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Title: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on January 06, 2011, 09:55:07 AM
I need more people to talk Survivor with. Any fans around here?
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 06, 2011, 10:21:22 AM
YES!!!!!!!!!!  I love Survivor.  Have been watching it for about 5 years now.  I have two words:  NaOnka sucks.

EDIT:  Additionally, I'm a fan of Big Brother and Amazing Race.
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: setrataeso on January 06, 2011, 10:23:23 AM
NaOnka sucks.

Tell me something I don't know.
Fabio was the man.
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 06, 2011, 10:27:08 AM
She was one of the most detestable human beings I've ever had the displeasure of being able to see on TV.  Of the ones that were left, I think Fabio deserved to win, but I don't know.  I'd still have preferred to see someone like Marty, though he was irritating, win it.

So next season is Redemption Island as indicated at the end of this last run, but there's another secret they apparently didn't want to give up at that particular time.

Spoiler:
All Stars:  Russell vs. Rob
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: TempusVox on January 06, 2011, 11:47:05 AM
Eye of the Tiger was a great song.


EDIT.....sorry. Wrong Survivor.  :-[
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: KevShmev on January 06, 2011, 11:49:23 AM
I didn't see this past season, but have seen all of the others except the first season.  So basically, I have seem them all except the first and last ones.  Not sure I'll get back into it this spring, but we'll see.  Seeing the strong outvoted by the majority weak every season, as well as crybaby juries handing the money to undeserving winners because they are bitter, has gotten really old.
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 06, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
crybaby juries handing the money to undeserving winners because they are bitter, has gotten really old.

OMG is this ever the case.  The competent, GOOD game players are getting shafted early on, because they're a threat.  It leaves a bunch of numbskulls who get there and try to win on the basis of who they pissed off the least.

Russell may have been irritating on the Samoa season, but I think the jury giving the win to Natalie over him was ridiculously awful.
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: carl320 on January 06, 2011, 12:39:55 PM
Eye of the Tiger was a great song.


EDIT.....sorry. Wrong Survivor.  :-[

That's the Survivor that I thought was being discussed.  High on You is another good song  :P
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: Global Laziness on January 06, 2011, 12:48:41 PM
Spoiler:
All Stars:  Russell vs. Rob

Can't tell if you're joking or not haha.
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 06, 2011, 12:59:35 PM
Not joking, though the All-Stars part was incorrect.  I was thinking of Amazing Race, whose next season will be All-Stars.  The other part is correct, as far as I've heard:

Link (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_redemption_island/2010_Dec_19_twist_confirmed#)
Title: Re: Any Survivor fans on DTF?
Post by: setrataeso on January 06, 2011, 05:45:13 PM
crybaby juries handing the money to undeserving winners because they are bitter, has gotten really old.

OMG is this ever the case.  The competent, GOOD game players are getting shafted early on, because they're a threat.  It leaves a bunch of numbskulls who get there and try to win on the basis of who they pissed off the least.

Russell may have been irritating on the Samoa season, but I think the jury giving the win to Natalie over him was ridiculously awful.

I usually subscribe to the notion that whoever won that season deserved it, but Samoa ended the wrong way.
I don't like Russell, but he played a great game in Samoa. People who believe Natalie deserved it over him are delusional.

However, I think the bitter jury has always been around, it's more profound now. Part of the challenge of survivor is to vote people out, and yet still get them to vote for you. That takes skill. If they hate you, then you didn't play a perfect game.
In fact, Nicaragua was not a very bitter jury at all (aside from the very bitter Gollum Jane, and Dan who just wanted to shit all over Chase and Sash).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on January 07, 2011, 05:55:27 AM
I have missed a handful of episodes only because of holidays or illness over the years.

I was also in a local version of the show where we had to live at the National Fair, for 10 days. Our challenges involved rides, trivia, carnival games and of course dealing with dirty "Carnies".  A word to the wise...."Carnies" are pretty much drunk or high 100% of the time they are working...and it's better that way. Believe me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on January 10, 2011, 09:28:04 AM
New cast revealed:
https://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 10, 2011, 09:39:51 AM
My wife and I enjoy Survivor.  We are looking forward to Redemption Island.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 10, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
Hahaha.  Dragging it out, I see.  Two former castaways listed on CBS' site, but they still won't come right out and say who yet, though the speculation has been rampant for some time now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 24, 2011, 06:32:49 AM
CBS has now officially announced the two returning castaways:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6NRHvuUwbA
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: zerogravityfat on January 24, 2011, 08:16:46 AM
it's baffling to me that this shit is still on tv.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 24, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
It's baffling to me that NASCAR (Non Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks), wrestling, UFC, football, and countless other things I could name are still on TV, but amazingly, they are.  I cannot stand any of those things.  Football I only slightly tolerate because Mrs. Cozmo does and when forced, I root for teams of people I know, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if football never again fucked with the schedules of other TV shows.

So yeah, it's still on because, despite being "reality TV" it is fairly entertaining.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on January 24, 2011, 11:04:18 AM
What's wrong with football and UFC?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: juice on January 24, 2011, 12:30:44 PM
I watched it for the first 3 or 4 seasons and I've stopped since.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 24, 2011, 12:35:23 PM
What's wrong with football and UFC?

Nothing's wrong with them.  I just don't like them.  Doesn't mean that they don't have value, because there are people that enjoy them.  Just like Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on January 24, 2011, 06:03:27 PM
it's baffling to me that this shit is still on tv.

It's baffling to me that you would come into this thread solely to post this.

Also, having Russell in 3 of the last 4 seasons is not something I'm too thrilled about.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 25, 2011, 09:37:12 AM
Me either.  It's a little too much.  Plus, by this point, anyone who is participating in Survivor (if they have paid any attention to Survivor previously) will know Russell and will be (if they have ANY brains) chomping at the bit to show him the door immediately.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on January 25, 2011, 03:02:38 PM
Me either.  It's a little too much.  Plus, by this point, anyone who is participating in Survivor (if they have paid any attention to Survivor previously) will know Russell and will be (if they have ANY brains) chomping at the bit to show him the door immediately.

I agree. However, there may be one or two players who will want to keep Russell around, considering he's such a jury goat.

I feel like Boston Rob will not get the same treatment. Pre-merge, he is very much a good leader and a strong team player. In HvV, he had a great alliance going that got fucked up by Tyson, but he dominated the challenges and the Heroes stood no chance while he was in the game. After Rob went out, the Villains were a sinking ship.
Because of that, I feel like people are going to want to keep Rob around, considering he'll be a real asset in the challenges.

Of course, Redemption Island could be a huge factor in keeping someone around longer, so who knows.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 25, 2011, 07:12:27 PM
I'm really looking forward to see how all this plays out.  I think you're right Rob is likely to stick around a lot longer than Russell.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 14, 2011, 08:33:48 AM
Survivor is BACK this Wednesday.  Booyah.  Excited.  Also, Amazing Race is back this coming Sunday.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 15, 2011, 08:58:55 AM
Can't wait. This cast looks much better than Nicaragua.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on February 15, 2011, 09:33:05 AM
there is some kind of rule that rob and russell can't be voted off for a certain amout of time too?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 15, 2011, 09:39:32 AM
Not that I've heard.  They're as fair game as anyone else, as far as I know.  Anyone that knows anything will likely try to get Russell out soon.  Although, he CAN be fairly persuasive and convincing.  It'll be interesting to see how long he stays.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on February 15, 2011, 10:13:07 AM
I'll try and find my source Coz.
Pretty sure there's a rule in place about them being team captains or something.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 15, 2011, 10:14:28 AM
The team captains thing sounds familiar to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 15, 2011, 02:27:58 PM
The team captains thing sounds familiar to me.

The first episode is titled "You're Looking at the New Leader of You Tribe". Sounds like the kind of thing Jeff would say, when the Rob+Russell twist is revealed to the other castaways.
Also, I thought I heard something about Rob and Russell being immune until the merge, but I'm pretty sure it was made up. Jeff said that it's quite possible that Russell will get voted out first, and that he needs to find a way around that in order to cement his legacy as "the greatest of all time".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 16, 2011, 09:04:05 PM
HO-LEE-SHIT!  That was one of the most EPIC Tribal Councils I have ever seen.  Fan-fucking-tastic.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on February 16, 2011, 09:25:20 PM
HO-LEE-SHIT!  That was one of the most EPIC Tribal Councils I have ever seen.  Fan-fucking-tastic.

I KNOW!

I laughed so much. Seriously, amazing. If he was really a secret agent he would know how to keep his big mouth shut  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on February 16, 2011, 11:40:42 PM
Yeah seriously, what an idiot. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on February 17, 2011, 05:00:26 AM
HO-LEE-SHIT!  That was one of the most EPIC Tribal Councils I have ever seen.  Fan-fucking-tastic.

I KNOW!

I laughed so much. Seriously, amazing. If he was really a secret agent he would know how to keep his big mouth shut  :lol

If that guy was EVER a secret agent.....whichever agency he belonged to is already plotting his grizzly demise when he returns. It's also a glaring indication of how bad american intel is. I don't say this to make fun of actual people in this condition but I really believe he's mentally challenged.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 17, 2011, 06:11:25 AM
I'm not sure.  I get the feeling that when Francesca said Rob wasn't going home, all Phillip knew was what they'd told him:  vote Rob out.  Now unless they told him off camera that their plans had changed, he was still on the "vote Rob" plan.  Francesca says this and he's thinking "Wait a minute, they're trying to dick me over already?"  So my take is that if he thought he was being double crossed, he'd take both of them down with him.  That was a colossal towering inferno of fail of a Tribal Council.  I fucking love it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on February 17, 2011, 06:41:40 AM
I don't recal Fran saying anything about not voting Rob BEFORE he ratted them out about having the idol.

He just launched into it....."they have the idol....they have the idol".

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 17, 2011, 06:46:44 AM
No, she said about Rob staying and that's what started EVERYTHING - something along the lines of everybody thinking Rob would be going home, but that he wouldn't be.  Phillip noticed this and said "Wait one minute, I have an issue with this - the two of them told me to vote Rob out."  The two of them went on to deny they ever did such a thing (when they absolutely DID tell Phillip to vote Rob out), then he pulled out the "she has an idol" card.  Francesca screwed the pooch on that one and only has herself to blame for going home.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 17, 2011, 10:01:05 AM
Kristina really failed on that first episode. I really thought she was going to be a great player having found an idol that quickly, but she was too aggressive too soon. She could still end up being a strong player, but she wanted to make a big move too soon.
Fransisqua ended up paying the price...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 17, 2011, 10:07:34 AM
I was positive Kristina was going home, having not played the idol.  Had she gone home, it would've been one of the all time dumbest moves ever. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 17, 2011, 10:17:59 PM
I was positive Kristina was going home, having not played the idol.  Had she gone home, it would've been one of the all time dumbest moves ever. 

Her move was not overly dumb per say...
It was a huge waste, and a terrible usage of the idol to throw it away on getting one player out, when there are going to be so many more crucial moments down the line when the idol will be needed. Boston Rob had the right idea; if she plays it, she won't be sticking around much longer.
The dumb move was on Philip's part. I know he was trying to gather favour with Rob, and be a stand up guy. But, he is so easily going to be one of the next ones on the chopping block if Ometepe goes to more tribal councils.
Also, as much as Kristina and Franchiskwai shouldn't have trusted Philip, they did sort of need him to allow their plans to come into fruition. Even if the plan was pretty half-baked...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on February 18, 2011, 01:42:37 AM
Anybody else notice during interviews when they show Phillip's job title they add a question mark to the end of it?

PHILLIP   -   Former Federal Agent?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 18, 2011, 04:37:29 AM
:lol I hadn't noticed that.  I'll have to look out for it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on February 18, 2011, 07:53:58 AM
I was positive Kristina was going home, having not played the idol.  Had she gone home, it would've been one of the all time dumbest moves ever. 

Her move was not overly dumb per say...
It was a huge waste, and a terrible usage of the idol to throw it away on getting one player out, when there are going to be so many more crucial moments down the line when the idol will be needed. Boston Rob had the right idea; if she plays it, she won't be sticking around much longer.
The dumb move was on Philip's part. I know he was trying to gather favour with Rob, and be a stand up guy. But, he is so easily going to be one of the next ones on the chopping block if Ometepe goes to more tribal councils.
Also, as much as Kristina and Franchiskwai shouldn't have trusted Philip, they did sort of need him to allow their plans to come into fruition. Even if the plan was pretty half-baked...

They didn't really have a plan at all. Unless the Rob group voted entirely for Kristina (which I don't think Rob would do seeing as he SAID "she has the idol"), then it would have been a complete waste. They didn't have numbers, they didn't have subtlety, and they didn't have solid trust and Franceskwa paid for it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 18, 2011, 10:50:50 AM
Anybody else notice during interviews when they show Phillip's job title they add a question mark to the end of it?

PHILLIP   -   Former Federal Agent?

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_rhPUkLTks2s/TV6xSRWaLpI/AAAAAAAABQc/3-mspAtn3kA/Phillip.jpg)

I love it.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 18, 2011, 02:02:28 PM
The thing is, Philip reminds me so much of Coach, in the way that he is so delusional and says the most outrageous things.
What I think is that the editors actually did not believe that Philip was a formal federal agent. I think they thought he was so delusional that they refused to give him the credit of the career he may or may not have.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 19, 2011, 04:23:09 AM
Ho boy.  I watched the first episode and so many fun things happened.

I've never seen Rob and Russell at work, but I'm officially amazed.*  Russell is a machine built to manipulate people, and Rob put together his cult almost instantly.  I don't see how either of these guys is going away before the merge.

Here's the most interesting question after the first episode - How good a player is Kristina?

We know she's got some mojo.  Boston Rob said good Survivor players take initiative and she obviously does that.  He wants her out because he perceives her as a danger, and she has the charisma and smarts to organize around her.  But her ability to manage people isn't so clear.  I'm not sure whether to rate her overall performance a B plus or a C minus.

I don't know why she would assume the immunity idol was in the box at the beginning.  Aren't they usually better hidden? She ended up finding nothing and was labeled a threat by Rob.  She didn't seem primarily interested in making a smart play so much as feeling like she did.

After the challenge, she knew she was in a bad position.  How well did she plan for Tribal Council?  This is enormously complicated.

The way she got Francesca on board was great.  I thought Kristina was opening up too much, but Francesca ended up being someone with a degree of competence and legitimate loyalty.  Good move.

Kristina also needed Phillip.  Now look, I don't want to just rip this guy, because I keep hearing that he takes medication in his normal life.  If that's the case he's not really making decisions for himself.

But... I mean... Wow.  He's easily the most awkward person I've ever seen on TV.  And not even in a way where you feel bad for him or just figure it's the way he is.  He forces himself onto people conversationally in a way that's clearly a product of him trying to be in control of others because he doesn't think much of them.

Everything about Kristina's plan and its execution had to be based around managing the consequences of Phillip's actions.  Perhaps inevitably, she didn't handle him perfectly.

She correctly understood two things about Phillip - he's super insecure and super talkative.  She decided to placate his insecurities by showing him the immunity idol, figuring the risk of him talking was worth it.

What she didn't understand or simply missed was Phillip's defining trait:  He doesn't understand the subtext of any interaction he's involved in.  This lack of understanding created flaws in every aspect of her decision making.

Kristina showing him the immunity idol was a highly subtextual gesture.  She greatly exposed herself because she wanted his trust in exchange for her own.  There was no reason to expect he had the mental capacity to understand any of what she was conveying.  As evidence, I submit what happened at tribal council.  But we're not there yet.

Also, Phillip doesn't really know how to play the game by selectively telling the truth, so he just blabs random things that other people say.  If Phillip tells Rob about Kristina's plan, it's potentially sunk.  The potential losses incurred by him running his mouth are too great to take on the risk.

Really, Kristina showing Phillip the idol was a huge mistake and she should have known it.

Also, she didn't account for what would happen if Rob figured out her plan.  While it's not fair to say "Kristina should have known Rob would easily assume her tactics and completely counter them," she should have at least tried to think another step ahead.  She was assuming the risk of Phillip telling Rob her plan, which makes it especially bad she wouldn't anticipate his response.  In fairness, the show's only 44 minutes and the process of thinking this through might have been cut out.

Also, why did Kristina want Rob out so badly?  Maybe it's because I'm watching the show from an outside point of view, but it's obvious he's not going anywhere for a while.  He's too powerful and well liked.  Going for him galvanized his whole group against her.

Let's say Rob just decides to not worry about Kristina and votes out Francesca to weaken the opposing alliance.  Kristina's not in a good position then.

Or, what if everyone voted how they planned to before tribal council.  Rob has 3 votes.  Kristina has 3 votes.  Francesca has 3 votes.  Based on the rules of the game, Andrea, Matt, Grant, Phillip, and Ashley would vote again.  Obviously either Kristina or Francesca goes.

If Phillip tells Rob they are thinking of voting for him, it doesn't change much for Rob.

Instead, Kirstina should have gone after one of Rob's crew.  If, say, one other person besides her, Francesca, and Phillip vote for Natalie, then Rob is one person down.  Does that sound unreasonable?  If Phillip blabbed that to Rob's alliance, that would be potentially disruptive.

It seems to me like Kristina was too focused on Rob and missed the broader picture.

The tribal council was dramatic but not as interesting.  Phillip did something no one could have possibly expected and blew the whole thing up.  Rob's attempt to get the immunity idol was a stroke of genius because it made Kristina look bitchy and unreasonable.

I'm not sure Kristina should have revealed she had the idol.  When Rob said she didn't defend herself, doing that helped his case a lot.  Lying about Natalie was perfect.  I'm not quite sure why she voted for Phillip.  Maybe she figured her fate was completely out of her hands.  Maybe she didn't want to vote against Francesca, which is a potential disadvantage (either because she's a bad liar, or she's not willing to lie).  

Not using the immunity idle was super ballsy but probably the right move.  Phillip wasn't on her side anymore.  Kristina correctly guessed that they wouldn't try to vote her out and Francesca was the next most likely target, which also weakens her alliance.  The heat is on her and there's a very good chance she won't survive the next tribal council without it.  She took a short term risk for long term gain, the heart of good strategy.

Overall, I give Kristina a B minus.  Some legitimately inspired moves.  Within her own decision making framework her moves were valid.  But still some very dumb mistakes and short-sighted outlook.  Shakily above average.  For the next episode, she needs to be less aggressive.  She's seen as a threat, but that's an intellectual and easily forgotten idea.  I've seen no evidence she's truly disliked, so she's capable of rebuilding her image.  Also, if she's patient Rob's alliance will splinter, and she wants to be in position to take advantage of that.

But really, everything I've posted in this thread is somewhat BS because Phillip is so unpredictable.  All we know is that he likes Rob.  Beyond that, anything can happen at any time for any reason no matter what the players try to plan.  He's like a Poker player who bets wildly for no reason and then bets the smallest amount possible with a great hand.  You don't know what will happen next so you only play your very best cards against him and hope you can hold out until he looses all his chips.  Unlike Russell's tribe, which seems more open about its strategery and competitiveness, Ometepe is probably going to be relatively quiet because all the players with even a modicum of intelligence won't want to say the next thing that's turned into an issue by Phillip (notice how we haven't seen Rob talk to him since the beginning).

Thus concludes yet another tldr post by me.

*I actually did see Rob in the first All-Stars season, but I don't remember it so it doesn't count.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 19, 2011, 10:24:48 AM
So Reap, as one of the most well-versed DTFers on the topic of Survivor, I will address the questions and points you had.

Kristina was looking in the box for a clue to the idol, not the idol itself. Yes, the idols are usually quite well hidden, but the clues are usually sitting under something (like a tarp from a reward challenge).
I think Fran was on board from the beginning. Fran was actually the smarter player of the two. She was actually trying to convince Kristina to not focus on getting Rob out first. From what I understand, they actually were going to vote out Natalie that night, and Philip must have still thought they were on the Boston Rob plan.
Ben "Coach" Wade from Survivor Tocantins and Heroes v. Villains is still probably a more awkward player than Phillip.

Here's what I think happened:
Kristina did need Phillip. But, I don't think it was her fault that she couldn't forsee Phillip's big mouth becomes that big of a detriment. Sometimes you have to ally with crazy people (see: Shane and Courtney in Survivor Panama), but it's hard to judge how crazy someone will get, and I imagine Kristina thought Phillip was going to tone it down for tribal council. Most players do (unless they are named NaOnka...) Honestly, it was the first tribal council and, while it was entertaining, it also basically destroyed Fran, Kristina, and Phillip's games. They should've played it cool.

The option I thought Kristina should've taken was to actually be sociable. She made the huge mistake of looking for the idol, when she should've been forming alliances.
More than anything else, the rule of thumb in Survivor is to have the numbers on your side. Only a handful of people have won Survivor and been in the minority alliance from the beginning.

We won't be seeing Fran get back in the game. I can't see her fighting for very long at Redemption Island. Her game is pretty much up. As big of a threat as Kristina is, I think Phillip is more unstable and is in a worse spot. He can't keep a secret, he openly betrayed his own alliance, and those peach briefs are not helping his game. Even thought he wants to be on Rob's side, it's in Rob's best interest to get rid of Phillip, considering the amount of damage he is capable of doing. Kristina and Phillip need some immunity wins. Fortunately for them, they are on a team with Boston Rob, who is up there with Ozzy Lusth and Tom Westman for challenge dominance. If they can get some wins and let some time pass for the tribe dynamics to shift, they could make it through to the merge.


Also, question for you Reap: What seasons of Survivor have you seen?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 20, 2011, 02:38:02 PM
Kristina was looking in the box for a clue to the idol, not the idol itself.

Ah.

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I think Fran was on board from the beginning. Fran was actually the smarter player of the two. She was actually trying to convince Kristina to not focus on getting Rob out first. From what I understand, they actually were going to vote out Natalie that night, and Philip must have still thought they were on the Boston Rob plan.

She knew not to go after Rob, but she didn't have much overall hustle.  I can't really say she's a smarter player than Kristina.  I also don't know when or if they changed plans.

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Ben "Coach" Wade from Survivor Tocantins and Heroes v. Villains is still probably a more awkward player than Phillip.

Wouldn't know.

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Here's what I think happened:
Kristina did need Phillip. But, I don't think it was her fault that she couldn't forsee Phillip's big mouth becomes that big of a detriment. Sometimes you have to ally with crazy people (see: Shane and Courtney in Survivor Panama), but it's hard to judge how crazy someone will get, and I imagine Kristina thought Phillip was going to tone it down for tribal council. Most players do (unless they are named NaOnka...) Honestly, it was the first tribal council and, while it was entertaining, it also basically destroyed Fran, Kristina, and Phillip's games. They should've played it cool.

One thing I said in the big post but didn't really emphasize - No one could have predicted what Phillip did at tribal council.  I'm saying he would have done something crazy anyway, but that defied all expectations.  Fran and Kristina played it cool until he did that, and from there I don't know what they were supposed to do.

Part of me wonders if Probst did any provoking that was edited out.  What the people do on Survivor generally maches up with what I see, meaning I feel like what I'm seeing is truthful.  But I'm always a bit suspicious of reality TV.

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The option I thought Kristina should've taken was to actually be sociable. She made the huge mistake of looking for the idol, when she should've been forming alliances.
More than anything else, the rule of thumb in Survivor is to have the numbers on your side. Only a handful of people have won Survivor and been in the minority alliance from the beginning.

Historically, this is a good point.  On the other hand, being sociable kinda goes against who she is, so I dunno what to say there.  Overall though I do agree.  She played too narrowly.

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We won't be seeing Fran get back in the game. I can't see her fighting for very long at Redemption Island. Her game is pretty much up. As big of a threat as Kristina is, I think Phillip is more unstable and is in a worse spot. He can't keep a secret, he openly betrayed his own alliance, and those peach briefs are not helping his game. Even thought he wants to be on Rob's side, it's in Rob's best interest to get rid of Phillip, considering the amount of damage he is capable of doing. Kristina and Phillip need some immunity wins. Fortunately for them, they are on a team with Boston Rob, who is up there with Ozzy Lusth and Tom Westman for challenge dominance. If they can get some wins and let some time pass for the tribe dynamics to shift, they could make it through to the merge.

Agreed on Fran.

I dunno if Rob wants to get rid of Phillip or not.  He's a great source of intel.  But he's also such a destablizing factor, which is bad if you're in the lead.  Phillip will still be gone at some point.  He'll make too many people dislike him.  But I wonder if it will be in 1,2, or 3 episodes.

I agree about Kristina and shifting dynamics.  She just needs some things to break her way and the winds will potentially shift more in her favor.

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Also, question for you Reap: What seasons of Survivor have you seen?

I watched it when I was younger but don't really remember it.  So the game's still kinda ingrained in my mind and feels really familiar, but I haven't picked up on the specifics again.  And I don't know the history that well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 20, 2011, 03:55:16 PM
That was the craziest tribal council I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 21, 2011, 02:49:20 PM
Kristina is a horrible player.  She wanted Boston Rob out, for the ego of it, as she wanted the glory of being the one who engineered his early ouster, but getting rid of one of the strongest people in your tribe when it is still tribe vs. tribe, as opposed to individual challenges post-merge, is just stupid.  Amazing she didn't get that.  And that is not even taking Redemption Island into account, which made it even dumber, as a strong player like Rob could easily get himself back in the game.  Do people really not watch this show before participating in it?

And Phillip is quite literally an insane person.  His continued butchering of Francesca's name, and her constant corrections, almost had me on the floor laughing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 21, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Judging from Ep. 1 and what was shown to us of Ep. 2, it looks like the challenges are back to being actually good this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 23, 2011, 07:30:19 PM
Good episode.
The old-school Boston Rob is coming back. The one who wouldn't let others get too powerful. Of course this could prove costly, if he lets Kristina and Phillip get a pissed-off Andrea on their side.
I'm curious about Zapatera's blindside next week. Also, Ralph had better do something smart with that idol.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on February 24, 2011, 05:41:33 AM
My opinion about special agent "deMaxwell Smart" hasn't changed.
What an idiot.

Russell got busted...I dunno how he's gonna get himself out of this one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 24, 2011, 06:25:29 AM
He's Russell.  He'll find a way, I think.  Though the hairy behemoth farm boy guy is slightly on my nerves with his over confidence, it's a smart move to find the idol then tell everybody Russell stole the clue and is looking for it himself.

Phillip is crazy.  I was actually hoping he'd pull out a win at the last second and redeem himself.  He's entertaining as hell.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 24, 2011, 06:32:56 PM
Phillip is becoming more like Coach every time I see him. I hope he lasts long enough in this game to become a more well-known player. If Phillip gets invited back for an All-Stars game, I would be thrilled.
Also, Phillip needs his own TV show. It'd be like Chuck, except Special Agent Phillip Shepard or something.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 24, 2011, 07:41:01 PM
If you're at all interested, there's a website I frequent, www.realityblurred.com.  The guy basically recaps lots of reality shows and offers his own personal commentary.  He always has some humorous commentary.

I see the Phillip-Coach connection, except that Coach was WAY more subtle and self-delusional, IMO.  While Phillip believes his own hype, he doesn't believe it NEAR as much as Coach did.  Coach was a legend and one of my favorite players.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 24, 2011, 09:03:10 PM
Yeah, Coach was great.
Give it time, though. I feel like Phillip Shepard could really create a legacy if he stays around long enough.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 27, 2011, 04:47:58 AM
HOOOLLLEEEEE CRAP

I'm watching the Survivor secret scenes and Ashley (one of Rob's girls) was talking about Matt and Andrea.  Apparently they were seen talking to Kristina about strategy and the like.  Most of these interviews aren't too surprising, because you can pick up on the underlying dynamics if you pay attention, but this is huge.  Because think about it.

The biggest criticism of voting off Matt is that Rob's weakening his own alliance.  But really add up the numbers.  If Andrea allies with Kristina Rob still have a 5-2 advantage.  If Rob voted of Phillip Kristina might have been able to work a 3-4 alliance.  Still not in her favor, but the numbers are now a bigger problem for Rob.  So what if Andrea's angry now?  No one in Rob's team wanted Matt, so they'll be willing to ignore seeing Rob get vicious.

Also, everyone in Rob's tribe thinks it was their decision to vote off Matt, not Rob being devious.

Maybe they should have voted Andrea off instead of Matt, but I'm really convinced Rob made the right call here.  Every downside seems to have no basis in fact.

EDIT:  Another reason Rob was right.  If they vote out Phillip, they don't have any enemies left except Kristina.  Then what do they do?  With nothing to unite against the alliance is significantly weakened.  This way, his group has something to stay together against again, thus providing more motivation to be loyal to each other.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 27, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
Yeah, that last point is right on. Timing is huge in Survivor. However, with Redemption Island sending someone back into the game, that could totally fuck up someone's game, if they have a 1-person advantage.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 27, 2011, 04:23:34 PM
Other thing I don't understand - Why does Russell have a poor social game?  He has the only real alliance in his tribe and flustered his only real opponent.  Getting Ralph to blow up at him was awesome, and his girls obviously thought Ralph was a psycho.  Is he in great position?  No, because everyone hates him.  But is everyone else on the tribe really going to band together and vote Russell of when he can easily create a scapegoat?  Come on.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 27, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
Because Russell is a bull in a China shop.  He truly believes that (despite it causing him to lose twice already) that he plays the greatest game ever and that nothing he does or has done needs to be changed to possibly allow him to get further.  He is under the delusion that if he keeps playing the way he plays, that eventually it will work out.  It never ever will.  As long as he continues to be a boor like he always has been, he will turn everybody off and will never understand why he's still not winning.  It's kinda like politicians who, if they tell a certain lie often enough, believe that it will eventually be truth, just from having said it enough.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 27, 2011, 06:16:21 PM
ReaPsTA's TLDR Survivor Sum Up: Episode 2


“These ain't all-stars I'm dealing with.  It's pitiful.” ~ Russell

I don't know if Russell's alliance is an effective strategy, but at least it's a sexy one.  I mean good lord in heaven, did you see that shot of Stephanie bathing?  Wow!  The show's editors are going to win an Emmy, right?  Right?

What I didn't like though was how Ralph got the idol.  I hate to ask, but the producers aren't cheating for him are they?  In the confessional segments he had this “I can't believe this is really happening to me!” face on him.  Such a bummer to watch.

But at least it's drama.  Nothing else is happening in Zapatera.  Think about it; Julie, Sarita, and David haven't even had scenes yet.  The combination of Mike* and Steve forms a fun name for a duo, but I doubt they're players who will make alliances and compete with Russell.  They seem too wrapped up in complaining.

Which is why, frankly, I hope Russell works Zapatera over. He's the only reason they aren't completely boring.


"I don't know if he's delusional...  I think he's a good hearted guy.  I do.  Just might not all be there.  Let it be a lesson to you.  Government jobs... stressful!" ~ Boston Rob on Phillip

As I watched the episode, I really wondered:  Does Phillip actually care about winning?  Does he even think about it?  I turned it over and over in my head until I finally realized why his decisions are so terrible.

When he told the tribe about how he voted off Francesca because she questioned his honesty, I believed him.  He thinks he's playing the part of an honest person, and thus lashes out when someone questions his performance.

Relative to that, winning doesn't matter to him.  He hasn't done anything remotely strategic because it would break character.

But he also needs his existence externally validated.  And for reasons I can't understand he decided Rob was the person he could open his heart to.  Telling Rob “You own my vote” is pretty much the most submissive thing he could do.  Phillip doesn't understand that controlling your own destiny is key to winning the game.

But Rob does, and that's why we got to watch my new favorite Survivor player teach a master class on manipulation.  Sorry Rupert.

A question to the audience:  The moment you saw Andrea and Matt flirting, who honestly didn't think Rob would take notice?  He knows from personal experience that loyalty drives the alliances.  If two people “like” each other, they're going to stay strong together and form a reliable two person voting bloc.

Of course Rob can't have that, so he decided he wanted Andrea out.  She's a little less emotionally stable and the alpha of her relationship with Matt. It's a solid choice.

Another question:  What kind of professional dancer is Natalie?  Ballet?  Backup dancer?  Stage performer?  Don't worry, I'm not at all trying to imply she might be a stripper because of the ambiguous job title.  Really!


"You just done that to me?  To Russell Hantz?  And you know how to play this game?" ~ Russell

Ralph of all people is really the one who saw Russell steal the clue?  Maybe Ralph's more observant than we think, but excuse me for being unconvinced.

A lot of people say Russell has a bad social game, but that notion confuses me.  Every time I've seen him interact with someone, he made them do exactly what he wanted.

When Mike walked up to the well, Russell told the girls “this game's gonna be very interesting” to jostle them out of the serious strategic conversation, and then asked Mike how badly Sarita did in the challenge.  This caught him off guard and implied they had just been talking about her.  I thought you could only pretend you were having a different conversation in movies!

Then Ralph showed up.  Russell denied having the clue, but really made no attempt sell the lie and openly taunted Ralph for questioning it.  Because Ralph couldn't process the dissonance between Russell's words and actions, he flipped out.  And then, as he was walking away, he stopped and turned back to remind Russell he knew how to play the game.

A word to the wise.  Whenever you want the last word out of frustration, it's almost always because of insecurity.  And when you're playing Survivor, the last thing you want to do is reveal your insecurities.  Even better for Russell, the girls were obviously freaked out by the rant.  In one scene he managed to weaken and mentally disrupt his only real threat.  Nice work.

All that said, Russell is in a smidgen of trouble.  He holds the only meaningful alliance, but no one else likes him.  Unless he can create another target (which I think he was trying to do with Sarita), the other players might group together and mutiny.

Hopefully Zapatera goes to Tribal Council next episode.  I want to see these guys make decisions under real pressure.


"It is unbelievable how well he can just talk to people and play this game, and see what they need to fulfill that need." ~ Matt on Rob

And now, ladies and gentlemen:  The Boston Rob Show!

He came back from the challenge with two overarching objectives:  Voting Matt off without jeopardizing his core alliance and handling Phillip.

If Rob presented the idea of voting off Matt as a strategic blindside, his alliance would remember that and see him as a threat.

So when he went to Natalie, Ashley, and Grant to discuss the vote, he didn't bring up the idea as a foregone conclusion.  By letting everyone else collectively decide to vote off Matt, they felt justified in their decision and didn't see the move as a betrayal engineered by Rob.

In the meeting with everyone, he sold the cover story as if nothing had changed, which duped Andrea and Matt.  So far so good.

But Phillip had to be handled.

Rob can't just ignore him.  When Phillip feels betrayed he goes crazy and reveals things you don't want revealed.  Plus, if Rob can get him in line he'll be strategically useful.  Never deny yourself opportunities.  Since he's invested his sense of self into Rob, there's an emotion available to manipulate.

Let's break down what happened on Rob's walk with Phillip:

Rob  "So, the wheels are in motion for everything to happen, and everything's gonna happen the way it should happen.  I just don't know who it's gonna be yet.  I feel like we haven't decided.  But no matter who it is I'm tellin' ya, you're gonna be fine."
Phillip  “I'll take you on your word man.”
Rob  "Okay, here's the thing.  You have to... Like, first of all, don't go off on a tirade at tribal like you did last time. You know?
Phillip  "Yeah."
Rob  "I'm not trying to pull one over on you.  I have no reason to."

Rob didn't make Kristina's biggest mistake. He made sure everything he wanted Phillip to consciously think was explicitly stated.  He also understood why Phillip went off at Tribal Council and assured him he wouldn't be betrayed over and over.

At this point, we cut to Rob's confessional where he noted he can't tell Phillip who to vote for until the last second because he might blab.

Rob  "The plan is bigger than just tonight."  [Obvious cut to another point in the conversation.]  "So here's the deal.  When the time comes to vote, I'm gonna take my right hand and put it on the shoulder of the person I want you to vote for.  Got that?"
Phillip  "Okay."
Rob  "You need to feel like you're goin' home.  Obviously the way things are going, you know, in order for everything to work out.  You're a smart guy, you can figure out where we're going' with all this.  So kinda like --”
Phillip  “Act the part"
Rob  "You're an actor bro.  I know it may be me tonight, and if it is then I need you."

After this, Phillip made a meek attempt at asking Rob for the answer, but instantly relented when Rob reiterated he wasn't sure.  And then Phillip gave him a hug.

How did Rob manage to get to that point?

He realized Phillip's need to play a part, so he gave Phillip a part to play.  Sounds simple in theory, but it's easier for us as audience members to deduce Phillip's narcissism.  It's another thing to see it when you're interacting with him in real time and then come up with a practical means of exploiting it.

How well Phillip acts doesn't matter.  As long as he's doing something at Tribal Council other than mulling over whether or not Rob will betray him.

Also, Rob said he might be the person voted out.  This makes Phillip feel like Rob's in trouble, provoking his sense of attachment.  It's also completely false.  No one thinks this will happen.  So if Rob hears rumors he might be voted out, he knows exactly where they came from and knows Phillip is unmanageable.  He's covered every angle.

So what I want to know is how Rob hasn't talked his way into being ruler of the world yet.


I lost.  I need to suffer the consequences of that loss. ~ Phillip

Phillip played his part at Tribal Council surprisingly perfectly.  Rob's responses were the right mix of soothing Phillip's feelings but not changing the tone of the conversation from being about his failures.  I also like how he rubbed Kristina's shoulders in a super suspicious way.  It gets Kristina to believe she's still a target.

For what it's worth, since I wrote about her last time, let's talk about her again.  Here's what I said after the last episode:

“...She needs to be less aggressive. She's seen as a threat, but that's an intellectual and easily forgotten idea.  I've seen no evidence she's truly disliked, so she's capable of rebuilding her image.  Also, if she's patient Rob's alliance will splinter, and she wants to be in position to take advantage of that.”

Other than being less aggressive, she didn't help herself at all.

Just like I said, she wasn't seen as a threat anymore and Rob's alliance splintered.  The opportunity was there for her to talk to people.  Cultivate future alliances.  Listen to people and feel out what's happening.  And the only person we saw her talking to was Phillip!?

She was absolutely convinced she'd be voted out even though it wasn't going to happen.  If she just looked around she could have seen she wasn't on the chopping block.  Matt's body and eye language clearly gave away that he felt uncomfortable.  Something was up.

Kristina could have saved the idol and guaranteed at least another six days on the island.  Instead she used it because of self-centered thinking and screwed herself.  Terrible performance.

So the votes came in and and Matt was out.  Andrea looked like she wanted to cry, which frankly validated Rob's decision.

This does of course create a problem, Andrea will be motivated to take Rob down.  An alliance with Kristina is almost guaranteed.  

If Rob's smart, he'll make sure his foursome is locked in until the merge, make Andrea look unreasonable, and bounce her at the next tribal council.  It's actually almost a good thing if they lose the challenge next week.  If the Andrea issue has six days to fester, it has the potential to create more and more turmoil.

What comes up must come down.  Rob's performance this episode was masterful, but will he be able to handle the aftermath?

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*The idea of saying anything negative about Mike makes me personally uncomfortable.  His claim to fame on the Survivor site is that all the Marines in his unit survived their deployment in Iraq.  Winning on Survivor is cool, but doesn't quite compare.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 27, 2011, 06:35:46 PM
Because Russell is a bull in a China shop.  He truly believes that (despite it causing him to lose twice already) that he plays the greatest game ever and that nothing he does or has done needs to be changed to possibly allow him to get further.  He is under the delusion that if he keeps playing the way he plays, that eventually it will work out.  It never ever will.  As long as he continues to be a boor like he always has been, he will turn everybody off and will never understand why he's still not winning.  It's kinda like politicians who, if they tell a certain lie often enough, believe that it will eventually be truth, just from having said it enough.

All these things are true.  But within the limits of what he does, he's amazingly effective.  He's maybe not as good a player so far as Rob (actually, there's no way he is), but I don't think you can call what he does bad.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 27, 2011, 07:37:21 PM
No you can't, and that's the odd thing.  He sees to be amazingly able to pull off whatever scheme he comes up with, despite the fact that people knew he was shifty.  Throughout the game, his gameplay seems to somehow get him by, but it will ALWAYS make him lose the game, because because he's borderline bullying to people and by the time he gets to the end, every person on the jury is so pissed at him for being a snake, that they'll never vote for him.

Now take into consideration, the first two times he was on (when they actually filmed) nobody had seen him on the TV yet.  By the time the current group got to filming, THEY had seen him on TV and knew what to expect, so he could be in trouble much earlier on this go around, because people know his MO.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 27, 2011, 08:04:33 PM
No you can't, and that's the odd thing.  He sees to be amazingly able to pull off whatever scheme he comes up with, despite the fact that people knew he was shifty.  Throughout the game, his gameplay seems to somehow get him by, but it will ALWAYS make him lose the game, because because he's borderline bullying to people and by the time he gets to the end, every person on the jury is so pissed at him for being a snake, that they'll never vote for him.

Now take into consideration, the first two times he was on (when they actually filmed) nobody had seen him on the TV yet.  By the time the current group got to filming, THEY had seen him on TV and knew what to expect, so he could be in trouble much earlier on this go around, because people know his MO.

I agree.  It's why his liability is the fact he hasn't really changed his game.  Everyone in Ometepe knows Rob is dangerous, but he's been able to convince people that staying allied with him is better for their long term health.  In fairness to Russell, Stephanie and Krista is an alliance that will not break.  In that case not changing his game gives them a sense of stability.  But he's done nothing to give everyone else there a reason to like him and believe he shouldn't be voted out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 28, 2011, 11:53:02 AM
Just an observation about the editing:
They are setting the first few episodes up as the downfall of Russell. All these shots of Ralph being likeable, being in the dominant alliance, and pulling the wool over Russell's eyes are exactly the kind of editing they strive for when they find a character they like (Big Tom, Rupert, etc). Because Russell keeps saying how weak his tribe is and how dumb Ralph is, I can only imagine they are setting up some sort of "Ralph beats Russell" sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 28, 2011, 09:23:24 PM
Just an observation about the editing:
They are setting the first few episodes up as the downfall of Russell. All these shots of Ralph being likeable, being in the dominant alliance, and pulling the wool over Russell's eyes are exactly the kind of editing they strive for when they find a character they like (Big Tom, Rupert, etc). Because Russell keeps saying how weak his tribe is and how dumb Ralph is, I can only imagine they are setting up some sort of "Ralph beats Russell" sort of thing.

I agree with all of your post, but:

Editors also like to create a narrative that works in contrast to what's happening.  I'm watching the All-star season right now, and every tribal council vote has been a bit too surprising because the editors lead you to believe something that's the opposite of what happens.

It's a common film technique too.  When you want to surprise the audience, set up their expectations for the exact opposite.  Since Reality TV is an effort to craft narrative out of real situations, I'm not at all surprised that the editors would do this.

The preview for the next episode said, roughly, 'Zapatera finds out what happens when they cross Russell.'  It's fully possible that he does some crazy thing that damages the tribe but still ultimately gets voted out.  Yeah.  But I can't imagine them so obviously building the expectation of Russel being voted out and then delivering on it.  It's bad filmmaking.

All of this is why I really want to see Zapatera go to tribal council.  In every earlier season I've seen (including All-stars which I'm watching now), they've shown some of the tribe's negotiations before tribal council but mostly made it suspsenseful for the audience so they're surprised by the vote.

I HATE this.  The result is interesting, but only because of what goes into it.  You could complain that tribal council on Redemption Island this week was boring because we more-or-less knew what would happen.  But I thought it was awesome because we got to see Rob working his gamesmanship on the tribe.  The result of the game is a function of how the tribe members played it, and the people playing the game is what I find really intersting.

Woah.  But of a tangent there, sorry.  Re: Your post.  I have no idea really what Russell's fate is next episode.  Either they win the challenge or Russell finds a way to stay alive.  He has the only real alliance and is clearly the best player there, at least on a tactical level.  People say he has a bad social game, but that's only because they don't like him.  When the time comes to go to Tribal Council, he'll find a way to make someone else seem less worthy of having around.  Guaranteed.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 28, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
But to some degree, he DOES have a questionable social game.  He's kinda bullied people around and flaunted himself in their faces going on about how awesome he is (in the previous two seasons, the all star season, especially).  It rubs people entirely the wrong way, because he's so obstinate and bull-headed.  That's why they don't like him and therefore refuse to vote for him.  At Tribal Council, he CAN find a way of making someone else look less worthy of staying, but he'll never be able to do that at the final tribal council.  He'll always lose.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 28, 2011, 09:50:25 PM
But to some degree, he DOES have a questionable social game.  He's kinda bullied people around and flaunted himself in their faces going on about how awesome he is (in the previous two seasons, the all star season, especially).  It rubs people entirely the wrong way, because he's so obstinate and bull-headed.  That's why they don't like him and therefore refuse to vote for him.  At Tribal Council, he CAN find a way of making someone else look less worthy of staying, but he'll never be able to do that at the final tribal council.  He'll always lose.

(a) It's certainly questionable.  A huge part of what influences the votes is who you like.  Since no one likes Russell, that's a bad sign.

(b)  Whether he realizes it or not, Russell isn't designed to win the game, but is in fact a great second place player, for all the reasons you mentioned.  Accomplishing this is still more than most people could ever hope for.

I think you have to look at it in terms of tactics and strategy.

Strategically, Russell is very one dimensional.  He knows one thing and has a religious belief that it will work for him.  Never a good way to play a strategy game.

But tactically, the man is a genius.  So far, whatever he's wanted to happen, he's made happen.  And when someone is this tactically brilliant, I don't see how you can call their social game bad, even if it isn't what will win them sole survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on February 28, 2011, 10:15:11 PM
Just an observation about the editing:
They are setting the first few episodes up as the downfall of Russell. All these shots of Ralph being likeable, being in the dominant alliance, and pulling the wool over Russell's eyes are exactly the kind of editing they strive for when they find a character they like (Big Tom, Rupert, etc). Because Russell keeps saying how weak his tribe is and how dumb Ralph is, I can only imagine they are setting up some sort of "Ralph beats Russell" sort of thing.

I agree with all of your post, but:

Editors also like to create a narrative that works in contrast to what's happening.  I'm watching the All-star season right now, and every tribal council vote has been a bit too surprising because the editors lead you to believe something that's the opposite of what happens.

It's a common film technique too.  When you want to surprise the audience, set up their expectations for the exact opposite.  Since Reality TV is an effort to craft narrative out of real situations, I'm not at all surprised that the editors would do this.

The preview for the next episode said, roughly, 'Zapatera finds out what happens when they cross Russell.'  It's fully possible that he does some crazy thing that damages the tribe but still ultimately gets voted out.  Yeah.  But I can't imagine them so obviously building the expectation of Russel being voted out and then delivering on it.  It's bad filmmaking.

All of this is why I really want to see Zapatera go to tribal council.  In every earlier season I've seen (including All-stars which I'm watching now), they've shown some of the tribe's negotiations before tribal council but mostly made it suspsenseful for the audience so they're surprised by the vote.

I HATE this.  The result is interesting, but only because of what goes into it.  You could complain that tribal council on Redemption Island this week was boring because we more-or-less knew what would happen.  But I thought it was awesome because we got to see Rob working his gamesmanship on the tribe.  The result of the game is a function of how the tribe members played it, and the people playing the game is what I find really intersting.

Woah.  But of a tangent there, sorry.  Re: Your post.  I have no idea really what Russell's fate is next episode.  Either they win the challenge or Russell finds a way to stay alive.  He has the only real alliance and is clearly the best player there, at least on a tactical level.  People say he has a bad social game, but that's only because they don't like him.  When the time comes to go to Tribal Council, he'll find a way to make someone else seem less worthy of having around.  Guaranteed.

See, the whole "lead the viewer to believe the opposite" trick is something they do every episode on Survivor. But, during every season, they always have at least one overarching story. And in the cases of these multi-episode stories, if you pay attention well enough, they always set up the downfall/victory well in advance, and you can predict it.

In Africa, Silas was a smarmy member of the dominant alliance of his tribe. He was so cocky, and spouted out so many quotes about how there was no way he could be brought down that the editors made that the storyline of the first half of Africa. Silas says "nothing will surprise me in the forseeable future". In the very same episode, they pull the first-ever tribal switch. Silas' game gets destroyed.

John Carrol in Marquesas was arguably even more cocky. He kept saying how people were actually "supporting his success". The editors show so much of John that you know it's coming. Sure enough, the lower men and women on the totem pole decide that they won't take it and blindside John. If John was so cocky, this wouldn't have been such a big deal, but editors love a cocky player that meets his downfall.

Russell has had that happen in Heroes V Villains. In Samoa, he was the fan-favourite and everyone probably predicted he would win, but it didn't happen. In HVV, because it was shot before Samoa aired but the winner was not announced for a few months later, Russell believed that he had won that season, and didn't change his gameplay. That's probably a wise strategy. He knew he got to the end, and he had the advantage of people not knowing his deal, so he could and did pull the same thing again. Except, he went overboard on the cockyness and made people dislike him way more than in Samoa. He had no social game.

I repeat, Reap, Russell had terrible social game. He got Parvati because she was the better player and she knew that she could control him, but make him believe he was calling the shots. Danielle was aligned with Parvati, so it was her best move. Jerri aligned with Russell out of fear. Intimidation is not good social game. Sandra, who was against Russell the entire time, won the season because she didn't take Russell's bullshit.

Russell believes he is the best. I think a strong point could be made for Russell being one of the worst players of all time. He will never win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 02, 2011, 08:28:45 PM
Called it. Russell is gone. Guess he won't be dealing with "a buncha bitches" anymore. :)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 02, 2011, 08:41:07 PM
Honestly, I think throwing this early was a ridiculous idea. A tarp could be all it takes for Ometepe to show up at the next comp better rested and riding a wave of momentum.

Also, I'll be happy to see Ralph go.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on March 02, 2011, 09:00:25 PM
It's funny, with the buildup and initial stages of the episode, the feeling was "Russell's gone for sure", but with the last minute dramatics before Tribal Council, I couldn't help but feel like "Wow, I can't believe Russell was voted out."
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 02, 2011, 09:10:33 PM
Yep.  I was SO hoping that the manly chick would keep her word and have them send Ralph out for a REAL blindside, but alas, it was not meant to be.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on March 02, 2011, 09:25:30 PM
That would have been so intense.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 02, 2011, 10:20:34 PM
Throwing a challenge this early in the game was really stupid.  They will come back to haunt them, especially if they don't go to the merge with numbers.  They could have taken a 3-person lead stranglehold.  Stupid.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that the producers of the show will make Russell-friendly challenges at EC, as they will want him back in the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 03, 2011, 10:05:46 AM
Throwing a challenge this early in the game was really stupid.  They will come back to haunt them, especially if they don't go to the merge with numbers.  They could have taken a 3-person lead stranglehold.  Stupid.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that the producers of the show will make Russell-friendly challenges at EC, as they will want him back in the game.

Yeah, I can imagine the next few challenges are going to be like:

- Fedora-wearing challenge.
- Whoever can find a hidden immunity idol wins. (The idol is hidden under Russell's hat)
- Whoever is the least hairy gets to stay. (I think Russell would have won against Francesca, as well)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 03, 2011, 10:08:20 AM
:rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 03, 2011, 06:39:21 PM
There's not really that much to say about this episode, which I wasn't that into until the end:

 - Stephanie faking the idol was a great move.  I loved how Russell was able to say he had it and Steve just bought it.  Russell was able to use his perception to his advantage.  Also, she's really good looking.  I have a mild crush.

 - I was disappointed Matt won.  I wanted more Francesca.

 - I thought it was neat how they integrated Redemption Island into the rest of the show by having the tribe members watch.  But I think it was cooler when it was this crazy remote thing they didn't know anything about.  It also might have been a cooler experience for the audience.  But then again, it engages them more if they have the tribe members they can relate to watching the challenge to feel a greater emotional connection to the show, so maybe I'm wrong and it was the right move.

 - The challenge was a good choice.  A physical element without automatically disqualifying female players from winning.  A bit interesting in general to watch as well.  I also appreciated how they got it out of the way early.  It makes the most sense structurally (space the two challenges out), and I didn't have to watch the tribes while wondering when we'd cut away.

 - Disappointingly little Andrea drama this episode.  On Redemption Island, I really thought Matt was gonna lose and make her flip out at Rob.  For another episode I guess.  Rob did a good job talking her down.

 - Unlike the last couple times, Rob closed out the challenge as he should.  Also, Zapatera tanked it way too obviously.  I wonder if any of the Ometepe members realized what happened?

 - One thing Rob can do that Russell can't so much, learn from his mistakes and change up his game by trying to find the hidden idol.  He might be making a fundamental mistake though.  If he finds it and doesn't tell his alliance, and then uses it, the other members of the alliance might see it was untrustworthy.

 - I was mildly surprised by the Zapatera having no divisions between them that went above voting out Russell.  We weren't shown otherwise, but I'm still somewhat in disbelief.

 - Trying to flip Julie was the right move by Russell.  His mistake was that he never attempted to cultivate any alliances outside his threesome until it was too late.  Why didn't he see the tides turning so against him?  If he had worked on Julie beforehand, his chances might have been much better.

 - Stephanie might have gone a bit too crazy at tribal council.  I liked her first speech.  It was a good reminder to Julie of why she thought of voting Ralph in the first place, but then it became unlikable.

 - I'm not sure Julie ever thought of going to Russell's side.  Dan was whispering in her ear at Tribal Council like a plan already had been formed.

 - Well edited show all around.  We got to see the power plays while still being in suspense at tribal council.

 - Unfortunate to see Russell go.  He's fun to watch.  Hopefully this vote doesn't give Ometepe ideas about voting out Rob.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on March 03, 2011, 07:24:49 PM
What I was confused about is why Ralph didn't share his idol, with even one person. Had he told one person, ONE person, who was voting for Stephanie to vote for Russel instead, since Ralph knew they didn't have the idol, then even if Julie HAD turned then it would have been a tie 4-4 and Russel would have gone out anyways.

I mean, it all worked out, but for me Ralph's secrecy, while understandable, I don't see as the right move.

@Reap: Some good comments:

a) I wanted Matt to stay just for the evenutallity that Andrea might go up against him on RI. Wouldn't that be something.
b) I was also disapointed by the lack of drama by Andrea. She could have made a real fire-storm, and it would have made the episode way more interesting
c)  :lol @ Philip in the chair. Good on Rob for looking for it so quickly. You're right about how he should probably share it with his solid 4 or 5
d) You're also right that Stephanie is really good looking. Plenty of excellent looking women on this season. The 19-year old dance? Yeah.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 03, 2011, 07:40:29 PM
There's not really that much to say about this episode, which I wasn't that into until the end:

 - Stephanie faking the idol was a great move.  I loved how Russell was able to say he had it and Steve just bought it.  Russell was able to use his perception to his advantage.  Also, she's really good looking.  I have a mild crush.

 - One thing Rob can do that Russell can't so much, learn from his mistakes and change up his game by trying to find the hidden idol.  He might be making a fundamental mistake though.  If he finds it and doesn't tell his alliance, and then uses it, the other members of the alliance might see it was untrustworthy.

 - I was mildly surprised by the Zapatera having no divisions between them that went above voting out Russell.  We weren't shown otherwise, but I'm still somewhat in disbelief.

 - I'm not sure Julie ever thought of going to Russell's side.  Dan was whispering in her ear at Tribal Council like a plan already had been formed.

Gonna address these point.

1. I do enjoy this move, although, not to rain on your Russell-love, Russell did get tricked by this on Heroes vs. Villains, when Rupert realized he was screwed, and decided to put a rock in his pocket and pretend it was an idol. It saved him for 3 more days. Also, Stephanie is cute, but she is a bitch and I can't wait for her to go. She was sucking Russell's dick the entire tribal council. I know she needed to say these things to solidify Julie, but it came across as her just creaming at the thought of Russell. I think she wants to have Russell's little troll babies.

2. I don't know if that's a bad thing for Rob. I find the biggest blunder too many past contestants make is they reveal to too many people that they have the idol. If it were me, I would keep it to myself, or tell one other person (in Survivor Fiji, this allowed Earl and Yau-man to solidify an alliance and coast to the endgame). Instead, people love to brag about the idol. Especially Russell. In Heroes vs. Villains, he found a few idols, and every time he showed Parvati and Danielle. When Parvati found an idol, she kept it to herself. Smart girl.
I will argue, though, that Ralph almost got voted out because he didn't tell anyone about his idol. I think in a situation like that, where you are splitting the votes just to be safe, I think it's alright to tell one of the people who are voting Stephanie "Russell doesn't have the idol, vote for him". Even just one person.

3. There definitely is a hierarchy within the majority alliance. I think Julie, Sarita, and possibly David are on the outs. They are safe for now, but I would keep a watch out for David. He may not feel content with his position in the alliance and take the people who are 4th and 5th on the totem pole, and try to orchestrate a flip. I'm getting a strong Rob Cesternino vibe from David, and that was Rob's big move in the Amazon.

4. Dan? You mean David, right?

Everything else I pretty much agree with. As much as I was happy that Julie opted to vote Russell out, I think the better move for her at the next vote would be to align with Krista, Stephanie, Sarita, and David and try to vote out Steve or something. Fortunately for Zapatera, Russell was not overly strong in the challenges, so I don't think they lost a key piece of their tribe. However, throwing challenges is always a good way of tempting fate in Survivor. Many times before have tribes done the same, and that was all it took for the other tribe to get on a roll.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 03, 2011, 09:56:58 PM
So I'm watching the All-Star season when OH. OH!  COLBY GOT VOTED OFF!  So awesome.  I couldn't stand watching this guy for some reason.  And I have to applaud Lex's sense of timing.

EDIT: Oh my god.  Rob's speech to Lex and Kathy about breaking his word to them was brutal.  You could see this real dark side of the guy coming out.  And then when he said that thing about friendship at tribal council, it seemed almost genuine, in spite of the obvious strategic benefit.  If you look at him afterwards he's obviously uncomfortable.  And then when Kathy decided not to give up the idol, Lex looked genuinely shocked like she said off camera she'd give it up.  And then he voted for Amber and called Rob her errand boy.  If they really were friends in real life, I have a feeling that died in the competition.

EDIT 2:  Is the episode with the letters one of the most compelling hours of TV ever or what?  Rob actually got emotional??

EDIT 3:  Probst kinda pointed this out - What's really interesting about this merged tribe is that on one hand these people are super connected to each other and feel a lot of personal connection, but are also some of the most vicious players of the game out there.  The constant vacillation between these two states of mind makes every vote extremely brutal and personal.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on March 04, 2011, 07:13:38 AM
Russel's armpits ruined the episode for me.
Dude.
Seriously?
I mean...I clean up my shoulder fuzz every now and then, and I manscape...but not in the middle of nowhere during a contest where any hinderance to physical endurance becomes a liability.

his ego finally got too big...and now he's done.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 04, 2011, 08:29:39 AM
his ego finally got too big...and now he's done.

Richard Hatch made the same mistake in the all star season.  He figured he was cool and was content to not do very much.  All the sudden he realized the heat was on and put together and excellent strategy, but it was too late to matter.  Every one of the girls didn't like Colby and immediately regretted not voting him out.  If Hatch had done more to be liked and not seen as dead weight, he could have built himself a solid alliance and been a real force against Boston Rob.  Plus, he was a solid challenge player and would have kept Mogo Mogo stronger into the merge.

It baffles me that some Survivor players don't understand the importance of laying the groundwork for future alliances.  Even when you have a rock solid group, the tides might change and you need new people to have your back.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 04, 2011, 08:36:23 AM
Tides change by the minute.  You can NEVER get comfortable in Survivor, no matter how much it looks and seems and feels like you're safe.  Everything can and often does change on a dime, because everyone is paranoid as hell.  I read somewhere that Survivor contestants, upon returning home, need time to readjust and learn to trust people again.  For the life of me, I cannot remember where I read it, now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 04, 2011, 08:48:41 AM
I love how the Robfather just owns this All-Star season.  Everyone's afraid of not showing him proper respect because he makes all the decisions about who goes.  It's amazing.

EDIT:  And then he's coaching his brother through the eating challenge.   :lol

EDIT 2:  I can't wait for when Rob and Amber have to make their cases in front of the Jury.  Will there be low blows?  Will they be conspicuously deferential to each other?

EDIT 3:  I love Rob getting Tom and Rupert to fight.  He's so openly gleeful as he's watching.

EDIT 4:  Rob did a nice job psyching Amber out at the final challenge.

EDIT 5:  Powerful speech from Lex about selling out your values to win the game.  Not even sure I agree with it, but damn.

EDIT 6:  "You may have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted us.  But you have not outclassed us." ~ Alisha.  The game doesn't care about class.  She's missing the point.  When Lex discusses the relationship between the game and your moral values, he's at least bringing up something legitimate.  If you're only talking about how you played the game, then winning is the only standard.

EDIT 7:  The dynamic with Rob and Amber at this Jury council is amazing for two reasons.  This isn't about how well they played the game at all.  It's purely the moral trial of Rob and Amber.  Is this part of the game?  Sure, but the jury members don't care at all about if they played to win.  The other reason is Rob and Amber.  I don't think they even care who wins the million dollars.  After competing so hard for weeks they just want it over with so they can go back to their real lives and see what happens with them.  They stated their cases but the answers had no teeth, and they made absolutely zero attempt to undermine each other at all.  When Big Tom asked to make their cases against the other person, Amber gave an answer that wouldn't hurt Rob emotionally, then Rob didn't even answer the question.  By the way, Big Tom proved he was a douche by doing the swiping away the handshake thing.  How is a 50 year old man that immature?

EDIT 8:  This reunion show is amazing.  The wedding proposal (sounds cheesier than it actually was.  It was a tremendous moment in so many ways), Richard Hatch saying smart things about how it's a game, more of Big Tom being unlikable, and more of Boston Rob being awesome.  The Robfather name is truly earned.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 04, 2011, 10:52:12 AM
his ego finally got too big...and now he's done.

Richard Hatch made the same mistake in the all star season.  He figured he was cool and was content to not do very much.  All the sudden he realized the heat was on and put together and excellent strategy, but it was too late to matter.  Every one of the girls didn't like Colby and immediately regretted not voting him out.  If Hatch had done more to be liked and not seen as dead weight, he could have built himself a solid alliance and been a real force against Boston Rob.  Plus, he was a solid challenge player and would have kept Mogo Mogo stronger into the merge.

It baffles me that some Survivor players don't understand the importance of laying the groundwork for future alliances.  Even when you have a rock solid group, the tides might change and you need new people to have your back.

Gonna have to correct you on this Reap...

Hatch has gone on record saying that he never really cared that much about the All-Stars season. If he cared, he would not have come back. There is no possible way that he would have salvaged his reputation as the first winner by going on a season that he will be targeted so quickly. Notice how in all but one episode, he really doesn't care about alliances at all. He'll provide for his tribe and stuff, but what he wants is the other tribe members to prove that they know how to play, which they did when he was "bamboozled". Hatch was not really there to play. The same goes for Tina.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 04, 2011, 11:11:52 AM
his ego finally got too big...and now he's done.

Richard Hatch made the same mistake in the all star season.  He figured he was cool and was content to not do very much.  All the sudden he realized the heat was on and put together and excellent strategy, but it was too late to matter.  Every one of the girls didn't like Colby and immediately regretted not voting him out.  If Hatch had done more to be liked and not seen as dead weight, he could have built himself a solid alliance and been a real force against Boston Rob.  Plus, he was a solid challenge player and would have kept Mogo Mogo stronger into the merge.

It baffles me that some Survivor players don't understand the importance of laying the groundwork for future alliances.  Even when you have a rock solid group, the tides might change and you need new people to have your back.

Gonna have to correct you on this Reap...

Hatch has gone on record saying that he never really cared that much about the All-Stars season. If he cared, he would not have come back. There is no possible way that he would have salvaged his reputation as the first winner by going on a season that he will be targeted so quickly. Notice how in all but one episode, he really doesn't care about alliances at all. He'll provide for his tribe and stuff, but what he wants is the other tribe members to prove that they know how to play, which they did when he was "bamboozled". Hatch was not really there to play. The same goes for Tina.

I'm actually willing to believe Hatch, because he was strangely detached from everything even when he lost.  So I guess you could say my post is a bit off in that he didn't play the way he did fully because of ego.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 04, 2011, 11:20:32 AM
Yeah, I think it might have been partly because of ego. He did try to save himself, possibly thinking that the other players were just not at his level. But, he knew that he was not going to do well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 04, 2011, 02:42:53 PM
Wow.  That All-Star season was one of the most intense things I've ever seen.  Put up next to any show it's a Pantheon season of television.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 04, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
I don't remember much of that all-star season except for Lex crying like a little girl when he got voted out. 

And I don't think Rob is this all-time great player that a lot of others do.  He is no better than Russell or any other great strategic player who was too abrasive to win over enough people to actually win the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 04, 2011, 11:19:07 PM
I don't remember much of that all-star season except for Lex crying like a little girl when he got voted out. 

And I don't think Rob is this all-time great player that a lot of others do.  He is no better than Russell or any other great strategic player who was too abrasive to win over enough people to actually win the game.

Yeah, this is how I feel. Rob has all the components of a great winner, but has never had them all at once. He was social and strategic in Marquesas, but his tribe was not physical enough, and they were down in numbers during the merge, so Rob was doomed.
Rob was physical and strategic during All-Stars, but his social game took a hit, and he pissed off too many people.
In Heroes vs Villains, he was physical and social, but he wasn't strategic enough to adapt his game to the modern iteration of Survivor, and got owned by the hidden immunity idol.
If Rob wants to win Redemption Island, he needs to be social, strategic, and physical. So far, he's playing harder than in Heroes vs Villains, and he's assembled a strong alliance; so he has the social and strategic parts down. If his tribe can win more challenges, he'll be in a great spot.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 05, 2011, 04:45:21 PM
I don't remember much of that all-star season except for Lex crying like a little girl when he got voted out. 

And I don't think Rob is this all-time great player that a lot of others do.  He is no better than Russell or any other great strategic player who was too abrasive to win over enough people to actually win the game.

If Rob isn't an all time great player than who is?  I know one girl won twice, so I'd probably want to check out her game.  But at some point your game can't be completely without weaknesses or else you're not doing anything to win either.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 06, 2011, 06:36:07 AM
I think it's pretty subjective as to who is a "great" player.
As players get bigger and better, the opinion gets more split on how good they are.
When Russell was just starting out in Samoa, everyone thought he was great. However, with each subsequent time he returns, people starting saying "Russell's game is not that great". The same can be said for Rob.
I, personally am onboard the Boston Rob train. I think he has everything he needs to win, and he is quite capable of getting to the end. Unlike Russell, Boston Rob could get jury votes, so I think Boston Rob has a shot at winning.
Still, I think the cast on Redemption Island looks pretty sharp. Zapatera's dominant alliance looks pretty killer, so it'll be interesting to see that play out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 09, 2011, 10:48:13 PM
As happy as I was to finally see Russell meet his downfall, this was...not what I was expecting. Maybe Russell really was the king. I expected the day he finally did go out would be met with an intense buildup and Russell would go out with a roar. Instead, this was a whimper. A great villain should meet a great downfall. This was not the same great downfall that villains like Jonny Fairplay and All-Stars Boston Rob got in their seasons. Tis a shame.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 10, 2011, 06:40:56 AM
For as much of a self-centered, egomaniacal attention whore as Russell is, I really did not want to see him go.  His tribe throwing a challenge just to get rid of him irritates the hell out of me.  I will rejoice to see Ralph get knocked off his hairy, backwoods high horse and leave the game.  I liked how after getting upset, Russell composed himself and told the other tribe everything he could think of to call out his former tribe.  Of course a lot of those things could change by the time the merge comes, but still.

And Phillip.  Every single episode, I'm like "What is going to be up with this guy tonight?"  The guy is all the reason in the world to watch Survivor this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 10, 2011, 08:28:31 AM
I disagree with the throwing the challenge point. It is a legitimate strategy, and I'm sure that the Zapatera majority alliance are quite happy with their position. And they won last night, so it's not like they lost momentum.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 10, 2011, 08:36:38 AM
I'm not saying it didn't work for them, I'm just saying I didn't like it.  I thought it was kinda childish.  You put up with your tribemates until you have no CHOICE but to vote one of them out, because you lost a challenge despite your best effort.  You win at all costs, no matter what.  They missed out on some good gear by throwing it.  Again, it worked for them, in getting rid of Russell, but I don't see that they've really gained much by losing Russell either.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 10, 2011, 08:56:11 AM
I'm not saying it didn't work for them, I'm just saying I didn't like it.  I thought it was kinda childish.  You put up with your tribemates until you have no CHOICE but to vote one of them out, because you lost a challenge despite your best effort.  You win at all costs, no matter what.  They missed out on some good gear by throwing it.  Again, it worked for them, in getting rid of Russell, but I don't see that they've really gained much by losing Russell either.

In most other circumstances, I would agree. But with Russell, they knew the damage he could do (hell, the damage he almost did when he tried to flip Julie). They may not have gained much, but they saved themselves a lot of trouble down the road. I'm sure if they had let him get to the merge and align with the other tribe, they would be kicking themselves, wishing that they had voted him off earlier.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 10, 2011, 09:02:19 AM
Could be.  I don't know HOW many times tribes have kept someone on that they KNEW they should get rid of, but just couldn't seem to do it and it always bites them in the ass.

EDIT:  So now, apparently Parvati will be doing a weekly recap for Hollywood Reporter:

Parvati Recap (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/survivor-recap-why-parvati-shallow-166233)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 10, 2011, 10:47:14 AM
Cool to see Parvati sounding off. She needs a little work on her blogging skills. She's not as good with words as she is at Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 17, 2011, 07:52:09 AM
Interesting episode last night.  I liked how Krista and Stephanie were basically alreayd giving their votes to Rob, but they clearly didn't consider that they had to, you know, lobby to keep themselves in it, instead of sitting around camp all "woe is me".  Go on the offensive.  Say "Yeah we were wrong, but I'll vote however you want, if you keep me around."  Just seemed really stupid to me.

Also, Rob is amazing.

Reality Blurred has their recap up.  He has a link to a pretty funny video of Phillip's "never" moment, when Andrea asked if he'd ever thrown her under the bus.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_redemption_island/2011_Mar_17_slump
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on March 17, 2011, 08:03:47 AM
Not the most interesting episode last night, but:

Rob is amazing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 17, 2011, 08:05:01 AM
He's basically telling the camera guy to hurry up and run to keep up with him because there isn't a lot of time to pull off what he's trying to do.  Fantastic.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 17, 2011, 10:36:51 PM
Fun episode.

Phillip's slowly getting smarter.  Talking to Andrea was a smart play, and he's starting to have a better general understanding of what's happening around him.

And by the way, when Andrea's wearing the bandanna and her hair's frazzled out, wow does she look attractive.  When she was talking about how all the shallow talk of hair and the like was annoying to her, I got why Matt was into her.  I sorta feel bad about how Rob punked them.  Maybe after the game they got together.

I think it's interesting how two kinds of Survivor players seem to exist.  One is the group that sees it as a strategy game and the other sees it as an inter-personal game.  The weakest versions of both players inevitably get voted off first, but the strategy players especially this season just seem so lacking.  It's like they don't understand that not being voted off is a function of being liked at this stage of the game and don't go out to make connections and foster loyalty.  Stephanie can talk about how the rest of her tribe isn't playing the game, but she's the one on the chopping block, not them.  So how is she a better player?

It's not like the strategy players are dumb.  Stephanie and Krista's idea of telling Rob they hated their tribe and would be loyal in a merge was a potentially smart move.  But, when they lost the challenge, did they do anything to capitalize on the discontentment in the tribe and keep themselves alive?  No.  WWHYYYYY!?!?!?!?!

I'm watching Kristina's secret scene where she explains how she didn't feel she was able to actually play the game with all its nuances and strategy.  Um, she just chose not to.  The nuance and the strategy is in the inter-personal dynamics, not the strategic play.

Rob's obviously upped his evil genius to another level this season.  You might watch him and think he's good because of his strategic moves.  But his ability to do them comes from his mastery of the social game.  He talked down Phillip in a very calculated manner... because he had interacted with him and understood him.  He was able to stage a chance to get the immunity idol on his own... because he got everyone else into a situation where it wouldn't be suspicious to his tribe.  He got the third idol clue for himself and swapped out the second one to give to Grant... because he was able to act in the moment and work with Grant's psychology.  Kristina went around obviously looking for the idol.  Do we not see the pattern here?

Also, Ralph is dumb as a sack of rocks.  Stephanie actually did a better job than Rob guiding her tribe around, until Ralph ruined it by being unable to follow simple directions like walk forward.  Can he please be voted out in a blindside so I don't have to see an uninteresting egotistical moron on my television.  The void of Russell is huge.  The Zapatera scenes are almost painful to watch in part because of him.

And, like everyone else, I loved Rob telling the cameraman to hustle.  Little moments like that make for transcendent television.

SIDE NOTE:  I thought Redemption Island would be boring, but Matt has made it so much more fun.  This guy is just so unbelievably clutch in these challenges.  No matter what, he keeps calm and keeps chugging.  If he makes it back after the merge, he's a dangerous player because beating him at the individual immunity challenges will be so tough.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 17, 2011, 11:13:02 PM
I can't wait to see those six idiots go down.  Julie saying, "By losing, we actually won because we can now vote off Stephanie or Krista," was moronic.  No, you lost by losing, because your tribe lead is now back to just one.  Knowing that she is dead in the water, I'd love to see Stephanie tank an important part of the next challenge.  She knows she is gone anyway, but at least this way she could screw the others instead of just sitting there like a sap, waiting to be voted out. 

Those six think they are so smart for "ousting one of the greatest players ever in Russell," as one of them put it last night, but no, you simply outnumbered him and voted him out based on his rep.  Once the merge happens and those alliances crumble, it will fun to watch.
 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 18, 2011, 07:37:41 AM
Yeah, there was really absolutely nothing to their ousting of Russell.  They outright purposely lost the challenge and outnumbered him, as you said.  There's no genius behind that at all.  Nothing that is at all worthy of a pat on the back.  You outnumbered him.  Whoopty-do.  I'll be happy to see Ralph leave.  He drives me nuts.  And yes, Phillip may be a little out there and weird, but if you're forced to be around these people, might as well try to form some sort of bond with them, because you may need it down the road.  Instead of bitching about them and acting all "above them" and such.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on March 18, 2011, 07:51:40 AM
So after watching All-Stars and seeing his game in this episode, all I can say is that Rob is a Survivor genius. He knows how to play the game, and he is able to fix his mistakes. Also, he's an amazing puzzle solver, great under pressure, and brilliant when working with his tribe. I mean the beach day/hidden idol ploys? Everyone believes him. He's using his reputation to good use.

That being said, I don't know if its possible for him to win. Sooner or later the tribes will realize just how dangerous he really is (hopefully), because if he makes far into the merge he'll just start winning and winning individual immunity. Also, since his reputation does precede him, will people really be willing to vote for him?

Also, I would have liked to see Krista and Stephanie sow more seeds of discontent in Zapatera. I think it could have been possible for them to swing the bottom 3 out of the majority alliance (who I think are David, Julie and Sertia) with a little determination and careful prying (Julie has made it pretty clear she's willing to change sides). Stephanie is too smart of a player to go down like this. Disappointing to say the least.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on March 19, 2011, 09:57:33 AM
Yeah, I thought David, Sarita and Julie missed a golden opportunity to switch up the tribe and lobby for a better position. I guess Sarita and David are butting heads, but they need to ge rid of Ralph's idol, and it would be wise to break up Steve and Mike before they become too powerful.

I'm warming up to Stephanie, though. She seems like she can play the game, but was foolish enough to align with Russell early on. She'll do anything to stay alive at this point, so I imagine if she keeps up her "you're gonna have to cut throats eventually" montra, she'll be able to convince the lower people on the Zapatera 6 to flip.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 24, 2011, 09:35:46 AM
So last night.  Where do you even start?  The continued lack of brilliance at Zapatera is just amazing.  David was on the right track, by suggesting keeping Stephanie, but bullheadedness kept that from happening.  My thing was that if Sarita stabbed herself in the gums brushing her teeth with a stick, then 1) she's probably not too bright anyway and should be cut loose and 2) if she DOES have an infection, there's a chance of her having to leave in a medical capacity anyway.  That''l put them down one MORE person, whereas if they'd voted her out, it would've been a non-issue for them.  Just seems like a bunch of bull-headed "They aligned with Russell, we MUST vote them out!!!"

Also, what's with the ridiculously mangled spelling of names on ballots?  Stifine?  Ressell?  Krasta?  Discussion at Reality Blurred seems to think that Ralph is doing it on purpose to either be a dick or play up the "dumb hillbilly" stereotype.  I don't get it either way.

Phillip has loose cannon written all over him.  I have my doubts he or Stephanie ever watched one minute of Survivor.  Now I wholeheartedly agre with him that the girls are just laying around doing jack shit.  Irritates me and I'm not even there.  Get rid of them at the first opportunity.  They don't do shit in challenges either, so why keep them?  Dead weight.  Also, Phillip following Rob and Grant and butting onto the conversation about the clue was awkward.  He's like a bull in a China shop.  No subtlety, no nothing.  Wouldn't you feel like busting up some private conversation about the idol would make you look like you were intruding where you were clearly not invited?

Also, after the duel at Redemption, when Andrea indicates she thinks that Matt could be a threat - did anybody else take that as "Ooooh, I'm a little jealous of his connection with her and I really don't like that she gave him a Bible, all sweet and such, so sayonara, Matt!!"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on March 24, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
Also, after the duel at Redemption, when Andrea indicates she thinks that Matt could be a threat - did anybody else take that as "Ooooh, I'm a little jealous of his connection with her and I really don't like that she gave him a Bible, all sweet and such, so sayonara, Matt!!"

Of course! :lol That's all it was.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on March 24, 2011, 09:46:37 AM
So last night.  Where do you even start?  The continued lack of brilliance at Zapatera is just amazing.  David was on the right track, by suggesting keeping Stephanie, but bullheadedness kept that from happening.  My thing was that if Sarita stabbed herself in the gums brushing her teeth with a stick, then 1) she's probably not too bright anyway and should be cut loose and 2) if she DOES have an infection, there's a chance of her having to leave in a medical capacity anyway.  That''l put them down one MORE person, whereas if they'd voted her out, it would've been a non-issue for them.  Just seems like a bunch of bull-headed "They aligned with Russell, we MUST vote them out!!!"

I was actually stunned that they DIDN'T take David's advice and vote out Sarita (which includes the medical thing, you're right). David seems like a really smart player, and it's a shame that because of the stubbornness of his tribe mates HE is now on the chopping block for supporting Stephanie. It makes me wonder, if they do go against David at the next tribal, who will solve puzzles for Zapatera, since they already decided David was the right man for the job. Really sucks, didn't want to see a smart man like David in such a tough spot. He's like Marty last season: trying to make moves, but everyone seems to be too stubborn to go with him.

Also, what's with the ridiculously mangled spelling of names on ballots?  Stifine?  Ressell?  Krasta?  Discussion at Reality Blurred seems to think that Ralph is doing it on purpose to either be a dick or play up the "dumb hillbilly" stereotype.  I don't get it either way.

I lol'd at Ressel.

Phillip has loose cannon written all over him.  I have my doubts he or Stephanie ever watched one minute of Survivor.  Now I wholeheartedly agre with him that the girls are just laying around doing jack shit.  Irritates me and I'm not even there.  Get rid of them at the first opportunity.  They don't do shit in challenges either, so why keep them?  Dead weight.  Also, Phillip following Rob and Grant and butting onto the conversation about the clue was awkward.  He's like a bull in a China shop.  No subtlety, no nothing.  Wouldn't you feel like busting up some private conversation about the idol would make you look like you were intruding where you were clearly not invited?

I don't think the girls are totally useless, as Natalie did decent in the challenge while Phillip let her do the work, but I chalk that up more to Grant's strength rather than her skill. Part of what makes this season so interesting though is watching Phillip stumble around, not having a clue and making a total ass of himself. It sort of balances the boringness of the Zapatera tribe.

Also, after the duel at Redemption, when Andrea indicates she thinks that Matt could be a threat - did anybody else take that as "Ooooh, I'm a little jealous of his connection with her and I really don't like that she gave him a Bible, all sweet and such, so sayonara, Matt!!"

This. But in reality, I think she may be right about him being a threat. Having now won 4 duels in a row, Matt is used to the style and pressures of an individual, do-or-die scenario. This could make him very hard to beat in the later individual immunity challenges (maybe only Rob could match him) if he came back. Just a though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 24, 2011, 09:51:12 AM
Phillip is part of what makes this season awesome, because most of the time, he makes everything so awkward and uncomfortable that you can't help but laugh.

Aso, regarding Andrea, absolutely she DID truly think he could be a serious threat, but there was a serious undercurrent of jealousy along with it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on March 24, 2011, 09:53:10 AM
Also, regarding Andrea, absolutely she DID truly think he could be a serious threat, but there was a serious undercurrent of jealousy along with it.

Oh absolutely. Her sweetie-pie might not be as attached as she might think, and this showed her his capacity to make new connection, even in a short period of time. That makes her jealous, and also I think, scared. She's afraid that he might have it in him to backstab her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 24, 2011, 01:36:49 PM
Also, Parvati's weekly recap:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/survivor-redemption-island-parvati-shallow-170638
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2011, 02:15:17 PM
Phillip has loose cannon written all over him.  I have my doubts he or Stephanie ever watched one minute of Survivor.  Now I wholeheartedly agre with him that the girls are just laying around doing jack shit.  Irritates me and I'm not even there.  Get rid of them at the first opportunity.  They don't do shit in challenges either, so why keep them?  Dead weight.  Also, Phillip following Rob and Grant and butting onto the conversation about the clue was awkward.  He's like a bull in a China shop.  No subtlety, no nothing.  Wouldn't you feel like busting up some private conversation about the idol would make you look like you were intruding where you were clearly not invited?

Quite the contrary.  He let them know that he knew they were trying to hide something from him.  If Phillip had numbers, then maybe keeping quiet and letting his alliance know what Rob and Grant were up to might have worked, but two of the three girls cannot stand him, so confronting them right there on the spot was the right play.  Plus, the girls don't know what Rob and Grant are up to, and Phillips now knows that, and Rob and Grant know it, so in essence, it gives Phillip something to hold over the guys' heads.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 24, 2011, 03:13:35 PM
Maybe confiding this info to the girls could possibly have swayed them to his side? Probably not. They'd have just gone and tattled on him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 29, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
A lot of Zapatera being dumb and boring, Matt being a Redemption Island ringer, and Rob ruling over Ometepe.  Not much to say about this episode:

 - I actually think voting out Stephanie over Sarita was a solid decision.  Stephanie's certainly a better challenge player, but even without knowing what she did at Redemption Island, she's a liability to change tribes at a merge, and she's not exactly super duper awesome when it comes to the challenges.  I can't believe how badly David played it.  He's on the chopping block now.

 - The Redemption Island story was legitimately interesting.  I think Krista might have gotten an unfair editing job in the earlier episodes.  Not that being religious makes you a nice person, but giving her Bible to Matt was legitimately very human of her.

 - After so much brilliant play (including managing Phillip and the girls, as well as not going for the clue), I can't believe Rob made the totally inexplicable mistake of asking Grant to walk with him and read the clue.  Anyone, not just Phillip, could have caught them.  Rob should have just exchanged a guy head nod with Grant and examined it at the beach.

Also, Rob Cesternino from Survivor Amazon and All-Stars writes a Survivor blog for CBS.  It's very good.  Funny and enlightening.

https://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/community/blogs/blog.php?key=0

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on March 29, 2011, 02:39:11 PM
If you're interested Reap, Rob also does a very funny podcast which often addresses Survivor as well, and he often interviews members who were just voted off or Survivor celebs. It's called Rob Has A Podcast.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 31, 2011, 07:34:14 AM
Spoilers within, for those who haven't watched yet.

So confusing as to what's going to go what way anymore!  Phillip is pissing everyone off so bad, that it would be wise to expect him to be voted out immediately, the next time Ometepe loses.  But since next week's preview shows that they'll be merging, it seems he MAY be able to skate by a little longer.  OR he'll irritate the remaining Zapatera people and they'll want him out also.  Remains to be seen.  Honestly, I'm happy to see Ometepe keep winning.  I'll be quite happy to see Ralph go home.  From this week's recap at Reality Blurred (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_redemption_island/2011_Mar_31_merge_ahead):

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Oh, also, at the duel, where Phillip went with his babysitter Rob, and told Matt, “You are truly a samurai warrior.” You, Phillip, are no Coach, so stop with that kind of talk. At least Ralph recognizes that he’s an idiot. At Tribal Council, Jeff Probst asked Ralph if he’d rather have a cohesive tribe or a strong one, and Ralph said, “Well, first, Jeff, I don’t know what cohesive means.” Jeff rephrased as an either-or question, and Ralph said, “I disagree.” I really want to see Phillip and Ralph align, because that will be comedy unlike anything we’ve seen before.

One thing I WILL say for Phillip - though he fell behind on the net obstacle last night, when it got to the brick walls, he busted right the fuck through them, almost single-handedly.  Big deal, when last season, the team of girls had difficulty even getting one of the walls to budge.

I was surprised that Zapatera voted to get rid of Sarita instead of David.  Also, when you know your name has been tossed around for being voted out, it seems cocky to leave your belongings at camp, like there's no way you'll leave.  Or is it showing weakness to bring belongings to TC, basically admitting that "Hey, I think I may go home".  Not sure how I feel about that.

Another great episode and what appears to be an even better one coming next week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on March 31, 2011, 05:32:24 PM
I am SO excited for the merge it's unbelievable! I have tons of thoughts about it, and I would love to discuss some stuff with you Coz. Sadly, I don't have the time to type it all out right now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on March 31, 2011, 05:40:54 PM
Spoilers within, for those who haven't watched yet.

Thank you so much for posting this! I didn't get a chance to watch the new episode until tonight and I originally opened the thread to start reading without even a second thought.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 31, 2011, 06:52:47 PM
I am SO excited for the merge it's unbelievable! I have tons of thoughts about it, and I would love to discuss some stuff with you Coz. Sadly, I don't have the time to type it all out right now.

Happy to discuss when you have time. The merge will be awesome. Can't wait!


Spoilers within, for those who haven't watched yet.

Thank you so much for posting this! I didn't get a chance to watch the new episode until tonight and I originally opened the thread to start reading without even a second thought.

No sweat. There have been times it took a day or two before I got to watch it, so I understand.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 01, 2011, 10:03:11 PM
Re: Latest RI Episode -

 - I dunno if I posed this before, but the idea of Phillip on an island with these people without a camera is scary.  I'm almost certain he would have laid hands on one of the girls and/or gotten in a fight with Rob and/or Grant.  He's a self-centered psycho man.  At least they come together well in the challenges.  Rob isolated Phillip perfectly after the duel, and his throwing the clue in the Volcano was the greatest thing I've ever seen.

 - If Matt doesn't win the next RI duel, I'll be so bummed.  He's a monster at these things, and has really earned the chance to come back.  If Sarita wins, it will just be stupid.

 - Zapatera is stupid and obnoxious.  They're losers.  They voted off Russell because they're losers, and they're still paying.

In other news, I started watching the Heroes vs. Villains season.  I saw five seconds of coach at the beginning was thought "wow, he is going to live up to everything everyone's said about him, isn't he?"

 - Oh my god, this is amazing so far.  All these people have something interesting to say.  Then they launch into a challenge right away!  Then the girl gets her arm dislocated because the Villain tribe demanded it.  Then Coach, as Tyson so nicely put it, utterly owned and emasculated Colby.  Wow, is the whole season this good?

 - OH MY GOD.  Sandra undid the other girl's bra to try and slow her down, and then the girl decided she didn't care, ran back with the bag, and flipped off Sandra.  This is perfect.  And then good lord, what's up with Tyson and his cheeta boy shorts?

 - Something that's very true about anything:  The best always know who the best are.  The best writers know who else is the best, the best Basketball players know who the best Basketball players are, the best musicians know who the best musicians are, and so on.  I think it's notable that the two girls Russell has talked to have both said "I know exactly what he's trying to do, and I don't care, I do not want this guy against me."  If Russell was as bad a player as so many fans of the show think, then why would anyone outright fear him like this?

 - I think it's interesting how just dividing the people up into Heroes and Villains makes them like subjects in the Stanford prison experiment.  The Villains tribe is nastier and more aggressive, and the heroes tribe thinks of themselves as more virtuous and wants to engage in more teamwork.

 - I'm such a pussy, I hate this chicken killing scene.  I find it interesting that the Heroes tribe is the one that just goes for killing animals for food.

 - This Coach and Jerri thing is amazing.  "Jerri's in denial, but in spite of herself, she's in love with The Dragon Slayer."  Greatest sentence of all time.

 - On episode two.  Interesting how Rob is kinda like Phillip here.  Frustrated with how other people don't want to do the work and won't do it right.  Clearly this is a lesson he learned for Redemption Island.

 - Rob's moment of fainting was fascinating.  Feeling like he's dying, his only thought is "I love this game and I need to win."  No wonder he's so competitive.

 - Maybe I haven't seen him at full tilt, but I don't get why people are comparing Coach and Phillip.  He's a bit screwy, but he's fundamentally different.  He's actually happy and peaceful seemingly all the time.  Nobody seems to be creeped out by him.  In fact the other villains seem to enjoy the guy.  Plus, he's just fun.  Phillip is an occasionally funny well of darkness (no racial puns intended).  Other than being a bit off (and even then, Phillip's way crazier), where's the common denominator?

 - The block stairs challenge was so intense.  Has there ever been another Survivor challenge that ridiculous physically?  Also interesting how the Villains tribe is spanking the heroes in the puzzles.  Having BRob is huge, but the heroes look like crap.  Maybe Russell is smart and evil is smarter than good.  I also appreciated Rob killing himself to get it done.

 - The way the trees and greenery cover this island is breathtaking.  It's like a consistent and defined layer of leaves and grass all over it, not broken up by tree trunks and brown plants. Check out this picture to see what I mean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Samoa_upolu.jpg  Sometimes for the transition footage they get great stuff from the locations, and with this one they knocked it out of the park.

 - Episode 3.  Isn't Russell married?  He was awfully close with Parvati.  I liked the thing Rob said about the closest alliances sleeping next to each other.

