bride. That would be brilliant to have the war end that way, while Daenerys rules the 7 Kingdoms and Jon Snow is Warden of the North or something.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2016, 01:00:36 PM: I would assume the visions of the Iron Throne room empty and covered in ice were a foreshadowing, and that the Others will take over the entire Westeros, which maybe will prompt Dany to finally get her shit together and bring her butt to Westeros.

It would be too easy and cliche to have the dragons being the equivalent of the eagles in LOTR, the Others *will* take over the continent, Dany will at best defeat them, not stop them.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 23, 2016, 01:07:20 AM: Well how about the White walkers being immune to fire meaning the dragons are useless unless I guess they eat them? :lol Again, not a bookreader so i'm just guessing.
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Post by: Bolsters on June 23, 2016, 02:23:47 AM: I believe that it has been implied a few times that dragon's fire is more intense compared to regular fire, so the Walkers may not be able to resist it so easily.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 23, 2016, 04:13:03 AM: Fire kills wights. The walkers only die by Jon and Sam until more blades of the stuff (two different stuffs, right?) are found/made.
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Post by: Lynxo on June 23, 2016, 04:56:58 AM: Sam's father's sword that he stole, that could kill walkers, right? Have Sam lead the army against the undead and kick some ice! :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2016, 05:42:33 AM: Yes, Valyrian Steel and Dragonglass have been shown to kill White Walkers. Even though they were able to walk through those flames to get to the cave this season, I'd still believe dragon fire would kill them.

It's been implied that the Dragons and White Walkers are opposites in some ways. I'd also imagine that a White Walker sword would kill a dragon.
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Post by: Chino on June 23, 2016, 06:29:57 AM: Fell asleep during S06E04 last night. Almost there!

Did not expect Ollie to hang.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 07:39:24 AM: Fucker deserved it.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 23, 2016, 07:51:20 AM: Alright. Late to the party, but 'The Battle of the Bastards' was one of the greatest hours of television I've ever seen in my life. The tension, the suspense, the stakes god dammit! Everything was incredible. Even Dany's small (in comparison to the actual Bastardbowl lol) battle was amazing. I love Game of Thrones because it enables me to be an annoying fanboy and I know that several people will resonate with me! I haven't felt this way about a TV show since probably Breaking Bad back in 2013.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 07:53:45 AM: :tup
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 23, 2016, 07:56:54 AM: Now, some actual conversation: I think that Littlefinger's plans are, as always, kind of blurry and in the darkness, but if one retraces his choices and actions throughout the whole story one might get a glimpse of what he's up to. I mean, he's partially responsible of the dramatic turn of events (pun intended) that unfolded since Robert Baratheon went to Winterfell and the war of the kings that followed. Power makes people sick, like it has been shown and stated several times in the show, and I can totally see Littlefinger wanting to serve as Hand of the King or something once the Lannisters get dethroned (it seems the series are taking that route), and it could be that he sees the Starks fit to rule? I know that he has a huge and creepy crush on Sansa given she's so much like Catelyn, but his love for power might be even bigger than that. If he proposes marriage to her in the next episode or something to that extent, it's probably because there's something more under the sheets.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 23, 2016, 08:33:26 AM: More under those sheets? :omg: I´d settle for what´s there already! :yarr

Yeah, I´m old and a perv. Sorry.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 23, 2016, 08:35:56 AM: Seriously though, I don´t even think Sansa is capable of loving someone ever again. Seriously traumatized.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 09:20:52 AM: A New Service Will Text ‘Game of Thrones’ Spoilers to Your Enemies (https://www.spoiled.io/)

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Post by: ariich on June 23, 2016, 09:26:10 AM: While I enjoyed the episode a ton, am I the only one who didn't think Bastardbowl was nearly as tense or thrilling as, say, Hardholme, or the battle at the wall? It definitely felt a lot more predictable to me. I was quite confident that Ramsay would lose, and was just waiting for the Knights of the Vale to show up. I was also quite confident that Jon wasn't going to die, as he was only recently brought back to life.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2016, 09:37:31 AM: Quote from: ariich on June 23, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
While I enjoyed the episode a ton, am I the only one who didn't think Bastardbowl was nearly as tense or thrilling as, say, Hardholme, or the battle at the wall? It definitely felt a lot more predictable to me. I was quite confident that Ramsay would lose, and was just waiting for the Knights of the Vale to show up. I was also quite confident that Jon wasn't going to die, as he was only recently brought back to life.

No. I thought the predictability made it less favorable to me than the other battles in the show. However, I think this one was one of the better shot ones and was VERY well done.

I guess my rankings on the big battles:

Blackwater - I just love this, but I know it's not most favorites. The Tyrion speech at the end and the Hound's "Fuck the King" are icing on the cake.
Hardhome - Maybe it's because it's the first time we get so much whites and white walkers at once that made this one so interesting, plus the large scale of it and how it felt like it's own mini episode getting the entire last 30 or so minutes with the female actress playing a nice role. The standoff at the end was perfect.
The Wall - The Giants, breaking off the wall, Thenns and one being killed by Sam, Thorne actually being pretty bad ass and likeable, Jon taking over leadership, Ygritte's death. That one shot where the camera pans all around Castle black and you see everyone fighting.
BastardBowl - While probably my least favorite, it doesn't mean it was bad. The large scale human vs. human land combat was ridiculous and so well done. The predictability is the reason why it's at the bottom. The Rickon death was pretty cool and the way Ramsay was finished was also perfect.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 23, 2016, 09:42:59 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 23, 2016, 09:37:31 AM
Quote from: ariich on June 23, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
While I enjoyed the episode a ton, am I the only one who didn't think Bastardbowl was nearly as tense or thrilling as, say, Hardholme, or the battle at the wall? It definitely felt a lot more predictable to me. I was quite confident that Ramsay would lose, and was just waiting for the Knights of the Vale to show up. I was also quite confident that Jon wasn't going to die, as he was only recently brought back to life.

No. I thought the predictability made it less favorable to me than the other battles in the show. However, I think this one was one of the better shot ones and was VERY well done.

I guess my rankings on the big battles:

Blackwater - I just love this, but I know it's not most favorites. The Tyrion speech at the end and the Hound's "Fuck the King" are icing on the cake.
Hardhome - Maybe it's because it's the first time we get so much whites and white walkers at once that made this one so interesting, plus the large scale of it and how it felt like it's own mini episode getting the entire last 30 or so minutes with the female actress playing a nice role. The standoff at the end was perfect.
The Wall - The Giants, breaking off the wall, Thenns and one being killed by Sam, Thorne actually being pretty bad ass and likeable, Jon taking over leadership, Ygritte's death. That one shot where the camera pans all around Castle black and you see everyone fighting.
BastardBowl - While probably my least favorite, it doesn't mean it was bad. The large scale human vs. human land combat was ridiculous and so well done. The predictability is the reason why it's at the bottom. The Rickon death was pretty cool and the way Ramsay was finished was also perfect.

Hardhome was amazing because it really just came out of nowhere. I was not expecting such an amazing battle. Probably my favorite episode of the show.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 10:09:35 AM: Storywise, it may not have been the best.

But the sheer brutality and awesome cinematography of the Bastard battle makes it the best for me.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 23, 2016, 10:24:51 AM: Honestly, I don't even know if this was my favorite episode of this season. Obviously the production values were off the charts for a TV show, but the actual story unfolding wasn't as good as some of the other "big" episodes in prior years. The battle of the bastards itself was somewhat anti-climactic as it would have made zero narrative sense to have Jon Snow brought back from the dead only to die at the hand of Ramsay a few episodes later. Jon Snow's stupidity on the battlefield made his subsequent victory less of a triumph and more of a case of his having been a dumbass and was only bailed out by additional forces arriving at the last minute, forces Sansa kept from him for... reasons unknown. It's also annoying that they went with the surprise cavalry trope twice in the same episode. Don't get me wrong, the effects, staging, and cinematography were spectacular, and I loved seeing Ramsay finally get his, but overall I probably wouldn't put this in my top 3 episodes for GoT.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 10:25:12 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 10:09:35 AM
Storywise, it may not have been the best.

But the sheer brutality and awesome cinematography of the Bastard battle makes it the best for me.

Not to mention the atmosphere and 'feel'. We all knew the Knights of the Vale we're going to show up but they created a great impending doom feel and at one point i thought to myself, Holy Crap....they're gonna kill everyone....maybe Ramsay does win.

Then they hit us with sheer joy and exhilaration.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 10:40:01 AM: Quote from: ariich on June 23, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
While I enjoyed the episode a ton, am I the only one who didn't think Bastardbowl was nearly as tense or thrilling as, say, Hardholme, or the battle at the wall? It definitely felt a lot more predictable to me. I was quite confident that Ramsay would lose, and was just waiting for the Knights of the Vale to show up. I was also quite confident that Jon wasn't going to die, as he was only recently brought back to life.

It was probably one of the most predictable episodes of the show. That being said, I still felt that it was rife with intensity. The scene where Jon is standing with his sword and waiting for the cavalry, with that epic music playing in the background, is one of my favorite moments in the show.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 10:40:55 AM: Same here.
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Post by: Podaar on June 23, 2016, 10:46:50 AM: I also thought the scene where Jon has to swim up through the human press to get air was very well done. Unique and stifling. I loved how once he rose above, the camera drifted up into the air. I felt myself inhaling deeper as the camera went higher.
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Post by: Podaar on June 23, 2016, 11:24:36 AM: Who else was screaming, "EVASIVE MANEUVERS...ZIG-ZAG...ZIG-ZAG!"
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 11:25:04 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 23, 2016, 10:46:50 AM
I also thought the scene where Jon has to swim up through the human press to get air was very well done. Unique and stifling. I loved how once he rose above, the camera drifted up into the air. I felt myself inhaling deeper as the camera went higher.

I had trouble watching that scene. I'm exceedingly claustrophobic and found myself trying to catch my own breath.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 11:30:52 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 23, 2016, 11:24:36 AM
Who else was screaming, "EVASIVE MANEUVERS...ZIG-ZAG...ZIG-ZAG!"

Yep. I think there was a lot of that being shouted.....
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 11:39:06 AM: (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/13417653_1163479383724782_3201697350394015767_n.jpg?oh=41db6102f8778cdb8bf3d7cc0f4f01e4&oe=57FF8771)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2016, 11:39:31 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 23, 2016, 11:24:36 AM
Who else was screaming, "EVASIVE MANEUVERS...ZIG-ZAG...ZIG-ZAG!"
My wife yelled "Serpentine! Serpentine!"
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 23, 2016, 11:43:02 AM: I was thrilled to death so see a few people die in that episode. It was very gratifying.
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Post by: Implode on June 23, 2016, 11:47:38 AM: I'm pretty sure a few thousand people died in that episode :P
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 11:47:57 AM: I thought it was kind of neat also how they had a former loyal Stark ally now enemy....Smalljon Umber.....get killed by a former enemy now close ally.....Tormund.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 11:51:58 AM: I was glad to see Tormund take care of him, though typically we see the betrayed person get their revenge against the betrayer personally. That was one of the few things I expected but didn't see.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 23, 2016, 11:52:36 AM: Quote from: ariich on June 23, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
While I enjoyed the episode a ton, am I the only one who didn't think Bastardbowl was nearly as tense or thrilling as, say, Hardholme, or the battle at the wall? It definitely felt a lot more predictable to me. I was quite confident that Ramsay would lose, and was just waiting for the Knights of the Vale to show up. I was also quite confident that Jon wasn't going to die, as he was only recently brought back to life.

Yeah, it was predictable in the sense that I knew / wildly guessed that Ramsay would die, that the Vale would arrive at the last moment, and that there had to be at least some casualties among the good guys.

Hardhome was insanely awesome because - especially for non book readers - it came really out of nowhere. I was sure I was watching an intermediary, peace-mission scene and then all of a sudden all icy hell broke loose in devasting ways. Unforgettable episode.

Quote from: Podaar on June 23, 2016, 10:46:50 AM
I also thought the scene where Jon has to swim up through the human press to get air was very well done. Unique and stifling. I loved how once he rose above, the camera drifted up into the air. I felt myself inhaling deeper as the camera went higher.

Yes, this was brilliantly done, and while other points may have been predictable, I couldn't have imagined the hero being cut out from the battle because he was busy almost choking to death beneath a pile of corpses.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:28:28 PM: https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/22/battle-of-the-bastards-director-miguel-sapochnik-on-why-ghost-wasnt-in-the-fight/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 12:33:31 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/22/battle-of-the-bastards-director-miguel-sapochnik-on-why-ghost-wasnt-in-the-fight/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

As cool as it would have been to see Ghost in a battle....I'm glad he wasn't because a full on battle is no place for a 'weapon' of his nature....he's more of a small group or stealth attack.....he'd have been killed for sure. It's good to have him around still.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 23, 2016, 12:34:22 PM: Another article on that site has an interview with the actor playing Rickon, he says "So far in Season 3, I want Khaleesi to be queen of Westeros."

Geez.

Even one of the actors believe Khaalesi is her name. I have no hope left for humanity.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:42:12 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/22/battle-of-the-bastards-director-miguel-sapochnik-on-why-ghost-wasnt-in-the-fight/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

As cool as it would have been to see Ghost in a battle....I'm glad he wasn't because a full on battle is no place for a 'weapon' of his nature....he's more of a small group or stealth attack.....he'd have been killed for sure. It's good to have him around still.

Indeed. I figured it was obvious why he wasn't on the battlefield. We have enough dead wolves. I don't want to see Ghost die.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 12:47:30 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:42:12 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/22/battle-of-the-bastards-director-miguel-sapochnik-on-why-ghost-wasnt-in-the-fight/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

As cool as it would have been to see Ghost in a battle....I'm glad he wasn't because a full on battle is no place for a 'weapon' of his nature....he's more of a small group or stealth attack.....he'd have been killed for sure. It's good to have him around still.

Hopefully he was out knocking up a couple females to get some more in population...

Indeed. I figured it was obvious why he wasn't on the battlefield. We have enough dead wolves. I don't want to see Ghost die.

Hopefully he was out knocking up a couple females to get some more in population...
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Post by: RuRoRul on June 23, 2016, 12:47:59 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 23, 2016, 12:34:22 PM
Another article on that site has an interview with the actor playing Rickon, he says "So far in Season 3, I want Khaleesi to be queen of Westeros."

Geez.

Even one of the actors believe Khaalesi is her name. I have no hope left for humanity.
I saw that interview as well. Took away a bit of the sting from Rickon's death knowing that he was a filthy casual :P
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 23, 2016, 01:31:03 PM: Quote from: Implode on June 23, 2016, 11:47:38 AM
I'm pretty sure a few thousand people died in that episode :P

Yes but a few made me really happy. Don't stomp all over my joy of seeing characters that deserve to die, die! :lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 02:11:13 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 12:47:30 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:42:12 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/22/battle-of-the-bastards-director-miguel-sapochnik-on-why-ghost-wasnt-in-the-fight/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

As cool as it would have been to see Ghost in a battle....I'm glad he wasn't because a full on battle is no place for a 'weapon' of his nature....he's more of a small group or stealth attack.....he'd have been killed for sure. It's good to have him around still.

Hopefully he was out knocking up a couple females to get some more in population...

Indeed. I figured it was obvious why he wasn't on the battlefield. We have enough dead wolves. I don't want to see Ghost die.

Hopefully he was out knocking up a couple females to get some more in population...

I didn't say that. Where the hell did that come from?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 02:17:41 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 12:47:30 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:42:12 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2016, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/22/battle-of-the-bastards-director-miguel-sapochnik-on-why-ghost-wasnt-in-the-fight/?utm_campaign=WiC+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

As cool as it would have been to see Ghost in a battle....I'm glad he wasn't because a full on battle is no place for a 'weapon' of his nature....he's more of a small group or stealth attack.....he'd have been killed for sure. It's good to have him around still.

Hopefully he was out knocking up a couple females to get some more in population...

Indeed. I figured it was obvious why he wasn't on the battlefield. We have enough dead wolves. I don't want to see Ghost die.

Hopefully he was out knocking up a couple females to get some more in population...

I didn't say that. Where the hell did that come from?

I wrote it....first accidentally inside the quote....then I thought I clipped it out. I just hope he was out procreating.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 03:01:32 PM: Maybe he's still at Castle Black? I doubt it. He's probably running wild somewhere.
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Post by: faizoff on June 23, 2016, 03:25:42 PM: Crazy ratings for the show so far and I'm not surprised.
https://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/23/game-thrones-ratings
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 23, 2016, 09:54:55 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: ariich on June 23, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
While I enjoyed the episode a ton, am I the only one who didn't think Bastardbowl was nearly as tense or thrilling as, say, Hardholme, or the battle at the wall? It definitely felt a lot more predictable to me. I was quite confident that Ramsay would lose, and was just waiting for the Knights of the Vale to show up. I was also quite confident that Jon wasn't going to die, as he was only recently brought back to life.

It was probably one of the most predictable episodes of the show. That being said, I still felt that it was rife with intensity. The scene where Jon is standing with his sword and waiting for the cavalry, with that epic music playing in the background, is one of my favorite moments in the show.

I think the approach made the best of this predictability. I knew what would happen but it was delivered in an exceedingly interesting fashion.

It's in marked contrast to Arya's plot this season.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 24, 2016, 07:51:39 AM: I re-watched the battle scene last night and man it was just as good as the first time. Also, anyone catch that look Jon gave as he'd been shot off the horse and the Calvary started to charge him? He looked around at his surroundings....kind of gave a look where he admitted to himself he had done exactly what Sansa warned him not to do....then that 's when his honor surged and he ripped his sword out and prepared to fight. That was cool...
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Post by: cramx3 on June 24, 2016, 08:13:05 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 24, 2016, 07:51:39 AM
I re-watched the battle scene last night and man it was just as good as the first time. Also, anyone catch that look Jon gave as he'd been shot off the horse and the Calvary started to charge him? He looked around at his surroundings....kind of gave a look where he admitted to himself he had done exactly what Sansa warned him not to do....then that 's when his honor surged and he ripped his sword out and prepared to fight. That was cool...

Yea, that moment was AWESOME. Sure he was in a bad spot, but that shot with the calvary coming right at him was so sick (behind the scenes said that was all REAL, no CGI there).
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 24, 2016, 08:17:55 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 24, 2016, 08:13:05 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 24, 2016, 07:51:39 AM
I re-watched the battle scene last night and man it was just as good as the first time. Also, anyone catch that look Jon gave as he'd been shot off the horse and the Calvary started to charge him? He looked around at his surroundings....kind of gave a look where he admitted to himself he had done exactly what Sansa warned him not to do....then that 's when his honor surged and he ripped his sword out and prepared to fight. That was cool...

Yea, that moment was AWESOME. Sure he was in a bad spot, but that shot with the calvary coming right at him was so sick (behind the scenes said that was all REAL, no CGI there).

I particularly liked the switch from the look of "man...I F'd that up and did exactly what Sansa warned me of"...to..."Alright, LET's GO!!"
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 24, 2016, 11:46:16 AM: It's Davos' fault, he told him to go fail again :biggrin:

I agree however that the scene was massively epic :metal
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 24, 2016, 04:52:27 PM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 23, 2016, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2016, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: ariich on June 23, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
While I enjoyed the episode a ton, am I the only one who didn't think Bastardbowl was nearly as tense or thrilling as, say, Hardholme, or the battle at the wall? It definitely felt a lot more predictable to me. I was quite confident that Ramsay would lose, and was just waiting for the Knights of the Vale to show up. I was also quite confident that Jon wasn't going to die, as he was only recently brought back to life.

It was probably one of the most predictable episodes of the show. That being said, I still felt that it was rife with intensity. The scene where Jon is standing with his sword and waiting for the cavalry, with that epic music playing in the background, is one of my favorite moments in the show.

I think the approach made the best of this predictability. I knew what would happen but it was delivered in an exceedingly interesting fashion.

It's in marked contrast to Arya's plot this season.

In regards to your first paragraph, I absolutely agree. I think at some point, in a fantasy epic, there will be some predictable occurrences to some degree. It's one of the trademarks of fantasy. Sure, GRRM is the best at throwing a curve ball at us, but some things are forever ingrained in fantasy writing. The Knights of the Vale coming to the last minute rescue, a la the Riders of Rohan in The Two Towers, is something that makes a story appealing because we want there to be those moments of desperation where the heroes have all but lost, only to be saved in the eleventh hour.

Arya's storyline this season has been uneventful and lacking any intrigue. Yes, she's going home now, but everything up until that point seemed empty.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 24, 2016, 06:33:43 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 24, 2016, 04:52:27 PM
Arya's storyline this season has been uneventful and lacking any intrigue. Yes, she's going home now, but everything up until that point seemed empty.

Totally. The single most disappointing story line in GOT with Dany's being a close second. At least Dany's picked up a bit and had killer screen time last episode. Arya's this season was total bunk.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 24, 2016, 08:01:08 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 24, 2016, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 24, 2016, 04:52:27 PM
Arya's storyline this season has been uneventful and lacking any intrigue. Yes, she's going home now, but everything up until that point seemed empty.

Totally. The single most disappointing story line in GOT with Dany's being a close second. At least Dany's picked up a bit and had killer screen time last episode. Arya's this season was total bunk.

I agree about Dany. Her segment last week was quite possibly one of the best of all segments this season. All around, last week's episode was one of the best, if not the best.

Where's Gendry? :lol
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 25, 2016, 02:57:55 AM: (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c0/5c/8c/c05c8ce3caa74df3d2614891bea45be1.jpg)

(https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aBKpX7Q_700b.jpg)
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 25, 2016, 04:27:57 AM: Don't give up on Arya's story yet.

The last time we saw on screen someone born into a wealthy family who got their parents murdered, started to travel the world on his own, joined a league of assassins, training with them but ultimely rejecting their values, we got Batman Begins.

:biggrin:
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 25, 2016, 07:30:06 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 25, 2016, 04:27:57 AM
Don't give up on Arya's story yet.

The last time we saw on screen someone born into a wealthy family who got their parents murdered, started to travel the world on his own, joined a league of assassins, training with them but ultimely rejecting their values, we got Batman Begins.

:biggrin:

About the only obvious hint they didn't use was a giant "WHAM!" on screen every time she hit someone :lol

But in actuality, your comparison would be great as an outcome (though maybe not in a bat costume). If next season starts with a masked vigilante running around Westeros killing people on Arya's list without any scenes showing Arya anywhere, I'd be fine with that. Have her unmask in the final showdown and do whatever. I'm done waiting for her to be interesting!
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Post by: cramx3 on June 25, 2016, 10:06:56 AM: King Robert seemed to give the touch of death in the first episode of the series

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moment-first-episode-game-thrones-130002494.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/moment-first-episode-game-thrones-130002494.html)

When he arrives in Winterfell and is greeted by the Starks, he only touches some of them... all the ones who are dead.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM: In all seriousness, where does everyone think Gendry really is right now?
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Post by: Adami on June 25, 2016, 06:48:47 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
In all seriousness, where does everyone think Gendry really is right now?

I assume he's banging his psych teacher in Bristol, assuming he hasn't died yet from a brain hemorrhage. Gilly's there too, being all anorexic and stuff.

(that's a Skins reference, by the way).
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:51:16 PM: Quote from: Adami on June 25, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
In all seriousness, where does everyone think Gendry really is right now?

I assume he's banging his psych teacher in Bristol, assuming he hasn't died yet from a brain hemorrhage. Gilly's there too, being all anorexic and stuff.

(that's a Skins reference, by the way).

Yes, and Beast is there as well.
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Post by: Adami on June 25, 2016, 06:58:20 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: Adami on June 25, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
In all seriousness, where does everyone think Gendry really is right now?

I assume he's banging his psych teacher in Bristol, assuming he hasn't died yet from a brain hemorrhage. Gilly's there too, being all anorexic and stuff.

(that's a Skins reference, by the way).

Yes, and Beast is there as well.

Beast is such a douche.

I really should rewatch Skins.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 07:30:41 PM: Quote from: Adami on June 25, 2016, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: Adami on June 25, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
In all seriousness, where does everyone think Gendry really is right now?

I assume he's banging his psych teacher in Bristol, assuming he hasn't died yet from a brain hemorrhage. Gilly's there too, being all anorexic and stuff.

(that's a Skins reference, by the way).

Yes, and Beast is there as well.

Beast is such a douche.

I really should rewatch Skins.

I never watched it. It came up in Netflix and I was tempted to check it out. I saw quiet a few familiar faces. Gendry, Gilly, Beast, and a couple of others.
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Post by: Adami on June 25, 2016, 07:37:06 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: Adami on June 25, 2016, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: Adami on June 25, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
In all seriousness, where does everyone think Gendry really is right now?

I assume he's banging his psych teacher in Bristol, assuming he hasn't died yet from a brain hemorrhage. Gilly's there too, being all anorexic and stuff.

(that's a Skins reference, by the way).

Yes, and Beast is there as well.

Beast is such a douche.

I really should rewatch Skins.

I never watched it. It came up in Netflix and I was tempted to check it out. I saw quiet a few familiar faces. Gendry, Gilly, Beast, and a couple of others.

Check it out. I mean, if you can handle a story about dumb kids making dumb choices, it's really good. It has a neat system too, every 2 seasons features a different cast. Check out the first 2 at least, the next 4 are cool if you dig it, but ignore the 7th season completely.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 07:39:41 PM: I can't do that. Even if it goes to shit, I have to watch it till the end.
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Post by: Adami on June 25, 2016, 07:44:16 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 07:39:41 PM
I can't do that. Even if it goes to shit, I have to watch it till the end.

Yea, it's not the worst thing ever. It's just really bad, even if the idea was actually really good. Feel free to watch all 7 seasons. :) I give you permission.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 07:53:59 PM: Well, now I have to just because you said so. :biggrin:
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2016, 04:05:50 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
In all seriousness, where does everyone think Gendry really is right now?

In the story's universe, I would assume that he found a safe, quiet place to stay and start a new life, he wasn't dumb so he may have done something similar like hot pie, find himself a quiet spot of Westeros where nobody harasses him.

About what the plans for his character are... I truly don't know if he will ever be brought back. They didn't even keep Rickon around to be the young Stark that rebuilds the house when all it's said and done, why should they have a minor character pop up 4-5 seasons later and rebuild what, the Baratheon house while not being even a legit descendant? he will meet Arya and they will start a family? geez I hope he's not gonna be reused as a love interest.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 26, 2016, 07:05:03 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 26, 2016, 04:05:50 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
In all seriousness, where does everyone think Gendry really is right now?

In the story's universe, I would assume that he found a safe, quiet place to stay and start a new life, he wasn't dumb so he may have done something similar like hot pie, find himself a quiet spot of Westeros where nobody harasses him.

About what the plans for his character are... I truly don't know if he will ever be brought back. They didn't even keep Rickon around to be the young Stark that rebuilds the house when all it's said and done, why should they have a minor character pop up 4-5 seasons later and rebuild what, the Baratheon house while not being even a legit descendant? he will meet Arya and they will start a family? geez I hope he's not gonna be reused as a love interest.

I think it would be poor writing to just leave him out and not resolve his storyline. He was a somewhat major character and people will want to know what becomes of him. I think he will be back at some point and it's quite possible he has been hiding with the Brotherhood Without Banners, especially since they were formed as a band of men still loyal to Robert Baratheon.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 26, 2016, 08:04:04 AM: There's a theory that Jon could find out his true parentage in the Winterfell crypts. There's something in the books where Ned says that he has prepared the crypts for his children. Jon being a bastard wouldn't be in the crypts then, but since the chances are that Jon's true parentage hasn't been revealed yet, what if he does have a place down there. When he goes down there to see Rickon he ventures further and sees his place and it says who his parents are. He always had dreams about the crypt and realizing that there was something down there that he needed to see.

It's something to think about. Littlefinger knows more about the dalliance between Lyanna and Rhaegar than he has admitted so far, so it's possible that when Jon finds this, Littlefinger confirms the truth of the relationship between Lyanna and Rhaegar.

There are many parallels to the story of Lancelot. He wasn't raised by his true parents. Lancelot discovers his parentage in a tomb at a place called the Joyous Keep. The Joyous Keep was originally called Dolorous Gard and it was Lancelot's castle.

Joyous Keep - Tower of Joy
Dolorous Gard - Dolorous Edd
Both finding their parentage in a crypt
Both not raised by their real parents
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2016, 08:17:22 AM: If the most widely theorized guess about Jon's parentage is true, he's still what he is being claimed to be: an half Stark. Why would Ned lie even to his own wife and yet have a crypt there for everyone to see, even for King Robert himself if he ever took a stroll past Lyanna's grave?

They introduced young Ned and young Howland Reed, I believe the latter may show up in the post-Bolton Winterfell and have a talk with him.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 26, 2016, 08:54:08 AM: The sheer immensity of the crypts is labyrinthine. There are parts that have been closed off, parts of the lower level that have supposedly caved in. I don't think anyone would venture too far off the beaten path, save for Ned and maybe the kids who were playing down there. Jon's dreams mean something, as all dreams do in the show. I believe there is something down there yet to be revealed.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2016, 10:05:45 AM: If that is true, then this will be Rickon's ultimate purpose. Jon goes to bury him, sees the crypt, puzzled look on his face... and then cut to the Tower of Joy flashback, it happens what it happens and then credits roll.

Should we start taking fun guesses at the last scene of the season? I bet that, Jon's parentage, or a cliffhanger with a massive clusterfuck happening in King's Landing. Third option, the White Walkers at the Wall. Dany already has her big moment last episode, I can't see her getting the last scene of the season even if it's her decision to bring her butt to Westeros.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 26, 2016, 10:18:00 AM: God I hope you're right. I can't stand the thought of another season ending with Dany and her dragons. Even if predictable, I'd much rather end with the Jon Snow reveal.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 26, 2016, 11:34:36 AM: I think it'll end with either Jon's true parentage or the White Walkers bringing down the wall or at least getting to the wall.

I wonder if we'll get an update about Sam tonight. Since we saw the white bird in the preview, which is most likely from the Citadel, I think there's a chance that we'll see Sam there. I don't think we'll get a whole lot of Dany tonight, but we will most likely get Varys in Dorne. I think Dorne's storyline this season has been terrible and pointless. However, I think they were included this season to prepare for this final episode and that they will have some huge significance in the war to come.
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Post by: Chino on June 26, 2016, 12:13:29 PM: Got all caught up last night. Can't wait for tonight's finale! :metal
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 26, 2016, 12:59:18 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 26, 2016, 12:13:29 PM
Got all caught up last night. Can't wait for tonight's finale! :metal

That's a heck of an effort. I bet it's pretty intense also watching the show in such a short amount of time to get all caught up. Good job.....you get an 'atta boy' :biggrin:
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Post by: Tyrias on June 26, 2016, 01:14:04 PM: Another great option for the end would be the last scene from A Dance with Dragons and the proclamation of winter, then cut to the white walkers arriving at the wall. I think I'd preder either that or Jon Snow's parent reveal.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 26, 2016, 07:53:26 PM: "I have an idea, let's interrupt this decently paced episode for an incredibly boring 10 minutes in Mereen."
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 26, 2016, 08:15:00 PM: There were some really awesome things going on in that episode. I definitely got chills during the King in the North scene. Fuck Cersei, though. So now I think Jaime starts to turn away from her, realizing what she did.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 26, 2016, 08:15:22 PM: I understand the need to wrap some things up and set them up for next season but they should've swapped the last two sequences. Cersei sitting on the throne is way more powerful of an ending.

Also is all this Tower of Joy stuff supposed to make sense to people who haven't read the books? I see it talked about sort of excitedly amongst people that have read the books but the show has done a very poor job in conveying exactly why it's so important.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 26, 2016, 08:24:46 PM: Varys moves really fast. :lol

I think they left the Jon Snow thing as a cliffhanger on purpose. Okay, so people know he's actually Lyanna's son, but some people might not realize that Rhaegar is his father. I think next year Bran will get to Jon or something. I don't know.
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Post by: Genowyn on June 26, 2016, 08:26:37 PM: It reveals Jon's parentage... Or at least half of it. Who even is Rhaegar Targaryen?

Also regarding the bastardization of the Vengeance justice fire and blood line: :puke:
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Post by: DragonAttack on June 26, 2016, 08:37:51 PM: What can one say about an episode that had about five scenes that could have been the final scene, each one just as important as the next.

Briefly, all I can say to Walter Frey is 'the Stark's send their regards'. That had a wow factor x10.

And for the next 42 weeks, it will definitely be 'Happy Sh*tting!'
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Post by: faizoff on June 26, 2016, 10:00:50 PM: God what a season. The red keep stuff was fantastic. The high sparrow being sheared off his flesh with the wild fire was somewhat satisfying. Cersei was fantastic that episode. I have a few friends who have no idea about the L+R=J theory and I'm sure their mind was blown today somewhat. I can't believe all the people that got killed off this episode. I had an idea of some of them but goodness that was a bloodbath and purge of all sorts tonight. Arya's presence completely threw me off but am very excited for her arc next season now.
Man an eternal wait now begins.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM: Tremendous end to a tremendous season.
Thoughts:
- Poor Tommen :sadpanda:
- Oh Margaery! :(
- Septon Unella :'(
- High Sparrow :-\
- Lancel Lannister and Loras Tyrell.. I finally won't need to tell people that they're two different characters..
- Finally a reason to love the sand snakes and their bitch queen.
- Finally Jon Snow parentage confirmed, but on that the questions become:
* Who else knows? We had a hint last season that Petyr Baelish knows. Possibly Benjen too?
* Does the parentage thing matter in the context of the conflicts for power? A bastard is a bastard, he was born out of wedlock and by the rules of Westeros he has no claim on anything no matter who his parents were.
- The King in The North scene is ominous IMO, for Robb Stark reasons.
- Petyr Baelish has it in for Jon now, not good, very not good.
- With the Frey family dead, who rules Riverrun? Should we assume Arya freed Edmund Tully? But he's wimpy and cannot be trusted to pledge allegiance to Jon Snow, I'm gonna go ahead and assume he pledges to Cersei.
- Melisandre will probably hook up with the Brotherhood Without Banners and.. I don't care enough about that story line to think about it, yet.
- Finally we know Petyr Baelish's endgame for sure, it could have been obvious but it always seemed like there could be more to it.
- I feel like it's way too soon for Daenerys Targaryen to start the invasion, story-wise, with all the unresolved conflicts still going on in Westeros, I'll post more on this point separately.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.
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Post by: Tyrias on June 27, 2016, 05:48:08 AM: Can we please talk about that amazing music for the King's Landing scenes? I mean seriously, that music made some great scenes absolutely perfect. The stuff at King's Landing and Arya's short appearance were my favourite parts of the episode, but every part was excellent. I think I liked this even more than episode 9.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 06:07:06 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

I don't get the hate for the High Sparrow. Cersai, Margery and Loras were the ones that sinned and perjured and he's the bad guy?

Quote from: Tyrias on June 27, 2016, 05:48:08 AM
Can we please talk about that amazing music for the King's Landing scenes? I mean seriously, that music made some great scenes absolutely perfect. The stuff at King's Landing and Arya's short appearance were my favourite parts of the episode, but every part was excellent. I think I liked this even more than episode 9.

That music was incredible!

A very satisfying season finale, right up there with Season 4 for me. Season 7 is going to be fn epic!
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 06:14:32 AM: Great finale. This last month has been a hell of a ride. I never watched a show so quickly before.

It was hinted a few episodes ago that there are caches of that wild fire hidden all over the 7 kingdoms. Is Daenerys immune to that kind of fire like she is regular fire?
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 27, 2016, 06:28:09 AM: That was an absolutely fabulous season finale. And now the long wait begins..... :'(
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 27, 2016, 06:34:04 AM: Amazing epsiode to end the season. I'll echo the comments on the amazing score as well. Cersei has cemented herself as my most hated character in the history of the show. Man is she an evil bitch. I really hope Jamie kills her soon because a childless Cersei could spell trouble for everyone. I still don't have a clue what LittleFinger is going to do. I think either Arya or Sansa will kill him. I'm going to miss Margery and I thought that whole 30 minute scene was one of the best shot/scored/directed scenes in the history of the show. I even loved the Mereen stuff. Anyone else think they are forshadowing a marriage between Daenrys and Jon Snow? Man it's going to be a long wait until next season. :'(
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 06:44:59 AM: I thought it was a fantastic fnale, chock full of "Holy shit" moments and setups for next season. It will be a long offseason.

Slightly off-topic: The episode opened with the tolling of the bell over King's Landing. My eldest daughter said "I keep waiting for the bass line for The Glass Prison to start." #ProudPapa
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 06:53:38 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 06:44:59 AM

Slightly off-topic: The episode opened with the tolling of the bell over King's Landing. My eldest daughter said "I keep waiting for the bass line for The Glass Prison to start." #ProudPapa

:metal :hefdaddy
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Post by: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 06:56:19 AM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

I don't get the hate for the High Sparrow. Cersai, Margery and Loras were the ones that sinned and perjured and he's the bad guy?

He's just as power hungry as the rest of them and he hides it well under that calm humble priest disguise. Maybe it's the whole cult thing of theirs too but I'm just glad the head of that snake as been eliminated.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 07:01:32 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 06:56:19 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

I don't get the hate for the High Sparrow. Cersai, Margery and Loras were the ones that sinned and perjured and he's the bad guy?

He's just as power hungry as the rest of them and he hides it well under that calm humble priest disguise. Maybe it's the whole cult thing of theirs too but I'm just glad the head of that snake as been eliminated.

I don't agree with that. When we met him, he was scrubbing the feet of the poor. The faith militant took things to the extreme, but he was only doing what he felt was right due to his spiritual beliefs.... not for personal gain like so many others in this world.
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Post by: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 07:11:15 AM: The score has always been fantastic but this season was an absolute stud of a score. The opening piece in the finale is a thing of beauty and only one of the few piano driven pieces I can remember from the GOT score. It's called Light of the seven. The more I think about the finale the more I'm convinced it's my favorite finale of all seasons and without a doubt now this is my favorite season overall.
There was some chatter I read how next year the season might not start around April but later due to the shorter season plus the fact that they schedule to start filming almost right after the end of the season and that hasnt happened yet. God I hope that's not true it, the wait is already agonizing as it is with an April return.
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 07:11:23 AM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 07:01:32 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 06:56:19 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

I don't get the hate for the High Sparrow. Cersai, Margery and Loras were the ones that sinned and perjured and he's the bad guy?

He's just as power hungry as the rest of them and he hides it well under that calm humble priest disguise. Maybe it's the whole cult thing of theirs too but I'm just glad the head of that snake as been eliminated.

I don't agree with that. When we met him, he was scrubbing the feet of the poor. The faith militant took things to the extreme, but he was only doing what he felt was right due to his spiritual beliefs.... not for personal gain like so many others in this world.

I took it as mostly an act. Once Tommen became king, he saw a window for power and started exploiting it. He wrapped Tommen around his finger to seek power. Keeping his mother and wife away from Tommen was genius as they were two people that would have easily talked him out of listening to the High Sparrow. He bought himself plenty of time by locking the two of them away.
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Post by: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 07:13:26 AM: Also Miguel Sapochnik is the man and I really hope he directs for the next two seasons, his two episodes this season has possibly been some of the greatest TV I've ever seen.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 07:30:43 AM: Talk about a show starting with a bang....

Awesome episode and an amazing season overall. That opening scene with the music was really well done and really set the scene for knowing something really big and bad was about to happen... and in one quick moment soo many characters are dead. Let's see... Kevan Lannister, The High Septon, Margery, Loras, Lancel. Also Pycelle killed outside of the explosion.

Then poor Tommen. Knew he was going to off himself with the way that scene was shot. Actually felt really bad for him in that moment.

Finally the end of Walder Frey. I thought his scene with Jamie was great and how Jamie called him out. As soon as they kept showing that one girl there, I knew that had to be Arya and that Walder was toast. Not only him, I guess his two baffoon sons as well were killed.

See ya Darrio, enjoy Mereen. Pretty big moment for Dany to leave him behind. If the story was longer, I'd say what are the chances he betrays her? But I kind of just see that as the end of the Mereen storyline, finally.

And we return to Dorne and it looks like the new alliance from the South will be the way of Dany and her Dragons into Kings Landing. Olenna made a smart move going down there for the alliance because that is obviously where the likely winner of the game of thrones is. I guess no shock for where Varys went, makes sense for him to go there.

In the North we see Jon become the new King of the North in a pretty awesome scene. Very similar feeling and chills from when Rob was named King of the North. The most interesting part was LF chilling in the back and the only one without a smile. He definitely had the look of thinking about how he needs to scheme things now since it didn't end the way he expected (marriage to Sansa and him being King of the North). He's definitely going to be getting his next season I think when he next makes a move behind the Starks back. Also, Lady Mormont is fucking awesome. I'm glad she has seemed to become a regular on the show now. Also the Manderlays finally!

While the flashback to the tower of Joy may have been a huge reveal, it was probably my least favorite scene of the episode. Just predictable since we all knew how it would play out. I'm also not sure the scene clearly made it known who the father was. It had been implied before in the show so I feel like everyone should know, but they didn't really say it or make it clear how important it was that Ned was taking that baby and making the promise. Either way, huge reveal finally.

And Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne. Looks like her, Gregor Clegane, and Qyburn will be ruling with no immediate threat after taking out all of her local threats in one swoop. Obviously she's going to get hers once Dany gets there, but for now she is safe on her throne it seems... and clearly psychotic. Jamie's look showed that he is clearly in disgust with her now.

Ugh a year of waiting...
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 07:37:34 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 07:11:15 AM
The score has always been fantastic but this season was an absolute stud of a score. The opening piece in the finale is a thing of beauty and only one of the few piano driven pieces I can remember from the GOT score. It's called Light of the seven.
Our viewing party also remarked on how awesome the music was and how unusual that piano piece was for the show. It really elevated what was happening on screen. Outstanding.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 27, 2016, 07:39:15 AM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 07:01:32 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 06:56:19 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 06:07:06 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

I don't get the hate for the High Sparrow. Cersai, Margery and Loras were the ones that sinned and perjured and he's the bad guy?

He's just as power hungry as the rest of them and he hides it well under that calm humble priest disguise. Maybe it's the whole cult thing of theirs too but I'm just glad the head of that snake as been eliminated.

I don't agree with that. When we met him, he was scrubbing the feet of the poor. The faith militant took things to the extreme, but he was only doing what he felt was right due to his spiritual beliefs.... not for personal gain like so many others in this world.

This is what I thought as well. I do think he was manipulating Tommen but he was doing for the "right" reasons.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 07:30:43 AM
Talk about a show starting with a bang....

Awesome episode and an amazing season overall. That opening scene with the music was really well done and really set the scene for knowing something really big and bad was about to happen... and in one quick moment soo many characters are dead. Let's see... Kevan Lannister, The High Septon, Margery, Loras, Lancel. Also Pycelle killed outside of the explosion.

Then poor Tommen. Knew he was going to off himself with the way that scene was shot. Actually felt really bad for him in that moment.

Finally the end of Walder Frey. I thought his scene with Jamie was great and how Jamie called him out. As soon as they kept showing that one girl there, I knew that had to be Arya and that Walder was toast. Not only him, I guess his two baffoon sons as well were killed.

See ya Darrio, enjoy Mereen. Pretty big moment for Dany to leave him behind. If the story was longer, I'd say what are the chances he betrays her? But I kind of just see that as the end of the Mereen storyline, finally.

And we return to Dorne and it looks like the new alliance from the South will be the way of Dany and her Dragons into Kings Landing. Olenna made a smart move going down there for the alliance because that is obviously where the likely winner of the game of thrones is. I guess no shock for where Varys went, makes sense for him to go there.

In the North we see Jon become the new King of the North in a pretty awesome scene. Very similar feeling and chills from when Rob was named King of the North. The most interesting part was LF chilling in the back and the only one without a smile. He definitely had the look of thinking about how he needs to scheme things now since it didn't end the way he expected (marriage to Sansa and him being King of the North). He's definitely going to be getting his next season I think when he next makes a move behind the Starks back. Also, Lady Mormont is fucking awesome. I'm glad she has seemed to become a regular on the show now. Also the Manderlays finally!

While the flashback to the tower of Joy may have been a huge reveal, it was probably my least favorite scene of the episode. Just predictable since we all knew how it would play out. I'm also not sure the scene clearly made it known who the father was. It had been implied before in the show so I feel like everyone should know, but they didn't really say it or make it clear how important it was that Ned was taking that baby and making the promise. Either way, huge reveal finally.

And Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne. Looks like her, Gregor Clegane, and Qyburn will be ruling with no immediate threat after taking out all of her local threats in one swoop. Obviously she's going to get hers once Dany gets there, but for now she is safe on her throne it seems... and clearly psychotic. Jamie's look showed that he is clearly in disgust with her now.

Ugh a year of waiting...

I agree with all of this. I have a feeling that every episode here on out is going to be crazy.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 07:49:28 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 07:37:34 AM
Quote from: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 07:11:15 AM
The score has always been fantastic but this season was an absolute stud of a score. The opening piece in the finale is a thing of beauty and only one of the few piano driven pieces I can remember from the GOT score. It's called Light of the seven.
Our viewing party also remarked on how awesome the music was and how unusual that piano piece was for the show. It really elevated what was happening on screen. Outstanding.

I was thinking this as well, that music was very unique for the show. Very well done.

I think it's possible that was also my favorite season finale and my favorite season. Which would have beaten out season 4 and it's finale.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 27, 2016, 08:05:05 AM: Fantastic season finale, can't wait for season 7.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 08:57:35 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 07:37:34 AM
Quote from: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 07:11:15 AM
The score has always been fantastic but this season was an absolute stud of a score. The opening piece in the finale is a thing of beauty and only one of the few piano driven pieces I can remember from the GOT score. It's called Light of the seven.
Our viewing party also remarked on how awesome the music was and how unusual that piano piece was for the show. It really elevated what was happening on screen. Outstanding.

Agreed. I was thinking about how different the music was for those scenes and perfectly done. I'm still pissed Margaery is gone. Fuck Cersei.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 06:44:59 AM
I thought it was a fantastic fnale, chock full of "Holy shit" moments and setups for next season. It will be a long offseason.

Slightly off-topic: The episode opened with the tolling of the bell over King's Landing. My eldest daughter said "I keep waiting for the bass line for The Glass Prison to start." #ProudPapa

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Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 07:11:23 AM
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- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

I don't get the hate for the High Sparrow. Cersai, Margery and Loras were the ones that sinned and perjured and he's the bad guy?

He's just as power hungry as the rest of them and he hides it well under that calm humble priest disguise. Maybe it's the whole cult thing of theirs too but I'm just glad the head of that snake as been eliminated.

I don't agree with that. When we met him, he was scrubbing the feet of the poor. The faith militant took things to the extreme, but he was only doing what he felt was right due to his spiritual beliefs.... not for personal gain like so many others in this world.

I took it as mostly an act. Once Tommen became king, he saw a window for power and started exploiting it. He wrapped Tommen around his finger to seek power. Keeping his mother and wife away from Tommen was genius as they were two people that would have easily talked him out of listening to the High Sparrow. He bought himself plenty of time by locking the two of them away.

Agreed. I think he become a self-righteous prick once he saw how much power he could have. It was his way or else. I never liked him

Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 07:30:43 AM
Finally the end of Walder Frey. I thought his scene with Jamie was great and how Jamie called him out. As soon as they kept showing that one girl there, I knew that had to be Arya and that Walder was toast. Not only him, I guess his two baffoon sons as well were killed.

See ya Darrio, enjoy Mereen. Pretty big moment for Dany to leave him behind. If the story was longer, I'd say what are the chances he betrays her? But I kind of just see that as the end of the Mereen storyline, finally.

In the North we see Jon become the new King of the North in a pretty awesome scene. Very similar feeling and chills from when Rob was named King of the North. The most interesting part was LF chilling in the back and the only one without a smile. He definitely had the look of thinking about how he needs to scheme things now since it didn't end the way he expected (marriage to Sansa and him being King of the North). He's definitely going to be getting his next season I think when he next makes a move behind the Starks back. Also, Lady Mormont is fucking awesome. I'm glad she has seemed to become a regular on the show now. Also the Manderlays finally!

While the flashback to the tower of Joy may have been a huge reveal, it was probably my least favorite scene of the episode. Just predictable since we all knew how it would play out. I'm also not sure the scene clearly made it known who the father was. It had been implied before in the show so I feel like everyone should know, but they didn't really say it or make it clear how important it was that Ned was taking that baby and making the promise. Either way, huge reveal finally.

And Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne. Looks like her, Gregor Clegane, and Qyburn will be ruling with no immediate threat after taking out all of her local threats in one swoop. Obviously she's going to get hers once Dany gets there, but for now she is safe on her throne it seems... and clearly psychotic. Jamie's look showed that he is clearly in disgust with her now.

Agreed in regards to that servant being Arya. Walder's serving girls were all hideous, but that girl was beautiful. It was so obvious it was Arya. Frey Pies for all!

I was wondering myself if Daario would either betray her or find a way to Westeros regardless.

Jon knows not to trust Littlefinger so I'm sure he'll be cautious of that. I just hope Sansa doesn't keep anymore information from Jon again.

I think Jon will learn about his parentage early next year, hopefully from Bran. I think the people who were around at the time of Rhaegar and Lyanna, that knew how he favored her, probably know more than they let on.

Fuck Cersei for killing Margaery. I agree that Jaime will start to have doubts about his love for Cersei. Maybe he goes to help Brienne? I don't know.
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 09:10:50 AM: I'm calling it now. Brienne kills Cersei with Oath Keeper.
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Post by: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 09:20:07 AM: I was hoping they'd show the Brotherhood of banners with a special guest appearance but it's all good, for next season I think they'll definitely have little finger play more of the antagonist role with him openly stating his desire for the throne.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 27, 2016, 09:20:42 AM: ALSDKA DAT FINALE
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Post by: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 09:21:07 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

Why? People kept saying he's just another power hungry player and I didn't see that angle come to fruition, up to the moment he died he was only working on behalf of his conviction and for the sake of the seven.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 09:21:25 AM: I think that Jaime adds Queen Slayer and Sister Slayer to his list of nicknames. I think that Dany is about to win, so Cersai makes preparations to wildfire the whole kingdom, and Jaime does what he must. Tyrion will smooth things over with Dany so that Jaime is allowed to live.
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 09:23:33 AM: Can Daenerys survive wild fire like she does normal fire?
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 09:24:01 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

Why? People kept saying he's just another power hungry player and I didn't see that angle come to fruition, up to the moment he died he was only working on behalf of his conviction and for the sake of the seven.

This guy gets it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 09:35:02 AM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: orcus116 on June 27, 2016, 05:29:37 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

Why? People kept saying he's just another power hungry player and I didn't see that angle come to fruition, up to the moment he died he was only working on behalf of his conviction and for the sake of the seven.

This guy gets it.

The High Sparrow imprisoned, starved, and tortured Margaery because she tried to help her gay brother. If he was truly trying to be just, and honestly cared about who was sleeping with who, pretty much everyone in his dungeon would be doing the walk of shame. I don't think there was anyway he was only in this for the gods. It's no coincidence that the two members of the royal family were getting significantly harsher treatment than anyone else.
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Post by: Podaar on June 27, 2016, 09:40:08 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 09:10:50 AM
I'm calling it now. Brienne kills Cersei with Oath Keeper.

That would be awesome, but don't forget the Witches prophecy regarding Cersei. Thus...

Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 09:21:25 AM
I think that Jaime adds Queen Slayer and Sister Slayer to his list of nicknames. I think that Dany is about to win, so Cersai makes preparations to wildfire the whole kingdom, and Jaime does what he must. Tyrion will smooth things over with Dany so that Jaime is allowed to live.

I think there are decent odds that this is how it goes down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 09:41:27 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 09:21:07 AM
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Quote from: Progmetty on June 26, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
- High Sparrow :-\

Really? He was such a major prick I couldn't wait to see him offed. I wished his head would've been smashed in by The Mountain but what they did works.

Why? People kept saying he's just another power hungry player and I didn't see that angle come to fruition, up to the moment he died he was only working on behalf of his conviction and for the sake of the seven.

This guy gets it.

The High Sparrow imprisoned, starved, and tortured Margaery because she tried to help her gay brother. If he was truly trying to be just, and honestly cared about who was sleeping with who, pretty much everyone in his dungeon would be doing the walk of shame. I don't think there was anyway he was only in this for the gods. It's no coincidence that the two members of the royal family were getting significantly harsher treatment than anyone else.

He did those things because Margaery perjured before the Gods. He was going by the book, and by that book, she got what she deserved. Her crimes obviously weren't equal to Loras' or even Cersai's.

As for "anyone else" who knows what else was going on off camera. I highly doubt that we saw everyone getting theirs, only the characters pertinent to the story.

RIP High Sparrow.... you were one of the good ones.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 09:44:49 AM: ^ saved me typing a long post on the freakin cellphone keyboard haha
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Post by: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 09:48:03 AM: So a list of actors/characters purged this season, it's quite a freaking long list. And I for one didn't see any of the deaths coming except for maybe the High Sparrow. I had a sense Walder Frey might be up to something, didn't think it would be the other way round. So I'm guessing there's no more Essos in the story with Dany and gang out to sea.

Have a question for readers of Book 4 & 5. Is there more of the oldtown stuff for Sam in the books? I'm assuming all other story lines on the show are way ahead of the books or all caught up for good now.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 09:51:07 AM: Not a lot to add to the discussion because most of it has already been mentioned. The King of the North scene was great but I somehow felt this sense of impending doom....just immediately related it to Rob....hope Jon's story ends differently.

Arya and Varys must have a ton of frequent flyer miles.....jeez.....is Westeros the size of Manhattan?

Loved the look Jamie was giving Cersi. He's already turned against her....

I'm guessing the mountain has himself a sex doll?

Dany looks to be in a strong situation.....are those Dragons gonna get tired crossing the ocean?

Anyway, good season....can't wait for more.
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 09:51:13 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 09:48:03 AM
Have a question for readers of Book 4 & 5. Is there more of the oldtown stuff for Sam in the books? I'm assuming all other story lines on the show are way ahead of the books or all caught up for good now.

We'll definitely see something with Sam. I think. When he walked into the citadel, we last saw him staring at that giant gold thing that's in the intro. No clue what it could be, but I think it has some significance. Maybe it's some ancient weapon that harnesses the sun to stop the white walkers or something. He's supposed to be studying to help/tell Jon Snow defeat the white walkers. Maybe Sam ends up being the hero.

This thing
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/4kr3r.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 09:55:52 AM: I can't believe some people think the High Sparrow was a good guy.

He seemingly had good intentions in the beginning but it was quite clear he was just power hungry and another person playing the Game of Thrones. His own demise was just not realizing how low Cersei would go to keep her own power.

Quote from: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 09:48:03 AM
Have a question for readers of Book 4 & 5. Is there more of the oldtown stuff for Sam in the books? I'm assuming all other story lines on the show are way ahead of the books or all caught up for good now.

Not for Sam his story is caught up now. There is another storyline that occurs in Oldtown in the books that seemed to be setting up for something in the future. Other than some of the prologue/epilogue stuff in the books (one of which is the oldtown scene I am referring to) the books have been pretty much completely covered by the show now or are further along than the books (most plotlines are).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 09:59:12 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 09:51:13 AM
Quote from: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 09:48:03 AM
Have a question for readers of Book 4 & 5. Is there more of the oldtown stuff for Sam in the books? I'm assuming all other story lines on the show are way ahead of the books or all caught up for good now.

We'll definitely see something with Sam.

I know in the show his role will go progress further, I was asking if the book story line for Sam is on par with the show or ahead.

Edit: Thanks cramx3, exactly what I was asking.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 27, 2016, 10:17:13 AM: Massive lol at people considering the High Sparrow anything other than a manipulative, powerhungry and brutal man like everyone else in King's Landing. Rather than riches or family name, his cloak was religion, and its devotees his army. To overlook the way he controlled the royalty this season as acts justified by some inherently good religious creed is to willfully turn a blind eye at reality.

Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 09:21:25 AM

I think that Jaime adds Queen Slayer and Sister Slayer to his list of nicknames. I think that Dany is about to win, so Cersai makes preparations to wildfire the whole kingdom, and Jaime does what he must. Tyrion will smooth things over with Dany so that Jaime is allowed to live.

The Valonqar part of the prophecy was left out of the show. I agree it seems to be setting Jamie up for killing Cersei but there is no prophetic requirement he or any brother kill her, so this openness may make for a useful shock moment when we all expect it to be Jamie's redemption. Hell, I'm sure the Brienne prediction will happen and then Jamie kills Brienne – that's how bad they've undone his book arc! Totally different guy.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 10:21:01 AM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 27, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
Massive lol at people considering the High Sparrow anything other than a manipulative, powerhungry and brutal man like everyone else in King's Landing. Rather than riches or family name, his cloak was religion, and its devotees his army. To overlook the way he controlled the royalty this season as acts justified by some inherently good religious creed is to willfully turn a blind eye at reality.

Agreeing to disagree, without the "massive lol".
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Post by: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 10:31:01 AM: Absolutely amazing episode.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 10:48:45 AM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 27, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
Massive lol at people considering the High Sparrow anything other than a manipulative, powerhungry and brutal man like everyone else in King's Landing. Rather than riches or family name, his cloak was religion, and its devotees his army. To overlook the way he controlled the royalty this season as acts justified by some inherently good religious creed is to willfully turn a blind eye at reality.

Agreeing to disagree, without the "massive lol".

He was content taking care of the poor until Cersei gave him a little power. After that, he ran wild with it, letting it take over him. He isn't as modest as you think. It's why religion needs to stay out of politics. It's like saying only one religion has the right idea about things and forcing everyone to live by its rules. He only went after certain people, people with power, to help consolidate his own.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 27, 2016, 11:04:27 AM: I still have chills. My heart is still racing

mother of god. This show has reached god tier status. That was so incredible.

1. Even though, it ultimately will come back to bite her in the ass, I am so happy that cersei took care of business.

2. The second Tommen removed the crown, I knew he was going out the window. His place was never on the iron throne.

3. Arya is batman. Exactly what I want :metal

4. I guess Dany is john's aunt? Very interesting, since I kind of thought they would have a marriage and share the throne, but who knows. Part of me wonders if R + L were legit in love and just ran away together, and robert started a massive war under false pretense, which I can't blame him. I would have done the same thing if the person I loved was supposedly stolen away.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 11:10:48 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 27, 2016, 11:04:27 AM
4. I guess Dany is john's aunt? Very interesting, since I kind of thought they would have a marriage and share the throne, but who knows. Part of me wonders if R + L were legit in love and just ran away together, and robert started a massive war under false pretense, which I can't blame him. I would have done the same thing if the person I loved was supposedly stolen away.

It is very much believed the Robert likely started a war not because Lyanna was raped and murdered, but because she and Rheagar were in love together.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 11:37:21 AM: I don't think we've ever had this many epic moments in a single episode before.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 11:48:18 AM: BTW, it pretty much clarified who Jon Snow's mother was.

But did it actually spell out who his father was? I know that Lyanna whispered something to Ned, but I couldn't make it out.
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Post by: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 12:10:36 PM: I just rewatched that scene and it sounds like she whispers "His name is Jonathan..if Robert finds out he'll kill him, you know he will, you have to protect him, promise me Ned, promise me x3"
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:15:25 PM: Wait. That means Dany and John are related somehow? Cousins? Does this also mean Jon has her blood and can withstand fire and control dragons?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:15:36 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 11:48:18 AM
BTW, it pretty much clarified who Jon Snow's mother was.

But did it actually spell out who his father was? I know that Lyanna whispered something to Ned, but I couldn't make it out.

Yea, they did not confirm who the father was. In After the Thrones they were saying a possible twist to that would be the father could be The Mad King, but I think we can all be pretty sure of who the father actually is.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:17:20 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Wait. That means Dany and John are related somehow? Cousins? Does this also mean Jon has her blood and can withstand fire and control dragons?

Yea, they are likely related. Also, it seems unlikely he would have the same powers as Dany. Remember, Dany's own brother Viserys did not even have that power yet he always talked about having the blood of the dragon. I guess it is possible though (unless Jon got burnt at some point, I don't recall)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:25:43 PM: Quote from: faizoff on June 27, 2016, 12:10:36 PM
I just rewatched that scene and it sounds like she whispers "His name is Jonathan..if Robert finds out he'll kill him, you know he will, you have to protect him, promise me Ned, promise me x3"

Yep

Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Wait. That means Dany and John are related somehow? Cousins?

they are related for sure....

Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:15:36 PM
but I think we can all be pretty sure of who the father actually is.

there will be no twist. the love story between Rayghar and Illyanna has been 'documented' by a couple characters now....it's his kid.
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Wait. That means Dany and John are related somehow? Cousins? Does this also mean Jon has her blood and can withstand fire and control dragons?

Yea, they are likely related. Also, it seems unlikely he would have the same powers as Dany. Remember, Dany's own brother Viserys did not even have that power yet he always talked about having the blood of the dragon. I guess it is possible though (unless Jon got burnt at some point, I don't recall)

I can't recall him getting burned at any point. I'm wondering if he does have something special in his blood though. I mean, he did come back from the dead. I get that the red haired lady did her thing, but still.

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:32:25 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:25:43 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:15:36 PM
but I think we can all be pretty sure of who the father actually is.

there will be no twist. the love story between Rayghar and Illyanna has been 'documented' by a couple characters now....it's his kid.

I don't think there will be a twist either, just was saying that since I guess it is technically a possibility. There is also the possibility/fan theory of Tyrion being a Targ with the Mad King being his father as well.

Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Wait. That means Dany and John are related somehow? Cousins? Does this also mean Jon has her blood and can withstand fire and control dragons?

Yea, they are likely related. Also, it seems unlikely he would have the same powers as Dany. Remember, Dany's own brother Viserys did not even have that power yet he always talked about having the blood of the dragon. I guess it is possible though (unless Jon got burnt at some point, I don't recall)

I can't recall him getting burned at any point. I'm wondering if he does have something special in his blood though. I mean, he did come back from the dead. I get that the red haired lady did her thing, but still.

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?

I could definitely see an ice dragon being possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:32:30 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?

Interesting thought? Really interesting....I mean, they have 'dead' horses....why not Dragons?
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Post by: Implode on June 27, 2016, 12:33:26 PM: I meant to post this a long time ago, but I forgot.

Does anyone else think that Blackfish looked like Nefaryus?
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:34:41 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?

Interesting thought? Really interesting....I mean, they have 'dead' horses....why not Dragons?

They have no air attack/defense right now, and an ice breathing dragon fighting a fire breathing dragon would be epic as all hell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:35:40 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:32:25 PM
I don't think there will be a twist either, just was saying that since I guess it is technically a possibility. There is also the possibility/fan theory of Tyrion being a Targ with the Mad King being his father as well.

yeah...I didn't read it as you really believing they'd try that twist....only that it's GOT and they could easily throw that in there to mess with us. But it just seems they've already put the effort in and laid the groundwork for the whole R=J=J deal.

I'd not rule out the Tyrion being a Targ theory just yet either. Could easily have been the source of the intense hatred Tywin had for him...plus, Tyrion did have a unique encounter with the two dragons that would have ended with most other folks being eaten or killed.....they responded to him in an interesting fashion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 12:36:21 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Wait. That means Dany and John are related somehow? Cousins?

It means she's his aunt, there's no reason to believe his father is someone other than Rhaegar Targaryen unless they're going for an unnecessary Shyamalan twist, a twist for the sake of the twist.

Quote from: Genowyn on June 26, 2016, 08:26:37 PM
Who even is Rhaegar Targaryen?

He's my favorite pre-story character and up there with my favorite overall characters of A Song Of Ice & Fire, just by the stories told about him through people like Ser Barristan Selmy.

I'm really unhappy with Cersei back as the central human villain, she's just not an enjoyable villain and I really thought we were done with that, the whole "scorned vengeful woman" theme gets old instantly for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:37:32 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?

Interesting thought? Really interesting....I mean, they have 'dead' horses....why not Dragons?

They have no air attack/defense right now, and an ice breathing dragon fighting a fire breathing dragon would be epic as all hell.

one of the many off the wall fan theories I read was that there already is an 'ice' dragon.....in the Wall itself which Jon would 'find' and have 'control' over since he is a Targaryn and all. It's highly doubtful, but....I like your angle better.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 12:41:16 PM: I agree that Rhaegar is the most likely candidate for Jon's father.

But remember, when Benioff and Weiss got the rights to do the show from Martin, the question they answered correctly from him that sealed the deal was "Who is Jon Snow's mother?", not "Who are Jon Snow's parents?"

I'm just sayin'.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:45:37 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 12:41:16 PM
But remember, when Benioff and Weiss got the rights to do the show from Martin, the question they answered correctly from him that sealed the deal was "Who is Jon Snow's mother?", not "Who are Jon Snow's parents?"

Wait...what? He quizzed them prior to consent? I've never heard that story?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:46:25 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?

Interesting thought? Really interesting....I mean, they have 'dead' horses....why not Dragons?

They have no air attack/defense right now, and an ice breathing dragon fighting a fire breathing dragon would be epic as all hell.

one of the many off the wall fan theories I read was that there already is an 'ice' dragon.....in the Wall itself which Jon would 'find' and have 'control' over since he is a Targaryn and all. It's highly doubtful, but....I like your angle better.

But wasn't the wall built for the sole purpose of keeping the white walkers out? What good would an ice dragon do against them?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:48:41 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?

Interesting thought? Really interesting....I mean, they have 'dead' horses....why not Dragons?

They have no air attack/defense right now, and an ice breathing dragon fighting a fire breathing dragon would be epic as all hell.

one of the many off the wall fan theories I read was that there already is an 'ice' dragon.....in the Wall itself which Jon would 'find' and have 'control' over since he is a Targaryn and all. It's highly doubtful, but....I like your angle better.

But wasn't the wall built for the sole purpose of keeping the white walkers out? What good would an ice dragon do against them?

I have no idea. Like I said....it was a click bait Fan theory that suggested within the Wall and the magic of the wall was an ice dragon that would be Jon's to control vs the White Walkers? Maybe it projects Fully Crystalized dragon glass instead of fire?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:50:52 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:35:40 PM
But it just seems they've already put the effort in and laid the groundwork for the whole R=J=J deal.

Not just in the show, but so heavily in the books as well which is why any twist of that would be pretty radical. Just like Jon actually dying would have been against everything we have seen from the story building in the show/books. But it does make me wonder why the show left this out? I'd guess just so people are having this conversation while the show is off air.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:51:01 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:48:41 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?

Interesting thought? Really interesting....I mean, they have 'dead' horses....why not Dragons?

They have no air attack/defense right now, and an ice breathing dragon fighting a fire breathing dragon would be epic as all hell.

one of the many off the wall fan theories I read was that there already is an 'ice' dragon.....in the Wall itself which Jon would 'find' and have 'control' over since he is a Targaryn and all. It's highly doubtful, but....I like your angle better.

But wasn't the wall built for the sole purpose of keeping the white walkers out? What good would an ice dragon do against them?

I have no idea. Like I said....it was a click bait Fan theory that suggested within the Wall and the magic of the wall was an ice dragon that would be Jon's to control vs the White Walkers? Maybe it projects Fully Crystalized dragon glass instead of fire?

Not sure about that as the dragon glass is more or less obsydian. My girlfriends said something last night about a mythical horn that is supposed to, if blown, completely destroy the wall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 01:01:28 PM: There are two powerful horns in the book that were not included in the show
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 01:05:24 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:35:40 PM
But it just seems they've already put the effort in and laid the groundwork for the whole R=J=J deal.

Not just in the show, but so heavily in the books as well which is why any twist of that would be pretty radical. Just like Jon actually dying would have been against everything we have seen from the story building in the show/books. But it does make me wonder why the show left this out? I'd guess just so people are having this conversation while the show is off air.

Yep. I mean, they specifically dialed back the audio when she said who's kid it was....then said his name is Jonathan. If it were Robert's son....why would she fear for Jon's life? And it'd make no sense at all for it to be the Mad Kings son as far as the groundwork they've laid. I guess they could say the Mad King raped her or something....make Jon and Dany siblings....but that gets messy.

Like you said....they kept it cloudy so we'd talk about it for a few months.

And, I don't think it'll be Bran who reveals to Jon his true lineage.....I think it'll be Sam after he discovers it in that awesome library. Sam will then head out to tell Jon with his Valarian Steel Sword in tow.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 27, 2016, 01:05:43 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 11:48:18 AM
BTW, it pretty much clarified who Jon Snow's mother was.

But did it actually spell out who his father was? I know that Lyanna whispered something to Ned, but I couldn't make it out.

Hell no it didn't. And that's why I found it to be a waste of time, really; by this point in the show, it's really quite irrelevant that Ned was such a good guy he called Jon his own bastard to protect Lyanna. We already knew he was the bestest guy and Jon is half Stark. The important point that needed distinguishing was the other half of his lineage, which was... ignored. Totally. The whole scene could easily have been shown in full earlier in the season without causing any changes to the course of the show and the pacing (save that earlier episode running longer).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 01:06:51 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:48:41 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:26:18 PM

Something that has me curious... If the White Walkers manage to kill one of Dany's dragons, does it rise again to fight for them? Will it breathe ice instead of fire?

Interesting thought? Really interesting....I mean, they have 'dead' horses....why not Dragons?

They have no air attack/defense right now, and an ice breathing dragon fighting a fire breathing dragon would be epic as all hell.

one of the many off the wall fan theories I read was that there already is an 'ice' dragon.....in the Wall itself which Jon would 'find' and have 'control' over since he is a Targaryn and all. It's highly doubtful, but....I like your angle better.

But wasn't the wall built for the sole purpose of keeping the white walkers out? What good would an ice dragon do against them?

I have no idea. Like I said....it was a click bait Fan theory that suggested within the Wall and the magic of the wall was an ice dragon that would be Jon's to control vs the White Walkers? Maybe it projects Fully Crystalized dragon glass instead of fire?

Not sure about that as the dragon glass is more or less obsydian. My girlfriends said something last night about a mythical horn that is supposed to, if blown, completely destroy the wall.

You sure she wasn't reading Joshua 6:1-27 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 01:26:15 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Wait. That means Dany and John are related somehow? Cousins? Does this also mean Jon has her blood and can withstand fire and control dragons?

Yea, they are likely related. Also, it seems unlikely he would have the same powers as Dany. Remember, Dany's own brother Viserys did not even have that power yet he always talked about having the blood of the dragon. I guess it is possible though (unless Jon got burnt at some point, I don't recall)

Of course he did. First book. When he kills the wight to save Lord Commander Mormont, he grasps the lantern and burns his hand.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 01:39:12 PM: Yeah, Jon is not immune to fire. It's a pretty big deal that he gets his hand burned. He's develops a habbit to flex it because of it and it is present through all of the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 01:42:47 PM: On my second watch I noticed some of the ships in the armada had the Sunspear sigil, so they really have completely skipped over the negotiation phase between Ellaria Sand and Daenerys, which I would have liked to see, just because the show used to give us all these little details to enjoy the acting and the dialogue, I know we saw Varys there and we know he did the talking but I thought it was just so they'd support the Daenerys claim or join the war when she arrives, not send a fleet and join the invasion itself! As awesome as that season was it seemed to have taken a different tone that the previous seasons in terms of how they tell the story and the tone is "let's race full throttle towards the end" and they couldn't have possible been going any faster. I'm not sure whether or not the pressure if money related cause the show is still generating revenue and high ratings but it could explain the ridiculous massive cast reduction we've seen this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 01:47:18 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Wait. That means Dany and John are related somehow? Cousins? Does this also mean Jon has her blood and can withstand fire and control dragons?

Yea, they are likely related. Also, it seems unlikely he would have the same powers as Dany. Remember, Dany's own brother Viserys did not even have that power yet he always talked about having the blood of the dragon. I guess it is possible though (unless Jon got burnt at some point, I don't recall)

Of course he did. First book. When he kills the wight to save Lord Commander Mormont, he grasps the lantern and burns his hand.

Quote from: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 01:39:12 PM
Yeah, Jon is not immune to fire. It's a pretty big deal that he gets his hand burned. He's develops a habbit to flex it because of it and it is present through all of the books.

Yes, I definitely forgot that and you are right about him always flexing in the books because of it.

Quote from: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 01:42:47 PM
On my second watch I noticed some of the ships in the armada had the Sunspear sigil, so they really have completely skipped over the negotiation phase between Ellaria Sand and Daenerys, which I would have liked to see, just because the show used to give us all these little details to enjoy the acting and the dialogue, I know we saw Varys there and we know he did the talking but I thought it was just so they'd support the Daenerys claim or join the war when she arrives, not send a fleet and join the invasion itself! As awesome as that season was it seemed to have taken a different tone that the previous seasons in terms of how they tell the story and the tone is "let's race full throttle towards the end" and they couldn't have possible been going any faster. I'm not sure whether or not the pressure if money related cause the show is still generating revenue and high ratings but it could explain the ridiculous massive cast reduction we've seen this season.

Agreed, the pace is so much quicker now that it definitely has a different feel than the previous seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 27, 2016, 01:56:45 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 27, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
an ice breathing dragon fighting a fire breathing dragon would be epic as all hell.
Hellyeah man! (https://70000tons.com/forum/images/smilies/xdeathmetal.gif)

https://youtu.be/T-Mr6cGR2Gc?t=1m52s
:biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on June 27, 2016, 01:59:46 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 01:39:12 PM
Yeah, Jon is not immune to fire. It's a pretty big deal that he gets his hand burned. He's develops a habbit to flex it because of it and it is present through all of the books.
Not particularly relevant as Dany is not immune to fire in the books either.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 02:06:31 PM: Yeah, no kidding on the cast reduction. In previous seasons, the amount of notable deaths have been 15 at most. This season it was more than 40.

Quote from: ariich on June 27, 2016, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 01:39:12 PM
Yeah, Jon is not immune to fire. It's a pretty big deal that he gets his hand burned. He's develops a habbit to flex it because of it and it is present through all of the books.
Not particularly relevant as Dany is not immune to fire in the books either.

Okay then, Jon yelled "AH" as he grabbed the lantern and burned his hand in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on June 27, 2016, 02:11:57 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: ariich on June 27, 2016, 01:59:46 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on June 27, 2016, 01:39:12 PM
Yeah, Jon is not immune to fire. It's a pretty big deal that he gets his hand burned. He's develops a habbit to flex it because of it and it is present through all of the books.
Not particularly relevant as Dany is not immune to fire in the books either.

Okay then, Jon yelled "AH" as he grabbed the lantern and burned his hand in the show.
More relevant. :tup I don't recall that, but I believe you.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 02:13:07 PM: Also....Jon Snow fell in love with a woman with a 'fire crotch'.....so....there's that.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 02:14:48 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 02:13:07 PM
Also....Jon Snow fell in love with a woman with a 'fire crotch'.....so....there's that.....

:rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 02:15:31 PM: The only notable character development they've done this season, at least the only one that felt solid, was that of Jaimie Lannister, his conversations with Brienne Tarth, Edmure Tully, the Blackfish deal and finally Walder Frey were all strongly building towards him changing again, he's the roundest character of the series IMO, when he was talking to Walder Frey and Frey said something about them being similar to one another, you could see it on Jaimie's face as he's coming to grips with the thought "Am I.. am I be a piece of shit?" :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 02:18:24 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
The only notable character development they've done this season, at least the only one that felt solid, was that of Jaimie Lannister, his conversations with Brienne Tarth, Edmure Tully, the Blackfish deal and finally Walder Frey were all strongly building towards him changing again, he's the roundest character of the series IMO, when he was talking to Walder Frey and Frey said something about them being similar to one another, you could see it on Jaimie's face as he's coming to grips with the thought "Am I.. am I be a piece of shit?" :lol

That scene with Jamie and Walder was awesome on so many levels.

I would say Sansa's character grew quite a bit this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 02:29:06 PM: There are 13 episodes left, as far as we know, so I think we're going to have some major deaths next season. I don't mean Margaery and Loras. I mean someone like Cersei.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2016, 02:30:04 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
There are 13 episodes left, as far as we know,

Has any 'official' total been released as far as how many more episodes they are going to shoot?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 02:32:40 PM: It has been confirmed that there will be seven next season. As far as I know, there are supposed to be six in season eight though I'm not sure if that was confirmed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 02:38:10 PM: I'm hoping it's not true or they change their minds, if there's only 13 episodes left then halfass-ment is enviable no matter how masterful they get with it.
I think if they make two more seasons, at 10 episodes each, it would work out only if they continue on the rapid pace of story we've seen this season and I won't be completely satisfied with that but it could be decent enough.
Perfect case is 10 seasons, normal 10 episodes seasons, to really allow for character development and conflicts to cook and make sense the way they used to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 02:45:13 PM: With the mass killing of characters this season, a shortened season may not mean it will be faster paced that last one. Could mean more time to focus on the characters still alive. Just speculation though. I expect the pace to be just as quick as last episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 27, 2016, 02:49:40 PM: The High Sparrow was an ass.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 02:54:09 PM: :lol Yes
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 03:22:50 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on June 26, 2016, 08:15:22 PM
I understand the need to wrap some things up and set them up for next season but they should've swapped the last two sequences. Cersei sitting on the throne is way more powerful of an ending.

Absolutely agree. I was actually prepared for Cersei's scene to be the last of the season. Dany got enough season finales, Cersei's "yo bitches, you spent 6 years thinking of Dany has a queen, GUESS WHAT" would have been the best way to wrap it up since there were no White Walkers.

Quote from: Tyrias on June 27, 2016, 05:48:08 AM
Can we please talk about that amazing music for the King's Landing scenes? I mean seriously, that music made some great scenes absolutely perfect.

It was wonderful and breathtaking. The best music / scene combination of the entire series, I'd daresay. Stunning work!!!!

And for the first time in the series, I somehow rooted for Cersei. I really hate that bitch and her smug face (Stunning work from Lena Headey really, I guess whenever I'll see her somewhere else I'll always expect her character to be an hateful and spiteful woman), but I couldn't help admiring how back against the wall she literally turned King Landing over itself.

Olenna Tyrell owning the Sand Snakes was priceless. The saving grace of Dorne's scenes, and just because of her presence.

I agree it's a bit weird to finally learn that Lyanna is Jon's mother but not her father, but to be fair... it was obvious who the father was. Lyanna in her dying moments didn't need to spell it out to Ned.

Winter has come. Fucking finally. Dany brings her butt to Westeros. Fucking finally. Really, the end is nigh ;D

I didn't realize Arya was the girl until she and Walder were alone in the room. Good riddance to the Freys, the Starks send their regards. I'll forgive how Arya and Varys have a teletransporter that flies them through Westeros in no time.

Really, the only letdown of a massively epic episode is that the scene in Mereen didn't open with Dany and Yara in bed together. You know you all wanted it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2016, 03:31:30 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 03:22:50 PM
Really, the only letdown of a massively epic episode is that the scene in Mereen didn't open with Dany and Yara in bed together. You know you all wanted it.

I could totally see that happening in the books though, if those two actually meet in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 03:36:42 PM: I forgot to comment on the dearly departed royal couple.

Tommen... what a wuss. Ok, I get it, she was hot and you had sex, but really? kill yourself over it?

He should have died in the explosion somehow. Slip past the Mountain, get away someway else, he should have been the flaw in Cersei's otherwise perfect plan, it would have been more fitting.

And Margaery... ok, she was smart and she realized something was wrong, but to panic and call for an immediate evacuation like Cersei would, dunno, blow up the entire place which is exactly what she did thanks to something only Tyrion knew about??? really, she was alone and confined in her rooms, what made Margaery come to the only possible solution?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: adace on June 27, 2016, 05:11:11 PM: Incredible ending to what is my favorite season so far. Like everyone else I absolutely can't wait until season 7!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 27, 2016, 05:49:44 PM: Funny how the show starts with jaime pushing a kid out a window, starting a long succession of events that would lead to another kid going out the window, his son.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 06:04:10 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 03:36:42 PM

And Margaery... ok, she was smart and she realized something was wrong, but to panic and call for an immediate evacuation like Cersei would, dunno, blow up the entire place which is exactly what she did thanks to something only Tyrion knew about??? really, she was alone and confined in her rooms, what made Margaery come to the only possible solution?

I think it was obvious to her that something was up when she and Tommen didn't show up. Cersei would definitely skip out on her trial to do something. That probably didn't surprise her as much as Tommen missing it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on June 27, 2016, 06:12:41 PM: Margaery was evil and conniving as Cersei. She knew something bad was about to happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 07:17:52 PM: Quote from: kingshmegland on June 27, 2016, 06:12:41 PM
Margaery was evil and conniving as Cersei. She knew something bad was about to happen.

Evil and conniving AS Cersei? I wouldn't go that far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on June 27, 2016, 07:20:57 PM: Right but evil in any level knows evil. Come on John, you know she put that together since that's how she thinks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on June 27, 2016, 07:21:25 PM: Quote from: kingshmegland on June 27, 2016, 06:12:41 PM
Margaery was evil and conniving as Cersei. She knew something bad was about to happen.

Conniving? Sure. But evil? Eh. I wouldn't call her a good person, but she was nowhere near as evil as Cersei. Proof? Margaery reacted to the religion thing by playing along with a plot to undermine them later. Cersei blew them up and killed hundreds or possibly thousands of innocent people.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on June 27, 2016, 07:29:15 PM: Guys evil can mean something else than murder. She's not afraid the level of Cersei but she thinks that was on a smaller level and that is evil
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 07:32:40 PM: Quote from: kingshmegland on June 27, 2016, 07:20:57 PM
Right but evil in any level knows evil. Come on John, you know she put that together since that's how she thinks.

Understanding evil isn't the same as being evil. She blew up and killed how many innocent people? Do you think Margaery would use wildfire and kill tons of innocent people just to avoid judgment? Would Margaery coax her lover/brother to push an innocent boy out a window? I'm not saying Margaery is a girl scout, but there's definitely a distance between her and Cersei.
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 27, 2016, 07:41:39 PM: You don't think Cersei was on that path that like her? I do, she is evil, just not at the level of evil of Cersei. I onto see nothing wrong with that statement. There are always levels to good and bad.

Some are willing to manipulate and some are willing to kill.
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Post by: chknptpie on June 27, 2016, 08:22:25 PM: This post is absolutely every thought that ran through my head... but also contains something that I didn't catch on the first watch relating to Jon Snow's birth!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuenschwander/81-thoughts-i-had-during-the-game-of-thrones-finale-includin?bffbmain&utm_term=.bbq77Px7p2#.pfBYYveY4J
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Post by: Adami on June 27, 2016, 08:58:26 PM: Quote from: kingshmegland on June 27, 2016, 07:41:39 PM
You don't think Cersei was on that path that like her? I do, she is evil, just not at the level of evil of Cersei. I onto see nothing wrong with that statement. There are always levels to good and bad.

Some are willing to manipulate and some are willing to kill.

I think with Margaery there was more implied evil. Like, only an evil person would pretend to be so kind, and what not, plus the usual conniving that everyone did. With Cersei, there's just no room for doubt that she is an awful human being with no redeeming values. So yes, I would definitely argue against Margaery being deemed evil like Cersei.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 27, 2016, 09:21:43 PM: Quote from: kingshmegland on June 27, 2016, 07:41:39 PM
Some are willing to manipulate and some are willing to kill.

I think that sums up the Margaery/Cersei argument.
I would also add that Margaery wouldn't have done with Septon Unella what Cersei has done.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 28, 2016, 12:29:50 AM: Cersei was already way past caring and with Tommen now dead, God help us all.....
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 04:05:25 AM: After the war of the Five Kings, could we be getting symbolically the war of the Five Queens?

Cersei, Dany, Sansa, Olenna and whatshername, Oberyn's widow. Sure, Jon was acclaimed King in the North, not Sansa, but more or less we have women in key roles in the ultimate showdown.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 28, 2016, 04:46:12 AM: Definetely heading that way. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended with the ' Sausage Wedding' where all remaining male characters are killed off (except for Theon, off course, since he doesn't have a willy).
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Post by: Chino on June 28, 2016, 06:37:11 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 07:32:40 PM
Quote from: kingshmegland on June 27, 2016, 07:20:57 PM
Right but evil in any level knows evil. Come on John, you know she put that together since that's how she thinks.

Understanding evil isn't the same as being evil. She blew up and killed how many innocent people? Do you think Margaery would use wildfire and kill tons of innocent people just to avoid judgment? Would Margaery coax her lover/brother to push an innocent boy out a window? I'm not saying Margaery is a girl scout, but there's definitely a distance between her and Cersei.

I think, if given more time, Margaery would have gotten a lot darker and more evil. Maybe not to the point of Cersei, but she was no flower either.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 06:44:47 AM: I never really felt like Margaery was evil. She wasn't the nice lady that she portrayed herself to be, she admitted so to the High Sparrow (and I don't think that was really a lie). But that in no means means that she is evil. She also was not involved in Joffrey's killing. I can't think of anything she has done that would lead someone to say she was evil. She was cunning and smart and played the game, but that doesn't translate to evil to me.

And if it wasn't for the sparrows holding her back, she might have survived the explosion because she was smart enough to know something was going on.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 28, 2016, 06:48:02 AM: Quote from: chknptpie on June 27, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
This post is absolutely every thought that ran through my head... but also contains something that I didn't catch on the first watch relating to Jon Snow's birth!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuenschwander/81-thoughts-i-had-during-the-game-of-thrones-finale-includin?bffbmain&utm_term=.bbq77Px7p2#.pfBYYveY4J

That was very entertaining. I almost spit my drink out at this:

50. Wait.
51. WAIT.
52. Walder Frey just said, “You’re not one of mine, are you?”
53. IS ARYA HERE?!?!?!?!?!?!
54. DID SHE FUCKING BAKE HIS SONS IN A PIE?
55. She did. She Cartman’d him.
56. Hot fucking damn.
57. Arya.
58. That was INTENSE.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 06:49:20 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 28, 2016, 06:48:02 AM
55. She did. She Cartman’d him.

Scott Tenorman!! :rollin
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2016, 06:54:50 AM: Margaery wasn't evil. She just knew how to play the Game better than most of the other "good guys". She had a good teacher in Olenna.
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Post by: Chino on June 28, 2016, 06:55:34 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 06:49:20 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on June 28, 2016, 06:48:02 AM
55. She did. She Cartman’d him.

Scott Tenorman!! :rollin

Awwww. Your tears are so yummy and sweet!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: FracturedMirror on June 28, 2016, 06:56:05 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 27, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
Massive lol at people considering the High Sparrow anything other than a manipulative, powerhungry and brutal man like everyone else in King's Landing. Rather than riches or family name, his cloak was religion, and its devotees his army. To overlook the way he controlled the royalty this season as acts justified by some inherently good religious creed is to willfully turn a blind eye at reality.

Agreeing to disagree, without the "massive lol".

He was content taking care of the poor until Cersei gave him a little power. After that, he ran wild with it, letting it take over him. He isn't as modest as you think. It's why religion needs to stay out of politics. It's like saying only one religion has the right idea about things and forcing everyone to live by its rules. He only went after certain people, people with power, to help consolidate his own.

I wouldn't say the Sparrow "ran wild" with power. He was actually really fair with everything he did. The problems were all Cersei: she gave him power because she wanted to manipulate him and use him, and his followers, to punish her enemies thinking herself above the rest. When she was held to the same standards then the faith became her enemies as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 07:01:59 AM: Quote from: FracturedMirror on June 28, 2016, 06:56:05 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 27, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
Massive lol at people considering the High Sparrow anything other than a manipulative, powerhungry and brutal man like everyone else in King's Landing. Rather than riches or family name, his cloak was religion, and its devotees his army. To overlook the way he controlled the royalty this season as acts justified by some inherently good religious creed is to willfully turn a blind eye at reality.

Agreeing to disagree, without the "massive lol".

He was content taking care of the poor until Cersei gave him a little power. After that, he ran wild with it, letting it take over him. He isn't as modest as you think. It's why religion needs to stay out of politics. It's like saying only one religion has the right idea about things and forcing everyone to live by its rules. He only went after certain people, people with power, to help consolidate his own.

I wouldn't say the Sparrow "ran wild" with power. He was actually really fair with everything he did. The problems were all Cersei: she gave him power because she wanted to manipulate him and use him, and his followers, to punish her enemies thinking herself above the rest. When she was held to the same standards then the faith became her enemies as well.

Running amuck in kings landing and beating everyone that may have sinned is fair? Remember that first episode he got power and destroyed LF's brothel and pretty much went through destroying anything that was considered bad in King's Landing. That is what you call fair? He used his power to his advantage and continued to work to gain more power. His followers were more closely related to a gang of thugs than a group of religious followers.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2016, 07:58:13 AM: BTW, Miguel Sapochnik deserves some kind of directing award. Especially for a show that has normally been a standout for its acting performances, writing, or effects, the last two episodes had some absolutely stunning sequences, the credit for which falls mainly on the director. Bravo.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 28, 2016, 09:01:10 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 07:01:59 AM
Quote from: FracturedMirror on June 28, 2016, 06:56:05 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 27, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
Massive lol at people considering the High Sparrow anything other than a manipulative, powerhungry and brutal man like everyone else in King's Landing. Rather than riches or family name, his cloak was religion, and its devotees his army. To overlook the way he controlled the royalty this season as acts justified by some inherently good religious creed is to willfully turn a blind eye at reality.

Agreeing to disagree, without the "massive lol".

He was content taking care of the poor until Cersei gave him a little power. After that, he ran wild with it, letting it take over him. He isn't as modest as you think. It's why religion needs to stay out of politics. It's like saying only one religion has the right idea about things and forcing everyone to live by its rules. He only went after certain people, people with power, to help consolidate his own.

I wouldn't say the Sparrow "ran wild" with power. He was actually really fair with everything he did. The problems were all Cersei: she gave him power because she wanted to manipulate him and use him, and his followers, to punish her enemies thinking herself above the rest. When she was held to the same standards then the faith became her enemies as well.

Running amuck in kings landing and beating everyone that may have sinned is fair? Remember that first episode he got power and destroyed LF's brothel and pretty much went through destroying anything that was considered bad in King's Landing. That is what you call fair? He used his power to his advantage and continued to work to gain more power. His followers were more closely related to a gang of thugs than a group of religious followers.

Exactly. At best, you can only say the High Sparrow thought he was doing what was right and fair and just. I think that's accurate. But brutally punishing people at will, nearly all of which were determined guilty without trial, is evil, and an abuse of power.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on June 28, 2016, 09:13:47 AM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 28, 2016, 09:01:10 AM

Exactly. At best, you can only say the High Sparrow thought he was doing what was right and fair and just. I think that's accurate. But brutally punishing people at will, nearly all of which were determined guilty without trial, is evil, and an abuse of power.

Yeah, I'm sure the Spanish Inquisition thought they were doing the right thing, too.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 09:47:47 AM: Yeah, no sympathy for the High Sparrow from me either. At best, he was a fanatic thinking he was doing good but doing a lot of evil in the process, at worst, he as an hypocrite hungry for power.

Olenna owned him (well, Olenna owns everyone), taunting hm about how the gods were delivering their messages, by horse or by raven. In the episode Loras submits himself to the will of the gods, but it's a man, the High Sparrow, that talks on their behalf, how convenient.

Also, on the subject of religion in Westeros, some good advice from Davos: "If your god tells you to burn children, then your god is evil".
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Post by: Chino on June 28, 2016, 09:56:59 AM: Davos is probably in my top 5 characters. Really like that dude.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 10:00:12 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2016, 09:56:59 AM
Davos is probably in my top 5 characters. Really like that dude.

I hope he does eventually become hand of the king, like Stannis wanted him to be. The guy is one of the few morally good people in westeros.

Quote from: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 09:47:47 AM
Also, on the subject of religion in Westeros, some good advice from Davos: "If your god tells you to burn children, then your god is evil".

Perfect quote for the discussion.
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Post by: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 10:22:48 AM: The King's landing sequence in the finale was amazing start to finish, nothing more needs to be said that hasn't been said as it's been universally praised through and through. That finale is definitely my favorite finale of all finales and my favorite season by far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 10:36:41 AM: Does anyone know if ALL the children of the forest were killed when the white walkers came? Or are they scattered around?

Another question I had regarding the faceless men, in season 5 finale they show Arya's face as one of the many faces that Arya pulls when Jaqan drinks a potion and keels over. I thought the person had to be dead to have their face used that way or am I misunderstanding how it works.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 28, 2016, 10:43:49 AM: Question: Is Edmure Tully now the lord of River Run and The Twins? Or are their any other Frey's left with a claim?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: FracturedMirror on June 28, 2016, 10:44:03 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 07:01:59 AM
Quote from: FracturedMirror on June 28, 2016, 06:56:05 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 10:48:45 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2016, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 27, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
Massive lol at people considering the High Sparrow anything other than a manipulative, powerhungry and brutal man like everyone else in King's Landing. Rather than riches or family name, his cloak was religion, and its devotees his army. To overlook the way he controlled the royalty this season as acts justified by some inherently good religious creed is to willfully turn a blind eye at reality.

Agreeing to disagree, without the "massive lol".

He was content taking care of the poor until Cersei gave him a little power. After that, he ran wild with it, letting it take over him. He isn't as modest as you think. It's why religion needs to stay out of politics. It's like saying only one religion has the right idea about things and forcing everyone to live by its rules. He only went after certain people, people with power, to help consolidate his own.

I wouldn't say the Sparrow "ran wild" with power. He was actually really fair with everything he did. The problems were all Cersei: she gave him power because she wanted to manipulate him and use him, and his followers, to punish her enemies thinking herself above the rest. When she was held to the same standards then the faith became her enemies as well.

Running amuck in kings landing and beating everyone that may have sinned is fair? Remember that first episode he got power and destroyed LF's brothel and pretty much went through destroying anything that was considered bad in King's Landing. That is what you call fair? He used his power to his advantage and continued to work to gain more power. His followers were more closely related to a gang of thugs than a group of religious followers.

"Fair" as in "equal". The powerful and the "nobodies" were all treated the same.

I admit, I'm a bit of a Sparrow fan, books and show. He's the only person that has truly challenged Cersei.
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Post by: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 11:04:05 AM: And no surprise the ratings for the finale was off the charts (https://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/28/game-thrones-finale-ratings-6)
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 28, 2016, 11:40:10 AM: Quote from: kingshmegland on June 27, 2016, 07:41:39 PM
You don't think Cersei was on that path that like her? I do, she is evil, just not at the level of evil of Cersei. I onto see nothing wrong with that statement. There are always levels to good and bad.

Some are willing to manipulate and some are willing to kill.

That's what my argument was. You claimed she was as evil and conniving as Cersei and I disagreed. Now you agree that they are on different levels.

Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2016, 09:56:59 AM
Davos is probably in my top 5 characters. Really like that dude.

He might not be one of my Top 5, but he's good to have on your side. He's an excellent negotiator and has seen what evil can do.
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Post by: Chino on June 28, 2016, 11:41:18 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 11:04:05 AM
And no surprise the ratings for the finale was off the charts (https://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/28/game-thrones-finale-ratings-6)

I think networks are finally seeing the true value of online streaming services. I would have never watched Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones if I couldn't go back and binge the first few seasons first.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 11:53:39 AM: Quote from: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 11:04:05 AM
And no surprise the ratings for the finale was off the charts (https://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/28/game-thrones-finale-ratings-6)

And there are people who are just starting to watch now. As the article said, it's not normal for TV shows and Breaking Bad was another one. Also remember how many people only started watching at the end of the show. It's a true sign of how good a show is.
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Post by: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 12:08:41 PM: And I just realized that the vision that Bran sees of the wildfire in episode 6 is what we see in the finale. So it was another future vision that he saw and not what the Mad King did as he never was able to set the wildfire ablaze.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 28, 2016, 12:54:38 PM: The high sparrow could make up whatever the hell he wanted, whenever he wanted. From day to day, he could just change his mind at a whims notices and people had to follow it. He had no checks or balances, no accountability. I hate that crap and I loved seeing his downfall.

And The one person in the room with a brain tried to warn him, but he didn't even bother trying to listen.
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Post by: Adami on June 28, 2016, 12:57:34 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 28, 2016, 12:54:38 PM
And The one person in the room with a brain tried to warn him, but he didn't even bother trying to listen.

You know, I thought about this for a short time. Like "Man, if only they listened to her...."

But then I realized, that explosion was huge. None of them would have lived even if they left the second she realized they had to.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2016, 01:05:10 PM: I agree. Good call on Margaery's part, but probably still a bit too late.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 28, 2016, 01:05:59 PM: So what was the deal with the barrels? The Mad King had them down there all this time until they were finally activated?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2016, 01:07:39 PM: He never got to use them before he died. So they were just hidden down there until Cercei found them.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM: Going to give my best shots at answering some of the questions

Quote from: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 10:36:41 AM
Does anyone know if ALL the children of the forest were killed when the white walkers came? Or are they scattered around?

Another question I had regarding the faceless men, in season 5 finale they show Arya's face as one of the many faces that Arya pulls when Jaqan drinks a potion and keels over. I thought the person had to be dead to have their face used that way or am I misunderstanding how it works.

I believe that was the end of the CotF, same with the Giants. It seems two ancient species may have gone extinct this season.

I always thought the faceless men needed the face from someone who was dead to use it. I assume that scene had something more to do with Jaqan and the magic of the faceless men.

Quote from: Podaar on June 28, 2016, 10:43:49 AM
Question: Is Edmure Tully now the lord of River Run and The Twins? Or are their any other Frey's left with a claim?

Well Edmure is back in the cells according to Walder. And Walder has many children so I don't know who, but there should be one of them with a claim to the Twins. Edmure is still lord of Riverrun, but it does seem to still be under Frey control though.

Quote from: orcus116 on June 28, 2016, 01:05:59 PM
So what was the deal with the barrels? The Mad King had them down there all this time until they were finally activated?

Yup. He stocked up and was going to set the city ablaze during the end of Robert's Rebellion when it was practically over for him. Makes me wonder if there are more as well. There was talk about enough to blow up all of King's Landing, but that's not what we saw. I'm just speculating, for all we know, that was all of it though.

Quote from: FracturedMirror on June 28, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
"Fair" as in "equal". The powerful and the "nobodies" were all treated the same.

Jamie seemed to get a pass for some reason.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 28, 2016, 01:22:05 PM: The citadel should use Varys or Baelish instead of ravens, they would have known sooner that lord commander Mormont died three freakin seasons ago :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 28, 2016, 01:24:08 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 27, 2016, 02:32:40 PM
It has been confirmed that there will be seven next season. As far as I know, there are supposed to be six in season eight though I'm not sure if that was confirmed.

This article says that they've always thought they could tell the story in 73-75 hours. We are at 60 hours. So, there are either 13 or 15 episodes left. I'd suspect they split the difference and give us (2) 7 Episode Seasons.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/know-exact-number-game-thrones-175352507.html
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Post by: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:24:41 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM

I believe that was the end of the CotF, same with the Giants. It seems two ancient species may have gone extinct this season.

I wanted so much more out of the giants :( I'm really really hoping we get a surprise and find out that the White Walkers have about a dozen of them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 01:26:27 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM

I believe that was the end of the CotF, same with the Giants. It seems two ancient species may have gone extinct this season.

I wanted so much more out of the giants :( I'm really really hoping we get a surprise and find out that the White Walkers have about a dozen of them.

That would not be good for Westeros though :lol
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Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2016, 01:26:54 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM
Yup. He stocked up and was going to set the city ablaze during the end of Robert's Rebellion when it was practically over for him. Makes me wonder if there are more as well. There was talk about enough to blow up all of King's Landing, but that's not what we saw. I'm just speculating, for all we know, that was all of it though.

Jamie says that he put wildfire under the entire city, "even under the Red Keep itself". There is probably more.

Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:24:41 PM
I wanted so much more out of the giants :( I'm really really hoping we get a surprise and find out that the White Walkers have about a dozen of them.

It would very much make sense that they do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:28:47 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM

I believe that was the end of the CotF, same with the Giants. It seems two ancient species may have gone extinct this season.

I wanted so much more out of the giants :( I'm really really hoping we get a surprise and find out that the White Walkers have about a dozen of them.

That would not be good for Westeros though :lol

That's fine. I'm expecting utter devastation everywhere. There's wild fire all over the place. I'm actually kind of hoping the series ends with the White Walkers laying waste to everyone, leaving everyone dead.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2016, 01:46:10 PM: Martin would giggle with glee.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 28, 2016, 01:50:40 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:28:47 PM
That's fine. I'm expecting utter devastation everywhere. There's wild fire all over the place. I'm actually kind of hoping the series ends with the White Walkers laying waste to everyone, leaving everyone dead.

While I don't expect it to be absolute destruction and such a bleak ending....I also don't expect it to be wrapped up in a pretty bow in a 'happily ever after' scenario. I'd think there might be one or two characters that end up 'fine' and in a good position....but all in all I think most of them will die and it'll just be kind of a 'life goes on' type ending....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:54:39 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 28, 2016, 01:50:40 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:28:47 PM
That's fine. I'm expecting utter devastation everywhere. There's wild fire all over the place. I'm actually kind of hoping the series ends with the White Walkers laying waste to everyone, leaving everyone dead.

While I don't expect it to be absolute destruction and such a bleak ending....I also don't expect it to be wrapped up in a pretty bow in a 'happily ever after' scenario. I'd think there might be one or two characters that end up 'fine' and in a good position....but all in all I think most of them will die and it'll just be kind of a 'life goes on' type ending....

I'm expecting an ending just as depressing as The Mist (the movie, not the book).
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 01:54:54 PM: Quote from: Adami on June 28, 2016, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 28, 2016, 12:54:38 PM
And The one person in the room with a brain tried to warn him, but he didn't even bother trying to listen.

You know, I thought about this for a short time. Like "Man, if only they listened to her...."

But then I realized, that explosion was huge. None of them would have lived even if they left the second she realized they had to.

Actually until Olenna mourned her, I thought that maybe Margaery could have survived. Only the High Sparrow was clearly shown being nuclearized.

Anyway, I thought about it and I realized that Margaery's reaction is not overrated. Probably putting together that:
- Cersei was missing and so was Tommen, basically the only two people Cersei cares for in King's Landing (Jaimie was away)
- The sparrows were not returning
- Cersei was desperate for anything

was enough to realize something was seriously wrong. Maybe she didn't actually guess they were all gonna blow up, but she wanted to change what was evidently Cersei's plan somehow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 28, 2016, 01:57:20 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: Adami on June 28, 2016, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on June 28, 2016, 12:54:38 PM
And The one person in the room with a brain tried to warn him, but he didn't even bother trying to listen.

You know, I thought about this for a short time. Like "Man, if only they listened to her...."

But then I realized, that explosion was huge. None of them would have lived even if they left the second she realized they had to.

Actually until Olenna mourned her, I thought that maybe Margaery could have survived. Only the High Sparrow was clearly shown being nuclearized.

Anyway, I thought about it and I realized that Margaery's reaction is not overrated. Probably putting together that:
- Cersei was missing and so was Tommen, basically the only two people Cersei cares for in King's Landing (Jaimie was away)
- The sparrows were not returning
- Cersei was desperate for anything

was enough to realize something was seriously wrong. Maybe she didn't actually guess they were all gonna blow up, but she wanted to change what was evidently Cersei's plan somehow.

Before the episode started, I was assuming that The Mountain was just going to lay waste to everyone in the court room.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2016, 01:57:35 PM: Martin once joked in an interview saying that the last book will just be a thousand pages of snow blowing over a field of graves.

Quote from: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
Actually until Olenna mourned her, I thought that maybe Margaery could have survived. Only the High Sparrow was clearly shown being nuclearized.

There's no way anyone survived that. Yeah we only saw The High Sparrow die, but then when the scope of the explosion is revealed there is absolutely no way anyone else even close to that building survived.
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Post by: Implode on June 28, 2016, 01:58:09 PM: Were the wildfire blowing up the citadel and its victims in the books? About a week ago, I saw someone talking about how Margaery was going to burn in the finale. Was that already widely known or did they have some inside info?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 02:00:34 PM: Quote from: Implode on June 28, 2016, 01:58:09 PM
Were the wildfire blowing up the citadel and its victims in the books? About a week ago, I saw someone talking about how Margaery was going to burn in the finale. Was that already widely known or did they have some inside info?

No, likely someone found spoilers.
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Post by: Tyrias on June 28, 2016, 02:03:53 PM: Quote from: Implode on June 28, 2016, 01:58:09 PM
Were the wildfire blowing up the citadel and its victims in the books? About a week ago, I saw someone talking about how Margaery was going to burn in the finale. Was that already widely known or did they have some inside info?

The last relevant scene in the book was cersei's walk of shame last season, everything else is show-exvlusive. The rest that happens in the books afterwards did not and will not happen in the show because the big players of that scene are either dead or not in King's Landing in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 28, 2016, 02:08:44 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on June 28, 2016, 01:57:35 PM
Martin once joked in an interview saying that the last book will just be a thousand pages of snow blowing over a field of graves.

Quote from: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
Actually until Olenna mourned her, I thought that maybe Margaery could have survived. Only the High Sparrow was clearly shown being nuclearized.

There's no way anyone survived that. Yeah we only saw The High Sparrow die, but then when the scope of the explosion is revealed there is absolutely no way anyone else even close to that building survived.

...and the whole area was still smoldering (presumably) days later when Jamie arrived.
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Post by: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 02:29:29 PM: I wonder if next season there will be anything from Essos. I think they might show just a scene or two with Daario and Jorah but other than that I kinda doubt it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 02:32:49 PM: Quote from: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 02:29:29 PM
I wonder if next season there will be anything from Essos. I think they might show just a scene or two with Daario and Jorah but other than that I kinda doubt it.

You may be right.

I have got to think the Iron Bank of Braavos still has some role to play. Maybe we don't see it in Essos, but the crown is still heavily in debt to them and Stannis was as well.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 28, 2016, 02:36:50 PM: Are we to assume Ned Stark killed the Dornish nurse that was present in the tower of joy?
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 02:42:18 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on June 28, 2016, 02:36:50 PM
Are we to assume Ned Stark killed the Dornish nurse that was present in the tower of joy?

I wouldn't assume that given Ned Stark's reputation, but the show did make a point to show her so I do wonder if she ends up being important given her knowledge... or just killed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 28, 2016, 06:55:21 PM: just wanted to go on record as saying this season has been an absolute banger. I hope they can keep this up for the last two.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 28, 2016, 07:04:11 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: Implode on June 28, 2016, 01:58:09 PM
Were the wildfire blowing up the citadel and its victims in the books? About a week ago, I saw someone talking about how Margaery was going to burn in the finale. Was that already widely known or did they have some inside info?

No, likely someone found spoilers.

Yes, it was in the list of spoilers I came across a couple of weeks prior to Sunday night.

Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM
Going to give my best shots at answering some of the questions

Quote from: FracturedMirror on June 28, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
"Fair" as in "equal". The powerful and the "nobodies" were all treated the same.

Jamie seemed to get a pass for some reason.

That's one of my points I made earlier. He wasn't fair at all. He was exceedingly selective.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 28, 2016, 08:22:55 PM: It looks like Dany was sailing from Sunspear and not Mereen. If you look at the sigils on the ships, you see them Sunspear and Highgarden. It makes more sense that Varys and the fleet of ships from both cities wouldn't travel all the way to Mereen and then go back to Westeros. That is also why we see Varys back with Dany by the end of the episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 28, 2016, 08:31:25 PM: I was trying to figure out if that was the case, that would make most sense that the Martell and Tyrell fleet was joining them once they've already reached Westeros. Will just have to wait and see.
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Post by: Chino on June 29, 2016, 05:56:58 AM: I hope when the White Walkers get to Winterfell they reanimate all the corpses in the crypts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 07:13:29 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 28, 2016, 08:22:55 PM
It looks like Dany was sailing from Sunspear and not Mereen. If you look at the sigils on the ships, you see them Sunspear and Highgarden. It makes more sense that Varys and the fleet of ships from both cities wouldn't travel all the way to Mereen and then go back to Westeros. That is also why we see Varys back with Dany by the end of the episode.

I had just assumed Varys went back to Mereen to let them know of their new alliance and he was accompanied by some Dornish ships, and then that final shot was them all leaving. Maybe you are right, but would be kind of odd that the season ended with Dany already in Westeros.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 07:26:57 AM: That's a possibility, too. Maybe just a couple of ships escorted him back. I just can't figure out how much time lapsed between the beginning and end of the episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 07:31:11 AM: Yea, the timing is hard to figure out with that last episode, most specifically with Dorne because also Olenna getting there and knowing about her family's death seemed really quick too.... and then Varys is with team Dany again. It would make more sense if Dany's ships were just outside Dorne when that talk took place, but then why would Varys of had to leave earlier to go there?

Maybe since when Varys left, Dany didn't have ships so he negotiated to get ships to bring to Mereen and they met half way across the sea?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 07:41:52 AM: She did have ships. She had those she took from the masters. I think she specifically didn't have the dragons burn them all so she could use them herself.

Varys could have sent a raven back to Dany, telling her the negotiation was a success, and to meet them at Dorne. I really don't know. The timing throws me off. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 08:22:11 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 07:41:52 AM
She did have ships. She had those she took from the masters. I think she specifically didn't have the dragons burn them all so she could use them herself.

Varys could have sent a raven back to Dany, telling her the negotiation was a success, and to meet them at Dorne. I really don't know. The timing throws me off. :lol

Those ships didn't attack Mereen until after Varys left. But who really knows, I hope someone from the show makes this clear as to where exactly she is when the season ended.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 08:29:52 AM: I think it'll eventually be brought up. You could be right, though, with the idea of him taking a few ships back with him. They could have needed more ships than what they had to fit the Khalasar.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 29, 2016, 08:36:09 AM: Even if it was indeed a shot of them leaving Sunspear, the distance from Meereen to Sunspear is incredibly vast. So whether Varys went back and forth or Dany's fleet just joined them in Dorne, it's ridiculous time compression either way.

I think it was a poor decision to end the season with her sailing for Westeros/KL so soon, but maybe that indicates there's so much crap to still happen over the next two seasons that the time compression was necessary. After all, there was a mega time crunch to get the Greyjoys to Meereen so bloody fast earlier in the season, and we've yet to see where in that journey Euron is. (Perhaps we're due for a scene with he and his men on a 'side quest' raiding and plundering somewhere. I dunno anything about him, having not read the books.)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 08:55:59 AM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 29, 2016, 08:36:09 AM
Even if it was indeed a shot of them leaving Sunspear, the distance from Meereen to Sunspear is incredibly vast. So whether Varys went back and forth or Dany's fleet just joined them in Dorne, it's ridiculous time compression either way.

I think it was a poor decision to end the season with her sailing for Westeros/KL so soon, but maybe that indicates there's so much crap to still happen over the next two seasons that the time compression was necessary. After all, there was a mega time crunch to get the Greyjoys to Meereen so bloody fast earlier in the season, and we've yet to see where in that journey Euron is. (Perhaps we're due for a scene with he and his men on a 'side quest' raiding and plundering somewhere. I dunno anything about him, having not read the books.)

It's quite possible that Daario has a run-in with Euron.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 29, 2016, 08:56:40 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 08:29:52 AM
I think it'll eventually be brought up. You could be right, though, with the idea of him taking a few ships back with him. They could have needed more ships than what they had to fit the Khalasar.

This was my assumption.

Also, I have no problem with assuming months of travel and preparation in between each Meereen sequences. I find all the "fast travel" concern a bit silly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 29, 2016, 08:59:13 AM: At work I had two coworkers asking me who Jon's father was. I think that for being a "big reveal", it didn't reveal that much even though everyone now knows that Ned's not the father and Lyanna's the mother.

I think we can divide the show watchers in three categories:

- Book readers
- Non book readers who are passionate enough to educate themselves about the books even if they don't actually read them
- Show viewers who just like the story and watch them because dragons, boobs, medieval or "Hey that actor is hot".

The latest group is surely the most "Mh.... ok...?" about the ultimate R+L=J reveal.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2016, 09:11:08 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 29, 2016, 08:56:40 AM
I find all the "fast travel" concern a bit silly.

So do I honestly. They've addressed it several times in interviews. They tried a cohesive, linear timeline approach in season 1 and they said it drove them insane and was near impossible to maintain. They've left it to us to understand that this show isn't happening in the 'normal' time frame' that other shows or life happens in. It'd be impossible to manage all the story arcs in order.

Like they said.....do you want to see (4) shows of Arya and Varys on a boat....sitting there eating or whatever? In the grand scheme of things it's not hard to marry these timelines in each story and reconcile them. I'm under the impression that entire Arya arc from this season was happening basically during season 5 storylines of Jon being behind the Wall and things like that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2016, 09:16:39 AM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 29, 2016, 08:36:09 AM
it's ridiculous time compression either way.
People seem to forget (or be unaware) that this show takes place over a number of years.

I don't know if maybe it's because most viewers are used to shows where there are either big time jumps between seasons (or maybe episodes), or where a 24-episode season takes the best part of a year to air and covers a year, or something like the Walking Dead where 6 seasons have only covered a couple of years. But that's not how Game of Thrones works - it's a huge story and six seasons so far covers more than 6 years in story time, so time jumps occur constantly, whenever there is nothing in particular to show in the intervening periods.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2016, 09:19:11 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 29, 2016, 08:59:13 AM
I think we can divide the show watchers in three categories:

- Book readers
- Non book readers who are passionate enough to educate themselves about the books even if they don't actually read them
- Non book readers who aren't fussed about the books but still enjoy all the details in the show and pay a lot of attention
- Show viewers who just like the story and watch them because dragons, boobs, medieval or "Hey that actor is hot".

I would add a fourth group, per my edit above.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on June 29, 2016, 11:22:22 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2016, 09:11:08 AM
Quote from: Podaar on June 29, 2016, 08:56:40 AM
I find all the "fast travel" concern a bit silly.

So do I honestly. They've addressed it several times in interviews. They tried a cohesive, linear timeline approach in season 1 and they said it drove them insane and was near impossible to maintain. They've left it to us to understand that this show isn't happening in the 'normal' time frame' that other shows or life happens in. It'd be impossible to manage all the story arcs in order.

Like they said.....do you want to see (4) shows of Arya and Varys on a boat....sitting there eating or whatever? In the grand scheme of things it's not hard to marry these timelines in each story and reconcile them. I'm under the impression that entire Arya arc from this season was happening basically during season 5 storylines of Jon being behind the Wall and things like that.

100% this. It's like purple are trying really hard to find anything to complain about. It's been said that multiple characters can be in the same episode but their scenes could take place at different times.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 11:23:37 AM: The time/travel never really bothered me either, just that last episode with the Dorne scenes seemed like it was incredibly quick because it happened in the same episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 11:59:04 AM: Directors for next season. https://watchersonthewall.com/season-7-directors-announced/#more-70420
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 12:22:42 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 11:59:04 AM
Directors for next season. https://watchersonthewall.com/season-7-directors-announced/#more-70420

Kind of upsetting the two directors who did really well this season IMO aren't going to be back next year. But, I don't think the directors have ever been a problem with the show so it may not be a big deal at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 12:26:09 PM: There's the possibility they're already working on other projects or maybe they'll bring Miguel back for the last season for what could be the most massive battle scene ever. Maybe an all out skirmish between the living and the dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 12:29:08 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 12:26:09 PM
There's the possibility they're already working on other projects or maybe they'll bring Miguel back for the last season for what could be the most massive battle scene ever. Maybe an all out skirmish between the living and the dead.

Yea, Jack Bender said previously he would do more GoT work if asked but also had other plans so it's not like he needed the work.

I took it also that maybe there won't be a huge battle sequence next year hence not bringing Miguel back. We will see in a year.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 29, 2016, 12:49:20 PM: Is the short list another official-ish confirmation that there's gonna be only 7 episodes then? usually there were five directors for 2 episodes each, making it the obvious 10.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 12:52:21 PM: It has already been confirmed that there will be seven episodes next season. As of now, season eight will have six episodes, but that could change. That's what Dan and Dave said.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2016, 01:00:39 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 12:52:21 PM
It has already been confirmed that there will be seven episodes next season. As of now, season eight will have six episodes, but that could change. That's what the Dan and Dave said.

They should just buck up....shoot 14 episodes next season instead of 10......and have season 7 be the end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 01:01:32 PM: Agreed. These shortened seasons suck.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 29, 2016, 01:04:59 PM: I'm perfectly fine with their plans. They have delivered the best television that I have ever watched. I definitely trust their judgement here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 01:05:43 PM: I am sure Dan and Dave would rather finish it in 7 seasons. I know they're anxious to work on other projects.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on June 29, 2016, 01:08:11 PM: Very sad to read that Miguel is not back but nice to have Jeremy Podeswa and Alan Taylor back. I have no doubt that this should be still be amazing set of episodes but there are some huge shoes to fill next season with the way this season ended.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 29, 2016, 01:08:20 PM: For some reason, I always thought there would be seven seasons. Was eight seasons always the plan, or did that change recently?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 01:12:22 PM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 29, 2016, 01:08:20 PM
For some reason, I always thought there would be seven seasons. Was eight seasons always the plan, or did that change recently?

I think it was changed last year, or at least talked about splitting the last season in 2 and confirmed this year. I could be wrong. 7 seasons was talked about for a long time by the show runners.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2016, 01:15:30 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on June 29, 2016, 01:08:20 PM
For some reason, I always thought there would be seven seasons. Was eight seasons always the plan, or did that change recently?

I think it was changed last year, or at least talked about splitting the last season in 2 and confirmed this year. I could be wrong. 7 seasons was talked about for a long time by the show runners.

The article I read said they always envisioned telling the story in 73-75 hours. We are at 60 hours now....so....if they always wanted 7 seasons we should have been getting 11 episodes per season rather than the 10.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 01:19:11 PM: I think they felt like it couldn't be done in 70 episodes so they decided to make two shortened seasons.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13567069_881146545330325_7374365571957242413_n.jpg?oh=443c4ddbf608c500efd86be5b478dc03&oe=5804D46B)
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Post by: BlackInk on June 29, 2016, 02:08:19 PM: I'm also fine with the current plans.

Since the day season 4 ended I have always wanted 8 seasons. The s04 finale is such a perfect half-way point for the series. That's a silly reason, but that's how I've seen it since then lol.

Also, there's no way they can manage shooting 14 episodes in one year to finish it out with season 7. They say they barely have time to shoot 10, which would mean it would be delayed and it wouldn't finish by the time season 8 would have ended either way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on June 29, 2016, 02:50:37 PM: The reason for doing a smaller number of episodes per season is (at least based on their previous interviews) due to the time it takes to produce the episodes. If they want 14 episodes to end the show, they can't make 14 episodes for season 7 because they barely had enough time to shoot 10 episodes in a year.

There is also a conflict between HBO wanting to extend the life of the show since it is so successful vs. the showrunners wanting to end it quickly (which I think to be honest is partly due to burn-out on their part, rather than purely creative reasons). And of course both sides face the reality of not being able to keep actors around forever.

A while ago the showrunners said they wanted seven seasons while HBO talked about 8. I guessed that we might get a 7A and 7B compromise, which is essentially what a short season 7 and short season 8 amounts to. Despite the showrunners insistence I wouldn't be surprised to see season 8 made longer or spread across 2 years though.

In any case I just hope it is able to do it justice. Personally I'd be a bit more concerned about an overly short run to the end than a longer one - I think the ship has sailed in terms of the show being short enough, but it could still end up too short.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 29, 2016, 03:02:50 PM: They should film three bottle episodes to round it up to 10, we'd all watch Sam working stuff out in the library or Olenna owning everyone she talks to ;D

Also, if HBO wants to milk the cow, they could do anthology series moving forward. Have each year a different story told, like Robert's Rebellion, and wrap it up in one season and then the year after tell a different story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 03:07:21 PM: I have no problems if 73 was the number of episodes the creators needed to tell the story the best way possible, and I am glad they are still sticking to that because you know HBO would love more. I just personally don't like the shortened seasons for selfish reasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 29, 2016, 03:12:48 PM: I have a problem with it cause I already see a lot of half assing and skipping over character development and interesting interactions which made the show special in the first place.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 07:32:59 PM: rip stoneheart :'(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2016, 09:09:01 PM: I'm curious as to how Arya can still use the faces of the dead if she left the God of the Dead cult? Did she leave on good terms then and can utilize that aspect? Or, is that a skill that she learned? It seems more like 'magic' than anything and would seem to me need 'permission' to use?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:19:51 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2016, 09:09:01 PM
I'm curious as to how Arya can still use the faces of the dead if she left the God of the Dead cult? Did she leave on good terms then and can utilize that aspect? Or, is that a skill that she learned? It seems more like 'magic' than anything and would seem to me need 'permission' to use?

I'm going to assume that she stole the face and can probably still perform the magic involved. It does go against their rules about taking the wrong name but maybe he just likes her enough to let her do what she wants? Maybe Jaqen is the many-faced god.
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Post by: Adami on June 29, 2016, 09:22:49 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:19:51 PM
Maybe Jaqen is the many-faced god.

Would make sense, since outside of Arya's last little stunt, he was the only one of them who knew what the hell he was doing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:26:55 PM: It would seem that way.

I like the detail of those scenes in the books much better.

I'm wondering if this means Jaqen's character is done in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on June 29, 2016, 09:29:16 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:26:55 PM
It would seem that way.

I like the detail of those scenes in the books much better.

I'm wondering if this means Jaqen's character is done in the show.

Last 10 minutes of the show is the white walker king guy fighting Arya. He's the last white walker, she's the last human. He win, he's about to kill her.......and then takes off his face and is Jaqen! He says "finally a girl has no name"......credits.

20 million people commit murder.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:43:00 PM: Quote from: Adami on June 29, 2016, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:26:55 PM
It would seem that way.

I like the detail of those scenes in the books much better.

I'm wondering if this means Jaqen's character is done in the show.

Last 10 minutes of the show is the white walker king guy fighting Arya. He's the last white walker, she's the last human. He win, he's about to kill her.......and then takes off his face and is Jaqen! He says "finally a girl has no name"......credits.

20 million people commit murder.

:lol

Or Bran time travels and stops himself from climbing the tower so the show ends after one episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on June 29, 2016, 09:47:22 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: Adami on June 29, 2016, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:26:55 PM
It would seem that way.

I like the detail of those scenes in the books much better.

I'm wondering if this means Jaqen's character is done in the show.

Last 10 minutes of the show is the white walker king guy fighting Arya. He's the last white walker, she's the last human. He win, he's about to kill her.......and then takes off his face and is Jaqen! He says "finally a girl has no name"......credits.

20 million people commit murder.

:lol

Or Bran time travels and stops himself from climbing the tower so the show ends after one episode.

I'd like to amend my idea to add that the episode is 3 hours long and all of that happens in the first 20 minutes, following by 2.5 hours of George R.R. Martin jerking off while giving everyone the finger.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: home on June 30, 2016, 04:21:10 AM: Wow this was probably my favourite season finale, and perhaps even the best season of GoT. I really loved the music in the first part! I really expected that at least some characters would make it out of the building before it exploded.

Arya seems to be going a little psycho, making a pie with human parts in it seems more than a little unnecessary :lol I am curious as to what part she is going to play in the next season, I guess she might assasinate one of the major characters, Cersei perhaps?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 05:09:53 AM: I'm wondering if Jon and Sansa think Arya is dead. I would really love to see that reunion, especially Jon and Arya. I could also imagine a Sansa and Arya reunion would be filled with lots of apologies.

Quote from: Adami on June 29, 2016, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: Adami on June 29, 2016, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 09:26:55 PM
It would seem that way.

I like the detail of those scenes in the books much better.

I'm wondering if this means Jaqen's character is done in the show.

Last 10 minutes of the show is the white walker king guy fighting Arya. He's the last white walker, she's the last human. He win, he's about to kill her.......and then takes off his face and is Jaqen! He says "finally a girl has no name"......credits.

20 million people commit murder.

:lol

Or Bran time travels and stops himself from climbing the tower so the show ends after one episode.

I'd like to amend my idea to add that the episode is 3 hours long and all of that happens in the first 20 minutes, following by 2.5 hours of George R.R. Martin jerking off while giving everyone the finger.

I don't doubt that the idea has crossed his mind once or twice.

Quote from: home on June 30, 2016, 04:21:10 AM
Wow this was probably my favourite season finale, and perhaps even the best season of GoT. I really loved the music in the first part! I really expected that at least some characters would make it out of the building before it exploded.

Arya seems to be going a little psycho, making a pie with human parts in it seems more than a little unnecessary :lol I am curious as to what part she is going to play in the next season, I guess she might assasinate one of the major characters, Cersei perhaps?

I'm sure she will keep trying to shorten her list. How soon before she runs into The Hound again. They can't be that far apart.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 30, 2016, 05:44:50 AM: Can the White Walkers only raise the dead if they were killed by their army?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 05:54:47 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 05:44:50 AM
Can the White Walkers only raise the dead if they were killed by their army?

I believe they can raise anyone, animals included, unless their death was by fire.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 30, 2016, 05:56:35 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 05:54:47 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 05:44:50 AM
Can the White Walkers only raise the dead if they were killed by their army?

I believe they can raise anyone, animals included, unless their death was by fire.

So all the dead Starks in Winterfell's crypts are fair game?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tyrias on June 30, 2016, 06:05:51 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 05:56:35 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 05:54:47 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 05:44:50 AM
Can the White Walkers only raise the dead if they were killed by their army?

I believe they can raise anyone, animals included, unless their death was by fire.

So all the dead Starks in Winterfell's crypts are fair game?

Honestly, I don't think there's much left of them to raise, they're probably 90% dust. They might just forego that fact for cinematic effect, though :P.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 06:06:28 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 05:56:35 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 05:54:47 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 05:44:50 AM
Can the White Walkers only raise the dead if they were killed by their army?

I believe they can raise anyone, animals included, unless their death was by fire.

So all the dead Starks in Winterfell's crypts are fair game?

I don't know if there's some time limit, but I guess reanimating something through their magic would include a pile of bones, if they haven't decayed already. I know at the end of season 5, Bran and Meera and company are fighting skeletons outside the entrance to the cave, so I'm assuming this means it's possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 30, 2016, 06:14:12 AM: This guy seems pretty far gone.

(https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7a18b36ce3be9e6753ce7f413929d3eb?convert_to_webp=true)

Eddard (headless), Catelyn, Robb, and Rickon are still pretty fresh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 06:18:10 AM: Exactly. This is why the war needs to be focused on them and not men fighting each other.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 30, 2016, 06:19:06 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 06:14:12 AM
This guy seems pretty far gone.

Oh he's alright. He's just waiting for RR to finish writing the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 30, 2016, 06:22:17 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 05:09:53 AM
I'm wondering if Jon and Sansa think Arya is dead. I would really love to see that reunion, especially Jon and Arya. I could also imagine a Sansa and Arya reunion would be filled with lots of apologies.

I think that they would reasonably assume she's dead hoping in their hearts to be mistaken. Common sense would say she's dead, the hope for a relative would led to think otherwise.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 30, 2016, 06:25:49 AM: While an Arya, Jon (and to a lesser degree, Sansa) reunion would be nice...I really want Arya to have a reunion with Nymeria! That could make for some real trouble!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 30, 2016, 06:27:37 AM: I feel like the Hound has to have another encounter with either Arya or Brienne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 06:36:01 AM: Quote from: Podaar on June 30, 2016, 06:25:49 AM
While an Arya, Jon (and to a lesser degree, Sansa) reunion would be nice...I really want Arya to have a reunion with Nymeria! That could make for some real trouble!!

She'll find Nymeria at some point.

Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 06:27:37 AM
I feel like the Hound has to have another encounter with either Arya or Brienne.

The season finale didn't show an update for Brienne, so she and Pod are heading back to Sansa and Jon I'm assuming. Brienne could also run into Arya so maybe they all go back to Winterfell together. The last time we saw The Hound it appeared as if the Brotherhood were convincing him to join them and fight for good. It would be interesting to see what happens if The Hound ran into Arya or Brienne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 30, 2016, 06:52:09 AM: Think the Hound ends up having to square off against the Mountain?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 07:26:09 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 06:52:09 AM
Think the Hound ends up having to square off against the Mountain?

I don't know if that would happen. They're in two different places. Maybe if there's another trial once Cersei gets ousted and brought up on her crimes and there's a trial by combat or something. I don't know.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 07:43:01 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 06:52:09 AM
Think the Hound ends up having to square off against the Mountain?

I know it's a fan desire but like John said, two different places that don't look like they'll ever cross paths. I think the hound is going to be fighting White Walkers and the Mountain will be fighting Dothraki.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 30, 2016, 08:17:25 AM: I for one think that we'll get the Mountain vs. The Hound. Sure they're in different places at the moment, but this show has shown us that things can change in a hurry.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 30, 2016, 09:27:06 AM: Personally, I'd love to see The Hound vs The Mountain too.

I know they are in different locations, but I can't help thinking that the writers must have kept him (The Hound) alive for some other purpose than simply going off to fight in the North against the white walkers. I think his character may seem a little lost being part of a large battle like that.

He's got personal scores to settle, whether that's with Brienne, Arya or his brother. It would be interesting to see how he'd react to meeting Arya again, since she didn't technically kill him, just left him for dead. I'm not sure if that's something you could get over, with time.. :lol

I'm probably wrong about that, but the unpredictability is one of the coolest things about this show. I didn't see Margaery's demise coming - I honestly thought there was another sub-plot developing there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2016, 09:30:36 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 06:36:01 AM
Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 06:27:37 AM
I feel like the Hound has to have another encounter with either Arya or Brienne.

The season finale didn't show an update for Brienne, so she and Pod are heading back to Sansa and Jon I'm assuming. Brienne could also run into Arya so maybe they all go back to Winterfell together. The last time we saw The Hound it appeared as if the Brotherhood were convincing him to join them and fight for good. It would be interesting to see what happens if The Hound ran into Arya or Brienne.

And the Brotherhood said they were headed north so it's very possible they run into Brienne on the way.

I also still think we get Cleganebowl just not the way we thought we might this season. Who else is going to kill the Mountain?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 09:50:51 AM: Jaime can kill the Mountain.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on June 30, 2016, 10:07:11 AM: The Mountain's Frankenstein heart finally gives out and he dies on natural causes in his own bed surrounded by friends and family.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 10:57:25 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 09:50:51 AM
Jaime can kill the Mountain.
I doubt it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2016, 10:58:53 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 09:50:51 AM
Jaime can kill the Mountain.
I doubt it.

I doubt it too. So far he hasn't shown to be anywhere near the fighter he once was (this could change, but he's becoming more of a peacemaker than fighter it seems) and even then it would not have been an easy fight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 30, 2016, 11:01:09 AM: That helmet on Ser Robert Strong is just open enough for Needle to stick in his eyes. There'd be something interesting if Arya intervened in a Hound vs. Mountain battle and saved the Hound, considering she left him for dead before. Maybe the Brotherhood Without Banners tell her about how he avenged Septon Ray and she thinks he's turned into a Good Dude.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 11:16:12 AM: By my count, here are the remaining names on Arya's list.

Cersei Lannister
Ilyn Payne
Gregor Clegane
Sandor Clegane
Melisandre
Beric Dondarrion
Thoros of Myr

I don't think she would still kill the Hound; she had a chance to do so and left him there.

So, do we think she stays in the riverlands to hunt down Beric and Thoros, or head to Kings Landing to try for Cersei, Payne, and the Mountain?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 30, 2016, 11:26:23 AM: I'm not sure, at this stage, if Arya still has Mel, Beric and Thoros on her list. If she met up with them (or Davos) they could tell her that Gendry is (most likely) back in King's Landing...where the other three on her list happen to be. I won't be surprised if she heads that direction next.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 11:30:56 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 30, 2016, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 09:50:51 AM
Jaime can kill the Mountain.
I doubt it.

I doubt it too. So far he hasn't shown to be anywhere near the fighter he once was (this could change, but he's becoming more of a peacemaker than fighter it seems) and even then it would not have been an easy fight.

On the surface it seems highly doubtful. But Jamie 'used' to be a good swordsman....and the only thing the Mountain has going for him is size. I think Jamie could dance around him as well and find a kill shot. Maybe he's continued practicing and he'd surprise everyone?

Out of Arya, the Hound or Jamie.....he is the most likely narratively to fight the Mountain. It appeared to me he was a bit taken a back by Cersi's move, and it's not out of the question he will start turning against her. The Mountain stands in the way of getting to her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on June 30, 2016, 11:42:21 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 30, 2016, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 09:50:51 AM
Jaime can kill the Mountain.
I doubt it.

I doubt it too. So far he hasn't shown to be anywhere near the fighter he once was (this could change, but he's becoming more of a peacemaker than fighter it seems) and even then it would not have been an easy fight.

On the surface it seems highly doubtful. But Jamie 'used' to be a good swordsman....and the only thing the Mountain has going for him is size. I think Jamie could dance around him as well and find a kill shot. Maybe he's continued practicing and he'd surprise everyone?

Out of Arya, the Hound or Jamie.....he is the most likely narratively to fight the Mountain. It appeared to me he was a bit taken a back by Cersi's move, and it's not out of the question he will start turning against her. The Mountain stands in the way of getting to her.

I'm not sure if Jamie could take the Mountain by himself, but it could be possible. We already saw his metal hand get him out of one sword fight, so I don't think we'll see that happen a second time (unless he does it on purpose). Could Brienne come in with her Valyrian steel sword and tag team against him? That'd actually be a pretty cool thing to see, I think. You can tell Brienne and Jamie had a good amount of respect for each other.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 12:40:33 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 30, 2016, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 09:50:51 AM
Jaime can kill the Mountain.
I doubt it.

I doubt it too. So far he hasn't shown to be anywhere near the fighter he once was (this could change, but he's becoming more of a peacemaker than fighter it seems) and even then it would not have been an easy fight.

On the surface it seems highly doubtful. But Jamie 'used' to be a good swordsman....and the only thing the Mountain has going for him is size. I think Jamie could dance around him as well and find a kill shot. Maybe he's continued practicing and he'd surprise everyone?

Out of Arya, the Hound or Jamie.....he is the most likely narratively to fight the Mountain. It appeared to me he was a bit taken a back by Cersi's move, and it's not out of the question he will start turning against her. The Mountain stands in the way of getting to her.

I'm not sure if Jamie could take the Mountain by himself, but it could be possible. We already saw his metal hand get him out of one sword fight, so I don't think we'll see that happen a second time (unless he does it on purpose). Could Brienne come in with her Valyrian steel sword and tag team against him? That'd actually be a pretty cool thing to see, I think. You can tell Brienne and Jamie had a good amount of respect for each other.

You need someone with the speed of Oberyn. He did beat him. He just had to make that killing blow but his arrogance fucked him. For all intents and purposes, he had that fight won. So as far as technique, to beat the mountain, you have to be fast. Jaime just isn't there anymore.

Quote from: Logain Ablar on June 30, 2016, 09:27:06 AM
Personally, I'd love to see The Hound vs The Mountain too.

I know they are in different locations, but I can't help thinking that the writers must have kept him (The Hound) alive for some other purpose than simply going off to fight in the North against the white walkers. I think his character may seem a little lost being part of a large battle like that.

He's got personal scores to settle, whether that's with Brienne, Arya or his brother. It would be interesting to see how he'd react to meeting Arya again, since she didn't technically kill him, just left him for dead. I'm not sure if that's something you could get over, with time.. :lol

He went from being the lapdog of Joffrey to a fan favorite. I think that it would poor writing to not make the character completely absolve himself of his past. Maybe he does wind up as the Valonqar.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 11:16:12 AM

So, do we think she stays in the riverlands to hunt down Beric and Thoros, or head to Kings Landing to try for Cersei, Payne, and the Mountain?

I think she'll run into either Brienne or the Brothers. Maybe she sees Melisandre and she tells her that Sansa and Jon are up north. How about this? This is just my active imagination. Melisandre brings her back to Winterfell to make sure she arrives safely, but also in hopes that Jon will forgive her. Does Jon give her another chance due to the return of his "sister" (cousin now)? Doubtful, but there are so many ways for Arya to get back to Jon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 30, 2016, 12:42:59 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 12:40:33 PM
You need someone with the speed of Oberyn. He did beat him. He just had to make that killing blow but his arrogance fucked him. For all intents and purposes, he had that fight won. So as far as technique, to beat the mountain, you have to be fast. Jaime just isn't there anymore.

Bronn himself figured out that this was the way to go. When discussing with Tyrion if he realistically could kill the Mountain, he was musing "Maybe I could dance around him 'til he's tired, get him off his feet somehow"... and that's exactly what Oberyn did, with the added benefit of pissing him off and making him nervous which surely helped him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 30, 2016, 12:59:09 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 30, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
I'm not sure if Jamie could take the Mountain by himself, but it could be possible.

I think it'd be set up as there's no possible way he could do it....it'd be suicide. But, he would ultimately draw upon his 'warrior spirit' and past experience...so on so forth....and, I'd bet he's still been training to re-learn sword fighting despite us not seeing it....he's too proud not to....and maybe he shocks everyone by outlasting then killing the Mountain.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2016, 01:15:23 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 12:40:33 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 11:16:12 AM

So, do we think she stays in the riverlands to hunt down Beric and Thoros, or head to Kings Landing to try for Cersei, Payne, and the Mountain?

I think she'll run into either Brienne or the Brothers. Maybe she sees Melisandre and she tells her that Sansa and Jon are up north. How about this? This is just my active imagination. Melisandre brings her back to Winterfell to make sure she arrives safely, but also in hopes that Jon will forgive her. Does Jon give her another chance due to the return of his "sister" (cousin now)? Doubtful, but there are so many ways for Arya to get back to Jon.

Interesting thought, like she killed a young girl so now her redemption could be to help a young girl.... except I don't see how Arya would need Melisandre since Arya is clearly badass enough at this point to get where she needed to and kill as needed. Interesting to think about this. We all can agree Melisandre's story is not over yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 01:21:53 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 30, 2016, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 12:40:33 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 11:16:12 AM

So, do we think she stays in the riverlands to hunt down Beric and Thoros, or head to Kings Landing to try for Cersei, Payne, and the Mountain?

I think she'll run into either Brienne or the Brothers. Maybe she sees Melisandre and she tells her that Sansa and Jon are up north. How about this? This is just my active imagination. Melisandre brings her back to Winterfell to make sure she arrives safely, but also in hopes that Jon will forgive her. Does Jon give her another chance due to the return of his "sister" (cousin now)? Doubtful, but there are so many ways for Arya to get back to Jon.

Interesting thought, like she killed a young girl so now her redemption could be to help a young girl.... except I don't see how Arya would need Melisandre since Arya is clearly badass enough at this point to get where she needed to and kill as needed. Interesting to think about this. We all can agree Melisandre's story is not over yet.

Arya could undoubtedly get home herself, but I think Melisandre would be concerned for her safety regardless. Whoever it is, someone will run into Arya in the first or second episode next season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on June 30, 2016, 02:10:29 PM: I feel pretty certain of that as well
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 04:14:56 PM: Okay, so how many days left?

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/13533191_881149075330072_9188828347394391225_n.jpg?oh=99755ff41feea9d56dd007f11a7ebe7d&oe=5806E5EF)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on June 30, 2016, 07:50:27 PM: Chino I like how you're bringing the kind of discussions that we have in the TWD thread while we're waiting for a new season to the GoT thread :lol

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2016, 11:16:12 AM
By my count, here are the remaining names on Arya's list.

Cersei Lannister
Ilyn Payne
Gregor Clegane
Sandor Clegane
Melisandre
Beric Dondarrion
Thoros of Myr

Last time she recited the list, it was much shorter than that, I believe only Cersei and The Mountain are on it now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on July 01, 2016, 02:37:35 AM: Yeah I'm pretty sure she took The Hound off it, after she left him to die slowly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on July 01, 2016, 05:26:39 AM: I was just reading Cersei's prophecy again and this part gave me an idea.

"And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."

We know that Valonqar means little brother. The part that mentions "tears have drowned you" makes me wonder what her tears would be from. Tommen is her last child left and she loves no one else except for Jaime. So does Jaime die and then Tyrion kill her? We know Jaime said he would kill Tyrion for murdering their father. What if Jaime tries to kill him, or have Bronn try to do it (which would be the total GRRM thing to do), and they both get killed by an unsullied or a Dothraki fighter?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 01, 2016, 05:44:31 AM: Jaime is the Valonqar. It is mentioned that Jaime came out after Cersei, holding her foot, so technically he is younger than her by a little while.

And for the love of god no Cleganebowl, please. I know this show doesn't care about character arcs or themes but that is so not the point of Sandor's story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 01, 2016, 05:52:37 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 01, 2016, 05:44:31 AM
And for the love of god no Cleganebowl, please. I know this show doesn't care about character arcs or themes but that is so not the point of Sandor's story.

What is then? Not saying you are wrong, but I want to know why you feel you know what the point of his story is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 01, 2016, 06:01:43 AM: Reading comprehension :lol

Like, Sandor is who he is as a result of Gregor's abuse, but the end of his story is not a big battle with Frankengregor. The Hound can live out his days as the Gravedigger as far as I'm concerned (not taking the show's word for it that he leaves that situation), because ultimately where he ends up is in this state of rejecting the violence and cruelty his brother represents... and you don't rise above the violence through, y'know, violence.

Obviously I don't know what Martin has planned for the character... but I have enough faith in him as a writer that I don't think something as hackneyed as Cleganebowl isn't in the cards.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 01, 2016, 06:12:42 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 01, 2016, 06:01:43 AM
Reading comprehension :lol

Like, Sandor is who he is as a result of Gregor's abuse, but the end of his story is not a big battle with Frankengregor. The Hound can live out his days as the Gravedigger as far as I'm concerned (not taking the show's word for it that he leaves that situation), because ultimately where he ends up is in this state of rejecting the violence and cruelty his brother represents... and you don't rise above the violence through, y'know, violence.

Obviously I don't know what Martin has planned for the character... but I have enough faith in him as a writer that I don't think something as hackneyed as Cleganebowl isn't in the cards.

Well I think we both can agree that book and show version of Sandor is and may be very different going forward.

But the show has already shown that he can't escape the violence that follows him and he has already returned to being violent. So how can you say the end of his story is not to take out the one who started the whole thing for him, his brother? Sounds a lot like what you think the end of his story should be but not what we've seen so far. Of course he can always end up returning to being peaceful, but it doesn't appear to be that way until he get's his "revenge" (or whatever, who knows what his real goal is at this point, it wasn't made clear if he even joins the Brotherhood although my opinion is that he will, ya know fight for a better cause now since he is clearly not a "bad guy"). Also these are just my views based on what we've seen, I'm certainly not claiming anything to be correct.

And I'm not sure how your reading comprehension is any better than mine since this is a TV show. :biggrin:
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Post by: Genowyn on July 01, 2016, 06:14:40 AM: Any opinion I express is based on the books. I don't think the Cleganebowl will happen in the books. I would not be at all surprised if it happens on the show because that's the kind of shit the writers go in for (but not Lady Stoneheart for whatever reason).
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Post by: faizoff on July 01, 2016, 08:56:09 AM: So is it a big deal if Jon Snow doesn't have silver hair like the other Targaryens? I thought that was the dominant trait of the Targaryens, or did he just inherit his mother's hair gene?
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Post by: ZirconBlue on July 01, 2016, 09:56:51 AM: Quote from: faizoff on July 01, 2016, 08:56:09 AM
So is it a big deal if Jon Snow doesn't have silver hair like the other Targaryens? I thought that was the dominant trait of the Targaryens, or did he just inherit his mother's hair gene?

No, many Targaryens did not have silver hair.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 01, 2016, 03:41:12 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 01, 2016, 06:01:43 AM
Reading comprehension :lol

Like, Sandor is who he is as a result of Gregor's abuse, but the end of his story is not a big battle with Frankengregor. The Hound can live out his days as the Gravedigger as far as I'm concerned (not taking the show's word for it that he leaves that situation), because ultimately where he ends up is in this state of rejecting the violence and cruelty his brother represents... and you don't rise above the violence through, y'know, violence.

Obviously I don't know what Martin has planned for the character... but I have enough faith in him as a writer that I don't think something as hackneyed as Cleganebowl isn't in the cards.

Totally valid and well considered view. And if this wasn't written by GRRM, that's likely what would happen; but since it is written by him, there's no way the Hound'll be left to gravedigging until after he approaches his former life from a redemptive angle (i.e. righting what he now sees as wrongs).

This is only if he's the gravedigger, of course. His depiction in that role in the show is potentially another act of character merging, like what seems to be Arya's taking over Stoneheart's drive/actions.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 02, 2016, 11:14:53 AM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on July 01, 2016, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: faizoff on July 01, 2016, 08:56:09 AM
So is it a big deal if Jon Snow doesn't have silver hair like the other Targaryens? I thought that was the dominant trait of the Targaryens, or did he just inherit his mother's hair gene?

No, many Targaryens did not have silver hair.

Also in book, since we can read Catelyns thoughts as a POV character, we know one reason she really disliked Jon was because he looked so much like a Stark.
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Post by: orcus116 on July 02, 2016, 11:58:06 AM: It's funny you mention that since I just started reading AGOT for the first time and I just finished a chapter where there's a lot of passages about how much she dismisses Jon.

It's odd reading the book after watching the show since I sort of know the main plot points and I usually hate that but at the same time a lot of the background information is clicking since I already have an understanding of how the world is. I have a feeling I would have been overwhelmed with the amount of backstory if I didn't have previous knowledge.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 03, 2016, 02:27:47 AM: Anyway, remember a while back the discussions about the line of succession should Tommen die? all those theories about looking back into the Baratheon line, finding out a common ancestor with Tywin, finding other possible candidates etc.... well, the solution was the simplest one. Cersei became queen because SHE BLEW UP EVERYONE ELSE WITH GODDAMN WILDFIRE :biggrin:
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Post by: Genowyn on July 03, 2016, 07:06:08 AM: Unfortunately that's not how the law in Westeros or any other feudal society works. If any other houses had armies left to fight with (which the Tyrells really ought to, but apparently the Tyrell army hanging out in King's Landing didn't care that Cersei blew up their lords), there would be open rebellion. And there sort of is. See, Robert was ultimately descended from Targaryens meaning that the oaths that the great houses pledged to House Targaryen still bound them to him. Cersei is not descended from Targaryens, meaning the great Houses don't owe her fealty, period.
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Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 03, 2016, 09:26:19 AM: Yeah, the scene of Cersei being crowned was her pushing everyone around to make it happen. The KL populace are still shocked from the explosion; they likely have no idea she's even been crowned in that moment (the timeline is increasingly unclear for these scenes, though). There will definitely be fallout next season. I'm sure she'll have Ser Strong squash some more heads when people question her crowning.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 03, 2016, 11:06:01 PM: Quote from: seasonsinthesky on July 03, 2016, 09:26:19 AM
Yeah, the scene of Cersei being crowned was her pushing everyone around to make it happen. The KL populace are still shocked from the explosion; they likely have no idea she's even been crowned in that moment (the timeline is increasingly unclear for these scenes, though). There will definitely be fallout next season. I'm sure she'll have Ser Strong squash some more heads when people question her crowning.

Look around the scene where she is crowned. It's all Lannister people (check out the colors) who have no option but to be faithful to their liege queen.

Quote from: MirrorMask on July 03, 2016, 02:27:47 AM
Anyway, remember a while back the discussions about the line of succession should Tommen die? all those theories about looking back into the Baratheon line, finding out a common ancestor with Tywin, finding other possible candidates etc.... well, the solution was the simplest one. Cersei became queen because SHE BLEW UP EVERYONE ELSE WITH GODDAMN WILDFIRE :biggrin:

I thought the same thing being someone who share a post of the hierarchy. Funny how that worked out. :lol

Quote from: Genowyn on July 03, 2016, 07:06:08 AM
Unfortunately that's not how the law in Westeros or any other feudal society works. If any other houses had armies left to fight with (which the Tyrells really ought to, but apparently the Tyrell army hanging out in King's Landing didn't care that Cersei blew up their lords), there would be open rebellion. And there sort of is. See, Robert was ultimately descended from Targaryens meaning that the oaths that the great houses pledged to House Targaryen still bound them to him. Cersei is not descended from Targaryens, meaning the great Houses don't owe her fealty, period.

There is open rebellion, just not in Kings Landing where the power is clearly Lannister after blowing up anyone but Olenna who had power over the Tyrells. Next season we will all see how the other families react to this (and we already saw how Tyrell and Martell (Sand) are reacting)
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2016, 09:29:25 AM: One detail I saw pointed out in a meme: with the destruction of the Sept of Baelor, all the leaders of the great houses at the beginning of the series are now dead.

In order of demise:

Jon Arryn, poisoned by the wife
Robert Baratheon, murdered by a pig
Ned Stark, beheaded for "treason"
Tywin Lannister, Elvis death
Balon Greyjoy, thrown off a bridge
Doran Martell, kiled in a coup
Mace Tyrell, nuclear victim
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 05, 2016, 06:30:38 AM: Even other leaders, such as Lord Commander Mormont, Khal Drogo, The King Beyond the Wall, and of course, the beloved Stannis, have perished.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 06, 2016, 01:35:23 PM: https://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-season-7-premiere-date-will-later-usual/
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Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2016, 02:24:21 PM: Sucks, but was expected.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 06, 2016, 02:39:10 PM: Good more time before I need to start taking blood pressure meds again.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 06, 2016, 02:40:06 PM: Still rowin'.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 06, 2016, 02:51:10 PM: The Winds of Winter (the book) won't be out anyway when the delayed season starts :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on July 06, 2016, 02:53:18 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 06, 2016, 02:51:10 PM
The Winds of Winter (the book) won't be out anyway when the delayed season starts :lol

so sad if thats the case, which would also be expected though :sadpanda:
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 06, 2016, 07:54:17 PM: Has anyone else seen the rumors that Winds of Winter would be the last book? I'm sure it's probably just something somebody started, but it keeps popping up.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 06, 2016, 02:40:06 PM
Still rowin'.

:lol I like how they added that at the end of the article.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 06, 2016, 08:59:43 PM: TWoW will definitely not be the final book. Martin's editor said we may even end up with an eigth book.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 06, 2016, 09:34:48 PM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 06, 2016, 08:59:43 PM
TWoW will definitely not be the final book. Martin's editor said we may even end up with an eigth book.

I'd bet $1000 this never happens, at least not written by him. He's yet to finish the 7th book and I give the dude tops 10 years left alive, and that's being nice. Meaning, he will be dead before the 8th book ever was finished.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 06, 2016, 10:07:32 PM: So, I hate to talk about this but let's just say he does pass away, do you think he has someone already picked out to finish writing the series?
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Post by: Progmetty on July 06, 2016, 11:31:21 PM: Elio M. García and Linda Antonsson would be my best guess and I'd be happy with that too.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 07, 2016, 03:16:31 AM: Poor guy, everyone's worried about his health only because he still has to finish the books :biggrin:

Not directed at anyone in this thread, it's a general feeling I see from various comments around the various sites, "Write before you die" basically.

In case he doesn't finish the books I'm not so sure he would pass the torch, maybe he'd rather have it unfinished, I don't remember reading any comments about him, also because it's kinda rude to ask him "What would happen to the books if you'd die?".

Personally, I wish he'd finish the books for himself mainly... I understand that - as Neil Gaimain pointed out - he's not anyone's bitch and that he has to be inspired, feel comfortable etc etc but if not to his fans, he owes it to himself. You started something, finish it!
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Post by: faizoff on July 07, 2016, 03:41:39 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 06, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
https://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-season-7-premiere-date-will-later-usual/
I had a feeling this would happen and had mentioned to it the day before this came out to my coworker. I had a sneaking suspicion the next season would start a little later given it would be a shorter season. I'm just hoping the boxset doesn't get any more delayed than their usual March release.
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Post by: Evermind on July 07, 2016, 04:09:14 AM: I remember he said he won't pass the right to finish the books to anyone, so if he dies, "we're screwed". Of course, that was some time ago and I guess that can change.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 05:48:37 AM: Now I guess since HBO is telling the story and will have the same ending as the books, I guess he wouldn't need to finish writing the series in time.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2016, 05:50:25 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 05:48:37 AM
Now I guess since HBO is telling the story and will have the same ending as the books, I guess he wouldn't need to finish writing the series in time.

I guess he wouldn't need to do anything, but that would be very unfortunate and I'd find that pretty sad if he just let the TV show be the official ending of the story.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 05:57:51 AM: I wonder how many times he's scrapped something he wrote because he hit a dead end. It has to be difficult to keep track of so many characters and having them meet up at the right point.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2016, 06:09:49 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 05:57:51 AM
I wonder how many times he's scrapped something he wrote because he hit a dead end. It has to be difficult to keep track of so many characters and having them meet up at the right point.

Id guess that's the biggest problem with his story. The last two books opened so many new plots and characters that getting to the end of all those intertwined plots would be a very messy web to untangle.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 06:12:57 AM: The last book started out with a handful of new characters, if I remember correctly, one of which didn't appear again to the very end when Sam showed up in Old Town. I'm so curious as to how the next book will start off.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 07, 2016, 09:00:17 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 06, 2016, 08:59:43 PM
TWoW will definitely not be the final book. Martin's editor said we may even end up with an eigth book.
I think that the speculated final title for his series would be 'A Dream of Spring'.

Very fitting, if you ask me.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 07, 2016, 11:31:11 AM: It's not speculation, that's the title that Martin gave for what would be the seventh novel.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 07, 2016, 08:04:03 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 07, 2016, 06:09:49 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on July 07, 2016, 05:57:51 AM
I wonder how many times he's scrapped something he wrote because he hit a dead end. It has to be difficult to keep track of so many characters and having them meet up at the right point.

Id guess that's the biggest problem with his story. The last two books opened so many new plots and characters that getting to the end of all those intertwined plots would be a very messy web to untangle.

just make some room on SS abandoned plotlines with Gendry i reckon.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 07, 2016, 08:29:59 PM: Gendry's eternal boat ride is show-exclusive. He's pretty much wrapped up in the book blacksmithing for the BWB.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 05:33:22 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 07, 2016, 08:29:59 PM
Gendry's eternal boat ride is show-exclusive. He's pretty much wrapped up in the book blacksmithing for the BWB.

I'm assuming since he's with them in the book that is probably where we'll see him next season. Maybe Arya will run into him.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 05:44:03 AM: So what does everyone think of the fan theory that says the whole story of A Song of Ice and Fire is actually a story being read by Sam as a Maester?
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Post by: cramx3 on July 08, 2016, 06:50:49 AM: Quote from: Genowyn on July 07, 2016, 08:29:59 PM
Gendry's eternal boat ride is show-exclusive. He's pretty much wrapped up in the book blacksmithing for the BWB.

Doesn't mean his story is wrapped up. In the show all Baratheons are dead (in book, it seems we can safely assume Stannis dies) so he could still become a legitimized Lord since Arya knows who he is. Or he could just continue with the BWB who also clearly are not done in the story (both show and book).
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2016, 07:16:30 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 05:44:03 AM
So what does everyone think of the fan theory that says the whole story of A Song of Ice and Fire is actually a story being read by Sam as a Maester?
No.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 08, 2016, 01:48:48 PM: (https://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/crop/540x286+0+8/resize/660x350!/format/jpg/quality/85/https://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/4f60b565e29b95fd84b552447b1cde7b/204050047/finding-gendry-540x304.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on July 08, 2016, 02:03:11 PM: :lol

(https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/c9Xo7cimapQ2Rlmwf.Rhvw--/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD0zNjI7dz02NDA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/hello_giggles_454/34fd8c6360f56703cab51776787bc027)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 10, 2016, 09:19:44 AM: Started re-watching the series last night. Hammered out the first four episodes. I definitely understand more of the conversations that are going on now rather than the first time I watched.
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Post by: faizoff on July 10, 2016, 09:35:06 AM: I always mention that to people watching the first time that a lot of the conversations that happen in the first 3 seasons seems kind of arbitrary at times but have a ton of context once you get around the end of season 4. I'm sure it has even more context now with the conclusion of season 6.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 10, 2016, 09:47:33 AM: Quote from: faizoff on July 10, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
I always mention that to people watching the first time that a lot of the conversations that happen in the first 3 seasons seems kind of arbitrary at times but have a ton of context once you get around the end of season 4. I'm sure it has even more context now with the conclusion of season 6.

Even a simple conversation between Ned and Robert when they were talking about Rhaygar and the war made more sense. The first time I watched that I had no idea what they were talking about.

Jon Snow basically being hated from day one at Castle Black because of his privileged background. Totally forgot that.

Arya telling Ned after he outlined a future for her as a wife and mother of many great kids that his vision "wasn't her" and she immediately began balance training after saying that.

Totally forgot Tyrion and Jon had a brief yet meaningful relationship. That could easily come in to play.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the producers have been "telling us" the whole time without us really being able to know it at the time.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 10, 2016, 10:24:30 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 10, 2016, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: faizoff on July 10, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
I always mention that to people watching the first time that a lot of the conversations that happen in the first 3 seasons seems kind of arbitrary at times but have a ton of context once you get around the end of season 4. I'm sure it has even more context now with the conclusion of season 6.

Jon Snow basically being hated from day one at Castle Black because of his privileged background. Totally forgot that.

Totally forgot Tyrion and Jon had a brief yet meaningful relationship. That could easily come in to play.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the producers have been "telling us" the whole time without us really being able to know it at the time.

There are many reunions that I've wondered about, one of which is Jon and Tyrion. I think Tyrion would be extremely proud of how far Jon has come. Tyrion felt really bad for Jon because he was led to believe the Night's Watch was this proud and noble cause. He assumed it was filled with men like his uncle Benjen. Meanwhile he came to see it was filled mostly with Westeros' rejects. They'll definitely see each other again and I'm wondering what Tyrion's reaction will be to finding out about Jon's real parents. Actually, I'm exceedingly curious about everyone's reaction to that.
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Post by: FracturedMirror on July 10, 2016, 12:42:37 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 06, 2016, 10:07:32 PM
So, I hate to talk about this but let's just say he does pass away, do you think he has someone already picked out to finish writing the series?

My hope is that GRRM finishes it; no one else could do it the same. That said, my guess would be Daniel Abraham: https://www.danielabraham.com/books-by-daniel-abraham/the-dagger-and-the-coin/

They live in the same area, they've collaborated on other projects, and GRRM supplied cover blurbs for his Dagger and Coin fantasy series (pretty good books, btw).
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 10, 2016, 01:03:14 PM: Quote from: FracturedMirror on July 10, 2016, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on July 06, 2016, 10:07:32 PM
So, I hate to talk about this but let's just say he does pass away, do you think he has someone already picked out to finish writing the series?

My hope is that GRRM finishes it; no one else could do it the same. That said, my guess would be Daniel Abraham: https://www.danielabraham.com/books-by-daniel-abraham/the-dagger-and-the-coin/

They live in the same area, they've collaborated on other projects, and GRRM supplied cover blurbs for his Dagger and Coin fantasy series (pretty good books, btw).

I purchased the first book in that series. It's on my list.
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Post by: Genowyn on July 10, 2016, 03:03:32 PM: Dagger and Coin is wrapped up now so it's a great time to start.

Wasn't super impressed with the ending but it was a great ride, definitely worth reading.

And if you like D&C be sure to check out his Sci-fi series The Expanse co-written with GRRM's assistant Ty Franck. Abraham also has another fantasy series called The Long Price which I have started on.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 10, 2016, 03:13:43 PM: I watched the scene with Lyanna and Ned about 50 times to see what she whispers into his ear. She starts to say "his name is" and it looks like she says Aerys and then it cuts away to Bran. It would make sense if that was his name since that was the name of grandfather. Watch it and see how her lips move. After she says the name, then what she says is more intelligible. "If Robert finds out, he'll kill him. You know he will. You have to protect him."
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Post by: Adami on July 10, 2016, 03:18:52 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 10, 2016, 03:13:43 PM
I watched the scene with Lyanna and Ned about 50 times to see what she whispers into his ear. She starts to say "his name is" and it looks like she says Aerys and then it cuts away to Bran. It would make sense if that was his name since that was the name of grandfather. Watch it and see how her lips move. After she says the name, then what she says is more intelligible. "If Robert finds out, he'll kill him. You know he will. You have to protect him."

I've read she whispers a 3 syllable name.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2016, 06:05:52 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 10, 2016, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: faizoff on July 10, 2016, 09:35:06 AM
I always mention that to people watching the first time that a lot of the conversations that happen in the first 3 seasons seems kind of arbitrary at times but have a ton of context once you get around the end of season 4. I'm sure it has even more context now with the conclusion of season 6.

Even a simple conversation between Ned and Robert when they were talking about Rhaygar and the war made more sense. The first time I watched that I had no idea what they were talking about.

Jon Snow basically being hated from day one at Castle Black because of his privileged background. Totally forgot that.

Arya telling Ned after he outlined a future for her as a wife and mother of many great kids that his vision "wasn't her" and she immediately began balance training after saying that.

Totally forgot Tyrion and Jon had a brief yet meaningful relationship. That could easily come in to play.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the producers have been "telling us" the whole time without us really being able to know it at the time.

i've rewatched the series multiple time (I'm a bit obsessed and it's my favorite show of all time). There are things I still pick up on that I didn't notice the first x times watching.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 11, 2016, 05:06:20 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 10, 2016, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 10, 2016, 09:47:33 AM
I always mention that to people watching the first time that a lot of the conversations that happen in the first 3 seasons seems kind of arbitrary at times but have a ton of context once you get around the end of season 4. I'm sure it has even more context now with the conclusion of season 6.

I just started reading the first book, and there is a shit ton of foreshadowing in even the first few chapters that I can only appreciate having watched the show. Also, yeah the show helps put a lot of conversations, attitudes etc into context.
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Post by: Chino on July 11, 2016, 06:13:33 AM: (https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/06/07/3c98db30-f301-4fab-a3bb-61ebdafbd237/resize/570xauto/3f064dcb7ac1904c5d43dac1e0d7ff57/hodoor.jpg)
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Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2016, 07:14:18 AM: :lol
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Post by: matthewmatt on July 13, 2016, 01:28:58 PM: Well, since you've started...

(https://forum.maidenfans.com/attachments/image-jpeg.4741/)

Also, apparently the biggest hinge door stopper manufacturer in Czechia has a CEO named Josef Hodor. You just do not make such things up.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 13, 2016, 01:51:07 PM: Anyway, if after six seasons you all forgot how every character is in this mess now...

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Post by: Prog Snob on July 13, 2016, 01:58:44 PM: I thought it was Bran's fault for climbing. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 13, 2016, 02:01:39 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 13, 2016, 01:58:44 PM
I thought it was Bran's fault for climbing. :lol

That also, right after he promised his mother not to.

Screw climate change, the whole series is a reminder of "Listen to what your mother says"!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on July 13, 2016, 02:05:41 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 13, 2016, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on July 13, 2016, 01:58:44 PM
I thought it was Bran's fault for climbing. :lol

That also, right after he promised his mother not to.

Screw climate change, the whole series is a reminder of "Listen to what your mother says"!

Or possibly "however much you want to pork your sister, nothing good ever comes out of it".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: jakepriest on July 13, 2016, 02:21:59 PM: Quote from: matthewmatt on July 13, 2016, 01:28:58 PM
Czechia

please... just don't use this
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2016, 02:23:02 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 13, 2016, 01:58:44 PM
I thought it was Bran's fault for climbing. :lol

I thought it was Littlefinger killing John Aryne

no wait

I thought it was Jamie killing the Mad King

no wait

I thought it was Rheagar banging Lyanna
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on July 13, 2016, 02:26:01 PM: Actually, it's GRRM's fault for writing the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2016, 02:28:40 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on July 13, 2016, 02:26:01 PM
Actually, it's GRRM's fault for writing the books.

bingo :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on July 13, 2016, 02:58:49 PM: Quote from: jakepriest on July 13, 2016, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: matthewmatt on July 13, 2016, 01:28:58 PM
Czechia

please... just don't use this

As long as Germany, Poland, USA etc. have the luxury of having a short geographical designation/label, I insist we have it too. You, sir, don't have to write out "The Czech Republic" each time the country is mentioned. Between the two of us, I would prefer Czechlands myself, but we get what we get...

Also, I'm really curious whether GRRM will try to "outdo" the series, by diverging, having more twists etc or whether he'll keep the book the same as he intended before.If Winds will ever get released, that is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 13, 2016, 03:04:13 PM: Quote from: matthewmatt on July 13, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Also, I'm really curious whether GRRM will try to "outdo" the series, by diverging, having more twists etc or whether he'll keep the book the same as he intended before.If Winds will ever get released, that is.

I remember him commenting about some of the fan theories that were actually true, and the temptation to change it all, but that he couldn't go through with it 'cause the clues would have been still there in the books, so he has to go on as planned.

I wonder how he feels about certains plot points that are now definitively spoiled by the books, like the Hodor thing and Jon's parentage. Other things like Stannis' fate may be different but definitively his fans discovered about Hodor from the TV shows rather than in the book, I expect him to have very mixed feelings about this...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2016, 03:06:19 PM: The writers said the Hodor thing was directly from GRRM so I guess he knew that it would be spoiled.

I'm also very curious if the show ends up having any influence on how he finishes the books. Wether that be to change things, or to use fans reactions to gauge what he should do. Some things are too deep in the books to just change though with all the prophecies and hints.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: matthewmatt on July 13, 2016, 03:08:43 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 13, 2016, 03:04:13 PM
I wonder how he feels about certains plot points that are now definitively spoiled by the books, like the Hodor thing and Jon's parentage. Other things like Stannis' fate may be different but definitively his fans discovered about Hodor from the TV shows rather than in the book, I expect him to have very mixed feelings about this...

I'm still a Stannis fan, so here's hoping for a change of mind... :angel:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 13, 2016, 03:40:40 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 13, 2016, 03:04:13 PM
I wonder how he feels about certains plot points that are now definitively spoiled by the books, like the Hodor thing and Jon's parentage. Other things like Stannis' fate may be different but definitively his fans discovered about Hodor from the TV shows rather than in the book, I expect him to have very mixed feelings about this...

Well IMO it's his own fault. It's not like they just threw together 5 Seasons in seven months and then broadcast them as fast as they could. Dude has had ample time to tell HIS story the way HE wanted to....which he ultimately will....but, I don't think he can begrudge HBO. They've made him a very rich dude. I'm sure the books were popular before the whole HBO thing but HBO took the story and him to a whole different level.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on July 13, 2016, 03:59:11 PM: I'm not sure how it will read in the book but the Hodor thing was pretty impactful just from the way it was filmed. I thought about it the other day and got kind of bummed out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 13, 2016, 04:14:29 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on July 13, 2016, 03:59:11 PM
I'm not sure how it will read in the book but the Hodor thing was pretty impactful just from the way it was filmed. I thought about it the other day and got kind of bummed out.

That young Hodor scene with him freaking out drew some tears out of me....not gonna lie. Just to imagine he's been strapped with that all those years. The way I understood it was that the young Hodor was able to see himself in that moment holding the door and dying? did anyone else understand it that way? Which made me thing Hodor spent his whole life 'knowing' when he was going to die?

Yes....no?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 17, 2016, 08:48:29 AM: I completely forgot Littlefinger double crossed Ned, which led to him being executed. Curious to how things would have shaken out had Littlefingers men backed Ned in the throne room.

Also totally didn't recognize that Renly went to Ned with a pretty good plan to oust the Lannisters and Ned didn't bite.

I really like Ned's character but they make it pretty obvious that he wasn't cut out for the political realm.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 17, 2016, 09:42:38 AM: I'm buying the whole series in blu-ray and I'm about to start a massive re-watch of the whole thing. The quality alone makes it worthwhile. :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: jakepriest on July 17, 2016, 10:35:06 AM: I've just finished rewatching the first season. The feels :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 17, 2016, 06:48:21 PM: Yeah the potential right too bad they dropped the ball over and over

:angel:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 18, 2016, 10:07:00 AM: Quote from: jakepriest on July 17, 2016, 10:35:06 AM
I've just finished rewatching the first season. The feels :sadpanda:
Watching the Stark children so young makes my heart warm. :heart

Bran's puberty hit hard lol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 18, 2016, 10:21:27 AM: Seems like a summer release for season 7 is confirmed by HBO
https://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/18/game-thrones-season-7
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 18, 2016, 11:40:29 AM: As it was expected, it will have only 7 episodes. It's a bummer, but I can totally see each episode being all intense and amazing. I also hope they get to be slightly longer than the normal S01-S06 episodes. Maybe 65-70 minute episodes?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 18, 2016, 09:23:32 PM: I just blew my wad with this announcement (https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=19443) very happy that they're releasing the boxset a lot earlier than I expected. Did not think they'd release it in November less than 4 months away now. A very large number of commentaries and they're switching back to 5 discs, this is going to be fantastic. Now my only wish is that they release the last two episodes on imax. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 19, 2016, 01:27:30 AM: That indeed looks fantastic. Seriously considering buying it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2016, 06:55:39 AM: I've got the first 5 seasons on blu ray so no reason not to get the 6th!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 19, 2016, 06:59:20 AM: Yeah same here, but waiting forever for the next plus the new boxset was always a pain. I'm glad the wait isn't that long for this boxset. Plenty of time to go over everything on it before the new season starts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 19, 2016, 07:34:16 AM: Check this out:

https://www.thegrumpyfish.com/character-dead-game-thrones-will-probably-die-way-books/

SPOILERS, to those who haven't watched Season 5:

Seems like it was George's plan to burn Shireen at the stake all along.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2016, 07:39:39 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 19, 2016, 07:34:16 AM
Check this out:

https://www.thegrumpyfish.com/character-dead-game-thrones-will-probably-die-way-books/

SPOILERS, to those who haven't watched Season 5:

Seems like it was George's plan to burn Shireen at the stake all along.

Yea, the show writers said it was from the books. They said GRRM gave them 3 WTF moments, Shireen burning, "hold the door", and one more we haven't seen yet.

Although I think the circumstances of her burning may be different since the characters are in different places in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 19, 2016, 07:40:31 AM: I'm quite sure that was known right after the episode aired that it was GRRM's idea and not D&D's.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 19, 2016, 07:47:59 AM: I didn't know myself. Sucks for GRRM that the show catched up so harshly with the books, tho.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Genowyn on July 19, 2016, 10:57:30 AM: It will definitely be different in the books. My favorite theory is that Stannis will successfully take Winterfell from Ramsay (because in the books Ramsay is sort of an idiot, not this brilliant military commander/superhero he is in the TV show) and that the Others will have reached and laid siege to Winterfell which prompts Stannis to burn his daughter.

Sounds way better to me :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 20, 2016, 09:22:47 AM: Yeah, it sucks Stannis went down the way he did in the series. He definitely deserved more. Even though, I totally get why the show went that way, given the whole 'Battle of the Bastards' theme was awesome for the big screen. It made more sense, story-wise, to have Stannis recover Winterfell, but I think it was more TV show-like to have Jon Snow get all the glory. I think it's a safe bet to say that GRRM has big things in store for Jon Snow, but the show is doing what it can to make that even greater.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on July 20, 2016, 11:40:27 AM: I don't think Stannis will fully defeat Ramsay or capture Winterfell in the books. Most likely his campaign against the Boltons will be lengthy and messy, but he will eventually go down around halfway or two thirds through the Winds of Winter, at which point resurrected Jon will show up and finish the fight that Stannis laid the groundwork for.

If that were true it would be understandable for them to let Stannis die more quickly and spend the full budget on Jon Snow's battle . It was unfortunate for Stannis though, as his downfall was so rushed.

I'm not sure exactly how reliable the source is, but I remember someone supposedly read an early draft of the script for Season 4 Episode 2 (written by GRRM), and among other things there was a note that "Ramsay's hounds will go up against the Stark direwolves in a season or two, so we should build them up now." If it's true, then that was probably something that got cut due to budget from the Battle of the Bastards, but it shows that it was long expected that Ramsay would come into conflict with a Stark.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2016, 12:05:09 PM: I honestly would be surprised if the Pink letter wasn't legit at this point. (in the books)

And the only thing bad about Stannis' show death was that we didn't see it. Brienne being the one to do it made a lot of sense story wise.

Let's also not forget that show Stannis is very different than book Stannis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 20, 2016, 03:15:13 PM: That would sound like a plan if most Stark direwolves weren't dead lol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 21, 2016, 01:38:27 AM: Well, budgetwise they can have three hundred wights crawling out of the woodwork, but a couple of direwolfs in CGI cost too much.... :coolio
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 15, 2016, 04:30:21 AM: Not really GoT related but here's Ser Davos Spaceworth:

(https://i.imgur.com/0z4BtOT.jpg)
:biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on August 15, 2016, 05:06:01 AM: Also known as the Asteroid Knight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2016, 07:17:27 AM: Is that picture real?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 15, 2016, 01:04:07 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 15, 2016, 07:17:27 AM
Is that picture real?
It's just a screencap from an upcoming space game he's voice acting in, pretty cool to see him in CGI. :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2016, 01:47:19 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 15, 2016, 01:04:07 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 15, 2016, 07:17:27 AM
Is that picture real?
It's just a screencap from an upcoming space game he's voice acting in, pretty cool to see him in CGI. :)

haha ok, thought it looked fake but also looked really realistic. Yea, definitely cool
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 02, 2016, 11:35:41 PM: Working through the series now, just got to Rains of Castamere episode.

What.

The.

Fuck?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2016, 11:41:09 PM: I already knew about that episode's reputation long before I saw it because it was a big deal when it aired, so I was prepared for what was going to happen. Not that it lessened the impact one bit. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 02, 2016, 11:42:31 PM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2016, 11:41:09 PM
I already knew about that episode's reputation long before I saw it because it was a big deal when it aired, so I was prepared for what was going to happen. Not that it lessened the impact one bit. :lol

I knew what was coming, just didn't know exactly who was gonna bite it. Then seeing who was present, I was all "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck"...

Then stabby stabby stabby. Fucking love this show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2016, 11:45:16 PM: Yeah, I didn't know exactly who was getting offed either, or how it was going to happen, so it was still surprising. I just knew that a lot of people were going down spectacularly, and it didn't disappoint.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 02, 2016, 11:47:34 PM: No it didn't :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 03, 2016, 04:03:01 AM: One of the greatest moments in tv-show history I think. I was floored because I knew nothing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2016, 04:06:14 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 03, 2016, 04:03:01 AM
One of the greatest moments in tv-show history I think. I was floored because I knew nothing.

You know nothing, MrBoom_shack-a-lack.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :P I knew many things going in because I only watched the show very recently, so made no attempt to avoid spoilers before that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 03, 2016, 04:13:08 AM: See I was planning on using that joke, felt it worked better if I laid it upp nicely for someone else. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2016, 04:44:38 AM: Well played then. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2016, 07:13:16 AM: Still one of my favorite TV moments ever, because I knew what was coming and my wife didn't. Her reaction was priceless.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on October 03, 2016, 07:23:19 AM: All I knew was that "something" was going down per friends of mine who had read the books. They didn't tell me anything besides to make sure I watched live that night. Went into work the next day and my coworker and I would normally talk GoT every Monday when we got in, but that morning we didn't say a word about it until lunch time because we knew if we started talking about it we wouldn't stop.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 03, 2016, 07:40:28 AM: Watching some of the reaction videos to that scene on YouTube is hilarious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2016, 07:56:03 AM: It really was one of the best moments in TV history.

Even as someone who read and knew what was going to happen.... then the stabbing of the belly (which was not in the books) and the brutality till the end with the slitting of the throat and then silence.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2016, 08:11:00 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 03, 2016, 07:40:28 AM
Watching some of the reaction videos to that scene on YouTube is hilarious.
Well, all of the shit on those videos is what went down in my house that night.

My wife didn't speak to me for a few days because I let her go into that unprepared.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 03, 2016, 08:11:45 AM: :lol

Doghouse?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2016, 08:12:40 AM: Oh yes.

She still gets a look on her face when the subject comes up lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 03, 2016, 08:16:52 AM: So I guess you won't be slow dancing to Rains of Castamere anytime soon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2016, 09:21:55 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 03, 2016, 08:16:52 AM
So I guess you won't be slow dancing to Rains of Castamere anytime soon.
Probably not, no.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 03, 2016, 10:39:21 AM: Women will never understand the romance in fantasy. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on October 03, 2016, 11:26:12 AM: I loved the twitter account that popped up right afterwards too and just spent days retweeting people's reactions.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 15, 2016, 08:15:07 PM: Well the end of Season 5 can just fuck right off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 15, 2016, 08:30:17 PM: Quote from: lonestar on October 15, 2016, 08:15:07 PM
Well the end of Season 5 can just fuck right off.
:lol
Just start season 6 already then.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 15, 2016, 08:33:03 PM: Yup, wanna be caught up by the end of the week so I can watch something else :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 15, 2016, 09:36:59 PM: I forgot you were still playing catch-up. How's that for a season finale?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 16, 2016, 03:21:11 PM: https://wikiofthrones.com/4429/game-of-thrones-actress-faye-marsay-quit-social-media-facing-abuse-playing-waif/

The actress playing the Waif was harassed because her character was mean to Arya Stark.

I mean... in 2016? really? are people THAT stupid to not understand what a television is and what an actor does? I could understand when TV was new and the most iliterate people could not really figure out that the person inside that magic box was portraying a role, but if someone in this day and age does not get what an actor is and what is fiction and what is reality, they should not have a TV... or vote, for that record.

I hate Cersei as much as anyone else, I'd really like to slap her smug smile away from her face, and should I ever meet Lena Headey the last thing that would cross my mind would be to insult her. I would actually compliment her for portraying Cersei in such a great and convincing way.

People are damn dumb.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on October 16, 2016, 09:04:00 PM: Worse shit was done on social media to the black actress from Ghost Busters MirrorMask, what year we're in seemingly doesn't have any effect on dipshits.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 16, 2016, 09:13:59 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 15, 2016, 09:36:59 PM
I forgot you were still playing catch-up. How's that for a season finale?

F'in sucked. They knocked off two of my favorite characters (Jon and Shireen (small bit, but I liked what she portrayed)) and made my most favorite character blind.

I'm passed episode two now, so I know that some of it has been rectified, and I have a feeling they're gonna make Arya see again, but damn that was a sucker punch.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 16, 2016, 11:41:00 PM: Quote from: lonestar on October 16, 2016, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 15, 2016, 09:36:59 PM
I forgot you were still playing catch-up. How's that for a season finale?

F'in sucked. They knocked off two of my favorite characters (Jon and Shireen (small bit, but I liked what she portrayed)) and made my most favorite character blind.

I'm passed episode two now, so I know that some of it has been rectified, and I have a feeling they're gonna make Arya see again, but damn that was a sucker punch.

In the books it really pisses you off. They end Arya's chapter with her going blind. The first paragraph of the next chapter starts with Maester Aemon dying. I was like...I need to put the book down for a little while. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 16, 2016, 11:48:34 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 16, 2016, 03:21:11 PM
https://wikiofthrones.com/4429/game-of-thrones-actress-faye-marsay-quit-social-media-facing-abuse-playing-waif/

The actress playing the Waif was harassed because her character was mean to Arya Stark.

I mean... in 2016? really? are people THAT stupid to not understand what a television is and what an actor does? I could understand when TV was new and the most iliterate people could not really figure out that the person inside that magic box was portraying a role, but if someone in this day and age does not get what an actor is and what is fiction and what is reality, they should not have a TV... or vote, for that record.

I hate Cersei as much as anyone else, I'd really like to slap her smug smile away from her face, and should I ever meet Lena Headey the last thing that would cross my mind would be to insult her. I would actually compliment her for portraying Cersei in such a great and convincing way.

People are damn dumb.

Ugh, yeah, that's stupid. Actors are not their characters. If I ever met them, I'd congratulate them on playing a part that can get such an emotional response out of me, good or bad. The entire Lannister family tree are assholes in the show, but I'd be excited to see any of them in real life. I wouldn't get angry at the guy who plays Jamie for pretend raping his pretend sister as part of his day job. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 12:02:34 AM: As much of a cunt as Cersei is in the show, Lena Headey is doing an amazing job of portraying her as such. It's the actors who play the bad guys that always seem to have the more daunting task, especially if your character's personality changes, like Jaime Lannister. Layered characters are always more fun to watch on screen if you're the type of person that appreciates the acting as well as the story itself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 17, 2016, 12:08:31 AM: During the battle at Blackwater Bay when Cersei was just getting drunk and being a total bitch to Sansa, it takes skill to play such a bitter character with so much class. :lol What's not to love?
And Joffrey. By the end, I was sad to see such a great character go, even though I was glad to see his character get what he deserved.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 17, 2016, 01:09:59 AM: Joffrey's character was so good in the sense that it was the perfect one to hate, but I really couldn't stand him, I don't miss that little d!psh|t at all.

So I guess is Jack Gleeson's merit that I was glad to see a teenage kid dying horribly in front of their helpless parents, I'm an horrible person :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 17, 2016, 01:27:45 AM: Yea the kid playing Joffrey was amazing, never hated a fictional character more than him so that's a testament to brilliant acting. People attacking actors playing villans or mean characters are beyond stupid but i'm not surprised. Stupid people exist and some can't seem to see the diffrence between fiction and reality.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 01:29:23 AM: What about Ramsay? I think he's worse than Joffrey. Joffrey was just a mean spoiled brat. Ramsay is not only straight out mean, he will mind fuck you as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2016, 01:34:36 AM: Pretty sure Joffrey was much more than just a mean spoiled brat. I've met quite a few mean spoiled brats in my day, they didn't murder people and psychologically torture others.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 01:37:34 AM: Yeah, you're right on that. I still feel Ramsay was worse, especially for what he did to his father, stepmother, and brother. I made it smaller because I know RJ is still working his way through it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2016, 01:54:34 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 01:37:34 AM
Yeah, you're right on that. I still feel Ramsay was worse, especially for what he did to his father, stepmother, and brother. I made it smaller because I know RJ is still working his way through it.

I can't really put up a good argument that Joffrey was worse, it's comparing two insanely evil people. Is one worse than the other? Sure, maybe, but they're both still god damn evil.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 01:57:33 AM: Quote from: Adami on October 17, 2016, 01:54:34 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 01:37:34 AM
Yeah, you're right on that. I still feel Ramsay was worse, especially for what he did to his father, stepmother, and brother. I made it smaller because I know RJ is still working his way through it.

I can't really put up a good argument that Joffrey was worse, it's comparing two insanely evil people. Is one worse than the other? Sure, maybe, but they're both still god damn evil.

Agreed.
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Post by: BlackInk on October 17, 2016, 02:12:26 AM: Quote from: Adami on October 17, 2016, 01:34:36 AM
Pretty sure Joffrey was much more than just a mean spoiled brat. I've met quite a few mean spoiled brats in my day, they didn't murder people and psychologically torture others.

Maybe they would have if they had been born into the royal family in a land in which that basically means you can do whatever you want to people.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on October 17, 2016, 04:11:58 AM: Both of their demises were very satisfying, but Ramsay's felt a longer time in coming.

Also, with Joffrey, you pretty much watched the whole thing happen, but with Ramsay a little was left to the imagination, as the camera switched to Sansa walking away with a hint of a smirk on her face. Pretty cool.
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Post by: BlackInk on October 17, 2016, 04:34:58 AM: I liked Ramsey's death, but I was really sad about Joffrey's. I loved his presence on the show and it won't be the same without him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on October 17, 2016, 05:43:16 AM: Quote from: Adami on October 17, 2016, 01:34:36 AM
Pretty sure Joffrey was much more than just a mean spoiled brat. I've met quite a few mean spoiled brats in my day, they didn't murder people and psychologically torture others.

Because they're not kings, I'm pretty sure all you need as a spoiled brat is to be king to start killing and torturing, reaching your full potential as an asshole :lol

Quote from: BlackInk on October 17, 2016, 04:34:58 AM
I liked Ramsey's death, but I was really sad about Joffrey's. I loved his presence on the show and it won't be the same without him.

I'm the exact opposite, Joffrey's presence aggravated the hell out of me, it's like watching a kid with bad parents getting away with shit over and over again. His death wasn't satisfying at all because it wasn't prolonged, back then I actually wished he'd somehow fall captive at the Dreadfort and get the Theon-treatment.
Ramsey was fascinating, a rabid dog with an uncanny mind for strategy. His presence was menacing and somehow the actor was great enough to make me feel as nervous as the people around him in any given scene, I'll miss him a lot.
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Post by: lonestar on October 17, 2016, 09:54:16 AM: From where I'm at, Joffrey was a sniveling little cunt with a lot of power. Ramsay is pure, psychopathic evil. No contest man.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 11:39:30 AM: Yeah...and you haven't even seen the worst yet. :omg:
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 17, 2016, 11:47:58 AM: Joffrey had the excuse of being a young boy who has been spoiled by a mother who happened to be married to the king... which means that he was not a spoiled brat only, but a spoiled brat that would have been taught anyway that the throne would have been his by birthright.

Furthermore because of the incest he has obvious sadistic tendencies, but who knows if growing up he would have matured a bit and changed. He's a bit the Malfoy of the situation, the environment in which he grew up in didn't really give him a chance.
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Post by: lonestar on October 17, 2016, 02:32:11 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 11:39:30 AM
Yeah...and you haven't even seen the worst yet. :omg:

I saw that episode, I'm on 6.3 now. Fucked up man.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 04:28:22 PM: Quote from: lonestar on October 17, 2016, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 11:39:30 AM
Yeah...and you haven't even seen the worst yet. :omg:

I saw that episode, I'm on 6.3 now. Fucked up man.

That's right. It was earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on October 17, 2016, 07:03:41 PM: lonestar are you talking about the "I am Lord Bolton" scene?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 07:07:57 PM: Yes he is
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 17, 2016, 07:09:13 PM: Any news on the date release of the new book? :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 07:12:14 PM: It's still coming out.
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Post by: faizoff on October 17, 2016, 07:35:32 PM: It has the same release date as Half Life 3.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 17, 2016, 07:45:23 PM: So how far ahead are the books in relation to the series. I mean, is there a lot already published that happens after the end of S6? Just curious...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 17, 2016, 08:01:11 PM: Not all of the story lines are at the same point in time in the show. However, most of the show story lines have surpassed the book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 17, 2016, 08:03:36 PM: I've only read the first three books but from what I gather the main plot points of the books are all covered in the show. Since the books aren't written linearly and jump around some of the book story lines lag behind and others are at the same spot as the show. I don't think any of the book storylines used in the show are ahead anymore.
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Post by: orcus116 on October 17, 2016, 08:35:00 PM: There are also several major storylines from books four and five that aren't in the show and there are definitely noticeable changes between the storyline in the books vs the show. That alone has made it kinda of nice to read the books since there is so much new information to digest.
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Post by: faizoff on October 17, 2016, 08:43:40 PM: I've held back reading books 4 & 5 due to the possibility of the show using some of the parts of discarded storylines from the books. Maybe I'll start book 4 after season 7 ends
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 17, 2016, 10:28:52 PM: Just watched the Hodor episode. Fuck this show.
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Post by: Bolsters on October 17, 2016, 10:37:02 PM: :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on October 18, 2016, 05:25:22 AM: Quote from: lonestar on October 17, 2016, 10:28:52 PM
Just watched the Hodor episode. Fuck this show.

Yeah, I know. I never expected he would kill off Hodor, but this is GRRM we're talking about.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 05:57:59 AM: Well, if at all he's being realistic, if he wants to avoid cliches at all costs, he should continue to kill characters up until the very end, and not only at the relative beginning.

Take sports, in real life there are favorite teams losing the final or even the semi final. No one would make a sport movie about a team that loses a final or even the semi-final, but if the "game of thrones" is a tournament, there must be someone that stumbles at the last step.

Maybe Daenerys herself, imagine if she conquers almost all Westeros, and then makes a stupid mistake with King Landing in sight and gets killed because of it. Once again I use sports as a comparison, the equivalent of a favorite football team that loses the final because the so far excellent goalkeeper totally misses a catch in a very slapstick way. It would be interesting at least from a "realistic narrative" standpoint see something like this happen.
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Post by: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:07:54 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Take sports, in real life there are favorite teams losing the final or even the semi final. No one would make a sport movie about a team that loses a final or even the semi-final

8 Men Out
A League of Their Own
Friday Night Lights
Semi-Pro
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 06:16:26 AM: Really? I stand corrected then. I don't really watch sport movies so I had assumed they were not all "in GRR Martin style" and that they focused on the winners.
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Post by: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:20:16 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Well, if at all he's being realistic, if he wants to avoid cliches at all costs, he should continue to kill characters up until the very end, and not only at the relative beginning.

I'm still hoping the White Walkers tear through the wall, ice giants use their huge bows to take down a dragon or two (giving them ice breathing dragons), and then proceed to kill every single character while laying waste to all 7 kingdoms before claiming victory.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 18, 2016, 06:27:29 AM: Quote from: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:07:54 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Take sports, in real life there are favorite teams losing the final or even the semi final. No one would make a sport movie about a team that loses a final or even the semi-final

8 Men Out
A League of Their Own
Friday Night Lights
Semi-Pro

Rocky I

Quote from: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:20:16 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Well, if at all he's being realistic, if he wants to avoid cliches at all costs, he should continue to kill characters up until the very end, and not only at the relative beginning.

I'm still hoping the White Walkers tear through the wall, ice giants use their huge bows to take down a dragon or two (giving them ice breathing dragons), and then proceed to kill every single character while laying waste to all 7 kingdoms before claiming victory.

That would be fucking cool, I was kinda hoping they would have pulled down the giant in the first battle giving us an undead giant.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 18, 2016, 06:29:18 AM: Quote from: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:20:16 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Well, if at all he's being realistic, if he wants to avoid cliches at all costs, he should continue to kill characters up until the very end, and not only at the relative beginning.

I'm still hoping the White Walkers tear through the wall, ice giants use their huge bows to take down a dragon or two (giving them ice breathing dragons), and then proceed to kill every single character while laying waste to all 7 kingdoms before claiming victory.

If the one theory that everyone seems to believe is the one GRRM said was correct, then there won't be a war. There will be a new pact between white walkers and men. It'll be Jon Snow leading that cause.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:37:56 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 18, 2016, 06:29:18 AM
Quote from: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:20:16 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Well, if at all he's being realistic, if he wants to avoid cliches at all costs, he should continue to kill characters up until the very end, and not only at the relative beginning.

I'm still hoping the White Walkers tear through the wall, ice giants use their huge bows to take down a dragon or two (giving them ice breathing dragons), and then proceed to kill every single character while laying waste to all 7 kingdoms before claiming victory.

If the one theory that everyone seems to believe is the one GRRM said was correct, then there won't be a war. There will be a new pact between white walkers and men. It'll be Jon Snow leading that cause.

Wait, the creator spoiled the series? No war will disappoint me :(
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 18, 2016, 06:55:17 AM: He said someone had guessed the ending correctly, but didn't say which theory it was. The one I'm referring to is the one most fans think is correct. So, that's just a theory. :lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 07:05:58 AM: About the Wall, I remember seeing a seemingly official poster teaser for Season 7 that depicted it all coming down. Couldn't find other references and I couldn't tell if it was a very well made fan poster, or an actual tease from HBO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2016, 07:15:02 AM: Quote from: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:37:56 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 18, 2016, 06:29:18 AM
Quote from: Chino on October 18, 2016, 06:20:16 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Well, if at all he's being realistic, if he wants to avoid cliches at all costs, he should continue to kill characters up until the very end, and not only at the relative beginning.

I'm still hoping the White Walkers tear through the wall, ice giants use their huge bows to take down a dragon or two (giving them ice breathing dragons), and then proceed to kill every single character while laying waste to all 7 kingdoms before claiming victory.

If the one theory that everyone seems to believe is the one GRRM said was correct, then there won't be a war. There will be a new pact between white walkers and men. It'll be Jon Snow leading that cause.

Wait, the creator spoiled the series? No war will disappoint me :(

There's plenty of opportunity for war even without the white walkers, if that were true.
Every possible scenario has probably been guessed by now, so it's no spoiler to me that someone must have guessed it right by now. I'm sure it will be awesome regardless.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 18, 2016, 07:20:24 AM: I doubt there's any official promo out from HBO right now for season 7.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 18, 2016, 07:53:58 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 18, 2016, 07:05:58 AM
About the Wall, I remember seeing a seemingly official poster teaser for Season 7 that depicted it all coming down. Couldn't find other references and I couldn't tell if it was a very well made fan poster, or an actual tease from HBO.

This was rumored to be the end of season 6. I expect to see it happen at some point when the WW reach the wall next season.
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Post by: Genowyn on October 19, 2016, 03:02:43 PM: ASOIAF is not about discarding Fantasy tropes but about earning them. The Others will not win, but it will cost the lives of Dany, Jon, and whoever the third head of the dragon is (Tyrion?) to stop them.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 21, 2016, 11:36:41 AM: Potential SPOILER alert:

Joe Dempsie, the actor who played Gendry, has apparently been spotted on set in Spain. Gendry may be almost done rowing.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 21, 2016, 11:41:28 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 21, 2016, 11:36:41 AM
Potential SPOILER alert:

Joe Dempsie, the actor who played Gendry, has apparently been spotted on set in Spain. Gendry may be almost done rowing.

Nice!
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 21, 2016, 11:47:11 AM: He must have HUGE arms by now.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 21, 2016, 01:47:10 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 21, 2016, 11:47:11 AM
He must have HUGE arms by now.
lol
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 22, 2016, 05:02:45 PM: Woah! https://watchersonthewall.com/jon-snow-spotted-filming-major-characters/

There's a photo of Jon and Davos in the same still as a dothraki! Damn...I mean that could happen at the end of the season with the two sides meeting finally, but still. Now we know he goes to see Daenerys. Yes, it was inevitable but my anxiety just tripled. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on October 24, 2016, 11:27:08 PM: Just watched Battle of the Bastards, what a thoroughly brutal and over the top violent episode. Ramsay is a complete cocksucker, and totally got what he deserved.

Edit: Just watched the beginning of 6.10...man, don't fuck with Cersei....
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 25, 2016, 05:25:21 AM: You've crammed so much Game of Thrones into such a short period of time, I'm surprised there haven't been any severe mental repercussions. :lol
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 25, 2016, 07:06:58 AM: That whole episode left me shaking on the couch. The finale was so rewarding, though....
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Post by: faizoff on October 25, 2016, 07:46:14 AM: Quote from: lonestar on October 24, 2016, 11:27:08 PM
Just watched Battle of the Bastards, what a thoroughly brutal and over the top violent episode. Ramsay is a complete cocksucker, and totally got what he deserved.

Edit: Just watched the beginning of 6.10...man, don't fuck with Cersei....
The last two episodes of season six I think by far are my favorite GOT episodes and definitely in the top 5. The first 20 mins of S06ep10 is haunting, hypnotic and just one of the most amazing sequences that I can watch over and over again. Along with the music, it makes for one of the best dramatic TV sequences I've ever seen.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2016, 09:42:17 AM: Yeah, the music is what really sells the scene. It's haunting, delicate but eerie, and guides you through the ever increasing tension. Even before I actually realized what was going to happen, I was already thinking to myself how wonderful the music was. Best piece ever of GoT music, second only to The Bear and the Maiden Fair : P
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Post by: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 10:55:22 AM: OK finished. Hell of a lot to process in that last 30 minutes, especially the implications of Jon being the son of a Stark and a Baratheon (if I got that right). If that is it, then Jon and Denarys are the two forces and illegitamete queen Cersei the total usurper to be dealt with. Just fucking crazy, and awesome.

I fucking love Arya so much, such a great character. Curious to see how she eventually crosses the Mountain off her list. Making the dude eat his own sons before slitting his throat, so fucking cold man.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2016, 11:05:58 AM: Quote from: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 10:55:22 AM
OK finished. Hell of a lot to process in that last 30 minutes, especially the implications of Jon being the son of a Stark and a Baratheon (if I got that right).
A Stark and a Targaryen.
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Post by: faizoff on October 25, 2016, 11:20:03 AM: Quote from: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 10:55:22 AM
OK finished. Hell of a lot to process in that last 30 minutes, especially the implications of Jon being the son of a Stark and a Baratheon (if I got that right). If that is it, then Jon and Denarys are the two forces and illegitamete queen Cersei the total usurper to be dealt with. Just fucking crazy, and awesome.

I fucking love Arya so much, such a great character. Curious to see how she eventually crosses the Mountain off her list. Making the dude eat his own sons before slitting his throat, so fucking cold man.
I think I've seen each season at least 5 times apart from the last season (just twice) it's a lot of fun rewatching the episodes especially the first three seasons because you get very subtle hints of what's to come plus so much foreshadowing the dialogue makes a lot more sense because it has context.
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Post by: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 11:36:44 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2016, 11:05:58 AM
Quote from: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 10:55:22 AM
OK finished. Hell of a lot to process in that last 30 minutes, especially the implications of Jon being the son of a Stark and a Baratheon (if I got that right).
A Stark and a Targaryen.

OK, gotcha, I made an assumption based on Robert's love for her in th he beginning.

So that kinda makes him the true heir, doesn't it?
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 25, 2016, 11:36:49 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2016, 11:05:58 AM
Quote from: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 10:55:22 AM
OK finished. Hell of a lot to process in that last 30 minutes, especially the implications of Jon being the son of a Stark and a Baratheon (if I got that right).
A Stark and a Targaryen.

Yes, Neddard Stargaryen
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 25, 2016, 11:37:23 AM: Quote from: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 11:36:44 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2016, 11:05:58 AM
Quote from: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 10:55:22 AM
OK finished. Hell of a lot to process in that last 30 minutes, especially the implications of Jon being the son of a Stark and a Baratheon (if I got that right).
A Stark and a Targaryen.

OK, gotcha, I made an assumption based on Robert's love for her in th he beginning.

So that kinda makes him the true heir, doesn't it?

It makes him the Song in A Song of Ice and Fire.
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Post by: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 11:46:18 AM: Ohhhhhhhhhh..................
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 25, 2016, 11:53:06 AM: At least that's one of the popular theories.
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Post by: lonestar on October 25, 2016, 11:55:31 AM: Yeah, and the whole coming back from the dead thing would add tremendous credence to it.
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 25, 2016, 12:08:31 PM: I can't wait until next season to see what happens when the dragons arrive and Jon meets Dany.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2016, 12:35:37 PM: DIS GON' BE GUD
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Post by: Prog Snob on October 25, 2016, 12:50:46 PM: Did you see the photo on that link I posted?
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Post by: BlackInk on October 25, 2016, 01:18:23 PM: On the subject of the S06E10 opening scene, I think it's a bit weird to hear piano in the soundtrack to a medieval fantasy, it's like having dubstep in a first world war movie. That said, it is great music and ultimately works I'd say.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 25, 2016, 10:35:49 PM: I didn't find it too weird putting piano with it, since it's medieval inspired high fantasy rather than actual medieval era, but it definitely stood out as different to their norm, and I agree it worked really well. It gave that dramatic feel to the scene where you knew shit was going down and you were just watching it all play out as intended, and made it very unique for the show.
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Post by: home on October 26, 2016, 03:26:40 AM: The piano fitted just perfect in my opinion, it's probably one of my favourite and most dramatic parts partly because of the music.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 26, 2016, 05:16:32 AM: Yea it did feel diffrent, that was also my first thought but it still worked and it did set a nice mood on the opening scene.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 27, 2016, 01:58:47 AM: I remember hearing that first piano chord and immediately getting chills. You just knew shit was about to go down.
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Post by: faizoff on November 16, 2016, 09:40:55 PM: The blu-ray boxset was released yesterday and I picked up my copy from Walmart that came with an exclusive bonus disc. Watching the featurette on the battle of bastards and it's breathtaking that makes me love the episode even more. I'm surprised by how much of the stuff was all real on the battle and how much Kit did his own stunts. All in all an amazing watch, both the episode and the behind the scenes.
Can't wait to dive into the 13 commentaries for this set.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 17, 2016, 07:37:50 AM: Have to pick that up.
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Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2016, 08:14:42 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on November 17, 2016, 07:37:50 AM
Have to pick that up.

Yup, need it for my collection.
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Post by: faizoff on November 17, 2016, 03:13:27 PM: The first commentary I listened to was the season finale's with David and Dan, Lena Headey and Peter Dinklage. It's a hilarious commentary only problem is there are some absurd quiet moments throughout the episode. Love how they talk about other movies and what they want to watch next rather than what's on screen lol.
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Post by: faizoff on November 18, 2016, 09:55:54 AM: Listened to 8 of the 13 so far and they have all been very good, very entertaining to listen to. Favorite one so far is episode 5 'The Door' that has the actors playing Hodor, Meera, Yara and Euron. Yara and Euron hadn't seen the episode before and it's hilarious listening to their reaction as they're watching many of the things unfold.
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Post by: Progmetty on November 20, 2016, 04:23:59 AM: They released the BluRay already? I thought they always did that a couple of month before the new season starts!
Sweet!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2016, 05:37:09 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on November 20, 2016, 04:23:59 AM
They released the BluRay already? I thought they always did that a couple of month before the new season starts!
Sweet!

yea it feels a bit early this year and also odd due to the later release of season 7
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on November 20, 2016, 05:53:58 PM: Normally the blu ray is released in March about a month before the new season but like mentioned season seven isn't coming in April next year so they are releasing this early in time for the holidays. This also makes it two releases in one year. We might not get a Blu-ray release next year.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 16, 2017, 06:44:17 AM: (https://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy197/gmillerdrake/3466A7DF-48EC-481E-8B5B-5D91E10EA678.jpg) (https://s791.photobucket.com/user/gmillerdrake/media/3466A7DF-48EC-481E-8B5B-5D91E10EA678.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on February 16, 2017, 06:47:39 AM: I'm getting excited!
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Post by: Podaar on February 16, 2017, 06:58:49 AM: That is either fan art or a huge spoiler, Gary. Where did you get it?
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Post by: BlackInk on February 16, 2017, 07:01:36 AM: Pretty sure it's fan art. I think I've seen it before. Still really cool though.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 16, 2017, 07:03:07 AM: Quote from: Podaar on February 16, 2017, 06:58:49 AM
That is either fan art or a huge spoiler, Gary. Where did you get it?

My brother in law sent it to me via text.
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Post by: Podaar on February 16, 2017, 07:07:00 AM: Yeah, I went digging and found it. That is fan art. *whew*
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Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 07:13:24 AM: :lol I was about to say, wow the fan theory of ice dragons is true! Kind of glad to see it is just fan art. Not sure I'd like ice dragons introduced so late in the show when Dany's dragons have been so important to the storyline. I like the idea of the white walkers themselves being the anti dragons and vice versa.
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Post by: Chino on February 16, 2017, 09:57:11 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on October 25, 2016, 12:08:31 PM
I can't wait until next season to see what happens when the dragons arrive and Jon meets Dany.

I want to see ice giants take down a dragon with one of their giant bows, and resurrect it as an ice dragon.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 16, 2017, 11:44:42 AM: About dragons, the Three Eyed Raven told Bran "You will never walk again, but you will fly"... can we take it as a giveaway that he will warg into a dragon?
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 16, 2017, 11:52:08 AM: Quote from: ReaperKK on February 16, 2017, 06:47:39 AM
I'm getting excited!
Yea the itch is starting to grow, can't believe it's almost a year since the last season. After every season finale it's always a bit heavy when you realise you have to wait a year until the next season. Now here we are, a couple of months left, excellent! :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on February 16, 2017, 01:15:39 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on February 16, 2017, 11:44:42 AM
About dragons, the Three Eyed Raven told Bran "You will never walk again, but you will fly"... can we take it as a giveaway that he will warg into a dragon?

A very popular theory
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Post by: Grappler on February 21, 2017, 07:11:15 AM: I watched all six seasons within the first 6-7 weeks of this year. To say that I'm completely obsessed with the show and can't wait for season 7 to start is a severe understatement.

I am still reeling from certain things though.....Hodor!
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 21, 2017, 07:43:18 AM: Quote from: Grappler on February 21, 2017, 07:11:15 AM
I watched all six seasons within the first 6-7 weeks of this year. To say that I'm completely obsessed with the show and can't wait for season 7 to start is a severe understatement.

We feel you.

Quote from: Grappler on February 21, 2017, 07:11:15 AM
I am still reeling from certain things though.....Hodor!

We feel you.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 27, 2017, 05:19:47 AM: RIP Mag the Mighty...for real....

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-thrones-actor-neil-fingleton-dies-36-211400051.html
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Post by: ReaperKK on February 27, 2017, 08:58:57 AM: Sad news . . .
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 09, 2017, 01:20:14 PM: S07 July 16th! Can't wait!! :metal

https://www.facebook.com/GameOfThrones/videos/10154555382832734/
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Post by: BlackInk on March 09, 2017, 01:40:17 PM: I fly to New York the same day this airs so I might have to wait 4 weeks after the premiere before I can see it. But 4 episodes at once when I get home isn't bad either. I am beyond excited for this.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2017, 01:42:41 PM: Yep yep
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2017, 01:59:35 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on March 09, 2017, 01:40:17 PM
I fly to New York the same day this airs so I might have to wait 4 weeks after the premiere before I can see it. But 4 episodes at once when I get home isn't bad either. I am beyond excited for this.

It'll be hard to avoid spoilers. That's the only problem with this show and not watching it on time. I find it's worse than other shows in terms of turning on the internet and potentially being spoiled.

July 7th can't come soon enough
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Post by: faizoff on March 09, 2017, 03:11:06 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 09, 2017, 01:20:14 PM
S07 July 7! Can't wait!! :metal

https://www.facebook.com/GameOfThrones/videos/10154555382832734/

It's July 16th....

other than that FUCK YES!!!
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 09, 2017, 03:22:38 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 09, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: BlackInk on March 09, 2017, 01:40:17 PM
I fly to New York the same day this airs so I might have to wait 4 weeks after the premiere before I can see it. But 4 episodes at once when I get home isn't bad either. I am beyond excited for this.

It'll be hard to avoid spoilers. That's the only problem with this show and not watching it on time. I find it's worse than other shows in terms of turning on the internet and potentially being spoiled.

Really, it's the most spoiler-y show ever. I'm in Italy and I see people commenting it in the morning, I don't know if they stay up all night or torrent it immediately after, just have the common decency to wait until at least the day after to make gigantic Facebook posts about it.

Actually I would be willing and able to wait until a season is over to watch it, I like to watch shows once they're all aired without having to check in weekly at the same day and at the same hour, but with Game of Thrones I have to watch it ASAP otherwise everything is common knowledge already.
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Post by: faizoff on March 09, 2017, 03:35:32 PM: It's almost impossible to avoid the spoilers on this show, if you don't watch it live, you'll have to tread ever so lightly. For me I'd say it's not possible at all if I don't watch it right away. Almost everyone seems to be talking about it if not online then everyone around me at work. So I've always made it a point to watch it live.
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Post by: ReaperKK on March 09, 2017, 03:39:16 PM: If you don't watch the show live I can't go on facebook until I do, so many of my friends watch it and post about it immediately.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on March 09, 2017, 03:48:55 PM: So many of my friends post on facebook while watching the show live, don't know why you'd want to live commentate for this show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 09, 2017, 04:23:11 PM: Quote from: faizoff on March 09, 2017, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 09, 2017, 01:20:14 PM
S07 July 7! Can't wait!! :metal

https://www.facebook.com/GameOfThrones/videos/10154555382832734/

It's July 16th....

other than that FUCK YES!!!
Oupps, yea my bad. Was a bit too excited. :P
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 09, 2017, 06:04:23 PM: It needs to by july
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 09, 2017, 06:56:56 PM: So yeah, anyone else waiting to read all the books before watching the show? :sadpanda:
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Post by: BlackInk on March 09, 2017, 10:58:10 PM: No, considering that could take x amount of years/decades. Had the books been released at a quicker pace then maybe I'd consider it, but at this pace it may be 10 years before the book series end.
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Post by: Bolsters on March 09, 2017, 11:03:59 PM: I'm doing it the other way around. I'll go back and read the books once the show has finished.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 10, 2017, 03:19:50 AM: Quote from: Bolsters on March 09, 2017, 11:03:59 PM
I'm doing it the other way around. I'll go back and read the books once the show has finished.

In my experience, this way makes you appreciate both more.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2017, 09:23:36 AM: I watched the first season, then read all four (at the time) novels before season two.
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Post by: faizoff on March 10, 2017, 12:44:14 PM: I read the first three books after season 4 ended and will read the rest when the show is done.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 10, 2017, 12:57:21 PM: No offense towards Martin but I'll consider reading the books only if the saga will be complete. No way after having the show in mind I will start reading a saga of 400k pages if it won't have an end.
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Post by: Podaar on March 10, 2017, 01:01:44 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on March 10, 2017, 12:57:21 PM
No offense towards Martin but I'll consider reading the books only if the saga will be complete. No way after having the show in mind I will start reading a saga of 400k pages if it won't have an end.

I get why you would feel that way, but... oh boy are you missing out. They are some of the best books ever written, IMO.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2017, 03:27:42 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2017, 09:23:36 AM
I watched the first season, then read all four (at the time) novels before season two.

Same but between season 2 and 3. I didn't watch season 1 when it originally aired, I caught it about a month before season 2 aired.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:16:40 PM: July 16th. Awesome.

As far as reading the books. I started reading them after season 1.
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Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 10:19:17 PM: Looks like I need to find someone's HBOGO account to use.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:22:28 PM: There are plenty of places to stream it online, too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 10:25:41 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:22:28 PM
There are plenty of places to stream it online, too.

Probably, but it'd be cooler to watch on a 60 inch tv than a laptop monitor.

I used to use my exes, but she lives in DC and they got wise to it and cut me off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:27:28 PM: That's what HDMI cables are for. ;)
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Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 10:29:25 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:27:28 PM
That's what HDMI cables are for. ;)

Then how can I read lots of online stuff and ignore the show if I'm not on my laptop??!?!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:36:05 PM: If you're ignoring Game of Thrones to look at something else, you don't deserve to watch it. Just gouge out your eyes now and mail them to me so I can add them to my collection.
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Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 10:48:51 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
If you're ignoring Game of Thrones to look at something else, you don't deserve to watch it. Just gouge out your eyes now and mail them to me so I can add them to my collection.

But if I don't ignore GoT, how can I complain about what I'm "watching"?
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:50:29 PM: (https://new2.fjcdn.com/pictures/Eye_807044_417137.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 10:56:18 PM: Tried it. Eyes kept growing back. No clue what the deal is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2017, 10:58:43 PM: You're doing it wrong. Let me do it for you. I promise your eyes won't grow back.
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Post by: Adami on March 11, 2017, 11:29:31 PM: Yes please!

:o
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on March 12, 2017, 09:21:43 PM: Season 8 confirmed to be just six episodes by David and Dan. Can't believe only 13 more episodes left. Next year will be it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on March 13, 2017, 02:30:15 AM: It's a pity not all seasons are equal length, but if the story demands exactly those episodes, so be it.

I just hope it won't all feel immensely rushed, there's so much stuff to happen, but then again we don't know how it all ends so maybe 13 episodes are exactly what it needs. For sure Dany must meet Jon Snow somehow, and at the very least attempt to reach King's Landing, and the White Walkers have to break through the Wall, if not tear it down completely.
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Post by: soupytwist on March 13, 2017, 03:11:33 AM: There's bound to be some extended episodes and the finale may even be double length - I wouldn't be surprised if there is close to 15 hours of viewing remaining. To put that into perspective the fully maximum extended cuts of the LoTR's only creeps over 12 hours, I doubt it'll feel rushed.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2017, 07:24:10 AM: I think it's definitely going to feel rushed. The show has slowly upped the pace every season. Last season was nuts how fast everything was happening and with only 13 more episodes and so much to still happen, I very much believe it will feel rushed. That doesn't mean bad, but I think we get less of those slow dialogue moments and more to the point action.
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Post by: ariich on March 13, 2017, 07:35:04 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on March 13, 2017, 02:30:15 AM
there's so much stuff to happen
Quote from: cramx3 on March 13, 2017, 07:24:10 AM
so much to still happen
How do we know how much there is still to happen? We're in unchartered territory now.

I very much get the impression that the show-runners essentially had 7 seasons mapped out (and I remember seeing something at least a couple of years ago that said they were looking at doing 7 seasons), but what they had planned for the final season was too much to fit into 10 episodes. So to avoid it being too rushed/crammed, they upped the episodes and decided to split in two, rather than have a longer final season.

And I certainly have no problem with them keeping up the pace like in season 6. Season 5 was such a drag.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 13, 2017, 09:56:05 AM: They had always thought that they could tell the entire story in 72 or 73 hours, so it seems like everything is going according to the original plan.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 13, 2017, 10:04:55 AM: I have no doubt the creators could take as many episodes as they wanted, and HBO would be happy to oblige. If they say they only need 13 episodes to wrap it up, I trust them. Better to focus on making those episodes everything they can be than stretch it out for the sake of being a full length season and end up with filler.
And I think 13 episodes should be enough for them to tie things up. Yeah, there's a lot going on, but once the plots all come together and more characters get offed, it should work out about right.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 13, 2017, 10:12:22 AM: Oh HBO would definetely give them more if they wanted to. I remember reading somewhere that HBO actually asked them to make more episodes, like to do 9 seasons, but Dan and David said no.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2017, 10:13:59 AM: Quote from: ariich on March 13, 2017, 07:35:04 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on March 13, 2017, 02:30:15 AM
there's so much stuff to happen
Quote from: cramx3 on March 13, 2017, 07:24:10 AM
so much to still happen
How do we know how much there is still to happen? We're in unchartered territory now.

Just looking at the distances everyone is from each other, it makes it easy to believe that ending all the storylines in a cohesive matter will be at a much quicker pace compared to how the previous seasons have played out. I thought season 6 may have been the best because it was so fast paced so I am not saying it's bad, but it still has me feeling there is a lot that still needs to happen in the show. Plus without source material, it's easier for them to just focus on the main storylines that have been brewing the whole time instead of introducing new ones like GRRM kept doing..
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Post by: ariich on March 13, 2017, 01:55:27 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 13, 2017, 10:13:59 AM
Just looking at the distances everyone is from each other, it makes it easy to believe that ending all the storylines in a cohesive matter will be at a much quicker pace compared to how the previous seasons have played out.
Do you mean physical distances? Because the show has always had a ton of time-jumps that mean people travel halfway across the world in seconds. :lol
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Post by: Grappler on March 13, 2017, 02:01:33 PM: Quote from: ariich on March 13, 2017, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 13, 2017, 10:13:59 AM
Just looking at the distances everyone is from each other, it makes it easy to believe that ending all the storylines in a cohesive matter will be at a much quicker pace compared to how the previous seasons have played out.
Do you mean physical distances? Because the show has always had a ton of time-jumps that mean people travel halfway across the world in seconds. :lol

I love that. I don't need to see numerous episodes of armies marching or characters traveling from place to place. I like that the distances are traveled off screen or between episodes, leaving the characters to interact with each other on screen.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2017, 02:11:02 PM: Quote from: ariich on March 13, 2017, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on March 13, 2017, 10:13:59 AM
Just looking at the distances everyone is from each other, it makes it easy to believe that ending all the storylines in a cohesive matter will be at a much quicker pace compared to how the previous seasons have played out.
Do you mean physical distances? Because the show has always had a ton of time-jumps that mean people travel halfway across the world in seconds. :lol

I do and yes the show has gotten over that, but thats something they've been doing more and more as the show goes on sort of how the pace has gotten faster. I think there's a relationship here.
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Post by: Progmetty on March 15, 2017, 10:31:57 PM: Anyone been to GoT concert experience? I'm getting tickets for one of the shows and trying to decide where would be a good spot to watch the show. On one hand I wanna be able to see the musicians playing but also it seems from the videos I've seen on youtube that the overhead screens are pretty huge and high, which could mean I'd be better off with further out seats.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 16, 2017, 03:27:31 AM: Looks and sounds like an Awesome experience!
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Post by: Progmetty on March 16, 2017, 11:02:35 PM: Just got back from the show, it was spectacular!
Amazing musicians, some cool pyro and a great run down memory lane of the past 6 seasons.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 23, 2017, 04:27:20 PM: Can't wait!

(https://i.redd.it/aqcgy5hafazy.jpg)
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 23, 2017, 06:23:20 PM: Well, you know I'm a sucker for those blue eyes.

:neverusethis:
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Post by: BlackInk on May 24, 2017, 02:08:42 AM: Damn, so am I. This is what I've been waiting for for so long.
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 24, 2017, 05:05:23 AM: I can't wait!
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Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2017, 05:13:56 AM: Hardest time of the year for me. First trailer for season 7 has dropped and I'm doing my absolute best not to watch it...
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 25, 2017, 05:17:42 AM: Yea i'm also staying as far away from that as possible. Going into the new season all fresh as I always do. :tup
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 25, 2017, 05:19:33 AM: I watched the trailer yesterday on YouTube. I was Hillary-seeing-balloons-for-the-first-time excited.

(https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Hillary-got-a-little-bit-too-excited-Imgur.gif)
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Post by: chknptpie on May 25, 2017, 07:32:56 AM: I'm sooooo excited but sooooo worried about my favorite characters lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2017, 07:47:28 AM: The trailer was sick, this season is going to be intense.

Quote from: chknptpie on May 25, 2017, 07:32:56 AM
I'm sooooo excited but sooooo worried about my favorite characters lol

Like who? I feel like even though we are coming to an end, what characters can actually die at this point? Would they kill off any of the remaining Starks? Jon and Dany can't die right? Maybe Tyrion? I guess some other characters like Davos, Theon, Queen of Thornes, Grey Worm are all candidates. And then obviously you have to think Cersei will die at some point, maybe Jamie too?
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 25, 2017, 07:55:00 AM: Can't wait. Going to start re-watching last season tonight!
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Post by: chknptpie on May 25, 2017, 12:53:31 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 25, 2017, 07:47:28 AM
The trailer was sick, this season is going to be intense.

Quote from: chknptpie on May 25, 2017, 07:32:56 AM
I'm sooooo excited but sooooo worried about my favorite characters lol

Like who? I feel like even though we are coming to an end, what characters can actually die at this point? Would they kill off any of the remaining Starks? Jon and Dany can't die right? Maybe Tyrion? I guess some other characters like Davos, Theon, Queen of Thornes, Grey Worm are all candidates. And then obviously you have to think Cersei will die at some point, maybe Jamie too?

I think anyone/everyone is fair game.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2017, 02:34:18 PM: Jon, Dany and Tyrion will reach the end of the series IMO. Not to say all of them will survive, but if they die, it will be at the very end, like (Spoiler for a decades old book and anyway already aired trilogy of movies) Thorin in the Hobbit.

I don't see Cersei biting the bullet this season either, even though maybe it could be a shocking finale for the season.

I wonder how far GRRM would go into killing of characters. In the grand scheme of things, we can say that now that we know who the real protagonists or even survivors are, it wasn't that absurd and done just for shock value to have the early protagonists killed. Can you imagine Dany dying in a very stupid way just before she makes her final move on King's Landing? the equivalent of having a sports movie about a team that loses out of nowhere the semi-finals. Not even the final match, which could be an interesting choice for a movie, just in the semi-finals, like after all happens all the time... there are are so many people that stumble not on the last step, but sometimes one or two steps before.
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Post by: Podaar on May 25, 2017, 04:32:12 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp73CJyCp5Q
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Post by: chknptpie on May 25, 2017, 05:11:51 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 25, 2017, 02:34:18 PM
Jon, Dany and Tyrion will reach the end of the series IMO. Not to say all of them will survive, but if they die, it will be at the very end, like (Spoiler for a decades old book and anyway already aired trilogy of movies) Thorin in the Hobbit.

I don't see Cersei biting the bullet this season either, even though maybe it could be a shocking finale for the season.

I wonder how far GRRM would go into killing of characters. In the grand scheme of things, we can say that now that we know who the real protagonists or even survivors are, it wasn't that absurd and done just for shock value to have the early protagonists killed. Can you imagine Dany dying in a very stupid way just before she makes her final move on King's Landing? the equivalent of having a sports movie about a team that loses out of nowhere the semi-finals. Not even the final match, which could be an interesting choice for a movie, just in the semi-finals, like after all happens all the time... there are are so many people that stumble not on the last step, but sometimes one or two steps before.

Rocky lost in the first movie and it worked *shrug*
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 26, 2017, 05:17:52 AM: I can't wait, I'm so excited. So many questions on what is going to happen.
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Post by: Prog Snob on May 26, 2017, 05:25:06 AM: And ice dragon will sit upon the Iron Throne.
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Post by: faizoff on June 08, 2017, 10:13:31 PM: The episode lengths are sort of confirmed (https://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-season-7-running-times-revealed-record-length-season-finale-included/#more-145256) and they are on average quite long episodes with the last two being the longest in GOT history. I really can't wait for the season to start

Episode 1: 59 minutes.
Episode 2: 59 minutes.
Episode 3: 63 minutes.
Episode 4: 50 minutes.
Episode 5: 59 minutes.
Episode 6: 71 minutes.
Episode 7: 81 minutes.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 01:04:18 AM: Well, pretend all episodes should be 50 minutes long, and you kinda have an 8th episode here and there with all the extra time.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 09, 2017, 01:38:14 AM: Oh man, my hype is starting to reach critical levels. :chill
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 09, 2017, 05:12:16 AM: Now to wait for the episode titles.
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Post by: Chino on June 09, 2017, 06:09:52 AM: I just want to see an ice dragon.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 09, 2017, 07:11:47 AM: Predictions for the final 2 seasons?

- I think and John and Dany will share the throne as king and queen
- I think Cersei will be killed by Jamie
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 07:15:26 AM: Plot wise, the Others must invade Westeros, probably tearing down the Wall in the process.

Dany will at the very least try to conquer King's Landing, and for sure she'll try to find allies, so probably she'll go to Dorne and she may eventually meet Jon.

Probably the foretold prophecy about Cersei will come true, and Jaimie will be both a Kingslayer and a Queenslayer.

Tyrion will drink and know things.
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Post by: Chino on June 09, 2017, 07:20:46 AM: I'm willing to bet Cersei kills Jaimie.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 09, 2017, 07:21:36 AM: Jon will negotiate a pact with The Others.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2017, 07:42:56 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 09, 2017, 07:11:47 AM
- I think and John and Dany will share the throne as king and queen
- I think Cersei will be killed by Jamie

These two things...
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 07:45:49 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 09, 2017, 07:21:36 AM
Jon will negotiate a pact with The Others.

That was by far the most intriguing and well thought theory I've ever read, and way more interesting than the happy ending with the rightful heir (s) sitting on the Throne.
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Post by: chknptpie on June 09, 2017, 07:50:05 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 07:15:26 AM

Dany will at the very least try to conquer ~~King's Landing~~Casterly Rock, and for sure she'll try to find allies, so probably she'll go to Dorne and she may eventually meet Jon.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 09, 2017, 08:13:49 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 09, 2017, 07:45:49 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 09, 2017, 07:21:36 AM
Jon will negotiate a pact with The Others.

That was by far the most intriguing and well thought theory I've ever read, and way more interesting than the happy ending with the rightful heir (s) sitting on the Throne.

Some think that is the theory that GRRM was referring to when he said one of the reddit fans correctly guessed the ending.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 12:17:54 PM: Jaime is almost certainly going to kill Cersei at some point. I'm guessing by season's end, but maybe not until next season.

Dany and Dorne will work their way north (I assume she would land in Dorne), looks like she is in Dragonstone in the trailer. Not sure if she will take King's Landing by season's end, but she will be close.

The Others take down the wall and make their way to Winterfell. I think Jon is going to have some issues with Littlefinger. I dont think we see a battle or deal yet with the Others. I think that's the final season.

Bran tells Jon about him.
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Post by: Chino on June 09, 2017, 12:21:13 PM: I really feel like Jaimie killing Cersei is far too predictable. Nothing in this show has been predictable.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 12:26:09 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 09, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
I really feel like Jaimie killing Cersei is far too predictable. Nothing in this show has been predictable.

Well just as predictable as King Tommen dying. But Jamie's storyline with Cersei has been brewing for so long. While I can see a few more twists happening, the plots have been moving in certain directions for awhile now. To just change things at the end for shock doesn't seem likely. Same with Jon not dying, the books and all the prophecies would have all been meaningless if he were to just die. I think this is sort of similar, but on a smaller level.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2017, 05:36:34 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
Jaime is almost certainly going to kill Cersei at some point. I'm guessing by season's end, but maybe not until next season.

I think he'll do it to save his brother from Cersei.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 12, 2017, 06:17:29 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 12, 2017, 05:36:34 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
Jaime is almost certainly going to kill Cersei at some point. I'm guessing by season's end, but maybe not until next season.

I think he'll do it to save his brother from Cersei.

Last time he offered his opinion on the matter, Jaimie said "He killed my father. If I ever see him again, I'll kill him". Of course that could have been the bitterness and hurting of the moment, and over time he may forgive Tyrion, but I wonder how much he really meant it.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2017, 06:19:22 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 12, 2017, 06:17:29 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 12, 2017, 05:36:34 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 09, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
Jaime is almost certainly going to kill Cersei at some point. I'm guessing by season's end, but maybe not until next season.

I think he'll do it to save his brother from Cersei.

Last time he offered his opinion on the matter, Jaimie said "He killed my father. If I ever see him again, I'll kill him". Of course that could have been the bitterness and hurting of the moment, and over time he may forgive Tyrion, but I wonder how much he really meant it.

Jaime has changed much since then also. I think he would rather not be responsible for either of his siblings' deaths, but if one went to kill the other I think he would defend the intended victim.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 12, 2017, 06:39:48 AM: I agree with you... however, for Cersei and Tyrion seeing each other again, that means that Dany should be there as well. Tyrion is Dany's hand now, let's say Dany conquers King's Landing or storms it or even puts a siege on it... why would Tyrion be allowed or would even want to go in front of Cersei? it's a bit too convenient, for a story so bent on avoiding tropes, to have Dany and Tyrion entering the throne room with Cersei and Jaimie waiting for them.

Also, will there even be a throne room to break into? that's the good of the series, we can't even know for sure if there will be a decisive battle for King's Landing, since the White Walkers might as well screw everything and everyone over.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2017, 06:42:31 AM: I'm not saying Tyrion's going to voluntarily appear before Cersei. I'm thinking that once she finds out he's back in Westeros she'll send people looking for him. You don't think she'll offer a significant bounty for his head?
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Post by: Chino on June 12, 2017, 06:43:13 AM: This may be a stupid question, but does Dany know that Tyrion and Cersei are siblings?
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 12, 2017, 06:58:29 AM: I'm sure she does. She was raised with the knowledge of her home land. I don't think it specifically says so in the book but one can assume she knows all about the Lannister family, the family that was partially responsible for usurping the throne.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 14, 2017, 04:21:12 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 09, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
I really feel like Jaimie killing Cersei is far too predictable. Nothing in this show has been predictable.
Maggy the Frog's prophecy involves Jaime killing Cersei. It's expected, but it's pretty cool to see how everything that was foreseen is slowly happening.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 15, 2017, 05:33:18 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 14, 2017, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 09, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
I really feel like Jaimie killing Cersei is far too predictable. Nothing in this show has been predictable.
Maggy the Frog's prophecy involves Jaime killing Cersei. It's expected, but it's pretty cool to see how everything that was foreseen is slowly happening.

Well technically it's uncertain weather it's her "little" brother meaning Tyrion, her younger brother meaning Jaime since he was born moments before her, OR The Hound in a trial by combat.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2017, 07:27:25 AM: Didn't read the book but the impression I have from seeing the issue discusses is that for the character Cersei it's obvious that the little brother is Tyrion, but an astute reader won't go over the detail of Jaimie being technically the younger brother and therefore a fitting candidate to the prophecy.

Anyway, I hate prophecies in literature, they rob every character of free will - which, for the record, they don't have, 'cause they're just characters and the autor is writing them, but it's something I'm trying to forget when I'm immersed in reading... so I'm already reading a book that has all the pages printed (or, if you want, watching a movie where all the scenes have been filmed), I'm trying to pretend they're real characters, and in the story you put a plot device that tells how everything is already written no matter what? bleah.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 15, 2017, 01:08:25 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 15, 2017, 05:33:18 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 14, 2017, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 09, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
I really feel like Jaimie killing Cersei is far too predictable. Nothing in this show has been predictable.
Maggy the Frog's prophecy involves Jaime killing Cersei. It's expected, but it's pretty cool to see how everything that was foreseen is slowly happening.

Well technically it's uncertain weather it's her "little" brother meaning Tyrion, her younger brother meaning Jaime since he was born moments before her, OR The Hound in a trial by combat.
True, but I reckon it would make much more sense given that all her children were fathered by Jaime. He gave her children, she watched them all die and the cherry on top is having him being her end. Yeah, it's kinda expected, but it would make so much sense.

Either way, it can't wait to see what happens. It's kinda exciting for us show fans that the events of season 7 will be completely new to both fans of the show and fans of the novels. This is the first time in YEARS that we will get hours of new Westeros content.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 19, 2017, 05:31:51 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 15, 2017, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 15, 2017, 05:33:18 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 14, 2017, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: Chino on June 09, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
I really feel like Jaimie killing Cersei is far too predictable. Nothing in this show has been predictable.
Maggy the Frog's prophecy involves Jaime killing Cersei. It's expected, but it's pretty cool to see how everything that was foreseen is slowly happening.

Well technically it's uncertain weather it's her "little" brother meaning Tyrion, her younger brother meaning Jaime since he was born moments before her, OR The Hound in a trial by combat.
True, but I reckon it would make much more sense given that all her children were fathered by Jaime. He gave her children, she watched them all die and the cherry on top is having him being her end. Yeah, it's kinda expected, but it would make so much sense.

Either way, it can't wait to see what happens. It's kinda exciting for us show fans that the events of season 7 will be completely new to both fans of the show and fans of the novels. This is the first time in YEARS that we will get hours of new Westeros content.

Less than a month to go! :metal
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 21, 2017, 01:31:50 PM: New trailer! Good lord this looks amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlhnt0jMlg
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 21, 2017, 01:57:21 PM: I was just about to post it. Damn...it looks glorious.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 21, 2017, 06:48:12 PM: Hot damn that good ass trailer. I can't wait :metal
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Post by: faizoff on June 21, 2017, 08:21:08 PM: Just over 3 weeks to go, seriously can't wait.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2017, 09:51:29 AM: That trailer is intense. A lot of focus on Littlefinger in that one, I'm thinking he is going to get himself killed this season. He will cross the Starks and it will be the first time his playing both sides catches up to him.
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Post by: kaos2900 on June 22, 2017, 10:51:47 AM: So I was thinking, there are still wars to come. The war for the iron throne and war for humanity against the white walkers. Based on that trailer, I'm wondering if most of this season will be the war for the throne and that we'll see the end of Cersei in the season finale.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2017, 11:27:09 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on June 22, 2017, 10:51:47 AM
So I was thinking, there are still wars to come. The war for the iron throne and war for humanity against the white walkers. Based on that trailer, I'm wondering if most of this season will be the war for the throne and that we'll see the end of Cersei in the season finale.

That's my guess as well
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2017, 11:48:43 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 22, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on June 22, 2017, 10:51:47 AM
So I was thinking, there are still wars to come. The war for the iron throne and war for humanity against the white walkers. Based on that trailer, I'm wondering if most of this season will be the war for the throne and that we'll see the end of Cersei in the season finale.

That's my guess as well

It would seem the timing is set up that way with Dany en route....plus with the previews it's pretty heavily footage of man on man war with a few scenes of white walkers. Plus, ultimately the war between man and the white walkers is really THE war to be concerned about so it'd seem fitting that the final season 'settles' that war while this season settles the more trivial kingdom rulership.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2017, 05:17:44 AM: So, who gets to be the lucky person who kills Cersei? Is it Jaime, Tyrion, someone else? It has to be poetic. It can't just be that she is hit by some random arrow. I know the whole Maggie the Frog prophecy but sometimes they shouldn't be taken literal.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 23, 2017, 05:29:06 AM: It also depends how much George RR Martin thought it was important.

Remember Tyrion's first wife? they introduced her, reminded her, and then said "nah, screw it all" having him killing Tywin over Shae, while in the book he's pissed because he deceived him for years. So the prophecy may be a case where the authors go "meh, whatever", but they're still reminding it with the deaths of her children so who knows.

For sure it makes sense to Jaimie finally snapping and being in the situation of having once again to stop the sitting king from destroying the town, or maybe she'll pull a Hitler and blow up herself on the eve of certain defeat.

About how the final two seasons will go, "Battle for the Iron Throne first and battle for Westeros later" makes sense, but it all seems so nice and tidy. I'd love for some more messing up of the two impending wars, rather than the Iron Throne being nicely conquered and the winners going "mh, ok, now let's think about the White Walkers".
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2017, 05:41:13 AM: I think the two wars will happen concurrently.
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Post by: Chino on June 23, 2017, 06:06:16 AM: Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2017, 05:41:13 AM
I think the two wars will happen concurrently.

Part of me wonders if the war for the throne will almost not matter. All sides realize they're all dead unless they ban together and fight the White Walkers.
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Post by: Prog Snob on June 23, 2017, 07:02:22 AM: As you can see from the trailers, there are already multiple battles going on. Euron's fleet against Dany's. The Dothraki against Randall Tarly's men. Dany's men at Casterly Rock. Then you have Jon and his band of all stars (The Hound, Beric, Tormund, possibly Brienne and Pod, and a few others) up north.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 23, 2017, 07:02:43 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 23, 2017, 06:06:16 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2017, 05:41:13 AM
I think the two wars will happen concurrently.

Part of me wonders if the war for the throne will almost not matter. All sides realize they're all dead unless they ban together and fight the White Walkers.

Well, I'd daresay that's the entire point of the series - the war for the throne DOESN'T matter. Let's see when the characters will realize it too.

When Dany has her visions she was walking in a desolate and ice-ridden throne room, maybe by the time she will reach King's Landing, there won't be anymore a war to win, only winter.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2017, 07:49:03 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 23, 2017, 06:06:16 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on June 23, 2017, 05:41:13 AM
I think the two wars will happen concurrently.

Part of me wonders if the war for the throne will almost not matter. All sides realize they're all dead unless they ban together and fight the White Walkers.

I think in the trailer it was Jon saying something along the lines of our families have been at war but we must fight together. I think that's possible, but I don't see Cersei coming around to this. She has not taken dragons and white walkers seriously since the beginning of the show. I don't really see her turning around now that she has the throne. I could see that being Jon and Dany banding together. Maybe the Lannisters under Jamie too.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 12, 2017, 01:12:34 PM: T-minus 5 days! :biggrin:

Been kind of a hurdle to avoid spoilers on the internet, haven't watched any trailers or interviews.
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Post by: ReaperKK on July 12, 2017, 07:56:48 PM: I can't wait!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 12, 2017, 08:25:06 PM: We're leaving on vacation Saturday and the Airbnb house we are staying at has a 120" Digital HD projector. I'm excited to watch the premier on that! It 'looks' like a good set up but we shall see.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2017, 07:07:53 AM: I think this will be the first GoT episode I watch not by myself :lol Spent the last year getting the gf all caught up, now she may be even more excited than I am for the return.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 13, 2017, 06:18:02 PM: So there are apparently season episode plot leaks. I read through a couple of them and if they are even partially accurate then WOW. :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 14, 2017, 06:18:48 AM: Wikipedia has already the first three titles, also.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 14, 2017, 06:40:12 AM: I'm not going to look. So close now that it'll be worth the wait. :corn
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Post by: faizoff on July 16, 2017, 08:09:20 PM: Solid opening episode, very laid back and just setting up the pieces for the rest of the season me thinks. Clegane absolutely stole the episode for me, I've always loved his character from the start and this episode just made it even more clearer. He's a goddamn rockstar and his curse line are always delivered the best way.
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Post by: ReaperKK on July 16, 2017, 08:36:47 PM: Great opening episode except for Ed Sheeran popping out of no where, really threw me out of the episode for a second. Loved the opening scene with Arya Stark .
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Post by: faizoff on July 16, 2017, 08:38:18 PM: i read about his cameo so as soon as I heard the singing, I knew it would be him.

Also can't believe I didn't say this earlier, but a lot of shit went down this episode, LOL.
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Post by: ReaperKK on July 16, 2017, 08:43:43 PM: Yea it did. To me it was like most season openers; a lot of "Oh yea that was happening" moments.
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Post by: Chino on July 16, 2017, 08:43:56 PM: ICE GIANTS!!
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Post by: ReaperKK on July 16, 2017, 08:46:01 PM: Yup!!!!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on July 17, 2017, 02:49:10 AM: Quote from: ReaperKK on July 16, 2017, 08:36:47 PM
Great opening episode except for Ed Sheeran popping out of no where, really threw me out of the episode for a second. Loved the opening scene with Arya Stark .

Fuck yeah.

Quote from: Chino on July 16, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
ICE GIANTS!!

Fuck yeah.

Very satisfying opening episode that touched on a lot. The poop/vomit/eat montage was a joy.
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Post by: Chino on July 17, 2017, 03:56:44 AM: I had to look away during that montage. I felt food coming up.
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Post by: ReaperKK on July 17, 2017, 04:59:02 AM: Yea they didn't need to show as much shit as they did in the montage.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on July 17, 2017, 05:25:53 AM: It wasn't graphic poop, just vague sludgy poop.

I can't believe I just wrote that sentence.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 17, 2017, 05:26:45 AM: That was great first episode. Every scene kept me engaged and it did a great job starting to put all the pieces into place.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 17, 2017, 05:34:21 AM: Quote from: ReaperKK on July 17, 2017, 04:59:02 AM
Yea they didn't need to show as much shit as they did in the montage.

This is Game of Thrones. Take your shit with your dragons...or something.

I think the opening scene was perfect! What I'm looking forward to are the hopeful reunions - Arya, Bran, Jon, and Sansa; Tyrion and Jon; Jon and Benjen. I am wondering if Arya will see The Hound again, when Tyrion will see Cersei and Jaime again, when will Jaime finally give up on Cersei and go off on his own.

When will Jon find out about his heritage? I'm guessing at the end of the season. I think either Bran or Sam will tell him.

I enjoyed the scene with Euron and Cersei. He's seeming more like the unhinged book character than he did last season, which I was hoping for.

And will someone please kill Littlefinger already?!!?
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 17, 2017, 06:48:44 AM: That was a cool little moment when Jorah Mormont was asking Sam about whether Dani arrived yet from inside the Greyscale quarantine which reminded me a lot of a leper colony. I was like "man, I recognize that voice..." and then released who it was.
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Post by: Prog Snob on July 17, 2017, 06:54:01 AM: It hit me after that Sam will probably wind up healing Jorah, especially after he finds out who he is.
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Post by: Grappler on July 17, 2017, 07:39:41 AM: Winter has come for House Frey. :metal

Great episode, and it's nice to not have spoiler material that I can easily cheat with. When I binged the full series in February, I could follow along with Wikipedia - that made it easier to understand characters names and relationships since this world was so new to me, but made it really easy to spoil some events.
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Post by: Nick on July 17, 2017, 07:43:16 AM: So I had a really cool Game of Thrones experience last night.

Over the past year or so my girlfriend and I have been watching through the blu-rays of the series. I have not read the books but she has. We finally got caught up about two months ago. Since then there have been plenty of references to how it's going to suck avoiding spoilers and waiting for the current season to come out on blu-ray.

So a couple of days ago I ordered HBO and set up the show to record, and at about 9:05pm or so she went out to the kitchen for something. I loaded up the show, muted the TV, fast forwarded to the opening scene, and paused it. She came back in, sat down, looked up and it was awesome to see her reaction. We very much enjoyed the episode and I look forward to the rest of the season.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 08:15:57 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 17, 2017, 05:25:53 AM
It wasn't graphic poop, just vague sludgy poop.

I can't believe I just wrote that sentence.

Looked almost exactly like what was going in was what was coming out :lol and yea, that scene did what it was intended to do, make you feel sick to your stomach.

Awesome first episode. Pretty much set up the season and reminded us all where everyone left off. That opening scene with Walder... I immediately thought everyone in that room was going to die. I never really though of how powerful the faces could be, until that scene.

It's great to have the hound back. He's such an awesome character and it looks like he's going to become a religious one now (seemed like he was turning tides after his episode last season, but I'm guessing he is a full believer now). I do however fear for his life this season though. I think everyone at the wall (and the wildings) are in serious danger this season. There were wayyyy too many references about the Wall standing strong and protecting the realm in this episode.

Cersei and Euron seem like a match made in heaven. What is the gift Euron will bring? My guess is he is going after Tyrion. His head is probably the one thing that would get Cersei to like him. I doubt he gets it. Maybe he attacks Dragonstone. Also, the scene with jamie and Cersei alone, looked like Jamie has some serious doubts about Cersei.

Sansa's certainly got a lot of confidence now. She was kind of nasty this episode, to both Jon and Littlefinger. Littlefinger I understand, but undermining Jon was not cool. Lady Mormont was amazing again. What an awesome character and actress.

And we finally got to see Dany return to Westoros. That was a pretty cool and powerful ending. Essentially saying this is the beginning of the end now. Her people are going to have to start mining.
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Post by: Chino on July 17, 2017, 08:30:56 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 08:15:57 AM

It's great to have the hound back. He's such an awesome character and it looks like he's going to become a religious one now (seemed like he was turning tides after his episode last season, but I'm guessing he is a full believer now). I do however fear for his life this season though. I think everyone at the wall (and the wildings) are in serious danger this season. There were wayyyy too many references about the Wall standing strong and protecting the realm in this episode.

Jon Snow asked them to hold up at Eastwatch, didn't he? If that's where Cersei is heading, they're fucked.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 08:36:13 AM: Quote from: Chino on July 17, 2017, 08:30:56 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 08:15:57 AM

It's great to have the hound back. He's such an awesome character and it looks like he's going to become a religious one now (seemed like he was turning tides after his episode last season, but I'm guessing he is a full believer now). I do however fear for his life this season though. I think everyone at the wall (and the wildings) are in serious danger this season. There were wayyyy too many references about the Wall standing strong and protecting the realm in this episode.

Jon Snow asked them to hold up at Eastwatch, didn't he? If that's where Cersei is heading, they're fucked.

Yes they are going to Eastwatch, but that's what it seemed like The Hound saw in the flames. I don't see how the Wall survives this season considering The Night Kind seemingly broke the spell from the Children of the Forest last season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on July 17, 2017, 08:40:30 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 08:36:13 AM
Quote from: Chino on July 17, 2017, 08:30:56 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 08:15:57 AM

It's great to have the hound back. He's such an awesome character and it looks like he's going to become a religious one now (seemed like he was turning tides after his episode last season, but I'm guessing he is a full believer now). I do however fear for his life this season though. I think everyone at the wall (and the wildings) are in serious danger this season. There were wayyyy too many references about the Wall standing strong and protecting the realm in this episode.

Jon Snow asked them to hold up at Eastwatch, didn't he? If that's where Cersei is heading, they're fucked.

Yes they are going to Eastwatch, but that's what it seemed like The Hound saw in the flames. I don't see how the Wall survives this season considering The Night Kind seemingly broke the spell from the Children of the Forest last season.

I wonder if the wall is going to come down, or if the army is just going to go through it. I don't remember if it was season 5 or 6, but one of the giants made it into a tunnel but was stabbed to death before he got through. The episode last night focussed on that tunnel quite a bit, and now that ice giants are confirmed, they might be able to get through with ease.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on July 17, 2017, 09:01:26 AM: I think Euron is going to kill one of the dragons. Aren't we leading up to the Walkers getting a dragon, with all those posters that have come out?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: erwinrafael on July 17, 2017, 09:40:33 AM: I just want to share our Filipino-Southeast Asian interpretation of the Game of Thrones opening theme:

https://youtu.be/3wY1hb9TrvU

I did not appear on the video, but I played in the recorded music. :lol

When we interpreted it, we do not want it to be the GoT theme played with Southeast Asian instruments but rather a Southeast Asian music piece that plays around the GoT theme. Which explains the different tonality and the liberties taken in the melody and the time signature.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on July 17, 2017, 01:27:07 PM: Another amazing episode. This is easily my favorite show of all time. So much happened in 1 hour. Jamie is starting to move away from Cersei. Arya is on her way to kings landing. Hard to believe there are only 12 more episodes of the show. I love not knowing what's going to happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on July 17, 2017, 01:28:00 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on July 17, 2017, 01:27:07 PM
Another amazing episode. This is easily my favorite show of all time. So much happened in 1 hour. Jamie is starting to move away from Cersei. Arya is on her way to kings landing. Hard to believe there are only 12 more episodes of the show. I love not knowing what's going to happen.

Spoilers. People gonna die.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 01:36:11 PM: Quote from: Adami on July 17, 2017, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: kaos2900 on July 17, 2017, 01:27:07 PM
Another amazing episode. This is easily my favorite show of all time. So much happened in 1 hour. Jamie is starting to move away from Cersei. Arya is on her way to kings landing. Hard to believe there are only 12 more episodes of the show. I love not knowing what's going to happen.

Spoilers. People gonna die.

Are the dead going to die too?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on July 17, 2017, 01:46:17 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on July 17, 2017, 01:27:07 PM
Another amazing episode. This is easily my favorite show of all time. So much happened in 1 hour. Jamie is starting to move away from Cersei. Arya is on her way to kings landing. Hard to believe there are only 12 more episodes of the show. I love not knowing what's going to happen.

I'm wondering if we're going to see a rift between Sansa and Jon. They had completely different views on how to deal with the families and houses of those who betrayed them. Once she finds out about Jon's real background, do you think she'll turn on him?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 01:53:03 PM: Quote from: Chino on July 17, 2017, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: kaos2900 on July 17, 2017, 01:27:07 PM
Another amazing episode. This is easily my favorite show of all time. So much happened in 1 hour. Jamie is starting to move away from Cersei. Arya is on her way to kings landing. Hard to believe there are only 12 more episodes of the show. I love not knowing what's going to happen.

I'm wondering if we're going to see a rift between Sansa and Jon. They had completely different views on how to deal with the families and houses of those who betrayed them. Once she finds out about Jon's real background, do you think she'll turn on him?

It looks like LF is definitely noticing this and I'm sure he will be involved in trying to get them against each other. However, I have a hard time believing Sansa is going to turn on him, but that certainly would be surprising. Her mentioning of learning from Cersei could be a sign of that too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on July 17, 2017, 02:00:33 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 17, 2017, 01:53:03 PM
Quote from: Chino on July 17, 2017, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: kaos2900 on July 17, 2017, 01:27:07 PM
Another amazing episode. This is easily my favorite show of all time. So much happened in 1 hour. Jamie is starting to move away from Cersei. Arya is on her way to kings landing. Hard to believe there are only 12 more episodes of the show. I love not knowing what's going to happen.

I'm wondering if we're going to see a rift between Sansa and Jon. They had completely different views on how to deal with the families and houses of those who betrayed them. Once she finds out about Jon's real background, do you think she'll turn on him?

It looks like LF is definitely noticing this and I'm sure he will be involved in trying to get them against each other. However, I have a hard time believing Sansa is going to turn on him, but that certainly would be surprising. Her mentioning of learning from Cersei could be a sign of that too.

This will be an interesting plot point for the season. Based on the trailers it looks like Jon will be away from Sansa soon so who knows how big the divide will grow. I think Jon is one character who for sure won't die (again) so I don't see Sansa bringing about his demise. However, what if Sansa get's caught scheming to overthrow him and turns into a traitor and Jon had to execute her and little finger! Based on the speech he gave maybe that was a foreshadow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lucky7 on July 17, 2017, 02:28:57 PM: Great opener for the new 'short' season but wait we get an extra long last episode, but there is an extra short episode as well, not sure which one.

I loved the opening with Arya, who is still my favourite character, I can't wait until she meets up with John, although I do want to see a reunion with The Hound as well.

If the first episode is anything to go by, I hope it is a great season... I hope Jamie wakes up and gets the hell away from Cersei, I want to see him meet up with Tyrion again.

I realized driving to work, this season will be over before the end of August, even before DT tour OZ in September.

Does anyone watch the UK show Thronecast? Episode wrap up, special guests including recently departed cast members. Looking forward to that later tonight. :corn
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 17, 2017, 02:35:31 PM: "When they ask you what happened here, tell them that the North remembers. Tell them that winter has come for House Frey."

FUCK YEAH!!! :metal Welcome back Arya and welcome back Game of Thrones! The cold opening was brilliant, sure, it takes you 10 second to realize it's not a flashback and that Walder is Arya in disguise, but still that was awesome to behold.

Also the ride of the undead in the snow was fantastic. Random wintry field, then some clouds, then a couple of walkers, and then the goddamn army with a goddamn undead giant.

Euron trolling Jaimie was also a nice touch, what a douche :lol "Here I am with two hands"... "You should try to kill your brother, it feels good".. LOL.

I was half figuring Dany would have gotten the last scene... she's back home! "Shall we begin?" with the screen going black afterwards it's a nice meta touch. Yes, we will begin!!! :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on July 17, 2017, 06:29:36 PM: Arya is one of the baddest characters I've seen on TV. She is written well and Maisie Williams plays her perfectly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 17, 2017, 06:36:17 PM: I'm guessing Euron comes back with the Dragon Horn just in time to Change the tide of a battle. I just hope he or Cersi don't get control of all three Dragons.

Maybe they get Drogon and Dany is forced to have the other two kill him?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 17, 2017, 07:08:39 PM: No surprise whatsoever that the ratings would be crushing it from the getgo.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com//live-feed/tv-ratings-game-thrones-premiere-crushes-previous-audience-record-1021845
I imagine the final season ratings will be through the roof. I don't know if it's been confirmed that season 8 will return in 2019, I thought I read that was the plan wince Westworld returns in 2018.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 17, 2017, 07:47:13 PM: Westworld and the sheer scale of the battles/CGI work that has to be performed will push season 8'to 2019.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on July 18, 2017, 01:38:53 AM: I've looked but I haven't found something good so I'm asking here - is there a video on YT or something that gives you the TLDR of most important events to catch up on the show? I have no interest in watching it, but I am a little bit interested to know what's happening overall. Last I saw was the dude that got his head smashed and nothing after that season - got bored of it, same as the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on July 18, 2017, 02:01:06 AM: Quote from: ReaperKK on July 17, 2017, 06:29:36 PM
Arya is one of the baddest characters I've seen on TV. She is written well and Maisie Williams plays her perfectly.

Nah. If that was the case she'd have killed Ed Sheeran as soon as she heard his annoying voice :)

Good episode. Typical of the series openers a quick recap visit to all the main players, to remind us where they are and what they are doing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zydar on July 18, 2017, 02:33:22 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on July 18, 2017, 02:01:06 AM
Quote from: ReaperKK on July 17, 2017, 06:29:36 PM
Arya is one of the baddest characters I've seen on TV. She is written well and Maisie Williams plays her perfectly.

Nah. If that was the case she'd have killed Ed Sheeran as soon as she heard his annoying voice :)

I was waiting for them to be attacked or ambushed as soon as I saw Sheeran in that scene :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on July 18, 2017, 02:35:40 AM: Apparently people didn't like him very much as he has deleted his twitter after the episode aired.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 18, 2017, 02:49:59 AM: So great to have the show back! Solid first episode, laying down the foundation of the season.

Clegane is probably my favourite character, seeing him verbally abuse everyone is always amusing. :lol

I don't think Sansa will turn on Jon, however Littlefinger has something under his sleeve so he might manipulate her or spread lies or something.

Have nothing against Ed Sheeran but his cameo distracted me quite a bit, especially when his face was in almost every camera shot during that scene even though he didn't say anything.

Sam finding the history of Dragonstone and what's hidden under the castle is a major thing, that was cool.

Can't wait for next week!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 04:28:44 AM: Speaking about Dragonstone... Stannis left it to go to the Wall, left absolutely nobody behind, and when news arrived of his death, nobody in King's Landing cared? I understand there were frantic times with the Faith Militant taking over King's Landing and Cersei is always stone cold drunk when she's not plotting murder, but literally no one either stayed behind in Dragonstone and no one bothered to reclaim it? this careleness of Cersei about forgetting important castles makes me think that one day Dany will reach King's Landing, and she'll wander around the dungeons and stumble upon Septa Unella because Cersei totally forgot about her eventually.

Anyway, even a hint of the aftermath of a small battle, or literally a line from Tyrion or Greyworm ("My queen, you can land now, the skeleton crew left behind has been vanquished") would have been enough.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on July 18, 2017, 06:54:42 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 04:28:44 AM
she'll wander around the dungeons and stumble upon Septa Unella because Cersei totally forgot about her eventually.

Anyway, even a hint of the aftermath of a small battle, or literally a line from Tyrion or Greyworm ("My queen, you can land now, the skeleton crew left behind has been vanquished") would have been enough.

We rewatched the end of Season 6 before the premiere, and Cersei left Septa Unella to the reanimated Mountain and walked away, knowing of the torture and likely death that would follow.

I don't really agree that there needed to be a fight to take the castle. Jamie was pretty much chastising Cersei for her lack of caring about issues like that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 06:58:48 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 04:28:44 AM
Speaking about Dragonstone... Stannis left it to go to the Wall, left absolutely nobody behind, and when news arrived of his death, nobody in King's Landing cared? I understand there were frantic times with the Faith Militant taking over King's Landing and Cersei is always stone cold drunk when she's not plotting murder, but literally no one either stayed behind in Dragonstone and no one bothered to reclaim it? this careleness of Cersei about forgetting important castles makes me think that one day Dany will reach King's Landing, and she'll wander around the dungeons and stumble upon Septa Unella because Cersei totally forgot about her eventually.

Well the book had a different way of using Dragonstone after Stannis left which made more sense towards your line of thinking. I was kind of shocked the whole island was deserted too, but then again, it was mentioned that no one was there while Jamie and Cersei were talking earlier in the episode. At least the writers snuck that line in, within the context of Cersei being a poor ruler with her 3 kingdoms.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 17, 2017, 06:36:17 PM
I'm guessing Euron comes back with the Dragon Horn just in time to Change the tide of a battle. I just hope he or Cersi don't get control of all three Dragons.

