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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: darkshade on September 13, 2010, 10:52:38 PM
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i wanted to start a new thread that isn't Portnoy related (i am becoming weary of reading the various topics when i come here)
i just listened to ACoS live from Live Scenes From New York, and i must say, having not given it a proper listen before, it is IMO SOOOOO much better than the studio version. i love the studio version, dont get me wrong, and Sherinian is amazing on it, but there is something really pleasing about the LSFNY version. it feels like the band is playing with so much emotion, not to mention JLB sings his heart out, he's just ferocious!
i also think the sound quality is better than the studio, but thats just me. i dont know any other official live releases of the full song so im just listing the 2 i know of.
so what do you guys think?
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Studio, definitely. It's funny cause that's exactly what I'm listening to now.
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Yea I'm pretty torn. I think if they took the performane of the LSFNY version and just...mixed it better? It would be god like. I like the mix of the original, but the live version is damn fine, although the goofy parts....eh...I can live without those.
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Hey i started this thread a while ago! ;) Studio version. :metal
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Studio, definitely. It's funny cause that's exactly what I'm listening to now.
Nice :yarr
i just started listening to DT again after MP leaving. the only DT song i listened to in the last week was ITPOE (both parts, as one (meh i hate that i have to do that))
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btw i always wondered why they didnt do the entire song for Once in A Livetime, or the YtseJam release Old Bridge, NJ 12/14/1996 show. i know theyre both from the same time period, but the EP had recently come out back then, why wouldnt they play the whole thing?
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btw i always wondered why they didnt do the entire song for Once in A Livetime, or the YtseJam release Old Bridge, NJ 12/14/1996 show. i know theyre both from the same time period, but the EP had recently come out back then, why wouldnt they play the whole thing?
They did play it. And you can hear it live with Derek on this release - https://ytsejamrecords.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=15
It's a pretty good show, too, with all the cool changes and additions they made to certain songs.
I think after they did the it for shows in 1995. As for not playing it during 96/97/98 tours, I think it's because they had a MASSIVE amount of material written during those years for FII, and with 15 songs, it'd be hard to fit in a 23 minute epic in your set with all those NEW songs to pick from, as well as 3 prior albums of material. At least they brought the whole thing back in 2000, and then again in 2004.
-Marc.
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LSFNY only because i love hearing portnoy do the "we can hold for the future but there may not be one" line
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LSFNY only because i love hearing portnoy do the "we can hold for the future but there may not be one" line
Meh. It wasn't bad by any means, but I prefer LaBrie singing....all of the parts if he can.
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Meh. It wasn't bad by any means, but I prefer LaBrie singing....all of the parts if he can.
Yeah, I agree. I don't like when Portnoy sings, but I love his vocal performance on The Glass Prison studio version.
Anyway, Studio/EP version.
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Studio version, although I find JR's piano interlude in The Darkest Of Winters actually more fitting than DS's.
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Studio version, although I find JR's piano interlude in The Darkest Of Winters actually more fitting than DS's.
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I havn't gave the live version a proper listen yet so I can't answer that now...
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LSFNY
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Fuck, I can't decide!!
If I had to choose, probably the LSFNY one as it was one of the first vids I ever saw of DT. I couldn't imagine how many times I would have watched it.
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Fuck, I can't decide!!
If I had to choose, probably the LSFNY one as it was one of the first vids I ever saw of DT. I couldn't imagine how many times I would have watched it.
same.... haha i would sit and watch it over and over... and i was kinda disappointed / relieved when i didnt hear that dicking around in the studio version
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I prefer the studio version.
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I prefer the studio version.
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The LSFNY DVD was my first instroduction to DT. There's a special place in my heart for A Change of Seasons, because it was the song that pushed Dream Theater over the edge for me. When I watched it for the first time, I was overtaken by the immensity of it all, and I've never looked back. I love the studio version too, but LSFNY is special for me.
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The LSFNY version is hands-down the best version of that song ever recorded.
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Both? :)
Probably the LSFNY version; just listened to it a couple days ago for the first time in a long time. What a good freakin' song.
Alex
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Studio version. It was the first Dream Theater I ever bought, and while the LSFNY version is very good, I really don't hear anything in it that I like better than the original.
