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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: KevShmev on January 12, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
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In this thread, we discuss any and everything about the greatest television show ever.
Warning: If you have never seen the show before, there are likely to be all kinds of spoilers in this thread, so beware.
I'll start the ball rolling...
Here is how I rank the seasons in order:
2
1
5
3
6b
4
6a
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I have watched dozens of episodes on HBO over the years, but never in any order. I get the overall idea, and I enjoy the show very much. The actors and actresses do a great job, and it is cool watching them age over the years.
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In regards to the acting, it can never be said enough how awesome a job Edie Falco did as Carmela. Gandolfini was obviously dynamite as Tony Soprano, but Falco was arguably as good as him. There are certain scenes that I can rewatch and still be absolutely blown away by her acting.
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I'm actually about to watch this show from the beginning. I just finished watching The Wire, so I figured this one should be next.
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I'm actually about to watch this show from the beginning. I just finished watching The Wire, so I figured this one should be next.
Prepare to witness the show of a lifetime.
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This was my favorite show ever until I watched the Wire :sadpanda:
I can't rank seasons since I don't remember exactly what happened in each, but from the temporary characters I enjoyed Buscemi and Pantoliano a lot.
Also Kev, I totally agree with your comment on Falco. The scene in the hospital (you know which) had me literally in tears.
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I've always wanted to follow this, but never gotten the opportunity.
Oh well, guess i gotta get it done. ;)
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Amazing show.
Not sure exactly how to rank seasons, they're all so good. 2 and 5 are a couple of the best, I think 3 is probably the worst.
So... what does everyone think of the ending? :P
Personally I'd already heard of it so I was expecting it. I do see why people don't like it, but now that I know more about it I think it's pretty good. It's just one scene so you can take it or leave it really, and it gives people something to think about / talk about for the ending, instead of just ending like a regular episode.
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Great show, it was fun having to compact watching the whole thing into basically two months.
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In regards to the acting, it can never be said enough how awesome a job Edie Falco did as Carmela. Gandolfini was obviously dynamite as Tony Soprano, but Falco was arguably as good as him. There are certain scenes that I can rewatch and still be absolutely blown away by her acting.
100% agreed. When she told him "I don't love you anymore" in the big emotional breakup, it absolutely could have been a real-life moment.
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I'm actually about to watch this show from the beginning. I just finished watching The Wire, so I figured this one should be next.
Good call! Feel free to post away as you go through the episodes. :tup :tup
Also Kev, I totally agree with your comment on Falco. The scene in the hospital (you know which) had me literally in tears.
How about the "Whitecaps" episode? I feel sorry for any other actress in a drama series that season, because after seeing that, they had to be thinking, "Well, there goes my shot at winning the Emmy this year." :lol
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In regards to the acting, it can never be said enough how awesome a job Edie Falco did as Carmela. Gandolfini was obviously dynamite as Tony Soprano, but Falco was arguably as good as him. There are certain scenes that I can rewatch and still be absolutely blown away by her acting.
100% agreed. When she told him "I don't love you anymore" in the big emotional breakup, it absolutely could have been a real-life moment.
Absolutely. Or when the first fight begins, and Carmela says that the cousin wouldn't make it up and that she's jealous, she then starts hitting him, and when Tony grabs her to restrain her, the way she screams, "Let go of me!" the first time is chilling. It is so realistic, it's scary.
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Oh shit. That was a tough scene :lol So realistic, and it wasn't even an arabic drama soap! :omg:
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I watched the first four episodes since last night. I really like it so far.
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I watched the first four episodes since last night. I really like it so far.
Sweet. Keep it up. :tup :tup
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"College" was an incredible episode. Wow, I'm officially hooked.
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"College" is unique in that the powers-that-be did not want the show's main character to commit such a horrible crime on-screen, as they feared fans of the show were turn against him, but David Chase was adamant about Tony being the one to do it. And he was right.
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"College" is arguably the best episode of the series.
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"College" is arguably the best episode of the series.
It's up there. Personally, I think "Long Term Parking" is the best, with "Pine Barrens" and "The Knight in White Satin Armor" not far behind.
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I woke up this morning, guys... And got myself a gun. What do?
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I woke up this morning, guys... And got myself a gun. What do?
Dunno. Did your papa tell you about right and wrong?
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I woke up this morning, guys... And got myself a gun. What do?
Dunno. Did your papa tell you about right and wrong?
Nope, never. Shame about it, I was born under a bad sign. I guess.
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just finished the Sopranos. Holy shit people weren't kidding when they said best TV Show ever. There aren't many movies that are better than that let alone Tv shows.
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I think all of the successors to The Sopranos were superior to it (with the exception of Boardwalk Empire), but it still deserves a lot of credit. The series suffers from a few big flaws, especially in the later seasons, that imo drags its quality below (and sometimes well below) the shows it paved the way for.
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just finished the Sopranos. Holy shit people weren't kidding when they said best TV Show ever. There aren't many movies that are better than that let alone Tv shows.
Damn straight. :tup :tup
I think all of the successors to The Sopranos were superior to it (with the exception of Boardwalk Empire), but it still deserves a lot of credit. The series suffers from a few big flaws, especially in the later seasons, that imo drags its quality below (and sometimes well below) the shows it paved the way for.
And what are these alleged big flaws?
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Most of them come from it running too long. Themes were re-trodden, characters and plot arcs were extended into unreasonable places, and some stretches became nauseatingly dull/unwatchable from either contempt of the audience (on behalf of Chase) or flimsy motivation. Meadow and AJ failed to become compelling characters independent of Tony.
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couldn't disagree more i loved Aj's character especially in the last season. Honestly i don't see the complaints you guys are making. I wasn't bored for a second.
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The only issue I have with the entire series is the open ended, non-closure of the pine barrens episode. I (wrongly) assumed that the Russian would become a HUGE story line later on, and because of that, have always felt a bit disappointed.
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The only issue I have with the entire series is the open ended, non-closure of the pine barrens episode. I (wrongly) assumed that the Russian would become a HUGE story line later on, and because of that, have always felt a bit disappointed.
I always assumed that he died from the gun shot wound. I figure if he didn't die he would still be in the story. What do you think?
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Why did their characters have to become independent of Tony? Meadow's arc was very realistic, in that she was always considering law or med school, but after leaning towards med school at first, she eventually went with law, in large part because of how she not only saw her father treated (through her eyes), but minorities, too. And AJ was always a useless dolt, so him not going anywhere was no big shock. :lol
As for Pine Barrens, again, that is very realistic. Besides, since he was never heard from again, it is probably safe to assume that he died, but they simply couldn't find him once they got lost in the woods. That added to the greatness of that episode, and I never expected anything else to come of that. Remember, David Chase was never about wrapping everything up in a nice little package, or going with the predictable "Hollywood" rout. Heck, look at the end of the Employee of the Month episode. Everybody and their mother wanted Dr. Melfi to tell Tony what happened, so Tony could make mincemeat out of that rapist, but her doing so would have destroyed her character and made her not much better than Tony.
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Why did their characters have to become independent of Tony? Meadow's arc was very realistic, in that she was always considering law or med school, but after leaning towards med school at first, she eventually went with law, in large part because of how she not only saw her father treated (through her eyes), but minorities, too. And AJ was always a useless dolt, so him not going anywhere was no big shock. :lol
I meant that their characters were not compelling in storylines independent of Tony.
I like the lack of resolution to "Pine Barrens."
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The only issue I have with the entire series is the open ended, non-closure of the pine barrens episode. I (wrongly) assumed that the Russian would become a HUGE story line later on, and because of that, have always felt a bit disappointed.
I always assumed that he died from the gun shot wound. I figure if he didn't die he would still be in the story. What do you think?
That is a good point. I always thought that since the trail of blood just ends, that it was a very minor wound and he was able to cover it. The episode also made him seem very survivalist when compared to the highly incompetent Chris & Paulie. I wanted to see a mob conflict between Tony's crew and the Russian boss he was dealing with, and I figured that was where it was going.
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yeah that's good a point. Didn't think about that! have to watch it again.
That is a good point. I always thought that since the trail of blood just ends, that it was a very minor wound and he was able to cover it. The episode also made him seem very survivalist when compared to the highly incompetent Chris & Paulie. I wanted to see a mob conflict between Tony's crew and the Russian boss he was dealing with, and I figured that was where it was going.
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https://www.sopranofamily.com/quote_Uncle_Junior.html
some classics in here
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Most of them come from it running too long. Themes were re-trodden, characters and plot arcs were extended into unreasonable places, and some stretches became nauseatingly dull/unwatchable from either contempt of the audience (on behalf of Chase) or flimsy motivation. Meadow and AJ failed to become compelling characters independent of Tony.
Couldn't disagree more with you there. And I know you're a big fan of HBO and good TV.
You used the word 'unwatchable'. Which show were you watching? Because I thought each and every Season was brilliant from start to finish.
I think you're looking for something in The Sopranos that just isn't there. The Sopranos never goes out of its way to develop characters. Instead, it relies upon its plot development and its performances. If you're expecting some massive character arc to come in, then you're always going to be disappointed. This show was more about how things can go from good, to bad, to great, to absolute disaster. It was realistic in that sense.
Themes are always re-trodden in good TV shows. If you're expecting any more than 3 Seasons, then that's a given.