Totally forgot about Euron and the Dragon Horn. That would be interesting, but since it hasn't appeared or been talked about in show, I wonder if they will still go that route. That would be crazy to see someone else take control of a dragon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on July 18, 2017, 07:06:36 AM: I'm thinking at least one dragon will get killed. I'm guessing most are assuming Danearys will defeat Cersei but what a mind fuck it will be if she defeats the dragons, Dany, Tyrion, and Arya. I still would bet on Dany defeating Cersei. It may look bad for awhile but I'm guessing Dorn will arrive just in time to save the day.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on July 18, 2017, 08:16:44 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on July 18, 2017, 07:06:36 AM
I'm thinking at least one dragon will get killed. I'm guessing most are assuming Danearys will defeat Cersei but what a mind fuck it will be if she defeats the dragons, Dany, Tyrion, and Arya. I still would bet on Dany defeating Cersei. It may look bad for awhile but I'm guessing Dorn will arrive just in time to save the day.

Dany will keep the big one. Cersei will get one of the smaller ones. An ice giant will kill the other small one and it will become the ice king's.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on July 18, 2017, 09:11:01 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on July 18, 2017, 07:06:36 AM
but what a mind fuck it will be if she defeats the dragons, Dany, Tyrion, and Arya.

As the seasons have gone on generally the show has been a little predictable in who lives and who wins, pulling out a massive surprise like this would be pretty damn awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 09:12:44 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on July 18, 2017, 09:11:01 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on July 18, 2017, 07:06:36 AM
but what a mind fuck it will be if she defeats the dragons, Dany, Tyrion, and Arya.

As the seasons have gone on generally the show has been a little predictable in who lives and who wins, pulling out a massive surprise like this would be pretty damn awesome.

Yea agreed, that would be crazy if they pulled a move like that. Also, Sansa turning bad would be an awesome twist.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on July 18, 2017, 09:16:34 AM: Does the Ice King have a queen?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 09:24:40 AM: Quote from: Chino on July 18, 2017, 09:16:34 AM
Does the Ice King have a queen?

In A Song of Ice and Fire lore, yes. The Night King was a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch who fell for a very weird and very beautiful creature beyond the Wall, and they started to make unholy sacrifices. I don't think the show will bother to give him a queen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 09:26:31 AM: Quote from: Grappler on July 18, 2017, 06:54:42 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 04:28:44 AM
she'll wander around the dungeons and stumble upon Septa Unella because Cersei totally forgot about her eventually.

We rewatched the end of Season 6 before the premiere, and Cersei left Septa Unella to the reanimated Mountain and walked away, knowing of the torture and likely death that would follow.

Cersei told her that she would not day not that day, not for a very long time, so my idea is that she wants the Mountain to continue to rape her over and over, not just bang her for two days and then snap her neck . Hence the joke about her eventually even forgetting she even wants to torture for the long run Unella.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 09:28:00 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Chino on July 18, 2017, 09:16:34 AM
Does the Ice King have a queen?

In A Song of Ice and Fire lore, yes. The Night King was a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch who fell for a very weird and very beautiful creature beyond the Wall, and they started to make unholy sacrifices. I don't think the show will bother to give him a queen.

Yea, also, that's just lore as you said. Those stories aren't even shown to be true in the books. The way the show did the flashback with the Night's King being turned into a WW makes it somewhat clear they aren't going down the ASOIAF lore that was told in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 18, 2017, 11:38:32 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 06:58:48 AM

Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 17, 2017, 06:36:17 PM
I'm guessing Euron comes back with the Dragon Horn just in time to Change the tide of a battle. I just hope he or Cersi don't get control of all three Dragons.

Totally forgot about Euron and the Dragon Horn. That would be interesting, but since it hasn't appeared or been talked about in show, I wonder if they will still go that route. That would be crazy to see someone else take control of a dragon.

It would come out of nowhere for sure being that it hasn't been mentioned. But I can't think of another thing that would impress Cersi more than that? It'd certainly be a game changer.

The most compelling storyline if that were to happen would be Cersi\Euron gain control of Drogon forcing Dany to kill him via the other two. She and Drogon are connected more than the other two and it'd be a tough blow to her....and the audience. It'd feel 'cheap' to me if they give control of the 'expendable' dragons to them for them to then be defeated. It'd be less impactful.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 11:41:36 AM: Honestly never put much thought into any of the dragons dying simply due to the "dragon having three heads"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 11:52:38 AM: There's also the chance of Bran warging into one of them.

"You will never walk again... but you will fly".

(Then he wargs into a random raven and the prophecy becomes the biggest underwhelm ever)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 03:01:27 PM: I just realized there's no After The Thrones anymore? I really enjoyed watching that last season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2017, 03:04:09 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 03:01:27 PM
I just realized there's no After The Thrones anymore? I really enjoyed watching that last season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkFod-Wq694

I'm a fan of this one. They have no affiliation to the show, so they don't hold back, but they have tons of book/show knowledge and will point out things you never knew.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 03:06:47 PM: Quote from: Adami on July 18, 2017, 03:04:09 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on July 18, 2017, 03:01:27 PM
I just realized there's no After The Thrones anymore? I really enjoyed watching that last season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkFod-Wq694

I'm a fan of this one. They have no affiliation to the show, so they don't hold back, but they have tons of book/show knowledge and will point out things you never knew.

Actually, just found out they are still doing it just not on HBO

https://www.pscp.tv/ringer/1lPKqwroXkZJb?t=0 (https://www.pscp.tv/ringer/1lPKqwroXkZJb?t=0)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on July 20, 2017, 01:55:49 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 18, 2017, 02:49:59 AM
So great to have the show back! Solid first episode, laying down the foundation of the season.

Clegane is probably my favourite character, seeing him verbally abuse everyone is always amusing. :lol

I don't think Sansa will turn on Jon, however Littlefinger has something under his sleeve so he might manipulate her or spread lies or something.

Have nothing against Ed Sheeran but his cameo distracted me quite a bit, especially when his face was in almost every camera shot during that scene even though he didn't say anything.

Sam finding the history of Dragonstone and what's hidden under the castle is a major thing, that was cool.

Can't wait for next week!

Very similar to my own thoughts. I love every scene with The Hound - he's got this kind of grumpy coolness thing going on. I agree about Ed Sheeran being distracting. Hope he isn't in further episodes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on July 20, 2017, 07:32:57 AM: So I really hope we don't have to wait 18 months for the last season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 20, 2017, 07:52:01 AM: I'd watch a full show of the Hound being a bitter smartass to everyone. Just like last season when he killed the men that destroyed his village...

"Bastard!!!!"
"Oh come on, you can have better last words than that"
"Cunt!!!!"
"You're shit at dying, you know that?"

:rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2017, 07:58:24 AM: Agreed about the Hound, awesome character with some great lines. Love his arc too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on July 20, 2017, 09:24:53 AM: Hound is one of my favorite character. I'm thinking top three. I always get a kick when I watch Hot Fuzz.

(https://24.hu/app/uploads/2016/05/rory_mccann_hotfuz.png)

Yarrrp.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2017, 09:31:42 AM: My coworker loves that movie and also always mentions it when we talk about the Hound. Apparently Walder was also in that movie and one of the minor characters from the latest episode (I think the archmaester if I remember what he told me).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ChuckSteak on July 22, 2017, 11:40:05 AM: My favorite characters are:

1- The Hound
2- Tormund
3- Thoros of Myr
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 23, 2017, 08:49:25 AM: Mine, as clichè as they may be, are Arya, Tyrion and Daenerys.

My favorite one to "hate" was Tywin, I had a sorta of grudgingly amdiration for him, he was a relentless asshole but damn, he was good and majestic at it.

Also Cersei is a very good character to hate, every time I see that smug expression of superiority on her face I'd love for someone to right smack it off her face. Lena Headey does a fantastic job in portraying her "You are not me therefore you suck" attitude.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: jakepriest on July 23, 2017, 10:24:59 AM: Tywin was the best GoT character imo. I really miss his presence in the show (funnily enough his death is also the point when I stopped liking the series as much).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on July 23, 2017, 01:01:52 PM: I may have said this already, but my favourite minor character from the books is Beric Dondarrion. He hasn't had a massive amount of screen time in the show, but I'm still intrigued to learn why he keeps coming back, and what his end purpose is.

Of the major characters, I think it's between Jon Snow and Tyron.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 23, 2017, 03:28:15 PM: Yea definitely Jon Snow and Tyrion, although I feel like we've gotten so much less of Tyrion over the last couple seasons. Really like the Hound and Tormund for the secondary characters though.

Pumped for tonight. I think there may be a reunion judging by the HBO teaser on Facebook plus something mentioned that was caught from last week's episode that I wouldn't of noticed if it weren't spotted for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on July 23, 2017, 08:09:47 PM: Awesome episode again. I can't be the only one who's so transfixed watching that doesn't realize how fast an hour flew by.

So spoilers below for this episode 2.

I think the writers are solving the fans issue with Dorne rather quickly lol. Boy all I kept thinking at the end of that episode was please not Theon, please not Theon. I love the Arya-Nymeria mini reunion and really hope this time there is a true Stark reunion. Bryan's Cogman's episodes are always awesome IMO and I always feel his handling of the characters are written a lot better. Man it's already ramping up and for some reason in mind I kept thinking it will only be the last 2 episodes or so where a lot is going to happen.

also that editing lol. from grayscale pus to pie, last week it was shit and soup.
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Post by: ReaperKK on July 23, 2017, 08:47:53 PM: What an episode, I was really hoping Theon would pull something at the end there but I ultimately can't blame him for jumping off the ship.
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Post by: lonestar on July 23, 2017, 10:37:02 PM: Wow man....just wow....that should even up the scales a bit. I'd like to think eventually Theon will get a pair and save the day, but that day isn't today for sure.

Quote from: faizoff on July 23, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
also that editing lol. from grayscale pus to pie, last week it was shit and soup.

Dude, it's gonna be quite a while before I eat pot pie again, just nasty.
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Post by: Adami on July 23, 2017, 11:43:00 PM: So those two women at the end, one hanging from the ship and the other stabbed into it, were those the two Dorne girls?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 24, 2017, 12:09:23 AM: Quote from: Adami on July 23, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
So those two women at the end, one hanging from the ship and the other stabbed into it, were those the two Dorne girls?

Yep.

My only issue with tonight's episode was the three or four minutes wasted on the Greyworm love scene. We get it. You're going to die because you're in love now. Such a waste of valuable minutes in a compacted season. Could have spent that time on something else more important IMO.
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Post by: Adami on July 24, 2017, 12:10:31 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 24, 2017, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: Adami on July 23, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
So those two women at the end, one hanging from the ship and the other stabbed into it, were those the two Dorne girls?

Yep.

My only issue with tonight's episode was the three or four minutes wasted on the Greyworm love scene. We get it. You're going to die because you're in love now. Such a waste of valuable minutes in a compacted season. Could have spent that time on something else more important IMO.

Seeing that perfect woman naked was not a waste of time.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on July 24, 2017, 02:44:31 AM: Quote from: Adami on July 24, 2017, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 24, 2017, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: Adami on July 23, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
So those two women at the end, one hanging from the ship and the other stabbed into it, were those the two Dorne girls?

Yep.

My only issue with tonight's episode was the three or four minutes wasted on the Greyworm love scene. We get it. You're going to die because you're in love now. Such a waste of valuable minutes in a compacted season. Could have spent that time on something else more important IMO.

Seeing that perfect woman naked was not a waste of time.

Seconded.
And it's not like HBO have to edit to a particular episode length, so you're not missing out on anything else as a result, it's just extra. My only disappointment is that we didn't get to see his Ken Barbie mound. What a cop-out.

And yeah, that smash cut with the puss/pie was again hilarious. :lol
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Post by: faizoff on July 24, 2017, 03:38:06 AM: Another highlight of that episode was the Arya and Hotpie scene in the pub. I love how Arya was all like the Hound when eating and indifferent to everything but as soon as she heard about Jon her demeanor changed and she was that little Arya again.
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Post by: masterthes on July 24, 2017, 05:24:53 AM: Quote from: Adami on July 24, 2017, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 24, 2017, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: Adami on July 23, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
So those two women at the end, one hanging from the ship and the other stabbed into it, were those the two Dorne girls?

Yep.

My only issue with tonight's episode was the three or four minutes wasted on the Greyworm love scene. We get it. You're going to die because you're in love now. Such a waste of valuable minutes in a compacted season. Could have spent that time on something else more important IMO.

Seeing that perfect woman naked was not a waste of time.
I'm wondering if the guy who played GW actually went down on her. Looked pretty damn close.

Also, goddamn you Theon
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 24, 2017, 06:55:45 AM: After 7 seven seasons, I still can't stand Sansa. Running her mouth as Jon is trying to sell his plan.

And They give jon shit about going to dany, but what else was he gonna do. Just sit in the north? Cersei obviously won't help them and they definitely can't defeat the whites by themselves or without weapons of dragon glass, so really what other option does he have?

While Jon is gone, Little finger will turn sansa against him probably. She's really dumb and always has been.

Grayscale to pie :lol I'll never look at pie the same way, lol

And the GW sex scene. I was like "I wonder how this is gonna go, sans pee pee and everything, and no doubt he ends up going down town" lol
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Post by: Grappler on July 24, 2017, 07:46:17 AM: I'm glad that Jon is meeting with Dany - they can't just sit around and wait for the Night King to show up. He knows that she is sitting on a horde of dragonglass, with the potential to have dragons in the fight against the undead army. It also sets up the Jon/Davros vs. Melisandre moment - both of them said that they'd kill her if they saw her again.

I love the onslaught of first introductions/reunions that this season is bringing. Oh, and Sam is awesome for trying to save Jorah. Jorah can't ever catch a break, and now he finally has - at least someone is paying attention to him!
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Post by: ReaperKK on July 24, 2017, 08:08:56 AM: I've never been able to stand Sansa.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 24, 2017, 08:17:40 AM: I thought for a moment we were going to get two sex scenes featuring guys without anything below the belt :lol

Another amazing episode and that was a quick pace for Euron's and Dorne's storyline. Totally did not see them getting demolished like that although it made perfect sense given their location and plan (which I thought Tyrion's plan to take Westeros was solid, now I wonder if they struggle to siege King's Landing). I really thought Theon was going to sacrifice himself there, but instead he reverted to reek. Clearly he still has a part to play, but we were booing him last night.

I'm guessing Euron goes back to Cersei with Ellaria as the gift? And after looking like the Lannisters were doomed to start the episode, they now have Tarly leading their army and Euron leading the fleet with a nice big crossbow ready to kill a dragon. They aren't looking too shabby after last night.

I thought Jon strangling Littlefinger was a bit out of character, maybe because it was after him making that tough decision that he just let loose on him? He really just drew a much bigger target on his back from Littlefinger now. It was cool to see Ned in the cripts. Sansa's continued with her attitude from last week, but also like last week, she isn't completely wrong. She has good points. Also, now that Arya is going north, I guess she might miss out on reunited with Jon just yet. Arya's other reunion was cool, but ended sadly. I'm guess that scene, plus the scene with the Lannisters last week, are showing Arya that her killing ways isn't truly who she is. I think that she is represented by her direwolf, but this won't be the last time we see her wolfpack, I'd think. Also totally loved the Hot Pie cameo.

Sam helping Jorah because of his father was cool, and disgusting. I'm kind of amused by the fact that the maester's all seem to be a bunch of morons. I feel like it's so different than the maesters we've seen in all the other castles (well, besides the grand maester Pycelle... so maybe it does make sense).
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 24, 2017, 08:42:45 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 24, 2017, 08:17:40 AM
I'm kind of amused by the fact that the maester's all seem to be a bunch of morons. I feel like it's so different than the maesters we've seen in all the other castles (well, besides the grand maester Pycelle... so maybe it does make sense).

The maesters at the maester "school" remind me so much of some of my college professors, especially graduate school.

Separated from the actual world. Teaching the same stuff over and over. Super complacent and invested in what they "Know". Not open to new ideas or even re-trying old ones. In contrast, the maesters in the castles are out on the front lines actually dealing with shit and having to think on their feet adapting to new challenges.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 24, 2017, 09:41:19 AM: Theon....man...what can you say about him? He's just utterly destroyed and broken. Any other show I'd think that he has some sort of redemption moment coming but being that this is GOT I don't see where he would? Maybe he'll stand up to Euron at some point but even then it seems too late.

I agree that Little Finger is going to make a move at 'controlling' Sansa. Question is, will she bite? And, she has been pretty brave in her public objections to Jon....which is highly annoying no matter if she's right or not.

Unless there is more to come with Arya and Nymeria that was anti-climactic as all heck and another wasted scene. I can't imagine that there isn't more to come being that they dedicated a chunk of screen time and CGI to it....but as for last nights episode and the 'hype' behind it leading into it.....total let down.

Wondering how many Dragons will die from the steroid crossbows? All of them, one...two?

I'm betting that Jon 'bends a knee' to Dany because he knows he needs her army, her dragons and the dragon glass and the fact that he's a reluctant King who really doesn't care about ruling...only to save people. Him doing so will bring Dany on board.
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Post by: ariich on July 24, 2017, 01:02:30 PM: Quote from: faizoff on July 23, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
also that editing lol. from grayscale pus to pie
That was awesome. :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2017, 02:46:29 PM: With Melisandre showing up at Dany's door, I think the show officially stopped caring about distances. Or did they stop already with Varys going back and forth from Essos to Dorne and to Essos again? :lol

Anyway - Dany is starting to lose it. I dunno, maybe she just wanted to be strong and cold against Varys, but within her circle of close advisors, she was always, well, Dany... nor just "Mother of dragons, the goddamn queen yadda yadda yadda". She's always uptight and icy, one day she's gonna snap and end up like her father, setting everything on fire.

After all, we know the real reasons behind it, but... isn't what Cersei said about her technically true? her crucifying the masters and all that, she always had that spark of violence in her, so far she's used it against bad people for the greater good, but I fear she may lose it one day.

Quote from: masterthes on July 24, 2017, 05:24:53 AM
I'm wondering if the guy who played GW actually went down on her. Looked pretty damn close.

Well, no. It's not a porno, so the actor didn't. Anyway, even the trailers were showing them kissing, I was thinking already back then "Geez, he can't have sex,why bother?"... at least Jon Snow made history, LOL.

Why do you think Nymeria shunned Arya? because she wasn't Arya but "no one"?

Oh, and don't tell me I was the only one when the maester talked about "The history of the wars happened after the reign of Robert I" and Sam suggesting something "more poetic" as a title shouting at the screen "A song of ice and fire! a song of ice and fire!!!" ;D
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Post by: ariich on July 24, 2017, 03:41:54 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 24, 2017, 02:46:29 PM
With Melisandre showing up at Dany's door, I think the show officially stopped caring about distances.
Other way round - it's time jumps that don't appear like time jumps.

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Anyway - Dany is starting to lose it. I dunno, maybe she just wanted to be strong and cold against Varys, but within her circle of close advisors, she was always, well, Dany... nor just "Mother of dragons, the goddamn queen yadda yadda yadda". She's always uptight and icy, one day she's gonna snap and end up like her father, setting everything on fire.

After all, we know the real reasons behind it, but... isn't what Cersei said about her technically true? her crucifying the masters and all that, she always had that spark of violence in her, so far she's used it against bad people for the greater good, but I fear she may lose it one day.
Dany has been losing it for ages. I'm entirely assuming that she'll finally go off the deep end at some point.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 24, 2017, 03:46:02 PM: Anyone else think the "Prince that was promised' wording that was incorrectly interpreted to not include Princess is a sign that other prophecies were incorrectly interpreted?

That was certainly something many hardcore fans would debate about the books, not sure if the writers threw that in as a nod to the book readers, or as a way to imply more are coming.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 25, 2017, 02:46:05 AM: Quote from: ariich on July 24, 2017, 03:41:54 PM
Dany has been losing it for ages. I'm entirely assuming that she'll finally go off the deep end at some point.

That would be an interesting plot point. Frodo claiming for himself the Ring without Gollum to immediately make up for it.
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Post by: kaos2900 on July 25, 2017, 06:49:29 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 24, 2017, 09:41:19 AM
Theon....man...what can you say about him? He's just utterly destroyed and broken. Any other show I'd think that he has some sort of redemption moment coming but being that this is GOT I don't see where he would? Maybe he'll stand up to Euron at some point but even then it seems too late.

I agree that Little Finger is going to make a move at 'controlling' Sansa. Question is, will she bite? And, she has been pretty brave in her public objections to Jon....which is highly annoying no matter if she's right or not.

Unless there is more to come with Arya and Nymeria that was anti-climactic as all heck and another wasted scene. I can't imagine that there isn't more to come being that they dedicated a chunk of screen time and CGI to it....but as for last nights episode and the 'hype' behind it leading into it.....total let down.

Wondering how many Dragons will die from the steroid crossbows? All of them, one...two?

I'm betting that Jon 'bends a knee' to Dany because he knows he needs her army, her dragons and the dragon glass and the fact that he's a reluctant King who really doesn't care about ruling...only to save people. Him doing so will bring Dany on board.

I loved the Arya/Wolf scene. Nice call back to the first season and also a nice bow to how much Arya has changed. Was it just me or did they leave that scene with Arya unsure if she should continue North or head back to King's Landing?

And fuck Theon. Seriously, he's screwed his sister over twice now. I hope he doesn't get redeemed. He is a terrible character and other than helping Sansa has always been terrible. I hope becomes the Mountains new play thing.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 25, 2017, 06:57:26 AM: Well, I wouldn't surely pat Theon on the shoulder for that, but I have sympathy for him. He's still got severe PTSD and seeing all the violence and the idea of being a prisoner again was just too much. I despise his actions as well but more in a "sigh... of course he couldn't do it... he's completely broken" kind of way.
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Post by: Grappler on July 25, 2017, 06:58:23 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 24, 2017, 02:46:29 PM
Why do you think Nymeria shunned Arya? because she wasn't Arya but "no one"?

It was a callback to season 1. Ned was talking to Arya about being more ladylike (like Sansa) and she says "well, that's not me," or something to that effect. Arya went off on her own to be her own person.

So when Nymeria walked away, Arya realized that Nymeria was just like her and didn't want to be domesticated, so Arya said "that's not you."
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 25, 2017, 07:01:44 AM: Makes sense, thanks.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on July 25, 2017, 07:14:25 AM: Quote from: Grappler on July 25, 2017, 06:58:23 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on July 24, 2017, 02:46:29 PM
Why do you think Nymeria shunned Arya? because she wasn't Arya but "no one"?

It was a callback to season 1. Ned was talking to Arya about being more ladylike (like Sansa) and she says "well, that's not me," or something to that effect. Arya went off on her own to be her own person.

So when Nymeria walked away, Arya realized that Nymeria was just like her and didn't want to be domesticated, so Arya said "that's not you."

At first, I thought "that's not you" meant that it was a different wolf, but this makes more sense. Their paths have diverged, and so to follow Arya back to Winterfell "wouldn't be her" any longer.

Quote from: kaos2900 on July 25, 2017, 06:49:29 AM
Was it just me or did they leave that scene with Arya unsure if she should continue North or head back to King's Landing?

I think we were shown her making the decision to go North, by first looking one way, presumably to King's Landing, where the wagons and horses were going, and then turning the other way.
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Post by: Chino on July 25, 2017, 07:16:19 AM: Great episode. Are we going to see Sam doing something puke worthy in every episode this season :lol That's two weeks in a row now I almost puked.

I agree with Gary. The sex seen was the low point of the episode and I could have really done without it. IMO, it didn't really add anything to the story. It was just thrown in for the feels.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 25, 2017, 07:18:11 AM: It probably means greyworm dies soon :lol
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 25, 2017, 07:31:36 AM: Anyone notice how Euron had his men cut out tongues of the conquered soldiers on the ships?

Apparently Euron's ship is called the Silence and after he conquers another ship, he forces the crew into his service to replace the men he lost and he cuts out their tongues so there is no dissent or back talking
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 25, 2017, 07:33:05 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on July 25, 2017, 06:49:29 AM
I loved the Arya/Wolf scene. Nice call back to the first season and also a nice bow to how much Arya has changed. Was it just me or did they leave that scene with Arya unsure if she should continue North or head back to King's Landing?

Not that the symbolic meaning behind the scene wasn't cool...I get it. My point was that for an entire week online/social media etc. it was built up as some huge event of Nymeria's return and in that aspect it was anticlimactic. Judging from the producers pre season talk though I'd suspect that wasn't the last Arya has seen of her.

Quote from: cramx3 on July 24, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
Anyone else think the "Prince that was promised' wording that was incorrectly interpreted to not include Princess is a sign that other prophecies were incorrectly interpreted?

I had the feeling in that scene that Messundra (spelliing?) noticed that Dany was getting upset that the prophecy hinted at a man being the one that would save them so she quickly add libbed and more or less made up the interpretation story to appease her queen.
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Post by: Chino on July 25, 2017, 07:33:21 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on July 25, 2017, 07:31:36 AM
Anyone notice how Euron had his men cut out tongues of the conquered soldiers on the ships?

Apparently Euron's ship is called the Silence and after he conquers another ship, he forces the crew into his service to replace the men he lost and he cuts out their tongues so there is no dissent or back talking

Seems kind of foolish. They'll like die of an infection or starvation and be no good to him.
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Post by: Chino on July 25, 2017, 10:05:41 AM: I'm actually cutting Theon some slack. He basically had two options. 1) Try something in the moment and either die, get his sister killed, or get captured and tortured again. 2) Escape and at least have the opportunity to rescue her and return the favor of her rescuing him last season. He'll die after that.
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Post by: Grappler on July 25, 2017, 10:20:51 AM: Quote from: Chino on July 25, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
I'm actually cutting Theon some slack. He basically had two options. 1) Try something in the moment and either die, get his sister killed, or get captured and tortured again. 2) Escape and at least have the opportunity to rescue her and return the favor of her rescuing him last season. He'll die after that.

I think it's more that seeing the brutality and disfigurement of the slain/wounded triggered his fear and emotions from having endured Ramsay's torture. He's been doing his best to appear strong, but ever since he returned to the Iron Islands, he hasn't quite been old Theon. He fought well, but after slowing down and seeing the carnage, those old fears came back.

You could see that he was visibly freaked out and chose to abandon his sister in fear, rather than be strong and fight, even if it means death. Yara knew that as well - she knew that he had given into his fear and given up.
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Post by: soupytwist on July 27, 2017, 03:23:27 AM: Enjoyed that episode. As much fun as it was to watch the Sand Sisters vs Euron it didn't have a bit of fan-fiction about it.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 29, 2017, 01:42:52 PM: Euron is such a badass. Amazing villain to fill Ramsey's shoes in the final seasons of the show.
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Post by: jakepriest on July 29, 2017, 06:33:03 PM: Euron seems like a really forced character to me. No idea why, but I feel he is just a colossal dick for the sake of having one on the show right now.
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Post by: ariich on July 30, 2017, 06:15:26 AM: Quote from: jakepriest on July 29, 2017, 06:33:03 PM
Euron seems like a really forced character to me. No idea why, but I feel he is just a colossal dick for the sake of having one on the show right now.
Yeah it's like we had Joffrey and then Ramsay and now we need Euron because for some reason we need an absolutely vile person in the show.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 30, 2017, 06:17:17 AM: So far this season is fantastic. Really looking forward to tonight's episode.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 30, 2017, 08:53:00 AM: Quote from: ariich on July 30, 2017, 06:15:26 AM
Quote from: jakepriest on July 29, 2017, 06:33:03 PM
Euron seems like a really forced character to me. No idea why, but I feel he is just a colossal dick for the sake of having one on the show right now.
Yeah it's like we had Joffrey and then Ramsay and now we need Euron because for some reason we need an absolutely vile person in the show.

I don't think he's anywhere near as vile as either of those two. He was banished.....spent all that time being a baddass exploring and what not and then figured he was the man who could bring some balls back to the Iron Islands. Sure he's a dick for murdering the king and performing a hostile take over but, hey....that's the way things are in that world. The strongest survive.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 30, 2017, 10:02:57 AM: I guess you haven't read the novels.

He's a dick.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 30, 2017, 10:48:24 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 30, 2017, 10:02:57 AM
I guess you haven't read the novels.

He's a dick.

I haven't. All I have to go off is the show.

My plan is to wait about 4-5 years after the show is complete to then read the novels.
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 30, 2017, 08:05:49 PM: "He really was a cunt"... god bless the Queen of Thorns :lol
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Post by: faizoff on July 30, 2017, 08:09:11 PM: I honestly thought that Cersei would definitely have the Mountain crush the sand daughter in front of the mother and was dreading that the whole time Cesei was teasing and stalling. It didn't even occur to me that she would poison her the same way. A true Stark reunion at last!

I love how wrong I am in predicting the moves of both queens so far, then again I avoid speculating much and just see where things are headed. . Man what an awesome episode again. 3 down 4 more to go.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 30, 2017, 08:13:13 PM: Talk about getting schooled. Cersi and Jaimie just spanked Tyrion. :lol He may be smart but Jaimie just proved his worth
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Post by: faizoff on July 30, 2017, 08:27:03 PM: There were several quotes that were golden in this episode. That long running intro of Dany followed by 'This is Jon Snow... king of the North' LOL.
'Give me 10 good men and I'l impregnate the bitch'
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Post by: Zydar on July 31, 2017, 02:32:53 AM: Quote from: axeman90210 on July 30, 2017, 08:05:49 PM
"He really was a cunt"... god bless the Queen of Thorns :lol

Yeah I laughed hard at that one :lol
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Post by: ariich on July 31, 2017, 04:38:45 AM: Quote from: Zydar on July 31, 2017, 02:32:53 AM
Quote from: axeman90210 on July 30, 2017, 08:05:49 PM
"He really was a cunt"... god bless the Queen of Thorns :lol

Yeah I laughed hard at that one :lol
It really was brilliant. :lol

And Dany continues to get more annoying.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 31, 2017, 07:20:20 AM: Man, Dany seriously needs to get laid. She's been grumpy ever since she said goodbeye to her 'boyfriend'.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2017, 07:34:56 AM: Quote from: ariich on July 31, 2017, 04:38:45 AM
And Dany continues to get more annoying.

Yeah. In the words of Phil Anselmo "Yesterday don't mean sh%t". Thus far since crossing the sea she and Tyrion have been outplayed by Cersi and Co. Certainly an impressive list for an introduction but it doesn't mean a whole lot at this point. She needs to ignore Tyrion for a bit and unleash those Dragons on Euron's fleet for starters....

I'm supposing that Sam will discover John's true lineage while transcribing those old scrolls. And it looks as if Bran may know already as well and want to either tell or show John his true past.

I'm wondering if Jorah....after he's reunited with Dany....will be sent by her to return with Jon to verify if what Jon is saying is true?
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Post by: ariich on July 31, 2017, 08:12:01 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2017, 07:34:56 AM
Quote from: ariich on July 31, 2017, 04:38:45 AM
And Dany continues to get more annoying.

Yeah. In the words of Phil Anselmo "Yesterday don't mean sh%t". Thus far since crossing the sea she and Tyrion have been outplayed by Cersi and Co. Certainly an impressive list for an introduction but it doesn't mean a whole lot at this point. She needs to ignore Tyrion for a bit and unleash those Dragons on Euron's fleet for starters....
The most irritating thing is her hypocrisy. In the east, she was an outsider who ruled because the people wanted her, because she was doing what was right and moral, or simply by force. Now in Westeros, she outright demands power and dominion over all seven kingdoms without earning any of it because "BIRTHRIGHT".
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2017, 09:02:27 AM: Quote from: ariich on July 31, 2017, 08:12:01 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2017, 07:34:56 AM
Quote from: ariich on July 31, 2017, 04:38:45 AM
And Dany continues to get more annoying.

Yeah. In the words of Phil Anselmo "Yesterday don't mean sh%t". Thus far since crossing the sea she and Tyrion have been outplayed by Cersi and Co. Certainly an impressive list for an introduction but it doesn't mean a whole lot at this point. She needs to ignore Tyrion for a bit and unleash those Dragons on Euron's fleet for starters....
The most irritating thing is her hypocrisy. In the east, she was an outsider who ruled because the people wanted her, because she was doing what was right and moral, or simply by force. Now in Westeros, she outright demands power and dominion over all seven kingdoms without earning any of it because "BIRTHRIGHT".

so true. It felt weird seeing her demand Jon to bend the knee when she really hasn't done anything to earn it. Nothing she did across the sea matters at this point other than convincing the Dothraki and Unsullied to come with her.

she needed to get put in her place and the first two 'battles' have done that. everyone (fans) was hoping she'd show up and just dominate....as that's how it kind of was presented....but then she gets here and gets owned a bit which leads me to think the writers are going to give the early edge to Cersi & Co. then round up the season with Dany either ending it all and winding up on the throne or in position to do so early in the final season. I can't imagine that Cersi is left standing after it all goes down.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on July 31, 2017, 09:26:02 AM: Quote from: ariich on July 31, 2017, 08:12:01 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2017, 07:34:56 AM
Quote from: ariich on July 31, 2017, 04:38:45 AM
And Dany continues to get more annoying.

Yeah. In the words of Phil Anselmo "Yesterday don't mean sh%t". Thus far since crossing the sea she and Tyrion have been outplayed by Cersi and Co. Certainly an impressive list for an introduction but it doesn't mean a whole lot at this point. She needs to ignore Tyrion for a bit and unleash those Dragons on Euron's fleet for starters....
The most irritating thing is her hypocrisy. In the east, she was an outsider who ruled because the people wanted her, because she was doing what was right and moral, or simply by force. Now in Westeros, she outright demands power and dominion over all seven kingdoms without earning any of it because "BIRTHRIGHT".

She was definitely annoying this episode. A bit too entitled.
And I didn't expect she'd have it easy winning the throne, or else there wouldn't be much story for her. I like that she still has to learn to out-strategy her opponents to win and not just easily win by force. Even her dragons aren't going to be a guarantee. I'm already sad at the idea of a dragon dying. :(
And it will be all the more rewarding if/when Cersei falls by building her up into an epic bitch in the meantime. :lol
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 31, 2017, 10:48:19 AM: I really loved that episode. It just keeps getting better and better, and don't think I've ever loved the show as much as I do now. Just from the story itself to the way its edited and laid out, I just truly love it.

And jon's right. She hasn't done a damn thing as of yet to earn him bending the knee. That entitlement shit has got to go. Respect is earned, not demanded.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2017, 11:27:09 AM: The pacing of this show is getting insane. It seemed they probably could have spent a season on just what happened last episode. Dany and Job meeting was pretty tense. I feel like there's so much for them to talk about that we'll never see in show. I thought it was interesting Jon didn't want to let them all know he was killed. Not totally sure why, maybe the talk of white walkers was enough craziness and talking about being raised from the dead would just make them look more unbelievable? But given how Dany is losing this war badly, I'm thinking she's going to be needing Jon a lot more next episode.

That whole ending scene was a mind fuck. Tyrion's plan to take over Westeros took a big hit last week, but holy crap did his seemingly awesome plan for Casterly Rock turn south real quick. I loved his voiceover while seeing the action. Really eerie. Which lead to Olenna's, likely, last scene. Which was a fantastic way to go out. Letting the truth come out about Joffrey's death, you can just see the look of disgust in Jamie's face. She was such a great character, definitely going to miss her conversations. I was quite surprised to see Cersei tell the Iron Bank they would have their money so soon, but I guess she has the Tyrell's fortune now.

Cersei's punishment to Ellaria was pretty bad ass and totally within her character. I figured she was going to go one of her other methods mentioned (such as having the Mountain crush her face) but that way was more fitting and showed another layer of cruelty. She seems like she also has Euron in control, but I really think both know the other is going to back stab as soon as they get the chance. Jamie also continues to get mocked by Euron. I got to think, if Cersei does end up banging Euron, that will be the end of her and Jamie. Maybe that's the final piece that gets him to flip on her?

How bout that awkward reunion between Bran and Sansa? It was all cool, until her brought up that he saw her get raped. Bran seems sooo different now. I want him to start telling everyone what he knows.
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Post by: Grappler on July 31, 2017, 11:36:10 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 31, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
Bran seems sooo different now. I want him to start telling everyone what he knows.

I read something interesting last night that explained that Bran is all-knowing, but yet he only knows pieces of what he sees. His training (downloading) from the Three Eyed Raven was interrupted by the white walkers. This helps in that if you had an all-knowing person on your side, you'd be invincible. But with Bran not in full control of what he sees, it doesn't tip the scales toward the Starks, or the humans (when the white walkers come).

He obviously knows Jon's true parentage, which he will probably divulge soon, since he said he wanted to see Jon. As for Jon, I'm glad he stood his ground against Dany and I'm glad that Tyrion believes him. Dany is just a little rich girl to Jon - I think once he learns of his lineage, he may have some common ground with Dany to help build on.

I loved Olenna - she was the only no-nonsense person on the show that just called it like she saw it. That scene was amzing.

Great lines in this episode - Tyrion's line about Starks venturing south was hilarious, as was Davros' introduction of Jon after Dany's titles were read. "This is Jon Snow............................................he's King of the North."
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Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2017, 11:46:52 AM: I didn't catch this, but was told that when Job told Dany he is not a Stark, a dragon roared.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on July 31, 2017, 11:47:50 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 31, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
but I guess she has the Tyrell's fortune now.

that gold hasn't made it to King's Landing just yet.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 31, 2017, 03:26:20 PM: Awesome episode! ironically, I loved the scenes with bad characters.

I'm one of the biggest Cersei haters (I mean, Lena Headey is awesome, and the character of Cersei is compelling and fun to watch, but if we pretend she's a real person, I totally hate her guts), but I couldn't fault her for taking poetic revenge on the death of her innocent daughter. Also Littlefinger's advice to Sansa was quite good - surely it comes from a triple-quadruple backstabber, but talking generally, it's not bad advice to say "Stay ten steps ahead and think of all possible outcomes".

I agree that Dany needs to either get laid or get real. She's more and more icy, uptight and entitled, only Tyrion seems to keep her in check. I agree that it was hilarous the contrast between her titles and Jon's, and I was frustrated by their discussion - Jon has to sell the news of the White Walkers, and he never says to someone that has three friggin' dragons something direct as "Imagine if nobody believed your dragons. But I've just seen them for the first time. Well, I've seen the White Walkers too". Try to bond over the dragons and make parallels with her experience, rather than saying bold statements that make for just good one-liners.

And speaking of one-liners, it killed me when Tyrion said about his journey "It's a long and bloody tale. I was drunk for most of it anyway" :lol

Tyrion also has a badass voiceover with Casterly Rock falling. And I have to compliment the bad guys once again, giving up the Rock for defeating the Tyrells was a great move. And as much as I was frustrated with Jon not being able to get across the White Walkers point, I was delighted to see Olenna's big, final "F U" to Jaimie. I was thinking all the time "Tell him, tell him!"... and she did. Chilling scene, masterfully executed.

All hail Olenna, the Queen of Thorns. She died as she lived: With class, intelligence, grace, and zero fucks for anybody.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2017, 03:48:13 PM: There were actually quite a few lines and moments that were reminders of past episodes. I really dig that.
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Post by: orcus116 on July 31, 2017, 07:02:15 PM: Cram, everytime you said Job instead of Jon I just pictured this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYrwTVsckmI
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Post by: cramx3 on July 31, 2017, 07:05:00 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on July 31, 2017, 07:02:15 PM
Cram, everytime you said Job instead of Jon I just pictured this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYrwTVsckmI

:rollin wow didn't even realize that
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Post by: Chino on August 01, 2017, 05:54:46 AM: "This is Jon Snow" :lol

This was my favorite episode so far this season.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 01, 2017, 06:32:14 AM: :lol yea that was great. I rewatched that scene before I went to bed last night. I love how Dany tells Jon that his father was best friends with Robert Baratheon yet as he ordered her death, why didn't Ned stand up for the murdering of a child? Meanwhile, back in season 1, Ned most certainly did have an issue with that and was unable to stop the order from going through.
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Post by: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:11:56 AM: Why was Sir Davos so apprehensive to mention that Jon Snow had died and been brought back?
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Post by: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:15:12 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:11:56 AM
Why was Sir Davos so apprehensive to mention that Jon Snow had died and been brought back?

He wasn't apprehensive. He started to talk about it and Jon gave him a look to cut him off from saying more.

Jon may not want to tell more than he has to, especially when he needs to try to convince people that white walkers are real. That's more important than trying to explain that he died and was brought back to life, which could be hard for people to believe, leading them to not believe him when it comes to the army of the dead.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 01, 2017, 07:17:29 AM: Quote from: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:11:56 AM
Why was Sir Davos so apprehensive to mention that Jon Snow had died and been brought back?

He wasn't apprehensive. He started to talk about it and Jon gave him a look to cut him off from saying more.

Jon may not want to tell more than he has to, especially when he needs to try to convince people that white walkers are real. That's more important than trying to explain that he died and was brought back to life, which could be hard for people to believe, leading them to not believe him when it comes to the army of the dead.

If only the person who brought him back to life were around to back him up and tell the story :lol

I understand why he didn't want it mentioned....it's like you said.....he's trying to convince Dany of something that is hard to believe....don't throw that in on top of it.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 01, 2017, 07:23:34 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 01, 2017, 07:17:29 AM
Quote from: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:11:56 AM
Why was Sir Davos so apprehensive to mention that Jon Snow had died and been brought back?

He wasn't apprehensive. He started to talk about it and Jon gave him a look to cut him off from saying more.

Jon may not want to tell more than he has to, especially when he needs to try to convince people that white walkers are real. That's more important than trying to explain that he died and was brought back to life, which could be hard for people to believe, leading them to not believe him when it comes to the army of the dead.

If only the person who brought him back to life were around to back him up and tell the story :lol

I understand why he didn't want it mentioned....it's like you said.....he's trying to convince Dany of something that is hard to believe....don't throw that in on top of it.

I'm not sure that was the case. Dany has dragons and is unburnt. I don't think there's things in this world that are much more unbelievable than herself and her own experiences (like house of the undying). They talked about this on Talk The Thrones and while no one seemed to know for sure, the best answer they came up with was that he is simply embarrassed about it. He told Mel not to bring him back to life before the battle of the bastards. He has seemingly not been very comfortable with coming back to life. It's likely he's just not proud of it. Also, his own people betrayed him, that's not exactly something you want to tell someone you are trying to align with.
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Post by: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:30:47 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 01, 2017, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 01, 2017, 07:17:29 AM
Quote from: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:11:56 AM
Why was Sir Davos so apprehensive to mention that Jon Snow had died and been brought back?

He wasn't apprehensive. He started to talk about it and Jon gave him a look to cut him off from saying more.

Jon may not want to tell more than he has to, especially when he needs to try to convince people that white walkers are real. That's more important than trying to explain that he died and was brought back to life, which could be hard for people to believe, leading them to not believe him when it comes to the army of the dead.

If only the person who brought him back to life were around to back him up and tell the story :lol

I understand why he didn't want it mentioned....it's like you said.....he's trying to convince Dany of something that is hard to believe....don't throw that in on top of it.

I'm not sure that was the case. Dany has dragons and is unburnt. I don't think there's things in this world that are much more unbelievable than herself and her own experiences (like house of the undying). They talked about this on Talk The Thrones and while no one seemed to know for sure, the best answer they came up with was that he is simply embarrassed about it. He told Mel not to bring him back to life before the battle of the bastards. He has seemingly not been very comfortable with coming back to life. It's likely he's just not proud of it. Also, his own people betrayed him, that's not exactly something you want to tell someone you are trying to align with.

Ahhh. That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that bit. I didn't think it was because of the whole believability thing, because like you said, she didn't burn to death and has three creatures that most of the 7 kingdoms don't believe exist (anymore). Then again though, Snow didn't know that at their first meeting. I'm sure we'll see come up again though as she mentioned it to Tyrion.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 01, 2017, 07:38:32 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:30:47 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 01, 2017, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 01, 2017, 07:17:29 AM
Quote from: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:11:56 AM
Why was Sir Davos so apprehensive to mention that Jon Snow had died and been brought back?

He wasn't apprehensive. He started to talk about it and Jon gave him a look to cut him off from saying more.

Jon may not want to tell more than he has to, especially when he needs to try to convince people that white walkers are real. That's more important than trying to explain that he died and was brought back to life, which could be hard for people to believe, leading them to not believe him when it comes to the army of the dead.

If only the person who brought him back to life were around to back him up and tell the story :lol

I understand why he didn't want it mentioned....it's like you said.....he's trying to convince Dany of something that is hard to believe....don't throw that in on top of it.

I'm not sure that was the case. Dany has dragons and is unburnt. I don't think there's things in this world that are much more unbelievable than herself and her own experiences (like house of the undying). They talked about this on Talk The Thrones and while no one seemed to know for sure, the best answer they came up with was that he is simply embarrassed about it. He told Mel not to bring him back to life before the battle of the bastards. He has seemingly not been very comfortable with coming back to life. It's likely he's just not proud of it. Also, his own people betrayed him, that's not exactly something you want to tell someone you are trying to align with.

Ahhh. That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that bit. I didn't think it was because of the whole believability thing, because like you said, she didn't burn to death and has three creatures that most of the 7 kingdoms don't believe exist (anymore). Then again though, Snow didn't know that at their first meeting. I'm sure we'll see come up again though as she mentioned it to Tyrion.

You'd think she's going to find out....especially since like Brian mentioned she's already curious about it.

Good point about the betrayal though.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 01, 2017, 07:38:54 AM: Yea, I totally expect it to come back up too. Maybe next week when they talk some more.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 01, 2017, 07:40:17 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 05:54:46 AM
"This is Jon Snow" :lol

This was my favorite episode so far this season.

Agreed. Amazing episode. I'm surprised the Cersei seems to be so easily taking care of Dany and her allies. I think now that Jamie knows that Tyrion is innocent sets the stage for him to kill Cersei and become the queen slayer. I'm guessing that Tyrion and maybe even Dany get's captured and Jamie will kill Cersei to save his brother hence handing the throne to Dany.
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Post by: Chino on August 01, 2017, 07:41:55 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 01, 2017, 07:40:17 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 05:54:46 AM
"This is Jon Snow" :lol

This was my favorite episode so far this season.

Agreed. Amazing episode. I'm surprised the Cersei seems to be so easily taking care of Dany and her allies. I think now that Jamie knows that Tyrion is innocent sets the stage for him to kill Cersei and become the queen slayer. I'm guessing that Tyrion and maybe even Dany get's captured and Jamie will kill Cersei to save his brother hence handing the throne to Dany.

I think Jaime is calling the shots more than Cersei is. Casterly Rock would have been wiped out had Jaime not done his thing.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 01, 2017, 07:48:03 AM: Olenna confronting Jaime about Cersi was interesting....because you could tell that even he knows she's friggin' out of control but he still 'loves' her. Just curious as to if the whole 'theory' that he will ultimately kill her will actually happen.
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Post by: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:48:23 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 01, 2017, 07:40:17 AM
I'm surprised the Cersei seems to be so easily taking care of Dany and her allies.

I like it. The expectation was that Dany would come to Westeros and kick everyone's ass with the dragons - fans and her own belief alike. It's nice to see her getting her ass handed to her, which knocks her down a few pegs as the Lannister's are showing her how they do things.

It will also force her to get off her high horse when Jon eventually comes back after learning of his bloodline. They'll have some common ground and she may be able to say "lets help each other." Right now, she doesn't believe she needs his help, but after taking some hits, she might.

I agree about Jon's hesitation about being brought back to life - I never thought of it that way in that he was betrayed by his own people and that isn't something to be proud of.
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Post by: Chino on August 01, 2017, 08:01:47 AM: Quote from: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:48:23 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 01, 2017, 07:40:17 AM
I'm surprised the Cersei seems to be so easily taking care of Dany and her allies.

It will also force her to get off her high horse when Jon eventually comes back after learning of his bloodline. They'll have some common ground and she may be able to say "lets help each other." Right now, she doesn't believe she needs his help, but after taking some hits, she might.

How much of her unsullied is she about to lose at Casterly Rock? Did she send them all there, or only a portion?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 01, 2017, 08:04:19 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 01, 2017, 08:01:47 AM
Quote from: Grappler on August 01, 2017, 07:48:23 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 01, 2017, 07:40:17 AM
I'm surprised the Cersei seems to be so easily taking care of Dany and her allies.

It will also force her to get off her high horse when Jon eventually comes back after learning of his bloodline. They'll have some common ground and she may be able to say "lets help each other." Right now, she doesn't believe she needs his help, but after taking some hits, she might.

How much of her unsullied is she about to lose at Casterly Rock? Did she send them all there, or only a portion?

I thought she sent them all and kept the Dothraki with her....don't know how many died but like Jaime said.....they'll now be forced to march across Westeros rather than sail home.
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Post by: orcus116 on August 01, 2017, 09:57:09 AM: Probably a shorter hike. It's not like you can just swing back to Dragonstone on a ship since you have to loop down around Dorne.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 01, 2017, 11:59:12 AM: I wonder if these defeats will make Dany snap and go "Screw it, I'm using the dragons". I expect her to go full villain anytime soon.

Also, I wonder what's the endgame - they want to stake the odds against Dany, to not have her too much of a flawless victory, or they intend for Cersei to be triumphant, only to have the White Walkers arrive the moment she says "Yay, I've defeated everyone, the Seven Kingdoms are mine"? it would be quite the irony, to have Cersei win and then see the Night King at her door.
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Post by: Chino on August 01, 2017, 12:32:18 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 01, 2017, 11:59:12 AM
I wonder if these defeats will make Dany snap and go "Screw it, I'm using the dragons". I expect her to go full villain anytime soon.

Also, I wonder what's the endgame - they want to stake the odds against Dany, to not have her too much of a flawless victory, or they intend for Cersei to be triumphant, only to have the White Walkers arrive the moment she says "Yay, I've defeated everyone, the Seven Kingdoms are mine"? it would be quite the irony, to have Cersei win and then see the Night King at her door.

Danny is going to lose at least one Dragon, if not all of them. I figured an ice giant would take em' down with an arrow, but now that Cersei has the mega ballista, I'm hoping to see her put it to use. She'll temporarily rule the 7 kingdoms until the white walkers show up. They'll get the dragon(s) she shot down and she'll eventually lose to their army. She'll still rule the 7 kingdoms as the Night Queen.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2017, 02:23:54 PM: Quote from: ariich on July 30, 2017, 06:15:26 AM
Quote from: jakepriest on July 29, 2017, 06:33:03 PM
Euron seems like a really forced character to me. No idea why, but I feel he is just a colossal dick for the sake of having one on the show right now.
Yeah it's like we had Joffrey and then Ramsay and now we need Euron because for some reason we need an absolutely vile person in the show.
I don't think it's forced at all. A tad rushed, maybe? But all storylines have sped up considerably ever since Season 6 so I don't really have an issue with that.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 01, 2017, 02:30:13 PM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2017, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: ariich on July 30, 2017, 06:15:26 AM
Quote from: jakepriest on July 29, 2017, 06:33:03 PM
Euron seems like a really forced character to me. No idea why, but I feel he is just a colossal dick for the sake of having one on the show right now.
Yeah it's like we had Joffrey and then Ramsay and now we need Euron because for some reason we need an absolutely vile person in the show.
I don't think it's forced at all. A tad rushed, maybe? But all storylines have sped up considerably ever since Season 6 so I don't really have an issue with that.

Yea I can see both sides. Book readers know more of how Euron is a colossal dick, but with the fast paced ending here in the show, it does kind of seemed forced so I understand that criticism. However, I think the actor is doing a great job this season. Last season he was like an afterthought and really made little to no impact. His character hardly stood out. This season he is the total badass he is supposed to be and the actor is doing it well, but it kind of didn't really build up in the show just due to the presentation of the storyline.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2017, 02:41:14 PM: Yeah, he would've had more impact if his introduction last season lived up to the hype of the character, but I'm so happy he's being the way he is this season because he's actually one of those baddies you root for, kinda.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 01, 2017, 03:00:34 PM: Random thought I forgot to mention earlier: last week Sam suggests a "catchier title" for the "chronicles of the war after the death of Robert the first of his name", now Melisandre said she brought ice and fire together.... they're really itching to slap the title of the saga somewhere sometime, uh? :lol

And I've read a theory about how Bran is basically trascending this plane of existance, kinda like Dr. Manhattan in The Watchers, and since he basically knows everything about everyone he's kinda detached from it all by now. I like it if only to justify his attitude when talking to Sansa, he was so "Yeah, whatever" all the time... and not making any sense.

"I was with the Three Eyed Raven"
"I thought you were the Three Eyed Raven"
"It's complicated"

No, it's not complicated, there was a Three Eyed Raven, he died, you took his place!!! Is that so hard to tell? :lol
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Post by: jakepriest on August 01, 2017, 03:19:52 PM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2017, 02:41:14 PM
Yeah, he would've had more impact if his introduction last season lived up to the hype of the character, but I'm so happy he's being the way he is this season because he's actually one of those baddies you root for, kinda.

As a non-reader I don't see a single reason why anyone would root for Euron. :lol
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Post by: masterthes on August 01, 2017, 09:41:12 PM: I saw a Youtuber said next week's going to be a big battle scene with Jaime's men and the Dothraki and one of the dragons
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Post by: Adami on August 01, 2017, 10:03:41 PM: Quote from: masterthes on August 01, 2017, 09:41:12 PM
I saw a Youtuber said next week's going to be a big battle scene with Jaime's men and the Dothraki and one of the dragons

Where the hell are the Dothraki? I've seen like....4 of them maybe and it's not a big island. I doubt they all live on ships with their horses.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on August 02, 2017, 02:43:43 AM: Watching GOT sometimes reminds me of playing RPG's. At the beginning you travel everywhere, then as you've explored most of the world and are eager to get to the endgame you just start using 'quick travel' more and more ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: jakepriest on August 02, 2017, 03:58:51 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on August 02, 2017, 02:43:43 AM
Watching GOT sometimes reminds me of playing RPG's. At the beginning you travel everywhere, then as you've explored most of the world and are eager to get to the endgame you just start using 'quick travel' more and more ;D

Oblivion vibes mean. Why you gotta do this :sadpanda:
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Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2017, 06:58:29 AM: :lol so true
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 02, 2017, 01:09:07 PM: Who's going to kill Little Finger?

A.) Arya
B.) Sansa
C.) Random Death
D.) Other (specify)
E.) Doesn't Die....Survives til the End
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on August 02, 2017, 02:18:38 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 02, 2017, 01:09:07 PM
Who's going to kill Little Finger?

A.) Arya
B.) Sansa
C.) Random Death
D.) Other (specify)
E.) Doesn't Die....Survives til the End

Arya
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2017, 02:21:12 PM: Arya definitely seems most likely considering her skills and her current destination, but I think Sansa could also be the one to do it. Or maybe... Nymeria as a wild card?

I don't really see him surviving to the end though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on August 02, 2017, 03:05:27 PM: I feel bad for Sansa. Out of all the remaining Starks, there's nothing special about her. Jon is the King of the North, Bran is the Three Eyed Raven, and Arya is a Faceless assassin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 02, 2017, 03:14:04 PM: Quote from: masterthes on August 02, 2017, 03:05:27 PM
I feel bad for Sansa. Out of all the remaining Starks, there's nothing special about her. Jon is the King of the North, Bran is the Three Eyed Raven, and Arya is a Faceless assassin

Lol saw this earlier...

(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20431623_1431147140271627_995886400186587664_n.jpg?oh=00f8c60dfa2658b39161cb7ae8a7a5a6&oe=5A2FF1C4)

Littlefinger won't make it to the end, but they'll keep around for most of it just to be an asshole. I'm gonna say Arya kills him. With Sansa's face.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2017, 03:28:08 PM: But would that mean Sansa has to die?

Also lol so true about the Stark kids
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 02, 2017, 03:33:40 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 02, 2017, 03:28:08 PM
But would that mean Sansa has to die?

Details, details...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 02, 2017, 03:56:58 PM: Quote from: lonestar on August 02, 2017, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 02, 2017, 03:28:08 PM
But would that mean Sansa has to die?

Details, details...

Yea, but I don't think the thought of Sansa dying is that out there. Her direwolf is dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on August 03, 2017, 05:21:14 AM: Quote from: masterthes on August 02, 2017, 03:05:27 PM
I feel bad for Sansa. Out of all the remaining Starks, there's nothing special about her. Jon is the King of the North, Bran is the Three Eyed Raven, and Arya is a Faceless assassin

Someone has to be the normal one but she is insufferably boring so that means she's probably going to be the last one standing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 03, 2017, 05:43:46 AM: Sophie Turner "wants" her to die, I remember a quote from her "What's the point of being in Game of Thrones if you don't get a spectacular death"?

But someone has to survive somehow... who, even without the details, can be given as marked for certain death one way or the other?

Melisandre and Varys will die, see last episode... they didn't bother to put that line for nothing.

Cersei is toast, can't see her surviving, and neither Jaimie probably.

Dany will die if she will lose it and become a villain.

Littlefinger... I hardly see him making out alive of all his scheming.

Theon may die heroically as a final act of redemption.

Sandor Clegane also may go out in a blaze of glory, I hope for him not literaly.

About the surviving ones... I'd say Tyrion, Arya and Bran might, and of course Hot Pie :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 03, 2017, 06:41:08 AM: Little Finger will be one the last people standing and will fall victim to the white walkers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 03, 2017, 06:53:24 AM: The Night King vs The Mountain in a battle to see who's the most undead..

OK, not really, but I really hope we get to see The Hound vs The Mountain.

I don't think Sansa will be left at the end, but I can see her stabbing Jon Snow in the back, after she gets a taste of power.

Maybe this is just me, but was there a hint of attraction between Daenerys and Jon in episode 3? Did I pick that up wrong?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 03, 2017, 07:11:37 AM: Didn't get that feeling at all, to be honest.

And thank the seven gods Dany doesn't feel like banging her nephew :lol (who has a better claim to the throne than her, let's see if and when she finds out how she'll react)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 03, 2017, 07:21:55 AM: Inbredding was normal for Targaryens. So Dany having the hots for Jon would be fairly normal for the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 03, 2017, 07:32:46 AM: Yep, probably nothing, but who knows?

The part I'm thinking of is when they were alone out on the cliff path, and she tells Jon she's going to allow him to mine the dragonglass. Dany gives Jon a look, but maybe it was as much admiration as anything else. I think she was secretly impressed that he hadn't immediately caved in and bent the knee to her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 03, 2017, 07:35:21 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 03, 2017, 06:41:08 AM
Little Finger will be one the last people standing and will fall victim to the white walkers.

Man I hope not. It really feels like a Stark should kill him since he's the one who got Ned killed
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on August 03, 2017, 10:50:22 AM: Littlefinger won't last this season
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 04, 2017, 05:00:28 AM: If Dany had any sense at all I'd let Greyworm (and the Dothraki) sail/march straight for King's Landing and the red keep. But I guess that won't happen until the end of this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 04, 2017, 09:34:51 AM: (https://i.redditmedia.com/Gf2Q6jm--2zT476WTZ_6QqvYsmop8JYciUCI69-pUxw.jpg?w=595&s=90e02376d8754ffddaaa29e510d4fb10)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 04, 2017, 09:39:49 AM: :lol Very good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 06, 2017, 08:01:36 PM: Quote from: masterthes on August 01, 2017, 09:41:12 PM
I saw a Youtuber said next week's going to be a big battle scene with Jaime's men and the Dothraki and one of the dragons

It's posts like these that make me wary of this thread. Huge GoT fan...but staying out of this thered until season's end. Fn spoilers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on August 06, 2017, 08:35:34 PM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 06, 2017, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: masterthes on August 01, 2017, 09:41:12 PM
I saw a Youtuber said next week's going to be a big battle scene with Jaime's men and the Dothraki and one of the dragons

It's posts like these that make me wary of this thread. Huge GoT fan...but staying out of this thered until season's end. Fn spoilers.

Yea i may have to nope out of this thread until the end of the season.

THis was a fantastic episode though. Watching Tyrion face standing on top of the hill you can see the sadness in his face. I wonder if he will turn on Daenerys
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2017, 08:42:17 PM: F'n fantastic episode
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on August 06, 2017, 08:42:32 PM: That was a totally badass episode. Not sure if my favorite moment was hearing Dracarys on the battlefield for the first time, or Bronn's reaction to Dickon's name. :rollin

Damnit Bronn, that was too close! We almost lost you!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2017, 08:45:54 PM: Would have loved to see Bronn get roasted there. I like the character and all but it'd have been good timing
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on August 06, 2017, 08:51:38 PM: What an amazing episode indeed. Shortest one this season and you can see why, can't have a long ass episode with that much CGI.

Also, an almost full Stark reunion! Great fight scene with Arya and Brienne. I think this episode packed quite a punch with that 50 min runtime.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2017, 08:55:57 PM: That battle scene was intense. Loved the recovery and subsequent smack down from Drogon after getting shot. I was worried he was a goner but glad he was wasn't.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on August 06, 2017, 09:23:04 PM: I'm still processing that battle scene. Man what a roller coaster of emotions with who they might kill in the space of maybe 10 minutes. The way they shot the episode from Bronn's point of view, then Dany, then Jaime, just about anyone could've been killed.

Jon finally meeting with Theon, so many reunions.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 06, 2017, 10:38:28 PM: :omg: :omg: :omg:

Killer episode, so much to process, though aside from the obvious battle, we still seem to be moving chess pieces. My favorite part tbh was the fight scene between Arya and Brienne, so well done, and so much accomplished with such simplicity. Arya, in thirty seconds, became a force in Winterfell with all the principle players.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 06, 2017, 10:55:58 PM: DAMN that was a great episode.

That whole ending battle had my heart racing the whole time. The long lag between hearing the Dothraki and finally seeing them was perfect, and hearing the dragon's roar was just insane.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 07, 2017, 02:38:03 AM: I thought that being a "shorter" episode it was going to be a bit low key, but DAMN!

The Stark reunion was a long time coming, so it was nice to finally get that, although I don't think the reunion with Bran or Arya is quite what Sansa expected. :lol
That battle was fucking intense, and one of the most badass they've had. Seeing people get set on fire never gets old.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 07, 2017, 06:11:38 AM: Killer episode. I didn't realize it was so short. I kept looking at the clock thinking "still have 6 minutes left!", and then it was just over :( Just going to spitball some thoughts as I don't have a whole lot of time.

- Little Finger is pretty scared at this point
- I think Sansa might think she's on Arya's list (she's responsible for her dad's death)
- Bran must know how this entire thing is going to unfold, no? He must have given that dagger to arya for a reason
- Jamie is either going to die by drowning, or he's going to shed his Lanister armor in order to live.
- That mega ballista was way smaller than I thought
- Danny destroyed that ballista and now knows about them. Dragon armor on the way?
- Really surprised there wasn't a major death in that episode
- Did Dany's dragon burn all the food that she was after?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 07, 2017, 06:54:19 AM: Last night's episode was the best episode of any show in the history of television.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:07:35 AM: I'll still argue that Battle of the Bastards was a more impressive battle to watch, even without the dragon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:10:21 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 06:11:38 AM
- Jamie is either going to die by drowning, or he's going to shed his Lanister armor in order to live.

speaking of which, if not for two people covering his a$$ in that battle he's D-E-A-D. Dickon saved his butt with the Dothraki warrior when he was on horseback and I'm assuming that was Bronn who tackled him off that horse right before he was about to get roasted. He's not quite the hand to hand soldier he once was.....no pun intended :biggrin:

Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 07, 2017, 02:38:03 AM
I thought that being a "shorter" episode it was going to be a bit low key, but DAMN!

Yeah...no kidding!!!! Definitely going to watch that one again this week.....just for the Arya/Brianne scene and the battle. That Arya scene was fantastic! Loved how little Finger ans Sansa got to see her show off like that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:12:35 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:07:35 AM
I'll still argue that Battle of the Bastards was a more impressive battle to watch, even without the dragon.

what was cool about that battle was that it was Dany leading her army in the face of having just been owned twice in a row. She didn't mess around with going to burn Euron's ships or some other 'side' deal....she went straight to the Lannister army and took it to them.

I'm wondering why she didn't bring all three Dragons?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on August 07, 2017, 07:23:38 AM: Best. Show. Ever.

:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Is it Sunday yet?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:25:58 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:12:35 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:07:35 AM
I'll still argue that Battle of the Bastards was a more impressive battle to watch, even without the dragon.

what was cool about that battle was that it was Dany leading her army in the face of having just been owned twice in a row. She didn't mess around with going to burn Euron's ships or some other 'side' deal....she went straight to the Lannister army and took it to them.

I'm wondering why she didn't bring all three Dragons?

Maybe she didn't want to show all her cards yet, or risk having them all killed? Or, maybe the other two are heading toward Euron's fleet to try and save some of her unsullied.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:28:44 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:25:58 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:12:35 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:07:35 AM
I'll still argue that Battle of the Bastards was a more impressive battle to watch, even without the dragon.

what was cool about that battle was that it was Dany leading her army in the face of having just been owned twice in a row. She didn't mess around with going to burn Euron's ships or some other 'side' deal....she went straight to the Lannister army and took it to them.

I'm wondering why she didn't bring all three Dragons?

Maybe she didn't want to show all her cards yet, or risk having them all killed? Or, maybe the other two are heading toward Euron's fleet to try and save some of her unsullied.

Could be.

I wonder if that was the bulk of the Lannister Army also? Sure looked like a lot of people....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:34:34 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:28:44 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:25:58 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:12:35 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:07:35 AM
I'll still argue that Battle of the Bastards was a more impressive battle to watch, even without the dragon.

what was cool about that battle was that it was Dany leading her army in the face of having just been owned twice in a row. She didn't mess around with going to burn Euron's ships or some other 'side' deal....she went straight to the Lannister army and took it to them.

I'm wondering why she didn't bring all three Dragons?

Maybe she didn't want to show all her cards yet, or risk having them all killed? Or, maybe the other two are heading toward Euron's fleet to try and save some of her unsullied.

Could be.

I wonder if that was the bulk of the Lannister Army also? Sure looked like a lot of people....

Between that battle and those lost at Casterly Rock, I'd say there can't be a whole lot left. Part of me wonders if those were all legit warriors though, or if some were placeholder slaves or something anticipating a slaughter. They showed that one guy shaking and crying, even before the dragon showed up. I wouldn't think such a person would be allowed into their army.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on August 07, 2017, 07:35:13 AM: So does anyone else understand why Sansa is being such a bitch? She looked pissed when Bran gave the Dagger to Arya and she had total RBF watching Arya train with Brianne. She just jealous or what? I still think that littlefinger won't make it past this season. And what about the "Chaos is a ladder" comment from Brann. Me thinks Brann knows Littlefinger was behind his attempted murder.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:41:28 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 07, 2017, 07:35:13 AM
So does anyone else understand why Sansa is being such a bitch? She looked pissed when Bran gave the Dagger to Arya and she had total RBF watching Arya train with Brianne. She just jealous or what? I still think that littlefinger won't make it past this season.

Well....Bran can see the past and future and Arya is a skilled assasin......she really has nothing to show for the past few years other than some interesting knots in her hair.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on August 07, 2017, 07:47:06 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:41:28 AM
Well....Bran can see the past and future
Can he see the future? I don't think this is the case, unless I've missed something.

And yes, very very good episode though I think it's being a little overhyped. It was superbly made and well-paced though, and had some terrific moments (I loved Arya in Winterfell, and the battle was so enjoyable to watch).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:47:33 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:41:28 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 07, 2017, 07:35:13 AM
So does anyone else understand why Sansa is being such a bitch? She looked pissed when Bran gave the Dagger to Arya and she had total RBF watching Arya train with Brianne. She just jealous or what? I still think that littlefinger won't make it past this season.

Well....Bran can see the past and future and Arya is a skilled assasin......she really has nothing to show for the past few years other than some interesting knots in her hair.

And Jon is basically Jesus
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 07:57:28 AM: What an episode. I'm actually a bit dissapointed with the ending though. Sort of like how the Battle at the Wall ended, yea we saw the battles kind of over, but ending without seeing what happens to Jaimie is kind of annoying. I don't think anyone believes he is going to drown after all that so why end it that way? Having said that, it certainly didn't take away from the awesomeness of what just happened. That battle was really intense. The Dothraki in combat like that against a western army was something I wasn't sure we'd ever see. Then Dany coming in on the dragon to just burn everything was really cool to see. It's interesting how they showed this with Bronn. I think most people really enjoy his character, but imagine if he killed drogon? It's like you are rooting both for and against him. Maybe as well as Jaime, I'm not sure what everyone else thinks of him, but I didn't want him to die. Not after just learning the truth about Joffrey. I wonder how wounded Drogon is going to be now. He seemed to shake it off somewhat, but we don't know if there was any serious damage to his shoulder. Also, that looked like they burned all that money for the bank. After the bank seemingly sucking up to Cersei, I wonder if they just dissapear or if they now back Dany.

And of course the reunions this episode. I totally didn't even think about a Jon and Theon reunion. That was kind of awkward and I was wondering how Jon would react to him, but I guess that worked. The scene in the cave was AWESOME. I loved how they showed the drawings like that, it was kind of freaky to see the white walkers with the blue eyes drawn in the cave in dragonstone. The first men and the children joined forced to fight them. Fuck yea.

Then the rest of the Starks. I've got to wonder how Littlefinger is feeling right now. He thought he had to just win Sansa over and now all of the sudden Bran shows up all knowing of the past. I most certianly believe he knows where that dagger came from. Littlefinger didn't answer the question this time, yet he told Catelyn it was Tyrions. Bran while all knowing now, has kind of turned into a douche. That was sad to see Meera go like that, after all she did to help him. I wonder if we ever see her again. Being that the dagger is Valaryian Steel, I wonder if Arya is going to need to use it against a walker. And then Arya sneaking into Winterfell was great. The look on Littlefingers face was epic as she was dominating Brienne. Bran knowing the list and everything was cool. Why can't he just let everyone know everything?!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 08:06:00 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 07:47:33 AM
And Jon is basically Jesus

:lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 08:09:27 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 07:57:28 AM
Also, that looked like they burned all that money for the bank. After the bank seemingly sucking up to Cersei, I wonder if they just dissapear or if they now back Dany.

No, there was a line delivered early on in the scene where the lead General told Jaime that all the Gold had been delivered to Kings Landing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 08:11:55 AM: Quote from: ariich on August 07, 2017, 07:47:06 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:41:28 AM
Well....Bran can see the past and future
Can he see the future? I don't think this is the case, unless I've missed something.

I was under the impression he could 'see everything'.....maybe I just thought that meant the future as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 07, 2017, 08:12:18 AM: "Chaos is a ladder " was a quote from dialogue that Littlefinger had with Varys in season 3. Bran was letting Littlefinger know that although Jon Snow knows nothing, Bran isn't Jon Snow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on August 07, 2017, 08:17:49 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 07, 2017, 08:12:18 AM
"Chaos is a ladder " was a quote from dialogue that Littlefinger had with Varys in season 3. Bran was letting Littlefinger know that although Jon Snow knows nothing, Bran isn't Jon Snow.
That was an awesome moment.

When Bran reunited with Sansa an episode or two ago, he said something along the lines of "I can see everything that has happened, and is happening". Nothing about seeing into the future, but the past and present.

Popular theory [MAYBE SPOILERS] is that the reason the old Three Eyed Raven seemed to be able to see the future was because Bran will eventually warg back in time and take over his body in the distant past, becoming that same Three Eyed Raven but knowing everything that happened up to and including the point at which he wargs back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 07, 2017, 08:20:53 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 07:57:28 AM
Then the rest of the Starks. I've got to wonder how Littlefinger is feeling right now. He thought he had to just win Sansa over and now all of the sudden Bran shows up all knowing of the past. I most certianly believe he knows where that dagger came from. Littlefinger didn't answer the question this time, yet he told Catelyn it was Tyrions. Bran while all knowing now, has kind of turned into a douche. That was sad to see Meera go like that, after all she did to help him. I wonder if we ever see her again. Being that the dagger is Valaryian Steel, I wonder if Arya is going to need to use it against a walker. And then Arya sneaking into Winterfell was great. The look on Littlefingers face was epic as she was dominating Brienne. Bran knowing the list and everything was cool. Why can't he just let everyone know everything?!

Victoria floated the idea that Arya could kill the night king, steal his face, and then lead the entire white walker army to Cersei.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 08:36:31 AM: Quote from: ariich on August 07, 2017, 08:17:49 AM
When Bran reunited with Sansa an episode or two ago, he said something along the lines of "I can see everything that has happened, and is happening". Nothing about seeing into the future, but the past and present.

Popular theory [MAYBE SPOILERS] is that the reason the old Three Eyed Raven seemed to be able to see the future was because Bran will eventually warg back in time and take over his body in the distant past, becoming that same Three Eyed Raven but knowing everything that happened up to and including the point at which he wargs back.

cool theory, and it's apparent I made the 'seeing the future' part up in my head.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 08:37:19 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 07, 2017, 08:12:18 AM
"Chaos is a ladder " was a quote from dialogue that Littlefinger had with Varys in season 3. Bran was letting Littlefinger know that although Jon Snow knows nothing, Bran isn't Jon Snow.

That is so awesome and it was a perfect reaction by Littlefinger when he heard that.... :omg:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on August 07, 2017, 08:42:12 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 07, 2017, 08:20:53 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 07:57:28 AM
Then the rest of the Starks. I've got to wonder how Littlefinger is feeling right now. He thought he had to just win Sansa over and now all of the sudden Bran shows up all knowing of the past. I most certianly believe he knows where that dagger came from. Littlefinger didn't answer the question this time, yet he told Catelyn it was Tyrions. Bran while all knowing now, has kind of turned into a douche. That was sad to see Meera go like that, after all she did to help him. I wonder if we ever see her again. Being that the dagger is Valaryian Steel, I wonder if Arya is going to need to use it against a walker. And then Arya sneaking into Winterfell was great. The look on Littlefingers face was epic as she was dominating Brienne. Bran knowing the list and everything was cool. Why can't he just let everyone know everything?!

Victoria floated the idea that Arya could kill the night king, steal his face, and then lead the entire white walker army to Cersei.

If I'm not mistaken, Jon killed a white walker at Hardhorne with Longclaw, which is also valyrian steel and the white walker just turned into dust.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 08:47:57 AM: Quote from: Grappler on August 07, 2017, 08:42:12 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Jon killed a white walker at Hardhorne with Longclaw, which is also valyrian steel and the white walker just turned into dust.

yep. that was an awesome scene also!

Would the show have enough time to pull off an Arya venture of that sort.....killing off the Night King and assuming his identity? Seems ambitious.
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Post by: Grappler on August 07, 2017, 08:52:42 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: Grappler on August 07, 2017, 08:42:12 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Jon killed a white walker at Hardhorne with Longclaw, which is also valyrian steel and the white walker just turned into dust.

yep. that was an awesome scene also!

Would the show have enough time to pull off an Arya venture of that sort.....killing off the Night King and assuming his identity? Seems ambitious.

What I tried to say was that if valyrian steel turns white walkers to dust, there would not be a face left for Arya to use.

I was really worried about Bronn and was hating the fact that he could succeed against Drogon, yet be killed in the process.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 09:07:00 AM: Quote from: Grappler on August 07, 2017, 08:52:42 AM
What I tried to say was that if valyrian steel turns white walkers to dust, there would not be a face left for Arya to use.

I was really worried about Bronn and was hating the fact that he could succeed against Drogon, yet be killed in the process.

Gotcha. I think once Arya 'sees' the face she could use it, right?

And, the show has done such a good job at almost forcing you to root for Bronn, that...when placed in that scene where it's he vs. Drogon.....two 'beloved' characters.....it was such an odd feeling. Although I'll admit I was more team Drogon than team Bronn and wanted to see Bronn get burnt to a crisp. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 09:17:37 AM: Yea they really put us viewers in a bad spot watching Bronn vs. Drogon, luckily no one died from that.

Also, I believe the person needs to be dead for Arya to use the face. However, I am not sure if using the face also gives you whatever magical ability the person had. Clearly it allows you to use their voice (like Walder Frey) so maybe it does allow more. Like I am not totally sure if Arya used the Night Kings face if she could actually lead the dead army since I think that's more magic based than an actual leadership. Maybe, but I don't know.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 09:42:02 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 09:17:37 AM
Also, I believe the person needs to be dead for Arya to use the face. However, I am not sure if using the face also gives you whatever magical ability the person had. Clearly it allows you to use their voice (like Walder Frey) so maybe it does allow more. Like I am not totally sure if Arya used the Night Kings face if she could actually lead the dead army since I think that's more magic based than an actual leadership. Maybe, but I don't know.

As cool of a scenario that would be it wouldn't 'feel' right to me. The Night King seems to me to be more or less John's 'kill' or battle....meaning it would make more sense if John were the one to ultimately defeat him. It fits in the story better rather than Arya just showing up and jumping into the middle of it. Her 'fate' lies with Cersi or even Little Finger.....more tied to the 'Kings Landing' side of things.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 09:53:32 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 09:17:37 AM
Also, I believe the person needs to be dead for Arya to use the face. However, I am not sure if using the face also gives you whatever magical ability the person had. Clearly it allows you to use their voice (like Walder Frey) so maybe it does allow more. Like I am not totally sure if Arya used the Night Kings face if she could actually lead the dead army since I think that's more magic based than an actual leadership. Maybe, but I don't know.

As cool of a scenario that would be it wouldn't 'feel' right to me. The Night King seems to me to be more or less John's 'kill' or battle....meaning it would make more sense if John were the one to ultimately defeat him. It fits in the story better rather than Arya just showing up and jumping into the middle of it. Her 'fate' lies with Cersi or even Little Finger.....more tied to the 'Kings Landing' side of things.

Totally agree. I can see Arya heading back south soon. The Night Kind definitely has his eyes on Jon and Jon has his eyes on him.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 02:45:30 PM: Quote from: ariich on August 07, 2017, 08:17:49 AM
Nothing about seeing into the future

...although, now that I've thought about it.....Bran did have a vision of Cersi blowing up the Cept before she actually did it. It might not have been a 'verbatim' vision but he did see her do it.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 07, 2017, 02:57:20 PM: Just watched, still feeling the emotions!!! what a badass episode!!!! :metal

Creepy Bran is creepy.

Arya has made the longest journey and it's finally over. I was almost in tears at the idea of her making it home, but I expected more of her meeting with Sansa. Sansa never cared for Jon, a bastard, and they hugged forever when they met, now the two littler sisters meet and they're just like "'sup sis?"... ok, they hugged, but I expected more.

Anyway, Arya showing off what a badass she became for the W-T-F-'ery of everyone was awesome. Loved the "Who taught you that? no one" line.

And, well, surely I wasn't the only one, but I totally saw it coming with Dany saying "ah, fuck it, let's use dragons". The battle reached levels of absolute badassery not previously known to man or beast. The whole burning battlefield with dark clouds of smoke engulfing it all was terrific. Thanks to Iron Maiden we know of the real horrors of the battle of Paschendale in the mud, this will be instead the fictional battle in the clouds of smoke and fire.

Quote from: Adami on August 06, 2017, 10:55:58 PM
That whole ending battle had my heart racing the whole time. The long lag between hearing the Dothraki and finally seeing them was perfect, and hearing the dragon's roar was just insane.

Absolutely agree! I thought Dany would use just the dragons, but since the show is in a "screw time and distances" mode, she was able to carry the whole Dothraki along. And seeing them appear was gorgeous.

Quote from: cramx3 on August 07, 2017, 07:57:28 AM
Then Dany coming in on the dragon to just burn everything was really cool to see. It's interesting how they showed this with Bronn. I think most people really enjoy his character, but imagine if he killed drogon? It's like you are rooting both for and against him.

That's what I was thinking! It's Bronn so he's cool, but he fights for the Lannisters, which are the bad guys, but she's up against Dany who, truth be told, kinda became a crazy bitch right now, but she's the mother of dragons and aaaaah it was simplier with Lord of the Rings, you knew who to root for :biggrin:

Also, Tyrion having still a soft spot for Jaimie and hoping he doesn't get killed was priceless. I don't question his loyalties like Dany did in a fit of frustrations, but he was very conflicted on the battlefield, he had "Geez what have I done" printed on his face.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on August 07, 2017, 05:57:41 PM: This is by far my favorite season. I came all over myself when dany came roaring through the clouds lighting everyone up. Just incredible.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 07, 2017, 07:04:04 PM: My wife just took the kiddos out for some hair cuts so i fired up the big screen and full blown surround sound and rewatched the battle. Hearing Drogons opening roar cranked up was awesome! That battle was just as intense the second, third and fourth time I watched it.
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Post by: lonestar on August 07, 2017, 07:11:43 PM: So when Bronn first heard the approaching army, did anyone else have this one come to mind...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFufoOgCMW8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFufoOgCMW8)
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Post by: Phoenix87x on August 07, 2017, 07:37:48 PM: I can't believe there are only 3 episodes left in this season :'(
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Post by: lucky7 on August 07, 2017, 08:19:09 PM: Great episode, Great to see Arya home.

I do think Arya will kill Littlefinger with the Dagger, the look on his face as she fought Brienne, I just hope she does it soon.

I always like Bronn, but I did not want him killing a Dragon, I thought he would be toast, but he saves Jamie in the end, shame the Gold was not destroyed.

It will be interesting to see what happens next, especially if Jamie and Bronn are captured, but maybe Bronn didn't survive?!

I want to see Tyrion more next week, his character has taken a back seat of late, foiled plans and all, obviously loves his brother, so if Jamie is captured what would he do, let his brother free, after all Jamie let him free, to kill their father, but still freed him.

Jon showing the cave paintings of the whitewalkers to Dany, does she believe him now?

I could handle all shows doing this every episode, every second is OMG. I have the books on the shelves unread, so this is all new to me....Looking forward to next week. :corn
It is episodes like this, that make me want to binge from the start, that and some of your incredible memories for episode detail.
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Post by: King Postwhore on August 07, 2017, 08:45:45 PM: I look forward to seeing Arya gut Littlefinger.
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Post by: Zydar on August 08, 2017, 02:47:14 AM: Quote from: lonestar on August 07, 2017, 07:11:43 PM
So when Bronn first heard the approaching army, did anyone else have this one come to mind...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFufoOgCMW8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFufoOgCMW8)

:lol

And yeah, awesome episode. That battle scene was epic.
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Post by: soupytwist on August 08, 2017, 04:06:56 AM: Quote from: lucky7 on August 07, 2017, 08:19:09 PM

I always like Bronn, but I did not want him killing a Dragon, I thought he would be toast, but he saves Jamie in the end, shame the Gold was not destroyed.

It seemed to be a blur to me, was it definitely Bronn? Logically it seems like it should be Bronn, but there again they did build up Dickon (/snigger) so could it have been him instead?
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 08, 2017, 04:13:59 AM: Reading other comments from people who looked closely, the general consensus is that it's Bronn.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on August 08, 2017, 04:40:47 AM: Fantastic episode, and excellent visual effects!

For me, Bronn has kind of served his purpose. I liked him early on, but I don't want him to do too much of significance, if you get me. He's a pretty minor character in the books, and they've expanded his role a lot for the show. I think being roasted by a dragon, trying to hang on to his gold would have been a fitting end in this episode.

Maybe they are setting up one final confrontation with Tyrion, where they each have to choose which side they are on..
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Post by: Grappler on August 08, 2017, 06:55:25 AM: Bronn is awesome, and the person that saved Jamie seemed to be wearing all black, so I'd bet it's him. Dickon was wearing armor and it would be tough to fly through the air like that person did. I agree with the above - assuming it's Bronn, it puts them in position to be captured by the Dothraki and then puts them closer to scenes with Tyrion, especially now that Jamie knows that he did not kill Joffrey, though he did kill their father.

I rewatched the battle scene last night and it still took my breath away despite knowing what was going to happen. A lot of the battles happen off screen in this series, and their best episodes tend to be the ones where they have some big battle sequences.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 08, 2017, 07:10:46 AM: I also rewatched just the battle scene earlier. No less awesome the second time.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 07:24:12 AM: I didn't realize until I just read it in an article that the 'Golden Company' is a mercenary group of sell swordsman....apparently the best of the best. I thought that when Cersi and the Iron Bank Rep. were talking and he mentioned them that it was just a competitor bank....not a group of hired soldiers that have the reputation like the unsullied.

that's going to come in handy for Cersi being how decimated her army is right now....and may be the only way to combat the Dothraki and Unsullied because the 'traditional' forms of fighting aren't going to do so well any longer.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 08:27:52 AM: I was thinking about how it's likely Jaimie is captured and will have some face time with Tyrion. We know Jaimie now knows about Joffrey's death and Bronn mentioned how it was clear something was bothering him. Maybe Tyrion tells him about Lancel too and this all convinces Jaimie to go against Cersei. Maybe even so that they let him go so he can kill Cersei. Sort of like how he killed the Mad King (it seems very likely he will have to explain himself to Dany about that) and then he can kill Cersei and open the gates for her army to come in and take the Red Keep although this time he would be smarter and not be sitting on the Iron Throne when it happens since he mentioned earlier this season that he's learned from past mistakes.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 08:47:15 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 08:27:52 AM
I was thinking about how it's likely Jaimie is captured and will have some face time with Tyrion. We know Jaimie now knows about Joffrey's death and Bronn mentioned how it was clear something was bothering him. Maybe Tyrion tells him about Lancel too and this all convinces Jaimie to go against Cersei. Maybe even so that they let him go so he can kill Cersei. Sort of like how he killed the Mad King (it seems very likely he will have to explain himself to Dany about that) and then he can kill Cersei and open the gates for her army to come in and take the Red Keep although this time he would be smarter and not be sitting on the Iron Throne when it happens since he mentioned earlier this season that he's learned from past mistakes.

i was thinking something similar. Having Jaimie as a prisoner would allow Tyrion time to sew the seeds of discord between Jaimie and Cersi. They've shown us anyway that Jaimie is starting to falter in his devotion to Cersi....the looks he's given her.....he's mentioned he had to talk Cersi out of atrocious acts.....there has been multiple instances of people trying to 'warn' him about her....the foreshadowing goes on and on.

It would 'fit' the story if he were to be a prisoner....have one or several conversations with Tyrion.....see Dany outside of war.....then be prisoner swapped for either the Dorne Queen or Eura Greyjoy. then go on to kill Cersi as she's about to commit some wretched act ala the Mad King.
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Post by: Chino on August 08, 2017, 09:17:09 AM: Another interesting aspect could be if Jamie gets captured, Cersei finds out, and does nothing to try and rescue him. She might write him off and choose to attack anyway, giving him a reason to flip.

Is there any way Tyrion could have saved Jaime from the dragon? I've only seen the scene once and it was all a blur.
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Post by: soupytwist on August 08, 2017, 09:18:25 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 08, 2017, 09:17:09 AM

Is there any way Tyrion could have saved Jaime from the dragon? I've only seen the scene once and it was all a blur.

He'd have just bounced off Jamie :)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 09:24:45 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 08, 2017, 09:17:09 AM
Is there any way Tyrion could have saved Jaime from the dragon? I've only seen the scene once and it was all a blur.

I was wondering if he either convinced or commanded one of the soldiers under his command to do it?

I've rewatched and paused that scene a few times and it's near impossible to tell who did it. Logically you'd think Bronn but it's not clear at all....

And....how F'n deep is that Lake :lol I get it if he'd fallen off a boat but that was at the shoreline. Talk about a drop off!!!
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Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 09:29:43 AM: The deepness of the lake is really pissing my coworker off :lol I agree, I don't think it makes sense.

Thinking about it more, they should have just ended the episode with a stare down of Drogon and Jamie. That would have been a real cliffhanger. I really didn't like the way this episode ended.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 09:36:44 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
Thinking about it more, they should have just ended the episode with a stare down of Drogon and Jamie. That would have been a real cliffhanger. I really didn't like the way this episode ended.

Realistically, both Bronn and Jaimie should have been toasted. Drogons fire weapon breath was torching a 20ft wide path....along with however long he kept it going. when Bronn jumped from the Scorpion Crossbow he jumped off to the side then Drogon blew it to bits.....there's no way Bronn's jump cleared the destruction zone of that fire breath. Same as Jaimie when He lined up the archers intially.....Drogon came down and roasted them all and Jaimie was in formation with them? But he moves his horse a bit and he's fine? And whoever his savior was at the end....the blast zone encompasses much more than what a man could just jump from, they both should have been burnt. but....minor details.......still an amazing episode.

And..GOT set a record for number of stuntmen on fire in an episode AND at once on film:

https://ew.com/tv/2017/06/06/game-of-thrones-season-7-fire-record/
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 08, 2017, 09:36:50 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
The deepness of the lake is really pissing my coworker off :lol I agree, I don't think it makes sense.

This is the one thing that has been eating away at me since I saw it. :lol
He was riding along just in the water, then gets tackled off only a couple of meters further and it's a bottomless pit with no side! How many horses and men did they lose in this deceptively deep lake??!
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 08, 2017, 09:52:03 AM: If written well, Jaimie explaining why he killed his father to Dany would be a very nice scene. I think he ever only told Brienne, and never cared about explaining himself with other people, but maybe he would do Dany the courtesy of telling her exactly why.

I'm not so sure however if Jaimie can be turned against Cersei with logic. By now, once we crossed off the R+L=J thing from the list of theories into the list of known facts, the most popular theory is Jaimie killing Cersei, and I expect it to be a desperate spur of the moment thing like it happened with the Mad King.
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Post by: Chino on August 08, 2017, 10:18:33 AM: I've kayaked in rivers where, at the edge, the water was only a foot deep. It was easy to get in the boat, and out of nowhere just after paddling away, the water was at least 20ft deep. You had to be careful not to try and get in too far from the edge because it was quite literally a drop off into the current.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 10:24:51 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 08, 2017, 10:18:33 AM
I've kayaked in rivers where, at the edge, the water was only a foot deep. It was easy to get in the boat, and out of nowhere just after paddling away, the water was at least 20ft deep. You had to be careful not to try and get in too far from the edge because it was quite literally a drop off into the current.

Oh yeah...I've seen instances of it. But even with the shot from below when Jaimie initially starts to sink it's as if he were dropped off a boat in the middle of an ocean.....no sheer underwater cliff nearby....he's just out in the open.

Again....it's a nit picky point....but still a detail that could have easily been solved had they just shot it in a different manner. But I'm sure they wanted a certain 'feel' so they chose to do it that way.
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Post by: Adami on August 08, 2017, 11:44:43 AM: It's hard to imagine Jamie not being captured. I mean, he has to come up to breathe pretty quickly and he'll be surrounded by Dothraki. I doubt they all just left as quick as possible.

And even though Jamie is constantly a prisoner, there are some potential moments for him as a prisoner this time. Reuniting with Tyrion, right after learning that Tyrion didn't murder his kid, and also facing the Dany without threat would be interesting.

Doubt it'll go that way. I'm sure and Bronn will simply just escape.
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Post by: Chino on August 08, 2017, 11:54:26 AM: Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but is Jamie going to be able to remove his armor underwater? You always see in movies people needing help getting their armor on and off because of the way you have to attach everything. I don't know if he can do it unassisted. I think it would be awesome if we saw him struggling and then the dragon's head grabbing him.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 12:28:39 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 08, 2017, 11:54:26 AM
Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but is Jamie going to be able to remove his armor underwater? You always see in movies people needing help getting their armor on and off because of the way you have to attach everything. I don't know if he can do it unassisted. I think it would be awesome if we saw him struggling and then the dragon's head grabbing him.

Yup, they've shown before that he can't do the armor himself with one hand. Also, that's tough regardless and hence the use of a squire. Bronn may be able to help him get it off quickly. I'm not sure how it'll play out, but I have a hard time seeing Jamie dying just yet and an escape seems highly unlikely.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 12:36:32 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
I have a hard time seeing Jamie dying just yet and an escape seems highly unlikely.

It would be an 'odd' way for him to die. Not that it wouldn't be plausible given the weight of the armor, one handed etc that has been discussed.....but for his character to die in that fashion? Why not just have him roasted alive then...why the last minute save by Bronn?
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Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 01:00:19 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
I have a hard time seeing Jamie dying just yet and an escape seems highly unlikely.

It would be an 'odd' way for him to die. Not that it wouldn't be plausible given the weight of the armor, one handed etc that has been discussed.....but for his character to die in that fashion? Why not just have him roasted alive then...why the last minute save by Bronn?

Yup and his knowledge of Joffrey means, to me, he has to let that be known before he does die (if he does).
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 08, 2017, 01:03:50 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
I have a hard time seeing Jamie dying just yet and an escape seems highly unlikely.

It would be an 'odd' way for him to die. Not that it wouldn't be plausible given the weight of the armor, one handed etc that has been discussed.....but for his character to die in that fashion? Why not just have him roasted alive then...why the last minute save by Bronn?

Indeed.

There is no way from a narrative standpoint that they deliberately avoid for him a badass, although horrific, death by dragon fire, only to have him die drowning in the dark with the ambiguity of a cliffhanger and a black screen to let you guess about it.

If Jaimie dies before the end of the show, you can be sure it's gonna be in a very memorable and climatic scene.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 01:40:47 PM: There is speculation/talk that Gendry could make an appearance prior to the end of this season. I'm wondering what significance that could even play? Why even bother? He hasn't been a storyline in forever and I can't imagine they could "make up" time with something cool in the short amount of episodes they have left. What would be the purpose of bringing his character back into the fray? sure he's a bastard son of a King but who really gives a hoot? It'd be near impossible to even prove that at this point for him.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 01:44:58 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 01:40:47 PM
There is speculation/talk that Gendry could make an appearance prior to the end of this season. I'm wondering what significance that could even play? Why even bother? He hasn't been a storyline in forever and I can't imagine they could "make up" time with something cool in the short amount of episodes they have left. What would be the purpose of bringing his character back into the fray? sure he's a bastard son of a King but who really gives a hoot? It'd be near impossible to even prove that at this point for him.

Davos knows who he is. Talk The Thrones brought this up, he knows how to weld Valyrian Steel. He would be useful in the war against the White Walkers.

Spoiler:
I wish I didn't know about this, but while Talk the Thrones was talking about this, they said it is confirmed he will be back this season as the actor said so apparently.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 01:47:59 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 01:44:58 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 01:40:47 PM
Davos knows who he is. Talk The Thrones brought this up, he knows how to weld Valyrian Steel. He would be useful in the war against the White Walkers.

Ahh...good point. He would be handy then. Maybe after the dust settles from it all.....both wars when everyone has been beat to shreds he's the one who will end up on the Throne?
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Post by: Chino on August 08, 2017, 01:52:28 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
I have a hard time seeing Jamie dying just yet and an escape seems highly unlikely.

It would be an 'odd' way for him to die. Not that it wouldn't be plausible given the weight of the armor, one handed etc that has been discussed.....but for his character to die in that fashion? Why not just have him roasted alive then...why the last minute save by Bronn?

Bronn could die by drowning because he chose to try and save Jamie (successfully) and runs out of air on the way up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 02:01:33 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 08, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
Bronn could die by drowning because he chose to try and save Jamie (successfully) and runs out of air on the way up.

even that would seem like a cheesy way for him to die. If they expanded the scene and show him making the effort to remove Jaimie's armor etc. then pushing him to safety or something then drowning.....then 'maybe' that'd be alright. But to have him just drown seems a bit anti climactic for his character....in the same line of reasoning as it was for Jaimie's. Bronn seems to 'deserve' a better....more brutal death :lol

Maybe he saves Jaimie...pulls him out of the water and as their surrounded he defends Jaimie from the Dothraki soldiers ultimately leading to his brutal death....just long enough for Tyrion or Dany to show up and spare Jaimie??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 08, 2017, 03:02:29 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Chino on August 08, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
Bronn could die by drowning because he chose to try and save Jamie (successfully) and runs out of air on the way up.

even that would seem like a cheesy way for him to die. If they expanded the scene and show him making the effort to remove Jaimie's armor etc. then pushing him to safety or something then drowning.....then 'maybe' that'd be alright. But to have him just drown seems a bit anti climactic for his character....in the same line of reasoning as it was for Jaimie's. Bronn seems to 'deserve' a better....more brutal death :lol

Maybe he saves Jaimie...pulls him out of the water and as their surrounded he defends Jaimie from the Dothraki soldiers ultimately leading to his brutal death....just long enough for Tyrion or Dany to show up and spare Jaimie??

I could see that.

I can't remember what terms Tyrion and Bronn left on.. little help folks?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 08, 2017, 03:07:34 PM: "I like you, pampered little shit that you are. I just... like myself more".

That was Bronn refusing to be his champion in the impending trial by combat against the Mountain.

So they left on good terms, Tyrion understood he wouldn't go that far for him. There was mutual respect but Bronn wasn't just ready to very possibly die for him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 08, 2017, 03:41:56 PM: Ah yes, now I remember. Just trying to figure it out if Tyrion happens to capture both Jaime and Bronn, lot's of options on the table.

I even see one where Tyrion is the one who brings everyone together, he seems to have a good relationship with almost all except Cersei, right?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 05:25:24 PM: I might have just let my 11 year old son watch the battle scene. ??? I couldn't help it, he loves Dragons and syfy stuff so i felt the need to show him. ''Twas a massive "you better not tell your mom" moment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 08, 2017, 06:59:22 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 05:25:24 PM
I might have just let my 11 year old son watch the battle scene. ??? I couldn't help it, he loves Dragons and syfy stuff so i felt the need to show him. ''Twas a massive "you better not tell your mom" moment.

Oh that's nothing. When we were kids (I can't remember how much older you are than me) but we had the original Transformers movie when we were little kids and watched our childhood heroes get brutally murdered in front of us while groveling.

So seeing a bunch of no-faces get killed quickly is nothing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 07:26:14 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 08, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 05:25:24 PM
I might have just let my 11 year old son watch the battle scene. ??? I couldn't help it, he loves Dragons and syfy stuff so i felt the need to show him. ''Twas a massive "you better not tell your mom" moment.

Oh that's nothing. When we were kids (I can't remember how much older you are than me) but we had the original Transformers movie when we were little kids and watched our childhood heroes get brutally murdered in front of us while groveling.

So seeing a bunch of no-faces get killed quickly is nothing.

I'm (41). I remember that original Transformer movie. My parents were not strict with me and my brothers as far as movies ratings and what we could and couldn't watch growing up

My wife and I have been a lot more strict with our kiddos as far as limiting their exposure to outright violence. We've loosened up a bit lately letting them (10 yrs, 11 yrs) watch some PG-13 movies like Mazerunmer, some Transformers...stuff like that.

I thought that battle scene had the least amount of gore I'd seen on GOT and the Dragon was just awesome
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 08, 2017, 07:28:20 PM: Think of it as a teachable moment.

Next time your son is staring down a whole army of approaching Dothraki and his friend tells him to get the hell out of there.....he will!

So showing your son that episode may have very well saved his life.

Dad of the year? I think so.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2017, 08:07:07 PM: Part of me feels like at some point, almost out of no where, the faceless men will come for Arya. I just don't feel like they would really just let her just walk out of there like that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 08:40:07 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2017, 08:07:07 PM
Part of me feels like at some point, almost out of no where, the faceless men will come for Arya. I just don't feel like they would really just let her just walk out of there like that.

I think the whole point of them choosing her WAS for her to walk out of there like that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 10:08:22 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2017, 08:07:07 PM
Part of me feels like at some point, almost out of no where, the faceless men will come for Arya. I just don't feel like they would really just let her just walk out of there like that.

I think the whole point of them choosing her WAS for her to walk out of there like that.

Yea, that last moment she had with Jaquen seemed like that was all done for a reason. I don't know that for fact, but that was the taste left in my mouth from the whole experience. Almost like the faceless men knew about her list and wanted her to proceed with it. (or at least gave their blessing)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 10:28:04 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2017, 08:07:07 PM
Part of me feels like at some point, almost out of no where, the faceless men will come for Arya. I just don't feel like they would really just let her just walk out of there like that.

I think the whole point of them choosing her WAS for her to walk out of there like that.

Yea, that last moment she had with Jaquen seemed like that was all done for a reason. I don't know that for fact, but that was the taste left in my mouth from the whole experience. Almost like the faceless men knew about her list and wanted her to proceed with it. (or at least gave their blessing)

Her entire experience with the faceless men and Jaquen in particular was choreographed by him/them. He "just so happened" to be a prisoner in the path of her travel when we know he could have escaped at anytime. He befriended her and more or less implored her to seek him out by giving her that coin.

I think you're on to something with the sentiment that there were/are people they want dead and she was going to be the perfect weapon to get it done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 09, 2017, 04:34:07 AM: Wow, that was intense!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 09, 2017, 04:43:38 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 08, 2017, 08:07:07 PM
Part of me feels like at some point, almost out of no where, the faceless men will come for Arya. I just don't feel like they would really just let her just walk out of there like that.

I think the whole point of them choosing her WAS for her to walk out of there like that.

Yea, that last moment she had with Jaquen seemed like that was all done for a reason. I don't know that for fact, but that was the taste left in my mouth from the whole experience. Almost like the faceless men knew about her list and wanted her to proceed with it. (or at least gave their blessing)

Her entire experience with the faceless men and Jaquen in particular was choreographed by him/them. He "just so happened" to be a prisoner in the path of her travel when we know he could have escaped at anytime. He befriended her and more or less implored her to seek him out by giving her that coin.

I think you're on to something with the sentiment that there were/are people they want dead and she was going to be the perfect weapon to get it done.

That actually makes a lot of sense. I didn't even look at it that way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Shooters1221 on August 09, 2017, 05:43:21 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 08, 2017, 09:36:50 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
The deepness of the lake is really pissing my coworker off :lol I agree, I don't think it makes sense.

This is the one thing that has been eating away at me since I saw it. :lol
He was riding along just in the water, then gets tackled off only a couple of meters further and it's a bottomless pit with no side! How many horses and men did they lose in this deceptively deep lake??!

Man, I'm going to miss this show when it ends, what a run.

That being said, my sister said the same thing about the depth of the lake and how it made no sense. I'm like...."you just saw a fire breathing dragon flying through the sky with mom riding on the back. a land of giants, night kings, the faceless, and 3 eyed raven and your complaining how the depth of the lake is unrealistic?" Pretty much anything is possible with this show as they have shown many times. Things like that just bounce right off of me anymore.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2017, 05:50:11 AM: Quote from: Shooters1221 on August 09, 2017, 05:43:21 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 08, 2017, 09:36:50 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 08, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
The deepness of the lake is really pissing my coworker off :lol I agree, I don't think it makes sense.

This is the one thing that has been eating away at me since I saw it. :lol
He was riding along just in the water, then gets tackled off only a couple of meters further and it's a bottomless pit with no side! How many horses and men did they lose in this deceptively deep lake??!

Man, I'm going to miss this show when it ends, what a run.

That being said, my sister said the same thing about the depth of the lake and how it made no sense. I'm like...."you just saw a fire breathing dragon flying through the sky with mom riding on the back. a land of giants, night kings, the faceless, and 3 eyed raven and your complaining how the depth of the lake is unrealistic?" Pretty much anything is possible with this show as they have shown many times. Things like that just bounce right off of me anymore.

It's more about internal consistency. The lake we saw from below didn't really have continuity with what we saw from above. If the dragons suddenly started shooting lasers from its eyes, I'd have a problem with that too. :lol
It's not like it was a big deal that ruined anything, but in the moment it was a little jarring. Still one of the greatest scenes ever seen on television, no doubt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 09, 2017, 06:22:23 AM: The depth of the lake thing didn't bother me too much. But, with the weight of that armour, plus a golden hand, Jaime is going to sink like a stone. If he's going to survive, or be rescued, he's going to have to shed that armour pretty quickly.

I hope they show that, or I think that would bother me.. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on August 09, 2017, 06:33:56 AM: You know a show is good when the only thing people can find to complain about is the depth of a lake.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 09, 2017, 07:24:12 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 09, 2017, 06:33:56 AM
You know a show is good when the only thing people can find to complain about is the depth of a lake.

So true. It really is just a nit pick. I wouldn't qualify it as a full on complaint.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2017, 07:28:43 AM: If the biggest nitpick I have this season that the water was too deep when the knight got tackled off his horse into the water to save him from the fire breathing dragon, then I'm not too bothered. :lol Every episode this season has been immense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 09, 2017, 07:34:27 AM: I think the compression of time and distance this season is maybe a more valid nitpick, but most people are ok with it as it feels like everything is ramping up to a conclusion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2017, 07:39:11 AM: I'm ok with the compression of time, because they really need to focus on the core arcs at this point, which means less time for those moments that mostly serve to pass time and develop characters a bit. I'm fine to just assume there is time taken inbetween what we see on screen, but it's not vital to the story to show it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 09, 2017, 07:47:32 AM: Agreed. We've spent enough time with each of the main characters to get a good feel for who they are and what they're about. Now we get to see how it all comes together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 09, 2017, 07:59:23 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2017, 07:39:11 AM
I'm ok with the compression of time, because they really need to focus on the core arcs at this point, which means less time for those moments that mostly serve to pass time and develop characters a bit. I'm fine to just assume there is time taken inbetween what we see on screen, but it's not vital to the story to show it.

Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 09, 2017, 07:47:32 AM
Agreed. We've spent enough time with each of the main characters to get a good feel for who they are and what they're about. Now we get to see how it all comes together.

Yep. they are way past the point of 'developing' these characters any further. There may be some revelations or behaviors about them that change thier characters a bit more....Jaimie killing Cersi, John finding out he's a Targaryen etc etc......but all in all these characters are who they are now and the 'end game' has been set in motion.....with quite a full head of steam.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2017, 08:03:19 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 09, 2017, 07:59:23 AM
Yep. they are way past the point of 'developing' these characters any further. There may be some revelations or behaviors about them that change thier characters a bit more....Jaimie killing Cersi, John finding out he's a Targaryen etc etc......but all in all these characters are who they are now and the 'end game' has been set in motion.....with quite a full head of steam.

Related to what you said, I think a lot of the character development from here on out will be more directly tied to moving the plot forward, rather than in the past where character development has often paid off much later on. They're still doing that too, but there's less time for them to plan forward for now. It's rewarding to see it all play out now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 09, 2017, 08:08:22 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2017, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 09, 2017, 07:59:23 AM
Yep. they are way past the point of 'developing' these characters any further. There may be some revelations or behaviors about them that change thier characters a bit more....Jaimie killing Cersi, John finding out he's a Targaryen etc etc......but all in all these characters are who they are now and the 'end game' has been set in motion.....with quite a full head of steam.

Related to what you said, I think a lot of the character development from here on out will be more directly tied to moving the plot forward, rather than in the past where character development has often paid off much later on. They're still doing that too, but there's less time for them to plan forward for now.

Yeah. the time/limited episode constraint really puts a damper on them being able to introduce any new character of any significance. Gendry is a wild card because we kind of know his deal....but I can't see them bringing a whole new, important character into the mix. Just doesn't seem like enough 'time' to make them relevant.

As you said, character development of the 'main' characters going forward is going to be used to advance the story....ie John being Targaryan and so on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 09, 2017, 08:26:03 AM: Great interview with the director of the last episode.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/arts/television/game-of-thrones-dragon-battle-was-inspired-by-apocalypse-now-and-saving-private-ryan.html
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Implode on August 09, 2017, 11:31:40 AM: Definitely felt the Saving Private Ryan influence. It felt very visceral and real.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zydar on August 09, 2017, 01:12:55 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/aU1I6IA.jpg)

"You want a drink? Then bend the knee".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 09, 2017, 09:17:22 PM: You gotta wonder if the 'bend the knee' thing became a running joke on and off set.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on August 09, 2017, 09:37:12 PM: So many nerds want to bend the knee so bad.

Too bad they never knew of calisthenics.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lucky7 on August 09, 2017, 10:42:59 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 09, 2017, 08:08:22 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2017, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 09, 2017, 07:59:23 AM
Yep. they are way past the point of 'developing' these characters any further. There may be some revelations or behaviors about them that change thier characters a bit more....Jaimie killing Cersi, John finding out he's a Targaryen etc etc......but all in all these characters are who they are now and the 'end game' has been set in motion.....with quite a full head of steam.

Related to what you said, I think a lot of the character development from here on out will be more directly tied to moving the plot forward, rather than in the past where character development has often paid off much later on. They're still doing that too, but there's less time for them to plan forward for now.

Yeah. the time/limited episode constraint really puts a damper on them being able to introduce any new character of any significance. Gendry is a wild card because we kind of know his deal....but I can't see them bringing a whole new, important character into the mix. Just doesn't seem like enough 'time' to make them relevant.

As you said, character development of the 'main' characters going forward is going to be used to advance the story....ie John being Targaryan and so on.

I would love to see Gendry come back into it and team up with Arya .. I always liked them together... But there may not be enough time left to develop that.
Again I have no idea of direction the book's went in.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 09, 2017, 11:34:36 PM: (https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20664797_1439582342761440_8313411352121041524_n.jpg?oh=039693cc31e5a9c193b9f75e45ed35f7&oe=5A38E1B6)

The horse ain't dead yet folks...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2017, 11:45:30 PM: :lol

One other thing I saw on Talk The Thrones was that why hasn't Jon told Dany about Maester Amon? He was a Targ! I guess he seems to have gotten on her good side regardless, but that would also help win her over I'd think if she knew about him. I guess maybe there is no one besides Sam that could collaborate that story maybe?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: NoseofNicko on August 10, 2017, 06:15:09 PM: Quote from: Zydar on August 09, 2017, 01:12:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aU1I6IA.jpg)

"You want a drink? Then bend the knee".

:lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 10, 2017, 07:05:09 PM: Quote from: lonestar on August 09, 2017, 11:34:36 PM
(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20664797_1439582342761440_8313411352121041524_n.jpg?oh=039693cc31e5a9c193b9f75e45ed35f7&oe=5A38E1B6)

The horse ain't dead yet folks...

Lakegate 2017 lives on :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 11, 2017, 08:56:42 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 08, 2017, 05:25:24 PM
I might have just let my 11 year old son watch the battle scene. ??? I couldn't help it, he loves Dragons and syfy stuff so i felt the need to show him. ''Twas a massive "you better not tell your mom" moment.

What my kids are slowly learning is that my wife and I don't 'keep secrets' from each other when concerning raising them....so of course I let her know I had let the boys watch that battle scene. I described it to her and told her I really didn't think it was all that bad and that they really just saw a big cool looking dragon breathing fire on people.....anyway.....

Fast forward to last night and my youngest son (who I didn't let watch but he knew I let his brothers) decided that he's going to try and get daddy in trouble (in a joking manner) and tries to rat me out. When my wife said "I already know" the look on his face and his brothers was pretty funny....and when we told them that we don't keep secrets from one another you could tell they were really mulling that one over in their head :lol like 'uh oh...??"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2017, 08:59:01 AM: :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 11, 2017, 09:01:03 AM: Is there a remote possibly that Tyrion is keeping his hand close to his chest and secretly has his eye on the throne for himself?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2017, 09:03:49 AM: Always possible, but I never really though of him as someone who wanted that power. If anything, he's often expressed his desire to get Casterly Rock. I'd imagine that's what he wants in the end, if not to be hand of the king/queen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 11, 2017, 09:29:44 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 11, 2017, 09:03:49 AM
Always possible, but I never really though of him as someone who wanted that power. If anything, he's often expressed his desire to get Casterly Rock. I'd imagine that's what he wants in the end, if not to be hand of the king/queen.

This is the impression I got as well. That he had more interest in having Casterly Rock as his own....as a huge FU to his Dad and Cersi.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DragonAttack on August 11, 2017, 12:23:18 PM: Staying mostly away from this thread since the ytuber spoiler, but......all the conversations, drama, battles, reunions, etc.... take you to where you go 'this can't be topped' (think 'Battle of Blackwater' in Season 2, last years epic Jon v. Ramsey), and then we get THIS !!!!!

Holy frickin' crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM: While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2017, 12:33:17 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.

Agreed. I'm not into the spoilers so whatever I say is based on opinion, observation, and I know I do mix book info into my thoughts as well. I guess that can be considered spoiler, but I know I don't know anything about the future episodes. I'd hope others do the same in this thread. I may be speaking for others here, but I don't think the people active in this thread want to be spoiled.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 11, 2017, 12:33:38 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.

I don't even watch the previews for the next episode, after the credits.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:34:30 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 11, 2017, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.

I don't even watch the previews for the next episode, after the credits.

I'm the same way. I like going into things 100% blind.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 11, 2017, 06:07:31 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.

Total dick move. Any talk of new episodes should only happen after the west coast airing time....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on August 11, 2017, 07:51:10 PM: Quote from: lonestar on August 11, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.

Total dick move. Any talk of new episodes should only happen after the west coast airing time....

I'm cool with that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: chknptpie on August 12, 2017, 07:32:56 AM: Quote from: lonestar on August 11, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.

Total dick move. Any talk of new episodes should only happen after the west coast airing time....
You don't get the 6pm showing on HBOeHD??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 12, 2017, 07:52:40 AM: Quote from: lonestar on August 11, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.

Total dick move. Any talk of new episodes should only happen after the west coast airing time....

While I agree it's bad form to talk massive spoilers that one may have gleened from online.....I automatically assume on the nights GOT airs that anytime after 8:00 Central anything in the thread after that could be 'spoiler' material for that episode should I choose to click in.

For the most part the immediate comments after the episodes in here are 'that was insane' or 'wow, what an incredible episode' and then everyone really starts the conversation late sunday early monday.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 12, 2017, 08:15:58 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 12, 2017, 07:52:40 AM
Quote from: lonestar on August 11, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: Chino on August 11, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
While I know it's assumed that spoilers exist in this thread, I'm hoping that we can all agree that un-aired spoilers are a dick move and not welcome here.

Total dick move. Any talk of new episodes should only happen after the west coast airing time....

While I agree it's bad form to talk massive spoilers that one may have gleened from online.....I automatically assume on the nights GOT airs that anytime after 8:00 Central anything in the thread after that could be 'spoiler' material for that episode should I choose to click in.

For the most part the immediate comments after the episodes in here are 'that was insane' or 'wow, what an incredible episode' and then everyone really starts the conversation late sunday early monday.

If the content has officially aired on HBO, all talk is fair gane. If a hacker leaks an episode two weeks early, discussion of those spoilers should be 100% off limits.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 12, 2017, 08:57:59 AM: I just avoid this thread like plauge from Sunday afternoon to when I usually see the episode on Monday night.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 12, 2017, 12:10:00 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 12, 2017, 08:57:59 AM
I just avoid this thread like plauge from Sunday afternoon to when I usually see the episode on Monday night.

Same here, sometimes I'm browsing the forum on Monday (I watch it in the evening), and I say "ah, nice, new discussions on Got... no, wait a moment, don't enter" :lol

I already dread one year from now the series finale. Will the internet be able to shut up for 24 hours or pull a nighter and watch it in real time? or just avoid completely Facebook for a day ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 12, 2017, 07:28:29 PM: Quote from: chknptpie on August 12, 2017, 07:32:56 AM
Quote from: lonestar on August 11, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
Total dick move. Any talk of new episodes should only happen after the west coast airing time....
You don't get the 6pm showing on HBOeHD??

I do, but I have someplace I have to be from 6-7 on Sundays. :p
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 13, 2017, 04:51:01 AM: I could have downloaded last week's leaked episode early, but decided what's the point unless everyone else has watched it too, so waited until the regular time. But I figure once it's aired somewhere in the US, don't come into the thread until you've seen it.
I don't know if there are any other spoilers out there, and I don't want to know. Luckily I entirely forgot when someone spoiled that there was the dragon battle last week. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 13, 2017, 07:36:46 AM: It would have been pretty wild if Jon snow would have grown the silver/white hair of a targaryen. Luckily for Ned, he grew the stark hair color.

And Honestly, I think Rhaegar is my favorite character, even though we've never seen them
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on August 13, 2017, 08:22:33 PM: Spoilers for EastWatch

This episode was a mine field of important information! Maybe the most important one of all. The king of the north is not a bastard. OMG! Such a casual drop of information!
That scene with Drogon and Jon was fucking epic.

Littlefinger fingering things as usual. Will have to find a screen grab of that scroll that Arya reads. Can't believe the congregation of characters at the end of the episode, it's like a mini fellowship of the rings.

Gendry's finally stopped rowing! Jaime and Tyrion!

So much awesome sauce in this episode. I honestly can't handle this anymore, that episode did not feel like an hour at all. Down to the final two epic showdowns.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on August 13, 2017, 08:44:06 PM: I have to say that I thought episode 3 this season was the best dialogue this season but then episode 5 comes along and kicks it in the nuts. Every scene was so important that not a line felt wasted.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on August 13, 2017, 08:52:36 PM: Awesome episode, so much to take in, so much to yet happen.

I can't fucking believe cersei lannister is fucking pregnant again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on August 13, 2017, 09:18:14 PM: That is probably the most bad-ass group of men that they've ever had on the show. Some writer's wet dream of people who fuck shit up with swords all teaming up - Jon Snow, Tormund, Jorah, The Hound, Beric/Thoros - even Gendry. I can't wait for next week.

Loved seeing Gendry again - I had a feeling Davros was going to look for him, loved Tyrion and Jamie. Cersei keeps getting weirder and weirder. Jon and the Dragon was awesome, and then Jorah returning to his Kahleesi to break up the romantic moment. This season is so cool for just pairing up so many characters that had always been split apart. I watch and just feel giddy seeing them all together. Except for Sam - my heart just breaks for the guy and I'm glad to see him walking away.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lucky7 on August 13, 2017, 10:12:21 PM: Thank you for the info on the episode guys, I am stuck at work for about the next 6 hours until I can watch it.... :sad:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 13, 2017, 11:06:35 PM: Gahhhh what a dick place to end the episode. Swear I could watch hours on end of this damn show.

I'll wait a day or so before commenting fully...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 14, 2017, 03:53:31 AM: I didn't pick up on the info about Jon Snow because I'm shit with names, so it didn't register.
The dialogue this season has been excellent, but Davos is on fire. His comment about Gendry still rowing was perfect. Too much else to comment on. Everything is so good. :lol

I haven't bothered to look on the net, but this is what I can read of the hidden note, which gives a good idea anyway-

...is dead, killed from wounds he took in a boar hunt.....
...Joffrey and tried to steal his throne - The Lannisters.....
...King's Landing and swear ___ to king Joffrey.....
Your faithful? sister Sansa
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on August 14, 2017, 05:23:49 AM: The note turned out to be an older one, the one Sansa writes to Rob presumably forced by Cersei to come to King's Landing and bend the knee. Not sure what Little finger's game plan with that is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on August 14, 2017, 06:20:13 AM: just to set up conflict between Arya and Sansa. Littlefinger knows Arya is trouble, so he wants her out of the way
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2017, 06:46:24 AM: wow, quite a lot to think about after that one

The tease with Jon and his eventual dragon was awesome.

Onion Knight :metal Davos has always been and continues to be one of my favorite characters. Wheeling and dealing and talkin his way out of trouble. I love it.

For being no one, Arya was a little careless. Little finger is no joke and now that she was seen by one of his spies, its going to get interesting.

Again, its interesting watching dany. Just on her own, she got like a handful of soldiers to bend the knee, but its only after the terrifying dragon roars, do the rest bow down. Those soldiers decided to follow out of fear, not because they believed in her cause. And Its hard to respect a leader that just throws their weight around like that.

And that's why I love jon Snow. He's not a beta simp like Jorah. Dany tries to get all "I haven't given you permission to leave" on him and he's like "I don't need your permission". Hell yeah :metal

I love the part with sam where gilly just happens to read the thing about Rheagar and the annulment :lol Holy shit. VITALLY important info OMG.

And personally, If I was Tully and someone gave me the option to bend the knee or burn, then I would bend the knee to survive and then plot against her. You don't have to lose the war just because you lost a battle. (Him bending the knee for the moment would have saved his son as well)

Watch Gendry end up on the throne at the end and it returns right back to base line full circle with a boratheon on the throne :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on August 14, 2017, 07:38:42 AM: Another fantastic episode. I feel this was really the setup for the final two episodes of the season. I'm thinking they bring a dead man to kings landing in the final episode and Cersei try's to pull some shit and Jamie, now understanding the true scope of the threat coming, kills her. Also, I think we're finally going to get to see the Hound kill the mountain for good this time.

Also, fuck littlefinger. He is approaching Joffery territory for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Implode on August 14, 2017, 08:29:24 AM: I cannot wait until Arya slices up Littlefinger (at least I really hope that's how it's going to go).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 08:31:15 AM: Such a cool episode...of which most of the highlights have been mentioned. I know with the revelation that Little Finger basically set Arya up the whole time by luring her to follow him....he believes he has the upper hand. Sure he may cause some strife between the sisters but lets be honest....they aren't as close as they were when they were young as you can see even without his involvement they are already beginning to clash a bit.

But what he doesn't seem to grasp is the fact that Arya will F'n kill him without even one after thought :lol He's accustomed to playing a 'game' with people who are weaker than he...but Arya is certainly a worthwhile 'opponent' with the added feature that her end game is you being dead.

'they' basically told us that Jaimie is going to kill Cersi. Her telling/warning him to 'never betray me again'....c'mon, for this show it seemed like pretty lazy foreshadowing IMO....but he's certainly going to kill her now. IF this armistice holds and they do end up meeting to view the captured White Walker...I'll assume that's when Cersi will attempt to break the treaty and try to end it once and for all by killing Dany, Jon or Tyrion or all of them. That would challenge Jaimie's honor and code as a 'soldier'...(Cersi was clear to him that's all he is) which will force him to betray her and kill her.

That scene with Jon and Drogon....how friggin cool was that!! That scene coupled with the annulment revelation makes me feel like they'll have Jon's true lineage revealed to all this season. I can't imagine they'd drag that out into the final season.

Is it me or did they make it feel like Dany is falling for Jon? She certainly had some longing eyes for him and was a tad upset when learning he'd be leaving to go. I guess if twins are shagging then it's no big deal for cousins to marry, right?

I was initially put off by the prospect of Gendry coming back after such a long absence but it actually worked out quite well and seemed to immediately fit in to the story. that was well done.

And finally, what a group of characters heading north..wow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 08:31:58 AM: Quote from: Implode on August 14, 2017, 08:29:24 AM
I cannot wait until Arya slices up Littlefinger (at least I really hope that's how it's going to go).

it seems as if that's the way they are taking this. She's not going to just sit and take his crap. He has no idea of who he's F'n with.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2017, 08:52:04 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 08:31:15 AM

Is it me or did they make it feel like Dany is falling for Jon? She certainly had some longing eyes for him and was a tad upset when learning he'd be leaving to go. I guess if twins are shagging then it's no big deal for cousins to marry, right?

I definitely noticed that too. The question is:

Will she find out they are related before or after they start making out and will she even care, since her family loves the incest?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 09:09:59 AM: Oh and.....I suppose that single Scorpion Crossbow bolt wasn't all that devastating to Drogon. He seems to have brushed it off.

And, being that we spent so much time ragging on it all week....the elephant in the room is the fact Jaimie swam a quarter mile or so in a really deep river in full Armor without drowning :lol honestly, I can completely over look it...it is what it is.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 14, 2017, 09:14:48 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 09:09:59 AM
And, being that we spent so much time ragging on it all week....the elephant in the room is the fact Jaimie swam a quarter mile or so in a really deep river in full Armor without drowning :lol honestly, I can completely over look it...it is what it is.....

Oh yeah, that too. :lol Did Jaimie even swim it, or did Bronn drag him that whole way? The whole thing was ridiculous, but again, I can let it slide.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 14, 2017, 11:54:06 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 08:31:15 AM
That scene with Jon and Drogon....how friggin cool was that!! That scene coupled with the annulment revelation makes me feel like they'll have Jon's true lineage revealed to all this season. I can't imagine they'd drag that out into the final season.
Yea that was really awesome and the way Dany looks at him... :zydar:

Overall, really cool episode with lots of things set in motion.

and yea what a bad-ass group of people at the end. :corn
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 14, 2017, 11:59:01 AM: So here's my post to make everyone turn on me. Mwahahaha.

I loved the episode. Really did. So don't take what I'm about to say as criticism as much as just a thought I had.

Did anyone else feel like that his last episode really felt like a lot of (amazing) fan-fiction?

1) Jon pets a dragon while Dany looks at him longingly.
2) Gendry comes back and even has a joke about him rowing.
3) Tyrion and Jamie meet up again
4) Super important, on the nose and randomly placed throwaway line about Jon's heritage.
5) Arya/Littlefinger plotting against each other
6) Huge group of every awesome character making a little fellowship at the end to fight white walkers.
7) Jorah reunites with Dany
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Implode on August 14, 2017, 11:59:39 AM: Re: showing Jon and Dany as a pairing,

Yeah, the show made it pretty obvious by having Jon literally take Jorah's place as they were saying goodbye. Not a fan of the pairing though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 12:12:46 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 14, 2017, 11:59:01 AM
So here's my post to make everyone turn on me. Mwahahaha.

I loved the episode. Really did. So don't take what I'm about to say as criticism as much as just a thought I had.

Did anyone else feel like that his last episode really felt like a lot of (amazing) fan-fiction?

1) Jon pets a dragon while Dany looks at him longingly.
2) Gendry comes back and even has a joke about him rowing.
3) Tyrion and Jamie meet up again
4) Super important, on the nose and randomly placed throwaway line about Jon's heritage.
5) Arya/Littlefinger plotting against each other
6) Huge group of every awesome character making a little fellowship at the end to fight white walkers.
7) Jorah reunites with Dany

I think the rowing Joke was about the only fan service going on there. I get what you're saying about it all seemingly being a little to perfect and lining up with a lot of the speculation and 'hopes' of the fans.....but all the other points you make fit the narrative perfectly. They just make sense. I think it's less 'fan fiction' and more of that's just where the story was leading/has led us.

At this point of the story and show I think we're beyond the seemingly random and out of nowhere deaths of 'main' characters or game changing plot developments for them. Not that I don't think there won't be some really cool moments....even moments 'we' the fans have yet to speculate about....but all in all they're just telling the story the way it should be told. Internet discussion and a rabid fandom is the only reason it feels like 'fan fiction' a bit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 14, 2017, 01:24:02 PM: Like I said, it wasn't criticism. So I wasn't arguing that it didn't fit narratively or anything like that.

I think it was just cause SO many of those moments happened in one episode. It's like the looked at what the fans and wanted and just wanted to throw almost all of it at us in one episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 01:27:46 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 14, 2017, 01:24:02 PM
I think it was just cause SO many of those moments happened in one episode. It's like the looked at what the fans and wanted and just wanted to throw almost all of it at us in one episode.

That's one thing that this condensed season has done.....blown the pacing we are used to out of the water. I mean, in one scene Jon is leaving Dragonstone....next scene he's landing at East Watch :lol That's probably a two to three week journey maybe??

They really did rattle off some bombshells and 'epic' revelations though...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on August 14, 2017, 01:28:50 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 14, 2017, 11:59:01 AM
Did anyone else feel like that his last episode really felt like a lot of (amazing) fan-fiction?

Yes...well, nearly.

I did turn to Mrs. P and said, "Well, that episode was either written for the internet fans or they're trolling them. Either way, it's awesome." :lol

She responded with, "I'm watching it again."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 01:34:53 PM: Quote from: Podaar on August 14, 2017, 01:28:50 PM
that episode was either written for the internet fans or they're trolling them. Either way, it's awesome." :lol

The "I thought you were still rowing" line was a friggin' hilarious way to troll the fans AND manage to keep it in the context of Davos's character :lol that's totally something he'd say
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 14, 2017, 01:38:39 PM: Yea, whenever Davos gets killed, I think that's gonna hit me the hardest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on August 14, 2017, 01:46:10 PM: Agreed. Davos is the secret ingredient to the awesome sauce.

"The last time I was here, I killed my father with a crossbow."
"The last time I was here, you killed my sons with wildfire."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 01:59:10 PM: So, are we past a 'huge' battle between Dany and Cersi....with the foregone conclusion that Jaimie believes in that they simply cannot win? Does the rest of that story line play out as betrayal? Meaning, first Cersi betrays whatever truce or armistice that may be put in place to validate the White Walkers....with her trying to win the war there and turning on everyone with Jaimie then betraying her?

Or...will Cersi hire sell swordsmen and there will be more battle scenes despite Jaimie's revelation and contention that it doesn't matter who it is they are outclassed on the battlefield by the Dothraki?

Any consternation the fans may have had about any of the Dragons being killed seems to be 'safe' at the moment because there was zero talk about 'how' they'd go about defeating them....and Jaimie even testifies to Cersi that the massive cross bow's are of no use. Will that be the end of that 'worry' that one or more will die or do you think that at least one, maybe two will die?

I'm curios to see how it goes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 14, 2017, 02:25:45 PM: Quote from: Podaar on August 14, 2017, 01:46:10 PM
"The last time I was here, I killed my father with a crossbow."
"The last time I was here, you killed my sons with wildfire."

Awesome line indeed!

Also, Tyrion and Varys talking is always gold.

"Did you read [the scroll]?"
"It's sealed for the King in the North!!!"
"....what does it say?"
"Nothing good"

:rollin

Dany continues to be a stone cold bytch most of the time, her biggest mistake so far has been to leave Daario at home, she'd really, really need some stress relief.

Jon Snow proves instead to be the most level headed, the only one - thanks of course to his first hand adventures - to fully realize what has to be done. "We're all the same side - we're all breathing", another wonderful line.

Cersei is knocked up again, the hell :eek The "queen who fucks her brother", as Tormund gently put :lol

And we know that Jon is a legitimate son and therefore the true heir to the Mad King's throne :metal surprised Sam as smart as he is, didn't even realize that Rhaegar Targaryen was the one mentioned in the document. No way he could link him to Jon, but at least the name should have rung a bell.

Can't wait to see the Fellowship of the Dead Men hunting for some wight next week!!! :metal

Oh, and I paused the scene with Littlefinger's scroll - i'ts definitively the message Sansa used to plead with Robb to come and bend the knee for Joffrey, don't know what's the plane of Baelish here - Sansa, if ever faced with that, could tell the absolute truth, that it was a last ditch effort to save Ned Stark, while her own life was at risk too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2017, 02:33:46 PM: With the revelation of Jon Snow's parentage, there's been a lot of rumors and theories about:

Huge potential spoiler if it turns out to be correct

Tyrion being the son of Aerys Targarian who had an affair with Tywins wife at some point. Which would make 3 Targarian dragon riders with Dany and Jon snow being the other two. I am down with this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 14, 2017, 02:34:40 PM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 14, 2017, 09:14:48 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 09:09:59 AM
And, being that we spent so much time ragging on it all week....the elephant in the room is the fact Jaimie swam a quarter mile or so in a really deep river in full Armor without drowning :lol honestly, I can completely over look it...it is what it is.....

Oh yeah, that too. :lol Did Jaimie even swim it, or did Bronn drag him that whole way? The whole thing was ridiculous, but again, I can let it slide.

:biggrin: I know. I'm trying not to think too much about it..

Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2017, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 08:31:15 AM

Is it me or did they make it feel like Dany is falling for Jon? She certainly had some longing eyes for him and was a tad upset when learning he'd be leaving to go. I guess if twins are shagging then it's no big deal for cousins to marry, right?

I definitely noticed that too. The question is:

Will she find out they are related before or after they start making out and will she even care, since her family loves the incest?

I mentioned this a couple of episodes back - I thought I noticed hints of attraction between them. Not sure where they're going with that story, but if they get together and marry, does that get Jon out of having to bend the knee? :biggrin:

Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
So, are we past a 'huge' battle between Dany and Cersi....with the foregone conclusion that Jaimie believes in that they simply cannot win? Does the rest of that story line play out as betrayal? Meaning, first Cersi betrays whatever truce or armistice that may be put in place to validate the White Walkers....with her trying to win the war there and turning on everyone with Jaimie then betraying her?

I can totally see this happening, and Jaime dying by Cersei's hand.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lucky7 on August 14, 2017, 04:02:04 PM: Great episode, so much happening, I need to watch it again.
Arya with Littlefinger, I can't wait until she kills him. What the hell is he up to, I am glad you guys deciphered the note, I could only make out a few words.
While Dany's view of Jon and the Dragon was blocked, I didn't think she looked happy that the Dragon let Jon touch it. But who knows, she did look upset they were parting.
Great group heading out, seriously, how can they beat what they are heading into, apart from Jon's sword, they can't have enough Dragon glass for weapons.
Jamie and Cersei, I would be happy if they were both gone, get on with the other stories. Could it really be his baby, maybe she isn't even pregnant, just wants him close.
If she know Tyrion was there, why didn't she have him captured?
Thrion and Varys were great together, miss them two getting to have their chats.

How many episodes left? Just 2? Then what we have to wait another year!!!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 14, 2017, 04:13:22 PM: I forgot to mention Bronn's retorts to Jaimie after having saved him.

"What you were trying to do?"
"End the war"
"Oh, by killing the queen. Did you notice the dragon between her and you?" :rollin

Also "A dragon doesn't get to kill you, you don't get to kill you, until I get my gold" was wonderful.

About Cersei not getting Tyrion: probably the sheer curiosity of the situation and the desire to teach Jaimie a lesson ("I know everything") was stronger than the temptation to have him seized.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2017, 05:29:10 PM: So...

Did the Magnificent seven happen to bring any dragon glass with them on this little adventure beyond the wall? (like considering that they just came from the place where they were mining it)

and of course someone already did a wild west themed edit of them, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHZEAMV0rCE
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Shooters1221 on August 14, 2017, 06:38:26 PM: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/hbo-game-of-thrones-spoilers-sam-gilly-has-twitter-buzzing/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 14, 2017, 11:27:06 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
So...

Did the Magnificent seven happen to bring any dragon glass with them on this little adventure beyond the wall? (like considering that they just came from the place where they were mining it)

and of course someone already did a wild west themed edit of them, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHZEAMV0rCE
That's pretty cool, to bad he didn't use the theme in mention. :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on August 15, 2017, 01:52:43 AM: I suspect much like the Magnificent Seven not all of them will survive the adventure. In fact could one of them get zombified then brought back as the proof Cersei needs.

/Fanfic : Hound gets Zombified brought back to Kings Landing and ends up fighting Zombie Mountain.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 01:57:42 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on August 15, 2017, 01:52:43 AM
/Fanfic : Hound gets Zombified brought back to Kings Landing and ends up fighting Zombie Mountain.

Sign me up for that! ;D

Seriously though, The Mountain has to get taken out at some stage, and The Hound should be the one to do it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 02:22:12 AM: Now we know from the trailers what was up with Beric's flaming sword, I'm quite sure next episode we'll see a scene of him / them fighting the zombies.

Anyway - what's their exact plan? White Walkers are destroyed upon killing, and wights need to be burned down / destroyed, how do they plan to produce a corpse? hacking some to bits and then putting it back together?

And oh, another thing we all forgot from the episode - Ser Davos inventing Viagra :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 02:29:15 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 02:22:12 AM
Anyway - what's their exact plan? White Walkers are destroyed upon killing, and wights need to be burned down / destroyed, how do they plan to produce a corpse? hacking some to bits and then putting it back together?

They'll have to capture it, er, "alive", if that's the right word..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 02:33:29 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 02:29:15 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 02:22:12 AM
Anyway - what's their exact plan? White Walkers are destroyed upon killing, and wights need to be burned down / destroyed, how do they plan to produce a corpse? hacking some to bits and then putting it back together?

They'll have to capture it, er, "alive", if that's the right word..

Now I suddenly imagined a wight in a cage, rattling and making noises, and the Hound telling him in his smartass and nihilist way to shut the hell up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 03:18:15 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 02:33:29 AM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 02:29:15 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 02:22:12 AM
Anyway - what's their exact plan? White Walkers are destroyed upon killing, and wights need to be burned down / destroyed, how do they plan to produce a corpse? hacking some to bits and then putting it back together?

They'll have to capture it, er, "alive", if that's the right word..

Now I suddenly imagined a wight in a cage, rattling and making noises, and the Hound telling him in his smartass and nihilist way to shut the hell up.

"I already killed you once, don't make me do it again" :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on August 15, 2017, 04:37:43 AM: I find it interesting the writers were adamant that there was only 15 episodes worth of story left. Yet these first 5 seem somewhat rushed - maybe not necessarily rushed as such, it's just very noticeable the pacing has increased compared to the previous seasons, and maybe that's slightly jarring. From what we have seen so far I think the story these episodes have told so far could easily have been extended to a couple of more episodes. For example I'd have loved to have seen the interaction between Jon and Ser Jorah as they travelled together, I also think some of the reunions have been grossed over rather quickly.

It's only a minor complaint because frankly it's awesome!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 15, 2017, 05:59:19 AM: So what's Little Finger got up his sleeve?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 15, 2017, 07:18:42 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 15, 2017, 05:59:19 AM
So what's Little Finger got up his sleeve?

He's hoping to drive a wedge between Arya and Sansa....with Sansa then seeking him to confide in so that he'd have her ear and possibly her hand in marriage? But what he doesn't realize is that although Arya may not yet be as slick or cunning as he is when it comes to playing the 'social' game of deception.....she's still pretty crafty and she is going to skip all the shell game crap and just kill him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 07:22:41 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 15, 2017, 07:18:42 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 15, 2017, 05:59:19 AM
So what's Little Finger got up his sleeve?

He's hoping to drive a wedge between Arya and Sansa....with Sansa then seeking him to confide in so that he'd have her ear and possibly her hand in marriage? But what he doesn't realize is that although Arya may not yet be as slick or cunning as he is when it comes to playing the 'social' game of deception.....she's still pretty crafty and she is going to skip all the shell game crap and just kill him.

I was about to write the exact same thing, but you beat me to it. I think this is it in a nutshell - he's trying to maintain his own influence over Sansa.

Edit: Here's a reminder of the scene from season one when Sansa was made to write the note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bkb6tedTRs&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on August 15, 2017, 09:02:48 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 15, 2017, 07:18:42 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 15, 2017, 05:59:19 AM
So what's Little Finger got up his sleeve?

He's hoping to drive a wedge between Arya and Sansa....with Sansa then seeking him to confide in so that he'd have her ear and possibly her hand in marriage? But what he doesn't realize is that although Arya may not yet be as slick or cunning as he is when it comes to playing the 'social' game of deception.....she's still pretty crafty and she is going to skip all the shell game crap and just kill him.

They saw how skilled she was at fighting, but they don't know anything about her training as a Faceless Man. So if she were to use someone else's face, he'd truly never expect it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 15, 2017, 09:33:48 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 03:18:15 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 02:33:29 AM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 02:29:15 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 02:22:12 AM
Anyway - what's their exact plan? White Walkers are destroyed upon killing, and wights need to be burned down / destroyed, how do they plan to produce a corpse? hacking some to bits and then putting it back together?

They'll have to capture it, er, "alive", if that's the right word..

Now I suddenly imagined a wight in a cage, rattling and making noises, and the Hound telling him in his smartass and nihilist way to shut the hell up.

"I already killed you once, don't make me do it again" :lol

"Ay, shut the hell up ya frozen cunt..."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 09:45:02 AM: Am I the only one who things the plan at East Watch is dumb? For one, convincing Cersei seems extremely unlikely (and well, we know, she will betray, but even without them knowing that, it still seems like not worth the effort). And also, back in season 1 when the night's watch brought the hand of the wight Jon/Ghost killed at the Wall was disregarded by Cersei. Everyone forgot that sending that hand was useless? So sending a live one is what's needed? Shit she has essentially a "white" as her guard :lol

On the other hand, it does make for good TV to get this gang of dudes all together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 15, 2017, 09:58:59 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 09:45:02 AM
Am I the only one who things the plan at East Watch is dumb? For one, convincing Cersei seems extremely unlikely (and well, we know, she will betray, but even without them knowing that, it still seems like not worth the effort). And also, back in season 1 when the night's watch brought the hand of the wight Jon/Ghost killed at the Wall was disregarded by Cersei. Everyone forgot that sending that hand was useless? So sending a live one is what's needed? Shit she has essentially a "white" as her guard :lol

On the other hand, it does make for good TV to get this gang of dudes all together.

Maybe they aren't going to show her the white on a silver platter. They could let the thing loose inside with her and her men having no way to kill it. She'll see the damage a single one could do, and then realize what an army of thousands could accomplish.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 15, 2017, 10:01:21 AM: Well, of course it's always difficult to convince other people, but Jon just KNOWS the threat he's real. He's seen them, he's fought them, he's killed them. Providing a wight is, well, proof enough in the mind of someone who knows the truth.

Also Jon could have used the "Why would I lie" argument with Dany - he's going there, he's not bending the knee, he's not trying to kill her, why would he bluff about such a fantastical and mythical thing? in the real world, would someone from North Korea try to convince the USA that the real danger are mermaids, if they would have made that up? also Dany in turn could turn the "Why would I lie" argument back to Cersei, "I have three dragons ready to eat you and the whole royal palace alive, why would I instead ask you to go North to fight zombies?"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 10:13:44 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 15, 2017, 09:58:59 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 09:45:02 AM
Am I the only one who things the plan at East Watch is dumb? For one, convincing Cersei seems extremely unlikely (and well, we know, she will betray, but even without them knowing that, it still seems like not worth the effort). And also, back in season 1 when the night's watch brought the hand of the wight Jon/Ghost killed at the Wall was disregarded by Cersei. Everyone forgot that sending that hand was useless? So sending a live one is what's needed? Shit she has essentially a "white" as her guard :lol

On the other hand, it does make for good TV to get this gang of dudes all together.

Maybe they aren't going to show her the white on a silver platter. They could let the thing loose inside with her and her men having no way to kill it. She'll see the damage a single one could do, and then realize what an army of thousands could accomplish.

If that's the plan then they might as well just use the dragons and not bother even trying to work with Cersei since it seems the idea is to minimize the killing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 15, 2017, 04:42:09 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 09:45:02 AM
Am I the only one who things the plan at East Watch is dumb? For one, convincing Cersei seems extremely unlikely (and well, we know, she will betray, but even without them knowing that, it still seems like not worth the effort). And also, back in season 1 when the night's watch brought the hand of the wight Jon/Ghost killed at the Wall was disregarded by Cersei. Everyone forgot that sending that hand was useless? So sending a live one is what's needed? Shit she has essentially a "white" as her guard :lol

On the other hand, it does make for good TV to get this gang of dudes all together.

I definitely think its pretty dumb. They haven't discussed the plan at all whatsoever. They don't seem to have any nets or anything and the whites are usually in packs of hundreds, so I have no idea what they are going to do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 04:50:08 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 15, 2017, 04:42:09 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 09:45:02 AM
Am I the only one who things the plan at East Watch is dumb? For one, convincing Cersei seems extremely unlikely (and well, we know, she will betray, but even without them knowing that, it still seems like not worth the effort). And also, back in season 1 when the night's watch brought the hand of the wight Jon/Ghost killed at the Wall was disregarded by Cersei. Everyone forgot that sending that hand was useless? So sending a live one is what's needed? Shit she has essentially a "white" as her guard :lol

On the other hand, it does make for good TV to get this gang of dudes all together.

I definitely think its pretty dumb. They haven't discussed the plan at all whatsoever. They don't seem to have any nets or anything and the whites are usually in packs of hundreds, so I have no idea what they are going to do.

I watched Talk the Thrones and they all agreed it makes no sense either so I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this adventure more as "fan fiction" (that's what they called it). It doesn't make much sense storyline wise but will make for some great TV. Also, it may lead to some switch up where most of kind of us felt like the war in Westeros would end before the war against the Night King, but maybe that's not going to be the case.

Also, while it looks like LF has the upper hand on Arya, I have got to believe she will still have something up her sleeve to one up him, even if it is not this season. Maybe he works his chaos and get's those two to split off from each other, but I think she will have the upper hand in the end and maybe this gets him added to her list and she does the deed.

Also, in a classic cramx3 move, I was too busy laughing at the maester keeping track of his bowel movements and totally missed the big reveal from Gilly. It wasn't until reading about it later that I realized I totally missed it. Which when I brought it up to my gf she was like "yea seriously, you couldn't stop talking about the shit that you caused both of us to miss a huge reveal" :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 15, 2017, 07:30:12 PM: (https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20770321_10155419099166183_4029015111104773200_n.jpg?oh=db2c1783cdca6549fb5e05e3b6a7fb09&oe=5A1FD5EF)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 07:56:51 PM: I've definitely seen people with "if my dog doesn't like you, I wont like you" sort of profiles in tinder before and that whole scene sort of reminded me of that, but to the opposite effect.

Any chance a dragon is following Jon?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 16, 2017, 03:26:37 AM: While we were debating how a wight could convice Cersei, I think we have missed this, I quote Wikiquote:

Varys: Anything you bring back will be useless unless Cersei grants us an audience and is somehow convinced not to murder us the second we set foot in the capital!
Tyrion: The only one she'll listen to is Jaime. He might listen to me.

So that's the plan. They don't have to convince Cersei, Tyrion has to convince Jaimie and Jaimie will try and make her reason.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 16, 2017, 04:22:00 AM: That last Dragonstone meeting about Cersei doesn't make sense to me. What do they want from her again?! Pledge an armistice? In what world do they think she'd keep a promise and not stab them in the back? If none of them know her, and Varys does, at least Tyrion should have told them she can't be trusted!
Besides, character-wise Cersei shouldn't believe any of this even if she saw a wight, she probably would believe it if she saw a white walker but wights may just as well be magic or something an ambitious maester like Qyburn created. Then the question of even if she believes them, why would she care? She's losing a war and this new unbelievable danger they speak of is threatening to wipe everybody out, it's much more characteristic of Cersei to let all her enemies die with her than help them get rid of their problem then wait for them to turn around and fight her again.
Maybe Cersei would pretend to believe them and agree to the armistice, then attack them when they go north. That'd be Cersei 101 and it would be pretty weak writing that Tyrion didn't see it coming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 16, 2017, 04:28:48 AM: I think they're putting all of their faith in Jaimie here, rather than Cersei, hoping that she'll listen to him. Cersei's actions on this issue may contribute to creating a divide between them.
It's not the smartest plan, but Jon is fixated on finding a solution to this problem over all else.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 16, 2017, 06:22:01 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 15, 2017, 07:56:51 PM
I've definitely seen people with "if my dog doesn't like you, I wont like you" sort of profiles in tinder before and that whole scene sort of reminded me of that, but to the opposite effect.

Any chance a dragon is following Jon?

That would be awesome... and I hope the dragon dies. I really, really, really want to see an ice dragon before this thing is through.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 16, 2017, 06:22:59 AM: I've seen comparisons made to White Walkers and climate change.

If you knew for sure, absolutely undeniable proof, that the ice calps would melt in 10 years and flood half the world, wouldn't you go to extreme lenghts to make sure the whole world doesn't go apeshit? wouldn't the issues with North Korea, Venezuela and migrants traffic seem so trivial ccompared to half the world slipping under the water? you'd try any desperate move to get people to listen to you, that's what the characters are doing.

I agree that they should mistrust Cersei more, but those who know the threat is real, fully realize that "it doesn't matter what corpse sits on the Iron Throne".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 16, 2017, 09:50:47 AM: So it seems HBO Spain fucked up and leaked Ep6, spoilers are showing up, I just accidentally clicked (a really fucking cool) one.

Tread the internet with caution my friends.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 16, 2017, 10:10:42 AM: Quote from: lonestar on August 16, 2017, 09:50:47 AM
So it seems HBO Spain fucked up and leaked Ep6, spoilers are showing up, I just accidentally clicked (a really fucking cool) one.

Tread the internet with caution my friends.

I used to run to these like a moth to a flame....but I've tamed myself a bit in order to enjoy the experience more.

I remember I read the Episode analysis for each episode of Season 4 of The Walking Dead prior to the season when it was leaked online and I totally regretted it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 16, 2017, 10:18:02 AM: Oh I didn't realize that the episode had popped up on my "usual channels" for watching the show, but I thought it was just the previous episode. Luckily their description was so brief that it still fit the previous episode.
It's a real shame they've had multiple leaks this season. The show is such a big event for fans, and nobody really knows what's going to happen now that it's past the books, so it does potentially ruin the experience a bit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 16, 2017, 10:18:31 AM: It wasn't a webpage though, I avoid that type of shit easily, it was a YT video shared by a FB friend. I thought it was a preview for Ep 6 and clicked it. I'm sure the video will be down in minutes, but wth man, HBO needs to tighten up on their shit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 16, 2017, 10:21:32 AM: Hopefully we can all avoid spoilers for the rest of the week, because I'd hate to have anything significant spoiled, like deaths, or battles etc. We're at the point where anything could happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 16, 2017, 10:26:31 AM: I'm just going to log out of everything and hide in the mountains till Tuesday (I'm on the road for the eclipse and won't be able to watch on Sunday).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on August 16, 2017, 10:58:34 AM: I believe, in fact, the info for the whole season (most of the general plot terms) was out in the open before the first episode premiered.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 16, 2017, 11:04:04 AM: I knew a decent amount had leaked before the premiere, but I didn't realize it extended beyond the first few episodes of the season. I don't go looking for spoilers, but I'm glad I haven't stumbled across any accidentally.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on August 16, 2017, 11:16:47 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 16, 2017, 11:04:04 AM
I knew a decent amount had leaked before the premiere, but I didn't realize it extended beyond the first few episodes of the season. I don't go looking for spoilers, but I'm glad I haven't stumbled across any accidentally.

I just don't read the comments on FB articles about the show, since people tend to comment with spoilers. That generally keeps me mostly spoiler free.

I've really enjoyed not knowing what will happen - I didn't do that when I binged the first six seasons. I read Wikipedia along with a lot of the episodes, so I could keep character names and places straight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 16, 2017, 11:21:23 AM: I had a lot of fun looking this over yesterday. Clicking the link will allow you to zoom in quite a bit.

https://i.redd.it/x6r5bm6zxufz.png

(https://i.redd.it/x6r5bm6zxufz.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 16, 2017, 12:14:46 PM: That's a pretty cool chart! just spent a solid ten minutes myself looking it over.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on August 16, 2017, 12:20:22 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 16, 2017, 11:21:23 AM
I had a lot of fun looking this over yesterday. Clicking the link will allow you to zoom in quite a bit.

https://i.redd.it/x6r5bm6zxufz.png

Awesome. Loved it until I saw the name Willis. :'(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 16, 2017, 12:57:50 PM: (https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20915518_1665102020190206_8902157397462535335_n.jpg?oh=5c70313e49e24af3d200456ff89ec75e&oe=5A1AF56F)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 16, 2017, 01:41:02 PM: I wouldn't even want to watch it if it leaked, since I immediately want to discuss it. It would drive me crazy if I wanted to chat, but no one had seen it yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 16, 2017, 01:43:24 PM: Yea, I really have no desire to read/watch/anything to do with the leaks. It just ruins the experience of a sunday night watching my favorite TV show.

Sucks for HBO that they got hacked and then screwed up accidently leaking their own episode for maybe the best season of their biggest show. Although it seems the ratings are still really amazing so maybe it's not having that much of an effect.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 16, 2017, 02:12:44 PM: Nah, it's not having an effect, I'd just rather not stumble onto the shit by accident. Gotta be hella vigilant for sure from her on out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 16, 2017, 02:17:17 PM: I may give in to the temptation, but only because next Sunday / Monday I'm on holiday and I'll return only Wednesday... not that I would actually confirm it let alone discuss it here or anywhere else! (while a dumb coworker is already twitting about it, can't she just shut the hell up????)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on August 16, 2017, 02:30:03 PM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 14, 2017, 09:14:48 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 14, 2017, 09:09:59 AM
And, being that we spent so much time ragging on it all week....the elephant in the room is the fact Jaimie swam a quarter mile or so in a really deep river in full Armor without drowning :lol honestly, I can completely over look it...it is what it is.....

Oh yeah, that too. :lol Did Jaimie even swim it, or did Bronn drag him that whole way? The whole thing was ridiculous, but again, I can let it slide.

I think this explains it all. As Bronn would say, "Michael 'Fookin Phelps."
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20800073_1967687260133120_8615028457801103259_n.jpg?oh=e5b2d605aef13173049980b5c5ebec4b&oe=5A2FF1ED)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 16, 2017, 03:22:16 PM: I like the irony in the conversation between Jon Snow and Gendry Waters. About how their fathers trusted each other and fought along one another in the war, referring to Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon. When actually Robert Baratheon hated, fought and personally killed Rhaegar Targaryen, Jon's real dad.
Robert Baratheon's weapon of choice was a hammer as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 16, 2017, 03:39:55 PM: I wonder if somehow Gendry and jon end up going at it, basically re-creating Robert Vs. Rhaegar
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 16, 2017, 03:43:17 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 16, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
I wonder if somehow Gendry and jon end up going at it, basically re-creating Robert Vs. Rhaegar

I doubt it. Jon has zero desire to rule. He didn't even want to be King of the North. I think if/when it comes down to it he'd hand over any power that was 'rightfully' his because he simply isn't interested in it
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 17, 2017, 01:07:10 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 16, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 16, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
I wonder if somehow Gendry and jon end up going at it, basically re-creating Robert Vs. Rhaegar

I doubt it. Jon has zero desire to rule. He didn't even want to be King of the North. I think if/when it comes down to it he'd hand over any power that was 'rightfully' his because he simply isn't interested in it

This may also tie in to the big theory going around, that there will be no need for an epic battle where the "prince that was promised" single-handedly defeats the White Walkers, but that a pact and a truce will be needed, like it was done in ancient times.

Think of it: Jon is no Stark, he has no right to be King in the North. He has a claim to the Iron Throne, but he would never want to rule the Seven Kingdoms, if there's even something to be called Seven Kingdoms or an Iron Throne after that.

Having no real home, Jon might as well do the sacrifice and offer himself up for whatever truce need to be signed with the White Walkers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 17, 2017, 07:48:45 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 17, 2017, 01:07:10 AM
This may also tie in to the big theory going around, that there will be no need for an epic battle where the "prince that was promised" single-handedly defeats the White Walkers, but that a pact and a truce will be needed, like it was done in ancient times.

Having no real home, Jon might as well do the sacrifice and offer himself up for whatever truce need to be signed with the White Walkers.

Somewhere in the endless pages of this thread I had spoken to that point as well. That character, Jon, has always been very selfless and all about honor and doing what's right. I can totally envision a scenario where the way to end the war and regain the truce between the White Walkers and humans would be the need for one of the humans of power to willingly 'convert'....either in marriage or whatever and I can see Jon volunteering to do that in order to save the rest of humanity.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 17, 2017, 07:50:29 AM: Oh oh - the tiny writing has started. I think I'll stay clear of this thread until after the next episode.. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 17, 2017, 08:09:31 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 17, 2017, 07:50:29 AM
Oh oh - the tiny writing has started. I think I'll stay clear of this thread until after the next episode.. :lol

:lol for the record my small font has nothing to do with any confirmed spoilers out there....it's all speculation about a popular fan theory. I small fonted in an effort to make sure I don't tick anyone off :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 17, 2017, 09:00:07 AM: Yeah, I agree, I was mentioning a fan theory about the books, if you want to have an interesting read - and maybe the ultimate spoiler if the ones behind such theory are right - go Google "The true nature and purpouse of the Others" on Google, it's a Reddit thread.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 17, 2017, 01:01:34 PM: Serg Tankian Sings Rains of Castamere (https://youtu.be/r8Kipc2IRTA)

Pretty cool rendition.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 17, 2017, 02:48:43 PM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 17, 2017, 07:50:29 AM
Oh oh - the tiny writing has started. I think I'll stay clear of this thread until after the next episode.. :lol

:rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 18, 2017, 01:14:56 AM: Is it at all mentioned in the novels whether or not the 3 dragons can lay eggs?
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Post by: Adami on August 18, 2017, 01:16:57 AM: I haven't read any of the books, but I just heard somewhere that the white walkers are known to ride giant ice spiders?

If that is true....we're missing out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 18, 2017, 04:31:53 AM: Dragons vs ice spiders, the Westerosi version of King Kong vs Godzilla :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 18, 2017, 07:08:30 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on August 18, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
Is it at all mentioned in the novels whether or not the 3 dragons can lay eggs?

Honestly don't remember, but I have to think so but not based on the current dragons, based on the fact there were previously dragons who I believe had children to keep the dragons alive. It wasn't until the Targaryan's of more recent that they started caging them and they slowly got smaller and eventually died out. I don't recall dragons being born in the way Dany's dragons were being a thing, but I really am not sure. Maybe someone else can shed more light.

Quote from: Adami on August 18, 2017, 01:16:57 AM
I haven't read any of the books, but I just heard somewhere that the white walkers are known to ride giant ice spiders?

If that is true....we're missing out.

Well they can reanimate the dead and in the books there's talk of giant spiders north of the wall and many other things as well including reanimated sea creatures attacking the boats off Hardhome (book depiction of this, which was not resolved in books, is different than the show).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 18, 2017, 07:44:52 AM: Next Episode is 71 minutes long......finale is 81 minutes. So, we have 152 minutes of GOT left this season.......
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2017, 08:02:45 AM: I'm going to make a really bold prediction here that those two episodes are going to kick major ass.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 18, 2017, 08:04:57 AM: We haven't lost a major character yet this whole season. Who's it going to be?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on August 18, 2017, 08:42:03 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2017, 08:02:45 AM
I'm going to make a really bold prediction here that those two episodes are going to kick major ass.

That is indeed a bold prediction.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 18, 2017, 09:28:59 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 18, 2017, 07:44:52 AM
Next Episode is 71 minutes long......finale is 81 minutes. So, we have 152 minutes of GOT left this season.......

It's 3 "standard" 50 minutes episodes in the end, we get less episodes but more content.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on August 18, 2017, 09:42:34 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 18, 2017, 08:04:57 AM
We haven't lost a major character yet this whole season. Who's it going to be?

My money's on Littlefinger
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 18, 2017, 09:45:20 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 18, 2017, 08:04:57 AM
We haven't lost a major character yet this whole season. Who's it going to be?

Well it's easy to point at the people beyond the wall, but let's think about others...

Littlefinger then seems the most likely (Arya has her eyes on him)
Grey Worm (Had his love scene moment and is stuck at Casterly Rock)
Bronn (Cersei wants him punished)
Varys (seems he will die in Westeros as per Melisandre)
Cersei (I still think Jamie will kill her, but maybe not this season like I had thought)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 18, 2017, 09:46:09 AM: Quote from: masterthes on August 18, 2017, 09:42:34 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 18, 2017, 08:04:57 AM
We haven't lost a major character yet this whole season. Who's it going to be?

My money's on Littlefinger

Little finger is the leading contender for the 'major' characters I think. With Davos, Jorah, Varys and Grey Worm being the 'second tier' possibilities.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 20, 2017, 08:10:37 AM: Quote from: lonestar on August 16, 2017, 09:50:47 AM
So it seems HBO Spain fucked up and leaked Ep6, spoilers are showing up, I just accidentally clicked (a really fucking cool) one.

Tread the internet with caution my friends.
Quote from: lonestar on August 16, 2017, 09:50:47 AM
So it seems HBO Spain fucked up and leaked Ep6, spoilers are showing up, I just accidentally clicked (a really fucking cool) one.

Tread the internet with caution my friends.

Was playing poker last night with a few neighbors and I looked to one of them who I know is a huge GOT fan and said "Tony...you excited for tomorrow night...only two episodes left". He said "Well, I might have gotten a little carried away this week on the internet and read some things I probably shouldn't have read. In fact, I can probably act out each scene of the episode for you if you'd like"

He fell victim to the internet and a weak will...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2017, 08:17:25 AM: I find it pretty easy to avoid the temptation. If I watched it earlier, then I'd have to wait even longer before the season final, and I couldn't discuss it with everyone yet after the excitement. And I haven't had any issue avoiding spoilers so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 20, 2017, 08:22:19 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
I find it pretty easy to avoid the temptation. If I watched it earlier, then I'd have to wait even longer before the season final, and I couldn't discuss it with everyone yet after the excitement. And I haven't had any issue avoiding spoilers so far.

Same here. I've actively sought them out in the past (far a different show) and it destroys the whole experience.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2017, 08:40:06 AM: I only got into the show recently, and this is the first season I've watched as it aired, so I didn't care about avoiding spoilers before that. I knew a lot of the major deaths and plot points beforehand (Jon Snow dying, the red wedding, Joffrey, Hodor etc), and luckily it didn't make any difference to me. GOT is so good that it's all about the experience. People who read the books basically knew stuff in advance, and I doubt it hurt the show for them.
Still, it's always better not to know in advance, and get the feels in the moment, especially at this point with more emotional investment these characters, and now that everything that happens is more important than ever to the overall story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on August 20, 2017, 08:44:30 AM: My brother couldn't resist temptation either. I'm staying away.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 20, 2017, 10:41:02 AM: Quote from: masterthes on August 18, 2017, 09:42:34 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 18, 2017, 08:04:57 AM
We haven't lost a major character yet this whole season. Who's it going to be?

My money's on Littlefinger

A couple of things with Littlefinger though, mainly how would they be able to keep Robin Arryn in check without Littlefinger. We already know the knights of the vale are completely under Arryn's control even though he's clearly insane.
The other thing that's been bugging me about Littlefinger's storyline is why Jon Snow despises him so much, as far as Jon knows; Littlefinger has been nothing but major help for the Starks and is solely responsible for Ramsey's defeat.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 20, 2017, 10:57:07 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2017, 08:17:25 AM
I find it pretty easy to avoid the temptation. If I watched it earlier, then I'd have to wait even longer before the season final, and I couldn't discuss it with everyone yet after the excitement. And I haven't had any issue avoiding spoilers so far.

Yea Ive had no issues, but according to my friend who plays the video game PlayerUnknown's Battleground, apparently people in the game's voice chat were spoiling the show for everyone. I'm glad I'm traveling because I definitely would have been playing with him and spoiled. That would have pissed me off so much.

Sadly I have to watch from my hotel and not the big screen with surround sound tonight, but my gf who doesn't have HBO and would come over to watch, is somehow going to try and wait till I get back on Wednesday to watch and then I'll get to see it again on the bigger screen. I don't know how she will last avoiding spoilers till then.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on August 20, 2017, 08:14:39 PM: DAAAAAAAMMNNIIIIIITTTTTT!!!!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 20, 2017, 08:20:32 PM: ICE DRAGONS!
Would like to point out yet again the stupidity of this trip they made, just think that all the shit that happened in this episode took place to convince Cersei Lannister there's a threat to the north. This is The Walking Dead level of stupid.
Now she's down to two dragons and more importantly; the night king HAS A DRAGON!
Later on that night, the Night King is very excited about having a dragon but also very fuckin worried as he cannot understand why the dumb fucks pulled this whole stunt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on August 20, 2017, 08:28:14 PM: Spoilers!!

Can't believe a CGI dragon would evoke such emotions in me. Only comment I have about this episode and show I guess is that I wish they would get away from the saved at the last minute scenarios. I mean that dragon scene was flipping amazing, it was excellent editing, choreography, music and sound design but I just wished the setup was a little different. 9 out of 10 times on this show I wouldn't care about the travelling aspect but that cut of sending a raven to Dany, Dany responds and flys just in time to save the day was a HUUGGGE stretch.

Like I said the scene itself was fantastic but I just wished the setup was a tad cleaner. What is a 10/10 episode for me is a bit tainted. But other than that HOLY SHIT Ice Dragon!!!!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 20, 2017, 08:29:52 PM: YES!!! Fucking called it :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on August 20, 2017, 08:39:24 PM: Other thoughts

Thormund and the Hound's conversation was hilarious! Two of my absolute favorite side characters. Not sure about this Arya/Sansa/little finger subplot but I'll wait for the finale to see where that's going.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on August 20, 2017, 09:02:32 PM: I thought it was a fucking awesome episode, and I don't think that their trip is stupid at all. How else do you convince someone that this threat is very, very real and marching towards the Seven Kingdoms? Cersei Lannister and the Iron Throne mean nothing when it comes to the Night King and his army - Jon Snow is so right for doing what he needs to do to convince people of their existence. He's one person that could care less about taking the throne. And so far, it has paid off, but yes - at a cost. A big cost.

When he was left behind I had a huge YES!!! moment followed immediately by a big NOOOOOO! I felt like I did when Harry Potter lost Sirius Black - all he ever wanted was someone that he could consider family of his own. Jon regained and immediately lost that person in his life, though it sucks that they couldn't spend more time on that or his feelings about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: orcus116 on August 20, 2017, 09:21:57 PM: The logistics of the trip just seemed really stupid because outside of that little sortee that we saw the walkers have notoriously traveled by the thousands so were they just hoping to randomly run into one? The situation they found themselves in seemed like the only obvious conclusion to them traveling out there.

Also the ending was just one theory that seemed to be a very likely one for awhile so I wasn't all that surprised that it happened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 20, 2017, 09:27:24 PM: The night king knew they were coming and he set a trap. He needs a dragon to melt the wall (assuming it still breathes fire). He had the chains ready to go and intentionally held his army back until the dragons were almost there. I think he can see all things like Bran.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on August 20, 2017, 09:32:38 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on August 20, 2017, 09:21:57 PM
The logistics of the trip just seemed really stupid because outside of that little sortee that we saw the walkers have notoriously traveled by the thousands so were they just hoping to randomly run into one? The situation they found themselves in seemed like the only obvious conclusion to them traveling out there.

Like Chino said, it appears to be a trap set by the Night King. Jorah or maybe it was Thormund even asks why were just a few roaming about.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 20, 2017, 10:35:07 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 20, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
The night king knew they were coming and he set a trap. He needs a dragon to melt the wall (assuming it still breathes fire). He had the chains ready to go and intentionally held his army back until the dragons were almost there. I think he can see all things like Bran.

It probably is Bran.

Great episode and it really seems like as the end has been drawing near some of the 'fan theory' ideas that are coming true fit the narrative perfectly....thus, giving us some cool moments that we more or less saw coming (ie Ice F'n Dragon)

Did anyone Else get the feeling Dany and Jon were moments away from getting engaged? It felt like that was where it was going.

Not sure why the Night King chose to hurl the first spear at the flying dragon rather than Drogon who was a sitting target and much closer? Anyway.....still a bummer that Dany lost a dragon but its gonna be a neat battle between dragons when/if they meet?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 20, 2017, 10:43:24 PM: I'm calling bullshit if that thing breathes fire, it'd better breath ice.

Anyhoo, fucking sweet episode. They got this shit primed for the season finale, and I feel they're gonna leave us all blue balled hard for the year to come.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2017, 10:48:33 PM: Great episode.

I hope it doesn't get too big. Ice dragons and fire dragons and hundreds of thousands of faceless people all fighting, it's moments like that where you tend to lose a personal connection to what's going on.

Though I have faith the show will know how to avoid the typical DC third act problem.

Though I'm a little disappointed they went the generic ending with the undead. Kill the leader and the rest all die. This is the problem with making an unbeatable enemy. They have to be beaten eventually, and to do that you have to give them a really odd flaw.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 20, 2017, 11:29:30 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 20, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
Though I'm a little disappointed they went the generic ending with the undead. Kill the leader and the rest all die. This is the problem with making an unbeatable enemy. They have to be beaten eventually, and to do that you have to give them a really odd flaw.

It's the Death Star syndrome all over again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2017, 11:43:17 PM: Quote from: lonestar on August 20, 2017, 11:29:30 PM
Quote from: Adami on August 20, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
Though I'm a little disappointed they went the generic ending with the undead. Kill the leader and the rest all die. This is the problem with making an unbeatable enemy. They have to be beaten eventually, and to do that you have to give them a really odd flaw.

It's the Death Star syndrome all over again.

Or The Avengers. Kill the leader, the armies all just die.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Nel on August 20, 2017, 11:53:38 PM: I like to think that after all the development Arya and Sansa have gone through throughout the series, that they're smarter than this. I hope they're playing Littlefinger. It'd be cathartic as hell for it to be Ned's kids that finally get him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zydar on August 21, 2017, 12:05:14 AM: Another awesome episode. That's all I can find the words to say right now :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 21, 2017, 03:03:38 AM: Quote from: Grappler on August 20, 2017, 09:02:32 PM
I thought it was a fucking awesome episode, and I don't think that their trip is stupid at all. How else do you convince someone that this threat is very, very real and marching towards the Seven Kingdoms? Cersei Lannister and the Iron Throne mean nothing when it comes to the Night King and his army - Jon Snow is so right for doing what he needs to do to convince people of their existence. He's one person that could care less about taking the throne. And so far, it has paid off, but yes - at a cost. A big cost.

Again; it's uncharacteristic of Cersei to give a fuck about it, even if she believed it. And Tyrion should know that.
Quote from: Progmetty on August 16, 2017, 04:22:00 AM
That last Dragonstone meeting about Cersei doesn't make sense to me. What do they want from her again?! Pledge an armistice? In what world do they think she'd keep a promise and not stab them in the back? If none of them know her, and Varys does, at least Tyrion should have told them she can't be trusted!
Besides, character-wise Cersei shouldn't believe any of this even if she saw a wight, she probably would believe it if she saw a white walker but wights may just as well be magic or something an ambitious maester like Qyburn created. Then the question of even if she believes them, why would she care? She's losing a war and this new unbelievable danger they speak of is threatening to wipe everybody out, it's much more characteristic of Cersei to let all her enemies die with her than help them get rid of their problem then wait for them to turn around and fight her again.
Maybe Cersei would pretend to believe them and agree to the armistice, then attack them when they go north. That'd be Cersei 101 and it would be pretty weak writing that Tyrion didn't see it coming.

But let's bite into the hypothetical of Cersei actually giving a fuck, let's say she does cause she's pregnant and wants her newborn to survive, even though we've already seen Cersei ready to kill Tommen once before when she thought the battle of Blackwater bay was lost so she wouldn't really be struggling with the concept.
But okay, she cares to stop the world from ending, does that still warrant all the loss they suffered to get that wight? I think just getting rid of Cersei would have been easier. Cause let's face it here, what was the plan beyond the wall? To find a drifter wight? Jon knows they run in huge ruthless packs! It was a suicidal mission and they lost more than they gained out of it IMO.

Quote from: orcus116 on August 20, 2017, 09:21:57 PM
The logistics of the trip just seemed really stupid because outside of that little sortee that we saw the walkers have notoriously traveled by the thousands so were they just hoping to randomly run into one? The situation they found themselves in seemed like the only obvious conclusion to them traveling out there.

Yep!

Quote from: Chino on August 20, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
The night king knew they were coming and he set a trap. He needs a dragon to melt the wall (assuming it still breathes fire). He had the chains ready to go and intentionally held his army back until the dragons were almost there. I think he can see all things like Bran.

I think that's possible but a little far fetched, they have given us no indication that the night king has the sight. It would explain how the Night King knew they were gonna device such a Rick Grimes kinda plan so he'd set a trap to, cause there was no way he could've presume they were gonna be this stupid.

The Night King doesn't need the dragon to melt the wall, his problem with the wall is not it's size, but the magic built into it. Like the one that prevented him from entering the three-eyed raven cave until he put his mark on Bran.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 21, 2017, 06:07:42 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on August 21, 2017, 03:03:38 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 20, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
The night king knew they were coming and he set a trap. He needs a dragon to melt the wall (assuming it still breathes fire). He had the chains ready to go and intentionally held his army back until the dragons were almost there. I think he can see all things like Bran.

I think that's possible but a little far fetched, they have given us no indication that the night king has the sight. It would explain how the Night King knew they were gonna device such a Rick Grimes kinda plan so he'd set a trap to, cause there was no way he could've presume they were gonna be this stupid.

The Night King doesn't need the dragon to melt the wall, his problem with the wall is not it's size, but the magic built into it. Like the one that prevented him from entering the three-eyed raven cave until he put his mark on Bran.

He must have some kind of sight though, no? I mean, the guy can just chill on a horse and independently control the actions of everyone in his army. He has to be able to see and feel what they do to some degree.

How does that magic work exactly? Do the walkers just fall apart if they get past it, or do they hit an invisible wall or something? How are they getting the walker they took captive past the wall without it also being affected by that magic?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 21, 2017, 07:30:57 AM: Feel mixed on this one. On the one hand, yes I enjoyed the episode, but on the other hand I felt like it might have been the dumbest episode of the entire series.

Game of thrones typically brings razor sharp writing, and that's what drew me to the show in the first place. That plan was retarded. Utterly retarded, and how it played out was bad writing. Like 5 mins after they are passed the wall, all of them almost get murdered by one lone undead bear. Dany randomly shows up right at the nick of time, riding strait to where they are despite never being in the north ever, and Jon's uncle shows up right at the nick of time to save jon. In a show that prides itself on not following conventions, Across the board, this episode had too much goofy stuff for me to be able to suspend my disbelief. It really did feel like a run of the mill walking dead episode. If it wasn't for the night king setting the trap and dany saving them at the very last moment, then that plan had almost 0% chance of working. The night king thanks you jon for giving him a dragon though.

And where the hell is Bran when Arya and Sansa are about to throw down. I was waiting for him to wheel in and be like "yo dummies, little finger is playing you". I'm assuming that Arya wants Sansa to put on a face and talk with little finger to hear his true thoughts and then knife him with the blade she gave her.

Oh well. At least Dany + 3 dragons kicking ass was totally incredible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 08:23:28 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 21, 2017, 07:30:57 AM
I'm assuming that Arya wants Sansa to put on a face and talk with little finger to hear his true thoughts and then knife him with the blade she gave her.

I didn't consider that angle.....that'd be awesome!!!

I'm so curious as to how this meeting is going to go down next week. I'd be disappointed if at least one major character didn't die....I mean, with all those players in the same arena....it just seems like something has to go awry. I can't imagine that Cersi won't try something and I can't imagine that the others don't know/expect that and would have a plan to defend it.

I'm wondering if this is the moment that the prophecy/theory comes true to where Jaimie kills Cersi when she try's to betray the armistice or even tries to kill Tyrion? An awful lot has been pointing to him doing so.

Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 21, 2017, 07:30:57 AM
Feel mixed on this one. On the one hand, yes I enjoyed the episode, but on the other hand I felt like it might have been the dumbest episode of the entire series.

Game of thrones typically brings razor sharp writing, and that's what drew me to the show in the first place. That plan was retarded. Utterly retarded, and how it played out was bad writing. Like 5 mins after they are passed the wall, all of them almost get murdered by one lone undead bear. Dany randomly shows up right at the nick of time, riding strait to where they are despite never being in the north ever, and Jon's uncle shows up right at the nick of time to save jon. In a show that prides itself on not following conventions, Across the board, this episode had too much goofy stuff for me to be able to suspend my disbelief. It really did feel like a run of the mill walking dead episode. If it wasn't for the night king setting the trap and dany saving them at the very last moment, then that plan had almost 0% chance of working. The night king thanks you jon for giving him a dragon though.

Agree with this also. I liked the episode a ton but the swiftness of Gendry running back....the raven to Dany.....Dany to the rescue at the last minute....and then the save from the Uncle out of nowhere....twas a lot to happen. Someone made the point earlier in the thread that perhaps not limiting the number of episodes to (7) this season and maybe having one or two more would have been better to allow them to work some of these 'fast' pace issues out. All in all it doesn't bother me too much but last nights issue with it was more glaring than ever.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 21, 2017, 08:36:54 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 08:23:28 AM

Agree with this also. I liked the episode a ton but the swiftness of Gendry running back....the raven to Dany.....Dany to the rescue at the last minute....and then the save from the Uncle out of nowhere....twas a lot to happen. Someone made the point earlier in the thread that perhaps not limiting the number of episodes to (7) this season and maybe having one or two more would have been better to allow them to work some of these 'fast' pace issues out. All in all it doesn't bother me too much but last nights issue with it was more glaring than ever.

I don't think it was at the last minute. If the Night King was actually setting a trap, they could have been waiting for two days for all we know. He ordered them to attack once he knew Dany was about to be on top of them. It may have been a calculated and coordinated attack on his part, rather than a lucky time of arrival on Dany's end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 08:42:44 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 21, 2017, 08:36:54 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 08:23:28 AM

Agree with this also. I liked the episode a ton but the swiftness of Gendry running back....the raven to Dany.....Dany to the rescue at the last minute....and then the save from the Uncle out of nowhere....twas a lot to happen. Someone made the point earlier in the thread that perhaps not limiting the number of episodes to (7) this season and maybe having one or two more would have been better to allow them to work some of these 'fast' pace issues out. All in all it doesn't bother me too much but last nights issue with it was more glaring than ever.

I don't think it was at the last minute. If the Night King was actually setting a trap, they could have been waiting for two days for all we know. He ordered them to attack once he knew Dany was about to be on top of them. It may have been a calculated and coordinated attack on his part, rather than a lucky time of arrival on Dany's end.

I understand what your saying...but the bolded....."for all we know".....that could have been better defined somehow. Maybe they tried to define it by having the one cleric freeze to death but it just 'felt' fast. I like your theory of the night King laying a trap but to the average viewer that was a 'last minute' save....along with Jon's uncle riding in from out of nowhere.

I totally dig the show and it's built my trust up enough to allow these types of little issues to really dissolve and be no big deal. I'm just saying I can understand when some folks are criticizing it for those little issues.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on August 21, 2017, 09:23:30 AM: Quote from: Zydar on August 21, 2017, 12:05:14 AM
Another awesome episode. That's all I can find the words to say right now :lol

Agreed! I think I'm at the perfect spot with my Game of Thrones fandom where I love it to death and make it a point to watch each week, but where I don't care quite enough to be bothered by plot holes, transporting, or anything else that the internet is mad about right now. Give me my favorite characters in the same room and I'm happy. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 21, 2017, 10:32:24 AM: What an awesome episode!

BTW, I totally think Cersei is lying about being pregnant in order to keep Jaime in line. We'll see.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 10:41:44 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 21, 2017, 10:32:24 AM
BTW, I totally think Cersei is lying about being pregnant in order to keep Jaime in line. We'll see.

Could totally see that. I think she could sense his distrust for her at the moment and is playing him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 21, 2017, 11:08:35 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 21, 2017, 07:30:57 AM
Feel mixed on this one. On the one hand, yes I enjoyed the episode, but on the other hand I felt like it might have been the dumbest episode of the entire series.

Agreed. I think the conversations before the action north of the wall may have been my favorite parts. Seeing those characters interact was great. The action was cool of course as well, but really I find the whole scenario ridiculous. It'll hold the episode back from being a top one in my book, but it was still a fun and cool episode. I thought for a bit by having the dead dragon sink in the water that we wouldn't actually be getting an ice dragon, but loved the way the episode ended. Also, I'm guessing the Night King knew to camp there because he know Bran was watching, that was the same spot Bran saw the Night King before he scared the Ravens all away by looking at them. Even though Bran didn't tell Jon, he probably knew that was going to be a good spot to set a trap.

The whole Arya v Sansa thing seems strange to me as well. I know those two were never best buds, but I'd really have to think both Arya and Sansa are smarter than this, especially Arya who was acting like she couldn't care less about Sansa and she should be able to see right through Littlefinger's actions.

Next week's episode looks to be a real thriller as well :metal
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Post by: Adami on August 21, 2017, 11:11:09 AM: Also, does the Night King really just have those giant huge and heavy chains with him at all times just in case he needs to pull a dragon out of the water?

While the dialogue has been great, plot wise, the writing is getting pretty sloppy.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 21, 2017, 11:16:07 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 21, 2017, 10:32:24 AM
BTW, I totally think Cersei is lying about being pregnant in order to keep Jaime in line. We'll see.

Could totally see that. I think she could sense his distrust for her at the moment and is playing him.

Yea I could see that as well. She had a stillborn child as well, she told this to Catelyn in season 1. Although some believe she killed it as it was a legit child of Robert Baratheon, but it's possible it wasn't and she isn't capable of even having a child anymore. There's a lot of potential angles to this, but my gut kind of thinks she's lying about the whole thing or plans to not even have the baby if she is telling the truth. She can see Jamie's pushing away and the timing was very convenient.

Quote from: Adami on August 21, 2017, 11:11:09 AM
While the dialogue has been great, plot wise, the writing is getting pretty sloppy.

Totally agree.
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Post by: lordxizor on August 21, 2017, 12:16:15 PM: If Cersei is pregnant with Jamie's child, could the baby be the brother that kills her? It would technically be her half brother. Kind of an unfitting end if she dies in childbirth though.

I agree with the other sentiments about the latest episode. At first I thought it was awesome, but as I've thought about it more, it was fairly sloppily written.
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Post by: Adami on August 21, 2017, 01:07:14 PM: Quote from: lordxizor on August 21, 2017, 12:16:15 PM
If Cersei is pregnant with Jamie's child, could the baby be the brother that kills her? It would technically be her half brother. Kind of an unfitting end if she dies in childbirth though.

I agree with the other sentiments about the latest episode. At first I thought it was awesome, but as I've thought about it more, it was fairly sloppily written.

What? It wouldn't at all be her brother. It would her son/nephew. Only if her dad was banging her would it be her half brother.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM: I believe that the Night King had the chains on hand because he knew that he was getting a shot at dragons. Since touching Bran....he has....the vision....or maybe he is Bran or a version of Bran/3ER. This also explains why he was holding the wights back.

As for the Dany finding the men north of the wall so easially, perhaps the Dragons knew Jon since...well...you know. Or perhaps the message she received from the raven included the landmark of the arrow head shaped mountain.

In other words....show is still masterfully written. You just have to keep in mind that a considerable amount of time can pass even during a single episode.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 01:26:49 PM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
You just have to keep in mind that a considerable amount of time can pass even during a single episode.

I'm sure that Jon and Co. were on that island for two or three days. There just could have surely been a better way to demonstrate that...I'm not a movie writer so I'm not claiming to know what that way would be but it seems to be the largest moments of disbelief in this series center around the time it takes to go to and fro.
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Post by: lordxizor on August 21, 2017, 01:29:01 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 21, 2017, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: lordxizor on August 21, 2017, 12:16:15 PM
If Cersei is pregnant with Jamie's child, could the baby be the brother that kills her? It would technically be her half brother. Kind of an unfitting end if she dies in childbirth though.

I agree with the other sentiments about the latest episode. At first I thought it was awesome, but as I've thought about it more, it was fairly sloppily written.

What? It wouldn't at all be her brother. It would her son/nephew. Only if her dad was banging her would it be her half brother.
Oh yeah. Not sure what I was thinking. Ignore my stupid Monday thoughts.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 21, 2017, 01:41:10 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
You just have to keep in mind that a considerable amount of time can pass even during a single episode.

I'm sure that Jon and Co. were on that island for two or three days. There just could have surely been a better way to demonstrate that...I'm not a movie writer so I'm not claiming to know what that way would be but it seems to be the largest moments of disbelief in this series center around the time it takes to go to and fro.

I think there was a mention of starving and also the fact the ice froze over again were meant to show time passed.
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Post by: Chino on August 21, 2017, 01:44:10 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 21, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
You just have to keep in mind that a considerable amount of time can pass even during a single episode.

I'm sure that Jon and Co. were on that island for two or three days. There just could have surely been a better way to demonstrate that...I'm not a movie writer so I'm not claiming to know what that way would be but it seems to be the largest moments of disbelief in this series center around the time it takes to go to and fro.

I think there was a mention of starving and also the fact the ice froze over again were meant to show time passed.

That and it showed them all waking up from a sleep and a guy that had frozen to death with no one realizing it.
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Post by: Chino on August 21, 2017, 01:50:08 PM: Valyrian Steel

(https://i.redditmedia.com/juB4hADabxO_ytJxyFzT9X3wL8t7ZjzCjP0DwqRFBNc.jpg?w=1000&s=c886d92391dcaf03611cbd2b487c7dd3)
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Post by: ariich on August 21, 2017, 03:32:24 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 21, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
You just have to keep in mind that a considerable amount of time can pass even during a single episode.

I'm sure that Jon and Co. were on that island for two or three days. There just could have surely been a better way to demonstrate that...I'm not a movie writer so I'm not claiming to know what that way would be but it seems to be the largest moments of disbelief in this series center around the time it takes to go to and fro.

I think there was a mention of starving and also the fact the ice froze over again were meant to show time passed.
Also it turned to night and then day again. If a viewer couldn't work out that a day had passed then they're just not actually paying attention to what they're watching.
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Post by: orcus116 on August 21, 2017, 05:09:03 PM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
In other words....show is still masterfully written. You just have to keep in mind that a considerable amount of time can pass even during a single episode.

This is my view. I'm along for the ride at this point and won't let the passage of time distort anything even though there are a few things that sort of made me wonder like how the passage to Dragonstone is going to be from Eastwatch because if I remember from the books Sam had a hell of a time going from Eastwatch passed Skagos which is where the ship is heading.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 21, 2017, 05:34:00 PM: Quote from: orcus116 on August 21, 2017, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
In other words....show is still masterfully written. You just have to keep in mind that a considerable amount of time can pass even during a single episode.

This is my view. I'm along for the ride at this point and won't let the passage of time distort anything even though there are a few things that sort of made me wonder like how the passage to Dragonstone is going to be from Eastwatch because if I remember from the books Sam had a hell of a time going from Eastwatch passed Skagos which is where the ship is heading.

Or how the journey on the Kings Road from Winterfell to Kings Landing in Season 1 took awhile. But to me, that was all part of the storytelling and character/world building. At this point we don't need that, it's all about plot now. My personal criticisms on the show at this point aren't about how quickly time passes in the show, but moreso on how these plots are being set up. I do like how they are tying so much back to season 1 and other early episodes, but some of the new plots (Arya v Sansa, the mission beyond the wall) seem rushed and don't make sense to me.
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Post by: orcus116 on August 21, 2017, 06:03:06 PM: They're giving themselves less episodes to let things stew which presents a bit of a problem. Basically the "previously on..." bits are the only things we get before they dive head on into thicker plot points.
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Post by: Adami on August 21, 2017, 06:23:45 PM: It's totally possible to love a show and episode and still notice the problems. It doesn't have to be perfect.

The passage of time thing? Sure.

The dead creating and just having giant chains? Come on. Now we're making up theories that the Night King knows all and was planning all of this for weeks because he connected with Bran and somehow knew the dragon would come at that exact moment? That's a HUGE stretch.
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Post by: faizoff on August 21, 2017, 07:07:26 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 21, 2017, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: orcus116 on August 21, 2017, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 21, 2017, 01:17:00 PM
In other words....show is still masterfully written. You just have to keep in mind that a considerable amount of time can pass even during a single episode.

This is my view. I'm along for the ride at this point and won't let the passage of time distort anything even though there are a few things that sort of made me wonder like how the passage to Dragonstone is going to be from Eastwatch because if I remember from the books Sam had a hell of a time going from Eastwatch passed Skagos which is where the ship is heading.

Or how the journey on the Kings Road from Winterfell to Kings Landing in Season 1 took awhile. But to me, that was all part of the storytelling and character/world building. At this point we don't need that, it's all about plot now. My personal criticisms on the show at this point aren't about how quickly time passes in the show, but moreso on how these plots are being set up. I do like how they are tying so much back to season 1 and other early episodes, but some of the new plots (Arya v Sansa, the mission beyond the wall) seem rushed and don't make sense to me.

This is a good summation of where my feelings lie. Though I thought up to this last episode every other one has been excellent and I've had nothing to complain about. The setups at this point really do need to be almost flawless with the shortened season. I'm not feeling the Arya vs Sansa rivalry, I'll wait for the payoff though. The mission I go back and forth whether it makes sense or not, the little details don't bother me in the least like 'where did the chains come from?' etc.. Not saying that people don't have a right to be put off by it. Perfectly valid. At this point I only want them to move away from the more saved at the last minute stuff.

Hopefully the season finale quells all minor doubt.
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Post by: orcus116 on August 21, 2017, 07:38:02 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 21, 2017, 06:23:45 PM
It's totally possible to love a show and episode and still notice the problems. It doesn't have to be perfect.

The passage of time thing? Sure.

The dead creating and just having giant chains? Come on. Now we're making up theories that the Night King knows all and was planning all of this for weeks because he connected with Bran and somehow knew the dragon would come at that exact moment? That's a HUGE stretch.

Maybe having the dredging of the dragon as the last scene in the season (giving an episode to let the Night King get the chains) may work better but that's knowing anything about the next episode.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 21, 2017, 07:45:44 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/DxrbgJo.jpg) (https://imgur.com/DxrbgJo)

(https://i.imgur.com/g19NOq5.jpg) (https://imgur.com/g19NOq5)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 21, 2017, 08:01:37 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 21, 2017, 06:23:45 PM
It's totally possible to love a show and episode and still notice the problems. It doesn't have to be perfect.

The passage of time thing? Sure.

The dead creating and just having giant chains? Come on. Now we're making up theories that the Night King knows all and was planning all of this for weeks because he connected with Bran and somehow knew the dragon would come at that exact moment? That's a HUGE stretch.

Having those chains is entirely possible. The dead can clearly due stuff underwater (retrieve a dragon). They could have pulled those off shipwrecks or something.
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Post by: Adami on August 21, 2017, 08:18:24 PM: I didn't say impossible, I said it was a huge stretch.

We can make up whatever we want. That's a sign of not great writing, when the fans have to make up justifications.

And GoT used to be a show about shades of grey, complicated plots, complex characters, subtext, and very creative story lines.

While I'm still enjoying the show, it's become almost entirely black and white, good vs. evil, obvious plots, still amazing characters, very little subtext and predictable story lines.

Like I said, I'm still really enjoying the show, so I dunno why people are getting so defensive here, but when it becomes "Who cares about logic DID YOU SEE THE DRAGONS??" then it's a downgrade to me. Maybe it's just me.
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Post by: soupytwist on August 22, 2017, 01:47:17 AM: It's odd this rushed pacing is entirely self inflicted. The two weakest seasons of GoT for me were 2 & 5 - both due to pacing issues. Season 2 felt rushed trying to cram to much material in the season, while Season 5 felt the opposite, it dragged. But they were products of the 10 Season episodes. This season is feeling rushed though is unnecessary, the writers chose to shorten this Season, but now with one episode left I can't be the only one thinking the material/story we've seen over the first 6 episodes would have felt better paced with 1 or 2 more episodes to flesh out the character moments.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 22, 2017, 02:03:03 AM: After first viewing, my first thoughts was that there was no other episode that I've had this many issues with.

But I'm happy to say that after a second viewing with some friends, it was a lot better. The blatant disregard of distance between Eastwatch and Dragonstone is clearly an issue with this episode. Time jumps haven't bothered me before on this show, not ever, but the problem here was that they clearly told the story as if there wasn't a time jump. Given what they actually showed us, they were on the rock for one evening, one night, and then some time into the next day. At which point weeks of travel was made. It just doesn't make sense and unfortunately there is no way around that.

But on my second viewing I was able just accept it and really enjoy the episode a lot more, and appreciate the huge stuff we got here.

A problem I still have though is how weak they portray the wights to be here. They're supposed to be an absolute nightmare of an enemy, there's nothing you can do to stop them because weapons have zero effect since they're already dead, feel no pain and feel no fear. Only fire stops them. But here, Jon and the others managed to fend off thousands of the dead for far longer than they should have. It made sense in Hardhome, because the living had a lot more fighting for them and the wights only came in a few at a time. The moment the bulk of the army breached those walls there was no other option but to get the fuck out of there. So I didn't like that this episode made the wights less scary than before.

Also, never been a fan of the 'kill the source and the army dies' thing. I usually call it Phantom-Menacing. So I'm not sure I like that they're setting that up.

As for the Night King, I do believe he has the sight, or at least some version of it. He was able to see and even touch Bran inside his vision, and just his gaze threw Bran out of the ravens he sent a few episodes ago. I also like the idea that he set a trap for the dragons, and it would have been really cool to see that addressed. Like Jon and the others realizing that they're delaying the attack for some reason, and through editing reveal that he's waiting for the dragons. Could have been awesome, but unfortunately that was never even hinted at, so there's really no credability to that theory, other than the Night King and the other White Walkers really not looking surprised at all that three dragons suddenly shows up.

Overall, after a second viewing, my thoughts are that this is not a bad episode, just a bit of a disappointing one. Which is an important difference. Very enjoyable, but not what it could have been.
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Post by: ariich on August 22, 2017, 07:49:54 AM: I've never had an issue with the time jumps etc. and didn't in this episode. I also don't think the show feels rushed at all - I'm glad it's moving at pace because season 5 was such a drag and the low point of the show.

But it was definitely a mixed episode. There were some outstanding moments, but being rescued in the nick of time felt too cliché for this show, and then it happened again with Benjen. And then for no apparent reason, Benjen stayed behind to get killed when there was plenty of space for both of them on the horse. Made no sense whatsoever.

I also find it slightly odd that some people find Viserion's death emotional, "heartbreaking", etc. I just don't find I have any emotional investment in the dragons whatsoever.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 22, 2017, 08:17:31 AM: Brianne being sent to the meeting in Kings Landing IMO only enforces my belief that Jaimie is going to kill Cersi at this meeting when she try's to kill everyone there. Her presence is going to help remind or 'ground' him and break the spell that he seems to be under when around Cersi...help make him realize how 'evil' she truly is. Not that Jaimie is innocent...but his character has had more of a redemptive story and killing Cersi would be the cherry on top of that story.

I think he will be swayed and convinced by Jon and Dany....want to put aside the war for the Kingdom and focus on the Knight King and try to convince Cersi of that and that's when she'll try to enact whatever evil plan she has.

Odds are the Hound will be around and you know the Mountain will be there. Clegane Bowl anyone?

Bold Prediction: Jaimie is bending a knee to Dany at the end of the episode
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 22, 2017, 12:27:08 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 22, 2017, 08:17:31 AM
Brianne being sent to the meeting in Kings Landing IMO only enforces my belief that Jaimie is going to kill Cersi at this meeting when she try's to kill everyone there. Her presence is going to help remind or 'ground' him and break the spell that he seems to be under when around Cersi...help make him realize how 'evil' she truly is. Not that Jaimie is innocent...but his character has had more of a redemptive story and killing Cersi would be the cherry on top of that story.

I think he will be swayed and convinced by Jon and Dany....want to put aside the war for the Kingdom and focus on the Knight King and try to convince Cersi of that and that's when she'll try to enact whatever evil plan she has.

Odds are the Hound will be around and you know the Mountain will be there. Clegane Bowl anyone?

Bold Prediction: Jaimie is bending a knee to Dany at the end of the episode

I can see that happening. I don't see Cersei surviving the episode. The question is how many hero's will she take out before she dies. I also think that Littlefinger will be dead as well.

Also, the episode is call the "The Dragon and the Wolf" and is just shy of 80 minutes. Can't wait!
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Post by: Chino on August 22, 2017, 12:29:19 PM: Interesting. I never thought for a second about Cersei not making it to the next season.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 22, 2017, 01:13:05 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 22, 2017, 12:29:19 PM
Interesting. I never thought for a second about Cersei not making it to the next season.

It just 'feels' like to me they've spent all season really propping her up in this position of power and control even after Dany's Dragonfire victory. She's confident and focuses and you can tell she's as sinister as ever. She's warned Jaimie not to betray her and her ruthlessness has only been tamed on occasion by Jaimie.

It's prime conditions for her to be taken out GOT style....meaning out of nowhere. Most likely I'm completely off base but I can't shake the feeling that all the foreshadowing and this whole season has been leading to a 'finality' of sorts as far as the war between Dany and Cersi is concerned and it feels like it's all been pointing to Cersi finally getting hers.

OR.....with Jon being a Targaryan and Drogon 'knowing' this.....maybe Dany is the one who gets killed (the emphasis from the last episode of her not wanting to name her successor until AFTER she becomes Queen being a foreboding foreshadow) and Jon inherits the Dragons/Dothraki etc??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on August 22, 2017, 01:17:31 PM: I'm guessing the title referes directly to Raegar and Lyanna so Jon's parentage will be revealed this episode.

As for Cersei, someone(s) is not leaving that meeting alive. My bet would be on Cersei, the mountain, and the rest of her regime our ousted. With only 6 episodes left (not counting the finale) it just doesn't make a lot of sense to have the conflict for the throne continue until next season.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 22, 2017, 02:12:38 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 22, 2017, 01:17:31 PM
With only 6 episodes left (not counting the finale) it just doesn't make a lot of sense to have the conflict for the throne continue until next season.

I had thought this as well. I imagined that this season would settle the quest for the Iron Throne with next season settling the 'real' war VS the Night King. Not that it would be surprising for them to leave it cliffhanger style to be revealing in Ep. 1 of the last season.....but it'd be nice to get a resolution with this last episode and not have to wait until 2019 to find out.
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Post by: lordxizor on August 22, 2017, 02:25:44 PM: I kinda hope that Jamie doesn't kill Cersei and that Jon and Dany don't get together. I want something unexpected to happen. Not the very thing that all fans have been speculating about. I'd even be up for Jon not being a Targaryan after all. People assume the show has revealed he is, but they've never quite come out and said it, leaving it open for a huge surprise. How about Cersei killing both her brothers so that neither of them can kill her? That would be unexpected (or would have been until right now!).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 22, 2017, 02:33:00 PM: Quote from: lordxizor on August 22, 2017, 02:25:44 PM
I kinda hope that Jamie doesn't kill Cersei and that Jon and Dany don't get together. I want something unexpected to happen. Not the very thing that all fans have been speculating about. I'd even be up for Jon not being a Targaryan after all. People assume the show has revealed he is, but they've never quite come out and said it, leaving it open for a huge surprise. How about Cersei killing both her brothers so that neither of them can kill her? That would be unexpected (or would have been until right now!).

would love something unexpected to happen. I've said it a couple times that it feels like this far into the narrative that the 'unexpected' aspect of the show has been whittled down due to how far along we are. There aren't many options to each story line....there are only two or three viable scenarios that can be taken that would fit the narrative they've built. Not that it's a Bad thing....because it isn't as long as the story is consistent and told well.....but the unexpected nature of GOT that wow'd us in the early seasons has certainly been tamed IMO.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on August 22, 2017, 03:21:32 PM: I'm down for something unexpected, but I also hope that something completely depressing doesn't happen. If the show ends with Supreme Leader Cersei and Danny/Jon being killed in a dragon-riding accident, I'll be a sad panda. :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2017, 03:25:23 PM: Unexpected is good when it's the result is extremely clever writing and ends up making sense. Unexpected for the sake of being unexpected is just lazy.

As Gary pointed out, there's not a ton more unexpected things left that could make sense. Between fan theories and everything we've been building up to, there's only so many logical outcomes. Which is fine.
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Post by: Podaar on August 22, 2017, 04:53:21 PM: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHuAC9rWAAEA99d.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lucky7 on August 22, 2017, 09:00:05 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 21, 2017, 11:11:09 AM
Also, does the Night King really just have those giant huge and heavy chains with him at all times just in case he needs to pull a dragon out of the water?

While the dialogue has been great, plot wise, the writing is getting pretty sloppy.

As soon as the episode ended all I could think was, so they just had these chains lying around, someone had them in their backpack?! Where were they before the Dragon's arrived?
Why did Dany bring all 3, obviously now we know so one could be killed.
Where has the other ran off to, you could just imagine what he was thinking.... (As the ship was at sea, there was only one with her wasn't there?)

Unfortunately I had seen an interview with Jamie, where he gave away no spoilers, but there was a poster behind him and it appeared to show a Dragon on top of an ice wall, that was days before the episode aired, so you almost have to stay away from everything to avoid even hints of what may happen.

Plot wise it is getting very sloppy, the writer's obviously have where they want to be by the end, and just throw in whatever they can to get it there.

Arya with Sansa, why leave the faces in the open, what if Sansa had thrown them in the fire, even after Arya left the room, and Littlefinger could he please be dead already, somebody, anybody.

Can't wait for next week.... Then what, another year?!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 22, 2017, 09:12:30 PM: Some people noticed this:

(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20914585_1598862196855605_1214578573684241243_n.jpg?oh=773d92389d01fd47730e2d9e3d0ff2c9&oe=5A1F02AE)

It's not shopped, I went back to episode and the eyes do change when Jon comes out of the water.
Then a few hours ago IGN posted an interview with the director of the episode stating the eyes weren't meant to do anything and he has no idea what the fans are talking about.
So I did some digging, time stamp 9:52 in season 6 ep2, Jon is dead on the table and Longclaw is leaning on the wall, white eyes, like it was before Jon came out of the lake. Then end of season 6 ep3, Jon is alive and executing the mutineers, I see a glimpse of Longclaw when Jon and I can see the little black gems which shows up after Jon comes out of the lake.
Don't know what it means but it's interesting.
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Post by: Adami on August 22, 2017, 09:21:17 PM: From what I've seen it's just either snow or water drops and people are just really reading too much into it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 22, 2017, 09:34:24 PM: It's probably an asshole of a stagehand dicking with us.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2017, 09:45:51 PM: Quote from: lonestar on August 22, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
It's probably an asshole of a stagehand dicking with us.

Oh man, imagine the temptation of those people, or the final FX team. They can sneak something subtle in there for no purpose than to cause tons of controversy.
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Post by: Progmetty on August 22, 2017, 09:58:23 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 22, 2017, 09:21:17 PM
From what I've seen it's just either snow or water drops and people are just really reading too much into it.

Totally what I thought until I did the digging. I still don't know what it means, if it means anything, but it's definitely there and deliberate.
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Post by: Adami on August 22, 2017, 10:01:40 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on August 22, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: Adami on August 22, 2017, 09:21:17 PM
From what I've seen it's just either snow or water drops and people are just really reading too much into it.

Totally what I thought until I did the digging. I still don't know what it means, if it means anything, but it's definitely there and deliberate.

But your digging literally said it has no meaning and isn't important.
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Post by: Progmetty on August 22, 2017, 11:00:17 PM: I re-read my post and realized I didn't write my conclusion :lol
The eyes are blank white when Jon Snow is dead and they do back to being opened/black gems when he's alive. So Jon Snow died in the lake and came back, he's now unkillable, protected by the lord of light who auto-brings him back when he dies.
Sounds ridiculous, I agree. I'm never the far-fetched-theories guy. But that's what these given factors tell me, might all be a crew member fucking with us like you guys said.
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Post by: Adami on August 22, 2017, 11:01:24 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on August 22, 2017, 11:00:17 PM
I re-read my post and realized I didn't write my conclusion :lol
The eyes are blank white when Jon Snow is dead and they do back to being opened/black gems when he's alive. So Jon Snow died in the lake and came back, he's now unkillable, protected by the lord of light who auto-brings him back when he dies.
Sounds ridiculous, I agree. I'm never the far-fetched-theories guy. But that's what these given factors tell me, might all be a crew member fucking with us like you guys said.

Like I said, from what I saw, it was either water from the lake or snow flakes briefly covering the eyes. Probably intentionally placed there to screw with us.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on August 22, 2017, 11:36:04 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 22, 2017, 09:45:51 PM
Quote from: lonestar on August 22, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
It's probably an asshole of a stagehand dicking with us.

Oh man, imagine the temptation of those people, or the final FX team. They can sneak something subtle in there for no purpose than to cause tons of controversy.

Right? The fans will catch anything, so any little tweek will get a shit ton of speculation. I'd do it for sure.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 23, 2017, 02:22:08 AM: Seeing Tormund opening up about the majestic Brienne of Tarth infront of The Hound made my day! :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHt1tRpVYAE6lso?format=jpg)
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Post by: Logain Ablar on August 23, 2017, 03:19:50 AM: I got caught up with the episode last night, managing to avoid nearly all spoilers. :)

I really liked it. Yes, the breakneck pace continues, and the "deus ex machina" moment where the dragons showed up felt very much like the eagle taxi service from LOTR (which I was ok with too btw), but overall a hugely enjoyable episode.

I loved the way the Hound impaled their prisoner on a dragon barb to stop him getting away. :lol

The production values on this show and especially this season are incredibly good - the CGI is pretty much movie quality. :tup

Littlefinger's plan to drive a wedge betwen Arya and Sansa seems to be working. Though, I wasn't sure why he would suggest that Brienne could be useful, if Sansa was going to immediately send her away to King's Landing to represent her. Not sure what's happening there..

I try to stay away from all the other GoT fan sites out there, so I'm not aware of the current fan theories and all that, but has anyone considered the possibility that Daenerys might die in this next episode, or before the end of the show, leaving Jon as the only remaining Targaryen and rightful heir to the throne (once his parentage is established)?
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Post by: soupytwist on August 23, 2017, 03:54:17 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 23, 2017, 03:19:50 AM
but has anyone considered the possibility that Daenerys might die in this next episode,established)?

I've got a hunch Tyrion will die in this seasons finale. Cersei hates him and I can see her demanding his death (worded as punishment for killing their father) in return for any negotiation.
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Post by: Chino on August 23, 2017, 05:51:20 AM: I wouldn't be surprised if we see Podrick get killed in the season finale. He hasn't been around much, and he'll most likely be going to Kings Landing with Brienne. Brienne made a comment last episode to Sansa about how he has become good with a sword or something like that, so I expect him to do something heroic just before getting killed himself.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 06:42:22 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on August 23, 2017, 03:54:17 AM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 23, 2017, 03:19:50 AM
but has anyone considered the possibility that Daenerys might die in this next episode,established)?

I've got a hunch Tyrion will die in this seasons finale. Cersei hates him and I can see her demanding his death (worded as punishment for killing their father) in return for any negotiation.

Maybe that's what will get Jamie to kill Cersei.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 23, 2017, 06:45:06 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 06:42:22 AM
Quote from: soupytwist on August 23, 2017, 03:54:17 AM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 23, 2017, 03:19:50 AM
but has anyone considered the possibility that Daenerys might die in this next episode,established)?

I've got a hunch Tyrion will die in this seasons finale. Cersei hates him and I can see her demanding his death (worded as punishment for killing their father) in return for any negotiation.

Maybe that's what will get Jamie to kill Cersei.

Any chance Tyrion kills Cersei?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 23, 2017, 08:18:05 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 23, 2017, 06:45:06 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 06:42:22 AM
Quote from: soupytwist on August 23, 2017, 03:54:17 AM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 23, 2017, 03:19:50 AM
but has anyone considered the possibility that Daenerys might die in this next episode,established)?

I've got a hunch Tyrion will die in this seasons finale. Cersei hates him and I can see her demanding his death (worded as punishment for killing their father) in return for any negotiation.

Maybe that's what will get Jamie to kill Cersei.

Any chance Tyrion kills Cersei?

That would be interesting and a neat 'unexpected' moment that still fits the story perfectly. I just lean towards Jaimie being that both Tyrion and Brieanne are going to be there....two people that we know he cares about and IF Cersi decides to go off the rails and try to kill everyone he'd be forced to choose and I think he'd choose Tyrion (and Brieanne) and the 'honorable' thing to do.

Cersi made the point to remind him he's a soldier....and we know how honor plays out with soldiers. We know Jaimie has killed before in the name of honor and the 'right' thing to do. IF indeed Cersi decides she's going to violate (dishonor) the truce I think that coupled with the folks he cares about being threatened on top of the fact he already knows and is questioning her....it just seems to make sense he'd be the one to kill her.

Then again, she could just as easily kill him. :lol Maybe I'm too fixated on the fact it just 'feels' like that's what they've been setting up with all the people constantly telling Jaimie how evil Cersi is....him agreeing but still going along with her.....I don't know....I could be blinded to any other plausible scenario.

They did make a point for Tyrion to want a successor to Dany and her putting it off until after she gets the throne.......maybe she does get killed? That'd fit just as well. Again, it 'feels' like Dany would/should live but who knows?
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Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 09:11:14 AM: I was pretty sure Cersei would die by the end of this season to leave focus on the war with the dead next season, but I'm not so sure now. She already said she has plan to betray everyone once they make the deal, so I think they make the deal and the betrayal happens next season. Leading to some awkwardness in Kings Landing next season as they plan to kill the Night King while Cersei plans to kill Dany/Tyrion/Jon.

Granted all that doesn't make for a big bang season finale so I'm going to guess it's not so smooth along the way.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 23, 2017, 09:27:26 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 09:11:14 AM
I was pretty sure Cersei would die by the end of this season to leave focus on the war with the dead next season, but I'm not so sure now. She already said she has plan to betray everyone once they make the deal, so I think they make the deal and the betrayal happens next season. Leading to some awkwardness in Kings Landing next season as they plan to kill the Night King while Cersei plans to kill Dany/Tyrion/Jon.

Granted all that doesn't make for a big bang season finale so I'm going to guess it's not so smooth along the way.

I can tell you right now that if something major doesn't happen at that meeting I will be very disappointed. If it goes down like you said with Cersi just planning on betraying them 'later'....I'd be ticked. Too many main players in one spot for something cool/unexpected not to happen. I can't imagine they'd just ho hum through that and leave 'something' to happen next season....or at least I hope not.

I really can't see them missing that chance for a major death/major "something".
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Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 09:45:33 AM: Well it doesn't have to be at that meeting. They could all play nice, make a deal and then later in the episode she betrays them and shit goes down.

I mean cleganebowl almost HAS to happen now, but doesn't mean it has to be this episode. It could all be planting seeds for the next season.

But I agree, if something major doesn't happen, it would be kind of a let down.

But I think we see Grey Worm's death next episode. We still have Euron's fleet surrounding them. I think there's a lot of time in this episode for major things to go down, and Cersei's death doesn't need to be one of them IMO.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 09:55:42 AM: Something will happen at the meeting. They have 80 minutes to fill.
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Post by: Chino on August 23, 2017, 10:09:26 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Something will happen at the meeting. They have 80 minutes to fill.

We don't know how much time will be dedicated to the meeting though. We haven't seen the resolution of the unsullied's dilemma. I hope they don't end up focussing a ton of time on that.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 10:18:32 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 23, 2017, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Something will happen at the meeting. They have 80 minutes to fill.

We don't know how much time will be dedicated to the meeting though. We haven't seen the resolution of the unsullied's dilemma. I hope they don't end up focussing a ton of time on that.

Exactly, for all we know the meeting opens up the episode and they agree to a pact, only to have it unfold throughout the episode with the unsullied getting slaughtered by Euron after letting them in due to "peace".

But I do think it's more likely something does happen at the meeting, I'm just starting to feel Cersei's death is not it because that's what we all expected to happen this season.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 10:29:55 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 23, 2017, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Something will happen at the meeting. They have 80 minutes to fill.

We don't know how much time will be dedicated to the meeting though. We haven't seen the resolution of the unsullied's dilemma. I hope they don't end up focussing a ton of time on that.

Just curious, did you watch the preview for the episode? I won't spoil it if you didn't.
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Post by: lonestar on August 23, 2017, 10:53:30 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Something will happen at the meeting. They have 80 minutes to fill.

My daughter had a good one...it'll boil down to a "trial by combat" type situation at the meeting...the hound vs the mountain.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 23, 2017, 11:53:19 AM: Quote from: lonestar on August 23, 2017, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Something will happen at the meeting. They have 80 minutes to fill.

My daughter had a good one...it'll boil down to a "trial by combat" type situation at the meeting...the hound vs the mountain.

If it boils down to trial by combat, send the walker in instead of the hound.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 23, 2017, 12:10:09 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 23, 2017, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Something will happen at the meeting. They have 80 minutes to fill.

We don't know how much time will be dedicated to the meeting though. We haven't seen the resolution of the unsullied's dilemma. I hope they don't end up focussing a ton of time on that.

Just curious, did you watch the preview for the episode? I won't spoil it if you didn't.

No. I never watch those. I like to go into things as blind as possible.
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Post by: Adami on August 23, 2017, 12:20:58 PM: Genuine question for people who know more about the show/books than I do.

Isn't the wall supposed to have some magic about it as well? If so, wouldn't that prevent them bringing back a walker across it? If not, then what does the magic do?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 12:24:35 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 23, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
Genuine question for people who know more about the show/books than I do.

Isn't the wall supposed to have some magic about it as well? If so, wouldn't that prevent them bringing back a walker across it? If not, then what does the magic do?

I've been wondering if the wight would just be like a dead body once it crosses the wall, but then again that one wight "woke up" at castle black.

I was under the impression the Wall did have magic powers to it provided by the Children of the Forest similar to what they had in their cave before Bran was touched by the Night King and broke the spell. I assumed that same spell broke on the wall once Bran crossed it, but honestly, it's quite confusing as to what the real story is. Benjen told Bran he couldn't cross the wall due to the magic since he was a half wight.

Essentially I don't know.
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Post by: Chino on August 23, 2017, 12:25:00 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 23, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
Genuine question for people who know more about the show/books than I do.

Isn't the wall supposed to have some magic about it as well? If so, wouldn't that prevent them bringing back a walker across it? If not, then what does the magic do?

From what I've been told, the wights are not phased by the wall's magic, only the night king and the white walkers are.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 12:26:50 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 23, 2017, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: Adami on August 23, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
Genuine question for people who know more about the show/books than I do.

Isn't the wall supposed to have some magic about it as well? If so, wouldn't that prevent them bringing back a walker across it? If not, then what does the magic do?

From what I've been told, the wights are not phased by the wall's magic, only the night king and the white walkers are.

We saw wights exploded trying to enter the Children of the Forests cave, so that magic worked on them. You may be right though and those could be different magic spells.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2017, 12:27:12 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 23, 2017, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: Adami on August 23, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
Genuine question for people who know more about the show/books than I do.

Isn't the wall supposed to have some magic about it as well? If so, wouldn't that prevent them bringing back a walker across it? If not, then what does the magic do?

From what I've been told, the wights are not phased by the wall's magic, only the night king and the white walkers are.

So the big dudes in charge are phased, but the actual mindless zombies aren't? Just making sure I got the terms down haha.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 23, 2017, 12:38:43 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 23, 2017, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 23, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Something will happen at the meeting. They have 80 minutes to fill.

We don't know how much time will be dedicated to the meeting though. We haven't seen the resolution of the unsullied's dilemma. I hope they don't end up focussing a ton of time on that.

IMO any longer than 5 minutes would be a waste of time unless something amazing happened. Arya/Sansa/Little Finger needs a resolution this season and 'something' of significance has to happen at that meeting. Whether or not it's Cersi dying isn't the point....the point is something major has to happen at that meeting other than they all talk to each other then leave. My opinion of it being Cersi's murder is just based off of how I've read the hints/foreshadowing etc of the past season and a half. Could totally be off on that but whatevs.....
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 23, 2017, 12:50:18 PM: Read a pretty compelling argument that Arya is just toying with Little Finger at this point.....making him think he's succeeding at his plan. It basically relies on us understanding that Arya is a trained assassin. Trained in stealth and knowing when she indeed is being followed. That she knew Little Finger was following her and watched her enter the room and that the last episode when Sansa entered Arya's room they made a point to make the door very noisy and creeky....yet Arya enters unheard. And that she basically played the game of lies with Sansa saying false things like she watched Sansa not care when Ned was beheaded when in fact Sansa had to be held back.....she said that she herself would never serve a Lannister when in fact she was a cup bearer to Tywin....anyway....the point being that she's just leading Little Finger on.

I could totally see that but would like her to explain that to Little Finger right before she kills him....just to drive the point home.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 12:57:01 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 23, 2017, 12:50:18 PM
Read a pretty compelling argument that Arya is just toying with Little Finger at this point.....making him think he's succeeding at his plan. It basically relies on us understanding that Arya is a trained assassin. Trained in stealth and knowing when she indeed is being followed. That she knew Little Finger was following her and watched her enter the room and that the last episode when Sansa entered Arya's room they made a point to make the door very noisy and creeky....yet Arya enters unheard. And that she basically played the game of lies with Sansa saying false things like she watched Sansa not care when Ned was beheaded when in fact Sansa had to be held back.....she said that she herself would never serve a Lannister when in fact she was a cup bearer to Tywin....anyway....the point being that she's just leading Little Finger on.

I could totally see that but would like her to explain that to Little Finger right before she kills him....just to drive the point home.

That makes a lot of sense. I really haven't been liking the Arya v Sansa feud as it mostly makes little sense from Arya's perspective, like she should know better from her training and experience to just be so against Sansa and not realize it is LF who is manipulating her. So that would make the storyline make a lot more sense IMO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on August 23, 2017, 01:11:35 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 23, 2017, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 23, 2017, 12:50:18 PM
Read a pretty compelling argument that Arya is just toying with Little Finger at this point.....making him think he's succeeding at his plan. It basically relies on us understanding that Arya is a trained assassin. Trained in stealth and knowing when she indeed is being followed. That she knew Little Finger was following her and watched her enter the room and that the last episode when Sansa entered Arya's room they made a point to make the door very noisy and creeky....yet Arya enters unheard. And that she basically played the game of lies with Sansa saying false things like she watched Sansa not care when Ned was beheaded when in fact Sansa had to be held back.....she said that she herself would never serve a Lannister when in fact she was a cup bearer to Tywin....anyway....the point being that she's just leading Little Finger on.

I could totally see that but would like her to explain that to Little Finger right before she kills him....just to drive the point home.

That makes a lot of sense. I really haven't been liking the Arya v Sansa feud as it mostly makes little sense from Arya's perspective, like she should know better from her training and experience to just be so against Sansa and not realize it is LF who is manipulating her. So that would make the storyline make a lot more sense IMO.

I think Arya's end game is to take down Little Finger, and while she's a step ahead of him on this one (as pointed out), she knows he's expecting her to try and kill him. I think Arya is aiming to get sansa to throw on one of those faces and kill Little Finger herself.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on August 23, 2017, 06:21:06 PM: I sincerely hope that is exactly what she is doing. As a badass, faceless assassin, my heart really hopes she knows exactly what she is doing and is playing LF.

We shall see
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Post by: masterthes on August 24, 2017, 01:52:11 AM: So, I think I heard this season wasn't eligible for Emmy nominations? Is that true?
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Post by: lordxizor on August 24, 2017, 04:16:41 AM: I think it would be better if Sansa kills Littlefinger.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 24, 2017, 04:35:44 AM: Quote from: lordxizor on August 24, 2017, 04:16:41 AM
I think it would be better if Sansa kills Littlefinger.

I agree, but I can't see it happening at this point. I think she still trusts him and relies on him far too much. Also, she's indebted to the knights of the Vale for getting her away from Ramsay Bolton.

If Arya does end up killing him, it's going to create a major rift between the two sisters. I'm sure that's what Littlefinger wanted, but not at the expense of his own death. :)
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 24, 2017, 04:53:35 AM: I saw the leaked episode but because I was about to go away on vacation, it would have sucked to come back only last night, and find already spoilers and memes :lol

I agree with the mixed reviews. On one hand, absolutely mindf'kingblowing episodes, ice dragon and all that shit :metal on the other hand... geez. The distances. Gendry runs back to Eeastwatch on foot, they send a raven, the raven flies along an entire goddamn continent, Dany makes the trip while the guys spend seemingly only ONE night on the ice, she saves them at the last minute... then Jon stays behind to fight more wights, he goes down, gets out, gets saved once again in the nick of time by Benjen, oh cool, Benjen's back, who knows what they will do together aaaaaaaand he's dead.

It should have been one of the biggest episodes ever - like "the Red Weeding", "the one with the battle of Blackwater", "the one with the dragon attacking the Lannister army", but it was really brought down by the absolute disregard for time and distance.

I think they could have had a siege at Eastwatch - being inside a castle would have been a better excuse for 7 people to survive while surrounded and vastly outnumbered, they could have made them resist a week or so (30 seconds of dialogue abou the supplies lasting only one more day), and there could have been still the dragons arriving. The way they did it in the show was dumber, it almost feel like they wanted a dragon dying in the frozen lake, and wrote back the entire thing from it, justiifying dumb actions by the protagonists in the process.

It's a pity 'cause the character writing was there - the various guys "bonding" were all excellent scenes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Tyrias on August 24, 2017, 06:07:44 AM: Honestly, when you think about it, the distances actually don't seem that bad anymore. Let's say it took Gendry about 6 hours to run back to Castle Black, which seems somewhat realistic given he was running rather fast (especially given the thick furs he was wearing) and collapsed at the end. We know it's about 1000 miles from Winterfell to King's Landing (Sansa said so in the episode), so let's say it's about 1500 miles from Eastwatch to Dragonstone. Trained messenger birds in our world can manage about 60 miles per hour on a rather long distance flight, if we assume the raven they sent was changed in the middle of the journey and a "fresh" raven was carrying the message at all times, it seems possible for the message to arrive at Dragonstone within 24 hours. Especially since this is a fantasy world, and maybe ravens are a bit faster here than in hour world.
Then all that is left is for Dany to get back to the north of the wall, which is again roughly 1500 miles (I guess the distance Gendry ran is pretty negligible when we talk about flying on a dragon). Now the question is, how fast can a dragon fly? Given what we've seen of them in the series I'd say everything up until 250 miles per hour is somewhat realistic, they are magical creatures after all. Since it's a rather long distance, let's say they flew 150 miles per hour consistently, so another 10 hours to get back to the wall.
So in total, we have 6+24+10 hours from the moment Gendry left to the moment Dany arrived back, which seems not that much longer than the 36 hours many people assume that the gang was on that island.
That said, when I was watching the episode, I did find it somewhat hard to believe how quickly Dany arrived, without doing any calculations. And all the last minute rescues did seem too cliché for my taste, especially since GOT has mostly avoided clichées so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 24, 2017, 06:58:39 AM: Well, I guess I'll go along with your calculations and adopt them as canon, I don't think the showrunner themselves could come up with a better explanation anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2017, 08:14:17 AM: I think if they were stuck on that island until next episode people wouldn't feel as annoyed with the timing. I think it all happening in one episode made it harder to swallow as believable, well in a world of nothing that's believable :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on August 24, 2017, 09:22:15 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 24, 2017, 08:14:17 AM
I think if they were stuck on that island until next episode people wouldn't feel as annoyed with the timing. I think it all happening in one episode made it harder to swallow as believable, well in a world of nothing that's believable :lol

I was literally going to post this. If this was a 10 episode season and stuff was spread across multiple episodes I don't there would be as many people having issues with the travel.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 24, 2017, 10:55:29 AM: I think IGN's review of the episode explained pretty well why something didn't quite feel right to so many people. The distances themselves aren't really the issue, it's that we got so many things happening in the same episode that these heavy moments didn't really have any time to breathe and really sink in with the viewer. It sort of felt like the showrunners rushed through massive events like they didn't really matter, and just wanted to get to the ice dragon. I don't think it's like that, I don't think the showrunners didn't care about the things going on in this episode, but unfortunately the way they paced it made it sort of feel like it.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 24, 2017, 01:04:58 PM: A shotout for the handsome and badass lines from the Hound:

"You're whinging"
"I'm not whinging"
"Your lips are moving and you're complaining about something. You're whinging" :lol :rollin

Also Tormund's advice about staying warm in such a cold climate: "You've got to keep moving. Walking's good, fighting's better, fucking's best" :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2017, 01:11:27 PM: The pre-fighting conversations beyond the wall were really amazing. I wish we got more of that. I feel there's so much that can be said between these characters that would be cool to see/hear and what we got was so good, I just want more.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 25, 2017, 12:29:40 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on August 24, 2017, 10:55:29 AM
I think IGN's review of the episode explained pretty well why something didn't quite feel right to so many people. The distances themselves aren't really the issue, it's that we got so many things happening in the same episode that these heavy moments didn't really have any time to breathe and really sink in with the viewer. It sort of felt like the showrunners rushed through massive events like they didn't really matter, and just wanted to get to the ice dragon. I don't think it's like that, I don't think the showrunners didn't care about the things going on in this episode, but unfortunately the way they paced it made it sort of feel like it.
One thing about pace and timing on the show. In earlier seasons, they could show passage of time by going to one or several of the 25 other storylines featuring 700 other characters while any given long journey was going on. That made it easier to depict long distances and such.

They can't do that anymore, because everyone else is now dead. There are only so many other characters and storylines left, so it is more difficult to realistically depict how long some of these journeys take.
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Post by: lucky7 on August 25, 2017, 03:14:06 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 24, 2017, 01:04:58 PM
A shotout for the handsome and badass lines from the Hound:

"You're whinging"
"I'm not whinging"
"Your lips are moving and you're complaining about something. You're whinging" :lol :rollin

I loved that line, I need to remember it for a few people I know .... :rollin
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Post by: Chino on August 25, 2017, 06:04:34 AM: Did HBO ever give a reason as to why the last two seasons of one of the most popular shows of all time were shortened?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2017, 06:29:19 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 25, 2017, 06:04:34 AM
Did HBO ever give a reason as to why the last two seasons of one of the most popular shows of all time were shortened?

I read a while back that Benioff and Weiss always believed they could tell the story in 70-75 episodes. It will be 73 episodes after final season.

I think they could have easily filled the last two seasons with (10) episodes each. We could have gotten some more flushed out scenarios. At the least they could have had two (8) episode seasons.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 25, 2017, 07:07:59 AM: I'm guessing there isn't a lot of story left to tell. Lots of big action pieces and tieing up loose ends. With how long the episodes have been I don't mind.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2017, 07:55:24 AM: They also don't have the book material or GRRM on board anymore to help them flesh out the storylines. I think that has shown in the writing as the quality has gone down a bit without his input. Having said that, I do think the show runners do a great job with what they have. It must be difficult to finish GRRM's puzzle of a story that he himself can't finish.
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Post by: The Walrus on August 25, 2017, 08:43:28 AM: I'm going to enjoy watching the entire season on Sunday. I'd like to watch the entire series before season 8 premieres.

For the finale, I predict Cleganebowl, some form of Lannister tragedy (Cersei?), Littlefinger tasting steel... and the Lich King and Sindragosa - I mean, Night King and Blue Eyes Wight Dragon - up to some shenanigans at the Wall. And I hope it all happens :)
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Post by: Chino on August 25, 2017, 08:45:39 AM: I wouldn't be surprised to see the finale end with the wall cracking and/or coming down.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2017, 08:52:40 AM: Yea, I got to think the Night King breaches the wall in some form next episode. And I have always assumed that would mean the wall coming down, but I'm not entirely sure how that would happen.
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Post by: The Walrus on August 25, 2017, 10:15:52 AM: I wonder what kind of seismic impact that would have if it just shattered with the Night King's touch... 300 miles wide, 300 feet thick, 700 feet tall...
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Post by: Chino on August 25, 2017, 10:29:28 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on August 25, 2017, 10:15:52 AM
I wonder what kind of seismic impact that would have if it just shattered with the Night King's touch... 300 miles wide, 300 feet thick, 700 feet tall...

Assuming it's strictly water ice, that'd be 20,766,700,000,000 pounds coming down.

332,640,000,000 cubic feet of wall
62.43lbs per cubic foot

... Just realized I didn't take into account the expansion of the water when it froze. Either way, math says it's really heavy. Seismic activity would be immense.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2017, 11:16:15 AM: Would it be enough to shake Kings Landing? Maybe that would be a better way to convince Cersei :lol
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Post by: Chino on August 25, 2017, 11:19:44 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 25, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Would it be enough to shake Kings Landing? Maybe that would be a better way to convince Cersei :lol

That'd be something :lol Shits about to go down and then everything start violently shaking.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 25, 2017, 11:58:48 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 25, 2017, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 25, 2017, 11:16:15 AM
Would it be enough to shake Kings Landing? Maybe that would be a better way to convince Cersei :lol

That'd be something :lol Shits about to go down and then everything start violently shaking.

That would be a nice final shot for the season. Maybe once again a "perfect timing" clichè, like the Vesuvius erupting at the right moment in a movie about Pompei, but the Wall coming down and the aftershock being felt in King's Landing - with the most clever of the bunch saying "There's only one thing that could cause this quake... the Wall coming down" and people going "Oh shit" - would be a great final shot.

About the shortened seasons, if you add up the additional minutes of the longer episodes, I believe you have 8 standard 50 minutes episodes. I understand storylines are being trimmed but I wouldn't have minded a couple of "bottle" episodes to reach the canonic 10, with little but meaningful scenes here and there. For one I'd watch an entire episode of the Hound being a nihilistic smartass to everyone.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2017, 12:02:00 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 25, 2017, 11:58:48 AM
For one I'd watch an entire episode of the Hound being a nihilistic smartass to everyone.

Totally. An episode focused just on everyone walking and talking beyond the wall would have been awesome, including plenty of the Hound being a smart ass.
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Post by: Adami on August 25, 2017, 01:44:35 PM: https://streamable.com/n0psq

You're all welcome.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2017, 01:57:16 PM: :rollin yes, more of that please
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 25, 2017, 02:05:36 PM: :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on August 26, 2017, 10:04:39 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 25, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on August 25, 2017, 10:15:52 AM
I wonder what kind of seismic impact that would have if it just shattered with the Night King's touch... 300 miles wide, 300 feet thick, 700 feet tall...

Assuming it's strictly water ice, that'd be 20,766,700,000,000 pounds coming down.

332,640,000,000 cubic feet of wall
62.43lbs per cubic foot

... Just realized I didn't take into account the expansion of the water when it froze. Either way, math says it's really heavy. Seismic activity would be immense.

I love that you took time to do the math on this. Awesome.
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Post by: The Walrus on August 27, 2017, 06:20:37 PM: Watched all of season 7 today even though I've seen all the episodes multiple times... really enjoy watching so many things come to a head yet still raising new (and old) questions for season 8 to answer. Timed last week's episode to finish right before the finale. Here's hoping for Cleganebowl.
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Post by: orcus116 on August 27, 2017, 08:25:36 PM: Fairly boring finale but at least we got two worthwhile parts out of it. Anyone else confused at the opening scene? It's like they miscut that from somewhere earlier in the season because it gave no context.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 27, 2017, 08:28:00 PM: Fantastic finale to a fantastic season :metal :metal
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Post by: Implode on August 27, 2017, 08:47:15 PM: It was good, but I can't help but feel like everything, even the plot twists, are what people have been predicting for weeks now. Maybe that's simply because we're so close to the end, it's trying to tie up as many things as possible. However, it all seems so simple and predictable now.

Also, I found it interesting that the director decided to intercut John/Dany with the reveal that they are aunt and nephew. :lol
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Post by: faizoff on August 27, 2017, 08:48:13 PM: What an amazing finale. I loved the pace of this episode! And finally the payoff with the Arya and Sansa rivalry was awesome! Jon's true heritage finally revealed! That scene with Sam and Bran was amazing. So many awesome moments. I think that plot of bringing back the wight did pay off. I was iffy with the idea but it was truly worth it just for Cersei's look when that wight came running for her.

So many great moments, it truly felt like the most normal paced episode this season. And now the wait begins..
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Post by: The Walrus on August 27, 2017, 08:51:11 PM: A friend of mine just told me it could've been better by having a battle or two. When I told him it made no sense for there to be a big battle here (and that tradition was that the penultimate episode tends to have the most action), he said he just expects a big battle in the finale regardless. Strange. I thought it was an awesome episode, it was lengthy and tied up a lot of plots to which most of us predicted the conclusions, but it was so satisfying to watch for nearly 90 minutes. The final scene was something I've wanted to see for a long time and boy what a killer shot that was of the undead army marching south of the wall. Next season will be violent as hell, time to start the countdown... hope we don't have to wait til 2019.
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Post by: faizoff on August 27, 2017, 09:04:51 PM: I stopped reading the theories or thinking too much about what's going to happen because there are very few ways things can go with what's left of the characters on the show. Most everyone will be right at this point, and that's why I checkout after the day of the episode airs.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 27, 2017, 09:08:20 PM: Holy crap, what an episode!

Worst takeaway is easily the apparent death of Tormund.
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Post by: chknptpie on August 27, 2017, 09:14:20 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 27, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
Holy crap, what an episode!

Worst takeaway is easily the apparent death of Tormund.

How disappointed would you be if he and a couple others survived that?

Edit - disappointed in the writing, not the survival of the character lol
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Post by: faizoff on August 27, 2017, 09:15:32 PM: I think it was sorta implied that he was on the side of the wall that didn't fall. I don't think he's gone.
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Post by: chknptpie on August 27, 2017, 09:17:00 PM: Quote from: faizoff on August 27, 2017, 09:15:32 PM
I think it was sorta implied that he was on the side of the wall that didn't fall. I don't think he's gone.

That's why I ask the question. I have a feeling he and Beric survived. Someone has to send a raven.
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Post by: Chino on August 27, 2017, 09:22:13 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on August 22, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
Some people noticed this:

(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20914585_1598862196855605_1214578573684241243_n.jpg?oh=773d92389d01fd47730e2d9e3d0ff2c9&oe=5A1F02AE)

It's not shopped, I went back to episode and the eyes do change when Jon comes out of the water.
Then a few hours ago IGN posted an interview with the director of the episode stating the eyes weren't meant to do anything and he has no idea what the fans are talking about.
So I did some digging, time stamp 9:52 in season 6 ep2, Jon is dead on the table and Longclaw is leaning on the wall, white eyes, like it was before Jon came out of the lake. Then end of season 6 ep3, Jon is alive and executing the mutineers, I see a glimpse of Longclaw when Jon and I can see the little black gems which shows up after Jon comes out of the lake.
Don't know what it means but it's interesting.

Happened again https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/EquatorialCoordinatedGrosbeak
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Post by: faizoff on August 27, 2017, 09:23:01 PM: Bran already knows, he was warged into the ravens that were at the wall.
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Post by: chknptpie on August 27, 2017, 09:24:15 PM: Quote from: faizoff on August 27, 2017, 09:23:01 PM
Bran already knows, he was warged into the ravens that were at the wall.
lol duh, good point
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Post by: Progmetty on August 27, 2017, 11:29:15 PM: Chino I didn't catch that during the episode, so third time this happens!
Adami you and the people denying it made me think we have a "what color is the dress" kinda situation :lol:

I liked the finale okay. Everything I was expecting to happen has happened except I didn't care much for the way they handled the Bran/Sam reveal, I wanted to see Jon Snow finding out! That bit of acting and dialouge I've been looking forward to for so long would have been amazing! Instead they did a reveal for the 3 HBO viewers who have not been privileged enough to have an internet connection for the past 7 years.
When I complain about GoT, I'm only doing it against the standard they set. At it's worst it's still simply the best thing that's ever been on TV.
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Post by: lonestar on August 27, 2017, 11:31:43 PM: Very cool episode.... I literally cheered when Sansa turned the tables, like by myself in my room screaming "FUCK YEAH!!!!!!", and Arya's turn to a smile right after was fucking brilliant.

Kinda creepy with the chat between Bran and Sam being the background "music" for Jon and Dany.

And I'm very relived the ice dragon breathed blue fire, that would've been hella lame if it was just fire. Also saw at least 4 or 5 giants, and 100k men...smart money is on the army of the dead.

A fucking year....don't know if I can last that long.
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Post by: Zydar on August 28, 2017, 12:07:44 AM: Ice dragon :metal

Another great episode. I was sure that Jaimie was going to die when she gave the kill command though.
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Post by: lonestar on August 28, 2017, 12:22:21 AM: Quote from: Zydar on August 28, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
Ice dragon :metal

Another great episode. I was sure that Jaimie was going to die when she gave the kill command though.

Yep, I held my breath for a few at that moment...they even had some of their trademark "you're about to die" music start up.
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Post by: Adami on August 28, 2017, 01:08:10 AM: Fun episode. I loved all the stuff at the beginning.

As much as I was happy to see Littlefinger go, it really was just going through the motions.

I miss the complexities of the show, though the stuff with Cersie and stuff this episode brought some of it back.
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Post by: ariich on August 28, 2017, 03:19:35 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on August 27, 2017, 08:25:36 PM
Anyone else confused at the opening scene? It's like they miscut that from somewhere earlier in the season because it gave no context.
That was Dany and her epic entourage arriving for the negotiations at the dragon pit. Not sure what's out of place or confusing about it?

And yeah really good episode although the all-out incest was kinda weird. :lol
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 28, 2017, 03:48:45 AM: I thought that was a great finale. I think the main reason people find it predictable now is because every single theory has been discussed to death, and some things are just logical when they've been set up so well over so long. I expect next season will be less predictable now we're so close to the end.

Theon's fight was funny. I was joking that the other guy should hit him in the balls and it has no effect, and then that's exactly what happened. :lol

It was rewarding to see little finger finally get what he had coming to him, and Bran to finally pay off. He's been sitting there with all the potential knowledge in the world, and it appeared that he was doing nothing. I'm glad the Starks came together and kicked his ass. :metal

And I've been kinda wanting Dany and Jon to get it on all season, so I'm down with them making pretty incest babbies. The breakup's gonna be a bitch, between finding out they're related, and both have claim to the throne, and then there's custody over the dragons. Messy.

The ending with the ice dragon was badass. People had been talking about it taking down the wall, but it totally snapped it. They missed an opportunity to have yet another season end with a dragon flying at the camera though. :lol

I have a feeling next season is going to be even more jam packed than this season.
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Post by: ariich on August 28, 2017, 04:14:58 AM: I don't really get why so many people have been so keen for Dany and Jon to get it on. I've also found his change of heart to bend the knee to her a bit random. She did nothing to warrant it other than turning up with dragons, but that just makes her powerful, not righteous.

One big question I'm interested in is how Jon being Aegon Targaryen relates to Egg from the books. It has been speculated that Egg is a fake and his story will go nowhere (somewhat like Frog, who was also ignored from the show), so if that's the case then I guess it doesn't really matter too much, but presumably we won't find out at least until Winds of Winter is released (if ever).
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Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 06:13:28 AM: Quote from: chknptpie on August 27, 2017, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: faizoff on August 27, 2017, 09:15:32 PM
I think it was sorta implied that he was on the side of the wall that didn't fall. I don't think he's gone.

That's why I ask the question. I have a feeling he and Beric survived. Someone has to send a raven.

He's definitely not dead. He's hauling ass to Castle Black.

The wall fell from left to right (all the way to the sea). Anyone on top of the wall to the left and beyond is safe.
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Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 06:22:56 AM: Quote from: lonestar on August 27, 2017, 11:31:43 PM
Very cool episode.... I literally cheered when Sansa turned the tables, like by myself in my room screaming "FUCK YEAH!!!!!!", and Arya's turn to a smile right after was fucking brilliant.

Sansa didn't listen to her dad though. Didn't he say something way back when about the person who gives the sentence should be the one to swing the sword?
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on August 28, 2017, 06:28:57 AM: I really enjoyed last night's episode and the season in general.

For you hardcore GOT fans: What is the leading fan theory right now as to how the show ends? I don't follow that kind of thing too closely, but am curious to hear about where people think it's all going right now.
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Post by: Grappler on August 28, 2017, 06:58:50 AM: I loved it, and agree that there's really no where else for the show to go in order to surprise us. Fans have discussed so many theories to death, and some of them will turn out to be true. Littlefinger tried to manipulate the wrong people this time. It was nice to see him called to the carpet for the things that he's done.

According to WGN Chicago's entertainment reporter, season 8 won't air until 2019, but each episode may be feature film length. Nothing has been confirmed by HBO, but that's the leading speculation - I would be fine with that. It's a long, long wait (we waited that long for some Sopranos seasons too), but the giant-sized episodes would be awesome. Up to 12 hours of Game of Thrones left, if that ends up happening.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 07:14:18 AM: I definitely enjoyed the episode, but kind of felt it wasn't a big bang besides the final minutes.

The scene in the arena was kind of ridiculous, and I don't mean that in a bad way, but just seeing everyone, like literally almost every major character, in the same vicinity. That was crazy, I don't think I ever expected to see so many of them together and not fighting. That was kind of cool and seeing the dead still alive that far south put on the full show was fun. I love how Jon said he would keep his word, and was brought up multiple times how that was very much like Ned, yet by the end of the episode we find out how big of a liar Ned actually was! His lying is the reason Jon is alive. While it was great to see Jon and Dany get it on, doing so during the reveal felt a bit odd. Granted, I don't think it will matter much, just felt odd.

The scene with Littlefinger may have been the biggest hurrah moment of the season. This was the only logical ending to this storyline and it was pulled off well in the end. My gf cheered when Sansa turned to Littlefinger and that way Arya just sliced his throat in the hall in front of everyone was bad ass. Bran finally pulling through when he seemed to be in a daze that whole time. Also Sam walking in to see Bran was a great scene and Sam with his odd face reactions to Bran were great.

Obviously the ice dragon was the highlight. That ending was bad ass. I always wondered how they would pass, I predicted the wall would come down, but it didn't fully. There was no magic spells, just pure force from the dragons blue fire (was it actually fire?).

While a lot of plot points were obvious and some of the story telling was poorer than previous seasons, there was one plotline that I did enjoy and was not so much expecting. Cersei's pregnancy and her regained alliance with the Iron Bank. I thought the Iron Bank backing Stannis would likely end their role in either the show or siding with the crown, but the whole Euron working with Cersei and paying back the bank seemed like a good storyline and plot point I didn't really expect to be so important.

So is Theon going to the Iron Islands when Euron isn't there? And I'm guessing Tormund and Beric didn't die, but I hate leaving the fate of people like that. Where's Gendry?
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Post by: Logain Ablar on August 28, 2017, 08:55:39 AM: An excelllent finale. I loved the part in the dragon pit scene where The Hound marches right over to The Mountain and says something to the effect of "You're even uglier than I am" :lol

Then he made some other comment like "You know who's coming for ya". At first I thought he was talking about himself, but what if it's not? What if Arya is the one to take down Ser Gregor? He is on her list after all..
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Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 08:59:48 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 07:14:18 AM
So is Theon going to the Iron Islands when Euron isn't there? And I'm guessing Tormund and Beric didn't die, but I hate leaving the fate of people like that. Where's Gendry?

Imagine if winter comes down, kills everyone, and then Theon is the last one standing :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on August 28, 2017, 10:06:54 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on August 28, 2017, 08:55:39 AM
An excelllent finale. I loved the part in the dragon pit scene where The Hound marches right over to The Mountain and says something to the effect of "You're even uglier than I am" :lol

Then he made some other comment like "You know who's coming for ya". At first I thought he was talking about himself, but what if it's not? What if Arya is the one to take down Ser Gregor? He is on her list after all..

I thought The Hound was the one on her list, not Gregor. Or am I mistaken?

Lena Headey had some great acting this episode. 3 scenes in particular: the dragon pit when the wight was loosed and went straight for her, whole lot of fear shown in her face; the dialogue with Tyrion; the dialogue with Jaime. I thought for sure Jaime was going to buy the farm. I love how close to snapping she is. I hope she makes it to the finale/penultimate episode of the series and croaks one way or another. She (the character) is vile, but I love her, but I can't believe she'll live to see spring.

Also god damn is that wight dragon awesome. Is it just me or did Viserion 2.0 seem to fly far faster and more aggressive than before? I was genuinely startled when he came flying out of the clouds because I was looking for a silhouette in the distance and WHAM! here comes this dragon breathing frostfire all over the Wall.
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Post by: lonestar on August 28, 2017, 10:20:38 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on August 28, 2017, 10:06:54 AM

Also god damn is that wight dragon awesome. Is it just me or did Viserion 2.0 seem to fly far faster and more aggressive than before? I was genuinely startled when he came flying out of the clouds because I was looking for a silhouette in the distance and WHAM! here comes this dragon breathing frostfire all over the Wall.

I caught that as well, and at the time just chocked it off to being pumped to see him in action, but yeah, he did seem faster and more agile.
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Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 10:33:03 AM: Quote from: lonestar on August 28, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on August 28, 2017, 10:06:54 AM

Also god damn is that wight dragon awesome. Is it just me or did Viserion 2.0 seem to fly far faster and more aggressive than before? I was genuinely startled when he came flying out of the clouds because I was looking for a silhouette in the distance and WHAM! here comes this dragon breathing frostfire all over the Wall.

I caught that as well, and at the time just chocked it off to being pumped to see him in action, but yeah, he did seem faster and more agile.

The obvious answer is that the winter and cold air being brought forth by the Night King is creating a colder atmosphere. This is allowing the dragon to breathe in a greater mass of air in the same intake volume, resulting in improved muscle efficiency. It's also allowing the dragon's wings to bite into more molecules in the atmosphere, thrusting a greater mass of air behind and beneath it, resulting in an increase in the amount of lift it can generate. The dragon lost a lot of blood when it got speared, and therefore is lighter as a result.
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Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 11:02:55 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 27, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
Holy crap, what an episode!

Worst takeaway is easily the apparent death of Tormund.

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Post by: Zydar on August 28, 2017, 11:20:48 AM: :lol
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Post by: orcus116 on August 28, 2017, 11:35:10 AM: Did Chino just explain the physics behind the breath of an undead dragon?
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Post by: jakepriest on August 28, 2017, 11:35:37 AM: If you wanna talk about physics the dragon shouldn't be able to lift off with all those holes in its wings.
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Post by: lonestar on August 28, 2017, 11:36:17 AM: Quote from: orcus116 on August 28, 2017, 11:35:10 AM
Did Chino just explain the physics behind the breath of an undead dragon?

Yup. I'm quite impressed tbh...

Quote from: jakepriest on August 28, 2017, 11:35:37 AM
If you wanna talk about physics the dragon shouldn't be able to lift off with all those holes in its wings.

Shhh...
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 28, 2017, 11:43:10 AM: Fantastic finale! I was on the edge of my seat through the whole episode.

- I doubt Tormund and Berric are dead, too good of characters to kill off screen.
- I really thought Jamie was a gonner, they even played the evil Cersei music

Also, I think Cersei is pregnant with Euron's baby
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Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 11:48:15 AM: Quote from: jakepriest on August 28, 2017, 11:35:37 AM
If you wanna talk about physics the dragon shouldn't be able to lift off with all those holes in its wings.

I disagree. Plenty of surface area left to generate lift, especially with the denser atmosphere as I described above. Bats have also been known to be able to fly with holes in their wings.

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Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 11:49:44 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on August 28, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
Also, I think Cersei is pregnant with Euron's baby

I'm curious how she and Euron preplanned that whole charade with him announcing/lying he was leaving to the Iron Islands before they even knew what was being shown to her (walker).
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 28, 2017, 11:49:52 AM: They're speed holes. They make the dragon go faster.
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Post by: Adami on August 28, 2017, 11:50:45 AM: The dragon shouldn't be able to fly for too long though, since his body will continue rotting.
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Post by: Chino on August 28, 2017, 12:00:32 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 28, 2017, 11:50:45 AM
The dragon shouldn't be able to fly for too long though, since his body will continue rotting.

Do they actually rot though? Or were rotten undead already well on their way into rotting before the night king raised them? I've been questioning this recently because a lot of the undead army doesn't really look like they are rotting at all. Some have wounds (probably from fighting), but they don't seem to be decaying.

(https://images.rapgenius.com/7a40487eccc527ebda90e9dfc7606498.750x498x1.jpg)
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 28, 2017, 12:01:04 PM: The cold weather should keep him fresh for now.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 12:10:38 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 28, 2017, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 28, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
Also, I think Cersei is pregnant with Euron's baby

I'm curious how she and Euron preplanned that whole charade with him announcing/lying he was leaving to the Iron Islands before they even knew what was being shown to her (walker).

You could tell Jamie was annoyed that Euron and Cersei had a plan that he was not aware of. I do wonder if Euron did impregnate her behind the scenes as well. Also, I'm guessing those to had some plans based on how the conversation with everyone else went. Maybe Euron going off on Theon (seemingly out of no where) was part of setting their actions in motion.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 28, 2017, 12:54:38 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: Chino on August 28, 2017, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: kaos2900 on August 28, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
Also, I think Cersei is pregnant with Euron's baby

I'm curious how she and Euron preplanned that whole charade with him announcing/lying he was leaving to the Iron Islands before they even knew what was being shown to her (walker).

You could tell Jamie was annoyed that Euron and Cersei had a plan that he was not aware of. I do wonder if Euron did impregnate her behind the scenes as well. Also, I'm guessing those to had some plans based on how the conversation with everyone else went. Maybe Euron going off on Theon (seemingly out of no where) was part of setting their actions in motion.

Yeah, I bet Euron and Cersei had a loose plan for him to leave at some point.
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Post by: The Walrus on August 28, 2017, 02:06:02 PM: Could be that they're forever stuck in whatever state of decay they were at the time of reanimation? The one they brought back to King's Landing was very decayed (you could see its guts trail along the ground after it was cut in half - sick/cool!), but the Hardhome residents were brought back right away. Or maybe they just forever decay until they're naught but bone. Who knows. I also noted the holes in Viserion's wings. Don't think something of that weight should be able to get enough lift with that many holes in its wings but whatever. It looks COOL.

Boy the north is in for a hell of a rough time next season. Arya better get on that list of hers.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:08:30 PM: Thought it was a great way to end the season...plenty of cool things happened. And, although I had myself convinced Jaimie was going to kill Cersi at that arena....he still confirmed my suspicions that his sense of honor and his word would be what ultimately drove them apart. Which is what happened after he found out Cersi was lying and deceiving everyone. And, I like the fact that he didn't kill her because now that opens it up for Arya to fulfill her ultimate wish of killing Cersi. I'll be curious to see if Bronn and a few other Lannister soldiers will find out about Jaimie leaving and ultimately deserting to join him?

LOVED Dany's entrance to the meeting. That was pretty friggin' epic!! :metal

As has been mentioned....Little Finger's demise and the manner in which Arya and Sansa 'tricked' him was not a surprise by any means as we all suspected that's what was going on....and all in all....it happened in a pretty neat way with him not having a clue.

Very curious as to when Jon and Dany find out Jon's true lineage.....what they are going to do? Will they embrace it anyway and just keep it all in the family or will they turn on one another? Which leads me to my answer to this:

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on August 28, 2017, 06:28:57 AM
For you hardcore GOT fans: What is the leading fan theory right now as to how the show ends? I don't follow that kind of thing too closely, but am curious to hear about where people think it's all going right now.

I've been convinced for some time that Jon's pension for honor and truth will lead him to sacrifice himself to the Night King to obtain a truce between man and White Walkers or even guarantee the Night Kings death. Maybe even take his spot? Whatever it may be I think he's going to willingly sacrifice his life to save mankind.....leaving Dany and their child to rule the 7 Kingdoms.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:10:18 PM: As for the impending Dragon fight....I don't think Drogon and the other one will have that hard a time defeating the Ice Dragon. They breath fire and fire kills the Wights and the re-animated animals so....I think it may be much about nothing with the Night King having that dragon. It served it's purpose and I suspect it'll have a swift demise if/when it's in battle.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 02:13:47 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:10:18 PM
As for the impending Dragon fight....I don't think Drogon and the other one will have that hard a time defeating the Ice Dragon. They breath fire and fire kills the Wights and the re-animated animals so....I think it may be much about nothing with the Night King having that dragon. It served it's purpose and I suspect it'll have a swift demise if/when it's in battle.

I agree, but I wonder how much more damage it will do before the ice meets fire. Considering how quickly Dany took the dragons from Dragonstone to beyond the wall, one could say the night king can be in Kings Landing in a few hours to lay it to waste and start re-animating the dead created. BUT I don't think the show does that. I guess I can't see the dead all of the sudden having the urgency to go so far south so quick. I'm going to guess they head to Winterfell first, but keeping the dragon close by the army.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:15:29 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:10:18 PM
As for the impending Dragon fight....I don't think Drogon and the other one will have that hard a time defeating the Ice Dragon. They breath fire and fire kills the Wights and the re-animated animals so....I think it may be much about nothing with the Night King having that dragon. It served it's purpose and I suspect it'll have a swift demise if/when it's in battle.

I agree, but I wonder how much more damage it will do before the ice meets fire. Considering how quickly Dany took the dragons from Dragonstone to beyond the wall, one could say the night king can be in Kings Landing in a few hours to lay it to waste and start re-animating the dead created. BUT I don't think the show does that. I guess I can't see the dead all of the sudden having the urgency to go so far south so quick. I'm going to guess they head to Winterfell first, but keeping the dragon close by the army.

I agree. I see them as a 'slow and steady' march just destroying everything in their path. No massive strategic plan....just march and kill....march and kill....
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 28, 2017, 02:37:24 PM: Great finale! Maybe a bit slow and without too many goosebumps until the end, but this episode breathed and the meeting was excellent and realistic.

I bought into Euron fleeing in "Nope" mode, and I even bought into Cersei coming to her senses for once, but then it turned out she's still the same short-sighted bitch she's always been. Love Lena Headey, appreciate the complexity of her character, but I totally hate the imaginary person, I'm only glad she's living 'cause I can het her guts until the last second ;D

Not a fan either of Jon humping his aunt, but I never ever thought he may have even had a different name. Aegon Targaryen!!! :metal

Even if it was not spelled out, we can just assume that Bran was busy watching Westerflix and informed Sansa and Arya of everything, right? I realized moments before it happened that Littlefinger was to be called out, but until those very few seconds before, I was "Meh, Sansa is afraid of Arya, stupid her".

Littlefinger got what he deserved, but I thought his storyline was going nowhere. He was the master manipulator, always doing something, always a "friend" of the crown, then he openly declared for House Startk, and just hung around Winterfeel like a creep. Sure, he was still planning to turn Sansa against Arya, but compared to his carefully planned and executed machinations, that got him to be lord of Harrenhal and then of the Vale, he seemed to be just going nowhere in his ever forward rise to more and more importance.

And of course the ending was just badass, ice dragon laying shit and frozen havoc everywhere :metal I thought the Wall would come down in its entirety, killing everyone at Castle Black - seeing people there die would have marked even more what a disaster it was, but the Night King was more effective, he just tore down a part and the army simply marched through it.

I too think Tormund survived, staying on the safe side of the Wall - Berec was with him and there's no sense to kill off screen a man resurrected six times.

Now, the long night until the final season begins! and oh, a LOL moment - some weeks away I saw a parody metal group, they spoof Manowar, and the singer at a time called Dany "that slut with platinum hair". I laughed when Cersei essentially called her exactly that, talking to the Mountain, "If anything goes wrong, kill the silver haired bitch first" :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:45:41 PM: A small detail that i thought was peculiar was that as the Wight was charging Cersi....neither Jaimie nor The Mountain moved a muscle to step in front of her to stop it from attacking her? Maybe they saw the chain....who knows....but I'd have thought someone would have at least budged in that moment, especially since they were all on high alert and what not most likely suspecting a trap or plan to kill Cersi? But...alas....they just let that thing charge her :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 02:50:12 PM: I thought the same thing... where is the Mountain?? but maybe they saw the chain like you said.