 - Mmm.  I think Coach was dead-on about Parvati.  She can just make you melt, and Russell's letting himself get hooked in.  Really, I feel the same way about Russell here as I do on Redemption Island.  Plays his strategy extremely well (he showed just the right about of submission/conciliatory tone with Rob and Coach to make them feel more comfortable than they should, then did the right thing by telling Parvati everything and assuring her he was solid, which also makes her feel more isolated), but you have to wonder if his strategy's right to begin with.  Coach is loopy, but unlike Phillip he's not totally imperceptive about the world around him.  Russell may or may not like her a bit too much.

 - And now he's hidden the machete.  I can't wait to see how this goes.  And he was thinking of stealing Rob's hat, which felt kinda cold to me.  And then he dropped this gem: "I don't even like the Boston Red Sox, it's the Houston Astros baby."  The guy's entertaining.

 - Great moment out of the commercial where Coach is doing Tai-chi or something and singing, so they wrote music to accompany the singing and set up the camera shots into this kinda serene and trippy moment.

 - Heroes killed the villains 8-0 in the first all-physical challenge.  Also, the missing Machete hasn't come up yet, meaning at this point anyone could have taken it.  Maybe they'll still figure out it's Russell, but the move worked out nicely for him.

 - Watching Parvati try to talk down coach was interesting.  She said something super smart, "You don't look like someone who lets fear control you," which is exactly what someone like him would want to hear.  And yet, due to a combination of his personal background (according to him, he fends off these kinds of tactics from female soccer players who want playing time), and his unshakable nature, it didn't work.  And then he did the flirty grabbing her thing, which was a nice "haha, talking to you entertains me" touch.  She can't be pleased with him right now.

 - Sandra's starting to show why she won two of these games in a row.  When votes this early in the game become bitter, things always go downhill.  I'm sure to some degree this comes from her strategy of self-preservation (which she does rather well, hopefully I can understand it better as we go along), but she knows how to take the temperature of the overall situation really well instead of looking at little petty things.  She (smartly) wants it over with so the environment stays level.  Interesting how this directly contrasts Russell's strategy of making things more bitter.  Also, I notice she's out and listening to people's conversations and hearing what's going on, a basic mistake I've seen too many times on Redemption Island.

 - Now I'm starting to see some of coach's craziness.  Overly dramatic "pontifications" about important sounding topics with a very thin connection at best to what's happening.  That's a little more like Phillip.

 - I feel dumb.  Sandra getting coach to go off about his work at the shelter was such a nice move, it's changed the whole tenor of the conversation away from anything of any real bearing on the voting, and I don't even know how she did it.  And before that she answered every question with something everyone already knew that wouldn't spiral out of control.  Russell's response about respecting the players was good, came from an obviously genuine place.  He's not going anywhere.  Rob's was... indecipherable.  I don't think it was even strategic, he still clearly looks flustered.  Completely different player from the Rob that's destroying Redemption Island right now.

 - Eh, good riddance to Randy.  He was clearly the odd man out of his tribe, and his confessionals about his simplistic views on life were annoying.  Who voted for Rob?

 - Episode four.  Now the crazier side of coach comes out.  We're still not at Phillip levels, but I know why he's so notorious.  As always, Rob has something interesting to say and do.  "Doesn't seem like much of a coach."  Exactly.  The way he handled him was perfect too.  Once he said all there was to say, he cut off coach's whininess and let the chips fall as they may.  And... Coach is back in this.  I think the most interesting thing is how neither Rob or Tyson told him "Sandra just said that to rile you up, no one feels anything bad about you."  Which seems to actually be true, unless the editors aren't showing something.

 - Love this challenge.  Which Survivor producer decided it would be smart to have women in bikinis grease themselves down in the sun?  Because he's a smart man.

 - Russell made the dumbest mistake ever by not realizing it was a hidden immunity idol clue, something only he knew about, and he realized what he did the moment it happened.  The reaction of the other villains was interesting.  None of them were comfortable with the idea.  Sandra was right when she said it makes you marked, and also pointed out how you can set up the vote to force people to use it.  And yet, Russell got a lot of mileage out of those things, and he knows.  "It makes you powerful."  Good on him to act confused about it when it was dropped.  He doesn't want to ruin the advantage that comes from them not knowing that he played in a game with them.

 - What I'm not sure about is his decision to get it in that moment.  Obviously, you can't have other people getting it, and yet this play marks him.

 - Tom looked a little too suspicious.  The move into the sock was smooth, the constant adjusting of the pants sucked.

 - Tom's play to get out Cirie was a great piece of work.  I can see why he won before.  He want from odd man out to potential new tribal warlord.

 - Episode five.  So Probst gives out the chocolate samples.  The villains gladly enjoy it, and the heroes just turn it all down because they want to think they're focused on the challenge.  Look, maybe this says something about me, but the villains tribe seems like a way cooler group of people who would be more fun to hang out with.  Even in real life.  It's not like the heroes can't back stab and be dishonorable when faced with the opportunity.

 - I REALLY didn't like how James' injury meant the heroes were a man down.  Just sub Colby back in or take someone off the villain tribe.  That's just not fair.  Also, maybe there's no better way because the balls are shaped like footballs, but trying to hit it at the basket with the football toss is making the same mistake as Shaq.  When you shoot it at the basket it's liable to bounce away.  Arc it in.

 - Holy crap this is getting tense, they're openly throwing each other around for no reason, and then Jerri got whomped in the head.  Apparently, people get violent even when the game only kinda resembles basketball.  Imagine if David Stern was the commissioner of Survivor.  Three guys would have been booted for double technicals.

 - Loved the reward for so many reasons.  The location was great, the idea of the all-chocolate feast was cool, and of course, the game itself.  It was interesting as Rob/Sandra/everyone not Russell, Parvati, and Coach started realizing this hidden immunity idol thing might be a big deal.  Meanwhile, Russell shows that as bad a guy as he can be, he's legit with his alliances.  His idea to try flipping Coach was exactly right.  Then there was an interesting moment with Parvati.  In the confessionals, she actually doesn't seem self-aware enough to realize she's really an evil mastermind at the game.  Then we cut back to the reward challenge and she says, almost blankly, "[Coach] is a scared puppy, he'll do whatever you want."  Maybe Parvati's not disclosing how much of an evil genius she is in the confessionals so people in real life aren't freaked out by her.  And then Russell went and played Coach like a fiddle, because he has such a terrible social game.  Right?

 - I'm torn.  I liked that James was able to call well for the Heroes and overcome his knee injury, but wow his intensity is scary.

 - Has Rob ever lost a puzzle challenge?  He's unstoppable at them man.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 02, 2011, 12:29:42 PM
 - Episode 6, can't stop watching.  One big thing about Russell, the Villains tribe winning so many challenges has really worked in his favor.  He builds alliances really slowly, and if a vote was forced earlier, the numbers might not have been on his side.  He really only has Parvati and Coach with him so far, and possibly Danielle.  That's not bad, but still a man down.  What if they went to a vote right when he started looking for the idol but hadn't found it?  Very possibly game over.  The shame is, if he worked harder to create alliances, he probably could.  He's great at talking to people, but for some reason chooses not to.

 - Oui.  Russell talked to Rob for all the wrong reasons, and Rob dismantled him.  Just brutal.  Russell wanted to tell Rob he wasn't after him?  What?  Why would Rob believe that?  At the end Russell said "watch your back," completely undermining what he wanted to do.  The only thing Russell got out of it is that Rob thinks Russell's in more of a pinch than he actually is, but that was an unintended side-effect more than anything.

 - The rope challenge was awesome.  Glad they brought it back.  I liked James' fight.  Rob is such a challenge beast.

 - Did coach just say he's voting Parvati?  What happened to everything that happened with Russell?  Such a baffling person.

 - Heh/wow.  Colby decided to just go away.  The other members of the tribe aren't considering a potentially meaningful angle: If they keep Colby, he might be eternally grateful to them for the rest of the game.  Or maybe he does just want to quit.  I dunno.  As much as there's something in James I find disturbing, he is a true fighter though.

 - Not that Tyson isn't a complete idiot for moving his vote to Parvati, but why didn't Rob just set up the split so he could vote Parvati anyway?  Either way, Russell made a brilliant move.  Rob also got really lucky.  He would have been done this vote if not for his individual immunity.  What confuses me is why they didn't vote out Sandra over Tyson, who's clearly a better player.

 - Rob's face as the fourth Parvati vote came out was awesome.  "Hm?"  And then as the Tyson votes started rolling in, you could see him unable to process what was happening.  I loved Russell's theatrics with it to.  Seriously brilliant move.  Parvati was besides herself too.  Great Tribal Council.  Also, we know why Tyson isn't very smart.  After he explains he made a stupid move and why, his concluding thought was, "I'm still awesome."

 - Rob looks so unhappy.  And the villains get to eat the food in front of them.  I'm smiling with villainous glee.

 - If James did absolutely nothing, would his chances of not being voted off be better?  I feel like the footrace might have done him in.

 - Episode Seven.  Can't stop.  Rob is truly afraid of Russell.  This is amazing.  "How can they be so talky?  How can they be making fun of us?"  I'm actually kinda shocked Rob can't figure out what happened.

 - I'd never want to be married to Parvati.  "I think Jerri will flip and go with us, because she saw what Russell did for me, and she's jealous she's never had a man in her life do that for her.  So maybe she'll see if Russell will do that for her."  She understands these kinds of things way too well.  I feel like she could cheat on me relentlessly and I'd never know.

 - See, Colby's doing what I said he would.  He feels he has to prove to them that he was worth keeping in.

 - They should have just read the clue out loud immediately.  Uncertainty breeds tension.

 - Coach makes an interesting point here.  He knows Jerri is trying to just pull him into this paradigm shift of the alliances.  He's not quite being respected as a person.

 - Rob and Sandra lost a puzzle.  Wow.

 - I'm starting to see why Russell/Parvati/Danielle wanted to ditch Tyson.  For whatever reason, without him, everything's fallen apart.

 - If Rob isn't voted out this Tribal, I'll be amazed.  "Okay, you're entitled to your opinion" is basically saying you've got nothing.

 - Coach voted Courtney.  Unbelievable.  Rob was right to blow him off.  "You're a little man" is right.  He just became semi-detestable.  And, by the way, voting him off was a huge mistake.  The whole point of his game is keeping the tribe tight and together.  They didn't see Russell in Samoa and they don't know he hid the machete, but surely they have to know he's purely out for himself and enjoys instability.

 - Episode Eight.  Can't stop me.  Unbelievable, the moment he gets back Coach says they shouldn't have voted out Rob and that Russell is a bully.  I'm quickly forgetting every nice thing I said about him.

 - The aftermath of this vote is kinda like the aftermath of the Richard Hatch vote in All-Stars.  You see this guy and you think he's a huge threat.  And then the moment you do, the real threat (Colby in All-Stars, Russell here) emerges and you regret your decision.

 - J.T.'s been playing really well.  He gets to control the tribe's dynamics as a swing vote, which is really difficult.

 - I like how Russell is seeing angles.  The other tribe thinks he's the odd man out, so why fight that perception?

 - I saw this before but figured it as editing, and now it's happening again.  Parvati isn't interacting with the tribe.  She's not letting anyone think about her because she knows Russell will give her the relay on everything that's happening.  She so owns him.

 - "I'm gonna work my Magic and we're both gonna be here on day 22 and day 23."  Sandra's being forced to come alive, and her plan is awesome.  She knows exactly how to press Russell's buttons.  That grin on her face as she explained it was kind of attractive too.

 - Courtney did a good job talking to coach.  She got him to think more about how he hates this situation.

 - OooooOooooh Sandra you're melting my heart.  I love how she slipped in the thing about how coach wanted to go back on his decision.  It's exactly what I would have said, and it was so nice.

 - Russell's so smitten with Parvati.  I can't blame him.

 - And I find him to be such an interesting player.  The Tyson move was truly brilliant.  And then the way he got Jerri and Coach to vote with him and boxed in Rob was really good.  But this thing of his where he wants to vote out Coach is being so poorly mishandled.  There's a good argument to do so (he'll flip to the hero tribe), but he's not making it.  He's defying all logic with Danielle and making her angry.  Meanwhile he's letting Sandra stand around completely unharmed for no reason.  Why does Russell not care that she won the game once?  Maybe it's because I'm watching her through the episodes, but she's clearly a powerful player.  Doesn't Russell see this?  At least, if you can't make coach work out, vote for Courtney because it's a decision that will work with your tribe and further isolate Sandra.

 - PAVARTI VOTED COACH!!  I hope this is explained next episode.

 - The train will continue to roll.  Episode 9.

 - Interesting.  In the preview, Probst mentioned Coach was Jerri's closest ally.  Maybe Pavarti wanted to purge potential divided loyalties.

 - Awesome, Parvati just thinks nothing of keeping the clue from Russell.  He's so not got her.

 - And then, when Parvati and Danielle find the clue, evil Parvati comes out in the confessional.  "I'm not going to tell Russell about the idol yet.  It's not that I don't trust him, I just want to see him squirm for a little bit.  You know, he's not the king of Survivor.  I'm the Queen, and usually the King does what the Queen says anyway."

 - Parvati reading the immunity idol note to Russell was great.  But this is year another reason I'd hate to be in anything meaningful with her.  I can just imagine her eviscerating me like that to her friends.  Also, I don't know what to make of JT/the hero tribe's decision to do this.  Obviously, it seems exceptionally dumb because of what we know about Russell, and even aside from that it's still probably not great.  What I don't get is their certainty of an all-female alliance.  There's a reason everyone on the Villain tribe is gleefully laughing at this notion.  I'm semi-surprised that Sandra and Courtney haven't gone to the heroes and told them Russell is actually running the show, but I guess there's no real reason to stir up hate.  Plus, it might put a target on Sandra's back since it would be seen as her move (she's clearly the bigger sister between the two).  As for the vote, Parvati's instincts are correct, Courtney might be more loyal after the merge.  Plus, I think she senses Courtney's the weaker player.  My mind is utterly blown that no one wants to vote Sandra out.  Before it made sense why (by starting arguments, she got people to think about the subjects of the arguments instead of her), but now I'm confused.  This is a past winner who's clearly good.  Why does no one fear her?

 - Right as I typed that, they started talking about Sandra.  All the girls wanted her, and Russell didn't put up much of a fight.  I guess there was something about Sandra in the other tribe he liked less, but he was talked over.

 - Parvati shouldn't have said she was the boss, even if she then tried to make it a joke.  You don't want the Russell target on you.

 - Episode 10.  Russell's lie about them both playing idols ended up being perfect.

 - I think it's interesting that Parvati of all people would be offended by the perception of her.  They want her out because they fear her, which is a vote of confidence about her abilities.  As for them thinking they have control of the game?  Awesome.  She has a little of the Russell ego in her this way.

 - Sandra: "I'm the last of my alliance, and I have to be babysat.  If they catch me talking to you, I'm done, so keep this on the low low."  Aside from the low low thing (which sounds a little less ridiculous when she actually says it), now I'm sorta getting why Sandra lasts.  She'll go to ridiculous lengths to not draw attention.

 - Unbelievable.  Sandra tells Rupert what's up, and he can't make himself believe it even though he knows he has to.

 - JT's an idiot.  Why can't he read that Sandra is clearly on the outs with her tribe, has every reason to screw them, and no reason to make this story up?  Rupert's right, anyone that immediately plays the "I swear on my kids" card is untrustworthy.

 - Amanda actually did a good job with Parvati.  She didn't seem to give up any information of real importance, and then Parvati said she had an idol.

 - Does Danielle have fake boobs?  Also, I liked Parvati letting Danielle win.  Nice loyalty-sealing move.

 - Russell gives Parvati another idol.  Amazing.  Her conversation with Amanda was interesting.  The show screwed us a little bit.  I don't think Sandra sat out and did nothing during the day, but we didn't see it.

 - GREAT move by Parvati giving Sandra and Jerri idols.  The Heroes tribe is about to die and the Villains tribe is going to be rock solid.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 02, 2011, 02:13:56 PM
Episode 11

 - Parvati's fine.  Russell isn't gonna do anything against this alliance.  She owns him.  Good decision by her and Danielle to be open about what happened and play it down, which further isolates Russell psychologically.

 - As much as Russell isn't the greatest player, he read the tea leaves of this merge perfectly once Sandra told him what's up, and now he sees the next move.  It's a shame his ego often gets the better of him and he never seems to have many moves, because he tends to understand the other people in the game fairly well.

 - Good moves by Russell.  Cover the liability of Sandra by flipping Candace.

 - This immunity idol clue thing is the saddest thing ever.  Fortunately Colby was able to keep things together.  I think the worst part was how they were in a historic museum and potentially about to break things.

 - I have to approve of how Russell played the hidden immunity idol here.  Great excuse to get out, not telling his obviously less-loyal-than-he-thinks alliance.  Danielle gets flustered looking for it.  Then he used it perfectly with Candace.  Glad to see him finally have some moves in him.  It seems like when his ego isn't raging out of control he plays best, because then he actually has to think and make smart plays.

 - This is where the game gets relentlessly fascinating.  Candace and Sandra have essentially traded tribes (great job moving all this around by Sandra by the way.  She knows how to make her personality work in her favor, has a great sense of timing, and knows what to say), and after the immunity challenge, things are going to get very interesting.  Also, I'm starting to see why Sandra won so easily.  No one on the Jury wants to vote for anyone on the villains tribe... except her.  So as long as she can simply stay alive, she's golden.  But in the context of this moment, she realizes she's low on the villain's pecking order and needs to change things up.  What I can't figure out is if she or Parvati has played the better game.  Both of them have had some luck. Sandra managed to slip by a couple votes purely because the others weren't thinking, Parvati would have been screwed without Russell as her number two guy.  I think Parvati has made more decisions, and she had the truly inspired move with the two idols.  I also wonder though if keeping the other idol from Russell was really a good idea, it was an ego move.  Sandra's ridden the line a couple times at tribal council by being argumentative, and yet she's always come out on top for it.  Essentially, Parvati has made more decisions and has made bigger decisions, but Sandra's success rate is higher.  Both of them are great either way.

 - Sandra's a great example of what I like to call below suspicion.  When someone says above suspicion, I think of that as someone who's just this great guy, and his actions show that he'd never do something like what you might suspect him of.  Being below suspicion is when you don't have any of that, but you just stay off the radar so well that no one even thinks about you.  Russell's obvious move here is to vote off Sandra.  He's got Candice so he'll still have numbers and he knows Sandra is trouble, so why vote off Amanda?  It's that stupid ego again.  He sees her as a good player (which, to some extent, she is), so he wants to beat her.  This then raises the obvious question: HOW DOES RUSSELL NOT SEE SANDRA AS A GOOD PLAYER?  SHE WON THE GAME.  I guess the below suspicion thing really works, because it's not like Russell doesn't want to vote Sandra and everyone's telling him he's wrong.  Everyone ignores her, which makes her nice and happy.  For instance, when Rupert's saying "everyone write Russell's name down" in front of Candice, Sandra just sits there and makes no effort to seem like she's in on it.  She's just there, watching, like she's known to do.

 - Candice is an idiot.  No matter what anyone does to make her see reason, she won't do it.  Sandra tried, but I dunno what else you do.  Maybe yelling at her isn't a great idea, on the other hand you have to jostle her noggin somehow, because she was just doing things and blabbing along and needed to get thinking.

 - Russell: "Sandra, she's just there with us."  He really just said that?  On the other hand, it flustered her and made her look sorta bad.  He's actually handling this TC really well.

 - Heh.  Sandra read the Tea leaves and voted Amanda.  Still not sure how well she played that.  Should she have noticed Candice was up to no good?  Did she do a bad job trying to talk to her?  Did Russell just play her better?  He did play her really well, but I'm not sure.  Great moment when he played the idol though. Parvati rolled her eyes and said he wasted one when he said he was nervous.  I think the love is gone.  What I'm not sure of is if it was smart.  Like, the heat was on him and he knew it.  But then the Heroes want to Parvati.  Should he have seen that coming or no?

Episode 12

 - So many people going for the temptations.  Then Rupert slipped.  This contest was way better in All-Stars.

 - Love everyone splitting for the immunity idol.  I loved how Sandra said she thought by burning bush they meant bush on fire.  Maybe she was only half-serious?  But then she found it and smartly ditched it.  Rupert's idea of faking the idol was good.  And he found just the right rock for it.  And yet, Russell didn't even consider the possibility it was fake?  I mean, he probably did and it wasn't shown, but apparently he didn't consider it enough to matter.  I also appreciate Russell and Colby making a savvy play by also voting out Candice.

 - Courtney looks really good.

 - Candice: "It was obvious Amanda was going to go home whether I voted for her or not."  That's beyond stupid.  Glad to see her go.

 - Oh my god, this is amazing.  Russell doesn't realize that his group voted exactly how it should, and that the extra Candice votes came from Colby and Rupert.

 - Crucial immunity win by Russell.  Not that he was on the chopping block, but he needs a way to assert himself again.

 - I don't understand what Russell is doing trying to break up Parvati and Danielle.  It might have worked.  He's a good enough liar, but he messed something up because now both of them know what he was trying to do.  He's getting so paranoid.

 - Maybe I'm wrong, but no one seems to be considering the Final Tribal Council seriously enough.

 - In spite of some glaring tactical errors, Russell got it done.  Hell of a play.

Episode 13

 - If Russell wanted to get Parvati off balance, he succeeded.  She's not sure of Jerri, she doesn't have Danielle, Sandra's a loose cannon, Rupert and Colby won't touch Parvati.  She's the one thinking the most strategically long term btw.  She seems to be the only one who really understands that being in front of a jurry with Rupert or Colby is the end for you.

 - I dunno if it's just the situation of being in the game, but it seems like all these Survivor contestants are very family-oriented people.  The thing with Sandra and her uncle was pretty touching.

 - Why is Rupert making a bunch of noise at night working?  What does this gain him?

 - I think it's interesting that Parvati's dad seems like a very passive guy who's willing to roll over for a lot of things.

 - Sandra makes another subtly smart play.  It doesn't seem like a great idea to tell Russell "I'm against you," but then he starts going off and Parvati starts making fun of her.  Along with not being on the chopping block, her other truly brilliant skill is stirring up conflict.  She starts these fights without it ever coming back on her, and the right person ends up looking stupid.  Plus, at least for a brief moment, Parvati genuinely liked her, which is a very nice asset.

 - Parvati: "I'm a hero on the inside."  Hmmmmmm.....

 - Good job by Sandra realizing she needed to play the HII.

Episode 14

 - Sandra's fine.  By looking so ridiculous about it, Russell de-validates the idea of Sandra being a liar by hiding the idol.

 - Russell clearly doesn't understand how FTC works.  'Clearly, the best people for me to go with are Jerri and Sandra.  Sandra didn't play the game [completely untrue] and Jerri didn't play the game.  They almost have to vote for me.'  Both Jerri and Sandra are extremely likable people who didn't create any truly deep fissures in the tribe.  Parvati is obviously someone you want in with.  Nobody will vote for her.  The other best choice might be... Colby?  You could make the argument he's an over-the-hill quitter who lucked into the Jury. (For what it's worth, for some reason I liked Colby more this season than in All-Stars.  He didn't play the game as hard, but he seemed more evolved as a human being).

 - Nice immunity win by Russell at the end.

 - Parvati knows Sandra will win if she's at FTC.  This is why she's better than Russell.

 - Sandra's got some killer instinct in her.  Great stuff.

 - Sandra's opening wasn't bad.  Good point, didn't sell it too well.  Russell's sucked because he threw bad feelings at the jury by accusing them of looking at him wrong.  Parvati did okay.  She had the reason to like her by playing Russell as a pet, but didn't really explain it, and she ended with saying she played the game well.  Overall, this was weak.

 - Parvati's response to Colby was solid.  I wonder why we didn't see Colby ask Sandra anything.  I shouldn't be surprised that Coach used his moment to talk and not actually ask the Jury anything.  Sandra's answer to the question of why her strategy was good bummed me out.  She should have mentioned how she voted out Coach, which was awesome, and described how she stayed alive by not trying to go to far to screw people.  The weirdest thing is how as she talks about the heroes not voting Russell we all see them doing the "Yeah, she's right, we should have done that" nod.  People baffle me sometimes. 

Courtney did Sandra a great service, and this time Sandra took the opportunity.  You could see she was genuinely loyal to her alliance.  When JT asked how Russell played the game to secure jury votes, the response actually wasn't bad.  I liked Russell arguing that there should be a mutual respect and understanding for what he's done.  The problem is that, again, Russell is putting the heat on the jury instead of making them feel good about voting for him.  He doesn't get this. 

Parvati made a solid argument saying she had to play under much tougher circumstances than Sandra.  And yet, somehow, Sandra's thing is coming together.  Everyone's feeling "Crap, yeah, we wanted Russell off and we didn't make it happen.  She did know what was up and tried to help us and she's being cool by telling it like it is.  We should give it to her."  Russell's playing like crap, and Parvati isn't really doing anything to be liked.

I want to beat Russell, badly:

Danielle: 'Russell, obviously you made a lot of errors in your jury selection, but tell me this, would have you changed anything about your game?' [I commented on how you played because I find it interesting and respectable.  I'm thinking of voting for you.  As a player I respect, can you do the ultimate thing strong players of anything do and honestly evaluate what you did?  This might also help you gain more credibility with the jury.]
Russell: 'I don't regret anything I did, because if I don't play that way, I can't get to the jury. [Your question bugs me.  I play the perfect game and I'm insulted that you would question it.]
Danielle: 'Yeah, but would you change anything?' [I'm going to assume you misunderstood the question.  I understand you did what you felt you had to do.  But you can't possibly actually think, especially given the jury's reaction to you, that you played as well as you possibly could have.  It's like you're ignoring me.]
Russell: 'I'm not gonna sit here and tell you what you want to hear, I'm gonna tell you the truth. [You're insulting how I played, and I want to intimidate you into ceasing what you're doing.]
Danielle: 'Don't you hear what they're saying?  You're not going to get any votes.  No one respects how you played the game.' [Didn't you listen to anything I said?  I'm not voting for you anymore.  Your game in fact isn't worthy of respect.]
Russell: 'I wouldn't change a thing.' [Speaks for itself]
Danielle: 'Okay, that's too bad.' [I can't believe you just threw away a jury vote, I feel personally slighted.]

Russell doesn't fundamentally understand that the whole point of the jury is to tell them what they want to hear.  Just horrible.  This is the same guy that got Tyson to vote himself out then eviscerated Rob, right?  Someone didn't switch out Russell's brain with another one while he was sleeping?

 - Parvati killed Russell with that thing about assuming Jerri would vote for him.  Nicely done.  Sandra wisely didn't say anything when Jerri pointed out she didn't look out for her.  That's something you've just gotta take respectfully.  Candice reminds me why I didn't like her by telling Parvati she was under Russell's thumb the whole game, even though most of the players understood she was the real driving force of that partnership.  Maybe not it's most important piece (if Russell ever went, she probably would have been next), but she definitely pulled strings and had Russell smitten.

 - I didn't like how Rupert said being honest is hard by lying is easy.  Lying effectively is actually really difficult.  Being honest is sometimes the far easier strategy, because it means you're not marked.  Sandra would know.

Rupert "I don't know about the other heroes, but I think I speak for them when I say we should have listened and worked with you to vote Russell out.  So thank you."  Wow, did I call it.  And then Sandra reacted perfectly.  Sandra opened this a bit slow but now it's clear who has control of this and why.  I liked that Rupert gave Parvati credit for being a tough player.  For all his flaws, his sense of honor is legitimate.

 - Oh my god.  I totally liked how Parvati looked more on the island.  So much more raw, unrestrained sexiness.

Reunion

 - Sandra winning just felt good.  Parvati winning would have just given me an odd feeling.  This is where the game becomes a weird kind of personal reflection.  I always watch the show trying to think about who's playing the best rather than liking or not liking a guy/girl and being unable to see his/her game for what it is.  And yet, at the jury phase, I come back to the fact I just like Sandra more.  I honestly don't know if she's a better player or not than Parvati (although I do know she did a way better job at FTC).

 - Not sure what to think of Parvati saying she was a better player than Sandra.  Felt like ego, but not really dark either.

 - How can Russell say Sandra's social and strategic games were poor?  And then he does the thing where he says that because Sandra could win the game twice, the game itself is flawed.  I'm psyched to hear this.

 - "America needs to have a percentage of the vote."  No.  The whole point of the game is that you have to screw people over who you are relying on to like you.  That's why it's genius.  If America could vote, that would be destroyed.  You'd no longer be playing against each other, you would be playing for the television audience.  I mean, really, this idea sucks.  Russell just wants it because he would have won Samoa and had a better chance here.

 - Sandra said she was making moves every day.  I actually wish we had seen more of her.  In mundane conversations, she'd say random things that really illuminated the depth to which she was thinking about the situation and making sure her actions were right.  Obviously her game isn't perfect, but I'd bet it's better than it seems because of the editing.

 - I love that Russell saved the letter from JT, and then JT tried to throw it in the fire.  TV is great sometimes.

 - Sandra's husband seems like a legitimately cool dude.  Godspeed to both of them.

 - After this reunion show I'm really glad they did Rob vs. Russell on Redemption Island.  Russell got Rob in this season, no question.  But on Redemption Island, Russell croaked with his limited vision of the game, and Rob vastly improved his style.

 - Tyson should have won the dumbest move vote.  JT's move at least had logic behind it.  Tyson's was idiotic in every way, and him trying to explain it at the reunion show was insulting to the notion of evolved intelligence.

 - I think I'm done.  Great season.  I swear I won't waste forum/thread space on this again.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 02, 2011, 06:48:05 PM
Holy blue fuckenstein, Reap.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 02, 2011, 07:40:49 PM
Holy blue fuckenstein, Reap.

It all has to go somewhere.  If even one person reads it I'd be surprised.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 03, 2011, 10:15:08 AM
I made it through the first post and loved it, really.  Haven't gotten to the others yet.  I think Coach was more "out there' in his first Samoa season.  In HvV he was a little more under control, but as time went on, the Coach everyone knew started to return.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 03, 2011, 03:45:29 PM
I made it through the first post and loved it, really.  Haven't gotten to the others yet.

Cool.  Thank you.

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I think Coach was more "out there' in his first Samoa season.  In HvV he was a little more under control, but as time went on, the Coach everyone knew started to return.

I can feel this.  Coach, like Phillip, does way too many things to affirm how he feels about who he is rather than trying to actually play the game.  I actually feel worse for coach than Phillip in a way.  Phillip's craziness seems to obscure for people the fact that underneath it all, he doesn't really seem to be a great guy.  Coach on the other hand actually have a sense that being a good person means actually acting good to other people.  But, I keep going back to what Rob said.  Coach's vote for Courtney was one of the lamest things I've ever seen, and Rob telling him he was a little man was absolutely true.  Ultimately, as much as I wished Phillip would become sane and find happiness, the best I can hope for is that he pays his taxes and doesn't hurt anyone.  With Coach, I hope the guy finds whatever it is he's looking for and becomes more fully realized as a human being.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on April 06, 2011, 09:52:19 PM
SPOILERS.


Oh wow. Just wow. I can't believe Matt would be so stupid as to change his mind AND TELL ROB. I understand he didn't want to change, but he would have been safe with Zapatera, and its a game. Just....wow.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on April 06, 2011, 11:34:29 PM
David appreciates Rob's genius. I would love to see the two team up.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 07, 2011, 02:23:18 AM
I might cry of Boston Rob is ever voted out.  Seriously.

 - Naming the merge tribe after an in-joke between him and Amber.  Rob's best at this game when he's having fun, and now he gets to secretly laugh to himself the whole rest of the time.

 - "Lookit, I've got nothing against God.  I mean, I go to church on Sunday.  But, any time a group of individuals like the same thing, I don't like that.  It could be romantic comedies, it could be Oreo cookies.  If they're all liking it together, I want that broken up.

I had to pause and laugh hysterically.  Amazing.

 - Rob manipulates the vote and gets Matt voted out AGAIN.  I also had to pause for this and laugh with glee.  The editing did a bit of a disservice here.  They showed a bunch of frenetic talkyness meant to imply ambiguity.  This didn't make sense to me.  Rob's smarter than to fall for the obvious plan (which, to Zapatera's credit, was reasonably smart.  However the correct move is actually to vote out Natalie.  Rob would much rather have her at FTC than Grant.  And Grant's a long term threat to Rob since he's a challenge monster).  But when the votes were being read, Rob never looked dissatisfied (when things don't go his way, he shows obvious dissatisfaction), and Grant seemed content with the votes, like he was expecting it.  Basically, they didn't show us the part where Rob realized they were going for Grant.  Also, we missed where Rob told Matt to vote for Steve, and Matt went along with it.  Getting Ralph to play his idol was a nice touch too.

Here's basically the interesting question, was it impossible to trust Matt?  I'm torn.  On one hand, he was clearly paranoid.  They walked off without him and he freaked instead of keeping his cool.  The fact he sold out Andrea was also very telling.  And yet, if Rob can make Phillip a reliable member of his alliance, why not Matt?  Really though, it was the right move.  If Andrea can be made to vote for Matt because she feels spited, then really, now Rob has a solid alliance of six.  I hope Grant isn't an idiot in the next episode like the previews suggest.  Because at this point they could easily chop through the Zapatera tribe.

 - Side note, I totally enjoyed Natalie rocking her new immunity necklace after the challenge.  Fun stuff.

 - Side note 2, the part where Natalie walked up to Rob on the path was one of the best shots I've ever seen in the show.  Tons of drama with a good angle.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 07, 2011, 06:18:54 AM
Outstanding.  I'm really loving the drama this season.  I'm not sure who's going to win this one, Rob or God.  Either way, Phillip's analogy at TC about the ocean had me laughing my ass off.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 08, 2011, 08:57:35 AM
The best part about this week's episode:

https://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gif
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 08, 2011, 09:08:15 AM
Day-um.

Here's a more to-the-point version from the same site.

https://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/bum.gif
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 09, 2011, 03:25:52 AM
Matt showed himself to be a real dumbass.  They shouldn't have even let him go back to Redemption Island, they should have just kicked him out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on April 09, 2011, 12:05:19 PM
Matt showed himself to be a real dumbass.  They shouldn't have even let him go back to Redemption Island, they should have just kicked him out.

Regardless, I can see him winning this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on April 09, 2011, 07:22:02 PM
The best part about this week's episode:

https://kotti.wippiespace.com/survivor/datass2.gif

I love Grant in the background like "yeah...."  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 10, 2011, 03:02:05 AM
Matt showed himself to be a real dumbass.  They shouldn't have even let him go back to Redemption Island, they should have just kicked him out.

Regardless, I can see him winning this season.
How?  I mean, as long as it is limited to pure challenges, and not voting, then maybe, but he is one of the worst players of the game that I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on April 10, 2011, 10:40:24 AM
Matt showed himself to be a real dumbass.  They shouldn't have even let him go back to Redemption Island, they should have just kicked him out.

Regardless, I can see him winning this season.
How?  I mean, as long as it is limited to pure challenges, and not voting, then maybe, but he is one of the worst players of the game that I've ever seen.

He has no real enemies and if he makes it through Redemption Island again I'd be willing to bet that he smartens up. As such, the people on the jury won't necessarily have a reason to dislike him and not vote for him. Plus I'd imagine he'd get some pity votes for being stuck on Redemption Island for so long and maybe one or two admiration votes for kicking so much ass in all of those do-or-die challenges. I dunno, that's just me. *shrugs*
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2011, 10:04:42 PM
Unless he ends up in the finals with two people who piss everyone off, and we get another crybaby jury that is butthurt about getting outplayed, Matt has no chance of winning.  I can't imagine someone who was voted out twice being given the million by a jury.  
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Space Invader on April 11, 2011, 03:32:38 PM
Holy shit. Season 16. Episode 13.

Erik what are you doing man?

That is all.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 14, 2011, 02:07:18 AM
Redemption Island - Episode 8

Oh boy.  The Robfather is now in full effect.  I'm not sure there's any aspect of his tribe he doesn't psychologically control.  Grant goes over to eat fish, then immediately comes back.  His other tribe members react with scorn.  Separate shelters, separate eating times... just wow.  This has to be one of the most well played games of Survivor ever so far.  You think Ometepe will rebel?  Zero percent chance.  Zapatera's gonna die.

The only moment that struck me as off was his speech near the beginning about this being his game.  It was oddly Russellesque, and then he followed it up with his thing about Ralph and Andrea and how Andrea wouldn't make it to the final three.  Bafflingly egotistical.

Also, the universe demands balance.  Rob will own Ometepe until Zapatera is gone, but then what?  Without an enemy, how does he make moves to stay in the game?  In the All-Star season, a lot of things broke his way that let him stay in the game.  And really, without Amber there, he never would have had a chance with that Jury.  As Russell has proven, you can play a hyper-aggressive post-merge game and make it to the final three, but you'll get no votes.  So far, it seems like Rob is genuinely thinking ahead.  In the context of his crime syndicate, he's still being as friendly and unarrogant as possible to remain likeable.  So it seems he's prepping for the next step.  Who knows what it will be though.

As a viewer, it's kind of a bummer.  The fun Boston Rob from before the merge is gone, and his darker side is coming out again.  I still like and respect him as a person in a number of ways.  I think the fact he's obviously committed to his marriage is the biggest factor.  But seeing the Robfather truly at work is a bit disquieting.  Unless you're Amber, his kids, his family, and one of his best friends, how can you possibly ever trust the guy?  And really, Lex would dispute that being one of Rob's friends helps you any with him.

From a strategic standpoint though, my respect for Rob has shot to a new level.  I think I said this somewhere else, but while I'm not sure Rob's playing the best Survivor game ever (we need to see the whole season to really gauge it, and I haven't watched many of the past seasons since I was a kid), I'd be willing to bet he's playing the highest level game ever.  He's simply seeing angles that no other player has even bothered to look for.

Other interesting sub-plot, Phillip getting noticeably smarter at the game.  He actually gets that he has to make a move against Rob, but not to do so now.  And he was absolutely bullet-proof at tribal council.  Zapatera couldn't dent him.  I think, as it always goes, he'll unravel.  But at the moment it's fascinating to watch him grow.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on April 14, 2011, 02:09:59 AM
I know setrataeso and Space Invader are worried at this becoming too predictable...three more episodes, three more Zapatera members gone. Frankly I'm enjoying this...I mean, it sucks that David was voted out but I love seeing Rob assuming complete control, it's awesome.

And yeah, I noticed Phillip suddenly smartening up too, it was strange...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 14, 2011, 02:22:52 AM
I know setrataeso and Space Invader are worried at this becoming too predictable...three more episodes, three more Zapatera members gone. Frankly I'm enjoying this...I mean, it sucks that David was voted out but I love seeing Rob assuming complete control, it's awesome.

I don't find it boring.  If you want to learn about human psychology, watching Boston Rob at work is arguably more useful in a real world context than a basic psych class.  Not just watching him play the game, but because he actually explains what he's doing in the confessionals and really understands the workings of his game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 14, 2011, 07:30:05 AM
WOW.  Holy shit is Phillip ever entertaining.  He's like a car accident that you just CANNOT help but look at.  He's like a controlled building demolition.  Everything's falling to pieces when this guy opens his mouth, yet he seems to know exactly what he's doing.  The guy's nuts, but I don't know if this isn't just an act by Phillip.  I'm starting to feel more and more like this might be a role he's playing.  If he makes it to the final 3, I could totally see him showing up acting like a completely normal person.  That would be absolutely f*cking insane.

That said, other than Phillip's antic and grandstanding, there wasn't much surprise to how things went down vote-wise.  Ralph continues to mangle names on the cards:  "Philite".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
I know setrataeso and Space Invader are worried at this becoming too predictable...three more episodes, three more Zapatera members gone. Frankly I'm enjoying this...I mean, it sucks that David was voted out but I love seeing Rob assuming complete control, it's awesome.

I don't find it boring.  If you want to learn about human psychology, watching Boston Rob at work is arguably more useful in a real world context than a basic psych class.  Not just watching him play the game, but because he actually explains what he's doing in the confessionals and really understands the workings of his game.

Well, it is his fourth time playing the game, so he should have figured out by now.

However, he is dominating for two main reasons:

1) his tribe is a bunch of mindless sheep who are afraid of doing anything without his permission
2) the other tribe has not played the game really at all

I mean, really, who else has actually "played the game" this season? 

And if I am one of those three remaining players from Zapatera, no way am I going down with my mouth quiet.  I would shoot my mouth off to everyone every chance I get, including at TC, about how gutless they are to let Rob boss them around like that, and ask them questions like, "Once we're gone, you know that Rob is gonna get rid of some of you, right?  You're just gonna hand him the money?"  They can pretend to not listen and laugh it off, but they will hear it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 21, 2011, 02:26:40 AM
Very unique episode.  Almost no strategy, mostly interpersonal drama.  And I actually found the relative lack of Boston Rob refreshing.  I'm not one of the people who hates the Rob show (in fact, I appreciate it), but a breather is still nice.

I dunno if I said it here before, but Phillip is kinda frightening, and this is why.  The whole part where he's talking about snapping and using deadly force on people was... not fun.  Creepy really.  The argument between him and Steve was weird to watch.  Not especially uncomfortable or funny, just weird.

Challenge happens.  It's a puzzle so of course Rob wins, although Steve was close.

I know during the pre-Tribal Council they showed more of Phil being crazy, which narratively was the absolute correct choice, but I really want to know how Rob got his tribe not to vote for Phil.  Maybe in the next episode.  Stealing the shorts was a nice call BTW.

And then the tribal council, just wow.  This is one of those moments where I'm reminded that Jeff Probst has to host this show or else it should be cancelled.  The way he handled the situation was sublime.  As Phil was talking, you could see the "it's getting a little too real" expression on Probst's face (previously seen during the many medical visits in HvV).  The way he talked down Phillip and Steve and got everyone feeling level headed was so masterful.  Even Boston Rob has to be impressed.  If Probst ever gambles all his money away and is blacklisted from TV for some reason, he might actually be able to be a decent therapist.

And then Julie went away, which is fine because she's boring.  After his talk with Probst, I think Phillip is back to a level where he's palatable to watch instead of being a ticking time bomb of crazy violence.

Other thought - I really really hate that Jury members are coming from RI.  They're not with the other people, destroying the point of the Jury.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 21, 2011, 07:01:01 AM
apperently not creepy enough to vote his Rice ass off the show.
As Rob pointed out they have some give with the numbers, they could have gotten rid of him.
Why keep him?
I don't get it.
If I'm feeling THAT uncomfortable watching him on TV I can only imagine what it's like to be in the tribe with him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on April 21, 2011, 09:32:45 AM
Pretty boring episode overall...uninteresting challenges, stupid and unnecessary racial drama, and a predictable outcome.

It was also pretty strange to see Julie go despite having almost no focus on her over the course of the episode.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2011, 11:46:50 AM
apperently not creepy enough to vote his Rice ass off the show.
As Rob pointed out they have some give with the numbers, they could have gotten rid of him.
Why keep him?
 

Because he will be easy to defeat in the finals.  Rob knows this.  But I wonder if the rest of his tribe has figured this out, meaning once it gets down to the six (plus whatever happens with RI), Rob will have to start picking off his own tribe, and he ain't gonna take out the one person he knows doesn't have a prayer of winning at the end.  How have they not thought of this?  Are they such suckups that they have forgotten they are playing a game?

That aside, Phillip IS crazy.  The way he flipped was hilarious, but he is crazy.  And a hypocrite.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on April 21, 2011, 11:52:55 AM
Im done hearing about his over inflated resume.

DONE.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on April 26, 2011, 10:53:35 PM
To counter Phillip's argument that crazy = racism, Francesca posted on her Facebook something to the extent of:

Phillip, you ARE crazy.
Signed,
A Black Woman

Francesca went out too early...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on April 27, 2011, 09:41:21 PM
This season blows...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on April 27, 2011, 11:17:06 PM
This season blows...

Woohoo, big twist! Two Zapatera members go out instead of one!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 28, 2011, 12:45:58 AM
Francesca went out too early...

No question.  She clearly had the potential to be a memorable player if she had more time to do anything.

Boring episode.  Rob continues to own everything and have his way.  This is fine when he gets a lot of screen time and we can gain insight into his process, but that didn't happen here.  I like when Probst was talking about his relationship with Amber and how it was his true alliance.  You could tell he was still very stoked on himself about all that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 28, 2011, 06:33:31 AM
I hate to say if, but despite how masterfully Rob has ruled this game, I have my doubts he'll make it to the finals.  They'll get rid of him at some point, because they know he'd garner votes, simply based on how well he's played, and likely a little bit of sympathy, in not ever having won before (not that anyone would admit to that at Final TC).  Rob's best move is to TRY to convince everyone he's the person to take to the finals, because he had a huge hand in getting rid of all those on the jury and that they won't give him the money, simply out of spite.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on April 28, 2011, 03:54:56 PM
Rob is playing a lot like Brian Heidik played in Thailand. the dominant player whom everyone was too afraid to make a move against.
Actually this season is very similar to Thailand. Weak casts. Lame challenges. Total post-merge decimation of one tribe. And both are terrible seasons.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 12, 2011, 07:15:15 AM
SPOILERS

Last week's immunity win by Rob was absolutely spectacular.  Unbelievable.  I was almost shouting at the TV rooting Rob on. Amazing.  I would love to hear what Phillip's argument will be for giving him the win.  I suppose it could be argued that Phillips went nutso in an orchestrated manner, such that it led Rob to jettison everybody else in the game but him, thinkng nobody would vote for Phillip.  He'd argue that his antics controlled how Rob voted, so he was actually pulling the puppet strings of the puppeteer.  Sure, nobody's going to buy that, but it IS a plausible argument to make.

This week?  Wow.  Seriously wow.  NEVER FAILS.  When they go on and on and on about how badly they need to get (insert person's name here) out, that person always goes on to kick ass in the immunity challenge.  I saw early on that there was no way in hell Ashley was losing the immunity challenge.  REALLY a bummer, because I hated to see Rob have to turn on Grant.  However, note that Probst did not read ALL of the vote cards.  One final card was left unread, allowing Rob the opportunity to tell Grant (should he re-enter the game) that the card Probst didn't read was Rob's vote for Natalie (which it obviously wasn't).  He can pin the third vote for Grant on Phillip and keep Grant on his side.  It's like Sherman's March to the sea.  Just destroy everything in your nearly unhindered march to the goal.

Also, I'm feeling like if Mike somehow manages to win Redemption and go to final 3, that he'll win.  Everybody will be pissed at Rob for masterminding their demise and it'll be all sour grapes instead of thinking "Wow, he clearly is awesome at the game of SURVIVOR, and totally deserves to win."  Maybe I'm wrong and I would LOVE to be wrong about that, but the past few seasons have shown juries to lean towards sour grapes than objectivity.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on May 12, 2011, 11:17:56 AM
but the past few seasons have shown juries to lean towards sour grapes than objectivity.

WAT
Survivor has always leaned more towards sour grapes than objectivity. Borneo, Marquesas, Thailand, All Stars, Vanuatu, Guatemala, China, Fans vs Favorites, Tocantins, Samoa, and Heroes vs Villains ALL had bitter jurors. This is not something that started when Russell showed up.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 12, 2011, 04:03:54 PM
Hmph. It wasn't as obvious to me til the last few. Tho I didn't start watching til 2006.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on May 12, 2011, 04:22:27 PM
Ever since Russell first appeared, fans have been in outrage that the game is flawed and that bitter juries are ruining Survivor.
When, in reality, this is not something new, and it only amplifies the original concept of Survivor: that you have to ask the people who you voted out to give you a million dollars.

Here is a very good article on the psychology of a Survivor jury:
https://www.funny115.com/psychologyofajury.htm
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 15, 2011, 07:27:33 PM
This finale is fucking awesome!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 15, 2011, 09:28:11 PM
FINALE SPOILERS







Boston Rob is more or less officially the greatest Survivor ever.  Very well done.  Rob's win in the final challenge made me about as excited as I was during the Eagles' four touchdown comeback earlier this year.  I felt like he was the John Elway of Survivor.  Clearly one of the greatest, but he just never made it to the top.  Now he's there, and I hope he retires on top just like Elway did.

It's weird.  I dunno if it's Rob or if I just haven't seen enough Survivors, but why do juries seem to be especially bitter when he makes it?  It's a game to win a million dollars.  Being a good person really has nothing to do with it.  In a sense, I get what the jury members are saying.  I'm not sure the line between Boston Rob the Survivor contestant and Rob Mariano the husband and father is as solid as he'd like to think.  And yet at least he understands it's a game, unlike most of the people who play it.

I thought Julie's speech wasn't super off the mark, but still really self-righteous and condescending.  Yeah I agree Natalie rode Rob's coattails, but she's a fairly nice person.  Yeah Rob plays Survivor almost completely amorally, but I think he knows not to raise his daughters to be like Natalie.  And while I think Phillip is... well... Phillip, I dunno.  She just seemed really mean-spirited.

Did Natalie get any votes?  I know she didn't really play much of a game but I felt bad for her.  Even Phillip got a vote from Ralph.  And given that Ralph just plain sucks I guess that says something about Phillip.

I actually felt a little bad for everyone during the Reunion show.  Rob explained how he won the game and basically broke everyone down in the process.  Natalie especially was putting together the pieces of what she had been doing on the island and her reality matrix was completely collapsing.  She got so played.

I dunno what to make of Russell.  The way he broke down the idiocy of the Zapatera tribe was so beautiful, then he started calling them idiots on national TV for no good reason.  At least he congratulated Rob unlike when he insulted Sandra.

I couldn't watch David's marriage proposal, it was too awkward.  What's the over/under on the number of weeks until they break up?  1.5?  I like the guy, I hope he comes back because he's entertaining, but a little socially off.  That speech to the jury at the end could have sunken Rob.

I thought Mike came off really well and his answer about comparing Survivor to the military was very good.  Other than Rob, he's the only person I would have liked to see a win from.  Everyone else didn't really impress me that much as a person and/or a player.

And finally, the new season.  Not thrilled at Redemption Island coming back, and not thrilled at two old cast-members coming back again.  Not even because they'll unbalance the game, because neither of them will be Boston Rob, but because (a) part of what makes Survivor interesting is the castaways acclimating to the environment, which is gone when someone is returning and (b) I absolutely LOVE the all-star seasons, and you can't really do them if all the interesting players keep coming back.

Overall, I appreciated this season for what it was.  Say what you want about Rob's opponents, but the way he utterly dominated them and played essentially a perfect game makes their strategic and tactical deficiencies irrelevant.  A lot of Survivor is luck, and Rob made sure it was never a factor.  I mean, has any contestant ever played a better game?  I haven't seen much of the show so I'm not sure, but I have a hard time imagining it.  If you want to learn about psychology and see someone execute a strategic and tactical craft to near perfection this is a great season to watch.  If you want to be entertained and riveted by drama, it was a mixed bag.  Rob was awesome at the start but after the merge his darker side came out, which is always a bit creepy to watch.  And he was the only truly compelling cast member too.  Phillip I guess is a star, I can't really argue against it.  But I react at him, unlike Rob who I actually empathize with a bit.

So, I dunno.  It was good, but I'd like to see better next time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on May 15, 2011, 10:32:11 PM
I actually felt a little bad for everyone during the Reunion show.  Rob explained how he won the game and basically broke everyone down in the process.  Natalie especially was putting together the pieces of what she had been doing on the island and her reality matrix was completely collapsing.  She got so played.

That's a really good point that I never considered.

That speech to the jury at the end could have sunken Rob.

Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite. If anything, I think it could have helped Rob.

----------

I actually have a lot of thoughts about the finale and I want to take some time to write them out. But because of something else ReaP said, I want to briefly touch on an obscure idea. It would likely never actually happen but would be a saving grace of what I perceive as a poorly-considered repeated concept for next season:

What if the two previous Survivors they brought back, rather than being "All-Stars" in the traditional sense, were players who played the game well albeit more quietly and were unfortunately voted out too early. For example: Marty from last season and David from this season. Two players who were reasonably popular for their game-playing strategies while largely staying away from the "drama" associated with traditional "All-Stars" and assuming quieter roles as supposed "Villains".

I really liked David's unusual jury speech. He's a smart guy and I would have loved to have seen him working with Boston Rob. But then, I guess that isn't saying much; supposedly he had the highest IQ of any player ever on Survivor. IQ aside, I would say that Marty was a very similar player. Seeing the two together would definitely be interesting. Unlikely, but we can dream.

I really hope this post made sense.

EDIT: Also, because I can't remember - did they actually specify whether or not the two returning players would be against each other? Maybe they'll be on the same team. Just another random thought, lots more to come.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 15, 2011, 10:39:11 PM
Well, that was a predictable thrashing, but no way can I call Rob the greatest survivor ever.  A few others dominated their seasons just as much and won, but they did it on their first try.  Rob needed four tries to perfect his game and finally win.  If it takes you that long to win, how can you be the greatest survivor ever?  Not saying he didn't play a great game, because he did, but he got some incredibly lucky breaks this season: the other tribe throwing the challenge to allow Rob's team back in it early when they were on the verge of falling way behind in the numbers game, having a tribe full of clueless nitwits, etc. 

Probst calling Philip polarizing was not accurate.  How can you be polarizing when everyone hates you or is annoyed by you? 

And while much of the criticism of Natalie was accurate, she is only 19 and pretty naive, so you gotta cut her some slack.  The same can't be said for Ashley, who was utterly useless and came off as quite a beotch.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 16, 2011, 01:18:34 AM
Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite. If anything, I think it could have helped Rob.

I felt like it was throwing Rob's dominance of everyone in their faces and making them bitter towards it.  Since apparently Natalie didn't get any votes I guess at worst it didn't matter.

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[Survivor Thought]

That would be kinda cool.  I don't think anyone they bring back would be Boston Rob, but I agree that they shouldn't bring back heavyweights every season.  Unless one of them is Amanda Kimmel.  She could be in every season.

And I don't want to see anyone from Redemption Island back yet.  Wait at least a season.

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EDIT: Also, because I can't remember - did they actually specify whether or not the two returning players would be against each other? Maybe they'll be on the same team. Just another random thought, lots more to come.

I'd be really really surprised if they were on the same team.

Well, that was a predictable thrashing, but no way can I call Rob the greatest survivor ever.  A few others dominated their seasons just as much and won, but they did it on their first try.  Rob needed four tries to perfect his game and finally win.  If it takes you that long to win, how can you be the greatest survivor ever?  Not saying he didn't play a great game, because he did, but he got some incredibly lucky breaks this season: the other tribe throwing the challenge to allow Rob's team back in it early when they were on the verge of falling way behind in the numbers game, having a tribe full of clueless nitwits, etc.  

Probst calling Philip polarizing was not accurate.  How can you be polarizing when everyone hates you or is annoyed by you?  

And while much of the criticism of Natalie was accurate, she is only 19 and pretty naive, so you gotta cut her some slack.  The same can't be said for Ashley, who was utterly useless and came off as quite a beotch.

I dunno why everyone calls the ending of this season predictable.  If Ashley won the final immunity challenge Rob very possibly might have been gone.

Basically, it seems that you're making two primary arguments against Rob:

 - He didn't do it on his first try

 - He caught a lot of breaks.

I guess to me the not doing it on your first try thing doesn't matter.  In All-Stars he played a truly great game and might have won if his romance with Amber didn't get to a point where it mattered to him more than the game.  He would have gotten very, very far in Heroes vs. Villains if it weren't for Tyson.  And while you can say this was his fourth game the level he took it to was unreal.  It was practically a perfect game.

Would you say Larry Bird is a greater player than Michael Jordan because his college stats are better?  I'd hope not.

As for catching a lot of breaks, everyone has to catch a lot of breaks to win.  No way Sandra would have won on HvV if anyone else ever in the game had any sense of her ability to be dangerous.  No way Amber wins if Rob didn't let her.  No way Sandra wins the first time if Lillian isn't stupid enough to vote out Johnny Fairplay.  Would Tom Westman's strategic game have been good enough to win if he was such a challenge monster?

Also, I keep saying it because I think it matters.  Rob didn't just win, he dominated.  Eight out of nine jury votes, and he only lost one to Phillip because Ralph isn't very smart.

I understand why Probst would say Phillip is polarizing.  A lot of people find him genuinely entertaining.  People frustratedly bitching on the internet make up a small percentage of Survivor fandom.

I agree with you about Natalie.  I thought what Julie said to her was just uncalled for in how mean it was.  Judging her game-play for what it was, it was terrible.  But yeah, she's still 19.  Ashley on the other hand I didn't like.  Parvati might be the mistress of evil, but I at least like her.  Ashley was just blech.

I think what we learned from this season is that the age limit needs to go back up.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on May 16, 2011, 01:30:40 AM
I don't want to see anyone from Redemption Island back yet.  Wait at least a season.

Until this past fall, I hadn't watched Survivor in five and a half years, having watched the first eight seasons as a child and then stopping. As such, I don't remember much about them. When setrataeso got me watching again in the fall, I watched seasons 21 and 22, and have watched most of seasons 1 and 18 online as well.

One of the main reasons I mentioned Marty and David was because they're the most defined and freshest characters in my mind at this point that fit the bill in that scenario. I was just trying to fill in the blanks creatively.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 16, 2011, 01:31:53 AM
I don't want to see anyone from Redemption Island back yet.  Wait at least a season.

Until this past fall, I hadn't watched Survivor in five and a half years, having watched the first eight seasons as a child and then stopping. As such, I don't remember much about them. When setrataeso got me watching again in the fall, I watched seasons 21 and 22, and have watched most of seasons 1 and 18 online as well.

One of the main reasons I mentioned Marty and David was because they're the most defined and freshest characters in my mind at this point that fit the bill in that scenario. I was just trying to fill in the blanks creatively.

Well, with David, look at it this way, once his fiancee breaks up with him in a few months, he'll have the fire to really tear through Survivor 24 with a vengeance.  Now that will be television!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2011, 08:39:48 AM
Reap, I called the ending a predictable thrashing, because once the final three was solidified, Rob winning was a foregone conclusion.  I even texted a girlfriend who also watches the show, "This is gonna be a thrashing," before the final TC began.

Yes, Rob played a near-perfect game, but so did past winners like Brian, (fireman) Tom and Yul.  And those guys all won while playing a near-perfect their first time out, which does make a difference, as they were playing with contestants who were all on the same playing experience level.  If you don't think having played before doesn't give Rob or anyone else returning a HUGE advantage, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.  Your Bird/Jordan analogy really is a bizarre comparison, unless you are calling Rob's first three seasons the minor leagues/college ball. :P

Also, Rob lost All-Stars because he pissed everyone off, not because he cared more about Amber.

Saying he would have gotten further in H vs V if not for Tyson, there is no way of knowing that.  And if Rob is so damn smart and can read what others are always going to do, then he should have known what Tyson was going to do, right? ;)  Let's face it, Rob benefited greatly by having a tribe full of nitwits this season.  No one else even tried to play the game!  No one.  You can say it is because Rob controlled them, but players who actually had strategy and played the game wouldn't have let themselves get bossed around like those nitwits all did.  Flip Russell and Rob's spots in this game, and Rob most likely would have been the one going home early, not Russell.  Granted, Russell doesn't have the social skills to have taken full advantage of a weak tribe to the extent that Rob did (he might have gotten himself to the finals again, but would have irked everyone in doing it, and lost again), but regardless, Rob likely wouldn't have lasted long with that tribe either.

Really, I am not trying to take anything away from Rob.  He dominated.  He won.  Congrats to him.  But calling him the greatest survivor ever is just a huge stretch, IMO.  

And when I said that Philip was not polarizing because everyone hated him, I meant everyone on the show.  Notice that no one had a nice thing to say about him at the reunion.  Rob sorta tried to defend him, but even that came across as pretty hollow.  And when Philip gave his BS about playing with integrity and how he can be proud of himself, something that usually elicits claps from the crowd, he got nothing but laughter from both the players and the crowd, as pointed out by Probst.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on May 16, 2011, 11:26:31 AM
Being Thorough: My thoughts on the Survivor finale

Part One - Intro/Five People Remaining

Part Two - Four People Remaining

Part Three - Three People Remaining

Part Four - Final Tribal Council

Part Five - Reunion

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Fin.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2011, 12:02:25 PM
Grant didn't strike me as bitter or angry.  He just realized what a dick Rob is once he saw the show on television.  Rob said that Grant stopped calling him back and responding to his texts by the 3rd or 4th episode.  Odds are, Grant probably didn't take too kindly to Rob's constant referrals to the rest of his tribes as idiots, morons, etc.  I'm sure Grant ultimately understood Rob's decision to vote him out, but Rob's lack of regard for him and everyone else cams across pretty clear on TV, so why would he want to be friends with him?  Even last night, Rob was like, "Now I have to decide which one of these three idiots to vote off." 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 16, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
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It was nice to see the full opening credits again. Shame they cut it for so much of the season.

So many more commercials in the shows now.

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- It's official. Jeff included the phrase "one shot" in every single one of his Redemption Island dual preambles. 

"You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow.  This opportunity comes once in a lifetime."

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- The immunity challenge was really stupid. Yay for counting! 
 - Ashley wins immunity again? Man, this just keeps getting lamer and lamer. 

Yeah...

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- Unlike the other players, Rob doesn't have a title beside his name (ex: student, formal federal agent?, etc.). I wonder why. 

Because reality shows are more or less his job now.

 - Originally I was surprised that no one was talking about the hidden immunity idol, but based on some of things that Natalie and Ashley said later, they may have just cut that out for suspense. 

Yeah, but I really hate that.  I get that the editors are trying to create a narrative, and that what we see on Survivor is only 1/300th of the footage they shoot, but it's called Reality TV for a reason.  I want to actually know what's going on.

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- I was actually expecting Natalie to pull a Fabio and start kicking ass in the finale. If she had chosen to backstab Rob, she would have been almost assured of victory. 
 - Rob took a pretty big risk in relying entirely on Natalie. It was good of him to play the idol. 

In retrospect, it's clear that Natalie was never really going to betray Rob unless Ashley had won the final immunity, and even then maybe Rob could have talked her back into the fold.  If Natalie had back-stabbed Rob, maybe she could have won, but I think Ashley was ready for FTC.

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- Ashley following Rob around for the whole challenge was pretty hacks. I would have been really pissed if she managed to win. 
 - Natalie has been doing really poorly at challenges lately. The fact that she doesn't have the mind to figure them out nicely parallels the fact that she doesn't really have a mind for the game of Survivor either. Her later quote, "I would rather lose this game than lose a friend in Ashley," is pretty good proof of that. 
 - I loved Rob's celebration. It may have been early, but he was definitely celebrating having finally won the million dollars at this point. 
 - Seeing Andrea all cleaned up on the jury for the first time was a real disappointment. She lost all of her jungle hotness. 
 - Phillip is actually sort of likeable when he isn't so crazy. His comment about never having won any challenges was pretty funny. 

Agreed on all of this.  Especially Andrea and her jungle hotness.  I mean:

(https://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/19200000/Andrea-Boehlke-survivor-19249353-333-500.jpg)

(https://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20000000/Andrea-Boehlke-survivor-20004985-595-893.jpg)

Oh my god.

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[Various conspiracy theories]

There's two big conspiracy theories:

 - Idiots were hired to allow Rob and Russell to win.

I don't buy this.  Like, I know it's lame to keep saying, but people keep underestimating how difficult a task Rob pulled off in this game.  Because he made winning look easy, people are assuming it actually was easy when it really wasn't.  For every advantage Rob had, he had an equally huge disadvantage, he was just able to neutralize them.  The cast for Redemption Island ended up the way it was because (a) they didn't want personalities that overshadowed Rob and Russell and (b) simply screwing up.  They didn't anticipate that Natalie would be so strategically inactive.  They thought she could be the nice young girl.  I think they figured the Zapatera tribe would be tougher and not so psychologically incapable of trying to win.

 - Redemption Island was put there to keep Rob and Russell in the game.

I don't think they minded this, but really they just wanted to copy Real World/Road Rules Challenge.

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- I was disappointed that there was no walk through the wilderness to reflect on the players voted out before them. I always felt that was a nice touch. Have they ever not done that before? 

I dunno.  You can find this scene on the internet though.  It was probably cut for the Redemption Island segment.

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- Natalie's opening argument was phenomenally weak. 

I disagree.  Relative to her crappy game, I thought it was pretty encouraging.  She seemed likable and like she tried to do something, even if it wasn't much.  Then she killed herself as FTC went on.

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- Ralph is wearing a very Russell-esque fedora. 
 - I love how confident Phillip is in what he says. I can't believe how he can just keep talking at every Tribal Council despite the jury members constantly facepalming noticeably. 
 - Rob, conversely, has a fantastic opening argument. 
 - Andrea, to Phillip: "You...are weird." Awesome. 
 - I don't know what the hell Phillip thought he was doing insulting the jury members back. 
 - Mike was a very respectful and respectable jury member. It was a nice change. 
 - Ralph, to Phillip: "Do you like me?" Me: "...the fuck?" 
 - This whole Tribal Council was a real shitfest on Phillip and Natalie. I was surprised at how vocal people were in their dislike of Natalie. 

Yep on all of that.  Especially the people disliking Natalie.  Riding coattails is such an all-in strategy on this show.  Either it works perfectly and you kill the guy who did the dirty work, or you look lazy and stupid.  I dunno, I just didn't think she was a bad person.

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- There's a strange theme running through this final Tribal Council: The notion of the jury questioning who the finalists really were. 

This happened with Rob's All-Star Jury appearance too.  For some reason he brings out bitterness in the contestants.  He's one of the few players that actually understands it's a game for a million dollars, not a place to make relationships.  And then ironically he married Amber.  Which is kinda funny.  Because all these people criticize Rob for being so cold and inhuman on Survivor, and yet he has the most successful personal relationship with a contestant he played with.  Irony is thick man.

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- By this point, I was starting to wonder if Rob would win with a unanimous vote. I thought it was unlikely but definitely possible. Has that ever happened before on Survivor? 

Wikipedia tells me Earl on Fiji and J.T on Tocantins.

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- Phillip's little speech must have really pumped up Ralph's ego to secure a vote from him. So much for unanimity. At least Ralph gave us one last laugh with his vote for "Phile". 

I totally predicted that Ralph would vote Phillip after their weird little moment.

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- It must have been a tough feeling for Natalie sitting there like that (and even taking a direct question from Jeff) and knowing that she won't win. 
 - Even though it was just Ralph, it was kind of funny that there was one person who felt that Phillip deserved a million dollars for how he played. 
 - Natalie actually seemed pretty nervous. She must have been struggling with the live TV experience. 

All true.  I felt bad for her.

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- The whole exchange about Grant not returning Rob's calls was pretty awkward. I was really surprised at how bitter Grant was. Rob even admitted in a confession last episode about how hard it was for him to make that decision. I really figured that Grant would have understood. 

I think Grant was really sad.  I'm not sure Probst should have brought that up.

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- Jeff's comment about how so many people dislike his opinions was rather odd. 

He's very much on the pulse of internet opinion about the show.  And, like many people, he isn't reacting perfectly.  People who disagree with you on the internet are either idiots, which means they shouldn't bother you, or they have a legitimate point that you should actually take seriously and not as a personal insult.

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- Rob may have played a great game, but it definitely wasn't perfect. If he was playing for the first time, it would have been pretty perfect. 

That makes no sense.  If a three year old and a thirty-three year old both count from one to ten with no mistakes, they both perfectly counted to ten.  The three year old is more impressive, but that doesn't make the older guy somehow less good.

Also, Colby played twice before HvV and then didn't have much in the tank his third time.  It's more emotionally disappointing that he checked out, but his previous experience doesn't make his game better or worse either.

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- But there were several instances in which he could have and probably should have been voted out. I'm really starting to believe in my sheep theory: It was a season of Rob vs. Russell designed to allow one of them to win by casting some incredibly stupid players. Yeah, not everyone sucked, and the season pre-merger was pretty interesting. But even though I was cheering for Rob for most of the game, after Matt was blindsided again, the rest of the season really sucked. I mean, last season wasn't great, but I still felt good when Fabio won. Sure, it was Rob, one of the people I was cheering for, who won, but on the whole, this season has left me feeling extremely unsatisfied. 

Rob won because he played a transcendentally great game.  Russell didn't and he got annihilated.  The quality of opponents isn't irrelevant but if you're good you're good and if you suck you suck.

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- I was also really surprised at Russell's bitterness, particularly at Steve. It seemed awfully over the top. (Disclaimer: I really know nothing about Russell because I didn't see seasons 19 or 20.) 

I saw him on Season 20, so I'm not surprised.  And for what it's worth he was completely right.  Everything about Zapatera's decision was stupid and wrong.  And his calling out of Steve specifically was right on.  None of this of course excuses the multiple crappy things Russell has said and done.

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- Russell definitely should have stuck to his words on the island and said "toss my phone number". I don't care if I've only seen him once, a fourth season would be too much. He should not come back. 

Not yet, but a couple years down the line I'd be interested in seeing him on another All-Star season.  I wonder if he could improve his strategic game?

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- It was nice to see Phillip apologize to Steve. 

It was a legitimately nice moment.

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- Oh man, I was pissing myself laughing at Phillip's army picture. 
 - So after all this, Phillip turned out to be a former federal agent after all. So why the question mark? What it effectively means is that, conspiracy theories and Phillip's behaviour aside, the Survivor producers altered their viewers' opinions - probably substantially - by adding that little question mark after "formal federal agent". Did it affect the game? No. But it misled the viewers to a certain degree, which to me detracts from a program that is billed as reality TV. Yeah, it probably helped boost ratings to some extent (probably only slightly, but ratings are ratings) but I ultimately just end up doubting the show's masterminds, which I shouldn't have to. 

I too loved the army picture.  And I get why they did the question mark - it was entertaining.  They didn't know, we didn't know, so it was fun.

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- I'm surprised that Rob won the fan favourite award. I really thought that an influx of pity votes would have ensured a victory for Matt. Jeff's comment about the $100,000 being a shopping spree for Amber was really stupid and immature. 

I don't feel that harshly about Probst's comment, but I know what you mean.  Rob doesn't seem to live a bad life, but these shows are his actual income, not bonus fun spending money.  Honestly this wasn't a great Probst reunion show.  A little too flippant about everything going on.

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- David's comments about his relationship were strange and rather awkward. I definitely was not expecting a proposal to come from that. I also definitely thought she was going to say no. Her face, her words, her entire demeanour - it all seemed to point towards no. Ah well, good for them. 

I haven't even watched it.  It's too awkward.

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- So...next season is going to be exactly the same as last season? How lame. Besides the highly unlikely scenario I outlined a few posts back, does anyone have any thoughts as to who the two returning players might be? Anyone heard any rumours? Oh man, can you imagine all the fans ragequitting on Survivor if Russell came back next season to try again? Obviously it would never happen in a million years, but it'd still be funny in a horrendous kind of way. 

I'd be there will be at least one female returning cast member.  I'd like Amanda Kimmel, but who knows.  Cirie might get another shot, or someone else from the Heroes vs. Villains season.  I get the impression it's two players who haven't won yet.

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- Maybe Redemption Island 2 is being done so that, when one of the two returning players doesn't win, people will be more likely to dismiss the sheep theory. </moreconspiracytheories> 

No.  Probst likes the drama of it.  And the ratings for this season weren't bad, so they're gonna keep rolling with it.  I just hope the overall cast is better.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on May 16, 2011, 02:42:13 PM
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- It's official. Jeff included the phrase "one shot" in every single one of his Redemption Island dual preambles. 

"You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow.  This opportunity comes once in a lifetime."

Yeah, I seem to remember setrataeso mentioning that one recent season (possibly this one, I forget) originally opened with Jeff intentionally referencing the song constantly but then he cut it because it was too cheesy.

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- Unlike the other players, Rob doesn't have a title beside his name (ex: student, formal federal agent?, etc.). I wonder why. 

Because reality shows are more or less his job now.

I kinda figured that might be why.

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- By this point, I was starting to wonder if Rob would win with a unanimous vote. I thought it was unlikely but definitely possible. Has that ever happened before on Survivor? 

Wikipedia tells me Earl on Fiji and J.T on Tocantins.

Goddamn. I know it isn't your fault, but I've been watching Tocantins on the side and I was only a couple of episodes away from the finale. I guess it won't be a surprise then.

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- Oh man, I was pissing myself laughing at Phillip's army picture. 
 - So after all this, Phillip turned out to be a former federal agent after all. So why the question mark? What it effectively means is that, conspiracy theories and Phillip's behaviour aside, the Survivor producers altered their viewers' opinions - probably substantially - by adding that little question mark after "formal federal agent". Did it affect the game? No. But it misled the viewers to a certain degree, which to me detracts from a program that is billed as reality TV. Yeah, it probably helped boost ratings to some extent (probably only slightly, but ratings are ratings) but I ultimately just end up doubting the show's masterminds, which I shouldn't have to. 

I too loved the army picture.  And I get why they did the question mark - it was entertaining.  They didn't know, we didn't know, so it was fun.

But they did know. There's no way they'd let anyone on Survivor without an extensive background check.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 16, 2011, 04:25:31 PM
Goddamn. I know it isn't your fault, but I've been watching Tocantins on the side and I was only a couple of episodes away from the finale. I guess it won't be a surprise then.

Oh god, I'm so sorry. 

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But they did know. There's no way they'd let anyone on Survivor without an extensive background check.

Interesting point.  I wonder how extensive the Survivor background check is?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2011, 05:31:41 PM
I agree that the walk-through where they remember all of the ones who had been voted out was missed.  I always like that part of the final episode.  

And Amanda Kimmel...she was the worst ever at final TC speeches (she could have been in Rob's position last night and blown it), but she sure is nice to look at:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/kevshmev/amandasurvivor.gif)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 16, 2011, 05:37:44 PM
Fun Amanda fact - She's 5'11''   :hefdaddy :heart :heart :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on May 16, 2011, 06:13:29 PM
I don't want to see anyone from Redemption Island back yet.  Wait at least a season.

Until this past fall, I hadn't watched Survivor in five and a half years, having watched the first eight seasons as a child and then stopping. As such, I don't remember much about them. When setrataeso got me watching again in the fall, I watched seasons 21 and 22, and have watched most of seasons 1 and 18 online as well.

One of the main reasons I mentioned Marty and David was because they're the most defined and freshest characters in my mind at this point that fit the bill in that scenario. I was just trying to fill in the blanks creatively.

Well, with David, look at it this way, once his fiancee breaks up with him in a few months, he'll have the fire to really tear through Survivor 24 with a vengeance.  Now that will be television!

I don't think that's the case dude.
Carolina ADORES David. I have David on Facebook, and for the past few months just about everything he's posted or done on Facebook, Carolina has responded with " :heart :heart :heart Love you babe! Can't wait for the future with you! xoxox!"
I think it's pretty presumptuous to say they will break up, so I would stop right now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 16, 2011, 07:10:11 PM
I don't think that's the case dude.
Carolina ADORES David. I have David on Facebook, and for the past few months just about everything he's posted or done on Facebook, Carolina has responded with " :heart :heart :heart Love you babe! Can't wait for the future with you! xoxox!"
I think it's pretty presumptuous to say they will break up, so I would stop right now.

You seem to be taking this a little personally.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2011, 08:26:05 PM
Facebook status updates and/or replies are ALWAYS a true indicator of how a relationship is going! :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on May 16, 2011, 09:19:46 PM
I don't think that's the case dude.
Carolina ADORES David. I have David on Facebook, and for the past few months just about everything he's posted or done on Facebook, Carolina has responded with " :heart :heart :heart Love you babe! Can't wait for the future with you! xoxox!"
I think it's pretty presumptuous to say they will break up, so I would stop right now.

You seem to be taking this a little personally.

I think it's a low blow to say any relationship is going to end quickly. I take offense because I actually like David.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on May 16, 2011, 09:22:16 PM

  • Seeing Andrea all cleaned up on the jury for the first time was a real disappointment. She lost all of her jungle hotness.


Wat.
I don't think I've ever had a boner the way I did for post-game Andrea.



Also, in the preview for Survivor South Pacific, you can distinguish a few past characters from the clips they used.

I was able to discern:
Erik Reichenbach (aka Ice Cream Scooper Erik) from Survivor Micronesia
Sierra Reid and Candace Smith from Survivor Tocantins
I think I saw Natalie Tenerelli from Survivor Redemption Island
As well as an indistinguishable male Survivor in a swimming clip.

There's no way Natalie or Candace are coming back.
Sierra is a maybe, but I don't think she has the fan support for that.

Ice Cream Scooper Erik is who I have my money on. In Jeff's blog a few weeks ago, he mentioned Erik and how he is a character that would deserve a shot at "redemption". Considering the whole redemption theme is going to play into bringing these players back, Erik is the PERFECT embodiment of what they want to accomplish with Redemption Island.
The only question is who would join Erik?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 17, 2011, 02:23:11 AM
Survivor Cook Islands Time (RELENTLESS SPOILERING OF ALL THINGS IN THE SEASON)








Episode 1

 - Holy god Yul Kwon is a smart guy.  And he's seemingly a physical monster.  No wonder he won.
 - Even commenting on the tribes feels awkward because of the racial divide.  My only solution is to just be honest.
 - I like the Asian and Latino tribes the most.  They feel the most personally balanced and are just fun to watch.  The white tribe is... okay.  The writer guy is an okay leader, but otherwise I'm just not into them.  Candice and Adam aren't big personalities, and I'm still not sure what I think of the goth chick.  I enjoy the way Parvati the boxer looks though.  She had an edge to her that she lost when she went all yoga on us.
 - I refuse to judge the black tribe until I see what happens with Sekou voted out.  They've just been very dysfunctional so far.
 - Awesome first challenge BTW.

Episode 2

 - While I think Yul is a little less ruthless toward other people than Boston Rob, based on the final result of the game it essentially seems like he found a Natalie to come with him in Natalie.  A weaker personality with a strong personal bond.  She even said that she thought of him as a bigger brother in Korean terms.  And if I understand Korean culture correctly, these kinds of family roles mean a lot.
 - The writer guy coming back from Exile Island and taking over the white tribe was kinda awkward.  Like someone said, things such as putting in a new floor should be a group decision.
 - I appreciate The Cowboy, but he does go too far.  There's a difference between self-deprecation and letting other people think you suck, and he seems to not even recognize this territory exists.  He's drifting into Coach/Phillip territory.
 - Can't believe the Latin tribe threw the challenge.  Cristina was right, you want to win and be on top and have a sense of team dynamic.  Now the Latin tribe's bitter and the other three will be more pumped to win.  Please no one tell me there are other seasons where tribes throw challenges, and I hope it never happens again.  It's a terrible move.
 - The Asian tribe on the other hand is so good.  They had their walk across the rope bridge coordinated so beautifully.  And then when Yul was sent to Exile Island (a good move), they made sure he had supplies so his time would be better.  I could watch these guys Pagong the other tribes and not complain, even though I doubt it will happen.
 - Even though it wasn't under the most honest of circumstances, I felt happy for the black tribe having a good moment after a terrible first episode.
 - I love how Yul solved Exile island before the sun even set.  The guy is really smart.
 - Oh man.  Billy's thing for Candice is sad and disturbing.  Between that and his total lack of work ethic around camp, he needs to go.  Candice was just being nice man.
 - Side note: I like the tribal council set for this season a lot.
 - Look, Billy, dude, I don't think a Heavy Metal tribe would approve of your laziness and... whateveritisness either.
 - Good season so far, but now I must sleep.

Episode 3
 - For the one or two people who read this, and the people who just generally think I'm nuts, I figure it's worth pointing out that these long bullet-point lists of what's happening in the game are just as much for my comprehension and processing of the events as they are anyone else.
 - Cowboy is definitely reaching the Coach/Phillip level.  My mom had an idea of making a tribe of all people like Coach and Phillip, and it's possible there are enough guys like Coach, Cowboy, and Phillip to make this tribe.  I'd so watch that season.
 - This tribe switch is interesting to watch, but not really good from the perspective of a game.  When things are too random, it's impossible to have any sort of real long term strategy, making the game almost purely about tactics.  Not so fun to watch intellectually.
 - OMG LOVED the squishing the eggs thing.  Great twist in terms of the game and as something cinematic.
 - Good lord Parvati is hot.  I want to remind you of this because you might have forgotten it.
 - I really enjoyed the part where they told Candice about Billy's crush.  The strategy is the soul of the game, but the heart is the contestants being together as people, and I love scenes where they're interacting.
 - The Jonathan/Candice/Yul/Becky/Flicka alliance has a lot of potential.  Flicka has to know Jonathan is one of the only players who really wants her around right?  Plus Becky and Yul would probably be really accepting.  I hope she doesn't mess it up.
 - Becky's a little more like Amber than Natalie.  She can actually do work/relay information/have her own opinion while still being loyal.  I hope Yul telling her about the idol works out.  It's a decent thing to do and a great way to solidify a real twosome.
 - I kinda thought Nate was a cool guy, then he went out and got the Octopus and just had a great and fun attitude about it.  I hope he doesn't turn around and start sucking somehow.
 - Parvati's starting to figure out her game a little.  She has the flirt button on maximum power right now.
 - I love the Yul/Jonathan alliance.  They play hard, they play smart, and they care about loyalty.  Flicka bummed me out, she doesn't realize they're there to play a game.  Oddly, I think she and Cowboy might have made the wrong voting choice.  Two of the best players in the game now have a lot of power.  You have Ozzy on your side, so it's not like you're screwing yourself in a merge.  To be honest, I'm not sure how many other people on the island view Yul as a strong player because he isn't a strong personality like Jonathan or even Ozzie.
 - I'm really enjoying this season so far.  I feel like it's working on emotional levels I haven't seen from the other seasons, while still containing a lot of smart players, interesting personalities, and good game play.

Episode 4
 - I hate Ozzy's sudden lack of competitive edge.  Keep fighting man!
 - Candace played a little too dumb there.  I was with it until she said she didn't even think about missing tribal council, which is basically impossible.  Also, I read somewhere that Yul covered his tracks after he had found the idol.  Smart move.
 - I hate the guys on the blue tribe (Not Yul's) being lazy because they know they can be.  I hope they get killed in a vote.  I mean, maybe they can logically justify not being tired, but how is being disliked ever a good thing on this game?
(to be continued)
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Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 02, 2011, 01:35:15 PM
The returning castaways for the next season have been discovered:

Spoiler (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_south_pacific/2011_Jun_02_coach_ozzy_returning)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on June 02, 2011, 03:42:05 PM
On Survivor Sucks, it seems like most think this is still a red herring. How many so-called "confirmed" returning players have we had so far? Mike, David, Matt, Andrea, Phillip, Coach, Erik, Ozzy, Natalie, Marty, Jane, the list goes on.

That being said, if this is true, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. At Rob and Russell were on the same season. These two have never played with each other.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 02, 2011, 04:26:26 PM
I really like Coach, and Ozzy is Survivor's greatest swimmer ever. If it is true, it could be interesting.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on June 02, 2011, 04:59:11 PM
I really like Coach, and Ozzy is one of Survivor's most bitter jurors ever and is a partial reason why many recent jurors have been bitter as well.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on June 02, 2011, 04:59:48 PM
Just read about that long open letter to Jeff Probst and his response on Survivor Sucks (was linked from Cozmo's article). As much as I understand (and, in some cases, side with) a lot of the criticism he faces, his responses were for the most part pretty logical. What he ignored from the letter was telling, though. I was also impressed with how involved he was (outside his contract) with the show. Not being a hardcore fan, I had no idea.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on June 02, 2011, 05:02:34 PM
Just read about that long open letter to Jeff Probst and his response on Survivor Sucks (was linked from Cozmo's article). As much as I understand (and, in some cases, side with) a lot of the criticism he faces, his responses were for the most part pretty logical. What he ignored from the letter was telling, though. I was also impressed with how involved he was (outside his contract) with the show. Not being a hardcore fan, I had no idea.

Yeah, I'll give Jeff credit on really making Survivor relevant again, but he ignored one thing I really wanted answered, which was why they keep bringing returning players back when it takes away from the trust they have in the new players, essentially saying "you are not good enough to draw ratings". I wanted Jeff to address that, but no such luck.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on June 05, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Showing my Survivor love with a new avatar ;)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on June 06, 2011, 12:15:10 AM
Unreal.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 06, 2011, 08:34:02 AM
Very nice.  NOw that we've got a wait until the new Survivor, I look forward to Big Brother starting in July.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 06, 2011, 10:00:05 AM
I never really got into Big Brother.  Maybe I'll give it a shot this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on June 06, 2011, 05:54:46 PM
I just started watching last season's Big Brother as a way to familiarize myself with the show.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on June 07, 2011, 11:02:48 AM
I just started watching last season's Big Brother as a way to familiarize myself with the show.

How come? Just looking for a new show to get into?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on June 07, 2011, 03:08:02 PM
I just started watching last season's Big Brother as a way to familiarize myself with the show.

How come? Just looking for a new show to get into?

Yeah, there's not much on in the summer. Plus Rob podcasts about Big Brother as well, so I might as well put another reality show into my schedule.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 07, 2011, 06:23:03 AM
New Survivor rumor for the coming season:  Link (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_south_pacific/2011_Jul_01_brandon_hantz)

Also, if anyone's interested, Big Brother starts tonight!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on July 07, 2011, 09:14:42 AM
Yeah Survivor Sucks is abuzz with the Hantz rumours.
I wonder if Brandon Hantz is going to spoil the seasons like Russell did :P

And yay Big Brother! I'm cheering for Heavy Metal Adam.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 07, 2011, 07:08:54 PM
Adam seems kinda cool. I'm so excited!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on August 29, 2011, 03:24:12 PM
Cast bios and vids are up.
Some cool peeps this time around.

Also, the two returnees have been officially announced. As though we didn't know already...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 22, 2011, 02:14:28 PM
I'm not sure who's more of an unstable loose cannon.  Russell Hantz or Brandon Hantz.  That dude has some SERIOUS fucking issues.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on September 22, 2011, 02:26:32 PM
I'm not sure who's more of an unstable loose cannon.  Russell Hantz or Brandon Hantz.  That dude has some SERIOUS fucking issues.

"She's attractive and that threatens me, better vote her out." :facepalm:

On another note, I don't see why he doesn't just admit he's Russell's nephew. Just because they're related doesn't mean they're anything alike. It'll be impossible for him to hide it forever and when the news breaks (probably next episode, based on the preview) people will just end up losing their trust in him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on September 22, 2011, 05:35:54 PM
Brandon is weirder than Coach. I never thought I would say that...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on September 22, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
It's the most... wonderful time.... of the year!!!  Survivor's back.  And I'm back with shorter and more readable posts:

 - My favorite player is Jim, the medical marijuana guy.  He's ridiculously smart and competitive while still having fun.  Always something I want to see.

 - I was really surprised by how effectively coach put his tribe together after the disastrous first challenge.

 - I looked up Hanoi Tower puzzle on the internet and learned how to do it.  I feel smart now.

 - Ozzy's really smart about what other people are thinking... but as a strategist he's pretty weak.  Semhar was a poison, she needed to go badly.  Cochran is Cochran, but he doesn't cause conflict and fill you with rage.  No idea why Ozzy wanted Semhar on board other than her looks.

 - Semhar was a bummer.  I really thought she'd be a great player, then the challenge happened.  Oh god.

 - Lots of meta stuff in this game.  Brandon Hantz (who's super creepy), Cochran talking about how he's a fan of the game, and (my favorite moment), as the red tribe walks away one of them was like "and now Probst is going to say I've got nothing for you, you suck ass." 

 - Overall, I like where this is going.  It might not keep going that way, but for now it seems like a solid cast and there's some good storylines.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: energythief on September 22, 2011, 08:20:00 PM
Really unpredictable people so far, I always love when a tribe can't get their shit together - makes for very exciting tribal councils. Brendon has got some serious demons - trying vote out that chick just because he can't control his lustful impulses? He's got no filter either - he's going to become a major liability soon, Coach needs to cut him loose.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2011, 09:43:13 AM
Coach is still full of shit with his "playing the game with honor" talk, but he seems more level-headed than before, so he might have a chance. 

Brandon is creepy.  Like he'd have a chance with Mikayla anyway, but the way he is acting concerning her is creepy and bizarre.  I mean, has she even flirted with any guy in a way that would make the Parvati comparison legitimate?

Ozzy is not very smart. 

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 23, 2011, 09:51:29 AM
I was a little baffled at the Parvati comparison.  It's almost like just because she's cute and has a rockin' body, he automatically assumes that she's going to blue ball everybody all the way to the finale.  WTF?  As you've indicated, she doesn't seem to have shown any signs that she'd act that way.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on September 23, 2011, 12:14:30 PM
Fellas, I believe Brandon compared her to "Poverty".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Global Laziness on September 23, 2011, 02:56:21 PM
Fellas, I believe Brandon compared her to "Poverty".

Ohhhhhhh now I get it. I actually thought he was rambling about poverty. :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 23, 2011, 04:10:55 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on September 24, 2011, 12:44:03 AM
Guys, guys.  I am absolutely positively a totally unabashed fan of Coach 3.0.  He demolished - DEMOLISHED - Stacie and Christine at Tribal council and enjoyed the carnage with a brilliantly satisfied smile.  I so enjoyed laughing with glee while simultaneously appreciating his moves.  Hopefully this guy sticks around.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on September 24, 2011, 05:55:41 AM
Yeah Coach 3.0 is playing pretty well so far. I think he should have kept his cards closer to his chest at the last tribal council, but Brandon ended up being the one burying everyone, so Coach looks pretty good by comparison.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on October 06, 2011, 09:46:11 AM
Oh god.  Please stop Brandon from having more screen time.  Watching him is so awkward.  I know reality TV is about taking people who aren't self-aware and letting us see them let loose.  But people like the Jersey Shore cast at least enjoy it and get something out of it (money and fame, however fleeting).  Brandon's going to look like a psycho on TV, get a few thousand dollars, have a really awkward reunion show... and that's it.  This is legitimately somewhat horrible.  He has real mental issues he needs to work out. 

Even if you don't care about any of that, it's not interesting to watch.  We get it, he's deeply conflicted between his sense of morality, excessive need to represent his family, and the fact that he's pre-disposed to do things that are immoral and stupid.  It's not really developing, just getting more extreme and awkward.