Sopranos is every bit as good as The Wire, IMO. Maybe not quite as consistant, as you may point out. But both are way up there. What I like more about Sopranos, is the unpredictability in its writing. It's just so effortless at times, it makes me wonder why anyone needs character development in the first place. Things don't just happen for a reason. They just happen.
It's like the show just 'is'.
People are often quick to point out the Dr Melfi situation at the end. But if they're looking for closure they're watching the wrong TV show. It's like the very last scene in the show. Simply put - it just ends. Take it of leave it. (of course there are many interpretations, but you get the jist of it)
Might go back and watch them all again, infact. Just pure brilliance.
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Great post, Necessary Pain. I agree with almost everything you said.
I can't imagine a fan of the show thinking anything on it was ever unwatchable, although the Vito storyline in 6A got a bit tedious, but other than that, I don't see it.
GuineaPig, I don't disagree about Meadow and AJ's storylines independent of Tony being not very compelling, but what were they really given? Once Meadow went off to college in Season 3, the only major things she was involved in were her relationships with Noah, Jackie Jr., Finn, etc. Even her career decisions, etc. were more or less glossed over quickly, or talked about by others, with maybe a scene here or a scene there about it. It was never something that really dominated an episode.
As for AJ, again, he was useless, and it didn't help that Robert Iler never became much of an actor. He was focused on a lot, though, in both 6A and 6B.
But really, who cares that the kids weren't given enough storylines overall?
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Great post, Necessary Pain. I agree with almost everything you said.
I can't imagine a fan of the show thinking anything on it was ever unwatchable, although the Vito storyline in 6A got a bit tedious, but other than that, I don't see it.
GuineaPig, I don't disagree about Meadow and AJ's storylines independent of Tony being not very compelling, but what were they really given? Once Meadow went off to college in Season 3, the only major things she was involved in were her relationships with Noah, Jackie Jr., Finn, etc. Even her career decisions, etc. were more or less glossed over quickly, or talked about by others, with maybe a scene here or a scene there about it. It was never something that really dominated an episode.
As for AJ, again, he was useless, and it didn't help that Robert Iler never became much of an actor. He was focused on a lot, though, in both 6A and 6B.
But really, who cares that the kids weren't given enough storylines overall?
i really liked the Vito story line. I don't know maybe i'm alone lol
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The problem with the Vito storyline was that it ran parallel to other major storylines that weren't as exciting as those in years past. Had that storyline taken place when other major storylines, that were much more popular, were going on, it probably wouldn't have caught as much grief as it did.
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i posted this in the the other thread but i think it's more appropriate here...
Surprised Irena with an awesome day trip! Was a lot of fun and took some pics and video. They’re in a set called "Sopranos Day W/Irena".
https://www.flickr.com/photos/60382194@N08/sets/72157626252422022/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60382194@N08/sets/72157626252422022/)
Also took this video which i uploaded to youtube. Check out the description!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfreD1sshQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfreD1sshQ)
here are a few sample pics!
(https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5300/5521291410_b5cb7c5f24.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60382194@N08/5521291410/)
Untitled (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60382194@N08/5521291410/) by tjanuranus (https://www.flickr.com/people/60382194@N08/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5013/5521226962_d0148744f6.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60382194@N08/5521226962/)
The infamous seat from the last scene. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60382194@N08/5521226962/) by tjanuranus (https://www.flickr.com/people/60382194@N08/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5139/5521228056_7fcb7e9091.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60382194@N08/5521228056/)
Untitled (https://www.flickr.com/photos/60382194@N08/5521228056/) by tjanuranus (https://www.flickr.com/people/60382194@N08/), on Flickr
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It has now been four years and two days since Tony Soprano died.
Shame on me for being two days late in posting this. :lol
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and every Friday and Saturday Sopranos bus tours still come through my family's restaurant :lol
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Still the funniest scene ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2dZPU595xM&feature=related
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I'm actually on season 5 of the show right now, first time seeing it, but loving every second of it!
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Any scene with Paulie was just pure gold.
Literally made me LOL in every scene he was in. Just the most perfect, most selfish, ass-kissing character in TV history.
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Tell us more, Dimitrius! Favorite scenes, episodes, characters, etc.! I could discuss Sopranos all day and night. :)
NP, Paulie was a great character, although I do think he became a bit unlikable later in the series, pretty much after he committed probably the most despicable murder of the entire series (can anyone guess what it is?). However, it always kills me in Season 6 (I'll leave out the main subject matter so as not to spoil it for Dimitrius or anyone else who hasn't seen it yet) when he is talking on the phone about a million dollar score, while clipping coupons at the same time. :lol :lol :lol
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Tell us more, Dimitrius! Favorite scenes, episodes, characters, etc.! I could discuss Sopranos all day and night. :)
Well, I lied, I disliked what they did with Livia. The actress had died, why they didn't just do a "she died in her sleep" and felt the need to do what they did is beyond me!
But let's see, I love practically any scene with Paulie in it, especially when he thought ghosts were after him. The scenes with Melfi and Tony are always enjoyable, Joe Pantoliano was cool while he lasted and I like the few times Silvio goes all out on people.
I don't remember exactly which episode I'm on, I remember that it's soon after Carmine dies and there's some definite tension growing between Johnny Sacks and Tony.
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Yeah, the final scene with Livia, using CGI, was a definite WTF. It seems like most fans of the show agree that that scene was unnecessary and forgettable. The end of the episode is very powerful, though, with Tony watching the James Cagney movie where Cagney's character's mother was very caring and loving, unlike Livia, and Tony tearing up as the episode ended.
The scene with Paulie and the psychic was hysterical.
Joey Pants was incredible as Ralphie. He managed to make that character easy to hate, yet very funny at the same time. The scene with Tony where they discuss what to do with Jackie Jr. following the his card game shenanigans with his buddies is one of the best scenes of the whole series. Tony plays him like a fiddle in that scene.
Keep us up to date on your Season 5 progress. The whole season is magnificent, except for In Camelot, which sticks out like a sore thumb, and is probably the worst episode of the entire series.
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NP, Paulie was a great character, although I do think he became a bit unlikable later in the series, pretty much after he committed probably the most despicable murder of the entire series (can anyone guess what it is?). However, it always kills me in Season 6 (I'll leave out the main subject matter so as not to spoil it for Dimitrius or anyone else who hasn't seen it yet) when he is talking on the phone about a million dollar score, while clipping coupons at the same time. :lol :lol :lol
Even that murder had me LOL'ing, simply due to how ridiculous it was. :lol (I hope you're talking about the matress 'scene')
And shit, I forgot about the coupon scene! Another golden moment.
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Finished season 5, those last two episodes had some real tense moments!
Also, Kev, when you refer to Paulie's despicable murder, SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SERIES is it when he kills the old woman that didn't like Paulie's mom?
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I assumed he meant Pie-O-My.
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Wait, what?!?!?!
Did I miss when the show outright said that?!?!
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Yes, I was referring to Paulie murdering Minn at the end of Season 4.
It was never stated who killed the horse. The popular theory is that Ralph did it, but it was never confirmed, and Joey Pants has said in several interviews that he played the scene like Ralph didn't kill the horse. I always thought it was delicious irony that, after Ralph did a million things that he deserved to be whacked for, Tony killed him over something he didn't do.
Also, I still say that Long Term Parking was the best Sopranos episode.
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Ah, ok! For a moment there I thought I had completely missed that.
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Well, one "out there" was that Paulie killed the horse as retribution for Ralph's prank call to Nucci, but I never bought that. Everything indicated that it was an accident. But Tony was upset, and Ralph didn't give two craps about it (and really, why should he have, considering his son was in the hospital with a serious injury?), so it was easy for Tony to jump to that conclusion, even if it was probably wrong.
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No, I completely understand why Tony would jump to a conclusion and why Ralph was just like "I don't give a shit", but I always felt that it was just an accident.
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I don't know if everything is made to look like it was an accident (Ralph's defence was suspicious), but I feel that it is deliberately ambiguous.
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Just checking in to say I'm beginning Season 3 of The Sopranos. I know I'm late but I never had HBO. I've got it On Demand now and have watched the first two seasons in four day's time.
It's brilliant! I'm glad I have so many much left to view!
as you were... :hat
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Awesome. IMO, Seasons 1 and 2 are the best ones, along with Season 5, but the rest are no slouches either. Keep us posted as to your progress!! :coolio
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I have only seen a handful of episodes which has surprised just about everyone I know. Usually if something has to do with the mafia, I am on it like white on rice. For some reason, though, I never sat down weekly to watch The Sopranos. It's not that I dislike it or have no interest. It's just one of those things where I never remembered to watch it. Maybe one day I'll start to watch the episodes.
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I have only seen a handful of episodes which has surprised just about everyone I know. Usually if something has to do with the mafia, I am on it like white on rice. For some reason, though, I never sat down weekly to watch The Sopranos. It's not that I dislike it or have no interest. It's just one of those things where I never remembered to watch it. Maybe one day I'll start to watch the episodes.
you really should. It is some seriously good drama.
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I'm on the second to the last episode in season 6. :eek
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6a or 6b?
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6b
Finished by now. That last scene in the diner with the family...the tension, snap to black and dead silence was exquisite!!! :eek
I think it's a tie with Breaking Bad for a great finale.
