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General => Archive => Dream Theater-related => Topic started by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:24:23 PM
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A few things to remember-
1. There will be no bashing of Mike Portnoy
2. There will be no bashing of Dream Theater
3. There will be no bashing of certain other forums
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I am about to write something I never imagined I'd ever write:
After 25 years, I have decided to leave Dream Theater....the band I founded, led and truly loved for a quarter of a century.
To many people this will come as a complete shock, and will also likely be misunderstood by some, but please believe me that it is not a hasty decision...it is something I have struggled with for the last year or so....
After having had such amazing experiences playing with Hail, Transatlantic and Avenged Sevenfold this past year, I have sadly come to the conclusion that I have recently had more fun and better personal relations with these other projects than I have for a while now in Dream Theater...
Please don't misinterpret me, I love the DT guys dearly and have a long history, friendship and bond that runs incredibly deep with them...it's just that I think we are in serious need of a little break...
Dream Theater was always my baby...and I nurtured that baby every single day and waking moment of my life since 1985...24/7, 365...never taking time off from DT's never-ending responsibilites (even when the band was "off" between cycles)...working overtime and way beyond the call of duty that most sane people ever would do for a band...
But I've come to the conclusion that the DT machine was starting to burn me out...and I really needed a break from the band in order to save my relationship with the other members and keep my DT spirit hungry and inspired.
We have been on an endless write/record/tour cycle for almost 20 years now (of which I have overseen EVERY aspect without a break) and while a few months apart from each other here & there over the years has been much needed and helpful, I honestly hoped the band could simply agree with me to taking a bit of a "hiatus" to recharge our batteries and "save me from ourselves"...
Sadly, in discussing this with the guys, they determined they do not share my feelings and have decided to continue without me rather than take a breather...I even offered to do some occasional work throughout 2011 against my initial wishes, but it was not to be...
While it truly hurts for me to even think of a Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy (hell, my father named the band!!), I do not want to stand in their way...so I have decided to sacrifice myself and simply leave the band so as to not hold them back against their wishes....
Strangely enough, I just read an interview that I recently did that asked me about the future of DT and I talked about "always following your heart and being true to yourself"...sadly I must say that at this particular moment, my heart is not with Dream Theater...and I would simply be "going through the motions", and would honestly NOT be true to myself if I stayed for the sake of obligation without taking the break I felt I needed.
I wish the guys the best and hope the music and legacy we created together is enjoyed by fans for decades to come...I am proud of every album we made, every song we wrote and every show we played....
I'm sorry to all the disappointed DT fans around the world...I really tried to salvage the situation and make it work...I honestly just wanted a break (not a split)...but happiness cannot be forced, it needs to come from within....
You DT fans are the greatest fans in the world and as you all know, I have always busted my ass for you guys and I hope that you will stay with me on my future musical journey, wherever it may lead me....(and as you all know my work ethic, there will surely be no shortage of future MP projects!)
Sadly...
Your fearless ex-leader and drummer,
MP
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From James' website
DREAM THEATER
Press Release
To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with
profound sadness -- regret -- we announce that Mike
Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has
decided to leave Dream Theater. Mike's stature in
the band has meant the world to all of us
professionally, musically, and personally over the
years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major
force within this band.
While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other
ventures and challenges, we can assure you
that Dream Theater will continue to move forward
with the same intensity -- and in the same musical
tradition -- that you have all helped make so
successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Fans and friends: File this episode under "Black
Clouds and Silver Linings."As planned, we begin
recording our newest album in January 2011, and
we'll follow that with a full-on world tour. "The Spirit
Carries On."
All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike
the best on his musical journey. We have had a long
and meaningful career together. It is our true hope
that he finds all he is looking for, and that he
achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be
missed.
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WHAT
THE
FUCK?!
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Best be a joke.....
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WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Why did it have to be when I was just getting to know this band in the last year? WHY!?!
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Dammit. I think many of us saw this coming, but it still feels completely unexpected.
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WUT.
;_;
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MAN, NO!
I'm feeling awful.....NO, DARN!
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I want this to be a joke, but I can't see him joking about this... crazy fucking news.
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I'm completely stunned, but I have to give it a few days to make sure this isn't a joke cause he lost a bet and I begin a mental breakdown.
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Terrible news! The Portnoy output in Hail/A7X has been nothing on the DT output, and the Transatlantic releases have been great in a more jammy kinda way than live DT. I hope that he realises that in quitting DT he is probably causing the greatest prog metal band around to break up!
I really can't express how bad an idea this is. I hope he is very happy working with other peoples side projects/inferior bands
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OH MY FUCKING GOD. kill me now.
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So fucking unexpected. I had just read in a recent interview Mike saying he would never leave DT "it's my baby", etc.
His reasons though... He wanted a break from DT, but still continued to play in so many other sideprojects and A7X???!?!?
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Holy crap, I feel like breaking up with my lifetime girlfriend or something to that extent....
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Are you fucking shitting me?
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If this is true, I'm going to cry my eyes out. I will leave out the hate until this is 100% confirmed.
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HOLY SHIT
he'll be back. i know it. he will realize what he left down the road
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I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't either.
I feel bad for you guys if it's the latter.
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So fucking unexpected. I had just read in a recent interview Mike saying he would never leave DT "it's my baby", etc.
His reasons though... He wanted a break from DT, but still continued to play in so many other sideprojects and A7X???!?!?
Yeah...I kinda get the reasons thing...but hey!? No one forced him to be so restless in terms of DT...We all appreciated what he did for us, DT fans, but we even wished he could take a break...and his break is spent touring with other projects...? Hey, not cool...and I'm not bashing MP at all, I love him and I consider him a great drummer, but I sincerely can't digest these news right now...
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The part that confuses me is that the band would go on without him... who the hell is going to play drums? Kevin Moore?
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WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT?
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If this is true, I'm going to cry my eyes out. I will leave out the hate until this is 100% confirmed.
MP Posted it on FB and Twitter.
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I don't know though, would MP abandon DT. I think it might be a joke to get the fans crazy, but if it is a joke, it's not that funny
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This really does not compute. Where is the origin of this?
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Why am I getting this unsteady feeling MP's becoming A7X's permanent drummer?
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HE PROMISED ARIZONA A HEADLINER! Jerk! lol :(:(:(:(:(:(
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I really believed that if JR/JlB left DT then they could carry on, but after so many years with 3 members constant then surely this is it for the band?
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I really never thought I'd see the day... I can't believe how much this is affecting me, I barely even listen to them anymore!
WHY AM I SO SAD
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WTF? :sadpanda: :'( this is terrible news
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This is EXACTLY what I was freaking out about when he started playing/recording with A7X.
This is a terrible day for the music industry.
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Holy fucking shit. I'm paralyzed in shock. Wow.
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Okay guys.
One thing to keep in consideration-
It appears, by Mike's post, that this statement means Dream Theater will continue to put things out (as Mike left because HE wanted to take a break).
So, we're still bound to get plenty of Dream Theater.
That, and, we're bound to get more Transatlantic (hopefully).
BUT this also means the end of the hardest working force in the band... the guy that brought us the custom setlists, official bootlegs, and probably all the other things that we'll never notice.... (along with RORO vocals).
So, trying to be optimistic here.... More DT output... More TA output... and no more RORO... There we go.
:-[
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I just don't understand....
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Why am I getting this unsteady feeling MP's becoming A7X's permanent drummer?
It's like this horrible sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
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A sad part about this is it's not like this could even mean Transatlantic will become permanent considering Neal Morse could hold that up at will.
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WHAT
THE
FUCK
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FUCKFUCKFUCK I'M CRYING
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I doubt it's going to be the same without Mike. The guy was a MAJOR writing force.
I'd honestly rather they just hang it up and go solo forever. Their solo material is great, and trying to release a DT album without MP is like trying to release a PT album without Steven Wilson.
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He must have read this thread and said, "I'll show them..."
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16048.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16048.0)
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My only optimistic thought is that if they even can find a replacement drummer...that maybe this means more JM involvement.
Other than that, I'm going to go cry like a bitch and listen to Disappear.
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I'm sorry for that thread... :-[
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I really never thought I'd see the day... I can't believe how much this is affecting me, I barely even listen to them anymore!
WHY AM I SO SAD
This.
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Why am I not surprised? It'll be very interesting to see who they pick up.
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This really does not compute. Where is the origin of this?
MP's facebook
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they shouldn't pick anybody up. Just hang up the boots.
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I am in complete shock. I'm either going to wake up from this horrible dream, or Mike will update in thirty minutes explaining that someone hacked his accounts.
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A sad part about this is it's not like this could even mean Transatlantic will become permanent considering Neal Morse could hold that up at will.
man yeah...wtf? Hail? That was a once-in-a-lifetime experience (twice or thrice, maybe), Transatlantic? Heck, that's not happening any time soon again...A7X?! Avenged Fucking Sevenfold?
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Why am I getting this unsteady feeling MP's becoming A7X's permanent drummer?
It's like this horrible sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
If he left DT to join Avenged Sevenfold... I don't know... it just doesn't make sense.
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This really does not compute. Where is the origin of this?
MP's facebook
And twitter, and MP.com
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I am in complete shock. I'm either going to wake up from this horrible dream, or Mike will update in thirty minutes explaining that someone hacked his accounts.
I'd like to hope this is true
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WHAT THE FUCK
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I am blown away. Absolutely stunned. There are no words.
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If he becomes full time drummer for A7X, I won't even be able to contain the rage.
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This really does not compute. Where is the origin of this?
MP's facebook
And Twitter.
I tweeted my sadness at him. I hope he does something more than the odd Transatlantic release/ join A7X as his talents are wasted in something with such rare/uncreative releases
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I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.
Pros:
- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing
This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
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If he becomes full time drummer for A7X, I won't even be able to contain the rage.
THIS
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Really, really shocking.
At the same time, I'm almost more excited now to see both who will replace him (assuming he's correct about the rest of the band continuing on), and to see what direction they'll go in considering how incredibly influential he was in the band. I hate to say it, but I'm almost more excited at the prospect of their next album after hearing this news, as well as the idea of more Transatlantic and such.
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maybe the old Opeth drummer will join them
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I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.
Pros:
- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing
This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
Everything you said is completely true, but fuck I'm still so sad about this.
And who gives a shit if he joins A7X full time? It's probably a good fit.
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If this is true, I comend the other four for deciding to carry on. It's gonna be big shoes to fill, but I myself see no reason why they shouldn't carry on, you have four members that have been together for over ten years, so there's no problem.
Hopefully with MP gone, we'll see some fresh sounds with input from all members, it might be a good thing.
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If he becomes full time drummer for A7X, I won't even be able to contain the rage.
This is exactly what I hopes he does. I don't like A7X nearly as much as I like DT, but if he doesn't have the passion for DT anymore and is enjoying himself in A7X (and doing a damn good job, too), why not stay there? If the fans don't understand, then screw them.
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Yeah, actually the more I think of it, it might work well for Dream Theater. But I just can't imagine DT without Portnoy. I mean, he WAS their stage presence.
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I'm whit sigz i would like to hear DT whitout MP, but DAMN A7X really A7X?
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He's saying he hopes the other guys carry on without him? And yet he's putting up statuses like "This is a sad, sad day....I'm afraid I have some bad news....
MP/DT Sept 1985 - Sept 2010"
I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.
Pros:
- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing
This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
You're kind of the strong/objetive guy in here...maybe you're right, maybe they will benefit, or maybe they won't. Who knows? The thing is, it's very hard to imagine Dream Theater without one of its core fundations...
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WTF!? :sadpanda:
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well this sucks. I really wonder who they're going to get to replace him, who CAN replace him?
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I just saw this on facebook,
I thought oh, thats bullshit, someone must have hacked his account.
Then it's on his forum.
Shit man.
Shit.
Although, I'm not as surprised as I thought I might have been.
Also, since he says the rest of band want to carry on, I'm very interested to see what their music sounds like, minus the creative force that MP was, and just how it shakes up the band, also curious will be whether they release it under the name Dream Theater.
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Hopefully Labrie and Myung will get some more input now, I think the next DT will be very diverse and fresh, looking foward to it.
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Why am I getting this unsteady feeling MP's becoming A7X's permanent drummer?
It's like this horrible sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
My feelings exactly. Holy crap...
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Imagine Gavin Harrison on the next DT studio album.
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fuck i'm still tear. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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The more I think about this, the more excited I'm getting. And as long as Portnoy and the other members are happy, I see no reason to feel otherwise.
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I think it will still be Dream Theater. Portnoy will want it to continue on for his father's legacy
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WOW! This is a sad day indeed. I feel like a friend died or something
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I'm sorry, But I am glad I have this forum to rage on. People on MPs forum are all positive and saying good job following your heart.
However, I am somewhat excited for the future if DT continues. Who knows what could happen
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well this sucks. I really wonder who they're going to get to replace him, who CAN replace him?
Thomas Lang
many others.
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WOW! This is a sad day indeed. I feel like a friend died or something
This exactly
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Holy shit! I don't really listen to Dream Theater, but this is something I never imagined happening.
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The more I think about this, the more excited I'm getting. And as long as Portnoy and the other members are happy, I see no reason to feel otherwise.
YOU ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE GROWN WEARY OF DT'S MUSIC. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN FELT THE NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO. TRAITOR!
jk :heart
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I am sad that MP has left a band that he is hugely involved with, be it for sentimental reasons, loyalty, friendship, and so on. However, (if these sentiments aren't 'too soon') I think this might be the beginning of a new era of DT. After all of these years with the same formula, it may be time for the rest of the members to come up with something new. For however long the remaining line-up stays with us, they can continue to think up new and exciting things for DT. Just think- MP is the co-producer (of albums) and director (of live DVDs) in the studio, while he also sees over his forum (which is largely DT-based), tour details, and so-on on the road- all of these aspects could be wildly different with some new people joining the team.
So all in all, I think it's a great loss and we won't forget it - the proverbial door has been shut. But- the window has been opened for DT!
Oh and Bacong, YES.
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If he becomes full time drummer for A7X, I won't even be able to contain the rage.
I will rage with the force of 1000 burning suns
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I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.
Pros:
- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing
This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
Pretty much this. But still, holy fucking shit.
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I really don't see why him drumming for A7X is a big deal.
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Portnoy used divine intervention
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he'll be back
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This pretty much has me weeping.
NP: Dream Theater - "A Change of Seasons"
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Portnoy used divine intervention
:rollin
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Even if this leads to them putting out albums I enjoy more than I have in the past (which I seriously doubt), it's like Maiden without Harris, it just doesn't seem right.
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I really don't see why him drumming for A7X is a big deal.
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I really don't see why him drumming for A7X is a big deal.
I think it's mainly how he constantly said it's not permanent... DT is his baby, but this happens.
I am coming to terms with it now. You guys have me excited for the future
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Although nothing has crossed the line yet I want everyone to understand there will be NO bashing of MP over this, and he will be respected as any past member has been on this forum as per the rules.
