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Title: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 04, 2010, 07:44:37 PM
Appreciate
Discuss.
 :corn
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 04, 2010, 07:45:54 PM
4:13-11:30 = win
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Seventh Son on November 04, 2010, 07:46:58 PM
Middle instrumental jam.
F#
DAT SOLO
Kevin's keyboard solo
Myung's bass solo
LaBrie's final vocal moment
Epic fade-out

*Appreciates all of these*
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: glaurung on November 04, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
It's a pretty cool song.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: The Letter M on November 04, 2010, 07:48:52 PM
0:00-11:30 = win

FTFY :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Jarlaxle on November 04, 2010, 07:50:04 PM
0:00-11:30 = win

FTFY :tup

-Marc.

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Algo Fonix on November 04, 2010, 07:51:07 PM
It's one of my favorite DT songs.  Myung tears it the fuck up.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: zxlkho on November 04, 2010, 07:52:59 PM
Thank you for making this thread. My favorite song of all time, and that probably won't ever change. DAT F# AND DAT SOLO :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: emindead on November 04, 2010, 07:57:08 PM
Perfect song.

0:00-11:30 = win

FTFY :tup
-Emindead.

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Seventh Son on November 04, 2010, 07:57:38 PM
Thank you for making this thread. My favorite song of all time, and that probably won't ever change. DAT F# AND DAT SOLO :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Perfect song.
These so much.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: wolfking on November 04, 2010, 08:02:27 PM
Learning to Live = MUSIC WIN!
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 04, 2010, 09:23:58 PM

There was no time for pain
No energy for ange
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Ħ on November 04, 2010, 09:48:27 PM
r

Sightlessness of hatred slips away
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: kartmaze2 on November 04, 2010, 10:05:26 PM
This has been some of DT's songs that has grown slowest on me.
But now, after a loooooot of listens over the years, I'm really starting to like it!  :biggrin:
Would've been cool if DT could make something new in that same style in the future, but they seem to be in a completely different musical state at the moment.

*Appreciates*
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: pianoman on November 04, 2010, 10:18:05 PM
I know most people go straight to the F# part, and so am I. This is one of the most mind-blowing epic things I've ever heard. Ever seen Tenacious D, when he blows that guy's mind? Thats what happens every time I hear it. I usually listen to that part 3 or 4 times before I move on with the rest of the song. Musically, it's my favorite part ever.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 04, 2010, 11:02:59 PM
I think the F# part is overrated and a little naff to be honest.  The F# in the live versions of Metropolis (Marquee) and LtL (OIALT) are superior.  Short and sweet.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Ħ on November 04, 2010, 11:12:09 PM
sir, gtfo
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 04, 2010, 11:14:02 PM
Haha, I don't see what's so great about it eh.  Its just ascending whoa's.  The other ones I mentioned are integrated into the main melody, which I think makes them a lot more effective.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Jarlaxle on November 04, 2010, 11:15:56 PM
As good as it is, it is kind of pointless to the song. If he hit an F# while singing the chorus, it would be completely different.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 04, 2010, 11:16:37 PM
As good as it is, it is kind of pointless to the song. If he hit an F# while singing the chorus, it would be completely different.

Pretty much what I said.  I agree.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Jarlaxle on November 04, 2010, 11:19:06 PM
Still impressive though, but not the highlight of this gem of a song.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: juice on November 05, 2010, 12:25:12 AM
The F# and the Wait for Sleep reprise make this song awesome.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: kartmaze2 on November 05, 2010, 12:27:26 AM
I think the unison is quite awesome as well.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: tri.ad on November 05, 2010, 12:52:04 AM
My favourite DT song. It's sheer perfection from start to finish. And the ending is so great, though (or even because) it doesn't try too hard to be epic.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 05, 2010, 12:53:43 AM

There was no time for pain
No energy for ange

:lol  Ange hates it when I have no energy for her.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: ? on November 05, 2010, 01:03:11 AM
LTL is a top 3 DT song for me! Everything about it is great! It features some of the best performances by each member.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Zydar on November 05, 2010, 01:33:59 AM
Top 3 DT song for me. On a good day it's #1.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: RuRoRul on November 05, 2010, 02:14:06 AM
What an uncontroversial thread  :lol

It's a good song, originally I didn't think it was one of the greats of Images and Words but now I definitely do. Still only 3rd best from the album for me though. But a top 20 song.

I really like the ending of it for some reason.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: RoeDent on November 05, 2010, 02:45:20 AM
It took a while for this to grow on me, but now I consider it one of their best songs. Definitely John Myung's greatest lyrical contribution to DT. And an appropriate album closer too, despite the fade-out.