Also loved how The Hound immediately approached the Mountain. Said he knew what was coming for him. Cleganebowl next season?! I think it seems the writers punted a lot of what we thought may happen till next season. So many people were sure we'd get Cleganebowl and it was soo close to happening.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 28, 2017, 02:50:35 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
A small detail that i thought was peculiar was that as the Wight was charging Cersi....neither Jaimie nor The Mountain moved a muscle to step in front of her to stop it from attacking her? Maybe they saw the chain....who knows....but I'd have thought someone would have at least budged in that moment, especially since they were all on high alert and what not most likely suspecting a trap or plan to kill Cersi? But...alas....they just let that thing charge her :lol

Also, they all went down at the arena for the first time, how did the Hound know the precise distance at which the chain would have held back the wight? :lol

I'd like to think however that the pure shock mixed with the speed of the wight froze Jaimie and the Mountain. Hey, even the best goalkeepers stand still when hit by the perfect free kick.
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Post by: lucky7 on August 28, 2017, 03:41:35 PM: Great episode. I thought the writing improved a lot with this episode. Although there were a lot of characters with no lines, this episode was main players only.

I liked the way Littlefinger went down, the look of surprise on his face was brilliant. I am glad Arya got to do it.

Bran with Sam was great, but something that seemed a bit of a shock, he can see the past etc, but Sam had to tell him to look and see the secret wedding.
I would have liked a quick clip of the citadel where Jim Broadbent (can't remember the character name) realized Sam has gone.

I don't know how I feel about Jon and Dany, it was hinted, and Tyrion in the hallway, does he know they are related? Or what other reason was the expression on his face?
He doesn't appear to be in love with Dany.

I liked the Hound's reaction when he spoke of Arya to Brienne, he almost seemed to smile when it was revealed she is still alive. I am looking forward to their reunion.

I hope Theon does get to kill his Uncle, and in the opening episode of next season.

I still feel like Cersei is lying about the pregnancy, who knows....
Jamie finally ridding himself of Cersei was brilliant, but where is he riding to? Shame Bronn was not with him. After all he was his saviour not too long ago.

I am sure Tormund and Beric have survived the wall falling, but where was Gendry? And where is Ghost?

I only watched it a few hours ago, and feel like I need to rewatch that entire season asap.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 04:12:04 PM: Some good questions there Lucky.

Tyrion outside the bedroom was a bit odd. I think that keeps the flame going that Tyrion is secretly working with the Cersei although I don't buy it.

How the heck does Bran know all yet didn't know Jon was legitimate? I guess maybe he only sees what he wants and didn't know to look in that direction? But you'd think he'd follow Rheagar around in his visions since he is so important.

I finally believe that Cersei is pregnant. I was very hesitant but the momeny Tyrion questioned was the moment I became a believer. Him spotting that seems very likely now.

And yea, where is Ghost? How does Jon go anywhere without him.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 04:41:37 PM: I think Tyrions demeanor was that of him now knowing that he's lost Dany's ear so to speak. His advice and counsel will be second tier next to Jons now and he knows it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 05:00:28 PM: Then again he could feel bad for having just cut a deal with his sister? The scene cuts out right after he guesses she's pregnant and that was on the heels of him telling Jon to learn to lie every now and then. Maybe he sold out Dany and Jon and feels bad for it? Who knows.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on August 28, 2017, 06:05:08 PM: So,

If the night king didn't get a dragon (which was pretty much hand delivered to him), would the white walkers have been able to even get past the wall?
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Post by: The Walrus on August 28, 2017, 06:43:30 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 28, 2017, 06:05:08 PM
So,

If the night king didn't get a dragon (which was pretty much hand delivered to him), would the white walkers have been able to even get past the wall?

There's a theory - one I don't buy into quite yet - that deals with the Night King and time travel and that somehow this was destined to happen... I dunno. I feel like eventually they would've found a way. I mean, they literally just have to beat down the doors into the tunnels, or pick through the ice with tools (we know they can use them, re: the chains used to drag up Viserion from the water)... So yeah probably. But who knows... magic! :)
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Post by: Accelerando on August 28, 2017, 07:37:05 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 28, 2017, 12:00:32 PM
Quote from: Adami on August 28, 2017, 11:50:45 AM
The dragon shouldn't be able to fly for too long though, since his body will continue rotting.

Do they actually rot though? Or were rotten undead already well on their way into rotting before the night king raised them? I've been questioning this recently because a lot of the undead army doesn't really look like they are rotting at all. Some have wounds (probably from fighting), but they don't seem to be decaying.

(https://images.rapgenius.com/7a40487eccc527ebda90e9dfc7606498.750x498x1.jpg)

I spy Mastodon band members
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Post by: King Postwhore on August 28, 2017, 07:41:58 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 04:41:37 PM
I think Tyrions demeanor was that of him now knowing that he's lost Dany's ear so to speak. His advice and counsel will be second tier next to Jons now and he knows it.

This for sure.
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Post by: Adami on August 28, 2017, 08:36:53 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
A small detail that i thought was peculiar was that as the Wight was charging Cersi....neither Jaimie nor The Mountain moved a muscle to step in front of her to stop it from attacking her? Maybe they saw the chain....who knows....but I'd have thought someone would have at least budged in that moment, especially since they were all on high alert and what not most likely suspecting a trap or plan to kill Cersi? But...alas....they just let that thing charge her :lol

I just rewatched the scene. It's REALLY subtle, but you can actually see the Mountain go for his sword before the walker is pulled back.
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Post by: Grappler on August 28, 2017, 08:47:47 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 28, 2017, 04:12:04 PM
How the heck does Bran know all yet didn't know Jon was legitimate? I guess maybe he only sees what he wants and didn't know to look in that direction? But you'd think he'd follow Rheagar around in his visions since he is so important.

Bran only sees parts of visions and they don't really make sense to him. The showrunners confirmed this, otherwise Bran being all-knowing would be unstoppable and there's no point in the show anymore. His "downloading" of the 3-Eyed Raven's knowledge was interrupted by the Night King and wights, so he never fully learned how to control his visions.

So Bran can see things, but can't see them in full, or can't understand how to piece them together until he has a little guidance. Then he knows where to look - imagine having to find a needle in a haystack. It's impossible. When Sam gave him that tidbit, Bran was able to zero in on where the needle was in his mind.
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Post by: Adami on August 28, 2017, 09:02:35 PM: I heard it on youtube said best. Bran has the internet, but no google. He has access to all the info, but needs to know to look for it. He doesn't know everything, but he can if he wants to.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 28, 2017, 09:14:24 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 02:10:18 PM
As for the impending Dragon fight....I don't think Drogon and the other one will have that hard a time defeating the Ice Dragon. They breath fire and fire kills the Wights and the re-animated animals so....I think it may be much about nothing with the Night King having that dragon. It served it's purpose and I suspect it'll have a swift demise if/when it's in battle.

Awesome episode and season finale. As far as the upcoming Dragon battle my question is, what will blue/frost fire do to the living dragons? Will it turn them?
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Post by: Progmetty on August 28, 2017, 09:33:32 PM: A couple more thoughts:

1. It's unlikely that Bran is gonna repeat everything he said to Sam, to Jon on camera. I think they're prepping the reveal to Jon off camera and that would suck big time. Like 70% of my emotional investment in this story hung on the excitement on Jon's reaction to hearing about his parentage and what he is. And 30% in Dany's reaction to the same info.

2. So shall we presume that LF did not write Ramsey's letter to Jon? I kinda thought Bran would mention it after telling them about LF's betrayal of Ned Stark.

3. "Robert's Rebellion was based on a lie", who lied though? Who said Lyanna was kidnapped and rapped? Was it Robert to get The North behind him? But the North was already behind him after King Aerys killed Rickard and Brandon Stark.. Was it Ned's lie? That's pretty dishonorable for Ned, considering the destruction and lives the war cost.
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Post by: lucky7 on August 28, 2017, 09:36:04 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 28, 2017, 09:02:35 PM
I heard it on youtube said best. Bran has the internet, but no google. He has access to all the info, but needs to know to look for it. He doesn't know everything, but he can if he wants to.

^^ That is Brilliant!

Quote from: kingshmegland on August 28, 2017, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 04:41:37 PM
I think Tyrions demeanor was that of him now knowing that he's lost Dany's ear so to speak. His advice and counsel will be second tier next to Jons now and he knows it.

This for sure.

Too true, we saw it at the table with the other guy whose name I forget... Shite, sorry memory is cactus at the moment.

Again wondering where Ghost is, but once Jon woke from the dead, has he cooled from Jon ... Jon is no longer the same person he knew by scent etc?!
I am still puzzled by the scene episodes ago with Arya and her wolf, or wasn't it her wolf?!

Quote from: Phoenix87x on August 28, 2017, 06:05:08 PM
So,
If the night king didn't get a dragon (which was pretty much hand delivered to him), would the white walkers have been able to even get past the wall?

If the Dragon had not broken through the wall, their Giants surely could have done it, I thought they only had one, but there were more in that wide shot.
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Post by: Adami on August 28, 2017, 09:40:00 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on August 28, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
3. "Robert's Rebellion was based on a lie", who lied though? Who said Lyanna was kidnapped and rapped? Was it Robert to get The North behind him? But the North was already behind him after King Aerys killed Rickard and Brandon Stark.. Was it Ned's lie? That's pretty dishonorable for Ned, considering the destruction and lives the war cost.

Well, I think lie is just the most colorful word, cause "Robert's rebellion was based on an incorrect assumption based on an emotional reaction" doesn't quite roll off the tongue.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 28, 2017, 10:19:35 PM: Quote from: lucky7 on August 28, 2017, 09:36:04 PM
Again wondering where Ghost is, but once Jon woke from the dead, has he cooled from Jon ...

It's my assumption Ghost is at Winterfell or in the nearby area. That was the last place he was on screen. I don't think he's abandoned Jon....it's just that Jon hasn't been in the North for some time.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 28, 2017, 10:49:48 PM: Quote from: Adami on August 28, 2017, 09:02:35 PM
I heard it on youtube said best. Bran has the internet, but no google. He has access to all the info, but needs to know to look for it. He doesn't know everything, but he can if he wants to.

That's about how I figure it. We have the internet, but we don't know the information within it until we know what we're searching for and then look for it. The amount of information he has access to is mind boggling, plus his training was rushed and he's new to this.
He can see anything, but he doesn't know everything at all times. That also explains why most of what he knows on his own is related to his immediate family, and what the night king is up to. This is the stuff he'd think to see. He wouldn't have thought to find the marriage of Jon's parents till now, because he wasn't even aware it occurred at all.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 29, 2017, 04:22:32 AM: Overall a great season with lots of progress and since the show in previous seasons been moving ridicously slowly at times (not a critique ) with lots of focus on character development season 7 felt like a cho cho train going at full speed ahead but honestly I didn't mind it at all and as many have mentioned not alot of room for character development left anyway.
The only depressing thing is the long wait for S08!
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 29, 2017, 04:42:10 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 28, 2017, 06:22:56 AM
Quote from: lonestar on August 27, 2017, 11:31:43 PM
Very cool episode.... I literally cheered when Sansa turned the tables, like by myself in my room screaming "FUCK YEAH!!!!!!", and Arya's turn to a smile right after was fucking brilliant.

Sansa didn't listen to her dad though. Didn't he say something way back when about the person who gives the sentence should be the one to swing the sword?

Why should she when she has such a skilled assassin at her side?
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Post by: Chino on August 29, 2017, 05:51:22 AM: If the walker army bulldozes Winterfell, I'm hoping we see all the Starks in the crypts risen to fight alongside the Night King.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2017, 05:54:27 AM: Do you want to see ol' headless Ned?
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Post by: Zydar on August 29, 2017, 06:09:28 AM: Flanders?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 29, 2017, 06:17:36 AM: Quote from: Cyclopssss on August 29, 2017, 04:42:10 AM
Quote from: Chino on August 28, 2017, 06:22:56 AM
Quote from: lonestar on August 27, 2017, 11:31:43 PM
Very cool episode.... I literally cheered when Sansa turned the tables, like by myself in my room screaming "FUCK YEAH!!!!!!", and Arya's turn to a smile right after was fucking brilliant.

Sansa didn't listen to her dad though. Didn't he say something way back when about the person who gives the sentence should be the one to swing the sword?

Why should she when she has such a skilled assassin at her side?

Plus, he told that to Robb..... not her. She has no idea he ever said that.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 29, 2017, 06:50:40 AM: The one thing I wish they did differently was to have Sansa make Littlefinger explain his actions. Was he going for the throne or did he just like to create chaos?
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Post by: Chino on August 29, 2017, 07:12:34 AM: The only thing that annoyed me last episode was the fact that he broke down like a little bitch and started crying. I feel like that wasn't his character at all.
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Post by: Grappler on August 29, 2017, 07:21:54 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 29, 2017, 07:12:34 AM
The only thing that annoyed me last episode was the fact that he broke down like a little bitch and started crying. I feel like that wasn't his character at all.

I thought it was perfect and right in line with the character. He's always manipulating and always in the background, but has never been a fighter. When someone finally called him to the carpet for his actions and he ran out of options to get himself out of the situation, he panics and begs.

For book readers, Aiden Gillan also said it's a callback to when the character was younger and was humiliated in a duel in front of Catelyn by Brandon Stark - he goes back to that kind of a reaction. Littlefinger isn't a fighter and doesn't have much courage, he's just a liar and when words fail him, he has nothing left in his arsenal.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2017, 07:23:12 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 29, 2017, 07:12:34 AM
The only thing that annoyed me last episode was the fact that he broke down like a little bitch and started crying. I feel like that wasn't his character at all.

I think it was, despite not usually acting like that. It's just that he's never been caught out like that and so thoroughly fucked. He's always so careful and conniving, and crying was probably his last ditch effort to appeal to Sansa's compassion, because he was desperate. Bran had told them everything, there was no way to cover it up, and Arya was just waiting to slit his throat. What else was left to try? :lol
I think it helped highlight how screwed he was, because he's never had to resort to it, but it fits with him being a little bitch who manipulates behind people's backs, rather than ever confronting it face to face.
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Post by: The Walrus on August 29, 2017, 07:52:20 AM: The comment about ol' headless Ned has me thinking: Jon said the wights can be destroyed with dragonglass and fire. Was there ever anything about simply chopping off their heads? Would that kill a wight? And if so, in the hypothetical case that some Starks were to be reanimated by the Night King, would Ned even be able to be reanimated? Asking the important questions here. For science. For your health.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2017, 07:56:42 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on August 29, 2017, 07:52:20 AM
The comment about ol' headless Ned has me thinking: Jon said the wights can be destroyed with dragonglass and fire. Was there ever anything about simply chopping off their heads? Would that kill a wight? And if so, in the hypothetical case that some Starks were to be reanimated by the Night King, would Ned even be able to be reanimated? Asking the important questions here. For science. For your health.

In this episode, we saw its limbs still moving independently after being cut off, so I don't see why we couldn't have a headless body, or a head on its own. I don't know how much use a headless body would be without eye sight, but I'm sure it would still put up a hell of a fight trying. :lol
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Post by: Logain Ablar on August 29, 2017, 08:06:34 AM: If headless Ned does get to come back, Sean Bean could get to be killed twice in the same show. I'm sure that's a record, even for him.. :biggrin:
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 29, 2017, 08:13:54 AM: Quote from: Chino on August 29, 2017, 07:12:34 AM
The only thing that annoyed me last episode was the fact that he broke down like a little bitch and started crying. I feel like that wasn't his character at all.

I think it was. Hearing the stories of him when he was younger it's clear he couldn't fight and was pretty much a weakling in that respect.....I'd imagine he broke down and cried quite a bit. I think him doing that in the end....staring death in the eyes and crying like 'a little bitch' was fitting and spot on. Especially in contrast to Ned and other characters who in similar situations 'took it like a man'. Little Finger WAS a little bitch.....and him crying like that was perfect.

***edit**** just read Grapplers post.....basically same point.....
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Post by: The Walrus on August 29, 2017, 08:24:02 AM: Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2017, 07:56:42 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on August 29, 2017, 07:52:20 AM
The comment about ol' headless Ned has me thinking: Jon said the wights can be destroyed with dragonglass and fire. Was there ever anything about simply chopping off their heads? Would that kill a wight? And if so, in the hypothetical case that some Starks were to be reanimated by the Night King, would Ned even be able to be reanimated? Asking the important questions here. For science. For your health.

In this episode, we saw its limbs still moving independently after being cut off, so I don't see why we couldn't have a headless body, or a head on its own. I don't know how much use a headless body would be without eye sight, but I'm sure it would still put up a hell of a fight trying. :lol

In the Walking Dead/various zombie media, don't you kill zombies by cutting off their heads or braining them with a shotgun or something? It would be hilarious to see those screaming headless torsos running amok. That's a good band name... wait...
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Post by: lonestar on August 29, 2017, 10:08:31 AM: So, concerning the dead, does the dragonglass just have to touch them? It seems there's always that shattering sound when it hits and they just die, or with the walkers they literally shatter.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 29, 2017, 11:22:03 AM: I agree with those who bought into Littlefinger's desperate begging, the man was at his best always as an unseen shadow and he got his ass kicked the one time he tried to actually fight for Cat's hand, so it's only logical that when exposed with no way out he shows no dignity.

I was reading comments here and there on the web, and someone said how in the books his plan is to probably wait out the impending showdown between a still alive Stannis and the Boltons, with Sansa safely at the Eyrie. His plan is probably to install Sansa as Lady of Winterfell once the Boltons are rooted out, and continuing to rule the Vale AND having a close ally at hand in the North.

Makes sense, given his ever upward quest to attain power, that's why I lamented in one of my comments earlier how his storyline seemed to go nowhere, with no clear grand plan in sight rather than making Sansa and Arya fight.

And anyway - someone REALLY needed to tell the dude that saying "I loved your mother, then I loved you" is very creepy, and that really DOESN'T help his situation. How many times he was insulted or almost beaten because of it, and still he continues to say it? :lol
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Post by: BlackInk on August 30, 2017, 05:41:01 AM: Ned wouldn't really be able to come back I think. It's not like there's a body and a head, all that's left are bones. Not even a skeleton, just "bones" in a box.
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Post by: Podaar on August 31, 2017, 08:58:12 AM: I love the show (and the books) and thoroughly enjoy the spectacle, acting and characters. I wouldn't miss it for the world.

Still, unless I'm missing something, the plot is a complete house of cards. It's hard to recall all the circumstances that had to line up perfectly for the army of the dead to even have a chance at all. We are lead to believe, through the story, that there is no way that the white walkers, undead and Night King can pass the wall if it is intact. Once Jon allowed the wildlings through the wall, all anyone needed to do was gather supplies and wait out the winter. The Knight King can beat his head against it all he wants.

What he really needs is an undead dragon to create enough fire to attack the wall itself. At the beginning of the story dragons are extinct, so he's basically fucked. Yet, Dany receives dragon eggs for a wedding present...

Are we supposed to assume that the Night King has the foresight to see the mindbogglingly long chain of events that culminated in Tyrion (who has now become the biggest dumbass in the show. Sad) suggesting they go trap a wight to present to his sister? So, now all the Night King has to do is threaten the trapping party long enough that the owner of the dragons feels the need to come to the rescue? No wonder "the Others" had faded into myth. The circumstances required get past Brandon the Builder's wall is so small as to be nearly non-existent. Yet, our heroes unwittingly built the chain and rushed right into their own destruction like lemmings going over the cliff.

Mind you, I'm not really complaining. It's interesting to think about. Hopefully, when everything is said and done, we'll find out that the Night King was manipulating events (somehow) to bring it all together.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 31, 2017, 10:14:18 AM: I'm just curious as to what they actually want. It feels a bit not like George RR Martin to have them just be pure evil without reason. That might help to explain some of their actions. Everyone has been freaking out over them getting south of the wall, but maybe it wasn't even their intention to begin with.

I don't know though, just word pooping here.
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Post by: Podaar on August 31, 2017, 10:28:45 AM: I may be mistaken, but aren't the white walkers a creation of the children of the forest that got away from them? They were supposed to drive out (wipe out) the first men but they ended up killing everything in their path. Eventually, the children of the forest had to side with the men to drive the white walkers north and pin them behind the wall.

At least, that was my understanding.
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Post by: ariich on August 31, 2017, 10:30:28 AM: Quote from: BlackInk on August 31, 2017, 10:14:18 AM
I'm just curious as to what they actually want. It feels a bit not like George RR Martin to have them just be pure evil without reason. That might help to explain some of their actions. Everyone has been freaking out over them getting south of the wall, but maybe it wasn't even their intention to begin with.

I don't know though, just word pooping here.
Yeah, exactly. Hence all the theories about Bran being the Night King or about the ending involving Jon brokering a peace with the Others/White Walkers. There have definitely been some moments of suspect writing this season, but some of the big questions and possible inconsistencies we can't judge until we reach the end of the show.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2017, 10:38:08 AM: With the recent information about being able to kill groups of undead by killing the white walker who turned them, I doubt peace is the conclusion they're building to.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 11:11:52 AM: I think the peace idea is more stemmed from the books where there is more lore to the white walkers and in that lore, they have personality. In the show, they are speechless zombies, I don't think there is any negotiation tactic in the show.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 31, 2017, 12:36:45 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 11:11:52 AM
I think the peace idea is more stemmed from the books where there is more lore to the white walkers and in that lore, they have personality. In the show, they are speechless zombies, I don't think there is any negotiation tactic in the show.

Yeah, I'm afraid that the show may go for a simpler route, even though if GRR Martin told the authors the ending, and supposedly they have to stick to the original plan. They may do like the Harry Potter movies, they were all faithful to the books and then they kinda screwed up the very end, with Voldermort's demise.

I like the idea that the Wall is meant to keep the HUMANS at bay, not the White Walkers. That there was a pact "Ok, this is our reign, you do not cross this line" and men crossed it and now they pissed them off.
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Post by: Grappler on August 31, 2017, 12:38:37 PM: Quote from: Podaar on August 31, 2017, 08:58:12 AM
Still, unless I'm missing something, the plot is a complete house of cards. It's hard to recall all the circumstances that had to line up perfectly for the army of the dead to even have a chance at all. We are lead to believe, through the story, that there is no way that the white walkers, undead and Night King can pass the wall if it is intact. Once Jon allowed the wildlings through the wall, all anyone needed to do was gather supplies and wait out the winter. The Knight King can beat his head against it all he wants.

In season 5, they almost got through the wall by using a giant to attack the gates/tunnel through the wall. The Night's Watch barely had enough men to hold them off, lost a great percentage of them, and it took Stannis' army to finish the job. The Night's Watch has been campaigning for more men for the entire series - it's pretty easy to figure out that the Night King and his army would eventually overrun the wall. That's why Jon is trying to get everyone on the same page. He led the Night's Watch, he knows how great the enemy's army is. He knows that they will eventually breach the wall. It's just an obstacle, but there are existing ways through it.

The thing with the dragon was the spectacle of melting the wall down, the drama of watching it crumble and allowing the army to march through en masse, rather than filter through a tunnel. I don't think it was perfect chain of events that led to them getting through the wall. and the Night King just took advantage of the fact that there were a few dragons around to kill one of them for his own use. I don't believe in this foresight thing. He can see Bran when Bran is warging and vice versa. Not when Bran is just sitting around with no dial up connection established.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 31, 2017, 12:44:28 PM: Speaking about the ice dragon, why Jon didn't fear he may have been resurrected? he saw first hand the power of the Night King at Hardhome, and they fought a zombie bear on the way to the lake. Why didn't he go "Oh shit" when the dragon died? too horrible to even contemplate as an option? he tought a dragon too "difficult" to resurrect? he thought it just drowned with no way to get it back? (but then again, no physical contact needed, see Hardhome)
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Post by: Chino on August 31, 2017, 12:46:41 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 31, 2017, 12:44:28 PM
Speaking about the ice dragon, why Jon didn't fear he may have been resurrected? he saw first hand the power of the Night King at Hardhome, and they fought a zombie bear on the way to the lake. Why didn't he go "Oh shit" when the dragon died? too horrible to even contemplate as an option? he tought a dragon too "difficult" to resurrect? he thought it just drowned with no way to get it back? (but then again, no physical contact needed, see Hardhome)

When Euron asked if the walkers could swim, who was he talking to? I don't remember if it was Jon or not, but whoever it was said "no". Jon may have just assumed that there was no way the walkers were getting to the dragon at the bottom of the lake.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 12:48:39 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 31, 2017, 12:44:28 PM
Speaking about the ice dragon, why Jon didn't fear he may have been resurrected? he saw first hand the power of the Night King at Hardhome, and they fought a zombie bear on the way to the lake. Why didn't he go "Oh shit" when the dragon died? too horrible to even contemplate as an option? he tought a dragon too "difficult" to resurrect? he thought it just drowned with no way to get it back? (but then again, no physical contact needed, see Hardhome)

There was some speculation that the Night King touched the dragon and therefore it may be more like a white walker dragon and not like a wight dragon. And I guess since it went into the water, it was believed he wouldn't get resurrected. But raising the dead, in Hardhome they were already raised once before, maybe it's a bit different in that case. I'm not really sure, it all could have just been a ploy by the night king as well, make them thing they killed all these wights just to show off his power in the end when he raises them again. Not really sure, just some thoughts on it.

As for the wall, I always thought there was some magic to it as well as just being a big wall. Maybe the ice dragon broke that magic as well, I'm not sure we are going to get answers on that from the show.
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Post by: Chino on August 31, 2017, 01:10:16 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 12:48:39 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on August 31, 2017, 12:44:28 PM
Speaking about the ice dragon, why Jon didn't fear he may have been resurrected? he saw first hand the power of the Night King at Hardhome, and they fought a zombie bear on the way to the lake. Why didn't he go "Oh shit" when the dragon died? too horrible to even contemplate as an option? he tought a dragon too "difficult" to resurrect? he thought it just drowned with no way to get it back? (but then again, no physical contact needed, see Hardhome)

There was some speculation that the Night King touched the dragon and therefore it may be more like a white walker dragon and not like a wight dragon. And I guess since it went into the water, it was believed he wouldn't get resurrected. But raising the dead, in Hardhome they were already raised once before, maybe it's a bit different in that case. I'm not really sure, it all could have just been a ploy by the night king as well, make them thing they killed all these wights just to show off his power in the end when he raises them again. Not really sure, just some thoughts on it.

As for the wall, I always thought there was some magic to it as well as just being a big wall. Maybe the ice dragon broke that magic as well, I'm not sure we are going to get answers on that from the show.

I can't recall them ever mentioning magic in the show. The only people that ever seem to bring magic up are those who read the books first.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 01:14:17 PM: I believe the children of the forest said there was something with their cave (maybe they didn't use the word magic to describe it) to prevent the wights from entering. And we even saw one or two explode when trying to run in. They mention this was broke when the Night King touched Bran. People like myself assumed that also meant they could pass the wall once Bran passed it, but the show never really brought that back up.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 31, 2017, 01:27:19 PM: And we thought that little Bran disobeying his mother about not climbing anymore started the whole chain of events of the series... at this rate, he'll probably have started the entire continent of Westeros all of his own :lol
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Post by: Chino on August 31, 2017, 01:27:53 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 01:14:17 PM
I believe the children of the forest said there was something with their cave (maybe they didn't use the word magic to describe it) to prevent the wights from entering. And we even saw one or two explode when trying to run in. They mention this was broke when the Night King touched Bran. People like myself assumed that also meant they could pass the wall once Bran passed it, but the show never really brought that back up.

I wonder if that's one of those things where the show slightly changed something from the book but kept it in spirit. Like in The Walking Dead [SPOILER], Rick gets his hand chopped off in the comics, but in the show, Merle is the one to lose it. Same thing with who took an arrow through the back of the head. Maybe in the show they had magic protect the cave rather than the wall.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 01:42:44 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 31, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 01:14:17 PM
I believe the children of the forest said there was something with their cave (maybe they didn't use the word magic to describe it) to prevent the wights from entering. And we even saw one or two explode when trying to run in. They mention this was broke when the Night King touched Bran. People like myself assumed that also meant they could pass the wall once Bran passed it, but the show never really brought that back up.

I wonder if that's one of those things where the show slightly changed something from the book but kept it in spirit. Like in The Walking Dead [SPOILER], Rick gets his hand chopped off in the comics, but in the show, Merle is the one to lose it. Same thing with who took an arrow through the back of the head. Maybe in the show they had magic protect the cave rather than the wall.

Maybe, they have definitely done things like that in the earlier seasons of the show. But I believe Benjen mentioned he can't cross the wall, which one would assume had to do with the same sort of magic. But they really didn't come back to this. Maybe they put all these things in the show so they could come back to it if needed and opted not to and just by having a dragon destroy the wall, they can avoid dealing with other nuances that were hinted in the show and books. I have a hard time believing most of what happened this season will be in the books, assuming there are more books to come.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 31, 2017, 02:18:36 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 01:42:44 PM
Maybe they put all these things in the show so they could come back to it if needed and opted not to and just by having a dragon destroy the wall, they can avoid dealing with other nuances that were hinted in the show and books. I have a hard time believing most of what happened this season will be in the books, assuming there are more books to come.

I've read an article about the authors claiming they had known for years how the wall would come down, so unless they're revisioning history since they're the only two knowing it all anyway, this was a long time coming.

And about the books... we'll definitively get The Winds of Winter, if not next year, in 2019. The next one.... I wouldn't really bet on it.
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Post by: Podaar on August 31, 2017, 03:54:35 PM: Quote from: Grappler on August 31, 2017, 12:38:37 PM
In season 5, they almost got through the wall by using a giant to attack the gates/tunnel through the wall. The Night's Watch barely had enough men to hold them off, lost a great percentage of them, and it took Stannis' army to finish the job. The Night's Watch has been campaigning for more men for the entire series - it's pretty easy to figure out that the Night King and his army would eventually overrun the wall. That's why Jon is trying to get everyone on the same page. He led the Night's Watch, he knows how great the enemy's army is. He knows that they will eventually breach the wall. It's just an obstacle, but there are existing ways through it.

Those were living creatures though, a wildling army, not The Others or their Wights.

Quote from: cramx3 on August 31, 2017, 01:42:44 PM
But I believe Benjen mentioned he can't cross the wall, which one would assume had to do with the same sort of magic.

I'm more than a little sure that Benjen specifically said there were spells in the ice that he wouldn't be able to cross.

Quote from: MirrorMask on August 31, 2017, 01:27:19 PM
And we thought that little Bran disobeying his mother about not climbing anymore started the whole chain of events of the series... at this rate, he'll probably have started the entire continent of Westeros all of his own :lol

I know, right? :biggrin:
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Post by: BlackInk on September 01, 2017, 12:03:41 AM: Yes, Benjen specifically says that there are "spells carved into it's foundations" and that as long as the wall stands, the "dead can't pass". I just assumed that when the wall fell, the spells were broken. Which also means that they couldn't have overrun one of the tunnels at the castles, unless of course Bran returning to the Seven Kingdoms with the Night King's mark on him allows him to enter.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 01, 2017, 12:58:41 AM: This is some epic stuff:

Jon Snow - The Targaryen Wolf (https://youtu.be/uuDu43Gnyts)
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Post by: ReaperKK on September 01, 2017, 05:00:01 AM: I think I'm going to start rewatching the show since I have a few slow months ahead of me.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 01, 2017, 11:46:55 AM: Quote from: ReaperKK on September 01, 2017, 05:00:01 AM
I think I'm going to start rewatching the show since I have a few slow months ahead of me.

same here. Especially given the amount of time we have now until the last season....I may evaluate a realistic re-watch schedule that would lead me right into the start of the final season.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 01, 2017, 12:38:09 PM: I want too to rewatch the series with the proper insight, but I have so much new stuff to watch that I consider unlikely to find some proper time to sit down through everything again. But it would be quite a rewarding experience to watch it to appreciate more the story and all the nuances, and be prepared for the shocking deahs (speaking of that, I don't think I want to watch the Red Wedding or Oberyn's death ever again. I watched on YouTube the fight between the Viper and the Mountain but I always stop before Gregor Clegane tackles him to the ground)

(Speaking of this now... I remember vividly in the battle there was a scene where Oberyn was grounded like that and simply rolled away quickly, couldn't he just do it again? yeah, I know, the surprise, he was caught off guard, but DAMN :D )
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Post by: lonestar on September 01, 2017, 05:54:58 PM: Already in the thick of it myself, somewhere around S4E9, picking up a lot of the little things now that I'm not racing just to keep up with the myriad storylines.
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Post by: ReaperKK on September 01, 2017, 07:21:54 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on September 01, 2017, 12:38:09 PM
I want too to rewatch the series with the proper insight, but I have so much new stuff to watch that I consider unlikely to find some proper time to sit down through everything again. But it would be quite a rewarding experience to watch it to appreciate more the story and all the nuances, and be prepared for the shocking deahs (speaking of that, I don't think I want to watch the Red Wedding or Oberyn's death ever again. I watched on YouTube the fight between the Viper and the Mountain but I always stop before Gregor Clegane tackles him to the ground)

(Speaking of this now... I remember vividly in the battle there was a scene where Oberyn was grounded like that and simply rolled away quickly, couldn't he just do it again? yeah, I know, the surprise, he was caught off guard, but DAMN :D )

This is why I want to rewatch it. I didn't get into GoT until season 4 was airing, I binged seasons 1,2, and 3 and I felt at the time so much was being thrown at me. Now that I'm really familiar with the show I want to go back.
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Post by: lonestar on September 01, 2017, 09:32:05 PM: Quote from: ReaperKK on September 01, 2017, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on September 01, 2017, 12:38:09 PM
I want too to rewatch the series with the proper insight, but I have so much new stuff to watch that I consider unlikely to find some proper time to sit down through everything again. But it would be quite a rewarding experience to watch it to appreciate more the story and all the nuances, and be prepared for the shocking deahs (speaking of that, I don't think I want to watch the Red Wedding or Oberyn's death ever again. I watched on YouTube the fight between the Viper and the Mountain but I always stop before Gregor Clegane tackles him to the ground)

(Speaking of this now... I remember vividly in the battle there was a scene where Oberyn was grounded like that and simply rolled away quickly, couldn't he just do it again? yeah, I know, the surprise, he was caught off guard, but DAMN :D )

This is why I want to rewatch it. I didn't get into GoT until season 4 was airing, I binged seasons 1,2, and 3 and I felt at the time so much was being thrown at me. Now that I'm really familiar with the show I want to go back.

Totally. I binged 1-6 in two months and I could barely keep names straight.
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Post by: The Walrus on September 02, 2017, 07:55:14 AM: I binged the first 4 in a couple weeks. It was hard as hell keeping track of characters. Honestly, I don't think I even had a feel for who was who until around season 4. When I restarted the series after season 6, I damn near forgot who the hell Robb Stark was. :facepalm: :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 03, 2017, 08:40:48 AM: Read an interesting article just now on something that now seems pretty likely.....that the Hound could have been reading the flames when he was young and told older bro the Mountain something he didn't like to hear about it and that's why the Mountain shoved his head into the fire?

And when he told him that he knew what was coming for him it was what the Hound told him all those years ago. The theory I read was that the 'what' is Arya....and that's what compelled the Hound to protect her all that time.
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Post by: Logain Ablar on September 03, 2017, 10:29:33 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on September 03, 2017, 08:40:48 AM
Read an interesting article just now on something that now seems pretty likely.....that the Hound could have been reading the flames when he was young and told older bro the Mountain something he didn't like to hear about it and that's why the Mountain shoved his head into the fire?

And when he told him that he knew what was coming for him it was what the Hound told him all those years ago. The theory I read was that the 'what' is Arya....and that's what compelled the Hound to protect her all that time.

The part about Arya being the one to come for him is a thought I had too after the finale. I possibly mentioned it here - not sure. I think we were all thinking it would be a Clegane Bros showdown, but now I'm not so sure.

The only thing that goes against the notion of The Hound reading the flames at a younger age is that he seemed to be totally sceptical and dismissive of anything spiritual until very recently, when he was pretty much saved by the Brotherhood. Now he seems a bit more open to that sort of thing.
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Post by: lonestar on September 03, 2017, 08:57:21 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on September 03, 2017, 08:40:48 AM
Read an interesting article just now on something that now seems pretty likely.....that the Hound could have been reading the flames when he was young and told older bro the Mountain something he didn't like to hear about it and that's why the Mountain shoved his head into the fire?

And when he told him that he knew what was coming for him it was what the Hound told him all those years ago. The theory I read was that the 'what' is Arya....and that's what compelled the Hound to protect her all that time.

You got a link? I'd love to read that and pass it on to my kid.
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Post by: Progmetty on September 03, 2017, 11:37:55 PM: This (https://youtu.be/u5uAy8oSsDU) is amazing.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 04, 2017, 09:11:09 AM: Quote from: lonestar on September 03, 2017, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on September 03, 2017, 08:40:48 AM
Read an interesting article just now on something that now seems pretty likely.....that the Hound could have been reading the flames when he was young and told older bro the Mountain something he didn't like to hear about it and that's why the Mountain shoved his head into the fire?

And when he told him that he knew what was coming for him it was what the Hound told him all those years ago. The theory I read was that the 'what' is Arya....and that's what compelled the Hound to protect her all that time.

You got a link? I'd love to read that and pass it on to my kid.

Here's one link to an article suggesting the Hound saw the Mountains Death in the flames as a kid and that's why the Mountain shoved his face in it. The original article I referenced was actually a video with words overlaying the video talking about the same thing then adding they suspected the Hound saw Arya killing him and that's why he was so protective of her. And for the life of me I can't find it again. I thought I saw it on Yahoo News but it isn't anywhere to be found.

https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1698760/this-game-of-thrones-theory-about-the-hound-makes-a-clegane-face-off-way-more-likely-in-season-8
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Post by: lonestar on September 04, 2017, 10:05:29 AM: Cool, thanks man.
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Post by: lonestar on September 04, 2017, 10:14:02 PM: So in my series re-watch, I just went through The Door episode again. First off, still fucking hurts. Secondly, how fucked up would it be if Hodor came with the army of the dead and they had to kill him again?
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Post by: Grappler on September 05, 2017, 07:18:07 AM: Quote from: lonestar on September 04, 2017, 10:14:02 PM
So in my series re-watch, I just went through The Door episode again. First off, still fucking hurts.

That's really the only death that made me tear up while watching it. As a father, seeing the Red Wedding was awful and so was Stannis' decision about Shireen, but Hodor being torn apart while watching his younger self experience it in his mind was so incredibly sad.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 06, 2017, 10:15:50 AM: So now that the sansa story played out, why exactly was brianne sent away again? She didn't do anything in kings landing, and now we know they were planning on offing little finger, instead of each other so i really don't get it.
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Post by: Grappler on September 06, 2017, 10:19:57 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on September 06, 2017, 10:15:50 AM
So now that the sansa story played out, why exactly was brianne sent away again? She didn't do anything in kings landing, and now we know they were planning on offing little finger, instead of each other so i really don't get it.

Sansa sent her as her emissary to the big meeting in Kings Landing. She was likely to attend and report back, since Sansa is acting Lady of Winterfell and needed to stay and govern in Jon's absence, since "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell." She also showed no interest in being near Cersei again after her captivity in earlier seasons.

Also, by sending Brienne, you now have the ability to let her interact with The Hound and Jamie, providing two small reunions. Brienne was able to pull Jamie aside for a second and urge him to get Cersei to listen to reason. I'd like to think that seeing her again gave Jamie another little kick in the butt to leave Cersei behind.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 06, 2017, 11:18:32 AM: Quote from: Grappler on September 06, 2017, 10:19:57 AM
I'd like to think that seeing her again gave Jamie another little kick in the butt to leave Cersei behind.

They also made it clear to the viewer that Cersei saw that encounter. I wonder if that puts her on Cersei's shit list.
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Post by: Chino on September 06, 2017, 11:33:39 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on September 06, 2017, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: Grappler on September 06, 2017, 10:19:57 AM
I'd like to think that seeing her again gave Jamie another little kick in the butt to leave Cersei behind.

They also made it clear to the viewer that Cersei saw that encounter. I wonder if that puts her on Cersei's shit list.

Cersei orders The Mountain to kill her and The Hound stops him?
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Post by: The Walrus on September 06, 2017, 11:53:43 AM: *Peter Griffin voice*

That would be awesome.
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Post by: masterthes on September 07, 2017, 04:25:46 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on September 06, 2017, 10:15:50 AM
So now that the sansa story played out, why exactly was brianne sent away again? She didn't do anything in kings landing, and now we know they were planning on offing little finger, instead of each other so i really don't get it.
she probably still was under Littlefinger's manipulation at that point
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Post by: faizoff on September 26, 2017, 04:11:19 PM: Sapochnik and David Nutter back for directing the final six episodes of GOT.
D&D to most likely direct the series finale.

This is going to be amazing.

https://ew.com/tv/2017/09/26/game-thrones-season-8-directors/
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 27, 2017, 01:22:23 AM: And in other news, Jon Snow and Ygritte got married! ;D ...well, their real life counterparts, of course, since both of them died in the show and only one was brought back to life.

It's nice however that the directors are lined up, hopefully shooting will begin soon and we won't have to wait that much for the end.
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Post by: faizoff on September 27, 2017, 04:04:21 AM: Shooting begins sometime next month, there's no indication from HBO however if the show will be broadcast next year. I imagine there's going to be a ton of more SFX shots which will take time so in all likelihood it might be 2019 when the show returns.
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Post by: Chino on September 27, 2017, 05:57:31 AM: Quote from: faizoff on September 27, 2017, 04:04:21 AM
Shooting begins sometime next month, there's no indication from HBO however if the show will be broadcast next year. I imagine there's going to be a ton of more SFX shots which will take time so in all likelihood it might be 2019 when the show returns.

Even if they could do it in a year, my guess is that they are in no rush to get it out before 2019. HBO needs a new flagship show once this ends and I think they're banking a lot on Westworld (season 2 comes out in 2018). They don't want either show to steal a second of spotlight from the other.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 27, 2017, 06:14:46 AM: I was thinking too about Westworld. It's likely meant to be GoT's "successor" in a sense.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 27, 2017, 06:47:12 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on September 27, 2017, 06:14:46 AM
I was thinking too about Westworld. It's likely meant to be GoT's "successor" in a sense.

That was my impression. It would bridge the gap between the end of GOT and the prequel series of GoT they are currently developing. You can probably get four or five seasons out of Westworld. At minimum three.
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Post by: Chino on September 27, 2017, 06:55:03 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on September 27, 2017, 06:47:12 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on September 27, 2017, 06:14:46 AM
I was thinking too about Westworld. It's likely meant to be GoT's "successor" in a sense.

That was my impression. It would bridge the gap between the end of GOT and the prequel series of GoT they are currently developing. You can probably get four or five seasons out of Westworld. At minimum three.

The beauty with Westworld is they could make as many parks as they want and keep introducing new characters and intertwining existing stories.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 27, 2017, 08:16:12 AM: Quote from: Chino on September 27, 2017, 06:55:03 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on September 27, 2017, 06:47:12 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on September 27, 2017, 06:14:46 AM
I was thinking too about Westworld. It's likely meant to be GoT's "successor" in a sense.

That was my impression. It would bridge the gap between the end of GOT and the prequel series of GoT they are currently developing. You can probably get four or five seasons out of Westworld. At minimum three.

The beauty with Westworld is they could make as many parks as they want and keep introducing new characters and intertwining existing stories.

Exactly. Plus, if one of the popular theories proves to be true.....that 'Westworld' and the other parks are actually on a different planet.....that opens a whole new facet and aspect to explore.

I'm hoping they have good success at writing this show and continue to make it interesting.
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Post by: The Walrus on September 27, 2017, 08:23:11 AM: I nearly squealed with delight when I saw Sapochnik returning for season 8. He made season 6's last episodes nailbiters from start to finish. That guy is good!

I'm totally fine with Westworld picking up the slack after GoT is done but I still don't want to wait all the way until 2019 for GoT. Yeah, it would be worth it, but 2018 would go so slowly...
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 27, 2017, 08:31:44 AM: I don't think there's any getting around season 8 of GoT not happening until 2019. Between the (what I'm assuming massive) battle scenes and large amounts of CGI given the White Walkers and Dragons being very Prominent....I don't see how it gets completed and prepped for delivery in 2018.

I'd rather see them take their time and give us (6) two hour episodes to close out the series.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 27, 2017, 09:21:55 AM: As much as a long wait sucks, fans of the series/books are used to it. At least we know it will happen and I have faith it will be worth the wait, plus the directors being brought back is a great start.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 27, 2017, 09:30:54 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on September 27, 2017, 09:21:55 AM
As much as a long wait sucks, fans of the series/books are used to it. At least we know it will happen and I have faith it will be worth the wait, plus the directors being brought back is a great start.

yeah. I can't imagine HBO and all involved are going to rush this just to get it out. I think....for as good as season 7 was.....they realized from some of the feedback that it felt rushed in parts and they'll learn from that.....and concentrate on telling the story in the best way possible and not just try to get the fans something as soon as they can.
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Post by: faizoff on September 27, 2017, 10:11:26 AM: I'd like all six episodes to be 2 hours long as well but I don't think it will happen. At most I could see the series finale being the longest episode of the series but I'd wager it would be more like 100 mins or thereabouts.
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Post by: faizoff on September 27, 2017, 09:01:03 PM: Season 8 budget to be about $15 million per episode. I can only imagine all the crazy CGI that's going to be there. The wait is going to be really excruciating.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/09/game-of-thrones-how-much-does-the-final-season-8-cost-per-episode-15-million
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Post by: The Walrus on September 29, 2017, 08:54:48 AM: Holy crap, that's a massive budget. This is gonna be good.
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Post by: Chino on September 29, 2017, 09:11:30 AM: Quote from: faizoff on September 27, 2017, 09:01:03 PM
Season 8 budget to be about $15 million per episode. I can only imagine all the crazy CGI that's going to be there. The wait is going to be really excruciating.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/09/game-of-thrones-how-much-does-the-final-season-8-cost-per-episode-15-million

Is that much money though for a CGI budget? That's $90M for the season. Even if all 6 episodes were 1.5 hours long, that's 9 hours of runtime. 90 minute feature length films have had budgets way in excess of that. The first transformers was something like $150M because it was so CGI heavy. $90M for 8-10 hours of CGI heavy episodes doesn't seem like a lot.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2017, 09:32:48 AM: It's a lot of money for a TV show that's for sure. Probably going to be #1 all time at 15 million per episode. Hard to compare to a big time movie budget though.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/most-expensive-tv-shows-ever.html/?a=viewall (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/most-expensive-tv-shows-ever.html/?a=viewall)

Don't know how accurate that is, but it would be #1 compared to that.

But you need to remember the budget isn't all CGI. Got to pay all those actors with increasing rates as the seasons go on, plus filming on so many different locations (although since most characters are in the same spots now, maybe not so much). But I think it's safe to say a lot of that budget is going to end up in CGI.
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Post by: Chino on September 29, 2017, 09:51:50 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on September 29, 2017, 09:32:48 AM
It's a lot of money for a TV show that's for sure. Probably going to be #1 all time at 15 million per episode. Hard to compare to a big time movie budget though.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/most-expensive-tv-shows-ever.html/?a=viewall (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/most-expensive-tv-shows-ever.html/?a=viewall)

Don't know how accurate that is, but it would be #1 compared to that.

But you need to remember the budget isn't all CGI. Got to pay all those actors with increasing rates as the seasons go on, plus filming on so many different locations (although since most characters are in the same spots now, maybe not so much). But I think it's safe to say a lot of that budget is going to end up in CGI.

That list forgot about Terra Nova (one season)

After eventually landing at Fox, the production has snowballed. The series overall has cost the network a staggering $70 million (£45 million) to produce, with the pilot episode alone coming in at in excess of $20 million (£13 million).

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2011-10-03/terra-nova-and-the-most-expensive-tv-ever-made/
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Post by: The Walrus on September 29, 2017, 10:30:59 AM: I'm curious just how much money goes into the dragons alone. They looked absolutely spectacular in season 7. The only other dragon I've ever seen that comes close to looking as good as them was Smaug in the Hobbit films, but Dany's dragons look far more fierce and intimidating than even he did. From the close-up of Drogon letting Jon touch him, to the loot train battle, to the dragons battling the wight army and Viserion slipping beneath the water, it was all perfect. I'm so psyched to see what they do with them in this last season and I hope at least one lives - makes sense for a second dragon to live for Jon to ride but it's entirely possible that one (or both) will be lost in the war.
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Post by: Chino on September 29, 2017, 10:35:23 AM: (https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTkwWDkzOA==/z/ZuEAAOSwMmBVwMYs/$_3.JPG?set_id=2)
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Post by: The Walrus on September 29, 2017, 10:41:37 AM: :lol :lol
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 29, 2017, 10:47:10 AM: Quote from: Chino on September 29, 2017, 09:11:30 AM
Quote from: faizoff on September 27, 2017, 09:01:03 PM
Season 8 budget to be about $15 million per episode. I can only imagine all the crazy CGI that's going to be there. The wait is going to be really excruciating.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/09/game-of-thrones-how-much-does-the-final-season-8-cost-per-episode-15-million

Is that much money though for a CGI budget? That's $90M for the season. Even if all 6 episodes were 1.5 hours long, that's 9 hours of runtime. 90 minute feature length films have had budgets way in excess of that. The first transformers was something like $150M because it was so CGI heavy. $90M for 8-10 hours of CGI heavy episodes doesn't seem like a lot.

I believe previous seasons had a budget of about $10m per episode on average, so this should not be a problem. I don't think it's worth comparing a TV budget with a movie budget, because TV saves money in the long run with reusing sets/props/costumes etc, less expensive cast, and the CGI workflow is less costly, even for GOT.
It's also not worth comparing pilot episodes, as that includes a lot of those initial costs that spread across a show's run, as I previously mentioned. The pilot episode of Star Trek Voyager cost $23m, and that was over 20 years ago (no idea what the average episode cost).
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 29, 2017, 11:45:28 AM: Quote from: Chino on September 29, 2017, 09:51:50 AM
That list forgot about Terra Nova (one season)

I really liked that show and had high hopes for it. Was a cool concept...
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Post by: faizoff on September 29, 2017, 02:05:09 PM: Yeah I wouldn't compare movie budgets with TV shows. I'm sure there are other shows that have higher budgets than GOT but in comparison from one season of GOT to another the budget is definitely more per episode and even then they really aren't evenly distributed from what I understand. Some episodes can be more CGI intense than others. The dragons will definitely eat up a big chunk of it. Should be interesting. I'm more convinced now it will be 2019 March-April when the show returns.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 05, 2017, 01:29:50 AM: Saw reports of an interview with Liam Cunningham saying that next week they'll finish reading the scripts and they'll start shooting between the 15th and the 18th, he assumes :metal
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Post by: The Walrus on October 05, 2017, 09:45:39 AM: Multiple endings would make for a wonderful Blu-ray bonus feature. Just sayin'...

How exciting it must be to be an actor on a hugely popular show like this. Getting the scripts must feel like Christmas!
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Post by: cramx3 on October 05, 2017, 09:46:48 AM: It would be so hard to not tell your close friends and family who I am sure are constantly asking.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 05, 2017, 09:49:27 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 05, 2017, 09:46:48 AM
It would be so hard to not tell your close friends and family who I am sure are constantly asking.

I guess that with the job you learn how to deal with fame, fans asking autographs, the red carpets etc and so in the end you also learn how to keep your mouth shut.

Same for musicians, they have to learn to not say anything about an album that will be released in 5 months time. Think how many months must have passed since JP presented the idea for The Astonishing, and the album was announced!
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Post by: cramx3 on October 05, 2017, 09:57:30 AM: I think it's easier to not tell fans than to not tell friends and family though. Sure it's the same for many professions but got to imagine it's tough.
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Post by: The Walrus on October 05, 2017, 11:19:50 AM: Yeah. It's probably easier knowing your job/pay is on the line if word gets out you leaked, but it'd be SO hard for me to not be like, "Mom!! Guess what?!" after reading the script :lol

EDIT: Well, maybe not job... you can't just fire them, so it's probably a pay thing haha
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 05, 2017, 01:46:20 PM: Kit Harrington had it worse, when he had to say goodbye to everyone on set after Jon Snow got killed at the end of Season 5. Some believed him (Sophie Turner), some others didn't (Liam Cunningham), and he had to basically lie to his colleagues and family and it was kinda bad for him. I remember him commenting in an interview how at first it looked like a fun secret to keep, but over time it became hard to continously lie to everyone.
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Post by: lordxizor on October 06, 2017, 06:17:42 AM: I wish they'd release all six final episode as feature length films (1.5-2 hrs) and release them as they're done, one every month or two starting mid-2018 or something. Although it will be fun to have it all finish up over six weeks in 2019 or whenever it's done.

I also wonder if HBO wouldn't be better off having a season of 10 1 hour episodes rather than 6 1.5 hour episodes. It would just require a different editing approach. You'd keep people watching and potentially paying for your channel for another month.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2017, 08:01:52 AM: Quote from: lordxizor on October 06, 2017, 06:17:42 AM
I wish they'd release all six final episode as feature length films (1.5-2 hrs) and release them as they're done, one every month or two starting mid-2018 or something.

That's a cool idea, I'd like that. Gives the fans something to talk about for a month between episodes, keep the show in the news for longer. I'm going to be so sad when this show ends.
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Post by: Grappler on October 06, 2017, 08:45:17 AM: Aside from the production length, Season 7 was not eligible for the Emmy's this year. Which means that it's eligible for next year's Emmy's.

I doubt HBO would air Season 8 during the window where it would also be ellibigle for next year's Emmy's (early-mid 2018). That way they aren't doubling up and are extending the window where the show can continue to be eligible for consecutive years.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 06, 2017, 08:55:14 AM: Quote from: lordxizor on October 06, 2017, 06:17:42 AM
I also wonder if HBO wouldn't be better off having a season of 10 1 hour episodes rather than 6 1.5 hour episodes. It would just require a different editing approach. You'd keep people watching and potentially paying for your channel for another month.

I still think they should have kept the 10 episodes format until the end. With the extra running time of Season 7 you already have an 8th episode there, just make low budget scenes to flesh out more characters to fill up space. Or, do short timeshift scenes to give a better sense of time passing, avoiding the critics about time and space being forgotten.
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Post by: The Walrus on October 06, 2017, 01:40:01 PM: Quote from: Grappler on October 06, 2017, 08:45:17 AM
Aside from the production length, Season 7 was not eligible for the Emmy's this year. Which means that it's eligible for next year's Emmy's.

I doubt HBO would air Season 8 during the window where it would also be ellibigle for next year's Emmy's (early-mid 2018). That way they aren't doubling up and are extending the window where the show can continue to be eligible for consecutive years.

Oh hell... I hadn't thought about that.

You think maybe HBO will use a full length feature film to cap off season 8? Probably not gonna happen but I've thought about that possibility for a few years now and it would be one glorious, epic finale for one of the most successful shows of all time.
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Post by: faizoff on October 06, 2017, 02:16:46 PM: They've ruled out the idea of ending with a movie.I think GRRM wanted to end that way. As far as I know for now season 8 is it.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2017, 02:59:26 PM: I'm against the idea of the show ending with a movie. However, if they wanted to revisit the world with a movie, I would be OK with that.
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Post by: The Walrus on October 06, 2017, 03:05:46 PM: Hey, in rewatching the series (again), I can't believe I'm only now noticing this, but.. Jaqen H'ghar. Arya took a life that was not hers to kill (the waif). But he still let her return to Westeros. Surely the Faceless Men aren't going to just let her go? Will she live through season 8? I can see her easily being taken out because she thinks she's safe and far away. Unless I missed a detail or don't understand the faceless men as well as I thought I did.
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Post by: Grappler on October 06, 2017, 10:15:56 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on October 06, 2017, 03:05:46 PM
Hey, in rewatching the series (again), I can't believe I'm only now noticing this, but.. Jaqen H'ghar. Arya took a life that was not hers to kill (the waif). But he still let her return to Westeros. Surely the Faceless Men aren't going to just let her go? Will she live through season 8? I can see her easily being taken out because she thinks she's safe and far away. Unless I missed a detail or don't understand the faceless men as well as I thought I did.

The waif was sent to kill her and Arya bested her. So I guess her training was done and she was believed to be ready to go out into the world as a faceless man? That's what I've always believed.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 06, 2017, 11:30:42 PM: Quote from: Grappler on October 06, 2017, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on October 06, 2017, 03:05:46 PM
Hey, in rewatching the series (again), I can't believe I'm only now noticing this, but.. Jaqen H'ghar. Arya took a life that was not hers to kill (the waif). But he still let her return to Westeros. Surely the Faceless Men aren't going to just let her go? Will she live through season 8? I can see her easily being taken out because she thinks she's safe and far away. Unless I missed a detail or don't understand the faceless men as well as I thought I did.

The waif was sent to kill her and Arya bested her. So I guess her training was done and she was believed to be ready to go out into the world as a faceless man? That's what I've always believed.

That's how I saw it as well.
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Post by: The Walrus on October 07, 2017, 09:46:18 AM: Right. I guess what I'm confused on is this: Arya finally (and in the most awesome way possible) killed Meryn Trant, but Jaqen told her 'the girl has taken a life that was not hers to take; the God of Death is owed a life' or something very close. So technically there was never a life repaid, since the waif obviously failed. So I'm wondering if Jaqen hasn't forgotten that and will send someone after her, or if I'm just overanalyzing it and her training really was completed and she's all good. I don't think they got that far in the books, so I don't know if anyone can help there.

Regardless I'm glad Arya is back home, Littlefinger is gone, and (hopefully) there will be a nice bittersweet Stark reunion before the very end of season 8. :biggrin:
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Post by: BlackInk on October 07, 2017, 05:04:10 PM: Well the Meryn Trant thing was repaid to the god of death. When one of the Jaqen’s drank the poison himself instead of forcing Arya to drink it.
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Post by: The Walrus on October 07, 2017, 07:01:55 PM: D'oh. I've never seemed to remember that part for some reason. Thanks BlackInk. Now I feel silly :lol
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Post by: faizoff on October 07, 2017, 07:25:38 PM: Another thing I was wondering, in the season five finale, when jaqen h'ghar drinks that poison and dies we see Arya ripping out all those faces we then see Aryas face as one of them. What is up with that? Anyone know? I thought only the dead faces could be used.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 20, 2017, 02:40:54 AM: Yeah, that puzzled me as well.

The other day with some time to kill I read Wikiquote's page for Season 1, reliving in short the initial season... I should really rewatch that some time.

Knowing now what we know, it should be way more interesting to see it all pan out: the relationships between the various houses, while at the time it was lucky to remember more than three names and who was who, Theon as steward, Ned Stark insisting that Jon was a bastard, and so on...

Also, damn Ned's honor, when Renly told him to take the children away from Cersei when King Robert was on his deathbed... that was the right thing to do, but of course Ned wouldn't have it, and disaster ensued.
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Post by: faizoff on October 20, 2017, 08:00:01 AM: I usually do a marathon start to finish watch before each season starts but haven't been able to do that the last two seasons. I've just been watching the prior season. I will probably do a full rewatch once the season 7 box-set comes out this December.
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Post by: The Walrus on October 20, 2017, 11:44:47 AM: As far as Arya and Jaqen H'ghar goes... https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/169561/why-is-jaqen-wearing-aryas-face

That's what I came across in a Google search for the question. Who knows, basically.

I finished watching the series again a couple weeks ago. Something like 65 hours of television. Oof.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 20, 2017, 11:56:08 AM: I wish I had a magical selector that would allow me to skip through all the sections I don't care for. Not that I particularly do not care for any of the storylines, I like them all, but sometimes when you've already seen the episodes and you're in rewatching mode, maybe you don't care for what happens to Dany in Essos (basically nothing for 6 seasons until she drags her butt to Westeros... haha, just kiddin'), so it would be nicer to stay with Westeros.

Also, it would be interesting to watch all the storylines apart - seeing only Westeros, only Essos, only jon at the Wall... just to get a better feel of what it's like for the character to live in their own reality, while stuff that happens elsewhwere doesn't touch them and gets told only through ravens.

For absurd - imagine that you'd be able to show someone only the scenes in King's Landing, which alore are worth a show of its own, and then after 5 seasons of that "would you like to see scenes set in the north where a bunch of guys dressed in black patrol a Wall built because of old myths?"... probably someone wouldn't care, and everyone in King's Landing don't care either, but they should 'cause the White Walkers are real and they're coming to kill everyone!!!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 26, 2017, 01:07:07 PM: My brother in law made me an Iron Throne phone charger for Christmas. He used a bunch of little cocktail stirrers cut to different sizes. :metal

(front)
(https://i.imgur.com/FfrteU1.jpg)

(back)
(https://i.imgur.com/yuwSJxG.jpg)
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Post by: The Walrus on December 26, 2017, 01:10:25 PM: Dude... that is COOL!
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 26, 2017, 03:08:50 PM: Indeed! :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on December 27, 2017, 12:27:20 PM: Thats awesome, really cool idea to use those cocktail stirrers.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 04, 2018, 12:16:41 PM: https://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-8-returning-2019.html

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Game of Thrones Will Return in 2019

The epic fantasy series Game of Thrones will return for its six-episode, eighth and final season in 2019.
David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, David Nutter and Miguel Sapochnik will be the directors for the new season. Writers for the new season are David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Bryan Cogman and Dave Hill.
The executive producers of the series are David Benioff, D.B. Weiss, Carolyn Strauss, Frank Doelger and Bernadette Caulfield. Co-executive producers are Bryan Cogman, Guymon Casady, Vince Gerardis and George R.R. Martin.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 04, 2018, 12:20:55 PM: Well, official confirmation of what we already were told. Sucks but it's understandable.
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Post by: The Walrus on January 04, 2018, 12:23:42 PM: Yeah, it's nice to at least have it confirmed, but boy is it going to be a long year
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 04, 2018, 12:27:14 PM: Many of my favorite shows are either ending, a season away from ending, or just ended. I'm going to have to find some new things to watch.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2018, 12:27:46 PM: Quote from: Kattoelox on January 04, 2018, 12:23:42 PM
Yeah, it's nice to at least have it confirmed, but boy is it going to be a long year

I'm sure I'm not the only one who plans to revisit the Series leading into the Season 8 premier, that should help satisfy the GOT cravings a bit. I guess an official date will come later?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2018, 12:28:26 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 04, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
Many of my favorite shows are either ending, a season away from ending, or just ended. I'm going to have to find some new things to watch.

If you're not watching VIKINGS on History channel that should be one of them. It's really good.
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Post by: The Walrus on January 04, 2018, 12:34:13 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2018, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: Kattoelox on January 04, 2018, 12:23:42 PM
Yeah, it's nice to at least have it confirmed, but boy is it going to be a long year

I'm sure I'm not the only one who plans to revisit the Series leading into the Season 8 premier, that should help satisfy the GOT cravings a bit. I guess an official date will come later?

I think I saw each episode of season 7 4 or 5 times, and I thought about watching the finale again last weekend... and I watched the whole series, again, after 7 wrapped up. That's four times through now I think. I may do it one more time before 8 begins (or after it ends) but that might be it. It's a hefty investment now.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 04, 2018, 12:41:06 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2018, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 04, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
Many of my favorite shows are either ending, a season away from ending, or just ended. I'm going to have to find some new things to watch.

If you're not watching VIKINGS on History channel that should be one of them. It's really good.

I've heard many good things about that show. Maybe later tonight I'll watch the first episode of Vikings.

I also saw previews for Knightfall, so I'm wondering if that's as good as it seems.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2018, 12:48:00 PM: Quote from: Prog Snob on January 04, 2018, 12:41:06 PM
I've heard many good things about that show. Maybe later tonight I'll watch the first episode of Vikings.

It's been a while since I've watched Episode 1....but I think to be fair you should give it two or three episodes. But, what I can say about the show that has never changed is that the production is top notch, the story never gets stagnate...they always have it moving forward AND it is an interesting story.

The battle sequences are incredible and only improve as the series ages. I was thrilled to learn it's getting a (20) episode 6th season.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 04, 2018, 12:51:24 PM: I can vouch for Vikings, every Game of Thrones should love it, and I know some GoT fans who actually can't stand GoT anymore after having watched Vikings.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 04, 2018, 12:53:44 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2018, 12:48:00 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 04, 2018, 12:41:06 PM
I've heard many good things about that show. Maybe later tonight I'll watch the first episode of Vikings.

It's been a while since I've watched Episode 1....but I think to be fair you should give it two or three episodes. But, what I can say about the show that has never changed is that the production is top notch, the story never gets stagnate...they always have it moving forward AND it is an interesting story.

The battle sequences are incredible and only improve as the series ages. I was thrilled to learn it's getting a (20) episode 6th season.

Quote from: MirrorMask on January 04, 2018, 12:51:24 PM
I can vouch for Vikings, every Game of Thrones should love it, and I know some GoT fans who actually can't stand GoT anymore after having watched Vikings.

That sounds like a show I would undoubtedly love.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdjph9ToXI1qc882co4_250.gif)
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Post by: BlackInk on January 04, 2018, 01:02:47 PM: To balance this out I can say that while I like Vikings, it’s not super awesome. It’s quite an interesting look into old norse culture, but I personally don’t think the writing is especially strong. With exceptions of course, but overall it’s a bit uneven and unfocused.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2018, 01:31:23 PM: Quote from: BlackInk on January 04, 2018, 01:02:47 PM
To balance this out I can say that while I like Vikings, it’s not super awesome. It’s quite an interesting look into old norse culture, but I personally don’t think the writing is especially strong. With exceptions of course, but overall it’s a bit uneven and unfocused.

really? I couldn't disagree more. There are multiple story lines going that never stagnate. Are they the most enthralling dialogue ever? Well no, but Vikings has never suffered from what most shows do and that is reaching a point to where they don't know what to do next. It's always on the go...
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 04, 2018, 01:34:23 PM: Viking has also an absolutely monstrous and charismatic lead protagonist, that completely overshadows with his sheer awesomeness whatever little faults the show might have. I think there's worldwide critical and fan acclaim for Travis Fimmel as Ragnar Lothbrok.
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Post by: Chris Hinton on January 04, 2018, 01:56:06 PM: If we have to wait until 2019, I hope GRRM can get Winds of Winter out to tie us over...
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Post by: jakepriest on January 04, 2018, 01:57:23 PM: Imo I find Vikings unwatchable ever since Ivar has come into play. I can't stand the way he's acted, but that's just a personal opinion. Up until the mid-point of season 4 it was one of my top 3 shows.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 04, 2018, 02:00:42 PM: Quote from: Chris Hinton on January 04, 2018, 01:56:06 PM
If we have to wait until 2019, I hope GRRM can get Winds of Winter out to tie us over...

*tide :P

We can also wish for a real dragon, too. :biggrin:
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 05, 2018, 04:24:09 AM: Can you imagine the amount of hype that will build up until next year, I can safely assume the season premier will obliterate whatever record it previously had. :lol
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Post by: Grappler on January 05, 2018, 10:01:19 AM: Say what you want about ravens flying extreme distances and delivering their message in the very next scene, I still feel that this is an incredibly written show. I'm reading A Clash of Kings, having never read the books before watching all 7 seasons and came across this line from Tyrion. This is exactly what he would say in the show (or in truth, GOT Tyrion is exactly as book Tyrion is, and should be.)

"What else is a Hand for, if not to hand you things." I can picture him saying that in the show....they've truly nailed these characters for 7 seasons.

It's going to be a long wait until 2019, but I've done it before when the Sopranos had some very lengthy hiatus'.
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Post by: The Walrus on January 05, 2018, 10:22:21 AM: Miguel Sapochnik is directing a couple episodes for season 8... glorious battles await. The whole season I predict will be battles. And they will be terrifying, glorious, and epic.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 05, 2018, 11:30:07 AM: For sure battles are incoming.

The army of the undead and the wighs will reach Winterfell first and the Night King will be like

"WINTER HAS COME, BITCHES"

(https://files.shandymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/22122750/night-king-jets.jpg)
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Post by: faizoff on January 06, 2018, 09:13:15 AM: Quote from: Kattoelox on January 05, 2018, 10:22:21 AM
Miguel Sapochnik is directing a couple episodes for season 8... glorious battles await. The whole season I predict will be battles. And they will be terrifying, glorious, and epic.

I don't know if they've released the breakdown of directors for each episode but it might be that Miguel is doing 3 episodes, David Nutter might do 2 and D&D do the finale.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 06, 2018, 09:38:39 AM: I think I remember reading that they’re doing two each.
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Post by: faizoff on January 06, 2018, 06:23:34 PM: I doubt David and Dan are doing more than one episode, I'm going to imagine the finale will be the longest episode in the series and they are seasonal directors with more of a sentiment drive to finish the series than anything else.

That said even if they're all doing 2 episodes each that's fine by me, I'm more than happy with who is at the helm of each episode.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 07, 2018, 03:43:14 AM: One thing I wondered is how directors direct episodes, not locations... maybe logistically it would have been better to have a North director, a King's Landing director, an Essos director etc... does that mean that a director has anyway to travel to Belfast, Spain and whatever else they're filming rather than staying in a single location? most likely yes.
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Post by: ReaperKK on January 07, 2018, 06:14:04 AM: It's going to be a long wait but at least that gives me time to rewatch the entire series.
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Post by: Prog Snob on January 07, 2018, 07:00:39 PM: Maybe they can bring in Peter Jackson to do the last episode so we can get a nine hour final episode.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2018, 06:07:47 PM: I just finished Season 1. Really good so far, although as someone who never read the books, I still am trying to remember the names of all 485 characters. :lol :lol
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Post by: lonestar on February 11, 2018, 06:11:52 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on February 11, 2018, 06:07:47 PM
I just finished Season 1. Really good so far, although as someone who never read the books, I still am trying to remember the names of all 485 characters. :lol :lol

I wouldn't worry about it, 300 of then will be dead by season 4.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2018, 06:17:11 PM: Quote from: lonestar on February 11, 2018, 06:11:52 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on February 11, 2018, 06:07:47 PM
I just finished Season 1. Really good so far, although as someone who never read the books, I still am trying to remember the names of all 485 characters. :lol :lol

I wouldn't worry about it, 300 of then will be dead by season 4.

Haha, so I hear. A few friends have hyped it up, while also warning me to not get too attached to any character since they are likely to be dead sooner rather than later.

And that rat bastard Joffrey will probably outlive them all. :censored :censored
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Post by: faizoff on February 11, 2018, 06:27:57 PM: That's awesome! To be frank, even though I'm a huge fan of the show now it took me a while to really get into it. It wasn't until after season 3 that I became really crazy about it.
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Post by: pg1067 on February 13, 2018, 01:55:57 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on February 11, 2018, 06:07:47 PM
I just finished Season 1. Really good so far, although as someone who never read the books, I still am trying to remember the names of all 485 characters. :lol :lol

I started watching last summer, and the toughest part for me was that half of those 485 characters look almost exactly alike. "Hey...what happened to the 40-something year old guy with the brown hair and beard?" Yeah...like that narrows it down!
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Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2018, 03:16:11 PM: Quote from: pg1067 on February 13, 2018, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on February 11, 2018, 06:07:47 PM
I just finished Season 1. Really good so far, although as someone who never read the books, I still am trying to remember the names of all 485 characters. :lol :lol

I started watching last summer, and the toughest part for me was that half of those 485 characters look almost exactly alike. "Hey...what happened to the 40-something year old guy with the brown hair and beard?" Yeah...like that narrows it down!

It's hard at first watch, but if you watch again, look at their clothes. The wardrobes are done so well on this show. House colors and sigils and certain outfits match different houses and characters.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 13, 2018, 03:22:34 PM: "Yay, I finally managed to distinguish this character from the other aaaaaand he's dead".
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Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2018, 05:42:38 PM: Haha, pretty much.

I like the show a lot, but not knowing all of the characters makes it hard to enjoy it to the fullest, and I do find some of the fantasy stuff a bit hokey (I am generally not a watcher of fantasy movies/shows).
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Post by: faizoff on February 13, 2018, 06:17:59 PM: Honest trailers did one around the time season 4 was coming out and it was spot on regarding how I felt about all the characters' familiarity at the time. I watched that trailer again a few months ago and this time it was so different that I knew every single one of them without a moment of hesitation.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 13, 2018, 07:03:43 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on February 13, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
Haha, pretty much.

I like the show a lot, but not knowing all of the characters makes it hard to enjoy it to the fullest, and I do find some of the fantasy stuff a bit hokey (I am generally not a watcher of fantasy movies/shows).

By far the toughest thing about GOT was getting accustomed to all the characters. The first three seasons I watched when discussing with my brothers I’d just say ‘chic with the red hair’....’the guy that bangs his sister’ etc etc.
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Post by: chknptpie on February 13, 2018, 07:37:27 PM: Rewatching really helped me out with that issue.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 13, 2018, 07:54:49 PM: Quote from: chknptpie on February 13, 2018, 07:37:27 PM
Rewatching really helped me out with that issue.

Definitely gonna rewatch prior to the final season. The couple episodes I’ve rewatched here and there it was so much different actually knowing what they were referring to rather than having no idea.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2018, 08:23:02 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on February 13, 2018, 07:03:43 PM

By far the toughest thing about GOT was getting accustomed to all the characters. The first three seasons I watched when discussing with my brothers I’d just say ‘chic with the red hair’....’the guy that bangs his sister’ etc etc.

Can you narrow it down? :eek :eek :lol :lol
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Post by: pg1067 on February 20, 2018, 04:19:03 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on February 13, 2018, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on February 13, 2018, 07:03:43 PM

By far the toughest thing about GOT was getting accustomed to all the characters. The first three seasons I watched when discussing with my brothers I’d just say ‘chic with the red hair’....’the guy that bangs his sister’ etc etc.

Can you narrow it down? :eek :eek :lol :lol

Seriously!

Funny thing is that I remember when my wife and I watched the first episode, and she then watched the next couple while I was at work. I made some sort of comment about the "incest twins," and her response was "how did you know?" The thing is that I was referring to Dani and her brother (who just looked like they were incestuous or were the product of incest (which they are, although I didn't know it at the time)). She thought I was referring to Jamie and Cersei (whom I hadn't yet seen in action).

I'll definitely be re-watching all of the prior seasons at least once in preparation for season 8.
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Post by: Chino on February 21, 2018, 05:56:32 AM: I found GOT hard to follow when binging. I didn't start watching it live with the rest of the world until season 6. It got much easier to remember who people were and what was going on when I had a week to discuss each episode before watching the next one. When I'd sit down and plow through 5-10 episodes on a lazy Sunday, I was being exposed to so much information that it made it difficult to process it all.
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Post by: ReaperKK on February 21, 2018, 06:15:34 AM: That was my experience with it as well, once I caught up and there was time between episodes it really helped to understand what was going on
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 03, 2018, 08:39:47 AM: Pretty cool deleted scene from Season 4 between Tywin and Pycelle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfmmUa_r-oo

I wish they would have kept this in
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 03, 2018, 11:50:57 AM: Ah, yes, seen that one.

Most people says nice things to you and then talk shit behind your back. Tywin instead was always insulting Tyrion to his face, and here he kinda complimented him on his tenure as Hand :D
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Post by: cramx3 on April 03, 2018, 12:42:48 PM: That scene also exposed Pycelle for who he was, which was kind of shown via the whore scene with him and other references, but this scene made it obvious.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 12, 2018, 01:06:40 AM: Saw a post on Facebook about how supposedly the biggest battle of the show has done filming. 55 days, Battle of the Bastards took 35.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2018, 06:32:08 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2018, 01:06:40 AM
Saw a post on Facebook about how supposedly the biggest battle of the show has done filming. 55 days, Battle of the Bastards took 35.

Read the same thing online. 55 day....that’s gonna be quite a battle.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 30, 2018, 02:38:35 PM: Hodor jammin with Megadeth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh3qAViqhno

:metal :lol
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 30, 2018, 02:57:44 PM: "Hold the chord"
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Post by: Chino on August 22, 2018, 06:08:47 AM: Been rewatching the series for the second time. It's much easier to follow the second time around. I started season 6 last night. I have to say, I still really don't get the whole arc with Arya and the black/white house. It just seems like they didn't know what to do with her character and shoved her into this completely foreign part of Westeros.

And as always. Fuck Ollie.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 22, 2018, 06:29:15 AM: Never understood the hate for Ollie, he is young, impressionable and went through complete hell.

I hated the Black/White House arc. To make it worse, the final fight was off camera.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 22, 2018, 06:49:45 AM: I’m planning on re-watching the series prior to the final season. Just trying to figure out when I’m gonna start it up. I’m thinking around Dec/Jan
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Post by: Grappler on August 22, 2018, 06:52:17 AM: Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 22, 2018, 06:29:15 AM
I hated the Black/White House arc. To make it worse, the final fight was off camera.

Having that final fight in the dark demonstrated just how much skill Arya had developed. I like her arc, and it isn't that hard to figure out why she went there. She had a list of people she wanted to kill and found a way to learn to become an assassin. The books expand on her training quite a bit and it takes her a long time to come to a place where she isn't there to be "Arya Stark, assassin," but "faceless man, assassin." They see right through her in that she is there for personal reasons and not to truly become a faceless man.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 22, 2018, 09:31:59 AM: Quote from: Grappler on August 22, 2018, 06:52:17 AM
Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 22, 2018, 06:29:15 AM
I hated the Black/White House arc. To make it worse, the final fight was off camera.

Having that final fight in the dark demonstrated just how much skill Arya had developed. I like her arc, and it isn't that hard to figure out why she went there. She had a list of people she wanted to kill and found a way to learn to become an assassin. The books expand on her training quite a bit and it takes her a long time to come to a place where she isn't there to be "Arya Stark, assassin," but "faceless man, assassin." They see right through her in that she is there for personal reasons and not to truly become a faceless man.

Thats true, but also add me to the group that didn't enjoy the shows version of it. I wasn't crazy about the books either, but since the story isn't finished, there could be some more payoff from this storyline that makes it worth the screen time.

Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on August 22, 2018, 06:29:15 AM
Never understood the hate for Ollie, he is young, impressionable and went through complete hell.

He's not in the book so lots of people hate him because he was written in which changed Jon's story slightly. However, I thought his storyline was a pretty good one for being on the show runners and not GRRM. Of course I hated him for killing Jon and being a bitch, but it all really made sense for what he went through and the company he was currently with.
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Post by: kaos2900 on August 22, 2018, 11:18:04 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 22, 2018, 06:49:45 AM
I’m planning on re-watching the series prior to the final season. Just trying to figure out when I’m gonna start it up. I’m thinking around Dec/Jan

I'm think about doing this as well though I'm leaning towards watching the final season and then going back and watching the whole series so I can see if there were any nuggets in the earlier seasons.
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Post by: ReaperKK on August 22, 2018, 09:03:54 PM: Quote from: Chino on August 22, 2018, 06:08:47 AM
Been rewatching the series for the second time. It's much easier to follow the second time around. I started season 6 last night. I have to say, I still really don't get the whole arc with Arya and the black/white house. It just seems like they didn't know what to do with her character and shoved her into this completely foreign part of Westeros.

And as always. Fuck Ollie.

I'm going to start rewatching the series soon too.

I didn't get into GoT until season 4 and I binged everything a few weeks prior so it was a lot to take in.
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Post by: lordxizor on August 23, 2018, 07:35:49 AM: I wouldn't mind rewatching them either. Never going to happen due to lack of time though. I will say I didn't really get into the show until it passed the books. I watched all the earlier seasons but often not for months after they came out. The last couple seasons I've been watching every Sunday night.
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Post by: krands85 on August 23, 2018, 09:46:15 AM: I rewatched everything before the last season, so I think I'll just do a rewatch of 6 and 7 before the final season.

I would love to wait until S8 is finished before starting it - I prefer not being limited to 1 episode per week - but it's almost impossible to avoid spoilers for this show, especially with this being the conclusion of it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 23, 2018, 09:53:45 AM: Quote from: krands85 on August 23, 2018, 09:46:15 AM
it's almost impossible to avoid spoilers for this show, especially with this being the conclusion of it.

I'm curious as to if there will be an MAJOR leaks prior to the season starting?
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 23, 2018, 10:04:22 AM: I'm sure entire episodes will be leaked again. I had details of Season 7, Episode 7 spoiled to me a couple of weeks before its premier in the comments section of an (unrelated) ESPN facebook post.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2018, 10:36:05 AM: Quote from: krands85 on August 23, 2018, 09:46:15 AM
I rewatched everything before the last season, so I think I'll just do a rewatch of 6 and 7 before the final season.

Same here.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on August 23, 2018, 09:53:45 AM
I'm curious as to if there will be an MAJOR leaks prior to the season starting?

Probably, although I heard they wrote and even filmed different endings? I havent been googling or following any production news to avoid potential spoilers, but my coworker said he read that they are doing a lot of things to make it difficult to be spoiled. Although, at the end of the day, I expect this stuff will get out regardless.
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Post by: MirrorMask on August 26, 2018, 02:43:44 AM: Quote from: krands85 on August 23, 2018, 09:46:15 AM
I would love to wait until S8 is finished before starting it - I prefer not being limited to 1 episode per week - but it's almost impossible to avoid spoilers for this show, especially with this being the conclusion of it.

That's why since Season 5 I reclutanctly watch them as soon as they air as well. I would be perfectly fine with waiting for the season to finish but it's impossible by now to avoid spoilers so I'll resign myself to watch them immediately.

The day after the last episode I'd better not use social media at all.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 21, 2018, 11:59:56 AM: While we wait for news about Season 8, allow me to go on a rambling about one of the best scenes of season 7: Olenna Tyrell's final scene with Jaimie Lannister.

We all know how badass that scene is, but I want to point out two smaller details. First of all, when Jaimie meets her, Olenna almost immediately says, in an exasperated, almost mocking tone, "And now the rains weep o'er our halls", kinda like to say "yeah, we get it, it's your catchphrase, yadda yadda yadda, you won, get over it", thus robbing Jaimie of a chance for a sneaky remark about it.

Then, almost immediately, she taunts him about Joffrey, talking about the name of the sword.... "He really was a cunt, wasn't he?" (spoiler: yes, he was :lol) well, I remember in the heat of the first viewing, thinking "tell him!!! tell him!!!", but it took a while. Then I realized why.... ever wanted to say something important or nice, a leadup maybe to offer a present to a person at the right moment and not just suddenly ("hey, btw, I have a present for you"), and failing to find the proper moment, at least for a while? of course, because that's what happens in real life, perfect catcphrases and comebacks are for movies.

And well, even if Olenna is a TV character, the writers built this indecision into her speech. If you pay attention, she had already decided to tell Jaimie, and she was waiting for the perfect moment to tell him, and failed some times.

"He really was a cunt, wasn't he?" was to lead Jaimie to admit what a dipshit of a son he had, so that maybe she could tell him "Well, then you'll partially forgive me for taking him out".
She asked more than once "how will it happen? with that sword?", if Jaimie would have beheaded her, she probably would have said "Well, how poetic, the sword of Joffrey kills the woman who poisoned him".
When she asked if there was pain in the poison for her, it was probably out of self concern, but maybe she would have pointed out again that she'd got the same fate as the king she killed.

Only when Jaimie told her the poison was painless, she found the right words and the right moment to finally tell him what she wanted to tell him the moment he entered the room. Just like it takes a lot of time for us to find the proper moment and words to say important things we want to say. And boy, what a memorable moment it was. People will remember the wonderful, final line, "Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me", but the entire scene was amazingly written and acted.

Olenna was the one defeated and about to be killed, and she was the one who "won" the confrontation. Impressive. The Queen of Thorns is a badass motherfucker and she went out the same way she lived, in total and utter badassery :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2018, 12:16:16 PM: Oh yea that is an amazing scene and such strong lines from an awesome character on her way out.
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Post by: Chino on September 21, 2018, 12:19:40 PM: I always felt that Jamie didn't seem that mad, and almost understanding in a way, because he shared something in common with her. He too killed a mad king, and despite it being his son, he "got it".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on September 21, 2018, 12:22:47 PM: Quote from: Chino on September 21, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
I always felt that Jamie didn't seem that mad, and almost understanding in a way, because he shared something in common with her. He too killed a mad king, and despite it being his son, he "got it".

I think he also felt some relief knowing it wasn't Tyrion but also felt bad for the way his sister treated him. Probably a lot of emotions and thoughts going through his head during that convo and the actor did a good job without showing any one emotion too much.
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Post by: Grappler on September 21, 2018, 12:24:34 PM: One of my favorite websites: https://beautifuldeath.com/ or https://robertmball.com/Beautiful-Death/

HBO commissioned Robert M. Ball to paint a poster for one death in each episode through Season 4. He's continued since. Episodes air on Sundays and HBO posts the image the following Friday.
(https://payload260.cargocollective.com/1/4/159938/7507727/Beautiful-Death-7_1-art3_670.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on September 21, 2018, 12:27:12 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on September 21, 2018, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: Chino on September 21, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
I always felt that Jamie didn't seem that mad, and almost understanding in a way, because he shared something in common with her. He too killed a mad king, and despite it being his son, he "got it".

I think he also felt some relief knowing it wasn't Tyrion but also felt bad for the way his sister treated him. Probably a lot of emotions and thoughts going through his head during that convo and the actor did a good job without showing any one emotion too much.

That's a good point as well.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 21, 2018, 12:30:02 PM: Quote from: Chino on September 21, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
I always felt that Jamie didn't seem that mad, and almost understanding in a way, because he shared something in common with her. He too killed a mad king, and despite it being his son, he "got it".

I just rewatched the scene. He was simply overwhelmed. The sudden news, the realization, the idea that he was talking in a civil way with a woman who understood the ways of the world and respected him in her final conversation, and then all of a sudden "oh, btw.... I killed your son. He chocked horribly because of me"... again, as it happens to us in real life, he couldn't find the proper words, right after he did her the kindness of a merciful death, and so he stormed off. He was literally at loss for words. Olenna owned him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on September 21, 2018, 12:39:54 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on September 21, 2018, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: Chino on September 21, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
I always felt that Jamie didn't seem that mad, and almost understanding in a way, because he shared something in common with her. He too killed a mad king, and despite it being his son, he "got it".

I just rewatched the scene. He was simply overwhelmed. The sudden news, the realization, the idea that he was talking in a civil way with a woman who understood the ways of the world and respected him in her final conversation, and then all of a sudden "oh, btw.... I killed your son. He chocked horribly because of me"... again, as it happens to us in real life, he couldn't find the proper words, right after he did her the kindness of a merciful death, and so he stormed off. He was literally at loss for words. Olenna owned him.

I still don't think that means he was pissed or angry about it. He wouldn't have let her die the way he did otherwise.
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Post by: Adami on September 21, 2018, 12:41:43 PM: Jamie also was at a point where he could be pissed or angry and not immediately lash out in fury and rage.
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Post by: Chino on October 26, 2018, 11:38:01 AM: Possibly NSFW Halloween Costume

https://preview.redd.it/mrk93g5gjiu11.jpg?width=575&auto=webp&s=dd9ea4474b6654516962cca75d0fa294a5ccc12b
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Post by: Chris Hinton on October 26, 2018, 01:30:25 PM: SHAME!
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 28, 2018, 06:26:31 AM: It's a long wait for the new season, isn't it?

But guess what: some people had it WAY worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLCOvZOh1o
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on October 28, 2018, 07:30:40 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 28, 2018, 06:26:31 AM
It's a long wait for the new season, isn't it?

But guess what: some people had it WAY worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLCOvZOh1o

I think I saw this in 2016 (or perhaps 2015), and, well, I still kinda agree with this. :lol The whole ASOIAF / GoT thing is dead to me. The show has turned to shit for me to the point I can't enjoy watching it, and new books aren't coming either, so oh well. Thankfully there are a lot of great books/shows out there. Like those Locke Lamora books from Scott Lynch. Oh wait. :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on October 28, 2018, 10:08:49 AM: Good thing the show is actually still pretty awesome. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 13, 2018, 12:44:14 PM: Confirmed that the return is in April. So, with that being said and with my desire to re-watch the series leading in to the final season it looks like you'd need to watch (22) episodes a month in Jan/Feb/March. There are (67) episodes so you'd need to pick up an episode somewhere in there.

If you watched (1) episode a night just during the weekdays starting January 1st, that puts you at finishing the available seasons on April 3rd leading into the final season.

I know myself and know that I'm minimum (2) episodes at a time....so, I'm pretty sure I can get the series re-watched in time.
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Post by: Chino on November 13, 2018, 12:55:27 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on November 13, 2018, 12:44:14 PM
Confirmed that the return is in April. So, with that being said and with my desire to re-watch the series leading in to the final season it looks like you'd need to watch (22) episodes a month in Jan/Feb/March. There are (67) episodes so you'd need to pick up an episode somewhere in there.

If you watched (1) episode a night just during the weekdays starting January 1st, that puts you at finishing the available seasons on April 3rd leading into the final season.

I know myself and know that I'm minimum (2) episodes at a time....so, I'm pretty sure I can get the series re-watched in time.

I ripped through it in no time. Luckily for me, I don't have children in the mix, so taking a rainy Sunday or three and plowing through 10 episodes each time wasn't an issue.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 13, 2018, 12:56:07 PM: Teaser for Season 8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnhFBlkzYe8) (no new footage)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 13, 2018, 01:17:55 PM: Quote from: Chino on November 13, 2018, 12:55:27 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on November 13, 2018, 12:44:14 PM
Confirmed that the return is in April. So, with that being said and with my desire to re-watch the series leading in to the final season it looks like you'd need to watch (22) episodes a month in Jan/Feb/March. There are (67) episodes so you'd need to pick up an episode somewhere in there.

If you watched (1) episode a night just during the weekdays starting January 1st, that puts you at finishing the available seasons on April 3rd leading into the final season.

I know myself and know that I'm minimum (2) episodes at a time....so, I'm pretty sure I can get the series re-watched in time.

I ripped through it in no time. Luckily for me, I don't have children in the mix, so taking a rainy Sunday or three and plowing through 10 episodes each time wasn't an issue.

My TV watching has been regulated to the hours between 9:30 pm - 1:30 am (or so). Which sucks. Because, I'll do it on weekdays as well and just kill myself with lack of sleep. Especially when hooked on a series. Like now, I'm trying to get through Daredevil and I'm just costing myself so much sleep by watching during the week. I just simply don't have the time to do it yet I still insist on stealing that time from the sleep I should be getting.
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Post by: faizoff on November 13, 2018, 03:26:18 PM: Thank goodness the season starts in April. I was rueing it would be later. This makes me very happy. It's around the same wait for seeing DT in Tampa.
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Post by: New World Rushman on November 14, 2018, 07:09:48 AM: I recently re-watched the whole series in an odd way;

I watched reaction videos on YouTube. Kind of like Lost in Vegas, but for TV shows. I discovered this guy Jimmy Macram by accident, he watches the episode and reacts and edits each episode down to 10-15 minutes. I get a kick out of the guy, and have since re-watched all of Lost with him and am now in the middle of TWD.

Check it out if you cant commit enough time to re-watch full episodes.
(I work two jobs and have very little TV time).
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Post by: cramx3 on November 14, 2018, 07:48:16 AM: Quote from: New World Rushman on November 14, 2018, 07:09:48 AM
I recently re-watched the whole series in an odd way;

I watched reaction videos on YouTube. Kind of like Lost in Vegas, but for TV shows. I discovered this guy Jimmy Macram by accident, he watches the episode and reacts and edits each episode down to 10-15 minutes. I get a kick out of the guy, and have since re-watched all of Lost with him and am now in the middle of TWD.

Check it out if you cant commit enough time to re-watch full episodes.
(I work two jobs and have very little TV time).

Oh that's pretty cool, I've actually been slowly rewatching Lost with my gf who hasn't seen it.
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Post by: The Walrus on November 14, 2018, 03:37:39 PM: Quote from: New World Rushman on November 14, 2018, 07:09:48 AM
I recently re-watched the whole series in an odd way;

I watched reaction videos on YouTube. Kind of like Lost in Vegas, but for TV shows. I discovered this guy Jimmy Macram by accident, he watches the episode and reacts and edits each episode down to 10-15 minutes. I get a kick out of the guy, and have since re-watched all of Lost with him and am now in the middle of TWD.

Check it out if you cant commit enough time to re-watch full episodes.
(I work two jobs and have very little TV time).

Since I've watched the show so many times I may do this. That sounds like fun, and would massively cut down on the time required to binge the show yet again.
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Post by: Samsara on November 14, 2018, 03:46:19 PM: With Daredevil over, and nothing on the horizon, I'm going to suggest my wife and I re-watch the series before it starts up again in April. We both have read all the books, but not going through that again. :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 15, 2018, 01:00:50 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on November 14, 2018, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: New World Rushman on November 14, 2018, 07:09:48 AM
I recently re-watched the whole series in an odd way;

I watched reaction videos on YouTube. Kind of like Lost in Vegas, but for TV shows. I discovered this guy Jimmy Macram by accident, he watches the episode and reacts and edits each episode down to 10-15 minutes. I get a kick out of the guy, and have since re-watched all of Lost with him and am now in the middle of TWD.

Check it out if you cant commit enough time to re-watch full episodes.
(I work two jobs and have very little TV time).

Since I've watched the show so many times I may do this. That sounds like fun, and would massively cut down on the time required to binge the show yet again.
Hmm that sounds interesting, i've been meaning to re-watch the show since season 4 but never done it because of time.This might be a good workaround. :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: New World Rushman on November 15, 2018, 05:56:48 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 15, 2018, 01:00:50 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on November 14, 2018, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: New World Rushman on November 14, 2018, 07:09:48 AM
I recently re-watched the whole series in an odd way;

I watched reaction videos on YouTube. Kind of like Lost in Vegas, but for TV shows. I discovered this guy Jimmy Macram by accident, he watches the episode and reacts and edits each episode down to 10-15 minutes. I get a kick out of the guy, and have since re-watched all of Lost with him and am now in the middle of TWD.

Check it out if you cant commit enough time to re-watch full episodes.
(I work two jobs and have very little TV time).

Since I've watched the show so many times I may do this. That sounds like fun, and would massively cut down on the time required to binge the show yet again.
Hmm that sounds interesting, i've been meaning to re-watch the show since season 4 but never done it because of time.This might be a good workaround. :tup

It's fun to watch him when you know a shocking moment is coming; Episode 1x9, The Red Wedding, The Purple Wedding (which he calls the greatest moment in television history!)
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 15, 2018, 06:14:05 AM: Checked out of curiosity his reaction to Baelor... I thought he was like "oh no, shit, what the hell, come on" but then he just simply stared blankly and silent at the screen, with "what have I just witnessed" and "why life sucks so hard" printed on his face, and then he simply "NOPE"-d his way out of the room. Priceless ;D
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Post by: Phoenix87x on December 01, 2018, 07:57:31 PM: If you had to pick a favorite character, who would it be and why?

For me its Oberyn

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ac/Oberyn_Martell-Pedro_Pascal.jpg/220px-Oberyn_Martell-Pedro_Pascal.jpg)

Suave badass, that doesn't give a damn what people think of him, and has the skills to back it all up. Man did I love watching this guy
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 02, 2018, 06:36:00 AM: "I have a soft spot in my heart for cripples, bastards and broken things"

Well, more precisely, since season 1 I started to root for the trio of Tyrion, Arya and Dany. Tyrion and Arya became even better in the course of the seasons, Dany is still great but I'm afraid she will completely lose ot and will go Mad King all over Westeros.

And of course Oberyn was great as well :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2018, 07:47:34 AM: Tyrion and Jon Snow

some bonus love to Bronn and The Hound as my favorite support characters
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Post by: Adami on December 03, 2018, 07:49:33 AM: I'm terrible with names, but my favorite character is definitely the slightly older British dude.
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Post by: Progmetty on December 03, 2018, 08:08:27 AM: There's a whole bunch of those Adami :lol, I'm gonna guess you mean Davos.
Mine was Theon Greyjoy for the longest time, cause I love a good redemption story. Jon Snow, Tyrion of course. Lyanna Mormont is awesome even though we've seen very little of her.
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Post by: Indiscipline on December 03, 2018, 08:09:33 AM: Sir Davos for me too, with the late dear Olenna and the lovable Gilly.
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Post by: Adami on December 03, 2018, 08:59:34 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on December 03, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
There's a whole bunch of those Adami :lol, I'm gonna guess you mean Davos.
Mine was Theon Greyjoy for the longest time, cause I love a good redemption story. Jon Snow, Tyrion of course. Lyanna Mormont is awesome even though we've seen very little of her.

Oh i was being intentionally obtuse.

Davos is pretty awesome. Though Dame Diana left a pretty huge impression in her last secene.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 03, 2018, 05:30:54 PM: Decided to take the plunged and start from scratch again in preperation for the final season. Just watched S01 this weekend which I hadn't watched since it aired. Hot damn had I forgotten how much actually happened in the first season and also how quick the pace was. It was exciting to watch knowing what's coming but also how immense the journey feel to get to where we are now, feels like forever I was this far back in the story. I guess that's because it's been literally 7 years since I was this far back. :lol
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Post by: Chino on December 04, 2018, 06:01:22 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 03, 2018, 05:30:54 PM
Decided to take the plunged and start from scratch again in preperation for the final season. Just watched S01 this weekend which I hadn't watched since it aired. Hot damn had I forgotten how much actually happened in the first season and also how quick the pace was. It was exciting to watch knowing what's coming but also how immense the journey feel to get to where we are now, feels like forever I was this far back in the story. I guess that's because it's been literally 7 years since I was this far back. :lol

There were times on my second watch that were like watching it again for the first time. There was soooo much stuff I forgot about.
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Post by: kaos2900 on December 04, 2018, 07:20:28 AM: Ugh, I'm still trying to decide if I want re-watch before or after the new season. I think I'm going wait primarily because all of my free time is dedicated to Red Dead 2.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 04, 2018, 07:31:43 AM: Watch it before - what if the ending sucks, or your favorite character dies at the end? you'd watch 7 (8 actually) seasons knowing that in the end he/she's gonna lose.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2018, 08:20:37 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on December 04, 2018, 07:31:43 AM
Watch it before - what if the ending sucks, or your favorite character dies at the end? you'd watch 7 (8 actually) seasons knowing that in the end he/she's gonna lose.

Or maybe the end shows something that was revealed in season 1 and forgotten about but rewatching would make you notice it? Things like that are why I always enjoyed rewatching. However, you can't go wrong rewatching beforehand to refresh yourself.

I may just watch the last two seasons again, last year I rewatched the whole series with my gf who watched for the first time.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 04, 2018, 08:25:05 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on December 04, 2018, 08:20:37 AM
I may just watch the last two seasons again, last year I rewatched the whole series with my gf who watched for the first time.

"Honey why are you filming me during this boring wedding scene at Walder Frey's?"
"Ssssh keep watching"

:lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 04, 2018, 02:00:54 PM: Quote from: Chino on December 04, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 03, 2018, 05:30:54 PM
Decided to take the plunged and start from scratch again in preperation for the final season. Just watched S01 this weekend which I hadn't watched since it aired. Hot damn had I forgotten how much actually happened in the first season and also how quick the pace was. It was exciting to watch knowing what's coming but also how immense the journey feel to get to where we are now, feels like forever I was this far back in the story. I guess that's because it's been literally 7 years since I was this far back. :lol

There were times on my second watch that were like watching it again for the first time. There was soooo much stuff I forgot about.
For me basically everything before the Red Wedding was a bit of a blurr for me, kind of forgot how an important character Robb Stark was in the story. :P
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 10, 2018, 11:32:12 AM: So i've come to the Red Wedding and knowing the outcome of course it wasn't as shocking but seeing the total emptiness in Catelyns eyes at the end still got me good.

So excited to catch up on everything that happens now though.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 10, 2018, 12:13:00 PM: The Red Wedding was double bad for me 'cause I accidentally stumbled upon it while reading other stuff on characters. I was on a wikia about Robb Stark and I guess I was safe in reading stuff about his past and then all of a sudden I read that he was killed off, and those random memes about the wedding I had already seen made sense. Bummer.

Also from little pieces here and there I figured out that there was a "purple wedding" and that was it for Joffrey, but seeing it happen was wickedly cool :metal :biggrin:

What still pains me is The Mountain vs The Viper battle. Such a cold shower. The irony is that Oberyn was already pushed down to the ground, but he quickly rolled over away, now when an injured Mountain made him fall again, suddenly he can't quickly jump away and he gets skullcrushed to death. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 10, 2018, 12:20:46 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on December 10, 2018, 12:13:00 PM
The Red Wedding was double bad for me 'cause I accidentally stumbled upon it while reading other stuff on characters. I was on a wikia about Robb Stark and I guess I was safe in reading stuff about his past and then all of a sudden I read that he was killed off, and those random memes about the wedding I had already seen made sense. Bummer.

Also from little pieces here and there I figured out that there was a "purple wedding" and that was it for Joffrey, but seeing it happen was wickedly cool :metal :biggrin:

What still pains me is The Mountain vs The Viper battle. Such a cold shower. The irony is that Oberyn was already pushed down to the ground, but he quickly rolled over away, now when an injured Mountain made him fall again, suddenly he can't quickly jump away and he gets skullcrushed to death. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Yea that was so brutal, can't wait to see Oberyn again though. Such a cool character which made that even more tough to smallow. :lol
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Post by: ariich on December 10, 2018, 12:37:47 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on December 10, 2018, 12:13:00 PM
The Red Wedding was double bad for me 'cause I accidentally stumbled upon it while reading other stuff on characters. I was on a wikia about Robb Stark and I guess I was safe in reading stuff about his past and then all of a sudden I read that he was killed off, and those random memes about the wedding I had already seen made sense. Bummer.
In the UK, a couple of newspapers (well, tabloids) had it as front page news the day after it aired, which meant people who watch it on catch up even just the following day had it spoiled.
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Post by: Chino on December 10, 2018, 12:56:42 PM: I had Bolton's death spoiled on LinkedIn of all places.
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Post by: Progmetty on December 10, 2018, 01:03:10 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on December 10, 2018, 12:13:00 PM
The Red Wedding was double bad for me 'cause I accidentally stumbled upon it while reading other stuff on characters. I was on a wikia about Robb Stark and I guess I was safe in reading stuff about his past and then all of a sudden I read that he was killed off, and those random memes about the wedding I had already seen made sense. Bummer.

Total bummer dude, I would have been angry at myself :lol
Red Wedding was totally unspoiled for me, my wife had watched the episode before me but sat down to watch it with me again, I realized after the episode ended that she was just watching me for the entire last scene heh
She expected I would tear up but I just got upset, it threw me off big time, I remember asking her what the fuck this show is doing, I thought I had it figured out, I thought Rob was THE GUY, the main character, the avenger, etc. I couldn't envision at all where the show was gonna go from there.
Come to think of it, for the whole series I only wept for Hodor. Most deaths upset me, cause most of them were very unsatisfying, for both heroes and villains.
I'm hoping The Winds of Winter carries a different ending for Ramsay Bolton, if he gets captured it would be cool if he gets life imprisonment, but preferably I'd want him to die in the upcoming battle.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 12, 2018, 11:22:13 AM: The "You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children" line really gets too you and you want nothing more then his confession but then he just....trips him, smack his teeth out and squishy squishy.....he's out.

Still as brutal and shocking as the first time I saw that. :omg:
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 12, 2018, 12:14:13 PM: Also I'd liike to point out that Bronn, almost casually, figured out exactly how to take out the Mountain while he was talking to Tyrion about how he wouldn't do it: "Maybe I could dance around him until he's tired, get him off his feet somehow"... which exactly the tactic used by Oberyn (with, on top, the cunning move of taunting him and pissing him off making him nervous and less lucid). And Bronn, also, knew that one moment of distraction could be fatal.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 12, 2018, 01:41:56 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on December 12, 2018, 12:14:13 PM
Also I'd liike to point out that Bronn, almost casually, figured out exactly how to take out the Mountain while he was talking to Tyrion about how he wouldn't do it: "Maybe I could dance around him until he's tired, get him off his feet somehow"... which exactly the tactic used by Oberyn (with, on top, the cunning move of taunting him and pissing him off making him nervous and less lucid). And Bronn, also, knew that one moment of distraction could be fatal.
Yea that's a subtle detail. :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on December 12, 2018, 02:31:38 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on December 12, 2018, 12:14:13 PM
Also I'd liike to point out that Bronn, almost casually, figured out exactly how to take out the Mountain while he was talking to Tyrion about how he wouldn't do it: "Maybe I could dance around him until he's tired, get him off his feet somehow"... which exactly the tactic used by Oberyn (with, on top, the cunning move of taunting him and pissing him off making him nervous and less lucid). And Bronn, also, knew that one moment of distraction could be fatal.

Didn't Bronn also say something similar to The Hound in season 2 about being quicker than him? :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 13, 2018, 01:53:58 AM: Anyway, let's remember the wise words of Oberyn:

(https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/today-is-not-the-day-i-die-oberyn-the-day-he-died.jpg)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 13, 2018, 03:51:07 AM: :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on December 17, 2018, 11:56:08 AM: :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 18, 2018, 08:28:30 AM: Began my re-watch last night....just did the first episode. It's odd seeing the Stark kids so young.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 18, 2018, 08:38:56 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on December 18, 2018, 08:28:30 AM
Began my re-watch last night....just did the first episode. It's odd seeing the Stark kids so young.

It's odder to see all the Starks alive.

;D
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 18, 2018, 10:10:02 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on December 18, 2018, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on December 18, 2018, 08:28:30 AM
Began my re-watch last night....just did the first episode. It's odd seeing the Stark kids so young.

It's odder to see all the Starks alive.

;D

:lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 19, 2018, 06:29:59 AM: Yea it was funny seeing them so young.

It's so diffrent seeing the seasons so close to eachother instead of a year gap between them. I've spent about 3 weeks watching the show up until The Battle of the Bastards which took me about 6 years the last time I saw it.

Speaking of, seeing tBotB was just as glorious as the last time I saw it. I love this shot so much, he knows he's doomed but will fight until the end no matter what.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/eh0Xf8DsBOGNUxYpxCFhCThnIAM=/0x0:1920x1080/920x613/filters:focal(1437x632:1743x938):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49896373/jonsnow.0.jpg)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2018, 06:38:01 AM: I’m quickly remembering why I (and most others) detested Geoffrey so much. What a little prick he is :lol I don’t think they could have cast a better actor to play him...that kid just nails it.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 19, 2018, 06:49:14 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2018, 06:38:01 AM
I’m quickly remembering why I (and most others) detested Geoffrey so much. What a little prick he is :lol I don’t think they could have cast a better actor to play him...that kid just nails it.
Yea i've never hated a TV or movie character as genuinely as that little shit. Luckily I haven't seen him in any other production because his face for me is forever recognized as that little shit in GoT. Great actor tho. :lol
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Post by: Bolsters on December 19, 2018, 06:58:26 AM: He was little kid in Batman Begins, but that's the only other thing I've seen him in.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2018, 07:07:14 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 19, 2018, 06:49:14 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2018, 06:38:01 AM
I’m quickly remembering why I (and most others) detested Geoffrey so much. What a little prick he is :lol I don’t think they could have cast a better actor to play him...that kid just nails it.
Yea i've never hated a TV or movie character as genuinely as that little shit. Luckily I haven't seen him in any other production because his face for me is forever recognized as that little shit in GoT. Great actor tho. :lol

I believe he quit acting after GOT. Went to school etc etc but I recall reading a few years back he has no interest in acting again anytime soon.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 19, 2018, 07:37:07 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2018, 06:38:01 AM
I’m quickly remembering why I (and most others) detested Geoffrey so much. What a little prick he is :lol

"He really was a cunt, wasn't he?"
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Post by: The Walrus on December 21, 2018, 06:19:31 PM: Alt Shift X recently put up an awesome video detailing the eastern world of Game of Thrones. I don't like the books of ASOIAF but the world GRRM has made fascinates me and this video makes me want to buy the World of ASOIAF book. I LOVE worldbuilding stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4J16GzUJ28
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Post by: ReaperKK on December 21, 2018, 06:20:15 PM: Making my way through GoT a second time and I have to say that it's almost better than the first go around. There is just so many little nuggets that foreshadow the future that you seem to forget (or at least I did)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 21, 2018, 09:21:45 PM: Quote from: ReaperKK on December 21, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
Making my way through GoT a second time and I have to say that it's almost better than the first go around. There is just so many little nuggets that foreshadow the future that you seem to forget (or at least I did)

I agree. I’m enjoying this rewatch thoroughly.
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Post by: Darkstarshades on December 22, 2018, 02:25:20 AM: This thread is seemingly nearing its end...
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 22, 2018, 02:47:00 AM: BTW, look at the date on the calendar. Eventually, the Starks are always right.

;D
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Post by: faizoff on December 22, 2018, 08:13:43 AM: Quote from: ReaperKK on December 21, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
Making my way through GoT a second time and I have to say that it's almost better than the first go around. There is just so many little nuggets that foreshadow the future that you seem to forget (or at least I did)
I've watched the show over at least 5 times and I always love listening to the conversations from the first 3 seasons. On first viewing, they didn't mean much but there is so much stuff in there that comes later on or foreshadows events. It's always a joy to revisit those episodes and the dialog.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 22, 2018, 08:44:27 AM: Quote from: faizoff on December 22, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
Quote from: ReaperKK on December 21, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
Making my way through GoT a second time and I have to say that it's almost better than the first go around. There is just so many little nuggets that foreshadow the future that you seem to forget (or at least I did)
I've watched the show over at least 5 times and I always love listening to the conversations from the first 3 seasons. On first viewing, they didn't mean much but there is so much stuff in there that comes later on or foreshadows events. It's always a joy to revisit those episodes and the dialog.
Yea i've seen so many nuggetz and hints I was oblivious to before, almost to the point I was like, this is actually too obvious now. :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 23, 2018, 12:37:43 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 22, 2018, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: faizoff on December 22, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
Quote from: ReaperKK on December 21, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
Making my way through GoT a second time and I have to say that it's almost better than the first go around. There is just so many little nuggets that foreshadow the future that you seem to forget (or at least I did)
I've watched the show over at least 5 times and I always love listening to the conversations from the first 3 seasons. On first viewing, they didn't mean much but there is so much stuff in there that comes later on or foreshadows events. It's always a joy to revisit those episodes and the dialog.
Yea i've seen so many nuggetz and hints I was oblivious to before, almost to the point I was like, this is actually too obvious now. :lol

So true. I just finished Season 1 last night and I had never watched any of those episodes more than once. Such a cool experience the second time.

Concerning the death of Khal Drogo....my first watch I was just under the impression he died of infection of that chest wound. But, on my second watch having paid more attention to the conversation between Dany and that slave Witch who treated him.....I get the impression that the Witch intentionally killed him? Is that the correct way to look at that?

And I LOVE this show to death....but there is a definite difference in the dialogue and the ‘quality’ of it from when the show had the source material to refer to compared to when they just have this ‘road map’ that Martin gave them and not any cannon material to use.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 23, 2018, 12:54:30 PM: I didn't rewatch it yet but if I remember correctly yes, the witch all but confirmed that she killed Khal Drogo when she taunted Dany by telling her to "take a look at life and see what life is worth when everything else is gone", because the Dothraki destroyed her city and raped her and killed her husband. She offed him and have Dany miscarry on purpouse.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 23, 2018, 12:57:47 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on December 23, 2018, 12:54:30 PM
I didn't rewatch it yet but if I remember correctly yes, the witch all but confirmed that she killed Khal Drogo when she taunted Dany by telling her to "take a look at life and see what life is worth when everything else is gone", because the Dothraki destroyed her city and raped her and killed her husband. She offed him and have Dany miscarry on purpouse.

That’s the way I took it on the second watch....and honestly, I don’t know how I didn’t see it/realize that the first time :lol For whatever reason I just thought he caught an infection from that blade and died in a silly way like Robert did from the Boar hunt.

Had he refused to get ‘help’ for the wound like he initially intended he’d have been fine.
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Post by: ReaperKK on December 23, 2018, 03:35:34 PM: I thought the same thing the first watch. It was a simple infection that brought him down.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 06, 2019, 12:57:17 PM: This re-watch I'm on has been incredible. I'm enjoying it more this second time through these episodes than I did the first time. Picking up to subtleties and nuances that were there but went unnoticed by me the first time.

I have Ep. 9 and 10 of season three tonight to watch. The 'Red Wedding'....can't wait to see it again. And, watching the season through this second time there are plenty of clues there to elude to the horror that is the Red Wedding. The manner in which Bolton was acting....Tywin busily sending out scroll after scroll to 'unknown' recipients.....the Faith that was lost in Robb when he wed the Nurse and became 'distracted' and the fact that Catlyn let Jaime go. It's all there written on the wall that something 'big' was coming....a mutiny of sorts but I never suspected it the first viewing because it's so subtle.
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Post by: Adami on January 06, 2019, 12:59:37 PM: So season 8 comes out in April eh?

Hmm. Yea, might have to do a re-watch. It'll be interesting seeing the show change from a complex political thriller almost to basically a big action show about dragons.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 06, 2019, 01:12:57 PM: Quote from: Adami on January 06, 2019, 12:59:37 PM
So season 8 comes out in April eh?

Hmm. Yea, might have to do a re-watch. It'll be interesting seeing the show change from a complex political thriller almost to basically a big action show about dragons.

The big difference I see is the content of the dialogue between characters from the early season to the past couple.....especially season 7. I’m guessing that has to do with lack of source material but whatever it is......these exchanges between characters early on are clever and pointed and not washed down.

And you’re right about the political thriller tag. I had forgotten that as well.....how enthralling this battle for power was early on in the show.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on January 06, 2019, 01:29:40 PM: I still enjoy the show and everything, but I vastly prefer the earlier seasons.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 06, 2019, 01:57:25 PM: Season 1 was also, in a way, a mystery murder drama... only that the investigator lost his head before justice could come for the killers (oh, with the actual killers not revealed for some other more seasons).
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Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2019, 09:05:01 AM: The show certainly changed over time and a lot of that does have to do without being able to pull scenes and dialogue from the books, but also because they have to get to a resolution and they had to up the pace. I think around season 4 or something may have been the best of both worlds where the pacing was quick but the dialogue and scenes still had their time to develop. Obviously the first season is amazing as well, I really enjoy the entire series so far even with the changes they've had to make along the way.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 07, 2019, 09:08:53 AM: I agree, Season 4 was fantastic through and through. I still remember by heart big chunkes of dialogue, such as Tyrion's wonderful rant at his trial or his discussion with Oberyn in the cell.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 07, 2019, 09:22:37 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on January 07, 2019, 09:08:53 AM
I agree, Season 4 was fantastic through and through. I still remember by heart big chunkes of dialogue, such as Tyrion's wonderful rant at his trial or his discussion with Oberyn in the cell.

Just finished Season 3 last night and looking forward to Season 4.

It was cool to watch the Red Wedding again after all that time. Still just as shocking but as I mentioned earlier the show did a good job of hinting that 'something' was afoot for most of the season.

I had forgotten how many times Tyrion had threatened Geoffry's life in front of everyone......even though he was 'joking' and trying to be smug......which gave/gives great credence to him being responsible for the poisoning of Geoffry.
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Post by: ariich on January 07, 2019, 12:11:39 PM: Yeah season 4 remains the best and season 5 the worst.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2019, 12:13:44 PM: Quote from: ariich on January 07, 2019, 12:11:39 PM
Yeah season 4 remains the best and season 5 the worst.

Yea season 5 is the worst. But when I re-watched last year I enjoyed it much more as it really is more of the build up of the beginning of the end and in doing so, introduced new characters and story and since some of this was pulling from the worst of GRRM's material as well as being the beginning of figuring things out themselves, they didn't have it easy to make that season and it shows.
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Post by: kaos2900 on January 07, 2019, 12:31:31 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 06, 2019, 12:57:17 PM
This re-watch I'm on has been incredible. I'm enjoying it more this second time through these episodes than I did the first time. Picking up to subtleties and nuances that were there but went unnoticed by me the first time.

I have Ep. 9 and 10 of season three tonight to watch. The 'Red Wedding'....can't wait to see it again. And, watching the season through this second time there are plenty of clues there to elude to the horror that is the Red Wedding. The manner in which Bolton was acting....Tywin busily sending out scroll after scroll to 'unknown' recipients.....the Faith that was lost in Robb when he wed the Nurse and became 'distracted' and the fact that Catlyn let Jaime go. It's all there written on the wall that something 'big' was coming....a mutiny of sorts but I never suspected it the first viewing because it's so subtle.

I can't wait to re-watch but I'm waiting until after watching the final season so I can catch as many nuances as possible.
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Post by: soupytwist on January 09, 2019, 05:59:19 AM: Quote from: ariich on January 07, 2019, 12:11:39 PM
Yeah season 4 remains the best and season 5 the worst.

4>3>6>1>7>2>5

Something like that. Season 5 is still generally really good TV (the last 3 episodes are fantastic). Dorne stuff and Arya's training aren't the show at it's best though.
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Post by: krands85 on January 09, 2019, 06:37:13 AM: I've no idea how I'd rank the seasons, or even which one is my favourite, but season 5 is definitely the weakest. I was so disappointed with it and was beginning to worry about the quality of future seasons, but they bounced back nicely I think.

EDIT:
Hardhome was sensational though.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 09, 2019, 06:49:53 AM: Yeah, Hardhome was awesome also because it wasn't expected. It seemed just random pacing, let's check up with Jon Snow in the north... he's on a diplomatic mission, I guess they'll talk it over and decide something and then we move on uh wait what's happening oh shit oh shit this is not cool OMFG WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING PLZ GOD MAKE IT STOP I HAVE PTSD FFS!!!

:lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 09, 2019, 08:38:43 AM: Yea the last scene when Jon gets eye contact with the Night King is epic.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 09, 2019, 08:40:06 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/3OJaHOe.png)
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 10, 2019, 02:20:50 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on January 09, 2019, 06:49:53 AM
Yeah, Hardhome was awesome also because it wasn't expected. It seemed just random pacing, let's check up with Jon Snow in the north... he's on a diplomatic mission, I guess they'll talk it over and decide something and then we move on uh wait what's happening oh shit oh shit this is not cool OMFG WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING PLZ GOD MAKE IT STOP I HAVE PTSD FFS!!!

:lol

This exactly.....
I thought we were checking with Jon and moving on.....what an incredible ending to an episode. Season 5 may be the worst as a whole but it sure as hell had a high peak.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2019, 02:23:39 PM: I think Season 5 also comes off better on a rewatch with season 6 after, season 5 just starts so slow and introduces new characters and it's really not that good, but comes off so much better when you start to see the pay offs of those storylines that were building in those early episodes.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 10, 2019, 02:34:10 PM: I think something also working against season 5 was the finale. We all knew that Jon was coming back. We all knew that Arya wasn't going to stay blind. And for the love of the Lord of light, if you're going to kill off Stannis Baratheon, do it on camera!
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 11, 2019, 07:15:27 AM: I just finished rewatching Season 3. I completely forgot how brutal the Red Wedding is. Absolutely demoralizing and terrifying. Can't wait to start Season 4 soon.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 11, 2019, 08:51:25 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on January 11, 2019, 07:15:27 AM
I just finished rewatching Season 3. I completely forgot how brutal the Red Wedding is. Absolutely demoralizing and terrifying. Can't wait to start Season 4 soon.

I thought the same thing. The anticipation once Catlyn figured out what was going on only moments before....that was tough.

I'm waiting to start on Season 4 until after I watch second season of Punisher which comes out next friday. Gonna roll through 4, 5, 6 and 7 after that leading into 8. Shoot....I did the first three seasons in three weeks once I started again. :lol I wasn't prepared to get so 'hooked' again and just railed through them.
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Post by: Chino on January 11, 2019, 11:47:46 AM: The Red Wedding episode aired several months before I started watching GOT. I heard so much about that scene no matter what I was doing in life. It was on the radio, on forums, on social media... everywhere.

When watching that scene for the first time, it never occurred to me that that was what I was watching. I was on pins and needles the whole time and then a blood bath happened. Once the dust settled, I remember thinking to myself "OHHHHH. I get it now". Then I felt empty inside for the rest of the night.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 11, 2019, 12:01:48 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 11, 2019, 08:51:25 AM
I'm waiting to start on Season 4 until after I watch second season of Punisher which comes out next friday.

I lied. At home today due to a snow storm that's just starting to roll through StL and figured 'what the heck'....I can jam out season 4 before next Friday. Just watched the first two episodes.

I remember Geoffrey being a dick to Tyrion at the Royal Wedding but man....not THAT big of a dick. Geesh... It was great to finally see him die :lol They did such a great job of capturing all the essence of just how cruel and ignorant and what an 'animal' of a person Geoffrey was leading up to him being poisoned. It took you right up to the point of thinking you couldn't hate him any more than that then.....the opposite of the Red Wedding you get this huge satisfying death.

Oh and....I had also forgotten just how awesome the Hound is. Such a great character. Going to enjoy this Arya/Hound arc again :tup
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 12, 2019, 09:20:22 AM: We got about 7-8” of snow yesterday so.....i ended up jamming through all of seeaon 4 yesterday. :lol
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 14, 2019, 09:08:35 AM: I started Season 4 over the weekend. Trying to limit myself to one episode per day, just to stretch things out a little. The wifey, who is going through GOT for the first time, enjoyed the Joffrey death episode. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2019, 09:09:34 AM: April 14th is coming
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Post by: Adami on January 14, 2019, 11:53:20 AM: Interesting new teaser/whatever. It's basically if the Starks were in the movie The Day After Tomorrow.
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Post by: Chris Hinton on January 14, 2019, 12:35:11 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 12, 2019, 09:20:22 AM
We got about 7-8” of snow yesterday so.....i ended up jamming through all of seeaon 4 yesterday. :lol

Winter is here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 14, 2019, 12:39:35 PM: Quote from: Adami on January 14, 2019, 11:53:20 AM
Interesting new teaser/whatever. It's basically if the Starks were in the movie The Day After Tomorrow.

And in true internet form there is already a 'theory' based off of that teaser (which appears to be just promotional footage shot...not a 'real part of any episode) that both Arya and Sansa's stone likenesses are of them 'younger' which means they die......and Jon's looks much older so he must live?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on January 14, 2019, 01:00:43 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 14, 2019, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: Adami on January 14, 2019, 11:53:20 AM
Interesting new teaser/whatever. It's basically if the Starks were in the movie The Day After Tomorrow.

And in true internet form there is already a 'theory' based off of that teaser (which appears to be just promotional footage shot...not a 'real part of any episode) that both Arya and Sansa's stone likenesses are of them 'younger' which means they die......and Jon's looks much older so he must live?

Well that's just silly. It's obvious that they're in the world of Day After Tomorrow and Jake Gyllenall will save them shortly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 14, 2019, 01:36:22 PM: Quote from: Adami on January 14, 2019, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 14, 2019, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: Adami on January 14, 2019, 11:53:20 AM
Interesting new teaser/whatever. It's basically if the Starks were in the movie The Day After Tomorrow.

And in true internet form there is already a 'theory' based off of that teaser (which appears to be just promotional footage shot...not a 'real part of any episode) that both Arya and Sansa's stone likenesses are of them 'younger' which means they die......and Jon's looks much older so he must live?

Well that's just silly. It's obvious that they're in the world of Day After Tomorrow and Jake Gyllenall will save them shortly.

dude....spoiler alert!!! C'mon!!!!
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Post by: Chino on January 15, 2019, 06:16:21 AM: Do you guys think both Stark girls are going to make it out of the series alive?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 06:31:57 AM: Quote from: Chino on January 15, 2019, 06:16:21 AM
Do you guys think both Stark girls are going to make it out of the series alive?

The nature of the show would make you think one or both will die. But, I could totally understand a scenario where Sansa ends up on the Iron Throne just due to all the crap she’s endured. She’s been freaking hammered in this show.....it’d be poetic justice for her to end up ruler.

Arya’s story kind of feels over already. Outside of her killing the hound and/or Cersei......her list is near complete.....she’s avenged Rob and her mom.....and played a hand in getting Little Finger killed. There’s not a whole lot left for her so I could see her being killed by a White Walker.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 15, 2019, 06:39:15 AM: Sophie Turner actually hopes that Sansa dies, because "what's the point of being in Game of Thrones if you don't get a kickass death scene?"... I hope she's wrong however :lol

I like the idea of Sansa coming out unscathed after all she's been through. Her virginity also lasted incredibly long - she's going to be married to Joffrey but no, wedding canceled, she's married to Tyrion but he doesn't want to do it against her will, and so on... a pity she had to lose it with Ramsay, and in such a humiliating way.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2019, 06:46:11 AM: Yea, I could see both dying easily, or one surviving. I feel it's more unlikely that neither of them die. Both of their story's have seemed to run to the end, but then again that's pretty much the same for everyone as we approach the end.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 15, 2019, 06:52:24 AM: Thinking about it now... the death of one of them could serve to impress more the menace of the White Walkers. It's obvious they're gonna take over most of Westeros and so if they storm Winterfell and in the ensuing battle either Sansa or Arya dies, it really drivers the point home, "they're the ultimate foe".
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Post by: Chino on January 15, 2019, 07:12:19 AM: Arya having to fight out a white walking Sansa would be a hell of a scene.
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Post by: Adami on January 15, 2019, 07:34:47 AM: Quote from: Chino on January 15, 2019, 07:12:19 AM
Arya having to fight out a white walking Sansa would be a hell of a scene.

Or if Arya becomes a white walker and then kills Cersie but can't get any joy out of it because she dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 08:20:58 AM: I’m still of the belief that Jamie will be the one who kills Cersi.
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Post by: Chino on January 15, 2019, 08:25:40 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 08:20:58 AM
I’m still of the belief that Jamie will be the one who kills Cersi.

I would love to see that, but I feel it's a tad too cliche. I could see him letting her die though. Like she gets in trouble and he just stands there, eyes locked watching her die in agony.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2019, 08:32:14 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 08:20:58 AM
I’m still of the belief that Jamie will be the one who kills Cersi.

It is his prophecy and so far the prophecies have been true. I just wonder because Cersei is also on Arya's list so I wonder which of those two will actually do it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 08:38:30 AM: Quote from: Chino on January 15, 2019, 08:25:40 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 08:20:58 AM
I’m still of the belief that Jamie will be the one who kills Cersi.

I would love to see that, but I feel it's a tad too cliche. I could see him letting her die though. Like she gets in trouble and he just stands there, eyes locked watching her die in agony.

I agree it'd seem 'easy' or cliche....but as cramx says....it has been a prophecy, so I wouldn't mind it. I think it'd also 'fit' Jamie's story more than Arya's per say. I could see your scenario working to fulfill the prophecy though.....like he has every ability to 'save' her but just refuses to....just lets her get killed/die in lieu of helping/saving her.

But it wouldn't shock me if he shoved a sword through her back as well as she was about to kill Tyrion or Jon or Dany...etc etc.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on January 15, 2019, 08:42:44 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: Chino on January 15, 2019, 08:25:40 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 08:20:58 AM
I’m still of the belief that Jamie will be the one who kills Cersi.

I would love to see that, but I feel it's a tad too cliche. I could see him letting her die though. Like she gets in trouble and he just stands there, eyes locked watching her die in agony.

I agree it'd seem 'easy' or cliche....but as cramx says....it has been a prophecy, so I wouldn't mind it. I think it'd also 'fit' Jamie's story more than Arya's per say. I could see your scenario working to fulfill the prophecy though.....like he has every ability to 'save' her but just refuses to....just lets her get killed/die in lieu of helping/saving her.

But it wouldn't shock me if he shoved a sword through her back as well as she was about to kill Tyrion or Jon or Dany...etc etc.

Did the prophecy specifically say Jaime would be the one to kill her, or just a brother?
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 15, 2019, 08:48:43 AM: The "little brother", Cersei of course assumed Tyrion, but Jaimie is seconds younger.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2019, 09:26:23 AM: Quote from: Chino on January 15, 2019, 08:42:44 AM
Did the prophecy specifically say Jaime would be the one to kill her, or just a brother?

MirrorMask hit it. It never specifies and I think Cersi is assuming it's Tyrion. I'd assume Jamie if not for any other reason than the fact that it'd 'make sense' it'd be him with the way the story is being told. But....who knows....she may survive and be the last one standing :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on January 15, 2019, 09:33:12 AM: I think Olenna spilling the beans about Joffrey to Jamie was also a clue that he will turn on her
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 18, 2019, 02:39:53 AM: Still undecided about a full rewatch, in the meantime I kill downtime at work browsing through the Wikiquote of GoT.

Two things from earlier seasons stand out, to join the line of how little details are now more significant:

- When Melisandre and Stannis argue about what to do with the siege of King's Landing, she says "I have been fighting this war longer than you". Absolutely a throwaway line at the time, but now thinking back of the scene where she removes her magical collar..... wow! she was absolutely literal saying that!

- The dumb nephew of Brynden Tully, who acted of his own mind to pointlessly scare away the Mountain, to which Robb Stark replies: "I wanted to draw the Mountain into the west, into our country where we could surround him and kill him. I wanted him to chase us, which he would have done because he is a mad dog without a strategic thought in his head. I could have that head on a spike by now. Instead, I have a mill."

Damn you Edmure! Aside from going down in history as the one who was the excuse for the Red Wedding, you could have gotten the Mountain killed if you obeyed your orders! No Mountain, no undefeatable foe for Oberyn during the trial by combat! (Yeah, I still mourn that badass bisexual poisonous poet motherfucker of a prince).

Anyway, trying to imagine an alternate scenario with happy endings, can you imagine Oberyn actually killing the Mountain? he does not lower his guard, maybe - what I would have done - starts to pierce the limbs of the Mountain cutting him a finger or a hand, until he growns out in agony that Tywin Lannister ordered him to butcher the children, to which Oberyn replies with a wry smile "Thank you. What I always known deep inside me" and then brutally stabs him in the eye, and then tosses his blood soaked spear at the foot of Tywin, says "you're gonna hear from my family soon" and grabs his spouse, kisses her passionately and walks away, saying with his back turned, almost as a throwaway, "oh, and the dwarf is free".

That would have been cheesy but glorious :lol but full in character for Oberyn I guess...
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Post by: DragonAttack on January 22, 2019, 03:02:28 AM: :tup
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 22, 2019, 06:49:47 AM: I just finished my rewatch of Season 4. Great stuff. I will say, however, that The Mountain and the Viper was an incredibly hard episode for me to watch. Many people point to the Red Wedding as the most demoralizing event in the show, but for whatever reason, what happens to Oberyn hits me a thousand times harder. The first time I saw it, I genuinely wondered whether it was worth watching the show anymore because it hit a new low point in terms of screwing with my emotions. Interestingly, Mrs. TOX had a similar reaction - The next episode, she said, "If Sam dies, I'm done." :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 22, 2019, 07:11:32 AM: I feel you for the death of Oberyn. Time and again I rewatch the fight, and I have to stop before the end. Dunno, maybe we thought that the Red Wedding prepared us for anything, and seeing how that wasn't true, hit harder.

Anyway, I gave in and I joined on the rewatch bandwagon.

Some observations about season 1:

- As everyone said, it's basically a new show knowing everyone and who's who.

- Arya was adorable and cute! and yet, when she was relentlessly stabbing the table in frustration, she said "I'm training for when I'll stab Joffrey" (after the direwolves incident). Maybe she didn't really, really mean it, but still... it showed that some kind of darkness, a violent darkness, was always in her, waiting to come out.

- Gods Sansa was dumb. But she was a naive teenager after all.

- Ned and Cat... a beautiful couple but maybe too stubborn for their own good? Cat seizing Tyrion blindly believing Littlefinger's story was not her smartest move, and Ned was so righteous with Jaimie.

- Speaking of Jaimie... dunno, maybe I'm biased by his character growth, but he didn't really seem this much of an asshole. Ok, he showed Bran down the tower, and that's a big no no, but when he was talking about the Mad King, with Ned and with King Robert, he was sincere. His story, the one he told to Brienne, was always there for anyone who'd have cared to look past the smug facade. He even correctly pointed out that Theon Greyjoy was an asshole.

- The whole "Kill Daenerys" thing... was Robert SO wrong about it? I mean, let's forget that she's a pivotal character, solely from Robert's perspective, was it so cruel to kill a young girl and prevent from the beginning a possible invasion with a Dothraki army, which is exactly what happened in later seasons? let's imagine that for whatever reason Robert keeps the throne, eventually Dany has her own journey and does what actually happens in the end, comes to Westeros with a bigass army. Was Robert so nedlessly cruel and wrong in wanting to off her right then at the beginning?

- I couldn't even remember poor, sweet, naive and scared Dany. And naked Dany of course ;D she really learnt quickly however, "He was no dragon, fire cannot kill a dragon" was the first of many badass lines to come from her.

- Viserys was the wimpy and whiny wannabe I remembered him to be.

- Cersei as well was and still is the goddamn cruel bitch I remembered her to be ;D
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 22, 2019, 08:24:35 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on January 22, 2019, 06:49:47 AM
I just finished my rewatch of Season 4. Great stuff. I will say, however, that The Mountain and the Viper was an incredibly hard episode for me to watch. Many people point to the Red Wedding as the most demoralizing event in the show, but for whatever reason, what happens to Oberyn hits me a thousand times harder. The first time I saw it, I genuinely wondered whether it was worth watching the show anymore because it hit a new low point in terms of screwing with my emotions. Interestingly, Mrs. TOX had a similar reaction - The next episode, she said, "If Sam dies, I'm done." :lol

Same. I recall the first time I watched it thinking this would truly be the first 'good' thing that will happen on the show. When the mountain was down and Oberyn was 'in control'.....I felt like Jamie did.....I was smiling, happy and surprised. It's a testament to the show on how quickly they turned the tide there. That was utterly brutal....and quick....it happened in a span of ten seconds. The Red Wedding once it started was a few minutes of WTF???.....Oberyn's demise was so fast it was just shocking and breathtaking all at once.

And....count me in as one of those who believe that the final scene will be an image of Sam finishing up writing 'The Song of Fire and Ice' as he's been the one 'narrating/dictating' this story all along as an old Meister.
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Post by: Progmetty on February 03, 2019, 06:51:23 AM: Yesterday I was watching a book discussion on c-span with a Brad Meltzer about his book The First Conspiracy: The Secret Plot to Kill George Washington and one of the things he said was how both the loyalists and the crown thought the rebellion would collapse onto itself if Washington is killed, the thought sounded so familiar but I couldn't put my finger on why. This morning I realized it's cause it reminded me of Mance Rayder :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 04, 2019, 02:01:37 AM: That was in the episode I've just seen, I'm in the middle of a rewatch of Season 2.

I love Arya, but damn she really dropped the ball at Harrenhall with Jaqen offering to help her.

"You saved three people from fire, the god of death is owed three lives"
"Meaning?"
"Well, three people survived because of you, so to repay you, I will kill three people for you"
"So in this castle, where Tywin Lannister himself is present, you can kill any three persons I name?"
"Yes"
"Ok, kill the random asshole who interrogates prisoners"

GODDAMITT ARYA!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 04, 2019, 05:12:01 AM: There was a delicate trust bond forming between Arya and Tywinn during that second season. He sort of respected her. Did he suspect who she was?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on February 04, 2019, 06:01:01 AM: No, he would have never let her get away.

It's Littlefinger who probably recognized her, but didn't say anything because he's a master troll and thought "why bother, maybe she poisons him or something and then more chaos to take advantage of".
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Post by: faizoff on February 04, 2019, 04:07:56 PM: Little finger does mention to Sansa that he saw Arya in season 3 I believe.
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Post by: Progmetty on February 04, 2019, 09:55:56 PM: I don't think he recognized her.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 05, 2019, 03:06:19 PM: Anyway, finished my rewatch of season 2, some musings with the benefit of added knowledge:

- The pacing was weird. At times it felt slow, and at other times it felt "We need to touch upon this character and that one and this one too and don't forget also that one". I assume watching one episode per week was relatively frustrating. Take Dany's arc for example - all she does is going from the desert to a city, lose her dragons, get back her dragons. All spread across 10 episodes. Too much too cover, and too many quick scenes - by visiting briefly everyone, the plot of all the story advanced for all very slow.
- For the whole "mystery" about Theon's captor in season 3, it was not even just foreshadowed, but it was blatantly told twice that the bastard of Roose Bolton would have been charged with taking back Winterfell.
- Speaking of the whole Winterfell debacle.... Balon Grejoy is a major dick. A bitter man still obsessed with pillaging and paying the iron price and whatever too proud and too stupid to realize he didn't have the numbers to start the rebellion that got his sons killed. And when Theon called him out on that - loosing, having to give Theon away and then taking it out on him - he slapped him. Truth hurts Baleon, uh?
- For all the hate I have for Cersei, she was actually nice for once with Sansa after she got her first period. And it was glorious and borderline unintended comic relief see her drink herself to a nihilistic stupidity during the battle of Blackwater, I want a spinoff of a drunken Cersei being pissed at everyone and everybody :lol
- Always Cersei: "Do you know why Varys is the most dangerous man? because he doesn't have a cock". True that. Look how good Jon and Robb's cocks did to them - Jon saw a pretty redhead and couldn't execute her, getting himself captured and the whole band of the Halfhand annihilated in return; Robb gets the hots for the fist random pretty girl he sees and starts the chain of events that gets him and everyone he knew killed. Congratulations, bros.
- Back in season 1 Jon said casually (or someone else at the walls) "One blast. One is for rangers returning". A throwaway line back then, but knowing now what two blasts and especially THREE blast means... (the final shot of the season, Sam seeing the army of the wights).
- Fuck the king.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 05, 2019, 03:21:13 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on February 05, 2019, 03:06:19 PM
- For the whole "mystery" about Theon's captor in season 3, it was not even just foreshadowed, but it was blatantly told twice that the bastard of Roose Bolton would have been charged with taking back Winterfell.

Yup, I always wondered why people felt this was a mystery at the time, like while it was flat out said in season 2 who was going there, I think it was kind of a throw away line at the time. Like most people didn't even have Roose Bolton as someone major during Season 2 so his conversation was probably not scene as terribly important at the time. It sticks out like a sore nose on a rewatch though.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 06, 2019, 06:46:55 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on February 05, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on February 05, 2019, 03:06:19 PM
- For the whole "mystery" about Theon's captor in season 3, it was not even just foreshadowed, but it was blatantly told twice that the bastard of Roose Bolton would have been charged with taking back Winterfell.

Yup, I always wondered why people felt this was a mystery at the time, like while it was flat out said in season 2 who was going there, I think it was kind of a throw away line at the time. Like most people didn't even have Roose Bolton as someone major during Season 2 so his conversation was probably not scene as terribly important at the time. It sticks out like a sore nose on a rewatch though.

My first watch of the show I was ‘surprised’ and taken off guard. But this recent re-watch I’ve been on.....you’re right......it stuck out big time. It was just a matter of really paying attention to the character dialogue.

I’ve just finished Season 5. Not the best season but a couple things that still brought chills to me was one....when Drogon rescues Dany at the fighting pits. That’s such a cool scene....his screech off in the distance just as Dany has conceded her life to the sons of the Harpey. Then his landing sequence and subsequent defense of her.....it was pretty sweet to see again.

And, obviously the battle at Hardhomme was just as good as the first time as well.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 06, 2019, 12:25:07 PM: I have to say that, even though "Fuck the king" made history, there's another line from the Hound, at the beginning of the meleè in the open field during the siege, that is priceless and awesome: "Anyone dies with a clean sword, I'll rape his fucking corpse!!!" :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on February 06, 2019, 07:18:59 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on February 06, 2019, 06:46:55 AM
I’ve just finished Season 5. Not the best season but a couple things that still brought chills to me was one....when Drogon rescues Dany at the fighting pits. That’s such a cool scene....his screech off in the distance just as Dany has conceded her life to the sons of the Harpey. Then his landing sequence and subsequent defense of her.....it was pretty sweet to see again.

And, obviously the battle at Hardhomme was just as good as the first time as well.

Season 5 was the first season I had anticipated, since I got into the show right as season 4 was ending (I got the first 3 seasons on blu-ray, which sold me). I enjoyed it a lot because it was my first season, but after seeing it a few times now, yeah, it is pretty slow. But I remember seeing that Drogon rescue scene for the first time and it gave me chills - all the build up, all Dany's been through, watching the dragons grow throughout the show, it's really powerful, and makes all the scenes in later seasons just as strong. They did a great job showing the maturation of the dragons, which to me helps indicate just how much time has passed since season 1. Lots of people think the show is going too fast these days but I think in general it's done a great job handling the passage of time. And the Hardhome scene - holy cow. One of my favorite moments in the show. Wasn't expecting it at all and it was shot beautifully. This show rules.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 14, 2019, 12:00:13 PM: I have stayed away from this topic for years. I work a lot overseas, and I will be honest, I have never seen an episode of GOT. I have heard it is great. So...................................... I got injured working and am out of commission for a while. I am divorced/single, so while on bedrest figured might as well start. Episode 1 up. I hope it lives up to what I have heard. I know NOTHING detail wise, so I hope it blows me away
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Post by: Chino on February 14, 2019, 12:04:05 PM: Quote from: The Trooper on February 14, 2019, 12:00:13 PM
I have stayed away from this topic for years. I work a lot overseas, and I will be honest, I have never seen an episode of GOT. I have heard it is great. So...................................... I got injured working and am out of commission for a while. I am divorced/single, so while on bedrest figured might as well start. Episode 1 up. I hope it lives up to what I have heard. I know NOTHING detail wise, so I hope it blows me away

If you find yourself wanting to give up around episode 6 or 7, tough it out until the end of the first season.

Have fun!
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Post by: The Trooper on February 14, 2019, 12:07:14 PM: Thanks. Noted. I am excited about doing a binge the next 4 days.

Would people mind if I comment on my experience?
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Post by: Chino on February 14, 2019, 12:10:20 PM: Not at all. Go for it. I love watching virgin watchers speculate.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 14, 2019, 12:11:12 PM: love the thought of having a new media experience with absolute no knowledge of it that will blow me away.

Ok thanks will do.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 14, 2019, 12:19:56 PM: Quote from: The Trooper on February 14, 2019, 12:07:14 PM
Would people mind if I comment on my experience?

Not all, always to fun to witness someone else's first experience! I'm on a rewatch too.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 14, 2019, 12:31:45 PM: ok I think it could be fun. again I know NOTHING about it but hype. so yes virgin
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Post by: pg1067 on February 14, 2019, 12:35:13 PM: Quote from: Chino on February 14, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
Quote from: The Trooper on February 14, 2019, 12:00:13 PM
I have stayed away from this topic for years. I work a lot overseas, and I will be honest, I have never seen an episode of GOT. I have heard it is great. So...................................... I got injured working and am out of commission for a while. I am divorced/single, so while on bedrest figured might as well start. Episode 1 up. I hope it lives up to what I have heard. I know NOTHING detail wise, so I hope it blows me away

If you find yourself wanting to give up around episode 6 or 7, tough it out until the end of the first season.

Agree. I didn't start watching until I think the off season between seasons 6 and 7. There are a LOT of characters who look similar (there are about 93 characters that can be described as "guy in his mid- to late 30s with dark hair and a beard"), and I found it very confusing to keep it straight who's who. Eventually it clears up (for the most part).
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Post by: faizoff on February 14, 2019, 09:39:36 PM: Quote from: The Trooper on February 14, 2019, 12:31:45 PM
ok I think it could be fun. again I know NOTHING about it but hype. so yes virgin

Speaking of personal experience, I started watching the show just before season 3 was about to air live. I didn't get what all the fuss was about, I mean yes it was good, but it wasn't this phenomenal amazing show that everyone seemed to be raving about. Season 1 was good, season 2 was good, season 3 was ... OMG HOLYSHITWHATTF :eek :omg: .... and then season 4 was when I truly got hooked into the show and I think it was really worth the wait. The first 3 seasons are amazing world building series and are very important to tell the overall story and direction it was headed.
If you enjoy dialogue driven shows with many character developments occurring over long stretches of the show, you will enjoy it. I would love to hear your thoughts as you are watching and any speculation you make. I think I've already seen this show 6 times front to back already. And have all the books... and audiobooks... and all season soundtracks... and all the season bluray boxsets.. ;D if you can't tell, I'm a fan of show.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 15, 2019, 05:33:26 AM: Watched the first 5 episodes. I kind of see that they are setting up for the bigger picture. So I get it that it is a little slow but that is fine. Nothing mind blowing yet.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 15, 2019, 05:50:48 AM: Hoping to finish season 1 and 2 today
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 15, 2019, 06:49:28 AM: I’m through season 6. Just Season 7 to go. Probably going to wait a week or two to dig into that one.

This re-watch has been awesome. What I did notice is that the Arya being trained as a Faceless man was far less boring to watch being that I was binge watching the episodes rather than having to wait a week.
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 15, 2019, 06:52:10 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on February 15, 2019, 06:49:28 AM
This re-watch has been awesome. What I did notice is that the Arya being trained as a Faceless man was far less boring to watch being that I was binge watching the episodes rather than having to wait a week.

Yeah, time flies so fast with the benefit of binge watching.

Spoilers (for The Trooper, quit reading now) from season 3 which I'm about to finish: it seemed to me that Jon's adventure with the wildlings lasted forever, but in reality it was pretty straightforward - he got captured by the wildlings, got introduced to Mance, told to climb the Wall, climbed the Wall and defected at the first chance.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 15, 2019, 07:43:13 AM: Home fries, bacon, eggs with hot sauce and starting my binge :metal
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 16, 2019, 04:58:21 AM: As for me, I'm finished with my season 3 rewatch, I'm watching a season every other week.

Some "now that I know it" considerations, obviously TROOPER AND ANYONE ELSE WHO HASN'T SEEN SEASON 3 AND FORWARD QUIT READING.

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- Totally forgot that Qyburn's first appearance was among the wounded survivors of Harrenhall.
- Poor, naive, afraid Sansa: in blurting out to Olenna (all hail Olenna) and Margaery that Joffrey was a major asshole, he set the first step of her revenge, with Olenna deciding Joffrey had to be taken out. You helped avenge your father, Sansa, and you didn't even know it back then!
- Some misdirection about Ramsay's identity: Robb received news that "when the bastard of Bolton arrived at Winterfell, everyone was gone and the place was in ruins". D'uh. He's the one who caused all of that in the first place. Also, a clever hidden reveal when Ramsay pretends to free Theon, and then kills one by one his pursuers: the last one before dying says in hateful contempt "you little bastard", it was not just an insult, but a proper definition.
- Classic moment: Jaimie Lannister getting his hand chopped off, and then the moshpit starts with the punk version of The Bear and the Maiden Fair :metal
- Another classic moment: Daenerys going all Dracarys in Astapor, kicking all kind of possible asses. I guess we all agree this is one of the best "HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT WAS AWESOME" moments of the series!
- Edmund Tally is one of the worst idiots of the show. He first appears failing to hit his uncle's funeral ship with flaming arrows (which the Blackfish manages to do at the first try without even looking if he had actually shot right, he knew he did - badass), and then does a major screwup conquering a mill the Mountain was holding, which results in:
1) The Mountain not being captured and killed, which would have left Cersei without an unbeatable champion, and Oberyn Martell therefore surviving;
2) 200 men lost, adding to the discontent and sense of not being able to make it to Robb's army;
3) The capture of the Lannister boys that got killed in retalation, prompting Robb to execute the old Karstark (well, his decision, but still...) and losing all of the Karstark bannermen.

WHAT A DICK. He almost single-handedly lost the war for Robb with a single reckless attack. And in turn he both got laid and survived at the Red Wedding.

- Speaking of the Red Wedding... I guess that Roose Bolton allowing Jaimie Lannister to go back to King's Landing was a HUGE red flag about his alliances. Probably it was masked well enough for non book readers because he refused to release Brienne, charging her with treason and therefore showing some kind of loyalty to Robb, and anyway he was an enigmatic character enough, seen rarely, to have people go "yeah, whatever" at his choices. But still, with the benefit of knowledge, that was veeery suspicious.
- All the pain and grief that the Red Wedding brought was discussed at length, so I'll just point out a small comical moment: when Edmund sees his bride, sees she's smoking hot, and Walder looks at Robb with a smirk that says just with the eyes "See, asshole, what you missed out?".... you could almost like Walder there if not for, you know.... *remembers The Rains of Castamere starting to play* *cuddles up and tries not to cry* *cries a lot*

Anyway, the Red Wedding qualifies as "most exciting Dothraki wedding ever" :biggrin:
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Post by: The Trooper on February 16, 2019, 08:53:34 AM: Finished season 2. Going to start 3 and hopefully finish today.

I'll be honest, it feels like they are still setting up ALOT of things. It is keeping my interest. Nothing mind blowing yet so I am hoping to get to that point. Going to binge again until my Vols take on Kentucky tonite in college b ball.

Go Rocky Top!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 16, 2019, 09:07:35 AM: Quote from: The Trooper on February 16, 2019, 08:53:34 AM
Finished season 2. Going to start 3 and hopefully finish today.

I'll be honest, it feels like they are still setting up ALOT of things. It is keeping my interest. Nothing mind blowing yet so I am hoping to get to that point.

By the end of this season you will be forever hooked on this show.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 16, 2019, 09:10:08 AM: Giggity now. Thanks bro
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Post by: MirrorMask on February 16, 2019, 09:12:43 AM: Quote from: The Trooper on February 16, 2019, 08:53:34 AM
Nothing mind blowing yet so I am hoping to get to that point.

Careful what you wish :P

So far which ones are your favorite characters?
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Post by: The Trooper on February 16, 2019, 10:07:32 AM: Tyrion (S/P) seems a bit to be about himself and will fuck over anyone.

Jon Snow is interesting. I am going to assume a major role.

What I am actually amazed by is the , guessing subplots that I assume will fully show themselves as it goes on.

Solid writing, dialogue is great. Dialogue goes a long way with me. What made breaking Bad a great show.

I am getting REALLY pumped on this
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Post by: The Walrus on February 16, 2019, 10:29:26 AM: Glad you're enjoying the ride. As far as dialogue goes, I love Tywin Lannister for that. Great character, love to hate him.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 16, 2019, 11:34:32 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on February 16, 2019, 10:29:26 AM
Glad you're enjoying the ride. As far as dialogue goes, I love Tywin Lannister for that. Great character, love to hate him.

Very true. Every one of his scenes he has fantastic dialogue with whomever he’s involved with in that scene.

And for that matter.....although it’s not quite as ‘eloquent’ as Tywin...the Hound’s scenes and dialogue always stick out as ‘good’ to me.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 16, 2019, 06:22:16 PM: I just finished Season 6. This is my second time going through the series, and I have some thoughts. Spoilers ahead!

- I remembered Season 5 as the worst season, and I often read that it is generally considered the worst season, so I went into it thinking it would be the worst season. To my surprise, I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, albeit not as much as Season 4, which is my personal favorite.

- Tonight, we saw the second-last episode of Season 6. It was amazing. However, I must say that Season 6 has been by far and away my least favorite season. Mrs. TOX agrees. It is a very slow season, and it feels like they saved the really good stuff for the last few episodes.

- During Season 6, I noticed a lot of "buzzer beaters". Let me explain. Basically, there are a lot of instances where something happens at the last second that is meant to be a surprise and swing the moment a completely different way. For example, the Knight's Watch is about to burst into the room with dead Jon, and then an army arrives to save the day. Or they telegraph it to look like Danny is about to surrender to the slave masters, but then she laughs, gets on a dragon, and destroys them. Or Jon and Rikkon are about to touch hands, and then he gets hit with an arrow. Or... You get the point. Now, you might say that this kind of thing has always happened in Game of Thrones. And you are probably right. But in Season 6, it all feels a bit... I dunno… Cheaper. I think they really started to miss the influence of the books.

- Overall, the show is great, and it has been a blast going through it again. I am actually really excited for Season 7, which is very fast, after the relatively slow pace of the last two, IMO.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 17, 2019, 12:33:55 PM: Putting aside my GOT binge, Daytona 500 day,
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Post by: pg1067 on February 28, 2019, 06:08:56 PM: Some teaser comments from Emilia Clarke about how the show will end:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/tv/story/emilia-clarke-game-of-thrones-ending-will-shock-people/ar-BBU3HoL
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Post by: Adami on February 28, 2019, 06:10:52 PM: Doing a re-watch, finished the 1st season.

It's really amazing how....amazing this season is. The dialogue is just so...god....damn...sharp. I miss it so much. And it's crazy to see what happens, knowing how it ends by the 7th season. How everyone just assumes Varys is exactly like Littlefinger and only out to advance his own power. Dude outright says he serves the realm, and was totally honest.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 28, 2019, 08:10:52 PM: Yeah. The dialogue in the earlier seasons is SO good. You can tell when they’ve exhausted the source material and we’re goimg off of their own writing.

I still have Season 7 to go.....gonna wait another week or so then hammer it out.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 01, 2019, 08:25:00 AM: We watched the penultimate episode of Season 7 last night. While I really appreciate the fast pace of Season 7 after two relatively slower seasons, that episode just has too much going on for me, and there are a ton of "Why is he doing that?" moments. Like... Why didn't Jon just climb on the dragon when he had a chance? Why did the Night King throw his spear at the dragon that was flying instead of the one that was just chilling on the ground in front of him?

I enjoyed the episode, but it also might be my least favorite Thrones episode. I hate sounding like such a grouchy pants. Don't get me wrong... This is easily my favorite show of all-time. It's phenomenal. But that episode was a bit of a disaster, IMO.
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Post by: Adami on March 01, 2019, 08:59:02 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on March 01, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
We watched the penultimate episode of Season 7 last night. While I really appreciate the fast pace of Season 7 after two relatively slower seasons, that episode just has too much going on for me, and there are a ton of "Why is he doing that?" moments. Like... Why didn't Jon just climb on the dragon when he had a chance? Why did the Night King throw his spear at the dragon that was flying instead of the one that was just chilling on the ground in front of him?

I enjoyed the episode, but it also might be my least favorite Thrones episode. I hate sounding like such a grouchy pants. Don't get me wrong... This is easily my favorite show of all-time. It's phenomenal. But that episode was a bit of a disaster, IMO.

Because they're mostly concerned with "WOAH THAT'S SO AWESOME" moments these days. So, logic aside, they will go for those moments above the rest.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 01, 2019, 09:10:51 AM: When you’re the Night King and want to ‘flex’....you don’t take out the easy target. You throw that spear several hundred feet into the air at a moving target. THAT’S how you flex.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 01, 2019, 09:21:47 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on March 01, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
We watched the penultimate episode of Season 7 last night. While I really appreciate the fast pace of Season 7 after two relatively slower seasons, that episode just has too much going on for me, and there are a ton of "Why is he doing that?" moments. Like... Why didn't Jon just climb on the dragon when he had a chance? Why did the Night King throw his spear at the dragon that was flying instead of the one that was just chilling on the ground in front of him?

I enjoyed the episode, but it also might be my least favorite Thrones episode. I hate sounding like such a grouchy pants. Don't get me wrong... This is easily my favorite show of all-time. It's phenomenal. But that episode was a bit of a disaster, IMO.

Al in all it was a pretty rough episode. I've only seen it once.....will see it again here in a bit on my re-watch.....but I recall a few WTF moments of 'why' certain choices were made.....and I remember there was a large hub bub made of how the F Gendry could get back to rally help so quickly....
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Post by: The Walrus on March 01, 2019, 09:52:29 AM: I don't understand the hate for that episode. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback when you're not the guy in the frozen wastes in a do-or-die fight against undead and seemingly immortal ice monsters :) Yeah the flight times make no sense with the size of Westeros but other than that little quibble I think that is one of the best episodes of the entire series. I've watched it at least 8 times.
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Post by: faizoff on March 01, 2019, 11:27:05 AM: When I completed my rewatch of the series, episode 6 is the only episode I wish was split into at least two parts. I have zero issues with any of the plot lines or motivations that occur, I just think it would've benefitted from a longer build up for the second half of the episode. Heck if they had kept the final scene as the season finale, I would've had no issues either.

But I get they were trying to push things along and had limited time to get them done. The other annoyance I have with that episode is with all the last minute saves. It kinda ruins the moment a bit when they do it like 3 times in the same episode. Even with those minor gripes, it was still a solid episode.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 01, 2019, 03:35:14 PM: Some thoughts on season 4 since I finished rewatching it:

- I remember calling it my favorite season, and it still is, but as the other seasons, it has some slow moments. Like an album where maybe not every song is stellar, but the main songs are masterpiece, the season is carried by its majestic and defining moments: the Purple Wedding, Tyrion's trial (and especially his rant), everything with Oberyn in it.
- Alliser Thorne is a bitter asshole with PSTD (from the get go he bullies Jon Snow just because he grew up with lords... dude, he still decided to leave it all behind by his on accord - and one of the first things he does is terrorizing the new recruits saying how they had to eat their own dead on a mission behind the wall), but credit where credit is due, he was a damn fine commander during the siege at the Wall.
- Foreshadowing missed at the first time: when Joffrey and Margary are getting married and the septon says something equivalent of "no one dare to tear them asunder", guess on which lady the camera lingers?
- Always close your door when you're in the toilet. Always!
- Robb Stark in season 1: "If my demands are not met, I'll come south to see if Tywin Lannister really shits gold". Spoiler from the last episode: no, he doesn't ;D
- But more seriously, the finale was so packed, that the pivotal scene between Tyrion and Tywin felt rushed. Also, I understand cutting stuff and all of that, but even as a non book reader I knew the whole thing about Tysha. She was introduced, she was reminded of ("I was married once, do you remember?" "Only too well"), and then they do away with her. She could have beem mentioned again in place of the utterly, totally and completely pointless discussion about the dumb Lannister cousin that was smashing beetles - Tyrion reminisces about his life which could end, talks about Tysha, and Jaimie looks uneasy and embarassed, and when he frees Tyrion, he presses again the issue and he admits it. Uh well.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 04, 2019, 10:06:31 AM: Neat article about the upcoming battle in Season 8....nothing spoilerly about it.....nothing we don't know as far as the characters that are in Winterfell.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-thrones-director-actors-break-150057745.html
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 04, 2019, 11:11:32 AM: Really starting some serious itch for S08, can't wait!
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 04, 2019, 03:20:14 PM: Think of all the actors who know the story since months (probably a year actually) and they probably can't tell even their family that they died. Or survived. Or won the Iron Throne.

I bet at least some of them must enjoy reading all the theories online to see how wrong people are, or if someone actually got it right :lol
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Post by: Chino on March 05, 2019, 07:16:02 AM: I've read that HBO has characters that are dead/done filming still being paid to show up on set so those around them don't catch on.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 05, 2019, 07:19:12 AM: Ive avoided any articles about the new season to not be spoiled, even such clickbait articles like "look what sansa is wearing!" nah, I'm going to hold out in anticipation of the ending of my favorite TV show.

My coworker told me he read they wrote multiple endings and even filmed multiple endings just to throw people off who end up spoiling it. If that's true, that's pretty awesome on their part especially since shit got hacked last year and many spoiled themselves by watching ahead of time. HBO is trying hard to not let that happen.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 05, 2019, 07:32:44 AM: I remember.... damn, can't spell properly his name, so I won't write it wrong, the actor playing Jaimie said that he thought the "alternate endings filmed" thing was bogus because filming costs so much and there's no point in filming something you won't use. But that was back before Season 8 began filming so I don't know if they actually went through with it.

Maybe it costs a little less to pay actors to just show up... certainly the NDA they surely have signed will cost a lot more in comparison :lol
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Post by: pg1067 on March 05, 2019, 09:38:51 AM: Quote from: Chino on March 05, 2019, 07:16:02 AM
I've read that HBO has characters that are dead/done filming still being paid to show up on set so those around them don't catch on.

Given that filming wrapped 8 months ago, that seems a bit unlikely. ;D
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 05, 2019, 09:46:02 AM: Holy Cow at the new trailer!
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Post by: Chino on March 05, 2019, 11:43:14 AM: Quote from: pg1067 on March 05, 2019, 09:38:51 AM
Quote from: Chino on March 05, 2019, 07:16:02 AM
I've read that HBO has characters that are dead/done filming still being paid to show up on set so those around them don't catch on.

Given that filming wrapped 8 months ago, that seems a bit unlikely. ;D

I meant at the time :lol I believe Walking Dead did the same thing with a couple big names that got off'd
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 05, 2019, 11:47:55 AM: Mike Portnoy should have asked friends in the music business to be around him at the studios when he was keeping secret the Sons of Apollo lineup just to throw fans off.

:lol
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2019, 11:49:38 AM: I wonder how nuts they went. Like, maybe they filmed 6-8 different endings and just never told anyone what the real one is. That way only the directors/writers/editors etc know the actual ending, and not even the actors.

Still hoping Davos gets to ride a dragon.
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Post by: Chino on March 05, 2019, 11:57:49 AM: I want to see the dead Starks in the crypts rise and join the White Walkers on their way through Winterfell
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 05, 2019, 01:23:29 PM: Anyway, just saw the trailer: the entire Westeros is going to frozen shit, but Cersei still finds time to drink. Unbelievable :lol

(The scenes during the Blackwater battle when she's drunk like a sunk and trolls a scared Sansa talking about sex and pussy are glorious and an unintended comic relief)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 05, 2019, 01:58:22 PM: I think I will avoid the trailer, my hype can only go so far.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2019, 09:06:50 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 05, 2019, 01:58:22 PM
I think I will avoid the trailer, my hype can only go so far.

I said that this morning and I'm holding myself back. I expect to break once someone asks me to my face about the trailer :lol

Quote from: Chino on March 05, 2019, 11:57:49 AM
I want to see the dead Starks in the crypts rise and join the White Walkers on their way through Winterfell

There's definitely some interesting stuff to come out of the crypts I think. Being that the teaser focused on the crypts and it's believed that some old Stark secrets are likely hidden down there... but I didn't think of raising the dead. That would be interesting. We know Ned is down there, maybe Sean Bean is making a cameo this season.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 06, 2019, 09:11:08 AM: Ned Stark has been beheaded and his bones were delivered to Catelyn by Littlefinger (when she was camping with Renly's army) in a coffin / box too small to contain the remains of an adult man without a head. I assume there's a limit to the way a body can be useful even if restored to life.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2019, 09:19:47 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on March 06, 2019, 09:11:08 AM
Ned Stark has been beheaded and his bones were delivered to Catelyn by Littlefinger (when she was camping with Renly's army) in a coffin / box too small to contain the remains of an adult man without a head. I assume there's a limit to the way a body can be useful even if restored to life.

I forgot he was chopped up :lol I was thinking of the stone statue of him in the crypts we saw.

But we have seen the dead rise as skeletons so I guess if it has a head, it's possible for the other starks to rise.
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Post by: faizoff on March 11, 2019, 08:23:52 PM: The episode lengths were figured out and posted on reddit, looks like the last 3 episodes are going to be the longest.

E1 - 54min
E2 - 58min
E3 - 1hr
E4 - 1hr 18min
E5 - 1hr 20min
E6 - 1hr 20min

Total Runtime: 410min (6hr 50min)

Just over a month left.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2019, 02:11:56 AM: I've read that the Battle of Winterfell is the third episode.

I wonder how they'll "bide time" in the first two, I mean, the White Walkers breached the Wall and they're going south so it's gonna be a relatively short distance to Winterfell.

Anyway, anyone up for a game of who lives and who dies? there are already on the web graphics to print to mark your choices ;D
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Post by: lordxizor on March 12, 2019, 06:20:40 AM: I predict it will end with a complete mindfuck and it's either Cersei or the white walkers who win in the end. All the good guys die.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2019, 07:40:48 AM: My predictions based on the main cast as listed on the Wiki page for the season:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(season_8)

Tyrion lives.
Jaimie dies as a hero.
Cersei dies, killed by Jaimie.
Dany lives but doesn't get the Iron Throne.
Jon Snow lives but has to make a pact with the White Walkers and goes off to live beyond the wall.
Davos lives.
Sansa dies at the battle of Winterfell.
Arya lives (or I will hunt down the writers).
Theon dies as a hero.
Missandei dies.
Brienne lives.
Samwell lives and he's the one telling the whole story.
Bran fucks off to another plane of existance and screws up the whole Westeros (but not before warging into a dragon).
The Hound dies but kills the Mountain.
Varys dies.
Melisande dies.
Tormund lives through sheer badassery.
Gilly lives.
Bronn lives and gets a castle.
Gendry lives and marries Arya.
Jorah lives and becomes the 1000th Night's Watch Commander.
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Post by: Prog Snob on March 12, 2019, 08:53:53 AM: Quote from: Chino on March 05, 2019, 11:57:49 AM
I want to see the dead Starks in the crypts rise and join the White Walkers on their way through Winterfell

The crypts will undoubtedly play a big part in the books, but I'm not sure just how deep the show will go with them. Some say that is what Arya is running from in the beginning of the trailer - a risen Stark. Others say it's a wight and she's leading them to a trap. The crypts are magical and maybe they'll have the same effect on wights as did Bloodraven's cave. I like the idea that it's Nymeria who was killed and turned by the Night King, though that is not likely.

A separate issue - did anyone notice the sword Jorah had in the trailer in the scene where he is on horseback? It looks a lot like Heartsbane. It would make perfect sense. Sam won't be fighting.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 12, 2019, 12:03:51 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on March 12, 2019, 07:40:48 AM
My predictions based on the main cast as listed on the Wiki page for the season:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(season_8)

Tyrion lives.
Jaimie dies as a hero.
Cersei dies, killed by Jaimie.
Dany lives but doesn't get the Iron Throne.
Jon Snow lives but has to make a pact with the White Walkers and goes off to live beyond the wall.
Davos lives.
Sansa dies at the battle of Winterfell.
Arya lives (or I will hunt down the writers).
Theon dies as a hero.
Missandei dies.
Brienne lives and marries Tormund
Samwell lives and he's the one telling the whole story.
Bran fucks off to another plane of existance and screws up the whole Westeros (but not before warging into a dragon).
The Hound dies but kills the Mountain.
Varys dies.
Melisande dies.
Tormund lives through sheer badassery and marries Brienne
Gilly lives.
Bronn lives and gets a castle.
Gendry lives and marries Arya.
Jorah lives and becomes the 1000th Night's Watch Commander.
My two cents.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 12, 2019, 01:07:35 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on March 12, 2019, 07:40:48 AM
Tyrion lives. - Agreed...yet I add that he becomes Lord of Winterfell
Jaimie dies as a hero. - Agreed
Cersei dies, ~~killed by Jaimie.~~ Killed by Dragon Fire
~~Dany lives but doesn't get the Iron Throne.~~ - Dany (and Drogon) Die
Jon Snow lives but has to make a pact with the White Walkers and goes off to live beyond the wall. Agreed
Davos lives. Agreed
~~Sansa dies at the battle of Winterfell.~~ Sansa Lives and is Lord of Winterfell since she's still technically Tyrion's wife
Arya lives And Marries Gendry and becomes Queen
Theon dies as a hero. Agreed
Missandei dies. Agreed
~~Brienne lives.~~ Dies saving Jamie
Samwell lives and he's the one telling the whole story. 100% Agree
Bran is just still the 3 eyed raven after it all
The Hound dies but kills the Mountain. Agreed
~~Varys dies.~~ Vary's lives, Hand of the King
Melisande dies. Agreed
Tormund lives through sheer badassery. Agreed
Gilly lives. Agreed
Bronn lives and gets a castle. Agreed
Gendry lives and marries Arya. and is Crowned the King
Jorah lives and becomes the 1000th Night's Watch Commander. Agreed
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Post by: Indiscipline on March 12, 2019, 01:15:54 PM: Tormund lives through sheer badassery ... and gets Brienne.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2019, 03:24:19 PM: Quote from: Indiscipline on March 12, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Tormund lives through sheer badassery ... and gets Brienne.

:yarr
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Post by: Adami on March 12, 2019, 03:47:31 PM: I really hope this show doesn't go all fan fiction on us.

If the writers room goes "oohhhh wouldn't it be cool if...." I am against it.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2019, 03:57:51 PM: Well, they kind of have already, I'm sure there will be some. They will end it the same overall being they know the ending but I'm sure things like Cleganebowl might happen in the show but not in the books (if they were to even be finished).

Which makes me think, is it even fan fiction if the books are never completed and this was the only ending we get?
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 12, 2019, 04:20:14 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 12, 2019, 03:57:51 PM
Which makes me think, is it even fan fiction if the books are never completed and this was the only ending we get?

I think that eventually, in 2-3 years, we'll get The Winds of Winter.

I'm not so sure about A Dream of Spring.

And about the ending..... I wonder how much they were told, and if George RR Martin was somehow pissed at the changes. I mean, I'm rewatching Season 5 and this is when things really got changed, and so it possibly derailed the intended roadpath that George Martin thought.

On one hand, I understand the changes - Giving both protagonists like Jaimie and Sansa something more to do, doing away with 53 Oberyn bastard daughters and the endless roaming of Tyrion in Essos before meeting Dany.... but it's all kinda meh, the Dorne storyline was completely botchered, giving Sansa to the Boltons makes somehow sense for the plans of Littlefinger but still it was quite a weird move, since he somehow kinda cares for Sansa.... and also, a man so clever as Littlefinger, who smirked at the naive notion of "Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and raped her" when Sansa told it in the crypts of Winterfell, had no clue about what a goddamn psycho Ramsay was? he figured out or at least suspected one of the most guarded secrets in the entire history of Westeros, but he had no intelligence on Ramsay whatsoever?

I seem to remember the statement was that they were told "in broad strokes" how it all ended. But how much broad? I mean, what if they just got told the equivalent of "Darth Vader and the Emperor die, Luke lives but doesn't get the girl", and then they totally pull out a closing out of their asses without knowing, or caring to ask, that Darth Vader dies sacrificing himself and that Luke doesn't get the girl because it's her sister and she marries Han Solo?
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Post by: Adami on March 12, 2019, 05:17:12 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on March 12, 2019, 03:57:51 PM
Well, they kind of have already, I'm sure there will be some. They will end it the same overall being they know the ending but I'm sure things like Cleganebowl might happen in the show but not in the books (if they were to even be finished).

Which makes me think, is it even fan fiction if the books are never completed and this was the only ending we get?

Of course they have. Arya killing Walder was pretty fanfic.

I'm using fan fiction loosely. Maybe it's not the right phrase. I just want them to write from characters. What makes sense. I don't want them to say "what would the fans think is cool...." and then write based on giving the fans cool stuff to watch. Other shows do that. GoT has been doing that recently, but I'm hoping they just write high quality shows, and not tons of "WOAH COOL!" moments. I know they'll probably do that anyway, but I can dream.

And I have never read the books, so I don't care what they change. I just want this show to be logical for the world/characters they wrote and not just want think seems really cool.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 14, 2019, 04:10:39 PM: Anyway, finished rewatching Season 5.... it was a bit of a mess. I understand the desire to streamline the storylines and start cutting down on the cast, but the execution left a lot to be desired.

Take Stannis for example, they could have had him go out like a hero, but he was not a character meant to reach the end so they were like "Ah, screw it, look, he's burning his daughter, he's an asshole, see? well, against all logic he goes forward to Winterfell and gets massacrated, the end, thank you Stephen Dillane, your checks will end with this season".

And I have to say that Jon really should think better on what to say and to whom. When he's at Hardhome, he answers "What happened to Mance?" with "I killed him". D'uh. Was "He was sentenced to death by stake, and I mercy killed him" so hard and difficult to say? he was about to get lynched until Tormund told how it went. Also in the last episode he's there talking with Sam saying "He raised his hands.... and at the same moment all the dead came back to life", speaking of Night's King. To Sam. Alone in his room. GEEZ HOW ABOUT YOU INFORM THE WHOLE DAMN NIGHT'S WATCH? I understand the hatred for the Wildlings can't be erased with a snap of the fingers but you'd thought that "every single person that is walking through our gates won't be a zombie that will kill you in your sleep way sooner than later" could be quite a good rationale, thanks also to the testimony of the survivors.

Speaking of Hardhome, it was the high water mark of the season. Absolutely awesome and memorable scene, nothing will take away the surprise of the first viewing when you totally don't see it coming and see it get bad and then worse and then way worse and then "we're all royally and icily fucked". It will remain one of the defining moments of the series.

At least this season highlighted once and for all Cersei's utter stupidity. Out of sheer pettiness and jealousy she went after Margaery and it backfired spectacularly. "I'm gonna give power to a bunch of fanatics who won't be intimated by wealth and power and family names, fanatics that I already know count among their ranks my cousin whom I fucked and instructed to make the king so drunk that he could easily die in a hunt", what could possibly go wrong. ::) ::) ::)

Also the miriade of cliffhangers in the last episode was annoying. Game of Thrones always ended seasons with stuff left there but you always had a sense of partial closure, here it was all for the "Hey, come back next year to see if Theon and Sansa survived! and to see what happen to Daenerys! and to see what happens to blind Arya!", there was really no need also considering that the season already ended on a huge, dramatic cliffhanger, Jon's death.

And don't get me started on Dorne, which was reedemeable with just some very minor changes... (even though my alternate idea for it, to bring it back closer to the books giving Doran the same motivations of the book, would have left Myrcella and Doran alive so that was going against the trimming of the cast I guess)
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Post by: The Walrus on March 18, 2019, 10:03:38 AM: Yeah, season 5 is a bit of a slog - easily the low point for the show, I think, overall - but those last three episodes are really good in my opinion. Hardhome, Dance of Dragons, Mother's Mercy - lots of great moments.

Stannis's death made sense to me, my only beef is that they didn't show his death on camera, it's just a POV of Stannis and then black, and nothing more. After all the time spent on him, I still think that was a cheap way to go (not the circumstances of his death, but that they didn't even show it). As for why he went to Winterfell, the North is a massive part of the realm. Massive. Like, bigger than several other territories combined. He stood zero chance of being able to take King's Landing but if he could secure the North, that's huge for Stannis. Logic might not be his best friend in general, though; after all, he allowed himself to be swayed by a witch of dark magic and fire...

Only 5 weeks to go. It's been so freaking long since season 7. I'm disappointed in the runtimes for season 8's episodes so I really hope they do justice to all the storylines and loose ends that have to be wrapped up. I wonder if the last episode is going to have any action at all, or is 5 is going to be the massive climax and episode 6 will be the post-mortem on everything that just happened.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 18, 2019, 10:07:28 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on March 18, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
I'm disappointed in the runtimes for season 8's episodes

Yeah, me too. Really just in the first two being under an hour. It's tough to imagine that they can wrap this show up in the estimated run times of the episodes they've released. Guess we will see....maybe it's the perfect amount of time.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2019, 10:09:57 AM: Yea I don't know, after the first couple episodes they get pretty long. It certainly doesn't feel long enough but the pacing is so fast now that maybe it is, hard to say right now although I think anyone who hasn't liked the pacing of last season probably won't like the pacing of this one.

Also, about Stannis, I think it all goes to just show how wrong not only he was, but Melisandre as well. His death should have been on screen, that felt cheap for a character that played a fairly large role in the show.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 18, 2019, 10:11:10 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on March 18, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
Yeah, season 5 is a bit of a slog - easily the low point for the show, I think, overall - but those last three episodes are really good in my opinion. Hardhome, Dance of Dragons, Mother's Mercy - lots of great moments.

Indeed!

Quote from: Kattelox on March 18, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
I'm disappointed in the runtimes for season 8's episodes so I really hope they do justice to all the storylines and loose ends that have to be wrapped up. I wonder if the last episode is going to have any action at all, or is 5 is going to be the massive climax and episode 6 will be the post-mortem on everything that just happened.

I wonder what even is going to happen in the first two episodes, since the battle at Winterfell is episode 3. Those in the North preparing for it and Cersei welcoming back Euron and his fleet? there aren't even many storylines left to follow anyway.

Also, will we finally get to the truth of the two mottos of House Stark? "Winter is Coming" might not be a selfless warning, but an actual menace. Also, "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell"... why? random tradition? or there's something deeper? I bet there is, and the characters will find out only too late what it is (See scenes of the trailer of people scared in the crypts).
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Post by: ariich on March 18, 2019, 02:15:17 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on March 18, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
Yeah, season 5 is a bit of a slog - easily the low point for the show, I think, overall
I think it's also not helped by coming straight after season 4 which was arguably the show at its peak.
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Post by: Adami on March 18, 2019, 02:16:32 PM: I'm on season 5 of my re-watch now. Yea....it's a bit much.

I'd still say seasons 1-3 are the best, but that's me. I prefer the show when it was about super rich characters and what naturally happens with them. Eventually it became "well we need these people to be at this battle, so let's just do what needs to happen to get them there."
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Post by: ariich on March 18, 2019, 02:19:54 PM: For me the character drama in season 4 was just so gripping. Tyrion's trial in particular was incredible television and the way it ended up (for those of us who didn't know what was coming) was crushing.
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Post by: Adami on March 18, 2019, 02:21:35 PM: Quote from: ariich on March 18, 2019, 02:19:54 PM
For me the character drama in season 4 was just so gripping. Tyrion's trial in particular was incredible television and the way it ended up (for those of us who didn't know what was coming) was crushing.

Oh, no knock on 4. 4 was great. Had some amazing moments, I'd just put 1-3 a bit above it is all. I definitely don't have as much affinity for 5-7, though it's very cool and fun.

I guess I'd say (over all, with exceptions) 1-3 = amazing, 4 = great, 5 -7 = fun entertainment, nothing really more.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 18, 2019, 02:38:54 PM: I think season 4 had some of the best stuff in the entire show, yeah. The purple wedding alone is imo a contender for greatest episode in the series.
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 29, 2019, 02:28:10 AM: Finished rewatching Season 6. A vast improvement over Season 5, with many memorable scenes... it was so hard to go through again the Hodor one. Heartwrenching!

The flaws were mainly two: Dorne (thanks the Seven it appeared only in the first episode and disappeared until the last), and the resolution of Arya's story which is an incredibily bad string of poor writing decisions.

So, she bails on her assignment about the actress, and realizes she has to flee. Yet, she walks around Braavos like she owns the place, a rich tourist admiring the scenery, she gets repeatedly gutted in the stomach by the Waif, escapes and heals from mortal wounds thanks to some rest, she gets discovered again, gets chased all around the town opening again her supposedly fatal wounds, and then she fights in the dark and wins, because of course when she was blind........ no, wait, she got always her ass kicked, all she did was being able to defend herself, blocking an attack, exactly ONCE.

Then she cuts away the Waif's face (she was never shown to learn how to do it), Jaqeen says her she's finally no one (I supposed defying twice orders, getting marked for death as a result but killing your would be executer is appreciated), Arya tells him anyway that she's indeed Arya and not "no one", and goes off into the sunset to kill Walder Frey in a fanfic act of revenge. UGH.

Having said that, the final combo of Battle of Bastards + Winds of Winter is BEYOND AWESOME. Two of the very best episodes of the series. It was quite contrived to have Sansa not tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale (really, what was Sansa afraid of? if she was willing to ask Littlefinger for help why Jon wouldn't? "we're desperate for more man but no, I don't want a perfectly trained kickass army because its leader is an asshole"?), but the battle was brutal and dramatic. And the "Light of the Seven" sequence, with that haunting and beautiful music (an elegy for a world that is over, and no one knew it was about to be over except Cersei), that escalates into the dramatic explosion, will go down in history as one of the very top moments of the series.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 01, 2019, 10:47:33 AM: I don't care about the run times, but I do care about the pacing. One of the charms of Game of Thrones has always been that it is a bit slow. You spend a lot of time with the characters, and then when major events happen, they feel so powerful because they are few and far in-between. Season 7 has a couple of stretches where the pacing is way too fast, and I just don't want that to happen again in Season 8.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 01, 2019, 11:19:02 AM: In fairness, there aren't as many characters as there used to be.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 01, 2019, 12:15:43 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 01, 2019, 11:19:02 AM
In fairness, there aren't as many characters as there used to be.

Truth! I generally felt like the pacing was actually pretty good in Season 7. The second-to-last episode is the one I wouldn't want them imitating. :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 01, 2019, 12:23:10 PM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on April 01, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 01, 2019, 11:19:02 AM
In fairness, there aren't as many characters as there used to be.

Truth! I generally felt like the pacing was actually pretty good in Season 7. The second-to-last episode is the one I wouldn't want them imitating. :lol

Beyond the Wall, right? that could have been one of the landmark episodes of the entire series, and it was almost ruined by the ridiculous shrinking continent that allowed a raven to fly from the Wall to Dragonstone and Dany to get there in the blink of an eye.
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Post by: Adami on April 01, 2019, 12:52:44 PM: The pacing is VERY fast in 6 and 7, compared to the first 3 seasons. People are just kind of moving at the speed of light, which gets tiresome.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 01, 2019, 03:18:46 PM: I liked Beyond The Wall when it aired despite the problems, just completed my rewatch (and first rewatch of Season 7 since just after it aired - before that I think I rewatched the series each year before the new one came out from S4 onward), and I liked it a lot again. If anything more than I remembered since I had mostly remembered the story problems with it and forgotten how enjoyable the interactions between the characters north of the Wall were.

I agree it had the potential to be one of the greatest episodes of the series but falls short because of glaring story problems that broke people's suspension of disbelief. Beyond The Wall isn't unique in having logic that falls apart if scrutinised - lot of big moments in stories actually don't make that much sense if you stop to think about them - but it's only such a problem when things are so glaring that the lots of the audience is left thinking about the underlying logic of how we got to the moment instead of the moment itself. You could nitpick more minor things but I think there's only two important problems with Beyond The Wall that smack the viewers in the face:

1. The entire premise of obtaining a single wight to show Cersei to convince her to make a temporary peace is extremely flawed.
2. The message to and arrival of Daenerys which seems extremely swift and breaks established rules of the show (see below).

Honestly I think the episode could have got away with just one of those flaws. The mission to get a wight was really poorly justified in story, but that was all setup and the rushed decisions that make little sense were packed in the previous episode - treat Beyond The Wall as a standalone film where a bunch of grizzled warriors are already on a mission to capture a wight and we accept their goal as part of the premise and it's solid. So it could have been enjoyed as a great episode with the caveat that "Ok, the decisions in previous episodes that brought us here didn't make much sense, BUT..."

However, compound that with the Daenerys flight and you have a story with a flimsy premise that's probably already in the back of the viewer's mind and a resolution that not only breaks the established expectations of distance in the show, but repeatedly smacks the viewer in the face with the fact that it is doing so rather than doing so offscreen so that you don't notice it until the action is over. And it's not about measuring the distances in miles or worrying about the airspeed velocity of a laden or unladen raven. The show has always been imprecise about time and distance, and the books may be more detailed but they are not much better about numbers either. The important thing isn't what would be technically possible given the supposed physical distance between places, but the "distance" that's implied by the logic of the show. And flying or no flying, getting a message to someone on the other side of Westeros and them responding (never mind arriving in person) has never before happened all within the timeframe of one "sequence". If a raven needed to get somewhere, or someone had to wait for a reply, there was always room for an indeterminate amount of time to pass off screen. There was never an immediate problem that had to be resolved by awaiting a return of a raven. Yes, technically it's possible that enough time passed while Jon and the others were on the frozen lake that Daenerys could have got a raven and the dragons could have flown there... but other than it appearing to be at least "overnight" the show never hints at the amount of time that passes, and by having Jon surrounded by wights which are literally a stone's throw away creating a sense of urgency, it forces the viewer to think about literally how long it will take a raven or dragon to fly somewhere in terms of hours and minutes, rather than just "however many days it takes a raven or dragon to get somewhere".

All pretty obvious I know, but having rewatched it last week and seeing the comments here I was just thinking about its problems again - and sometimes I think some of the criticism I see elsewhere misses the forest for the trees when bitching about Daenerys' flight. Unfortunately I think a handful of minor tweaks to the episode could have basically solved the second issue while giving Daenerys a more interesting and heroic storyline for that episode. A couple slightly more substantial changes in the previous episode and you could even better justify the "capture a wight" storyline, but it would have meant making Daenerys make a more fundamental mistake that wasn't apparently just Tyrion's fault which the show didn't seem to want to go for in that season.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 02, 2019, 01:13:40 AM: Well, I buy the "Let's show Cersei a wight" thing - she actually saw it, and yet she was like, to quote what Jaimie said and that should be the Lannister official motto, "Fuck everyone who isn't us". So bringing definitive and conclusive proof of what's beyond the Wall is something I can get on board it.

You addressed perfectly the distance issue however, and the ending was so obvious. I mean, the moment you know they ask for help through the raven, does anybody who has seen exactly more than one movie in his life had any doubts that there would have been the suprise and badass arrival of Dany with the dragons setting fire to the wights? I was just waiting for that during the scenes on them on the lake.

I don't know how I would have fixed the scene; if the castles were on the other side of the Wall, they could have the protagonists caught in a siege, and have a discussion about "the last food left by people who manned this castle will last only two other days". Something like that. But them being stuck on a lake feels like the survivors of the Titanic stuck on an island, sending a raven to New York, and someone from New York arriving.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on April 02, 2019, 02:47:51 AM: UNLESS they were 2 separate ravens. The raven that Dany receives could have been sent by someone else, much earlier, in anticipation that Jon and co. would run into trouble. Bran, perhaps?
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 02, 2019, 06:29:54 AM: My thought for a minimal change that mostly removes the problem of the distance between Dragonstone and the Wall is that there is no raven that reaches Daenerys at Dragonstone - Daenerys already decides to leave Dragonstone to go to Eastwatch on her own. The scenes Daenerys has in the episode are her talking to Tyrion and (among other things) worrying about and wistfully thinking about Jon, and also complaining about remaining on Dragonstone doing nothing. So rather than having to wait for a raven specifically telling her Jon's party is in danger, those motivations she has fit perfectly with her regretting sending Jon, Jorah and the others on such a dangerous mission alone, feeling helpless and useless sitting doing nothing so far away from them, and wanting to go somewhere closer to the action - in fact you'd barely need to change the dialogue of her scene talking to Tyrion by the fire. My preference (to make her arrival have more dramatic impact) would be not explicitly showing her leave Dragonstone but have her clearly considering it after her conversation, but if you just have to have that shot of the dragons taking off from the cliffs so you can put it in the trailers, then you can still include that although it makes it less surprising. Then when Gendry reaches Eastwatch and says they need to send a raven to Daenerys, Davos can say "You won't need a raven lad" or something, because Daenerys already came to Eastwatch at some point during the mission beyond the wall. She can then be presumed to fly out from Eastwatch after Gendry tells her roughly where they were.

Maybe people would still complain that it would be stupid or convenient for Daenerys to just go to Eastwatch, but to me at least that'd be a better character arc for Daenerys in that episode since she actually takes the initiative to invest more in Jon and the Eastwatch mission herself rather than waiting for a raven, as well as avoiding the "raven to Dragonstone" problem.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 02, 2019, 07:06:05 AM: I like your idea.

Earlier I complained about the whole Arya vs. Waif fiasco, I think those scenes could have been more realistic with some very minor tweakings as well.

All they needed to do was:

- Show Arya actually kicking the Waif's ass during the training, and not just being able to defend herself once;
- Have Arya being very aware of the danger she was in rather than walking calmly around like a rich girl on holiday;
- As a direct consequence, she would have immediately realized that the "sweet old lady" was the Waif in disguise, and therefore avoid the direct attack and getting only a scrape on her arm or even a superficial, near-miss wound on the stomach, rather than the fatal, repeated stabbing she got.

This way you estabilish that Arya can defeat the Waif, that she's mindful of her surroundings, and you can still have the taking shelter with the actress + discovery and chase across the town + final fight in the dark without it feeling too cheap.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 02, 2019, 03:20:10 PM: Agree about the Arya and the Waif scenes. Though with Arya's training, she was blind but the Waif was not so I don't know if blind Arya needs to kick the non-blind Waif's ass, but she definitely could have been shown to fare a bit better in her blind fighting training to establish that she would have the edge once both of them were in the dark. I agree about the stabbing and the chase: harmless and kind seeming old lady that kinda looks like the Waif approaching out of the blue saying "sweet girl..." seems like the level of ruse that she should have been pretty prepared for even without going to ridiculous levels of paranoia. And she shouldn't have been almost fatally injured if she was going to have to run, jump and fall through the streets the next day. Audiences aren't impressed when they notice a supposedly badly wounded character doing impossible things, they just think that it doesn't make sense.

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Well, I buy the "Let's show Cersei a wight" thing - she actually saw it, and yet she was like, to quote what Jaimie said and that should be the Lannister official motto, "Fuck everyone who isn't us". So bringing definitive and conclusive proof of what's beyond the Wall is something I can get on board it.
The scene in the Dragonpit in the last episode is well executed and does make you feel that seeing a wight in the flesh might convince anyone. But in Eastwatch (the 5th episode) where everyone suddenly decides capturing a wight to show Cersei is what they need to do, it doesn't come across as believable to me. Not so much because Cersei couldn't be scared by the prospect of the dead but because it just didn't feel clear that they actually needed Cersei at all or that she could be trusted to help them even if they convinced her of the threat. Daenerys was the much more important ally to bring to the cause. In the show she already said she was willing to fight the White Walkers but the reason she didn't want to was because it would give advantage to Cersei: "As soon as I march away, she marches in" is the quote. This was the logic used to say convincing Cersei was necessary. But it feels like a big leap that convincing Cersei is necessary or useful if Daenerys is already basically on board, when instead it seems like Jon could have just hung around another day or two, maybe took another stroll into the cave with Daenerys, and managed to convince her to come North and forget Cersei until the dead are defeated. Since getting Daenerys is the key I think it'd be better if it was Daenerys herself that needed evidence - if she said that she refused to abandon her quest for the Iron Throne, even temporarily, without seeing evidence (either in the form of a wight or someone she really trusts seeing it with their own eyes, i.e. Jorah). Then Jon and the others would actually have a concrete reason to go Beyond The Wall rather than the small chance of convincing Cersei who a) can't be trusted and b) isn't really necessary if you already have Daenerys on side.

Also... in the same episode Eastwatch where the "capture a wight" plan is formulated, we have a scene where Sam tries to convince the Archmaesters in the Citadel of the threat of the White Walkers when they get a raven from Bran. This is the conversation:

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Sam: Everyone in Westeros trusts and respects you. If you tell people the threat is real, they'll believe it. If you advise all the lords to send their men north to hold the Wall, they'll do it. And if you tell every maester in the Citadel to search every word of every faded scroll about the Long Night, they may find something that lets us defeat the Army of the Dead for good.
Archmaester: It could be done. And this news could be authentic. It's possible. It's also possible that this message is part of a ploy by the Dragon Queen to lure southern armies away from the lands they are currently defending to open those lands to easy conquest.
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Sam: Archmaester, please. It's real. I've seen it.
Archmaester: We will write to Maester Wolkan at Winterfell for clarification. I promise you we will get to the truth of it one way or another.

Hello!? If we're talking about bringing evidence from beyond the Wall, these are the exact guys that might actually be convinced by a live(?) specimen. And I can't stress enough, this conversation occurs literally two scenes before the plan is formulated to go and capture a wight, yet the idea of using evidence to convince the maesters never enters into the conversation, either before or after they get the wight. It couldn't have been possible for Sam to send a raven to Jon and tell him that the Citadel (a "neutral" institution of Westeros that anyone hoping to rule it would like to have on their side) might be convinced if they had direct evidence? With a little tighter writing they could have linked the Citadel storyline with the rest of the season's main plot and given a more credible reason why a wight specimen would be needed.

Sorry for the lengthy rant about it, but watching Season 7 again it was just frustrating how even when I try to just take the capture a wight storyline as it comes and not nitpick it, they fumbled so many things that would make it a lot more credible and seem like less of a rushed way to just get the characters to the setpieces for the last two episodes.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 02, 2019, 03:31:29 PM: well, all this is what happens when you let someone else take over the well written books of another.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 02, 2019, 07:42:18 PM: https://atlasoficeandfireblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/westeros-population.png

Oldtown is much farther south than King's Landing. I know, I know, Gendry ran back to the Wall and Dany showed up all in the span of half a day, but... they'd also have to show Cersei anyway, because it's not like the maesters have an army. What exactly would they do? Shake their jowels and scoff and say, "Absurd, absurd! This cannot be real." etc. :biggrin:
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 03, 2019, 01:17:43 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 02, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
Sorry for the lengthy rant about it

No need to be sorry, I enjoyed reading it and I essentially agree with you :hat

I imagine this scenario happening with Lord of the Rings - only the first two books are out, and Return of the King has to be filmed without the book as guideline, what a mess it could have been :biggrin: (even though I guess the ending and specifically how the Ring gets destroyed was planned by the very beginning so you can't mess it up even trying... and they almost did anyway, showing an unnecessary brawl between Frodo and Gollum on the edge)
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Post by: The Curious Orange on April 03, 2019, 05:05:54 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 02, 2019, 03:31:29 PM
well, all this is what happens when you let someone else take over the well written books of another.

Well written? The first three, yes, but books 4 and 5 are dire.
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 04, 2019, 11:58:40 AM: This is brilliant if you guys haven’t seen it:

https://youtu.be/vw2SaHkGfss
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 04, 2019, 12:25:56 PM: Quote from: ReaperKK on April 04, 2019, 11:58:40 AM
This is brilliant if you guys haven’t seen it:

https://youtu.be/vw2SaHkGfss

Yeah. She was spot on....and it REALLY could have fooled the audience had Fallon been even a smidgen convincing.
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 04, 2019, 12:46:35 PM: I thought it was legit this morning, needless to say her acting skills are fantastic.
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Post by: Adami on April 04, 2019, 12:52:08 PM: I honestly believe for things like Marvel or GoT, HBO and Disney hire Tom Cruise from Minority Report to intercept them if they are about to spoil things. So if Tom cruise doesn't kill them, I know it's not a spoiler.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 04, 2019, 01:06:39 PM: I believed Maisie. Fallon wasn't that convincing. Good stuff though, I loved how dead the audience went.

Folks... only 2 more Sundays. I can't believe it's this close. I am going to buy a few massive bags of popcorn, load the steins with beer, and invite some friends over for a (QUIET!) viewing. :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on April 04, 2019, 01:10:25 PM: Yea I kind of forgot how close we are now. Watched season 7 episode 1 last night.
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 04, 2019, 01:11:34 PM: I always watch it the next night. 5 am wake up call so early to bed on Sundays.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 04, 2019, 01:12:17 PM: Quote from: kingshmegland on April 04, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
I always watch it the next night. 5 am wake up call so early to bed on Sundays.

I don't know how I could survive on mondays though, the internet and everyone is just talking about it.
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Post by: Chino on April 04, 2019, 01:13:30 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 04, 2019, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: kingshmegland on April 04, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
I always watch it the next night. 5 am wake up call so early to bed on Sundays.

I don't know how I could survive on mondays though, the internet and everyone is just talking about it.

I tread very lightly the following day. I may have mentioned this before, but I had a huge plot point spoiled on fucking LinkedIn of all places.
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 04, 2019, 01:15:05 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 04, 2019, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: kingshmegland on April 04, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
I always watch it the next night. 5 am wake up call so early to bed on Sundays.

I don't know how I could survive on mondays though, the internet and everyone is just talking about it.

I avoid it online and give a mean death stare to any talking about it. :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 04, 2019, 01:18:48 PM: That was great, I even heard some genuie "awws" for Maisie from the audience. :lol The fact that actors for major franchises dosen't drop major spoilers more often is pretty amazing.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 04, 2019, 01:27:56 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 04, 2019, 01:18:48 PM
That was great, I even heard some genuie "awws" for Maisie from the audience. :lol The fact that actors for major franchises dosen't drop major spoilers more often is pretty amazing.

Enter Tom Holland.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LYZyDKOfY
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Post by: lonestar on April 05, 2019, 08:25:41 AM: Just got through Princess Shereen's death on my preparatory re-watch, and I think that was the worst death on the show, much harder than Hodor's. Damn I loved her character.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 05, 2019, 08:32:04 AM: Quote from: lonestar on April 05, 2019, 08:25:41 AM
Just got through Princess Shereen's death on my preparatory re-watch, and I think that was the worst death on the show, much harder than Hodor's. Damn I loved her character.

So true. Hodor's was tough but Shereen's was brutal....her calling out to her parents....man. Davos's reaction when he learns she died the way she died is tough to take also.....when he tells Jon Snow what happened. A lot of emotion in that scene.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 05, 2019, 08:36:33 AM: It's those off-camera blood curdling screams. Every time, they give me goosebumps. Very hard to listen to.
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Post by: lonestar on April 05, 2019, 09:04:52 AM: Exactly man...and the fact that her, along with Hodor, Pod and Sam, are by far the most noble characters on the show.

Oh man, Arya's about to fuck this dude up in the brothel :metal
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 05, 2019, 10:41:11 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 05, 2019, 08:36:33 AM
It's those off-camera blood curdling screams. Every time, they give me goosebumps. Very hard to listen to.
Yea even when I saw it on my second re-watch I had a hard time not getting affected by it, such a brutal thing.

Oberyn's death was also shocking but more in a "I can't believe the show had the guts to do that" sort of way. I liked Oberyn but man I LOVED how he died if that makes any sense. :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on April 05, 2019, 11:23:09 AM: I think my all-time favorite death in the show is Joffrey's, but Oberyn's is way up there. And, actually, Tommen's, because it was so artfully shot.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2019, 11:46:28 AM: Joffrey's death had me with a savage grin. I didn't know-really-know that it would happen, but I read here and there on the web references to a "purple wedding" and I figured out something was going down. When he starting to choke I was "Uh oh, here we go, bwhaha", and I enjoyed every moment of it. Congrats to Jack Gleeson for having portrayed him in such a way that it made everyone happy to see a teenage kid dying horribly in the arms of his helpless parents :lol

The Red Wedding obviously hurt, but Oberyn maybe hurt even more. Shireen and Hodor hurt in a "I thought after the Red Wedding I was ready for everything but no" way.

Oh, and Jon beating the shit out of Ramsay had me doing air punching :metal

Speaking of Ramsay's demise - rewatch the scene where Wun Wun tears down the gate and falls down deeply hurt, he locks eyes with Jon and neither of them is looking at Ramsay who's in front of them, has a clear shot and between Jon and the giant............ shoots the giant. :facepalm: :lol :rollin

Why, after all, killing your arch rival that represents the entire North against you when you can kill a giant? :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 05, 2019, 12:19:22 PM: Oh man after 586 days since the s07 finale it's now only 9 or 10 days left depending on when I have time to see it. Excited I AM!! :tup
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 05, 2019, 12:35:35 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 05, 2019, 11:46:28 AM
Why, after all, killing your arch rival that represents the entire North against you when you can kill a giant? :lol

I think the simplest answer is he thought he was going to kill them both. I don't think he thought Jon would be able to block the three arrows he fired at him and ultimately get to him. So, killing the Giant to make sure it was never a problem again probably made sense to him at the time. Who knows??
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 06, 2019, 04:46:12 AM: I didn't think of that, it makes sense actually.

Also the whole "Rickon why don't you ziz-zag ffs" thing was not as bad as I remember. He did look back once or twice and by the time Jon was about to grab him, he was of course concentrated on Jon rescuing him and didn't pay attention the fatal arrow getting him. It looked worse at the first watching, I remember the uproar on the internet about it :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on April 06, 2019, 12:58:06 PM: I really love the shots of Jon blocking those arrows at close range. Look how far they pierce through the shield, and Jon was smart enough to hold the shield far enough in front of him to block them without getting hit. Brilliant scene, I jumped and cheered when he wailed on Ramsay :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 06, 2019, 01:03:23 PM: And which shield it was? House Mormont.

Strong and undestructible just like Lyanna Mormont :metal
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Post by: The Walrus on April 08, 2019, 07:34:22 AM: I've seen it a dozen times now, but I've decided to watch an episode of season 7 every night up to the season 8 premiere, with season 7's finale finishing right before S8 episode 1. I hope Bronn gets his castle. :lol
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Post by: lonestar on April 08, 2019, 09:34:00 AM: I'm at the last episode of S6, so I'm on a good pace to slide right into the new season fully prepared.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 08, 2019, 09:37:16 AM: I started rewatching season 7 yesterday, I will finish thursday.

Damn it was dumb that Dragonstone was completely and utterly unattanded for such a long time.

Anyway, looking forward: Jaimie will go to Winterfell so he will see both Dany and Bran. Looking forward to them meeting in a more intimate settings.

I'd love for Jaimie to be matter-of-factly about the Mad King, with Dany, something along the lines of...

"So... the Kingslayer. The man who murdered my father."
"Yes, your grace. I murdered your father. When, with the war certainly lost, he commanded the pyromancer to burn King's Landing down, I killed both him and the pyromancer to prevent the deaths of half a million people. I'd like to save an even mumber of people this time, if you'll let me fight alongside you".

I wonder what Bran would even tell to him, or if he "cares" about it anymore.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 08, 2019, 10:11:23 AM: Quote from: lonestar on April 08, 2019, 09:34:00 AM
I'm at the last episode of S6, so I'm on a good pace to slide right into the new season fully prepared.

I'm going to start S7 tonight.....watch a couple here and there throughout the week then watch finale of S7 sunday night prior to S8 premiere
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 09, 2019, 12:15:41 PM: A co-worker and I were speaking this morning and he brought up something he noticed last night while watching some of Season 1 that HBO was airing. He said that during the scene in Lord Commander Mormont's quarters when the dead Watchman re-animates and attacks Jon.....Lord Mormont comes in to the room holding a lantern. Jon Snow grabbed the lantern....by the globe (which would presumably be very hot) with no reaction to the heat and no physical damage to his hand or skin was every mentioned. Looks like they threw a small easter egg into the show very early on that he was a Targaryn being that fire/heat didn't affect him at all.
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Post by: Chino on April 09, 2019, 12:21:10 PM: Here's some discussion on it. Sounds like he did feel the heat? I don't remember that scene

https://www.reddit.com/r/gottheories/comments/a9ucre/jon_snow_is_not_a_targeryanfire_cannot_hurt_a/
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 09, 2019, 12:37:12 PM: I remember George RR Martin telling that Dany stepping out of the funeral pyre of Khal Drogo was a "miracle", a once in a lifetime event, but the show seems to have translated that into "she's literally fireproof just like the Flash can go very very fast".

Speaking of making things simpler, I hope they won't trim all the lore of the White Walkers down to the lowest common denominator.

I mean, have you seen the Harry Potter movies? when in movie 6 you discover that Voldemort has made horcruxes, do you have any doubt about how the story will go? of course they will try to find the horcruxes and destroy them one by one.

Same thing with last season: once they find out that the wights are controlled by the White Walker that created them and that if you kill that Walker, you kill all the wights he spawned..... did anyone else got a mental image of the Night King being struck down and all of the wights falling down dead like all the droids at the end of The Phantom Menace? I hope there will be more to the story than that, and that defeating the White Walkers will take something more complex than "just kill the big bad".
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 09, 2019, 12:46:21 PM: Quote from: Chino on April 09, 2019, 12:21:10 PM
Here's some discussion on it. Sounds like he did feel the heat? I don't remember that scene

https://www.reddit.com/r/gottheories/comments/a9ucre/jon_snow_is_not_a_targeryanfire_cannot_hurt_a/

interesting stuff. I hadn't picked up on the whole hand thing and was thinking it was a cool detail. Looks like it's not a big deal
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 09, 2019, 12:59:03 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 09, 2019, 12:15:41 PM
A co-worker and I were speaking this morning and he brought up something he noticed last night while watching some of Season 1 that HBO was airing. He said that during the scene in Lord Commander Mormont's quarters when the dead Watchman re-animates and attacks Jon.....Lord Mormont comes in to the room holding a lantern. Jon Snow grabbed the lantern....by the globe (which would presumably be very hot) with no reaction to the heat and no physical damage to his hand or skin was every mentioned. Looks like they threw a small easter egg into the show very early on that he was a Targaryn being that fire/heat didn't affect him at all.
I don't think that was intended as him not being hurt by it. It's from the books that he burns his hand when he grabs the fire to kill the first wight, and in his POV chapters it often refers to his burned hand... of course in the show unless they want to go to the effort of some scar prosthetics or have him constantly mention it in dialogue then it's not going to get noticed much (instead of being mentioned in his own thoughts in the book), but they would have been sure to include him putting his hand on the fire at that scene since it's fairly prominent in the books that he burns it then even if it wasn't going to be a big deal in the show later.

It is also true that the books don't have Targaryens not being affected by fire, but considering the show has gone their own way with Daenerys' fire immunity being a literal superpower you can count on rather than a more mysterious / mystical occurence (one show change I dislike personally) then it could also be possible that the show includes other Targaryens being resistant to fire even though it wasn't in the books.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 10, 2019, 03:28:03 AM: Almost done with my catchup. Yesterday I've seen The Spoils of War (and the following Eastwatch) and damn, the "loot train attack" as the writers described is one of the most amazing, badass and exciting scenes ever seen on a screen :metal :metal :metal

I have a hard time picking a favorite battle, and ever major one of the series has its perks - the spectacle of Blackwater, the total shocking and brutal surprise of Hardhome, the muddy melee of the Battle of the Bastards... but The Spoils of War has some amazing scenes (just think of all the stuntmen actually set on fire!) and Drogon arriving and laying utter and fiery waste to everything in his path is absolutely and mindblowingly awesome.

I love the beginning - Bronn notices noises in the distance, and everyone gets ready. They don't see the enemy, fear of the unknown rises up the tension. You hear the ~~indians~~ Dothraki horde arriving, they trample down everyone and things are bad already, and then the hope wrecking shriek of the dragon arrives.... and Drogon appears in the sky and rains down napalm on everyone. Utter terror and hopelessness. Basically perfect episode and one of the high water marks of the entire series.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 10, 2019, 06:38:13 AM: ^^^^that’s exactly where I’m at....watched it last night. That battle scene is awesome. I love the part after Drogon gets shot down when he first torches the huge crossbow then blasts it and it’s wagon to shreds with his tail. :lol

I still have an issue with the way Jamie and Bronn fell into the lake or river. Two foot off shore its 30 ft deep? :lol That bugs the heck out of me. Not to say it’s not possible. Maybe it’s an old quarry where they mined the stone to build Kingslanding....in that case the ‘shores’ would have been very sheer and straight drop. But a few scenes earlier you have guys on fire wading a few steps into the water to douse themselves....then Bronn tackles Jamie and they sink in 30 foot of water.

Anyway...ONLY (4) MORE DAYS!!!! :metal
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Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2019, 09:29:50 AM: Stolen from Reddit, here's an awesome, extremely detailed map of Westeros.

https://i.redd.it/tt0nwtwfbgr21.jpg

And again, Alt Shift X's amazing video on what lies to the far east in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4J16GzUJ28

Bring on the end :2metal:
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 10, 2019, 09:49:01 AM: I totally misplaced Oldtown, which I thought it was on the same side of King's Landing.

I knew Dragonstone was close, but not THAT CLOSE to King's Landing. Makes the fact that in the show it sat empty and not reconquered a bit lame.

What I knew is where the Iron Islands are, and that people from there would have to circumnavigate all the way below Dorne to reach King's Landing.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 10, 2019, 10:24:29 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 10, 2019, 09:29:50 AM
Stolen from Reddit, here's an awesome, extremely detailed map of Westeros.

https://i.redd.it/tt0nwtwfbgr21.jpg

And again, Alt Shift X's amazing video on what lies to the far east in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4J16GzUJ28

Bring on the end :2metal:
:tup That map is one of the best ones of Westeros, but for those looking east just wanna note that for the farther east places (everything outside the white dotted lines in Essos) it was the best guess of the fans / map makers at the time based on descriptions in the books as no official maps were released until The World Of Ice And Fire a few years ago. It's not as good for Westeros but here's the biggest map of the known world of ASOIAF that shows some of the crazy places described in the far east (huge image):

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2855/33912305140_f09f5c7a78_o.jpg

The Five Forts are the most interesting things out there, basically sound like the eastern equivalent of The Wall with other culture's version of the Long Night legends.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2019, 10:28:58 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 10, 2019, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 10, 2019, 09:29:50 AM
Stolen from Reddit, here's an awesome, extremely detailed map of Westeros.

https://i.redd.it/tt0nwtwfbgr21.jpg

And again, Alt Shift X's amazing video on what lies to the far east in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4J16GzUJ28

Bring on the end :2metal:
:tup That map is one of the best ones of Westeros, but for those looking east just wanna note that for the farther east places (everything outside the white dotted lines in Essos) it was the best guess of the fans / map makers at the time based on descriptions in the books as no official maps were released until The World Of Ice And Fire a few years ago. It's not as good for Westeros but here's the biggest map of the known world of ASOIAF that shows some of the crazy places described in the far east (huge image):

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2855/33912305140_f09f5c7a78_o.jpg

The Five Forts are the most interesting things out there, basically sound like the eastern equivalent of The Wall with other culture's version of the Long Night legends.

AWESOME link, RRR - the Alt Shift X video I linked goes over tons of those places in the East. Fascinating stuff. They're right in that area that's fascinating because there's so little info to go on, but learning more might ruin the mystique of places like Asshai. Although I do hope Melisandre gets one last chance to perform some crazy magic before she (hopefully) dies...
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2019, 07:15:09 AM: We're mere days away from Season 8 premiere and we still don't even know the title of the first episodes. Any guesses on what the titles could be?

I would be very surprised if the last episode isn't called "A Dream of Spring", with "Ice and Fire", if not "A Song of Ice and Fire", as an alternative.

Maybe the first episode will be called Winter is Here. Other possible titles for the other episodes could be The Battle for the Dawn (the one at Winterfell) or The Prince that was Promised. I don't think the White Walkers ever got to name an episode, mh? Army of the Dead sounds like a Powerwolf song but it could also be a cool title.
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Post by: lonestar on April 11, 2019, 11:00:25 AM: Finished my run through yesterday, my body is ready...
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2019, 03:14:55 PM: I just finished my rewatch right now, a season every other week, starting from January :metal

All things considered Season 7 is great, a pity that the size of the show couldn't allow for the usual run of 10 episodes, but I don't feel it was too rushed all things considered. Or better: there was no "wow, everything is happening so fast!" feeling, but the road to the bullet points they obviously wanted to hit could have been better.

As I previously said The Spoils of War was all kinds of awesome, but Beyond the Wall is the worst episode, so packed with Hollywood cliches.... it takes 5 minutes to read around on YouTube comments or Reddit to find way, way better suggestions on minor tweakings to do with the episode. Also, Littlefinger's demise was not earned, it was all built around the shock of the "how do you answer to these charges..... Lord Baelish?" - all they needed to do was a single scene in which Sansa was musing to herself and then went to find Bran telling him "I need to talk with you". They could have made it ambigous to make it look like she wanted to find out more about Arya, but we'd know that she realized she needed to look into Littlefinger. Also, a single line during the final confrontation of "Why do you trust Bran? he's making shit up!" "No, he's the Three Eyed Raven", with him telling something about Lord Yohn Royce to prove to everyone in the room that yes, he's not making shit up, would have made the situation even clearer.

Still, it's only true what I read on a comment on Reddit - that it's far easier to find the flaws in something already done, rather than do it yourself from scratch. I hope Season 8 will not have these issues, with basic reason sacrificed in name of plots and shocks (please, please, PLEASE for the love of the Seven, let it no more be any battle with a surprise arrival at the right moment!!!), and that it will go down in history as a fitting and majestic end to a monumental series :metal
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Post by: The Walrus on April 11, 2019, 03:30:43 PM: Beyond the Wall is my favorite episode of season 7... the time thing is a bit off but otherwise I freaking love it and I've watched it several times more than the others.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 11, 2019, 04:28:31 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 10, 2019, 10:28:58 AM
AWESOME link, RRR - the Alt Shift X video I linked goes over tons of those places in the East. Fascinating stuff. They're right in that area that's fascinating because there's so little info to go on, but learning more might ruin the mystique of places like Asshai. Although I do hope Melisandre gets one last chance to perform some crazy magic before she (hopefully) dies...
Yeah the info about the far east and some of the other mysterious bits and pieces around the place (the origins of the Hightower at Oldtown for example) were the most interesting about The World Of Ice And Fire, but they're precisely interesting because they have that mystique about them and the line between fact and legend is blurred even in the books. I definitely love any bits and pieces we get, but I'm definitely happier not just getting a load of details about these things given straight to spoil that.

Of course the White Walkers themselves were also among those things which we had only tantalising glimpses into from the books, and with the show reaching the point where they had to come into the open a bit to be confronted directly they were obviously going to lose a bit of that aura (as any mysterious threat does in any story once we know more about it). All in all though I think the show has done a good job of the transition from nebulous to concrete threat, giving the White Walkers some presence without showing way too much. That's one of the reasons I think Hardhome is still the episode I keep coming back to as the greatest in the show - it brought the White Walkers into the game for real, it gave that sense of "holy shit, we're finally seeing these things" but did it in a way that maintained some of the mystery and dread about them.

For episode titles, another possibility is "A Time For Wolves", which was GRRM's initial intended title for the last book of the series before he changed to the (projected) The Winds Of Winter and A Dream Of Spring. A Time For Wolves would be good nod to that and is just a cool title, if there is an episode that it fits.
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Post by: lonestar on April 11, 2019, 05:02:17 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 11, 2019, 03:30:43 PM
Beyond the Wall is my favorite episode of season 7... the time thing is a bit off but otherwise I freaking love it and I've watched it several times more than the others.

Totally agreed, if we discount the 1000mph raven and the massive chains the undead army just happened to have, it's a brilliant episode. Little liberties like these really don't bother me as much as some others..I mean we're watching a show with undead, dragons, magic, etc and they're focused on where the undead got chains? Seems like they're looking for something to bash to me.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 11, 2019, 05:05:55 PM: Despite its flaws (some of which I complained about recently), I still favour Beyond The Wall from season 7. The interactions between the characters north of the Wall are great, the intensity of some of the action (e.g. Tormund getting dragged into the water), and some of the just frankly quite cool things we get finally get to see on screen - wight bear, dragons facing the undead, and of course a dragon brought down. Plus just getting to hear more of Beric Dondarrion's voice. Also, maybe this is partly more about the amount of time I've spent reading and thinking about this series and world than just the episode itself, but to me there was just a huge sense of significance to the action. It somehow had a sort of "mythic" quality to it, and as a diehard I enjoyed the parallels to the legend of the last hero and his companions going north of the Wall in the Long Night from the lore of ASOIAF. Most of it was in the visuals and in the character's dialogue within the episode. As far as the more intricate plotting and justifying this mission within the storyline and the how things happen the way they do it was definitely lacking which is what holds it back from the top tier episodes of the series that don't have such glaring issues, but I value the highs as much as the lows so I've got to respect Beyond The Wall for that.

The Spoils Of War is a great episode, the dragon fire against the army was really impressive, the way it was done from the point of view of those under attack with the buildup and the ensuing chaos and horror, and Jaime's charge through the burning field towards the dragon was a great moment (again it seemed somehow "mythic" being a very fantastical moment). All really well executed. But, having said that, I remember my initial reaction was "Woah, that was pretty cool!" but then when I looked online I was actually kind of surprised that so many people were putting it among the other big battle sequences. I just didn't really think of it that way when I first saw it for whatever reason although it obviously has a tonne of action and I can see logically it was actually one of the biggest battles filmed for the show. I would easily rate Hardhome, Battle Of The Bastards and even The Watchers On The Wall ahead of it as far as big battle episodes. In terms of action The Spoils Of War is obviously better than Blackwater which doesn't really come close in terms of the stuntwork and effects, but the real gold in Blackwater is the scenes behind the gate anyway.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 11, 2019, 06:03:16 PM: All I know is, I’ve never been more ready for anything than this season!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 11, 2019, 08:15:34 PM: Playoff Hockey game on Sunday and a busy Friday and Saturday has ‘forced’ me to watch the last two Episodes of S7 tonight.....ruining my plan to lead right into S8. Gonna sit down and do that now.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 11, 2019, 10:52:23 PM: Primed and Ready! :metal Cannot wait!
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 01:33:46 AM: About Beyond the Wall... I really couldn't care less about chains, but there were too many cliches and predictable points all together.

While I agree that the dialogue between the characters was great and the visual sequences were awesome (battle in the ice with dragons, what more do you want?), there were too many contrivances:

- Some no-names tagging along just to die (WhatsTheirNames of House Redshirt)
- No one REALLY important dying (c'mon, Thoros was expandable)
- The gang being trapped on a rock making it impossible to forget that they were literally stranded in a place in the open, and not, say, in a castle where they could withstand a siege for more days
- Their entire rescue plan counting of Gendry running back alone, the dude that never saw snow before and didn't know the territory
- Dany of course flying all of Westeros in a couple of hours
- Dany arriving AT THE LAST POSSIBLE SECOND, who would have imagined
- Jon staying behind to fight the wights for no damn reason
- Jon almost dying because hey, Aragorn falling off a cliff in The Two Towers was so cool
- Jon's not dead, who would have imagined
- Benjen-ex-machina rescuing him and then dying immediately after

This is not to prove you all wrong or anything. If you like the episode I'm happy for you and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that for such a massive and series defining episode, the cliche of the arrival at the last second was so predictable that it ruined the moment. When in the middle of frozen nowhere three dragons arrive, you should be "F'K YEAH!!!!", not "d'uh, of course they arrive in this precise moment". I dare anyone who has seen exactly more than 3 movies in his life to admit they were totally surprised to see the dragons arrive in the exact moment they did, with the gang about to get overwhelmed with sad music playing.

About The Spoils of War: it's a feast for the eyes and a triumph of special effects, and we finally see a dragon getting loose on the relatively bad guys (come on, nobody cared for anyone in the Lannister army that wasn't named Jaimie or Bronn). What makes it so great it's the contrast between the disciplined army and the brutal savagery and violence thrown at them.

Imagine an actual medieval army marching in the open. They get suddenly attacked by actual native americans, riding on their horses and shooting arrows. And behind them, appears a fighting jet that bombs them with napalm. That's the shock the Lannister army felt in seeing the Dothraki army and of course the dragon, which was brilliantly translated on screen.
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Post by: Grappler on April 12, 2019, 06:09:09 AM: Beyond the Wall is awesome for one reason only - it's the first time that nearly every single badass warrior got together. Jon, Jorah, Thoros, Beric, The Hound, Gendry, Tormund.

That alone makes it a fun episode to watch. I don't care about any of the critiques or complaints about it. Just seeing this group together was exciting.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 06:36:44 AM: Honestly the only real gripe I have about Beyond the Wall is the fact that the Night King threw that spear at a dragon that was flying.....and was three times as far away as Drogon and Dany were who were just sitting literally right in front of him. Seems like an odd choice of targets.

Still wondering what the deal is with the changing color of the Wolf eyes on the pommel of Longclaw as well?
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 06:41:16 AM: Drogon was on a rescue mission, the other dragon (can't remember his name) was actually wreaking havoc.

If you have two enemy helicopters and one is on the ground embarking soldiers, and the other one is in the air shooting targets, you aim the bazooka at the helicopter that's actually bombing you.

Also, the flying dragon had his weak spot (the neck or where it was hit) visible, Drogon on the ground and with people around was more protected in that way.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 06:45:04 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
Drogon was on a rescue mission, the other dragon (can't remember his name) was actually wreaking havoc.

If you have two enemy helicopters and one is on the ground embarking soldiers, and the other one is in the air shooting targets, you aim the bazooka at the helicopter that's actually bombing you.

Good point....didn’t look at it like that. I was thinking....there sits the largest and most powerful of the three dragons AND it’s ‘master’. But I guess the Night King doesn’t really give a :censored as he’s probably pretty confident that no one can stop him anyway.
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Post by: Chino on April 12, 2019, 06:48:06 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 06:45:04 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
Drogon was on a rescue mission, the other dragon (can't remember his name) was actually wreaking havoc.

If you have two enemy helicopters and one is on the ground embarking soldiers, and the other one is in the air shooting targets, you aim the bazooka at the helicopter that's actually bombing you.

Good point....didn’t look at it like that. I was thinking....there sits the largest and most powerful of the three dragons AND it’s ‘master’. But I guess the Night King doesn’t really give a :censored as he’s probably pretty confident that no one can stop him anyway.

Him sitting on the ground might have been a factor in that decision as well. The dragon he hit died because it slammed into the ice after a free fall, not because it got hit with the spear. Had he hit Drogon instead, the largest dragon, it most likely wouldn't have been a lethal blow and the night king probably would have just gotten roasted like a marshmallow by a really pissed off dragon.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 12, 2019, 06:55:24 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 06:36:44 AM
Honestly the only real gripe I have about Beyond the Wall is the fact that the Night King threw that spear at a dragon that was flying.....and was three times as far away as Drogon and Dany were who were just sitting literally right in front of him. Seems like an odd choice of targets.

Still wondering what the deal is with the changing color of the Wolf eyes on the pommel of Longclaw as well?
Jon's hand coming out of the water and onto the ice, the eyes are kind of partially see through crystal so when he comes out it goes from white to black because of the background behind the sword. If it was intended (or even if not) it's a quite cool effect to make it look like the eyes open when Jon Snow emerges from the water.

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/giphy-1-3.gif

Hitting Drogon would have made sense, it's obvious that it's really just a bit of plot contrivance that he went for one of the other ones first. Luckily him targetting Viserion didn't take me out of the moment, and the idea of going for the one that was still blasting wights makes enough sense for me after the fact. Also even though Viserion was higher up and a moving target, the Night King might technically have had a clearer shot at its heart because it was facing him and there wasn't other stuff in the way. Distance and moving targets ain't a problem for the Night King obviously (proximity to main cast seems to cause some distortion to make him inaccurate though :p).
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 07:03:20 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 12, 2019, 06:48:06 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 06:45:04 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
Drogon was on a rescue mission, the other dragon (can't remember his name) was actually wreaking havoc.

If you have two enemy helicopters and one is on the ground embarking soldiers, and the other one is in the air shooting targets, you aim the bazooka at the helicopter that's actually bombing you.

Good point....didn’t look at it like that. I was thinking....there sits the largest and most powerful of the three dragons AND it’s ‘master’. But I guess the Night King doesn’t really give a :censored as he’s probably pretty confident that no one can stop him anyway.

Him sitting on the ground might have been a factor in that decision as well. The dragon he hit died because it slammed into the ice after a free fall, not because it got hit with the spear. Had he hit Drogon instead, the largest dragon, it most likely wouldn't have been a lethal blow and the night king probably would have just gotten roasted like a marshmallow by a really pissed off dragon.

The way there was a burst of flame then black smoke trailing from the spear wound I was under the impression there was some ‘magic’ involved there as well? Maybe not?
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 12, 2019, 07:17:58 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 07:03:20 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 12, 2019, 06:48:06 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 06:45:04 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
Drogon was on a rescue mission, the other dragon (can't remember his name) was actually wreaking havoc.

If you have two enemy helicopters and one is on the ground embarking soldiers, and the other one is in the air shooting targets, you aim the bazooka at the helicopter that's actually bombing you.

Good point....didn’t look at it like that. I was thinking....there sits the largest and most powerful of the three dragons AND it’s ‘master’. But I guess the Night King doesn’t really give a :censored as he’s probably pretty confident that no one can stop him anyway.

Him sitting on the ground might have been a factor in that decision as well. The dragon he hit died because it slammed into the ice after a free fall, not because it got hit with the spear. Had he hit Drogon instead, the largest dragon, it most likely wouldn't have been a lethal blow and the night king probably would have just gotten roasted like a marshmallow by a really pissed off dragon.

The way there was a burst of flame then black smoke trailing from the spear wound I was under the impression there was some ‘magic’ involved there as well? Maybe not?
I agree, the fact it's a spear of ice (and we know White Walker's weapons have some magic about them, such as have been shown shattering regular weapons) was a factor in it killing a dragon with a single blow rather than just any spear. The way the fires go out and the amount of blood I think he hit it in the heart or some vital spot of the dragon and that the ice spear striking it there was "fire quenching" in a way.

The moment the Night King kills the dragon can be seen here: https://youtu.be/jstUSsF3We4?t=409
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Post by: The Walrus on April 12, 2019, 07:22:45 AM: I think that entire sequence (from NK grabbing his spear to Viserion sinking into the water) is one of my top 10, possibly top 5 favorite moments in the show. Such an awesome display of might and magic. And it's shot so beautifully.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 07:29:37 AM: It's also a brutal shock for Dany. Whenever she goes people shiver in fear in front of their dragons, he destroyed the morale of the Lannister army showing up with just one dragon out of three, and everyone realized that a war against dragons couldn't be won.

Then she goes behind the Wall, where she still scarcely believe that White Walkers are actually a thing, and the Night King goes "Hold my beer", aims, takes ONE strike and shoots down Viserion. Brutal and the most horrible wake up call about the threat of the White Walkers.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 07:31:28 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 12, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 07:03:20 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 12, 2019, 06:48:06 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 06:45:04 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 06:41:16 AM
Drogon was on a rescue mission, the other dragon (can't remember his name) was actually wreaking havoc.

If you have two enemy helicopters and one is on the ground embarking soldiers, and the other one is in the air shooting targets, you aim the bazooka at the helicopter that's actually bombing you.

Good point....didn’t look at it like that. I was thinking....there sits the largest and most powerful of the three dragons AND it’s ‘master’. But I guess the Night King doesn’t really give a :censored as he’s probably pretty confident that no one can stop him anyway.

Him sitting on the ground might have been a factor in that decision as well. The dragon he hit died because it slammed into the ice after a free fall, not because it got hit with the spear. Had he hit Drogon instead, the largest dragon, it most likely wouldn't have been a lethal blow and the night king probably would have just gotten roasted like a marshmallow by a really pissed off dragon.

The way there was a burst of flame then black smoke trailing from the spear wound I was under the impression there was some ‘magic’ involved there as well? Maybe not?
I agree, the fact it's a spear of ice (and we know White Walker's weapons have some magic about them, such as have been shown shattering regular weapons) was a factor in it killing a dragon with a single blow rather than just any spear. The way the fires go out and the amount of blood I think he hit it in the heart or some vital spot of the dragon and that the ice spear striking it there was "fire quenching" in a way.

The moment the Night King kills the dragon can be seen here: https://youtu.be/jstUSsF3We4?t=409

After watching that again a couple times there was something more to than that just being a 'spear'. Definitely some 'magic'....the explosion on impact and the amount of blood Viserion was losing speaks to that spears power. I paused it on impact and I think it's no coincidence that the Night Kings spear hit near the exact spot the Qyburn's crossbow bolt hit Drogon.....with two different outcomes.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 07:34:11 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 07:29:37 AM
It's also a brutal shock for Dany. Whenever she goes people shiver in fear in front of their dragons, he destroyed the morale of the Lannister army showing up with just one dragon out of three, and everyone realized that a war against dragons couldn't be won.

Then she goes behind the Wall, where she still scarcely believe that White Walkers are actually a thing, and the Night King goes "Hold my beer", aims, takes ONE strike and shoots down Viserion. Brutal and the most horrible wake up call about the threat of the White Walkers.

It was a shock to the audience as well :lol I remember being floored at the fact that one of the dragons died....I 'knew' one or two would die eventually given how the show is but like you said....they were being built up as 'invincible'...especially after Drogon shook off that bolt attack.

And...I think Drogon is dying by the end of the season.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 12, 2019, 07:39:19 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 07:29:37 AM
It's also a brutal shock for Dany. Whenever she goes people shiver in fear in front of their dragons, he destroyed the morale of the Lannister army showing up with just one dragon out of three, and everyone realized that a war against dragons couldn't be won.

Then she goes behind the Wall, where she still scarcely believe that White Walkers are actually a thing, and the Night King goes "Hold my beer", aims, takes ONE strike and shoots down Viserion. Brutal and the most horrible wake up call about the threat of the White Walkers.

Spot on. And right up to that point, she's kicking all kinds of ass. The guys basically stop fighting on that little island as she's mowing hundreds of wights down in single bursts of fire and drowning the rest. That's a hard defeat to swallow after that kind of ass kicking. I can't freaking wait to see how they defeat Viserion - or maybe they just can't, and he only dies when the NK dies - and whether or not Drogon and Rhaegal make it out. I'm betting either both of them die, or Rhaegal dies.

EDIT: Funny that gmd predicts the opposite, that Drogon is gonna die by the end. It's so hard to predict. I want to think that Dany and Drogon live... or maybe Jon lives and has Drogon, or Dany lives and has Rhaegal... 2 more days needs to FLY BY!!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 07:54:22 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 12, 2019, 07:39:19 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 07:29:37 AM
It's also a brutal shock for Dany. Whenever she goes people shiver in fear in front of their dragons, he destroyed the morale of the Lannister army showing up with just one dragon out of three, and everyone realized that a war against dragons couldn't be won.

Then she goes behind the Wall, where she still scarcely believe that White Walkers are actually a thing, and the Night King goes "Hold my beer", aims, takes ONE strike and shoots down Viserion. Brutal and the most horrible wake up call about the threat of the White Walkers.

Spot on. And right up to that point, she's kicking all kinds of ass. The guys basically stop fighting on that little island as she's mowing hundreds of wights down in single bursts of fire and drowning the rest. That's a hard defeat to swallow after that kind of ass kicking. I can't freaking wait to see how they defeat Viserion - or maybe they just can't, and he only dies when the NK dies - and whether or not Drogon and Rhaegal make it out. I'm betting either both of them die, or Rhaegal dies.

EDIT: Funny that gmd predicts the opposite, that Drogon is gonna die by the end. It's so hard to predict. I want to think that Dany and Drogon live... or maybe Jon lives and has Drogon, or Dany lives and has Rhaegal... 2 more days needs to FLY BY!!

I'm leaning towards Jon living with Rhaegal......Danny and Drogon die. Who F'n knows :lol I created one of those office death pools based off a few I saw online and you can sit and convince yourself of each of these characters living the whole time or dying. You can rationalize it either way with any of them. :lol
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 12, 2019, 07:59:00 AM: Yeah the fact that The Spoils Of War did so well at showing the power of the dragons (the way that attack happened even mirrored Hardhome being from the point of view of the victims experiencing the slow building horror as they realise what's coming then the sheer chaos), it was a great moment to have such a brutal takedown of one of the dragons once they faced the White Walkers to show the characters and the audience that it was going to be much more difficult even with dragons.

And I love the fact that even while the dragons are easily burning the wights and there's victorious music, there's no shots of White Walkers looking scared or surprised or anything like that. The first time you see them react after the dragons arrive is when one of them calmly hands the Night's King a spear and he moves forward full of confidence.

Also that for me pretty much confirms the idea that the Night's King knew about and wanted dragons to come and that the whole frozen lake thing was a trap for them. It's the type of thing that at first sounds like an "out there" theory that could maybe be true but requires some reaching. But in fact I think it's reaching to try to explain what happened any other way. From the fact the White Walkers had already been seen at the exact spot Jon Snow and the others made their last stand (when Bran sent ravens beyond the Wall), to the fact that the White Walkers were waiting ready with ice spears that seem specifically suited for killing dragons. And the Night's King was able to see and interact with Bran in his visions so that he has some sort of greenseer like ability is established.

(Incidentally that's one of the reasons I'm forgiving of some of the stuff about the frozen lake standoff that seems contrived or overly convenient - it was contrived, by the White Walkers so they could bring the dragons to them :p )
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 08:06:05 AM: I agree it seems like the Night King and his Knights were expecting the dragons to arrive....and that, Jon and Co. basically walked into a trap. I think they've given us enough evidence that the Night King has 'some' sort of vision like power....what extent is unknown but as you mention....i think he knew those dragons would show up and his 'mission' there was to get himself a Dragon so that he could tear down the wall.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 09:03:24 AM: And to think that all it took was to actually remember that Bran was in Winterfell doing nothing. He could have been the unwitting catalyst of it all - we saw the Night King touch him and we saw him warging into a raven to fly beyond the wall, he should have been the one to alert Dany, not Gendry running by foot to Eastwatch to send a supersonic raven to her.

It would have perfectly explained the whole "the gang is trapped on a lake and the wights just stand there" scenario, the wait for the dragons, and delve more into the mindfuckery of Bran's powers, and how the Night King sees everything he does. A missed opportunity.

(Another suggestion that I liked was that Jaimie should have been part of the suicide squad - he should have been captured after the battle on the road, and the rationale would have been "you go with them. You will see with your own eyes that the White Walkers are real, and if we don't capture a wight, you can still testimony to Cersei they're real". Heck, the whole meeting in the last episode could have been an exchange of favors - we give you back Jaimie and you allow us to go North to fight the White Walkers. I know that Jaime can't always be captured, but it would have given to everyone more reasons to actually meet.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 14, 2019, 10:10:46 AM: On the immediate eve of season 8, I thought it would be nice to look back at how each season began and ended. What's your favorite season ending? (beginnings are a bit tame by comparison)

SEASON 1
Prologue: The White Walkers attack the Night's Watch rangers
Actual first scene: The deserter gets apprehended and news reach Winterfell
Last scene: Dragons come to life in Dany's unburt and naked arms

SEASON 2
First scene: Tournament in honor of Joffrey's nameday
Last scene: Sam witnesses the army of the dead

SEASON 3
Prologue: The immediate aftermath of the White Walkers raid
Actual first scene: Jon Snow reaches Mance Rayder's camp
Last scene: Dany crowdsurfing the freed slaves of Yunkai

SEASON 4
Prologue: Ned Stark's sword gets melted down
Actual first scene: The sword gets presented to Jaimie Lannister
Last scene: Arya travels to Essos

SEASON 5
First scene: Young Cersei gets the prophecy from the witch
Last scene: Jon Snow gets stabbed to death

SEASON 6
First scene: Jon Snow's body is found
Last scene: Dany finally brings her butt to Westeros

SEASON 7
Prologue: Arya poses as Walder Frey to poison all the Frey household
Actual first scene: Bran reaches the Wall, witnessing the army of the dead on march
Last scene: The Night King tears down the Wall thanks to the undead dragon
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Post by: The Walrus on April 14, 2019, 10:15:45 AM: Season 7's ending is my favorite for sure. Can't get much more epic than the king of the undead riding a zombie dragon melting The Wall with blue dragonfire and leading countless numbers of wights across the frozen waste. Although I think season 1's ending is behind it, personally. Jon Snow getting stabbed rounds out the top 3, those are all great endings. Arya leaving and Dany in Yunkai are just kinda... okay.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2019, 10:31:13 AM: I am finally mostly caught up and will get caught up today with the marathon HBO is running in time for the premiere tonight. Really good show and can't wait to see how it ends. :hat
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 14, 2019, 10:58:51 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 14, 2019, 10:15:45 AM
the king of the undead riding a zombie dragon melting The Wall with blue dragonfire and leading countless numbers of wights across the frozen waste

Spelling it out like that makes it even more awesome :lol
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 14, 2019, 03:03:37 PM: Season 7's eding is obviously huge, in a way it almost gave us too much all at once it's hard to take in. Season 1 ending with tyhe sound of dragon song heard once more is brilliant as well. Season 2 with the White Walker's scream as the army of the dead approaches is memorable, kind of eclipsed by Season 7's army of the dead.

Season 6 ending is great, but I think Cersei's coronation should have been the very last one of the "three monarchs" scenes that close the episode rather than coming before Daenerys then it would have been my favourite - that throne room scene and music was so ominous and an excellent callback to the beginning of the episode, sometimes I forget that wasn't actually the last image. Definitely one of the best episodes and season endings of the show.

Season 4 and 5 are fine, Season 5 is a bit weird because the show didn't normally leave us with such direct cliffhangers as the last scene of the season but they were following Martin's book ending. Only Season 3 ending isn't very good, that scene is basically redundant and if you were watching the show all at once you could skip it and it wouldn't make a difference to the story, which isn't a great quality for a season ending scene. Basically just there was nothing great to end on so they went with dragon visuals.

Oh, and beginnings are all good but the one I keep thinking of right now is Season 6 with Ghosts howls heard over Castle Black, beautiful. That was the season that was first moving past the books and dealing with the biggest cliffhanger ending so was probably the most anticipation I had for the very first scene of a season.

Exciting to wonder again what the very beginning of the new season will be in a few hours, and in a few weeks the last scene of the entire series :metalo
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 14, 2019, 03:06:12 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 14, 2019, 03:03:37 PM
Season 6 ending was great, could be the best but I think Cersei's coronation should have been the very last scene rather than coming before Daenerys - that throne room scene and music was so ominous and an excellent callback to the beginning of the episode, sometimes I forget that wasn't actually the last image. Definitely one of the best episodes and season endings of the show.

Exactly my thoughts!!! yeah, probably Dany sailing to Westeros was such a great moment that it couldn't have been a random scene, but as you said the coronation moment and the music was building up to a "uh-oh, here comes trouble" feeling for the end of the season. Like, "you wanted to see a blonde queen on the Iron Throne? you got one, bitches". That would have been an awesome ominous note on which ending the season.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 14, 2019, 03:14:58 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 14, 2019, 03:06:12 PM
Quote from: RuRoRul on April 14, 2019, 03:03:37 PM
Season 6 ending was great, could be the best but I think Cersei's coronation should have been the very last scene rather than coming before Daenerys - that throne room scene and music was so ominous and an excellent callback to the beginning of the episode, sometimes I forget that wasn't actually the last image. Definitely one of the best episodes and season endings of the show.

Exactly my thoughts!!! yeah, probably Dany sailing to Westeros was such a great moment that it couldn't have been a random scene, but as you said the coronation moment and the music was building up to a "uh-oh, here comes trouble" feeling for the end of the season. Like, "you wanted to see a blonde queen on the Iron Throne? you got one, bitches". That would have been an awesome ominous note on which ending the season.
Yeah Daenerys finally sailing for Weateros deserves to be the final scene in almost any other circumstance, but with Cersei's coronation scene what a bold move it would have been to have the dragons finally coming, only to be like "We're not done here." Gives that feeling you describe of "Great, Daenerys is coming back! Uh-oh. Still Cersei to deal with." for a more ominous ending.

That's nitpicking though since the the coronations (or two coronations and a homecoming rather) as a whole were a great way to end the season and set up for Season 7. The Winds Of Winter is definitely among the contenders for greatest episode of the show. Don't want to expect too much from the final season but it would be great if we could get even an episode nearly as good as that.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 14, 2019, 04:14:31 PM: I probably can't watch the premier until wednesday evening. :-\ Which means I will be in hibernation from the internet until then, wish me good luck! :P
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 14, 2019, 04:23:15 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 14, 2019, 04:14:31 PM
I probably can't watch the premier until wednesday evening. :-\ Which means I will be in hibernation from the internet until then, wish me good luck! :P

I don’t see how you make it until then without a spoil or two. Good luck. :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on April 14, 2019, 04:29:01 PM: I set today aside to do absolutely nothing. 2.5 more hours to go. SO EXCITED :biggrin:
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 14, 2019, 04:36:56 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 14, 2019, 04:29:01 PM
I set today aside to do absolutely nothing. 2.5 more hours to go. SO EXCITED :biggrin:

I have a Blues playoff hockey game to watch.....then supposed to play hockey at 10:15......then will watch around midnight.
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Post by: faizoff on April 14, 2019, 08:01:23 PM: What an amazing episode. Sooo much to soak, that episode went by FAST for me.

I loved that it was a setup episode as every season premiere usually is. I loved all the interactions, the reunions, everything!

It was a 54 min episode and it seriously flew I thought it was less than that.

Just adding more thoughts.. new theme animation!
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 14, 2019, 08:07:26 PM: Really liked the episode. Always like seeing reunions
Plenty of them in this episode.
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Post by: masterthes on April 14, 2019, 08:11:52 PM: The new theme was EVERYTHING!

That was way too short though
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 14, 2019, 08:35:57 PM: Episode flew by with not a dull moment, I can't wait for next week.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2019, 08:38:15 PM: That felt like a set-up episode, but a good one, nonetheless.

I still feel like the trajectory will result in Jon Snow ending up on top at the end, but I am sure I will be wrong. :lol :lol
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Post by: lonestar on April 14, 2019, 09:26:21 PM: Damn man...talk about getting all the pieces in their places. I figure the next episode will be more of the same, maybe with Tormund and crew getting a solid ass whooping trying to get back to Winterfell, then the last four will be non stop insanity. So damn good to have it back man.
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Post by: lordxizor on April 15, 2019, 05:36:37 AM: I can't see how this story is going to wrap up in only 5 more episodes. Still so many moving pieces.
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Post by: Chino on April 15, 2019, 05:56:50 AM: I legit jumped and made a weird noise when Umber did his thing.

I enjoyed this episode a lot.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 15, 2019, 06:02:58 AM: I thought the episode was great. Can't wait for next week. We are off to an awesome start.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 15, 2019, 07:03:45 AM: Enjoyed the episode, a lot of interesting things in it but the highlight for me was Samwell, I think it was a great to have him going to tell Jon Snow the truth so charged with emotion after learning about his family's fate. It really made it an intense and interesting scene with him challenging and confronting Jon Snow about it, instead of only being an awkward "Here's something I learned in a book" bit of exposition that might have been more light hearted.

The abandoned Last Hearth scene was suitably eerie, but I liked that even with all the other big things going on the ending was Jaime's return to Winterfell and being confronted with Bran again. Him leaving King's Landing at the end of Season 7 was one of the best scenes, hoping for his story to continue well this season.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 15, 2019, 07:05:36 AM: Great, great start. Much hype.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 07:27:59 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 15, 2019, 07:03:45 AM
Enjoyed the episode, a lot of interesting things in it but the highlight for me was Samwell, I think it was a great to have him going to tell Jon Snow the truth so charged with emotion after learning about his family's fate. It really made it an intense and interesting scene with him challenging and confronting Jon Snow about it, instead of only being an awkward "Here's something I learned in a book" bit of exposition that might have been more light hearted.

The abandoned Last Hearth scene was suitably eerie, but I liked that even with all the other big things going on the ending was Jaime's return to Winterfell and being confronted with Bran again. Him leaving King's Landing at the end of Season 7 was one of the best scenes, hoping for his story to continue well this season.

Agreed with all of this! I watched the episode twice, might watch it again tonight - there were so many great scenes. Right off the bat you can tell it's moving at lightning speed, but I really, truly don't mind that since we're at the end. Things gotta ramp up, quickly.

Musings and observations, SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY:

- I enjoyed Sansa calmly (but clearly annoyed) explaining that she has two extra armies and two adult dragons to worry about feeding, when the winter is brutal enough on the Winterfell population as it is. I think this was brought up in season 7 once or twice, and it's just a small detail I appreciate the show acknowledging amongst all the epic fantasy madness that's going on. It's a bit of a reality check for our heroes; the dragons and Unsullied might be fierce, but if they're not well fed, they are not going to be fighting at their best.

- It was a little heartbreaking seeing Jon initially ecstatic to see Bran, only to find that something is 'up' with him.

- Bronn now has to make a choice. I bet he's going to ride north, but I have no idea if Jaime and/or Tyrion will die. I'm very conflicted on Jaime, because I don't think he has fully atoned for his past sins (I think episode 2 will get into that, judging from its sneak peek and the cliffhanger of episode 1) - at the same time, he has shown that he is a very different person from the evil Prince Charming he used to be. Tyrion, however - he better live through the finale, damn it.

- Epic dragon flight. Aegon Targaryen rides!

- The way Sam expressed his emotions by barely saying a word after Dany told him she killed his family. Did you see how much more upset he got when he heard Dickon died, compared with his father? That scene destroyed me. Sam's one of the only truly 'good' people in the show, and he had a very troubled relationship with his father Randyll, but he loved his brother.

- Just like the above, Jon's facial expressions as he's trying to comprehend both the truth of his parents and how Ned lied to him his entire life. "That's treason" - I didn't even think about that. How in the world are they going to bring this up to Daenerys? Jon might not want to believe it, but I think it's in his nature to let the truth be told, once he comes to terms with the reality of who he actually is.

- The whole scene with Ned Umber was terrifying. Night King means business. Now I just hope Tormund & Friends make it back to Winterfell in one piece.

- Jaime's horrified reaction at seeing Bran and realizing who he is. That's one subplot that's guaranteed to make for good TV next episode.

Game of Thrones is back, baby! Is it next weekend yet?

EDIT: I also forgot about Theon! I thought it was great when the guy took an axe to the face and then here comes Theon, without saying a word, and saves Yara. And then she headbutts him... and helps him up. There's a chance for House Greyjoy :)
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Post by: Grappler on April 15, 2019, 07:42:18 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 15, 2019, 07:27:59 AM
- Bronn now has to make a choice. I bet he's going to ride north, but I have no idea if Jaime and/or Tyrion will die. I'm very conflicted on Jaime, because I don't think he has fully atoned for his past sins (I think episode 2 will get into that, judging from its sneak peek and the cliffhanger of episode 1) - at the same time, he has shown that he is a very different person from the evil Prince Charming he used to be. Tyrion, however - he better live through the finale, damn it.

This show just can't do any wrong for me. I could care less for all of the nitpicking about time and distance. It's just such a fun show and so well written and acted. I just wish the dark scenes (like in that Umber house) and the main hall in Winterfell weren't SO dark. I couldn't see a thing. It was like that over the last few seasons too.

If Jamie is injured or dies in battle, Arya better take his face and go kill Cersei. Not only to avenge Ned, but to put a nice little twist on the fanboy theory that Jamie is going to be the one to kill her. Jamie really only has to make amends for pushing Bran out of the window. Other than that, he is really a changed man, as evident by him abandoning Cersei.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 07:45:35 AM: Quote from: Grappler on April 15, 2019, 07:42:18 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 15, 2019, 07:27:59 AM
- Bronn now has to make a choice. I bet he's going to ride north, but I have no idea if Jaime and/or Tyrion will die. I'm very conflicted on Jaime, because I don't think he has fully atoned for his past sins (I think episode 2 will get into that, judging from its sneak peek and the cliffhanger of episode 1) - at the same time, he has shown that he is a very different person from the evil Prince Charming he used to be. Tyrion, however - he better live through the finale, damn it.

This show just can't do any wrong for me. I could care less for all of the nitpicking about time and distance. It's just such a fun show and so well written and acted. I just wish the dark scenes (like in that Umber house) and the main hall in Winterfell weren't SO dark. I couldn't see a thing. It was like that over the last few seasons too.

If Jamie is injured or dies in battle, Arya better take his face and go kill Cersei. Not only to avenge Ned, but to put a nice little twist on the fanboy theory that Jamie is going to be the one to kill her. Jamie really only has to make amends for pushing Bran out of the window. Other than that, he is really a changed man, as evident by him abandoning Cersei.

I also agree with all of this :biggrin: I don't think Ned has ever properly been avenged (Joffrey ordered the execution, but Olenna killed him for other reasons) - so Arya getting to kill Queen Bitch would be sooo pleasing :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 07:56:01 AM: Definitely felt like a season set up episode which is cool, it's been so long so it felt so awesome to see all the familiar faces again and get a lot more reunions. I wasn't crazy about Arya and Jon's reunion though, felt odd for a bit before they finally exchanged swords.

I loved Euron's scene, and I love how his desire is to simply fuck the queen. I was glad he did, because sometimes the show leaves out how sexual Cersei really is. I totally expected her character to do it, but the baby adds the new twist to it. Also loved how she was upset with no Elephants :lol

Sansa and Dany dislike thing is a bit odd. I understand the North not wanting to rally behind Dany, but like, come on. They kind of need the dragons and her armies and Sansa should know this better and not be so annoying. It almost feels a bit like her drama with Arya last season, unnecessary.

The dragon riding scene was fun, definitely felt like Disney specifically reminded me of the Avatar ride.

The Sam scene with Dany was great, I mean it was sad, but so well done and you know that had to hurt Dany too since Tyrion was very much against her burning his dad and Dickon.

LOVED the new intro. Was shocked how it was completely new animations, and really showed the crypts.

Is Bronn really going to kill Tyrion? Love how the cross bow is back, but I find this really hard to believe, especially since Tyrion has always said he'd pay him more to work for him, and now Jaime is in Winterfell.

I'm really salivating for the rest of this season
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Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 08:08:31 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 07:56:01 AM
Sansa and Dany dislike thing is a bit odd. I understand the North not wanting to rally behind Dany, but like, come on. They kind of need the dragons and her armies and Sansa should know this better and not be so annoying. It almost feels a bit like her drama with Arya last season, unnecessary.

I think the Dany-Sansa tension makes a lot of sense if you look at it from Sansa's POV, and I only want to lay it out there because I think it's far more realistic than the Arya-Sansa drama last season (and I need to keep talking about the ep :lol). So first of all, she has extra armies and two dragons, but like she said, she has to figure out some magical way to feed them all, and this especially harsh winter is already taxing Winterfell's food stores for their own population (as they said in season 7). On top of that, you have the King in the North, to whom the northern Lords swore fealty, bending the knee to a Targaryen heir and then bringing her, her dragons, and her army of Unsullied to their home, to break the news that 1) he is no longer King in the North, 2) Dany is the rightful queen, and 3) he has bent the knee to this Targaryen queen. And now this person they've just met, the heir to the throne, is walking right into their ancestral home and capitol of the North with the expectation that she is everyone's queen (like she tells Jon later in the episode) although she has yet to even visit King's Landing once and the war isn't over. Sansa's power is threatened, the loyalty of all the lords in the North is shaken (also seen later), and faith in Jon is rapidly fading.

I'm with you, they definitely need to shake it off for the time being, but remember, the North not only distrusts outsiders, they especially distrust Targaryens. It's going to get super heated when freaking Jaime Lannister of all people enters the picture next week.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 08:19:48 AM: Yea, I understand there is tension and there should be. Just seems Sansa doesn't get it specifcally where they say she is the smartest person in westeros. Also, I understand the north being weary of Tyrion and eventually Jaime, that makes a lot more sense than Dany. Sure food rations are an issue, but I mean, that's more than just a problem because of Dany's armies, you have the rest of the north there too during the winter. There's no way this hold out in Winterfell can or will last long anyway.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 08:22:02 AM: I agree, I don't see any outcome in which Winterfell and the vast majority of its people aren't annihilated in the upcoming fight. Episode 3's going to be tragic.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 08:28:40 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 15, 2019, 08:22:02 AM
I agree, I don't see any outcome in which Winterfell and the vast majority of its people aren't annihilated in the upcoming fight. Episode 3's going to be tragic.

This. My buddies this morning were texting saying ' there's only (5) episodes left...when are people going to start dying?' :lol Ummm.....be patient. That battle is going to wipe out a lot of folks.
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Post by: Grappler on April 15, 2019, 08:35:06 AM: Quick shoutout to Tormund's line of "I'VE ALWAYS HAD BLUE EYES!" :lol

As much as I laugh at all of Tyrion's quips, this line had me fully cracking up.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:25:52 AM: did anyone get a good look at that mystery weapon Arya asked Gendry to build? It looked like something detached.....like maybe it was a sling shot of some sort or maybe a blow dart gun that shot dragon glass?
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Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 09:28:29 AM: Saw a comment on Reddit just now predicting that Jaime will kill Bran, because he thinks Bran = Night King, and Jaime = Kingslayer. Never thought about that before. That would be very interesting.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:25:52 AM
did anyone get a good look at that mystery weapon Arya asked Gendry to build? It looked like something detached.....like maybe it was a sling shot of some sort or maybe a blow dart gun that shot dragon glass?

Here it is:

(https://i2.wp.com/oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2019/04/Gendry-Weapon-720x402.png?resize=696%2C389&ssl=1)

Some kind of projectile for sure. Doubt it's a gun, but a blow dart/slingshot type thing... that would be really cool.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 15, 2019, 09:32:09 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:25:52 AM
did anyone get a good look at that mystery weapon Arya asked Gendry to build? It looked like something detached.....like maybe it was a sling shot of some sort or maybe a blow dart gun that shot dragon glass?
I think it is essentially a staff or double spear with dragonglass at either end (which she can wield like the staff she practiced with in the House of Black and White) that can be detatched in the middle so that the individual ends can be used like daggers. Maybe not a great example but think a bit like Darth Maul's lightsaber :lol She was scene using a weapon like that in the trailer.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:32:49 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 15, 2019, 09:28:29 AM
Saw a comment on Reddit just now predicting that Jaime will kill Bran, because he thinks Bran = Night King, and Jaime = Kingslayer. Never thought about that before. That would be very interesting.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:25:52 AM
did anyone get a good look at that mystery weapon Arya asked Gendry to build? It looked like something detached.....like maybe it was a sling shot of some sort or maybe a blow dart gun that shot dragon glass?

Here it is:

(https://i2.wp.com/oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2019/04/Gendry-Weapon-720x402.png?resize=696%2C389&ssl=1)

Some kind of projectile for sure. Doubt it's a gun, but a blow dart/slingshot type thing... that would be really cool.

Cool...thanks for the screenshot. Certainly looks like something detaches....just the manner in which it's triggered doesn't seem clear.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:33:29 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 15, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:25:52 AM
did anyone get a good look at that mystery weapon Arya asked Gendry to build? It looked like something detached.....like maybe it was a sling shot of some sort or maybe a blow dart gun that shot dragon glass?
I think it is essentially a staff or double spear with dragonglass at either end (which she can wield like the staff she practiced with in the House of Black and White) that can be detatched in the middle so that the individual ends can be used like daggers. Maybe not a great example but think a bit like Darth Maul's lightsaber :lol She was scene using a weapon like that in the trailer.

Oh yeah.....very good observation.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 09:37:31 AM: Oh man that would be the coolest thing if Arya was Darth Maul-ing everything to death :2metal:
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Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 09:38:19 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 15, 2019, 09:28:29 AM
Saw a comment on Reddit just now predicting that Jaime will kill Bran, because he thinks Bran = Night King, and Jaime = Kingslayer. Never thought about that before. That would be very interesting.

Wouldn't really be fitting of his character's journey to righteousness but maybe if there is more reasoning to this. But it does make me wonder how he will interact with Bran.

Picture definitely made me think projectile, but maybe it's just a replaceable head to a staff?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:40:46 AM: Bran is just flat creepy now. Reminds me of that puppet in Poltergeist. Just staring at you....all....'dead eyed'.....
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Post by: Chino on April 15, 2019, 09:42:02 AM: Here's a slightly better quality pic.

(https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/game-of-thrones-dragonglass-weapon-arya-asked-gendry-to-make.jpg)

I don't think it's got dragon glass on both ends as she specifically only called for it on one end. The non-dragon glass end looks kind of funny. My money is on a trigger mechanism like the crossbows we've seen in the show thus far.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 09:43:03 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:40:46 AM
Bran is just flat creepy now. Reminds me of that puppet in Poltergeist. Just staring at you....all....'dead eyed'.....

Yea, he is really creepy now. Thought his short talk with Jon was kind of funny, sad, but like funny how Jon didn't have to say it but you could read his face of "wtf happened"
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Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 09:45:51 AM: Dragonglass projectile... Maybe it's for Zombie Viserion, since Bran dropped that bomb.