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The LSFNY version is really good, no doubt about that, but I voted for studio. The Inevitable Summer JP solo is a rare gem that almost didn't make the cut. JP improvises too much in the live version and that portion of the song gets kinda lost in the inevitable JP shred fest. :lol
I wish he would've stayed a little more true to the studio version during that section of the song.
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I voted for LSFNY cuz I haven't listened to the studio version for like 2 years and can't remember how that one sounds
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It sounds better.
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Studio.
Parts like "Oh come, let us adore him" etc really suffer on the LSFNY version IMO, and I think the crazy interludes just get in the way. Saying that, I can definatley see how people prefer the LSFNY version, I just prefer the additional polish and production on the studio version.
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LSFNW (perhaps because I heard it first). I rarely listen to ACOS or Octavarium studio versions, I stick the the live version.
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Studio.
Parts like "Oh come, let us adore him" etc really suffer on the LSFNW version IMO, and I think the crazy interludes just get in the way. Saying that, I can definatley see how people prefer the LSFNW version, I just prefer the additional polish and production on the studio version.
LSFNW (perhaps because I heard it first). I rarely listen to ACOS or Octavarium studio versions, I stick the the live version.
LSFNW = Likely Safe For Not Work?
-Marc.
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Studio.
Parts like "Oh come, let us adore him" etc really suffer on the LSFNW version IMO, and I think the crazy interludes just get in the way. Saying that, I can definatley see how people prefer the LSFNW version, I just prefer the additional polish and production on the studio version.
LSFNW (perhaps because I heard it first). I rarely listen to ACOS or Octavarium studio versions, I stick the the live version.
LSFNW = Likely Safe For Not Work?
-Marc.
I are tard.
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Both have parts I like better than the other. the "Please don't go", the interludes, and the feel of the live scenes version. But the vocals and ending i like on the studio. It Would've been epic if they ended it the studio version live
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ACOS was the first song I played by DT after I heard MP left. Actually it was by accident..but still profound.
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the images and words demo. lol
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LSFNY wins by a hair because JLB owns.
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LSFNY only because i love hearing portnoy do the "we can hold for the future but there may not be one" line
Meh. It wasn't bad by any means, but I prefer LaBrie singing....all of the parts if he can.
That was crucial. That's what allows JLB to sing the "but those days are gone" part (which he did damn well on that particular night). I listened to a couple of live versions that pre-dated MP doing backing VOX a few weeks ago, and it just wasn't the same.
However, JLB is the reason I easily vote for the studio version. He sang parts of it very well during LSFNY, but he was clearly out of gas and it showed in a lot of other parts. By the end, he just sounded monotonous.
Other notes, I agree about the wankery in the live solo being a detraction, even though it was still a damn fine solo, and I'd just as soon they skip the goofing off interludes as well.
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the images and words demo.
But of the two choices, LSFNY.
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I wouldn't say JLB owns the LSFNY version..though I thik it's a very good performance...but he tires during The Crimson Sunrise...not that I'm holding that against him.
The studio version features a perfect performance by James.
I really love both versions., The studio version is tattooeed on my music soul, but I like what Jordan does with it live. He gives it a proggier feel. The goofy solos..I have no problem with. It's what makes DT's great live personality. But on LSFNY, I do not like how they slowed it down around the 19 minute mark right before The Crimson Sunrise. At regular speed, it's really one of my favorite parts of the song.
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Hey, guys. I was curious if there's a studio version of "A Change of Seasons" featuring Kevin Moore? I ask because Dream Theater recently posted that I&W 25th anniversary interview with Petrucci in which he said the band had planned to include ACOS on I&W, but the record label overruled them feeling the album would be too long. So, does that mean a studio version was recorded with Moore but never saw the light of day?
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I'm almost 100% sure there is not unless you consider the demo version a studio version.
I think the inclusion of A Change of Seasons on Images & Words was nixed before they recorded anything.
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Hey, guys. I was curious if there's a studio version of "A Change of Seasons" featuring Kevin Moore? I ask because Dream Theater recently posted that I&W 25th anniversary interview with Petrucci in which he said the band had planned to include ACOS on I&W, but the record label overruled them. So, does that mean a studio version was recorded with Moore but never saw the light of day?