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This is one of the most unlikley things I could imagine, I can't believe it. :-[
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epic statistics!!
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I will never bash MP, but I just wish there had been a little bit of a lead-up or whatever, not a "I'm out, later".
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I'll be really interested to hear the rest of the band members comment on this.
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Yeah, I'm feeling a bit more easy right now...but still, I feel like breaking up with my girlfriend I've been together with all my life. Maybe I met a lot of interesting girls thanks to her, maybe I had some fun with some of them, but that one girlfriend was always there when you needed to come back for anything. That's probably how I feel right now about this...
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My comparison is horrible, I would never do such a thing. This is really starting to get on my nerves :lol
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It just won't seem like "Dream Theater" without him.
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Why do I get the feeling that DT won't find anyone that fits, or they'll try and it won't work, then will split up.
The most likely thing I can see happening is getting harrison or something in for studio, no idea about live.
Fuck i'm still crying 30 minutes later.
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I'll be really interested to hear the rest of the band members comment on this.
Yeah, I can't wait to hear what JP says about this. (It pretty much goes without saying he'll be the figurehead of the band now, even if he doesn't end up being the leader.)
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Wow, and it's my birthday too.
But it's not like he's dying. And I'm 500% certain he'll have some sort of involvement with DT somewhere down the road.
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I don't want to see them get somebody temporarily for the studio and then go out live with someone else. Find your guy, believe in him and stick to it.
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MAX PORTNOY FOR DT DRUMMER!
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Hopefully this brings about a new DT album quicker, just so we can begin to judge then.
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Dream Theater's next album will be 3 discs of the best post rock of all time
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I have a hard time seeing Gavin Harrison joining.
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Hey, didn't LaBrie used to play drums?
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I'm still impressed that they've decided to carry on, I didn't expext that at all.
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I have a hard time seeing Gavin Harrison joining.
I can say quite confidently that won't be happening, makes absolutely no sense.
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I'm at baby class right now so I can't comment further than I am right now. But I am totally caught off guard but not completely surprised. I'll comment later.
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I'll be really interested to hear the rest of the band members comment on this.
Yeah, I can't wait to hear what JP says about this. (It pretty much goes without saying he'll be the figurehead of the band now, even if he doesn't end up being the leader.)
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing...
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I don't want to see them get somebody temporarily for the studio and then go out live with someone else. Find your guy, believe in him and stick to it.
Yep this... or don't tour, that had already been discussed anyway.
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well this sucks. I really wonder who they're going to get to replace him, who CAN replace him?
NDV. Too bad he already has two full plates.
Hell, Spock's Beard has 4 post Neal albums. It may work...
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"It's okay, the can just replace Portnoy with Joey Jordison. It'll sound the same."
My friend has been waiting for the perfect opportunity to troll me so hard that my eyes bleed in the process. Troll successful.
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I really don't care for Mike right now but if he turns out to be A7X's permanent drummer...wow. I can't even think.
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Hey, didn't LaBrie used to play drums?
He can pull a reverse Phil Collins.
I have a hard time seeing Gavin Harrison joining.
I can say quite confidently that won't be happening, makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of who would be a fit, but I'm kinda drawing a blank. It totally depends on what direction they end up going though.
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"It's okay, the can just replace Portnoy with Joey Jordison. It'll sound the same."
My friend has been waiting for the perfect opportunity to troll me so hard that my eyes bleed in the process. Troll successful.
I love Jordison, but that's absolutely hilarious.
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well this sucks. I really wonder who they're going to get to replace him, who CAN replace him?
Thomas Lang
many others.
Thomas Lang is fucking amazing!!!
Virgil Donati could do it also.
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This post will probably be forgotten in an hour, given the amount of expected responses, but here we go.
First, good luck to MP. You have to follow your heart, and if this was the only way you thought you could preserve your friendships in the band, then you did the right thing.
Second, if the band wasn't willing to go on an extended hiatus, then I hope fans understand that time is money. Bands can NOT be off the road for a significant amount of time, even bands like DT. There are mortgages to pay, kids to eventually put through school, etc. So for MP to expect the guys to go on a long hiatus is really ridiculous. DT makes nothing on album sales. They make money on the road, and through merch. Plain and simple. A long time off the road means less and less income.
Third, that said, it is really, really weird to think of DT going on without Mike Portnoy, but it will, and it will be successful. MP is a great drummer. one of the best. But every single great drummer in heavy metal will want to sit on his drum stool for this gig, and since Mike didn't write any of the music of the songs (mostly a John/Jordan role), just lyrics, I really don't think DT is going to miss Mike in regard to the creation of the music.
Life will go on. Had DT lost Petrucci, the band would be fundamentally altered since he is the core music writer in the band (akin to when Queensryche lost DeGarmo). But the loss of MP can be overcome. It will just take people getting used to the idea.
Anyway, here's hoping A7X gave Mike their drum spot permanently, because it will be a well paying gig, which is something MP will need now that the income from DT touring will not be there.
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Hopefully this doesn't start a whole downfall of DT members leaving.
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A lot of drummers may replace him technically, that's not such a hard thing to figure out. However, not a lot of drummers can replace a man who spent 25 hours in a day doing things for Dream Theater's well-being.
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Moar prog rock naow plllx
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How does something like this happen? It defies the laws of physics.
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Surprised JR hasn't weighed in on Twitter yet.
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I hope Portnoy does one last tour with them. I'm gonna cry if I don't get to see DT without Mike performing in it.
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I'm calling it. They are going to fizzle, burn, and die.
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Does this mean J Myung can start writing lyrics again? :hat
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There aren't many drummers who could live up to Portnoy's skills, and all the fans expectations.
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WHAT?!?!?!?!
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There aren't many drummers who could live up to Portnoy's skills, and all the fans expectations.
This.
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He at least has to do a live recording of the 12 Steps at a "farewell" concert with DT.
At least, I hope.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXK9oTOPGWc
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Wow, I really don't know what to say at this point. I'm definitely going to treasure my Score DVD more now and the memories of going to that concert.
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Surprised JR hasn't weighed in on Twitter yet.
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The 130 guests should sign the fuck up!!
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He at least has to do a live recording of the 12 Steps at a "farewell" concert with DT.
At least, I hope.
probably not a farewell concert, but a one-off a couple years down the road.
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There aren't many drummers who could live up to Portnoy's skills, and all the fans expectations.
This.
This.
Definately gonna be the biggest hurdle for a new guy.
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the bands posts.
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I think it's really sad that MP won't play his 12 Steps Suite live or do one last cover album
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I'd like to see particularly what JP has to say about this, considering he's one of MP's best friends.
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EPIC THREAD!!
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I feel really bad now knowing that the only time I saw them live was a 6-song set during the Iron Maiden tour. :-\
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I'm really at a loss for words here, as are others at the moment. It's ironic, I suppose, that I just attended the Avenged Sevenfold concert in support of Mike Portnoy. The concert itself was bittersweet, as I'm not a huge fan of the band but the crowd was insane compared to a Dream Theater show. I always though Mike deserved that. Maybe he'll get it now.
On the flip side, I'm super pissed, and now I'm going to have a few drinks.
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Well, it seems like the band wanted to continue faster than MP wanted too.
Oh well.
I'm really pissed.
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I cannot even fathom the band without MP!
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in other news:
NIGHTMARE CINEMA HAS TO FIND A NEW BASSIST
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:lol
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I wonder if they are gonna do one last show with him, they could play every album one after the other.
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I feel really bad now knowing that the only time I saw them live was a 6-song set during the Iron Maiden tour. :-\
Me too :( And he promised Arizona would get a headlining tour since it wasn't on the BCSL tour, but now we wont get one with MP
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I am proud to say that I saw the LAST show with Mike Portnoy in North America... Wow.
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I could have saw them in Saskatoon with Iron Maiden, but I wanted to hold off and get an Evening With show.
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I knew there was a reason I got out of bed again at 3 am. Everything I feel has already been said (mainly by PLM, and Antigoon). I feel I've read through all the stages of grief in this topic, heh.
Good luck to Mike and the band, it'll be interesting to see what happens next..
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That's a fucking shock. Well, I'm glad I managed to see them live before he went. Will feel very very strange if DT continues without him, and from the sounds of his statement that is what they are doing.
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I think it's really sad that MP won't play his 12 Steps Suite live or do one last cover album
This.
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You know, my first thought was that he'll never get to perform the 12 Step Saga live. It's a real shame. :sadpanda:
And I don't get why some people have a problem with Mike possibly joining A7X full time. If that's where he feels his heart is, by all means he should do it. And I think it was Bacong who said it could be a good thing for DT as well, I agree. Doesn't change how shocking and paralyzing this stings. It's like picturing Maiden without Steve Harris, he's the driving force/representative of the band, one of the founders. It'll take a while to adjust.
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PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
EXPERTS BAFFLED
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I only have two things to say:
1. I was mad until I read the official statement. As much as this hurts and as much as this shit sucks, he provides a very clear and good reason for leaving. He's honest and real, just like he's always been. We should respect him for not "leaving for personal reasons" or providing the fanbase with some unclear and vague bullshit like that. At least he spells out his reason for leaving, and does it with class. Which is a hell of a lot more than other members of other bands have done in the past. He needs our support right now, and so do the rest of the guys in DT. The best thing to do here is try to put our emotions aside for a while and show that we're there for both MP and the rest of the band.
That being said,
2. Someone on Blabbermouth said they wouldn't be surprised if, in a year or two, we log on to see the headline "Mike Portnoy rejoins Dream Theater." Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but...that wouldn't surprise me.
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I am proud to say that I saw the LAST show with Mike Portnoy in North America... Wow.
I was there too.
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*Slowly nods head in agreeance*
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PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
EXPERTS BAFFLED
I can't even laugh at that
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PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
EXPERTS BAFFLED
I can't even laugh at that
A quick smirk from me, then back to the light crying.
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PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
EXPERTS BAFFLED
I can't even laugh at that
I cannot even fathom this has happened.
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I just thought of the Aerosmith spotlight grab when they pretended to be quitting, only to return to more fanfare. If Dream Theater is doing this, which I firmly believe they are not, I will lose a lot of respect for them.
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PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
EXPERTS BAFFLED
I can't even laugh at that
I LOL'D but then I :sadpanda:
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It doesn't make sense, this tragic ending...
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It's kind of sad to think the last show they did as the 5 DT combo we all came to love was a 5 song set in Japan...
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Oh no...
If I could cry, I'd be drowning in my own tears right now.
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I'm having some comfort food right now.
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It doesn't make any sense, this tragic ending...
FTFY
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Guys it's obvious he left to focus on the new OSI album fully.
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Mirko Minnemann please, or Gavin Harrison. Shit news though.
I really don't know what DT will sound like without him, I've got a bad feeling about it.
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If I smoked, I would be chainsmoking the shit out of 5 packets walking down bondai beach (to steal Sigz idea). Good thing I don't smoke I guess =/
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To be honest I'd much rather that the guys call it a day rather than carry on without MP. It may be a good thing for the band's creativity in the future possibly but just the idea of DT minus MP doesn't really sit right. He is integral to the band IMO.
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I can't deal with this at all.
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:'(
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This is a very sad day...but hopefully he will be back eventually.
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:'(
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I feel pissed at the band, because if Mike was telling the truth in his letter, then the band pretty much said "we want to proceed, with or without you, and we want to do it now."
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If Dream Theater goes under, DTF must become a tribute site, so we never have to quit this place :heart
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I love Mike and all he's done for the band, but I honestly think the band might be better without him, as I haven't liked their recent output very much.
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If Dream Theater goes under, DTF must become a tribute site, so we never have to quit this place :heart
Don't talk like that. :sadpanda:
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JESUS ON ICE!
The setlists!
The Ytse Jam bootlegs!
The arrangements!
That said... I'm kind of excited. Overjoyed that they're continuing. But fuck!
I... can't say anything coherent! Words fail me. Just... sentence fragments! And exclamation marks! Lots of them!!
...He was always the most dedicated one!
...Who's gonna replace him!?
...Is it just John Petrucci's thing now? JP and JR would be good band leaders!
...
Jesus.
(This inarticulate SHAMBLES of a post brought to you by robwebster. You can cancel my appreciation thread now.)
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I leave the board for 2 hours and this is what I come back to. I'm heartbroken.
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I feel pissed at the band, because if Mike was telling the truth in his letter, then the band pretty much said "we want to proceed, with or without you, and we want to do it now."
So because the band doesn't want to stop what they love because one member wants to go play with 3 other bands they are jerks?
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or Gavin Harrison.
HELL no. His style is not suited to Dream Theater, and we don't want Porcupine Tree to get screwed over.
I personally think it's a bit too early to already be talking about his replacement, even though the speculation is perfectly natural.
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If Dream Theater goes under, DTF must become a tribute site, so we never have to quit this place :heart
Don't talk like that. :sadpanda:
DTF will never die, I mean I bet this is the most traffic the DT-side has gotten since the release of BC&SL.
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The liquor store is closed...damn, I really could use a stiff drink or ten.
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To be honest I'd much rather that the guys call it a day rather than carry on without MP. It may be a good thing for the band's creativity in the future possibly but just the idea of DT minus MP doesn't really sit right. He is integral to the band IMO.
This isn't Petrucci leaving.
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I actually started crying a little
The healing process can begin :(
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JMX better write lyrics for the new album.
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For those likening this to Kevin Moore's departure, get a hold of yourselves. This is nothing like that. Kevin Moore left for entirely different reasons at a crucial point for the band (right before a big tour).
Mike Portnoy /=/ Kevin Moore.
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JMX better write everything for the next album.
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The liquor store is closed...damn, I really could use a stiff drink or ten.
If I wasn't on call I think I'd have a few for the occasion.
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or Gavin Harrison.
HELL no. His style is not suited to Dream Theater, and we don't want Porcupine Tree to get screwed over.
I personally think it's a bit too early to already be talking about his replacement, even though the speculation is perfectly natural.
Um, GH's style is EVERYTHING. Even if he did somehow change the band, I can only see them getting groovier. Which I want.
Great loss, great loss...
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I can still barely think straight...
there is no doubt that DT will continue on (yay!)
there is no doubt they will find an amazing drummer (yay!)
there is no doubt they will continue putting good music together (yay!)
but no MP ( :sadpanda:)
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This is the part that makes me go "Whoa"
(https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oep4mRpmrkQ&feature=related
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My brain would break if he formed a project with Dominici, Moore, and Collins.
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I come back to THIS!?! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
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My brain would break if he formed a project with Dominici, Moore, and Collins.
A barbershop singing group?
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Honestly this sucks because MP took care of the DVDs, Ytsejam Bootlegs, etc., but I am very excited about the upcoming DT album now. Not a big fan of MP's recent output.
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This is the part that makes me go "Whoa"
https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg (https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg)
Yeah, I remember checking it and feeling the same way.
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I personally think it's a bit too early to already be talking about his replacement, even though the speculation is perfectly natural.
He didn't die; he left the band. It's perfectly fine to talk about his replacement.