All together now:

Whaa-HAAA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: atmyne on November 05, 2010, 03:23:14 AM
the best DT song... period. any other opinion is objectively incorrect. For me though, I'd say Octavarium (song) would probably come second.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Zydar on November 05, 2010, 03:41:59 AM
I would love to have professional video footage of the KM-era DT doing this song. I was disappoint when they said on the Tokyo DVD commentaries that the encore from that show was LtL but it didn't get included. But the LSFNY version is great too.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Mechanix1911 on November 05, 2010, 03:48:11 AM
Appreciates.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Mladen on November 05, 2010, 03:50:33 AM
F#
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2010, 04:55:02 AM
This song is among the most universally loved in the DT catalogue (with good reason), so I'm not really sure why it needed an appreciation thread.  But whatever.

*appreciates*
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: RoeDent on November 05, 2010, 04:58:47 AM
^

So that we can declare our appreciation to each other and the world.

*appreciates s'more*
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2010, 05:02:57 AM
Yes, but LTL already gets plenty of that.  Most appreciation threads are for songs that people feel may not be getting enough appreciation already.

But again, hey, whatever.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: jsem on November 05, 2010, 05:29:38 AM
Makes all the difference... in LEARNING TO LIVE!!
#1 DT song.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Seventh Son on November 05, 2010, 06:46:18 AM
Yes, but LTL already gets plenty of that.  Most appreciation threads are for songs that people feel may not be getting enough appreciation already.

But again, hey, whatever.
Well  we were all nerd raging over LTL not making moffatt's top 50 and the thread devolved after that, so a topic needed to be made :P
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 05, 2010, 09:07:07 AM
One of DT's best.  All time.  Appreciation well deserved.  Thank you.  That's all.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: KevShmev on November 05, 2010, 09:12:33 AM
Definitey one of the band's best two or three songs; it is awesome in every way.

Also, I think the F# gets overstated.  This song is awesome from start to finish, yet it seems like that is the first thing people think of when this song is mentioned.  Honestly, I had been listening to this song for over 10 years before I even heard about this F#, and then I didn't even know where it was for a while after that.  When I figured it out, I was like, "Oh yeah, that part is cool," but I don't touch myself at night thinking about it like others seem to.  Just saying, is all...;) :p
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: John94 on November 05, 2010, 10:13:49 AM
*Appriciates*
Woah woah waahh.

I would kill to see an inform James hit that note live.

Evident that DT needs more JMX lyrics.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Dream Team on November 05, 2010, 11:43:52 AM
I would love to have professional video footage of the KM-era DT doing this song. I was disappoint when they said on the Tokyo DVD commentaries that the encore from that show was LtL but it didn't get included. But the LSFNY version is great too.

This will be some of the unfortunate fall-out from the MP departure; probably little chance of getting updated/improved versions of prior releases.

Oh, and can someone tell me again why the F# has yet to be featured on a DVD? Every live version we have of that song, James opts out and tries something different in that spot. OK, well, technically only 2 full versions: Live Scenes from New York and Bucharest. Still . . .
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: skydivingninja on November 05, 2010, 11:49:00 AM
Third favorite song, behind Octavarium and Trial of Tears.  SOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOD
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 05, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Didn't realize it wasn't appreciated. The intro kinda irks me, but other then that, it's awesome.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Implode on November 06, 2010, 12:19:16 AM
One of my favorites parts is:

I hear kindness, beauty, and TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTH!!!
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2010, 05:19:35 AM
The intro kinda irks me, but other then that, it's awesome.
???
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: j on November 06, 2010, 10:11:49 AM
Definitey one of the band's best two or three songs; it is awesome in every way.

Also, I think the F# gets overstated.  This song is awesome from start to finish, yet it seems like that is the first thing people think of when this song is mentioned.  Honestly, I had been listening to this song for over 10 years before I even heard about this F#, and then I didn't even know where it was for a while after that.  When I figured it out, I was like, "Oh yeah, that part is cool," but I don't touch myself at night thinking about it like others seem to.  Just saying, is all...;) :p

This entire post.

-J
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Occasional_Madman on November 06, 2010, 04:16:47 PM
i think learning to live is a pretty cool guy. eh hits f#5 and doesnt afraid of anything.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: jsem on November 06, 2010, 05:13:10 PM
Definitey one of the band's best two or three songs; it is awesome in every way.

Also, I think the F# gets overstated.  This song is awesome from start to finish, yet it seems like that is the first thing people think of when this song is mentioned.  Honestly, I had been listening to this song for over 10 years before I even heard about this F#, and then I didn't even know where it was for a while after that.  When I figured it out, I was like, "Oh yeah, that part is cool," but I don't touch myself at night thinking about it like others seem to.  Just saying, is all...;) :p

This entire post.