Also, it's always a little creepy to watch someone who might go into a fit of rage and become physically dangerous to the other contestants.  I want to be able to watch Survivor and walk away with legitimate insights into the human condition, but it has to be at least a little fun.  The budding moment where he start smacking around Mikayla while Coach restrains him just sounds horrible.

Remember how in Jersey Shore they edited out the Snookie punch after enough people complained?  Can they go back and re-edit any episodes with Brandon?  Please?  For everyone's sake.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 06, 2011, 09:57:24 AM
I love Coach 3.0 also.  To see him get irritated, almost pissed at Brandon last night was refreshing.  Brandon is a creep, plain and simple.  He has serious issues, as noted and needs to GTFO.  The kinda stress he's under isn't good.  Sugar, from earlier seasons, attempted suicide after being voted off of HvV (granted she's got problems anyway, but still).

I'm glad Dawn won the immunity challenge last night, showing that, despite being the old person, she could still redeem herself as worthy to the tribe.  Glad Stacey is gone.  Good riddance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on October 12, 2011, 02:26:32 PM
I hope Cochran, Dawn and Jim can pull their coup d'etat on Ozzy and Elyse. I'm far more interested in seeing those 3 go far than the other 4.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 12, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
I hope Cochran, Dawn and Jim can pull their coup d'etat on Ozzy and Elyse. I'm far more interested in seeing those 3 go far than the other 4.
This needs to happen. I don't understand what Ozzies alliance participants are even thinking. They've seen how dominant Ozzy can be in an individual environment....why even take him to the merge and give him an opportunity to continually win individual immunity or form a deeper alliance?
  We know that they all were able to witness Rob run his tribe and alliance last season...so why allow Ozzy any bit of control? It's mind boggling that either tribe has kept the former contestants around. I don't care if they've been there and done that. One, that's the main reason they should go is because of 'game' experience, and two...it's not like they are really having to Survive. CBS all but gives them the 3 essentials (food, water, fire) You don't need an experienced player to help you 'Survive'. Anyway, back to your point....there needs to be some sort of major blind side like that where a Key player like Ozzy is just nailed with no warning.
 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 20, 2011, 11:41:22 AM
**SPOILERS**


Wow, so last night, huh?  Christine is a bitter, sour grapes bitch.  Granted, she has reason to be to some degree, but flipping off the old tribemate who was trying to encourage her?  Classless.  Any remote feelings of sympathy I had for her went away last night.  I'd so hoped Elyse would beat her.  Might have if she hadn't kncked one of her own pucks off.

The immunity challenge was once again damn good.  Very well thought out challenge.  Which Upolu could've won if Mikayla would've either 1) listened to them and used both hands or 2) listened to them and sat out.  "I got this, Coach!"  YOU AIN'T GOT SHIT!  She probably single-handedly cost them that challenge.  I was glad to see her go.  Then at Tribal Council, she kinda acted surprised that anyone would think she had something to do with them losing.  Delusional.

Speaking of delusional DUMP BRANDON IMMEDIATELY.  Coach called him a loose cannon.  Bullshit.  Brandon is an entire artillery regiment of loose cannons.  That guy couldn't keep his mouth shut at tribal council if you super glued it shut.  SO annoying.

Then there's Ozzy who was all "free agent", then realized "That was kinda dumb, huh?"  If it hadn't been for Mikayla fucking up every single shot, Savaii would've been BACK at Tribal Council, possibly dumping Ozzy.  They were so very far behind, but how they ever managed to come back and win is just amazing.

Based on the previews, next week's immunity challenge looks like it's gonna be a pretty good one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 20, 2011, 02:25:55 PM
Coach is the most delusional person to have ever played the show.  He doesn't have the least bit of honor or integrity, yet he actually thinks he has lots of both.

As for the challenge, Coach sucked at it as well, so him getting so pissed at Mikayla for not doing well either was a joke.  Between him and Brandon, this season is becoming almost unwatchable.

Ozzy has never been a smart strategic player, but a provider and a good competitor in challenges, which is showing again this season.

Christine really should try to hide some of his bitterness, but I'd tell the tribe that voted me out to take a flying leap as well. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 26, 2011, 08:48:47 PM
SPOILER-ish



Oh. Holy. Shit.

Ozzy must have balls the size of church bells.  He will either have pulled off the most brilliant move ever or he will end up making the most completely untoppable Survivor fuck up ever.  I just can't believe it.  Plus next week's preview of the Redemption duel, shows that it's a repeat of the a previous duel from last season's Redemption Island.  One that doesn't rely much on strength, speed, or swimming.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: bobs23 on October 27, 2011, 09:37:51 AM
SPOILER-ish



Oh. Holy. Shit.

Ozzy must have balls the size of church bells.  He will either have pulled off the most brilliant move ever or he will end up making the most completely untoppable Survivor fuck up ever.  I just can't believe it.  Plus next week's preview of the Redemption duel, shows that it's a repeat of the a previous duel from last season's Redemption Island.  One that doesn't rely much on strength, speed, or swimming.
The outcome of the Redemption duel is quite good. As a matter of fact, next weeks episode is fairly epic.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 27, 2011, 10:12:28 AM
SPOILER-ish



Oh. Holy. Shit.

Ozzy must have balls the size of church bells.  He will either have pulled off the most brilliant move ever or he will end up making the most completely untoppable Survivor fuck up ever.  I just can't believe it.  Plus next week's preview of the Redemption duel, shows that it's a repeat of the a previous duel from last season's Redemption Island.  One that doesn't rely much on strength, speed, or swimming.
The outcome of the Redemption duel is quite good. As a matter of fact, next weeks episode is fairly epic.
Dude, it's known that you have an inside scoop so I need to ask in all seriosness. Is this show 100% legit as far as 'reality'? Some of the recent seasons just seem to be working out in a 'to good to be true' scenario as far as conflict/interesting plot etc, just 'made for TV' stuff. It has me teetering on if the producers and behind the scenes kind of lead people one way or the other....almost choreograph it to provide an interesting product.
  I guess there is no way that if that were the case you'd say 'Oh yeah it's all made up' but can you give some sort of indication either way?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: bobs23 on October 27, 2011, 10:49:55 AM
No, it is legit. They actually work pretty hard at not interfering. About the closest thing to a set up is for tribal, the producers will feed Jeff info on things that happened earlier for discussion at tribal.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 27, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
I think Probst generally does a great job, but I hate when he blatantly points out when someone messes up or is struggling in challenge.  It is like he is throwing that person to the wolves and casting all blame on them for when things aren't going well.  Also, there are occasional challenges that focus on balance and concentration, and he is watching and talking the whole time.  I'd be like, "Jeff, it'd be a lot easier to focus and concentrate if you would shut the hell up." :lol

As for last night's episode, I just saw watched it, and while I think Ozzy's move is a bold one, why did he give Cochran the II?  I would have given it to someone else.  I mean, Cochran is under no obligation to give it back, right?  And Coach making a big deal about praying came off as way too much.  "Everyone, on your knees!" :mehlin :mehlin :mehlin Gimme a break.  See, this is why a lot of non-believers hate believers, because of douches like Coach who force their beliefs on everyone else.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 27, 2011, 11:49:21 AM
  And Coach making a big deal about praying came off as way too much.  "Everyone, on your knees!" :mehlin :mehlin :mehlin Gimme a break.  See, this is why a lot of non-believers hate believers, because of douches like Coach who force their beliefs on everyone else.
Good Point. Mywife and I are Christian, and the whole 'God' thing Coach and Brandon although their intentions are good....like you said, non believers who aren't in to it and are looking for more examples of why they aren't are getting plenty from them.
  Don Davis, the former linebacker for the Rams and Patriots spoke at our church a couple weeks ago and his theme was Christians who are 'over saved' acting just like those two are. It's embarassing actually.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 27, 2011, 12:01:07 PM
Also, there are occasional challenges that focus on balance and concentration, and he is watching and talking the whole time.  I'd be like, "Jeff, it'd be a lot easier to focus and concentrate if you would shut the hell up." :lol

Oh, holy shit, this.  EVERY time there's a concentration challenge, I'm like "STFU Probst!!"  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on October 28, 2011, 11:07:15 AM
Jeff seems to really be giving Cochran a hard time.
Every tribal council they are at, Jeff always has to have a moment where he goes "So Cochran, uh...how come you suck so much?" or "Cochran, are you normally this terrible at life?"
Jeff, can you lay off the guy for 2 seconds?

This past episode was very strange though...that montage after the challange of Upolu praying, and Ozzy flipping his shit...I was confused what the point of all that was...it was intense.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 28, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
Am I the only one who's really kinda creeped out by Cochran?  Every time there's a closeup on him, the look on his face creeps me out, like behind the geeky exterior, he's really a mass-murderer on the run or something.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: tjanuranus on October 29, 2011, 12:16:33 AM
Am I the only one who's really kinda creeped out by Cochran?  Every time there's a closeup on him, the look on his face creeps me out, like behind the geeky exterior, he's really a mass-murderer on the run or something.

You should be, you really should be.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 29, 2011, 04:43:03 PM
Jeff seems to really be giving Cochran a hard time.
He deserves it.

Can't wait for next week's episode.

bob, do you work on the show?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: bobs23 on October 29, 2011, 05:16:11 PM
Jeff seems to really be giving Cochran a hard time.
He deserves it.

Can't wait for next week's episode.

bob, do you work on the show?
Yes, since season one
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 29, 2011, 05:22:07 PM
Sweet.  That's really cool.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on October 29, 2011, 06:36:48 PM
Jeff seems to really be giving Cochran a hard time.
He deserves it.

How so?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2011, 08:37:14 PM
Kinda like with dogs.  If you show fear, they'll tear you all to shit.  Show them you're in charge and they'll obey.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 29, 2011, 08:40:14 PM
Yeah, he invites it.  He annoys the piss out of me.  He's such a huge fan of the show and has memorized all the facts and figures, and never once stopped to think that he has none of the qualities that enable someone to really be able to play the game well and be successful.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on October 30, 2011, 03:45:36 PM
Yeah, he invites it.  He annoys the piss out of me.  He's such a huge fan of the show and has memorized all the facts and figures, and never once stopped to think that he has none of the qualities that enable someone to really be able to play the game well and be successful.

What qualities? There's no formula for winning Survivor. Anyone can win Survivor, and frankly Cochran is doing pretty good, all things considered. He's made it to the merge, basically, and he really will not be a target now. I'm impressed at his ability to make it this far. Granted, his game thus-far has involved a great deal of luck, but everyone who has won Survivor will tell you that luck plays a big factor.

Actually John Cochran's game reminds me a lot of Sandra's. He has a very "as long as it isn't me" view on tribal council, which was Sandra's M.O as well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 30, 2011, 06:34:01 PM
He is no physical presence whatsoever, which you can get away with if you have a great social game, but he doesn't have that either.  And his attempts to suck up to everyone by being the camp work bitch are just sad and embarassing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on October 30, 2011, 06:42:37 PM
He is no physical presence whatsoever, which you can get away with if you have a great social game, but he doesn't have that either.  And his attempts to suck up to everyone by being the camp work bitch are just sad and embarassing.

And yet despite all of that, he is still in the game. And him having no physical game is only going to help him post-merge. No one will see him as a threat.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 30, 2011, 06:44:40 PM
He is no physical presence whatsoever, which you can get away with if you have a great social game, but he doesn't have that either.  And his attempts to suck up to everyone by being the camp work bitch are just sad and embarassing.

And yet despite all of that, he is still in the game. And him having no physical game is only going to help him post-merge. No one will see him as a threat.
His being in the game is pure luck.  And I still don't understand why his new cabal voted out Ozzy's chippie instead of blindsiding Ozzy himself.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on October 30, 2011, 11:48:33 PM
He is no physical presence whatsoever, which you can get away with if you have a great social game, but he doesn't have that either.  And his attempts to suck up to everyone by being the camp work bitch are just sad and embarassing.

And yet despite all of that, he is still in the game. And him having no physical game is only going to help him post-merge. No one will see him as a threat.
His being in the game is pure luck.  And I still don't understand why his new cabal voted out Ozzy's chippie instead of blindsiding Ozzy himself.

Yeah, I thought that was a bad move too. Granted, it worked out well for them...they got Ozzy out and got a free immunity idol out of it.
I find it amusing how Ozzy wants so badly to wipe the stench of failure from Fans vs. Favorites, that goes and makes an even dumber move.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 30, 2011, 11:52:30 PM
I don't buy the idea that someone's strategy is working just because they are still in the game. Plenty of people have coasted their way and got far, but once it got down to the nitty-gritty, they bit the dust.  Several have even won the game.  Granted, flying under the radar can be a legit strategy (that gal who has played twice and won both times did that to a "t"...Sandra?), but some just bumble along and somehow avoid elimination for a while...like Cochran. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 02, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
I don't know what to think.  I'm really not sure if I like what just happened there.  Shifty, shifty fuck.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on November 02, 2011, 09:14:08 PM
I don't buy the idea that someone's strategy is working just because they are still in the game. Plenty of people have coasted their way and got far, but once it got down to the nitty-gritty, they bit the dust.  Several have even won the game.  Granted, flying under the radar can be a legit strategy (that gal who has played twice and won both times did that to a "t"...Sandra?), but some just bumble along and somehow avoid elimination for a while...like Cochran. 

That's what I said, Cochran is playing a Sandra game. "Just 3 more days..." was uttered by him at almost every tribal council, which was how Sandra played the game.
Also, it doesn't necessarily have to be strategy, but considering Cochran has survived multiple times being on the chopping block, he's clearly doing something right. Sure, he's fumbling and groveling his way through. Yes, you can say it was his tribemates who spared him every time, but he must have done something that made them want to keep him around.

On that note, this episode was unreal. I'm happy with Cochran's move. He flipped at the right time. He made a smart move in waiting for Ozzy to foolishly waste his idol, and then jump over to the side that still has an idol. I suppose Cochran could still get the John Fincher from Samoa treatment and get cut loose by his new allies at the next tribal council. Granted, that was with Russell, and I feel like regardless of what the preview shows, Albert and Sophie are not ruthless enough to cut Cochran loose with the numbers as close as they are.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: energythief on November 02, 2011, 10:14:54 PM
COCHRAN FUCK YEA - best possible move


My wife is so pissed, she called him every name in the book.   :laugh:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 03, 2011, 12:07:16 AM

That's what I said, Cochran is playing a Sandra game. "Just 3 more days..." was uttered by him at almost every tribal council, which was how Sandra played the game.
Also, it doesn't necessarily have to be strategy, but considering Cochran has survived multiple times being on the chopping block, he's clearly doing something right. Sure, he's fumbling and groveling his way through. Yes, you can say it was his tribemates who spared him every time, but he must have done something that made them want to keep him around.


Nah, it was more of a case of someone else doing something that made them NOT want to keep them around.  That is usually how under-the-radar people get far...someone else is usually giving the tribe a reason to vote them out.

I liked Cochran's move tonight, but instead of trying to apologize and saying, "I'll explain it," I'd tell them to eat shit. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 03, 2011, 06:21:53 AM
I truly don't believe he's going to be anymore than a tool for Upolu and once he's outlived his usefulness in getting rid of the Savaii, they'll cut him loose.  Cochran screwing Savaii, then apologizing does come off as wishy-washy.  If you're going to screw your tribe over, then jump in with both feet and tell them to fuck off.  Own it and live with any potential consequences.  He isn't capable of that, because he's SO paranoid and so much after ANYBODY'S approval.  I liked how Jim just flat out called him a coward.  Then white knight Brandon comes along and says not to talk to him like that and this is why he flipped.  Hey Brandon - kiss off.  You've got more issues than a fucking newsstand.  Nobody needs your $0.02.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2011, 08:49:06 AM
I like the fact that he flipped, if he hadn't it would have been your 'routine' merge...blah blah blah. That move makes it way more interesting. My only issue with it was like has been mentioned....Own that move Cochran. Don't apologize for it, don't feel bad or whatever.
  If survivor history remains true, there is no way that 6 strong alliance of Coach and the gang holds strong the rest of the way. Someone or multiple people are going to begin to make thier moves as well, Cochran was just the first to do so. That move by Cochran actually peeked my interest a lot more than had they just drew stones.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 03, 2011, 09:01:40 AM
In my mind, he went from 6th on the Savaii totem pole to 7th on the Upolu totem pole.  Also, rather unfortunately, your behavior in-game has a way of following you back home.  The "traitor" label could possibly haunt him for a while.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2011, 09:32:03 AM
In my mind, he went from 6th on the Savaii totem pole to 7th on the Upolu totem pole.  Also, rather unfortunately, your behavior in-game has a way of following you back home.  The "traitor" label could possibly haunt him for a while.
This is true. But, I don't buy that Upolu alliance will remain strong the whole way through. Somewhere..someone is going to want to make a move and Cochran will be the easy/obvious choice to include in that move as to not alert as few of people as possible in Upolu. If they do remain solid, well then you're right, once they've picked off all of Savaii Cochran will fall. But I just think there is a lot to happen in between then and now. All it takes is individual immunity to get won by the right/wrong person and it all changes.
 True Cochran will have to answer for that move, but it's not like past winners haven't pulled stunts like that before. Like I said, it made it a heck of a lot more interesting. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 03, 2011, 09:43:05 AM
Yep.  Immunity has a way of changing people.  Look what it did to Dawn last night.  She was gung-ho to join Cochran, but once she won immunity, it changed.  Yeah, she had time to reflect, but I'm sure immunity helped.  Immunity PLUS switching would put a HUGE target on her.  Morals be damned, you're out there to win a million bucks.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2011, 09:51:41 AM
  Morals be damned, you're out there to win a million bucks.
You can't win this show holding on to your morals. That's why I think I'd suck at it. I honestly don't think I could do some of the things these guys/gals have done to people for a million bucks. At some point in time you have to shaft someone in order to make it one more day. Even the most upright and 'moral' players who've won, still had two or three jury members that they had to face knowing they'd lied and backstabbed them.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 03, 2011, 09:57:16 AM
Absolutely.  It would be REALLY tough to pull off a win in a game like this (or Big Brother) and feel 100% good about every decision I made, DESPITE knowing that the other person would've done it to me if given the chance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2011, 10:03:10 AM
Absolutely.  It would be REALLY tough to pull off a win in a game like this (or Big Brother) and feel 100% good about every decision I made, DESPITE knowing that the other person would've done it to me if given the chance.
That's one thing that has always cracked me up about the reactions some of the contestants give. They are so SHOCKED and AMAZED that someone could do that to them. Really? Have you not watched the show ever before? It is full of nothing but deciet. That's the name of the game. It's not Outwit, Outplay, Outlast.....it's LIE, LIE, LIE. Whoever the best liar is usually does well. It is a bonus to have some physical ability and be able to solve some mid level mind puzzles, but in the end the people who primarily win are the folk who manipulate the truth the best.
 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 03, 2011, 10:08:24 AM
Can't argue with that.  I too am somewhat amazed that people are so shocked that they got stabbed in the back.  I ask the same thing "Have you NEVER seen this show before appearing on it??"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2011, 10:27:08 AM
Question: Hasn't past protocol been if/when an idol was played they insert a new idol into play? So I'm guessing that there will now be an additional Immunity Idol hidden about the camp with forthcoming 'clues'.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 03, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
Yep.  That's usually the case.  So I'd imagine we'll have some sort of clue show up next episode.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 03, 2011, 11:34:12 AM
Aha!  A deleted scene gives insight into Cochran's switch.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_south_pacific/2011_Nov_03_cochran-deleted-scene
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2011, 12:04:22 PM
Cool vid. Along with deleted scenes like this and admissions here and there from cast members in interviews and the live reveal shows at the end of the season that 'editing' has a lot to do with how they are percieved, it makes me curious as to all the actual on goings we've not been privy to.
 Like last season when it wasn't revealed until the live end of season winner show that Rob had told the other two girls he had the idol. But, during the season we were like "just blindside Rob' even though they knew they couldn't. Stuff like that looks to happen ALL the time. It'd be neat if Survivor would release all the photage after the season just to comb through it and see it all.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 03, 2011, 01:09:52 PM
It is never as simple as saying, "Cochran just went from 6th in one alliance to 7th in another."  Ideally, Coach's tribe would like to pick off the others and then ditch Cochran to get it down to the six of them, but it almost never works out that way.  Let's say they do starting picking them off, when it gets down to 9 is when a move has to be made.  By that time, the two left from Ozzy's tribe will be desperate, and will be willing to team back up with Cochran, and by then they should have figured out which two from Coach's tribe are at the bottom of the pecking order, so they can sell those two on going to the final five with them as opposed to being 5th and 6th place if they stick with Coach and the other.  That is the way to go. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on November 04, 2011, 09:10:39 AM
Yeah, the players this season have shown that they arent afraid of making moves.
Cochran's best scenario right now is to play the Rob Cesternino game. Cochran is on the side he wants to be on...for now. It's only a matter of time before he realizes he's on the bottom of Upolu as well. What Cochran needs to do is pull Dawn, and whoever he thinks will join up with him from Upolu (namely Brandon, Coach, Rick, and probably Edna) to form a new alliance, one that isn't based on tribal lines. It seems like Sophie and Albert might jump ship at some point, and Cochran could be left in the dust if he doesn't pull some people onto his side.
The hard part in determining how this season will play out is Upolu. Unlike Savaii, there doesn't appear to be a clear pecking order on their side, aside from Coach at the top and Cochran at the bottom. If Cochran can find out what the order would be, he can take the people that are 4th, 5th, and 6th and flip the script on the top players.

Im excited. This one move has had me talking more than anything in Nicaragua or Redemption Island has. Well done South Pacific!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 09, 2011, 08:09:41 PM
I swear to God, every time Brandon opens his mouth anymore, I want to throw heavy things at my television set.  I will literally be dancing around my living room if and when he gets voted off.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 11, 2011, 08:09:02 AM
Just got to watch this last night finally. For as promising as I thought it'd be after that 'move' by Cochran....i was kind of meh about that whole episode. It would have been more interesting had (forgot his name) actually gave Ozzy the immunity necklace. I know they would have just voted him off, but it still would have been more interesting.
  I cannot believe that tribe has allowed Coach to essentially pull the EXACT same game on them that Rob did last year. It's not as strong handed and overbearing....but he's actually doing it almost opposite. Kind, inclusive...."nothing to see here" type of game. Just keeping them all distracted long enough for him to get one step closer. Coach IMO has that game right where he wants it and has his finger on the pulse to where as soon as there is a blip in the system he's going to see it.
  Going to take a Big, deceptive move to get him out of there. Otherwise, he's your winner.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 11, 2011, 12:13:57 PM
If Coach wins, I am done watching this show.

Frankly, I am tired of them bringing back players from earlier seasons now seemingly every season.  They have the huge advantage of a) knowing what to expect when it comes to dealing with the conditions, not eating, etc., and b) crafting their game play a bit better as opposed to first timers.  It's why I didn't slobber all over Rob's win last season; it was his third try, and a smart person knows by the third try how to play the game, prepare, etc. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 11, 2011, 12:55:36 PM
Frankly, I am tired of them bringing back players from earlier seasons now seemingly every season. 
I'm willing to bet that this aspect is really the only thing keeping their ratings at a level high enough to get the show renewed each season. Sadly, I think that CBS has developed some of the more noteworthy 'characters' through editing and what not to assure they are either loved or hated enough by the viewers for them to tune in and either root on or curse at them.
  Just think....they still have Parvati to bring back, Colby, James maybe even fighet pilot Terry. And I'd bet there will still be another attempt to allow Russel to win, even though everyone knows that'll never happen. (him winning)
 I agree with you that the injecting of former players into the game year after year is a bit boring. I'd like to see them try and re-invent the show a bit and stick with using 'first time' players each season and then maybe have a 'veteran' show every few years.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 11, 2011, 01:12:29 PM
Right, by having returning players come in, I'm always more familiar with them and have a harder time caring about the new faces.  If it's ALL new faces, then I can truly discover someone amongst them to root for.  If Coach and Ozzy had not been around this season, I'd still be wishing for Brandon's immediate exit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 11, 2011, 01:34:59 PM
  If Coach and Ozzy had not been around this season, I'd still be wishing for Brandon's immediate exit.
They are really good at casting that 'one' player who they know is going to rile up the majority of the viewership and have you tune in just to yell and scream at him/her. And that to me is what is becoming 'stale' about the show, the fact they essentially use the same template of what they want each player or character to be, and just fill in the same positions with those thier team of psycologists and personality fishermen choose.
  I understand it and get why they stick to that formula. It works. It sells. And no matter how much I whine and complain about it and tell myself season after season that I'm not watching it again cuz it's the same thing over and over I still watch. So really I guess it's shame on me and I should STFU.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on November 12, 2011, 01:41:24 AM
If Coach wins, I am done watching this show.

Frankly, I am tired of them bringing back players from earlier seasons now seemingly every season.  They have the huge advantage of a) knowing what to expect when it comes to dealing with the conditions, not eating, etc., and b) crafting their game play a bit better as opposed to first timers.  It's why I didn't slobber all over Rob's win last season; it was his third try, and a smart person knows by the third try how to play the game, prepare, etc. 


It was his fourth try.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 17, 2011, 03:54:23 PM
Would have been more interesting had they decided to go ahead and vote Edna off.....better yet....even blindside Coach. All in all, pretty boring and predictable. That was a prime time for a cool, memorable move.
  Ozzy's confidence/cockiness is actually starting to make me like him more now that I used to. It'd be neat to see him run the table at Redemption and get back in. At least now that group will have to start cannabalizing each other...won't suprise me though if they just stick with original alliances and vote Cochran out to just to maintain a calm day or two. Would be neat to see something unexpected happen though.
 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on November 17, 2011, 05:00:32 PM
Sure is nice of them to speed up the decimation of a tribe like they did. Last season it was drawn out for 4 episodes. This time they condensed it to 2.
Coach or Cochran are the only players who I can see winning at this point...maybe Albert.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 18, 2011, 07:58:16 AM
Probst was sitting at TC, almost screaming at them to please make a big move, because this is boring and predictable.  He definitely tries to plant seeds at TC, but to seemingly no avail.  At this point, it seems like Coach is gonna run away with it.  Brandon and Edna won't flip on him.  It seems fairly likely that Rick is in the Coach camp.  Albert and Sophie, though they refused to flip this episode, seem most likely to flip.  Numbers will still be against them, so getting rid of Dawn (or as Brandon spelled it, "Don") and Whitney was bad news.  Shooting themselves in the foot, as it were.

I like Coach and am more a fan of him now than before.  He's always been the honorable guy who spouts off complete nonsense, but now, he appears to have abandoned some of the nonsene and has this kind of dark, brooding persona that seems to lurk just below the surface.  I kinda like it.  I am really amused at the preview that shows him wanting to now adopt the nickname Zeus.  And no, Cochran, it was Zeus' father Chronos that ate his children.  I also think they'll out Cochran on the next vote, to maintain the Upolu 6.  I really believe Cochran was solely a tool for them to remove Savaii completely from the game and nothing more.  Now that his usefulness to them has been all used up, they can discard him right along with his former tribemates.  Bye bye, weasel.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 18, 2011, 11:28:40 AM
Probst was sitting at TC, almost screaming at them to please make a big move, because this is boring and predictable. 

Does anyone else watch the 'Ponderosa' episodes online? Even Jim and Keith were lamenting the fact that at that Trivbal in particular, more than any to that point, a move NEEDED to be made in order to change the game. Otherwise, you really are looking at Coach having a real good shot at making it to the end.

If you've ever watched the Ponderosa episodes in the past, these guys (even though it's free food/drink/mini vacation) are in a way more modest setting than the past few 5 Star resorts. I'd take it though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 18, 2011, 11:46:35 AM
I've read about them a number of times on Reality Blurred, but I've never watched them.  I really should.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 18, 2011, 11:52:27 AM
I've read about them a number of times on Reality Blurred, but I've never watched them.  I really should.

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/?vs=Ponderosa

Dude, the 'Heros vs Villians' season...that Ponderosa was Hilarious. Coach, JT...that skinny Blonde I think her name was Courtney, they were COMPLETELY different people than they had been editied to be. Courtney had been presented to us in a way that she was mean or a big 'B', but she was a crack up. They started a band and recorded a couple songs while on Ponderosa, just real funny stuff. You get to see the 'uneditied' side of people..it's pretty neat. And the amount of food they eat is insane. For as big of a fan of the show as you appear to be, I guarantee you'd like it. They range anywhere from 2 to 5 minute clips of 'stuff'. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 18, 2011, 12:03:41 PM
You're right, I know I'd love it.  I gotta sit down and watch some of it sometime.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 18, 2011, 12:13:49 PM
I haven't even thought to check out the Ponderosa clips online.  Probably because this season is boring me now.  It has become horribly predictable, and most of the people left here are playing the game about as little as the mindless sheep who followed Rob did.  And then they'll get all indignant when they fall ass backwards into the final three and have to answer the "What did you actually do worthwhile to get this far other than land in the good alliance?" question.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 18, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
And Coach will say "I played both of these people sitting next to me like a fiddle - you all saw it, you all called me out on it right in front of them, and I'm still sitting in the final 3 - that's all the reason you need to vote for me."
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 18, 2011, 01:42:07 PM
And Coach will say "I played both of these people sitting next to me like a fiddle - you all saw it, you all called me out on it right in front of them, and I'm still sitting in the final 3 - that's all the reason you need to vote for me."
Like Rob, if Coach makes it to the finals and has a shot at the million...there is no other player there at the moment that could possibly argue they've 'played' better than him. It's boggles my mind that those people are allowing Coach to run the EXACT same game that Rob did last year. It is silly actually. For them to allow him to control that game like that, they get exactly what they deserve.
  I'd like to hope that he will be blindsided just to add a bit of spice to this season, but even that'd be hard to pull off without him getting wind of it considering there are only two for sure...maybe Cochran who aren't 'sippin' coaches Koolaid.'
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on November 18, 2011, 02:11:40 PM
Albert/Sophie/Dawn/Cochran/Whitney needed to pull the trigger on voting out Edna.  I can see why they didn't go for Coach.  It would have upped the tension in a major way.  But at this point I don't see how Coach is going to lose unless Ozzy's plan to be a challenge monster works out (which it very well could).  He has Brandon, the Rancher, and Edna 100% behind him.  Albert and Sophie are on the outs, and I'm not sure they'll be able to turn Cochran to their side again.

The biggest problem with the plan is the alliance would have three red players and two blue players, which is fine.  But in that situation you can do something, which is more than nothing now.

I'm with you all on the casting too.  It's bad for the show to cast players like Brandon, Phillip, and Cochran.  They promote controversy and bring attention to the show, but they don't create new fans and the show's hemorrhaging the ones they do have by alienating their long-term viewers.  Bringing back the old cast members hasn't worked this season either.  Rob vs. Russell needed to happen.  A larger conflict was at work.  Coach vs. Ozzy is basically admitting they don't think they can find new players the audiences will connect with.  This is stupid.  Watching Jim, Albert, and Sophie has been the best part of the season.  I'd love to see them on an All-Star cast.  Why aren't they looking for more players like this?  And if you must cast players who can't be stars, at least cast people like Mikayla, who was genuinely likable.

And please dump Redemption Island.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 18, 2011, 02:23:14 PM
Something else interesting:  Russel Hantz tweeted to Dick Donato from Big Brother last night:

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@EvelDick me and you amazing race !!!! What do you think ?!!

That would certainly be an interesting butting of heads.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: buthipme on November 18, 2011, 11:07:59 PM
Something else interesting:  Russel Hantz tweeted to Dick Donato from Big Brother last night:

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@EvelDick me and you amazing race !!!! What do you think ?!!

That would certainly be an interesting butting of heads.
WOW,SOUNDS great.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on November 20, 2011, 03:53:23 PM
My fingers are still crossed for a Cochran and Brandon pair for The Amazing Race...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 20, 2011, 04:53:15 PM
I would eat my fucking hat.  I would literally scream obscenities at my television every episode that went by without them being eliminated.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 01, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Least surprising vote in the history of Survivor (maybe aside from Erik getting voted out after giving up his immunity necklace).  Also, VOTE BRANDON OUT NOW, FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST!!!!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 01, 2011, 02:11:32 PM
This is what I thought of that episode.

ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!

What a friggin' borefest. I don't know why I fall for the editing every time and think that they would have actually have voted off someone other than Cochran to make this season somewhat interesting. The only thing that is even holding my interest at the moment is seeing if Ozzy can make it back from Redemption or not. IMO Coach comes in 2nd to Sophie. She's a tough one that girl....the rest are just a waste of space.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 01, 2011, 02:18:24 PM
Everybody has seen that despite being an athletic coach, Coach really doesn't do all that well in challenges.  It won't surprise me if Sophie and Albert (I love how they refer to him as Prince Albert) overthrow Coach, knowing there's no way they'd beat him.  He has an idol, so he has to play it and hope that he can win some challenges, then if/when Ozzy comes back, Coach has a free pass, because Ozzy will leave a 3rd time.  Edna and Sophie's best argument is "If you vote me out, you're assuring that Ozzy comes back into the game with you, because I will be no match for him at Redemption Island".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on December 06, 2011, 10:37:11 PM
Is there any doubt that Coach will win if he makes it to the final 3? All these players JUST saw Boston Rob run away with the game last season, and they are letting another returning player do it again. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 07, 2011, 04:32:00 AM
Yeah, they will get what they deserve if that happens.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 07, 2011, 06:18:47 AM
I don't know if there is anybody left there that, if put against Coach, would be able to say "Look at what I've done in this game!"  Coach would be best to take Brandon and Edna with him, if at all possible.  Everybody is annoyed by Brandon and everybody knows Edna hasn't really done anything.  But then again, so far, neither has anybody else.  The only possible usurper available is Ozzy, assuming Cochran doesn't manage to beat him at Redemption Island.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 07, 2011, 07:20:58 AM
It is pretty sad to watch Coach run the same game that Rob did on these people....especially knowing they watched Rob do it last year. For the life of me I don't know why the first person voted out in either tribe isn't the returning Survivor alumni. It makes no sense at all for them to be kept around other than ratings. If the people playing that game are that worried about shelter and food and think the 'veteran' is thier only means to it...then shame on them.
  And if they want to 'play the game' with them....well then they are getting exactly what they deserve. Unless Ozzy comes back from redmption and runs a coup on Coach....Coach is your next millionare.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 07, 2011, 07:53:38 AM
Honestly, I am about done watching this show.  It has gotten to where I don't like rooting for anyone near the end and I end up simply rooting against certain players.  And this thing about bringing back several old players and then seeing the new ones cluelessly let them dominate and win is awful. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 07, 2011, 08:01:18 AM
Exactly.  As much as I may like Coach or Ozzy, I would prefer to see a batch of all brand-new players, so each one is on level ground with me, in terms of familiarity and I can let me preference for who to root for be determined by how they play and what they do, as opposed to how many times they've been on the show.  Big Brother has been bringing back former houseguests and it bugs me as much as on Survivor.  Amazing Race can kinda get away with it, because no matter how loved and popular a team is (teams that have appeared on other reality shows), one taxi driver who is unfamiliar with where they wanted to go is all it takes to lose the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 07, 2011, 08:17:36 AM
It has gotten to where I don't like rooting for anyone near the end and I end up simply rooting against certain players. 

THIS! Sums it up perfectly for me. It's not nearly as fun to watch and I'm not into a player as much as when I had a huge man-crush on Fighter Pilot Terry and watched the 'Survivor' producers sabatoge him with that lame ass...designed explicitly for a womans body...stand on a floating piece of foam...BS immunity challenge. He is by far the best 'physical' player that Survivor has seen. Better than Colby and Ozzy.....Yes I'm still bitter about that.
  I would completely watch a Terry vs Ozzy one on one immunity showdown series because Terry would kick the livin' crap out of Ozzy.
I think maybe I still have a man crush..... ???
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 07, 2011, 07:19:28 PM
Did you guys just see the 'next on' clip? Looked like Edna just beat Ozzy on Redemption Island. That would be wild, but not very likely... Also, I'm sick and tired of Brandon.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 07, 2011, 08:08:30 PM
I would be very surprised if they made it look in previews like she beat Ozzy, then actually DOES.  That plus I'd be fairly irritated that someone who did zilch the entire time knocked Ozzy out after he's done a shitload.

Brandon makes me want to break things.  Every time he opens his mouth, I cringe.  Can.  Not.  Stand.  Him.  I want him to go SOOOO bad, but Coach knows that he needs Brandon in the final 3 because NOBODY will give him a single vote.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: bobs23 on December 07, 2011, 08:13:27 PM
Beyond epic fail coming next week. Don't miss it!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 07, 2011, 08:27:21 PM
I would be very surprised if they made it look in previews like she beat Ozzy, then actually DOES.  That plus I'd be fairly irritated that someone who did zilch the entire time knocked Ozzy out after he's done a shitload.

This.

Beyond epic fail coming next week. Don't miss it!

I'm thinking the reason Edna looks so far in the lead at the Redemption Dual is the fact that she probably completely mis-understands the rules of the game.....leaving Ozzy to look over at her like WTF?

And, I feel absolutely horrible for Brandon if that is the way he's been treated his whole life...managed like that. I'm sure the editing department did their best to make him look like Russel....but he did give off a huge D-Bag vibe.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 08, 2011, 03:37:42 AM
If I was Coach, I would have punched Brandon's dad in the kidneys.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on December 08, 2011, 10:13:36 PM
If I was Coach, I would have punched Brandon's dad in the kidneys.

Not punched. He would have used some ancient Coach-Chi move.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 08, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
If I was Coach, I would have punched Brandon's dad in the kidneys.

Not punched. He would have used some ancient Coach-Chi move.
Yeah, you got me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 09, 2011, 12:08:14 PM
Just to give us a further indication of how clueless she was playing Survior....Dawn in the 'Ponderosa' episodes online stated to the camera reagarding this 'point' in the game that 'this is the point in the game where you start to think about who you want to take to the final three with you'.  :facepalm: Ummmm....sorry Dawn.....that decision should be made WAY before day 32, maybe day 2 or 3 after you have a 'feel' for people.  Have fun the rest of your time at Ponderosa.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2011, 07:46:53 AM
Beyond epic fail coming next week. Don't miss it!

Epic fail, indeed.  Brandon may be the new Eric, especially if he doesn't beat Ozzy.  For the record, I damn sure hope he doesn't beat Ozzy.  For as grateful as I am to be (almost) rid of Brandon, it was such a tense and emotional exit, that it almost wasn't satisfying.  SO MUCH focus on God and honor and integrity and Coach's struggle with it all, that it robbed me of a lot of the joy I would have felt previously, if they'd just blindsided him.  Dammit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 15, 2011, 08:01:43 AM
Yeah, Epic fail indeed. Has there ever been a moment on Survivor when the person who gives up their immunity doesn't get burned? I 'get' what Brandon was going for....and in a way appreciate what he and Coach are 'trying' to accomplish with this whole spiritual and integrity type game play....but it's Survivior.
  That game is not designed for such 'morality' nor is it condusive to that train of thought. Way back when this game was concieved in whatever boardroom or office they knew that lying/cheating/stealing would sell...it always does, and that the worst in people is much more entertaining and profitable than the best in people....and that is how this game has 'survived'. The people throughout the history of the game who end up looking like fools and that are never heard of again are the ones who try to adhere to some sort of moral compass while playing. You just can't do it and expect to win that game. Now, if you go there intent on sending a message and making a point and not winning, sure...you're attempt may be nobel but why even bother.
  And I am a Christian, attend church regualarly and volunteer frequently....i love me some God, but for whatever reason when that group prays and talks all 'God' it really rubs me the wrong way and doesn't feel right. I don't know if it's that I don't trust the validity of thier faith or if it's the fact that I believe CBS and the show participants are just making fun of thier faith. Maybe it's a bit of both. Either way, I just cringe when that group and those guys begin to worship.
  And, I don't see how and the heck Coach doesn't win the million. Unless Ozzy makes it to the end with him then I believe Ozzy wins it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 18, 2011, 08:46:24 PM
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on December 18, 2011, 09:35:18 PM
Wow. Not what I expected.
I'm pleased Coach or Ozzy didn't win. I would have hated to see another returning player win.

Sophie buried Coach in the final tribal council really well. She gave good answers, and her immunity wins really helped her. A deserved if somewhat subdued win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 18, 2011, 10:28:37 PM
Can't say I'm shocked considering the horrid final tribal Coach gave and the pretty good one Sophie did. Just as Coach said, it was his game to lose and instead of owning it like Rob did last year an say 'hey I just gamed all of you' he tried to apologize for it and tried to save face.
  Im glad a rookie won, kind if tired of this whole 'Redemption' theme. It looks like next season is closer to a theme I'd like to see which is 36 people, no tribes, all for one the while time.  Start with say top 5 challenge winners are immune and incrementally bring that number down as you go.
  Anyway, this season was to me really bland.... A lot of players scared to make a move. I hope that changes next time. Still debating if I'm in or not for next season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 18, 2011, 10:56:09 PM
I am glad Sophie won.  Coach is a lying, hypocritical tool, and Ozzie sucks at the social game and any challenge that requires a lot of thinking, and Albert was never as smart as he thought he was.  Sophie played the best game of the four, and it was nice to see someone who deserved it actually win.  She did well in challenges, always had good strategic play, didn't lie her ass off to everyone like Coach did, and didn't openly try to turn on people like Albert did. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Zoom E on December 18, 2011, 11:06:31 PM
Why did Ozzy come to the final jury looking like Pippi Longstockings? Pigtails? No, Ozzy, no  :o
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on December 19, 2011, 01:56:19 AM
 - Sophie was my favorite player and I loved her game, glad she won.

 - That said, she was cracking emotionally near the end.  A lot of people are saying Coach's final tribal was terrible, and I don't totally understand why.  Especially relative to Sophie, who came off as trying to say the right thing a little too much.

 - Albert sucks.

 - Coach is stupid for not going with Rick the Cowboy and Albert as the two guys with him in the final three.  Sophie was so clearly dangerous.  I have no idea why Coach thought anyone would care about anything Rick did.  People respect those who play the game well if they own it.

 - All the stuff with Brandon at the reunion show was legitimately awful.  This kid desperately needs help and to be away from his horrible family.  Please don't put this on TV.

 - I liked how Jeff Probst glossed over the fact that Whitney cheated on her boyfriend with a dude she made on Survivor.  Well, I mean, not really, but from a comedy standpoint.

 - I think this one world idea is cool.  Even though the tribes still compete and vote as tribes to start with, they'll be interacting right from the start.  Hopefully, this means no more pagongings because players will be making alliances with players from the other tribe from the start.

 - I'd love to see Sophie and Jim in an all-star season.  Maybe Cochran too.

 - As unlikeable as Coach was, he played really well this time.  Shame that at the end he couldn't put the pieces together.

 - Ozzy played really well at the end.  He did the best he could to play with Coach's emotions.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2011, 08:44:40 AM
Coach's final TC was bad because he finally got called out by several jurors for being full of shit when it came to his honor and integrity nonsense.  I have said all along that he has neither, and the fact that he had no defense every time he got called out just demonstrated how full of it he was/is.

I believe Whitney was actually married when she did Survivor.  At least that is what a friend told me she read on several sites.

Can we please have no more returning Survivors unless it is an all-star season?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 19, 2011, 08:46:38 AM
Indeed, she was:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_south_pacific/2011_Nov_13_whitney-keith-marriage
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2011, 08:57:52 AM
That info. about Whitney is disgusting. I swear it sickens me to no end how marriage and all the greatness it stands for has become just another victim of this selfish culture. Why the heck didn't Probst say to Whitney last night 'so Whitney, you were married when you came on Survivor' rather than 'Whitney, you were in a relationship'. Being married is WAY more involved and sacred than just being in a relationship....or maybe I'm just old fashioned and still believe in the 'true' meaning of marriage and not whatever it has turned into now. Shame on both of them...especially if Keith knew about it as well.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Zoom E on December 19, 2011, 09:47:08 PM
- All the stuff with Brandon at the reunion show was legitimately awful.  This kid desperately needs help and to be away from his horrible family.  Please don't put this on TV.

Agreed. It turns out that Russell was not just playing a villain on TV. Evidently, he's a nasty piece of work in real life too.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 20, 2011, 09:54:13 AM
I don't know if he is all that evil.  Brandon is just a moron.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 20, 2011, 09:56:50 AM
This.  Even more horrifying: 

Zap2It's interview with Brandon (https://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2011/12/survivor-south-pacifics-brandon-hantz-it-was-a-bitter-vote.html)

Quote
You'll see me again. It's gonna be different next time.

*groan* :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 20, 2011, 10:17:24 AM
This.  Even more horrifying: 

Zap2It's interview with Brandon (https://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2011/12/survivor-south-pacifics-brandon-hantz-it-was-a-bitter-vote.html)

Quote
You'll see me again. It's gonna be different next time.

*groan* :facepalm:

Please. No. bobs23.....do all you can to assure us this wont' happen.....tell them what a horrible idea this is........I can't imagine there are more than 27 people that want this to happen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on December 20, 2011, 03:59:20 PM
- I think this one world idea is cool.  Even though the tribes still compete and vote as tribes to start with, they'll be interacting right from the start.  Hopefully, this means no more pagongings because players will be making alliances with players from the other tribe from the start.

This x 10000
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: bobs23 on December 21, 2011, 08:11:26 AM
This.  Even more horrifying: 

Zap2It's interview with Brandon (https://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2011/12/survivor-south-pacifics-brandon-hantz-it-was-a-bitter-vote.html)

Quote
You'll see me again. It's gonna be different next time.

*groan* :facepalm:

Already have. The next season that starts in Feb. was shot right after this one, so you're good for now. Brandon made me want to puke every time they had him on screen.
Please. No. bobs23.....do all you can to assure us this wont' happen.....tell them what a horrible idea this is........I can't imagine there are more than 27 people that want this to happen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 21, 2011, 09:03:20 AM
I won't watch anyone season that brings Brandon back.  And I am not just saying that. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 14, 2012, 07:19:19 AM
New Survivor starts tomorrow.  I'm excited, though I'll be going in for a sleep study tomorrow night, and will miss it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 17, 2012, 08:32:11 PM
So what does anybody think? 

*SPOILERS*

I thought it was a damn shame that Kourtney went out like that, seemed like a really nice girl.  The women getting pissed that the guys didn't wanna finish the challenge was ludicrous.  Um, excuse me, it's a game for a million dollars.  That's like saying "Hey, you won the lottery, but if you'd like you can choose to play it again, because the people who didn't win aren't happy about it."  Then the women are just a clusterf*ck at tribal council.  WTF?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 17, 2012, 09:42:04 PM
I'm thinking I may throw in the towel. I know it's only been one episode, but there isn't a single person that interests me one bit. The chicks are all annoying and the guys they have there are complete D bags... Especially that 'main' lawyer who thinks he's running the show. Plus, OVERLY flamboyant...hyper obnoxious gay men like the one they have cast for this season annoy the living crap out of me. He makes me want to gouge my eyes out and set my eardrums on fire just so there is no chance that I could ever see or hear him ever again. Completly fake and DRAMATIC because he heard that's what gay guys should be like.

 Apparently the immunity Idols are just going to continue to be hid in super obvious holes and what not as well. I was hoping they'd at least return to actually making them work for them a bit via diciphering actualy clues. But I will say the whole 'this is for the other tribe...now give it to one of them' angle gives it some flavor.
 
It did suck for that girl to go out due to a broken wrist, but I have a feeling it would have been between her and the peace seeking Asian chick anyway. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 18, 2012, 04:13:18 AM
Both teams pissed me off in the first episode.  No one really likable that I can see so far.

But boobs, so I'll keep watching for now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 19, 2012, 04:56:48 PM
Amazing Race is back on tonight!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 07, 2012, 09:14:51 PM
Oh. Holy. Shit.

What the fuck happened tonight?  Colton is a vile, nasty, useless piece of shit.  I don't think there is anyone I have ever disliked more on Survivor, ever.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 08, 2012, 08:58:28 AM
   Colton is a vile, nasty, useless piece of shit.  I don't think there is anyone I have ever disliked more on Survivor, ever.

Pretty much.  It's bad enough that he plays into every stereotype about being a flaming homosexual, but he is also a racist piece of dog shit.  Frankly, I think I am done watching this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 08, 2012, 09:00:40 AM
It's saying a LOT, because I have REALLY disliked plenty of previous contestants.  How in the world can someone who has likely face prejudice for being gay be such a racist, intolerant asshole?

Andy from Reality Blurred suggested that "If you’re the kind of person who literally slaps your forehead or bangs your head on something when someone on TV does acts stupidly, you have a concussion right now and you should seek medical attention."  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 08, 2012, 05:52:07 PM
This season is frustrating me, I may stop watching. First of all, for the first time, I don't have anyone I can cheer for at this point in the season. In fact, all I can do is cheer against the most annoying ones. Colton needs to go. I can't believe a gay man from Alabama can be so incredibly intolerant, racist, etc... Also, is it just me or is everyone else on that tribe really dumb? The sushi chef seems to think that Colton is some sort of genius. Do they not understand that they can all get together and vote her off?

At first, I wanted to cheer for the midget, but he has also proved to be incompetent. They all get together after winning immunity, tell him that they are gonna vote him off, and he agrees to it. WHAT!?!?! And the women tribe is equally as annoying. Thus far, this season goes down as one of the worst I have seen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 08, 2012, 06:07:12 PM
I know. I just cannot even imagine what these people are thinking, letting him run their game for them, basically. Unreal.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 08, 2012, 09:29:20 PM
The casting for this season is unbelievable.

How in the world can someone who has likely face prejudice for being gay be such a racist, intolerant asshole?

The thing is, he hasn't faced that kind of prejudice.  He said in his tribal rant that he almost exclusively hangs out with people who are more educated and wealthy who don't show him intolerance (at least to his face).  He referred to those who are prejudiced against gays in abstract and flippant terms.  Ironically (since he's gay), he doesn't know what it's like to experience soul-crushing prejudice.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 09, 2012, 06:07:39 AM
True, he does have that kind of upbringing, but there is no way he hasn't faced it in some manner.  As flamboyant with it as he is, he HAS to have faced it in some capacity, at some point.  Maybe not, but it just seems extremely unlikely that, living in the deep south, that he hasn't had to deal with it.

Also, in news that should surprise NOBODY, Brandon Hantz is now divorced:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_south_pacific/2012_Feb_28_brandon-divorce-nascar

Also, apparently so is Russell:

https://twitter.com/#!/russellhantz/statuses/158993080794615808
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 09, 2012, 10:04:27 PM
LOL at the Hantz family. Brandon was a failure, and Russel (although entertaining) was a bit of a clown.

I was thinking about this earlier, and I think Survivor needs a new setting. Something fresh, and different, while still in its classic format. As cool as One World originally sounded, I don't think it should be brought back. Lets return to the classic survivor that I used to love, where the entertainment is built off of interesting casts (unlike this one). Where are the Boston Rob's, the Johny Fairplays, and the Ruperts?

I'd like to nominate Iceland for season 25.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 09, 2012, 10:14:47 PM
The location for seasons 25 and 26 has already been chosen:

Click for spoiler (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_25/2012_Mar_09_caramoan-camsur-location)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 09, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
Ahh, alright...

When do you guys think the show will finally run out of enough steam to be canceled?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: missedthepoint on March 10, 2012, 04:00:50 AM
Oh. Holy. Shit.

What the fuck happened tonight?  Colton is a vile, nasty, useless piece of shit.  I don't think there is anyone I have ever disliked more on Survivor, ever.

I know. I just cannot even imagine what these people are thinking, letting him run their game for them, basically. Unreal.

This.

I can't believe this season, I'm also feeling like i may stop watching this season.
If they vote Colton out real soon things might be different.
Urgh
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: bobs23 on March 10, 2012, 08:32:07 AM
Oh. Holy. Shit.

What the fuck happened tonight?  Colton is a vile, nasty, useless piece of shit.  I don't think there is anyone I have ever disliked more on Survivor, ever.

I know. I just cannot even imagine what these people are thinking, letting him run their game for them, basically. Unreal.

It gets worse with Colturd in next weeks episode. The producers try to reign him in with a plan but it kind of backfires.
This.

I can't believe this season, I'm also feeling like i may stop watching this season.
If they vote Colton out real soon things might be different.
Urgh
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 22, 2012, 07:58:13 AM
SPOILERS!

I'm really on the fence about how to feel.  Overall, I feel elated that that narcissistic douchebag is gone.  An outright bully by any definition.  That said, it doesn't matter who it is, I don't like seeing someone in that kind of pain, not even Colton.  So to see him go out this way, isn't nearly as satisfying.  In the end, yes, he's still gone, so hallelujah.  It's like looking so forward to that pizza that's being delivered, then it arrives and somehow tastes lousy.  In the end, you had pizza, so that's good, but it just didn't taste that great.  Same thing here.  I would have loved to see him get blindsided and sent off.  Either way though, his racist, xenophobic, mean, vile, bullying bullshit is now over.  Thank God.

The one and only thing he did right the whole game was to not give the idol to Alicia.  Bully #2.  Time to go.  She's a Special Ed teacher?  She acts like a bully to Stephanie, then will go home to be an advocate for kids who probably have a high likelihood of being bullied.  Wonderful example she's setting.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 22, 2012, 10:21:42 AM
Don't be surprised if Alicia's behavior costs her her job.  It has happened before, and she is probably a bigger piece of shit than Colton is.  If I were a parent of one of the kids she teaches, I'd wouldn't want her teaching my kids anything.

Yeah, it would have been better to see that hateful queen get voted off, I still didn't mind seeing him in pain, suffering.  He deserved it.  I am not sure I buy the idea of karma, but if it does exist, he got his in spades. 

And the fact that Christina was still nice to him when he was sick, considering how vile he was to her, spoke volumes about her character. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 22, 2012, 10:27:55 AM
Right, if one of those parents saw how she acts, it wouldn't surprise me if they had issues with it.  I realize that in the heat of the moment you'll say things that aren't representative of who you are, but still, she was jus tbeing unnecessarily nasty.  Possibly the parents of her students know her well enough to know this isn't "her" though.  Hard to say.

He thought Christina was trying to save herself by being nice to him.  No possible way.  Christina was trying to comfort him because that's what decent human beings do.  It seemed fairly clear that she truly felt bad for him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 22, 2012, 08:18:50 PM
Christina should have kicked Colton while he was down. JMO. Harsh, and not really acceptable... but it was a relief to see him gone.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2012, 04:33:26 AM
I was really hoping that there would still be a challenge, and a vote, so Alicia could get voted off as well.  That would have meant my least favorite of each gender leaving in one episode.

Colton is just a cunt.  I believe in karma, or something like it. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 25, 2012, 07:44:58 AM
Looks like it was a bacterial infection that took Colton out, not appendicitis:

Link (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_one_world/2012_Mar_22_colton-bacteria-idol)


Apparently Alicia is down for damage control also:

Alicia Twitter post (https://twitter.com/#!/AliciaRRosa/status/182999214446489600)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2012, 01:43:50 PM
The best moment from last night:

https://theimghost.com/di-V7W4.gif
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 29, 2012, 01:47:34 PM
Nice.

Sending Jonas home made ZERO SENSE.  It was just like some sort of throwaway vote, like they aren't in a game for $1M.  Why would you keep someone like Jay who has a higher likelihood of beating you in a physical challenge or Tarzan, who is a completely tactless and irritating oaf, or Alicia who's just a really not nice person?  Have these people ever seen Survivor??
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2012, 01:55:26 PM
Amen to that.  That vote made zero sense.  Jonas running his mouth like he did at TC didn't help his cause, although his fate was probably already sealed.  I like seeing feathers ruffled like that at TC, though. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 29, 2012, 01:59:43 PM
You mean like at the very first Phillip Shepherd Tribal Council?  That was still one of the most epic TCs ever.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 29, 2012, 07:04:39 PM
You mean like at the very first Phillip Shepherd Tribal Council?  That was still one of the most epic TCs ever.

Oh man, I loved Phillip. I had myself convinced that the whole secret agent thing was a strategical hoax. I expected him to come out in the final tribal council and say that he was acting the whole time. Say that he knew if he acted crazy enough people would want to take him to the end, but it was nothing more than acting. He could say, 'here I am, look at how my strategy worked.'

Talk about outwitting the competition....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 29, 2012, 07:17:04 PM
I remember that first TC. Mrs. Cozmo & I sat here in disbelief, like "holy shit, that was the most awesome TC ever! There's no way that guy is really that fucking nuts."
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 12, 2012, 06:30:27 AM
SPOILERS

So yeah, Jay's out now.  Not sure how much differnece it makes to me.  He was one of those mostly absent individuals for me, in that it feels like we really didn't see or hear much about him til the last episode or two.  I'm really kinda rooting for Troy at this point.  I've wanted Alicia out for some time, though her obnoxiousness seems to have waned since Colton's departure.  Kim, while not having been mean or obnoxious, is kinda masterminding the show.  I'd like to see her get knocked down a peg or two.  It would've been AWESOME if Troy could've rallied enough support to get her out last night.  And I don't really care much for DIY challenges like last night's reward challenge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: bobs23 on April 12, 2012, 08:13:41 AM
Unfortunately, this cast is too stupid to figure anything out. Outside of Kim and Troy. The upcoming episodes will prove this.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 18, 2012, 09:12:00 PM
SOMEBODY, PLEASE PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND MAKE A GAME-CHANGING MOVE!!!

God, this is frustrating.  This march towards the seemingly inevitable is frustrating as hell.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 18, 2012, 09:19:29 PM
SOMEBODY, PLEASE PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND MAKE A GAME-CHANGING MOVE!!!

God, this is frustrating.  This march towards the seemingly inevitable is frustrating as hell.

+1. If people don't try to make a move, soon, this will go down as one of the worst seasons I have seen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 26, 2012, 08:04:37 AM
Everybody needs to drop out right now so they can give Kim the money.  Seriously.

Kat: "I don't want to go down as a weak player, a follower".

*votes exactly the way Kim wants her to*

So dumb.  I think the only people left that I'd be all right with winning the game would be Christina or Kat.  And not because they've done anything, but because of how much I dislike everyone else.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 26, 2012, 02:42:34 PM
Awful episode last night. Where are the strategists this season?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 26, 2012, 02:53:40 PM
Christina might be the dumbest player ever.  JHC.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 26, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
Indeed. But for some reason, I still want rid of Kim and Chelsea.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 26, 2012, 10:16:15 PM
Christina might be the dumbest player ever.  JHC.

Leif Manson says, "hello".

As much as I wanted to cheer for him, he was a total idiot. At one point the tribe got together and said they were going to go to tribal council after winning the challenge (you guys know what I'm talking 'bout). They told the man that they were going to go vote him off, and he went along with it!!! Might have been the dumbest collective move by a tribe in a long time, removing one of the guys and leading to the eventual female dominated game now. By the time he realized he had no solid alliance, or strategy, to move forward it was already too late.

When I first saw him I thought I was in for a real treat.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2012, 04:41:42 AM
I was pulling for Troyzan.  Too bad. 

Once Tarzan is gone, and Christina and Alicia are next, they will realize they should have listened to Troyzan.

Cat is beyond stupid.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 03, 2012, 08:37:38 AM
Kat is the poster child for the sense of entitlement that kids have nowadays. Good riddance, loser. Also, no, please do NOT beg Jeff to let you play again to redeem yourself. I'm pretty sure nobody wants to be subjected to you again.  How fun and exciting are blindsides now, Kat?  :rollin  Idiot.

At this point, I'm not sure who I want to win. I often (not always) like to see the person at the top of the game (Kim) get knocked down a peg or two. That wasn't the case with Rob on Survivor: Redmeption Island. I was stoked to see him win. I guess I'd be happy with seeing Christina or Tarzan win, though I just cannot see that being possible.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 03, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
Kat is the poster child for the sense of entitlement that kids have nowadays. Good riddance, loser. Also, no, please do NOT beg Jeff to let you play again to redeem yourself. I'm pretty sure nobody wants to be subjected to you again.  How fun and exciting are blindsides now, Kat?  :rollin  Idiot.

At this point, I'm not sure who I want to win. I often (not always) like to see the person at the top of the game (Kim) get knocked down a peg or two. That wasn't the case with Rob on Survivor: Redmeption Island. I was stoked to see him win. I guess I'd be happy with seeing Christina or Tarzan win, though I just cannot see that being possible.

I would be happy to see Tarzan win, and while I think he has a decent chance at getting to the top 3, I don't think he has played a strong enough game strategically to pull off the win. As of right now, I would be pretty surprised if Kim did not win. Doesn't she still have an immunity idol too?

Also, I was very happy to see Kat enjoy the 'fun and exciting' blindside. Next gone, Alicia (hopefully)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 03, 2012, 07:52:09 PM
Pretty sure Kim DOES still have an immunity idol, so she's pretty much golden to go to the final 3 and likely win it all.  I fucking lol'd when Kat got voted out after her "fun and exciting" remarks.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: setrataeso on May 05, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
Kim is going to have to get rid of Sabrina and Chelsea next if she wants to win. Everyone at Ponderosa is collectively cheering for Sabrina.
Kim is a remarkably good player though. Particularly, she can lie better than anyone I've ever seen on Survivor. Watch how convincingly she is able to lie to the person she's about to vote out. There's a reason Jay and Kat didn't see it coming.

Kim's biggest enemy right now is herself. She's in a very similar position to Coach last season. She blindsided a few close allies, and they are now mad at her. Jay, Kat, and Troyzan may not vote for Kim if they don't have to. Kim's crucial decision is the same as the one Coach had to make last season. She could go to the end with Alicia or Tarzan or Christina and betray her alliance, or keep her word and go to the end with Chelsea and Sabrina. Last season Coach went to the end with Albert and Sophie, but he could have taken Rick, Edna, Brandon, or Cochran. Coach took the wrong people to the end, and he lost because of it. Kim has a choice to make, and it will make or break her end-game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 05, 2012, 08:32:58 PM
I don't really care who wins, but I'm glad that moron Kat is gone.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 09, 2012, 07:23:53 PM
R.l.P Tarzan. Kim is going to win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 10, 2012, 06:23:40 AM
Frustrating.  Kim is a fucking genius, but there is just something about her that rubs me the wrong way.  I cannot put my finger on it.  She's brilliant though.  She's like Dr. Will from Big Brother.  She could outright say "I'm going to lie right to your face however often I need to in order to win", then lie to you, screw you over and magically be charming enough that you'll keep coming back for more.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 10, 2012, 02:19:54 PM
I tend to think that it is less about her ingenuity, and more about the others' stupidity. Seriously, aside from Kim, this has to be the dumbest cast I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 10, 2012, 07:32:51 PM
:lol  Well, yeah, that could very well be the case also.  When everyone is so dumb, it tends to make her look even more brilliant.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 13, 2012, 05:13:02 PM
3 hours tonight!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 13, 2012, 05:35:27 PM
WOHOOO FOR DTF! I forgot that the finale was on tonight. I'm super excited now, thanks Sir GuitarCozmo!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 13, 2012, 09:21:18 PM
Who are you guys expecting to see as the returning injured players? I guess there will be three, I'm just hoping that one of them isn't Colton.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 14, 2012, 01:39:27 AM
I checked out of this season because it was so bad.

Look, making this show work well is not difficult.  Cast smart, likable people with a lot of personality and let them play the game.  It's going to be interesting and entertaining.  Survivor viewers consider themselves sophisticated and want to see a sophisticated show.  Stop with all the people who are repulsive to watch.

It's not like this is working for them.  The ratings for this season are they lowest they've been ever.  The ship needs to be righted.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 14, 2012, 04:46:23 AM
Here's some into on next season's returnees:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_philippines/2012_Apr_17_three-tribes-returnees
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
I checked out of this season because it was so bad.

Look, making this show work well is not difficult.  Cast smart, likable people with a lot of personality and let them play the game.  It's going to be interesting and entertaining.  Survivor viewers consider themselves sophisticated and want to see a sophisticated show.  Stop with all the people who are repulsive to watch.

It's not like this is working for them.  The ratings for this season are they lowest they've been ever.  The ship needs to be righted.

Amen to that.  If they bring Colton back, ever, they are basically rewarding his reprehensible behavior.  He can put on a fake apology and claim he loves everyone all he wants, but actions speak louder than words, and he can't take back the way he acted.  The crew seemingly didn't like him (no one had his back, and he got numerous bad looks from other participants during the reunion show when he was talking, not just from Bill and Leif), and even his mother was embarrassed by him.  Let this hateful bigot go back to being nothing, instead of rewarding him simply for ratings, which wouldn't work anyway, as just about anyone who is gonna watch already watches, and you know there will be people who will stop watching when they see him again, including myself. 

Also, I didn't buy Alicia's "apology" last night either.  She is a miserable human being as well.

But Kim was a very deserving winner.  It was nice to see the person who dominated as much as she did actually win for once.

And kudos to Kat for not staying bitter and taking the high road. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 14, 2012, 09:01:19 AM
And kudos to Kat for not staying bitter and taking the high road. :tup :tup

Maybe I shouldn't have been, but I was really surprised by this.  She just looked like she was going to be a complete self-entitled bitch about it all, but it was quite cool to see such a great attitude from her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2012, 09:06:57 AM
Yep, the looks and little comments from her in the tribals following her ouster definitely made me think she was gonna be bitter and bratty when it came to her questioning the final three; it looked like they were saving her for last for that very reason.  But no. 

Oh, and Alicia comparing herself to Kim by calling them both kingpins who had their pawns. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  Someone should really tell Alicia that her game sucked and that she is a hateful, miserable person, just like Colton.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 14, 2012, 09:08:25 AM
Complete lack of self-awareness.  Alicia was as much one of Kim's pawns as everybody else was, except she was way more expendable.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 14, 2012, 02:30:38 PM
Yeah, and Alicia also seemed to convince herself that she would have been tough to beat if she was in the final 3. Absolutely comical to think that anyone would vote for her. As for Kim, she definitely deserved it, and unsurprisingly won it.

Here's some into on next season's returnees:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_philippines/2012_Apr_17_three-tribes-returnees

This is interesting. Although, to be honest, I don't remember any of those three contestants named in the article. I've seen all but a couple seasons of Survivor (somewhere between 17-21) when they were on TV, but was too young to remember many details from the earliest seasons. I'm interested in renting one of the earlier seasons and watching it all the way through, for old time's sake. Suggestions?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 07, 2012, 12:14:32 PM
You all ready?  Survivor is back!  September 19th.  I assume you've all seen the commercials and know who all's going to be in it this time around.

Also, Amazing Race starts September 30th.  White Lion bassist James Lomenzo will be on it.  :metal
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 07, 2012, 05:45:22 PM
I'M READY!!! Comes back a day before Dexter, should be good!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 07, 2012, 06:48:50 PM
Still tied up in Big Brother right now but very much looking forward to both shows.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 19, 2012, 07:28:59 AM
Man, major night tonight!  An hour and a half Survivor premier followed by an hour and a half Big Brother finale.  Sweet.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 19, 2012, 09:31:16 AM
Man, major night tonight!  An hour and a half Survivor premier
Yup, looking forward to it!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 19, 2012, 09:43:08 AM
I have practice til 8 tonight, but fortunately, practice is at my house now.  Booyah.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 19, 2012, 07:49:29 PM
Cool first episode, although I am unhappy to see Zane voted off first. He seemed to show the most potential for interesting tv.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 19, 2012, 10:04:29 PM
As a reminder, it should always be assumed that there will be spoilers in posts, which is why I wait til I've seen the episode before reading this thread.  Maybe a mod could alter the OP to indicate spoilers?

That said, I'm not sure how Zane thought he was in control of his whole tribe by telling them (basically) "I suck, I shouldn't be here, vote me out."
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 20, 2012, 05:45:16 PM
Yeah, as for the spoilers, I always assume no one would check the thread if they haven't seen it yet. Zane really was a nut, though it would have been fantastic for him to stick around longer.

Got me thinking for an interesting idea for a later season of Survivor, which I'm not sure anyone has thought of before. A season with only former contestants, but all ones that got voted off first. I think it would be a pretty interesting dynamic, because they would all have a little bit of experience, but none enough to be considered immediate threats coming in.

Then again, there is a good reason some of these people are voted off first...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2012, 05:48:13 AM
As a reminder, it should always be assumed that there will be spoilers in posts, which is why I wait til I've seen the episode before reading this thread.  Maybe a mod could alter the OP to indicate spoilers?

That said, I'm not sure how Zane thought he was in control of his whole tribe by telling them (basically) "I suck, I shouldn't be here, vote me out."

Yeah, his tactic confused me greatly. :lol It's one thing to take responsibility for letting down the team, but he was a bit too persistent with his self loathing. And WTF with pointing out that he had made an alliance with everybody. That doesn't help either, pal. :lol

It will be interesting seeing how having such small teams pans out. Are they going to have to sit out a member on each of the other teams next episode? And what about if the same team loses again? I wouldn't be too surprised if they merge into two teams not too far in before merging to one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2012, 06:28:32 AM
Got me thinking for an interesting idea for a later season of Survivor, which I'm not sure anyone has thought of before. A season with only former contestants, but all ones that got voted off first. I think it would be a pretty interesting dynamic, because they would all have a little bit of experience, but none enough to be considered immediate threats coming in.

An interesting idea, but I'm getting to the point where I'm tired of BB and Survivor bringing backprevious contestants.  I automatically want to root for the returnee and that's not entirely fair.  Though Probst has kinda indicated that whenever possible, he wants to bring back returnees.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_philippines/2012_Jul_30_returnees-forever


Yeah, his tactic confused me greatly. :lol It's one thing to take responsibility for letting down the team, but he was a bit too persistent with his self loathing. And WTF with pointing out that he had made an alliance with everybody. That doesn't help either, pal. :lol

It will be interesting seeing how having such small teams pans out. Are they going to have to sit out a member on each of the other teams next episode? And what about if the same team loses again? I wouldn't be too surprised if they merge into two teams not too far in before merging to one.

Yeah, that guy was a loose cannon, I don't think he had the first clue WTF he was doing.  Also, it hadn't occurred to me about how it would work with sitting people out for challenges.  I remember that they had 4 tribes during Cook Islands, but I don't recall how they handled differing tribe sizes at challenges.  It seems likely that it WILL merge into two tribes sometime soon.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2012, 06:44:48 AM
I haven't seen the Cook Islands one, so I didn't know they'd done more than 2 teams before.

My initial impression after one episode is that I preferred 2 larger teams. In the challenges, any team now has a 2/3 chance of being safe from immunity (unless they were to send the two losing teams to tribal), which I think makes it a little bit less interesting, and there's too much jumping around with showing each team at camp, so I can't keep track (my memory is shit). Although I guess it makes avoiding tribal a lot more critical even at this early stage, because you only have a small tribe to begin with. I think the payoff will come as the game progresses.

Speaking of which, I've also noticed there's less room for many alliances to form within a tribe with only 6 people. In the long run that may be a good thing to stop it getting stale and predictable with the voting, and will probably make it harder to fly under the radar. I actually stopped watching last season entirely because it got predictable and boring as hell.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2012, 06:55:35 AM
I think we were all irritated with last season's march towards the inevitable.  Tarzan COULD have shaken it up and gotten someone voted out, if he'd gotten onboard with Troy, bu the seemed content to assure himself that he would go out 5th (I think that was it).  Dumb, dumb move.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2012, 07:01:11 AM
That was the last straw for me watching it. That was the last chance in the game for anything unpredictable to happen, but Tarzan as usual just did his own thing. I liked Tarzan, but he wasn't much of a team player in that regard. I was hoping for Troy to win too.
Usually when something like that happens I think "well it seems obvious what will happen next", but I keep watching knowing that something will shake it up, but this time I saw literally no other way it could have played out, so I saw no reason to keep watching for a result I knew I wasn't going to be happy with anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2012, 07:04:36 AM
Oh, he was a team player.  Just for the entirely wrong team.  His blind allegiance to Kim and her allies was pathetically short-sighted.  I cannot imagine any possible scenario where he could've figured he had a shot to win, after he helped send Troy packing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2012, 07:12:10 AM
I don't think winning is what drove his decisions. His actions were not strategically motivated, but seemed to be based more on his own ethics of honour and loyalty etc. Not that there's anything wrong with that at all, but I think many times his head was in the wrong place even for those factors, and he never put it in context with what everyone else was doing, or how it would steer the game.
There were several occasions where he would ignore who was voting for who, and just say "I'm voting for this person" instead of thinking of numbers, basically just wasting his vote every time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2012, 07:21:41 AM
Yep.  Terrible.  Do you watch Amazing Race?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2012, 07:24:51 AM
I didn't watch last season, but I watched the few before that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2012, 07:32:46 AM
This season looks to be pretty cool.  As noted previously, James Lomenzo, bassist from White Lion, will be on this season.  Also, new twist this year.  If the team that wins the first leg of the race ends up winning the race at the end, they'll win $2M instead of the standard $1M.  I just watched the trailer on CBS' website, introducing the teams.  Looks good.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2012, 07:34:41 AM
Any other cool characters? Some of the lineups of the past couple of seasons have been a bit dull and generic. I only started watching it again because there were stunt midgets, and that season did not disappoint at all. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2012, 07:48:19 AM
Let's see, a chick who lost both legs from the knee down due to meningitis and has prosthetics and her husband, two substitute teachers, two random blonds, a couple that race monster trucks, a husband who is a lumberjack and manages lumberjack competitions and his wife, a gay couple who run a farm and have a TV show around it, a couple fresh out of college, another randowm couple, a duo of Chippendales dancers, one who sings and the other plays guitar, and Indian twin sisters (i.e. from India, not Native Americans).

https://www.cbs.com/shows/amazing_race/video/2273722527/the-amazing-race-meet-the-cast
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2012, 07:55:37 AM
Token gay team. Check. Generic hot chick team. Check. Generic couple of angry roid'ed up meathead and submissive girlfriend who tries to keep him from making her walk into a door. Check. Someone with a disability. Check.

Yep, I'm in. :lol Do we have an Amazing Race thread?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2012, 08:06:48 AM
:lol  Yeah, pretty much.

There's no AR thread.  I wondered about making a separate thread for that.  Might not be a bad idea, as one catch-all "Reality TV Thread" might be a little too much to keep track of.  I should've had one for Big Brother while that was going.  Didn't care for the outcome of that one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 27, 2012, 02:14:48 PM
Bye-bye Roxy.  She has clearly never watched Survivor.  Either that or she is ridiculously very self-unaware.  You don't go busting your mouth off like that, unless you've at the very least, been pulling your weight around camp.  Or being worthwhile in challenges.  She's been neither.  She's one of those people who sees a "threat" and just has to go runinng her fucking mouth.  If she's STFU at Tribal, she might have stuck around.  Even Russell realized she was bad news.

And cookies?  Are you fucking kidding me?  I thought Probst was gonna fall off his seat when she said cookies.  Wow.

I was pleased to see Lisa be instrumental in her team's win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2012, 05:59:58 PM
What's wrong with cookies?  Cookies are yummy. :coolio

But yeah, a pretty :lol :lol reply, but Angie is basically there for us to look at.  She is clearly brain dead and has no strategy whatsoever, but she's good eye candy for us male viewers. :biggrin:

And yeah, Roxy was pretty stupid.  You said it all, Cozmo.  You don't go running your mouth that early in the game.  And her trying to defend her laziness around camp was just hilarious.  Seeyabye.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 27, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
Also, I don't know if anyone knew, Lisa Whelchel's marriage of 23-ish years ended just prior to her coming on Survivor, so undoubtedly she was emotional.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 27, 2012, 08:19:18 PM
Just saw the episode tonight.

I'm not very good with names, but I'm currently enjoying the sex therapist, and all three of the returneees.
The banker chick irks me, and so does her paranoid 'ally'.
I was happy to see Roxy go.
I'm a bit ambivalent towards Malcolm and Angie. Neither seem like very good strategists, but I don't dislike them.
Plus, Angie has a great rack, so I don't mind her sticking around a bit longer.

It will be interesting to see what happens if the same tribe loses again next time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2012, 10:26:19 PM

I'm a bit ambivalent towards Malcolm and Angie. Neither seem like very good strategists, but I don't dislike them.
 

Same here.  They both seem like dimwits, so even if they stick together, they don't strike me as a twosome that can take charge and strategize their way to the money, ala Rob and Amber.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 28, 2012, 12:01:23 AM
But yeah, a pretty :lol :lol reply, but Angie is basically there for us to look at.  She is clearly brain dead and has no strategy whatsoever, but she's good eye candy for us male viewers. :biggrin:

Yeah, the editors sure took it as an excuse to show her rack every 5 seconds, so I'm not complaining. :lol

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 04, 2012, 09:22:40 AM
Interesting night last night.  I have no idea how Angie thought she was going to spin her intial "I can't do it" and refusal to try again into "I totally would've done it again!"  Russell was right to challenge her.  She tried to throw him under the bus and he was like "Oh no you just di'nt."  She's there because she's young, blond, and has boobs.  She may as well have been a contribution from the set design department instead of casting.  I did not see her do much of anything to help them win.  Granted Russell seems to keep shooting himself in the foot also.  He won't last much longer either.  And Mike is going to get medevac'd again, due to blood loss.  That guy is an accident waiting to happen, anytime he's awake.  He'll find a way to injure himself in his sleep next week, I just know it.  And I have no idea what this whole nonsense between Abi and RC is.  I didn't really want Abi to find the idol, but whatever.  I'm just starting to get comfy with the players enough to start determining who I'd like to see win, but not certain yet.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 04, 2012, 12:30:58 PM
Matsing continue their losing streak. While they do have some weaker players, Russell is a constant cause of most of their problems. Denise said she would go, but Russell goes instead, and gives up, then she kept going like a machine. They could have blitzed that challenge if Russell hadn't insisted on going again even after having a crap first run.
As you said, he keeps shooting himself in the foot. I think he's trying too hard to prove he's an asset to the team, but that just puts a target on his back either way. He learns nothing. I was actually hoping he would go, because I'd rather the eye candy. But she deserved to go, so no biggy.

And wtf with Mike yet again. :lol At first I thought it was mostly editing that he seemed so accident-prone, as I'm sure people hurt themselves, but he's a walking injury magnet.

I also find it hilarious that the immunity idol is sitting in plain sight on top of their food. Well played.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 04, 2012, 01:09:54 PM
Someone posted this on the other forum I'm on:

(https://i.imgur.com/Jr2co.jpg)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 04, 2012, 01:14:27 PM
That tribe keeps losing, but at least they keep voting out the right people every time.

Angie's attempt at revisionist history was hilarious, and I am glad Russell called her out on it at TC.

That Abi chick is a total snot; she is the walking definition of PMS. :lol

And while us males will miss Angie's knockers, we still have RC's to enjoy. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 04, 2012, 09:14:24 PM
RC makes me uneasy, though I'm not entirely sure why. On second thought, it's probably the fact that she is an investment banker and she lies about it.

At the same time, I feel oddly sorry for her having to deal with Abi... What a paranoid nut.

I was glad to see Angie go, as she really had nothing to offer other than her tits. Denise may be my favorite player so far, although it's a little too early to tell for sure. Plus, I feel like I know the players from blue tribe a lot better than the rest.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 11, 2012, 10:39:41 AM
This episode's result has absolutely no surprise at all. :lol There was just no chance anyone but Russell was getting voted out.
As someone else even said in the episode, Russell has no self awareness. First of all, he made himself a prime target in his own tribe ranting like a bad sport maniac after every loss, but doing it in front of the other two tribes and saying he should have won would have already had him off-side with the other tribes even if he made it to a merge.

Next week should be interesting with a tribe of only 2. They're going to have to do something about that very soon.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 11, 2012, 10:42:29 AM
I was really hoping they'd pull out a win this time.  But I was the same way about his ranting.  I even said "Dude, STFU, you're not helping yourself at all!"  Also, the artsy slow-mo shot of the other team's win was excellent.

Also, Andy at Reality Blurred offers an excellent analysis of the episode:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_philippines/2012_Oct_11_swan-out-exceptional-episode
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 11, 2012, 10:55:20 AM
Oh yeah, that shot was great. It was the old "will he or won't he". But then it caught it on the down-swing. PLOT TWIST!
I agree entirely with that write-up too. Good stuff.

And I was sort of hoping they'd make a comeback, but sort of not at the same time. I was going for them in the challenge, and I really was rooting for them once it got to those final few pots, but I also love seeing the game get incredibly skewed and seeing what happens.
I'm surprised they haven't messed with the game yet, but I'm glad they haven't. One tribe is already down to 2. Anything could happen at this stage, and that makes it more interesting to watch.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 11, 2012, 10:56:22 AM
Have you been watching Amazing Race?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 11, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
I still don't know who half of the people on Jonathan's tribe are. I know him, Jeff Kent and the ugly chick with tattoos and short hair, but everyone else is a blur right now.  Guess that means they will be sticking around for a while and we'll get to know them more eventually. 

Good riddance to Russell.

That Abi chick is still walking PMS.  I'll bet she is a pleasure in real life. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 11, 2012, 11:02:47 AM
I was thinking the same thing.  The black girl from one of the other tribes came on the screen and I was like "I don't remember ever seeing her before".  And definitely Abi is a HUGE pain in the ass.  Brilliant move planting the note in RC's stuff, so Abi would find it.

So the previews indicate someone may be medevac'd out next week.  I'll laugh my ass off if it's Mike.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 11, 2012, 11:07:03 AM
Abi is a nutbar. An absolute nutbar. And there was definitely a whole tribe in this episode that I just thought "who the hell are those guys?" :lol


Have you been watching Amazing Race?

Sure have. Are you starting a thread or what? I don't care if it's just us. :lol


Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 12, 2012, 06:01:06 AM
That Abi chick is really annoying.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 12, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
Finally got around to watching this week's episode. No surprise about Russell, although I was hoping he would find the immunity idol to spice things up. As you guys have already mentioned, it has been really tough keeping up with the people on other tribes. Penner was talking with Jeff and all of the sudden it panned over to the skinny guy who I'd never seen before.  :lol

It will be interesting to see how things unfold next week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2012, 03:34:30 AM
I figured they'd probably have to do something about the tribes this week, and it didn't surprise me that they just split them between the two teams. As they said, it just feels like starting from the beginning again.

Although I didn't like Dana, it's never nice seeing someone have to leave for medical reasons (unless it's something super badass). It's funny that they're already 2 players down straight after evening up. Maybe they're taking over as the loser team now. :lol

It would have been nice to see Malcolm and Denise able to stick together, because they were a good little team, and I like them both. Denise is easily the strongest female in the game, and being the "outsider", I was worried they'd vote her straight out, so I'm glad they didn't.

I liked this week's challenge too. They quickly found the loophole of throwing their own statue up into the air and then just knocking the opponent's statue straight to the ground, which worked pretty much every time. :lol
The preview for next week's challenge looked pretty good too.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 18, 2012, 04:44:45 AM
I like how Jeff is pointing out stuff in-game more often, like how Abbi is hardly participating in any challenges, or how Katie sucked out loud in last night's challenge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2012, 04:53:49 AM
I love it when he stirs stuff up. I can't imagine it feels too good to just have him calling out and singling out how terrible you're doing during a challenge either. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 18, 2012, 06:37:49 AM
Yeah, I thought the whole "throw yours in the air and hit the other guy's" strategy was kinda bullshit, but it obviously worked.  Probably one of those things they'd never considered someone would do when they designed the challenge.  And yeah, next week's challenge looks awesome.  I love it when they do down and dirty challeneges like that and get crazy physical, like the Schmergen Brawl (which CBS won't be using again).

It made ME uncomfortable to see Dana go out like that.  That's complete and total physical misery when you choose to leave, after being told you don't have to.  Jeff's right to call people out on shit, though last night, he was kinda non-stop about it with Katie.  I guess for good reason.  If Katie had made it over that hill 3 seconds faster, Kalabaw would've won.  I'm okay with the TC, okay to see Dawson go, really.  I thought, for some reason that she'd tell everyone on the way out that Jeff was a baseball player.  Don't know why.  Good for her for not blowing his cover.  However, her like insta-fatal attraction thing with Jeff on her way out was a little on the creepy side.  Andy from Reality Blurred put this together:

(https://i.imgur.com/60EaU.jpg)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2012, 06:43:36 AM
Yeah, I thought the whole "throw yours in the air and hit the other guy's" strategy was kinda bullshit, but it obviously worked.  Probably one of those things they'd never considered someone would do when they designed the challenge.  And yeah, next week's challenge looks awesome.  I love it when they do down and dirty challeneges like that and get crazy physical, like the Schmergen Brawl (which CBS won't be using again).


They obviously didn't consider that loophole. I can just imagine the crew watching that and just thinking "shit. I did not think of that". :lol
And next week's challenge preview reminds me more of the sumo wrestling one they had in the mud a few seasons ago. That one was insane.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 18, 2012, 09:27:34 AM
I thought the thing with Dawson being voted out and the way it focused on her as her torch was being snuffed was to add suspense, like, "Is she gonna turn around and out Jeff Kent?"  That is why I thought they did that.  And then she did the hug with Jeff and I was like :eek :rollin :rollin :rollin.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 18, 2012, 09:30:58 AM
The whole hug thing with Jeff Probst was just very odd to me.  It felt awkward watching it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2012, 09:36:10 AM
It was slightly creepy, although I felt it was random more than anything. I think she was just overwhelmed in the moment and took the opportunity because he's the popular host. Either that, or it was a ploy to secretly take a lock of his hair for some kind of voodoo doll, or perhaps a shrine.

I was also completely expecting her to turn around and tell give away the secret. They definitely edited the rest of the episode to play that up so it seemed like she was going to, so for her to just give Jeff a hug instead was just so hilariously random to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 18, 2012, 09:43:20 AM
It was slightly creepy, although I felt it was random more than anything. I think she was just overwhelmed in the moment and took the opportunity because he's the popular host. Either that, or it was a ploy to secretly take a lock of his hair for some kind of voodoo doll, or perhaps a shrine.

I was also completely expecting her to turn around and tell give away the secret. They definitely edited the rest of the episode to play that up so it seemed like she was going to, so for her to just give Jeff a hug instead was just so hilariously random to me.

Here's the thing though - I took this with her earlier interview piece, when Dana was sick, and she said that normally if Jeff showed up, she'd jump on him or something or other, but that this was obviously not an appropriate time.  Then the hug thing at the end.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2012, 09:51:08 AM
It was slightly creepy, although I felt it was random more than anything. I think she was just overwhelmed in the moment and took the opportunity because he's the popular host. Either that, or it was a ploy to secretly take a lock of his hair for some kind of voodoo doll, or perhaps a shrine.

I was also completely expecting her to turn around and tell give away the secret. They definitely edited the rest of the episode to play that up so it seemed like she was going to, so for her to just give Jeff a hug instead was just so hilariously random to me.

Here's the thing though - I took this with her earlier interview piece, when Dana was sick, and she said that normally if Jeff showed up, she'd jump on him or something or other, but that this was obviously not an appropriate time.  Then the hug thing at the end.

Oh right, that was her. My memory isn't that great, so I only had her little taunt scene on my mind at that point. So I guess it wasn't so random then, just stalker-y. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 26, 2012, 06:16:03 AM
So yeah, I wonder if when they had the Dream Team run the reward challenge to ensure it worked out okay, if they scored with ease or what.  I was really looking forward to a pretty epic battle on that one, but instead, we got very little action.  Bummer.  How Penner has avoided being voted out, I don't know, but he's getting really lucky.  Katie was pretty much useless aside from being another prop from the set design department.  It was the right choice to cut her loose.  I did find it amusing that though Penner's idea to trade rice for reward was highly irregular and maybe not popular to begin with, they got (basically) a double reward with the letters.  And the other team got very little more rice than they already had.  :lol  How'd that work out for you?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 26, 2012, 09:27:12 AM
That challenge was so awesome to begin with, but was a total let down with that bargain. After a fierce start, and a one-hour lockdown, it had the makings of a classic, so that was disappointing. Considering it only gained them one day of rice, it was a shitty bargain for that tribe. :lol

They made the right choice voting out Katie. She was awful in last week's challenge.

Abby continues to be a completely worthless and annoying waste of space. I almost wished they lost just so they had the opportunity to finally kick her out. She has zero interest in helping the tribe at all in challenges (which I'm glad Jeff keeps bringing up), and it's not like she has the social game to make up for it, because nobody likes her.

And who the hell is Carter? Seriously, he came out of nowhere this week. I swear I've never seen him before! :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 26, 2012, 11:14:31 AM
Yeah, it certainly looked like it would be epic, but it went cold real fast.  Bummer.  And I also love how Jeff keeps giving people shit.  This week and last week, he's made it pretty clear during each challenge that Katie has been pretty much worthless.  Abi, the same way.  She's whiny and annoying.  Buh-bye.  I still continue to be amazed by Denise.  She's one of the oldest people there, she has slightly less physical stature, due to being a female, but she busts ass every single time.  It's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 26, 2012, 11:19:28 AM
I agree entirely on Denise. She's impressed me ever since that swimming one, where she just kept going like a machine, and Russell kept losing the team's lead. She's in a bit of a bad spot being the "outsider" of the tribe, so hopefully her toughness can get her through some individual immunity challenges later on, because she's one of my favourites. And she hasn't gotten on anybody's bad side due to personality, and is pretty easygoing, so hopefully that will work in her favour too.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 02, 2012, 12:16:47 AM
MEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRGE

It's a bit unusual to see them get warning for a merge, and go to a new camp instead of just joining one of the existing camps. Strangely, they didn't show them naming the new tribe. Not that it's an interesting process to see, it's just unusual.

Penner was smart to use the idol this week. He was definitely thinking it over, but I'm sure he realized how stupid he would be to get voted out with an idol. And I like him, so I'm glad he stayed.

Shame the eye candy is gone, but she wasn't one of my favourite people. What did annoy me was seeing Abi's smug face afterwards. How is she still in the game? I'd rather she went.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 02, 2012, 06:44:07 AM
Yeah, this was an odd episode all around.  Denise CONTINUES to kick ass.  Wow.  Yeah, shame RC left, because I was REALLY irritated that Pete framed her and Abi doesn't know it.  REALLY not cool, but obviously a good move for him.  I like Penner also and am glad he played the idol.  I thought for sure he would play it and then get no votes, wasting it.  I don't know how he plans to get out of this mess next week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 02, 2012, 06:53:21 AM
I expected the idol might have ended up being wasted too, so I was surprised he got so many votes. A lot changes from one tribal council to the next, so we'll see what happens next time.
I feel like the tribe alliances are going to be less strong than they usually are at this point. Usually they stick to team alliances to pick off the other team, and you have the one or two defectors who got treated like crap in their own tribes. It didn't feel like that was as much the case this time.