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This is the part that makes me go "Whoa"
https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg (https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg)
Yeah, I remember checking it and feeling the same way.
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This is the part that makes me go "Whoa"
https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg (https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg)
Yeah, I remember checking it and feeling the same way.
That just makes me feel even crappier :-\
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This news totally ruined my day. My stomach honestly turned over when I read the title. It's so out of the blue and unexpected. I guess it is safe to that we will never see the twelve step suite in full.
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I'm sooooo sad! Is there any chance this can be a prank?
I mean, we are hundreds of members, one of us gotta find out!
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This is unreal. I love you all.
DT will carry on and I'm excited for the results. Here's to the next chapter.
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This news totally ruined my day. My stomach honestly turned over when I read the title. It's so out of the blue and unexpected. I guess it is safe to that we will never see the twelve step suite in full.
I wouldn't say that quite yet.
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I'm wallowing now.... listening to Pink Floyd's The Final Cut. :'( :'( :'(
But I predict MP to be back with Dream Theater is some shape, fashion or form. Whether it's 2 years from now....or 6, I just feel like it's inevitable.
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I can't even come to terms with how much this sucks.
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I'm disappointed. Not at MP's departure but if what he says is true (and there's no reason not to be) I am shocked that it's the other guys who didn't want to take a year or two off. You know my opinion on recent DT, I've been advocating for them to take a break since Train of Thought (which is an album I really really like) and I thought MP was going to be the last to want to take some time off. It's bad the other guys wouldn't give him the time he needs to recharge. Maybe there is a lot more to this than we'll ever know. I also feel a bit sad too, say what you want about MP (and I've said a lot), he was a dedicated guy and I don't think DT would have made it without him and his commitment.
Despite all that, though, I'm a bit excited for the direction DT is going to go now. Many people, me included, have blamed MP for bringing the band in the wrong direction for the last 3 albums (or even more for some) and this album that they will make without him will really be a deciding factor in all the arguments we've had about the music they make.
Still, this feels so surreal, I can't really comprehend it yet. It's probably a joke of some kind, right? Time will tell. I wish MP and DT all the best and hopefully they will continue to make their fans happy.
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I'm disappointed. Not at MP's departure but if what he says is true (and there's no reason not to be) I am shocked that it's the other guys who didn't want to take a year or two off. You know my opinion on recent DT, I've been advocating for them to take a break since Train of Thought (which is an album I really really like) and I thought MP was going to be the last to want to take some time off. It's bad the other guys wouldn't give him the time he needs to recharge. Maybe there is a lot more to this than we'll ever know. I also feel a bit sad too, say what you want about MP (and I've said a lot), he was a dedicated guy and I don't think DT would have made it without him and his commitment.
It's their job. They have families to support. And they're not exactly mainstream.
A year off is a year of eating cold beans out of the tin.
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But I predict MP to be back with Dream Theater is some shape, fashion or form. Whether it's 2 years from now....or 6, I just feel like it's inevitable.
Welcome to the many steps of grieving. Right now you are currently in denial.
And so am I :sadpanda:
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I'm torn on this. I practically grew up listening to this band, I've been a fan for almost as many years as I've been alive. Seeing MP leave, even if it isn't technically the end of the band, is pretty crazy. But they're all doing what they want to do; MP needs a break and I can respect that, the other guys don't want to stop and I can respect that too. It's hard to be too upset over it, as far as MP's post says there's no bad blood between them or anything. It's a few musicians and adults mutually agreeing to split ways. I'm still excited to see what studio outpout we end up seeing from them.
To be honest, the main thing I'm concerned about is how the fans will accept whoever replaces Portnoy. We just had a thread about A7X fans throwing fits at MP for replacing that band's drummer, it would be a tragedy (and, admittedly, deliciously ironic) if the same happend with DT.
So good luck to all of them. All any of the members of the band have done is give me great music I'll enjoy for, hopefully, the rest of my life. If this is what they want then, for what it's worth (practically nothing), they've got my best wishes.
Now for the plus side; maybe this means Kevin Moore will rejoin the band since it was obviously MP that drove him away, the scumbag.
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I began crying. I'm weeping like a baby now. This is very hard to swallow :'( :'(
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I personally think it's a bit too early to already be talking about his replacement, even though the speculation is perfectly natural.
He didn't die; he left the band. It's perfectly fine to talk about his replacement.
As sad as I am, I also think its fine to talk about his replacement.
I just want word from the rest of the band, cause the next fucking thing is "Headline: Dream Theater DISBANDS!"
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But I predict MP to be back with Dream Theater is some shape, fashion or form. Whether it's 2 years from now....or 6, I just feel like it's inevitable.
Welcome to the many steps of grieving. Right now you are currently in denial.
And so am I :sadpanda:
I'm in the one where the giraffe is swearing like a motherfucking sailor.
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But I predict MP to be back with Dream Theater is some shape, fashion or form. Whether it's 2 years from now....or 6, I just feel like it's inevitable.
Welcome to the many steps of grieving. Right now you are currently in denial.
And so am I :sadpanda:
I'm in the one where the giraffe is swearing like a motherfucking sailor.
:lol
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Not to troll at all, but I am pretty interested in where this will go. I think this may be a good thing for DT. I didn't like BCSL that much.
Oh and I love how shitstorm it is in here.
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The thought of seeing DT live without MP just doesn't work. I'm sorry but I now have no desire to see them again, it would just be far too weird.
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I'm tearing up.
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:chill
I am quite interested in seeing the band's responses.
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I can't stop listening to the Score version of TSCO. This is way too sad.
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Not to troll at all, but I am pretty interested in where this will go. I think this may be a good thing for DT. I didn't like BCSL that much.
Oh and I love how shitstorm it is in here.
DTF's biggest shitstorm to date.
:sadpanda:
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Well, okay, let's just do this:
- At least at the moment, while I'm not sure I 100% agree with it, I respect why MP left. While Samsara is right about the need to keep touring, I would have enjoyed them waiting longer to produce an album as well. This is kind of ironic actually, I think everyone just assumed that MP was the one who really liked the album-tour cycle and kept it going, and now he's leaving because it needed to be satiated. Also, there is a zero percent chance MP left Dream Theater unless he really did think about it. His letter to the fans was classy, honest, and emotionally genuine. It sounds kinda weird, but if LeBron had broken the news he was leaving Cleveland like MP broke the news he was leaving DT, people would feel a lot better about him.
And for what it's worth, if I thought MP was screwing the fans or Dream Theater I'd just say it. I don't like this on a number of levels, and there's a lot of internal politics going on here that we inevitably don't know about, but I really just don't have it in me to feel any anger toward MP. Like I just said, zero percent chance he would leave Dream Theater for a frivolous reason. He feels incomprehensibly sadder than we do about this, guaranteed.
- I personally wouldn't like it if MP joined Avenged Sevenfold, but it's none of our business what full-time project he joins next or if he decides to be a drumming nomad. Why anyone would be pissed off about him joining AX7 is beyond me. Although I think they write some good music so I'm biased that way.
- During DT's last tour they opened for Maiden and played at Madison Square Garden. From a live standpoint, I don't think there were many more barriers for MP to cross.
- I may or may not have commented on this in some other thread speculatively, but I guess now that MP's actually left the band I actually had to ask myself "what should DT do now?" And I almost instantly had a definitive answer: Bring in a new full-time drummer and continue.
Something that's hugely important but no one's really acknowledging is that JP has risen up to be the leader of DT now. Musically speaking, I hate to say I'm excited to hear DT without MP, but JP has the swagger, craftsmanship, and creativity to bring the band back together and write potentially great music. Maybe we'll even end up preferring how JP arranges DT songs on his own. Not something that I feel happy about typing but in a year who knows.
What really worries me is how much of DT was run on MP's force of personality. Official bootlegs, rotating setlists, personal updates from him about the band, the fact he did most of the interviews... What happens to all that? Obviously the band is motivated to continue making albums and touring, but I have this weird feeling it might have less of a personal feeling to it.
Which I guess is really the sad part. I've bitched and moaned about many things MP has said and done here (although hopefully complimented on just as much or more). And then for a lot of reasons I decided that complaining about things on internet forums is lame (except for Football), and that between the official bootlegs and the drum DVD's and the rotating sets he really does more for his fans than any member of any band. Losing all that in my mind sucks, but it's emotionally measurable. I'll live.
But the fact DT had an active personality at work in the first place is something unique that we took for granted. Whether you like or not how Portnoy become synonymous with DT, it meant there was something to the band beyond interviews and liner notes. Love or hate MP's vocals on ANTR, he responded to the criticism, and essentially it was getting a personal response from the band. The rotating setlists weren't just Mike Portnoy doing something cool for the fans, it by extension became part of the personality of the band as a whole.
And I don't know how DT's gonna do that now. MP leaving the band is like losing a family member because DT might be about to become something very cold and distant.
Stop and really think about it. Every other member of DT is a pretty quiet and reserved guy. Will it ever really be the same?
I was hoping that I could be more positive. Sorry.
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I wonder if the band will play songs from the 12 step suite live now, seeing as they are so personal to MP. Or songs like ACoS and TBoT (which I think they haven't played live yet anyways).
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This will be JMX's response.
............*picks up bass*
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Most Online Today: 628. Most Online Ever: 628 (Today at 08:43:00 PM)
There weren't even HALF that many when the last album was released...
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Well, okay, let's just do this:
- At least at the moment, while I'm not sure I 100% agree with it, I respect why MP left. While Samsara is right about the need to keep touring, I would have enjoyed them waiting longer to produce an album as well. This is kind of ironic actually, I think everyone just assumed that MP was the one who really liked the album-tour cycle and kept it going, and now he's leaving because it needed to be satiated. Also, there is a zero percent chance MP left Dream Theater unless he really did think about it. His letter to the fans was classy, honest, and emotionally genuine. It sounds kinda weird, but if LeBron had broken the news he was leaving Cleveland like MP broke the news he was leaving DT, people would feel a lot better about him.
And for what it's worth, if I thought MP was screwing the fans or Dream Theater I'd just say it. I don't like this on a number of levels, and there's a lot of internal politics going on here that we inevitably don't know about, but I really just don't have it in me to feel any anger toward MP. Like I just said, zero percent chance he would leave Dream Theater for a frivolous reason. He feels incomprehensibly sadder than we do about this, guaranteed.
- I personally wouldn't like it if MP joined Avenged Sevenfold, but it's none of our business what full-time project he joins next or if he decides to be a drumming nomad. Why anyone would be pissed off about him joining AX7 is beyond me. Although I think they write some good music so I'm biased that way.
- During DT's last tour they opened for Maiden and played at Madison Square Garden. From a live standpoint, I don't think there were many more barriers for MP to cross.
- I may or may not have commented on this in some other thread speculatively, but I guess not that MP's actually left the band I actually had to ask myself "what should DT do now?" And I almost instantly had a definitive answer: Bring in a new full-time drummer and continue.
Something that's hugely important but no one's really acknowledging is that JP has risen up to be the leader of DT now. Musically speaking, I hate to say I'm excited to hear DT without MP, but JP has the swagger, craftsmanship, and creativity to bring the band back together and write potentially great music. Maybe we'll even end up preferring how JP arranges DT songs on his own. Not something that I feel happy about typing but in a year who knows.
What really worries me is how much of DT was run on MP's force of personality. Official bootlegs, rotating setlists, personal updates from him about the band, the fact he did most of the interviews... What happens to all that? Obviously the band is motivated to continue making albums and touring, but I have this weird feeling it might have less of a personal feeling to it.
Which I guess is really the sad part. I've bitched and moaned about many things MP has said and done here (although hopefully complimented on just as much or more). And then for a lot of reasons I decided that complaining about things on internet forums is lame (except for Football), and that between the official bootlegs and the drum DVD's and the rotating sets he really does more for his fans than any member of any band. Losing all that in my mind sucks, but it's emotionally measurable. I'll live.
But the fact DT had an active personality at work in the first place is something unique that we took for granted. Whether you like or not how Portnoy become synonymous with DT, it meant there was something to the band beyond interviews and liner notes. Love or hate MP's vocals on ANTR, he responded to the criticism, and essentially it was getting a personal response from the band. The rotating setlists weren't just Mike Portnoy doing something cool for the fans, it by extension became part of the personality of the band as a whole.
And I don't know how DT's gonna do that now. MP leaving the band is like losing a family member because DT might be about to become something very cold and distant.
I was hoping that would be more positive. Sorry.
interesting
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This will be JMX's response.
............*picks up bass*
I half-heartedly chuckled.
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There are no words.
I just want to hear the band's official statement. Until then, I fear for the future.
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What I had to re-read is that he has been struggling with this for the past year, so obviously, he's been thinking about it longer than anyone else
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WHAT
WHAT
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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out of the blue
:neerusethis:
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I'm disappointed. Not at MP's departure but if what he says is true (and there's no reason not to be) I am shocked that it's the other guys who didn't want to take a year or two off. You know my opinion on recent DT, I've been advocating for them to take a break since Train of Thought (which is an album I really really like) and I thought MP was going to be the last to want to take some time off. It's bad the other guys wouldn't give him the time he needs to recharge. Maybe there is a lot more to this than we'll ever know. I also feel a bit sad too, say what you want about MP (and I've said a lot), he was a dedicated guy and I don't think DT would have made it without him and his commitment.
It's their job. They have families to support. And they're not exactly mainstream.
A year off is a year of eating cold beans out of the tin.
So after 20 years they haven't saved money to spend 1 year without DT income? I find it hard to believe. Not to mention that they all can start their own solo projects or work with other bands/musicians in that time and still get decent income since 90% of their fanbase will buy almost everything they are a part of.
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I legitimately just shed a tear while listening to DT...
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ReaPsTA, I think we are all in shock right now so that's why people are so negative. Let it soak in and maybe when we hear of a replacement it will give us something positive to chew on.
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How are they going to do songs like "A Nightmare to Remember" now? Who's gonna do the RORO?
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How are they going to do songs like "A Nightmare to Remember" now? Who's gonna do the RORO?
John Myung :lol
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did we get any 'mike if you're reading this' n00bs show up yet?
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How are they going to do songs like "A Nightmare to Remember" now? Who's gonna do the RORO?
John Myung will. Trust me. Have you heard the man yodel?
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Mike, if you're reading this. I want you to know you made me cry, and now I can't masturbate. You cockblocked me. from myself.
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did we get any 'mike if you're reading this' n00bs show up yet?
No :lol
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This will be JMX's response.
............*picks up pencil*
I fixed that for you. :)
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My heart is fucking broken.
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in other news:
NIGHTMARE CINEMA HAS TO FIND A NEW BASSIST
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Oh god :lol :rollin :lol
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Twelve Step-Suite: The new Space-Dye Vest.
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My heart is fucking broken.
Twelve Step-Suite: The new Space-Dye Vest.
Both of these.
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I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress) just go through this for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.
P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?