Also, did anyone catch Tyrion's great dig at Davos as the Karstarks arrived? "One of the better sigils. Beats an onion, anyway." Davos, the onion smuggler, the Onion Knight :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 09:47:36 AM: And of course I just read a theory on it now, the other end could be Valyrian steel from her dagger, and the replaceable/projectile end is obviously dragonglass since it says so. Essentially it would be a white walker killing machine type of weapon since both can be used, the glass could break being used so that makes sense for it to be replaceable or even cooler if it's a projectile, but the valyrian steel end would make the staff useful regardless since that won't break.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 09:50:37 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 15, 2019, 09:42:02 AM
Here's a slightly better quality pic.

(https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/game-of-thrones-dragonglass-weapon-arya-asked-gendry-to-make.jpg)

I don't think it's got dragon glass on both ends as she specifically only called for it on one end. The non-dragon glass end looks kind of funny. My money is on a trigger mechanism like the crossbows we've seen in the show thus far.

that end looks like a version of a cord or something coiled up....to where you pull it and the dragon glass shoots out.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 10:02:34 AM: So....does Dany 'bend the knee' when it's revealed to her that Jon is actually Aegon and the 'rightful heir' to the throne? Or, are we going to see something happen like Jon will be the one eventually kill Dany because she starts getting a bit too much 'mad king' in her decisions and actions?
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Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2019, 10:03:36 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 15, 2019, 08:08:31 AM

I think the Dany-Sansa tension makes a lot of sense if you look at it from Sansa's POV, and I only want to lay it out there because I think it's far more realistic than the Arya-Sansa drama last season (and I need to keep talking about the ep :lol). So first of all, she has extra armies and two dragons, but like she said, she has to figure out some magical way to feed them all, and this especially harsh winter is already taxing Winterfell's food stores for their own population (as they said in season 7). On top of that, you have the King in the North, to whom the northern Lords swore fealty, bending the knee to a Targaryen heir and then bringing her, her dragons, and her army of Unsullied to their home, to break the news that 1) he is no longer King in the North, 2) Dany is the rightful queen, and 3) he has bent the knee to this Targaryen queen. And now this person they've just met, the heir to the throne, is walking right into their ancestral home and capitol of the North with the expectation that she is everyone's queen (like she tells Jon later in the episode) although she has yet to even visit King's Landing once and the war isn't over. Sansa's power is threatened, the loyalty of all the lords in the North is shaken (also seen later), and faith in Jon is rapidly fading.

I'm with you, they definitely need to shake it off for the time being, but remember, the North not only distrusts outsiders, they especially distrust Targaryens. It's going to get super heated when freaking Jaime Lannister of all people enters the picture next week.

I agree, regarding Sansa. Jon Snow seems like a noble guy who could concede certain things for the greater good, especially when you factor in his feelings for Mother of Dragons, but with the revelation that he is a Targaryen, Sansa chirping in his ear about Danny cannot be trusted is now going to mess with his head in a big way, and that will ultimately factor into how that plays out, I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 15, 2019, 10:16:33 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 10:02:34 AM
So....does Dany 'bend the knee' when it's revealed to her that Jon is actually Aegon and the 'rightful heir' to the throne? Or, are we going to see something happen like Jon will be the one eventually kill Dany because she starts getting a bit too much 'mad king' in her decisions and actions?

I think that we're going to find out very soon that Dany isn't all that different than Cersei. She want power more than anything else, and the whole "help my people" thing has been an act from day one. I wouldn't be surprised if the dragons turned on her. Her dragons are hungry and when Sansa asked what dragons eat, Dany replied "whatever they want" (or something along those lines).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 10:28:41 AM: Dany going mad king has been a big theory all along and while still possible, the look in Dany's eye when she realized she burned Sam's father and brother made me think maybe she had regrets about being so vicious. Obviously her handling of Jon's heritage will tell the truth.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 10:33:25 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 10:28:41 AM
Dany going mad king has been a big theory all along and while still possible, the look in Dany's eye when she realized she burned Sam's father and brother made me think maybe she had regrets about being so vicious. Obviously her handling of Jon's heritage will tell the truth.

Yeah, I think Tyrion's lecturing on how to be a 'good ruler' when she was preparing to torch the Tarlys came back to her in that moment. Boy I can't wait to see her face when she finds out the truth of the Targaryen lineage. Talk about :corn
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 10:35:35 AM: Bran is going to have to tell her something to make her believe it too, got to admit that is really hard to believe without some proof and would be such a huge system shock to everything she thought about herself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Indiscipline on April 15, 2019, 10:40:05 AM: Very nice setup, and a lot of classy symmetry with season one's very first episode.

Anyone got chills when Arya whispered that incredibly menacing "Don't forget it" in Jon's ear?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 10:40:43 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 10:35:35 AM
Bran is going to have to tell her something to make her believe it too, got to admit that is really hard to believe without some proof and would be such a huge system shock to everything she thought about herself.

I wonder if Sam brought with him the book in which Gilly read about the High Septon and the marriage. That would be convincing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 10:45:33 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 15, 2019, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 10:35:35 AM
Bran is going to have to tell her something to make her believe it too, got to admit that is really hard to believe without some proof and would be such a huge system shock to everything she thought about herself.

I wonder if Sam brought with him the book in which Gilly read about the High Septon and the marriage. That would be convincing.

Oh true, he did say he wanted a pardon for stealing books. I can't imagine where else they would be, but is that even enough? Being that the book was pretty much hidden and unknown, is that believable even if from a maester? Maybe, I'm just wondering if she'll need a little more, like Littlefinger was denying his charges until Bran gave him the details of how he betrayed the Starks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 15, 2019, 10:57:24 AM: It's great to have so many things to talk about from it. I didn't want to expect to much from the first episode back since the first episode of each season is normally quite slow burning and contains a lot of setting up for the rest of the season. Even though that's still true here, felt like this episode had a bit more to it than the opening episode of most seasons. For example in Season 7 the first episode had Jon Snow making a couple of decisions about ruling the North such as returning the young Karstark and Umber to their positions (incidentally both returned this episode with the Karstark Lady seen bringing her people to Winterfell, and poor Ned Umber who we started out the episode with although things spiralled a bit out of control for him by the end), Euron meeting Cersei, Bran arriving at the Wall, Sam doing routine tasks in maester training, and the lengthy visual sequence of Daenerys arriving at Dragonstone. The only big event was Arya finishing off the Freys. Compared to that this episode was packed.

One thing to mention from this episode since it's basically already done is Theon's rescue of Yara. A pretty sudden victory for Theon, I suppose we didn't really need to see any more of him planning after his decision to go after her at the end of season 7. Nice callback to "old Theon" who was very skilled with a bow with the guards being shot down. And a good conclusion to Theon and Yara's relationship that's played out over many seasons. With Yara going to reclaim the Iron Islands while Euron and his fleet are "gallivanting" around, I suspect we probably won't see her again until the end of the series where they might tie up some loose ends. Holding the Iron Islands as a fallback gives her something useful to do that keeps her out of the action. I think this was one of those storylines that could get wrapped up quite quickly so it was dealt with in the opening episode alongside the setup for the main season story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 15, 2019, 11:07:05 AM: What I liked:
- Jaime's arrival at Winterfell, this actor started out slightly above average in season 1 but now I think he's the best actor on the show.
- The Night's Watch/Brotherhood/Wildlings scene with wight Umber was very well done.
- The intro sequence is great.
- Sam scene- another amazing actor btw- with Dany and Jorah was very moving.
- Sansa & Tyrion's exchange about Jofferey's wedding was good, I honestly assumed they weren't gonna bother showing us that.
- Jon & Arya's reunion.
- I like that Sansa didn't take to Dany, it makes sense as it seems like Sansa's strategic thinking has become a composite of Little Finger and Ramsay Snow's minds.
- Sam's reunion with Jon was very heart felt.
- The breaking of Cersei when she stopped and realized Euron is the last of her reliable allies so she'd better make him happy. The actress is still phenomenal.

Laughed:
- Bron trying to get a hard on while the girls are discussing burnt soldiers and dragon fire.
- Jon trying to get a hard on while the dragon watches with great interest.

Disliked:
- Significant CGI downgrade on everything, the dragons for sure but also all wide shots of Winterfell looked bad.
- At first I thought I didn't like the Jon/Dany dragon riding scene cause it was very cheesy but on second viewing I realized that it could have been done neatly and it's not that cheesy in it's very nature but it just didn't work for me or didn't strike me as the epic event it should have been when Jon finally rides a dragon. They did it when it was unnecessary for them to do it, felt like something out of The Astonishing heh
- Sam's reveal to Jon, another HUGELY ANTICIPATED moment, maybe the biggest of this universe, was lackluster to me. Possibly because Kit Harrington is a very average actor.

On the teaser for the next episode:
So it looks like Jaime is going on trail of some sort for his shit ton of crimes against everyone who's in charge in Winterfell right now, that should be interesting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2019, 11:07:48 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 10:28:41 AM
Dany going mad king has been a big theory all along and while still possible, the look in Dany's eye when she realized she burned Sam's father and brother made me think maybe she had regrets about being so vicious. Obviously her handling of Jon's heritage will tell the truth.

I also noticed she smiled last night like I never had seen her character before. It was a joyful and playful smile (basically, Emilia Clarke's natural smile) in being with Jon. And now the revelation that is coming will ruin that short-lived happiness. Oh, those writers... :lol :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 11:09:49 AM: Huh. I thought the dragons looked better than ever. Those shots of Drogon staring at Jon for exampled looked extraordinary.

Did anyone else catch a lot of grey in Yara's hair? Thought that was a nice touch. Shows how much time has passed in the show, as well as how much stress she's gone through in however long she's been in captivity.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 15, 2019, 11:11:30 AM: Speaking of Yara, how the hell did Theon get to her? Was the fleet left completely unguarded while Euron was putting the moves on Cersei?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2019, 11:41:32 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 15, 2019, 11:11:30 AM
Speaking of Yara, how the hell did Theon get to her? Was the fleet left completely unguarded while Euron was putting the moves on Cersei?

It's funny because I thought her attempted rescue of Theon a few seasons ago was terribly executed, it was exciting to watch but kind of made no sense logistically. This was even worse. It kind of just happened. Also, didn't Theon think Euron was going back to the Iron Islands as that's what Euron publicly stated? I guess Theon's small crew could have tracked them to Essos and back or had some other intel they gathered along the way, and then got super sneaky to make the move, but they showed none of it and it just happened seemingly very easily.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 11:45:29 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 15, 2019, 11:07:05 AM
- At first I thought I didn't like the Jon/Dany dragon riding scene cause it was very cheesy but on second viewing I realized that it could have been done neatly and it's not that cheesy in it's very nature but it just didn't work for me or didn't strike me as the epic event it should have been when Jon finally rides a dragon. They did it when it was unnecessary for them to do it, felt like something out of The Astonishing heh
- Sam's reveal to Jon, another HUGELY ANTICIPATED moment, maybe the biggest of this universe, was lackluster to me. Possibly because Kit Harrington is a very average actor.

While I enjoyed the episode and generally didn't mind either instances of these two moments.....for me....I tend to agree that both kind of 'fell short' of how I'd have envisioned them going.

Specifically Jon riding Viserion felt a bit 'forced' in that moment. I'd have liked to have seen that moment happen at a more crucial or inspiring time. I 'think' the writers may have been going for something along the lines of Dany trusting/loving Jon so much she is comfortable with him with 'her baby's'....and that moment was meant to signify how much she cared for him.....but, I do think it missed the mark a hair.

As far as the reveal to Jon that he's in fact a Targaryn and the rightful heir to the throne....same sentiment. I'd have liked to see that happen in a more impactful environment....being revealed to more than just Jon in the moment.

I'll trust it'll all work its way out in the end but those two moments deserved to be something more grand scale IMO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 11:47:32 AM: Alt Shift X brought up an interesting point on his livestream after the episode. In the books it's explained that Targaryens can ride dragons because it's in their blood. I guess TV show Dany didn't know that when she let him ride... otherwise she would be aware he has the proper claim to the throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 15, 2019, 11:50:10 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
As far as the reveal to Jon that he's in fact a Targaryn and the rightful heir to the throne....same sentiment. I'd have liked to see that happen in a more impactful environment....being revealed to more than just Jon in the moment.

I'll trust it'll all work its way out in the end but those two moments deserved to be something more grand scale IMO.

Weren't Ned's last words to Jon "Next time we see each other, we'll talk about your mother"? Jon was told in front of his statue in the crypts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 11:56:26 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 15, 2019, 11:50:10 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
As far as the reveal to Jon that he's in fact a Targaryn and the rightful heir to the throne....same sentiment. I'd have liked to see that happen in a more impactful environment....being revealed to more than just Jon in the moment.

I'll trust it'll all work its way out in the end but those two moments deserved to be something more grand scale IMO.

Weren't Ned's last words to Jon "Next time we see each other, we'll talk about your mother"? Jon was told in front of his statue in the crypts.

That's pretty neat. Again....I didn't mind the two moments, they were handled just fine........it's one of those instances where I had convinced myself both those moments would have been handled differently than they were.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 15, 2019, 12:01:45 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 11:56:26 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 15, 2019, 11:50:10 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
As far as the reveal to Jon that he's in fact a Targaryn and the rightful heir to the throne....same sentiment. I'd have liked to see that happen in a more impactful environment....being revealed to more than just Jon in the moment.

I'll trust it'll all work its way out in the end but those two moments deserved to be something more grand scale IMO.

Weren't Ned's last words to Jon "Next time we see each other, we'll talk about your mother"? Jon was told in front of his statue in the crypts.

That's pretty neat. Again....I didn't mind the two moments, they were handled just fine........it's one of those instances where I had convinced myself both those moments would have been handled differently than they were.

Yeah, I hear you.

I'm torn about the dragon riding thing, tbh. I mean, had the first time Jon gotten on the dragon been in a critical moment, like a battle or something, I would have been complaining about how he was able to fight on the back of a dragon having never ridden one before. I actually expected Jon to ride one of them in private. Like he would just walking about one night, unable to sleep, and then one of the dragons would seek him out and let him get on, in the process also realizing that the only way that's possible is because he's blood. I thought both moments would have been one in the same, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 12:21:22 PM: Quote from: Chino on April 15, 2019, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 11:56:26 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 15, 2019, 11:50:10 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
As far as the reveal to Jon that he's in fact a Targaryn and the rightful heir to the throne....same sentiment. I'd have liked to see that happen in a more impactful environment....being revealed to more than just Jon in the moment.

I'll trust it'll all work its way out in the end but those two moments deserved to be something more grand scale IMO.

Weren't Ned's last words to Jon "Next time we see each other, we'll talk about your mother"? Jon was told in front of his statue in the crypts.

That's pretty neat. Again....I didn't mind the two moments, they were handled just fine........it's one of those instances where I had convinced myself both those moments would have been handled differently than they were.

Yeah, I hear you.

I'm torn about the dragon riding thing, tbh. I mean, had the first time Jon gotten on the dragon been in a critical moment, like a battle or something, I would have been complaining about how he was able to fight on the back of a dragon having never ridden one before. I actually expected Jon to ride one of them in private. Like he would just walking about one night, unable to sleep, and then one of the dragons would seek him out and let him get on, in the process also realizing that the only way that's possible is because he's blood. I thought both moments would have been one in the same, if that makes sense.

I think the only thing that really 'bothers' me about the way it happened is that moment was a bit too 'bachelor' for me.....the romantic getaway date :lol The entire vibe of the scene was way too happy for GOT....but again, I think they were going for a chance to show just how much those two care for one another now. Like you said....had he just hopped on Rhaegal out of nowhere and started to ride him into battle that'd have been odd. At least now it'll seem more 'realistic' when/if he mounts him to go into battle.

But I did think they did a good job of showing a bit of emotion in Rhaegal when he gazed at Jon snow. I'm going to re-watch that later tonight but even before Jon climbed aboard Rhaegal was giving him an approving look to where he knew that Jon was Targaryn and it was 'all good' for him to climb on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 12:22:33 PM: ^^ The green one that Jon rode is Rhaegal. The red one looking at Jon is Drogon. Viserion is the dead one ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 12:24:32 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 15, 2019, 12:22:33 PM
^^ The green one that Jon rode is Rhaegal. The red one looking at Jon is Drogon. Viserion is the dead one ;)

Oh yeah....that's right. Duh. I had Viserion on my mind from a different text thread I have going with my buddies. :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 15, 2019, 01:19:13 PM: All I needed to know it was back was the first dialogue of the season being Tyrion making eunuch jokes about freezing balls.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2019, 01:34:29 PM: I think it was last season where someone asked Tyrion why he makes eunuch jokes and the exchange was:

Tyrion: I make eunuch jokes, he makes dwarf jokes.

Varys: I do not make dwarf jokes.

Tyrion: You think them.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on April 15, 2019, 01:52:09 PM: I was okay with the episode but was not blown away. We'll see what happens in the next few.

One moment that really had me rolling was when just after the dragons started flying together, with Jon and Dany on their backs, my son-in-law starting singing the opening lines to "A Whole New World." :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 15, 2019, 03:12:46 PM: Finally saw it. Solid episode through and through, no complaints at all from me. Yes, if we think long and hard enough, we can find something to nitpick about (for example Theon finding Euron's ships as discussed above), but all things considered it was a very nice episode. Too bad there are only five left - but I guess an introductory episode, even with such a short running time, has to happen.

Some random musings here and there:
- Sansa's becoming a little bit of a bitch. She has all the reasons of course but damn, now I'd be afraid to look her in the eye if I'd cross her way.
- Dany putting her to her place... "What do dragons eat anyway?" "Whatever they want". Ouch.
- Poor Sam. Great emotional moments for the character, you wish you could give him a hug.
- Glad that Jon's first reaction to the reveal wasn't "wait, so you're telling me I just fucked my aunt?"
- JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THE UNDED UMBER KID OH MY GOD I WON'T SLEEP TONIGHT. Creepy, creepy, unsettling moment!
- In every other fantasy movie or series, the two heroes would ride away on horses to have their romantic getaway. In Game of Thrones, they use dragons :lol
- "The dead have breached the Wall". "Good". Goddammit Cersei, to quote what once Yara said about Theon, "Are you the dumbest cunt alive?"
- Bronn is totally gonna flip on Cersei and side with Jaimie and Tyrion, right? ......right?
- Totally underwhelmed by the reveal that Viserion is now an undead dragon. I hoped it would have been a huge moment, something like a shriek in the cold night and Dany going FFFFUUUUUU, but basically Bran spoiled it like any random WesterBook user, "oh, the Dead have come through and they've got your dragon. Welcome to Winterfell". I guess it was only inevitable, the survivors at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea would have sent a raven-telegram "DRAGON TORE DOWN WALL, ARMY OF THE DEAD MARCHING". So it was inevitable that it couldn't have been a secret.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 15, 2019, 03:29:19 PM: Not a Spoiler (*Edit* This actually is kind of a spoiler)

Make sure you have your volume on.

https://v.redd.it/t9gl79w5ics21

:rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2019, 03:32:24 PM: Quote from: Chino on April 15, 2019, 03:29:19 PM
Not a Spoiler

Make sure you have your volume on.

https://v.redd.it/t9gl79w5ics21

:rollin

:rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2019, 03:37:49 PM: Quote from: Chino on April 15, 2019, 03:29:19 PM
Not a Spoiler

Make sure you have your volume on.

https://v.redd.it/t9gl79w5ics21

:rollin

That is awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 15, 2019, 03:56:41 PM: I enjoyed that episode more than all of season 7. Kind of had the feel of the early seasons.

And did Cersai make more zombie knights?

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d0/80/96/d08096fa63f81d539c5a17ec4237b1b8.jpg)

And Braun with the chicks and Qybern was like "that girl will die of the pox in a year" and Braun is like "which girl" :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on April 15, 2019, 08:37:25 PM: That was a classic Braun line for sure :lol

It was also great to see Arya and the Hound together again, I always felt they had the best chemistry of any two characters, and their earlier interplay was some of my favorite parts of the show. I truly hope they have more time together, they are two of a kind in my eyes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2019, 09:02:11 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 15, 2019, 03:12:46 PM

- Poor Sam. Great emotional moments for the character, you wish you could give him a hug.

That was the best scene of the episode. It was crushing to see his reaction, and the performance by all three actors in that scene was phenomenal.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on April 16, 2019, 01:10:09 AM: Great first episode! The dragon flying scene was stretching it a bit, but I’m thinking that they were showing us Jon and Dany all loved up, as it’s gonna be all downhill from here. That’s probably why we got the big reveal so soon.

Great to see the Hound and Arya have a scene together. I hope there will be more to come.

Do we think Bronn is going to carry out his assignment, or does he have a shred of loyalty in his whole body? Can’t see either him or Tyrion lasting the full season.. :)

Oh, and the look on Jaime’s face when he recognised the boy he pushed out of the window!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 01:16:30 AM: Bran's probably gonna be chill about it. He's so caught up in his Three-Eyed-Ravenness that he would probably reply with a vacant stare "well... all things happen for a reason... I can see so many things now... btw dude did you really have to bang your sister next to the corpse of your son?"

It's Dany's reaction to meeting Jaimie, and how Jaimie will respond, that I look forward to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 06:36:40 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on April 16, 2019, 01:10:09 AM
Do we think Bronn is going to carry out his assignment, or does he have a shred of loyalty in his whole body?

I don’t think there’s anyway Bronn kills either of them. Just don’t see it happening. That’d be the shocker of all shockers if he actually killed either of them.

Another thing that was mentioned on the ‘behind the episode’ was that Targaryn’s are the only ones who can ‘fly’ dragons. So, that scene with Jon flying Rhaegal was also meant to help solidify (in his and Dany’s eyes) that Jon is a Targaryn when it’s finally revealed to Dany....and I guess everyone else.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 16, 2019, 06:42:11 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 06:36:40 AM
Quote from: Logain Ablar on April 16, 2019, 01:10:09 AM
Do we think Bronn is going to carry out his assignment, or does he have a shred of loyalty in his whole body?

I don’t think there’s anyway Bronn kills either of them. Just don’t see it happening. That’d be the shocker of all shockers if he actually killed either of them.

"Listen to me, cunt. 'Til I get what I'm owed, a dragon doesn't get to kill you. You don't get to kill you. Only I get to kill you!"

Jamie better deliver that castle quick :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 06:43:36 AM: Let's also keep in mind that it has been publicy made known that Lena Headey and Jerome Flinn can't stand each other, to the point that they don't want any scenes together, so unless they somehow reconciled or at the very least stopped to hate each other, you're not gonna see Bronn delivering Tyrion's head to Cersei.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 16, 2019, 06:49:05 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 06:43:36 AM
Let's also keep in mind that it has been publicy made known that Lena Headey and Jerome Flinn can't stand each other, to the point that they don't want any scenes together, so unless they somehow reconciled or at the very least stopped to hate each other, you're not gonna see Bronn delivering Tyrion's head to Cersei.

Pretty sure HBO's stance on that would be something along the lines of "We don't care about your shit. Here's the script. Follow it or you will be sued for breach of contract". Then again, now that I'm trying to think of one, I can't think of a single scene that they were together in.

What's their deal anyway? This is the first I'm hearing of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 06:58:21 AM: All that has been told is that they were in a relationship and they had a bad breakup.

They have ONE scene together - but they're not interacting. Bronn is part of the delegation that comes to fetch the queen when the High Sparrow was running things, Cersei obviously told everyone "Screw you, I have the undead Mountain with me" and they all walked away. They were present in the scene but Bronn and Cersei didn't talk.

And yes, I agree that they're both actors and that they should not dictate such terms and, you know, act. You can pretend you love someone, you can as well pretend you don't love someone. Hell, Cersei hates everyone anyway so Lena shouldn't even have to pretend.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 16, 2019, 06:59:55 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 16, 2019, 06:49:05 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 06:43:36 AM
Let's also keep in mind that it has been publicy made known that Lena Headey and Jerome Flinn can't stand each other, to the point that they don't want any scenes together, so unless they somehow reconciled or at the very least stopped to hate each other, you're not gonna see Bronn delivering Tyrion's head to Cersei.

Pretty sure HBO's stance on that would be something along the lines of "We don't care about your shit. Here's the script. Follow it or you will be sued for breach of contract". Then again, now that I'm trying to think of one, I can't think of a single scene that they were together in.

What's their deal anyway? This is the first I'm hearing of it.

I believe it is in their contracts to not be in the same scenes together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 07:01:53 AM: I never noticed this, but that's kind of lame although I guess if I haven't even noticed then it's not a big deal other than kind of being a spoiler now knowing they won't be in a scene together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 16, 2019, 07:01:58 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 06:58:21 AM
All that has been told is that they were in a relationship and they had a bad breakup.

They have ONE scene together - but they're not interacting. Bronn is part of the delegation that comes to fetch the queen when the High Sparrow was running things, Cersei obviously told everyone "Screw you, I have the undead Mountain with me" and they all walked away. They were present in the scene but Bronn and Cersei didn't talk.

And yes, I agree that they're both actors and that they should not dictate such terms and, you know, act. You can pretend you love someone, you can as well pretend you don't love someone. Hell, Cersei hates everyone anyway so Lena shouldn't even have to pretend.

Yeah, that was on my mind too :lol

When Qybern came in and was like "Cersai wants..." I was like "uh-oh, they are gonna be in the same room together for a scene". This should be interesting, but they were able to get around it.

I see him joining the north.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 16, 2019, 07:16:54 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 16, 2019, 06:59:55 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 16, 2019, 06:49:05 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 06:43:36 AM
Let's also keep in mind that it has been publicy made known that Lena Headey and Jerome Flinn can't stand each other, to the point that they don't want any scenes together, so unless they somehow reconciled or at the very least stopped to hate each other, you're not gonna see Bronn delivering Tyrion's head to Cersei.

Pretty sure HBO's stance on that would be something along the lines of "We don't care about your shit. Here's the script. Follow it or you will be sued for breach of contract". Then again, now that I'm trying to think of one, I can't think of a single scene that they were together in.

What's their deal anyway? This is the first I'm hearing of it.

I believe it is in their contracts to not be in the same scenes together.
It is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 16, 2019, 07:19:48 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 07:01:53 AM
I never noticed this, but that's kind of lame although I guess if I haven't even noticed then it's not a big deal other than kind of being a spoiler now knowing they won't be in a scene together.

Imagine if the women who plays Cersei had it in the contract that she'd only do a scene with him if it involved her killing him :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 16, 2019, 07:21:51 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on April 15, 2019, 03:56:41 PM
I enjoyed that episode more than all of season 7. Kind of had the feel of the early seasons.

And did Cersai make more zombie knights?

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d0/80/96/d08096fa63f81d539c5a17ec4237b1b8.jpg)

And Braun with the chicks and Qybern was like "that girl will die of the pox in a year" and Braun is like "which girl" :rollin

I haven't a clue, but this post just made me think of something... Isn't the mountain technically dead? Could the Night King turn him on Cersei?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 16, 2019, 07:31:19 AM: That's a good point. I could definitely see that coming into play at some point. Cersai's trump card being turned into an achilles heel, when the night king takes hold of him. Could be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on April 16, 2019, 07:39:31 AM: I'd say it's more likely that Cersei is dispatched by one of her own. My money's on Jaime.

I'm hoping they're saving the Mountain for a Clegane vs Clegane showdown. It's bound to happen, surely?? (If it doesn't, I'm throwing something at the TV.. :lol)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 07:57:09 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 16, 2019, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 07:01:53 AM
I never noticed this, but that's kind of lame although I guess if I haven't even noticed then it's not a big deal other than kind of being a spoiler now knowing they won't be in a scene together.

Imagine if the women who plays Cersei had it in the contract that she'd only do a scene with him if it involved her killing him :lol

That would be pretty epic now knowing their personal history

Quote from: Chino on April 16, 2019, 07:21:51 AM
Quote from: Phoenix87x on April 15, 2019, 03:56:41 PM
I enjoyed that episode more than all of season 7. Kind of had the feel of the early seasons.

And did Cersai make more zombie knights?

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d0/80/96/d08096fa63f81d539c5a17ec4237b1b8.jpg)

And Braun with the chicks and Qybern was like "that girl will die of the pox in a year" and Braun is like "which girl" :rollin

I haven't a clue, but this post just made me think of something... Isn't the mountain technically dead? Could the Night King turn him on Cersei?

Hmmm, I do wonder if maybe Qybern was building his own dead army. Maybe that's a reason why Cersei is a bit more comfortable than everyone else with the dead rising, she's been doing it herself for awhile. But I'm not sure the Night King could control him if he didn't turn him or turned via one of his wights. Maybe, just not sure how that works but my immediate thought is no, he wouldn't be able to control him and he doesn't have the walker blue eyes. Maybe even though he is dead, if he were touched he could still be turned into one though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on April 16, 2019, 08:04:54 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 07:57:09 AM
But I'm not sure the Night King could control him if he didn't turn him or turned via one of his wights. Maybe, just not sure how that works but my immediate thought is no, he wouldn't be able to control him and he doesn't have the walker blue eyes.

The White Walkers can turn any dead being into a wight. It's why the Night's Watch always burns the dead bodies.

I'd guess that since the mountain is now undead, he can't be turned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Bolsters on April 16, 2019, 08:11:10 AM: Benjen was undead as well, but the Night King or White Walkers couldn't control him at all. So you're probably right.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2019, 08:11:37 AM: I think it would be most fitting if a Stark killed Cersei, to finally truly avenge Ned. Arya doing it wearing someone else's face would be bad ass.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 16, 2019, 08:12:05 AM: Yeah I wondered what would become of Bronn since he didn't leave with Jaime leaving him apparently serving Cersei who he won't be sharing screentime with (that's why Bronn grabbed Podrick and said "Let's go get a drink!" at the Dragonpit before Cersei showed up). Qyburn having to deliver Cersei's wishes is a pretty amusing way of handling it if you're aware about the behind the scenes reason it wasn't going to be Cersei. If anything I'm pretty glad about that though since any excuse for Qyburn to have more presence is OK with me.

Bronn being asked to kill Tyrion and Jaime is partly just so he could remain in the story, I think it makes a good amount of sense for Cersei as well though. If Bronn's friendship with Tyrion and Jaime caused him to be loyal to them then he'd be a liability to have among the army if they return successfully. Give him gold up front and send him after them, then either 1. He remains a true sellsword and does go through with trying to kill them, and he'd be well placed to do so since he could easily get close to them, or 2. He has a change of heart and joins them or just pisses off, which he would have eventually done anyway if he remained at King's Landing, so she is at least rid of someone who would have betrayed her anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 08:17:13 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 16, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
I think it would be most fitting if a Stark killed Cersei, to finally truly avenge Ned. Arya doing it wearing someone else's face would be bad ass.

I'd say Olenna avenged Ned when she was protecting Margery and poisoned Geoffry. He's the one who flew off the handle and didn't follow the plan and send Ned to the Wall....he decided to just behead him then and there. If you watch that scene Cersi freaking flips out when he announces that and all during the moments of Ned's beheading because she knows what is going to happen with Ned being murdered.

Now...a Stark killing Cersi would still be sweet victory for the Starks and an ultimate 'end' to those two families feud...but she wasn't the 'reason' Ned was murdered...other than not being able to control her own psychotic son.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 08:18:59 AM: About Bronn... he was not tasked with outright murdering them - he was told to just make sure they wouldn't come out of it alive in case of a victory over the undead.

About who kills Cersei - in the show there is no mention of the Valonqar (little brother) prophecy. In the book she gets if full, "you'll get three children, golden their crowns, golden their shrouds, and then the little brother will choke the life out of you". This last part is not in the TV show so maybe they wanted to have some more control over that.

Arya killing her is every fanboy's fever dream, it's the only reason why I don't hope for it - too predictable. Also, I assume that the White Walkers somehow will make it to King's Landing - it's too easy and anticlimatic for the North to defeat the White Walkers, then march united on King's Landing, winning the Throne, happily ever after yadda yadda. No, the White Walkers will lay waste to Winterfell, reach South, and the few survivors of Winterfell - some protagonists will make out of it alive - will be the one facing the very ultimate standoff in episode 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 08:22:55 AM: Arya could wear Jaime's face too and do the killing. There is the prophecy and then there is also Arya's list, this may be a way to do both. But I guess Jaime needs to die, which being that he is in the North is entirely possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 08:28:36 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 08:18:59 AM
Arya killing her is every fanboy's fever dream, it's the only reason why I don't hope for it - too predictable. Also, I assume that the White Walkers somehow will make it to King's Landing - it's too easy and anticlimatic for the North to defeat the White Walkers, then march united on King's Landing, winning the Throne, happily ever after yadda yadda. No, the White Walkers will lay waste to Winterfell, reach South, and the few survivors of Winterfell - some protagonists will make out of it alive - will be the one facing the very ultimate standoff in episode 5 or 6.

Agreed. I really hope they don't have Arya kill Cersi. Sure, it'd be 'neat' and all but it's just too good to be true for a series where nothing like that has ever happened (see Oberyn defeating the Mountain but still getting his head crushed)

I think that the Battle for/of Winterfell will end with the Night King destroying/killing most of them with the survivors retreating south....either to Dragonstone or the Iron Islands.....then the Night King Army continues it's march south to Kingslanding where it all will come to a head and end there.

Who kills Cersi? It'd be almost fitting for the show if it was someone that had no 'reason' to.....just a random character like Euron.....but I think that we will see one of two characters kill her. Either Jamie, which would be fitting.....or Sansa.....also fitting. Both of which would less serve the 'fan boy' experience but serve the overall story well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 16, 2019, 08:33:18 AM: I would love for one of the dragons to burn Cersei. The northern armies are nearly decimated, there's only a few heroes left but enough to overthrow Cersei and her armies, the wildfire destroys King's Landing, and Cersei, the Mad Queen, stands defiant in a destroyed Red Keep until Daenerys says 'Dracarys.'

That's just one way I'd like to see her go, anyway. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2019, 08:37:30 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 08:17:13 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on April 16, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
I think it would be most fitting if a Stark killed Cersei, to finally truly avenge Ned. Arya doing it wearing someone else's face would be bad ass.

I'd say Olenna avenged Ned when she was protecting Margery and poisoned Geoffry. He's the one who flew off the handle and didn't follow the plan and send Ned to the Wall....he decided to just behead him then and there. If you watch that scene Cersi freaking flips out when he announces that and all during the moments of Ned's beheading because she knows what is going to happen with Ned being murdered.

Now...a Stark killing Cersi would still be sweet victory for the Starks and an ultimate 'end' to those two families feud...but she wasn't the 'reason' Ned was murdered...other than not being able to control her own psychotic son.

Hmmm, I will have to re-watch that scene, but I trust that you are correct, so there goes my theory. :lol

That said, Olenna wasn't so much avenging Ned as she was protecting her granddaughter from marrying that little pissant.

Speaking of Olenna, she was awesome, and went out like a boss. Drank the poison, and then basically said, "I killed Joffrey, tell Cersei, see ya." :coolio :hat
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 08:41:30 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 08:28:36 AM
I think that the Battle for/of Winterfell will end with the Night King destroying/killing most of them with the survivors retreating south....either to Dragonstone or the Iron Islands.....then the Night King Army continues it's march south to Kingslanding where it all will come to a head and end there.

Yea, they hinted at the Iron Islands being a safe spot to fall back on, that might be legit once Winterfell falls.

Also, just want to say that this thread just makes me realize how much I really love this show, the discussion and theories make it so fun to discuss. Good stuff the last two days now with the revival of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 16, 2019, 08:45:04 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 08:28:36 AM
I think that the Battle for/of Winterfell will end with the Night King destroying/killing most of them with the survivors retreating south....either to Dragonstone or the Iron Islands.....then the Night King Army continues it's march south to Kingslanding where it all will come to a head and end there.

Yea, they hinted at the Iron Islands being a safe spot to fall back on, that might be legit once Winterfell falls.

Also, just want to say that this thread just makes me realize how much I really love this show, the discussion and theories make it so fun to discuss. Good stuff the last two days now with the revival of the show.

To add to this, it just dawned on me how sad I will be when it ends. Game of Thrones has been both a cultural phenomenon and an all-time great show for eight years now. It has been around for the entirety of my adult life. When it's gone, I will feel like I have a hole to fill or something. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 08:47:10 AM: I felt the same way when Lost ended, I think before GOT, it was not only my favorite TV series but also was the best to talk about. I don't recall being that active on these boards then to discuss it here, but there was a Lost forum that was buzzing during that show with theory talk and whatnot that added a whole new dimension to enjoying TV. I was so sad when it ended, and other shows fill the void somewhat, but it wasn't until GOT that I got so sucked in again like this. It's definitely become my favorite show all time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 08:52:49 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on April 16, 2019, 08:45:04 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 08:28:36 AM
I think that the Battle for/of Winterfell will end with the Night King destroying/killing most of them with the survivors retreating south....either to Dragonstone or the Iron Islands.....then the Night King Army continues it's march south to Kingslanding where it all will come to a head and end there.

Yea, they hinted at the Iron Islands being a safe spot to fall back on, that might be legit once Winterfell falls.

Also, just want to say that this thread just makes me realize how much I really love this show, the discussion and theories make it so fun to discuss. Good stuff the last two days now with the revival of the show.

To add to this, it just dawned on me how sad I will be when it ends. Game of Thrones has been both a cultural phenomenon and an all-time great show for eight years now. It has been around for the entirety of my adult life. When it's gone, I will feel like I have a hole to fill or something. :lol

I know it won't completely fill the void or replace GOT.....but the prequel/spin off series they're planning won't be too far behind the end of this show. But I agree....this show has been a fun ride.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2019, 08:55:42 AM: I didn't think about it till just now, but with Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and The Sopranos, I got into each show and binge-watched them to catch up right before the last season...in all three cases. Weird.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 16, 2019, 08:56:35 AM: Arya has her list and has killed some people but she hasn't personally killed every person she listed that's dead, so I don't think her having someone on her list gives that much narrative pressure that she must be the one to kill someone. The main people Arya has killed as part of her own personal quest for vengeance have been individuals immediately responsible for some of the horrors she's seen. There was Polliver who stole Needle and killed a Lommy, Meryn Trant who defeated Syrio Forel. These were people whose actions against her were up close and personal, and her revenge was the same. She never directly met Walder Frey before, but she did personally see the Freys killing Grey Wind and parading Robb Stark's body around. Walder Frey was similarly confronted with the death of his own kin in a horrific manner, and a bunch of other Freys died when they were betrayed at a feast at the Twins.

These kills basically mirrored or directly referenced the deed that got the people on her list in the first place. Arya also killed Littlefinger, but that was more about Sansa and not really part of Arya's personal vendetta (at least she herself saw it that way: "You did it. I'm just the executioner"). But between Arya and Cersei, there hasn't actually been that much personal history. So Arya could be the one to kill Cersei but I personally don't think that she has a particularly special place in the story to do so. If it turns out that it is the culmination of her "list" though, I wonder what would be the main thing that she was taking revenge for. She could blame her for Ned Stark's death but Cersei wasn't really directly responsible for it in the same way the people above were responsible for their crimes. In fact the main personal matter that made Arya hate Cersei was when she demanded they kill the direwolf in the second episode of the show, leading to Lady's death (Arya already drove Nymeria away to avoid that fate). So maybe that would be the reference? Cersei torn apart by Nymeria and her pack of wolves, the direwolf taking vengeace for the direwolf house? That would be a satisfying end for Arya's story, but I don't know if it's that interesting for Cersei's story when she has so much more history with so many other characters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Mladen on April 16, 2019, 09:02:53 AM: It's time for a new fan to chime in. I started watching the show around October and went through all seven seasons over the following months. I've made it just in time to start following the last season, which feels great, since I really got hooked on the show. I truly liked the premiere and was especially blown away by Jamie and Bran reuniting.

As far as predictions and wishes go, the only thing I know is that I'd find it underwhelming if there were some avenging going on. This show is all about not giving the people what they want to see, which makes it interesting and sort of artistic. It's not that I'm rooting for my favorite characters to be killed, but that would be more dramatic and powerful than Arya eliminating Cersei for example.

Also, the thing with Jerome and Lena not getting along must be a pain in the ass for the writers. They actually have to work around their feud and adjust their storylines just because two actors can't stand each other. I find it extremely odd.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 09:14:47 AM: What I look forward the most, is a full and proper explanation of the lore regarding the White Walkers. I'd be bummed if it all came down to "Well, they're evil ice zombie, Jon Snow uses a valaryan steel sword to kill the Night King in single combat, every wight drops dead because of the hive structure, hurray, the end".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 09:22:41 AM: I wouldn't be surprised if Arya did kill the Hound though. She told him she was going to shove a knife through his eye for killing that kid she was sparring with....and she's always maintained she would.....and she's in proximity to him now. I don't think that'd be 'fan fiction' if she were to do that....it'd fit the story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 16, 2019, 09:43:30 AM: Quote from: Mladen on April 16, 2019, 09:02:53 AM
It's time for a new fan to chime in. I started watching the show around October and went through all seven seasons over the following months. I've made it just in time to start following the last season, which feels great, since I really got hooked on the show. I truly liked the premiere and was especially blown away by Jamie and Bran reuniting.

As far as predictions and wishes go, the only thing I know is that I'd find it underwhelming if there were some avenging going on. This show is all about not giving the people what they want to see, which makes it interesting and sort of artistic. It's not that I'm rooting for my favorite characters to be killed, but that would be more dramatic and powerful than Arya eliminating Cersei for example.

Also, the thing with Jerome and Lena not getting along must be a pain in the ass for the writers. They actually have to work around their feud and adjust their storylines just because two actors can't stand each other. I find it extremely odd.
Sounds cool, actually somewhat jealous since I much prefer to be able to watch series or at least whole seasons as a whole. Though there's something to be said for following a show week by week and year by year as well.

Of course speculation and predictions are enjoyable, but it can also make it hard to live up to. Things like the revelation about Jon Snow's parentage, or certain big events that feel like they logically have to happen... when you have so much time to speculate or to wonder about the significance of them, I think there's almost always going to be a feeling of "Is that it?" when they finally happen. That's true for some of the big moments in the most recent episode, especially since so many of them were things that were already known so it's just about "how it happens" - character reunions, characters finding out about things, etc. People have been waiting for Jon and Arya's reunion for years, and I think it was a well done emotional moment... but yeah, if you know it's so significant for the characters, can it really live up to the hype? Same with Jon Snow finding out about his parents. Actually I think this was an interesting moment, but it was more interesting for me because of the elements that I didn't see coming (Sam questioning Jon about whether he would be a good ruler or whether Daenerys was, given the new information). But just Jon Snow actually finding out the information? Yeah, you could probably guess roughly how that's going to go. Because it makes sense.

For me I'm trying to avoid letting my expectations or speculation affect my watching too much, especially since this is the final season and probably every possibility has been theorised or discussed at some point. I don't want to be watching something happen and then feel either 1. Pissed that it's different from what I predicted, so it sucks, 2. Pissed that it's exactly like I predicted, so it sucks, or 3. Pissed that it's exactly the right balance between what I expected without being predictable but the world doesn't stop spinning because it has happened, so it sucks. Especially since I find most episodes are better when you can watch them in the full context of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on April 16, 2019, 09:45:46 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 08:47:10 AM
I felt the same way when Lost ended, I think before GOT, it was not only my favorite TV series but also was the best to talk about. I don't recall being that active on these boards then to discuss it here, but there was a Lost forum that was buzzing during that show with theory talk and whatnot that added a whole new dimension to enjoying TV. I was so sad when it ended, and other shows fill the void somewhat, but it wasn't until GOT that I got so sucked in again like this. It's definitely become my favorite show all time.

Lost and GoT are easily my top 2 favorite shows. I currently give the edge to Lost because it was an original idea (not based on source material). Now GoT may surpass depending on how the last 5 episodes go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 10:04:01 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 09:14:47 AM
What I look forward the most, is a full and proper explanation of the lore regarding the White Walkers. I'd be bummed if it all came down to "Well, they're evil ice zombie, Jon Snow uses a valaryan steel sword to kill the Night King in single combat, every wight drops dead because of the hive structure, hurray, the end".

Yea definitely want to know more about them. The whole ice/fire thing, lord of light and night king needs to be explained. I hope the answers are in the crypts. I don't want it to be "they are zombies, they are bad" because thats cheating us since this seems to be the real issue all along that's just been lingering in the background. It's in the foreground now and explanations are necessary for certain things like what the Night King's motivations are.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on April 16, 2019, 10:35:32 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on April 16, 2019, 09:45:46 AM
Lost and GoT are easily my top 2 favorite shows. I currently give the edge to Lost because it was an original idea (not based on source material). Now GoT may surpass depending on how the last 5 episodes go.

I also loved LOST, although it stumbled a bit towards the end. GoT is definitely up there. I just wonder if he will ever finish off the books. I finished the books before watching the show. I’d say he probably won’t now..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2019, 10:49:53 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 16, 2019, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 16, 2019, 09:14:47 AM
What I look forward the most, is a full and proper explanation of the lore regarding the White Walkers. I'd be bummed if it all came down to "Well, they're evil ice zombie, Jon Snow uses a valaryan steel sword to kill the Night King in single combat, every wight drops dead because of the hive structure, hurray, the end".

Yea definitely want to know more about them. The whole ice/fire thing, lord of light and night king needs to be explained. I hope the answers are in the crypts. I don't want it to be "they are zombies, they are bad" because thats cheating us since this seems to be the real issue all along that's just been lingering in the background. It's in the foreground now and explanations are necessary for certain things like what the Night King's motivations are.

I'd be surprised if we were given a concrete explanation as to the 'whys' and 'hows' concerning the Night King, White Walkers and Wights. There may be some explanation but I don't think we're getting a book that Sam found read to us with bullet points and detail. It'd be neat....but it's not necessary for the story or lore of the show IMO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 16, 2019, 10:53:22 AM: I hope once Melisandre comes back we learn a bit more about the Walkers, or at least see some epic stuff with her. Maybe she's bringing witches back from Volantis?

Did all the Children of the Forest die in that encounter with the Night King back in season 6?
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Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2019, 11:02:07 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on April 16, 2019, 09:45:46 AM

Lost and GoT are easily my top 2 favorite shows. I currently give the edge to Lost because it was an original idea (not based on source material). Now GoT may surpass depending on how the last 5 episodes go.

I tried Lost, but lost interest in Seasons 1 (no pun intended), and then I had many saying it didn't end up well, so I figured I'd never try again.

There is no way I can put Game of Thrones in the same stratosphere as The Sopranos and Breaking Bad, but I'd probably put it in my 2nd tier of dramas along with Six Feet Under and Dexter.
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Post by: Grappler on April 16, 2019, 11:26:25 AM: http://www.metalsucks.net/2019/04/16/fender-unveil-game-of-thrones-guitar-models/

Custom Fender GOT Guitars and a video of Scott Ian, Nuno Bettencourt, Tom Morello and DB Weiss playing the GOT theme on them.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2019, 06:06:11 PM: Nicolas Cage as various GoT characters:

https://www.boredpanda.com/nicolas-cage-of-thrones-game/?utm_source=forums.footballguys&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=organic
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Post by: ariich on April 17, 2019, 01:21:27 PM: Quote from: Mladen on April 16, 2019, 09:02:53 AM
As far as predictions and wishes go, the only thing I know is that I'd find it underwhelming if there were some avenging going on. This show is all about not giving the people what they want to see, which makes it interesting and sort of artistic.
Not sure I agree with this. A key theme of the books especially but also the show to a great extent is that people's actions have consequences. Vengeance is absolutely part of that theme and I very much expect there to be at least some in this final season.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 19, 2019, 05:26:46 AM: Oh damn, I've stumbled upon this theory on Reddit, about the battle plans of the Night King, and now I'm almost annoyed I read it because:

- While it's all conjecture so it's not something spoiled from what could be deduced from the premiere, it's totally plausible, unexpected but plausible;
- It's so badass that, if it won't go down like this (or at least if we don't get something even better), I'll be pissed:

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bdwuse/spoilers_extended_my_night_king_is_not_stupid/

I don't want to sound too much like a tease... I mean, it's up to you, if you're the kind of person that loves reading theories and conjectures, just go for it, it makes sense, otherwise just don't bother. I assume out there in the vastness of the webs someone, somewhere, MUST have gotten it somehow right. The details might change, but there's only so many possible macro-outcomes in the end (Winterfell battle being either won or lost; Westeros being either ran over by White Walkers or not; Main heroes dying, winning completely, or winning in a way that doesn't leave too much satisfaction, the "bittersweet ending" hinted by George RR Martin).
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Post by: The Walrus on April 19, 2019, 07:24:32 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 19, 2019, 05:26:46 AM
Oh damn, I've stumbled upon this theory on Reddit, about the battle plans of the Night King, and now I'm almost annoyed I read it because:

- While it's all conjecture so it's not something spoiled from what could be deduced from the premiere, it's totally plausible, unexpected but plausible;
- It's so badass that, if it won't go down like this (or at least if we don't get something even better), I'll be pissed:

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bdwuse/spoilers_extended_my_night_king_is_not_stupid/

I don't want to sound too much like a tease... I mean, it's up to you, if you're the kind of person that loves reading theories and conjectures, just go for it, it makes sense, otherwise just don't bother. I assume out there in the vastness of the webs someone, somewhere, MUST have gotten it somehow right. The details might change, but there's only so many possible macro-outcomes in the end (Winterfell battle being either won or lost; Westeros being either ran over by White Walkers or not; Main heroes dying, winning completely, or winning in a way that doesn't leave too much satisfaction, the "bittersweet ending" hinted by George RR Martin).

Brilliant stuff, and I almost hope it happens - surprising that in the last 2 years I never once thought of him doing that. On the other hand, I read a theory that says *SPOILERS IN TINY FONT* the Night King might be heading to Winterfell because he's going to burn the network of Weirwood trees, which is what he was tied to when he was made into the Night King, and the symbol he makes is the symbol that was around the tree he was tied to.

But I think the theory you linked is much more badass and I can already hear the ominous tones of the brass section rising when our heroes see that thing rise and move south.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 19, 2019, 07:36:03 AM: I think the conflict will come to King's Landing (or at least further south than Winterfell), and I also think that the Night King won't be too reckless with the dragon, especially when they can throw thousands of expendable wights into battle first instead. But I don't think the White Walkers will take or destroy King's Landing off screen first before the fight at Winterfell is resolved.

Either way I try not to get too attached to any speculation, since reading a theory or prediction that sounds plausible and good then finding it out it doesn't happen can spoil things because it doesn't match your hopes. I've probably allowed that to happen a couple of times watching this series over the years. Also I think for example something like Arya's season 6 story, it's one of the weaker bits of the show but I think one of the reasons lots of fans were so riled by it was partly because of all the speculation and convoluted theories that just never happen, which made people more upset than if they'd just taken the story at face value. On my full rewatch before Season 8, those parts just zipped along and felt like a mediocre but sensible enough storyline (with a few flaws posted about earlier), and it seemed crazy to think that so many people were so convinced there was some identity swapping or even more complicated plans, without that full week between S6 E7 and E8 to think about things and read people's fevered speculation and analysis of screenshots online.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 19, 2019, 09:46:47 AM: One thing that pissed me off on the new episode was that lord Glover withdrawing his support to Jon Snow's war effort. It's pretty stupid to think he -Glover- doesn't understand the scope or the magnitude of what's happening, I mean even if you don't believe Jon Snow's stories about the white walkers, everybody knows that the thousand year old structure on the edge of the world has been destroyed and whoever destroyed it, be it white walkers or the Backstreet Boys, are marching south with a huge army. And you're gonna wait it out in your castle cause you think Jon Snow is a wimp for bending the knee to the Targaryan queen, good plan boss.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 19, 2019, 09:57:27 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 19, 2019, 09:46:47 AM
be it white walkers or the Backstreet Boys

(https://i.postimg.cc/3x7R8BPZ/Untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 19, 2019, 10:36:10 AM: :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 19, 2019, 11:27:02 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 19, 2019, 09:46:47 AM
One thing that pissed me off on the new episode was that lord Glover withdrawing his support to Jon Snow's war effort. It's pretty stupid to think he -Glover- doesn't understand the scope or the magnitude of what's happening, I mean even if you don't believe Jon Snow's stories about the white walkers, everybody knows that the thousand year old structure on the edge of the world has been destroyed and whoever destroyed it, be it white walkers or the Backstreet Boys, are marching south with a huge army. And you're gonna wait it out in your castle cause you think Jon Snow is a wimp for bending the knee to the Targaryan queen, good plan boss.

I'm not gonna defend what probably won't enter any "100 greatest plot points" list, but history has taught us that people have definitively the ability to fail to see the bigger picture and care only about their interests.

What would happen if forest zombies would stir in Amazonia, or desert zombie would stir in Sahara, and to prevent for more zombies to be created would mean allow a shitload of mexicans into the USA, or a shitload of North African people into Europe? In the show Jon Snow got killed for it, in our world I don't think it would go any better and if the US president (not the current one surely :lol ) would say that millions of mexicans should be allowed into the US least they all become zombies, you can be sure someone would try to bomb the White House the next day.

To be more realistic, there could be shown on TV the most gigantic iceberg ever getting detached from the North Pole, and still not all people would get that it means that many coastal towns will be flooded by the rising seas. Again - I agree with you that at least people in the North should, by now get it. But I can roll with the "no, they still don't get it".

The weirdness probably comes from a very underwhelming scene with Bran, when he tells the MOST DEVASTING NEWS EVER IN THE LAST 8000 YEARS OF WESTEROS, namely "The Wall has fallen thanks to a goddamn undead ice dragon", and people are "whopsies". No reaction from Dany who is an unwilling and direct responsable for this, no "OMFG" from Jon, everyone just rolls with it like a mild inconvenience and then next scene they're riding dragons and flirting or whatever.

I mean, when a weird Bran tells you that you either don't believe him, or ask him how he knows, and then he tells you that when you were 10 you pissed in your sister's bed out of spite and realize "oh shit, he really sees all", and then you should go in ULTRA PANICK MODE. Weird that it hasn't happened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2019, 11:44:59 AM: ^ makes me think of people who don't leave their houses when there's a hurricane evacuation and then get stranded.

However, the show has gone really far out of their way by doing the whole excursion to get a white to prove to cersei, I feel like that should mean any northern lord should be understanding at this point IMO. They made it clear last season just how important this is and to now all of the sudden have a northern lord defy Jon is a bit ridiculous. Like they don't see the dragons and how important it is to be aligned with Dany right now is absurd given how the show itself portrayed how dire their situation is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 19, 2019, 11:59:58 AM: Dany's attitude didn't help either. When she did the equivalent of bombing with napalm the Lannister army, still she said to the survivors "I have not come here to put you in chains, I'm not like Cersei". She goes up North after being told over and over how northerners are stubborn and she acts smug like she's already the Queen and everyone has to obey? damn, just make a joint speech with Jon Snow - he figured out all by himself that she could have stormed King's Landings with dragons and burn it down but she didn't, just tell the same to the northeners, come on! "I could have taken my army to King's Landing. We would be sitting on the burnt ruins of the Red Keep by now. But I came here. Because I am a liberator and not a conqueror. Because I want you all to live, and to do that, we must defeat the Night King".

She got tired of getting people believe in her - everyone in their army follows her not because she's a Targaryen, but because they WANT to follow her. Then she goes in one of the actual seven kingdoms she wants to rule, and she tosses that out of the window for "I'm the queen and that bitch Sansa better stop talk that way to me". D'uh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 19, 2019, 12:09:26 PM: Pride is a bitch, and the houses of the north are a rather proud bunch. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 19, 2019, 12:15:37 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 19, 2019, 11:27:02 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on April 19, 2019, 09:46:47 AM
One thing that pissed me off on the new episode was that lord Glover withdrawing his support to Jon Snow's war effort. It's pretty stupid to think he -Glover- doesn't understand the scope or the magnitude of what's happening, I mean even if you don't believe Jon Snow's stories about the white walkers, everybody knows that the thousand year old structure on the edge of the world has been destroyed and whoever destroyed it, be it white walkers or the Backstreet Boys, are marching south with a huge army. And you're gonna wait it out in your castle cause you think Jon Snow is a wimp for bending the knee to the Targaryan queen, good plan boss.

I'm not gonna defend what probably won't enter any "100 greatest plot points" list, but history has taught us that people have definitively the ability to fail to see the bigger picture and care only about their interests.
This rather under-sells the point - it's one of the major themes of the show. Caring about their own political interests and missing the bigger issues is what almost all the characters have been doing since season 1 and it's basically the main story of the books/shows.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 19, 2019, 05:48:50 PM: It's not like they got the information on the wall from CNN, or on a website. They didn't believe the word of mouth. Then add what Rich said.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 19, 2019, 08:37:43 PM: I'm on board with ariich post, I wasn't panning it as a weak plot point, but as a dumb decision from captain Darling.

Quote from: kingshmegland on April 19, 2019, 05:48:50 PM
It's not like they got the information on the wall from CNN, or on a website. They didn't believe the word of mouth. Then add what Rich said.

I buy the stubbornness and arrogance but I don't buy that they don't believe it's happening, the wall is presumably the biggest structure in this world? a lot of people must have seen the giant gap in it. Also ravens have been sent as we know news got to King's Landing. You gotta do some serious looking-the-other-way to not know, well, I guess if the white walkers can be interpreted as a metaphor for global warming; maybe it is possible that some are not believing.

The episode is on again now and the scene in the meeting room where Jon Snow justifies why he bent the knee, defend the north or keep my crown, the bigger picture and all that, the northerners still show dismay and it got me laughing at the contrast with the Ironborn who are ridiculously easy to sway loyalties instantly. Yara is queen! YEAH! no, Yuron is here so he's king! YEAH! Yara was captured so let's go off on our own, YEAH! Theon beats our most vocal guy up so we're gonna go back and free Yara cause she's our queen YEAH! :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 21, 2019, 10:48:30 AM: One of my friends finally started watching the show after I let him borrow season 1 on Blu-ray, and when I went over to his place last night I showed up right at the moment Jaime pushed Bran out of the tower. Funny to think that it would take 8 seasons + 1 episode after the first episode to wrap up that plot thread, but here we are. I can't wait to see how this goes down tonight.
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Post by: faizoff on April 21, 2019, 08:01:49 PM: The episode showed up 4 mins early for me on HBO Now lol. Another brilliant episode, I cannot friggin wait for episode 3. With Sapochnik back as the director, I cannot imagine how the battle is going to look like. I thought there would be at least a skirmish in this episode with the way things were going but couldn't be more happier.

Loved all the dialogue and can't believe it felt shorter for me than last episode when this episode was actually longer.
Also, does the episode appear without any title for anyone else? I have HBO Now and when the new episode pops up it just shows as episode number 69 or 68 as it did last week. The name only appears like a day or two later.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 21, 2019, 08:08:36 PM: Yeah, they're really keeping the titles and synopses under wraps.

That was another killer episode with lots of moments that had me yelling, "YES!" Like Brienne getting knighted, Arya getting laid, Tormund getting drunk... basically the whole episode was awesome. But I still have one question... Where is Melisandre? I feel like she's going to come back too late at this point - or she's only going to show up at King's Landing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 21, 2019, 08:11:23 PM: I feel the opposite. I can't believe with just 6 episodes this season, we got one that was basically filler from beginning to end. I felt like much of the dialog was completely unnecessary and/or forced.

Also, everyone in the crypts is fucked. I'm standing by my prediction from seasons ago that dead Starks are going to rise as the army approaches. They'll close the doors and trap everyone in there for the greater good.

Prediction: Using Bran as bait isn't going to play out. The night King probably isn't there. I wouldn't be surprised if the approaching army unexpectedly stops as he flies south to convert everyone in King's Landing into a 1M strong army of the dead. That should be easy with the dragon. He'll then go North and hit Winterfell from both sides.
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Post by: faizoff on April 21, 2019, 08:11:23 PM: Also... GHOST!!
Tormund has overtaken the Hound as my favorite side character after that episode, his deadpan delivery is amazing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on April 21, 2019, 08:24:53 PM: Quote from: Chino on April 21, 2019, 08:11:23 PM
I feel the opposite. I can't believe with just 6 episodes this season, we got one that was basically filler from beginning to end. I felt like much of the dialog was completely unnecessary and/or forced.

People complain when the pacing of the show is too fast.....and people then complain when the show takes a moment to slow down? This episode had ZERO filler, and the equivalent of episodes in the earlier seasons when the characters were traveling around on horseback for an entire episode, leaving them nothing to do but have great dialogues together. I have loved watching these characters come together and interact with each other for the first time, or the first time in a season or two.

My only thought is that the battle could span more than one episode. I do like that Bran gave everyone the Night King's reason for war....to erase mankind's memories, and therefore mankind itself.

I was talking to a coworker the other day, and she and her group in the office spend so much time nitpicking this show to death. I told her that I'm done reading theories, done being overly critical and done with any sort of spoilers. I just want to be taken on a journey for the next few weeks and enjoy the last few episodes of one of my favorite shows of all time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 21, 2019, 08:34:07 PM: Quote from: Grappler on April 21, 2019, 08:24:53 PM
I'm done reading theories, done being overly critical and done with any sort of spoilers. I just want to be taken on a journey for the next few weeks and enjoy the last few episodes of one of my favorite shows of all time.
I've been this way the past 3 seasons. I don't read any theory or even think of what is going to happen, any co-worker that talks about what they think will happen, I change the topic. I don't want to know/speculate anything. And with just 4 episodes left. I have zero thoughts on what I think will happen, I just want to see it.
And I want to add I don't have any issue with anyone trying to theorize or speculate, I just don't want to partake.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2019, 08:35:11 PM: I think some are just getting impatient waiting for the battle. I thought tonight's episode was really good. It is clear that many we saw tonight will not survive next week's battle, so tonight was like a goodbye to many of them. We just don't know which ones yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 21, 2019, 08:49:47 PM: I enjoyed the episode. I like these characters. That said, my next opinion will definitely not be shared by most, and that is totally cool.

To me, personally, it feels like this season is going pretty far into fan service. Jon and Dany riding dragons together. Everyone reuniting in one episode. Brienne gets knighted.....by Jamie....Arya gets together (or at least bones) Gendry. Little lady Mormont telling off Sir Friendzone. Jamie completely redeeming himself. Theon being redeemed. Etc.

Like I said, still enjoyed it. Still excited for the rest of the season. But it feels less like a story told by a guy with a strong vision, and more like a committee doing what they think will get them the highest ratings and giving the people what they want. It's clearly working, so good for them. It's just quite different than what made me fall in love with this show in the first few seasons.

Here's looking forward to lots of battles and cool awesome dragons and explosions and stuff.
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Post by: Adami on April 21, 2019, 08:50:45 PM: Dammit. Meant to modify. Not quote.
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Post by: faizoff on April 21, 2019, 09:18:17 PM: Somone in Wiki named tonight's episode as 'The Rightful Queen' when I last checked. I see HBO has named the episode as 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms'.

To Adami's point, I honestly don't mind the fan service, I fully acknowledge it yet am fully entertained by it. I personally, like many others, speculate that the next episode is going to be a bloodbath.Throughout the episode I kept having an impending doom feeling and when the episode ended, I thought it will all happen in the next episode.
At least I have Endgame and meeting & seeing DT next week to distract me until the next episode airs.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 21, 2019, 10:01:53 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 21, 2019, 08:35:11 PM
I think some are just getting impatient waiting for the battle. I thought tonight's episode was really good. It is clear that many we saw tonight will not survive next week's battle, so tonight was like a goodbye to many of them. We just don't know which ones yet.

This was my group of friends after tonight’s episode. They just want the battles and blood. I think these two opening episodes were done really well....and once next week hits it’ll be a race to the finish.

A couple things:

- Too much was made about the crypts being ‘safe’ in tonights’ episode. This is really pointing to dead Starks rising and laying waste to those who are locked in there. And, with the small snippet of next weeks episode of Dany telling Jon the dead are already in Winterfell....before the battle had seemingly started.....
- They’re certainly adding fuel to the fire that Arya and Gendry may end up ruling the seven Kingdoms...or at least Lording over Winterfell.
- I will bet even money right now Jon is forced to kill Dany....because she looked ticked that he was basically in her way of the throne....especially after her speech to Sansa about that being all that mattered to her. She’s going to try and take him out or something.....
- and on that note the moment she learns that he’s a Targaryn it’s not “ewwww gross...I shagged my nephew...” it’s, your saying your the heir :lol

I don’t know. I guess I can see the point of these two episodes being ‘filler’ to an extent but in my eyes everything that’s happened has been absolutely necessary. I think that the fan service is a bit over the top but I think they’re also giving that to us because 90% of those people are going to die in the battle at Winterfell....this show has zero ‘happiness’ to it.
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Post by: lonestar on April 21, 2019, 10:06:15 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 21, 2019, 08:49:47 PM
Little lady Mormont telling off Sir Friendzone.

:rollin

I'm enjoying the dramatic setup of this season so far, and we absolutely know the shit will hit the fan next week. All the boxes have been checked off, there's no more pieces to put in place for the battle to happen. I think a full episode reminding us of why we adore these characters is a good move, especially since many of them won't be around after the next one I'd gather.

Between Avenger's Endgame and E3 of this, this upcoming week might be my most anticipated nerd week ever.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 21, 2019, 10:52:58 PM: "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" is the name of the compilation of "Dunk & Egg" novellas, about the adventures of Ser Duncan the Tall (who eventually will become Lord Commander of the Kingsguard) and Aegon "Egg" Targaryen (eventually king Aegon V, this is Maester Aemon's brother "Egg" that he was talking about before he dies).

Ser Duncan came from low beginnings so was kind of looked down on by higher born knights but came to be renowned in Westeros history as embodying honourable knightly virtues. Also, it's buried in the family trees (and confirmed by GRRM I think) that Brienne of Tarth is descended from Duncan the Tall. So when she was called a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms by Jaime it was a nice touch, immediately made me think of that book and the connection, thought others who might not be aware of that might find it interesting. The episode names being kept secret until after it airs makes it confusing so maybe it's just a guess but I read some saying the episode was listed as being called Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.

Enjoyed this episode, in fact it followed up a lot of things I was interested in from the first episode well and had less things that were a bit more questionable for me. Of course, it is serving a specific role - following up episode one and then a huge prelude to the battle in the next episode. That means it has more tension and buildup, less resolution, more quiet scenes and less action, so it's definitely a less well rounded episode than some. But I think it's very much one that serves its purpose better as a part of the whole story.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 21, 2019, 11:26:17 PM: Respectfully, I don't understand the criticisms about the slowness of these episodes. There are some heavy reunions happening and honestly they could even take their time just a bit longer with some of them, I think. I love it, and it adds stakes to the battle that's coming next episode. There are a lot of characters here, lots of them who have been around for the whole run, and I'm pretty nervous about who's coming out alive. I love the calm before the storm.
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Post by: Podaar on April 22, 2019, 05:22:29 AM: I really enjoyed watching this weeks episode. More so than last weeks.

Still, Adami and Gary bring up a good point...this is not the GoT we fell in love with. Without Littlefinger or Cersei (or some other pot stirrer) immediately at hand it is a little bit tame, isn't it. Jamie being all accepting of the consequences of his actions is just so...not Lannister. Where is the scheming, backbiting and treachery? Not a Bolton or Frey left to despise. Not even a rebellious Glover, Umber or Karstark to be irritating. By the Seven, they're even sitting around the fire singing Jenny of Oldstones! Now that's fan service for you.

You'd think we could at least get Vary's to do something despicable.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 22, 2019, 06:04:41 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 21, 2019, 11:26:17 PM
Respectfully, I don't understand the criticisms about the slowness of these episodes. There are some heavy reunions happening and honestly they could even take their time just a bit longer with some of them, I think. I love it, and it adds stakes to the battle that's coming next episode. There are a lot of characters here, lots of them who have been around for the whole run, and I'm pretty nervous about who's coming out alive. I love the calm before the storm.

I agree 100%, especially considering the storm is probably going to be four episodes long. :lol I personally thought last night's episode was great.
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Post by: Chino on April 22, 2019, 06:10:29 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 21, 2019, 08:35:11 PM
I think some are just getting impatient waiting for the battle. I thought tonight's episode was really good. It is clear that many we saw tonight will not survive next week's battle, so tonight was like a goodbye to many of them. We just don't know which ones yet.

I think this was one of my gripes with the episode. Not the being impatient part, but the way they are handling the onslaught of death we're about to witness. One of the things that made GOT so good early on was that no one was safe, and a character you loved could go from perfectly fine to dead in all of about 15 seconds. One of the draws to this show was the shock and sudden ends. We got a potential farewell and goodbye for just about every character, and it just felt very un-GOT.

- If Arya dies, at least she got laid for the first time.
- If Grey Worm dies, he got to say goodbye to the woman he loved
- If Jaime dies, at least he did something noble before going out
- If Sam dies, at least his family's sword is safe
- If Tormund dies, at least he got a few more jokes and a quick background in

It all just felt a little cliche for me, a little cheesy even. It's almost like the writers are trying to make the upcoming deaths more tolerable, or easier to swallow, which is the complete opposite of why this show has gotten as huge as it has.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 06:19:14 AM: Quote from: Podaar on April 22, 2019, 05:22:29 AM
I really enjoyed watching this weeks episode. More so than last weeks.

Still, Adami and Gary bring up a good point...this is not the GoT we fell in love with. Without Littlefinger or Cersei (or some other pot stirrer) immediately at hand it is a little bit tame, isn't it. Jamie being all accepting of the consequences of his actions is just so...not Lannister. Where is the scheming, backbiting and treachery? Not a Bolton or Frey left to despise. Not even a rebellious Glover, Umber or Karstark to be irritating. By the Seven, they're even sitting around the fire singing Jenny of Oldstones! Now that's fan service for you.

You'd think we could at least get Vary's to do something despicable.

The whole point is that Jaime is a different man. The whole point is that the only people left scheming are Cersei and Qyburn. There is not much scheming to do when death comes knocking.
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Post by: lordxizor on April 22, 2019, 06:20:56 AM: I really am struggling to see how they're going to defeat the Night King and Cersei in just 4 episodes, which makes me think there will be some sort of big shocking twist to speed things along, or that the Night King falls in the next episode and the last 3 are them dealing with Cersei.

The other thing I think is a little dumb is why they put all the women in the crypts. They are hugely overwhelmed by the coming force who is intent on destroying every last living thing in Winterfell. No one thinks they stand much of a chance of winning. Arm those women and get them out there to fight like everyone else. They're not going to do a ton of good, but it would give them a slightly better chance of prevailing than hiding them away waiting to die.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2019, 06:25:07 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 21, 2019, 08:11:23 PM
I feel the opposite. I can't believe with just 6 episodes this season, we got one that was basically filler from beginning to end. I felt like much of the dialog was completely unnecessary and/or forced.

Yup. Worst episode in a long time. And it sucks because there were lots of reunites and moments with the characters together, but it felt all like fan fiction.

Quote from: Adami on April 21, 2019, 08:49:47 PM
To me, personally, it feels like this season is going pretty far into fan service. Jon and Dany riding dragons together. Everyone reuniting in one episode. Brienne gets knighted.....by Jamie....Arya gets together (or at least bones) Gendry. Little lady Mormont telling off Sir Friendzone. Jamie completely redeeming himself. Theon being redeemed. Etc.

Bingo. Everything was just so over the top and so unlike GOT. Seems like they took one episode to wrap up everything up.

It felt like a recap episode, pull up a chair and lets talk about our stories of the past.

Sure it was really cool and the beginning council with Jaime, the knighting by Jaime, and the end in the crypts before the horns were great parts, but that middle just felt like it was all forced. Maybe that's why so many here like it, becuase it was what everyone wanted. I feel like all my friends and my gf who watched with me all felt the same as I do, it was a bit of a drag.

Having said that, it also reminded me a lot of the first half of the Battle of Blackwater episode, where everyone is kind of moping around the castle waiting for the battle, which lead you to really just get anxious and I definitely was feeling that way watching last night. I'm just worried now that everyone who got redeemed is now going to die since it seems their story is over.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 06:33:05 AM: Quote from: lordxizor on April 22, 2019, 06:20:56 AM
I really am struggling to see how they're going to defeat the Night King and Cersei in just 4 episodes, which makes me think there will be some sort of big shocking twist to speed things along, or that the Night King falls in the next episode and the last 3 are them dealing with Cersei.

I don’t think defeating Cersei is going to be difficult, even with her having the Golden Company. Even with one Dragon Dany (or Jon) can lay waste to large chunks of their forces....and....I’m not so sure we’ve seen the last of Dario and the Second Sons. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dany has already sent a raven requesting them get to Kingslanding OR if he hadn’t heard that the Golden Company was hired by Cersei and decided to come on his own.

Then you have the potential of Cersei being assassinated by one of a couple characters....that would essentially end the war.

I think ‘the’ battle of this show and this season is happening next week.
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Post by: lordxizor on April 22, 2019, 06:36:56 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 06:33:05 AM
Quote from: lordxizor on April 22, 2019, 06:20:56 AM
I really am struggling to see how they're going to defeat the Night King and Cersei in just 4 episodes, which makes me think there will be some sort of big shocking twist to speed things along, or that the Night King falls in the next episode and the last 3 are them dealing with Cersei.

I don’t think defeating Cersei is going to be difficult, even with her having the Golden Company. Even with one Dragon Dany (or Jon) can lay waste to large chunks of their forces....and....I’m not so sure we’ve seen the last of Dario and the Second Sons. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dany has already sent a raven requesting them get to Kingslanding OR if he hadn’t heard that the Golden Company was hired by Cersei and decided to come on his own.

Then you have the potential of Cersei being assassinated by one of a couple characters....that would essentially end the war.

I think ‘the’ battle of this show and this season is happening next week.
I agree that Cersei falling will likely not be a big battle. There needs to be some politics and backstabbing happening on that side of story to make it interesting.

I really hope the Golden Company doesn't swoop in the save the day unexpectedly against the Night King like the Vale did at the Battle of the Bastards.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2019, 06:37:13 AM: The way this is paced and many loose end story lines tied up quickly just last episode, 4 extended episodes seems plenty to wrap things up at this point.
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Post by: Chino on April 22, 2019, 06:42:05 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 06:33:05 AM
Quote from: lordxizor on April 22, 2019, 06:20:56 AM
I really am struggling to see how they're going to defeat the Night King and Cersei in just 4 episodes, which makes me think there will be some sort of big shocking twist to speed things along, or that the Night King falls in the next episode and the last 3 are them dealing with Cersei.

I don’t think defeating Cersei is going to be difficult, even with her having the Golden Company. Even with one Dragon Dany (or Jon) can lay waste to large chunks of their forces....and....I’m not so sure we’ve seen the last of Dario and the Second Sons. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dany has already sent a raven requesting them get to Kingslanding OR if he hadn’t heard that the Golden Company was hired by Cersei and decided to come on his own.

Then you have the potential of Cersei being assassinated by one of a couple characters....that would essentially end the war.

I think ‘the’ battle of this show and this season is happening next week.

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get the battle next week. We may get the start of it at the end of the episode. I think this because something has to happen with Cersei before the battle in Winterfell, I would assume. The writers aren't going to kill off 90% of the cast only to have the Seven Kingdom's last stand and GOT's final moments revolve around Cersei Lanister.

I'm still curious as to whether The Mountain can be turned into a white walker just by the Night King doing a dragon flyover. If he could, we might see the Night King take out Cersei before the battle in Winterfell even takes place.

Does the Night King have/want a queen? I could see Cersei filling that role in some capacity.
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Post by: faizoff on April 22, 2019, 06:51:47 AM: I'm quite positive the two episodes (ep 3 & 5) directed by Sapochnik will be battle-centric episodes, the guy has built his reputation on the two most amazing battle episodes in GOT. I would think they will be similar this time round.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 22, 2019, 07:09:54 AM: The last half (or more) of this episode was absolutely like the early part of the episode "Blackwater" and also "Watchers On The Wall", the two single location battle episodes from the series. Basically the latter part of this episode served the purpose of the early parts of those episodes. There's a reason every pre-staged battle in the show (and in other fantasy series) spends quieter time with the characters involved as they prepare / await what's coming. Of course, getting the buildup and tension of the first 20 minutes of Blackwater or the battle at the Wall with none of the resolution would leave something to be desired even though those parts (especially Blackwater) serve the whole episode very well, so people expecting the action to fall in this episode were obviously going to be sorely disappointed. But, by so thoroughly doing the "calm before the storm" atmosphere, "last night before the battle" moments now, I think that the show is well placed to go into the battle quite quickly next week, and when we are able to see the entire sequence of events laid out it will be like previous major battles but even bigger - if Blackwater was a one hour contained battle sequence (including the calm before the storm), then this battle at Winterfell is a two hour one, of which we have only seen the calm.

I think the next episode will absolutely include the bulk of the "battle at Winterfell" action. There may be follow up action played out in the episode after depending on how the battle at Winterfell goes, but I think the main beats that show us essentially how the broad picture goes will be resolved in the next episode (e.g. to the level of The Red Wedding, where we saw essentially how it played out in S3E9 but S3E10 began with the continued slaughter as the Hound made his way out of the Twins).

Also looks like the episode title is indeed confirmed as "A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms".
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Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 07:15:58 AM: I'm a little baffled by the criticism that this was a filler episode. The very first shot of the episode is on Jaime, in the hall of Winterfell, and the first words are from Dany to Jaime. On top of that, there's so much else that happened. Jorah gets Heartsbane. Arya attempts to find intimacy in her short life that's been filled with nothing but tragedy, blood, and death. Brienne arguably is the one who saves Jaime's life by putting in a good word for him. Dany attempts to reconcile with Sansa. Dany finds out Jon is a Targaryen with a stronger claim to the Throne. Bran doesn't necessarily forgive Jaime for what he did, but Jaime seems to find some comfort in finally apologizing to Bran 8 seasons later. Tyrion loves a good story and got one from Bran. There's more I know I'm forgetting... There are lots of significant moments in this episode with characters we have been following for 8 whole seasons, and some haven't even been in the same shot as each other since season 1 episode 1. It's awesome imo...

Lots of stuff happened this episode. I know there are only 4 episodes left but last season the problem was things were happening too fast, now things aren't happening fast enough or they're happening way too fast. I dunno. I think they're handling it wonderfully.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 22, 2019, 07:20:55 AM: I really like the theory that the Night King is flying down to Kings landing because I was thinking about why he wouldn't just fly in on the Ice Dragon and destroy winterfell. I'm also assuming we'll get some sort of badass dragon battle between Jon and the Night King at some point.

In regards to this episode I enjoyed it. I think these first two episodes will be much better when you're able to binge the series and not have to wait another week for the epic battle everyone is waiting for.

I think all of episode 3 will be the battle and will be a complete game changer. To my knowledge, nothing has been released about the second half of the season so I'm assuming some crazy shit is going to go down.
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Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 07:31:30 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 07:15:58 AM
I'm a little baffled by the criticism that this was a filler episode. The very first shot of the episode is on Jaime, in the hall of Winterfell, and the first words are from Dany to Jaime. On top of that, there's so much else that happened. Jorah gets Heartsbane. Arya attempts to find intimacy in her short life that's been filled with nothing but tragedy, blood, and death. Brienne arguably is the one who saves Jaime's life by putting in a good word for him. Dany attempts to reconcile with Sansa. Dany finds out Jon is a Targaryen with a stronger claim to the Throne. Bran doesn't necessarily forgive Jaime for what he did, but Jaime seems to find some comfort in finally apologizing to Bran 8 seasons later. Tyrion loves a good story and got one from Bran. There's more I know I'm forgetting... There are lots of significant moments in this episode with characters we have been following for 8 whole seasons, and some haven't even been in the same shot as each other since season 1 episode 1. It's awesome imo...

Lots of stuff happened this episode. I know there are only 4 episodes left but last season the problem was things were happening too fast, now things aren't happening fast enough or they're happening way too fast. I dunno. I think they're handling it wonderfully.

I agree completely that this was not filler.

However, as to why others MAY feel that way, I believe the episode count may play into that. This show has changed from character based to plot based in the last few seasons. So when you're a plot based show, stuff has to happen. When you have 6 episodes (I know a few are longer) and spend 2 of them (1/3 of the season) of just people talking, it can cause people to worry about how they will cram THAT much plot into 4 more episodes.

Again, agree it wasn't filler, but that might play a role as to why some others feel it was.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 07:42:22 AM: Yeah, I get that, but, I see a lot of plot threads moving just fine. 2 episodes ago, a lot of very important stuff hadn't yet happened. I think like others have said the anticipation is making us all a bit antsy, but next week will make up for it. I also think the reunion of characters who have barely been seen together since the first episode (if ever) gives it that fanfiction-y feel but I don't think that's necessarily the fault of the show.
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Post by: ariich on April 22, 2019, 07:43:05 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 22, 2019, 07:31:30 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 07:15:58 AM
I'm a little baffled by the criticism that this was a filler episode. The very first shot of the episode is on Jaime, in the hall of Winterfell, and the first words are from Dany to Jaime. On top of that, there's so much else that happened. Jorah gets Heartsbane. Arya attempts to find intimacy in her short life that's been filled with nothing but tragedy, blood, and death. Brienne arguably is the one who saves Jaime's life by putting in a good word for him. Dany attempts to reconcile with Sansa. Dany finds out Jon is a Targaryen with a stronger claim to the Throne. Bran doesn't necessarily forgive Jaime for what he did, but Jaime seems to find some comfort in finally apologizing to Bran 8 seasons later. Tyrion loves a good story and got one from Bran. There's more I know I'm forgetting... There are lots of significant moments in this episode with characters we have been following for 8 whole seasons, and some haven't even been in the same shot as each other since season 1 episode 1. It's awesome imo...

Lots of stuff happened this episode. I know there are only 4 episodes left but last season the problem was things were happening too fast, now things aren't happening fast enough or they're happening way too fast. I dunno. I think they're handling it wonderfully.

I agree completely that this was not filler.

However, as to why others MAY feel that way, I believe the episode count may play into that. This show has changed from character based to plot based in the last few seasons. So when you're a plot based show, stuff has to happen. When you have 6 episodes (I know a few are longer) and spend 2 of them (1/3 of the season) of just people talking, it can cause people to worry about how they will cram THAT much plot into 4 more episodes.

Again, agree it wasn't filler, but that might play a role as to why some others feel it was.
You seem to be using "plot" to mean "action".
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Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 07:45:44 AM: Ummm yes and no. I am meaning plot, which in this show also involves a ton of action. I guess it could be quickly summed up as "defeat night king" "defeat Cersei" But for either of those things to happen, a lot has to happen. It can't just be two battles, you know?
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Post by: ariich on April 22, 2019, 07:48:51 AM: Well I'd say episode 1 had plenty of plot, though little action. Episode 2 was light on both but I agree rich in character which was nice.

So I get why people might reasonably have wanted more story development in ep 2 but I can't see that argument for ep 1 unless people just want lots of thrilling action.
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Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 07:54:26 AM: Quote from: ariich on April 22, 2019, 07:48:51 AM
Well I'd say episode 1 had plenty of plot, though little action. Episode 2 was light on both but I agree rich in character which was nice.

So I get why people might reasonably have wanted more story development in ep 2 but I can't see that argument for ep 1 unless people just want lots of thrilling action.

Well, a lot of fans really do just want thrilling action. I'm not one of them, but it's there. Much in the same way tons of MCU fans get annoyed when a movie doesn't tie directly into the next Avengers films. People want adrenaline and excitement. Such is life I guess.

Another thing I just realized while listening to a review, which plays into my fan service complaints, is just HOW much they are treating this season like a final season. It's like the characters all know it's the last season and they're trying to cram everything into it to make sure the fans aren't left wanting. They're being overly nostalgic and sentimental, to the point where it just seems forced. Everyone standing around recounting the last 7 seasons for no reason than to elicit those emotions in the fans.

And as others, I believe, have pointed out, GoT used to treat death as something that happens whether we like it or not. It can happen at the worst times. But now? I mean, no matter who dies next episode, they've all redeemed themselves and their deaths will have a sense of feeling "okay" if not a bit bittersweet. There will be no real shock or heartbreak in the same way that we had with The Red Wedding, or Ned or many other deaths. Where they just happen because the story called for it. Now it's in service of the fans. Jamie dies? Cool, he's redeemed. Greyworm dies? Cool, look how far he's come. Jorah dies? Cool, Danny full forgave him. You know? It's like they are setting up their deaths in a much more predictable and cliche way than the show is known for.

Again, I am aware that most of you will not agree with me, and that is totally cool. I'm still enjoying the show, just from a different lens than I was before.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 07:59:35 AM: In the spirit of good fun conversation, not at all saying you're wrong in any objective way, Adami, I strongly disagree - Jaime has not fully redeemed himself. He is a changed man and not the person he was before, but he has never atoned for what he did to Bran. He stood in open defiance against Sansa, Dany, and Jon, and said he'd "do it all over again" if given the choice, for his House. He has a different perspective and he's not even the fighter he once was but that doesn't mean he's atoned for what he did in the past to the Starks, and I'd argue there's almost no redemption for him given all he's done, much like the only way I believe Theon can fully redeem himself for what he caused is to die defending Bran and Winterfell in the next episode.

I don't think there's supposed to be the same visceral shock and heartbreak of The Red Wedding, or Ned's death. We've seen so many important characters die unexpectedly throughout this show that I just don't think it's possible. Of all the theories out there, at least a few have to be correct to some degree, and it's not terribly hard to make a prediction that someone like Jon or Dany might die soon. At the beginning, there are limitless possibilities. I think it's best to just go in hoping for a really fun ride, and enjoy seeing these characters reach the conclusion of their stories. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 22, 2019, 08:02:29 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 22, 2019, 06:10:29 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on April 21, 2019, 08:35:11 PM
I think some are just getting impatient waiting for the battle. I thought tonight's episode was really good. It is clear that many we saw tonight will not survive next week's battle, so tonight was like a goodbye to many of them. We just don't know which ones yet.

I think this was one of my gripes with the episode. Not the being impatient part, but the way they are handling the onslaught of death we're about to witness. One of the things that made GOT so good early on was that no one was safe, and a character you loved could go from perfectly fine to dead in all of about 15 seconds. One of the draws to this show was the shock and sudden ends. We got a potential farewell and goodbye for just about every character, and it just felt very un-GOT.

- If Arya dies, at least she got laid for the first time.
- If Grey Worm dies, he got to say goodbye to the woman he loved
- If Jaime dies, at least he did something noble before going out
- If Sam dies, at least his family's sword is safe
- If Tormund dies, at least he got a few more jokes and a quick background in

It all just felt a little cliche for me, a little cheesy even. It's almost like the writers are trying to make the upcoming deaths more tolerable, or easier to swallow, which is the complete opposite of why this show has gotten as huge as it has.

While I get what you mean, I think it is fair to point out that most (if not all) of the sudden, unexpected deaths that have happened throughout the series were ones the characters themselves did not see coming. In the case of the upcoming battle, they all see it coming, and it seems like most think they are not going to survive it; the slow nature of impending doom was portrayed quite nicely last night. It's like most are accepting their fate and kicking back and enjoying life a little for once, albeit for a very short time, before inevitability overtakes them.

Also, I think I saw a comment by one of the showrunners that next week's episode will be in all-out battle mode from the second it begins, so I don't foresee any more build-up to it. Once next week's episode begins, it's on. :metal :metal
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 22, 2019, 08:13:57 AM: Yeah the reduced number of episodes for Season 7 and 8 has really piled on the pressure on each episode for the audience to worry about "How much happened?" and the impending "Only ____ episodes left". If you go back and look at, say, a random episode in Season 2 that isn't one of a handful of "event episodes" that are well remembered, you'd probably be surprised by how little "happens" in some of them compared to an episode like last week's (this week's episode did actually have quite a lot of breathing space for some extended character interactions which I think is a good thing considering its placement in the story).

Regarding so many characters having their "We're going to die" moments (both them literally talking about it, and those moments in a story that just make the audience sense that a character is going to die), I agree that the show is laying it on thick which on one hand is appropriate since this is the final season of such a massive long running story (and the characters themselves are confronting an existential threat so have reason to act hat way) but on the other hand being too heavy handed or "meta" about it might take people out of the story and lessen the impact of things rather than enhance it.

But even though it might all seem quite obvious, I think the story having so many characters that feel as though they could die is for a good reason. It could simply be that we have so many deaths crammed into a small space that, obvious or not, the show needed those moments for characters like Grey Worm or Jorah since they won't get another chance. Let's face it, if a dozen characters are dying then the show doesn't need to leverage a death like Grey Worm for "shock" - the shock will come from some of the other deaths or even just the sheer number of them, so it's more important just to give those characters some meaningful interactions even if it makes audiences think they're obviously a goner.

However, whether that's true or not I think another element is that with so many characters "marked for death" in terms of audience expectations, the audience actually doesn't know what's coming. I think there are only a handful of characters who don't seem "obviously doomed" going into the next episode (Jon, Daenerys, and Sansa are the main ones that spring to mind). And while it's possible that yes, literally everyone will die, it's also possible there will be a better survivorship rate than we expect but because those characters have had their sympathetic moments, reached the end of the line on some of their emotional journeys, and made their hopeful future plans for what happens if they make it, the audience will feel that they are in genuine peril even if they end up making it out alive.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 08:23:36 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 22, 2019, 07:54:26 AM
And as others, I believe, have pointed out, GoT used to treat death as something that happens whether we like it or not. It can happen at the worst times. But now? I mean, no matter who dies next episode, they've all redeemed themselves and their deaths will have a sense of feeling "okay" if not a bit bittersweet. There will be no real shock or heartbreak in the same way that we had with The Red Wedding, or Ned or many other deaths. Where they just happen because the story called for it. Now it's in service of the fans. Jamie dies? Cool, he's redeemed. Greyworm dies? Cool, look how far he's come. Jorah dies? Cool, Danny full forgave him. You know? It's like they are setting up their deaths in a much more predictable and cliche way than the show is known for.

I agree that the 'shock' value of any death from here on out is basically gone....but that's largely due to the scenario(s) those characters will be in.....one's where they expect to and should die. The deaths you mentioned and the ones that shocked us were in circumstances that caught us off guard. I think the show is just at a different point of the story right now where instances of 'I didn't see that coming' are going to be rare.

While I don't have too much an issue with them 'closing out' a lot of these characters (Brianne getting nighted / Jamie more or less being redeemed etc) it is a bit 'fortunate' and does contradict what a large part of the show has been. Having characters kind of get these 'happy' moments is the opposite of what we're used to...but, I personally don't mind it as it does complete them in a way. But I completely see and feel your view on it Adami. The storytelling and what's important to the show runners has shifted since the inception to now.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 08:24:36 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 07:59:35 AM
In the spirit of good fun conversation, not at all saying you're wrong in any objective way, Adami, I strongly disagree - Jaime has not fully redeemed himself. He is a changed man and not the person he was before, but he has never atoned for what he did to Bran. He stood in open defiance against Sansa, Dany, and Jon, and said he'd "do it all over again" if given the choice, for his House. He has a different perspective and he's not even the fighter he once was but that doesn't mean he's atoned for what he did in the past to the Starks, and I'd argue there's almost no redemption for him given all he's done, much like the only way I believe Theon can fully redeem himself for what he caused is to die defending Bran and Winterfell in the next episode.

I don't think there's supposed to be the same visceral shock and heartbreak of The Red Wedding, or Ned's death. We've seen so many important characters die unexpectedly throughout this show that I just don't think it's possible. Of all the theories out there, at least a few have to be correct to some degree, and it's not terribly hard to make a prediction that someone like Jon or Dany might die soon. At the beginning, there are limitless possibilities. I think it's best to just go in hoping for a really fun ride, and enjoy seeing these characters reach the conclusion of their stories. :biggrin:

Nice post :tup
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Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 08:36:46 AM: Just to clarify, it wasn't the "shock" of the deaths I am talking about. It's about they happen even at the worst moments for those characters. Those characters get no closure, death just comes for them. Now, every character gets all the closure before their deaths so that the audience feels a sense of being "okay" with them. It's much more traditional, which is something GoT used to....get away from.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 08:37:04 AM: There is one thing that I really really wish would have been brought up: Rickon Stark. Nobody has made a single mention of him and it makes me very sad. I'm sure the Starks are always thinking about Catelyn and Ned and Robb in the backs of their minds yet Rickon has never once in this series really had much acknowledgment, especially after Ramsay killed him. That's kind of his role to play, but... it makes me sad. The Forgotten Stark. His life had been one of the most tragic and bleak, and his death might be the one that's haunted me the most, more than anybody else.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 08:40:26 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 22, 2019, 08:36:46 AM
Just to clarify, it wasn't the "shock" of the deaths I am talking about. It's about they happen even at the worst moments for those characters. Those characters get no closure, death just comes for them. Now, every character gets all the closure before their deaths so that the audience feels a sense of being "okay" with them. It's much more traditional, which is something GoT used to....get away from.

yeah....you're right. That was part of the 'experience' in those deaths. It was sudden and....you nailed it.....zero closure for those characters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 08:41:21 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 08:37:04 AM
There is one thing that I really really wish would have been brought up: Rickon Stark. Nobody has made a single mention of him and it makes me very sad. I'm sure the Starks are always thinking about Catelyn and Ned and Robb in the backs of their minds yet Rickon has never once in this series really had much acknowledgment, especially after Ramsay killed him. That's kind of his role to play, but... it makes me sad. The Forgotten Stark. His life had been one of the most tragic and bleak, and his death might be the one that's haunted me the most, more than anybody else.

He'll be brought up next week when he's wreaking havoc in the crypts with Robb and other Stark ancestors :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 08:43:32 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 08:37:04 AM
There is one thing that I really really wish would have been brought up: Rickon Stark. Nobody has made a single mention of him and it makes me very sad. I'm sure the Starks are always thinking about Catelyn and Ned and Robb in the backs of their minds yet Rickon has never once in this series really had much acknowledgment, especially after Ramsay killed him. That's kind of his role to play, but... it makes me sad. The Forgotten Stark. His life had been one of the most tragic and bleak, and his death might be the one that's haunted me the most, more than anybody else.

He'll be brought up next week when he's wreaking havoc in the crypts with Robb and other Stark ancestors :lol

Noooooo :omg: I wonder if they even recovered his body from the field... corpse was probably trampled and mangled... ugh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 08:43:52 AM: Also, not really a criticism, but did anyone else feel that the preview for next week's episode was REALLY dark? As in I had to turn my screen brightness all the way up and still could barely see anything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 22, 2019, 08:46:55 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 22, 2019, 08:43:52 AM
Also, not really a criticism, but did anyone else feel that the preview for next week's episode was REALLY dark? As in I had to turn my screen brightness all the way up and still could barely see anything.

Agreed. That is my biggest beef with modern day stuff: too many scenes where it is really dark, almost to where it is easy to miss a lot going on. And that is my big worry about next week's episode, that the entire battle will be fought in the dark at night. I liked the show Boardwalk Empire, but they drove me nuts at times with how dark some scenes were.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 08:47:54 AM: I agree, but I thought it was just because my TV is kind of cheap (and about 8 years old with some burn-in); I just figured it didn't have good enough black levels or whatever the technical jargon is. That's one reason I want a high quality 4K TV so much, much better visual fidelity in dark scenes and stuff
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 08:51:44 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 08:47:54 AM
I agree, but I thought it was just because my TV is kind of cheap (and about 8 years old with some burn-in); I just figured it didn't have good enough black levels or whatever the technical jargon is. That's one reason I want a high quality 4K TV so much, much better visual fidelity in dark scenes and stuff

This is me. My TV isn't the best....just a mid tier 4k Hisense so night time or dark scenes are always no fun to watch. I'm going to tinker with some settings this week to see if I can improve upon it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 22, 2019, 08:59:20 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 08:37:04 AM
There is one thing that I really really wish would have been brought up: Rickon Stark. Nobody has made a single mention of him and it makes me very sad. I'm sure the Starks are always thinking about Catelyn and Ned and Robb in the backs of their minds yet Rickon has never once in this series really had much acknowledgment, especially after Ramsay killed him. That's kind of his role to play, but... it makes me sad. The Forgotten Stark. His life had been one of the most tragic and bleak, and his death might be the one that's haunted me the most, more than anybody else.
Backwards looking moments that focus on characters or events that aren't immediately relevant to the story moving forward are one of the things missing in the last few seasons. I understand to an extent why it's the case - frankly not all viewers remember everything that's happened and the effort of bringing something up in a scene to make it meaningful is probably only worth it in a few cases. Stark children reflecting on Ned Stark? Works well. Someone mentioning something like "Oh remember the Tyrells? Yeah they're dead now" to Sansa? It just doesn't really fit the current events well, even though Sansa did actually know the Tyrells and you might wonder about her reaction to their death.

Sometimes it's more disappointing though - for example I didn't immediately notice that it hadn't come up yet, but thinking back it's a shame that no one this season mentioned Littefinger. I kind of get why - the conversations that play out are ones which raise issues or emotions that are important to the characters right now and for the rest of the season, while Littefinger's story has played out and no one is going to be doing anything because of his death now. But it would have been interesting to get a scene of seeing Varys or Tyrion discussing his death considering their history, a little comment about schemers etc. and how the game played out for him.

For Rickon at least, the ones who were relevant to him were either involved in the storyline when he died and got hugely important reactions to his death, or are now the Three Eyed Raven.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 09:02:17 AM: For me it's more Arya not even asking about Rickon. Like she knows Ned, Catelyn, and Robb are dead, and she's seen Jon, Sansa, and Bran, but no mention of the one last Stark. Something about that just bothers me on a deep level. Even if she knows he's gone, I would've liked at least ten seconds of her asking Sansa upon her return, "And Rickon?" and Sansa giving her a very sad quiet look. :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 22, 2019, 09:13:37 AM: Yeah Arya is the one missing out on having any moment related to Rickon (even though Bran was closest to him, we know how that will go). Arya is weird enough and so desensitized to death, and she never had any interaction with Rickon shown or mentioned him as far as I remember so maybe it makes sense for it not to be all that important for the show to have her dealing with it. But there could have been a moment for it to give the last Stark their due. Personally I think Jon mentioning it would've worked - he was hit hardest by Rickon's death because of the circumstances, Arya is the one he loved the most and for Arya Jon represents the positive memories of her siblings when they were younger, and Jon even said something about wishing she had been there earlier to be in his corner, would have been a good time to mention that he even lost Rickon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 22, 2019, 11:46:50 AM: I've been pretty split on this last season, but I've also been very pessimistic since the double dipshits made the decision to make the last 2 seasons shorter.
The me that complies with the "it is what it is" notion that people say when they want to shut critics up, is pretty content with the job they have been doing so far in wrapping things up. I really enjoyed episode 2 and all the character interactions it offered. They used up every minute of it to make sure they give us enough of these characters to counter the limited number of episodes, a corner they stuck themselves in.
The other me absolutely loathes what they've done here, this episode isn't slow! It's absolutely rushed, the character resolutions and development we've seen in episode 2 could fill up an entire season of the earlier years, easy.
Long story short; there was enough material, even without the books, to have seasons 7 and 8 both have 10 episodes each and go through the plotlines in the same way they were doing on the first 5 seasons. Cause that has to be it, no? The seasons are shorter why? The only claim is that there isn't enough story, which is utterly false, resolutions of the on-going plotlines alone could have perfectly carried the 2 full seasons, that would have the feel and pacing of the earlier seasons. This is not a simple case of me wanting more episodes to watch, it's about consistency.
The working objective of writing this episode could have been "Wrap up as many loose ends as you can, make them feel we gave it the time it deserved" and I think they succeeded in this objective since some people seem to think the episode was slow.
The real fucking shame is, since the show has been amazing, there's no way we can hope for someone to come along and re-do it proper just cause the last couple of seasons were rushed, at least it won't happen in our lifetime.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2019, 11:55:55 AM: One thing to consider with the shorter seasons is the actors/actresses. Many of them have expressed that although they love(d) being on the show....they were ready to move on. Extended seasons/episodes would have required them to be involved longer etc etc.

I'm sure HBO is fine with spending the $$$ on the additional episodes....but, I'd think with the shorter seasons their ROI is greater than if they were to have had 10 episodes per.

I agree the content was/is there for each of the last two seasons to have been 10 episodes....but I don't think that the story was the only thing influencing that decision.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2019, 12:00:47 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 22, 2019, 11:46:50 AM
The only claim is that there isn't enough story, which is utterly false, resolutions of the on-going plotlines alone could have perfectly carried the 2 full seasons, that would have the feel and pacing of the earlier seasons. This is not a simple case of me wanting more episodes to watch, it's about consistency.
The working objective of writing this episode could have been "Wrap up as many loose ends as you can, make them feel we gave it the time it deserved" and I think they succeeded in this objective since some people seem to think the episode was slow.

Well, there isn't enough of the story from the original writer, which means more story the show needs to make up so that part does make some sense to me, the show has shown it's own stories aren't as good as GRRM's. And I totally get the feeling that this episodes had that objective because that's how it felt. It didn't feel slow, and it wasn't filler, it was forced and crammed into one episode and just felt off because of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 02:38:42 PM: I also just want to go on record that I am 100% against zombies coming up from the crypts.

It has to be THE most over telegraphed moment ever, and one that flies completely in the face of logic. These are not dumb characters. Jon Snow, specifically, is pretty intelligent. If none of them see that coming, then it will actually turn me off a whole lot. So if they do the zombie Stark thing and no one on the show saw it coming, then my respect for this show will plummet significantly.

So here's hoping it doesn't go down that way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 22, 2019, 03:06:03 PM: Just saw it, great episode!

To the points addressed in the latest comments...

- Pacing: yeah, I can see why some would be fine with it, and some annoyed by it. But, for better or worse, the writers have purged every other storyline, so there's literally nothing else to show. The Tyrells are all dead, the Dorne storyline was butchered and buried, Yara and Theon got back to Winterfell... there's absolutely nothing else worth showing other than Qyburn fooling around and Cersei having hate sex with Euron.
- This ties also with the number of episodes... I believe they said that the production escalated into the "basically a movie" category, that's why they couldn't film more episodes. But I do wish we got 80 episodes in the end.

And now, some musings about the episode...

- Good recton of Dany's attitude by going up to Sansa and be friendlier with her. Took Jorah to do it.
- Tormund as a comic relief is awesome :lol him trying to impress Brienne with the story of the giantess nurturing him and then drinking like the average drunk metalhead at a concert was glorious. Also, I have no doubt about what he means with "I'd knight you 10 times over".
- ARYA GOT LAID, YAY!!! But it felt weird. I mean, I know that Maise has grown up and that she's an adult woman now but she was always cute little psycho killer, and when you see her in talk shows she's always cute and adorable, felt weird to see almost her butt and almost her boobs :lol
- Jon, are you sure the best moment to tell Dany the truth is moments before the most important battle in the history of Westeros? way to destabilize her mind!!!
- As mentioned earlier, I can totally see the crypts being a disaster for everyone involved. But I bet it would be something better than "zombie Starks" - I mean, how decomposed are the bodies anyway? Ned Stark was beheaded and the casket presented by Littlefinger to Catelyn was too small to contain a headless adult man. The ancestors are dust by now.
- I didn't really get a continous "Hey, look this character, he's good now, he's gonna die" feel... but I did get it from Greyworm and Missandei talking about her home. They're totally a goner.
- Forget everyone not mentioning Rickon. WHY NOBODY IS MAKING A CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR THE UNDEAD DRAGON?
- Speaking of that.... to quote Margaery at the sept: "The Night King is not here. The undead dragon is not here. Why do you think they're not here?"

(The answer might be that Reddit theory I posted some days ago)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 03:19:30 PM: And while I don't blame the characters on the show for this, Bran's plan with the Night King....is REALLY dumb.

"Hey guys, I'm gonna hang out by this tree with freakin Reek and wait for the Night King to come for me. And then Reek.....freakin Reek......will kill the Night King"

NO!

The Night King is on a god damn ice dragon! All he has to do is fly over you and torch you in 2 seconds. Bam. Done.

Obviously the Night King won't be anywhere near Winterfell, but it's a bad plan.

This is a major problem with the whites in general. When they were a metaphor for putting aside your small issues for a global threat, they were great. But they've stopped being a good metaphor and now they're just another giant faceless army where they all die once you kill the big boss. Less interesting to me. But people want battles and cool stuff, so that's what the shows do.

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and they will be dealt with in a non-traditional way, but I doubt it. Looks like we're going full on traditional.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 22, 2019, 03:30:21 PM: Yeah, the "Kill the big boss" issue, when presented in Beyond the Wall (the episode), worried me as well. It reminded me of knowing of Voldemort's horcruxes in the Harry Potter saga - the moment you learn about them, does anybody have any doubt about how, give or take the actual detalis, the story is gonna end?

I hope too it's not gonna be the same here.

Also, forgot about it earlier, the dragons riding scene should have been less merry and frolicking. Dany should have not egged Jon to climb aboard a dragon, like "Sorry guys, we were riding a dragon and your ex King is dead because he fell, whopsie! my bad!" would have been an acceptable option. Dany should have been both amazed and worried about Jon being allowed by Rhaegal on board with him, and then during the revelation Jon should have said "Now I guess we know why Rhaegal allowed me to fly him".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 03:34:27 PM: EDIT: My two cents: The wights have never been anymore than faceless peons who die when a White Walker is killed. That's never changed. They still are that metaphor for putting aside (relatively) small issues for a global threat, too - that's why they allowed Jaime to join their ranks, that's why Tyrion made an argument for the Lannister army marching north, that's why Sansa has tried to steady herself and get along with Daenerys, that's why Jon has tried to calm the northern lords down from their outrage over the aforementioned news.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 03:40:36 PM: I don't have a problem with the idea of zombie Starks in general. Rickon could be one, and so could Lyanna. She only died...30 years ago maybe? Bodies ain't dust at that point. She might be ugly, but she's still in one piece. Especially in that cold.

My issue is this...

Every single person watching's reaction to the crypts: "OH MY GOD THEY ARE GOING TO BECOME WHITES DOWN THERE"
Every character in the show: "Sounds like a safe place to put everyone without any weapons"

The issue with that, is that we all have the same exact information. We don't know anything the characters don't know. If we ALL notice something super quickly, and no one in the show figures that thing out, then that is bad and lazy writing.

Like I said, I hope it doesn't go down that way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 22, 2019, 03:44:44 PM: The crypts are likely somewhere in the 40°F range and likely very dry. Bodies would mummify, not decay.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 03:46:30 PM: Adami, that's racist. It's wights! :lol

I don't know decomposition well (despite being friends with a mortician), but I would have thought Lyanna would be too far gone to be brought back. Like I said though I don't know if they buried her in permafrost so maybe... Someone else raised a good point: the wight they brought to King's Landing was in a big wooden box and couldn't break free by thrashing relentlessly around in there. Think a wight could break out of a stone tomb even if they weren't chained?

EDIT: Just saw Chino's post. Interesting. Y'know, either way, I'm fine with wights in the crypt. Bring it on. This show is just too much damn fun.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2019, 03:56:14 PM: We all know Starks are in stone down there, but are there other burials? I just wonder how much their truly is to the crypts. The Starks rising out of the stone seems unlikely to me, but we know they can be resurrected just as skeletons so the decomposing part doesn't seem to be an issue, it's just if they are together enough to form a body that can move I guess. If there's more burials down there not in stone, I don't see why those couldn't rise. If the Starks are stone mummies though, that will be really dumb IMO.

My thinking at this point, we know there's a hidden way in/out of Winterfell through the crypts and Theon knows this. I'm thinking it's more likely the escape route when Winterfell falls, than the choke point of death, although also a strong possibility. Theon maybe leading the way but staying back to by time as his final sacrifice seems possible. And I do think Winterfell falls and the survivors go off to Pyke to recover. Maybe Dragonstone, but I think the show has mentioned Pyke being safe a couple times.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on April 22, 2019, 04:33:13 PM: If the dead of the Starks turn to wights, I predict that Sam will chant the rhyme that summons Tom Bombadil to rescue them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 22, 2019, 05:08:04 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 22, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
This is a major problem with the whites in general. When they were a metaphor for putting aside your small issues for a global threat, they were great. But they've stopped being a good metaphor and now they're just another giant faceless army where they all die once you kill the big boss.
Yeah, and ultimately that's an issue that was always going to be a potential problem with this story - how do you have something that serves well as that metaphor for a global threat when characters are more focused on other conflicts, then not have it feel lackluster or at least completely different from the earlier story when the characters actually do put aside some of their issues to face the threat directly? Don't get me wrong, I think there will be some good material to be found in fighting against an army of zombies, but it's definitely not the same type of fleshed out, complexity laden and tradition eschewing conflict that made the show originally shine.

I was thinking about this earlier since book readers have long since wondered what it would be like once the main characters and most of the people of Westeros had to actually think about the army of the dead. And the fact is... when it comes to the books we're still wondering. The wights and what's beyond the Wall are not even remotely close to the story for virtually all of the characters. The only POV characters in the books that even have any idea or care in the slightest are Jon, Bran, and Sam, plus Melisandre and Davos. We only have a single chapter of Melisandre's POV, and while Davos came with Stannis to the Wall his book storyline took him away from the Wall and has been only concerned with politics between Northern Houses - and the army of the dead beyond the Wall is just not a big factor in the politics of the books at the moment. And for some perspective - in the books even Jon Snow has not yet laid eyes on a White Walker, Samwell is the only POV character outside of the prologue that has seen one.

Obviously with the show passing the books they've been out on their own for a while now and there have been some difficulties without the books as a roadmap (the biggest one being in making it feel like there are wider political consequences to big events, imo), but I think it's quite notable that when it comes to the fight against the White Walkers not only are they on their own storywise but they have literally no basis from GRRM's books for how to treat people reacting to the threat of the wights, for anyone outside of the Night's Watch and people operating off of magic visions. It's questionable how well it's been done of course but being left with this existential threat that was always hovering at the edge of the story with no published material to guide them on how to handle it, it has been interesting to see them attempt to bring it together at least.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 22, 2019, 06:17:46 PM: Didn't love the episode. Didn't hate it either. Felt pretty middle ground. Did really love the scene where Jon reveals his true identity though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2019, 07:34:19 PM: Prediction, could be way off here... Next ep, Arya is being chased through the crypts by zombie Nymeria.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 22, 2019, 07:37:00 PM: Looks to me after reading the responses about the second episode a lot of DTF'ers have disappointed their lovers with their foreplay.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 23, 2019, 01:24:15 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 07:34:19 PM
Prediction, could be way off here... Next ep, Arya is being chased through the crypts by zombie Nymeria.

Nymeria was off doing her solo stuff in the middle of Westeros, she'd hardly come back to Winterfell.

But Arya running scared in the crypts was shown in the trailers... I start to prepare pre-emptively that the show is gonna dumb down some of the lore, and maybe we'll see zombie Starks, but let's not forget about how "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell". I'm quite confident that what now seems a random tradition, was a very specific instruction made up aeons ago at the end of the Long Night, and that there is more to it than "someone of the family must hold the titular castle", but everyone forgot about it. Heck, even "Winter is coming" could have a deeper and more sinister meaning.

Anyway, random thought - it took 8 seasons, but we finally found out that there are more than two songs in Westeros! ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 23, 2019, 05:21:01 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 22, 2019, 03:56:14 PM
We all know Starks are in stone down there, but are there other burials? I just wonder how much their truly is to the crypts. The Starks rising out of the stone seems unlikely to me, but we know they can be resurrected just as skeletons so the decomposing part doesn't seem to be an issue, it's just if they are together enough to form a body that can move I guess. If there's more burials down there not in stone, I don't see why those couldn't rise. If the Starks are stone mummies though, that will be really dumb IMO.

My thinking at this point, we know there's a hidden way in/out of Winterfell through the crypts and Theon knows this. I'm thinking it's more likely the escape route when Winterfell falls, than the choke point of death, although also a strong possibility. Theon maybe leading the way but staying back to by time as his final sacrifice seems possible. And I do think Winterfell falls and the survivors go off to Pyke to recover. Maybe Dragonstone, but I think the show has mentioned Pyke being safe a couple times.
The Starks are buried in stone - just the kings afaik, plus Lyanna. They were buried with iron swords, and we know in the books WWs and wights don't like iron, so maybe that's a mechanism to prevent dead Starks from rising. In the books Ned mentions that some of the iron swords have rusted away, so maybe that's a way for some of them to rise. The mythical guy who built the crypts is the same guy who built the Wall, so he knew about the threat of WWs, the question is whether the stone is enough to keep the dead from rising and the iron swords are added weapons for anyone who would want to retreat to the crypt and fight the enemy there, or if the swords are what would keep the dead inside.

So if all the dead Starks rise, it would be pretty dumb. If a few of them rise - the ones who don't have the swords like Lyanna or those whose swords have rusted - I'll forgive that, though I think it would be stupid if wights could rise from stone tombs. One thing that could freak Arya out like in the trailer would be dead Robb rising with a wolf's head sewn onto his neck :metal but idk if his bones made it to Winterfell. In the show Ned's bones are also in Winterfell, in the book they've been sent there but they haven't made it. It would also be freaky if the dead couldn't get out of the tombs but could be heard banging and clanging against the stone. It would be awesome if the dead Starks could rise and fight for the living but it wouldn't make any sense - the only way to turn a person but not in a zombified way is to put dragonglass in them while they're still alive. The ways of magic are still kinda mysterious in the books but there would be no precedent to this in the show.

My prediction: the crypt telegraphing and trailer appearances are for book readers and theory makers who theorized there would be something important in the tombs, like proof of Jon's parentage, or some scrolls about WWs and their history, or a way for WWs to barge into the tombs, or the vague and distant possibility of dead Starks rising. In the show, the forces of ice are simply going to gain an unseen advantage and barge into the tombs and the freaked out survivors will have to retreat through underground tunnels.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2019, 05:35:41 AM: To anyone that has read the books, where exactly did George get up to storywise? and when did the show start writing its own material? Just curious. I was thinking about reading the books, but wasn't sure where the show started doing its own thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2019, 05:39:48 AM: I cannot answer that, as I have not read the books, but I have seen quite a bit of chatter online from the book readers who claim that the writing and dialogue haven't been as good on the show since the moment when the books ended and the show runners had to start essentially continuing the story on their own (for lack of a better term).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 23, 2019, 06:02:04 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2019, 05:35:41 AM
To anyone that has read the books, where exactly did George get up to storywise? and when did the show start writing its own material? Just curious. I was thinking about reading the books, but wasn't sure where the show started doing its own thing.
Season 5ish was when they started to run out of material re: main characters and their arcs. In the books

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
Jon Snow is newly dead, Tyrion and Dany haven't met yet (they almost met), Cersei isn't a queen and is unlikely to become one, Jamie and Brienne have run into a character that's not in the show, Sansa has a different arc and she's still doing things with a very much alive Littlefinger, Arya is still assassinating people, Bran is slowly gaining his magical powers but Hodor is still alive. Euron is a lot different when he appears in the released chapters from the sixth book - he messes with a lot of dark magic and has big plans to fuck the world up. I think they downplayed him in the show because they already have a Big Bad, the Night King.
END OF SPOILER

There's a lot of clues in the books about things happening that happened in the show so I can see the books going in that direction - there's no way Dany will keep all of her dragons, no way Jon stays dead, no way Stannis survives to the end, Shireen is likely to be sacrificed at some point, all of Cersei's children will die, they got the Hodor thing straight from the books most likely, the Others and the Children of the Forest seem to be connected, Jon and Dany might fall in love (there's some foreshadowing that points in that direction). But there's no way it all happens like it happens in the show. The show just feels... they had notes on what might happen or the logic of things, and they just went with the most straightforward way to put all the chess pieces together and get rid of the superfluous people so the Others can finally be fought by the forces of the living. They did a good job and I admire them for doing that because it's not what they signed up for. But the books are better.

When you read the books, you don't feel like you're watching chess pieces move, and the world of magic and what's beyond the Wall seems much more mysterious than the whole Walking Dead thing the show is doing. I hope we get at least the sixth book, and some of these magical mysteries start paying off, because I know they're not going to reveal anything about the Others in the show. They're saving that for the prequel thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 23, 2019, 06:03:41 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 22, 2019, 03:46:30 PM

I don't know decomposition well (despite being friends with a mortician), but I would have thought Lyanna would be too far gone to be brought back. Like I said though I don't know if they buried her in permafrost so maybe... Someone else raised a good point: the wight they brought to King's Landing was in a big wooden box and couldn't break free by thrashing relentlessly around in there. Think a wight could break out of a stone tomb even if they weren't chained?

Didn't the one that they brought to King's Landing not have any legs? That might complicate things when trying to get out of a box.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 23, 2019, 06:07:08 AM: He did, but he was chopped in half during the "Show and tell" lesson for Cersei. First thing the undead did when pushed out of the box was running straight for Cersei, the Hound pulled him back with the chains.

Something I forgot: Bronn didn't show up in Winterfell, and he's left King's Landing, where do you think he is and how he'll pop back again in the life of the survivors of Winterfell?

Also - if Qyburn could think of the "scorpion" to throw harpoons at dragons, why nobody in Winterfell came up with a possible plan B to get the Night King? if you know that killing him will potentially destroy the whole army, why nobody thought about shooting him from afar? might be difficult but anything different than "Walk straight up to him" is worth a try.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2019, 06:28:24 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 23, 2019, 05:21:01 AM
My prediction: the crypt telegraphing and trailer appearances are for book readers and theory makers who theorized there would be something important in the tombs, like proof of Jon's parentage, or some scrolls about WWs and their history, or a way for WWs to barge into the tombs, or the vague and distant possibility of dead Starks rising. In the show, the forces of ice are simply going to gain an unseen advantage and barge into the tombs and the freaked out survivors will have to retreat through underground tunnels.

Thanks Mora for the explanation about the crypts, I read the books but can't remember details like that anymore, I can't even remember show details like I used to after the long break between seasons :lol Also, I agree with this prediction, I'd love to see more in the crypts and learn about the WWs, but the show just might use this area for an escape route. Next week is a super long episode though, I hope that means there's plenty of time to get real cool explanations and learn things in the crpyts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 23, 2019, 06:33:20 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 23, 2019, 06:07:08 AM
He did, but he was chopped in half during the "Show and tell" lesson for Cersei. First thing the undead did when pushed out of the box was running straight for Cersei, the Hound pulled him back with the chains.

Oh yeah. You right.

Quote from: MirrorMask on April 23, 2019, 06:07:08 AM
Something I forgot: Bronn didn't show up in Winterfell, and he's left King's Landing, where do you think he is and how he'll pop back again in the life of the survivors of Winterfell?

King's landing is pretty far away, he could still be on his way. I think there's a chance of Winterfell being left for dead as everyone flees south. We might run into him again somewhere in the middle of the map.

Quote from: MirrorMask on April 23, 2019, 06:07:08 AM

Also - if Qyburn could think of the "scorpion" to throw harpoons at dragons, why nobody in Winterfell came up with a possible plan B to get the Night King? if you know that killing him will potentially destroy the whole army, why nobody thought about shooting him from afar? might be difficult but anything different than "Walk straight up to him" is worth a try.

That might be what Arya's projectile spear thing is for.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2019, 06:37:35 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 23, 2019, 06:33:20 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 23, 2019, 06:07:08 AM
Also - if Qyburn could think of the "scorpion" to throw harpoons at dragons, why nobody in Winterfell came up with a possible plan B to get the Night King? if you know that killing him will potentially destroy the whole army, why nobody thought about shooting him from afar? might be difficult but anything different than "Walk straight up to him" is worth a try.

That might be what Arya's projectile spear thing is for.

Well, I think because their thought is he won't show himself, except in the Godswood for Bran apparently. I'm with you guys, make a plan B, C, D... whatever. The plan to capture a wight didn't make much sense either. We'll see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 23, 2019, 07:52:47 AM: I can already hear the complaints about next week's episode coming a mile away but no matter what happens I am psyched. Been anticipating this upcoming battle for 2 years and holy hell am I ready. Don't care what happens, I'm not gonna be disappointed. We still have about 5 hours left of the show (about 80 minutes for each of the last episodes). Personally I feel like season 7 set up the endgame so well, and season 8 is all about the sweet payoffs. It's the sick combination of dread and excitement that I can't get enough of. I really hope there are some twists they have up their sleeves that make me scream WHAT?! at my TV a few times.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lordxizor on April 23, 2019, 08:48:40 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 23, 2019, 07:52:47 AM
I really hope there are some twists they have up their sleeves that make me scream WHAT?! at my TV a few times.
I hope so too. However, the great thing, and the problem with this show is that by now we know anything can happen. I would not be shocked if the Night King won in the end or if Cersei ends up on the Throne. The days of being shocked by the show are over I fear.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2019, 08:49:45 AM: Quote from: lordxizor on April 23, 2019, 08:48:40 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 23, 2019, 07:52:47 AM
I really hope there are some twists they have up their sleeves that make me scream WHAT?! at my TV a few times.
I hope so too. However, the great thing, and the problem with this show is that by now we know anything can happen. I would not be shocked if the Night King won in the end or if Cersei ends up on the Throne. The days of being shocked by the show are over I fear.

Maybe but I'd personally find either of those endings shocking.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2019, 08:54:57 AM: So I was watching some reviews of the last episode, and someone said something I thought was actually kind of funny.

They weren't being too serious. They pointed out that before Arya went to Gendry to get some D, who did she go to first? The Hound. Only left when that other dude showed up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2019, 08:56:46 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 23, 2019, 08:54:57 AM
So I was watching some reviews of the last episode, and someone said something I thought was actually kind of funny.

They weren't being too serious. They pointed out that before Arya went to Gendry to get some D, who did she go to first? The Hound. Only left when that other dude showed up.

funny interpretation, but I did enjoy that scene as the Hound asks her why shes so quiet and yet he's sitting there in silence, not even drinking. Total opposite of him before Blackwater.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 23, 2019, 08:58:22 AM: I hope the ending to the series is bittersweet. I hope it isn't a happy ending. The world will likely still go on (there's still the East, even if Westeros falls) - but I want some massive consequences to everything we're about to see. I want the characters to be conflicted and torn with how everything ends.

I also hope The Hound lives. I hope he kills his brother and just lives until he's an old, even more miserable bastard.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2019, 09:00:07 AM: I hope we get a Lego Movie ending where it's just a bunch of nerds playing with action figures or something.

That'd be a shocking twist ending.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 23, 2019, 09:13:14 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 23, 2019, 09:00:07 AM
I hope we get a Lego Movie ending where it's just a bunch of nerds playing with action figures or something.

That'd be a shocking twist ending.

That. Would. Be. Awesome. :lol

Quote from: Kattelox on April 23, 2019, 08:58:22 AM
I hope the ending to the series is bittersweet. I hope it isn't a happy ending.

Bittersweet is the word that Martin and the Show Runners have used to describe the ending....so, I'd be ready for that type of ending. I don't see how you end this show in a 'happy' way. It'll probably be the 'only' way it could end, which doesn't make a happy one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 23, 2019, 09:17:11 AM: Double twist, it's actually the kids from Stranger Things in their new DND campaign! They have violent, dirty minds. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 23, 2019, 09:25:41 AM: Bran will barely make it out alive, and after the dust clears, he claws his way into the Iron Throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 23, 2019, 04:27:20 PM: I’m predicting both Theon and Davos’s deaths in episode 3, at the very least.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2019, 06:58:14 PM: I would like to see Jon end up on the throne, mainly because he's always been the reluctant leader. He's never lusted for power, but when the situation needed a leader, he has stepped up to the challenge and has provided quality. He has a claim as well, being a legit Targaryen and everything, but even if he didn't, he still would be my choice based on quality of character.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 23, 2019, 08:19:11 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2019, 06:58:14 PM
I would like to see Jon end up on the throne, mainly because he's always been the reluctant leader. He's never lusted for power, but when the situation needed a leader, he has stepped up to the challenge and has provided quality. He has a claim as well, being a legit Targaryen and everything, but even if he didn't, he still would be my choice based on quality of character.

(https://i.redd.it/iuo3j151sut21.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 23, 2019, 08:31:59 PM: I've heard some pretty dumb theories in my day, the worst being Tyrion is a Targaryan, but this whole crypt wights theory going around the internet takes the cake. When did we ever see wights coming out of graves? They've always been fresh kills, can you imagine how much bigger their army would be if the white walkers can reanimate everyone who's ever died?! God freakin God, I'm pretty sure the show won't do that, fuck I really hope they don't.
Thinking about getting that illustrated version of the first novel. I wanted to get it when it came out but couldn't justify the money since I have all the novels already, but now I feel like reading them again so I may just order it soon. Anyone has it? Is it worth it?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 23, 2019, 09:01:05 PM: The crypts would be like a Trojan horse but without needing the horse. It's an awesome strategy. Also, if any part of the crypts are like catacombs, the bodies will be out and just lying on shelves. It'd be easy. I doubt everyone is in a stone sarcophagus.

Quote from: Progmetty on April 23, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
When did we ever see wights coming out of graves?

Never. But up until now, we've only scene the army north of the wall where all the dead are burned, not buried. I could be wrong, but didn't we see a bunch of the wights come up out of the snow in the finale of season 4? They could have been buried.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 24, 2019, 06:36:26 AM: I’m curious to see exactly ‘how’ the Night King army utilizes the crypts....I think we all can glean from the hints that something is going to happen down in them....what will it be?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 24, 2019, 06:48:26 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 24, 2019, 06:36:26 AM
I’m curious to see exactly ‘how’ the Night King army utilizes the crypts....I think we all can glean from the hints that something is going to happen down in them....what will it be?

Could they contain a backdoor into Winterfell like the one Tyrion had created in the sewers in King's Landing?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 24, 2019, 07:04:59 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 24, 2019, 06:48:26 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 24, 2019, 06:36:26 AM
I’m curious to see exactly ‘how’ the Night King army utilizes the crypts....I think we all can glean from the hints that something is going to happen down in them....what will it be?

Could they contain a backdoor into Winterfell like the one Tyrion had created in the sewers in King's Landing?

I was thinking that but honestly....does the Night King army need one? At Hardhimme those soldiers came down mountainsides, over and through that huge wall. I’m sure Winterfells defenses will hold some of them off for a while but there’s so many of them I don’t see it being and issue for them to penetrate Winterfell.

I think it’s going to be the dead being resurrected and used as soldiers. Just curious as to what extent and ‘how’ that happens.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2019, 07:50:18 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 23, 2019, 09:01:05 PM
The crypts would be like a Trojan horse but without needing the horse. It's an awesome strategy. Also, if any part of the crypts are like catacombs, the bodies will be out and just lying on shelves. It'd be easy. I doubt everyone is in a stone sarcophagus.

Quote from: Progmetty on April 23, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
When did we ever see wights coming out of graves?

Never. But up until now, we've only scene the army north of the wall where all the dead are burned, not buried. I could be wrong, but didn't we see a bunch of the wights come up out of the snow in the finale of season 4? They could have been buried.

Didn't a bunch come up to attack Bran at the tree thing? Maybe that's what you're referring to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 24, 2019, 08:04:41 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 23, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
I've heard some pretty dumb theories in my day, the worst being Tyrion is a Targaryan, but this whole crypt wights theory going around the internet takes the cake. When did we ever see wights coming out of graves? They've always been fresh kills, can you imagine how much bigger their army would be if the white walkers can reanimate everyone who's ever died?! God freakin God, I'm pretty sure the show won't do that, fuck I really hope they don't.
The only reason why I'm considering it is because the show has messed with logic to inject drama before. The reason why the theory was so proliferated was because people have been theorizing about the crypts for ages, and people have also been theorizing about the WWs connection to iron for ages, and someone noticed the dead Stark kings are buried with iron swords, and everyone's wheels just started turning when the teasers started coming with the scary crypt visions. Plus, Jon in the books has a scary crypt dream. I hope nothing's gonna happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 24, 2019, 08:31:10 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 24, 2019, 07:50:18 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 23, 2019, 09:01:05 PM
The crypts would be like a Trojan horse but without needing the horse. It's an awesome strategy. Also, if any part of the crypts are like catacombs, the bodies will be out and just lying on shelves. It'd be easy. I doubt everyone is in a stone sarcophagus.

Quote from: Progmetty on April 23, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
When did we ever see wights coming out of graves?

Never. But up until now, we've only scene the army north of the wall where all the dead are burned, not buried. I could be wrong, but didn't we see a bunch of the wights come up out of the snow in the finale of season 4? They could have been buried.

Didn't a bunch come up to attack Bran at the tree thing? Maybe that's what you're referring to.

Yeah. It's been a while since I saw that episode. Didn't they attack from underground? Or at least some of them anyway?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2019, 08:34:56 AM: Yea, I'm pretty sure skeletons rose from the snow to attack Bran and force him into the cave with the children of the forest. Remember the bones blasting when they attempted to follow but couldn't because of the magic of the cave? A quick google search didn't find a great pic but this gif seems to show just a skeleton:

(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/53a0af83b8c4d8fa7c000394/master/w_690,c_limit/wight-gif-3.gif)

As for Tyrion being a Targaryan theory, I think that one makes more sense in the book and has some legs to it being possible, but the show never really went into details about Tywin's relationship with the Mad King and how he slept with Tywin's wife. The dragon has three heads and Tyrions love for dragons when the story starts. None of it matters in the show and maybe not in the books, but that's not a far fetched theory IMO for book readers.

And we know there's a back door to the crpyts somewhere. Maester Lewin told Theon about it to get the Stark boys out of Winterfell after he said he killed them near the end of season 2. I don't know if anyone besides Bran and Theon know about this though, but that could be a way in for the wights or an escape route for the humans.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 24, 2019, 08:40:57 AM: On their way to the TER's weirwood tree-cave, yeah, there was one wight whose hands shot up from the snow and grabbed Jojen's legs, which turned into a scuffle with that merry group and the wight. The way his arm shoots up from the snow makes it look like the wight was coming up from underground, but there's not a whole lot of earth being shown so perhaps it was just a frozen corpse in some snow...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2019, 08:42:45 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 24, 2019, 08:40:57 AM
On their way to the TER's weirwood tree-cave, yeah, there was one wight whose hands shot up from the snow and grabbed Jojen's legs, which turned into a scuffle with that merry group and the wight. The way his arm shoots up from the snow makes it look like the wight was coming up from underground, but there's not a whole lot of earth being shown so perhaps it was just a frozen corpse in some snow...

Yea, I don't think it was breaking through stone, but to raise a frozen corpse under snow seems plausible. But those bodies were also pretty decomposed. Maybe we are just thinking too deeply here too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 24, 2019, 08:53:21 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 24, 2019, 08:42:45 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 24, 2019, 08:40:57 AM
On their way to the TER's weirwood tree-cave, yeah, there was one wight whose hands shot up from the snow and grabbed Jojen's legs, which turned into a scuffle with that merry group and the wight. The way his arm shoots up from the snow makes it look like the wight was coming up from underground, but there's not a whole lot of earth being shown so perhaps it was just a frozen corpse in some snow...

Yea, I don't think it was breaking through stone, but to raise a frozen corpse under snow seems plausible. But those bodies were also pretty decomposed. Maybe we are just thinking too deeply here too.

This is why I am going to miss this show so much. Sure, it's a great show in and of itself, but discussing it has become something I look forward to almost as much as watching it. When I was smoking up a meat storm last Saturday, one of my good buddies came over and it made for so much good conversation. Not just theories and future predictions, but reflections, and things we noticed. Talking about the world, and the map, and all the stuff we've seen along the way. It's almost more than a show at this point.

The worst part about this show ending isn't going to be show being over. It's going to be the end of this kind of weekly banter and speculation. r/freefolk on Reddit is going to become a ghost town in a matter of months. It's going to be sad.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 24, 2019, 08:56:35 AM: Totally agree, Chino... I went out to dinner with a friend last night and we spent the better part of 2 hours discussing Game of Thrones, the last couple episodes, and where it's heading. I'm really going to miss that. Good thing I have Westworld to sink my teeth into 100% after this is over.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on April 24, 2019, 10:10:15 AM: Question since my memory fails me... Did bran ever tell anyone that it was Jamie that pushed him out the window?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 24, 2019, 10:15:28 AM: Quote from: lonestar on April 24, 2019, 10:10:15 AM
Question since my memory fails me... Did bran ever tell anyone that it was Jamie that pushed him out the window?

Doesn't seem so, best indication being the scene between Jaime and Bran in the Godswood. Jaime asked about that, and Bran said something like, "You won't be of any use if my family kills you before the battle" or something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 24, 2019, 10:25:34 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 24, 2019, 10:15:28 AM
Quote from: lonestar on April 24, 2019, 10:10:15 AM
Question since my memory fails me... Did bran ever tell anyone that it was Jamie that pushed him out the window?

Doesn't seem so, best indication being the scene between Jaime and Bran in the Godswood. Jaime asked about that, and Bran said something like, "You won't be of any use if my family kills you before the battle" or something.
Indeed and I loved Jamie's answer of "What about after the battle?"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2019, 10:52:43 AM: How do you know?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on April 24, 2019, 09:59:19 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 24, 2019, 10:15:28 AM
Quote from: lonestar on April 24, 2019, 10:10:15 AM
Question since my memory fails me... Did bran ever tell anyone that it was Jamie that pushed him out the window?

Doesn't seem so, best indication being the scene between Jaime and Bran in the Godswood. Jaime asked about that, and Bran said something like, "You won't be of any use if my family kills you before the battle" or something.

Wonder if that's serving a higher purpose then, that Bran knows Jaime is crucial to the outcome against the dead army or something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 25, 2019, 03:34:06 AM: I guess it will be fun to look back on these two episodes and realize how much foreshadowing has been dropped.

Last episode basically we said "goodbye" to everyone, so it's difficult to figure out who lives and who dies. If, say, we'd get an episode of tension and political scheming and we'd see only the single scene of Grey Worm discussing a solo carrer with Melisandre, we'd kinda know he's marked for death, but everyone basically had their "last nice moment before dying" scene so we don't really know.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 25, 2019, 06:13:20 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 23, 2019, 05:21:01 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 22, 2019, 03:56:14 PM
We all know Starks are in stone down there, but are there other burials? I just wonder how much their truly is to the crypts. The Starks rising out of the stone seems unlikely to me, but we know they can be resurrected just as skeletons so the decomposing part doesn't seem to be an issue, it's just if they are together enough to form a body that can move I guess. If there's more burials down there not in stone, I don't see why those couldn't rise. If the Starks are stone mummies though, that will be really dumb IMO.

My thinking at this point, we know there's a hidden way in/out of Winterfell through the crypts and Theon knows this. I'm thinking it's more likely the escape route when Winterfell falls, than the choke point of death, although also a strong possibility. Theon maybe leading the way but staying back to by time as his final sacrifice seems possible. And I do think Winterfell falls and the survivors go off to Pyke to recover. Maybe Dragonstone, but I think the show has mentioned Pyke being safe a couple times.
The Starks are buried in stone - just the kings afaik, plus Lyanna. They were buried with iron swords, and we know in the books WWs and wights don't like iron, so maybe that's a mechanism to prevent dead Starks from rising. In the books Ned mentions that some of the iron swords have rusted away, so maybe that's a way for some of them to rise. The mythical guy who built the crypts is the same guy who built the Wall, so he knew about the threat of WWs, the question is whether the stone is enough to keep the dead from rising and the iron swords are added weapons for anyone who would want to retreat to the crypt and fight the enemy there, or if the swords are what would keep the dead inside.

This post must have subconsciously triggered a dream I had last night.

It was the very end of the series and the few remaining characters were making their last stand/were about to die in the iron throne room in King's Landing. Short on weapons, they literally ripped (unrealistic, I know) the iron throne apart and used the swords to eventually defeat the Night King. Once all was said and done, and the threat of winter was defeated, there was no more iron throne to fight for.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 25, 2019, 06:14:26 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 25, 2019, 03:34:06 AM
I guess it will be fun to look back on these two episodes and realize how much foreshadowing has been dropped.

Last episode basically we said "goodbye" to everyone, so it's difficult to figure out who lives and who dies. If, say, we'd get an episode of tension and political scheming and we'd see only the single scene of Grey Worm discussing a solo carrer with Melisandre, we'd kinda know he's marked for death, but everyone basically had their "last nice moment before dying" scene so we don't really know.

The only character that seem to be 100% safe in the next episode is Bronn.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 25, 2019, 06:48:19 AM: I wouldn't even say that, since he is coming north and carrying Joffrey's crossbow. My bet is Euron doesn't die :lol

But that's a cool idea of ripping the iron throne apart for the weapons. Maybe get a dragon to breath fire to the base to melt it so you could rip the swords out of it, would be really cool.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 25, 2019, 06:57:51 AM: What about the Night King defeats everyone, sees the throne, sits on it just for the hell of it and pinches himself inadvertently with a sword of valaryian steel, dying and killing every White Walker in the process?

:rollin

But seriously, maybe it's a bit too much clichè, but literally destroying the Iron Throne to have weapons is not such a bad idea.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 25, 2019, 08:58:33 AM: Saw this online pertaining to the song Poddrick sung.....would certainly fit the 'bittersweet' ending that Martin as eluded to??

(https://i.imgur.com/Rtu2WWM.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 25, 2019, 10:19:43 AM: That's basically how it happened for Robert Baratheon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Mladen on April 25, 2019, 10:48:26 AM: That would be truly fantastic.

I for one loved the second episode. I have a feeling it will go down in history as the most sentimental and touching episode of the series. It truly sends chills down the spine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on April 25, 2019, 03:26:07 PM: I am not feeling it thus far. A lot of characters kind feel off and have plot armor since the last two seasons. The more hollywood blockbuster feel of last season, with all character warping all around the world to serve the plot, wasn't a problem for me because it delivered on the blockbuster moments. Great action and setpieces. But thus far this season has been boring. Understandably due to the situation the character are in and the need to build up, but boring nonetheless. There were some great moments though. But those only paid off because of the excellent past seasons and not due to any interesting new developments or situations of this or last season. And to be honest, I am getting a bit tired of Dany and Cersei and also Jon to a lesser extent. A lot of the character now border on being a bit one note and there hasn't been a lot in terms of character development for most of them for a good while now. I do really like Jaime's story though.

But shit is going down this week, so at least I expect a really entertaining/emotional episode. I expect quite a few characters to bite the dust.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 26, 2019, 03:47:44 PM: Quote from: Chino on April 24, 2019, 08:53:21 AM
This is why I am going to miss this show so much. Sure, it's a great show in and of itself, but discussing it has become something I look forward to almost as much as watching it. When I was smoking up a meat storm last Saturday, one of my good buddies came over and it made for so much good conversation. Not just theories and future predictions, but reflections, and things we noticed. Talking about the world, and the map, and all the stuff we've seen along the way. It's almost more than a show at this point.

The worst part about this show ending isn't going to be show being over. It's going to be the end of this kind of weekly banter and speculation. r/freefolk on Reddit is going to become a ghost town in a matter of months. It's going to be sad.
I hear ya. The day I gathered with my friend group to watch the entire first season together (we were all ASOIAF freaks) was one of the most beautiful days of my life. I drifted in and out of the show along the way but this fandom has meant so much to me.

But, speculation isn't nearly over for me after the show dies! Then begins the race of the ultimate anticipation - will GRRM finish the sixth book at all or not? :lol how different will it be from the show? Then, if he finishes it, we will speculate about how the seventh book is gonna go down, and if he will finish that one! This ride will last us like 10 more years :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2019, 06:09:27 PM: I definitely have plenty of my own personal memories watching this show including watching the whole series last year with my gf to catch her up (which maybe was my favorite of my many viewings of the show) but I think I've lost interest in the books. I've lost hope and I kind of don't care anymore. There's no way he finishes the books at this point IMO and while he could finish the next one and maybe one more in his life, since the story likely won't end in his books and the story is so deep at this point, I just don't see myself being hyped unless there was a plan to end the books. I'm starting to feel like although GRRM isn't involved with the show anymore, this was necessary to have any sort of ending for the fans since we likely aren't getting one from GRRM. I've become such a pessimist with regards to the books and I read them after he already finished them all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 26, 2019, 08:08:52 PM: Quote from: Chino on April 24, 2019, 08:53:21 AM
This is why I am going to miss this show so much. Sure, it's a great show in and of itself, but discussing it has become something I look forward to almost as much as watching it. When I was smoking up a meat storm last Saturday, one of my good buddies came over and it made for so much good conversation. Not just theories and future predictions, but reflections, and things we noticed. Talking about the world, and the map, and all the stuff we've seen along the way. It's almost more than a show at this point.

The worst part about this show ending isn't going to be show being over. It's going to be the end of this kind of weekly banter and speculation. r/freefolk on Reddit is going to become a ghost town in a matter of months. It's going to be sad.

Oddly enough I don't feel the same way. I think it's because I'm anticipating the spin-offs being similarly intriguing, that's too optimistic though.
I love Naomi Watts and she's gonna be the lead in the spin-off about the long night, pretty excited about that.

I wish they'd make a one-off HBO movie about Robert's Rebellion, I understand it's not on the table as a spin-off because people know everything there is to know about it but a TV movie would be a wonderful way to do it, I'd definitely see it! Especially if they use the amazing actors who played young Ned Stark and Arthur Dayne, they totally nailed it for their brief appearances. Even the glimpse we got of Rhaegar Targaryan was played by an actor who fit exactly my imagination of what Rhaegar looked like.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 27, 2019, 01:49:41 AM: I understand the story has been told, but hey, basically all the backstory of Westeros has been told so unless they come up with original ideas, people will already know the details.

I'm all for a prequel about Robert's Rebellion and I think it would connect direcrly into the events of Game of Thrones - forgetting for a moment that there was an actual book about it, the prequel for Lord of the Rings was The Hobbit, which had Bilbo and Gandalf in it and other characters people knew, it was not a random story from the Silmarillion.

About the books... gut feeling is that, in 2-3 years, we will eventually get The Winds of Winter. A Dream of Spring is unlikely to ever be finished.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 27, 2019, 03:28:13 PM: If the books really are as expansive as everyone says, and have that many subplots that have to be tied up, I can totally see A Dream of Spring being GRRM's own "A Memory of Light" - in other words, A Dream of Spring being split up into multiple books. I recall reading that GRRM said WoW and ADoS would be 1500+ pages each and that was years ago, and he won't force an arbitrary number of books, so we could get even more. Hopefully in his lifetime. Would never wish anything bad upon the man but he ain't a spring chicken.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 27, 2019, 04:56:19 PM: Oh, another random thought - we know and the characters know that you have to burn the dead.

What if the battle for Winterfell is lost and they make the difficult yet rational decision to burn said dead... by deliberately torching Winterfell to the ground? either by setting it on fire or having Drogon taking care of it.

The secret passages out of Winterfell have been mentioned and so the Iron Islands being a fallback option in case things go wrong, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibilites that even if some of the heroes and most of the very main characters survive, they lose the battle, and so if they decide to run to fight another day, the wisest thing to do would be leaving less new recruits possible for the Night King.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 27, 2019, 05:30:06 PM: That's a very interesting idea, MM. It would be awesome/tragic/awesome if Winterfell had to be burned as a last ditch effort.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2019, 10:11:05 PM: I was thinking earlier today that not only are we gonna lose some main characters tomorrow, but in the coming weeks they may be fighting for the other side. How does Arya battling undead little Lyanna Mormont sound? Or Jamie having to kill undead Brienne of Tarth. The mind boggles.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 28, 2019, 03:47:47 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 26, 2019, 08:08:52 PM
I wish they'd make a one-off HBO movie about Robert's Rebellion, I understand it's not on the table as a spin-off because people know everything there is to know about it but a TV movie would be a wonderful way to do it, I'd definitely see it! Especially if they use the amazing actors who played young Ned Stark and Arthur Dayne, they totally nailed it for their brief appearances. Even the glimpse we got of Rhaegar Targaryan was played by an actor who fit exactly my imagination of what Rhaegar looked like.
I wouldn't mind a spinoff like that. GRRM said we would solve every mystery about Robert's Rebellion and the tournament by the end of the book, but there's no new books as of now, and loads of mysteries. Was Lyanna Stark the Knight of the Laughing Tree? How did they fall in love, and did they, or was it all for the prophecy? Was The Mountain explicitly ordered to brutalize the Targ kids and rape Elia? What do the Daynes know? Did Ashara hook up with one of the Starks? What does Howland Reed know? It would be so cool if we got the story of all of that. Even if we knew everything, I'd still pay good money to see Jaime killing the Mad King and Robert swinging a hammer around.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2019, 04:43:52 PM: Got my errands and chores done, got my stein and libations ready... GO HUMANS!! :2metal:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 28, 2019, 05:30:06 PM: #TeamNightKing

I still think there's about a 15% chance of us not get the full battle tonight. I feel like Cersei's story needs to progress more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 05:32:26 PM: I doubt we'll even get a knight king appearance in this episode, huge battle or not.

I'd like to see Bronn show up, see the battle from a distance and peace out.

Also I hope this episode is not as dark as the preview for it. God damn.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 28, 2019, 08:22:37 PM: That episode was not was I expecting.

I kind of think I didn't like it. I need to let it marinade a bit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:29:45 PM: .......woah.

Also not what I expected. Two REALLY dumb things happened, but I think I can forgive them based on how everything else happened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 28, 2019, 08:31:06 PM: ARYA YOU BEAUTIFUL MONSTER!!
I was so bummed out when they decided to do crypt zombies hehe, but everything else more than made up for it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:32:38 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 28, 2019, 08:31:06 PM
ARYA YOU BEAUTIFUL MONSTER!!
I was so bummed out when they decided to do crypt zombies hehe, but everything else more than made up for it.

Yea, that's where I am. Still hold that crypt zombies were an example of VERY dumb writing, but it didn't ruin the episode for me. Dany just hanging out while Drogon gets attacked was also very dumb. Again, didn't ruin it for me though.

Also, by the look of next episode, looks like Drogon survived? I'm pretty sure I saw two dragons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2019, 08:36:26 PM: Wow was NOT expecting it to end that way!
I'm still reeling. RIP to the lost characters.

Dang I need to process that whole episode. Couldn't see shit for the first half.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: masterthes on April 28, 2019, 08:37:38 PM: Yeah, miraculously Drogon is still alive. So proud of Arya, the savior of Winterfell. I would like to have think that Bran would have done something, but chances are he knew what was going to happen
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: chknptpie on April 28, 2019, 08:38:58 PM: I need a living/dead list lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:40:05 PM: Few very quick thoughts that I assume not everyone is going to say, so I'll skip the obvious ones that will be said a bunch soon.

1) I still hold that crypt zombies was stupid. The sad part, however, is that it also served no real purpose. They could have not done that and it would not have changed a single thing about the episode. Shame.
2) I have no idea why, but for some reason, during the super slow motion (like wayyyyy too slow motion) approach of Night King to Bran, a weird part of me half expected Bran to say something like "Hello...(insert dude's real name here)" and have that be some weird plot twist. Happy to see Arya do a crazy ninja assassination instead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2019, 08:43:54 PM: Wasn't the dragon at the end with Dany Drogon? Or was it Rhaegal, couldn't see for shit sometimes. Also that Dragon battle was just ridiculous. There are a few things that were just kinda eh. but I think almost everything else made up for it, way too many amazing things.

The night king not flinching when Dany said Dracarys. Arya was a total badass this whole episode and I did not see that last scene coming. We have 3 more episodes of regular GOT stuff remaining and I'm loving the fact that now the ending will be focused on Cersei vs everyone else. No more white walker disturbances.

Wish we knew what happened to Ghost, my guess is he's gone. So many undead returns!

when the Night king raised all those dead, goosebumps!The dead rising in the crypts gave me a oh shit moment!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:47:48 PM: Quote from: chknptpie on April 28, 2019, 08:38:58 PM
I need a living/dead list lol

One of those lists will be very long. One will be very short.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on April 28, 2019, 08:51:54 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:40:05 PM
Few very quick thoughts that I assume not everyone is going to say, so I'll skip the obvious ones that will be said a bunch soon.

1) I still hold that crypt zombies was stupid. The sad part, however, is that it also served no real purpose. They could have not done that and it would not have changed a single thing about the episode. Shame.
2) I have no idea why, but for some reason, during the super slow motion (like wayyyyy too slow motion) approach of Night King to Bran, a weird part of me half expected Bran to say something like "Hello...(insert dude's real name here)" and have that be some weird plot twist. Happy to see Arya do a crazy ninja assassination instead.

So the night king is supposed to be discriminate in who he resurrects? Only the dead above ground, but not those already interred? Made perfect sense to me that if he raises the dead, he will raise ALL the dead, not just the ones that are only recently dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:55:09 PM: That's not what I meant.

As soon as they said to send people to the crypts, I think EVERY fan of this show predicted that they would raise those dead. We had lengthy discussions about it in this thread.

The main characters in the show know everything we know. What's dumb isn't that he raised crypt zombies. It's that no one in the show predicted it. It's lazy writing. Sorry.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2019, 09:12:24 PM: The crypts idea didn't bother me as much. I'm very curious about what Bran's warging. I'm going to assume they will touch on it next episode. I didn't expect they would resolve the Night Kings arc that soon. I'm kinda glad they did, I was semi expecting him to take over Westeros.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 09:14:13 PM: Quote from: faizoff on April 28, 2019, 09:12:24 PM
The crypts idea didn't bother me as much. I'm very curious about what Bran's warging. I'm going to assume they will touch on it next episode. I didn't expect they would resolve the Night Kings arc that soon. I'm kinda glad they did, I was semi expecting him to take over Westeros.

Yea, like I said, it didn't ruin the episode for me. Not at all. But I can enjoy the episode and still call out what I consider bad writing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2019, 09:23:39 PM: Yeah there are definitely things that could've been done a lot tighter, I think the Dothraki blindly running in the dark was kinda head scratching even though it looked fucking amazing.

The lord of light did lighten the screen with her fires, she should've brightened the TV screens too lol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2019, 09:28:30 PM: Haven't read anyone's thoughts yet... had a couple buddies over so I wasn't able to fully concentrate the way I usually do. But I thought that was absolutely incredible. One of the best episodes ever. On the edge of my seat the whole time.

I don't think the Night King is gone for good. No way... that death was amazing, but I don't think he's out, somehow. That's too easy.

What an awesome f'ing episode... wow wow wow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2019, 09:30:42 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:55:09 PM
The main characters in the show know everything we know. What's dumb isn't that he raised crypt zombies. It's that no one in the show predicted it. It's lazy writing. Sorry.

Well, where else are they supposed to go? There literally isn't anywhere to go, and if there ARE secret paths for them to take, they clearly aren't aware of them. Doesn't sound like lazy writing to me, it sounds like helpless citizens trapped in the crypts as a last ditch effort for safety with no knowledge of anywhere else to go. Just my two cents
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 09:32:21 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 28, 2019, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:55:09 PM
The main characters in the show know everything we know. What's dumb isn't that he raised crypt zombies. It's that no one in the show predicted it. It's lazy writing. Sorry.

Well, where else are they supposed to go? There literally isn't anywhere to go, and if there ARE secret paths for them to take, they clearly aren't aware of them. Doesn't sound like lazy writing to me, it sounds like helpless citizens trapped in the crypts as a last ditch effort for safety with no knowledge of anywhere else to go. Just my two cents

Defend it all you want dude. It's lazy writing that nobody in the show even thought of it. Put 4-5 armed soldiers down there. Give everyone a god damn knife. No one had weapons except for Sansa.

I know you liked the episode, I did too, but it doesn't have to be perfect. It's okay to recognize flaws in things you like.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2019, 09:36:16 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 28, 2019, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 28, 2019, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:55:09 PM
The main characters in the show know everything we know. What's dumb isn't that he raised crypt zombies. It's that no one in the show predicted it. It's lazy writing. Sorry.

Well, where else are they supposed to go? There literally isn't anywhere to go, and if there ARE secret paths for them to take, they clearly aren't aware of them. Doesn't sound like lazy writing to me, it sounds like helpless citizens trapped in the crypts as a last ditch effort for safety with no knowledge of anywhere else to go. Just my two cents

Defend it all you want dude. It's lazy writing that nobody in the show even thought of it. Put 4-5 armed soldiers down there. Give everyone a god damn knife. No one had weapons except for Sansa.

I know you liked the episode, I did too, but it doesn't have to be perfect. It's okay to recognize flaws in things you like.

Chill... I don't defend everything 100%... but again, where were they supposed to go? You think Sansa has any capacity for combat? They needed every able body out there on the field. I never said it was perfect.. ease up. Literally all I'm saying is that I don't think it's "lazy writing" but you can have your opinion just as well as I can have mine
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 09:40:21 PM: It's all good man.

I'm going to call it lazy writing. That we all knew something would happen and no one in the show did, when we all had the same info. It didn't ruin much for me, so I don't care in the end.

I just see, more and more, people liking things a whole lot and deciding that it was flawless and going into major defensive mode to make sure it was perfect, as if imperfection couldn't be enjoyed.

If it didn't bother you, cool. I am not saying it should have. I honestly thought it would ruin the episode for me, since we all saw it coming, but in the end it didn't at all. But even if it didn't bother me much, I just can't see it as anything other than lazy writing. Like I said, it's just the fact that no character predicted what every fan did. It's not about the logic of putting them down there, or the logic of the Night King raising the dead, etc. Just the stupidity of the characters to not see it coming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2019, 09:41:47 PM: I mean... stupidity is human. I think that's perfectly in line with what the show is, that's partially why I'm not so critical about it... anyway, is Rhaegal dead?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2019, 09:43:17 PM: Jorah's death absolutely gutted me. :( :(

Glad to see the Night King go down, as the whole raising the dead thing was never one of the more interesting things about the show. Will be interesting to see how the North and their depleted man power strategizes in going against the south.

And Arya...always the bad ass. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 09:45:04 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 28, 2019, 09:43:17 PM
Jorah's death absolutely gutted me. :( :(

Glad to see the Night King go down, as the whole raising the dead thing was never one of the more interesting things about the show. Will be interesting to see how the North and their depleted man power strategizes in going against the south.

And Arya...always the bad ass. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Totally agree. As soon as we saw Night King I realized that they had to wrap up their story this episode. Glad they did, and they did it brilliantly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2019, 09:50:21 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 28, 2019, 09:45:04 PM

Totally agree. As soon as we saw Night King I realized that they had to wrap up their story this episode. Glad they did, and they did it brilliantly.

For sure. I could quibble about the many close calls some of the main characters go out of - how in the hell did Jon Snow survive being surrounded by so many raised undead when he went to attack the Night King? - but it's fiction, so I will let it slide.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on April 28, 2019, 10:07:52 PM: Lyanna Mormont, that giant did not stand a chance.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2019, 10:11:43 PM: Quote from: Progmetty on April 28, 2019, 10:07:52 PM
Lyanna Mormont, that giant did not stand a chance.

I'm so glad they gave her the most epic death of the series, she deserved it.

And Arya......I went from fucking gutted to full on screaming for joy in the time it took her to drop that knife. God what a fantastic episode!!!!

As to the rest, I'm sure I'll need to watch it at least two more times to fully process it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2019, 10:15:53 PM: Kinda glad Lyanna bit the bullet honestly. Feels like they've been leaning into the fanservice hard with her. Yeah she's got a mouth on her but I feel like any of the old northern lords would've told her to shut up and sit down by now at least once. But that was a brutal death. RIP.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2019, 10:23:08 PM: I just read/remembered that Bran had given that dagger to Arya last season. That whole ending sequence was breathtaking and the music along with it just had me on the edge.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 28, 2019, 10:59:31 PM: This was just a huge episode, there was so much that was great in it, a couple of things that I could quibble with, mostly though it's a feeling of it being quite hard to process and take in everything that happened and the part of the story that's ended.

I was pretty split before the episode about whether they'd deal with the White Walker threat here or not. But when it was clear the army of the dead wasn't being stopped and other way (and I think it was done brilliantly) I knew that they had to kill the Night King by the end of the episode... Unless the second half of the season was genuinely going to be about the Night King winning and finishing off the rest of Westeros with most of the main characters gone. The Night King's walk to meet Bran and the score were brilliant... And Melisandre in this episode was fantastic - it was speculated she might arrive but I genuinely thought she might only show up in the south.

Rather than spreading the action and death of the Long Night through different parts of a season, the show went for containing it within one episode but then pushing the death and horror to the absolute limit within that one episode. I think it'll be a divisive choice, I can already see people online complaining that the White Walkers were defeated so easily after seasons of buildup, but I think that's partly because it's hard for some to realise that this was the climactic battle of the White Walker storyline because it was the first battle of the season. But ultimately I think that even though it was in some sense short (only three episodes since they broke through the Wall), I think that this one episode did deliver what was basically the entirety of the Battle for the Dawn.

Maybe we could have seen or somehow understood (perhaps some sort of vision sequence) something more between Bran and the Night King, but personally I still felt it was a satisfying conclusion. I think the reality that basically everything related to the White Walkers was going to be unspoken and only understood through actions and visuals means that those who want (or think that they want - I believe that people in general are notoriously bad at being able to tell what they actually want out of any story) to get a huge infodump that "explains" the White Walkers better than we already understood then (ideally one that validates their pet fan theory) were going to be sorely disappointed.

The Night King was the big villain of the high fantasy part of this story, a being that was created as a weapon against humanity and life in general, a personification of the supernatural forces of winter and night within the world of ASOIAF. He and the White Walkers were intelligent and strategic, they were certainly not mindless, and some complexity was implied by their actions and the symbolism associated with them, but ultimately though it came from an alien and inhuman mindset, their motivation was utterly hostile to life and light. That makes them simple villains in a way, but honestly while I like the extra depth and complexity implied by the White Walker's actions I was never moved by any theory of them actually having more human motivations or that his was all just some big misunderstanding that could be cleared up. They were a force of darkness straight out of high fantasy, and this episode was the climactic confrontation with that force, and I think it execute the climax of that dark high fantasy story excellently.

Oh, and we still have about 3 hours (or more) to go. In a way it's hard to imagine. There is a fairly simple conflict between Cersei and the survivors of Winterfell still to come but I think the real meat of the season will be the slightly more complex conflicts between the surviving characters of the show, and how they deal with each other now that the apocalyptic threat appears to be over and with the backdrop of a battle for King's Landing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on April 29, 2019, 05:12:35 AM: Quote from: masterthes on April 28, 2019, 08:37:38 PM
Yeah, miraculously Drogon is still alive. So proud of Arya, the savior of Winterfell. I would like to have think that Bran would have done something, but chances are he knew what was going to happen

I actually thought he was going to do something at the end. I didn't expect Arya to show up.

I personally loved the episode, I thought it was filmed incredibly as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 29, 2019, 05:50:35 AM: That was not how I was expecting the episode to end. So what, the whole winter threat is over now? Does that mean the last 3 episodes are all focused on the politics / war for the throne etc? That's pretty surprising if so.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 29, 2019, 05:50:49 AM: Main criticism, It was hard to see what was going on in parts from being too dark.

Besides that It was decent. So glad the Night king is dead and we can go back to the Human on human war/politics dynamic to end the show out. I enjoyed the dead stuff for the most part, but I loved the show way more before it started to take center stage.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 05:57:03 AM: I'm not good at writing long winded reviews on stuff, so per usual, I will bullet point my thoughts.

- This episode was okay. I'd give it a 6/10. It felt too Hollywood for me. I feel kind of robbed.

- Way to go Theon

- The Dothroki having all their swords ignite was really cool, and to see them get wiped out in all of 30 seconds was pretty wild.

- I've been calling the crypts thing for like 3 seasons now, but I think they blew the opportunity. What came of it? Just some mayhem for the screen? I suspect at the very least Sam will learn that either Gilly or Little Sam is dead.

- Lady Mormont's death was fucking badass

- It was cool seeing Dany finally pick up a weapon other than her Dragon

- Where's Tormund?

- What was the point of Bran warging into those ravens?

- The Hound wimping out felt out of place too. Didn't seem like him at all.

- I had all the lights in my house off and the brightness on my TV cranked up, and I still couldn't see half the stuff going on. The camera cuts were so rapid, I couldn't tell who was who half the time. The whole pacing of the episode felt very off.

- Where the hell did Arya come from? The Night King was in the middle of the courtyard and she somehow made it over his posse to deliver the final blow? Was she hiding in the tree or something? Speaking of Arya, that stealth scene in the library or whatever it was felt kind of out of place for some reason. Was there a point to that other than to show off her ninja skills?

- So. Much. Plot. Armor. Holy shit. I'm almost disappointed with how few characters died. Not necessarily because they didn't die, but because of the set ups. I swear I saw BoT die on like 3 different occasions. Same with Grey Worm. Jaime, Brienne, and Pod all made it out alive after being pinned against a wall for like 20 minutes, yet the Dothroki got smothered in seconds? Jon somehow making it out when surrounded by like 1000 walkers. Dany not being able to get her dragon off the ground despite Jon's being able to brawl with the NK mid-flight? Sam spent half the episode on the ground and he still managed to make it out. Thousands of people died and somehow like 85% of the main characters got out with all their limbs. I'm sorry, but that's more fan fiction and Hollywood than what I've come to expect from this show.

- What was the point of Season 7 now? So much of that season was spent on going beyond the wall to get a dead guy to convince Cersei to fight with the North because they wouldn't win the battle otherwise. Yet here we are.

Prediction: The Night King isn't dead. He's been built up this entire time, for years. I refuse to believe that that's how he goes out.
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Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 06:11:07 AM: Duplicate post.
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Post by: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 06:13:00 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 05:57:03 AM

- What was the point of Season 7 now? So much of that season was spent on going beyond the wall to get a dead guy to convince Cersei to fight with the North because they wouldn't win the battle otherwise. Yet here we are.

They barely won, by a fraction of a second. If Arya hadn't gotten to the Night King when she did, Jon would have faced down a dragon on his own and died, and Jorah would have died and left Dany surrounded by wights and alone, surely losing her as well. Bran would be death and Winterfell would have been overcome in seconds.

Despite such few big deaths (five by my count - Jorah, Theon, Beric, Edd, Melisandre - though this is more big name characters to die in one episode than The Red Wedding), this wasn't an easy win for the north. If they had the Lannister army, they wouldn't have won by the skin of their teeth and would have had a better chance from the start. They tried to get Cersei to believe them and she said no. They had to fight the Night King on their own. Pure strategy on Cersei's part - let them get decimated and then their weaker army will be easier to fight for the throne.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 29, 2019, 06:14:39 AM: I enjoyed the episode but I did not love it, and it might be my least favorite "battle episode" of the series. I wish I could explain exactly why, but I'm just going to be honest and say that something about it did not connect with me as deeply as expected. However, I am looking very forward to next week, which will presumably be another setup episode before the big battle at King's Landing.
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Post by: ariich on April 29, 2019, 06:17:33 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 05:57:03 AM
- The Hound wimping out felt out of place too. Didn't seem like him at all.
The Hound has a serious paralysing fear of fire because what his brother did to his face, so actually I thought that was a good scene. I agree with many of your other criticisms though.

I can't commit to an opinion yet because we have three episodes to go. But if that really is the end of the night king/wights/winter is coming story then it will have been seriously disappointing, much as the episode was extremely entertaining and tense to watch (the bits I could see anyway).
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Post by: ariich on April 29, 2019, 06:23:35 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on April 29, 2019, 05:50:49 AM
Besides that It was decent. So glad the Night king is dead and we can go back to the Human on human war/politics dynamic to end the show out. I enjoyed the dead stuff for the most part, but I loved the show way more before it started to take center stage.
While the human politics side of the show has always been more engaging, I've always found it particularly exciting because of the threat in the background, and the idea that petty human squabbles over who rules is meaningless when bigger issues (like climate change) are going on. If this really is the end of the undead stuff and it turns out after 7.5 seasons that those "bigger issues" could actually be defeated with one big battle where very few main characters died, and the rest of the show will just be about who rules as though that's the most important thing, then that will be extremely meh for me because it goes against one of the key themes of the story.
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Post by: Bolsters on April 29, 2019, 06:28:15 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 05:57:03 AM
Prediction: The Night King isn't dead. He's been built up this entire time, for years. I refuse to believe that that's how he goes out.
Nah, I think D&D thought they would wrap it all up in a satisfying way (and despite seeing some disgruntlement, including my own, most people seem to be lapping this episode up 100%) and then shift focus. They've been sidelining and/or fucking up characters/plots for a couple of seasons now to rush us to whatever the ending is going to be, the army of the dead and The Night King clearly must not have a part in that ending, so now they're just...gone.

I guess anyone who wanted to know more about the White Walkers will have to just wait for the prequel series they're making about The Long Night. ::) A conflict against the White Walkers that lasted "a generation" and didn't even result in The Night King being destroyed. They must have been some shit fighters if they couldn't get it done in a single battle like this lot did.
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Post by: Podaar on April 29, 2019, 06:44:21 AM: If that episode would have ended with the Night King and Bran staring at each other, it would have gone down as the single worst episode of GoT... to me anyway.

Completely redeemed by 10 seconds of psycho ninja Arya! In fact, they could have easily edited 45 minutes out of this show and primarily stuck with Arya's experience in the battle and I would have been happy. She showed tension and fear of the unknown while waiting and watching from the wall. She went all superhero when the wights finally got to the wall (as Davos witnessed). Then she became truly scared for her life when they started to overrun her, finally fleeing for her life and hiding in the library. Loved the library rescue, Dondarrion's death scene (he done what he came back to do), and (of course) Arya facing her fear and doing what no one else was capable of.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 06:54:22 AM: I think the Weirwood trees still hold the NK's secrets. He's too smart to have been defeated so quickly, so easily. Bran's story can't be over that way either. Calling it again... Night King will return.
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Post by: v_clortho on April 29, 2019, 06:58:14 AM: When the Night King was approaching Bran my wife says "Is he going to kneel to Bran?" It looked for a minute that that might happen. I'm kind of wishing that had happened. How messed up would that have been?

Anyway, good episode. Jon, Brienne, and Jaime at the least should be dead. Lady Mormont killing the giant was pretty cool.
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:03:57 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 06:54:22 AM
I think the Weirwood trees still hold the NK's secrets. He's too smart to have been defeated so quickly, so easily. Bran's story can't be over that way either. Calling it again... Night King will return.

I dunno. Dude literally shattered into pieces. This isn't terminator 2. I don't think he's going to melt back together.
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Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:04:59 AM: Question. What was the purpose of/Who were the White Walkers?
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:06:35 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:04:59 AM
Question. What was the purpose of/Who were the White Walkers?

Haven't read the books, so I can only answer this as someone who watched the show.

Originally? A metaphor for a global threat that goes beyond our petty squabbles?
In the end? Bunch of zombies to fight so people can enjoy battle episodes.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:09:01 AM: I'm so let down. They did all the stupidest things I thought they wouldn't do (plot armor, finishing off the Night King without explaining anything, Arya being in her own little Assassin's Creed movie, crypt zombies literally bursting through stone), and then you watch Behind the Episode and find out that they made these plot points because they thought it would be cool. D&D say "well, we know he has to be undone by a Valyrian steel blade in the same space he was made" - why Valyrian steel? if Valyrian steel is important, why can't dragon fire hurt him? why in that location? why don't we find out anything about him? why the stupid Melisandre prophecy? if the Lord of Light is real and she did have a mission and prophecies were important, why shelve the words Azor Ahai and not mention them even once? etc

Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:04:59 AM
Question. What was the purpose of/Who were the White Walkers?
We don't know, they're saving it for the prequel show most likely. The previous show explanation was that they were a Children of the Forest weapon meant to kill humans gone rogue, and I thought maybe through Bran we would find out a little more about why that happened, and why they started moving south when they did. Instead, the show had to say that they have a target to kill and the target is the Three-Eyed Raven because he holds the memories of the world??? what??? why not kill Bloodraven before, then? Why start moving 20 years before Bran was even born, the apparent next destined Three-Eyed Raven?

Just... stupid.
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:12:45 AM: Who's D&D? Sorry for my ignorance.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 07:13:04 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:03:57 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 06:54:22 AM
I think the Weirwood trees still hold the NK's secrets. He's too smart to have been defeated so quickly, so easily. Bran's story can't be over that way either. Calling it again... Night King will return.

I dunno. Dude literally shattered into pieces. This isn't terminator 2. I don't think he's going to melt back together.

Didn't say he was... just being optimistic... guy withstood a 10-second onslaught of dragonfire but he's going to go out that fast with no resolution to Bran's arc, the Weirwood net, nothing? My opinion on this climax will tank in retrospect if they don't bring him back somehow, some way. It just doesn't make sense for him to go out like that, in that way, with that little resolution... to me. There's something more going on surely. I think all the complaints about how the episode sucked or the writing was bad (with respect to NK) etc. might be assuaged this way in hindsight once it's all over, but if not... yeah
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:14:30 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:12:45 AM
Who's D&D? Sorry for my ignorance.
It's DB Weiss and David Benioff, the showmakers.
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Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:17:29 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:06:35 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:04:59 AM
Question. What was the purpose of/Who were the White Walkers?

Haven't read the books, so I can only answer this as someone who watched the show.

Originally? A metaphor for a global threat that goes beyond our petty squabbles?
In the end? Bunch of zombies to fight so people can enjoy battle episodes.

The Zombies are the Wights. I get their purpose. I'm wondering about the White Walkers. These fellas:

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/tv/2019/02/12/TELEMMGLPICT000099221572_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqNJjoeBT78QIaYdkJdEY4CnGTJFJS74MYhNY6w3GNbO8.jpeg?imwidth=1240)
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Post by: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 07:18:13 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:09:01 AM
I'm so let down. They did all the stupidest things I thought they wouldn't do (plot armor, finishing off the Night King without explaining anything, Arya being in her own little Assassin's Creed movie, crypt zombies literally bursting through stone), and then you watch Behind the Episode and find out that they made these plot points because they thought it would be cool. D&D say "well, we know he has to be undone by a Valyrian steel blade in the same space he was made" - why Valyrian steel? if Valyrian steel is important, why can't dragon fire hurt him? why in that location? why don't we find out anything about him? why the stupid Melisandre prophecy? if the Lord of Light is real and she did have a mission and prophecies were important, why shelve the words Azor Ahai and not mention them even once? etc

Valyrian steel can kill a white walker - Jon cut one down at Hardhorne with Longclaw. So we've seen that valyrian steel can kill a white walker. We saw that dragon fire has no effect. It's not hard to piece it together that the only thing that can kill them is a valyrian steel blade. As to the comment about the same location, I doubt Arya had any knowledge of that - she just stabbed him. I think the Beinoff & Weiss just wanted that synchronicity. The Night King was created by being stabbed in one spot and he was killed by being stabbed in the same spot.
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:18:42 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:14:30 AM
Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:12:45 AM
Who's D&D? Sorry for my ignorance.
It's DB Weiss and David Benioff, the showmakers.

Gotcha. I didn't know their first names haha, always heard them referred to as Weiss and Benioff.

Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 07:13:04 AM
Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:03:57 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 06:54:22 AM
I think the Weirwood trees still hold the NK's secrets. He's too smart to have been defeated so quickly, so easily. Bran's story can't be over that way either. Calling it again... Night King will return.

I dunno. Dude literally shattered into pieces. This isn't terminator 2. I don't think he's going to melt back together.

Didn't say he was... just being optimistic... guy withstood a 10-second onslaught of dragonfire but he's going to go out that fast with no resolution to Bran's arc, the Weirwood net, nothing? My opinion on this climax will tank in retrospect if they don't bring him back somehow, some way. It just doesn't make sense for him to go out like that, in that way, with that little resolution... to me. There's something more going on surely. I think all the complaints about how the episode sucked or the writing was bad (with respect to NK) etc. might be assuaged this way in hindsight once it's all over, but if not... yeah

I had a lot of problems with this episode (still enjoyed it) and that list is growing, but the Night King dying is not one of them. Happy to see him gone at this point. I can't relate or invest anything in a character like that. He's, at least as far as the show goes, just a plot device. A bad guy for the sake of being a bad guy. He was cool as a distant threat. When he became the real threat, I lost a lot of interest in him. So him dying in a cool over the top Hollywood way is fine by my. I honestly don't expect much more of the show at this point (I would have back in seasons 1-4 for sure).
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:19:49 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:17:29 AM
Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:06:35 AM
Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:04:59 AM
Question. What was the purpose of/Who were the White Walkers?

Haven't read the books, so I can only answer this as someone who watched the show.

Originally? A metaphor for a global threat that goes beyond our petty squabbles?
In the end? Bunch of zombies to fight so people can enjoy battle episodes.

The Zombies are the Wights. I get their purpose. I'm wonder about the White Walkers. These fellas:

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/tv/2019/02/12/TELEMMGLPICT000099221572_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqNJjoeBT78QIaYdkJdEY4CnGTJFJS74MYhNY6w3GNbO8.jpeg?imwidth=1240)

Oh I know. Zombie is my shorthand. My answer was about them as a collective whole.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 07:22:32 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:18:42 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 07:13:04 AM
Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:03:57 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 06:54:22 AM
I think the Weirwood trees still hold the NK's secrets. He's too smart to have been defeated so quickly, so easily. Bran's story can't be over that way either. Calling it again... Night King will return.

I dunno. Dude literally shattered into pieces. This isn't terminator 2. I don't think he's going to melt back together.

Didn't say he was... just being optimistic... guy withstood a 10-second onslaught of dragonfire but he's going to go out that fast with no resolution to Bran's arc, the Weirwood net, nothing? My opinion on this climax will tank in retrospect if they don't bring him back somehow, some way. It just doesn't make sense for him to go out like that, in that way, with that little resolution... to me. There's something more going on surely. I think all the complaints about how the episode sucked or the writing was bad (with respect to NK) etc. might be assuaged this way in hindsight once it's all over, but if not... yeah

I had a lot of problems with this episode (still enjoyed it) and that list is growing, but the Night King dying is not one of them. Happy to see him gone at this point. I can't relate or invest anything in a character like that. He's, at least as far as the show goes, just a plot device. A bad guy for the sake of being a bad guy. He was cool as a distant threat. When he became the real threat, I lost a lot of interest in him. So him dying in a cool over the top Hollywood way is fine by my. I honestly don't expect much more of the show at this point (I would have back in seasons 1-4 for sure).

You and I have such opposite opinions on this, it's funny. I am playing the optimist, you not so much :)

Looking back on it I think my favorite scene in the entire episode was when the Dothraki failed miserably at the first charge at the wights. I was so pumped, like hell yeah, Melisandre's back and she just gave the army a huge boost in power. And then... holy cow.
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:23:17 AM: I agree with you on both of those points.

Take that!
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:23:45 AM: Quote from: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 07:18:13 AM
Valyrian steel can kill a white walker - Jon cut one down at Hardhorne with Longclaw. So we've seen that valyrian steel can kill a white walker. We saw that dragon fire has no effect. It's not hard to piece it together that the only thing that can kill them is a valyrian steel blade. As to the comment about the same location, I doubt Arya had any knowledge of that - she just stabbed him. I think the Beinoff & Weiss just wanted that synchronicity. The Night King was created by being stabbed in one spot and he was killed by being stabbed in the same spot.
The reason why Valyrian steel is so much better than regular steel is because (it has been heavily insinuated) it is made with dragon fire. If dragon fire can't do shit, then technically all they did with the dragons was give the White Walkers a dragon, and lose one of the dragons before the showdown with Cersei, so not only is that stupid of the main characters, but they also have to explain the Valyrian steel in some other way and not leave it as a Deus Ex Machina.

Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:17:29 AM
The Zombies are the Wights. I get their purpose. I'm wondering about the White Walkers. These fellas:
The Wights are raised dead by the White Walkers, the White Walkers are (presumably) special humans turned while they were still alive by the Children.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 07:23:59 AM: What? It's Monday morning. Don't twist my brain up by agreeing with me :lol

I echo Chino's question, I would like more info on the white walkers (not the wight walkers). We know they're Crastor's sons and maybe other people's sacrificed sons (nuggetz!), but what's their purpose beyond seeming to command battalions of wights?
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 07:26:39 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:23:45 AM
Quote from: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 07:18:13 AM
Valyrian steel can kill a white walker - Jon cut one down at Hardhorne with Longclaw. So we've seen that valyrian steel can kill a white walker. We saw that dragon fire has no effect. It's not hard to piece it together that the only thing that can kill them is a valyrian steel blade. As to the comment about the same location, I doubt Arya had any knowledge of that - she just stabbed him. I think the Beinoff & Weiss just wanted that synchronicity. The Night King was created by being stabbed in one spot and he was killed by being stabbed in the same spot.
The reason why Valyrian steel is so much better than regular steel is because (it has been heavily insinuated) it is made with dragon fire. If dragon fire can't do shit, then technically all they did with the dragons was give the White Walkers a dragon, and lose one of the dragons before the showdown with Cersei, so not only is that stupid of the main characters, but they also have to explain the Valyrian steel in some other way and not leave it as a Deus Ex Machina.

Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:17:29 AM
The Zombies are the Wights. I get their purpose. I'm wondering about the White Walkers. These fellas:
The Wights are raised dead by the White Walkers, the White Walkers are (presumably) special humans turned while they were still alive by the Children.

I thought the white walkers were those babies given to the Night King by that dude who banged all of his daughters.

Also, before the episode, I had this thought that they'd try to stab the Night King with dragon glass, but because he was created by dragon glass, it wouldn't do anything. Instead they did a very similar thing with dragon fire. And yea, Mora is right. I have no idea why that steel worked if that's what makes it special. And I think Arya stabbed in the lower gut, while the children stabbed him directly in the heart.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:33:54 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 07:23:59 AM
We know they're Crastor's sons and maybe other people's sacrificed sons (nuggetz!), but what's their purpose beyond seeming to command battalions of wights?
Book readers had a lot of theories of what they would turn out to be: everything from people who were turned while they were still alive, people who were turned while they were babies (like Craster's babies), to people who had magical powers of warging or greensight before they died, there's some of those in the North. But those theories are dead now that we won't find out anything about them. Maybe next episode will have some exposition related to that - maybe they'll try to explain who and what they fought to someone in the South.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 07:35:48 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 07:23:59 AM
We know they're Crastor's sons and maybe other people's sacrificed sons (nuggetz!), but what's their purpose beyond seeming to command battalions of wights?
Book readers had a lot of theories of what they would turn out to be: everything from people who were turned while they were still alive, people who were turned while they were babies (like Craster's babies), to people who had magical powers of warging or greensight before they died, there's some of those in the North. But those theories are dead now that we won't find out anything about them. Maybe next episode will have some exposition related to that - maybe they'll try to explain who and what they fought to someone in the South.

That's part of why I believe the NK isn't gone for good. There has to be more, something with the Weirwoods. That's why he and the Walkers have been making that symbol for the past 8 seasons. I'm telling ya'll, this isn't over yet, no matter how hard Adami wants to believe it is.*

*I say this fully aware that if I'm wrong I'll have to eat crow and admit I'm wrong. :loser:
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Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:38:22 AM: Any chance we see what's in that Valyrian Stone vault in Qarth by the end of the series?
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 29, 2019, 07:39:22 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:04:59 AM
Question. What was the purpose of/Who were the White Walkers?
The White Walkers were something created by the Children of the Forest (precursors to humans who were tied to the forest) when humanity first appeared and threatened their existence and way of life. Seeking a weapon to defend themselves they used magic to corrupt a human and create a weapon against humanity - a force associated with death, cold and night. However, sorcery is a blade without a hilt and the force the Children created to fight against humanity became a threat to them as well. Their purpose as intended by the Children was to defend themselves by destroying humanity who were themselves destroying the Children of the Forest - however the White Walkers clearly did not differentiate between the Children and humanity, and in fact the Night King appeared to prioritise the remnants of the Children and their magic.

The Night King appeared to be the original White Walker created by the Children (or at least one of them). He was shown creating a new White Walker by turning s newborn which was left to the Others by Craster, along with numerous other newborn sons over the years.

To be honest, while I would have liked a little more, I'm genuinely curious what people's idea of an explanation would be for something like the White Walkers if it is not what was already in the show. You don't have to like this explanation (personally I think that being a mysterious force of nature it's one of those things where no answer will be completely satsfying, but I'm happy enough with the explanation we got and it's better than some schlocky shit about the White Walkers coming because a Targaryen fucking a Stark was against their rules or whatever awful fan theories some people elsewhere on the internet believe have been good), but I still am struggling to think of other examples of anything similar to the White Walkers in other stories that we knew more about.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 07:49:46 AM: While I immensely enjoyed the evening with my gf watching the episode and was on the edge of my seat the entire time, it was easily the worst of the battle episodes and sadly makes me feel like this is going down as the second worst season of GOT sadly. I still love it, and am looking forward to the rest of it and talking about it, but this has simply been a letdown. There were lots of awesome moments for sure so I'll try to talk about both...

The battle was too dark, that's nothing to do with the story though, but this definitely was noticeable. I blew out the one candle we had in front of the TV.

The dothraki done in the beginining was pretty crazy. Just like that, all wiped out and actually thought it was awesome. I think the darkness worked in it's favor for this scene as the lights going out was pretty cool.

Melisandre lighting things up to start was nice too although her ending was a bit odd, like, that was her point all along, wtf is she. I guess it's not that important, I thought for sure she would die lighting the fire and sacrificing herself.

Speaking of sacrificing themselves, knew immediately Edd was dead once he saved Sam. But it was cool seeing his eyes go blue.

I think my favorite part about the CGI and look of this fight was when we first got a look at the stampede and just how ridiculous it was. That was HUGE. And now the problem with that, it looked so damn big and insane of a "herd" to ever fend off, my biggest complaint of the episode, it was just too long and it felt like there was no way that stampede was being kept out for the duration of the episode.

It felt like Brienne, Jamie, Tormund, Arya, Jorah, The Hound, Beric all just seemed to be fighting the entire episode, it was all cool for a bit until they were still doing the same thing at the end of the episode. It just got a bit tiring to watch, especially near the end where you see there ist practically no one else alive but them and somehow still fending off all the wights.

Sam standing there at the brink of death all episode and Davos just always standing near something cool happening. After awhile it felt like "no one is going to die" and even with the amounts of deaths which were plenty, it still felt like all the main characters were safe. (which they were)

Well, the obvious crypts happened and it was fairly pointless and meaningless. Did anyone important die down there? Nice scene with Sansa and Tyrion, but they came off as totally pointless which maybe was the point as political people (with Varys) just being useless against the real battle. Seemed Gilly and the baby likely survived down there too.

The dragon fight was cool, but it was hard to tell who was who. I couldn't tell if the dragons had died at all. I guess they didn't, but it was confusing. Made sense for Drogon to fly away though, had to shake everything off. And surprisingly dragon fire doesn't kill the night king, which I totally would ahve thought it would, but the way they shot it made it so obvious it wouldn't work. I'm not sure I understand this at all.

And so, the end of the Night King. Send pointless Theon to him :lol but while I totally loved Arya killing him, and the way she did so (dropping the dagger move, which she used on Brienne in their spar last season) it just seemed to not make any sense to the "lore" of GOT. In the sense that, the dead army is done now, and just like that the Night King did reveal himself and did not speak and did not seemingly have a purpose and just died so easily from a stab. Bran, seemingly did nothing the enitre episode. I thought he was going to warg at the end, but I'm not sure I get what he was doing other than just "knowing"

Lyanna's death was awesome. Most badass death since Oberyn's. The mormonts are all gone. And I'm not sure a single person survived besides the main characters, but at least with the dragons they should have a fighting chance against Cersei.

The carnage around Winterfell is ridiculous :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 29, 2019, 07:50:51 AM: Can this still happen?

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From Daenerys vision in the early seasons in the house of undying. I always thought of it as a consequence of losing to the nightking, but perhaps a vision of something else?

Or perhaps a No fate but what you make situation? As if they were able to prevent it?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:52:31 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 29, 2019, 07:39:22 AM
To be honest, while I would have liked a little more, I'm genuinely curious what people's idea of an explanation would be for something like the White Walkers if it is not what was already in the show. You don't have to like this explanation (personally I think that being a mysterious force of nature it's one of those things where no answer will be completely satsfying, but I'm happy enough with the explanation we got and it's better than some schlocky shit about the White Walkers coming because a Targaryen fucking a Stark was against their rules or whatever awful fan theories some people elsewhere on the internet believe have been good), but I still am struggling to think of other examples of anything similar to the White Walkers in other stories that we knew more about.
What's in the show in seasons 6 and 7 is fine. But this season they had to fuck it up by saying WWs wanted to kill the Three-Eyed Raven, who (from what we know) is the name of a powerful greenseer who's spent enough time in the weirwood network to absorb a lot of knowledge and memories. Now, it's Bran, who wasn't even a twinkle in Ned's eye around the time the show has established WWs started stirring and moving and gathering more wights. Bloodraven wasn't doing anything in particular then that we know of - if they added one more scene where he explained he started using his powers by moving some chess pieces and deliberately or accidentally triggered the invasion, it would have been alright. We suspect something like that may have been happening in the books, but there's no evidence nor explanation. Moreover, there was no Three-Eyed Raven when the WWs were created, he wasn't in their original programming. If they wanted to destroy memories, we'd have accounts of them burning all the weirwoods for centuries, preventing humans and Children from tapping into them.

I wouldn't have thought they would bother to explain it if they didn't set it up in a big way, with NK "marking" Bran and then them looking at each other this episode. I thought for sure something was going to happen. But it didn't.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 07:52:59 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on April 29, 2019, 07:50:51 AM
Can this still happen?

It could mean Jon "Snow" on the throne, but then again, he isn't a snow, but a Targaryan. But I do think it could mean Jon sits the throne. Also it could be burnt down by the remaining dragons. I was thinking about this vision too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 29, 2019, 07:59:29 AM: Someone on Twitter had a post where they shared their favorite screen cap from the episode:

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I thought that was pretty funny.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 08:07:19 AM: Trying to read about this episode elsewhere online and for the most part seems like a lot of people enjoyed this episode as much as I did but boy there's a vocal contingent that is just lambasting the show "ThE bOoKs ArE sO mUcH bEtTeR!" I dunno, something about all the negativity around this is really bumming me out, kind of like Endgame and people saying how much better Infinity War was. Think I'll just cut the Internet cord for a while and not let it bring me down...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 29, 2019, 08:08:35 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 07:38:22 AM
Any chance we see what's in that Valyrian Stone vault in Qarth by the end of the series?
Two skeletons in an empty room by now I guess :lol

Oh, and one thing I liked a lot of this episode was seeing the way the Night King directed the weights - the way some of those scenes were shot clearly paralleled the Night King's blue eyes with the warging eye effect, and basically reinforced the similarity between the Night King's control over raised dead and warging. And you could see the difference at some points between wights that were sort of left unattended (shuffling around, responding to basic stimuli like hearing movement) and those that were temporarily under direct control (e.g. those that walked forward and implied themselves on the trench defences). Considering the parallels between Bran and the Night King, I think it's safe to say the idea that the Night King is a warg / greenseer figure who was corrupted by the Children to be turned against humanity it pretty much as confirmed as it will ever be. Whether or not he gained those abilities only because of the sacrifice or he was chosen because he was a warg already we might never know. But seeing that the animated dead were like a corrupted form of warging on mass scale means at least the "kill the leader and they all drop" is well justified in story (that it also applies to the other White Walkers who seem more sentient, I'll chalk up to plot convenience :lol ).

Considering the parallel between the two I would have liked to see Bran's warging abilities be used directly against the dead, especially since otherwise it may appear that he basically did nothing :lol But even though he was just bait for the Night King here I believe he knew that was the way it had to go down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 08:11:25 AM: Oh, two more shots/scenes that were awesome:

Jon running at the Night King as he is raising all the dead :metal

And the Arya being super quiet and swift scene, that was really cool and reminded me of Jurassic Park with the kids in the kitchen with the raptors hunting them :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on April 29, 2019, 08:17:06 AM: There were some amazing shots in this episode. The director as usual did an amazing job. Story wise I think 1 or 3 more major characters should have died but I with hold judgement until I see the rest of the season. I'm really looking forward to re-watching the series once I know how it all turns out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 29, 2019, 08:40:22 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2019, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: RuRoRul on April 29, 2019, 07:39:22 AM
To be honest, while I would have liked a little more, I'm genuinely curious what people's idea of an explanation would be for something like the White Walkers if it is not what was already in the show. You don't have to like this explanation (personally I think that being a mysterious force of nature it's one of those things where no answer will be completely satsfying, but I'm happy enough with the explanation we got and it's better than some schlocky shit about the White Walkers coming because a Targaryen fucking a Stark was against their rules or whatever awful fan theories some people elsewhere on the internet believe have been good), but I still am struggling to think of other examples of anything similar to the White Walkers in other stories that we knew more about.
What's in the show in seasons 6 and 7 is fine. But this season they had to fuck it up by saying WWs wanted to kill the Three-Eyed Raven, who (from what we know) is the name of a powerful greenseer who's spent enough time in the weirwood network to absorb a lot of knowledge and memories. Now, it's Bran, who wasn't even a twinkle in Ned's eye around the time the show has established WWs started stirring and moving and gathering more wights. Bloodraven wasn't doing anything in particular then that we know of - if they added one more scene where he explained he started using his powers by moving some chess pieces and deliberately or accidentally triggered the invasion, it would have been alright. We suspect something like that may have been happening in the books, but there's no evidence nor explanation. Moreover, there was no Three-Eyed Raven when the WWs were created, he wasn't in their original programming. If they wanted to destroy memories, we'd have accounts of them burning all the weirwoods for centuries, preventing humans and Children from tapping into them.

I wouldn't have thought they would bother to explain it if they didn't set it up in a big way, with NK "marking" Bran and then them looking at each other this episode. I thought for sure something was going to happen. But it didn't.
Yeah, I would have liked to see more that related exactly how the Night King saw killing Bran / the Three Eyed Raven. It is tough because we know that the Night King isn't going to actually speak (and I believe in the books the Others will only speak in their own language that sounds like cracking ice - the show tried to create a language for them but were unable to make something that actually matched the description in the books without sounding stupid). Since we were unlikely to get much in words I thought there was the possibility for something to be communicated through visions that might give us a better understanding of that conflict.

As I interpreted it, what happened was that Bran knew the Night King would die there. I don't think he knows literally everything that will happen the same way he can see the past as visions of the future are always more nebulous, but i believe he knew that if the Night king came to the godswood at Winterfell he would die. That was what the interaction between the two was about in my opinion - the Night King sensed that something was wrong. I also suspect that in order to properly kill Bran (and not let him to continue to exist as just a presence in the weirwood) it actually had to be the Night King to do it, as he killed the previous Three Eyed Raven.

I agree it would have been good to get some more understanding of the Three Eyed Raven's activity in the buildup to the conflict that might give some semblance of an answer to the "why now?" question.

As for the existence of the Three Eyed Raven in the past, Bloodraven as the Three Eyed Raven didnt exist until somewhat recently, but the show did tell us in Season 8 (one of the only new concrete facts) that there have definitely been more Three Eyed Ravens than just the one before Bran. BR is called The Last Greenseer in the books - even if the Three Eyed Raven entity didn't exist in the original Long Night i think that the Night King's enmity for him would have in the past been directed at the greenseers / old gods, whether they were Children themselves or humans that gained that ability from them. I think that it roughly goes Children vs. First Men, Children create White Walkers to counter First Men but they become a threat to both Children and First Men alike, First Men and Children come together due to the common threat of the White Walkers leading to the greenseers / old gods, eventually over time the Children / greenseers disappear from the world leaving the Three Eyed Raven as the last greenseer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 08:48:58 AM: I really liked the episode. I thought it was a great battle episode....pretty intense....and honestly my only real 'gripe' if I had one would be that I think a couple more characters should have died....but, I'm not going to let that ruin what I thought was a good battle and conclusion to the Night King saga.

Like most of you I'm sure I've been reading a lot about this episode all morning....either here or on other parts of the internet. A couple of things that keep coming up I'd like to comment on to add my two cents:

- The scene with Arya in the Castle where she creeps and ninjas around being 'pointless'. For me, that scene was placed there to prove her abilities one final time to justify 'how' she'd have been able to 'stalk' the Night King without him or his crew knowing. Chances are she was already in the God's Wood Forest anyway waiting on him.

- Drogon being alive. Honestly, one of the sillier complaints. Take a 5-8" knife....go out and find yourself a 17-20 Alligator and stab it in the lower back a few dozen times. IF you're able to penetrate the scales those wounds would be superficial at best to that creature.....much like the wound Drogon suffered from the wights. He took flight and shook them off....I don't see why this should be an issue?

- Jon (and the others) surviving in the face of overwhelming numbers. I 'get' the complaint but honestly, characters of his (and their) fighting skill are far superior to the mindless bezerking of the wights. The only 'true' warriors the Night King had were his White Walker Generals....and they for whatever reason were not utilized. Sure...it seems like Jon, Jamie, Brianee, Pod, Grey Worm and Tormond should have died...or at least two or three of them....which I agree.....BUT....I can also see how they would have survived. They're just freaking bad a$$ warriors.

- Jon facing down Viserion. He was desperate....knew he was pinned down and knew that he needed to get to Bran. He wasn't going to sit there and die helplessly so why not face down Viserion and go out proud?

The re-animated Starks in the Crypts. I have no real issue with this other than Adami's point.....there should have been characters on the show that mentioned this or thought of the possibility and they should have at least had a small contingent of soldiers down there just in case. The fact they animated doesn't bother me at all....it makes perfect sense. The Night King was 'in range' and he used his gift to strengthen his numbers.

- The darkness of the episode. I think that was intentional to set the mood that the characters were facing.

Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
Trying to read about this episode elsewhere online and for the most part seems like a lot of people enjoyed this episode as much as I did but boy there's a vocal contingent that is just lambasting the show "ThE bOoKs ArE sO mUcH bEtTeR!" I dunno, something about all the negativity around this is really bumming me out, kind of like Endgame and people saying how much better Infinity War was. Think I'll just cut the Internet cord for a while and not let it bring me down...

For me...I lump these folks in with the Star Wars fan boy contingent that 'think' they knew how to do that episode better.....that 'think' what they thought should have happened should have happened. There's a reason why they're sitting at home watching the show and the writers/producers etc etc are the ones writing and producing. Just because it didn't go as you thought it should doesn't make it a bad episode. Get over it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 08:54:41 AM: One of the interesting things moving forward now is that Dany does not have the Dothraki or Unsullied in any significant number. She is going to NEED the North to beat Cersi. I'd be curious as to how long Jon is going to keep his true lineage under wraps from everyone else?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 09:01:13 AM: Another part of me was expecting, when Jon was about fight the undead dragon (sorry, bad with some of these names) that it would have been the reverse of what happened with the Night King. Dragon would have torched Jon would have been fine. Glad they didn't ultimately do that, but a part me was expecting it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 29, 2019, 09:01:32 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
kind of like Endgame and people saying how much better Infinity War was.
I've not seen Endgame yet and so haven't read anything spoilery, but in terms of spoiler-free stuff that's not remotely what I'm seeing. Almost everything I've seen has been incredibly positive.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 09:06:41 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 08:54:41 AM
One of the interesting things moving forward now is that Dany does not have the Dothraki or Unsullied in any significant number. She is going to NEED the North to beat Cersi. I'd be curious as to how long Jon is going to keep his true lineage under wraps from everyone else?

I'm not sure there's much of the North left either :lol Outside of the North having one or two dragons left, Cersei should have this fight pretty easily.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 09:07:41 AM: Did Jorah save Dany with the sword that Sam gave him? What happened to that sword? I hope Dany returns it to Sam as a "thank you and I'm genuinely sorry about your father".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 09:12:25 AM: Quote from: ariich on April 29, 2019, 09:01:32 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
kind of like Endgame and people saying how much better Infinity War was.
I've not seen Endgame yet and so haven't read anything spoilery, but in terms of spoiler-free stuff that's not remotely what I'm seeing. Almost everything I've seen has been incredibly positive.

It must be a local thing then - a bunch of my friends are being killjoys about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 09:13:23 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 09:01:13 AM
Another part of me was expecting, when Jon was about fight the undead dragon (sorry, bad with some of these names) that it would have been the reverse of what happened with the Night King. Dragon would have torched Jon would have been fine. Glad they didn't ultimately do that, but a part me was expecting it.

I liked how he just stood up and screamed at it. lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 29, 2019, 09:33:37 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 09:12:25 AM
Quote from: ariich on April 29, 2019, 09:01:32 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
kind of like Endgame and people saying how much better Infinity War was.
I've not seen Endgame yet and so haven't read anything spoilery, but in terms of spoiler-free stuff that's not remotely what I'm seeing. Almost everything I've seen has been incredibly positive.

It must be a local thing then - a bunch of my friends are being killjoys about it.
You evidently have some particularly grumpy friends. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 09:35:29 AM: Quote from: ariich on April 29, 2019, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 09:12:25 AM
Quote from: ariich on April 29, 2019, 09:01:32 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
kind of like Endgame and people saying how much better Infinity War was.
I've not seen Endgame yet and so haven't read anything spoilery, but in terms of spoiler-free stuff that's not remotely what I'm seeing. Almost everything I've seen has been incredibly positive.

It must be a local thing then - a bunch of my friends are being killjoys about it.
You evidently have some particularly grumpy friends. :lol

KILLJOYS, I say! My best friend was losing his mind Friday evening and last night he was just dogging it the whole time! :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 09:43:03 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
Trying to read about this episode elsewhere online and for the most part seems like a lot of people enjoyed this episode as much as I did but boy there's a vocal contingent that is just lambasting the show "ThE bOoKs ArE sO mUcH bEtTeR!" I dunno, something about all the negativity around this is really bumming me out, kind of like Endgame and people saying how much better Infinity War was. Think I'll just cut the Internet cord for a while and not let it bring me down...

Book snobs can take a flying leap. "The book are better." Yeah, we know they are almost always are. Who cares? Enjoy the show for what it is.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 08:48:58 AM

- Drogon being alive. Honestly, one of the sillier complaints. Take a 5-8" knife....go out and find yourself a 17-20 Alligator and stab it in the lower back a few dozen times. IF you're able to penetrate the scales those wounds would be superficial at best to that creature.....much like the wound Drogon suffered from the wights. He took flight and shook them off....I don't see why this should be an issue?

Yeah,I am not volunteering for that job. :lol :lol

Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 09:06:41 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 08:54:41 AM
One of the interesting things moving forward now is that Dany does not have the Dothraki or Unsullied in any significant number. She is going to NEED the North to beat Cersi. I'd be curious as to how long Jon is going to keep his true lineage under wraps from everyone else?

I'm not sure there's much of the North left either :lol Outside of the North having one or two dragons left, Cersei should have this fight pretty easily.

You would think, but no way does it turn out that way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 09:51:47 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 09:07:41 AM
Did Jorah save Dany with the sword that Sam gave him? What happened to that sword? I hope Dany returns it to Sam as a "thank you and I'm genuinely sorry about your father".

He did....I can't imagine that the sword won't make it back to Sam.

Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 09:06:41 AM
I'm not sure there's much of the North left either :lol Outside of the North having one or two dragons left, Cersei should have this fight pretty easily.

True....very true. I still think that the Dario and the Second Sons are going to make an appearance......just now sure 'how' they get across the narrow sea.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 09:53:37 AM: I was a bit confused. When I watched the preview for episode 4, which I admit was fast so I might be wrong, but it looked like Dany still had a huge number of Unsullied.

I dunno about this. It really looked like the wights killed just about everyone in this episode. Not much made sense as to how they actually survived with such numbers, but such is life. Turns out you can't really make an overwhelming enemy get defeated in a believable way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 10:00:36 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 09:53:37 AM
I was a bit confused. When I watched the preview for episode 4, which I admit was fast so I might be wrong, but it looked like Dany still had a huge number of Unsullied.
Well...I suppose they are highly trained killing machines....but it seemed like they were pretty outnumbered. Curious to see how many they actually have left over

Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 09:53:37 AM
Turns out you can't really make an overwhelming enemy get defeated in a believable way.

As far as 'believability' on how the army and the Night King were defeated.....I think it fits and makes sense. Some are saying it was 'too easy' but nothing about that battle seemed easy to me.

The Night King was very arrogant for good reason.....he was more or less invincible. That's the only reason he exposed himself like that....or maybe only 'he' can kill a three eyed raven? Had to be there in person? It took 'divine providence' or something along those lines to set up that only shot at killing him and winning that war. But I don't think as far as him and the White Walkers getting beat was unbelievable when set against the story that's being told.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 10:05:03 AM: Ultimately, the Night King and White Walkers were a plot device. The North, along with Danny and her dragons and Dothraki and Unsullied, would have destroyed the South in about four minutes, but it is now a fair right for the Iron Throne, and isn't that ultimately what we all want to see??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 10:11:10 AM: Talk of believability in a show about dragons, black magic, prophecy, fire witches, giants, ancient green children that live on the scale of millennia, obsidian with inherent anti-ice monster properties and dragonfire-infused steel with the same anti-ice monster properties, green superfire that's blown up an entire city and its religious sect, dragons, long-haired ice monsters, the living dead, a cult dedicated to molding and shaping deadly assassins with superhuman abilities, an ancient monster that was created by having obsidian shoved deep into his sternum somehow, dragons, and a 700-foot tall continent-wide wall made of ice and magic... hmm :) AND a cripple who can become the next best thing to an Animorph.

(I get the point, I'm just trying to be a smartass. Suspension of disbelief can only carry someone so far, and everyone's tolerance is different.)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on April 29, 2019, 10:18:28 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 10:05:03 AM
Ultimately, the Night King and White Walkers were a plot device. The North, along with Danny and her dragons and Dothraki and Unsullied, would have destroyed the South in about four minutes, but it is now a fair right for the Iron Throne, and isn't that ultimately what we all want to see??

Yes, and think this is a good point.

Edit:

I also think the following was a great paragraph.

Quote from: RuRoRul on April 28, 2019, 10:59:31 PM
The Night King was the big villain of the high fantasy part of this story, a being that was created as a weapon against humanity and life in general, a personification of the supernatural forces of winter and night within the world of ASOIAF. He and the White Walkers were intelligent and strategic, they were certainly not mindless, and some complexity was implied by their actions and the symbolism associated with them, but ultimately though it came from an alien and inhuman mindset, their motivation was utterly hostile to life and light. That makes them simple villains in a way, but honestly while I like the extra depth and complexity implied by the White Walker's actions I was never moved by any theory of them actually having more human motivations or that his was all just some big misunderstanding that could be cleared up. They were a force of darkness straight out of high fantasy, and this episode was the climactic confrontation with that force, and I think it execute the climax of that dark high fantasy story excellently.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 10:21:26 AM: So, with Arya getting the 'big kill' by taking out the Night King.....does that leave us with Jamie or Tyrion now taking out Cersi?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 10:23:37 AM: It would have been really freaking nice if Leaf had lived, made it down to Winterfell, and in S8E02 explained the whole backstory to the NK since you see her in his creation scene. That would have singlehandedly solved the problem of 'big baddy go boom with no other closure' I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 29, 2019, 10:24:48 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 10:05:03 AM
Ultimately, the Night King and White Walkers were a plot device. The North, along with Danny and her dragons and Dothraki and Unsullied, would have destroyed the South in about four minutes, but it is now a fair right for the Iron Throne, and isn't that ultimately what we all want to see??
Not just for the sake of it, no.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 10:38:50 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 10:21:26 AM
So, with Arya getting the 'big kill' by taking out the Night King.....does that leave us with Jamie or Tyrion now taking out Cersi?

My money is on Sansa killing Cersei. We've never seen her make a kill, and she's going to hold onto the dagger that Arya gave her.

Also, Arya's whole "she's the smartest person I ever met" makes me think she's going to some how end up on the throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 10:40:56 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 10:05:03 AM
Ultimately, the Night King and White Walkers were a plot device. The North, along with Danny and her dragons and Dothraki and Unsullied, would have destroyed the South in about four minutes, but it is now a fair right for the Iron Throne, and isn't that ultimately what we all want to see??

No, I didn't want something introduced in the first scene of the show and a looming part of the entire series plus the main theme of last season and half to just be a plot device.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 10:47:39 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 10:38:50 AM
My money is on Sansa killing Cersei. We've never seen her make a kill, and she's going to hold onto the dagger that Arya gave her.

Also, Arya's whole "she's the smartest person I ever met" makes me think she's going to some how end up on the throne.

I thought something was up with her and Tyrion in the crypt. It looked like they could have been holding hands while hiding from the undead. Couple that with Arya's quote and maybe she's trying to put herself in some sort of position to join houses or at least get something from the Lannisters regarding the sovereignty of the northern king.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 29, 2019, 11:10:36 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 08:48:58 AM
I really liked the episode. I thought it was a great battle episode....pretty intense....and honestly my only real 'gripe' if I had one would be that I think a couple more characters should have died....but, I'm not going to let that ruin what I thought was a good battle and conclusion to the Night King saga.

Like most of you I'm sure I've been reading a lot about this episode all morning....either here or on other parts of the internet. A couple of things that keep coming up I'd like to comment on to add my two cents:

- The scene with Arya in the Castle where she creeps and ninjas around being 'pointless'. For me, that scene was placed there to prove her abilities one final time to justify 'how' she'd have been able to 'stalk' the Night King without him or his crew knowing. Chances are she was already in the God's Wood Forest anyway waiting on him.

- Drogon being alive. Honestly, one of the sillier complaints. Take a 5-8" knife....go out and find yourself a 17-20 Alligator and stab it in the lower back a few dozen times. IF you're able to penetrate the scales those wounds would be superficial at best to that creature.....much like the wound Drogon suffered from the wights. He took flight and shook them off....I don't see why this should be an issue?

- Jon (and the others) surviving in the face of overwhelming numbers. I 'get' the complaint but honestly, characters of his (and their) fighting skill are far superior to the mindless bezerking of the wights. The only 'true' warriors the Night King had were his White Walker Generals....and they for whatever reason were not utilized. Sure...it seems like Jon, Jamie, Brianee, Pod, Grey Worm and Tormond should have died...or at least two or three of them....which I agree.....BUT....I can also see how they would have survived. They're just freaking bad a$$ warriors.

- Jon facing down Viserion. He was desperate....knew he was pinned down and knew that he needed to get to Bran. He wasn't going to sit there and die helplessly so why not face down Viserion and go out proud?

The re-animated Starks in the Crypts. I have no real issue with this other than Adami's point.....there should have been characters on the show that mentioned this or thought of the possibility and they should have at least had a small contingent of soldiers down there just in case. The fact they animated doesn't bother me at all....it makes perfect sense. The Night King was 'in range' and he used his gift to strengthen his numbers.

- The darkness of the episode. I think that was intentional to set the mood that the characters were facing.

Very good points, I agree with pretty much all of that.

Great as Helm's Deep is I think I definitely prefer daytime battles for the action, so I wasn't sure how this episode would stack up visually compared to Hardhome or Battle of the Bastards. The previews were very dark so I was prepared for an episode that might be quite difficult to see. But I think considering it's the Long Night it pretty much had to be at night and the way it was made to feel as though the armies were literally fighting darkness was well done. Good news is that in the next half of the season we could be in for something that's quite different visually, even if there isn't any battle as big as this.

The crypt zombies, after everyone guessed it might happen I was a little worried about the idea because, while it would make for a nice horror moment, it's hard to imagine logistically the amount of old dead in that crypt being a major, major threat to the defenders inside Winterfell, and if they were it would raise serious questions about why no one thought about that. But what we did get was that some of the dead inside the crypt did rise, but it wasn't that big a deal - the White Walkers attack plan didn't depend on it, it was just incidental when he was raising all the dead around Winterfell, and it just contributed to the general feeling of everywhere in Winterfell being overrun with dead. If the White Walkers had managed to awaken the dead in the crypts earlier before even getting near the walls then I imagine they could have just shouted for some of the warriors stationed above to come down and protect them. So overall, yeah crypt zombies made an appearance but it since it was just a small part of what was going on and the entire flow of the battle didn't depend on it I felt it was fine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on April 29, 2019, 11:20:20 AM: An old quote from George R. R. Martin about the ending of A Song of Ice and Fire:
Quote
Q: The number one question people ask me about the series is whether I think everyone will lose—whether it will end in some horrible apocalypse. I know you can’t speak to that specifically, but as a revisionist of epic fantasy— 

GRRM: "I haven’t written the ending yet, so I don’t know, but no. That’s certainly not my intent. I’ve said before that the tone of the ending that I’m going for is bittersweet. I mean, it’s no secret that Tolkien has been a huge influence on me, and I love the way he ended Lord of the Rings. It ends with victory, but it’s a bittersweet victory. Frodo is never whole again, and he goes away to the Undying Lands, and the other people live their lives. And the scouring of the Shire—brilliant piece of work, which I didn’t understand when I was 13 years old: “Why is this here? The story’s over?” But every time I read it I understand the brilliance of that segment more and more. All I can say is that’s the kind of tone I will be aiming for. Whether I achieve it or not, that will be up to people like you and my readers to judge."

I don't see the threat which was hinted at in the first episode of the series and finally dealt with in episode 70 out of 73 total episodes as just being a plot device for some bigger endgame. No more than Sauron and the Ring was just a plot device to get Saruman to the Shire and keep Frodo and his companions away from it to set up the Scouring of the Shire in the Lord of the Rings (the books). Even though GRRM wants to explore areas that Lord of the Rings didn't and take a slightly different approach, it is still one of his biggest influences, and he has highlighted the Scouring of the Shire in particular as something he likes. While the show likely has some major differences from Martin's (intended, theoretical) ending, so far it is feeling quite in keeping with the tone he suggested he would go for. And I suspect that the Scouring of Westeros that follows the end of the Long Night might take an even bigger toll on the characters than what occurs in the Lord of the Rings.

Edit: For reference, the Lord of the Rings is split into six "books", with each of the three volumes including two books of the main story. The ring is destroyed and Sauron is defeated (spoiler alert, I guess) in Chapter 3 out of 9 in the sixth book of LOTR.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 11:27:22 AM: Someone just brought this up to me.

Since the Night King was able to turn Craster's babies into Wight Walkers by touching them, why didn't Arya turn when she was being choked?

My response was simply we just don't seem to be getting answers about the Night King so I can only assume he can touch and turn if he wants or just touch if he wants. I'm guessing he wasn't looking to raise any wight walkers in that moment.

Also, his smile was pretty awesome, but being he never spoke or never got his story besides how he was made, makes me think he shouldn't of smiled then. It showed an emotion on what the show is making me think should have been emotion less.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 11:38:28 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 11:27:22 AM
Someone just brought this up to me.

Since the Night King was able to turn Craster's babies into Wight Walkers by touching them, why didn't Arya turn when she was being choked?

My response was simply we just don't seem to be getting answers about the Night King so I can only assume he can touch and turn if he wants or just touch if he wants. I'm guessing he wasn't looking to raise any wight walkers in that moment.

Also, his smile was pretty awesome, but being he never spoke or never got his story besides how he was made, makes me think he shouldn't of smiled then. It showed an emotion on what the show is making me think should have been emotion less.

Yeah, I doubt people don't just turn if he makes contact with him. Otherwise, Bran would have as well, no?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 11:43:21 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 11:27:22 AM
Someone just brought this up to me.

Since the Night King was able to turn Craster's babies into Wight Walkers by touching them, why didn't Arya turn when she was being choked?

My response was simply we just don't seem to be getting answers about the Night King so I can only assume he can touch and turn if he wants or just touch if he wants. I'm guessing he wasn't looking to raise any wight walkers in that moment.

Also, his smile was pretty awesome, but being he never spoke or never got his story besides how he was made, makes me think he shouldn't of smiled then. It showed an emotion on what the show is making me think should have been emotion less.

Yeah, I doubt people don't just turn if he makes contact with him. Otherwise, Bran would have as well, no?

Well that touch left him with the mark but was in the past timeline right? I just don't know and I don't think we will get an explanation other than he likely can just turn when he wants, not just by his touch alone.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on April 29, 2019, 11:56:40 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on April 29, 2019, 11:10:36 AM
The crypt zombies, after everyone guessed it might happen I was a little worried about the idea because, while it would make for a nice horror moment, it's hard to imagine logistically the amount of old dead in that crypt being a major, major threat to the defenders inside Winterfell, and if they were it would raise serious questions about why no one thought about that. But what we did get was that some of the dead inside the crypt did rise, but it wasn't that big a deal - the White Walkers attack plan didn't depend on it, it was just incidental when he was raising all the dead around Winterfell, and it just contributed to the general feeling of everywhere in Winterfell being overrun with dead. If the White Walkers had managed to awaken the dead in the crypts earlier before even getting near the walls then I imagine they could have just shouted for some of the warriors stationed above to come down and protect them. So overall, yeah crypt zombies made an appearance but it since it was just a small part of what was going on and the entire flow of the battle didn't depend on it I felt it was fine.

Yeah, if they had to raise the Starks in the crypt, this was the only way they were going to do it without it being too hokey. I also appreciated that they resisted the temptation of showing specific corpses rising...like a close up of Lyanna's, Ned's, or Bran the Builder's crypt blowing open to jump to attack. Generic/ancillary dead was about the only saving grace of that idea. Like Adami implies, it would have been better if there were some guards with dragonglass in the crypt and if other precautions would have been taken.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 12:48:53 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 10:05:03 AM
Ultimately, the Night King and White Walkers were a plot device. The North, along with Danny and her dragons and Dothraki and Unsullied, would have destroyed the South in about four minutes, but it is now a fair right for the Iron Throne, and isn't that ultimately what we all want to see??

No, I didn't want something introduced in the first scene of the show and a looming part of the entire series plus the main theme of last season and half to just be a plot device.

Let me put it a different way:

There is no chance that the Night King and the White Walkers were going to kill everyone in the North, and then go do the same in the South, and then the show ends with the Night King on the Iron Throne. No chance. I never thought that was a realistic possibility, which meant they had to go down last night since the south would have had less than no chance to take them out since they had no dragons and no clue how to fight them. They didn't spend 7 seasons building up this massive battle for the Iron Throne only to have the undead kill all of the living and win it at the end, so in essence they were a plot device for the bigger battle that has been there since the start and is now looming again, the north vs the south.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 12:58:02 PM: The show spent the last several season telling us that North vs. South was not the important battle though. I do agree, there was no way the Night King, as is at least, was going to win the throne and everything is dead at the end. I didn't think it would be that grim of an ending. I do think they could have wrote it so the Night King didn't die last episode, I don't think that was needed or necessary, but I don't think ending that storyline was either mostly because I, personally, feel like the show cut that whole "what are the others" part of the show into just zombies. And if thats the case, fine, but then all the symbolism and azor ahai and prophecies that were in the show all along feel kind of meaningless with regards to the long night.

I guess maybe the show can still add things in to make explanations, maybe via Bran, but putting the dead army as a plot device just makes me upset.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 01:12:32 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
The show spent the last several season telling us that North vs. South was not the important battle though. I do agree, there was no way the Night King, as is at least, was going to win the throne and everything is dead at the end. I didn't think it would be that grim of an ending. I do think they could have wrote it so the Night King didn't die last episode, I don't think that was needed or necessary, but I don't think ending that storyline was either mostly because I, personally, feel like the show cut that whole "what are the others" part of the show into just zombies. And if thats the case, fine, but then all the symbolism and azor ahai and prophecies that were in the show all along feel kind of meaningless with regards to the long night.

I guess maybe the show can still add things in to make explanations, maybe via Bran, but putting the dead army as a plot device just makes me upset.

I mean....I don't think they cut anything short. There's only three episodes left to go....rather than have the 'last' battle be between the Night King and humanity they chose to do it now....almost at the end. I don't think there needed to be much more added to it as far as to 'why' or 'who' the Night King was. Bran and Sam told us last episode.....he/they were just evil who wanted to erase man and the memory of man from the world. We were shown the Night Kings origins before....I guess I don't understand 'what' else people were wanting from this? The Night King was never going to talk.....there was never going to be a scroll or revelation made that explained the Wights and the Night King verse for verse. That story ran it's course.....and it was a good story at that.

The fact the show runners (and Martin I'm assuming since he's been consulted and has given direction for the story) have 'saved' the battle for the Iron Throne as the last chapter of the show makes perfect sense. The show is called 'Game of Thrones' and the characters left are all invested in one another and their individual stories have been leading us to this direct clash of story lines. While the Night King and his mission was indeed much more perilous for mankind in that world and more 'important'....he's been defeated....it's over....and there's nothing wrong with having gotten that aspect of the show out of the way first.

As far as the Azor Ahi and prophecies.....we saw a couple times that these prophecies were just bunk from the Red Woman
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 01:19:08 PM: I'm certainly not upset they ended the walker threat first, just upset the show didn't get into their own history and lore more. Remember when we saw the land beyond the north when the Wight brought a craster baby to the Night King.

However, I did watch the After the Thrones show while eating lunch today and they brought up this same point and their response was that HBO is doing a spinoff based on the long night and they aren't going to dive into anymore in this show and save it for that one.

I do think part of this could be from watching/reading so many theories, theories that made sense and put a lot of "puzzle pieces" together to come up with explanations of the wights that were so much more interesting and made more sense than just zombies so the way this ended without anymore just felt flat (aka the puzzle pieces don't mean anything and they are just zombies). (although the actual killing by Arya was badass, I'm talking more from a storytelling perspective).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 01:26:28 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
The show spent the last several season telling us that North vs. South was not the important battle though.

The show did not tell us that. Jon Snow did. ONE character felt that this was the more important battle. He convinced many other characters that it was important, but he did not convince Cersei. Fans need to not confuse what the show is about vs. what Jon Snow cares about.

The show, along with the books, has always been about three main plots:

1. The war for the Iron Throne
2. The Wall/Night's Watch/Wildlings/White Walkers
3. Dany in the east.

Dany is in Westeros and has joined in the war for the throne. This was the conclusion of the second plot. There are three episodes left, and the only thing of importance is the Iron Throne. It's the one plot that this show kicked off with in season 1 - Robert Baratheon's children ascending to a throne that never belonged to them based on their bloodline.

The show is coming full circle - the Lannisters took the throne in Season 1, and in the final season, Dany and her army are in Westeros and gunning for them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 01:31:27 PM: Quote from: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
The show spent the last several season telling us that North vs. South was not the important battle though.

The show did not tell us that. Jon Snow did. ONE character felt that this was the more important battle. He convinced many other characters that it was important, but he did not convince Cersei. Fans need to not confuse what the show is about vs. what Jon Snow cares about.

OK, so one of the main characters has been saying it for several season and convinced everyone (including Cersei btw, she just didn't go along with it but she believed it) is not the same as the show saying it? That's just semantics, but it's clearly been a point about "the bigger picture" that has been big in the books and the show.

And don't confuse my dislike of handling the end of the wights for "ending the show" of course this needs to come to an end, that's why we are here watching. My point is the show set up expectations for more than just "oh that's it" type of feeling I have now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 29, 2019, 01:33:59 PM: Quote from: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
The show spent the last several season telling us that North vs. South was not the important battle though.

The show did not tell us that. Jon Snow did.

But he's the main character though :lol To me, that's the show's creators speaking directly to us. It'd be like saying not to listen to Doc Brown when it comes to the importance of not fucking with the space time continuum because he's just a single character.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 29, 2019, 01:40:41 PM: Quote from: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
The show spent the last several season telling us that North vs. South was not the important battle though.

The show did not tell us that. Jon Snow did. ONE character felt that this was the more important battle. He convinced many other characters that it was important, but he did not convince Cersei. Fans need to not confuse what the show is about vs. what Jon Snow cares about.

The show, along with the books, has always been about three main plots:

1. The war for the Iron Throne
2. The Wall/Night's Watch/Wildlings/White Walkers
3. Dany in the east.

Dany is in Westeros and has joined in the war for the throne. This was the conclusion of the second plot. There are three episodes left, and the only thing of importance is the Iron Throne. It's the one plot that this show kicked off with in season 1 - Robert Baratheon's children ascending to a throne that never belonged to them based on their bloodline.

The show is coming full circle - the Lannisters took the throne in Season 1, and in the final season, Dany and her army are in Westeros and gunning for them.
GRRM has said on I think multiple occasions that the books are an allegory for people fighting for power and ignoring the bigger issues that will destroy us all. So no, it's not just "one character" saying it. It's literally one of the key themes of the whole series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2019, 02:09:58 PM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: Grappler on April 29, 2019, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
The show spent the last several season telling us that North vs. South was not the important battle though.

The show did not tell us that. Jon Snow did.

But he's the main character though :lol
Is he? I thought that Ned Stark was.

Of course, then I thought that Rob Stark was.

And then, of course, I thought that Danaerys Targaryen was.

Or perhaps Tyrion Lanister.

Or we could just acknowledge the truth, that there is no main character. This is the ensemblest of all ensemble shows.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 03:07:24 PM: Someone on Reddit pointed out a very cool nugget... the Night King was created by a small girl who put a knife into his chest under a Weirwood tree. He was killed by a small girl who put a knife into his (lower) chest under a Weirwood tree. With the dagger that was intended to kill Bran, given to her by Bran.

Arya's name sounds like 'aria.' The definition of an aria:
"a long accompanied song for a solo voice, typically one in an opera or oratorio."

Arya's arc is one long, lonely story accompanied by a few passing characters, in a much larger story. Intentional or not I think that's a cool connection...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 04:19:23 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 03:07:24 PM
Someone on Reddit pointed out a very cool nugget... the Night King was created by a small girl who put a knife into his chest under a Weirwood tree. He was killed by a small girl who put a knife into his (lower) chest under a Weirwood tree. With the dagger that was intended to kill Bran, given to her by Bran.

Arya's name sounds like 'aria.' The definition of an aria:
"a long accompanied song for a solo voice, typically one in an opera or oratorio."

Arya's arc is one long, lonely story accompanied by a few passing characters, in a much larger story. Intentional or not I think that's a cool connection...

Actually a pretty cool point.

So sorry to get back on the hate train, but the more I think about this episode, the more meh I think it is. I think it has 2 things going for it and 1 thing working against it.

Going for it...1) The acting....whatever these characters do, dumb or not, the actors are all doing a FANTASTIC job. I was thoroughly impressed by all of them I think. 2) The director. This was such a COOL episode, almost entirely because of how masterfully it was directed. So props to those two things.

Against it........the writing. I know people disagree, but I think more and more of this episode falls into lazy writing for me. They seemed sooooo focused on what looks cool and what is cool that they didn't care about much else. Yes, this episode is VERY cool, but also amazingly shallow. Scenes appear to be designed around what looks awesome and what will make the audience the most tense, as opposed to making much sense or being well-crafted. It's a shame since the show used to be all about the writing, and now the writing seems to be the weakest part of the show.

Hoping the last 3 episodes are an improvement, but not counting on it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 06:06:07 PM: I may have overlooked any post mentioning it, but they did a terrific job with the music. The score that played during the final sequence when the Night King was approaching Bran was absolutely fantastic.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 06:27:13 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 06:06:07 PM
I may have overlooked any post mentioning it, but they did a terrific job with the music. The score that played during the final sequence when the Night King was approaching Bran was absolutely fantastic.

Ugh, the music was sooo horrible. I didn't hear ANY arpeggios, or odd time signatures. DO THEY EVEN POLY RHYTHM BRO?!?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 29, 2019, 06:43:54 PM: :lol

they've been really good with the music :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 29, 2019, 06:50:28 PM: The music for the show has always been fitting and very complimentary of the scenes, since season 3 I feel they have been extraordinary and each season has some very memorable tracks. Last night's episode was no exception. The end scene theme is a derivation of the 'Light of the Seven' track.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2019, 06:59:38 PM: Quote from: Adami on April 29, 2019, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 29, 2019, 03:07:24 PM
Someone on Reddit pointed out a very cool nugget... the Night King was created by a small girl who put a knife into his chest under a Weirwood tree. He was killed by a small girl who put a knife into his (lower) chest under a Weirwood tree. With the dagger that was intended to kill Bran, given to her by Bran.

Arya's name sounds like 'aria.' The definition of an aria:
"a long accompanied song for a solo voice, typically one in an opera or oratorio."

Arya's arc is one long, lonely story accompanied by a few passing characters, in a much larger story. Intentional or not I think that's a cool connection...

Actually a pretty cool point.

So sorry to get back on the hate train, but the more I think about this episode, the more meh I think it is. I think it has 2 things going for it and 1 thing working against it.

Going for it...1) The acting....whatever these characters do, dumb or not, the actors are all doing a FANTASTIC job. I was thoroughly impressed by all of them I think. 2) The director. This was such a COOL episode, almost entirely because of how masterfully it was directed. So props to those two things.

Against it........the writing. I know people disagree, but I think more and more of this episode falls into lazy writing for me. They seemed sooooo focused on what looks cool and what is cool that they didn't care about much else. Yes, this episode is VERY cool, but also amazingly shallow. Scenes appear to be designed around what looks awesome and what will make the audience the most tense, as opposed to making much sense or being well-crafted. It's a shame since the show used to be all about the writing, and now the writing seems to be the weakest part of the show.

Hoping the last 3 episodes are an improvement, but not counting on it.

Totally get your point Adami but this is not new or a surprise. Once the source material dried up and they didn’t have that to draw from the writing dropped a notch.

But it hasn’t ruined the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 07:31:57 PM: Emilia Clarke walks around Times Square dressed like Jon Snow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acqxeL8mQvw

This is so hilarious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM: Majorly disappointed in that last episode.

Arya’s battle has always been against those who betrayed her father and the Stark family. Vengeance is what drives her. She’s not “no one”. She’s Arya f-ing STARK, as she proclaims. This is what makes her story compelling, narratively. Her time to shine was King’s Landing.

Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it. They’ve built the whole series around prophecy, mysticism, clever plot twists, and they end that whole arc with Arya jumping out of nowhere like a monkey and stabbing the NK. Not compelling, to me, at all. Hell, even Theon killing the Night King would have been more profound.

Bran continues to be useless, as do the Dragons, and Jon’s arc was basically neutered as well. Now that humanity is safe does it even really matter who has the Throne?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 30, 2019, 02:32:55 AM: Joining in as well. Lots of interesting discussions in the last pages, I agree with most of the point Chino made.

This was the darkest episode of the series. And I mean it literally because you couldn't see a damn thing :lol

I have to think a lot about it and maybe rewatch it. So far, I'm in the "not like it" camp.

Many things were quite cool however:

- Melisandre shows up calmly, "need fire bitches?", lights up all the swords and the Dothraki charge against the wights. Hurray! badass moments! and then all the lights go out one by one and people in Winterfell are all "Well, fffffuuuuuuu" and the few survivors run back in full "Nope nope nope nope" mode. What a brilliant way to set the tone for the battle.

- Lyanna Mormont going out like the badass she is. Best death scene of the episode.

- The music in the final moments was surpassed only by Light of the Seven, which I think it will go down as the most beautiful piece of music of the entire series. But still, awesome score.

- As previously reported, I find totally belieavable both the Hound being scared by fire, and Arya ninjng her way out of the rooms.

- Totally predictable, and I actually said it out loud, but Arya telling Sansa to "stick them with the pointy end" was awesome.

- People overanalyzed every absurd detail of the book and of the show.... but I bet no one figured out what Melisandre actually meant in early season about Arya closing "brown, green and BLUE eyes". Well done, very very well done.

- The ever unpenetrable and inscrutable Night King gets roasted by Dany, does not die and.... smiles. What a wicked, eerie smile. Also Jon running desperately for him and the Night King raising the dead like "piss off and leave me alone bro". Chilling.

And now, for the complaints....

- Plot Armor. Plot armor everywhere. It's a battle - some will survive, some will die. But I expect the survivor to kick ass and fight, not to repeatedly not-die over and over. Jaimie, Brienne and Sam spent the whole episode being surrounded by wights and not dying. Seriously, why wimpy, scared, fat Sam is still alive? ok, people came to rescue him more than once but come on. And also Dany is about to get killed and OF COURSE she's saved at the last second, and OF COURSE it's Jorah.

- Maybe it's me not following everything but... is Tormund alive? is Pod alive? is Rhaegal alive? couldn't figure out shit.

- The final showdown... this is it? Ninja Arya comes out jumping of fucking nowhere and kills the Night King and the entire existential menace is over? that's it?

Look, I appreciate Arya having the skills and the determination to do the unthinkable, but there's a thin line between kickass hero action, and "Screw the plot and the logic because the hero has to do something awesome".

Think of these scenes from other movies:

- X Men 2 I believe. The one with the battle on Alcatraz. Wolverine is facing Magneto but it was just a distraction to allow the blue hairy dude to surprise him from behind and stab him with the anti mutant gene or whatever it was. The hero renounces the "big kill" to do teamwork.

- Lord of the Rings, Pippin stabbing the Witchking. He was right there with Eowyn while the Nazgul attacked them. He was loyal to her friend and he was small and unnoticed, while the Nazgul was concentrated on Eowyn. He was right there, and his small size helped him.

These are both logical situations. Arya jumping out of fucking nowhere is not. Where did she jump from? how did she slip past the White Walkers, which were after all between her and the Night King so it's not like she was hidden in the trees behind Bran?

Also, they were clever enough to surround Winterfell with trenches of fire, but their plan for defending Bran, who was a 1000% sure target of the Night King, was "let Reek and 20 sea rapists defend him"? you know there's a chance the most dangerous creature in the whole of Westeros will go after a specific person in a specific, enclosed space and you don't booby trap the place? just, dunno, hide archers with dragonglass arrows in the trees and ambush the White Walkers, they could have had that, with some White Walkers being killed, the Night King being distracted but still kicking ass and killing people, and Arya being the wild card like Pippin was in Lord of the Rings, and doing her fatal kill.

Now, onto the "the battle for the Iron Throne was always the final issue" - I agree with Jon Snow and those who point out that the overarching theme of the entire saga is that people's squabbles don't mean anything in front of a bigger threat. With this resolution, they proved Cersei right - she was right in letting the undead and the North battle each other, now the existential threat of the White Walkers is over, and Dany has a very weakened army. Cersei was right and Jaimie was a stupid idealistic fool in wanting to fight, congratulations on making the big bad of the show being the only one who knew what to do I guess.

And about how it could have gone... well, the details should be thought out, but in broad terms: Winterfell is lost and the survivors escape. The Night King conquers Westeros and reaches King's Landing. Everyone realizes that they should have bonded together to save Westeros. Through mayhem and destruction, the Night King is eventually defeated, and then the fight for the Iron Throne is resolved, only after Westeros has gone through an existential threat.

I've read comments about the Night King having white eyes instead of blue in the end - I hope we overlooked some weird warging shit and that this is not the last of him and that we'll all congratulating the authors for a wicked twist. But for now I accept that they threw out all the subtetly for Holllywood blockbuster action and that the ending will be predictable and boring.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Mladen on April 30, 2019, 03:38:31 AM: Quote from: Chino on April 29, 2019, 05:57:03 AM
- Where the hell did Arya come from? The Night King was in the middle of the courtyard and she somehow made it over his posse to deliver the final blow? Was she hiding in the tree or something? Speaking of Arya, that stealth scene in the library or whatever it was felt kind of out of place for some reason. Was there a point to that other than to show off her ninja skills?

- So. Much. Plot. Armor. Holy shit. I'm almost disappointed with how few characters died. Not necessarily because they didn't die, but because of the set ups. I swear I saw BoT die on like 3 different occasions. Same with Grey Worm. Jaime, Brienne, and Pod all made it out alive after being pinned against a wall for like 20 minutes, yet the Dothroki got smothered in seconds? Jon somehow making it out when surrounded by like 1000 walkers. Dany not being able to get her dragon off the ground despite Jon's being able to brawl with the NK mid-flight? Sam spent half the episode on the ground and he still managed to make it out. Thousands of people died and somehow like 85% of the main characters got out with all their limbs. I'm sorry, but that's more fan fiction and Hollywood than what I've come to expect from this show.

- What was the point of Season 7 now? So much of that season was spent on going beyond the wall to get a dead guy to convince Cersei to fight with the North because they wouldn't win the battle otherwise. Yet here we are.
This pretty much perfectly sums up the issues I have with the episode. Some of it was just too easy. What happened to the good old days when a TRULY major character would drop dead in split of the second? Main characters fighting for their lives and being on the verge of death for minutes, yet miraculously getting out alive, doesn't feel quite Game of Thrones to me.

Otherwise, it was a fun watch with some great moments. But I still prefer the second episode of the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 30, 2019, 03:54:57 AM: Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it. They’ve built the whole series around prophecy, mysticism, clever plot twists, and they end that whole arc with Arya jumping out of nowhere like a monkey and stabbing the NK. Not compelling, to me, at all. Hell, even Theon killing the Night King would have been more profound.
I super agree with Theon killing the Night King being more unexpected. If your ending was a shitpost on forums ("lol at this point Arya is just going to steal someone's face, sneak into NK's camp and kill him" was a common complaint the first few times they forgot to nerf her), it's not unexpected.

Having the prophecy be unimportant is fine, but then you can't make it look like you're ignoring the prophecy and hoping the viewers won't notice, or that they won't watch Inside the Episode and see that you did it because it looks cool. If Melisandre offhandedly mentioned that she is sure Snow is Azor Ahai who brought many swords together, it's just a question of which sword will be his Lightbringer, it would be a nice subversion because most casual viewers wouldn't be looking out for the person wielding a dagger - and if they did, they would feel smart for figuring it out. Or even not that. There's an interesting theory about two years ago about Arya being important for the endgame (https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bik1oe/spoilers_extended_arya_stark_death_and_her/), so even in the books there is some setup for what they wanted. But they wanted it to be shocking...

I feel super stupid for brainstorming ways to make this better because I'm just a viewer of average intelligence. It's really bad when a show makes even a grounded viewer say "I'm pretty sure even I could have whipped up something better than that."

People say now that the 3ER has been a villain all along and I agree that would be interesting (the CotF didn't really like humans after all, and seeing the history of the world will make you root for the downfall of humanity), and the thought has run through my head, but honestly theorizing about that makes me feel like one of those HERE IS HOW BERNIE CAN STILL WIN folks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 30, 2019, 06:17:37 AM: I watched the episode again last night and have changed my tune a bit.

- I watched in a different location, on a different screen, and through a different service. The stream seemed much better. We jacked the brightness up and I actually saw a lot more through the darkness this time around. So much so, it entirely changed some scenes. One of those being the initial Dothraki charge. On my first watch, I couldn't tell what happened upon first contact. On my television it looked as if they ran straight into the staging undead army. Upon my second watch, it was clear the undead were already hauling ass like a tidal wave toward Winterfell. It completely changed the scene for me. The dragon flight scenes were also much clearer and discernible, as were a lot of the general fighting sequences.

- Having already seen the episode and having zero expectations of any kind, I kind of enjoyed it more. The episode was wonderfully done in terms of timing and pacing and actually showing the slow, chronological takeover of Winterfell.

- The library scene didn't bother me as much this time around. Upon first watch, I must have been distracted or something because I didn't realize Arya fled into the open window as a last ditch effort to escape a small horde. On my original watch it seemed like they just threw that in for shits, but it made more sense this time.

- Some things still really bug me. Again, the Holywood-ness was still off putting. So many times we see a main character literally getting buried in undead, screaming for their life, only for the camera to cut away and get back to them 10 minutes later somehow still fighting. It still bugs me that so many main characters got away unscathed, but what makes it even worse for me is the fact that they seem to be some of the only ones, literally, outside of those in the crypts. At the end of the episode, we saw next to nobody still standing other than the core 7 or so characters.

- While watching the Night King kill scene again, I started thinking about the time Arya was sword fighting with Brienne in Winterfell and looked up the video. We've seen similar knife work before - 2:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWKRXV7gFk

- Looking at this map or Winterfell, I guess it's at least plausible that Arya was able to get from the library to Godswood undetected.
(https://i2.wp.com/gotfan.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Winterfell-Karte.png?fit=1024%2C704&ssl=1)

- I originally rated this episode a 6/10, but I think I'd give it a solid 8/10 now. Being able to see the entire time honestly made a world of difference.

Also, I take back my prediction of the Knight King not being dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 30, 2019, 06:41:06 AM: I have no issues with Arya being able to reach the Godswood. It was the "jumping from above out of nowhere" thing that bugs me.

Beric was supposed to protect Arya. Why Jon was brought back? he didn't do anything majorly important. Was he brought back to screw up the Battle of the Bastards? to screw up the expedition beyond the wall? to randomly fly a dragon in a battle? maybe he should have gotten a chance to fight the Night King after all, with still Arya delivering the killing blow. They could have teamed up to fight him, Arya could have been tossed aside with a fist as an insolent girl, not even worth the time it would take to kill her so that the Night King could concentrate on kicking Jon's ass. Arya could have been tossed on a pile of dead, hence the excuse for her to jump from an higher point at the Night King.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 07:05:20 AM: My understanding was that Melisandre revived Jon because she thought he was Azor Ahai after mistakenly following Stannis for so long... That doesn't mean his resurrection HAD to have a purpose though. Part of the message of the show is that prophecy is more often than not bullshit. Jon got revived because of a mistaken belief in a prophecy, nothing more - not unlike how Shireen was burned for the sake of a prophecy that turned out to be bunk.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2019, 07:07:48 AM: Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Arya’s battle has always been against those who betrayed her father and the Stark family. Vengeance is what drives her. She’s not “no one”. She’s Arya f-ing STARK, as she proclaims. This is what makes her story compelling, narratively. Her time to shine was King’s Landing.

Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it.
I don't know, man. She's the only trained assassin in the bunch.

She is the only one that I would have sent against the one guy we need to kill. Makes perfect sense to me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 30, 2019, 07:17:22 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on April 30, 2019, 07:05:20 AM
My understanding was that Melisandre revived Jon because she thought he was Azor Ahai after mistakenly following Stannis for so long... That doesn't mean his resurrection HAD to have a purpose though. Part of the message of the show is that prophecy is more often than not bullshit. Jon got revived because of a mistaken belief in a prophecy, nothing more - not unlike how Shireen was burned for the sake of a prophecy that turned out to be bunk.

I could get behind the "prophecies are bullshit" thing, and it's been stated that Melisandre sees legit visions in the flame, but as much as the show authors with what little information they get from GRRM, she makes shit up trying to do her best guessing what is right, hence the fuckups.

But still, the lord of light, or something that is mistaken for the lord of light, is "real". Stannis and Sandor Clegane DID see something in the flames. Thoros and Melisandre both have powers of resurrection. Melisandre stated that she didn't resurrect Jon - she was allowed to do so bt the lord of light. Beric was allowed to return, it was not a drunkass priest bringing him back. Hence why the resurrected people are supposed to serve a purpouse, even if the reasons are unknown and people interpreting possible signs are wrong about it.

So we are to believe that Thoros and Melisandre both had resurrection powers all along? that they could inspire other people to see stuff in the flames? the prophecies are bullshit and so is the lord of light but yet a priestess and a random drunk have resurrecting powers of their own? feels inconsistent to me...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 07:19:11 AM: Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Arya’s battle has always been against those who betrayed her father and the Stark family. Vengeance is what drives her. She’s not “no one”. She’s Arya f-ing STARK, as she proclaims. This is what makes her story compelling, narratively. Her time to shine was King’s Landing.

I know that I look like the defender of the ~~realm~~ episode but there are some takes in this post I want to push back on :smiley:

This is simply projection of your wishes for the story onto what actually happened. You say that, but what about the Valonqar prophecy? Tyrion or Jaime and their 'time to shine?' Why does Arya take priority over them, why can't the only trained assassin in the North sneak up on the bad guy with really quick reflexes?

Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it. They’ve built the whole series around prophecy, mysticism, clever plot twists, and they end that whole arc with Arya jumping out of nowhere like a monkey and stabbing the NK. Not compelling, to me, at all. Hell, even Theon killing the Night King would have been more profound.

They may have built the series around prophecy and mysticism but we've already seen prophecy and mysticism to be horseshit fairly often. There's an argument to be made that having Arya sneak into the Godswood and upon the Night King is a clever plot twist (girl creates Night King by shoving dagger into man's chest under Weirwood; girl kills Night King by shoving dagger into Night King's chest under Weirwood, with the dagger meant to kill Bran, given to her by Bran). It's also a Stark defending another Stark, at Winterfell. How would Theon killing the Night King make more sense than Arya? Genuinely curious on that, because I don't have the answer.

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Bran continues to be useless, as do the Dragons, and Jon’s arc was basically neutered as well. Now that humanity is safe does it even really matter who has the Throne?

Bran literally lured the Night King into the Godswood. How is that useless? Jon's "arc" isn't neutered, he was never confirmed to be a prophetic warrior of the Lord of Light, if anything his arc has gotten better since he and Dany are aware of his Targaryen heritage.

And does it matter who has the throne... dude! YES! Have you not been watching this show? Daenerys is inching closer to becoming a typical Targaryen ruler and talks of breaking the wheel, but ruling the Seven Kingdoms is not breaking the wheel; Jon could be a good ruler but is reluctant to be one; Cersei wants to dominate the land and thinks only of those closest to her, and it looks like Euron is proposing to her next episode. This absolutely matters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 07:20:38 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 30, 2019, 07:17:22 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on April 30, 2019, 07:05:20 AM
My understanding was that Melisandre revived Jon because she thought he was Azor Ahai after mistakenly following Stannis for so long... That doesn't mean his resurrection HAD to have a purpose though. Part of the message of the show is that prophecy is more often than not bullshit. Jon got revived because of a mistaken belief in a prophecy, nothing more - not unlike how Shireen was burned for the sake of a prophecy that turned out to be bunk.

I could get behind the "prophecies are bullshit" thing, and it's been stated that Melisandre sees legit visions in the flame, but as much as the show authors with what little information they get from GRRM, she makes shit up trying to do her best guessing what is right, hence the fuckups.

But still, the lord of light, or something that is mistaken for the lord of light, is "real". Stannis and Sandor Clegane DID see something in the flames. Thoros and Melisandre both have powers of resurrection. Melisandre stated that she didn't resurrect Jon - she was allowed to do so bt the lord of light. Beric was allowed to return, it was not a drunkass priest bringing him back. Hence why the resurrected people are supposed to serve a purpouse, even if the reasons are unknown and people interpreting possible signs are wrong about it.

So we are to believe that Thoros and Melisandre both had resurrection powers all along? that they could inspire other people to see stuff in the flames? the prophecies are bullshit and so is the lord of light but yet a priestess and a random drunk have resurrecting powers of their own? feels inconsistent to me...

Real question: are you expecting answers on the subjective behaviors of an allegedly real deity? Because I can't answer why the Lord of Light acts in the ways he does. You're trying to apply logic to a god, brother, and that's gonna give you headaches. Sometimes, God fucks you, and sometimes, even the most faithful misplace their faith. Thoros isn't a random drunk, either. He's a red priest that happens to be a drunk.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 30, 2019, 07:47:37 AM: Yeah, sure, we can't expect logic from a god not even his actual priests understand, I was just pointing out how something true had to be there.

The show presents these facts:
- Some priests of the lord of light resurrect people
- Said priests can get people to watch visions in the flame

I completely accept that they misunderstand everything and they don't even know what they're doing, but it's been told that they manage to do what they do because they are allowed to do it. Melisandre mistakenly believing Stannis is a demigod is fine with me.... Melisandre resurrecting someone who doesn't mean shit in the great scheme of things is a bit weird. I guess we'll have to accept "the lord of light is a trolling asshole who allows useless resurrections just because a priest asks nicely following the correct formula" as explanation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 07:49:48 AM: I don't even think it's that. I think it's just that Melisandre was wrong in interpreting the prophecies. Resurrections are possible, but not always because there's a divine purpose behind it. She was correct when she looked at Arya, but the Azor Ahai nonsense? She was played for a fool by her own faith - and I think that's a strong theme of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2019, 07:51:57 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 30, 2019, 02:32:55 AM
I've read comments about the Night King having white eyes instead of blue in the end - I hope we overlooked some weird warging shit and that this is not the last of him and that we'll all congratulating the authors for a wicked twist. But for now I accept that they threw out all the subtetly for Holllywood blockbuster action and that the ending will be predictable and boring.

I was listening to Alt Shift X's live Q&A after the episode (Apparently if I leave the video open after the episode, I can still watch it the next day) and he was pretty strongly against all this Arya and Night King stuff just because it seems to go far off from the books and prophecies. I've tried to keep my complaints about the show separate from the issue of not following the books (because well, the books don't exist for this) but he kept going on saying he strongly believes the Night King isn't dead. I'm thinking if that is true, that there's still more to this story then my own complaints may not be valid before the story is over. However, like you, as much as I hope they have some good storytelling to do here still, I am guessing this ending will be hollywood 101.

as for Melisandre, the LoL also seemed to let her know she would die in Westeros and that Arya would kill the Night King. She also wasn't even human or not a normal human with that necklace. I feel like there is a lot of mystery around her that we won't learn about.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 30, 2019, 08:06:51 AM: Regarding the Night King not being dead theory, I don't think with 3 episodes left, that is a story they will make a focus on again. If he does have some power left he may resurrect in some weak form and that might be it. That's my take. I think they will focus back to the politics for the remaining episodes and I think that's where the real carnage will happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2019, 08:10:44 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2019, 07:07:48 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Arya’s battle has always been against those who betrayed her father and the Stark family. Vengeance is what drives her. She’s not “no one”. She’s Arya f-ing STARK, as she proclaims. This is what makes her story compelling, narratively. Her time to shine was King’s Landing.

Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it.
I don't know, man. She's the only trained assassin in the bunch.

She is the only one that I would have sent against the one guy we need to kill. Makes perfect sense to me.

Exactly. Like she’s supposed to ignore the fight or Noght King to make sure she gets to kill Cersi?

Seems to me Joaquin knew from early on how important she’d be.....probably knew about the Night King and all that as well and trained her then allowed her to leave.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 30, 2019, 06:08:50 PM: (https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/59106265_2328388097481663_1340023100497985536_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.fbed1-1.fna&oh=9f95adb51eca3391af69b05f1ea7f3f0&oe=5D6C5488)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2019, 06:25:34 PM: :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on April 30, 2019, 06:26:17 PM: "I'm gonna tell you the same thing I told Gendry....use the pointy end"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 01, 2019, 02:18:17 AM: Quote from: Adami on April 30, 2019, 06:26:17 PM
"I'm gonna tell you the same thing I told Gendry....use the pointy end"

:lol

Can't find the image right now but I saw one of the Patrick Stewart meme, the one in "WTF" pose with the hand streched out, that was like:

SEASON 1: "How come the protagonist is dead???"
SEASON 8: "How come the protagonists are still alive???"

:lol

Speaking of alive protagonists - what Jamie's gonna do now? "Ok guys, it has been a pleasure to defend the realm of the living, guess now I'll go back to Cersei and help her destroying you..."? I'm not sure he thought it through, thinking beyond the possible victory against the White Walkers...

Also, who's gonna get Cersei? Arya already got the big kill, it's unlikely she's gonna kill Cersei as well, and the show left out, in the first scene of Season 5, the part of the prophecy to young Cersei which referred to the "little brother" killing her... maybe it's gonna be Dany or Jon, by now I expect her demise to be the most blockbusterish of 'em all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 01, 2019, 05:56:04 AM: Sansa is going to take down Cersei with the pointy end, possibly defending Tyrion after Bronn fails to kill him. It'd be sweet revenge for what Joffrey did to both of them. Sansa and Tyrion will end up ruling because Dany's going to die and Jon's going to be like "I'm going to rebuild and be king of the North instead". Speaking of, maybe Bronn actually kills Jaime? He did have that line "Listen to me, cunt. Till I get what I'm owed, a dragon doesn't get to kill you. You don't get to kill you. Only I get to kill you.".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 06:43:08 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 01, 2019, 05:56:04 AM
Sansa is going to take down Cersei with the pointy end, possibly defending Tyrion after Bronn fails to kill him. It'd be sweet revenge for what Joffrey did to both of them. Sansa and Tyrion will end up ruling because Dany's going to die and Jon's going to be like "I'm going to rebuild and be king of the North instead". Speaking of, maybe Bronn actually kills Jaime? He did have that line "Listen to me, cunt. Till I get what I'm owed, a dragon doesn't get to kill you. You don't get to kill you. Only I get to kill you.".

The only reason I could see Bronn turning on Jamie/Tyrion is if they say they can't pay him what Cersei is paying them. He's said all along he goes to the highest bidder and it seems like there's nothing left in the North so I can't see how they could pay him. I have a real hard time believing Bronn turns, but it is within his character to do so I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 07:30:23 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 07:31:57 PM
Emilia Clarke walks around Times Square dressed like Jon Snow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acqxeL8mQvw

This is so hilarious.

Nobody watched this?? ??? ??? :( :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 01, 2019, 07:47:40 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 07:31:57 PM
Emilia Clarke walks around Times Square dressed like Jon Snow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acqxeL8mQvw

This is so hilarious.

Nobody watched this?? ??? ??? :( :(

I did. I wish it was more of her interacting with people in disguise and less advertising for whatever it was.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 01, 2019, 08:38:50 AM: I was speaking with some friends at work, and while we are all enjoying Season 8, we are pretty nervous that the season is going to end with everything feeling super rushed. I really wish they did ten episodes in Season 7 and ten episodes this year. Even something as simple as splitting the Battle of Winterfell between several episodes and maybe even having two battles with the Night King instead of one would have been more satisfying, at least in my opinion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 08:46:20 AM: I think when the Seasons done and you can look at it as a whole it'll be fine.

Honestly, the only 'issue' I've seen is since there hasn't been any source material to extrapolate from for a couple seasons now.....the 'fan theories' have been in full throttle mode and when/if they don't happen people are getting pretty mad...it's the same fate that SW's is suffering from. A lot of folks believe 'their' version of how it should go is better than what they're seeing.

to Adami's continuing point....the writing and character depth has suffered with the lack of GRM's books and writing etc etc to draw from. They've replaced the nuance of the show with a more simplified version. For me, doesn't bother me or matter much. Still enjoying the heck out of the show and I'm sure I'll be satisfied with what they give us. GRM consulted them and has 'directed' them on the path that he's going to take the books.....but, if you're looking to 'blame' anyone it should be GRM himself as he's had ample time to produce the next installment of his books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 01, 2019, 08:55:45 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 08:46:20 AM
I think when the Seasons done and you can look at it as a whole it'll be fine.

Honestly, the only 'issue' I've seen is since there hasn't been any source material to extrapolate from for a couple seasons now.....the 'fan theories' have been in full throttle mode and when/if they don't happen people are getting pretty mad...it's the same fate that SW's is suffering from. A lot of folks believe 'their' version of how it should go is better than what they're seeing.

to Adami's continuing point....the writing and character depth has suffered with the lack of GRM's books and writing etc etc to draw from. They've replaced the nuance of the show with a more simplified version. For me, doesn't bother me or matter much. Still enjoying the heck out of the show and I'm sure I'll be satisfied with what they give us. GRM consulted them and has 'directed' them on the path that he's going to take the books.....but, if you're looking to 'blame' anyone it should be GRM himself as he's had ample time to produce the next installment of his books.

I love this post and your assessments. At the end of the day, it's a TV show. Nothing more. A fantastic one at that - I'm enjoying going on the journey and not spending much time on what is or isn't in the show, or nit picking everything to death. If they end the show without the Azor Ahai prophecy even being touched on, I wouldn't care. With Melisandre's death, I'd think that it probably won't be brought up in the final three episodes, as she seemed to be the only character that was so focused on the prophecy.

Things will happen one way in the show and another way in the books. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 09:12:15 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 01, 2019, 07:47:40 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 07:30:23 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on April 29, 2019, 07:31:57 PM
Emilia Clarke walks around Times Square dressed like Jon Snow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acqxeL8mQvw

This is so hilarious.

Nobody watched this?? ??? ??? :( :(

I did. I wish it was more of her interacting with people in disguise and less advertising for whatever it was.

That didn't bother me, as it is for a good cause. More footage of her interacting with people would have been great, but the stuff they did show was hilarious. Her looks at the camera when people were puzzled as to what she was saying and asking were gold.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 09:53:30 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2019, 08:10:44 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2019, 07:07:48 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Arya’s battle has always been against those who betrayed her father and the Stark family. Vengeance is what drives her. She’s not “no one”. She’s Arya f-ing STARK, as she proclaims. This is what makes her story compelling, narratively. Her time to shine was King’s Landing.

Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it.
I don't know, man. She's the only trained assassin in the bunch.

She is the only one that I would have sent against the one guy we need to kill. Makes perfect sense to me.

Exactly. Like she’s supposed to ignore the fight or Noght King to make sure she gets to kill Cersi?

Seems to me Joaquin knew from early on how important she’d be.....probably knew about the Night King and all that as well and trained her then allowed her to leave.

No, I’m saying there are other characters in the show that would have been more compelling in this story to take down the Night King. Maybe do SOMETHING with Bran? Maybe do SOMETHING with Jon Snow? A plot twist? Something clever? Literally ANYTHING would have been better than that. Maybe give me a reason to why I should have cared about that arc? Honestly, now that the NK is dead does it even matter who sits on the Throne? If so, why? Part of the imperative of that was the threat of the dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 01, 2019, 09:57:03 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 08:46:20 AM
I think when the Seasons done and you can look at it as a whole it'll be fine.

Honestly, the only 'issue' I've seen is since there hasn't been any source material to extrapolate from for a couple seasons now.....the 'fan theories' have been in full throttle mode and when/if they don't happen people are getting pretty mad...it's the same fate that SW's is suffering from. A lot of folks believe 'their' version of how it should go is better than what they're seeing.

to Adami's continuing point....the writing and character depth has suffered with the lack of GRM's books and writing etc etc to draw from. They've replaced the nuance of the show with a more simplified version. For me, doesn't bother me or matter much. Still enjoying the heck out of the show and I'm sure I'll be satisfied with what they give us. GRM consulted them and has 'directed' them on the path that he's going to take the books.....but, if you're looking to 'blame' anyone it should be GRM himself as he's had ample time to produce the next installment of his books.

Great post.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 09:58:36 AM: Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2019, 08:10:44 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2019, 07:07:48 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Arya’s battle has always been against those who betrayed her father and the Stark family. Vengeance is what drives her. She’s not “no one”. She’s Arya f-ing STARK, as she proclaims. This is what makes her story compelling, narratively. Her time to shine was King’s Landing.

Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it.
I don't know, man. She's the only trained assassin in the bunch.

She is the only one that I would have sent against the one guy we need to kill. Makes perfect sense to me.

Exactly. Like she’s supposed to ignore the fight or Noght King to make sure she gets to kill Cersi?