There's a demo version on the Images and Words Demos 1989-1991 that you could buy from the Ytse Jam Records online store (except that it's presently listed as out of stock). You can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Arx3NbQnug It's pretty similar to the live version that's on the March 1993 NYC show bootleg.
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Thanks, dudes!
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btw i always wondered why they didnt do the entire song for Once in A Livetime, or the YtseJam release Old Bridge, NJ 12/14/1996 show. i know theyre both from the same time period, but the EP had recently come out back then, why wouldnt they play the whole thing?
They did play it. And you can hear it live with Derek on this release - https://ytsejamrecords.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=15
Quoting a 7-year-old post here, but I wanted to ask a quick question - what is the song 'Lost Without You' on the 2nd CD of that bootleg? Is it a cover, or some unreleased track? If a cover, of which band?
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btw i always wondered why they didnt do the entire song for Once in A Livetime, or the YtseJam release Old Bridge, NJ 12/14/1996 show. i know theyre both from the same time period, but the EP had recently come out back then, why wouldnt they play the whole thing?
They did play it. And you can hear it live with Derek on this release - https://ytsejamrecords.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=15
Quoting a 7-year-old post here, but I wanted to ask a quick question - what is the song 'Lost Without You' on the 2nd CD of that bootleg? Is it a cover, or some unreleased track? If a cover, of which band?
I'm probably wrong on details but I think Lost Without You is a Guitar Solo that later evolved into a song on Petrucci's solo album.
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If there were a third vote option here with the live Kevin Moore version I'd vote for that. The unisons at 15:30 are pure chocolate cake.
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Definitely studio version/EP. Can't stand those stupid notes Rudess introduced in LSFNY :facepalm:
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i wanted to start a new thread that isn't Portnoy related
MP wrote ACOS for his mother.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-has-no-desire-or-interest-to-play-with-dream-theater-again/
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Ha, I never noticed that.
I mean, it's pretty well known what the lyrics to ACOS are about, but I've always just thought of the song as the song, not specifically "MP's song" even though he considers it very personal, so the irony is amusing.
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The studio version is the best version for me but the Live Scenes performances is the best live version I've heard so far.
I really dislike Ruddess's stupid silly piano part and the Simpsons theme is kind of inappropriate for a serious song like A Change of Seasons.
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Maybe MP's mom used to watch the Simpsons together with MP?
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Maybe MP's mom used to watch the Simpsons together with MP?
I think his mom died in the mid 80s before the Simpsons was ever on.
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Maybe MP's mom used to watch the Simpsons together with MP?
I think his mom died in the mid 80s before the Simpsons was ever on.
"The Simpsons" first aired (as its own series) on December 17, 1989. Portnoy's mother died on November 16, 1984 (according to MP himself: https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/798981573152542724).
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Let's also realize that if it were a "problem" or "insensitive" or "whatever" then I'm sure MP would not have wanted these alterations in the live version so as far as I'm concerned it's all good.
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Let's also realize that if it were a "problem" or "insensitive" or "whatever" then I'm sure MP would not have wanted these alterations in the live version so as far as I'm concerned it's all good.
True.
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The studio version is the best version for me but the Live Scenes performances is the best live version I've heard so far.
I really dislike Ruddess's stupid silly piano part and the Simpsons theme is kind of inappropriate for a serious song like A Change of Seasons.
Yup it kinda ruins the emotional content of the song and just turns into another Prog exhibitionism "Hey look we are so good we can suddenly inject different feel here".
I hope they stop doing that with epics.
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i wanted to start a new thread that isn't Portnoy related
MP wrote ACOS for his mother.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-has-no-desire-or-interest-to-play-with-dream-theater-again/
That's an interesting comment given that, at the "mp.faq" section at MP's web site (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/30.aspx), he wrote (or someone wrote on his behalf), "[ACOS is] about the cycle of life. Basically, I took a lot of personal incidents, like losing my mother and a couple of things that happened in my life, and I wrote them into the lyrics. Like, on a smaller scale, I wouldn't try to compare it with this, but when I listen to Pink Floyd's the Wall, there are a lot of emotions there- just a lot of frustrations and anger. He goes full circle, the character. He has a child and just as he's about to pass on and die, now his son is going to have to live the life he did and go through those same experiences." Saying he wrote it for his mother seems to be quite an oversimplification, but it obviously wasn't the specific focus of the interview.