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I'm disappointed. Not at MP's departure but if what he says is true (and there's no reason not to be) I am shocked that it's the other guys who didn't want to take a year or two off. You know my opinion on recent DT, I've been advocating for them to take a break since Train of Thought (which is an album I really really like) and I thought MP was going to be the last to want to take some time off. It's bad the other guys wouldn't give him the time he needs to recharge. Maybe there is a lot more to this than we'll ever know. I also feel a bit sad too, say what you want about MP (and I've said a lot), he was a dedicated guy and I don't think DT would have made it without him and his commitment.
It's their job. They have families to support. And they're not exactly mainstream.
A year off is a year of eating cold beans out of the tin.
So after 20 years they haven't saved money to spend 1 year without DT income? I find it hard to believe. Not to mention that they all can start their own solo projects or work with other bands/musicians in that time and still get decent income since 90% of their fanbase will buy almost everything they are a part of.
They don't want to spend 1 year without DT income.
"You know that recession that's been going on, and how the economy's not at its best at the moment?"
"Yeah?"
"Let's not earn money for a year."
"Brilliant."
Their solo projects definitely don't get 90% of the sales that their actual albums do. Barely a fraction of that. Black Clouds and Silver Linings got to number six in the chart. If 90% of their fanbase bought their solo albums, then every single thing they released would chart. It's just the ming-mong devotees who lap everything up. Myself included.
Meanwhile, even if they DO have savings - which they will - they're not going to want to... A. be running on empty by the time they reconvene, nor B. spend a whole year pennypinching. They're going to have to take drastic cuts in their lifestyle. Sure, they have savings. They also have expenditures.
The band have done no-one a disservice. They have a job that they're fond of. They need to keep the engine going. This isn't an arbitrary decision, they don't kick out a founding member just 'cause they fancy making a new album a little bit. They don't fire one of their oldest friends 'cause they can't be bothered to go without sushi for a year. It's a big decision. It's not something they've done frivolously.
'Specially after the flop that was the BCSL tour. Very few sell-outs, and I think they made a loss in the US? The wheels keep turning 'cause they have to. Not 'cause they're being greedy, or doing anything shocking. It's not "bad that they wouldn't give him time." There definitely is more to it than we'll ever know. This isn't a silly decision that someone makes 'cause they feel like making a couple of extra bob.
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That would be really funny if that was the case, but denial is the first step.
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I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress) just break up for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.
P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?
You clearly didn't read the announcement. No where does it say they broke up.
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I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress) just break up for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.
P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?
*pats arm*
Sit down, sit down.... do you want a cup of coffee? I know, I know...
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step 13: withdrawal.
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I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress) just break up for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.
P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?
You clearly didn't read the announcement. No where does it say they broke up.
Sorry, i changed now. It was subconscious, i just wrote it all at once.
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https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT (https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT)
It's canon, man. It's fucking canon. This shit cannot be happening...
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Very well said Rob.
We may never know the circumstances, we just need to trust it was done with good intentions all around. We may all be heartbroken, but Rob is right in saying that this isn't arbitrary. I'm sure there are reasons the band wanted to continue, some financial, some not, and other reasons for Portnoy's departure that may never be clear.
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in response to bosk's forum post. why would dtf shut down? for all we know from MP's post DT is still alive
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I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress) just go through this for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.
P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?
(https://files.droplr.com.s3.amazonaws.com/files/33855788/1GYB86.1262240846584.gif)
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in response to bosk's forum post. why would dtf shut down? for all we know from MP's post DT is still alive
I think he might have meant in the consequence that DT is no more.
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in response to bosk's forum post. why would dtf shut down? for all we know from MP's post DT is still alive
And it's not like DTF only caters to DT fans. There is so much more to this forum than discussing Dream Theater.
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in response to bosk's forum post. why would dtf shut down? for all we know from MP's post DT is still alive
Even if DT disbanded why does that mean DTF will shut down?
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Twelve Step-Suite: The new Space-Dye Vest.
I believe that would actually be The Best of Times. They've played all of the suite except for The Shattered Fortress, which I would think they'll be far more likely to play than The Best of Times.
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I'm whit sigz i would like to hear DT whitout MP, but DAMN A7X really A7X?
+1
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FUCK! DAMMIT LETTERS! NOW THAT'S JUST ONE MORE REASON TO MAKE ME SAD KNOWING THAT I WON'T HEAR MY FAVOURITE SONG FROM BCSL PLAYED LIVE.
FUCK!
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I just took my anger out on my dog.
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IT WASNT ME BRAH
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I just took my anger out on my dog.
poor dog.
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I just took my anger out on my dog.
Reported.
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I just took my anger out on my dog.
Too bad it wasn't one of your little na'vi dolls.
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Black Clouds and Silver Linings is no longer just "the most recent Dream Theater album". It is now "The last album to feature Mike Portnoy."
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Black Clouds and Silver Linings is no longer just "the most recent Dream Theater album". It is now "The last album to feature Mike Portnoy."
thank-you captain obvious. :lol
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Just stating a fact that'll hit home.
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Too bad it sucked comparatively.
I get Best of Times now though. Didn't even see it coming.
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I get Best of Times now though. Didn't even see it coming.
Please don't tell me you are making a parallel between the songs lyrical content and MP leaving the band. TBoT is about his father's death.
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Just stating a fact that'll hit home.
True that.
If the band keeps going (which I hope they do, even without MP), I'll never look at BC&SL the same again.
:'(
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I get Best of Times now though. Didn't even see it coming.
Please don't tell me you are making a parallel between the songs lyrical content and MP leaving the band. TBoT is about his father's death.
I was thinking the same thing.
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it's also one of the worst songs conceived.
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Just stating a fact that'll hit home.
I see what you did there.
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it's also one of the worst songs conceived.
Seriously, dude?
Seriously?
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Regardless, this whole thing sucks terribly. It's like I just lost my best friend.
Sure, Dream Theater can continue without Portnoy, but honestly, Dream Theater WAS Portnoy. He did everything for the band. Set up tours, wrote songs, produced albums. Like, with Portnoy gone, DT is just a shadow of their former self.
I just cannot comprehend this is happening. They were by favourite band in the world. I was fortunate enough to meet them during their Systematic Chaos tour, and to see every show of theirs consecutively since 2002. Sure, I am not as old as some of the fans on these boards, but Dream Theater to me, was my breakthrough to who I am now. And Dream Theater, in essence, is with Mike Portnoy.
I wish him the best for his ventures, despite my heart being shattered. But I mean, they were like best friends to me. Even though they didn't know it.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/OptionalPlayer/Derek2-1.jpg)
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I feel bad about this. I feel really bad about this. Just let me feel bad about this!
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But I mean, they were like best friends to me. Even though they didn't know it.
Cue lyrics to Limelight
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Just let me breathe.
Fix'd
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I cried a little while listening to ACOS :sadpanda:
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That picture made me tear up.
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I wonder if Mike will be able to sleep tonight. I certainly won't.
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I wonder if Mike will be able to sleep tonight. I certainly won't.
He's probably been sleeping on it for a while...
That picture made me tear up.
^^ That.
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MOVE ON BE BRAVE, DON'T WEEP AT MY GRAVE
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I wonder if Mike will be able to sleep tonight. I certainly won't.
I was just thinking the same thing.
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MOVE ON BE BRAVE, DON'T WEEP AT MY GRAVE
:'( :'( :'(
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I feel bad about this. I feel really bad about this. Just let me feel bad about this!
I chuckl'd.
Also you know what breaks my heart even more? Never seeing them live with MP. Ever. Also he was the leader, the one who got the balls (no pun intended) to get on with the fans and the closest one to us, he was the motherfucker that always was cheering up everyone and jumping around in Jordan's Videos on Youtube, he was the one that made us laugh and the most active member in live shows.
I JUST CANNOT FUCKING ADMIT IT MAN IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE WHOLE BAND ENDED OR SOMEONE OF THE BAND HAD DIED, WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?? ?? ??
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NP: ACOS
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The beginning of TBoT :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
In sad voice: two minutes to psycho. two minute to psycho. two...two..twooooo :'( :'( :'(
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I share with everyone's sadness that we may never see the 12 step suite or TBOT live. I really hope we do get to see them though. TBOT is my favorite song off BC&SL...
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In other news, Portnoy is now a Trending Topic on twitter.
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Mike Portnoy doesn't have to explain himself to me.
Thank you for the YEARS of AMAZING music that I've had the privilege of growing up in....
Thank you!!!
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Don't click this if you don't consider yourself masochist. I do. That's why I'm seeing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOixASyWI4)
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So I hurt your feelings,
Well I'm really sorry
But I don't give a SHIT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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As many others have said its not the end of the world, One thing I learned through my recovery process is "as one door closes, another opens" this is true in all aspects of life. The band has yet to make an official statement about their future, and Mike has already stated that they plan to continue without him, so I tip my hats to the other members to continue with their dream of what DT means to them. Mike had his run and has decided he was satisfied enough in what he accomplished with the band that it was time to step aside and pursue other avenues of expressing his musical goals/dreams.
To Mike I wish you nothing but the success in your future and I thank you for making Dream Theater what it was. To the other band members I wish you continuing success in keeping the Dream theater dream alive.
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Don't click this if you don't consider yourself masochist. I do. That's why I'm seeing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOixASyWI4)
I had a stupid little grin on my face the entire way through.
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Don't click this if you don't consider yourself masochist. I do. That's why I'm seeing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOixASyWI4)
Oh man...
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it's also one of the worst songs conceived.
Come on Zero, that's completely uncalled for right now.
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hahah :sadpanda:
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Kansas went on without Kerry Livgren, Pink Floyd went on without Roger Waters, Spock's Beard went on without Neal Morse etc etc.... but they were never as good again.
This sucks.
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I'm totally watching Score now.
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Kansas went on without Kerry Livgren, Pink Floyd went on without Roger Waters, Spock's Beard went on without Neal Morse etc etc.... but they were never as good again.
This sucks.
Dream Theater went on without Kevin Moore.
Oh wait, wrong analogy. :neverusethis:
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DT will live on. Its' not going to be the same, but it will be DT.
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DREAM THEATER
Press Release
To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with
profound sadness -- regret -- we announce that Mike
Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has
decided to leave Dream Theater. Mike's stature in
the band has meant the world to all of us
professionally, musically, and personally over the
years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major
force within this band.
While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other
ventures and challenges, we can assure you
that Dream Theater will continue to move forward
with the same intensity -- and in the same musical
tradition -- that you have all helped make so
successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Fans and friends: File this episode under "Black
Clouds and Silver Linings."As planned, we begin
recording our newest album in January 2011, and
we'll follow that with a full-on world tour. "The Spirit
Carries On."
All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike
the best on his musical journey. We have had a long
and meaningful career together. It is our true hope
that he finds all he is looking for, and that he
achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be
missed.
I got this from JLB's site.
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This completely blows. I am so sad at this moment I can't find words to express how bummed I am.
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yay.
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step 13: withdrawal.
Thank you. You made me smile :lol
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DREAM THEATER
Press Release
To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with
profound sadness -- regret -- we announce that Mike
Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has
decided to leave Dream Theater. Mike's stature in
the band has meant the world to all of us
professionally, musically, and personally over the
years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major
force within this band.
While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other
ventures and challenges, we can assure you
that Dream Theater will continue to move forward
with the same intensity -- and in the same musical
tradition -- that you have all helped make so
successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Fans and friends: File this episode under "Black
Clouds and Silver Linings."As planned, we begin
recording our newest album in January 2010, and
we'll follow that with a full-on world tour. "The Spirit
Carries On."
All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike
the best on his musical journey. We have had a long
and meaningful career together. It is our true hope
that he finds all he is looking for, and that he
achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be
missed.
I got this from JLB's site.
>January 2010
They are going to go back in time so that MP can still record the drum tracks?
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well, that settles it.
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I'd disagree on two of those three.
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Fixed it
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While it is shocking that MP is leaving, I am definately with him for following his heart. He's enjoying playing with the other projects more than he was with DT, and I have to give him props for following that goal. Of course its going to be hard on the fans of DT, but you have to respect him for doing what he likes. He's worked 24/7 for us and we have so much to appreciate from MP, that it would be near impossible to thank him for all he's done.
With that said, I wonder what DT-MP will sound like :metal
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While it is shocking that MP is leaving, I am definately with him for following his heart. He's enjoying playing with the other projects more than he was with DT, and I have to give him props for following that goal. Of course its going to be hard on the fans of DT, but you have to respect him for doing what he likes. He's worked 24/7 for us and we have so much to appreciate from MP, that it would be near impossible to thank him for all he's done.
With that said, I wonder what DT-MP will sound like :metal
Yeah pretty much this.
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Disappointing. Regardless of what people say about new potential for the next album, etc. I don't think I'll feel the same about DT. It just doesn't feel right. Personally I get attached to bands and their members, I have a lot of respect for bands that keep their core members, and this is just surprising. I mean, I understand why on what Portnoy said, but as a whole, leaving DT just makes it feel like it's over.
In other words, this is the reason why JM was so mum. He's been talking to KevMo the whole time and got MP out so they could rehire him.
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DREAM THEATER
Press Release
To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with
profound sadness -- regret -- we announce that Mike
Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has
decided to leave Dream Theater. Mike's stature in
the band has meant the world to all of us
professionally, musically, and personally over the
years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major
force within this band.
While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other
ventures and challenges, we can assure you
that Dream Theater will continue to move forward
with the same intensity -- and in the same musical
tradition -- that you have all helped make so
successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Fans and friends: File this episode under "Black
Clouds and Silver Linings."As planned, we begin
recording our newest album in January 2010, and
we'll follow that with a full-on world tour. "The Spirit
Carries On."
All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike
the best on his musical journey. We have had a long
and meaningful career together. It is our true hope
that he finds all he is looking for, and that he
achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be
missed.
I got this from JLB's site.
>January 2010
They are going to go back in time so that MP can still record the drum tracks?
LINK?
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On a side related note, the amount of people on the site is shattering DTF records, I'm surprised the place hasn't crashed yet :lol
Jesus shit, I just got ninja'd 4 straight times.
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Disappointing. Regardless of what people say about new potential for the next album, etc. I don't think I'll feel the same about DT. It just doesn't feel right. Personally I get attached to bands and their members, I have a lot of respect for bands that keep their core members, and this is just surprising. I mean, I understand why on what Portnoy said, but as a whole, leaving DT just makes it feel like it's over.
In other words, this is the reason why JM was so mum. He's been talking to KevMo the whole time and got MP out so they could rehire him.
KevMo for new drummer!
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I'm very glad that they're continuing. New DT without Mike is still new DT.
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It feels as though someone I know close has died, well, kind of.
Hopefully DT finds a drummer with amazing talent and creativity, a new member might be a good thing for DT. I just hope they don't split, as this could be the start of something great.
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I can't find a link for it. I just went on JLB's site and there was a press release on the forum, posted by someone. :(
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I'm very glad that they're continuing. New DT without Mike is still new DT.
It's new new DT. Like, not just "Ooh. Here's a new album." It's as new as it gets. That's the most you can change DT without destroying it.