Seems to me Joaquin knew from early on how important she’d be.....probably knew about the Night King and all that as well and trained her then allowed her to leave.

No, I’m saying there are other characters in the show that would have been more compelling in this story to take down the Night King. Maybe do SOMETHING with Bran? Maybe do SOMETHING with Jon Snow? A plot twist? Something clever? Literally ANYTHING would have been better than that. Maybe give me a reason to why I should have cared about this show? Honestly, now that the NK is dead does it even matter who sits on the Throne? If so, why? Part of the imperative of that was the threat of the dead.

The only thing I have against Arya killing the NK is that it seems to go against the Azor Ahai prophecy. Other than that, it does make sense and the episode actually gave us clues and reasoning to believe why she could do it (The library scene showed how smooth and quiet she is, we knew this from her training, but we see it in this scene, and of course Melisandre's words). The killing itself with the dagger drop, the dagger from Bran, was also really cool. There's no reason to think she couldn't play a big role in Kings Landing too, in fact, I almost wonder if she dies in Kings Landing now since she got her big heroic moment and payoff now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2019, 09:58:40 AM: Sigh. Once again, the Night King dying doesn't suddenly invalidate everything else in the show or the war for the throne. What do you think Stannis's arc was about? Renly's? Tywin's? Cersei? Daenerys? And on and on and on. You ask, "If so, why?" Because time is linear, and the world moves on. The Night King is dead, but Cersei is still in power, ready to destroy what is left of the North's army, enfeeble them and force them into submission once again, and continue ruling with an iron fist, building her dynasty, as she's pregnant with one last child.

I get not being happy with the Night King but acting like the rest of the show is invalidated now is insane. How's about we see what the last 4 hours of the show have in store before saying 'nothing matters'?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 10:05:26 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 01, 2019, 05:56:04 AM
Sansa is going to take down Cersei with the pointy end, possibly defending Tyrion after Bronn fails to kill him. It'd be sweet revenge for what Joffrey did to both of them. Sansa and Tyrion will end up ruling because Dany's going to die and Jon's going to be like "I'm going to rebuild and be king of the North instead". Speaking of, maybe Bronn actually kills Jaime? He did have that line "Listen to me, cunt. Till I get what I'm owed, a dragon doesn't get to kill you. You don't get to kill you. Only I get to kill you.".

And maybe the Hound saving Sansa from getting raped ages ago is a foreshadowing as well, having him save her from the Mountain would be a great set up for Clegane Bowl.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 10:11:19 AM: Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2019, 08:10:44 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2019, 07:07:48 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Arya’s battle has always been against those who betrayed her father and the Stark family. Vengeance is what drives her. She’s not “no one”. She’s Arya f-ing STARK, as she proclaims. This is what makes her story compelling, narratively. Her time to shine was King’s Landing.

Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it.
I don't know, man. She's the only trained assassin in the bunch.

She is the only one that I would have sent against the one guy we need to kill. Makes perfect sense to me.

Exactly. Like she’s supposed to ignore the fight or Noght King to make sure she gets to kill Cersi?

Seems to me Joaquin knew from early on how important she’d be.....probably knew about the Night King and all that as well and trained her then allowed her to leave.

No, I’m saying there are other characters in the show that would have been more compelling in this story to take down the Night King. Maybe do SOMETHING with Bran? Maybe do SOMETHING with Jon Snow? A plot twist? Something clever? Literally ANYTHING would have been better than that. Maybe give me a reason to why I should have cared about that arc? Honestly, now that the NK is dead does it even matter who sits on the Throne? If so, why? Part of the imperative of that was the threat of the dead.

they did something with Bran. Bran appears to have know the entire time 'where' the Night King would die and 'how' he'd be killed....and even by who. Can you imagine the criticism they'd have faced had Jon Snow actually been the one to kill the Night King....how 'predictable' that'd have been?

Who else could have done it? They gave Dany a shot and TNK was immune to Dragon Fire. It'd have made zero sense for Brienne, Jamie, Poddirck, Grey Work, Daavos etc etc to have been the one to kill TNK.

Yet, we've had Arya on this journey of training to be an assassin for literally years....seemingly personally 'chosen' by Jaqen to become a faceless man....allowed to leave after she had completed her training despite being in open rebellion to him/them. It's not hard to imagine that even Jaqen had some sort of pre-knowledge as to how important she was to the survival of man. Arya being the one to kill the Night King made the most sense out of any of them honestly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 10:12:30 AM: Quote from: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: Chino on May 01, 2019, 05:56:04 AM
Sansa is going to take down Cersei with the pointy end, possibly defending Tyrion after Bronn fails to kill him. It'd be sweet revenge for what Joffrey did to both of them. Sansa and Tyrion will end up ruling because Dany's going to die and Jon's going to be like "I'm going to rebuild and be king of the North instead". Speaking of, maybe Bronn actually kills Jaime? He did have that line "Listen to me, cunt. Till I get what I'm owed, a dragon doesn't get to kill you. You don't get to kill you. Only I get to kill you.".

And maybe the Hound saving Sansa from getting raped ages ago is a foreshadowing as well, having him save her from the Mountain would be a great set up for Clegane Bowl.

You get the feeling that the Hound is going to clear the way (kill the Mountain) for whichever character ultimately kills Cersi (IF she dies??)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 01, 2019, 10:15:55 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: Chino on May 01, 2019, 05:56:04 AM
Sansa is going to take down Cersei with the pointy end, possibly defending Tyrion after Bronn fails to kill him. It'd be sweet revenge for what Joffrey did to both of them. Sansa and Tyrion will end up ruling because Dany's going to die and Jon's going to be like "I'm going to rebuild and be king of the North instead". Speaking of, maybe Bronn actually kills Jaime? He did have that line "Listen to me, cunt. Till I get what I'm owed, a dragon doesn't get to kill you. You don't get to kill you. Only I get to kill you.".

And maybe the Hound saving Sansa from getting raped ages ago is a foreshadowing as well, having him save her from the Mountain would be a great set up for Clegane Bowl.

You get the feeling that the Hound is going to clear the way (kill the Mountain) for whichever character ultimately kills Cersi (IF she dies??)

I think that's how it will go down, though I see the Hound also dying in the process. I can't imagine Sansa actually fighting in any capacity, so my money is on her stabbing Cersei in the back, just like Jaime did to the mad king.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:17:27 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
Sigh. Once again, the Night King dying doesn't suddenly invalidate everything else in the show or the war for the throne. What do you think Stannis's arc was about? Renly's? Tywin's? Cersei? Daenerys? And on and on and on. You ask, "If so, why?" Because time is linear, and the world moves on. The Night King is dead, but Cersei is still in power, ready to destroy what is left of the North's army, enfeeble them and force them into submission once again, and continue ruling with an iron fist, building her dynasty, as she's pregnant with one last child.

I get not being happy with the Night King but acting like the rest of the show is invalidated now is insane. How's about we see what the last 4 hours of the show have in store before saying 'nothing matters'?

It's not completely invalidated, but it definitely looses it's "oomph". Again, part of the imperative to getting Cersei out of power was to unite Westeros (at least partially) to defeat the threat, which was NOT going to happen with her in power. Now the only thing driving the show is "Cersei's a meanie, Arya's a badass".

I need MORE. With 3 episodes left, I keep holding out that there is indeed more to it than that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:25:38 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 10:11:19 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2019, 08:10:44 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2019, 07:07:48 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Arya’s battle has always been against those who betrayed her father and the Stark family. Vengeance is what drives her. She’s not “no one”. She’s Arya f-ing STARK, as she proclaims. This is what makes her story compelling, narratively. Her time to shine was King’s Landing.

Having her be the catalyst to end the war and kill the NK, while “badass”, feels like either fan service or subversion for its own sake. It doesn’t really hold any weight to it.
I don't know, man. She's the only trained assassin in the bunch.

She is the only one that I would have sent against the one guy we need to kill. Makes perfect sense to me.

Exactly. Like she’s supposed to ignore the fight or Noght King to make sure she gets to kill Cersi?

Seems to me Joaquin knew from early on how important she’d be.....probably knew about the Night King and all that as well and trained her then allowed her to leave.

No, I’m saying there are other characters in the show that would have been more compelling in this story to take down the Night King. Maybe do SOMETHING with Bran? Maybe do SOMETHING with Jon Snow? A plot twist? Something clever? Literally ANYTHING would have been better than that. Maybe give me a reason to why I should have cared about that arc? Honestly, now that the NK is dead does it even matter who sits on the Throne? If so, why? Part of the imperative of that was the threat of the dead.

they did something with Bran. Bran appears to have know the entire time 'where' the Night King would die and 'how' he'd be killed....and even by who. Can you imagine the criticism they'd have faced had Jon Snow actually been the one to kill the Night King....how 'predictable' that'd have been?

Who else could have done it? They gave Dany a shot and TNK was immune to Dragon Fire. It'd have made zero sense for Brienne, Jamie, Poddirck, Grey Work, Daavos etc etc to have been the one to kill TNK.

Yet, we've had Arya on this journey of training to be an assassin for literally years....seemingly personally 'chosen' by Jaqen to become a faceless man....allowed to leave after she had completed her training despite being in open rebellion to him/them. It's not hard to imagine that even Jaqen had some sort of pre-knowledge as to how important she was to the survival of man. Arya being the one to kill the Night King made the most sense out of any of them honestly.

Why are you limiting the story that someone actually has to physically kill him? Something could have happened? Maybe involving Bran's power? Again, maybe something clever? Unexpected? A twist? I don't make millions of dollars writing TV but I think if I had a few years to figure something out, I'd be able to come up with something better than THAT?

Again, Arya's motivations and story has ALWAYS been about vengeance. That's what drives her character arc, that's what makes her anything besides a one-dimensional "badass". King's Landing is where her story has resonance (to me, anyway). Her journey had nothing to do with the Night King. And shoe-horning her into that in the last episode and making her the "savior" of the human race was not a satisfying conclusion to that arc, to me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 01, 2019, 10:44:27 AM: Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
Why are you limiting the story that someone actually has to physically kill him? Something could have happened? Maybe involving Bran's power? Again, maybe something clever? Unexpected? A twist? I don't make millions of dollars writing TV but I think if I had a few years to figure something out, I'd be able to come up with something better than THAT?

Again, Arya's motivations and story has ALWAYS been about vengeance. That's what drives her character arc, that's what makes her anything besides a one-dimensional "badass". King's Landing is where her story has resonance (to me, anyway). Her journey had nothing to do with the Night King. And shoe-horning her into that in the last episode and making her the "savior" of the human race was not a satisfying conclusion to that arc, to me.

Why are you limiting one character's motivations to only vengeance? I think wanting to live to the next day and not wanting to see your brothers, sister, friends and mankind die are pretty strong motivations. Can't Arya just put her list aside to fight with everyone else? Or should she have ridden south to King's Landing alone, rather than fight in this battle with her family?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2019, 10:56:24 AM: Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
Sigh. Once again, the Night King dying doesn't suddenly invalidate everything else in the show or the war for the throne. What do you think Stannis's arc was about? Renly's? Tywin's? Cersei? Daenerys? And on and on and on. You ask, "If so, why?" Because time is linear, and the world moves on. The Night King is dead, but Cersei is still in power, ready to destroy what is left of the North's army, enfeeble them and force them into submission once again, and continue ruling with an iron fist, building her dynasty, as she's pregnant with one last child.

I get not being happy with the Night King but acting like the rest of the show is invalidated now is insane. How's about we see what the last 4 hours of the show have in store before saying 'nothing matters'?

It's not completely invalidated, but it definitely looses it's "oomph". Again, part of the imperative to getting Cersei out of power was to unite Westeros (at least partially) to defeat the threat, which was NOT going to happen with her in power. Now the only thing driving the show is "Cersei's a meanie, Arya's a badass".

I need MORE. With 3 episodes left, I keep holding out that there is indeed more to it than that.

Watering it down to "Cersei's a meanie" really shows you don't understand Cersei as a character, the entire arc she's gone through not just 8 seasons but her whole life, and the conflict between the Lannisters and the rest of the kingdoms... but I hope you get some enjoyment out of the last few episodes nonetheless. It's just a real shame you don't see Cersei for the deep character she is - arguably the deepest in the entire series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:57:08 AM: Quote from: Grappler on May 01, 2019, 10:44:27 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
Why are you limiting the story that someone actually has to physically kill him? Something could have happened? Maybe involving Bran's power? Again, maybe something clever? Unexpected? A twist? I don't make millions of dollars writing TV but I think if I had a few years to figure something out, I'd be able to come up with something better than THAT?

Again, Arya's motivations and story has ALWAYS been about vengeance. That's what drives her character arc, that's what makes her anything besides a one-dimensional "badass". King's Landing is where her story has resonance (to me, anyway). Her journey had nothing to do with the Night King. And shoe-horning her into that in the last episode and making her the "savior" of the human race was not a satisfying conclusion to that arc, to me.

Why are you limiting one character's motivations to only vengeance? I think wanting to live to the next day and not wanting to see your brothers, sister, friends and mankind die are pretty strong motivations. Can't Arya just put her list aside to fight with everyone else? Or should she have ridden south to King's Landing alone, rather than fight in this battle with her family?

Look, no one is saying Arya couldn’t kill the Night King or have motivation to do so given the opportunity, in the LITERAL sense. I’m speaking in narrative terms, her killing the NK doesn’t elevate her character or that arc. We already knew she’s the mega badass of the show. Obviously, the writers were being purposely subversive (similar to Snoke scene in Last Jedi).

Call me crazy but maybe, JUST maybe, there were better ways to be subversive but at the same time elevating this arc that has been looming in the background of the show for 8 years. Just my opinion. Obviously many fans are satisfied with how it all panned out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 10:57:55 AM: Quote from: Grappler on May 01, 2019, 10:44:27 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
Why are you limiting the story that someone actually has to physically kill him? Something could have happened? Maybe involving Bran's power? Again, maybe something clever? Unexpected? A twist? I don't make millions of dollars writing TV but I think if I had a few years to figure something out, I'd be able to come up with something better than THAT?

Again, Arya's motivations and story has ALWAYS been about vengeance. That's what drives her character arc, that's what makes her anything besides a one-dimensional "badass". King's Landing is where her story has resonance (to me, anyway). Her journey had nothing to do with the Night King. And shoe-horning her into that in the last episode and making her the "savior" of the human race was not a satisfying conclusion to that arc, to me.

Why are you limiting one character's motivations to only vengeance? I think wanting to live to the next day and not wanting to see your brothers, sister, friends and mankind die are pretty strong motivations. Can't Arya just put her list aside to fight with everyone else? Or should she have ridden south to King's Landing alone, rather than fight in this battle with her family?

Arya made that choice. It was clear. She was headed to Kingslanding for her vengeance when she heard about Jon and Sansa being at Winterfell. She chose to go to Winterfell. It’s not out of character or out of nowhere for her to have killed TNK. It’s in fact, right along the lines of ‘who’ she is as a character.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 10:59:52 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
Sigh. Once again, the Night King dying doesn't suddenly invalidate everything else in the show or the war for the throne. What do you think Stannis's arc was about? Renly's? Tywin's? Cersei? Daenerys? And on and on and on. You ask, "If so, why?" Because time is linear, and the world moves on. The Night King is dead, but Cersei is still in power, ready to destroy what is left of the North's army, enfeeble them and force them into submission once again, and continue ruling with an iron fist, building her dynasty, as she's pregnant with one last child.

I get not being happy with the Night King but acting like the rest of the show is invalidated now is insane. How's about we see what the last 4 hours of the show have in store before saying 'nothing matters'?

It's not completely invalidated, but it definitely looses it's "oomph". Again, part of the imperative to getting Cersei out of power was to unite Westeros (at least partially) to defeat the threat, which was NOT going to happen with her in power. Now the only thing driving the show is "Cersei's a meanie, Arya's a badass".

I need MORE. With 3 episodes left, I keep holding out that there is indeed more to it than that.

Watering it down to "Cersei's a meanie" really shows you don't understand Cersei as a character, the entire arc she's gone through not just 8 seasons but her whole life, and the conflict between the Lannisters and the rest of the kingdoms... but I hope you get some enjoyment out of the last few episodes nonetheless. It's just a real shame you don't see Cersei for the deep character she is - arguably the deepest in the entire series.

Cersi as a character has been incredible to watch evolve.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 11:02:45 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
Sigh. Once again, the Night King dying doesn't suddenly invalidate everything else in the show or the war for the throne. What do you think Stannis's arc was about? Renly's? Tywin's? Cersei? Daenerys? And on and on and on. You ask, "If so, why?" Because time is linear, and the world moves on. The Night King is dead, but Cersei is still in power, ready to destroy what is left of the North's army, enfeeble them and force them into submission once again, and continue ruling with an iron fist, building her dynasty, as she's pregnant with one last child.

I get not being happy with the Night King but acting like the rest of the show is invalidated now is insane. How's about we see what the last 4 hours of the show have in store before saying 'nothing matters'?

It's not completely invalidated, but it definitely looses it's "oomph". Again, part of the imperative to getting Cersei out of power was to unite Westeros (at least partially) to defeat the threat, which was NOT going to happen with her in power. Now the only thing driving the show is "Cersei's a meanie, Arya's a badass".

I need MORE. With 3 episodes left, I keep holding out that there is indeed more to it than that.

Watering it down to "Cersei's a meanie" really shows you don't understand Cersei as a character, the entire arc she's gone through not just 8 seasons but her whole life, and the conflict between the Lannisters and the rest of the kingdoms... but I hope you get some enjoyment out of the last few episodes nonetheless. It's just a real shame you don't see Cersei for the deep character she is - arguably the deepest in the entire series.

I was mocking the general sentiment. Personally I feel like she’s super deep. I actually like the character and understand her motivations. She’s a better fledged out character than either Jon Snow, or Dany. Which is why I don’t really feel invested in who gets the Throne without some sort of higher stakes (like the NK for example).

Compare her blowing up the Sept to Arya killing the NK. Not only was it unexpected and made Cersei “badass”, the story is elevated. You see Cersei’s motivations and the lengths she’s willing to go, and at the end it costs her son. THAT’S great story telling. Arya killing the Night King is just “oh wow, so ninja, so badass”. Cool, we already know that. And as much as people try, there’s nothing really deeper to it than that.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2019, 11:22:37 AM: I kind of understand where you're coming from, on the other hand, I just want to shake you by the shoulders and say, "But haven't you been watching the last 8 seasons?!" I've been waiting for years at this point to see Cersei knocked off the throne, and I can't wait to see who leads Westeros in the end: Jon, a reluctant ruler but with a heart of gold, Dany, a leader who wishes to break the wheel and be a good leader but likely will not do either, Cersei, a mad and vengeful tyrant, or whether the Iron Throne will even exist. I get the complaints about Arya and the NK, I just feel sad it's ruined the anticipation for Cersei and the Iron Throne in these last few episodes since it's the future of Westeros we're talking about. I hope there's some good story turnaround that renews your faith :2metal:
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Post by: Volante99 on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 11:22:37 AM
I kind of understand where you're coming from, on the other hand, I just want to shake you by the shoulders and say, "But haven't you been watching the last 8 seasons?!" I've been waiting for years at this point to see Cersei knocked off the throne, and I can't wait to see who leads Westeros in the end: Jon, a reluctant ruler but with a heart of gold, Dany, a leader who wishes to break the wheel and be a good leader but likely will not do either, Cersei, a mad and vengeful tyrant, or whether the Iron Throne will even exist. I get the complaints about Arya and the NK, I just feel sad it's ruined the anticipation for Cersei and the Iron Throne in these last few episodes since it's the future of Westeros we're talking about. I hope there's some good story turnaround that renews your faith :2metal:

Fair enough. I may be jumping the gun. In the context of the next episodes perhaps the last one will hold more significance. I have a sneaking suspicion there isn’t COMPLETE resolution to that arc.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 01, 2019, 12:39:45 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
Sigh. Once again, the Night King dying doesn't suddenly invalidate everything else in the show or the war for the throne. What do you think Stannis's arc was about? Renly's? Tywin's? Cersei? Daenerys? And on and on and on. You ask, "If so, why?" Because time is linear, and the world moves on. The Night King is dead, but Cersei is still in power, ready to destroy what is left of the North's army, enfeeble them and force them into submission once again, and continue ruling with an iron fist, building her dynasty, as she's pregnant with one last child.

I get not being happy with the Night King but acting like the rest of the show is invalidated now is insane. How's about we see what the last 4 hours of the show have in store before saying 'nothing matters'?

Because it was the general assumption of many, many, many people that the entire overarching story was "People squabble for this and that throne and fail to see the bigger menace". Yes, the game of thrones is what actually make people interested, but the beautiful narrative device was that, in the biggest scheme of things, it didn't really matter - remember Commander Mormont to Jon Snow at the end of Season 1? "When dead things and worse come for us, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?" NO, IT WASN'T MEANT TO MATTER. At least that's how I and many other people saw it.

If you re-read the Lord of the Rings, you notice the hints that Gandalf drops about how you shouldn't mindlessly kill people, and that even Gollum has a part to play in the end. Imagine now that it was not just hints here and there, but it was made the whole point of the book: "Don't kill people for nothing", just like it was so evidently hammered home that "the only war that matters is the one against the dead". Now imagine that, with Lord of the Rings being almost every second page (or scene, if you think the movie) a reminder of "Don't kill people just for the sake of killing", Frodo at the end kills Gollum for no deep reason and heroically throws the Ring into the fire with a badass one-liner. The entire point of the story was that Gollum with his stupidity and carelessness was to accidentally destroy the ring, Frodo killing him would negate the entire premise.

Ah, I'll just let Tywin Lannister himself explain it. (https://gfycat.com/sentimentalglamorouscollie-charles-dance)
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Post by: faizoff on May 01, 2019, 12:44:48 PM: I watched the last episode again but this time on my PC and it looked soooo much better. I could see everything properly. And I think I loved the episode even more now. I'd give it a 9/10. There are still a few things I wished they had given a bit more visual context, maybe have a general of sorts on the field commanding the moves, esp like the Dothraki horde. And another is to not always show characters always on the brink of death being saved at the last minute. But I accept they may have done that to save some of them for later in the season.
I loved the ending sequence a lot, just that last 10 mins I must've seen like 30 times.

It goes without saying that the season would benefit immensely with more episodes but it is what it is and we have just 3 more to wrap things up. I cannot be more excited and will probably just stay off the internet anything GOT related until the series finale.
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Post by: Podaar on May 01, 2019, 12:57:11 PM: For those who have a problem with it being Arya and not Jon who took down the Night King, I thought it was them working together that got the job done.

The ice dragon is guarding the entrance to the Godswood, so Jon distracts it by standing in it's grill yelling "Gooooooo, Go." Then seconds later you see the hair of one of the WW fluff out as if a breeze went by and he has a "What?" look on his face. Then immediately Arya is in a running flying leap at the Night King. I didn't notice this sequence until I watched it a second time without the distraction of house guests.

It appears Jon was sacrificing himself to give Arya a chance to take a run at the Night King. Maybe he wasn't as useless as he appeared. :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 01, 2019, 01:24:46 PM: ....or not.

Just rewatched the scene - Jon does not seem to look at any specific point (if at all, it could be argued that Theon was seemingly looking above himself in his final moments), the subtitles say "[YELLS]" and not "Go, go" and the very next scene after that is Arya jumping, so there's not even the time to go from whatever Jon was into the Godswood.

And the jumping is what annoys me. I accept Arya as the killer. I don't accept that she jumped out of the goddamn nowhere and that the authors confirm it, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3M0Xt97aFI&feature=youtu.be&t=2038)

See that scene - she is on a ramp. Ok, I understand that shooting a scene is something different and the fact that, in reality, they had to use a ramp does not mean in the scene there could be another point for her to jump that is added with CGI or whatever. But still, she jumps out of the goddamn nowhere and that's what ruins it all - shock value for shock value.

Cersei blowing up the Sept was badass and well written. She had the motivation, the means, and it was orchestrated well. Maybe it doesn't happen in the book - who cares, it was awesome and fitting to her story. Arya killing the Night King sneaking up on him is still fitting - Arya appearing out of thin air is not.

Remember Pippin stabbing the Nazgul in the leg when he was facing Eowyn? he was right there, and was on the ground. He didn't jump out of nowhere. There were no need for rationalizations such as "Oh come on, you saw him get out of Minas Tirith 20 minutes before, do you need to see him walking to the battlefield?" or "well, he's an Hobbit, he's small, he can't be detected and in a previous scene he was shown to be able to run fast" or whatever.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2019, 01:31:06 PM: But, if she didn't "jump from nowhere", she never would have made it to the Night King. The other Walkers would have killed her long before.

No one else could have gotten the drop on him, and no one could beat him in a regular fight, and not even dragonfire fazed him. Really, I'm not sure what else you would have them do.
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Post by: Chino on May 01, 2019, 01:37:48 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2019, 01:31:06 PM
But, if she didn't "jump from nowhere", she never would have made it to the Night King. The other Walkers would have killed her long before.

No one else could have gotten the drop on him, and no one could beat him in a regular fight, and not even dragonfire fazed him. Really, I'm not sure what else you would have them do.

Be real about it and allow the Knight King to lay waste to all of the 7 Kingdoms, taking the throne for himself.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 01:39:06 PM: Is it possible Arya wore the face of a wight to get that close? My friend told me this as fact, but I haven't seen it anywhere as fact or even discussed.
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Post by: Podaar on May 01, 2019, 01:40:47 PM: I never new those "Game revealed" things existed. Pretty cool.

If I'm not mistaken, the spot you reference in the documentary is the director talking about achieving the shot of "her flying out of know where", not that she literally flew out of know where. I was simply commenting that the sequence made it appear like she took the opportunity provided by Jon to run and take a running leap at the NK. Was it hollywoodeque? Sure.

I was more commenting, that on second watch, I thought perhaps Jon actually achieved something. I'm probably wrong though.

As for taking CC for canon. I don't recommend it. I've seen some pretty stupid shit in close captioning.
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Post by: Chino on May 01, 2019, 01:43:20 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 01:39:06 PM
Is it possible Arya wore the face of a wight to get that close? My friend told me this as fact, but I haven't seen it anywhere as fact or even discussed.

Doubt it.

1) She was on the run the entire time. When did she get one.
2) The creators wouldn't have hid that as stealing faces is such a big part of her character.
3) She wouldn't have taken it off before making the kill. "I snuck up to the garden, now let me take off my disguise as I try and sneak through the last line of defense". That would make zero sense.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 02:05:44 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 01, 2019, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 01:39:06 PM
Is it possible Arya wore the face of a wight to get that close? My friend told me this as fact, but I haven't seen it anywhere as fact or even discussed.

Doubt it.

1) She was on the run the entire time. When did she get one.
2) The creators wouldn't have hid that as stealing faces is such a big part of her character.
3) She wouldn't have taken it off before making the kill. "I snuck up to the garden, now let me take off my disguise as I try and sneak through the last line of defense". That would make zero sense.

She revealed herself before killing Walder so there is precedence to it. I don't think the creators need to say anything for it to be true, but I do admit they would be more likely to talk about it since it wasn't clearly shown as a way to explain things. And lastly we don't need to see it to beleive, go back to the Walder scene, we don't see where or how she got that face.

Having said that, I'm not saying I believe she used a face of a wight, just thinking maybe that could be the explanation. But I keep going back to that library scene, one of my favorites from the episode (minus the silence, I don't know how there could be silence in that room with whats going on outside), because I think that was the foreshadow of how Arya can get around unnoticed in her own face.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2019, 02:20:59 PM: I wrote up a few different very long posts but thought it would come off as annoying which is my biggest fear so I deleted it. I suppose we'll agree to disagree MM, but I see what you're saying. I just vehemently disagree with the savage criticism the entire show is now receiving because people's expectations weren't met with one episode. I too am disappointed, but to a lesser extent, and I certainly don't believe it lessens the importance of the conflict over the Iron Throne. The Night King isn't even the most important overarching story, it was just the most pressing. Humanity is finite, power is temporary, Cersei will eventually die, but the undead need no food, no rest, no water, it is analogous to a destructive force of nature, representative of Death itself - every body that falls is another troop for the undead. And I get wanting to know more lore and backstory, but that is the beauty of this whole thing to me. We have been told exactly what the White Walkers were and what the Night King is. The Night King's only goal is to destroy Mankind. The First Men invaded the Children of the Forest's home and they created a weapon to push them back, and it went AWOL on everybody. The White Walkers are sacrificed humans turned magically by the NK, and the wights are the regular plain Jane undead. The main characters have no time to get some cliché last minute speech from the Night King or some lengthy exposition on it, Bran just got right to the point. And I like that. The main characters, even the audience, DON'T need all this secondary info. Sometimes learning more about a legendary, magical being ruins the mystique and draw to the character.

There are two other massive storylines at the very minimum: Daenerys's quest to return home and conquer the throne, and how Cersei is going to attempt to stay in power for good. And they've been in play since episode 1. Night King didn't even show his face until season 4. So while the NK's storyline is more pressing and urgent, and definitely the scariest, I strongly disagree that it is the most important. It is because of its urgency that they've been building it up, and now that it's done for (at least for this cycle, maybe Westeros will eventually relive the threat, we don't know), we can focus on the last obstacle: Cersei, whatever dark shit Qyburn has conjured up, Zombie Clegane, and her army of ~~elephants~~ golden-clad mercenaries.

More characters should've died though. Maybe Brienne got Lt. Dan'd and got her legs eaten
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Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 03:12:19 PM: The smarts of Cersei cannot be underestimated. Remember that she was on to something being amiss with the dragons at the end of 7 since Danny showed up at their meeting (when Jon showed them the wight) with only 2, not 3, while Jamie figured one was guarding a fleet. Cersei even said, "the dragons are vulnerable." Don't think she won't have a plan for when the dragons come flying into King's Landing. Not saying she will win the war, but she will have a plan to try and counteract the dragons.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2019, 03:14:44 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
The smarts of Cersei cannot be underestimated. Remember that she was on to something being amiss with the dragons at the end of 7 since Danny showed up at their meeting (when Jon showed them the wight) with only 2, not 3, while Jamie figured one was guarding a fleet. Cersei even said, "the dragons are vulnerable." Don't think she won't have a plan for when the dragons come flying into King's Landing. Not saying she will win the war, but she will have a plan to try and counteract the dragons.

I'll bet you lunch she's ordered more than one ballista to take down the dragons. She'll probably line the battlements of the Red Keep with them. I think she, unlike the Night King, will hole herself up in the Red Keep at all times, she absolutely won't expose herself. I'm predicting death in the Red Keep somehow.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 03:16:11 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
The smarts of Cersei cannot be underestimated. Remember that she was on to something being amiss with the dragons at the end of 7 since Danny showed up at their meeting (when Jon showed them the wight) only 2, not 3, while Jamie figured one was guarding a fleet. Cersei even said, "the dragons are vulnerable." Don't think she won't have a plan for when the dragons come flying into King's Landing. Not saying she will win the war, but she will have a plan to try and counteract the dragons.

Oh for sure, the scorpions will be out ready for a dragon attack. Qyburn could have more tricks up his sleeve as well. I do wonder if the Iron Bank however will outsmart Cersei or maybe she will outsmart them. Plus Bronn's mission is still out there, maybe there is some spin to that because maybe she realizes he is unlikely to do it.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 01, 2019, 03:23:51 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 02:20:59 PM
I wrote up a few different very long posts but thought it would come off as annoying which is my biggest fear so I deleted it.

Nah, don't worry man, it's all good fun discussing and dissecting the show :tup it's such a landmark moment in TV history that we all become so passionate about it, but there's no right or wrong, just people having different points of view. The only people who are wrong are those who name their daughters Khaleesi. ;D

Quote from: cramx3 on May 01, 2019, 01:39:06 PM
Is it possible Arya wore the face of a wight to get that close? My friend told me this as fact, but I haven't seen it anywhere as fact or even discussed.

Not at all - White Walkers shatters upon impact and there were no wights there which are all commanded by the Night King anyway, he would have noticed a wight he didn't summon.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2019, 01:31:06 PM
But, if she didn't "jump from nowhere", she never would have made it to the Night King. The other Walkers would have killed her long before.

No one else could have gotten the drop on him, and no one could beat him in a regular fight, and not even dragonfire fazed him. Really, I'm not sure what else you would have them do.

I'd have her do the biggest moment of the entire culmination of the White Walkers saga not leaving me wondering "where the hell did she come from" rather than rejoice. I did not need to wonder where the hell Cersei got the wildfire to make the Sept explode. Both in the book and in the movie, going back to my Lord of the Rings example, I did not need to wonder how come Pippin could sneak up on the Nazgul king. But here and on Reddit and everywhere else people are asking themselves right that. That's the sign that something's wrong, for me.

Also - there was a tree, Bran was standing beneath it. If Arya had hidden there, I would have been fine with it. Last season she was shown doing the knife drop trick? in this very episode she distracted the wights tossing a book or whatever it was on one side, and running away from the other. Have her hiding in the tree, toss anything behind the Night King so that he turns his back, and then jump at him from above, because she's hidden in the tree. That would have raised no questions from me and probably from many other people as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 01, 2019, 04:26:32 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 01, 2019, 12:39:45 PM

Because it was the general assumption of many, many, many people that the entire overarching story was "People squabble for this and that throne and fail to see the bigger menace". Yes, the game of thrones is what actually make people interested, but the beautiful narrative device was that, in the biggest scheme of things, it didn't really matter - remember Commander Mormont to Jon Snow at the end of Season 1? "When dead things and worse come for us, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?" NO, IT WASN'T MEANT TO MATTER. At least that's how I and many other people saw it.

If you re-read the Lord of the Rings, you notice the hints that Gandalf drops about how you shouldn't mindlessly kill people, and that even Gollum has a part to play in the end. Imagine now that it was not just hints here and there, but it was made the whole point of the book: "Don't kill people for nothing", just like it was so evidently hammered home that "the only war that matters is the one against the dead". Now imagine that, with Lord of the Rings being almost every second page (or scene, if you think the movie) a reminder of "Don't kill people just for the sake of killing", Frodo at the end kills Gollum for no deep reason and heroically throws the Ring into the fire with a badass one-liner. The entire point of the story was that Gollum with his stupidity and carelessness was to accidentally destroy the ring, Frodo killing him would negate the entire premise.

Ah, I'll just let Tywin Lannister himself explain it. (https://gfycat.com/sentimentalglamorouscollie-charles-dance)
I know your post wasn't specifically about about this but I think it's part of an overarching discussion (and I see it as a good jumping off point for me) about the White Walker threat being resolved now and the last 3 episodes focusing on (apparently) political and human conflicts such as who sits on the Iron Throne, and whether that is right for Game of Thrones / ASOIAF because of the previous point that was hammered home that the bigger threat matters more than the fighting over rule.

I don't see it as a question of either the message about the bigger threat was wrong, or the show is betraying its own message by not making the fight against the White Walkers the "endgame" (as I've seen many commenters elsewhere refer to it as). And that's because this was the endgame, this was the climax to the "biggest" story arc in the show, the fight against the potentially world ending threat.

Based on some discussions I'd seen elsewhere where people were acting as though the White Walkers had been dealt with so early and how that indicated they were just a sideplot or a plot device for some bigger "endgame", I did a little number crunching to help demonstrate my point: as of the end of the episode The Long Night, we are 94% of the way through Game of Thrones. And yes, that's accurate down to minutes of runtime (based on the estimated lengths for the last 3 episodes, which might be approximate placeholders rather than exact, but still). So when we're talking about the White Walker storyline and whether or not that was set aside too early, we're talking about a storyline that was introduced in the first scene and had it's climax 94% of the way through the entire story. So it's not over because it was set aside for a "bigger endgame" - it's over because it's near the end of the story.

You mention Lord of the Rings in your post and, although it's not related to the point you were making from it, it reminds me of GRRM's appreciation for Lord of the Rings and specifically the ending (as quoted earlier):

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GRRM: " I’ve said before that the tone of the ending that I’m going for is bittersweet. I mean, it’s no secret that Tolkien has been a huge influence on me, and I love the way he ended Lord of the Rings. It ends with victory, but it’s a bittersweet victory. Frodo is never whole again, and he goes away to the Undying Lands, and the other people live their lives. And the scouring of the Shire—brilliant piece of work, which I didn’t understand when I was 13 years old: “Why is this here? The story’s over?” But every time I read it I understand the brilliance of that segment more and more. All I can say is that’s the kind of tone I will be aiming for. Whether I achieve it or not, that will be up to people like you and my readers to judge."

In Lord of the Rings a lot was made of how important the quest to destroy the ring is. Do you know at what stage of the books the ring is destroyed? It's 91% of the way through. A whole couple of chapters before the equivalent stage of the story where the Night King was killed in Game of Thrones. I don't think the fact that the story moved on to include other things after the destruction of the ring invalidated the claims that it was the most important task or undercut that storyline. It's just that the story isn't over when the world ending threat is defeated. And for GRRM, that "what happens after the world is saved?" is an even bigger interest than Tolkien (he's pretty much stated that's one of the things that inspired him, taking a high fantasy story and delving into the human complications that would arise out of it). That's why I don't think Game of Thrones having some part of its story (6%, remember) addressing the conflict that occurs "after" the great war necessarily undercuts the importance of the great war that came before it.

I do think that the poor structure of these last two seasons has heightened this feeling for people though. If they had somehow managed to produce these last two seasons as one extended 13 episode season (or even just labelled them Season 7A and 7B) then I think people wouldn't mind as much the battle against the Others falling in episode 10. Because 94% of the story or not, there's no way to stop people feeling like "halfway through a season" is leaving too much for after the Night King if he was supposed to be the greatest threat.

Edit: Also :rollin at the gif. I hate and avoid that place because if the slightest leak comes out they spam it everywhere (thankfully leaks have been very limited this season so it's not as big a concern) but it's a shame as there's some funny content made there.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 01, 2019, 06:54:11 PM: I absolutely enjoyed the episode. It was well directed and had some great moments.

Buuut, unless there is some plottwist coming, it feels lacking given the amount of build up. Yeah, we are near the end and it makes sense for this storyline to get to an end. But I don't know, for a series that usually does a great job building up plot points and laying out the history that led to major events, this feels a bit like "is that it...?

I honestly am not feeling much for the upcoming war against Cersei. A lot of previous Game of Thrones conflicts were so great because you knew both sides and there were a lot of compelling characters. There were a lot of personal conflicts on many levels that elevated the material. Cersei has had a good arc and I think she is a great villain, but I think Euron is a lame ass villain and I don't care for monstro mountain and that evil scientist. What they will do with Bron in regards to the Lannister brothers will be interesting though, that is an example of personal conflicts that make this series so great.

For this (presumably) last batttle I wonder how things will go. I hope it is not a repeat of the previous three episodes (two episodes of downtime followed by one major battle).
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Post by: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 07:54:26 PM: So I'm watching it a second time and I swear HBO did something to make it more visible, I feel it's not half as dark as it was Sunday night.
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 01, 2019, 08:01:36 PM: Well that was glorious. I am so looking to see Cersei's head on a stick.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 08:10:15 PM: Can we give more love to Rhaegal? Drogon gets all the love, but Rhaegal fought like a beast and tore half off Viserion's face off before Drogon came in late and knocked the Night King off and sent him tumbling to the ground.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2019, 08:14:51 PM: Definitely the coolest episode for dragon action ever.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 01, 2019, 08:46:55 PM: Definitely, it was easy to almost forget about it because the ending (and the fact that it had ended) dominated my thoughts, but in fact I think all the dragon flying scenes were much better than any in the show before and the dragon fight was really cool (probably the best dragon on dragon fight in anything). It was quite dark and chaotic but I was able to follow it well enough, the way Rhaegal tore at Viserion and tore half his face off was brilliant. Only criticism is the after the fight ended, I was unsure if it was intended that Rhaegal and Viserion were dead, the way Rhaegal crashed onto the ground then went out of frame and how Viserion was getting chomped on by Drogon. Only when Viserion reappeared in the battle did I figure that Rhaegal was probably alive too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 01, 2019, 08:47:39 PM: Quote from: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 07:54:26 PM
So I'm watching it a second time and I swear HBO did something to make it more visible, I feel it's not half as dark as it was Sunday night.

My money is on the servers get so overloaded on Sunday night, that there is some black magic compression fuckery going on that reduces the quality a bit. In my circle of people, anyone that had trouble seeing the episode was streaming it through either HBO Go or HBO Now. The two guys that have Dish had no issues.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 08:50:41 PM: I watched the episode with the lights off and everything sealed off so the room was pitch black except for the TV. And even with that, there were still moments that could have been not so dark, but I get why it was. And I am someone who has long vented my frustration with how dark certain things are shot nowadays (Boardwalk Empire aggravated me with that at times).
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Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 08:52:19 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 01, 2019, 08:46:55 PM
Definitely, it was easy to almost forget about it because the ending (and the fact that it had ended) dominated my thoughts, but in fact I think all the dragon flying scenes were much better than any in the show before and the dragon fight was really cool (probably the best dragon on dragon fight in anything). It was quite dark and chaotic but I was able to follow it well enough, the way Rhaegal tore at Viserion and tore half his face off was brilliant. Only criticism is the after the fight ended, I was unsure if it was intended that Rhaegal and Viserion were dead, the way Rhaegal crashed onto the ground then went out of frame and how Viserion was getting chomped on by Drogon. Only when Viserion reappeared in the battle did I figure that Rhaegal was probably alive too.

Honestly, had it been a fight during the day where it was bright and you could see everything, it might have looked almost cartoon-ish. Having it at night with wind and snow blowing added a really cool element, even if there were moments where you lost track of what was going on for a few seconds.
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Post by: Adami on May 01, 2019, 08:57:42 PM: My prediction....

Dany will take her army of 25 people to fight Cersei's army of thousands. Somehow they will survive (at least the non red-shirts). One of them, probably Sansa will sneak in and kill Cersei, causing all of her armies to also die instantly.
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Post by: Bolsters on May 01, 2019, 09:16:05 PM: I wouldn't normally post something like this in such a discussion-heavy thread, but I thought it was too funny not to share (https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bjkyln/so_we_go_into_hbo_and_tell_them_bran_has_an_idea/).
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Post by: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 09:19:59 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 01, 2019, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 07:54:26 PM
So I'm watching it a second time and I swear HBO did something to make it more visible, I feel it's not half as dark as it was Sunday night.

My money is on the servers get so overloaded on Sunday night, that there is some black magic compression fuckery going on that reduces the quality a bit. In my circle of people, anyone that had trouble seeing the episode was streaming it through either HBO Go or HBO Now. The two guys that have Dish had no issues.

I was at a meeting for the first showing, but the peeps I live with DVR'd it, and that's what I watched. It'd make sense, my dad was using my HBO Go account and said it was dark af.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 09:43:11 PM: Quote from: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 07:54:26 PM
So I'm watching it a second time and I swear HBO did something to make it more visible, I feel it's not half as dark as it was Sunday night.

I’m 40 minutes into my first rewatch and I can see a difference. Not sure ‘why’ that is but it’s noticable.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2019, 10:45:11 PM: Yeah....upon second watch.....that episode is pretty freaking awesome. And whether it was a compression issue or HBO responded to the darkness complaints by having them adjust the levels....it’s definitely looking different than Sunday nights broadcast.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 01, 2019, 11:49:08 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 01, 2019, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 01, 2019, 12:39:45 PM

Because it was the general assumption of many, many, many people that the entire overarching story was "People squabble for this and that throne and fail to see the bigger menace". Yes, the game of thrones is what actually make people interested, but the beautiful narrative device was that, in the biggest scheme of things, it didn't really matter - remember Commander Mormont to Jon Snow at the end of Season 1? "When dead things and worse come for us, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?" NO, IT WASN'T MEANT TO MATTER. At least that's how I and many other people saw it.

If you re-read the Lord of the Rings, you notice the hints that Gandalf drops about how you shouldn't mindlessly kill people, and that even Gollum has a part to play in the end. Imagine now that it was not just hints here and there, but it was made the whole point of the book: "Don't kill people for nothing", just like it was so evidently hammered home that "the only war that matters is the one against the dead". Now imagine that, with Lord of the Rings being almost every second page (or scene, if you think the movie) a reminder of "Don't kill people just for the sake of killing", Frodo at the end kills Gollum for no deep reason and heroically throws the Ring into the fire with a badass one-liner. The entire point of the story was that Gollum with his stupidity and carelessness was to accidentally destroy the ring, Frodo killing him would negate the entire premise.

Ah, I'll just let Tywin Lannister himself explain it. (https://gfycat.com/sentimentalglamorouscollie-charles-dance)
I know your post wasn't specifically about about this but I think it's part of an overarching discussion (and I see it as a good jumping off point for me) about the White Walker threat being resolved now and the last 3 episodes focusing on (apparently) political and human conflicts such as who sits on the Iron Throne, and whether that is right for Game of Thrones / ASOIAF because of the previous point that was hammered home that the bigger threat matters more than the fighting over rule.

I don't see it as a question of either the message about the bigger threat was wrong, or the show is betraying its own message by not making the fight against the White Walkers the "endgame" (as I've seen many commenters elsewhere refer to it as). And that's because this was the endgame, this was the climax to the "biggest" story arc in the show, the fight against the potentially world ending threat.

Based on some discussions I'd seen elsewhere where people were acting as though the White Walkers had been dealt with so early and how that indicated they were just a sideplot or a plot device for some bigger "endgame", I did a little number crunching to help demonstrate my point: as of the end of the episode The Long Night, we are 94% of the way through Game of Thrones. And yes, that's accurate down to minutes of runtime (based on the estimated lengths for the last 3 episodes, which might be approximate placeholders rather than exact, but still). So when we're talking about the White Walker storyline and whether or not that was set aside too early, we're talking about a storyline that was introduced in the first scene and had it's climax 94% of the way through the entire story. So it's not over because it was set aside for a "bigger endgame" - it's over because it's near the end of the story.

You mention Lord of the Rings in your post and, although it's not related to the point you were making from it, it reminds me of GRRM's appreciation for Lord of the Rings and specifically the ending (as quoted earlier):

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GRRM: " I’ve said before that the tone of the ending that I’m going for is bittersweet. I mean, it’s no secret that Tolkien has been a huge influence on me, and I love the way he ended Lord of the Rings. It ends with victory, but it’s a bittersweet victory. Frodo is never whole again, and he goes away to the Undying Lands, and the other people live their lives. And the scouring of the Shire—brilliant piece of work, which I didn’t understand when I was 13 years old: “Why is this here? The story’s over?” But every time I read it I understand the brilliance of that segment more and more. All I can say is that’s the kind of tone I will be aiming for. Whether I achieve it or not, that will be up to people like you and my readers to judge."

In Lord of the Rings a lot was made of how important the quest to destroy the ring is. Do you know at what stage of the books the ring is destroyed? It's 91% of the way through. A whole couple of chapters before the equivalent stage of the story where the Night King was killed in Game of Thrones. I don't think the fact that the story moved on to include other things after the destruction of the ring invalidated the claims that it was the most important task or undercut that storyline. It's just that the story isn't over when the world ending threat is defeated. And for GRRM, that "what happens after the world is saved?" is an even bigger interest than Tolkien (he's pretty much stated that's one of the things that inspired him, taking a high fantasy story and delving into the human complications that would arise out of it). That's why I don't think Game of Thrones having some part of its story (6%, remember) addressing the conflict that occurs "after" the great war necessarily undercuts the importance of the great war that came before it.

I do think that the poor structure of these last two seasons has heightened this feeling for people though. If they had somehow managed to produce these last two seasons as one extended 13 episode season (or even just labelled them Season 7A and 7B) then I think people wouldn't mind as much the battle against the Others falling in episode 10. Because 94% of the story or not, there's no way to stop people feeling like "halfway through a season" is leaving too much for after the Night King if he was supposed to be the greatest threat.

Edit: Also :rollin at the gif. I hate and avoid that place because if the slightest leak comes out they spam it everywhere (thankfully leaks have been very limited this season so it's not as big a concern) but it's a shame as there's some funny content made there.
This is a long post that seems to assume that the problem people have is simply that the battle should have come at the end rather than the 4th-last episode (correct me if I'm wrong). But I don't recognise that as being the issue at all (or at least not directly). The issue is the narrative arc being anti-climactic and jarring with key themes of the show/books.

If after all this time, the theme has turned from "we should stop squabbling over who rules and work together to defeat bigger threats" to "let other people deal with bigger threats so you get a competitive advantage over them" then the show just suddenly became a whole lot less meaningful for a whole lot of people.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 01:46:36 AM: Very excellent post, RuRoRul! it didn't deserve to disappear in the last post of the previous page so good job on Ariich quoting it.

It's a very nice and well thought comparison to Lord of the Rings, that surely helps a lot to understand the mindset of people fine with how the show's going.... but I'll have to disagree anyway :biggrin: not because, as I previously said to Kev, I'm right and the other are wrong, it's just good fun discussing different points of view.

Ariich said it nicely for me - it feels that the overarching theme of the show was just derailed. I completely accept and understand the premise of "the scouring of the Shire" - but, as important Saruman was, there was no doubt that the big issue of the book was destroying the Ring and that had happened. Cersei is not a secondary villain that survived the big bad, she's one of the ovearching villains of the story. A more fitting equivalent of the scouring of the Shire would be the White Walkers defeated, Cersei dethroned, and the Starks coming home to find Euron has conquered Winterfell.

I didn't want either a big battle in the last episode - but I wanted, and I assumed the story hinted as such, the White Walkers to invade all of Westeros, and every single person realizing "Oh shit, we should have paid attention to the importance of the Wall and how some people told us that the real menace was all along beyond the wall". I thought and assumed that the two issues, the battle for the Iron Throne and the existential menace, would merge into a dramatic meleè.

My thoughts and my assumptions are my own, the show writers are not wrong for having different plans in mind, and nobody who disagrees with me is wrong - heck, I'm actually envious of people who are truly riveting in the excitement of the episode, wish I could be one of them! but I know I'm not alone in thinking that we went from "Soon the whole world will realize how stupid and selfish they were" to "Look, Cersei was right all along, let your enemies destroy each other" and that this is a poor change.

Uh well, let's see what the actual, final battle for the Iron Throne will bring!
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Post by: Podaar on May 02, 2019, 06:26:03 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 01, 2019, 11:49:08 PM
The issue is the narrative arc being anti-climactic and jarring with key themes of the show/books.

Ned, Kal Drogo, Oberon, Tywin, Lysa, Rob, Catelyn, and many others, would like a word with you. I thought anti-climatic and jarring endings ARE the theme of the show.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2019, 06:27:08 AM: Emilia Clarke was on Jimmy Kimmel last night and gave no spoilers (of course), but merely said to get the biggest TV you can find for when you watch episode 5. :metal :metal
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Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 06:29:16 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 01, 2019, 11:49:08 PM
If after all this time, the theme has turned from "we should stop squabbling over who rules and work together to defeat bigger threats" to "let other people deal with bigger threats so you get a competitive advantage over them" then the show just suddenly became a whole lot less meaningful for a whole lot of people.

But that isn't what's going on. They DID work together to conquer a bigger threat. That Cersei betrayed them is 100% in line with her character.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 06:42:22 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 08:14:51 PM
Definitely the coolest episode for dragon action ever.

The shot of them above the storm clouds with the moon was awesome

(https://preview.redd.it/bqpfpiq7y7v21.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=386dd4eb06a81b4aaa130775cd7c88bf5251bde5)
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Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 06:50:05 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 06:42:22 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 01, 2019, 08:14:51 PM
Definitely the coolest episode for dragon action ever.

The shot of them above the storm clouds with the moon was awesome

(https://preview.redd.it/bqpfpiq7y7v21.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=386dd4eb06a81b4aaa130775cd7c88bf5251bde5)

A few days ago someone on Reddit worked that shot into a phone wallpaper. Now my phone is dragonful :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 02, 2019, 06:54:32 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 02, 2019, 06:29:16 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 01, 2019, 11:49:08 PM
If after all this time, the theme has turned from "we should stop squabbling over who rules and work together to defeat bigger threats" to "let other people deal with bigger threats so you get a competitive advantage over them" then the show just suddenly became a whole lot less meaningful for a whole lot of people.

But that isn't what's going on. They DID work together to conquer a bigger threat. That Cersei betrayed them is 100% in line with her character.
Exactly, and now she has a competitive advantage she wouldn't otherwise have had. That's a message I cannot get behind.

But I'll reiterate the very first word of what you quoted from my earlier post: "If". *If* Cersei is the endgame and the whole winter/mysticism/religion storyline is entirely finished, then that is how I will feel regardless of what happens.

However, I'm increasingly open to the idea of this not being the case and cautiously interested in what surprises they might have for us. Lots of very interesting theories about where this could go. I'm not setting myself any expectation of a particular one because that just leads to disappointment, but there's plenty of scope to do something more exciting and meaningful than just a battle for which human gets to rule.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 06:56:44 AM: Sorry ariich, I must not be understanding - Cersei announced last season she didn't plan to help out in the North, and I think it's been clear for at least a full season that they're attacking the undead army first before Cersei. There's no bait and switch so I'm curious why this is suddenly an issue for you. I think we all just assumed there was 'more to come' re: Night King and white walkers but again we were told literally everything about them already. I guess I'm just not really understanding the beef with Cersei being the final obstacle to conquer. To me it fits like a glove...
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 06:58:58 AM: I just want to comment on one minor thing. I've seen a number of people (here and other places) talk about how brilliant Cersei was when she didn't fight for the North, cause now her army should be able to take out Dany's without much problem, and how it was such a genius strategy.

I am calling BS on that. It was a terrible strategy that paid off by pure luck and only because the writers made it go that way. In all realistic sense, the North should have lost the battle at Winterfell. They won only because the plot called for it. The dead should have overtaken Winterfell, killed them all, and then had a HUGE army with three undead dragons.

So no, Cersei was not being brilliant. She WAS being very much in line with her character, definitely, but her character has never been that smart. She just happens to have a lot of other smart and powerful people making sure she's okay.
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Post by: ariich on May 02, 2019, 06:59:04 AM: Not sure how else to explain what I said before. It would reverse the key theme of the show from something that resonates strongly with me to something that doesn't speak to me at all.

Quote from: Adami on May 02, 2019, 06:58:58 AM
I just want to comment on one minor thing. I've seen a number of people (here and other places) talk about how brilliant Cersei was when she didn't fight for the North, cause now her army should be able to take out Dany's without much problem, and how it was such a genius strategy.

I am calling BS on that. It was a terrible strategy that paid off by pure luck and only because the writers made it go that way. In all realistic sense, the North should have lost the battle at Winterfell. They won only because the plot called for it. The dead should have overtaken Winterfell, killed them all, and then had a HUGE army with three undead dragons.

So no, Cersei was not being brilliant. She WAS being very much in line with her character, definitely, but her character has never been that smart. She just happens to have a lot of other smart and powerful people making sure she's okay.
Yes, all of that too.

EDIT: This probably comes across as flippant, so actually I will try and explain myself more fully as I enjoy these debates. Longer (but not super-long) post shortly.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 07:04:46 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 02, 2019, 06:58:58 AM
I just want to comment on one minor thing. I've seen a number of people (here and other places) talk about how brilliant Cersei was when she didn't fight for the North, cause now her army should be able to take out Dany's without much problem, and how it was such a genius strategy.

I am calling BS on that. It was a terrible strategy that paid off by pure luck and only because the writers made it go that way. In all realistic sense, the North should have lost the battle at Winterfell. They won only because the plot called for it. The dead should have overtaken Winterfell, killed them all, and then had a HUGE army with three undead dragons.

So no, Cersei was not being brilliant. She WAS being very much in line with her character, definitely, but her character has never been that smart. She just happens to have a lot of other smart and powerful people making sure she's okay.

Honestly, based on what that dead army really looked like, no one had any chance. Cersei refusing bought her life more time IMO, so going North was suicide and staying south well, also suicide but you get to live a bit longer. The smartest was Euron to GTFO which goes back to the Wildling strategy of just fleeing. If we are going to remove what the plot calls for, everyone should be dead in Westeros and even Essos once the Night King flies across the Narrow Sea.
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 02, 2019, 07:13:20 AM: I guess I've always assumed the primary story line of the show/books was who ends up on the throne, not the Night King. That was the unifying force that brought (almost) everyone together, at least in the short term. Was there really any other option to how it ended with out a lame cliff hanger? They either all die, kill the night king, or a small group of the main characters run away.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 07:17:31 AM: I think what I disagree with then is that this is a key theme of the show. It's not. It's part of the plot, but not a theme. Cersei and the game of thrones has been the real obstacle all along. I'm genuinely not trying to be contrarian, I either don't agree with people's arguments about the overall series or just don't understand where the criticism is suddenly coming from. Up until this season premiered there was nothing but praise, the only backlash was against the speed of the 'beyond the wall' episode and how useless Dorne is. Then it premieres and the Night King finally gets killed and suddenly everything is wrong with the show. I am genuinely stumped here.

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I guess I've always assumed the primary story line of the show/books was who ends up on the throne, not the Night King. That was the unifying force that brought (almost) everyone together, at least in the short term. Was there really any other option to how it ended with out a lame cliff hanger? They either all die, kill the night king, or a small group of the main characters run away.

Yeah, this, seriously. Was Cersei, a major character, very deep and complex, supposed to somehow die before... the Night King?

God I'm frustrated. I really wish I could agree with the lambasting the series is getting but I just can't - I'm disappointed to a certain extent but overall it's still bloody amazing.

EDIT 2: Found on Reddit from season 1 episode 1...

(https://i.imgur.com/AcTikue.jpg)
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 07:27:05 AM: Well, if at all, I wish I could agree with everyone enjoing the latest outcome :lol

It's basically points of view. Some people accept the White Walkers as a diversion and are fine with the battle for the Iron Throne being the ultimate end game. Some others bought into the "the real menace is the one coming from beyond the wall" and were led to believe and expect that Westeros would have been fully taken over by the White Walkers, with every single person south of Winterfell going "Shit, we should have listened to the Night's Watch and realize that you don't build a magical 700 ft tall wall just to keep out some ~~illegal immigrants~~ wildlings".

In the years before World War II, everyone who chose to ignore Hitler saw how wrong they were. Nobody south of the Twins will even believe that icy nazis were real, or realize that Arya is literally the saviour of the entire continent.
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Post by: ariich on May 02, 2019, 07:29:16 AM: Ok, more detailed thoughts on the provisional issue I have with the last episode *if* the winter is coming/mysticism/religion side of the show is finished and the last 3 episodes are all about the battle for which human(s) get to rule Westeros.

Firstly, to reiterate some points i've made a number of times already, a key theme of both the books AND the show has always been that fighting over who rules is in the grand scheme of things a petty squabble, and not only ignores bigger threats but actively harms the ability to address them because it weakens everyone. This isn't just a plot point, GRRM has said that this is ultimately what the books are about, and the show has definitely embraced it including during the current season. The implied direction of the rest of the season scraps and arguably even reverses this theme, as I said before.

Another important point is about prophecy. Do prophecies need to always come true? No. But again the show has very much established that prophecies do come true (Cersei's 3 children being blonde and dying, Dany being unable to conceive, etc) even if they've left some out from the books. And while it may not have come up very often and casual viewers might not even recognise it, prophecies about the Lord of Light, Azor Ahai, balance between ice and fire, etc. have been covered in the show. It's therefore a reasonable expectation that these should mean something, given that other prophecies have meant something. *If* the rest of the season is as speculated in my opening paragrpah, then none of these mean anything. The Lord of Light didn't do anything particularly special (he allowed Melisandre to bring Jon Snow back but he wasn't that important in the end), and the concept of balance is irrelevant.

Quote from: Kattelox on May 02, 2019, 06:56:44 AM
Cersei announced last season she didn't plan to help out in the North, and I think it's been clear for at least a full season that they're attacking the undead army first before Cersei.
Indeed, but precisely because she didn't offer proper support, and given the key theme of the show as explained above, I and many others did not expect that to be the end of this story arc. I certainly expected it to fail in some way. Now, as I said before, I'm increasingly open to some of the interesting ways this could go, and there are some good theories about how although this particular fight didn't fail, actually the bigger and/or real threat is something else (and no I don't mean Cersei).

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I think we all just assumed there was 'more to come' re: Night King and white walkers but again we were told literally everything about them already.
Just to clarify: That's not my issue. I also have no problem with things that some have complained about like "how did Arya even get there?". Stuff like that is explained and set up well enough IMO.

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I guess I'm just not really understanding the beef with Cersei being the final obstacle to conquer. To me it fits like a glove...
Why is Cersei the big bad? She's just the latest in a long line of nasty rulers. And she's only recently become the ruler. If that's the big endgame to the story then it's just really not very interesting to me. If they defeat her, cool, but there'll be another nasty ruler along later on.

And I'll say once again, this is all provisional depending on what they do with the last three episodes.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 07:49:59 AM: Ariich, first, thanks a lot for taking the time to write all that up.

Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2019, 07:29:16 AM
Another important point is about prophecy. Do prophecies need to always come true? No. But again the show has very much established that prophecies do come true (Cersei's 3 children being blonde and dying, Dany being unable to conceive, etc) even if they've left some out from the books. And while it may not have come up very often and casual viewers might not even recognise it, prophecies about the Lord of Light, Azor Ahai, balance between ice and fire, etc. have been covered in the show. It's therefore a reasonable expectation that these should mean something, given that other prophecies have meant something. *If* the rest of the season is as speculated in my opening paragrpah, then none of these mean anything. The Lord of Light didn't do anything particularly special (he allowed Melisandre to bring Jon Snow back but he wasn't that important in the end), and the concept of balance is irrelevant.

The show has also very much established that prophecies do not come true. That is the entire point of them sacrificing Shireen and the horror on Melisandre's face when she realizes the prophecy was bunk. I don't believe every prophecy needs to be fulfilled or even addressed. Prophecies are prophecies - they are fleeting, they are not to be trusted except by those with the faith.

You say Jon Snow wasn't "that important" in the end... Tell me, would the North even entertain the idea of fighting alongside Daenerys, the Dothraki, the Unsullied, without Jon being there to unite the North and its lords? If Jon wasn't revived, Winterfell would have been lost.

Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2019, 07:29:16 AM
Just to clarify: That's not my issue. I also have no problem with things that some have complained about like "how did Arya even get there?". Stuff like that is explained and set up well enough IMO.

Common ground! :hug:

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I guess I'm just not really understanding the beef with Cersei being the final obstacle to conquer. To me it fits like a glove...
Why is Cersei the big bad? She's just the latest in a long line of nasty rulers. And she's only recently become the ruler. If that's the big endgame to the story then it's just really not very interesting to me. If they defeat her, cool, but there'll be another nasty ruler along later on.

And I'll say once again, this is all provisional depending on what they do with the last three episodes.

Cersei is the big bad (in my opinion) because she has been scheming from the very beginning. She planned the death of Robert Baratheon, which led into the War of the Five Kings. She then plotted and schemed to get Ned Stark not only off the throne but killed, and we all know everything spiraled out of control after that. Cersei is the big bad because she blew up a huge chunk of her city - and the entire freaking religious HQ - and a number of very powerful people. She betrays even her own family (Lancel first, then much later Jaime and Tyrion). Even after her downfall and walk of shame, she clings to power with an iron fist and will do anything to ensure that she stays on the throne. She threatens any and all opposition with force, Gregor Clegane is the manifestation of her strength (political power made flesh). Everything she's done and gone through has made her a true villain in every sense of the word. She doesn't want what is good for the common people, or humanity as a whole - she wants absolute power, she only cares (at this point) for her and the child in her belly, and even wants the rest of her family dead. I argue she officially became the Mad Queen when she decided to use that wildfire to destroy her own city, just like Aerys Targaryen planned to.

It all goes back to what she told Ned at the very start of the show. "When you play the Game of Thrones, you win or die. There is no middle ground." She's done the best at that job. The Mad King, dead. Robert Baratheon, dead. Joffrey Baratheon, dead. Tommen Baratheon, dead. Margaery Tyrell, dead. Cersei Lannister... alive and proud. A good villain is smart and cunning. That's Cersei in a nutshell, and she's outlived almost everybody else, which is amazing given how high up on the ladder of power she is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 02, 2019, 08:07:25 AM: Thanks for responding! Lots to answer.

Quote from: Kattelox on May 02, 2019, 07:49:59 AM
The show has also very much established that prophecies do not come true. That is the entire point of them sacrificing Shireen and the horror on Melisandre's face when she realizes the prophecy was bunk. I don't believe every prophecy needs to be fulfilled or even addressed. Prophecies are prophecies - they are fleeting, they are not to be trusted except by those with the faith.
Not sure I agree with this. The sacrificing of Shireen was Melisandre (mis)interpreting what she was seeing, and she was the only one bigging up Stannis. But the importance of Jon Snow doesn't only come from Melisandre saying it but links in with other themes like the balance of ice and fire (with Jon being both a Stark and Targaeryan). There's been a big narrative build up for this over many seasons/books.

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You say Jon Snow wasn't "that important" in the end... Tell me, would the North even entertain the idea of fighting alongside Daenerys, the Dothraki, the Unsullied, without Jon being there to unite the North and its lords? If Jon wasn't revived, Winterfell would have been lost.
But at the same time Jon has also done loads of things badly and got a lot of people killed who might have been able to help (he only survived the Battle of the Bastards because of Sansa, and the Dothraki were wiped out because of his terrible tactics). I'm not saying he did nothing of value but he doesn't seem to have been (so far) any more significant than lots of other characters.

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Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2019, 07:29:16 AM
Just to clarify: That's not my issue. I also have no problem with things that some have complained about like "how did Arya even get there?". Stuff like that is explained and set up well enough IMO.

Common ground! :hug:
Woot! :heart

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Cersei is the big bad (in my opinion) because she has been scheming from the very beginning. She planned the death of Robert Baratheon, which led into the War of the Five Kings. She then plotted and schemed to get Ned Stark not only off the throne but killed, and we all know everything spiraled out of control after that.
She didn't want him killed, she just wanted him to bend the knee to Joffrey. It was Joffrey who kicked everything out of control.

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Cersei is the big bad because she blew up a huge chunk of her city - and the entire freaking religious HQ - and a number of very powerful people. She betrays even her own family (Lancel first, then much later Jaime and Tyrion). Even after her downfall and walk of shame, she clings to power with an iron fist and will do anything to ensure that she stays on the throne. She threatens any and all opposition with force, Gregor Clegane is the manifestation of her strength (political power made flesh). Everything she's done and gone through has made her a true villain in every sense of the word. She doesn't want what is good for the common people, or humanity as a whole - she wants absolute power, she only cares (at this point) for her and the child in her belly, and even wants the rest of her family dead. I argue she officially became the Mad Queen when she decided to use that wildfire to destroy her own city, just like Aerys Targaryen planned to.
Yeah she's extremely villainous, but lots of others have been, as you say like the Mad King who was probably worse. And she's far from the only one who wants power above all else (including Dany).

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It all goes back to what she told Ned at the very start of the show. "When you play the Game of Thrones, you win or die. There is no middle ground." She's done the best at that job. The Mad King, dead. Robert Baratheon, dead. Joffrey Baratheon, dead. Tommen Baratheon, dead. Margaery Tyrell, dead. Cersei Lannister... alive and proud. A good villain is smart and cunning. That's Cersei in a nutshell, and she's outlived almost everybody else, which is amazing given how high up on the ladder of power she is.
Ok but her story isn't finished yet, and if she ends up dead, then she was exactly the same as all those other power-hungry villains.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 08:23:03 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2019, 08:07:25 AM
Not sure I agree with this. The sacrificing of Shireen was Melisandre (mis)interpreting what she was seeing, and she was the only one bigging up Stannis. But the importance of Jon Snow doesn't only come from Melisandre saying it but links in with other themes like the balance of ice and fire (with Jon being both a Stark and Targaeryan). There's been a big narrative build up for this over many seasons/books.

Well, I agree to an extent, they definitely have been building it up. But don't get me wrong, I don't think the revival to be at Winterfell was his only purpose - the reveal of his ancestry is going to play a huge part in these last few episodes. The conflict between him and Dany could easily tear them apart either before or after Cersei is killed. As for Shireen, I think that's the point: Melisandre misinterpreted the prophecies, which goes to show that even those with the faith and magical powers can't always be trusted to be correct. Melisandre doesn't know everything, but I think towards the end, she started to get things correct - kind of like how you'll struggle with a jigsaw puzzle for a long time, and then as you get closer to finishing, you're figuring out the correct pieces more quickly and you'll eventually know which piece goes where right away.

Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2019, 08:07:25 AM
But at the same time Jon has also done loads of things badly and got a lot of people killed who might have been able to help (he only survived the Battle of the Bastards because of Sansa, and the Dothraki were wiped out because of his terrible tactics). I'm not saying he did nothing of value but he doesn't seem to have been (so far) any more significant than lots of other characters.

Oh, I agree - Jon is far from a brilliant tactician, but he never claimed to be (we see this in the Battle of Winterfell; he does no commanding at all). He never wanted to be a leader in the first place. I think his significance comes from the fact that he is secretly a Targaryen and has the proper claim to the throne. He has a heart of gold and cares for his family and his people, but is reluctant to lead. He's essentially the polar opposite of Cersei. But I think it's good that he isn't THAT much more significant than everybody else, otherwise he'd just be a typical fantasy hero-king.

Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2019, 07:29:16 AM
Ok but her story isn't finished yet, and if she ends up dead, then she was exactly the same as all those other power-hungry villains.

I disagree with this strongly, but if I am to entertain what you just wrote here: wouldn't that be the point? That for all her cunning, all her sacrifices and things she's lost and everything she's been through, that she ends up dead just like everyone else? Remember when Dany was warned - by Tyrion I believe - about ruling with an iron fist and how it makes your power brittle because everyone beneath you wants to see you dead? Cersei isn't destined to own the throne, I think she's destined to lose it tragically despite sacrificing her entire family for it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2019, 09:19:48 AM: Cersei sacrificed her whole family? Wait, what?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 09:23:51 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 02, 2019, 09:19:48 AM
Cersei sacrificed her whole family? Wait, what?

Maybe sacrifice isn't the right word, although there is plenty of hubris and selfishness involved with getting Joffrey and then Tommen onto the throne for her own gain, and in the end she is turning her back on Jaime and Tyrion (one a former ally, another someone she's always hated but never wanted dead) and now she feels the need to get rid of both of them to hold on to her position. But she also got her former husband killed in order to put Joffrey on the throne. I dunno, I used the wrong word there, but regardless, she has lost her whole family and her baby hasn't even been born yet, so that's about all she's got left to protect. Damn the realm, damn its people - for Cersei it's all about her and her kid.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 02, 2019, 09:27:32 AM: How did she have her former husband killed? He took a tusk to the gut while out hunting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 09:31:06 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 02, 2019, 09:27:32 AM
How did she have her former husband killed? He took a tusk to the gut while out hunting.

While stone drunk because Lancel was continously feeding him wine, as Cersei clearly instructed him to do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 09:32:34 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 02, 2019, 09:27:32 AM
How did she have her former husband killed? He took a tusk to the gut while out hunting.

Here you go. (https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_Baratheon)

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As revealed later, Cersei comes up with a plan to dispose of Robert: she orders her henchman/lover Lancel, Robert's squire, to give Robert plenty of wine in order to dull his senses and slow his reactions during the hunt.

Robert hunts in the Kingswood, accompanied by Renly Baratheon, Ser Barristan Selmy and Lancel. Lancel, obediently following Cersei's orders, keeps offering wine to Robert, who drinks a lot.[2]

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At Tywin's funeral, Lancel, who has become pious, approaches Cersei and asks for her forgiveness for his sins, among them his part in Robert's death; Cersei taunts Lancel and pretends she has no idea what he is talking about.[7]

Lancel confesses to his crimes to the High Sparrow. Based on the confession, Cersei is arrested[8] and charged with various crimes, among them Robert's murder, which she furiously denies.[9]

For any plot holes, they address that down there, too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 02, 2019, 09:42:24 AM: Ahhh gotcha. Thanks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 11:24:28 AM: Hey guys, sorry for flooding the thread. This is like my #1 place to discuss Game of Thrones - only one of my local friends gets hardcore with lore and the characters' arcs, and I don't have a Reddit account. Feel like I'm annoying, but I just really, really really like this world and talking about it. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 11:26:12 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 02, 2019, 11:24:28 AM
Hey guys, sorry for flooding the thread. This is like my #1 place to discuss Game of Thrones - only one of my local friends gets hardcore with lore and the characters' arcs, and I don't have a Reddit account. Feel like I'm annoying, but I just really, really really like this world and talking about it. :lol

Same here, don't worry about it :D :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 11:27:31 AM: as far as im concerned, please continue

There's another forum, I mostly lurk there, for psu football and there's a very active GoT thread there, but that is sooooo much less interesting to read through as it seems no one there read the books or does any deep analysis, just arguing. Makes this thread look soooo much better, which it really is. So what people have different perspectives, it's fun to discuss and in the arguments, you uncover more details.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 11:42:04 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 02, 2019, 11:24:28 AM
Hey guys, sorry for flooding the thread. This is like my #1 place to discuss Game of Thrones - only one of my local friends gets hardcore with lore and the characters' arcs, and I don't have a Reddit account. Feel like I'm annoying, but I just really, really really like this world and talking about it. :lol

Listen dude, this is a Game of Thrones thread. So take your Game of Thrones talk somewhere else!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 11:48:57 AM: Fine, I'll go make my own Game of Thrones thread! With blackjack! And hookers!

Good to know fellas. If anyone's unaware of Reddit's weekly surveys, (https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bjwi71/spoilers_postepisode_survey_results_s8e3_the_long/) they put one up the day after each new episode and on Thursdays the results get shared. There are well over 100k votes cast so it has some curious insight into the fanbase.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 12:01:45 PM: Dany finished last in the "MVP player of the battle" question? she roasted something like 10K wights with Drogon, which was precisely her role, use the dragon to burn everything. Jon Snow didn't even do that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 12:03:54 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 12:01:45 PM
Dany finished last in the "MVP player of the battle" question? she roasted something like 10K wights with Drogon, which was precisely her role, use the dragon to burn everything. Jon Snow didn't even do that.

Well, maybe that was more of her dragon's work than her own? :huh: but I'm guessing people just kept thinking of her last scenes standing there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 12:06:27 PM: Lyanna Mormont was also #2 on "whose death would you have prevented" and I'm just... so over her as a character. Her scene was cool but man, I SO would have prevented Theon's death instead, if only for him to eventually face Euron - though I love how his story ended all the same.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 12:12:26 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 02, 2019, 12:06:27 PM
Lyanna Mormont was also #2 on "whose death would you have prevented" and I'm just... so over her as a character. Her scene was cool but man, I SO would have prevented Theon's death instead, if only for him to eventually face Euron - though I love how his story ended all the same.

I'm in Camp Lyanna, Jorah and Theon's storys got stale. Lyanna was a fun and relatively fresh character. Her death was glorious though so all is well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 02, 2019, 12:12:52 PM: Theon died thinking he failed and that Bran was toast. That kind of sucks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 12:41:55 PM: After failing to conquer Westeros, the Night King will go into a solo carrer, check out the cover art for his yet unnamed debut:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw9q5nCJCX4/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 02, 2019, 01:46:48 PM: (https://preview.redd.it/j5g8bne0zrv21.jpg?width=974&auto=webp&s=de195c408819f6f9076a17d0410d814ec71165cb)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 03:07:17 PM: I'd also add "Use Bran as possible bait, do not set a trap and hope that Reek fends off the Night King" to the list.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2019, 03:11:11 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 03:07:17 PM
I'd also add "Use Bran as possible bait, do not set a trap and hope that Reek fends off the Night King" to the list.

That was Brans idea. And, that’s the way the Dothraki fight. The other ones are funny.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 02, 2019, 03:16:47 PM: But maybe there is a point to Jon's poor planning yet constant surviving, he's the prince who was promised, bad strategy is meaningless when you are the chosen one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 02, 2019, 03:17:19 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 03:07:17 PM
I'd also add "Use Bran as possible bait, do not set a trap and hope that Reek fends off the Night King" to the list.
The idea was that Daenerys and Jon with the dragons were the trap for the Night King, that's why they were originally waiting on the sidelines - they were only supposed to go after the Night King when he showed up. Theon and the others were more a backstop to protect the godswood from wights if they got past the walls. But yeah, they really could have hidden a few people around the godswood with Valyrian steel waiting to jump out at the Night King if he showed up rather than relying only on the dragons, :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 02, 2019, 03:29:32 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 02, 2019, 08:23:03 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 02, 2019, 07:29:16 AM
Ok but her story isn't finished yet, and if she ends up dead, then she was exactly the same as all those other power-hungry villains.

I disagree with this strongly, but if I am to entertain what you just wrote here: wouldn't that be the point? That for all her cunning, all her sacrifices and things she's lost and everything she's been through, that she ends up dead just like everyone else? Remember when Dany was warned - by Tyrion I believe - about ruling with an iron fist and how it makes your power brittle because everyone beneath you wants to see you dead? Cersei isn't destined to own the throne, I think she's destined to lose it tragically despite sacrificing her entire family for it.
Sure, and that's all... fine. I never said it would be illogical or not make sense. Just that it would be uninteresting/anticlimactic and out of tune with some key things they've spent years setting up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 02, 2019, 04:02:40 PM: Quote from: ariich on May 01, 2019, 11:49:08 PM
This is a long post that seems to assume that the problem people have is simply that the battle should have come at the end rather than the 4th-last episode (correct me if I'm wrong). But I don't recognise that as being the issue at all (or at least not directly). The issue is the narrative arc being anti-climactic and jarring with key themes of the show/books.

If after all this time, the theme has turned from "we should stop squabbling over who rules and work together to defeat bigger threats" to "let other people deal with bigger threats so you get a competitive advantage over them" then the show just suddenly became a whole lot less meaningful for a whole lot of people.

Yeah, I was talking in part about the fact the battle happened now (with 3 episodes to go) because I think it's related to the overall discussion about the White Walkers being defeated now and Cersei being dealt with after, I didn't want to imply that was anyone here's only (or even main) concern with things. It was more something that I'd seen specifically complained about a lot elsewhere, and since I'd done the legwork to make a point or two about it in another discussion I thought I'd include it here since it was somewhat relevant to what people were talking about, so that's probably why my post might have seemed too focused on that specific point (rather than because anyone here was belabouring it before).

But, I do think it is very relevant to the "political squabbling" vs. "bigger threats" debate, specifically whether what has happened in the story so far indicates that the political squabbling was more important or undercuts the previous message. I can understand why people might feel that way, and same as others have said I'm not trying to say it's wrong to see things that way, just adding to the discussion or saying more about why I see it another. But I think the timing point is important because, well, no one has actually seen the ending yet so when we are talking about how the coming conflict being the focus of the last 3 episodes affects the meaning of the show, we literally only have the information about when the storyline happens and not its content (since we don't know it yet). If the last part of the story really hammers home the idea that the fight against the White Walkers was less important and that this should have been the focus, then yeah, that would definitely undercut the message of the prior part of the show. But, for now I definitely do push back on the idea that just because conflict for the throne continues after the White Walkers that it automatically suggests that it's the more important conflict when it comes to the message of the series in terms of political squabbling vs. bigger threat. That's one of the reasons I see that 94% figure as relevant - a conflict that was hinted at in the opening and was resolved at this stage of an overall story before turning back to other things certainly doesn't suggest a message that those other things are more important based on the timing. When it comes to the content, I think it depends on how the last 6% is treated.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 02, 2019, 04:07:38 PM: That all seems fair and reasonable, thanks for taking the time to explain! And yeah as I've said, my issues are all provisional and not firm judgements because we still have 3 episodes to go and I'm interested to see what happens.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 04:21:03 PM: You know what the best part about next episode is? The bright and vivid shots. SUNLIGHT! And not so much washed out blue-grey colors! :)

EDIT: Just watched a Talking Thrones video and he brought up a point I have never read before. Remember at Hardhome when the Night King watched Jon in battle? Pretty sure he caught Jon killing a White Walker with his sword. Perhaps the Night King raised the wights when Jon was coming for him because he didn't even want to give this guy a chance in combat with him? Like, how many people have seen the Night King not once, but twice, and lived to tell about it?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 02, 2019, 04:41:16 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 02, 2019, 01:46:36 AM
Very excellent post, RuRoRul! it didn't deserve to disappear in the last post of the previous page so good job on Ariich quoting it.

It's a very nice and well thought comparison to Lord of the Rings, that surely helps a lot to understand the mindset of people fine with how the show's going.... but I'll have to disagree anyway :biggrin: not because, as I previously said to Kev, I'm right and the other are wrong, it's just good fun discussing different points of view.
Definitely understood, :tup I find it quite interesting to get different perspectives on this stuff and discuss different sides of the point (without it just being too polarized as some of the heated reaction to this has been elsewhere :lol)
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Ariich said it nicely for me - it feels that the overarching theme of the show was just derailed. I completely accept and understand the premise of "the scouring of the Shire" - but, as important Saruman was, there was no doubt that the big issue of the book was destroying the Ring and that had happened. Cersei is not a secondary villain that survived the big bad, she's one of the ovearching villains of the story. A more fitting equivalent of the scouring of the Shire would be the White Walkers defeated, Cersei dethroned, and the Starks coming home to find Euron has conquered Winterfell.

I didn't want either a big battle in the last episode - but I wanted, and I assumed the story hinted as such, the White Walkers to invade all of Westeros, and every single person realizing "Oh shit, we should have paid attention to the importance of the Wall and how some people told us that the real menace was all along beyond the wall". I thought and assumed that the two issues, the battle for the Iron Throne and the existential menace, would merge into a dramatic meleè.

My thoughts and my assumptions are my own, the show writers are not wrong for having different plans in mind, and nobody who disagrees with me is wrong - heck, I'm actually envious of people who are truly riveting in the excitement of the episode, wish I could be one of them! but I know I'm not alone in thinking that we went from "Soon the whole world will realize how stupid and selfish they were" to "Look, Cersei was right all along, let your enemies destroy each other" and that this is a poor change.

Uh well, let's see what the actual, final battle for the Iron Throne will bring!
Personally, I also feel that I definitely wanted to see the White Walker threat cover more of Westeros. Partly because it'd be an interesting transformation, but part of it is just about the basic reactions that a story makes you have to the characters - when you see a smug queen smirking when she hears the Wall has come down and see stuffy old guys in grey robes dismissing or minimizing it, you just want to see them get egg on their faces. Also, it does strike me as more elegant if they could have threaded the two parts together better. But, having said that, I couldn't quite see how they were going to make it work with the defenders trying to stop them at Winterfell, yet them making it down to King's Landing. I thought it would happen because White Walkers making it to King's Landing would be something people including myself wanted to see (which is why I think the "NK flies to King's Landing" theory was so popular, even though personally I didn't think it would really work on screen or make sense with the buildup), but I couldn't really work out how they were going to have heroes fighting but escaping Winterfell. As it turns out, yeah, they couldn't. One thing the Long Night did very well was establishing the fact that they were absolutely fucked. (Undercut a bit by the named characters surviving so long once it'd been shown so well that they were fucked). If they didn't win there was little chance anyone was walking away to stage dramatic battle 2.0 against the White Walkers further south. So even though I liked the image of White Walkers attacking King's Landing, I see it kind of similar to the lack of Robb Stark attacking King's Landing or Casterly Rock - yeah I was up for it and assumed the story was going that way, but given where the story went I can see why it never happened (not that I'm saying this was as good as the Red Wedding).

For whether Cersei was "right" or not, my last reply to ariich relates to that as well - I don't think just because they managed to defeat the White Walkers this early or even before they got further South implies the message about "bigger threats" over "political squabbling" is being reversed, it's just that there is still some "after the world is saved" conflict to come (though I take your point that Cersei on the Iron Throne is very different to the Scouring of the Shire because it already was one of the major storylines rather than an obviously smaller one introduced later). Whether or not the show's messaging suggests Cersei was right will depend pretty much on what happens, and I'm guessing some things will come home to roost for her.

(Though discussing this stuff does make me consider another possibility for the themes of the story - if a bunch of people come together and sacrifice their own position to save the world from a bigger threat, then find themselves at a disadvantage and eaten alive by the people who sacrificed nothing, is the message that it's better to trust that other foolish people will do what needs done and focus on seizing the opportunity for yourself, or that it's worth it to fight the good fight when needed even if it costs you and lets your rivals win? Unfortunately that does strike me as a potentially Game Of Thrones-ish question :lol Still I don't think it will quite come to that)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2019, 07:37:09 PM: I am still baffled as to what some expected last week.

There were two options:

1) The Night King wins the battle, meaning all of the living are killed (unless a few scamper south when faced with the inevitable).

2) The living win the battle, and the only way for them to win was to kill the Night King.

Did some really want to see the Night King win, everyone in the North dead, and for the army of the dead to then march north and do the same to the south? Yeah, that would have been a real exciting finish to the series. :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2019, 07:49:48 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 01, 2019, 04:26:32 PM
Based on some discussions I'd seen elsewhere where people were acting as though the White Walkers had been dealt with so early and how that indicated they were just a sideplot or a plot device for some bigger "endgame", I did a little number crunching to help demonstrate my point: as of the end of the episode The Long Night, we are 94% of the way through Game of Thrones. And yes, that's accurate down to minutes of runtime (based on the estimated lengths for the last 3 episodes, which might be approximate placeholders rather than exact, but still). So when we're talking about the White Walker storyline and whether or not that was set aside too early, we're talking about a storyline that was introduced in the first scene and had it's climax 94% of the way through the entire story. So it's not over because it was set aside for a "bigger endgame" - it's over because it's near the end of the story.

Been meaning to comment on this part of RuRoRul's post....because of the sentiment that is out there that the resolution to the Night King was 'rushed'. It simply wasn't. I think a lot of people assumed that resolution would be the 'last' one we witnessed as viewers....it wasn't....but, in no way did it diminish the story about the White Walkers and Night King. It ran its course....and now it's (presumably) done.
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Post by: Bolsters on May 02, 2019, 08:50:09 PM: n/a
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 03, 2019, 01:30:35 AM: @RuRoRul, I agree with you that in the grand scheme of things, concluding the existential threat at 94% of the story isn't a bad thing, and you hit the nail on the head about what my and many other people's expectations were - see Cersei realize that she royally fucked up when a horde of wights knocks at her door, and see those smug maesters realize that Sam was right all along, and all of Westeros with them. Not only they will never realize it - most people south of the Twins as I said won't even believe the White Walkers existed.

I agree however that the problem with the army of the dead is that they're not a regular army - they have not a militar goal, they can't be reasoned with, you can't strike a truce with them - they're an unstoppable force of nature, so there's no middle ground, they either conquer everything or get annihilated. It's difficult to have the heroes defeated but living to fight another day in such a scenario.

How would I have done it? heck if I know! some possible choices:

- Since the Night King does not speak anyway and their motives are vague (but most likely there was nothing more to "Weapon of the Children of the Forest gone rogue; they want to destroy humanity and their memory and that's it"), he could have killed Bran and, his major goal achieved, just left Winterfell and kept marching south to conquer all of Westeros, because of mystical reasons or whatever. Defeat the Three Eyed Raven and move on.
- Have Winterfell perfectly walled up and defended during a siege; the heroes realize the battle is lost and that they should run away. It has been estabilished there are secrets passages out of Winterfell and Yara conquered the Iron Islands back as a fall back point in case Winterfell was lost, that looked like foreshadowing. Have the survivors regroup there and form a plan to go back to a now fully conquered Westeros and destroy the Night King once and for all. That would have somehow explained the vision of Dany walking in a destroyed and snowy throne hall - they eventually reach King's Landing and she ponders "so this is what I wanted all my life.. and look what happened, a long gone menace came back and destroyed the world as we knew it, how naive I was and how silly everyone were to fight for a chair", that sort of thing.
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Post by: pg1067 on May 03, 2019, 09:45:37 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 02, 2019, 07:37:09 PM
I am still baffled as to what some expected last week.

There were two options:

1) The Night King wins the battle, meaning all of the living are killed (unless a few scamper south when faced with the inevitable).

2) The living win the battle, and the only way for them to win was to kill the Night King.

Did some really want to see the Night King win, everyone in the North dead, and for the army of the dead to then march north and do the same to the south? Yeah, that would have been a real exciting finish to the series. :tdwn :tdwn

I say the following as a person who liked 8:3 and had no expectations going into it (I never create expectations as to what will happen in a movie or TV show):

There's something of a middle ground between those two options. It would not have been crazy to imagine a more drawn out battle in which it becomes obvious that the NK would win and many of the main characters retreat south (including JS and DT on their dragons). That could have set up a subsequent conflict in which the main characters and the remains of the northern armies are caught in the middle between the Lannister forces and the army of the dead.
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Post by: ariich on May 03, 2019, 10:09:29 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 02, 2019, 07:37:09 PM
I am still baffled as to what some expected last week.

There were two options:

1) The Night King wins the battle, meaning all of the living are killed (unless a few scamper south when faced with the inevitable).

2) The living win the battle, and the only way for them to win was to kill the Night King.

Did some really want to see the Night King win, everyone in the North dead, and for the army of the dead to then march north and do the same to the south? Yeah, that would have been a real exciting finish to the series. :tdwn :tdwn
I'm baffled as to why you think those were the only two options.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 03, 2019, 10:35:21 AM: To be fair I don't think he's wrong. The only way to win at all is to kill the NK, and if the tide had continued in the zombies' favor, anybody who was even lucky enough to survive would have to haul ass south (and probably eventually tire out and get overrun by the dead). And as expensive as the show is I don't think they'd have the budget for TWO Night King army battles of that scale.
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 10:48:41 AM: Did they already have a "truce" or whatever with the NK from long ago? First, they did not portray him as someone who could even do that, second, if he could do it once, seems like it would make a bit more sense than killing him the way they did.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 10:50:25 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 03, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
Did they already have a "truce" or whatever with the NK from long ago? First, they did not portray him as someone who could even do that, second, if he could do it once, seems like it would make a bit more sense than killing him the way they did.

The show hasn't shown any other side to the Night King besides being a zombie essentially, so I doubt it, there is some hope in the books to there being more. This Truce you speak of is a big fan theory, but it may just be nothing in the end like the show.
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 10:52:57 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 10:50:25 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 03, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
Did they already have a "truce" or whatever with the NK from long ago? First, they did not portray him as someone who could even do that, second, if he could do it once, seems like it would make a bit more sense than killing him the way they did.

The show hasn't shown any other side to the Night King besides being a zombie essentially, so I doubt it, there is some hope in the books to there being more. This Truce you speak of is a big fan theory, but it may just be nothing in the end like the show.

Huh. I could have sworn the show mentioned it, but I might be wrong.

Also if he's just a zombie, then how did he make whatever deal with Craster? I doubt that dude just randomly started leaving babies out and the Wights just were like "well....guess we keep him alive?" Feels like some level of organization and communication had to go into that set up.

One more thing. So I know the show has never said anything about this, and it's all just speculation on my part. But I always had the impression that the NK had some kind of foresight. When Dany came with the dragons, he seemed VERY prepared for such a random and unpredictable (to him) event. Dude had spears ready to go and even had the chains necessary to drag the dragon out of the water. So I'm left to believe that either A) He just carries those chains with him that serve virtually no other purpose, or B) Was able to see all of this happen and was prepared well ahead of time. If it's B, then his death makes even less sense to me.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 03, 2019, 10:54:58 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 03, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
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Quote from: Adami on May 03, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
Did they already have a "truce" or whatever with the NK from long ago? First, they did not portray him as someone who could even do that, second, if he could do it once, seems like it would make a bit more sense than killing him the way they did.

The show hasn't shown any other side to the Night King besides being a zombie essentially, so I doubt it, there is some hope in the books to there being more. This Truce you speak of is a big fan theory, but it may just be nothing in the end like the show.

Huh. I could have sworn the show mentioned it, but I might be wrong.

Also if he's just a zombie, then how did he make whatever deal with Craster? I doubt that dude just randomly started leaving babies out and the Wights just were like "well....guess we keep him alive?" Feels like some level of organization and communication had to go into that set up.

That's one of the things I would like an answer to, as well. I read a while ago that in the books there's a suggestion that the Night's King made offerings/sacrifices to the Others (White Walkers) but I don't think that's definitive, and I don't believe they ever gave a real explanation in the show. Hm...
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 03, 2019, 10:57:45 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 03, 2019, 01:30:35 AM
- Have Winterfell perfectly walled up and defended during a siege; the heroes realize the battle is lost and that they should run away. It has been estabilished there are secrets passages out of Winterfell and Yara conquered the Iron Islands back as a fall back point in case Winterfell was lost, that looked like foreshadowing. Have the survivors regroup there and form a plan to go back to a now fully conquered Westeros and destroy the Night King once and for all. That would have somehow explained the vision of Dany walking in a destroyed and snowy throne hall - they eventually reach King's Landing and she ponders "so this is what I wanted all my life.. and look what happened, a long gone menace came back and destroyed the world as we knew it, how naive I was and how silly everyone were to fight for a chair", that sort of thing.

Random thought. Don't remember all the details of the show that well, but here it goes. Isn't winter coming south irregardless of the White Walkers? Perhaps your idea of how it could have ended for Danny (the destroyed snowy hall, wondering why she cared so much about a chair, etc.) is still possible.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 10:57:52 AM: Well, this just goes back to my big issue with the show that started in S8E2 when Bran said what the Night King wants and it pretty much just made all the other references to more to them meaningless if he only wanted to kill everyone. I even brought up the scene with Crasters baby and how the WW took it to the land of always winter. WTF is that all about. I guess we won't know until HBO does the prequel series about the long night.
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Post by: Grappler on May 03, 2019, 11:04:09 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 03, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
One more thing. So I know the show has never said anything about this, and it's all just speculation on my part. But I always had the impression that the NK had some kind of foresight. When Dany came with the dragons, he seemed VERY prepared for such a random and unpredictable (to him) event. Dude had spears ready to go and even had the chains necessary to drag the dragon out of the water. So I'm left to believe that either A) He just carries those chains with him that serve virtually no other purpose, or B) Was able to see all of this happen and was prepared well ahead of time. If it's B, then his death makes even less sense to me.

Given how the show played with time in season 7, and in that episode in particular, I don't see why the chains are such a big deal. A dead dragon in the water isn't going anywhere and they could have come back with the chains. White walkers also routinely carry spears.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 11:06:19 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on May 03, 2019, 10:57:45 AM
Isn't winter coming south irregardless of the White Walkers? Perhaps your idea of how it could have ended for Danny (the destroyed snowy hall, wondering why she cared so much about a chair, etc.) is still possible.

I'm not sure if that's true or not though? It looked like the skies cleared after the battle and it was sunny, but that can still happen in winter so wasn't sure if that's just "the night kings cloud is clear" or "winter has stopped". I'm sure we will find out soon enough though.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 03, 2019, 11:42:16 AM: And now, speaking of expectations not met... remember what the Three Eyed Raven said to Bran? "you will never walk again, but you will fly". Basically everyone creamed their pants in anticipation, "OMG OMG Bran's gonna warg into a dragon!!!".... I suddenly realized that he did warg more than once into ravens, so he already flew :facepalm: :biggrin:

I mean, it's entirely possible that he WILL warg into a dragon, for example Dany's Drogon in the even she goes off the rails, but he did fly already so I won't hold my breath for him warging into a dragon like if it was "promised".
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 11:44:37 AM: Quote from: Grappler on May 03, 2019, 11:04:09 AM
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One more thing. So I know the show has never said anything about this, and it's all just speculation on my part. But I always had the impression that the NK had some kind of foresight. When Dany came with the dragons, he seemed VERY prepared for such a random and unpredictable (to him) event. Dude had spears ready to go and even had the chains necessary to drag the dragon out of the water. So I'm left to believe that either A) He just carries those chains with him that serve virtually no other purpose, or B) Was able to see all of this happen and was prepared well ahead of time. If it's B, then his death makes even less sense to me.

Given how the show played with time in season 7, and in that episode in particular, I don't see why the chains are such a big deal. A dead dragon in the water isn't going anywhere and they could have come back with the chains. White walkers also routinely carry spears.

I didn't say it was such a big deal. But we can still talk about it as something...odd. You can make reasons to explain almost anything. But the show, itself, did not do any of that. In the show, they just had giant chains at the ready. But this was more about NK having foresight. Which would have made that scene make sense.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 03, 2019, 12:40:29 PM: Quote from: ariich on May 03, 2019, 10:09:29 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 02, 2019, 07:37:09 PM
I am still baffled as to what some expected last week.

There were two options:

1) The Night King wins the battle, meaning all of the living are killed (unless a few scamper south when faced with the inevitable).

2) The living win the battle, and the only way for them to win was to kill the Night King.

Did some really want to see the Night King win, everyone in the North dead, and for the army of the dead to then march north and do the same to the south? Yeah, that would have been a real exciting finish to the series. :tdwn :tdwn
I'm baffled as to why you think those were the only two options.

Because in a war (especially one that is clearly to the death), you win or you lose. Two options.

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Quote from: KevShmev on May 02, 2019, 07:37:09 PM
I am still baffled as to what some expected last week.

There were two options:

1) The Night King wins the battle, meaning all of the living are killed (unless a few scamper south when faced with the inevitable).

2) The living win the battle, and the only way for them to win was to kill the Night King.

Did some really want to see the Night King win, everyone in the North dead, and for the army of the dead to then march north and do the same to the south? Yeah, that would have been a real exciting finish to the series. :tdwn :tdwn

I say the following as a person who liked 8:3 and had no expectations going into it (I never create expectations as to what will happen in a movie or TV show):

There's something of a middle ground between those two options. It would not have been crazy to imagine a more drawn out battle in which it becomes obvious that the NK would win and many of the main characters retreat south (including JS and DT on their dragons). That could have set up a subsequent conflict in which the main characters and the remains of the northern armies are caught in the middle between the Lannister forces and the army of the dead.

I don't think it would have been in Jon Snow's character to abandon the north and head south on a dragon while leaving whomever was still alive to be wiped out by the Night King.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 03, 2019, 12:43:17 PM: I agree. Hell he stayed on the ground north of the wall just to keep killing wights and make way toward the Night King when he could've just got on the dragon with everybody else and fled. That's totally not Jon's character.
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 03, 2019, 12:44:57 PM: The cast is really starting to hype the next 3 episodes. Either they are doing damage control or a lot of crazy stuff is going to go down over the next 3 weeks.
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Post by: Chino on May 03, 2019, 12:54:16 PM: Apparently episode 5 is even "bigger" than 3.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 03, 2019, 01:01:20 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 03, 2019, 12:54:16 PM
Apparently episode 5 is even "bigger" than 3.

I've been saying to co-workers and family that 'most' of what we knew about this season had to do with the first three episodes. They've kept a pretty tight grip on info. about the final three. It was reported that they built a bunch of Kingslanding sets...a giant one...rather than film at the location (in Spain?) that they typically did.

You'd have to imagine that we're getting another battle sequence in there. I think the hub bub about 'The Long Night' battle sequence was the duration of the filming and the fact that it was filmed all at night....and 'beat' the Helms Deep time of continual battle.

But...the 'final' battle between the forces left should still be a sight to see.
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Post by: Chino on May 03, 2019, 01:26:23 PM: I'm just curious what could make that battle so big. Who's going to be fighting in it? As discussed before, there's not a whole lot left of the North or anyone that fought with it. The Dothroki are basically gone. I can't imagine there are many unsullied left. What's going to make that battle so big?
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Post by: KevShmev on May 03, 2019, 01:27:51 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 03, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
I'm just curious what could make that battle so big. Who's going to be fighting in it? As discussed before, there's not a whole lot left of the North or anyone that fought with it. The Dothroki are basically gone. I can't imagine there are many unsullied left. What's going to make that battle so big?

Time will tell, but whatever it is, I am sure someone will post about it to complain. :lol :lol

Seriously, the amount of bitching about this show since Sunday is comical to me. I get, we nit pick what we love the most, but some people need to chill a bit and just enjoy the show.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 03, 2019, 01:33:18 PM: Let's be generous and assume Yara shows up somehow with a small number of forces. Let's also assume there are houses south of Winterfell that belong to the North who may finally lend their support now that Dany helped them destroy the army of the dead. Then maybe a couple thousand Unsullied left - they're celebrating and preparing for war very quickly so I just assume a sizeable number of Unsullied remain. So I guess there's that, but still it's a good question. For Cersei there's the army of King's Landing and the Golden Company, and... um. Does Cersei have ANY allies left?

I hope the last battle takes place in daylight. The real Lightbringer is going to be the sun. :lol
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 03, 2019, 01:35:50 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 03, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
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Did they already have a "truce" or whatever with the NK from long ago? First, they did not portray him as someone who could even do that, second, if he could do it once, seems like it would make a bit more sense than killing him the way they did.

The show hasn't shown any other side to the Night King besides being a zombie essentially, so I doubt it, there is some hope in the books to there being more. This Truce you speak of is a big fan theory, but it may just be nothing in the end like the show.

Huh. I could have sworn the show mentioned it, but I might be wrong.

Also if he's just a zombie, then how did he make whatever deal with Craster? I doubt that dude just randomly started leaving babies out and the Wights just were like "well....guess we keep him alive?" Feels like some level of organization and communication had to go into that set up.

This is a question that comes as much from my interpretation of the books as well as from the show, there is no concrete evidence for Craster's communication with the Others or lack thereof so people might have different opinions.

But, for myself I absolutely do not believe that Craster and the Others had a literal "deal" in the same way two sets of people have a deal. I think that there was some sort of "understanding" between the two sides but it was very asymmetrical. As far as Craster was concerned, he was sacrificing his sons to "the gods" (as he himself called them) and he and his home were protected, somehow. As far as the Others were concerned, they had a source of newly born children that they can transform into White Walkers - whether they can do it with any children or there's something special about Craster or the nature of their "arrangement", we don't know. But I would be absolutely shocked if there was ever some moment where an Other came and spoke to Craster and they drew up some sort of contract or sealed a pact in words. I don't believe Craster really knows what's happening or understands the significance of it. I actually think he did stumble upon the arrangement, perhaps from his own ancestors whoever they were. Or if he was influenced to do it, it would be through something indirect like dreams or a vision, rather than an Other coming and pitching him the idea. I think that's exactly in line with the way that Martin treats magic and mysticism in his books; magic in the world of Ice and Fire isn't usually a sort of "Functional Magic", where you can know the components or the words to cast a spell and achieve something very specific. Certainly not when it comes to the big things. That's one of the reasons there are so many mysterious things at work in the series - it's also the reason I think a lot of fan's attempts to "explain" them in a more rigorous, pseudo-scientific way are misguided. It's like trying to work out whether in order for Daenerys to hatch the dragons it absolutely had to be the pyre a dead Khal you were married to and a maegi learned in blood magic screaming as she burned around the time a red comet appeared in the sky. I think in the world of GRRM, all of that mattered, but not because it's some formula that can be applied. The nature of magic is more along the line of miracles - it's unique to the circumstances and not something that can be easily explained.

But, like I said the books or show don't go into any detail either way on Craster's "arrangement" (in the books it's not even confirmed the Others are taking the babies and turning them), so other fan's can have their own opinions.

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One more thing. So I know the show has never said anything about this, and it's all just speculation on my part. But I always had the impression that the NK had some kind of foresight. When Dany came with the dragons, he seemed VERY prepared for such a random and unpredictable (to him) event. Dude had spears ready to go and even had the chains necessary to drag the dragon out of the water. So I'm left to believe that either A) He just carries those chains with him that serve virtually no other purpose, or B) Was able to see all of this happen and was prepared well ahead of time. If it's B, then his death makes even less sense to me.

I think the Night King definitely has some sort of foresight, or greenseer like ability. The fact he is able to interact with Bran in a vision, and detect Bran watching him through ravens, suggests this. As do the events of Beyond the Wall. Personally, I think the chains aren't really that big a focus - one thing that has been consistent from beginning to end, even through the Long Night, is that the White Walkers are a much more organised and competent force than most give them credit for (not spotting Arya rushing the Night King aside). Getting ahold of big chains shouldn't be considered that big a deal for them, and even though Viserion was hauled out of the lake at the end of the episode that doesn't mean it happened straight after, it could have been hours or days or [insert however long needed to go fetch chains] later. But since I think they did predict the coming of the dragon they could have made arrangements to have the chains closeby. I think the fact they predicted it is shown more by the way they trapped them on the frozen lake and waited, and the way the Night King reacted to the arrival of the dragons.

However, even for the likes of Bran, Melisandre and others, seeing the future isn't always clear. Bran can see view the past and things that are going on in the present with some control, but from what we've seen he only gets some visions of the future and hasn't been shown to be able to control or choose what he sees. If the Night King is similar, then just because he has some measure of "sight" doesn't mean he should know everything that's going to happen.

My interpretation though was that when the Night King came to kill Bran and Bran was just waiting for him doing nothing, they were essentially having a "vision-off" - Bran knew or sensed that the Night King would die there and the Night King didn't know or couldn't see it. That's why he had that curious look when he got to Bran. So basically if the Night King did have some sort of foresight, Bran's foresight "beat" his (because Arya was somehow able to get past all the White Walkers, which many people find questionable, but I think that's the general idea).
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Post by: Chino on May 03, 2019, 01:39:17 PM: Is there any chance Bran can also raise the dead and take that army south on behalf of the North?
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 01:49:31 PM: I hope Cersei gives birth to a wight (who cares how) who looks at her with his cold blue baby eyes and raises all the dead everywhere who kill everyone and then the baby kills Cersei and then he becomes king. A little infant baby night king.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 03, 2019, 01:56:25 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 03, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
I'm just curious what could make that battle so big. Who's going to be fighting in it? As discussed before, there's not a whole lot left of the North or anyone that fought with it. The Dothroki are basically gone. I can't imagine there are many unsullied left. What's going to make that battle so big?

I still think that Dario and the Second Sons will make an appearance. He loves Dany and would find a way to get across the sea to help her....especially if he had heard (which he most likely would have) that the Golden Company had been hired by Cersi.

Heck....I wouldn't put it past him to have had the Second Sons have joined the Golden Company just to get across the Narrow Sea to fight for Dany.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 03, 2019, 01:56:57 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 03, 2019, 01:27:51 PM
Seriously, the amount of bitching about this show since Sunday is comical to me. I get, we nit pick what we love the most, but some people need to chill a bit and just enjoy the show.

QFT
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 01:58:03 PM: Pics from next episode showed a decently large fleet of ships with the Targarian flag.

Not sure if it's the Greyjoy fleet or something else. But I assume that will be her new army.
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 03, 2019, 02:04:39 PM: That makes sense plus .....Dragons.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 03, 2019, 03:55:41 PM: I like a description of Bran that I have read: that he was handed Wikipedia set in a different language, and that he's trying to figure out how it all works. By now he must have figured out how to change the settings, but he's obviously overwhelmed by all the pages he had to read and probably still has to read.

About the final showdown.... very unkilely, but a part of me hopes that Euron talks Cersei into taking advantage of the fact that the North now is weakened and licking its icy wounds, and that now it's time to strike, and so leads the Lannister army and the Golden Company into an invasion of the North which turns out as brilliantly as the Nazi invasion of Russia in winter turned out. That would level the playing field.

Maybe Dany just goes "ah, fuck it" and turns up the Fire and Blood mode and goes to burn King's Landing, which will cause problems with Jon.

If there's gonna be a sea battle, we'll have to forget that the Iron Islands are on one side of Westeros and King's Landing on the other, and we'll have to accept that Yara circumnavigated down to Dorne and all the way back up to the capital. As long as enough time passes, that won't be an issue.

Other random speculations... Sansa - Tyrion are being shown as a possible "couple" again.... maybe they'll be together in the end, but if that happens, most likely it's because Tyrion won't have a queen to serve anymore. Ouch.

Oh, and given the penchant for shock moments of the authors, I'd expect that the crossbow becomes Chekov's crossbow, and that it will be the weapon which will kill Cersei. Most likely shot suddenly by someone we don't expect to, and that will have us wondering how the hell he/she could have gotten that shot and where they were up until then but it will somehow look plausible because it will appear so awesome. Let's not forget that the "Valonqar" part of the prophecy to Cersei was NOT shown in the cold opening of Season 5, so as far as the show goes, Cersei was never told the "little brother" will kill her, so let's not take it for granted that Jaimie will kill her (also, what will Jaimie do now? "Ok guys, it's been a pleasure to fight alongside you, guess I'll go back to Cersei and plan to defeat you"?).

Also, apparently many fans want a "Cleganebowl", so there's totally gonna be this other fan service of the Hound killing the Mountain (Oberyn Martell sends his regards).

And I bet people in the North will be too much shell shocked to react to that, but it'd be funny if someone would ask Dany "Ok, thanks for burning thousands of wights but THE HELL was the ice dragon and HOW IN THE SEVEN HELLS did the Night King get it?" :lol (to which Jon should have to explain his brilliant plan of showing a wight to someone that ultimely didn't give a damn about it)
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Post by: Progmetty on May 03, 2019, 04:01:14 PM: Took this shot of JR in Austin on Wednesday:

(https://i.ibb.co/ZBJgp54/20190501-211829.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0CX9RT4)

I guess we know where his loyalties are heh
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Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 05:24:29 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 03, 2019, 01:39:17 PM
Is there any chance Bran can also raise the dead and take that army south on behalf of the North?

One theory I was thinking about, which I dont think would happen, is that since the north is decimated, bran would purposely sacrifice himself and take dragonglass to the heart on the weirwood tree to resurrect the dead for their army against the south. Doing this purposefully and "knowing" he wouldnt be ultimately bad but in the end he would either let someone kill him to kill his army after they won, or he would ban himself to the land of always winter for thousands of years until he changes his mind.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 03, 2019, 05:29:28 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: Chino on May 03, 2019, 01:39:17 PM
Is there any chance Bran can also raise the dead and take that army south on behalf of the North?

One theory I was thinking about, which I dont think would happen, is that since the north is decimated, bran would purposely sacrifice himself and take dragonglass to the heart on the weirwood tree to resurrect the dead for their army against the south. Doing this purposefully and "knowing" he wouldnt be ultimately bad but in the end he would either let someone kill him to kill his army after they won, or he would ban himself to the land of always winter for thousands of years until he changes his mind.

That would be awesome, and in fact, look what I just found on IGN (https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/05/03/game-of-thrones-is-night-king-really-dead):

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During an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live!, Jimmy asked if we are for sure done with the White Walkers after the events of “The Long Night,” and Benioff responded, “Yeah, we’re not going to answer that.”

I hope they're not just trying to build up suspense and mystery because I called something very similar on Monday and damn it I want to be right :)
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Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 05:34:14 PM: Yup, that stems from the ideas I read (yours too) about the night king not being over
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 05:40:58 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 03, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: Chino on May 03, 2019, 01:39:17 PM
Is there any chance Bran can also raise the dead and take that army south on behalf of the North?

One theory I was thinking about, which I dont think would happen, is that since the north is decimated, bran would purposely sacrifice himself and take dragonglass to the heart on the weirwood tree to resurrect the dead for their army against the south. Doing this purposefully and "knowing" he wouldnt be ultimately bad but in the end he would either let someone kill him to kill his army after they won, or he would ban himself to the land of always winter for thousands of years until he changes his mind.

I hate how good that actually is.
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 06:20:14 PM: I actually started thinking about that more. Still think it would be a sweet ending. (Though I'm not sure who he'd raise since they burn the bodies next episode)

But I started thinking "WOahhhhhh what if that's the other Night King's origin? A three eyed raven who turned to help the COTF and then slowly went mad and turned on them" but then I realized they already showed us the first Night King and he was turned against his will. Still, that would have been cool.
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Post by: Adami on May 05, 2019, 05:13:32 PM: Not too long now til an episode that will be SOOOOO huge that the cast doesn't mention it and only talks about episode 5.

WHO'S PUMPED?!?!?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2019, 05:39:47 PM: :corn im pretty excited and hopeful they have some good story telling to do this episode
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Post by: The Walrus on May 05, 2019, 05:45:21 PM: Sipping on rum and cokes and watching the battle yet again. Ready for some colors :corn
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Post by: Adami on May 05, 2019, 06:10:44 PM: Bets on Yara showing up with elephants?

I also think Cersei should have robot dragons.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 05, 2019, 06:13:47 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 05, 2019, 05:13:32 PM
Not too long now til an episode that will be SOOOOO huge that the cast doesn't mention it and only talks about episode 5.

WHO'S PUMPED?!?!?
:lol

Rewatched Episode 1-3 earlier. Actually enjoyed the battle episode more rather than less (and was still able to see things just as clearly even though it was kind of awkward daylight lighting rather than 2am with the lights off. Guess it was just fine on my TV). The Night King's actual death scene isn't quite the same without the tension of wondering what's going to happen (though I'm still fine with Arya doing it, her story in the episode actually set it up very well), but I enjoyed a lot of the earlier battle just as much or more without being in that intense "what's going to happen next" style of viewing. I thought it might seem worse in the light of day given all the complaints about the tactics and characters surviving too long while surrounded but if anything that part of it wasn't even as bad as I remembered (except a handful of instances).
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Post by: The Walrus on May 05, 2019, 08:23:27 PM: That episode rocked. OMG. SPOILERS obviously:

I can't believe Rhaegal went down like that. I was expecting it next episode. That last bolt went right through his neck, omg. There were a lot of great acting performances here. Tormund was funny. Dany's rage was palpable. That last scene in front of King's Landing was fantastic in my opinion. Lena Headey was awesome.
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Post by: faizoff on May 05, 2019, 08:25:36 PM: Did not expect that Euron sneak attack again. I thought for sure they would just clean up the rest of the remaining army.

Didn't even think we would have goodbyes from Jon to Sam, Tormund and Ghost.
Another battle episode next by Sapochnik! and this time it wont be in the dark! Can't believe this is the endgame with just two more episodes... and of course that episode was amazing.
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Post by: Adami on May 05, 2019, 08:27:15 PM: Good episode. I have complaints, but I'll save them for now. Let everyone enjoy it.

Though I was amused by the initial close up of Ghost, as if the writers were like "SEE?!?! WE DIDN'T BLOODY FORGET HIM YA TWATS!!"
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Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2019, 08:27:22 PM: That was pretty great. The sneak attack caught me off guard, but having a bunch of ships firing at once at the dragons did not surprise me at all. I figured if one would bite the dust, that would be the way. Next week is gonna be bananas.
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Post by: faizoff on May 05, 2019, 08:31:34 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 05, 2019, 08:27:15 PM
I have complaints

I do too and they are all related to the number of episodes left. A six episode season with tremendous amount of storylines is just going by too fast. I think it hampers the end results at times, I don't have any issues with whatever storylines they have but it really has no time for setup at all. Barely do you have a setup and then boom something happens and you can't even register at times.

But I'm fine with it. It really can't be helped at this point which only makes it feeling really rushed. I still am loving all of it though.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 05, 2019, 08:33:30 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 05, 2019, 08:25:36 PM
Did not expect that Euron sneak attack again. I thought for sure they would just clean up the rest of the remaining army.

Didn't even think we would have goodbyes from Jon to Sam, Tormund and Ghost.
Another battle episode next by Sapochnik! and this time it wont be in the dark! Can't believe this is the endgame with just two more episodes... and of course that episode was amazing.

I knew the ballistas were serious weapons but I guess I didn't think about the carnage just one of them could do to a ship. Those bolts are HUGE. Really cool shots of the ships getting obliterated.
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Post by: faizoff on May 05, 2019, 08:35:14 PM: Oh and favorite conversations in the episode were with Varys. He was being his old self again.
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Post by: Adami on May 05, 2019, 08:35:35 PM: Anyone else realize that Dany would have essentially won the war a while ago if not for Euron Greyjoy? Dude keeps messing her up. You'd think she'd learn to stop using ships. It never works out. Ever.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2019, 08:37:24 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 05, 2019, 08:35:35 PM
Anyone else realize that Dany would have essentially the war a while ago if not for Euron Greyjoy? Dude keeps messing her up. You'd think she'd learn to stop using ships. It never works out. Ever.

I think I am looking more forward to his death than Cersei's. She is at least a formidable opponent; he's just a troll.
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Post by: Adami on May 05, 2019, 08:39:14 PM: Speaking of Cersie....she literally could have won the war at the end there. Mostly at least.

Could have killed Dany, that little unsullied group, a dragon and her brother if she wanted. She just let them go instead.
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Post by: faizoff on May 05, 2019, 09:38:13 PM: So the episode's name is The Last of the Starks. Interesting title.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 05, 2019, 09:38:19 PM: That's war etiquette for you. I love it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 05, 2019, 09:57:54 PM: Loved the episode.....was truly shocked to see Rhagal bite the dust like that....he got smoked!!!!

Loved seeing Varys back to himself.....seems all he needed to hear was that there was someone better than Dany to rule, he’s been keeping a keen eye on her.

At this point I don’t see how effective Drogon can be. Surely Kingslanding is outfitted with hundreds of those crossbolt guns.

Can’t wait for next week
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Post by: lonestar on May 05, 2019, 10:02:12 PM: Solid episode, Dany is borderline rage now, King's Landing is gonna be a bbq soon. Jamie breaking Brienne's heart was just fucked up, thought he'd turned over a new leaf but he's still the same old spineless douche.

Tyrion breaking Jamie's balls over fucking Brienne had to be the best laugh of the series for me..."I finally get to make tall jokes..." :rollin
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 05, 2019, 10:08:17 PM: Easily my favorite episode of this season....so far.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 05, 2019, 10:48:24 PM: Oh and Jamie heading off to Kingslanding.....I think it’s pretty clear he’s heading there to kill Cersi.
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Post by: Zoom E on May 05, 2019, 11:09:36 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 05, 2019, 10:48:24 PM
Oh and Jamie heading off to Kingslanding.....I think it’s pretty clear he’s heading there to kill Cersi.

Definitely. That would be kind of poetic.
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Post by: masterthes on May 06, 2019, 12:48:20 AM: why can't Bran (if he is still Bran) warg into Cersei, make her abdicate the throne, then kill herself?
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Post by: soupytwist on May 06, 2019, 03:52:45 AM: Aside from the way too acurate massive Crossbows (which became way less acurate when requiring to the much closer Drogon). This was the best episode of the season - loved the way the happy victory party started to turn sour!

Also shouldn't Euron now know Cersei isn't carrying HIS child if Tyrion knows about the pregnancy?
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Post by: lonestar on May 06, 2019, 05:22:38 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on May 06, 2019, 03:52:45 AM
Also shouldn't Euron now know Cersei isn't carrying HIS child if Tyrion knows about the pregnancy?

I'm sure that'll come into play, they were way to deliberate about showing her during that scene.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 05:30:46 AM: I enjoyed the episode, best of the season probably and it started pretty slow and felt like episode 2 again but then we got the payoff, or a payoff, we've been waiting for with the surprise attack and that ending wow, that was powerful.
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Post by: faizoff on May 06, 2019, 05:53:14 AM: I see a ton of backlash on the gameofthrones subreddit. Many are valid complaints and at this point I personally think a lot of it stems from having a very short season with a ton of storylines jammed in one episode.

I thought season 7 moved fast but man season 8 is moving at an even faster pace.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 05:57:25 AM: Some people are just never happy, and quite frankly, a bunch of crybabies. "That episode moved too slow." "That episode moved too fast." Whatever happening to just enjoying the show's final season without nitpicking every little thing?
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Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 06:05:49 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 05:57:25 AM
Some people are just never happy, and quite frankly, a bunch of crybabies. "That episode moved too slow." "That episode moved too fast." Whatever happening to just enjoying the show's final season without nitpicking every little thing?

+1
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Post by: Chino on May 06, 2019, 06:07:17 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 05, 2019, 09:57:54 PM
Loved the episode.....was truly shocked to see Rhagal bite the dust like that....he got smoked!!!!

Loved seeing Varys back to himself.....seems all he needed to hear was that there was someone better than Dany to rule, he’s been keeping a keen eye on her.

At this point I don’t see how effective Drogon can be. Surely Kingslanding is outfitted with hundreds of those crossbolt guns.

Can’t wait for next week

Gendry is going to be rage smithing a bunch of dragon armor for Drogon
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Post by: Chino on May 06, 2019, 06:14:48 AM: I thought this was a decent episode. It had a few bagaboos that kind of pissed me off, but it was decent.

- Drogon dodging a salvo of ballista shots after 3/3 hits on the other dragon was a little... dumb.
- Jaime did that to Brienne on purpose so she wouldn't follow him. He's trying to keep her safe while he goes to kill Cersei
- Euron now knows the baby isn't his, that could make things interesting
- Fuck Jon for not petting his good boi
- When did Bronn become such a dick?
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 06, 2019, 06:16:43 AM: I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. It was a little up and down in places though. All the political talk between tyrion and Varys was excellent. That's the kind of drama that I eat up.

The 2nd dragon death was bs. With an arial viewpoint, how the fuck did she not see those ships? In order to fire a bolt directly at something, you have to be in the target's view. Its war time ffs, And after losing one dragon already, she should be hyper vigilant to ANY threat. Also, dragons are supposed to be very intelligent and probably would have moved out of the way. I just don't see that happening so easily. Were they seriously not expecting ANY type of ambush? How about scout out the area? Jesus. And did no one think of cross bolts when aegon the conqueror dominated the continent? Makes the dragons a non-threat.

Also, they are all dead and beat down in the water, why not just kill them right then and there?

I loved when they said "The best ruler may be the one that doesn't want to lead". Makes a lot of sense.

Dany's inpatient's almost cost her the war. All her advisors were like Yo, we just got our asses handed to us by the dead like 5 mins ago and you want to attack king's lands like right now?, are you on crack? Let your troops heal and re-couperate. God damn. They even were talking about more and more people pledging loyalty to her. Just let Cersie starve for a while. Her own people will topple her and you DON'T lose a 2nd dragon...

and I would bet that if it looked like she would lose, Cersie would use the wildfire to destroy the entire city.

also, just a little fun goof. Someone left their starbucks cup out, lol

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/xtC-bT-DhK1Xf9fMxCTiazG9_Ng=/0x0:2040x1360/920x613/filters:focal(1606x983:1932x1309):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/63737455/got_coffee2.0.jpg)
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 06, 2019, 06:21:17 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 05:30:46 AM
I enjoyed the episode, best of the season probably and it started pretty slow and felt like episode 2 again but then we got the payoff, or a payoff, we've been waiting for with the surprise attack and that ending wow, that was powerful.

Agreed!

Quote from: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 05:57:25 AM
Some people are just never happy, and quite frankly, a bunch of crybabies. "That episode moved too slow." "That episode moved too fast." Whatever happening to just enjoying the show's final season without nitpicking every little thing?

Sadly, the show is now in a place that will be difficult to climb out of. The internet hate train has left the station and probably cannot be stopped. I don't know if it is going to reach Star Wars levels, but people are getting more and more grumpy every week. I am expecting a highly controversial next couple of weeks, to say the least. :coolio
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Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 06:32:36 AM: I must say, as much as I am annoyed with Sansa being so bitchy and anti Dany, but I am enjoying that one major storyline this season of Jon being a targ and the spreading of it. I feel like Jon is so righteous here and trying to do it all right, but with Dany on end and Sansa on the other, it looks like it might tear them apart.

And Varys, where's he been all this time? The realm! Haven't heard that come up in awhile it feels like. He gave Dany the ultimatum too essentially during the war consoul. He promised to never stab her in the back and to bring up his concerns to her face, which he did, and not is plotting against her. I like it a lot. However, i think Tyrion needs to stomp on it if he were a good hand. Sorry, but that treason is way too serious and Varys was way too honest. He should lose his head for that conversation even if it was mostly in good spirits, but we all know Varys is just so powerful and seems to get things his way eventually.

I thought it sucked Tormund is going back north. Personally, I think Dany shouldn't allow it. She needs everyone and she did save the northerners, anyone able to fight should help them in the south before returning home. Also, he's a great character, I don't want that to be the end of him.

WTF Bronn. I didn't expect him to kill the brothers, but I thought he'd be a little nicer but I guess he's trying to show he is serious here and only care about one thing. I guess they made their point with that scene.

That was an epic beheading, with the body falling off the wall too and the puddles of blood behind them at the end. Plus Cersei's crazed look. I feel like this is where the show does things the best. The tension. Also, I don't get why she just didn't finish them off there. Sure it's TV so they can't do that, but given they already broke the wedding rules and are going to off Missandai's head, why not just go all the way and end it there? I'm surprised Cersei has any ounce of humanity in her.

I don't know why Euron didn't just finish off the survivors of the fleet. Totally seems like something pirates would do, but maybe with their captive and the death of a dragon, they felt they were comfortable to go report back?

I did feel the partying dragged a bit, a lot of those scenes felt like fan fiction again, just writing stuff to make the fans happy but not really progressing the story in any meaningful way besides getting Brienne and Jaime to bang, although I enjoyed the call back to the drinking game. Gendry's scene was good too, getting recognized and all but then getting dumped by Arya. I wonder if there is more to those two or thats it between them.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 06:46:40 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on May 06, 2019, 06:21:17 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 05:30:46 AM
I enjoyed the episode, best of the season probably and it started pretty slow and felt like episode 2 again but then we got the payoff, or a payoff, we've been waiting for with the surprise attack and that ending wow, that was powerful.

Agreed!

Quote from: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 05:57:25 AM
Some people are just never happy, and quite frankly, a bunch of crybabies. "That episode moved too slow." "That episode moved too fast." Whatever happening to just enjoying the show's final season without nitpicking every little thing?

Sadly, the show is now in a place that will be difficult to climb out of. The internet hate train has left the station and probably cannot be stopped. I don't know if it is going to reach Star Wars levels, but people are getting more and more grumpy every week. I am expecting a highly controversial next couple of weeks, to say the least. :coolio

This has been the most annoying thing about the season. Get over it. Seriously. We all knew the last two seasons were shortened.....we don’t like it but we knew it......who cares ‘why’ they were shorter....they are, that’s that.

You can nit pick the writing all you want and say it’s dumbed down now and the nuances of Martins writing have vanished....certainly valid....but it’s still a great show and folks bitching about this and that show just how spoiled ‘we’ are with technology and all the content available today.

Raise your hand if you needed to see three or four more episodes of conversational foreplay between JAmie and Brianne before they shagged? Anyone need to watch a few episodes more of Sansa brooding over Jon being a Targaryn before she told someone? I mean, sure....give us (10) episodes and they can really flush things out and spoon feed it all to us. But I suspect there’s no amount of episodes that will make certain sects of this fan base happy....congratulations GOT fans you’re now members of elite company along with the Star Wars fans who can find any and everything to whine about instead of just enjoying an F’n show for what it is. It’s very simple....you don’t like it any longer ...don’t watch it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 07:07:07 AM: So before I keep posting here, are we saying that this is no longer a discussion thread and is solely a praise thread? That criticisms are now just spoiled fans who hate everything?

Is the show so fragile? Or your love of the show so fragile that criticism threatens to completely ruin it for you?

If we're to the point of only saying positive things about this show and having to swiftly discredit anyone who has criticism, then I guess that's where we are. Unfortunate though. Hopefully not the case.

I don't see anyone coming in here and just trashing the show. I see people who love the show and like it less now but still enjoy it. I don't see why anyone who isn't at least 90% on board should be shunned.
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 06, 2019, 07:20:16 AM: I thought it was a great episode with great writing.

I don't have a problem with criticisms but I think the amount of complaining about the show both here and everywhere is ridiculous. It's not a perfect show but it's still on of the best things on TV. It's a sad state of the world when "fans" are overly bitching on a weekly basis. This has really annoyed me lately. Whether it's about Endgame or Star Wars or whatever. People must be really unhappy to rage about fake shit.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 07:21:50 AM: Of course not, Adami. But IMO the level of whining about the show has reached new heights this season and it's ridiculous. Also, there are a lot of good arguments from the people with criticism, but there are just as many to explain those perceived flaws. Furthermore, "flaws" do not equal "trash." What I push back on are the criticisms that the show is suddenly "hot garbage" because of some flaws. Every single show has flaws.

I don't really see any big problems with last night's episode, that's the thing. But I went online to check Reddit and it was literally nothing but "this show sucks" "the writing is so awful" "wtf is this shit?!" "these writers fucking suck thanks for ruining the greatest television show in history and making it the worst show ever" The hyperbole is RIDICULOUS.

Like the complaints about Euron's ballista accuracy. I don't see the problem with that. It was a clear day, the fleet would see that thing coming far enough in advance to ready the bolts. Dany is only one person on one dragon, the fleet has probably hundreds of eyeballs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 07:29:51 AM: Well first, you seeing no problems when other people do can lead to great discussion as long as both parties are respectful.

I don't see many problems with the MCU, but some people think most of those movies are complete trash. Such is life.

And I'll tell you the same thing I tell Stadler, if you have issues with extremists on different websites, deal with them, don't bring that frustration here where I don't see anyone making those claims.

I have big problems with the writing, as I have made clear, but I don't think the show is garbage. Why the hell else would I get excited to watch it every Sunday night? We don't have any trolls that i can see here on DTF. But for people like me, who have valid criticism, even if you disagree and don't see it, when you guys come in here and start bashing people who criticize the show because of what you read elsewhere, it sounds a lot like "If you don't have anything positive to say, then shut the hell up!"

You know? I want to be able to talk about how bad the writing is in my perspective. But also how amazing the acting is. How fantastic some of the directing is. Weird theories we all have. Silly theories we all have (or maybe that's just me) etc. I don't want to come in here to multiple paragraphs over multiple posts about how everyone who has complaints is a spoiled "hater" who just wants to ruin everything. That is very much the case elsewhere, but not here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 07:35:25 AM: But can't we all just see that the high level of dislike is for a reason? The show is botching major storylines. I do think there's an aspect of "not meeting the fan created theories" but a lot of it is flat out bad storytelling and a quick ending. I think it's totally fair to point these out. I don't see anyone shitting on the show, most of it is constructive criticism in discussion, not bashing. It sucks for those who have an non stop love for the show to read all the criticisms, but I don't think anyone here is really out of line or trying to bring down the experience for others.

Having said that, I'm kind of surprised with so much hate though for the last episode as I thought the second half of the episode was top notch GOT material. Sure, there's plenty of things to criticize, but I thought at least overall, this was a return to what I expected GOT to be like.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 07:35:44 AM: Why can't I/we bring up the reaction on other websites when it's part of a discussion about the consensus of the episode by the fanbase, which those other websites are part of? I've never used those sites as a barometer for opinions here, so I think that's fair discussion. Also I've never once implied any of what I wrote was directed to you so stop taking it personally please. I also never called the show perfect. But perhaps maybe I just want to talk about the good and cool things right after the episode premiered instead of taking it down a peg

Personally I don't think the writing is bad. Last night's episode made sense. Maybe I'm just the adult equivalent of a baby being amused by shiny keychains, but I still had fun, so whatever. I'll take my happy thoughts and keep them to myself so the critiques can have their time in the spotlight :hat
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 07:42:59 AM: I should add I love discussing this show here even with people who have problems with it. I have problems too, I just don't want to dwell on them right now, there's so much good to talk about... the cinematography was wonderful in that last scene
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 07:45:22 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 06, 2019, 07:42:59 AM
I should add I love discussing this show here even with people who have problems with it. I have problems too, I just don't want to dwell on them right now, there's so much good to talk about...

And on the opposite, at leats with the last few episodes, I find it hard to focus on the positives when the negatives were so large. Regardless, I still love the show to death. The dislike is strong because my like is also so strong. I know for me, I wouldn't have such strong opinions if my love and attachment to the show weren't so strong.

To compare, I used to really like the Walking Dead, used to discuss it here a lot and eventually I started really disliking it and eventually just stopped watching, there's none of that here. Even with the negatives, I am still loving the sunday nights watching this show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 06, 2019, 07:50:15 AM: I don't think that characterisation of people's criticism was based on what anyone had posted here. But across the internet in general some of the negative reactions do seem to descend into hyperbole and vitriol and I think people were commenting more on that (rather than responding to people here). Dismissing critics as "just being spoiled crybabies" is a bit of a cop-out that could be said about any criticism of anything but I understand it for some of the more extreme level of some reactions.

I'm not an arbiter of what criticism is allowed in this thread so this is just the opinion of one guy who reads and sometimes posts in the thread, but I find the level of posts here interesting and appropriate, criticism included, that's why this forum's Game of Thrones thread is one of my top spots for online discussion of the show. I guess one of the reasons though is it's usually been a place where people can discuss the good, the bad and the ugly without anyone going too overboard so from my perspective it would be a shame if everyone here suddenly only turned to only being interested in trying to one-up the last post's hyperbole about how much they hate the show (even if the show's episodes were the cause of that). But I don't see any signs of it going that way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 07:54:34 AM: Well let's talk about the negatives then. The only reason I push back is because I often just think the 'problems' are minor and not always major (Battle of Winterfell being an exception). I get the criticisms with the Battle of Winterfell, absolutely, but last night's... I watched it twice in a row and I thought it was probably the best episode of the season. So I'm really curious what the issues are. The only one I can think of is Dany not seeing Euron's fleet, and according to D&D, she literally just "forgot about the Euron and the Ironborn fleet" which has me going "uhhhhh what" - but beyond that I don't have any major criticisms. Missandei was sent off in the skiff so it's likely they just rowed on up and captured her while everyone else fled, and of course Cersei & Euron are going to be aware of Dany's highest-level assistants.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 06, 2019, 07:54:53 AM: With regards to the writing to me, it looks like it has become consciously and purposely less intricate. I think D&D are focussing more on event-driven dialog and filling in dialog to lead up to said event. The story lines are converging and interaction is always shifting to accommodate those events.

I personally don't have an issue with this approach because there are several characters in the show and it could be the best way to tie up loose ends. I also mostly agree with many of the criticisms and think they are very valid, but in broad strokes I think some of those flaws on the show are ok.

I would've liked them to move away from the scenarios where someone is saved at the last minute because I think you just do those so many times, when it actually doesn't happen you quite don't feel the impact.

But even with all these flaws and issues I enjoy the show immensely and fully recognize people will *NOT* feel the same as me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 06, 2019, 07:59:56 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 07:29:51 AM
And I'll tell you the same thing I tell Stadler, if you have issues with extremists on different websites, deal with them, don't bring that frustration here where I don't see anyone making those claims.
Exactly. I don't recall a single person here suggesting that the show is now "trash".

If we're going to complain about what people/trolls on other sites and social media are saying then we'd be doing that in other threads. Better to surely focus on what people actually want to discuss here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 08:00:48 AM: Again. I never said anyone here called the show trash.

But I get it, I'll stop bringing up other sites and what other people think
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 06, 2019, 08:08:15 AM: Just to clarify as I don't want any misunderstanding: I'm not suggesting you should never bring it up. I understand as much as anyone the frustration, I'm often the one still liking something that others are ragging on. But if it's brought up when someone here raises any kind of criticism, even when they say they liked it, then it comes off as very defensive and makes it harder to have a good discussion about it like we did last week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 08:10:01 AM: Gotcha. I'm down with that. :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 08:29:29 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 06, 2019, 08:00:48 AM
Again. I never said anyone here called the show trash.

But I get it, I'll stop bringing up other sites and what other people think

Same here. To Adami and cramx my post this morning was not directed at you two or any others in here who have voiced their concerns about the show. I think this thread has been great for discussing the issues both good and bad about the show. I made my post after a half hour of seeing/reading other sites out there and came here to bitch about it and after re-reading my post I can see how it looks like it could have been directed at those here who said they have issues.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 08:56:30 AM: Kattle, I wasn't specifically targeting you, sorry for that confusion.

As for the rest, when I came into the thread and saw multiple posts in a row about how people should just get over their dislikes or stop watching, or whatever, even if it was directed at Reddit, it felt very much like a "like it or get out." Glad to know that's not the case.

Was anyone else expecting a bit more celebration for Arya literally ending thousands of years of threats in one move and killing the most unbeatable army ever? Dany gave her one call out. That's it. I know she didn't want more, but no one else seemed to care much.

Also very curious where she and The Hound are going. I assume it's King Landing, but I'm more into that story right now than much of the others.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 09:00:46 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 08:56:30 AM
As for the rest, when I came into the thread and saw multiple posts in a row about how people should just get over their dislikes or stop watching, or whatever, even if it was directed at Reddit, it felt very much like a "like it or get out."

Well...I don't know what else to say to you then Adami.....I specifically directed an apology to you and Cramx....but, whatevs...I think I know where I stand with you anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 09:01:27 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 09:00:46 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 08:56:30 AM
As for the rest, when I came into the thread and saw multiple posts in a row about how people should just get over their dislikes or stop watching, or whatever, even if it was directed at Reddit, it felt very much like a "like it or get out."

Well...I don't know what else to say to you then Adami.....I specifically directed an apology to you and Cramx....but, whatevs...I think I know where I stand with you anyway.

I added more to my post once I realized I forgot to acknowledge that I was wrong haha. Sorry about that man.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 09:04:21 AM: As far as the show is concerned.....I'm not buying that's the last time we will see Tormund or 'the North' be a part of Jon's life. They threw some dialogue in there that seemed to hint that Jon's ultimate 'fate' or spot in that world will be in the North.

It's not to far fetched to imagine that when it's all said and done....Jon (Aegon) will be the heir to the throne and the one set to lead and he may abdicate his throne to Sansa....then become warden of the North or maybe even just go full blown 'wildling'
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 06, 2019, 09:16:47 AM: Apologies, friends. Certainly did not mean to start a shit storm about Game of Thrones discussion. I tried to make it clear that I was talking about the internet as a whole, not this thread in particular, but see now that I did a bad job. As usual, the discussion around these parts has been very reasonable, fun, insightful, and entertaining. I'm just forever unseasoned, you know?

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 09:04:21 AM
As far as the show is concerned.....I'm not buying that's the last time we will see Tormund or 'the North' be a part of Jon's life. They threw some dialogue in there that seemed to hint that Jon's ultimate 'fate' or spot in that world will be in the North.

That made me think that Jon will ultimately just go beyond the wall. As long as he is part of the Seven Kingdoms, he will be drawn into conflict and the allure of rule. Perhaps he ultimately talks Danny off the ledge, helps her take the Iron Throne in a way that is not Mad King v 2.0, and then flees north so that her rule is uncontested.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 09:25:35 AM: Drogon better be wearing armor next time we see him
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 09:32:52 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 08:29:29 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 06, 2019, 08:00:48 AM
Again. I never said anyone here called the show trash.

But I get it, I'll stop bringing up other sites and what other people think

Same here. To Adami and cramx my post this morning was not directed at you two or any others in here who have voiced their concerns about the show. I think this thread has been great for discussing the issues both good and bad about the show. I made my post after a half hour of seeing/reading other sites out there and came here to bitch about it and after re-reading my post I can see how it looks like it could have been directed at those here who said they have issues.

I second this post. :tup :tup

I saw an article this morning where someone was bitching about them killing off the last woman of color on the show and I was like, are you f'ing kidding me? :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: Some just love to bitch about anything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 09:34:09 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 06, 2019, 09:25:35 AM
Drogon better be wearing armor next time we see him

No kidding. I honestly don't see how he's the 'game changer' any longer....those cross bolt guns are the game changers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 09:34:34 AM: I'm not upset they killed a woman of color, but they did kill the hottest girl on the show.

That said, it was a cool switch. We all kept assuming Grey Worm would be the one to die for obvious reasons. So none of us (to my knowledge) were even thinking about how he'd handle her death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on May 06, 2019, 09:37:07 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 08:56:30 AM
Was anyone else expecting a bit more celebration for Arya literally ending thousands of years of threats in one move and killing the most unbeatable army ever? Dany gave her one call out. That's it. I know she didn't want more, but no one else seemed to care much.

I thought the level of appreciation for Arya was about right and I appreciated that it was Dany who gave the shout out.

Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 08:56:30 AM
Also very curious where she and The Hound are going. I assume it's King Landing, but I'm more into that story right now than much of the others.

I'm with you on this. Some of my favorite episodes were The Hound and Arya traveling together. I'm convinced an entire show could revolve around their adventures and be completely entertaining. I'm sure that's not what we're going to get given the time constraints. They'll probably show up in King's Landing eventually and cause maximum chaos.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 09:39:25 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 09:34:34 AM
I'm not upset they killed a woman of color, but they did kill the hottest girl on the show.

That said, it was a cool switch. We all kept assuming Grey Worm would be the one to die for obvious reasons. So none of us (to my knowledge) were even thinking about how he'd handle her death.

Part of me was hoping she'd grab Cersi and just pull them both off that tower. But, there was a creepy foreshadow in a frame where they had the Mountain looming over the back of her head for a moment or two where you pretty much knew he was chopping her head off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 09:48:17 AM: Given Cersei's knack for giving people a slow death after some torture (Sand Snakes, the sept, etc.), Missandei getting a quick death almost seems merciful.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 09:50:52 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 09:48:17 AM
Given Cersei's knack for giving people a slow death after some torture (Sand Snakes, the sept, etc.), Missandei getting a quick death almost seems merciful.

I think in this case, to Cersei, Missandei is just some random person. She tends to do the slow death for people who she feels some personal anger for. I doubt she felt anything at all for Missandei and saw her as nothing more than a way to piss off Dany.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 10:01:35 AM: Just sharing to address the topic of the scorpions on Euron's fleet and how fast they fire. This gave me some perspective on the weapons and how they were able to defeat Rhaegal so efficiently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpio_(weapon)

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The bolt-firing scorpio had mainly two functions in a legion. In precision shooting, it was a weapon of marksmanship capable of cutting down any foe within a distance of 100 meters. In parabolic shooting, the range is greater, with distances up to 400 meters, and the firing rate is higher (3 to 4 shots per minute).

That's up to a quarter mile. And those look like small ones. Look how friggin big the ones in Thrones are:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/3/3f/Scorpion-the-spoils-of-war.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171109233030)

So I imagine they fire one, immediately shove another one up there, rewind it, and good to go. I can see them popping off a few a minute, multipled by however many ships they have. The torque on those things has to be insane, I'm sure it manages to negate wind/drag for at least a significant length of time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 10:03:46 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 09:48:17 AM
Given Cersei's knack for giving people a slow death after some torture (Sand Snakes, the sept, etc.), Missandei getting a quick death almost seems merciful.

I think in this case, to Cersei, Missandei is just some random person. She tends to do the slow death for people who she feels some personal anger for. I doubt she felt anything at all for Missandei and saw her as nothing more than a way to piss off Dany.

I don't think she felt anything, but Cersei is cunning, and I'm sure she knew who Missandei was, or at least her relation to Dany, because she was present at the Dragonpit in season 7. She definitely knew that would sting Dany fierce.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 10:05:25 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 06, 2019, 10:03:46 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 06, 2019, 09:48:17 AM
Given Cersei's knack for giving people a slow death after some torture (Sand Snakes, the sept, etc.), Missandei getting a quick death almost seems merciful.

I think in this case, to Cersei, Missandei is just some random person. She tends to do the slow death for people who she feels some personal anger for. I doubt she felt anything at all for Missandei and saw her as nothing more than a way to piss off Dany.

I don't think she felt anything, but Cersei is cunning, and I'm sure she knew who Missandei was, or at least her relation to Dany, because she was present at the Dragonpit in season 7. She definitely knew that would sting Dany fierce.

Totally. When I said random person, I meant she has no emotional connection to her at all. She's just a pawn. Unlike the sand snakes who killed her daughter.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 10:14:51 AM: Ohh, yeah, definitely. Cersei doesn't give a damn about her own family, she sure as hell doesn't care about Missandei :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 10:35:53 AM: Tyrion knows Varys is right....and, Dany is going to ignore everyone’s solid advice on how to beat Cersi and win the hearts of the people and she’s gonna go ‘mad king’ on everyone....eventually leading to Jon having to kill her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 06, 2019, 10:46:46 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 10:35:53 AM
Tyrion knows Varys is right....and, Dany is going to ignore everyone’s solid advice on how to beat Cersi and win the hearts of the people and she’s gonna go ‘mad king’ on everyone....eventually leading to Jon having to kill her.

If that happens... Damn... I know Game of Thrones is dark. I never expected a happy ending. But the ending of the show will basically be that no one got what they wanted and everyone is miserable. That will be a hard show to come back to, at least for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 11:03:38 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 10:35:53 AM
Tyrion knows Varys is right....and, Dany is going to ignore everyone’s solid advice on how to beat Cersi and win the hearts of the people and she’s gonna go ‘mad king’ on everyone....eventually leading to Jon having to kill her.

See, it's going that way and I don't like that. I get that it'll be a tragedy, but we've had 7 years of character development for Dany. To have it all undone in a season is just disappointing.

Thank god for Tyrion and Varys. Their characters have been some of my favorite since season 1.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 11:23:28 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
See, it's going that way and I don't like that. I get that it'll be a tragedy, but we've had 7 years of character development for Dany. To have it all undone in a season is just disappointing.

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on May 06, 2019, 10:46:46 AM
If that happens... Damn... I know Game of Thrones is dark. I never expected a happy ending. But the ending of the show will basically be that no one got what they wanted and everyone is miserable. That will be a hard show to come back to, at least for me.

I agree, I had bought into the whole 'I'm not my Father' and 'I'm going to break the wheel' mantra that Dany's been selling all these years. It looked to be promising and that she could be the 'one' to change it all. But I think with them showing her toast the Tarley men and some of the reactions and decisions she's been making they're showing us that no matter how hard she's trying to be 'different'.....she's just like the rest. There's only one person who is truly different than them all and his name is Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryn)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on May 06, 2019, 11:31:13 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 10:35:53 AM
Tyrion knows Varys is right....and, Dany is going to ignore everyone’s solid advice on how to beat Cersi and win the hearts of the people and she’s gonna go ‘mad king’ on everyone....eventually leading to Jon having to kill her.

See, it's going that way and I don't like that. I get that it'll be a tragedy, but we've had 7 years of character development for Dany. To have it all undone in a season is just disappointing.

Thank god for Tyrion and Varys. Their characters have been some of my favorite since season 1.

I don't think it's all been undone just this season. There have been scenes throughout the show where she has shown tendency's to win at all costs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Samsara on May 06, 2019, 11:35:28 AM: I agree on Dany showing signs throughout the whole show. She will explode. Although I don't think Jon will be King. At least not at King's Landing. That's too obvious.

Don't sleep on Arya. The fact she killed the Night King, the fact she said "I'm not a lady" and refused an opportunity already, and the fact she's headed to King's Landing. Wouldn't surprise me if she's a surprise "Queen" of Westeros. Long shot for sure, and not my only theory, but last night sure supported part of it.

But Dany is obviously going off the rails, and obviously Jon is going to have to kill her. Or if he doesn't, Varys will.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 06, 2019, 12:03:37 PM: (https://i.pinimg.com/564x/69/08/98/6908981675bf888e260f42c86aa8edef.jpg)

I did actually laugh out loud at this part. What is that, like 100 soldiers tops? Now, if you would have shown that to me at the beginning of the episode, I would have been like "well, she has a dragon, so that's an ace of spades", but not right after losing one dragon and almost losing two of them, to the weapons that are all over that castle wall.

On the flip side, if this scene is trying to portray that she is delusional, foolish and wants to try and win regardless of her chances, then it works pretty well.

A little bit different than the first time they were outside king's landing

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e3/f7/8c/e3f78c5293501287cc37683b5aad4f00.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 12:19:04 PM: Outlandish prediction: the parley ends with Dany flying off and immediately executing a counterattack; a divebomb from above the clouds maybe, assaulting the Red Keep directly. But Drogon is shot down, and Dany is seriously injured in the crash. Dany is then captured. When Jon arrives, Cersei will present a bloodied Daenerys. Jon refuses to surrender. Cersei allows Jon to go free of retaliation under the condition that he kill Daenerys.

That's where I got hung up, because I don't know how to explain anything that could happen after that, and I don't see Jon killing Dany in that way. But it's fun to think about.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 12:22:12 PM: I know her army is significantly smaller....but I'm wondering if she only brought (what looks to be 72 ....6x6 columns x2) intentionally to look 'weak'. She knows that Cersi knows her army has been decimated....maybe Dany is trying to under represent herself on purpose?

Also, I don't know why I can't let Dario and the Second Sons go. I still have a feeling they're going to show up. Maybe Dario and the Second Sons make up a chunk of the Golden Company being that the Second Sons are also soldiers for hire? Maybe when the time comes to battle.....Dario reveals himself and orders his men or the entire Golden company to switch sides? Or maybe we never see him again and I'm completely off base about him or them ever being seen again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 12:23:38 PM: ***double post***
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 12:51:16 PM: Let's pretend that Arya is the one who kills Cersi.....forget the 'how' she does it....just that she does.....would that bother you that she executed both 'big' kills for the series?

On one hand I'd be put off by it as I think it'd be more compelling if say Jamie or even Sansa were the one who killed Cersi. But on the other hand, she's a trained assassin and can take any face she wants and one would think should she make it inside the Kingslanding walls it would be fairly simple for someone of her expertise to get up close to Cersi and kill her with ease....so it'd make 'sense' for her to be the one.

As was mentioned by Brian and a few folks....I think the Hound is going to clear the way for the one who ultimately kills Cersi by dispatching the Mountain....leaving Cersi vulnerable and defenseless against whomever that is. I could even see a scenario where the Hound and Arya make it to Cersi through the Mountain....and maybe Jamie is there already and Cersi believes he's going to defend her but he ends up thrusting his sword through her back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 06, 2019, 12:58:10 PM: I'm for the Kingslayer to be true to his name and do it again. I guess it would be Queenslayer in this case. Either way, Jaime is my preferred killer, assuming she actually dies.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 01:09:00 PM: Quote from: ProfessorPeart on May 06, 2019, 12:58:10 PM
I'm for the Kingslayer to be true to his name and do it again. I guess it would be Queenslayer in this case. Either way, Jaime is my preferred killer, assuming she actually dies.

No kidding. At this point I'm not so sure she can be beat.....at least her armies. Those cross bolt weapons have completely neutralized Drogon....especially now that it's only (1) Dragon.

Dany should have said 'screw it' from get go.....stormed Kingslanding and taken it by force, then headed up North. I don't think she has any type of advantage now. The only thing she could do is listen to Tyrion, Varys and Jon and lay siege....but she's entirely too impatient for that at this point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 06, 2019, 01:12:13 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on May 06, 2019, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 10:35:53 AM
Tyrion knows Varys is right....and, Dany is going to ignore everyone’s solid advice on how to beat Cersi and win the hearts of the people and she’s gonna go ‘mad king’ on everyone....eventually leading to Jon having to kill her.

See, it's going that way and I don't like that. I get that it'll be a tragedy, but we've had 7 years of character development for Dany. To have it all undone in a season is just disappointing.

Thank god for Tyrion and Varys. Their characters have been some of my favorite since season 1.

I don't think it's all been undone just this season. There have been scenes throughout the show where she has shown tendency's to win at all costs.
Indeed, disagree with Adami on this one. This has been Dany's story arc for a long time and she's become particularly (a) delusional about her own status, (2) power-hungry and (3)brutal in the last couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 01:17:28 PM: I'm picking up a heavy vibe that Sansa is going to be the one ruling the 7 Kingdoms after the dust settles. Taking an inventory of her characters development it's all lining up for her. she's very tactful about what she says and does as she's lived with and been surrounded by some of the most cunning, lethal, honest and powerful people in the 7 Kingdoms. Won't be surprised if it's indeed her as Queen.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 01:56:43 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 12:22:12 PM
I know her army is significantly smaller....but I'm wondering if she only brought (what looks to be 72 ....6x6 columns x2) intentionally to look 'weak'. She knows that Cersi knows her army has been decimated....maybe Dany is trying to under represent herself on purpose?

Also, I don't know why I can't let Dario and the Second Sons go. I still have a feeling they're going to show up. Maybe Dario and the Second Sons make up a chunk of the Golden Company being that the Second Sons are also soldiers for hire? Maybe when the time comes to battle.....Dario reveals himself and orders his men or the entire Golden company to switch sides? Or maybe we never see him again and I'm completely off base about him or them ever being seen again.

To your first point, it's possible, but it also looks like they were there under parlay. But Cersei has shown to have no honor at all, so it would be within her character to say screw it and murder them all. A dumb play by Dany that just happened to work.

To your second, that would be cheesy but very cool to see actually.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 06, 2019, 02:10:24 PM: I don't think that Daenerys was supposed to be standing outside with her army "besieging" King's Landing in that scene. It was a parley, like Jon and Sansa meeting Ramsay before the Battle of the Bastards or Stannis and Renly meeting on the Stormlands coast in season 2. Or like the Dragonpit meeting in Season 7. In that case the Unsullied were positioned outside the city to threaten King's Landing, while smaller groups of guards accompanied each leader to the Dragonpit. In this case the Unsullied you can see outside the walls were Daenerys' guards for the parley.

Of course, considering we'd just had a scene that showed the same range and accuracy of the scorpions, it was really bad staging to show them there since it seemed obvious that they could have just shot at them from the walls and killed them. It would make a lot more sense if Daenerys and Drogon were clearly out of range of the walls - I don't know if it was intended that they were meant to be out of range but it did not look like that at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 02:15:16 PM: Also Gary, to your point about the 2nd sons infiltrating the golden army.........what if they just infiltrated the citizens? Like, now they're all in the city when Cersei invited them all in.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 02:27:50 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
Also Gary, to your point about the 2nd sons infiltrating the golden army.........what if they just infiltrated the citizens? Like, now they're all in the city when Cersei invited them all in.

I certainly expect arya to just easily slip in with the rest of the folk
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 02:29:31 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 02:27:50 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
Also Gary, to your point about the 2nd sons infiltrating the golden army.........what if they just infiltrated the citizens? Like, now they're all in the city when Cersei invited them all in.

I certainly expect arya to just easily slip in with the rest of the folk

I'd imagine that would be harder now since they closed the gates, but Arya is batman, so who knows?

And since Bronn can apparently just go wherever without anyone noticing, I say Bronn kills Cersei.

The actor hates the actress anyway. They can even recreate the Olly moment. Cersei is about to kill Jamie but decides not to, Jamie realizes she can be saved, Bronn shoots her from a distance and gives the nod.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 02:35:26 PM: I've found the two things that will ruin the end of this show for me in a big way (and I've already accepted the closure on the Night King so that doesn't count): Arya getting another big kill (on either Euron, Cersei, or The Mountain), and not getting any closure on Bran. He's still the Three Eyed Raven, but what is his purpose for the rest of his life? If either of those two things happen it'll really put a damper on things. I can overlook just about everything else, the rushed traveling, Euron's pinpoint accuracy with the Scorpions, all of it. But not those two.

I don't think Bronn kills Cersei, as satisfying as it is, because the contracts state they can't have scenes together. That's the only reason I don't think it'll happen even though it would be wonderful to watch.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 06, 2019, 03:04:24 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 06, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
I've found the two things that will ruin the end of this show for me in a big way (and I've already accepted the closure on the Night King so that doesn't count): Arya getting another big kill (on either Euron, Cersei, or The Mountain), and not getting any closure on Bran. He's still the Three Eyed Raven, but what is his purpose for the rest of his life? If either of those two things happen it'll really put a damper on things. I can overlook just about everything else, the rushed traveling, Euron's pinpoint accuracy with the Scorpions, all of it. But not those two.

I don't think Bronn kills Cersei, as satisfying as it is, because the contracts state they can't have scenes together. That's the only reason I don't think it'll happen even though it would be wonderful to watch.

That'd be easy enough to film separately. They just never need to show them on screen at the same time, and even then it'd still be possible. Have one come in and film all their dialog with a stunt actor or actress, and then have the other do the same. Put them together in post production.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 03:06:23 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 06, 2019, 03:04:24 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 06, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
I've found the two things that will ruin the end of this show for me in a big way (and I've already accepted the closure on the Night King so that doesn't count): Arya getting another big kill (on either Euron, Cersei, or The Mountain), and not getting any closure on Bran. He's still the Three Eyed Raven, but what is his purpose for the rest of his life? If either of those two things happen it'll really put a damper on things. I can overlook just about everything else, the rushed traveling, Euron's pinpoint accuracy with the Scorpions, all of it. But not those two.

I don't think Bronn kills Cersei, as satisfying as it is, because the contracts state they can't have scenes together. That's the only reason I don't think it'll happen even though it would be wonderful to watch.

That'd be easy enough to film separately. They just never need to show them on screen at the same time, and even then it'd still be possible. Have one come in and film all their dialog with a stunt actor or actress, and then have the other do the same. Put them together in post production.

Hmm that's interesting. I suppose they could do that, yeah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 06, 2019, 03:27:36 PM: Saw the episode... I liked it! Saw on the web some random negative memes flowing around and I braced myself for the worst, but I enjoyed it!

Me enjoying the episode does not mean I didn't agree with many, many choices of the characters. But still, they looked in line with their history and their actions, while the previous battle was full of cliches and the surprise shocking ending for the sake of having a shocking ending (couldn't Jon, for example, at least kill the dragon? no, every hero had to be one second away from death just like Aragorn was being trumpled by an ogre the second before the Ring fell into the lava, enough of the last second save come on).

I don't want or like Dany to snap, but storywise, it makes sense. I've seen previous comments that it destroys her "breaking the wheel" arc.... but already back in the last season she showed signs of snapping. I waved it away as her not getting laid 'cause her toyboy remained in Mereen, but it's not unexpected or a betrayal of her character that she snaps. She's gonna go in full Fire and Blood mode now.

I didn't like that Jon told everyone he is a Targaryen, but then again, the guy is made in his ~~father~~ uncle image, I buy him revealing the truth to his sisters.

Maybe the afterparty in Winterfell was a bit of fan service... but come on, it was earned after so much tension and carnage. Sansa putting a Stark pin on Theon.... the feels. Jon declaring the dead "the shield that guard the realm of men"... the feels. Dany toasting to Arya, "the hero of Winterfell"... the hero of the entire Westeros!!! I know there are more pressing issues at hand but where's her lifesize statue built in her honor?

Podrick will have other chances to spread his legends, poor Tormund and LORD Gendry being friendzoned however :D and Arya not planning to return home... YOU BETTER GO BACK AND MARRY GENDRY LADY!

The parley scene was awesome and full of tension. Love Tyrion bypassing Qyburn and going directly to talk to Cersei. Too bad that Qyburn made sense - he had a real and actual point about the playing field being very, very leveled by now.

And the dragon... damn, until someone pointed out that it was hard to have a sneak attack of it, I liked the scene :D not like-like, I hated it, but THAT's what should have happened in the previous episode, that's the brutality of war. A dragon is a big moving target, aim, fire, boom, dragon killed, that's what happens and that's more belieavable that many name characters being trampled by wights and not dying.

Also didn't expect Bronn being such an asshole... but in the end, he's a sellsword, I believed too he would have been way nicer, but that was not the case. He's gonna be the wild card and I still call Chekov on the crossbow, someone will probably use it on Cersei.

Now the future looks bleak... Dany is so gonna Fire-and-Blood'ing her way around. Jaime and Arya will be the wild cards, Jon will have to face up Dany's inability to wait when the goal is in her sights, and there's definitively gonna be a Cleaganbowl.

And congrats on Tormund on adopting the CGI dog that no one wants to have anymore in the show so rather than kill it, they send him away :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 03:55:48 PM: I didn't notice, but apparently near Dany at the beginning was a Starbucks coffee.

Who wants to start the theories?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 06, 2019, 04:01:18 PM: I was entertained enough, but think this season has been a massive decline in quality. And I say that as someone who did not mind the noticeable shift from book adaption to typical Hollywood writing a few seasons back. This and the last episode where a fun watch but best not really think about it.

Anecdotal, but people around me are hating it way more than I do. If this is the quality we can expect from the three (?!) spinoffs they are producing, I wonder how much goodwill of the fans this series will be able to maintain. Because there they won't have the fantastic base of character development that was told through the books to lean on.

Edit: Also, Jon has to be the worst "dog" owner in television history :lol What the fuck was that for a sorry ass goodbye.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 04:24:26 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
Also Gary, to your point about the 2nd sons infiltrating the golden army.........what if they just infiltrated the citizens? Like, now they're all in the city when Cersei invited them all in.

Yeah....he could do that as well. Something tells me he’d have heard about everything that’s been going on prior to the recent events and made his way to help her. He loves her. I think he’d have heard about Cersi hiring the Golden Company which is why I can’t seem to let the idea go of him/them showing up at some point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 06, 2019, 04:36:39 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 03:55:48 PM
I didn't notice, but apparently near Dany at the beginning was a Starbucks coffee.

Who wants to start the theories?

:lol my gf sent this to me earlier https://www.unilad.co.uk/film-and-tv/behind-the-scenes-pic-shows-whose-starbucks-cup-was-left-on-game-of-thrones-set (https://www.unilad.co.uk/film-and-tv/behind-the-scenes-pic-shows-whose-starbucks-cup-was-left-on-game-of-thrones-set)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 04:43:26 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 06, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
Also Gary, to your point about the 2nd sons infiltrating the golden army.........what if they just infiltrated the citizens? Like, now they're all in the city when Cersei invited them all in.

Yeah....he could do that as well. Something tells me he’d have heard about everything that’s been going on prior to the recent events and made his way to help her. He loves her. I think he’d have heard about Cersi hiring the Golden Company which is why I can’t seem to let the idea go of him/them showing up at some point.

Totally. I guess I'm thinking logistically. Would be WAY easier to inflitrate a bunch of citizens than an army. How does one even get thousands of people to inflitrate an army? Do they sign up? Do they kill and replace thousands of other soldiers? Etc. Too many complications.

I think they should throw every off and bring back the original actor for Daario.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 08:44:37 PM: Just rewatched the Rhaegal death scene. He did get smoked but the bolt in his chest it looked like he could have recovered from, next one knicked his wing.....the neck shot was bad BUT.....I’m wondering if there’s a way he survived? Went down in the waters of Dragonstone.....maybe there’s some mystic or magical element to that area?

And....he’s a huge dragon that can take a beating. Our characters like Arya, the Hound.....Jon....they’ve been pummeled to the brink of death and lived. Maybe Rhagal survives and makes a heroic return?

Cersi was guaranteed by Euron he was dead.....it’d be something to see him show up again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 06, 2019, 09:55:22 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 08:44:37 PM
Just rewatched the Rhaegal death scene. He did get smoked but the bolt in his chest it looked like he could have recovered from, next one knicked his wing.....the neck shot was bad BUT.....I’m wondering if there’s a way he survived? Went down in the waters of Dragonstone.....maybe there’s some mystic or magical element to that area?

And....he’s a huge dragon that can take a beating. Our characters like Arya, the Hound.....Jon....they’ve been pummeled to the brink of death and lived. Maybe Rhagal survives and makes a heroic return?

Cersi was guaranteed by Euron he was dead.....it’d be something to see him show up again.

The behind the scenes videos showed how the arrows now open up into a massive 4-pronged point and they also rotate as they fly, so it's doing major damage compared to just being shot with a big bolt. Not only were the scorpions upgraded, but the arrows were too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 10:07:13 PM: Quote from: Grappler on May 06, 2019, 09:55:22 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 06, 2019, 08:44:37 PM
Just rewatched the Rhaegal death scene. He did get smoked but the bolt in his chest it looked like he could have recovered from, next one knicked his wing.....the neck shot was bad BUT.....I’m wondering if there’s a way he survived? Went down in the waters of Dragonstone.....maybe there’s some mystic or magical element to that area?

And....he’s a huge dragon that can take a beating. Our characters like Arya, the Hound.....Jon....they’ve been pummeled to the brink of death and lived. Maybe Rhagal survives and makes a heroic return?

Cersi was guaranteed by Euron he was dead.....it’d be something to see him show up again.

The behind the scenes videos showed how the arrows now open up into a massive 4-pronged point and they also rotate as they fly, so it's doing major damage compared to just being shot with a big bolt. Not only were the scorpions upgraded, but the arrows were too.

There are real arrow heads that do that in turkey hunting. It’s like a helicopter and they’re designed so you can take the head clear off the turkey in an instant.

I’m more or less wishful thinking at this point......just bummed to see another dragon go down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 07, 2019, 04:24:43 AM: There HAS to be a Clegane-Bowl between the Hound and the Mountain. Either the Mountain wins, then Arya deals him a killing blow, or it's a Mountain v Arya fight, and Sandor steps in to kill him at the last minute.

Jaime has to kill Cersei, but I'd prefer it if she were left blind and tongue-less on the streets of King's Landing - Ideally hobbled too to stop her running away (cutting off the front part of the foot leaving only the heel) - then taken in to Littlefinger's old brothel.

Dany is becoming a bad ruler, and her demise is all but signposted. I can't see Jon as King either - I think he'll break the Iron Throne and make each of the 7 Kingdoms independent, Gendry as King of the Stormlands, Sansa Queen of the North, Tyrion King of the Westlands, etc.

Been pretty disappointed with the direction this is going - it all seems too linear, too easy, and there's precious little attention paid to the logistics of mobilising these huge armies.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zantera on May 07, 2019, 04:45:32 AM: Last nights episode was a bit mixed for me, though i enjoyed it more than the battle episode mostly because it was pitch black for almost the entire run time. That scene when the dragon died was so stupid though.. only Dany would manage to get ambushed out on the sea while flying and having an overhead view of everything.. ::)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 04:58:22 AM: General question: is there, in movie industry, the equivalent of a producer?

I mean, when a band records an album a producer is there to suggest stuff, like "Well, maybe there's no need to have this straight ahead rocking song having a long instrumental break in the middle, how about you split that part away and make it into a full song?" (just to make an example we all know).

Is there such an equivalent in movie industry? someone that is not an author or a writer, but that can review a script and say stuff like "hey guys, how come this character is doing this while two pages ago he said the exact opposite?"

I didn't think too much of the dragon being killed, I was fine with that, but the authors shot themselves in the feet by going on camera after the episode and stating that "Dany forgot about the Iron fleet". D'uh. Nobody in the writing room has the role of an impartial voice that can suggests stuff? "We want Arya to kill the Night King" "Ok, cool, but I see she's basically jumping out of nowhere, would it be a problem for your story if you have her hiding in the tree?"... that kind of advices, like a musical producer says "How about you play that solo with a slower pace or make the chorus just a bit different?"

This does not apply only to Game of Thrones of course, it could be a useful role for any show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 07:23:24 AM: I think the Starbucks cup is just proof the show runners are overlooking things this season. Maybe they put too much effort into filming the battles, everyone pretty much commented that The Long Night was one of the longest and hardest things they ever had to film.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on May 07, 2019, 07:38:17 AM: How many people noticed the starbucks cup on the initial viewing? If it wasn't blasted all over the internet I'd assume that 99% of the viewers would not have seen it. I'd bet dollars to donuts that the editors saw that and decided it wasn't worth the cost to edit out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 07:45:50 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on May 07, 2019, 07:38:17 AM
How many people noticed the starbucks cup on the initial viewing? If it wasn't blasted all over the internet I'd assume that 99% of the viewers would not have seen it. I'd bet dollars to donuts that the editors saw that and decided it wasn't worth the cost to edit out.

I didn’t. It’s not glaringly obvious and I’d bet $1000 that the person/people who brought it up on the internet were there on set that day and noticed it. ‘Normal’ viewers don’t notice that stuff unless it’s just over the top obvious. That wasn’t.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 07:45:59 AM: I did not see the Starbucks cup on my first or even second viewing, and I even missed it on my third because right when Dany is noticing all the adoration given to Jon - right after Tormund says, "What kind of man rides a fucking dragon? A madman... or a KING!" - the screen gets this red filter going for one or two seconds. Anyone else catch that? It's happened all 3 times and I'm not quite understanding why it's there but it goes so well with Dany's mood in that moment.

Also I definitely can't defend that fleet ambush scene after the showrunners said she just "forgot about the Iron Fleet." Ugh. Seriously... it's like they just want to wrap it up as fast as possible... I swear Arya better not get to kill Cersei or any of the big names, just kill some guards please :facepalm:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 07:46:20 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on May 07, 2019, 07:38:17 AM
How many people noticed the starbucks cup on the initial viewing? If it wasn't blasted all over the internet I'd assume that 99% of the viewers would not have seen it. I'd bet dollars to donuts that the editors saw that and decided it wasn't worth the cost to edit out.

I saw a photo of it before watching the episode and still I couldn't notice it. On the web you find examples of these mistakes in various films, and it takes ninja attention to notice them, and even when you know they're there, they're hard to detect. Makes you wonder if some persons watch with an over analyzing mind all movies and TV shows just to be the clever ones that spot a mistake.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 07:51:54 AM: I don't think it matters if I saw it or not, it was there and SOMEONE should have noticed and said something. Just like many of the plot holes this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 07, 2019, 08:08:31 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 04:58:22 AM
General question: is there, in movie industry, the equivalent of a producer?
This does not apply only to Game of Thrones of course, it could be a useful role for any show.

They used to be called a Script Editor. Back when each episode was written by a different writer, they had the responsibility of sanity checking the scripts and bringing them into the "house style" as it were. As TV shows have moved towards the idea of a show-runner writing all episodes, the script editor seems to be a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 07, 2019, 08:16:04 AM: Yeah I didn't notice it and don't think it's even a medium-sized deal let along a big deal. It is pretty funny, but nothing at all serious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 08:28:34 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 07:51:54 AM
I don't think it matters if I saw it or not, it was there and SOMEONE should have noticed and said something. Just like many of the plot holes this season.

Someone did notice it. But they didn’t say anything....let it happen....then took to the internet to ‘catch’ the mistake.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2019, 08:32:11 AM: I re-watched it last night and the Starbucks thing is definitely in the background where there is no way most would have noticed it unless it was pointed out to them. And it was like a 2-second shot. Not a big deal, really, as stuff like that gets missed all the time in TV and film.

I thought Bronn had the funniest line of the episode when he told Tyrion, "only death will shut you up." :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 08:34:00 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 07, 2019, 08:32:11 AM
I thought Bronn had the funniest line of the episode when he told Tyrion, "only death will shut you up." :lol :lol :lol :lol

My favorite was, "You broke my nose!" "I did not break your nose." "How do you know?" "'cause I've been breaking noses since I was your size and I know what it sounds like!" :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 08:34:40 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 07:51:54 AM
I don't think it matters if I saw it or not, it was there and SOMEONE should have noticed and said something. Just like many of the plot holes this season.

Someone did notice it. But they didn’t say anything....let it happen....then took to the internet to ‘catch’ the mistake.

so? That's not really my point. It's the idea the people making this show have a lot of blunders this season. While this is really not a big deal, I think it's more funny than a big deal. It just another one that is more literal.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 08:43:59 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/9nfzxPC.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 08:47:40 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 08:34:40 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 07:51:54 AM
I don't think it matters if I saw it or not, it was there and SOMEONE should have noticed and said something. Just like many of the plot holes this season.

Someone did notice it. But they didn’t say anything....let it happen....then took to the internet to ‘catch’ the mistake.

so? That's not really my point. It's the idea the people making this show have a lot of blunders this season. While this is really not a big deal, I think it's more funny than a big deal. It just another one that is more literal.

I see your point, completely. I don't know that there have been a lot of blunders.....but this one was. I guess in my eyes....kind of like we talked about yesterday with the 'negativity' that has surrounded this season unlike any other season.....this looks to be a case of 'build me up, break me down'.

This season/show was in a no win situation for this final season because no matter what it does/did it wasn't/will not be good enough to make everyone happy. There will be the majority of the fans (like me) that will take satisfaction from the season and finale for what it is and be fine with it. But there will be a contingent of 'fans' that are going to lambast this show at every turn....every choice....every outcome....and the finale of it just because that'll get them more views/likes/notoriety rather than they just said 'thanks HBO' for a fun 10 years.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 08:51:44 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 08:34:00 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 07, 2019, 08:32:11 AM
I thought Bronn had the funniest line of the episode when he told Tyrion, "only death will shut you up." :lol :lol :lol :lol

My favorite was, "You broke my nose!" "I did not break your nose." "How do you know?" "'cause I've been breaking noses since I was your size and I know what it sounds like!" :rollin

It's more disturbing that Qyburn knows what's the sound of children burning alive :omg:

The celebration at Winterfell was full of great lines, and I'm surprised to have not seen yet retwitted and reposted worldwide a meme of "Vomiting is not celebrating - yes it is".

Speaking of memes, do you know the historical scene from the Simpsons where "look, you can see the exact moment his heart breaks" referring to poor Ralph? that could be applied to Gendry, Tormund and Brienne, but also to Dany with a variation: "Look, you can see the exact moment in which she snaps and goes in full Fire and Blood mode".

But the way Missandei went out was badass. "Any last words?"

"Dracarys".

Code for "Kill them, Dany. Burn every single one of these motherfuckers to the ground."
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2019, 08:52:55 AM: I don't know about you guys, but after that coffee cup I can't watch GoT anymore. I have lost all respect for it. I actually plan on taking out a sizable loan, buying several hundred sets of GoT blu rays and burning them all.

It's the only rational response.
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Post by: Podaar on May 07, 2019, 08:56:02 AM: :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 08:58:54 AM: I have to admit I'm very disappointed in the showrunners for willfully truncating this show. HBO wanted 10+ seasons from what I've read, and that would've given enough time to develop these things and allow for cleaner storytelling. Knowing that it's their decision to cut it down, and their explanation for Dany not seeing Euron's fleet... it's really disheartening
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 07, 2019, 09:01:42 AM: Yeah, great movies / shows with a lot of attention to detail have errors like that in them as well, one small mistake slipping by I don't really see it as indicative of the quality or "effort" put into the overall filming. One of the earliest things I remember from the internet in the early 2000s was a site movie mistakes where I read loads of errors (some as glaring as this) about a lot of big budget films, including some of my all time favourites.

So "the coffee cup really shows how bad it is" (or any argument along those lines) doesn't really work for me - if people find something good they can let an error like the coffee cup slide, if people are finding it bad then they feel like "of course they'd make a mistake like that". So it's more about how the rest of the show makes people feel, rather than a small filming error. Which is the more important point (that people feel like there are holes or laziness in the show's story), but it just means that focusing on the cup to make the point doesn't really work as an argument.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 09:08:22 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 08:34:40 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 07:51:54 AM
I don't think it matters if I saw it or not, it was there and SOMEONE should have noticed and said something. Just like many of the plot holes this season.

Someone did notice it. But they didn’t say anything....let it happen....then took to the internet to ‘catch’ the mistake.

so? That's not really my point. It's the idea the people making this show have a lot of blunders this season. While this is really not a big deal, I think it's more funny than a big deal. It just another one that is more literal.

I see your point, completely. I don't know that there have been a lot of blunders.....but this one was. I guess in my eyes....kind of like we talked about yesterday with the 'negativity' that has surrounded this season unlike any other season.....this looks to be a case of 'build me up, break me down'.

The show really didn't have any blunders until this season though. At first I thought it was just me, then I thought it was us (the people upset with this season, as a whole) just being too critical, and now I'm starting to actually think the show really just dropped the ball in places where they used to excel and it's not us being too critical because you can't even argue with a coffee cup in the show. As miniscule and un important as it is, it literally just shows what we've been feeling all along. It's kind of poetic really.

Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 08:58:54 AM
I have to admit I'm very disappointed in the showrunners for willfully truncating this show. HBO wanted 10+ seasons from what I've read, and that would've given enough time to develop these things and allow for cleaner storytelling. Knowing that it's their decision to cut it down, and their explanation for Dany not seeing Euron's fleet... it's really disheartening

I don't know how they could do 10+ seasons and keep all the actors/actresses though. I feel like maybe last season and this being 10 full episodes might have done the trick without adding too much new storylines.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 09:11:29 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 08:58:54 AM
I have to admit I'm very disappointed in the showrunners for willfully truncating this show. HBO wanted 10+ seasons from what I've read, and that would've given enough time to develop these things and allow for cleaner storytelling. Knowing that it's their decision to cut it down, and their explanation for Dany not seeing Euron's fleet... it's really disheartening

From what I've read and gathered it sounds like all involved....show runners and actors.....were ready to 'be done' with the show and move on. And, that's kind of sad because it has affected how they've chosen to close the show out. On one hand I get it....on the other hand, if you're signed to a contract that's your job. If you were an actor signed on for 8 seasons @ (10) episodes then that is that. Same with the Show Runners. If you're wanting to do other things then quit and let someone else come in or if you're too proud to turn it over to other folks then man up and see it through to the end.

I agree that shortening these last two seasons for the sake of getting this done faster has been a bummer and has led to some odd choices and decisions and oversights for our characters they seem like they wouldn't have made....ala....how does Dany 'forget' about the Iron Fleet?
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 09:12:49 AM: I think if 7 and 8 had been a full 10 episodes, then maaaybe a shortened season 9 would've worked...

As for the show not having blunders: it definitely had them. The entire Dorne plotline is just thrown away in the end and never amounted to much.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 09:14:13 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 09:08:22 AM
I don't know how they could do 10+ seasons and keep all the actors/actresses though. I feel like maybe last season and this being 10 full episodes might have done the trick without adding too much new storylines.

Or, power it out and made S7 something like 14 or 16 episodes. You film for the year...year and a half....whatever.....then they are done and on to other things and 'you' (HBO) get the next year or so in post production...then release and that is that.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 09:17:16 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 09:12:49 AM
The entire Dorne plotline is just thrown away in the end and never amounted to much.

What do you mean?! The new (unnamed and not shown) prince of Dorne has said he supports Dany in the last episode :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 09:21:30 AM: FYI apparently HBO digitally edited out the coffee cup so that is no longer an issue of any kind
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 09:30:35 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 09:21:30 AM
FYI apparently HBO digitally edited out the coffee cup so that is no longer an issue of any kind

I hope at the very least Dany didn't order it.

Dany: "A Westeroccino, please."
Waitress: "Sure! What's your name?
Dany: "Queen Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lady of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm, Lady of Dragonstone, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons."
Waitress: "...........I hate this job"
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Post by: ariich on May 07, 2019, 09:33:29 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 09:11:29 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 08:58:54 AM
I have to admit I'm very disappointed in the showrunners for willfully truncating this show. HBO wanted 10+ seasons from what I've read, and that would've given enough time to develop these things and allow for cleaner storytelling. Knowing that it's their decision to cut it down, and their explanation for Dany not seeing Euron's fleet... it's really disheartening

From what I've read and gathered it sounds like all involved....show runners and actors.....were ready to 'be done' with the show and move on. And, that's kind of sad because it has affected how they've chosen to close the show out. On one hand I get it....on the other hand, if you're signed to a contract that's your job. If you were an actor signed on for 8 seasons @ (10) episodes then that is that. Same with the Show Runners. If you're wanting to do other things then quit and let someone else come in or if you're too proud to turn it over to other folks then man up and see it through to the end.

I agree that shortening these last two seasons for the sake of getting this done faster has been a bummer and has led to some odd choices and decisions and oversights for our characters they seem like they wouldn't have made....ala....how does Dany 'forget' about the Iron Fleet?
I'm not sure we should entirely conflate two different things. I never had an issue with them shortnening the season and picking up the pace. There's nothing inherently wrong with that and in principle it was a sensible idea rather than dragging it out (although it was quite jarring happening immediately after the particularly slow-moving season 5). It's ultimately speculation to say that this was the driver behind questionable choices. Lazy writing can happen regardless of how many seasons/episodes are left.

To be honest, a lot of the issues that get talked about don't really bother me, in that I do think the writing isn't as nauanced and intricate as seasons 1-4 but it's still been a damn enjoyable show. For example, the time jumps and fast travel abilities are arguably driven by the increased pace but I'm comfortable enough with them, and even Dany getting shot down in the latest episode, while pretty silly, doesn't really bother me. I'm more concerned by the big picture stuff regarding the overall story arcs and key themes of the show, like I was saying the other day after episode 3. So while there things in episode 4 that I didn't like very much, none of them were major and overall I enjoyed it a lot.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 07, 2019, 09:35:11 AM: Its was Sansa

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/coffee-cup-got.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)

She was trying to sabotage dany :lol
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Post by: ariich on May 07, 2019, 09:35:46 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 08:51:44 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 08:34:00 AM
My favorite was, "You broke my nose!" "I did not break your nose." "How do you know?" "'cause I've been breaking noses since I was your size and I know what it sounds like!" :rollin
It's more disturbing that Qyburn knows what's the sound of children burning alive :omg:
That line from Bronn was my favourite too, but the Qyburn line was also fantastic - genuinely chilling.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 09:38:42 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 07, 2019, 09:35:11 AM
Its was Sansa

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/coffee-cup-got.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)

She was trying to sabotage dany :lol

THE QUEEN IN DA NORF
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 07, 2019, 09:44:25 AM: Yeah the push to have only one season and then to have two shortened seasons after season 6 always seemed like a mistake, I suppose they could have proved me wrong with Season 7 and 8 but that's not the case, since even the stuff that did work seems like it would have benefitted from being placed in a season that allowed better pacing and more breathing room between the big events.

It wasn't a case of the studio pushing it to end quickly - HBO was willing to have more seasons full seasons. I think HBO would have renewed them for more seasons as long as they kept getting viewers (though if they went with longer seasons I imagine they'd have to make essentially the same budget work for more episodes, so if there are problems with sets / CGI then they might have ended up even more thinly stretched), but keeping all the cast longer would be difficult. There are other shows that run for 10+ years with the same cast but most of them tend to be things with a quite simple setup - filming something like Game of Thrones is a lot more onerous on actors (location, action, elaborate costume / make-up) so maybe not something that they'd want to keep up as a sort of stable gig for years and years.

I do think it's unfortuante though - George RR Martin's ideas of running for 12 or 13 seasons adapting his constantly expanding story and world is a pipe dream, and keeping everyone involved on for as long as 10 seasons might be unfeasible (and it's questionable if it'd be worth it if it was just spinning its wheels), but I don't think there's much of a case for the show not being able to benefit from just having 8 full length seasons (with maybe some longer episodes towards the end in addition).
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 09:55:45 AM: The problem for me is that they calculated the story and miscalculated the necessary plot developments and world building.

What's left after season 6 could be indeed just 13 episodes of story - Dany reaches Westeros, she loses some battle, she gets convinced to get a truce with Cersei for the wight show and tell, they decide to face the White Walkers who invade Westeros and get defeated, and then it's the final showdown Jon / Dany vs. Cersei.

But the necessary character developments to make all those plot points happened left a lot to be desired, and felt rushed. Some more episodes and some more dialogue, plotting, planning and discussing would have done wonders to justify better the actions of the characters, or to present more clearly some pivotal moments, rather than having just the shocks for "OMG LOOK WHAT HAPPENED" reactions, nevermind that Arya flies in the air or that Euron has invisible ships.

For example - I get Dany going crazy, I don't like it and don't want it but I accept it and maybe that was George Martin's plan all along, but even if the writing was subtly on the wall, having it all happed in one episode is way too fast. Yeah, she showed signs of snapping but in one episode she feels isolated at Winterfell AND loses the dragon in a way that makes no sense AND loses her friend, advisor and confidant. This could have happened over the course of 2-3 episodes.
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Post by: ariich on May 07, 2019, 09:57:06 AM: Ok so the coffee cup doesn't bother me in the slightest, I just think it's an amusing gaffe.

But this seems like a bigger and weirder blunder - they've literally moved King's Landing so that it's now landlocked: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a27390765/game-of-thrones-season-8-fans-confused-change-kings-landing/
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Post by: ariich on May 07, 2019, 09:59:48 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 09:55:45 AM
The problem for me is that they calculated the story and miscalculated the necessary plot developments and world building.

What's left after season 6 could be indeed just 13 episodes of story - Dany reaches Westeros, she loses some battle, she gets convinced to get a truce with Cersei for the wight show and tell, they decide to face the White Walkers who invade Westeros and get defeated, and then it's the final showdown Jon / Dany vs. Cersei.

But the necessary character developments to make all those plot points happened left a lot to be desired, and felt rushed. Some more episodes and some more dialogue, plotting, planning and discussing would have done wonders to justify better the actions of the characters, or to present more clearly some pivotal moments, rather than having just the shocks for "OMG LOOK WHAT HAPPENED" reactions, nevermind that Arya flies in the air or that Euron has invisible ships.

For example - I get Dany going crazy, I don't like it and don't want it but I accept it and maybe that was George Martin's plan all along, but even if the writing was subtly on the wall, having it all happed in one episode is way too fast. Yeah, she showed signs of snapping but in one episode she feels isolated at Winterfell AND loses the dragon in a way that makes no sense AND loses her friend, advisor and confidant. This could have happened over the course of 2-3 episodes.
Sure but that's not about the number of episodes, it's about what they chose to do with them. That all got crammed into a 1.5 hour episode because the previous 1.5 hour episode was entirely spent on a single one-night battle.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 07, 2019, 10:03:24 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 09:55:45 AM
For example - I get Dany going crazy, I don't like it and don't want it but I accept it and maybe that was George Martin's plan all along, but even if the writing was subtly on the wall, having it all happed in one episode is way too fast. Yeah, she showed signs of snapping but in one episode she feels isolated at Winterfell AND loses the dragon in a way that makes no sense AND loses her friend, advisor and confidant. This could have happened over the course of 2-3 episodes.

I also feel like Danny's turn was abrupt. Don't get me wrong - I always knew she had a few screws loose. But I still felt like she was 51% or more good. I really hope she doesn't go completely off the rails, and then Jon has to kill her. I'm hoping that he brings her back down to Earth in the end.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 10:39:22 AM: I think Dany's intentions are good, but she's lost so much so quickly, she's down another dragon, she lost one of her top advisers and close friends, she's so close to what she's worked so hard to get, I don't blame her for finally snapping and letting all the pent up rage at Cersei really boil over. The question to us as viewers is do the ends justify the means? Is it really worth plowing through Cersei's bluff and killing so many innocents in the name of perceived destiny? For me, no, it's not, and I hope she doesn't kill innocent civilians, but I think she will. She is a Targaryen and far too headstrong and up her own ass to choose a different plan. Her ignorance and arrogance already cost her two dragons.
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Post by: ariich on May 07, 2019, 10:49:04 AM: I think Dany's story arc has been one of the things the show has done consistently well. Her journey from good intentions in the early seasons to prioritising power above all else has been pretty clear and I find it surprising that lots of people don't seem to be aware of it or think it's been sudden.

I'll actually be disappointed if she doesn't go off the rails because the show has been setting this up over years. I'm not saying I have specific expectations about whether she goes full villain or not, whether Jon has to kill her, whether she can ultimately be talked back down etc. But if she doesn't snap at all, it feels like another major story arc that ends up not really going anywhere.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 10:51:17 AM: I agree. I still think it would be awesome if she attacks King's Landing in a blind rage, Drogon goes down, and she ends up captured by Cersei, but I would like something more surprising, too.
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Post by: Chino on May 07, 2019, 10:53:06 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 10:51:17 AM
I agree. I still think it would be awesome if she attacks King's Landing in a blind rage, Drogon goes down, and she ends up captured by Cersei, but I would like something more surprising, too.

Throw her in that dungeon with Ellaria and Tyene!
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2019, 10:59:46 AM: It's not that we don't think Dany's arc doesn't make sense. It just went from being well paced and nuanced to very fast and very blunt. I, and others it seems, are just a bit thrown by the change to it in that way. Plus the whole point is that she was learning to NOT be the mad king. So just to have her throw it all away and be the mad queen anyway, just feels like a bit of a disappointment, you know? The show asked us to invest years in her, and then be like "Nahhh she just cray, enjoy the fire and explosions!" just feels a bit cheap.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 11:13:26 AM: I think that's the point of her arc though, isn't that kinda poetic? I can see how it's rushed to some, but the tale of an apparently destined heroine failing to achieve that goal and unknowingly becoming what she fought against seems rather tragic and compelling, to me at least.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 11:26:25 AM: I don't have issues with Dany's arc. It makes sense to me. I hate seeing her go Mad King for my own personal reasons, but it's within her character to do so IMO. Maybe planting all those seeds in one episode is a lot, but it's been there for awhile with lots of hints. She's got no one left that she trusts and the one she did, Jon, told their secret so I'd imagine that trust is gone too. At this point, I'd be more surprised if she doesn't go all mad king. But all of that is GOOD storytelling IMO. There's plenty of foundation to lead to this.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 11:57:33 AM: There's also the problem with how people would react, both her friends and the rest of the realm.

Let's say she snaps and burns down the Red Keep - Cersei and her buddies are dead, long live the new queen! pity for some scores of civilians roasted alive, shit happens. Now her intentions are to rule justly, it's not that because she burned Cersei down she wants to burn the rest of Westeros or make everyone starve with taxes and the likes.

But maybe some random house really is annoyed at how she burned down the capital, so they fear she's another mad Targaryen and they rebel. She burns them down, they asked for it, now can we move on to her being a rightful and decent monarch pretty please? but the allies of the destroyed house rebel as well and she has to kill them as well, now if people would just leave me alone and I can show them I am right and fair....

I mean, it's a tricky spiral she's going down to, in her mind it could all be about "Ok, I burn the bitch down and then my peaceful reign begins", but the next "just this one last time" enemy to burn down could potentially be always around the corner.
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Post by: v_clortho on May 07, 2019, 12:16:09 PM: Prediction: Jaime kills Cersei by pushing her out a window or some other high place. I have a feeling he will fall with her as well. The hound and the Mountain will fight. The Hound will win but be severely hurt. Arya will put him out of his misery at his request.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 12:32:02 PM: So texting with Kev and now seeing it online.....there's a theory that Sansa basically gave Cersi a heads up that Dany was heading back to Dragonstone....tipping her off so Euron could get the drop on her. Being that there were no northern armies with Dany it'd be a good way to take her out. And, that Sansa is the one who has sent Arya to Kingslanding to kill Cersi.....since we didn't get a real 'goodbye' scene between the two.

Could be plausible.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 12:44:49 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
So texting with Kev and now seeing it online.....there's a theory that Sansa basically gave Cersi a heads up that Dany was heading back to Dragonstone....tipping her off so Euron could get the drop on her. Being that there were no northern armies with Dany it'd be a good way to take her out. And, that Sansa is the one who has sent Arya to Kingslanding to kill Cersi.....since we didn't get a real 'goodbye' scene between the two.

Could be plausible.

Could be, but let's also remember that we're dealing with authors that gave us "Arya essentially jumps out of nowhere" and "Dany kinda forgot the Iron Fleet" (actual quotes). Sansa doing a secret power play to off both the bitch queens (as she surely sees them) could indeed be awesome, but feels too clever and has not been hinted in the least, so the reveal would be out of nowhere.
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Post by: Chino on May 07, 2019, 12:48:02 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
So texting with Kev and now seeing it online.....there's a theory that Sansa basically gave Cersi a heads up that Dany was heading back to Dragonstone....tipping her off so Euron could get the drop on her. Being that there were no northern armies with Dany it'd be a good way to take her out. And, that Sansa is the one who has sent Arya to Kingslanding to kill Cersi.....since we didn't get a real 'goodbye' scene between the two.

Could be plausible.

Could be, but let's also remember that we're dealing with authors that gave us "Arya essentially jumps out of nowhere" and "Dany kinda forgot the Iron Fleet" (actual quotes). Sansa doing a secret power play to off both the bitch queens (as she surely sees them) could indeed be awesome, but feels too clever and has not been hinted in the least, so the reveal would be out of nowhere.

But Sansa is the smartest person Arya ever met!!
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 12:48:58 PM: I think I read, or listened, to a theory about Jaime going to King's Landing because he does indeed love Cersei and everything he said to Brienne being true, but he sees her lying (again) about his baby with it being Euron's and that's what pushes him to kill Cersei, maybe even stab her in the back next to the iron throne and becoming the queenslayer in the process, but this time everyone knows he is justified and is therfore redeemed publicly this time.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2019, 01:18:50 PM: In addition to Sansa, I could see Bronn having seen how depleted the North was, and then gotten word back to the South, speeding up the process of starting the war. The quicker someone wins, the sooner he gets paid, and that is all he is about.

Regarding the pace, I really don't think it is moving that much faster so much that we are seeing characters more often. The early seasons had so many characters, and there were literally episodes where Danny or Jon Snow or Tyrion were only in 1 or 2 scenes. Now, we see them in most of the episode, because most of the remaining characters either came together in one place (the North) or are scattered about in the South or elsewhere.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 01:48:05 PM: Quote from: v_clortho on May 07, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
Prediction: Jaime kills Cersei by pushing her out a window or some other high place. I have a feeling he will fall with her as well. The hound and the Mountain will fight. The Hound will win but be severely hurt. Arya will put him out of his misery at his request.

I like all of this, but only if The Hound is mortally wounded. I think Cersei dying from a fall would be awesome.
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Post by: ariich on May 07, 2019, 01:58:29 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
So texting with Kev and now seeing it online.....there's a theory that Sansa basically gave Cersi a heads up that Dany was heading back to Dragonstone....tipping her off so Euron could get the drop on her. Being that there were no northern armies with Dany it'd be a good way to take her out. And, that Sansa is the one who has sent Arya to Kingslanding to kill Cersi.....since we didn't get a real 'goodbye' scene between the two.

Could be plausible.

Could be, but let's also remember that we're dealing with authors that gave us "Arya essentially jumps out of nowhere" and "Dany kinda forgot the Iron Fleet" (actual quotes). Sansa doing a secret power play to off both the bitch queens (as she surely sees them) could indeed be awesome, but feels too clever and has not been hinted in the least, so the reveal would be out of nowhere.
Not sure about this, but it's possible I suppose. Another possibility is Sansa and Arya plotting to take out Dany. Arya seemed like she had a specific purpose in mind when she snuck off, with no plan to return to Winterfell. And while we're presumably supposed to assume she's after Cersei (and maybe she is also), Dany also has green eyes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 02:05:20 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
Quote from: v_clortho on May 07, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
Prediction: Jaime kills Cersei by pushing her out a window or some other high place. I have a feeling he will fall with her as well. The hound and the Mountain will fight. The Hound will win but be severely hurt. Arya will put him out of his misery at his request.

I like all of this, but only if The Hound is mortally wounded. I think Cersei dying from a fall would be awesome.

I like Arya killing the Hound too. It seems they are friends and he's not really on the list anymore, but her doing that would still mean the list was valid but also goes back to her leaving him for dead and also ending putting him down like a dog. I like it, a lot.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 02:08:53 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
Quote from: v_clortho on May 07, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
Prediction: Jaime kills Cersei by pushing her out a window or some other high place. I have a feeling he will fall with her as well. The hound and the Mountain will fight. The Hound will win but be severely hurt. Arya will put him out of his misery at his request.

I like all of this, but only if The Hound is mortally wounded. I think Cersei dying from a fall would be awesome.

I like Arya killing the Hound too. It seems they are friends and he's not really on the list anymore, but her doing that would still mean the list was valid but also goes back to her leaving him for dead and also ending putting him down like a dog. I like it, a lot.

And...they just 'joked' about it as they left Winterfell. Seems like it'd be a fitting end for Clegane....to have probably the only person he's ever loved put him out of his misery.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 02:10:40 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
Quote from: v_clortho on May 07, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
Prediction: Jaime kills Cersei by pushing her out a window or some other high place. I have a feeling he will fall with her as well. The hound and the Mountain will fight. The Hound will win but be severely hurt. Arya will put him out of his misery at his request.

I like all of this, but only if The Hound is mortally wounded. I think Cersei dying from a fall would be awesome.

I like Arya killing the Hound too. It seems they are friends and he's not really on the list anymore, but her doing that would still mean the list was valid but also goes back to her leaving him for dead and also ending putting him down like a dog. I like it, a lot.

And...they just 'joked' about it as they left Winterfell. Seems like it'd be a fitting end for Clegane....to have probably the only person he's ever loved put him out of his misery.

Yup, that last episode had a few lines that could have been foreshadowing, especially the hints about Starks going to Kings landing don't come back. I wonder which, if any, are true or that I didn't even notice but would pick up on a rewatch of the season.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 02:12:44 PM: I think that would be perfect. And it would be the one killing that Arya maybe doesn't actually want to do, given how they've been treating each other lately. How awful/dramatic would that be.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 02:19:28 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 02:12:44 PM
I think that would be perfect. And it would be the one killing that Arya maybe doesn't actually want to do, given how they've been treating each other lately. How awful/dramatic would that be.

Maybe it would be her last one, before she becomes Gendry's lady. Like a realization that a life of death isn't what she wants after having to put down the Hound.
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Post by: Podaar on May 07, 2019, 02:34:17 PM: I'm actually more interested to find out if Jaqen H'ghar will wind up being part of Arya's story/ending. It seems to me the Temple of Black and White would come down heavy on someone with their training "giving the gift" for personal reasons.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2019, 02:39:00 PM: I definitely don't think Arya is going to kill Cersie; I think she has a different target (possibly Daenerys).

Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
I think Cersei dying from a fall would be awesome.

Nah, she deserves a much slower death. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 02:42:50 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 07, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
I definitely don't think Arya is going to kill Cersie; I think she has a different target (possibly Daenerys).

Quote from: Kattelox on May 07, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
I think Cersei dying from a fall would be awesome.

Nah, she deserves a much slower death. :biggrin: :biggrin:

So a fall down a really long stair case? :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8t0LvmCYAE5QbO.jpg)
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 03:17:47 PM: What if in the end Jon really gets the Iron Throne? Sansa would never leave the North, maybe when Cersei goes down and when Dany goes off the edge and Jon or someone has to end her, there's no one left but him.

It would be dramatic irony if, after 8 years of a battle for the throne, the one who gets it is looking somber and miserable while sitting on it. The happy ending many wanted... but not by the new King.
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2019, 03:19:09 PM: Am I the only one who doesn't want anyone to get the throne?

One of the messages I personally see in this show is that the system is broken and is horrible. To have the show end with the system just continuing on as usual would be a bit of a let down, unless they do it in a Lars Von Trier, everyone sucks kind of way, which I don't think the show would do well.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 03:22:57 PM: Well, if only the entire system would be wiped out by an existential menace pumped up since the prologue of the first episode of the first season which is also the first scene in the first book.

::)
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Post by: ariich on May 07, 2019, 03:23:34 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 07, 2019, 03:19:09 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't want anyone to get the throne?

One of the messages I personally see in this show is that the system is broken and is horrible. To have the show end with the system just continuing on as usual would be a bit of a let down, unless they do it in a Lars Von Trier, everyone sucks kind of way, which I don't think the show would do well.
Agreed on all counts.

Not to mention an ending that bleak would feel too much after 8 seasons of build up and character development.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 03:27:06 PM: Well, I just found out David Benioff wrote the screenplay for X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which might explain some things. Woof...

I hope the Throne doesn't even exist and/or that nobody gets it.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 03:43:40 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 07, 2019, 03:17:47 PM
What if in the end Jon really gets the Iron Throne? Sansa would never leave the North, maybe when Cersei goes down and when Dany goes off the edge and Jon or someone has to end her, there's no one left but him.

It would be dramatic irony if, after 8 years of a battle for the throne, the one who gets it is looking somber and miserable while sitting on it. The happy ending many wanted... but not by the new King.

This seems likely and would fulfill the vision of the red keep burnt down and covered in snow and also the bittersweet ending GRRM is talking about, sure Jon on the throne is kind of a happy ending but is it really when it cost everything for something you didn't even want?

As for how I want it to end, I just want to be satisfied and I think Jon or Dany on it would do that, but also, no one on it would work too. I think some of the far fetched ideas like Bran or Bronn being on it would be too far out of left field.
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2019, 04:16:49 PM: Something I just realized. A major missed opportunity for an Easter egg.

They had a whole hall of faces when Arya was training to be batman. Yet NONE of those faces were of Nic Cage.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2019, 06:11:57 PM: My friend said the ending has been leaked, not interested in it, but surprised it made it this long.

He did say he is REALLY interested in watching the last two episodes after reading it
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 06:19:16 PM: If I get this ending spoiled for me I am going to fill someone's day with fire and blood. :biggrin:
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Post by: ErHaO on May 07, 2019, 09:06:06 PM: What kind of leverage does Bron have on Jaime and Tyrion? Did I miss something? Like, as soon as Bron left that room I would've have him caught and imprisoned. Plenty of capable hands to take care of him right there. Bron seems to just have casually walked into Winterfell, threaten them, and walk away while he waits for them to get his prize. Sure, the three have a history, but he threatened their lives, shot an arrow next to Jaime and punched Tyrion as well. Bron is just a single dude on his own it seems.

Quote from: Adami on May 07, 2019, 03:19:09 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't want anyone to get the throne?

One of the messages I personally see in this show is that the system is broken and is horrible. To have the show end with the system just continuing on as usual would be a bit of a let down, unless they do it in a Lars Von Trier, everyone sucks kind of way, which I don't think the show would do well.

Yeah, but I doubt it. Honestly, not a whole lot of this and last season are in line with the former messages of this show.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 08, 2019, 01:19:06 AM: Yeah, Bronn's power play seems a bit weird. Maybe he didn't really mean it - mean it, but he had to show a tough face to not be waved away as their buddy who whines for a castle but in the end does always what he's told.

But let's see the possible outcomes:

Cersei wins: Tyrion showing up at the gates is already proof that Bronn didn't kill at least him, and Jaimie eventually showing up would mean a 0% success for Bronn.

Dany wins: Jaimie / Tyrion say "Look, this asshole threatened us and was about to kill us for Cersei, he can't be trusted anymore, lock him away in a dungeon forever".

He's really counting on the "Lannister always pay their debts" thing. And on dragons. Sorry, dragon.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on May 08, 2019, 02:06:36 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 07, 2019, 01:58:29 PM
Dany also has green eyes.

I thought Dany had violet eyes. Perhaps Emilia Clarke just forgot to put her contact lenses in again...
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Post by: Logain Ablar on May 08, 2019, 02:07:20 AM: Personally, I was a wee bit disappointed with this episode. It feels like they are in a mad rush to try to wrap everything up in the remaining time.

When Tyrion was standing before Cersei at the gates of King's Landing, I thought for half a second that she was going to kill him right there and then. Certainly, in earlier seasons we couldn't have ruled out a shock like that, but now it feels that all the main characters are safe until the final episode.

I like Bronn, but I think he's overstayed his welcome, for what is really a minor character. How did he manage to sneak into and out of Winterfell with that massive crossbow? :lol

I know what the Hound's unfinished business is, but what is Arya's? To kill Cersei? It might play out better to have her betrayed by one of her own, ie Jaimie

It will be interesting to see how things are wrapped up, and if the majority of viewers will be satisfied.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 08, 2019, 02:48:51 AM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on May 08, 2019, 02:07:20 AM
I like Bronn, but I think he's overstayed his welcome, for what is really a minor character. How did he manage to sneak into and out of Winterfell with that massive crossbow? :lol

*shrug*

"I'm bro with the Lannisters brothers, Cersei's a bitch so I deserted her, I want to join them, have you see a dwarf that talks a lot and a dude with a golden hand?"

Something like that I assume.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 08, 2019, 04:41:24 AM: They kinda just... killed it with these two eps. I can definitely see Dany sinking into rage after she sacrificed so much helped save the world and no one gave her thanks and if she was rejected by Westeros because she is the Mad King's daughter... in the books. Where having an unearned reputation is a recurring theme. Most famously with Jaime, who is despised for kingslaying when actually it was the right thing to do. But here they're playing it completely straight and they want us to believe that Jon would be a much better king because he doesn't want it? We already had that king, his name was Robert Baratheon.

Just a fucking mess. I don't even cheer for Dany, I was never into KHALEESIIIIIIIII. It's clear that her story can't end on the Iron Throne, for so many reasons, as much as she would rule at doing it. She can even be a tragic character, going down in history as a Mad Queen when we know all she wanted was a free folk to rule justly and to break the wheel of power. But the show wants us to think she's actually crazy for saying conquering just one city where a literal terrorist (who already killed thousands of civillians!!!!) resides over life and death is preferable over starving the populace with a siege like the Westerosi lords are used to. Sorry, but those aren't even 21st century morals, those are 22nd century morals we're judging her by.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 08, 2019, 04:53:28 AM: My problem with the fears of those around her that she could "go mad" is, well, the mad part - In World War II the USA nuked two japanese cities, Japan surrended, and that was it. They didn't nuke Tokio out of spite. They didn't use the nuke in the cold war. They used a terrible weapon for a perceived greater good, and that was it.

As I said previously, let's say Dany targets specifically the Red Keep and burns down Cersei and all her allies. Some civilians die, maybe scores upon scores, maybe hundreds, maybe even a thousand. Too bad. But she gets the throne, she declares herself queen, and then she would just rule. What does Varys fear? that she finds out she likes it? that she goes "Well, I killed some people as collateral damage, I might as well burn people like my father and impose unjust taxes and have everyone's riches taken away to built lifesize statues of me and my dragons all along Westeros"?

Hell, not even Cersei is doing any of that, sure she uses human shields but she passes it up cunningly as a protective move, why would Dany using the equivalent of a nuclear bombing would mean she'd use nukes every time, in every circumstance?
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 08, 2019, 05:13:42 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 08, 2019, 04:53:28 AM
My problem with the fears of those around her that she could "go mad" is, well, the mad part - In World War II the USA nuked two japanese cities, Japan surrended, and that was it. They didn't nuke Tokio out of spite. They didn't use the nuke in the cold war. They used a terrible weapon for a perceived greater good, and that was it.

As I said previously, let's say Dany targets specifically the Red Keep and burns down Cersei and all her allies. Some civilians die, maybe scores upon scores, maybe hundreds, maybe even a thousand. Too bad. But she gets the throne, she declares herself queen, and then she would just rule. What does Varys fear? that she finds out she likes it? that she goes "Well, I killed some people as collateral damage, I might as well burn people like my father and impose unjust taxes and have everyone's riches taken away to built lifesize statues of me and my dragons all along Westeros"?

Hell, not even Cersei is doing any of that, sure she uses human shields but she passes it up cunningly as a protective move, why would Dany using the equivalent of a nuclear bombing would mean she'd use nukes every time, in every circumstance?
In the books, I can buy that - ADWD ends with her realizing that dragons plant no trees, she did have some questionable decisions (Quentyn) and presumably she will use her dragons at some point in Westeros in order to fight book Euron and [redacted, character that appears in the book but not in the show]. So to speak, she is already going slightly mad in season 6, not season 8, in the books.

In the show, pretty much all the burning she did was to free slaves and punish the Tarly traitors, and she would have let them take the black instead anyway. She listens dutifully to Tyrion (she is much better at taking council than Jon), goes up with her dragons and armies to fight the war for mankind, loses half her army, proposes that they should win the easiest and most morally justifiable war ever by torching one city, but suddenly her advisors aren't the unscrupulous son of noted hardass Tywin Lannister and a dude who used to cut off children's tongues and raise them to be his spies, they're now winners of the Nobel peace prize for 2025. But if they articulated it a little better, I could still swallow it... this way it's just, "yeah we have a good conqueror with dragons and armies on our hands, but isn't it great how Jon is also a Targ but really doesn't wanna rule at all?"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2019, 08:06:25 AM: I'd imagine the Red Keep is surrounded by the huge crossbows. I actually wouldn't think it's even safe to bring the dragon near it without taking down their defenses. I actually think a siege would make more sense except I'm not sure how that works if Euron has the seas so Dany can't even surround the city.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 08, 2019, 08:14:00 AM: Daydreaming here:

The Golden Company is out there somehow, they will attack the combined forces of Dany and the North. They could and they SHOULD carry around a scorpion to fend off the dragon.

Daario could arrive as a suprise reinforcement, and maybe, if it's not too much to beg, not at the very last second (seriously. Enough with people arriving at the last moment, ever, in any movie) - they could be the skilled elite soldiers who attack the Golden Company and aim for the scorpion. Once the scorpion is destroyed or rendered ineffective.... what Missandei suggested? Dracarys. The Golden Company is toast.

Also, Daario and Grey Worm already sneeked into Yunkai and opened its gates - have them sneak into King's Landing at night, and create mayhem on the defense lines. Then Drogon arrives and burns the other ballistas.

Seriously, it would be cool if Dany and Grey Worm were so pissed that they would talk between each other and decide "Screw Tyion and Varys, we do it my way, and we avenge Missandei. How do you plan to take out the scorpions?", with an actual soldier and commander having an actual battle plan.

But I'm afraid none of this would justify Dany going full crazy, so it won't happen.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 08, 2019, 08:34:22 AM: I think the whole Dany thing is just a forced ploy by the writers to make the show more "exciting". Gotta have some tension so let's have her act crazy and everyone doubt her I don't think she will actually become a mad tyrant or attempt to become one. Could be wrong, offcourse, but that's my feeling. Character consistencies are kind of overboard already, so the writers write them however they want to get the situation they think is exciting.

Not sure which direction I prefer at this point though. A happy ending with Jon again fucking his aunt and them ruling the kingdom happily until they want a sequel series will feel off. I think/hope that at least during the last episodes plot armor will disappear and they will go all season 3 on their protected asses.

Not going to check out the leaks, but the show has filmed several endings and not even the actors know which will be the true one (if Emilia Clarke is to be believed).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 08, 2019, 08:48:01 AM: I believe that's PR mumbo jumbo to blow fog in the face of spoilers seekers.

How I met your mother had an alternate ending - it was a sitcom, it required some dialog and a rewind of older scenes. Whatever Game of Thrones end, it requires a giant set, CGI dragons, battles and specific dialogue. No way they film all of that to never use it. They said that they can't produce more than 10 episodes per year and yet they find time and money to film something they will never, ever use it?

I'm not saying it's impossible. But I won't be suprised at all if once the show is done, the actors in interviews will get asked about the alternate endings and they will say "Well, there weren't really, we were told to say so".
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Post by: The Walrus on May 08, 2019, 08:49:37 AM: Didn't The Walking Dead film death scenes for literally every character a few years ago, back when that Negan guy was big, to avoid people figuring out the real deal? I could believe Thrones doing this. Hell I could believe anything after Endgame's shenanigans with the trailers.
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Post by: Chino on May 08, 2019, 09:38:23 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 08, 2019, 08:49:37 AM
Didn't The Walking Dead film death scenes for literally every character a few years ago, back when that Negan guy was big, to avoid people figuring out the real deal? I could believe Thrones doing this. Hell I could believe anything after Endgame's shenanigans with the trailers.

I'm not sure about alternate death scenes, but I know they kept dead characters on the payroll and had them continue to show up on set even if they were done filming their parts.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 08, 2019, 09:44:24 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 08, 2019, 09:38:23 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 08, 2019, 08:49:37 AM
Didn't The Walking Dead film death scenes for literally every character a few years ago, back when that Negan guy was big, to avoid people figuring out the real deal? I could believe Thrones doing this. Hell I could believe anything after Endgame's shenanigans with the trailers.

I'm not sure about alternate death scenes, but I know they kept dead characters on the payroll and had them continue to show up on set even if they were done filming their parts.

That's wild. Also, found it. (https://www.bustle.com/articles/167686-the-walking-deads-negan-actually-killed-11-characters-for-that-huge-season-6-cliffhanger)
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Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2019, 09:45:11 AM: I was pretty sure GOT filmed multiple endings, at least that was rumored for a long time. Lets not forget that last year's leak was a huge deal for HBO so it would be in their interests to do what they could to not spoil the ending.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 08, 2019, 10:37:16 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 08, 2019, 08:48:01 AM
I believe that's PR mumbo jumbo to blow fog in the face of spoilers seekers.

How I met your mother had an alternate ending - it was a sitcom, it required some dialog and a rewind of older scenes. Whatever Game of Thrones end, it requires a giant set, CGI dragons, battles and specific dialogue. No way they film all of that to never use it. They said that they can't produce more than 10 episodes per year and yet they find time and money to film something they will never, ever use it?

I'm not saying it's impossible. But I won't be suprised at all if once the show is done, the actors in interviews will get asked about the alternate endings and they will say "Well, there weren't really, we were told to say so".

Yeah, that could be, but they offcourse don't have to finalize the scenes with cgi and all. The big battles and the likes they won't film several times obviously, but scenes were a bunch of characters are together (in front of a green screen) they can do I think. These leaks are often believed to come from extras or other minor people involved, throwing them off can be effective, as they won't have an overview of all scenes or the entire production.
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Post by: Mladen on May 08, 2019, 03:47:07 PM: The Simpsons also purposely leaked alternate fake endings to Who shot Mr. Burns. Those were the days. ;D
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 01:21:03 AM: For the record, leaks happened anyway. I'm checking Reddit discussions and the comments "Oh no the leaks were true then" once an episode airs are plenty.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 09, 2019, 05:33:14 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 01:21:03 AM
For the record, leaks happened anyway. I'm checking Reddit discussions and the comments "Oh no the leaks were true then" once an episode airs are plenty.
I saw some leaks pre-EP4,

DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT MY OPINION! NOT POSTING SPOILERS, JUST WHAT I THINK OF THEM.

I thought they were leaking a fake storyline to make the actual ending more palatable in comparison once it airs. But everything from EP4 came true so we'll see.

END OF OPINION. So yeah, shit got leaked anyway, if you don't want spoilers, I'd avoid internet nerd spaces for a bit, and definitely r/freefolk.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2019, 07:03:34 AM: I was really, really tempted yesterday to look at leaks for the last two episodes, given the writing in the last two episodes... but in the end I thought, what the hell, there's just two weeks left, try to avoid it.

So me being me, I'm going to continue to peruse the GoT subreddit (not freefolk) and try to avoid spoilers. Gulp.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 07:29:01 AM: Yeah of course it's been long known that there are potential leaks floating out there (thankfully more limited than leaks for season 7) and some amount of information from each episode has leaked in the days before it through images, subtitle leaks etc... but I've no interest in reading them. Whether it's good or bad, finding out what happens in something for the first time by viewing as it was intended is an experience that can't be replicated.

And yeah, on the earlier subject of what was / wasn't good to have in this thread re: criticism, discussion, I can only speak for myself but I'll say that if the thread here is going to be including regular discussion of possible leaks (even if it's a *wink wink* not saying what's in the leaks but *nudge nudge*), then that's the thing that would mean it's is gonna be a no from me dawg.
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Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 07:30:40 AM: Can we all agree not to post any leaks or spoilers here til the episode airs? I'd hate to have to avoid the only place I talk about GoT.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2019, 07:35:40 AM: Yeah agreed, I don't want to read anything about spoilers or leaks. We just have 2 more weeks, if we all made it through the Endgame hype, we can do this :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 07:46:47 AM: Yeah. Let’s keep it to after current episode airs content. I think the majority of us here are pretty ‘leak’ respectful.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2019, 09:30:20 AM: I did break down and check some leaks but honestly it didn't budge my excitement levels or anything... it's just more info. I really have no idea what comes next. I'm finding myself getting more and more bitter every day with the lazy excuses and the rushed episodes, though. Like, a lot of this stuff - not all, but a lot - would have way more impact if there was just more time for situations to marinate. Most of what's shown, I have no issues with - but it's just rushed and would have much more dramatic impact with the build-up they had in earlier situations. Jaime going back to Cersei, for example. Excellent dialogue there ("she's hateful - and so am I") but if Jaime had spent much more time up in the North, with or without Brienne, I think it would've been even stronger.

There's that video of Emilia Clarke kinda of wince-smiling as she says "best season ever" about season 8... gulp.
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Post by: ariich on May 09, 2019, 09:34:54 AM: The next episode has been hyped up as an even bigger battle than episode 3 was. Kinda suggests it'll be another 1.5 hours of just one battle. I'll reiterate my point that the plot and character development feeling rushed is because the writers seem to be prioritising epic battles over narrative, which is good event television but definitely not my priority and I think it's a shame.

EDIT: Oh and yeah I'd prefer to avoid spoilers as I am still enjoying the show overall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 09:41:01 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 09, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
The next episode has been hyped up as an even bigger battle than episode 3 was. Kinda suggests it'll be another 1.5 hours of just one battle. I'll reiterate my point that the plot and character development feeling rushed is because the writers seem to be prioritising epic battles over narrative, which is good event television but definitely not my priority and I think it's a shame.

EDIT: Oh and yeah I'd prefer to avoid spoilers as I am still enjoying the show overall.

I'm on the same page. In the earlier seasons we rarely got battles. They were few and far between and definitely NOT what made the show the powerhouse it is today. However, the show runners seem to think that all people want are big battles (and basing on comments here and other places, they might be right) and are turning the show into that instead. I agree it's a shame, but they get what they want (huge ratings) and the people get what they want, big battles. I guess.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 09:41:23 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 09, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
The next episode has been hyped up as an even bigger battle than episode 3 was. Kinda suggests it'll be another 1.5 hours of just one battle. I'll reiterate my point that the plot and character development feeling rushed is because the writers seem to be prioritising epic battles over narrative, which is good event television but definitely not my priority and I think it's a shame.

EDIT: Oh and yeah I'd prefer to avoid spoilers as I am still enjoying the show overall.

Yea, like the Battle for Winterfell was awesome to watch, but last episode with more story I felt like was a better episode. It's just two polar opposite types of episodes and as much as I love a good battle, a good story might be even better. I got to think there is more than just a battle next episode, there's such little time left to finish the story.

Also +1 on no spoilers. I think I brought it up saying the ending was leaked, but I have no intention on spoiling myself or others.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 09:48:32 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 09, 2019, 09:41:01 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 09, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
The next episode has been hyped up as an even bigger battle than episode 3 was. Kinda suggests it'll be another 1.5 hours of just one battle. I'll reiterate my point that the plot and character development feeling rushed is because the writers seem to be prioritising epic battles over narrative, which is good event television but definitely not my priority and I think it's a shame.

EDIT: Oh and yeah I'd prefer to avoid spoilers as I am still enjoying the show overall.

I'm on the same page. In the earlier seasons we rarely got battles. They were few and far between and definitely NOT what made the show the powerhouse it is today. However, the show runners seem to think that all people want are big battles (and basing on comments here and other places, they might be right) and are turning the show into that instead. I agree it's a shame, but they get what they want (huge ratings) and the people get what they want, big battles. I guess.
I get what you're saying, and I don't know why we can't have both, but there's no way there weren't going to be at least a couple of big battles this season. Just no way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 09, 2019, 09:52:20 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 09, 2019, 09:41:01 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 09, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
The next episode has been hyped up as an even bigger battle than episode 3 was. Kinda suggests it'll be another 1.5 hours of just one battle. I'll reiterate my point that the plot and character development feeling rushed is because the writers seem to be prioritising epic battles over narrative, which is good event television but definitely not my priority and I think it's a shame.

EDIT: Oh and yeah I'd prefer to avoid spoilers as I am still enjoying the show overall.

I'm on the same page. In the earlier seasons we rarely got battles. They were few and far between and definitely NOT what made the show the powerhouse it is today. However, the show runners seem to think that all people want are big battles (and basing on comments here and other places, they might be right) and are turning the show into that instead. I agree it's a shame, but they get what they want (huge ratings) and the people get what they want, big battles. I guess.
I mean, there's typically been one epic battle episode per season (not every season but most) and in fairness they've usually been really good. But a single one-hour episode out of 10 has still allowed lots of plot and character development throughout the rest of the season. I agree it feels a bit like they've taken the justified positive reactions to previous battle episodes and gone overboard with it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 09:52:36 AM: Oh I wasn't saying we shouldn't have any battles.

I'm just saying the show has made them basically the number 1 priority and the biggest draw when that didn't used to be the case, and it might be at the expense of plot and character development being done well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 09, 2019, 09:54:06 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 09:48:32 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 09, 2019, 09:41:01 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 09, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
The next episode has been hyped up as an even bigger battle than episode 3 was. Kinda suggests it'll be another 1.5 hours of just one battle. I'll reiterate my point that the plot and character development feeling rushed is because the writers seem to be prioritising epic battles over narrative, which is good event television but definitely not my priority and I think it's a shame.

EDIT: Oh and yeah I'd prefer to avoid spoilers as I am still enjoying the show overall.

I'm on the same page. In the earlier seasons we rarely got battles. They were few and far between and definitely NOT what made the show the powerhouse it is today. However, the show runners seem to think that all people want are big battles (and basing on comments here and other places, they might be right) and are turning the show into that instead. I agree it's a shame, but they get what they want (huge ratings) and the people get what they want, big battles. I guess.
I get what you're saying, and I don't know why we can't have both, but there's no way there weren't going to be at least a couple of big battles this season. Just no way.
I don't disagree, but either 1. the battles could have been shorter in length with more time dedicated to character time or plot progression, or 2. if they really wanted to spend that much screen time on big battles then they could have gone with more episodes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 10:43:45 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 09, 2019, 09:52:36 AM
Oh I wasn't saying we shouldn't have any battles.

I'm just saying the show has made them basically the number 1 priority and the biggest draw when that didn't used to be the case, and it might be at the expense of plot and character development being done well.

This show undoubtedly shifted its focus once they surpassed the source material. The poetic ‘Nuance’ of the show that forged its foundation and made it such a ‘great’ show was lost once they did not have GRRM’s writing to lead and direct them.

Character dialogue and development changed.....not to an utterly detrimental point but enough to notice. I think they tried their best but shifted focus to the big ‘splosions and battles to keep us intertwined.....which have been awesome....but, we all can see that the characters and story have suffered a bit.

I still did the show immensely but it’s not quite what it used to be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 09, 2019, 10:52:12 AM: This is the end of the show. We've had all sorts of prior seasons for good dialogue and character development. What's left to develop, now that there are only 2 episodes left? Eventually, these characters all have to embark on their final journey - Arya to kill Cersei (?), The Hound to confront The Mountain, The Night King to take over the world, Jon et. al., to defend the world, Dany to attempt to sieze the Iron Throne. Jamie to handle some final business with Cersei, either to defend or kill her, etc.

I don't see why everyone is harping on these episodes when the series is just about over - the show is headed towards the two giant conflicts that have always been promised (The Night King, The Iron Throne), so character development eventually ends and those conflicts become the primary focus of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2019, 10:53:35 AM: On a positive note, how freaking good was Cersei's acting in the last episode? Honestly she's my favorite character in the entire show. I think my single favorite thing about episode 4 was how she used her facial expressions and said so much without saying anything.

When they strolled up to King's Landing, honestly, that whole scene gives me chills. It feels like walking up to a final boss in an RPG that you know is menacing, powerful, and ruthless. Qyburn as the master of black magic, Ser Gregor as the undead warrior bodyguard, the pinnacle of physical might, and Cersei, the despicable, cruel, tyrant queen. Qyburn hasn't really had a lot of screen time or important moments, but boy does he feel deadly. I love the brief pensive moment he has when he responds to Tyrion's comment about screams of burning children. So evil in such a subtle way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 10:55:52 AM: Quote from: Grappler on May 09, 2019, 10:52:12 AM
This is the end of the show. We've had all sorts of prior seasons for good dialogue and character development. What's left to develop, now that there are only 2 episodes left? Eventually, these characters all have to embark on their final journey - Arya to kill Cersei (?), The Hound to confront The Mountain, The Night King to take over the world, Jon et. al., to defend the world, Dany to attempt to sieze the Iron Throne. Jamie to handle some final business with Cersei, either to defend or kill her, etc.

I don't see why everyone is harping on these episodes when the series is just about over - the show is headed towards the two giant conflicts that have always been promised (The Night King, The Iron Throne), so character development eventually ends and those conflicts become the primary focus of the show.

What? No. Character development doesn't get an excuse to become bad just cause the show is ending. This is when it needs to be great. I didn't invest 8 years and 7 seasons (the last two of which were also a bit meh) just to see battles that i can see in other movies done better.

I get you like it, but please stop totally dismissing the valid criticism of a LOT of people. I still like the show despite my complaints.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2019, 10:56:46 AM: Quote from: Grappler on May 09, 2019, 10:52:12 AM
This is the end of the show. We've had all sorts of prior seasons for good dialogue and character development. What's left to develop, now that there are only 2 episodes left? Eventually, these characters all have to embark on their final journey - Arya to kill Cersei (?), The Hound to confront The Mountain, The Night King to take over the world, Jon et. al., to defend the world, Dany to attempt to sieze the Iron Throne. Jamie to handle some final business with Cersei, either to defend or kill her, etc.

I don't see why everyone is harping on these episodes when the series is just about over - the show is headed towards the two giant conflicts that have always been promised (The Night King, The Iron Throne), so character development eventually ends and those conflicts become the primary focus of the show.

I agree to some extent but I mean there's soooo much they could still take their time with. They could've held Missandei captive for at least a couple episodes. They could've shown Jaime spending more time in the North with Brienne, maybe. They could've spend more time showing characters on the extremely long road from Winterfell to King's Landing. It's all about how they've rushed through these seasons instead of giving characters time to breathe and marinate in their situations like they did in earlier episodes. That's the problem. The old Game of Thrones would take its time letting characters stew in their emotions and dilemmas. The final seasons need that kind of drama as well as all the action.

EDIT: Yeah, what Adami said.

EDIT 2: It's already been harped on to death but... just watched the Rhaegal scene again and the bolt LITERALLY COMES FROM THE DIRECTION DANY IS LOOKING TOWARDS!! It's not even like the bolt came from behind!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 11:16:50 AM: The plot points are fine. It's the road leading there that leaves a lot to be desired.

Walter White in Breaking Bad, well, broke bad basically over the course of 5 seasons, and still at the end he wasn't a ruthless kingpin all of the time but was still his unsure coward self. I'm fine with Dany snapping and going over the mental edge, I'm less fine with having a single episode where she feels shunned by everyone AND loses a dragon in a way that makes no sense AND sees her bestie killed.

Robb Stark's journey ended at the Red Wedding, that was a season long in the process, if not before. It's like if they'd had shown him marrying Talysa AND losing the mill because of Edmure's dumbfuckery AND beheading Lord Karstark ALL IN THE SAME EPISODE, and then kill him right the episode after.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 12:08:08 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 09, 2019, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Grappler on May 09, 2019, 10:52:12 AM
This is the end of the show. We've had all sorts of prior seasons for good dialogue and character development. What's left to develop, now that there are only 2 episodes left? Eventually, these characters all have to embark on their final journey - Arya to kill Cersei (?), The Hound to confront The Mountain, The Night King to take over the world, Jon et. al., to defend the world, Dany to attempt to sieze the Iron Throne. Jamie to handle some final business with Cersei, either to defend or kill her, etc.

I don't see why everyone is harping on these episodes when the series is just about over - the show is headed towards the two giant conflicts that have always been promised (The Night King, The Iron Throne), so character development eventually ends and those conflicts become the primary focus of the show.

I get you like it, but please stop totally dismissing the valid criticism of a LOT of people. I still like the show despite my complaints.

I'm stuck right in the middle on this. I'm 'fine' with the pace being pushed to week out some of the non-essential scenes....but at the same time I'd have liked to see a bit more about Bran and his condition.....maybe one more revelation he could bring about the Night Kings or White Walkers. Did it 'ruin' anything for me? Nope. But it would have been cool to add another layer or two to that story line. Same with Jamie/Brianne. We have had several seasons of those two becoming close and you could 'feel' that they both cared for one another so when they finally hooked up it didn't feel rushed....but the way Jamie left did. Perhaps a bit more care with that situation....another few scenes to really build it up and make his exit more dramatic.

Stuff like that.... it's not a series killer for me but as has been mentioned....the show was SO good at the nuance, dialogue and character related things in the first 5 seasons that it has stood out in the last few as a 'weak' point. Not a show destroying issue....but an issue none the less.
What? No. Character development doesn't get an excuse to become bad just cause the show is ending. This is when it needs to be great. I didn't invest 8 years and 7 seasons (the last two of which were also a bit meh) just to see battles that i can see in other movies done better.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 12:10:33 PM: I totally get your point. And here's why my thinking I believe would be good for everyone.

Option 1) We skip over plot and character to give more battles and make everything very fast
Option 2) We focus more on character and plot and focus less on battles and action

Option 1 = a large portion of the fan base becomes disappointed and sees the showing ending on a low note.
Option 2 = People were into this show long before (I assume) it all became about battles and dragons. So going back to that wouldn't lose anyone.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Mladen on May 09, 2019, 12:19:23 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 11:16:50 AM
Robb Stark's journey ended at the Red Wedding, that was a season long in the process, if not before. It's like if they'd had shown him marrying Talysa AND losing the mill because of Edmure's dumbfuckery AND beheading Lord Karstark ALL IN THE SAME EPISODE, and then kill him right the episode after.
Whatever happened to the Edmure guy?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on May 09, 2019, 12:26:28 PM: I guess what I don't understand is what did you all expect? We all knew the last season was 6 episodes and would be the last season. So everyone knew that this season would be the climax. Plus, we're through 4 episodes and only 1 has been focused on battles and dragons. And looking back, the vast majority of the show (pre and post book material) has been character/plot focused, not battles. I anticipated that this season would be similar to Return of the King or basically like one big movie.

People can critique the show, but I don't feel like the quality of the show is any worse now than any other season and I don't see the problem with people defending the show if people are able to voice their displeasure. Yes the story has sped up and the seasons have become shorter but the quality is still there. Would it have been awesome to have the show go on another 5 seasons knowing that there was a limit to the cost of the show and that the cast was ready to move on? I'd say no because then you'd have The Walking Dead which rapidly turned into a massive pile of shit.

My personal opinion on the level of disappointment about the show, not just here btw, is primarily due to one of the following:
1. The story is not panning out the way people want it to. Any one is shocked at the potential Danny turning crazy has not been paying attention for the majority of the show. They have subtlety been alluding to that possibility for years.
2. The show is so massively popular and mainstream that's it's not cool anymore.

I think the same thing has happened with Star Wars. It's not perfect and I personally wished some things would have happened differently but man this show is still better than 99% if not anything that has been on TV ever. I 100% guarantee that people will watch the show in it's entirely or just season 8 a year from now and actually appreciate the show more. If you watch the post thrones show with the creators they obviously have reason for everything they've done. You may not agree with it but it doesn't make the quality bad.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 12:29:02 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 09, 2019, 12:10:33 PM
I totally get your point. And here's why my thinking I believe would be good for everyone.

Option 1) We skip over plot and character to give more battles and make everything very fast
Option 2) We focus more on character and plot and focus less on battles and action

Option 1 = a large portion of the fan base becomes disappointed and sees the showing ending on a low note.
Option 2 = People were into this show long before (I assume) it all became about battles and dragons. So going back to that wouldn't lose anyone.

The decision to shorten Seasons 7 and 8 was always based around the two show runners believing they could finish telling the story in that amount of episodes. While, they are doing just that.....I'm just wondering what were the considerations in making that decision? Was it the actors/actresses and themselves just wanting to turn the page to something new more quickly? We know it wasn't budget because I have a hunch HBO would have funded as many seasons as they wanted at 10 episodes per season. Did they realize they're effort in writing these characters was that much more noticeably 'worse' than when they had GRRM's source material to draw from? So they just decided to fast track it?

Again....I'm actually not at all disappointed with what I've seen thus far this season. Been greatly entertained and have had no real big issues with any of the episodes. A gripe here or there but nothing to ruin it for me. But I'm also an honest enough fan to be able to see the difference in the show the last two (or three) seasons compared to the first (five or) six.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 12:32:13 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on May 09, 2019, 12:26:28 PM
My personal opinion on the level of disappointment about the show, not just here btw, is primarily due to one of the following:
1. The story is not panning out the way people want it to. Any one is shocked at the potential Danny turning crazy has not been paying attention for the majority of the show. They have subtlety been alluding to that possibility for years.
2. The show is so massively popular and mainstream that's it's not cool anymore.

Completely on board with these two points. The first one....absolutely. Just like in SW....it seems that a lot of the 'hate' may be coming from folks who had their own idea of how things should have been done on the show. And with the second point, The only way for the show to 'go' was down for some people because of the heights it's reached.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 12:42:42 PM: Quote from: kaos2900 on May 09, 2019, 12:26:28 PM
I guess what I don't understand is what did you all expect? We all knew the last season was 6 episodes and would be the last season. So everyone knew that this season would be the climax. Plus, we're through 4 episodes and only 1 has been focused on battles and dragons. And looking back, the vast majority of the show (pre and post book material) has been character/plot focused, not battles. I anticipated that this season would be similar to Return of the King or basically like one big movie.

Well, I expected that since they told they knew they needed 13 episodes to end the story, those episodes would have been properly paced and with everything in there needed to go on, but at times it's too slow (one entire, for lack of a better term, "bottle episode" before the battle) and at time too fast (Dany being pushed over the edge in one single episode).

Speaking of that...

Quote from: kaos2900 on May 09, 2019, 12:26:28 PM
Any one is shocked at the potential Danny turning crazy has not been paying attention for the majority of the show. They have subtlety been alluding to that possibility for years.

How? this is not an antagonizing question, but a genuine one to have some fun discussion about it.

Looking back all I can see is, let's see...
- She realizes she has a damn dragon and starts to use it to take down slavers
- She uses them to end the slavers menace for good and then sails to Westeros
- She acts a bit cold and bitchy the moment she sets foot on Dragonstone. But, to be fair, let's quote Tyrion talking to Jon: "You come here talking about White Walkers and demand her to fight an unseen and mythical enemy. It's too much".
- She reacts to a defeat in war by inflicting a defeat at the Lannister forces, offers a choice to Tarly sr. and son, and when they refuse, she execute them. Yes, harsh and unnecessary. Bad mistake on her part. But not done out of cruelty.
- Accepts the idea to know burn King's Landing to the ground, goes north to fight the "real war", burns down a megaton of wights with her dragon and people cheer more for the girl that got a lucky shot at the Night King
- She finds out her life is a lie - she has not a birthright to the Iron Throne. The guy she's in love with is, the guy adored by all his people is.
- She's irrationally impatient in wanting to attack immediately Cersei. Big mistake, sure.

This is enough for Varys to say "screw her"? when she still follows his and Tyrion's suggestions?

One thing is to ask the USA to not drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Another one is to assume that once Hiroshima is bombed, they will nuke all of Japan and the russians and the english if they make a joke about the tea party and everyone else who doesn't sing the Star Spangled Banner.

Again, not presenting these as facts, just the way I see it. I'm more than open to change my mind and being brought aboard the "Come on, the signs of Dany snapping were many and plenty and evident", that way I won't be too sad at seeing one of my favorite characters losing it all :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2019, 12:50:29 PM: What I expected was some corners to be cut. What I did not expect was sloppiness and careless explanations for the Dany-Rhaegal-Euron scene such as, "she forgot." It's inexcusable. I can deal with some faults, hell I defended the Winterfell battle episode to a great extent, but that is just some infuriatingly lazy writing there, which I'll finally agree with Adami on (since I criticized the use of those words back in episode 3). Lazy writing, plain and simple.

I really wish D&D had just let somebody else take over for a couple full seasons instead of hamstringing the logic the entire show had used so well up until season 7.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 12:56:50 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 12:50:29 PM
I really wish D&D had just let somebody else take over for a couple full seasons instead of hamstringing the logic the entire show had used so well up until season 7.

Yep. A Fresh set of eyes to close this show out would have done wonders. Could have kept it in house and just passed the torch to a couple of the directors who'd been around a while. In my mind......and this strictly speculation drawn from their numerous comments and interviews.....they were basically 'over' the show and ready to move on to other things. They had/have other offers coming in like the future Star Wars films and they've been linked to other TV shows and what not....they're attention and time was divided and sadly as has been mentioned.....I think GOT has suffered a bit for it.

Again....still love the show.....but, there's no denying the difference in it when comparing say the first three seasons to the last three.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 01:00:40 PM: I dont understand the idea that the final season doesn't need character build and story development ???

I think it definitely needs this, not just for closure but to continue to have viewer interest. Without any of that, they could have ended the series much sooner, but there is still story to be told for many of the characters.

Look at Jaime, he appeared to have turned the corner to be a good guy by coming to Winterfell and yet he ran off for his love of Cersei. There's still more to this character and things like that keep the show interesting instead of him just living happily ever after with Brienne. He has unfinished business.

And for Dany, if she didn't have her "is she going to break?" moment we are in now, I think we would all be really bored with her story. It would be too straight forward, you need the nuances in any story and you especially need them for this story, now.

I do think the show kind of dumped some of the nuances in favor of the fan fiction of many scenes before the battle of winterfell. I think thats what turned me off so much from episode 2. They had all these scenes together and it was all jsut a rehash or a throw away to the fans, but none of it was making the characters more interesting. They did much more of that in episode 4, Arya dumping Gendry, Sansa going behind Jons back, Varys plotting against Dany. That's the stuff that made this show so good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 01:06:18 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 01:00:40 PM
Look at Jaime, he appeared to have turned the corner to be a good guy by coming to Winterfell and yet he ran off for his love of Cersei.

I didn't get the feeling he ran off because he missed her and wanted to be with her. I get the feeling after he heard that Dany lost another Dragon and that the 'tide' of the war was turning....he feared that Cersi might actually win....and knows he's the only one that can get close enough to her to kill her or take her out. I never once got the sense that he was running back to her arms. I got the sense he was leaving to remove her from power.

Bran had just told him that she wanted him dead. Jamie saw what she'd become as he left Kingslanding. The 'I'm hateful' speech he gave Brianne was designed in a way for her not to chase after him so she'd be safe....not because he indeed didn't love her.....it' was because he loves her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 01:19:41 PM: Oh totally Gary, that's kind of my point though. In that, they put a character driven story here and they portrayed it as he was leaving Brienne for Cersei, but I think we all feel there is more to that. That, to me, is a great example of building character and still doing so in the final season. While we all think he's likely going to kill Cersei, there is that doubt that maybe he still does love her because we have seasons of backstory between those two.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 01:42:40 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 12:50:29 PM
What I expected was some corners to be cut. What I did not expect was sloppiness and careless explanations for the Dany-Rhaegal-Euron scene such as, "she forgot."
This and some other quotes from "Inside the Episode" often get floated as being flaws of the season, I think it's important to point out that that is not actually a part of the show. It's clear in the episode that the characters did not literally forget about the Iron Fleet, they mentioned it I think twice in the war table scene in Winterfell. The logistics of the ambush scene may be poor but including things that are external to the show as part of your criticism of a scene or episode seems as sloppy as.... as sloppy as D&D's writing, amirite? She for whavever reason wasn't expecting them to attack at that exact place and moment and somehow didn't see them before they fired at Rhaegal - there are problems enough with that, but there's nothing in the episode that tries to portray that she or anyone else literally forgot about the Iron Fleet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2019, 01:45:23 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 12:50:29 PM
What I expected was some corners to be cut. What I did not expect was sloppiness and careless explanations for the Dany-Rhaegal-Euron scene such as, "she forgot."
This and some other quotes from "Inside the Episode" often get floated as being flaws of the season, I think it's important to point out that that is not actually a part of the show. It's clear in the episode that the characters did not literally forget about the Iron Fleet, they mentioned it I think twice in the war table scene in Winterfell. The logistics of the ambush scene may be poor but including things that are external to the show as part of your criticism of a scene or episode seems as sloppy as.... as sloppy as D&D's writing, amirite? She for whavever reason wasn't expecting them to attack at that exact place and moment and somehow didn't see them before they fired at Rhaegal - there are problems enough with that, but there's nothing in the episode that tries to portray that she or anyone else literally forgot about the Iron Fleet.

But they wrote the episode, and literally said afterwards that Dany forgot about it. Which is it, and which do you take as gospel when they're both from the writers, who are also the showrunners?

Again, she was looking directly in the direction the bolts were coming from when they hit Rhaegal. HOW did she not see the ships prior to that? Euron isn't firing curveballs from behind mountains here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Mladen on May 09, 2019, 01:48:21 PM: I honestly hope David didn't mean it like "She forgot", but he just accidentally put it like that. Maybe he wanted to say "She oversaw the possibility of the Fleet ambushing her."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 02:04:51 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 12:42:42 PM
- She reacts to a defeat in war by inflicting a defeat at the Lannister forces, offers a choice to Tarly sr. and son, and when they refuse, she execute them. Yes, harsh and unnecessary. Bad mistake on her part. But not done out of cruelty.
I'm of the position that Daenerys has always (or at least since her arrival in Meereen) had instances that suggest a "mad queen" potential (here referring to tyrannical, merciless and being too quick or fond of burning people, rather than literally being insane - the "mad" epiphet is mainly just because of parallels to her father's fondness for burning people). Throughout the seasons I was a little confused about where the show was going to go with it, because it didn't seem like it would work if it wasn't building to something like this. It's normally clear in a TV show whether the audience is intended to agree with or sympathise with an act, even if you could think about it and disagree with it independently, normally you can tell whether the portrayal was meant to be sympathetic or not. And it really seemed to me that the show was building in these instances of Daenerys doing things that were clearly problematic or at least showed potential of building up to being problematic down the road (and here I'm not talking about the morality of events in universe, but how they are portrayed to the viewer). And there was usually some sort of conversation afterwards that reflected on it a bit, but to me it always felt quite inconclusive whether we were supposed to see it as maybe a mistake that she had learned from or not - so I was confused about whether the show intended that those incidents were firmly behind her (as they didn't feel like it, but it could obviously have been a poor portrayal of that), or if they were indicative of something that could cause future conflicts.

The execution of the Tarlys was by far the most prominent example, I think your quick description has minimized the impact and significance of what happened and particularly how.

We're dealing with a fictional world here so obviously their standards and morals are not the same, but within the world of Westeros, executing someone by burning them alive is considered more heinous than other forms of execution. We saw Jon Snow execute someone by shooting specifically to spare him the suffering of being burned alive. The other burnings conducted by Melisandre and Stannis were similarly treated as more problematic than simple executions. So burning prisoners alive will be looked on differently than "cleaner" executions. And I'm not making the argument about the technical level of suffering caused by each of these executions in reality, only how these acts seem to be percieved in Westeros.

Also, while burning people alive doesn't seem to be looked on too fondly in general, in Daenerys' case it specifically links back to Aerys. Burning a high lord alive was what started the rebellion. And Aerys increase the frequency of his burnings as he got worse (culminating of course in "burn them all!", though that part is not widely known in Westeros). So her specifically returning to Westeros and then immediately burning people alive will set off alarms for many - and that's regardless of how justified the executions are. That's something she should have known, and the fact that she decided to burn a Lord and his heir despite the fact that she had every way of knowing the obvious problems that would pose should cause concerns. Because either she was somehow oblivious to it, or she was so keen to burn people that she proceeded with it despite the obvious problems.

So why did she want to burn them? I've seen comparison made to killing enemies that refuse to surrender, but it's important to note that wasn't the case here. Randyll and Dickon weren't still fighting so they had already surrendered. The choice that she offered them was to "bend the knee and join her" or die, which is not simply a matter of surrendering. Tarly obviously refused, but he was still her prisoner. There was no particular need to rush the decision of what to do with him - he could have easily have been taken and put in a dungeon or under guard somewhere. She didn't do it because "if putting people in chains becomes an option, many will take it." That statement is strong evidence of her all or nothing approach when it comes to loyalty, the "kneel or burn" attitude that I think is ultimately what will cause problems rather than outright cruelty. Her approach is to make an example of her most prominent prisoner by burning him and his heir alive to demonstrate to others that they face exactly the same choice - burn or kneel.

And there's the matter that it wasn't just Randyll, but Dickon too. Randyll disrespected her by making clear he was going to refuse to acknowledge her as queen. Dickon was simply someone who was present when his father was about to be burned and wanted to stand beside him. Daenerys justified her action with "I gave them a choice. They made it." But the "choice" put to Dickon was hardly a fair one and, importantly, she wasn't forced to present him with that choice or abide by what he said. As their captor it was easily within her power to simply restrain Dickon or have him taken away regardless of his protests. Or she could have taken them both as prisoner (remember, there was no rush to deal with them). Perhaps given an hour or two Randyll might be able to convince his son to bend the knee. Or perhaps Tyrion could convince Randyll to reconsider his "take the black" option as an honourable way out. So the fact that "it was their choice" holds little weight when Daenerys held all the power and could have done things differently - about as much weight as Aerys letting Rickard Stark have a trial by combat, then choosing "fire" as his champion.

That's a lot about a single instance, but I think what happened with the Tarlys was very significant and indicative of the potential problem. I agree that the extent that other characters suddenly increased their concerns about Daenerys in the last episode felt very rushed, but the concerns were there. And the early part of season 8 made clear that Jon's claim was going to be a problem for her, even if he didn't want the throne. That's why I said after episode 3 that I suspected the real reason Cersei still remained with 3 episodes to go wasn't because a battle to dethrone her was so significant, but so that there was a remaining obvious conflict after the Long Night rather than everything being all wrapped up, and the conflict between characters that fought together against the Others would come into the fore during that. I don't know if it will escalate to war, but the direction things are heading makes sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 02:05:01 PM: Quote from: Mladen on May 09, 2019, 01:48:21 PM
I honestly hope David didn't mean it like "She forgot", but he just accidentally put it like that. Maybe he wanted to say "She oversaw the possibility of the Fleet ambushing her."

I see it more as a 'forget' like....she was more or less 'home'.....just cruising on Drogon and enjoying some down time after just fighting dead things.....she probably felt safe.

Still....doesn't forgive the fact that the Dragons have been touted as very smart and cunning animals....I'm more frustrated at the fact that 'they' allowed themselves to be ambushed.....not that Dany did. Because no matter what they say those ships would have been in their vision or they'd have sensed them by smell or something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 02:06:31 PM: I think they meant to say "we forgot" :lol

I think that scene was meant to show them just flying around and having fun, being careless essentially and getting caught for it. I think that was pretty poor but I think that's what they were trying to show there. Before the first arrow hit, my immediate thought was "oh cool the Dragons have recovered and are having some fun now... oh shit nvmd" I don't think it really works in reality when you think about ti.... dragons over sea not seeing ships? but I think they just literally didn't think that deeply into it and went with the shock, and I do think the shock part worked. It's just when you think about it further, it makes little to no sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 02:08:40 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 12:42:42 PM
- She reacts to a defeat in war by inflicting a defeat at the Lannister forces, offers a choice to Tarly sr. and son, and when they refuse, she execute them. Yes, harsh and unnecessary. Bad mistake on her part. But not done out of cruelty.
I'm of the position that Daenerys has always (or at least since her arrival in Meereen) had instances that suggest a "mad queen" potential (here referring to tyrannical, merciless and being too quick or fond of burning people, rather than literally being insane - the "mad" epiphet is mainly just because of parallels to her father's fondness for burning people). Throughout the seasons I was a little confused about where the show was going to go with it, because it didn't seem like it would work if it wasn't building to something like this. It's normally clear in a TV show whether the audience is intended to agree with or sympathise with an act, even if you could think about it and disagree with it independently, normally you can tell whether the portrayal was meant to be sympathetic or not. And it really seemed to me that the show was building in these instances of Daenerys doing things that were clearly problematic or at least showed potential of building up to being problematic down the road (and here I'm not talking about the morality of events in universe, but how they are portrayed to the viewer). And there was usually some sort of conversation afterwards that reflected on it a bit, but to me it always felt quite inconclusive whether we were supposed to see it as maybe a mistake that she had learned from or - so I was confused about whether the show intended that those incidents were firmly behind her (as they didn't feel like it, but it could obviously have been a poor portrayal of that), or if they were indicative of something that could cause future conflicts.

The execution of the Tarlys was by far the most prominence example, I think your quick description has minimized the impact and significance of what happened and particularly how.

We're dealing with a fictional world here so obviously their standards and morals are not the same, but within the world of Westeros, executing someone by burning them alive is considered more heinous than other forms of execution. We saw Jon Snow execute someone by shooting specifically to spare him the suffering of being burned alive. The other burnings conducted by Melisandre and Stannis were similarly treated as more problematic than simple executions. So burning prisoners alive will be looked on differently than "cleaner" executions. And I'm not making the argument about the technical level of suffering caused by each of these executions in reality, only how these acts seem to be percieved in Westeros.

Also, while burning people alive doesn't seem to be looked on too fondly in general, in Daenerys' case it specifically links back to Aerys. Burning a high lord alive was what started the rebellion. And Aerys increase the frequency of his burnings as he got worse (culminating of course in "burn them all!", though that part is not widely known in Westeros). So her specifically returning to Westeros and then immediately burning people alive will set off alarms for many - and that's regardless of how justified the executions are. That's something she should have known, and the fact that she decided to burn a Lord and his heir despite the fact that she had every way of knowing the obvious problems that would pose should cause concerns. Because either she was somehow oblivious to it, or she was so keen to burn people that she proceeded with it despite the obvious problems.

So why did she want to burn them? I've seen comparison made to killing enemies that refuse to surrender, but it's important to note that wasn't the case here. Randyll and Dickon weren't still fighting so they had already surrendered. The choice that she offered them was to "bend the knee and join her" or die, which is not simply a matter of surrendering. Tarly obviously refused, but he was still her prisoner. There was no particular need to rush the decision of what to do with him - he could have easily have been taken and put in a dungeon or under guard somewhere. She didn't do it because "if putting people in chains becomes an option, many will take it." That statement is strong evidence of her all or nothing approach when it comes to loyalty, the "kneel or burn" attitude that I think is ultimately what will cause problems rather than outright cruelty. Her approach is to make an example of her most prominent prisoner by burning him and his heir alive to demonstrate to others that they face exactly the same choice - burn or kneel.

And there's the matter that it wasn't just Randyll, but Dickon too. Randyll disrespected her by making clear he was going to refuse to acknowledge her as queen. Dickon was simply someone who was present when his father was about to be burned and wanted to stand beside him. Daenerys justified her action with "I gave them a choice. They made it." But the "choice" put to Dickon was hardly a fair one and, importantly, she wasn't forced to present him with that choice or abide by what he said. As their captor it was easily within her power to simply restrain Dickon or have him taken away regardless of his protests. Or she could have taken them both as prisoner (remember, there was no rush to deal with them). Perhaps given an hour or two Randyll might be able to convince his son to bend the knee. Or perhaps Tyrion could convince Randyll to reconsider his "take the black" option as an honourable way out. So the fact that "it was their choice" holds little weight when Daenerys held all the power and could have done things differently - about as much weight as Aerys letting Rickard Stark have a trial by combat, then choosing "fire" as his champion.

That's a lot about a single instance, but I think what happened with the Tarlys was very significant and indicative of the potential problem. I agree that the extent that other characters suddenly increased their concerns about Daenerys in the last episode felt very rushed, but the concerns were there. And the early part of season 8 made clear that Jon's claim was going to be a problem for her, even if he didn't want the throne. That's why I said after episode 3 that I suspected the real reason Cersei still remained with 3 episodes to go wasn't because a battle to dethrone her was so significant, but so that there was a remaining obvious conflict after the Long Night rather than everything being all wrapped up, and the conflict between characters that fought together against the Others would come into the fore during that. I don't know if it will escalate to war, but the direction things are heading makes sense.

BOOM!!! great post..... :clap:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 02:11:05 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 02:06:31 PM
I think they meant to say "we forgot" :lol

I think that scene was meant to show them just flying around and having fun, being careless essentially and getting caught for it. I think that was pretty poor but I think that's what they were trying to show there. Before the first arrow hit, my immediate thought was "oh cool the Dragons have recovered and are having some fun now... oh shit nvmd" I don't think it really works in reality when you think about ti.... dragons over sea not seeing ships? but I think they just literally didn't think that deeply into it and went with the shock, and I do think the shock part worked. It's just when you think about it further, it makes little to no sense.

When re-watching I get bugged by the fact that they are literally there. Like, there was no reason to 'take a left' in the sky.....Dragonstone was right in front of them....go land and rest. For whatever reason the Dany and the dragons pass up Dragonstone....hook a left in the sky and then get shot down. Honestly, I've been just fine with this entire season outside of this scene. It's the one that bugs me the most.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2019, 02:16:03 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 02:04:51 PM
That's a lot about a single instance, but I think what happened with the Tarlys was very significant and indicative of the potential problem. I agree that the extent that other characters suddenly increased their concerns about Daenerys in the last episode felt very rushed, but the concerns were there. And the early part of season 8 made clear that Jon's claim was going to be a problem for her, even if he didn't want the throne.

Yea, the whole burning of the Tarlys (and it was brought up again early this season) was a huge swing moment for her going down the path of the mad king. I think the only reason why things seemed a bit rushed with that last episode is because the revaltion about Jon got spread. That makes her claim invalid and it gives more reason for people to go against her and hence her going further down the mad king rabbit hole. I don't have any issues with this story telling at all. Also, I think its still very much possible she does not go Mad King and this is just drama for us to chew on and question as it's been there all along but now it's reaching the boiling point. To me, this is one area where the show is getting things right so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 02:17:05 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 09, 2019, 12:50:29 PM
What I expected was some corners to be cut. What I did not expect was sloppiness and careless explanations for the Dany-Rhaegal-Euron scene such as, "she forgot."
This and some other quotes from "Inside the Episode" often get floated as being flaws of the season, I think it's important to point out that that is not actually a part of the show. It's clear in the episode that the characters did not literally forget about the Iron Fleet, they mentioned it I think twice in the war table scene in Winterfell. The logistics of the ambush scene may be poor but including things that are external to the show as part of your criticism of a scene or episode seems as sloppy as.... as sloppy as D&D's writing, amirite? She for whavever reason wasn't expecting them to attack at that exact place and moment and somehow didn't see them before they fired at Rhaegal - there are problems enough with that, but there's nothing in the episode that tries to portray that she or anyone else literally forgot about the Iron Fleet.

But they wrote the episode, and literally said afterwards that Dany forgot about it. Which is it, and which do you take as gospel when they're both from the writers, who are also the showrunners?

Again, she was looking directly in the direction the bolts were coming from when they hit Rhaegal. HOW did she not see the ships prior to that? Euron isn't firing curveballs from behind mountains here.
Well, I take "as gospel" what was actually shown in the episode when it comes to determining or criticising what happened in the episode. The characters mentioned the Iron Fleet twice during the war table so it was clear that they had not literally forgotten about it.

There is the concept of the death of the author, which is that once a work is out there then the author's intentions don't have to be accepted if they aren't apparent in the work. But I definitely don't think you need to go that far here. The statement "she may have forgotten about them but they hadn't forgotten about her" conveys the different level of focus and attention that the two sides were paying to each other. When it comes to a question of - do I choose to interpret a brief comment from one of the writers extremely literally and accept that the intended interpretation is that Daenerys literally forgot about something which was mentioned earlier, or do I choose to make my best interpretation of the episode as it stands (Daenerys didn't literally forget about the fleet, but was surprised by the ambush - regardless of logistical flaws in the portrayal of the ambush) and think that the writer's comment was somewhat exaggerated, figurative or even just wrong? Then yes, I stick with what was actually in the show rather than putting a lot of stock in a very literal and narrow interpretation of a short comment from the writer.