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The studio version is the best version for me but the Live Scenes performances is the best live version I've heard so far.
I really dislike Ruddess's stupid silly piano part and the Simpsons theme is kind of inappropriate for a serious song like A Change of Seasons.
Yup it kinda ruins the emotional content of the song and just turns into another Prog exhibitionism "Hey look we are so good we can suddenly inject different feel here".
I hope they stop doing that with epics.
JM changed his solo part to a baseball cheer (da-da-da-daaa-da-daaaaa...charge!), Petrucci changed his to the Simpsons excerpt, and Jordan has stuck with the "western" feel thing, rather than duplicate what DS did on the album (which, in turn, was different from what KM played int he same spot. My only complaint is that I really like the three solo spots on the EP (particularly DS's somewhat jazzy piece), so I'd prefer they play what's on the album (which, IMO, is itself "Prog exhibitionism"), which is what JM and JP have been doing recently.
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If there were a third vote option here with the live Kevin Moore version I'd vote for that. The unisons at 15:30 are pure chocolate cake.
Agreed, altho I'd say the whole instrumental section from 13:38 to 16:35 is just killer.
The studio version is the best version for me but the Live Scenes performances is the best live version I've heard so far.
I really dislike Ruddess's stupid silly piano part and the Simpsons theme is kind of inappropriate for a serious song like A Change of Seasons.
Yup it kinda ruins the emotional content of the song and just turns into another Prog exhibitionism "Hey look we are so good we can suddenly inject different feel here".
There are many people that would say the whole song is another example Prog exhibitionism. I think there's nothing wrong with having a little fun with those brief solo sections, because that's what it is - having fun, and you do want the guys to have fun while they're performing, don't you? It's not as if they've redone the whole song in some sort of wacky way.
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I like these kind of things when they do that it shows they are humorous, at least i think it's funny.
On a sidenote does anyone has a clue why this baby still isn't released on vinyl ???
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If there were a third vote option here with the live Kevin Moore version I'd vote for that. The unisons at 15:30 are pure chocolate cake.
Agreed, altho I'd say the whole instrumental section from 13:38 to 16:35 is just killer.
The studio version is the best version for me but the Live Scenes performances is the best live version I've heard so far.
I really dislike Ruddess's stupid silly piano part and the Simpsons theme is kind of inappropriate for a serious song like A Change of Seasons.
Yup it kinda ruins the emotional content of the song and just turns into another Prog exhibitionism "Hey look we are so good we can suddenly inject different feel here".
There are many people that would say the whole song is another example Prog exhibitionism. I think there's nothing wrong with having a little fun with those brief solo sections, because that's what it is - having fun, and you do want the guys to have fun while they're performing, don't you? It's not as if they've redone the whole song in some sort of wacky way.
Yeah it's not a huge deal. It's kind of like the people who break out the pitch forks when a great movie is remade/rebooted. "Chill Jules. This shit happens". The Original is still there for us to love and cherish.
Kind of off topic butt as a selfish fan who doesn't go to concerts very often, saw DT for the first time on this Images & Words Anniversary tour & loves A Change of Seasons more than any other DT song, Herrick would've preferred if Ruddess played the studio part. Who knows if they'll ever play it again live? :(
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Of the 2 choices, I prefer the studio version.
ACoS is my favorite DT song. To me, it encompasses everything I love about prog rock. It's an epic. Could be the "perfect" song, although it's a subjective statement.
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Derek's piano solo in the trade-off section is not only a highlight of the song, but a highlight of his contributions to the Dream Theater catalog. It is sorely missed when Jordan plays the song live.
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The studio version is the best version for me but the Live Scenes performances is the best live version I've heard so far.
I really dislike Ruddess's stupid silly piano part and the Simpsons theme is kind of inappropriate for a serious song like A Change of Seasons.
Yup it kinda ruins the emotional content of the song and just turns into another Prog exhibitionism "Hey look we are so good we can suddenly inject different feel here".
I hope they stop doing that with epics.
This.