I liked the immunity challenge. I always like the "outlast" kind of individual challenges, such as standing on narrow beams for as long as possible, or balancing balls for as long as possible, etc. This one was a little different for a change.

With Denise getting immunity, I think she might start to put a target on herself for being a strong player. She is a solid contender to win immunity challenges, so they might want to get rid of her while they can. Luckily she doesn't seem to have hit anyone's radar yet, and she seems to have a good little alliance going.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 02, 2012, 08:38:34 AM
I suspect the alliance of Pete, Abi and Artis will land one of them in the finals, but that's only because they will eventually be viewed as someone easily beatable, so they will get dragged to the finals for that reason alone.  I like the Malcolm and Denise alliance to get together again at some point and make a run to the end. 

Jeff Kent is a dope.  They were in position to take control with numbers, but he got so obsessed with not letting a returning player (Jonathan) get further than him that he lost sight of the big picture. 

Sadly, with RC now gone, all of the eye candy is gone.  First Angie, then Katie, and now RC. :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 02, 2012, 08:41:50 AM
he got so obsessed with not letting a returning player (Jonathan) get further than him that he lost sight of the big picture

This is one of the things that has irritated me the most.  This absolute blind drive to not be outlasted by Penner.  WTF?  He could be sitting a lot prettier by sticking with him than by going against him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 02, 2012, 08:43:37 AM
Kent would rather not win and guarantee himself finishing higher than Jonathan than risk going against him in the finals and possibly losing.  That is moronic. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 02, 2012, 08:44:44 AM
he got so obsessed with not letting a returning player (Jonathan) get further than him that he lost sight of the big picture

This is one of the things that has irritated me the most.  This absolute blind drive to not be outlasted by Penner.  WTF?  He could be sitting a lot prettier by sticking with him than by going against him.

I've always considered it a pretty strange reason to want someone out. If they won a previous series of Survivor, then sure, but the fact they competed and lost in a series of Survivor a decade ago isn't really a great reason to want someone out imo. Not very strategic.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 02, 2012, 08:49:55 AM
I don't know of Jeff Kent's baseball years, as I didn't follow it back then, but from what I hear he was kind of an asshole then.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 08, 2012, 08:19:54 AM
Now, THAT was an entertaining tribal council! :tup :tup

While I would have enjoyed Pete going, I liked seeing Kent get voted out.  His waffling last week and obsession with merely outlasting Penner was annoying, and I am glad Penner outlasted him in the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 08, 2012, 08:28:17 AM
Absolutely.  Right up to that moment I wasn't sure WHO I wanted to see go.  After his "It's only 600 grand by the time Obama takes it" speech, I'm glad he got sent out.  Hey asshole:  They had taxes long before 2008.  Anyway, it almost seemed like there might have been a possibility that Jeff could've been willing to work with Jonathan if he stayed.  I'd have been happy with seeing Pete OR Jeff go, really.  This TC may have surpassed the outrageously awesome 1st Phillip Sheppard TC.  Last night, you literally couldn't keep track of what alliance was what, who was getting called out, how ANYBODY was going to vote, or anything.  What a glorious clusterfuck.

That said, WTF is up with Penner?  First, he pulls off a ridiculously AWESOME upset at the immunity challenge, blowing EVERYBODY'S plans, then casts the sole vote for Abi?  What the hell?

And in usual fashion, whenever someone concocts a plan (Lisa's plan to blindside Malcom), why is it that the person who was told is COMPLETELY 100% INCAPABLE of not running their mouth immediately.  Pete immediately went to Malcolm, unsurprisingly.  I just don't get it.  If he thought it was a solid plan, why say anything?  Maybe he didn't agree with Lisa, I don't know.  Last night was kinda confusing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 08, 2012, 08:32:36 AM
Now, THAT was an entertaining tribal council! :tup :tup

While I would have enjoyed Pete going, I liked seeing Kent get voted out.  His waffling last week and obsession with merely outlasting Penner was annoying, and I am glad Penner outlasted him in the game.

Exactly that.

I actually like Penner, and he's a smart and reasonable player, and the only thing people seem to have against him is that he's a returning player, which isn't an issue to me. I think I would have preferred Pete to go, but I had no problem with the result anyway.

And what a hell of a tribal that was! Everything was out in the open, and totally crazy. I'm glad Malcolm survived, and revealing that he had the idol, then not playing it was a great (and ballsy) strategy to avoid getting any votes while still holding onto the idol, but I hope it doesn't bite him in the ass in future. He's my favourite player in the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 08, 2012, 08:56:08 AM
I want to see Malcolm, Denise, Penner or (despite her big mouth last night) Lisa win.  I would have said Skupin, too, but after he stupidly stuck with an alliance last night, an alliance that has openly had no use for him, he deserves to lose.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 08, 2012, 09:01:12 AM
And I agree about Malcolm and the idol.  It is gonna make it hard to vote for a few tribals since they never know if he'll play it or not.

Abi's idol is pointless, as I pretty much figure she is a lock for the final three since she is a miserable twat and everyone knows she won't get any votes.  If nothing else, I hope RC lays into her big time at that final tribal.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 08, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
Yep, those 4 would all be my choices to win too.
They've all played relatively honest games so far, and they're all very likable people, and aside from Lisa, have a pretty good balance of the physical game and the social game.
Lisa surprised me this episode with her strategy, and as Malcolm is my favourite I wasn't happy about that, but I still like her. And if she makes it to the final 3, her secret is coming out. That should be interesting. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 08, 2012, 09:05:32 AM
I REALLY hope that Pete's treachery in framing RC with the discovery of the immunity idol comes out at some point.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 08, 2012, 12:37:38 PM
Just finished last nights episode... Wow, what a tribal council. I was happy to see Jeff Kent take it in the ass, although I would have been just as happy if it had been Peter.

It definitely feels like at this point in the game, relative to past seasons, there are no strong alliances (which has made for a couple really entertaining tribals). I'm hoping Penner, Denise, or Malcolm can win it all, although I don't dislike Skupin either. After last night, I'm not like Lisa all that much.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 14, 2012, 09:51:04 PM
Good stuff again tonight! Glad to see Mike flip and take the numbers advantage away from Abbi and Peter, but a little disappointed that Lisa didn't also vote with him.  However, she appears to be having a legitimate internal struggle with it all, so I guess she just wasn't mentally prepared to turn yet.  And with eight left, most of the players are pretty likable, except for the obvious two and Carter.  And not that Carter isn't likable; he just hasn't done enough to be as likable as Lisa, Penner, Malcolm, Mike or Denise.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 15, 2012, 06:29:52 AM
I swear, if they do not get rid of Abi soon, I'm liable to break something.  She is like that itch you get square in the center of the bottom of your foot, while you're driving.  You can't do anything about it and it will annoy you mercilessly.  Yeah, it goes away eventually, but for now, it will torture you without end.

Also, Lisa seems to be a big fan of Survivor.  She of all people should know that loyalty will not win you the million dollars.  Not going to happen.  Abi wasn't very nice to her last night, so why in the HELL would she want to continue to stick with her and the others?  I get the internal struggle that "But, I gave them my word!"  Hello???  You say you're a fan of Survivor, but have you ever even watched it?  Peoples' word means precisely DICK on Survivor.

I AM glad to see that Mike flipped.  I really don't want to see Penner go.  The more I see of him, the more I like him.  The whole conversation with Lisa last night about the expectations she's always had to bow to?  Excellent groundwork for swaying her to their side.  It was almost like he was looking right into her soul.  Kinda cool.  Hopefully she will give up the loyalty to the others and come over.  But if not, hopefully Mike stays on their side.  Penner's strategy on the reward challenge was excellent.  It helped them out in a big way.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: bobs23 on November 15, 2012, 08:14:50 AM
The tribal awesomness will continue. Next weeks will be even better than this weeks. Of note, as good as this season is I feel next season will be even better.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 15, 2012, 08:20:30 AM
Sweet.  Phillippines again next season, if the trend continues.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 15, 2012, 08:22:09 AM
I swear, if they do not get rid of Abi soon, I'm liable to break something.  She is like that itch you get square in the center of the bottom of your foot, while you're driving.  You can't do anything about it and it will annoy you mercilessly.  Yeah, it goes away eventually, but for now, it will torture you without end.

Also, Lisa seems to be a big fan of Survivor.  She of all people should know that loyalty will not win you the million dollars.  Not going to happen.  Abi wasn't very nice to her last night, so why in the HELL would she want to continue to stick with her and the others?  I get the internal struggle that "But, I gave them my word!"  Hello???  You say you're a fan of Survivor, but have you ever even watched it?  Peoples' word means precisely DICK on Survivor.

I AM glad to see that Mike flipped.  I really don't want to see Penner go.  The more I see of him, the more I like him.  The whole conversation with Lisa last night about the expectations she's always had to bow to?  Excellent groundwork for swaying her to their side.  It was almost like he was looking right into her soul.  Kinda cool.  Hopefully she will give up the loyalty to the others and come over.  But if not, hopefully Mike stays on their side.  Penner's strategy on the reward challenge was excellent.  It helped them out in a big way.

Read my mind.
I laughed when Abi wasn't even picked for the reward challenge. That says it all. How does she expect Lisa to stay loyal to her, when she was a complete bitch to her?
Penner's strategy in the challenge didn't seem all that good at first, but it really helped them blitz that challenge by saving them all starting from scratch to find a bag. That was a cool challenge too.
The immunity challenge was great too. At first I thought it would be the old "balance something longer than everyone else" trick, but that was a really tough challenge that required skill.
I really liked Penner even more this week. He played the game well, and he's a smart guy. I'd like to see him go far. And Lisa redeemed herself too. She's too kind, if anything.

As much as I want Abi to go, the look on her face when Artis got voted out was fucking priceless. Wiped the smug right off her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 15, 2012, 08:25:07 AM
It was quite satisfying.  That chick is 7 gallons of bitch in a 5 gallon bucket.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 15, 2012, 08:29:27 AM
The best part is always when someone looks around to see in people's faces who voted for who. Again, priceless tonight.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 15, 2012, 08:48:49 AM
How obtuse is she?  Go to her twitter page.  She is clueless as to why she has so many people criticizing her, and she apparently blocks anyone who tweets a criticism at her.  Sounds like the classic "What did I do wrong?" playing the victim kind of person.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 15, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
I can TOTALLY see that being the case.  "You had a criticism about me instead of kissing my ass?  BLOCKED!"  People like that are an unnecessary drain on the planet's oxygen supply.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 15, 2012, 08:55:33 AM
How obtuse is she?  Go to her twitter page.  She is clueless as to why she has so many people criticizing her, and she apparently blocks anyone who tweets a criticism at her.  Sounds like the classic "What did I do wrong?" playing the victim kind of person.

I definitely get the impression from the show that she has no self awareness. Like this week when she said she thought she showed grace to Lisa. Really? All I saw was her completely patronizing Lisa and calling her gullible and naive.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 15, 2012, 08:58:10 AM
Rude, condescending, and passive-aggressive people are rarely even remotely aware of what repulsive people they can be.  Abi is a textbook example.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 15, 2012, 09:03:47 AM
Yeah, she doesn't have a clue what grace is.  Also, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxpso-1UL9E

Yeah, how did winning everyone over with your charm work out? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 15, 2012, 09:07:38 AM
Also, everybody is going to be excited to look at her.  :rollin

DIAF, moron.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 15, 2012, 09:08:48 AM
Damn, the video's blocked in my country, but I can imagine. Is it from the first episode? Shame I didn't keep it saved.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 15, 2012, 09:12:49 AM
Also, everybody is going to be excited to look at her.  :rollin

DIAF, moron.

Haha, she really think is she all that and a bag of chips.  Would it be mean to point out how ugly her teeth are? ;)  Who want to look at that?

Damn, the video's blocked in my country, but I can imagine. Is it from the first episode? Shame I didn't keep it saved.

No, it is all of the intro videos each Survivor does of themselves that are posted online. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 15, 2012, 09:14:11 AM
See if this link works:

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/2270292077/survivor-philippines-meet-abi-maria
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 15, 2012, 09:20:53 AM
Thanks guys. The cbs link didn't work either, but I managed to find a working link on Youtube knowing the name.


:rollin What a nutbar.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 15, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
Calling her a nutbar is probably an understatement. :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 22, 2012, 04:04:01 AM
Good result in tribal this week, with Abi giving up her idol, Pete leaving, and Malcolm boldly not playing his idol. Jeff was really pushing hard on Abi, especially saying she was full of it. :lol And Denises' comments were great too.

I can't believe how someone can be so oblivious. Hopefully she gets the boot next episode now that she doesn't have the idol. It's usually right at a time like this that they manage to pull an immunity win out of their hat though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 22, 2012, 07:15:32 AM
Yeah, very irritating how completely self-unaware she is.  Just when you think nobody can be that oblivious.  Holy shit.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 22, 2012, 07:52:18 AM
I am loving this season, and it is somehow fitting that Abi is all alone now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 22, 2012, 10:49:22 AM
Can't wait to see her go next week. After that, I'm hoping Penner can squeeze his way into the final 3. Malcolm and Denise are fantastic as well, but I don't care for Skupin or Lisa.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 22, 2012, 10:58:22 AM
Speaking of final 3 etc, I can't recall a series of Survivor (at least recently) where I've liked so many of the remaining people. Usually by this point it's thinned down to only one or two people remaining who I'd want to win, but I like most of the people still in it.
The only people left who I really don't want to win it are Abi and Carter. I'd equally love to see either Malcolm or Denise win it, because they've both been great players in every regard, and I like the way Penner has played the game too. And while Lisa and Skupin wouldn't be my picks, I wouldn't be disappointed if they won.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 23, 2012, 04:30:24 AM
I'm hoping Penner can squeeze his way into the final 3. Malcolm and Denise are fantastic as well, but I don't care for Skupin or Lisa.
This exactly.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 23, 2012, 11:10:16 AM
Speaking of final 3 etc, I can't recall a series of Survivor (at least recently) where I've liked so many of the remaining people. Usually by this point it's thinned down to only one or two people remaining who I'd want to win, but I like most of the people still in it.
The only people left who I really don't want to win it are Abi and Carter. I'd equally love to see either Malcolm or Denise win it, because they've both been great players in every regard, and I like the way Penner has played the game too. And while Lisa and Skupin wouldn't be my picks, I wouldn't be disappointed if they won.

This mostly sums it up for me, too. :tup :tup

I want Malcolm, Penner or Denise to win. 

I think many are assuming that Abbi will go next week, but I am not.  Sure, Denise talked about the honor in wanting to go up against the best, instead of dragging dead weight to the finals (that was awesome), but not sure everyone will feel that way, and I can see some of the remaining players now wanting to drag that dead weight and her shitty attitude to the finals.  I almost hope it happens just to see her get picked apart again, this time by the jury.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 23, 2012, 11:51:46 AM
I sure hope that's not the case. As much as I'd like to see the jury eat her alive, it would not be worth having to watch her stick around for the next couple weeks.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 28, 2012, 07:16:57 PM
It was sad seeing Penner go. As much as I like both Denise and Malcolm, I think I would have been happiest to see Penner win it all.  He played a very strategically sound game, while also being very honest and upfront, and easily could have won had it not been for Lisa's need to get a final alliance. Then again, Penner is at a fault for not trying to secure that final alliance earlier when given the opportunity.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 28, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
Hopefully she gets the boot next episode now that she doesn't have the idol. It's usually right at a time like this that they manage to pull an immunity win out of their hat though.

Yep, saw it coming. I swear they save the obligatory auction challenge for just the right moment like this when it's going to throw a spanner in the works. The last round of that challenge wasn't even as hard as the others. The time was all in untying knots, and there was little physical element to it compared to the first two rounds.
I'm annoyed that nobody else realized this was going to happen going into the reward auction, because they always auction off an advantage. I just hope they don't believe Abi's BS about the note also giving a clue to a hidden immunity idol to screw over their voting two weeks in a row.

And I was also sad to see Penner go. He played a great game without lying and cheating his way through. Yet again Malcolm didn't play his idol, although it makes sense. They didn't have the numbers to split votes, which means that any votes against him would have been thrown away votes, so it wouldn't have been a smart move.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 28, 2012, 10:49:40 PM
I liked Penner, but I kind of want to see Denise win, so I was glad it went the way it did.  Especially since I didn't want to see Abbi still there while Denise is voted out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 28, 2012, 11:00:18 PM
I would rather see Denise win than Penner, so in that regard I was happy with the outcome. But Penner would have been my #3 with Denise/Malcolm.

And considering the immature little poking out the tongue she did when Denise went to vote, can you imagine how she would have reacted if Denise got voted out?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 29, 2012, 06:19:35 AM
Bummed to see Penner go.  I really liked him.  He would be an excellent ally to Coach.  As would Lisa.  Lisa probably even MORE so, due to her complete incapability to jump ship for any reason whatsoever.  Her blind and unwavering loyalty is on one hand very admirable and on the other hand kind of foolish.  When it gets to four, unless she wins immunity, she'll be the first to go.  I liked Probst's attempt at getting Lisa to out herself at Tribal Council.  Nice try, dick.  Also, Malcolm gets point for making one of the most accurate statements in the history of Survivor.  "Abbi is very un-self-aware."
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 29, 2012, 06:29:23 AM
Lisa probably even MORE so, due to her complete incapability to jump ship for any reason whatsoever.  Her blind and unwavering loyalty is on one hand very admirable and on the other hand kind of foolish. 

Very true. As she was saying in this episode, she's really not cut out for Survivor. Her honesty is an admirable attribute in real life, but in the game of Survivor, not so much. It reminds me a bit of Brandon Hantz a few seasons ago, except that guy was also a total whackjob to boot.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 29, 2012, 06:30:46 AM
Oh hell yeah.  That guy was completely off his fucking rocker.  No surprise that he ended up divorced.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 29, 2012, 06:47:35 AM
Speaking of Hantz, I wonder how long they're going to keep up the one returning player per tribe idea? Personally I like it, because a lot of the contestants are too entertaining to only get one season, so I'm glad they keep finding ways to bring back favourites. I just wonder if they're going to mix it up soon, because they're always messing around with the formula.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 29, 2012, 06:49:09 AM
Probst has said they'll have returnees as often as possible:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_philippines/2012_Jul_30_returnees-forever
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 29, 2012, 07:01:09 AM
I'm glad to hear that. At the start of a season none of the characters stand out yet, so I like having familiar people there, and seeing how much they learned from their past season(s) in the way they play the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 05, 2012, 07:12:04 PM
Jesus Christ! Get Lisa out of there
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 05, 2012, 11:02:59 PM
Gaaaah, I cannot believe they even for a second believed the notion that Abi might have an idol. It was just such a blatantly desperate tactic to say "I have the 4th hidden immunity idol". It sucks that she got away with that bluff. After not playing it tonight, I hope all doubt is removed for next week's episode. Since next episode is the last time it can be played, I hope Malcolm plays his idol regardless just to be safe.

I don't like the direction Lisa is heading in. I'm not convinced she can play the strategic game, and I think that will backfire.

I'd love to see Malcolm and Denise in the top 3. It will be interesting to see how next episode pans out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2012, 06:31:33 AM
I absolutely despise the "loved ones" episode.  Making the winner pick 2 people who can stay with their loved ones longer, while the others have to say goodbye?  Terrible to put people in that position.  I know it's all about strategy and force people to work trhough emotions for strategic purposes, but it's still awful to manipulate people like that.

So yeah, Lisa is incapable of taking her heart out of the equation when it comes to Survivor.  However, it makes you wonder, did she get this far because of that or is she just lucky?  I'm going with luck.  The only other person to be known for playing with that kind of integrity is Coach, who lost all three times.  I'm still scratching my head that the jury gave Sophie the win and not him.

Just please, people, get Abi the fuck out.  "If Abi goes home tonight, it's because she's a bitch."  No shit.  I cannot stand another second of her.  She's as bad as people like NaOnka were.  Complete self-absorption and inability to read social cues.  Frustrating as hell.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 06, 2012, 06:41:26 AM
Speaking of the "loves ones" challenge, was it just me or was Abi the only one who showed no emotion at all? The others were crying and hugging, and Abi was just like "hi." Completely cold even towards her own family.

I noticed even Jeff was tearing up when Lisa hugged her brother.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2012, 06:45:11 AM
We were sitting there like "Oh, Lisa, that's the 'ugly cry' right there."  Yeah, that's always such a crazy emotional episode.  So cruel.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2012, 08:15:41 AM
Gaaaah, I cannot believe they even for a second believed the notion that Abi might have an idol. It was just such a blatantly desperate tactic to say "I have the 4th hidden immunity idol". It sucks that she got away with that bluff. After not playing it tonight, I hope all doubt is removed for next week's episode. Since next episode is the last time it can be played, I hope Malcolm plays his idol regardless just to be safe.
 

Well, she did, in the sense that she didn't get voted off, but I think they all know she is lying about.  If they really thought she had one, they would have split the votes (3 to her and 1 to Carter, which means she would have been out with a 4-2 vote, since Carter and Abi were both voting for the other) to flush it out.  But Carter is a much more dangerous threat in the next challenge than she is, so it made more sense for the four to get rid of him first since they figure she won't win immunity next time and then they can just get rid of her.  And then they can hope to get rid of Malcolm when it is down to the four.



So yeah, Lisa is incapable of taking her heart out of the equation when it comes to Survivor.  However, it makes you wonder, did she get this far because of that or is she just lucky? I'm going with luck.  The only other person to be known for playing with that kind of integrity is Coach, who lost all three times. I'm still scratching my head that the jury gave Sophie the win and not him.
 

Are you kidding?  Coach had about as much integrity as Russell.  He was one of the biggest liars and bull shitters the show has ever seen.  Sure, he toned it way down in his last season, but the first two seasons he talked all of this integrity nonsense while lying his ass off left and right.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2012, 08:18:17 AM
Maybe integrity wasn't really the idea I was going for.  I think I'm still clouded by all his honor and warrior spirit talk.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2012, 08:21:44 AM
He had no honor either. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2012, 08:22:36 AM
Which was funny, given how much he spoke of its merit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2012, 08:25:45 AM
I guess it goes back to what Abbi said last night: if you tell a lie long enough, people will start to believe it, even yourself.  Coach was the walking definition of that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 06, 2012, 08:28:06 AM
Gaaaah, I cannot believe they even for a second believed the notion that Abi might have an idol. It was just such a blatantly desperate tactic to say "I have the 4th hidden immunity idol". It sucks that she got away with that bluff. After not playing it tonight, I hope all doubt is removed for next week's episode. Since next episode is the last time it can be played, I hope Malcolm plays his idol regardless just to be safe.
 

Well, she did, in the sense that she didn't get voted off, but I think they all know she is lying about.  If they really thought she had one, they would have split the votes (3 to her and 1 to Carter, which means she would have been out with a 4-2 vote, since Carter and Abi were both voting for the other) to flush it out.  But Carter is a much more dangerous threat in the next challenge than she is, so it made more sense for the four to get rid of him first since they figure she won't win immunity next time and then they can just get rid of her.  And then they can hope to get rid of Malcolm when it is down to the four.

All true. Even though Carter would have theoretically been gone next time anyway, it just annoys me that Abi stays in for another episode when none of them truly believed her lie. I guess it was easier not to take any chances, especially for the reasons you've stated with Carter, and given that Abi has literally zero chance of winning even if she does make it to the fiinal 3.

I hope the Denise/Malcolm alliance remains as solid as it seems to take them both to the final 3. They're both strong players who could realistically win immunity to make their position stronger (Malcolm's guaranteed top 4 at this point anyway, of course).
But I wouldn't make any predictions just yet. Lisa's becoming more unpredictable, and Abi is very desperate at this point, and Skupin seems kind of wishy washy, and I could see him flipping once he realizes he needs to make a move to stay in the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2012, 08:32:50 AM
I guess it goes back to what Abbi said last night: if you tell a lie long enough, people will start to believe it, even yourself.  Coach was the walking definition of that.

He was a strange one.  First time he was on, he kinda irked me with the larger than life persona he tried to put on.    I wasn't a huge fan of his.  Then in the subsequent appearances, he still played it up, but it's almost like he was in on the joke this time.  Then his wackiness became a little easier to deal with and I very much liked him.

Regarding Carter - I'm surprised anybody there even realized there was someone named Carter in the game, enough to have written his name down.  Andy, from Reality Blurred likened picking between Abi and Carter to having to choose between an annoying ringtone and a dial tone.   :rollin

Still I am amazed by Denise's abilities to bring it in challenges.  Sure you had people like Parvati, who wewre pretty decent in challenges, but something about Denise just amazes me, maybe due to the fact that she's older, you wouldn't expect her to be giving so much effort at challenges.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2012, 08:34:38 AM
I think Malcolm is dead meat at four unless he wins immunity. They all know he would win in the finals.  I don't think Lisa can win now; her wishy-washy behavior will make much of the jury not want to give her the money.  Denise and Skupin are in the best positions right now, I think.

Cozmo, regarding Denise, I agree, and I hope she wins, but shouldn't a sex therapist have a little more sex appeal? ;) :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2012, 08:36:19 AM
That's a very good point, but look at Dr. Ruth.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 06, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
I think Malcolm is dead meat at four unless he wins immunity. They all know he would win in the finals.  I don't think Lisa can win now, as wishy-washy behavior will make much of the jury not want to give her the money.  Denise and Skupin are in the best positions right now, I think.

Cozmo, regarding Denise, I agree, and I hope she wins, but shouldn't a sex therapist have a little more sex appeal? ;) :lol

Maybe that's why she needed to learn sex therapy? :P

Malcolm is definitely going to be that guy who needs to win immunity to make it through.
Skupin won't win, because they seem to hate the returning players, plus he hasn't done anything of merit in any area of the game. Lisa has been all over the place, so nobody will vote for her. Abi couldn't get a single vote if her life depended on it. It's between Denise and Malcolm to win. Malcolm is the more obvious threat though.

On that note, Denise has done a surprisingly great job of flying under the radar so far, considering she's quite a strong player, hasn't gotten off-side with anyone (aside from Abi who doesn't count), and yet hasn't tried to shy away either. Not bad for a player who joined her team later in the game and didn't have the strong team loyalty going for her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 06, 2012, 04:43:14 PM
I'd be interested in seeing how it would play out if Malcolm and Denise were both in the final 3. They've essential both gone through the same thing this game. Allied from the beginning, lose every challenge, go to a different tribe, merge and get back together. They've both played very good social games, and both been very good physically. If they were both in the finals, I feel like Malcolm would win, but not necessarily because he played a better game. They've basically played the same game. The biggest difference, I think, is that Malcolm may have had a bigger target on himself for being so strong in challenges. But with regards to that, he really hasn't done any better than Denise.

Anyways, I would be pretty surprised if either of them didn't win. Lisa is a flake with very little strategy, Skupin's strategy has been no more than 'go with the flow' and has been a non factor in challenges, and then there's Abi...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 09:11:06 AM
SPOILERS for the upcoming season - including information to possibly spoil this season's outcome - don't check the link if you don't want any potential info on this season's outcome.  As noted, it's pretty much a given that they'll bring cast members back all the time now.  There are plenty returning next season.  The link:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2012_Dec_12_returnee-names-seasons

There are a few that I'm kinda meh about and had to look them up first to see who they were.  Others, one in particular, I'm pretty :caffeine: about.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2012, 09:12:18 AM
Without ....... spoiling anything, can you tell me much spoilage this potential spoiler spoils? I really want to know about next season, but I also don't want to know anything about the outcome of this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 09:14:46 AM
Someone that has not been voted out yet will be returning next season - a possible indication that they didn't win THIS season, but who knows?  That should be spoiler-y enough without telling you who.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2012, 09:16:18 AM
So is that the only potential spoiler? I *may* be able to live with that one if that's all (and I'd say it's a pretty good assumption that they didn't win). And if it's someone that I wanted to win, at least I'd be happy to see them returning. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 09:18:02 AM
That's the only spoiler for this season, really.  Plus the spoilers of who's coming back.  Figured I'd mention it at the beginning of the post for those that didn't want to know.  But then again, i guess you have to expect spoilers if you come in here reading stuff, right?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2012, 09:21:43 AM
That's the only spoiler for this season, really.  Plus the spoilers of who's coming back.  Figured I'd mention it at the beginning of the post for those that didn't want to know.  But then again, i guess you have to expect spoilers if you come in here reading stuff, right?

At this point, I think it was wise to disclaimer the possible spoiler, since it affects the currently running season beyond what has been shown on TV, so wise call.
Once the season is finished however, yeah, you would expect possible spoilers.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 10:01:14 AM
So I'm thinking they should do a season called Survivor: Asshole Island.  They could get some new players, then bring back a bunch of previous contestants who were fairly universally reviled for being nasty or irritating people.  Bring back Abi, Colton, Brandon, NaOnka, and others.  Special prize to the returning player who manages to be the least obnoxious enough to outlast the other returnees.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2012, 10:03:49 AM
So I'm thinking they should do a season called Survivor: Asshole Island.  They could get some new players, then bring back a bunch of previous contestants who were fairly universally reviled for being nasty or irritating people.  Bring back Abi, Colton, Brandon, NaOnka, and others.  Special prize to the returning player who manages to be the least obnoxious enough to outlast the other returnees.

:lol Sounds sort of like Heroes vs Villians, except brutal. Love it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 10:09:12 AM
Yeah, they can send the voted out people to "Asshole Island", like Redemption Island.  Whoever LOSES the challenge at Asshole Island stays.  Then when they finally get the chance to come back in, they have to do a "me vs. everybody else" immunity challenge to to stay in.  If they lose, they have to leave.  If they somehow manage to win, then they have to accept the win with the caveat that they're automatically voted out at the next tribal council.  Something like that.  I haven't worked out all the details.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2012, 10:14:45 AM
When you're on asshole island, you do the video thingy to the camera, but they don't tell you that there's a live feed from asshole island back to camp.
Also, at tribal council, the voting isn't anonymous. You have to cast your vote verbally in front of the tribe.

I'll get back to you with the rest. You're welcome.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
The live feed back to camp is fantastic.  Absolutely essential.  They could hold the whole thing in Detroit or Compton or something.  THOSE are places you should feel lucky to have survived.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2012, 10:20:50 AM
I actually thought the public voting was a better idea. Imagine the bitchiness at camp, when you can't hide from trying to backstab someone. Imagine the bitching right there as they vote! The evil glances at each other.

And Survivor: Ghetto is a fantastic idea. :lol They have to hunt for rats, and they're given a giant can of beans to survive on, and their shelter is made in an alley.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 10:23:22 AM
I like that part also.  No treachery possible, you're just like "BOOM, I vote to evict you, loser!" (Now I'm talking like it's Big Brother)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2012, 10:25:08 AM
Basically it's just there to stir shit up, and not let anyone scheme in private without everyone knowing. The intent is to make them pretty much kill each other at camp. :lol

Imagine those ratings.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 10:25:54 AM
THAT is Survivor.  T'would be epic.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 12, 2012, 07:08:50 PM
Ding dong, the bitch is gone!! :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
About fucking time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 12, 2012, 08:19:31 PM
Seriously. Denise or Malcolm will now proceed to win. I'm curious to see the link about next season, but I think I will hold off if there is any indication as to who will win the current season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 13, 2012, 06:55:23 AM
Ding dong, the bitch is gone!! :tup :tup

:victorydance:

She just shoots herself in the foot every time she opens her mouth, and it FINALLY caught up with her.
So calling Skupin a moron continuously during tribal was your plan to get him to not vote for you? :lol

I loved seeing Denise stuck at camp with Abi, because she was completely patronizing her and just agreeing with everything to keep the peace. It was like she was babysitting.

Also guys, I have a great drinking game for next season (or this season if you want). During tribal, whenever anyone starts an answer with "absolutely", you take a drink. Good luck remembering who got voted out the next day.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 13, 2012, 07:04:37 AM
Good God, I'd be in the hospital.  :lol

I started to think she was PURPOSELY calling Skupin names.  The worse she made herslef look, the more likely (in her mind) that someone would be convinced to take her to the end.  Also, Skupin continues to amass injuries, damn near getting blasted by exploding shit in the camp fire.  Him getting wired up on soda was prety amusing also.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 13, 2012, 08:46:15 AM
I think Abbi was just pissed that she knew she was getting voted out, so she resorted to name-calling because that's just who she is.  I suspect she is gonna take a beating at the reunion on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 13, 2012, 08:51:50 AM
I think Abbi was just pissed that she knew she was getting voted out, so she resorted to name-calling because that's just who she is.  I suspect she is gonna take a beating at the reunion on Sunday.

Speaking of which, I'm actually surprised she didn't completely lash out after being voted out, because she seems like the kind of person to go down in flames. Although her "good luck to all of you" was typically completely passive aggressive anyway.
And she is going to get slaughtered at the reunion. I hadn't even thought of that until now. She's going to cry. And my care level will be non-existent. Now I'm excited.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 13, 2012, 08:59:28 AM
This week's ponderosa episodes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkhklwUtUq0&list=UUlzCn8DxRSCuMFv_WfzkcrQ&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlvcWArSpg

Interestingly, a lot of people think RC is coming off much worse here than Abbi is.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 13, 2012, 09:15:26 AM
This week's ponderosa episodes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkhklwUtUq0&list=UUlzCn8DxRSCuMFv_WfzkcrQ&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlvcWArSpg

Interestingly, a lot of people think RC is coming off much worse here than Abbi is.

The CBS channel won't let me view it in my country, although the SurvivorVideosCBS channel would. Don't hear me complaining!

I didn't even know they did videos of this. I'll have to watch these more often in future. I'd always wondered if the jury members were allowed to mingle afterwards or were kept isolated, so I enjoyed seeing that a lot. Very different dynamic.

I think in a vacuum, RC does come off worse, but in context, she was completely justified in how she treated Abi here. How else can you even respond to someone as ignorant and so lacking in self awareness as Abi?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 16, 2012, 07:51:41 PM
Such a tough immunity challenge. Damn!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 16, 2012, 07:53:19 PM
Denise is going to win it all by a landslide.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on December 16, 2012, 07:55:29 PM
Also, perhaps my favorite line of the season.

Angie: "I'm very well-rounded"
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 16, 2012, 08:15:04 PM
Bahahaha. Abi's death scowl at Tribal Council was lethal.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 16, 2012, 09:51:35 PM
How the hell did Lisa beat Malcolm as the player of the season? She was a complete flake.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2012, 03:34:16 AM
I haven't watched the reunion yet, but I just saw the announcement. Good job, Denise! This is probably the first time in a while that I recall that all 3 remaining contestants got a vote (as there's usually one who isn't even in the running).

It's a shame Malcolm let his nerves get the better of him in that immunity challenge. Even with the advantage, he just did terrible. It was nice to see Malcolm and Denise remain somewhat diplomatic even though they knew it was one or the other at that point.

Denise's speaking skills really helped her at the final vote. I was worried she was going to alienate them and come across as arrogant with how confident she was, but luckily that wasn't the case. She played a great game, and pleaded her case very well.

edit after watching the reunion:
Lisa won the fan vote? Really?? Malcolm should have slayed that. Lisa really got offside with me in the last few episodes. Abi seems to have either had some self realization, or has gotten better at acting like she's not a bitch. :lol

And I just read back to the spoilers for next season. They're really milking the Hantz family for all it's worth. I knew that whoever lost out of Malcolm/Denise would be included too, so including Malcolm again thrills me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 17, 2012, 04:53:48 AM
Great season!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2012, 05:11:29 AM
I enjoyed this season a lot more than last season. I couldn't even stick out last season, but this season really unfolded well till the very end, and I was quite happy with the outcome. Denise really deserved it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 17, 2012, 06:31:52 AM
I was glad to see Denise win.  Outstanding season, really, really good stuff.  I was surprised that the jury said with Malcolm and Denise in the final, she still would've won.

I was a little surprised at how irritated Malcolm was with her at the final TC.  Also, Penner's soliloquy at FTC was interesting, but I was kinda surprised at his need to "out" Lisa like that.  Seemed kinda harsh.

As for next season. I have five words for you all:

SPECIAL AGENT PHILIP MOTHERFUCKING SHEPARD

I'm excited.  He's a trainwreck, but they're putting him and "Fransessqua" back in the game together.  I hope he sticks around for a while.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2012, 06:39:02 AM
I was glad to see Denise win.  Outstanding season, really, really good stuff.  I was surprised that the jury said with Malcolm and Denise in the final, she still would've won.

That shocked me too. I would have expected an even split at best.

I was a little surprised at how irritated Malcolm was with her at the final TC.  Also, Penner's soliloquy at FTC was interesting, but I was kinda surprised at his need to "out" Lisa like that.  Seemed kinda harsh.

Ah but this is all the beauty of the final tribal council, is it not? I'm surprised that Malcolm acted like that too. And I enjoyed Penner's speech. He's always pretty well spoken, so I knew he'd be a good'un.

As for next season. I have five words for you all:

SPECIAL AGENT PHILIP MOTHERFUCKING SHEPARD

I'm excited.  He's a trainwreck, but they're putting him and "Fransessqua" back in the game together.  I hope he sticks around for a while.

YES! I'm crap with names, so I had to Google him to remember which one he was, but that will be great. I really love the "all star" type series, so I can't wait.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 17, 2012, 06:42:11 AM
Also, they went WAY back and got Erik, Mr. "Stupidest Move In Survivor History".  I damn sure hope he's not as naive this time around.  There was such a collective facepalm when he did that, that you could almost hear it up and down the east coast.  Wow.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2012, 06:50:44 AM
Also, they went WAY back and got Erik, Mr. "Stupidest Move In Survivor History".  I damn sure hope he's not as naive this time around.  There was such a collective facepalm when he did that, that you could almost hear it up and down the east coast.  Wow.

I didn't see that season, so I had to look it up. Yeah, pretty stupid move.
What I love for returning players is seeing how they change, or don't change. Sometimes they'll make the same mistakes, or sometimes they try and play entirely differently resulting in even more amusing results.
As much as I hate her, it would have been interesting to see Abi return for another season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 17, 2012, 09:02:41 AM
I was happy to see Denise win, although I would have been fine with either Mike or Lisa winning, as well. 

I think Lisa won the fan vote because fans liked and appreciated her vulnerability, plus the fact that she never came off as devious or conniving.  She was and is very likable.

Don't buy Abi's garbage about needing to change for a second.  She was still playing the victim and acting all snotty and immature on twitter as recently as two weeks ago, the last time I looked, so I think she was spewing crap for viewers.

Even though I didn't like Pete, he was right: RC was still bitter.  She needs to let it go now.

And Dawson planting one on Probst at the reunion? :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 17, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
Oh, and I like Penner, but I thought "outing" Lisa like that at the end of the final TC was kind of lame.  Was that really necessary?  Lisa's retort was excellent, too, asking him if he told everyone what he did when he was a teenager.  Very low class of Penner, I thought, and he definitely came off as yet another bitter jury member.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 17, 2012, 09:21:04 AM
Absolutely.  I was really kinda surprised by it, because it came off very vengeful, which is pretty uncharacteristic for him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 17, 2012, 04:01:10 PM
In regards to the next season, I'm super excited to see the special agent make a comeback. I also remember liking the geeky superfan Cochran. Not super excited about the rest of them, especially the Hantz runt, but it should still make for an interesting season!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 14, 2013, 11:05:45 AM
February 13th, Survivor returns!  There's a cast introductions video at the following link:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_Jan_11_cast
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 14, 2013, 11:23:01 AM
Do you think they have enough hot blondes on the fans side? :lol No lack of eye candy there. That aside, there seem to be some great choices there.

A lot of great choices for the favourites tribe, and a few puzzlers. Francesca? I can't remember her at all, and I saw the season, and it was recent. A lot of other obvious choices that I think will be interesting.

I think this will be a good season. :tup I'm glad we don't have to wait long.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 14, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
I watch the scene with Erik giving up immunity and I'm STILL completely shocked at what a dumbass he was.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on January 14, 2013, 02:41:48 PM
Wow, very soon already. This should be a good one! Can't wait to see how the secret agent pulls this one off.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 14, 2013, 03:01:23 PM
I know, I'm kinda excited about it.  The longer it went on, the more I started to think it was purposeful lunacy on his part.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on January 14, 2013, 03:12:43 PM
It would have been interesting to see if he could have gotten any votes from the jury by convincing them all it had been an act the whole time. Playing the 'fooled you into thinking I was just another crazy person to bring along to the finals' card might have surprised some people, but unfortunately I think he may have been so disliked by then that it wouldn't have made a difference.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 24, 2013, 10:44:33 PM
Introduction videos have been put up. I'd post a link, but I don't know the official link, since I can't watch them from the official channel.

Allie - Oh look, a cute young blond chick.

Hope - Oh look, another cute young blond.

Brandon - He doesn't seem to have learned anything, and seems a bit delusional about how he played the game last time. I'm expecting much of the same from him, and probably an earlier exit. They're really milking the Hantz family for all its worth though.

Cochran - He seems pretty self aware about where he went wrong last time. Whether he's changed or not, I'm glad to see him back, because he was a fun character.

Phillip - I still don't get this guy. I think that's what makes him so entertaining, so at least he got that part right. A good choice for a returning player. The nutbars always keep it fun and unpredictable.

Matt - I always have to go for the long haired dude, and he seems cool.

Shamar - I like this guy! He's probably not going to last, but I hope he does.

Sherri - Pretty sure those eyebrows didn't move.

The rest of the new males seem pretty dull and generic.

I think this should be a great season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on January 25, 2013, 11:21:57 AM
I'm really excited about Phillip and Cocchran. The rest not so much.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 13, 2013, 09:41:24 AM
Tonight's the night!  Hour and a half Survivor premiere.  Up against episode 3 of Hollywood Week on American Idol.  Hell of a night!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 13, 2013, 09:44:46 AM
Shite, is it that time again already? Can't wait! This season is shaping up to be really good.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 13, 2013, 09:46:48 AM
Indeed it is.  Booyah!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 13, 2013, 10:19:43 AM
I haven't watched in a few seasons but got in an office pool. I have some young blonde 'fan' as my pic...I forgot her name already and my wife has the 'fan' Eddie. It'll be neat to watch again after not watching the past two seasons.
  They still doing immunity idols and redemption chances?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 13, 2013, 10:24:25 AM
No Redemption Island last season.  There's still hidden immunity idols, but the clues for them are usually hidden somewhere that someone will inevitably stumble upon it (like hidden deep in the bag of rice, for example).  Adds to the option for someone to sneak the clue into their pocket and walk off later ot read it.  I'm really looking forward to this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 13, 2013, 10:25:35 AM
I haven't watched in a few seasons but got in an office pool. I have some young blonde 'fan' as my pic...I forgot her name already and my wife has the 'fan' Eddie. It'll be neat to watch again after not watching the past two seasons.
  They still doing immunity idols and redemption chances?

They've stopped with Redemption Island, but they always do immunity idols. I don't think they restock them as often since Russell though. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 13, 2013, 10:30:06 AM
I haven't watched in a few seasons but got in an office pool. I have some young blonde 'fan' as my pic...I forgot her name already and my wife has the 'fan' Eddie. It'll be neat to watch again after not watching the past two seasons.
  They still doing immunity idols and redemption chances?

They've stopped with Redemption Island, but they always do immunity idols. I don't think they restock them as often since Russell though. :lol
Please tell me they are more difficult to find or figure out? For a while there the clues were like 'It's under the large red X on the beach'
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2013, 10:33:10 AM
I wish they'd get back to having interesting challenges, but I am not counting on it.  It seems like nearly every challenge is now, "Run some obstacle course, find puzzle pieces, and then come back and put the puzzle together." BORING.  Challenging for the players, sure, but boring as hell for us viewers to watch, IMO.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 13, 2013, 10:36:58 AM
I think a killer kick off immunity challenge would be to start and maintain a fire. First two to do so get immunity for, I don't know, 2 tribals their part of? I mean, every player should know how to start a fire from scratch. It's friggin 'Survivor'! Do something that requires 'survival' skills. Build a snare....something
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 13, 2013, 07:39:45 PM
Simply amazing. Fucking great episode.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 13, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Cochran is pretty funny...his dead pan sense of humor and timing are great. Probst:"Cochran, when did you get sunburnt?"
                                                                                                              Cochran:"Instantly"  :rollin
I can already tell you who I don't like from the fans....it's the big Marine. I know they edit the show for the drame effect but from his sitting on his butt while they're building a shelter...to his nonsensacle reasoning on why he was going to jump in and save the day on starting the fire...don't like him..at all.

You could kind of sense the way they cut and edited the show that Francesca was going home first again. I didn't care one way or the other.....I was suprised at how tame Brandon was and then the previews for next week hit and it looks like he's going to go off again.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 13, 2013, 09:51:34 PM
No surprise about the Brandon preview for next week. That guy has more issues than a newsstand.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2013, 10:54:01 PM
Francesca played the game too hard from the start last time and was voted out first, so what did she do this time?  The same thing.  And was met with the same result. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 14, 2013, 04:17:44 AM
Simply amazing. Fucking great episode.

Was it ever! Both challenges were really cool, especially the opener. It's like a smaller scale version of the one last season that ended up fizzling out because both teams bargained their way out of it. That was fierce.
Two big physical challenges, and I liked both teams. I didn't care who won, I just enjoyed watching it. So far, this season is shaping up every bit as good as I'd hoped.

It's pretty funny that Francesca went first again. Let's face it, she was only there because of her relationship with Phillip, not because of her, so that was no huge loss.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 14, 2013, 07:03:20 AM
I think Phillip was too quick to be dismissive of Fransessqua.  She tried to make amends and he more or less ignored her.  He could have used her to his advantage.  Anybody who saw their season would NEVER have imagined that they would be working together.  It could've been a pretty good move on his part.

That opening challenge was excellent.  Hi everyone, you're here.  There's your other team.  A bunch of returnees.  Now strip down.  It's fucking ON.

BOOM

Pretty damned badass.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 15, 2013, 09:15:44 PM
When Phillip is talking to the camera alone, I feel like I've recovered lost footage of the last man alive driven crazy in a post-apocalyptic world. He takes himself soooo seriously, and its incredibly entertaining. I was glad that they got rid of Fransequa, as she would have been gunning form Phillip with all her might.

Also really enjoyed Cochran, and its good to see Malcolm again. Brandon... Not so much.

As for the newbies, I didn't like the 4 self-proclaimed 'cool people', and hope they don't stick around too long. Didn't see enough of the others to form any concrete opinions, but I have a feeling ill like big beard and hat man.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 16, 2013, 12:43:11 PM
As for the newbies, I didn't like the 4 self-proclaimed 'cool people', and hope they don't stick around too long. Didn't see enough of the others to form any concrete opinions, but I have a feeling ill like big beard and hat man.

Yeah that 'Brat Pack' is annoying already....and what's even more annoying is that in my office pool I drew Ally, the chick who was making out with that dude and my wife drew Eddie...the guy who made the real deep analogy about it being like high school and they were the cool kids. Doesn't look like either of us will be winning the pool....unless my chick sleeps her way to the end...

I agree with you also that the Bearded and 'Hat' man already look to be good players...it'll be interesting to see if they can at least make it to the merge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 17, 2013, 04:19:52 AM
Definitely rooting for the faves (well, most of them, anyway).  Not too impressed with any of the fans yet.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 20, 2013, 11:40:59 AM
Tonight is the night Brandon apprently goes crazy.  -er.

Everybody got tired of Russell because he's a fucking troll.  Brandon wsa as creepy as they come on his first season.  Now he's going to be a creeper AND a characteristic Hantz?  God help us.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 20, 2013, 12:23:24 PM
Tonight is the night Brandon apprently goes crazy.  -er.

Everybody got tired of Russell because he's a fucking troll.  Brandon wsa as creepy as they come on his first season.  Now he's going to be a creeper AND
a characteristic Hantz?  God help us.

I don't know. I think that editing may be in place to give that impression...he might suggest it being that its in the heat of the moment after tribal, but they showed no 'daylight' instances of it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 20, 2013, 12:25:20 PM
I certainly hope so.  If that's the case, they've played it up pretty well.  I don't know if I could bear to see another batshit crazy Hantz.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 20, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
Everybody got tired of Russell because he's a fucking troll.  Brandon wsa as creepy as they come on his first season.  Now he's going to be a creeper AND a characteristic Hantz?  God help us.

I don't know... Personally, I found Russell to be one of the most entertaining players ever. Obviously he never had a snowball's chance in hell at winning, but the way he lied to everyone multiple times and thought so highly of his strategic game, both coupled with his general demeanor won me over. Brandon, on the other hand, was fucking annoying the whole time. His tirades against the young pretty girls 'tempting' everyone were excruciating. I can't wait to see him off this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 20, 2013, 02:29:17 PM
Well, I shouldn't say everybody.  I personally found him to be pretty entertaining as well, but most people didn't care for him, is the impression I get.  But he definitely was trollin' hard.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 20, 2013, 02:58:39 PM
I loved watching Russell as well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 20, 2013, 07:10:26 PM
Well...there goes my chance at the office pool. I wish Allie would have had a chance to play longer, she seemed like she would have been a good player. Not good enought to realize she aligned herself on the losing side though. And, I firmly stand by my initial summation that Shamar is an ass...someone who I can't believe we're going to have to put up with for a while being that the chic who's running the show wants to keep him around so he will stay. I just can't stand folk like him.
  I think the editing department should get an award for making it look like Brandon's going to go nuts.....and then they do it again. Let's see if they're for real this time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 20, 2013, 10:29:14 PM
  I think the editing department should get an award for making it look like Brandon's going to go nuts.....and then they do it again. Let's see if they're for real this time.

Yeah, that was a total fizzle, and I expect next week will be the same. :lol The guy's just unstable, but in the end he's always been all talk. It will be nothing, or else they would have shown a snippet of him actually doing something.


I actually like Shamar staying in the game. Usually I don't like the loud, angry guys, but I guess I just hate the jock group that much more. I'm glad that Ally went, but I just KNEW that that guy wasn't going to play his idol. You could just tell he's that kind of person. It will be one of those things that lingers for a while.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 20, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
I just KNEW that that guy wasn't going to play his idol. You could just tell he's that kind of person. It will be one of those things that lingers for a while.
And that whole deal. It's not like that idol was a bowling ball with Tug Boat rope attached to it. How the heck can you not hide that dinky little thing? Did he try to keep it wrapped up as well? Just a dumb move on his part. To his credit though...unlike the past several seasons I watched he didn't find the idol then run back and tell 7 different people. He kept it to himself until apparently he couldn't hide something that looked like a small aarowhead with some string on it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 20, 2013, 10:58:42 PM
I just KNEW that that guy wasn't going to play his idol. You could just tell he's that kind of person. It will be one of those things that lingers for a while.
And that whole deal. It's not like that idol was a bowling ball with Tug Boat rope attached to it. How the heck can you not hide that dinky little thing? Did he try to keep it wrapped up as well? Just a dumb move on his part. To his credit though...unlike the past several seasons I watched he didn't find the idol then run back and tell 7 different people. He kept it to himself until apparently he couldn't hide something that looked like a small aarowhead with some string on it.

I know right? When I saw that tiny little idol, I thought "oh, they've made it so tiny that it's easy to hide. Nice." And then he gets spotted right away! :facepalm:

I'm not sure how much time he had to tell anyone before tribal council. The editing didn't give a sense of how much time had passed there.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 20, 2013, 11:27:23 PM
I thought Probst crossed the line tonight.  When that gal said she wouldn't say who she saw with the idol in their pants, for Probst to say, "You are looking directly at Reynold," was completely out of bounds, IMO.  I often think he teeters on the line of going too far with getting involved, but tonight he ran past it at warp speed. :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 20, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
I agree there. He always stirs things up in tribal, and asks targeted questions to specific people to mix things up so tribal council isn't predictable, but tonight he almost entirely gave that one away with not a hint of subtlety.

I like that he's always in touch with what's happening, and I appreciate that he's trying to keep things interesting and unpredictable, but he was too heavy handed tonight.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 27, 2013, 10:52:05 PM
Just as we all knew would happen, the preview of Brandon was a complete fizzle, and a quote taken out of context. Nothing happened there. :lol

I was surprised everyone stuck to their actual voting plan despite all of the piling on Shamar at tribal council. That was unexpected, but I'm glad Shamar stayed in, because I love that he rubs the jocks the wrong way. It was sad that Hope was the one that left though, because she was damn cute.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 28, 2013, 06:44:46 AM
Brandon is played up in the commercials, but is really just an angry little sidenote to this whole season.  He has the moronic little angry discussions with the camera, then that's about all you see of him til the challenge.  Which was DAMN close last night.  I found it slightly impressive that for all the talk of how heavy the challenge box was, when they first raised it up onto the track, two people got on one side and Brandon lifted the whole other end by himself.  He was totally in hyper-adrenaline mode.

I'm not sure what to make of Shamar.  He said in his pre-air interview that his intention was to make people miserable (or something like that).  He's definitely doing it, but there are (strangely) people who are loyal to him and want him around regardless of his drama.  I saw a post on Twitter last night that said:

Quote
Only in this Survivor season could a castaway say "I don't know how many people he killed" & leave the audience wondering "Who?"

:rollin  So true.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 28, 2013, 06:52:16 AM
I don't get it. How could you possibly wonder "who?" He's been a big focus in the last two episodes, and he's very hard to miss!

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 28, 2013, 07:03:19 AM
Well, yeah, definitely a joke, but based on the fact that you've got at least 3 people who are borderline off their rockers.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 28, 2013, 07:11:12 AM
:lol I think they're already on the wrong side of that line.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2013, 10:09:11 AM
This season is boring me already.  None of the fans have made me want to root for them, and so much attention on "favorites" like Brandon and Philip has me forwarding through chunks of episodes now.  I might actually jump ship on this season unless it gets interesting next week.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 28, 2013, 09:14:36 PM
This season is boring me already.  None of the fans have made me want to root for them, and so much attention on "favorites" like Brandon and Philip has me forwarding through chunks of episodes now.  I might actually jump ship on this season unless it gets interesting next week.
The only thing keeping me watching is my utter distain for Shamar. He's a disgrace of a Marine...I'm embarrassed for him actually. I just want to see him get voted off, problem is he's the perfect person to keep around.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 06, 2013, 07:10:32 PM
Oh holy shit, Brandon goes full-on Chernobyl next week. Finally. Looks bad.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 06, 2013, 08:14:10 PM
I won't believe it until I actually see it. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 06, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
The preview was pretty damning this time. Wow!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 06, 2013, 08:27:52 PM
The preview was pretty damning this time. Wow!
I won't believe it until I actually see it. :lol
The preview was pretty damning this time. Wow!

Yeah, showing him actually dumping the rice.....pretty hard to argue with that. Unless............it's just edited again. Like if the rice were to have been contaminated by rat poo or something. But it does appear he and Philip get into it.

I thought this episode was alright. Call me a synic but I think that whole eye injury was a load of BS and the Doc and producers gave Shamar an easy way out. That dude was a friggin' loser A hole...plain and simple. That tribe deserves to be depleted and whooped the way they have been for even considering keeping him around over the others who at least pulled their weight. Just like Hugo Chavez....it doesn't bother me one bit to see him go.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 06, 2013, 11:52:22 PM
I made my comment before realizing the new episode had aired, so I hadn't seen the clip yet. My bad!
Yeah, I don't see any wiggle room for misinterpretation here. Everyone was crying, and he tipped out all of their rice. That should be a great episode. I hope he doesn't just get voted right out though, because I want him to keep it unpredictable. Let's see how they deal with losing most of their food. Maybe they'll just salvage what they can.

I wasn't expecting they'd still go to tribal after Shamar leaving the game, so their team is looking very weak right now. I really wish one of the two jocks went, but at least the idol is finally gone!

I have to say, they've had excellent challenges this season. All very physical, with a big focus on swimming and climbing, and a lot of throwing/accuracy type challenges, instead of just wheeling out puzzles. I love it. The favourites were very smart with how they arranged their team for that challenge, and it paid off.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 07, 2013, 08:22:48 AM
I am now forwarding through the majority of the favorites camp scenes simply cause I cannot stand anymore of Philip and Brandon.  I still can't believe the producers thought either of those tools were favorites.

And the fans finally used their heads. Voting out Reynold and Eddie would be moronic.  Unless they just want to lose every challenge.  Sherri saying, "We are losing with them," shows how dumb she is.  Reynold was the only reason they almost came back and won the immunity challenge after she killed them in it early on, but yeah, let's vote him out because we are gonna lose either way. :lol :lol  It's amazing how short-sighted some people are.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 07, 2013, 08:37:19 AM
I am now forwarding through the majority of the favorites camp scenes simply cause I cannot stand anymore of Philip and Brandon.  I still can't believe the producers thought either of those tools were favorites.

I believe Probst has said that by "favourites", they don't necessarily mean liked, but favourites to watch, whether it's people the fans love, or people the fans love to hate. But basically it's just returning players versus new players, so they're chosen for entertainment value.
Personally, I've enjoyed them for that factor, although I think they're both played up a fair bit, so I can see how some people are finding that tiring.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 07, 2013, 08:58:39 AM
Phillip HAS gotten a little tiresome with the Stealth R' Us schtick.  As has Brandon and his more-issues-than-a-newstand borderline psycho schtick.  However, I don't know if either of them are making it up which is the amazing part.  These people really are just this naturally delusional, it would seem.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 07, 2013, 09:06:49 AM
Phillip HAS gotten a little tiresome with the Stealth R' Us schtick.  As has Brandon and his more-issues-than-a-newstand borderline psycho schtick.  However, I don't know if either of them are making it up which is the amazing part.  These people really are just this naturally delusional, it would seem.

Oh I have no doubt they're naturally wacko, but obviously the producers want them to play it up too, and they edit it to focus on those kinds of things. I remember reading that they made Philip bring/wear the pink underwear, so there's always that blurry line of "reality" in reality TV.

Oh, and I just remembered an interview with Probst before the show started that said someone would be taken out of the game, so I guess that's fulfilled now.

But I'm still very much enjoying this season so far. The challenges have been a step above last season, and now they're at the point of separate reward and immunity challenges, so we'll be seeing more of that now. And things always get better after the merge, and I think this season is going to be great.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 13, 2013, 02:17:11 PM
Tonight's the night!  Brandon's descent into madness goes full-on.  Probst has said something along the lines of something historic happening tonight.  Popular theory online is:

Brandon getting ejected from the game

No idea though, so it'll be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 13, 2013, 03:56:10 PM
I sure hope that theory plays out. Such an annoying personality
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 13, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/k5bY2hW.jpg)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 13, 2013, 08:39:45 PM
Wow! :omg:  Holy bipoloar meltdown...the odd thing is I actually agree with 98% of the things Brandon said about Philip. It's just the manner in which he went about doing it. I'd be willing to bet that the entire root of the issue for Brandon was that he thought he was going to come back this season....be the 'mastermind' and go on his jolly way. When it finally became apparent to him that not only wasn't he running the show in his tribe that he was on the outside looking in....he just lost it.
  Like I said, I agree with what he was saying about Philip but you can't present your case like a crazy man....no one is going to listen.
The previews seem to hint at a merge next week? Anyone else get that impression?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 13, 2013, 09:03:30 PM
Good riddance...

I too got the impression that a merge is on the way next week, though it seems a little early for that, no?  Still can't say I enjoy any of the favorites... Go Cochran!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 13, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
Not sure. Tonight was episode 5. They generally don't merge til episode 7 or 8. Maybe a redistribution of tribes, via drawing of rocks? But, maybe they'll change it up and do an early merge. Curious to see what happens.

And riddance to Brandon. That dude has problems.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 14, 2013, 12:57:16 AM
I'm guessing they're swapping tribes rather than merging, but we'll see.

As for Brandon, at first I thought the entire thing was very put on with the constant threat of ruining the food, then doing it this week, but after the conclusion of the episode, I think he is a very real nutjob.

The fact that Probst had to get him away from his tribe immediately, and try to calm him down, and physically hold him back, and then do the vote on the spot rather than let him have risk more time with his tribe at all before tribal council, I think it was legit. Probst looked genuinely worried like he just needed to get him the hell away from everyone.

I was actually expecting that they might have stuck Brandon on the other tribe, which would have evened it up a bit, and gotten him away from his tribe (although he obviously wanted to go home too), but he was clearly too unstable for that too.

And what a surprise that jock 1 found the idol again.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 14, 2013, 08:52:01 AM
Andy, from Reality Blurred, offers his take on last night and I really don't know that I can disagree with him.  I still love Survivor and will still watch it, but this reeked of foul play of some sort:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_Mar_14_brandon-hantz-episode
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 14, 2013, 09:06:56 AM
That article is so melodramatic.
Personally, I think Probst handled the situation very well on the spot. Of course they brought Brandon back because of his volatile behaviour, but I don't see that this was a mistake. While he was a nut in his first season, he was by no stretch a dangerous person, so I don't see any error on the producers' part in casting him again.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 14, 2013, 09:08:37 AM
I can see it both ways, yeah, of course you want a surefire ratings getter in Brandon, but at the same time, I just don't know, the dude had issues last time - he just got better at hiding them this time, til he got back in the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 14, 2013, 09:22:42 AM
I really don't think his behaviour last time around was anything that should have stopped them bringing him back. He didn't have any history of threats or violence on the show, he was just a very unpredictable person who made stupid decisions in the game. He spent most of his time crying and whining about not liking how he was playing the game. I think it's just unfortunate that he got pushed that little bit too far this time and did cross that line to become what seemed to be pretty dangerous to the other players. Until this episode, he's been pretty benign really.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 14, 2013, 09:25:14 AM
I think I was probably just irritated at his kind of irrational behavior last time (He totally wanted the one hot chick gone, simply because she was tempting him, not taking into account the fact that she likely would never have given Brandon the time of day).  I wanted Brandon gone in the worst way last time, so I was already irritated with him going into this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 14, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
How is Brandon a surefire ratings getter?  I was about ready to stop watching this season already two weeks ago cause of him and Phillip, neither of whom were favorites in the truest sense of the word.  Sadly, the producers of the show now think that anyone who is a shit-disturber is worth watching, which is why people are getting crazier with their on-show antics, as they know the show will bring them back a second, or even third, time.  We can thanks nutjobs like Coach, Brandon, etc. for that.  :tdwn :tdwn

Also, that Sherri gal is awful.  Her "we kept the muscle and still lost" speech showed that she lacks very little brain power (they barely lost; take away that muscle and you would have lost in a blowout), and she has consistently sucked in challenges.  I look forward to her getting blindsided at some point and voted out.  Hopefully, Reynold and Eddie are behind the move. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 14, 2013, 09:36:27 AM
I was never a fan of him either, or the fact he was only cast because he was related to someone else popular (and they'd already run that well dry), and that incident bothered me too. That was HIS issue, not hers (and she wasn't even that good looking).
Regardless, I had no problem with him returning. I wasn't thrilled about it, but it was expected, and I wasn't unhappy about it. That said, I think a lot more characters will get their time now that he's not taking up space, and that goes for both tribes.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 14, 2013, 09:40:27 AM
I think I meant that they probably THOUGHT he would be a ratings getter in that "Hey, he's a Hantz!".  He definitely isn't any good at the game or at making people like him.  There are very few people who've commented online or that I've spoken to that like ANY of the Hantzes.  Russell, Brandon, OR Willie (who was thrown out of Big Brother for threatening another houseguest).

I was thinking the same about Sherri.  Having the other chick back would've ensured a loss.  That's the thing with these guys.  Most of the time they're neck and neck with the favorites, they just barely lose.  It's not like they're getting slaughtered every time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 14, 2013, 08:49:04 PM
I'd be willing to bet that the entire root of the issue for Brandon was that he thought he was going to come back this season....be the 'mastermind' and go on his jolly way. When it finally became apparent to him that not only wasn't he running the show in his tribe that he was on the outside looking in....he just lost it.
 
This is what I'm maintaining. I think Brandon deluded himself into believing that when he came back this season he would be a 'Boston Rob' and brainwash everyone and be the 'man'. The way it was building up was just how Brandon was slowly realizing that he had absolutely no control over his situation....that's why he made such a big deal about being the 'author of his fate'. I'm not saying anything you all haven't figured out....but by acting like a moron psycho and getting kicked off, in his little mind it was him who made the choice to leave instead of being voted out....because he couldn't handle the fact he would be voted out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 15, 2013, 06:34:05 AM
Sounds right to me.  You COULD almost slowly see the realization setting in for him.  He couldn't really honestly be TOO much the author of his own fate when they intended to vote him out anyway.  All the extraneous show he put on in dumping the rice and beans, and making an ass out of himself meant nothing.  Like you said - this way, in his mind, "I went out on my own terms, I left the game, I upended shit!".  No, you didn't.  You'd have been voted out regardless.  Good riddance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2013, 09:26:02 AM
Going out on his own terms would have been him leaving the game voluntarily, not being voted out.  He's too stupid to even know that. :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 15, 2013, 09:30:04 AM
It's the Hantz way.  If I believe it, then it is undeniable truth.  Like Russell believing he's the greatest player of Survivor ever.  All of the Hantzes are delusional.  As mentioned earlier, Willie went out in a spectacular display of failure on Big Brother.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 15, 2013, 09:48:57 AM
It's the Hantz way.  If I believe it, then it is undeniable truth.  Like Russell believing he's the greatest player of Survivor ever.  All of the Hantzes are delusional.  As mentioned earlier, Willie went out in a spectacular display of failure on Big Brother.

As much as I hated Russell, at least he did play somewhat smart, and actually proved twice that he could get to the end (and also proved that his method resulted in absolutely no chance in hell of actually winning votes :lol ). So he had at least some basis for believing what he did.
Brandon was just a nut. He knew he was going, so he had a tantrum like an immature baby.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 15, 2013, 11:44:04 AM
Exit interviews with Brandon.  Fucking loon.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_Mar_15_brandon-interviews
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2013, 11:55:40 AM
From the same site:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_Mar_14_brandon-hantz-episode

There is a lot of truth in what was written there.  Sadly, there are so many reality shows, most of which are drama-filled, that I think Probst and others involved with the show feel that they need drama and volatile personalities to keep viewers interested and tuning in.  Good for ratings, I guess, but it's why the show IS different than it was in its earlier days.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2013, 04:48:38 AM
I'm just glad that Brandon is gone.  What a loser.

And that Sherry chick on the fans team is delusional WTF.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2013, 12:20:40 AM
Man did that swap end up one sided. :lol It really couldn't have ended up any worse.
I think they did the swap both to even it out so it didn't get more lop-sided, and also as an excuse to replenish the food that Brandon wasted, but I think it is going to make it even more lop-sided if anything. Luck of the draw.

It's refreshing to see other people getting screen time now. I liked Matt, so I was hoping that Julia went, and it would have been a lot better for their tribe. I don't like the chances of winning anything physical at all.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 21, 2013, 08:01:15 AM
Yeah that swap definitely favors one tribe over the other. By far. Not even physically but game play as well. Brenda is a huge sleeper here. Having ruined her chances her first time around by aggressively game playing.... She took note and has changed tactics. I think she is still playing a tactful game, just not as obvious.
  But that 'orange' team.. I forgot the name... They IMO are goin to be unbeatable at challenges. Unless they completely drop the ball but I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 21, 2013, 08:04:18 AM
I really liked Matt also, so I was irritated ot see that they kept Julia, who's physically less useful in challenges than Matt.  But the other tribe just STEAMROLLED them at the challenge.  It wasn't even close.  So yeah, very uneven balance of power now.  Phillip's tribe will continue to lose until the merge.  Just seems like there is no other way about it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2013, 08:05:51 AM
It will depend on the challenge of course, but anything physical? No contest. The only physical player they've got is Phillip, and he's no spring chicken, and they pushed him really hard in that challenge to compensate, and you could tell he was beat by the end of that.

They're going to have to hope for some puzzle challenges, or some accuracy challenges, and even then, they'd have to make up a lot of ground for the physical component.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 21, 2013, 08:07:48 AM
Yep.  When you've got Reynold, the other generic dude, Matt, and Malcolm all on a tribe together, you've got some serious strength and endurance.  It'll be tough to beat, unless, as mentioned, they do something like a "hold still" challenge, where Malcolm will be completely useless, for example.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2013, 08:12:10 AM
Yep.  When you've got Reynold, the other generic dude, Matt, and Malcolm all on a tribe together, you've got some serious strength and endurance.  It'll be tough to beat, unless, as mentioned, they do something like a "hold still" challenge, where Malcolm will be completely useless, for example.

And aside from that, Malcolm is an excellent all rounder. He keeps his composure in challenges, and thus even excels at the puzzles, and the accuracy/throwing type challenges. I don't know the extent of the abilities of the two guys from the former fans tribe, but they've seemed to be pretty good in challenges. Teams rarely have that kind of muscle on one side.

But I tell you, they're all going to be gunning for each other come merge time. They always go straight for the strong players to vote off, so individual immunity is going to be hard fought. I think it should be a good one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 27, 2013, 06:47:48 PM
Holy shit, Phillip is at the same time delusional and entertaining. Damn.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 27, 2013, 08:12:47 PM
Holy shit, Phillip is at the same time delusional and entertaining. Damn.

Tonight's episode was extremely boring. The only saving grace was watching Cochran literally laugh in his face at least on four different occasions.....just laughed in his face!  :lol  And Philip just kept on rolling with whatever BS he was spouting.

Glad they've merged....now the challenges are going to be tough just because of the participants.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 27, 2013, 10:09:22 PM
Holy shit, Phillip is at the same time delusional and entertaining. Damn.

Seriously. Every time he puts the challenge squarely on himself, and fails every time. What was his strategy in the first challenge supposed to be? At no point did he make a move, and he was the one who let them down. He seemed to proud to even admit to himself that he lost the second challenge too.

I have no problem with Julia going, and Cochrane's vanilla speech about her was hilariously spot on.

Bring on the merge! This is when things will get really good. :hat
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 01, 2013, 10:45:55 AM
Un-fucking-believable.  I don't know why this doesn't surprise me in the least.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/april_1/2013_Apr_01_survivor-not-casting
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 01, 2013, 12:45:31 PM
Un-fucking-believable.  I don't know why this doesn't surprise me in the least.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/april_1/2013_Apr_01_survivor-not-casting
I have to say up until the 'Probst will operate the cameras' I was completely on board with it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 01, 2013, 12:46:54 PM
I know, for some reason even that slipped by me.  I was shaking my head right up to the end.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2013, 11:09:18 PM
Corinne is a complete doofus.  Sherri was gonna go, and they could have taken control of the game with a 6-5 advantage, and there was no need to talk to Dawn about anything, but she couldn't help but run her big mouth, and it came back to bite her in the ass.  Unbelievable how dumb people can be. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 03, 2013, 11:51:27 PM
I liked Corinne just because she was always hilarious in the monologues, but she didn't play it smart at all, and it backfired. Her mouth's too big for her own good.
I don't like the way they read the votes in tribal anymore. They used to alternate between the two people getting the votes, but now they basically dump all of them individually, and it isn't as suspenseful to me.

And go Cochrane! Like a boss. :metal

Did anyone else notice all of the editing in this episode? There were a lot of points where people's dialogue sounded redubbed to me. They'd always cut away, then the voice would completely change, and it didn't sound like it was just a time edit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 04, 2013, 06:16:32 AM
I thought Corinne was okay, but yeah, I was REALLY kinda surprised that they managed to pull Erik over to knock her off.  The look on her face was freakin' priceless.  I absolutely loved it.  NEVER EVER EVER get comfortable.

Also, yeah, I could not believe how quickly Cochrane blew through that challenge.  Awesome.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 10, 2013, 08:01:04 PM
Would someone give me a quick synopsis of what happened in the episode after the reward challenge? A large line of thunderstorms rolled through St. Louis and every news channel pre empted all the programming because apparently we all need to know the wind is going to blow kind if hard, and there will be thunder and lightning. A solid hour of coverage.
  Anyway, who won immunity? Was there a blind side? Any info. Would be appreciated, I doubt I have the time to try and find the episode to watch again. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 11, 2013, 01:36:24 AM
I didn't like that reward challenge. Any decent shot was actually impossible to block. They should have given it a little bit more chance with a higher pedestal for the goalie. I loved Cochrane's speech about the testosterone approach not working with him. :lol

The immunity challenge was badass though. That could have gotten dangerous. Andrea was impressive.

That tribal council was CRAZY. I don't know which surprised me more. That Malcolm was ballsy enough to get the idol off of Reynold, or that he ended up getting no votes anyway. Hopefully all of that doesn't screw over Malcolm from here on. It's still too long till the end for him to have to win immunity every week.


gmillerdrake - Brenda won immunity, in a challenge where you have to breathe underwater as the tide comes in. The voting was all over the place. Malcolm and his side group was trying to get rid of Andrea, and the rest of the favourites were going to split the votes between Eddie and Reynold, but then last minute Andrea made them change to vote for Michael once she found out, as a safe bet because she wanted to make sure she wasn't going home.
In tribal, Malcolm figured they were onto him. When it came time to play immunity idols, Reynold went up to play his, and Malcolm stopped him and said the tribe was talking about voting him off, and not Reynold, and convinced Reynold to give him the idol to play. The votes were mostly for Andrea and Michael, with one vote for Reynold. Michael went home.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on any the gist of that. It was all over the place. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 11, 2013, 05:27:06 AM
Funny enough, Malcolm cast the sole vote for Reynold.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 11, 2013, 06:04:51 AM
Thanks Blob.  I appreciate it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 11, 2013, 06:15:42 AM
I was trying to get on last night to put up some info, but I think my hard drive is getting ready to take a sh*t.  Couldn't get the damn computer running all night.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 17, 2013, 07:41:16 PM
What.

The.

Fuck.

Just.

Happened?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 17, 2013, 07:58:44 PM
I predicted that Malcolm might make that move right before tribal, but honestly didn't think that he would. Definitely shook up the game, but if the other six stay strong it shouldn't be too hard to get those three out anyways. I think Malcolm should have held on to it and let Eddie go. It will certainly be interesting to see how that plays out... DAWN! What an annoying personality. Unstable emotionally, physicaly weak, takes herself and the game too seriously. Nothing would have made me happier than to see the six other S R US fellas vote her out.

I'll be pulling for Cochran from here on out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 17, 2013, 09:18:29 PM
Yeah that was awesome! And that was the play to make all along, I immediately thought of that once he had two idols. The manner in which they revealed at tribal was great!
  I'm pulling for Cochran as well, he's definitely playing a good game to this point but things might get interesting now that those folks don't have Phillip to hide behind.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 18, 2013, 12:18:20 AM
Man this really opens up the game now. For some reason, people were following Phillip's plan despite thinking he's a complete nut bar, so to get that head off really opens up possibilities for Malcolm's group. I'm still going for Malcolm, so this turned out good despite him using TWO idols this week. I really thought he was going to hold onto his, and you could see he almost did.

I loved tribal this week. Nobody saw that coming at all, and seeing them all scurrying DURING tribal was awesome. And I'm very glad to see Phillip gone. He didn't even bother with the immunity challenge this week, and he deserved to go anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2013, 08:09:22 AM
Thank God the delusional nutjob is gone.  However, it was slightly disappointing that he went out the way.  I would rather had seen part of his alliance turn on him and help vote him out, rather than him simply being the victim of idols being played.  Now he will continue to delude himself into thinking he played a great game.  But oh well, at least he is gone.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 18, 2013, 08:30:37 AM
Thank God the delusional nutjob is gone.  However, it was slightly disappointing that he went out the way.  I would rather had seen part of his alliance turn on him and help vote him out, rather than him simply being the victim of idols being played.  Now he will continue to delude himself into thinking he played a great game.  But oh well, at least he is gone.  :tup :tup

Oh I'm sure he would have found a way to convince himself of that regardless. :lol Like believing he was so strong a player that they considered him a threat and voted him out etc.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 24, 2013, 11:01:43 AM
Last week's episode, humorously illustrated and recapped with Lego.  :lol

https://winterpaysforsummer.blogspot.com/2013/04/survivor-caramoan-lego-r-us-2610.html
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2013, 12:11:15 PM
I just caught the episode the other night.  Fantastic, what a tribal!

Still pulling for Malcolm, but I have no issues with Cochran, either.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 24, 2013, 12:13:33 PM
It will be really interesting to see if anyone from the power alliance splits off and joins Malcolm, Reynold(s) and Eddie, a.k.a. the Alpha Betas.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 24, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
There is no reason to.  Sure, it is easy to say, "Being in a 5-person alliance gets you closer to the end than being in a 6-person alliance," but if you flip on that large alliance, most of them will be on the jury, and you will then have no chance of winning if you even do get to the final 3 since juries are historically extremely bitter towards players they feel betrayed them.  Better to stay in the 6 and see how things pan out once you get to that point. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 24, 2013, 12:27:08 PM
I agree, but the assurance of a sure thing has never stopped people from doing something that makes the viewers facepalm and say "WTF ARE YOU DOING???"  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 24, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
I agree, but the assurance of a sure thing has never stopped people from doing something that makes the viewers facepalm and say "WTF ARE YOU DOING???"  :lol

And some of the remaining people are not the smartest strategic players, and prone to unpredictability. I think there will be at least some switching. Whether or not it will make a difference in saving the minority team is another issue.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 24, 2013, 12:37:18 PM
For further evidence of players doing the damndest things, despite currently sitting pretty, watch Erik's exit the first time around.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 24, 2013, 07:08:42 PM
Fuck. I truly thought that would go a different way.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 24, 2013, 08:22:32 PM
I didn't understand it last week, and I definitely don't understand it now. No reason Malcolm should have played his second idol last week. Guaranteed another tribal, and several more days to find the next immunity idol. He sacrificed a sure chance at the final 8, and likely beyond, on the hope that one of the six would switch. Not good odds at all... Also don't understand why the six felt the need to split the vote tonight. As Cochran pointed out, Malcolm would play the idol regardless just to be sure, and then reynold is gone. Whatever...

I don't know that I'm going to be able to finish this season if Cochran gets voted off within the next couple weeks.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 24, 2013, 08:44:11 PM
Fuck. I truly thought that would go a different way.
I'm totally disinterested now. Bunch of spineless players afraid to rock the boat. I can't believe Dawn, Erik and that other chic Sherri can still think they are 'in' the game or going anywhere. Why not vote out Andrea who is very strategic and will garner some votes to win?
  I liked Malcolm and the fact he was a good player...it sucks now that it s going to be a bunch of tards playing...save Cochran.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 24, 2013, 11:38:19 PM
Dammit, I can't believe nobody at all flipped. And as soon as it got to a revote and Malcolm and Reynold couldn't vote, I knew it had to be Malcolm gone. Andrea's smug little face afterwards pissed me off the most though.

So, go Cochrane! I really don't care for any of the other players to win. Not that I strongly dislike them, but there are none that I think really deserve the prize for playing the game well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 25, 2013, 06:16:12 AM
I will be extremely pleased if Andrea goes next.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 25, 2013, 08:50:08 AM
Andrea is too cute to go next; us guys need our eye candy on the show. :biggrin: :coolio

But yeah, I wasn't surprised that no one flipped, for the reasons I outlined before last night's episode.  There was simply no advantage to going with the three guys. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 25, 2013, 08:53:34 AM
Andrea is too cute to go next; us guys need our eye candy on the show. :biggrin: :coolio

What? Dawn and Sherri aren't doing it for you? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 25, 2013, 09:36:21 AM
Andrea is too cute to go next; us guys need our eye candy on the show. :biggrin: :coolio

But yeah, I wasn't surprised that no one flipped, for the reasons I outlined before last night's episode.  There was simply no advantage to going with the three guys. 

That's true, but again, people have done dumber things from a place of even greater security.  As noted, see Erik's exit in Micronesia FvF.

God, I STILL shake my head at that one.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2013, 05:08:45 AM
Yeah, Malcolm's departure is disheartening.  I can't believe that neither Sherri nor Erik flipped.  If only one of them had, everything would have been different.  As it is, assuming the 6 hold together to eliminate Reynold & Eddie (which isn't a guarantee anyway), Sherri will be the first one voted off at that point because she's not a "favorite."  These people don't think.

And Dawn is a friggin' idiot.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 01, 2013, 09:06:12 PM
I just don't get it....I mean.....you have an idol with only two chances left to play it......you've been strong in all the immunity challenges more or less so there's a chance you could win individual immunity, AND a player sitting directly to your left just told you that he's lied time and time again to people who didn't think he'd lie to them. And, you don't play the immunity idol? That's whatcha get then.

 It really is amazing that seemingly season after season someone makes that same mistake....thinking they can make it one more tribal. It's kind of funny. Also, you knew sooner or later Cochrans name would get thrown out there....I mean those people have to know that if he makes it to the end he'd get the votes.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 01, 2013, 09:53:39 PM
If Cochran can just hang on to be end it'll be him! Andrea was his biggest competitor at this point, but I do worry about him from here on out, being that he's seemingly played the best strategic game thusfar and even won 2 individual challenges. Couple that with the fact that he's generally well liked (except by Andrea I would suspect) and he's not the kind of player anyone will want to take to the end. At this point his odds don't look too good, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
Bad move by Andrea, but at least she took her blindside well instead of being a crybaby about it.  While bitter jury members makes for better television, it is nice to see someone got out with some freaking grace for once.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 02, 2013, 12:36:10 AM
There were no surprises seeing Reynold go in the first tribal council.
But I am so glad to see Andrea go. Her smugness had me skipping through the episode, and it was completely unfair for her to basically be given two immunity idols in one hit, and that bothered the crap out of me. Thank god that didn't end up predictably boring.
Why did they replace a reward challenge anyway?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 02, 2013, 06:19:04 AM
Eye candy or not, I'm glad Andrea and her smirk are out.  I don't know why it irritated me so much, but NEVER EVER GET COMFORTABLE!  When her name came up the second time and she was like "WHAT??", it was absolutely delicious.  As Kev said, it WAS nice to see her leave with some grace.  I cannot say I would leave there with any sort of grace at all.

Also, WTF with Erik finding the idol and immediately giving it to Andrea??
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 02, 2013, 06:56:21 AM
Also, WTF with Erik finding the idol and immediately giving it to Andrea??

He's a pushover. Also, in that situation where she was open with them and let them in on the search, and then he finds it right in front of her, it wouldn't have worked out well for him to say "well I'm going to keep this".
Then the rest of the episode would have been the phrases "he's a threat" and "flush out the idol" cut together a lot, then he either has to play it and waste it, or not play it and probably go home. Idols really work best when nobody knows you have one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 02, 2013, 07:14:43 AM
I agree, but in countless other situations where a group of people are looking, if I remember right, the person who finds it usually hangs onto it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2013, 07:23:15 AM
I agree, but in countless other situations where a group of people are looking, if I remember right, the person who finds it usually hangs onto it.
Yeah, this. Andrea may have gotten the clue but historically whoever found it, kept it. Regardless....I think we're overlooking the fact that she's an idiot for not playing it last night. Do these people not watch the show? I mean, Cochran near word for word told her that he was lying to her about their plan...and that didn't set her 'paranoia' off? She deserved to be voted off for being dumb.
 I'd love to see Cochran pull his out but the previews make it look as if he now may be a target.

I've yet to go online and check out the Ponderosa episodes....I may do that soon. They're usually pretty entertaining as well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 02, 2013, 07:28:08 AM
I agree, but in countless other situations where a group of people are looking, if I remember right, the person who finds it usually hangs onto it.

If they all just happened to be looking for it together, then sure, but Andrea told them the clue and they kind of agreed to look for it together. I think it comes down to the situation, and the fact he's a complete knob. I do think in that situation, it wouldn't have looked good for him to keep it, even though it should have been his.

I agree, but in countless other situations where a group of people are looking, if I remember right, the person who finds it usually hangs onto it.
Yeah, this. Andrea may have gotten the clue but historically whoever found it, kept it. Regardless....I think we're overlooking the fact that she's an idiot for not playing it last night. Do these people not watch the show? I mean, Cochran near word for word told her that he was lying to her about their plan...and that didn't set her 'paranoia' off? She deserved to be voted off for being dumb.
 I'd love to see Cochran pull his out but the previews make it look as if he now may be a target.

I really thought she was going to play it safe and use it specifically because of those things said, so I can't believe she felt that safe. She deserved to go for her arrogance and ignorance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 02, 2013, 07:31:58 AM
I had to chuckle when Cochrane referenced Erik giving Andrea the idol and said something along the lines of "Did he learn nothing from last time?"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 08, 2013, 10:26:58 PM
Oh man, about the first time they've changed things up with the family visits, and that was a mean one! I was expecting Jeff to say Brenda had to choose a second person, so that was harsh to give her the swap option AFTER already choosing Dawn to go along with her.

Interesting result in tribal council. Definitely makes things less predictable for the end. It's very interesting that they showed almost nothing of next week's episode. It was a few audio clips over images. Maybe things are about to get really interesting...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 08, 2013, 11:45:27 PM
I will be shocked if Cochran doesn't win.  I don't see Eddie winning two immunities to sneak into the finals, and he's the only one who'd have a prayer of beating him.

Dawn is horrible.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 09, 2013, 12:00:13 AM
I will be shocked if Cochran doesn't win.  I don't see Eddie winning two immunities to sneak into the finals, and he's the only one who'd have a prayer of beating him.

Dawn is horrible.

If they're smart, they'd vote out Cochrane for that very reason, although I'm not convinced any of them are smart enough to band together. If Cochrane makes it to the final 3 though, he's got it. There's little competition for votes. We're basically down to the "yes" men (and women).

Dawn - Completely unstable, all over the place. Hasn't been too loyal this time around.
Eddie - He's always been the outsider, and while he's played an ok game to get this far, he hasn't really bonded with the group, and few will want to vote for him. He might get Malcolm and Reynold's vote, but that would be it.
Erik - Mostly flown under the radar, completely unremarkable.
Sherri - Worthless, crap in challenges, they only keep her around for an easy vote when they need it.

Cochrane gets along pretty well with most people, and even though he's not the strongest competitor, I think people will respect the effort he's put in, and the improvement he's made. He's played the social game well, keeping people onside, while still strategizing for his own best interests instead of just being a sheep.

They might just go with the safe vote next week, and vote out Eddie. I wouldn't want to predict a final 3 though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 09, 2013, 06:37:29 AM
Cold.  As.  Ice.

Dawn seemed to spearhead the charge to oust Brenda, which is pretty sensible, because she'd do well in the finals.  But I imagine there was a little bit of her that was mad that Brenda decided to take her husband away, in favor of better standing amongst jury members, which I don't know if that ever really carries weight anyway.  Doesn't matter since she got sent out.  I'm not sure if I've ever seen anyone that upset to be voted out.  I totally want Cochrane to win this.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 09, 2013, 10:25:34 AM
ALSO, COMPLETE DICKFACE MOVE BY THE PRODUCERS to give Brenda that choice at the reward challenge.  The winner of the reward challenge should never walk away with NOTHING.  Even in an instance where you trade a plate of pizza for more beans and rice for the whole tribe, you still benefit from it.  Taking it ALL away from her and Dawn so the others could have, then rub it in their faces by having them in sight, sound, and smell of the goings-on just offshore was flat-out fucking cruel.  I absolutely HATE the family visit episode every season.  Honestly, you do NOT want to win the family visit challenge, ever.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 09, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
ALSO, COMPLETE DICKFACE MOVE BY THE PRODUCERS to give Brenda that choice at the reward challenge.  The winner of the reward challenge should never walk away with NOTHING.  Even in an instance where you trade a plate of pizza for more beans and rice for the whole tribe, you still benefit from it.  Taking it ALL away from her and Dawn so the others could have, then rub it in their faces by having them in sight, sound, and smell of the goings-on just offshore was flat-out fucking cruel.  I absolutely HATE the family visit episode every season.  Honestly, you do NOT want to win the family visit challenge, ever.

Yeah, that was really harsh, not only taking it away from Brenda, but doing it after making her choose someone else, because she chose the person who she felt really needed it most, then BAM, they pull that. In that situation she almost felt obligated to give it away, which isn't right when you've won it fair and square.
I'm not a fan of the family visit episode either, because of the cheap emotional appeal, so this one was just extra annoying to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 09, 2013, 10:33:04 AM
It was a complete lose-lose situation for Brenda.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2013, 07:13:05 AM
There's no reason other than an immunity win that the final three shouldn't be Eddie, Erik and Sherri. Those three should know they're the bottom of the totem pole and that either Cochran or Dawn would gather many votes to win.

Agree with everything hat was said about that ignorant move by the producers.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 10, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
Dawn would gather many votes to win?  I don't see that at all.  Eddie would get more votes than her right now (Michael, Malcolm, Reynold and Andrea).  Plus, if you watch the Ponderosa videos, most of the jury doesn't like her at all, so I'd say her and Sherri are the ones who have no chance of winning. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 10, 2013, 08:42:13 AM
I think their main/only problem with Eddie is that he's the "outsider", rather than anything personal against him. He hasn't pissed anyone off enough to rule out their votes, that I can think of. Dawn's behaviour this season has affected everyone, and I'm not sure she has a good argument for the final vote anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 10, 2013, 08:46:02 AM
Her best argument, seemingly, would be to go in and say "Criminal mastermind here.  It was my plan all along to oust every single one of you and then cry and act all unstable."  Trying to put it all off on someone else to keep her hands clean may not work.  I truly feel like Dawn's best angle is to own it, because she DID have a hand in it all.

Also, Brandon will NOT be at the finale on Sunday, though Russell and his gigantic tough guy mouth will be.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_May_10_brandon-banned-finale
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 10, 2013, 08:50:56 AM
With comments like that, CBS would be wise not to let Russell nowhere near the building. He needs to let go. He was given enough chances with Survivor, but he still just wants to keep himself included in any way possible.