I mention that the "Inside the Episode" segments are not actually part of the show because I've seen a few cases of people conflating things that come from that with what was actually in the show, and to be honest most times I've seen that happen people seem to be putting an awful lot of significance in a single comment or sentence than I think are actually merited. They normally just seem to be explaining the very basic function of each scene at a surface level - what emotion or information it was supposed to convey. People sometimes seem to extrapolate that into very sweeping arguments about the show that I don't think track very well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 09, 2019, 02:19:41 PM: It still doesn't make sense to me because if she was actually aware of them, then she shouldn't do joyriding two dragons over waters teeming with Greyjoy-Lannister-Golden Company forces. Dragonstone isn't that far from Blackwater Bay and there's only one large island between the two. I dunno, man - none of it really sticks together well to me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 09, 2019, 02:30:41 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 12:42:42 PM
- She reacts to a defeat in war by inflicting a defeat at the Lannister forces, offers a choice to Tarly sr. and son, and when they refuse, she execute them. Yes, harsh and unnecessary. Bad mistake on her part. But not done out of cruelty.
I'm of the position that Daenerys has always (or at least since her arrival in Meereen) had instances that suggest a "mad queen" potential (here referring to tyrannical, merciless and being too quick or fond of burning people, rather than literally being insane - the "mad" epiphet is mainly just because of parallels to her father's fondness for burning people). Throughout the seasons I was a little confused about where the show was going to go with it, because it didn't seem like it would work if it wasn't building to something like this. It's normally clear in a TV show whether the audience is intended to agree with or sympathise with an act, even if you could think about it and disagree with it independently, normally you can tell whether the portrayal was meant to be sympathetic or not. And it really seemed to me that the show was building in these instances of Daenerys doing things that were clearly problematic or at least showed potential of building up to being problematic down the road (and here I'm not talking about the morality of events in universe, but how they are portrayed to the viewer). And there was usually some sort of conversation afterwards that reflected on it a bit, but to me it always felt quite inconclusive whether we were supposed to see it as maybe a mistake that she had learned from or - so I was confused about whether the show intended that those incidents were firmly behind her (as they didn't feel like it, but it could obviously have been a poor portrayal of that), or if they were indicative of something that could cause future conflicts.

The execution of the Tarlys was by far the most prominence example, I think your quick description has minimized the impact and significance of what happened and particularly how.

We're dealing with a fictional world here so obviously their standards and morals are not the same, but within the world of Westeros, executing someone by burning them alive is considered more heinous than other forms of execution. We saw Jon Snow execute someone by shooting specifically to spare him the suffering of being burned alive. The other burnings conducted by Melisandre and Stannis were similarly treated as more problematic than simple executions. So burning prisoners alive will be looked on differently than "cleaner" executions. And I'm not making the argument about the technical level of suffering caused by each of these executions in reality, only how these acts seem to be percieved in Westeros.

Also, while burning people alive doesn't seem to be looked on too fondly in general, in Daenerys' case it specifically links back to Aerys. Burning a high lord alive was what started the rebellion. And Aerys increase the frequency of his burnings as he got worse (culminating of course in "burn them all!", though that part is not widely known in Westeros). So her specifically returning to Westeros and then immediately burning people alive will set off alarms for many - and that's regardless of how justified the executions are. That's something she should have known, and the fact that she decided to burn a Lord and his heir despite the fact that she had every way of knowing the obvious problems that would pose should cause concerns. Because either she was somehow oblivious to it, or she was so keen to burn people that she proceeded with it despite the obvious problems.

So why did she want to burn them? I've seen comparison made to killing enemies that refuse to surrender, but it's important to note that wasn't the case here. Randyll and Dickon weren't still fighting so they had already surrendered. The choice that she offered them was to "bend the knee and join her" or die, which is not simply a matter of surrendering. Tarly obviously refused, but he was still her prisoner. There was no particular need to rush the decision of what to do with him - he could have easily have been taken and put in a dungeon or under guard somewhere. She didn't do it because "if putting people in chains becomes an option, many will take it." That statement is strong evidence of her all or nothing approach when it comes to loyalty, the "kneel or burn" attitude that I think is ultimately what will cause problems rather than outright cruelty. Her approach is to make an example of her most prominent prisoner by burning him and his heir alive to demonstrate to others that they face exactly the same choice - burn or kneel.

And there's the matter that it wasn't just Randyll, but Dickon too. Randyll disrespected her by making clear he was going to refuse to acknowledge her as queen. Dickon was simply someone who was present when his father was about to be burned and wanted to stand beside him. Daenerys justified her action with "I gave them a choice. They made it." But the "choice" put to Dickon was hardly a fair one and, importantly, she wasn't forced to present him with that choice or abide by what he said. As their captor it was easily within her power to simply restrain Dickon or have him taken away regardless of his protests. Or she could have taken them both as prisoner (remember, there was no rush to deal with them). Perhaps given an hour or two Randyll might be able to convince his son to bend the knee. Or perhaps Tyrion could convince Randyll to reconsider his "take the black" option as an honourable way out. So the fact that "it was their choice" holds little weight when Daenerys held all the power and could have done things differently - about as much weight as Aerys letting Rickard Stark have a trial by combat, then choosing "fire" as his champion.

That's a lot about a single instance, but I think what happened with the Tarlys was very significant and indicative of the potential problem. I agree that the extent that other characters suddenly increased their concerns about Daenerys in the last episode felt very rushed, but the concerns were there. And the early part of season 8 made clear that Jon's claim was going to be a problem for her, even if he didn't want the throne. That's why I said after episode 3 that I suspected the real reason Cersei still remained with 3 episodes to go wasn't because a battle to dethrone her was so significant, but so that there was a remaining obvious conflict after the Long Night rather than everything being all wrapped up, and the conflict between characters that fought together against the Others would come into the fore during that. I don't know if it will escalate to war, but the direction things are heading makes sense.

BOOM!!! great post..... :clap:
Indeed, excellent post RuRoRul. Her execution of the Tarlys simply for not bending the knee last season was a big turning point for me and the point at which it became clear that the show was going in this direction with her story arc. Agree with everything you've said about that defining moment.

Also spot on about how they've been setting it up for much longer than that. As I said earlier in the thread, I think it's one of the few story arcs they've done consistently well even (mostly) now. We the viewers sympathise hugely with Dany in the first couple of seasons as she is mis-treated but comes through it stronger and develops a power and a purpose of her own. We root for her as she determines to end slavery and use her power to make things better for people. Because of that, even if we don't agree with it we accept the way she executes the slavers and tightens her rule in the east because of the moral justification she gives and the journey we've been on with her. But season by season she becomes more brutal with her approach, more set on power and more willing to let innocents suffer in pursuit of that power (although she is able to be talked out of it by Tyrion, Varys and others). I and many others clearly saw the Tarlys execution as the watershed moment. Evidently others didn't and are still rooting for her. But it's been a continuous story arc and the natural culmination of it is for her to snap.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 09, 2019, 02:59:43 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 12:42:42 PM
Again, not presenting these as facts, just the way I see it. I'm more than open to change my mind and being brought aboard the "Come on, the signs of Dany snapping were many and plenty and evident", that way I won't be too sad at seeing one of my favorite characters losing it all :D
The pacing just fucks it up for me, when I see how they handled everything else. After the "OMG, IS SHE GOING INSANE" episode cliffhanger, they can go one of two ways and you're bored with both. You know they're either gonna play it straight - after a whole ep of her advisors going IS SHE CRAZY before she even does something weird, she will go crazy - or D and D are gonna sit in the post episode credits and say "haha, gotcha! we made the whole world scream that Dany might go crazy to fool you, the viewer!" and there's gonna be no in show consequences whatsoever.

You gotta think about what the hell Tyrion and Varys have been planning this whole time. So far, signs of craziness in her have included her saying "hm I should use my dragons maybe" and then listening to them when they say she shouldn't. That's been going on since they met. After the first time, I would have thought "hm, what if she doesn't listen next time?" What would have happened if Jon wasn't revealed? They clearly don't like the idea of an overpowered ruler upholding a sort of a Pax Targaryen by having three dragons she can threaten unruly vassals with (which worked fine for Targaryens until like Dany's dad) - so why was that the option they were backing? Is it just the showrunners making them seem shortsighted again? Should I invent fanfic in my head that says Varys knew about Jon and just wanted to back someone who could take Cersei down? In the books Varys backs (book-only character) so... who can say.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 03:32:01 PM: Indeed, great post RuRoRul! I didn't really mean to downplay Dany's screwup, it was just a point in the "list of things that point out to her snapping".

Also we had a scene with Tyrion and Varys discussing that, and Varys basically said "Listen, she screwed up this one. You're here to prevent her from screwing up again". Tyrion himself said to Cersei that Dany chose an advisor who check her worst impluses rather than feeding them.

Dany burning the Tarlys would have been a great moment for Varys to bring up exactly what you said so well - "What if this her modus operandi from now on? how people of Westeros will react to the daughter of the Mad King burning her enemies?", but unless I'm wrong, the conversation was just "Dude, don't let her screw up again, that's your job". Then Varys throws her under the bus the moment she wants to attack King's Landing but listens to their advice anyway?

Also, the irony: Jon wanted to oust the Boltons because there had to be a united North to prepare for the White Walkers. If Dany went to the Red Keep, tore it open with three dragons, installed herself as new Queen and rallied the entire Westeros to the threat of the White Walkers, she'd have united the whole Seven Kingdoms - and the preparations would have went so well because the Night King would be on the other side of the Wall thinking "how the hell am I going to get through this" 'cause he wouldn't have had a dragon.

Ah, indisight is 20-20 I guess.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 09, 2019, 03:58:30 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 09, 2019, 03:32:01 PM
Also, the irony: Jon wanted to oust the Boltons because there had to be a united North to prepare for the White Walkers. If Dany went to the Red Keep, tore it open with three dragons, installed herself as new Queen and rallied the entire Westeros to the threat of the White Walkers, she'd have united the whole Seven Kingdoms - and the preparations would have went so well because the Night King would be on the other side of the Wall thinking "how the hell am I going to get through this" 'cause he wouldn't have had a dragon.
Something like that could have been very narratively compelling. We viewers would be torn between our dislike of her approach and our support for the outcome she was trying to get from it. Sadly that's not what's happening. Even *if* there is a twist in the mysticism side of the show still to come, as far as Dany is concerned the threat is over and her battle now is only about her power and nothing else.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lordxizor on May 09, 2019, 04:14:18 PM: I remember reading many years ago that GRRM had given the show runners the fate of all of the characters as he planned it for the ending of the books. I'm curious how many plot points he provided them and how much input he's having on the plot at this point.

I think one of the huge reasons that show has accelerated post-book adaptation, is that GRRM isn't there to write in unnecessary side plots and characters. Looking back at the books and early TV seasons, there are characters that we follow for a while that don't end up being important at all, side plots that amount to nothing in the grand scope of the overarching plot, and tons of filler really. That doesn't mean they weren't entertaining and fun to read/watch, but they've obviously focused on the central plot for the last two seasons. And as that central plot narrowed in focus to two and now one location, the show is definitely going to feel like it's going faster. Despite that, I agree that another couple of episodes to slow things down a bit would be welcome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 09, 2019, 05:28:28 PM: In regards to Dany and characters behaving differently, sometimes it is hard to exactly pinpoint what feels wrong, people are complex and tiny nuances can make all the difference for being believable or not. This season feels very off to me and many in that regard, regardless of there being some signs/elements of the past that could explain some of the characters behavior. But some good points are made above this post.

At this point, it feels more logical for me for Dany to go all crazy, otherwise the previous episodes won't feel like a natural progression. Unless something major happens where Dany reconsiders her position and how she has been behaving.

Furthermore, in terms of pacing, the first two episodes of this season were slow as fuck. Two hours for build up. Sure, there is a lot of history to cover, but that is a full length film.

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What I expected was some corners to be cut. What I did not expect was sloppiness and careless explanations for the Dany-Rhaegal-Euron scene such as, "she forgot."
This and some other quotes from "Inside the Episode" often get floated as being flaws of the season, I think it's important to point out that that is not actually a part of the show. It's clear in the episode that the characters did not literally forget about the Iron Fleet, they mentioned it I think twice in the war table scene in Winterfell. The logistics of the ambush scene may be poor but including things that are external to the show as part of your criticism of a scene or episode seems as sloppy as.... as sloppy as D&D's writing, amirite? She for whavever reason wasn't expecting them to attack at that exact place and moment and somehow didn't see them before they fired at Rhaegal - there are problems enough with that, but there's nothing in the episode that tries to portray that she or anyone else literally forgot about the Iron Fleet.

But they wrote the episode, and literally said afterwards that Dany forgot about it. Which is it, and which do you take as gospel when they're both from the writers, who are also the showrunners?

Again, she was looking directly in the direction the bolts were coming from when they hit Rhaegal. HOW did she not see the ships prior to that? Euron isn't firing curveballs from behind mountains here.

I think in many instances the longtime fanbase is thinking more about explaining the plot and the how/why than the writers themselves. I am sure they have a tough job and as showrunners do a lot of different things. But this season thus far reeks like hollywood blockbuster writing where they think of what situations/setpieces they want and write the characters towards it. This in combination with a fast pacing does often not lead to great results, in my opinion.

These "behind the series" pieces kind of sound like poor thought out excuses for rushed/illogical plot points. I have seen writers make some great points or give logical insight to why certain controversial scenes ended up the way they did, but these Game of Thrones post-ep explainations ain't it for me personally. They kind of worsen it, because the fans are doing a better job.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 05:40:02 PM: As far as Dany goes. It's not about the destination as much as the path to get there.

If you're at the top of a hill and want to walk down, cool. If you trip and fall down the hill, not as cool. Same destination, very different ways of getting there.

Right now, Dany is falling down the hill when she should be walking.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 09, 2019, 06:52:55 PM: If Dany didn't lose the dragon to the nightking, then would they have even been a threat? If so, how much of a threat? Could they have gotten past the wall without the dragon fire?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 09, 2019, 07:53:50 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 09, 2019, 02:04:51 PM

I'm of the position that Daenerys has always (or at least since her arrival in Meereen) had instances that suggest a "mad queen" potential...

Only quoted this part, for the sake of not having a big ass quote again in this thread, but great overall post. Whether it being burning that witch alive in S1, locking Xaro and Doreah in a sealed vault to slowly suffocate to death, burning Kraznys alive, or killing the Tarlys, Danny has always had that vindictive "I will kill anyone who has done me wrong" side, and from a storytelling perspective, that is a big part of the charm of her character. You don't survive in the Game of Thrones world being a totally peaceful leader who never unleashes the fury on your enemies. It's just the way it is in that world.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2019, 01:11:38 AM: Now that I think of it, no one really asked Dany how in the frozen blue frack the Night King got a dragon. Maybe if Dany would have been the one that needed convincing, rather than Cersei, she could have been the one to bring Jon and company to Eastwatch, and be like "Ok, bring me a wight, I'll wait here on the other side of the wall".

This way you have:
- Gendry being more believable having to run just to Eastwatch to warn Dany herself
- Dany being able to come in at the last minute without having to fly all over a continent
- Dany losing a dragon because SHE didn't want to fully believe Jon. She already was of the mindset of "No way I'm gonna leave Cersei be to fight some icy zombies or whatever fairytales you grew up with", it could have been a hard lesson for her - she concentrated on the game of thrones rather than focusing on the "only war that matters", and it cost her a dragon.
- Sansa would have a more legitimate reason to be pissed at her, "Ok, you came here to help and all, but it's your arrogance in not believing Jon that got the White Walkers through the Wall in the first place".

This of course does not solve the problem of Cersei promising help and then witholding it, but there could have some some workarounds for that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 10, 2019, 04:37:30 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 09, 2019, 06:52:55 PM
If Dany didn't lose the dragon to the nightking, then would they have even been a threat? If so, how much of a threat? Could they have gotten past the wall without the dragon fire?
It's hard to say, but it's almost certain in the books the Wall is coming down and Dany is losing a dragon, because GRRM has established two magical items that may or may not have powers to do these things. The Wall-related one might be in the hands of our main characters (so it's possible that the Wall is coming down thanks to their mistake), and the dragon related one is in the hands of a villain, who might use it to bring down the Wall like we've seen in the show. So maybe GRRM told the showrunners he hasn't decided what's happening yet and which item is actually the right one, so they decided to combine them - the main characters' fault, the Dragon brings down the Wall. Which is fine, but the way they combined them kinda makes the main characters look clumsy and naive.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 06:02:33 AM: As much as we complain about this season... I still find myself excited as hell every Friday knowing that there's only 2 more days until another episode. According to Tyrion Jon is 2 weeks away from King's Landing so by the time he arrives that much time has passed. I guess Dany's just gonna chill in Dragonstone for 2 weeks...?

Also read that security was tight as hell on episode 6's production/shooting so there's a good chance all those leaks being mentioned are fake. I'm hoping the real ending is still under wraps and that nobody leaked it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 10, 2019, 07:25:50 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 10, 2019, 06:02:33 AM
I'm hoping the real ending is still under wraps and that nobody leaked it.
Same, man. I also hope that GRRM will come out and say, "well, now that we've all taken the time to see the show's ending, I can confidently say that there will be differences more significant than I thought! Keep reading!"... even if it isn't true. I'd rather have the story unfinished than know I've already seen the main characters' destinations with an unsatisfying journey. I know I'm being a downer on this thread but honestly I expected this season to be at least a 6/10, so it could be at least mildly satisfying to see how all the chess pieces line up, even if all my faves end up dead or worse. This is like a 3/10 so far for me :'( I don't even feel fanserviced because so far they serviced the fans of dragons, Cersei and Arya and that's not really me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2019, 08:29:54 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 10, 2019, 07:25:50 AM
This is like a 3/10 so far for me :'(

Oh man, really? Bummer. Even with the minor gripes I have with the season I'm still enjoying the heck out of it....i'm at a 7.5/10. I'd imagine that when the season is over and I can binge it all again continuously that may even jump to an 8 or 8.5.

Not that there haven't been flaws....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 08:40:17 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 10, 2019, 07:25:50 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 10, 2019, 06:02:33 AM
I'm hoping the real ending is still under wraps and that nobody leaked it.
Same, man. I also hope that GRRM will come out and say, "well, now that we've all taken the time to see the show's ending, I can confidently say that there will be differences more significant than I thought! Keep reading!"... even if it isn't true. I'd rather have the story unfinished than know I've already seen the main characters' destinations with an unsatisfying journey. I know I'm being a downer on this thread but honestly I expected this season to be at least a 6/10, so it could be at least mildly satisfying to see how all the chess pieces line up, even if all my faves end up dead or worse. This is like a 3/10 so far for me :'( I don't even feel fanserviced because so far they serviced the fans of dragons, Cersei and Arya and that's not really me.

I feel the same, for me they are shitting the bed massively thus far.

I really, really hope GRR Martin gets to finish the books or at least leaves enough material/guidelines for a competent writer to finish it up.

I know GRR gave the series' writers guidelines, but seeing him promote other shows and stating he "doesn't have time to watch Game of Thrones" and not promote the climax to the series based on his own work says enough for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 10, 2019, 08:57:45 AM: If there's one silver lining to the show slipping in quality, its what just got me reading the books, which I am having a blast with. So at least theres that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 10, 2019, 09:16:45 AM: Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 08:40:17 AM

I really, really hope GRR Martin gets to finish the books or at least leaves enough material/guidelines for a competent writer to finish it up.

I know GRR gave the series' writers guidelines, but seeing him promote other shows and stating he "doesn't have time to watch Game of Thrones" and not promote the climax to the series based on his own work says enough for me.

To anyone who thinks the show has gone way downhill, Martin should get 100% of the blame, for not finishing the books before now and giving them the material to work with to finish the story in the best way possible.

While I agree that the show isn't as great as it was in the early seasons, it is still really good and I am enjoying it like crazy. Sure, there are flaws, but I feel that many are picking nits just because the story isn't going how they wanted it to.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 09:20:58 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 10, 2019, 09:16:45 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 08:40:17 AM

I really, really hope GRR Martin gets to finish the books or at least leaves enough material/guidelines for a competent writer to finish it up.

I know GRR gave the series' writers guidelines, but seeing him promote other shows and stating he "doesn't have time to watch Game of Thrones" and not promote the climax to the series based on his own work says enough for me.

To anyone who thinks the show has gone way downhill, Martin should get 100% of the blame, for not finishing the books before now and giving them the material to work with to finish the story in the best way possible.

While I agree that the show isn't as great as it was in the early seasons, it is still really good and I am enjoying it like crazy. Sure, there are flaws, but I feel that many are picking nits just because the story isn't going how they wanted it to.

Martin should absolutely not get 100% of the blame. No way. Yes, they agreed to do the show under the assumption Martin would have the last 2 books out before they reached that point in the show, but the writing of the last few episodes and the decision to rush the seasons is NOT Martin's fault at all, that's entirely on D&D and the other writers. I'm still enjoying it but I fiercely believe Martin does not deserve the majority of blame for where the show has gone in the last couple seasons.

Speaking of Martin, he said one character has gotten WAY too much screen time in the last couple seasons. I wonder who he's talking about. Could be Tyrion, Varys, maybe even Arya.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2019, 09:28:32 AM: I don't think George Martin is to blame for the quality of the show - the saga wasn't finished yet when they started adapting it. They had to have a contingency plan. "Oh, but I will eventually finish The Winds of Winter"... how could they be sure? what if he delayed it? what if he got ran over by a car?

Also, even though I didn't read the books, I've read enough about the books to know that A Feast for Crows and A Dance of Dragons weren't even properly adapted yet, with many characters being dropped and storylines altered. So when they had the books they changed things up anyway.

For me my thoughts on the show are more or less these:

Season 1 - 4: excellent.
Season 5: Weaker but still in line with the previous work, with the gigantic peak of Hardhome, and a major screwup with Dorne.
Season 6: Return to form.
Season 7: Felt a bit weird knowing it was shorter, but it was good. Pivotal moment (Dany loses the dragon to the Night King) ruined by many Hollywood cliches.
Season 8: As with Beyond the Wall, major attention to shocking, retweetable moments at the severe expense of the plot and the plausibility. Actual quotes from people involved: "Arya essentially jumps out of nowhere" and "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet".

We'll see how it goes in the final two episodes.

It's a pity the writing took a bit of questionable detours and shortcuts because the rest is excellent as always: the music, the settings, the cast, everything is top notch as it can possibly be. It's the story that delivered poorly what evidently were bullet points on a list, without the proper job to lead there being done.

I hope the battle will be exciting next episode; I'd love for something unepected and clever, like, dunno, Dany taking Greyworm aside and thinking with him a battle plan, in a "Screw the others, I'm pissed, you're pissed, let's avenge Missandei and get King's Landing once and for all" mindset.

I hope we don't see the Second Sons of Dario making a surprise arrival at the very possible last second before a defeat.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2019, 09:31:50 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 10, 2019, 09:20:58 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 10, 2019, 09:16:45 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 08:40:17 AM

I really, really hope GRR Martin gets to finish the books or at least leaves enough material/guidelines for a competent writer to finish it up.

I know GRR gave the series' writers guidelines, but seeing him promote other shows and stating he "doesn't have time to watch Game of Thrones" and not promote the climax to the series based on his own work says enough for me.

To anyone who thinks the show has gone way downhill, Martin should get 100% of the blame, for not finishing the books before now and giving them the material to work with to finish the story in the best way possible.

While I agree that the show isn't as great as it was in the early seasons, it is still really good and I am enjoying it like crazy. Sure, there are flaws, but I feel that many are picking nits just because the story isn't going how they wanted it to.

Martin should absolutely not get 100% of the blame. No way. Yes, they agreed to do the show under the assumption Martin would have the last 2 books out before they reached that point in the show, but the writing of the last few episodes and the decision to rush the seasons is NOT Martin's fault at all, that's entirely on D&D and the other writers. I'm still enjoying it but I fiercely believe Martin does not deserve the majority of blame for where the show has gone in the last couple seasons.

Speaking of Martin, he said one character has gotten WAY too much screen time in the last couple seasons. I wonder who he's talking about. Could be Tyrion, Varys, maybe even Arya.

I would t say ‘100%’ .....but he shares the blame with D&D. I would think that he still has say in what makes it to the screen so he may not be completely responsible for what we’re seeing but he’s certainly culpable as well. To Kev’s point.....dude has had plenty of time to finish his books. IMO he’s been waiting to see the reactions to adjust his books accordingly.

When the shows over he can say....”Hey, loved the show and all but ‘my true’ telling of the story has significant differences....you have to read it to find out.

I say all of this to only again reiterate I’ve enjoyed this final season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 10, 2019, 09:38:46 AM: Imagine if he has finished them in secret and announces them the Monday following the finale as a huge publicity stunt :lol

I've read that he's told HBO about main plot points he intended on incorporating into the future books that he wanted HBO to include... Hodor's death for example.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 09:39:54 AM: Oh, I totally agree, if he had finished Winds of Winter years ago like he planned the show could've steered back on course, even without ADOS. On the other hand the books are the definitive story and I don't (entirely) blame him for wanting to take his time or even wanting to wait for the show to finish bastardizing some of the plot threads to get focus back onto his books. It's kind of a mess all around.

I'm hoping WoW has been finished for a while and that an announcement will accompany the end of the series. I've decided to start reading the books once the show is over, though. I can't wait any longer, and I also want to read the books telling the history of the world and the Targaryens and all that good stuff.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2019, 09:43:02 AM: I will never read the books unless they're finished. I will not invest that much time into reading a story that I already know (especially the first three books which were faithful adaptations) if I don't know it will have a conclusion.

Also, while I watch all shows in original language, I've always and only read books in my language (italian), and the translations are a bit meh from skipping through pages at book stores, so after years of knowing the story with the actual names, I won't change to the italian names. I guess I could read the books in english, I'm skilled enough with the language for it, but... dunno, it's just an habit, I've always read book in italian and I'm afraid that if I start now to switch to english, I'll want to re-read all the books I ever read in their original language also :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 09:46:08 AM: What are some of the names in Italian? They don't just call it the Italian version of King's Landing or Winterfell? Or is that what you mean, you know them as [insert English name here] and don't want to get used to the Italian equivalent?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2019, 09:48:19 AM: If the books were to end, I'd probably read it all again. They are that good, but I have no hope for the books to be finished and just don't see myself picking up the books again. I've lost faith in GRRM.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 10, 2019, 09:50:14 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 10, 2019, 09:16:45 AM
While I agree that the show isn't as great as it was in the early seasons, it is still really good and I am enjoying it like crazy. Sure, there are flaws, but I feel that many are picking nits just because the story isn't going how they wanted it to.

Maybe some, but I also think that's a convenient way to dismiss complaints you don't agree with.

I have no idea how this show should go. I didn't want it go any specific way. I'm just calling out what I see as lazy bad writing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2019, 09:52:50 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 10, 2019, 09:46:08 AM
What are some of the names in Italian? They don't just call it the Italian version of King's Landing or Winterfell? Or is that what you mean, you know them as [insert English name here] and don't want to get used to the Italian equivalent?

Quote from: Kattelox on May 10, 2019, 09:46:08 AM
What are some of the names in Italian? They don't just call it the Italian version of King's Landing or Winterfell? Or is that what you mean, you know them as [insert English name here] and don't want to get used to the Italian equivalent?

A bit of both. King's Landing is Approdo del Re, which is literally King's Landing translated. But for example Kingslayer became a very odd choice, Sterminatore di Re - translated back is "Exterminator of kings". Which seems overkill for someone who killed A king. There is a word for Kingslayer, which is Regicida, which isn't even bad, dunno why they went for "Exterminator of kings". Jaimie Lannister, the exterminator of kings, feels tiring even pronuncing it.

It's also a bit of the language barrier that makes foreign names sound cooler than they are - I know that King's Landing literally means "the place where the king has landed", but in my own language the simplicity of it is more striking.

I'm sure to you all foreign people some italian words would sound cool and intriguing while they'd be very mundane to me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 09:57:55 AM: Not gonna lie... I do love a lot of the Italian in Rhapsody songs :metardica:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 10, 2019, 10:20:24 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2019, 08:29:54 AM
Oh man, really? Bummer.
Ironically, I think what did me in were my tempered expectations. I didn't expect it to be as good as the books, or the seasons 1-4, I expected it to be as good as seasons 5-7: some missed opportunities and plots that go nowhere, but overall getting you to the things you wanna see. Good battles, at least. Good convos between characters, some of the time.

I don't really think in terms of "arcs" and "payoff" in terms of Game of Thrones because I read the books and there are plenty of arcs that crash and burn, and asking for something to pay off is asking for trouble :lol I also had no expectations in terms of my fave characters getting good endings, and even though I hoped the show would resolve a few magical mysteries, at least that hope was killed in one fell swoop in episode 3. Thanks Arya, you gave my hopes the gift of death.

What I didn't expect to see was this:

1) Obliviousness. They level up and level down characters as it suits them. Bran is all-seeing and they don't even bother trying to show us someone trying to get something out of him and failing, instead they just hope the audience will forget that the source of all information is in the room and that he was targeted because he is the source of all information. They do nothing with their powerful assassin. They find a line a few years back where Melisandre says Arya will end blue eyes and pretend it was a clever bit of foreshadowing when actually that's not even how the line goes (blue eyes is in the middle). They mention the Iron Fleet, a few minutes later Dany just forgets about it. Who knows what will happen in the next few episodes that will negate something that happened in the last episode, that's just how we roll right now.

2) The death of the world. Fans of the Game of Thrones-part of the story will often say how their favorite part of the story is intrigues and all the players. Where are the players? Not only are the peasants gone (they only appear as Cersei's meat shield, but if their opinion mattered one bit, they would have revolted when she blew up the Sept), so are all the minor lords! All scenes are main cast + faceless soldiers. They literally put a joke in, wondering who the current lord of Storm's End is. They literally tell us Dorne has a new prince now (who???) and he will back Dany (what???). Not only are there seemingly only two or three places in the entire universe, they couldn't even be bothered to film King's Landing at the iconic location of King's Landing. It doesn't even look like the real thing.

3) Surprise, we got you!!! over and over. Honestly, I've come around on Dany's character journey, even though I hoped for all other endings for her, but you just know they only made the palpable threat of her turning mad two episodes before the end because she has a fanbase and they want to keep them watching even if they actually set up her villain-ness. And in the end if she pulls herself off the ledge, it's another SURPRISE, WE SUBVERTED YOUR EXPECTATIONS moment. Emilia almost killed herself working her ass off for this show, and her character gets to be a plot device. Nice.

I don't need to be surprised by characters' decisions or their abilities. I need to be surprised by seeing how these abilities and decisions interact in the space of the show.

3) The supposedly most epic battle of all time is worse than every other battle ever portrayed on GoT. Not just because you can't see, but because it doesn't make sense. We see Dothraki lights go out, next episode conveniently exactly half of them remained. In the previous battles we could see Jon struggling not to get suffocated by bodies, this battle, he gets into 873502 life or death situations with living enemies, magic cut, and suddenly he's still standing. And he's not the only one. No consequences, no logic.

What I expected, but still disappointed me:
1) Sexism. I hate how everyone is saying they tried really hard to suck up to feminists by making Jon useless and Arya gets the kill, because things are happening here that make me scratch my head. George is to blame for this one, by putting all the Nissa Nissa stuff in these books, so now everyone has a hard on for male lovers sacrificing loved ones, but seriously, now we have two Mad Queens and everyone is looking at Jaime and Jon to placate or kill them or otherwise throw them off their game? Missandei gets literally fridged to make Dany angry? At least Sansa going catty at the sight of another strong female character who has power and demands is in character, and funny., even though it's not very feminist. Missandei being the story's meat isn't.

2) They didn't use all the things that were laid out for them. Loads of things that George wrote and the fans theorized aren't cinematic at all, but some of them are. They needed a late game terrifying human villain and I was sure (and the actor was sure, hyping his role as "Ramsay Bolton on steroids") Euron was gonna be the one. Nope, Cersei is just super smart now and somehow still on the throne. He's a silly pirate and, I guess, an excellent marksman. When they introduced the idea that you have to kill the Night King to make the rest of The Others go away, I thought for sure they were setting up a final duel via the Old Way. (https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/biejvj/spoilers_extended_end_of_jons_song_killing_of_a/) When they established NK was interested in getting a kill himself, I thought for sure that would happen. Nope, surprise Arya. Hell, have Jon or anyone else from the North duel him and lose and then have Arya collect the kill, highlighting the supremacy of the new way of fighting to the Old Way. Nope.

Could go on and on. Man, I'm so down. At least the acting and the music are on point.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 11:22:56 AM: I don't know about sexism, that's a huge topic on its own right there, but otherwise I think that is a fantastic post, most of which I agree with. Good stuff. What does it mean to 'fridge' someone?
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2019, 12:17:37 PM: Since Mora talked about Cersei being smart now, I assume that maybe George Martin referred to her character overstaying her welcome.

In the show Cersei is dumb, petty and vindicative, Tywin said it brilliantly: "It's not that I don't trust you because you are a woman, I don't trust you because you are not as smart as you think you are". It is my understanding that in the book Cersei is even worse, even dumber and even drunker, and probably George Martin doesn't see her coming out on top and never missing a beat. I believe that the fantastic job made by Lena Headey made impossible for the producers to get rid of her character and they felt they kinda had to stick with her until the end and make her the "final boss".
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Post by: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 12:45:19 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 10, 2019, 09:16:45 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 08:40:17 AM

I really, really hope GRR Martin gets to finish the books or at least leaves enough material/guidelines for a competent writer to finish it up.

I know GRR gave the series' writers guidelines, but seeing him promote other shows and stating he "doesn't have time to watch Game of Thrones" and not promote the climax to the series based on his own work says enough for me.

To anyone who thinks the show has gone way downhill, Martin should get 100% of the blame, for not finishing the books before now and giving them the material to work with to finish the story in the best way possible.

While I agree that the show isn't as great as it was in the early seasons, it is still really good and I am enjoying it like crazy. Sure, there are flaws, but I feel that many are picking nits just because the story isn't going how they wanted it to.

I disagree that this is on GRR Martin. Sure, there was a noticable shift when the writers of the series ran out of book material, but they did a commendable job. It being different is not inherently worse. He gave them some guidelines and from there on the quality is the responsibility of those who are making it. And in my opinion it is severely dipping in quality now.

Sure, season 5-7 had some lesser moments, but I consider them good, with all those seasons having some of the best moments in the series. The ending of season 7 (beyond the wall especially) and season 8 is where my problems lie and I am far from a book purist.

I don't care that this is a tv-series. There are hundreds of okayish blockbusters with nice action setpieces to watch if that is what I am searching for. And those have less downtime. And those moments have been the highlights this season, save for a couple of great scenes like the knighting of Brienne.

That said, I am glad some are enjoying this.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2019, 12:55:49 PM: Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
That said, I am glad some are enjoying this.

Totally and even with my own negativity about this season, I still very much enjoy it and am super excited to watch this next episode. The show will likely go down as maybe my all time favorite regardless of how this season plays out. One "rushed" season doesn't ruin all the awesomeness from the past seasons nor does the rushness make me automatically dislike the show, I just have my issues with it while still loving it.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 10, 2019, 01:16:54 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 10, 2019, 11:22:56 AM
What does it mean to 'fridge' someone?
Fridging is when you give the main character the reason to go after a goal (like killing a bad guy) by killing off a side character who's important to him. The reason why I put it in the sexist section is because it usually involves a lovely wife who only exists to be killed off by Mr. Badman and give Righteous Mr Goodman rage. I get it, Missandei is pretty useless in this fight heavy season as a peaceful translator, by why not kill her in one of the big battles? Too few people of importance have died in the first battle anyway, and Dany's dragon was the big casualty of this episode. This way it played out like an 80's action film. Goodman will encounter Badman and make a moral request, but oh no! Badman doesn't care! Badman has Goodman's pretty friend as hostage! Oh no, she died!

Quote from: MirrorMask on May 10, 2019, 12:17:37 PM
In the show Cersei is dumb, petty and vindicative, Tywin said it brilliantly: "It's not that I don't trust you because you are a woman, I don't trust you because you are not as smart as you think you are". It is my understanding that in the book Cersei is even worse, even dumber and even drunker, and probably George Martin doesn't see her coming out on top and never missing a beat. I believe that the fantastic job made by Lena Headey made impossible for the producers to get rid of her character and they felt they kinda had to stick with her until the end and make her the "final boss".
That's pretty much exactly what happened - Martin was considering a five year skip and one of the reasons why he decided not to go in that direction was, IIRC, the unbelievability of Cersei holding onto power for that long. It's fine she appears smarter in the show, I love Lena's performance, but they had the perfect opportunity to prop up the stumbling queen by an early alliance with a smart, ruthless and magic-wielding Euron. In fact, magic Euron could make a lot of these complaints go away - say, by cloaking his fleet in mist and sneaking up on a dragon...
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 10, 2019, 01:33:18 PM: Speaking of book Euron, I wish we would have gotten more of that representation. That is one hell of a character.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 10, 2019, 01:36:50 PM: Euron is once hiccup I feel the writers and casters made. The guy playing him basically comes off like a troll and a total lout.

I cracked up the last scene when he and Cersei were doing like a half-embrace, I think when he was looking down at her stomach after she lied to him about carrying his baby, and Cersei looked completely disgusted by him. :lol :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2019, 01:43:11 PM: While book Euron is more interesting, I kind of am a rare one who enjoys show Euron. I like his douchiness and I love how all he wants is to fuck the queen. So simple and sadistic which is exactly what he is in the show and since we don't really know where his character goes in the book, I guess I can give the show a pass on portraying him differently here. His book quest is also quite different and his dragon horn which is very important in the book isn't in the show at all, so they kind of just dropped any other dimension to his character besides just being a ruthless asshole, and somehow, I am OK with that here.

To compare, we don't really know what happens with the Dorne folks either, but the show botched them moreso than Euron IMO.
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Post by: New World Rushman on May 10, 2019, 01:45:30 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 10, 2019, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
That said, I am glad some are enjoying this.

Totally and even with my own negativity about this season, I still very much enjoy it and am super excited to watch this next episode. The show will likely go down as maybe my all time favorite regardless of how this season plays out. One "rushed" season doesn't ruin all the awesomeness from the past seasons nor does the rushness make me automatically dislike the show, I just have my issues with it while still loving it.
I was just thinking something similar. Although I don't have as many problems with the season as others, I guess I'm easily pleased, but I was comparing it to LOST; bad ending, but thinking back so many years later, I think of it as one of the greatest series of all time, the ending didn't spoil the ride.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2019, 01:52:52 PM: Quote from: New World Rushman on May 10, 2019, 01:45:30 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 10, 2019, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
That said, I am glad some are enjoying this.

Totally and even with my own negativity about this season, I still very much enjoy it and am super excited to watch this next episode. The show will likely go down as maybe my all time favorite regardless of how this season plays out. One "rushed" season doesn't ruin all the awesomeness from the past seasons nor does the rushness make me automatically dislike the show, I just have my issues with it while still loving it.
I was just thinking something similar. Although I don't have as many problems with the season as others, I guess I'm easily pleased, but I was comparing it to LOST; bad ending, but thinking back so many years later, I think of it as one of the greatest series of all time, the ending didn't spoil the ride.

I just finished a rewatch of Lost with my gf who had never watched. It's funny because she enjoyed the last seasons more than anyone I can remember watching at the time, and even myself found I enjoyed the last two seasons and the ending way more than at the time. And internally I keep comparing it to GOT in that, I thought the final season of Lost was still doing so much character and story development, my gf was even saying during the last season "how can they be adding more stories and characters when there is so much to end?" and yet they managed to actually do it. It made me appreciate the ending of lost a lot more although the flash sideways stuff definitely still comes off as BS time killer for the season. But the main storyline was still so good IMO. Makes me wish GOT were still adding new intrigue to this season.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 03:33:15 PM: Every time Euron is on screen, I kind of get porn parody vibes to be honest :lol

And this series as a whole for sure is amazing and a one of a kind experience. But I would be lying if I said that not sticking the landing is a big flaw in my view. Especially since it is the direct continuation and finalization of the storylines that got me invested in the first place. At least in Lost I always felt the characters remained interesting. Sure, the plot surrounding them eventually became bullshit, but the way the characters reacted to the situations thrown at them and how they interacted with each other was always engaging. My problem with Game of Thrones now is that I am losing the connection with some of the characters themselves, the emotional core of the series. Which is making me care a whole lot less.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 03:42:46 PM: Should've had Vince Gilligan do seasons 7 and 8
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 10, 2019, 03:43:19 PM: I think for comparison we should go back to see fan theories about how an acclaimed show, for example Breaking Bad, would end, and see if they match up to the actual finale. Just to get a perspective if fanfiction and fan guessing can be good, or in the end we should trust the authors :lol

And Mora, about the dragon ambush - there's no even need for a magical mist. It's WINTER by now. Have a natural mist, an attack from the Iron Fleet, Dany being all cocky "I got this", she dives in to burn the ships.... but Euron unveils the scorpion and fires at the dragon. But no, everything had to be a total and shocking surprise. Like I previously said - just let Jon kill the undead dragon in the Battle of Winterfell, which I believe he was actually going to do, give him a memorable moment.... but no, ALL the heroes HAVE to be one second away from utter defeat before the unexpected victory.
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 11, 2019, 08:51:18 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 10, 2019, 09:20:58 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 10, 2019, 09:16:45 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2019, 08:40:17 AM

I really, really hope GRR Martin gets to finish the books or at least leaves enough material/guidelines for a competent writer to finish it up.

I know GRR gave the series' writers guidelines, but seeing him promote other shows and stating he "doesn't have time to watch Game of Thrones" and not promote the climax to the series based on his own work says enough for me.

To anyone who thinks the show has gone way downhill, Martin should get 100% of the blame, for not finishing the books before now and giving them the material to work with to finish the story in the best way possible.

While I agree that the show isn't as great as it was in the early seasons, it is still really good and I am enjoying it like crazy. Sure, there are flaws, but I feel that many are picking nits just because the story isn't going how they wanted it to.

Martin should absolutely not get 100% of the blame. No way. Yes, they agreed to do the show under the assumption Martin would have the last 2 books out before they reached that point in the show, but the writing of the last few episodes and the decision to rush the seasons is NOT Martin's fault at all, that's entirely on D&D and the other writers. I'm still enjoying it but I fiercely believe Martin does not deserve the majority of blame for where the show has gone in the last couple seasons.

Speaking of Martin, he said one character has gotten WAY too much screen time in the last couple seasons. I wonder who he's talking about. Could be Tyrion, Varys, maybe even Arya.

I agree, Martin shouldn't get the blame. It's clear now more than ever that it's really hard to write a story as intricate as GoT.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 11, 2019, 10:46:46 AM: I can't wait to see how this battle plays out. By its very nature it has to have more 'meetings' and character drama than the Winterfell battle. My predictions for tomorrow night based on what we know from episode 4:

Dany and Drogon attack Euron's fleet. Drogon is possibly wounded but Euron gets roasted alive. Tyrion tells Dany of Varys's treason. Dany kills Varys somehow? Dany begins her attack on King's Landing and possibly blows the roof off the Red Keep like she saw in her vision of snow on the throne. Maybe one of the ballistas hits Drogon and she retreats... maybe Dany never gets to the throne room?

Jaime somehow gets to Cersei in the Red Keep and argues with Cersei before she orders The Mountain to kill him, there's a brief swordfight between The Mountain and Jaime. Cersei orders him to stop just before Jaime is beheaded/impaled/etc., but then The Hound appears and Cleganebowl occurs. The Mountain dies by The Hound injuring him enough to have his face shoved into one of the braziers, a callback to The Hound's childhood scarring, and both die from the battle. Jaime, bleeding out from the earlier fight, stabs Cersei as she's crying over his body. Both die. No idea what's up with the baby, I think that will end just like Bran's story, complete dead end.

No idea on anything else... just don't give Arya a big kill. But then why else is she moving south... sigh.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 11, 2019, 11:01:50 AM: Looks like the Houston Rockets mascot knows who his queen is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx8p0r2TWIk

:hat :hat
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 11, 2019, 11:07:08 AM: I look forward to the battle too! I'll forgive them the two big tactical blunders for the sake of a shocking moment if they'll show me a clever plan for Dany and a nice convergence of the storylines of the other people involved.

I hope for a clever and cunning way to disable both the golden company and the scorpions on the walls of King's Landing - dunno, Daario comes to the rescue with the second sons and also Dorne joins in the battle, Dany can't do anything because the golden company has a ballista, but Daario manages to destroy it and then Dany torches every one of them.

Greyworm could lead a sneaky attack on the walls - they kill all the people manouvering the scorpions, and Dany once again destroys them, so the can arrive at the Red keep.

Yara has to be there somehow, she'll be one to get Euron, but I wonder how they'll defeat his navy if he has those huge bolts ships-destroying.

Cersei still has some wildfire somewhere - it might be too obvious to have Jaimie once again kill a king to prevent the destruction of King's landing, but in a way or the other he'll end her.

Cleaganbowl of course will occour, because fans reasons.

Don't know what the role of Jon and the Northern army will be, maybe they'll be too involved in the battle against the Golden company, maybe he could be the one to disable their scorpion (I'm not saying the Golden company DOES have a scorpion - I'm just thinking it would be cool if they had, and if a suicide squad would do their best to disable it so that Dany can turn up the Dracarys mode to 11).
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Post by: The Walrus on May 11, 2019, 11:17:17 AM: Yeah I really have no idea what Jon is going to do, or Davos, what is he doing there? Yara being the one to take out Euron is cool, I hadn't even thought of that.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 11, 2019, 12:15:12 PM: My problem with Cleganebowl is that the Mountain is basically a barely human kind of brain-dead husk now. It would've been so satifying seeing The Hound take his brother and me being convinced his brother is mentally aware of it.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 11, 2019, 12:47:05 PM: There was a scene with Jaimie wondering how much he understands, taunting his intelligence, and Qyburn replies that he understands enough, with the Mountain turning angrily at Jaimie when he said that even before that he didn't really understand full sentences anyway. And he perfectly understands Cersei's orders. So let's just assume he's gonna indeed recognize his brother when he's facing him.

Oh, and I never really thought about it until now - we just HAVE to see his helmet thrown away and look him in the disfigured, zombie face right? if he's gonna die wearing a helmet it's gonna be an opportunity missed.
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Post by: Adami on May 11, 2019, 12:49:03 PM: When they had the meeting with the boxed walker, the Mountain walked forward when the Hound did. So I assume he very much recognizes him. I doubt he was doing it just to protect Cersei when the Hound was pretty far away still.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 11, 2019, 01:12:23 PM: Oh man, yeah. Was it season 6 when Cersei got her revenge on Septa Unella? The Mountain walked in and we saw him remove his helmet in the shadows. I've been dying to see how gruesome he looks.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 11, 2019, 01:54:34 PM: Hmmm, yeah, that is true. I hope they will portray him as more of a character than he has been for a couple of seasons. And I am certain they will show him without helmet. The confrontation is one of the things they have been building up for a good while now, they are not going to Aryafy this one as it is a very specific personal battle.
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Post by: Adami on May 11, 2019, 02:34:27 PM: I hope they decide to screw with everyone.

Have tons of personal battles ABOUT to happen, and then Arya comes in and kills the bad one every single time.
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Post by: Podaar on May 11, 2019, 03:24:53 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 11, 2019, 02:34:27 PM
I hope they decide to screw with everyone.

Have tons of personal battles ABOUT to happen, and then Arya comes in and kills the bad one every single time.

From literally out of nowhere! :angel:
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Post by: Chino on May 11, 2019, 05:19:37 PM: The series ends with Arya killing Arya and everyone is mindfucked.
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Post by: Adami on May 11, 2019, 05:20:14 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 11, 2019, 05:19:37 PM
The series ends with Arya killing Arya and everyone is mindfucked.

Arya kills Arya, and everyone else in the world drops dead like the walkers did.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 12, 2019, 02:34:37 AM: Some other wacky moments:

Cersei: "If you have any last words, now it's the time"
Missandei: "The queen is dead, long live the queen" *grabs her and pushes her off the wall in a murder-suicide coup*

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Cersei: "If you have any last words, now it's the time"
Missandei: "Dracarys"
Drogon in the distance: "Oh, that's my cue" *attacks the gates*
Dany: "NO!!! WAIT!!! NO!!! WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE DOING! THEY HAVE THE BALLISTAS! STOOOOOP"

Chaos and impromptu battles ensue. Drogon is probably shot dead at the first attack.
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 11:10:53 AM: I actually was wondering why Miss Sunday didn’t grab Cersei and jump.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 12, 2019, 11:56:41 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 12, 2019, 11:10:53 AM
I actually was wondering why Miss Sunday didn’t grab Cersei and jump.

She should have tried and failed.

Probably she was too distraught, or she thought that she'd have made Dany and all the others a target.

Anyway, just to cheer you up: some questions to one of the authors....

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-season-8-director-questions_n_5cd45cb5e4b0796a95d84ece?guccounter=1

In short:

- Euron "didn't pay attention" to the mention of Tyrion that Cersei was pregnant. He didn't pay attention. They literally wrote a plot point without realizing they have done so, and they wave it away just like they did with the ambush on the dragon.

- We didn't see the reaction of Sansa and Arya to the Jon parentage reveal because "we've already seen it twice". Which, narratively, I can also understand.... but it's their FREAKING SISTERS who discover they are cousins and that their father kept a secret his entire life!!!

- Jon in the crypts (teaser pre-season) sees a statue of himself older, does it mean he'll live? "Don't look too much into that".

Geez. I've just seen a comedy sitcom, The Good Place, and the final episode of the first season left me floored because of a clever plot point. A 20 minutes sitcom that makes you laugh. Their authors surprised me and made me realize how clever the show was. And the people involved with the biggest show of our generations make things happen that can be explained with characters literally forgetting or not paying attention.

Uh well, enough negativity, let's hope that against all hope we're in for a mindblowing episode that will reasonate for ages to come :metal they still gave us Hardhome, the loot train attack and Olenna's speech among other things, there must be hope!
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Post by: KevShmev on May 12, 2019, 12:03:20 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 12, 2019, 11:56:41 AM

- Euron "didn't pay attention" to the mention of Tyrion that Cersei was pregnant. He didn't pay attention. They literally wrote a plot point without realizing they have done so, and they wave it away just like they did with the ambush on the dragon.

No offense, but that is an absurd criticism. To have him react on the spot to the news would have been like watching an afternoon soap opera. "Oh my gosh, someone else is the father!" Euron has never been driven by wanting the queen to have his baby (he didn't even know till right before that scene), so it was far too irrelevant of a plot point to have been addressed on the spot, in that moment last week.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 12, 2019, 12:16:50 PM: When you put it that way, I agree with you. But the way I understood it, it was more of an admission of "No, nothing's gonna happen with that". Even what you just said, "Euron has never been driven by wanting the queen to have his baby", could have been the explanation: "Euron is there for power, it's not that he's in love with Cersei. He doesn't care if Jaimie knocked her up, as long as he has power by marrying Cersei". Not "He didn't pay attention".
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 01:36:20 PM: I would have hoped the reasoning would be, "Euron is smart, and knew that was not the time and place for bringing up such a controversy" rather than "he's just not paying attention"
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2019, 03:11:12 PM: Here's the thing though, remember Euron confronted Yara in front of everyone before the big meeting last season? While I didn't expect Euron to have a moment there, it seems to be within his character to do so. Having said that, I only would think that comment is interesting if Euron doesn't bring it up at all. Like, it's kind of important to come to the realization she's BSing you, which I'm sure he already thinks it with marrying him after the war is over. That comment does make it seem like its not a plot point though.
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 03:13:38 PM: Yea, him not reacting in the moment is not the same as him not paying attention to it being said in the first place. One can come back down the line with some logic, the other is just lazy writing.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 12, 2019, 03:25:24 PM: Eh, potentially having a baby with the Queen should be a major plotpoint. In this entire series, the right on the throne due to heritage is like one of the major plot threads. Who is who's kid and who should be getting a baby with who is what caused most battles in this series. I doubt any character in that world would find potentially having a kid with the Queen irrelevant. But, not reacting at that point in time and making a fit is a wise move, so perhaps it is that. We will see where this plot thread will go.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 03:30:50 PM: For the book scholars: is there any indication whatsoever that Euron is interested in marrying Cersei in the books? Is Cersei even in power currently in the books (has she had her imprisonment/walk of shame in Dance of Dragons?) or is she on a totally different path? I would be much more convinced of Cersei wanting to ally/marry a freakishly powerful and cunning pirate who's master of dark ocean magic than TV Euron. Cersei could rule the land, Euron would rule the seas.
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 03:31:57 PM: Also I have a question. I think, on my re-watch, I misheard or misunderstood something Euron said.

When he takes over the Iron Islands, before Yara and Theon take off to meet Dany, does Euron say he's going to marry Dany or Cersei? I could have sworn it was Dany, but then it went the other direction. Did I just hear him wrong?
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2019, 03:41:12 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 12, 2019, 03:30:50 PM
For the book scholars: is there any indication whatsoever that Euron is interested in marrying Cersei in the books? Is Cersei even in power currently in the books (has she had her imprisonment/walk of shame in Dance of Dragons?) or is she on a totally different path? I would be much more convinced of Cersei wanting to ally/marry a freakishly powerful and cunning pirate who's master of dark ocean magic than TV Euron. Cersei could rule the land, Euron would rule the seas.

I don't recall his comments on Cersei (Tommen is King still in the books) but in the books he is interested in controlling the dragons. He went around the the world and found a dragon horn so his goals and purpose are fairly different in the books although we don't know if they come to some sort of similar path in the end, but I doubt it. Book Euron is just completely different other than being crazy and brutal. I hardly really remember his details anymore though so there could be lots I am missing here.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 03:46:43 PM: Jeeze. Tommen's still king in the books? Martin sure has a lot to write then...

@Adami: I found this on the Game of Thrones wiki on Euron's article, in the Season 6 section:

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Mocking Theon's vocabulary, Euron counters that in his travels, he has seen more of the world than the rest of the captains combined, and that he knows that Daenerys Targaryen, who owns three large dragons, hates the lords of Westeros as much as the ironborn, and has neither a husband nor ships. He intends to sail to Slaver's Bay, bring her back to Westeros as his wife, and conquer the Seven Kingdoms with their combined forces. The captains all declare for him when he announces that he paid the iron price for his crown.

Hm. Forgot all about that. I can't recall when his goal switched from Dany to Cersei. (EDIT: D'oh, the article refreshed my memory. Yara and Theon beat Euron to meeting Dany, when Yara forged the alliance with Dany and was flirting with her. Cersei then invited Euron to King's Landing to forge a pact with the Ironborn, and the rest is history.)
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 03:47:39 PM: So I didn't mishear it. He just randomly changed all his plans. Gotcha. I honestly assumed I got it wrong.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 03:49:19 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 12, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
So I didn't mishear it. He just randomly changed all his plans. Gotcha. I honestly assumed I got it wrong.

Nah, not all that random. I just edited my post with the info I forgot that the article reminded me of - he switched from Dany to Cersei after the Yara-Dany alliance and realizing he could fenagle his way into the good graces of Cersei.
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 03:51:53 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 12, 2019, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 12, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
So I didn't mishear it. He just randomly changed all his plans. Gotcha. I honestly assumed I got it wrong.

Nah, not all that random. I just edited my post with the info I forgot that the article reminded me of - he switched from Dany to Cersei after the Yara-Dany alliance and realizing he could fenagle his way into the good graces of Cersei.

Huh, guess I missed that scene. It just looked like he decided to go to Dany and then ended up with Cersei. Ah well. Not a big deal, just popped into my head.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 12, 2019, 03:57:51 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 12, 2019, 03:30:50 PM
For the book scholars: is there any indication whatsoever that Euron is interested in marrying Cersei in the books? Is Cersei even in power currently in the books (has she had her imprisonment/walk of shame in Dance of Dragons?) or is she on a totally different path? I would be much more convinced of Cersei wanting to ally/marry a freakishly powerful and cunning pirate who's master of dark ocean magic than TV Euron. Cersei could rule the land, Euron would rule the seas.
No, Euron is not interested in marrying Cersei in the books; their storylines haven't really intersected much yet. The closest connection I can think of is that Euron has been raiding in the Reach, and Cersei basically ruling in King's Landing (pre Walk of Shame) hears about it and is kind of happy about it seeing it as "the Tyrell's problem" even though that's pretty short sighted. But then pretty much everything Cersei did in her stint of being in control of King's Landing was short sighted.

You can't really compare where Cersei's path in the books with the show accurately yet, since her last moment in the books was completing her Walk of Shame and seeing the new Mountain - the same as her last scene in Season 5 of the show. There's reason to think she'll end up back in some degree of power (because Kevan Lannister who was running things instead of her is killed at the very end of A Dance with Dragons), her plan is for the Mountain to win her trial by combat against the faith, and there's textual foreshadowing of her using wildfire against her enemies, so her story likely will go in a similar direction as Season 6 in the books. But it's very unlikely she'd be able to simply rule King's Landing without complication if she pulled off something like the Sept explosion as she has done in ths show.

So Euron isn't interested in Cersei at the moment, he is still focused on Daenerys and her dragons, roughly equivalent to where he was in Season 6 of the show before Yara got to Daenerys first. In the books he has sent his brother Victarion to approach Daenerys, and Victarion hates Euron and would likely betray him. But Euron is much smarter than Victarion so likely accounts for that in his plans.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 12, 2019, 04:20:40 PM: I think Euron is a significantly different character than in the books. That in itself is not a problem for me though, the series clearly went in a different direction than the books eventually will (I hope we will see the books release). And that is a good thing, it means that if we get future books, thing will be new for us.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2019, 04:41:43 PM: Quote from: ErHaO on May 12, 2019, 04:20:40 PM
I think Euron is a significantly different character than in the books. That in itself is not a problem for me though, the series clearly went in a different direction than the books eventually will (I hope we will see the books release). And that is a good thing, it means that if we get future books, thing will be new for us.

Yea, I don't mind what the show did with his limited material and changing it to meet their story. These new plots introduced in the 4th and 5th books are what the show struggled to adapt, and that's understandable. I had no issue with Euron's different show portrayal, the changed a lot about them including Yara's name :lol and no Victorian. Now Dorne is a different story, but still, I get it was really hard to add these new storylines with no endings in sight for the show.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 06:37:11 PM: Thanks for that awesome post RuRoRul. There's ANOTHER Greyjoy? Sheesh. I do need to read the books.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 12, 2019, 06:58:59 PM: My body is ready...let's do this. :metal :metal
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 07:02:29 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 12, 2019, 06:58:59 PM
My body is ready...let's do this. :metal :metal

I’ll be right over. Don’t get dressed.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 08:18:12 PM: For all the flaws this seasons has had... that was something else. What a treat. I was in tears twice. Watching it again in a few. Simply jaw dropping.

EDIT: Well okay - maybe Jaime getting all the way to the Keep with two big stabbings in the side is a bit farfetched but that's really minor in the big picture.
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 08:24:15 PM: What a frustrating episode.

Some of the best directing, acting, music, set design, costume, special FX, etc that I've seen on TV.

And some of the worst writing.

I know I have to wait a few days of everyone saying it's the best episode ever, so I'll just hang out til we can discuss it beyond praise.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 08:26:34 PM: I'm actually really curious what bad writing you're referring to - like, dialogue, or literally how they wrote the scenes? If you want to wait, that's cool too, but I'm interested.
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 08:29:02 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 12, 2019, 08:26:34 PM
I'm actually really curious what bad writing you're referring to - like, dialogue, or literally how they wrote the scenes? If you want to wait, that's cool too, but I'm interested.

Just to answer briefly, I don't mean to imply that literally every word is badly written. Just overall. The dialogue is usually fine, if not a bit overt and blunt, but it's more story writing that I'm referring to. Some of the dialogue is really great. Btu yea, I mean the story. An example from last episode of Dany forgetting about Euron or Euron not paying attention to the baby thing. Stuff like that.

Visually, this was one of the most beautiful and amazing episodes I've seen yet. And for the first hour (or however long til they rang the bells) I thought it was the best episode of the last 2 seasons. After that, no.
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Post by: masterthes on May 12, 2019, 08:30:39 PM: That was on par to watching Schindler's List. Beautiful but brutal AF
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 12, 2019, 08:30:50 PM: Dany has entered Anikan Skywalker terrority. That was crazy. Hopefully Arya or Jon take her out in the finale.

Brother vs. Brother did not disappoint.

Crazy, crazy episode.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2019, 08:31:38 PM: Arya was much better getting around the dead then the living it seems. I liked the episode a lot, but it seems we didnt get the prophecies. Which made Cerseis death with jaime less interesting. Like no one ever actually tried to kill her, she even walked right past the hound before clegane bowl. Her death was not satisfying. The torching of kings landing and Jon's struggle with killing and trying not to was really cool. Also greyworm slaying people :metal
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Post by: lordxizor on May 12, 2019, 08:33:19 PM: While I expected her to go Mad Queen, I wasn't expecting that mad.
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Post by: Chino on May 12, 2019, 08:34:50 PM: Is Bran warging into horses now?
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Post by: KevShmev on May 12, 2019, 08:36:12 PM: Whew, that was a workout.

While I always wanted to see Cersei have a painful death, I thought they handled that well. In her final minutes, she was defeated, crying and whimpering...very fitting before she met her demise with the kingslayer.

As for Danny, all hail the queen. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 08:38:52 PM: Gotcha, Adami.

Quote from: KevShmev on May 12, 2019, 08:36:12 PM
While I always wanted to see Cersei have a painful death, I thought they handled that well. In her final minutes, she was defeated, crying and whimpering...very fitting before she met her demise with the kingslayer.

Yeah, I'm right there with you. That wasn't how I expected her to go, but one of the moments I teared up at was right there, when she said, "I don't want to die" - I hate Cersei, she's an awful person, but she's one of the best characters on the show, and no matter how evil she was, she was also very human, and that's what I loved about her. Lena Headey is a phenomenal actor.

Dany torching King's Landing, I have no problems with (just look at the recent discussion we had on Dany's character arc leading to this). What a spectacle. Visually one of the best episodes ever, for sure.

Cleganebowl reminded me of the scene every JRPG has where you fight someone on a staircase with a killer view. RIP Qyburn, holy shit lol
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Post by: KevShmev on May 12, 2019, 08:41:04 PM: That final scene with Tyrion and Jaime was so good. Tyrion may very well pay with his life, but it's clear how much his brother meant to him.
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Post by: faizoff on May 12, 2019, 08:45:56 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 12, 2019, 08:29:02 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 12, 2019, 08:26:34 PM
I'm actually really curious what bad writing you're referring to - like, dialogue, or literally how they wrote the scenes? If you want to wait, that's cool too, but I'm interested.

Just to answer briefly, I don't mean to imply that literally every word is badly written. Just overall. The dialogue is usually fine, if not a bit overt and blunt, but it's more story writing that I'm referring to. Some of the dialogue is really great. Btu yea, I mean the story. An example from last episode of Dany forgetting about Euron or Euron not paying attention to the baby thing. Stuff like that.

I agree with the story part of it not being up to par but honestly my opinion is that this is purely due to the squeezed number of episodes. I'm sure the writers can flesh out the story and make the character's choices more discernible and cogent, but do so in the number of episodes for this many characters, something was going to take a hit.

I thought as much that there would be some amazing stuff and some very banal choices. But overall I actually am enjoying these episodes while fully acknowledging its many flaws.

For me, its solidified that nothing will reach breaking bad level series ending satisfaction but this is going to be as good as it will be.

Agreed with everyone that said it's one of the most hauntingly beautiful looking episodes. Amazing actor performances overall. Visual effects were out of this world for a TV show. Truly a spectacle.

I'm not at all happy with Jaime's arc ending this way even though I suppose it makes sense. I thought he was the best written arc on the show until he decided to head back to King's Landing, but again my thinking is that this is more of a result of the shortened season than anything else.

One last episode...
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Post by: faizoff on May 12, 2019, 08:51:03 PM: Gah.. I'm actually depressed after all that carnage. I need to watch some comedy and watch Veep since that series is ending tonight.
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2019, 08:55:33 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 12, 2019, 08:51:03 PM
Gah.. I'm actually depressed after all that carnage. I need to watch some comedy and watch Veep since that series is ending tonight.

Hah. I have similar experiences. Gotta be up for work early Monday morning so I always need a post GoT show to decompress so I can sleep.
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Post by: erwinrafael on May 12, 2019, 08:59:33 PM: What a meh episode. The last 20 minutrs dragged on and on. There were deaths, but they all felt so irrelevant and telegraphed.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 12, 2019, 09:05:43 PM: Couple thoughts:

- I loved how they made Dany go fucking nuts at the end. I’ve been waiting for that for a while!

- The Clegane bowl was dope!

- By having the finale be Jon vs Dany (which it looks like it will be), they hold up to the title of A Song of Ice and Fire.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2019, 09:10:27 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 12, 2019, 08:45:56 PM
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Truly a spectacle.

True enough, and i enjoy the production too, but i miss the days when the spectacle:story ratio didnt feel so out of balance.

The show didnt hook me in the early seasons on the basis of spectacle as much as for the interesting characters and complex storytelling. Sacrifices have been made. Spectacle can only do so much.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 12, 2019, 09:11:38 PM: The "Mad Queen"............... Holy fuck that was EPIC!!!!!!!
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Post by: lonestar on May 12, 2019, 10:24:09 PM: Yup, pretty happy with how that went. Mad Queen was predictable, and satisfying. Clegane Bowl was totes worth it. Good level of carnage and mayhem. I still don't see how they're gonna pack the rest of the series into one episode, but we'll see.

Final scene with Arya and the horse was just stunning.
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Post by: faizoff on May 12, 2019, 11:01:21 PM: Quote from: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 12, 2019, 08:45:56 PM
Truly a spectacle.

True enough, and i enjoy the production too, but i miss the days when the spectacle:story ratio didnt feel so out of balance.

The show didnt hook me in the early seasons on the basis of spectacle as much as for the interesting characters and complex storytelling. Sacrifices have been made. Spectacle can only do so much.

I get that but I think the spectacle is well earned at this point IMO. Its been building and building to this so I am soaking in spectacular spectacle. ;D
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Post by: The Walrus on May 12, 2019, 11:34:25 PM: Who would've thought a show about dragons and zombies would end in spectacle. :biggrin:
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Post by: soupytwist on May 13, 2019, 01:36:35 AM: Personally I can't believe they made the decision at the end of season 6 that they only needed 15 to tell the rest of the story. Everything is now so rushed - In my opinion Season 8 should have been about battling the Nightking and Season 9 about the battle for the throne. But they are rushing those two stories into 6 episodes and the characters are really suffering as their motivations and actions aren't being fleshed out.
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Post by: masterthes on May 13, 2019, 04:38:10 AM: The thing that was really frustrating was that, despite the awesome character arc Jamie went through, it ultimately meant nothing. Fate tapped him on the shoulder and said "listen, Brienne is great and all, but there's this prophecy that says you have to kill your sister, so if you could go back to King's Landing, that'd be great"
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 13, 2019, 04:53:39 AM: I liked the way Cersei died. No body by her side except her brother buried in a pile of rubble like so many of her citizens
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 13, 2019, 05:22:26 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 12, 2019, 11:34:25 PM
Who would've thought a show about dragons and zombies would end in spectacle. :biggrin:

I get that youre being playful, but its a great point youve made.

I always thought the show was about dragons and zombies in the same way that the lord of the rings is about elves and magical jewelry. That is, only superficially. I found it intriguing that a show could blend fantasy elements with grittier elements realism, with politics, with complex relationships, etc; just as the lotr is my favorite movie series for its depiction of human issues like greed, fellowship, sacrifice, etc.

Im just sad that the superficial at some point seemed to eclipse the human intrigue to produce this magnificently retweetable spectacle.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 13, 2019, 05:42:27 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 12, 2019, 08:34:50 PM
Is Bran warging into horses now?
Don't expect anything as interesting as that. An interview will come out and they'll say it's a Bible reference (death riding on a pale horse) and that will be the end of that.

This was pretty much torture porn for me. Wondering where the sweet part will be in this bittersweet ending. If you close your eyes at episode 4, suddenly it makes a lot of sense - from the moment they arrive to King's Landing they've pretty much won, a dragon is a weapon of mass destruction, Cersei's forces are outmatched, doesn't matter how much you nerf Dany's forces beforehand. The only struggle that's ahead of our main characters is how to refrain from vengeance and show mercy. Some fail (Dany obvs, The Hound), some succeed (Arya, Jon), some sign their death sentences because they love their family (Jaime, Tyrion probably, no way he lives after what he pulled). EP4 was unnecessary - the scorpions, the clumsy parlay, all of it, it could have gone without a skirmish and with some much more advanced and nuanced politicking.

Dany and the Lannisters are my two weak spots. I still insist they Revenge Of The Sith-ed Dany. If they had the guts to take her to 49% Targaryen in season 5 (like GRRM did in book 5), and then slowly take her up til 90% in the previous episode, this would have been even more emotionally fraught to watch, but they wanted to make the team Dany casuals feel justified in rooting for their queen and buying merch until the bitter end. I wish we spent more time with Jaime to understand his decision. I get it, I just don't want to autofill it in my head, when Nikolaj is capable of showing it to me. Tyrion is a head scratcher. She ruined his life along with their father and called for his head multiple times. Last episode he all but told Cersei to surrender so they could let her deliver her child, and she refused and killed a prisoner, an innocent. She isn't worth committing treason for.

I wish Cersei had lived so that at the end of the war they had a Lannister baby in exile they had to show mercy to, like Robert who had to deal with the fact there were two Targaryen children in exile. But I think the ending came straight from GRRM, so who am I to say anything. They should have taken HBO's offer, made more episodes and tied it together better, because an ending makes no sense without a careful journey.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 05:58:04 AM: If there is enough pushback reaction, I could see George Martin saying this is not what he intended, but I think it's clear that the showrunners took direction from him on a macro level (big picture, character arcs, etc.), even if the smaller details (pacing, for example) might have veered greatly from what he wanted.

What I mean is this: I suspect a lot of people will criticize the showrunners for turning Daenerys heel, but I would bet my life savings that the same thing would have happened had Martin finished the books first. How they got from a to z might have been a little different, and details absolutely matter, but the end result still would have been the same.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 13, 2019, 06:00:59 AM: MoraWintersoul basically described my thoughts exactly. Really well put.

However, I am a bit grumpy right now, so I'm going to say them myself as well. :lol For whatever reason, Danny's story arc just did not work for me. I fully admit that it was because I incorrectly convinced myself that she was good. Maybe I set myself up for disappointment. But I really thought that, based on Seasons 1-7, she was at least 51% good. I always knew she had some screws loose, but as recently as a season ago, she was refusing to burn King's Landing to the ground because she knew it was the wrong thing to do. Even Jon was like, "I believe in you!" And now she has gone ahead and murdered thousands upon thousands of people for basically no reason. She went full crazy. Committed genocide, basically.

From what I can tell, the show is going to end with Jon killing her. How many characters does that make who received a sad end? I'm not actually going to do this, but my sense is that if you wrote down a list of all the main characters, basically every one would slot under "Sad Ending" and only a few would go under "Happy Ending". The bitter-to-sweet ratio is completely lopsided right now, and if it stays that way, I don't know how much replay the value the show will have in the long run. I never expected the show to have a happy ending, but I also didn't expect it to be this big a downer. Again... Maybe my fault, but this last episode didn't sit quite right.
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:07:51 AM: @Kev: Yeah regardless of pacing, writing etc, Danny's arc in the show is consistent with that in the books and I'm extremely confident that's where the books are heading too. That side of this episode honestly worked for me, it had been set up for a years but the brutal extent of it did shock me (in a mostly good way).

I also enjoyed "Cleganebowl" and thought its resolution was probably the only way it could end.

I also really liked Arya in this episode and I was glad at how much it focused on her.

Some other great stuff in the episode and I enjoyed it quite a bit overall. Some stuff felt quite disappointing though. Varys, the master of whisperers, getting caught was downright incompetent. Jaime's arc feels anti-climactic and meaningless. And although I kind of get Jon being torn over what to do, it felt like it took too long for him to do the right thing.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 13, 2019, 06:14:56 AM: Wow, where do I even start. That was the best episode in YEARS and will probably go down as one of the strongest episodes in the entire series for me. It hit every emotion I have, sadness, fear, panic, joy, sorrow, relief, on and on. They pulled no punches showing the absolute horror of war and just how bad it can really get and I salute them for it. It felt REAL.

But I will not let them get away with one fatal flaw:

Oh what, now the scorpions just aren't a problem? FUCK THAT These things were built up over all this time as this big game changer, killed a dragon effortless just one episode ago and now she takes them all out in a couple of minutes? Fuck that shit

ALL they had to do was put some armor on the god damn dragon and show a spear bounce off it. Is that so fucking hard?

Besides that one issue, this episode was legendary and I bow down :hefdaddy

Can't wait for the final episode and all I've got to say is one thing and one thing only:

The bitch must die...
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:16:55 AM: Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on May 13, 2019, 06:00:59 AM
I always knew she had some screws loose, but as recently as a season ago, she was refusing to burn King's Landing to the ground because she knew it was the wrong thing to do.
From what I remember, she definitely didn't "refuse" to do it. She had to be talked out of it by Tyrion and/or Varys. Something like this has been on the cards for a while and I honestly thought everyone knew that, and so I'm surprised at the amount of surprise if that makes sense.

Although like I said in my previous post, I *am* surprised at just how far she went, which was a bit of an emotional downer for sure but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing - it adds to the tragedy of her story arc.

And actually one thing I wasn't keen on which might just be how it was shot and edited, but it almost seemed at times like Dany was killing innocents just for the sake of it. What I took from those scenes *overall* was that Dany was slaughtering the soldiers and didn't care how many innocents were caught in it, but it definitely felt like some shots were all/mostly random innocents and that she was just killing everyone.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 13, 2019, 06:20:53 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:16:55 AM
but it definitely felt like some shots were all/mostly random innocents and that she was just killing everyone.
That's because she was just killing everyone. She wiped out the entire city.

When she was speaking with Jon earlier and decided that since no one in Westeros loves her that she would have to lead by fear, she obviously convinced herself that wiping out the whole city was the only way to strike fear in the hearts of all of Westeros so they would follow her.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 13, 2019, 06:22:59 AM: My prediction for the last episode for what it's worth:

No one ends up on the iron throne. Westeros breaks up into it's original 7 kingdoms. Jon kills Dany, goes back north, leaves Sansa in charge and goes beyond the wall to join the free folk.
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:25:46 AM: Quote from: lordxizor on May 13, 2019, 06:20:53 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:16:55 AM
but it definitely felt like some shots were all/mostly random innocents and that she was just killing everyone.
That's because she was just killing everyone. She wiped out the entire city.

When she was speaking with Jon earlier and decided that since no one in Westeros loves her that she would have to lead by fear, she obviously convinced herself that wiping out the whole city was the only way to strike fear in the hearts of all of Westeros so they would follow her.
Ah yeah, I forgot about that scene. Good point. My initial interpretation is probably wrong in that case and she really went completely off the deep end. Jeez.

Thinking about it now, a season or two ago, when she began actively talking about returning to Westeros to take her throne, there were discussions among some characters (can't remember who but probably involving Tyrion and Varys) about whether the people would accept her considering they don't know her.
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:28:23 AM: Quote from: lordxizor on May 13, 2019, 06:22:59 AM
My prediction for the last episode for what it's worth:

No one ends up on the iron throne. Westeros breaks up into it's original 7 kingdoms.
I increasingly think this will be the case as well. 99% certain Dany will be killed, and of all the lineages who have sat on the throne, Jon is the only other one surviving except Gendry, who could possibly end up on the throne but I don't think he will. And I don't think Jon will accept it, assuming he survives.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 06:30:55 AM: I was fine with how quickly she took out the scorpions last night. She basically dive bombed them from the sky first thing in the morning when the sun was in her favor and took out the ones in the front before they knew what hit them, and then looped around and took out the rest from the back before they could turn around and fire.
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:32:42 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 06:30:55 AM
I was fine with how quickly she took out the scorpions last night. She basically dive bombed them from the sky first thing in the morning when the sun was in her favor and took out the ones in the front before they knew what hit them, and then looped around and took out the rest from the back before they could turn around and fire.
Yeah I was fine with that too, in and of itself. It does feel kinda of inconsistent with the preivous episode, but eh, I don't think that too big a deal really.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 06:46:18 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:32:42 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 06:30:55 AM
I was fine with how quickly she took out the scorpions last night. She basically dive bombed them from the sky first thing in the morning when the sun was in her favor and took out the ones in the front before they knew what hit them, and then looped around and took out the rest from the back before they could turn around and fire.
Yeah I was fine with that too, in and of itself. It does feel kinda of inconsistent with the preivous episode, but eh, I don't think that too big a deal really.

Yep. She used the rising sun to neuter the scorpions on the Iron Fleet ship....they detailed that with Euron constantly holding his hands over his eyes.....then....the fixed scorpions built on the walls of Kingslanding she came in from the side and straight above....perfectly executed tactfully. They did a good job of showing that as well. The reason they were useless is because she and Drogon found their weakness and exploited it.

I liked the episode a lot. I think that’s right where Dany’s character has been heading for some time and the moment she whispered ‘then by fear’ to Jon at Dragonstone everyone in Kingslanding was toast. And it was a spectacle to see.

Clegane bowl went about as expected....with both of them dying. Just ‘what’ the F did Qyburn do to the Mountain? Jeez.....was he even alive?

I was way off on Jamie.....he went back for Cersi because he loved her. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised but I was certain he was going back to kill her. Their death was fitting. Alone....yet together. That scene between he and Tyrion was awesome.

As some of us have been speculating for a bit now....it’s looking like Jon is going to have to kill Dany....question is....what happens after that?

The episode was visually stunning and a really fun one to watch. Can’t believe it’s almost over
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 13, 2019, 06:53:15 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:16:55 AM
Something like this has been on the cards for a while and I honestly thought everyone knew that, and so I'm surprised at the amount of surprise if that makes sense.
Honestly, if I take my cynicism out of it*, I think they've been dancing on a really thin line and haven't been skillful enough to convey it properly, which is why people are surprised. If there were real danger in season 7 and the beginning of 8, you'd see Tyrion and Varys scrambling to replace her much earlier than EP4, but you can't have her out burning things indiscriminately much earlier than that, because how can you stop someone with two dragons. The early episodes focusing on Dany's love for Jon and sacrificing a lot of her army to help the North when she could have just fucked off to KL, torched Cersei and then sent all her newly acquired forces to help the North didn't help to reaffirm our doubts in her. They played it as "dutiful, listening Targ knows she must keep herself in check until she's lost too much and it's too late" until the tail end of this short season for shock. Even you were shocked by the extent of the carnage.

I think it would have been more gray if they filled out the world a little more and if after burning the Red Keep with some civil casualties, her council struggled to keep her from burning everyone in the other kingdoms who didn't bend the knee, culminating in Jon realizing they went too far, and killing her, in another episode. In Robert's Rebellion, they killed a lot of good men who weren't complicit with Aerys' madness to get the throne, and we still love those characters - this way, the blame of the horrors of war is solely on her, so we can conveniently forgive everyone who supported her way to the throne, including the "good Starks". Even now when they got everything out of the way and Jon's hands are mostly clean and hers are not, she's still a problem, because she still has the dragon and the armies. How is Drogon gonna react to seeing his dead mother? Are her forces going to try to avenge her, or are they gonna serve the new king?

*my cynicism says they wanted to keep all the team Dany people fully on board and not questioning anything and then shock them like they shocked team Robb show-only watchers with the Red Wedding.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 06:59:34 AM: I think Drogon will obey Jon over Dany because he will ‘know’ or sense that Jon is the true King....leading to her final ‘betrayal’.
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Post by: Chino on May 13, 2019, 07:01:22 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 06:59:34 AM
I think Drogon will obey Jon over Dany because he will ‘know’ or sense that Jon is the true King....leading to her final ‘betrayal’.

I expected that last night actually. When Dany gave the order for Drogon to torch Varys, it looks like for a second that he was disobeying.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 07:04:55 AM: After watching it twice that is definitely my favorite episode of the season by a country mile. I just want to get through work, get home, and watch it again. :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 07:13:14 AM: I kind of like Dany's turn this episode. I kept thinking, maybe this was all set up and she wouldn't pull the trigger. Or maybe she will only go half mad king. But seeing the brutality and that shock of when she finally did start killing everyone was shockingly amazing. I kept thinking she wouldn't really just burn the innocents in the streets but they showed that first shot of her doing it and I couldn't believe my eyes. Then you had Greyworm sitting there in the stand still just taking out his anger. You see Dany's eyes and how angry she is. It felt like the culmination of all the pent up anger from this series being let out.
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Post by: Nick on May 13, 2019, 07:14:35 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 13, 2019, 06:14:56 AM
But I will not let them get away with one fatal flaw:

Oh what, now the scorpions just aren't a problem? FUCK THAT These things were built up over all this time as this big game changer, killed a dragon effortless just one episode ago and now she takes them all out in a couple of minutes? Fuck that shit

Easily my biggest complaint about the episode. The fleet alone last episode was able to hit a dragon with like, 8 of 10 bolts but then this time around I want to say everyone became a fucking stormtrooper, but even that's kinda inaccurate because they didn't even get shots off. It's a fucking dragon, you can't track where it's at and preemptively turn to aim at it? Either they should have had a harder time killing a dragon last episode or an easier time getting a hit or two in this one, but that was laughably inconsistent.

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On to some other points:

I really have mixed emotions about the end to the Kingslayer after his big redemption, but as with much of his story was glad his final evil intentions were intertwined with good works as well.

I loved the simple stupidity of Euron, he died "knowing" he fucked the queen, had a prince on the way, and killed Jamie, and probably died happier than any other person that day.

I really don't know what to think of Bran at this point. On one hand I think he has to be responsible for the horse at the end, otherwise that whole scene is just too unbelievable. That said if he had interests in the game of thrones (up to this point it seemed, like the Lord of Light, his interest was purely the Night King), that he would have offered something to help stop that slaughter.

Speaking of which, my horror is shared with Tyrion. After the bells rang and the dragon took off I thought Danny was headed for the castle with Cersei. When she started indiscriminately torching the city I was truly bothered. After all the death of the battle of Winterfell to have all those innocents die was heartbreaking, and will make picking up the pieces of whoever sits on the Iron Throne much more difficult.

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And so who sits on the Iron Throne?

It seems obvious they will have to overthrow Danny in some way, but who knows, perhaps they give us all the finger and the Mad Queen reigns till the end.

Jon is the obvious choice, and for that reason alone it might not be him. Once Danny is gone, assuming she is, there will be a combination of heartbreak, the fact he doesn't want the throne, and the guilt of allowing Danny the opportunity to torch King's Landing.

The final part applies to Tyrion as well, who tried his best to set things right, but in the end did not move to stop Danny and essentially executed Varrys.

How it gets there I don't know, but I can see Tyrion taking Varrys' advice and somehow getting Sansa on the throne. I would personally hate this as Sophie Turner is probably my least favorite actor/actress in the series, but a reasonable dark horse.
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 07:44:33 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 13, 2019, 06:53:15 AM
Even you were shocked by the extent of the carnage.
The extent of it, absolutely. Just not that it happened.

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In Robert's Rebellion, they killed a lot of good men who weren't complicit with Aerys' madness to get the throne, and we still love those characters - this way, the blame of the horrors of war is solely on her, so we can conveniently forgive everyone who supported her way to the throne, including the "good Starks". Even now when they got everything out of the way and Jon's hands are mostly clean and hers are not, she's still a problem, because she still has the dragon and the armies.
Interesting, that's not how I see it at all. While people like Jon and Tyrion had good intentions, they still failed to see this coming or stop it happening and what happened is the consequence of their failure.

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*my cynicism says they wanted to keep all the team Dany people fully on board and not questioning anything and then shock them like they shocked team Robb show-only watchers with the Red Wedding.
Perhaps, or it might have been a more general "let's make it shocking for the casual viewers and even make dedicated fans question whether she'll do it" than specifically targeted at "team Dany" people. Although either way it's pretty harsh on all the people who have in the last few years christened their daughters "Khaleesi". :lol
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Post by: v_clortho on May 13, 2019, 07:45:47 AM: Quote from: v_clortho on May 07, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
Prediction: Jaime kills Cersei by pushing her out a window or some other high place. I have a feeling he will fall with her as well. The hound and the Mountain will fight. The Hound will win but be severely hurt. Arya will put him out of his misery at his request.

Nailed it! :lol
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Post by: Chino on May 13, 2019, 07:48:06 AM: Quote from: v_clortho on May 13, 2019, 07:45:47 AM
Quote from: v_clortho on May 07, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
Prediction: Jaime kills Cersei by pushing her out a window or some other high place. I have a feeling he will fall with her as well. The hound and the Mountain will fight. The Hound will win but be severely hurt. Arya will put him out of his misery at his request.

Nailed it! :lol

You were so close and so far at the same time :lol
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Post by: Adami on May 13, 2019, 07:48:11 AM: For the moment, I'll stick to things I liked since....yea.

Despite her thick plot armor, I really liked Arya's arc in this episode. Her final conversation with the hound, I thought was excellent. And even though it amounted to absolutely nothing, I really liked her turn toward wanting to help people rather than just being a killer. Overall, loved Arya and the Hound. And her calling him by his real name at the end was a nice touch.

How they killed off Cyburn. Quick, pointless, and without meaning. Pretty fitting for his character. Also died at the hands of his own creation. Liked that.

The Lanister army laying down their arms right after Cersei said they would fight til the last man standing. I'm not going into what happened after since I hated it, but that moment was a really great twist that I applauded.

How Cersei died. Not going to comment on Jamie's arc, but her dying with him under the weight of her own failures I thought was good.

How Euron died. As Nick just pointed out, he had a death really fitting his character. Super short sighted and pretty delusional.
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 07:49:41 AM: Agree with all of those, Adami.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 07:50:54 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 07:13:14 AM
I kind of like Dany's turn this episode. I kept thinking, maybe this was all set up and she wouldn't pull the trigger. Or maybe she will only go half mad king. But seeing the brutality and that shock of when she finally did start killing everyone was shockingly amazing. I kept thinking she wouldn't really just burn the innocents in the streets but they showed that first shot of her doing it and I couldn't believe my eyes. Then you had Greyworm sitting there in the stand still just taking out his anger. You see Dany's eyes and how angry she is. It felt like the culmination of all the pent up anger from this series being let out.

Well....this was her initial plan and idea prior to meeting Jorah, Tyrion...Varys. They're the ones who talked her down from it. With Jorah (and Messande) being gone....her not trusting Varys at all and her Faith in Tyrion essentially non existent now.....she went back to her original plan. And, especially after that scene with Jon when she realized her only power was going to come from fear.....and not the reverence and love she had from the freed slaves and people from across the sea....she decided to wreak havoc.

And again....as far as the scorpions seemingly being useless just as they were introduced as being the 'game changers'.....i think they did a good job of showing Dany and Drogon working in concert and taking advantage of his mobility.....the early morning sun on the sea.....the fixed positions on the walls.....I mean honestly, they handled that perfectly. There really should be no question as to 'why' the scorpions weren't effective. It's because Dany and Drogon took it to the next level and kicked their a$$es.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2019, 07:57:37 AM: I thought the episode was fantastic. Best of the year by far.

I understand some of the criticism I have seen, but not others.

Some of the criticism of how Dany turned out seems like simple "not getting their way". This is almost certainly the way it was always going to end. The whole thing fits right in with the vision Dany had in, what, season 2? And also the vision that Bran had, that featured some of the same images. Dany has been losing it, piece by piece, for years. I never believed that she would just accomplish her goal of winning the throne and being a benevolent ruler happily ever after, and anyone that did think that hasn't been watching the same show that I have. Expectations of happy endings have been subverted since the first season (or even the first episode).

I also don't understand the criticism of how "Jaime's arc ended". He didn't have an arc. He didn't go from evil to good. He was always evil. He was always good. He was one of the most complex figures on the show, and like so many others, had his share of faults. He was always honorable and upstanding in most ways, except for the big blind spot in his vision that was Cersei. Around her, he couldn't help himself, but away from her, his more positive traits always came through. But she was the black hole from whose orbit he was incapable of extricating himself.

The Clegane battle was fantastic. And I'm glad that Arya got away. Hopefully she has a moderately happy ending (or at least a purposeful one, which may be the best that this world can give her).

Also, how Dany dealt with the scorpions actually made perfect sense. The weakness was that they are so huge that they are not easily maneuverable and take a while to reload, weaknesses that are mitigated when firing at a target caught unawares (as in the last episode). Dany attacked the fleet from above with the sun behind her, so they couldn't get clear shots, which enabled her to take them out fairly quickly. Likewise, the when she got to the city, they weren't pointed in the right directions, enabling her to take them out as well.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 13, 2019, 07:58:30 AM: Quote from: Nick on May 13, 2019, 07:14:35 AM
How it gets there I don't know, but I can see Tyrion taking Varrys' advice and somehow getting Sansa on the throne. I would personally hate this as Sophie Turner is probably my least favorite actor/actress in the series, but a reasonable dark horse.
A reasonable dark horse is Bran. because they're trying very hard to make us forget he exists or is in the vicinity of the throne, just like they tried to make us think Arya won't be the one to kill NK.

Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 07:44:33 AM
Interesting, that's not how I see it at all. While people like Jon and Tyrion had good intentions, they still failed to see this coming or stop it happening and what happened is the consequence of their failure.
I don't think anyone in-universe will call them out on it at all. Maybe Jon will brood and say "this is all my fault" and someone else will pat him on the back and say he isn't.

Look at me, all bold, making predictions :lol Tbh if it's anyone's fault, it's Bran's. Letting a ticking time bomb into KL is a big loss for humanity, and something he'd probably be interested in stopping, if that was his endgame. Instead he only shows interest in Arya and Jaime, and then he presses Jon's claim, which drives a wedge between Jon and Dany early. In fact, if the showrunners were clever, they'd imply he had a hand in orchestrating this in order to put the best Targ on the throne. I don't like Bran Mastermind theories but they're basically implying it right now anyway, because he just let everything unfold and pushed a crucial part of the story.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 08:05:43 AM: So, was the commander of the Golden Company one of the most useless new characters in the show? They gave him an introduction and death, that is all. :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 08:17:39 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 08:05:43 AM
So, was the commander of the Golden Company one of the most useless new characters in the show? They gave him an introduction and death, that is all. :lol

The shot of him staring down the Northern army reminded me of Jon facing down Ramsay's army. Except Harry did the smart thing and tried to retreat, LOL! I like how his horse was the one Arya rode out of the city with :)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:19:37 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
Some of the criticism of how Dany turned out seems like simple "not getting their way". This is almost certainly the way it was always going to end. The whole thing fits right in with the vision Dany had in, what, season 2? And also the vision that Bran had, that featured some of the same images. Dany has been losing it, piece by piece, for years. I never believed that she would just accomplish her goal of winning the throne and being a benevolent ruler happily ever after, and anyone that did think that hasn't been watching the same show that I have. Expectations of happy endings have been subverted since the first season (or even the first episode)

Nailed it.

There's a lady in my office this morning telling us that the reason they 'did' this to Dany was that she was a strong woman figure and they couldn't 'allow' a strong woman figure to 'win' the iron throne. They 'had' to make her go crazy and become evil and that this was a direct shot at women in general. :facepalm:
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:22:02 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 13, 2019, 07:58:30 AM
A reasonable dark horse is Bran. because they're trying very hard to make us forget he exists or is in the vicinity of the throne

I think they've had Bran say on multiple occasions that he is 'no one', he can't even be Lord of Winterfell. I don't see Bran coming into play at all.

this has all the signs of Jon taking out Dany.....becoming King for a Day then abdicating his throne to Sansa.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 08:24:07 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:19:37 AM
There's a lady in my office this morning telling us that the reason they 'did' this to Dany was that she was a strong woman figure and they couldn't 'allow' a strong woman figure to 'win' the iron throne. They 'had' to make her go crazy and become evil and that this was a direct shot at women in general. :facepalm:

I really, really, really hate when people do this to the show, as if it has some obligation to go with the flow of our world's current sociopolitical expectations, like it's not a work of fiction meant to depict the cruel nature of this harsh world.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 08:24:35 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 13, 2019, 07:58:30 AM
A reasonable dark horse is Bran. because they're trying very hard to make us forget he exists or is in the vicinity of the throne

I think they've had Bran say on multiple occasions that he is 'no one', he can't even be Lord of Winterfell. I don't see Bran coming into play at all.

this has all the signs of Jon taking out Dany.....becoming King for a Day then abdicating his throne to Sansa.

I don't think Bran is a dark horse when betting sites have or had him as the safest bet :lol (it was brought up in the latest alt shift x video which is how I know this) but I do think something about Dany not being on the throne (likely because she is killed) and Jon choosing not to and living beyond the wall could be the real deal.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:28:30 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 08:24:07 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:19:37 AM
There's a lady in my office this morning telling us that the reason they 'did' this to Dany was that she was a strong woman figure and they couldn't 'allow' a strong woman figure to 'win' the iron throne. They 'had' to make her go crazy and become evil and that this was a direct shot at women in general. :facepalm:

I really, really, really hate when people do this to the show, as if it has some obligation to go with the flow of our world's current sociopolitical expectations, like it's not a work of fiction meant to depict the cruel nature of this harsh world.

Dude....I literally turned my back on her and walked away as she was still speaking. (there were two other people there...but I wasn't sticking around for that conversation) And, this is someone who we've had many great conversations about this show and others. She was literally almost in tears as she was spouting this stuff....saying she can't believe they'd do that to Dany's character???
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 08:29:18 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 08:24:07 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:19:37 AM
There's a lady in my office this morning telling us that the reason they 'did' this to Dany was that she was a strong woman figure and they couldn't 'allow' a strong woman figure to 'win' the iron throne. They 'had' to make her go crazy and become evil and that this was a direct shot at women in general. :facepalm:

I really, really, really hate when people do this to the show, as if it has some obligation to go with the flow of our world's current sociopolitical expectations, like it's not a work of fiction meant to depict the cruel nature of this harsh world.

Dude....I literally turned my back on her and walked away as she was still speaking. (there were two other people there...but I wasn't sticking around for that conversation) And, this is someone who we've had many great conversations about this show and others. She was literally almost in tears as she was spouting this stuff....saying she can't believe they'd do that to Dany's character???

Wow. Just wow. Someone clearly did not pay attention to this show. Like... did she forget all about Slaver's Bay? :lol
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 08:29:50 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:19:37 AM
There's a lady in my office this morning telling us that the reason they 'did' this to Dany was that she was a strong woman figure and they couldn't 'allow' a strong woman figure to 'win' the iron throne. They 'had' to make her go crazy and become evil and that this was a direct shot at women in general. :facepalm:
I find complaints like this (and even more nuanced and intelligent versions of the same point) really frustrating because they completely ignore the whole load of strong women in the show who aren't brutal power-hungry maniacs.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 08:31:10 AM: best death... qyburn. That was an awesome push from the Mountain and then seeing his dead body as Cersei just walks away and then cleganebowl began was :corn
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Post by: Podaar on May 13, 2019, 08:32:04 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
I thought the episode was fantastic. Best of the year by far.

I understand some of the criticism I have seen, but not others.

Some of the criticism of how Dany turned out seems like simple "not getting their way". This is almost certainly the way it was always going to end. The whole thing fits right in with the vision Dany had in, what, season 2? And also the vision that Bran had, that featured some of the same images. Dany has been losing it, piece by piece, for years. I never believed that she would just accomplish her goal of winning the throne and being a benevolent ruler happily ever after, and anyone that did think that hasn't been watching the same show that I have. Expectations of happy endings have been subverted since the first season (or even the first episode).

I also don't understand the criticism of how "Jaime's arc ended". He didn't have an arc. He didn't go from evil to good. He was always evil. He was always good. He was one of the most complex figures on the show, and like so many others, had his share of faults. He was always honorable and upstanding in most ways, except for the big blind spot in his vision that was Cersei. Around her, he couldn't help himself, but away from her, his more positive traits always came through. But she was the black hole from whose orbit he was incapable of extricating himself.

The Clegane battle was fantastic. And I'm glad that Arya got away. Hopefully she has a moderately happy ending (or at least a purposeful one, which may be the best that this world can give her).

Also, how Dany dealt with the scorpions actually made perfect sense. The weakness was that they are so huge that they are not easily maneuverable and take a while to reload, weaknesses that are mitigated when firing at a target caught unawares (as in the last episode). Dany attacked the fleet from above with the sun behind her, so they couldn't get clear shots, which enabled her to take them out fairly quickly. Likewise, the when she got to the city, they weren't pointed in the right directions, enabling her to take them out as well.

:tup I like this post a lot. It's very close to my thoughts.

As for where the show goes from here, I think it's possible that Dany has Drogon melt down the iron throne and she essentially tells Westeros, "I've destroyed the city of my ancestors. I've destroyed my throne. Targaryens are finished with this continent. I'm going back to Essos where I'm wanted and needed. Figure it out yourselves, you miserable fucks!" Loads up what remains of her armies and flies back to Meereen.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 08:33:08 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 08:31:10 AM
best death... qyburn. That was an awesome push from the Mountain and then seeing his dead body as Cersei just walks away and then cleganebowl began was :corn

Found this on Reddit (https://i.postimg.cc/5yR5YBFT/yqMni7r.jpg), you'll like it :lol I agree, I loved Qyburn's death. It felt really good to watch!
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Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 08:37:27 AM: :lol

There were quite a few times I was thinking of video games watching this
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Post by: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 08:52:25 AM: I'll share the sentiment of those who loved last night's episode. I thought it was very well done in pretty much every regard. As for next week, I don't see Dany making it. I think it will all come back around to the statement Eddard Stark made to Jon Snow in the first season. Paraphrasing, since I don't remember it exactly, but its about how every king/lord should personally meter out just punishment by him or herself. If you noticed, when Dany fried Varys, it was Drogon who killed him, not Dany. I thought that was foreshadowing of Dany's upcoming (I believe) death. Jon's look said it all. Next episode, he executes Dany. And he takes his place on the throne...or, he appoints a new King or Queen and leaves on his own accord (he's said repeatedly now how much he doesn't want it -- he may take it to appoint a new king/queen, and then depart for parts unknown). That's how I see it playing out. WHo knows, maybe Davos. :lol
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Post by: Adami on May 13, 2019, 08:54:37 AM: Ohhhh, what do you guys think Varys was writing in the beginning? I couldn't catch it all but I saw Eddard Stark written. He burnt the last one when he knew he was caught.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 08:55:59 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
Ohhhh, what do you guys think Varys was writing in the beginning? I couldn't catch it all but I saw Eddard Stark written. He burnt the last one when he knew he was caught.

I thought he was sending out multiple of the same message, telling the world who Jon Snow really is, and sending out ravens as fast as he could.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 08:57:50 AM: Quote from: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
Ohhhh, what do you guys think Varys was writing in the beginning? I couldn't catch it all but I saw Eddard Stark written. He burnt the last one when he knew he was caught.

I thought he was sending out multiple of the same message, telling the world who Jon Snow really is, and sending out ravens as fast as he could.

Yup, next episode all of Westeros should be aware of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:58:38 AM: Quote from: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
Ohhhh, what do you guys think Varys was writing in the beginning? I couldn't catch it all but I saw Eddard Stark written. He burnt the last one when he knew he was caught.

I thought he was sending out multiple of the same message, telling the world who Jon Snow really is, and sending out ravens as fast as he could.

Yeah....this is what I got from it. There was also a line about 'rightful heir'.....looks like Varys was sending out some old school texts to all those who'd listen. I think he knew he was a dead man and was just trying to let it be know to as many as possible. Hence his conversation with the young child......
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 09:00:06 AM: Part of me really hopes the very end of the show is Jon refusing the throne once and for all and actually leaving Westeros to live in the 'real North' with Tormund and whatever wildlings are left. And maybe he just ventures far enough north to find that altar/ice palace of the Night King's, and... ??? :lol dun dun dunnn
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 09:00:49 AM: Quote from: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
Ohhhh, what do you guys think Varys was writing in the beginning? I couldn't catch it all but I saw Eddard Stark written. He burnt the last one when he knew he was caught.

I thought he was sending out multiple of the same message, telling the world who Jon Snow really is, and sending out ravens as fast as he could.
Yeah it was definitely about Jon Snow being the true heir.

I didn't twig that he was sending out multiple ravens and when he burned it before he was taken away, I thought maybe that was it, but on reflection you're probably right, as that's what he was doing way back in season 1 and which ultimately kicked off the whole game of thrones. So there's a nice symmetry to it, if that's what he was doing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 09:13:46 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:25:46 AM
Quote from: lordxizor on May 13, 2019, 06:20:53 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:16:55 AM
but it definitely felt like some shots were all/mostly random innocents and that she was just killing everyone.
That's because she was just killing everyone. She wiped out the entire city.

When she was speaking with Jon earlier and decided that since no one in Westeros loves her that she would have to lead by fear, she obviously convinced herself that wiping out the whole city was the only way to strike fear in the hearts of all of Westeros so they would follow her.
Ah yeah, I forgot about that scene. Good point. My initial interpretation is probably wrong in that case and she really went completely off the deep end. Jeez.

Thinking about it now, a season or two ago, when she began actively talking about returning to Westeros to take her throne, there were discussions among some characters (can't remember who but probably involving Tyrion and Varys) about whether the people would accept her considering they don't know her.
A further thought on this. Helping to defeat the Night King/White Walkers was supposed to be part of her strategy for winning the love/respect of the people of Westeros. I'm not saying that was necessarily her only reason for doing it but it was a factor. But it failed to do that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 09:23:38 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 09:13:46 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:25:46 AM
Quote from: lordxizor on May 13, 2019, 06:20:53 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:16:55 AM
but it definitely felt like some shots were all/mostly random innocents and that she was just killing everyone.
That's because she was just killing everyone. She wiped out the entire city.

When she was speaking with Jon earlier and decided that since no one in Westeros loves her that she would have to lead by fear, she obviously convinced herself that wiping out the whole city was the only way to strike fear in the hearts of all of Westeros so they would follow her.
Ah yeah, I forgot about that scene. Good point. My initial interpretation is probably wrong in that case and she really went completely off the deep end. Jeez.

Thinking about it now, a season or two ago, when she began actively talking about returning to Westeros to take her throne, there were discussions among some characters (can't remember who but probably involving Tyrion and Varys) about whether the people would accept her considering they don't know her.
A further thought on this. Helping to defeat the Night King/White Walkers was supposed to be part of her strategy for winning the love/respect of the people of Westeros. I'm not saying that was necessarily her only reason for doing it but it was a factor. But it failed to do that.

I think the show kind of referenced this when showing Tormund just obsessing over Jon and giving him all the accolades after the battle for Winterfell since he was riding a dragon too. Seems the people just naturally went to Jon which kind of lead to Dany feeling the same way Viserys felt when he saw Dany getting the love in season 1 that he thought he was owed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 09:31:45 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 09:13:46 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:25:46 AM
Quote from: lordxizor on May 13, 2019, 06:20:53 AM
Quote from: ariich on May 13, 2019, 06:16:55 AM
but it definitely felt like some shots were all/mostly random innocents and that she was just killing everyone.
That's because she was just killing everyone. She wiped out the entire city.

When she was speaking with Jon earlier and decided that since no one in Westeros loves her that she would have to lead by fear, she obviously convinced herself that wiping out the whole city was the only way to strike fear in the hearts of all of Westeros so they would follow her.
Ah yeah, I forgot about that scene. Good point. My initial interpretation is probably wrong in that case and she really went completely off the deep end. Jeez.

Thinking about it now, a season or two ago, when she began actively talking about returning to Westeros to take her throne, there were discussions among some characters (can't remember who but probably involving Tyrion and Varys) about whether the people would accept her considering they don't know her.
A further thought on this. Helping to defeat the Night King/White Walkers was supposed to be part of her strategy for winning the love/respect of the people of Westeros. I'm not saying that was necessarily her only reason for doing it but it was a factor. But it failed to do that.

I think the show kind of referenced this when showing Tormund just obsessing over Jon and giving him all the accolades after the battle for Winterfell since he was riding a dragon too. Seems the people just naturally went to Jon which kind of lead to Dany feeling the same way Viserys felt when he saw Dany getting the love in season 1 that he thought he was owed.
Yeah exactly. And it's understandable, Jon had spent years doing so much for all of them and built up a huge amount of trust.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 09:49:00 AM: Still reflecting on that episode a bit (really need to watch this again soon) and it was just awesome to watch Dany and Drogon take it to what was supposed to be a neutralizing armada and system (in the scorpions) I love how they used the sunlight and low approaches by Dany and Drogon to render the fleet mute.....and the attack on the fixed scorpions on the walls were beautifully done as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2019, 10:00:30 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 08:58:38 AM
Quote from: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
Ohhhh, what do you guys think Varys was writing in the beginning? I couldn't catch it all but I saw Eddard Stark written. He burnt the last one when he knew he was caught.

I thought he was sending out multiple of the same message, telling the world who Jon Snow really is, and sending out ravens as fast as he could.

Yeah....this is what I got from it. There was also a line about 'rightful heir'.....looks like Varys was sending out some old school texts to all those who'd listen. I think he knew he was a dead man and was just trying to let it be know to as many as possible. Hence his conversation with the young child......
This. I imagine that copies were sent to the new Prince of Dorne and to the maesters at the Citadel in Oldtowne.

I think there will be an inevitable showdown between Jon and Dany, who will probably order his death by dragonfire, and Drogon will either refuse (since he is also a Targaryen) or will otherwise be stopped from doing anything, perhaps by Jon himself.

I hope that Jon winds up being able to retire to the North.

I would love to see Davos wind up with the throne (if anyone), but I won't be that lucky.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:01:54 AM: Drogon tries to torch Jon. Jon is unburnt. Walks out naked. Has gigantic package. People all bow to the new king for obvious phallic reasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 10:02:38 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Drogon tries to torch Jon. Jon is unburnt. Walks out naked. Has gigantic package. People all bow to the new king for obvious phallic reasons.

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 10:08:20 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Drogon tries to torch Jon. Jon is unburnt. Walks out naked. Has gigantic package. People all bow to the new king for obvious phallic reasons.

He's then deemed 'The Three Armed King'......
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 10:09:00 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Drogon tries to torch Jon. Jon is unburnt. Walks out naked. Has gigantic package. People all bow to the new king for obvious phallic reasons.
That's the first 15 minutes of the episode. The remaining hour is just a close-up of him.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 10:08:20 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Drogon tries to torch Jon. Jon is unburnt. Walks out naked. Has gigantic package. People all bow to the new king for obvious phallic reasons.

He's then deemed 'The Three Armed King'......
Three-Legged, surely?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:10:58 AM: Gets renamed Jon the Impaler.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DragonAttack on May 13, 2019, 11:49:30 AM: :D

Watched with the wife, took a while to exhale (Hey, man! Wait a second...let me catch my breath.....), and then I watched it again without the nonstop intensity. We will no doubt watch it once or twice before next Sunday.

Sure, I wish there were more, shorter episodes to get some of the background. Then again, people complain that extra dialogue causes the show to drag. :facepalm:

The episode was superb. It all fit in with what's been presented for the past seven years as far as characters. And, as to Dany: Tyrion has been wrong on numerous strategies of late, she no longer trusts his judgment, her two confidents are no longer around to reign her in, so she went opposite of his advice into full 'Mad King'.

One little thing throughout the years that I guessd (observed) will prove true. It is not snow falling upon the Iron Throne, but ash.

('Better Call Saul' better be on soon......my only remaining 'obsession' show after next week :sad:)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2019, 12:11:17 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Drogon tries to torch Jon. Jon is unburnt. Walks out naked. Has gigantic package. People all bow to the new king for obvious phallic reasons.

I have kind of assumed at some point a serious plot point will be Drogon refusing an order to torch Jon. Like, I have no clue how that works, or if the dragons have a special connection to the true heir or are forced to obey or whatever, but being Drogon was the reason Danny was able to strike fear and turn everyone against her, it would be a fitting end if Drogon refusing her was the turning point against her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 12:23:29 PM: Quote from: Nick on May 13, 2019, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Drogon tries to torch Jon. Jon is unburnt. Walks out naked. Has gigantic package. People all bow to the new king for obvious phallic reasons.

I have kind of assumed at some point a serious plot point will be Drogon refusing an order to torch Jon. Like, I have no clue how that works, or if the dragons have a special connection to the true heir or are forced to obey or whatever, but being Drogon was the reason Danny was able to strike fear and turn everyone against her, it would be a fitting end if Drogon refusing her was the turning point against her.

I think that scene of Jon and Drogon meeting last season was very significant. Not only does Jon reach out and lay his hand on Drogons nose/face.....they intentionally had a close up of Drogons eye 'looking' at Jon and there was a reaction of sorts in it. I think he (Drogon) knows Jon is the true male heir (however that works) and will lead to him ignoring Dany and siding with Jon.

Or it allows Jon to get close enough to chop his freaking head off. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 13, 2019, 01:15:23 PM: Even though it falls under the "unrealistic strategy!" category of complaints which I'm usually pretty forgiving of, the effectiveness of the dragon against the scorpions and vice versa still bothered me a lot when watching the episode and stuck with me afterwards. I think in isolation it was fine - the dragon swooped down from almost directly above with the sun behind it which is a good idea, it took out most of the ones from behind where there was little chance to hit it. But it's that scene in the fourth episode. I didn't think it was a great scene, but like I said I'm normally pretty forgiving of the complaints centred on the realism of battle logistics, and this series never had naval strategy as a cornerstone. I can accept that the CGI shots of dragons in the air and ships in the water didn't quite add up to a realistic practical scenario. But, the idea it conveyed was pretty clear - these scorpions can quite easily shoot a dragon down. Yes you can dodge them but you have to be careful. But in this episode - yes, the initial divebomb was well executed, but afterwards it seemed the dragon was just able to fly around with impunity even though it didn't seem very different to the scenario in episode 4. Except this time the scorpions were just so slow and it looked like they'd barely even be able to shoot against a moving target. Being generous, it just retroactively makes that scene in episode 4 far worse, because even the fundamental idea it shows now seems ridiculous rather than it just being in the details. But even though this action scene was much better directed I can't help it that it came after the one in episode 4, so this portrayal did suffer because of that.

It seems even more clear that Euron should never have been able to shoot down Rhaegal from far away from out of shot. Have Daenerys or the others spot the Iron Fleet approaching, then have Drogon be able to easily manoeuvre away from them, but Rhaegal very clearly unable to get away because of his injury, and maybe after being hit once it could be more of a horrifying, sad, death as the injured dragon struggles to slowly fly away and is shot again by multiple bolts. That'd keep the scorpions much more consistent between episodes and seems a very fair trade for the "surprise!" factor of Rhaegal being brought down from off screen.

But, that's a lot said about that specific point just because it was too glaring for me. Other than that a lot of the action in the episode was solid, and I'm fine with the overall direction of the character arcs. I'm of the opinion Daenerys' path is pretty well foreshadowed in the show and the books, it was still pretty rushed and abrupt in the last couple of episodes but to be honest that's just the nature of the show since season 7. Of the big ones, only Jaime's end is something I'm a lot more ambivalent about. In some ways I appreciate it, in some ways it was a frustrating end but then part of that feels like it's a success for it to be frustrating. While I definitely liked him finally breaking away from Cersei, I didn't see him still having feelings for her as undercutting his redemption as it's a complicated relationship. I can't say it's the way I thought it'd go down when he met her but the circumstances were quite different than I expected.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 01:22:49 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: Nick on May 13, 2019, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 10:01:54 AM
Drogon tries to torch Jon. Jon is unburnt. Walks out naked. Has gigantic package. People all bow to the new king for obvious phallic reasons.

I have kind of assumed at some point a serious plot point will be Drogon refusing an order to torch Jon. Like, I have no clue how that works, or if the dragons have a special connection to the true heir or are forced to obey or whatever, but being Drogon was the reason Danny was able to strike fear and turn everyone against her, it would be a fitting end if Drogon refusing her was the turning point against her.

I think that scene of Jon and Drogon meeting last season was very significant. Not only does Jon reach out and lay his hand on Drogons nose/face.....they intentionally had a close up of Drogons eye 'looking' at Jon and there was a reaction of sorts in it. I think he (Drogon) knows Jon is the true male heir (however that works) and will lead to him ignoring Dany and siding with Jon.

Or it allows Jon to get close enough to chop his freaking head off. :lol

Jon having more dragon power would make this move make more sense too :lol

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 01:23:24 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 13, 2019, 01:15:23 PM
Even though it falls under the "unrealistic strategy!" category of complaints which I'm usually pretty forgiving of, the effectiveness of the dragon against the scorpions and vice versa still bothered me a lot when watching the episode and stuck with me afterwards. I think in isolation it was fine - the dragon swooped down from almost directly above with the sun behind it which is a good idea, it took out most of the ones from behind where there was little chance to hit it. But it's that scene in the fourth episode. I didn't think it was a great scene, but like I said I'm normally pretty forgiving of the complaints centred on the realism of battle logistics, and this series never had naval strategy as a cornerstone. I can accept that the CGI shots of dragons in the air and ships in the water didn't quite add up to a realistic practical scenario. But, the idea it conveyed was pretty clear - these scorpions can quite easily shoot a dragon down. Yes you can dodge them but you have to be careful. But in this episode - yes, the initial divebomb was well executed, but afterwards it seemed the dragon was just able to fly around with impunity even though it didn't seem very different to the scenario in episode 4. Except this time the scorpions were just so slow and it looked like they'd barely even be able to shoot against a moving target. Being generous, it just retroactively makes that scene in episode 4 far worse, because even the fundamental idea it shows now seems ridiculous rather than it just being in the details. But even though this action scene was much better directed I can't help it that it came after the one in episode 4, so this portrayal did suffer because of that.

I 'get' what you're saying....but....

I took it as the old Mike Tyson saying "Everyone has a plan until your punched in the nose". Just like with fire arms training.....a standing target and time to shoot you'll get a good shot off....but throw some adrenaline in there along with a 'target' that is in pursuit or fleeing....you're not going to be accurate. Plus, Dany/Drogon used low trajectory approaches as well....constantly weaving in and out.....that, coupled with the fact these guys were watching the ships next to them literally blow up....i have no issues believing that attack. She/he were on a mission and they conveyed a beautiful mastery of a determined dragon rider and a fully grown dragons power/skill.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 01:27:53 PM: I know some were bummed that Arya didn't get to kill Cersei, but the way I see it, she has 3 of the 5 most satisfying kills on the show (Walder Frey, Littlefinger and the Night King), so she doesn't have to be a total ball hog, right?

And of course the other 2 of the top 5 satisfying kills are obviously Ramsay and Joffrey.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 01:29:27 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
And of course the other 2 of the top 5 satisfying kills are obviously Ramsay and Joffrey.

Ramsay's may be my favorite of the show. That was freaking awesome......
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 13, 2019, 01:32:45 PM: Tywin's is in my top-5 list as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 01:41:51 PM: Tywin's was awesome, largely because he deserved it, and because the scene was so brilliantly acted by both Dinklage and Charles Dance, but I hated to see Tywin go. He was such a bad ass character. Every scene he was was money because of him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 01:45:51 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
And of course the other 2 of the top 5 satisfying kills are obviously Ramsay and Joffrey.

Ramsay's may be my favorite of the show. That was freaking awesome......

I have trouble with Ramsay's. Don't get me wrong, I love that he finally died and nobody had to suffer at his hands anymore, but... that kind of death is so gruesome for Sansa to hand someone. Yes, it was the person who raped her, killed her brother, etc. but subjecting even Ramsay to a death by starving hounds while tied to a chair and bloodied is pretty freaking horrible. She could have just slit his throat, and it would have been swift and just, much more in the manner of the Starks imo.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 13, 2019, 01:47:26 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
And of course the other 2 of the top 5 satisfying kills are obviously Ramsay and Joffrey.

Ramsay's may be my favorite of the show. That was freaking awesome......

I have trouble with Ramsay's. Don't get me wrong, I love that he finally died and nobody had to suffer at his hands anymore, but... that kind of death is so gruesome for Sansa to hand someone. Yes, it was the person who raped her, killed her brother, etc. but subjecting even Ramsay to a death by starving hounds while tied to a chair and bloodied is pretty freaking horrible. She could have just slit his throat, and it would have been swift and just, much more in the manner of the Starks imo.

Yeah, but it was confirmed earlier this season that she doesn't know how to use a knife.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 01:48:37 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 13, 2019, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
And of course the other 2 of the top 5 satisfying kills are obviously Ramsay and Joffrey.

Ramsay's may be my favorite of the show. That was freaking awesome......

I have trouble with Ramsay's. Don't get me wrong, I love that he finally died and nobody had to suffer at his hands anymore, but... that kind of death is so gruesome for Sansa to hand someone. Yes, it was the person who raped her, killed her brother, etc. but subjecting even Ramsay to a death by starving hounds while tied to a chair and bloodied is pretty freaking horrible. She could have just slit his throat, and it would have been swift and just, much more in the manner of the Starks imo.

Yeah, but it was confirmed earlier this season that she doesn't know how to use a knife.

:facepalm: :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 01:53:53 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
And of course the other 2 of the top 5 satisfying kills are obviously Ramsay and Joffrey.

Ramsay's may be my favorite of the show. That was freaking awesome......

I have trouble with Ramsay's. Don't get me wrong, I love that he finally died and nobody had to suffer at his hands anymore, but... that kind of death is so gruesome for Sansa to hand someone. Yes, it was the person who raped her, killed her brother, etc. but subjecting even Ramsay to a death by starving hounds while tied to a chair and bloodied is pretty freaking horrible. She could have just slit his throat, and it would have been swift and just, much more in the manner of the Starks imo.

I get what you're saying but I think that was the moment she turned into the Sansa we see today.....she's seen how the world treats the 'honor' of the Starks.....they take advantage of it. She chose to make a point of which I'm sure the news traveled the lands. I thought it was great that she didn't give him an 'easy' death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 02:14:27 PM: With Arya telling the Hound when they left Winterfell that she didn't plan on coming back....could that hint at her returning to Jaqen to finally finish her pursuit of becoming no one?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 13, 2019, 02:15:33 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 02:14:27 PM
With Arya telling the Hound when they left Winterfell that she didn't plan on coming back....could that hint at her returning to Jaqen to finally finish her pursuit of becoming no one?

Nah, I feel like she gave up that goal in this episode. The hound gave her his pep talk and then she was just trying to help people. Very antithetical to being no one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on May 13, 2019, 02:17:06 PM: I do wonder, after witnessing what Dany did, if Arya has murder in her heart now...in spite of the Hound's pep talk.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 13, 2019, 02:21:02 PM: Quote from: Podaar on May 13, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
I do wonder, after witnessing what Dany did, if Arya has murder in her heart now...in spite of the Hound's pep talk.

I saw it as she saw the horrors of where her life of revenge was taking her. She saw thousands of innocents die because of Dany decided revenge was (suddenly) the most important thing. So I doubt she learned nothing from that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on May 13, 2019, 02:23:06 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: Podaar on May 13, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
I do wonder, after witnessing what Dany did, if Arya has murder in her heart now...in spite of the Hound's pep talk.

I saw it as she saw the horrors of where her life of revenge was taking her. She saw thousands of innocents die because of Dany decided revenge was (suddenly) the most important thing. So I doubt she learned nothing from that.

Good point. I need to rewatch the episode. I was still shell shocked when we had the Arya scene at the end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 13, 2019, 02:24:23 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 01:23:24 PM
I 'get' what you're saying....but....

I took it as the old Mike Tyson saying "Everyone has a plan until your punched in the nose". Just like with fire arms training.....a standing target and time to shoot you'll get a good shot off....but throw some adrenaline in there along with a 'target' that is in pursuit or fleeing....you're not going to be accurate. Plus, Dany/Drogon used low trajectory approaches as well....constantly weaving in and out.....that, coupled with the fact these guys were watching the ships next to them literally blow up....i have no issues believing that attack. She/he were on a mission and they conveyed a beautiful mastery of a determined dragon rider and a fully grown dragons power/skill.
Yeah, if it was just this episode and this scene in isolation it'd probably be fine, it did show the difficulty of Euron trying to turn to aim in a different direction after he missed with the first shot. It's just how extreme the difference is between the scorpions in the previous episode and this episode. I mean, in the entire scene of Daenerys attacking the Iron Fleet in episode 5, Euron's scorpion is the only one that shoots a bolt and in the 40 seconds between Daenerys coming in range and the shot ending (all one shot) it manages to shoot twice. So there's only one scorpion bolt every 20 seconds. Meanwhile in episode 4, Rhaegal is hit by three bolts in just under 10 seconds, and when Daenerys flies at Euron's fleet there are ~9 scorpion bolts fired towards her simultaneously. So while Daenerys' tactics were fine, and it makes sense that because she was able to strike first they were slower to react, it was just so striking that the main difference was that the rate of fire from the fleet was just so much lower. It wasn't like we saw a bunch of scorpion bolts flying and missing her - there just didn't seem to be anyone actually attempting to shoot her.

But, the scene in episode 5 was better directed and felt like a more realistic portrayal, I'd rather accept that as the definitive portrayal of scorpions attempting to hit a dragon, and the scene from episode 4 as the ridiculous outlier.

Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
I know some were bummed that Arya didn't get to kill Cersei, but the way I see it, she has 3 of the 5 most satisfying kills on the show (Walder Frey, Littlefinger and the Night King), so she doesn't have to be a total ball hog, right?
Yeah I found Arya's scene with the Hound much more satisfying than her just killing Cersei. Sometimes you can get behind a character having nothing left other than revenge against this one person, but that just wasn't the case for Arya and that's basically what the Hound told her - she didn't need to follow through with this for Cersei.

I think I said earlier in this thread, Arya didn't really have that personal a connection with Cersei. Obviously Cersei indirectly caused Ned's death because of their conflict but Joffrey was the clearer perpetrator of that one. So she was on the list of people that would be cool to see killing Cersei, but like you said after killing several other of the series big villains it'd be overkill for her to get Cersei too. And it wouldn't be as meaningful an end for Cersei.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 13, 2019, 02:54:38 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5j0Ofob1Xs

I don't always agree with this guy, but he summed up a lot of my big complaints in a pretty good (and concise) way. So I'm just posting that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 03:11:43 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: Podaar on May 13, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
I do wonder, after witnessing what Dany did, if Arya has murder in her heart now...in spite of the Hound's pep talk.

I saw it as she saw the horrors of where her life of revenge was taking her. She saw thousands of innocents die because of Dany decided revenge was (suddenly) the most important thing. So I doubt she learned nothing from that.
For sure, but that also doesn't mean she wouldn't still kill to protect others.

Read a good theory that maybe the song of ice and fire is about her, and that everyone has assumed it's Jon Snow (as both Stark and Targaryen) to reconcile both ice and fire in peace/harmony/whatever but actually Arya is the prince who was promised and the song is about her destroying both ice (Night King) and fire (Dragon Queen) to protect the realm.

No idea if it's accurate but it's a nice idea and would fit with the last thing Melisandre said to Arya.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:25:41 PM: Aaaand I've seen it to.

As always with this season, it's a mixed bag - where the visual, the cinematography, the acting, the music is all top notch, the story itself leaves a lot to be desired.

Well, maybe not "a lot", given the two previous episodes, this followed accordingly and there were no major headscratchers. I was just underwhelmed at how the issue of Dany being ad disadvantage was resolved - "Oh no, she's down to one dragon, scorpions are everywhere, what's left of her army is weaker, what shall she do? how can she win?" Answer: she single handedly destroys all of her enemies with fire. D'uh. Just like that.

Yes, as I've read in the previous pages, her tactics were fine - I didn't think of it, I agree that pulling a Red Baron and have the sun blinding the fleet and then coming from behind the scorpions on the walls is logical. But, there's a jarring tonal difference going from "Euron shoots a dragon while not beeing seen from the air" to "Dany single handedly wins the war with a dragon we all should have feared for".

Also, she destroyed the walls and the army, the city surrenders, she's sitting on Drogon that does NOT fire on people (I thought she was going to yell "fear not people, your rightful queen is here, her enemies are gone and you have nothing to fear anymore!"), she hears the bells and she has a tearful smile, like "I did it. I won it. I won the war", her lifequest accomplished. But then she remebers that she's supposed to go mad and there's only one episode left and she goes "ah, fuck it" and proceed to carpet bombing all of the city. D'uh. I guess the voiceover at the beginning about the Targaryens being nuts will have to do, sigh. That and Dany saying that she will have to rule with fear, well, I guess everyone was afraid already of the dragon, I know there's no point in making parallels with real history but the japanese DID fear the USA after two atomic bombings, it's not that there was the need to carpet bombing all of Japan with nukes after their surrender!

Loved Arya being talked out of her need for revenge. As soon as she openly stated she was going to kill the queen, I knew she wouldn't get Cersei.

Jaimie dying a lovesick puppy.... bah.

Cersei herself... I've spent almost 8 years hating that spiteful, arrogant, hateful spoiled bitch and they let her die making me almost sorry for her? I won't contend that dying alone, powerless and in tears at the thought of the life of her unborn child isn't fitting punishment, and Lena Headey is absolutely fantastic, but I wanted to enjoy her death like I did with Joffrey and Ramsay.

Euron as was said above had the most "doesn't matter, had sex" death of them all.

And LOL at Cersei nope-ing herself out of the Cleaganbowl.... she just knew Sandor would let her pass, 'cause he was there for his brother :lol what a cruel way to have his eyes bashed in like Oberyn, I didn't need to rethink of that!

I will have to think long and hard how much Dany's sudden turn makes sense. I fully believe that's what will happen in the books, but I'm convinced it will make sense over the proper development. It won't be "Ok Tyrion, I agree that if the city surrenders, the fight is over" and mass genocide in the same episode (or chapter).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 13, 2019, 03:27:32 PM: Quote from: DragonAttack on May 13, 2019, 11:49:30 AM
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Username checks out.. :lol

A lot to digest in this episode. Some of it felt a bit unsatisfying, but need time to let it sink in.

It would appear that Dany has gone full Anakin.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 03:29:30 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:25:41 PM
Dany's sudden turn

Not directly talking to you about this, but I'm going to pop a blood vessel if I keep seeing this online. They spent 8 seasons leading up to this point; it's felt a bit rushed in season 8, but all of the foundation is right there in the show for the events of last night. They don't have to make logical sense objectively, they have to make sense from a character's point of view, and they absolutely make sense for Dany, there's nothing sudden about this at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 03:30:52 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:25:41 PM
Dany's sudden turn

Not directly talking to you about this, but I'm going to pop a blood vessel if I keep seeing this online. They spent 8 seasons leading up to this point; it's felt a bit rushed in season 8, but all of the foundation is right there in the show for the events of last night. They don't have to make logical sense objectively, they have to make sense from a character's point of view, and they absolutely make sense for Dany, there's nothing sudden about this at all.
Haha that exact phrase in MM's otherwise solid post also really bugged me. o/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:34:51 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:25:41 PM
Dany's sudden turn

Not directly talking to you about this, but I'm going to pop a blood vessel if I keep seeing this online. They spent 8 seasons leading up to this point; it's felt a bit rushed in season 8, but all of the foundation is right there in the show for the events of last night. They don't have to make logical sense objectively, they have to make sense from a character's point of view, and they absolutely make sense for Dany, there's nothing sudden about this at all.

Well, I guess my opinion over this will change through time, after a rewatch and more discussions and readings online. For now I think that yes, the *foundations* were laid, but as you said it was all suddenly rushed. It's not that she didn't care for the collateral damage - she won the siege by herself (fleet gone, walls with scorpions gone), and then she deliberately destroyed all the city. She could have flown to the Red Keep, destroy only that and the city would be hers anyway. But instead, she destroyed the town on purpouse, when there was no need anymore for it. Dead people don't fear anymore, you might want to leave someone alive to fear you, even if you want to rule with fear....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 03:36:49 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:25:41 PM
Dany's sudden turn

Not directly talking to you about this, but I'm going to pop a blood vessel if I keep seeing this online. They spent 8 seasons leading up to this point; it's felt a bit rushed in season 8, but all of the foundation is right there in the show for the events of last night. They don't have to make logical sense objectively, they have to make sense from a character's point of view, and they absolutely make sense for Dany, there's nothing sudden about this at all.

Well, I guess my opinion over this will change through time, after a rewatch and more discussions and readings online. For now I think that yes, the *foundations* were laid, but as you said it was all suddenly rushed. It's not that she didn't care for the collateral damage - she won the siege by herself (fleet gone, walls with scorpions gone), and then she deliberately destroyed all the city. She could have flown to the Red Keep, destroy only that and the city would be hers anyway. But instead, she destroyed the town on purpouse, when there was no need anymore for it. Dead people don't fear anymore, you might want to leave someone alive to fear you, even if you want to rule with fear....

She could have, but again, she had the conversation with Jon earlier, and she had already decided in her state of rage and frustration (and to some extent, humiliation) that she will not be able to rule with love, but with fear. Unfortunately it looks like she's not going to be able to rule anything, because her own fear has led to the destruction of an entire city. Her logic is this: if I can't have it, nobody will. And that's all that matters at this point to her.

Sorry MM, didn't mean to gloss over the rest of your post which is well thought out and has lots of good observations. I just really dislike this take on Dany from a lot of the community, because if anything, this should be one of the obvious story beats. Just out of curiosity, did anyone actually expect her to take the city without force? From the beginning of the show I had assumed a dragon queen would eventually conquer a foreign land with... well, with fire and blood. The events of her arc just kind of reinforced that for me.

EDIT: I'm just gonna sit myself in front of the TV again tonight and keep quiet :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zantera on May 13, 2019, 03:45:47 PM: I mean the writing is so bad though. I don't know if sudden is the right word because it implies it came as a surprise which I think is a bit false. I'd say this whole season they've pushed Dany into becoming the villain more and more with each episode so I wasn't surprised at all, but I'd say it comes out of left field as they spent 7 seasons building her up as the good queen, who always seemed to follow the words of "im NOT my father" and "theres no point ruling if the kingdom is ashes". Personally I like the character change in theory but in execution it just comes off so rushed to me.

My heart goes out to all the young girls who rooted for Dany since season 1 who got to see their hero turn into the biggest monster in TV history in terms of civilian kills. :hat
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2019, 03:50:04 PM: I think all this suddenness ties into Jorah and Missendei dying (the only people she trusted), Tyrion consistently failing and seeming to always give Cersei a second chance, and then the Jon betrayal was the icing on the cake. It all happened so quickly for us viewers. I think they mentioned something about Dany being locked away without seeing anyone for some time so this was brewing inside her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:52:23 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2019, 03:25:41 PM
Dany's sudden turn

Not directly talking to you about this, but I'm going to pop a blood vessel if I keep seeing this online. They spent 8 seasons leading up to this point; it's felt a bit rushed in season 8, but all of the foundation is right there in the show for the events of last night. They don't have to make logical sense objectively, they have to make sense from a character's point of view, and they absolutely make sense for Dany, there's nothing sudden about this at all.

Well, I guess my opinion over this will change through time, after a rewatch and more discussions and readings online. For now I think that yes, the *foundations* were laid, but as you said it was all suddenly rushed. It's not that she didn't care for the collateral damage - she won the siege by herself (fleet gone, walls with scorpions gone), and then she deliberately destroyed all the city. She could have flown to the Red Keep, destroy only that and the city would be hers anyway. But instead, she destroyed the town on purpouse, when there was no need anymore for it. Dead people don't fear anymore, you might want to leave someone alive to fear you, even if you want to rule with fear....

She could have, but again, she had the conversation with Jon earlier, and she had already decided in her state of rage and frustration (and to some extent, humiliation) that she will not be able to rule with love, but with fear. Unfortunately it looks like she's not going to be able to rule anything, because her own fear has led to the destruction of an entire city. Her logic is this: if I can't have it, nobody will. And that's all that matters at this point to her.

Sorry MM, didn't mean to gloss over the rest of your post which is well thought out and has lots of good observations. I just really dislike this take on Dany from a lot of the community, because if anything, this should be one of the obvious story beats. Just out of curiosity, did anyone actually expect her to take the city without force? From the beginning of the show I had assumed a dragon queen would eventually conquer a foreign land with... well, with fire and blood. The events of her arc just kind of reinforced that for me.

No need to be sorry Kattelox, we're just discussing :tup and well, conquering a town with fire and blood is exactly what she did. Destroyed the fleet, destroyed the anti dragon walls, her army conquered the city, it was all done. All she had to do was fly to the Red Keep and destroy it but that's when she activated her "Burn them all" mode.

Also, I've seen some wildfire exploding - it could have been more interesting and tragic if she DID target only the Reed Keep, but accidentally and unbknowingly set up some wildfire aflame which would have then burnt a big portion of the city. With people turning on her because of a tragic fatality. That maybe could have been a better turning point, as in "Screw it, they were all hating me anyway, I'll really be the evil queen they think I am, no point anymore in explaining them it was an accident or try to win their love".

It's also weird how once she goes in full Targaryen mode, we never see her - just the dragon and the flames. We get bits of her during the attack, but once she decide to burn everything, we don't see her anymore. Probably a stylistic choice to de-personalize the attack and witness it from the people's point of view - just mindless destruction raining down from the sky. People during bombings didn't see either the pilots flying the planes.

Quote from: Zantera on May 13, 2019, 03:45:47 PM

My heart goes out to all the young girls who rooted for Dany since season 1 who got to see their hero turn into the biggest monster in TV history in terms of civilian kills. :hat

Think of all those young girls who actually are NAMED Daenerys, or even worse, Khaleesi :lol

"Why are you called Khaleesi?"
"I was named after the generic title of a girl in a TV show that in the end committed genocide" :rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 03:53:07 PM: Well, she's hardly a 'good' queen. She's crucified people, made mistakes learning how to be a ruler, and up and freaking left the city she became queen of to go conquer someone else's continent under perceived entitlement to a throne and land she's barely spent any time in as an adult. Good for the slaves she liberated, the Unsullied, etc.? Sure. For Westeros? Well that's a whole other story, you see how the North reacted to her... the people of Westeros know about the Targaryens.

What's that quote Martin has about writing? That the most interesting thing is the human heart in conflict with itself? Dany was never nor is she now a villain, but she did make one grievous mistake last night...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 03:54:51 PM: It's not sudden and it's not only this season. She's been on the path to potential villainy for ages and especially last season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 13, 2019, 03:55:21 PM: me: I'm glad I don't have to succumb to internet rage and argue with people just because they liked something I didn't
also me: just told a leading young home country playwright she must be a bad writer if she thinks this was well written :lol in my defense I don't really think she's good.

Think I might need to chill a bit. It just hit me hard that I know how this extremely personally important story will end but I will never get a journey there that makes sense to me. When I fill all the details in in my head and steelman every detail extra hard, yeah. I shouldn't have to do that though. Peace.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 13, 2019, 04:00:26 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 03:53:07 PM
Well, she's hardly a 'good' queen. She's crucified people, made mistakes learning how to be a ruler, and up and freaking left the city she became queen of to go conquer someone else's continent under perceived entitlement to a throne and land she's barely spent any time in as an adult. Good for the slaves she liberated, the Unsullied, etc.? Sure. For Westeros? Well that's a whole other story, you see how the North reacted to her... the people of Westeros know about the Targaryens.

What's that quote Martin has about writing? That the most interesting thing is the human heart in conflict with itself? Dany was never nor is she now a villain, but she did make one grievous mistake last night...
Bingo. Just because she kept saying she was or wanted to be a good queen, doesn't mean she ever was one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 13, 2019, 05:08:32 PM: I think this episode was pretty damn bad. Especially Jaime going this way pissed me off. Sure, in the end him succumbing to his love for Cersei could've been a beautifully tragic plot. Or him betraying Cersei while still loving her. It is not the direction the plot went in, but how they did it. It is just executed in the most piss poorly way I could've imagined. Since the whole Jaime arc was my favorite thing this season, one of the redeeming qualities outside of nice visuals and competent actors just got buried under a pile of rocks.

Also, I think it is just straight up silly to have those scorpions be manned by aimbots one episode and an episode later have them be completely innefective in broad daylight with a clear sky. At least have the siege at night or during weather with poor visibility or something. I gues Dany remembering her main enemies really made all that difference.

The internet is ripping this season a new one and for once I agree.

As I said before, I am entertained by the spectacle, but there are hundreds of mediocre blockbusters that offer nice action setpieces. Once the novelty of a tv series having similar production values wears off, all that remains is another mediocre blockbuster if the writing is of similar quality. Examples are films like The Great Wall, Robin Hood, those Snow White films, King Arthur, King Arthur: Legend of the Sword etc. I genuinely think this is not better than those films.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 05:20:53 PM: Man... the internet is really trying to suck all the joy out of this show this season. Piss poor... interesting, but a lot of people seem to agree.

Didn't see anyone complain during Battle of the Bastards with some of its contrived BS. Everyone lost it over Starbucks this season but nobody cares that Jon has a rubber sword as he gets on his horse or takes on a charging cavalry by himself or escapes being trampled or the Vale Gandalfing the battle and winning or
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2019, 05:40:31 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
Man... the internet is really trying to suck all the joy out of this show this season. Piss poor... interesting, but a lot of people seem to agree.

Didn't see anyone complain during Battle of the Bastards with some of its contrived BS. Everyone lost it over Starbucks this season but nobody cares that Jon has a rubber sword as he gets on his horse or takes on a charging cavalry by himself or escapes being trampled or the Vale Gandalfing the battle and winning or

Yeah. Not that criticism should be ignored or that the show can’t be criticized.....but at this point it feels like it’s just the ‘cool’ thing to do. That’s the downfall of the internet and social media at times.

Me personally.....I’ll continue to enjoy a show that is being provided by a bunch of people who’s careers and bodies of work speak for themselves.....and ignore Jimmy Bob on YouTube, Twitter or Facebook who just happens to have a camera or computer with the ability to post it. Way too many lower than Amateur status ‘writers’ or ‘critics’ being published with opinions that are clearly based on flaming the show for clicks since it’s the thing to do apparently.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 13, 2019, 05:52:35 PM: I mean, if you enjoy it, that is great. No whining on the internet should be able to take that from you guys. I have enjoyed plenty of things that got shit on massively. And while (often) understanding the reasons behind that, my own enjoyment is ultimately what matters to me. Each flaw weighs different for different people. For a Game of Thrones example, I was fine with the often memed Dorne/Sand Snakes stuff.

That said, I just watched this episode with my group of friends and we all reacted like I did in my post above, so my dissapointment at this moment may let it sound harsher than I will probably be after letting it sink. I will admit it is a bit of a rant but when a show you followed religiously for many years shits the bed in your view, that feels bad.

At least I should be able assure you that I am not voicing my negative opinion because of "clicks" or to earn "internet credit". I just don't like this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 13, 2019, 06:06:04 PM: Holy shit.. I just started a rewatch of the new episode. Was Varys attempting to poison Dany?!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 06:11:00 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 13, 2019, 06:06:04 PM
Holy shit.. I just started a rewatch of the new episode. Was Varys attempting to poison Dany?!

Yes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: chknptpie on May 13, 2019, 06:20:00 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 06:11:00 PM
Quote from: Chino on May 13, 2019, 06:06:04 PM
Holy shit.. I just started a rewatch of the new episode. Was Varys attempting to poison Dany?!

Yes.

Woah I did't get that
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 13, 2019, 06:20:48 PM: Yep.Taking active measures as well as sending out ravens saying Jon Snow is the rightful heir. Daenerys not eating turns out to be a pretty practical move for her!

Speaking of Varys, when he heard people coming to his chamber I presume he guessed they'd be coming to execute him. He took off his rings in preparation. Any ideas why? Just symbolic choice not to wear them when executed or is there any sign of a practical purpose?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 13, 2019, 06:25:01 PM: Maybe just to leave a piece of himself behind? He probably assumed he was going to be torched and wanted something of him to survive.

Other than that, I haven't a clue.

Maybe one was poison? Joffrey was poisoned by a piece of jewelry.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 06:25:32 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 13, 2019, 06:20:48 PM

Speaking of Varys, when he heard people coming to his chamber I presume he guessed they'd be coming to execute him. He took off his rings in preparation. Any ideas why? Just symbolic choice not to wear them when executed or is there any sign of a practical purpose?

Not sure, but always a graceful man, he accepted his fate like a man.

Quote from: RuRoRul on May 13, 2019, 06:20:48 PM
Yep.Taking active measures as well as sending out ravens saying Jon Snow is the rightful heir. Daenerys not eating turns out to be a pretty practical move for her!

That is why she went mad...she was hangry!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zantera on May 13, 2019, 06:33:53 PM: I think the show has dropped significantly in quality in the last 2 seasons but that doesn't mean it's all bad. On a spectacle level there was a lot to enjoy in this episode I think, just the scale of it. On one hand it feels like a shame that a show that used to be great and unpredictable is getting (so far at least) a very predictable stupid hollywood ending, but with that said I was never as big of a fan as the people who are into the books so I don't have that deep connection.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 13, 2019, 06:37:13 PM: Despite all the flaws, I don't know why people are calling it predictable. This forum has pretty much been wrong at every turn as far as main plot points go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2019, 06:42:53 PM: Yeah, it's easy to say it is predictable, but who could have guessed most of what has happened this season?

If it is so predictable, tell me what is going to happen next week (with specifics, not generalities), without having looked at the spoilers that are out there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 13, 2019, 06:45:23 PM: Cliche and predictable are not the same thing, and I think the internet is confusing that fact.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 13, 2019, 06:54:16 PM: I do agree the show isn't predictable, not even that cliche to be honest. Though I usually have a high tolerance for cliches and tropes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 07:20:22 PM: Stupid Hollywood ending how?? I'm gonna have no hair at the rate I'm pulling it out over here. :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 07:50:31 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5j0Ofob1Xs

I don't always agree with this guy, but he summed up a lot of my big complaints in a pretty good (and concise) way. So I'm just posting that.

I'm watching this right now, almost done. There's a lot of calling things "stupid" and "moronic" and almost no compliments on what was done well. It's just one shot after another, simplifying character's arcs and the reasons for why they act the way they are. This seems to be the 'cool' thing to do with the show now when it was never like this before this season. It's not a 'review' like it claims, it just criticizes and lambasts mosts everything done in the episode without offering a real way to have done it better..

Okay okay okay I'll take my leave for a while... just feel like one of the few people actually sticking up for this season because I LOVE this franchise, it really truly is not as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 13, 2019, 09:05:32 PM: I know it's sometimes in our nature to analyze the crap out of everything but I really try not too with regards to this show and others (Star Wars, Matrix, etc...). I thoroughly enjoyed this whole journey with GOT. It will go down as one of the top, if not the top all time TV show for me. Is it perfect? Of course not. Is the writing and storytelling great? I think so. Reading through all the posts from last night the biggest head scratcher for me is the critiques on the scorpions and tactics. I re-watched it this morning and paid specific attention to this issue. She was evasive and her tactics, coming out of the sun, then below the cliffs and popping up last second to work the whole line of scorpions, made perfect sense to me. Also, when the dragon was taken out last week it was a case of a surprise attack. That dragon was flying level and steady when hit, just cruising, no evasive tactics at all. That's the ONLY reason Euron was able to score a hit. I would surmise Dany learned some tactics that day when she dove Drogon at Euron then evaded last second. The only thing about the dragon attacks I kind of raised an eyebrow at was how ships and buildings would just explode on dragon fire contact. Instead of merely catching on fire. But hey! What do I know about dragon fire dynamics :lol

Regardless... I love this frikken show!!!!! It's gonna be sad to see it end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 13, 2019, 09:13:55 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 07:50:31 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5j0Ofob1Xs

I don't always agree with this guy, but he summed up a lot of my big complaints in a pretty good (and concise) way. So I'm just posting that.

I'm watching this right now, almost done. There's a lot of calling things "stupid" and "moronic" and almost no compliments on what was done well. It's just one shot after another, simplifying character's arcs and the reasons for why they act the way they are. This seems to be the 'cool' thing to do with the show now when it was never like this before this season. It's not a 'review' like it claims, it just criticizes and lambasts mosts everything done in the episode without offering a real way to have done it better..

Okay okay okay I'll take my leave for a while... just feel like one of the few people actually sticking up for this season because I LOVE this franchise, it really truly is not as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be

Oh I didn't mean to present that as a full objective review or anything. He definitely just kind of ranted and focused solely on the negative. I was just struck by how similar his complaints were to mine. I tried to point out all the positive I liked as well, but that was just meant to illustrate my complaints, which I can post more about tomorrow, but I will say that Dany turning....the way she did....was NOT set up, or at least set up very well. Though, my bigger complaint, which hasn't been discussed much, is the army turning the way they did.

However, I understand your frustration with the internet. I would HIGHLY suggest being more discriminate about what you read/listen to.

If I LOVE a Marvel movie or something like that, do I watch a Red Letter Media review? Hell no. They're going to mock it and tear it apart.

If I am gushing over a silly movie, do I watch a Kevin Smith review? Hell yes. He will gush over it too.

If you want some more interesting (and lengthy) discussions, I put a few links to some (just for the last episode). They're not all gushy. Some are more critical than others, but they give everything a pretty fair shake. You might dig it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bibuxe-WxU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHrVtrYkZec
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 13, 2019, 09:18:23 PM: I think JJ is spot on, on his opinion. If I'm going to state the positives of this episode, or even season, I'll only praise cinematography and direction, the spectacles are amazing! That's not what I came to buy though..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2019, 09:21:38 PM: Actually I do watch RLM reviews of things I like, because I truly like hearing opposing thoughts. I'm absolutely not someone who lolligags in a positive thoughts echo chamber. I just think this season is very much being unfairly maligned, in the big picture. I appreciate the links, hopefully I haven't seen them already because I scour youtube for analysis vids like an addict :tup (Example, for the record: I think RLM's review of Avengers: Endgame is fantastic. It's what a good review is. Kevin Smith's review is him retelling every event of the story, showering it in praise, and crying. I freaking love Endgame, but I want to hear someone go deeper than that.)

Edit: yup, seen both. I think they're good. I'm also waiting for Talking Thrones and ASX. Cheers :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 02:22:33 AM: My issue with Dany's story is not that she never showed hints of cruelty - it's just that the destruction of the city feels overkill. All her violent acts were aimed and never for the sake of seeing some people die. I accept her being annoyingly entitled to the Iron Throne, I accept her living up to the motto of her house, I accept her showing no mercy to Cersei and the Lannister army. But destroying a city she just conquered feels a bit over the top, and it was supposed to be justified by the voiceovers in the "before on" segment... what happened to "Show, don't tell"? it's like if they added in the "before on" the scene of Tyrion saying that Cersei loves her children, that was well estabilished, there was no need to remind us of it (unlike Dany's potential for madness, I guess).

To go back with my historical example: I'm fine with Dany wanting at all costs to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'm less fine with her dropping the bomb also on Tokyo and all over rural Japan when the armistice had already been signed.

It was not predictable, for sure, but it was a bit underwhelming in their solutions: "What will the Golden Company do?" ... nothing. "What will Yara do?" nothing. "Dany has her only remaining dragon at risk, what will she do?" Well, use the dragon, d'uh (But I concede that her tactics were cool and logical).

Still, even if it all felt so abrupt regarding the shift in the odds of war, I think no one can disagree about what a visual spectacle the episode was. If at all, the "end of the world" vibe was absolutely there. King's Landing burning up in fire and ashes and everything being destroyed... we're really at the end of the story and of the war began after Robert's death, the tragic destruction was very well done.

Also - I didn't realize immediately that Varys was trying to poison Dany - but I'm quite confident that the letters he was writing were many, and that all the people of Westeros will soon know that Jon is the trueborn son of Rhaegar.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 02:41:15 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 02:22:33 AM
To go back with my historical example: I'm fine with Dany wanting at all costs to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'm less fine with her dropping the bomb also on Tokyo and all over rural Japan when the armistice had already been signed.
I don't understand how you're using this analogy. Where has she previously nuked Hiroshima or Nagasaki? To take that as a parallel (and it's not a bad one), King's Landing is surely exactly the equivalent of those?

Given that the people won't ever love her and she desires the throne above all else (both things that have been established for a number of seasons) and therefore she has decided to rule through fear, it's brutally logical to burn down KL to terrify the test of Westeros into following her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 02:53:30 AM: The "fear" part was achieved brilliantly by torching the ships and the walls and with a screeching Drogon towering above the people running for their lives. But if torching King's Landing was a message not to the people of the city (hard to have someone fear you if they're smoldering ash), but to the rest of Westeros, I agree with you that it makes sense, didn't see it that way.

My parallel with history was this...

History:
- USA has a weapon of mass destruction (atomic bombs)
- USA considers what to do to end the war (invasion of Japan maybe?)
- USA drops the bombs to force Japan to surrender, they do, and the war is over.

Game of Thrones:
- Dany has a weapon of mass destruction (the dragons)
- Dany considers what to do to end the war (avoid a bloodshed maybe?)
- Dany goes fo the nuclear option (using the dragon to target military objectives, like the fleet and the armored walls and the Red Keep where her enemy lives) and then...... carpet bombs the rest of King's Landing.

Feels overkill and useless just like for the USA would have been useless to continue to drop atomic bombs on Japan. But as I said - I didn't see it as a message to Westeros. If that's what it was, at least it makes some (terrible) sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2019, 03:18:32 AM: For me this season just feels so rushed. My favorite episode was the second one because they were just sitting around drinking and talking and you got those "characters bonding" moments that feels like classic GoT to me. I get that they have to wrap up the show but it feels like they're trying to do too much in too little time. I'll admit I never really cared for the night king story even at the start, so wrapping that one up was incredibly underwhelming to me already, but the big battle at king's landing was definitely something i had a bit more excitement about and it ended up fairly underwhelming as well. On a spectacle level there were some great cinematic shots but I never felt any real tension in the battle. To return to the use of "predictability", I think it's safe to say that we all knew the good side would win the fight at king's landing because having a twist with Cersei killing Dany or Jon is simply the type of moment from the older seasons that doesn't happen anymore, and I'm fine with that. But I wish the battle felt more like a battle with real stakes and tension rather than Dany blowing up the fleet and the ballistas within 3 minutes and then the "battle" for the next 30 minutes was her flying over the city just wrecking shit and Cersei looking terrified with no plan B or anything. I mean it was only ~30 mins into the episode or something when the defense of the city laid their weapons down.

I made the comparison on another forum but for me the battle was kinda like if you watch the battle for Minas Tirith in Return of the King, but you start watching when Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli shows up with the army of the dead. It worked in that movie because it was preceded by a long battle beforehand and it was used as a last resort/save the day moment at the end, but watching it just on its own you dont feel any tension or stakes. I wish Cersei would have had a plan B that presented a real threat of taking the dragon down, OR (and this would have redeemed both this episode and the last one a bit) they should have gone into this episode with 2 dragons alive and one of them could have been killed during the siege. That would have made the battle feel a bit more tense I think.

Still, I might sound harsh on the show but I feel like GoT is a show where i spent the first 4-5 seasons feeling I was always behind the tv-show and I could never quite understand everything and now I feel i'm always a few steps ahead instead. It's not as bad as some people on the internet make it out to be, it just baffles me sometimes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 14, 2019, 03:54:22 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 07:50:31 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 13, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5j0Ofob1Xs

I don't always agree with this guy, but he summed up a lot of my big complaints in a pretty good (and concise) way. So I'm just posting that.

I'm watching this right now, almost done. There's a lot of calling things "stupid" and "moronic" and almost no compliments on what was done well. It's just one shot after another, simplifying character's arcs and the reasons for why they act the way they are. This seems to be the 'cool' thing to do with the show now when it was never like this before this season. It's not a 'review' like it claims, it just criticizes and lambasts mosts everything done in the episode without offering a real way to have done it better..

Okay okay okay I'll take my leave for a while... just feel like one of the few people actually sticking up for this season because I LOVE this franchise, it really truly is not as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be

I love this franchise as well, I really do, I just wish I could agree with you. I think that is the case for most of these people as well. Most of these heavily critical people have been gushing over this series for like 8 years now and I unfortunately have to agree with them in many regards.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 04:41:51 AM: One very minor detail: they couldn't have known back then, but I wish now they would have refrained from calling the Season 1 finale like the motto of Targaryen House. If an episode ever deserved the "Fire and Blood" title, it's this one ;D

How's next one will be called? it just has to be A Dream of Spring, right?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 06:16:12 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 02:53:30 AM
The "fear" part was achieved brilliantly by torching the ships and the walls and with a screeching Drogon towering above the people running for their lives. But if torching King's Landing was a message not to the people of the city (hard to have someone fear you if they're smoldering ash), but to the rest of Westeros, I agree with you that it makes sense, didn't see it that way.

My parallel with history was this...

History:
- USA has a weapon of mass destruction (atomic bombs)
- USA considers what to do to end the war (invasion of Japan maybe?)
- USA drops the bombs to force Japan to surrender, they do, and the war is over.

Game of Thrones:
- Dany has a weapon of mass destruction (the dragons)
- Dany considers what to do to end the war (avoid a bloodshed maybe?)
- Dany goes fo the nuclear option (using the dragon to target military objectives, like the fleet and the armored walls and the Red Keep where her enemy lives) and then...... carpet bombs the rest of King's Landing.

Feels overkill and useless just like for the USA would have been useless to continue to drop atomic bombs on Japan. But as I said - I didn't see it as a message to Westeros. If that's what it was, at least it makes some (terrible) sense.
In the spirit of discussion and debate, I think this is a fundamentally flawed use of the analogy primarily because you are equating the USA using its atom bombs to achieve what it wants (Japan surrenders, USA "wins" the war) with Dany getting what she wants when the Lannisters surrender. She didn't at all get what she wanted. She didn't care about the Lannister armies or Cersei or even ending the war, what she wants is to rule. Over the 2.5 episodes leading up to the bells ringing, she came to the realisation that defeating Cersei and "winning" the war wouldn't get her that because the people don't love her and won't accept her now that Jon has a better claim to the throne (whether he wants it or not). So Cersei surrendering isn't enough. To get what she wants she has to use her own atom bomb to destroy King's Landing and terrify the rest of Westeros into bending the knee. She won't have planned that in advance (I never thought she would and the showrunners have suggested as much), but that will have been the brutal logic that caused her to snap in the moment.

Again for the sake of discussion, I would re-work your comparison as:

History:
- USA has a weapon of mass destruction (atomic bombs)
- USA considers using its WMD to achieve what it wants (Japan surrenders, ending the war with USA victorious) but presumably struggled with the ethics of it and didn't immediately rush to use it (I don't know the detail of the history so happy to be corrected on this point).
- USA continues to battle without using its WMD but with no success.
- USA eventuaklly uses its WMD on two cities, indiscriminately killing innocent civilians, to force the rest of Japan to surrender, they do, and the war is over.

Game of Thrones:
- Dany has a weapon of mass destruction (the dragons)
- Dany considers using her WMD to achieve what she wants (the throne) but is talked out of it on a number of occasions.
- Dany therefore tries another approach - winning over the people of Westeros by helping them and getting them to help her, but events lead her to realise that this route cannot give her what she wants.
- Dany therefore uses her WMD on a city, indiscriminately killing innocent civilians, to try and force the rest of Westeros to accept her or risk meeting the same fate.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 14, 2019, 06:19:09 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 07:50:31 PM
just feel like one of the few people actually sticking up for this season because I LOVE this franchise, it really truly is not as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be

I'm right here with you. I've been loving this season and have no interest in sitting around and criticizing things that we have no control over. Would I have loved two more, 10 episode seasons? Of course. But we got 13 episodes instead of 20. I can't control that, so why bother getting mad about it and letting it ruin the experience? It is what it is, and no amount of complaining is going to change anything.

I'm just enjoying being taken on a journey every Sunday night.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 06:20:59 AM: Quote from: Zantera on May 14, 2019, 03:18:32 AM
I made the comparison on another forum but for me the battle was kinda like if you watch the battle for Minas Tirith in Return of the King, but you start watching when Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli shows up with the army of the dead. It worked in that movie because it was preceded by a long battle beforehand and it was used as a last resort/save the day moment at the end, but watching it just on its own you dont feel any tension or stakes. I wish Cersei would have had a plan B that presented a real threat of taking the dragon down, OR (and this would have redeemed both this episode and the last one a bit) they should have gone into this episode with 2 dragons alive and one of them could have been killed during the siege. That would have made the battle feel a bit more tense I think.
I find this an odd comparison. The LOTR battles were much more straightforward good vs evil. The whole thing with this GOT battle was that it subverts those tropes because it wasn't good vs evil (some might argue it was evil vs evil but I'd say it was more brutal power-hungry human vs brutal power-hungry human). What the episode focused on was the horror of the battle for the innocent civilians and good people on the ground who were caught up in it all.

Honestly, aside from some minor to medium level gripes (which I've had pretty consistently since season 5) the more I think about this episode the more I like it. So basically the opposite of the Battle of Winterfell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 06:29:34 AM: While it is difficult to not do so, I don't think we can view what happened in the last episode through the lens of modern day, or even recent, history. I cannot remember if they have ever said what years this series takes place, but it's clear it is set back in the middle ages (roughly), and back then it was pretty commonplace for entire cities to get sacked and taken over the way King's Landing was. Not saying that makes it right, or trying to justify it, just that more thought needs to be given to the way things were many hundreds of years ago. Daenerys is more tyrannical that we thought, for sure, but I feel that now calling her a monster or pure evil (which I have seen a lot of since Sunday) is just lazy, without giving any thought as to the above and, more importantly, the chain reaction of events that led to her actions. How someone gets from a to z matters.

Also, after thinking about it, I definitely do not think now that Jon Snow will survive the show, and here is why: after the Long Night aired, there were an interview out there where Jon Harrington admitted that he was pissed off when he got the script and saw that Arya, not Jon, was the one who would kill the Night King. That tells me that Harrington is a total mark for himself and the character he played. And now there is an interview circulating where he was asked to describe the final episode in one word and his immediate response was, "disappointing," which he tried to walk back a little with a half-hearted chuckle and then saying "epic" as well, but I think Harrington is likely disappointed that Jon Snow does not come out on top in the end, and since I cannot imagine both he and Dany living by the end of the next week, I think his character dies. That is my current theory (which could change by this afternoon :lol).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 06:39:10 AM: Siege warfare is brutal.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 06:48:49 AM: Great post ariich! yeah, I agree with the way you see the issue, and the World War II comparison... and it helps to accept better the "Full Targaryen mode" that Dany activated with the war just won.

Maybe with a full 10 episodes season Dany's descent into madness could have been stretched out better... she did talk about ruling with fear rather than with love, but I'm thinking that maybe it could have been better if Varys did reach out for sure to all the lords of Westeros, and Dany would get wind of people's preference for Jon, feeling then even more compelled to show them who's boss.

I guess they'll save that for the final episode - Dany calling the survivors to King's Landing and demanding they bow to the rightful ruler, and people saying "yes... that's why we bow to Aegon Targaryen, screw you crazy lady".

Oh, and this falls on her advisors, I just realized yesterday that she asked for a truce when she was winning (Season 7's last episode) and she demanded unconditional surrender when she was losing (last episode).

The deal offered in last season's finale should have been: "Listen, there are those ice zombies beyond the wall. If you want to join with us, I promise there won't be any hostilites. If you don't want to join and pledge the Lannister army... the survivors will. Because their new queen will order it".

That would have been simplier... Cersei agrees, they're all off to fight the "real war". Cersei disagrees, two dragons fly over the Red Keep, tear it open, pluck her out and toss her in the ocean, and then Dany installs herself as new queen and then commands everyone in Westeros to go up north to prepare for the White Walkers invasion. All that talk of avoiding bloodshed ironically caused the most possible bloodshed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 14, 2019, 06:57:56 AM: I don't think I agree with the WWII bombings as a fair comparison. We did that because not doing so would have resulted in millions of more deaths on both sides of the fight. We brought the war to a swift end.

Dany straight up annihilated the largest standing army in Westeros, and got the second largest one to surrender. She won. The war was over. Lives were no longer at risk. Murdering tens of thousands of innocents and destroying an entire city gained her nothing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: contest_sanity on May 14, 2019, 07:02:21 AM: The Ringer has really good GoT content as well (in reference to people discussing reviews):

https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones (https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones)

Jason Concepcion, especially, is a Maester of unparalleled Thrones knowledge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm59IaQ0MZk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm59IaQ0MZk)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2019, 07:10:25 AM: Quote from: contest_sanity on May 14, 2019, 07:02:21 AM
The Ringer has really good GoT content as well (in reference to people discussing reviews):

https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones (https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones)

Jason Concepcion, especially, is a Maester of unparalleled Thrones knowledge.

I watch these every monday after the episode, always pretty good. It's essentially the After the Thrones show HBO had for one season that aired after the show. I don't know why they stopped doing that, these shows are so popular and this is probably the best one IMO.

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1yoKMEmbPXnKQ (https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1yoKMEmbPXnKQ) < link to go to their hour long discussion directly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: contest_sanity on May 14, 2019, 07:19:11 AM: ^ I believe this may have been when Bill Simmons (creator of The Ringer site) also had his own show on HBO, and so they were more explicitly in business with one another. The hosts used to be the same whether it was on HBO or just The Ringer. I think HBO is still an investor in The Ringer, but Simmons' show bombed and I guess they severed TV ties at that point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 07:21:26 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 14, 2019, 06:57:56 AM
I don't think I agree with the WWII bombings as a fair comparison. We did that because not doing so would have resulted in millions of more deaths on both sides of the fight. We brought the war to a swift end.

Dany did bring the war with a swift end - using her WMD.

Quote from: Chino on May 14, 2019, 06:57:56 AM
Dany straight up annihilated the largest standing army in Westeros, and got the second largest one to surrender. She won. The war was over. Lives were no longer at risk. Murdering tens of thousands of innocents and destroying an entire city gained her nothing.

That was exactly my point, hence my comparison with a scenario where the USA needllessly continues to drop atomic bombs on Japan.

But hey, that was just the best example I could come up with to explain how I saw it, no need for Game of Thrones to be an exact parallel of World War II, since it was based on the War of the Roses anyway :D

But airich helped me figure out that it was probably to send a message to the whole of Westeros, "you have to fear me and this is gonna teach you all a lesson".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2019, 07:23:15 AM: Quote from: contest_sanity on May 14, 2019, 07:19:11 AM
^ I believe may have been when Bill Simmons (creator of The Ringer site) also had his own show on HBO, and so they were more explicitly in business with one another. The hosts are the same whether it was on HBO or just The Ringer. I think HBO is still an investor in The Ringer, but Simmons' show bombed and I guess they severed TV ties at that point.

ahh, didn't know about any of this. The one guy doesn't do it anymore I guess though, he was my favorite commentator on the show, but the rest are good and I like how in depth and knowledgeable they are.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: contest_sanity on May 14, 2019, 07:28:37 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 14, 2019, 07:23:15 AM
ahh, didn't know about any of this. The one guy doesn't do it anymore I guess though, he was my favorite commentator on the show, but the rest are good and I like how in depth and knowledgeable they are.
You might be referring to Andy Greenwald? I think he does still do a podcast on The Ringer called The Watch where they discuss popular TV and films.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2019, 07:37:00 AM: Yea that guy, I don't personally care about other after shows since I hardly watch anything else anymore. Honestly feel like GOT is like the end of the TV era. With streaming being so popular, can there be another huge hit traditional TV show like this that gets everyone so into it again? Probably, but it may come from Netflix or somewhere else where the Sunday night TV gathering isn't the way it's consumed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 07:44:39 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 14, 2019, 06:57:56 AM
Dany straight up annihilated the largest standing army in Westeros, and got the second largest one to surrender. She won. The war was over. Lives were no longer at risk. Murdering tens of thousands of innocents and destroying an entire city gained her nothing.
Did you even read my previous post? She wasn't doing it because lives were at risk, she was doing it because she wanted the throne for herself. She didn't win. Winning would mean getting the throne. She'd realised by that point that defeating Cersei wasn't going to get her the throne because of Jon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 07:47:07 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 06:48:49 AM
Maybe with a full 10 episodes season Dany's descent into madness could have been stretched out better... she did talk about ruling with fear rather than with love, but I'm thinking that maybe it could have been better if Varys did reach out for sure to all the lords of Westeros, and Dany would get wind of people's preference for Jon, feeling then even more compelled to show them who's boss.
Yeah for sure, like I've said a few times I've had issues with a fair bit of the writing and pacing since season 5 and this final season is definitely no different. I guess I'm focusing more on the general logic and overall story arcs which have also been weaker for the last few seasons but I'm still very much enjoying overall and this latest episode helped (in my opinion) a fair bit with.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2019, 07:51:00 AM: Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. Maybe Dany didn't "go mad" at all.

Remember, she didn't want to stop the wheel. She wanted to BREAK the wheel. The wheel of neverending rule by people who didn't have the interests of the people at heart. The wheel of subjugation, of the domination of the powerless by the powerful. That's why she upset the longstanding balance of rule by slavery in Essos.

Maybe her goal was to win the Iron Throne so that she could destroy the Iron Throne. Maybe her whole goal was to do away with rule of the masses by the few.

Maybe her hope was to do it by being accepted with open arms by the populace, and then using that power to give them all their freedom by self-rule. But when she saw that this would never be possible, she decided that she would have to use fire and blood to show the people that even a ruler who liberates them from a bad ruler, is still a bad ruler themselves. To show them that there are no good rulers in reality. To show them that being ruled is not the best way to live.

Once the bells began to ring, the look on her face was not her going mad, but realizing that the time to break the wheel had come, and she finally realized her terrible purpose.

Just maybe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 07:51:52 AM: She was crying when she was staring down the Red Keep. She was full of sadness, anger, humiliation, frustration. Without a loving populace that sees her in a good light, she has nothing. Better to cause fear and destruction. For f&%$'s sake her house's motto is fire and blood. And she's said the entire show she'll take what "is mine, with fire and blood." But according to the Internet, this is all out of nowhere! Complete shock!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 14, 2019, 07:53:08 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 13, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
Didn't see anyone complain during Battle of the Bastards with some of its contrived BS.
I was a staunch defender of the show because I was assuming they're trying to do the incredibly difficult job of making everyone come together for the endgame in a way that makes sense. Now we're here at the endgame which has been fed to them directly (and probably at least in some detail) from GRRM, and they're still not able to make it make sense. The reason why people are so angry is because on the surface, the show is still really good. All of the amazing acting, cinematography, music (oh my god the music), directing (with the possible exclusion of the Winterfell battle episode - I guess Sapochnik wanted to experiment on that one) have been put together with a script that's bad by regular TV show standards, not just GoT standards. And the only reason why it's bad is because Dave and Dan have invested minimal effort into it. There were signs of this even back in season 5 - hell, an 18-year-old Maisie Williams had to ask them to tone down her impossible ninja parkour scenes because she couldn't suspend her disbelief. Then the Sand Snakes. Then Stannis getting an off-screen death. Then Jon falling upwards. I just thought they were stumbling because there was minimal direction about how The Winds of Winter would go.

Doubtlessly they will say people are just haters because they hate sad things, because their pet theory didn't come true (everyone's pet theories were time traveling Bran and Targaryen Tyrion, I wouldn't want any of those, that's not the problem :|), because they love to hate. They will quote "If you think this ends well, you haven't been paying attention", because apparently a throwaway delusional Ramsay quote is now the heart of this show. I hate this because in the end we all lose. If you love the show now, you would have loved it even more if they let Cogman write more episodes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 07:55:57 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 14, 2019, 07:53:08 AM
and they're still not able to make it make sense

Man, I am trying to contain my frustration with the Internet, but this season does make sense. The ONLY two events that do not make sense to me in this season are Aimbot Greyjoy and the Easy Moving Target, and Bran's storyline just apparently going nowhere. Everything else makes perfect sense and can be explained in a logical way.

Seasons 1-6: amazing show! Season 5 was slow but omg so good!
Season 7: Boooo hisssss things are happening TOO fast now!
Season 8: absolutely nothing makes sense this show is dog shit

The fact that certain events DO happen, despite having other ways out of those situations or having better options at hand, DOES NOT mean things don't make sense.

I am so puzzled by this claim that "the script is bad by normal TV standards." What? I think the script is fine. Am I stupid? Do I not watch enough TV? What's the deal? The script is far better than most other TV shows that I have seen in my life. Certainly not perfect, and has gone downhill recently, but it's not THAT bad, come on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2019, 08:20:06 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 14, 2019, 07:53:08 AM
They will quote "If you think this ends well, you haven't been paying attention", because apparently a throwaway delusional Ramsay quote is now the heart of this show.
Mora, I adore you and your passion, but this is where you lose me. I think that Ned Stark, Catelyn Stark, Rob Stark and his wife Talisa and his army, Hodor, Oberyn Martel, Myrcella Baratheon, Khal Drogo, Yoren, Renly Baratheon, Jeor Mormont, Rickon Stark, Margaery Tyrell, among others, would take exception. It's ALWAYS been the heart of the show. There was never going to be a "happily ever after".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 08:25:00 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2019, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 14, 2019, 07:53:08 AM
They will quote "If you think this ends well, you haven't been paying attention", because apparently a throwaway delusional Ramsay quote is now the heart of this show.
Mora, I adore you and your passion, but this is where you lose me. I think that Ned Stark, Catelyn Stark, Rob Stark and his wife Talisa and his army, Hodor, Oberyn Martel, Myrcella Baratheon, Khal Drogo, Yoren, Renly Baratheon, Jeor Mormont, Rickon Stark, Margaery Tyrell, among others, would take exception. It's ALWAYS been the heart of the show. There was never going to be a "happily ever after".
It's also always been at the heart of the books and pretty much everything that GRRM has said about them.

And yeah I've also been loving your observations and insights Mora (whether I agree or not) but similarly there's the odd point that I just don't really understand.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 08:39:10 AM: I just ordered this (https://www.amazon.com/Game-Thrones-GIANT-Poster-Westeros/dp/B00D09E48M/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=giant+game+of+thrones+poster&qid=1557844249&refinements=p_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A8948446011%2Cp_n_feature_eight_browse-bin%3A8948453011&rnid=8948449011&s=gateway&sr=8-5) for my bedroom. Next is to get some banners. EDIT: Wait, I really want this, too (https://www.amazon.com/Calhoun-Game-Thrones-Banner-Westeros/dp/B0761YV4FS/ref=pd_sbs_201_2/143-6984303-2849363?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0761YV4FS&pd_rd_r=0cec5322-7656-11e9-88f1-c5c4d7a27c00&pd_rd_w=9q7nW&pd_rd_wg=p6cWi&pf_rd_p=588939de-d3f8-42f1-a3d8-d556eae5797d&pf_rd_r=Z2Z8TDTSJ4GZ9A1HNT3T&psc=1&refRID=Z2Z8TDTSJ4GZ9A1HNT3T) but the way it cuts off Essos bugs me. :/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2019, 08:45:54 AM: Personally I feel the whole "people just hate because they like to hate" or blaming the negativity on internet culture is just an easy way to close your eyes and put fingers in your ear and pretend everything is perfect. I think when it comes down to it with people investing years of their life into a tv-show, they want it to end in a satisfying way. I think Breaking Bad was a good example when that show was on. I didn't LOVE the show as much as most fans, but it was a great show that had a final season that went down really well with fans. People were with the show until the end and there was no nonsense about hating the show because that was the cool thing to do like some people say about GoT now.

In the end the quality is all subjective anyways. As an example, Lost remains one of my favorite tv-shows and I really liked it all the way until the end. A lot of people jumped off the wagon before then or thought it declined/got too weird or whatever else. In the end the only opinion that matters is your own.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 08:49:31 AM: Except nobody's pretending it's perfect. But I get your point.

Also Breaking Bad was on a much smaller scale. It started to get a little hard to believe once they were, you know, running an international meth operation out of an industrial laundromat, robbing a train by having Bill Burr just stop his truck on the tracks, making meth in a secret underground facility that no government operation is aware of, and then doing it out of people's houses under the guise of pest extermination. It also didn't have to deal with armies, dragons, magic, and an entire continent... it had far fewer characters, as well. Completely different shows, completely different problems, also didn't have to worry about matching things from a source material that never got finished.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 09:13:24 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 07:55:57 AM

I am so puzzled by this claim that "the script is bad by normal TV standards." What? I think the script is fine. Am I stupid? Do I not watch enough TV? What's the deal? The script is far better than most other TV shows that I have seen in my life. Certainly not perfect, and has gone downhill recently, but it's not THAT bad, come on.

Yep, that criticism makes zero sense whatsoever. Even if you think the writing isn't as good as it was when they were using the books, it is still pretty damn good, for the most part. I have some minor quibbles about last week's episode, but the criticism is so out of hand and over the top now that it's making me laugh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2019, 10:11:17 AM: I think after episode 2 when they were wrapping everything up and not going into anymore story besides the Dany turn, I started to just stop expecting more from the show. I think that allowed me to enjoy episodes 4 and 5 much more (episode 3 kind of sealed the deal on my thoughts so I hadn't fully accepted that yet). I think I not only expected, but wanted too, more story from this season, more plots to keep things interesting, but they really just want the "end all" route and it does work in terms of keeping the story consice, but I personally don't find it good writing. Maybe good enough, but the timing just really doesnt help a show of this magnitude that really was built on great writing and storytelling. I think all the questionable battle tactics and everything else that people are complaining and nitpicking about are because they wanted to get to the ending and didn't want to go into more detail anymore.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 14, 2019, 10:31:38 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 07:55:57 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 14, 2019, 07:53:08 AM
and they're still not able to make it make sense

Man, I am trying to contain my frustration with the Internet, but this season does make sense. The ONLY two events that do not make sense to me in this season are Aimbot Greyjoy and the Easy Moving Target, and Bran's storyline just apparently going nowhere. Everything else makes perfect sense and can be explained in a logical way.

Seasons 1-6: amazing show! Season 5 was slow but omg so good!
Season 7: Boooo hisssss things are happening TOO fast now!
Season 8: absolutely nothing makes sense this show is dog shit

The fact that certain events DO happen, despite having other ways out of those situations or having better options at hand, DOES NOT mean things don't make sense.

I am so puzzled by this claim that "the script is bad by normal TV standards." What? I think the script is fine. Am I stupid? Do I not watch enough TV? What's the deal? The script is far better than most other TV shows that I have seen in my life. Certainly not perfect, and has gone downhill recently, but it's not THAT bad, come on.

You probably have to take into account that some people who thought the show has gone into shitty territory in Seasons 5/6 just don't watch it and don't post in this thread anymore. I remember someone has even left this forum because of this thread during S5 (or was it S6? When they've inserted Sansa into Jeyne Poole arc)

Well shit, now I've posted in this thread. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 10:37:36 AM: I think the Jeyne Pool arc was season 5, because that was when her rape by Ramsay occurred.

Also this is an amazingly accurate article (https://io9.gizmodo.com/that-sudden-game-of-thrones-turn-was-actually-a-long-ti-1834722527) explaining why Dany has always been destined for this, why the last episode wasn't sudden at all for her character, and why she's always been a bad queen/ruler.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 14, 2019, 10:54:08 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
I think the Jeyne Pool arc was season 5, because that was when her rape by Ramsay occurred.

Also this is an amazingly accurate article (https://io9.gizmodo.com/that-sudden-game-of-thrones-turn-was-actually-a-long-ti-1834722527) explaining why Dany has always been destined for this, why the last episode wasn't sudden at all for her character, and why she's always been a bad queen/ruler.

Still too busy (DAMN YOU WORK!) to post my actual full thoughts, but I did watch that video. I want to point that us saying "that moment wasn't set up" is not saying that Dany was never set up to do bad things, or that nothing about it made sense, or that it was completely out of left field, or anything like that. Just that that specific act was not the logical conclusion of her character. I have specific ways it WOULD have made sense, but I'll go into those later. But yea, don't make the mistake of arguing an extreme point that no one is making. The video does the same thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 10:56:32 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 14, 2019, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
I think the Jeyne Pool arc was season 5, because that was when her rape by Ramsay occurred.

Also this is an amazingly accurate article (https://io9.gizmodo.com/that-sudden-game-of-thrones-turn-was-actually-a-long-ti-1834722527) explaining why Dany has always been destined for this, why the last episode wasn't sudden at all for her character, and why she's always been a bad queen/ruler.

Still too busy (DAMN YOU WORK!) to post my actual full thoughts, but I did watch that video. I want to point that us saying "that moment wasn't set up" is not saying that Dany was never set up to do bad things, or that nothing about it made sense, or that it was completely out of left field, or anything like that. Just that that specific act was not the logical conclusion of her character. I have specific ways it WOULD have made sense, but I'll go into those later. But yea, don't make the mistake of arguing an extreme point that no one is making. The video does the same thing.

Are you talking about the video you posted yesterday? 'cause I linked an article, not a video. I think the act absolutely is a logical conclusion to her character - the article explains why. Forgive me if I'm genuinely confused by this post, 'cause I am :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 14, 2019, 11:07:47 AM: Although I'm one of those who was of the view that they had laid the groundwork for Daenerys' character in the previous seasons well enough, and after the first two episodes of this season I was pretty sure this sort of conflict was where it was going, I think that it was somewhat rushed (definitely not out of nowhere) in the way it rapidly escalated in episode 4 and 5 from well laid hints to hitting the extreme plot points that needed to be hit before the end of the series. And while I could talk for days about her previous actions and statements suggesting brutal and tyrannical impulses, I can definitely see how the jump from where she was to "deliberately and methodically burn thousands civiilians of King's Landing" is very extreme.

However, if we're going to decide whether something is sufficiently built up or if it's "just bad writing", it seems fair to me to have a go at really analysing what the show did present us with rather than having an initial, surface level reaction of "What the fuck this seems out of character for Daenerys" and sticking to that, dismissing the possibility that a closer look would inform us at all. (Incidentally this is where I part ways from a lot of the criticism of the show elsewhere the internet this season. I feel too much like many people are viewing it in this kind of meta-way where they see it as their story that other people are wrongly handling, and conversation and criticism mostly is framed in those terms, which makes difficult to have any conversation that treats the story on its own terms).

Some posts here have already made some good points about Daenerys' actions, so I may end up repeating things people already said. But rather than trying to cover it from every angle, I'm going to go back to the Tarlys which I posted about before episode 5. Funnily enough a lot of the points that came from thinking about that situation actually link quite strongly to Daenerys' decision in episode 5.

Part of me feels bad even making a comparison between burning two guys and burning thousands indiscriminately at King's Landing. The two are just so different in scope that it feels like the level of escalation required from one to the other is so extreme that it might seem like you can't draw much from comparing the two. However, regardless of our own sensibilities about the value of individual lives, it can't be ignored that in the context of Game of Thrones, the fate of nobles and their houses are considered extremely important even compared to many lives. When the Lannisters killed all of Ned Stark's guardsmen and servants (dozens or hundreds of people, including innocents), it was bad but there was still a chance for the two sides to make peace. Then they chop off one extra head, and peace is dead, because that was the head of House Stark, and it was symbolically an even greater attack on the North than the slaying of many household guards and servants.

So even though the Tarlys were but two guys, their fate was more meaningful than just two lives within Game Of Thrones because of their status (regardless of our own opinions about it in reality). And what were Daenerys' reasons for burning them? Well, if we take out just a general fondness for righteously burning people, we have:

1. Her purpose was to make an example of them, to ensure others kneel. When she says "If putting people in chains becomes an option, many will take it" she's connecting their fate to what others will see and how they will act. The purpose of burning them is to ensure others know their fate if they don't kneel.
2. Her justification was that it was their decision that led to them being burned. "I gave them a choice. They made it." She wasn't just burning helpless prisoners with no agency (in her mind), she gave them a choice and they faced consequences. However, as I made the case earlier, for Dickon especially the choice presented was not a very reasonable one and it wasn't a responsible use of her power to present him with this sadistic choice.

So with the Tarlys we see Daenerys burn people who had surrendered because it makes an example to others not to follow their path, and she sees it as a result of their own choice (regardless of how fair the choice presented actually is). And while it might be quite a leap to go from killing enemy commanders to killing thousands of civilians, in episode 5 Daenerys' dialogue shows her own twisted logic that brings the situation in King's Landing to the point where she can use those same principles to make her decision.

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"That's what she thinks our mercy is: weakness. But she's wrong. Mercy is our strength. Our mercy towards future generations who will never again be held hostage by a tyrant."
You know it's going to be bad once "mercy towards future generations" comes into it. But this shows how the fate of the civilians of King's Landing becomes about more than just the battle for the city, and why Daenerys burns them even after it appears she has already won that battle. Just as the fate of the Tarlys was about the example set to others rather than the immediate need to deal with them, so was the fate of King's Landing. And it's not just to the rest of Westeros outside of King's Landing - it's to "future generations" throughout Westeros.

But, in the case of the Tarlys the example to others was to "kneel or burn". Right or wrong you can at least see what the message is. What's the message in burning civilians of King's Landing after breaking through the opposing army's defences? Well, this is revealed by Daenerys' dialogue as well:

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TYRION: The people who live there, they're not your enemies. They're innocents, like the ones you liberated in Meereen.
DAENERYS: In Meereen, the slaves turned on the masters and liberated the city themselves the moment I arrived.

As far as Daenerys sees it, not only did Cersei and the opposing army make their choice, but the people of King's Landing made their choice as well by not overthrowing Cersei the moment Daenerys showed up. When Tyrion tells her the people are hostages, she even says "Whose fault is that? Mine?" I think that the quote above shows that not only does she not see it as her fault, she sees it as the people's fault as much as their ruler's. Of course, the "choice" that the people of King's Landing made was between accepting the rule of their current oppressor or rising up in violent rebellion that would get many of them killed. The audience probably sympathises with unarmed civilians not rising up and doesn't hold them responsible, but as far as Daenerys is concerned they chose their fate just like Dickon Tarly did. And the message to every individual in Westeros, present and future, is that if you even tacitly support any other ruler by not violently rising up against them, you're going to burn. That's a message she hopes will serve well when anyone starts talking about someone else having a competing claim.

When she decided to "Let it be fear", she gave up on trying to secure her rule by other means. It might seem that the burning of civilians after already winning in the field and gaining the surrender of the city didn't serve that purpose as that should already cause enough fear. But considering the reasons behind Daenerys burning of the Taryls (after they were defeated in the field and had surrendered) and Daenerys' dialogue in episode 5 we can see how the act of torching King's Landing follows on from it in terms of Daenerys' mindset, even if it's on a much, much bigger scale.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 11:07:55 AM: To expand on Katt's post, I would agree that it's very much *a* logical conclusion particularly based on the events on the last season or two, though that doesn't mean it was inevitable and may well not have happened had events turned out differently. And that's exactly how they kept many fans hoping it wouldn't happen (and apparently more casual fans from even realising it was a possibility).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 11:19:58 AM: Wonderful post, RuRoRul. :tup I also agree with ariich; it's the outcome that happened, but not the only one that could have occurred, had things gone differently, or Dany checked herself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 14, 2019, 11:40:30 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 10:56:32 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 14, 2019, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
I think the Jeyne Pool arc was season 5, because that was when her rape by Ramsay occurred.

Also this is an amazingly accurate article (https://io9.gizmodo.com/that-sudden-game-of-thrones-turn-was-actually-a-long-ti-1834722527) explaining why Dany has always been destined for this, why the last episode wasn't sudden at all for her character, and why she's always been a bad queen/ruler.

Still too busy (DAMN YOU WORK!) to post my actual full thoughts, but I did watch that video. I want to point that us saying "that moment wasn't set up" is not saying that Dany was never set up to do bad things, or that nothing about it made sense, or that it was completely out of left field, or anything like that. Just that that specific act was not the logical conclusion of her character. I have specific ways it WOULD have made sense, but I'll go into those later. But yea, don't make the mistake of arguing an extreme point that no one is making. The video does the same thing.

Are you talking about the video you posted yesterday? 'cause I linked an article, not a video. I think the act absolutely is a logical conclusion to her character - the article explains why. Forgive me if I'm genuinely confused by this post, 'cause I am :P

The link you put has an article and a video that says what the article says.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 11:42:25 AM: Oh my bad. I never watch those videos and it didn't load for me, so I scrolled straight to the text. Gotcha :facepalm:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 14, 2019, 11:43:51 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 11:42:25 AM
Oh my bad. I never watch those videos and it didn't load for me, so I scrolled straight to the text. Gotcha :facepalm:

No worries. I try to read as little as possible on principle. :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 12:02:11 PM: Can't we get RuRoRol to do the "Inside the episode" aftershows? at least he'd do a better job at explaining stuff than Mr. "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet" :lol :tup

Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
Also this is an amazingly accurate article (https://io9.gizmodo.com/that-sudden-game-of-thrones-turn-was-actually-a-long-ti-1834722527) explaining why Dany has always been destined for this, why the last episode wasn't sudden at all for her character, and why she's always been a bad queen/ruler.

Well, the article is nice, but it explains mainly all the times Dany was ruthless, and her path to be a conqueror.... not a mass murderer. Yes, as the article said, she did the only thing she knew how to do, conquer, but the conquest was done before the mass destruction began.

RuRoRol made a better job at explaining her mindset using the Tarly example. But in the article there's a troubling quote:

(Note: The showrunners have said Daenerys burned King’s Landing spontaneously because she got mad while looking at the Red Keep, as it was a “symbol of everything that was taken from her.” I think this is stupid and I don’t agree with it.)

Well, but the problem is.... they are the showrunners. They decided it and wrote it and that's then the reason. Find all the connections you want between Metropolis part 1 and Scenes from a Memory - once the band themselves comes out and say "We were only half joking when we called the first song Part 1", it means only one thing, that pulling out Scenes from a Memory was a clever retroactive decision, not something planned since the days of Images and Words.

So the official explanation for reaching the plot point they desperately needed to reach, Dany goes full Targaryen, is "She got pissed off at the sight of the Red Keep". And that's it. Just like with Tyrion talking about the baby - look, it's really no big deal. There was no need of Euron showing jealousy or whatever. I didn't even pay attention to it, but many people did, and brought it up, "How can Tyrion know Cersei is pregnant if Euron just found out?" someone here, Kattelox probably, gave a logical answer, "He doesn't care, he's not in love, he just wants to be the king and screw the queen". But the authors insted said that "Euron wasn't paying attention". My bet is they literally didn't realize they wrote in a potential reason for trouble between Euron and Cersei, and they waved it away because it didn't amount to anything in the endgame.

Just like Jaimie going back to Cersei - many people pointed out "Oh, come on, he was shunning away Brienne because he's bent on killing Cersei, read between the lines"... no, there was no second guessing to do, he just ran back to Cersei.

I fully accept that I might not be one to get all the things in all the shows, but the show itself, by the golden rule of "Show, don't tell", should already explain me all the reasonings of the characters. Not some random fans on a forum who do a better job at explaining and pointing out motivations than the authors themselves do in interviews.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 12:05:54 PM: But then using that logic, this goes back to what I and others brought up last week about episode 4. If the showrunners' word is gospel, then they contradicted themselves, because Dany "forgot about the Iron Fleet" yet was talking about it in the war room at Winterfell. And the article does explain how she became an increasingly more hostile murderer. She murdered over 150 people in a single city. And she's always done it with fire. A conqueror has to murder many people in their world. Not to the scale of King's Landing, but she has a lot of blood on her hands by the time she's queen of Meereen. (I hate that I love this world so much that I can't let some of this stuff go. I get it, it's just a show/story in the end.)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 12:15:49 PM: MirrorMask, keep in mind that the show runners get misquoted or quoted out of context. What they said on this occasion was that she didn't plan to do it and that it was a snap decision because of what had happened. That doesn't mean her story arc wasn't already going in that direction or that it was a completely new idea, only that she didn't decide in advance that she was going to kill everyone.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2019, 12:28:44 PM: Quote from: ariich on May 14, 2019, 12:15:49 PM
MirrorMask, keep in mind that the show runners get misquoted or quoted out of context. What they said on this occasion was that she didn't plan to do it and that it was a snap decision because of what had happened. That doesn't mean her story arc wasn't already going in that direction or that it was a completely new idea, only that she didn't decide in advance that she was going to kill everyone.

Exactly. She had agreed with Tyrion during their meeting in the throne room at Dragonstone that should the bells ring in surrender she’d stop. She even signaled approval to Grey Worm. Even he waited a bit after she started her rampage to engage the surrendered soldiers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 12:31:47 PM: Quote from: ariich on May 14, 2019, 12:15:49 PM
MirrorMask, keep in mind that the show runners get misquoted or quoted out of context. What they said on this occasion was that she didn't plan to do it and that it was a snap decision because of what had happened. That doesn't mean her story arc wasn't already going in that direction or that it was a completely new idea, only that she didn't decide in advance that she was going to kill everyone.

Well, her story arc was leading her to be more ruthless and violent, but the step from being a conqueror to being a mass murderer was a spur of the moment decision... too easy. Martin isn't Shakespeare and Shakespeare is not one of his influences, but one thing I like about MacBeth is that you can more or less sympathize with him until the end, and feel his unease with the deeds he's done. He's victim of the sunk costs fallacy - he's a good guy, but he gets tempted into becoming greater and so he kills the king, then he has to kill Banquo, then other people... by the time he's a full fledged tyrant, it's because it's easier to go on than go back. Sure, killing a king is already a worse starting point for MacBeth, but still his downward spiral is constant and logical. I'll just get behind RuRoRoal's explanation (which doesn't differ much from yours, a message for Westeros and future generations) 'cause I like it more than "she snaps in the pressure of the moment" :D

Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 12:05:54 PM
(I hate that I love this world so much that I can't let some of this stuff go. I get it, it's just a show/story in the end.)

Hey, our passions such as music, books and movies are all things worth fighting and arguing for. If you don't get passionate about this what do you wanna get passionate about? politics? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 14, 2019, 01:00:13 PM: Kattle, I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you that my frustration is BECAUSE of how much I love this show.

I also watch a bunch of other TV. If The Orville has examples of bad writing, for instance, I'm a bit annoyed but I move on. Not super important to me. When Fresh off the Boat became a horrible show, I just stopped watching. I didn't care. It's about how important those shows are to us. The higher we place them, the further they fall. So the speed at which we seem them falling is pretty proportional to how high we elevated these shows. None of us here (I assume) just hate the show. I assume we'd just post other things in other threads if that were the case.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 14, 2019, 01:05:53 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 12:05:54 PM
But then using that logic, this goes back to what I and others brought up last week about episode 4. If the showrunners' word is gospel, then they contradicted themselves, because Dany "forgot about the Iron Fleet" yet was talking about it in the war room at Winterfell. And the article does explain how she became an increasingly more hostile murderer. She murdered over 150 people in a single city. And she's always done it with fire. A conqueror has to murder many people in their world. Not to the scale of King's Landing, but she has a lot of blood on her hands by the time she's queen of Meereen. (I hate that I love this world so much that I can't let some of this stuff go. I get it, it's just a show/story in the end.)

Re: Iron Fleet. She can talk about it in the war room, but it's possible to be up and flying around on a dragon, not paying attention and WHAM, an arrow strikes out of nowhere because you're not looking for it...i.e., forgetting that the risk is there. Those ships were hidden behind a rock as well, out of sight until it was too late. I'm pretty sure right before the arrow strikes the second dragon, they show her just meandering around in the sky, having a peaceful ride, not focusing on what could be below them....she also had no clue that the arrows and scorpions were improved. The last time she faced one, it wasn't as deadly.

That's how I took it - she didn't see them and lost a dragon by surprise. In this week's episode, she came screaming down out of the sun, stayed low, stayed very mobile and took out the ships, then took out the ones on the wall in a line. So by that time, she was very much aware of the risk and took out the most dangerous weapons right off the bat.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DragonAttack on May 14, 2019, 01:11:21 PM: Quote from: Logain Ablar on May 13, 2019, 03:27:32 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 01:19:48 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 14, 2019, 01:00:13 PM
Kattle, I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you that my frustration is BECAUSE of how much I love this show.

I also watch a bunch of other TV. If The Orville has examples of bad writing, for instance, I'm a bit annoyed but I move on. Not super important to me. When Fresh off the Boat became a horrible show, I just stopped watching. I didn't care. It's about how important those shows are to us. The higher we place them, the further they fall. So the speed at which we seem them falling is pretty proportional to how high we elevated these shows. None of us here (I assume) just hate the show. I assume we'd just post other things in other threads if that were the case.

I totally get that, and I probably should have mentioned that at some point, 'cause I totally get being frustrated with something you really like and being unable to get past some glaring issues. I didn't mean to imply anybody hates the show, certainly not. I love talking about this with ya'll even if we're on totally opposite ends! That's the beauty of fandom. :biggrin:

I don't watch quite as much TV as a lot of other people (I have Stranger Things to look forward to, and Westworld and Better Call Saul, but that's literally everything on my calendar for the next year and a half). I know you definitely watch more than I do just based on the Marvel stuff alone. So I guess my eggs are kind of all in one basket and that's my own problem for sure.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 14, 2019, 01:20:47 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 14, 2019, 12:02:11 PM
RuRoRol made a better job at explaining her mindset using the Tarly example. But in the article there's a troubling quote:

(Note: The showrunners have said Daenerys burned King’s Landing spontaneously because she got mad while looking at the Red Keep, as it was a “symbol of everything that was taken from her.” I think this is stupid and I don’t agree with it.)

Well, but the problem is.... they are the showrunners. They decided it and wrote it and that's then the reason. Find all the connections you want between Metropolis part 1 and Scenes from a Memory - once the band themselves comes out and say "We were only half joking when we called the first song Part 1", it means only one thing, that pulling out Scenes from a Memory was a clever retroactive decision, not something planned since the days of Images and Words.

So the official explanation for reaching the plot point they desperately needed to reach, Dany goes full Targaryen, is "She got pissed off at the sight of the Red Keep". And that's it.

:lol Well look, I'm never going to defend the "Inside the Episode"s as being well conceived. I've always thought the commentary on them regarding story choices was not that helpful or informative, and some of it does make you question the decision making of the writers. But, I think the bolded part there is the disconnect. Regardless of what explanations have ever been given in Inside the Episode, I don't think they have ever said anything along the lines of "This is the reason for ____... and that's it". I don't think they have ever suggested that they were giving a complete, definitive, exhaustive explanation of the show. And I don't think the format lends itself to giving a very complete explanation of the writing either. So while I know it might seem a stretch to argue something contrary to something said in an "Inside the Episode", I definitely don't think there's any reason not to think something can be added and that our interpretation must be limited only to what they said in them.

For example, I gave reasons why Daenerys burned the Tarlys based on her dialogue in that scene. But Randyll Tarly also says to her shortly before "You cannot send me to the Wall. You are not my queen." Maybe that blatant denial of her identity as queen angered her and made her want to burn him right there. And in the "Inside the Episode" for that scene, maybe the writers would mention that (and maybe they actually do - I don't remember the Inside the Episode for that one). Would that mean that "Dany burned them because she was angry. That's it." And that additional interpretation (that doesn't require extensive speculation, just examining the dialogue on that scene) is definitely invalid? I know I definitely don't think so.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 02:31:43 PM: Another unpopular opinion... So I know hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but D&D have said they wanted to do a 70-hour movie, essentially. Well if they knew they had an arbitrary number in mind why on earth did they waste so much of the first few seasons with so much walking, so much downtime, so many pieces just moving sooo slowly, all the wasted screentime with Dorne, etc. and every single time Bran came on screen even on my first time through the show I hated it because nothing ever came out of his story. It only got interesting once they reached the Weirwood tree. If they had spent less time filming nudity for the sake of nudity and really cut to the chase early on maybe they would've had more time in the back half of the epic story to really set up for some of the plot that's going down now. Just food for thought, maybe the early seasons actually hindered the later seasons in this way. I bet D&D planned on George finishing the books and having some way to integrate all the magic and prophecy and Bran stuff, but without WoW to guide them, they were up shit creek with half a paddle.

There's kind of a reason South Park named one of the parts of their 3-episode GoT parody trilogy "Titties & Dragons," because up to that point, well, lots of needless nudity and sex. I think those came out around season 3 or 4, so, yeah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 03:22:05 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2019, 12:28:44 PM
Quote from: ariich on May 14, 2019, 12:15:49 PM
MirrorMask, keep in mind that the show runners get misquoted or quoted out of context. What they said on this occasion was that she didn't plan to do it and that it was a snap decision because of what had happened. That doesn't mean her story arc wasn't already going in that direction or that it was a completely new idea, only that she didn't decide in advance that she was going to kill everyone.

Exactly. She had agreed with Tyrion during their meeting in the throne room at Dragonstone that should the bells ring in surrender she’d stop. She even signaled approval to Grey Worm. Even he waited a bit after she started her rampage to engage the surrendered soldiers.

Good point. Had it been a set plan to go scorched earth on King's Landing no matter what, I have to think that she would have told Grey Worm, if no one else.

I also don't think Dany ever thought Cersei would ever actually surrender...that thought likely never entered her head. So when the bells rang, Dany got really angry and probably thought, "no way is Cersei getting off this easy," especially after Cersei not only refused to surrender days earlier, but beheaded her best friend in the process. Now, attacking just the Red Keep instead of the city would have obviously been a lot better, but she obviously has chosen to rule by fear now, and destroying King's Landing was a means to that end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 14, 2019, 03:29:13 PM: Well I definitely can't agree on wishing the first four seasons had cut out the "walking and downtime", it was slow paced yes but that was a lot of what allowed the complexity of the story and the world to build. I don't think the problem with the "70 hour movie" idea is that the first half was too slow and should have been cut down, the problem was that the story probably wasn't ideally told as a "70 hour movie". Despite having a go at my own "inside the episode" interpretations I can't speak for D&D, but I strongly suspect they didn't start out Game of Thrones with this idea about the length of the full story, and were instead more concerned about things like making a decent pilot episode, doing a good job of adapating A Game Of Thrones and hoping to get renewed for a second season. This whole idea about how long they wanted the show to be didn't really get talked about until around S3-S4, which is when I guess they tried to think about how they could realistically complete the series, with actors, contracts and their own creative energry considered.

I'll agree about Dorne though - obviously it wasn't completely wasted screentime, but I think it was their attempt to handle a new post ASOS (post season 4) storyline in Game of Thrones that didn't really work out, and I think they actually realised that. I'm going off the top of my head since it might be difficult to find the source for some of these claims but hopefully you can roll with me here - I believe that it wasn't ever planned or certain that the show was going to go to Dorne at all, but one of the writers (Bryan Cogman, who's considered one of the most knowledgeable about the books) made the case to include it after season 4 (when Oberyn had been a successful element of the show). However I believe they were aware that their rendition of Dorne didn't work that well, because of the way they very quickly tied up that storyline at the start of season 6 (and this was not always going to be the case, as the actor who played Doran Martell said that he had originally been contracted for 4 episodes in season 6). So I think that the Dorne storyline was somewhat of a waste of screentime, because it was the show's attempt to do a really condensed and altered version of a Book 4 and 5 plot that didn't really work, and if they had a better idea of what needed to be included for their "70 hour movie" version they might have used that time differently.

As for the nudity, I don't think there was that much screen time "wasted" with nudity, certainly not to the extent you could have replaced it with scenes that help reach this last part of the story faster. We have to remember that Game of Thrones' status in pop culture has changed quite a bit since it first aired. The fact this was a fantasy series that included adult themes and sex and nudity was quite different, and was one of the things that set it apart from things like Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter for audiences. It was HBO adult drama plus fantasy. Some of the nudity may be "unnecessary" when we judge it from a story perspective now but I think it was needed to help set the tone and the expectations for what could be part of a fantasy story when audiences weren't used to it. Much of the random nudity in the show did drop off considerably over the seasons, in part because the audience already knew what they were dealing with by then and didn't need to have it shoved in their faces. But I actually don't think you could cram in much more that's helpful to the story if you take out the nudity - they weren't called "sexposition" scenes for nothing, they often included valuable information or extra character motivations alongside pointless (or just tone setting) nudity. If anything, maybe Season 8 needed a few "sexposition" scenes to flesh out some of the background :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 14, 2019, 03:31:24 PM: Dorne was awesome. Ya'll nuts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 03:33:55 PM: Totally understand what you're saying, MM. Just to expand on one thing: here is an interview with D&D as season 2 was wrapping shows they wanted to do a 70 or 80 hour story if the show were to get to that level of success.

Weiss: We went into this with the potentially over-ambitious notion that to get to the end we would have 70 or 80 hours of continuous, consistent film stories. I don’t know that anybody’s ever really done that before. We’d love to do it.

https://ew.com/article/2012/03/30/game-of-thrones-showrunners-season-2/

(And I'm not saying I WANT the earlier seasons to have been cut down, but like I said, in hindsight, it seems that there was an awful lot of stuff that could have been cut out in the long run. But again - hindsight is 20/20. Myrcella might as well have been written out of the show from the start, honestly!)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 14, 2019, 03:49:56 PM: Well I'll stand corrected - I guessed that they probably only started thinking about the length of the full thing once they had successfully got to the Red Wedding (which was probably the next big target to reach after completing the first season), but looks like they indeed had that idea even earlier.

Still, I don't really see that there was a lot of stuff from the early seasons (where they both made a quality standalone TV show and did a pretty close adaptation of Martin's books) that could have been cut to help complete the story. Maybe in the middle seasons of the show they could have taken some different paths that might lead them more easily towards this ending of their 70 hour movie, but of course that would have meant abandoning the attempt to remain faithful to GRRM's books (or rather abandoning it even more than they did), which would have been controversial to say the least :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2019, 03:52:22 PM: Maybe trim some dialogue, but there's so much of that stuff in the early seasons that is meaningful in the long run. I'm not sure there is much to cut or that I would want cut.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 06:57:45 PM: I re-watched the last episode and came about with similar thoughts as I did the first time around. Really, really good, and highly entertaining, despite a few flaws.

My only somewhat major quibble, which I didn't mention the other day because I figured there'd be enough major quibbles from others, is still that the Jaime/Euron fight was kind of absurd. How Jaime was able to walk up to where Cersei was after taking those wounds was more than a bit crazy, and Euron breaking the 4th wall by saying he was the man who killed Jaime as he was dying was ridiculously cringe-worthy. And Jaime should have finished the kill instead of leaving him there to die.

I can't get over how amazing the episode looked and how stunning the use of music was. The clips of the people of King's Landing dying or running for their lives while that slow droning music played were like something out of war movie. Amazing cinematography. And leaving aside the act itself for a minute, some of those shots of buildings collapsing due to the dragon fire were nothing short of magnificent. This is an episode I would love to have seen in a cinema (as opposed to my big ass smart TV).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 14, 2019, 07:16:31 PM: Okay, so I'm just going to post my thoughts about the controversial moment in bullet points, and I'll try not to harp on stuff that has already been talked about to death.

- There is a difference between foreshadowing and telecasting something. Her going mad the way she did was telecasted this episode.
- The idea of her going "mad" just didn't make much sense. It essentially says that there is something in Targyrian blood that makes them insane. Not only is this a major setback for mental illness discussions, but it essentially rules out any former, current, or future character development. You basically gave her bad guy midichlorians. They took it outside of the realm of character, and just made it something genetic.
- Her dad ruled for decades...DECADES....without being insane. He went insane in the last seconds of a rebellion that he was about to lose. All we hear about is "the mad king" who seems to be 90% defined by his final act. Her going crazy cause she's a Targaryian just makes very little sense and is paper thin.
- They were NOT building to her murdering the masses outside of earlier in the same episode. They were building to her being a ruthless conqueror who wanted the throne above all. They only included the "I will rule by fear" in this episode. So no, it has not be foreshadowed for seasons that she would ruthlessly murder women, children and innocents. Her murdering masters, and slavers, and queens, and kings, and her enemies is NOT the same as murdering civilians. Sorry. Her deciding that she will rule by fear by murdering everyone was a very very very recent development, not something long established.
- There was actually a clever and easy they could have had their cake and eat it too. Don't ring the bells. Big stand off, everyone yelling to ring the bells, but Cersei commands NOT to ring the bells. Therefore she starts doing what she said she'd do. Burn it down to assure her victory. Use Cersei's assumption of Dany's mercy against her. The fact that they surrendered and she won the war kind of negates a lot of her motivation.
- If she was super pissed off and lost it (as the writers have apparently said) then have her go directly to the red keep. But no. She ignores Cersei completely, despite obviously knowing where she is, so that she can pointlessly murder everyone else instead.
- My bigger problem, however, was how the army turned. Grey Worm? Eh. Fine. It was dumb but they set it up JUST enough that I bought into it. But the entire Northern army? No. If they went and killed all the soldiers, I even buy that to some degree. But deciding to also murder all the women and children and then start raping everyone too? At the drop of a dime? Having never shown signs of that? With the only excuse being "Well...that's how it happened in medieval times..." is pretty weak. I think i was more annoyed at the armies (More so the Northern ones) going all murder/rapey in a split second.
- So did it come out of nowhere? Of course not. But the execution was still very poorly written over all. You can't justify the move, largely, with a sentence earlier in the episode and have that explain away 7 seasons of character development.
- Look at Batman in the Snyderverse. He killed a lot of bad guys. Brutally. So if he nukes Gotham, would that be perfectly set up and inline with his character?

PS: I don't mean to provide this as an objective, factually correct interpretation. It is one I feel is correct but totally understand that other people see it very differently. Except Stadler.

One of the videos I saw had a pretty funny idea of showing Dany during the genocide being like "DROGON STOP WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING GOOD HEF!!!!!!!!!!"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 14, 2019, 07:27:17 PM: Anyone see the sync up that some user on reddit did that plays Hells Bells from AC/DC with Dany's carnage. It's pretty cool (https://old.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bo6gqw/spoilers_i_am_amazed_how_well_that_fits/).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 07:40:24 PM: Adami,

Regarding the Northern soldiers going on their killing spree, I think once Dany went scorched earth and everyone was running for their lives, they got swept up in the madness and went full throttle on the attack again (before the soldiers who had dropped their weapons could pick them back up). As for the soldier who tried to rape the woman before Jon killed him, I don't we can assume North soldiers = all good guys, all South soldiers = bad guys. There are some on both sides, and that guy was a bad one.

I think Dany taking out the city before really taking out the Red Keep was her wanting Cersei see her city burn before taking her out. She wanted her to suffer the humiliation of a slow death instead of a quick death by taking down the Red Keep right away. I think that is how that can be explained, within the context of the show. Dany wanted Cersei to suffer, and she did by slowly breaking her spirit and then finally killing her (the building collapsing on Cersei and Jaime was done by Dany and Drogon).

I get why you feel the way you do on some of your other points, even if I am not in total agreement. :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 14, 2019, 07:42:59 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 07:40:24 PM
Adami,

Regarding the Northern soldiers going on their killing spree, I think once Dany went scorched earth and everyone was running for their lives, they got swept up in the madness and went full throttle on the attack again (before the soldiers who had dropped their weapons could pick them back up). As for the soldier who tried to rape the woman before Jon killed him, I don't we can assume North soldiers = all good guys, all South soldiers = bad guys. There are some on both sides, and that guy was a bad one.

I think Dany taking out the city before really taking out the Red Keep was her wanting Cersei see her city burn before taking her out. She wanted her to suffer the humiliation of a slow death instead of a quick death by taking down the Red Keep right away. I think that is how that can be explained, within the context of the show. Dany wanted Cersei to suffer, and she did by slowly breaking her spirit and then finally killing her (the building collapsing on Cersei and Jaime was done by Dany and Drogon).

I get why you feel the way you do on some of your other points, even if I am not in total agreement. :)

That's a cool thing about stuff like this. We can read what we do into the scenes and come up with our own reasons, explanations, and justifications for what's happening.

Even if yours are totally wrong and inferior to mine. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 07:57:36 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 14, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
That's a cool thing about stuff like this. We can read what we do into the scenes and come up with our own reasons, explanations, and justifications for what's happening.

Even if yours are totally wrong and inferior to mine. :biggrin:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3gqncRIS1J4Y/giphy.gif)

:P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 14, 2019, 08:46:55 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 14, 2019, 07:16:31 PM
- Her dad ruled for decades...DECADES....without being insane. He went insane in the last seconds of a rebellion that he was about to lose.

Not quite. He was already going mad before then. His actions, including executing Rickard and Brandon Stark in brutal fashion (after Rhaegar "abducted" Lyanna) were what lead to Robert's Rebellion in the first place.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 09:18:25 PM: I think the quick turn with Dany was fine- could have been executed better but I get that timing is short and we are beyond actual character development at this point.

What I can’t forgive is, once again, a main character just sort of goes out with a whimper. In this case I mean Cersei, both literally and figuratively. What a piss poor ending to a great character. Cersei was given ZERO thought by the writers this season. Shame.

The Night King and Littlefinger were given similar treatment. Great, interesting characters, ZERO payoff.
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Post by: lonestar on May 14, 2019, 09:21:22 PM: (https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60323871_10100179153548063_7080356954433912832_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQnZRqKzP_GtPyQC7CA7JQHSQYS05w5gmMFkHdyxlf0CjADwFwR4UzkvW9fUpf8hsOE&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=a7cd546dd8aa6d8169f2691b35a19220&oe=5D670903)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 09:29:13 PM: Quote from: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 09:18:25 PM

What I can’t forgive is, once again, a main character just sort of goes out with a whimper. In this case I mean Cersei, both literally and figuratively. What a piss poor ending to a great character. Cersei was given ZERO thought by the writers this season. Shame.

The Night King and Littlefinger were given similar treatment. Great, interesting characters, ZERO payoff.

Um, what?

Cersei went out defeated and crying, before the building collapsed and killed her. That is a great ending to her character. Instead of a quick death in a moment where she thought she was still in control, it was very satisfying to see her spirit completely broken before her life ended.

The Night King was an interesting character? He was a one-trick pony with zero emotion or range.

Littlefinger's payoff was amazing, with the Stark ladies tricking him and eventually executing him. That was great stuff.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 14, 2019, 09:35:12 PM: Totally with Kev on this one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on May 14, 2019, 09:44:41 PM: Thirded....especially where concerning Littlefinger, that might've been the sweetest death of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 09:51:39 PM: EDIT: Question better suited for a PM probably.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 10:04:01 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 09:18:25 PM

What I can’t forgive is, once again, a main character just sort of goes out with a whimper. In this case I mean Cersei, both literally and figuratively. What a piss poor ending to a great character. Cersei was given ZERO thought by the writers this season. Shame.

The Night King and Littlefinger were given similar treatment. Great, interesting characters, ZERO payoff.

Um, what?

Cersei went out defeated and crying, before the building collapsed and killed her. That is a great ending to her character. Instead of a quick death in a moment where she thought she was still in control, it was very satisfying to see her spirit completely broken before her life ended.

The Night King was an interesting character? He was a one-trick pony with zero emotion or range.

Littlefinger's payoff was amazing, with the Stark ladies tricking him and eventually executing him. That was great stuff.

Agree to disagree.

Think about it. Cersei, your strongest, most cunning, ruthless character just goes down passively crying. The same character who blew up the entire Sept to avoid a trial. She has done NOTHING this entire season except sleep with Euron. And then she just quietly moves out of the way for Cleganebowl. Dumb.

The Night King had zero payoff. That’s not even debatable at this point. Lame, pointless ending to an arc the show spent the entire show hyping the hell out of.

I mean, you can defend this Season all you want but it’s going down as THE biggest letdowns in TV history.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 10:15:20 PM: Quote from: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 10:04:01 PM

The Night King had zero payoff. That’s not even debatable at this point. Lame, pointless ending to an arc the show spent the entire show hyping the hell out of.

Actually, it is. Without the Night King, Dany doesn't lose a dragon, Jorah and probably her second dragon and Missandei (since they would have attacked King's Landing long before they actually did). I said weeks ago that the Night King and White Walkers were a plot device, and I feel vindicated after this past weekend. Dany going mad was the turning point of the series, and that doesn't happen if not for their war with the Night King.

Quote from: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 10:04:01 PM
Think about it. Cersei, your strongest, most cunning, ruthless character just goes down passively crying. The same character who blew up the entire Sept to avoid a trial. She has done NOTHING this entire season except sleep with Euron. And then she just quietly moves out of the way for Cleganebowl. Dumb.

She went out defeated and with her spirit broken. That was perfect.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 14, 2019, 10:16:55 PM: I loved Cersei's death.

What was Cersei going to do besides what she did? She is a queen. Not a fighter or a tactician. She can't operate a scorpion. I loved that she went out just like everyone else, wimpering and afraid, with her life literally crumbling around her. Great stuff imo. The very last bit of comfort she had was at least being with her brother. For all her cunning, for all her riches and confidence in her army and the scorpions and Ser Gregor... it wasn't enough. Tragic.
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Post by: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 10:22:23 PM: And Littlefinger’s demise was obvious fan service. The smartest, most conniving, strategic character in the entire show panics at his “trial” instead of saying “yes I do deny it... do you have any proof except for the word of your weirdo brother who wasn’t there? No? Okay we’re done here.”

At the very least Littlefinger would have argued why he’s still useful to the Starks, not whimper around like a little biatch.
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Post by: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 10:36:05 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 14, 2019, 10:16:55 PM
I loved Cersei's death.

What was Cersei going to do besides what she did? She is a queen. Not a fighter or a tactician. She can't operate a scorpion. I loved that she went out just like everyone else, wimpering and afraid, with her life literally crumbling around her. Great stuff imo. The very last bit of comfort she had was at least being with her brother. For all her cunning, for all her riches and confidence in her army and the scorpions and Ser Gregor... it wasn't enough. Tragic.

She could have done something, ANYTHING intersting, surprising, exciting, compelling. She slept with Euron. That’s all she did. The entire season. Remember when she was a character you could count on to deliver the best lines/scenes? Tyrion even warns everyone not to underestimate Cersei. She deserved better than THAT. I’m not even upset she died with Jamie, but good God man, they could have come up with a better way of getting from point A to point B.
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Post by: ariich on May 14, 2019, 11:29:06 PM: Yeah I thought the way Cersei's story ended worked excellently. I felt less happy about Jaime's at first but I've mostly come around to it on reflection and through discussion here.

Adami, I can understand why you feel that way based on how you've interpreted things, I think we just differ significantly in our interpretations (and in some cases I think you've just got things wrong, like the Mad King definitely didn't just go mad right at the end).

I don't see any indication that the whole north army (or even much of it beyond one or two nasty people) started raping and pillaging. And in terms of the Unsullied, I think it makes sense in the context of what the episode was saying about violence and vengeance always leading to the same outcome unless you choose to stop it like Arya did. No doubt there was the typical bits of sloppy writing and pacing but thematically I thought it made complete sense.

And a really big point not only directed at you but the whole discussion is that I don't feel it's right to refer to Dany as going mad. We might use the "Mad Queen" term in reference to the Mad King, but it's not like she's gone insane. Something clearly snapped in her emotionally, but as I've said repeatedly in the last couple of days, there was a brutal logic to what she did and why she did it. On a related note, I also don't agree that they've made it all just genetic. All she knew growing up was her brother telling her that ruling Westeros was their birthright and how the family had ruled with fire and blood and he was going to take it back and so on. They've set up a large amount of "nurture" alongside "nature".
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 01:54:13 AM: Well, I don't want to refuse the excellent explanations of Dany's twisted, ruthless logic offered by ariich and RuRoRol, but these two points kinda reasonate with me:

Quote from: Adami on May 14, 2019, 07:16:31 PM
- There is a difference between foreshadowing and telecasting something. Her going mad the way she did was telecasted this episode.
- They were NOT building to her murdering the masses outside of earlier in the same episode. They were building to her being a ruthless conqueror who wanted the throne above all. They only included the "I will rule by fear" in this episode. So no, it has not be foreshadowed for seasons that she would ruthlessly murder women, children and innocents. Her murdering masters, and slavers, and queens, and kings, and her enemies is NOT the same as murdering civilians. Sorry. Her deciding that she will rule by fear by murdering everyone was a very very very recent development, not something long established.

The "telecasting" for me came also from the voiceovers at the beginning of the episode, with quotes from everyone about the Targaryen being nuts, even picking up old Maester Aemon's quote about "A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing". It's like they made Cersei saying stuff like "I hate children, I want the Mountain to stomp them all" and then add in the "previously on" segment the quote from Tyrion "you love your children, that's your redeeming quality" to sell better her "I don't want my child to die" at the end. No need for that however 'cause her character traits were well estabilished.

About Cersei's demise... let's remember we're all talking about fictional characters portrayed by actors, otherwise we'd all feel monsters for cheering at a teenage kid dying horribly in front of their helpless parents ;D but that's what we all cheered for when Joffrey died, and we all cheered at dogs eating Ramsay, so I wanted to cheer as well for the death of that stupid bitch of Cersei.

I won't disagree that dying defeated, alone and full of fear is not satisfying, but she also died in the arms of the person she loved comforting her. Too easy for such a monster who basically nuked the Vatican on top of all the other hateful and spiteful things she did. I believe the situation was a "victim" of Lena Headey's talent - she's been fantastic all the series through, and she could masterfully sell the desperation and fear of Cersei, it was probably a waste of her talents to let her die smirking, but damn I wanted to see that, I wanted to enjoy her death, not almost feel pity for a helpless and afraid pregnant woman.

Going back to the authors' masterplan... I believe they wanted to really, really adapt the Red Wedding, that was their dream. After that, they sort of winged it.

And when I said before "they said Dany's decision was a spur of the moment and that's it", I wasn't completely literaly with my "that's it". Of course there's more beyond a single sentence given in an interview. But I wouldn't be too surprised if, while trying to reach the end point of "Dany goes batshit insane", the answer to "how do we push her from ruthless but somehow rational conqueror to mass murderer of women and children?" was something just slightly more complex than "Eh, let's have her snap in the heat of the moment".

About what to change.... as I've read online somewhere else, it's so much easier to make changes to someone else's finished work, than to come up with a full story of your own. It's so easy so say "I would have done this and that" and tweak the author's story. With this premise, I like also one of the proposals I've read online - having Rhaegal just being wounded at the Iron Fleet ambush, so that he would be most useless in the attack of King's Landing, and then having Euron, survivor of the Iron Fleet destruction, finding somehow a ballista still working and still be the one that takes Rhaegal out. Have all the people of King's Landing cheering at the death of the "monster" - Dany seeing the people that are supposed to love her actually cheer at the violent death of her child would be more than enough to sell her "Burn them all" mentality.

Regarding the Dorne plot... I think it could have been saved with just some minor tweakings as well, maybe I'll go in fanfic mode and attempt to change the final scene of Season 5 later :D
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Post by: Zantera on May 15, 2019, 03:51:32 AM: I think the character arcs with pretty much all the Lannisters have felt a bit lackluster this season:

Tyrion - maybe my favorite character through the whole show, still great when he is on screen but basically reduced to sidekick. Wish he got something more interesting to do because the conflict has been there (him siding with Dany against his family and now Dany torching everything makes him look like a bit of a fool for siding with her) but sadly most of his scenes have been him getting treated like a child by Dany. Was a nice scene when he freed Jamie but overall his role has been slightly disappointing in how small it has been.

Jamie - think over the course of the first few seasons he went from a character everyone hated to a character a lot of people liked and for all the twists and turns about him going against Cersei or siding with her in the end, ultimately his story ending felt like a bit of a bummer. I think part of me was hoping he'd leave his crazy sister and settle down peacefully somewhere.

Cersei - while i understand people who were happy with her death, i feel slightly mixed on it. First off i agree that Cersei this season has been completely wasted. She used to have great scenes being ruthless and I was hoping all the way until the end that she would be making plans and having some alternative plan B ready. She has been one of the highlights of the show in terms of acting and she wasn't given much to do this season. I liked the angle of showing her as weak and powerless and basically just standing in her castle seeing the city destroyed without any power to stop it, i like her breaking down and realizing she had lost, but part of me wishes that the actual death felt more satisfying. We know she's dead but nobody else does. They're left to assume she died sometime during the battle which feels a bit underwhelming as a story conclusion for the many characters seeking to kill her. I'm not really crazy about her death either way though, I can see the writers trying to do something unexpected (rather than Arya chopping her head off) and I'll always give some credit for trying an alternative route that might be risky. This didn't entirely work for me, but I appreciated some aspects of it.
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Post by: ariich on May 15, 2019, 05:08:52 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 01:54:13 AM
Quote from: Adami on May 14, 2019, 07:16:31 PM
- There is a difference between foreshadowing and telecasting something. Her going mad the way she did was telecasted this episode.
- They were NOT building to her murdering the masses outside of earlier in the same episode. They were building to her being a ruthless conqueror who wanted the throne above all. They only included the "I will rule by fear" in this episode. So no, it has not be foreshadowed for seasons that she would ruthlessly murder women, children and innocents. Her murdering masters, and slavers, and queens, and kings, and her enemies is NOT the same as murdering civilians. Sorry. Her deciding that she will rule by fear by murdering everyone was a very very very recent development, not something long established.

The "telecasting" for me came also from the voiceovers at the beginning of the episode, with quotes from everyone about the Targaryen being nuts, even picking up old Maester Aemon's quote about "A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing". It's like they made Cersei saying stuff like "I hate children, I want the Mountain to stomp them all" and then add in the "previously on" segment the quote from Tyrion "you love your children, that's your redeeming quality" to sell better her "I don't want my child to die" at the end. No need for that however 'cause her character traits were well estabilished.
This might be nitpicky but the "previously on" type thing at the start isn't part of the show itself. It's not part of the episode stream in the UK, certainly. So I've literally never seen a single one of them for GOT. I get what they're for in general and for some shows they work quite well, but it sounds like HBO hasn't been doing a very good job with them.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 15, 2019, 06:13:49 AM: Quote from: Zantera on May 15, 2019, 03:51:32 AM

Cersei - while i understand people who were happy with her death, i feel slightly mixed on it. First off i agree that Cersei this season has been completely wasted. She used to have great scenes being ruthless and I was hoping all the way until the end that she would be making plans and having some alternative plan B ready. She has been one of the highlights of the show in terms of acting and she wasn't given much to do this season. I liked the angle of showing her as weak and powerless and basically just standing in her castle seeing the city destroyed without any power to stop it, i like her breaking down and realizing she had lost, but part of me wishes that the actual death felt more satisfying. We know she's dead but nobody else does. They're left to assume she died sometime during the battle which feels a bit underwhelming as a story conclusion for the many characters seeking to kill her. I'm not really crazy about her death either way though, I can see the writers trying to do something unexpected (rather than Arya chopping her head off) and I'll always give some credit for trying an alternative route that might be risky. This didn't entirely work for me, but I appreciated some aspects of it.

That's actually a good point, although given that the clip for next week showed a brief clip of him walking around and looking at the carnage, I suspect we will see Tyrion eventually make his way to see the collapsed Red Keep and see the dinghy still there, which will tell him that neither his sister nor his brother made it out alive.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 06:32:45 AM: I felt unsatisfied with Cersei's death too, albeit for different reasons and mostly just because it felt like she got out of it sort of easy. Sure we got to see her kind of go crazy with her sayings she's been using for years about the red keep never falling (and it literally fell, on her) which was nice, but I guess it's just a me thing, but I wanted to see someone actually go after her directly. Dany never did surprisingly and I understand Jaime not, but I definitely wanted him to as well. Or even Arya. She almost got a happy ending being in the arms of Jaime which had a lot of symbolism but I felt kind of bummed by it.
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Post by: Podaar on May 15, 2019, 06:37:07 AM: Not directed at anyone specifically. Just sharing because relevant and funny.

(https://i.imgur.com/vcjoLFE.jpg)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2019, 06:38:59 AM: 'bout sums up where I'm at. Not directed at anyone in particular in this forum.....this is a general sentiment towards the internet in general.

(https://i.imgur.com/d18HYkq.jpg)
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Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 06:41:26 AM: :lol :lol
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 15, 2019, 06:44:31 AM: Nice! Considering how so many people hate the show now you know everyone is going to be watching Sunday night.

Related, did anyone hear the rumor that the last two books are finished and GRRM made a deal with HBO to not publish them until the show is finished?
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 06:49:43 AM: Quote from: kaos2900 on May 15, 2019, 06:44:31 AM
Related, did anyone hear the rumor that the last two books are finished and GRRM made a deal with HBO to not publish them until the show is finished?

I don't believe it and I won't until it's official.

George Martin hasn't even finished working on a single book, and suddenly and out of nowhere he finished TWO books? I remember a quote from him about how there would be no hints, no cryptic messages, no campaign to lead up to the announcement of The Winds of Winter - the book would be done when it would be done and that was it. He doesn't strike me as someone who would generate hype with misdirection. Also, he genuinely has issues in getting the story right the way he wants it (hence the time passing between each book), so I can't see him, in the midst of other projects and working on the show (at least for the first seasons) and all the other stuff he's been involved with thanks to his sudden fame, finishing not one but TWO books and be secretive about it.
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Post by: ariich on May 15, 2019, 06:50:57 AM: GRRM has already said that it's nonsense. He's not finished Winds of Winter and hasn't even started the final volume.

EDIT: This rumour came from the actor who played Ser Barristan Selmy saying that he'd understood that GRRM had finished the last two books. It's possible he'd just entirely got it wrong, or possibly it was confusion because the Winds of Winter is expected to be two books like some of the previous volumes have been.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 06:55:58 AM: I think that would be the ultimate shock
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 06:57:39 AM: Also,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7025245/Game-Thrones-prequel-working-title-Bloodmoon-stars-start-shooting-new-series.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7025245/Game-Thrones-prequel-working-title-Bloodmoon-stars-start-shooting-new-series.html)

looks like they are already hard at work on this
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Post by: Grappler on May 15, 2019, 08:42:44 AM: Awesome. I love how the shot of the flying dragon and Tyrion looking into the sky matches up with the lyrics of "Take a look to the sky just before you die"

Daenerys Storms King's Landing, but to Metallica's For Whom the Bell Tolls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHlCiB98N4&feature=player_embedded
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Post by: ErHaO on May 15, 2019, 09:18:32 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2019, 06:38:59 AM
'bout sums up where I'm at. Not directed at anyone in particular in this forum.....this is a general sentiment towards the internet in general.

(https://i.imgur.com/d18HYkq.jpg)

It is not like it is a decision people make or a switch you can flip. People have been near unanimously gushing over this show for 8 years, it is just that this season sucks for many of those people and they are voicing their opinion. I would rather be enjoying this too, but in the mean time I will enjoy all the memes this season has spawn like happy Tyrion in that picture.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 09:20:39 AM: In an ironic, melodramatic and obviously not so serious way, my meme to go about how this season is going with only one episode EVER left is this one, going back to Season 1:

(https://i.imgur.com/XEn8Oew.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2019, 09:28:27 AM: Quote from: ErHaO on May 15, 2019, 09:18:32 AM
It is not like it is a decision people make or a switch you can flip. People have been near unanimously gushing over this show for 8 years, it is just that this season sucks for many of those people and they are voicing their opinion. I would rather be enjoying this too, but in the mean time I will enjoy all the memes this season has spawn like happy Tyrion in that picture.

Yeah....I'm not here to argue with folks and tell them how wrong they are about not liking the season. Everyone has their own view on the show and what their expectations are/were. I'm legitimately bummed for all of you guys/gals that have been THAT disappointed. As you could read throughout the thread....I've had some misgivings here and there with this season (and last) but nothing to the point of it ruining the show for me.
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Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 09:28:51 AM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0a7RDPkM8

Cool jam of the main theme.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 09:32:37 AM: I've stated many of my complaints this season, but if anyone were to think that means I am not enjoying the show, they couldn't be more wrong (and I'm not saying people are, just kind of clarifying myself). I have issues, sure, but it's still fantastic TV and my favorite show, by far. My complaints only hurt because I love the show so much and know it's capable of being even better than it currently is, but I am going to be sooo sad Sunday when this is over.
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Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 09:36:47 AM: They actually made my graduation ceremony this Sunday. So I'll be in LA with no real way to watch GoT until Tuesday.

As disappointed as I am in the writing (just that) these last few seasons, it's going to be hard waiting til Tuesday to catch the finale.
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Post by: Chino on May 15, 2019, 09:40:21 AM: I skipped my college graduation for far less than that :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 09:40:33 AM: Wow that's rough, my coworker has a wedding Sunday :lol I feel bad for that couple as everyone is going to be more interested in GOT and getting home than the wedding, maybe even the couple too
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 09:41:17 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 09:32:37 AM
My complaints only hurt because I love the show so much and know it's capable of being even better than it currently is, but I am going to be sooo sad Sunday when this is over.

Also, discussing the writing and the story is more engaging than agreeing over and over about how the cinematography, the soundtrack and the performances are. The story might have took a dive - but the production values have never been better, have always been so since the beginning, and will probably go down in history as a benchmark until 20-30 years from now the development of technology will bring something even better to the table.

And for me, Light of the Seven will go down as the most beautiful piece of music of the show. The Rains of Castamere is the most famous, but on a musical standpoint, Light of the Seven wins the gold medal, especially in conjunction with the initial scene of The Winds of Winter. Also the Night King theme was fantastic.

Speaking of Light of the Seven, anyone caught it in the end of Cersei's scenes? it eventually merged into The Rains of Castamere. Awesome stuff.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 09:42:53 AM: Oh yea, the production, music, acting, all top notch. I almost don't even feel the need to give that praise since it's just so obvious but yea, it's the best.
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Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 09:43:26 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 15, 2019, 09:40:21 AM
I skipped my college graduation for far less than that :lol

Was it for getting a doctorate? I feel like this one takes precedence, especially when I can catch GoT at home.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 10:26:18 AM: I would really like some more insight, post-finale, as things are winding down, into D&D's decision to rush everything here. You know, something deeper than what we know. Why they ever thought it would be a good idea to rush the ending of the biggest show on Earth, and why they didn't hand it off to someone who would've liked to carry it on. (I watched all of those behind-the-scenes videos prior to season 8, where they interviewed each of the main cast members, and some definitely were glad to end it there, but man. What I would give to go back in time and convince them to do 12 seasons.)

We live in a world where The Walking Dead has 10 seasons and probably several more, and GoT got rushed in the last two. What the actual f&*$.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 10:29:49 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 10:26:18 AM
I would really like some more insight, post-finale, as things are winding down, into D&D's decision to rush everything here. You know, something deeper than what we know. Why they ever thought it would be a good idea to rush the ending of the biggest show on Earth, and why they didn't hand it off to someone who would've liked to carry it on.

We live in a world where The Walking Dead has 10 seasons and probably several more, and GoT got rushed in the last two. What the actual f&*$.

Maybe that behind the scenes doc that airs on the 26th will give more insight https://mashable.com/video/hbo-game-of-thrones-the-last-watch-trailer/ (https://mashable.com/video/hbo-game-of-thrones-the-last-watch-trailer/)
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Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 10:31:44 AM: ^^ I really hope so. I'm psyched to watch that. I wish every episode this season was 2 hours...
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Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 10:34:23 AM: Yea, I am looking forward to it as well. Usually seeing how they make it is cool, but I really want to see behind the scenes on the writing process, but not sure if they will show what I want to see. I'd love to see them having a round table internal discussion and how they come to the conclusions of how to end the stories. I'd love seeing the writers shoot the shit like how we do essentially and come to agreement on what they think makes sense and the best TV. I think knowing that would also help ease the pain of when you feel things didn't go well, maybe seeing them work through it and explain it would make it more understandable and justifiable as well.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 15, 2019, 10:44:01 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 10:26:18 AM
I would really like some more insight, post-finale, as things are winding down, into D&D's decision to rush everything here. You know, something deeper than what we know. Why they ever thought it would be a good idea to rush the ending of the biggest show on Earth, and why they didn't hand it off to someone who would've liked to carry it on. (I watched all of those behind-the-scenes videos prior to season 8, where they interviewed each of the main cast members, and some definitely were glad to end it there, but man. What I would give to go back in time and convince them to do 12 seasons.)

We live in a world where The Walking Dead has 10 seasons and probably several more, and GoT got rushed in the last two. What the actual f&*$.

Well, as I said the other day, 8 seasons is a long time to maintain that kind of high consistency. Leaving GoT out of the equation (so as to not start that debate), I cannot think of a single drama in TV history that lasted 8+ seasons that was great from the start and stayed consistently so till the end. The Sopranos basically did 7 (although they cheated by calling the last two 6a and 6b), but even that got less great later on (Season 4 was somewhat choppy, 6a was pretty average, and 6b was inconsistent).
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Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 10:45:41 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 15, 2019, 10:44:01 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 10:26:18 AM
I would really like some more insight, post-finale, as things are winding down, into D&D's decision to rush everything here. You know, something deeper than what we know. Why they ever thought it would be a good idea to rush the ending of the biggest show on Earth, and why they didn't hand it off to someone who would've liked to carry it on. (I watched all of those behind-the-scenes videos prior to season 8, where they interviewed each of the main cast members, and some definitely were glad to end it there, but man. What I would give to go back in time and convince them to do 12 seasons.)

We live in a world where The Walking Dead has 10 seasons and probably several more, and GoT got rushed in the last two. What the actual f&*$.

Well, as I said the other day, 8 seasons is a long time to maintain that kind of high consistency. Leaving GoT out of the equation (so as to not start that debate), I cannot think of a single drama in TV history that lasted 8+ seasons that was great from the start and stayed consistently so till the end. The Sopranos basically did 7 (although they cheated by calling the last two 6a and 6b), but even that got less great later on (Season 4 was somewhat choppy, 6a was pretty average, and 6b was inconsistent).

That's true, but I mean, if any series could have done it, I would have thought it would be Game of Thrones. Not the freaking Walking Dead. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 10:56:56 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 15, 2019, 10:44:01 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 10:26:18 AM
I would really like some more insight, post-finale, as things are winding down, into D&D's decision to rush everything here. You know, something deeper than what we know. Why they ever thought it would be a good idea to rush the ending of the biggest show on Earth, and why they didn't hand it off to someone who would've liked to carry it on. (I watched all of those behind-the-scenes videos prior to season 8, where they interviewed each of the main cast members, and some definitely were glad to end it there, but man. What I would give to go back in time and convince them to do 12 seasons.)

We live in a world where The Walking Dead has 10 seasons and probably several more, and GoT got rushed in the last two. What the actual f&*$.

Well, as I said the other day, 8 seasons is a long time to maintain that kind of high consistency. Leaving GoT out of the equation (so as to not start that debate), I cannot think of a single drama in TV history that lasted 8+ seasons that was great from the start and stayed consistently so till the end. The Sopranos basically did 7 (although they cheated by calling the last two 6a and 6b), but even that got less great later on (Season 4 was somewhat choppy, 6a was pretty average, and 6b was inconsistent).

I would argue that GoT has not stayed consistently good, but that even lesser seasons have had great moments that usually cause people to forget about the lesser stuff.

I would say GoT has, largely, declined in quality over the last few seasons. To a crazy extent that makes it unwatchable? Nah. But enough to rule it out as having 8 consistently amazing seasons. For me at least.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 15, 2019, 11:02:36 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 15, 2019, 10:44:01 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 10:26:18 AM
I would really like some more insight, post-finale, as things are winding down, into D&D's decision to rush everything here. You know, something deeper than what we know. Why they ever thought it would be a good idea to rush the ending of the biggest show on Earth, and why they didn't hand it off to someone who would've liked to carry it on. (I watched all of those behind-the-scenes videos prior to season 8, where they interviewed each of the main cast members, and some definitely were glad to end it there, but man. What I would give to go back in time and convince them to do 12 seasons.)

We live in a world where The Walking Dead has 10 seasons and probably several more, and GoT got rushed in the last two. What the actual f&*$.

Well, as I said the other day, 8 seasons is a long time to maintain that kind of high consistency. Leaving GoT out of the equation (so as to not start that debate), I cannot think of a single drama in TV history that lasted 8+ seasons that was great from the start and stayed consistently so till the end. The Sopranos basically did 7 (although they cheated by calling the last two 6a and 6b), but even that got less great later on (Season 4 was somewhat choppy, 6a was pretty average, and 6b was inconsistent).
Yeah this was what I was thinking about recently as well, the top tier TV dramas normally end around or ideally before 8 seasons, outside of maybe comedies I can't think of any TV show I really think was anywhere near as strong by its eigth season as when it started out. Most either go downhill or start spinning their wheels by then (for example I actually gave up watching the Walking Dead after Season 8, I'll probably get back to it at some point but I definitely wouldn't consider it as an example of a show that remained at a quality close to its best as time went on and ended before it got stale). Regardless of source material or good writing or not, I think any show's tropes and tricks will end up wearing a bit thin after that long. One thing common to some of the great shows is ending it in a timely manner

But the story of ASOIAF has grown so large that it'd be a struggle to fit a full adaptation into even 10 TV seasons. So you've got a story that's probably best suited to having even more space to sprawl and sprawl being adapted to a medium that is best suited to running 6 or 7 seasons max (imo). Even if the writers had the full source material or had gone about adapting Books 4 and 5 and GRRM's outline more fully, I think the show would have risked succumbing to the problems of any long running drama if it tried to go 10+ seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 15, 2019, 11:04:48 AM: Quote from: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 09:18:25 PM

What I can’t forgive is, once again, a main character just sort of goes out with a whimper. In this case I mean Cersei, both literally and figuratively. What a piss poor ending to a great character. Cersei was given ZERO thought by the writers this season. Shame.

The Night King and Littlefinger were given similar treatment. Great, interesting characters, ZERO payoff.

Um, what?

Cersei went out defeated and crying, before the building collapsed and killed her. That is a great ending to her character. Instead of a quick death in a moment where she thought she was still in control, it was very satisfying to see her spirit completely broken before her life ended.

The Night King was an interesting character? He was a one-trick pony with zero emotion or range.

Littlefinger's payoff was amazing, with the Stark ladies tricking him and eventually executing him. That was great stuff.

Agree to disagree.

Think about it. Cersei, your strongest, most cunning, ruthless character just goes down passively crying. The same character who blew up the entire Sept to avoid a trial. She has done NOTHING this entire season except sleep with Euron. And then she just quietly moves out of the way for Cleganebowl. Dumb.

The Night King had zero payoff. That’s not even debatable at this point. Lame, pointless ending to an arc the show spent the entire show hyping the hell out of.

I mean, you can defend this Season all you want but it’s going down as THE biggest letdowns in TV history.

I don't post in this thread much, because my depth of knowledge of this show isn't on the same level as a lot of folks. However, I completely agree with Kev.

Cersei's death demonstrated that she had (and never had) any real power. Her "power" existed only in her ability to manipulate people to do what she wanted. However, when the shit was hitting the fan and her followers were getting roasted and panicking, her power disappeared. She skulked off and died in the arms of the only man she ever really loved.

The Night King was barely a character. He was nothing more than a focal point for the White Walkers as a group.

And Littlefinger's death was one of the best in the whole series.

I think GOT -- more than Star Wars even -- has fallen victim to "fan theory syndrome." So many fans come up with theories about what will happen or should happen and absolutely convince themselves and others that those theories are "correct." Then, when those theories don't actually play out, they decide that the writers have failed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 12:05:59 PM: So I think I realized my main issue with Dany doing what she did and the army following.

Not that it made zero sense or that it came out of nowhere, but that it served one specific function.

To shock the audience. It was a decision made for the impact it would have on us, as opposed to simply being the logical part of the story. It's the intentionallity, or at least what feels like the intentionallity.

With stuff like The Red Wedding, that felt like where the story was going and the shock factor was a very pleasant perk of that. But Dany and the armies killing everyone felt, first and foremost, like a way of impacting the audience.

Not sure if that makes sense.

And obviously we'll never really know for sure. But that's my interpretation and why I think I have such a distaste for it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 15, 2019, 12:07:44 PM: I was more into The Purple Purpling if that makes sense.

edit: come on, editing that kind of shit isn't fair. :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 12:15:21 PM: Quote from: pg1067 on May 15, 2019, 11:04:48 AM
I think GOT -- more than Star Wars even -- has fallen victim to "fan theory syndrome." So many fans come up with theories about what will happen or should happen and absolutely convince themselves and others that those theories are "correct." Then, when those theories don't actually play out, they decide that the writers have failed.

Well, depends on the actual outcome. I'd like to go and find the most appreciated theories of how Breaking Bad would end, and match them up to the actual finale, to see how they compare.

Speaking of Breaking Bad, it's not really the same at having a bullet point and having to match it up, but the authors painted themselves in a corner at the beginning of the final season. They showed in the cold open Walter getting a rifle, without having planned for it. In whatever interview they even admitted it was stupid. So they had to start from a bullet point, "Walter needs a rifle", and they had to create a storyline that would justify that.

I think the general consensus on that is "mission accomplished" in creating an organic story that leads to Walter having the need for a rifle. While the internet is exploding with comments about the road to the destination for the characters was a bit off, they can't be all entitled or spoiled fans...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 12:15:36 PM: Quote from: Evermind on May 15, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
I was more into The Purple Purpling if that makes sense.

edit: come on, editing that kind of shit isn't fair. :P

:loser:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 15, 2019, 12:16:56 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
Quote from: Evermind on May 15, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
I was more into The Purple Purpling if that makes sense.

edit: come on, editing that kind of shit isn't fair. :P

:loser:

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:biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 12:17:45 PM: Child, when you play the game of posts, you win or you die.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 12:19:36 PM: :lol :lol :lol

This has at least made me want to dive back into creative writing which I haven't done for well over a decade. I've always wanted to write fantasy novels even when I was a kid but it's such a daunting task to research so much that you don't know about in order to create a convincing world. It's pretty amazing everyone involved has managed to bring Westeros to life, quality of the last 2 seasons be damned. Only a few more days to go, folks...

... anybody want to bet how many plotlines go unresolved by the end? :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2019, 12:24:52 PM: Still curious as to what happened with Meera. She took care of Bran and was just like ‘peace’ when he turned all weird Raven man.

Dario. Guess he’s shagging Mereen tail and ruling away?

Will be see Bronn again?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 12:39:12 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 12:19:36 PM
:lol :lol :lol

This has at least made me want to dive back into creative writing which I haven't done for well over a decade. I've always wanted to write fantasy novels even when I was a kid but it's such a daunting task to research so much that you don't know about in order to create a convincing world. It's pretty amazing everyone involved has managed to bring Westeros to life, quality of the last 2 seasons be damned. Only a few more days to go, folks...

... anybody want to bet how many plotlines go unresolved by the end? :lol

My early attempts at writing not exactly novels included the plots for imaginary movies, which were kinda detailed like the summaries you can read on Wikipedia. I remember conjuring up "Alligator" which was a total ripoff of Jurassic Park, of course you had alligators instead of dinosaurs and in the end they made a mess eating all the bad guys :rollin

I was also writing, as bullet points of an historical chronicle, the events of an imaginary World War. I remember the leader of Germany was named Kater, and they were the bad guys - 1000 points of originality for me :lol and I made some absurd choices that even I, years later, couldn't imagine why the hell I did them, such as:
- Denmark was invaded twice, on page three and on page five again (I guess the alternate nazis forgot they invaded Denmark...)
- Norway was an ally of Germany and was suddenly attacked for no damn reason at all
- One capital, either Berlin or Paris, was conquered by having scores and scores of car-bombs exploding, I assume that the kid in me found fascinating and brutal the idea of a car bomb so soldiers evidently snuck in the city by night all unnoticed, placed all the car bombs, and made them explode simultaneously :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 01:05:36 PM: I hope my last post about Dany wasn't lost. I didn't see it mentioned at least here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 15, 2019, 01:57:21 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2019, 12:05:59 PM
So I think I realized my main issue with Dany doing what she did and the army following.

Not that it made zero sense or that it came out of nowhere, but that it served one specific function.

To shock the audience. It was a decision made for the impact it would have on us, as opposed to simply being the logical part of the story. It's the intentionallity, or at least what feels like the intentionallity.

With stuff like The Red Wedding, that felt like where the story was going and the shock factor was a very pleasant perk of that. But Dany and the armies killing everyone felt, first and foremost, like a way of impacting the audience.

Not sure if that makes sense.

And obviously we'll never really know for sure. But that's my interpretation and why I think I have such a distaste for it.
I'm afraid I don't agree with this at all. The Red Wedding was completely sudden and shocking and only made sense in retrospect when looking at the events leading up to it. Same here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 02:00:03 PM: I agree with ariich on that as well..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: contest_sanity on May 15, 2019, 02:00:38 PM: When the double-bass hits at the 2:47 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6austQHyJQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6austQHyJQU)

:metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 15, 2019, 02:16:06 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2019, 07:51:00 AM
Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. Maybe Dany didn't "go mad" at all.

Remember, she didn't want to stop the wheel. She wanted to BREAK the wheel. The wheel of neverending rule by people who didn't have the interests of the people at heart. The wheel of subjugation, of the domination of the powerless by the powerful. That's why she upset the longstanding balance of rule by slavery in Essos.

Maybe her goal was to win the Iron Throne so that she could destroy the Iron Throne. Maybe her whole goal was to do away with rule of the masses by the few.

Maybe her hope was to do it by being accepted with open arms by the populace, and then using that power to give them all their freedom by self-rule. But when she saw that this would never be possible, she decided that she would have to use fire and blood to show the people that even a ruler who liberates them from a bad ruler, is still a bad ruler themselves. To show them that there are no good rulers in reality. To show them that being ruled is not the best way to live.

Once the bells began to ring, the look on her face was not her going mad, but realizing that the time to break the wheel had come, and she finally realized her terrible purpose.

Just maybe.
No thoughts on this?

I mean, I don't believe it's true. Just another way to look at it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 02:49:29 PM: Quote from: ariich on May 15, 2019, 01:57:21 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2019, 12:05:59 PM
So I think I realized my main issue with Dany doing what she did and the army following.

Not that it made zero sense or that it came out of nowhere, but that it served one specific function.

To shock the audience. It was a decision made for the impact it would have on us, as opposed to simply being the logical part of the story. It's the intentionallity, or at least what feels like the intentionallity.

With stuff like The Red Wedding, that felt like where the story was going and the shock factor was a very pleasant perk of that. But Dany and the armies killing everyone felt, first and foremost, like a way of impacting the audience.

Not sure if that makes sense.

And obviously we'll never really know for sure. But that's my interpretation and why I think I have such a distaste for it.
I'm afraid I don't agree with this at all. The Red Wedding was completely sudden and shocking and only made sense in retrospect when looking at the events leading up to it. Same here.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 02:58:53 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 15, 2019, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2019, 07:51:00 AM
Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. Maybe Dany didn't "go mad" at all.

Remember, she didn't want to stop the wheel. She wanted to BREAK the wheel. The wheel of neverending rule by people who didn't have the interests of the people at heart. The wheel of subjugation, of the domination of the powerless by the powerful. That's why she upset the longstanding balance of rule by slavery in Essos.

Maybe her goal was to win the Iron Throne so that she could destroy the Iron Throne. Maybe her whole goal was to do away with rule of the masses by the few.

Maybe her hope was to do it by being accepted with open arms by the populace, and then using that power to give them all their freedom by self-rule. But when she saw that this would never be possible, she decided that she would have to use fire and blood to show the people that even a ruler who liberates them from a bad ruler, is still a bad ruler themselves. To show them that there are no good rulers in reality. To show them that being ruled is not the best way to live.

Once the bells began to ring, the look on her face was not her going mad, but realizing that the time to break the wheel had come, and she finally realized her terrible purpose.

Just maybe.
No thoughts on this?

I mean, I don't believe it's true. Just another way to look at it.

She WANTED that throne like nothing else in life. No way she commits mass murder and genocide just to prove a point. We'll see how and if she'll explain herself next episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 03:03:21 PM: I'd throw that up there with theories that could work but too details and nuanced at this point in the show when everything is getting simplified for the ending. I'd be super surprised if Dany at the end, didn't actually want the thrown just because she's been so explicit about her rites to the thrown since the beginning. Maybe since she doesn't have that rite she would back off, but doing the burning of innocents makes me think she isn't backing off her stance on wanting the throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:05:42 PM: I think in the first few seasons, we could make speculations for hidden agendas and stuff.

But the last few and especially this one? If I've noticed anything, it's that they just kind of tell us everything and there's nothing else.

Why did Jamie go back? Well, he said it was to be with Cersei. So it was to be with Cersei.

Why did Night King want to do stuff? To kill memories.

Why did Dany go nuts? Cause Targaryans go nuts.

They don't seem to be doing subtle stuff like hidden or secret agendas. When a character tells you something or demonstrates something, it's most likely that this is all there is to it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 03:08:25 PM: I have a theory: Bronn ain't getting his castle. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:09:18 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 03:08:25 PM
I have a theory: Bronn ain't getting his castle. :lol

I disagree. I think everyone kills each other off and Bronn is left standing alone.

With ALL the castles.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 03:11:11 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 03:08:25 PM
I have a theory: Bronn ain't getting his castle. :lol

I watched a video on him recently, essentially a summary of how his debts have not been paid for many seasons of work now and it really helped explain his turn this season which I kind of felt wierd about initially, like he's been so buddy buddy with Tyrion and Jaime, would he really kill them? After watching that video, I can see why his frustrations are at all high levels. Would be funny though if he is the one who makes out with a happy ending and not Jaime (we know) and TYrion (who I fear might be killed next episode).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 03:19:55 PM: :lol

I'm so concerned about Tyrion. I think Dany will want him executed because freeing Jaime was his final mistake. But I wonder if Jon will try to save him, or kill Dany before Tyrion can be executed. But if Jon does end up killing Dany, will Grey Worm kill him on the spot? What will happen to him? Will he publicly announce his real name? Fudge. I am sad I won't be able to speculate after Sunday.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:25:43 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 03:19:55 PM
:lol

I'm so concerned about Tyrion. I think Dany will want him executed because freeing Jaime was his final mistake. But I wonder if Jon will try to save him, or kill Dany before Tyrion can be executed. But if Jon does end up killing Dany, will Grey Worm kill him on the spot? What will happen to him? Will he publicly announce his real name? Fudge. I am sad I won't be able to speculate after Sunday.

Yea, I am eager to see how they handle Dany since she still has the unsullied, the dothraki and ....I dunno.....A GOD DAMN DRAGON totally loyal to her. None of those people (save for possibly Drogon) will side with Jon if he has to kill Dany. They don't care about murdering everyone.

Also, soon enough you'll have a prequel about the Children of the Forest to speculate about.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on May 15, 2019, 03:27:28 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 link=topic=22094.msg2551681#msg2551681 date=154 eww57951366
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2019, 07:51:00 AM
Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. Maybe Dany didn't "go mad" at all.

Remember, she didn't want to stop the wheel. She wanted to BREAK the wheel. The wheel of neverending rule by people who didn't have the interests of the people at heart. The wheel of subjugation, of the domination of the powerless by the powerful. That's why she upset the longstanding balance of rule by slavery in Essos.

Maybe her goal was to win the Iron Throne so that she could destroy the Iron Throne. Maybe her whole goal was to do away with rule of the masses by the few.

Maybe her hope was to do it by being accepted with open arms by the populace, and then using that power to give them all their freedom by self-rule. But when she saw that this would never be possible, she decided that she would have to use fire and blood to show the people that even a ruler who liberates them from a bad ruler, is still a bad ruler themselves. To show them that there are no good rulers in reality. To show them that being ruled is not the best way to live.

Once the bells began to ring, the look on her face was not her going mad, but realizing that the time to break the wheel had come, and she finally realized her terrible purpose.

Just maybe.
No thoughts on this?

I mean, I don't believe it's true. Just another way to look at it.

Hef, you are into something.

Daenerys: When my dragons are grown we will take back what was stolen from me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.

Daenerys: I will take what is mine through fire and blood.

She said this and now that it happened we are all hurt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 03:27:58 PM: If Tyrion dies, I'll riot in the streets. Or whatever's left of King's Landing.

For all the story trainwrecks, there are still many questions up in the air and not predictable at all.

Will Dany live or not? if she dies, who kills her? Jon? Arya, with the authors gloating in the behind the scenes "Arya always said she was gonna kill the queen, but we surprised you with which one"? if she lives, does she go back to Mereen and stay there?

What happens with Drogon, especially if Dany dies? flies off nowhere to be seen again? submits to Jon? if so, what does Jon do with him?

Who gets the Iron Throne? is it even intact after all the carnage? let's say Jon accepts the coronation, and as first act he abdicates... in favor of whom? Bran? Sansa? with all the carnage there has been, does it even matter a line of succession?

Will the Seven Kingdoms split up?

Will Sansa be hinted at what she'll do with her life and who she'll marry?

Will Sandor's talk with Arya - the only father he had after Ned Stark's execution - be enough to send her back to Gendry?

What will be the last scene?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:30:10 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 03:27:58 PM

Will Sandor's talk with Arya - the only father he had after Ned Stark's execution - be enough to send her back to Gendry?

I have issues with this question. If she's not a ninja assassin, she has to go and be with Gendry? She could just go live her own life. I don't like the idea that if the girl isn't a crazy killer, she better just go get married.

And the answer to all of your other questions is ~~Bronn~~ Podrick.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 03:30:26 PM: Yea, Tyrion essentially signed his death sentance by freeing Jaime and then Dany went Mad King so I figure he is up for a burning next episode and that to me is what I also think might be the tipping point for Jon who respects Tyrion a lot and Sansa as well. I just wonder if its the burning itself that gets them to turn or the idea of the burn and they stop it. I'm very worried for Tyrion next episode. Or he could get torched by the dragons just to see that he is also unburnt and a secret targ too. Then maybe we see his genitals :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 15, 2019, 03:38:14 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 03:27:58 PM

Will Sandor's talk with Arya - the only father he had after Ned Stark's execution - be enough to send her back to Gendry?

I have issues with this question. If she's not a ninja assassin, she has to go and be with Gendry? She could just go live her own life. I don't like the idea that if the girl isn't a crazy killer, she better just go get married.
Point of clarification: Arya was never crazy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:43:21 PM: Quote from: ariich on May 15, 2019, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 03:27:58 PM

Will Sandor's talk with Arya - the only father he had after Ned Stark's execution - be enough to send her back to Gendry?

I have issues with this question. If she's not a ninja assassin, she has to go and be with Gendry? She could just go live her own life. I don't like the idea that if the girl isn't a crazy killer, she better just go get married.
Point of clarification: Arya was never crazy.