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Vinyl
https://www.bullmoose.com/p/26760788/dream-theater-a-change-of-seasons-blue-white-mixed-vinyl-2-lp-180-gram-blue-white-vinyl-ltd-to-2500?utm_source=twv&utm_campaign=notmetal
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Link doesn't work :(
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Vinyl
https://www.bullmoose.com/p/26760788/dream-theater-a-change-of-seasons-blue-white-mixed-vinyl-2-lp-180-gram-blue-white-vinyl-ltd-to-2500?utm_source=twv&utm_campaign=notmetal
Let me know when they release it on 8-track.
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Vinyl
https://www.bullmoose.com/p/26760788/dream-theater-a-change-of-seasons-blue-white-mixed-vinyl-2-lp-180-gram-blue-white-vinyl-ltd-to-2500?utm_source=twv&utm_campaign=notmetal
Let me know when they release it on 8-track.
:lol
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Vinyl
https://www.bullmoose.com/p/26760788/dream-theater-a-change-of-seasons-blue-white-mixed-vinyl-2-lp-180-gram-blue-white-vinyl-ltd-to-2500?utm_source=twv&utm_campaign=notmetal
Thank you !!
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JP is my favorite guitar player... but is it just me or is his performance not the best on this show...
and don't get me started on his guitar tone... horrendous!
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Happy 27th Birthday to the A Change Of Seasons EP!
I'm still holding out hope for a LFNA release of the full Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club show!
-Marc.
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My introduction to this song was the Live Scenes DVD, and then seeing it live on the ToT tour. I have a hunch I had seen the EP in record stores, but passed on it based on the set list. One new song and a bunch of covers? Pass. I vividly recall asking my friend download the the song for me - I guess I knew that was a thing but hadn't figured out how to dp it yet. She was all "wtf this is a long song!" Her favorite album was Operation: Mindcrime so thinking back is it a little surprising she wasn't familiar with DT. The file I have to this day is the one my friend downloaded for me all those years ago.
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Happy 27th Birthday to the A Change Of Seasons EP!
I'm still holding out hope for a LFNA release of the full Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club show!
-Marc.
You and me both; fingers crossed!
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My introduction to this song was the Live Scenes DVD. . . .
I've written about this before, but.... I bought my first computer (with a friggin' 256 MB hard drive!) in the summer of 1993. It came with *Prodigy software installed, and I logged on and subscribed. I ended up on a metal forum, and there was a guy there with a boot of the 3/4/93 show at the Limelight (which later became available through Ytse Jam Records, and I'm not sure if it's since been released on LNF Archives). I had nothing to trade, so I sent the guy a 90-minute cassette and a return envelope. A few weeks later, the tape showed up, and that was my first exposure to ACOS (sandwiched between The Killing Hand and Wait for Sleep/Learning to Live). I listened to that tape a bunch, but I had actually forgotten about it when the EP came out two years later. I remember my friend calling me and playing the intro over the phone. I immediately went out and bought the EP and was blown away. I then remembered the tape and compared the two. I thought the new version was so much improved, but it was fun being there and seeing the evolution of this epic.
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…and there was a guy there with a boot of the 3/4/93 show at the Limelight (which later became available through Ytse Jam Records, and I'm not sure if it's since been released on LNF Archives). I had nothing to trade, so I sent the guy a 90-minute cassette and a return envelope.
Was f that the Live in NYC 93 show?
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…and there was a guy there with a boot of the 3/4/93 show at the Limelight (which later became available through Ytse Jam Records, and I'm not sure if it's since been released on LNF Archives). I had nothing to trade, so I sent the guy a 90-minute cassette and a return envelope.
Was f that the Live in NYC 93 show?
The very same. Boots of it had circulated for YEARS before the Ytse Jam Records version was properly released back in 2007 (https://www.discogs.com/release/2586273-Dream-Theater-Official-Bootleg-New-York-City-3493), which was when I first heard the show. But now it's been re-released and remastered as part of the Lost Not Forgotten Archives series (https://www.discogs.com/release/22570454-Dream-Theater-Live-In-NYC-1993), earlier this year in March 2022, though I haven't listened to that (or the YJR version) enough lately to be able to compare and A/B them to see what the differences are.