As crazy as Brandon was, I'm not sure I entirely agree with excluding him from the reunion though, as I don't think it will be as bad after some time to cool down, plus not being under the same pressure and circumstances of being in the game. Not that it really bothers me either way.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 10, 2013, 08:53:05 AM
That's what I was thinking.  Brandon would probably be okay.  CBS needs to cut off ANYBODY with a last name of Hantz from ever being on-air again.  Willie Hantz getting kicked off Big Brother was quite satisfying.  He was as much a dick as his brother Russell.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 10, 2013, 08:55:21 AM
That's what I was thinking.  Brandon would probably be okay.  CBS needs to cut off ANYBODY with a last name of Hantz from ever being on-air again.  Willie Hantz getting kicked off Big Brother was quite satisfying.  He was as much a dick as his brother Russell.

We don't get your Big Brother here, but I can imagine. It seems to run in the family. I think Survivor is ready to wash their hands of the Hantz family for good after this drama. They already got 5 season out of them between Russell and Brandon. That's plenty enough.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 10, 2013, 08:57:03 AM
This is CBS's own fault, for bringing Brandon back in the first place.  I still like this show (obviously), but the way they have glorified the way this family acts, simply for ratings, is pretty shameful. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 10, 2013, 09:01:54 AM
That's what I was thinking.  Brandon would probably be okay.  CBS needs to cut off ANYBODY with a last name of Hantz from ever being on-air again.  Willie Hantz getting kicked off Big Brother was quite satisfying.  He was as much a dick as his brother Russell.

We don't get your Big Brother here, but I can imagine. It seems to run in the family. I think Survivor is ready to wash their hands of the Hantz family for good after this drama. They already got 5 season out of them between Russell and Brandon. That's plenty enough.

Willie was pissed that his team (this season had them bringing back ex contestants as coaches) was being targeted and was basically going to sacrifice himself for their good, which really didn't do much but get him out and it was business as usual afterwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfRNrdx4YKI
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2013, 05:03:39 AM
Dawn would gather many votes to win?  I don't see that at all.  Eddie would get more votes than her right now (Michael, Malcolm, Reynold and Andrea).  Plus, if you watch the Ponderosa videos, most of the jury doesn't like her at all, so I'd say her and Sherri are the ones who have no chance of winning.
Right now, I think Eddie is winning.  Those four you mentioned plus Brenda (she is pissed at her teammates for blindsiding her - who else would she vote for?).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 11, 2013, 10:36:01 AM
Dawn has had to delete her Twitter account after considerable abuse from fans:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_caramoan/2013_May_10_dawn-quits-twitter
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2013, 10:57:51 AM
I haven't seen the actual comments that people are posting, but that's terrible. I'm not a fan of Dawn in the game, but it's a game. People need to separate that from real life, and leave people alone. And Dawn is an emotional person to begin with, so I can't imagine her handling the negativity well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2013, 10:08:52 PM
So happy to see Cochran win it. I thought his odds were pretty slim a couple weeks ago, never would have expected him to win those last two challenges.

And after the reunion show... Blood Vs Water, any ideas?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 12, 2013, 10:21:14 PM
https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_blood_vs_water/2013_May_12_twist-teaser
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 12, 2013, 10:25:35 PM
Ah, that makes sense. It will be interesting to see which returning players will be brought back, and how alliances shape up post-merge. So long as the Hantz family is not involved!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
COCHRAN!!! I am so happy he won it!
He could not have played that final stretch of the game any more flawlessly. He won the reward, he won the immunity, he made the best strategic choice for who to take to the final 3, and he nailed every single question in tribal council with perfect, genuine answers.

As soon as he made it to final 3, there was no doubt he would win it, and he deserved it. Sherri was not even in the running to the point where she was being laughed at when she tried to suggest she wasn't a tag-along. Beautiful. Her argument with Erik was gold. And Reynold's spot with Dawn was hilarious.

Dawn and Sherri said what they thought the jury wanted to hear, but nobody bought a word of it because it was BS. Cochran spoke the truth, and managed to remain genuine, humble, and likable.

I haven't watched the reunion yet.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2013, 12:45:20 AM
Definitely was happy to see Cochran win; he deserved it.  :tup :tup

I didn't like Sherri at all, but I almost felt bad for her at the final TC.  Not only was she being dismissed, most of the jury members didn't even bother addressing her.  That is brutal.

Interesting that they brought just the jury and the final three to the reunion on stage (although Corinne was in the audience, and maybe many of the others were, too).  Probably to avoid having to explain why Brandon wasn't there, but it sucks that the other players who got ousted early didn't at least get to be on stage because of that douche.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2013, 12:50:08 AM
Speaking of Sherri being dismissed, don't they usually get closing remarks too, or am I remembering wrong? Since Sherri was rarely even addressed, she got very little chance to defend herself (not that it would have changed anything).

That sucks with the reunion. I haven't watched it yet, but I liked seeing all of the people I'd forgotten from earlier in the game, and seeing how everyone looks dressed up. No doubt Brandon was the reason, which sucks for the "fans" team, since most of them were voted off before the merge.


So, next season, Blood vs Water. Blood is thicker than water etc...... if I had to guess, I'd say it means families, two from each family, like two brothers, a father and daughter etc. Maybe even bringing back players with a loved one. Having a supposed surefire alliance with a family member then maybe having to vote them off. Drama! I don't know where the water comes into it.

edit: I didn't read the link, which makes more sense. Sounds awesome to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2013, 09:13:47 AM
They didn't address the Andrea infatuation with Eddie directly either.  I heard a rumor that they supposedly hooked up immediately after the show was over, but she says she has a new boyfriend now, and her and Eddie are still friends, so she probably asked them to not ask her about it at the reunion show.  That is a very safe guess.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 13, 2013, 09:20:00 AM
Very pleased to see Cochrane win.  He pretty much aced every single question he got from the jury.  Good stuff.  Not ONE vote against him at any tribal council and he apparently received all the jury votes, from what I understand. J.T. was the only other person who had done this.  Sherri's opening statement was such crap.  "I own businesses, so I treated you like employees, and tried to get to undertand you, and here I am, I'm awesome!"  WTF?  She hadn't the ability to even see that she was an a placeholder used to make Cochrane look better to the jury.  Now judging by her reaction at the reunion just before the vote, she realized this after watching the season back.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
Very pleased to see Cochrane win.  He pretty much aced every single question he got from the jury.  Good stuff.  Not ONE vote against him at any tribal council and he apparently received all the jury votes, from what I understand. J.T. was the only other person who had done this.  Sherri's opening statement was such crap.  "I own businesses, so I treated you like employees, and tried to get to undertand you, and here I am, I'm awesome!"  WTF?  She hadn't the ability to even see that she was an a placeholder used to make Cochrane look better to the jury.  Now judging by her reaction at the reunion just before the vote, she realized this after watching the season back.  :lol

I don't know how she thought that opening statement would help. Basically all it did was let the jury know she didn't need the money. Great job! It didn't help to show that she was any good at the game.
As soon as it cut to the studio, you could see everyone knew who was going to win, and who was not.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2013, 09:45:38 AM
Glad to see Cochran win. Although, I had Eddie in a random draw office pool and could have won $220 if he won. I think he could have had a shot had he been final three, but I don't think he could have articulated a good case for himself. Cochran on the other hand gave probably the best answers to jury questions I've ever heard. Sherry was an idiot talking and Dawn knew she wasn't going to win.
  How long between the island and live show? Because Brenda was VERY pregnant! At least 6 months. I'm curious as to if she was knocked up during the show or not. If not, it had to be immediately after....like the 'welcome back' from Survivor sex with her BF. Anyway...curious to see who's in he whole blood vs water deal. See if its interesting or not. I'll go insane if a Hantz is involved. Oh, and every so often they just need to cut to a clip of Rudy saying 'queer'.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 13, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
Wiki says it was filmed May to June of 2012.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2013, 09:52:36 AM
Glad to see Cochran win. Although, I had Eddie in a random draw office pool and could have won $220 if he won. I think he could have had a shot had he been final three, but I don't think he could have articulated a good case for himself. Cochran on the other hand gave probably the best answers to jury questions I've ever heard. Sherry was an idiot talking and Dawn knew she wasn't going to win.
  How long between the island and live show? Because Brenda was VERY pregnant! At least 6 months. I'm curious as to if she was knocked up during the show or not. If not, it had to be immediately after....like the 'welcome back' from Survivor sex with her BF. Anyway...curious to see who's in he whole blood vs water deal. See if its interesting or not. I'll go insane if a Hantz is involved. Oh, and every so often they just need to cut to a clip of Rudy saying 'queer'.

They said she was due literally any day, which is why she wasn't in the studio.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2013, 10:11:03 AM
Wiki says it was filmed May to June of 2012.
Plenty of time to get inseminated then. And dang.... That's a fairly long break to wait to see if you've won a million bucks!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2013, 10:25:42 AM
Eddie could have won had he gotten to the end, but he was the least deserving of the three amigos, which is why the the other two were taken out first.  Really, he did about as little as Sherri did. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 13, 2013, 10:28:15 AM
And, surprisingly, even said so to the jury.

I've been watching the "x person arrives at Ponderosa" videos.  Very cool.  In a couple of them, I heard it said that Phillip was very tolerable and not at all the PITA he was at camp.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2013, 10:32:27 AM
Eddie could have won had he gotten to the end, but he was the least deserving of the three amigos, which is why the the other two were taken out first.  Really, he did about as little as Sherri did. 

He plead a pretty good case to Cochran to take him to the final 3 too (which was quite true), but Cochran was smart enough to realize he was the only real competition he had for winning. I don't think Eddie would have beaten Cochran, but he had a much better chance than the other two.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2013, 10:39:15 AM
Eddie could have gotten votes from Michael, Malcolm, Reynold and Andrea, although I think Andrea, despite her crush, would have still voted for Cochran, so Cochran likely still wins, but it just might not have been a sweep.

How did Brenda get 35% of the fan vote for Player of the Year?  By people feeling sorry for her for the blindside and then voting starting the same day, that's how.  Because no way in hell was she one of the two or three best players this season.

And how unconvincing was Dawn's apology to Brenda at the reunion?  It was so bad that Probst had to say to her, "Brenda's right here; you can say it to her," as Dawn was trying to talk her way out of it again.  Brenda accepted the apology, but I don't see those two being pals any time soon.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 13, 2013, 10:40:33 AM
Probst had to keep cutting in, because she'd have blathered on all night.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2013, 10:41:53 AM
Or blubbered (cried) all night.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2013, 10:49:24 AM
How did Brenda get 35% of the fan vote for Player of the Year?  By people feeling sorry for her for the blindside and then voting starting the same day, that's how.  Because no way in hell was she one of the two or three best players this season.

Yep. I'll put that down as yet another reason to hate the family reunion episode. I expected Malcolm to win it again, but I wouldn't have expected her of all people to be that close in the voting.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2013, 11:17:41 AM
Two more interesting things I noticed during the reunion show, both involving Cochran:

1) When he went out and hugged his family, the 4th person he hugged was a tall, younger guy, and the hug seemed awkward.  It was almost like they hesitated for a second, hugged uncomfortably and then when he went back to (what looked like) his parents, he gave this, "Well, that was weird," look for a split second.

2) When Dawn was talking about shutting down her twitter account cause of all the negative feedback this past week, after saying it once, she said, "MY twitter," as she looked at Cochran, like she was saying, "It was my account to do with what I please."  Odd.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2013, 11:28:17 AM
I figured that last guy he hugged was his brother maybe? He stood out to me because he was the only one of Cochran's group that wasn't wearing glasses.

I also noticed that the regular double episode ran longer/later, and the reunion show was about 10 minutes shorter, probably because they cut out half of the players.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2013, 11:49:27 AM
Yeah that hug wih Cochran and that dude was off...I noticed that.

I think Eddie could have made the argument of I've been targeted since day two and survived til the end, he really couldn't form an alliance or anything strategic because he was in no position to. But as I said, there's no way he articulates it correctly and Cochrans arguments/stamens were spot on point and convincing.

Erik going home really was a bummer.

I think it's clear Dawns a headcase.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2013, 04:47:57 AM
Finally got to watch the finale/reunion.

I thought that Cochran winning was a no-brainer, especially once Eddie was gone, although I think Eddie would have had a chance to win if he had made it to the final three.

I still long for the early seasons when it was a final TWO instead of final THREE.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2013, 06:54:19 AM

I still long for the early seasons when it was a final TWO instead of final THREE.

This. Has there been a good explanation as to why they went to three? There is consistently (1) out of the three that has no business being there that gets no votes. It's a waste. Bring back the two finalist format and throw some suspense in there.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 18, 2013, 07:06:51 AM

I still long for the early seasons when it was a final TWO instead of final THREE.

This. Has there been a good explanation as to why they went to three? There is consistently (1) out of the three that has no business being there that gets no votes. It's a waste. Bring back the two finalist format and throw some suspense in there.

Maybe they wanted three people so it seemed less obvious who was going to win, or maybe so it was more likely there would be someone in the final three to keep fans interested.
But as you said, there is always someone who has no chance, so it doesn't make it any less predictable. It's never a close 3 person race. And it gives more time to dedicate to each person making their case, or answering questions, or just being ripped apart. While I have no problem with a final 3, I do think 2 works just as well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2013, 07:28:06 AM
What I'd really like to see again because no one has done it convincingly in quite some time, is someone put the effort into making a 'fake' immunity idol. I always imagine that if I were there and had found the real one I'd invest the time to make a realistic looking fake one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2013, 09:47:55 AM

I still long for the early seasons when it was a final TWO instead of final THREE.

This. Has there been a good explanation as to why they went to three? There is consistently (1) out of the three that has no business being there that gets no votes. It's a waste. Bring back the two finalist format and throw some suspense in there.
I would imagine because when they got down to three, whoever won that last immunity basically got to pick which of the other two got to go to the finals (they couldn't vote for the immunity winner, so their votes against each other would cancel out).  So maybe stopping at the final three actually increases the chances for a split vote.

Just spitballin'.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2013, 05:55:05 PM
Possibly cuts costs by not needing the extra episode?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 19, 2013, 10:25:09 AM
Ok.... Panda got me hooked on Survivor... I  watched a couple seasons on Hulu... and just finished 26 (minus the reunion episode)... holy crap I can't wait for 27 :D

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2013, 10:27:39 AM
Ok.... Panda got me hooked on Survivor... I  watched a couple seasons on Hulu... and just finished 26 (minus the reunion episode)... holy crap I can't wait for 27 :D



:welcome:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 19, 2013, 10:41:09 AM
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Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 19, 2013, 11:13:41 AM
Ok.... Panda got me hooked on Survivor... I  watched a couple seasons on Hulu... and just finished 26 (minus the reunion episode)... holy crap I can't wait for 27 :D

Which seasons did you watch on Hulu, out of curiosity? I've considered going back to rewatch the earliest seasons since I hardly remember the contestants, but it doesn't quite feel the same to watch knowing it happened more than 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 19, 2013, 11:17:15 AM
I wasn't as entirely focused on them as this one... but I think it was (both) redemption island(s) (the seasons with Brandon and Cochran on them?) and one other one... idr
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 19, 2013, 11:21:17 AM
cool, cool. Cochran was also my favorite from that season, so I was glad to see him back. The same can't be said for Brandon.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 19, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
Ok I know for a fact I watched Redemption Island, South Pacific, and a one other... I don't remember lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 17, 2013, 07:08:55 AM
Survivor is BACK!  Tomorrow night, Blood vs. Water airs.  There's a lot going on with this season, here is a link to the full cast and all the new twists:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_blood_vs_water/2013_Aug_21_cast-twists
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 17, 2013, 07:18:28 AM
For the past week or so I have been itching for more Survivor. I knew it must have been about time!

After reading that-

Rupert again? I liked him, but surely they've got others they could use.

I actually don't mind most of those changes, and I enjoyed Redemption Island, but I think they do too much tinkering sometimes. The show just needs strong challenges, and strong characters, and everything else will fall into place. They had good challenges last season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 17, 2013, 07:26:48 AM
Here's my biggest problem.  Colton.  Probst said he wouldn't be back, and now here he is.  Also, Probst has said he likes the Redemption Island idea, as it will allow people like Rupert and Colton (both seemingly universally despised by fans) to stick around longer.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 17, 2013, 07:35:27 AM
When did Probst say Colton wouldn't come back? And is Rupert universally despised? Is it some kind of backlash from him returning so often? Why am I asking so many questions?

Looking at the cast photos, I actually don't recognize a lot of these people at a glance. I can't even tell which is the returning cast member, and which is their tag-along.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 17, 2013, 07:48:15 AM
Regarding Colton:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_one_world/2012_Mar_28_colton-return-probst

This is Rupert's fourth time on the show.  Maybe he isn't universally despised, but I got the impression that he wasn't as big a favorite as he's made out to be.  Everyone can agree that Colton is a piece of shit, though he says he's grown up since One World.

I'm excited to see how Hayden from Big Brother does (Kat, from One World is his loved one).  He's been through the paranoia that pervades the entire game of Big Brother, so maybe that will help him.  Don't know.

Speaking of which, Big Brother's finale airs immediately after Survivor, with arguably the worst final 3 ever.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 17, 2013, 07:59:45 AM
Colton seems like an obvious choice to me, so I'm surprised he ever said that. Colton's time was cut short, and he was hated. In Survivor, they love to bring back people who got a strong reaction, no matter what that reaction was.

I hope he gets booted off early though. He was a catty piece of crap.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 17, 2013, 08:00:58 AM
Every time he showed up on the screen, we were ready to throw something at it.  He was a completely vile piece of shit in every way possible.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 17, 2013, 08:02:27 AM
Colton = me not watching. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 17, 2013, 08:13:16 AM
Colton = me not watching. 


For reals? You never know, he might go early.
I don't want to lose a Survivor thread regular. It's one of the few things we can occasionally agree on! :tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 17, 2013, 08:15:19 AM
If he goes early, then I will start watching.  A girl friend of mine is already giving me crap, cause she likes discussing it with me every week :lol, but I told her the same thing: "Let me know when he is voted out, and then I'll start watching."
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 17, 2013, 08:35:42 AM
woo my first new season of Survivor as a fan :corn
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 17, 2013, 08:37:06 AM
Yay!  Also, Amazing Race starts on the 29th.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 17, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
I'm with Kev on this one, I don't think I can deal with Colton. I can't remember ever disliking a contestant more, or being happier to see someone medically evacuated from the game. I'll probably still watch anyhow, because I don't have the willpower to completely ignore one of my favorite shows, but it could turn into a painful affair if Colton sticks around for too long.

As for Rupert, I always liked him. 4 times is a bit excessive, no doubt, but he's certainly not universally despised.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 19, 2013, 01:31:48 AM
Interesting first episode. The Blood vs Water dynamic has a lot more implications than I first realized, which was shown tonight in tribal council. I think it was a good idea, and would work equally well even without using returning players.
And Redemption Island adds yet another interesting dynamic with the substitutions and potential tribe swapping. But you just knew Rupert was going to swap out. He jumped out before Probst had even finished his sentence. :lol

I don't know a lot of the contestants, but there seem to be a lot of past winners, and they seem to have chosen a lot of people based on their loved one as much more moreso than the returning player.


I'd say it's promising so far. My main concern was that they'd made too many changes for the season, but the ideas seem to work together nicely so far.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 19, 2013, 07:08:32 AM
Hell of a first show.  There's a LOT going on and a LOT of implications from everything they do.  It's pretty sinister how everything seems to be intertwined.  I'm really surprised that Katie didn't get voted out.  MAJOR raw deal for Marissa.  She did well in helping in the challenge, but got sent out because Gervase was an idiot, despite his being COMPLETELY useless in the challenge.

Also, REALLY surprised that Candice of all people got voted off the returnees' tribe.  Made little sense, but Rupert has a point.  Work yourself to death and hopefully I can beat you.  If he loses to her, he's going to look like a bit of an ass, I think.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 19, 2013, 07:21:17 AM
He'd have to survive until the merge to get back into the game, right? Pretty slim chance there. Could end up being a bit of a non event for a 4th time returning player.

Until the puzzle, the new team was dominating, thanks to Gervase. It made me realize that despite the returning players having the slight advantage of having done it before, some of them are returning from pretty old seasons, and in many cases aren't exactly spring chickens compared to their partners.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 19, 2013, 10:25:01 AM
Well, my series recording of Survivor on my DVR was still set from last year, so...

I caved and watched. :facepalm:

But I am glad I did.  It was a good first episode. 

LOL at Gervase hot dogging it after the challenge win when he sucked ass trying to swim.

O/U on how many times we see Colton cry every episode: 4   :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 19, 2013, 10:26:46 AM
Yeah, Gervase shit the bed on that one.  I can't say MUCH, because that would've been me.  I doubt I'd have even made it to the boat.  Swimming is not my strong suit.

That said, if you're going on Survivor, you DAMN sure better know how to swim and do it fairly well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 19, 2013, 10:28:14 PM
O/U on how many times we see Colton cry every episode: 4   :lol :lol :lol

That could make a dangerous drinking game!

Yeah, Gervase shit the bed on that one.  I can't say MUCH, because that would've been me.  I doubt I'd have even made it to the boat.  Swimming is not my strong suit.

That said, if you're going on Survivor, you DAMN sure better know how to swim and do it fairly well.

I would have drowned and died. :lol But you don't go on a show like this without some practice, at least if you're a bigger guy who will have that expectation on them. You can't go through Survivor without several swimming challenges, and this is about as fresh as they're going to be going into a challenge, and he really had no stamina at all. He's lucky that they caught up the time in the challenge, because he completely gave up and would have surely been voted off.

I wouldn't be surprised if they lost the next challenge because of him, and he got the boot anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 21, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
I watched with some trepidation, not really liking the idea for the theme.

I was pleasantly surprised.

Holy shit, no way I would ever participate in this version of Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2013, 02:44:10 AM
Well Rupert was a total non-event. I didn't expect he'd make it all the way back into the game anyway. He placed that thingy really badly. Of course it was going to fall once he started bumping it when the next one!

Colton's back to being bitchy and all over the place, and next week looks to continue that.

Probst said it well when he said there are more layers to coting this season than ever before. A lot more strategy to think of. The strategy doesn't end at voting them out anymore, it extends all the way to the other team, and to loved ones. I think it makes the whole game much less predictable.

I'm getting the feeling that this Survivor is basically an extended family visit episode. That's always a big episode for them, so I think they're trying to milk out that concept to a whole season. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 26, 2013, 07:00:59 AM
Yep.  Two episodes in and Colton is a pain in the ass again.  "Gay Russel Hantz" as Aras called him.  THAT'S funny.  :lol

And it looks like Tyson will play RIGHT into what they didn't want to happen next week, though it could be a big league bluff on the part of the previews.  I was happy to see Candice win the RI challenge.

Also, did anyone else notice Tyson sitting at the campfire at night behind Aras, with his arms him?  That was extremely weird.

Also, I'm okay with Katie staying more or less indefinitely.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 26, 2013, 07:21:15 AM
Yep.  Two episodes in and Colton is a pain in the ass again.  "Gay Russel Hantz" as Aras called him.  THAT'S funny.  :lol

And it looks like Tyson will play RIGHT into what they didn't want to happen next week, though it could be a big league bluff on the part of the previews.  I was happy to see Candice win the RI challenge.

Also, did anyone else notice Tyson sitting at the campfire at night behind Aras, with his arms him?  That was extremely weird.

Also, I'm okay with Katie staying more or less indefinitely.

I missed the first episode but was reminded in a matter of seconds of why I despise(d) Colton so much. Geez....what a friggin' a$$hat. It doesn't appear he will last long though, first time they lose a challenge it looks as if there are enough folks that are on to him already to send him to Redemption Island.

I noticed the Tyson/Aras campfire love clutch as well. 'twas a bit odd.

Candace is hot.

And I do think that preview was designed to trick us into believing Tyson would swap....I think he's just chest thumping to the other tribe that 'its on'.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2013, 07:29:46 AM
Yep.  Two episodes in and Colton is a pain in the ass again.  "Gay Russel Hantz" as Aras called him.  THAT'S funny.  :lol

And it looks like Tyson will play RIGHT into what they didn't want to happen next week, though it could be a big league bluff on the part of the previews.  I was happy to see Candice win the RI challenge.

Also, did anyone else notice Tyson sitting at the campfire at night behind Aras, with his arms him?  That was extremely weird.

I missed that! I'll have to check it back. Weird.

And yeah, that preview makes it look very cut and dried that Tyson will swap. Which i guess means that it definitely won't.

Also, I'm okay with Katie staying more or less indefinitely.

Really? No thanks.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 26, 2013, 07:30:48 AM
Also, I'm okay with Katie staying more or less indefinitely.

Really? No thanks.

To be fair, it isn't even remotely because of her gameplay or her personality.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 26, 2013, 07:32:11 AM
Also, I'm okay with Katie staying more or less indefinitely.

Really? No thanks.

To be fair, it isn't even remotely because of her gameplay or her personality.

Don't worry, I know full well both of your reasons.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 26, 2013, 07:33:08 AM
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 26, 2013, 09:12:31 PM
So... why didn't the tribe vote Colton out when they first landed on the beach? He can only hurt tribe chemistry, and in no way is he an asset in challenges.

As of right now my two favorite characters are Aras and his brother. I hope they each make it far in their respective tribes, and get together come merge time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 02, 2013, 12:02:22 PM
So apparently, if you check the cable guide and read the description of tonight's episode of Survivor, it contains a major spoiler.  In addition, CBS has pics on its Survivor website that spoil some of tonight's episode, as well.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 02, 2013, 12:43:17 PM
 :facepalm: That's super annoying. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 02, 2013, 12:46:36 PM
Yeah, I checked my local cable guide to ensure this was accurate and mine has the spoiler.  Unreal.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 02, 2013, 10:06:42 PM
Probst was TICKED at Colton as he should have been. He really laid into him....Colton was a loser before and still is. I thought it was awesome how that tribe just alienated him and drove him away. That's what should have been done to Boston Rob the season he won. Just an immediate " you're done, don't even try"

Candace is hot.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 10:06:44 PM
So what was the spoiler? Was it about Colton?

So glad Colton is out. What a piece of crap. Nobody's mourning that loss. Probst was right to give his departure no dignity.


I think every single person voted out so far has been in a large way based on their loved one, rather than directly about them. Really interesting to see.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 02, 2013, 10:23:32 PM
So what was the spoiler? Was it about Colton?

So glad Colton is out. What a piece of crap. Nobody's mourning that loss. Probst was right to give his departure no dignity.


I think every single person voted out so far has been in a large way based on their loved one, rather than directly about them. Really interesting to see.

I didn't see the spoiler but it had to be considering how ticked Coz was. I thought it was great how harsh Probst was to Colton. A lot of people wish they could play that game and then you quit?

The 'blood' aspect of the show has added an interesting element for sure.

Candace is hot.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 03, 2013, 06:47:40 AM
Dear Colton.  How's the new asshole that Probst ripped you?

Holy crap, that was major.  Although Colton's now saying on Twitter: "Just wait until you can hear what REALLY happened that Probst doesn't want you to see."

Something tells me there ISN'T a lot more to this.  Colton is a drama queen in every sense of the word.  Good riddance, asshole.

Also, I loved Marissa's "FUCK YOU, BRAD CULPEPER!"  Nice.

Brad is a total snake.  Every season, someone emerges as the person you're REALLY going to be happy to see get blindsided.  Brad is that person for me this season.  Those guys keep purposely voting out strong players like last night, and they're going to swap up tribes pretty soon.

But yeah, I wasn't necessarily ticked about it, it eemed a pretty forgone conclusion, but I was definitely facepalming over it.  The description on the cable guide read:  "A family rivalry leads to an emotional breakdown; a contestant quits the game; a shocking blindside.'  If you watched last week's preview or saw ANY commercials for it this week, then read that, you knew who it would be.  No biggie, but I'm really kinda surprised they let it slip like that.  I suppose it could be that they were trying to lure back people who refused to watch because of Colton.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2013, 07:10:04 AM
Oh yeah, if you saw the preview last week, it would be impossible not to put 2+2 together and know it was Colton. What a shitty spoiler.

Sounds like Colton is still being a bitch even now. Obviously they can't show every bit of footage from around camp, but I don't get the feeling that there was much more contributing to Colton's exit than what we saw. He's a drama queen who overreacts, and I'm glad they gave him an unceremonious exit. You get given a second chance, and don't even see it through.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 03, 2013, 07:12:17 AM
I was elated to see Probst give him such a hard time.  And you can't throw your buff in the fire, that's for people who compete.  BOOM, bitch!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 03, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
Very interesting update from Colton, explaining himself:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_blood_vs_water/2013_Oct_03_colton-quitting-strategy
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2013, 01:05:10 PM
That's what Probst and the producers get for bringing back a whiny crybaby whom very few wanted to see play the game again.  Thank God he is gone, as the season is now much more watchable now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 03, 2013, 01:06:53 PM
Probst now being the host AND running the show kinda seems to compromise the show's integrity.  Methinks it was much better when he was just the host.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 03, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Oh, and I am sorry, but I am not buying his "I left the game so my partner could win" line of crap.  He is a little crybaby who is incapable of getting along with people who aren't just like him or won't play his stupid games, hence all of his crying about his tribe not wanting to sink to his level of having drama everywhere, so he quit.  He is a quitter, and that is what quitters do; they quit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 03, 2013, 01:18:38 PM
Well, it does seem like a fairly logical explanation.

Had it come from a logical person.

Good riddance, loser.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
Well, it does seem like a fairly logical explanation.

Had it come from a logical person.

Good riddance, loser.

Yeah, that. It's a reasonable explanation given the timing of his exit, but coming from Colton, it would have only been a small part of what made up his mind at best, if at all.
He could always have, I don't know, actually started being less of a dick and fitting into his tribe and playing the game. If you can't play the game one way, you adapt. That's what you need to do be able to win Survivor. You adapt to the circumstances. Having two of you in the game gives you twice as many chances of winning, and if he got voted out he could always have discussed it with Caleb and not let him swap.

But instead he whined and quit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 05, 2013, 06:24:43 PM
Only just not got around to watching last week's episode. As has been said, I'm really glad Colton left. I still don't understand why they wouldn't have just voted him off as soon as they hit the beach. Did they honestly think he had changed?

It's going to be really interesting to see the couple compete next week on redemption island.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 10, 2013, 07:44:04 AM
Ballsy move at tribal council that I really didn't expect to work, especially after the re-vote. Going to be interesting to see how it continues from here.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 10, 2013, 07:47:53 AM
I know.  FUCK YOU, BRAD CULPEPER!

WHAT a Tribal Council last night.  Holy crap.  It's tough to know how to feel about it.  I was all looking forward to them deep sixing Brad, but when he went, he was so nice and gracious about it, that it kinda lost some of its oomph for me.  Hopefully the teaser for next week is just that and he won't let Monica switch with him.

The immunity challenge was another good one.  Tadhana continues to blow early leads.  And Tyson comes out half faking what remains of his injured shoulder and helps win the day for them.  By the end, the sling is completely gone.

I like Candice's ability to stay focused and calm during challenges.  Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 10, 2013, 07:54:07 AM
I know.  FUCK YOU, BRAD CULPEPER!

WHAT a Tribal Council last night.  Holy crap.  It's tough to know how to feel about it.  I was all looking forward to them deep sixing Brad, but when he went, he was so nice and gracious about it, that it kinda lost some of its oomph for me.  Hopefully the teaser for next week is just that and he won't let Monica switch with him.

I know. :lol Maybe he just didn't want to give them the satisfaction. He seemed too downright nice when he got to redemption island too. What was that about? It will be go time when it gets to the challenge next week, although I don't think he'll let Monica switch with him. he won't want to be responsible for her losing a challenge, and he'll think he has the best chance of beating the other two (and probably wants to rub it in their faces too).

I like Candice's ability to stay focused and calm during challenges.  Pretty impressive.

Whats-her-face got really rattled, and lost it for herself. Staying calm under the stress is always the difference maker in puzzles. You really need your composure to think clearly. That's why Malcolm always did good at the challenges too. Good focus.

Also, Candice's abilities were looking pretty impressive in her bikini underwater too. *ahem*
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 10, 2013, 07:59:59 AM
Yeah, I'm thinking it's possible that Brad realized he was busted and decided to start playing the nice guy card.  He could do well at Redemption Island.

And yeah, you KNOW that as soon as Marisa lost and left RI, that Jon was nailing it like a piece of cheap drywall.  Hell, you're in a wilderness/paradise in the middle of nowhere (seemingly).  I'm sure they managed to get the hell away from the cameras long enough to enjoy themselves in such a setting.  How awesome would that be?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2013, 10:06:16 AM
While I like rooting against Brad, I think Candice needs to get a clue and realize that her giving TWO clues to the hidden II to her hubby is what put the target on his back, and THAT is why he was voted off.  Bitterness is often a stinky cologne, though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 10, 2013, 10:15:26 AM
Given that handing the clue to a loved one puts an instant target on their back, and that trying to use it against someone has now been rendered null by the idea of simply throwing the clue into the fire instead of reading it, I think that whole concept has run its course now.
If someone really needs the idol that desperately, they're better off taking their chances and finding it on their own. If everyone is aware you have a good chance of finding or having the idol, you're not buying yourself much extra time anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 11, 2013, 10:28:10 AM
Given that handing the clue to a loved one puts an instant target on their back, and that trying to use it against someone has now been rendered null by the idea of simply throwing the clue into the fire instead of reading it, I think that whole concept has run its course now.

this

He could do well at Redemption Island.

this. It will be interesting to see the RI challenge next week. All three are obviously very strong competitors.

And yeah, you KNOW that as soon as Marisa lost and left RI, that Jon was nailing it like a piece of cheap drywall. 

this  :lol She likely won't be leaving the game with a million dollars, but maybe with a baby.

WHAT a Tribal Council last night.  Holy crap.  It's tough to know how to feel about it.  I was all looking forward to them deep sixing Brad, but when he went, he was so nice and gracious about it, that it kinda lost some of its oomph for me.

not so much this, though. I was really happy with the way it turned out. It was a ballsy move and I'm glad it worked out. More exciting for it to come to a head like that in TC instead of a simple blindside, IMO. And to see him leave with such apparent grace was also really refreshing, and surprising. If that was genuine, kudos to him. I've never been that happy to see someone get the boot, and then almost immediately gain a newfound respect for them. It's a good feeling  :D
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 12, 2013, 05:34:36 AM
Finally got caught up on this season.

I am really enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would.  There are a lot of twists and turns.  It is a lot denser than I expected, with every move having basically twice as many ramifications as before.

I'm still not crazy about the whole concept of Redemption Island, but it's definitely more interesting this time.  I hope Candace and John took the opportunity for some quality time.

I'm totally glad that Colton is gone.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 17, 2013, 06:46:01 AM
I think everybody is glad Colton is gone.

Good episode last night.  Mostly.  REALLY irritated to see Candice gone.  Very frustrating.  And I get why Monica might be upset that Brad has garnered such ill will from others, but she only knows the Brad outside of the game.  She doesn't know "Game Brad".  People are COMPLETELY different in game then they are outside it.  Every time he mentiones that all the other peopl on his tribe know he doesn't act like the monster Candice has made him out to be, I never see a single one of them make any sort of indication of agreement.  I damn sure hope to see him get booted from RI.

Nice to see Tadhana finally win one.  Fortunately the challenge was one that gave NOBODY an inherent advantage.  No advantage to nerds, athletes, men, or women, really.  And I REALLY thought Laura B was going instead.  Also, Laura M. put up a warning on her Facebook page indicating that she didn't appreciate that CBS may have portrayed her "massage" in some sort of manner other than being a completely innocent act, and implying some sort of intimacy.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 17, 2013, 07:06:55 AM
I think everybody is glad Colton is gone.

Good episode last night.  Mostly.  REALLY irritated to see Candice gone.  Very frustrating.  And I get why Monica might be upset that Brad has garnered such ill will from others, but she only knows the Brad outside of the game.  She doesn't know "Game Brad".  People are COMPLETELY different in game then they are outside it.  Every time he mentiones that all the other peopl on his tribe know he doesn't act like the monster Candice has made him out to be, I never see a single one of them make any sort of indication of agreement.  I damn sure hope to see him get booted from RI.

Nice to see Tadhana finally win one.  Fortunately the challenge was one that gave NOBODY an inherent advantage.  No advantage to nerds, athletes, men, or women, really.  And I REALLY thought Laura B was going instead.  Also, Laura M. put up a warning on her Facebook page indicating that she didn't appreciate that CBS may have portrayed her "massage" in some sort of manner other than being a completely innocent act, and implying some sort of intimacy.

Yeah it's a bummer Candace is gone. She was a good competitor and it sucks she went straight to Redemption Island. And she was easy on the eyes.

Laura M. Shouldn't be shocked the way CBS edited that footage. What did she think would happen? I mean, footage doesn't lie and innocent or not that was a fairly intimate massage. I was waiting to see if Aras got the happy ending.
 
Isn't there a Survivor insider at DTf? If so and he's reading.....CBS has to know the formula in which they use to edit the show reveals who is going to get kicked off before it actually happens. Between the intimate massage, Laura's commentary after that massage and the quips from the challenge....I thought it was fairly obvious she was heading home.

Previews suggest a merge or some other team re-arranging next week. Which will be good because it has the potential to get boring if kept at the same pace.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 17, 2013, 07:18:45 AM
Laura's disclaimer on Facebook:

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To all my family and friends: I knew going into this that I was taking the chance of the risk of the “edit” of Hollywood. Tonights episode of Survivor does just that. They have taken a COMPLETELY innocent situation and make it look “Intimate”. Those of you that know me, know my heart and how much I love and value my Faith, my husband & my family, and those of you that don’t, you are going to think want you want, but please know that I would have given that same massage to my sons. So that is why I am so offended by how CBS is implying anything inappropriate. Please hang in there with me, I know it doesn’t make sense now, but it will as the weeks go by. If you think this show has been intense so far…..just wait….the excitement is just about to start. Thank you for all your support. It REALLY means a lot to both Ciera Morett Eastin and myself. Please join Ciera Morett Eastin and myself at Gilgamesh Brewing to watch tonights episode. Thanks again. Keeping the Faith.

Also, yeah, bobs23 is a Survivor insider.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 17, 2013, 07:42:04 AM
I think everybody is glad Colton is gone.

Good episode last night.  Mostly.  REALLY irritated to see Candice gone.  Very frustrating.  And I get why Monica might be upset that Brad has garnered such ill will from others, but she only knows the Brad outside of the game.  She doesn't know "Game Brad".  People are COMPLETELY different in game then they are outside it.  Every time he mentiones that all the other peopl on his tribe know he doesn't act like the monster Candice has made him out to be, I never see a single one of them make any sort of indication of agreement.  I damn sure hope to see him get booted from RI.

Nice to see Tadhana finally win one.  Fortunately the challenge was one that gave NOBODY an inherent advantage.  No advantage to nerds, athletes, men, or women, really.  And I REALLY thought Laura B was going instead.  Also, Laura M. put up a warning on her Facebook page indicating that she didn't appreciate that CBS may have portrayed her "massage" in some sort of manner other than being a completely innocent act, and implying some sort of intimacy.

I can't be bothered writing a detailed reply, but I just agree with all of this.

I didn't think there was anything too intimate about the massage, at least it was clear that was not her intention. It was just a bit of manipulation to help herself in the game. Nothing wrong with that. It just didn't help her at all. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 17, 2013, 10:00:10 AM
The episode synopsis for last night's episode when I DVRd it basically said there was gonna be another blindside, so thanks for basically telling us ahead of time who was going home. :tdwn :tdwn  Jeez, you would think they would be a bit more vague with those episode descriptions, than basically giving something like that away.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 23, 2013, 09:23:33 PM
The preview made it pretty obvious they were swapping teams this week, and it wasn't unexpected given that they always do that when things are getting one sided, although the new teams are arguably a lot more one sided despite being more even in numbers.

The new Galang tribe f'ed up that challenge big time. Even after catching up on the puzzle they managed to mess it up!

Yet again the idol clue idea was a bust. I don't think the producers realized how much the fear of being a target outweighed the benefits of getting a clue. Nobody gets a chance to sneak off and find it anymore anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 23, 2013, 09:44:43 PM
The preview made it pretty obvious they were swapping teams this week, and it wasn't unexpected given that they always do that when things are getting one sided, although the new teams are arguably a lot more one sided despite being more even in numbers.

The new Galang tribe f'ed up that challenge big time. Even after catching up on the puzzle they managed to mess it up!

Yet again the idol clue idea was a bust. I don't think the producers realized how much the fear of being a target outweighed the benefits of getting a clue. Nobody gets a chance to sneak off and find it anymore anyway.

I'd show up prepared as if I were going to be selected to be the clue with a diversion clue....throw that in the fire after some sleight of hand and keep the real clue. Yeah....that's what I'd do!

They'd have been dumb to eliminate V anyway because he's their only guy! They need him for challenges.

Starting to remember why I didn't like Tyson also.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 23, 2013, 09:52:16 PM
I'd show up prepared as if I were going to be selected to be the clue with a diversion clue....throw that in the fire after some sleight of hand and keep the real clue. Yeah....that's what I'd do!

They'd have been dumb to eliminate V anyway because he's their only guy! They need him for challenges.

Starting to remember why I didn't like Tyson also.

:lol That's a great idea, although it would take some preparation, and maybe skill.

Vitas is probably the first one gone next vote. I think they'll choose alliances ready for the merge over strength.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 24, 2013, 04:28:37 AM
Actually, I thought Tyson was awesome.  This was the first time I've really liked him very much.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 24, 2013, 06:29:18 AM
Vitas played it awesome at TC.  Saw a crack in the alliance and exploited the shit out of it.  Maybe their minds had already been made up, but the more he threw her under the bus, the more she appeared like she belonged there.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 24, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
Yeah, that was great.  Plus, Kat is one of the dumbest players I've ever seen, so I'm glad I won't have to listen to her anymore.  For a while, anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 24, 2013, 09:55:58 AM
And the thing about her that annoyed me was that she had a tendency to act pissy.  Always making faces and rolling her eyes and acting inconvenienced in some way.  It doesn't at all hurt my feelings that they voted her out.

Also, as BVD said, I was a little surprised at how unevenly the split turned out.  A team of ALL woemn and one man and a team of ALL men and one woman.  Very odd.  Not particularly fair, despite being at random.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 24, 2013, 09:56:51 AM
The stupidity of Kat was never more glaring than last night.  I mean, you got busted, and then you are gonna lie about it?  Any chance she had was gone then.  Better to admit it, ask for forgiveness an hope for the best, rather than continuously lie through your teeth.  In essence, Tina and Monica put her wavering loyalty to the test, and her lying was her failing it big time.  Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!! :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 25, 2013, 10:25:15 AM
I'd show up prepared as if I were going to be selected to be the clue with a diversion clue....throw that in the fire after some sleight of hand and keep the real clue. Yeah....that's what I'd do!

They'd have been dumb to eliminate V anyway because he's their only guy! They need him for challenges.

Starting to remember why I didn't like Tyson also.

:lol That's a great idea

I'm also really enjoying Tyson this season and hope he makes it far, so long as it doesn't mean the death of Aras. I'm really hoping for an Aras Vytas reunion at the merge, though I don't know if they will both make it. Vytas played Kat like a champ this past week, but I would still be surprised if he wasn't the next one gone.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 30, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
Man, Laura B just shot herself in the foot. All she had to do was shut up, and they had an easy vote, but instead she forgot she was playing Survivor. :lol
Vytas has been in a tough spot with this tribe, but he hasn't had a difficult time exploiting the cracks at all so far. He hasn't had to scramble, or push, he just keeps calm and gives his case, and that's that.

No surprise that Kat was gone at redemption island. She's really not much use at anything.

And next week, the merge. Vytas + bro are going to be early targets, I think.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 31, 2013, 10:49:08 AM


No surprise that Kat was gone at redemption island. She's really not much use at anything.
 

I am guessing Hayden would argue otherwise, since she seems like one of those needy, co-dependent gals who will let her boyfriend do whatever he wants to her, just to make him happy, if you know what I mean. :biggrin:  In other words, he is in that relationship so long as the fun outweighs the crazy. :lol :lol 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 31, 2013, 10:53:51 AM
Speaking of which, was it just me, or did it seem like he had no intention of ever swapping with her while at redemption island, but kind of led her to think it was her decision for him to stay in the game?
He obviously has more chance in the game than her, so his argument was right, but she seemed to think he would have been ready to swap, but I didn't get that impression. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 31, 2013, 12:05:02 PM
Sure seemed that way.  If she'd gone back in the game, she'd have been voted out next week, probably.  And while I understand the "Check with your alliance first" mindset, they'd ALL agreed earlier that Vytas should go, so I REALLY don't see where she was all THAT out of line in saying something to him.  She was gooing on the agreement they'd all made, understandably.  But in Survivor, you have to assume that everything has changed within a half hour.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 07, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
I hope Aras can stay alive on Redemption Island, as he is obviously one of the greatest competitors out there. It would have been nice to see him compete with Vytas until the end, but I knew he was gone as soon as he lost the immunity challenge. Thankfully, he's still in it and I think he has a decent chance at holding on. The challenge now will be for Vytas to stay away from Redemption Island, somehow.

Vytas, Tina, Little Tina, and Monica make a solid 4, but I don't see anyone else switching sides from the singles+Laura alliance.

Still a lot of time left though, it will be interesting to see how it pans out. This really has been one of the more interesting recent seasons, with the family component.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 07, 2013, 11:53:49 AM
Definitely an excellent factor in all this.

What irked me was the final RI challenge.  That challenge was, in my opinion, unfairly slanted towards a woman to win and whoever chose that for the "return to the game" challenge knew it.  Jon had more body weight to support than either of the other two, without question.  It's a no brainer he'll be out first.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 07, 2013, 01:04:15 PM
yeah, that irked me as well. I can't remember that particular challenge ever being won by someone without a uterus. I was hoping John would come back anyhow, as he was out the longest and he would mix things up a bit more.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 07, 2013, 09:27:48 PM
Definitely an excellent factor in all this.

What irked me was the final RI challenge.  That challenge was, in my opinion, unfairly slanted towards a woman to win and whoever chose that for the "return to the game" challenge knew it.  Jon had more body weight to support than either of the other two, without question.  It's a no brainer he'll be out first.

I guess they figure the extra strength makes up for it, although at that point in the game everyone's weak, so I suppose it doesn't work out that way.

"My thighs were holding on so tight to that thing"

Hot.



Like senecadawg2, I knew Aras was gone the second Vytas won the immunity idol. They're obviously targeting the pairs right now, because ultimately they're going to stick together. Better to get rid of them while the numbers are there to do it.
Vytas has played a good game so far, so hopefully he can make it a lot further. I think he's going to be a big target at some point though, and he's perhaps getting a bit too confident.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 07, 2013, 09:31:51 PM
Monica is really dumb, throwing a hissy fit cause Tina told her she was number 5 in their alliance.  Uh, if you are number 5 in an alliance where the top 4 are two couples/family members, when it gets down to 5, you are the swing vote and can decide which couple to take to the final 3.  Amazing how short-sighted some are.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 07, 2013, 11:43:01 PM
Monica is really dumb, throwing a hissy fit cause Tina told her she was number 5 in their alliance.  Uh, if you are number 5 in an alliance where the top 4 are two couples/family members, when it gets down to 5, you are the swing vote and can decide which couple to take to the final 3.  Amazing how short-sighted some are.  :lol :lol

And that's if it even gets that far. I see the couples being picked off much earlier, regardless of what they say about alliances and final 5 or whatever.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 08, 2013, 07:16:21 PM
Definitely an excellent factor in all this.

What irked me was the final RI challenge.  That challenge was, in my opinion, unfairly slanted towards a woman to win and whoever chose that for the "return to the game" challenge knew it.  Jon had more body weight to support than either of the other two, without question.  It's a no brainer he'll be out first.

That hearkens back to 'Fighter Pilot Terry' days when he dominated post merge and the final challenge to get to the end was that retarded balance on a sheet of wood in the water.....clearly designed for a woman to win.....Aras was falling off as well then also. Fighter Pilot Terry was screwed and then Aras....who apparently thinks he played such a great game to win his season....won because everyone hated the 85 lb chic who won that challenge.

Monica is really dumbannoying...makes me want to eat glass and throw myself down a flight of steps, throwing a hissy fit cause Tina told her she was number 5 in their alliance.  Uh, if you are number 5 in an alliance where the top 4 are two couples/family members, when it gets down to 5, you are the swing vote and can decide which couple to take to the final 3.  Amazing how short-sighted some are.  :lol :lol

The lady annoys the  :censored out of me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 13, 2013, 07:46:15 AM
Please get rid of Monica tonight...Please get rid of Monica tonight...Please get rid of Monica tonight...Please get rid of Monica tonight...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 13, 2013, 07:50:58 AM
Please get rid of Monica tonight...Please get rid of Monica tonight...Please get rid of Monica tonight...Please get rid of Monica tonight...

:clap:

She looks like the poor mans Shania Twain.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 13, 2013, 07:52:09 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 13, 2013, 10:01:20 AM
I sure hope so. As long as it's not vytas or Tyson, as those are my two favorites right now (wish they were allied together...)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2013, 09:28:14 PM
A very packed episode tonight, basically two episodes in one, with two tribals.
That first half was basically a kick in the teeth for those of us who wanted Vytas to keep going, and for Monia to go. :lol He should have kept his mouth shut at tribal. I don't know what his strategy was, but he was not playing smart.

I'm glad Tina went. All during the immunity challenge when she was encouraging Katie, all I could think was STFU TINA! If I was Katie, that just would have pissed me right off. This is why the couples are all getting voted off.

Those eating challenges never get easier to watch either. No matter how many times they do them (like every single season), I found this one especially hard to watch. :lol It's a shame Vytas didn't go all the way after being such a trooper with those worms.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 13, 2013, 09:37:51 PM
A very packed episode tonight, basically two episodes in one, with two tribals.
That first half was basically a kick in the teeth for those of us who wanted Vytas to keep going, and for Monia to go. :lol He should have kept his mouth shut at tribal. I don't know what his strategy was, but he was not playing smart.

I'm glad Tina went. All during the immunity challenge when she was encouraging Katie, all I could think was STFU TINA! If I was Katie, that just would have pissed me right off. This is why the couples are all getting voted off.

Those eating challenges never get easier to watch either. No matter how many times they do them (like every single season), I found this one especially hard to watch. :lol It's a shame Vytas didn't go all the way after being such a trooper with those worms.

I was thinking the same thing. That would have been annoying trying to concentrate with your mom right behind you going 'good job sweetie'.

SUCKED to see Vytas go. Bummed about that. Maybe he'll make a run at Redemption. The only thing I haven't eaten that they ate tonight was the pig intestines. I was 'that guy' who didn't turn down a dare from about age 12-26. There's not an insect I haven't eaten and if anyone cares to know urine tastes....well...like pi$$.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2013, 09:56:34 PM
Positive reinforcement can work in challenges that require endurance and toughness, but in a concentration/balancing challenge, it can only put you off.

I think there's little chance Tina is not losing Redemption Island next week, so I expect Vytas and Aras are surviving another week at least.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2013, 11:29:31 PM
I thought the same thing about Tina yapping at Katie while she was trying to concentrate, but hell, Probst does that non-stop in every damn challenge.  Just once, I wanna say a player, after Probst tells them that they have to concentrate, to say to him, "Well, if you'd shut up, Jeff, it's be a lot freaking easier!" :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 14, 2013, 07:19:32 AM
I thought the same thing about Tina yapping at Katie while she was trying to concentrate, but hell, Probst does that non-stop in every damn challenge.  Just once, I wanna say a player, after Probst tells them that they have to concentrate, to say to him, "Well, if you'd shut up, Jeff, it's be a lot freaking easier!" :lol

My wife and I always joke that he probably narrates everything. "Jeff's decided he wants sex....he's going to go with the neck caress to lead off to see if she's interested........"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 14, 2013, 01:42:35 PM
Who voted for Tyson?

Katie voted Monica, and there's no reason why Tina wouldn't do the same. What benefit would it be for Tina to vote Tyson when it was obviously herself or Monica? Presumably, the rest would have gone to Tina. So does that mean maybe Monica voted Tyson, in case Tina had the idol and the only other votes were for her? Still, that would be 2 (mother and daughter) against 1, so that move wouldn't make sense for her.

Did Tyson vote for himself? He was the only one sure that voting for Tina would work, and he was obviously safe. But still, with what purpose?

I'm obviously missing something, someone help me out!


Edit: apparently it was Tina, according to Wikipedia.

But I still don't understand what that would accomplish. Obviously, if the rest of that 7 person alliance had decided on Monica than Tina's vote wouldn't change that anyways. But why not vote for Monica anyways, in case it was a split vote with 3 to Tina and 3 to Monica (with the 7th, Monica, voting for Tina)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 14, 2013, 01:55:11 PM
Yeah, that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, either.  And with every episode, Monica gets slightly more and more annoying.

And regarding Tina's yapping, here's what Andy at Reality blurred had to say.  Link (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_blood_vs_water/2013_Nov_14_vytas-tina-out)

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Unhelpful commentary was also provided by Tina, who coached Katie to victory at the second immunity challenge by being the most annoying Survivor stage mom ever: “Katie, take your time”; “Good job, sweetie. Atta girl.” Considering Tina had earlier—and very smartly—told Katie to distance herself from her mother, this was roughly the equivalent of releasing a dove and saying, “Fly away, little bird!” and then shooting it out of the sky.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 20, 2013, 09:19:09 PM
I was a little shocked to see someone actually keep the idol clue this week. It's so rare. :lol And a bit of a stupid move.

For the second time Monica wins immunity. DAMMIT. And when was the last time they did an original challenge? It's always the exact same challenges every season.

Ciera played a pretty smart game this week (although it took nothing to fool Katie :lol ). She even made it clear she voted for her mother, probably to prove to the rest of the tribe that she was still with the group, and not mad about her getting voted off.



Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 21, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
Smart move by Ciera.  Bummed to see Aras go, as I reallly liked him.  As opposed to past seasons, I'm really liking Tyson this time around, but I don't see him staying much longer, preview aside.

Also, I will say this: for as much as Monica has irritated me, it was a major, MAJOR cool move to give her reward feast to everybody else, while she sat out.  But for her, she was probably like "You know what, eat and enjoy.  I still have immunity."  But good karma on her for that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 21, 2013, 08:41:09 AM
I can see how you'd feel like a bit of a dick with that much food (and it was more than ANY person could eat), and it seemed like it was a genuine move on her part, rather than a strategic move (which would have played into it a little).
With that much food, I wouldn't have been surprised if she was given the option to swap anyway, had she not mentioned it herself.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 21, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
I'm just tired of immunity challenges designed for people of very light weight.....i.e...women. It's annoying and seems to be more prevalent in this season than ever. Any challenge that has to do with essentially managing your weight benefits the women, period.

Given my undying devotion to fighter pilot Terry I had great pleasure watching Aras get eliminated. Wish it would have happened to him on the season he backed into the finals and found himself up against a woman who people hated so they gave him a million bucks instead.

I'd blindside the heck out of Tyson the first chance you could.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 21, 2013, 08:50:03 AM
I can see how you'd feel like a bit of a dick with that much food (and it was more than ANY person could eat), and it seemed like it was a genuine move on her part, rather than a strategic move (which would have played into it a little).
With that much food, I wouldn't have been surprised if she was given the option to swap anyway, had she not mentioned it herself.

Well, I think what was going to happen (she didn't even give Probst a chance to play games), was the usual "pick one person to join you.  Now pick another" bit OR like you said, a chance to swap.  Good for her for not letting Producer Jeff Probst create unnecessary drama, by cutting him off and giving it to the others.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 21, 2013, 08:56:07 AM
I can see how you'd feel like a bit of a dick with that much food (and it was more than ANY person could eat), and it seemed like it was a genuine move on her part, rather than a strategic move (which would have played into it a little).
With that much food, I wouldn't have been surprised if she was given the option to swap anyway, had she not mentioned it herself.

Well, I think what was going to happen (she didn't even give Probst a chance to play games), was the usual "pick one person to join you.  Now pick another" bit OR like you said, a chance to swap.  Good for her for not letting Producer Jeff Probst create unnecessary drama, by cutting him off and giving it to the others.

Oh right, I forgot he got her to choose one person. They pulled that move last season with the family visit, where they got them to choose two people, then gave them the option of switching and letting everyone else have their family visit instead.
I wouldn't put it past them to have done that here. That food was clearly for a group, not just a couple of people to pig out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 21, 2013, 08:56:43 AM
Tyson's game might get him to the finals, but it will be hard for him to win if he keeps this up.  This being his 3rd time, you'd think he'd know that playing the "big bad wolf," as he called himself, is a surefire way to sit in the finals, get reamed, and get no votes.

It's kind hard not to root for Ciera after last night.  But given how terrible she has been in challenges, she is gonna have to get to the end on pure game alone, not by winning challenges.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 21, 2013, 11:15:09 AM
From Andy, at Reality Blurred: (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_blood_vs_water/2013_Nov_21_laura-ciera)

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Ultimately, the alliance decided a pair was a bigger threat than Katie. Their decision was clear when Probst showed one vote for Laura, one for Katie, and then another for Laura; clearly, there were no more Katie votes. But then he surprised us: the last vote was for “Laura (Mom),” and it was devastating. It’s well-known that Probst arranges votes to be as dramatic as possible, but considering his likely ecstatic response when he and other producers were reviewing votes and deciding to show that one last, I’m surprised that vote wasn’t stuck to the others.

:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 21, 2013, 12:00:45 PM
Overall this seemed like a rather uneventful episode. I am sad to see Aras get the boot, though hopefully that gives Vytas a better chance at getting back in the game later.

Tyson's game might get him to the finals, but it will be hard for him to win if he keeps this up.  This being his 3rd time, you'd think he'd know that playing the "big bad wolf," as he called himself, is a surefire way to sit in the finals, get reamed, and get no votes.

It's kind hard not to root for Ciera after last night.  But given how terrible she has been in challenges, she is gonna have to get to the end on pure game alone, not by winning challenges.

I actually think Tyson has managed to find a great balance of being a strong strategist while also not pissing anyone off (reminds me a bit of Cochran, last season). Sooner or later though, he's going to have to win a challenge or two as he is probably the biggest target remaining.

As for Ciera, I can't say I share your thoughts. I don't think she has made a single active move this entire game. You could argue that voting her mom out was that big move, but she didn't really have another option and she even came across as somewhat selfish in doing it. Just my opinion though, and I'm sure many of the other people (especially those on the jury) will think differently. Still, all I see is that she got stuck in with the right alliance and has played along well, but hardly deserves to win anything at this point. She has proved to be poor in challenges, and if she gets to the final three i think it will be just because she's easy to beat (as her mom pointed out on the beach in this episode).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 30, 2013, 05:27:56 AM
I agree with ^all of that^
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 30, 2013, 08:31:39 AM
Was ticked to see Vytas get double teamed like that. Made me curious as to if they get their choice of position or not because one should always want that middle spot just for the reason to be able to see both other players. I'd have been ticked if I lost to Tina in anything....especially if she were helped like that.

Monica may not lose an immunity challenge. I mean, the chic is strong both mentally and physically and it's clear the men remaining are a bunch of Sissys.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 30, 2013, 08:39:27 AM
I was surprised they allowed Tina and Laura to cheat like that.  Yes, cheat. Allowing that throws off the competitive balance in what is supposed to be an "every man/woman for him/herself" challenge.

Aside from that, I will be shocked if Tyson doesn't win this thing.  He is getting a winner's edit. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 30, 2013, 08:47:56 AM
I was surprised they allowed Tina and Laura to cheat like that.  Yes, cheat. Allowing that throws off the competitive balance in what is supposed to be an "every man/woman for him/herself" challenge.

Aside from that, I will be shocked if Tyson doesn't win this thing.  He is getting a winner's edit.

Definitely right about that. It has to be intentional....because CBS edits each of their episodes to where you should know who's being voted off before they are....and like you've pointed out, by this point in the season who is going to make the final three. Probably Gervais, Tyson and a person who won't get one vote.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 30, 2013, 09:01:48 AM
Probably Monica. Remember that she was talked about for weeks as being on the bottom of the alliance, so I don't think she is well-liked by the majority.  And even if she gets to the end thanks to winning more challenges, history has shown that juries have way more respect for players who get to the end thanks to game play rather than by winning challenge after challenge (see: Colby losing Season 2, despite dominating most of the individual challenges post-merge).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 30, 2013, 09:57:34 PM
I almost forgot all about Survivor this week!

I'm a bit bummed to see Vytas go because of Tina getting helped when there was literally only a second or two in it. Tina didn't deserve to stay in the game.

I'm not too sad to see Caleb go. He was a nice guy, but largely under the radar lately.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 01, 2013, 08:10:23 AM
Too bad Tyson wasted his idol like that. And for a second there I thought he might have forgotten it  :lol

There have been many episodes in which I completely forgot Caleb was playing.

As for Vytas losing the challenge, I was pissed. It is, very much, cheating. They should put barriers up between them when there are puzzles. And now I'm left cheering for Tyson.

Also, not buying the 'next time on Survivor' clip in which they suggest that Gervais might blindside Tyson. Those two have been the closest alliance all game, and I don't see that changing next week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 05, 2013, 02:23:22 AM
Crazy tribal council tonight! Ciera is likely screwed for next week after that. Her or whats-his-face.

But I'm glad Katie went. I never liked her, and that was the best result they could have gotten from drawing rocks imo.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 05, 2013, 06:31:44 AM
I'm on the fence about Katie.  On one hand, she was pretty much useless, didn't contribute a lot to competitions and wasn't part of any strong alliance or strategic plan.  On the other hand, tits.

It was a damn crazy tribal council.  The promos that CBS ran for Survivor during footbal on Sunday spoiled the entire thing.  I indicated that there would be a rock drawing.  It showed Probst walking past the 3 jury members, spoiling who lost at RI, and showed three hands outstretched in separate shots.  Anybody who was paying close attention would figure out who all was drawing rocks.

Tyson isn't, I think, particularly popular, but I am thinking I'd like to see him win.  Him or Gervase, really.  All Ciera has done is align herself with people who are moving forward - she hasn't really done much otherwise, unless you count voting her mom out.  Okay, so she made one difficult vote the whole time she's been out there.  Yay.  And as Kev noted, though Monica has been crushing it at immunity challenges (and almost did AGAIN last night), juries don't seem to care about that.  It will be interesting to see where all this goes.

And yeah, I was extremely irritated at Tina cheating/Laura helping last week.  Win for yourself.  At least she won second place fair and square this week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 05, 2013, 06:39:11 AM
I'm on the fence about Katie.  On one hand, she was pretty much useless, didn't contribute a lot to competitions and wasn't part of any strong alliance or strategic plan.  On the other hand, tits.

On the other hand, she's completely gross.

And yeah, I was extremely irritated at Tina cheating/Laura helping last week.  Win for yourself.  At least she won second place fair and square this week.

More accurately, she just didn't lose. LP :lol Not that she did bad at building, or to take anything away from her, as she wasn't far behind at all, but she also got a little lucky that Caleb f'ed it up last second. Laura crushed it though.

What is it with CBS spoiling everything this season? This is at least the 3rd or 4th time you guys have mentioned similar incidents. Luckily I don't see anything about the show except the preview at the end of each episode, but that's pretty bad. Do they take their audience for complete idiots and think they can't put 2 and 2 together?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 05, 2013, 06:53:20 AM
On the other hand, she's completely gross.

More accurately, she just didn't lose. LP :lol Not that she did bad at building, or to take anything away from her, as she wasn't far behind at all, but she also got a little lucky that Caleb f'ed it up last second. Laura crushed it though.

What is it with CBS spoiling everything this season? This is at least the 3rd or 4th time you guys have mentioned similar incidents. Luckily I don't see anything about the show except the preview at the end of each episode, but that's pretty bad. Do they take their audience for complete idiots and think they can't put 2 and 2 together?

Well, yeah, on the island, where you're up against real life and the elements and such, yeah, most people aren't that presentable.  In real life:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaIDfYdCcAAkQ-O.jpg)

Not as bad.  Although her mouth is a little strange.

Laura did crush it.  Again.  Get her and Monica together on RI and it'll really be game on.

Yeah, I have no idea what the hell is up with Survivor doing this recently.  The promo video goes by quickly enough that you have to REALLY be paying attention to it to see what happens and to catch the spoilers, but they were clearly there.  Very strange.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 05, 2013, 06:58:58 AM
Meh, she's still average. Makeup makes anyone look at least a little better.

That's one thing I always enjoy about the reunion show, actually. You see them for an entire season all malnourished and rough, but many of them are still good looking, but then you see them after a sammich and some makeup etc, and then BAM. Often it takes a moment to realize who they actually are.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 05, 2013, 07:01:32 AM
Totally, it's like "Holy crap, who would have ever imagined these people could clean up so well?"  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 05, 2013, 08:45:20 AM
Gervase has no chance of winning over the jury now.  Not after the way he ran his mouth last night.  He had been fairly low key in that regard since early in the season, but the annoying douche who was responsible for his loved one getting ousted was back last night.

Tyson will win this in a rout.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 05, 2013, 08:47:23 AM
Right, that intense mouth running earns you nothing but bad karma.  It will get you nowhere but 2nd place.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 05, 2013, 09:34:03 AM
ALSO damned funny:

Probst: In what ways are you similar with Colton?
Caleb: Well, we're both guys.

L

O

L
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 05, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
I did like that Gervase called Caleb out on his hypocrisy when it came to lying and trying to backstab. 

Also, Tyson had the line of the night when he said that he'd hide the hidden II in his crotch because no one would suspect a bulge there. :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 05, 2013, 10:10:15 PM
Two have them have been mentioned, but there were 3 hilarious moments in last night's episode. 'Ruffle Feathers."  :rollin

I'm glad Caleb got the boot, he never did much for me. The same goes for Katie.

And yeah, I am seeing a Tyson victory right about now. Though, it could get dicey when the Redemption Island victor reenters.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2013, 06:27:48 AM
And given the way it has been going at RI, Laura seems most likely to be the one to come back.  RED FLAG, EVERYONE!  Get rid of Ciera now.  If her mom comes back and you didn't get rid of Ciera, that's a duo you don't want around.  Getting rid of her next is their smartest play, to avoid that happening.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 06, 2013, 11:09:06 AM
I agree. Though, I think it may be a little more dangerous to keep Hayden around. I know he hasn't won any challenges yet, but he seems more likely than Ciera to go on a tear these next couple challenges. Of course, neither has as good a chance as Monica of doing that. I'm not a fan of the way she has played the game, and her personality rubs me the wrong way, but it's hard to deny that she deserves her place more than Caleb and Katie did.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2013, 11:11:22 AM
I thought the same thing.  She irritated me from the beginning and that may have been by association to Brad.  But she has been a tough competitor at challenges, big time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 06, 2013, 11:18:14 AM
Which reminds me of something I was thinking when watching the episode last night. There have been quite a few repeat challenges this season. It feels like that house of cards challenge has been done at least a dozen times. With that being said, the immunity challenge was really refreshing in that it didn't favor any one player over the rest. It was very simple/straightforward and yet it felt pretty unique by this season's standard.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 06, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
There have been several recycled challenges this season.  It's a bit of a bummer, but even then, their challenge design folks still put together some extremely cool stuff.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 07, 2013, 03:01:13 AM
Tyson: "That's your seat over there."  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 07, 2013, 06:30:55 AM
I know, Tyson has been on fire with the one-liners. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 07, 2013, 07:27:04 AM
I don't remember enjoying him nearly as much his first two times around. But so far he's been a great example of the merits of returning players.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 07, 2013, 09:05:51 AM
Initially I didn't like Tyson but at this point it's like the season Boston Rob won it. It is by his slick game playing he is where he is combined with the others being dumb enough to think they are actually playing instead of being played.....ahem....Gervais...ahem.....

At this point it's his game to lose.


Tyson: "That's your seat over there."  :lol

That was hilarious.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2013, 06:22:50 AM
So almost up the final. Laura has been dominating the Redemption Island challenges (she's had enough practice at it :lol ), so I'd put odds on her coming back into the game. Tina is terrible, and Hayden is pretty average at any part of a challenge that isn't purely physical.

So what are we betting on for final 3? It looks like Monica isn't going to flip, which would give us a Tyson/Monica/Gervase final 3, which would be an easy win for Tyson I think. Ciera wouldn't fare too well if she made it to final 3, and likewise whoever returns from Redemption probably wouldn't either.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2013, 06:55:30 AM
Ciera was all "Look at me, I did it! In your face, America!"  Whooptie shit.  You won one challenge.  Now suddenly you've got what it takes to be awesome all of the sudden?  No.

What confused me more was the fact that Tyson said very little at TC while Hayden and Ciera ran their mouths to Monica the whole time.  Tyson and Gervase would've been wise, knowing how PARANOID Monica is, to take her aside immediately after the challenge and say "Look, they are going to come to you and do everything they can to fill your head full of lies and throw us under the bus and make us out to be bad guys.  They're trying to make you paranoid and put doubt in your mind.  Don't listen.  Anything they say, we'll be happy to refute."

Hell, with every single episode, I want Tyson to win more and more.  Sure, he's been a bit of a jerk.  But Gervase has done next to nothing but ride Tyson's coattails.  Monica has won a lot of challenges, but has basically followed Tyson around also.  Laura, who's pretty much a shoe-in to return to the game got voted out twice already.  Hopefully, third time's a charm.  If not, and she stays in, yeah, she could say "I got voted out twice and I'm still here!", but if I were a jury member, I'd think "I voted you out twice for a reason".

I kinda chuckled when Katie came in as a jury member and they were like "WOW!".  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2013, 07:09:07 AM
Tyson seems to let everyone else dig their own graves, while not placing himself in the crossfire unless his own ass is on the line. It's working well for him so far. Monica was pretty silly for even believing Ciera for a second, since as they pointed out, it was an obvious tactic for anyone on the chopping block.

I'd like Tyson to win. He's played a worthy game.
Gervase has been obnoxious since day 1, and is just a loud mouthed idiot.
Monica is the typical tagalong who has done very little even factoring in a couple of immunity wins. I can see how that final tribal council would go for her right now. She'll be crying and pleading that she's won immunity challenges and been loyal, and everyone would be putting her in her place and pointing out that she's a worthless pawn.
Ciera has had to up her game a bit the past couple of weeks to stay alive, but she hasn't done much overall, so people will rightly discount her.

Out of the potential returning players, Hayden hasn't excelled at anything. Tina has been worthless. Laura has actually fought really hard to stay in the game, and I think she deserves to win based on that, but people didn't really like her, and being out of the game for so long is something that works very much against you in terms of forming bonds with people that will score you a jury vote. Nobody from that position can do well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on December 12, 2013, 07:12:34 AM
And I was all set to discuss High On You.   :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2013, 07:14:06 AM
Set enough to discuss it here, even.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 12, 2013, 09:22:58 AM
I've been saying for weeks now that Tyson is getting the "winner's edit," and I am feeling pretty smart now. :biggrin:  I don't see any way he doesn't win.

After the person from RI comes back, he can use his idol to ensure that he gets to the final four.

And once it gets to the final four of Tyson, Gervace, Monica, and Laura, Hayden, Tina or Ciera, unless that person wins immunity, no way do any of the three flip on each other, since if any of those in italics there gets to the final three, they are too well-liked by the jury to not win, and the alliance of three know this.  If by chance that person did win immunity, I think they'd all vote Monica out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 12, 2013, 09:27:47 AM
Also, I don't know why Tyson and Gervase didn't hammer the following point home to Monica:

If you side with them today and vote one of us out, then whoever comes back from RI, most likely Laura, who Ciera will side with over you, is going to be their new #3.  Not you.  They'll never take you to the end.  We will.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 15, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
No surprise really. I think we all knew Tyson was going to get it. I was pulling for Monica to get the upset at the end though. If she would have made one of those moves....maybe. Tyson took a page out of Boston Robs play book and won it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 15, 2013, 08:59:58 PM
Horrible sad news for Tina and Katie! Son/brother dying in a car accident weeks ago. Man, just sad.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 16, 2013, 12:42:54 AM
Predictable ending, but I'm happy with the result! Tyson played a great game, and deserved the win. Nobody else had a chance against him, so it was always going to be a landslide vote.

I haven't watched the reunion show yet.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 16, 2013, 07:01:55 AM
Very pleased with how it turned out.  Jury didn't act all bitter and pissed off as they have tended to be in recent seasons.  I was ready for final TC to be some sort of a bloodbath, like always, but it was fairly tame, actually.  Tyson nailed it.  There were a couple of times I thought he was a goner, but he made it.  Although at the end, I thought there was a good possibility that Monica's emotional appeals might have gotten to the jury members.  Glad to see they were able to look past that.  And Gervase, going on the "Tyson is the face of the company, but I'm the worker who makes the company do what it does" angle was nonsense.  Nobody ever seems to believe that.  "I made all the moves and let the other person take all the heat".  No, you didn't.  So yeah, there is no way either of the other two would've deserved to win it.

On to next season!  Looks like it's going to be all new players.  Brawn.  Brains.  Beauty.  Awesome.  A little info: Link (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_cagayan/2013_Dec_15_twist-cast-spoilers-three-tribes)  Filmed in the same Phillipines location as BvW.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 16, 2013, 10:23:26 AM
Good for Tyson, he deserved every vote from the jury. Although I liked Vytas during the game, it seemed awfully petty of him to not be able to put his pride aside and vote for the most deserving player.

I hope the new characters are interesting for next season. Not entirely sure what I think about the concept of Brains vs Brawns vs Beauty though, given that beauty isn't really a significant advantage in Survivor. Hopefully they are at least moderately intelligent, in which case it shouldn't be a big problem. I expect myself to be cheering for the brains , though hopefully it'll be more interesting than that.

Also, anyone else think they'll pull out something special for the 15th anniversary/Season 30? I myself would like to see an all-winners season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 16, 2013, 10:25:29 AM
That would be pretty cool.

Also, BvBvB was filmed (already wrapped) in the Cagayan province of the Phillippines, where BvW was filmed.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 23, 2014, 11:12:09 AM
BvBvB cast announced!

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_cagayan/2014_Jan_22_cast
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
lol Cliff Robinson

What do I know, he may do pretty well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on January 23, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
When is the premiere? I fully expect to be cheering for the brains this season, but I'd like to be proven wrong by a couple players from the other tribes. Also, am I correct in thinking that there will be no redemption island this season?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 23, 2014, 03:27:32 PM
Premiere is February 26th. No word in RI yet.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
I thought I'd read there would be no RI this time.

For some reason I wasn't too impressed initially with their Brains or Beauty tribes. I think I was just expecting a more narrow selection there, while they've covered a wider variety of attributes.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 26, 2014, 07:14:43 AM
Let's bump this, tonight's the night!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 26, 2014, 07:20:03 AM
:metal I knew it must have been soon, but I didn't know the date, so that's a nice surprise. Can't wait!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2014, 08:38:25 AM
Looking forward to it.  Amazing Race started on Sunday and I couldn't be happier with the team that was eliminated first.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2014, 10:17:27 AM
I bought two spots in the office pool again, winner takes home $100. My randomly drawn players are both from the 'Beauty' tribe.....some dude named 'LJ' and a chic named 'Morgan'. We will see if luck is on my side.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2014, 10:24:25 AM
I hope you win.  Morgan is an ex-cheerleader with a glorious rack:

Cast bikini pic (https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/photos/1001117/survivor-cagayan-cast/48463/)

Possibly questionable for work, depending on the uptightness of your workplace.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 26, 2014, 10:36:29 AM
Nice. :tup :tup

But the odds are strong that she'll look a lot less attractive once she opens her mouth. :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2014, 10:38:10 AM
I hope you win.  Morgan is an ex-cheerleader with a glorious rack:

Thanks...It'd be nice to pocket $80 for spending $20. It's always the luck of the draw though...

Morgan definitely won't be difficult to watch, that's for sure. But she's got the look of one of those chics who will be one of two players. She's eliminated near immediately or she makes it to the final four or five doing absolutely nothing. I just hope the new three tribe format gives us something fresh and that if there are immunity idols the clues aren't "go look under the only blue rock you can see by the water well"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Her strategy is to align with those middle of the pack floaters that somehow manage to stay under the radar.  She quit cheerleading because it was more important to focus on her college education than to have fun being a cheerleader for the 49ers (she was selected for their squad while still in high school).  Not sure if that was brilliant thinking or severely misguided.  :lol

Nice. :tup :tup

But the odds are strong that she'll look a lot less attractive once she opens her mouth. :lol :lol

:rollin  Indeed.  From her bio page:

Quote
Reason for Being on SURVIVOR: The chance to experience a once in a lifetime journey and to show everyone that just because I have huge boobs and a pretty face does not mean I am dumb, it just means I look better when I am winning.

Do You Consider Yourself a Brain, a Beauty or a Brawn? I consider myself all three but if I have to pick, I would pick Beauty. Who wouldn't want to be beautiful? When you are beautiful you get what you want and I like getting what I want.

Who Do You Think Has the Best Chance in the Game of Survivor: Brains, Beauty or Brawn? Most people would assume the Brain and Brawn would have the best chance but I think Beauty actually has the best chance. Usually if you are beautiful you have a great body which is "brawn." Also, most people who are beautiful have a stereotype of being dumb. Beauties could fly under the radar as a non-threat because they are stereotypically dumb and weak. I'm rooting for the beauties.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 26, 2014, 10:47:50 AM
Oh my. :facepalm:  She'll likely not last long and then play the "People were jealous of me and considered me a threat, which is why they voted me out" card. :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2014, 10:51:01 AM
 :(  I want the $10 I paid for her back.......
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 26, 2014, 10:51:56 AM
:(  I want the $10 I paid for her back.......

That's probably not something said about her very often...

;) :P
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2014, 11:12:27 AM
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Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2014, 11:16:53 AM
Also, Tyler Perry's "Tyler Perry Survivor Immunity Idol" makes appearance on Tyler Perry's "Tyler Perry Survivor", coincidentally not starring Tyler Perry's "Tyler Perry".

Tyler Perry.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_cagayan/2014_Feb_25_tyler-perry-idol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2014, 11:30:01 AM
:(  I want the $10 I paid for her back.......

That's probably not something said about her very often...

;) :P

 :lol No kidding.....it's probably more like "please don't cash that check until I get paid on Friday"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 26, 2014, 11:42:50 AM
 :lol Yeah, gmiller, I don't think you're chances are all that great on her. Hopefully the other one is more promising. I myself will be cheering for the brains, I suspect.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
Brains tribe? That was probably two of the worst elimination decisions I've ever witnessed. Let alone horrid immunity challenge efforts. I'll be shocked if that Brain tribe wins a single challenge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 27, 2014, 04:41:01 AM
Brains tribe? That was probably two of the worst elimination decisions I've ever witnessed. Let alone horrid immunity challenge efforts. I'll be shocked if that Brain tribe wins a single challenge.

This! :facepalm:
I liked that first guy they voted off too. And I don't understand their voting decision at all on the second one. On both votes, T'Pau or whatever her name is should have been a no brainer (no pun intended). She's an unstable idiot who undeniably blew that challenge for them and got rid of all their food, then they vote out the guy who was clearly their best chance of avoiding a losing streak. They're probably going to keep losing and end up being dissolved into the other tribes now, and they'll deserve it.

I had trouble even remembering what tribes were supposed to be what, because there were a lot of people who looked like they were in the wrong tribes. Not Boobs McGee however. She was quite alright despite being a bit of a self centered bitch. But I'm ok with that for a couple of reasons...... :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 27, 2014, 07:00:15 AM
:facepalm: is right.

Holy crap that was some of the worst gameplay I think I have ever seen on Survivor.  Seirously.  The whole time T'Pau (I will, as well, be calling heer that form now on) was trying to do the puzzle, I'm incredulous.  She'd grab one piece, try to jam it in somewhere without moving the pieces attached to the table, fail, and move to another piece.  Instead of working with ONE piece and moving the surrounding pieces til it fit.  Nuclear engineer, my ass.  That was just painfully pathetic to watch.  They were MILES ahead in the challenge and there is zero excuse for not having won it.  She is poison.  Take NaOnka Mixon from Nicaragua and combine her with Brandon Hantz and you've got T'Pau.  Wow.  I can totally see this team losing every following challenges until they have to dissolve them.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 27, 2014, 07:37:26 AM
She was quite alright despite being a bit of a self centered bitch. But I'm ok with that for a couple of reasons...... :lol

Two REALLY BIG reasons......... :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 05, 2014, 11:29:10 PM
The brains tribe continues to embarrassingly suck, but somehow they managed to finish the puzzle and not lose, so at least it's not too lop-sided yet.

Highlight of the episode was Boobs McGee getting the water thrown all over her at the challenge. Enough said.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 06, 2014, 06:24:13 AM
I was utterly shocked that they pulled it out.  I thought for sure that T'Pau was gonna disappear this week.  Then for all the practicing that was insisted upon, they came in dead last in that part of the challenge.

Co-highlight of the episode - After the Beauty Tribe's ball dropped, her running around to the other side to grab it.

:cozmo2::cozmo2:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 06, 2014, 06:28:11 AM
I was utterly shocked that they pulled it out.  I thought for sure that T'Pau was gonna disappear this week.  Then for all the practicing that was insisted upon, they came in dead last in that part of the challenge.

It was downright painful to see how bad they sucked at that part. It was funny when the last girl ended up with so little water from the throw that she didn't even bother running up to pour it in to the bucket.

Co-highlight of the episode - After the Beauty Tribe's ball dropped, her running around to the other side to grab it.

:cozmo2::cozmo2:

This is why I'm glad I have the show recorded rather than watching it when it airs live.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 06, 2014, 10:33:19 PM
I bought two spots in the office pool again, winner takes home $100. My randomly drawn players are both from the 'Beauty' tribe.....some dude named 'LJ' and a chic named 'Morgan'. We will see if luck is on my side.

It actually looks like he could be a strong player. I'm hoping he can make it to the merge at least. He seems to not be a total idiot either.

I'm not a fan of horrible black tattoo cop either. He's an a$$
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2014, 05:17:03 AM
OK, finally got to watch the first couple of episodes.  Not sure there is anyone I really like yet.  Well, maybe.

:cozmo2: :cozmo2:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 12, 2014, 09:18:22 PM
Really, y'all? I can't help but feel that those are too big.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 12, 2014, 09:22:50 PM
Fail.

Good riddance, T'Pau. Useless.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 12, 2014, 09:28:27 PM
Fail.

Good riddance, T'Pau. Useless.

Think of how different that tribe and this season would be had they just done the correct ans smart thing the first tribal and voted her out then? She was useless and I question which definition of 'brains' CBS used to separate the cast because if anything the beauty team has been the most intelligent and strong (in challenges)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 12, 2014, 10:31:17 PM
Anyone else find that reward challenge hard to watch? Ouch! :lol

The Brains tribe made the right call in tribal (for a change). Spencer was 100% carrying that tribe in the immunity challenge, but even with the brawn tribe throwing the challenge, brains still managed to lose. About time they got rid of T'Pau.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: tapsmiled on March 13, 2014, 06:35:00 PM
Really, y'all? I can't help but feel that those are too big.

No. Not by a mile. They look glorious.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 13, 2014, 06:38:52 PM
Anyone else find that reward challenge hard to watch? Ouch! :lol

The Brains tribe made the right call in tribal (for a change). Spencer was 100% carrying that tribe in the immunity challenge, but even with the brawn tribe throwing the challenge, brains still managed to lose. About time they got rid of T'Pau.

Yep.  They have a "Dream Team" that goes through and tests the entire challenge before unleashing it on the actual Survivors.  They knew damn good and well what it had the potential to do to them.  Probst acting all "Whoa, it coincidentally just nailed such and such in the nuts!" was no accident.

Really, y'all? I can't help but feel that those are too big.

No. Not by a mile. They look glorious.

^This guy knows where it's at.  Would be a lot hotter if he was a chick and I could say "This chick knows big boobies are where it's at".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 16, 2014, 04:31:34 AM
Really, y'all? I can't help but feel that those are too big.
No, those are great.  I've seen too big, but those aren't it.

And this brains tribe is just awful.

BTW, the brawn tribe attempting to throw the competition?  Not a good idea.  Nothing good can come from that. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 16, 2014, 07:44:50 AM
Really, y'all? I can't help but feel that those are too big.
No, those are great.  I've seen too big, but those aren't it.

And this brains tribe is just awful.

BTW, the brawn tribe attempting to throw the competition?  Not a good idea.  Nothing good can come from that.

1. They are nice cuz they are natural

2.  Kass and Spencer are the only two that are even remotely intelligent on that tribe. Calling that tribe 'the brains' was comical, especially since the beauty tribe has displayed way more intelligence than they have.

3. I agree with you Hef.....it has NEVER worked out for good for a tribe when they threw it. I'm curious to see if Cliff picked up on it or not.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 16, 2014, 02:22:23 PM
Agreed on throwing the challenge, how stupid. At this point in the game, knowing that a merge is likely on the horizon, it would make more sense for them to try to draw Cliff and the other chick in to an all-brawn alliance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Milzinga on March 17, 2014, 12:54:19 AM
Agreed on throwing the challenge, how stupid. At this point in the game, knowing that a merge is likely on the horizon, it would make more sense for them to try to draw Cliff and the other chick in to an all-brawn alliance.

Thank you!! I was practically yelling at the screen when she said to throw the challenge!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 12:02:34 AM
It was weird how little the teams seemed to change.
That reward challenge was amusing. Nobody was going to move a tree like Cliff. When they put him in twice? No chance! :lol Both good new challenges this week too.

Highlight of the episode - Boobs Mcgee digging down into her cleavage. Those editors knew what they were doing. Honorable mention to her pinning the other girl in the reward challenge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 20, 2014, 06:18:53 PM
That was either extremely ballsy or just plain dumb on LJ's part to not play his idol. It worked out for him (and me) that he didn't have to use it but I thought for sure he was going to be the next member of the 'got voted off with an idol in my pocket' club.

Morgan.....yeah...ummm.....yeah....what BVD said.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Milzinga on March 22, 2014, 12:02:19 AM
That was either extremely ballsy or just plain dumb on LJ's part to not play his idol. It worked out for him (and me) that he didn't have to use it but I thought for sure he was going to be the next member of the 'got voted off with an idol in my pocket' club.

Morgan.....yeah...ummm.....yeah....what BVD said.

I liked Cliff, I was hoping they'd get rid of Trish, she is really annoying to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 26, 2014, 11:54:29 PM
Lindsay quit over that? Lame. I never liked her anyway, so good riddance.

A familiar reward challenge, one that I liked. This time only one person did the old trick of throwing your own statue into the air and knocking the other person's down before yours comes back. Last time they all caught onto that after the first time, and it was successful more often than not.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 28, 2014, 07:37:10 PM
Lindsay quit over that? Lame. I never liked her anyway, so good riddance.

A familiar reward challenge, one that I liked. This time only one person did the old trick of throwing your own statue into the air and knocking the other person's down before yours comes back. Last time they all caught onto that after the first time, and it was successful more often than not.

Yeah, it's annoying when people quit this show. All the people who'd love to get the chance to play and you go and quit....and like you said, she quit over nothing at all.

My office pool pick LJ is still hanging strong, and Morgan is still around also although I doubt she would win even if she made final 3. With the merge next week I really like LJs odds on going deep because I think he can win some individual immunities and he has an idol.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 31, 2014, 09:41:23 AM
I hate that anyone would quit, ever, but if someone had to, I'm OK with it being her.  She was completely annoying.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 02, 2014, 09:24:42 PM
That was one of the cooler episodes of Survivor I can recall from recent memory. You got the sense from the way they edited the show that the entire time Sarah was making herself out to be so important that she was going to end up getting voted off.

It's a bummer that LJ and the cop had to burn their idols but in reality the vote should have been for one of those two. Sarah had a great point in you'd want to eliminate the strong challenge AND strategic players first....and going for the chic with that vote was just dumb IMO.

BTW....that Kass chic looks EXACTLY like my sister in law....I mean almost identical. It's so strange to watch because of how closely she resembles her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 03, 2014, 12:24:36 AM
I thought the episode was kind of average until that tribal council! One of the best tribals this season.

I agree it's a shame that LJ and Tony used up their idols when they didn't need to, but they did seem like obvious choices for the other tribe, rather than taking out an easy lower member for numbers.
The fallout from that next week will be very interesting.

Any guesses on the "different powers" of this new idol? I have a suspicion it might not all be in favour of the person who finds it. It wouldn't surprise me if it had some catch, like you can only use it for another person, or that it can be used for yourself and another person at the same tribal, or that it has to be public, or it's used in a different way, or something like that. I don't think it can gain a lot of extra power specifically for the person who finds it. That would be too powerful.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 03, 2014, 06:44:21 AM
Excellent tribal council.  Bummed that those guys didn't need to use their idols.  Had either of them been voted for, it would have been a ridiculously spectacular event.  It was awesome anyway, but that would have put it completely over the top.  Why in God's name they were so damned dead set on voting Jefra out, I have no idea.  She is not a threat by any stretch of the imagination.  Sarah knew this, that's why she kept arguing the point.  Just doesn't make sense to me.  But the look on Sarah's face when the final vote was read - PRICELESS.  She looked like you 'd just slapped her in the face with a mackerel.  :lol

As to the special power idol, read about it here:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_cagayan/2014_Feb_25_tyler-perry-idol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 05, 2014, 07:07:48 AM
I don't get why LJ even played his idol.  That was dumb.  He was safe.  Is he forgetting that it's an individual game?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 05, 2014, 07:17:47 AM
I don't get why LJ even played his idol.  That was dumb.  He was safe.  Is he forgetting that it's an individual game?

I think he was feeling guilt of having Tony play his idol for him, when it was very possible Tony was going home, and LJ already had an idol. Strategically it was a dumb move, so I think it was purely guilt.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 05, 2014, 08:03:34 AM
Guilt?  This is Survivor!

I hope he loses.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Milzinga on April 07, 2014, 02:05:35 PM
I thought the episode was kind of average until that tribal council! One of the best tribals this season.

I agree it's a shame that LJ and Tony used up their idols when they didn't need to, but they did seem like obvious choices for the other tribe, rather than taking out an easy lower member for numbers.
The fallout from that next week will be very interesting.