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Nah. I don't think it touches the Breaking Bad finale. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sopranos to death, and thought that last scene, in hindsight, was brilliant, but the rest of the last episode was just okay. It didn't have that finale feel to it. It was just like another episode, and not a very good one overall. If I had to list my top 20 Sopranos episodes, for instance, it wouldn't come close to making it. No, it wasn't a terrible episode like In Camelot or Christopher (undoubtedly the two worst of the series), but it still wasn't that good. I think it didn't help that so many of the main characters had been killed off that it felt kind of empty. Of course, that was the point - Tony had few people close to him left - but it was just...lacking. The last scene was still great, though!
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Actually, I agree with you. I'm probably more psyched off of that last scene than anything else.
I could barely breathe thru the whole thing...and Meadow, park that car, already!!! :P
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I finally got around to starting this from the beginning about two weeks ago. I have two episodes left of season 3. THis is hands down the best show I've watched in a very long time. So many feels. Couple of thoughts....
- Everyone on the show is a piece of shit but I like them anyway
- I feel bad for Carmella, but at the same time, she sticks around
- Meadow is getting crazy good looking as the show goes on
- Paulie is the worst of them. I like him the least.
- Shame what went down with Puss.
- Jennifer getting raped was the hardest thing I've ever watched on a TV show. The girlfriend and I had to stop and take a ten minute breather after that. Anyone that bitched about that GOT scene has obviously never seen the scene I'm referring to.
- Bruce Springsteen's guitar player is Silvio :lol :lol He's my favorite.
- I'm so glad Richie didn't last long.
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I refuse to watch the rape scene. I saw it once and that was enough. Very hard to watch, for sure.
The first time watching, I was also glad to see Richie go when he did, but every time since, man, you wished he had stuck around longer. The scenes where he and Tony argued (see: almost any involving both :lol) were always great. Still, he had to go when he did.
Carmela is hard to feel sorry for. She knew was she was getting into, and she took full advantage of being the wife of a mob boss. The episode in Season 2 where she intimidates her neighbor's sister into writing a rec for Meadow for Georgetown said it all.
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Such a good show! I caught an episode on a flight a couple months ago and was reminded how great this show was. I should go back and rewatch for fun since I have it all on DVD.
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The episode in Season 2 where she intimidates her neighbor's sister into writing a rec for Meadow for Georgetown said it all.
Good point. I forgot about that.
I have one episode left in season three. The one I finished last night was the one where Jackie and his two friends jacked Christopher's poker game. Man, that was so intense.
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I love the Sopranos, never did get to see it when it aired but finally caught it on Amazon Prime when it became available. Such a great show and will need to watch it again sometime soon. Definitely a top 5 show of all time for me.
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I have one episode left in season three. The one I finished last night was the one where Jackie and his two friends jacked Christopher's poker game. Man, that was so intense.
Jackie = idiot
And how awesome was "Pine Barrens"??
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I have one episode left in season three. The one I finished last night was the one where Jackie and his two friends jacked Christopher's poker game. Man, that was so intense.
Jackie = idiot
And how awesome was "Pine Barrens"??
What happened to the Russian?
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He was an interior decorator who loved his universal remote.
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My ranking of the seasons:
1. 1 (which is the case for the vast majority of shows)
2. 2 (although realistic, the killing off of Big Pussy was the point where the show jumped the shark)
3. 3 (at this point, the show became decent, no longer great)
4. 5 (a slight return to form after the hugely disappointing season 4)
5. 4 (I remember being very pissed at the quality of the season after it having been off a year and a half with Gandolfini's holdout)
6. 6A (disgusted me so much that I didn't even watch all of the second half of the season)
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The Sopranos never jumped the shark.
If anything, they lost something when Nancy Marchand died, but even still, Livia wasn't nearly the presence in Season 2 that she was in Season 1, yet S2 was still totally awesome.
To me, the 6-episode run of Marco Polo through All Due Respect, at the end of Season 5, is one of the best 6-episode runs of any television show ever.
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You can disagree about whether the show jumped the shark or not, but you have to admit that it was never as good after Big Pussy (and Livia) died.
Admittedly, I am not as big a fan of the series as you are, at least as far as knowing episode titles and such, so I did look up the last six episodes of 5, and you are right, that was an excellent string of episodes, and I must now amend my order and place season 5 above 3 now.
Season 5 ended so strongly that I had a renewed enthusiasm about the show, but then when season 6 became the AJ and Vito show, I lost all interest in the show. I did see parts of the second half with Tony offing his heir apparent (whom my friends stupidly thought was a mercy killing) and the finale where New York and New Jersey were offing each other's capos, and I enjoyed the last scene of Phil at the gas station, but was expecting a little more, at least for Tony.
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Well, Seasons 1 and 2 were the best, but the show was still excellent more often than not after that. It's not like it went downhill and sucked after Sal and Livia were gone.
I think many were expecting more from the ending. The last scene aside, the last episode was very underwhelming. One problem was that so many major characters had died (or in Silvio's case, were in a coma), that many of the core characters over the years simply weren't there for the last episode.
I also didn't like how they changed Tony's accent at the end. They supposedly brought in a voice coach, who made his accent more "New Jersey," but it was so different than the way he had talked for most of the series that it was just kind of odd.
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I was not saying that the absence of Livia and Pussy were the sole reason the show went downhill, it could have been mere coincidence. Other than Furio, they failed to introduce likable (or hateable in a good way) new characters, with maybe the exception of the expansion of Phil's character, to pick up the slack. Plus, I think most shows only have a few good seasons in them before they start to go stale, and very few have good ones late in their run.
I never noticed the accent change in Tony for season 6. Now I'm going to have to go on On Demand and do a compare and contrast.
I think part of the reason the show went downhill in my eyes is because Chase went out of his way to make the characters less likable. Who didn't enjoy when Tony took care of the informant on Meadow's college visit, or when Paulie and Christopher took care of Palmice while he was jogging. When Tony whipped the city councilor because he was banging his ex-goomah after it was he who called it off in the first place, or when Paulie snuffed out the old lady, or when Paulie and Christopher killed the waiter, they were no longer cool. Your avatar, despite being a serial killer, remained cool for almost the entirety of the series. Deb, on the other hand, went from being very likable to detestable (almost as much as Rita) the last two seasons.
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They did become less likable, I agree, but they were way more likable early on that they should have been. Call it glorifying the mafia life, but we shouldn't be liking characters like Tony or Paulie, yet we did, which was a testament to the excellent writing, and quite frankly, the acting. Gandolfini did an awesome job of making Tony likable at times, because of his natural charisma and that boyish grin. It was hard to not like Tony more often than not, especially when pitted against antagonists who were far worse than he was (Richie, Ralphie, Phil, etc.), in relative terms.
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Well, if we can't see eye to eye in football, I'm glad we can when it comes to other topics.
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LOL, well, I don't look at this or the other thread as arguing; I see them as friendly discussions, and those can sometimes be friendly disagreements. :biggrin:
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How could I have possibly forgotten about the time Tony stapled Palmice's suit to his body. That was the funniest thing I had ever seen on TV up to that point, maybe only replaced by the Al Swearengen/Mr. Wu "CS" conversation on the first year of Deadwood.
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Poor Mikey. First, he gets diagnosed with Fuckfaceitis, and then he gets shot to death when the poor guy was just going for a nice jog in the country.
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But at least he told his wife he loved her before he left. At least that's the story she told the press.
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I'm still wondering what is more comical with the death scene of...
CHINO, DO NOT READ
...Jackie Jr.:
a) Jackie somehow missing Vito's on the side of the road when he walked by him (immediately prior to be gunned down)
or
b) Vito taking 27 minutes to get in the car
I am going with b. Nothing screams GREAT HIT like the killer taking forever to get into the getaway car because he's too fat. :rollin :rollin
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"O-bli-kay?! (Oblique) Hey, no Spanish words!" - Jackie Jr., playing Scrabble with Meadow.
I forgot about Vito's drastic weight loss. Either, A) he realized that it was a detriment when he had to make a quick getaway after a hit, or more likely, B) he had outgrown his leather man outfit and wanted to fit back into it.
Glenn Hughes, the original Village People leather man, was one of the three straight members (along with the policeman/admiral and the soldier) of the group, yet became one of the biggest gay stereotypes known to man.
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I doubt Vito's weight loss was part of the original script, but once the actor who played Vito lost a ton of weight, they worked it in.
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Just trying to maintain kayfabe, KevShmev.
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Heh, understand.
And mad props to whoever made Joseph Gannascoli's main pic on IMDB what it is:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0304430/
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I just started watching this. Three episodes in and I'm really enjoying it.
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Nice. I still say the first two seasons of the Sopranos are arguably the best two seasons of television ever. Not that the rest isn't great - most of it is, especially most of 3 and 4, all of 5 (except for one bad episode) and some of 6a and 6b - but those first two are just something else.
Man, I wish I could watch them for the first time again.
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Tony's mother's personality really irritates me. The sooner something happens to her the better.
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Her personality is why she was awesome. She is a major reason why Season 1 in particular was so great.
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Her personality is why she was awesome. She is a major reason why Season 1 in particular was so great.
Yup, the mother effect on Tony had a huge impact on him. Those early seasons when Tony would see Dr. Melfi were great TV.
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Just started Season 3. I'm totally hooked.