I can't find a link for it. I just went on JLB's site and there was a press release on the forum, posted by someone. :(
Posted by the admin. Rob. (No relation.) In the salient thread.
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Quite correct. I am optimistic. But at the same time...this is one of the biggest musical shocks. Last time I got this sad/shocked about a band was when my dream of a Floyd reunion was shattered with Rick Wright's death.
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The post on JLB's forum was by an administrator, so I trust it.
Also, does anyone think that they already have a new drummer picked out?
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Yeah. Mike was no doubt the leader of the band, but Myung and Petrucci have been there since the beginning. Labrie has been there since the 2nd album, and Rudess has been there for over 10 years now. Mike may have been the most well-known personality of the 5, but there are still 4 very well-established personalities left. It's a big loss, but not enough to say it will no longer be Dream Theater. I'm very happy they're continuing under the Dream Theater name. They deserve to.
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https://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=160722150&blogId=538974215
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Theres a lot of new people signing up
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Theres a lot of new people signing up
This always happens when something big occurs, I've noticed.
inb4 Pull Me Under, Panic Attack and other noob likeness.
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The post on JLB's forum was by an administrator, so I trust it.
Also, does anyone think that they already have a new drummer picked out?
I kind of think they do have someone in mind. We will find out later probably
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mike will be back
im excited for what we get in between
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I'm going to be a hypocrite here because despite what I said earlier (about it being too early to discuss his replacement) I will say that a Blabbermouth commenter mentioned Mark Zonder as a possibility. That would be cool.
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Something I made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DItucPlAlm4
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mike will be back
im excited for what we get in between
Yeah, I mean leaving the band you invested your whole life in just because they want to continue music and you wanted a break? I mean, I don't know how long a break he needs/needed but that's a pretty silly reason. I'm sure he's going to rejoin them eventually. (Sooner than we think)
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I just looked at my BCSL vynil signed by MP. That hurts. I won't be able to listen to DT in a long time.
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Shit man. This sucks. I mean, I am worried about what DT will become. I am excited for the future, but a little scared.
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Sad news, felt like someone hit me in the stomach but here are my thoughts that I'm tossing in this whirlpool of craziness:
I think this is gonna be a good move for DT and MP. I'm not surprised that MP left the band, I felt he always wanted something more, more fame, maybe a different direction with DT, something. I always felt that reading posts and interviews throughout the years he was aiming for something, but never really got it. I think A7X gave a new spark. Whether he becomes their new drummer or not is irrelevant, I don't listen to A7X simply because I'm not a fan but if he is happy, then I'm happy for him as a fan.
As for DT, well there are many drummers out there who can and will replace MP in terms of technical prowess. Few will put as much work keeping the fans satisfied but I feel that could only come from someone who sees that band through since the beginning. I will say this though, I'd much rather have great musical output (I don't think the past 3 albums have been great, good, but not great) than a personal touch. Take OSI for example, we get nothing as fans really besides the music, but the music is stellar.
My best wishes go out to MP and his family, as well as DT. I'm now more excited than ever for DT's new release.
Also, I'd love to see Gavin Harrison be the new drummer, but it's just a fantasy, plus I feel he fits perfectly in PT.
EDIT: I also think he will be back with DT, although I don't think DT should hastily take him back if that is the case.
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If there is one thing about life I have learned and feel comfortable preaching - despite being just 19 years-old - it is that change is not gradual. Some changes are, surely, but the biggest changes are sudden.
For example: Going to college; you are living at home one day, like normal, then you are gone. Or when your wife announces she is pregnant; you are the same as you have ever been one day, like normal, then you are grown-up.
And now there's this. Today Dream Theater was Dream Theater, like normal, and now Portnoy has left.
When Portnoy joined A7X for their tour I said to myself, "I would not be surprised if he left DT". But now that he has left, I am, put simply, shocked.
You see I am unlike most of you in that I don't really listen to DT anymore. I can spend hours trying to articulate why, but the fact is I just got too familiar with them and moved on. They ceased being a band to me and became... I don't know... Something else.
They became something I could always lean on. Something that didn't change from the time I was 14 - when I became a fan - to the present. I could always go to MP's forum and check on what was up in his life. I could always go buy a new Ytse Jam Bootleg. I could always look forward to a new DVD. To a new MP Forum Christmas video. To a new DVD commentary.
In life where change is sudden they were something that did not change. And now they have changed. And I am sad about it. I am not blubbering or crying, and I probably won't lose any sleep about it. But I am sad, for sure.
Funny, I am typing this as "A Change of Seasons" rings. Great song. I hate to say it but I disagree with you guys saying DT will still be DT. They will be DT, but they will not be Dream Theater. Dream Theater was more than music. Dream Theater was closeness, and most of that closeness was through Portnoy. Even if we get that closeness again, it will not be the same.
Musically, I think this is really good for them. But now I have one less thing to lean on, one more memory of the way things were. Tomorrow, I will look back on classic DT fondly. In a year, I might be glad Portnoy left.
But right now, I don't feel like trying to be positive. I feel like being honest, and honestly, I wish this did not happen.
Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May
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I won't be able to listen to DT in a long time.
I know. Me neither. It's sad.
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I wanna see the reaction of our friends in Europe...
Dream Theater has been my favourite band since for seven years now. I cannot believe it. Honestly, this is shocking.
Even so, I know that he will be back. I just know it. One of my first threads here was "Is Mike Portnoy Improving?" and most of the answers were "no". I know that he will be in lots of projects, but if he takes this time to focus on wanting to get better, trying new chops... I dunno.
I wonder if with this new line-up someone will take care of recording everything on his camera... most likely JR?
I SAID "I LOVE YOU" -GOODBYE.
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*waits for official post of DT press release
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So, I was standing in line at Wal*Mart, waiting to check out (which took a total of 25 minutes or more - could've listened to ACOS while I was waiting in line) at the registers when I was checking Facebook on my mobile when I saw a post by MP on my wall... and was then completely saddened. I tried my best to remain calm and hold my composure as I loaded the conveyor belt with my groceries and such.
I read his letter with utter sadness and slight disappointment, but as I thought about it, he has every right. No one, not even the others in the band, have any right to hold him back. I'm happy Mike is willing to leave his baby behind in order to do what's best for him. He's slaved away with, and for, Dream Theater for the last 25 years with barely a break in the last 10, and he definitely does deserve some extended break.
I also understand that the rest of the band does need a source of income that, while MP is being paid to tour with A7X, the others have only been doing studio work (at least JLB, JP and JMX) for albums that won't clear nearly a fraction of the sales that BC&SL or even SC got them with Dream Theater. It was always made apparent their plans were to reconvene in January next year to start their 11th album, but when Mike started touring with A7X and would be doing so through most of the rest of the year, it seemed like the man wouldn't get a month to himself! He's been touring pretty steadily since the spring! He needs time to recharge and spend time with his family.
Upon thinking about it more, it'll be interesting to see how the band handles songs in the live setting in the future, especially since many of the latter DT songs feature MP doing prominent backing vocals. Who would do that AND drum at the same time?
Nick D'Virgilio? I wouldn't mind seeing him join DT, even if just for an album or tour or two. He's known the band for awhile, and toured with them with SB a couple times, so he knows them. He's certainly a VERY capable drummer, and while he doesn't have the ruff-n-gruff vocals that MP does, he could still do backing vocals to some extent. Also being a lead vocalist, there's a chance that he and JLB could do some really cool harmony stuff. He also does a lot of song-writing and I think between him and JP, they could pump out some great tunes in the Awake/FII sense. Nick's pop-sensibilities with the band's current popularity could push them to higher heights than BC&SL did, and be good publicity for Nick (who's been touring with Frost*, Agents Of Mercy and his own band Spock's Beard).
As for Mike... it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that he could get his own band and play his DT songs - imagine a small tour of the Mike Portnoy Band - covering songs he wrote lyrics for, doing the Twelve Step Suite, "The Best Of Times", and maybe "A Change Of Seasons". It would be quite a thrill and I would definitely pay quite a bit to see him play, even if it wasn't with DT.
This also makes me wonder - will DT play any more of Mike's songs? I know they've played songs written by Kevin since he left, but I'm sure things like the Twelve Step Suite, "A Change Of Seasons", possibly "Just Let Me Breath" and "Take The Time" might be taken out of future set lists... it also makes me wonder how the format of the live band will change as a result of touring without Mike - rotating set lists? Covers?
Also, what about the future of YtseJamRecords? That was pretty much MP's baby. Maybe in some of his down time, not touring or recording, he'll go through his amazing basement library archives and find some goodies... or we can hope.
A very sad day... but... we can only be hopeful for the future for both DT and Mike, now that they're no longer one and the same.
Carpe Diem, Mike... Carpe Diem.
-Marc.
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I'm watching The Daily Show right now, and Jon Stewart just held up a book called "Portnoy's Complaint" while arguing about religion. I've never heard of the book, but...what a strange coincidence.
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I'm just going to say it.... I'm happy. I always loved Portnoy's playing, but I really, REALLY never cared for the, "DT must produce their own albums" mentality they started having. Hopefully, they'll start working with a producer again. In fact, didn't Petrucci enjoy working with outside producers? If so, maybe we'll see a return to that side of DT.
Honestly, folks, I really think this is a new beginning of DT rather than a sad conclusion. I think in about .... a year.... after they record a new album and we've all heard it (presumably with a new drummer), you'll all agree with me. Don't be sad about MP leaving, be happy that the band is starting fresh. Quite honestly, I've been hoping for Portnoy to leave.... not saying that in a disrespectful way, but if any of them HAD to go, he's my choice. I'd rather see Portnoy leave waayyyy before JP or LaBrie.
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:rollin
Wait, wrong smiley...
:wahhh:
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But right now, I don't feel like trying to be positive. I feel like being honest, and honestly, I wish this did not happen.
Wow. Almost brought me to tears. :-\
I can't imagine how he can look back at his DT collection and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?'
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I'm watching The Daily Show right now, and Jon Stewart just held up a book called "Portnoy's Complaint" while arguing about religion. I've never heard of the book, but...what a strange coincidence.
Weird.
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Jesus, this must have been announced RIGHT after I left for class.
Cynic though I am, this was completely unexpected. I've been critical of Portnoy, but he's obviously a (arguably THE) central figure in the band, and it's hard for me to even fathom DT without his drumming, personality, and other innumerable contributions.
I'm curious about what led up to this and how the other guys feel about it. It would be interesting to know the whole story.
Damn.
-J
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I'm watching The Daily Show right now, and Jon Stewart just held up a book called "Portnoy's Complaint" while arguing about religion. I've never heard of the book, but...what a strange coincidence.
Weird.
Saw that too, that was really weird.
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I can't be mad at him either.
But I mean, he kind of did this to himself.
He made himself in charge. He didn't let anyone else take over.
He toured with DT, he didn't give himself the time off. He toured with Transatlantic by his own accord. He chose to do the A7X tour. And it's okay for him doing so.
I just don't understand why he didn't give himself a breather if he was getting tired with the band. Everyone else is taking the time off, Labrie aside - why not Portnoy?
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He's only leaving for the Jewish High Holy Days. Then He'll be back. Right? RIGHT??
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I'm just going to say it.... I'm happy. I always loved Portnoy's playing, but I really, REALLY never cared for the, "DT must produce their own albums" mentality they started having. Hopefully, they'll start working with a producer again. In fact, didn't Petrucci enjoy working with outside producers? If so, maybe we'll see a return to that side of DT.
Honestly, folks, I really think this is a new beginning of DT rather than a sad conclusion. I think in about .... a year.... after they record a new album and we've all heard it (presumably with a new drummer), you'll all agree with me. Don't be sad about MP leaving, be happy that the band is starting fresh. Quite honestly, I've been hoping for Portnoy to leave.... not saying that in a disrespectful way, but if any of them HAD to go, he's my choice. I'd rather see Portnoy leave waayyyy before JP or LaBrie.
I'm... I mean, I don't agree with the first paragraph. But I'm finding myself energised by it surprisingly quickly. I think I inherently like change.
But right now, I don't feel like trying to be positive. I feel like being honest, and honestly, I wish this did not happen.
Wow. Almost brought me to tears. :-\
I can't imagine how he can look back at his DT collection and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?'
How can he look back at his own naked torso and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?!' Man's COVERED in DT tattoos.
That said, if that's not where the passion is right now, then I'm glad he left. I think this was the right decision for everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if he returned. I don't know whether that's due to my own disbelief or what. I'm... somewhat glad about the news, though. Something needed changing, and they changed it. They chose the difficult option over the safe option. Quick and painful, rather than a dull ache. I'm energised by the change, a bit. Very optimistic. This doesn't feel like a Spock's Beard crippling loss. John Petrucci has wonderful solo albums, and you'd be hard pressed to find a better keyboardist than Jordan Rudess. I think this could still be brilliant.
More brilliant than a delayed album with an apathetic (exaggerating but STILL!) Mike Portnoy would be.
I'm happy. Genuinely happy. Didn't expect to be happy. Then again, didn't expect the announcement. Don't get me wrong, I'm still stunned. But happy.
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I'm watching The Daily Show right now, and Jon Stewart just held up a book called "Portnoy's Complaint" while arguing about religion. I've never heard of the book, but...what a strange coincidence.
Weird.
Saw that too, that was really weird.
I mean really, what are the odds? :|
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If there is one thing about life I have learned and feel comfortable preaching - despite being just 19 years-old - it is that change is not gradual. Some changes are, surely, but the biggest changes are sudden.
For example: Going to college; you are living at home one day, like normal, then you are gone. Or when your wife announces she is pregnant; you are the same as you have ever been one day, like normal, then you are grown-up.
And now there's this. Today Dream Theater was Dream Theater, like normal, and now Portnoy has left.
When Portnoy joined A7X for their tour I said to myself, "I would not be surprised if he left DT". But now that he has left, I am, put simply, shocked.
You see I am unlike most of you in that I don't really listen to DT anymore. I can spend hours trying to articulate why, but the fact is I just got too familiar with them and moved on. They ceased being a band to me and became... I don't know... Something else.
They became something I could always lean on. Something that didn't change from the time I was 14 - when I became a fan - to the present. I could always go to MP's forum and check on what was up in his life. I could always go buy a new Ytse Jam Bootleg. I could always look forward to a new DVD. To a new MP Forum Christmas video. To a new DVD commentary.
In life where change is sudden they were something that did not change. And now they have changed. And I am sad about it. I am not blubbering or crying, and I probably won't lose any sleep about it. But I am sad, for sure.
Funny, I am typing this as "A Change of Seasons" rings. Great song. I hate to say it but I disagree with you guys saying DT will still be DT. They will be DT, but they will not be Dream Theater. Dream Theater was more than music. Dream Theater was closeness, and most of that closeness was through Portnoy. Even if we get that closeness again, it will not be the same.
Musically, I think this is really good for them. But now I have one less thing to lean on, one more memory of the way things were. Tomorrow, I will look back on classic DT fondly. In a year, I might be glad Portnoy left.