Any guesses on the "different powers" of this new idol? I have a suspicion it might not all be in favour of the person who finds it. It wouldn't surprise me if it had some catch, like you can only use it for another person, or that it can be used for yourself and another person at the same tribal, or that it has to be public, or it's used in a different way, or something like that. I don't think it can gain a lot of extra power specifically for the person who finds it. That would be too powerful.

My thought is that the idol can be played after the votes are read. Like if you get voted out, you can use it to save yourself or someone else after the fact. That'd be crazy.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 07, 2014, 02:07:58 PM
As to the special power idol, read about it here:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_cagayan/2014_Feb_25_tyler-perry-idol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 09, 2014, 10:52:49 PM
Good episode tonight. That idol hunt was crazy, and Spencer was lucky to pull that off with everyone else searching at the same time. I'm glad he didn't waste it on anyone else at tribal.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 10, 2014, 07:27:17 AM
Good episode tonight. That idol hunt was crazy, and Spencer was lucky to pull that off with everyone else searching at the same time. I'm glad he didn't waste it on anyone else at tribal.

No kidding. I find it annoying when people do that....like what was discussed earlier when LJ did it out of apparent guilt or honor. Just a dumb move IMO...but then again had that tribe been thinking 'correctly' LJ and the cop should have been targets 1 & 2.

It was odd they voted out Morgan who like they pointed out was not a threat on any level. I'd have voted out Tasha or Jeremiah...but oh well. As long as LJ remains I continue to have a shot at the office pool which I believe was up to $180. I need him to win an individual immunity or two....hope the next challenge is a puzzle challenge because he's been smoking everyone in those.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 10, 2014, 08:26:28 AM
The set design department is gonna have to pull double duty to make anybody else but Jefra contribute to the "eye-candy" part of Survivor.

I think that the idol Spencer found was just a regular every day idol.  I don't think that was the special power idol.

Tony is a douche.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 10, 2014, 08:41:07 AM
I think that the idol Spencer found was just a regular every day idol.  I don't think that was the special power idol.

He said it was a normal idol upon reading the note, which means there are multiple idols. Not sure whether they'll be giving out clues to the special one, or maybe they'll have to buy the clue to that one in the obligatory food challenge. :P
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 10, 2014, 08:43:34 AM
The set design department is gonna have to pull double duty to make anybody else but Jefra contribute to the "eye-candy" part of Survivor.

I think that the idol Spencer found was just a regular every day idol.  I don't think that was the special power idol.

Tony is a douche.

I agree on all of these statments. Actually, Spencer did read it aloud and the last sentence said "this is a regular idol". They've presented the previews in such a way that makes it appear that Tony will be the first in line to go all paranoid crazy....that' should be entertaining.

I did think though that the whole sequence of Spencer stripping down to find the idol then folding up the clue in his pants....then Woo grabbing his pants was a bit contrived and looked to be very staged IMO. I'm under no illusion that the situations we see them in on television aren't heavily influenced by producers 'suggesting' them to act in a certain manner. There's just no way you leave a clue to an idol out like that, especially when you've already read it and know where to look.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2014, 05:41:05 AM
I am now rooting for everyone on the "leading" alliance to lose.  Voting out Boobs McGhee was the worst possible move.  She's the kind of player you want to keep around as long as possible, because there is little, if any, chance of her actually winning.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: jcmistat on April 14, 2014, 01:18:48 AM
I am now rooting for everyone on the "leading" alliance to lose.  Voting out Boobs McGhee was the worst possible move.  She's the kind of player you want to keep around as long as possible, because there is little, if any, chance of her actually winning.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.


I agree it was a bad strategy. Some reason I decided to watch this season after not watching since Gabon and then years before that but I'm enjoying it. Anyone else think that the last immunity challenge was insane? I don't think I could stand on my toes for 90 minutes and keep that block balanced like Spencer did.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 14, 2014, 07:21:07 AM
Hell, no.  That HAD to be painful.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2014, 07:44:50 PM
Dang. Thought I had a shot at the office pool with LJ.  :'(  as if Tony weren't annoying enough...now I really don't like him. And Wu....can he form a thought of his own or does he need others to do so for him. How gullible can you be?

Oh well. The longer he lasts the more I'm liking Spencer to win it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 16, 2014, 10:18:33 PM
I've really liked Tony from the start. If he can manipulate people that easily, they don't deserve to win. :lol

But I'd also really like Spencer to win it. He was the best from the Brains tribe, and he's playing a good game so far.

I like Wu, but he has far too much trust in Tony. He needs to get away from Tony at some point if he has a chance of winning.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 17, 2014, 07:40:31 AM
I've really liked Tony from the start. If he can manipulate people that easily, they don't deserve to win. :lol

But I'd also really like Spencer to win it. He was the best from the Brains tribe, and he's playing a good game so far.

I like Wu, but he has far too much trust in Tony. He needs to get away from Tony at some point if he has a chance of winning.

Tony is playing a 'good' game of Survivor....but I think he's entering the stage where he's going to burn a lot of bridges and lose votes. Random blind sides and taking people out on your alliance over and over just doesn't win the game.


Anyone watch the Ponderosa episodes? I'm thinking Sarah really liked it when Morgan showed up....I mean, like she was really looking forward to it if you know what i mean  :o  ;)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 17, 2014, 07:47:22 AM
I've really liked Tony from the start. If he can manipulate people that easily, they don't deserve to win. :lol

But I'd also really like Spencer to win it. He was the best from the Brains tribe, and he's playing a good game so far.

I like Wu, but he has far too much trust in Tony. He needs to get away from Tony at some point if he has a chance of winning.

Tony is playing a 'good' game of Survivor....but I think he's entering the stage where he's going to burn a lot of bridges and lose votes. Random blind sides and taking people out on your alliance over and over just doesn't win the game.


You're right. He's playing to get to the final 3, but not to win. Russell Hantz had the same problem. I still hope he gets far though, because I think he's entertaining.

And damn, I always forget about the Ponderosa episodes at this stage. I always like those.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 23, 2014, 10:36:26 PM
It's a shame Spencer played his idol when he didn't need to, because things are getting tougher for him now, and I'd like to see him go all the way to the end. I know I'm probably alone on this, but I like Tony, so I was hoping he'd find the special idol.

I'm surprised all of those cameras didn't give away Tony's position while he was spying on the girls. It makes me wonder sometimes. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2014, 04:47:15 AM
I know I'm probably alone on this, but I like Tony, so I was hoping he'd find the special idol.
Yeah, probably.

But why in the world did he bring it out at tribal council, and then claim that it was a fake idol?  He's an idiot.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
I'm so glad Spencer managed to hang in there. I really thought that last vote was gonna be for him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 01, 2014, 06:48:20 AM
Tony is turning into Russell:

He walks into the woods or the beach, to find a giant neon sign pointing to the ground saying "HEY TONY, THE IDOL IS BURIED HERE, RIGHT HERE, DIG BETWEEN THESE TWO EXPOSED ROOTS!"

Good strategist, but he'll have pissed off so many people that if he gets to the finals, sour grapes will lose it for him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 01, 2014, 07:10:46 AM
Um, he paid for a clue to the idol, then spent time searching for the right spot, and then and found the idol. Not really a shocker.

Speaking of which, I'm surprised how cheap they all got their food in this challenge. Nobody paid full price for anything, a lot of it under $100. I think that's unprecedented. An interesting approach to multiple people wanting the idol clue this time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 01, 2014, 07:19:08 AM
I know. He found the previous one pretty easily if I remember right. He's gotten very lucky with advantage. While I recognize that this is just dumb luck on his part, I guarantee that if I were to check out any Survivor forums, countless people are screaming "FIX". Can't say I'm a big fan of Tony, anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 01, 2014, 07:25:46 AM
It's also hard to judge things as a viewer when you're seeing an edit that shows you events in an interesting way that tells the story of the episode, so it makes things look more convenient than they are. He seemed to spend a while before even finding the right tree, and they can't spend half an hour showing his digging around.

I have seen things in the show, including this season, that do seem a bit convenient or planned, but we don't see everything that goes on either, so who can say one way or the other. It's reality TV, so you have to assume that there's at least a little bit of bending going on for entertainment.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 01, 2014, 07:28:50 AM
Oh yeah, I get that. I'm saying kinda the same thing. When things look kinda too convenient, they have to expect people to scratch their heads a little.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 01, 2014, 07:35:13 AM
Once you take out time for the necessities such as the aftermath from the previous tribal, the reward challenge, the immunity challenge, the conversations at camp, then tribal council, that doesn't leave a huge amount of time to dedicate to any other one particular thing.
Seeing people find a hidden immunity idol always looks convenient, especially if they are in the situation where they appear to need it that badly.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Milzinga on May 02, 2014, 12:43:13 AM
Bummed about Jefra, I really liked her and wanted her to do well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2014, 09:27:43 AM
Bummed about Jefra, I really liked her and wanted her to do well.
Funny, I thought she was an idiot and was way past time to go.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 02, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
hefdaddy42:  Telling it like it is since 1972.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 02, 2014, 09:32:07 AM
Jefra's the kind of person they only keep around for easy alliance numbers, being no threat at all in challenges or strategically, and being a surefire loser for the final vote.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2014, 09:34:50 AM
hefdaddy42:  Telling it like it is since 1972.
*bows with a flourish*
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
Once you take out time for the necessities such as the aftermath from the previous tribal, the reward challenge, the immunity challenge, the conversations at camp, then tribal council, that doesn't leave a huge amount of time to dedicate to any other one particular thing.
Seeing people find a hidden immunity idol always looks convenient, especially if they are in the situation where they appear to need it that badly.

One of the quick interviews with him he said "I finally found the idol" so I'd imagine he looked for that for some time, possibly over a day. I think he's burned too many bridges to win even if he gets to the end unless they buy his "I played the game and eliminated the threats as I had too" schtick he will try to sell.

At this point if either Tasha or Spencer make it to the end they'd win IMO. If they both make it I'd go Tasha, although I imagine Spencer will have a Cochran-esk type appeal to the Jury, well worded and thought out. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 03, 2014, 04:57:53 AM
I think he's burned too many bridges to win even if he gets to the end unless they buy his "I played the game and eliminated the threats as I had too" schtick he will try to sell.
I think there is some validity to that POV, but he is just too much of an asshole in going about it.  He isn't quite as much of a villain as Russell was, but it will end up the same - for him to get to the end, he will have pissed off everyone else.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 03, 2014, 09:07:35 AM
I think he's burned too many bridges to win even if he gets to the end unless they buy his "I played the game and eliminated the threats as I had too" schtick he will try to sell.
I think there is some validity to that POV, but he is just too much of an asshole in going about it.  He isn't quite as much of a villain as Russell was, but it will end up the same - for him to get to the end, he will have pissed off everyone else.

Yeah, that's about how I see it. There is a more tactful and "gentle" approach you have to take to use that reasoning in the end. Ala Boston Rob.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 14, 2014, 11:39:03 PM
A bit of a crazy episode for things falling apart. I was hoping Trish would go, so that was a good result. I'd be fine to see any of the remaining people win at this point.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2014, 07:52:40 AM
I'm pulling for Spencer, and I think if he can get to that final group he will win unanimously. Tony can make a strong case about the way he's played bu if Spencer's there I think he can make a stronger one. Woo's been along for the ride but he's likable and well, Kass IMO wouldn't get one vote from the jury.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 15, 2014, 07:58:14 AM
As irritated as I have been at Tony, I'm now even more irritated at Kass.  I'm actually now okay with Tony winning.  It isn't like he hasn't really earned it.  Not to say that the others haven't, but he definitely seems to have busted butt to make all the right moves so far.  And he's been pretty good at keeping others from making moves against him.  If he doesn't win immunity next week, I think he's out.  Kass going to final three will be nauseating.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2014, 08:11:58 AM
As irritated as I have been at Tony, I'm now even more irritated at Kass.  I'm actually now okay with Tony winning.  It isn't like he hasn't really earned it.  Not to say that the others haven't, but he definitely seems to have busted butt to make all the right moves so far.  And he's been pretty good at keeping others from making moves against him.  If he doesn't win immunity next week, I think he's out.  Kass going to final three will be nauseating.

Well you know she's going so have a bucket with you to hurl in when you're watching....you'd be dumb not to want her there. It'd essentially give you a 50/50 shot at a million bucks because I really can't see her getting a single vote.

Yeah, I wouldn't be bummed if Tony won it. Like you said, he's been working the hardest in this game to get that money for his family. And despite the couple blind sides and his tactics....it's not like he's been overly ignorant or annoying about it. He's actually been pretty straight forward. Blind sides have to happen in order to win the game and he's been on the good end of them. I think if he makes it to the end he should be able to craft a good speech and presentation on why he should win.

But I also think that if Spencer is there with him that Spencer would have a better chance of getting the votes because if he did it right....he could have an even better presentation of why he should win. And for as nice and likable as Woo is I just don't see him being able to back up any sort of justification for him to be awarded a million bucks....he's just 'been there', done really nothing.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 15, 2014, 08:15:23 AM
I should have ammended that to indicate that Kass going to the final three in lieu of Tony would be nauseating.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2014, 08:19:23 AM
I should have ammended that to indicate that Kass going to the final three in lieu of Tony would be nauseating.  :lol

Yep...at this point it'd almost seem like cruel and unusual punishment if Tony didn't make the final three. He's worked so hard at it. But you can bet that if he doesn't win immunity that there's a very good chance he'd be voted out. Unelss they buy the whole "this special idol can be played still" schtick.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 15, 2014, 08:24:39 AM
And if they DO buy it, then they all deserve to lose.  He has a very strategic mind.  No doubt time spent being a cop has instilled in him a healthy dose of paranoia and distrust of others, so he's always trying to look at all the angles.

I'd be curious who Tony would vote for, if he did end up on the jury.  I would have to assume Woo, just out of loyalty, but who knows?  He could very well vote for Spencer for pulling out the wins when he needed to.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 15, 2014, 08:26:39 AM
I should have ammended that to indicate that Kass going to the final three in lieu of Tony would be nauseating.  :lol

Yep...at this point it'd almost seem like cruel and unusual punishment if Tony didn't make the final three. He's worked so hard at it. But you can bet that if he doesn't win immunity that there's a very good chance he'd be voted out. Unelss they buy the whole "this special idol can be played still" schtick.

They often doubt his bold claims of idols etc, but they also never seem to call his bluff on it. Maybe they will this time, because I think they'll want him out, regardless of any strategy of thinking they'll win votes against him. This could be the time he really needs to win immunity.

I don't think Kass would get any votes, and she's the only one I wouldn't want to win. Even though Woo hasn't pissed off anyone, he's a wishy washy player who has mostly stuck to Tony and hasn't had any real strategy, so I can't see him winning.
It has to be Spencer or Tony, depending on who makes it to the final 3. Tony has played harder, but Spencer has probably played the better all around game when you factor in the social aspect, and he's still done well in challenges too.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Arry on May 15, 2014, 02:39:27 PM
I would love to see a spin off show of the jury. Put the jury in a house, shoot it like a reality show. Be cool to hear the conversations around the way the votes going down...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2014, 03:24:39 PM
I would love to see a spin off show of the jury. Put the jury in a house, shoot it like a reality show. Be cool to hear the conversations around the way the votes going down...

They do have the 'Ponderosa' episodes online that show them at the resort they're staying at in the meantime. Shows them arrive and a lot of the banter back and forth.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Arry on May 15, 2014, 03:55:03 PM
I did not know that...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2014, 05:15:47 PM
I did not know that...

They are pretty neat. Although I doubt any will beat the All Star season when Coach and a bunch of the younger players formed a 'band' while playing 'Rock Band'....it was pretty funny.

Most of it is them going on local excursions and eating a TON of fantastic looking food. You should check them out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Arry on May 15, 2014, 05:36:48 PM
Sweet. Ill check them out... :metal
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 15, 2014, 06:35:22 PM
I did not know that...

They are pretty neat. Although I doubt any will beat the All Star season when Coach and a bunch of the younger players formed a 'band' while playing 'Rock Band'....it was pretty funny.

Most of it is them going on local excursions and eating a TON of fantastic looking food. You should check them out.

Oh hell, now that, I gotta see.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2014, 07:49:33 PM
I did not know that...

They are pretty neat. Although I doubt any will beat the All Star season when Coach and a bunch of the younger players formed a 'band' while playing 'Rock Band'....it was pretty funny.

Most of it is them going on local excursions and eating a TON of fantastic looking food. You should check them out.

Oh hell, now that, I gotta see.

Compared to years past....this years Ponderosa episodes are rather tame and straight forward. Prior seasons seemed to have more interesting content. Not that this seasons is bad....but there have been more entertaining seasons.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2014, 06:58:35 AM
I did not know that...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 22, 2014, 12:48:20 AM
Very happy with the outcome. I would have loved to see Spencer win it, but after he got voted out, I was going for Tony all the way.
I was absolutely shocked that Woo voted out Kass. He didn't deserve to win after that move. In the final tribal council, his answers seemed very surface level, and not really winning over the jury. It was only Tony's game to lose at that point, not Woo's to win.

I wonder if they'll stick to a final 2 from now on. It's always a two horse race at best anyway, and this way gives them an extra chance to win their way to the final two via a challenge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 22, 2014, 06:59:06 AM
Haven't had a final 2 since Tocantins.  Quite pleased with how it played out.  For a long time, Tony irritated me.  In the last few weeks, I couldn't help but want him to win.  The dude earned it, big time.  And Even more amazing is the ridiculous toll it takes on your body.  The filming for Cagayn ended in August 2013.  Tony said he's STILL having trouble putting on muscle at the gym.  Also, and I believe I'd read this somewhere before, it has to be difficult going back to real life afterwards.  When you spend that long looking over your shoulder every second and mistrusting every person and every word said to you, and spending so much time just playing every single possible scenario in your head, it has to make it difficult to trust people or relax once you get home.

The next two seasons will be in Nicaragua and will feature all new contestants:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_30/2014_May_21_probst-cast-new-players
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 22, 2014, 07:06:01 AM
I was wondering if it was going to be all new players, since it's the Blood vs Water format again. I'll be glad for them to continue using new players for a while, and then when they finally bring back some returning players for a season, they'll have plenty to choose from.
And I loved the dynamics of having a family member on the opposing tribe, so I'll enjoy seeing that concept again with new players. It had a lot of interesting repercussions that weren't instantly obvious.

There seemed to be a few notable differences this season. Aside from returning to a final 2, I didn't notice an audience voted favourite player, they didn't do the ritual of going through past players (although I'm not sure they did that the last season or two either), and they brought in the player's families later on, and didn't do a family challenge with the scumbag family visit reward. Maybe they realized how cheap it was. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 22, 2014, 07:13:13 AM
Yeah, I was real happy to NOT see the usual douchebag family visit bit they pull.  It's always so cruel and awful.  This, I liked.  Also, yeah, I was surprised at no America's Favorite also.  Strange.

I was SHOCKED that Kass came back from THAT far behind and won that next to last immunity challenge.  Absolutely could not believe it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 22, 2014, 07:16:55 AM
Yeah, I was real happy to NOT see the usual douchebag family visit bit they pull.  It's always so cruel and awful.  This, I liked.  Also, yeah, I was surprised at no America's Favorite also.  Strange.

I was SHOCKED that Kass came back from THAT far behind and won that next to last immunity challenge.  Absolutely could not believe it.

Even though Woo and Tony weren't strong puzzle players, she was so far behind that I believed she had zero chance of catching up at that point, but then she did it. She was only a second away from winning the final one too. She was always good at the puzzles.
I liked Kass' comment about the one player who hasn't made a decision the entire game was now deciding her fate. And for both of their sakes, he made the wrong decision. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 22, 2014, 07:19:05 AM
Though I was pleased with his rational.  Go against the best.  There's more honor in losing against the best than potentially being beaten by someone who's not worthy.  Though he would have won against Kass.

Honor schmonor.  Gimme the money.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 22, 2014, 07:21:05 AM
Though I was pleased with his rational.  Go against the best.  There's more honor in losing against the best than potentially being beaten by someone who's not worthy.  Though he would have won against Kass.

Honor schmonor.  Gimme the money.

It seems to be a common theme that people choose the person they'd rather lose to, rather than the person they'd definitely beat, but regardless wouldn't want to win.
Maybe a month in the sun without food rots their brains or something, because I'd go with the safe bet too. Honor Shmonor!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 22, 2014, 07:22:24 AM
Did I hear somewhere that there was going to be an all-winners season coming up eventually? I know there was speculation of that on this thread at some point, but somehow I thought there had been confirmation too.

I like the return to the final two contestants. I'd been wondering why they changed that to three in the first place.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 22, 2014, 07:29:08 AM
Did I hear somewhere that there was going to be an all-winners season coming up eventually? I know there was speculation of that on this thread at some point, but somehow I thought there had been confirmation too.

I like the return to the final two contestants. I'd been wondering why they changed that to three in the first place.

Other than season 1, I haven't seen any of the seasons that had a final 2, but maybe they thought it was too obvious having a clear winner with only two? Then they might have realized that having 3 people didn't actually make it any less obvious much of the time. A complete guess though.

On one hand, a season of all winners would be interesting, because all of them have proven skills at their gameplay style to get to the end. On the other hand, a season of exclusively people who have already won a million dollars might not go down as well. It wouldn't bother me, but it seems like something people could bitch about.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 22, 2014, 07:32:03 AM
I always forget about the million dollar prize.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 22, 2014, 10:42:26 AM
I really wanted Spencer to win but like has been mentioned....once he didn't win immunity everyone there knew if he went to the final he'd win so he was a goner.

I "understand" Woo's reasoning on taking Tony but he made the classic mistake of intertwining 'real life' with that game. When you are selected to go on that game you have to abandon everything you'd "normally" do....like Tony did.....and say and do anything to win. His whole 'honor' deal has no place in Survivor becasue that Game simply does not reward those type of players.

Tony deserved the 'W' for the way he played...he fought tough for it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 22, 2014, 12:30:19 PM
Andy, from Reality Blurred, had this to say about Woo's defense of his gameplay:

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He argued that he was an “inconspicuous” and “instrumental part” of all of Tony’s big moves, but that’s like saying a cup holder is an instrumental part of a car.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_cagayan/2014_May_22_finale-tony-woo-kass-spencer
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2014, 04:55:34 AM
It was a fun season, and I was glad to see Redemption Island gone and a return to a final two.

I was rooting for Spencer, but I can't deny the game that Tony played.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 25, 2014, 06:09:40 PM
Don't get comfy regarding RI. It's coming back for BvW.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2014, 09:31:16 PM
That's fine.  But I was glad to be without it for a season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 26, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
It makes sense that they're bringing back RI for BVW2, because it added drama with the ability to trade places with your family member, and added a lot of interesting little dynamics within the game. I wouldn't be surprised if they ditch it again after BVW, because it's a special case where it adds to the game.

There are aspects of RI I like, and aspects I don't like, so I'm fine either way.
I like the finality of being voted off and that's it, but I also like it when a player I like has a second chance and has to fight each week to stay in the game. It also cuts into the time for the regular tribe stuff, so you get more combined immunity/reward challenges, which I didn't like.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 03, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
BOOM, no RI.  It's back to Exile Island for BvW2.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2014/08/survivor-exile-island-returns/

Of note, the intensely annoying Natalie and Nadiya (The Twinnies) from Amazing Race are going to be on Survivor this time around.  Please kill me now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 03, 2014, 01:35:20 PM
Oh hell yeah. They're going to be awesome! :metal
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 04, 2014, 11:43:56 AM
No.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 23, 2014, 06:31:34 AM
The premiere is tomorrow night.  Also, for anyone keeping up with the Amazing Race, it is airing on Friday nights now, so that football will no longer fuck with it.  So now I'll DVR it on Friday and watch it on Sunday and give football the finger.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 23, 2014, 06:38:26 AM
The premiere is tomorrow night.  Also, for anyone keeping up with the Amazing Race, it is airing on Friday nights now, so that football will no longer fuck with it.  So now I'll DVR it on Friday and watch it on Sunday and give football the finger.

:hat :tup

Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 23, 2014, 06:50:39 AM
No problem.  By the way, that's this Friday, 9/26 that Amazing Race starts.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 23, 2014, 07:21:30 AM
Awesome. I always remember the two shows start around the same time, so I try to look out for them both.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 24, 2014, 08:36:06 PM
Killer first episode. That immunity challenge was awesome!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 24, 2014, 09:58:05 PM
Killer first episode. That immunity challenge was awesome!

THat was by far the smartest first elimination I've seen in a while. That chic was going to be trouble for that tribe not only for the gameplay reasons that were brought up but for her (what seemed to me) abrasive and stereotypical exchanges with the gay dude.

Oh and, that was a smart move by the old man to grab that idol looking decoration at the well.

And something I've been curious about....there is always shots of large mammals in the editing and they even showed monkeys close to camp there as well. I'm curious as to why no one has ever hunted them and killed something to eat? Not that it's easy...but I'd bet any amount of money that given any of these locations I'd come back with at least a sloth or smaller ground dwelling mammal. Snares aren't difficult to make and you'd think going into Survivor these players would learn how to set some basic game trail snares.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2014, 10:27:54 PM
And something I've been curious about....there is always shots of large mammals in the editing and they even showed monkeys close to camp there as well. I'm curious as to why no one has ever hunted them and killed something to eat? Not that it's easy...but I'd bet any amount of money that given any of these locations I'd come back with at least a sloth or smaller ground dwelling mammal. Snares aren't difficult to make and you'd think going into Survivor these players would learn how to set some basic game trail snares.

There might not be as many of them around as the editing makes it appear, and also they might not be allowed to hunt certain things anyway.

Great first episode, although it sucks that Nadiya got voted off for no reason other than The Amazing Race.
There's also nobody I dislike at this stage, no clear jerks or idiots. Seems like a good group of people so far. I've never seen a season with exile island before.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2014, 06:32:09 AM
Yep, good first episode.  I also agreed with the elimination.

The previews at the end seemed pretty intense.

John Rocker's girlfriend is easy on the eyes, and probably needs to stop using a strapless top, or she is going to come right out of it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 25, 2014, 06:37:02 AM
she is coming to come right out of it.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5se1iTR0T1qz4w1go1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2014, 07:00:51 AM
lol corrected my typo
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 08, 2014, 08:30:09 PM
Even though he was one of the better physical players on his team, I'm glad they got rid of John. Voted out with an idol. lol.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 09, 2014, 06:35:55 AM
Oh, hell yes.  I assume everyone has seen the "article" that they were all referring to last night.  If not, here it is, from wiki:

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For a story published in the December 27, 1999 issue of Sports Illustrated, Rocker made a number of allegations stemming from his experiences in New York City and answering a question about whether he would ever play for the New York Yankees or the New York Mets.

I'd retire first. It's the most hectic, nerve-racking city. Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing... The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?

Then for maximum lols, check out his twitter page.  I've linked to the version that shows his posts AND his replies to others as opposed to just his stand alone posts.  It's a veritable cornucopia of fratboy douchebaggery and roid rage:

https://twitter.com/johnrockerbook/with_replies
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 09, 2014, 06:39:45 AM
Oh, hell yes.  I assume everyone has seen the "article" that they were all referring to last night.  If not, here it is, from wiki:

Quote
For a story published in the December 27, 1999 issue of Sports Illustrated, Rocker made a number of allegations stemming from his experiences in New York City and answering a question about whether he would ever play for the New York Yankees or the New York Mets.

I'd retire first. It's the most hectic, nerve-racking city. Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing... The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?

Then for maximum lols, check out his twitter page.  I've linked to the version that shows his posts AND his replies to others as opposed to just his stand alone posts.  It's a veritable cornucopia of fratboy douchebaggery and roid rage:

https://twitter.com/johnrockerbook/with_replies

I hadn't even bothered tracking down what they were referring to, since I knew it was going to be terrible.
His Twitter comments are way worse than I'd imagined. You'd think anyone of his apparent stature would have a bit more restraint than that. :facepalm: It reads like a 15 year old Youtube troll.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 09, 2014, 06:43:45 AM
Exactly.  I mean it's a complete free-for-all with this guy.  "15 year old YouTube troll" is a ridiculously accurate assessment.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 09, 2014, 07:38:27 AM
I remember when all that happened, and I was hoping that he had learned something from that whole ordeal, and felt a little bad for him that the other team was yelling at him because of all that old stuff.

Oh well.  :)

At least his girlfriend is still around.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 09, 2014, 07:40:46 AM
Yuuuuuuup.  Not gonna shed a tear for his exit.  Natalie was a little TOO mouthy, but I loved how she was like "Go ahead and knock me out, I'm not afraid of you".  I think she could take him, seriously.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 09, 2014, 07:55:08 AM
I don't, and I don't like her, either.  I hope she gets ejected soon.

Of course, for that to happen, her tribe would have to lose, which doesn't look likely any time soon.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 09, 2014, 08:22:36 AM
I generally would be fine with her going, as the twins irritated the living shit out of me every time they were on the screen on TAR.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 09, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
I thought for sure after listening to the comments during tribal that John would have played that idol.....it was essentially spelled out that his alliance was going to vote him off?? But then again, it's not surprising that he didn't gather that....doesn't appear to be the most intelligent fella.

I actually think the battles to send people to exile have been kind of lame.....as in, not difficult. Could just be me. I don't see how the 'blue' tribe loses a challenge here on out until the merge....which sucks because in my office pool I have Baylor and Jacquelyn..... :(
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on October 09, 2014, 05:43:47 PM
By not playing his idol, he showed how stupid he is/was. 

Glad he is gone, he was good in the challenge but ultimately his big mouth got him in trouble.

From the look of the preview for next week it looks like Drew will be the next out.. :corn
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 09, 2014, 06:12:29 PM
By not playing his idol, he showed how stupid he is/was. 

Stupid and arrogant. It looked like he was thinking it over, but I think he was too smug and stupid to realize that the rest of the tribe could play a smarter game than him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 09, 2014, 08:16:51 PM
By not playing his idol, he showed how stupid he is/was. 

Stupid and arrogant. It looked like he was thinking it over, but I think he was too smug and stupid to realize that the rest of the tribe could play a smarter game than him.

There's a good reason why a Catcher told him which pitches to throw.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 10, 2014, 06:26:13 AM
:rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 15, 2014, 08:31:29 PM
Was Drew for real this week?! You'd think he wanted to get voted out with how stupid he was playing. I liked him up until this episode too.

He wanted to throw the game to vote someone out, but if you throw the game that blatantly, then rampage around camp like that, who do you think they're going to vote out? :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 15, 2014, 08:51:44 PM
Exactly. By the end I was rooting for them to vote him out. Dumbass.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 15, 2014, 08:58:45 PM
It's not like they had anyone in their tribe so awful that everyone wanted them out either. It seemed like he decided to do it on a whim just for the hell of it, no real strategy to it at all.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 15, 2014, 09:08:31 PM
What a dumbass.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 16, 2014, 08:18:34 AM
Was Drew for real this week?! You'd think he wanted to get voted out with how stupid he was playing. I liked him up until this episode too.

He wanted to throw the game to vote someone out, but if you throw the game that blatantly, then rampage around camp like that, who do you think they're going to vote out? :facepalm:

Exactly. By the end I was rooting for them to vote him out. Dumbass.

It's not like they had anyone in their tribe so awful that everyone wanted them out either. It seemed like he decided to do it on a whim just for the hell of it, no real strategy to it at all.

What a dumbass.

Pretty much these. I really couldn't believe what was going on....it looked so staged. And his brother on the other tribe is just as big of tool.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 16, 2014, 08:21:26 AM
The kingpin.  The badass.  This guy is so badass, he masterminded his own exit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 16, 2014, 08:40:45 AM
Double post.  Wah.

(https://i.imgur.com/HO6PEK8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 16, 2014, 10:00:16 AM
Goddamn right.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on October 17, 2014, 01:58:48 AM
I agree with you all....once again another player running off their mouth.

For a while in the episode I thought Keith was in trouble but Drew as good looking as he may be...was just plain stupid.

He reminds me of someone who has survived on their good looks their whole life and is deluded to the realities of life.....I mean he was so dismissive every time his tribe members tried to talk to him, then his pathetic attempt at the ring on the challenge then blames the swimmers!

Once he brought attention to Kelly...I actually noticed she is quite a smart player will be interesting to see how she goes going forward.

 :corn
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 17, 2014, 06:34:11 AM
Yeah, this guy was about as socially inept as is possible.  I'm glad they saw that and cut him loose.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 23, 2014, 06:37:42 AM
Yeah, not really sure what to think about last night's vote.  I'd rather have seen Baylor go.  She just seemed too wishy-washy flip-floppy to me.  So it seems pretty certain that if these guys lose again, Dale's out the door.  And holy shit with the whole rice thing.  What a bunch of losers.  The mom coming in and being like "Fuck you, we're going to eat as much as we want, despite the fact that now the other tribe has next to nothing left to eat because of not properly rationing it."  Her and her daughter need to GTFO.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 23, 2014, 06:41:08 AM
I've already forgotten who even got eliminated, so I obviously didn't care. I don't mind Baylor, at least she's cute. Her mother was an idiot with the rice thing, so she can gtfo for all I care.

They'll have to swap pretty much everything they have at camp for rice, can't remember what that tribe has. They'll be lucky if Jeff doesn't kick down their shelter as part of the deal. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 23, 2014, 07:37:28 AM
That would be quite entertaining, actually.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 23, 2014, 08:30:47 AM
If I was Jeff, I would make them go to a tribal council for it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 23, 2014, 08:32:13 AM
That's not a bad idea. Every time these things happen, you can see the evil gears turning in Probst's head.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 23, 2014, 09:00:50 AM
If I was Jeff, I would make them go to a tribal council for it.

That was my initial thought. Make em' really pay for it.

And, I don't see a thing wrong with Dale hazing Baylor's mom about the rice. I know that she is now technically part of that tribe but you don't just waltz in and start doing crap like eating all the food up. I understand why Jaquelyn and her boy toy voted the way they did...essentially choosing Baylor and her mom over the other two but I really can't stand Baylor's mom. You can kind of understand why she's had three failed marriages.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 23, 2014, 09:03:53 AM
Yep.  "I don't care about your perfectly sound, reasonable, and logical argument detailing what might be best for me or us, I'm going to do what I want".  Three failed marriages, indeed.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on October 24, 2014, 03:23:36 AM
Yeah Baylor's mum was a moron the second she walked into camp....I hate that the other two went with Baylor.....so Kelly is out and it looks like poor Dale is on his own.

It looks like both camps will be out of rice....maybe Jeff will make each tribe send a member to exile island or better yet as suggested above go to tribal council.

I hope somehow Baylor and her Mum are the next two that go.

Is it just me or have the challenges seemed a little easy this season?  Maybe because it is early days....

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: RoeDent on October 24, 2014, 03:43:31 AM
Is this show still going on? I thought it died about 10 years ago!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 24, 2014, 05:56:47 AM
Is this show still going on? I thought it died about 10 years ago!
Why would you think that?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 29, 2014, 11:21:40 PM
As expected Jeff Probst took all of their luxury stuff. If anything, I expected him to go a little further and take all of their flint, maybe kick around their camp a bit. He was fair on what he took.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 30, 2014, 07:07:37 AM
As expected Jeff Probst took all of their luxury stuff. If anything, I expected him to go a little further and take all of their flint, maybe kick around their camp a bit. He was fair on what he took.
Yeah. But I still would have made them have an extra tribal council.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 30, 2014, 08:58:09 AM
As expected Jeff Probst took all of their luxury stuff. If anything, I expected him to go a little further and take all of their flint, maybe kick around their camp a bit. He was fair on what he took.
Yeah. But I still would have made them have an extra tribal council.


That's a nice idea, although then they have to think of the logistics to keep the game running for the full 39 days when they're an extra man down. I'm sure it could be done, but for an on the spot thing, I understand why they didn't go with that option.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on October 30, 2014, 07:13:39 PM
For what Jeff took, he should have only given them half a bag of rice.

I felt Dale was dumb offering to make that deal at the merge with the idol...he showed he wasn't going to use it...he would've been better off making them think he would use it.

Glad the merge is happening maybe now we will see some great challenges.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 05, 2014, 09:12:50 PM
Boo f'ing hoo Julie.
She quit over nothing. Nobody had even confronted her about the trail mix yet, and she couldn't even hang on another day until tribal council. Weak. She didn't have it any tougher than other people out there.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 05, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Boo f'ing hoo Julie.
She quit over nothing. Nobody had even confronted her about the trail mix yet, and she couldn't even hang on another day until tribal council. Weak. She didn't have it any tougher than other people out there.

It's annoying now that it seems each season has someone quit. I'm sure it's rough conditions and all but they have well water and food given to them and I'd bet near anything that when the camera's aren't rolling there are medical check ups and what not going on. It's not called 'Survivor' due to actually having to survive....it's the game play. And she was weak. It's just unfortunate someone...somewhere missed out on a shot to get on the show. But then again, she's only there because she's shagging John Rocker.

That may have initially been a set back for Jeremy as far as numbers and alliances go....but for him to escape possibly getting voted off was huge because he could now win immunity...and you see what a day does as far as the 'atmosphere' of camp.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 05, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
It is sad to see people quite the game, but I think this has been the weakest yet. It wasn't due to a nagging injury or a huge blowup with someone, she quit just from general Survivor stuff, which everyone else manages to endure.
I'm not saying living in those conditions is easy, but as you said, they have water and food, they just had a big feast, and she had it relatively easy around camp. As far as Survivor goes, she had it just fine.

I think it says a lot about how cushy her life is outside the game that she couldn't take it. Not that I'd even do as well as her, but I'd have the sense not to sign up for Survivor and take the spot of someone with a chance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 05, 2014, 09:43:15 PM
the cold and discomfort are real...for sure and certainly drive people mad. And although they are only eating handfuls of rice a day at worst....they're getting fresh water....so, the 'hunger' is something that you should be able to deal with. I would think that if I were selected to go on that show that I'd prepare before hand not only by having the ability to start a fire without flint (which I can already do in several different methods) but I'd also be eating every insect...small mammal....and edible plant I could get my hands on. The fact that these people are never munching down on bugs drives me crazy!!! choc full of protein and energy..ready made energy pills.  :lol

Anyway...good point about Julie. There's no way she's used to that type of lifestyle and I'm sure it was hard on her to be in that element.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on November 06, 2014, 07:07:38 PM
The funny thing was she made no secret after the feast that she was taking the leftovers....I am trying to recall who told her to go for it.

I am sure it was hard with the merge to see family groups, loved ones together and that made her miss John even more...a few weeks prior she was crying when she was cold and wet...I thought she would quit then.

I wish she had waited for tribal council, as it would have been interesting to see if she was the one voted out for her trail mix or someone else.

I loved the challenge, I hope they have more good ones now the numbers are reducing!

The funny thing is is previous seasons I have always picked someone I wanted to win, but I can't think of any out of this group that I actually like.  Maybe Wes and his Dad....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 06, 2014, 07:34:04 PM
I loved the challenge, I hope they have more good ones now the numbers are reducing!

I always like the individual challenges more than the team ones. They still split them up into teams at this stage for the reward challenges though. The show is always better after the merge imo.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 06, 2014, 08:40:50 PM
The funny thing is is previous seasons I have always picked someone I wanted to win, but I can't think of any out of this group that I actually like.  Maybe Wes and his Dad....

I have both Jaquelyn and Baylor in my office pool....either one wins and I win $100. I highly doubt that if Baylor made it to the end she'd get a vote but there's an outside chance that if Jaquelyn made it to the end she would.....she seems to be 'playing' the game and is somewhat strong in challenges. Who knows. If I am just rooting for someone it's for Wes or his Dad, I like those two....can't really stand any of the others.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on November 07, 2014, 01:57:41 AM
Baylor may come close only because she can hide behind Missy. Baylor seems less of a cow than her mother who I believe should be a target.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on November 13, 2014, 05:54:37 PM
So am I the only one who watched this last night?  :corn

Great challenges, I was shocked to see Josh get voted out, and I thought Missy would have been up before Baylor.

I can't be the only one who thinks John and his GF are playing the game God awful....I say that because soon the girls will have the numbers and start voting him and his GF out...that is my 2 cents anyway.  :smiley:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
I was surprised to see Josh voted out. Are they just voting out loved ones? There was nothing else in the episode that I recall making him a target.
I don't think that other couple are playing very well. They think they're special and controlling the game, and I was annoyed that John got an idol. They should vote the girl off.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on November 13, 2014, 06:03:28 PM
Hopefully next episode.  :smiley:  Or maybe they will target Wes or Keith.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 14, 2014, 06:57:11 AM
I was surprised at the vote as well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 14, 2014, 07:41:35 AM
I wasn't surprised they voted John out.....I spent the entire time curious as to how Jaquelyn.....who seems fairly intelligent and is pretty hot.....could possibly be dating such a huge douche bag like John? The more and more he opens his mouth and speaks reveals what a tard' he is.

I do think that Josh was a good player and a 'threat'...so eliminating him helped everyone, but at the moment...there is no clear cut frontrunner in my eyes.


They should vote the girl off.

Noooo......I have her in our office pool!! I need her to go all the way because I have Baylor also and I don't see her having a chance to win. Jaquelyn has some sort of a shot at least.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 14, 2014, 07:44:27 AM
All I know is that I want Jacquelyn to stay as long as possible.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 14, 2014, 08:59:46 AM
Yeah, not really sure how I'm feeling about all this yet.  The guys are being kinda jerky towards the girls, but I don't know why, but Baylor just irritates me.  She just does.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on November 15, 2014, 04:48:15 PM
I wasn't surprised they voted John out.....I spent the entire time curious as to how Jaquelyn.....who seems fairly intelligent and is pretty hot.....could possibly be dating such a huge douche bag like John? The more and more he opens his mouth and speaks reveals what a tard' he is.






Wait a second....did the U.S. screen two episodes? Australia just saw Josh voted out on the episode where John finds the idol...now you're saying he's out as well? Damn...have to wait until Thursday night to see the episode.






Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Grizz on November 15, 2014, 06:12:41 PM
It is sad to see people quite the game, but I think this has been the weakest yet. It wasn't due to a nagging injury or a huge blowup with someone, she quit just from general Survivor stuff, which everyone else manages to endure.
I'm not saying living in those conditions is easy, but as you said, they have water and food, they just had a big feast, and she had it relatively easy around camp. As far as Survivor goes, she had it just fine.
Osten on Pearl Islands did the same thing. Jeff knocked over his torch and expressed disgust towards it.
I was in Kindergarten when Pearl Islands aired and decided to rewatch it for a nostalgia trip, so yeah.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 17, 2014, 06:23:10 AM
I wasn't surprised they voted John out.....I spent the entire time curious as to how Jaquelyn.....who seems fairly intelligent and is pretty hot.....could possibly be dating such a huge douche bag like John? The more and more he opens his mouth and speaks reveals what a tard' he is.

Wait a second....did the U.S. screen two episodes? Australia just saw Josh voted out on the episode where John finds the idol...now you're saying he's out as well? Damn...have to wait until Thursday night to see the episode.

He misspoke.  It was Josh.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on November 17, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
Thanks for that... :smiley:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 17, 2014, 08:38:24 PM
He misspoke.  It was Josh.

Yep....my bad...... :loser:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 19, 2014, 07:09:39 PM
What the fuck, indeed, Natalie. I feel like Natalie and Reed are the only ones I could possibly want to win ay this point. This flip-flopping from J&J is getting irritating.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 19, 2014, 09:25:38 PM
Yeah....holy cow! those two have just sealed their fate for sure.....I mean, that's (2) jury members that won't give either of them a vote. It's anyone's game other than those two. Unfortunately for me I have Jaquelyn in an office pool...(and Baylor). I don't see either of them getting the votes to win. At this point Keith and Wes could make a good argument for the $$...possibly Natalie. I don't see Reed making it much further for some reason.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 19, 2014, 09:38:03 PM
What the fuck, indeed, Natalie. I feel like Natalie and Reed are the only ones I could possibly want to win ay this point. This flip-flopping from J&J is getting irritating.

I like both of them too, and I wanted to see Jeremy do well, so I was very disappointed with the vote this week.

And I was annoyed that Natalie and Jeremy both gave up their spots for J&J. I hate that couple so much, so I was glad their team lost, but then they just get the reward handed to them. I don't know how they became the defacto leaders, but I hope one of them gets knocked down next week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 20, 2014, 06:49:27 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure how they became the MVPs all of a sudden.

Although, given that they are now descending the popularity pole, it may behoove everyone else to keep them around as long as possible.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 20, 2014, 06:52:28 AM
Which is exactly why I'd be no good in this game.  I'd be one of those people that when someone rubs me the wrong way, I'd just want them out at all costs.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 20, 2014, 07:29:43 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure how they became the MVPs all of a sudden.

Especially when my 4 year old is more intelligent than John......
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 20, 2014, 07:32:56 AM
What really burns my ass is Jeremy gave up his reward with Natalie as a sign of loyalty, in return for their vote last week.  Then Jon lies to him about the idol and votes him out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 20, 2014, 07:40:57 AM
What really burns my ass is Jeremy gave up his reward with Natalie as a sign of loyalty, in return for their vote last week.  Then Jon lies to him about the idol and votes him out.

Yeah....that move essentially guaranteed that neither of them would receive a vote from the jury, no matter who is on it. I mean, that was cold blooded....all because Jon failed to think one step ahead and realize that Jeremy would figure out that Jon had the idol?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 20, 2014, 07:46:47 AM
And had it been calculated ice cold game play, MAYBE I could've gotten behind it.  No, it was just cowardly bullshit because as you said, he couldn't think that far ahead.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 20, 2014, 07:53:07 AM
And had it been calculated ice cold game play, MAYBE I could've gotten behind it.  No, it was just cowardly bullshit because as you said, he couldn't think that far ahead.

I was kind of shocked that Missy and Baylor got behind the idea...as Missy said, she and Jeremy had 'been together' since day one. I suppose they just viewed Jeremy a larger threat than John/Jaquelyn and chose to get him out then??

Talk about ballsy though....Keith not playing his idol!!?? Especially after figuring out they all new he had it!!??
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 20, 2014, 07:54:52 AM
I  am always amazed when people gamble on not playing the idol.  I would suck soooooooo bad at Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 20, 2014, 08:05:12 AM
I  am always amazed when people gamble on not playing the idol.  I would suck soooooooo bad at Survivor.

 :lol You and me both!! I'd find that thing and play it the first council I was at....and, I think I'd be pretty bad at manner and frequency of  'lying' most of those folks do. Not that I haven't spinned a good yarn on occasion....but I think the 'outwit' part of the game is a bit overstatted and a very nice way of saying 'lie your a$$ off'.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 20, 2014, 08:07:26 AM
That, plus the fact that if I go for a few hours without eating something, I feel like I'm on the verge of death.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 20, 2014, 08:09:36 AM
I don't blame John per se for not revealing he had the idol.  I don't know where the concept came from that you have to tell your alliance members that you have the idol.  It's an individual idol, and I've always thought it was dumb for ANYONE to tell ANYONE that they had one, unless it was part of their strategy.

But the way this went down was not good.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 20, 2014, 08:54:56 AM
I don't blame John per se for not revealing he had the idol.  I don't know where the concept came from that you have to tell your alliance members that you have the idol.  It's an individual idol, and I've always thought it was dumb for ANYONE to tell ANYONE that they had one, unless it was part of their strategy.

But the way this went down was not good.

Oh..I agree with your stance. I've never understood announcing to anyone you had the idol....and the way Keith handled it was spot on. I think John not telling anyone in his "alliance" was OK also...where he messed up was the fact that he had no 'excuse' or story prepared for what he knew was coming, the question from Jeremy on if he had it or not....his attempt at lying about it was pretty transparent and the way he panicked and subsequently got Jeremy eliminated was not well thought out as far as 'end game' is concerned.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 20, 2014, 10:21:35 AM
 :tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on November 20, 2014, 04:17:52 PM
Great episode.. I agree with what so many of you have said.

Now Wes and Keith are my faves at the moment, so because they were on the challenge team with J&J, I wanted them to lose. So glad they did and then J&J are given free reward...I am like WTF, suck ups Natalie and Jeremy.

Then Jeremy going to exile island, those little crabs walking around all night would freak me out, I would come back a mess too!

Keith seemed pretty relaxed going into tribal, even after his clue paper was stolen, I figured he must have given it to Wes, but boy was I shocked to see Jeremy go, I was so sure it would be Reed.

I would be crap at this game as well..I could not lie so convincingly, the starvation would fry my brain...even that last challenge Baylor was so good to win, sounds a bit sexist but I was so sure a guy with bigger feet and toes would win not to mention their core and then Baylor beats them all...Reed came close, so close poor guy!

I hope John is the next to go, J&J have had such an easy ride in this game..I want them both gone now even more than I want Missy or Baylor out.

My top 3 would be Keith, Wes, Natalie...who was so annoying on The Amazing Race, but now is quite a strong competitor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 20, 2014, 05:38:16 PM
I'm shocked that I'm rooting for Natalie. I could not STAND them on the Amazing Race. It seems though, that when you split the two of them up, not so bad.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 21, 2014, 06:54:51 AM
I still don't like Natalie.

I guess my favorite ATM is Keith.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 21, 2014, 08:18:01 AM
I guess my favorite ATM is Keith.

I think I'm rooting for Keith or Wes. Not a big fan of anyone else left....other than the two I have in my office pool and they'd never get a vote anyway (Baylor/Jaquelyn)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 26, 2014, 09:05:16 PM
Dangit, Keith ruined that. But at least that's both of those idols gone, and I'm perfectly fine with Wes going.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 26, 2014, 10:38:21 PM
Dammit Keith.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on November 28, 2014, 03:14:34 AM
If only he had kept his trap shut for one more minute!! And that half arsed attempt to offer it to Wes....Damn!

I hope the shorts for next week do hold true, and there is splits in the groups...Reed did great to win that last challenge, 3hrs plus!!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 28, 2014, 09:43:26 AM
If only he had kept his trap shut for one more minute!! And that half arsed attempt to offer it to Wes....Damn!

Yeah....even my wife who rarely says anything about these shows lamented at what a tard' he was for opening his mouth! And, I know he found the idol and it was his per say...but I have kids and I'd be willing to bet that I'd have not given any one of my sons the choice on whether they were taking it or not, I'd have told them they were..

Ahhh....anyway. I think it could be anyone's Million bucks right now...it really could. There isn't a stand out player for me to be honest. Everyone left is just 'ehh' for me. But at least my office picks are still in there Jackie and Baylor....increases my odds of winning the office pool everytime they don't get voted out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 03, 2014, 10:19:02 PM
Dammit, Jon gets another immunity idol. And Keith is literally the last person I expected to win that first immunity challenge. :lol

I was annoyed that yet again Jon and Jaqueline get a reward handed to them, but I'm glad Natalie was only doing it as a tactic and wants them gone. I hope she doesn't get burned trying to do it.
Jon and Jacqueline are idiots, and she's a self centered bitch. She expected to get chosen for that first reward, and then did nothing but complain when she wasn't picked.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 04, 2014, 06:25:31 AM
Then, when Natalie's first choice for blindside, Jon, wins immunity, instead of taking the next best shot, Jacqueline, she goes for Alec?  WTF?  BREAK UP THE COUPLES AT ALL COSTS!

And Missy, STFU.  Your kid IS a brat.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 04, 2014, 06:35:12 AM
I was surprised they didn't go for Jacqueline next too, but I figure they think Jon alone is still a big enough leader to have the pull to have control, whereas Jacqueline alone isn't as much of a threat.
How they got into this position of apparent power, I don't know, because they've only got half a brain between them.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 04, 2014, 06:36:39 AM
My respect for Natalie went up a little bit.

But I can't stand Missy.  I'm waiting for Baylor to go in with a blindside against her Mom.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on December 04, 2014, 02:14:29 PM
I am glad Keith is still in the game.

I am curious why Natalie is so obsessed with removing Jon now when in the not too distant past she was the one (or first one) to tell him to play his idol...if she had shut up, he would've been gone then.

Jon was smart telling them to send him to exile island, knowing again he would get the opportunity to find an idol.
I was so hoping he would not find the thing, I am sure I am not the only one.

The funny thing is go back a little bit and I wanted Missy and Baylor out, now it is J&J, I did't understand why they didn't target Jac after Jon won immunity, it was their one opportunity to break the two up.

I just want Keith to win now, he was so close with that challenge last night...he just needs to win every immunity from here on out

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 04, 2014, 02:49:38 PM
I would love it if Keith won.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 04, 2014, 03:03:45 PM
Me too. Keith or Natalie are my favorites at this point.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 04, 2014, 06:56:00 PM
I like Keith as a person, but he's such a dolt. He's done well in recent challenges, but I don't think he'd really deserve to win. I wouldn't mind him winning though, especially over some of the alternatives. I'm with Natalie. That's if she can get out Jon/Jacqueline before they get rid of her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 10, 2014, 09:17:57 PM
Go Natalie! This was her episode. She did a great job convincing those two idiots that she was misinformed for the vote, and with the immunity challenge coming down to Jon and herself, that was the make or break moment, so I was hoping so badly she'd win.

I was worried Missy was going to screw the whole thing up and reveal the plan to Jon, but at least she kept her mouth shut. That was a crazy tribal council, and luckily Jon was too stupid to catch on to the blindside.

I don't think any episode has made me happier this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 11, 2014, 06:41:46 AM
Oh, no shit.  That was absolutely beautifully played by Natalie.  Jac is SUPER pissed.  Go ahead and get pissed that they voted Jon off.  Nobody there is playing for Jon except you and Jon.  It isn't up to anyone else to save his ass, so piss off.

Great episode.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 11, 2014, 06:53:02 AM
I agree, best episode of the season thus far.  I still don't WANT to like Natalie, but I am starting to do so.

Also, screw Missy.  I think that she should be removed if she is physically unable to participate in challenges.  And also because I can't stand her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 11, 2014, 07:00:38 AM
After Jon gave away his reward to Baylor last night, I saw someone on Twitter suggest that had he won the million at the end, he'd probably have given that to Baylor or Natalie also.

Yeah, Missy was TRYING to be honorable and keep her word to Jon, but it's one of the few times I've given a shit about Baylor, who clearly had to remind Missy "YOU AREN'T PLAYING FOR JON, YOU'RE PLAYING FOR YOU AND I, DUMBASS".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 07:07:03 AM
After Jon gave away his reward to Baylor last night, I saw someone on Twitter suggest that had he won the million at the end, he'd probably have given that to Baylor or Natalie also.

Yeah, Missy was TRYING to be honorable and keep her word to Jon, but it's one of the few times I've given a shit about Baylor, who clearly had to remind Missy "YOU AREN'T PLAYING FOR JON, YOU'RE PLAYING FOR YOU AND I, DUMBASS".

Honor and loyalty is all well and good, but she needs to remember this isn't real life, it's a game, and everyone's goal is to backstab you before you backstab them, for the purpose of profit. If you're not there to win the money, go home. :facepalm:

We're probably at the point where the reward challenges are individual now (we've still got the obligatory food auction and maybe the people from home if that's necessary), so it might be possible for Missy to theoretically finish the game with an injured foot. Of course, she's a worthless player who would get voted out long before that anyway, so unless she can compete and win immunity, that's probably a moot point.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 11, 2014, 07:17:35 AM
Well, in case nobody noticed, next week is the finale, so if they're going to do any of the usual challenges we've come to expect (auction, family visit, etc.), they will have to cram it into the finale episode, which seems unlikely.  I'm kinda glad though, because they family visits are just awful.  Fly thousands of miles to spend five minutes with your loved one, then leave.  Although since this was BvW this season, that's probably why they didn't do a family visit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 07:24:12 AM
The final episode is always a double, and we've still got 5 left, so does that mean a final 3 this time, or an extra tribal to get it to a final 2? There's still room for a few more challenges. We might still get the auction, but the family thing seems redundant with blood vs water, so I agree.

Just found this, which talks a bit about Missy's injury.
https://insidetv.ew.com/2014/12/11/survivor-jeff-probst-missy-injured/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 11, 2014, 07:30:32 AM
Nice.  Good info.  It was cool to hear about how the kid pitched this challenge.  The Schmergen Brawl WAS pretty brutal shit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 11, 2014, 07:42:51 AM
Jon's arrival at Pnderosa is gold, if for no other reason than Alec explaining to him that Natalie didn't screw up the vote and accidentally vote out Alec, but that she was playing Jon all along and he fell right into it.  :lol

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/vz82CPgwiCL4DIq7JRV_KVrfUiwNwCWA/survivor-san-juan-del-sur-jon-at-ponderosa/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 11, 2014, 07:44:45 AM
Jon's arrival at Pnderosa is gold, if for no other reason than Alec explaining to him that Natalie didn't screw up the vote and accidentally vote out Alec, but that she was playing Jon all along and he fell right into it.  :lol

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/vz82CPgwiCL4DIq7JRV_KVrfUiwNwCWA/survivor-san-juan-del-sur-jon-at-ponderosa/

I can't wait to watch that......(can't do it from work PC  :'( )
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on December 12, 2014, 03:34:13 PM
Great Episode (as you have all mentioned) I just loved Jon's face when his name was revealed and then the look on Jac's face.

Keith is still in it Thank God, I hope he wins!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 13, 2014, 05:53:06 AM
Jon's arrival at Pnderosa is gold, if for no other reason than Alec explaining to him that Natalie didn't screw up the vote and accidentally vote out Alec, but that she was playing Jon all along and he fell right into it.  :lol

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/vz82CPgwiCL4DIq7JRV_KVrfUiwNwCWA/survivor-san-juan-del-sur-jon-at-ponderosa/
:tup
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 16, 2014, 06:56:55 AM
So according to Jon's exit interview, the final five alliance (J&J, M&B, and Natalie) had all decided that Jaclyn and Baylor would sacrifice themselves in order for their loved ones to make final three.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2014/12/survivor-jon-jaclyn-baylor-missy-natalie-final-three-plan/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 16, 2014, 07:05:40 AM
They probably all "agreed" upon it for show for their alliance, while secretly all having the idea to blindside everyone else to double their own chances of winning. Jon was probably the only one stupid enough to think it was genuine.
That's my theory on that. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 16, 2014, 07:17:36 AM
Probably so.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2014, 10:59:33 PM
YES! NATALIE!

Jackie won at the worst possible time, but luckily she voted out Keith instead of Natalie, because voting out Natalie would have been the smarter move (although Keith would also have been in with a chance). Natalie even admitted as much.
I thought turning on Baylor and saving Jackie would turn out to be a dumb move that would backfire on her the next vote, so she was lucky. But as soon as Natalie made it to the final 3, I knew she had it in the bag.
There's always one that you know won't get a single vote, which in this case was Missy (her one vote was obviously Baylor, which doesn't count). Jackie was mostly a tagalong with Jon, and Natalie made several risky big moves that got her to the end, so she was the clear choice.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on December 18, 2014, 05:24:43 AM
Still watching the reunion show about the infamous Reed speech, (which was the best ever) and even how he just defended it was perfect.
I don't know what Reed does as a day job but he is a great talker.

I agree with everything you wrote Blob. And yes Congrats Natalie, she did really deserve the win.

Going over the last episode while it is fresh...at the tribal before the jury selection when Jeff asked Nat if she thought she could win and she was so confident, it was a moment for me like Keith's infamous comments a couple of weeks before..so I was sure they would vote Nat. but no they didn't...I knew then she had it in the bag as she did outwit, outlast and outplay all remaining.

The speech Reed made to Missy was pure gold...now the reunion is on he is right he judged Missy on how he saw her in the game.

I think this was the best season ever....saying that as they talk on tv about next season white, blue and no collar this sounds great!!
:smiley:

Shame Keith didn't win, but CONGRATS TO NATALIE!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2014, 05:48:34 AM
I just finished watching the reunion on TV, and they didn't do the audience vote, did they?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on December 18, 2014, 05:53:15 AM
No....did you see the hands up vote to see how many would have voted for Keith, and he would have got it.
What a shame. Nat deserved it in the end.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2014, 05:56:39 AM
Natalie was right to get rid of Keith. He wasn't the smartest guy, but he was very likeable, and he did very well in the more recent challenges. I would have expected him to win if Natalie got voted out, and I would have been going for him. I don't think Keith would have won against Natalie though. She played a more well rounded game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on December 18, 2014, 05:59:40 AM
I agree completely...Nat was the best game player in the end....Keith was just such a nice guy!

Has everyone else gone to bed...where are all our fellow Survivor fans around the world? (Just after Midnight Thurs. Aus. current time)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2014, 06:02:22 AM
Americans are still in bed or just waking up. Surprised we didn't have anyone else last night when it aired there, although it was a long finale, so they might not have gotten to it yet.
Not sure we have any other Aussies here who watch the show.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on December 18, 2014, 06:15:41 AM
Usually I wait for the next day....but after that finale I had to get on here. Must try to sleep now.  ::)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 18, 2014, 06:28:36 AM
That was fantastic!  Natalie totally deserved it, she played the hell out of everyone else.  I admit, when I first heard that her and Nadiya were going to be on, I cringed, because I could NOT STAND them on TAR, but here, since they weren't together, it was different.  I was rooting for either Keith or Natalie to win also, but I figured Nat was more deserving, because of the moves she made.  Outside of winning challenges, Keith did little more than hold on to keep from getting blown away with the storm.  When she played her idol for Jaclyn, I could not believe it.  Holy crap!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2014, 06:31:04 AM
That was fantastic!  Natalie totally deserved it, she played the hell out of everyone else.  I admit, when I first heard that her and Nadiya were going to be on, I cringed, because I could NOT STAND them on TAR, but here, since they weren't together, it was different.  I was rooting for either Keith or Natalie to win also, but I figured Nat was more deserving, because of the moves she made.  Outside of winning challenges, Keith did little more than hold on to keep from getting blown away with the storm.  When she played her idol for Jaclyn, I could not believe it.  Holy crap!

Man, I was yelling at my screen when she did that. She'd played such a clever, daring game, but I thought that was going to be the fatal move that would be her downfall. And if Jackie had half a brain, she would have voted Natalie out.
And I was so pissed when Jackie won that final challenge. Of all the people to be in a position of power to decide the final three......
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 18, 2014, 06:33:36 AM
Exactly, I was like "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, SHE CAN'T WIN IMMUNITY NOW!!!!"  I thought Nat was a goner for sure when Jac won immunity.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 18, 2014, 07:20:45 AM
I thought Natalie's idol play for Jacklyn was one of the greatest things I've ever seen on Survivor.

Keith was the one I liked the best, but Natalie definitely played the best game, so she deserved to win.

And Jacklyn was smoking hot on the reunion show.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 18, 2014, 08:38:31 AM
That was fantastic!  Natalie totally deserved it, she played the hell out of everyone else.  I admit, when I first heard that her and Nadiya were going to be on, I cringed, because I could NOT STAND them on TAR, but here, since they weren't together, it was different.  I was rooting for either Keith or Natalie to win also, but I figured Nat was more deserving, because of the moves she made.  Outside of winning challenges, Keith did little more than hold on to keep from getting blown away with the storm.  When she played her idol for Jaclyn, I could not believe it.  Holy crap!

Man, I was yelling at my screen when she did that. She'd played such a clever, daring game, but I thought that was going to be the fatal move that would be her downfall. And if Jackie had half a brain, she would have voted Natalie out.
And I was so pissed when Jackie won that final challenge. Of all the people to be in a position of power to decide the final three......

I wasn't ticked because her coming in second place made me $45  :metal  :biggrin:  And, even though she didn't make 'huge' power moves like Natalie the fact of the matter is for better or for worse her and John did really decide who stayed and who was voted off for a large part of the game. And, if you paid any attention to any conversaition John had I have a sneaking suspicion that Jaquelyn was the 'brains' of the outfit...so....I actually think she deserved the chance to pitch her case.

But the right person won because Nat definately played a heck of a game making some great strategic moves.....like Hef said....

I thought Natalie's idol play for Jacklyn was one of the greatest things I've ever seen on Survivor.

My wife and I's jaw hit the ground.....that was made even more awesome due to the fact that I'm sure Baylor and Missy thought as she walked up that Nat was going to say it was for Missy or Baylor.....that look on EVERYONES face was priceless


and this.....

And Jacklyn was smoking hot on the reunion show.

:iagree:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2014, 08:49:15 AM
I wasn't ticked because her coming in second place made me $45  :metal  :biggrin:  And, even though she didn't make 'huge' power moves like Natalie the fact of the matter is for better or for worse her and John did really decide who stayed and who was voted off for a large part of the game. And, if you paid any attention to any conversaition John had I have a sneaking suspicion that Jaquelyn was the 'brains' of the outfit...so....I actually think she deserved the chance to pitch her case.

Congrats on the winnings! :metal
Jaclyn was obviously the smarter of the two, although I'm still not convinced they have a whole brain between the two of them. :lol
Still, her and Jon did somehow manage to get themselves into a good little position of power for much of the time after the merge, and she made it to the final 3. She was certainly more deserving than Missy.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on December 18, 2014, 01:46:46 PM
Missy looked completely different at the reunion show....(with some meat on her bones) Most of them including Jac. did look great.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2014, 11:41:21 PM
I always like seeing the reunion show, and seeing how they scrub up. You can't recognize the dudes without their jungle beards, and the girls always look better after putting some weight back on and dressing up. I didn't even recognize Missy, and Baylor looked cute. Jaclyn still looked odd, but it was an improvement. That reminds me, I don't remember spotting that baseball dude's chick at the reunion.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 19, 2014, 06:37:36 AM
She was there, they just weren't sitting together.  It looks like they were seated in the order in which they were voted out.  She was in the middle row, far left.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 19, 2014, 06:43:42 AM
Ok. I just didn't notice her, since in the reunion they naturally focus more on the people who made it to the merge, because that's where the most interesting stuff happens.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 19, 2014, 06:59:39 AM
I think I read that after you cut out the actual episode that ran over into the reunion hour, then cut out commercials, there was like 26 minutes of actual reunion episode.  Then he went into the audience at least once during that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 25, 2015, 06:11:56 PM
On RIGHT NOW baby. Booyah!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 25, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
Good golly the white collar folk seem a bit 'slow'. I'm thrilled though that the most intelligent one is Tyler....who is one of my two office pool players this year. The other being that tattooed up chic on blue collar. I guess you reap what you sew....huh...SO? Anyway....on to a new season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 26, 2015, 07:09:33 AM
Good golly the white collar folk seem a bit 'slow'. I'm thrilled though that the most intelligent one is Tyler....who is one of my two office pool players this year. The other being that tattooed up chic on blue collar. I guess you reap what you sew....huh...SO? Anyway....on to a new season.

That tattooed chick is clearly the weak link of the blue collar tribe.

I overall like the blue collar and no collar tribes, both full of good people. The white collar team seems a bit too determined to prove their label and stab each other in the back. I could tell from the start they'd be the one team to choose the "deceive" option, especially with slicked back business dude in charge. It's a bit of a shame the hot asian (Korean?) chick got burned for it. I see that team potentially imploding.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2015, 07:17:36 AM
I love the epic scale of some of these immunity challenges.  Sometimes they're really weak, but most of the time, the Survivor challenge design team comes up with really outstanding stuff.  This one was pretty good.

Featherhead Vince is already establishing himself as a major-league paranoia case.  WTF, dude?  Coconut vendor?  Chill.  I was pleased to see the blue and no choose the honesty route, knowing that it would be easier than having to come up with some pathetic story that the rest of the team would see through anyway (as they did with white).  However, it appears that some didn't even believe the guys from blue, on having been honest, which is too bad.

Big guy on blue needs to learn to STFU.  Or at the very least learn some tact.  You can't talk to people like that.  Basic decency in human interaction is KEY in this game and it will put you on the black list right away if you're a douche.  Somehow though, people still come on here, end up amidst a group of strangers, and despite their desire to stay in the game, are incapable of conversing with others tactfully when they have a disagreement.

I was quite pleased when the two from white lied to get an immunity idol clue, then the other chick still managed to find it before them.  It's always satisfying when it works out like that.

I think this is going to be a pretty good season.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 26, 2015, 07:22:11 AM
She was pretty ballsy to not play the idol too, because she could very well have gone.

Vince is a nutjob. A hug's gonna make it all better? Weirdo. Did he remind anyone else of a young James LaBrie? Or maybe just a Fabio.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2015, 07:28:42 AM
It was like a five minute hug.  Everything about this guy was awkward.  He's like Coach mixed with Fabio looks-wise and Tony (cop dude from Cagayan) in the paranoia department.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2015, 07:44:56 AM
Featherhead Vince is already establishing himself as a major-league paranoia case.  WTF, dude?  Coconut vendor?  Chill. 

Dude is just straight up creepy and sleezy. It looked like he was sizing her up to see if her skin would fit him as a cape.


I was pleased to see the blue and no choose the honesty route, knowing that it would be easier than having to come up with some pathetic story that the rest of the team would see through anyway (as they did with white).  However, it appears that some didn't even believe the guys from blue, on having been honest, which is too bad.

Honestly, Probst and the producers were dicks on that because they know that the bags of rice and beans they've given tribes to start the game in the past were twice that size....so I'm certain they knew that even by choosing the honesty route....there would be those on the tribe who doubted them due to the minimal size of the honesty reward bag of beans. Dick move....but clever for the show/drama

I was quite pleased when the two from white lied to get an immunity idol clue, then the other chick still managed to find it before them.  It's always satisfying when it works out like that.

Another reason taking the clue to the idol was dumb. Anyone who watches the show knows they aren't really hiding these things any longer....they are doing just exactly what Carolyn said they do...they put them in an 'odd' looking place. Why even wait for a clue? Just go poke around for an hour or so and it's almost a guarantee to find one if you have half a brain.



I'm also in a 'B' Pool in the office because there were more people wanting to play.....I have creepy Vince and Nina in that one.







Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2015, 07:52:00 AM
Dude is just straight up creepy and sleezy. It looked like he was sizing her up to see if her skin would fit him as a cape.

:rollin

It makes sense what you said about Probst and co. doing that anyway to create drama, knowing people may still not believe them.  I've heard complaints about the difference in the show, since Probst became producer in addition to host and how it feels like he has too heavy a hand in the goings-on now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 28, 2015, 12:20:56 PM
Finally got to watch it. Neat to see my old friend Will after all these years (we went to high school together).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 04, 2015, 07:55:32 PM
Featherhead Fabio is out. He was a little annoying, but I'm a little bummed he's gone.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 05, 2015, 12:55:18 AM
Featherhead Fabio is out. He was a little annoying, but I'm a little bummed he's gone.

He deserved to go for being a paranoid weirdo, but it would have been funny to see what happened with him. He's the kind of guy they'd possibly bring back in future seasons.

And quote of the episode - "Water always been black man kryptonite" :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 05, 2015, 09:25:03 PM
That Tribe would have been finished had Jen or Joe been voted out. Featherhead was annoying as all,heck and I won't be surprised if it's learned he has bodies buried in his basement or eventually will bury bodies in his basement. He's off in a not good way.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 08, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
And quote of the episode - "Water always been black man kryptonite" :lol
Yep, that's Will.  He always used to say stuff like that in school.  :lol

Not sure if it was a good move strategically, but I'm glad Featherface is gone.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 19, 2015, 06:44:31 AM
Here I'm looking all over the place in GD for the f*cking Survivor thread and it's nowhere to be found.  Then I saw this new forum.  Awesome.

So nice double episode last night.  I gotta say when you get nailed in the head and are bleeding to the point of needing stitches, but opt for a bandage so you can finish the challenge, even if you lose, you're badass in my book.  Holy crap.

I'm okay with both of the votes last night.  Max taught a class on Survivor at Northwestern University.  From his bio:

Quote
Why You’ll “Survive” SURVIVOR: I’ll survive because of my laser-like focus, confidence, conviction and level-headedness. Oh, and did I mention that I taught a college class on Survivor?

Despite all he knows about it (and he clearly knows a LOT about it), he still managed to be a complete pain in the ass, socially, which sent him right out the door, despite being one of the only men on his new tribe.  Which is another thing that gets me.  Why does it always seem that when they pick new tribes at random like this, that you ALWAYS end up with two incredibly lopsided tribes?  I mean it's WAY off.  Hell, Max was the only one on his tribe that really helped hustle the damned sled through the obstacle course.  But by then, it was WAY too late.

Rodney is a major league toolbag who looks way too much like Vanilla Ice.  Even if you have strong opinions about women or anything else, he is not stupid.  He HAS to know that even saying something like he said about women needing to hold themselves to a higher standard would rub SOMEONE the wrong way, most likely someone at camp.  SO WHY DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID AND GO AHEAD AND SAY IT?????

The last thing you want to do on Survivor is stand out as someone annoying or prejudiced.  It puts a huge target on you.  The only explanation that possibly makes any sense is that they're being encouraged by production to create drama somehow.  Nobody is this completely stupid and lacking in self-awareness.  Dan was the same way at the start.  Mouthy and belligerent.  These are people he didn't even know and he was being rude and talking down to them.

I know it's a whole lot easier to be judgmental when you're sitting on your couch, properly nourished, comfortable, and not wracked with paranoia, but still.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 19, 2015, 02:13:00 PM
Yeah, the reshuffle is probably the most lop-sided I've seen, and they often end up lop-sided. Could it have been more lop-sided? I genuinely don't think it could have been.
That blue team is going to dominate physical challenges, as they did in that episode. It seemed early to merge down to two teams. I thought they held off longer in the past before doing that.

I was fine with both votes. The chick was annoying and loud, and the hipster was pretty worthless. They really need to get rid of Rodney, but I'm not sure how soon that team is going to lose now. You can't win with a social game by being a loud douchebag.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 20, 2015, 06:50:45 AM
Nope.  The amount of people who are coming off as completely socially inept this season is staggering.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2015, 03:52:37 PM
It might be the case of having more similar personality types per team this season, especially when you've got a bunch of alphas around. I don't think the reshuffle helped there either, if anything it probably made it worse for the blue team.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 22, 2015, 02:15:20 PM
Just caught the latest episode. I know Will, a couple of chicks from No Collar are cool, but otherwise it is tough to find people to like on this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 23, 2015, 09:54:34 PM
Finally caught the double episode. I agree with the sentiment that the two team merge was one of the most lopsided merges in the shows history. I don't even think the red team will compete in challenges that are supposed to be geared towards the mental aspect....

One of my office pics was voted off...the Lindsay chic.  Oh well. But she's sorely mistaken if she thinks a blue collar is going to win it all. None of them are strong players.....save the UC Cop Kelly. She has the best shot out of them

Jenn cracks me up....her bluntness is funny to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 26, 2015, 01:16:02 AM
It would have been nice to see Rodney go, but the look of utter confusion on his face after that blindside was absolutely priceless.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 26, 2015, 09:15:50 AM
It sure was.  I didn't want ot see Joaquin go, I thought he was okay, but Rodney is a freakin' mess.  So utterly delusional, as demonstrated with Joaquin's exit.  It was kinda nice to see red win the reward challenge on their own merit, giving Shirin AND Will opportunities to redeem themselves a little.  And the throw in the immunity challenge was almost too obvious, but maybe that's just because watching at home we already knew it was happening.  Maybe from the mat, it wasn't all that apparent.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 26, 2015, 09:19:13 AM
With the dialogue levels boosted, it appeared really obvious as a home viewer, but if you were only seeing it from the mat without hearing what was going on, it might not have been so noticeable. I had the same thought though.

I didn't have a problem with Joaquin either, it only brought me joy as a blow to Rodney's ego.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 26, 2015, 09:20:54 AM
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Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2015, 11:02:07 AM
I guess the only real question at this point is:

How many Tapout shirts does Rodney own?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 30, 2015, 11:07:44 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

No shit.  Such a douche.

Bro.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2015, 12:11:22 PM
I know, bro.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 30, 2015, 09:49:10 PM
Finally caught up....yeah, the throw was obvious to the viewer....it was bad acting. Curious as to how noticeable it was to the contestants. Anyway.....I Think Joaquin was the right call because Rodney will certainly write his own ticket home...he's incapable of the social game. Joes a threat now that they've merged big time. I have a feeling he might win three or four individual immunity idols.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 01, 2015, 08:38:10 PM
That was awesome! One of the few times a played idol completely threw the vote back at the 'dominant' teams vote. So cool!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 01, 2015, 09:15:12 PM
There's nothing more satisfying than playing the idol when it really saves your ass, and that was the biggest save I've seen, so Jen was smart to play it. Wouldn't it have sucked to go home when the vote was that one sided? :lol

It's also nice to again see Rodney have the vote not go his way too. That's two weeks in a row now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 01, 2015, 09:27:33 PM
. Joes a threat now that they've merged big time. I have a feeling he might win three or four individual immunity idols.

That's one.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 01, 2015, 09:30:40 PM
1/3 of the way there!
They try to mix up the immunity challenges to not entirely favour one particular skill, and winning that many challenges would just put a target on him the second he loses one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 02, 2015, 07:16:13 AM
1/3 of the way there!
They try to mix up the immunity challenges to not entirely favour one particular skill, and winning that many challenges would just put a target on him the second he loses one.

Well he's voted out the second he isn't immune. He's that big a threat in the challenges. I think he's proven he is a top competitor in whatever challenge they throw out there.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 02, 2015, 07:28:55 AM
Absolutely.  They've all made it quite clear, it seems, that he's out ASAP.  I was totally hoping he'd win and throw their whole plan out of whack.  And yeah, playing the idol and turning everything upside down was BEAUTIFUL.  So perfect.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 02, 2015, 07:42:14 AM
Like Blob said....I think that is the first time the idol truly saved a person who was clearly going to be voted out on a massively lopsided vote. that's what made it so awesome.....along with that taunting laugh that Jenn through in there as she witnessed their plan fail and hers work perfectly!!! :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 02, 2015, 07:47:19 AM
Yep, it was extremely satisfying to watch.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 02, 2015, 08:04:08 AM
Also, DUMBEST TRIBE NAME EVER.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 02, 2015, 08:06:01 AM
Also, DUMBEST TRIBE NAME EVER.

yep. that was a major  :facepalm:    Just like.....REALLY?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 02, 2015, 08:08:08 AM
I thought (I could be mistaken) that they used to try to at least familiarize them with a little bit of local dialect or words or something or other, so that they could make a tribe name that sounds like it belongs.  Now they've got

Merica

So dumb.  Shirin's confessional bit about the name was priceless.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:12:02 PM
As a non-Merican, I find that tribe name hilarious. :lol

And yes, seeing that vote go down was very satisfying, with Rodney looking around with that confused dipshit look I'm sure he's well practiced at by now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 08, 2015, 06:42:59 PM
Dan and Rodney both need to STFU and GTFO. Both have been dicks since day one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 08, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
. Joes a threat now that they've merged big time. I have a feeling he might win three or four individual immunity idols.

That's one.....

The reward challenge and Immunity #2.....

I was hoping they'd vote Dan out but had a suspicion Tyler wasn't going to flip. I bought the girl power thing though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 08, 2015, 09:37:14 PM
So happy to see Joe win immunity again, but very irked to see Dan stay. Very irritating.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 08, 2015, 09:46:41 PM
So happy to see Joe win immunity again, but very irked to see Dan stay. Very irritating.

Thought they did a poor job trying to flip the others. I mean, I bought what's her names word when she said she'd go all girl vote against Joe because of how he treated her. But they made no effort to flip anyone.

I don't see how it turns out good for Joe, Jenn and their gang now. Hopefully Joe and Jenn can at least make it to Jury so they can enjoy Ponderosa a bit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 09, 2015, 12:43:17 AM
I'm so glad Joe won immunity again, but he'll be gone as soon as he loses a challenge, unless something drastic changes in the meantime.

Is it just me or is Rodney somehow getting even more annoying? Damn, I just wanted to punch that dude in the face the entire episode. That look of entitlement he had when Joe was selecting people for the reward, and then that look after he wasn't selected was just super douchery.

And can Dan spell? That immunity challenge was embarrassing. :lol Can you read those words? No? Then you're not finished, idiot!

What's the deal with the jury? I thought usually everyone after the merge goes into the jury, but this week was the first. Is this one less jury member than usual, or did they merge a week earlier than usual, or is this how they usually do it and I'm just an idiot?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 11, 2015, 06:18:44 AM
You're just an idiot.

Yes, the future looks bleak, because none of my favored players are on the side with numbers.

I dunno WTF Will is doing.  Come on, buddy, wake up.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 11, 2015, 06:20:25 AM
You're just an idiot.

Personal attack! Reported to the mods.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 11, 2015, 06:22:48 AM
You're just an idiot.

Personal attack! Reported to the mods.
I'll get right on that.

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Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 11, 2015, 06:23:18 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 11, 2015, 06:25:52 AM
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Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 11, 2015, 09:55:49 PM
:rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2015, 10:08:15 PM
 :'( Sad to see Joe go....but everyone knew the second they could vote him out he was gone. Jenn went from being a favorite of mine to a dumbass. I will never understand players who want to quit....never. I get its mentally and physically exhausting but jeez.....millions of people would love to be there doing that.

Rodney's impressions were killing me  :lol they were spot on.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 15, 2015, 10:18:24 PM
I was disappointed to see Joe go too, especially when you've got a player who doesn't even want to be there. You can't half-ass Survivor. We knew he'd go as soon as he lost, and he just couldn't quite pull it off tonight.

I don't think Mike bought that hidden immunity idol for a second, but it's always amusing to see people try to bluff an idol.

And did anybody else notice the Wilhelm scream sound effect when Will slid down the ramp into the water during the reward challenge? :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 16, 2015, 07:41:35 AM
I was also bummed to see Joe go.  With every week that goes by, Dan irritates me even more.  I will say that for as much as Rodney and his brobrobrobrobrobrobrobro has irritated the living shit out of me, his impressions last night were pretty damned good.  The chocolate reward was cool.  It does kinda irritate me when they make product placement things like this so obvious, though.  Not sure what to make of Jenn, but someone vote her out, so we don't have to listen to it anymore.  This waffling between wanting to stay and not is dumb.  It's the dream of many (as noted) to do this and you're complaining about it.  GTFO.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 22, 2015, 09:31:09 PM
Much to my amazement, I'm actually rooting for Mike to win. Also, Will sucks.  He's only still there so someone else will have an easier win in the end.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 22, 2015, 09:46:24 PM
I like Mike since breaking from Rodney, and as always it becomes the guy who needs immunity having to constantly chase immunity. :lol Let's count the weeks.

I didn't like how they crammed the entire food auction into the opening segment, and skimmed over half of it. It kind of downplays it as run of the mill. An interesting twist with that first hidden item though. They didn't seem to have as many items this time, and not as interesting, or maybe it just seemed that way because they skimmed it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 23, 2015, 07:59:24 AM
And if I recall, Shirin wasn't even one of the people we saw questioning Will's honesty, at least not on screen.  Then Tyler blames Mike, Jenn, and Shirin, and Will comes back and unloads specifically on Shirin.  What a shithead.  Not cool to go off all personally like that.

I guarantee there's going to be a shithead winning it this year.  At least by my opinion of them.  :lol  I'm completely down to see Mike or Shirin win, despite how much they irritated me in the beginning.  And yep, Mike will have to fight constantly to survive now.  At least he still has the hidden immunity idol.  I just can't wrap my head around Mike voting with all the shitheads last week to get rid of joe, and now being on the outs with all of them, and NEEDING Joe's vote not, more than ever.  Again, it probably won't matter.  Mike and Shirin will be the next people out and we'll be left with a very unsatisfying winner.  The spoiler for next week seems to indicate that Tyler may flip, but I don't buy it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 24, 2015, 11:26:35 AM
According to Jenn's exit interview with John Cochran, we only saw a little bit of Will's tirade.  Apparently it was much more than what we saw.

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/news/1004098/season-30-s-spunkiest-player-heads-to-ponderosa-jenn-reveals-why-she-s-not-a-quitter-and-what-brings-her-to-tears/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 24, 2015, 11:39:59 AM
My DVR malfunctioned and didn't record the show so my co-worker gave me a play by play. Sounds like I missed Will being a dick and Mike ticking off his alliance. At this point I really don't like a specific player and am really only rooting for Tyler because he's who I drew in the office pool....so I guess it's 'go Tyler' for me from here on out. Jenn and Joe were my favs but they're absent now...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 24, 2015, 11:48:41 AM
If you like, you can watch the full episode on CBS' website:

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2015, 03:42:14 PM
I don't blame Will for being upset at a false accusation, but he definitely went too far.

We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 25, 2015, 05:28:50 PM
I don't blame him either for being upset at a false accusation, and I can maybe understand going off at camp. To double down at TC and mock her still, when she's discussing being a victim of abuse is entirely over the limits of acceptability.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2015, 05:43:45 PM
I don't blame him either for being upset at a false accusation, and I can maybe understand going off at camp. To double down at TC and mock her still, when she's discussing being a victim of abuse is entirely over the limits of acceptability.
Yep.  Doesn't sound like the Will I know, who was always sweet candy.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 25, 2015, 07:52:39 PM
I don't blame him either for being upset at a false accusation, and I can maybe understand going off at camp. To double down at TC and mock her still, when she's discussing being a victim of abuse is entirely over the limits of acceptability.
Yep.  Doesn't sound like the Will I know, who was always sweet candy.

My mood would probably be a bit different too if I spent a month living with minimal shelter, barely any food or sleep, and a bunch of people plotting against each other. :lol
It might have just been a straw that broke the camel's back situation. We only see what ends up on TV.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 25, 2015, 08:33:13 PM
That's the.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2015, 01:02:15 AM
Mike continues his winning streak for another week!

That was a hell of a tribal. I think Mike played it smart. He knew he was safe this week, but he was thinking ahead to finding the cracks in the main alliance. Showing the idol before the vote meant they had to consider voting between themselves, and they also know he has an idol for next time. Luckily the bluff didn't get Shirin offside for a final jury vote.

I can't wait for Dan to use his extra vote. At this point, he can change the game easily. Let's see if he's smart enough to use it right.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
At this point I'm rooting for Mike, Momma C or Tyler. Mike because I can't stand anyone else that is left.....Momma C because out of the people I can't stand she's the least bothersome and she's played a pretty good game......and Tyler because he's my office pool player and could land me $200 if he wins..
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2015, 09:18:08 AM
Boy, if/when Mike goes, my interest level would drop to almost zero. As long as Rodney doesn't win it, I guess I'd be ok with almost anyone else. I can't recall Tyler doing anything to bug me, so I guess he'd be my next pick?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 30, 2015, 09:40:08 AM
Yeah, that was a crazy tribal council.  It's funny how tastes swing over time.  Initially I didn't care for Shirin as much (probably because they portrayed her as a little nuts) and Mike I just didn't really like.  Now, Mike is the only person I want to see win it.  Dan SLIGHTLY redeemed himself by apologizing to Shirin for something he had no part in...

Until it gets to his confessional interview and he pretty much says it's all her fault.

So yeah, I still can't stand Dan either.  And I could've been convinced to dismiss Will's actions as an in the moment tirade, due to frustration, exhaustion, hunger, etc., had it been confined to just that outburst.  But he doubled down on it at TC last week, and when pressed about it again this week, he is still unrepentant and refuses to apologize.

So yeah, it was really excellent to see Mike point out at the end of TC "Dan still got two votes".  Proving what he's been saying to Dan and Sierra ALL ALONG.  I wonder if they'll listen to him NOW.  It may not matter now.  Had they listened to him before, when Shirin was still around, they had a better chance.  If Dan and Sierra go with Mike, it's 4-3 (4-4 with Dan's two votes).  This indeed WILL make the use of Dan's two votes very interesting.  I can't wait to see how it goes down.  As much as I can't stand him, I really hope he does the right thing and takes out Rodney.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2015, 09:44:57 AM
Anyone been watching the Ponderosa episodes? They're always neat....but this year they are 'shot' in a different way.....it has an actual 'show' feel rather than the grainy....off the cuff shooting style that they've been in the past. It looks like they are setting up shots now....really focusing in on the characters and what not. I preferred the 'old' off the cuff...behind the scenes look rather than this look they've adopted this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2015, 09:46:40 AM
I always forget to check out the Ponderosa episodes once it gets to the jury end of the season, but I enjoy those. I haven't seen any this season, but it sounds like a shame that they changed it. I liked seeing more raw footage of them fresh out of the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 30, 2015, 10:00:05 AM
I did check out Jenn's arrival to Ponderosa.  I loved the little shrine they set up for her arrival, complete with a bottle of Jack Daniels.  So awesome.  Watching them toast and her drink of choice was the bottle of Jack - Jenn's all right in my book.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2015, 03:07:19 PM
Yeah....Jenn's a pretty cool chick it seems. She's funnier that sh%t  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2015, 03:22:10 AM
I don't understand what you guys like about Mike.  He's a dick, and has been all season. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 02, 2015, 03:39:05 AM
I don't understand what you guys like about Mike.  He's a dick, and has been all season. 

Well he's against Rodney's alliance, which is a huge plus, and I guess there's the underdog factor now, and there aren't really many alternatives at this point in the game. He hasn't been so bad since splitting from Rodney's group.
Who are you liking at this point, hef?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 02, 2015, 06:22:28 AM
I think that's it. I didn't like Mike, initially. But I like Dan and Rodney less.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2015, 08:00:02 AM
I didn't like Mike, initially, and none of his actions since have endeared him to me in any way.

I didn't like Dan initially, but I like him better now.

I like (and know) Will, but there's no way he wins; he doesn't seem to have plan whatsoever.

I dunno, one of the chicks, I guess.  The players I liked best are already gone (Joe & Jenn).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 06, 2015, 07:10:56 PM
I really didn't see that coming. Thought for certain Dan was going home.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2015, 10:42:13 PM
They probably figured Tyler was more of a legitimate continual threat, while Dan's only a threat because he bought a vote, and he seems less likely to make a big move.
And god, Rodney is such a self entitled child. Throwing a tantrum and getting pissy because he wasn't handed the reward BECAUSE IT WAS HIS BIRTHDAY. Grow the fuck up, idiot.

I love the idea of fans voting on who returns for a second chance season, but as there are multiple people from this season on the list, isn't that a spoiler for who isn't winning?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 07, 2015, 07:09:12 AM
Here's an idea Rodney - you haven't received a reward because you haven't WON one.  You aren't entitled to jack shit, moron.