Tony's mother died. YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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Great show, let down only by the absolutely dreadful acting 'abilities' of Robert Iler, who plays A.J. It often happens in TV shows where a child gets a part because he has the 'look' they want, but as they grow up it becomes clear they actually can't act (Jake in Two and a Half Men for example).
In Season 6, that preposterous story-line which sees him engaged to a woman ten years his senior who promptly breaks up with him, was intolerable. Yet another run of episodes for A.J to behave like a miserable, moaning, whiny, boring little prick. The writers clearly didn't know what to write for him, given his limited talent, so just kept thinking up ways to make him depressed and sullen.
Aside from that though, it's one of the great shows. Commendatori (my favourite episode, where they all realise the world 'back home in the old country' which they've idealised is in fact grim bullshit), College, Pine Barrens and the 2 episodes with Tony in a coma (Kevin Finnity!) are some of the highest quality writing on tv.
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Most of the way through Season 4. Kev, I see what you mean when you said 3 and 4 were pretty good but not on the level of 1 and 2. The whole Furio/Carmella thing is one of those storyline tropes I hate seeing because it's a typical later season "we need to develop this character" blah blah thing that shows do.
Looking ahead I saw that Season 6 is 21 episodes. Was this during the writers strike where they had to split up the season?
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No, I just think they decided to call it seasons 6a and 6b for God knows what reason. Not sure why they didn't just call the last season the 7th one.
The Furio/Carmela storyline seems nearly universally hated by Sopranos fans, for obvious reasons. They turned Furio from a bad ass into a whimpering wus who is lusting after the boss' wife. The presence of Ralph in seasons 3 and 4 more than made up for it, however.
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Ralph went almost a season later than I thought he would but looking at how the story played out it makes sense. I wanted him and his stupid McDonalds arch haircut out of the show the second I saw him.
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I had a similar reaction to Ralphie than I did to Richie: the first time through, I couldn't wait for Tony or someone to take him out, but the second time through, since I already knew their eventual fates, I was able to enjoy how awesome, well written and brilliantly acted both characters were.
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Season 6 here we go.
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Curious to see what you think of it.
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In the middle of the 5th episode. It's been great so far and you can see the empire starting to crumble.
Also it was probably the music but the end of the second episode where Tony's coma self was just sitting in that hotel room at night all alone with that lighthouse/beacon in the background made me really sad. I just wanted to give ol' Tone a hug.
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Also it was probably the music but the end of the second episode where Tony's coma self was just sitting in that hotel room at night all alone with that lighthouse/beacon in the background made me really sad. I just wanted to give ol' Tone a hug.
Yep, that is easily one of the best endings they ever did. And the song they picked for it couldn't have been more perfect. I am a little iffy on certain aspects of Season 6a, but that moment alone is terrific. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Keep an eye out for my dad and grandma when you get to the finale :biggrin:
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I finally got to see the only Sopranos episode I had ever seen when it airs but in context (6-6). The only things I remember was when Tony came down singing "sitting on a park bench" and my friends laughing at the Aqualung reference and Vito leaving his car in the rain and walking away with his bags. No idea why those two things are so vivid.
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So you are to the "Vito is gay" storyline, largely considered a lowlight of the show.
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Kinda bummed about the thing with Artie the next episode because he's one of my favorite characters. An asshole with flaws but one of the actual good guys on the show.
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Yep, always liked Artie. He was much more part of the show in Season 1, but we still always saw him the rest of the way, even if he was rarely featured.
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One thing I'm confused about. So AJ starts the construction job, Paulie comes by, and that sort of initiates the whole AJ's new girlfriend thing. Wasn't that girl Paulie's girl? If so, how come Paulie didn't say anything when he came over to the Soprano residence and she was there?
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I hate episodes like this and it probably has to do with large writing staffs. Apparently Tony is now a degenerate gambler and almost all of his conversations now are about gambling. Then we'll go to the next episode and it's like the gambling thing isn't that big of a deal again (like it has been the entire show).
I don't know why this kind of stuff bugs me but I really hate when good shows take an episode or two "off" to focus on either a side character or some flaw with a main character that is clearly for filler and while the showrunners/writers think it adds some dimension to the show it is usually completely out of character for whoever the focus of the episode is.
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Finale time.
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That was awesome.
axeman, doesn't your family own that diner?
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That was awesome.
axeman, doesn't your family own that diner?
Yes indeed, my dad is one of the owners.
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That was awesome.
axeman, doesn't your family own that diner?
Yes indeed, my dad is one of the owners.
:metal :metal :metal :metal
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I hate episodes like this and it probably has to do with large writing staffs. Apparently Tony is now a degenerate gambler and almost all of his conversations now are about gambling. Then we'll go to the next episode and it's like the gambling thing isn't that big of a deal again (like it has been the entire show).
I don't know why this kind of stuff bugs me but I really hate when good shows take an episode or two "off" to focus on either a side character or some flaw with a main character that is clearly for filler and while the showrunners/writers think it adds some dimension to the show it is usually completely out of character for whoever the focus of the episode is.
Agreed. I was not a fan of the "Chasing It" episode. Like you said, we went from Tony always being a gambler on the side, to all of a sudden he can't win and has a problem, and then it is gone again.
That was awesome.
I stand by my long-held view of the finale; the last scene was clever, albeit rather unsatisfying, while the rest of the episode was pretty average.
And what, no reaction to the resolution to the Tony/Christopher relationship??
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I was so out of it this morning when I was watching it. It took me a second to realize what he was doing but I wasn't totally surprised since Tony was starting to see Chris as somewhat of a liability. I was surprised he didn't show any emotions in private though, it was just sort of an act he did like when he took out Tony B.
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The relationship was damaged beyond repair. The end of Stage 5 is one of the most awesome episode endings they have had, with Phil's realization that he had to change his ways (for the bad), following by the christening where Tony and Chrissy hugged and you could see in both of their eyes during the hug that there was nothing left between them anymore.
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Have you heard the news?
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....He is Risen...
Just got to the episode where Vito gets whacked. Loved his storyline there where he skipped town. I thought they did a good job with that.
Also, I was rewatching a few episodes. Christopher's intervention--Two foreshadows both in real life and television.
After learning that Christopher killed the dog by sitting on it, Tony tells Christopher that he ought to suffocate him. I know I'm not to that part yet, but I remember when it was on originally on, Tony suffocates Christopher after the crash.
Second, Christopher chastises Tony for his eating habits and says that with the way Tony eats, he'll be dead of a heart attack by 50. Gandolfini died of a heart attack at 51 :(
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You might be the first person to say they liked that Vito storyline. :lol :biggrin:
I think, for me Season 6a is so "meh" overall that the Vito storyline just stood out as more meh stuff. I did like the long dream sequence when Tony was in the coma, and the episode where Johnny Sack's daughter gets married is great, but overall 6a really falls flat. By far the least best season of an otherwise magnificent show.
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You might be the first person to say they liked that Vito storyline. :lol :biggrin:
I think, for me Season 6a is so "meh" overall that the Vito storyline just stood out as more meh stuff. I did like the long dream sequence when Tony was in the coma, and the episode where Johnny Sack's daughter gets married is great, but overall 6a really falls flat. By far the least best season of an otherwise magnificent show.
Yea pretty much agree although the Vito storyline was kind of funny, it was just mostly meh though.
The foreshadowing is interesting. I read one of those facebook ad websites about 50 interesting tidbits about Sopranos and the James Gandolfini eating habits and heart attack was one of them.
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I don't know, I guess I never really noticed Vito that much and it was nice to see his character a bit more. Same with Bobby in Season 6, it's nice to see him more. I am tired of and have been tired of AJ and Janice though for quite awhile
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It didn't help Vito's cause that the actor who played him wasn't much of an actor. He basically fitted the "fat Italian guy in a mafia movie/show" stereotype to a 't.' Same for the actors who played Bobby and Sal/Pussy. But, to all of their credits, they did the best they could in their roles given their limited acting skills.
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Random anecdote: At a trade show for grocery stores a few years back, Joe Gannascoli was promoting his line of pasta sauces. At the booth was Steve Schirripa (Bobby) and Tony Sirico (Paulie), and Joe. I hadn't seen the show yet, but recognized the faces. Nice guys, sauce was horrible though :lol
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I believe the proper word is 'gravy.' :biggrin: :P
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Speaking of Gravy, Goodfella Henry Hill has his own line of gravy called Sunday Gravy. It's actually not that bad compared to Joe's gravy, which I don't think is around anymore
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I was looking through my iTunes today and around the time that I was watching the show I was buying so many of the tracks that would play during the closing credits.
I must say, The Sopranos had one of the best soundtracks, there was never a song out of place and it adds so much character to the show.
My favorite soundtrack moment on the show was this one from the Season 3 premiere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPeIfSrngC4&t=393s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPeIfSrngC4&t=393s) 5:55 onward
Watching this one immediately after Season 2, Big Pussy was just killed and then we go right to this opening. It's just awesome. One of my favorite moments in the show
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Yep, that was a brilliant way of combining two songs into another that fit the episode perfectly.
It is hard to narrow it down to one, finding the best use of music on the show, but if someone argues this one, I will not disagree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bgi3z4M-Mo
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Yep, that was a brilliant way of combining two songs into another that fit the episode perfectly.