But right now, I don't feel like trying to be positive. I feel like being honest, and honestly, I wish this did not happen.
Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May
Tragic as it may be, I think that this post is going to be buried in the shitstorm.
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Jordan has commented: https://twitter.com/jcrudess (https://twitter.com/jcrudess)
Good to see they are optimistic
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(https://i38.tinypic.com/2afmpue.jpg)
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as will the video I posted..
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Jordan has commented: https://twitter.com/jcrudess (https://twitter.com/jcrudess)
Good to see they are optimistic
I don't like him saying they are "excited" because I know they are not that fully excited.
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Dream Theater Official Press Release:
https://jcrudess.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/dream-theater-press-release/
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*snippity*
Tragical as it may be, I think that this post is going to be buried in the shitstorm.
Yeah, it's rather unfortunate. This might be one of the best posts in the thread.
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Dream Theater Official Press Release:
https://jcrudess.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/dream-theater-press-release/
And that's that folks. It's confirmed 100% true, and we can all move on now.
*continues binge of DT discog*
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Kinda surreal to see this on the Dream Theater wikipedia article...
(https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k86/Jamariquay/Picture8.png?t=1284002504)
EDIT: Also, lol @ "Glasser"
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Holy fuck. :omg:
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Kinda surreal to see this on the Dream Theater wikipedia article...
(https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k86/Jamariquay/Picture8.png?t=1284002504)
EDIT: Also, lol @ "Glasser"
Guess the thread was tl;dr for you? It was posted a couple pages back :lol
Also, just had this thought -
Actually, thinking about it, if Nick did record with DT, it'd be mirroring what he did with Genesis back in 1997. Which is ironic considering what a friend of mine was comparing this to earlier - she said it was like when Phil Collins left Genesis back in the 90's, and then the band went on without him and recorded a rather lackluster album, which featured Nick D'Virgilio on some tracks.
Hopefully this situation doesn't happen with Dream Theater. I would hate to see them flop after such a successful album like Genesis had with We Can't Dance. It's funny, though, because earlier this year Mike compared himself to Phil in such a way that he was working so hard, all the time, with various projects and bands. Guess he did one more thing like Phil as well... :sadpanda:
-Marc.
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maybe it's not within my rightss but i have to know how jm and jp feel about this. they were kids when they started this thing together. i have to imagine they are feeling the same ways about this that we are..."are we really making this decision...is this actually happening?"
i feel like it must be as shocking to them as it is to us that this is how it ends. not a stupid fight, not a huge falling out...just a disagreement and a situation that cant be resolved another way. and so it's over...for now.
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Jordan has commented: https://twitter.com/jcrudess (https://twitter.com/jcrudess)
Good to see they are optimistic
I don't like him saying they are "excited" because I know they are not that fully excited.
Sure they are! This has been in the works for a year. They're not as surprised as we are. They've had time to plan. To think about it. The next chapter's the great unknown! It's KevMo leaving! They'll have mixed feelings, sure. And they'll be upset, sure. But they're definitely allowed to be psyched. I'm sure that's one of the mishmash of weird feelings.
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All I can say is I am relieved that Mike made this statement on September 8th and not the 9th. I could not go on living if my birthday was the anniversary of Portnoy's departure...
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I just found out about this...just.....wow...I can't quite stomach this. This is just weird.
:(
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What the everliving fuck is this hoooorseshiiiiiit?
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All I can say is I am relieved that Mike made this statement on September 8th and not the 9th. I could not go on living if my birthday was the anniversary of Portnoy's departure...
Happy birthday! :sadpanda:
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I'd add that I expect he'll be back at some point, in one way or another. I already hope so, even though I wasn't always a fan of what he did in DT. It's weird; some of TOX's post kind of sums up how I feel about it I guess.
And you've gotta think the chances of getting KevMo to do a live show with them have gone up, at least one iota. :neverusethis:
I'm... I mean, I don't agree with the first paragraph. But I'm finding myself energised by it surprisingly quickly. I think I inherently like change.
Maybe a big change like this is what DT needs. Although this is one of the last ways I'd have ever thought it would manifest itself.
-J
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I remember (I think in the Score Doc) Mike said that if one of the members quit, the band would end. This was the band.
I guess the others didn't feel the same way.
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Well this is totally unexpected, and a bit saddening, but...well, I'm hopeful for the future. I'm excited for what the next album'll sound like. A totally fresh start. I think Portnoy was a little overbearing and holding them back in the form of the routine of the past few albums. But that's just me.
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I've been trying to process this ever since MP made the announcement on Facebook.
He was that last person I thought would leave the band. But at the same time, his reasons for leaving make sense.
I don't know if I'm really contributing to this thread at all, but I just had the urge to post.
I don't know what else to say.
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(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/portnoyquits.jpg)
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I'd add that I expect he'll be back at some point, in one way or another.
I also think this. Not because of the denial, no. It's because he just wanted to take a break. Maybe 5 years will pass, maybe even 10, but he will miss the band and the stuff he did with them. David Ellefson came back to Megadeth 8 years after leaving the band, and even Jason Newsted played with Metallica in the R&R Hall of Fame after nine years. And they both had more personal reasons than Mike (At least as far as we know). So maybe. Maybe...
But I think we somewhat saw it coming. We were speculating about it when he said he was going to be in A7X until November after saying initially that he was just going to be a session drummer. So maybe he just took the step and did it.
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I just read the thread about this on 5/8... I now realize why I don't post there.
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in 10 years they're going to be in their 50s.
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I'll go to bed. Can't wait to wake up at 7 tomoz and check the forum as well as Twitter. Things are happening so fast...
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I'd add that I expect he'll be back at some point, in one way or another.
I also think this. Not because of the denial, no. It's because he just wanted to take a break. Maybe 5 years will pass, maybe even 10, but he will miss the band and the stuff he did with them. David Ellefson came back to Megadeth 8 years after leaving the band, and even Jason Newsted played with Metallica in the R&R Hall of Fame after nine years. And they both had more personal reasons than Mike (At least as far as we know). So maybe. Maybe...
But I think we somewhat saw it coming. We were speculating about it when he said he was going to be in A7X until November after saying initially that he was just going to be a session drummer. So maybe he just took the step and did it.
Precisely. While Mike may be pulling a "Phil Collins" of sorts, he'll probably eventually want to reunite for at VERY LEAST, a tour for an anniversary, or a farewell (it'll happen some day). Maybe we'll get an album out of it... maybe not. But I don't think a tour would be out of the question. It really hinges on what the rest of the band will do between now and the new album and how they decide to handle their future now that it's in the hands of JP, JMX, JR and JLB. Maybe their new drummer's name will start with "J" to complete the alliteration.
-Marc.
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I definitely think MP will want to come back to the band at some point down the road.
I just dunno if the band will take him back at that point.
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I just read the thread about this on 5/8... I now realize why I don't post there.
I couldn't get past the first page.
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What the fuck.
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I just read the thread about this on 5/8... I now realize why I don't post there.
I couldn't get past the first page.
Same. It's pretty disgusting.
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When I first saw everyone's statuses hours ago, I figured it was a joke... :'(
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I am totally bummed by this! and in total shock! However the first thing i thought when i read this was "He'll be back!" The 30th annivesary tour is starting to sound KILLER!
Can someone please explain what 5/8 is?
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The forum created from the ashes of DT.net. The people that wanted to discuss more DT broke off and became DTF.
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Nothing to add. Shock.
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The forum created from the ashes of DT.net. The people that wanted to discuss more DT broke off and became DTF.
Its shit is all you need to know.
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So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:
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How can he look back at his own naked torso and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?!' Man's COVERED in DT tattoos.
This is really fucking with me.
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Wow. Just wow.
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I will never see the "Wither" music video the same way.
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Wow.
So unexpected. So many conflicting emotions.
I've typed, deleted, re-typed, etc, a number of thoughts from all over the spectrum. None of it felt quite right.
This seriously doesn't feel like it's really happening. I don't know when it will actually sink in.
At such a key moment in their career too.
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So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:
Or A Change of Seasons, or The Best of Times. :(
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I called one of my best friends and told him the news, and he honestly didn't believe me. He thought I was pulling his leg. The other end of the line for at least a minute or two was silent after he read it on the site. This is truly, a sad day. I'm honored and ashamed to be able to say I went to the last North American DT show with the core members, but unfortunately it was also my first.
It's a new beginning. A refreshing start, and DT may take their music in places that it wouldn't have with MP. For example, we will definitely see a less metal approach this time around, which is something I think some DT fans have been wanting. I say this to soften the blow, it doesn't mean that it will be the same.
I think I saw this coming, though. Mike commenting on not being a huge fan of Labries style of vocals anymore was a huge indicator to me. I think he's just into heavier stuff now, and wants to play more metal music (i.e. A7x and Hail!). And about him possibly becoming a permanent member of A7X, it's almost like losing a girlfriend that you love and care about, to someone else. You want her to be happy, and you know she will be if that's what she wants, but you can't help it but to feel bitter about it, because you're losing someone special.
It really set in when I saw "Former Members" on the wikipedia page. That hit me hard.
I just hope that this doesn't split the fanbase too much (I've already read posts on facebook and myspace stating "I WONT LISTEN TO DT WITHOUT MP") even though it most likely will. Oh well, wishful thinking I guess.
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I will never see the "Wither" music video the same way.
Hell yeah...and suddenly, Wither acquires a whole different new meaning :-\
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The more i sit here, the more i can't believe!
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So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:
If he decides to get his own touring band and play it, sure. It won't be DT, but if he got musicians capable of playing their stuff, we could likely see a show that features songs with his lyrics, including (but definitely not limited to) The Twelve Step Suite, "The Best Of Times", and "A Change Of Seasons". That right there would be a killer 95 minute set.
It just depends on what Mike wants to do with his now apparent "solo career".
How can he look back at his own naked torso and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?!' Man's COVERED in DT tattoos.
This is really fucking with me.
It's just another part of his life. That tattoos will always remind him fondly of what he helped create. Sure he won't have any iconography or images from the upcoming albums, but he's got what he was a part of and I'm sure he won't look at it with regret.
-Marc.
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So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:
Or A Change of Seasons, or The Best of Times. :(
Oh my god I did not think about The Best Of Times. :'(
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Hey dudes. Haven't been to DTF in a long time but a few of you know me. I just saw Blabbermouth. I'm in shock.
If you'd have asked me, 10 minutes ago, who's least likely to leave, I'd have said MP. I wasn't surprised he wanted a break, I know he's been going for long time without one. But I would have figured on the rest of the band also wanting a break. Weren't they supposed to have one anyway, until Maiden came along?
I hope this works out well for DT and MP. And I hope the separation isn't permanent.
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So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:
Or A Change of Seasons, or The Best of Times. :(
Oh my god I did not think about The Best Of Times. :'(
Actually, because Mike was the only member who ever vouched for those songs, they will probably never play a WDADU song again.
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The forum created from the ashes of DT.net. The people that wanted to discuss more DT broke off and became DTF.
Its shit is all you need to know.
While I'm sure I'd agree with the assessment of their thread it's important now, as in the past that we not attack their forum and stir up shit, so I'd ask that there be no more posts like this.
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How can he look back at his own naked torso and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?!' Man's COVERED in DT tattoos.
This is really fucking with me.
It's just another part of his life. That tattoos will always remind him fondly of what he helped create. Sure he won't have any iconography or images from the upcoming albums, but he's got what he was a part of and I'm sure he won't look at it with regret.
-Marc.
I kind of hope he won't, in some ways. The band have made a brave decision. So has Mike. It'll be a very odd adjustment - imagine Mike Portnoy pre-ordering DT11 and waiting for it to arrive on its release date! - but I'd quite like them to stick with it, and do wonderful, new, exciting things in their separate domains.
That was the past. It was old. And great. What next?!
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This is truly, a sad day. I'm honored and ashamed to be able to say I went to the last North American DT show with the core members, but unfortunately it was also my first.
I was at that show as well. It makes me :(
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I will never see the "Wither" music video the same way.
Hell yeah...and suddenly, Wither acquires a whole different new meaning :-\
Still This barrenness consumes me
And I feel like giving up
So I wither, and render myself helpless
I give in and everything is clear
I break down, and let the story Guide me
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I drown in hesitation, my words come crashing down
And all my best creations burn into the ground
The thought of starting over leaves me paralyzed
Tear it out again, another one that got away
HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS :sadpanda:
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Another nugget!
But a shitty one. :(
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The forum created from the ashes of DT.net. The people that wanted to discuss more DT broke off and became DTF.
Its shit is all you need to know.
While I'm sure I'd agree with the assessment of their thread it's important now, as in the past that we not attack their forum and stir up shit, so I'd ask that there be no more posts like this.
Right, sorry.
Although, the treatment of Portnoy over there right now makes me furious.
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Okay, I'm going to go to sleep, and when I wake up, I will realize that this is all some
sort of dream.
If that is not the case; I suppose it's somewhat fitting that it's jewish new year today. Not only is it a symbol of new beginnings, but also, Mike will have until Yom Kippur to realize his mistakes and
repent.
(Sarcastic post; don't take seriously)
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Oh yeah!!! Fellow jew.
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I'm really glad that I got to see them live last year.
I honestly never would have thought that I wouldn't be able to see them with MP again.
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Well, sonuvabitch.
It's sad to see him leave, but... I'm eager to see how the band will handle this. Hopefully a new voice in the band will help to get the creative juices flowing.
I'm glad that I got to see them when they toured with Iron Maiden, but I'm sad that I now won't be able to see the 'core group' do a headlining show.
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I just realized - I'm really glad Mike finished his Twelve Step Suite before leaving the band. There would've been SO MUCH RAGE had he left before completing it.
That's all I have to add...for now.
And speaking of the suite, I'm going to listen to my mix of it right now...as I finish up listening to "A Change Of Seasons" from LFSNY. *sigh*
-Marc.
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Reading the 5/8 thread.
I wasn't aware that it redirected to the home of anonymous.
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I just realized - I'm really glad Mike finished his Twelve Step Suite before leaving the band. There would've been SO MUCH RAGE had he left before completing it.
That's all I have to add...for now.
And speaking of the suite, I'm going to listen to my mix of it right now...as I finish up listening to "A Change Of Seasons" from LFSNY. *sigh*
-Marc.
Your avatar is beating the shit out of his drums! :omg:
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Edit that post, faemir.
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Reading the 5/8 thread.
I wasn't aware that it redirected to that website that shall go unnamed.
The elitist "herp derp look at those deetee fans who are bawling their eyes out, arent they stupid lol" attitude is so pathetic and reminiscient of *snip!
* there's no wonder you guys hang out here instead, especially when you realise that it's not all cool and hip to be hatin' on dream theater.
So to all the 5/8ers reading this. Grow the fuck up and go listen to some djent or kvlt or whatever tickles the cool crew nowadays.
I'd hate to see you get in trouble dude. You might want to make the above changes to your post.