Oh I was just using it as an adjective for skill. We do that in America sometimes. Like "woah, you're a crazy good athlete!" or something. I didn't mean mentally ill.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 03:47:23 PM: Last scene better be Jon petting that damn dog up in the troo norf.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:49:32 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 03:47:23 PM
Last scene better be Jon petting that damn dog up in the troo norf.

Oh him not petting Ghost was clearly the biggest blunder of the season.

Starbucks cup? Fine
Arya killing night king from nowhere? Fine.
Dany going nuts? Fine.
Poor pacing? Fine.
Jon not petting Ghost goodbye? GOD DAMMIT GAME OF THRONES YOU RUINED IT!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2019, 03:51:13 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 15, 2019, 03:47:23 PM
Last scene better be Jon petting that damn dog up in the troo norf.

too costly for CGI :lol

I'm sure it'll end with Sam waking up and doing the finishing touches on the book A Story of Ice and Fire.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 15, 2019, 04:32:53 PM: How is Jon going to kill Dany now? I don't see how he can get close to her to do it, since I can't see her allowing him to be alone with her again. And the Dothraki and Unsullied are going to protect her like never before. The best chance I see is Arya killing Grey Worm and then taking his face to where he can get close to Dany and then taking her out. Which then could lead to another war, as the Dothraki and Unsullied will go on a killing spree if anyone takes out their queen, and is there really time with one episode left for another war?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Podaar on May 15, 2019, 04:38:55 PM: Why does anyone else have to die?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 04:39:15 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 15, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
How is Jon going to kill Dany now? I don't see how he can get close to her to do it, since I can't see her allowing him to be alone with her again. And the Dothraki and Unsullied are going to protect her like never before. The best chance I see is Arya killing Grey Worm and then taking his face to where he can get close to Dany and then taking her out. Which then could lead to another war, as the Dothraki and Unsullied will go on a killing spree if anyone takes out their queen, and is there really time with one episode left for another war?

Could very well be that the show ends with the cycle of endless war and conflict repeating itself. What do we say to the god of happy endings? Not today...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 04:41:08 PM: How about this....all out war between the north and Dany and her people. We'll just forget about Drogon for a bit, which the writers seem to like.

Jon sees Dany is realizing that she can't be the mad queen. He sees hope in her eyes for the first time.

Then BAM!

Arrow into Dany's heart.

Jon looks to see who shot it, and there's Olly, giving him a nod.

Credits.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Volante99 on May 15, 2019, 04:45:45 PM: Quote from: pg1067 on May 15, 2019, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 14, 2019, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: Volante99 on May 14, 2019, 09:18:25 PM

What I can’t forgive is, once again, a main character just sort of goes out with a whimper. In this case I mean Cersei, both literally and figuratively. What a piss poor ending to a great character. Cersei was given ZERO thought by the writers this season. Shame.

The Night King and Littlefinger were given similar treatment. Great, interesting characters, ZERO payoff.

Um, what?

Cersei went out defeated and crying, before the building collapsed and killed her. That is a great ending to her character. Instead of a quick death in a moment where she thought she was still in control, it was very satisfying to see her spirit completely broken before her life ended.

The Night King was an interesting character? He was a one-trick pony with zero emotion or range.

Littlefinger's payoff was amazing, with the Stark ladies tricking him and eventually executing him. That was great stuff.

Agree to disagree.

Think about it. Cersei, your strongest, most cunning, ruthless character just goes down passively crying. The same character who blew up the entire Sept to avoid a trial. She has done NOTHING this entire season except sleep with Euron. And then she just quietly moves out of the way for Cleganebowl. Dumb.

The Night King had zero payoff. That’s not even debatable at this point. Lame, pointless ending to an arc the show spent the entire show hyping the hell out of.

I mean, you can defend this Season all you want but it’s going down as THE biggest letdowns in TV history.

I don't post in this thread much, because my depth of knowledge of this show isn't on the same level as a lot of folks. However, I completely agree with Kev.

Cersei's death demonstrated that she had (and never had) any real power. Her "power" existed only in her ability to manipulate people to do what she wanted. However, when the shit was hitting the fan and her followers were getting roasted and panicking, her power disappeared. She skulked off and died in the arms of the only man she ever really loved.

The Night King was barely a character. He was nothing more than a focal point for the White Walkers as a group.

And Littlefinger's death was one of the best in the whole series.

I think GOT -- more than Star Wars even -- has fallen victim to "fan theory syndrome." So many fans come up with theories about what will happen or should happen and absolutely convince themselves and others that those theories are "correct." Then, when those theories don't actually play out, they decide that the writers have failed.

There were about a million other ways to demonstrate Cersei’s lack of real power rather than just having her sulk away. Giving her some dialogue the past five episodes would have been an EXCELLENT start.

I disagree that the Night King/White Walkers weren’t interesting or compelling. They were the entire imperative of the show. THEY were why it mattered who had the Throne because humanity was at stake. Now without them they had to put that weight on Dany as the big baddie (which I don’t mind) but it was obviously abrupt and fans are definitely split on it.

I realize I’m in the minority about Littlefinger, but it was a quick end, clearly just to get some fan service and the writers had no idea where else to go with the character, but most people HATED Littlefinger so it was really more about the destination (his demise), people care less about the journey. So I’ll give that one a pass. It was definitely indicative of the current dumbing down of the show, however.

GoT fell victim, just like the current Star Wars trilogy, to a great story without an end game, writers using subversion, because they had no f-ing idea how to close this monster they created.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 04:55:41 PM: So just giving her some dialogue would've made her death better? I dunno man, I don't get it. Cersei has only ever exerted power through other people, never on her own. What was she supposed to do? She could've gone out angry and bitter like always, but in her final moments she just wants to protect her baby. I think you're forgetting that is a massive part of her character. She's crying not only because she doesn't want to die like that, but because it's exactly as she said: "I want my baby to live." And knowing that her unborn baby is going to die in such a horrific way is really unsettling...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 05:01:03 PM: Here's the deal. When Kattle agrees with me, or I agree with him, you know he's correct.

When he disagrees with me, you know he's wrong.

So we're agreeing here, which makes it objectively correct. :millahhhh
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on May 15, 2019, 05:13:37 PM: Tell me why you feel that Adami? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 15, 2019, 05:26:06 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
Here's the deal. When Kattle agrees with me, or I agree with him, you know he's correct.

When he disagrees with me, you know he's wrong.

So we're agreeing here, which makes it objectively correct. :millahhhh

WTF! :lol :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 15, 2019, 05:33:58 PM: Just getting your back bro. :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 15, 2019, 08:32:20 PM: Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2019, 12:05:59 PM
So I think I realized my main issue with Dany doing what she did and the army following.

Not that it made zero sense or that it came out of nowhere, but that it served one specific function.

To shock the audience. It was a decision made for the impact it would have on us, as opposed to simply being the logical part of the story. It's the intentionallity, or at least what feels like the intentionallity.

With stuff like The Red Wedding, that felt like where the story was going and the shock factor was a very pleasant perk of that. But Dany and the armies killing everyone felt, first and foremost, like a way of impacting the audience.

Not sure if that makes sense.

And obviously we'll never really know for sure. But that's my interpretation and why I think I have such a distaste for it.
I saw this post at the time but didn't really think there was much to say in reply, since I understand very much the point you make and how someone could see it that way, and while I don't fully agree I felt that to say anything counter to it would risk seeming like trying to invalidate your perspective on it. And that's not at all what I'd want to do - the issue you described is pretty much something that people either feel or don't feel about certain scenes and describing reasons why it comes across one way or the other can't change someone's impression from it.

But, since I see you mentioned it again to see if anyone has any comments on it: I definitely know the feeling you mean, often when I dislike writing it's because I feel like I'm seeing through to the writer's intent to force a certain reaction. I think that poor writing can take you out of the story and make you focus on the way the writer is trying to achieve something, in a way that feels manipulative or shallow. And I think if someone feels that way watching or reading something there's little that can stop them.

However, arguably any scene could potentially come across that way, since good dramatic scenes are by their nature trying to achieve a certain function. The Red Wedding was trying to be shocking too. Obviously for most people it worked and they didn't feel distaste at seeing an attempt by the writers to shock them. You described it as feeling like a more logical progression of the story making it feel less like a transparent attempt to impact the
audience, and I agree, but I could see how someone could feel differently and if they did I don't know that there's something to say to "convince" them otherwise.

So with that in mind, in the case of King's Landing, I felt it was somewhere in the middle - not quite as elegant and logical as the Red Wedding to keep me in the moment or make the shock tactics feel quite as earned, but not enough that it felt like "just" going for shock value. I've posted earlier about one of the ways the decision was built up to and emerged from Daenerys' viewpoint, I think there's a lot more you could say about it as well, so for me at least there's definitely enough there to dismiss the idea that it was completely forced. But, I think it is clearly such an extreme course of action that it makes sense to think "Why the fuck are you doing that?!" - and I actually think that's a good thing, or at least that it's an intentional possibility of the story we've got. Discussing or thinking about why Daenerys would burn King's Landing, wondering if the signs were really always there or how she felt it as justified in the moment or if she just went batshit insane, I think it's probably the most interesting topic from the season (at a point in the show where there aren't as many hidden agendas or motivations as before like you said). And for me, looking back at past scenes and analysis certainly helped sway me further towards the side of interesting but logical progression of the story rather than a decision primarily forced for the shock. I'm not saying anyone else has to consider those things or that it'll change how the scene came across, but if nothing else it's interesting to consider the extent it makes sense or not.

Also (since I may as well load up on the possibly controversial points)... I think that something like whether you see something as part of the story or you instead see the authorial intent laid bare does depend on the mindset of the person watching. And I think that's something that'a true of a lot of things - someone said earlier that you can't just choose to enjoy or hate something, and that's true to a certain extent but I think it's bogus that you can't somewhat choose the attitude you approach something with. Put it this way, if I sat down to watch season 8 with the intent to find loads of examples of Dumber and Dipshit's Bad Writing^TM, I could do it. Instead I approached it with moderate expectations, hoped to make the most out of what we got and tried to remember this was the end of a great show that I'd enjoyed for a long time, and I'll probably appreciate the whole story more looking back if I try to enjoy what I can of the ending now when watching it for the first time rather than dwelling on inevitable disappointments about things left out, things done differently, things done poorly. Some people might see it as willfully ignoring flaws or forcing yourself to like something but I certainly don't see it that way.

Similarly when it comes to scenes and the intent of shock value, I could sit down and watch the Red Wedding with the attitude of "Ok, they're obviously trying to shock me with this massacre". The way it begins with stabbing a pregnant woman in the belly was clearly aiming for shock value rather than because it's the most logical way - and I can even say "THAT'S NOT IN THE BOOKS!" so they clearly deliberately added that to impact the audience. They even leverage the other typical cheap emotional death, a dog dying, even going out of their way to raise hopes Arya might release the direwolf just to surprise the audience when he dies (even though it doesn't make sense for Arya to be able to sneak in to near the direwolf).

Now I'm not sure why I'd want to take such an attitude since I don't think it would enrich my life much, but it's possible. Obviously I don't think most people deliberately decide whether to view a scene one way or the other, mostly it's just a matter of whether the writing works for you or not. But I definitely think viewer attitude can give things at least a little nudge.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 01:09:46 AM: Quote from: Adami on May 15, 2019, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 15, 2019, 03:27:58 PM

Will Sandor's talk with Arya - the only father he had after Ned Stark's execution - be enough to send her back to Gendry?

I have issues with this question. If she's not a ninja assassin, she has to go and be with Gendry? She could just go live her own life. I don't like the idea that if the girl isn't a crazy killer, she better just go get married.

And the answer to all of your other questions is ~~Bronn~~ Podrick.

Well, it was more in the context of a "happy ending" for lack of a better term, having closure for a character. Say that shit goes down and Jon is enthroned or whatever, if Arya convincingly says to him "Listen, the world now will be at peace, there's so much to see, I want to travel and live my own life" or something like that, it would be more than fine, her marrying Gendry was just the easiest way to let us know where she will stand at the end. Also, a nice callback to the original intent of Robert Baratheon to unite their houses marrying his son to Ned's daugther.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 06:48:32 AM: I think I got spoiled last night, kind of annoyed by that and just want to say thanks internet, specifically the gaming world. I've seen people in video games like PUBG spoil other big movies before. I remember someone spamming the PUBG voice chat lobby with Star Wars spoilers. Well there is no voice chat in this game and someone put GOT spoilers as their user name which came across my screen when I killed this person. Obviously I don't need to believe it, but a youtube video I watched which was a review video hinted at the same spoiler which really pissed me off so it seems legit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 16, 2019, 06:58:26 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 06:48:32 AM
I think I got spoiled last night, kind of annoyed by that and just want to say thanks internet, specifically the gaming world. I've seen people in video games like PUBG spoil other big movies before. I remember someone spamming the PUBG voice chat lobby with Star Wars spoilers. Well there is no voice chat in this game and someone put GOT spoilers as their user name which came across my screen when I killed this person. Obviously I don't need to believe it, but a youtube video I watched which was a review video hinted at the same spoiler which really pissed me off so it seems legit.

Generally, I am against the death penalty, but when you point out people like that..........
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 16, 2019, 07:02:23 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 06:48:32 AM
I think I got spoiled last night, kind of annoyed by that and just want to say thanks internet, specifically the gaming world. I've seen people in video games like PUBG spoil other big movies before. I remember someone spamming the PUBG voice chat lobby with Star Wars spoilers. Well there is no voice chat in this game and someone put GOT spoilers as their user name which came across my screen when I killed this person. Obviously I don't need to believe it, but a youtube video I watched which was a review video hinted at the same spoiler which really pissed me off so it seems legit.

Ugh. That sucks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 16, 2019, 07:03:56 AM: I think I got a spoiler too :/

I was reading through the comment section of a leaked photo of a new RC truck being announced this afternoon, and then some random comment about 30 comments in was a single sentence in huge bold letters giving something away. I was livid.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 07:15:33 AM: Someone wrote which character died in The Force Awakens in the "happy new year" comments being screened on TV on a national end of the year show here in Italy.

Really, to think that people take pleasure in ruining something so relatively trivial to other people (entertainment), just to feel this kind of "hollow" power.... it's the general opinions that the Fifty Shades of Grey books and movies are total and complete, utter garbage, but if I knew the ending, I wouldn't spoil even that as "retribution" for liking something shitty. What changes in my world if someone wants to read a shitty book or see a shitty movie? just let them to so, it doesn't affect me any way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 07:27:25 AM: I dont get it because they dont even get to see or hear the satisfaction of pissing people off, it's just kind of odd to think someone finds that interesting or fun to do. Like Howard stern sends people on the street to spoil things (they dont actually but pretend to) for the reactions, but theres no reaction here so it doesnt even make sense. Maybe on a forum, I'm sure people would comment but still. That's just so petty.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 16, 2019, 07:43:24 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 16, 2019, 07:03:56 AM
I think I got a spoiler too :/

I was reading through the comment section of a leaked photo of a new RC truck being announced this afternoon, and then some random comment about 30 comments in was a single sentence in huge bold letters giving something away. I was livid.

Just ignorant....what's the point? Like Cramx3 says....they don't even get to see 'you' get spoiled? How someone can glean enjoyment from that is odd.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2019, 07:46:03 AM: A friend at work who sits next to me accidentally saw the spoiler the other night that said who wins the Iron Throne. Fortunately, he has a good poker face, so he won't give anything away, and he is not the type who would try.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 16, 2019, 07:49:19 AM: Oh I was terrified of this stuff when I went to see Endgame.

I wore earbuds and loud music the whole time til the movie started.

I still was looking around the theater, worried someone would just run in and yell spoilers.

Turns out some theaters actually did have that happen. Ugh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:01:51 AM: I'm one of those that hasn't really had any big issues with this season. True, it's not perfect and it's rushed AF but I think it's what it is. I agree with Martin's sentiment 100% that the show could've ran for 2 more seasons and the climax wouldn't feel so rushed, but nevertheless I've really enjoyed a lot of things that have happened.

Dany's madness was as expected and called for as anything else in the show, I feel and think. I'm 150% sure that this is going to happen in the books as well, so people that go like "OMG that is so out of character, these stupid writers are ruining everything" I don't really understand (at least regarding this issue). What I would debate is regarding my earlier point, that maybe if the pacing was just a little bit slower we could've seen a more convincing turn into the desolation and madness that took over her in the last episode. I enjoyed the episode quite a lot and certainly I can't wait for the books to come out to tell this story with Martin's magnificent pacing and detail.

I think people really take a lot of pleasure into bashing D&D (the showrunners), and blaming them for anything that feels out of place (for them, at least). Remember the big "OMG these stupid showrunners ruined Stannis' character! He's not like that in the books. He's the greatest commander in Westeros and he would've never burned alive his daughter!" back in Season 5? Well, it was Martin that revealed them that he was indeed going to burn Shireen at some point. Can't wait for Winds of Winter to come out for that to actually happen so people can go like "Oh, I see now". That's something else that I felt was 100% consistent with his character. True, he is loyal and loves his daughter, but his need of the magic and the victory was even greater than that love. That being said, not every book arc has been handled with greatness in the show (Dorne, I'm looking at you). The Dorne arc was kinda lame, and I think we can all mostly agree with that.

Regarding The Long Night, I really didn't have any true issues with it except maybe the dumb plan of sending the Dothraki into their deaths so early; but I think I kinda understand. Not one of the people present at Winterfell during the battle planning are experts at war. There was not a Stannis or a Robert to tell them that their battle tactics were dumb, so there's that. The shock value of having the Dothraki charge into a black wall of death was pretty visually stunning, tho (as has been most of the season). Otherwise, the episode delivered greatly. I disagree with people that think that The Night King's death felt out of place and rushed. His end came after 8 seasons of foreshadowing and one long 1:30 hour long culmination battle that ended with the show's most badass character (I think most will agree) ending him in true Arya fashion. If people are upset that he died with us knowing little to nothing about him; he was a character that didn't even talk; so what was there to know about him that Bran or the rest of the characters didn't know already? I can't really get people comparing his death to Snoke's from Star Wars and I'm like what, Snoke was a "villain" for one movie at the most (a movie in which he basically had only a couple of screen time minutes, and he DID talk!). True, we don't really know the meaning of those shapes and spirals they left behind but I'm quite sure either the books or the prequel show that already began shooting will clear stuff up. Lastly, Melisandre's arc and death was magnificent. I loved every single moment of that.

I kinda get some of the complaints, but I think it's not as bad as some people are pointing it out to be. I think, as was already mentioned in this thread, thousands of fan theories are dying by the minute each passing episode and people get pissed, because when people like something so much they usually feel entitled (DREAM THEATER COUGH COUGH) to their own opinions. I have no issue with people calling out this season as not as great as the show's earlier material, but just be cool and accept that it's what it is. No need to create a dumb charge.org petition for HBO to remake the entire season. That's never happening lol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 09:14:54 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:01:51 AM
I'm one of those that hasn't really had any big issues with this season. True, it's not perfect and it's rushed AF but I think it's what it is. I agree with Martin's sentiment 100% that the show could've ran for 2 more seasons and the climax wouldn't feel so rushed, but nevertheless I've really enjoyed a lot of things that have happened.

Dany's madness was as expected and called for as anything else in the show, I feel and think. I'm 150% sure that this is going to happen in the books as well, so people that go like "OMG that is so out of character, these stupid writers are ruining everything" I don't really understand (at least regarding this issue). What I would debate is regarding my earlier point, that maybe if the pacing was just a little bit slower we could've seen a more convincing turn into the desolation and madness that took over her in the last episode. I enjoyed the episode quite a lot and certainly I can't wait for the books to come out to tell this story with Martin's magnificent pacing and detail.

The journey and the pacing has been the issues all along. I'm sure Dany will snap in the books, but it will feel coherent and fitting. Also, I'm assuming she doesn't go mad-mad in the books, she will become maybe ruthless and maybe will sacrifice King's Landing for a specific target - I'm skeptical about her committing mass murder and genocide when there's no tactical or logical need for it, aside from going very overkill on the side of "I have to rule with fear and this will send a message".

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:01:51 AM
I think people really take a lot of pleasure into bashing D&D (the showrunners), and blaming them for anything that feels out of place (for them, at least). Remember the big "OMG these stupid showrunners ruined Stannis' character! He's not like that in the books. He's the greatest commander in Westeros and he would've never burned alive his daughter!" back in Season 5? Well, it was Martin that revealed them that he was indeed going to burn Shireen at some point. Can't wait for Winds of Winter to come out for that to actually happen so people can go like "Oh, I see now". That's something else that I felt was 100% consistent with his character. True, he is loyal and loves his daughter, but his need of the magic and the victory was even greater than that love. That being said, not every book arc has been handled with greatness in the show (Dorne, I'm looking at you). The Dorne arc was kinda lame, and I think we can all mostly agree with that.

As I've read online, he will probably sacrifice his own daughter in time of utmost and desperate need, for example against the impending invasion of the White Walkers. He won't burn her to melt some snow.

I'm afraid the books will make clear how the final plot points were all there, but the road to them was very rushed or oversimplified.

As I said before - the authors of Breaking Bad inflicted on themselves in autolesionistic fashion a bullet point to reach - they filmed in the beginning of the final season Walter White getting a rifle, and they had to write a story that justified the need for that rifle, 'cause they haven't planned for it yet. I'd say, mission accomplished. Seeing how the books (if they're ever gonna be released) will reach the same destinaton of the show will highlight how the journey has been out of place.

Also, since they already made some deviations, they could have gone for their own ending anyway, without having to fall back on someone else's ending while they already took another road with the story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:18:54 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:01:51 AM
I'm one of those that hasn't really had any big issues with this season. True, it's not perfect and it's rushed AF but I think it's what it is. I agree with Martin's sentiment 100% that the show could've ran for 2 more seasons and the climax wouldn't feel so rushed, but nevertheless I've really enjoyed a lot of things that have happened.

Dany's madness was as expected and called for as anything else in the show, I feel and think. I'm 150% sure that this is going to happen in the books as well, so people that go like "OMG that is so out of character, these stupid writers are ruining everything" I don't really understand (at least regarding this issue). What I would debate is regarding my earlier point, that maybe if the pacing was just a little bit slower we could've seen a more convincing turn into the desolation and madness that took over her in the last episode. I enjoyed the episode quite a lot and certainly I can't wait for the books to come out to tell this story with Martin's magnificent pacing and detail.

The journey and the pacing has been the issues all along. I'm sure Dany will snap in the books, but it will feel coherent and fitting. Also, I'm assuming she doesn't go mad-mad in the books, she will become maybe ruthless and maybe will sacrifice King's Landing for a specific target - I'm skeptical about her committing mass murder and genocide when there's no tactical or logical need for it, aside from going very overkill on the side of "I have to rule with fear and this will send a message".

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:01:51 AM
I think people really take a lot of pleasure into bashing D&D (the showrunners), and blaming them for anything that feels out of place (for them, at least). Remember the big "OMG these stupid showrunners ruined Stannis' character! He's not like that in the books. He's the greatest commander in Westeros and he would've never burned alive his daughter!" back in Season 5? Well, it was Martin that revealed them that he was indeed going to burn Shireen at some point. Can't wait for Winds of Winter to come out for that to actually happen so people can go like "Oh, I see now". That's something else that I felt was 100% consistent with his character. True, he is loyal and loves his daughter, but his need of the magic and the victory was even greater than that love. That being said, not every book arc has been handled with greatness in the show (Dorne, I'm looking at you). The Dorne arc was kinda lame, and I think we can all mostly agree with that.

As I've read online, he will probably sacrifice his own daughter in time of utmost and desperate need, for example against the impending invasion of the White Walkers. He won't burn her to melt some snow.

I'm afraid the books will make clear how the final plot points were all there, but the road to them was very rushed or oversimplified.

As I said before - the authors of Breaking Bad inflicted on themselves in autolesionistic fashion a bullet point to reach - they filmed in the beginning of the final season Walter White getting a rifle, and they had to write a story that justified the need for that rifle, 'cause they haven't planned for it yet. I'd say, mission accomplished. Seeing how the books (if they're ever gonna be released) will reach the same destinaton of the show will highlight how the journey has been out of place.

Also, since they already made some deviations, they could have gone for their own ending anyway, without having to fall back on someone else's ending while they already took another road with the story.
Ageed. I'm sure Stannis' arc will be different and probably more relevant in the books, but there's also the thing that Seasons 5-6-7-8 from the show wanted the "lead" characters to be more upfront, because that's very natural for a TV Show with paid actors, I think. That's why characters like Stannis, Daario, Mance Rayder, every Martell except Oberyn, Euron and Victarion, etc. were kinda cast aside the way they did for that.

Just to clear things up, this is not by any means by favorite Game of Thrones season and the pacing really makes it kinda difficult for everything that's happening to sink in but I do enjoy it for what it is. Cannot wait for the finale this Sunday.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2019, 09:20:54 AM: I may have gotten a spoiler as well, in a facebook cigar subforum, of all places. Last place I would have expected to see a dick move like that. Hopefully the guy was just talking out of his ass and it wasn't really spoiled.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:21:55 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2019, 09:20:54 AM
I may have gotten a spoiler as well, in a facebook cigar subforum, of all places. Last place I would have expected to see a dick move like that. Hopefully the guy was just talking out of his ass and it wasn't really spoiled.
The internet is dark and full of spoilers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 16, 2019, 09:22:25 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:01:51 AM
I'm one of those that hasn't really had any big issues with this season. True, it's not perfect and it's rushed AF but I think it's what it is. I agree with Martin's sentiment 100% that the show could've ran for 2 more seasons and the climax wouldn't feel so rushed, but nevertheless I've really enjoyed a lot of things that have happened.

Dany's madness was as expected and called for as anything else in the show, I feel and think. I'm 150% sure that this is going to happen in the books as well, so people that go like "OMG that is so out of character, these stupid writers are ruining everything" I don't really understand (at least regarding this issue). What I would debate is regarding my earlier point, that maybe if the pacing was just a little bit slower we could've seen a more convincing turn into the desolation and madness that took over her in the last episode. I enjoyed the episode quite a lot and certainly I can't wait for the books to come out to tell this story with Martin's magnificent pacing and detail.

I think people really take a lot of pleasure into bashing D&D (the showrunners), and blaming them for anything that feels out of place (for them, at least). Remember the big "OMG these stupid showrunners ruined Stannis' character! He's not like that in the books. He's the greatest commander in Westeros and he would've never burned alive his daughter!" back in Season 5? Well, it was Martin that revealed them that he was indeed going to burn Shireen at some point. Can't wait for Winds of Winter to come out for that to actually happen so people can go like "Oh, I see now". That's something else that I felt was 100% consistent with his character. True, he is loyal and loves his daughter, but his need of the magic and the victory was even greater than that love. That being said, not every book arc has been handled with greatness in the show (Dorne, I'm looking at you). The Dorne arc was kinda lame, and I think we can all mostly agree with that.

Regarding The Long Night, I really didn't have any true issues with it except maybe the dumb plan of sending the Dothraki into their deaths so early; but I think I kinda understand. Not one of the people present at Winterfell during the battle planning are experts at war. There was not a Stannis or a Robert to tell them that their battle tactics were dumb, so there's that. The shock value of having the Dothraki charge into a black wall of death was pretty visually stunning, tho (as has been most of the season). Otherwise, the episode delivered greatly. I disagree with people that think that The Night King's death felt out of place and rushed. His end came after 8 seasons of foreshadowing and one long 1:30 hour long culmination battle that ended with the show's most badass character (I think most will agree) ending him in true Arya fashion. If people are upset that he died with us knowing little to nothing about him; he was a character that didn't even talk; so what was there to know about him that Bran or the rest of the characters didn't know already? I can't really get people comparing his death to Snoke's from Star Wars and I'm like what, Snoke was a "villain" for one movie at the most (a movie in which he basically had only a couple of screen time minutes, and he DID talk!). True, we don't really know the meaning of those shapes and spirals they left behind but I'm quite sure either the books or the prequel show that already began shooting will clear stuff up. Lastly, Melisandre's arc and death was magnificent. I loved every single moment of that.

I kinda get some of the complaints, but I think it's not as bad as some people are pointing it out to be. I think, as was already mentioned in this thread, thousands of fan theories are dying by the minute each passing episode and people get pissed, because when people like something so much they usually feel entitled (DREAM THEATER COUGH COUGH) to their own opinions. I have no issue with people calling out this season as not as great as the show's earlier material, but just be cool and accept that it's what it is. No need to create a dumb charge.org petition for HBO to remake the entire season. That's never happening lol.

This entire post is exactly how I feel. I work with a woman who comes into the office every Monday morning and rants for an hour straight about how she HATED last night's episode and explains how the show is ruined. She's just regurgitating stuff that she reads online, criticizing the show and pointing out fan theories that she thinks should have occurred. Getting upset, disappointed or angry isn't going to change a thing. We are simply along for the ride.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2019, 09:24:46 AM: Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 16, 2019, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2019, 09:20:54 AM
I may have gotten a spoiler as well, in a facebook cigar subforum, of all places. Last place I would have expected to see a dick move like that. Hopefully the guy was just talking out of his ass and it wasn't really spoiled.
The internet is dark and full of spoilers.
Yeah, no shit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 16, 2019, 09:46:15 AM: That really sucks for anyone who's had things spoiled for them whether it's a real spoiler or not. At this point I have a strong idea of what's gonna happen so I went and looked for the spoilers for episode 6 anyway. If they're real, well, I'm not surprised, but even then there is SO much to wrap up that they don't talk about that it hasn't really changed my perception. I don't believe anything 100% until it actually airs anyway. People who go around trying to ruin things for others are real jackwagons, I tell you hwat.

Also, while watching some videos last night, there was a really good clip of Dany back in like season 2 or 3 threatening (I believe) the 13 masters of Qarth because they wouldn't let her in without seeing her dragons. And she violently threatens to burn down any city that defies her or gets in her way on her quest for the Iron Throne, starting with Qarth. Yeah, real heroine she is. :rollin
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Post by: ErHaO on May 16, 2019, 10:37:12 AM: I have been fake spoiled in the past. And from what I gathered, there are several leaks out there, so who knows which one is real.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 16, 2019, 10:38:55 AM: The people with the spoilers have been malicious, every major entertainment/gaming page on fb had comments with Endgame spoilers the day it came out, I have no interest in the movie but I felt bad for the people getting spoiled. I don't understand this, I understand trolling, but this is something else that someone ought to study, there's darkness in this one heh
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Post by: The Walrus on May 16, 2019, 10:49:30 AM: The only time I actually had something I super cared about spoiled was the end of the 6th Harry Potter book. I was so f&*%ing mad at that jackass who shouted out the spoiler as I was walking into the book store.
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Post by: Chino on May 16, 2019, 11:05:13 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 16, 2019, 10:49:30 AM
The only time I actually had something I super cared about spoiled was the end of the 6th Harry Potter book. I was so f&*%ing mad at that jackass who shouted out the spoiler as I was walking into the book store.

I remember reading about a guy that got a copy of one of the books ahead of time and made a t-shirt that said "_________ dies on page #???". He then walked down (face to face) the mile long line of people outside of a Barnes and Noble
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 16, 2019, 11:07:19 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 16, 2019, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 16, 2019, 10:49:30 AM
The only time I actually had something I super cared about spoiled was the end of the 6th Harry Potter book. I was so f&*%ing mad at that jackass who shouted out the spoiler as I was walking into the book store.

I remember reading about a guy that got a copy of one of the books ahead of time and made a t-shirt that said "_________ dies on page #???". He then walked down (face to face) the mile long line of people outside of a Barnes and Noble

Omg.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 16, 2019, 11:34:29 AM: Damn! See that's kinda why I was thinking there's no way these people are just your classic internet troll types. That guy put some effort into this shit, I wouldn't go make a t-shirt for a good cause, let alone to troll people :lol
What was that German word? Schadenfreude? Satisfaction that comes from other's displeasure or something like that.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 16, 2019, 11:38:52 AM: People who feel like they have very little control of their lives like to take control is small ways when they can, even if it hurts other people.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2019, 11:41:02 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 16, 2019, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 16, 2019, 10:49:30 AM
The only time I actually had something I super cared about spoiled was the end of the 6th Harry Potter book. I was so f&*%ing mad at that jackass who shouted out the spoiler as I was walking into the book store.

I remember reading about a guy that got a copy of one of the books ahead of time and made a t-shirt that said "_________ dies on page #???". He then walked down (face to face) the mile long line of people outside of a Barnes and Noble
That dude is in dire need of an ass whippin'.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2019, 11:56:13 AM: Spoiler: Joffrey is risen from the dead this week and ends up on the Iron Throne again. The end.

Kidding.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 16, 2019, 03:26:01 PM: Remembered one of my favorite scenes from last episode: the single shot of Arya running with the injured mother and her daughter while the dragon sweeps back around and flies ever closer before torching the street. MAN I love cinematic shots like that :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 03:27:41 PM: Just bsing with my coworker, remember when Melisandre made the shadow baby from Gendry's kings blood. Wouldn't she have been able to do something similar with either his blood or Jon's blood again to kill Cersei or even the Night King. Seems like that power was forgotten, I know I forgot about it.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 03:36:55 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 03:27:41 PM
Just bsing with my coworker, remember when Melisandre made the shadow baby from Gendry's kings blood. Wouldn't she have been able to do something similar with either his blood or Jon's blood again to kill Cersei or even the Night King. Seems like that power was forgotten, I know I forgot about it.

I don't think the shadow monster would work on a mythical creature like the Night King, and by the time Cersei was the problem, Melisandre already commited suicide by dawn anyway. Also, only Davos knew that and wouldn't be able to suggest it anymore once Melisandre's dead. And why she would suggest it? all she ever cared was her Lord of Light.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 03:39:56 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 03:27:41 PM
Just bsing with my coworker, remember when Melisandre made the shadow baby from Gendry's kings blood. Wouldn't she have been able to do something similar with either his blood or Jon's blood again to kill Cersei or even the Night King. Seems like that power was forgotten, I know I forgot about it.

I don't think the shadow monster would work on a mythical creature like the Night King, and by the time Cersei was the problem, Melisandre already commited suicide by dawn anyway. Also, only Davos knew that and wouldn't be able to suggest it anymore once Melisandre's dead. And why she would suggest it? all she ever cared was her Lord of Light.

Just thinking about it, so not being totally serious, but I forgot she even was able to do that. But Cersei was a threat long before the Night King was killed but if her interests were only in the Lord of Light, why did she use this power to kill Renly? If she believed Jon was Azor Ahai now, wouldn't she want to protect him by killing Cersei? If I remember correctly, she used that power on Renly just so he wouldn't kill Stannis and his army.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 03:43:10 PM: When Jon was resurrected, the impending problem was Ramsay Bolton, and Melisandre saw through that battle. If at all, she would have used the shadow monster on Ramsay, but Jon was no king and Gendry was in King's Landing. Then Davos found out Shireen's toy and deduced that she was burnt at the stake, so he told that to Jon and Jon banished her. She never really had the chance or motive to suggest to magic murder Cersei.
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Post by: ariich on May 16, 2019, 03:43:34 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 03:39:56 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 03:27:41 PM
Just bsing with my coworker, remember when Melisandre made the shadow baby from Gendry's kings blood. Wouldn't she have been able to do something similar with either his blood or Jon's blood again to kill Cersei or even the Night King. Seems like that power was forgotten, I know I forgot about it.

I don't think the shadow monster would work on a mythical creature like the Night King, and by the time Cersei was the problem, Melisandre already commited suicide by dawn anyway. Also, only Davos knew that and wouldn't be able to suggest it anymore once Melisandre's dead. And why she would suggest it? all she ever cared was her Lord of Light.

Just thinking about it, so not being totally serious, but I forgot she even was able to do that. But Cersei was a threat long before the Night King was killed but if her interests were only in the Lord of Light, why did she use this power to kill Renly? If she believed Jon was Azor Ahai now, wouldn't she want to protect him by killing Cersei? If I remember correctly, she used that power on Renly just so he wouldn't kill Stannis and his army.
But she only cared about Azor Ahai for defeating the Night King, and he's now dead.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 16, 2019, 03:48:11 PM: Anyway, totally unrequested, but I thought I'd give it a try to fix the Dorne clusterfuck, by trying to leave most things unchanged, but find room for the revelation from the books where Doran Martell has been secretly plotting against the Lannisters all the time.

I admit I have no solution for Myrcella's death... that could be postponed to season 6 for other factors anyway.

So, the Dorne scenes play out exactly the same as it happened. No changes whatsoever. Where I would come in is the "tea party" of Doran and Jaimie, the one where Tristan gets to punch Bronn in retaliation for earlier - in this scene Ellaria and the Sand Snakes are all in chains however.

Jaimie expresses concerns that they got threated by Dorne - Doran corrects him, "It was not Dorne that threatened Myrcella, it was Ellaria, a decision behind my back. They will pay for it, and I assure you they will be exiled. All of them will be expelled from Dorne".

They shake on it, Doran gives a prince's word, and Jaimie and Bronn are allowed to return home. If they bring Myrcella or not with them, it doesn't make much of a difference.

Then, when people think "so that was all a waste of time", we get a scene of Doran visiting the cells, strongly inspired by how it goes down with the book between Doran and another character...

Ellaria smirks at the sight of Doran standing out of their cells. "So, the party is already over? did you enjoy dining with your friends?"
Doran: "Certainly I enjoyed it more than having my trusted subjects go behind my back with a foolish and reckless move. You should have had more trust in your prince, Ellaria."
Ellaria: *smirks* "Trust? trust in just sitting there and doing nothing? that's what you've always done, nothing!"
Doran: "Preparing and planning the future is not doing nothing. I had my plans and my secrets, just like you all did... however mine are better kept."
Ellaria: "And what is this secret? that you enjoy breaking bread with the Lannisters and celebrate them in your own house?"
Doran: "I treated them as revered guests because I am not rash, like you. I am not impatient, like you... or like Oberyn for that matter. But don't mistake patience for forbearance. I have worked at the downfall of Tywin Lannister since the day they told me of Elia and her children."
Ellaria: "If that is true... why you just let them go?"
Doran: "Because right now the Lannisters are powerful. Much more powerful than we are, and we can't win an open war against them. But we can learn from Oberyn, the Red Viper. What do vipers do? creep in the grass. When you see them, it's already too late. It's better to be their friends for the time being... and when they'll realize we are their enemies, it will be too late for them"
*Doran now gestures to a guard to open the cell*
Ellaria: "So... you are not sending us into exile?"
Doran: "Oh no. You will be going away from Dorne. But it's not gonna be an exile - it's gonna be a mission. A mission to find us the allies we need. You will sail to Essos, and then you will take the long and hard road that will lead you to Mereen, where you will find our heart's desire."
Ellaria: "...and what is our heart's desire?"
Doran: "Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood."

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This way, IMHO obviously, you still have the nice revelation from the books, and then you can have season 6 go on as planned; just give a scene of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes introducing themselves to Dany like the Grejoys did, and still have them wiped out by Euron. It doesn't solve all problems of course but it's better than the cheap shock surprise of Ellaria murdering Doran and Tristan and then completely disappear for the rest of season 6.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 16, 2019, 04:01:17 PM: The sand snakes killing all the remaining Martells for failing to stop other Martells from getting killed is without doubt the stupidest and most nonsencial plot point the show has ever used. Thank god season 6 massively picked up after that.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 16, 2019, 04:13:47 PM: Forgive me if I already asked this before but Dorne plays a much bigger (and more logically sound) part in the books, right?
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 16, 2019, 04:20:20 PM: Well personally I'd pretty much approve any (reasonable) fix that would have given more to Doran Martell in the Dorne stuff. I actually thought the Dorne scenes in Season 5 did a great job of introducing his character and the bodyguard Areo Hotah - it was great casting, they performed well in the scenes they had, and just visually I thought they left a strong impression and were quite unique and memorable. It would have been great if they were better used. Despite often defending changes that get made in order to adapt, I do of course love when they can stick to or pay respect to the books so there's that. But books or not, I just think the idea of this calm, measured guy in a wheelchair who might seem harmless but was the slow and subtle type of threat compared to Oberyn's swift, passionate and bold approach, but the two brother's shared the same goals and worked well together, would have been cool to have in the show.

MirrorMask I'm pretty sure your idea might actually be quite similar to some of my guesses during season 5 or some of how I wished it might have went afterwards :lol But, the only problem with altering the Dorne storyline is it doesn't just change season 5, it has a knock on effect on to season 6. The part in season 6 premiere where the Sands killed the Martells still remains the single worst major story moment in the show for me, but it was obviously done to quickly get it out of the way and get on with the rest of season 6 which was mostly great. Still, an alternative that did the same thing in a different way like yours would have been preferable to me.

If you could have kept him around, Doran Martell even makes a great "late season man" to have as Daenerys' ally. Let's face it, he's not exactly going anywhere, so as long as he's alive and on team Dany you could have him off screen in the Water Gardens but sending whatever troops were needed from Dorne to give the armies the right size the plot needed :lol
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 16, 2019, 04:31:05 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 16, 2019, 04:13:47 PM
Forgive me if I already asked this before but Dorne plays a much bigger (and more logically sound) part in the books, right?
Everything plays a much bigger role in the books :P

But yeah, Dorne was one of the main new locations and plots introduced in books 4 and 5, and is slated to play a prominent role early in book 6. (Book spoilers ahead for anyone who doesn't want them) Dorne is the first case where major point of view characters that exist in the books were just omitted from the show. In the books Doran Martell has two children older than Trystane - Arianne Martell who remains around Dorne and is involved in schemes and politics in Dorne involving Myrcella and the Sand Snakes (the show very loosely adapts some of this, but with no Arianne Martell), and Quentyn Martell who journeys to Meereen to try and make an alliance with Daenerys (which wasn't in the show, the idea of that alliance was basically replaced with Varys showing up in Dorne at the end of Season 6). In the next book, Dorne will have a major role in another plot thread from the books which is probably the biggest existing book plot missing from the show, the invasion of Aegon Targaryen - that baby the Mountain killed that Oberyn was so pissed about, who supposedly isn't dead.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 16, 2019, 04:36:44 PM: Wow, that's really cool. OK... making a trip to the store tomorrow to pick up AGOT again. :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 06:40:39 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 16, 2019, 04:36:44 PM
Wow, that's really cool. OK... making a trip to the store tomorrow to pick up AGOT again. :metal

Dont get too excited. The books wrote all these plots and got them started and left us all hanging. Might be better off to not be hanging with the rest of us :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 16, 2019, 06:59:25 PM: My plan for a while was to get through the series then pick up the books a couple years after the show had ended.....to let that ‘wear off’ and maybe give me as fresh a perspective as I could get going into the books. Hopefully by the time I start them GRRM will have them finished. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 16, 2019, 11:54:48 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 16, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 16, 2019, 04:36:44 PM
Wow, that's really cool. OK... making a trip to the store tomorrow to pick up AGOT again. :metal

Dont get too excited. The books wrote all these plots and got them started and left us all hanging. Might be better off to not be hanging with the rest of us :lol
Well, BOOK SPOILERS: Quentyn's arc wasn't left hanging at least. :P

I like GRRM's writing but in Dance With Dragons it really started to get too convoluted and waffley. He introduced all these new characters and plot elements that added a huge amount of words but not much to the narrative (e.g. Quentyn's whole arc is really just to show that Doran is a schemer).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 07:29:34 AM: I think I've finally accepted that I've been in denial for most of this season. The plot beats make sense to me, but the rush... I just don't see how this ending is going to be satisfying. 80 minutes is not anywhere near enough time to wrap things up. It'll just be nice that it's over, I guess.

That petition... obviously they aren't going to remake the season but holy cow. When I first heard about it, there were only 16k signatures. It's over 800k now. That's quite a message they're sending.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 07:39:10 AM: The petition is dumb.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 17, 2019, 07:39:24 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 17, 2019, 07:29:34 AM
I think I've finally accepted that I've been in denial for most of this season. The plot beats make sense to me, but the rush... I just don't see how this ending is going to be satisfying. 80 minutes is not anywhere near enough time to wrap things up. It'll just be nice that it's over, I guess.

That petition... obviously they aren't going to remake the season but holy cow. When I first heard about it, there were only 16k signatures. It's over 800k now. That's quite a message they're sending.

What message? That they are a bunch of crybabies who aren't getting the ending they wanted? Well, boo freaking hoo. :lol :lol

Sometimes (okay, most of the time), the internet really sucks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 07:43:25 AM: A petition is obviously useless, but it will be a little stain on the authors' reputation. Be sure that a small but vocal group of people will make very known that they'll refuse to watch the Star Wars movies they will be involved in.

About the finale, we'll see how it goes, there are still many plot points which are not that predictable, least of all what happens to the Iron Throne when the new claimant went Hitler all over the capital, the real heir doesn't want it, and the actual chair itself might not even exist anymore after all the destruction.

One would posit that in a show with magic, fantasy, dragons and everything else, any kind of coherent finale would do, that with such unlimited possibilites the worse thing tha could happen would be a "safe" ending, but still something satisfying on many levels. Let's hope we were not all bracing for a Breaking Bad, only to get a Dexter :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 07:53:49 AM: Well, obviously it's a drop in the bucket and nothing will come of it, I just think it's remarkable how much attention it's received and how much backlash the season is getting (justified or otherwise). I'm sure HBO is more than aware that D&D have essentially tanked their biggest property ever in terms of critical review, but it's more successful than ever, so what does it matter in the end, really.

I'm just bracing myself for a massive dose of unhappiness Sunday (both in the tone of the episode, and the response to it :lol).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 17, 2019, 08:00:04 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 07:39:10 AM
The petition is dumb.

It certainly reflects our society right now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 17, 2019, 08:00:59 AM: I've had some complaints this season but the overall quality has been broadly in line with the last few seasons. That petition is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 17, 2019, 08:06:08 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 17, 2019, 08:00:59 AM
I've had some complaints this season but the overall quality has been broadly in line with the last few seasons. That petition is ridiculous.

The entire backlash against the season is ridiculous. It’s fine to criticize....but I still maintain that the bulk of the complaining and bashing going on online is nothing but a snowball effect pissing match between a very large group of unqualified ‘critics’ who realize their bashing articles and videos will get more views/shares and likes than anything agreeable. This season is nowhere as horrible or wrecked as the internet is making it out to be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 08:13:17 AM: There's some real gold over on the Freefolk reddit if anyone's looking for some top tier memes about season 8. I'm bummed about season 8 too, but damn if there aren't some funny jokes out there
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 17, 2019, 08:24:40 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 17, 2019, 08:13:17 AM
There's some real gold over on the Freefolk reddit if anyone's looking for some top tier memes about season 8. I'm bummed about season 8 too, but damn if there aren't some funny jokes out there

I bet. At this point it’s a competition and that usually conjures creativity in the internet world.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on May 17, 2019, 08:44:29 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 17, 2019, 07:29:34 AM
I think I've finally accepted that I've been in denial for most of this season. The plot beats make sense to me, but the rush... I just don't see how this ending is going to be satisfying. 80 minutes is not anywhere near enough time to wrap things up. It'll just be nice that it's over, I guess.

That petition... obviously they aren't going to remake the season but holy cow. When I first heard about it, there were only 16k signatures. It's over 800k now. That's quite a message they're sending.

That petition sums pretty much sums up my feelings on social media and society in general. How entitled can people be? If people really think the show sucks then stop fucking watching. Seriously, have these people watched anything else? I can understand that people may not like certain aspects of the show, but 800K people found it necessary to take the time to basically say how much they hate this season? I feel really bad for all the people who spent so much time on the show only to see that reaction. It's sad to me that people are apparently so unhappy with their lives that they find it necessary to go to this level. I can't believe that the Mona Lisa doesn't have blonde hair. I'm going to start a petition for it to be correct. ::)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 09:21:49 AM: I mean it only takes a few seconds to sign it, I think it's just symbolic of how badly D&D have fudged up their good will with the fans. I don't think it's THAT offensive. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 17, 2019, 09:34:17 AM: I think it's unfair to call dissenters cry babies.
I wrote this somewhere else on the subject:
The fans dissenting on the current season are definitely NOT all bothered by the same things. I think they are divided into two different thoughts:
1. Fans who are not happy with the story, mostly they don't like the mad queen route. These are dumbasses IMHO, I have no problem with that story, it was my favorite fan theory before, but the double D's will successfully use these fans to deter objective criticism of the season. They will group them with legitimate dissenters and say "Oh everybody is just angry cause they didn't get the ending they wanted".
2. Fans who are not happy with how the story was told, the bad screen writing and horrible pacing which came as a byproduct of the double D's wanting to move on to other projects. These fans complaint is legitimate, there have been some terrible writing on seasons 7 & 8. HBO offered the double D's two full seasons to finish GoT, with that much time they could have portrayed Dany's decent to madness and gave it the merit it required to get to what happened in Kingslanding in the end. They laid virtually NO ground work for that on the show. In the novels, Dany is not as nice as she is at the show, at one point she ordered the torture of little girls for information when one of her servants was killed, but the show rarely gave us that side of her and when they did; it was always justified to make you sympathize with her. The novels have been preparing for the ending for a long time, it's a logical one for the narrative GRRM has created but it doesn't make sense on the show, it just feels like sloppy bad writing. The double D's have ruined this by being over-confident, arrogant and disrespectful to GRRM and the fans, I hope Disney takes notice and cancels their Star Wars contract with them because it's bound to be catastrophic for the franchise.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 17, 2019, 09:40:22 AM: Yeah, the petition is really dumb since a demand to "remake season 8 with competent writers" comes across as entitled and ignorant of anything to do with making a TV show, so for people to try to promote that as the most prominent example of fan criticism of the show just makes it very easy for people to have the perception that the majority of the criticism of the season can be reduced to a tantrum of spoiled brats yelling "make me another one!" Most criticism of the season was more reasonable and legitimate than that, and I think it was pretty much already heard across the internet, so making a big effort to try to make sure that everyone associates criticism of the show with people that signed a petition for such a stupid idea doesn't really seem like a great move to me (doesn't matter that "We obviously don't actually expect it to get remade, it's just a joke" - if it's such a stupid idea then why go out of the way to ensure it's probably the most commonly heard reaction of people that didn't like the show?).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 17, 2019, 09:48:14 AM: I don't get why this had to be rushed. Like, it is without a doubt the most popular series ever and instead of milking it (what usually happens and is also wrong) it feels like they are leaping through bullet points Martin gave them? I don't get it.

Quote from: kaos2900 on May 17, 2019, 08:44:29 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 17, 2019, 07:29:34 AM
I think I've finally accepted that I've been in denial for most of this season. The plot beats make sense to me, but the rush... I just don't see how this ending is going to be satisfying. 80 minutes is not anywhere near enough time to wrap things up. It'll just be nice that it's over, I guess.

That petition... obviously they aren't going to remake the season but holy cow. When I first heard about it, there were only 16k signatures. It's over 800k now. That's quite a message they're sending.

That petition sums pretty much sums up my feelings on social media and society in general. How entitled can people be? If people really think the show sucks then stop fucking watching. Seriously, have these people watched anything else? I can understand that people may not like certain aspects of the show, but 800K people found it necessary to take the time to basically say how much they hate this season? I feel really bad for all the people who spent so much time on the show only to see that reaction. It's sad to me that people are apparently so unhappy with their lives that they find it necessary to go to this level. I can't believe that the Mona Lisa doesn't have blonde hair. I'm going to start a petition for it to be correct. ::)

These petitions are silly and over the top, yes, but it is an easy way for people to let the showrunners know they are not happy with the product, with a numerical value to show for it, along with some internet hyperbole. I think that is the main appeal. And it is a product people paid for so I don't see why it is entitled to let them know they didn't enjoy it. In the end I doubt many people actually believe this will amount to anything or even align with the "demands". I only once signed one of these things and that was to get the Yakuza game series localized, and it took me like 30 seconds (probably did fuck all, but we have those games available now at least!). Yes, the core demand of that petition isn't going to amount to anything and isn't reasonable, but it remains an easy way to tell "I think these writers fucked it up" and lot's of folks are joining in because of that. At least, that is how I perceive it.

Furthermore, from the art perspective, when you invested a lot of time in art, especially in a story you have been following for 8 years, it can hit close to home when you don't like it anymore or even hate it. To me, it is more of a testament to how much art and storytelling means to people. These stories can mean a lot to people and that is simply a fact that applies to millions upon millions of people. That is bound the spawn some dramatic internet takes.

On the flipside, I do think there are lot of people on the internet that are waaay to sensitive and are overreacting to a lot of things.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on May 17, 2019, 09:49:16 AM: I think the petition is a symbolic thing like Kattelox said but it could have been worded better. No one is "remaking" shit and everybody knows that, for the least reason being you won't be able to get the actors back, it's not like the good old days when studios owned actors and can force them to do what they want.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 17, 2019, 09:51:01 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 17, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
I mean it only takes a few seconds to sign it, I think it's just symbolic of how badly D&D have fudged up their good will with the fans. I don't think it's THAT offensive. :lol

Parts of it are. I didn't read it, but rather read an article that summarizes the grievances thusly (I clicked on the link in the article but couldn't apparently access the actual petition):

Not being able to see the Battle of Winterfell clearly because it was so dark: This is the most legit thing on the list.

Arya killing the Night King instead of Jon: This is right in line of what I wrote yesterday or the day before. People decide in their heads how the plot should go and then get disappointed when it doesn't happen that way.

The Night King's relatively easy death: Easy? Whatever.

Sansa's conversation with The Hound, which attributed her strong character to the rape and torture she endured: I don't really understand what this issue is. Is someone suggesting that the crap she endured wouldn't have strengthened her?

Rhaegal's easy death: This is nothing more than "I wanted X to happen, but Y happened."

Missandei dying in chains: Huh?

Jon's treatment of Ghost: Are you fucking kidding me?

The basic existence of Euron Greyjoy: This may be lost in translation from the article, so I'll let this go, but as phrased, it's patently silly.

Jaime's reversal of his redemption arc and lackluster death by Cersei's side: See comment above re Rhaegal's death.

Daenerys' swift pivot to Mad Queen and subsequent burning of Kings Landing: See comment above re Rhaegal's death.

Has there ever been a petition of this sort that actually accomplished anything? I get writing blogs and comments, but doing it in the "petition" format is so utterly silly. Dissent is one thing, but, as RuRoRul just noted, "a demand to 'remake season 8 with competent writers' comes across as entitled and ignorant of anything to do with making a TV show."
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Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 09:57:29 AM: Well if you go by the Internet, dogs matter more than humans, so of course everyone is enraged that "omg good doge dinnit get petteded wtf!" and it's racist that Missandei died in chains. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 17, 2019, 10:03:54 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 17, 2019, 09:49:16 AM
I think the petition is a symbolic thing like Kattelox said but it could have been worded better. No one is "remaking" shit and everybody knows that
Yeah, so it's really dumb for critics of the season to symbolically associate themselves with such a idiotic and entitled request.

I mean, you can imagine the scene:

Interviewer: "So, the reaction to the final season wasn't that great. A million fans signed a petition to remake season 8 with 'competent writers...'"
Someone that worked on the show: "Yeah, I heard that *chuckles*... look, making a season of TV is a huge project, it takes a tonne of work and everyone worked really hard on it, so people acting like it's a simple task to just remake a season obviously don't know all of that, and even if you aren't happy with it I think it's disrespectful to all the people that worked on it to demand they do it again."
Interviewer: *chuckles* "Yeah, people don't know everything that gets into making a TV show. Anyway, your next film..."

People Raging Online: "We didn't want them to remake it, we signed that ironically, we just hate the lack of NUANCED WRITING!!"

I know some people will always want to dismiss and minimize criticism anyway, but why score an own goal by reductively shifting attention to an idiotic and entitled petition. I get the "symbolic" goal of trying to show that a large number of people hate season 8, but since that was already well known it didn't seem like that much of a challenge, so all it's doing is making people associated people that hate season 8 with people that would act like petty entitled idiots. It's like idiots that give Rick and Morty fans a bad name by making people associate them with people that throw a tantrum over Szechuan sauce.

I'm not outraged that people would dare criticise the show (I do dislike people making their criticism so personal and targeted towards individuals, but that ship already sailed), it's more that from the perspective of people criticisng the show I see it as a stupid move to want to make a petition like that your #1 image in pop culture.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 17, 2019, 10:06:56 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 17, 2019, 09:57:29 AM
Well if you go by the Internet, dogs matter more than humans, so of course everyone is enraged that "omg good doge dinnit get petteded wtf!" and it's racist that Missandei died in chains. :lol :lol

This is so true I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 10:07:26 AM: Yeah, I can see how those points are mainly nitpickings. My main complaints are:

- As much as I understand that it's difficult to have the heroes survive (in order to fight another day and eventually win) an unstoppable force of nature, the sudden defeat of the White Walkers means that nobody in Westeros south of the Twins will even realize how much Jon was right in warning about the dead, ie - the seemingly main theme of the show.
- Arya jumps out of nowhere for her surprise attack to the Night King. Pippin in Lord of the Rings made a surprise attack at the Nazgul, nobody complained about that because he was right there on the ground.
- Rhaegal, a moving flying target, gets seen and sniped with 100% precision by a ship that was hidden and therefore couldn't have been able to see it. I can't see you, you can't see me.

I accept the story decisions, but they have to make sense. Pippin stabbing the leg of the Nazgul because he was on the ground having fallen with Eowyn from the horse they were both riding makes sense. Pippin being shown 20 minutes earlier in Minas Tirith and then flying out of the air to attack the Nazgul doesn't make sense, no matter how much you rationalize it by saying "He had the time to get out of Minas Tirith, you knew he cared for Eowyn".

But there are many small things that amount to the story being a bit off, we can see it analyzing how many wrong things there are with a single scene, the war council on what to do after having destroyed the White Walkers. Here we go from Wikiquote:

Quote
Grey Worm: [on the Unsullied] Half are gone.
Jon Snow: The Northmen as well.
Varys: And the Golden Company has arrived in King's Landing, courtesy of the Greyjoy Fleet. The balance has become... distressingly even.
Missandei: When the people find out what we have done for them, how we saved them-
Daenerys Targaryen: Cersei will make sure they don't believe it. We will hit her hard. We will rip her out, root and stem.
Tyrion Lannister: The objective here is to remove Cersei, without destroying King's Landing.
Varys: Thankfully, she's losing allies by the day. Yara Greyjoy has retaken the Iron Islands in her Queen's name. The new Prince of Dorne pledges his support.
Daenerys Targaryen: No matter how many Lords turn against her, as long as she sits on the Iron Throne, she can call herself Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. We need the capital.
Tyrion Lannister: I watched the people of King's Landing rebel against their King when they were hungry, and that was before winter began. Give them the opportunity, and they will cast Cersei aside.
Jon Snow: We'll surround the city. If the Iron Fleet tries to ferry in more food, the dragons will destroy them. If the Lannisters and the Golden Company attack, we'll defeat them in the field.
Tyrion Lannister: Once the people see that Cersei is our only enemy, her reign is over.
Daenerys Targaryen: All right.
Sansa Stark: The men we have left are exhausted. Many of them are wounded. They'll fight better if they have time to rest and recuperate.
Daenerys Targaryen: How long do you suggest?
Sansa Stark: I can't say for certain, not without talking to the officers.
Daenerys Targaryen: I came north to fight alongside you, at great cost to my armies and myself. Now that the time has come to reciprocate, you want to postpone.
Sansa Stark: It's not just our people, it's yours! You want to throw them into a war they're not ready to fight?
Daenerys Targaryen: The longer I leave my enemies alone, the stronger they become.
Jon Snow: [firmly] The Northern forces will honor their promises, and their allegiance to the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. What you command, we will obey.
Tyrion Lannister: So. If all are in agreement... Jon and Ser Davos will ride down the Kingsroad with the Northern troops and the bulk of the remaining Dothraki and Unsullied. A smaller group of us will ride to White Harbor, and sail from there to Dragonstone, with our Queen and her dragons accompanying us from above. Ser Jaime has chosen to remain here, as a quest of the Lady of Winterfell.
Daenerys Targaryen: [locking eyes with Sansa] We have won the Great War. Now, we will win the last war. In all Seven Kingdoms, men will live without fear and cruelty... under their rightful Queen.

In one single scene, with few minutes of dialogue, we have:

1) A direct contradiction when Varys says that Cersei is LOSING allies, but Dany says her enemies grow STRONGER; does she even listen?
2) A very reasonable issue raised by Sansa, with everyone being tired, that is dismissed by saying something in direct contradiction with something affirmed before;
3) The role of the dragons being estabilished as anti-ships "aircrafts" only for the dragons not seeing ships from above later;
4) Who are those allies and enemies to begin with? Cersei didn't "lose" the Iron Islands (a bunch of sea rapists that nobody even remembers they exist until they raid too much inland) or Dorne (people secreting hating the Lannister for the murder of Elia Martell and their children), it was only logical they wouldn't care for her.

Elaborating more on this: someone earlier said that they wanted to focus more on the main storylines, and also on the actual actors being paid to be the protagonists. This of course makes total and complete sense, you can't pay a fuckton of money to Lena Headey and Peter Dinklage to sit in their trailers while you show Mr. RandomBum from RandomHouse doing something that has no relation to the main story just because it's in a 1500 pages book, but on the other hand, their made the world too much small, without achieving a proper compromise between pruning the cast, and world building.

This is no longer the game of thrones, it's Jon and Dany versus Cersei. Everyone else has disappeared. The story began with Rob having to cross a random bridge, and he had to give himself AND ARYA away in marriage to do it. That's how complex the world was. It's like if the Hobbits to leave the Shire would have to pay a big toll at a bridge, and being murdered for it when they didn't respect the pacts. Now we don't know:
- Who's in charge in place of basically anyone else who isn't the Lannisters or the Starks
- How the people of King's Landing reacted to the explosion of the Vatican with the Pope and the royal family inside.

Dany says that people won't now fear and cruelty anymore - are people in Westeros subjected to fear and cruelty? do we see Cersei being an active tyrant? is there a dictatorship in King's Landing with people being rounded up for being out late at night, are there unjust taxes? we don't know. We don't even know what the other lords of Westeros (because they are never mentioned) think and if "sending a message to them" in burning King's Landing could be a logical choice or not.

Anyone remember when Cersei was visited by Mycroft Holmes from the Iron Bank? she said that the explosion of the sept was "an accident". Maybe that was the cover story, a tragic accident with wildfire, the pyromancers screwed up, the young and gentle heart of the king couldn't handle such destruction, the queen mother is devasted as anyone and with a heavy heart and without heirs assumes the crown for the good of the realm blah blah blah. We must assume it at best, we don't see it and so we can never see if people have an actual reason to love Dany or to long for her.

This is what creates all the discussions about the actions of the protagonists: when it's literally just Starks + Dany vs Cersei in King's Landing, we no longer have a view on how the rest of Westworld reacts, or even lives under Cersei, to contextualize better the choices of Dany.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 10:17:26 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 10:07:26 AM
we no longer have a view on how the rest of Westworld reacts

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 17, 2019, 01:23:24 PM: Quote from: pg1067 on May 17, 2019, 09:51:01 AM
Sansa's conversation with The Hound, which attributed her strong character to the rape and torture she endured: I don't really understand what this issue is. Is someone suggesting that the crap she endured wouldn't have strengthened her?
There is actually a valid complaint here, although ultimately it comes down to lazy writing like most of the valid issues from the last few seasons. Rape is not typically something that strengthens the victim. In some cases it can, sure, everyone is different and has different experiences which affect them in different ways. But in many cases (perhaps most, I've no idea what the stats suggest) the experience has an extremely negative impact on the victim which they have to work hard to recover from, if they can.

Of course it's possible for someone to be affected like Sansa was, so I'm not sure it's unrealistic in that sense, but people are absolutely entitled to feel that the way it was written (especially in such brief and basic terms) implies that rape has a positive outcome.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 01:48:51 PM: I watched this vidoe this morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd-R7ySHbYA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd-R7ySHbYA)

it's GRRM over the summer talking about the show and spinoffs. He pretty much says the actors and showrunners didn't want to do the show anymore, they all wanted to move on. GRRM was the one who pushed them to do one more season. They wanted it done in season 7. Imagine if that was allowed? I hope people in the future look at this example and say, "we shouldn't sign people to do these shows if they arent committed to finishing it properly" Seems everyone is looking up to bigger and better things now that they got their stardom. D&D doing the next star wars seems to be the proof that they might have had their eye on their next prize.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 01:50:28 PM: That is such a shame. I know, it's easy to beg for more, but... I mean, what would a couple more years be, compared to however many more years almost all of them have in their careers? Oh well...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 17, 2019, 02:20:48 PM: I kind of find it hard to believe the majority of the actors would be in favor of rushing the plot just to be done with it. Nailing the landing is better for everyone. The showrunners are replaceable in my opinion. I mean, it is not like acting in Game of Thrones prevents you from doing other projects, many of them have been in other films or projects, major ones even. Just look at Peter Dinklage. However, like with the MCU, these actors get significantly more expensive as their careers progress and as with all large series, their demands become higher (which is their right). Offcourse, some actors probably really don't feel like doing it. But in terms of career progression, major Hollywood stars have been doing stage plays and shows (cable/streaming) inbetween high profile productions as well, so I don't buy being tethered to the biggest series of all time, with not all that much screentime, is detrimental to your career. And a longer season (10 instead of 6?), perhaps with some timeskips, could have been sufficient as well in my opinion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 17, 2019, 03:13:43 PM: I was shocked to learn how little these actors and actresses are making. Arya only makes $180k an episode. Cersei gets $500k. Seems low seeing as the show is arguably HBO's most successful ever. I mean, The Big Bang cast was making $1M an episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 03:15:45 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 17, 2019, 03:13:43 PM
I was shocked to learn how little these actors and actresses are making. Arya only makes $180k an episode. Cersei gets $500k. Seems low seeing as the show is arguably HBO's most successful ever. I mean, The Big Bang cast was making $1M an episode.

Got to remember that many of the actors were nobody before this show. Cersei was one of the most well known. Then add in the large cast, these costs quickly add up. They definitely were getting into a money problem too as the actors want more each season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 03:21:21 PM: Yeah, I can't really call myself a movie expert, but when the show started, Sean Bean - who I firstly and mainly associated with Boromir, second fiddle in a big cast and killed in the first of three movies - was by far the most famous actor involved. And I happened to stumble upon Lena Headey in a Grimm movie. That was it, I didn't know anybody else. Maybe Mark Addy (King Robert), must have seen him somewhere, but the rest were all unknown to me.

I might understand some of the cast being burnt out - what it must have been like to shoot the battle of Winterfell over what, 40 nights? more? but Lena Headey, as memes around the web point out, got paid so much for every episode to just stare out of a window while drinking wine. Lifetime goals ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 03:23:11 PM: :lol yea and Sean Bean being the big name maybe got paid the big bucks since they knew they weren't keeping him around much longer. Charles Dance was another bigger name, but I'm not sure he was even in season 1? I don't remember if we saw him at the end of season 1 or beginning of season 2.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 17, 2019, 03:24:10 PM: I'd do terrible things for Arya's pay tbh
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 03:30:47 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 03:23:11 PM
:lol yea and Sean Bean being the big name maybe got paid the big bucks since they knew they weren't keeping him around much longer. Charles Dance was another bigger name, but I'm not sure he was even in season 1? I don't remember if we saw him at the end of season 1 or beginning of season 2.

He appeared near the end of season 1, skinning a stag and chastizing Jamie about family values and leadership. And Charles Dance actually learnt to skin a stag and he was performing it for real during the scene. That's how badass he is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 17, 2019, 03:55:08 PM: I know battles like the one of Winterfell took more than 50 days to film, but that is the entire thing containing many different pieces and sets. I don't think the entire cast was there at their position in the battle every time something was recorded. My housemate did a couple of days for Dunkirk and he was on stand by for several days and only joined filming for like an hour or so. Offcourse he was just some background soldier, but there are so many layers in these films and not all of them are done at once. Who knows, maybe Emilia was standing on a rock for 30 days and riding in front of a green screen for 20, but I doubt it. But on the flipside there are stories like the actors in The Lord of the Rings, who had to stand still for a long ass time just to get in their Hobbit shoes. So maybe there are a lot of small things that add up in these productions I don't immediately think of.

Quote from: Chino on May 17, 2019, 03:13:43 PM
I was shocked to learn how little these actors and actresses are making. Arya only makes $180k an episode. Cersei gets $500k. Seems low seeing as the show is arguably HBO's most successful ever. I mean, The Big Bang cast was making $1M an episode.

A higher amount of leads, big sets, extensive custumes/make-up and high quality cgi. I think it would be a tough sell to the production company of Game of Thrones to pay the actors that much, even with this degree of popularity. And honestly I think that is one of the reasons the production as a whole wants to move on and use the strong brand to do something new. Many actors of the MCU, for example, also didn't get paid that much initially. But when those initial contracts ran out, they (rightfully) become way more expensive.

Quote from: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 03:23:11 PM
:lol yea and Sean Bean being the big name maybe got paid the big bucks since they knew they weren't keeping him around much longer. Charles Dance was another bigger name, but I'm not sure he was even in season 1? I don't remember if we saw him at the end of season 1 or beginning of season 2.

He appeared near the end of season 1, skinning a stag and chastizing Jamie about family values and leadership. And Charles Dance actually learnt to skin a stag and he was performing it for real during the scene. That's how badass he is.

Dance is probably my favourite casting of the entire show. And the fact that he did that for real after just learning it while nailing a compelling performance shows how good he is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 17, 2019, 04:30:13 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 17, 2019, 03:13:43 PM
I was shocked to learn how little these actors and actresses are making. Arya only makes $180k an episode. Cersei gets $500k. Seems low seeing as the show is arguably HBO's most successful ever. I mean, The Big Bang cast was making $1M an episode.

I ask this because I don't know the answer:

A show like Big Bang Theory directly generates revenue through advertising. As a result, actors on successful network shows can demand high per-episode pay. By contrast, shows on HBO generate no direct revenue. HBO generates direct revenue through subscriptions, which are not tied to any given show. Doesn't that have something to do with this? Also, aside from the other things folks have mentioned (e.g., large main cast, most of whom were relative unknowns before the show began), how much screen time did Maisie Williams actually have this season?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 04:58:08 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 17, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 03:23:11 PM
:lol yea and Sean Bean being the big name maybe got paid the big bucks since they knew they weren't keeping him around much longer. Charles Dance was another bigger name, but I'm not sure he was even in season 1? I don't remember if we saw him at the end of season 1 or beginning of season 2.

He appeared near the end of season 1, skinning a stag and chastizing Jamie about family values and leadership. And Charles Dance actually learnt to skin a stag and he was performing it for real during the scene. That's how badass he is.

Yea, I love that scene for the symbolism of skinning a stag. Just couldn't immediately remember if that was end of season 1 or beginning of season 2. And also totally loved his performance as Tywin.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 17, 2019, 05:59:03 PM: Considering the average person sticks around at a job for like 2 years these days, it's amazing that they got all the actors to stick around for basically 10 years of filming, promo tours, etc for this show. Not quite the same as a normal job, but it's still a grueling schedule for a good chunk of the year for them. I completely get wanting to move on, despite good money.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 06:03:01 PM: Quote from: lordxizor on May 17, 2019, 05:59:03 PM
Considering the average person sticks around at a job for like 2 years these days, it's amazing that they got all the actors to stick around for basically 10 years of filming, promo tours, etc for this show. Not quite the same as I normal job, but it's still a grueling schedule for a good chunk of the year for them. I completely get wanting to move on, despite good money.

I don't blame them because actors are artists and by playing one role they aren't building themselves much, now granted they are getting exposure, good money, and building a fan base around the character they play, but you are right. After awhile, they are going to want to do more than just be Arya stark and their off time only allows so much. But I do wish they'd want to be committed to making a solid show to the end. It's like when a NFL QB takes less money to build a team around them to have a better chance of winning, take a small hit to build something better, but that's not always best business for the individuals.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 17, 2019, 06:06:56 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 06:03:01 PM
But I do wish they'd want to be committed to making a solid show to the end.
I don't think anyone was intentionally not making a solid show. Sometimes despite best laid plans, things just don't work out as well as hoped.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 06:08:53 PM: Quote from: lordxizor on May 17, 2019, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 17, 2019, 06:03:01 PM
But I do wish they'd want to be committed to making a solid show to the end.
I don't think anyone was intentionally not making a solid show. Sometimes despite best laid plans, things just don't work out as well as hoped.

Yea that comment I made kind of comes off assuming they did not, I'm sure they all did.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2019, 12:29:42 AM: https://entertainment.theonion.com/game-of-thrones-showrunners-disappointed-with-how-qua-1834843021?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=theonion_copy&utm_campaign=top
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Post by: erwinrafael on May 18, 2019, 04:55:39 AM: Do we see these petitions go viral if there is no legit negative sentiment? Do we see such petitions for how The Avengers was ended? For how Big Bang Theory ended? Last time I saw this much negative reaction to a show's final season is with HIMYM.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 18, 2019, 05:59:39 AM: If at all, this shows what a huge and almost overwhelming undertaking the story is.

The author isn't able to finish it.
The showrunners weren't able to stay commited to the story to see it through for as many seasons as it would take.
The actors got overwhelmed with the production and wanted to move on.

I mean, and to think that the filming of all three Lord of the Rings movies seemed at the time such a huge and colossal project, that's nothing compared to this :lol
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 18, 2019, 07:11:57 AM: I mean, the cast who've been in it since the first episode have been working on it since about 2009, the showrunners slightly before that. It seems a bit much to imagine they could have demanded people in 2009 to only do it if they were committed to finishing it properly, rather than only being committed for a mere decade.

If anything I think the fact that actors and others want to move on as well shows that it's not a case of showrunners being abnormally negligent and desperate to move on, it's just that they were reaching the limit of how long a group of people in the industry are willing to work on a project like this. Most shows that go on for more than 10 years with the same cast are simpler things to shoot; a few people in front of three cameras and a live studio audience in LA or a major city, animated shows that just require voice work from the actors, things like that. The way actors talk about filming Game Of Thrones it seems it's considered more comparable to filming big films - location shooting, action, night shoots, elaborate costume / make-up, etc. - rather than the type of thing actors would keep as a stable, comfortable gig. Obviously I'm not saying it's some awful hardship in the grand scheme of things - getting paid a few hundred thousand an episode even for exhausting work is still pretty sweet position to be in in life no matter how you look at it - but within the context of the industry working on something like that doesn't seem to be something that people can keep up for years and years indefinitely.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 18, 2019, 09:08:43 AM: I get not wanting to do more seasons, because 10 years is indeed a long ass time. As someone mentioned above, the actors are also touring for promotions and such (which is also work), hadn't thought of that. But a couple of more episodes with quality dialogue (not the big setpieces that take so much time and money) in both seasons 7 and 8 would've come a long, long way. Many of the series highlights are actually just people talking with each other in a room or some small scale battles/actions/betrayals. And honestly, it is Game of Thrones, there is no reason this many characters have survived like dozens of fake out deaths for over two seasons. If there is one show that could've afforded to cut off some characters it is this one.

Ultimately it was their choice to let most plotlines resolve in the final couple of episodes. And looking at this season, the first two episodes are two hours of super elaborate build up, with loads of fanservice. But then the actual climax moments where major arch resolve are rushed and feels like they are jumping through the plot.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2019, 09:14:40 AM: Quote from: ErHaO on May 18, 2019, 09:08:43 AM
I get not wanting to do more seasons, because 10 years is indeed a long ass time. As someone mentioned above, the actors are also touring for promotions and such (which is also work), hadn't thought of that. But a couple of more episodes with quality dialogue (not the big setpieces that take so much time and money) in both seasons 7 and 8 would've come a long, long way. Many of the series highlights are actually just people talking with each other in a room or some small scale battles/actions/betrayals.

Yea seriously, we could have had so many more brothel dialogue scenes :biggrin:
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 18, 2019, 09:19:11 AM: I'm pretty sure after tomorrow night I'm gonna be a really sad panda. I absolutely love this show and will miss it.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2019, 09:26:03 AM: Yea totally, end of an era for me
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 18, 2019, 09:37:02 AM: Well, if you want the feels, go check the video of Jenny of Oldstones released by HBO, some of the matches between lyrics and images will get dust speckles in your eyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTa1jHk1Lxc

It feels like an eulogy for an era, I was so caught up in all the drama for the battles (and the disappointment) that I almost forgot there's ONE EPISODE LEFT EVER. "Give me something for the pain and let me die".
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 18, 2019, 02:06:05 PM: Haven't comment anything about S08 at all because i've reserved my opinion until the end but honestly no matter how the show ends or what I feel about S08 in general it's been one HELL of a ride since I started watching the show back in 2012 and it's without a doubt one of the best shows i've ever watched and I will sorely miss it. :'(
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 18, 2019, 02:24:55 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 18, 2019, 09:37:02 AM
Well, if you want the feels, go check the video of Jenny of Oldstones released by HBO, some of the matches between lyrics and images will get dust speckles in your eyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTa1jHk1Lxc

It feels like an eulogy for an era, I was so caught up in all the drama for the battles (and the disappointment) that I almost forgot there's ONE EPISODE LEFT EVER. "Give me something for the pain and let me die".
Definitely some dust speckles.... :lol
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Post by: lonestar on May 18, 2019, 02:25:55 PM: Just a shade over 24 hours left till we're left with only unanswerable questions. No matter what happens, the internet will shit itself Monday morning
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 18, 2019, 02:58:24 PM: Quote from: lonestar on May 18, 2019, 02:25:55 PM
Just a shade over 24 hours left till we're left with only unanswerable questions. No matter what happens, the internet will shit itself Monday morning

Agreed. The internet is definitely gonna explode with this one :lol
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Post by: XJDenton on May 18, 2019, 04:28:44 PM: As will HBOs stock price.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2019, 04:42:29 PM: The last couple days I have been seeing and reading a lot of disappointment from the actors. Emilia is pretty much not even hiding that she hates the writing of this season. Boy, tomorrow night and next week are gonna be a doozy for the social communities. Hold on to your butts. :lol
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Post by: XJDenton on May 18, 2019, 04:49:52 PM: The memes shall see me through these dark nights.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2019, 04:55:38 PM: :lol

I'm going to play the first 3 episodes of season 8 tonight. Then the final 3 tomorrow. In retrospect it is utterly bizarre that a shortened season kind of feels like 2 seasons crammed into 3 episode arcs apiece. Going to enjoy the last 'big ride.' Cheers, GoT, no matter the quality of the end.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 18, 2019, 06:02:13 PM: I have been checking out older highlight scenes and am enjoying them a whole lot. So many legendary scenes. This season won't take that from me. As for the finale I am sure I will enjoy the hell out of the memes. And who knows, maybe I will like this one because my expectations are low. But I can't stress enough that this series as a whole is still fantastic and there is nothing comparable out there. It has been a great ride.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2019, 08:02:54 PM: Quote from: ErHaO on May 18, 2019, 06:02:13 PM
I have been checking out older highlight scenes and am enjoying them a whole lot. So many legendary scenes. This season won't take that from me. As for the finale I am sure I will enjoy the hell out of the memes. And who knows, maybe I will like this one because my expectations are low. But I can't stress enough that this series as a whole is still fantastic and there is nothing comparable out there. It has been a great ride.

This is a perfect time to ask: what is everyone's favorite 'dialogue' scene in the show? A scene with little to no action, just two (or more) characters talking. Slap on the wrist for anyone who picks Littlefinger's sexposition scene. I have to admit, going back and watching some of these, the contrast is SO stark (pun unintended) between endgame and early era GoT.

I've been thinking about it since I read your post, ErHaO, and I'm tossing it up between Tywin talking to Jaime while skinning the stag, Cersei and Bobby B just having a normal conversation together, and Tyrion lambasting the crowd at his trial. I'm leaning towards Cersei and Bobby B.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 18, 2019, 09:25:10 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 18, 2019, 08:02:54 PM

This is a perfect time to ask: what is everyone's favorite 'dialogue' scene in the show?

For me its pretty much anything with tywin talking. He's awesome
Also really like Little finger and Varys in the throne room "Chaos is a ladder scene"
And anything with oberyn talking. Coolest mother fucker ever
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Post by: KevShmev on May 18, 2019, 09:28:51 PM: Too many great dialogue scenes to pick just one, although I am sure I am not alone in saying my favorite talkers are/were Tyrion, Tywin and Olenna.
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Post by: Mladen on May 19, 2019, 01:56:31 AM: There's a brilliant conversation between Tyrion and Jamie before Tyrion has his trial by combat in season four. That is kind of the first dialogue that comes to mind.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 19, 2019, 04:02:24 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 18, 2019, 08:02:54 PM
This is a perfect time to ask: what is everyone's favorite 'dialogue' scene in the show? A scene with little to no action, just two (or more) characters talking. Slap on the wrist for anyone who picks Littlefinger's sexposition scene. I have to admit, going back and watching some of these, the contrast is SO stark (pun unintended) between endgame and early era GoT.

Winner is definitively Tyrion's rant at the trial. Awesome performance that deserves all the Emmys there can be. I could basically repat it word for word. That was Game of Thrones at its very peak.

Second has to be Oberyn talking with Tyrion offering to be his champion. I stumbled upon a video interview with Pedro Pascal and he said that was the FIRST scene he did - I know actors read the script, prepare for their part and all, but to just come in and start with that scene... incredible! the whole scene is amazing. Oberyn being his sassy self. He then empathizes with Tyrion, tellin him how much Cersei hated him since the beginning. "That's not a monster... that's just a baby". And then the badass reveal that he wants to be his champions. Wonderful from beginning to end.

Basically everything with Tywin and Olenna, thanks to Charles Dance and Diana Rigg. To give credit to the authors (and maybe to be even more annoyed at season 8 since it shows that they still had in it), Olenna telling Jaimie she poisoned Joffrey was gorgeous from beginning to end. Even in defeat she was always her sassy self, she tried more than once to get Jaimie talking about Joffrey, and then the ultimate burn, the reveal after she already drank the poisoned wine. "Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me". Hail Olenna, the Queen of Thorns, the only one that won even in dying.

Even though it was all thrown away by the burning of Shireen ("But it will happen also in the book!!!"... yeah, be sure that it will be a greater sacrifice for major reasons, not just to melt some snow) , Stannis telling his daughter that he's not ashamed of her was also brilliant.

Now if we compare all of this with "Cersei is losing allies by the day" with Dany replying "my enemies grow stronger" 60 seconds later....... *sigh*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 19, 2019, 05:38:05 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 18, 2019, 08:02:54 PM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 18, 2019, 06:02:13 PM
I have been checking out older highlight scenes and am enjoying them a whole lot. So many legendary scenes. This season won't take that from me. As for the finale I am sure I will enjoy the hell out of the memes. And who knows, maybe I will like this one because my expectations are low. But I can't stress enough that this series as a whole is still fantastic and there is nothing comparable out there. It has been a great ride.

This is a perfect time to ask: what is everyone's favorite 'dialogue' scene in the show? A scene with little to no action, just two (or more) characters talking. Slap on the wrist for anyone who picks Littlefinger's sexposition scene. I have to admit, going back and watching some of these, the contrast is SO stark (pun unintended) between endgame and early era GoT.

I've been thinking about it since I read your post, ErHaO, and I'm tossing it up between Tywin talking to Jaime while skinning the stag, Cersei and Bobby B just having a normal conversation together, and Tyrion lambasting the crowd at his trial. I'm leaning towards Cersei and Bobby B.

Definitely the trail of Tyrion for me, Dinklage's his performance is sublime there.

And Tywin schooling his children and grandchildren was always great. His introduction with the stag probably being the highlight of those.

But honestly it is difficult to pick other standouts because there are many involving a wide variety of characters.

Quote from: MirrorMask on May 19, 2019, 04:02:24 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 18, 2019, 08:02:54 PM
This is a perfect time to ask: what is everyone's favorite 'dialogue' scene in the show? A scene with little to no action, just two (or more) characters talking. Slap on the wrist for anyone who picks Littlefinger's sexposition scene. I have to admit, going back and watching some of these, the contrast is SO stark (pun unintended) between endgame and early era GoT.

Second has to be Oberyn talking with Tyrion offering to be his champion. I stumbled upon a video interview with Pedro Pascal and he said that was the FIRST scene he did - I know actors read the script, prepare for their part and all, but to just come in and start with that scene... incredible! the whole scene is amazing. Oberyn being his sassy self. He then empathizes with Tyrion, tellin him how much Cersei hated him since the beginning. "That's not a monster... that's just a baby". And then the badass reveal that he wants to be his champions. Wonderful from beginning to end.

Oberyn only had a short presence in the series but nonetheless his death is one of the ones that impacted me the most. Pedro Pascal did a fantastic job.
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Post by: XJDenton on May 19, 2019, 05:38:33 AM: Not sure it's the best, but I like the conversations between Tywin and Arya in Harrenhal.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 19, 2019, 06:35:35 AM: I guess I was thinking more along the lines of dialogues in a back-and-forth conversation, but yeah, Tyrion's rant at his trail would certainly be at the top.

Tywin schooling Tommen right after Joffrey's death was stellar as well. "Your brother was not a wise king. Your brother was not a good king." Right in front of Cersei. :lol :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 19, 2019, 08:34:50 AM: Yea Tywin schooling his kids was always great.
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Post by: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 10:44:25 AM: I always enjoyed the drinking game scene.

As to my favorite line, that'd be "My sister asked you a question..."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 01:18:55 PM: Ok, last minute predictions....

I say Jon becomes the Queen Slayer, kills Dany, then abdicates the throne to Sansa.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2019, 01:20:57 PM: Quote from: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
Ok, last minute predictions....

I say Jon becomes the Queen Slayer, kills Dany, then abdicates the throne to Sansa.

Got room in that boat for one more? That's what I'm thinking as well. I also think if there's a mention of Jaime gone missing from captivity then Tyrion will be executed but I am crossing my fingers that someone saves his hide at the last minute. Beyond that... no idea what they're gonna do.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 19, 2019, 01:24:36 PM: Quote from: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
Ok, last minute predictions....

I say Jon becomes the Queen Slayer, kills Dany, then abdicates the throne to Sansa.

I’m with ya RJ. Have had this thought for some time now.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 19, 2019, 03:00:04 PM: Quote from: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
Ok, last minute predictions....

I say Jon becomes the Queen Slayer, kills Dany, then abdicates the throne to Sansa.
Either this, or they decide to leave the throne empty and let the seven kingdoms rule themselves.
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Post by: Elite on May 19, 2019, 03:00:35 PM: Predictions for the title of the last episode? I bet it's gonna be 'A Song of Ice & Fire'.

As someone who has read the books I never took much interest in the series and I'm seriously slapping myself for that ever since Season 8 started, because I feel like I'm missing out. I did kind-of follow what the series was doing, even beyond the books, but never bothered to actually watch the show. At this moment I'm halfway through Season 4 with the watching, but you bet I'm going to watch the Finale tomorrow (yes, in Europe it will be tomorrow), because there's no way I'll be able to avoid spoilers.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 19, 2019, 03:08:02 PM: I have to think that Jon ends up on the Iron Throne. Yeah... he doesn't want it, but the only legit claims are Dani and Him. I know he has repeatedly said he doesn't want it, but I don't think he will have a choice. Word is now out about his heritage, Thanks Varys!

Dark horse - Jon abdicates and a united Sansa and Tyrion rule. :biggrin:
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 19, 2019, 03:11:16 PM: Quote from: Elite on May 19, 2019, 03:00:35 PM
Predictions for the title of the last episode? I bet it's gonna be 'A Song of Ice & Fire'.

If it's not gonna be that or A Dream of Spring, it's gonna be a fail.

Night gathers, and now my non watch begins.

In the USA the episode will air, I will sleep, go to work and be terrified to open Facebook and Instagram all day until I can come back home and see the episode.

I have to say it was relatively safe on social media - I watched The Long Night completely unspoiled, and all I've seen before last episode were a couple of memes about Dany giggling in front of the fire house, and a "You went full Targaryen - you never, ever go full Targaryen". I'm afraid the internet will shit itself with the last episode and I'll thread the web veeeeeeeery carefully.

(This means I'll also miss the first 3-4 pages of discussions and I'll arrive later saying things already said and not as good as many other people here are able to do).

At least it will be the last time I'll have to endure such a spoiler terror :lol

On a scale from Dexter to Breaking Bad, let's hope it will tend towards the latter.... have a good watch everyone! too bad that the answer to the god of series ending is, alas..... "Today".
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2019, 04:34:06 PM: Shower thoughts: I'm thinking A Time For Wolves might be the most fitting title given recent events. The future of Westeros is looking mighty bleak right now - regardless of what happens to the people, King's Landing just got freaking annihilated, what is going to happen to the economy of the Seven Kingdoms with the capitol literally blown to smithereens? It'll take generations to rebuild the city with their technology.

ASOIAF or ADOS would be good titles though. Hoping it's one of the three.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 19, 2019, 05:00:11 PM: There is not a whole lot of Ice in this story anymore, so I hope the title will be something else.

As for who ends up on the throne, I think Dany will die (by Jon), considering her actions last episode, pretty much the entire kingdom will be out for her blood. Gendry, while the son of a king that brought decades of peace, is a bastard only just now a lord that still has to make a name for himself. That leaves Jon and the Starks. While my gut feeling still says Jon, I think the writers want someone unexpected, if someone ends up ruling after all. Simply because Jon would be the one most predict and that is not how this season has been rolling (biggest example being Arya taking the Night King). In that case I think it will be one of the Starks. Strong family name, of whom several have been leaders, thus other prominent families/the people being fine with it. Out of those Sansa has been the most leadership like. Bran is a emotionless husk and Arya is not going to do it. But that is me trying to predict something unexpected.
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 19, 2019, 08:16:42 PM: I could define season 8 but this episode I just have no words
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 19, 2019, 08:17:46 PM: Well, that's that

I don't know what to think
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2019, 08:20:51 PM: I have a lot of thoughts on what just happened. But for now, I'll just post what I shared on my Facebook as the credits rolled.

When I was a kid, I remember the first thing I ever wanted to be was a fantasy author. And I really envy this world George R.R. Martin has created, and how much happiness it's brought me. That goes to everyone ever involved in the TV show, too. This has been an unbelievable thing to watch unfold and take over the world. I have my thoughts on this last season's pacing - not the events so much - but that's a whole other can of worms. I would have loved to see this go for 10, 11, 12 seasons...

But for now I think I'll get back to reading A Game of Thrones. :)
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Post by: NoseofNicko on May 19, 2019, 08:24:53 PM: Wow...
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Post by: faizoff on May 19, 2019, 08:27:00 PM: That's all folks. The ending sorta reminded me of season four finale with similar music notes. At least everyone bitching about Jon not petting his Ghost will shut up.

This was a lot more optimistic ending than I thought it would be. But I'm not complaining. Farewell GoT, one of the most cinematic shows ever.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2019, 08:27:26 PM: Omg that's exactly what I thought when I saw Ghost :rollin
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 19, 2019, 08:29:12 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 19, 2019, 08:20:51 PM
I would have loved to see this go for 10, 11, 12 seasons...

Me too. I think if this line of events had more time to breathe, and develop, then things would have been much better. But oh well. Hard swinging from night king, to cersie, to dany being the villain in just 3 episodes wasn't doing the show any favors.

I thought it was cool in a bittersweet ironic kind of way that Dany only was able to touch the throne, but not actually able to sit in it.

We only got a small taste of the dany regime, but it felt legit tense and terrifying.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 19, 2019, 08:29:20 PM: I need a sitcom with the new council headed by Tyrion.
The best thing about this is that it's over, there's no satisfaction here except knowing that I don't have to think about it anymore.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 19, 2019, 08:30:53 PM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 19, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
I thought it was cool in a bittersweet ironic kind of way that Dany only was able to touch the throne, but not actually able to sit in it.

I liked that, once Jon walked in I predicted he's gonna give her the Ramsay. That's stabbing someone who's hugging you hehe
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2019, 08:32:53 PM: I personally loved when the lords laughed at Sam's pitch for democracy.

Also, was that f*&%ing Robin Arryn?! Holy cow it's been a while since we've seen him!
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 19, 2019, 08:34:05 PM: Oh sweet Robin, lol. What a difference
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Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2019, 08:34:35 PM: That episode could have been a whole season, other than that, not a bad ending. Pretty happy overall actually. Seems like all the good and favorite characters got happy endings, even Jon smiled at the end.
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Post by: faizoff on May 19, 2019, 08:36:48 PM: Truth be told I did not see Jon doing the deed. I did love that scene and figured the show would end with Dany on the throne being evil and killing everyone setting up more conflict on a neverending cycle as we normally see humans do time and time again.

That was the bleak ending I thought we would get so I'm delighted they didn't go that route and ended up being more hopeful instead. Fitting I think from all the horror we just saw.
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Post by: Chino on May 19, 2019, 08:40:11 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/0JPpmEJ.jpg)

Partially called it!

I'll reflect more tomorrow.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2019, 08:46:01 PM: I thought it was fantastic.
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Post by: masterthes on May 19, 2019, 08:48:11 PM: I loved how Drogon burnt the Iron Throne. Like he knew that's what ultimately killed his mother. I was satisfied with the ending. Grey Worm should've died though. Turned into quite the prick. I'll be shocked if Dinklage doesn't get another Emmy for this, and I think Emilia deserves one
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Post by: Podaar on May 19, 2019, 08:50:17 PM: I’m satisfied. Great show!
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Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 19, 2019, 08:50:26 PM: Just sent a text to my friend which said, 'screw the haters, but I had no problems with that finale'.

The Starks finally won. Bran is king, Sansa has her own kingdom, Arya is off traveling the world and Jon ran off with Tormund to become a wildling.

I knew Dany had to die. Was surprised it was Jon.

I second that sitcom idea with Tyrion and the cabinet. That would be amazing!
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Post by: KevShmev on May 19, 2019, 08:53:05 PM: Mixed feelings.

Bran becoming king gets a big eye roll from me.

No way they a) wouldn't have executed Tyrion right away (what were they waiting for?), and b) would have let Jon see him. I am glad Tyrion lived, though.

I hate that ending for Daenerys. Her arc deserved a better ending. Not saying she had to live, but letting her guard down like that made her look really stupid.

The best moment was Sansa at the end. After everything she endured, she deserved that ending.

Overall, I was pretty underwhelmed. I get what they were going for, but not sure it totally stuck to landing. I am glad it was a good ending for the Starks, though.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 19, 2019, 08:56:20 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 19, 2019, 08:53:05 PM
Mixed feelings.

Bran becoming king gets a big eye roll from me.

Overall, I was pretty underwhelmed. I get what they were going for, but not sure it totally stuck to landing. I am glad it was a good ending for the Starks, though.

Big eye roll for me as well for King Catatonic

And underwhelmed is how I would describe my feelings as well with the ending. It ties everything up, but I don't love it, and don't hate it. Its just ok
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Post by: masterthes on May 19, 2019, 09:03:16 PM: I think the best thing they could've done was ultimately decide they didn't need one unifying ruler. Everybody has their own territories. Rule them as you seem fit
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Post by: faizoff on May 19, 2019, 09:04:22 PM: On reflection I think I'm very satisfied with this ending and love how they wrapped it up. It bears repeating that the show would've really benefitted from a regular 10 episode season 7 & 8 and things would've felt a lot more satisfying. But given how things wound up it wasn't the overwhelming amazing feeling I had like with Breaking Bad but it was still very good.
And that shot of Dany with Drogon's wings opening behind her was an awesome shot. Making her look almost demonic.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 19, 2019, 09:09:26 PM: Holy crap.... I don't know what was going on but at the very end of the episode there was a shit load of particulates in the air in my living room.

Bran being selected as King.... Actually now it makes a helluva lot of sense. Being the 3 eyed Raven gives him a lot of insight and skills for the title. I LOVE that the Starks won. It will be interesting how folks react to Bran, but at the end of the day it should quell the folks saying the series over the last 2 seasons lacks the big "Twists".

My big "Questions" are... Did Drogon just go off to live in solitude? How the hell did they rebuild parts of Kings Landing so quickly? Were the unsullied sailing bak to Esos, basically abandoning Westoros?

I'm actually surprised the fanatic that Grey Worm was actually gave in to the Lords of Westros.

At the end of the day.... I think the ending was very good. We can always nit pick.

Quote from: faizoff on May 19, 2019, 09:04:22 PM

And that shot of Dany with Drogon's wings opening behind her was an awesome shot. Making her look almost demonic.
Yeah... that was EPIC!!!!!!!!
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2019, 09:13:24 PM: Quote from: masterthes on May 19, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
I loved how Drogon burnt the Iron Throne. Like he knew that's what ultimately killed his mother. I was satisfied with the ending. Grey Worm should've died though. Turned into quite the prick. I'll be shocked if Dinklage doesn't get another Emmy for this, and I think Emilia deserves one

You know I felt really bad for GW in episode 4 but omg I hated him so much in the final episode. SCREW that dude. Pissed me off every second he kept being on screen.
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Post by: Podaar on May 19, 2019, 09:18:45 PM: My favorite Dany moment in the entire series has to be when she said, “They don’t get to choose.” So chilling.

Oh, also the costumes! :omg:

The three-eyed raven on Brianne’s armor was bitchin’
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Post by: Grappler on May 19, 2019, 09:21:40 PM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 19, 2019, 09:09:26 PM
I'm actually surprised the fanatic that Grey Worm was actually gave in to the Lords of Westros.

Tyrion found a way to show him that they had broken Dany's wheel. Rulers will now be chosen/elected, rather than inherit the title by birth.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 19, 2019, 09:24:12 PM: The handling of Greyworm has been very out of character this episode, I thought for sure he'll have to die.
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Post by: faizoff on May 19, 2019, 09:24:37 PM: Final episode is officially titled 'The Iron Throne'.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 19, 2019, 09:26:22 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 19, 2019, 09:24:37 PM
Final episode is officially titled 'The Iron Throne'.
As in the "Melted down to slag" Iron Throne! :lol Pretty damn perceptive of Drogon....

Quote from: Grappler on May 19, 2019, 09:21:40 PM
Tyrion found a way to show him that they had broken Dany's wheel. Rulers will now be chosen/elected, rather than inherit the title by birth.
Still.... I get that, but he was a devoted FANATIC!
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Post by: Volante99 on May 19, 2019, 09:50:20 PM: So what, Jon is just gonna go be a lumberjack now? :P :angel:
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Post by: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 09:51:03 PM: Yeah, the moment I saw Drogon melt the throne, it seemed the only proper solution. Felt all the arcs were neatly tied up, albeit quickly, as has been this whole season. Overall I'm satisfied.

I too gave a big 'awwwwwww' when Ghost showed up. Felt Jon going with the wild was a proper solution, and probably where he'd be happiest. If done properly, Arya's journey west could make a killer spin off show.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 19, 2019, 09:52:58 PM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 19, 2019, 09:09:26 PM
I LOVE that the Starks won.

This is the big takeaway for me. House Stark was presented as the protagonists (by and large) in episode 1, and they were dealt some awful blows over the years, so it was great to see the remaining members get a mostly happy ending. :hat
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Post by: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 09:59:09 PM: Also, I love how they closed Tyrion's arc. They gave him two class-A monologues, the scene in prison and the one in the dragon pit. They had him basically decide the king, then followed it with making him hand. And also, gave him a last line perfectly fitting of his character, "I once went into a brothel with a goat and some honeycomb..."
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 19, 2019, 10:03:54 PM: Quote from: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 09:59:09 PM
Also, I love how they closed Tyrion's arc. They gave him two class-A monologues, the scene in prison and the one in the dragon pit. They had him basically decide the king, then followed it with making him hand. And also, gave him a last line perfectly fitting of his character, "I once went into a brothel with a goat and some honeycomb..."
Agreed... and like someone else mentioned... He should get and award for his performance.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2019, 10:05:40 PM: "I freed my brother... and you slaughtered a city."
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 19, 2019, 10:09:38 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 19, 2019, 10:05:40 PM
"I freed my brother... and you slaughtered a city."
give him props for standing his ground. Knowing it was a death sentence.
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Post by: lonestar on May 19, 2019, 10:13:33 PM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 19, 2019, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 19, 2019, 10:05:40 PM
"I freed my brother... and you slaughtered a city."
give him props for standing his ground. Knowing it was a death sentence.

Yeah, when he tossed the hand pin, I was sure he wasn't lasting another ten seconds.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2019, 10:15:45 PM: I'm about to go to bed and it just hit me that Drogon's fate is unknown. He was a good boy his whole life and now he's an orphan without either of his brothers. Damn, dude. :(
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Post by: Zoom E on May 19, 2019, 10:42:27 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 19, 2019, 09:04:22 PM

And that shot of Dany with Drogon's wings opening behind her was an awesome shot. Making her look almost demonic.

That was so well done. Just, wow.
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Post by: Nick on May 19, 2019, 11:22:19 PM: I would say my favorite moment of the entire season was Drogon burning the Iron Throne. I don't know if it was his way of saying "if she can't have it, neither can you", or "it was the pursuit of this that killed her, and so many others", but the cool thing is either way it was a totally epic and appropriate move that only a dragon could deliver so amazingly.

As far as Bran as king, the things that REALLY bothers me is that with his powers I feel like he could have helped craft a future that did not involve him as king, or one without the burning of King's Landing if he was truly concerned about the squabbles of the living, which was highly questionable since he seemed only to care about winning against the dead.

I also think Sansa had a pretty big dick move in the grand unification by breaking away not only from the throne, but from her brother. She is by far my least favorite actor/actress on the series, and I've never been overly fond of her character, so kinda sad to see her as Queen of the North.

The council scene near the end was certainly one of the best of the season, and makes me wish they could make a spinoff about rebuilding King's Landing/Westeros without dragons, war, or constant killing, because that group could be great going forward. Of course no one would watch that. :lol
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Post by: soupytwist on May 20, 2019, 12:14:18 AM: Thankfully not Dexter levels of bad.

But there is a major issue I have with the episode. An early scene shows Greyworm executing members of Cersei's army rather than prison them. John Snow kills Dany and we are led to believe (by a rather convenient time jump) that Greyworm made John a prisoner. That time jump was again another example of how the writing has dropped in this final season. We have to accept the Unsullied and the Dothraki - just sort of hung around doing nothing after Danys was killed until the leaders of the remaining realms turned up at Kings Landing (which in theory could take weeks).

Overall I'm satisfied with the route the story took in this final season, what I'm not so happy with is the way it was told. It simply needed more episodes to told the story at satisfying pace.
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Post by: erwinrafael on May 20, 2019, 01:42:10 AM: Would you have done it?
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Post by: ErHaO on May 20, 2019, 02:31:18 AM: I like how they handled Drogon, but for the rest a lot of these characters don't make a whole lote of sense to me. Pretty much in line what I thought of the entire season and I think it was pretty bad. However, I do not have any problem with where the characters ended, just how they got to those conclusions.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 20, 2019, 03:53:45 AM: How long til this gets edited out too? :lol

https://i.redd.it/84ezqyhataz21.jpg
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Post by: XJDenton on May 20, 2019, 04:29:26 AM: (https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/XJDenton/BreakTheWheel.png)
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Post by: masterthes on May 20, 2019, 04:49:22 AM: The point about Sansa though, she was just upholding tradition. She wasn't being a dick about it. Like Lyanna said, "The North knows no king"

On reflection, the big thing that disappointed me was that the few that knew ended up silently agreeing to keep Jon's parentage a secret. Why? Instead of being a queenslayer, they could've spun it that he was killing a usurper
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Post by: lordxizor on May 20, 2019, 05:13:02 AM: It was odd that they didn't even discuss crowning Jon. I get he was a prisoner of the Unsullied, but so was Tyrion. Makes sense that he didn't end up on the throne though.

Bran was an odd choice, IMO. They should have set him up as having a few leadership skills earlier in the season or something. It makes sense for him to be the first King in a new system where the nobles elect a new king every time one died I guess. Overall I was underwhelmed by the choice of Bran.

Overall I thought it was a fitting end. I knew it wasn't going to be an ending that I loved and it wasn't. It was never going to be a happy ending in all regards. For such an epic show it was kind of an un-epic ending which was a little disappointing in some ways. Though the dragon melting the throne was pretty great.
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Post by: ariich on May 20, 2019, 05:42:59 AM: That was kind of boring, to be honest. I mean, it was ok, but it all felt to me like a big anti-climax.

It also all felt really disconnected from previous events and recent episodes. What was that closing scene from episode 5 (Arya and the horse) about (EDIT: not just the horse obviously, but how that episode wrapped up Arya's experience throughout the episode. She barely featured in the finale)? If Varys had sent out ravens to tell people about Jon being the true heir, why did nobody care or even mention it? Given they were doing a short season and screen-time was therefore limited, why even show these things if they don't go anywhere or mean anything?
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Post by: XJDenton on May 20, 2019, 06:13:10 AM: It was a consistent problem in this season. Bronn's subplot and the golden company were both things that took up some screen time and in the end had no impact whatsoever.
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Post by: Grappler on May 20, 2019, 06:18:14 AM: Quote from: masterthes on May 20, 2019, 04:49:22 AM
On reflection, the big thing that disappointed me was that the few that knew ended up silently agreeing to keep Jon's parentage a secret. Why? Instead of being a queenslayer, they could've spun it that he was killing a usurper

I was surprised by that, given the books and the prophecies. The show has been building Jon up for years and made a big deal about his lineage, so I thought it would be a prominent item in the finale. But Jon was adamant to all that he didn't want to rule, so what's the point of releasing his true identity to the masses, especially after the last known living Targaryan just destroyed the capital city? Jon's lineage became another item to get under Dany's skin, leading her to anger and jealousy.

I thought it was a great finale - did not see Bran being elected at all. Love that the surviving members of the Stark family are all happy, and really loved seeing Brienne write in the white book. She finally got to where she wanted to be, being a knight and leading the Kingsguard. Having her fill in Jamie's pages after Joffrey mocked him for having such an empty entry is so touching and made me tear up.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 20, 2019, 06:22:14 AM: I am one of those people who was not thrilled with Danny's story arc. In hindsight, all the signs were there, I just thought she turned it up to eleven too quickly, if that makes any sense. Because of that, I was pleasantly surprised when they killed her off so early in the episode. At that point, I became really curious about what was going to happen, and what followed was pretty satisfying. Maybe not in a "they tied up every loose end" or a "this is Season 1-4 caliber" kind of way, but I felt like the remaining characters all ended up where they were supposed to. It was strangely hopeful... Maybe too hopeful, but I personally needed it after the complete bummer that was Season 8.

Overall, I think that Game of Thrones is an amazing achievement. Its first four seasons were mind-blowing. The next couple were good but, in my opinion, a tad dull. And it's last two have been the equivalent of a podcast on 1.5x speed. I really wish they stuck around for nine or ten full seasons, but I guess everything ends sometime. A week or two ago, I was genuinely concerned that I would never want to revisit the show again, but I'm already looking forward to rewatching it a few years from now. Can't believe it's over, but glad I was along for the ride!
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Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2019, 06:25:01 AM: "Died protecting his Queen" - Brienne finishing that entry for Jaime's legacy was definitely one of the best moments of the finale.

Regardless of what you thought of Cersei (or even Jaime), Tyrion finding their dead bodies was absolutely soul-crushing.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 20, 2019, 06:33:06 AM: Quote from: XJDenton on May 20, 2019, 06:13:10 AM
It was a consistent problem in this season. Bronn's subplot and the golden company were both things that took up some screen time and in the end had no impact whatsoever.
This was a problem with the entire series. There were constantly characters and subplots introduced that didn't have any impact on the central plot.
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Post by: kaos2900 on May 20, 2019, 06:43:11 AM: I thought it was a great ending. Great writing. I really don't understand why so many people are frustrated with Dany's arc. Her last conversation with Jon pretty much sums it up. She truly believed she was doing the right thing but in doing so would have become what she set out to destroy.

Bran will be keeping tabs on Drogon and I'm guessing warg into him as needed.

I already told my wife that we're going to re-watch the series early next year. Already can't wait!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 06:43:31 AM: Very underwhelming. It was OK in the fact that the Starks essentially ‘came out on top’.....even Jon being banished to the North wasn’t really a punishment to him. He’s with people he knows and loves. I’m fine with where it all ended but,

- Jon being a true Targaryn and that not even being mentioned was...umm....odd? Why even go through ALL of that about him to have it not even Play a role?

- Bran being king honestly doesn’t fit the show. Tyrion: “Will you do it?” Bran: “Why do you think I cam all this way?” ....”Be my hand”. Tyrion:”I don’t want to” Bran: “Well I don’t want to be King”. Huh? You just said literally 30 seconds ago that you came all that way to be King. Anyway....

Those two things bugged me the most. As has been mentioned....LOVED Brianee finishing Jaimie’s Knight entry, that was awesome. Liked the Fact Drogon is unaccounted for and that he toasted the Iron Throne.
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Post by: Chino on May 20, 2019, 06:45:09 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 06:43:31 AM

Those two things bugged me the most. As has been mentioned....LOVED Brianee finishing Jaimie’s Knight entry, that was awesome. Liked the Fact Drogon is unaccounted for and that he toasted the Iron Throne.

My first thought when she closed the book was "NO! You didn't let the ink dry!" :lol
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 07:02:07 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 06:43:31 AM
Bran being king honestly doesn’t fit the show. Tyrion: “Will you do it?” Bran: “Why do you think I cam all this way?” ....”Be my hand”. Tyrion:”I don’t want to” Bran: “Well I don’t want to be King”. Huh? You just said literally 30 seconds ago that you came all that way to be King. Anyway....

So I took that whole sequence as Bran being the 3 eyed Raven already knew of the outcome regarding the throne. That's why he made the trip. He didn't necessarily want it, but he KNEW it was inevitable.

Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 06:45:09 AM

My first thought when she closed the book was "NO! You didn't let the ink dry!" :lol
I was screaming the same thing to my wife... :lol
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Post by: Podaar on May 20, 2019, 07:02:20 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 06:45:09 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 06:43:31 AM

Those two things bugged me the most. As has been mentioned....LOVED Brianee finishing Jaimie’s Knight entry, that was awesome. Liked the Fact Drogon is unaccounted for and that he toasted the Iron Throne.

My first thought when she closed the book was "NO! You didn't let the ink dry!" :lol

Ha, I was concerned that she didn't blot and sand it, and said so to Mrs. P.
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Post by: Podaar on May 20, 2019, 07:07:59 AM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 07:02:07 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 06:43:31 AM
Bran being king honestly doesn’t fit the show. Tyrion: “Will you do it?” Bran: “Why do you think I cam all this way?” ....”Be my hand”. Tyrion:”I don’t want to” Bran: “Well I don’t want to be King”. Huh? You just said literally 30 seconds ago that you came all that way to be King. Anyway....

So I took that whole sequence as Bran being the 3 eyed Raven already knew of the outcome regarding the throne. That's why he made the trip. He didn't necessarily want it, but he KNEW it was inevitable.

Also, it dovetails nicely with Varys comment about maybe what the country needs is a reluctant King. Hey, he may not be the King they want, he's just the King they need.

*gets his coat*
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 20, 2019, 07:25:02 AM: Well I found myself pretty happy with it by the end, probably more so than I expected considering where we had reached in the season and what we had to get through in one episode.

There were some pretty saccharine moments towards the end, but to be honest that was probably required if we wanted to reach "bittersweet" after how grim and depressing the first half and previous episode were :lol Maybe if we'd been at the end of a perfectly executed final season arc that I felt could stand absolutely alone as a flawless capstone to the series, I would have said we could do without Samwell plopping down "A Song Of Ice And Fire" on the table and a comedic scene of the small council made up of good main characters. But since I think we needed more than just the last climax of the final season's storyline to give a satisfying finale to the whole series, I was happy enough with the latter half of the episode.

The grim, ominous atmosphere after the destruction was good. I loved Tyrion removing and throwing away his Hand pin (when the first shot of him looking around the city showed the pin prominently it struck me that it'd be reminiscent of Ned Stark if he did that). Tyrion and Jon's conversation in captivity was great. And I think Daenerys' death scene was very well done. I liked that Drogon chose to let Jon past to see her, since it was obviously a bit questionable why she would ever be unguarded after what happened.

Although I was ready for him to die in this episode, I was glad in the end that Tyrion survived. He had a lot of moving scenes. Even though it became a quite funny scene, I thought the shot of him looking at the chair for the Hand of the King, which felt like he was looking at Tywin's spot, was a quite subtle moving moment for him.

The very ending for the Stark children (Queen in the North, Beyond the Wall with Ghost, West of Westeros) was nice. Jon's and Sansa's ends felt a bit better built up to and sort of inevitable conclusions, where as Arya's felt a bit more of an abrupt turn (although she mentioned wondering what was West of Westeros before, unless I'm mixing that up with something that was in the books only). I suppose it works well for her though, being something that's neither just going around killing people (which episode 4-5 showed was pretty hollow for her although she felt like it was all she could do, until the Hound steered her away) but also is true to "that's not me" and doesn't have her become a more traditional lady of Westeros. Either way, that Stark ship was just really cool, so I'm fine with it for that unexpected bit of design.

Looking back on the whole season, obviously there are areas where the storyline could have used a bit more room to breathe and some things that could have been executed a bit better, but I think if I were to make one major change or improvement (something that helps the story we got, not "go away and do a completely different season!") it would be to get more of Bran's ability and how he can use it. I actually liked the portrayal of Bran, but we just didn't get that much of him. Either there should have been lots more opportunity for him to use his knowledge to affect other people, or we should have got some sequences of him actually using his sight this season. That would have made both his role as Night King bait and the decision for him to end up as King in Westeros more convincing. As it stands, in theory choosing the emotionless being who is capable of knowing or viewing anything to be the ruler makes some sense as an idea, but it felt like a big leap for the Lords to decide that without there being a more convincing reason than Tyrion's speech.

Oh, and damnit, Grey Worm didn't die! The event that I said before the episode would give me some cheap satisfcation :lol

But I do like Drogon's fate. I was in two minds before the episode, on one hand it felt as though Drogon would have to be killed for a good ending and I'd be pretty fine with him dying, but it would be pretty sad that it means the series ends with all the dragons (and the return of magic and wonder that they represent) being dead once again. Having him be left still out there but somewhat of a mystery was a good balance. It fits Drogon well to fly away like that, reminiscent of him being out in the wilds in season 5. Also reminds me of Balerion (Aegon the Conqueror's original dragon, the largest and oldest ever in Westeros), who at one point in Fire and Blood, after his riders were dead, flew off and disappeared for many years. It turned out he had disappeared back to Valyria, his original home. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where Drogon went with Daenerys - either that or out into the Dothraki sea where they were at the end of Season 5.
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Post by: Shooters1221 on May 20, 2019, 07:37:56 AM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 07:02:07 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 06:43:31 AM
Bran being king honestly doesn’t fit the show. Tyrion: “Will you do it?” Bran: “Why do you think I cam all this way?” ....”Be my hand”. Tyrion:”I don’t want to” Bran: “Well I don’t want to be King”. Huh? You just said literally 30 seconds ago that you came all that way to be King. Anyway....

So I took that whole sequence as Bran being the 3 eyed Raven already knew of the outcome regarding the throne. That's why he made the trip. He didn't necessarily want it, but he KNEW it was inevitable.

That’s exactly what I thought. Bran’s storyline through the series has always perplexed me but that’s what I got out of that particular exchange. Almost like what he told Jon later that he was where he was supposed to be...IDK.

LOVED the finale though!!
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 07:42:20 AM: I find it ironic that some of the folks pissing and moaning today at work about Bran are the same people yesterday pissing and moaning about how the show has lost it's surprise/shock factor over the past 2/3 seasons.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 20, 2019, 07:54:39 AM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 07:42:20 AM
I find it ironic that some of the folks pissing and moaning today at work about Bran are the same people yesterday pissing and moaning about how the show has lost it's surprise/shock factor over the past 2/3 seasons.

Well, I see where they're coming from honestly. Shock for shock's sake isn't all that compelling. Pros and cons...

Pros: objectively level-headed and reasonable, will never lose temper, cannot sire children therefore has no bloodline to favor, has no great ambitions other than to do what is "right", can quite literally see through history and hopefully avoid repeating it, potentially lives an unnaturally long life like the last Three-Eyed Raven therefore potentially brings a long era of peace??

Cons: he has no political experience, he is barely of adult age if even that, has literally never been south of the North, has to now rule over an entire continent, most of which probably has no idea what a greenseer or three-eyed raven is since those are things exclusive to the North and the Weirwoods

It's an interesting choice, that's for sure.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 07:54:55 AM: I was thinking, I was kind of confused by the whole azor ahai thing when the Night King died, but maybe that prophecy wasn't really all about the "ice" in this story, but it kind of turned out, the "fire" actually did more killing and ending that would be the bigger challenge. Maybe that was the prophecy after all.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2019, 08:00:08 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 20, 2019, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 07:42:20 AM
I find it ironic that some of the folks pissing and moaning today at work about Bran are the same people yesterday pissing and moaning about how the show has lost it's surprise/shock factor over the past 2/3 seasons.

Well, I see where they're coming from honestly. Shock for shock's sake isn't all that compelling. Pros and cons...

Pros: objectively level-headed and reasonable, will never lose temper, cannot sire children therefore has no bloodline to favor, has no great ambitions other than to do what is "right", can quite literally see through history and hopefully avoid repeating it, potentially lives an unnaturally long life like the last Three-Eyed Raven therefore potentially brings a long era of peace??

Cons: he has no political experience, he is barely of adult age if even that, has literally never been south of the North, has to now rule over an entire continent, most of which probably has no idea what a greenseer or three-eyed raven is since those are things exclusive to the North and the Weirwoods

It's an interesting choice, that's for sure.
It's a better resume than the vast majority of Targaryen kings.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 08:05:38 AM: Bran would be a great king, that totally makes sense to me. The guys got super powers and is all knowing and has no emotion or wants. How can that guy not rule? Also, the last small council scene (one of the best of the episode, also loved the Brienne writing Jaime's story) when Bran just let's the most loyal and smartest guys in Westeros deal with the day to day while he deals with the bigger but non real atm issue that none of them can do which is track down the dragon also shows this guy is a good king. Also, a true born Stark so he's got the blood, plus the ability to keep the North independent (although I thought that was a really odd choice to add this in since it just seemed awkward).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 08:05:58 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 20, 2019, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 07:42:20 AM
I find it ironic that some of the folks pissing and moaning today at work about Bran are the same people yesterday pissing and moaning about how the show has lost it's surprise/shock factor over the past 2/3 seasons.

Well, I see where they're coming from honestly. Shock for shock's sake isn't all that compelling. Pros and cons...

Pros: objectively level-headed and reasonable, will never lose temper, cannot sire children therefore has no bloodline to favor, has no great ambitions other than to do what is "right", can quite literally see through history and hopefully avoid repeating it, potentially lives an unnaturally long life like the last Three-Eyed Raven therefore potentially brings a long era of peace??

Cons: he has no political experience, he is barely of adult age if even that, has literally never been south of the North, has to now rule over an entire continent, most of which probably has no idea what a greenseer or three-eyed raven is since those are things exclusive to the North and the Weirwoods

It's an interesting choice, that's for sure.

I’m not ‘pissing and moaning’ about it. Bran being King is as good as any. Like has been mentioned....a bit more substance added to Brans storyline would have made it even more interesting and palpable. As with most all other storylines this season.....all reasonable and acceptable outcomes whose only issues are they simply ‘rushed’ and didn’t give them a proper marination.

We buy a half cow every year. It’s great. The meat is so good....no hormones or supplements just grass and corn fed cows. The butcher always asks us how we want our steaks cut. I usually get the T-Bones and Porter House steaks cut at 1” thick. It’s amazing. Now, we’re i to get them cut at say half inch or even 3/4” they’d taste just as good but ‘something’ would be missing. When you have a T Bone or Porter House you want to be impressed and experience it. This season is feels like a half inch cut T-Bone to me when it should have and could have been an inch cut. It was good and all but could have been so much better.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 08:10:19 AM: https://www.yahoo.com/news/fans-spotted-plastic-water-bottle-091755725.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fans-spotted-plastic-water-bottle-091755725.html)

:lol
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Post by: The Walrus on May 20, 2019, 08:11:48 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 08:05:58 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 20, 2019, 07:54:39 AM
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 07:42:20 AM
I find it ironic that some of the folks pissing and moaning today at work about Bran are the same people yesterday pissing and moaning about how the show has lost it's surprise/shock factor over the past 2/3 seasons.

Well, I see where they're coming from honestly. Shock for shock's sake isn't all that compelling. Pros and cons...

Pros: objectively level-headed and reasonable, will never lose temper, cannot sire children therefore has no bloodline to favor, has no great ambitions other than to do what is "right", can quite literally see through history and hopefully avoid repeating it, potentially lives an unnaturally long life like the last Three-Eyed Raven therefore potentially brings a long era of peace??

Cons: he has no political experience, he is barely of adult age if even that, has literally never been south of the North, has to now rule over an entire continent, most of which probably has no idea what a greenseer or three-eyed raven is since those are things exclusive to the North and the Weirwoods

It's an interesting choice, that's for sure.

I’m not ‘pissing and moaning’ about it. Bran being King is as good as any. Like has been mentioned....a bit more substance added to Brans storyline would have made it even more interesting and palpable. As with most all other storylines this season.....all reasonable and acceptable outcomes whose only issues are they simply ‘rushed’ and didn’t give them a proper marination.

We buy a half cow every year. It’s great. The meat is so good....no hormones or supplements just grass and corn fed cows. The butcher always asks us how we want our steaks cut. I usually get the T-Bones and Porter House steaks cut at 1” thick. It’s amazing. Now, we’re i to get them cut at say half inch or even 3/4” they’d taste just as good but ‘something’ would be missing. When you have a T Bone or Porter House you want to be impressed and experience it. This season is feels like a half inch cut T-Bone to me when it should have and could have been an inch cut. It was good and all but could have been so much better.

*stamps spear on ground in big approval*
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 08:17:59 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 08:05:58 AM

I’m not ‘pissing and moaning’ about it. Bran being King is as good as any. Like has been mentioned....a bit more substance added to Brans storyline would have made it even more interesting and palpable. As with most all other storylines this season.....all reasonable and acceptable outcomes whose only issues are they simply ‘rushed’ and didn’t give them a proper marination.

We buy a half cow every year. It’s great. The meat is so good....no hormones or supplements just grass and corn fed cows. The butcher always asks us how we want our steaks cut. I usually get the T-Bones and Porter House steaks cut at 1” thick. It’s amazing. Now, we’re i to get them cut at say half inch or even 3/4” they’d taste just as good but ‘something’ would be missing. When you have a T Bone or Porter House you want to be impressed and experience it. This season is feels like a half inch cut T-Bone to me when it should have and could have been an inch cut. It was good and all but could have been so much better.
I wasn't directing that at you Brotha. Talking about my co-workers ;D As far as the Bran back story this season I kind of understand why they downplayed his storyline a bit. If they built him up more I think they'd lose some of the shock/twist value. More people would have seen the twist coming.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 08:25:24 AM: Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 08:17:59 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 08:05:58 AM

I’m not ‘pissing and moaning’ about it. Bran being King is as good as any. Like has been mentioned....a bit more substance added to Brans storyline would have made it even more interesting and palpable. As with most all other storylines this season.....all reasonable and acceptable outcomes whose only issues are they simply ‘rushed’ and didn’t give them a proper marination.

We buy a half cow every year. It’s great. The meat is so good....no hormones or supplements just grass and corn fed cows. The butcher always asks us how we want our steaks cut. I usually get the T-Bones and Porter House steaks cut at 1” thick. It’s amazing. Now, we’re i to get them cut at say half inch or even 3/4” they’d taste just as good but ‘something’ would be missing. When you have a T Bone or Porter House you want to be impressed and experience it. This season is feels like a half inch cut T-Bone to me when it should have and could have been an inch cut. It was good and all but could have been so much better.
I wasn't directing that at you Brotha. Talking about my co-workers ;D As far as the Bran back story this season I kind of understand why they downplayed his storyline a bit. If they built him up more I think they'd lose some of the shock/twist value. More people would have seen the twist coming.

Oh man....it’s all good. I didn’t take it as a slight....I’m just one this morning in the camp of scratching my head on Bran. It makes sense and is a good call but just wish if that’s where they were going Bran there’d have been a few more scenes of Bran this season to add some meat to his story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 08:28:05 AM: So what about all this talk of "the lone wolf dies but the pack survives" and now all the Starks are alone? That's kind of odd
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2019, 08:30:21 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 08:28:05 AM
So what about all this talk of "the lone wolf dies but the pack survives" and now all the Starks are alone? That's kind of odd
The pack of Starks survived the struggle. It's over.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 08:32:49 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2019, 08:30:21 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 08:28:05 AM
So what about all this talk of "the lone wolf dies but the pack survives" and now all the Starks are alone? That's kind of odd
The pack of Starks survived the struggle. It's over.

Oh, that explains it. Thanks for the obvious :\ Clearly they didn't die and the world doesn't end. They weren't all united during the season either, just seems they were using a phrase to use it when necessary and it didn't have meaning.

Kind of surprised they all survived too and had happy endings essentially.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2019, 08:36:46 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 08:32:49 AM

Kind of surprised they all survived too and had happy endings essentially.

I am glad it worked out the way. The Starks took it on the chin for the bulk of the series; the remaining members of House Stark deserved a good ending.
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Post by: faizoff on May 20, 2019, 08:42:17 AM: The way the pendulum swung was essentially everything going right for the Lannisters in the beginning with the loss of Ned, Cat and Rob.. then it all ended well for the Starks with all but one Lannister gone.

I like gmillerdrakes take on it. It's the perfect analogy to the series and I just keep wanting for more even though I'm satisfied with how it ended.
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Post by: Chino on May 20, 2019, 08:54:43 AM: Okay. I actually kind of really hated the finale, for the most part. I hate jumping on the hate train, but soooo much stuff pissed me off. I've been trying to put it into words all morning and really just don't think I care enough at this point. I find myself getting irrationally upset. But I'll point out a few things that really pissed me off.

- Tyrion finding Jaime and Cersei. It looked like that entire mountain collapsed when we saw them die. Tyrion strolls in and they are buried under about 6" of rubble, and there are entire sections of the floor with no ceiling debris on them at all.

- The cabinet at the end. What the hell? Bron gets to be master of coin? Why? Brienne? Beside the fact that she took an oath and is supposed to be in the north protecting Sansa, she's now on that council for some reason? Davos, who can barely read, is correcting grammar? Did Sam just completely bail on the citadel? It's like the writers said "let's take everyone's favorite characters and just put them together. It doesn't need to make sense".

- Arya getting a boat and just heading west? It's almost like the writers had absolutely no idea what to do and literally just had her sail off into the sunset. She could just ask Bran what's to the west after the map ends.

- Banishing Jon to the night watch, a group of people in place to stop a threat that Jon already helped defeat?

- Grey worm is a fucking prick now and I hope his ship sinks. He and all his people are goners once they arrive in Naath (butterflies)

I'm just going to stop now because I can just go on and on. I don't want to hate this and tear it apart, but I feel like I can't help myself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 20, 2019, 08:55:57 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 17, 2019, 09:34:17 AM
I think it's unfair to call dissenters cry babies.
I wrote this somewhere else on the subject:
The fans dissenting on the current season are definitely NOT all bothered by the same things. I think they are divided into two different thoughts:
1. Fans who are not happy with the story, mostly they don't like the mad queen route. These are dumbasses IMHO, I have no problem with that story, it was my favorite fan theory before, but the double D's will successfully use these fans to deter objective criticism of the season. They will group them with legitimate dissenters and say "Oh everybody is just angry cause they didn't get the ending they wanted".
2. Fans who are not happy with how the story was told, the bad screen writing and horrible pacing which came as a byproduct of the double D's wanting to move on to other projects. These fans complaint is legitimate, there have been some terrible writing on seasons 7 & 8. HBO offered the double D's two full seasons to finish GoT, with that much time they could have portrayed Dany's decent to madness and gave it the merit it required to get to what happened in Kingslanding in the end. They laid virtually NO ground work for that on the show. In the novels, Dany is not as nice as she is at the show, at one point she ordered the torture of little girls for information when one of her servants was killed, but the show rarely gave us that side of her and when they did; it was always justified to make you sympathize with her. The novels have been preparing for the ending for a long time, it's a logical one for the narrative GRRM has created but it doesn't make sense on the show, it just feels like sloppy bad writing. The double D's have ruined this by being over-confident, arrogant and disrespectful to GRRM and the fans, I hope Disney takes notice and cancels their Star Wars contract with them because it's bound to be catastrophic for the franchise.

Agreed to some extent, given some dissenters are acting like cry babies.

I enjoyed thoroughly this last season, even with its flaws and perks (and there were quite a few) and I really don't have any issue with people expressing discontent regarding the new season because criticism is healthy, but I think the fandom has blown this out of proportion. I think the petition is dumb for a few reasons:
1) It's not happening. Not happening. Why would you invest time and energy into something that's basically just a statement of how these past couple of episodes haven been to the liking of the masses? True, it's a wide sentiment, but still it's not happening. Do people believe it's actually doable? It's not.
2) Entitlement of some fans is so incredibly out of proportion that they feel the ending should be fit to their own idea of how the series should end. True, the counterargument for this is easy: But it's not some fans, it's most of the fandom; and yeah, but even though people seem to forget that we as fans don't get to choose what the artists, or the producers, or the show runners or even GRRM do. We get to complain or express disagreement, sure, but demanding a "better" ending is something I really don't get.
3) We all have the ways we would've loved the series to end, and that's fine. If the series didn't end in a way that we feel like it was right and fitting and we criticize in all of our social media because that's what we do in 2019, that's fine as well; but even then we should just accept that it is what it is. That was the ending, that was the last season. Like it or not, it's not changing, and it shouldn't change. Should Dream Theater redo "The Astonishing" because a fair share of fans didn't like it? Hell, no. Just leave it be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 20, 2019, 09:01:51 AM: (https://preview.redd.it/hnrpwyf0edz21.jpg?width=513&auto=webp&s=18d174cd5745617d8f0c0378cc7dc69d106a0a7f)

:lol
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 20, 2019, 09:05:28 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 08:54:43 AM
- The cabinet at the end. What the hell? Bron get to be master of coin? Why? Brienne? Beside the fact that she took an oath and is supposed to be in the north protecting Sansa, she's now on that council for some reason? Davos, who can barely read, is correcting grammar? Did Sam just completely bail on the citadel?
Not trying to dispute your opinion but since you're talking about the questions raised by specific things and if they make sense, just some info on these two points:

Brienne was Commander of the Kingsguard (as shown by the armour and filling in the book about Jaime), and the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard traditionally is part of the small council (mentioned in Season 3), so that's why she is part of the council. I do think her not sticking with Sansa is a bit odd but considering it's Sansa's brother I can easily see her suggesting she become Kingsguard to him.

Sam was wearing the clothes of a maester, so seemed to have the role of Grand Maester (who traditionally sits on the small council, as seen with Pycelle). So he didn't bail on the Citadel, he is now in the role of basically being the link between the Citadel and King's Landing. Either he must have returned to complete his training or the Citadel just accepted that what he had done was enough to qualify as a maseter.

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- Grey worm is a fucking prick now and I hope his ship sinks.
Agreed. This is how I choose to see his voyage at the end :p :
(https://i.redd.it/lr0ijmo9cqq01.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on May 20, 2019, 09:08:07 AM: Fair points
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 09:08:14 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 08:54:43 AM
- Tyrion finding Jaime and Cersei. It looked like that entire mountain collapsed when we saw them die. Tyrion strolls in and they are buried under about 6" of rubble, and there are entire sections of the floor with no ceiling debris on them at all.

Yea, this seemed a bit odd to me too, but I'm not letting this detail ruins things for me but it did kind of look like if those two just stood 10 feet over they might have been fine :lol but it's not a big deal for me.

Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 08:54:43 AM
- The cabinet at the end. What the hell? Bron gets to be master of coin? Why? Brienne? Beside the fact that she took an oath and is supposed to be in the north protecting Sansa, she's now on that council for some reason? Davos, who can barely read, is correcting grammar? Did Sam just completely bail on the citadel? It's like the writers said "let's take everyone's favorite characters and just put them together. It doesn't need to make sense".

I really liked the small council. I thought Bronn made some sense, the guy is good at getting his money. Clearly he was paid his debt and I thought his story this season was really dumb, but him being there at the end works fine for me. He did have a good relationship with Tyrion which I'm sure went back to being BBF once he got paid. Brienne should have been with Sansa but maybe Sansa pardoned her of her oath? Brienne being Commander of the Kingsguard it a pretty awesome ending for her. I wish we got to see some sort of scene though explaining her oath. Samy didn't leave the citadel really. Looks like he is arch maester which means he's the head of all maesters, and therefore the Citadel too. He earned it and clearly was much more in tune with what's actually happening in Westeros than anyone else there.

Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 08:54:43 AM
- Arya getting a boat and just heading west? It's almost like the writers had absolutely no idea what to do and literally just had her sail off into the sunset. She could just ask Bran what's to the west after the map ends.

Yea, I guess instead of killing her to end her story which kind of came to the conclusion when she decided she didn't want to kill anymore they went this route. She's not a lady so settling down wasn't something for her. In the books, it is Euron who explores what's beyond the other side of the sea.

Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 08:54:43 AM
- Banishing Jon to the night watch, a group of people in place to stop a threat that Jon already help defeat?

Maybe I am wrong, but he just got banished to the wall but not really to the Night's Watch which I can't imagine still exists or would be a thing. Castle Black was manned by wildlings when we saw it so seems like he's really just going to live north of the wall with the free folk. Jon's punishment was really what he probably wanted all along.

Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 08:54:43 AM
- Grey worm is a fucking prick now and I hope his ship sinks.

Yea. I think Greyworm broke. The unsullied aren't supposed to have any emotion or affection. The fact he found some for Missandei is kind of amazing and showed he was human. Seeing her die changed him. He became full of emotion and rage. His character turned too with Dany.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 20, 2019, 09:27:09 AM: One of the only times I have ever found myself seething with rage while watching this show was when Grey Worm continued slitting the throats of surrendered Lannister soldiers after Jon walked away. I hope the butterflies swarm him.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 09:41:50 AM: ....and that scene of Drogon nudging a dead Danys body to get her to ‘wake up’ was emotional. It’s odd how I felt so bad for a computer generated character. Kudos to the CGI crew on his character in this show. From him rescuing Dany in the fitting pits of Mereen to roasting the Lannister army....he truly was an awesome character and it’s bittersweet that he’s now free to roam yet if he’s capable of love...all he’s loved is gone.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2019, 10:02:30 AM: Yep, it is hard to believe you could get emotional over a dragon, but there it is. The scene where Danny trades Drogon for the Unsullied (before turning the tables and taking him back a minute later) is sad to watch, as you can hear the dragon crying as she walks away.
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Post by: Chino on May 20, 2019, 10:32:18 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
....and that scene of Drogon nudging a dead Danys body to get her to ‘wake up’ was emotional. It’s odd how I felt so bad for a computer generated character. Kudos to the CGI crew on his character in this show. From him rescuing Dany in the fitting pits of Mereen to roasting the Lannister army....he truly was an awesome character and it’s bittersweet that he’s now free to roam yet if he’s capable of love...all he’s loved is gone.

I really liked that scene, but I could have done without the throne burning. I get the symbology of it, but odds are that dragon wouldn't have understood to any degree what that thing represented.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2019, 11:37:19 AM: Nah, dragons are smarter than people.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 12:14:29 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
....and that scene of Drogon nudging a dead Danys body to get her to ‘wake up’ was emotional. It’s odd how I felt so bad for a computer generated character. Kudos to the CGI crew on his character in this show. From him rescuing Dany in the fitting pits of Mereen to roasting the Lannister army....he truly was an awesome character and it’s bittersweet that he’s now free to roam yet if he’s capable of love...all he’s loved is gone.

I really liked that scene, but I could have done without the throne burning. I get the symbology of it, but odds are that dragon wouldn't have understood to any degree what that thing represented.

I’m glad the throne burned. That action right there gained me (4) pts in our office pool and I won 58 pts to 55. $140 :metal
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 12:16:05 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 20, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
....and that scene of Drogon nudging a dead Danys body to get her to ‘wake up’ was emotional. It’s odd how I felt so bad for a computer generated character. Kudos to the CGI crew on his character in this show. From him rescuing Dany in the fitting pits of Mereen to roasting the Lannister army....he truly was an awesome character and it’s bittersweet that he’s now free to roam yet if he’s capable of love...all he’s loved is gone.

I really liked that scene, but I could have done without the throne burning. I get the symbology of it, but odds are that dragon wouldn't have understood to any degree what that thing represented.

But seriously, i doubt Drogon knew what he was doing. He was pissed and upset about Dany dying but also knew he couldn’t roast the Targaryen. So, he picked the only thing in the room and laid waste to it.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 12:19:47 PM: It was a shiny object still standing after Drogon destroyed everything else and maybe was smart enough to understand some importance not only to the throne itself, but to why Dany died. And maybe had it been anyone else besides Jon, Drogon would have taken his anger out on that person but Jon being a targ I guess saved him from that.

Anyway with no more throne and a king who uses a wheel chair, this seems like it could be the next iteration:

(https://i.imgur.com/rqWn5Fz.jpg)
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Post by: New World Rushman on May 20, 2019, 12:32:38 PM: I didn't question Drogon's understanding of what the Iron Throne symbolized. In some fantasy worlds, dragons are depicted as highly intelligent beings. Some even with the ability to speak.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Samsara on May 20, 2019, 01:26:48 PM: Quote from: New World Rushman on May 20, 2019, 12:32:38 PM
I didn't question Drogon's understanding of what the Iron Throne symbolized. In some fantasy worlds, dragons are depicted as highly intelligent beings. Some even with the ability to speak.

Agreed. Drogon was extremely intelligent. He knew who Jon Snow was, obviously, and wouldn't attack him. It's not like its a pet dog. The dragon was loyal, but intelligent enough to know what was going on. Burning the throne was honestly very in-line with what I expected from Drogon. A symbolic outburst for the ages.

The complaints regarding the final episode are just that -- complaining. I get some of the logical reasons for some people not liking how things turned out. I didn't *like* that Bran became king, but it made perfect sense. I thought the ending with Jon was perfect too. He got what he truly wanted. As did Tyrion, as did Sansa and Arya. It wasn't in the *way* many of us probably envisioned, but we got there. I felt the whole season was one red herring after another, keeping in tradition with the show.

The only head-scratcher for me was Tyrion not being executed on the spot by Dany. I get they needed to delay it to make their story work, but given Dany's past executions, that was odd. But obviously we knew why a few minutes later....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Elite on May 20, 2019, 01:28:42 PM: I feel like after this finale a lot of stuff went unanswered and also quite a lot of "it" (being the entire story to some extent) either doesn't make sense or was just downright pointless.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Pettor on May 20, 2019, 01:43:09 PM: Oh my. Not even sure what to write really. I have been in love with GOT since it's start and got invested in the books etc. George RR Martin is an exceptional writer and the GOT books are some of the best fantasy I have read. The TV-series has been fantastic and is the first true fantastic fantasy on screen since LOTR for me. Just exceptional and in a completely other direction. Somehow they managed to put the exceptional writing of GRRM onto the screen. I don't care about GOT having unexpected turns, that is not why I love it. I love the world and how it's a type of fantasy I seldom see. One where politics exists but still giving it sparks using fantasy elements.

I am one of the people that thought the show has gone in a clearly worse direction ever since the book material couldn't be used as a direction for the show. Season 7 irritated the guts out of me and the show went to become a much more traditional fantasy series, not really in the vein of the GRRM books anymore. There just wasn't time for the world anymore and so we had to follow the heroes and a simpler path.

Season 8 has been hit and miss for me. Battle of Winterfell kinda shows how just fantastic the show can look but at the same time have highly frustrating writing. The Bells episode was actually more to my liking and just choosing to look at the episode in isolation I think the story worked well. Still the feeling that the show had about 20 characters to do something with and just revealed a plot twist of the magnitude that should be given several episodes just to digest wasn't the best foreshadowing for me. How could they ever sum it up with 1h and 20m.

This episode just didn't do anything right for me. I get that it's insanely hard to end this show and I really don't want to see it from the negative side, but I would be lying if I said anything was satisfying for me. If it wasn't for the fantastic visuals of the show anyone could easily have tricked me that this episode was from a fantasy b-series that tried to use the GOT hype to get viewers.

I thought the direction was completely off. It was feeling like amateur theater instead of anything Shakespearean like that GOT kinda got known for at it's high. I am not even that irritated about the story. I was getting used to illogical things and how the TV-series stopped giving a damn about the universe it was located in since some seasons ago.

It was goofy, quick and simple. And it really didn't need to be. The GOT world is dirty, hardly working and complex. End it with a small notion of progress within a world that's hardly gonna change anytime soon. I just can't stand all this goofy character jokes about suggesting democracy as the new ruling method. Or how the new rulers happily discussed brothels with the new goofy crew without even understanding who the hell they rule for (everyone outside is dead ...). There was nothing I actually believed in the episode.

They went for a LOTR ending without the hits and emotions that LOTR managed to deliver. There is nothing remarkable about the LOTR ending from a story point of view, and it's the ending of a book trilogy with much simpler ideas. But the LOTR ending has impact and a great way to end and say goodbye to the big journey. I always feel like I did witness the exhausting trilogy and can say a small goodbye to the world when it ends. I am sad I can't feel that with GOT. Not even having a character I like anymore at the end is such a pity. It was full of great casting and characters.

I am happy it's over since it just wasn't the same show. They didn't drag it out either, one could even argue the opposite. I just hope the books will end up with an ending that is good enough to make me get the same reward of reading the end of LOTR or any other great fantasy series. GRRM is exceptional writer and I believe he will do that.

Needed to write this of my mind and couldn't find anywhere else to put it. In Sweden we can't discuss it until tomorrow you see. I am not trying to let down the ones that liked it. Good for you and hope it stays that way!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 01:50:01 PM: Why did the show runners say that the lights going out at the battle of winterfell was essentially the end of the dothraki yet one of the last shots of the show was them essentially taking over as the common folk of Kings Landing. Like, that's fine, but why did they make it first look like they all died, the show runners said they were over, and then we saw them again before the attack on kings landing so we knew they werent all gone, but also they are now the residents of the capitol. They clearly aren't over as a group of people. Kind of interesting to think what King's Landing looks like in the future.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 20, 2019, 01:53:51 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 01:50:01 PM
Why did the show runners say that the lights going out at the battle of winterfell was essentially the end of the dothraki yet one of the last shots of the show was them essentially taking over as the common folk of Kings Landing. Like, that's fine, but why did they make it first look like they all died, the show runners said they were over, and then we saw them again before the attack on kings landing so we knew they werent all gone, but also they are now the residents of the capitol. They clearly aren't over as a group of people. Kind of interesting to think what King's Landing looks like in the future.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. It was like all of a sudden, she barely lost any. And wouldn't they just run wild after her death and start pillaging and plundering westeros? Are they really gonna listen to the Unsullied?

And I would have just waited for the Unsullied to sail away and the be like "hey jon, you are pardoned, come on back"

And when the council suggested the Unsullied take the Reach and start a house of their own. What? A house of one generation? They can't reproduce, lol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Elite on May 20, 2019, 02:05:28 PM: How about Bran suggesting they need a master of whispers when he can see everything! What the hell :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 02:11:47 PM: Quote from: Elite on May 20, 2019, 02:05:28 PM
How about Bran suggesting they need a master of whispers when he can see everything! What the hell :lol

I couldn't tell if that was a joke :lol

Also, does anyone else think a lot of the open ended endings could have been done so there's open room for sequels following maybe someone's path specifically. Such as a Jon in the North or Arya to the west type of show. I know the prequel is in the works and HBO was apparently looking into other options before so maybe they also would consider doing a sequel type in some time? Seems like a long shot, but also seems like the story unfolded to leave those possibilities.

Also, just finished watching Talk the Thrones and they mentioned how after Drogon left with Dany's dead body, that was essentially the end. I kind of agree and like it like that, all the rest is just some extra filler for us fans to feel like everyone else got a happy ending, but the true ending of the story is Jon killing Dany and the Iron Throne is melted so it is no more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 20, 2019, 02:14:20 PM: I'm guessing she was hiding forces? She goes from this:

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/69/08/98/6908981675bf888e260f42c86aa8edef.jpg)

to this??

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/UZFo8l5o_v97j3tOAJUTgKwUGXk=/0x0:3733x2100/1200x800/filters:focal(1569x752:2165x1348)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/63853507/48640b3d30e619eed8f4f7abc6a01be6e8844ba8df004006a7004c68c991ff6ec6941a9284018268ded355cebf82bfb5.0.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 20, 2019, 02:14:36 PM: Something I totally forgot about after the first 10 minutes of the episode... the end of episode 5 showed the entire keep's basement crumbling around Cersei and Jaime, archways and all... HOW TF are the archways intact again in episode 6, with TONS of clear walking room for Tyrion!? Argh. Best not to even think about it at this point...

Phoenix, that's just a small entourage accompanying her to the (attempted) parlay with Cersei, not her full army. Although the numbers are baffling by episode 6.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 02:38:03 PM: Yea, the number game doesnt add up, but that picture isn't fair either since it was just a small group going in for talks, not the whole army. I think there was a shot of the armies in episode 5 outside the walls and they looked much bigger.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Samsara on May 20, 2019, 02:57:28 PM: Quote from: Pettor on May 20, 2019, 01:43:09 PM

I am one of the people that thought the show has gone in a clearly worse direction ever since the book material couldn't be used as a direction for the show.

I am with you on that. If I recall correctly, George R.R. Martin told the writers basically what he (at the time) envisioned the outcome (which probably has changed four or five times in his head by now, since he hasn't actually written it). So they (the writers) pretty much had artistic license to do what they wanted to get to that point. And unfortunately, it wasn't nearly as good without the level of detail Martin had provided with the books.

Great series overall, and I'm glad to have watched it. But I'm more looking forward to the final books, at some point before we all die, so we can see how George wanted things to go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 20, 2019, 03:16:30 PM: Late at night here and I'll coment more tomorrow, very quick fresh off the episode judgement: it does not solve all the seasons' problems, but given where the story was, it was the best possible finale we could realistically get. Not perfect, but I am satisfied.

But right now, allow me some melodrama.

Tonight we saw the final episode of Game of Thrones.
It came to us in 2011, another fantasy show based on a books series not unknown, but neither famous as The Lord of the Rings was.
It grew into a worldwide phenomenon, with its first 4 seasons acclaimed and praised to no end.
From season 5 onwards, no longer following source material, some fans criticized the story and the writing, but the cinematography, the music, the efforts of the actors and everyone involved remained always stellar.
We shall never see the likes of this show again.

And now our watch has ended.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 03:19:31 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 20, 2019, 03:16:30 PM

But right now, allow me some melodrama.

Tonight we saw the final episode of Game of Thrones.
It came to us in 2011, another fantasy show based on a books series not unknown, but neither famous as The Lord of the Rings was.
It grew into a worldwide phenomenon, with its first 4 seasons acclaimed and praised to no end.
From season 5 onwards, no longer following source material, some fans criticized the story and the writing, but the cinematography, the music, the efforts of the actors and everyone involved remained always stellar.
We shall never see the likes of this show again.

And now our watch has ended.
:metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 20, 2019, 03:42:30 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 20, 2019, 03:16:30 PM

And now our watch has ended.

:yarr

Probably surpassed Lost as my all time favorite show. A rushed ending is better than a shit ending, I don't think this season was garbage, it was just paced too fast so all the detailed plots we were used to were rushed and therefore at times didn't always make sense, but the story overall was good and the closer and ending was surprisingly happy from my perspective when we had a lot of terrible stuff happen during the show. They managed to tie up enough of the story from the TV perspective pretty well. All the extra stuff in the book, even stuff that the show may have hinted at, is well, just extra stuff left for GRRM to figure out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on May 20, 2019, 04:53:53 PM: As a lurker of the thread these past few months and someone who's only crammed and binged the entire series for a similar length of time, and not one who's been around since the show's beginning, I'd like to ask: what do you all think of the immense backlash this finale seems to have garnered? I was surprised to see the reaction to it on this forum was much more positive than on other corners of the web.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2019, 05:23:27 PM: Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on May 20, 2019, 04:53:53 PM
As a lurker of the thread these past few months and someone who's only crammed and binged the entire series for a similar length of time, and not one who's been around since the show's beginning, I'd like to ask: what do you all think of the immense backlash this finale seems to have garnered? I was surprised to see the reaction to it on this forum was much more positive than on other corners of the web.

People love to complain. The last scene was not perfect, and I think there are plenty of valid criticisms, but these cries of it being terrible/awful/etc. are just ridiculous. It happens so much on the internet these days, where criticism catches on like wildfire and spirals out of control.

No offense to anyone, but if you (the general "you") are a fan of this show and weren't moved at all by the last five minutes last night, with that gorgeous score by Ramin Djawadi, I would have to ask what is the matter with you.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 20, 2019, 05:34:46 PM: MP chimed in as well on the finale and was taken aback as well by the intense backlash and low rating of the episode on IMDB. I am now waiting for the documentary next weekend and the eventual boxset. The show may have not ended on a high note with a flawless execution but I'm still happy with what we have.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 20, 2019, 05:48:16 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 20, 2019, 05:23:27 PM

People love to complain. The last scene was not perfect, and I think there are plenty of valid criticisms, but these cries of it being terrible/awful/etc. are just ridiculous. It happens so much on the internet these days, where criticism catches on like wildfire and spirals out of control.

No offense to anyone, but if you (the general "you") are a fan of this show and weren't moved at all by the last five minutes last night, with that gorgeous score by Ramin Djawadi, I would have to ask what is the matter with you.
Well said Kev... Life is too frikken short to dwell on the negatives. Or to micro dissect something that is entertaining and meant to be enjoyed. Sometimes the internet is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 20, 2019, 07:27:03 PM: Big finales always seem to be treated as exaggeratedly good or exaggeratedly bad. Probably even more so in today's pop culture ecosystem where the connectedness through the internet and social media pushes reception of things to be pretty binary: either something's amazing or utter shit.

Also I feel the damage was already done earlier in the series rather than the final episode. Both in terms of quality decline and storyline choices, and in terms of the momentum of the fanbase attitude. To be honest I don't see any way that finale alone could have won many people back over; it had to conclude the controversial plot that previous episodes had started on, and it had to put the final stamp on a saga so huge that the original creator has found it unfinishable. All that presenting it to an audience that has (largely) already turned on and lost its goodwill towards the show, with a waiting social media that knows that maximum "engagement" will likely come through memes catering to that audience. I'm not saying that quality or nature of the finale didn't matter, but with those variables it was just a question of how much it could limit the inevitable negativity rather than avoid it.

Plus, a story like Game Of Thrones with so many competing protagonists lacks the same obvious "end states" as some other stories. Series with a clear central character usually have an obvious question about the fate of that character, and the audience can usually guess which options are on the table for a series finale (OK, often it boils down to "do they die?"). Big fantasy series usually have a clear end result the protagonists are aiming for, and it's just about what it costs to get there. With Game Of Thrones, there were more possible end states (in simplistic terms). That means it's going to lose a lot more of the audience (or face an uphill battle) based on storyline choices alone, before even considering the execution. A finale where Daenerys becomes a somewhat villainous figure and is killed is always going to be controversial and divisive, even if it had the subtlest, most nuanced writing since GRRM last published a Winds of Winter sample chapter.

Personally I'd be more curious how someone who binged the series recently feels about the ending. Do you notice the huge difference or decline in the seasons that many online do? Does Season 8 seem obviously far below everything else in the show if you watch it all close together?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2019, 07:49:38 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 20, 2019, 07:27:03 PM

Personally I'd be more curious how someone who binged the series recently feels about the ending. Do you notice the huge difference or decline in the seasons that many online do? Does Season 8 seem obviously far below everything else in the show if you watch it all close together?

As a recent binger - I didn't start the series till last year, put it on hold for a bit, and then got back into it early this year, and caught up in time for the final season - it didn't feel to me like the drop-off was as severe as others do. Sure, the first four seasons were the best, but 5-8 were all still really good, for the most part. My interest never wavered. I certainly agree that this last season would have been best had it been 10 episodes where certain things could have been fleshed out a bit more, but even though Bran got the crown, last night really felt like Sansa, Arya and Jon were the true winners, albeit in a bittersweet way, which is why they were the focus of the final segment. All hail House Stark! :tup :tup
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 21, 2019, 01:19:44 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 20, 2019, 07:27:03 PM
To be honest I don't see any way that finale alone could have won many people back over; it had to conclude the controversial plot that previous episodes had started on, and it had to put the final stamp on a saga so huge that the original creator has found it unfinishable.

Well, it won me back over. It was unrealistic to expect a complete 180° turn, but given where the story was, I think they ended in the best possible and realistic way, giving closure to many characters.

Some random thought:

- Wonderful scene of the aftermath of the carnage with Tyrion walking in King's Landing's ruins.

- Speaking of Tyrion, they finally redeemed his character by giving him awesome moments: his witnessing of the destruction, the finding of his siblings, him tossing away the Hand pin like a boss, the wonderful speech to Jon, and of course proposing Bran for king.

- More on those two final points: the "Everywhere she went, she killed evil men and we cheered her for it" was awesome. With a more detailed, paced out, and nuanced story, it would have been a very poignant moment, to make us all reflect on which kind of character we were all rooting for all these years. Too bad it was made too simple, "she loses a dragon and Missandei in one episode, she sees the Red Keep and snaps for reasons, didn't you hear the voicover at the beginning with all that stuff about the coin flipped and the crazy Targaryen blah blah blah".

- I like the choice of Bran, in a simplicistic, "Well, what the hell do we have to lose anyway at this point" kind of way. Really, everyone died, the capital's destroyed, good luck finding a proper claimant to the throne, might as well start over and change the system - break the wheel as Dany wanted.

- Jon totally pulled a Ramsay on Dany, "Let me hug you so I can kill you". Roose Bolton sends his regards.

- Drogon calling for mommy.... AWWWWWW :'( "If mommy doesn't get the chair, no one will", good job in melting the Iron Throne and it was poetic that he flies away with mommy. Poor Dany, she didn't even place her butt on the throne, you're there, try it out at least once girl!

- LOL at the final council with the actors brought out just to play one more time a non talking Robin and a sadly talking Edmure.... Sansa shutting him up was funny :lol and random tanned dude in a golden robe just to prove that Dorne was still there somehow?

- Epic closure for the Stark siblings. The scenes of all of them meeting their final fates was glorious and as nice as it could get.

What to make of this finale? it was not perfect, for example it's unbelieavable that Jon wasn't dismembered on the spot after he killed Dany, and his Targaryen heritage meant nothing whatsover - he could have been just Ned Stark's bastard for real, and his story would have been exactly the same. The small council is made up of fan favorite characters who get a sitcom ending of "Well, life goes back to normal", maybe that was a bit too much on the nose. And I'm sure people can point out many other things that make no sense, and I'm equally sure I'll eventually agree with them.

Still, as RuRoRol said, it was one hell of a complex ending that they had to achieve, and overall I think they managed to do justice to the story. Many characters got closure and we have a sense of the main story ending. The incredibly rushed season could have not been saved by the finale, but it was a good finale, it made overall sense and as I said gave closure, and it leaves a nice taste in the mouth, it's no Dexter as a lumberjack, not at all. I'm satisfied with it and I can look forward to an eventual rewatch, after the heat of the delusion for some of the choices will have cooled down, knowing that the ending is nice and coherent and gives a sense of conclusion.

Oh, and what's "West of Westeros"? I decide that west of Westeros you find East of Middle Earth. Arya will eventually reach the lands east of Mordor and will make her way to Gondor and hang out with Aragorn and will eventually go around Middle Earth and visit the Hobbits in the Shire, AND NO ONE WILL EVER CONVINCE ME OF THE CONTRARY :metal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Shooters1221 on May 21, 2019, 01:22:50 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 20, 2019, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: RuRoRul on May 20, 2019, 07:27:03 PM

Personally I'd be more curious how someone who binged the series recently feels about the ending. Do you notice the huge difference or decline in the seasons that many online do? Does Season 8 seem obviously far below everything else in the show if you watch it all close together?

As a recent binger - I didn't start the series till last year, put it on hold for a bit, and then got back into it early this year, and caught up in time for the final season - it didn't feel to me like the drop-off was as severe as others do. Sure, the first four seasons were the best, but 5-8 were all still really good, for the most part. My interest never wavered. I certainly agree that this last season would have been best had it been 10 episodes where certain things could have been fleshed out a bit more, but even though Bran got the crown, last night really felt like Sansa, Arya and Jon were the true winners, albeit in a bittersweet way, which is why they were the focus of the final segment. All hail House Stark! :tup :tup
Pretty much nailed it for me too. I did not ever read any of the books, I watched from day1 but new I had some time off and recoup time coming up so I decided to go ahead and hit every ep. from start on March 29th and barely made it. It was strange seeing Ned again and Bran & Arya so so young just a few weeks ago and I really didn't realize how much of the entire show was laid out in season 1 alone.
Gosh, when your caught up in that world condensed in to a few weeks I really had withdrawal when Season 8 started and had to wait a week. I really did enjoy the final season and am still wanting more but knew it had to end. I wish they would have stretched it out a bit to add more details when buttoning some of the story lines up but no major complaints here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 07:45:44 AM: (https://i.imgur.com/CyBT6t9.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 07:58:59 AM: GRRM wrote a blog post (http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/)offering his thoughts on the completion of the show (not the finale or season itself). He writes a bit about the remaining books as well, this is the relevant part.

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And I’m writing. Winter is coming, I told you, long ago… and so it is. THE WINDS OF WINTER is very late, I know, I know, but it will be done. I won’t say when, I’ve tried that before, only to burn you all and jinx myself… but I will finish it, and then will come A DREAM OF SPRING.

How will it all end? I hear people asking. The same ending as the show? Different?

Well… yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes.

I am working in a very different medium than David and Dan, never forget. They had six hours for this final season. I expect these last two books of mine will fill 3000 manuscript pages between them before I’m done… and if more pages and chapters and scenes are needed, I’ll add them. And of course the butterfly effect will be at work as well; those of you who follow this Not A Blog will know that I’ve been talking about that since season one. There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet. And yes, there will be unicorns… of a sort…

Book or show, which will be the “real” ending? It’s a silly question. How many children did Scarlett O’Hara have?

How about this? I’ll write it. You read it. Then everyone can make up their own mind, and argue about it on the internet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 21, 2019, 08:00:36 AM: Quote from: ariich on May 14, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 14, 2019, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 14, 2019, 07:53:08 AM
They will quote "If you think this ends well, you haven't been paying attention", because apparently a throwaway delusional Ramsay quote is now the heart of this show.
Mora, I adore you and your passion, but this is where you lose me. I think that Ned Stark, Catelyn Stark, Rob Stark and his wife Talisa and his army, Hodor, Oberyn Martel, Myrcella Baratheon, Khal Drogo, Yoren, Renly Baratheon, Jeor Mormont, Rickon Stark, Margaery Tyrell, among others, would take exception. It's ALWAYS been the heart of the show. There was never going to be a "happily ever after".
It's also always been at the heart of the books and pretty much everything that GRRM has said about them.

And yeah I've also been loving your observations and insights Mora (whether I agree or not) but similarly there's the odd point that I just don't really understand.
Oh, I'm late for this discussion, but I just wanna say that I am fully aware that the books contain a lot of deaths and a lot of what you expect to happen won't happen, but that's because it grows organically out of the character choices. The showrunners and fans want to pretend people have disliked this because they want a happy ending - when in fact, the last season of the show contained a lot of unneccessary fan service. All the secondary characters that survived the Battle for Winterfell just so that they could sit on Bran's council, for starters. GRRM would have killed half of them off. Sansa shushing her uncle so the Starks can have a happy ending, when the last time the Starks ignored minor characters' wishes ended in the Red Wedding. Dany's army and dragon conveniently dropping off the face of the earth. Sam conveniently remaining on his post with his wife/GF and baby, instead of going back to the apparently not yet defunct Night's Watch. Tyrion being rewarded with his dream job after he ended his exceptionally bad council job for Dany by committing treason. Et cetera. There's loads of happy endings that don't make sense, so I don't think I am unreasonable in asking the show to have an overarching theme other than "well lol some people die when you don't want them to that's life I guess".

In fact, this kind of is my happy ending! I'm a Stark gal. The more Stark power, the better. I realized either Dany or Jon would die, because they can't both exist simultaneously. Wasn't holding out for full Targ restoration. I wanted Jon's Targ roots to be known and influence the story, but I never wanted him to be king. Bran as King is a compelling storyline (https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bqwy1a/spoilers_extended_how_brans_chapter_sets_up_a_far/). Always wanted to see Tyrion survive his siblings. The only thing I really wanted and didn't get was a neat resolution of the northern ice magic storyline. I should be perfectly happy with this but I am not.

Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 20, 2019, 01:53:51 PM
And I would have just waited for the Unsullied to sail away and the be like "hey jon, you are pardoned, come on back"
To be fair, Jon being exiled works because in order for this elective king shit to work, you can't have the descendents of the lawful son of Rhaegar running around and making attempts to claim the throne for themselves. Then again, the situation at the end of the show will only last for about three months until Dorne secedes, Bronn sinks the treasury and goes off threatening whomever he wants to get whatever he wants and Daario hears news of Dany's death and sails to wage a vengeful war against all of Westeros :\
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2019, 08:10:29 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 21, 2019, 01:19:44 AM
Quote from: RuRoRul on May 20, 2019, 07:27:03 PM
To be honest I don't see any way that finale alone could have won many people back over; it had to conclude the controversial plot that previous episodes had started on, and it had to put the final stamp on a saga so huge that the original creator has found it unfinishable.

Well, it won me back over. It was unrealistic to expect a complete 180° turn, but given where the story was, I think they ended in the best possible and realistic way, giving closure to many characters.

I wouldn't say it "won me back over" but it definitely was satisfying for me even after my complaints this season. Once I accepted this season was going to feel rushed, I enjoyed it much more and was able to really just enjoy and accept the ending. I enjoyed the last 3 episodes of this seasons and thought it was a solid ending. They could and probably should have given more time to make this extraordinary like this show was for a long time, but they didn't and so be it, but it was still enjoyable.
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Post by: Nick on May 21, 2019, 08:27:02 AM: Quote
How about this? I’ll write it. You read it. Then everyone can make up their own mind, and argue about it on the internet.
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That's fantastic. :lol
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Post by: Samsara on May 21, 2019, 08:52:04 AM: :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 09:05:47 AM: After a bit to reflect...I would say that I'm perfectly fine with everything that has happened in this final season....my only real hang up is that the 'rushing' through the story the past two season had an obvious effect on how well they told that story. All of the outcomes and the way it ended are perfectly acceptable and in line with how the story was unfolding...it's just that nagging emotion of 'what if' they'd had say 4-6 more episodes to allow those storylines to build and mature a bit more.

But, that being said....this is easily one of...if not 'the' top series that has been undertook thus far in television history. It was so well done for so long that for me at least....the issues I had/have with the final two seasons do nothing to diminish the credibility of the actors, writers, directors....all who were associated with it. What this show has given to me as far as entertainment and pure enjoyment far outweighs and exceeds any misgivings.
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Post by: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 09:11:18 AM: I had the exact same thoughts this morning, I rewatched the final two scenes of the finale and they are the absolute perfect way to end it IMO. I'm very glad it ended on a 'uplifting' note for the Starks. The music in this season has been nothing short of phenomenal. I've been listening to the soundtrack on repeat since it was released yesterday.

I must've listened to the track The Night King a million times already since they released it right after the 'The Long Night' episode aired.

I'm going to do a full rewatch of the season soon and I have a feeling I will be very pleased with all of it apart from the 'rushing' aspect.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2019, 09:13:46 AM: I'd care more about GRRM's quote if I knew for a fact he would finish the books before he or I die.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 21, 2019, 09:14:21 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 09:11:18 AM
I must've listened to the track The Night King a million times already since they released it right after the 'The Long Night' episode aired.

I still think that Light of the Seven is the best music of the entire series, but The Night King comes in second. Brilliant piece, it really gave the sense of "the world is about to end" when those scenes were playing out.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2019, 09:32:58 AM: I ran to iTunes last night and immediately bought the two songs that ended the show, The Last of the Starks and A Song of Ice and Fire. Amazing stuff. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Post by: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 09:38:52 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 21, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 09:11:18 AM
I must've listened to the track The Night King a million times already since they released it right after the 'The Long Night' episode aired.

I still think that Light of the Seven is the best music of the entire series, but The Night King comes in second. Brilliant piece, it really gave the sense of "the world is about to end" when those scenes were playing out.

Light of the Seven will always be my favorite track of the entire series as well and you are right The Night King comes second for me as well. I must've watched the last 10 mins of that scene like 50 times.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 09:43:42 AM: Quote from: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 09:11:18 AM
I'm going to do a full rewatch of the season soon and I have a feeling I will be very pleased with all of it apart from the 'rushing' aspect.

my wife is a teacher...so she gets summers off. She has a trip planned with her and the boys coming up. I'm planning on a full season 8 one sitting binge when they're out of the house :lol
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Post by: Grappler on May 21, 2019, 10:11:15 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 21, 2019, 09:32:58 AM
I ran to iTunes last night and immediately bought the two songs that ended the show, The Last of the Starks and A Song of Ice and Fire. Amazing stuff. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

I started getting goosebumps when the music evolved into a version of the main theme at the end - that was just so epic.

One thing you can't complain about is the music in this series. It is completely phenomenal and I'm glad that they created the GOT live concert with Ramin conducting an orchestra, so they can feature it.
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Post by: Mladen on May 21, 2019, 12:01:46 PM: I thought the ending was solid. It's too bad I was aware of predictions and speculations, so Jon killing Dany didn't come off as a shock. The iron throne burning down and Bran becoming a king of a completely new regime, however, was surprising and very cool. Tyrion was the highlight of the episode for me. It's great that my favorite character stayed alive up to the very end of the series, as well as Sam and Arya.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 21, 2019, 12:12:05 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 21, 2019, 01:19:44 AM
Oh, and what's "West of Westeros"?
Westereros.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:16:12 PM: Anyone else see/read where there's a bit of internet chatter for them to make a show that follows Arya on her journey? I'd just rather leave it as is.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 21, 2019, 12:22:26 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:16:12 PM
Anyone else see/read where there's a bit of internet chatter for them to make a show that follows Arya on her journey? I'd just rather leave it as is.

I'm with you there. I don't want to see any "post-GoT" shows or books. Prequels, I'm only really interested in watching Robert's Rebellion, too.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2019, 12:30:03 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:16:12 PM
Anyone else see/read where there's a bit of internet chatter for them to make a show that follows Arya on her journey? I'd just rather leave it as is.

I didn't see this but thought the show left many stories in a way they could lead to sequals following certain characters. I don't really need it or care for it necessarily though.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 21, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 21, 2019, 01:19:44 AM
Oh, and what's "West of Westeros"?
Westereros.

Well if we assume their world is round and fully discovered, then it would be Essos. I think it's highly possible Essos is just on the other side but the maps we see in the books don't really make that 100% a fact there is isn't more.

Maps like this one dont show an end point on the far east

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--z7w4zWqq--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_900,q_80,w_1600/17g0p2fj81smnjpg.jpg)
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Post by: The Walrus on May 21, 2019, 12:38:03 PM: I really briefly threw a couple maps of Planeteros into a map-to-globe generator... and then I realized that doesn't work because it just connects both ends, so who knows how much space is between the two coasts. Then again, GRRM has said the planet Westeros is on is a massive planet, so there could very well be an uncharted land way out there... fun to think about :biggrin:
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:38:40 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 21, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
I'm only really interested in watching Robert's Rebellion

While I'm curious/excited/anxious to see the Prequels.....I'd LOVE to see a Robert's Rebellion Series. Honestly, I think they could make it one solid 10-12 Episode Stand Alone Season. You don't need a massive pre-story or build up....and we know what happens afterwards.
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Post by: Chino on May 21, 2019, 12:44:46 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 21, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
I'm only really interested in watching Robert's Rebellion

While I'm curious/excited/anxious to see the Prequels.....I'd LOVE to see a Robert's Rebellion Series. Honestly, I think they could make it one solid 10-12 Episode Stand Alone Season. You don't need a massive pre-story or build up....and we know what happens afterwards.

This. I really wish HBO (as well as other networks/media companies) would focus more on miniseries, especially in this age of streaming and not needing to hook people for long periods of time with cliff hangers and gimmicks. Band of Brothers is one of the greatest (IMO) things ever filmed. John Adams is way up there as well.

How cool would it be to get a series of GOT stories that were all kind of independent of each other? No long and draw out stuff, just, like you said, 10-12 episode windows into different parts of the world through all different points in time. I think it'd be great.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 21, 2019, 12:48:25 PM: Just watched the finale for the second time. Like someone earlier mentioned, it's a different view knowing the twists. I honestly think after the second viewing I even felt more satisfied with the outcome. When I think back to other big show finale's ie... The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Lost, etc.. I think this finale for me is the best by FAR with regards to closure and satisfaction.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:49:43 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 21, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 21, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
I'm only really interested in watching Robert's Rebellion

While I'm curious/excited/anxious to see the Prequels.....I'd LOVE to see a Robert's Rebellion Series. Honestly, I think they could make it one solid 10-12 Episode Stand Alone Season. You don't need a massive pre-story or build up....and we know what happens afterwards.

This. I really wish HBO (as well as other networks/media companies) would focus more on miniseries, especially in this age of streaming and not needing to hook people for long periods of time with cliff hangers and gimmicks. Band of Brothers is one of the greatest (IMO) things ever filmed. John Adams is way up there as well.

Band of Brothers is freaking incredible. In fact, it may be high time for a re-watch.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2019, 12:50:08 PM: Quote from: Chino on May 21, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 21, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
I'm only really interested in watching Robert's Rebellion

While I'm curious/excited/anxious to see the Prequels.....I'd LOVE to see a Robert's Rebellion Series. Honestly, I think they could make it one solid 10-12 Episode Stand Alone Season. You don't need a massive pre-story or build up....and we know what happens afterwards.

This. I really wish HBO (as well as other networks/media companies) would focus more on miniseries, especially in this age of streaming and not needing to hook people for long periods of time with cliff hangers and gimmicks. Band of Brothers is one of the greatest (IMO) things ever filmed. John Adams is way up there as well.

Chernobyl is a mini series too? I've heard good things and maybe should watch. But yea, I don't know if I really need to see Robert's Rebellion unless it's focus is not on R+L=J which we already know. If they did a mini series and added some nice touches that would change your perspective on the story we already know, then maybe it could be good. I kind of like the idea of a Long Night prequal series too. Something in the universe but vastly different and maybe could shed light on things we already know about the world.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 21, 2019, 12:58:18 PM: R+L=J didn't even amount to shit other than acting as apparently one of 2 catalysts for Dany snapping. :facepalm:
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Post by: Nick on May 21, 2019, 01:01:25 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 21, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 12:16:12 PM
Anyone else see/read where there's a bit of internet chatter for them to make a show that follows Arya on her journey? I'd just rather leave it as is.

I'm with you there. I don't want to see any "post-GoT" shows or books. Prequels, I'm only really interested in watching Robert's Rebellion, too.

I'd only be interested in revisiting the world after a lot of time has passed, perhaps staged mainly in a land Arya discovered, or in Essos. Current intrigue but with discussions about what happened during the rise of the Mad Queen, talking about how the Grand Maester and others at the time changed the way leaders were decided and how that had changed things in the intermittent time. Not a direct sequel, but just nods to how these events led to the current world.
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Post by: pg1067 on May 21, 2019, 01:06:30 PM: Random question (from someone who never read any of the books):

How does the reception of this season impact the two (I think that's right) remaining planned books in the series? Will Martin write to make the books consistent with what happened in the show? Will the fan base's general dissatisfaction with the last season negatively (or positively) impact sales? What will the reaction be if the books are wildly inconsistent with what happened in the show?
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Post by: Grappler on May 21, 2019, 01:17:20 PM: Quote from: pg1067 on May 21, 2019, 01:06:30 PM
Random question (from someone who never read any of the books):

How does the reception of this season impact the two (I think that's right) remaining planned books in the series? Will Martin write to make the books consistent with what happened in the show? Will the fan base's general dissatisfaction with the last season negatively (or positively) impact sales? What will the reaction be if the books are wildly inconsistent with what happened in the show?

The books are fully separate at this point. My understanding is he gave the end points and some specific details (such as Hodor's death or Shireen's death) along the way for each character to Benioff & Weiss so they could finish the series. But the path from A to B wasn't necessarily given, so the show fleshed out the story in their way.

I'd guess that the book series ends in a similar manner, but the characters may take a different path to get there. Given the constant bashing that this show has received over the last few weeks, I'd imagine that fans will be happy to get the "official" version of the story from GRRM and it would be received better, even if it were similar in plot.

I'd be surprised if the books ever get finished before he eventually passes. His blog just referenced 5-10 potential television series in development, some set in Westeros, some fully separate. His heart just seems to be elsewhere right now. And I can understand that if he gave the TV show enough details to complete the story as he generally intended.
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Post by: Nick on May 21, 2019, 01:19:36 PM: Quote from: Grappler on May 21, 2019, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: pg1067 on May 21, 2019, 01:06:30 PM
Random question (from someone who never read any of the books):

How does the reception of this season impact the two (I think that's right) remaining planned books in the series? Will Martin write to make the books consistent with what happened in the show? Will the fan base's general dissatisfaction with the last season negatively (or positively) impact sales? What will the reaction be if the books are wildly inconsistent with what happened in the show?

The books are fully separate at this point. My understanding is he gave the end points and some specific details (such as Hodor's death or Shireen's death) along the way for each character to Benioff & Weiss so they could finish the series. But the path from A to B wasn't necessarily given, so the show fleshed out the story in their way.

I'd guess that the series ends in a similar manner, but the characters may take a different path to get there. Given the constant bashing that this show has received over the last few weeks, I'd imagine that fans will be happy to get the "official" version of the story from GRRM and it would be received better.

Keep in mind that the final two books could be ghost written by an illiterate 5-year old wildly scribbling over 3000 pages and a subset of people would still swear to their death that the books were better.
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Post by: DragonAttack on May 21, 2019, 01:48:55 PM: We all wished there would have been 8-10 episodes the past two years (except for those who complain about dialogue and slow movement).

We all wished for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

We all wished for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

My wife and I ....well, we wished for another season or three. Let's face it, other than a few shows such as 'Wired' and 'Breaking Bad' and 'Better Call Saul' .....there aren't that many around that grab a person.

Game of Thrones grabbed us.

'Long Live The North!'
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Post by: Samsara on May 21, 2019, 01:53:33 PM: Grapp -- I think he'll wrap Winds of Winter pretty soon. I think A Dream of Spring may not make it. He admitted to not having even starting that one, which is, unsurprising, but still ridiculous. My guess is, he'll outline it once WoW is done, and from there, we cross our fingers and hope he does eventually get it done. He had so much success late in life, he's trying to capitalize and take advantage of everything brought to him. I can't blame him, honestly. But I know if it were me, I'd want to wrap it up quickly, so I could go on and enjoy all those other opportunities, without the prospect of writing looming over my head.

As for other stories, I am undecided. I have Fire & Blood and haven't started it yet. It's on my list. But generally, I'm not big on prequels. I would actually like to continue following Arya, Jon, and even Tyrion from his perspective. It seems those characters could continue to make compelling TV on their own, as the primary characters.

And for those that mentioned Chernobyl -- watch it. The third episode aired on Monday, but I haven't watched it yet. The Mrs. and I watch them on Friday nights, so we've only watched the first two. Compelling, dark, haunting. Totally worth the watch.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 21, 2019, 03:12:49 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 21, 2019, 12:58:18 PM
R+L=J didn't even amount to shit other than acting as apparently one of 2 catalysts for Dany snapping. :facepalm:

Yeah, really. Varys wrote letters, who received them? ah, who cares, there's no more time.

Jon could have really revealed himself to everyone - if Varys maybe hadn't already done the job for him - and he could have claimed the throne.... only to dissolve the monarchy as it was and fucking off to the Wall to live among the nature and the free folk. Then it would have been up to the others to decide what to do with the rest. Ok, it's not your typical hero story and all of that, but Jon was passive for basically half the series, if not more.

What has Jon done that he really wanted, beside going to the Night's Watch without understanding really how piss poor it was?

He got captured by the Wildlings.... he was forced from the Halfhand to be a secret agent.
He gets back... elected Lord Commander without running for it.
He got killed... revived because Davos pressed for it.
He freed Winterfelll... got acclaimed King in the North.
He kills Dany... gets incarcerated and his sister as a kind of plea has him sent to the Wall.

Couldn't the TRUE HEIR TO THE IRON THRONE get to decide at least something, anything about him?

I know the idea of Jon letting everyone know his origins isn't perfect.... but hey, if the bar is "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" and "Arya essentially jumps out of nowhere", I can suggest my own alternate endings without having to properly justify them :P ;D
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Post by: Elite on May 21, 2019, 03:23:08 PM: Yeah, Jon being a Targaryen should have amounted to so much more that just Drogon not burning him after killing Daenerys. As R+L=J is one of the biggest fan theories out there, I wonder how big of a role it will play in the books.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2019, 03:29:19 PM: Quote from: Elite on May 21, 2019, 03:23:08 PM
Yeah, Jon being a Targaryen should have amounted to so much more that just Drogon not burning him after killing Daenerys. As R+L=J is one of the biggest fan theories out there, I wonder how big of a role it will play in the books.

Well, spoiler alert.....

There's someone else in the book claiming to be Aegon so it's definitely going to be a bigger issue in the books.

As for the show, yea it kind of sucks it didn't become terribly meaningful, but it did play a role in the trust between Jon and Dany. Kind of actually ended their relationship. Makes you think if he wasn't a targ, if she would have still burned down Kings Landing. It just never amounted to anything for Jon or the realm though, and I think maybe the lords all wanted it that way but they didn't make that clear.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 21, 2019, 03:31:02 PM: I'm pretty sure that Martin said that none of the prequel/spinoffs had anything to do with Robert's Rebellion. We pretty much already know everything about that already, so I'm not sure what would be the point, really.
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Post by: Elite on May 21, 2019, 03:45:03 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 21, 2019, 03:29:19 PM
Quote from: Elite on May 21, 2019, 03:23:08 PM
Yeah, Jon being a Targaryen should have amounted to so much more that just Drogon not burning him after killing Daenerys. As R+L=J is one of the biggest fan theories out there, I wonder how big of a role it will play in the books.

Well, spoiler alert.....

There's someone else in the book claiming to be Aegon so it's definitely going to be a bigger issue in the books.

As for the show, yea it kind of sucks it didn't become terribly meaningful, but it did play a role in the trust between Jon and Dany. Kind of actually ended their relationship. Makes you think if he wasn't a targ, if she would have still burned down Kings Landing. It just never amounted to anything for Jon or the realm though, and I think maybe the lords all wanted it that way but they didn't make that clear.

I know, I have read the books (before ever watching this show as well).

As for the 'democracy scene' with the remaining 'lords' of Westeros though.. Who decided who would be sitting there and who wouldn't? Why are there 3(!) Starks, yet only one (if at all) from other houses? What did Gendry and Davos (low-born people who worked their way up) think of Sam's actual plea for democracy? Why was Jon being a Targaryen suddenly not important to anyone there?

So many more questions I won't ever bother to ask :biggrin:
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Post by: Progmetty on May 21, 2019, 05:45:56 PM: Season 8's soundtrack is amazing, I dare say I like it better than Season 6 which is my favorite. But maybe it's too early, gotta see how it ages.
There's a version of Rain of Castamere with Serj Tankian on vocals that is just amazing!
But there's a track called A Song of Ice & Fire that is pretty much a rehash of The Children from season 4 soundtrack, he completely shatter fortressed that one.
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Post by: lonestar on May 21, 2019, 06:45:06 PM: Re-watching, and I had to rewind a few times on the brief shot of Drogon getting up out of the snow. Just frikking killer.
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Post by: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 07:20:28 PM: Lol Aaron Rodgers who had a cameo in episode 5 goes on a rant of not liking the finale
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=26796340
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 07:52:56 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 07:20:28 PM
Lol Aaron Rodgers who had a cameo in episode 5 goes on a rant of not liking the finale
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=26796340

Ugh. He probably signed the petition. Just cuz you have the pulpit doesn’t mean you need to speak.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2019, 07:55:57 PM: As if Aaron Rodgers knows how to finish...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 07:58:39 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 07:20:28 PM
Lol Aaron Rodgers who had a cameo in episode 5 goes on a rant of not liking the finale
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=26796340

Ugh. He probably signed the petition. Just cuz you have the pulpit doesn’t mean you need to speak.
He was specifically asked by a reporter what he thought of the ending though, so I guess he chose to answer it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 08:00:38 PM: Quote from: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2019, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: faizoff on May 21, 2019, 07:20:28 PM
Lol Aaron Rodgers who had a cameo in episode 5 goes on a rant of not liking the finale
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=26796340

Ugh. He probably signed the petition. Just cuz you have the pulpit doesn’t mean you need to speak.
He was specifically asked by a reporter what he thought of the ending though, so I guess he chose to answer it.

I know...but he could have easily taken the high road....thanked them for allowing him to be an extra and not fed this ridiculous lynching of the show
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 22, 2019, 01:55:34 AM: For book readers: is it true that Naath, the place where Missandei comes from and where the Unsullied will retire to, has some kind of deadly butterflies to which only the natives are immune, and so the show in telling us that Greyworm and the Unsullied go to Naath, they basically told us, maybe without even realizing it or actually knowing it, that they're all gonna die?

And since we're talking about the books.... as I previously said, I didn't read the books, but I've read a lot about the books, and so I know that in the far, far east there's a city called Assai by the Shadow which is shrouded in eternal darkness and that it's super mysterious and nobody really knows what happens there, Melisandre comes from there and all sort of weird magical shit is supposed to go down there.

Regardless of the impact it will have in the books, I love the idea of having a super hidden mystery in a story just for the sake of it, an "easter egg" of sort - I like to think that whatever goes down in Assai, it's more important and crazy and interesting than anything that happens in Westeros, and that George RR Martin imagined it but will never address it properly in the books just because he could. :lol

A bit like Tom Bombadil, imagine if Tolkien created an insane backstory for him, worth an entire saga and another trilogy, and used him in the Lord of the Rings just to be a wacky character the Hobbits meet. I can totally picture GRRM having prepared a story so insanely twisted and awesome for Assai, and never ever use it in the books :D
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2019, 07:39:15 AM: Assai is rumored to be the original birthplace of dragons.
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Post by: Adami on May 22, 2019, 09:17:29 AM: So, I wasn't able to watch the episode til yesterday. Which made avoiding media really tough. Even the news was trying to spoil stuff.

So obviously I don't have the patience to read the 4 or whatever pages since, so I'll just assume everything has been said and I'll keep my thoughts brief.

The finale was.......fine.

Great? Nah
Bad? Nah

It felt like they knew the ending pieces for quite some time and kind of forced where they were in the story (maybe a season or so ago) to get there as quickly as possible. The actual ending in concept was fine. Jon killing Dany for those reasons, Tyrion doing what he did, electing Bran king, all the rest etc., it all made sense but it was just done so fast that I didn't connect with almost any of it. It was like just watching stuff happen for me. I can't really argue with where they took everything, but the rushing of it just removed any emotional connection to me. It was almost like reading the Wikipedia plot descriptions without watching the show. Like "ohh that's what happens, cool".

The part I really really liked was Drogon dealing with Dany's death. Nudging her, burning the throne (more in a minute) and taking her to leave was really well done. The rest? Fine. Very well acted as always. Just couldn't connect with any of it, despite understanding it all.

So about Drogon, apparently there's a lot of debate on why he did that? I thought it was just obvious that dragons are very smart and he recognized that her desire for the throne is what killed her, etc. I'm happy with that interpretation.

The dialogue between Dany and Jon at the end was fine. In subject, great, but it was soooooo on the nose and blunt that it stopped me from connecting. Another unfortunate consequence of being so hurried. They just had to speak all of the subtext and fall into the "tell but not show" trap. They just kind of said everything instead of crafting a clever way of showing it. Ah well.

It's over. I don't feel a whole lot, which is, I think, the biggest disappointment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 22, 2019, 09:20:27 AM: I was waiting for your thoughts, Adami! :tup

Earlier I said I wish each 3 episode arc was a full season or more on its own. What do you think of that?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2019, 09:23:12 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 09:20:27 AM
I was waiting for your thoughts, Adami! :tup

Earlier I said I wish each 3 episode arc was a full season or more on its own. What do you think of that?

I'd be good with that. I STILL think they need better writing. Rushed is one major problem, totally, but blunt on the nose dialogue and just telling instead of showing is a problem too. I think D&D should have taken a step back and let new and excited and very talented people take the charge on the big stuff.

It was a bit like the 2nd half of Age of Ultron. Obviously Joss was just burnt out and exhausted and you can tell from watching it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2019, 09:24:11 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 09:20:27 AM
I was waiting for your thoughts, Adami! :tup

Earlier I said I wish each 3 episode arc was a full season or more on its own. What do you think of that?

That could have worked, one season dealing wtih the Night King while we see Cersei scheming in the south to build her army. The final season is then Dany's Turn and the torching of Kings Landing. Obviously they would have had to add more plots to make a season worth of TV, but it could have been done and it might have worked better. Definitely would have stood a better chance I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2019, 09:28:30 AM: While I agree that the last three episodes felt rushed, there is no way the Night King story was. As I said at the time, once that battle begun, there were only two ways for it to end: they kill the Night King and put an end to him and the WW's, or the Night Kings wins, which means everyone in the North is killed and gone. That was not a war that could go on for a whole season once the actual fighting began. And once they got past the wall at the end of S7, dragging it on for an entire season before they actually made it to Winterfell to fight would have felt tedious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2019, 09:33:39 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 22, 2019, 09:28:30 AM
While I agree that the last three episodes felt rushed, there is no way the Night King story was. As I said at the time, once that battle begun, there were only two ways for it to end: they kill the Night King and put an end to him and the WW's, or the Night Kings wins, which means everyone in the North is killed and gone. That was not a war that could go on for a whole season once the actual fighting began. And once they got past the wall at the end of S7, dragging it on for an entire season before they actually made it to Winterfell to fight would have felt tedious.

Agreed. Nothing wrong with the Night King conclusion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 22, 2019, 09:49:19 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 09:20:27 AM
Earlier I said I wish each 3 episode arc was a full season or more on its own. What do you think of that?
I think the reaction to the end of the White Walkers storyline proves how that would have gone down with the fanbase. "What the fuck the Night King was killed so quickly?" was one of the biggest responses after it was over. If they had finished off the White Walker storyline at the end of the second last season and left it a whole year or more to return to whatever came after the White Walkers it would have been a huge struggle to sell it without the overwhelming threat remaining.

Ironically the fact that it only took two episodes before most were saying "this was rushed, this should have been a whole season" pretty much proves that there was easily enough conflict and content to justify at least three episodes after The Long Night (as I expected there would be). But even if that's true, the audience wouldn't have been happy about the White Walkers being defeated before the final season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 22, 2019, 10:32:33 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 22, 2019, 01:55:34 AM
For book readers: is it true that Naath, the place where Missandei comes from and where the Unsullied will retire to, has some kind of deadly butterflies to which only the natives are immune, and so the show in telling us that Greyworm and the Unsullied go to Naath, they basically told us, maybe without even realizing it or actually knowing it, that they're all gonna die?

I mean, I don't think it's in the actual five books released (or maybe it's mentioned in passing in some of the dialogue with Missandei), but I do think that was mentioned in The World of Ice and Fire. In fact, I just Googled it and this article on AWOIAF doesn't have any spoilers for the series, so it's pretty safe to read:

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Butterfly_fever

It's also Asshai, not Assai. Easy to remember because it's like Asshat, but with an I. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 22, 2019, 11:22:53 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 22, 2019, 09:28:30 AM
While I agree that the last three episodes felt rushed, there is no way the Night King story was. As I said at the time, once that battle begun, there were only two ways for it to end: they kill the Night King and put an end to him and the WW's, or the Night Kings wins, which means everyone in the North is killed and gone. That was not a war that could go on for a whole season once the actual fighting began. And once they got past the wall at the end of S7, dragging it on for an entire season before they actually made it to Winterfell to fight would have felt tedious.

I agree with all of this, but maybe there could have been a third way, with Winterfell being tactically lost, but the heroes surviving.

The secret passages out of Winterfell were mentioned since Theon captured Winterfell, and Yara conquered back the Iron Islands with the explicity stated added bonus of being a fallback point if needed. All the ingredients were there, I know I'm not alone in assuming that the White Walkers would have taken over Westeros and Cersei, the Maesters and everyone else in the world would have realized "oh shit - they were right".

I know this poses problems of their own - Jon would never leave Winterfell and abandon people to their fate, it's unrealistic to have literally Jon, Sansa, Tyrion and Arya plus a selected 40-50 people escape Winterfell and "well, sucks to be you" to everyone else, but we were told over and over how the only war that mattered was the one against the White Walkers, and it turned out into a rought night for the northeners at Winterfell. We were promised World War II because people didn't heed the signs, and Hitler got shanked the moment he invaded Poland instead.

Oh, and if anyone feels up for a good read... I know that the moment that you compare Game of Thrones to Shakespeare is the moment when you have to take a breath of fresh air, go out for a walk and watch other series or read other books, but this is a very nice and detailed comparison between why we feel for MacBeth, and why the whole Dany fiasco was soooo rushed:

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/brdj7x/spoilers_extended_why_daenerys_season_8_plotline/

Speaking more generally, call it bias, call it being susceptible for well spoken and thought out opinions, but I have to say that for every episode I've read many forums and Reddit threads, and 9 times out of 10 I found myself conceding that the complaints made were legit, and 9 times out of 10 I found myself agreeing that some minor changes here and there would have made a scene less cringeworthy. Maybe for some perspective I should go and dig up negative reviews of Breaking Bad, which I loved, and see if I am "convinced" by legitimate and well presented complaints, of if I'll remain of the idea that the finale was as perfect as it could reasonably be (of BB I mean).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 22, 2019, 11:34:03 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 22, 2019, 11:22:53 AM
I know this poses problems of their own - Jon would never leave Winterfell and abandon people to their fate, it's unrealistic to have literally Jon, Sansa, Tyrion and Arya plus a selected 40-50 people escape Winterfell and "well, sucks to be you" to everyone else, but we were told over and over how the only war that mattered was the one against the White Walkers, and it turned out into a rough night for the northeners at Winterfell. We were promised World War II because people didn't heed the signs, and Hitler got shanked the moment he invaded Poland instead.

I wouldn't call it a rough night. They got their asses severely handed to them and barely won, only because of Arya's last second heroics. The entire battle plan went to shit and NOTHING went right for them. They lost a handful of major characters and thousands of minor ones, as evident by the funeral pyres.

This wasn't going to be a long, protracted war like Robb Stark & Stannis vs. The Lannisters in Seasons 2/3, with multiple battles spread out over Westeros. This was a last stand - Jon even said as much. "We'll make our stand at Winterfell." A small army against a massive army. One battle, winner take all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2019, 11:54:54 AM: I have my own thoughts about how the Night King could have been handled.

Mostly it's returning him (and his army) to that of an existential dread that can't actually be dealt with. If he is a metaphor for something like global warming, I say stick with that. How do we deal with a threat like that? Band together to continuously deal with it. Not actually eliminate it, but make sure we are always working together to not allow it to return. So push the king back. Work together and make sure we HAVE to be united to keep him at bay at all times.

That's just me. I don't expect the show to go that route, so the actual conclusion, while sloppy, didn't bug me a whole lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 22, 2019, 11:57:54 AM: On my way to Chicago last night me and my buddy decided we would have loved if the NK never personally left the land of always winter, or he would at least revive Viserion and then schlep off back to his ice castle and warg into the dragon. Then they would either kill the dragon while the NK was trapped in him, or they would barely win the battle and then have to trek through the most dangerous snow lands to find and defeat the evil for good...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 22, 2019, 12:03:28 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 22, 2019, 11:22:53 AM
Oh, and if anyone feels up for a good read... I know that the moment that you compare Game of Thrones to Shakespeare is the moment when you have to take a breath of fresh air, go out for a walk and watch other series or read other books, but this is a very nice and detailed comparison between why we feel for MacBeth, and why the whole Dany fiasco was soooo rushed:

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/brdj7x/spoilers_extended_why_daenerys_season_8_plotline/
Meh, the writeup of MacBeth was interesting but I didn't find the whole post compelling or convincing, since it seems more like the description of Daenerys' story feels like it's lacking or blatantly wrong to the point of being a strawman for an easier comparison, which shouldn't be necessary. It probably is a good comparison but I shouldn't need to actively fail to analyse Game Of Thrones to conclude that it wasn't done as well. Like many of the recent takes from r/asoiaf it feels like analysis that's focused way too much on reducing the understanding of Game Of Thrones down (or even blatantly mischaracterising it) rather than revealing more. That (and the fact that criticism of the show is so focused on personal vitriol towards the actual showrunners) was made me dislike the direction of that subreddit even though it was the reason I first made a Reddit account 5 years ago and was always the first place I checked. Note even this post has to end with a D&D meme. I understand that's in part the show itself doesn't leave as much interesting to discuss but I'd say discussion I've read in this thread alone proves that it's not completely impossible.

If we're doing hot takes on the finale that I agree with, I found this article surprisingly good:
An apology to George R.R. Martin: ending Game of Thrones is really hard (https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/21/18633029/game-of-thrones-got-ending-season-8-george-rr-martin-apology)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 22, 2019, 12:35:49 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 22, 2019, 12:03:28 PM
If we're doing hot takes on the finale that I agree with, I found this article surprisingly good:
An apology to George R.R. Martin: ending Game of Thrones is really hard (https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/21/18633029/game-of-thrones-got-ending-season-8-george-rr-martin-apology)

Yeah, very good indeed! I agree with the article. Also let's remember the situation poor George is in - everyone is concerned that he might die before he finishes the books. So if tomorrow he gets ran over by a bus, people won't be sad because he passed away - they'll be sad because he didn't finish the books. I can only imagine what it's like to be him.

Still, there could and should have been a compromise between "Show running for 12 seasons" (I agree with the article, it's unrealistic to take so many seasons for books 4 and 5, and to sign actors for so long) and rushing it all up in 6 final episodes. Two full seasons of 10 episodes should have already done wonders for the pacing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on May 22, 2019, 01:19:01 PM: That was a good article indeed and it gave context to the mindset of the writers and show creators rather than taking shots at them.

I was also wondering what is the longest any show creator and showrunner/writer lasted without getting burnt out or having a huge dip in quality. Most examples I see tend to be in the 5-6 season range with great shows like Breaking Bad, The Wire, Sopranos, Lost, etc.. has there been longer running shows which have the same writing team from start to finish with this large scale and last for at least 8 continuous seasons?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2019, 02:03:34 PM: Feels like the biggest thing people are complaining about is the pacing, and yeah it hasn't been good for a few seasons, but I could have overlooked that if I'd been excited by how the narrative arcs came together (or in reality didn't) at the end. Despite the drop in quality of writing and pacing since season 5, the show has still been really exciting and had some superb moments, and crucially until the final season still felt like the key narratives were building (mostly) coherently.

The thing I feel most disappointed by with the finale is how little of the build up ended up mattering to anything (apart from the climax of Dany's arc, which ironically is the thing that people seem most bothered by). The outcomes of the characters? I'm cool with that. Broadly happy endings for the Starks, Tyrion and Sam isn't what I expected but is nice. It just wasn't very exciting, like Adami there wasn't really anything that I emotionally connected to, and there's nothing really for us to discuss or interpret.

It's a real shame because even a flawed but thrilling end that brought lots of narrative arcs together would have made me want to watch it all again and enjoy how it all builds to the endgame, but right now I don't feel remotely inclined to and I've no idea if I ever will.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 23, 2019, 01:53:14 AM: https://www.polygon.com/game-of-thrones/2019/5/19/18631713/game-of-thrones-prequel-new-show-cast-story-release-date-hbo
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Elite on May 23, 2019, 04:50:43 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on May 22, 2019, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 22, 2019, 09:20:27 AM
I was waiting for your thoughts, Adami! :tup

Earlier I said I wish each 3 episode arc was a full season or more on its own. What do you think of that?

That could have worked, one season dealing wtih the Night King while we see Cersei scheming in the south to build her army. The final season is then Dany's Turn and the torching of Kings Landing. Obviously they would have had to add more plots to make a season worth of TV, but it could have been done and it might have worked better. Definitely would have stood a better chance I think.

It's not as if there's nothing to write about in the show though. There's more than enough material in the books alone that they didn't use in the series.

Anyway; I think my biggest 'complaint' with the last season (and I can't comment on seasons 5-7, since I haven't seen them) is that compared to Season 1-4 it feels as if something's missing. And I think what's missing is the feeling of there being a bigger world out there. While obviously Season 1-4 focus on the main characters, new stuff gets added constantly and the locations and world te series is set in feels huge, with every episode exploring new terrain, meeting random other people etc. etc. The last season focussed on the main characters only and we didn't really see anything of the world the show is set in. And I think that sense of wonder and excitement is missing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 23, 2019, 04:54:33 AM: Pretty much fine with all of the endings. Even predicted Tyrion would remove the Handpin and throw it away. I actually WAS shocked at the stabbing scene. What I disliked most was the (imo) rather misplaced attempt at lightheartedness in the 'High Councel' scene. With all that went before (or after) that felt rather thrown together for me. The rest was acted, shot, and played out beautifully. Loved Arya's story arc and Sansa's. Bran as King ? Meh.

Well, all in all, kudo's to one of the greatest shows ever produced on television.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 23, 2019, 05:40:06 AM: Quote from: Elite on May 23, 2019, 04:50:43 AM
Anyway; I think my biggest 'complaint' with the last season (and I can't comment on seasons 5-7, since I haven't seen them) is that compared to Season 1-4 it feels as if something's missing. And I think what's missing is the feeling of there being a bigger world out there. While obviously Season 1-4 focus on the main characters, new stuff gets added constantly and the locations and world te series is set in feels huge, with every episode exploring new terrain, meeting random other people etc. etc. The last season focussed on the main characters only and we didn't really see anything of the world the show is set in. And I think that sense of wonder and excitement is missing.

Because the stories all converged in Westeros and the main characters were all together in one or two locations for most of the last season - either Winterfell or Kings Landing. There was zero need for everyone to be spread out, since it was the endgame.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 23, 2019, 06:39:08 AM: Yeah, on one hand I agree, but... it was no longer the game of thrones, it was just Starks + Dany versus the Lannisters. There were no longer alliances, secondary characters that could even mentioned, just the very top players and no one else. As soon as the figurehead of an house died, it's like his entire kingdom ceased to exist with no pretenders, no new lieges or lords appointed, nothing like that.

Cersei was "losing enemies by the hour" - the examples presented were Yara, already sworn to Dany, and "the new prince of Dorne", an unnamed character that didn't speak in the finale. Dany 20 seconds later replies that her "enemies" grow stronger - which are your enemies, plural? it's just Cersei sitting on the throne.

There's nothing between Winterfell and King's Landing, not even the Twins where, you know, Edmure is kept in a cell even after the entire massacre of the Freys. What happens once the Tyrells are gone? who knows. What happened to the seat of House Baratheon? who knows. How is the population of King's Landing reacting to Cersei? are they actively oppressed as in curfew, insane taxes, nazi-like surveillance in the streets? who knows. What do they think of the bombing of the Vatican with the Pope and the beloved Queen inside? are they going along with the excuse that it was a tragic accident, as Cersei told Mycroft Holmes from the Iron Bank? do they hate Cersei but are powerless to revolt? who knows.

There's nothing else except the Starks and Dany (plus whatever the plot decides her remaining army is) and Cersei with Qyburn at his side in King's Landing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 23, 2019, 06:45:06 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 23, 2019, 06:39:08 AM
Yeah, on one hand I agree, but... it was no longer the game of thrones, it was just Starks + Dany versus the Lannisters. There were no longer alliances, secondary characters that could even mentioned, just the very top players and no one else. As soon as the figurehead of an house died, it's like his entire kingdom ceased to exist with no pretenders, no new lieges or lords appointed, nothing like that.

Cersei was "losing enemies by the hour" - the examples presented were Yara, already sworn to Dany, and "the new prince of Dorne", an unnamed character that didn't speak in the finale. Dany 20 seconds later replies that her "enemies" grow stronger - which are your enemies, plural? it's just Cersei sitting on the throne.

There's nothing between Winterfell and King's Landing, not even the Twins where, you know, Edmure is kept in a cell even after the entire massacre of the Freys. What happens once the Tyrells are gone? who knows. What happened to the seat of House Baratheon? who knows. How is the population of King's Landing reacting to Cersei? are they actively oppressed as in curfew, insane taxes, nazi-like surveillance in the streets? who knows. What do they think of the bombing of the Vatican with the Pope and the beloved Queen inside? are they going along with the excuse that it was a tragic accident, as Cersei told Mycroft Holmes from the Iron Bank? do they hate Cersei but are powerless to revolt? who knows.

There's nothing else except the Starks and Dany (plus whatever the plot decides her remaining army is) and Cersei with Qyburn at his side in King's Landing.
I agree with this, and the big focus on the population of King's Landing is one of the things I loved about episode 5.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 23, 2019, 07:03:56 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 22, 2019, 01:55:34 AM
For book readers: is it true that Naath, the place where Missandei comes from and where the Unsullied will retire to, has some kind of deadly butterflies to which only the natives are immune, and so the show in telling us that Greyworm and the Unsullied go to Naath, they basically told us, maybe without even realizing it or actually knowing it, that they're all gonna die?

And since we're talking about the books.... as I previously said, I didn't read the books, but I've read a lot about the books, and so I know that in the far, far east there's a city called Assai by the Shadow which is shrouded in eternal darkness and that it's super mysterious and nobody really knows what happens there, Melisandre comes from there and all sort of weird magical shit is supposed to go down there.

Regardless of the impact it will have in the books, I love the idea of having a super hidden mystery in a story just for the sake of it, an "easter egg" of sort - I like to think that whatever goes down in Assai, it's more important and crazy and interesting than anything that happens in Westeros, and that George RR Martin imagined it but will never address it properly in the books just because he could. :lol
Yes and yes! Loads of weird shit happens east of Westeros. Loads of material for theory-crafting as well: if googling the mystery of the oily black stones or the doom of Valyria doesn't get you interested in reading the books, nothing will!

Tbh when Melisandre went off and announced her comeback, I thought she would return to the Battle for Winterfell with a bunch of amazing red priests. Now that half of Westeros is unrepresented and barren in season 8, guess that's the least of everything I would end up lacking ::)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Elite on May 23, 2019, 08:22:28 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 23, 2019, 06:39:08 AM
Yeah, on one hand I agree, but... it was no longer the game of thrones, it was just Starks + Dany versus the Lannisters. There were no longer alliances, secondary characters that could even mentioned, just the very top players and no one else. As soon as the figurehead of an house died, it's like his entire kingdom ceased to exist with no pretenders, no new lieges or lords appointed, nothing like that.

Cersei was "losing enemies by the hour" - the examples presented were Yara, already sworn to Dany, and "the new prince of Dorne", an unnamed character that didn't speak in the finale. Dany 20 seconds later replies that her "enemies" grow stronger - which are your enemies, plural? it's just Cersei sitting on the throne.

There's nothing between Winterfell and King's Landing, not even the Twins where, you know, Edmure is kept in a cell even after the entire massacre of the Freys. What happens once the Tyrells are gone? who knows. What happened to the seat of House Baratheon? who knows. How is the population of King's Landing reacting to Cersei? are they actively oppressed as in curfew, insane taxes, nazi-like surveillance in the streets? who knows. What do they think of the bombing of the Vatican with the Pope and the beloved Queen inside? are they going along with the excuse that it was a tragic accident, as Cersei told Mycroft Holmes from the Iron Bank? do they hate Cersei but are powerless to revolt? who knows.

There's nothing else except the Starks and Dany (plus whatever the plot decides her remaining army is) and Cersei with Qyburn at his side in King's Landing.

You essentially said what I meant but better worded with actual examples. Thanks!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2019, 08:43:33 AM: Yeah, but that's the only way it could really turn out. As the stakes get higher, and other rivals or allies are eliminated, there is only so much room for other players to have. How much more scheming could they show? With whom could it take place?

Yes the show changed, but there was no way around it eventually changing. Eventually the schemes and plans have to go from the planning stage to the action stage. Otherwise, the story could never progress to the end.

I get the frustration, but I'm really not sure how else it could feasibly have been done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 23, 2019, 08:58:18 AM: Yeah, I hear you. I don't know how to solve it. Maybe with a little minimal of world building, a voiceover with scenes intertwined when battle plans are discussed and someone says "words of our bravery reached the Stormlands, now their new liege is pledged to us" (cue to a scene of random armored guy), "Dorne has pledged to fight for us" and you see some armies outside King's Landing, some namedropping of the surviving houses of the North, since Edmure shows up in the finale (only to be the butt of a joke ::) ) have Jon casually mention in passing that stuff happened in the Riverlands and so they gained Edmure and all the soldiers that surrended in the siege led by Jaimie.... something, anything to remind people that yes, these are our protagonists, but there are also those other houses and that they are loyal to Cersei / rebelling against her for legitimate reasons, "even though Daenerys burned the Tarlys the Reach doesn't forget the massacre at the Sept of Baelor, so now that they have a legitimate army to back, they declared against the crown", stuff like that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 23, 2019, 09:06:40 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2019, 08:43:33 AM
Yeah, but that's the only way it could really turn out. As the stakes get higher, and other rivals or allies are eliminated, there is only so much room for other players to have. How much more scheming could they show? With whom could it take place?

Yes the show changed, but there was no way around it eventually changing. Eventually the schemes and plans have to go from the planning stage to the action stage. Otherwise, the story could never progress to the end.

I get the frustration, but I'm really not sure how else it could feasibly have been done.

Agreed. I've said it earlier but honestly the only thing I'd have liked to see would have been them sticking to the format of (10) episodes per season which would have allowed them to cultivate Dany's path to destruction more....and even given them a chance to maybe reveal more about the Night King should they have wanted to.

I'm perfectly fine with the Night King storyline and how it ended.....and am fine with how everything happened. But for as much as I love the show and have defended it I don't think it's a slight to say that a few more episodes even telling the exact same story would have done it a bit more justice.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on May 23, 2019, 10:52:24 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on May 23, 2019, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2019, 08:43:33 AM
Yeah, but that's the only way it could really turn out. As the stakes get higher, and other rivals or allies are eliminated, there is only so much room for other players to have. How much more scheming could they show? With whom could it take place?

Yes the show changed, but there was no way around it eventually changing. Eventually the schemes and plans have to go from the planning stage to the action stage. Otherwise, the story could never progress to the end.

I get the frustration, but I'm really not sure how else it could feasibly have been done.

Agreed. I've said it earlier but honestly the only thing I'd have liked to see would have been them sticking to the format of (10) episodes per season which would have allowed them to cultivate Dany's path to destruction more....and even given them a chance to maybe reveal more about the Night King should they have wanted to.

I'm perfectly fine with the Night King storyline and how it ended.....and am fine with how everything happened. But for as much as I love the show and have defended it I don't think it's a slight to say that a few more episodes even telling the exact same story would have done it a bit more justice.

How dare you guys use logic and common sense. :laugh:

Seriously though, I agree 100%. The rage from the "fans" against this last season is one of the dumbest things I've ever witnessed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 23, 2019, 11:07:49 AM: Well hold on now. Just because someone rages against shitty writing doesn't mean they aren't fans. This season objectively has had lower quality writing and pacing than the last seasons but everything else was absolutely stellar (and, complaints about some of the writing and questionable events aside, I still enjoyed the HELL out of season 8). You can absolutely be a fan of something and savage it at the same time. God knows I do it with my favorite bands. I do think the hate is out of this world and way blown out of proportion, but at its core the complaints about the writing and pacing are valid, it's okay to acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on May 23, 2019, 12:19:23 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 23, 2019, 11:07:49 AM
I do think the hate is out of this world and way blown out of proportion, but at its core the complaints about the writing and pacing are valid, it's okay to acknowledge that.

Well said.

I will also say this: while a lot of people are being childish about this season, it's also kind of weird to throw phrases like "one of the dumbest things I've ever witnessed". Maybe a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon of hatred because apparently it's fashionable to hate the show now, yeah, but from the reactions I saw, a fair amount of people are disappointed with this season (and S7 in retrospect). A lot of my friends who I consider reasonable people said this season wasn't up to par with the first six. There's definitely a disquiet among the fans. And the people who were already disappointed by the show when it passed the book territory and started to make questionable writing decisions now add their previously ignored opinions to the people who are disappointed with this season, basically just fanning the flames and turning it into its own shitshow.

It's also very tempting sometimes to post your opinion about something you dislike, and, depending on the person, I guess, quite difficult to hold your opinion back. That's coming from the person who thought the show started to get shitty with S5 and sure, I posted long rants in this very thread back then. And while at one point I stopped watching and said "hey, this isn't worth it, just let the people enjoy the show and keep your opinion to yourself", I can tell you I've probably written more than 20 posts for this thread in the last few years about the show's decisions (most of them negative) after watching a few scenes from it (Arya's ninja-fight with Waif—which was fucking toned down and still was ridiculous as hell, and I just remembered I watched S6 because of that—Euron portrayal, the "capture a wight" plot and so on) and then closed the browser tab without hitting the Post button. In fact, I nearly scrapped this post, but now that the show is over, I guess I've allowed myself to post one more time in here in memory of the good times. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2019, 03:16:53 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 23, 2019, 11:07:49 AM
Well hold on now. Just because someone rages against shitty writing doesn't mean they aren't fans. This season objectively has had lower quality writing and pacing than the last seasons but everything else was absolutely stellar (and, complaints about some of the writing and questionable events aside, I still enjoyed the HELL out of season 8).
First, none of this is objective.

Second, "lower quality writing" (which I will give you) does not equal "shitty writing". This show has never been graced with shitty writing. If you think it has, I have many more shows to which I could introduce you.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on May 23, 2019, 03:22:42 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 23, 2019, 11:07:49 AM
Well hold on now. Just because someone rages against shitty writing doesn't mean they aren't fans. This season objectively has had lower quality writing and pacing than the last seasons but everything else was absolutely stellar (and, complaints about some of the writing and questionable events aside, I still enjoyed the HELL out of season 8).
First, none of this is objective.

Second, "lower quality writing" (which I will give you) does not equal "shitty writing". This show has never been graced with shitty writing. If you think it has, I have many more shows to which I could introduce you.

I would definitely say that this show has (for the last few seasons, but more so on season 8) has been graced with lazy writing. Terrible? Nah. Lazy without any exception? Nah. But overall lazy? Yup.

Objectively? No. I object to that.

And calling it lazy or whatever doesn't mean nothing does it worse. I can call Fazoli's terrible Italian food while recognizing that Chef Boyardee is a thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 23, 2019, 03:24:21 PM: Yeah Adami kind of beat me to it. Maybe I went a bit far with 'objectively' but honestly there are a lot of places with holes in the writing. Hell even the cast pushed back on a lot of the writing and the pace of it. That's all. I have zero issues with everything else, honestly, it's just the writing and pacing of it all. Cramming 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag requires you to dumb things down. I still really, really liked season 8, don't overlook that. But the fact that other shows had bad writing does not excuse another series' writing problems.

For example, out of everything Euron said the last 2 seasons, my favorite thing he ever did was when he saw Jaime struggling for his sword, and he just hung his head down like, "Oh FFS are you kidding me?" :lol

Also I might still be just a wee bit salty over the Night King. :loser:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2019, 04:10:05 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 23, 2019, 03:24:21 PM

For example, out of everything Euron said the last 2 seasons, my favorite thing he ever did was when he saw Jaime struggling for his sword, and he just hung his head down like, "Oh FFS are you kidding me?" :lol

That was the best moment of that fight. It was like, "damn it, this guy still wants to fight??"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on May 23, 2019, 04:25:46 PM: Yeah "objectively bad" just makes me want to go to those old threads "Is Prog Objectively The Best Music?" :lol It's people's opinions on art and entertainment, always going to be some different views, no point in anyone going to the bat for "objective vs. non-objective" over Game of Thrones discussion on this forum (if you're going to do that, may as well be about the objective superiority of prog over all other music).

Quote from: MirrorMask on May 23, 2019, 06:39:08 AM
Yeah, on one hand I agree, but... it was no longer the game of thrones, it was just Starks + Dany versus the Lannisters. There were no longer alliances, secondary characters that could even mentioned, just the very top players and no one else. As soon as the figurehead of an house died, it's like his entire kingdom ceased to exist with no pretenders, no new lieges or lords appointed, nothing like that.

Cersei was "losing enemies by the hour" - the examples presented were Yara, already sworn to Dany, and "the new prince of Dorne", an unnamed character that didn't speak in the finale. Dany 20 seconds later replies that her "enemies" grow stronger - which are your enemies, plural? it's just Cersei sitting on the throne.

There's nothing between Winterfell and King's Landing, not even the Twins where, you know, Edmure is kept in a cell even after the entire massacre of the Freys. What happens once the Tyrells are gone? who knows. What happened to the seat of House Baratheon? who knows. How is the population of King's Landing reacting to Cersei? are they actively oppressed as in curfew, insane taxes, nazi-like surveillance in the streets? who knows. What do they think of the bombing of the Vatican with the Pope and the beloved Queen inside? are they going along with the excuse that it was a tragic accident, as Cersei told Mycroft Holmes from the Iron Bank? do they hate Cersei but are powerless to revolt? who knows.

There's nothing else except the Starks and Dany (plus whatever the plot decides her remaining army is) and Cersei with Qyburn at his side in King's Landing.
I feel this, that was one of the main difference between the earlier seasons and the late ones for me (I'd say Season 6 onwards, even though Season 6 is still one of my top Seasons due to the quality of its big moments). But I also agree with hefdaddy's point that it had to go that way to some extent. Not just because the events of the story eliminate rivals and factions, but also because eventually the story has to stop expanding and focus on the main characters and the conclusion. Or else it will just slowly get wider and more complicated with no end in sight...

But, they could have done a better job at preserving the illusion of the wider world with more consequences even while boiling it down to the main characters and factions for the final conflicts. I can see how that's quite hard to do though, in fact that's what the bolded part is about. I'm not sure if you yourself were intending the "new prince of Dorne" who had a single line as being inherently a negative thing in your post, but I've stumbled on a few examples online of people really complaining about that and saying it's "such shit writing" because this guy wasn't thoroughly explained and didn't have much to do even though he was included. But I think actually that's what was needed - more "new Prince of Dorne"s. Ok, not exactly, but if we accept that the story has to stop expanding somewhere and that the screentime is going to be devoted to the major characters and factions, then the only way to preserve the feeling of the bigger world is to include references or brief appearances of characters and factions that won't be given significant screentime. I don't need to hear the show's attempt to explain who the new Prince of Dorne is (especially since after the Sands took over Dorne the ship had already sailed on robust politics in that region). But we learn he exists, and he's still antagonistic to Cersei - that info is better than never hearing mention of Dorne at all. I'd have been happy to get a little bit of that for some of the other regions and the rest of King's Landing.

Of course, seeing that something like mentioning a new prince of Dorne without elaborating is classed as Bad Writing^TM and the many reactions of "So ___ or ____ was pointless then?" (I usually find those sorts of statements quite bizarre, but I'd probably write a whole posts worth if I got into that) I can see it'd be quite a fine line to tread for the writers to try to put in a bit of extra texture if the characters or things mentioned aren't going to be immediately important to the scenes. Doubtless it wouldn't have pleased many people, I'd have liked it though and feel it would do a bit to ease the difference between the feel of the earlier seasons and the last few.

Edit: One of my favourite scenes from Season 7 (which I think I may prefer less than Season 8) was the scene where Cersei addressed a room of "Lords of Westeros" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8kM0U9x3hg), including Randyll Tarly but also a bunch of nameless, unknown lords. She stokes fear about Daenerys by emphasising her bringing the Dothraki and the savagery they are known for, and tales of her brutal actions against the nobility in Slaver's Bay. It's not a huge scene, but it goes a long way to explaining how Cersei could get any wider support despite her past actions - by positioning herself as a kind of nationalistic option, someone born and raised in Westeros, playing to their fear of "foreign savages", and also raising fear about the kind of treatment Daenerys might bring to the nobility if she's not happy with the way things are run. It's one of the few scenes from season 7 or 8 that I can remember that had that kind of political maneuvering which took into account the other nobles in Westeros. Jaime followed up with Randyll Tarly individually, and since we'd seen in Season 6 his attitude towards wildlings it's no surprise that the argument about savages from outside Westeros appealed to him, so he was open to the offer of commanding their forces and supplanting the Tyrells as Warden of the South.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2019, 04:29:57 PM: I am already seeing "everybody thought the finale was terrible" comments, which is horse shit, and I am sure years from now those same people will still have themselves convinced that everybody hated it, when in fact that is not true at all. Oh well, such is life on the internet where the complainers scream the loudest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 23, 2019, 06:52:14 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 23, 2019, 04:29:57 PM
I am already seeing "everybody thought the finale was terrible" comments, which is horse shit, and I am sure years from now those same people will still have themselves convinced that everybody hated it, when in fact that is not true at all. Oh well, such is life on the internet where the complainers scream the loudest.
Absolute horse shit. I loved it! My wife loved it! But yeah, the squeaky wheel get's the grease....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 24, 2019, 02:01:49 AM: RuRoRul has a better string of excellent and well thought posts than the writers with their decisions themselves :lol

While I meant with "Yara and the unnamed prince of Dorne" was that the political statement of Cersei losing allies was explained with two examples, one being a Dany ally, and the other a random guy from a region already previously aligned against the Crown, but now that you make me think about it yes, we need more "random guy from that house" and scenes like you said, with Cersei rallying up the lords against illegal immigrants.

I still like the finale, I enjoyed watching it and there had to be SOME KIND of ending anyway, and many characters got closure (even though if you really think a lot about it, and in some cases not even a lot, many things appear superficial). One thing I'll say - regardless of how it would have went down, I think that the major plot points of the final episodes should have been the ones with more "shock" value - but actual shock, not cheap shocks like big action scenes or moments justified with "Arya essentially jumps out of nowhere" or what is already a meme and will haunt the authors for years, "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet".

The reaction to Dany going full Fire and Blood on King's Landing should have been roughly 50% of "Well, I kinda see her point" and 50% of "No, she's cruel". Not 99% of ".....what the hell was that and what need there was to nuke the entire city" and 1% of "She didn't feel anything for the death of a cruel, possessive and abusive brother who told to her face that he'd gladly have her raped by 10K savages and their horses, she was clearly mad all the time". (Yeah, I know this is a bit of an hyperbole, I don't mean it that literally and that black or white. I know there are other signs of Dany having a temper to put it mildly, but she was shown to be ruthless, not needlessly cruel)

The reaction to Jon killing Dany should have been a shock like the Red Wedding, with again 50% of the people agreeing wth it, and 50% thinking that it was undeserved, but it barely registered because after Dany nukes a surrended city and is framed with the wings of the dragon behind her to make her look like a demon and all of a sudden makes nazi rethoric about "freeing the entire world", what else can happen but her killing? you can find a gazillion comments both positive and negative about the finale, but I bet there won't be basically any about "Jon should have totally not killed Dany". There should have been more nuances or, if at all, the right and rationale decision to off her should have come at the end of a longer journey, where week after week and episode after episode you realize that your justifications for Dany are fewer and fewer and you finally admit to yourself that yes, she has to go. "Against all the fears of my advisors I show that it's possible to conquer King's Landing with minimal civilian casualties, then I raze it to the ground anyway and then I talk about conquering the world" over two episodes is not the best way to go about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2019, 06:18:22 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 23, 2019, 04:25:46 PM
I'm not sure if you yourself were intending the "new prince of Dorne" who had a single line as being inherently a negative thing in your post, but I've stumbled on a few examples online of people really complaining about that and saying it's "such shit writing" because this guy wasn't thoroughly explained and didn't have much to do even though he was included. But I think actually that's what was needed - more "new Prince of Dorne"s. Ok, not exactly, but if we accept that the story has to stop expanding somewhere and that the screentime is going to be devoted to the major characters and factions, then the only way to preserve the feeling of the bigger world is to include references or brief appearances of characters and factions that won't be given significant screentime. I don't need to hear the show's attempt to explain who the new Prince of Dorne is (especially since after the Sands took over Dorne the ship had already sailed on robust politics in that region). But we learn he exists, and he's still antagonistic to Cersei - that info is better than never hearing mention of Dorne at all. I'd have been happy to get a little bit of that for some of the other regions and the rest of King's Landing.

Of course, seeing that something like mentioning a new prince of Dorne without elaborating is classed as Bad Writing^TM and the many reactions of "So ___ or ____ was pointless then?" (I usually find those sorts of statements quite bizarre, but I'd probably write a whole posts worth if I got into that) I can see it'd be quite a fine line to tread for the writers to try to put in a bit of extra texture if the characters or things mentioned aren't going to be immediately important to the scenes. Doubtless it wouldn't have pleased many people, I'd have liked it though and feel it would do a bit to ease the difference between the feel of the earlier seasons and the last few.
I had problems with the new prince of Dorne because Dorne was one of the biggest balls dropped in the series. It's not their fault, let's just get that out of the way - in the books Dorne will likely have an important storyline that's been cut from the show completely, so they had to try and preserve the cool parts while cutting out the parts that would make sense for the book storyline later, and the result was a bit of a mess. Having said that, just mentioning "the new Prince of Dorne" kinda just... reminded people that the show has had narrative issues for a while. I think it would have taken one phonecall from their people to GRRM's people (like his fact checkers Elio and Linda who worked on his encyclopedia books) to ask, out of the Sands and minor lords who were still alive or not mentioned in the show, which is the most likely candidate to rule by the time of the show? And then they could have just put that name in.

It's just one of those small details that the show, up to now, loved to highlight. Remember even recently, in the Tower of Joy scene, when Ned carried Dawn up to Lyanna's bed so that Jon was "born under a bleeding star"? Loved that shit. Give me more of that. If you have time for 20 Varys has no dick jokes, you have time to name the Prince of Dorne.

I don't have problems with "arcs going nowhere" or people being "useless", sometimes that's just how the dice lands in ASOIAF. As long as you show characters trying and failing. Or if you leave the useless character out of the scene at all. Yes, we all love Arya, but she is the least interesting person that can witness the chaos in King's Landing. Could have been Jon, could have been Davos, could have been an unnamed Dothraki fighting not to get literally killed by his own commander. Anything that plays into a theme or has any emotional significance at all.

One of my favorite "arcs" in the books is the epitome of a "useless" arc - the one of Prince Quentyn Martell. The kind that makes you go "what the hell was that all about". He goes off into an adventure, we follow it in full gory detail, we meet him and learn his hopes and dreams, we learn he is on a mission because of his powerful father. He gives all he's got, goes through hell, even though he is unwilling, he walks into disaster. He goes to propose a marriage pact to Daenerys, even reaches her, gets rejected, and... well. Let's just say his story ends in the most unceremonious way possible. What was the point of that! Well, Dorne is a natural and powerful ally to Daenerys, and she needs to be without allies when she arrives to Westeros for the story to work, so Martin has to figure out a way why this natural alliance would fail. But also, it plays into all the bigger themes of the books. Life is not a song. It takes so much to make it, and most of us are just people, even nobles and royals. Don't bite off more than you can chew. You should have stayed home. Martin relishes in writing this seemingly useless story, the writing is so vivid, so powerful. And he makes me love it.

I wish Jon could have had just one or two conversations that played into these themes. He's Arrived, he's traumatized, they told him his entire life was a lie, he fought the dead and barely survived, the Red Priestess who revived him goes and he's still alive. All he wants is to serve Dany, because that is his duty, to the bitter end. All he wants is to tell his sisters that their father wasn't dishonorable. He tells them. THEY REACT, WE SEE THEIR REACTION. Why do we get all these Stark moments with the meaning cut off?? One of them schemes against the queen he swore to protect. He is the only one who can get near enough to kill her after she breaks bad. He is a kinslayer, and a queenslayer, all in one. In all this emotional turmoil, where the only thing he's useful for - the thing he must have been revived for, because the show believes in destiny - is the thing he least wants to do in the entire universe, we get maybe two lines from him, and the nature of his tragic act is completely flattened, because:

Quote from: MirrorMask on May 24, 2019, 02:01:49 AM
it barely registered because after Dany nukes a surrended city and is framed with the wings of the dragon behind her to make her look like a demon and all of a sudden makes nazi rethoric about "freeing the entire world", what else can happen but her killing? you can find a gazillion comments both positive and negative about the finale, but I bet there won't be basically any about "Jon should have totally not killed Dany".

Basically one throwaway Dorne prince gets me more emotional in the most bloated ASOIAF book to date than Jon, the literal song of ice and fire, makes me in the finale of the story I have waited 13 years to see.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 24, 2019, 06:40:13 AM: That could be explained as if football matches, or really any other sport, was made into such a show. If you could follow anyone, you'd have your favorites, but then your team gets eliminated in the semifinal and then what was the point to follow a team that didn't even reach the final?

This year in the Champions League, two of the most revered and acclaimed player, Cristiano Ronaldo and Leo Messi, were posed to potentially meet in the finals. However their respective teams got eliminated, and so no Ronaldo vs Messi in the final. What was the point of following the epic journey to the final of the two best players in the world, if they were posed to meet in the final but didnt? well, welcome to real life, some times other teams win. That realism can be applied to the saga as well, people are posed to be a great shot and then all it takes is one fatal mistake. Just as it happen to all of us playing arcade video games, oh cool, I'm doing all things right, I never went past this point of the game, I know, this is the right time, I'm gonna defeat the final boss.... uh wait I made a stupid mistake, game over, I no longer have further coins to insert.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 24, 2019, 07:25:45 AM: I like dragons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 24, 2019, 07:42:01 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 24, 2019, 06:40:13 AM
That could be explained as if football matches, or really any other sport, was made into such a show. If you could follow anyone, you'd have your favorites, but then your team gets eliminated in the semifinal and then what was the point to follow a team that didn't even reach the final?

This year in the Champions League, two of the most revered and acclaimed player, Cristiano Ronaldo and Leo Messi, were posed to potentially meet in the finals. However their respective teams got eliminated, and so no Ronaldo vs Messi in the final. What was the point of following the epic journey to the final of the two best players in the world, if they were posed to meet in the final but didnt? well, welcome to real life, some times other teams win. That realism can be applied to the saga as well, people are posed to be a great shot and then all it takes is one fatal mistake. Just as it happen to all of us playing arcade video games, oh cool, I'm doing all things right, I never went past this point of the game, I know, this is the right time, I'm gonna defeat the final boss.... uh wait I made a stupid mistake, game over, I no longer have further coins to insert.
That's the issue I had going into the finale because I knew that the show wouldn't have the guts to crown Jon the king since people would've shouted "cheese" or something. In my mind sometimes the "hero" actually wins and that's equally believable as the opposite.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2019, 07:50:16 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 24, 2019, 07:25:45 AM
I like dragons.
I used to like the Starks. If you wanna know why I'm kinda meh on them now, please put another coin in the machine :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 24, 2019, 08:02:17 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2019, 07:50:16 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 24, 2019, 07:25:45 AM
I like dragons.
I used to like the Starks. If you wanna know why I'm kinda meh on them now, please put another coin in the machine :lol

:rollin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on May 24, 2019, 09:01:07 AM: https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bseqnj/dd_screening_season_8_to_hbo_executives/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ios_share_flow_optimization&utm_term=control_2 - D&D screening GoT season to HBO execs
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 24, 2019, 09:02:06 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2019, 07:50:16 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 24, 2019, 07:25:45 AM
I like dragons.
I used to like the Starks. If you wanna know why I'm kinda meh on them now, please put another coin in the machine :lol

I am pretty convinced you are meh about everything concerning Game of Thrones now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2019, 10:41:19 AM: Hopefully, Martin will get off his ass and finish The Winds of Winter, so that we can begin the inevitable decade-long wait for A Dream of Spring.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 24, 2019, 10:53:22 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
Hopefully, Martin will get off his ass and finish The Winds of Winter, so that we can begin the inevitable decade-long wait for A Dream of Spring.

I really hope he keeps his word on that recent statement about having a finished copy of The Winds of Winter in hand next year. I don't care if it's not even published until the end of 2020 or even early 2021, I just want to know he's finished it. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2019, 11:35:07 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 24, 2019, 10:53:22 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
Hopefully, Martin will get off his ass and finish The Winds of Winter, so that we can begin the inevitable decade-long wait for A Dream of Spring.

I really hope he keeps his word on that recent statement about having a finished copy of The Winds of Winter in hand next year.
Where did you see that? In his recent blog post, he refused to offer a time of publication.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on May 24, 2019, 12:03:25 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2019, 11:35:07 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on May 24, 2019, 10:53:22 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
Hopefully, Martin will get off his ass and finish The Winds of Winter, so that we can begin the inevitable decade-long wait for A Dream of Spring.

I really hope he keeps his word on that recent statement about having a finished copy of The Winds of Winter in hand next year.
Where did you see that? In his recent blog post, he refused to offer a time of publication.

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/21/thanks-new-zealand/

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As for finishing my book… I fear that New Zealand would distract me entirely too much. Best leave me here in Westeros for the nonce. But I tell you this — if I don’t have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island, overlooking that lake of sulfuric acid, until I’m done. Just so long as the acrid fumes do not screw up my old DOS word processor, I’ll be fine.

Obviously taking it with a grain of salt but it's straight from the horse's mouth, so it's hope. And that's better than nothing!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2019, 01:49:17 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on May 24, 2019, 09:02:06 AM
I am pretty convinced you are meh about everything concerning Game of Thrones now.
The music and the acting is pretty good ::)
I mean... don't let me harsh your mellow, I just have Opinions and all my friends feel the same, we got into the books at the same time and into the show since the beginning and we're pretty much the same person really, so there's pretty much nothing left to discuss with anyone but you :heart
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Post by: faizoff on May 24, 2019, 09:02:09 PM: Has anyone gone to the GOT music concert that Ramin Djawadi does with an orchestra? I was meaning to go to the one last year but couldn't make it and he's coming in my neck of the woods in Sept and am planning to take the wife who hasn't watched a lick of the show to it.

I watched some youtube clips of the previous shows and they look real epic.
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Post by: Elite on May 25, 2019, 02:38:41 AM: Since we’re still kind of discussing the finale and some weird decisions in there; I already asked why there were 3(!) Starks present at the king choosing and just random other people who all came alone, but let’s just forget about that for now, strange as it may seem.

Why did The North get independence, while The Iron Islands and Dorne did not? I find it kind of hard to believe that Yara Greyjoy would allow the North to de independent while her territory can’t have that, especially since the islanders were basically the first to break away from the Seven Kingdoms after Robb was crowned the King in the North.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2019, 05:07:05 AM: More than that, Yara had an agreement with Dany about indipendence / autonomy as long as they would stop pillaging. Dany's gone so no one can inforce that anymore, but Bronn can still get Highgarden because he blackmailed Tyrion under threat of violence :lol

Even if in the heat of the moment the finale flows well and gives a sense of closure and makes you feel good, hardly anything resists to a bit of scrutiny. They wanted a cool scene of Drogon being covered by snow, but what did Dany do in the time it took the snow to completely cover Drogon? she was constipated and spent a lot of time on the loo before reaching the throne room for the very first time, all by herself because screw Greyworm and their top generals, they don't deserve to share the moment with her?

Also, Tyrion not being present in the "song of ice and fire" book.... we should see the irony of an important man being snubbed and ignored by everyone, but seriously, how lousy and informative is a book that doesn't mention:
- One of the main catalysts of the Lannisters / Starks crisis (Catelyn kidnapped Tyrion)
- The acting hand of the king to Joffrey
- The murderer of Joffrey (yeah, right) and Tywin Lannister
- The hand of the king of a foreign invader who nuked the capital

People in Essos (see the play Arya attended) knew a distorted but fundamentally right sequence of the events, but the masters happen to forget about the perceived killer of a king and the actual killer of his hand, AKA the most influential, powerful and feared man in all of Westeros?
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 25, 2019, 05:20:09 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 25, 2019, 05:07:05 AM
People in Essos (see the play Arya attended) knew a distorted but fundamentally right sequence of the events, but the masters happen to forget about the perceived killer of a king and the actual killer of his hand, AKA the most influential, powerful and feared man in all of Westeros?
That was seasons ago, you can’t expect them to remember that!

Seriously though, I guess they were just thinking the North deserved to secede because Sansa needs to be rewarded for being the smartest player ever, but weren’t even thinking about independence being back on the table then. They left the situation very open and I wish they would have had Sansa and Tyrion talking about how they would mediate the situation going further. Maybe they Kinda Forgot (I’m sorry) to add that.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 25, 2019, 02:39:41 PM: The Hound Roasting People for 5 Minutes Straight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYoxNbQGS94)
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Post by: Mladen on May 25, 2019, 03:45:25 PM: I've been watching that clip like crazy over the last several days and it brings me to tears. The Hound became one of my favorite characters because of it. When you line up all of his quips, it's hysterically funny. :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on May 25, 2019, 04:15:31 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 25, 2019, 02:39:41 PM
The Hound Roasting People for 5 Minutes Straight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYoxNbQGS94)

Omg this is so good :rollin
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 25, 2019, 05:56:45 PM: :lol
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Post by: faizoff on May 25, 2019, 07:03:42 PM: That was great, I would've also included the Die! fucking Die! with the mountain in the end as well.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 25, 2019, 08:52:52 PM: I've been having trouble discussing the events of the last 2 episodes without making fun of them, but here's an attempt.
A bunch of “wtf”s have been swirling around in my head after the finale, one of them being how a book documenting the years between Robert Baratheon’s death and Bran Stark’s reign can omit Tyrion Lannister when he was such an important player and moved a lot of the pieces around.
Then a different, and initially unrelated, “wtf” was how the scene in the dragon pit ended, it ended with Bran telling Greyworm that Tyrion is gonna spend the rest of his life serving as hand of the king to fix the mistakes he made, to which Greyworm responds “It is not enough”, then it cuts to Jon Snow in his cell without telling us what agreement they reached with Greyworm to appease him regarding Tyrion.
I think the agreement is Tyrion gets punished by being erased from history, no recognition ever.
If this is indeed the case then they certainly did another piss poor job of conveying it to us, cause otherwise these two “wtf”s remain.. wtf
Tyrion looked surprised about his exclusion though, I don't know if they'd make that deal with Greyworm without telling him.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 25, 2019, 08:57:37 PM: It's been kinda aggravating dealing with a fucktarded segment of the people who liked this season, a segment that's continuously picking on those who didn't, while those who disliked it for the most part will tell you "I'm glad it worked for ya".
It's funny this is also happening at the same time at the same time Rammstein have just released a shitty album and people who like it are being incredible assholes for the people who don't. I mean I understand that it sucks to see people criticize something you're really passionate about but you don't need to be a shit head ffs.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 26, 2019, 03:35:22 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 25, 2019, 02:39:41 PM
The Hound Roasting People for 5 Minutes Straight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYoxNbQGS94)

I know that the chicken thing and the "lots of people" thing made history, but rewatching season 2 I completely forgot (until I heard it again, that's it) about something even better: "Anybody dies with a clean sword, I'll rape his fucking corpse" :lol :lol :lol

And Progmetty, I agree that the cuts are really lousy. We already heard Jon's parentage twice so they cut the revelation to Sansa and Arya, because nobody wants to see the reaction of two main characters at the news that their father didn't cheat on their mother ::) Jon killed Dany, what will happen? how will the people react? ah, whatever, time to wrap up the show, Dragonpit council meeting, hey Tobias Menzies, please stop a bit to do successful roles in other shows, come back, we have to let Sansa make fun of you, that's a more important thing to show ::)
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 26, 2019, 05:37:23 AM: 4,3/10 for The Iron Throne on IMDB. Yikes!
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Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2019, 07:10:51 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 25, 2019, 02:39:41 PM
The Hound Roasting People for 5 Minutes Straight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYoxNbQGS94)

I've also watched this a handful of times already this week. Non-stop hilarity. :lol :lol
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 26, 2019, 09:28:18 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2019, 06:18:22 AM
I had problems with the new prince of Dorne because Dorne was one of the biggest balls dropped in the series. It's not their fault, let's just get that out of the way - in the books Dorne will likely have an important storyline that's been cut from the show completely, so they had to try and preserve the cool parts while cutting out the parts that would make sense for the book storyline later, and the result was a bit of a mess. Having said that, just mentioning "the new Prince of Dorne" kinda just... reminded people that the show has had narrative issues for a while. I think it would have taken one phonecall from their people to GRRM's people (like his fact checkers Elio and Linda who worked on his encyclopedia books) to ask, out of the Sands and minor lords who were still alive or not mentioned in the show, which is the most likely candidate to rule by the time of the show? And then they could have just put that name in.

It's just one of those small details that the show, up to now, loved to highlight. Remember even recently, in the Tower of Joy scene, when Ned carried Dawn up to Lyanna's bed so that Jon was "born under a bleeding star"? Loved that shit. Give me more of that. If you have time for 20 Varys has no dick jokes, you have time to name the Prince of Dorne.
I would have loved a detail thrown in about which house from Dorne took over after the Martells too, definitely not saying it couldn't have been done. But, even if they got it directly from GRRM or a suggestion from Elio and Linda about what house to name, without more details justifying who and why it'll still result in reactions of "Wtf? How could the Daynes just take over Dorne without the Yronwoods having their say?". Certain things are more plausible but without more info there's always going to be questions about why something happened or why it was mentioned, and ironically giving an definitive answer of who rules Dorne without an explanation might be considered an even bigger narrative issue by some than just... confirming that someone exists that rules Dorne. Like I said, I would have been happy to see them name check a minor house or something too, but I don't see it as a big gap, and I'm not convinced that them just naming someone without a justification in the story would have gone over any better with most people that had a problem with them mentioning a new prince of Dorne.

Also when you say that Dorne was one of the biggest dropped balls in the series, that's one of the reasons why I wasn't desperate for them to give more details about it - after you have the Sands kill off Oberyn's House and then Ellaria ruling Dorne, the ship has kind of sailed on Dorne's politics being consistent with ASOIAF world logic, and dropping a name that's a bit of a reference to the books now isn't going to save it. Dipping back into that storyline, even to ponder how much the new leader they've named makes sense, isn't something I'm keen to do :lol. Give me a new Prince of Dorne, I can assume it's someone from one of the minor houses or a Martell cousin or something, that's enough for me.

Anyway, I'm not meaning to say the Prince of Dorne was a great addition or anything. On its own it doesn't add up to much. But I'm saying that more of the same would've went a long way. Hearing a brief mention of who "the Storm Lords" have sided with or that someone is at least taking them into consideration. Whether or not any Lords from the Reach were still on either Cersei or Daenerys' side after the Tyrells and Tarlys are killed. What the rough status of the Riverlands was after the Freys died - still under control of the Iron Throne, gone over to allies of the Starks, or just in chaos? As with Dorne, I'd appreciate hearing about the lesser houses since I love the rich world of the books and seeing more of that adapted into the show, but the more important thing that was missing for me wasn't the name dropping of Caron and Swann, Rowan and Redwyne, Blackwood and Bracken, but just the sense of a world with more competing interests and consequences.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 26, 2019, 09:31:12 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on May 25, 2019, 08:57:37 PM
It's been kinda aggravating dealing with a fucktarded segment of the people who liked this season, a segment that's continuously picking on those who didn't, while those who disliked it for the most part will tell you "I'm glad it worked for ya".
If you think there isn't a segment at least as big of those who disliked the season that are continuously antagonistic to those that did (or even those that aren't absolute and unequivocal in their dislike for it), you haven't been paying attention.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 26, 2019, 10:25:07 AM: In case anybody forgot like I did, the documentary behind season 8 airs tonight. Can't wait.
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Post by: Progmetty on May 26, 2019, 01:07:13 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 26, 2019, 09:31:12 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on May 25, 2019, 08:57:37 PM
It's been kinda aggravating dealing with a fucktarded segment of the people who liked this season, a segment that's continuously picking on those who didn't, while those who disliked it for the most part will tell you "I'm glad it worked for ya".
If you think there isn't a segment at least as big of those who disliked the season that are continuously antagonistic to those that did (or even those that aren't absolute and unequivocal in their dislike for it), you haven't been paying attention.

Maybe you and I just hang in different corners of the internet, that's why I said for the most part.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 26, 2019, 04:45:19 PM: So Jon and beric were brought back from the dead, so death isn't an absolute end in the game of thrones world. What if where ever Drogon takes Dany has red priests and her ass gets resurrected? And then she comes back PISSED...
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Post by: lonestar on May 26, 2019, 09:09:47 PM: (https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61676977_2312023878850611_1211663785199140864_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQl5IERdR2ik8fvaCqKJCtbGvMjH2GRWnhY3mcxSrfiPKqXakK2If22G9RfrPuOA39U&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=3bb77f8fd2fca05d5386458ba24eebf9&oe=5D553AC9)
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Post by: DragonAttack on May 26, 2019, 09:49:22 PM: :rollin

btw.....'The Last Watch' was superb. Seeing the 'read' of the final episode was a treat. I had read where Emelia Clarke knew of Dany's demise because she would read the scripts when they arrived...Kit (or is it 'KEITH!') Harington never preread a script. And then they flew on the same plane to the reading, Clarke having to keep her mouth shut the entire way.

Fascinating look behind the scenes. The 'Snow Man' might have been the MVP with his work, loved the Ice King, and MacLain.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 27, 2019, 01:55:45 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on May 26, 2019, 09:28:18 AM
Also when you say that Dorne was one of the biggest dropped balls in the series, that's one of the reasons why I wasn't desperate for them to give more details about it - after you have the Sands kill off Oberyn's House and then Ellaria ruling Dorne, the ship has kind of sailed on Dorne's politics being consistent with ASOIAF world logic, and dropping a name that's a bit of a reference to the books now isn't going to save it. Dipping back into that storyline, even to ponder how much the new leader they've named makes sense, isn't something I'm keen to do :lol. Give me a new Prince of Dorne, I can assume it's someone from one of the minor houses or a Martell cousin or something, that's enough for me.

Anyway, I'm not meaning to say the Prince of Dorne was a great addition or anything. On its own it doesn't add up to much. But I'm saying that more of the same would've went a long way. Hearing a brief mention of who "the Storm Lords" have sided with or that someone is at least taking them into consideration. Whether or not any Lords from the Reach were still on either Cersei or Daenerys' side after the Tyrells and Tarlys are killed. What the rough status of the Riverlands was after the Freys died - still under control of the Iron Throne, gone over to allies of the Starks, or just in chaos? As with Dorne, I'd appreciate hearing about the lesser houses since I love the rich world of the books and seeing more of that adapted into the show, but the more important thing that was missing for me wasn't the name dropping of Caron and Swann, Rowan and Redwyne, Blackwood and Bracken, but just the sense of a world with more competing interests and consequences.
Really after what they did at Dorne is a no win situation, whatever they did would have reminded us of that big Dorne fiasco. While it is arguably true they need to collapse the story a little, the part that they needed to collapse was already done - all the Starks and all Dany's forces were in one place and playing off against each other, but the rest of the world still exists and everyone else still has their own desires. I think they could have done a step in that direction even by naming the new prince. Or like... just straight up filling us in on where the fuck everyone is in the kingdoms they don't care about during those filler war council scenes :lol

Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 26, 2019, 04:45:19 PM

So Jon and beric were brought back from the dead, so death isn't an absolute end in the game of thrones world. What if where ever Drogon takes Dany has red priests and her ass gets resurrected? And then she comes back PISSED...
Ha, wouldn't that be a sequel! You're right, it is technically possible. It would also explain Drogon's deep intelligent thinking after her death if she went on to live a second life in his body - she loves Jon too much to roast him, but roasts the throne. I always thought that, when Jon and Dany meet in the books, that they will talk about warging and that she will realize she has a skinchanging magic link to her dragons. They really downplayed that aspect of magic in the show, and the books really have Dany just stumbling into the proper mechanics of doing magic (like the blood magic she did to get her dragons, hearing voices at the edge of reality, dragon dreams as opposed to green dreams), so it makes sense if she didn't know she was doing it.

I think if they go for sequels, it would be just Arya's. Maybe in 15 years Kit as Jon Snow can come back as old man Logan, a grizzled King Beyond The Wall, going to the heart of Winter.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2019, 02:39:57 AM: Well, in my head Drogon flew all the way to Asshai to get Dany resurrected. She'll go "Ah, screw those stupid Westerosi" and go back to Mereen to hook up with Daario and she'll be queen of Mereen again.

I also decided that Cersei survived the crash and spent four days withering in agony with Jaimie dead pressing her down, but sadly they showed Tyrion finding her and so I can't imagine that any longer. :D
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 27, 2019, 06:37:32 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 27, 2019, 02:39:57 AM
I also decided that Cersei survived the crash and spent four days withering in agony with Jaimie dead pressing her down, but sadly they showed Tyrion finding her and so I can't imagine that any longer. :D
I really wish Cersei would have survived and that king Bran in his infinite wisdom decided that she wouldn't get executed. That would really be a twist ending, and a finger in the eye to everyone who wanted her dead. I would have rolled my eyes at Cersei narrowly avoiding disaster once again, but after a while I'd probably love it.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 27, 2019, 08:39:39 AM: Tried to watch the Season 8 documentary. It was ok. Got bored and turned it off 40 mins in
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Post by: The Walrus on May 27, 2019, 11:04:10 AM: Quote from: Phoenix87x on May 27, 2019, 08:39:39 AM
Tried to watch the Season 8 documentary. It was ok. Got bored and turned it off 40 mins in

That's a shame; I'm watching it now and I'm about at that point but I'm thoroughly entertained. I eat up all this behind the scenes stuff.
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Post by: lonestar on May 27, 2019, 04:27:39 PM: Yeah I dug the documentary. Emilia's reaction to Kit's reaction of him killing Dany was absolutely priceless. Also how Kit got the nickname 'Keet' from the way the Spanish pronounce his name is pure brilliance.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2019, 04:29:36 PM: Quote from: lonestar on May 27, 2019, 04:27:39 PM
Yeah I dug the documentary. Emilia's reaction to Kit's reaction of him killing Dany was absolutely priceless. Also how Kit got the nickname 'Keet' from the way the Spanish pronounce his name is pure brilliance.

I also liked the sad face she gave Iain Glen when Jorah's death was read at the table read.
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Post by: lonestar on May 27, 2019, 04:31:04 PM: Yeah, that whole scene was a delight to watch.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2019, 04:33:15 PM: I was bored with most of the rest of it. I give full props to the production team, who did incredible work to make the show go, but I couldn't have cared any less as to what they had to say. I wanted to hear more from the cast.
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Post by: faizoff on May 27, 2019, 06:08:06 PM: The Last Watch was great, I liked that it showed from the perspective of the crew. The extra with the long beard was already semi-famous on reddit for a few years, you can imagine their surprise and excitement on seeing him prominently featured.

Interesting how they said the production of each episode was like making one movie and by the end of it the producers and stage managers were just ready for it to be done. Seven months to build the King's Landing set is an enormous feat. Just brutal toll on the production crew throughout.
The prosthetic lady was distraught so many times and their reunion with the daughter was heartwarming.

I like that they had a department and manager - Head of Snow.lol he had a very interesting story too.

I think whatever extras we get on the boxset will be cast centric which made sense to make this documentary focus on the crew. I am guessing that will be released around Christmas time.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 28, 2019, 07:36:09 AM: Watched it. Very fascinating.....it's unreal how much work goes into a show like that. Would LOVE to see more behind the scenes between actors than what they showed us...but I did like seeing the other side of things.
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 28, 2019, 08:47:10 AM: We got about half way through the documentary. It had some interesting moments and some really boring moments. We will watch the other half soon. Yesterday afternoon I watched the final episode for the 3rd time. It STILL choked me up at multiple points. I can't remember the last time I re-watched a finale more than once, or was so moved.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 28, 2019, 08:49:32 AM: The documentary just made me more angry that they did f*%& all with the Night King and didn't even let him use his sword.

But damn every member of the crew was just amazing at their job. The snow guy, the prosthetics team, the hair and makeup people, and especially those who built the sets, I would've loved to walk down that King's Landing set.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 28, 2019, 08:56:50 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on May 28, 2019, 08:49:32 AM
The documentary just made me more angry that they did f*%& all with the Night King and didn't even let him use his sword.
This just really confuses me and makes me think they somehow changed the plot of what the last battle was going to be between the casting and the end of the show. They cast the guy because he was a skilled stunt swordsman and then they just don't use him.

Quote from: lonestar on May 27, 2019, 04:27:39 PM
Yeah I dug the documentary. Emilia's reaction to Kit's reaction of him killing Dany was absolutely priceless. Also how Kit got the nickname 'Keet' from the way the Spanish pronounce his name is pure brilliance.
Loved this bit so much. Serves Kit right for not pre-reading the end :biggrin:
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 28, 2019, 09:00:59 AM: On the actor's Instagram you can see him posing with armor outside the Tower of Joy. He was the one actually fighting with young Ned! (I assume the scenes where Arthur Dayne's face wasn't shown).

I like that they went for a total nobody (due respect to him) for the Night King. They could have gotten anyone, but they went for an unknown actor to symbolize better the abstract menace of the White Walkers. When you watch Voldemort, a little part of you deep down knows you're watching Ralph Fiennes, that Amon Goeth is now a wizard nazi. The Night King is this dude that pops out of nowhere, raises his hands and raises the dead, throws a spear and kills a dragon. Nevermind he gets shanked without even having a proper fight.
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Post by: RuRoRul on May 28, 2019, 09:41:52 AM: Respect to Vladimir Furdik (who I knew played other White Walkers and was a stunt performer but I didn't realise did the stunt fighting for Arthur Dayne!), but I still have to go for the original Night King played by Richard Brake (a.k.a. Hardhome Night King):

(https://imgix.bustle.com/rehost/2016/9/13/8b84f536-adf6-43bb-b4b5-2cbc79496c9a.jpg?w=970&h=546&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format&q=70)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kingsman-the-secret-service/images/2/20/Richard_Brake.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190110163227)

The face just has a menace to it that comes through even through all the make-up and digital effects. I can understand why for a character that's mostly make-up and effects they probably thought it wasn't worth keeping a different actor for close-ups and for physical performance, but I think it could have been worth it. Although I did like Vladimir Furdik's Night King more on The Long Night than in his Season 6 and 7 appearances, thought the menace and personality came through a bit more then.

As for why they went with a stuntman and then there was no big sword fight (which I thought there probably would be), I guess that even the level of physical performance that the Night King did would probably still have required a stunt performer as well as another actor. In Hardhome and in Season 4 the Night King didn't really do anything that required much movement.
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Post by: Grappler on June 13, 2019, 11:04:34 AM: Does anyone else love the Beautiful Death posters drawn by Robert M. Ball? HBO hired him to draw a poster for one death (or event) that occurred in each episode for the first 4 or 5 seasons, then kept him on to deliver one per week as the final few seasons aired.

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/64520837_10156674630317734_3585165010499796992_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQk9Md6VX9UxFzrMrKKbRy_GiVv7NgQwXHouhfDwb8QtcVwuzQC1x6iuJmYKQ6CM4DY&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=374ecc6ee48ca53568eccc0f6e84955e&oe=5D834331)
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 13, 2019, 11:39:52 AM: Oh yes, I know that site! gotta catch up with the latest episodes!
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Post by: ReaperKK on June 13, 2019, 11:40:05 AM: This is the first time I’ve ever seen them but they do look cool.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2019, 01:23:24 AM: I finally watched The Last Watch too. I liked it! maybe it was not gripping all of the time, but it's a nice tribute to all the people working behind the scenes.

Some highlights:

- The lady who was away from her daughter, aww. They brought her in to have a cameo, well deserved!
- Emilia is so lovely and cute and huggable. Sure, the cameras are rolling so she won't act like a cranky bitch even if she felt like it, but still, she was so heartwarming and genuine when discussing stuff with her stylist and the one putting her wig on.
- Dave Nutter seems like a cool guy and a quite efficient director.
- Vladimir Furnik was also adorable. This stuntman who loves more than anything to work to coordinate the fight scenes and be helpful for the actors gets to have a chance in the spotlight and he's unsure of where he should stand, with the crew or with the actors. His broken english makes him also seem even more humble. Loved when he went to check out the fans, asking "do you know who I am?", and got cheered and acclaimed like any other of the protagonists, a symbolic "win" for all the people working behind the scenes.
- The table read.... everyone cheering for Arya (loved "Sandor" pumping his fists for her girl), and Conleth Hill just couldn't be bothered to hide his disappointment at it all, with a zero fucks given somber face. And he threw away his script during Varys' death reading, without even waiting for Emilia Clarke to finish her line.
- Same as this, but in a more lightheartned manner, Vladimir Furnik at a certain point says "so a little girl kills me... how is that possible?" .... yeah, Vlad, we feel you, bro, we feel you. *shakes head and watches Chernobyl for consolation*
- The extra guy, the bearded warrior... wasn't the one made famous by a meme since he was an extra in all the seasons? he was so proud and happy to just be a part of it, at the end he choked up with emotions.
- Also the last scenes for the actors (they showed Vladimir, Emilia, Keeeeet and by extension Davos and Greyworm's characters)... oh, the feels! very emotional for all of them.

Going more on a tangent now, but I wonder how actors don't feel disconnected in shooting scenes out of order, I know they all read the scripts and know what's gonna happen, but to jump from a scene to another without the proper story order.... for example, do you know what Pedro Pascal's first scene as Oberyn was? the wonderful dialogue in the cell with Tyrion when Oberyn offers to be his champion! he comes in on set, and he has to pretend he's lived through it all already! I don't know how actors can do it without the performance suffering, I know it's apples and oranges but it's like, dunno, asking Iron Maiden to start the show with Fear of the Dark and Iron Maiden and pretend it's the climax, or asking DT to perform SFAM, but starting with Home through Finally Free, and then starting again from Regression. And leave Through Her Eyes and The Spirit Carries On for last because the female guest vocalist isn't avalaible until a certain moment.