It is hard to narrow it down to one, finding the best use of music on the show, but if someone argues this one, I will not disagree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bgi3z4M-Mo
My fav. was this one because they came off of that fantastic season 1 and there was so much hype. I just like how told those little bits and pieces of catch-up with song and film.
The 0.44 sec. mark : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NngykN1Yw
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My fav. was this one because they came off of that fantastic season 1 and there was so much hype. I just like how told those little bits and pieces of catch-up with song and film.
The 0.44 sec. mark : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NngykN1Yw
Yep, that is a great one!
The end of Season 2 is awesome as well with the Rolling Stones' Thru and Thru playing over the montage to end the season.
Too many great ones to mention them all!!! :lol
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Yep, that was a brilliant way of combining two songs into another that fit the episode perfectly.
It is hard to narrow it down to one, finding the best use of music on the show, but if someone argues this one, I will not disagree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bgi3z4M-Mo
By far my favorite. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it above but this ending left me stunned.
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Take 45 minutes and watch the below, as 12 cast members of the Sopranos discuss the show 20 years after the pilot.
https://www.today.com/video/-sopranos-cast-reunites-on-20th-anniversary-see-full-interview-1423258179724
Just watching that makes me want to watch the whole series again.
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They've been showing the whole series on HBO the past few days and I've been popping in and out. I can watch any episode, I just love that show.
Now apparently in 2020, we're getting an HBO movie about Christopher's dad and exploring Tony's childhood.
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Take 45 minutes and watch the below, as 12 cast members of the Sopranos discuss the show 20 years after the pilot.
https://www.today.com/video/-sopranos-cast-reunites-on-20th-anniversary-see-full-interview-1423258179724
Just watching that makes me want to watch the whole series again.
Yeah, I went to the panel discussion they had Wednesday night and it was an absolute blast. You could tell that was a very close cast and crew, lots of good stories. There's a whole film festival going on to celebrate the 20th anniversary through Monday night. I saw a screening of David Chase's movie Not Fade Away, which Gandolfini had a main role in. Pretty good.
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Man, time's been running backward for Uncle Jun. Dude looks great. So does Pauly. Silvio, not so much.
In any case, I was expecting people to be discussing "that death scene."
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Silvio keeps getting...bigger. :lol I actually was taken aback by how old Hesh looked. Paulie still looked good, although his hair is finally going. Of the main and main supporting characters, Ade and Johnny Sack were the two glaring absences there, but hey, to get all of those 12 of those actors there for that was pretty impressive. You can tell how much they all thought of Gandolfini. :hat
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I've never seen the Soprano's. (runs and hides behind a wall)
Obviously I've heard of it and 'want' to see it....but it's 90 something episodes and I know how I get on a series. I'd have to seriously adjust my viewing habits if I were to tackle it.
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I've never seen the Soprano's. (runs and hides behind a wall)
Obviously I've heard of it and 'want' to see it....but it's 90 something episodes and I know how I get on a series. I'd have to seriously adjust my viewing habits if I were to tackle it.
There is no way I just read that post! Dude, you’ve seen everything...I thought...you’re my go to...You’re kidding, right? If, indeed, your serious, which I don’t believe as I didn’t follow this thread from beginning and just your post. One of the greatest shows ever written/acted/directed!! Well, if it is true then watching it as it unfolded when it was current was just BLISS for TV viewing. It inspired so much to come and so many different guess directors for the eps. Please stop current viewing and dive in...NOW!
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Gary, find the time to watch this. You'll thank us later :biggrin:
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I’m dead serious. It was on at a time when I didn’t have HBO and by the time I did it was so far along i just didn’t start it. My brothers watched it and I’ve heard all about it. I’ve thought about watching it but there are SO many episodes. Maybe I’ll give it a go after Game of Thrones ends??
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Good idea, its up there as one of the best shows ever IMO. At least check out the first season, if its not your thing then dont bother with the rest, but I think you'll really love it if you watch season 1.
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Gary, these guys are correct. You need to see this. Breaking Bad eventually surpassed The Sopranos by a hair, but they are 1a and 1b for me now. Gandolfini's portrayal as Tony Soprano alone is the stuff of legends.
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I like to rewatch my top shows and am normally making my way through some series or another by default so I watched the whole series again just last year (I originally watched it on DVD in the late 2000s, got the Blu Ray set a few years ago). Would still be tempting to try to start it again seeing some of this anniversary stuff though :lol
Starting an old TV series that's finished its run and has a lot of episodes is a daunting task. One good thing about The Sopranos from that perspective is that the first season is fairly "complete". It feels like it tells a full satisfying story, and while there's obviously more story to see it doesn't end on an obvious cliffhanger or spend a lot of energy setting up the next season. Also it still has a lot of characters but is a bit more tightly focused on Tony and his immediate relationships than later seasons. Worst comes to worst, I think that after finishing season 1 if you find you're not interested enough in the show to continue with the rest, it'd still have been a decent enough experience in itself to just watch a season, and it covers most of the ideas from The Sopranos that have made it into pop culture already.
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I would say that if you are not totally into the show after the 5th episode, College, it might not be for you. The first two are really good, and then we get a magnificent run of "Denial, Anger, Acceptance," "Meadowlands" and "College." :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I would say that if you are not totally into the show after the 5th episode, College, it might not be for you.
I may be one of the few exceptions to this. The first time I started watching the show, I was pretty 'meh' about it and gave up after the first season. I eventually decided to give it another go (from the start) and loved it. It's now in my top 2 or 3 shows ever.
I was a bit similar with The Wire actually - I wasn't sure what everyone was raving about after I'd seen the first 4 or 5 episodes, but I persevered and I probably prefer it to even The Sopranos.
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I've never seen it either other than catching some random episodes on TV when it aired. I think it was airing at a time when I didn't watch tv-shows like I do these days.
I was sucked into The Wire after a couple of episodes so I don't see why I shouldn't enjoy The Sopranos.
I might see it someday.
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I was very late to the party with The Sopranos, as well. I didn't watch it until August of last year, and overall, I would say it lived up to the hype, and the thing that struck me most is that even though it started 20 years ago, it doesn't feel the least bit dated.
Paulie was my favorite character by far, and I never could get on the "everybody loves Tony" bandwagon. I found myself rooting against him more often than not, and I was so glad when Bobby kicked his ass.
Another aspect I enjoyed was the women. The female mob boss in Italy that handed Furio over to Tony in their negotiations, holy shit. I would do things to her I wouldn't do to a farm animal.
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Anyone else catch the podcast series Michael Imeprioli (Christopher) and Steve Schirripa (Bobby) are doing called Talking Sopranos? Just started digging into it. Good stuff.
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I really need to watch this show. It’s one of my brothers favorite shows. I missed the boat when it originally aired and there’s something like 90 plus episodes....I know that once I start watching I’ll binge it so I’m scared of the time commitment I know I’ll invest.
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I really need to watch this show. It’s one of my brothers favorite shows. I missed the boat when it originally aired and there’s something like 90 plus episodes....I know that once I start watching I’ll binge it so I’m scared of the time commitment I know I’ll invest.
Only 86 episodes, actually. ;)
But yeah, it's definitely worth the time. You won't regret it.
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Anyone else catch the podcast series Michael Imeprioli (Christopher) and Steve Schirripa (Bobby) are doing called Talking Sopranos? Just started digging into it. Good stuff.
The start of their podcast coincided with the completion of my 2nd rewatch. I did listen a little but never kept up.
I really need to watch this show. It’s one of my brothers favorite shows. I missed the boat when it originally aired and there’s something like 90 plus episodes....I know that once I start watching I’ll binge it so I’m scared of the time commitment I know I’ll invest.
I didn't watch it live when it came and honestly on first watch I thought it was good not great, but on my 2nd watch I paid attention while watching with no distractions, it was amazing that way. It's in my top 5 shows of all time now and it's extremely well written. Mr. Robot takes a lot of inspiration from the series and when you watch the show you can easily see how several shows have tried to copy and borrow from The Sopranos. It was a trend setter and I didn't realize that on my first viewing. The acting is fantastic, James Gandolfini, Edie Falco and Lorraine Bracco among others are phenomenal in it. Actually I think all the actors are great in the entire series. It's not a typical mob show, it's like Mr. Robot where it's not a typical computer hacking show. I would highly recommend it.
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I think the thing about The Sopranos is how multi-faceted it is, without losing continuity. There are episodes that are straight comedy. There are episodes that are complete pathos. There are episodes that are brutal, both emotionally and physically. The characters are that way as well; they never fell into that "this is our quirky character; this is our gay character, this is our moral compass character....". Yeah, they had those, every show does, but they did it in a more subtle way, a way that more reflected real life, where people aren't one dimensional cardboard cutouts of demographic stereotypes.
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Paulie was my favorite character by far
Mine too, and the guy who played him is even more intriguing and in some ways 'menacing' in real life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxddINwarJk
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I'd never seen that before; that was a disturbing interview for a couple reasons. I'd love to see the raw tapes, though, because some of the cuts are jarring and seem to imply there's more there than what was said. I don't think he's faking, necessarily (simple Google search says he's not; he's done felony time in a maximum security prison) but he's also an actor, and there are questions that have better answers than not. I'm not sure I believe BOTH answers: "I didn't kill anyone", and "I wouldn't kill now because I don't need the money". I think those are oddly inconsistent answers (but I understand I have nothing to base that on).