So now, it will get really interesting.  Now is when Dan can use his advantage to considerable power, since Rodney's alliance appears to now be lower in numbers (given that Carolyn and Sierra voted for Tyler).  Now of course that could all change by next week.  It's one of the things that makes Survivor such a dynamic and interesting show.  You can always speculate what could happen or what should happen, but shit changes from minute to minute.

I checked out the contestants to vote for.  I couldn't remember at least half of them.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 07, 2015, 07:32:06 AM
I checked out the contestants to vote for.  I couldn't remember at least half of them.

Neither could I, although I went many years without watching the show.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 07, 2015, 07:33:01 AM
I started watching in 2006, so some of these people I most definitely saw and still have no clue who they are.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2015, 07:35:07 AM
So, my DVR didn't record again....I'm gathering Tyler was sent home?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 07, 2015, 07:40:44 AM
Rodney's team didn't win reward challenge.  It was his birthday and he got all pissy that nobody would give their reward to him, when he hasn't had one yet.  He talked about it the whole episode.

Rodney wanted to "blindside" Mike by insisting he was done and wanted to be voted out, etc.  Thinking it would make Mike feel safe and not play his idol.  Mike saw through this immediately and told Rodney he wasn't writing his name down.  Mike ALMOST won the immunity challenge, but in the end, Carolyn won.  The idea was for 4 of the alliance to vote Mike out, to get rid of his II, two to vote Dan, who would leave, thereby getting rid of his two vote advantage without it being used against them.  Somehow, Mike managed to convince Carolyn and Sierra that this was the perfect time to get rid of Tyler.

With that, if you do wanna watch it, you can see it here:

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2015, 07:42:39 AM
Rodney's team didn't win reward challenge.  It was his birthday and he got all pissy that nobody would give their reward to him, when he hasn't had one yet.  He talked about it the whole episode.

Rodney wanted to "blindside" Mike by insisting he was done and wanted to be voted out, etc.  Thinking it would make Mike feel safe and not play his idol.  Mike saw through this immediately and told Rodney he wasn't writing his name down.  Mike ALMOST won the immunity challenge, but in the end, Carolyn won.  The idea was for 4 of the alliance to vote Mike out, to get rid of his II, two to vote Dan, who would leave, thereby getting rid of his two vote advantage without it being used against them.  Somehow, Mike managed to convince Carolyn and Sierra that this was the perfect time to get rid of Tyler.

With that, if you do wanna watch it, you can see it here:

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/

Ahh...bummer in the aspect of my office pool player is out now. In my mind that puts Momma C in the drivers seat to win the game.....her or Mike??
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 07, 2015, 07:44:31 AM
I don't foresee any way Mike gets to the end unless he wins immunity or finds more idols.  I feel like this week was a fluke.  Everybody is still threatened by him.  As I said earlier, he really irritated me in the beginning, but for some reason, he's the only person I want to see win, now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2015, 07:49:53 AM
I don't foresee any way Mike gets to the end unless he wins immunity or finds more idols.  I feel like this week was a fluke.  Everybody is still threatened by him.  As I said earlier, he really irritated me in the beginning, but for some reason, he's the only person I want to see win, now.

It's the 'underdog' effect.  :lol  For me, when I see one person being ganged up on by everyone I start to root for them....plus, he kind of 'puts up' when the challenges come around and really gives max effort to win.

I really don't have a clear cut person I'm rooting for now.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 07, 2015, 07:55:11 AM
I'm sure that has a lot to do with it, but I suspect an equal amount of it has more to do with how much MORE I dislike Rodney and Dan.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 07, 2015, 07:57:15 AM
I don't foresee any way Mike gets to the end unless he wins immunity or finds more idols.  I feel like this week was a fluke.  Everybody is still threatened by him.  As I said earlier, he really irritated me in the beginning, but for some reason, he's the only person I want to see win, now.

With the central alliance starting to weaken, it's not impossible for Mike to survive a little longer. As you said earlier, the game can change so quickly, and it doesn't take much for someone else to become the immediate target (like Dan with the extra vote).
Mike is good in challenges, so it's not impossible that he could win more, I think this week's challenge just favoured the smaller competitors given that they've probably lost some muscle and had to support their own weight. No surprise the big guys went first.

Mike really is the only person left I'm remotely interested in seeing win it now. Once he's gone, I'm mostly indifferent to the rest of the season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2015, 07:58:58 AM
I dislike Rodney and Dan.

Both are annoying....certainly. I'm always weary of the way these shows are edited and how they choose to portray these guys on TV....but man, I don't know if it'd matter with those two....they are just something.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 07, 2015, 08:00:47 AM
Dan doesn't seem to realize that the sooner he uses his advantage, the sooner he stops being a target.

Both are annoying....certainly. I'm always weary of the way these shows are edited and how they choose to portray these guys on TV....but man, I don't know if it'd matter with those two....they are just something.

Sure, I have no doubt that editing does a number on these people.  Look at how they portrayed Shirin as bat-shit crazy at the beginning, then it changed and we didn't seem to be as easily irritated by her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 07, 2015, 08:26:49 AM
Sure, I have no doubt that editing does a number on these people.  Look at how they portrayed Shirin as bat-shit crazy at the beginning, then it changed and we didn't seem to be as easily irritated by her.

I'm pretty sure it's not editing that made her appear to walk around pantsless. :P
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 07, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Well, yeah, there was that, but she did explain that in her Ponderosa interviews.  I think it was something along the lines of Her underpants needing cleaned, she boiled them, and what was she supposed to do in the meantime?  Something like that.  But she was also just portrayed as generally annoying overall, talking about the animals mating and making a big deal out of it and never shutting up, etc.

Which reminds me, I need to go watch Tyler's arrival at Ponderosa.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 08:05:36 AM
I'm not sure what's going to happen.  I don't like Mike, but I admire the way he is playing.

Most of the rest, I just don't like.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rodney and/or Will make it to the finals.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 13, 2015, 09:15:49 PM
THAT WAS FUCKING GLORIOUS!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 13, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
THAT WAS FUCKING GLORIOUS!!

For sure! This season...more than any other, has yielded (2) awesome immunity idol plays. They've been played how I envision they were 'meant' to be played.....just utterly ruining a vote and turning it upside down. That was fantastic!

Out of the remaining players I'd like to see Mike or Momma C win it.....not really a fan of any of the rest of them. I don't think Hef's boy Will has done Jack squat to earn the 'W'....he's just been along for the ride trying to make it to the end....Rodney's a D Bag......that other chic hasn't done much. Mike and Momma C are the only two left who've 'done' anything. The others are just bodies to take to the end.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2015, 10:41:52 PM
Yes, another idol played perfectly. So fitting for Dan to accomplish nothing with his extra vote. I loved the head shake when he realized he'd basically wasted it.
And Carolyn is officially done with that alliance after trying to vote her out.

Again Rodney was a total douchebag. He keeps dropping blatant hints that he wants to get handed a reward because he hasn't been good enough to win one, and then when Carolyn doesn't hand it to him, he vows revenge. wtf? Taking revenge on someone for not giving you something you didn't earn or deserve is the height of self centered arrogance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2015, 06:32:10 AM
I find it baffling that people 'expect' for someone who's won a reward to hand it over to them? I mean....WTF? When did that become an obligation that someone has to swap out and hand their reward over? It's crazy to think that people can get upset because someone didn't hand their reward over to them....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 14, 2015, 07:04:56 AM
Most of this season has sucked.  The two big in your face HII plays were the only moments that made me want to jump up and down like "Yes, this is the kind of season it should have been all along!!"  I hope when Dan watched all of this back he realized what a condescending piece of shit he'd been.  THE UNMITIGATED GALL.  Dick.  He was all burned up that Mike had the gall to suggest that he could save him and that Mike was being condescending.  DAN CALLED MIKE CONDESCENDING.  Think about that.  WTF, dude?

And Rodney is a complete nutjob.  In other seasons, people have given up their rewards for strategic reasons, to gain favor with others in the event they needed their vote in the end.  Never has this entitlement been such an issue as with Rodney.  Mike was like "Um, you want a reward?  Then win it."  Damn straight.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 14, 2015, 07:34:02 AM
Yep, there's no strategy to his whining, it's nothing but self entitlement. The only reason he gets away with it is because he's surrounded by deadbeats in this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 14, 2015, 07:36:45 AM
Deadbeats who seem happy to allow him to coast along and go right to the end and win.

Also, good riddance Dan.  I can't say it enough.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 14, 2015, 07:47:51 AM
Dan's Ponderosa:

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/Vpm9aDwYuj8nJkOq5cHdNFddUyRRCRjf/survivor-ponderosa-dan/

Among other things, he calls himself a hero, says that calling him stubborn is a mis-characterization, says maybe he should've been more of a jerk, and considers himself very self-aware.  Wow.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 14, 2015, 09:12:54 PM
Dan's Ponderosa:

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/Vpm9aDwYuj8nJkOq5cHdNFddUyRRCRjf/survivor-ponderosa-dan/

Among other things, he calls himself a hero, says that calling him stubborn is a mis-characterization, says maybe he should've been more of a jerk, and considers himself very self-aware.  Wow.

That dude is insane! How wrong can you be about yourself? Wow says it all.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 18, 2015, 07:39:24 AM
Finally caught this yesterday.

LOL

I don't want to like Mike, based on how he played earlier in the game, but he is playing incredibly well.  And that tribal council was awesome.

I think Will and/or Rodney are both good choices to take to the finals, because there is no way in hell either of them wins the prize (dammit Will).

We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2015, 09:19:40 AM
Right, that seems to be a common theme.  No love for Mike early on, but a combination of underdog syndrome and the fact that he's doing VERY well now make it hard NOT to want him to win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2015, 09:27:28 AM
Right, that seems to be a common theme.  No love for Mike early on, but a combination of underdog syndrome and the fact that he's doing VERY well now make it hard NOT to want him to win.

Not only that....but the reasons everyone is calling him a 'psycho' are for him telling all of them what's going on in the game....who's doing what....and they think he's 'crazy' but he actually has been nailing it head on.

At this point for me it'd be a disappointment for him NOT to win. Sure Momma C has played a good game as well.....but I'd rather see Mike win given the odds he's had to overcome with them wanting him out for so long. It's one of those two who will win because it's between those two on the immunity challenges.....the others left suck both physically and mentally.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2015, 09:10:38 PM
Very satisfying outcome although I thought Mike was an idiot for taking Momma C to the end. I'm surprised at the lack of votes she garnered. But, I think the right person won.

And, the second chance seaso is STACKED! Fighter Pilot Terry baby  :metal the single worst tragedy ever on Survivor was Aras winning that season and not Fighter Pilot Terry. He dominated everyone the entire time only to be screwed by a water balance challenge designed for an 80 pound woman. Can't wait to watch next season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 21, 2015, 02:54:06 AM
I haven't watched the reunion yet, but I'm so glad Mike won! He thoroughly deserved it for playing so hard. I don't blame him for his social game suffering towards the end, because that was largely on the alliance. He would not have won if he hadn't won both of those immunity challenges, so it was sooooo good to see him win those.

Not one of the better final tribals, but they voted the right way. I was starting to worry near the end there that maybe Mike wasn't a shoe-in, but luckily he still won quite easily. There's always one who doesn't have a chance (Will), then one who has a slight chance, and the one who is the obvious winner.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 21, 2015, 06:30:33 AM
That was satisfying.  Watching the look on Dan's face at the last couple TCs was awesome.  He was pouty and pissed off.  What a jerk.  Hell, they should've given Jenn a million for calling the jury out on being bitter sour-grapes assholes (well, some of them anyway).  That was a great speech.  Mike was just absolutely unstoppable and it was fantastic to see in a fairly ho-hum season full of awful people.  Dan, Will, and Rodney were (for me) awful television.  I wanted to punch Dan in the mouth from the first episode and I never stopped feeling that way.  He was a dick from the minute they hit the beach.

That final immunity challenge was bad ass.  I mean all of them were completely wiped the fuck OUT by the end.  That staircase was BRUTAL.  Then there was the absolutely ridiculously awesome art design on the compass maze challenge.  Their challenge design department, while they sometimes recycle challenges or come up with a clunker here and there, are usually completely on fire.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 21, 2015, 06:34:28 AM
That maze looked epic from above. The bit with the stairs was largely recycled, but it was still a good challlenge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 21, 2015, 07:13:30 AM
I thought it was a pretty great finale for a somewhat ho-hum season (although there were moments of awesomeness that rivaled anything I've seen before on the show).  Mike was definitely the most deserving, and I agree, Cozmo, Jenn's speech was wonderful.

Holy crap, that season of returning players will be awesome.  So glad they let the fans select who got to participate.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 21, 2015, 07:24:39 AM
One such moment of unforgettable awesomeness was Mike's immunity win, coupled with Carolyn's II play, that sent Dan out the door.  I'm still loving that one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 21, 2015, 07:28:43 AM
One such moment of unforgettable awesomeness was Mike's immunity win, coupled with Carolyn's II play, that sent Dan out the door.  I'm still loving that one.
Indeed.  That was glorious.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 21, 2015, 09:55:03 AM
I finally finished off the reunion, and seeing who got voted for the next season. Some people I don't know from earlier seasons, and plenty I know and like from more recent seasons. I think the next season will be fantastic with these players.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2015, 04:37:01 PM
I think the next season will be fantastic with these players.

It has the potential to be one of....if not, the best season ever! Did I tell you guys how excited I am about Fighter Pilot Terry being back??

:panicattack:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on May 23, 2015, 06:41:00 PM
Finally caught up with Survivor, I loved it! I loved that Mike won, I loved it each time he won the immunity necklace. I was so glad Wil came nowhere, Rodney and MamaC did not deserve the win, making fire pretty much proved that....glad she bet Rodney though.

The challenges toward the end were fantastic, I expected Mike to injure himself on the slides, the maze was great, I feel I would have been crap at that one.  ::)

Great end, and looking forward to next season, I know only half the players, great way to end one season is introduce the new cast for the next one.   :smiley:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 14, 2015, 09:46:59 AM
Next Wednesday (9/23), Survivor is BACK!  Amazing Race premieres that Friday (9/25).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 14, 2015, 09:49:37 AM
Can't wait! It's a good mix of players returning, not just the obvious favourites and hellraisers.

And I might even watch The Amazing Race this season!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 14, 2015, 09:51:29 AM
We've been following along with Big Brother and it's been kinda meh.  Love the show, but they've got to do something to really seriously shake it up.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 14, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Fighter Pilot Terry!!!!  :metal     
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 23, 2015, 06:36:23 PM
WOOHOO! Just started watching. This is gonna be awesome!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 23, 2015, 07:56:53 PM
Dammit. Not pleased with how that turned out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 23, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Dammit. Not pleased with how that turned out.

For returning players that was a retarded first vote. Immediately weaken your team physically and at the same time keep a lady on it who you know is going to cause crap the entire time? Just dumb....utterly dumb. It sucks to because I like a lot of those 'old school' guys like Woo and Terry but they are F'd it seems because the young punks are running things for the moment.....thanks to the 'old school' baby who "can't keep up" with things....and you see from the previews he immediately has regrets about keeping that psycho bit%h.

anyway....I thought the immunity idol location and clue was pretty cool and a nice switch up. And the immediate tribal was a tad unexpected but neat.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 23, 2015, 08:38:47 PM
The quick-grab of the idol (now awesomely hidden AT the challenge) was excellent. Abi Maria is a gigantic pain in the ass. So irritated she's still there. And the immediate TC was a shocker.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 23, 2015, 08:42:51 PM
I'm surprised that Kelly was used to try and fetch the key. That's a lot of upper arm strength and it's not a secret that guys are physically stronger than girls.....I'd have had Spencer or Woo or even Terry in there from the start. that was a bad call on their part IMO
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 23, 2015, 08:45:59 PM
Mu office pool players this season. $10 buy in per person in the 'main' pool (payout is $100/$50/$50) I have Kieth and Ciera. $10 for (2) people in The 'B' pool (Payout is $50/$25/$25) I have Monica and Spencer.

I have no hopes for Monica, Ciera has the chance to make it to the merge......Keith or Spencer 'could' win it I think if things fall in to line for them. There's just so many good players it's a crap shoot I think.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 23, 2015, 10:00:37 PM
Anyone notice Stephen referring to himself as a fish back out of water? Clever.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 23, 2015, 11:18:38 PM
I'm surprised Vytas went before Abi (and disappointed because she's clearly still the same bitch she was last time). I wonder if the tribal councils will all be directly after challenges, or if this was just a one off to shake it up? Not sure how I'd feel about that.

It's an interesting twist with the immunity idol too. Assuming that's the standard this season, I hope the idol gets played enough that people catch on to how it works, and teams get paranoid during challenges watching each other. :lol

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 26, 2015, 05:37:02 AM
Finally watched the first episode last night.

Starting off with a bang!  I like a lot of players on both teams, so I anticipate a fun season!

I liked how the immunity idol was hidden during the challenge.  I was starting to wonder if she was going to have the balls to go and get it or not.

The vote did NOT go the way I wanted.  Not sure why they voted off Vytas.  They will regret not getting rid of Abi when they had the chance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 26, 2015, 07:51:01 AM
I hope they continue the immunity idol theme.....changing it up a bit. That is a neat twist.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 26, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
Agreed, hiding it AT the challenge is a great twist.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 30, 2015, 09:09:17 PM
At first I was concerned for Terry that he decided to go out and talk to Abi....but alas....he put himself and that alliance in a good spot. bummed for that tribe to have lost again but it appears it doesn't matter as they are going to three tribes next week. I'm curious as to what that random buff grab will produce in terms of tribes. I hope they are 'even' in nature and there is no real 'power house'.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 30, 2015, 10:27:29 PM
Have they ever switched to more tribes before? I'd expect them to start with 3 and merge to 2 as they've done before; seems odd to do it at this point. The shuffles often turn out lop-sided, so we'll see how that goes.

I'm glad Shirin went instead of Spencer. I like Spencer.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 01, 2015, 06:46:19 AM
I'm sad that Abi is still there.  What a psycho bitch.

Although I am certainly aware of the strategic value of keeping a psycho bitch on the team.

It just sucks for the viewer, because she is awful.

Sucks for Shirin.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 01, 2015, 07:13:44 AM
Abi is the human shield you carry along with you to deflect everything you can until she's outlived her usefulness.  Very irritating for the viewer.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 02, 2015, 11:31:46 AM
Wow.  Two interesting things left out of this week's episode of Survivor that were pretty interesting to find out after the fact:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2015/10/survivor-cambodia-editing-deleted-these-two-things/

Apparently everyone wanted to vote out Spencer, Shirin tried to protect him by telling the others that Varner was screwing everyone over and tried to get him out, they ratted her out, and Varner took her out instead.  Not exactly the story we saw, but the link explains it all in more detail.

Now the best part?  Between finding that she was voted out and having her torch snuffed, another thing we didn't see.  This:

Quote
“I said, ‘Terry has the idol, by the way, guys.’ And then everyone starts freaking out, I keep walking up to Jeff. And then Varner’s like, ‘What do you mean? Tell us how do you know!’ And so I start making up stories: I’m like, I saw him digging and burying it, that’s how I caught him. And then I thought Probst, at this point, was going to yell at me. Because as you probably know, he gets pretty strict. I turn around and look at Probst; he this big grin on his face, and he’s like, ‘Anything else?’ … I was doing it to open a door for Kelley and Spencer to stay in there.”

THAT is awesome!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 02, 2015, 07:39:16 PM
Wow.  Two interesting things left out of this week's episode of Survivor that were pretty interesting to find out after the fact:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2015/10/survivor-cambodia-editing-deleted-these-two-things/

Apparently everyone wanted to vote out Spencer, Shirin tried to protect him by telling the others that Varner was screwing everyone over and tried to get him out, they ratted her out, and Varner took her out instead.  Not exactly the story we saw, but the link explains it all in more detail.

Now the best part?  Between finding that she was voted out and having her torch snuffed, another thing we didn't see.  This:

Quote
“I said, ‘Terry has the idol, by the way, guys.’ And then everyone starts freaking out, I keep walking up to Jeff. And then Varner’s like, ‘What do you mean? Tell us how do you know!’ And so I start making up stories: I’m like, I saw him digging and burying it, that’s how I caught him. And then I thought Probst, at this point, was going to yell at me. Because as you probably know, he gets pretty strict. I turn around and look at Probst; he this big grin on his face, and he’s like, ‘Anything else?’ … I was doing it to open a door for Kelley and Spencer to stay in there.”

THAT is awesome!!

Any other player she did that to I'd agree but what a bitch move to one of the more upright players to ever play the game!! How dare she do that to Fighter Pilot Terry....little 'f'n  :censored   She was just ticked at him that he swooped in and swayed Abi...that's all.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2015, 04:06:15 AM
I don't care about upright.  This is Survivor.

I think it's awesome, and I wish they had shown it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 03, 2015, 11:55:47 AM
I don't care about upright.  This is Survivor.

I think it's awesome, and I wish they had shown it.

yeah...I should have used green font or something, my comment was more in jest and teasing/kidding intent than anything. Frankly, I'm surprised more people don't do that. If her comment impacted any of the other players attitudes towards Terry I'd imagine it will at least be described by them? But showing it would have been cool!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 07, 2015, 06:15:22 PM
Send Abi home, PLEASE!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 07, 2015, 07:08:07 PM
COME ON, WHAT THE FUCK??
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2015, 09:49:57 PM
Yeah the hell!

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 07, 2015, 10:26:29 PM
Man....Teflon Abi! Jeez.....and poor Woo really has no clue as to what's going on. He was like that in his first go around. Strong challenge player but not the most strategic of folk.

That team of Terry, Joe and gang may not lose a challenge.

I can see Spencer working his way into an alliance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 08, 2015, 07:41:09 AM
COME ON, WHAT THE FUCK??
Kind of this.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 08, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
Unfortunate shot or is production screwing with Probst?

https://twitter.com/realityblurred/status/652161356192321536

LOL
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 08, 2015, 11:29:33 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 14, 2015, 07:37:20 PM
That immunity challenge was brutal. Holy shit.

So at the very least, Abi has redeemed herself for like a second. But she still irritates the feck out of me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 14, 2015, 08:55:10 PM
That immunity challenge was brutal. Holy shit.

Was it ever. The losing team in particular was absolutely wiped out. I'm surprised they all finished the gathering section so close to each other. I'm also a little sus that Joe could see, because he was running around like crazy without instructions. :lol

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 15, 2015, 08:47:25 AM
Wow, Spencer took a beating in that challenge.  Brutal indeed.

I understand why they voted out Varner, but I fucking hate Abi and wish she were gone.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 21, 2015, 07:11:02 PM
BLINDSIDE! Holy shit, Monica looked like she'd been slapped in the face with a dead fish. Compete shock. Wow.

Also cool that Keith and Woo ended up winning both challenges for their teams.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 22, 2015, 08:23:44 AM
Yep.  Loved the blindside.  Makin' moves, makin' moves.

Although I am not fond of Ficshbach and wouldn't have minded seeing him go.  Especially after scoring for  another team!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 22, 2015, 08:30:08 AM
I thought that would work against him at TC in some way, but no.  As much as I want to see Abi go, I was glad to see Woo pull out wins for his team both times, maybe solidifying to his team why they need to keep him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 22, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
I thought that would work against him at TC in some way, but no. 

You'd think so, but they don't care at all about performance in challenges any more, unless they're too good.

Didn't care one way or another about this week's tribal result.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 22, 2015, 08:36:11 AM
Me either.  Monica had been mostly absent from pretty much other episode.  She shows up this episode to argue about getting too much clam from the ocean.  If you don't get it now, there's no guarantee it will be there tomorrow.  Her entire argument seemed very odd to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 28, 2015, 10:20:03 PM
I like both Woo and Spencer, but I''m glad they kept Spencer, because Woo has never been a good strategic player by any stretch.
It's sad that Terry had to leave under those circumstances, but that's a no brainer decision.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2015, 06:21:41 AM
Yeah, and I'm glad they included the tag at the end with the update and the explanation of what happened.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 29, 2015, 06:54:00 AM
I didn't see that. What did it say?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2015, 06:58:09 AM
He and his son appeared on a short update segment during the credits where Terry explained that his son had to have a heart transplant due to an enlarged heart and that everything's okay now and that when he went back on Survivor, this was his second chance, but now it's his son who's really the second chance survivor.

Full story on Danny Deitz here:

https://www.courant.com/sports/high-schools/hc-jacobs-column-0906-20150905-column.html
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 29, 2015, 07:03:30 AM
Damn, that's even more serious than I thought. No game is going to take priority over that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2015, 07:07:45 AM
We always record Survivor and start watching it about 20-30 minutes in, so we can FF through commercials.  Last night we were caught up by the time the "local cuisine" immunity challenge came around, so we were watching as it aired by then.  So gross yet so fun to watch.  Mrs. C. was thoroughly grossed out and was a little irritated that we'd caught up and couldn't FF through the challenge.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 29, 2015, 07:09:56 AM
:lol Every time they show the next "food", I'm just like NOPE.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2015, 07:11:37 AM
:lol  Yeah, I suppose when you're IN the moment, it's do or die.  If you don't do it, you're likely to be the one voted out if your tribe loses.  Had the winning tribe actually lost, I'd have damn sure hoped they'd have voted Kimmie out.  Though I understood her objections and why she refused, but still.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 29, 2015, 07:13:52 AM
I would have had the exact same reaction as her, but you don't go on Survivor unless you're prepared for that shit.
Although they don't seem to care too much about failing in challenges these days.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2015, 07:20:25 AM
Yeah, you do not go on Survivor unless you are a VERY good swimmer, have an iron stomach and no gag reflex, and (ideally) know how to build a fire without modern tools.  Therefore, I will never ever go on Survivor.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 29, 2015, 07:26:47 AM
I can't even run, let alone swim. :lol And being outdoors for that long would likely kill me. :blob:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2015, 07:33:20 AM
I'm getting better at the running part, but I'm lucky if I can get from one end of my pool to the other without freaking.  I haven't learned the part where you tilt your head to the side out of the water to take a breath and keep going.  I have meagerly managed to learn to doggy paddle just this summer.  And even that is a little shaky.  I panic instantaneously at even the slightest loss of even the tiniest bit of control when I'm in the water.  Mrs. C. isn't able to "get it", because she swims like a fish and has always been able to float and swim with complete and total ease.  She doesn't even have to TRY to float, she just does.  I guess built-in flotation devices will do that to a person, but still.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 29, 2015, 09:39:39 AM
I'm three weeks behind on the show....just been nutz in the gmillerdrake household and time for shows is limited. Hope to catch up soon....looks like it's still a neat season but I'm bummed to see Terry had to leave due to those circumstances.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2015, 09:42:24 AM
It was the very first thing that happened on last night's episode.  Middle of the night.  Interesting way to open the show.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 29, 2015, 09:49:27 AM
It was the very first thing that happened on last night's episode.  Middle of the night.  Interesting way to open the show.

dude can't catch a break in survivor. Utterly Dominate's his entire season only to lose his chance at the top two on a challenge CLEARLY designed for a 100 lb woman  ***cough cough Parviti cough cough***, gets voted out because everyone and their mother knew he was the BEST player and would win.....and now this.


Just not meant to be Terry......
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 29, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
I thought his attitude towards it was amazing.  As a parent, it would undoubtedly resonate more with you and hef than with me, though I would do the same for my step son.  Second chance at a bazillion dollars be damned, God himself could've come down in a fanfare of angels and unicorns and rainbows and said "Terry, don't go man!" and it wouldn't have kept Terry there.  Then at the end, saying that his son is the real second chance survivor.  Powerful stuff.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 29, 2015, 10:04:35 AM
It was a fun episode.  I always enjoy the eating contest lol

Sucks about Dietz, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I was OK with Woo going.  I like him, but he doesn't seem to actually play the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 04, 2015, 06:51:13 PM
Wow, the new individual immunity necklace is awesome!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2015, 09:26:21 PM
Wow, the new individual immunity necklace is awesome!

Joe looked like an Aztec King walking in to the Tribal Council  :lol Flowing hair and all....

I think he best watch out because the first chance they get they 'should' vote him out. Wasn't surprised they voted Kass out.....was surprised that Sierra voted for Savage though. That was odd if they were trying to get Tasha out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 04, 2015, 09:43:33 PM
I think that may have been some sort of F you vote.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
I think that may have been some sort of F you vote.

Oh for sure. It was just dumb on her part. Let's say Spencer did decide to vote Tasha with them? Then it doesn't work cuz she cast an 'FU' vote for Savage   I'm thinking that we didn't see a lot of what went down and it was really a no brainier that Kass was going home amongst them all. It was just desperately edited to give some sense of uncertainty.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 04, 2015, 11:15:04 PM
Wow, the new individual immunity necklace is awesome!

Joe looked like an Aztec King walking in to the Tribal Council  :lol Flowing hair and all....


All of that. :lol Much fancier than the usual carved wood look.

I was hoping either Ciera or Tasha would go, because I don't mind Kass.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2015, 07:42:02 AM
I don't mind Kass either, but I'm also OK with her going.

And Ciera was pretty right with everything she said at tribal.  Too many players play "not to lose" instead of "play to win".

Of course, it's a balancing act. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 05, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
I know it's way too early to get a clear idea of who is going to make it to the end....but I really think Keith has a good shot at being there. He's good at challenges...but not good enough to where he's going to dominate and be a 'marked' man (like Joe)....he doesn't run around scheming the whole time but yet he's always involved in sending home someone. He's just under the radar enough not to be considered a threat but he really is a threat.

I think that group of people are going to be so consumed with scheming and going after the 'threats' that the next thing you know he will be in the final four or five with a tight ally.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2015, 11:34:03 AM
Could be.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 11, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
Fuck! That sucks.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 11, 2015, 08:48:18 PM
Fuck! That sucks.

Well.....in a way it does. But in another way it's so cool to see the idol used effectively. It worked PERFECT for her, like it was designed to do. I don't see how Joe survives unless he finds an idol or just continues to win immunity.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 11, 2015, 10:16:16 PM
Fuck! That sucks.

Well.....in a way it does. But in another way it's so cool to see the idol used effectively. It worked PERFECT for her, like it was designed to do. 

Yeah. I don't really like Wentworth, but I love seeing the idol used effectively. With one of the most unanimous votes ever, she'd have felt stupid not using it. That ended up being a big deal for her and the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 12, 2015, 06:33:01 AM
I get that - I like to see an effective use of the idol as much as anyone.  When it's someone I don't really care about, it doesn't really do much for me.  It irritated me more than anything.  Stay the course and vote the same next week, as the likelihood of her winning II is fairly unlikely, although the pyramid in the water balance challenge they showed for next week seems like it might be geared towards someone light like her.  Amazing how that works out.  She's the likely choice to go next week, so a challenge shows up that looks like it could be suitable for someone like her.

Anyway, I think I'm just annoyed at the three girls on the bottom.  Ciera was a bit of a snotty kid on her season, Abi was always a gigantic PITA, and Wentworth I can barely remember.  I'll be happy to see them all go.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 12, 2015, 08:07:04 AM
Also, I've been reading back through this thread at some of the discussion over the years.  Good stuff.  I still think my idea for Survivor: Asshole Island was a good one:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19679.msg1462815#msg1462815

Also, I like looking back and seeing how much we all completely despised Abi the first time she was on and how little that has changed.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 12, 2015, 08:11:04 AM
I don't really care for Wentworth THAT much, but that was awesome.

I liked Savage OK, I guess, but he seemed to just roll over on the attempt to get out Fishbach to protect Joe.  I didn't like that, so to hell with him.

While I despise Abi, I'm not really having any problems with most of the others.

Keith is awesome, but I will be shocked if he ever actually wins a Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 12, 2015, 08:13:23 AM
One thing I like about Keith is that almost every challenge, he's proving his worth to the others in helping them get through challenges.  The last couple, they won largely due to Keith.  This one, he was definitely older than some of the others, but he was the guy busting his ass in the water to untie the boxes and haul them back to the boat, except for the last one.  Then the scene with him starting the motorcycle and driving everyone around the beach.  That was fantastic!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 12, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
I agree.

But where he falls flat is the actual playing of the game - alliances, blindsides, big moves.  He just doesn't do that part.

The good thing is that he is so likable that he can get away with it, to a certain extent.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 14, 2015, 09:15:18 AM
10 Things Andrew Savage Wants You To Know Following His Second Chance Send-Off (https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/photos/1005210/10-things-andrew-savage-wants-you-to-know-following-his-second-chance-send-off/)

Quote
[Fans] can expect the second half of the season to be truly epic. There's something that will happen in the game that's never happened in 15 years and 30 seasons of Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 14, 2015, 09:36:43 AM
Sounds interesting. It's always after the merge the game gets good anyway.

Any guesses? Maybe two idols will be played at the same tribal and result in nobody getting a single vote. Then they have to revote and someone else unexpected goes instead.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 14, 2015, 09:39:10 AM
That would be neat!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 18, 2015, 10:07:55 PM
The immunity idol clue wasn't as fun without a challenge to stick it in. GO HERE. :lol

Joe's immunity challenge streak continues. He can't win them all though, so unless the game changes, I can't see him making it to the end. :( There's one every seasons.

That advantage is even bigger than just having an extra vote like last time. That will easily change a result if used right. I'm surprised only two people went for it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 19, 2015, 07:17:37 AM
Why am I not surprised that the advantage that Fishbach ended up with was something like this?  HE is one of the ones who most desperately needs an advantage like this.  Though Spencer WAS damned close.

Also, the enormous flashing neon sign at tree mail that said "JEREMY LOOK RIGHT HERE".  Lol.

Not too concerned with K-Wig going, but the longer this goes on, you're going to see K-Went, Ciera, and Abi sitting in the final 3.  I will throw my television out the fucking window.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 19, 2015, 08:00:45 AM
Also, the enormous flashing neon sign at tree mail that said "JEREMY LOOK RIGHT HERE".  Lol.

I don't think they put that idol there until AFTER that group won the reward challenge. Joe had been up there a while it appeared....even before Abi ran him off, and I can't imagine he didn't look at the bottom of that tree?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 19, 2015, 08:04:47 AM
Also, the enormous flashing neon sign at tree mail that said "JEREMY LOOK RIGHT HERE".  Lol.

I don't think they put that idol there until AFTER that group won the reward challenge. Joe had been up there a while it appeared....even before Abi ran him off, and I can't imagine he didn't look at the bottom of that tree?

I think they must have replaced it during the reward challenge either way, because if it was found beforehand, the clue should have been to an idol during the challenge. Whether or not they change the location when they update the clue, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 19, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
Another thing that I loved about last night was how much more the atmosphere and tension of everything was amped up by the driving rain.  At the immunity challenge AND at tribal council.

Also, next Wednesday there will be two back-to-back hour long episodes.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 19, 2015, 01:29:19 PM
Joe's immunity challenge streak continues. He can't win them all though, so unless the game changes, I can't see him making it to the end. :( There's one every seasons.

Yep. It's certainly a double edged sword.....once you put yourself out there being dominant like that you HAVE to win or you're gone. I don't see Joe winning out though. That challenge last night was 'designed' for a light framed woman to win so I was very surprised to see him win. But I'd be shocked if he won them all and even more shocked that when he does lose they don't vote him out. They'd be dumb not to.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 20, 2015, 08:54:52 AM
Another thing that I loved about last night was how much more the atmosphere and tension of everything was amped up by the driving rain.  At the immunity challenge AND at tribal council.
This, for sure. 

I can't stand Fishbach, and I don't like that he got this big of an advantage.  Hopefully he makes it interesting.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 20, 2015, 09:47:00 AM
He does some sort of Survivor blog and for the life of me, I cannot seem to remember much of him from Tocantins.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 25, 2015, 08:06:24 AM
Don't forget, double episode tonight!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 25, 2015, 08:47:35 AM
Don't forget, double episode tonight!

 :metal

Predictions? I'd have to think unless Joe continues to win individual immunity he's going home AND....I don't think Fishback is patient enough not to use his advantage. I think he will play it tonight....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 25, 2015, 08:50:48 AM
Yep.  Seems unlikely Joe will continue to escape eviction.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 25, 2015, 09:55:54 AM
I will have to wait until tomorrow to catch it.  We are heading down to my Mom's to celebrate Thanksgiving tonight.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 25, 2015, 10:01:17 AM
Yep.  Seems unlikely Joe will continue to escape eviction.

Hypothetically speaking....let's say the dude wins out....wins EVERY individual immunity challenge and makes it to the end. I'd have to think he'd Win the season. Would that make him the BEST player ever? I'd have to say 'yes' being that i think he's already a top 5 all timer.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 25, 2015, 10:03:01 AM
Unquestionably.  He'd have to be.  The likelihood of that happening is almost zero, but it would be pretty damn cool to see.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 25, 2015, 10:07:54 AM
Unquestionably.  He'd have to be.  The likelihood of that happening is almost zero, but it would be pretty damn cool to see.

I agree it'd be cool to see but I just don't see how it can happen. There's almost always a challenge specifically designed for a 100lb woman (last challenge was but he still won) But, there really aren't many 'good' challenge people left. Keith is good but I think his age will limit him, Jeremy 'should' be good but he hasn't performed. Spencer can beat Joe in the right challenge and so can a couple of the girls.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 25, 2015, 10:11:26 AM
Exactly what I was thinking.  Despite him winning a challenge last week that physics dictates he probably shouldn't have won, sooner or later, one will come along where upper body strength will come into play and being heavier than some of the women, he'll likely not outlast them.  Keith *has* been surprisingly useful in the challenges this season.  All the others, who knows.  It's kinda hit or miss.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 25, 2015, 06:49:13 PM
Holy shit, at that rain! Wow!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 25, 2015, 07:27:10 PM
Dammit, Jeremy! Though the alternative is okay anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 25, 2015, 08:20:49 PM
OH. HOLY. SHIT!  AWESOME BLINDSIDE!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 25, 2015, 10:06:45 PM
OH. HOLY. SHIT!  AWESOME BLINDSIDE!

That. Was. Awesome.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 26, 2015, 07:48:03 AM
I still can't believe it. That was amazing!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 26, 2015, 08:26:24 AM
HAHA! That was amazing. Even with his advantage, and being a smug dick and voting for Joe with Joe's own vote, he still got voted out. Suck shit. The funny thing is that if he'd used both votes to vote for the same person, the outcome could have been very different.

In the first episode, I'm a bit surprised so many people voted for shelter. Of course they'd been through hell with the rain and the shelter was important, but they also basically handed that challenge to Joe. I guess that's what happens when you don't have a chance to coordinate though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 26, 2015, 08:37:15 AM


In the first episode, I'm a bit surprised so many people voted for shelter. Of course they'd been through hell with the rain and the shelter was important, but they also basically handed that challenge to Joe. I guess that's what happens when you don't have a chance to coordinate though.

This....and, it must have been REALLY bad if the producers were offering to build that shelter. I mean.....I was complaining to my wife the whole time that they (the players) should have built a better shelter anyway....but, for them to whine that Joe and Keith didn't was silly. I'd have flat out called them all babies. It's SURVIVOR! If you can't handle it then leave!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 26, 2015, 05:09:05 PM
I have never seen such rain and such absolute MISERY on Survivor, like I saw last night. I can guarantee you, I would have lost my shit. I'd have been all Brandon Hantz kinda emotionally off the radar. No way I could've handled that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 27, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Just watched all the PONDEROSA episodes. They are alright.....now that they have this 'produced' feel it doesn't seem as interesting to me as in years past.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 28, 2015, 03:10:45 AM
Finally got to see the new episode. I am OK about Ciera going home, and ecstatic about Fishbach leaving. Hopefully, Abi will be next.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 02, 2015, 07:49:40 PM
Dammit. The other 3 guys are fucked. This was smart for the girls, but the guys were fucking stupid to cut Joe loose. Wow.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 02, 2015, 09:42:47 PM
Yeah....bummer for Joe. That passing out was just odd. You'd have figured he was fueled up after eating at the reward challenge but it's just strange, guess you can't predict how your body will handle 30 days of malnutrition, lack of sleep and all.

I can't see the all girl alliance lasting....but who knows. Once Joe didn't win it didn't take an alliance to know he was getting voted out. He can win every challenge, he hadn't ticked anyone off....and had he made it to the end he'd have won.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 02, 2015, 09:47:32 PM
Yep. At this point I'm rooting for Spencer or Keith, neither of which are likely to get to the end now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 02, 2015, 10:03:37 PM
Yep. At this point I'm rooting for Spencer or Keith, neither of which are likely to get to the end now.

I have Keith in my 'A' pool at work and Spencer in the 'B' pool.....so I'd take either of them!  :tup  Both good players and would be neat to see them win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 02, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
Faaaaaark. We knew it was going to end for Joe soon, but it was a shame he went that way.

Yeah....bummer for Joe. That passing out was just odd. You'd have figured he was fueled up after eating at the reward challenge but it's just strange, guess you can't predict how your body will handle 30 days of malnutrition, lack of sleep and all.

Even at best I think they're on limited food and sleep, and that challenge went for 80 minutes or so of standing out in the sun using your arm muscles constantly to balance that statue. I'm well rested and fed, and would probably pass out before he did. :lol

I'd also like to see either Spencer or Keith win, as I've always liked both of them. Keith has actually been consistently very good in challenges, just usually not quite good enough to win it with players like Joe around. But now with Joe gone, he could be an under the radar threat.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 03, 2015, 06:28:28 AM
An under the radar threat who's clearly out of the loop, as he was the sole vote for Tasha.  WTF was that all about?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 03, 2015, 06:34:15 AM
An under the radar threat who's clearly out of the loop, as he was the sole vote for Tasha.  WTF was that all about?

A strategist he is definitely not. :lol He doesn't seem to be in on much of anything, which has its pros and cons.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 03, 2015, 07:54:14 AM
Yep. At this point I'm rooting for Spencer or Keith, neither of which are likely to get to the end now.
Same here.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 09, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
predictions for tonight? I'm hoping one of the girls goes....but I really don't see that happening. It will most likely be Spencer if he doesn't win immunity.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 09, 2015, 02:04:47 PM
Kinda what I'm thinking.  I'd love to see someone blindside the smirk right off of either Abi OR Kelly's face.  That would be fantastic, but most likely Spencer will be the one to go.  If he wins immunity, probably Jeremy.

In other news, Joe pretty much knew he was nearing the end of his rope and ready to pass out, not long before he did.  He requested that Probst do something to make the challenge HARDER for both of them, so it would likely end sooner, to which Keith agreed.  Unfortunately for him, he dropped soon thereafter.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2015/12/survivor-cambodia-challenge-joe-anglim-faint/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 09, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
Kinda what I'm thinking.  I'd love to see someone blindside the smirk right off of either Abi OR Kelly's face.  That would be fantastic, but most likely Spencer will be the one to go.  If he wins immunity, probably Jeremy.

In other news, Joe pretty much knew he was nearing the end of his rope and ready to pass out, not long before he did.  He requested that Probst do something to make the challenge HARDER for both of them, so it would likely end sooner, to which Keith agreed.  Unfortunately for him, he dropped soon thereafter.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2015/12/survivor-cambodia-challenge-joe-anglim-faint/

I had seen that article....pretty neat to hear about behind the scenes stuff like that.

with Kelly having an idol it would have to be a total blindside and involve Tasha flipping sides.....which is a real possibility.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 09, 2015, 02:14:06 PM
I can't keep track anymore, does Kelly have two idols or one?  Yeah, a flip and a blindside sending her away with an idol would be sweet.  Unlikely as it is.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 09, 2015, 02:18:56 PM
I can't keep track anymore, does Kelly have two idols or one?  Yeah, a flip and a blindside sending her away with an idol would be sweet.  Unlikely as it is.

she has one.....she found under the shelter from the clue at the night time 'quiz' challenge.....that random clue that was hidden in the cauffers....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 09, 2015, 02:20:19 PM
Okay, that's right, she used the one she grabbed at the first immunity challenge already.  It's Jeremy that has two, right?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 09, 2015, 02:33:19 PM
Okay, that's right, she used the one she grabbed at the first immunity challenge already.  It's Jeremy that has two, right?

he had two but used one to save Fishback (dumb move IMO)....so he's down to one also.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 09, 2015, 05:03:43 PM
Damn, I can't keep track anymore.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 09, 2015, 06:56:47 PM
Hell. Yes. About fucking time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 09, 2015, 08:44:54 PM
Hell. Yes. About fucking time.

Yeah....the unpredictability of tribal is insane this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 10, 2015, 07:03:21 AM
And you know the jury was all sitting there like "FUCK, now she's gonna be with us!"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 10, 2015, 07:09:18 AM
Thank god. I don't care about the strategy of taking her to final 3, I was just sick of seeing that cow, and had to stick the start of the episode with her smug gloating about Joe being gone. Good riddance.

This season has been the most unpredictable for voting, because there are no strong alliances at all (although if I never hear the term "voting blocks" ever again, it will be too soon).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 10, 2015, 07:13:30 AM
Exactly.  They use the term voting blocks several times an episode, it seems, and I swear, I don't think I've heard the term used before this season.  Not that I can remember, anyway.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 10, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
Never in the time that I've been watching the show. It's always alliances. Voting block is just a fancy way of saying "piss weak alliance".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 10, 2015, 07:18:52 AM
Also, LOL at Abi discussing who she should choose to take to the final three with her.  No idea WTF planet she was on.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 10, 2015, 07:21:59 AM
Yeah, I got a good laugh at that too. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 10, 2015, 07:24:17 AM
I don't think I've heard the term used before this season.  Not that I can remember, anyway.

Fishback created it....he used it in one of the 'side interviews' then at tribal.....then Probst caught on to it and that was that......

It really is odd watching where there is no clear alliance. Just when you think a couple people are going to 'work' together....they vote one another off  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 14, 2015, 07:52:55 AM
Finally caught the episode.

I was surprised they went with Abi, but I'm certainly glad to see her go.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 14, 2015, 07:54:04 AM
It was a little surprising, but yeah, very, very glad to see her out.

3-hour finale this week!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 14, 2015, 07:55:57 AM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 14, 2015, 08:41:03 AM
Finale already, damn! :metal

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 16, 2015, 06:51:09 PM
Holy shit, that first tribal council!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 16, 2015, 07:13:15 PM
Dammit
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 16, 2015, 07:13:48 PM
Holy shit, that first tribal council!

Those were going to be my EXACT words.  WOW.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 16, 2015, 07:35:20 PM
Dammit. Not how I wanted to see the 2nd TC go.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 16, 2015, 09:40:47 PM
Great Season....glad to see a Family, working class man win. That first tribal was insane! Once Wentworth lost the final immunity challenge then Jeremy winning there was no way he was going to lose the million. Especially after his final comment.

Next season looks crazy!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2015, 12:15:24 AM
Yeah, that tribal! Crazy. I was pretty happy with the final 3, and would have been ok with any of them winning it. Jeremy played the sympathy a bit in that final vote, possibly contributing to that clean sweep of the voting, but his game was good and he deserved to win regardless.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 17, 2015, 06:08:34 AM
I agree, I was happy with it.  One of my favorite seasons.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 17, 2015, 06:32:56 AM
Indeed, quite pleased to see Jeremy win it.  Spencer was mostly okay throughout, but towards the end of the season, he started to get a little arrogant and/or cocky.  I don't think his pushback on Jeremy at the final TC did him any favors, but I truly do think that Jeremy's final statement, the final thing the jury heard (at least as far as the editing showed) helped him win it just as much as anything he did in the game.

And WOW, next season looks insane!  Starts in February.  I'm always bummed when Survivor ends.  That and Amazing Race both end within a week of each other and I wasn't particularly pleased with how TAR ended.  Oh well.

At least in January, the final season of American Idol starts as well as the new season of The Bachelor.  Mrs. C. has always watched that and I got brought on board, because it's a spectacular trainwreck to watch.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 17, 2015, 07:24:45 AM
My reality viewing starts and ends with Survivor these days. :lol

The preview looked really good, but I often don't think much of their groups in the themed seasons. Remember the trainwreck that was last time's brains tribe? :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 17, 2015, 07:28:17 AM
Oh, do I ever.  That was also the season that spawned the nickname "Boobs McGee".  :lol

If any of you watch Big Brother, Caleb, the stalker-y douche from the 2014 season is going to be on the new season of Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 17, 2015, 07:58:55 AM
In other news, I just finished the last three Ponderosa episodes.  G, I get what you mean about them feeling over-produced, almost like part of the show.  I will say that Keith's Ponderosa video is probably my favorite.  It really cements the fact that he's your typical unassuming nice guy that you absolutely cannot help but really like.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 17, 2015, 08:21:47 AM
In other news, I just finished the last three Ponderosa episodes.  G, I get what you mean about them feeling over-produced, almost like part of the show.  I will say that Keith's Ponderosa video is probably my favorite.  It really cements the fact that he's your typical unassuming nice guy that you absolutely cannot help but really like.

I haven't watched Keith's or Wentworth's yet. but to the 'produced' feel.....I personally liked the Ponderosa episodes better when it had that 'home movie' vibe. I still find them neat to watch but like you said, it's just a part of the show now as far as production level and almost 'scripted' settings/interviews.


My reality viewing starts and ends with Survivor these days.

Other than 'Deadliest Catch'.....Survivor is the only other Reality TV I'll watch...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 21, 2016, 08:03:05 AM
February 17th, Survivor is back!  Here's a preview of the contestants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djSmqznIOfs
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 21, 2016, 08:33:01 AM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 21, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
This next seasons previews make it out to be a blood bath of injuries!! looks crazy. I think last season was one of the best seasons ever if not the best since season 1....so this one has a lot to live up to and match.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 21, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
That seems to be the consensus, that last season was really good.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on February 14, 2016, 11:12:22 PM
Few more days until the premiere!  :corn
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 16, 2016, 08:44:49 AM
Hour and a half premiere.  Looks like it's going to be excellent.  Although the previews are focusing a WHOLE lot on injuries and medevacs, so I'm hoping that's not their way of trying to draw people in because the rest of the season's going to suck otherwise.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 05:45:55 AM
Seems like a pretty good mix of characters so far. Like last time they did the 3B thing, the teams felt like a bit of a stretch to match the concept. At least the brain tribe isn't off to the epic losing streak of last time. :lol
I kind of like the idea of having the choice of challenge and choosing what fits your strengths, but at the same time, I felt the entire point was supposed to be to see which trait would work best to compensate for weaknesses in other areas.

And oh god, that ear bug. That was hard to even watch, I couldn't have stood by and watched that in person. I was having visions of The Wrath of Khan. I was also worried at the end that the little thing that came out was just one of a thousand little bugs that the mama bug laid in her ear canal after it burrowed deeply inside.

Sweet dreams tonight.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 18, 2016, 06:36:36 AM
Yeah, it does seem a bit of a stretch to make these people fit the dialog that's been given to them sometimes, but they almost lost that challenge.  And that was a hell of a challenge.  They were f*cking exhausted!

I also thought of TWOK.  Awful.  Absolutely awful.

It's always an exciting night when the Survivor premiere comes on!

EDIT:  No, wait, it was beauty who almost lost the challenge.  Never mind.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 06:45:18 AM
At least the Asian dude knew he had no place on that tribe. :lol They did the best they could to stretch it with the inner beauty crap, but it was hard to buy the loving every creature and plant thing when he was furiously ripping up random trees because he thought there was an idol buried under one of them. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 18, 2016, 06:51:26 AM
Stephen Fishbach on Twitter last night:

Quote
Tai, getting caught looking for idols on day 1 is a terrible mistake that nobody, should, uhm....nevermind.

:rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 18, 2016, 07:43:03 AM
At least the Asian dude knew he had no place on that tribe. :lol They did the best they could to stretch it with the inner beauty crap, but it was hard to buy the loving every creature and plant thing when he was furiously ripping up random trees because he thought there was an idol buried under one of them. :lol

no kidding. for all the talk he was the one ripping up trees....chopping off limbs.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 18, 2016, 09:02:05 AM
I enjoyed the first episode, but I thought they voted off the wrong person.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 18, 2016, 09:05:56 AM
Agreed, I think it wasn't a real smart play.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 18, 2016, 09:12:44 AM
I enjoyed the first episode, but I thought they voted off the wrong person.

Agreed, I think it wasn't a real smart play.

Yeah....even though that's the chic I am stuck with in our office pool.....I don't see how she will benefit anyone at any point in the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 18, 2016, 09:15:37 AM
And OH MY GOD, WTF is wrong with her??  They basically said "We think Darnell has an idol and we're TRYING to keep you around, if you'll just play along and STFU.  BTW, you don't have an idol, do you?"

Then she f*cking plays around with them like she may have one?  Why the hell would you do that, when they're clearly trying to throw you a life preserver?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: lucky7 on February 19, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
I wish she had gone home, maybe next week.

That ear bug thing, you wouldn't wish that on anyone, I couldn't understand why the medics weren't called straight away, thank god it left her ear, Gross!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 24, 2016, 11:34:52 PM
Jenny threw herself under the bus this week. Idiot. The brawn tribe is not off to a great start. I thought last year was getting tough with the idols, but this season is another level. Not a lot of people would be physically capable of climbing that tree to get it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2016, 08:09:47 AM
Yeah, this was an abysmally bad move.  All she had to do was keep her mouth shut, but she goes to TC and immediately starts blabbing.  People don't like a loose cannon.  I'm not shocked that she went home after basically saying out loud "I may not be sticking with my alliance" then trying to backtrack and ask them to please trust her that everything is fine.  WTF?

Also, I was quite pleased to see the lengths they've gone to to make the HII difficult to get to.  Holy crap that was nuts!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2016, 08:59:55 AM
Also, I was quite pleased to see the lengths they've gone to to make the HII difficult to get to.  Holy crap that was nuts!

Was it though? I mean, it's 35 foot up a tree...is that really difficult to get to? I personally don't think it'd be that tough to get. Maybe a few of the contestants wouldn't be able to get up there but I'd be willing to be half of them could scramble up that tree and back down in no time. I'm not a Ninja Warrior by any means but I know for a fact I could get up to that idol and back down within a minute or two.

Then again I'm just cool like that  :hat      :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
Well, to be fair, we did see Tai climbing trees in the first episode, without much trouble, if I remember right, but then when he tried to get up this one, he had considerable trouble, so I don't know.  I doubt I could have done it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 26, 2016, 09:05:32 AM
Also, annoying Debbie got busting for falsifying Katrina water testing results:

https://www.tmz.com/2016/02/26/survivor-contestant-guilty-crime-katrina-water/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 26, 2016, 09:06:24 AM
Give it a few days of no food, no sleep, and challenges, and I doubt many at all could climb that tree.

And I'm not believing anyone here could do it without video proof. :lol




BlobVanDam is not responsible for any personal injury due to attempting to climb trees. But still upload the result for me to watch.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2016, 09:08:48 AM
Give it a few days of no food, no sleep, and challenges, and I doubt many at all could climb that tree.

And I'm not believing anyone here could do it without video proof. :lol




BlobVanDam is not responsible for any personal injury due to attempting to climb trees. But still upload the result for me to watch.

I am going to provide video proof....because I can do it. Just need to locate a tree with no branches for 35 foot or so, stay tuned.

 And, good point about the lack of food/water/sleep....but still, get up that  :censored tree, it's immunity!!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 26, 2016, 09:11:22 AM
Give it a few days of no food, no sleep, and challenges, and I doubt many at all could climb that tree.

And I'm not believing anyone here could do it without video proof. :lol




BlobVanDam is not responsible for any personal injury due to attempting to climb trees. But still upload the result for me to watch.

I am going to provide video proof....because I can do it. Just need to locate a tree with no branches for 35 foot or so, stay tuned.

 And, good point about the lack of food/water/sleep....but still, get up that  :censored tree, it's immunity!!

You realize of course, that if/when you do it, I'll make you do it again after a couple of days of eating nothing but a cup of rice a day in the scorching heat. :biggrin: All in the name of science, you understand.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2016, 10:13:08 AM
Give it a few days of no food, no sleep, and challenges, and I doubt many at all could climb that tree.

And I'm not believing anyone here could do it without video proof. :lol




BlobVanDam is not responsible for any personal injury due to attempting to climb trees. But still upload the result for me to watch.

I am going to provide video proof....because I can do it. Just need to locate a tree with no branches for 35 foot or so, stay tuned.

 And, good point about the lack of food/water/sleep....but still, get up that  :censored tree, it's immunity!!

You realize of course, that if/when you do it, I'll make you do it again after a couple of days of eating nothing but a cup of rice a day in the scorching heat. :biggrin: All in the name of science, you understand.

Of course....in the name of science.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 02, 2016, 10:40:26 PM
So, super idol. Another interesting twist for the season. I like it. It encourages people to trust each other and work together, and encourages people to hunt harder for more idols knowing how powerful it is. I much prefer this to the similar idol they had a few seasons ago, which I don' think got played?
I was a little disappointed that they voted out the cute girl, but Liz and Pete were being pretty thick at tribal council with their talk about having thought of everything and being so smart, so they deserved the votes they got. It felt a bit laid on, so I don't know whether that was put on for good TV, or whether they were just dense.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 03, 2016, 06:29:13 AM
Yeah, that was a complete waste of a vote.  I'm REALLY shocked that Pete didn't go home.  At one point they showed Debbie on screen cackling in a side interview and we were both like "Wicked Witch of the West!"  :lol

The super idol is pretty cool, but I suspect that it will be a real non-issue.  Nobody is likely to want to sacrifice their immunity for something like this.  Sure, people have given away immunity idols before, but it just doesn't seem like good sense.  And as I mentioned, the f*cking hoops you have to jump through to GET an idol now?  I like it.

Caleb was super-creep on Big Brother, but he's really making me like him on Survivor.  He's been super useful at challenges and hasn't been all creepy (at least what they've shown, anyway).

Next week's episode looks like it's gonna be f*cking BR00TAL.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 09, 2016, 07:14:23 PM
DAMMIT, man. Caleb redeemed himself in spectacular fashion and I was so hoping to see him continue to be awesome. Fucking warrior. Beast Mode Cowboy, indeed.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 09, 2016, 10:30:16 PM
When the first person collapsed I thought the ad had exaggerated the medical issues for this week, but then two more dropped. Damn! 45+ minutes of physical activity in the sun like that with little food or sleep would wipe you out.
Given that someone got evacuated and they were near the end of the episode, I thought they were going to skip tribal council this week, but then it just turned out it was cut and dried enough to just quickly get it over and done with. :lol

Alecia had no place on that tribe, so they made the right call. The basketball player is still a jerk though.
And next week new tribes. Huzzah!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 10, 2016, 06:27:59 AM
Yeah, I guess if you hadn't seen Caleb on Big Brother, it would be hard to see him as anything other than a guy that came across fairly likeable and strong and determined.  He was a total creeper on Big Brother, so it was nice to see him in a new and more likeable light on Survivor.  I understand that you take it upon yourself to risk your health for this game, but in those conditions, they should VERY well have known that it was dangerous.  They should have stopped the clock and given everybody some water or something.  I really feel like this went too far this time.  It was almost uncomfortable to see this happening.

Yeah, bball guy is a major douche, but Alecia was absolutely no brawn character, whatsoever.  No idea why she was there.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2016, 06:31:32 AM
Yeah, bball guy is a major douche, but Alecia was absolutely no brawn character, whatsoever.  No idea why she was there.

Like Tai, it felt like she was just shoehorned into the tribe they needed her to be in to make up numbers.

Have you ever done anything tough and brawny?
-I once went snowboarding with my girlfriends, but we really just stayed in drinking cocktails.
-So you're into extreme snowboarding? Yep, definitely brawn tribe material.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 10, 2016, 06:33:39 AM
:lol

No doubt.  Andy at Reality Blurred has mentioned something similar about Probst having to concoct these narratives and make these people fit them.  It sometimes doesn't make sense, like Alecia or Tai.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2016, 06:35:10 AM
The Tai monologue in the first episode felt so laboured and manufactured, like they had to steer him towards justifying why he was in the beauty tribe. And you could tell even he thought it was BS.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 10, 2016, 06:45:00 AM
Speaking of Andy at RB, his recap is up and I feel like it's pretty good:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/03/survivor-caleb-reynolds-evacuated/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 11, 2016, 07:10:00 AM
Finally caught up last night.

Holy crap that last episode.

Yeah, the other players on the tribe were being jerks, but I think it was mostly because there was no drama involved at all in knowing who would be voted out.  They knew who it was, and they already didn't like her anyway, so it was easy to let out the inner jerk.

I think.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2016, 10:56:01 PM
Aw, they voted out the hot one. And Tai is a shitty liar.

Who the hell was that girl who got stuck at a camp alone? I swear I've never seen her before. :lol It was a bit of a non-event when the one stuck alone is one you don't even recognize. Not too bad an idea for being scraped together last minute though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 17, 2016, 06:30:37 AM
They ALWAYS do that!  Although in this instance, it was actually better for them, since Tai busts ass to help provide for everyone.

Yeah, I don't remember her much either.  It's a shitty move by production to f*ck one person over like this though.  They could've made it 6 and 7 and made #7 sit out of the challenge. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 17, 2016, 07:51:14 AM
Got caught up...my office pool chic went home last week so I'm out of the money already. No brainer last night IMO. You definitely keep the guy who's essentially keeping camp running right now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 17, 2016, 07:56:01 AM
Yep.  No brainer.  I WAS really hoping to see a shakeup where Peter went home, because he's just irritating, but alas, it was not to be.  They cast good looking women on this show, because that's what people want to see.  Good looking people wearing next to nothing around camp, but what they never take into account is that those people are usually pretty useless and will go home early.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 17, 2016, 08:01:20 AM
Yep.  No brainer.  I WAS really hoping to see a shakeup where Peter went home, because he's just irritating, but alas, it was not to be.  They cast good looking women on this show, because that's what people want to see.  Good looking people wearing next to nothing around camp, but what they never take into account is that those people are usually pretty useless and will go home early.

I was cracking up when they had her off on her one on one interview....laying sideways  :lol   No one lays like that to talk....   :lol

"Ummm...how about you lay sideways, prop up on one arm.....push your boobs out a bit, yeah...good....ok, now.....speak"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 17, 2016, 08:04:30 AM
And positioning her like that, unfortunately for her, very much appeared to point to the fact that she's got aftermarket parts.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 17, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
And positioning her like that, unfortunately for her, very much appeared to point to the fact that she's got aftermarket parts.

oh yeah...that was evident. That wasn't a natural resting position.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 19, 2016, 06:32:27 AM
And positioning her like that, unfortunately for her, very much appeared to point to the fact that she's got aftermarket parts.
If you can touch them, they're real.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 19, 2016, 06:48:40 AM
And positioning her like that, unfortunately for her, very much appeared to point to the fact that she's got aftermarket parts.

The second I saw that scene, I was imagining the producers directing her basically word for word as gmiller described it. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 23, 2016, 10:07:38 PM
-SCOTT, WHATCHA DOING?
*swish*
-Winning.

:lol

I'm happy to see Peter go. Nice touch with ordering the votes to have the "Julia Peter" vote last.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 24, 2016, 06:32:53 AM
Scott damn near lost a basketball challenge.  That would've been really not cool for him.

And yeah, I'm good with Peter going.  I was kinda hoping it would end up like that.  He was just shifty and I didn't trust him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2016, 06:45:56 AM
The thing is, after the first shot to get a feel for it, it looked like all of his shots got net but bounced out because of the angle. Looks like his basketball technique didn't work as well on the angled edge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 24, 2016, 06:47:13 AM
Yeah, had it been a regular basketball hoop, he'd have been done in probably half the time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 24, 2016, 07:46:59 AM
I like the show and enjoy watching but IMO this season has just been kind of 'blah'.....really tough to follow up last season I think. I'm not overly impressed with anyone at all and I'm hoping the merge next week will give it a kick in the a$$
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 24, 2016, 07:50:57 AM
OK episode.  Looking forward to the merge as well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 30, 2016, 09:54:36 PM
It's always a shame to see someone go for medical reasons, especially when they still feel fine and capable of continuing. Those infections looked downright nasty though. I couldn't even look at that knee one. Maybe this season can start a trend of tribal being voted by doctor from now on. :P

I like the running gag of Debbie's job title changing every time it shows her. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 01, 2016, 07:11:53 AM
SO far, the most medevacs in a season is two.  Micronesia, Samoa, One World, Caramoan, and now Kaoh Rong.  They've definitely got what it takes to get someone else medevac'd this season.  Good God what a disgusting episode that was.  EVERYONE is fucked up.  Apparently after their exits, Liz and Peter were both flown back to the US for infection treatments.  It does seem odd though that Caleb gets evacuated and they held Tribal Council.  Neal gets evacuated and there's no Tribal Council.  WTF?  Seemingly arbitrary.  But I'm kinda okay with it, I guess.  I wondered if Neal might give up the idol, but alas, no.  Some info on that and how bad his infection actually was:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/03/survivor-kaoh-rong-merge-questions-answered/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 01, 2016, 07:40:23 AM
Might have been to do with the timing, pre-merge vs post-merge. Also, having anticipated the medivac beforehand the producers probably had more time to think it over, instead of being put on the spot like the first medivac.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 02, 2016, 05:28:09 AM
Finally caught the episode last night.

How charming.

Pretty nasty, but getting him out was the right move.  Pretty cool episode.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 07, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
Cockiness will always catch up to you. Buh-bye, bro.

Also, holy shit, that immunity challenge! Hard core.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 08, 2016, 06:52:40 AM
Finally caught the episode last night.

How charming.

Pretty nasty, but getting him out was the right move.  Pretty cool episode.

Cockiness will always catch up to you. Buh-bye, bro.

Also, holy shit, that immunity challenge! Hard core.

CBS is getting pretty bad at the way they edit these episodes. Anyone who's watched survivor for more than two or three seasons knew he was being voted out that episode 15 minutes in to it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 08, 2016, 01:58:32 PM
I've seriously considered going back and rewatching Season 13, Cook Islands.  It's available for free streaming from Amazon Prime and it was the first season I ever saw of Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 08, 2016, 04:49:17 PM
I've seriously considered going back and rewatching Season 13, Cook Islands.  It's available for free streaming from Amazon Prime and it was the first season I ever saw of Survivor.

I watched Season 1 and then didn't watch again until Season 12, Panama. Been watching them ever since.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 08, 2016, 10:19:45 PM
I've seriously considered going back and rewatching Season 13, Cook Islands.  It's available for free streaming from Amazon Prime and it was the first season I ever saw of Survivor.

I watched Season 1 and then didn't watch again until Season 12, Panama. Been watching them ever since.

I saw about the first 3 seasons I think, then stopped watching until one of the all star series, and have watched ever since.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 09, 2016, 09:09:25 AM
I've seriously considered going back and rewatching Season 13, Cook Islands.  It's available for free streaming from Amazon Prime and it was the first season I ever saw of Survivor.

I watched Season 1 and then didn't watch again until Season 12, Panama. Been watching them ever since.

I saw about the first 3 seasons I think, then stopped watching until one of the all star series, and have watched ever since.

I actually didn't realize how long I'd been watching the show again until I went to the Wiki page for Survivor and looked at the chart they have. When I met my wife her family still watched so I started watching again but in my head it didn't seem that long ago...well....it was 14 years ago  :lol   So strange how the years are just buzzing by.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 10, 2016, 05:11:20 AM
I started with Season 2.  Well, really, the finale of season 1, but season 2 was my first full season.

We missed one or two seasons, around 8 or 9 somewhere.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 13, 2016, 07:16:28 PM
HOLY SHIT, what a great Tribal Council!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 13, 2016, 10:45:05 PM
HOLY SHIT, what a great Tribal Council!

Dang it! I was watching playoff hockey so I haven't watched yet....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 13, 2016, 11:23:16 PM
HOLY SHIT, what a great Tribal Council!

Yeah that was something. The problem still with the super-idol concept is that you have to trust the holder of the other idol to give up their idol after they know they're safe, so someone could easily get screwed there. I almost wanted to see one of the guys get voted out just to see it go down. Jason and Scott are being too cocky for their own good, so they gotta be careful even with the idols.

And I half expected the girls to put one of them on the guy's team for the reward challenge to throw it, and get back at them for the sabotage at camp. Wouldn't that have been something? Julia joins the guy's team and just sits down doing nothing. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 14, 2016, 07:28:13 AM
Well, it was pretty spectacular to see him give his half to Tai, so everyone would be like

What

The

Fuck

Is

He

Doing???

None of them realize that the super idol can be played after the vote is read.  Only Jason, Scott, and Tai know that, I think.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 14, 2016, 09:49:07 AM
Also, Debbie's Ponderosa episode is great.  Neal and Nick are both just like "KILL ME NOW, PLEASE".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 17, 2016, 03:10:48 AM
Finally caught the latest episode.

I've gotta say, I was kind of pulling for the guys until this whole "sabotage" thing started.  Now they are just being dicks.

But it led to a pretty awesome tribal, so that's good.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 18, 2016, 11:55:44 AM
Finally caught the latest episode.

I've gotta say, I was kind of pulling for the guys until this whole "sabotage" thing started.  Now they are just being dicks.

But it led to a pretty awesome tribal, so that's good.

my sentiments exactly. That was just whiney, childish behavior. Period. So ridiculous, just because their plan was foiled and they looked like fools they throw a temper tantrum. I can totally see Ty flipping on them because you can already see that he has a problem 'acting' like that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 21, 2016, 06:41:45 AM
Holy crap, that was unreal.  Jason is gonna be PISSED!!!!  At least Scott took it gracefully.  On one hand, it was nice to see Tai kinda redeem himself, but at the same time, it kinda sucked to see him turn on the alliance he'd become a part of.  Those guys were being WAY too cocky though, damn.

Also, did anyone else notice that the episode that aired on 4/20 had two challenges that had pots in them?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 21, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Holy crap, that was unreal.  Jason is gonna be PISSED!!!!  At least Scott took it gracefully.  On one hand, it was nice to see Tai kinda redeem himself, but at the same time, it kinda sucked to see him turn on the alliance he'd become a part of.  Those guys were being WAY too cocky though, damn.

I think had they toned down their arrogance Tai would have stuck with them. But, the bravado they were insistent on showing ultimately revealed to Tai that he was #3 out of that alliance and he knew they'd flip on him. It also helps his game if he gets to the end because that was HUGE!



Also, did anyone else notice that the episode that aired on 4/20 had two challenges that had pots in them?

NUGETZ!!!   :metal
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2016, 11:29:47 AM
Holy crap, that was unreal.  Jason is gonna be PISSED!!!!  At least Scott took it gracefully.  On one hand, it was nice to see Tai kinda redeem himself, but at the same time, it kinda sucked to see him turn on the alliance he'd become a part of.  Those guys were being WAY too cocky though, damn.

Yeah, all of that. You could tell Tai wasn't going to do it, because he just wasn't like them. Jason and Scott were silly to be so reckless and arrogant and should have been able to read Tai and see he wasn't as committed as they were to that alliance.
It's just a shame that Scott went home with that idol.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 21, 2016, 11:36:07 AM
18 seconds.  18 seconds between Probst saying Scott was out and Tai shaking his head no.  Longest 18 seconds ever.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 21, 2016, 12:25:08 PM
It's just a shame that Scott went home with that idol.

Ehh...I don't feel bad for him (or Jason) at all. They were being dicks and paid the price for over confidence. That usually happens. Now, there should be another idol in play and hidden to find. That'd be cool if Tai could find it. He'd have Super Immunity AND an extra vote. Seemingly a clear path to the final three.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 21, 2016, 12:27:27 PM
The new Ponderosa is up.  Scot showed the idol to everyone and Neal went nuts.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2016, 12:28:59 PM
It's just a shame that Scott went home with that idol.

Ehh...I don't feel bad for him (or Jason) at all. They were being dicks and paid the price for over confidence. That usually happens. Now, there should be another idol in play and hidden to find. That'd be cool if Tai could find it. He'd have Super Immunity AND an extra vote. Seemingly a clear path to the final three.

I meant more for the sake of having idols in play for the super idol and keeping things unpredictable, rather than any concern for Jason or Scott, and it's a shame in principle to see someone go home when they could have played an idol. No loss. They're not playing a good strategic or social game, and now it's biting them in the ass hard.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 21, 2016, 12:35:43 PM
It's just a shame that Scott went home with that idol.

Ehh...I don't feel bad for him (or Jason) at all. They were being dicks and paid the price for over confidence. That usually happens. Now, there should be another idol in play and hidden to find. That'd be cool if Tai could find it. He'd have Super Immunity AND an extra vote. Seemingly a clear path to the final three.

I meant more for the sake of having idols in play for the super idol and keeping things unpredictable, rather than any concern for Jason or Scott, and it's a shame in principle to see someone go home when they could have played an idol. No loss. They're not playing a good strategic or social game, and now it's biting them in the ass hard.

Gotcha. In that aspect it is a bummer because it'd would have (could be?) cool to see a super idol affect a vote. I think that tribal exposed the problem though...you have to have two folks who trust each other enough to give up their individual immunity for the sake of an alliance. Maybe in a strong alliance that'd work but i think Tai figured out he wasn't in the grand plan...
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2016, 09:26:38 PM
Gotcha. In that aspect it is a bummer because it'd would have (could be?) cool to see a super idol affect a vote. I think that tribal exposed the problem though...you have to have two folks who trust each other enough to give up their individual immunity for the sake of an alliance. Maybe in a strong alliance that'd work but i think Tai figured out he wasn't in the grand plan...

Yeah. If it was Scott and Jason in charge of the two idols, I think they would have been tight enough to go through with it for each other, but Tai used the opportunity to stand up to the bullies, and he's remained likeable to the other people, so I think that will earn him some points at camp going forward.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2016, 04:53:06 AM
Just caught up on the episode yesterday afternoon.

Holy crap, that was awesome. 

So, is Tai the odds-on favorite going forward?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 24, 2016, 08:35:17 AM
So, is Tai the odds-on favorite going forward?

I think he and Aubrey are. She's been tough in challenges and looks like she may win one soon, he's been playing a great all around game. That was a massive move to be able to boast about at the final tribal if he gets there. I don't see anyone else but those two as favorites.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 28, 2016, 02:45:54 AM
I'm surprised Tai held back on using his idol. I've got no problem with Julia going. Jason seems to be more likable without Scott around. As usual, I like to see how far the underdog can get, even though you know there's only so far they can go. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 28, 2016, 06:26:50 AM
This is one time that I don't mind seeing the underdog go home.  Jason has been kinda an asshole most of the time he's been out there, so I will not miss him at all.  I'm rooting for Tai all the way, at this point.  If not him, MAYBE Aubrey, but nobody else has really given me any reason to still want them around.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2016, 09:07:00 AM
This is one time that I don't mind seeing the underdog go home.  Jason has been kinda an asshole most of the time he's been out there, so I will not miss him at all.  I'm rooting for Tai all the way, at this point.  If not him, MAYBE Aubrey, but nobody else has really given me any reason to still want them around.

Yeah, he's and underdog but it's his own fault due to his arrogance. I'd take him to the end as no one but Scott will give him a vote. I'm with you on rooting for either Tai or Aubrey, they are the most 'deserving' that are left given that they've been playing hard. And man....I was surprised that Tai didn't use his idol, I think I would have at that point.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 28, 2016, 09:10:06 AM
I like Tai, but he's a bit too wishy washy. Everyone likes him, which would get him votes, but even factoring in his blindside, I don't think he's played a great strategic game or physical game.
Aubrey has played a good all around game, and deserves to do well, but I don't like her much for some reason.

I don't know who I'm rooting for at this point really.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 28, 2016, 09:10:47 AM
I was surprised he didn't use the idol also.

I've always understood the idea of taking assholes to the end with you, because nobody will vote for them, but there's the other side of me that says "You're still rewarding that asshole with a $100,000 runner-up prize".  I don't necessarily like rewarding bad behavior, but I know that's how you have to play the game sometimes.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 28, 2016, 09:12:42 AM
It bugs me when people wimp out on taking the obvious loser to the end because they want to take the nice people. Play to win!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2016, 06:20:42 AM
It bugs me when people wimp out on taking the obvious loser to the end because they want to take the nice people. Play to win!
Exactly.

I would have taken out Tai this week if I were them.  Oh well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2016, 01:25:43 AM
No surprise that Jason's time was up. I don't think Tai is cut out to be calling the shots though, so I anticipate a blindside attempt soon.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 05, 2016, 06:20:02 AM
Yep, Jason's exit was no surprise.  I'm bummed for Tai that he wasted his advantage, but yeah, he's no shot caller.  I'll be shocked if he makes it to the end, though I'd like for him to.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2016, 06:24:09 AM
Tai's not good at the game, and imo doesn't deserve to win. All he has going for him is he's nice. I'm not really going for anyone though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 05, 2016, 06:29:39 AM
I'm thinking probably Aubrey.  Even at that, she hasn't really WON me over, other than being tenacious at challenges.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2016, 06:39:13 AM
Yeah, I agree. I don't really like her though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2016, 08:47:37 PM
Tai's not good at the game, and imo doesn't deserve to win.

yeah....I think the best strategist and 'game player' this year has been Aubrey.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 12, 2016, 04:49:10 AM
Again it's a shame to see someone go for medical reasons, especially as it was ironically indirectly caused by winning the reward challenge. Slow and steady won the challenge though! At least he got that final moment.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 12, 2016, 06:28:35 AM
This season now holds the record for medevacs at three.  That was such an anticlimactic episode.  And at this point, I can't even remember, was there even an immunity challenge last night?  Also, now Tai has a hidden immunity idol that he can't use (could only use it up to F5), so now he'll have it as a souvenir.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 12, 2016, 06:35:15 AM
I hadn't considered either of those two points. No immunity challenge, no immunity idol any more. Tai is in trouble now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2016, 08:16:21 AM
lol Tai

Too bad about another medevac.  Not a very satisfying episode.  But if it had to happen to someone, I'm glad it was him.  He was kind of just taking up space in the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 12, 2016, 11:49:35 AM
Funny enough, in an interview with Entertainment Weekly on May 5, Probst hinted that there could be a final 2 this time around.  If that’s the case, they may give Tai another week to use it.  We will see.  If that happens, expect people to scream "FIX".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 12, 2016, 12:25:52 PM
I wish it would go back to Final 2.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
I wish it would go back to Final 2.

Yep. I prefer that as well. There's always one out of the three that have no shot at all of getting a vote ...so it'd be neat to get back to two.

I think this is Aubreys to lose.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 16, 2016, 06:26:21 AM
Unquestionably.  I think even if Tai does go to the end, too many people are irritated at his turning on them to give it to him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 16, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
Also, finale this Wednesday.  The usual - 2 hour finale, 1 hour winner reveal/aftershow.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2016, 08:21:20 PM
You. Have. GOT. To. Be. Fucking. Kidding. Me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2016, 09:37:20 PM
By far the most disappointing season of Survivor in the last 10 seasons. How the  :censored do they give Michelle that victory? That was a joke. The season already lacked and was 'boring' but to top it off with that crap really makes me contemplate taking the next season off. The moment he announced Michelle as the winner i turned it off. Such a shame because Aubrey completely deserved to win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2016, 09:41:22 PM
So ridiculously disappointing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 18, 2016, 09:45:43 PM
So ridiculously disappointing.

It really is. The show has had a string of really good, interesting and entertaining seasons. This one was a major dud IMO. There was hardly anyone compelling to root for, and the one person who worked her tail off against the odds the entire time to make it to the end gets screwed out of a million bucks for some unknown reason?

Michelle didn't get stronger as the game ended....she coasted the entire time and then got extremely lucky several times.

I was already underwhelmed by this season but the finale tonight really sours this for me a bit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 12:58:03 AM
Lol at this response.

I was downright shocked Michele won it, but hey, I wasn't there playing with her. It looked all too obvious that Aubrey was going to win by the end, but I never much liked her, and Tai was a total flake throughout, so I'm actually pleasantly surprised it turned out unpredictable. This wasn't a great season overall, but I'm ok with the outcome.

What the hell is the deal with this attention whore mophead joke thing on the reunion show?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 19, 2016, 07:38:31 AM
I was shocked she won it also.  She was nearly non-existent in the episodes until at least 2/3 of the way through the season.  She coasted like she was outta gas and the station was still a half mile away.  The oust a jury member vote effectively fucked Neil twice.  He got fucked with his knee infection taking him out, then fucked by waiting all that time to be on the jury, only to not get to be on the jury.  His aside to Michele as he left was excellent, and I wish he'd been right.

And I get increasingly frustrated with the way the aftershow goes.  There's an entire cast onstage to talk to, but 97% of them get no face time at all, because they're too busy bloating the show with shit like Sia and Drew Carey (I will watch the Price is Right thing, as they'll be having one each with Survivor people, TAR people, and BB people), and the medevac dude in charge of everything and Caleb's exit.  Sure those things were a big deal and all, but Cydney, who came in 4th and busted her ass, was a big deal also, and they said NOTHING to her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 19, 2016, 07:46:37 AM
I didn't even watch the after show. The second he flipped around that Card and said Michelle won I stopped the DVR, deleted it and that was that. Like I said, this show prior to this season had a string of seasons that were pretty good, compelling stuff to watch. There were legit people to root for and it was entertaining. I was rooting for Aubrey merely because she was the easiest one to root for....but even still...there was no one this season who was even remotely interesting to me. IMO they failed miserably in the casting of this season.

I'm looking forward to the next season merely because my 10 year old son has been getting into these types of shows. He likes 'Naked and Afraid', Dual Survival and that type of stuff and he saw a bit of this season and we told him that he could watch the next season with us from the beginning. Had I not made that promise to him, I'm not sure I'd even watch next season due to the taste this one left in my mouth.






I think I'm getting old and cranky :(
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 19, 2016, 08:17:22 AM
On the other forum I frequent, every time there's a new Survivor thread (we start a new one for each season), there are always the typical handful of assholes who have to come in and bash it, for no good reason, so I created this:

(https://i64.tinypic.com/29z3rd3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 19, 2016, 08:25:15 AM
Those are great  :lol      I've enjoyed the heck out of the show....and really hope next season is better that this last one. It was just a DUD, it' happens I suppose.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 09:09:50 AM
We've had other dud seasons in my time in this thread. You weren't missing much with the after show, except the preview for next season. Not much insight, not a lot of good interviews. I expect next season will have strong personalities, for better and/or worse.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2016, 07:09:54 AM
I don't know guys.  I don't really get the response here.

As soon as Michelle won that last immunity, I called her winning the whole thing.

I knew there were anti-Tai people on the jury, and I knew there would be a handful of pro-Aubrey people.  The elimination of Neil kind of sealed it for me.

Not sure how anyone can say she is undeserving.  If you get the jury to vote for you, then you deserve it.

I thought she played a pretty good game.  Not her fault she "coasted" for a while.  She didn't even have to go to a tribal council until over halfway through the show.  I guess her teams were pretty good.  That's not a detriment to her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2016, 07:30:40 AM
Aubrey had two allie's leave per medical evacuation and had to "work" the entire time to stay in the game. I personally think she did great, had good strategy and was a beast at challenges. Michelle did not have to do anything at all other than win one timely challenge. Kudos to her for doing that because it won her the game.

I just think there were a bunch of vengeful jury members who didn't vote for Aubrey out of spite, whereas in years past the game she played would have won her votes.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 20, 2016, 07:32:47 AM
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me, is when you have jury members who are all sour grapes and shit, who can't put that aside and say "Who played the best game?"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2016, 07:35:39 AM
Yeah, but that's the cool part about letting the jury decide.

To argue that anyone other than the actual winner "deserved" to win is to argue against some other standard than the game actually uses.  The only objective parts of the game are who wins the immunity and reward challenges.  THE ENTIRE REST OF THE GAME relies on the subjective opinions of the various players. 

There is no "deserve".  In the game of thrones you either win or you die.

(Wait, sorry about that, wrong show.)

But the point remains lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2016, 07:39:05 AM
The whole goal of Survivor is to balance all of the elements of the game necessary to win, including the social. Look at Russell Hantz. He managed to get to the final 3 twice, but because he backstabbed everyone to do so, never had a hope of winning. Did he deserve to win? Not my call. What makes Survivor unique is that the very people you had to step over to get to the end are the ones who ultimately decide your fate.

Getting to the final 3 by any method is itself an achievement. If you win because the jury liked you the most, so be it. That's your game. That final tribal council is to convince the jury that your particular method of playing the game makes you the most deserving of winning. The people there playing the game felt Michelle's game deserved that win. I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 20, 2016, 07:47:20 AM
I guess I feel like the idea of Outwit, Outplay, Outlast is what it should come down to.  I don't agree that she did that.  She may have outlasted, but more than anything, she out-lucked.  I don't think the jury agreed that Michele's game is what got her there.  It felt like they were irritable with the other two and gave her the votes because she was the alternative.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2016, 08:02:16 AM
I guess I feel like the idea of Outwit, Outplay, Outlast is what it should come down to.  I don't agree that she did that.  She may have outlasted, but more than anything, she out-lucked.  I don't think the jury agreed that Michele's game is what got her there.  It felt like they were irritable with the other two and gave her the votes because she was the alternative.

Which is still valid. She obviously outlasted everyone else to make final 3, by whatever method. Outplay is a pretty vague concept, so I don't know where to start with that. But I'd argue that if you can get yourself to the end while pissing off less people than the other two guys, you've outwitted them on some level. Everyone is going to have a different situation in the game, so luck is always going to play a part at some point.

I'm not arguing that I personally felt Michelle played the best game, because it appeared to me that Aubry was the more deserving too. But I have no qualm with the jury deciding that they wanted her to have a million dollars instead of the other two. Every one of those people has their own slightly different opinion on what criteria to judge by, and the majority decided on Michelle. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2016, 09:00:43 AM
^Yep^

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2016, 11:06:26 AM
Totally understand all the points made, and agree. I just think Aubrey was robbed of the Million dollars by a jury that had their panties in a bunch that she played better than them.....and that sucks for her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 20, 2016, 11:08:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7GLTkZy2P8

Cydney's Ponderosa.  Scot, Jason, and Julia clearly being bitter assholes that refused to even greet Cydney when she arrived.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2016, 11:09:32 AM
Totally understand all the points made, and agree. I just think Aubrey was robbed of the Million dollars by a jury that had their panties in a bunch that she played better than them.....and that sucks for her.

I'm sure next time they do an "all stars" season, they'll probably include her and Tai.
I do agree Michelle perhaps wasn't the most deserving, I just disagree she was undeserving.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 20, 2016, 11:10:40 AM
Maybe it isn't that she didn't deserve it, maybe that it feels like she didn't earn it to the degree that the others did.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 01, 2016, 06:52:55 AM
Okay, so we just finished up season 32.  Season 33, Millenials vs. Gen X will be in Fiji and will be airing this fall.

Season 34, airing next spring will also be in Fiji and will be a cast of 20 returning players, including two from the upcoming 33rd season (From Reality Blurred (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/05/survivor-34-cast-all-stars/)):

1. Andrea Boehlke, Survivor Redemption Island and Survivor Caramoan
2. Michaela Bradshaw, Survivor Millennials vs. Gen X
3. Aubry Bracco, Survivor Kaoh Rong
4. Brad Culpepper, Survivor Blood vs. Water
5. Sierra Dawn-Thomas, Survivor Worlds Apart
6. Sandra Diaz-Twine, Survivor Pearl Islands and Survivor Heroes vs. Villains
7. Ciera Eastin, Survivor Blood vs. Water and Survivor Cambodia
8. Cirie Fields, Survivor Panama, Survivor Micronesia, and Survivor Heroes vs. Villains
9. Hali Ford, Survivor Worlds Apart
10. Malcolm Freberg, Survivor Philippines and Survivor Caramoan
11. Sarah Lacina, Survivor Cagayan
12. Ozzy Lusth, Survivor Cook Islands, Survivor Micronesia, and Survivor South Pacific
13. Caleb Reynolds, Survivor Kaoh Rong
14. Troyzan Robertson, Survivor One World
15. Zeke Smith, Survivor Millennials vs. Gen X
16. JT Thomas, Tocantins and Survivor Heroes vs. Villains
17. Tai Trang, Survivor Kaoh Rong
18. Jeff Varner, Survivor Australia and Survivor Cambodia
19. Tony Vlachos, Survivor Cagayan
20. Debbie Wanner, Survivor Kaoh Rong
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 01, 2016, 07:46:48 AM
So I guess the ones from Millennials vs Gen X are spoilers for who isn't going to win.

A lot of familiar names, including the predicted obvious choices from Kaoh Rong. Even though I like a lot of these people though, there are so many people who will now be appearing for the third time, and even fourth time. Surely there are other people they can bring back.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 01, 2016, 08:01:59 AM
I don't know, I'm not sure it says anything about whether they won or lost.  Sandra, JT, and Tony all won their seasons (twice for Sandra).
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 01, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
I guess. It does indicate they'll be the standout characters, one way or another. It would seem odd to bring back a player the season directly after winning though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2016, 08:34:27 AM
Ozzy again huh? They really love that dude. I'm agreeing with Blob whereas I like a lot of these players but third, fourth time on the show seems to be excessive but then again this past season with 'unknowns' was a real dud. So, it'll be neat to kind of 'know' these players already but it seems like Survivor is really relying on the popularity of former players to keep it relevant.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 01, 2016, 08:48:33 AM
As much as I love Survivor, I know there isn't a prayer in hell, even if I was younger, that I could do it.  No way.  And I'm amazed by people that love it so much that they agree to do it again.  Some (as mentioned) for 3rd and 4th times.  I've read of people coming off shows like Survivor or Big Brother having difficulty being able to trust people for a while after returning to normal life.  Always looking over their shoulder, so to speak.  Also, there are people who've reported that even a year after their stint on Survivor, they still haven't been able to regain the same level of physical fitness they had pre-survivor, despite time spent in the gym to try to re-develop the muscle tone and energy they once had.  It's a doozie of a game and I could never do it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2016, 08:50:39 AM
As much as I love Survivor, I know there isn't a prayer in hell, even if I was younger, that I could do it.  No way.  And I'm amazed by people that love it so much that they agree to do it again.  Some (as mentioned) for 3rd and 4th times.  I've read of people coming off shows like Survivor or Big Brother having difficulty being able to trust people for a while after returning to normal life.  Always looking over their shoulder, so to speak.  Also, there are people who've reported that even a year after their stint on Survivor, they still haven't been able to regain the same level of physical fitness they had pre-survivor, despite time spent in the gym to try to re-develop the muscle tone and energy they once had.  It's a doozie of a game and I could never do it.