It's an absolute fire show, and probably one of the best sounding shows of the official live boots they released. Probably as perfect of a setlist as you could imagine from that era, and it's one of only FOUR shows where they played the original version of "A Change Of Seasons"!
-Marc.
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I bought my first computer (with a friggin' 256 MB hard drive!) in the summer of 1993. It came with *Prodigy software installed...
One of my best friends at the time had a computer, and tons of games, which many of my friends did not. His family was wealthy so it was typical. Anyway, he also had this thing called Prodigy. He ended up talking to a girl from S (or N?) Dakota through Prodigy. They ended up convincing their parents to let them meet - I think his dad drove him out there. And they became an item for a while. That blew my mind. How did my friend meet a girl... THROUGH THE COMPUTER?!
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I bought my first computer (with a friggin' 256 MB hard drive!) in the summer of 1993. It came with *Prodigy software installed...
One of my best friends at the time had a computer, and tons of games, which many of my friends did not. His family was wealthy so it was typical. Anyway, he also had this thing called Prodigy. He ended up talking to a girl from S (or N?) Dakota through Prodigy. They ended up convincing their parents to let them meet - I think his dad drove him out there. And they became an item for a while. That blew my mind. How did my friend meet a girl... THROUGH THE COMPUTER?!
Well...one of the main reasons I got the computer was because a friend of mine had one and was signed up on a service called The Sierra Network ("TSN," which became The Imagination Network), which had a Dungeons & Dragons style game called Shadow of Yserbius. It had a bunch of other games you could play, including stuff like backgammon and hearts. Long story short, I met my now wife through TSN, and before meeting her, I met a few other girls. One turned out to be a 16 or 17 year old girl who was coming to CA from I don't remember where, with her mother, and I met her at the 1993 Foundations Forum, where I also met Mike and Marlene Portnoy.
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ACOS is special for me because it's the only DT release from the same year I was born :tup
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With all the YJR stuff that has been released, it's fun to be able to really trace the evolution of the song. My favorite by far will always be the LSFNY version. That's pretty much perfect. But I enjoy hearing how it developed and changed. Still my second favorite DT song of all time.
Happy 27th Birthday to the A Change Of Seasons EP!
I'm still holding out hope for a LFNA release of the full Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club show!
-Marc.
You and me both; fingers crossed!
That used to be on my bucket list as well. But hearing bootlegs of it, when it comes right down to it, it's just not that great. The parts that were officially released have been significantly touched up to sound better, and are easily the best parts of the show. Not trying to persuade you to not still want it, but for me, it has fallen way down my list.
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I thought I voted on this poll, but apparently I didn't.
I chose the LSFNY version. I had bought LSFNY at Hastings, and this was the first time I heard the song, including Learning to Live and A Mind Beside Itself Suite. After this, I borrowed a friends ACOS EP and ripped it onto my computer. Although I enjoyed hearing the recorded version, it was missing something. There's one vocal line on LSFNY that is not on the recorded version, it's where JLB screams "Please Don't Go". I feel those words add a lot to the overall meaning of the song. JLB also did not sing those lyrics during the I&W&B tour, I did sing it aloud though, and I am sure there were others in the audience who did so as well.
I am also very glad that I got to see this song live. Who knows when they will play this song again, and if they don't play it again, I will be glad to have been at the last show they played the song. I hope they do make it to a 50th anniversary and decide to play this song.
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I prefer the studio version, except for the snare sound. I did like that they added the "Please. Don't. Go." back to the song for the LSFNY version, though.
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I love the LSFNY version except for when JP gets shreddy during the last solo. The album version of that solo is perfection.
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I love LSFNY version and agree this is a great performance by JLB and the whole band. But I still prefer the studio version, for one simple reason - it seems to be the last record where JLB's voice still has all of its former beauty - this pristine and clear tenor sound (a bit like Freddie Mercury but with a different timbre - while Freddie's voice sound kind of "dark blue" to me, James' would be more like "bright gold" - if it makes any sense).
I know, ACOS was recorded after the food poisoning incident but James still sounds godly. After that, despite how good he was, a part of his voice was lost forever.