In any event, he's lived a life, for certain.
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I can't remember where I read it, but Tony Sirico's time in prison is why Paulie always kept his hands in front of him when he was standing, never at his side or behind his back, because in prison, you always have to be ready to defend yourself, so it just became a natural part of his body language.
For me, Paulie was a character easy to like early on, but over time he got less and less likable. Though, the clip of him on the phone talking with Vito about how they were going to split up the nearly million dollar score as he was clipping coupons still kills me. :lol :lol
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Even though it's one of the most morally depraved scenes in the entire show (2nd only to Ralph beating Tracee the hoowah to death), my favourite Paulie scene is him and Chrissy arguing outside the restaurant before they kill the waiter who asked for a tip. That's the genius of The Sopranos, they can write a scene that is at once hilarious while also showing the sickening ethical bankruptcy of these people.
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Yes that dark comedy was so well written and in line with the characters it was a joy to watch.
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The comedy was always there. OMG, when Tony finds out that Ralph has, shall we say, unusual sexual tendencies and asks Sil and Patsie if he is a little weird about women, and Sil, in his classic tone, just fires out, "I don't know, Ton. I mean, uh, he beat one to death once just for uh...I forgot...why was it again?" :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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That to me was the beauty of the show. It was never "this is our comedy scene", "this is our violence scene"... these were characters that lived outside the lines and honestly probably couldn't find the lines even if they wanted to (that's always what I took from Tony's therapy; what is a more mainstream, conventional way of living in society than seeking out therapy? Did it help him in any MEANINGFUL way? I would argue it didn't, and in fact perhaps made some aspects worse).
For me, the two scenes that capture that are:
- when Christopher is helping (I think it's) Adriana's friend record some songs, and the guy doesn't want to continue recording and Christopher beats him with the guitar yelling "Hey Paul Fucking McCartney!", and
- this is a very subtle scene, but when Tony is eating dinner with Artie, and a kid in the place won't take his hat off while eating dinner. The kid mouths off at first, but Tony just stands there, threateningly, and the kid acquiesces. Not that there's "humor" here, though there is, but the idea of taking normal things, "today's values", and distorting them (Tony is indignantly talking to Artie about Meadow's soccer coach, who is leaving the team, even though he's actually banging one of the players) in a way that still seems to make a sort of sense. I'll cop to secretly wishing I had the nerve and the presence to do what Tony did.
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Quick note: Chris did not yell, 'hey Paul f'ing McCartney!" at that guy, but that is still an awesome scene. "Kinkos?!?!" :lol :lol :lol :lol And the look on Hesh's face at the end of the ep when he is listening to the finished song. "There's good, and there's not good, this is not good." :lol :lol
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Quick note: Chris did not yell, 'hey Paul f'ing McCartney!" at that guy, but that is still an awesome scene. "Kinkos?!?!" :lol :lol :lol :lol And the look on Hesh's face at the end of the ep when he is listening to the finished song. "There's good, and there's not good, this is not good." :lol :lol
Was it before, then? I have a distinct memory of him calling Richie that; but it might have been in the lead-up to it. I didn't watch that again before I wrote about it (I can't always see YouTube from work).
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Quick note: Chris did not yell, 'hey Paul f'ing McCartney!" at that guy, but that is still an awesome scene. "Kinkos?!?!" :lol :lol :lol :lol And the look on Hesh's face at the end of the ep when he is listening to the finished song. "There's good, and there's not good, this is not good." :lol :lol
Was it before, then? I have a distinct memory of him calling Richie that; but it might have been in the lead-up to it. I didn't watch that again before I wrote about it (I can't always see YouTube from work).
The only Beatles exchange is when the engineer (I think that is who that guy was) said that She Loves You was a great example of how you build the structure of a song. Start with the chorus and go from there. And Richie goes, "The Beatles, the Beatles, it's been 40 years, I'm fucking sick of it," and Chrissy, incredulous at that comment, turns to Ade and goes, "What is he, nuts?" There was no mention of Paul McCartney. I have seen this show way too much. :lol :lol
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Even though it's one of the most morally depraved scenes in the entire show (2nd only to Ralph beating Tracee the hoowah to death), my favourite Paulie scene is him and Chrissy arguing outside the restaurant before they kill the waiter who asked for a tip. That's the genius of The Sopranos, they can write a scene that is at once hilarious while also showing the sickening ethical bankruptcy of these people.
It was great because they were ready to kill each other, Paulie had been fucking with him all night long, and it was the inadvertently killing a guy that they bonded over. It was like they were kids again. Horrible, terrible kids. Also, despite being a second away from beating him up, when the waiter called Chris an asshole Paulie switched loyalties on a dime. They might have hated each other right then, but they were still on the same team.
I still think the funniest scene may well be in Adriana hurled all over that beautiful redwood table (and the FBI). Tony gleefully chasing the guy with his car in front of the HMO in the premier is certainly a contender, as well. And certainly the intervention, especially because it was Silvio that ran over to kick his ass.
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Christopher and Paulie in the woods after screwing up a hit. The snow, shoes (lack of), cell phone problems, mayo(?) packets.... Keystone Kops, er, Kriminals..at their best. :D
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The classic Pine Barrens episode, one of the best episodes of the series.
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Too many funny moments to think of them all off the top of my head.
The intervention is certainly up there. The look on Paulie's face when Ade says Chris can no longer function as a man due to the drugs is one of the best things ever.
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Quick note: Chris did not yell, 'hey Paul f'ing McCartney!" at that guy, but that is still an awesome scene. "Kinkos?!?!" :lol :lol :lol :lol And the look on Hesh's face at the end of the ep when he is listening to the finished song. "There's good, and there's not good, this is not good." :lol :lol
Was it before, then? I have a distinct memory of him calling Richie that; but it might have been in the lead-up to it. I didn't watch that again before I wrote about it (I can't always see YouTube from work).
The only Beatles exchange is when the engineer (I think that is who that guy was) said that She Loves You was a great example of how you build the structure of a song. Start with the chorus and go from there. And Richie goes, "The Beatles, the Beatles, it's been 40 years, I'm fucking sick of it," and Chrissy, incredulous at that comment, turns to Ade and goes, "What is he, nuts?" There was no mention of Paul McCartney. I have seen this show way too much. :lol :lol
I got to watch it again; I've told that story 20 times and it's shocking to find out I'm wrong. :) :)
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Christopher and Paulie in the woods after screwing up a hit. The snow, shoes (lack of), cell phone problems, mayo(?) packets.... Keystone Kops, er, Kriminals..at their best. :D
Probably the funniest line of the whole series. Paulie mistakenly calls him a Czechoslovakian interior decorator, and Chris thinks about it for a second, and replies "his apartment looked like shit." I honestly didn't think too highly of the episode, but that was priceless.
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And certainly the intervention, especially because it was Silvio that ran over to kick his ass.
Him pushing the mediator guy out of his chair to get to Chris was such a great touch. It's funny details like that - which you might not catch on first watch - that make the show great.
Another hilarious Paulie moment is when he feels like he's been stabbed in the heart (complete with heart-stabbing gesture) when he finds out Vito's been catchin', not pitchin'. "I'm sorry I yelled, T. It's just...how much more betrayal can I take??" Dude talks like his own mother has shopped him to the Feds, instead of a fella blowng a guy in the privacy of his own..well ok, fair enough, in a wide open parking lot in broad daylight, but still; Paulie's reaction is hysterical.
That whole Vito storyline, along with the "Uncle June likes going down on women" story, were 2 of the more interesting insights into that whole bizarre 'macho' culture and their twisted idea of masculinity. They have such a rigid and out-dated understanding of what it means to be a 'man', yet they're also a bunch of mommy's boys who venerate their 'mudders' and cry for them whenever they get sent down.
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The classic Pine Barrens episode, one of the best episodes of the series.
Tony: "He's with the Russian interior ministry"
Paulie: "He's an interior decorator...."
Christopher: "....well his house looked like shit...."
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And certainly the intervention, especially because it was Silvio that ran over to kick his ass.
Him pushing the mediator guy out of his chair to get to Chris was such a great touch. It's funny details like that - which you might not catch on first watch - that make the show great.
Another hilarious Paulie moment is when he feels like he's been stabbed in the heart (complete with heart-stabbing gesture) when he finds out Vito's been catchin', not pitchin'. "I'm sorry I yelled, T. It's just...how much more betrayal can I take??" Dude talks like his own mother has shopped him to the Feds, instead of a fella blowng a guy in the privacy of his own..well ok, fair enough, in a wide open parking lot in broad daylight, but still; Paulie's reaction is hysterical.
That whole Vito storyline, along with the "Uncle June likes going down on women" story, were 2 of the more interesting insights into that whole bizarre 'macho' culture and their twisted idea of masculinity. They have such a rigid and out-dated understanding of what it means to be a 'man', yet they're also a bunch of mommy's boys who venerate their 'mudders' and cry for them whenever they get sent down.
That's exactly why I think I was blown away on the rewatch, at first viewing you're just taking everything in and not sure what the show is or where the story is. But watching it again makes you really take notice of everything. I think this show will be the next show to rewatch. Either that or Breaking Bad, haven't seen that in ages.
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Another interesting tidbit I learned from listening to the audio commentary on the bluray disc by David Chase is that a lot of the Tony and his mother interactions are based on David's own interactions with his mother. She's loosely based on David's mother but some of the back and forth they have is derived from real life.