Anyway, all the people working behind the scenes deserves big applauses for the insane hard job they pulled. I hope they don't take personally all the criticisms of the last season 'cause it's aimed just at the story and not at their wonderful work.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 21, 2019, 01:27:26 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 21, 2019, 01:23:24 AM
Going more on a tangent now, but I wonder how actors don't feel disconnected in shooting scenes out of order, I know they all read the scripts and know what's gonna happen, but to jump from a scene to another without the proper story order....

I get what you're saying....it seems odd and like it'd be tough to do but the simplest and best and probably most correct answer is "that's their job". they're actors...they're paid to be able to conjur up whatever emotion is necessary at that time. Even if they're asking you to be heartbroken over the death of your sibling that actually hasn't been filmed yet.....you have to be able to do that. That is why those actors/actresses get paid the $$$ they do. It doesn't make sense to us but our jobs probably wouldn't make sense to them either.

Side note: The show 'Mr. Robot' on USA actually films the scenes in chronological order. I think there are other productions that do so as well. So, it's out there.....but a show of GOT's scale it'd be impossible to do that.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 21, 2019, 08:52:00 PM: Conleth Hill needs to stop being a mark for the character he played and get over it. His character lasted till the 2nd to last episode. Unreal that he was pissy about that, and about not getting a final scene with Littlefinger before his death at the end of Season 7.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2019, 01:44:54 AM: He explained in interviews that he wasn't told before, as it usually happens when your character dies, and he took it personally. I guess one could argue that this was the final season for everyone so there's not much point in saying "you'll no longer be with us" - well, d'uh, last season, who would have figured?

He's probably also a bit annoyed at how his character was sidelined.
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Post by: ariich on June 22, 2019, 07:46:57 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 22, 2019, 01:44:54 AM
He's probably also a bit annoyed at how his character was sidelined.
I think it's mostly that. He's talked in interviews about his character hasn't really done anything for 2-3 seasons now.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 22, 2019, 08:11:37 AM: I think it goes without saying that Varys' influence wasn't as strong once he left King's Landing, as he went from being on the small council under the ruler of the seven kingdoms to eventually being one of many trying to help Daenerys take the Throne. Although he did become one of Dany's main advisors near the end, he was never going to be as important in that regard as Tyrion or Jorah, so it was a natural part of the storyline for his character to take a step back as far as importance went.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 24, 2019, 06:44:16 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 22, 2019, 01:44:54 AM
He's probably also a bit annoyed at how his character was sidelined.

Most characters got sidelined at the end too, he probably should just stop bitching, but I do think the actors/actresses may have a point about their characters not getting fleshed out more, but what can you do? The biggest TV show ever is over, time to move along.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 24, 2019, 06:47:25 AM: Or maybe he didn't like how the *master of whisperers* who was a Targaryen loyalist for 20 years under Robert Baratheon's nose all of a sudden went "Yo, Jon, my bro, so.... the bitch's kinda crazy, wanna be king?" in plain view of everyone else :biggrin:
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Post by: Chino on June 24, 2019, 07:48:59 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 24, 2019, 06:44:16 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on June 22, 2019, 01:44:54 AM
He's probably also a bit annoyed at how his character was sidelined.

Most characters got sidelined at the end too, he probably should just stop bitching, but I do think the actors/actresses may have a point about their characters not getting fleshed out more, but what can you do? The biggest TV show ever is over, time to move along.

I can understand their frustration. I've been on 2-3 year long projects at work that ended up getting scrapped, and despite getting a paycheck, it feels like a lot of my time and work was wasted. It must suck being on a TV like GOT, not having your character get killed, only to not see anything notable come of your work. It's like there was no plan for his character, and they just had to dispose of him in one way or another. I'd be sour as shit too if I were him. I don't think I'd be as public about it, but I'd certainly be pissed.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 24, 2019, 08:27:09 AM: He got a good death scene, though. Despite the way it went down, Varys and Tyrion, his closest friend, had a nice goodbye, and then his character was shown the courtesy of an off-screen death; we, the viewers, did not see him burn.

I would agree that they probably weren't sure what to do with him once he helped smuggle Tyrion out of the capital, but that was the nature of the storyline. With that many characters, it is natural that some of the supporting characters were going to see their on-screen time and importance ebb and flow. Heck, even Arya, one of the main characters (if we can, for the sake of argument, call her that, since they were all technically in supporting roles), saw her on-screen time diminish at times in Seasons 5 and 6, and you didn't hear Maisie Williams bitching.
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Post by: faizoff on June 26, 2019, 04:59:25 PM: December 3rd is still 5 months away but I for one am super excited to complete my collection with the box set. The limited edition set looks pretty amazing and I'm mulling getting that and just selling the individual seasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS0fSCPz1EE
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Post by: KevShmev on June 26, 2019, 07:19:38 PM: I might wait a bit until after its initial release for the price to go down, as I am sure it will be pretty costly when first released, but I will get it sooner or later.
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Post by: krands85 on June 27, 2019, 05:00:58 AM: What I'm most interested in is season 8 in 4K - mainly so I can see episode 3 properly.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2019, 05:03:58 AM: I'm unsure about a rewatch. One one hand, now that the dust (ash from King's Landing?) has settled, I could enjoy it with a free mind and without expectations, and concentrate on the visual aspects which are stunning, and maybe try and concentrate on the story without the costant tension of not knowing what happens next.

On the other hand, the story is so nonsense that I'm afraid that even a rewatch will make me realize better the 546 things that make no sense, and other 310 that I didn't notice the first time.

But at least the battle of Winterfell and the burning of King's Landing should be enjoyable if you focus just on the visual spectacle.
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Post by: Chino on June 28, 2019, 06:34:35 AM: My gripe with watching the show again is going to be all the characters and arcs that start and the realization that they go absolutely nowhere the last time we see them.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2019, 09:08:10 AM: Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2019, 06:34:35 AM
My gripe with watching the show again is going to be all the characters and arcs that start and the realization that they go absolutely nowhere the last time we see them.

I have no plans on rewatching anytime soon. I need to wait until I forget things and go back wtih a fresh mind. It worked wonders for Lost watching the end again since I forgot all the details and was able to enjoy the final season more than when I watched it in real time.
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Post by: faizoff on June 28, 2019, 09:47:01 AM: I rewatched the entire season right after the finale and I still enjoyed it. Apart from the super rushed timelines I have no real issue with the arcs of any characters, I do wish some of the things were probably executed differently like Sapochnik's idea of killing off a ton of characters like Jorah in the first few mins of Battle of Winterfell, other than that I'm ok with season 8. I've made my peace with it.

It's unfortunate it didn't go out on a high note like Breaking Bad which will forever be my number 1 show and the blueprint on how to properly end things. But to end GOT without rushing the story I honestly think it would've taken another 3 seasons minimum. If you watch the documentary 'The Last Watch' pretty much everyone from the producers to the production manager and many others were pretty much done with the show this last season. They were physically and mentally done.

In any case, it was a missed opportunity but I don't begrudge following the show for so long and accept the bitter sweet ending.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 28, 2019, 10:06:14 AM: Yep, most of the character arcs ended just fine.

I wish Daenerys' ending had been better; I had no problem with her burning down King's Landing, as she had threatened to do that before and it was not the sudden turn many think it was, but her death scene was underwhelming.

And while we can quibble with the endings the individual Starks got, House Stark ultimately winning the Game of Thrones was totally the right thing.

The Red Woman, The Hound and The Mountain, Cersei, Jaime, Jorah, Theon, Brienne, Sansa and Tyrion all got great endings. And while many didn't like it, I would argue that Jon got a great ending as well, as he saved the seven kingdoms from the mad queen and then ended up going to live with the wildlings where he was always the happiest. Arya's ending was a bit strange, going west to explore, but the moment where she realized she wanted to live instead of killing Cersei and dying herself, before thanking The Hound, was awesome.

Bran ending up the rule of the six kingdoms is still kind of an eye-roller, but when you consider that the pilot ended with him being pushed out of a window, the series then ending with him on the throne is kind of sweet justice, even if the path there was rather odd for him. However, one big takeaway for me is that being the ruler of the seven (now six) kingdoms ultimately doesn't mean a lot. Think of the rulers we saw throughout the series. Robert was the king for only, what, 6-7 episodes and was murdered by his own wife. Joffrey was a little shitbag whom no one liked or respected. Tommen was a nice kid, but too young to command much respect and was easily to manipulate. Cersei was the ruler most of the last two seasons, but was hated by nearly everyone. Danny was the ruler for like 45 seconds before being killed. And then Bran ended up the ruler at the end after Drogon destroyed the actual throne, and in a clear demonstration of how little being the king/queen really meant, despite being a member of the family that won the Game of Thrones, Bran was not even featured in the final montage that ended the series.
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Post by: faizoff on June 28, 2019, 10:51:30 AM: Speaking of that ending montage, it gives me goosebumps every time I watch it or listen to that track. I know for sure I will get very emotional when that score gets played when seeing Ramin Djwadi live in a few months. Despite how the ending was paced, that last bit with the Starks was great to see.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 30, 2019, 02:57:01 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on June 28, 2019, 10:06:14 AM
And while many didn't like it, I would argue that Jon got a great ending as well, as he saved the seven kingdoms from the mad queen and then ended up going to live with the wildlings where he was always the happiest.

I wish he had more control over it - and that his lineage meant something, anything.

He should have taken up the throne, and as his first act he should have abolished the hereditary monarchy, being the one to propose an elective one - rather than Tyrion who, for the record, was supposed to be on trial and not allowed to speak ::) and then he should have pissed off with the wildlings.

Some random speech about how the war for the throne has destroyed the kingdom and generated blood feuds that would go on forever and anyway almost anybody's dead bla bla bla could have sold the idea somehow I guess.

And yeah, the music over the Stark montage was awesome, Djwadi is amazing and I hope he becomes an household name for scores in the future :metal
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Post by: ariich on July 01, 2019, 11:30:37 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 28, 2019, 06:34:35 AM
My gripe with watching the show again is going to be all the characters and arcs that start and the realization that they go absolutely nowhere the last time we see them.
Yeah I don't really have any interest in watching it again sadly, for exactly that reason. I'd be watching all these intriguing character and narrative arcs in the knowledge that they don't end up going anywhere interesting (or anywhere at all in some cases).
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 02, 2019, 01:03:08 AM: For a rewatch - just pretend that it's the Olenna Tyrell show, and quit when she dies.

Only downside is missing the eye candy and badassery that is the following episode, with Drogon attacking the Lannister army, but this way you spare yourself the Hollywood clichès fest that is Beyond the Wall, and the trainwreck of season 8 :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2019, 09:07:55 AM: Considering Season 8 was not a trainwreck, that post makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by: The Walrus on July 02, 2019, 09:11:09 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on July 02, 2019, 09:07:55 AM
Considering Season 8 was not a trainwreck, that post makes no sense whatsoever.

Makes plenty of sense. I might not use the word trainwreck or go that far, but I have tons of conflicting feelings on season 8, and disappointment is chief among them.
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Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2019, 09:22:19 AM: I have been consistent that I think Season 8 was not as great as it could have been, and there are certain things I wish would have been done better, but calling a trainwreck is such ridiculous hyperbole that it's almost funny. But hey, that is the internet for ya.

Edit: the word "trainwreck" implies that everything went wrong. It did not. Like I said, a few things could have been done better, but a lot went right and many characters arcs ended perfectly.

Mirror Mask, to address your point from earlier:

Regarding Jon's lineage, it did mean something. Danny finding out about it was another blow to her slowly-devolving state of mind. Once she decided to help the North fight the Night King, so much went wrong for her, and finding out that she was not the true living heir to the throne was another brick in the wall, so to speak.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 02, 2019, 11:36:39 AM: If trainwreck is too much, I'll switch from a train to a zeppelin, the Hindenburg: sure, Game of Thrones was a technological and unparalleled marvel, but right now all I can think about is how it crashed and burned upon landing :biggrin:

And yes, Jon's lineage did meant something (negative) for Dany, but from the very issue that George Martin used to see if D&D were "worthy" of adapting Game of Thrones (he asked them who was Jon's mother), I expected something more than "just another reason to make Dany snap".
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Post by: XJDenton on July 03, 2019, 01:27:50 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on July 02, 2019, 09:22:19 AM
many characters arcs ended perfectly.

I can think of one or two: Brienne and possibly Sansa. Every other arc had some severe problems in my view. In any case, you'd expect a few survivors in a train wreck. ;)
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Post by: lordxizor on July 03, 2019, 06:44:12 AM: Train wreck is a little strong for my opinion, but disappointing and interest killing is fair. I have no interest in ever rewatching the series because of the ending.
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Post by: ariich on July 03, 2019, 02:01:54 PM: Quote from: lordxizor on July 03, 2019, 06:44:12 AM
Train wreck is a little strong for my opinion, but disappointing and interest killing is fair. I have no interest in ever rewatching the series because of the ending.
I agree. I didn't find it a train wreck and I didn't hate it. I just didn't find it at all interesting or satisfying.

Quote from: XJDenton on July 03, 2019, 01:27:50 AM
I can think of one or two: Brienne and possibly Sansa. Every other arc had some severe problems in my view.
Sansa's was good. Brienne's was ok but a bit unsatisfying. I thought Dany's arc was one of the few that worked well despite what people claim about it being rushed. The rest all felt pretty meh or just didn't hang together well for me (or in some cases, I outright disliked).
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Post by: XJDenton on July 03, 2019, 02:11:41 PM: I could see where they wanted to go with Dany's arc but her fall from grace needed, like, 2 more seasons to be in any way natural. The problem I had with Brienne's arc were directly tied in with how shittily Jaime's arc was handled at the end so I place most of the blame there.
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Post by: ariich on July 03, 2019, 03:50:52 PM: Quote from: XJDenton on July 03, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
I could see where they wanted to go with Dany's arc but her fall from grace needed, like, 2 more seasons to be in any way natural.
I don't agree, but then I've disliked how power-hungry and vindictive she is for a few seasons already so it felt completely natural to me.
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Post by: XJDenton on July 03, 2019, 04:09:52 PM: I agree she was power-hungry and vindictive, but she was also someone who was heavily characterized as someone who wanted to protect the common folk and the oppressed. Even in season 7 she was saying she had no desire to be "Queen of the Ashes" and then suddenly, 6 episodes later she was burning children to death. The end point was consistent with her portrayal in earlier seasons but the shift from "flawed but ultimately well intentioned queen" to "burn them all" was in my opinion too abrupt.

As a point of comparison, Walter White's flaws such as pride and willingness to kill if pushed were telegraphed early, but it still took 4 seasons to go from the "Chemistry teacher with a dark streak" to the Heisenberg that was happy to feed a kid ricin to achieve his goals.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 03, 2019, 06:13:16 PM: While true about saying she didn't want to be the "Queen of the Ashes," I believe it was that very same conversation where Daenerys earlier said that he was going to fly her dragons to King's Landing and take it down, before Tyrion basically talked her out of it. While I think her "turn" shouldn't have happened so close to the end (I agree that the aftermath of that should have been covered in at least one season), it was telegraphed quite well.

I am surprised someone wouldn't like the way Brienne's arc ended. Her getting knighted was one of the highlights of the final season (if you didn't get a nice feeling when she smiled at the end of that scene, you are dead inside :P), and then her final scene, with her writing Jaime's entry in the Book, was so good. I get why some didn't like the end to Jaime's, with his returning to King's Landing to be with Cersei, but I think it fit the nature of his character well, and he had redeemed himself pretty well. I went from "man, I cannot wait for this guy to die" in the first two seasons to really liking him by the later seasons.
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Post by: Adami on July 03, 2019, 06:18:02 PM: It felt like there were 2-3 seasons skipped. The endings probably work, but they need to get there naturally, instead of just skipping there.

Six Feet Under had one of the best endings I've ever seen. But if you put that exact ending at the end of season 3, it just makes no sense and feels terribly out of place.

Continuum had a similar problem. Ending made perfect sense but felt out of place and rushed. Big difference was that Continuum was cancelled and they were forced to rush to the ending. GoT people just seemed to want to move on and skipped to the ending.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2019, 01:49:28 AM: Quote from: XJDenton on July 03, 2019, 04:09:52 PM
As a point of comparison, Walter White's flaws such as pride and willingness to kill if pushed were telegraphed early, but it still took 4 seasons to go from the "Chemistry teacher with a dark streak" to the Heisenberg that was happy to feed a kid ricin to achieve his goals.

Another brilliant example of Breaking Bad's strong writing is Walt doing something completely and utterly stupid, but in character: when Gael was killed and Hank thought he was Heisenberg, Walt couldn't keep his trap shut and hinted that Gael was just an imitator, because he was so stubborn and proud that he couldn't allow for anyone else to get credit for "Heisenberg". It was something completely stupid (I was almost yelling at the screen "shut up! shut up you idiot, shut up!", but absoutely in character for Walter White.

The whole Dany thing, instead.... the more I think of it the more it leaves me puzzled.

I accept her being ruthless and having her selective violence becoming less selective, but the events of the penultimate episode are weird.

Dany said something about "Cersei thinks our mercy is a weakness", implying that she might not care for the people in the Red Keep.
Varys says as much to Jon ("We know what she's about to do"), so Tyrion begs with her to give a chance of surrender to the city, the infamous ringing of the bells.
Tyrion then talks to Jaimie and he looks damn sure that the city will fall - "No, Cersei will lose", "There won't be an Iron Fleet much longer", how is he so sure? Did Dany told him her plan? if so, that would mean that Dany said "I'm gonna destroy the Iron Fleet attacking from above, then I'm gonna take out all the scorpions and open the gates for my army", which was already a victory plan with minimal civilian casualties, did she add "then I guess I'm gonna burn them all"? or Tyrion just figured that the dragon was invicible anyway, something that for the record negates the whole "Oh no, Euron killed a dragon, there are scorpions, Dany can't use freely Drogon anymore!" thing?

We then come to the battle: Dany pulls out her perfect plan, in 10 minutes or so destroys the fleet and the walls, the city falls, and then she just snaps, with the official explanation coming from the authors being "she saw the Red Keep and she thought of all her family has lost". She then goes street to street to methodically destroy and burn everything, giving all the time in the world to Cersei to escape, which she almost did. The equivalent, in case the White House is occupied by a tyrant, of needlessly carpet bombing the city of Washington while the White House sits there alone in a park.

She could have flown to the Red Keep and burn it regardless of the civilians inside, with maybe some wildfire caches exploding accidentally and creating more damage - and then when confronted she could have angrily said she didn't care, proving she was losing her compassion. But apparently some nuance wasn't enough so she had to needlessly destroy the city AND have the dragon behind her to give the impression of her being a demon with wings AND a huge red Targaryen banner to call back nazism AND her speech about conquering the entire world like she never, ever, ever said she'd want to do.
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Post by: KevShmev on July 04, 2019, 11:37:54 AM: Let me preface this by saying that this is not a defense of her decision to burn down King's Landing.

Now, while it is easy to say that she should have just flown to the Red Keep and taken down Cersei, I think she wanted to make sure Cersei would have no escape and die. By taking down the capital first, Cersei had nowhere to escape (Dany was unaware of the boat Tyrion had set up for Cersei and Jaime to escape in). Had she gone straight for the Red Keep, Cersie could have possibly slipped out and into the city and somehow gotten away while Drogon was finishing off the Red Keep. Plus, by forcing Cersei to see the capital being burned down to the ground, she defeated her mentally first before killing her physically when Drogon caused the Red Keep to collapse on Cersie (and Jaime) and kill her. I definitely think that was a big part of it, especially after Cersei had Dany's best friend's head chopped off right in front of her. She wanted Cersei to suffer first instead of giving her a quick death.

That is why I think Cersei's death was handled well. Sure, seeing Arya cut her throat would have been sweet, but Cersie went out mentally defeated, which was fitting for a villain who always prided herself (right or wrong) as being a thinker and strategist rather than a fighter.

I get that some may not agree. :)
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2019, 11:54:24 AM: Nah, while I still think that it's not the brightest idea to destroy all the city leaving the Red Keep for last, I can get behind the reasoning of "Look Cersei, your kingdom comes crashing down in flames, there's no escape".

Counter argument just for the sake of imagining scenes that didn't happen: it would have been still quite a blow if, with the Iron Fleet burning in the distance and the walls crumbling down, Cersei would have seen the dragon emerge from the smoke of the walls and then fly closer... and closer.... and closer.... and realizing that yes, it's coming for HER. And while this wasn't shown, she could have thought "I'm going down but the bitch is crazy, she will never be loved after this, I've lost but so did she". It could have been an actual reply to Qyburn, "Your grace, please, let's run away and keep you safe, the war is lost". "Lost? she's burning down the city. People will hate her for this. She lost too, wether she realizes it or not".

Also let's consider that King's Landing was her ancestral seat of rule - the Allies destroyed all of Berlin in WWII because they didn't care for Hitler, but I don't think that the crusaders would have considered methodically destroying Jerusalem brick by brick an acceptable option, since the whole purpouse was to win it back from the infidels. She might have wanted SOMETHING to rule upon. She probably didn't like the city plan and wanted to rebuild it anew since she was at it :lol
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Post by: soupytwist on July 12, 2019, 05:00:39 AM: It's crazy to think after all the build up on this show, both character and story wise - they basically wrapped it in 4 episodes (I consider the first 2 episodes of Season 8 as still building up).
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 12, 2019, 06:00:43 AM: I see it more as seven seasons with three bonus episodes. Tackle the first three at the end of Season 7, and you have a 10 episodes regular season that ends the White Walker threat. The three other episodes solve the Dany / Cersei thing.
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Post by: The Walrus on July 12, 2019, 07:43:32 AM: Lindsay Ellis recently put up a video analyzing Game of Thrones. She's incredibly good at making longform video essays and after watching this I started binging her channel. Well worth a watch if you have the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hys_m3BPTS8
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Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:11:34 AM: Despite some thinking he hated it, looks like Conleth Hill didn't after all... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-of-thrones-actor-blames-the-media-for-the-poor-response-to-its-final-season-183500780.html

And while I do not put a ton of stock into awards show, it was awesome to see it received a record number Emmy nominations for Season 8. Take that, haters. :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 22, 2019, 08:17:04 AM: Do they give Emmys for Biggest Rush To Finale?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on July 22, 2019, 08:20:09 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:11:34 AM
And while I do not put a ton of stock into awards show, it was awesome to see it received a record number Emmy nominations for Season 8. Take that, haters. :P
Well, almost all of them are either "technical" awards or those covering music, acting or directing, all of which were praised even by people who thought the writing was crap. So the number of awards is irrelevant from that perspective.

More relevant is the fact that like previous years, it still got nominated for Outstanding Drama Series and the finale for Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:21:36 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:11:34 AM
Despite some thinking he hated it, looks like Conleth Hill didn't after all... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-of-thrones-actor-blames-the-media-for-the-poor-response-to-its-final-season-183500780.html

And while I do not put a ton of stock into awards show, it was awesome to see it received a record number Emmy nominations for Season 8. Take that, haters. :P

“If it comes to an end, it’s gonna p*** you off no matter that because it’s the end."

I don't remember people being pissed when Breaking Bad wrapped up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:26:54 AM: Quote from: ariich on July 22, 2019, 08:20:09 AM
Well, almost all of them are either "technical" awards or those covering music, acting or directing, all of which were praised even by people who thought the writing was crap. So the number of awards is irrelevant from that perspective.

More relevant is the fact that like previous years, it still got nominated for Outstanding Drama Series and the finale for Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series.

For sure. I hope it wins both. :biggrin:

Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:21:36 AM

“If it comes to an end, it’s gonna p*** you off no matter that because it’s the end."

I don't remember people being pissed when Breaking Bad wrapped up.

That's because the ending to Breaking Bad was so awesome that only those who are certifiable wouldn't have liked it. ;)

In the case of Game of Thrones, the ending were merely "good" overall, not awesome, plus with a million arcs to wrap it up, it was literally impossible to make everyone happy since everyone had different ideas of how each character's story should end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 22, 2019, 08:34:40 AM: Wouldn't have been impossible had they not rushed the bejesus out of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on July 22, 2019, 08:35:34 AM: Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:21:36 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:11:34 AM
Despite some thinking he hated it, looks like Conleth Hill didn't after all... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-of-thrones-actor-blames-the-media-for-the-poor-response-to-its-final-season-183500780.html

And while I do not put a ton of stock into awards show, it was awesome to see it received a record number Emmy nominations for Season 8. Take that, haters. :P

“If it comes to an end, it’s gonna p*** you off no matter that because it’s the end."

I don't remember people being pissed when Breaking Bad wrapped up.

I think he's right In this instance. I've felt that people are mad because it didn't come to an end in THEIR way. The showrunners and writers were in a rock and a hard place. No matter what they did, people would hate it because it wasn't how they envisioned the show ending.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:40:54 AM: Quote from: Grappler on July 22, 2019, 08:35:34 AM

I think he's right In this instance. I've felt that people are mad because it didn't come to an end in THEIR way. The showrunners and writers were in a rock and a hard place. No matter what they did, people would hate it because it wasn't how they envisioned the show ending.

I mostly agree. I have always agreed that certain parts of the story could have been done better, and I do believe that criticism is legit, but I do think a lot of the over the top bitching is because people didn't get their way (which varied from person to person).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 22, 2019, 08:45:21 AM: I complain because it was all so rushed and the writing was sloppy and inconsistent. I would have accepted any kind of ending which made sense.

About the Emmys, they're probably gonna win everything, since it's gonna basically be a reward for the entire series. But I pray to the Seven, the Drowned God and the Lord of Light that GoT wins all the technical awards but NOT the ones about writing. I want D&D to realize that they were the problem, not the actors or the fans :lol

(Granted, some fans were really extreme so the fault is on them, but really, watch Chernobyl and watch GoT season 8 and don't tell me you don't notice the difference in the writing)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:52:13 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 22, 2019, 08:45:21 AM
I complain because it was all so rushed and the writing was sloppy and inconsistent. I would have accepted any kind of ending which made sense.

About the Emmys, they're probably gonna win everything, since it's gonna basically be a reward for the entire series. But I pray to the Seven, the Drowned God and the Lord of Light that GoT wins all the technical awards but NOT the ones about writing. I want D&D to realize that they were the problem, not the actors or the fans :lol

(Granted, some fans were really extreme so the fault is on them, but really, watch Chernobyl and watch GoT season 8 and don't tell me you don't notice the difference in the writing)

I still need to watch Chernobyl (I was going to last week, but On Demand only had some of the episodes on there, WTF?), but that is an unfair comparison since that was a 1-season only miniseries, while GoT was finishing the series in an 8th season. What other drama went this long (8 seasons or more) and was still as good as ever at the end? It is difficult to maintain an extremely high quality over that long of a run.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:58:06 AM: Quote from: Grappler on July 22, 2019, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:21:36 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:11:34 AM
Despite some thinking he hated it, looks like Conleth Hill didn't after all... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-of-thrones-actor-blames-the-media-for-the-poor-response-to-its-final-season-183500780.html

And while I do not put a ton of stock into awards show, it was awesome to see it received a record number Emmy nominations for Season 8. Take that, haters. :P

“If it comes to an end, it’s gonna p*** you off no matter that because it’s the end."

I don't remember people being pissed when Breaking Bad wrapped up.

I think he's right In this instance. I've felt that people are mad because it didn't come to an end in THEIR way. The showrunners and writers were in a rock and a hard place. No matter what they did, people would hate it because it wasn't how they envisioned the show ending.

I don't think that's it at all. People were mad because one of the greatest shows ever devolved into a rushed, cliche piece of trash. Nobody wanted to see Ned get beheaded, the Starks slaughtered at the red wedding, or Hodor getting torn limb from limb, but all of those episodes were rated 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. I don't think the way it ended is what pissed the majority of fans of, it was the phoning in of the last two season (the final one especially) to get there that got people up in arms. So many stories were completely abandoned. Characters started behaving in ways that made no sense. And the plot armor, something was missing early in this show and one of the reasons it was so great, was unbearable.

D&D fucked up so dad, I don't even feel like rewatching the show despite how good the majority of it was.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 22, 2019, 09:28:32 AM: Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:58:06 AM
D&D fucked up so dad, I don't even feel like rewatching the show despite how good the majority of it was.
Yeah, it's really just the impact of all the pieces coming together except the things the two of them were responsible for and it's absolutely inexcusable. If you like it now, imagine how much you would have liked it if someone actually cared to write a good season of the show, not just do the bare minimum so that they can get out of the project.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on July 22, 2019, 09:32:53 AM: Quote from: Grappler on July 22, 2019, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:21:36 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:11:34 AM
Despite some thinking he hated it, looks like Conleth Hill didn't after all... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-of-thrones-actor-blames-the-media-for-the-poor-response-to-its-final-season-183500780.html

And while I do not put a ton of stock into awards show, it was awesome to see it received a record number Emmy nominations for Season 8. Take that, haters. :P

“If it comes to an end, it’s gonna p*** you off no matter that because it’s the end."

I don't remember people being pissed when Breaking Bad wrapped up.

I think he's right In this instance. I've felt that people are mad because it didn't come to an end in THEIR way. The showrunners and writers were in a rock and a hard place. No matter what they did, people would hate it because it wasn't how they envisioned the show ending.

This is how I feel. People will get very invested into their fan theory and when it doesnt play out like they imagined they'll feel disappointed
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on July 22, 2019, 09:41:13 AM: Quote from: ReaperKK on July 22, 2019, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: Grappler on July 22, 2019, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:21:36 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:11:34 AM
Despite some thinking he hated it, looks like Conleth Hill didn't after all... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-of-thrones-actor-blames-the-media-for-the-poor-response-to-its-final-season-183500780.html

And while I do not put a ton of stock into awards show, it was awesome to see it received a record number Emmy nominations for Season 8. Take that, haters. :P

“If it comes to an end, it’s gonna p*** you off no matter that because it’s the end."

I don't remember people being pissed when Breaking Bad wrapped up.

I think he's right In this instance. I've felt that people are mad because it didn't come to an end in THEIR way. The showrunners and writers were in a rock and a hard place. No matter what they did, people would hate it because it wasn't how they envisioned the show ending.

This is how I feel. People will get very invested into their fan theory and when it doesnt play out like they imagined they'll feel disappointed

I let go and stopped reading all of the theories and stuff prior to the final season. I just wanted the show to take me on a journey. As a result, I didn't feel near the amount of disappointment that others felt. Yes, I would have liked a few different things, but I didn't let it bother me. I have a career, two kids, a home and other responsibilities that are more important than a TV show, even one of my favorite shows of all time. I can't change the show, so why bother getting all worked up over it? It's a phenomenal show and I'd rather enjoy it than feel down about it. So I let all of that personal investment go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on July 22, 2019, 09:42:08 AM: Quote from: ReaperKK on July 22, 2019, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: Grappler on July 22, 2019, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:21:36 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 08:11:34 AM
Despite some thinking he hated it, looks like Conleth Hill didn't after all... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-of-thrones-actor-blames-the-media-for-the-poor-response-to-its-final-season-183500780.html

And while I do not put a ton of stock into awards show, it was awesome to see it received a record number Emmy nominations for Season 8. Take that, haters. :P

“If it comes to an end, it’s gonna p*** you off no matter that because it’s the end."

I don't remember people being pissed when Breaking Bad wrapped up.

I think he's right In this instance. I've felt that people are mad because it didn't come to an end in THEIR way. The showrunners and writers were in a rock and a hard place. No matter what they did, people would hate it because it wasn't how they envisioned the show ending.

This is how I feel. People will get very invested into their fan theory and when it doesnt play out like they imagined they'll feel disappointed

But again, there were a million Breaking Bad fan theories that didn't play out. Where was the outrage then? Where was the disappointment?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 09:51:30 AM: Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 09:42:08 AM

But again, there were a million Breaking Bad fan theories that didn't play out. Where was the outrage then? Where was the disappointment?

Apples and oranges.

Breaking Bad had no more than a handful of characters in whom viewers were emotionally invested (Walt, Jesse, Hank), while Game of Thrones had like 85. :lol :lol

But, by all means keep calling the final season trash and proving my point that some fans are over the top with their criticism.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 22, 2019, 11:05:59 AM: I'm not considering myself over the top if I call trash the following things:

- Dany kinda forgetting about the Iron Fleet
- Said iron fleet being able to spot a flying target in the sky while not being seen by said target
- Three perfect shots to a flying target because a dragon had to die and 39457 missed shots when a dragon had to destroy King's Landing and therefore survive
- Arya, verbatim quote from the behind the scenes, "essentially jumping out of nowhere" to snipe the Night King
- A war council where the sentences "Cersei is losing allies by the hour" and "My enemies grow stronger" are uttered a minute apart (and those "allies lost" were the Iron Islands and Dorne, they weren't even in league with Cersei to begin with)
- The bells never meaning surrender (as per Blackwater episode), Tyrion deciding so, informing Jaimie about the plan and Jaimie failing to deliver the message.... and the people of King's Landing knowing about it anyway
- Arya's quote "I know a killer when I see one" after having literally witnessed Dany carpet bombing a whole town ("I just entered Auschwitz, beware of the nazi, I know a violent regime when I see one")
- Arya not dying 6 times during the burning of King's Landing
- Everyone not dying 6 times during the ~~Long Night~~ short siege of Winterfell
- Dothraki all dying (verbatim quote from the commentary, "What we're seeing is the end of the Dothraki") but respawning because the plot demands it
- Raising the issue of "Oh no, Dany can't use anymore freely her last remaining dragon" and then Dany using freely her last remaining dragon to conquer the city in 15 minutes (that's like giving the Joker a gun that can pierce the Batmobile glasses, and then Batman using freely the Batmobile while the Joker misses 587 times)
- Tyrion not being in the Song of Ice and Fire even though it's impossible to leave out of the chronicles the once and current Hand of the King, the accused killer of Joffrey and the actual killer of Tywin
- Greyworm being in the streets killing Lannister soldiers and then standing next to Dany in the next scene when Jon leaves him behind to go and see Dany

All of these if not real logic errors, are plot contrivances which stand out more considering how the series started. Other "dump popcorn flicks" can get away with it, but we went from the protagonist dying and his son being brutally massacred to every name character surviving being swarmed and trampled by hordes of wights.

Let's play Littlefinger's game, shall we?

Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, "How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?"

The worst reason for the two authors to deliver such a short and contrived season is that they got bored with it / didn't foresee they should have ended a story not yet finished, got offered sweet money from Disney to do Star Wars, and ended GoT as fast as possible to jump ship. That, for me, explains kinda well all the points above and the probably other 40-50 I kinda forgot.

Really, whenever you have a doubt for a plot point for the last season, try to answer all the doubts with "They did that because it was in the bullet points list that George Martin gave them, and so they went through the points regardless of the time it took to reach them organically". See how it's a good and logical answer for everything.

Then of course if someone likes it all for the better for them, it's not that their enjoyment is not valid because other people didn't like it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 22, 2019, 11:13:37 AM: MM is doing a great job pointing out the massive problems with the final season.

If anything, Dany watching a bolt come literally out of the direction she's looking at, right into one of her dragons... that is one of the chief mistakes of the season. They spend THE ENTIRE SHOW building up these dragons. And when you watch that scene, she's looking directly at where the bolt is coming from. And the bolt, when it enters the shot... it so half-assedly, lazily hits Rhaegal, yet blood is spraying everywhere like it was going a hundred miles an hour. That might be the single most egregious mistake in the entire season, and I call it a mistake because it just is not logically sound for that event to happen in that manner.

The fact that the finale got nominated for "best writing" is just utterly baffling. It was serviceable, and it got to the end well enough despite the hurried pace, but "best writing"? No f'ing way...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 12:30:59 PM: MirrorMask, I agree with some of your points, like the dragon getting killed by the Iron Fleet and Dany somehow not seeing them. I thought that was lazy writing when it happened, and I believe I said that here at the time (hard to remember). However, Drogon destroying the Iron Fleet later made sense because Dany dive bombed them from the sky after moving in above the clouds and when the sun was in their eyes, so she was on top of them to take them out before they could react.

However, I think the exact quote about Arya coming out of nowhere to kill the Night King was that she jumped off a pile of dead wights, and the show had shown numerous times what a silent assassin she had become, so that made total sense.

Not enough time to address the rest right now...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 22, 2019, 01:03:19 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 12:30:59 PM
MirrorMask, I agree with some of your points, like the dragon getting killed by the Iron Fleet and Dany somehow not seeing them. I thought that was lazy writing when it happened, and I believe I said that here at the time (hard to remember). However, Drogon destroying the Iron Fleet later made sense because Dany dive bombed them from the sky after moving in above the clouds and when the sun was in their eyes, so she was on top of them to take them out before they could react.

Yeah, the initial tactic was legit. But I saw a video that pointed out this stuff and it counted all the arrows that were indeed shot at Drogon, and all of them missing. It was an armed fleet, it's not like Euron's ship was the only one armed with scorpions - that way the Red Baron tactic would have been legit.

Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 12:30:59 PM
However, I think the exact quote about Arya coming out of nowhere to kill the Night King was that she jumped off a pile of dead wights, and the show had shown numerous times what a silent assassin she had become, so that made total sense.

Silent assassin? that's why she was screaming while plunging at the Night King? :lol

The "pile of wights" was written in the script, and we only learnt about it when The Last Watch was released. It was never seen in the episode (cue in joke about not really seeing anything) and even if you see some scattered bodies here and there on the ground, nowhere they pile up so high to justify Arya coming from so high.

I would have preferred if she was hidden in the tree, which btw should have been the heroes' plan all along. If you know, because of Bran's powers, that the Night King will 100% come for him, you should have a contingency plan - place Bran wherever you want and booby trap with dragonglass the hell out of that place. Leave aside selected archers whose sole mission is to snipe the Night King with dragonglass armed crossbows while being hidden.

Instead their plan was letting Reek and 20 sea rapists defend him. Worked brilliantly I'd say, if it was not for Arya :D (but this was more a stylstic / plot choice, I'm not gonna count it among the errors reported above)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 01:34:17 PM: I don't think we needed to see the pile of dead wights; not everything has to be so explicit.

As for the strategy, Jon was never that good at it, to be honest. He had lost the battle to Ramsay before the Knights of the Vale came in to make the save, and the entire battle plan for the Long Night was pretty flawed, although it's not easy to prepare for a battle vs the undead.

And while we can keep quibbling over plot points, it is worth noting that this is a show where one king was murdered by a shadow demon that had been birthed by a woman hundreds of years old. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 22, 2019, 02:11:18 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 22, 2019, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 12:30:59 PM
MirrorMask, I agree with some of your points, like the dragon getting killed by the Iron Fleet and Dany somehow not seeing them. I thought that was lazy writing when it happened, and I believe I said that here at the time (hard to remember). However, Drogon destroying the Iron Fleet later made sense because Dany dive bombed them from the sky after moving in above the clouds and when the sun was in their eyes, so she was on top of them to take them out before they could react.

Yeah, the initial tactic was legit. But I saw a video that pointed out this stuff and it counted all the arrows that were indeed shot at Drogon, and all of them missing. It was an armed fleet, it's not like Euron's ship was the only one armed with scorpions - that way the Red Baron tactic would have been legit.

Dany and Drogon laying waste to the Iron Fleet was awesome......and the strategy was perfect. Even though the use of the Sun wasn't during the entire assault....the fact remains that although the whole fleet was armed with the Scorpions.....in the heat of the battle like that, especially when Drogon and Dany are just pummeling the ships.....they won't be aiming 'true'.....those are scared....not well thought out shots being taken.

Dany and Drogon were pi$$ed....on a mission, focused and determined to kill every last one of them. The 'stories' of what one Full grown Dragon and well trained rider could do were there for a reason. Of all the things to 'nit pick' about S8 Dany and Drogon's annihilation of the Fleet and Kings Landing is not one of them. She and He were on a revenge mission....fueled by lost loves and there was nothing that was going to stop them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on July 22, 2019, 04:18:25 PM: Regarding the end of TV series in general, I always thought that Game Of Thrones ended up in the unenviable position of being both a TV show (with all the traits and constraints about what works and doesn't work in how to tell a story in that medium) and being the now sole vehicle for this grand saga and world that would be extremely difficult to fit into a TV series (and is looking like it might be too difficult to fit into a series of epic length novels that can actually be written).

There's a reason there's not many TV dramas with continuous stories that are hitting the peak of their powers in the 9th or 10th seasons. Most big TV shows with well recieved grand finales have something in common - bringing it to an end when the time is right, rather than spinning the wheels to keep the show going because it's currently profitable. People often mention that HBO was willing to renew Game Of Thrones for further seasons as evidence it was "wrong" to end it, but whether networks want to keep a show has everything to do with whether it's still profitable and nothing to do with whether it's the "right" moment for it to end from a story perspective. I'm sure AMC would have been happy to renew Breaking Bad as long as it was profitable, which could likely have been for a few more years after that series' end. Being willing to pull the trigger on the ending despite the fact the show was popular enough to be able to coast for a few more seasons is one of the reasons Breaking Bad had a great ending.

I've watched quite a lot of shows over the years, and all the strongest endings for dramas with strong continuity that I can think of at the moment are after about 5-7 seasons. It seems to me that's about the right length that a TV drama can execute its story without its tropes and tricks getting stale (and that's without even considering the behind the scenes difficulty of keeping the talent any longer). In fact most shows that go on any longer than that, even if they have a relatively decent finale, tend to feel a bit like they're being put out of their misery after going on too long past their best days. Breaking Bad had a good ending, but even in its final season you could see some of the holes that might develop if the show had to continue any longer (mild Breaking Bad spoilers in this sentence) e.g. the new organised criminal group that served as an antagonist was criticised for not being as memorable, interesting or believable as previous villains - fine for a single season where there are other more important things going on, but if it had been stretched out and we'd been forced to watch Walter White facing off against generic Neo-Nazis while implausibly managing to avoid being discovered as a crime boss for 2 more seasons, it would have got old real fast.

So what's my point regarding Game Of Thrones? Well, I think it shares many of the factors of other serial TV dramas that make bringing it to an end after 5-7 seasons a good idea. And if Game Of Thrones was just a "normal" TV show in terms of the story it had to tell, you can almost see how it could have went. After 4 seasons, some of the biggest conflicts have been resolved and some of the great antagonists are gone (Stark vs. Lannister conflict, Jeoffrey and Tywin dead). Many storylines collided or had climactic moments in the season, and lots of characters are at a natural lull or turning point in their journey (Jon held the Wall against the wildlings, Arya and Tyrion on ships to Essos, Daenerys completed her conquest of Slaver's Bay, etc.). So in the 5th season you have to introduce or focus on more new plots, new locations, new antagonists... and it's perhaps more of a mixed bag. Some new characters or locales don't quite land. Some storylines written to keep existing main characters close to the action feel contrived. It's not necessarily bad - there's still some good stuff, some GREAT stuff, but it's perhaps becoming clear that it will be hard to introduce new situations, characters and conflicts that will live up to the ones of previous seasons, and to juggle all the existing characters and keep giving them satisfying storylines.

Now in the "normal" TV drama landscape, I'd say that's when it's a good time to bring the series to a strong conclusion rather than draw it out. And in fact in Season 6 we see something like that. Some of the new story elements introduced in Season 5 quickly "cut to the chase" and allowed the story to contract. We get some big twists and reveals that have clearly been in the chamber for a long time. Some of the new storylines might still feel somewhat lacklustre or rushed, but for the most part it's easy to not be bothered by that because the characters are hurtling towards the climactic moments of the conflicts and problems they have been dealing with for the past few seasons. And in the last couple of episodes, most of the major characters confront these conflicts in direct, epic and incendiary fashion. We get brilliant, action packed, suspenseful TV, with excellent moments of fan satisfaction, a mystery that's central to two of the main characters (past and present) throughout the series is revealed, and an event that the audience had been waiting for and several main characters had been striving for finally occurs. The show ends with two of the best recieved episodes of TV ever. Wow. What a finish, showrunners take your place among the exalted creators that know how to end a show with a bang!

...except of course that wasn't the end of the show. "It couldn't be!" you might say, but why not? For most shows, if they make the last episode suitably climactic and tie up most of the immediate storylines, then that could just be the end of the show. Well, that's what I meant about Game Of Thrones being something other than just a TV show in terms of what story it has to tell (and why I said it wasn't a "normal" TV show in that respect). It didn't have to just tell a story that satisfied on its own terms in a TV series format, but was now the sole vessel for delivering the conclusion of a saga that exists only in GRRM's head and some sparse cliff notes he gave the showrunners. If you think about it, not many other shows are burdened with that sort of "responsibility" of absolutely having to complete a storyline that wasn't created purely for the show. It would be like a historical drama reaching the point where it's a good point for that particular show to come to an end, but having to continue because it hadn't "completed history" yet.

Game Of Thrones is basically a TV drama that followed a TV show drama cycle basically as well as any I've ever seen, but then also gave its best shot at portraying an ending to an epic saga that really probably requires several more books to be done proper justice (if it can even be done). I know describing it like that might paint a pretty bleak picture of Season 7 and 8, and I'm not trying to say they aren't great in themselves. But that bleak picture does put in perspective a bit some of the limitations of those seasons and of the ending to the show in general. Now I think that even considering their plan for the ending they could have structured and paced it a bit differently across the two seasons, but I think dragging the show for several more seasons without the quality suffering even more is a pipe dream, and I think even if it did go on longer it still wouldn't be anywhere near the optimal amount of space to fit the complete conclusion to ASOIAF so it would always face similar problems at the end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 05:51:11 PM: Great post!

I don't think it's a coincidence that the dramas often thought of to have had awesome finales and/or final seasons (Breaking Bad, Six Feet Under, etc.) were not ones that went more than 5 seasons. It is not easy to keep up that consistency over the long haul. Hell, even the Sopranos struggled quite a bit in its last two seasons (6a and 6b), and I'd call that the 2nd best drama ever (and many call it the best).

Even if you think the last season or two was trash or whatever, it seems unfair to blame the writers. Once they ran out of source material, they basically had to write the bulk of it on their own, and it seems unfair to knock them for not being as good a writers as GRRM is.

I know will some say, "Blah, blah, Season 8 was still trash, blah, blah," but I think you have to consider all factors. I will repeat myself for the 188th time and say that I wish Season 8 had been better, but it was still good overall; it just wasn't great.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 23, 2019, 06:43:27 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on July 22, 2019, 04:18:25 PM
Regarding the end of TV series in general, I always thought that Game Of Thrones ended up in the unenviable position of being both a TV show (with all the traits and constraints about what works and doesn't work in how to tell a story in that medium) and being the now sole vehicle for this grand saga and world that would be extremely difficult to fit into a TV series (and is looking like it might be too difficult to fit into a series of epic length novels that can actually be written).
GRRM was a TV writer, and when he set out to write a fantasy epic, he wanted to write something that was completely unadaptable and unfilmable, unlike his horror and other fantasy works. D&D convinced him that it would work out with modern technology and TV audiences getting used to watching sprawling TV series, HBO threw money at them, and all three parties are ultimately very happy with the outcome. The fans aren't happy. I understand the need to go against the wave, look for the good in the bad, and deconstruct the circle jerk of GOT ENDING BAD that's currently going on, but the displeasure of the fans is absolutely unprecedented, and I think any unbiased person will have to agree there has been a significant dip in quality even compared to the previous three seasons, let alone the first four.

We can disagree on the logic of the events - though I don't see why we would, when we have black-on-white evidence for their logic being "Dany kinda... forgot about the Iron Fleet" and "Arya comes essentially out of nowhere because we decided that's the coolest option". Not to mention the endlessly self-respawning Dothraki, which almost makes it look like three different people wrote their episodes and didn't even check to see what the others wrote before them. My biggest gripe with the last season is that they really upped the ante on giving actors they like ~big character moments~.

Ned got beheaded by a petulant boy king, Tywin was shot while he was on the toilet, and Robert got killed by a freakin' boar, but a pre-teen girl has to be evenly matched with a goddamn giant for several seconds and survive an almost certainly lethal blow for a bit, because she has to have "a great death". She would have been insta-pancaked by that thing in any season before this, because Game of Thrones isn't a regular fantasy series.

Arya can get the big kill and then be the person on the ground to witness the destruction of KL when even the horse she rode out on would have been the more emotional choice - but then Arya doesn't get so many minutes of action and scared-acting, and doesn't get to deliver her big killer line, which they probably thought was super badass.

The books are setting up pretty much anyone but Cersei to be the late game human villain, but D&D like Lena Headey so much that they want to keep her when all logic has expired, literally creating the problem of "why doesn't Dany just roll up there and one-shot incinerate the queen with basically zero allies who everyone should be hating" that they've been trying to solve unsuccessfully for two seasons. They gave her a crown she shouldn't have after her boy died, money she shouldn't have to buy mercenaries and peasants that should be revolting still on her side just to keep her in the iron seat. Yeah, the last book got a lot of shit for setting up new characters that will fuck shit up in King's Landing before Dany gets there, but it turns out that without a popular person to rule on some sort of precedent and new alliances being forged, you have a power vacuum that can only naturally be used by a person rolling in with a professional army, a savage army and three freakin' dragons.

Bronn is popular, so we'll have him teleporting from place to place impotently threatening other people and give him something in the end so that the people who like him can smirk and say "lol that's my boy Bronn for ya". The character who didn't know what a loan was in season 3 gets to control the kingdom's money.

On the contrary, the person who they know is the future king of all of Westeros gets left out of one season of the show entirely and then has a bare minimum of lines in the final season, when he should be the most important person there. Just because D&D aren't fans of magic, don't like writing any storylines directly connected to it, and aren't all that into Bran's character. Reading just one Bran chapter beyond the Wall would probably blow the minds of people who think portraying him like this is inevitable, but we agreed not to talk about the books.

The real Jon Snow would have had some Thoughts about all the shit that transpired. He is a clever, resourceful guy with a big heart, always guided by the teachings of his mentors, but not afraid to bend the rules a tad more than Ned, and that's why he is valued as a leader. And his death will probably change him, making him more guided by primal instinct, and angrier. But the only side of Jon D&D like is his broody side, and they like the "you know nothing, Jon Snow" meme so they will build up all other characters as strategists and leaders at his expense, and then write two lines for him to alternate in the final season of the show. Forget about Jon of the books, the Jon of the first few seasons would hardly recognize this guy. His final tragic act of transgression is flattened, because how can you not kill Hitler with a dragon who just needlessly killed half a million people. Instead of a controversial choice, it was an inevitability.

I don't wanna talk about Tyrion and Varys :-X
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 23, 2019, 07:13:50 AM: Great posts from RuRoRul and Moira (you're preaching to the converted here Moira :D)

Quote from: KevShmev on July 22, 2019, 05:51:11 PM
Even if you think the last season or two was trash or whatever, it seems unfair to blame the writers. Once they ran out of source material, they basically had to write the bulk of it on their own, and it seems unfair to knock them for not being as good a writers as GRRM is.

I guess in principle we all agree this. We just have different opinions on what qualifies as "not good as GRRM", what as "not great, not terrible", and what as "geez you really did phone it in uh?"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on July 24, 2019, 04:28:07 AM: There seems to be some revision going on with GoT now it's concluded. A lot of complaints that the show lost it's way once it overtook GRRM novels and the last TWO seasons are trash. I recall a few complaints over one episode in Season 7 whereby Dany's got to rescue the party in the north via teleporting - but that was mostly forgiven, by a strong finale. The general concensus pre Season 8 was that it was infact Season 5 that was the weak Season. Even the first two episodes of Season 8 got good reviews and feedback - it wasn't until Anya took down the Nightking that the backlash started.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2019, 04:43:17 AM: Season 7 was subpar just as Season 8, but most didn't realize it at the time because it had legitimate awesome moments (more characters interacting, the action really getting on, memorable and kickass scenes such Olenna's end and Dany's attack) and, most of all, the hope and promise of a good ending. I absolutely disliked the episode Beyond the Wall but the anticipation and hope for a strong final six episodes were enough to overlook it. How can you be bitter when the final shot of the season is the Night King tearing down the wall with an ice dragon and the undead marching in? we were finally ready for the fireworks.

As I previously said, we were finally getting World War II as promised for 8 years. It's when Hitler got shanked the moment he entered Poland that, as you said, the backlash started.

Season 5 was also inferior but at least it had Hardhome. Season 6 was a return to form, not perfect but Battle of the Bastards (annoying Rohirrim ripoff moment aside) and especially The Winds of Winter really elevated the season. The entire initial sequence of The Winds of Winter with Light of the Seven playing out is one of the top moments of the entire series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 05:03:29 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on July 24, 2019, 04:28:07 AM
There seems to be some revision going on with GoT now it's concluded. A lot of complaints that the show lost it's way once it overtook GRRM novels and the last TWO seasons are trash. I recall a few complaints over one episode in Season 7 whereby Dany's got to rescue the party in the north via teleporting - but that was mostly forgiven, by a strong finale. The general concensus pre Season 8 was that it was infact Season 5 that was the weak Season. Even the first two episodes of Season 8 got good reviews and feedback - it wasn't until Anya took down the Nightking that the backlash started.
I agree with this. Season 5 was weak. Seasons 6 and 7 had their flaws and the writing quality wasn't up to the first four seasons, but they were still solid, had amazing highs, and the overall narrative still felt exciting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on July 24, 2019, 11:19:59 AM: ^ what he said, I thought it was well known season 5 was a clunker which timed with GRRM leaving, they were able to do pretty solid seasons in 6 and 7 though although it was clear the writing took a major step down. I don't think there's any revision going on from what I've known/saw/expressed myself in real time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 24, 2019, 12:34:09 PM: I think season 6 was the best post-book-material season of the show. It was massive, it was satisfying to watch, and logically most of the events made sense. There's maybe a couple things I had serious issue with and I think they were minor... which season had the 'bad pussy' line? :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2019, 12:47:17 PM: Season 5, I assume the last episode because they were saying farewell and that's when Myrcella was kiss-poisoned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 01:31:19 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on July 24, 2019, 11:19:59 AM
^ what he said, I thought it was well known season 5 was a clunker which timed with GRRM leaving, they were able to do pretty solid seasons in 6 and 7 though although it was clear the writing took a major step down. I don't think there's any revision going on from what I've known/saw/expressed myself in real time.
Interesting question as to whether there's revisionism going on. Maybe the people saying the last two seasons were awful always said that about season 7 at the time, they were just in a small minority at that stage so the general overall attitude was closer to what you and I and soupy are expressing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 01:32:48 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on July 24, 2019, 12:47:17 PM
Season 5, I assume the last episode because they were saying farewell and that's when Myrcella was kiss-poisoned.
Oh god, the Dorne plot was the worst part of season 5. I remember after the also-awful first episode of season 6 I wasn't sure whether the show had just gone off the rails or if they needed to quickly kill off the whole Dorne thread. Ended up thankfully being the latter the show was mostly back on form for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 01:33:42 PM: I wonder how much of how people reacted (at the time) to seasons 5-7 are, at least partially, due to the fact that people knew it would keep going. There is always the "well....maybe this will lead to something" or "maybe this will get better next season" or even "They don't have to do XYZ this year, so I'm fine with what we got" and then with season 8, there's none of that. We know it's the end. No chance to improve, no chance to get back to things that were strangely dropped, no chance for steering things back on track.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 24, 2019, 01:40:06 PM: Quote from: Adami on July 24, 2019, 01:33:42 PM
I wonder how much of how people reacted (at the time) to seasons 5-7 are, at least partially, due to the fact that people knew it would keep going. There is always the "well....maybe this will lead to something" or "maybe this will get better next season" or even "They don't have to do XYZ this year, so I'm fine with what we got" and then with season 8, there's none of that. We know it's the end. No chance to improve, no chance to get back to things that were strangely dropped, no chance for steering things back on track.

Just a thought.

That was my mentality. Season 5 was the first season I could jump in and be part of the conversation from week to week, and although I hadn't read the books and people were crapping on season 5's quality, I was optimistic because there was still plenty of show left. But after The Long Night in season 8, I couldn't find any of that optimism. It was just a weekly wait for the finale; the sets were destroyed, the actors long gone, etc. No hope to course correct. So even though I think season 5 was worse than season 8 (from the viewpoint that at least season 8 had a bunch of entertaining visuals and fighting), season 5 at least gave me some hope for the next season. Season 8 just made me sad.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 02:10:19 PM: Quote from: Adami on July 24, 2019, 01:33:42 PM
I wonder how much of how people reacted (at the time) to seasons 5-7 are, at least partially, due to the fact that people knew it would keep going. There is always the "well....maybe this will lead to something" or "maybe this will get better next season" or even "They don't have to do XYZ this year, so I'm fine with what we got" and then with season 8, there's none of that. We know it's the end. No chance to improve, no chance to get back to things that were strangely dropped, no chance for steering things back on track.

Just a thought.
Hmm, could be a factor. It's not like that for me but it's something similar/related. Up to and including season 7 there was always lots of setting up, as you'd expect with any show. It was entertaining, it was gripping, and there was a sense of mystery because we didn't know where it would go or how all these huge arcs would come together. For me, the big let down in season 8 was that those big arcs didn't come together at all really. Like Katt says, after The Long Night it felt a bit like so much of the set up that had thrilled and excited many of us didn't actually mean anything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2019, 03:15:50 PM: Quote from: Adami on July 24, 2019, 01:33:42 PM
I wonder how much of how people reacted (at the time) to seasons 5-7 are, at least partially, due to the fact that people knew it would keep going. There is always the "well....maybe this will lead to something" or "maybe this will get better next season" or even "They don't have to do XYZ this year, so I'm fine with what we got" and then with season 8, there's none of that. We know it's the end. No chance to improve, no chance to get back to things that were strangely dropped, no chance for steering things back on track.

Exactly this. As I said, the hope for a good ending and the investment in the storylines keep people going on and make them overlook the least good stuff.

Now we know that Beyond the Wall was just a harbringer of things to come - all flashy shocking moments and no substance or plot development behind it. The episode is as bad (where bad stands for "We went from the deep intricacy and relative realism of the first four seasons to mediocre Hollywood action movies where appearance is more important than substance") as The Long Night and The Bells, but we couldn't know at the time, and we were all bracing for a great ending. Had we got it, we would have said "Well, season 7 had a bit too many hollywoodish moments but MAN did they step it up for the final season", just as we all more or less agree that Season 6 was a great improvement over Season 5. But now we see that all the key ingredients for Season 8's debacle were right there.

Just imagine that after Falling Into Infinity DT went full commercial and hired Desmond Child to write half the album - looking back we would have realized that You Not Me was just a sign of things to come, but instead we got SFAM and Jordan and they got rid of the label involvement so who cares about You Not Me, it was just one song. (And for the record, I actually like it :D )
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 16, 2019, 01:56:44 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGr0NRx3TKU

Lindsay Ellis is a YouTuber who makes very compelling, entertaining, and educational videos analyzing pop culture and the themes, background issues, etc. of choice works. She is an infrequent uploader but the quality of her videos makes the wait worthwhile. This is an hour-long video, just uploaded a few days ago, serving as part 2 of a GoT post-mortem. It's well worth watching for any fan of the show who has passionate feelings about seasons 7 and (especially) 8.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 16, 2019, 04:11:03 PM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on July 22, 2019, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:58:06 AM
D&D fucked up so dad, I don't even feel like rewatching the show despite how good the majority of it was.
Yeah, it's really just the impact of all the pieces coming together except the things the two of them were responsible for and it's absolutely inexcusable. If you like it now, imagine how much you would have liked it if someone actually cared to write a good season of the show, not just do the bare minimum so that they can get out of the project.

+1
Problem is that it even significantly reduced my anticipation for The Winds of Winter. I spent years with an unshakeable excitement level about it but not so much anymore.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 17, 2019, 01:45:09 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on August 16, 2019, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on July 22, 2019, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: Chino on July 22, 2019, 08:58:06 AM
D&D fucked up so dad, I don't even feel like rewatching the show despite how good the majority of it was.
Yeah, it's really just the impact of all the pieces coming together except the things the two of them were responsible for and it's absolutely inexcusable. If you like it now, imagine how much you would have liked it if someone actually cared to write a good season of the show, not just do the bare minimum so that they can get out of the project.

+1
Problem is that it even significantly reduced my anticipation for The Winds of Winter. I spent years with an unshakeable excitement level about it but not so much anymore.
Yea i'm in the same boat. I was SO excited for the last season and the buildup from season 1 until S8 has been full of excitment but once I finished the season I couldn't feel actually anything despite this being one of my favourite shows ever which really bummed me out. I kind of just left the show whithout feeling any urge to even write in this thread.

The last episode has 4.2 on imdb, such a sad ending to one of the greatest TV shows ever. :'(

I will say this though, Jon putting a knife in Daenerys was really emotional for me so I was pleased to feel some kind of emotions.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 17, 2019, 12:18:31 PM: Why would the show damper your anticipation for The Winds of Winter? the plot of the books is already vastly different from that of the show, and the endings of the show will make sense with 7000+ pages of explanation for the plot and the characters' choices. If at all, you should be MORE excited for the books if the show ending wasn't up to par!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 17, 2019, 12:39:53 PM: I atleast was only talking about the show not the upcoming book, haven't read any of the books for that matter.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on August 17, 2019, 01:19:42 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 17, 2019, 12:18:31 PM
Why would the show damper your anticipation for The Winds of Winter? the plot of the books is already vastly different from that of the show, and the endings of the show will make sense with 7000+ pages of explanation for the plot and the characters' choices. If at all, you should be MORE excited for the books if the show ending wasn't up to par!

Logically, you're a 100% right. It's just the overall turnoff to that universe this season has caused me.
I'm sure that will change eventually though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 17, 2019, 04:10:54 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on August 17, 2019, 12:18:31 PM
Why would the show damper your anticipation for The Winds of Winter? the plot of the books is already vastly different from that of the show, and the endings of the show will make sense with 7000+ pages of explanation for the plot and the characters' choices. If at all, you should be MORE excited for the books if the show ending wasn't up to par!

The plot as a whole might be different but GRRM himself said the biggest moments of the show's ending is pretty much what the ending of the books is going to be, so I could understand why some people would have their hype deflated. The next two books are essentially spoiled for a lot of them now, since they know what's going to happen, it's just going to take 7000+ pages to get there, as opposed to having no idea what was going to happen up until now. And with the way the show executed it that just kind of butchers the excitement more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 17, 2019, 04:48:52 PM: Oh well, I can see your point. Probably, in a scenario where Lord of the Rings is unfinished and after The Two Towers people got only a mess of a third movie, many would go "...meh, the hell was that thing about Gollum slipping accidentally into the volcano, what's the point of reading Return of the King when it comes out". But still RotK (thid part of the Lord of the Rings book I mean) is awesome!

I wonder why they wanted to end at all costs like GRRM told them, however. Probably a mix of wanting to be true to the story, and having a defense - "Hey, don't blame us, that's the actual ending he told us!". Still, after all the inevitable and often understandable choices to alter, streamline and simplify the gigantic plot, why not doing your own thing? see the stories you have left and follow them through to their logical conclusions, some guys win, some guys lose, it was almost impossible to screw up the ending.... if you're flying a plane to a destination, and then you change the route, but at the last minute you decide you want to steer the plane to the original airport it was intended to fly, no wonder you crash it into the mountains rather than successfully landing it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 05, 2019, 05:48:55 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on August 17, 2019, 04:10:54 PM
The next two books are essentially spoiled for a lot of them now, since they know what's going to happen, it's just going to take 7000+ pages to get there, as opposed to having no idea what was going to happen up until now. And with the way the show executed it that just kind of butchers the excitement more.
I used to think like this, but honestly, now I'm even more excited.

1. Starting with the major beats: Dany attacks KL, Jon kills Dany, Bran becomes king. Drogon still isn't the size he is in the show, so if he doesn't grow drastically, it's likely that the major damage to KL will come from them setting off the wildfire caches that are still all over the city - the ones Tyrion knows about. Which changes the dynamics somewhat, and makes all three of their stories much more interesting. We still don't know how the heck Bran becomes King, and where he will be seated. Maybe there is a major council, or maybe everyone bows to the Greenseer King who defeated The Others wherever he goes...

2. Jaime and Cersei die in embrace - fine, whatever. Probably not from a wall falling down on them. Maybe not in King's Landing at all.

3. The politics - the show made it seem like the rest of Westeros is a bunch of pawns waiting to be moved around in seasons 7 and 8. But this in not the case. The Tyrells, the Dornish, the Golden Company faction with [book-only character], and the Ironborn (with one magic-wielding Ironborn - idk if he was in the show at all, his name is Euron :P) are all moving and plotting to fuck everyone's shit up, which will almost certainly drastically change the situation in King's Landing by the time Dany comes knocking.

4. The entire northern ice magic plot. We haven't seen how the Wall falls in the books. We seriously haven't seen how The Others are actually defeated. The Long Night will not be an inconveniently dark December afternoon.

5. Character details, logistics details. This is where everything gets even more fuzzy.

Jon doesn't get to just wake up and be normal, with a few cute scars on his torso. His story almost definitely ends somewhere in the North, like the show said, and the other Stark endings seem logical, more or less. The show ends in a super progressive way, with none of the Stark kids gaining permanent love matches - but this doesn't fly in Westeros, and especially not with characters who have already been shown to dream about marriage and family. Expect love matches for Sansa and Jon at the very least. I wanna see Jon with Val in the end :heart and speaking of marriage, the question of political marriage between Jon and Dany will be on the table for a lot longer than it was in the show, unless she matches up with someone else before he becomes Lord Stark of Winterfell.

Tyrion literally isn't the same guy already in book 5, so his character path to redemption as hand of the King is still unclear.

How do Dany's armies and dragons get out of Westeros after her death? Idk, sure isn't by offering a crappy deal to GW and Drogon reaching an understanding of things and getting the fuck out on his own.

What is the Night Watch watching in the end?

6. The other magical details. So many questions about the magical nature of the seasons, fire magic, weirwood magic, ancient legends, they will likely not be answered completely in the books, but they will certainly receive more consideration. I look at the ancient prophecies and legends through the lens of mythical astronomy (https://lucifermeanslightbringer.com/), I think that's likely the right way of looking at Azor Ahai and everything else, but for everyone who wants to debate about who really was Azor Ahai reborn and how these different things work, George is likely going to be inserting some clever nuggets all throughout the next two books. The red priests aren't going to fade away because "their mission is done" like they did in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on September 23, 2019, 08:16:22 AM: So, Emmy time: Game of Thrones won as a whole for best drama series (surely a "carrer achievement" kind of award, like when Return of the King won Oscars ideally for all the trilogy), and Peter Dinklage won as best supporting actor.

No victory for the script for the Iron Throne however. Well (not) deserved.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on September 23, 2019, 08:27:13 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on September 23, 2019, 08:16:22 AM
So, Emmy time: Game of Thrones won as a whole for best drama series (surely a "carrer achievement" kind of award, like when Return of the King won Oscars ideally for all the trilogy), and Peter Dinklage won as best supporting actor.

No victory for the script for the Iron Throne however. Well (not) deserved.

FYI - Game of Thrones won the Best Drama award 3 times previously (for Seasons 5 [2015], 6 [2016], and 7 [2018]). But yes, I agree that the intent was more of an honor to the full series reaching its ending and the scope of it's ending.

It's one of only a few series ever that has been nominated for the Best Drama award for every single season that it aired.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 23, 2019, 08:28:30 AM: With time now to have reflected a bit on this final season, while I wasn't on the bash train of it and enjoyed it.....and don't disagree in concept of how things shook out.....the compressed episodes really did hamper this story.

They needed to detail and portray Dany's evolution to 'evil' Dany over more time/episodes. While we all 'knew' why she ended up where she did......when compared to the rest of the series she wasn't allowed to get there in the same manner other characters were allowed to get to their destinations. The compressed episodes rendered the whole Jon being the true heir and a Targaryn pointless as it had little effect on the outcome because we literally got one scene of Dany being mad and threatened about that. Should have been much more of a big deal than it came across as.

Again, I like the show.....didn't mind the choices they made.....just am super ticked at the producers and even the actors/actresses for essentially getting bored with the show and taking the quick way out in lieu of finishing strong and putting the time in that the series needed to do it justice.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on September 23, 2019, 11:15:24 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on September 23, 2019, 08:28:30 AM
Again, I like the show.....didn't mind the choices they made.....just am super ticked at the producers and even the actors/actresses for essentially getting bored with the show and taking the quick way out in lieu of finishing strong and putting the time in that the series needed to do it justice.

I would take the actors/actresses out of the equation. They work with what they are given - Nicolaj Coster Waldau explained this at one comic con this summer, softly childing the fans that the actors have a group chat going and the harsh criticism from fans was actually affecting these actors that put their blood, sweat and tears into these characters for us.

I never jumped onto the hate train this year and just enjoyed the ride that the show took me on each week. I have my opinions and arguing with other fans isn't going to change them, nor am I really going to change others'. But for fans to blame the actors for whatever shortcomings they perceive the show to have is pretty low.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on September 23, 2019, 11:22:16 AM: To be fair, 99% of the criticism I've seen was directed at the writing, I can't remember reading that this actor or that actress played bad a part or ruined a scene.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on September 23, 2019, 11:25:10 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on September 23, 2019, 11:22:16 AM
To be fair, 99% of the criticism I've seen was directed at the writing, I can't remember reading that this actor or that actress played bad a part or ruined a scene.

Euron Greyjoy and his actor got a lot of crap in season 8, especially episode 5. Hard to think of another actor who got so much crap though. I guess maybe Kit because all he said was "I dun wannit" and "She. Is. Mah. Queen."
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 23, 2019, 12:19:40 PM: Quote from: Grappler on September 23, 2019, 11:15:24 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on September 23, 2019, 08:28:30 AM
Again, I like the show.....didn't mind the choices they made.....just am super ticked at the producers and even the actors/actresses for essentially getting bored with the show and taking the quick way out in lieu of finishing strong and putting the time in that the series needed to do it justice.

I would take the actors/actresses out of the equation. They work with what they are given - Nicolaj Coster Waldau explained this at one comic con this summer, softly childing the fans that the actors have a group chat going and the harsh criticism from fans was actually affecting these actors that put their blood, sweat and tears into these characters for us.

I never jumped onto the hate train this year and just enjoyed the ride that the show took me on each week. I have my opinions and arguing with other fans isn't going to change them, nor am I really going to change others'. But for fans to blame the actors for whatever shortcomings they perceive the show to have is pretty low.

I'm not talking about the performances. The performances were on point as usual. BUT...there were a few articles out there that spoke to the effect of a few of them were essentially 'over' the show and wanted to move on to other projects. That the show limited them and they didn't want to invest the time it took to shoot full seasons. That was a contributing factor to the two shorter seasons.

I understand that completely, but they also had to know that was going to affect the storytelling and their characters. Especially Emile Clarke. She's one of the ones who reportedly was wanting to move on to other things yet she was also upset at how quickly Dany 'changed' and that they didn't get a chance to really let her evolve into evil Dany. Can't have it both ways.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 23, 2019, 02:15:33 PM: Yeah, but regardless of how they felt about that, they don't produce, write, or direct the show.
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Post by: faizoff on September 23, 2019, 08:22:17 PM: On a slightly different GoT note, I went to the Game of Thrones Live concert experience last night and I'm so glad I went. If you're a fan of the music of the show, the concert is a fantastic opportunity to listen to the orchestra play it live. It's an almost 2 1/2 hour concert and honestly, I had goosebumps the entire time.

The first half of the show is centered around the first six seasons with footage being shown from a character perspective and the music scored to that footage with musical pieces that were scored for that character or used their motifs. I'm really glad they did it this way rather than just play the tracks live from the soundtrack, it kept things super interesting. The orchestra played great, they had a lead violinist, cello player and a vocalist who were all just phenomenal. The percussionists were amazing as well.

They played a few tracks straight through and probably the highlight of the night was hearing the tracks Light of the Seven and the Night King. The arrangement on Night King was changed a little bit and it killed with the added choir parts. There's a track on the soundtrack that wasn't used in the show called Not Today and it's essentially a choir version of the Night King.

They ended up with my favorite two tracks of Season 8, The Last of the Starks and Song of Ice and Fire. They did mess up a bit on the last song with the key change but still overall was an all out amazing show. I really wish I had seen the previous two concerts.

Each piece was intense as they added a lot of practical effects with pyro, snow, smoke and synchronized lights. It really added to the presentation.

I initially was a little disappointed to learn that Ramin Djawadi himself wasn't there to conduct the orchestra, his substitute was quite good too. Turns out Ramin is only playing a few dates this tour.

I also hope they are able to bring some of the episodes to a theater sometime. I know the last season was divisive but they would sound and look amazing on the big screen.
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Post by: MirrorMask on September 24, 2019, 01:07:16 AM: Light of the Seven and The Night King alone should be worth the price of admission :metal

Did they have as encore a rock version of The Bear and the Maiden Fair? :biggrin:
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Post by: faizoff on September 24, 2019, 07:56:26 AM: Now that would be some encore ;)
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Post by: 1upmushroom on September 24, 2019, 08:53:27 PM: I'd love to hear a prog version of Jenny of Oldstones, for that matter.
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Post by: faizoff on September 25, 2019, 06:45:35 AM: They played Jenny of Oldstones with lyrics and it was great, that vocalist was amazing, she had awesome pipes.

If I remember correctly think these tracks were played in full

Goodbye Brother
Rains of Castamere
Jenny of Oldstones
Needle
Home
Truth
Light of The Seven
The Night King
The Last of the Starks
A song of Ice and Fire
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Post by: Chino on September 30, 2019, 07:27:55 AM: (https://preview.redd.it/ljb5tybrflp31.jpg?width=741&auto=webp&s=5a4403e1b8d25124da8f7cd66e3f132c7aff62ce)
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 28, 2019, 06:07:28 AM: David and Dan finally speak, reveal all sorts of things that I honestly expected them to never be honest about at a small panel (https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102).

These quotes are extremely telling:
"David is describing the pre-meeting with GRRM who was questioning their bona fides and “we didn’t really have any.” We had never done TV and we didn’t have any. We don’t know why he trusted us with his life’s work.”

"The moderator asked why they chose to write all the episodes by themselves: “Because we didn’t know better.”"

"Dan wanted to remove as many fantasy elements as possible bc “we didn’t just want to appeal to that type of fan.” They wanted to expand the fan base to people beyond the fantasy fan base to “mothers, NFL players”..." !!!

"Did you really sit down and try to boil the elements of the books down? Did you really try to understand it’s major elements.

- No. We didn’t. The scope was too big. It was about the scenes we were trying to depict and the show was about power."

But the entire thread is worth a read.
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Post by: Zantera on October 28, 2019, 07:32:41 AM: I wish I could say I'm surprised but honestly for as great as the show started and the level it maintained for 4-5 seasons, the ending definitely felt like it was made by someone who had no idea what they were doing.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 28, 2019, 07:48:22 AM: Count me in the "not surprised" too. After the Red Wedding, their mission since day 1 and the reason they wanted to do the series in the first place, they lost the plot and probably the interest. The lack of source material did not help. They should have stayed on an executive producers or something and let the series be written by Cogman or someone else.

After some months, I'm really over it, I have to say. I lost interest in looking back to it all. Sure I'll watch the spinoff and everything Westeros related, but the passion is no longer there. At first I was "angry", now I'm just meh. So Game of Thrones ended bad... whatever. I'm totally over it and it's a pity, the potential for a smash hit and a great home run was there.
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Post by: Zantera on October 28, 2019, 07:59:11 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 28, 2019, 07:48:22 AM
Count me in the "not surprised" too. After the Red Wedding, their mission since day 1 and the reason they wanted to do the series in the first place, they lost the plot and probably the interest. The lack of source material did not help. They should have stayed on an executive producers or something and let the series be written by Cogman or someone else.

After some months, I'm really over it, I have to say. I lost interest in looking back to it all. Sure I'll watch the spinoff and everything Westeros related, but the passion is no longer there. At first I was "angry", now I'm just meh. So Game of Thrones ended bad... whatever. I'm totally over it and it's a pity, the potential for a smash hit and a great home run was there.

I'm pretty much in the same boat! If the earlier seasons of GoT was like LotR for me, the last 2 or 3 seasons were more like the Hobbit movies. It did sour the overall experience a bit but the earlier seasons were still great and the universe as a whole has loads of potential.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 28, 2019, 07:59:50 AM: Really, what kills me is that they keep stressing that they "gave up ten years of their life to do this". No, you got paid millions to do a ten-year internship in how to do your dream job at the highest possible level. A lot of people would give anything for that opportunity, and these two think they deserved to run a show of this magnitude on their own just because they were successful at pitching it at the right time. Hearing them describe how they got babysitted almost every step of the way is the shocking part, not the part where they admit they had no idea what they were doing. That part was plainly obvious.
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Post by: Chino on October 28, 2019, 08:01:26 AM: All that dialog did was make me never want to watch GOT again.
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Post by: The Walrus on October 28, 2019, 08:02:32 AM: I'm still not sure if I'm in GoT fatigue mode or if season 8 really did just kill my interest in the whole show or the idea of watching the series yet again, but I do know I definitely have a loathing for those two guys now.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 28, 2019, 08:15:00 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on October 28, 2019, 08:02:32 AM
I do know I definitely have a loathing for those two guys now.
Tell me about it. My thoughts go out to Star Wars fans who might have to watch these two butcher a trilogy of movies. History teaches us they are likely to take the most loved storyline/property in the extended universe and then grow bored halfway through. Maybe they will wanna take the sci-fi out of it to ~make mothers watch it~ (nobody tell them giving birth to a child doesn't turn the part of your brain that likes high fantasy/sci-fi off).
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Post by: Zantera on October 28, 2019, 08:22:23 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on October 28, 2019, 08:15:00 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on October 28, 2019, 08:02:32 AM
I do know I definitely have a loathing for those two guys now.
Tell me about it. My thoughts go out to Star Wars fans who might have to watch these two butcher a trilogy of movies. History teaches us they are likely to take the most loved storyline/property in the extended universe and then grow bored halfway through. Maybe they will wanna take the sci-fi out of it to ~make mothers watch it~ (nobody tell them giving birth to a child doesn't turn the part of your brain that likes high fantasy/sci-fi off).

Would not be surprised if their Star Wars trilogy ends up cancelled like the Rian Johnson one. All it took in his case was 1 Star Wars movie that got some mixed reception and the plans for him to helm a trilogy were swept under the rug. In this case I feel they hired these guys before the massive backlash to the GoT ending and thought they got a sweet deal but after the last season's reception and after comments like this you really wonder if Disney are gonna stick to the plan. I mean they're being quite open about not knowing what they were doing, and you want to hand them the keys to the kingdom of your billion dollar franchise?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 28, 2019, 08:24:58 AM: Quote from: Zantera on October 28, 2019, 07:32:41 AM
I wish I could say I'm surprised but honestly for as great as the show started and the level it maintained for 4-5 seasons, the ending definitely felt like it was made by someone who had no idea what they were doing.

Yep. We’ve all said it and noticed it. Once the source material dried up they had no clue as to how to write that show.....write the characters....etc etc.

They believed the accolades they were getting for that show was their own doing and believed ‘they’ were the reason for its success. A fatal flaw because their egos and greed then drove that show not true insight or any real creativity.

Reading that is upsetting and I can’t believe the HBO execs fell for this.
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Post by: Stadler on October 28, 2019, 09:17:02 AM: So alternate viewpoint time.

I'm in the process now. My daughter watched it, and told me I had to dig into this. Before she left for school, we watched the first five seasons together, each episode. It slowed down when she left, but I'm back in, and I literally watched "The Battle of the Bastards" last night. As I see it so far:

The first six seasons are kind of like the Harry Potter books. The first one was light, and sparse, but hooked you in, and as you get through it, it gains in scope, depth, and intensity. For me, the best Potter book was number five, "The Order Of The Phoenix". The first four were setup, episodic, but the fifth was where the over-arching story really dug in.

For me, GoT has been set-up, at least through the first four seasons. Season five, and now especially season six, is where it's really getting epic for me. Up until season six, Sansa was an annoying if not attractive lightweight, that seemed to be necessary to move the plot forward, but wasn't a key player like Cersei, Danrys or Jon. Watching her go toe-to-toe with Jon Snow has completely changed my view of her. Watching Tyrion move from comic imp (in the classic sense of the word) drinking his way through life, to a more wisened, applied intellect has been fascinating.

I keep hearing the disappointment in Season 8, and from where I'm at, I can't speak to it, other than, where I am now we're being set up for certain outcomes and I can imagine if it doesn't play out like we thought...

As to those two, Weiss and Benioff, I watch the "inside the episodes" at the end of the show, and I now refer to them as "the two douchebags". Benioff is okay, but Weiss is a dork. I have to go back and check, but I just noticed that in the "ItE" pieces for season six, they flashed on what seemed to be new tats for Weiss (both arms, both look like lame frat boy ink) and what I think is a new earring. Not that this matters in the grand scheme of things, but I think this goes to Mora's point about "being paid to intern". I think they literally stepped in shit and got lucky with great material. Weiss more than Benioff, but the resumes seem to be more in the projects that DIDN'T get made, DIDN'T get published, than the other way around.

(By the way, Weiss, went to college here in Connecticut, at Wesleyan, alma mater of Lin-Manuel Miranda and Bill Belichick, among others.)
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Post by: The Walrus on October 28, 2019, 09:24:12 AM: Just my opinion - while I think season 5 is slow and has plenty of problems compared to season 4, season 6 is a high water mark for the show. That season kicks ass.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 28, 2019, 10:02:11 AM: Indeed, it was not perfect, but boy.... the two final episodes alone were some of the most amazing and breathtaking things ever seen on TV.
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Post by: kaos2900 on October 28, 2019, 02:52:07 PM: Quote from: Stadler on October 28, 2019, 09:17:02 AM
So alternate viewpoint time.

I'm in the process now. My daughter watched it, and told me I had to dig into this. Before she left for school, we watched the first five seasons together, each episode. It slowed down when she left, but I'm back in, and I literally watched "The Battle of the Bastards" last night. As I see it so far:

The first six seasons are kind of like the Harry Potter books. The first one was light, and sparse, but hooked you in, and as you get through it, it gains in scope, depth, and intensity. For me, the best Potter book was number five, "The Order Of The Phoenix". The first four were setup, episodic, but the fifth was where the over-arching story really dug in.

For me, GoT has been set-up, at least through the first four seasons. Season five, and now especially season six, is where it's really getting epic for me. Up until season six, Sansa was an annoying if not attractive lightweight, that seemed to be necessary to move the plot forward, but wasn't a key player like Cersei, Danrys or Jon. Watching her go toe-to-toe with Jon Snow has completely changed my view of her. Watching Tyrion move from comic imp (in the classic sense of the word) drinking his way through life, to a more wisened, applied intellect has been fascinating.

I keep hearing the disappointment in Season 8, and from where I'm at, I can't speak to it, other than, where I am now we're being set up for certain outcomes and I can imagine if it doesn't play out like we thought...

As to those two, Weiss and Benioff, I watch the "inside the episodes" at the end of the show, and I now refer to them as "the two douchebags". Benioff is okay, but Weiss is a dork. I have to go back and check, but I just noticed that in the "ItE" pieces for season six, they flashed on what seemed to be new tats for Weiss (both arms, both look like lame frat boy ink) and what I think is a new earring. Not that this matters in the grand scheme of things, but I think this goes to Mora's point about "being paid to intern". I think they literally stepped in shit and got lucky with great material. Weiss more than Benioff, but the resumes seem to be more in the projects that DIDN'T get made, DIDN'T get published, than the other way around.

(By the way, Weiss, went to college here in Connecticut, at Wesleyan, alma mater of Lin-Manuel Miranda and Bill Belichick, among others.)

I'll be curious to hear your perspective of the conclusion since you didn't have to wait years and years for it.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 28, 2019, 05:00:09 PM: Quote from: Stadler on October 28, 2019, 09:17:02 AM
I keep hearing the disappointment in Season 8, and from where I'm at, I can't speak to it, other than, where I am now we're being set up for certain outcomes and I can imagine if it doesn't play out like we thought...)
Report back when you've seen the whole thing! I am very interested in seeing what you'll think. You'll definitely see some stunning cinematography, hear some great music, get to see the actors giving their best (especially Emilia Clarke in s8).
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Post by: axeman90210 on October 28, 2019, 08:28:25 PM: Quote from: Stadler on October 28, 2019, 09:17:02 AM
So alternate viewpoint time.

I'm in the process now. My daughter watched it, and told me I had to dig into this. Before she left for school, we watched the first five seasons together, each episode. It slowed down when she left, but I'm back in, and I literally watched "The Battle of the Bastards" last night. As I see it so far:

The first six seasons are kind of like the Harry Potter books. The first one was light, and sparse, but hooked you in, and as you get through it, it gains in scope, depth, and intensity. For me, the best Potter book was number five, "The Order Of The Phoenix". The first four were setup, episodic, but the fifth was where the over-arching story really dug in.

For me, GoT has been set-up, at least through the first four seasons. Season five, and now especially season six, is where it's really getting epic for me. Up until season six, Sansa was an annoying if not attractive lightweight, that seemed to be necessary to move the plot forward, but wasn't a key player like Cersei, Danrys or Jon. Watching her go toe-to-toe with Jon Snow has completely changed my view of her. Watching Tyrion move from comic imp (in the classic sense of the word) drinking his way through life, to a more wisened, applied intellect has been fascinating.

I keep hearing the disappointment in Season 8, and from where I'm at, I can't speak to it, other than, where I am now we're being set up for certain outcomes and I can imagine if it doesn't play out like we thought...

As to those two, Weiss and Benioff, I watch the "inside the episodes" at the end of the show, and I now refer to them as "the two douchebags". Benioff is okay, but Weiss is a dork. I have to go back and check, but I just noticed that in the "ItE" pieces for season six, they flashed on what seemed to be new tats for Weiss (both arms, both look like lame frat boy ink) and what I think is a new earring. Not that this matters in the grand scheme of things, but I think this goes to Mora's point about "being paid to intern". I think they literally stepped in shit and got lucky with great material. Weiss more than Benioff, but the resumes seem to be more in the projects that DIDN'T get made, DIDN'T get published, than the other way around.

(By the way, Weiss, went to college here in Connecticut, at Wesleyan, alma mater of Lin-Manuel Miranda and Bill Belichick, among others.)

Somehow I never knew that Weiss was a Wesleyan alum (class of '09 here).
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Post by: KevShmev on October 28, 2019, 09:05:07 PM: I stand by my opinion of Season 8: it wasn't as great as it could have been, but wasn't nearly as bad as many made it out to be, and final sequence of the series (last 5-6 minutes) is still amazing.
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Post by: Chino on October 29, 2019, 06:00:04 AM: Quote from: Zantera on October 28, 2019, 08:22:23 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on October 28, 2019, 08:15:00 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on October 28, 2019, 08:02:32 AM
I do know I definitely have a loathing for those two guys now.
Tell me about it. My thoughts go out to Star Wars fans who might have to watch these two butcher a trilogy of movies. History teaches us they are likely to take the most loved storyline/property in the extended universe and then grow bored halfway through. Maybe they will wanna take the sci-fi out of it to ~make mothers watch it~ (nobody tell them giving birth to a child doesn't turn the part of your brain that likes high fantasy/sci-fi off).

Would not be surprised if their Star Wars trilogy ends up cancelled like the Rian Johnson one. All it took in his case was 1 Star Wars movie that got some mixed reception and the plans for him to helm a trilogy were swept under the rug. In this case I feel they hired these guys before the massive backlash to the GoT ending and thought they got a sweet deal but after the last season's reception and after comments like this you really wonder if Disney are gonna stick to the plan. I mean they're being quite open about not knowing what they were doing, and you want to hand them the keys to the kingdom of your billion dollar franchise?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-shocker-game-thrones-duo-quits-planned-trilogy-1250666

"We love Star Wars. When George Lucas built it, he built us too," Benioff and Weiss said in a statement. "Getting to talk about Star Wars with him and the current Star Wars team was the thrill of a lifetime, and we will always be indebted to the saga that changed everything. But there are only so many hours in the day, and we felt we could not do justice to both Star Wars and our Netflix projects. So we are regretfully stepping away."

It kind of shocks me that Netflix can pay these guys more for whatever they're doing with them than what Star Wars would bring in.
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 29, 2019, 06:08:40 AM: Whoah. Star Wars fans dodget a bullet.
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Post by: faizoff on October 29, 2019, 06:55:03 AM: Wow weren't D&D supposed to collaborate their trilogies with Rian Johnson? With all of them getting heavily criticized regarding their last output, I guess this shouldn't come as that big of a surprise.
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Post by: cramx3 on October 29, 2019, 07:18:21 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 29, 2019, 06:08:40 AM
Whoah. Star Wars fans dodget a bullet.

Great news

Quote from: Chino on October 29, 2019, 06:00:04 AM
It kind of shocks me that Netflix can pay these guys more for whatever they're doing with them than what Star Wars would bring in.

I don't know about the money, but I wouldn't be surprised if some public or private pressure was a big reason to drop out of Star Wars.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 29, 2019, 08:00:29 AM: Quote from: Chino on October 29, 2019, 06:00:04 AM
It kind of shocks me that Netflix can pay these guys more for whatever they're doing with them than what Star Wars would bring in.

Personally I thing they know they were in over their heads. Plus, with the backlash they received from the GOT debacle......and how rabid a fan base the Star Wars community is.....they knew/know there is not wiggle room when it comes to nailing the next trilogy. Those movies are already under a microscope and they haven't even been written.
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Post by: Stadler on October 29, 2019, 08:04:05 AM: With respect to Chino, I don't think it was money. I think it was more like the Star Wars leadership saying "you're out. Now, you can go out there and bad mouth us and never work again in the industry, or you can go out there and save face and claim you have other projects taking too much time. Your call on the delivery, but you have absolutely no say on the decision. You're out."
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Post by: RuRoRul on October 29, 2019, 08:07:11 AM: The amount of films that were supposedly planned for Star Wars always seemed quite ridiculous and likely to fall through. Why they were ever talking about having multiple trilogies at the same time escapes me. It seemed like they were taking advantage of the peak of Star Wars hype in the couple of years after The Force Awakens to line up as many potential Star Wars projects as they could, and everyone who might be involved in making future films gets a whole potential trilogy rather than just an individual film. A bit like how there were 4 or 5 different Game Of Thrones spin offs in the works, now there are one or two looking likely to move forward - they could pick the ones that seemed most viable. It makes sense that a Benioff & Weiss led trilogy isn't the most viable path for Star Wars sequels now so I'm happy with the news that they are off of it.

My reaction probably isn't the same as most people's seems to be though (i.e. I think that "Dum and Dummer" would be incapable of putting together a decent Star Wars project so I'm super happy they won't be "ruining" another franchise). Partially that might be because I am not that excited about the future of Star Wars films at the moment anyway, so even if D&D did make a Star Wars trilogy as terrible as that show Game Of Thrones it wouldn't be a big loss to me. But also I guess I don't think it's going to be that hard to come up with a concept and storyline for Star Wars that would be interesting - much of the Star Wars universe is already built, and it's not going to take a creator like GRRM to come up with a premise and small cast of characters needed for a two and a half hour fillm. Hell, any Star Wars fan can probably blurt out some premise that sounds half decent, and there's plenty of inspiration from novels, video games etc. even if you don't lift the exact details from a specific storyline. The bigger challenge rather than lack of possibly story ideas is getting from idea to reality, which is where industry clout, ability to attract talent, past experience making high quality big budget fantasy, and a clear vision and hook for marketing (especially in an era where the "Skywalker Saga" is supposedly finished and there's a less clear idea about what a Star Wars sequel will actually be) will come in. I wouldn't be surprised if that last one was the main selling point of Benioff & Weiss making Star Wars films in the first place. Being able to advertise "From the Creators of Game Of Thrones" on a Star Wars film might have allowed the franchise a bridge into some material that might otherwise have been seen as unpalatable to mainstream audiences and so never approved for such big budget films (not HBO level perhaps, but think say slightly more grey conflicts or political storylines). But at this point I think the positive of being associated with "from the creators of Game Of Thrones" wouldn't significantly outweigh the negativity of it being their project (particularly due to the obsession with D&D personally), so it no longer really has much potential.

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on October 28, 2019, 06:07:28 AM
David and Dan finally speak, reveal all sorts of things that I honestly expected them to never be honest about at a small panel (https://twitter.com/ForArya/status/1188186578071556102).

These quotes are extremely telling:
"David is describing the pre-meeting with GRRM who was questioning their bona fides and “we didn’t really have any.” We had never done TV and we didn’t have any. We don’t know why he trusted us with his life’s work.”

"The moderator asked why they chose to write all the episodes by themselves: “Because we didn’t know better.”"

"Dan wanted to remove as many fantasy elements as possible bc “we didn’t just want to appeal to that type of fan.” They wanted to expand the fan base to people beyond the fantasy fan base to “mothers, NFL players”..." !!!

"Did you really sit down and try to boil the elements of the books down? Did you really try to understand it’s major elements.

- No. We didn’t. The scope was too big. It was about the scenes we were trying to depict and the show was about power."

But the entire thread is worth a read.
While based on real questions and answers, unsurprisingly I found that several of those descriptions / paraphrased answers (from a Twitter account with a pretty extensive posting history of complaining about D&D's writing deficiencies, even though I've seen these Tweets attributed as direct quotes in some places) looked much worse than the answers actually came across. The essence of what people take away from it likely won't change, but seeing that Twitter thread linked here when I've seen its quotes used as the basis for several articles, I felt it worth a mention that the actual answers may come across quite differently and the actual panel audio was now released: https://soundcloud.com/aboynamedart/got-panel-at-austin-film-festival

In general I'm extremely skeptical of the idea that Game Of Thrones should have been given to a "more experienced, established TV writer" and that would have helped it become a stronger adaptation of GRRM's work. I'm also doubtful that if Benioff & Weiss had stepped down after Season 4 or Season 6 or whenever then the show would have been handed to someone that "cares" or "understands" more about the world and story of ASOIAF and would have done more justice to GRRM's imagined end to the saga. It seems more likely to me that strong creators (in terms of their ability to make the show they want) stepping back from a project that popular at the height of its powers would have led to decision making driven even more by business considerations than artistic ones, and that the people capable of stepping in and managing the huge project that was Game Of Thrones wouldn't necessarily be those with the deepest understanding and passion for GRRM's works... But I guess people have a lot more faith in the biz than me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 29, 2019, 12:47:59 PM: I definitely never expected them to admit as much as they did, with all the hedging they did in the full answers, the humor, etc. I think it would have been very responsible of them to even just have a writers' room, before stepping down and all of that. It's clear that the biz side of the business wasn't very sharp in giving this to them anyway, from GRRM signing off on the whole thing no questions asked because he liked them, to HBO babysitting them along the way like they did with their other creators - who did have writers' rooms, did listen to feedback, did take as much time as was necessary to wrap up the story.

Even from the limited amount of collaborations they did, Bryan Cogman, for example, seems very capable of doing character-driven dialogues and other things they half-assed especially in the later seasons - so it is a reasonable assumption that other talents would have appeared if they had been hiring. They might not have needed an experienced TV writer and someone who is a major fan to make something better, just a team of people who have different strengths, just like them, but are not burned out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 29, 2019, 01:30:25 PM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on October 29, 2019, 12:47:59 PM
It's clear that the biz side of the business wasn't very sharp in giving this to them anyway, from GRRM signing off on the whole thing no questions asked because he liked them

Apparently he agreed because they figured out Jon Snow's parentage. Which the general consensus seems to be is one of the (relatively) easiest mysteries of the books. As I said in the past - I didn't read the books but I read a lot about the books, and while it's not completely spelled out, it was not such a deep intricate mystery to unravel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 29, 2019, 01:37:08 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 29, 2019, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on October 29, 2019, 12:47:59 PM
It's clear that the biz side of the business wasn't very sharp in giving this to them anyway, from GRRM signing off on the whole thing no questions asked because he liked them

Apparently he agreed because they figured out Jon Snow's parentage. Which the general consensus seems to be is one of the (relatively) easiest mysteries of the books. As I said in the past - I didn't read the books but I read a lot about the books, and while it's not completely spelled out, it was not such a deep intricate mystery to unravel.

Yea, that might have been the biggest non shock reveal of the show and it was easily the biggest and most popular theory out there when I started getting into the books. I remember after reading the books, I didn't totally pick up on the R+L=J tidbits, but once I hit the online forums to start reading what others had written about the books, it became clear as day. The evidence was overwhelming and the only reason to not believe that theory was it was "too obvious".
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Post by: ErHaO on October 29, 2019, 04:21:15 PM: One only needs to see Gemini Man to see that Disney probably dodged a bullet by not having Benioff write an entire trilogy.

Also, my opinion on season 8 unfortunately has not changed a bit, I hate most of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 29, 2019, 06:27:52 PM: And now news is coming in that the Long Night prequel starring Naomi Watts has been put on hold.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on October 29, 2019, 07:04:57 PM: Season 8 killed the franchise in an unprecedented magnitude, only occurrence I can think of that resembles that is what Batman & Robin did to the original Batman franchise heh
Pity about the Long Night show, I was anticipating that. But the double dipshits losing the Star Wars thing balances it out, feels like karma.
All you fuckers had to do is put more thought into these final two years, you already knew where you were landing but still botched the landing itself cause you were in such a hurry to be done with it, you had all the resources a film maker can dream of. You could have even passed on to someone else to finish it if you no longer had the passion for it. Oh well. /ramble
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Progmetty on October 29, 2019, 07:16:49 PM: Official page just announced a Targaryen spin off, the good news is that Migul Sapochnik is attached as showrunner.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 29, 2019, 07:31:46 PM: That's great that Sapochnik will be in the mix. He had some great ideas for the battle of the long night which would've made it a lot more interesting at the outset. D&D scrapped those ideas and I keep going back to that thought of how great it would've set up that episode.

He's definitely great director and I'm hoping his presence makes for compelling story telling. With the series being set 300 years before current GoT I hope it is different enough.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 02:14:53 AM: Quote from: faizoff on October 29, 2019, 06:27:52 PM
And now news is coming in that the Long Night prequel starring Naomi Watts has been put on hold.

That's a pity, but The Long Night killed all the interest for the White Walkers. I wouldn't watch a prequel about the origin of Thanos if all it took to bring him down was Antman or Hawkeye jumping out of nowhere to sneakily kill him.

Quote from: Progmetty on October 29, 2019, 07:04:57 PM
Season 8 killed the franchise in an unprecedented magnitude, only occurrence I can think of that resembles that is what Batman & Robin did to the original Batman franchise heh

Indeed. Game of Thrones will become the Hindenburg of TV series - no one will remember what a technological wonder it was, but just how it crashed and burned upon landing.

Quote from: Progmetty on October 29, 2019, 07:04:57 PM
All you fuckers had to do is put more thought into these final two years, you already knew where you were landing but still botched the landing itself cause you were in such a hurry to be done with it, you had all the resources a film maker can dream of. You could have even passed on to someone else to finish it if you no longer had the passion for it. Oh well. /ramble

Yeah, the thing that irritates the most is that HBO was in "Shut up and take my money" mode, and would have done anything they asked of them, but instead they wanted to be done with it. They changed the outline of the story, and then when all they had to do was come up with an ending coherent with what they've done so far, they dove back to the original plot points that GRRM gave them. If you're flying the plane to your decided destination and then you suddenly decide you have to land in the original intended airport, it's no wonder that you f'kin crash the plane to the ground.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on October 30, 2019, 05:30:32 AM: YO!!

(https://i.redd.it/jp3xotj2kkv31.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 30, 2019, 07:29:03 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 02:14:53 AM
Game of Thrones will become the Hindenburg of TV series - no one will remember what a technological wonder it was, but just how it crashed and burned upon landing.

No one? Speak for yourself, please. :P

I do not think it crashed and burned upon landing, and plenty of others do not as well, although I get that the very vocal dissenters have made it seem like everyone hated the last season, but it's not reality.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 07:33:04 AM: 'twas a bit of an hyperbole, c'mon :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on October 30, 2019, 07:38:33 AM: All right, FINALLY a poster and an official name, all aboard the hype train!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 30, 2019, 07:41:38 AM: I think while there is definitely some general discontent for the final season, the backlash isn't so severe. When I went to the GoT concert experience, it was in an arena of 15,000 people and was almost all full. There were big loud cheers for Arya and Sansa and Jon during key moments in season 8 that were displayed on the screen.

While it didn't have a climactic ending one would've hoped for, I think most people are somewhere in the middle about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 08:21:23 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on October 30, 2019, 07:29:03 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 02:14:53 AM
Game of Thrones will become the Hindenburg of TV series - no one will remember what a technological wonder it was, but just how it crashed and burned upon landing.

No one? Speak for yourself, please. :P

I do not think it crashed and burned upon landing, and plenty of others do not as well, although I get that the very vocal dissenters have made it seem like everyone hated the last season, but it's not reality.

Hell, I hate it and I haven't even watched season SEVEN yet! :)

FYI, watched the Season 6 finale last night. Cersei is a c***. HAHAHA. The "whisper" scene was rather interesting, though it doesn't make anything "obvious" for me (though I get it enough to understand why people are saying that).

(By the way, during Season 1 through, say, 5, did we have an idea who Jon Stark's mom is? We "know" he's Ned's bastard, but what was the story that was told? He - obviously - wasn't Catelyn's, but what was the understanding BEFORE Bran's flashbacks to the tower and Lyanna came up in Season 6?)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 08:22:25 AM: Quote from: Progmetty on October 29, 2019, 07:16:49 PM
Official page just announced a Targaryen spin off, the good news is that Migul Sapochnik is attached as showrunner.

Also GRRM is involved. This gives some hope of a good follow up show. Also apparently HBO cut one of their other prequel ideas.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on October 30, 2019, 08:24:38 AM: @Stads

Has any of the show been spoiled for you, or are you going into the final seasons pretty blind?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 08:27:26 AM: Smart move by HBO. There is source material to draw from.....it's a 'known' name and has lore and history.......and dragons, fun to look at and the scenes with Drogon and Co. were some of the coolest visuals. It's a no brainer.

Immediate (10) episode order also. So, this sounds like we will be seeing this fairly 'soon'.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 08:30:13 AM: Quote from: Chino on October 30, 2019, 08:24:38 AM
@Stads

Has any of the show been spoiled for you, or are you going into the final seasons pretty blind?

For the most part, blind. I have to say, for all the criticism of Season 8, I can tell you very little about what ACTUALLY happens. I don't, for example, know ANYONE that sits on the Iron Throne other than Cersei, who assumed the position in the Season 6 finale. The only thing I know is that certain characters MAKE it to Season 8 (which means the one big spoiler for me was Jon Snow's "death" in Season 5).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 08:30:45 AM: Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 08:21:23 AM
(By the way, during Season 1 through, say, 5, did we have an idea who Jon Stark's mom is? We "know" he's Ned's bastard, but what was the story that was told? He - obviously - wasn't Catelyn's, but what was the understanding BEFORE Bran's flashbacks to the tower and Lyanna came up in Season 6?)

This wasn't changed for the TV show, so it was in the books as well and all you had to do was going online to find the theory discussed. So everyone who bothered to write on Google "Jon's true parents" would have long known what was the leading theory for ages.

It was so discussed that the actual surprise would have been Jon NOT being the son of who eventually turned out to be the parents.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 08:39:25 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 08:21:23 AM
(By the way, during Season 1 through, say, 5, did we have an idea who Jon Stark's mom is? We "know" he's Ned's bastard, but what was the story that was told? He - obviously - wasn't Catelyn's, but what was the understanding BEFORE Bran's flashbacks to the tower and Lyanna came up in Season 6?)

This wasn't changed for the TV show, so it was in the books as well and all you had to do was going online to find the theory discussed. So everyone who bothered to write on Google "Jon's true parents" would have long known what was the leading theory for ages.

It was so discussed that the actual surprise would have been Jon NOT being the son of who eventually turned out to be the parents.

yeah....that was the least shocking reveal ever
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on October 30, 2019, 09:05:39 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 08:22:25 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on October 29, 2019, 07:16:49 PM
Official page just announced a Targaryen spin off, the good news is that Migul Sapochnik is attached as showrunner.

Also GRRM is involved. This gives some hope of a good follow up show. Also apparently HBO cut one of their other prequel ideas.

Sapochnik directed some of the very best episodes of the series in my opinion so I am doubly excited for this show seeing him as one of the showrunners.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 09:15:56 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on October 30, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 08:22:25 AM
Quote from: Progmetty on October 29, 2019, 07:16:49 PM
Official page just announced a Targaryen spin off, the good news is that Migul Sapochnik is attached as showrunner.

Also GRRM is involved. This gives some hope of a good follow up show. Also apparently HBO cut one of their other prequel ideas.

Sapochnik directed some of the very best episodes of the series in my opinion so I am doubly excited for this show seeing him as one of the showrunners.

I think he had some more grand ideas for the big S8 battle at Winterfell but was shot down by D & D. One of which....Stads don't read......was that Jaime, Brienne, Tormund, Greyworm, and Daavos would have died in that battle. Which they realistically should have.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 09:28:24 AM: I remember that he also thought that Jorah should have died immediately in the first blind charge of the Dothraki, which one again he should have.
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Post by: The Walrus on October 30, 2019, 09:29:25 AM: All of those things (and more) should have happened. That episode just... ugh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 09:32:09 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 09:28:24 AM
I remember that he also thought that Jorah should have died immediately in the first blind charge of the Dothraki, which one again he should have.

Yeah....that would have made the most sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 09:34:22 AM: Quote from: Kattelox on October 30, 2019, 09:29:25 AM
All of those things (and more) should have happened. That episode just... ugh.

IMO It's a glaring example of how those two had little idea as to how to handle the show after the source material dried up

I 'liked' the episode....think it was pretty cool....yet....there was a completely different way to handle it that could have made it epic on a level of epicness that would have been renowned for years. They missed a chance there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on October 30, 2019, 09:37:02 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 09:34:22 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on October 30, 2019, 09:29:25 AM
All of those things (and more) should have happened. That episode just... ugh.

IMO It's a glaring example of how those two had little idea as to how to handle the show after the source material dried up

I 'liked' the episode....think it was pretty cool....yet....there was a completely different way to handle it that could have made it epic on a level of epicness that would have been renowned for years. They missed a chance there.

I totally agree... also... if they had kept seasons 7 and 8 a full 10 episodes like normal, and even just added ONE more season of 10 episodes, they could've built up to the final battle at you-know-where so much better. As in, almost all of the companions dead through various episodes as the political tension and war crimes ratchet up, and with our 'big heroes' going in there with almost nobody to assist them, give them knowledge, tactics etc... just one final hurrah, a hail Mary if you will, with the very last remaining big characters (maybe 3 or 4) charging in. And IMO, ending with a little hint that the White Walkers AREN'T GONE - that would have been perfect...

But, TV, ratings, fanservice... oh well, I can keep dreaming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 10:22:08 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 08:21:23 AM
(By the way, during Season 1 through, say, 5, did we have an idea who Jon Stark's mom is? We "know" he's Ned's bastard, but what was the story that was told? He - obviously - wasn't Catelyn's, but what was the understanding BEFORE Bran's flashbacks to the tower and Lyanna came up in Season 6?)

This wasn't changed for the TV show, so it was in the books as well and all you had to do was going online to find the theory discussed. So everyone who bothered to write on Google "Jon's true parents" would have long known what was the leading theory for ages.

It was so discussed that the actual surprise would have been Jon NOT being the son of who eventually turned out to be the parents.

But that wasn't my question. I wasn't asking what the theory is/was, I was asking what did we KNOW. What did Ned tell Jon about his mother. I think the answer is "not much", so the premise I'm working on is that as of Season 6 Episode 10, JON SNOW believes his dad to be Ned Stark and he doesn't have even a hint as to who his mother might be.

But Bran has information - and we have slightly less information, assuming Bran knows what the whisper is and we don't - that Jon doesn't, that Ned's sister Lyanna gave birth to a baby that we're heavily influenced to believe is Jon Snow (the full screen shot of the baby, then the full screen shot of Jon Snow is about as subtle as GG Allin), which means that unless Ned engaged in some pretty heavy duty Lannister shit, Ned's not the father after all, and Jon is not of House Stark. (Which also has repurcussions, potentially, since that means that Sansa is the next in line to be Queen Of The North, which of course might change Peter Baelish's thinking.)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 10:27:29 AM: Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 08:21:23 AM
(By the way, during Season 1 through, say, 5, did we have an idea who Jon Stark's mom is? We "know" he's Ned's bastard, but what was the story that was told? He - obviously - wasn't Catelyn's, but what was the understanding BEFORE Bran's flashbacks to the tower and Lyanna came up in Season 6?)

This wasn't changed for the TV show, so it was in the books as well and all you had to do was going online to find the theory discussed. So everyone who bothered to write on Google "Jon's true parents" would have long known what was the leading theory for ages.

It was so discussed that the actual surprise would have been Jon NOT being the son of who eventually turned out to be the parents.

But that wasn't my question. I wasn't asking what the theory is/was, I was asking what did we KNOW. What did Ned tell Jon about his mother. I think the answer is "not much", so the premise I'm working on is that as of Season 6 Episode 10, JON SNOW believes his dad to be Ned Stark and he doesn't have even a hint as to who his mother might be.

Ah, sorry. Yes, you're correct.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on October 30, 2019, 11:39:59 AM: Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 08:21:23 AM
(By the way, during Season 1 through, say, 5, did we have an idea who Jon Stark's mom is? We "know" he's Ned's bastard, but what was the story that was told? He - obviously - wasn't Catelyn's, but what was the understanding BEFORE Bran's flashbacks to the tower and Lyanna came up in Season 6?)

This wasn't changed for the TV show, so it was in the books as well and all you had to do was going online to find the theory discussed. So everyone who bothered to write on Google "Jon's true parents" would have long known what was the leading theory for ages.

It was so discussed that the actual surprise would have been Jon NOT being the son of who eventually turned out to be the parents.

But that wasn't my question. I wasn't asking what the theory is/was, I was asking what did we KNOW. What did Ned tell Jon about his mother. I think the answer is "not much", so the premise I'm working on is that as of Season 6 Episode 10, JON SNOW believes his dad to be Ned Stark and he doesn't have even a hint as to who his mother might be.

But Bran has information - and we have slightly less information, assuming Bran knows what the whisper is and we don't - that Jon doesn't, that Ned's sister Lyanna gave birth to a baby that we're heavily influenced to believe is Jon Snow (the full screen shot of the baby, then the full screen shot of Jon Snow is about as subtle as GG Allin), which means that unless Ned engaged in some pretty heavy duty Lannister shit, Ned's not the father after all, and Jon is not of House Stark. (Which also has repurcussions, potentially, since that means that Sansa is the next in line to be Queen Of The North, which of course might change Peter Baelish's thinking.)
Yes you are right. Just to expand slightly on exactly what was known to the characters - in the second episode of Season 1 before they part ways Jon Snow asks Ned about this.
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Jon: ls my mother alive? Does she know about me? Where l am, where l'm going? Does she care?
Ned: The next time we see each other, we'll talk about your mother.
By Season 6 Episode 10 Jon Snow never got any further info about it, so he believed Ned Stark was his father but had no idea who his mother was.

As for what the story that Jon and other people in general believed was; during Robert's Rebellion (the war against the Mad King), Ned Stark was away fighting the war for many months. He came back with a baby he acknowledged as his bastard son, with someone he slept with while at war in the south. He never told people exactly who the mother was but his story wasn't doubted as it was a pretty common thing to happen. Even Robert Baratheon who was his war buddy didn't know who the mother was as he asks Ned Stark about what she looked like. So the official story was that the mother was just "someone Ned Stark slept with while at war in the south", and Ned Stark not telling people who he had slept with was quite easily believed to be down to his honour and the fact he was ashamed to have broken his wedding vows.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 30, 2019, 12:32:10 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 07:33:04 AM
'twas a bit of an hyperbole, c'mon :D

Haha, I get it, but it does seem like many think everyone hated the final season as much as they did, so it's become commonplace for some to throw out the "everyone hated the final season of Game of Thrones" line, and it's sometimes nice to throw a reminder that some of us did in fact like it. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 01:11:42 PM: Sure, but everyone is not that far off of a description :lol

Although hate is a strong word. There was definitely cool stuff going down that was enjoyable and satisfying. I just didn't like the season as a whole at the end of the day. Series ended on a bummer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 01:16:32 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on October 30, 2019, 12:32:10 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 07:33:04 AM
'twas a bit of an hyperbole, c'mon :D

Haha, I get it, but it does seem like many think everyone hated the final season as much as they did, so it's become commonplace for some to throw out the "everyone hated the final season of Game of Thrones" line, and it's sometimes nice to throw a reminder that some of us did in fact like it. :biggrin:

I didn’t hate it by any means and generally don’t mind how it ended or what happened along the way. But there’s no denying the final two seasons were extremely rushed and suffered due to how quickly the pace was amped up compared to the first handful of seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on October 30, 2019, 02:26:35 PM: Stads, don't click this.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 02:38:16 PM: Quote from: Chino on October 30, 2019, 02:26:35 PM
Stads, don't click this.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 03:19:20 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: Chino on October 30, 2019, 02:26:35 PM
Stads, don't click this.

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Post by: ariich on October 30, 2019, 03:34:27 PM: Damn. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 30, 2019, 06:39:24 PM: Quote from: Chino on October 30, 2019, 02:26:35 PM
Stads, don't click this.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 30, 2019, 08:57:04 PM: Interesting blog post from GRRM.
http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/10/30/the-dragons-take-wing/ (http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/10/30/the-dragons-take-wing/)

Main takeaway is that he's not going to be writing any episode for the new show until he finishes writing Winds of Winter and delivers it.

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But… let me make this perfectly clear… I am not taking on any scripts until I have finished and delivered WINDS OF WINTER. Winter is still coming, and WINDS remains my priority, as much as I’d love to write an episodes of HOUSE.
He also writes that HBO wasn't trying to choose between The long night or House of the Dragon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 31, 2019, 02:21:27 AM: That's a pity. Probably they made a business decision, they considered dragons more exciting and more able to bring new people in, as well as keeping the fans of GoT aboard.

Let's face it, everyone loves dragons and Danerys was for the most part a beloved character, so people will want to revisit her house. The White Walkers stuff was more mystical and oriented towards those who like a good overarching fantasy mystery but given how it all ended, the interest for them realistically dropped.

I wouldn't be terribily interested either in a show about the early killing days of Dexter knowing he'd end up as a lumberjack.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on October 31, 2019, 06:00:08 AM: My fear with a dragon-heavy focus is that it's going to eat up the budget. Those babies aren't cheap. My guess is that the dragons are going to be more of an afterthought, or the ones we see regularly are going to be small or distant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 31, 2019, 07:03:37 AM: Quote from: Chino on October 30, 2019, 02:26:35 PM
Stads, don't click this.

:rollin :rollin :rollin

https://gfycat.com/measlyillustriousafricanrockpython-plan-about-nothing-game-of-thrones-bran-stark
:rollin :rollin :rollin

I've gotta say, I've read Fire & Blood, the basis for House of the Dragon, and frankly, I would have rather seen The Long Night come to fruition.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 31, 2019, 07:41:14 AM: I just remembered on the season 7 bluray they added a bonus disk called Conquest and Rebellion. It's an animated feature that has stories narrated by GoT characters. It's also set 300 years ago and details on a lot of the Targaryen ascent and conflict, I wonder if it's just an expansion on those stories.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2019, 07:51:09 AM: Quote from: faizoff on October 31, 2019, 07:41:14 AM
I just remembered on the season 7 bluray they added a bonus disk called Conquest and Rebellion. It's an animated feature that has stories narrated by GoT characters. It's also set 300 years ago and details on a lot of the Targaryen ascent and conflict, I wonder if it's just an expansion on those stories.

Likely and without seeing that to know for sure, I'd imagine they are telling stories from the book Fire and Blood that GRRM wrote which is also the inspiration for the new series. That book is just loose stories of the past in the GOT world and aren't terribly detailed so it seems they will take the story of the origin of House Targaryan and expand upon it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 31, 2019, 08:00:53 AM: Yeah I haven't read the Fire and Blood book so I too don't know if that animated movie is based of if but it sure sounds like it. The animated movie was quite good and the stories were great, and that was again just the cliff notes of the history, I imagine it will be greatly expanded for the live action show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 31, 2019, 08:04:43 AM: HAHA. "Stads, don't click this"... and 83 posts claiming how awesome said click is. :)

Thanks, guys!

(I'm totally kidding; I appreciate the spoiler alert, and the general consideration, but I'm well aware I'm the outlier here.)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 31, 2019, 01:16:13 PM: Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Ned's not the father after all, and Jon is not of House Stark.
You understood the heritage implications well, but he really is a Stark, because his mom is. He just doesn't stand a chance at inheriting anything from house Stark (unless something happens to all of Ned's children and the house has to branch out in search of heirs), but he is as much of a Stark as his (now cousins) siblings are.

Fun fact: go back and notice how Ned tells him, in their last conversation, "you may not have my name, but you have my blood". Gotta love that little twist of phrasing - Ned ruined his honor and spread the lie that Jon is his bastard, but he still doesn't outright say "you are my son", even though he raised Jon and he is the only father Jon has ever known.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 31, 2019, 01:31:45 PM: Yeah, Ned Stark is the only man that went to his grave with the secret that he DIDN'T cheat on his wife :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 31, 2019, 02:09:14 PM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on October 31, 2019, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Ned's not the father after all, and Jon is not of House Stark.
You understood the heritage implications well, but he really is a Stark, because his mom is. He just doesn't stand a chance at inheriting anything from house Stark (unless something happens to all of Ned's children and the house has to branch out in search of heirs), but he is as much of a Stark as his (now cousins) siblings are.

Fun fact: go back and notice how Ned tells him, in their last conversation, "you may not have my name, but you have my blood". Gotta love that little twist of phrasing - Ned ruined his honor and spread the lie that Jon is his bastard, but he still doesn't outright say "you are my son", even though he raised Jon and he is the only father Jon has ever known.
WHOA! MIND BLOWN. No, seriously; in covering all the permutations, it never occurred to me that either way he IS a Stark, just not the RIGHT Stark. Thanks for that (I'm being serious; I completely spaced that Lyanna is a Stark as well).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 31, 2019, 02:14:40 PM: Stadler are you done with season 7?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 31, 2019, 02:17:15 PM: No. Just finished the end of six. Cersei destroyed half of King's Landing, and drove her son to his own death. Daenerys is on the march with Tyrion. Arya exacted her revenge on Walder Frey.

I'll probably start seven this weekend.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on October 31, 2019, 02:25:38 PM: Quote from: Stadler on October 31, 2019, 02:17:15 PM
No. Just finished the end of six. Cersei destroyed half of King's Landing, and drove her son to his own death. Daenerys is on the march with Tyrion. Arya exacted her revenge on Walder Frey.

I'll probably start seven this weekend.

How good was that season finale? Arguably my favorite episode of the show. The cinematography, music, script, and acting - bullseyes on all fronts.

Season 7 had its critics but for me some of the series' best moments are there too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 31, 2019, 02:33:07 PM: That opening sequence :hefdaddy

Season 7 wasn't the greatest, but it certainly had a strong ending
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on October 31, 2019, 02:34:31 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 31, 2019, 02:33:07 PM
That opening sequence :hefdaddy

Season 7 wasn't the greatest, but it certainly had a strong ending

I wish I could watch his reaction to episode 6 in real time. I think I watched that episode at least once a day, every day, leading up to the S7 finale, I loved it so much :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 31, 2019, 05:23:02 PM: The "king in the north" scene is just amazing.

Also, Arya killing Walder Frey was just soooooooo satisfying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 01, 2019, 03:11:32 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 31, 2019, 02:33:07 PM
That opening sequence :hefdaddy

The pinnacle of the show, the coordination between the AMAZING music, the various scenes and the climax of it all was breathtaking. Maybe not a perfect moment logic-wise, with all the perfect coincidences that only movies get (like Lancel being stabbed in the exact way that allowed him to live and crawl to the wildfire moments before it exploded) but come on, all that Light of the Seven scene deserves nothing but a standing ovation :hefdaddy

Quote from: cramx3 on October 31, 2019, 02:33:07 PM
Season 7 wasn't the greatest, but it certainly had a strong ending

An ending so strong that gave hope for the final season. Season 7 was as bad as Season 8, but it had some legit great scenes (Olenna with Jaimie, the loot train attack) and the promise of sh1t going down with that epic final scene.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 01, 2019, 12:20:15 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 01, 2019, 03:11:32 AM

The pinnacle of the show, the coordination between the AMAZING music, the various scenes and the climax of it all was breathtaking. Maybe not a perfect moment logic-wise, with all the perfect coincidences that only movies get (like Lancel being stabbed in the exact way that allowed him to live and crawl to the wildfire moments before it exploded) but come on, all that Light of the Seven scene deserves nothing but a standing ovation :hefdaddy

The reflection in Lancel's eyes of the wildfire igniting is one of the best single shots, from a visual standpoint, in the entire series, IMO. Amazing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on November 01, 2019, 08:04:19 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 01, 2019, 03:11:32 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on October 31, 2019, 02:33:07 PM
That opening sequence :hefdaddy

The pinnacle of the show, the coordination between the AMAZING music, the various scenes and the climax of it all was breathtaking. Maybe not a perfect moment logic-wise, with all the perfect coincidences that only movies get (like Lancel being stabbed in the exact way that allowed him to live and crawl to the wildfire moments before it exploded) but come on, all that Light of the Seven scene deserves nothing but a standing ovation :hefdaddy

I lost track, which episode is this?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on November 01, 2019, 09:18:58 PM: Season 6 Episode 10 - The finale. The music with the Godfather like opening. I think it's still my favorite season finale. Just a hair above season 4 finale.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 06, 2019, 12:20:48 PM: (https://scontent-frt3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/73186438_1409953799167054_4009956624901865472_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQnl0CcEA8g8UMEY3DeieOJ82WrjrDcLZ7sunEkOnQLe90Q31ScpSDVMVvz2k9R7sUg&_nc_ht=scontent-frt3-2.xx&oh=a0523fd91767ddf174d1a30311155c5f&oe=5E5C8F20)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on November 06, 2019, 02:15:48 PM: Despite season 8, I'm excited for this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 06, 2019, 02:45:10 PM: Quote from: ReaperKK on November 06, 2019, 02:15:48 PM
Despite season 8, I'm excited for this.

I think it's the perfect story to follow up GOT with. I liked the idea of the Naomi Watts led prequel idea.....but.....it had the potential to be pretty dull so to speak. With what we know of the Targaryn lineage and history.....the civil war and the fact they ride dragons......this feels like the substance is there and there's the potential for some pretty incredible storytelling.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2019, 03:43:49 PM: I may have already said this, but as someone who read Fire & Blood, on which this new show will be based...I would much rather have seen them go forward with The Long Night.

But...dragons! So there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2019, 03:49:46 PM: Based SOLELY on the description, I'm not interested.

I got into GoT for fantastic story lines, characters, complex plots, etc. Eventually the show just became DRAGONS AND ZOMBIES AND BATTLES HELL YEA!

And it seems most people like the latter, while I didn't care about that and liked the former.

Feels like this show will be much more of the latter since they figure most people want dragons and explosions and fighting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 06, 2019, 04:36:14 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2019, 03:43:49 PM
I may have already said this, but as someone who read Fire & Blood, on which this new show will be based...I would much rather have seen them go forward with The Long Night.

I’ve not read Fire and Blood but was told by someone who had that it was good.

Nonetheless there’s a story there that could be really good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on November 06, 2019, 06:08:38 PM: Quote from: Adami on November 06, 2019, 03:49:46 PM
Based SOLELY on the description, I'm not interested.

I got into GoT for fantastic story lines, characters, complex plots, etc. Eventually the show just became DRAGONS AND ZOMBIES AND BATTLES HELL YEA!

And it seems most people like the latter, while I didn't care about that and liked the former.

Feels like this show will be much more of the latter since they figure most people want dragons and explosions and fighting.

I disagree.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on November 06, 2019, 06:10:55 PM: That’s how I know I’m right.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 04:48:05 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2019, 03:43:49 PM
I may have already said this, but as someone who read Fire & Blood, on which this new show will be based...I would much rather have seen them go forward with The Long Night.
Same. The myth of the Long Night is the central mystery of the books. It's the one thing I'm most curious about. But chatter in the fandom says they weren't too interested in being faithful to the books, so good riddance.

The budget of GoT was struggling to fit three dragons, and Fire and Blood contains many many more, and bigger ones, so I'm curious to see how this works. Also curious about the casting and how they're going to design the look of the Targs. I'd like to see their purple/indigo eyes and more than two different wigs this time ::) but I'll settle for just the wigs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on November 07, 2019, 05:00:52 AM: Read Fire and Blood early this year and while it's enjoyable to a diehard fan, it is really more like a Wikipedia summary of events than fully fleshed out stories. And a lot of things are hidden behind "one account says this happened, other people say maybe it was this". So as much as there is a bare bone outline of events in the first half of the Targaryen dynasty , any TV show based on it is necessarily going to require a lot of original writing that's "not in the books", even if it's just deciding what parts of Fire and Blood / TWOIAF are true and fleshing out the events to put them on the screen.

One thing I'd say is that even though there are of course battles with dragons, most of what's written about it is more of a political struggle with alliances, betrayals, assassinations. In fact if the show is about the Dance of Dragons (I don't know if it's stated that it will be doing this conflict or is set earlier, for now I'll assume it's based around that time), the early stages of it could be pretty similar to Season 1 of Game Of Thrones. But, stories like that depend on the characters and while there are a couple of figures from the Dance of Dragons that are "super kewl", the material written about these conflicts don't really portray fully drawn characters - again, they're like extended Wikipedia summaries. And frankly, when reading about the Dance of Dragons sometimes it's hard to remember which side some of the people are actually on or what the significance of a particular event is for the overall war. Most of the heavy lifting for making the characters memorable and distinguishable would be on the TV writers and casting.

Also, while whatever Targaryen material they use (I actually found the Jaehaerys I stuff more interesting than the Dance of Dragons in Fire and Blood) should have plenty of political and character driven conflict, you can't get around that this is supposed to be the time with more dragons. While many people claim they care more about story and characters than spectacle and effects, I guarantee you people will be disappointed if the dragons at the height of the Targaryen dynasty are less impressive than those in Season 8 Game of Thrones, which will need significant budget to pull off. Obviously a major Game of Thrones successor show will have plenty of resources, but spending a lot on dragon CGI it means it will be under even bigger pressure to be financially successful quickly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 05:50:42 AM: Quote from: RuRoRul on November 07, 2019, 05:00:52 AM
But, stories like that depend on the characters and while there are a couple of figures from the Dance of Dragons that are "super kewl", the material written about these conflicts don't really portray fully drawn characters - again, they're like extended Wikipedia summaries. And frankly, when reading about the Dance of Dragons sometimes it's hard to remember which side some of the people are actually on or what the significance of a particular event is for the overall war. Most of the heavy lifting for making the characters memorable and distinguishable would be on the TV writers and casting.
I see this as a good thing. ASOIAF characters jump off the page and any sort of diversion from how they think and act in the books is jarring on screen, and there was a lot of that in the later seasons. Designing characters almost from scratch seems like a better option.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2019, 07:28:15 AM: Keep in mind that Fire & Blood was book 1 of a proposed 2-book set, which means that if Martin follows his previous examples, he will most likely take time after completing Winds of Winter to write the Fire & Blood sequel instead of moving on to write A Dream of Spring.

>:(

I am only buoyed by the thought that this also means that Martin will most likely get lapped by showrunners AGAIN in completing one of his stories.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on November 07, 2019, 07:49:59 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 05:50:42 AM
Quote from: RuRoRul on November 07, 2019, 05:00:52 AM
But, stories like that depend on the characters and while there are a couple of figures from the Dance of Dragons that are "super kewl", the material written about these conflicts don't really portray fully drawn characters - again, they're like extended Wikipedia summaries. And frankly, when reading about the Dance of Dragons sometimes it's hard to remember which side some of the people are actually on or what the significance of a particular event is for the overall war. Most of the heavy lifting for making the characters memorable and distinguishable would be on the TV writers and casting.
I see this as a good thing. ASOIAF characters jump off the page and any sort of diversion from how they think and act in the books is jarring on screen, and there was a lot of that in the later seasons. Designing characters almost from scratch seems like a better option.
It's definitely a potential benefit, and if they do go with the Dance of Dragons it could be a much more powerful / memorable portrayal of it than previously written stuff since we'll actually know the characters better and have more investment. I didn't mean it as either a good thing or a bad thing but just something that means it will depend even more on the TV writers being able to flesh out a character and story, a bit like a completely original show based on no source material.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2019, 07:28:15 AM
Keep in mind that Fire & Blood was book 1 of a proposed 2-book set, which means that if Martin follows his previous examples, he will most likely take time after completing Winds of Winter to write the Fire & Blood sequel instead of moving on to write A Dream of Spring.

>:(

I am only buoyed by the thought that this also means that Martin will most likely get lapped by showrunners AGAIN in completing one of his stories.
:lol Don't forget the Dunk & Egg series, I think that's what GRRM said he wanted to return to next after The Winds Of Winter.

At least adapting Fire and Blood they won't have to worry about actor ages. They could even portray Fire and Blood Part 1 in real time and that gives GRRM 130 years to finish Part 2.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2019, 12:06:13 PM: Quote from: RuRoRul on November 07, 2019, 07:49:59 AM
[At least adapting Fire and Blood they won't have to worry about actor ages. They could even portray Fire and Blood Part 1 in real time and that gives GRRM 130 years to finish Part 2.
He won't make it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 07, 2019, 02:10:14 PM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 04:48:05 AM
The budget of GoT was struggling to fit three dragons

I thought this was disproven? that HBO came out and said there was never any limitations on budget....they more or less said 'whatever you need you can have'

Now the 'time' that it takes to craft those scenes via CGI I read is a bear......but I think HBO basically gave those guys a blank check when it came to resources for the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on November 08, 2019, 05:21:23 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on November 07, 2019, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 04:48:05 AM
The budget of GoT was struggling to fit three dragons

I thought this was disproven? that HBO came out and said there was never any limitations on budget....they more or less said 'whatever you need you can have'

Now the 'time' that it takes to craft those scenes via CGI I read is a bear......but I think HBO basically gave those guys a blank check when it came to resources for the show.
There are never no limitations on budget - I think the scale that Season 8 reached was essentially the "whatever you need you can have" version of a TV show. It's often repeated that "HBO wanted to give them more money but they didn't want it", but the correct version I think is that HBO wanted to give them more money for more seasons / episodes but they didn't want it.

Quote
WEISS: Yes. To their credit, they put their money where their mouths are — literally stuffed their mouth full of million-dollar bills which don’t exist anymore. They said, “We’ll give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, and if what it needs to be is a summer tentpole-size spectacle in places, then that’s what it will be.”
BENIOFF: HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. We always believed it was about 73 hours, and it will be roughly that. As much as they wanted more, they understood that this is where the story ends.
https://ew.com/tv/2019/04/09/game-of-thrones-season-8-showrunners-interview/

Obviously the exact budget details aren't known but we know that the show had a huge budget in its final seasons... but even with that it's obvious from watching it that there are still some limitations such as not being able to include huge dragon setpieces in every episode, perhaps having to prioritise what creatures take up more of the CGI budget (from my watch of the whole series, I think the show clearly never had major direwolf fight sequences down, and normally used clever filming / editing choices when they did go into battle). Watching The Last Watch as well it's clear that they were pretty stretched to the maximum in terms of filming. So I don't think it was the case that there were so much more resources per episode, but rather that HBO would have kept funding additional seasons / episodes (presumably at a similar level).

All that is to say that I don't think HBO will be spending much more per episode on a new show than on the final season of Game Of Thrones. And so I don't think they're going to be getting more or better dragon setpieces or battles than Game Of Thrones - at least not without some major tradeoff somewhere else. Realistically they'd probably be better off limiting how often they show dragons and focusing on the smaller scale scenes, especially in the first season. But like I said I expect people will be pretty vocally disappointed if the Targaryen dynasty "only has like 2 dragons lol" so it's a bit of a catch 22 in terms of appealing to people.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2019, 05:26:26 AM: I'm still puzzled about those precise 73 hours. I don't think anyone could come up with a satisfying 6 episodes ending season, given completely free reins but with just the key points having to be respected (White walkers defeated; Cersei going down; Dany dragon-napalming King's Landing; Bran as a king).

Maybe if starting completely from scratch and discarding all the plot points one could come up with a completely different outline that can be executed in 6 episodes, but details and actual realization aside, I still have a hard time imagining how the general idea of "we'll have three episodes for Winterfell and three to wrap it up including Dany losing it" sounded fine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 08, 2019, 06:18:20 AM: They could have given up on portraying parts of GRRM's ending, said "happy surprise! this is our story!" and written six episodes that make sense with what they've been building up towards, in their own show, that didn't follow the fourth book, didn't follow the fifth book, and presumably did not follow the unwritten events of the sixth book (which will contain much more high fantasy, if it ever comes out - the proposed cover has one of those freakin' horns (https://winteriscoming.net/2016/01/04/yes-the-winds-of-winter-cover-with-the-horn-is-the-real-one-for-now/) on it!). As it stands, this ending can be rationalized in some way on the show (and boy, did they try it), but it's not organic and consistent with what they did before. The show was about fundamentally good characters struggling against fundamentally bad characters to (re)gain feudal power, cool battles, assassins, dragons, ice zombies, and crazy Targs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2019, 06:55:55 AM: I'm going to pretend that MirrorMask was being facetious about certain plot points - haha! - but honest question, MoraWintersoul: I sort of thought the magic of the GRRM point of view is that - at least among the main characters, and at least by the standard we live in NOW (as opposed to when the events of Westeros took place) - the characters WEREN'T so clear-cut "fundamentally good/fundamentally bad"? I suppose Cersei is the hardest to put into this box, but every (main) character had a shadow or a side that betrayed what you THOUGHT they were.

Bearing in mind I'm only at the start of Season Seven, Sansa, Arya, Jon Snow, Danaerys, Jamie, Tyrion (who am I missing?) all had elements of fundamental good, leavened with what we might consider "fundamental bad". Doesn't it take a strain of fundamental badness to kill someone out of revenge? Doesn't the unconditional love of one's child betray a fundamental goodness?

Again, honest question; I'm not saying you're wrong at all, I'm trying to compare how I've been viewing the show with what you saw.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 08, 2019, 07:03:36 AM: For giggles last night I sifted through the series and watched every 'major' Drogon/dragon scene of the show and loved every second of it. From the first real display of power when Dany uses Drogon to roast the slave master to her laying waste to Kings Landing.....it's really a spectacle.

I'm torn between my favorite Drogon/Dany scene though. It's either when Drogon rescues her from the slave fighting pits in Mereen or when Dany rides him into Battle and lays waste to the Lannister army. Both are really powerful.

I say this because I know there's this underlying battle between fans of the show where those that loved the nuance and detail of character and plot development seemingly lost out to the oohs and aahs of 'dragons and fire and fights' I was/am a fan of both.

I loved the nuance of the characters and how the story was being told. BUT....not to beat a dead horse.....after the source material dried up those showrunners were incapable of matching GRRM's writing. It's painfully obvious. But they did give quite the spectacle to 'watch'.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 08, 2019, 07:04:48 AM: That's his point of view. The show's point of view was to portray all Starks and their allies (+ Tyrion) as heroic, never-wrong avengers of truth and justice, pretty much. I like the Starks, in this cycle they are definitely fighting to correct the wrongs that have been done to them, but they have and will do some bad things that are never questioned and that we're supposed to cheer for. Tyrion was really whitewashed because he's popular, too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2019, 07:17:08 AM: Quote from: Stadler on November 08, 2019, 06:55:55 AM
I'm going to pretend that MirrorMask was being facetious about certain plot points - haha! -

FFFFUUUUUUUUUU :facepalm:

Sorry for having forgot about you!

But yeah, I'm used to big hyperboles and gross simplifications for sarcastic purpouses so don't take anything I wrote at face value ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2019, 07:27:28 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on November 08, 2019, 07:17:08 AM
Quote from: Stadler on November 08, 2019, 06:55:55 AM
I'm going to pretend that MirrorMask was being facetious about certain plot points - haha! -

FFFFUUUUUUUUUU :facepalm:

Sorry for having forgot about you!

But yeah, I'm used to big hyperboles and gross simplifications for sarcastic purpouses so don't take anything I wrote at face value ;)

Hey, I take responsibility for being behind the curve. I appreciate the consideration of everyone here, but make no mistake: I don't at all feel like any of you have to or should tap dance around; if it gets too revealing, I'll step away. I was just joking with you (and honestly, you didn't really reveal anything that hadn't crossed my mind in some form.)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 08, 2019, 07:35:38 AM: Y'all keep forgetting Stadler is in this thread too :P Stadler, don't read gmillerdrake's comment in depth either!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 08, 2019, 07:44:57 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on November 08, 2019, 07:35:38 AM
Y'all keep forgetting Stadler is in this thread too :P Stadler, don't read gmillerdrake's comment in depth either!

Dang It!!!! I forgot as well......Sorry Bill, I just went back and small fonted what I think could have been spoilerish :(
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Post by: KevShmev on November 08, 2019, 06:09:19 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on November 08, 2019, 07:03:36 AM

I'm torn between my favorite Drogon/Dany scene though. It's either when Drogon rescues her from the slave fighting pits in Mereen or when Dany rides him into Battle and lays waste to the Lannister army. Both are really powerful.

The fighting pits scene was what won me over with the dragons. I always kind of tolerated them, since dragons and that kind of fantasy stuff is normally not my thing, but once I saw the scene where Drogon rescues her from the fighting pits, I was like, okay, that was awesome. :metal :metal

Note: Stadler is on Season 7, so what I posted is not a spoiler since it happened in Season 5. :tup :tup
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Post by: Stadler on November 27, 2019, 04:53:13 PM: So... watched the season finale of Game Of Thrones Season SEVEN (so still have season eight to go), and I have some thoughts.

First, I expect Season Eight to blow chunks. Why? Popular opinion? Nope; couldn't care less. It's the two men I've come to call "the two D-bags". David Benioff (not so much) and D. B. Weiss, whose very initials tell you all you need to know.

I have been reading the "Trivia" section of IMDB as I watched the Season Seven episodes, and so I have a good feel for what is part of the books (i.e. George RR Martin's work) and what is euphemistically called "new content". The Martin stuff is almost universally awesome. Realistic, logic based, HUMAN NATURE based (very important to me) and despite the sensationalism around the show, not sensationalist in and of itself. Even the Jamie/Cersei thing wasn't done to be controversial; it's actually a very important plot point. Ned Stark, same thing. People didn't die Marvel Cinematic Universe-style deaths, they died in the dirt and mud, ugly. The narrative was dramatic, but driven by plot points and story, not bombastic events.

Cue the Douchebag Material^TM. Bronn, riding on at the last minute to heroically save Jamie from the dragon's flames. The Hound (I think) reaching down and saving Jorah Mormont (I think) as he falls from the dragon after Daenarys saved them from the undead. And now we're seeing, instead of 1,000 characters who come in to serve a plot point and are never seen again (or killed off), we now have "all the stars". Why is the Hound or Theon Greyjoy at the meeting between Daenarys, Jon Snow/Jon Sand/Aegon, and Cersei? Brianne of Tarth - in front of Jamie and 50 other people - saying "Fuck oaths"? TOTALLY out of character, and in my view, lazy story writing. Euron just grabbing the hand, throwing it down and slinking away? I know that it was a ploy, but no way Jorah Mormont or The Hound don't see through that.

I get it; we're wrapping up and so story lines have to converge at some point. But the world of Westeros just got VERY small, VERY quickly.

I liked some of the developments; I like how Daenarys is coming to trust Jon. I'm cool with their tryst, even though they are aunt/nephew (not really sure what's the deal there) though I have zero idea how that conundrum is going to be solved. If it's a Martin storyline, it ought to be cool, something subtle, creative, and impactful. If it's the Douche Boys storyline, it will probably be something quippy, stupid or outright banal.

I'm indifferent as to the resolution of the Baelish storyline. I get he had to go, and I get that he was on Sansa's "list" (I don't think she had one, but given that she talked with Arya about that, who knows?) but I can't decide if he was just running out of options or he got careless or the writers are douche bags and made it more obvious, but that last scene where Baelish was telling Sansa "I play a little game" seemed overly obvious and ham-fisted. Baelish doesn't play games, literal or metaphorical.

Looking forward to Season Eight, but with trepidation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on November 27, 2019, 05:25:25 PM: Stadler, I love how you've latched on to the characters and fully understand what they are (or rather, what they SHOULD have been at this point). I was an ardent defender of season 7 because 8 hadn't rolled around, but its biggest flaws are in plain sight having watched season 8. It's awesome that you've seen why the D&D material doesn't hold up to Martin's.

Also great call on Baelish "not playing games." I never made that note before, but you nailed it. NAILED it.
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Post by: Adami on November 27, 2019, 05:30:05 PM: But dragons dude. I mean, why should we care if a show with zombies and dragons makes any sense? Just enjoy how cool it is. Don’t expect The Godfather or Shakespeare.
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Post by: MirrorMask on November 28, 2019, 01:03:39 AM: I agree, brilliant analysis and understanding of the chara

Quote from: Kattelox on November 27, 2019, 05:25:25 PM
Stadler, I love how you've latched on to the characters and fully understand what they are (or rather, what they SHOULD have been at this point). I was an ardent defender of season 7 because 8 hadn't rolled around, but its biggest flaws are in plain sight having watched season 8.

Indeed. It's like if Dream Theater, instead of Scenes from a Memory, would have done after Falling Into Infinity a commercial album in full collaboration with Desmond Child. After FII we would have latched onto Trial of Tears for hope of better things, but You Not Me would have been the warning call and we should have realized it.

Glad that we got SFAM, not so glad about Season 8 ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on November 28, 2019, 02:57:41 AM: Quote from: Stadler on November 27, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
So... watched the season finale of Game Of Thrones Season SEVEN (so still have season eight to go), and I have some thoughts.

First, I expect Season Eight to blow chunks. Why? Popular opinion? Nope; couldn't care less. It's the two men I've come to call "the two D-bags". David Benioff (not so much) and D. B. Weiss, whose very initials tell you all you need to know.

I like you. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Bolsters on November 28, 2019, 03:15:50 AM: Quote from: Stadler on November 27, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
It's the two men I've come to call "the two D-bags". David Benioff (not so much) and D. B. Weiss, whose very initials tell you all you need to know.
I'm quite partial to calling them "2D" (though I can't take credit for having come up with it).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on November 28, 2019, 11:57:46 AM: Stadlers' observations are spot on regarding season seven. I was hoping for less and less of the theatrical/cinematic scale of things but some of it was inevitable I suppose. I still enjoyed for the most part the last two seasons even after a rewatch of the MOST HATED SEASON OF TV (sans Dexter)
Just can't shake that feeling of lost opportunity to end on a blazing note rather than just an OK one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 28, 2019, 12:00:05 PM: Quote from: faizoff on November 28, 2019, 11:57:46 AM
a rewatch of the MOST HATED SEASON OF TV (sans Dexter)

Oh, the feels :lol old wounds reopen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 28, 2019, 12:30:17 PM: Quote from: Stadler on November 27, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
I like how Daenarys is coming to trust Jon. I'm cool with their tryst, even though they are aunt/nephew (not really sure what's the deal there)
You mean, you don't know how they're related, or something else?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on November 29, 2019, 10:53:44 AM: Quote from: MoraWintersoul on November 28, 2019, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: Stadler on November 27, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
I like how Daenarys is coming to trust Jon. I'm cool with their tryst, even though they are aunt/nephew (not really sure what's the deal there)
You mean, you don't know how they're related, or something else?

No, at first - and this is likely my fault for confusing the names - I thought they were brother and sister. I thought this was a sort of reference to Jaime and Cersei.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 29, 2019, 04:58:53 PM: Quote from: Stadler on November 29, 2019, 10:53:44 AM
No, at first - and this is likely my fault for confusing the names - I thought they were brother and sister. I thought this was a sort of reference to Jaime and Cersei.
Yeah, got you. No, it's not, it's just them not knowing who Jon is at this point. There are loads of cousin marriages in Westeros, and of course, Targaryens practice brother/sister incest and everyone else looks at them disapprovingly, so aunt/nephew is one of those gray area things in this universe.

Think I wrote this in another thread, but ASOIAF was only my second "adult" fantasy series after LotR, and getting smacked in the face with Lannister incest in one of the first chapters was hilarious in hindsight contrasted with the relative sexlessness of Tolkien, I was really wondering if I should read on :lol Of course, incest-y plotlines were fairly common in fantasy books Martin was reading in the 70's, because they're a quick way to make you realize you're not reading about our world with our moral rules, but a fantasy world where different sorts of rules apply.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on November 30, 2019, 07:56:31 AM: So, I'm halfway through Season 8 now. I watched through "The Long Night" last night. Uh... I'm of two minds here. I'm not going to comment too too much until I watch all six, but I have this sinking suspicion I've watched the best that Season 8 has to offer, and it goes down hill from here.

I watch the "Inside The Episode" shorts at the end of each episode, and the two D-Bags must've referenced "the characters we love" like 160 times. Plus, D-Bag (Weiss) keeps talking of "Daeny" and, later, "Mel" (Melisandre) as if they are long lost friends, and I cringe every single time. Brah, when you fall in love with your characters, that's the end of the road. We - at least I - count on them to serve the STORY, not my comic book impressions of what SHOULD happen (or what I want to happen) to any given character.

Did I mention, I do not like faux redemption. Theon didn't deserve to have his "moment" (as D-Bag called it). He's been a flawed, failing character all series long, I didn't want nor need a sea change redemption at the end. He could have served Bran and still been true to character, but he wasn't. I'm still processing Jorah, but I think I might feel the same way there. I did like The Hound cowering in the corner, though; that was a nice touch (and I really like The Hound as a character).

I have really come to like Sansa, though. Very much. When she basically called Tyrion a fool for believing his sister, that was priceless.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 30, 2019, 08:41:01 AM: Bill.....I think you nailed it with the diagnosis that those guys fell in love with their characters. It’s evident in the writing....especially the last season. Even in ‘The Long Night’ there was zero reason for Jamie, Brienne, Padrick and Sam to have survived the situations they were in. Or for Jorah to have survived the initial charge into the White Walker hoard.
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Post by: Chino on November 30, 2019, 08:44:11 AM: For some reason, reading Bill's thoughts on this is filling me with joy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 30, 2019, 09:05:18 AM: To be fair, Dany has long been a nickname for her in the entire fandom, so it's not out of this world to see the authors adopt the name as well, but yes, I get your point and I agree that they started to like too much their favorite characters.

Now that you've seen it with a fresh mind and not with the hype of people living it in real time... what do you think of the resolution? I think it's beyond cheap and logistically out of nowhere (not the person, the final act itself), but maybe you liked it and to you it made sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 01, 2019, 12:21:52 PM: So I watched the last three episodes yesterday, and frankly, I'm speechless. I really don't know what I think at this point. It wasn't my choice, but the occupant of the Iron Throne isn't the worst choice of all time (though I think it is a leap). All my points above still hold, but one, the characterizations, is even more strongly felt.

I'm disappointed in several of the outcomes. Varys; he didn't "serve more kings and queens than any man alive" by being careless or sloppy. And yet... his plotting against Danaerys was "Batchelor" level intrigue (which is to say, zero intrigue at all). Bronn; only cares about himself, sells out Tyrion, Jaime, then Cersei to cover/save his own ass. And yet... becomes Master Of Coin to the new regime that is supposedly "breaking the wheel". In fact, that whole King's Council scene made me want to throw my remote at the TV. Even Jon Snow; he's had this dilemma before; the personal honor versus the honor of Man, and he had no problems betraying personal confidences for the betterment of the greater cause, but it seemed as if he went the opposite here. He's naive in some ways, but he can't be that naive after all he has seen. He HAD to know it would turn out as it did (or at least close). I'm not talking about the King's landing outcome, I mean all the intrigue that surrounded it. The way the Unsullied reacted, etc. he's no stranger to intrigue; he lied to the Wildings about the killing of Halfhand (or whatever his name was) so it shouldn't have been a challenge to him.

I did like the Cersei plot line, in the sense that I'm glad there wasn't some huge redemptive play for Arya, or Jaime... though they did forget about the two prophesies (that Cersei would die with hands around her neck, and that Arya would kill brown eyes, blue eyes and green eyes).

I liked Sansa's outcome; she did remain true to her character. But I didn't like the final outcome for Jon or Arya; I thought both were underwhelming and didn't do justice to the characters. I would have thought at least as the last living Targaryan that Jon would have a seat at the council to decide the fate of the Seven Kingdoms. Yes, I know the Unsullied had him, but that was just too simple. It's Game of Fucking Thrones; capture Grey Worm and arrange a trade.

Overall, though, I don't know. I feel... sort of empty. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it, and that's kind of the problem; Game Of Thrones wasn't about neutral.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 01, 2019, 12:41:20 PM: Quote from: Stadler on December 01, 2019, 12:21:52 PM
Overall, though, I don't know. I feel... sort of empty. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it, and that's kind of the problem; Game Of Thrones wasn't about neutral.
Pretty much my feelings too after the show. I didn't feel like talking about the outcome at all and I just wanted to forget it all together which is so sad since it's been my favourite show for so many years.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on December 01, 2019, 01:47:51 PM: The unsullied left. Jon could have turned around after hiding out for a day or two and come back. It was so stupid.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 01, 2019, 02:34:05 PM: Quote from: Chino on December 01, 2019, 01:47:51 PM
The unsullied left. Jon could have turned around after hiding out for a day or two and come back. It was so stupid.

And where the f*** was Ser Davos? He was the epitome of a pragmatic diplomat, but he had every reason - based on the history of the character (partly, but not limited to the Battle of Blackwater Bay) - to side with Aegon Targaryan and demand he be heard. He was with Daenarys because of JON, not her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on December 01, 2019, 03:22:24 PM: Yep.

Never mind the Dothraki, who, upon realizing that their Khaleesi is dead - the same Khaleesi they've served faithfully for many years at this point, crossed an ocean which let's not forget is no small deal for the Dothraki, fought the mythical undead army of the Night King - just decide to pack up and leave. GTFO.
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Post by: MirrorMask on December 02, 2019, 01:25:05 AM: There was also the technicality that, in Dothraki culture, a Khal would choose three bloodriders who would be bound to the Khal for life, and killing themselves upon the Khal's death. Dany chose EVERYONE as her bloodriders, so they should have avenged her death and then commit mass suicide.

Also, speaking of avenging... random Lannister soldiers who were just doing their job, possibly fighting for their own life and home, and that already surrended? slaughter them all to the very last man. Jon Snow kills Daenerys? eh, lock him in a cell and wait for people to decide what to do with him, if the dwarf who turned on Dany says to exile him at worst and make a random cripple a king, that'll do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 02, 2019, 05:19:51 AM: I think D&D kinda forgot about all those details you are all mentioning :lol
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Post by: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 08:01:43 AM: And that goes back to my first couple posts; that's because Douche and Douche fell in love with themselves and the characters. They talked about all this in the "Inside the Episodes". I forget the exact episode, but in one of the late season seven discussions D(ouche) B(ag) kept saying "we love these characters". No we don't. I mean, we do, but we fell in love with the way they were in seasons one through six. Don't go changing them up because you want to get cheers and applause at some Game Of Thrones watching party, which is what I felt was more important in late season seven and most of season eight.

My opinion only; I know my daughter is already getting tired of me saying that. "Dad, you got to get over that Marvel Comics thing, for real." :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 02:20:06 PM: Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but I was in the shower today thinking of Varys... wait, let me rephrase that.

I think as time goes on I'm most bothered by the resolution to the Varys story line. That just seemed to false to me. Varys was the guy that was willing to let Ned Stark die for the good of the kingdom, and he can't figure a way to get Jon Snow to see it his way? Tyrion did, albeit too late, but Varys is in that way more crafty than Tyrion. He's the Spider for f***'s sake.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on December 02, 2019, 02:46:01 PM: Stadler, if you have time, I really think you'd love Lindsay Ellis's witty, sometimes dry, but thoroughly academic breakdown of what exactly went wrong with the end of Game of Thrones. I think you'd agree with a lot of her sayings, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hys_m3BPTS8 for part 1, if you're curious and have the time. Just sharing because there's a lot of points you're touching on that she hits on, particularly Varys and how stupid he gets at the end due to the writing. After watching her videos I can't get enough of the little "ho-hum" move Varys does where he drums his knuckles on the table. Kind of sums up how much D&D knew what to do with Varys after Martin's material ran dry. Lol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on December 02, 2019, 02:49:11 PM: Quote from: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 02:20:06 PM
Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but I was in the shower today thinking of Varys... wait, let me rephrase that.

I think as time goes on I'm most bothered by the resolution to the Varys story line. That just seemed to false to me. Varys was the guy that was willing to let Ned Stark die for the good of the kingdom, and he can't figure a way to get Jon Snow to see it his way? Tyrion did, albeit too late, but Varys is in that way more crafty than Tyrion. He's the Spider for f***'s sake.

I think you're COMPLETELY missing the point there bro. I mean....remember when the dragon came out of the darkness and burned him alive?

WASN'T THAT SO COOL!?!?!?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 02, 2019, 03:11:01 PM: Quote from: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 02:20:06 PM
Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but I was in the shower today thinking of Varys...
As one will.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on December 02, 2019, 03:21:46 PM: Quote from: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 02:20:06 PM
Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but I was in the shower today thinking of Varys... wait, let me rephrase that.

I think as time goes on I'm most bothered by the resolution to the Varys story line. That just seemed to false to me. Varys was the guy that was willing to let Ned Stark die for the good of the kingdom, and he can't figure a way to get Jon Snow to see it his way? Tyrion did, albeit too late, but Varys is in that way more crafty than Tyrion. He's the Spider for f***'s sake.

Well, I lknow this takes out all the fun, but.... try to apply Occam's Razor, or if you prefer, Littlefinger's speech about "I think the worst in a man's behavior and then I see how much that justifies their actions".

Take Star Wars for example - we could debate hours about some stuff in the original trilogy, especially the first movie... why Obi-Wan called Darth Vader "Darth"? why he told Luke he killed Anakin? why Leila kissed Luke out of spite?

Try to answer all those questions with "George Lucas didn't have the whole trilogy planned and he made it up as he went along". See how that explains all those head-scratching moments from Star Wars.

Now, onto any plot decision that puzzles you for the last two season of Game of Thrones. Try to answer any question with "D&D's main dream was to reach the Red Wedding, from then on they gradually lost interest with the show and decided eventually to wrap it up as quick as possible, using the bullet points GRRM gave them to reach the ending". See how well that explains what happened in the final two seasons. It explains it pretty well if you ask me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 02, 2019, 04:32:04 PM: Varys is an incredibly opaque character. Even in scenes where he's all alone with characters who are about to die, you have no idea if he is telling the truth. Right now we have about half a clue as to why he is doing what he is doing right now (in the books), but no idea about his long game. So that whole plotline is deleted and we get Varys as a sort of a protector of the realm, the one that the audience can look to to see what the good of the realm actually is. Pretty good, if you ask me, the series lacks characters to look at, in that sense. And he wants to crown Dany at first, for obvious reasons.

The whole point of Targaryens ruling is that, while they effectively colonized the continent with their dragons (which is, well, bad), at least the dragons can quickly extinguish rebellions and maintain peace between the different kingdoms. So far so good. Then you have the wars between different dragon riders, and then the dragons slowly die out, and what you're left with is a bunch of foreign-looking weirdos who squabble between each other, "answer to neither gods nor men", aren't too reproductively successful due to all the incest, have a proclivity towards doing dumb shit to hatch another dragon (https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Summerhall), and so on and so forth. So when Dany comes with three dragons and armies after a series of successful conquests, it's logical that Varys backs her, because that's good for the realm. You won't have bitter families fighting to see who gets the throne anymore, and we're back to "normalcy". Good for the whole "game of thrones" bit of the show.

But Varys loses his freaking mind over Jon because he dunnwannit, even though he has no armies, no dragons and a very suspicious claim to the throne. It's because he is there to show the audience where we should look, so his sudden loss of intelligence and cunning is supposed to say "hey look, I'm against her now and you should quit rooting for her and start rooting for Jon, because that's the story beat we're trying to hit now, and now she's torching me, gbye, remember what I told you". It makes zero sense because they're bad at writing characters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 06:06:43 PM: Mora, I appreciate your insight, and I think I agree, at least insofar as the two D-Bags go.

One thing the last three episodes did, though, is spur me on to read the books. Now my dilemma is, do I start now, or wait until Martin gets another volume out (I understand there are two more in the series).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 02, 2019, 06:12:23 PM: In all honesty, the chance of GGRM putting out one more book in the series is fairly low, let alone two. I'd consider it a series unlikely to actually be finished, and proceed based on your level of comfort with that designation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on December 02, 2019, 07:49:47 PM: On another note, the season 8 boxset comes out tomorrow and I was originally planning to grab the collector's edition box but it's $250 which is way too steep for me. I think I'll stick to the regular season 8 set.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 03, 2019, 06:13:19 AM: Quote from: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 06:06:43 PM
Now my dilemma is, do I start now, or wait until Martin gets another volume out (I understand there are two more in the series).
Don't know what to tell you. I'm very glad I read them, the books are so insanely rich in symbolism, the reread value is immense, but there's a 90% chance the last book is never coming out, and that's optimistic of me. Three years ago we were waiting for the sixth book announcement/release date, and instead we got "yeah, it's not happening, sorry about that", and insider reports have come out saying he was very close to finishing but scrapped hundreds of pages. Some optimists say there's a chance the sixth book is coming out next year, so if you still wanna read them next year even if it doesn't come out, go for it. There's also two "history"/"world" books and three lovely novellas in the world so there's a lot of content.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2019, 08:35:25 AM: Given how mixed the reaction was to the final season and how vocal the dissenters have been, I'll be curious to see how well the box set of the entire series sells, especially given that high cost.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2019, 09:18:46 AM: Quote from: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 06:06:43 PM
Mora, I appreciate your insight, and I think I agree, at least insofar as the two D-Bags go.

One thing the last three episodes did, though, is spur me on to read the books. Now my dilemma is, do I start now, or wait until Martin gets another volume out (I understand there are two more in the series).

The books are great, a much more in depth world GRRM built there. However, I wouldn't recommend anyone read them at this point. You'll end up just like the rest of us, angry. I think reading the books before watching has benefits, but reading after watching and knowing there is likely no end in the books feels like kind of a huge disappointment and waste of time. Those books are very long. But if you want more from the GOT universe, that's where you can get it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 09:54:52 AM: Hey, quick informal poll: what say us about Jaime Lannister. Did he know he was going to his death? Did he PLAN on going to his death (that is, he realized, seeing Danaerys and being with Brienne that he had to end her downward spiral)? Had Cersei and/or he lived, he would have been a "Lannister" and would not have been able to distance himself from the house like Tyrion did; I'm starting to think that he led Cersei downstairs knowing they would never come back out, and knowing she would die there but at least calm in the knowledge she wasn't going to burn at the mouth of a dragon, or die by the bite of a wolf.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2019, 10:10:33 AM: Quote from: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 09:54:52 AM
Hey, quick informal poll: what say us about Jaime Lannister. Did he know he was going to his death? Did he PLAN on going to his death (that is, he realized, seeing Danaerys and being with Brienne that he had to end her downward spiral)? Had Cersei and/or he lived, he would have been a "Lannister" and would not have been able to distance himself from the house like Tyrion did; I'm starting to think that he led Cersei downstairs knowing they would never come back out, and knowing she would die there but at least calm in the knowledge she wasn't going to burn at the mouth of a dragon, or die by the bite of a wolf.

I think Jaime had every intention of getting Cersei and himself out there using the escape boat and route Tyrion had set up, but once he got down there and saw that all paths out were blocked due to fallen rocks, he knew their fate was sealed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on December 03, 2019, 10:20:17 AM: I'm with Kev. He had every intention of coming out of that castle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 03, 2019, 10:40:42 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on December 03, 2019, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 09:54:52 AM
Hey, quick informal poll: what say us about Jaime Lannister. Did he know he was going to his death? Did he PLAN on going to his death (that is, he realized, seeing Danaerys and being with Brienne that he had to end her downward spiral)? Had Cersei and/or he lived, he would have been a "Lannister" and would not have been able to distance himself from the house like Tyrion did; I'm starting to think that he led Cersei downstairs knowing they would never come back out, and knowing she would die there but at least calm in the knowledge she wasn't going to burn at the mouth of a dragon, or die by the bite of a wolf.

I think Jaime had every intention of getting Cersei and himself out there using the escape boat and route Tyrion had set up, but once he got down there and saw that all paths out were blocked due to fallen rocks, he knew their fate was sealed.

Quote from: Chino on December 03, 2019, 10:20:17 AM
I'm with Kev. He had every intention of coming out of that castle.

Yeah. He was a cunning warrior and there was no way he was just trying to get them both a comfortable death. He went back for her to rescue her and to escape.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 03, 2019, 10:46:24 AM: I would vote to read the books. However, I rage daily that the next book isn't yet out, and I wouldn't be surprised if the final volume never gets written, let alone published.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on December 03, 2019, 11:18:56 AM: Read the books, Stadler, if only to get through the first one. I tried reading them multiple times throughout the years all the way back to high school, but after the show wrapped I got through the first book, and just... wow. It finally clicked, and it's an incredible read. Definitely one of the best written fantasy novels you'll find.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 11:25:56 AM: Interesting. For what it's worth, Jaime was one of my favorite characters in that show. ("Favorite" as in "interesting", not necessarily "likeable", though I really like Nickolai Coster-Waldau).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on December 03, 2019, 11:55:16 AM: At some point over the next couple of years I want to rewatch the whole series. I really don't mind the final season other than the fact that so many people survived the Battle of Winterfell. I don't even really mind Bran "winning" the throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on December 03, 2019, 12:01:11 PM: Quote from: Chino on October 30, 2019, 02:26:35 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2019, 01:16:31 PM: Quote from: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
Interesting. For what it's worth, Jaime was one of my favorite characters in that show. ("Favorite" as in "interesting", not necessarily "likeable", though I really like Nickolai Coster-Waldau).

I can't say Jaime became one of my favorites, but I hated him early on and couldn't wait for his eventual death, and then really came around to liking him quite a bit.

If you like Coster-Waldau, check out some of the interviews he has done with Gwendoline Christie (Brienne of Tarth); they are all over YouTube. Those two together are hysterical.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on December 03, 2019, 02:50:06 PM: Quote from: Stadler on December 03, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
Interesting. For what it's worth, Jaime was one of my favorite characters in that show. ("Favorite" as in "interesting", not necessarily "likeable", though I really like Nickolai Coster-Waldau).

Yeah, same here, he was very fun to watch. Also, his scene in the bathroom with Brienne when he explains what really happened to the Mad King is one of the very best of the entire show. That's probably when basically everyone changed their opinion of Jaimie.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2019, 03:03:33 PM: I always liked Jaime until the end. His character was one, similar to Joffrey, that I loved to hate. He was such an ass, but I enjoyed hating him. Then he turned, and you felt for him, and you began to actually like him. His jokes weren't just asshole type of jokes, they were funny too. His nicknames for everyone were great. But him turning back to Cersei really made me dislike him, and not the love to hate. Just hate at that point. I hated his character going back for her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2019, 03:38:31 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on December 03, 2019, 03:03:33 PM
I always liked Jaime until the end. His character was one, similar to Joffrey, that I loved to hate. He was such an ass, but I enjoyed hating him. Then he turned, and you felt for him, and you began to actually like him. His jokes weren't just asshole type of jokes, they were funny too. His nicknames for everyone were great. But him turning back to Cersei really made me dislike him, and not the love to hate. Just hate at that point. I hated his character going back for her.

But it was very realistic. By the time humans reach adulthood, we are who we are, and while we saw Jaime's good side come out as the seasons went on, he was still the guy who always knew who and what Cersei was, and loved her anyway. Once it became clear that Daenerys and the North were going to invade King's Landing and likely win the war, his love for her got the best of him again and all he could think about was getting to trying to save her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 03, 2019, 03:42:03 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on December 03, 2019, 03:38:31 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on December 03, 2019, 03:03:33 PM
I always liked Jaime until the end. His character was one, similar to Joffrey, that I loved to hate. He was such an ass, but I enjoyed hating him. Then he turned, and you felt for him, and you began to actually like him. His jokes weren't just asshole type of jokes, they were funny too. His nicknames for everyone were great. But him turning back to Cersei really made me dislike him, and not the love to hate. Just hate at that point. I hated his character going back for her.

But it was very realistic. By the time humans reach adulthood, we are who we are, and while we saw Jaime's good side come out as the seasons went on, he was still the guy who always knew who and what Cersei was, and loved her anyway. Once it became clear that Daenerys and the North were going to invade King's Landing and likely win the war, his love for her got the best of him again and all he could think about was getting to trying to save her.

My feeling isn't necessarily a bash on the story. I think the end results is what you say, he is who he is and that is someone madly in love with his sister. But it doesn't change the fact I hated him for it. He was soooo close to overcoming it all. Even understanding that he went for what he loved, he loved Cersei and I can't help but absolutely hate that even after all the things he overcame.

edit: although I do think his storyline was rushed like all them in the final season so maybe if the story did flesh this out a bit more, I could have found a way to still enjoy his character. The story being rushed didn't do this any favors.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2019, 03:46:46 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on December 03, 2019, 03:42:03 PM

My feeling isn't necessarily a bash on the story. I think the end results is what you say, he is who he is and that is someone madly in love with his sister. But it doesn't change the fact I hated him for it. He was soooo close to overcoming it all. Even understanding that he went for what he loved, he loved Cersei and I can't help but absolutely hate that even after all the things he overcame.

I hear ya. It was tough to see at the beginning, but Jaime always had good qualities to go along with the bad ones; remember how, in Season 1 following his duel with Ned, he told Tywin, who asked why he was still alive, that he didn't kill him because a guard interfered and his death wouldn't have been clean? That was the attitude of someone who at least had some honor and sense of what was right, even if his many bad qualities made them hard to see at first. And let's be honest, I suspect most of us who had not read the books had issues seeing any good in him for a while following what he did to Bran at the end of Episode 1 of Season 1, even when it was there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 04, 2019, 02:11:09 AM: The Cersei thing could have gone either way, and with some better writing and directing, this outcome would have been very compelling to watch. As we see by the questions in this thread, it's not even 100% clear whether Jaime thought he was on a suicide mission or not. The moment when he realized they would die should have been a big moment for him, as he reconciles with everything.

What really bugs me is the "I never really cared for [the smallfolk] anyway" line. Like, way to crap on the best Jaime moment ever.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on December 04, 2019, 07:43:15 AM: Watching the season 8 bluray the episodes look a lot better already than the streaming version. Esp the long night episode, there was no obvious banding on the dark scenes with the dragons. It looked great on bluray I would think it would look even more amazing on 4K.

Also listened to two commentaries, one with Director Miguel Sapochnik and his DP and cameraman on the long night episode. They joked a lot about the 'can't see anything' aspect of the episode. Miguel also mentioned how about 60 mins of shot footage was dropped from the episode. They shot so many things during that massive 55 day and night schedule.

The other commentary was the season finale with Emilia Clark and D&D. Emilia Clarke asked D&D what their favorite seasons were and they said 4 was peak fun. After that 6 & 8 were next but was a massive logistics puzzle.
Other tidbits were how everyone was talking about the starbucks coffee when it wasn't even a starbucks cup.

The making-of features are great, will dive into the histories and lore portions soon, those are always my favorite of these sets.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 04, 2019, 07:46:41 AM: Devil's advocate here, but other than Bran, what did Jaime do that was objectively THAT crappy? Okay, so he boned his sister, repeatedly, but we know that's not a huge deal in Westeros. He went along with a lot, but that's hardly a crime. If it was, then virtually every character - including St. Ned Stark - was guilty. He spared Ned's life; he honored his oath to to the crown (remember the sequence where Tywin tried to get him to go back to Casterly Rock)? He was honorable to Brienne, he was honorable, to Catelyn Stark, he joined the existential fight against the dead...

And as I'm typing this, it dawns on me: there's not a 1,000 miles of difference between Jaime Lannister and Jon/Aegon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on December 04, 2019, 08:00:53 AM: You have also to consider his upbriging. Golden child, everyone praising and asskissing him, the heir to the Lannister fortune, an awesome swordfighter... he was born into wealth, praised for it, and fucked up literally and figuratively by her stupid hot sister, for whom he decided to join the Kingsguard to stay close to her.

He served under a mad king (duh, his actual nickname) and resorted to kill him to spare the entire capital from exploding in a mayhem of wildfire, and he's forever branded "kingslayer", "man without honor", with everyone thinking he's the biggest asshole in Westeros. There's only so much of this that he can take before eventually going "ah, screw it" and live up to his reputation, because why bother trying to explain what you did.

He had always that honorable side of him, he was just fucked up for life (in more ways than once) by his sister, he just had to get away from her to start behaving better, thanks also to the positive influence of other people.

If you look back knowing what we know, he basically did his "confession" like he did to Brienne to Catelyn as well, while he was her prisoner; when confronted with breaking his oaths, he said that you swear so many oaths that one contradicted the other, especially if the king would massacre thousands of innocents. It's just that he told in such a smug way that the actual implication was not understood, but he basically told Catelyn what he told Brienne - "Look, the king was a major asshole, I did King's Landing a favor by killing him".

Which, as was said above, made his final remark "I never cared for the innocent people" more infuriating.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 04, 2019, 08:12:44 AM: Honestly, Jon did exactly what Jaime did and for the exact same reasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on December 04, 2019, 08:28:03 AM: Quote from: Stadler on December 04, 2019, 07:46:41 AM
Devil's advocate here, but other than Bran, what did Jaime do that was objectively THAT crappy? Okay, so he boned his sister, repeatedly, but we know that's not a huge deal in Westeros.

I think it's a big deal when that boning results in Joffrey, and Jaime keeping his secrets grants him the throne.

His secret devil spawn killed Ned and unleashed a shit wave across Westeros.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on December 04, 2019, 08:49:54 AM: Quote from: Stadler on December 04, 2019, 07:46:41 AM
Devil's advocate here, but other than Bran, what did Jaime do that was objectively THAT crappy? Okay, so he boned his sister, repeatedly, but we know that's not a huge deal in Westeros. He went along with a lot, but that's hardly a crime. If it was, then virtually every character - including St. Ned Stark - was guilty. He spared Ned's life; he honored his oath to to the crown (remember the sequence where Tywin tried to get him to go back to Casterly Rock)? He was honorable to Brienne, he was honorable, to Catelyn Stark, he joined the existential fight against the dead...

And as I'm typing this, it dawns on me: there's not a 1,000 miles of difference between Jaime Lannister and Jon/Aegon.

He also murdered his cousin (I think it was his cousin) and was a key figure in many many other horrible acts, even if he himself did not personally do them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2019, 08:53:27 AM: The way Jaime taunted Catelyn about "poor dead Ned" made it easy to hate him as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on December 04, 2019, 08:55:21 AM: So I haven't read any of the books, but for those who have...how redemptive is Jaime's arc? Does he have one or is that more of the show's doing?

I'm just wondering because the actor is soooo likable that I wouldn't be too shocked if they changed the character to reflect that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on December 04, 2019, 08:57:01 AM: Quote from: Adami on December 04, 2019, 08:49:54 AM
Quote from: Stadler on December 04, 2019, 07:46:41 AM
Devil's advocate here, but other than Bran, what did Jaime do that was objectively THAT crappy? Okay, so he boned his sister, repeatedly, but we know that's not a huge deal in Westeros. He went along with a lot, but that's hardly a crime. If it was, then virtually every character - including St. Ned Stark - was guilty. He spared Ned's life; he honored his oath to to the crown (remember the sequence where Tywin tried to get him to go back to Casterly Rock)? He was honorable to Brienne, he was honorable, to Catelyn Stark, he joined the existential fight against the dead...

And as I'm typing this, it dawns on me: there's not a 1,000 miles of difference between Jaime Lannister and Jon/Aegon.

He also murdered his cousin (I think it was his cousin) and was a key figure in many many other horrible acts, even if he himself did not personally do them.

This. His captive cousin by the Starks. Easily the worst thing he did IMO. He also had that cocky attitude that is easy to dislike.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on December 04, 2019, 09:01:36 AM: Quote from: Adami on December 04, 2019, 08:55:21 AM
So I haven't read any of the books, but for those who have...how redemptive is Jaime's arc? Does he have one or is that more of the show's doing?

I'm just wondering because the actor is soooo likable that I wouldn't be too shocked if they changed the character to reflect that.
I'd say it's at least the same, if not more so. Hard to compare for sure since the books aren't over and only have Jaime's story up to a point (they include much of the events of Season 6 for Jaime, but it's different because Jaime never went to Dorne so this is still occurring during the events of Season 5 for other characters, also the last chapter of Jaime from the books is going towards something that wasn't in the show). Also it's hard to say whether the similar storyline in the books is necessarily "more redemptive" or just better written / allows us to see even more of the character's mindset which makes him seem more sympathetic.

Jaime Lannister wasn't a POV character until book 3, so in the books you didn't even really see as much of him as you did in earlier seasons of the show, most people would've likely saw him as a straight villain. In books 3-5 he definitely is redeemed in the reader's eyes, both because of actions like helping Brienne, and because of getting his perspective on his past.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on December 04, 2019, 09:09:02 AM: Quote from: Adami on December 04, 2019, 08:55:21 AM
So I haven't read any of the books, but for those who have...how redemptive is Jaime's arc? Does he have one or is that more of the show's doing?

I'm just wondering because the actor is soooo likable that I wouldn't be too shocked if they changed the character to reflect that.

He has a somewhat redemptive arc going, but what really makes a difference in the books is that each chapter is told from a certain character's point of view. It becomes easier to empathize with Jaime when we start seeing things from his POV.

In contrast, when Cersei starts getting POV chapters, she's still a c*nt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on December 04, 2019, 09:20:51 AM: Just want to take a moment to remember the One True Queen and the Finest Lady In Westeros, Margaery Tyrell :heart :hefdaddy :heart :hefdaddy :heart
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on December 04, 2019, 05:07:59 PM: Quote from: Kattelox on December 04, 2019, 09:20:51 AM
Just want to take a moment to remember the One True Queen and the Finest Lady In Westeros, Margaery Tyrell :heart :hefdaddy :heart :hefdaddy :heart
:heart :heart :heart

I wish Natalie was still available and willing to play her and that they had done a (well-written! can't stress this enough) subplot of Marg somehow coming out on top and ruling King's Landing (say, through still-alive Tommen) when Dany ultimately comes along. It would have given her later antagonists the reasons to try and talk Dany out of burning KL, instead of the siege dilemma they were pushing. "Okay, this was nice, now ride with me so I can liberate my Throne!" - "yeah, we all like the Tyrell queen, and we don't want to murder children so you can have the throne, so good luck with that". At the same time, she would have maybe had an ally or two, because they all know Tommen isn't legitimate, and for some people, the ends justify the means.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on December 05, 2019, 01:17:05 AM: Indeed! as I said in the past, I didn't read the books but I read a lot about the books, so - keeping it vague for Stadler - I know there's a whole plotline completely absent from the show, when there's ANOTHER and BETTER claimant to the Iron Throne, who might even be an impostor but could be really liked by the crowds.

That, and your Margaery hypothesis, would have been a nice subversion of the trope of the liberating savior. Literature is full of tales of the brave legitimate ruler who comes back to take the land from a tyrant, but what if the real, rightful ruler comes along and people are "Nah, we're good with what we have, thank you"? THAT would be a legit tipping point for Dany, not that confused bullshit we got in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on December 05, 2019, 07:31:37 AM: I appreciate the respect shown here for spoilers and what not, but in case anyone cares, I'm far less worried about spoilers for the books. It's a different experience for me. I've read the Blade Runner book about 10 times, and it's not like I don't know what's coming. With reading, it's the experience, the immersion. The shows, not so much, because there's always that "wow factor" of seeing something for the first time.

EDIT: To the second part of your post, MirrorMask, it's not like Martin completely revolutionized the fantasy genre, but he did do, I think, a great job of staying away from tropes, and balancing the epic with the mundane. The D-Bags did a decent job of reflecting that in the first six seasons, and I would have liked to see a little more effort to continue that through 7 and 8. As some of you know from other threads here, I'm not really all that thrilled in asserting what people's motives are if I haven't had the conversation with them (directly or indirectly) but I think there's a really strong argument that these two began to believe their own hype and got ahead of their skis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on December 05, 2019, 07:46:35 AM: Quote from: Stadler on December 05, 2019, 07:31:37 AM
I appreciate the respect shown here for spoilers and what not, but in case anyone cares, I'm far less worried about spoilers for the books. It's a different experience for me. I've read the Blade Runner book about 10 times, and it's not like I don't know what's coming. With reading, it's the experience, the immersion. The shows, not so much, because there's always that "wow factor" of seeing something for the first time.

I'm telling ya, in that case, you're gonna love reading the scenes with Ned and Robert. SO DAMN GOOD.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 06, 2020, 10:24:21 AM: I miss the excitement between seasons, I think binge watching a show like GoT isn't really the same as seeing seasons when they aired. The journey every character makes feels greater when you stretch it over 8 years. Of course there's other benefits by binge watching a show but I think that's one thing you can't really replicate any other way unless you go hardcore binging and wait a year between seasons. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on January 06, 2020, 10:34:00 AM: For me "binging" is watching one episode, maximum two per day. And I would have done so even with the latter series, but they were such a cultural phenomenon that it was impossible to avoid spoilers (unless you were renouncing social media altogether), and so I caved in and watched every episode since season 5 in real time or as close as I could. I would have gladly waited until the final season was over and watch it all in a week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2020, 02:24:46 PM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 06, 2020, 10:24:21 AM
I miss the excitement between seasons, I think binge watching a show like GoT isn't really the same as seeing seasons when they aired. The journey every character makes feels greater when you stretch it over 8 years. Of course there's other benefits by binge watching a show but I think that's one thing you can't really replicate any other way unless you go hardcore binging and wait a year between seasons. :lol

What you miss while binge watching is the discussion about what you just watched. This thread here is a great example. You learn so much more when talking about it and it gets you even more excited for the next episode. When binging you end up missing out on a lot of the finer details which GOT is filled with.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: The Walrus on September 10, 2020, 09:38:00 AM: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54106509

RIP Diana Rigg. :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on September 10, 2020, 09:49:56 AM: "Tell the world. I want them to know one of the very best things about Game of Thrones was me".

:'(

And the list of sucky things about 2020 grows longer yet!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Bolsters on September 10, 2020, 07:22:06 PM: :-\
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on September 10, 2020, 07:25:28 PM: I know most people today will remember her from GoT, and a lot of people will remember her from The Avengers.

But me? I'll remember her how I can only assume she truly wanted to be remembered.

Having a condom flung unto her head by Daniel Radcliffe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on September 10, 2020, 08:42:59 PM: Quote from: Adami on September 10, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
I know most people today will remember her from GoT, and a lot of people will remember her from The Avengers.

But me? I'll remember her how I can only assume she truly wanted to be remembered.

Having a condom flung unto her head by Daniel Radcliffe.

That scene was hilarious in Extras.

RIP Olenna
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 10, 2021, 10:16:09 AM: HBO trying to ruin my weekend by airing GOT all weekend. Watching these early episodes is awesome
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on April 10, 2021, 10:37:35 AM: Been listening to the soundtrack of all seasons a lot recently so I'm due for a full re-watch of the show. The boxset got released on 4k, mulling a re-purchase sometime as now I have a 4k setup.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 11, 2021, 01:43:34 PM: Eh, I don't see this being a show I end up inclined to rewatch. As amazing as most of the seasons are, knowing that most of the big narrative threads and set ups don't actually go anywhere would make it harder to really enjoy I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 11, 2021, 02:25:15 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 11, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Eh, I don't see this being a show I end up inclined to rewatch. As amazing as most of the seasons are, knowing that most of the big narrative threads and set ups don't actually go anywhere would make it harder to really enjoy I think.
Sadly I feel the same. I did a recap before the last season and I enjoyed that very much but after the finale the magic kinda went away. Hopefully the next show will restore it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2021, 03:12:46 PM: What would be a good point to stop to watch the show?

If we pretend Olenna is the real protagonist, we can end with her death, but then we'd miss on the awesome "loot train attack" as it has been described (dragons and Dothrakis against the Lannister army).

We could pretend Jaimie is the protagonist and that he dies at the end of that episode, when he plunges into the lake after being nearly roasted by Drogon, that could work, after the last truly awesome episode.

Or we could call it a day after the season 7 finale, with the Wall coming down and imaging the impending doom for all of Westeros, but that would mean to relive again the festival of contrivancies and plot conveniences that the whole "let's get a wight to show Cersei" farce was.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Evermind on April 12, 2021, 10:50:19 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 11, 2021, 03:12:46 PM
What would be a good point to stop to watch the show?

The ending of season 4 :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on April 12, 2021, 11:10:55 AM: I'd say finish the show if you choose to start it. That way you can understand all the memes that shit on season 7 and 8.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on April 12, 2021, 11:22:39 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on April 11, 2021, 03:12:46 PM
Or we could call it a day after the season 7 finale, with the Wall coming down and imaging the impending doom for all of Westeros, but that would mean to relive again the festival of contrivancies and plot conveniences that the whole "let's get a wight to show Cersei" farce was.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the plot, these episodes gave us some great groups of characters - watching Jon Snow, Jorah, The Hound, Gendry and others all venture out beyond the wall was pretty damn cool, given that those characters were never really around each other in earlier seasons. The same with the big giant meeting in Kings Landing, where EVERYONE was together.

The show kept so many characters separate for 6 seasons, so seeing them all interact together during 7 and 8 was definitely my favorite element of those final seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 12, 2021, 12:31:47 PM: Oh yeah, on that I agree, specially the suicide squad beyond the wall was very cool. I just wished it came together more organically and not going backwards from the plot point "we have to get a dragon killed beyond the wall".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on April 12, 2021, 02:39:49 PM: Starting a show with no intention of finishing it makes no sense to me. For some shows, that can work ok I guess, like those where each season is a fairly self-contained narrative/story. But GOT is one of those shows that's one big story, and where right from the start it puts a lot of time and focus on setting up long arcs that are meant to work throughout the whole show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2021, 03:00:47 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 12, 2021, 02:39:49 PM
Starting a show with no intention of finishing it makes no sense to me. For some shows, that can work ok I guess, like those where each season is a fairly self-contained narrative/story. But GOT is one of those shows that's one big story, and where right from the start it puts a lot of time and focus on setting up long arcs that are meant to work throughout the whole show.

The largest disappointment for me was the whole Jon Snow being Aegon Targaryen. That underlying storyline and all the things that happened leading into the 'reveal'.....then, it's literally just wasted. I get that Jon killing the Night King would have been the 'easy' way out but that's where the story was going. It absolutely should have been him to defeat the Night King but the two dumbasses running the show thought they'd get cute with it. Arya certainly had the chops to do it but this random Arya kill just to be shocking failed the Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen story that had been building for seasons. Not to mention then he's just literally cast aside and underutilized in the aftermath of it all. It was such poor writing and decisions made with his character in particular.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 12, 2021, 03:24:48 PM: Even the killing of the Night King and the consequent annihilation of the entire army of White Walkers was so cheap. Just go for the final boss and you won. Winter is coming here, winter is coming there, the very first scene was about the White Walkers, essentially the entire premise was "look at all these selfish assholes playing at a game, the game of thrones, while unaware of the REAL and existential menace, the one that's coming from beyond the Wall".... all of that potential wasted.

They spent 8 years promising us World War II, and Hitler got shanked the moment he entered Poland.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2021, 06:36:41 PM: Quote from: Grappler on April 12, 2021, 11:22:39 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on April 11, 2021, 03:12:46 PM
Or we could call it a day after the season 7 finale, with the Wall coming down and imaging the impending doom for all of Westeros, but that would mean to relive again the festival of contrivancies and plot conveniences that the whole "let's get a wight to show Cersei" farce was.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the plot, these episodes gave us some great groups of characters - watching Jon Snow, Jorah, The Hound, Gendry and others all venture out beyond the wall was pretty damn cool, given that those characters were never really around each other in earlier seasons. The same with the big giant meeting in Kings Landing, where EVERYONE was together.

The show kept so many characters separate for 6 seasons, so seeing them all interact together during 7 and 8 was definitely my favorite element of those final seasons.

Agreed. While the premise of going to get a wight to bring to Cersei was pretty absurd, the episode itself with them beyond the wall was pretty great. Daenerys swooping in with her dragons to lay the smackdown on the undead and then the Night King taking down Viserion is one of the most bad ass sequences of the last two seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on April 13, 2021, 03:47:45 PM: Quote from: ariich on April 12, 2021, 02:39:49 PM
Starting a show with no intention of finishing it makes no sense to me. For some shows, that can work ok I guess, like those where each season is a fairly self-contained narrative/story. But GOT is one of those shows that's one big story, and where right from the start it puts a lot of time and focus on setting up long arcs that are meant to work throughout the whole show.

Yup. I can see starting and stopping due to not liking it, but going in with the intention to stop seems odd to me. I think if you get knee deep in the story, you'll want to finish it. It's such a deep/rich overall storyline for the show that I can't see how someone, even knowing that the end was not good, would want to walk away.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Elite on April 14, 2021, 11:00:33 AM: I haven't watched anything in between halfway through season 4 and the last episode of the final season :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on April 14, 2021, 11:19:15 AM: Quote from: Elite on April 14, 2021, 11:00:33 AM
I haven't watched anything in between halfway through season 4 and the last episode of the final season :lol

That's like not listening anything from DT after Scenes from a Memory and then listening to Raw Dog.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 05, 2021, 03:49:53 PM: House Of The Dragon | Official Teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNwwt25mheo&ab_channel=HBOMax)

I'm excited! The only thing missing is a great theme music, hopefully that will come in the trailer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: faizoff on October 05, 2021, 08:19:35 PM: I'm hopeful it will be entertaining. I have seen the animated short that got released with the season seven boxset and it was a very interesting story. The series will obviously be a lot more fleshed out and should have pretty visuals.

Also maybe we make another thread for the new show?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on October 05, 2021, 08:22:28 PM: New teaser trailer looks awesome!

I was meaning to bump this thread - I'm re-watching Game of Thrones. Started Season 1 the other day and I'm nearly finished. I'm picking up on a lot more things that I'd either forgotten, or seeing some small breadcrums being laid for the future seasons.

What I did notice is that the final two seasons were blasted hard for the quick pace and the show ignoring the passage of time. Well guess what, that occurred early on in the first season as well. Sansa sent a raven to Winterfell after Ned Stark's arrest for treason, and in the very next scene, Robb Stark is reading the message from the raven. I disliked the shortened final seasons as much as anyone, but I think a lot of fans were and remain incredibly unfair to those final two seasons.

As for my re-watch, I'm falling in love with the show (and Ned Stark) all over again. I had forgotten plenty of moments in these early seasons, since my wife and I quite literally watched one season a week for six weeks straight in 2016.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 05, 2021, 08:40:47 PM: Liked the trailer. Will definitely check it out
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2021, 07:57:17 AM: Definitely a fun-looking trailer.

I liked the book on which it is based. Looking forward to checking this out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on October 06, 2021, 08:06:10 AM: I'm cautiously optimistic for this show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: JediKnight1969 on October 07, 2021, 04:19:21 PM: Quote from: cramx3 on October 06, 2021, 08:06:10 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic for this show.

Me too. GoT was a massive disappointment.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 30, 2022, 01:27:18 PM: Well we got ourself a date:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2022, 02:33:30 PM: I would much rather have The Winds of Winter.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Chino on March 31, 2022, 09:32:49 AM: I'm finding it really hard to get jazzed about this.

I'm going to watch it though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: cramx3 on March 31, 2022, 10:15:40 AM: Quote from: Chino on March 31, 2022, 09:32:49 AM
I'm finding it really hard to get jazzed about this.

I'm going to watch it though.

Same. Definitely going to check it out, but my expectations aren't too high. HBO does usually make quality shows, but even years later it's been hard to shake off the feeling of the last GOT season.

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2022, 02:33:30 PM
I would much rather have The Winds of Winter.

Same, but I gave up on expecting that and at this point, my memories of the storylines/characters in the books is so faded, I'm not even sure I would read it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 29, 2022, 09:33:27 AM: I'm kinda in the middle because even if i'm cautious I would really love for this to be proven wrong and be a hit, that's how much I loved the early seasons of GOT. Best television ever imo.
Now of course the reality of living up to hype is almost impossible but since it's a fresh start they might have a chance.
I had no idea about GOT before watching it, I wish I could reprogram my brain to have no preconceived expectations for this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 06, 2022, 03:32:47 PM: House of the Dragon - Official Teaser Trailer (https://youtu.be/cynl5i3DPa8)

Interesting, hopefully the actually theme music will be more than this. Nice hint of the GOT theme at 1:10.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 10, 2022, 02:39:47 PM: It is staggering how little I care for the ip since season 8 to be honest.

Does this being based on an existing one off book mean this is a planned out story and not something they (seemingly) make up as they go? That might give me a bit more faith.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2022, 06:43:52 AM: Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Does this being based on an existing one off book mean this is a planned out story and not something they (seemingly) make up as they go? That might give me a bit more faith.
Well, hold on. It's based on the first book of a proposed 2 book set. And we know Martin's track record on finishing things.

So I'd say the chances of the showrunners eventually having to make shit up is pretty high. But probably not for this first season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 11, 2022, 08:41:52 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2022, 06:43:52 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Does this being based on an existing one off book mean this is a planned out story and not something they (seemingly) make up as they go? That might give me a bit more faith.
Well, hold on. It's based on the first book of a proposed 2 book set. And we know Martin's track record on finishing things.

So I'd say the chances of the showrunners eventually having to make shit up is pretty high. But probably not for this first season.

Yeah, but isn't the existing book more like a faux-history book than a novel? (I own it, but only read a bit of it before losing interest.) I think that would give the show runners a lot more flexibility in where they go with the story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 11, 2022, 11:26:39 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2022, 06:43:52 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Does this being based on an existing one off book mean this is a planned out story and not something they (seemingly) make up as they go? That might give me a bit more faith.
Well, hold on. It's based on the first book of a proposed 2 book set. And we know Martin's track record on finishing things.

So I'd say the chances of the showrunners eventually having to make shit up is pretty high. But probably not for this first season.
Indeed, although thankfully it's different showrunners.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on May 12, 2022, 01:44:59 AM: Quote from: JediKnight1969 on October 07, 2021, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on October 06, 2021, 08:06:10 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic for this show.

Me too. GoT was a massive disappointment.

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Picture is always funny, but noway was Season 5 better than 6...

I'd rank em...
Seasons 3 & 4.
Seasons 1 & 6.
Seasons 2 & 7.
Season 5.
Season 8 (even the first 3 episodes were fine....it was only the last 3 episodes when things went wrong..).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on May 12, 2022, 06:51:21 AM: Yeah, my experience is similar to that drawing. I got sucked in hook line and sinker for seasons one through three, and as the Two Idiots^TM (I can't even say their names) influenced the story-telling more and more, I lost the magic more and more. In my view, it went from almost a psychological thriller set in medieval times to a Marvel movie. Even though the transition started much earlier, the metaphorical jumping of the shark for me was the battle in Season 7 where Bronn - remember, he's a sellsword who just wants his gold, his woman, and his castle, and he sold out everyone, including his best friend to that point, Tyrion, to get it - leaped to the side like he had springs in his boots and his horse had rockets to save Jaime from the dragonfire. You can always tell when a "creative" team is tapped for ideas when they grasp for the tired, trite, done-to-death-by-better-people "redemption" trope. I watched the rest, out of obligation, but that to me was the point that it was only about the actors and their (almost universally) wonderful protrayal of the characters that George R.R. Martin lovingly created and the Two Idiots^TM treated like gum on their shoe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on May 12, 2022, 10:18:09 AM: Martin is as much to blame. If he'd pulled his finger out and actually wrote more material instead of continuously claiming it's coming soon only for it even now not shown up, things would have been different.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 12, 2022, 10:56:48 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on May 12, 2022, 10:18:09 AM
Martin is as much to blame. If he'd pulled his finger out and actually wrote more material instead of continuously claiming it's coming soon only for it even now not shown up, things would have been different.

If you sign on to run a show knowing that the series is not complete you need to have a plan for that. When they started A Dance with Dragons wasn't even out yet, and A Feast for Crows had taken 5 years to complete. ADwD ended up taking 6 years, and came out the same year the show premiered. At that point they should have been making plans in case they got ahead of the books, since it was becoming a strong likelihood.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ariich on May 12, 2022, 03:42:38 PM: Quote from: Stadler on May 12, 2022, 06:51:21 AM
In my view, it went from almost a psychological thriller set in medieval times to a Marvel movie.
This is deeply insulting to Marvel movies.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Spiritus on May 12, 2022, 04:49:09 PM: lol that horse pic. so true :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 13, 2022, 01:39:30 AM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on May 12, 2022, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: soupytwist on May 12, 2022, 10:18:09 AM
Martin is as much to blame. If he'd pulled his finger out and actually wrote more material instead of continuously claiming it's coming soon only for it even now not shown up, things would have been different.

If you sign on to run a show knowing that the series is not complete you need to have a plan for that. When they started A Dance with Dragons wasn't even out yet, and A Feast for Crows had taken 5 years to complete. ADwD ended up taking 6 years, and came out the same year the show premiered. At that point they should have been making plans in case they got ahead of the books, since it was becoming a strong likelihood.

They did. They got told by GRRM how the main plot points would end. And they conjured up an ending to match somehow, someway those plot points without caring, or wanting, to lay the groundwork for the storylines to organically get there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on May 13, 2022, 03:00:14 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2022, 01:39:30 AM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on May 12, 2022, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: soupytwist on May 12, 2022, 10:18:09 AM
Martin is as much to blame. If he'd pulled his finger out and actually wrote more material instead of continuously claiming it's coming soon only for it even now not shown up, things would have been different.

If you sign on to run a show knowing that the series is not complete you need to have a plan for that. When they started A Dance with Dragons wasn't even out yet, and A Feast for Crows had taken 5 years to complete. ADwD ended up taking 6 years, and came out the same year the show premiered. At that point they should have been making plans in case they got ahead of the books, since it was becoming a strong likelihood.

They did. They got told by GRRM how the main plot points would end.

We'll see if/when the books come out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 13, 2022, 04:20:07 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2022, 06:43:52 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 10, 2022, 02:39:47 PM
Does this being based on an existing one off book mean this is a planned out story and not something they (seemingly) make up as they go? That might give me a bit more faith.
Well, hold on. It's based on the first book of a proposed 2 book set. And we know Martin's track record on finishing things.

So I'd say the chances of the showrunners eventually having to make shit up is pretty high. But probably not for this first season.

Oh well :lol

I have little faith in how good the writing/plot direction will be, somehow fantasy shows and films are more often really bad than solid, let alone good. And I say that as someone who really enjoys the Hobbit trilogy a lot of people tend to hate, that to me is so much better than most other fantasy adaptions out there.

I am not sure why though, there are a lot of great mythological/religious films that have a lot in common in terms of concepts. The Northman being a recent example.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: lordxizor on May 16, 2022, 09:45:40 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on May 13, 2022, 03:00:14 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 13, 2022, 01:39:30 AM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on May 12, 2022, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: soupytwist on May 12, 2022, 10:18:09 AM
Martin is as much to blame. If he'd pulled his finger out and actually wrote more material instead of continuously claiming it's coming soon only for it even now not shown up, things would have been different.

If you sign on to run a show knowing that the series is not complete you need to have a plan for that. When they started A Dance with Dragons wasn't even out yet, and A Feast for Crows had taken 5 years to complete. ADwD ended up taking 6 years, and came out the same year the show premiered. At that point they should have been making plans in case they got ahead of the books, since it was becoming a strong likelihood.

They did. They got told by GRRM how the main plot points would end.

We'll see if/when the books come out.
I wouldn't be shocked if he changes everything in the books to end completely differently just as an FU. But I also don't think the books will ever be finished. At least not by GRRM.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on May 16, 2022, 03:14:02 PM: I genuinely believe he won't finish the series. Hopefully he has a lot of manuscripts lying around and there is a good writer that can make it a worthy ending.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2022, 01:35:16 AM: Quote from: ErHaO on May 16, 2022, 03:14:02 PM
I genuinely believe he won't finish the series. Hopefully he has a lot of manuscripts lying around and there is a good writer that can make it a worthy ending.

I think The Winds of Winter in 2-3 years might come out. No way he will finish the last book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on May 17, 2022, 04:53:08 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 17, 2022, 01:35:16 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 16, 2022, 03:14:02 PM
I genuinely believe he won't finish the series. Hopefully he has a lot of manuscripts lying around and there is a good writer that can make it a worthy ending.

I think The Winds of Winter in 2-3 years might come out. No way he will finish the last book.

This is why I think it's harsh just to label Benioff and Weiss 'two idiots'. Martin the author of these characters and the guy you'd hope geniunely knows where the story is going has had so far 11 years to finish it up and that's just pure writing. Benioff and Weiss had like one or two years - not only to write (something that wasn't even their property) they also had to film it, which for a show like Thrones consists of multiple locations, managing a huge budget and a huge cast.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2022, 05:29:29 AM: Martin knows where the story is going. He needs to write 4000 pages to organically and coherently get there.

That's why he told the main plot points of the major characters to D&D, and they stubbornly stuck to those guidelines rather than letting the story flow from where they already took it.

If you know that Dany's gonna napalm King's Landing, lay the groundwork for it, rather than just having a montage in the opening of the penultimate episode to recall the various instances Dany went dragon-happy on people...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on May 17, 2022, 07:21:16 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on May 17, 2022, 05:29:29 AM
Martin knows where the story is going. He needs to write 4000 pages to organically and coherently get there.

That's why he told the main plot points of the major characters to D&D, and they stubbornly stuck to those guidelines rather than letting the story flow from where they already took it.

If you know that Dany's gonna napalm King's Landing, lay the groundwork for it, rather than just having a montage in the opening of the penultimate episode to recall the various instances Dany went dragon-happy on people...

Having re-watched the entire series straight through last fall, the one thing I noted was that Dany NEVER followed the advice from any of her advisors - Jorah, Barristan Selmy, Tyrion. Every time they told her to be merciful, she went the other way and killed people. Every single time.

That groundwork was there, but it was small breadcrumbs spread out through the seasons with long gaps in between airings, as opposed to big neon signs to make it obvious. So it's easy to still root for her, but at the same time, she's making the same exact choices that Joffrey did.

I really feel that GRRM has just given up on the books. The show told the ending of the story, even if it might be a little different than how he would arrive there. I honestly think he's built up these theories and prophecies only to have the exact same ending in the books - Jon Snow will be built up to be this chosen one and he's going to just go "no, I don't want it." It proves that just because others (characters and fans) believe you to be the savior, you're allowed to control your own destiny and say no.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on May 17, 2022, 07:33:38 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on May 17, 2022, 04:53:08 AM
Quote from: MirrorMask on May 17, 2022, 01:35:16 AM
Quote from: ErHaO on May 16, 2022, 03:14:02 PM
I genuinely believe he won't finish the series. Hopefully he has a lot of manuscripts lying around and there is a good writer that can make it a worthy ending.

I think The Winds of Winter in 2-3 years might come out. No way he will finish the last book.

This is why I think it's harsh just to label Benioff and Weiss 'two idiots'. Martin the author of these characters and the guy you'd hope geniunely knows where the story is going has had so far 11 years to finish it up and that's just pure writing. Benioff and Weiss had like one or two years - not only to write (something that wasn't even their property) they also had to film it, which for a show like Thrones consists of multiple locations, managing a huge budget and a huge cast.

I get that, but that's their JOB. If they can't handle it, don't do it. I don't call them idiots for the work load, I call them idiots for opting for the easy way out in a lot of cases. I've already cited one example, a discrete one in one episode, but there were others, including more drawn out examples. I didn't like how they handled Dany. GRRM's themes are subtler, deeper, and sometimes not crystal clear (they may not even exist, haha). The idiots opted for what I thought were Hollywood tropes, rather than organic extensions of the threads that were laid down. My opinion only, and I understand if people disagree.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on May 17, 2022, 07:48:16 AM: Yeah, Dany went full Targaryen more than once, but we always rooted for her. She was always framed as the protagonist, and the music also underlined her big moments. I can't remember a moment where Dany went Dracarys and the score was underlying what a worrying situation it was. And, after all, she took down people we could see as "bad guys" - slavers, tyrants, rich corrupted people... there's a big difference in spending the series burning down slavers and rapists and violent rivals, and methodically carpet-bombing with fire an entire town that has already surrended. The worst she's done was burning down the Tarlys, I agree that it was a worying moment, but the slip to the "dark side" was too sudden for me, and especially without cause. If only the battle was still raging, if only Cersei was winning, if only some of her friends died... no, she went, won the battle alone in 10 minutes, and then with the city surrendering and no one posing a threat anymore, she razed it to the ground.

I would have welcomed a "the end justifies the means" kind of situation, but she burnt down King's Landing just because, and from her looks we were supposed to decipher that she realized all her family had lost and got pissed because of it (this comes from the authors as her actual motivation).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: soupytwist on May 17, 2022, 07:55:44 AM: Quote from: Stadler on May 17, 2022, 07:33:38 AM

I get that, but that's their JOB. If they can't handle it, don't do it.

Nah I disagree. Their job was to adapt - which I think most agree they were doing a good job. Yeah they could have waited for Martin to finish the story before starting - but, well that would have been a long wait, or never happen........Martin said after 'A Dance with Dragons' was published....'the last two books will go a quicker than this one has' and predicted 'three years to finish the next one'. It's 11 years later.....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 17, 2022, 08:00:25 AM: Quote from: soupytwist on May 17, 2022, 07:55:44 AM
Quote from: Stadler on May 17, 2022, 07:33:38 AM

I get that, but that's their JOB. If they can't handle it, don't do it.

Nah I disagree. Their job was to adapt - which I think most agree they were doing a good job. Yeah they could have waited for Martin to finish the story before starting - but, well that would have been a long wait, or never happen........Martin said after 'A Dance with Dragons' was published....'the last two books will go a quicker than this one has' and predicted 'three years to finish the next one'. It's 11 years later.....
I agree with this. They didn't do a great job with the last 2 seasons, but they were forced into doing a completely different job than the one they signed up for.
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2022, 08:16:45 AM: They signed up without a finished story, they knew what risks they were taking when doing that and by doing so they hold responsibility in my eyes.
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Post by: Chino on May 17, 2022, 08:20:31 AM: And at the end of season 6, HBO gave them 40 more episodes (4, 10 episode seasons), and they said "nah, we can do it in 13. We have Star Wars stuff to make". Then they got dropped from the Star Wars project. They rushed it because their hearts weren't in it anymore.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 17, 2022, 08:57:31 AM: Quote from: Chino on May 17, 2022, 08:20:31 AM
And at the end of season 6, HBO gave them 40 more episodes (4, 10 episode seasons), and they said "nah, we and do it in 13. We have Star Wars stuff to make". Then they got dropped from the Star Wars project. They rushed it because their hearts weren't in it anymore.
Instead of half-assing it then, they should’ve given it to someone who’s heart was in it!
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Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2022, 09:24:15 AM: Quote from: fadetoblackdude7 on May 17, 2022, 08:57:31 AM
Quote from: Chino on May 17, 2022, 08:20:31 AM
And at the end of season 6, HBO gave them 40 more episodes (4, 10 episode seasons), and they said "nah, we and do it in 13. We have Star Wars stuff to make". Then they got dropped from the Star Wars project. They rushed it because their hearts weren't in it anymore.
Instead of half-assing it then, they should’ve given it to someone who’s heart was in it!

Easier said than done to turn it over at the end. I don't think that's a realistic option for a better end result. I think a lot of the actors/actresses were also ready to move on from the show. The show just got so big and everyone was wanted for something else. I wonder if they all look back now and think maybe it would have been better for their careers if they didn't rush the ending.
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Post by: ErHaO on May 17, 2022, 09:37:30 AM: They should at least have went with a longer season.

And yes, they originally had something to adapt. But during those 8 years of making the series, surely they could've realised somewhere along the line that maybe it was a good idea to have a competent writer continue the story. The last book was from 2011 throughout the entire production. It really isn't like "oh oops, during this final season it turns out the last book isn't out yet".

I personally can appreciate season 5-7 quite a bit, despite it decidely being more "hollywood blockbuster" writing. Season 8 is just trash in almost all regards but the amazing actors and cgi.

And Game of Thrones is one of those shows were they really could've gotten away with killing off main characters in case an actor wanted out, which is quite a common thing in long running series anyways.
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Post by: Chino on May 17, 2022, 10:00:29 AM: Have you guys ever seen their reactions at the table readings of the scripts?
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 18, 2022, 03:52:24 AM: https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-series-kit-harington-hbo-1235297033/

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A “Game of Thrones” spinoff series based around Jon Snow is in early development at HBO, Variety has confirmed.

Kit Harington is attached to reprise his role as the fan-favorite hero in the live-action show, which would take place after the events of “Game of Thrones” — potentially opening up what many thought was an iron-clad ending to the wildly popular series.

In the final season of “Game of Thrones,” Snow realized his true identity and that he could be an heir to the Iron Throne. The series concluded with his exile from Westeros as he rides into the Haunted Forest with Ghost and the Wildlings to begin a new life.
Kinda feels like a attempt to redeem Jon and his story in GOT and i'm all for it but yea, we'll see.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2022, 08:17:37 AM: Yeah, also file that under wait and see. This kind of feels like a cash grab type of show, but I think there's some potential for a good story.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 18, 2022, 09:23:00 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 18, 2022, 08:17:37 AM
Yeah, also file that under wait and see. This kind of feels like a cash grab type of show, but I think there's some potential for a good story.

Same thought. Potential? Sure there is…..but we’ve seen this show without GRRM’s writing behind it to support it with this character and it was average at best.
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Post by: lonestar on June 18, 2022, 10:29:09 AM: Saw that... I'd rather follow Arya going east, but that's just me.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 18, 2022, 01:14:02 PM: Quote from: lonestar on June 18, 2022, 10:29:09 AM
Saw that... I'd rather follow Arya going east, but that's just me.

Agreed. Would much rather see that.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2022, 08:24:06 AM: Quote from: lonestar on June 18, 2022, 10:29:09 AM
Saw that... I'd rather follow Arya going east, but that's just me.
In fact, it is NOT just you.
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Post by: Chino on June 21, 2022, 02:12:09 PM: I'd rather a reality docuseries about Hot Pie opening his own bakery.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 21, 2022, 03:23:43 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2022, 02:12:09 PM
I'd rather a reality docuseries about Hot Pie opening his own bakery.

:lol
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Post by: KevShmev on June 21, 2022, 07:13:18 PM: Quote from: Chino on June 21, 2022, 02:12:09 PM
I'd rather a reality docuseries about Hot Pie opening his own bakery.

And it should be called "It's Really Good!"
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Post by: ErHaO on June 22, 2022, 08:16:53 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 18, 2022, 03:52:24 AM
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-series-kit-harington-hbo-1235297033/

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A “Game of Thrones” spinoff series based around Jon Snow is in early development at HBO, Variety has confirmed.

Kit Harington is attached to reprise his role as the fan-favorite hero in the live-action show, which would take place after the events of “Game of Thrones” — potentially opening up what many thought was an iron-clad ending to the wildly popular series.

In the final season of “Game of Thrones,” Snow realized his true identity and that he could be an heir to the Iron Throne. The series concluded with his exile from Westeros as he rides into the Haunted Forest with Ghost and the Wildlings to begin a new life.
Kinda feels like a attempt to redeem Jon and his story in GOT and i'm all for it but yea, we'll see.

Jon became very one note during the last season(s). He had his arc and I have little interest in a sequel to that to be honest. And the series made it seems there was little behind the wall anymore but the night king, his army and a bunch of wildlings.

Arya travelling to unknown lands could be way more interesting. Because there the writers can make up fresh stuff without it seeming at odds with the main series. The less it has to do with the main series, the better.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2022, 10:04:46 AM: Quote from: ErHaO on June 22, 2022, 08:16:53 AM
Jon became very one note during the last season(s). He had his arc and I have little interest in a sequel to that to be honest. And the series made it seems there was little behind the wall anymore but the night king, his army and a bunch of wildlings.

Not only that but.....the story spent the entire time building up to Jon vs The Night King....even to the point of him returning from being dead.....and then in some effort to be clever or whatever....they decide to have Arya be the one who kills TNK? There would have been nothing wrong with Jon vs TNK in the end and having him defeat him....that's kind of how the whole thing was set up and 'should' have went down.

Quote from: ErHaO on June 22, 2022, 08:16:53 AM
Arya travelling to unknown lands could be way more interesting. Because there the writers can make up fresh stuff without it seeming at odds with the main series. The less it has to do with the main series, the better.

Agreed. Way more story flexibility with an Arya series.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 22, 2022, 01:44:18 PM: It seems like the whole thing is in very early stages so lots of speculation on returning characters so I guess there could be a chance Arya will return.

To be honest though for me I would love to have a proper meaningful ending for Jon. Yea they screwed his arc up in GOT but still, I can 100% say he was my favourite character in GOT and he deserves to be treated better. Atleast for me he's more interesting than Arya.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 22, 2022, 01:55:14 PM: Id rather follow Jon than Arya personally. But those two were close, it's possible they would meet up again. But if I'm being honest, I think if I had to choose a follow up story from GOT it may be to see how Bran rules Westeros.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2022, 02:30:10 PM: I'd like to see what ever became of Drogon....how large and powerful he became??
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Post by: faizoff on June 23, 2022, 05:41:29 PM: GRR Martin wrote a blog post about the shows in development and all things GOT TV related. It's an interesting long blog post if anyone wishes to read (https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2022/06/23/snow-and-other-stuff/).

He essentially summarizes that there are a total of four shows being worked on. Three of them already got leaked a while back, but for some reason the Jon Snow one never got mentioned even though all of them have been developed around the same time.

Some quotes..

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There’s not much more I can tell you, not until HBO gives me a green light.

It seems as though Emilia Clarke has already mentioned that SNOW was Kit’s idea in a recent interview. So that part is out. Yes, it was Kit Harrington who brought the idea to us. I cannot tell you the names of the writers/ showrunners, since that has not been cleared for release yet… but Kit brought them in too, his own team, and they are terrific.

All four of these successor shows are still in the script stage. Outlines and treatments have been written and approved, scripts have been written, notes have been given, second and third drafts have been written. So far, that’s all. This is the way television works. Please note: nothing has been green lit yet, and there is no guarantee when or if it will be… on any of these shows. The likelihood of all four series getting on the air… well, I’d love it, but that’s not the way it works, usually.

And this gem to end with lol

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Yes, WINDS OF WINTER. No, have not forgotten. I was back with Tyrion this past week.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2022, 09:42:42 AM: Is it wrong to just get pissed every time GRRM mentions he's working on TWOW?
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2022, 09:51:17 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2022, 09:42:42 AM
Is it wrong to just get pissed every time GRRM mentions he's working on TWOW?

At this point, no.

He has a right to work at his own pace following his own muse, without fans pestering him about it, especially the most arrogant ones who seem just concerned with the possibility he might pass away.

But at a certain point, he owes it not to the fans, but to himself - just finish what you started, come on. It's been embarassingly long by now, we're well past beyond the "oh come on he needs time, give him a break".
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Post by: ZirconBlue on June 28, 2022, 10:09:52 AM: Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2022, 09:42:42 AM
Is it wrong to just get pissed every time GRRM mentions he's working on TWOW?

If he didn't mention it, he'd be criticized for working on / commenting on other stuff when he should be working on TWOW.
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Post by: Grappler on June 28, 2022, 10:16:17 AM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 28, 2022, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2022, 09:42:42 AM
Is it wrong to just get pissed every time GRRM mentions he's working on TWOW?

If he didn't mention it, he'd be criticized for working on / commenting on other stuff when he should be working on TWOW.

But that is actually the truth of the matter, and I think he's explained that a little in his blogs - that he has been focusing on writing television pilots, etc.

I truly think that he just gave up on the Game of Thrones books when the show passed his writing up. He gave them the major details and then went on to where his heart seems to be, which is writing for television.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on June 28, 2022, 11:18:26 AM: Quote from: Grappler on June 28, 2022, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 28, 2022, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2022, 09:42:42 AM
Is it wrong to just get pissed every time GRRM mentions he's working on TWOW?

If he didn't mention it, he'd be criticized for working on / commenting on other stuff when he should be working on TWOW.

But that is actually the truth of the matter, and I think he's explained that a little in his blogs - that he has been focusing on writing television pilots, etc.

I truly think that he just gave up on the Game of Thrones books when the show passed his writing up. He gave them the major details and then went on to where his heart seems to be, which is writing for television.

Except that he hasn't actually written that much for television. He didn't even write the one-episode-per-season that we was doing for GOT since like Season 3.
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Post by: Grappler on June 28, 2022, 02:41:54 PM: He's done work for Dark Winds on AMC.

Checking Wikipedia, it seems like he does more editing and TV producing work than writing, but you get my gist...he seems to spend more time doing other work than writing the main GOT books. Hence why I feel like his heart just isn't into it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2022, 08:11:04 AM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 28, 2022, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on June 28, 2022, 09:42:42 AM
Is it wrong to just get pissed every time GRRM mentions he's working on TWOW?

If he didn't mention it, he'd be criticized for working on / commenting on other stuff when he should be working on TWOW.
This is what I'm pissed about. He complains about how hard it is for him to write, but he has built up an audience, and writing would go faster if he would stop everything else until he finishes at least the next book.

Keep in mind that since the last book in the series, he has had several other books published as well, including the novel Fire & Blood, which is purportedly the first in a 2-volume set. FFS
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Post by: Grappler on June 29, 2022, 08:36:04 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2022, 08:11:04 AM
Keep in mind that since the last book in the series, he has had several other books published as well, including the novel Fire & Blood, which is purportedly the first in a 2-volume set. FFS

The second book is coming out soon (The Rise of the Dragon). Just another book he wrote while avoiding writing the Winds of Winter.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2022, 10:15:47 AM: Quote from: Grappler on June 29, 2022, 08:36:04 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2022, 08:11:04 AM
Keep in mind that since the last book in the series, he has had several other books published as well, including the novel Fire & Blood, which is purportedly the first in a 2-volume set. FFS

The second book is coming out soon (The Rise of the Dragon). Just another book he wrote while avoiding writing the Winds of Winter.
Wonderful. Not sure if I will give him my money for that one or not.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on August 29, 2022, 07:54:51 PM: Just started watching the show with my wife.

Today we watched season 1: ep 1-3

When the show first aired we watched until the end of season 1 and 2 episodes of season 2.

We are planning to watch this one on weekdays and House of the Dragons on Sunday.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on September 02, 2022, 09:50:00 AM: Started season 2 ep 01, very good stuff.
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Post by: Chino on September 02, 2022, 11:07:38 AM: Favorite character(s) so far?
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Post by: MinistroRaven on September 03, 2022, 11:02:11 AM: Quote from: Chino on September 02, 2022, 11:07:38 AM
Favorite character(s) so far?

Jamie - the guy is a fucking bastard and I hate him already.
Varys - Can't believe how manipulative the guy is.
Tyrion - Wow, the smallest of all but very smart.
Robb - he seems to be wise, though, I would have killed JAMIE in a heartbeat
Sansa - I love the actress more than the character to be honest.

I hate how easy Khal Drogo died, he was so powerful, yet he died from the simplest wounds we have seen in the serie.
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Post by: lonestar on December 18, 2022, 12:28:14 PM: Been doing a re-watch...at S4 right now. I forgot how amazing the chemistry between the Hound and Arya was...easily the highlight of the show.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 18, 2022, 04:27:04 PM: Quote from: lonestar on December 18, 2022, 12:28:14 PM
Been doing a re-watch...at S4 right now. I forgot how amazing the chemistry between the Hound and Arya was...easily the highlight of the show.

The first through third or fourth seasons were some of the best television ever made. So well done……and yes…..those two were awesome together
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Post by: Stadler on December 20, 2022, 07:20:58 AM: Quote from: lonestar on December 18, 2022, 12:28:14 PM
Been doing a re-watch...at S4 right now. I forgot how amazing the chemistry between the Hound and Arya was...easily the highlight of the show.

Agreed; maybe not the HIGHLIGHT for me (Jaime's arc was pretty strong) but certainly up there.
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Post by: lonestar on December 27, 2022, 09:38:24 PM: I can definitely do without reliving Sam scraping off Jorah's greyscale ever again.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 12:35:28 PM: Haven't done a full blown rewatch of the series yet.....but have been jamming through a bunch of earlier episodes and parts of episodes.......and, while I wasn't one that was utterly disappointed in how the final season went......(I think with both actors and those who produced the show wanting to be done with it the story was going to suffer anyway) I will say and maintain that them deciding to have Arya be the one to kill the Night King was a horrible....horrible choice. Horrible storytelling and it flew in the face of everything that had been set in motion and had been set in place with the story that was being told.

I don't need to be reminded that she was a trained assassin. That means nothing when you look back at the story that was being told.....it was always supposed to be Jon who killed him and SHOULD have been. Having it be Arya wasn't a 'cool' surprise or shocking twist.....it was a travesty that nearly ruined the entire series.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2023, 12:41:12 PM: Also, the actual way it happened... her jumping out of nowhere with nothing to leap from... and finding out only later that it was supposed to be a pile of corpses that wasn't even shown on video anyway.... GAAAAH!

The way I like to tell it, they promised us World War II for eight years, and then Hitler got shanked by a little girl the moment he invaded Poland.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 12:49:03 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 22, 2023, 12:41:12 PM
Also, the actual way it happened... her jumping out of nowhere with nothing to leap from... and finding out only later that it was supposed to be a pile of corpses that wasn't even shown on video anyway.... GAAAAH!

The way I like to tell it, they promised us World War II for eight years, and then Hitler got shanked by a little girl the moment he invaded Poland.

Yeah.....it was silly......plain and simple. A pretty good example of what happens when people who don't really know how to write a story can screw up a good thing after they are given the keys to the kingdom so to speak.

I do think a big issue was the fact that essentially everyone involved in that show was pretty much over it....was done. Where Dany ended up as a character made a lot of sense.....but would have been so much more believable and easy to tolerate had it happened over another season or so. It was too much character development too quick....with no real substance. We all 'know' that's where she was headed but the examples and reasons that we saw weren't enough for me to believe she had arrived there yet. It was a Fast Forward version of her character (and the show)
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Post by: lonestar on June 22, 2023, 12:49:50 PM: And I still fully disagree with that, while S8 was shit and rushed, it was absolutely fitting that Arya killed the Night King.

We can argue this till days end, and will remain on opposite sides.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 12:54:02 PM: Quote from: lonestar on June 22, 2023, 12:49:50 PM
And I still fully disagree with that, while S8 was shit and rushed, it was absolutely fitting that Arya killed the Night King.

We can argue this till days end, and will remain on opposite sides.

I think back in the day we did try to argue it till days end :lol
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Post by: lonestar on June 22, 2023, 12:59:26 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: lonestar on June 22, 2023, 12:49:50 PM
And I still fully disagree with that, while S8 was shit and rushed, it was absolutely fitting that Arya killed the Night King.

We can argue this till days end, and will remain on opposite sides.

I think back in the day we did try to argue it till days end :lol

Yup, the horse is already dead and rotting in the ground. :lol
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Post by: Grappler on June 22, 2023, 12:59:50 PM: Quote from: lonestar on June 22, 2023, 12:49:50 PM
And I still fully disagree with that, while S8 was shit and rushed, it was absolutely fitting that Arya killed the Night King.

I agree with this - the character spent a lot of time (seasons) training and building up her story as a skilled assassin.
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Post by: lonestar on June 22, 2023, 01:06:41 PM: Quote from: Grappler on June 22, 2023, 12:59:50 PM
Quote from: lonestar on June 22, 2023, 12:49:50 PM
And I still fully disagree with that, while S8 was shit and rushed, it was absolutely fitting that Arya killed the Night King.

I agree with this - the character spent a lot of time (seasons) training and building up her story as a skilled assassin.

I'd say even more a killing machine...assassin is part of that, but she was trained on every aspect of unaliving people.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM: Quote from: Grappler on June 22, 2023, 12:59:50 PM
Quote from: lonestar on June 22, 2023, 12:49:50 PM
And I still fully disagree with that, while S8 was shit and rushed, it was absolutely fitting that Arya killed the Night King.

I agree with this - the character spent a lot of time (seasons) training and building up her story as a skilled assassin.

The single specific fact that Arya is a skilled assassin and could have killed the Night King is the least of the problems here. It's the actual execution and the complete disregard of the ovearching storyline of Jon (and the elemental menace of the White Walker themselves) that got people scratching head. Tyrion couldn't have realistically kill the Night King. Arya could. So what? a bunch of characters in the show were good warriors. Tormund could have killed him as well. Maybe even Brienne.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 22, 2023, 01:38:43 PM: To me, the biggest tragedy of the way the final season played out is still that neither Arya nor Sansa ever came face to face with Cersei again. I have always been in the "the last season wasn't that great, but it wasn't as awful as many said it was" camp, but that bugged me.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 01:56:23 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on June 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
The single specific fact that Arya is a skilled assassin and could have killed the Night King is the least of the problems here. It's the actual execution and the complete disregard of the ovearching storyline of Jon (and the elemental menace of the White Walker themselves) that got people scratching head. Tyrion couldn't have realistically kill the Night King. Arya could. So what? a bunch of characters in the show were good warriors. Tormund could have killed him as well. Maybe even Brienne.

Bingo....bango....bongo.....nailed it. The entire story was 'set up' for Jon to have killed him. It wouldn't have been 'the easy way' or 'cheesy' if he would have been the one to do it....it'd have fulfilled everything we were shown and learned along the way about him and his lineage and justified his resurrection AND been the payoff of the entire effort that had been put in to his and the 'White Walker' parallel storyline. Just because Arya was a trained assassin doesn't mean that forgives what a horrible choice it was to just suddenly shoehorn her into a part of the story that she had no business being in.
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Post by: Grappler on June 22, 2023, 02:34:27 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 01:56:23 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on June 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
The single specific fact that Arya is a skilled assassin and could have killed the Night King is the least of the problems here. It's the actual execution and the complete disregard of the ovearching storyline of Jon (and the elemental menace of the White Walker themselves) that got people scratching head. Tyrion couldn't have realistically kill the Night King. Arya could. So what? a bunch of characters in the show were good warriors. Tormund could have killed him as well. Maybe even Brienne.

Bingo....bango....bongo.....nailed it. The entire story was 'set up' for Jon to have killed him. It wouldn't have been 'the easy way' or 'cheesy' if he would have been the one to do it....it'd have fulfilled everything we were shown and learned along the way about him and his lineage and justified his resurrection AND been the payoff of the entire effort that had been put in to his and the 'White Walker' parallel storyline. Just because Arya was a trained assassin doesn't mean that forgives what a horrible choice it was to just suddenly shoehorn her into a part of the story that she had no business being in.

I look at things differently. To me, Jon was the "uniter." He brought everyone together, through the respect that he had earned from each of the characters. That was HIS job. And yes, the set-up was Jon vs. the Night King. But I've never been offended by the Arya switcheroo, because of who she became. She took that burden off of his shoulders, partially because his character wasn't going to get there in time and because it was a payoff for her character.

I did re-watch the show about a year or two ago and fell in love with those early seasons all over again. And I did pick up on some stuff with Dany that set up the end of the series.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 22, 2023, 02:51:19 PM: Jon was a bad fighter. He didn't deserve the Night Kill kill.

Remember the Battle of the Bastards? Jon dies right then and there if Ramsey had aimed his arrow at him instead of Wun Wun, and Jon would have died while standing there stupidly having taken his eyes off the enemy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 02:55:14 PM: Quote from: Grappler on June 22, 2023, 02:34:27 PM
I look at things differently. To me, Jon was the "uniter." He brought everyone together, through the respect that he had earned from each of the characters. That was HIS job. And yes, the set-up was Jon vs. the Night King. But I've never been offended by the Arya switcheroo, because of who she became. She took that burden off of his shoulders, partially because his character wasn't going to get there in time and because it was a payoff for her character.

Arya had her payoff with the revenge killing of all the Frey's. Her training allowed her to afflict that upon House Frey. No surviving men....bloodline over. If they were wanting her to have more then she should have been the one to kill Cersi face to face rather than that having a collapsing tower kill her. While it was 'poetic' having her world crash in on her and all....that too was lame and more or less a 'happy' ending for a despicable character by having Jamie miraculously make it back in time to be with her.

Anyway....as RJ said.....this can be debated until the sun stops working. I just personally thought it was lazy ass, 'simple' writing that destroyed everything the earlier seasons had built up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 02:57:27 PM: Quote from: KevShmev on June 22, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
Jon was a bad fighter.

He killed several Night King Lieutenants......thousands of Wights....hundreds of men.....he wasn't a bad fighter. He was a poor strategist but he could fight with the best of them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Adami on June 22, 2023, 03:02:35 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on June 22, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
Jon was a bad fighter.

He killed several Night King Lieutenants......thousands of Wights....hundreds of men.....he wasn't a bad fighter. He was a poor strategist but he could fight with the best of them.

Plus I have it on good authority that he knew nothing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on June 22, 2023, 03:02:51 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on June 22, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
Jon was a bad fighter.

He killed several Night King Lieutenants......thousands of Wights....hundreds of men.....he wasn't a bad fighter. He was a poor strategist but he could fight with the best of them.

Definitely agree with this, I think Jon was a great fighter, but he made an even better leader. Despite the criticism of the "beyond the wall" episode, I loved seeing a group of fighters like Jon, the Hound, Tormund, Jorah, etc. all get together and interact together for the first time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 22, 2023, 03:04:22 PM: Quote from: Adami on June 22, 2023, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2023, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on June 22, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
Jon was a bad fighter.

He killed several Night King Lieutenants......thousands of Wights....hundreds of men.....he wasn't a bad fighter. He was a poor strategist but he could fight with the best of them.

Plus I have it on hold authority that he knew nothing.

Not to mention that his brooding works a lot better when he doesn't get what he wants.

And my earlier post was partly in jest (although I was fine with Arya killed the NK).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2023, 03:53:57 PM: For the record, I don't think what GRRM meant for Jon was as straightforward as him killing the big bad. But I'm quite sure his resurrection, which is all but spoiled since he still haven't finished the book, will be strictly tied to the overarching theme of the white walkers and he's gonna be instrumental in resolving that conflict. He's not gonna be a sidekick to the whole ordeal, once the whole deal with the White Walkers will be over, it's gonna be clear why the Lord of Light wanted specifically Jon alive.

Not that we're gonna get the final book anyway, I still believe that eventually The Winds of Winter IS gonna be released, but A Dream of Spring? no way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 07:03:15 AM: Normally going with the OBVIOUS choice is seen as lazy writing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2023, 08:38:19 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
Normally going with the OBVIOUS choice is seen as lazy writing.

maybe.....on a more straight forward story sure. But there was 7 seasons of foundation set in place for Jon to confront and kill TNK.....at minimum be in the same room as TNK when he was killed. I look at it as there was a chance to stick the landing for the show but the ending didn't stick at all.....huge step back and almost fell over.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 09:12:32 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2023, 08:38:19 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
Normally going with the OBVIOUS choice is seen as lazy writing.

maybe.....on a more straight forward story sure. But there was 7 seasons of foundation set in place for Jon to confront and kill TNK
I get that that is the the expectation that you had. But that doesn't mean that it was ever the actual plan, or that that was what they were actually laying foundation for.

If their plan all along was to have Jon kill the Night King, and then changed it, I could see being upset about it. But I haven't seen anything to say that's the case.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2023, 09:41:44 AM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 09:12:32 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2023, 08:38:19 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
Normally going with the OBVIOUS choice is seen as lazy writing.

maybe.....on a more straight forward story sure. But there was 7 seasons of foundation set in place for Jon to confront and kill TNK
I get that that is the the expectation that you had. But that doesn't mean that it was ever the actual plan, or that that was what they were actually laying foundation for.

If their plan all along was to have Jon kill the Night King, and then changed it, I could see being upset about it. But I haven't seen anything to say that's the case.

I.....like everyone else......would love to know what the writer and creator of all of this actually thinks and intended. I wonder if GRRM saw the fallout of the shows final season and criticism of things like this and what not and changed his mind and altered his plan, or agreed with how it all played out?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on June 23, 2023, 09:58:01 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2023, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 09:12:32 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2023, 08:38:19 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
Normally going with the OBVIOUS choice is seen as lazy writing.

maybe.....on a more straight forward story sure. But there was 7 seasons of foundation set in place for Jon to confront and kill TNK
I get that that is the the expectation that you had. But that doesn't mean that it was ever the actual plan, or that that was what they were actually laying foundation for.

If their plan all along was to have Jon kill the Night King, and then changed it, I could see being upset about it. But I haven't seen anything to say that's the case.

I.....like everyone else......would love to know what the writer and creator of all of this actually thinks and intended. I wonder if GRRM saw the fallout of the shows final season and criticism of things like this and what not and changed his mind and altered his plan, or agreed with how it all played out?

Around the time that the show ended, GRRM wrote that it would be similar and different at the same time. I know that he gave the big points/endings to the characters to the show, and took that to mean that the characters would end up in a similar place, but would take a different path to get there.

So Dany still goes Mad Queen, Bran still becomes king, etc. But the books are different because of the different characters (Stannis is still alive in the books and could play a part in something).

The show deliberately started reducing the number of characters and combining storylines in the later seasons. I'm interested to see how the books are different, but I won't say that I think they'll be "better." There are whole plotlines in the books that I think are completely unnecessary and I think the show did a pretty good job condensing the books into something that made for great tv.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 10:19:07 AM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2023, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 09:12:32 AM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2023, 08:38:19 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2023, 07:03:15 AM
Normally going with the OBVIOUS choice is seen as lazy writing.

maybe.....on a more straight forward story sure. But there was 7 seasons of foundation set in place for Jon to confront and kill TNK
I get that that is the the expectation that you had. But that doesn't mean that it was ever the actual plan, or that that was what they were actually laying foundation for.

If their plan all along was to have Jon kill the Night King, and then changed it, I could see being upset about it. But I haven't seen anything to say that's the case.

I.....like everyone else......would love to know what the writer and creator of all of this actually thinks and intended. I wonder if GRRM saw the fallout of the shows final season and criticism of things like this and what not and changed his mind and altered his plan, or agreed with how it all played out?
I wouldn't be surprised in the least.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 19, 2023, 02:52:46 PM: (https://i.imgur.com/aRdASRR.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 20, 2023, 01:02:53 AM: It just makes me sad how such a great run of seasons ended in such a disappointment and kinda ruined the overall vibe of the show. Those first seasons will always be one of the best tv-moments ever, it's just sad it ended the way it did.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on October 21, 2023, 07:35:24 AM: Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 20, 2023, 01:02:53 AM
It just makes me sad how such a great run of seasons ended in such a disappointment and kinda ruined the overall vibe of the show. Those first seasons will always be one of the best tv-moments ever, it's just sad it ended the way it did.

I completely agree. I did a rewatch last year and the quality of the show lasted for so long. I also think those after episode interviews they did was a bad idea, "Daenerys simply forgot about the Greyjoy's army"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 21, 2023, 11:01:25 AM: The biggest testament to the writers' failure is how quickly Game of Thrones disappeared from pop culture.

It was a worldwide phenomenon. "Everyone" was watching it. There was excitement, friends and coworkers were watching it as well, then the finale came, it bombed, and everybody just..... forgot about it (like Dany with the Greyjoy ships).

Breaking Bad was nowhere near the mass phenomenon Game of Thrones was, and people are still talking about it 10 years after the finale. Harry Potter still has worldwide fans. Lord of the Rings, well, a Tolkien fan is a fan for life, people will always love the books even if the new show is kinda meh. But Game of Thrones? disappeared overnight, the only time people remember it existed, is when they talk about how the finale sucked.

OF COURSE these are not absoliutes. Of course there are people still into it, people still discussing it, doing some cosplays etc etc.... but look at the general perception in the pop culture - it just went away, melted like the army of the White Walkers after a teenager girl jumped out of literally nowhere to one-up the elemental villain of the entire show arc.

Also, RIP the mental sanity of all those girls named Khaleesi. Good luck growing up and finding out you were named after the honorary title of a character that commited genocide from a show whose ending was hated by 99% of the fans. And congratulations also to the parents who gave the name Khaleesi in the first place, which is basically like wanting to pay homage to Jorge Bergoglio, and calling your son Pope.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: nick_z on October 21, 2023, 02:08:43 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 21, 2023, 11:01:25 AM
And congratulations also to the parents who gave the name Khaleesi in the first place, which is basically like wanting to pay homage to Jorge Bergoglio, and calling your son Pope.

:lol So true!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 23, 2023, 12:36:05 PM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 21, 2023, 11:01:25 AM
The biggest testament to the writers' failure is how quickly Game of Thrones disappeared from pop culture.

This is brilliant. I love this assessment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on October 24, 2023, 10:28:25 AM: Quote from: Stadler on October 23, 2023, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: MirrorMask on October 21, 2023, 11:01:25 AM
The biggest testament to the writers' failure is how quickly Game of Thrones disappeared from pop culture.

This is brilliant. I love this assessment.
Someone should write a documentary about all the families that named their newborn girls Daenerys. How they feel about the show? How many of them changed the names of the baby before it even was able to realize that it was its name :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on October 24, 2023, 03:04:08 PM: I have no problem with where the characters ended up being and what they ended up doing. It is just that the excecution was shit and they almost all acted like there was some binary switch in their heads flipping between modes of personality/intelligence.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Lonk on October 24, 2023, 05:16:23 PM: I didn't watch GoT when it originally aired. I finally gave in and watched all seasons recently. I was prepared to hate season 8 but I guess because I had such low expectations, I didn't think it was as bad as I expected.

Was it a huge drop in quality? yes! But I don't think it was the Trainwreck it was made out to be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on October 24, 2023, 07:07:06 PM: Quote from: Vmadera00 on October 24, 2023, 05:16:23 PM
Was it a huge drop in quality? yes! But I don't think it was the Trainwreck it was made out to be.

That's exactly how I felt. I think a lot of the fan reaction was because it just didn't end the way that each fan wanted it to end. So many people had so many theories about characters and prophecies (or the lack of them in the show). I got the sense that despite various prophecies, GRRM will just have Jon Snow say "I don't want the throne," just like in the show. I'm almost certain he's afraid to finish the books because of such a negative reaction to the way the show ended, and his ending will be similar in some ways.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 01:57:32 AM: Quote from: Grappler on October 24, 2023, 07:07:06 PM
That's exactly how I felt. I think a lot of the fan reaction was because it just didn't end the way that each fan wanted it to end.

Go at the end for a TL;DR.

I can only speak for myself, but what I didn't like is the very noticeable change in the approach once the source material ran out. It went from a non predictable show, that tried to have some realistic turns of events, into a blockbuster with all the cliches of big action scenes, and illogical turns of the plot just to get to the "whoah" moment (yeah, I'm looking at you, Dany crossing a continent riding on a dragon to save Jon beyond the wall at the last possible second).

Game of Thrones was a show / story were the famous expectations were subverted, but not for the sake of it as the writers grossly misinterpeted - it was more a matter of the characters facing consequences without having a plot armor that shields the protagonists of most fantasy stories and shows.

The fact that Ned Stark was too honorable and naive for his own good had consequences.
Years of neglect and mistreating from Tywin to Tyrion had consequences.
Oberyn being obsessed with his need for revenge had consequences.

It's one of the taglines of the show: "when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die". People not winning died. In the Princess Bride, Indigo Montoya had a catchphrase for his need for revenge, and he got it brilliantly. Oberyn didn't because more often than not, if you're too obsessed with something you're gonna screw it up sooner or later.

Situations like these is what set Game of Thrones apart, and it was turned into a generic blockbuster with the complexity of the plot thrown away for big cinematic scenes.

Also, I'm still not over how the White Walkers menace was handled. It was said from Lord Commander Mormont to Jon Snow already in season one: "When the White Walkers arrive, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?". That was basically the entire premise of the show - rich and egoistical lords battle for the throne when the real menace is an elemental one that comes from beyond the Wall.

There should have been the moment when the entirety of Westeros realized that the real enemy were the White Walkers. The way I like to say it, I probably posted it already here - you can't promise World War II for eight years and then get Hitler shanked by a little girl as soon as he enters Poland.

"But how else would you have handled it?"... well, I don't know, but in broad strokes, I would have had the White Walkers take over Westeros. I'm fine with their eventual defeat, but only after they took over all of Westeros and each and every single one of the characters realized "oh shit, we forgot about why the Wall was built in the first place, we were shortsighted and we should have united against a common enemy rather than killing each other for that ugly chair".

TL;DR - I don't like the last seasons because the complexity, nuances and relative realism of the story were all thrown out in order to achieve blockbuster moments and arriving at selected plot points without putting in the effort to make those plots belieavable and coherent. I'm fine with Dany going crazy. I'm NOT fine with her doing a napalm carpet bombing of a town that just surrended when two episodes ago she was one of the (flawed) protagonists.

I don't want a Disney happy ending. I want proper plot development, like in seasons 1-4, that justifies WHY we don't get a Disney happy ending.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Lonk on October 25, 2023, 05:47:06 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 01:57:32 AM
TL;DR - I don't like the last seasons because the complexity, nuances and relative realism of the story were all thrown out in order to achieve blockbuster moments and arriving at selected plot points without putting in the effort to make those plots belieavable and coherent. I'm fine with Dany going crazy. I'm NOT fine with her doing a napalm carpet bombing of a town that just surrended when two episodes ago she was one of the (flawed) protagonists.

I don't want a Disney happy ending. I want proper plot development, like in seasons 1-4, that justifies WHY we don't get a Disney happy ending.

I don't disagree with any of that, you are 100% correct. And I think it was Stadler who told me that it's noticeable when the show stopped following the books, and I also agree with that. But as someone who did not have years of anticipation and saw all 8 seasons in the span of a month or so, those things diminished the quality of the show, but did not killed the show for me.

One of the things that no one talks about that bothered me (A LOT) is how around season 6, travel time became immediate. The first 5 seasons you had a character saying "Hey, I gotta go over there", and it would be 3-4 episodes before they even made it to their destination. Look at Varys. At the end of season 6, he went from Meereen or Dorne in no time, only to be shown on the ship to Dragonstone a few minutes later. Jon saying "Hey, I'm going to see the Mother of Dragons", and getting there just a few minutes later. Yes, travelling on a dragon beyond the wall as also one of those moments.

The whole White Walker thing was the biggest disappointment for me though, and I think your analogy is perfect. I did not have an issue with them being defeated by Arya. My issue was that you spent 7 seasons building them up, and the conflict lasted no time. Also, I don't like what they did with my guy Tyrion. I get that the dude went through a lot but season 7 and 8 he was just a completely different character. And Bran? What was all that about? There was a video I saw that offers a rewrite version of the last couple episodes and I thought that would've been much better. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0mncEl4nVU) But again, the drop in quality didn't kill the show for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 25, 2023, 08:33:29 AM: Quote from: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: Grappler on October 24, 2023, 07:07:06 PM
That's exactly how I felt. I think a lot of the fan reaction was because it just didn't end the way that each fan wanted it to end.

Go at the end for a TL;DR.

I can only speak for myself, but what I didn't like is the very noticeable change in the approach once the source material ran out. It went from a non predictable show, that tried to have some realistic turns of events, into a blockbuster with all the cliches of big action scenes, and illogical turns of the plot just to get to the "whoah" moment (yeah, I'm looking at you, Dany crossing a continent riding on a dragon to save Jon beyond the wall at the last possible second).

Game of Thrones was a show / story were the famous expectations were subverted, but not for the sake of it as the writers grossly misinterpeted - it was more a matter of the characters facing consequences without having a plot armor that shields the protagonists of most fantasy stories and shows.

The fact that Ned Stark was too honorable and naive for his own good had consequences.
Years of neglect and mistreating from Tywin to Tyrion had consequences.
Oberyn being obsessed with his need for revenge had consequences.

It's one of the taglines of the show: "when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die". People not winning died. In the Princess Bride, Indigo Montoya had a catchphrase for his need for revenge, and he got it brilliantly. Oberyn didn't because more often than not, if you're too obsessed with something you're gonna screw it up sooner or later.

Situations like these is what set Game of Thrones apart, and it was turned into a generic blockbuster with the complexity of the plot thrown away for big cinematic scenes.

Also, I'm still not over how the White Walkers menace was handled. It was said from Lord Commander Mormont to Jon Snow already in season one: "When the White Walkers arrive, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?". That was basically the entire premise of the show - rich and egoistical lords battle for the throne when the real menace is an elemental one that comes from beyond the Wall.

There should have been the moment when the entirety of Westeros realized that the real enemy were the White Walkers. The way I like to say it, I probably posted it already here - you can't promise World War II for eight years and then get Hitler shanked by a little girl as soon as he enters Poland.

"But how else would you have handled it?"... well, I don't know, but in broad strokes, I would have had the White Walkers take over Westeros. I'm fine with their eventual defeat, but only after they took over all of Westeros and each and every single one of the characters realized "oh shit, we forgot about why the Wall was built in the first place, we were shortsighted and we should have united against a common enemy rather than killing each other for that ugly chair".

TL;DR - I don't like the last seasons because the complexity, nuances and relative realism of the story were all thrown out in order to achieve blockbuster moments and arriving at selected plot points without putting in the effort to make those plots belieavable and coherent. I'm fine with Dany going crazy. I'm NOT fine with her doing a napalm carpet bombing of a town that just surrended when two episodes ago she was one of the (flawed) protagonists.

I don't want a Disney happy ending. I want proper plot development, like in seasons 1-4, that justifies WHY we don't get a Disney happy ending.

MirrorMask for the WIN! Great post. And totally agree and think it's pretty evident that once the source material dried up this show was not the same. Botching the Jon Snow character was a black eye as well.....Arya killing the Night King was comical yet on par for what was going down in our culture at the time. The fact that no 'big name' character died in the battle of Winterfell was a joke....I know Jorah died but I'm talking Sam, Jaimie, Brieanne....Arya.....Grey Worm...etc etc. Over half of them should have perished but they were protected by lazy plot armor. Anyway....

I'll rewatch the series again.....probably a few more times in the years to come.....because even with it's decline in writing it is a good series. But it was on track to be probably the best ever made but it fizzled out due to all the reasons being stated.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 09:57:55 AM: I think for me it was more stark - see what I did there? - because I was reading the books at the same time as watching the show. So for me, the source material end was like a big shining red light. It really DID change from something meticulous and deliberate into something that was every summer Michael Bay blockbuster. No thanks. I could live with the choices in the end - thought wasn't thrilled with Bran, or how Danerys simply seemed to lose her shit in the space of an episode or two - but the way it was executed just seemed like they were over it and were going through the motions to be done with it. I honestly think they got too big for their britches (remember, they were being tempted with Star Wars at that time too) that they took their eye off the ball.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 25, 2023, 11:44:46 AM: Dany's end game was not an issue with me because that's where she was always headed. It was the 'rushed' feel of it all. The earlier seasons cultivated and manicured the character development. With the 'hard line' end of GOT being established....there were a lot of corners cut with the character development. The shows decisions per say weren't all that bad....but it needed another 12-16 episodes at minimum to get them there in a way where it felt right.

It was rushed on all accounts and it showed and suffered for it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 12:07:16 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on October 25, 2023, 11:44:46 AM
Dany's end game was not an issue with me because that's where she was always headed. It was the 'rushed' feel of it all. The earlier seasons cultivated and manicured the character development. With the 'hard line' end of GOT being established....there were a lot of corners cut with the character development. The shows decisions per say weren't all that bad....but it needed another 12-16 episodes at minimum to get them there in a way where it felt right.

It was rushed on all accounts and it showed and suffered for it.

Maybe that's it; that that's where Dany was headed, but it just seemed she went from this measured, patient determined woman with her eye firmly on the prize... to banshee in the space of an episode and a half. It felt... inauthentic, whereas the first three seasons were almost TOO authentic in many ways.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on October 25, 2023, 12:22:43 PM: Quote from: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on October 25, 2023, 11:44:46 AM
Dany's end game was not an issue with me because that's where she was always headed. It was the 'rushed' feel of it all. The earlier seasons cultivated and manicured the character development. With the 'hard line' end of GOT being established....there were a lot of corners cut with the character development. The shows decisions per say weren't all that bad....but it needed another 12-16 episodes at minimum to get them there in a way where it felt right.

It was rushed on all accounts and it showed and suffered for it.

Maybe that's it; that that's where Dany was headed, but it just seemed she went from this measured, patient determined woman with her eye firmly on the prize... to banshee in the space of an episode and a half. It felt... inauthentic, whereas the first three seasons were almost TOO authentic in many ways.

When I re-watched the series, starting in Season 1, I noticed that she was always counseled to show enemies mercy. She never did - she always executed them. Every counselor she had said the same, but she never listened to them. When you watch the show in real time, from year to year, it feels very rushed at the end, but she was definitely headed to a Mad Queen moment, since that's who she was all along.

I have my likes and dislikes, and agree that the final 2 seasons should have been longer, but I accepted it for what it was. I can truly see GRRM not finishing the books because of the fan reactions to the final season. Better to have that anger aimed at the tv show than himself, especially if his ending would be similar to the show in a number of ways.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: abydos on October 25, 2023, 12:44:30 PM: Martin is a troll so I wouldn't be surprised if he's finished the series and it's edited and ready to go, but he's given the instructions to his family/publishers to only release it after he's dead :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 01:05:12 PM: Quote from: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 09:57:55 AM
I could live with the choices in the end - thought wasn't thrilled with Bran, or how Danerys simply seemed to lose her shit in the space of an episode or two - but the way it was executed just seemed like they were over it and were going through the motions to be done with it. I honestly think they got too big for their britches (remember, they were being tempted with Star Wars at that time too) that they took their eye off the ball.

That's essentially how it went.

Quote from: abydos on October 25, 2023, 12:44:30 PM
Martin is a troll so I wouldn't be surprised if he's finished the series and it's edited and ready to go, but he's given the instructions to his family/publishers to only release it after he's dead :D

Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is most likely the current one. He's either lost the appetite for it, or can't unravel anymore all the tangled mess he got himself into with the multiple interconnecting storylines.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2023, 07:33:22 AM: Quote from: Grappler on October 25, 2023, 12:22:43 PM

When I re-watched the series, starting in Season 1, I noticed that she was always counseled to show enemies mercy. She never did - she always executed them. Every counselor she had said the same, but she never listened to them. When you watch the show in real time, from year to year, it feels very rushed at the end, but she was definitely headed to a Mad Queen moment, since that's who she was all along.

I think the ending in general was rushed, but I don't think Daenerys' turn was. Remember that she had just lost her two best friends to violent deaths (Jorah and Missandei), had lost all faith in her Hand (Tyrion), had to execute a trusted adviser for (what she viewed as) being disloyal (Varys), and had seen her lover (Jon Snow) pull away from her, so her snapping, given her aggressive tendencies she had always shown, was not unrealistic. I have issues with the way certain things were handled in the last season, but I don't think it was the total disaster that many do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: Grappler on October 26, 2023, 07:37:42 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on October 26, 2023, 07:33:22 AM
Quote from: Grappler on October 25, 2023, 12:22:43 PM

When I re-watched the series, starting in Season 1, I noticed that she was always counseled to show enemies mercy. She never did - she always executed them. Every counselor she had said the same, but she never listened to them. When you watch the show in real time, from year to year, it feels very rushed at the end, but she was definitely headed to a Mad Queen moment, since that's who she was all along.

I think the ending in general was rushed, but I don't think Daenerys' turn was. Remember that she had just lost her two best friends to violent deaths (Jorah and Missandei), had lost all faith in her Hand (Tyrion), had to execute a trusted adviser for (what she viewed as) being disloyal (Varys), and had seen her lover (Jon Snow) pull away from her, so her snapping, given her aggressive tendencies she had always shown, was not unrealistic. I have issues with the way certain things were handled in the last season, but I don't think it was the total disaster that many do.

That's how I feel. When I rewatched the series 2 years ago, I noticed how every single advisor that she had, going back to season 1, cautioned her to be merciful to enemies. That a good ruler knows when to execute someone and when not to (i.e., Cersei allowing Ned Stark to take the black and join the Night's Watch).

She always declined that and chose to slaughter her enemies. So it wasn't a rushed turn to evil as far as I'm concerned, but when you watched the series in real time, with 1-2 years between seasons, that fact was lost on many viewers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2023, 10:09:01 AM: Quote from: KevShmev on October 26, 2023, 07:33:22 AM
Quote from: Grappler on October 25, 2023, 12:22:43 PM

When I re-watched the series, starting in Season 1, I noticed that she was always counseled to show enemies mercy. She never did - she always executed them. Every counselor she had said the same, but she never listened to them. When you watch the show in real time, from year to year, it feels very rushed at the end, but she was definitely headed to a Mad Queen moment, since that's who she was all along.

I think the ending in general was rushed, but I don't think Daenerys' turn was. Remember that she had just lost her two best friends to violent deaths (Jorah and Missandei), had lost all faith in her Hand (Tyrion), had to execute a trusted adviser for (what she viewed as) being disloyal (Varys), and had seen her lover (Jon Snow) pull away from her, so her snapping, given her aggressive tendencies she had always shown, was not unrealistic. I have issues with the way certain things were handled in the last season, but I don't think it was the total disaster that many do.

I think it'd have been better for her character getting there if there were more than the handful of episodes we got taking her to that extreme end. Again, she was always heading there....the writing was on the wall for most of the series....but the condensed last couple seasons stole the opportunity for the actors involved and the story to get her there in a manner that didn't feel rushed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 26, 2023, 11:43:04 AM: Imagine Dany's turn to madness as a journey from New York to Los Angeles. They laid enough roadwork to get to St. Louis, and just teleported the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2023, 12:32:34 PM: Quote from: ZirconBlue on October 26, 2023, 11:43:04 AM
Imagine Dany's turn to madness as a journey from New York to Los Angeles. They laid enough roadwork to get to St. Louis, and just teleported the rest of the way.

I don't blame them....most people want to teleport out of St. Louis as quick as possible. :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 26, 2023, 01:42:01 PM: Quote from: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2023, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on October 26, 2023, 11:43:04 AM
Imagine Dany's turn to madness as a journey from New York to Los Angeles. They laid enough roadwork to get to St. Louis, and just teleported the rest of the way.

I don't blame them....most people want to teleport out of St. Louis as quick as possible. :lol
I visited St. Louis once. I didn't stay very long.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2023, 01:53:49 PM: Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 26, 2023, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2023, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on October 26, 2023, 11:43:04 AM
Imagine Dany's turn to madness as a journey from New York to Los Angeles. They laid enough roadwork to get to St. Louis, and just teleported the rest of the way.

I don't blame them....most people want to teleport out of St. Louis as quick as possible. :lol
I visited St. Louis once. I didn't stay very long.

Your mistake was coming here in the first place. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: ErHaO on November 02, 2023, 03:27:36 AM: I don't think the book series will be finished by GRR Martin. He is 75 years old now, the odds are decreasing by the year. I can, however, see the series eventually be continued by a different author using unfinished manuscripts and notes. But that depends on how Martin leaves his legacy.

Quote from: Vmadera00 on October 24, 2023, 05:16:23 PM
I didn't watch GoT when it originally aired. I finally gave in and watched all seasons recently. I was prepared to hate season 8 but I guess because I had such low expectations, I didn't think it was as bad as I expected.

Was it a huge drop in quality? yes! But I don't think it was the Trainwreck it was made out to be.

Expectations always influence somebodies enjoyment. For example, I greatly enjoyed my The Hobbit trilogy rewatch recently (extended editions for the first time), but was very disappointed with the third part in the cinema.

I don't think I will ever like season 8 though, because the problems at it's core for me are character development and characters interactions (vs videogame action, ugly cgi, and some not needed sidestuff in The Hobbit). But less "hate" is probably in the cards.

And as I said, where (most) characters ended up being is not the problem for me, so that is at least something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 02, 2023, 03:55:50 AM: Yeah, the problem was the journey, not the destination.

I know I already made a long post about it, but another excellent example came into my mind: the Red Wedding and the events leading up to it.

If you go back, you see all the mistakes Robb Stark made. Marrying another girl, betraying Walder Frey, being unnecessarily strict with the Karstarsk guy he got beheaded, and so on. He made mistakes, and eventually paid the ultimate price for it. So it's not a matter of "OMG this show is so edgy, they kill main characters!!!", it was a matter of, as I said, characters facing consequences for their actions rather than having plot armor.

It's not that Robb was doing great, being a perfect strategist, and then got betrayed by a trusted friend for no reason at all. His mistakes were all there to see. Walder Frey's nature was clearly stated.

There's a clear and logical development, over the course of two seasons, that brought Robb's downfall. Dany's turn to madness happened during two episodes and they needed a "previously on" feature to selectively highlight some of her troublesome moments to justify why she methodically carpet bombs with dragon napalm each and every single alley of the city she just conquered.

(And again, how she conquered it? using single handedly a dragon after the previous episode higlighted how the city was now ready to fight dragons)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 05, 2023, 10:14:14 AM: Quote from: ErHaO on November 02, 2023, 03:27:36 AM
I don't think the book series will be finished by GRR Martin. He is 75 years old now, the odds are decreasing by the year. I can, however, see the series eventually be continued by a different author using unfinished manuscripts and notes. But that depends on how Martin leaves his legacy.

I still hold out hope that we'll at least get Winds of Winter. But hopes for Dream of Spring is dwindling, which of course makes one question the point of continuing even if we get WoW. Also, I would not put much hope in someone else finishing the series Wheel of Time-style. Martin has been very clear on how he feels about another author touching his world and story, so I don't think that will ever happen.