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The only reason I'm really upset is that I never got to see them in concert. :(
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Just saw this, I'm honestly crying...
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The biggest news of Dream Theater's history.
Users Online: 517 Guests, 138 Users (8 Hidden)
Most Online Today: 827. Most Online Ever: 827 (Today at 09:22:36 PM)
And "Portnoy" is currently trending on Twitter.
Of all the things big Dream Theater news-related things, why the hell is it this?
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Time to listen to Caught In A Web.
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Time to listen to Caught In A Web.
....why?...
Of all the songs...
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Time to listen to everything DT has ever released.
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Time to listen to everything DT has ever released.
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Listening to Disappear.
Why, tell me the reasons why
Try, still I don't understand
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Blabbermouth got the official report:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=145753
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Wow. :sadpanda:
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Reading the 5/8 thread.
I wasn't aware that it redirected to ****
The elitist "herp derp look at those deetee fans who are bawling their eyes out, arent they stupid lol" attitude is so pathetic and reminiscient of *** there's no wonder you guys hang out here instead, especially when you realise that it's not all cool and hip to be hatin' on dream theater.
So to all the 5/8ers reading this. Grow the fuck up and go listen to some djent or kvlt or whatever tickles the cool crew nowadays.
Read my last post and consider this a warning. We do NOT want shots being fired across forums. They may do as they please, and frankly they may attack this place and Dream Theater fans that post here, but that is not what we will do here.
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Maybe edit the unnamed site out of his post as well, eh?
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Thanks.
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The second one is still there, hotshot. :tup
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Edited, though i'd love to know why that's a rule, it smacks of "he who shall not be named" voldemort syndrome. But a rule's a rule.
Reading the next edition of Lifting Shadows will be the worst thing ever.
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Thanks again... this is a moderators nightmare... so many factors, I've been up way too long, reading about this way too much, and I'm about to finally go to bed. BE GOOD DAMMIT. I don't want to have to lay any smack-downs in the morning.
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Put this into the initial post, but I'm going to put it here as well-
A few things to remember-
1. There will be no bashing of Mike Portnoy
2. There will be no bashing of Dream Theater
3. There will be no bashing of certain other forums
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The NEWS ATTENTION at the top of the page, should be changed, don't you think?
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Well...I saw him with them on their last tour, opening for my favourite band, Iron Maiden. That's a good way to go out in my books. There's no saying he'll NEVER come back either, anything can happen. I wish him the best, even though I'm not a fan of A7X
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Thanks again... this is a moderators nightmare... so many factors, I've been up way too long, reading about this way too much, and I'm about to finally go to bed. BE GOOD DAMMIT. I don't want to have to lay any smack-downs in the morning.
i feel ya man : (
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
Okay, I was perfectly fine with Mike leaving before, but now I think I'm gonna start crying.
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
Yeah, his leaving wasn't as ominous in that way as Kevin's was.
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What about the 12 Step on DVD!
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I'm not sure exactly what to think of this myself. I guess it's better that MP leaves than continues with a band that he no longer feels comfortable with, but it's still a shame, especially b/c the band is continuing to grow, both musically and in terms of sales.
As for DT, I can't imagine a parallel situation where a driving force for the band (not the singer) leaves so abruptly. I'm guessing that the closest would be if Lars left Metallica, or if Steve Harris left Iron Maiden. To many, MP was DT. Let's hope that this move transitions the band into a new beginning and does not signal the beginning of the end.
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
:whatthe:
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
:whatthe:
You asshole now I'll have to be reminded of this travesty every time I look at this page.
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
:whatthe:
You asshole now I'll have to be reminded of this travesty every time I look at this page.
You're welcome.
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
:whatthe:
:rollin
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
OK. Now I'm depressed.
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Jordan Rudess on Twitter right now:
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess
"I'll miss Mike because not only is he an incredibly talented drummer and friend, but he's always supportive of me and my sonic adventures!"
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5 years... 8 years. So what? Until the band get a lot older, there is always the chance of a reunion, I mean look at Iron Maiden. Considering that they are what, a good 10-15 years ahead of the DT guys, we can always get a triumphant return a la Brave New World. King Crimson are even further on the radar. My only concern is after DT find a replacement drummer, then Portnoy is all "oh hey guys, reunion?", and then there is an awkward two drummers on stage thing. Though it was fine with Derek... I dunno. I'm still rather shocked from this whole thing :(
edit: Steve Harris left Iron Maiden and they.... oooh. Okay they didn't do so good :(
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Jordan Rudess on Twitter right now:
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess
"I'll miss Mike because not only is he an incredibly talented drummer and friend, but he's always supportive of me and my sonic adventures!"
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Jordan Rudess on Twitter right now:
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess
"I'll miss Mike because not only is he an incredibly talented drummer and friend, but he's always supportive of me and my sonic adventures!"
(https://chaosrexmachinae.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/sonicadventuredc.jpg)
Hahahahahaha. Brilliant. Proper laughed at that.
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I can count the number of times I've been this stunned (and consequently depressed) on one hand. I don't even know how to react right now. I really refuse to believe that he has left DT for good.
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Not to be off-topic, but DAMN that game was awesome.
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
How about "The Best of Times" being the last DT song he ever wrote lyrics for (when looking at the songs in chronological order on the CDs)? That is kind of cool when you think about it. :coolio
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
How about "The Best of Times" being the last DT song he ever wrote lyrics for (when looking at the songs in chronological order on the CDs)? That is kind of cool when you think about it. :coolio
Finished his suite, wrote a tribute to his dad, then left.
That's pretty good by my book.
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Jordan Rudess on Twitter right now:
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess
"I'll miss Mike because not only is he an incredibly talented drummer and friend, but he's always supportive of me and my sonic adventures!"
(https://chaosrexmachinae.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/sonicadventuredc.jpg)
Fuck you, dude. That caught me totally off guard. :lol
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Not to be off-topic, but DAMN that game was awesome.
I agree :metal
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Wow, this really sucks. DT is gonna feel Portnoy's loss big time. Who knows, maybe (hopefully) they'll get back together eventually... no drummer can replace him.
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The tourography better not go anywhere! I need that thing!
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
How about "The Best of Times" being the last DT song he ever wrote lyrics for (when looking at the songs in chronological order on the CDs)? That is kind of cool when you think about it. :cool
I'll always remember, those were the best of times.
Fuck you, dude. That caught me totally off guard. :lol
:heart
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Lots of great posts in this thread by a lot of people.
@Reap', Rob, and DoC: :clap: :uny:
@TOX: great post as well. One of the best things I've read on this forum in ages.
@Bacong: You are within an inch of being banned. Quit trolling, now.
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THIS IS A TERRIBLE DAY FOR ME :[
I am a big DT fan and I always thought Mike was the best. He is a really good looking guy and I loved his smile. I remember when I met him and we hugged I touched his bum a bit and it was so great. I think I had fantasies about it for months!
I remember when someone posted that video of him and his kids on Facebook, I imagined being part of his household and hanging out with him and his kids... his wife was never there. I guess that means something?
Anyway I am very sad about this and I really hope that he reconsiders. I will be watching him whatever he does but leaving DT is a bad decision in my opinion. We will miss you Mike, come back soon!
From John
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I don't know, there's a part of me that is excited for what the new music will bring. A part of me that really longs for the 90s style of DT to possibly come back through this. There really is.
But, there is also a part of me that almost wishes that the band would just stay together and release less-than-stellar material over and over. There is something about the five guys in this band that is almost a balancing nature in my life. "I am OK today because Mike Portnoy is still in the band," you know? Waking up knowing that the band that I grew up on through high school and college isn't together in it's purest form kind of frightens me. How can I get on through the day knowing that I'll never see another Dream Theater show that doesn't contain who was essential the "father" of the band?
All of these things trouble me very deeply. I guess I'll just have to learn, and come to accept the fact that my life may never be stable again..
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I remember when I met him and we hugged I touched his bum a bit and it was so great. I think I had fantasies about it for months!
You'll fit in here just fine.
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Remember the "Wither" video? Suddenly, that almost seems like they all knew he was leaving and that was a tribute to their time together.
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Remember the "Wither" video? Suddenly, that almost seems like they all knew he was leaving and that was a tribute to their time together.
Mike looked so good in that, I've watched that video like 10 times already today!
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Yea, there's no way I'm reading 14 pages. Jackie told me she got some texts about it, we didn't take it seriously, guess we should. I'll tell her when she wakes up.
But since I'm not reading through all of this, is there anything else beyond Portnoy leaving? Any other news I should know about?
Please be serious.
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Yea, there's no way I'm reading 14 pages. Jackie told me she got some texts about it, we didn't take it seriously, guess we should. I'll tell her when she wakes up.
But since I'm not reading through all of this, is there anything else beyond Portnoy leaving? Any other news I should know about?
Please be serious.
I heard that JMX might leave next.. But it was probably a rumor.
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Yea, there's no way I'm reading 14 pages. Jackie told me she got some texts about it, we didn't take it seriously, guess we should. I'll tell her when she wakes up.
But since I'm not reading through all of this, is there anything else beyond Portnoy leaving? Any other news I should know about?
Please be serious.
Well I heard that he wants to start a solo project where he plays all the instruments and sings. I think it would be pretty sweet!
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Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.
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A few things are on my mind:
I'm totally shocked. Such a thread on an empty stomach is definitely not the best thing.
What strikes me as the most surprising thing is that DT want to go on without MP. I always thought that without any of the founding members, DT would be history.
I can't really look into the band's future right now. No drummer right now, and we don't know who's going to take over as a band leader (maybe JP?).
That said, I was always a bit critical towards MP, but I always like his drumming chops. It's a very sad day for DT and the fan community, and I hope that DT will find a drummer that will suit their style.
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Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.
Good to hear. Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here"), so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine. I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.
Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way). Ya know? :)
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Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.
Good to hear. Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here," so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine. I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.
Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way). Ya know? :)
But Portnoy's vocals were the best! I love the way he sounds, such a manly voice... <3
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Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.
Good to hear. Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here," so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine. I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.
Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way). Ya know? :)
Well put sir.
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TOX, your post was really, really excellent.
This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
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Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.
Good to hear. Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here," so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine. I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.
Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way). Ya know? :)
Interesting aspect. If it works out like you said, then we're probably in for nice surprises.
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TOX, your post was really, really excellent.
This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
Mike Portnoy left your band too? You lucky bastard, I would kill to be that close to him!
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Wow, I read the whole thread and I still can't wrap my head around this. I have a ton of thoughts that I'm really trying to process...
a) MP's rationale for leaving the band makes a ton of sense, for a normal person. Does it really make sense for Portnoy, though? We know that he loves music of all styles, even if he's not as enamored with the DT brand of prog metal anymore. Combine that with his obsessive tendencies, and I still can't really believe this is it for MP and DT. I would put pretty good money on MP rejoining the band within, say, 5 years. Whether that's in a tour or album capacity (or obviously both!), I dunno.
b) In the interim, at least I really like A7X. I hope he continues with the band in a permanent capacity now that he's ex-DT. With MP, I think we can safely expect the band to be more metal and less...experimental pop rock? I think that if MP gets them to return to either their WtF or CoE form, that's a very good thing.
c) Who replaces MP? Obviously it has to be someone with major chops, isn't locked into another band obligation, and is capable of learning all the music - or at least enough for a set list. I think the days of the rotating tour set list are done now; how much can the new guy learn? More importantly...
d) Who's the leader of DT now? Is Petrucci or LaBrie ready to carry the band in a business, press, and fan relation sense? What happens to something like Prog Nation - is it over forever now?
e) How does MP leaving change the direction of their future output?
I think some of these things have been posted already, and I figure the rest of you are just as ??? as I am.
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TOX, your post was really, really excellent.
This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
Mike Portnoy left your band too? You lucky bastard, I would kill to be that close to him!
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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TOX, your post was really, really excellent.
This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
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Oh man, I just realized...
Mike Portnoy and M. Shadows in the same band permanently... that's too much hotness for one stage!
Mmmmmmmmmmmm.....
John
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I almost am mad at some of you guys and how easy you are letting this situation go.
I'm all for looking at the positives, but it worries me to see so many "This is great for the sound of the band!" reactions.
Its 2 a.m. here and I don't think I'll be sleeping.
I'm so upset....
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TOX, your post was really, really excellent.
This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Thanks man. Relationships are a bitch.
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TOX, your post was really, really excellent.
This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Thanks man. Relationships are a bitch.
Wait so you're in a relationship with Portnoy? You bastard, break up with him, he's mine! >:(
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TOX, your post was really, really excellent.
This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Thanks man. Relationships are a bitch.
Wait so you're in a relationship with Portnoy? You bastard, break up with him, he's mine! >:(
Listen, troll, some of us just want to mourn the loss of a great friend and band leader.
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I was. He's all yours now.
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TOX, your post was really, really excellent.
This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Thanks man. Relationships are a bitch.
Wait so you're in a relationship with Portnoy? You bastard, break up with him, he's mine! >:(
Listen, troll, some of us just want to mourn the loss of a great friend and band leader.
But I'm sad too! :[ DT are great and Mike should never have left. I am so torn up about this, I feel like someone died!
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WTF?!
What a terrible way to wake up.
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I was. He's all yours now.
YES! Can I have his number?
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WTF?!
What a terrible way to wake up.
I KNOW RIGHT
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I was. He's all yours now.
YES! Can I have his number?
i had to delete it off my phone. Come on, you know how breakups work.
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I almost am mad at some of you guys and how easy you are letting this situation go.
Listen, troll, some of us just want to mourn the loss of a great friend and band leader.
:facepalm: :facepalm: Different people deal with things in different ways. Some choose to joke it off, and others choose to see the positive in a situation rather than the negative -- don't expect everyone to act all depressed about it, even though, yes, it sucks.
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5/8.
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I almost am mad at some of you guys and how easy you are letting this situation go.
Listen, troll, some of us just want to mourn the loss of a great friend and band leader.
:facepalm: :facepalm: Different people deal with things in different ways. Some choose to joke it off, and others choose to see the positive in a situation rather than the negative -- don't expect everyone to act all depressed about it, even though, yes, it sucks.
I'm already building a Portnoy shrine... it's gonna be awesome!
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WTF?!
What a terrible way to wake up.
I KNOW RIGHT
At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.
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The trolls, they are coming...
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WTF?!
What a terrible way to wake up.
I KNOW RIGHT
At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.
I plan to listen to their entire catalogue until I pass out and can't stay awake anymore... I've already eaten a whole package of caffeine pills!
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well it's about that time when the europeans rise. we shall see their reactions too.
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WTF?!
What a terrible way to wake up.
I KNOW RIGHT
At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.
I plan to listen to their entire catalogue until I pass out and can't stay awake anymore... I've already eaten a whole package of caffeine pills!
Sounds fun, enjoy.
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WTF?!
What a terrible way to wake up.
I KNOW RIGHT
At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.
My plans for today are pretty much ruined, there's also a downside to that. :P
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how is there still 200+ guests still reading this thread....wow
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Look at the board stats as well...