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I probably should go back and listen to the studio version again (been a few months), but just for the sake of discussion, does MP do any backing vocals in the studio version? I've heard it a million times and don't recall hearing any, unless I very unlikely missed something.
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Pretty sure that JP and MP do the "gather ye rosebuds" lines towards the end.
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Pretty sure that JP and MP do the "gather ye rosebuds" lines towards the end.
That's actually a sample track from the movie "Dead Poets Society". It's a Carpe Diem thing.
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Not that part.
In "The Crimson Sunset" section:
James: I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset
BGVOX: Gather ye rosebuds while ye may
James: Many years have come and gone; I've lived my life but now must move on
BGVOX: Gather ye Rosebuds while ye may
James: He is my only one, now that the time has come....
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Ah yes, gotcha. I remember now....
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Ah yes, gotcha. I remember now....
That's a different band. :biggrin:
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Ah yes, gotcha. I remember now....
That's a different band. :biggrin:
I remember how it started...:p
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I really miss the JP/KM unison at 15:30 and also JP's solo right before this and all the way until 16:40 but this unison is definitely an all-timer.
I wonder why they scrapped the unison section from the final version and why they didn't try and use it somewhere else in a different song. It's just too awesome to have been dumped.
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I really miss the JP/KM unison at 15:30 and also JP's solo right before this and all the way until 16:40 but this unison is definitely an all-timer.
I wonder why they scrapped the unison section from the final version and why they didn't try and use it somewhere else in a different song. It's just too awesome to have been dumped.
What version are you referring to?
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I'm guessing the I&W demo. Isn't that the only version with KM?
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I'm guessing the I&W demo. Isn't that the only version with KM?
Or that live recording from New York. Forget the name of the boot.
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I'm guessing the I&W demo. Isn't that the only version with KM?
Or that live recording from New York. Forget the name of the boot.
It's in the Lost Not Forgotten release "Live in NYC, 1993".
https://youtu.be/W8REHXIOuMg?t=928
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I'm guessing the I&W demo. Isn't that the only version with KM?
Or that live recording from New York. Forget the name of the boot.
After asking, I figured it out. It's the Limelight show from 3/4/93. The studio demo version doesn't have any sort of unison thing at the time mark mentioned. The Limelight version does. I'd guess (and it's no more than that) that they dropped that section because they didn't think it needed another "wanky" section and that they thought it didn't fit well with the revised version that was officially released.
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I prefer the studio version, except for the snare sound. I did like that they added the "Please. Don't. Go." back to the song for the LSFNY version, though.
Was that line in the older demo versions?
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I prefer the studio version, except for the snare sound. I did like that they added the "Please. Don't. Go." back to the song for the LSFNY version, though.
Was that line in the older demo versions?
I'm not sure about the demos, but it was in the '93 live version.
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I prefer the studio version, except for the snare sound. I did like that they added the "Please. Don't. Go." back to the song for the LSFNY version, though.
Was that line in the older demo versions?
I'm not sure about the demos, but it was in the '93 live version.
I'll have to look for that version. I've heard an older version before but I don't remember how it differed from the EP version.
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I prefer the studio version, except for the snare sound. I did like that they added the "Please. Don't. Go." back to the song for the LSFNY version, though.
Was that line in the older demo versions?
I'm not sure about the demos, but it was in the '93 live version.
I'll have to look for that version. I've heard an older version before but I don't remember how it differed from the EP version.
The I&W demo version (https://youtu.be/TLV2ofMRlxA) is essentially identical to the 1993 live version (https://youtu.be/j6LbxagCfX8), and both have significant differences from the official EP release.
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I really miss the JP/KM unison at 15:30 and also JP's solo right before this and all the way until 16:40 but this unison is definitely an all-timer.
I wonder why they scrapped the unison section from the final version and why they didn't try and use it somewhere else in a different song. It's just too awesome to have been dumped.
What version are you referring to?
Sorry, I totally forgot to check back but, yes, it is the live version from 1993.
I don't think they'd cut it for a "too wanky" reason since that's never been an issue with the guys so who knows. I just think it's too cool to have been tossed away in the final version.
I also miss the warped version of Pull Me Under and also in The Killing Hand the Fortune in Lies Easter Egg and the Carol of the Bells section in the live version from when Sherinian was in the band.