-J
:tup
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Silver Tears on November 06, 2010, 05:55:45 PM
It's really hard for me to rank DT songs but I think Learning To Live would probably come in number 1.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Occasional_Madman on November 06, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
But in all seriousness, this is an absolute favorite of mine. Top 5, for sure. I'll find myself singing the ending for entire days.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: lonestar on November 06, 2010, 11:20:30 PM
I can't separate LTL from Wait For Sleep, so I'll appreciate both.
*appreciates*
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: zxlkho on November 07, 2010, 12:53:49 AM
I can't separate LTL from Wait For Sleep
This. I always try to listen to them together.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: emindead on November 07, 2010, 01:12:39 AM
I've never had a problem listening both independently. WFS and LTL are fantastic songs, but not indispensable to each other.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2010, 01:10:35 AM
I've never had a problem listening both independently. WFS and LTL are fantastic songs, but not indispensable to each other.
This.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Algo Fonix on November 07, 2010, 01:15:47 AM
I only ever listen to WFS when I'm listening to the album as a whole.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: tri.ad on November 07, 2010, 01:37:08 AM
LTL works perfectly on its own; the WFS part is a nice addition but it doesn't make it necessary to listen to WFS beforehand every time I want to hear LTL imo.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: lonestar on November 07, 2010, 02:32:20 PM
WFS just leads into LTL so perfectly.  If I listen to LTL on it's own, I feel like I'm starting the song in the middls.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Ħ on November 08, 2010, 06:32:39 AM
OH MY GOD

If you haven't listened to the YtseJamRecords Bootleg for New York 1993, it will BLOW YOUR MIND.  Learning to Live is now officially my favorite DT song!  :metal :2metal: :metal :2metal: :metal :2metal: :metal :2metal: \m/
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Silver Tears on November 08, 2010, 06:37:08 AM
I've never had a problem listening both independently. WFS and LTL are fantastic songs, but not indispensable to each other.

Yeah they both stand alone well, but I prefer listening to them both  :)
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 08, 2010, 09:06:51 AM
The intro kinda irks me, but other then that, it's awesome.
???

I'm not saying it's bad. I've grown used to it. But initially I felt that getting the song off to it's dramatic interlude faster would've helped, especially coming right off of WFS. But that portion is by no means bad. I've grown quite a custom to it.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 08, 2010, 09:07:39 AM
EDIT: double post
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Occasional_Madman on November 08, 2010, 07:30:24 PM
OH MY GOD

If you haven't listened to the YtseJamRecords Bootleg for New York 1993, it will BLOW YOUR MIND.  Learning to Live is now officially my favorite DT song!  :metal :2metal: :metal :2metal: :metal :2metal: :metal :2metal: \m/

THIS!!!!

Holy crap, this is the best version of LtL I've ever heard. I can't get over how just... absoultely stunning it is. I just wish the bass was higher in the mix, because this is honestly one of my favorite basslines.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Lynxo on November 09, 2010, 08:41:45 AM
As good as it is, it is kind of pointless to the song. If he hit an F# while singing the chorus, it would be completely different.

Pretty much what I said.  I agree.
I sooo disagree. In my mind, you have quite a big, instrumental build-up, with the vocals adding the final, epic touch before one of the most moving solo's Petrucci has ever done. Without the WOAH's, the solo wouldn't have felt so epic.

Amazing song!
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Scar on June 07, 2016, 03:53:18 PM
Didn't understand the beauty for it until just recently.

This song is really beautiful. Everything about this song, I should say, is really beautiful. The chorus gets me every time and the instrumental sections is amazing.

Also, one of the greatest Labrie notes ever to be hit. And the guitar solo, WFS reprise, and the ending is super glorious. Definitely one of the songs I'd enjoy listening to over and over again.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Drinktheater on September 04, 2017, 12:15:47 AM
It is truly an epic lots of instrumental passages and the breakdown is awesome plus that Waiting for sleep theme made it more epic.

Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 04, 2017, 12:45:50 AM
Mega bump is mega
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Cable on September 05, 2017, 06:28:55 PM
Missed this originally.

If I was forced to say what my favorite DT song is, I'd probably say this. The "outro" feels like it keeps going after the "chorus," even though JLB has some incredible vocals. Only thing that holds it back is production IMO.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Herrick on September 05, 2017, 10:01:47 PM
Herrick's second favorite song from Images and Words. It's kind of a weird song with that one heavy section with the cool rhythm. Or maybe the song isn't weird but that heavy section is? Great song!

Also, I don't mind when an old thread is bumped.

Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 07, 2017, 01:58:46 PM
My post near the top of this page is nearly 7 years old.   :lol
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: don_waka on September 08, 2017, 09:30:29 AM
I remember being no more than 12 years old and wondering how they could have ever come up with such a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: The Walrus on September 08, 2017, 09:48:30 AM
Obligatory. Never gets old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5g8tzwi_Rk
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: Herrick on September 08, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
Obligatory. Never gets old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5g8tzwi_Rk

Sexcellent!
Title: Re: Learning To Live Appreciation Thread (it needed to be done)
Post by: don_waka on September 22, 2017, 08:49:36 PM
Obligatory. Never gets old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5g8tzwi_Rk

Holy shit I've just had a boner.