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The awesomeness of Nancy Marchand as Livia can never be overstated. She was a big reason why Season 1 was so amazing. She managed to steal practically every scene she was in, except maybe the ones with Gandolfini, and those with just those two was like watching two masters at work bouncing off one another. Amazing stuff.
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Well....just rattled off the first five episodes. Thankfully I know there’s like a gazillion more to go or I’d have tried to watch them all tonight. Really enjoying it. I’m probably going to try and not go crazy like I did with Breaking Bad which I binged in 13 days... just gonna do a couple episodes a couple days a week.
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Nice!
Five episodes, so the last one you saw was College?
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so the last one you saw was College?
Yep. Tony and Meadow were jaunting around to different schools and then he recognized the 'rat' and ended up brutally strangling the guy. I was waiting for Tony to have some sort of panic attack or something but he powered through it.
Like I said, there are just so many episodes that I'm really going to have to make sure not to get carried away with it and be more focused on 2-3 episodes at a time. I say that and I know full well that one of these nights I'm gonna knock like 7 or 8 out :lol
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Haha nice, I have a soft spot for the 1st season. The mistake I made the first time watching it was going too fast through them and not really appreciate all the nuances in each episode.
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so the last one you saw was College?
Yep. Tony and Meadow were jaunting around to different schools and then he recognized the 'rat' and ended up brutally strangling the guy. I was waiting for Tony to have some sort of panic attack or something but he powered through it.
Like I said, there are just so many episodes that I'm really going to have to make sure not to get carried away with it and be more focused on 2-3 episodes at a time. I say that and I know full well that one of these nights I'm gonna knock like 7 or 8 out :lol
Yep, it's inevitable.
College was such a landmark episode because I believe it was the first show in TV history where the lead character of a drama killed someone in cold blood. I know HBO didn't want it to happen, as they feared it would make Tony unlikable, but David Chase stuck to his guns and won out. It was the right decision. It sure helps that Gandolfini's amazing acting and natural on screen charisma made Tony so likable (thanks to his ability to go from angry killer to flashing that boyish grin in the blink of an eye, and to do it so believably). In the hands of a lesser actor, that decision could have backfired.
Haha nice, I have a soft spot for the 1st season. The mistake I made the first time watching it was going too fast through them and not really appreciate all the nuances in each episode.
The first season is still one of my three favorites (along with 2 and 5). Every single episode is a major winner.
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I found myself getting bummed out knowing that Gandolfini is no longer with us. It's just weird. I know we watch/see/remember people everyday who have passed away....but it was just weird to think about for a bit.
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I found myself getting bummed out knowing that Gandolfini is no longer with us. It's just weird. I know we watch/see/remember people everyday who have passed away....but it was just weird to think about for a bit.
I'm with you on that.
I'm thinking I'm going to revisit this, even if I have to watch it myself.
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I found myself getting bummed out knowing that Gandolfini is no longer with us. It's just weird. I know we watch/see/remember people everyday who have passed away....but it was just weird to think about for a bit.
That's one of the few celebrity deaths that has hit me really hard. I see him on screen in anything and my heart just sinks. Sopranos fans have such a connection to seeing him as Tony Soprano and he was amazing at making you fall in love with such a despicable guy.
I loved that College episode!
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Yeah, I rarely get phased by celebrity deaths outside of the initial "that's a bummer" reaction and whatnot, but Gandolfini was one that kind of stung, and I think that does to speak with how strong of a connection viewers of the show had with him and the character he played.
One thing about the College episode that always makes me chuckle (in an "OMG, that's so awful" kinda way) is at the beginning when Tony and Meadow are at the gas station, he calls his girlfriend Irena first, and then calls his wife Carmela, who was as sick as a dog. :eek :eek
Still waiting for that telethon for fuck-face-itis for guys like Mikey Palmice who have suffered from it for far too long. :P
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Finished S1 last night. Tony’s mom is one crafty, conniving woman. Junior has/had no idea he’s caught in the middle of those two and being played by both of them.
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One of things I noticed on my rewatch was how flat out amazing all the side characters were and the acting. They are given tiny bits at times but really make their presences known. Though Uncle Junior and Tony's mom are not the main characters they are close and so well acted and written.
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One of things I noticed on my rewatch was how flat out amazing all the side characters were and the acting. They are given tiny bits at times but really make their presences known. Though Uncle Junior and Tony's mom are not the main characters they are close and so well acted and written.
And that runs through the entire series. People like Annabella Sciorra, Joe Pantoliano, Robert Loggia, Steve Buscemi all bring their A-game in roles that aren't the centerpiece of the show (necessarily).
It's hard to imagine now, but at the time of the first episode, only Lorraine Bracco was a full-on star, and only Nancy Marchand and Dominic Chianese were of any name as actors.
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Nancy Marchand (Livia) and Dominic Chianese (Uncle Junior) both did incredible jobs. If I had to list what actors did the best job on the show, and many were great, the convo starts with Gandolfini and Edie Falco, and then Marchand and Chianese would be next.
The one exchange at dinner still kills me, when Tony was having a bad day and Livia said something snotty.
Tony: "Ya know, I don't really need that right now."
Livia: "Aren't we Mr. Sensitive?"
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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One of things I noticed on my rewatch was how flat out amazing all the side characters were and the acting. They are given tiny bits at times but really make their presences known. Though Uncle Junior and Tony's mom are not the main characters they are close and so well acted and written.
And that runs through the entire series. People like Annabella Sciorra, Joe Pantoliano, Robert Loggia, Steve Buscemi all bring their A-game in roles that aren't the centerpiece of the show (necessarily).
It's hard to imagine now, but at the time of the first episode, only Lorraine Bracco was a full-on star, and only Nancy Marchand and Dominic Chianese were of any name as actors.
For sure. Aida Turturro (Janice), who comes in at the start of Season 2, did an incredible job as well.
I don't think we can take Imperioli (Christopher) for granted either. He was also terrific.
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Flowing along nicely with this show....just finished S3 episode 3.....where Dr. Melfi was raped. There's been SO many cool instances thus far. It's a lot to absorb but I can certainly see why this show is so hyped. Really well done....
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I refuse to watch that scene for a second time (the Melfi rape scene). Too disturbing.
Richie was an awesome character in S2. The great thing about him was that you couldn't wait for someone, anyone, to whack him, but at the same time you kinda wanted to see more of him.
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I refuse to watch that scene for a second time (the Melfi rape scene). Too disturbing.
Richie was an awesome character in S2. The great thing about him was that you couldn't wait for someone, anyone, to whack him, but at the same time you kinda wanted to see more of him.
Agreed about the Rape scene. I kept saying to myself "surley Tony is going to come through the door and kill this SOB?".......but it just never happened!!! It was brutal.
And Richie.....YES!!! Exactly that. I kept texting my brother and asking "how much more disrespect is Tony going to take?" It was driving me crazy how Richie was just an utter Dick but kept getting away with it.
I loved the finale scene when Tony said they buried him.....then Janice said 'really?' and Tony was like "Yeah, on a hilltop, over looking a river....with pine cones" :lol
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Agreed about the Rape scene. I kept saying to myself "surley Tony is going to come through the door and kill this SOB?".......but it just never happened!!! It was brutal.
And Richie.....YES!!! Exactly that. I kept texting my brother and asking "how much more disrespect is Tony going to take?" It was driving me crazy how Richie was just an utter Dick but kept getting away with it.
I loved the finale scene when Tony said they buried him.....then Janice said 'really?' and Tony was like "Yeah, on a hilltop, over looking a river....with pine cones" :lol
I love how every time Tony had to reprimand Richie, which was often, it was like watching an adult talking to a child given their differences in height, yet Richie always stood his ground and stared Tony down with "those Manson lamps" (one of my favorite Tony quotes ever). Like Bobby said, he was fearless for a guy his size.
Jumping back to early in 3, I think one of the best endings to any Sopranos ep is the one when Livia died. Tony fights back tears watching the old Cagney film where he was a total screw-up, yet his mother's love for him was unconditional, which was a stark contrast to Tony who could never please his mother no matter what he did. It's that kind of next level writing and acting that made the show so awesome.
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I refuse to watch that scene for a second time (the Melfi rape scene). Too disturbing.
Richie was an awesome character in S2. The great thing about him was that you couldn't wait for someone, anyone, to whack him, but at the same time you kinda wanted to see more of him.
Agreed about the Rape scene. I kept saying to myself "surley Tony is going to come through the door and kill this SOB?".......but it just never happened!!! It was brutal.
And Richie.....YES!!! Exactly that. I kept texting my brother and asking "how much more disrespect is Tony going to take?" It was driving me crazy how Richie was just an utter Dick but kept getting away with it.
I loved the finale scene when Tony said they buried him.....then Janice said 'really?' and Tony was like "Yeah, on a hilltop, over looking a river....with pine cones" :lol
"It's gonna be a while before I eat anything from Satriale's" :lol
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Done. 86 episodes in 25 days.
I completely understand the praise the show received in it's original run. So well written, the characters were compelling and my gosh.....James Gandolphini AND Edi Falco were amazing. Edi Falco to me was every bit the reason the show was incredible as James Gandolphini was. The scene where she loses it on Tony after the Russian X-GF calls might be one of the most well acted and executed scenes I've ever watched. It was SO realistic and well acted.