I'd give it a shot. I think if I could make it to the merge I could make final two or three. By then you'd have a solid alliance and I have no doubts that if I weren't winning the immunity challenges I'd be coming in second. yeah....I'm a confident cocky SOB.....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2016, 08:52:58 AM
I love the show, but no way could I do it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 01, 2016, 08:53:59 AM
I'd give it a shot. I think if I could make it to the merge I could make final two or three. By then you'd have a solid alliance and I have no doubts that if I weren't winning the immunity challenges I'd be coming in second. yeah....I'm a confident cocky SOB.....  :biggrin:

:lol

Now come on this is Survivor 101:  Overconfidence will get you voted out before your time, every time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2016, 08:58:05 AM
I'd give it a shot. I think if I could make it to the merge I could make final two or three. By then you'd have a solid alliance and I have no doubts that if I weren't winning the immunity challenges I'd be coming in second. yeah....I'm a confident cocky SOB.....  :biggrin:

:lol

Now come on this is Survivor 101:  Overconfidence will get you voted out before your time, every time.

Well....I wouldn't act like that in front of everyone silly.  :lol  In fact, I'd do what I could to keep my true abilities on the down low until the merge. I know it'd be tough for sure but I really think I could perform well. Out of all the players that have played I honestly compare myself to Ozzy. I'm fairly athletic, can swim like a fish....not a total moron so I could give a good go at the non physical challenges and all in all I think I could throw a good social game out there.

But, I'll never apply so the point is mute.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 01, 2016, 09:02:12 AM
Well....I wouldn't act like that in front of everyone silly.  :lol  In fact, I'd do what I could to keep my true abilities on the down low until the merge. I know it'd be tough for sure but I really think I could perform well. Out of all the players that have played I honestly compare myself to Ozzy. I'm fairly athletic, can swim like a fish....not a total moron so I could give a good go at the non physical challenges and all in all I think I could throw a good social game out there.

But, I'll never apply so the point is mute.  :lol

That's definitely the one thing we've always said about Ozzy.  I don't think there has ever been a Survivor contestant who could swim like that guy.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 15, 2016, 01:36:14 PM
Survivor returns next Wednesday!  Big event already happening for the first episode:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/09/survivor-millennials-gen-x-evacuated-cyclone-zena/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 15, 2016, 11:39:58 PM
Excellent! I forgot all about Survivor, so it will be nice to have something to watch. I didn't read the link, but I think this season will be quite interesting. I anticipate a lot of obnoxious characters. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 16, 2016, 06:28:37 AM
Big Brother is finishing up the same night, so we're going to have 3 hours of CBS to deal with that night.

Oddly, Amazing Race was renewed, but is NOT on the CBS fall schedule.  Amazing Race and Survivor ALWAYS premiere the same week, so this is going to be weird.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 20, 2016, 09:01:01 AM
Tomorrow night!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 20, 2016, 09:14:33 AM
Tomorrow night!
:metal
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 20, 2016, 09:17:52 AM
I haven't seen the pics of the contestants but I drew "Sunday" and "Taylor" in my office pool this season. Hope they are strong players....would love to bring home the $$...I think our winner this season wins $200
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 20, 2016, 10:33:03 AM
NICE
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2016, 09:28:43 PM
Holy crap, that storm was intense!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2016, 12:18:20 AM
As they said, you know things are bad when they give you a tarp for nothing.

You know things are really bad when they evacuate you.

I'm surprised the millennials managed to win immunity and the Gen X team used all of the shortcuts. I wish they'd booted out Dave though. Even just watching him for 10 seconds made me feel edgy. I can't imagine having to live around camp with that dude. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 22, 2016, 06:15:57 AM
Yeah, he was irritating the hell out of me already.  Calm the fuck down and STFU, dude.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 22, 2016, 07:49:50 AM
I'm surprised the millennials managed to win immunity and the Gen X team used all of the shortcuts.

I can't believe that group of Gen X'rs allowed that chic to talk her way into not only wielding the tomahawk to break the mask but also the puzzle. She obviously was/is a person who cannot perform, anything.

And you guys are right....that dude....man, I can't see him being around much longer. Very annoying
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 22, 2016, 10:00:12 AM
Also, that balance beam, I've never been on one, but for some reason, my brain says if you run across it quick, your chances of falling off are significantly less.  Kinda like how a slow moving bicycle has a greater chance of falling over, then when you gain speed, it's easier to keep it upright.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 22, 2016, 10:05:02 AM
Also, that balance beam, I've never been on one, but for some reason, my brain says if you run across it quick, your chances of falling off are significantly less.  Kinda like how a slow moving bicycle has a greater chance of falling over, then when you gain speed, it's easier to keep it upright.

Neither of those obstacles warranted needing a short cut. It was silly to use them. It's not like those ropes were electrified or even strung so tight you couldn't maneuver through them. Gen X's strategy wasn't smart at all, from using the shortcut to who they selected to represent them at the puzzle. They deserved the loss.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2016, 10:11:58 AM
The thing about their strategy, is that it assumed that the time they'd save by skipping the obstacles would be greater than the offset of the extra puzzle pieces. The problem with this strategy is that it puts their faith entirely in untested players to solve a puzzle quickly, and probably overestimated the time saved.
Right off the bat it shows that at least some of them have less faith in their team's ability to compete physically, and isn't a well rounded strategy based in player's proven strengths. Maybe they expected the Millennials to take some shortcuts too and wanted to even the playing field, but for a first challenge, it was a bad idea to put all of your eggs in one basket like that. If there's any challenge where you should be able to compete physically, it's the first one. It's sliding through some ropes and walking over a beam ffs.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 22, 2016, 10:17:23 AM
The thing about their strategy, is that it assumed that the time they'd save by skipping the obstacles would be greater than the offset of the extra puzzle pieces. The problem with this strategy is that it puts their faith entirely in untested players to solve a puzzle quickly, and probably overestimated the time saved.
Right off the bat it shows that at least some of them have less faith in their team's ability to compete physically, and isn't a well rounded strategy based in player's proven strengths. Maybe they expected the Millennials to take some shortcuts too and wanted to even the playing field, but for a first challenge, it was a bad idea to put all of your eggs in one basket like that. If there's any challenge where you should be able to compete physically, it's the first one. It's sliding through some ropes and walking over a beam ffs.

Exactly. this wasn't a very physically challenging challenge. There really was no good reason to use the shortcuts, at all.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2016, 10:18:20 AM
I think even I could have managed this without much trouble, and believe me that's not something I've ever said about Survivor before. :lol It wasn't strenuous climbing or swimming or endurance, it was basic shit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 22, 2016, 10:20:32 AM
Yep.  There was zero sense in taking those shortcuts.  They got their asses handed to them on the puzzle in pretty short order.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 22, 2016, 10:30:24 AM
Yep.  There was zero sense in taking those shortcuts.  They got their asses handed to them on the puzzle in pretty short order.

As a viewer, you could see immediately that those two had no friggin' clue as to how to attack that puzzle and were panicking big time. Totally wrong people to be attempting that puzzle.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2016, 10:38:33 AM
As a general rule, anyone who says they're good at puzzles is really saying "I suck at physical challenges but will attempt to prove useful in other ways". News flash soccer moms - doing your casual sudoku puzzle is not the same as doing a giant-ass jigsaw puzzle in a contest against another team while everyone's yelling at you.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 22, 2016, 11:28:02 AM
lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 22, 2016, 12:06:57 PM
I generally agree with pretty much all the comments about last night's episode.

lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 22, 2016, 12:35:03 PM
One thing we haven't touched on was the Legacy Clue. That's an interesting twist...especially since we know it will be used being that it has to be 'willed' down the line as contestants are eliminated. Very neat idea.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 22, 2016, 12:43:15 PM
I like it.  Jess, swooped that shit up real quick.  Pretty slick.

From Reality Blurred:

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David freaked out repeatedly, whether it was from the sound of chopping wood, a possible idol hunt, and next week, I assume, the sunrise: OH SHIT A BIG BURNING BALL OF FIRE IS ON THE OCEAN WE’RE ALL GONNA oh what it’s the sun okay.

:rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 22, 2016, 01:27:18 PM
What a douchewipe
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
One thing we haven't touched on was the Legacy Clue. That's an interesting twist...especially since we know it will be used being that it has to be 'willed' down the line as contestants are eliminated. Very neat idea.

That also makes it somewhat of a reward not just for getting that far in the game, but getting far in the game while not pissing off the person just eliminated, so it's as much of a social prize.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 29, 2016, 01:25:02 AM
WHY YOU VOTING OUT ALL THE ASIAN CHICKS?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 29, 2016, 06:26:51 AM
Yeah, that vote made no sense to me.

"LET'S BREAK UP THE TWO IDIOTS THAT ARE ALREADY TRYING TO FORM A POWER COUPLE!!"

"But wait, there's this other completely inconsequential person over here, ZOMG, SHE'S THE BIGGEST THREAT!!!"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 29, 2016, 07:28:17 AM
Yeah, I didn't understand the logic behind that decision at all. If there was some reason, surely they could have edited it in. Damn millennials changing their minds. Maybe they'll tell us next week. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 29, 2016, 07:33:46 AM
That was stupid.

Also, it sucks, because my daughter was watching the show with us.  She knows who Mari is from following her on youtube, so the show was something we could watch together.  Now that Mari is out, she doesn't care anymore.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 29, 2016, 07:47:33 AM
And so far, these people aren't engaging enough to have a non-Survivor regular hooked after two episodes.  Unlike other seasons where after ONE episode, you had to keep watching to see what happens next.  Like Survivor 22 (Redemption Island).  The first Phillip Sheppard season.  That first TC was one of the greatest I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 29, 2016, 07:51:03 AM
When tribal council started, it seemed like it was a little earlier in the episode than usual, so I was maybe expecting something to go down, but nope, it was just young stupid millennials being like "lol we're on Survivor omg it's Jeff Prost who are you voting for I dunno I think I'll take some island selfies first hashtag blindside"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 29, 2016, 07:58:03 AM
I agree.  God I hate this millenial tribe.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 29, 2016, 08:05:10 AM
lol

Morons all of them.  Dude damn near has a heart attack, then stays on, competes, and swims over to get the immunity idol and the millennials are fucking clueless.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 29, 2016, 08:05:48 AM
I know there's *some* element of editing and the producers nudging them in a certain direction in interviews, but I'm also pretty sure they're all just naturally complete dipshits. Makes me ashamed to be associated with that generation.

Well, more ashamed. I have a lot of justified shame already.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 29, 2016, 09:05:25 AM
That was such a random vote and blindside that I'm convinced that it was scripted and produced. CBS wants that couple to remain in the game for drama/ratings so the players were influenced to vote otherwise. That makes more sense than what happened 'naturally'
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 29, 2016, 09:09:08 AM
It's hard to know without full context, but there must have been something that made them all switch their vote to the same person, and I got no indication of that thought process in the episode. Why her? No attention was drawn to her before the vote. Why change their mind to begin with? I'm just confused about the whole thing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 29, 2016, 09:52:20 AM
It's hard to know without full context, but there must have been something that made them all switch their vote to the same person, and I got no indication of that thought process in the episode. Why her? No attention was drawn to her before the vote. Why change their mind to begin with? I'm just confused about the whole thing.

The only 'hint' they gave was them showing a few scenes where that chic was touting the 'blind side' that Figgy was gonna get that night? Other than that and the thirty second conversation on the beach where her name was mentioned to two people....there was no real 'development' of that vote.

It's just weird and fishy and I wouldn't put it past the network to want to keep that 'couple' on the show for ratings/drama etc.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 06, 2016, 05:25:57 AM
Again the Millennials seemed to have the better strategy in the challenge, and won. The puzzle was simple though, so it was an otherwise quite straightforward physical challenge. I've got no problem with Gen-X voting out the old guy.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 06, 2016, 06:13:26 AM
Yeah, he was a little irritating, and when you outright tell the girls TO THEIR FACES that you'll bail on them if the guys want to make an alliance, then do not expect to stick around very long.  Dumbass.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 06, 2016, 06:39:27 AM
Yep. No one to blame but himself on that. And, CBS edited that episode with heavy foreshadowing that he was going home.

Why the Gen X'rs didn't take the same strategy in the challenge is confusing. Millenials definitely whooped them in that respect.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2016, 07:29:32 AM
Yeah, that was a big clusterfuck, although they definitely voted out the correct person.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 06, 2016, 09:04:46 AM
Alos, lol at the millennials getting denied the deal for fishing gear because GX said no.  Andy from Reality Blurred says:

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Of course, the Gen Xers said no, which Michaela astutely observed would never have happened had the Gen Xers been the millennials’ parents, because parents of millennials literally don’t know the word “no.”

:lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 06, 2016, 09:30:22 AM
lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 12, 2016, 11:55:09 PM
Was it really worth it for Mr paranoid to use his idol on that tribal vote? Personally I would have been happy to see both of those girls go. :lol But it didn't seem like a worthwhile strategic move.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 13, 2016, 06:25:09 AM
Yeah, that didn't really make a whole lot of sense to me, as he's now got nothing to save his own ass, but at the same time it was fucking beautiful.  Hey Lucy, you don't talk to people like that.  Demand that they do every goddam thing YOU want from them, then expect them to just lie down and follow orders.  Then pull this "Well, I thought men could handle me being blunt".  You weren't being blunt.  You were being a bitch.  Fuck that noise.  I was happier than a pig in shit to see her go.


Andy from Reality Blurred says:
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Now David is idol-less and even more vulnerable. He would have made himself less of a target if he’d stolen a Survivor transpo department speedboat, found the nearest Target store, stolen its sign, and then worn it around the beach as a costume.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 13, 2016, 06:38:40 AM
I was happy to see her control freak bitch ass get voted out too, but I would have been equally happy to see weird face dead eyes go too. Not really worth saving on any level. I would have just ridden it out and let her continue digging her own grave while retaining the idol as a safety net for myself.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 13, 2016, 12:50:09 PM
Probably won't be worth it long term to him, but that was beautiful, seeing the look on Jess's face as she realized that the male model had told her the truth, and her time would have been over if not for Dave's sacrifice.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 13, 2016, 12:53:28 PM
Yep and when she asked him at Tribal if she should believe he was telling the truth and he said "YES!", the look on his face was as genuine as anyone has ever looked when they've told the truth about something.  His face should have clued her in.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 14, 2016, 09:01:47 AM
Also, now, when it's time to screw her over in the future, she will believe whatever he says lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 14, 2016, 09:07:23 AM
At least she knows now not to trust her alliance, after one by one, they all voted her out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 14, 2016, 09:13:52 AM
Indeed.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 20, 2016, 06:34:12 AM
Mostly benign episode.  Seemed a forgone conclusion that CeCe would go.  And how awesome is it that David found another idol?  I hope to hell Ken realizes what an enormous red flag the Taylor/Figgy situation is, pulls Jessica and Adam together and sends one of them packing, should they go to TC.  Interesting to see them split into three tribes.  I thought for sure it would be the standard two team mix up.  I wouldn't have wanted to be the team picked to have to start from scratch.  Though Michaela ruled that episode for the Ikabula tribe.  Started fire AND won the challenge for them.  Boom.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 20, 2016, 06:43:57 AM
Yeah, a bit of an unexpected twist to swap from 2 teams to 3 teams. They've started with 3 several times and merged down to 2, but not the other way around that I've seen.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 20, 2016, 07:31:08 AM
Yep, that was definitely different. 
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 20, 2016, 07:42:59 AM
No doubt CC needed to go...she's been horrid at the challenges and has just been gliding along. Really no surprise there other than she really thought she was safe.

I'm curious as to how long they'll have the three tribes and if when they merge it's 'the' merge....to one?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 20, 2016, 07:45:23 AM
David should be thanking his lucky stars that they didn't vote HIM out, after his ridiculously abysmal challenge performance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 20, 2016, 08:55:15 AM
David should be thanking his lucky stars that they didn't vote HIM out, after his ridiculously abysmal challenge performance.

he honestly did look like he was throwing it. I mean, kicking that bouey across the dock multiple times AFTER he swam like a 4 year old in the ocean to get there? dude definitely has zero physical game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2016, 07:37:30 PM
If you're gonna break up the power couple why not get rid of the physical threat? I'd have sent Tahlor home, not Figgy. Either way....good move IMO.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 27, 2016, 12:16:06 AM
If you're gonna break up the power couple why not get rid of the physical threat? I'd have sent Tahlor home, not Figgy. Either way....good move IMO.

With such low numbers per team, it could also be in their best interest to keep the stronger player for challenges so they can keep the numbers. Or maybe they got along better with the guy. The game of Survivor is a balancing act, so there's merit to both choices. Not sure either choice was really better or worse.
But agreed that splitting up the couple was a good idea regardless of who. It was a bad move to make it public, but they had to given how terrible they were at keeping it a secret in the first place. Such millennials. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 27, 2016, 06:30:47 AM
And my, isn't she full of herself?  I take it as a compliment, they had to get me out, because I was such a force to be reckoned with that I'd have taken them all out.

Clearly someone who always got a ribbon for participation and never had to be told "You know what your team lost, because the other team was better".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 27, 2016, 06:31:22 AM
Clearly someone who always got a ribbon for participation and never had to be told "You know what your team lost, because the other team was better".

This basically defines the entire Millennial generation. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 27, 2016, 06:33:20 AM
Exactly why she obviously thought so highly of herself.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 27, 2016, 08:06:57 AM
And my, isn't she full of herself?  I take it as a compliment, they had to get me out, because I was such a force to be reckoned with that I'd have taken them all out.

Clearly someone who always got a ribbon for participation and never had to be told "You know what your team lost, because the other team was better".

Yeah, I chuckled at that. She certainly was no where near as good a player she thought she was. She struggled in everything she attempted in the challenges.

How about the two bone heads who let someone sneak up on them while finding the idol. That one dude specifically said "keep an eye out"  :lol   
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on October 27, 2016, 08:13:37 AM
That shit was awesome.  Boom, you got found out, morons.  I'm on the fence about Michaela.  She has been pretty much saving her tribe's ass the last two episodes, but now she's getting a little on the mouthy/bitchy side.  She totally steamrolled Hannah and was kinda rude.  I don't care how much you think "I got this", STFU and don't be a bitch.

Also, it's great to see Figgy and Taylor split up.  Then Probst starts pressing them at Tribal.  lol.  Andy from Reality Blurred says (https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/10/survivor-truth-works-well-recap/):

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Figgy and Taylor’s showmance (or “-mance,” as Adam called it) did survive long enough to be uncovered at Tribal Council, where Jeff Probst went for the story he’s craving: The Bachelor.

But Jeff Probst trying to talk two millennials having a fling on a beach into getting married was a bit like watching an old man toddle up to a McDonald’s counter and demanding Chipotle. He tried hard, but he was putting coins in a parking meter and expecting to get a Pepsi out of it.

Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 31, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
Finally caught the episode.

Yeah, breaking up the couple was the only rational move to make.  We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 02, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
Dem tribal reactions! :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 03, 2016, 06:14:00 AM
That was ridiculously satisfying.  Her reactions were all the reason she needed to go.  Cocky and arrogant.  GTFO.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 03, 2016, 07:32:28 AM
That was fun lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 03, 2016, 08:38:39 PM
That was satisfying to watch for all the reasons stated. She was cocky....but she was good also. Had she made the merge she'd have been a force to be reckoned with. Smart to blindside her before she would have been a jury member.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 09, 2016, 10:26:04 PM
Yet another advantage in the game. This on top of the one that was found at the start. I can't even remember who got that one?

And I hate the Millennials so much. Everything's just a joke. HAR HAR LET'S BLINDSIDE HIM THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS. I STOLE THE FOOD SO FUNNY!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 10, 2016, 07:30:22 AM
I want Taylor to go home.  Soon.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 10, 2016, 01:15:15 PM
Yet another advantage in the game. This on top of the one that was found at the start. I can't even remember who got that one?

And I hate the Millennials so much. Everything's just a joke. HAR HAR LET'S BLINDSIDE HIM THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS. I STOLE THE FOOD SO FUNNY!

Jessica, the big-eyed Susan Sarandon look alike got the legacy reward.

And yes, get Taylor out NOW.  Smug, self-important little shithead.  He steals food from everyone, jokes about it, clearly is NOT sorry and does not give a shit, and they keep him.  WTF?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 16, 2016, 10:26:40 PM
I'm glad to see all the votes going towards douchebag millennials tonight. :lol Well done.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 17, 2016, 06:17:53 AM
GOD, that was awesome.  Fuck you, shitbag.  Him and Jay can both eat a bag of dicks.  NOT cool throwing Adam under the bus like that.  I mean, I get it, you have to do what you have to do to stay in, but those guys were cocks about it the entire time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 17, 2016, 06:30:06 AM
The only bummer about Taylor going home is that i drew him in our office pool. But i knew early on he would not make a good run being how big a d bag he is, at least I still have Summer left.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 17, 2016, 06:35:15 AM
That was one of the most satisfying vote-offs I think I've ever seen.  God I hated that douchebag.  Additionally, he had a relationship with someone pre-show, got her pregnant, went on the show, had the whole thing with Figgy, they get out of the show, she finds out, and dumps his dumb ass.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/11/survivor-taylor-stocker-pregnant-baby-figgy/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 17, 2016, 06:54:27 AM
Also, don't forget, the first two Ponderosa videos are up.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 17, 2016, 07:37:03 AM
Glad to see Taylor go.

Methinks Adam is not long for this show.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 17, 2016, 08:11:02 AM
Methinks Adam is not long for this show.

yeah....the rug has been pulled out from underneath him now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 23, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
Great 2 hour episode. Nice blindside on Chris and drawing rocks is crazy. Still confused why David would play that idol for Ken when his name hadn't been mentioned at all. I'm sure he panicked a bit but that was a massive error on his part.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2016, 12:21:36 AM
Great 2 hour episode. Nice blindside on Chris and drawing rocks is crazy. Still confused why David would play that idol for Ken when his name hadn't been mentioned at all. I'm sure he panicked a bit but that was a massive error on his part.

He definitely panicked. He played it for himself, then changed his mind without thinking when someone mentioned Ken's name. He wasted that idol. Maybe it will earn him some points with Ken, although I don't know that he needed it or that it will help.
I knew tribal was going to be crazy when there were like 10 minutes left in the episode and they were already reading out the votes. Great stuff. I'm actually happy with how it turned out because I don't know how much longer I could stand to see Jess' head.

And I was really really hoping I'd never have to hear the term voting block ever again.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 30, 2016, 06:47:51 AM
So yeah, what a topsy turvy Tribal Council that was last week.  I didn't mind Jess at all, but the weird sort of wide-eyed Susan Sarandon kinda thing she had going on was a little odd.  HUGE fuck up on David's part.  He should have realized that throwing Ken's name out at TC last second was a red herring, to throw them off the vote for Hannah.  Easy to say from my couch, I guess, but still, the WHOLE TIME, they were targeting Hannah, why would they suddenly switch at the last second?

Also, I've been watching the Ponderosas.  Always good stuff and I'm glad I finally started watching them.


I don't know how much longer I could stand to see Jess' head.

Jess is considerably more presentable to the camera after getting settled in at Ponderosa.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 30, 2016, 07:32:25 AM
I need to watch the Ponderosa episodes. Haven't yet.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 30, 2016, 07:34:22 AM
There's four to catch up on.  I think it was you that convinced me to start watching them.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 30, 2016, 07:37:24 AM
There's four to catch up on.  I think it was you that convinced me to start watching them.

Could have been. I remember talking about them. I keep telling myself to but the Miller house has been crazy! These kids Intell ya, they keep 'needing' things and expect me to be their Dad and all of that.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 30, 2016, 07:42:17 AM
Unacceptable!  My stepson goes for his driving test on Saturday morning.  Assuming he passes, the load is likely about to lighten for all of us, responsibility-wise, since we can now send him out for errands and he can come and go without us having to take him around.  Also, when we're all drinking on a Saturday night, we can send him to go for pizza or fast food.  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 30, 2016, 08:09:16 AM
Unacceptable!  My stepson goes for his driving test on Saturday morning.  Assuming he passes, the load is likely about to lighten for all of us, responsibility-wise, since we can now send him out for errands and he can come and go without us having to take him around.  Also, when we're all drinking on a Saturday night, we can send him to go for pizza or fast food.  :lol

Nice! With them being 10,9 and 6 I'm limited to the free labor I can get from them.   :lol   A lot of housework chores and that's about it. If I weren't so anal about my lawn and landscaping I'd have trained my 10 year old on cutting grass by now but i want to keep that one for myself for a bit.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 30, 2016, 10:40:04 PM
Adam had a good episode. I knew he was going to say he wasn't using his advantage to steal the reward. Then he got picked anyway for it. That's the reward he (and everyone) really wanted anyway, so it wasn't a big loss to give it away. I'd let everyone else know I'd given it away though, take some heat off himself. Then he wins immunity and uses his idol to save his alliance.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 01, 2016, 06:24:50 AM
I was starting to tire of Zeke, so this episode was awesome.  If anyone wondered, if someone is voted out and votes are left unrevealed, (like last night, two remained), Probst DOES NOT reveal those votes to the remaining survivors.  So none of them know for sure how Will voted.  I figured that was the case, but checked with Andy from Reality Blurred, who confirmed it.  Andy has been on location for several past seasons of Survivor and been part of the "Dream Team" that tests out the challenges (the faceless people you see running through the challenge while Probst is explaining how the challenge works), so I figured he'd have the scoop on it.  It was good for Adam to play the idol, for the "he fucking got us" on the other alliance, but unfortunately, he didn't need to use it, since Adam voted Zeke out.  Oh well.

Also, after a winter hiatus, Amazing Race returns April 21 and the next season of Survivor has its two hour debut on March 8.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 01, 2016, 06:26:46 AM
Also, the cast for next season's Survivor.  All returnees:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/05/survivor-34-cast-all-stars/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 01, 2016, 07:11:14 AM
All in all, I thought that was a pretty good episode.  Too bad that Adam effectively wasted his hidden immunity ballsack idol, but it still turned out fine.  Zeke was a huge threat, and needed to be taken out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 01, 2016, 07:43:28 AM
I was starting to tire of Zeke, so this episode was awesome. 

yeah...initially I liked him but his attitude shifted somewhere along the line and he got to be pretty annoying to me. Was glad to see him go. Honestly, if I had a 'favorite' right now and someone I'd like to see win it'd be Jay. I like the way he's playing. Strategic yet he's not a complete dick about any of it. I liked Ken up until last night....that was just an odd thing to do?

Adam is a close second for me also, he's played tough.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 01, 2016, 07:47:52 AM
Jay got very much under my skin when he, in cahoots with douche Taylor, conspired to throw Adam under the bus a few weeks ago.  Now, I will say that Jay redeemed himself to me considerably when he rewarded Adam's good will in NOT stealing a family visit from anyone, by letting him in on the reward.  THAT was a fucking class move.

I've been a big fan of Ken all the way, but last night, both of us were sitting there scratching our heads like "DUDE, WTF, JUST GO ALONG WITH IT AND STFU!"

Also:

ballsack idol

That was awesome.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 01, 2016, 07:50:21 AM
Jay got very much under my skin when he, in cahoots with douche Taylor, conspired to throw Adam under the bus a few weeks ago.  Now, I will say that Jay redeemed himself to me considerably when he rewarded Adam's good will in NOT stealing a family visit from anyone, by letting him in on the reward.  THAT was a fucking class move.

I've been a big fan of Ken all the way, but last night, both of us were sitting there scratching our heads like "DUDE, WTF, JUST GO ALONG WITH IT AND STFU!"

I agree with all of that, although I still think Jay leans towards douchebag. But he's less of a douchebag since the other dude got booted.
Ken's a nice guy, but that move was just bad gameplay.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 01, 2016, 07:54:14 AM
Jay got very much under my skin when he, in cahoots with douche Taylor, conspired to throw Adam under the bus a few weeks ago.  Now, I will say that Jay redeemed himself to me considerably when he rewarded Adam's good will in NOT stealing a family visit from anyone, by letting him in on the reward.  THAT was a fucking class move.

I've been a big fan of Ken all the way, but last night, both of us were sitting there scratching our heads like "DUDE, WTF, JUST GO ALONG WITH IT AND STFU!"

I agree with all of that, although I still think Jay leans towards douchebag. But he's less of a douchebag since the other dude got booted.
Ken's a nice guy, but that move was just bad gameplay.

Agree about Jays past. I think since Taylor has left he's been a different, better person and player. And agree about Ken. Nice guy and easy to like but what he did last night shows he doesn't have a clue as to how to play Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 01, 2016, 08:24:46 AM
Yeah, until last night Ken was one of our favorites, but we were also literally screaming at the TV asking him what the hell he was thinking.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 01, 2016, 08:26:41 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 01, 2016, 11:33:56 AM
On the other forum I frequent, it was said (basically) that these people act like they've been away from family for 10 years, judging by their reactions and I got to thinking about it.  They eat very little.  They may get a few hours of sleep a night.  They live in a constant state of paranoia that someone is going to stab them in the back.  So much so that I've read that it is not out of the ordinary for Survivor and Big Brother contestants to return to normal life and have trouble trusting people for a while.  Even loved ones.  You put all of those things together and couple them with exposure to the elements and sometimes physically demanding challenges, I can totally understand how the presence of a loved one who you know you can trust and who cares about you, could elicit such an emotional response.

If I were out there for a month I would be a complete and total fucking MESS at the sight of my wife.  I'm not sure if I would be capable of controlling my emotions.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 01, 2016, 09:31:58 PM
I miss my family members if I haven't seen them for a week, and that's when I'm at home under normal conditions. :lol Now stick me on some shitty hot island with hardly any shelter, with a bunch of strangers all being phony a-holes trying to backstab each other, where everything said is part of a plan with barely any food or sleep, and I'd be beyond thrilled to see a familiar face I can trust. It's basically like being in prison, except with the promise of money. :lol

That said, I always entirely skip past the family stuff, because I have no interest in seeing the same cheap contrived emotional moments every season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 07, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
Next week is the finale!  Feels like it just got started!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 07, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
Next week is the finale!  Feels like it just got started!
Really?  Holy crap!

It will be back in March!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 07, 2016, 11:13:02 PM
They're mowing through this tail end, when this is always the best part. Is it usually this rushed? This episode felt uneventful just because it had to move so fast to get through two tribals.
It's a shame Will went because he was likeable, although he seemed to think a lot more of himself than he really deserved to for what he'd done. :lol
I'm ok wth Sunday going. She was useless. I'm probably going for Adam at this point.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 08, 2016, 06:17:20 AM
Yeah, Will's "I'm in control, I need stuff for my resume" line of thought was already starting to get old.  You're a kid sitting at the grown-ups table.  You want points on your resume?  Fucking earn them like everyone else.  Sure, his swing vote saved Hannah last week except no.  Adam made sure that Zeke would've gone home no matter what Will did.  I'm kinda hoping for Adam to win at this point also.

I don't recall if I mentioned it, but apparently two weeks after his mother went off the last round of medications, she passed away.   :'(
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 08, 2016, 06:24:56 AM
Yeah, Will's "I'm in control, I need stuff for my resume" line of thought was already starting to get old.  You're a kid sitting at the grown-ups table.  You want points on your resume?  Fucking earn them like everyone else.  Sure, his swing vote saved Hannah last week except no.  Adam made sure that Zeke would've gone home no matter what Will did.  I'm kinda hoping for Adam to win at this point also.

I don't recall if I mentioned it, but apparently two weeks after his mother went off the last round of medications, she passed away.   :'(

Damn, that's sad to hear, although unfortunately expected. He'll probably be a mess at the reunion. Hadn't she been off the meds for a couple of weeks at the family visit though? Or am I remembering wrong?
I'm not an emotional person, but I like how he's played the game and would like to see him win, and I wouldn't want him sacrificing those last times with his mother for nothing. It's little consolation, but it might help.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 08, 2016, 06:28:04 AM
Hard to keep track of the timeline, since it's filmed so early.  Last Tribal Council was on May 11.  She died May 14th.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/11/survivor-adam-klein-mom-susie-died-cancer/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 08, 2016, 06:35:45 AM
Maybe I missed it in the article, but did he manage to see his mother again before she died, or would he still have been away? I'm thinking the latter, which I can't even imagine how devastated he'd feel. :(
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 08, 2016, 06:43:37 AM
Hard to keep track of the timeline, since it's filmed so early.  Last Tribal Council was on May 11.  She died May 14th.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/11/survivor-adam-klein-mom-susie-died-cancer/

That is such a bummer. Man....


As for Blobs point....that episode was a fast paced one. Sunday was my last chance to win the office pool but she wasn't getting any votes to win anyway. At this point, depending on who makes it to the end, Adam, Jay or David can win it. I'm rooting for Adam with Jay in a close second.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 08, 2016, 06:45:55 AM
Maybe I missed it in the article, but did he manage to see his mother again before she died, or would he still have been away? I'm thinking the latter, which I can't even imagine how devastated he'd feel. :(

I was trying to determine that myself, but am not sure.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 08, 2016, 07:41:44 AM
For some reason, I get enjoyment from scouring Google maps to try to find Survivor locations.  Since the actual tribe camp locations are usually harder to find, I usually look for the Ponderosa location.  Watching the videos, it was easy to see the shape of the island, but no amount of looking around found it for me.  The Ponderosa video gives you an impression of the way the island may look, but in reality, it's a little different.  I did some searching and found that this season's Ponderosa is on Bekana Island, just off the NW coast of mainland Fiji:

https://www.google.com/maps/@-17.591868,177.4409033,723m/data=!3m1!1e3

It's a bigger looking island than it looks like on the Ponderosa videos.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 08, 2016, 11:23:51 AM
Just watched all the Ponderosa episodes....minus Taylor and Zeke....that'd be a neat experience and it's nice that is sort of a 'participation trophy' to lessen the blow of losing. I'd much rather be the first jury member than the last though...just to enjoy the most time you possibly could at Ponderosa
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 08, 2016, 11:28:52 AM
I still get the feeling that Will thinks a heck of a lot more of his gameplay than he should.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 08, 2016, 11:48:53 AM
I still get the feeling that Will thinks a heck of a lot more of his gameplay than he should.

He does. I mean, he flipped on his alliance once. Big deal. My wife was thrilled he got voted off because she said she couldn't take the way he talked any longer. It was an odd cadence and projection. He's a young dude and like all young dudes he probably thinks he is king sh%t. Talk to him in 10 years after life has had it's way with him for a bit  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 08, 2016, 11:52:43 AM
:rollin

No shit.  He hadn't really annoyed me all that much nutil the last week or two.

Then Sunday - I'm pretty sure she spoke more in her Ponderosa than her entire time on the show itself, mainly because all she ever said was "We need to get Jess out", then when Jess left, Sunday had nothing else to say.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 14, 2016, 09:29:23 PM
Totally fine with Adam winning, especially given his story. But i found myself rooting for Ken again at the end. All in all pretty cool season.

 Ext season looks interesting although i can do without Ty. He annoyed the heck out of me in his season. It'll be interesting to see if Ozzy has any gas left in the tank.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 14, 2016, 11:17:19 PM
Damn, Adam's mother died an hour after he got home. Damn.

I was happy to see Adam win it, although I was also kind of going for Ken. I wouldn't have had a problem with any of them winning though, and Adam was deserving. The thing I realized at the final tribal council, is that despite the blindsides, nobody was really bitter or out against any individual. They all seemed to respect the gameplay, and they took it well. That was cool. I'm surprised Adam got a clean sweep. I expected at least a couple of votes for Ken. I think his story was an influence.

That fake idol was hilarious. Is this the first time anyone has been duped into playing a fake idol without realizing it? :lol Jay got punked and took it well.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2016, 07:05:58 AM
There have been a few times where people have been duped into playing a fake idol, but there was something about this one that was just so epic.  I mean hook, line, and sinker, Jay didn't even question it.  Which I find a little odd.  It didn't appear that David had put an official note in with it, so there was nothing with it to say "Yes, this is official", like normal and Jay had an immunity idol already and saw several others played.  They were kinda teardrop shaped.  He knew what they looked like and didn't question that this one didn't look like all the others.  So yeah, crazy epic play on David's part.

I'm quite pleased with how this ended up.  Adam really deserved it, though Ken winning wouldn't have bothered me all that much.  Hannah, I guess I get what she was saying, and for a while there, it started to look like she was being very convincing, but clearly nobody was buying it, and that's good.  Adam needed to keep it in everyone's head that she was all over the place and somehow he did.

And I was also surprised at the amazing lack of sour grapes on the jury.  Usually they're bitter and pissed off and just assholes about it and they often (IMO) give it to someone underserving, because they're so mad at the deserving person that they fuck them over out of spite.  Really glad to see that didn't happen this time around.

Info on next season and full list of returnees:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/12/survivor-game-changers-spoilers-cast-season-34/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 15, 2016, 07:16:05 AM
There have been a few times where people have been duped into playing a fake idol, but there was something about this one that was just so epic.  I mean hook, line, and sinker, Jay didn't even question it.  Which I find a little odd.  It didn't appear that David had put an official note in with it, so there was nothing with it to say "Yes, this is official", like normal and Jay had an immunity idol already and saw several others played.  They were kinda teardrop shaped.  He knew what they looked like and didn't question that this one didn't look like all the others.  So yeah, crazy epic play on David's part.


I could be wrong, but it looked to me like the note was included because I was looking out for that, but he obviously didn't open it up properly to read because he knew what it was.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2016, 07:18:21 AM
Okay, I wasn't sure.  Usually they make a scene of the person opening the note and reading it, so I think I assumed there wasn't one.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 15, 2016, 07:21:10 AM
I could be wrong (especially as I was watching a shifty low quality stream on the internet), but it appeared it was wrapped with the note. He definitely didn't read anything though.

The list of returning players doesn't mean much to me, as I have the shittiest memory for names. Give me some pictures, guys! :lol I recognized most of the few players they showed on the reunion, a couple I didn't at least without context. I'm sure I'll be familiar with most of them though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2016, 07:28:38 AM
Oddly, I don't think Jeff remembered to mention last night that Zeke would be returning.  Here's some info with pics of the players:

https://insidesurvivor.com/survivor-game-changers-tribe-names-and-divisions-13372
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 15, 2016, 07:31:11 AM
Thank you very much. At a glance, I remember exactly half of them. The rest I either don't know, or don't recall. Some great choices though.

I recall Probst quickly pointing out whoever it was from the current season returning, but it went by really quick and I didn't even remember.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2016, 07:32:07 AM
It was Michaela.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 15, 2016, 07:34:30 AM
I'd actually forgotten she was this season, even after seeing her picture. :lol I never remember people that well from before the merge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 15, 2016, 07:51:12 AM
Oddly, I don't think Jeff remembered to mention last night that Zeke would be returning.  Here's some info with pics of the players:

https://insidesurvivor.com/survivor-game-changers-tribe-names-and-divisions-13372


Yeah, I could really do without Zeke, Tai and Ceri. All annoying as hell to me. Especially with Zeke being so fresh in the mind it's gonna be tough to not hope he's eliminated immediately.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2016, 07:56:27 AM
Yeah, that's the danger with back to back season players.  You don't have the time to forget why they annoyed you in the first place.  Cirie and Sandra will irk me.  If they don't vote Sandra out first, they're all idiots.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 15, 2016, 07:57:52 AM
We thought it was a great season, and Adam was deserving.  I don't think that Ken got enough credit for staying with Dave all season, only to kick him to the curb at the end.

Looking forward to next season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2016, 08:02:45 AM
Ken had one of the best lines of the whole season, about David being his number 2 alliance, but that his daughter was his number 1 alliance.  I thought for sure that would buy him some votes.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 15, 2016, 08:07:32 AM
We thought it was a great season, and Adam was deserving.  I don't think that Ken got enough credit for staying with Dave all season, only to kick him to the curb at the end.

Looking forward to next season.

Ken had one of the best lines of the whole season, about David being his number 2 alliance, but that his daughter was his number 1 alliance.  I thought for sure that would buy him some votes.


Had Ken been able to articulate his game better, he'd have certainly garnered some votes. That's where Adam shined. He had a plan and a dialogue ready to go on why he should win and it worked....and was right. He deserved to win yet Ken had he been able just to speak a bit better and develop a good argument could have easily won as well, and would have been just as deserving. I think they both played the game they wanted to play.

I do believe Ken would have been better off taking David instead of Adam....I think the jury members had it out for David more than they did for Adam. There was no way for Ken to know that Adam had his moms story to tell, and I think that was the nail in the coffin....and if you watch Hannah knows it as her expression when they cut to her after Adam telling that story pretty much said 'well, that's that'....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2016, 08:11:58 AM
Yep, I thought the same thing.  She knew it was over and the reactions from the jury also said it all, like "Oh shit, I had no idea, how could I not vote for him?"

I also kinda hoped Jeff would do his usual thing at the reunion, and ask "If David had gone to FTC instead of Adam, who would've voted for him?"
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 15, 2016, 08:18:46 AM
Yep, I thought the same thing.  She knew it was over and the reactions from the jury also said it all, like "Oh shit, I had no idea, how could I not vote for him?"

I also kinda hoped Jeff would do his usual thing at the reunion, and ask "If David had gone to FTC instead of Adam, who would've voted for him?"

Given the circumstances, they might not have wanted to take anything away from Adam's win. Not that it really would have, but still, you get what I mean. They did seem rushed for time though, didn't feel like they fit much in.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 15, 2016, 08:21:15 AM
It always goes like that.  The actual reunion show started late.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2017, 07:49:51 AM
Wow...did you see this? So sad....

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/01/04/survivor-gabon-contestant-dan-kay-dies-40.html
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 04, 2017, 08:01:27 AM
Saw this last night, was trying to remember him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 04, 2017, 08:10:44 AM
Saw this last night, was trying to remember him.

Me too. Had to look up some additional pictures in order to ring a bell. It's always sad when someone dies young....and it's even worse when they have young kids. One of my worst fears is dropping dead and leaving my young sons without a father for the majority of their lives.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 04, 2017, 08:15:42 AM
I watched a little bit of footage and do vaguely remember him.  Oddly enough, I remember the elephants in the river more than I remember him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 27, 2017, 07:26:11 AM
Survivor returns next Wednesday, March 8th!  As a reminder, here's the cast of all returnees:

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2016/12/survivor-game-changers-spoilers-cast-season-34/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 27, 2017, 07:28:10 AM
Still means nothing to me without pictures. :lol
But as usual, I had no idea this was back until seeing this thread bumped. :metal
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 27, 2017, 07:29:08 AM
This might help:

https://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/cast/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 27, 2017, 08:41:50 AM
Thank you sir. :tup
So, I actually recognize the majority of those, which is good. Of course, if you don't recognize Ozzy by now, you probably have never watched Survivor. He must be their fallback. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 27, 2017, 11:32:35 AM
Looking forward to this!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 27, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
Looks alright. I could do without Zeke, Tai, Sandra, Ciera, Cirie and Debbie....I find those folks utterly annoying and am already looking forward to them being voted off. But I get it why they were cast again.....
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 27, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Looks alright. I could do without Zeke, Tai, Sandra, Ciera, Cirie and Debbie....I find those folks utterly annoying and am already looking forward to them being voted off. But I get it why they were cast again.....

I was thinking the same with Sandra, Cirie, Debbie, and Ciera.  Zeke irritated me last season, but I'll see if he's any better this time around.  Tai, I'm okay with.

After seeing Caleb be a creep on Big Brother, then redeem himself on Survivor, only to get airlifted out due to heat stroke, I'm glad to see he's coming back.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 27, 2017, 02:14:10 PM
Looks alright. I could do without Zeke, Tai, Sandra, Ciera, Cirie and Debbie....I find those folks utterly annoying and am already looking forward to them being voted off. But I get it why they were cast again.....

I was thinking the same with Sandra, Cirie, Debbie, and Ciera.  Zeke irritated me last season, but I'll see if he's any better this time around.  Tai, I'm okay with.

After seeing Caleb be a creep on Big Brother, then redeem himself on Survivor, only to get airlifted out due to heat stroke, I'm glad to see he's coming back.

I liked Tai for the majority of his season....then he just lost it for me and became real annoying to me....can't put my finger on why? Same with Zeke. I started off really liking him but then he got real arrogant and annoying at a point and it was off putting.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 27, 2017, 02:15:45 PM
For me, that was more the case with Zeke.  He started even getting a little bully-ish at one point.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 01, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
Interesting.  A change up of the rules regarding tie votes at TC:

https://ew.com/tv/2017/02/28/survivor-jeff-probst-game-changers-revote/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 01, 2017, 09:52:26 AM
Hm, I think I like it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 01, 2017, 09:58:37 AM
I was trying to figure out how this was going to change things, it seemed a little confusing, but I think I've got it now.  In any instance where they majority has double the votes of the minority and chooses to split the vote from the onset, they can't fall back on the luxury of a revote, to switch all their votes to one person.  They immediately risk going to rocks and potentially going home themselves.  Nice.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 01, 2017, 10:50:59 AM
I was trying to figure out how this was going to change things, it seemed a little confusing, but I think I've got it now.  In any instance where they majority has double the votes of the minority and chooses to split the vote from the onset, they can't fall back on the luxury of a revote, to switch all their votes to one person.  They immediately risk going to rocks and potentially going home themselves.  Nice.

yep....it's a good change to end what was a lame approach/tactic.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 01, 2017, 01:14:10 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 01, 2017, 01:15:54 PM
Me too.  It's a good shakeup.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 08, 2017, 05:09:09 PM
Tonight's the night!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 08, 2017, 08:30:06 PM
Give Sandra win number three right now. These morons are gonna hand it right to her.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 08, 2017, 10:37:51 PM
Give Sandra win number three right now. These morons are gonna hand it right to her.

No kidding. I'd have voted her out just for the fact she's won TWICE. Kick her out and then start. I'm curious as to if her little bravado tirade towards Tony will alarm anyone....about her being the Queen and so on?

Anyway, I'm already sick of Tai and the chicken thing. I'd kill every one of those chickens at once and eat them right in front of him.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 09, 2017, 07:34:05 AM
Give Sandra win number three right now. These morons are gonna hand it right to her.

No kidding. I'd have voted her out just for the fact she's won TWICE. Kick her out and then start. I'm curious as to if her little bravado tirade towards Tony will alarm anyone....about her being the Queen and so on?
I hope so.  That shit was getting really old really quick throughout the whole show.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 09, 2017, 08:02:10 AM
And Sandra IS right, the likelihood of someone awarding her a third win at the end may not be real high, but you never know.  That's what she's banking on, and if she gets there, she can say "Look at this.  I've won twice, they should've voted me out the first chance they got, and I'm still here" and win again.  I just hope it doesn't come to that.  She needs to go.  Take your overconfident "queen" bullshit, STFU, and GTFO.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 09, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Anyway, I'm already sick of Tai and the chicken thing. I'd kill every one of those chickens at once and eat them right in front of him.

:lol Yes! I really don't like Tai, between the animal stuff, and being a downright crappy strategical player, both of which were on show already.

I would have liked to see Tony stay longer. He was so crazy paranoid, but he made things interesting. He can't be that much of a threat yet when everyone knows him and his tactics. That whole thing with him building the bunker and listening in felt very fake and planned to me though.

So far I like the changes they've made to the game, including the preview for next week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 10, 2017, 06:15:11 AM
The bunker was a ridiculous thing.  He did that on his original season, in a place that was MUCH better secluded from the water/mail place.  This time, he was literally trying to build a dugout RIGHT NEXT TO IT.  WTF?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 15, 2017, 07:17:36 PM
Damn these people are fucking dumb. How the hell do you choose to keep Hali?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 15, 2017, 09:31:30 PM
Damn these people are fucking dumb. How the hell do you choose to keep Hali?

One of the dumbest vote outs ever. That'll turn into 'girl power' real quick and Tai and Culpepper are gone. Just a stuiped decision.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 16, 2017, 06:39:46 AM
I have no problem seeing "F*ck You Brad Culpeper" go home.  And the whole goat sequence was just uncomfortable.  Couple with Sandra's insistence that "f*ck you, we're gonna eat it".  That was just unsettling.  I'm glad that they all thought better of it.  Also, if that HAD gone through with it, I can guarantee you, there would've been public outrage.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 16, 2017, 06:58:29 AM
That goat thing was just silly. And you're right, that'd have been the talk of the twin for a news cycle or so.

The only reason I'm rooting for Culpepper is that I have him in my office pool. Him and Malcolm. I also have JT and Debbie in the 'B' pool.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 16, 2017, 01:59:17 PM
In an interview with Caleb that was posted online today:

On how much pre-existing personal connections impact the game:
“You know, you have your pre-game alliances and people call each other and there are several people that have played together and it does make you wonder. Like at my Tribal Council, Sierra and Hali. One thing that they didn’t show was Sierra called me out. She says, ‘Well, Tai was at your wedding. Why would we keep you two here together?’ And I said, ‘Well, you and Hali have matching tattoos from the last time you played.’”

Goes to show you how heavily the longer-than-what-we-see TCs are edited.  It just irks the shit out of me how much Probst and co. insist on fucking with stuff just to fuck with stuff.  Storylines were developing just fine and BOOM.  Switch.  Effectively fucking SEVERAL people at random for no good reason.  Each tribe has very clear targets now that they didn't have before and it's extremely not cool.  It's why Caleb left.  He was unlucky enough to be the odd man out on a tribe with someone he shouldn't have ended up near.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 22, 2017, 08:11:54 PM
SON OF A MUTHA FU%KING BITCH! I just lost my best shot at cashing in in the office pool. Utterly ridiculous that Malcolm is gone. JT sucks....little dick. Why Sandra is still around blows my mind.

I've not been this ticked about someone getting kicked off since Fighter Pilot Terry in his original season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 22, 2017, 11:54:10 PM
Fuck, that sucks . I would have loved to see Sierra or Culpepper go, and wipe the smug look off their stupid faces.
Crazy tribal though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 23, 2017, 06:13:29 AM
Sierra or Culpeper would be fine with me, I never cared for either of them, but I never like seeing a majority tribe flex their muscle on a tribe with lesser numbers, so saving Sierra didn't bother me.  Malcolm going, however did.  MORONS.  WTF?  How in God's name do you continue to let Sandra stick around??  Malcolm WON the reward challenge for you today.  Sandra contributes NOTHING.  WTF???
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 23, 2017, 08:15:06 AM
I still can't get over the fact that Malcolm actually went home last night. What a friggin' bummer. Such a good player and seemingly cool guy. That's one of the things that drives me insane about Survivor is that people who "shouldn't" still be around always seem to be the ones that make it the furthest.

Still can't figure out why JT told Culpepper they were going for Sierra? I guess it was his hope they'd vote out Sandra, but still....what a bad play. He's pretty much screwed now I'd think.

Malcolm has to be so ticked that Varner didn't land that ball in the hole when he was literally three inches from it to win immunity.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 23, 2017, 08:20:09 AM
Undoubtedly.  THAT sucked.  Sooooo close.  What an unbelievably frantic TC.  I've never seen anything like it, but I guess I wouldn't have.  This was a first and I'm not sure I liked it.  Again, JP and company trying so hard to push the Game Changers concept, that I'm starting to feel like they're messing up any sort of natural story or narrative that could evolve, by constantly f*cking with things.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 23, 2017, 08:24:30 AM
I like the idea of trying new things, but that tribal council concept was so haphazard that it felt like they could have made it up on the spot and thrown it in there. That on top of switching to three teams last week, and it does almost seem like screwing with the game for the sake of it. The winner should be the one who adapted the best to the changing circumstances, and not based on the luck of the draw as things are randomly thrown at them week after week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 23, 2017, 08:28:18 AM
And that's totally what it feels like now, so many changes being thrown around that you have to hope have that "luck of the draw".  Orphaning people on tribes via the switchup was a terrible move.  He may as well have given them all shirts with bullseyes on them, like Rudy Sarzo's shirt in the Cum on Feel the Noize video.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 23, 2017, 08:36:05 AM
I'd like to see them put this effort into changing up the challenges themselves, and putting some new ideas into that, instead of mixing and matching the same 5 elements for every challenge. Climb the thing, unlock the thing, puzzle the thing, throw the things etc.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 23, 2017, 08:54:51 AM
Undoubtedly.  THAT sucked.  Sooooo close.  What an unbelievably frantic TC.  I've never seen anything like it, but I guess I wouldn't have.  This was a first and I'm not sure I liked it.  Again, JP and company trying so hard to push the Game Changers concept, that I'm starting to feel like they're messing up any sort of natural story or narrative that could evolve, by constantly f*cking with things.

I'm not entirely convinced that Tai finding the idol was him just trying to find the idol. No one followed him around, it was right there by the tribe flag in the middle of open ground, someone would have seen him digging. I wouldn't put it past the JP and Co. to have orchestrated him finding that just to make TC more interesting given the fact it was 6 vs 5 and without that idol it would have been a 6-5 vote.

you have to hope have that "luck of the draw".  Orphaning people on tribes via the switchup was a terrible move. 

Totally. the 'luck of the draw' aspect completely sucks and its not interesting. Someone who has played a great game to that point gets totally screwed for something that's completely out of their control. At least in all other situations your actions, behavior and lack of or surplus of cunning will either get you kicked out or advance you. Allowing a random draw to determine the fate of the game is just lazy....and the only reason they do it is because of the chaos it causes but it's still lazy.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 27, 2017, 09:09:47 AM
We finally watched this yesterday.

Crap.  My wife and I both like Malcolm a lot and were rooting for him. 

I absolutely hated that TC format and I hope they never do it again.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 27, 2017, 09:12:03 AM
Yeah, I don't care for it at all.  I mean, it makes sense WHY they voted for Malcolm.  They knew they'd invalidate votes for Sierra and instead of voting Sandra out, they knew voting Malcolm out would HURT the other tribe, which is exactly what they wanted.  Either way tough, they're still keeping Sandra around to glide right to the end and win it again.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 27, 2017, 09:45:25 AM
keeping Sandra around to glide right to the end and win it again.

if this happens it will be infuriating. at this point I have no 'favorite' as Malcolm was who I was pulling for....but, I do have a couple I don't want to see win. Sandra and Tai being the main two.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 27, 2017, 10:07:52 AM
Sandra and Cirie - I'd be very irritated to see either of them win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 27, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
So I'm assuming JT thought that Culpepper and Co. would vote or were voting Sandra and that's why he told them about Ciera? I don't think he had any clue that they'd target Malcolm...although he should have at least known how big a threat Malcolm was and that he was a target.

But I'm still confused as to why they targeted Ciera and not Culpepper or a 'stronger' competitor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 27, 2017, 10:28:12 AM
Yep, I feel like that's what happened.  He thought they'd get rid of Sandra.  They flipped it and said "Let's screw them and take away an actual STRONG member of their tribe, to weaken them".

JT is likely not long for this game, unless production intervenes with ANOTHER twist.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 27, 2017, 10:35:54 AM
unless production intervenes with ANOTHER twist.

they still have a chance to make it a (2) tribe game.....so, that's probably gonna happen soon.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 29, 2017, 07:40:16 PM
This is getting extremely fucking irritating. WTF? And fuck you, Michaela. And you too Sandra. DAMMIT.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 29, 2017, 10:11:19 PM
This is getting extremely fucking irritating. WTF? And fuck you, Michaela. And you too Sandra. DAMMIT.

Yeah. Those two are annoying as hell but WTF JT? How do you buy that they're gonna vote Michaela out? He deserves to get voted out for being an idiot and not playing the idol

Perhaps the next merge can make this more interesting but at this point I'm more annoyed with this season than anything.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 30, 2017, 06:19:15 AM
Exactly.  How in God's name do you not come and play your idol and get Michaela the hell out?  Also, Debbie - STFU NOW.  I was REALLY hoping her tribe would lose so she'd go home.  I do NOT like Brad but last night, I liked Debbie even less.  You said it.  This season is annoying the hell out of me.  And Sandra coasts for another week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 30, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
Exactly.  How in God's name do you not come and play your idol and get Michaela the hell out?  Also, Debbie - STFU NOW.  I was REALLY hoping her tribe would lose so she'd go home.  I do NOT like Brad but last night, I liked Debbie even less.  You said it.  This season is annoying the hell out of me.  And Sandra coasts for another week.

Debbie was full-on psycho.
And Michaela just sitting there sipping her drink like she ain't going home. Dude should have played his idol.

From next week's preview, looks like even more random meddling and throwing everything in the mix. I think they're going a bit overboard with the game changers theme.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 03, 2017, 08:59:31 AM
Every time that Sandra's tribe goes to tribal and they don't vote her out, a kitten dies somewhere.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 03, 2017, 09:01:40 AM
I mean they may as well all just pick her up and carry her on their shoulders right through to the final TC, because that's where this is going.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 03, 2017, 09:09:22 AM
Hopefully things will change quickly when they switch teams again.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 05, 2017, 07:06:06 PM
Fuck.  Yes.

Great episode!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 06, 2017, 06:42:56 AM
Another epic Tribal Council.  That was all over the place!  The ONLY thing that makes any sense to explain how this played out is that Ozzy orchestrated this whole thing ahead of time, end everyone but Sandra and Varner were in on it.  It is the ONLY explanation for why Tai, as paranoid as he is, didn't use an immunity idol.

Great twist on Exile "Island".  I would've been happy to see someone else who wasn't so much of a nutcase get to enjoy it though.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 06, 2017, 11:39:19 AM
Sounds like I missed a good episode. Im on a fishing trip with limited wifi and access to TV.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 06, 2017, 11:41:43 AM
Bummerz
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 06, 2017, 11:19:55 PM
I'm shocked that Tai didn't play his idol, as paranoid and jumpy as he is. Crazy tribal council.

Double dipping on the idol clue was kind of BS. Debbie being handed all of those advantages at Exile was also a bit BS. As if you wouldn't choose the extra vote.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 07, 2017, 06:15:26 AM
When she first read it, I thought she said extra BOAT.  I was like WTF kind of advantage is that?

The more I think about it, Ozzy and Tai's seemingly "meh" reaction to all the TC goings-on feels more and more like they staged it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 07, 2017, 06:30:39 AM
Ozzy was probably confident enough in his alliance, or at least calm enough not to show that he was rattled by it. He's always been a chill dude.
Tai on the other hand, I have my suspicions.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 09, 2017, 09:04:56 PM

The more I think about it, Ozzy and Tai's seemingly "meh" reaction to all the TC goings-on feels more and more like they staged it.

Finally got to watch. Yeah. It seem d possible that was staged. But whatever, Sandra is gone!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 10, 2017, 06:18:45 AM
All that matters, really.

Randy Bailey from Survivor Gabon took the liberty of re-editing the Debbie/Cochran scene down to 45 seconds.  :lol

https://twitter.com/RandyBailey1720/status/850134217497477120
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2017, 06:57:57 PM
HO

LEE



SHIT
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 12, 2017, 07:54:28 PM
Oh my god. I seriously can't believe what I just saw. Damn.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2017, 09:23:50 PM
Wow. What can you say about that? Speechless.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 13, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
only other time that I can remember them not specifically going in and casting votes was when they all agreed to oust Brandon Hantz AT the end of the immunity challenge.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2017, 10:14:44 AM
Man, that was some unbelievably riveting television.  What Varner did was just AWFUL.  I felt so bad for Zeke.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 13, 2017, 10:16:42 AM
Oddly enough, during the dual episode at Thanksgiving last year, I couldn't stand Zeke, for the way he and Brett were bullying David about his anxiety.  Two people who should KNOW better than to bully people for things they can't help.  It left me not liking Zeke going into this season, but he seems better now.  Last night certainly helped.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 13, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
I'm left curious as to if had Varner not said what he said....was there going to be an Ozzy blindside?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 13, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
I'm also curious why, when Varner said Ozzy and Zeke were in a secret alliance, throwing everyone under the bus, neither of them spoke up to say he was full of shit.  Unless they did and it was edited out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 13, 2017, 10:37:54 AM
I'm also curious why, when Varner said Ozzy and Zeke were in a secret alliance, throwing everyone under the bus, neither of them spoke up to say he was full of shit.  Unless they did and it was edited out.

Yeah. There have been several instances like that in tribal this year. No reactions at all when reactions are warranted and expected.

The conspiracy theorist in me can't shake the feeling the whole 'outing' wasn't planned either. With 'metamorphosis' being the word of the day.....seems a bit to coincidental to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 13, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
About the only thing we saw Ozzy say was that Jeff should be ashamed.  I wonder if they're purposely editing him as quiet to maintain his laid-back persona.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 13, 2017, 11:11:19 AM
Some good media pieces on last night's debacle.

https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2017/04/survivor-zeke-smith-must-reads/
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 13, 2017, 11:26:25 AM
Jebus, that was the most awkward tribal ever. What a downright shitty thing to do just for the sake of lasting a bit longer in a game. It shocks me that he could have possibly considered that an advantageous move on any level. How did he expect people would react to that? Did he think they'd vote out Zeke for that? Just WOW. I figured something was going down when tribal started so early in the episode, but that's the last thing I expected.
Still, I didn't like the skipping of the voting. That felt off to me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
I read today that the actual tribal council that night lasted around two hours.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 13, 2017, 12:57:01 PM
Damn.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 13, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Daaaaaaaamn, no wonder they gave it so much time in the episode. That must have been a nightmare to edit down to only 15 minutes.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 20, 2017, 06:50:23 AM
Good God, these people are astoundingly stupid.   Food.  You need it.  So what do you do?  You get rid of the person who is most adept at making sure you HAVE some.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.  I couldn't stand Debbie last time, can't stand her now.

Also, Ponderosas are back, now that we have a jury!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 20, 2017, 07:01:17 AM
Good God, these people are astoundingly stupid.   Food.  You need it.  So what do you do?  You get rid of the person who is most adept at making sure you HAVE some.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.  I couldn't stand Debbie last time, can't stand her now.

Also, Ponderosas are back, now that we have a jury!

The only reason I'm watching at this point is due to me having $40 invested in our office pool. I have Debbie and Culpepper left....if either can make top three I'll at least get my money back. This season has been beyond frustrating to watch for me.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 20, 2017, 07:03:51 AM
Indeed.  Frustrating as hell.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 20, 2017, 07:46:41 AM
Also, you gotta love Cirie's approach with Michaela, which was basically "You're a bitch and you're really not very good at hiding it.  Stop being a bitch."
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 20, 2017, 11:51:33 AM
I couldn't stand Debbie last time, can't stand her now.

Yeah. I hate her even more now.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 26, 2017, 07:12:26 PM
YES, YES, YES. Fuck you! So satisfying.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 27, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
Fairly uneventful episode overall except DEBBIE IS GONE FUCK YEAH :victorydance:
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2017, 06:56:50 AM
Last chance for me in the office pool is Culpepper. Otherwise, Debbie had to go. What a nut job.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 27, 2017, 07:00:33 AM
And Michaela needs to GTFO also.  She was so pissy from being benched that she didn't notice the

SECRET ADVANTAGE

right under her feet.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 27, 2017, 07:04:56 AM
She was salty af.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 27, 2017, 07:14:20 AM
Yeah, you can't fucking act like that.  I do not know how her shitty attitude has not gotten her voted off yet.  I gues because everyone knows nobody would award her the win at the end.  I'd want her gone, just to be rid of the attitude.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2017, 07:33:29 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 04, 2017, 07:14:25 AM
No frills, no surprises.  I honestly don't really have much to say about this episode.  Although the exchange between Hali and Debbie at the end was great:

Hali:  Game changers
Debbie:  Idiots

:rollin
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2017, 07:29:38 AM
No frills, no surprises.  I honestly don't really have much to say about this episode.  Although the exchange between Hali and Debbie at the end was great:

Hali:  Game changers
Debbie:  Idiots

:rollin

Yep, that sums it up. Relatively a ho hum episode.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2017, 06:55:56 AM
I've felt the same about these past two episodes. But get ready for the obligatory manufactured drama of the family visit next week!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 05, 2017, 07:15:41 AM
Yeah, that always irritates me.  It's definitely an emotional moment, but as we've discussed, it just feels manipulative or something.  I'm not a fan of bringing families out to see each other for THAT short a period of time.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2017, 07:20:49 AM
It's manipulative, and they know it, and that's why they do it every season. It's a guaranteed cheap way to wrangle drama out of an episode. I've never liked the family visit episode. It's scummy and contrived.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 05, 2017, 07:23:06 AM
Yep.  it feels cruel.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2017, 07:27:30 AM
You can almost see Probst licking his lips when this shit goes down too, thinly veiled as surprise like he didn't know what would happen after 30 seasons of the same thing. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 05, 2017, 07:54:01 AM
Yeah, that always irritates me.  It's definitely an emotional moment, but as we've discussed, it just feels manipulative or something.  I'm not a fan of bringing families out to see each other for THAT short a period of time.

Yeah...you have to assume the lack of sleep and nutrition affects their minds and emotions. There's just no way you can be that distraught after what...28-29 days?

My wife always makes fun of them and tells me that she's sorry...that she loves me and all but she'd never get that emotional after such a short break  :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 05, 2017, 07:56:53 AM
I think that after nearly a month in those sorts of conditions, seeing any of my family members would reduce me to a useless sobbing wreck.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2017, 07:57:53 AM
Yeah, that always irritates me.  It's definitely an emotional moment, but as we've discussed, it just feels manipulative or something.  I'm not a fan of bringing families out to see each other for THAT short a period of time.

Yeah...you have to assume the lack of sleep and nutrition affects their minds and emotions. There's just no way you can be that distraught after what...28-29 days?

My wife always makes fun of them and tells me that she's sorry...that she loves me and all but she'd never get that emotional after such a short break  :lol

It's hard for me to imagine what it's like to not only be apart from close loved ones for a month, but also the malnutrition, shitty living conditions, and perhaps most of all, only interacting with people in a game situation where you can't trust a word they say and have to carefully consider everything you say and do in return. It's probably somewhat like coming out of prison. Seeing someone you really trust and love after all of that, and then having them leave so quickly, is probably pretty shitty.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
This season infuriates me. One dumb move after another. Sierra had a zero chance of convincing a jury to give her a million bucks. Andrea just adds to the resume by still being there.

And Sierra gifting that advantage to Sarah shows how dumb a player she is. Sarah has voted 'against' her and her alliance the whole season yet she gives her the advantage and not Brad who has been with her since day 1? Makes zero sense. But it fits this season being that it was a retarded move.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2017, 12:02:47 AM
I'm glad Sierra went. I've never liked her.

When they put them in groups of three for the reward challenge, I was like "oh good, they're not going to do the manipulative bullshit with making the winner choose two people who else gets to spend time with their family".
But then Probst was like lol nope, we're still going to do the same manipulative bullshit and make you choose two people who get to spend time with their family.

I skipped all of the cliche family stuff, so I managed to watch this episode in under 20 minutes. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 11, 2017, 06:15:47 AM
Brad's team won that reward challenge handily, with next to zero effort, it seemed.  Same manipulative Probst crap.  Bums me out.

And yeah, you're almost like "Sierra who?"  NOBODY would've given her the win for getting lucky enough to not do anything to piss anybody off and by chance getting to the end.  BUT LET'S GET HER OUT!!!  Dumb.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 17, 2017, 11:17:42 PM
Perfect night of vote outs if you ask me.

There had to be some serious editing going on in the last day and tribal council.....otherwise, Tai not playing one of his idols there was idiotic. Too much confusion going on for any of them to feel safe and when he didn't play his idol I thought for sure he was done.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2017, 06:12:28 AM
OMG, we were screaming at the TV "YOU IDIOT!"  Shocked that Tai did not go home.  But yeah, happy to finally see Michaela's smug, self-important bullshit get voted out.  And Andrea was also a smart move.  I nearly shit when Cirie said she was taking Sarah's vote, with the advantage Sarah gave her.  Then I nearly DOUBLE shit when Probst was like "Nope, Cirie, not yours, you lose."  She was totally going to vote Sarah out, I don't care what she says.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 18, 2017, 09:10:46 AM
I nearly shit when Cirie said she was taking Sarah's vote, with the advantage Sarah gave her.  Then I nearly DOUBLE shit when Probst was like "Nope, Cirie, not yours, you lose."

Yeah, that was one of the best moments of the season. :lol
I'm again shocked Tai didn't use his idol, but we don't know everything people said to each other around camp and whispered during tribal. Still, he has two of the things, so why the hell not?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
I'm having a tough time with this.  People genuinely seem to believe that Cirie was gonna use Sarah's vote to oust Tai, but I don't know if I buy it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 18, 2017, 09:29:22 AM
Well she did explain that the reason she told Tai about the advantage was because after the advantage was used, the person you stole the vote from still had an opportunity to use an idol to save themselves, now having a clue you were probably voting them out.
But after that clusterfuck of a tribal, who knows.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2017, 09:41:42 AM
Right, if she took Tai's vote, then he'd figure she was voting him out and play the idol, but I'm almost surprised they wouldn't have WANTED to do that, in order to flush out a potential idol.  Only they don't know he has two.  :lol  It's still all kinda confusing.

And does it feel like they've rushed through this season?  Next week is the finale.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 18, 2017, 09:45:31 AM
It always feels rushed at the very end, so I think that's normal length. :lol I never like having multiple tribals in one episode, because it always feels rushed and less eventful.

How can they flush out an idol? If it's a draw this season, thy don't do the usual re-vote first. Or am I confusing myself here?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2017, 09:57:16 AM
No, I meant, if they made Tai think he was going out, he plays his idol and the next most votes goes home.  Then they know his idol is out of contention and they go for him next go around.  Only they don't know he has another.

Maybe I'm confused.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 18, 2017, 10:00:15 AM
But the next most votes would probably be one of their own group, leaving them with weaker numbers at a crucial time of the game, and they don't have enough to split.

Maybe we're both confused. Let's not play Survivor.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2017, 10:05:08 AM
There's not a prayer in hell I'd last a week playing Survivor.  First off, my shit swimming skills would kill me before malnutrition would.  Secondly, there's no way I could bear the possibility of being away from my wife for that long and having to live under the crushing levels of anxiety and paranoia that one must deal with.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 18, 2017, 10:31:20 AM
I'd drown on day one when they have to jump ship, because I can't swim in any capacity, or even hold my breath underwater. :lol
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 24, 2017, 06:31:45 AM
3 (2+1) hour finale tonight!
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 24, 2017, 07:22:54 AM
3 (2+1) hour finale tonight!

I need Culpepper to finish in final three in order to get a payday in the office pool.

And I'm glad this season is ending. Haven't been impressed at all, more annoyed than anything.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 24, 2017, 07:24:19 AM
Yeah, I'm not usually this annoyed with Survivor, but I guess when you have an All-Stars season, it becomes more likely than not that you'll end up annoyed somehow.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 24, 2017, 07:51:32 AM
Yeah, I'm not usually this annoyed with Survivor, but I guess when you have an All-Stars season, it becomes more likely than not that you'll end up annoyed somehow.

I was more annoyed with how 'orchestrated' it felt/feels. Probst and the producers went above and beyond to suck all the spontaneity out of the show with the non stop 'game changing' twists.

That couples with a few 'less than reality' moments in the show that felt very scripted...it really put me off this season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 24, 2017, 07:58:31 AM
Yeah, I'm not usually this annoyed with Survivor, but I guess when you have an All-Stars season, it becomes more likely than not that you'll end up annoyed somehow.

I was more annoyed with how 'orchestrated' it felt/feels. Probst and the producers went above and beyond to suck all the spontaneity out of the show with the non stop 'game changing' twists.

That couples with a few 'less than reality' moments in the show that felt very scripted...it really put me off this season.

I'm with you. Too many forced and contrived moments this season. I like it when they mix things up for a season, but not when it's seemingly random from week to week for the sake of it. And having returning players has added little.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 24, 2017, 08:00:43 AM
The complete randomness, under the guise of "ZOMGGAMECHANGER" it what has really screwed it up this season.

In other news, despite having a separate and unused thread for it, I've really enjoyed this current season of Amazing Race.  Complete strangers picking each other for teams.  It's been interesting to see the dynamic between people who have to learn how to work with someone they've never even met.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 24, 2017, 08:04:07 AM
Used to watch that show all the time. Somewhere along the line i stopped, don't remember why....just did.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 24, 2017, 08:06:48 AM
I was bummed that it was NOT in the fall lineup and very happy to see that it returned for the spring.  It's on Friday nights, but we DVR it and watch it on Sunday night after dinner.  I only started watching it probably half way through the history of the series (same with Survivor), so I missed a lot of the early seasons, when they were still figuring out how to conduct the show and what worked and didn't.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 24, 2017, 08:24:20 AM
I started to lose interest in the Amazing Race, then they had a season of nothing but generic couples, and then I was out for good. Haven't bothered since.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 24, 2017, 06:39:30 PM
HOLY CRAP AT THAT FIRST TRIBAL
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 24, 2017, 07:36:45 PM
Un-fucking-believable first TC.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 24, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
That's a horseshit win. Fn Sarah? Reallly? Joke of a season ends in a joke of a win.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2017, 04:08:18 AM
I disagree, she played her ass off. I would have been OK with her or Culpeper, but he definitely screwed himself by getting Tai voted out.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 25, 2017, 07:23:20 AM
I disagree, she played her ass off. I would have been OK with her or Culpeper, but he definitely screwed himself by getting Tai voted out.

Totally get that....especially the part where Brad was an idiot for taking Sarah in the first place....literally the only person left that could beat him.

I may have been a tad emotional in my post because I missed a chance to win some $$ in the office pool....got my money back but could have had another $160 on top of it.

But, I don't think she 'played her ass off'. I don't consider Sarah's game a 'playing your ass off' type of game. The lying and double crossing, backstabbing flip flop game that she and countless other players have played does not impress me AT ALL. I've never liked that 'style' of play....if it is even a style.

Her in particular spent 3/4 of the game on the bottom of whichever alliance she thought she was in....she was repeatedly surprised and dumbfounded at who was getting voted off because she was never clued in....all in all....she got as lucky as the Nashville Predators the entire game to end up in the third position.

I personally consider the way Culpepper, Ozzy, Fighter pilot Terry, Malcolm...etc....play a more 'honorable' way to play. Dominate challenges, work with an alliance...sure there will be some level of lying and deceit but it's not on the level of desperation like Sarah, Tai and others play it. For Culpepper to rip off FIVE immunity challenges basically in a row because he knew if he didn't win he was going home was WAY more impressive to me than Sarah being lucky about getting some legacy advantage and accidentally finding herself still there in the final days.

But whatever....like I said....this season basically was a season of disappointment and annoyance anyway so why not top it off with someone who shouldn't even have made it that far winning it all.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 25, 2017, 11:39:21 AM
Yeah, that whole TC with Cirie going out was unreal.  And, I think, it's only going to make things worse as far as Immunity Idols go.  Andy at Reality Blurred speculates that this is what's going to happen with immunity idol distribution on the upcoming season, after having seen the drama that a 5-idol TC created:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/108KUzjTMEp2gw/giphy.gif)

I can't say I disagree.  Probst is going to run with this.  As someone ends up on the shit list, there's literally going to be a big neon sign put up, in big bold colors that says "THERE IS AN IMMUNITY IDOL RIGHT HERE BEHIND THIS TREE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS KICK A ROCK OUT OF THE WAY AND IT IS YOURS, NOW FOLLOW THE TRAIL OF POPCORN TO THE NEXT NEON SIGN FOR ANOTHER IDOL".

I'm bummed that you missed out on the pool money, but I was perfectly happy to see Sarah win.  I was okay with Brad up until he starting pushing Tai around and coming off like an asshole.  Good on him for making that right at the finale last night.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 25, 2017, 01:47:11 PM
I'm bummed that you missed out on the pool money, but I was perfectly happy to see Sarah win.  I was okay with Brad up until he starting pushing Tai around and coming off like an asshole.  Good on him for making that right at the finale last night.
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Yeah...Sarah wasn't the worst example of someone who shouldn't have won. My initial post after it all last night was a bit harsh. She's a cop...so I'm glad she got some $$ being that they don't typically make a ton of dough. Brad didn't need or want the money....he just wanted to win. I don't know if you've noticed or not but I tend to get a tad emotional about things  :(  so I was all fired up and on 'team Culpepper' to win it all....

I agree that his attitude towards the end started to get annoying. His competitive nature coupled with no sleep and no food probably contributed to it....but if I had to speculate I'd guess he's probably a 'rough' personality in real life already.

I still ended up 'winning' $10 after getting paid out today...so it wasn't all that bad. Typically we have enough for (2) separate pools....$10 a player and I usually buy (2) players for each pool. So I was 'all in' for $40.... "won" $50...so, I got my money back plus a bit extra.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 26, 2017, 12:18:40 AM
I disagree, she played her ass off. I would have been OK with her or Culpeper, but he definitely screwed himself by getting Tai voted out.

I agree. Culpepper played a great game, especially towards the end when he won those immunity challenges, but Tai was the safe option to beat. And his social game towards the end was kind of sucky, and I didn't want him to win with how badly he was treating Tai (even though I disliked Tai too). But huge credit to him for winning so many challenges, and I recall at least 3 of them he dominated at the puzzle section, not just physical strength as you'd expect. He definitely would have been a worthy winner. The only one who didn't really deserve it was Troyzan, and I think he kind of knew it. Every final 3 has that one person who never had a chance, and he was it.
Also, this is the first time in a while where the winner didn't feel clear cut. Usually it's plainly obvious who was going to win in a landslide. This time, I genuinely didn't know whether they'd go with Culpepper or Sarah, because both had their strengths.

That first tribal where Cirie got voted out was crazy. 5 people safe, and someone voted out by default? Damn. Although it kind of makes me sus about all of those times when Tai should have played one of his idols and he didn't. The perfect storm just kind of felt a bit too perfect, with all of these things that had to be played by that point.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 26, 2017, 06:28:22 AM
Hence the "Trouble with Tribbles" gif, referencing how many immunity idols will show up next season.  :lol

Yeah, I think by the end of final TC, Troyzan was like "Look, I know you guys aren't gonna vote for me, it's cool, I'm just glad to be here".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 20, 2017, 08:51:28 PM
The level at which the producers are influencing the winners of the past few seasons with ‘fortunate’ twists and idols and advantages in the game is getting real annoying.

Ben played a good game but the last two idols and especially the last ‘advantage’ were specifically implemented to make sure he didn’t get voted out or go home.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 15, 2019, 09:18:38 PM
Worst.

Mother.

Fucking.

Twist.

And.

Season.

Ever.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 15, 2019, 10:35:14 PM
Worst.

Mother.

Fucking.

Twist.

And.

Season.

Ever.

Coz out of nowhere! Nice  :metal

We are a couple episodes behind.....now this comment makes me want to get caught up quick just to see what you’re talking about.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 16, 2019, 09:03:42 AM
Absolutely ridiculous clusterfuck. I hope to God they never attempt this EoE "twist" ever again. Fucking awful. I wanted to throw shit at my TV like a shoe or a dump truck.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Grizz on May 18, 2019, 12:00:37 PM
Worst.

Mother.

Fucking.

Twist.

And.

Season.

Ever.
I have no idea what you're talking about (I've watched three seasons of survivor and two of them were during GWB's first term) but is it worse than the "twist" at the F4 of HvHvH?
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 18, 2019, 12:05:24 PM
You mean the "how can we get veteran Ben to the end" challenge? Yes that was a horribly conceived twist also. I saw a fantastic analysis of all of this from BB's Evel Dick:

Survivor was like starting a marathon at the gun. Chris makes a left off the course at the 3 mile mark, takes a cab to a bar 100 yards from the finish. Buys everyone drinks for hours. Jumps into the race before the pack & wins. The bar ppl are judges & say it's cool, he won.

And I've missed maybe 4-5 seasons of Survivor total. This was just bad.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Grizz on May 19, 2019, 10:11:18 AM
Ah so it's like if Lil won Pearl Islands but instead of the outcast tribe having Survivor-esque living conditions she went to Ponderosa?

And yeah that was the HHH twist I was referring to. Left a piss-poor aftertaste to what, as far as I can tell, is otherwise considered a pretty decent season.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 20, 2019, 06:22:39 AM
Yeah, the fire-making twist, while it showcases one of the fundamental things you must know how to do in Survivor, is left a little too much to chance.  WAY too many variables that can affect fire making and I do not think it is a fair way of deciding who the 3rd finalist is.  Even though this time around, they put them in the voting booth area, where there would be less wind, it still just feels all wrong.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Grizz on May 23, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
They also kept forking over those damn idols to Ben and it was clear that they just wanted to circlejerk about veterans for ratings imo
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 23, 2019, 09:22:28 PM
OK..got caught up and finally finished the season. The fact that Devens didn’t win this season is a travesty.....and that Chris did makes it even worse. I’m pretty sure if given the chance we’d all only eat 300 calories a day for 35 days to win a million bucks. That’s ALL he did. Choosing to take on Devens in the fire making challenge wasn’t brave at all. Brave would have been saving him and taking him on in the jury.

These past few seasons have been pretty contrived....more so than they had been. It’s getting pretty unwatchable now. Honestly, if my 9 year old didn’t like it so much not sure I’d continue watching.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 05, 2020, 11:46:54 AM
Who's watching the new Winners at War season?  Thoughts?

I'm not a fan of the Edge of Extinction twist.  It's an awful idea and it was incredibly poorly executed in S38.  All of the people I'd have wanted to see win, were voted to EoE already.  Tyson, Ethan, and Yul, though there's a good chance one of them will make it back at the upcoming challenge.  Two hours tomorrow night, then the three hour finale next week.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 06, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
Who's watching the new Winners at War season?  Thoughts?

I'm not a fan of the Edge of Extinction twist.  It's an awful idea and it was incredibly poorly executed in S38.  All of the people I'd have wanted to see win, were voted to EoE already.  Tyson, Ethan, and Yul, though there's a good chance one of them will make it back at the upcoming challenge.  Two hours tomorrow night, then the three hour finale next week.

I'm watching with my wife.  My wife has seen every season (and has re-watched several seasons multiple times).  She's a huge fan.  I don't think I have ever watched an entire season.  I usually watch the first couple episodes of a season and lose interest and then pick it up toward the end of the season.  I enjoy the challenges but don't like all of the blather (i.e., the social aspect of it).  I also think Rob Marinara (or whatever his last name is) is a complete tool.

Although I have watched every episode of this season, I find that it's fairly unenjoyable -- especially recent episodes.  My wife agrees.  The "edge of extinction" seems particularly stupid.  It's a rather transparent attempt to keep the most popular contestants on the show (sort of) so that their fans don't tune out.  I haven't counted, but it now seems like there are more people on "the edge" than there are people still "in the game."  If I recall correctly, only one person has actually been eliminated to this point (and that's only because she quit rather than go to "the edge").  They brought one guy back from "the edge," but he was promptly sent right back.  The "challenges" that they do on "the edge" are completely boring.  Hey, let's spend 10 minutes watching a dozen people run around and move coconuts from one side of the island to the other!  I can't help but think that Michael Jackson's father would really enjoy this, but it's otherwise a complete waste of air time.

And, as my wife noted, they used to do two challenges per episode (reward and immunity), but they've only done one on most episodes this season.  And don't even get me started on the last few tribal councils.  These people get hours to sit around on the beach and figure out how they're going to vote, but they have to have this last minute, junior high school whisper fest?  Even my wife just fast-forwards through it to get to the vote.

I will, however, say that watching that one guy try to extract the fleur-de-lis from the host's podium was quite amusing.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
Although I'm getting tired of the whispering at tribal council, I am enjoying this season.

I really hope someone from Extinction gets back into the game and wins it.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 06, 2020, 01:07:33 PM
I'm watching with my wife.  My wife has seen every season (and has re-watched several seasons multiple times).  She's a huge fan.  I don't think I have ever watched an entire season.  I usually watch the first couple episodes of a season and lose interest and then pick it up toward the end of the season.  I enjoy the challenges but don't like all of the blather (i.e., the social aspect of it).  I also think Rob Marinara (or whatever his last name is) is a complete tool.

Although I have watched every episode of this season, I find that it's fairly unenjoyable -- especially recent episodes.  My wife agrees.  The "edge of extinction" seems particularly stupid.  It's a rather transparent attempt to keep the most popular contestants on the show (sort of) so that their fans don't tune out.  I haven't counted, but it now seems like there are more people on "the edge" than there are people still "in the game."  If I recall correctly, only one person has actually been eliminated to this point (and that's only because she quit rather than go to "the edge").  They brought one guy back from "the edge," but he was promptly sent right back.  The "challenges" that they do on "the edge" are completely boring.  Hey, let's spend 10 minutes watching a dozen people run around and move coconuts from one side of the island to the other!  I can't help but think that Michael Jackson's father would really enjoy this, but it's otherwise a complete waste of air time.

And, as my wife noted, they used to do two challenges per episode (reward and immunity), but they've only done one on most episodes this season.  And don't even get me started on the last few tribal councils.  These people get hours to sit around on the beach and figure out how they're going to vote, but they have to have this last minute, junior high school whisper fest?  Even my wife just fast-forwards through it to get to the vote.

I will, however, say that watching that one guy try to extract the fleur-de-lis from the host's podium was quite amusing.

My wife and I started watching on Season 13.  I've recently gone back to watch all the old ones I never saw before that and am up to Season 8, the first All-Stars season.  I celebrate Survivor.  The first Episode of Season 40 was like Christmas morning here.

As far as Rob goes, I will say that I was cheering for him to win Redemption Island.  Since then, I've seen Survivor Africa and become a big fan of Lex.  Last Season, Rob made mention of what he did to Lex in All Stars and I JUST saw that episode yesterday, while on the treadmill.  I don't think I've ever been angrier at a TV show after how Rob fucked Lex in that episode and I hope to God after this season is over, I never see Rob on my TV again.

I hate the EoE "twist", as noted.  When EoE showed up in Season 38, I hated it.  The winner, Chris, played 13 of 39 days in-game.  Yes, he was on EoE, so not technically out of the game, but he didn't have to strategize, he didn't have to belabor who to vote out, he didn't have to suffer the consequences of who he helped vote out, etc.  And, with the added twist of the remaining EoE members becoming the jury, they ALL got to bond with one another, so OF COURSE the jury, who consists of almost ALL people who've spent weeks on EoE, are going to vote for the person who was out there with them.  I was irritated as hell that Gavin didn't win.  Enough people have bitched about it that in an interview with Rob (Cesternino) Has a Podcast, Probst said "I'VE HEARD YOU, IT'S NOT COMING BACK ANYTIME SOON".

Good.

The three people I would most like to see win are Tyson, Yul, and/or Ethan, probably in that order.  First season I saw Tyson, I thought he was a dick, but in subsequent seasons, I realized I was wrong.  And listening to him on RHAP's News AF podcast each week, I realize that he's sarcastic and hilarious.  And Yul was the winner of the first season I watched.  Ethan, he's just a great guy.

And yeah, I was REALLY hoping that Adam was right and that the fleur-de-lis WAS an idol.  That would've been EPIC.

Although I'm getting tired of the whispering at tribal council, I am enjoying this season.

I really hope someone from Extinction gets back into the game and wins it.

The getting up and running around and whispering is starting to get old.  "Live" Tribal Councils like this were exciting and fresh when JT started doing it, but now it's all over the place and it's getting out of hand.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 06, 2020, 02:16:10 PM
Could you imagine if Natalie made it back from "the edge"and ended up winning?!

By the way, I only really know Natalie from when she and her "twinnie!" were on The Amazing Race.  They were one of the most obnoxious teams in the history of that show.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 06, 2020, 02:48:10 PM
Good God, were they ever. Then when they came to Survivor for Blood v Water, fortunately Nadiya went out soon. Natalie is a fucking beast. Destroying it out there and I wouldn't be surprised to see her come back into the game.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Zoom E on May 09, 2020, 08:44:10 PM
I'm hoping whoever comes back from Extinction wins the whole thing, just because there is nobody left on the island who I’m rooting for. I definitely don't want Ben or Tony to win.

The one thing I do like about this season is the fire tokens, and how that adds a new dynamic to the game. I hope they continue with this in future seasons.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 13, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
The fire tokens are a cool twist that isn't terrible.  The "I can charge however much I want to extort you" part of it kinda sucks, but Tony managed to pull it off.

3 hours tonight.  I can't say this has gone any way that I'd have hoped it would and now with the remote reunion, it's gonna be weird.  Again, I hate EoE so much and I hope it NEVER returns.  As much as the people I'd like to see win are over there, I don't like seeing an EoE winner.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: pg1067 on May 13, 2020, 12:51:17 PM
Here's the problem.

You have 19 of the 20 contestants still in contention to win.  Nearly half of those contestants have spent more than half of their time not playing the game (or, if you prefer, playing a very different game).  One theory is that whoever comes back from "the Edge" will get most or all of the votes from the other persons who were on "the Edge."  On the other hand, let's say Natalie or Amber comes back.  What has she done to deserve a win?  Well...I got voted out REALLY early, I won a single challenge to get back into the game and survived a couple votes (all the while having umpteen advantages that I bought with all of my fire tokens), and here I am.  That person won't have made any enemies but also won't have made any "big moves."  It's really quite absurd, and I'm also envisioning some sort of technical glitch with live reunion show.

One thing I just read is that, in September 2018 (less than a year before this season was recorded), Probst poo-pooed the idea of an all-winners season, saying, "We have 10 great winners that you’d want to see play again.  We don’t have 20.  We don’t have 18."  Interesting that he changed his mind so quickly.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 13, 2020, 12:58:44 PM
That was why it was SO dissatisfying to so many when Chris one the original EoE season.  He didn't have to suffer blindsiding people, and agonizing over who to vote out, or the repercussions of voting someone out or ANY of those elements.  He comes back in at the end and makes fire and wins.  It's like competing in a marathon and after the first mile, someone drives you to a bar near the finish line.  You go in and buy everybody three rounds of drinks, then leave, and cross the finish line to win.  Everyone in the bar says "Yep, good enough for us".
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: T-ski on May 14, 2020, 07:40:03 AM
Tony absolutely deserved to win, he totally outplayed everyone.
Title: Re: The Survivor Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 14, 2020, 11:27:26 AM
Hell yes.  Sure, Natalie DID have a ton of influence on the game from EoE, but the first person voted out should never ever win.  Tony fucking deserved the hell out of that win!