I texted with Kev a bit as I was watching it and there were just so many great scenes.....great moments, it's tough to just single them out. And the detail they put into the show makes it more realistic. The mannerisms, if they're in a kitchen all the appliances are operating 'for real'......the moments characters vomit or whatever....it all was realistic. It wasn't 'hollywooded' up.
I read that with the ambiguous ending that right before Gandolphini died he was petitioning behind the scenes for a Soprano's movie....and that there was some movement on it as the ending was intentional to leave that opportunity. It'd have been neat to see what direction they'd have taken the story had Tony not been killed.
I took it as he was simply shot in the back of the head and that was that. Such a weird thing and a testament to the charisma and ability of James Gandolphini to essentially make you root and pull for a complete POS person. I know they showed glimpses of Tony being compassionate and 'caring'....but the dude was a murdering, philandering sociopath, and you find yourself pulling for the guy.
Anyway.....very glad to have gotten this series in the books. Now I can join the conversations when they take place.
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Awesome! There is a prequel movie already shot and ready for release and Tony is being played by Gandolfini's son. I'm very curious how that movie does and all I really want is to have the charm of the show in it.
The ending will be argued for ages and I have no idea what the consensus is on what people think happened. I'd like to think most people believe Tony was gone due to the presence of the strange man going to the bathroom while glancing at Tony's table.
In any case, the show is truly amazing and due for a rewatch on my side as well.
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Done. 86 episodes in 25 days.
I took it as he was simply shot in the back of the head and that was that.
That is generally the universally accepted answer to what happened. David Chase had alluded to a conversation that Tony and Bobby had while fishing in the first episode of season 6, where Bobby is musing about what it's like to get whacked. "You probably don't hear it when it happens."
There is a youtube video out where someone breaks down the filming of that final scene in the diner, where the camera keeps cutting to and from Tony's point of view of the door as people walk in. When it cuts to black, that would have been where the scene switches to Tony's point of view of Meadow walking into the diner. So Tony's point of view is....blackness.
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Awesome! There is a prequel movie already shot and ready for release and Tony is being played by Gandolfini's son. I'm very curious how that movie does and all I really want is to have the charm of the show in it.
The ending will be argued for ages and I have no idea what the consensus is on what people think happened. I'd like to think most people believe Tony was gone due to the presence of the strange man going to the bathroom while glancing at Tony's table.
In any case, the show is truly amazing and due for a rewatch on my side as well.
I've got to watch it all again, but I recall being sort of interested in the idea that nothing happened of consequence, but that Tony's existence went on like it was, living on the edge of that fear, living on the edge of that commitment to his wife, living on the edge of that commitment to his family, all of them subject to whatever consequences might arise from Tony's actions and behaviors.
I think a subtext of that show is that Tony TRIED to change, but never really could get over the hump. People are who people are. Vito Spattafore could be a part of the family, he could have a wife and kids, and yet, he couldn't escape his real nature. Tony could be a part of his marriage, his family, and yet, he couldn't stay faithful to either. I think that scene was meant to create the tension of that sword of Damocles that was always hanging over their heads, but you never knew when or if it would fall. I don't think ANYTHING happens in that diner. But the threat is always there.
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Done. 86 episodes in 25 days.
I took it as he was simply shot in the back of the head and that was that.
That is generally the universally accepted answer to what happened. David Chase had alluded to a conversation that Tony and Bobby had while fishing in the first episode of season 6, where Bobby is musing about what it's like to get whacked. "You probably don't hear it when it happens."
There is a youtube video out where someone breaks down the filming of that final scene in the diner, where the camera keeps cutting to and from Tony's point of view of the door as people walk in. When it cuts to black, that would have been where the scene switches to Tony's point of view of Meadow walking into the diner. So Tony's point of view is....blackness.
This is exactly how I took it. That conversation and the way the scene was shot. Every time the door bell chimed he looked up and 'saw' someone.....when it chimed for Meadow it went black. I like and understand the ambiguity but at the same time....at least for me.....it seemed pretty clear he was clipped. Even though he had settled things with New York the fact he took out Phil....the head of a New York Family.....I'm sure it was payback for that.
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So, did Dr. Melfi lash out at Tony in their last session because she realized her colleagues were right and that he was a total sociopath who used her for 7 years as a way to sharpen his skills.....or did she lash out because she was embarrassed that her colleagues made light of her treating him and didn't really respect it?
For as good as the show is and as an incredible character that Tony Soprano is/was......I fall on the side that she realized he was truly a sociopath and that she'd fallen for his rouse.
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Good to see you finished it, Gary. :tup :tup
So many theories as to who killed Tony, but I think Patsy giving NY the heads up and Butch having Tony whacked is the most plausible scenario. There is no way NY on their own or Paulie for example could have known that Tony would be at Holsten's. Patsy could have easily heard his son say that Meadow was meeting her family for dinner at Holsten's after she went to the doctor and made a quick call. Remember that Patsy always hated Tony for having his brother whacked, and there was that uneasy exchange between the two at the house in the last episode (Tony gets his drink and hands it to him without even looking at him, and Patsy gives him that "Man, I hate this asshole" look).
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Anyone seen Many Saints yet?
I’m not sure what to think. I enjoyed it from a nostalgia perspective but I can’t say the story was all that compelling or that it even made sense. Some of the actors seemed off (wtf was up with mini Silvio??) and the ones from the show everyone wanted to see more of seemed underutilized (Junior, Johnny Boy, and Tony mainly).
Plus, the volume of the music seemed to contrast heavily with the volume of the dialogue so I was constantly turning the volume up and down which is a huge pain in the ass since there’s music after every single scene.
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I loved the movie, though I agree that the music was too loud. I thought every single actor nailed it - little mannerisms or ways of speaking that called back to the original performance.
I think the people who don't like it are focused on the fact that Tony isn't the main character, and we see very little of our favorites - Paulie, Silvio, Big Pussy. There wasn't this clear-cut narrative explaining exactly how Tony gets into the family business. I didn't need that to enjoy the movie.
In the series, Tony has this awesome respect for Dickie Moltisanti and always talks him up as such a perfect individual. So Dickie is the main character, and it shows that while everyone else thinks Dickie has it all put together, in reality, Dickie is completely falling apart and losing it, though he was there for Tony when his father wasn't. So that's what Tony remembers about Dickie, and his death spurred him to follow him into the business.
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I loved the movie, though I agree that the music was too loud. I thought every single actor nailed it - little mannerisms or ways of speaking that called back to the original performance.
I think the people who don't like it are focused on the fact that Tony isn't the main character, and we see very little of our favorites - Paulie, Silvio, Big Pussy. There wasn't this clear-cut narrative explaining exactly how Tony gets into the family business. I didn't need that to enjoy the movie.
In the series, Tony has this awesome respect for Dickie Moltisanti and always talks him up as such a perfect individual. So Dickie is the main character, and it shows that while everyone else thinks Dickie has it all put together, in reality, Dickie is completely falling apart and losing it, though he was there for Tony when his father wasn't. So that's what Tony remembers about Dickie, and his death spurred him to follow him into the business.
I think my main issue is that Tony wasn't really necessary to the story, but added in obviously to tie it closer to the show. The whole school scene where they're talking about his IQ and Livia and him talking in the kitchen with the hamburger just seemed to exist purely to reference things mentioned in the show but didn't affect the movie plotline in any way. Also, I thought Tony and Silvio were boyhood friends, yet in the movie Tony seems way younger. I did enjoy it for what it was and am always down for Sopranos-related stuff (though Steven Schirrippa on Talking Sopranos is brutal) but it just felt undercooked to me.
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I always got the impression that Paulie and Sil were closer in age, with Tony being a bit younger than both (remember that Paulie was buddies with Tony's dad).
I still need to watch the film, but I can't say I am excited about it. There are negative reviews everywhere, and literally every single person I know who loved the show and has watched the film thus far has told me the film was a waste of time. Ugh.
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Tony Sirico, who played Paulie, died. He was 79.
Interesting life this guy had if you read up on it. He was definitely awesome on The Sopranos.
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He had some of the best lines in the show. RIP Paulie.
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The scene where he and Moltisanti were fixing to throw down, and then bonded over whacking that frog waiter was one of my favorite scenes in the show.
Also, "did you sniff that girl's panties?" :lol
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"Ton, I ain't apologizing!" :lol :lol
Hard to top his one-liner at the Bing when he say Bobby and Vito talking: "It's like an ad for weight loss: before...and way before." :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Does anyone remember the episode where Paulie and Christopher chased Ivan/Boris in the forest? It is still a question without an answer for me: what happened with the member of the Russian Mafia? :D
I started to watch "The Sopranos" two weeks ago and I watched that episode with subs using tvsboy.com (https://tvsboy.com) website. Now I have questions. Will there be a continuation of that story in the future seasons?
I'm pretty sure he escaped back to Russia where he created a company that employs hundreds, if not thousands of people to spam social media platforms with propaganda and marketing. That's just speculation, though.
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"Ton, I ain't apologizing!" :lol :lol
Hard to top his one-liner at the Bing when he say Bobby and Vito talking: "It's like an ad for weight loss: before...and way before." :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Spambot aside, that was one of Paulie's very best scenes. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. The guy was an interior decorator.
His house looked like shit. :lol