Most Online Ever: 827 (Today at 03:22:36)
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Is that person's user name seriously, "fuck"?
WTF?
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@ SE: Yup. You know how it is like...
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I kinda wish they'd do one last show or something
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well it's about that time when the europeans rise. we shall see their reactions too.
That's kind of cruel. But I do anticipate BRGM's response.
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WTF?!
What a terrible way to wake up.
I KNOW RIGHT
At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.
I plan to listen to their entire catalogue until I pass out and can't stay awake anymore... I've already eaten a whole package of caffeine pills!
Troll, banned.
And on-topic, PLM summed up my exact reaction in the first reply:
WHAT
THE
FUCK?!
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c) Who replaces MP? Obviously it has to be someone with major chops, isn't locked into another band obligation, and is capable of learning all the music - or at least enough for a set list. I think the days of the rotating tour set list are done now; how much can the new guy learn?
I think the rotating set lists will continue. James said in a recent interview that playing the same songs over and over on the Iron Maiden tour bored him, and I'd imagine that others in DT would probably feel the same way.
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Metropolis without Mike Portnoy in the band is just wrong...
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hey guys, i made this video to pay tribute to the parting of mike from dream theater. i hope you enjoy it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf6abZyzatg
its been a long time since ive talked to a lot of you, i just hope dream theater continues to be the best of the best.
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I can see Jordan becoming the new face of DT now, considering all the youtube videos and twitter posts he does.
Edit: And I mean just in a social way, like when it comes to interviews etc.
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I dunno, I'm shocked, but a little excited. I mean, I haven't been too thrilled with DTs recent output, so any change might lead to good. It might not, but I'm excited to see what the band sounds like with Portnoy calling as many of the shots as he did.
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This post will probably be forgotten in an hour, given the amount of expected responses, but here we go.
First, good luck to MP. You have to follow your heart, and if this was the only way you thought you could preserve your friendships in the band, then you did the right thing.
Second, if the band wasn't willing to go on an extended hiatus, then I hope fans understand that time is money. Bands can NOT be off the road for a significant amount of time, even bands like DT. There are mortgages to pay, kids to eventually put through school, etc. So for MP to expect the guys to go on a long hiatus is really ridiculous. DT makes nothing on album sales. They make money on the road, and through merch. Plain and simple. A long time off the road means less and less income.
Third, that said, it is really, really weird to think of DT going on without Mike Portnoy, but it will, and it will be successful. MP is a great drummer. one of the best. But every single great drummer in heavy metal will want to sit on his drum stool for this gig, and since Mike didn't write any of the music of the songs (mostly a John/Jordan role), just lyrics, I really don't think DT is going to miss Mike in regard to the creation of the music.
Life will go on. Had DT lost Petrucci, the band would be fundamentally altered since he is the core music writer in the band (akin to when Queensryche lost DeGarmo). But the loss of MP can be overcome. It will just take people getting used to the idea.
Anyway, here's hoping A7X gave Mike their drum spot permanently, because it will be a well paying gig, which is something MP will need now that the income from DT touring will not be there.
Really well said Bri, that pretty much sums up my feelings as well.
Also, people seem to say things like "he's leaving DT for A7X", which is simply not true, so try reading the announcement again please. He didn't want to leave, but he wanted a longer hiatus to take a break, but the rest of the band were not willing to do that, which is why they have parted. Who knows if it'll be a permanent fixture, but as of right now this is what all the members want. It'll definitely be interesting to see where they go from here.
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I'm at a loss for words here. Don't know what to say. This is the first thing I read when I got to work, and I'm just... sad, heartbroken. Didn't really see this one coming. MP was the last member I thought would leave DT. Like he says, it's his baby.
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Could this be the end?
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Good news: I finally stopped crying.
Edit: but my urge to vomit returned. Damn it.
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Jon Anderson left Yes. What happened?
here are some of my thoughts (https://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater.html)
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(https://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/16593/original/vader-nooooo.jpg?1252269506)
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You're a little late for that to be dramatic.
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Just found out. Very sad indeed, but for a band to have the great run that they did with that solid of a lineup is a gift to all of us. Thanks Mike, and Ihhope to see you back. :sadpanda:
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I've started my binge through DT's discography...
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Listening to The Glass Prison right now...
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I'm creating a playlist/CD-mix of MP-penned songs...all of them, plus related instrumentals.
Here's my working set list as of right now (after going through a dozen different track orders):
10:15 - "The Mirror" (Demo Version)
11:36 - "Raise the Knife"
6:46 - "Never Enough" ->
8:56 - "Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu" (Making Of SFAM Alternate Mix)
5:28 - "Just Let Me Breathe"
6:55 - "Constant Motion"
10:14 - "Honor Thy Father"
8:20 - "New Millennium"
13:03 - "Home" (Making Of SFAM Alternate Mix)
5:43 - "Ytse Jam"
9:45 - "Burning My Soul/Hell's Kitchen" ->
11:56 - "Finally Free" (Making Of SFAM Alternate Mix + My own edits at the end) ->
55:51 - "The Twelve Step Suite" (My remix of the suite, not one track but that's the total length)
5:11 - "Eve"
13:07 - "The Best of Times"
23:06 - "A Change of Seasons"
The end of "Raise The Knife" is the same key as "Never Enough" so the transition is pretty sweet. Also, JLMB followed by CM is pretty sweet too.
-Marc.
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WTF?!
What a terrible way to wake up.
This.
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I don't know if I'll be wanting to listen to DT at the moment. Perhaps a needed "break" from them would be healthy.
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fuck.. im like super depressed right now...
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:(
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I went through four of the five stages of death, but I just can't accept this.
I'm going to go paint it out...
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My girlfriend texted this to me. I laughed and didn't believe her. Then I logged into my Twitter account on my phone and saw Jordan's latest tweets. :(
Dear GOD! He really is the last person I expected to leave this band. I seem to remember him saying that the current line-up is so great that if any of them were to leave now, it would be the end of DT. Well, I'm glad that isn't the case.
Even though I'm still in shock, I'm glad that they are continuing. Finding a drummer with Portnoy's skills probably won't be that hard, not when you've got the reputation that DT has.
But who is going to take care of Ytse Jam shop? The rotating set lists? The interviews? And a TON of other things he does that none of us knows anything about. :(
And to think I listened to Transatlantic's The Whirlwind this morning, being angry that I couldn't listen to the whole piece. I'm really glad if this leads to more Transatlantic records, but...
BUT WHAT ABOUT DT!!!! :sadpanda:
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This is unexpected.
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Bah, too bad. But I can't say I'm shocked to hear it.
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I've started my binge through DT's discography...
Yeah I'm pretty much doing the same. Listened to most of BSCL on the way to work, and since arriving have finished that off and am now nearing the end of ACOS.
I've also now finished reading through the full thread. The news shocked me, but only two things have so far brought a tear to my eye:
- TOX's post. Seriously, the way it ended made me feel incredibly sad.
- The end of The Shattered Fortress. When the TGP reprise came in, it hit me that this really is the end of an era.
:(
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I'm gutted but not surprised. I wish MP all the very best. I look back at all the DT shows I have been to with fond memories. It hurts to think that I will never see MP behind that monster kit at a DT show again. My mind is numb, I just can't think straight now. :sad: :angry:
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I've started my binge through DT's discography...
Yeah I'm pretty much doing the same. Listened to most of BSCL on the way to work, and since arriving have finished that off and am now nearing the end of ACOS.
I've also now finished reading through the full thread. The news shocked me, but only two things have so far brought a tear to my eye:
- TOX's post. Seriously, the way it ended made me feel incredibly sad.
- The end of The Shattered Fortress. When the TGP reprise came in, it hit me that this really is the end of an era.
:(
Yeah. ToX's post needs to be archived, or something. Nominated for POTY.
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WTF
This is a pretty shitty birthday present.
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Now that I've seen more posts, I like how, as always, Jordan keeps looking forward and being optimistic. Gonna need that always in a band.... Good job, Wiz ;)
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I'm speechless... I had the impression he was the one band member who would stick with DT until the bitter end.
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WTF
This is a pretty amazing birthday present.
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I think this is going to be a relively long post. Bear with me if you want. If you ignore it, that's okay too.
I came back from a movie tonight at around one o'clock this morning. When I opened up my laptop and logged into MSN, I received an offline message from my guitarist saying, "MIKE PORTNOY LEFT?!?!?!?!?! MIKE PORTNOY LEFT?!?!?!?!"
"No fucking way," I thought, "not Dream Theater."
I jumped on here immediately and saw the news, I headed over to Blabbermouth and saw it. I literally started to cry. I'm still in shock and the very thought of Mike not being in Dream Theater scares the shit out of me. Mike is/was Dream Theater in my honest opinion.
As a drummer, this hits me very hard since I very much look up to Mike Portnoy because it was him who influenced me to expand my style of playing, encorporating odd-time signatures, etc. I know I'm talking about him as if he were dead but I'm sorry; I'm just as much a fan of Dream Theater and from a drummer's point of view, I learned so goddamn much from him as an individual drummer and a member of Dream Theater. And seeing him live at Massey Hall on March 25th, 2004 on the Train Of Thought world tour in Toronto is something that I will never forget.
I read this thread from beginning to end and I too believe that Mike will be back soon. I hope to God he comes back. I just don't see Mike not doing anything with the band that he pretty much carried on his back for over twenty-five years. I honestly think after some time and rest, he will come back and he will be stronger, better, and more clear-headed than ever. I never expected this to happen, to be quite honest. I just sincerely hope that he comes back and puts out a whole new slew of Dream Theater records because I personally thought that Black Clouds And Silver Linings was their best release in over a decade.
If he doesn't come back, however, I wish him nothing but the best and I hope he is happy with his choce(s).
And personally- just by short of a miracle that he is reading this page: Thank you, Mike. I have been admiring you since I was eleven years old. I have much to owe you in terms of music appreciation, drumming, and discovering your band which has taken me on such an extraordinary journey that I could never thank you enough.
Cheers, Mike.
Carpe diem. Seize the day.
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I think I recall Mike almost leaving DT after FII? I don't think this is completely unexpected, he is a passionate man, and if things aren't going he's way, he will usually do something about it.
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You know what...
I absolutely love Mike. He's one heck of a guy. He might be one of the best drummers on the planet, and a huge creative force in Dream Theater in every way you can imagine. But if he decided to leave the band, so be it, even though I can't even imagine how it would feel like without him. I wish him luck and happiness. Dream Theater just can't end. Huge support towards LaBrie, Myung, Petrucci and Rudess. I can't wait to see who the new drummer is.
Keep the dream alive, guys!
:metal
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I almost am mad at some of you guys and how easy you are letting this situation go.
I'm all for looking at the positives, but it worries me to see so many "This is great for the sound of the band!" reactions.
Its 2 a.m. here and I don't think I'll be sleeping.
I'm so upset....
And I don't understand how people lose sleep over a band member deciding to move on, there were so many " I cried " posts I actually thought I was going to get sick. Its not like the man has died nor the band break up.
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I can't believe it. Today has been surreal. I found out that two people I was in hospital with who had the same disease as me had died, one from the disease and one suicide. Then I found out that my friend has hours left to live. And now home to find this. It feels like I'm dreaming.
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:omg:
European n00b since Octavarium here.
Woke up went to work and looked as usual to blabbermouth.net then I watched the news.
Big fucking news!
Didn't imagine one of the bands mastermind would ever leave the band. I've said LaBrie in the other thread "pull a Kevin Moore" because I thought he might be in danger of the MP non happy with vocals answers but this took me by surprise, most have said correctly if Lars left Metallica it would be same.
MP was a huge part of the band and I understand the burning out. He was apart from LaBrie and Rudess on few occasions the voice to the press of the band, the mentor of b-sides/bootlegs selling of the band. He pushed the band to the maximum and I love songs like The Best of Times and Metropolis.
But hey this is clear I think, probably a amicable split.
To be honest I don't believe the "DT are poor and wanted to make a new album to earn money". There are more these days than CD sales. They are a popular and unique band in the metal world and if they stopped for one year they wouldn't have gasoline for their Ferraris because merchandise sells and cds sell too even in stale years.
JP and company probably love DT more than MP these days and want to carry on. The Band had set up after the end of Prog Nation that 2010 would be a quiet year to write and prepare for the next album. James LaBrie probably could have saved some of his material for if MP had not agreed for that one year hiatus.
Then MP has a reunion with the band to extend the hiatus. If I were in the band I wouldn't agree either. MP hasn't stopped touring and making records with others and enjoying it, the band thought probably that he isn't into it, doesn't like LaBrie vocals and loves more other bands more these days.
Only time will tell who DT picks as a new drummer and how they will make the new album. MP will be in AS, Transatlantic and in other bands, he won't disappear IMO.
Only time will tell now... probably DT will change and JM and JLB become more into the bands songwriting.
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From Facebook:
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
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I understand the band wanting to continue. I mean, Mike wanted a hiatus, and the band is on one, and weren't planning to reconvene until January at the earliest anyway. It's not the band's fault that Mike filled up his schedule with other stuff.
I am confident that DT can find another drummer. Their biggest adjustment will be how to divvy up all of MP's non-musical responsibilities.
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The only problem is now I gotta change my avatar... :facepalm:
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The only problem is now I gotta change my avatar... :facepalm:
To say what? "15 Minutes and I'm Outtta Here!"?
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I understand the band wanting to continue. I mean, Mike wanted a hiatus, and the band is on one, and weren't planning to reconvene until January at the earliest anyway. It's not the band's fault that Mike filled up his schedule with other stuff.
Yeah I somehow get the feeling that he brought this on himself, by doing a lot of side-projects when they were going to take 2010 off. And now that he finally wants to have a break, the other guys feel like they've had their hiatus and wants to continue doing DT music. Or I'm just confused right now. Angry, sad, disappointed.
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This is a fucking disaster. Portnoy was with Petrucci the most important member of this band while composing. He has composed wonderful songs.
Now it will never be the same again, that's for sure. And let's see how are they gonna find a drummer to replace MIKE PORTNOY.
Fuck, this is insane. I'm angry. Shit, fucking shit.
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This may be a one time event on earth, but DT is kind of famous at the moment. Kind of sad it's because of bad news.
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/DarthHonus29/PortDT.jpg)
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From Facebook:
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
I'd have thought this was pretty obvious. Anyone blaming A7X is quite frankly being irrational.
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Agreed.
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From Facebook:
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
I'd have thought this was pretty obvious. Anyone blaming A7X is quite frankly being irrational.
Yeah, but there are many upset fans who say irrational things right now, so I can fully understand MP's message.
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I understand the band wanting to continue. I mean, Mike wanted a hiatus, and the band is on one, and weren't planning to reconvene until January at the earliest anyway. It's not the band's fault that Mike filled up his schedule with other stuff.
This is actually a really good point.
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From Facebook:
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
I'd have thought this was pretty obvious. Anyone blaming A7X is quite frankly being irrational.
Yeah, but there are many upset fans who say irrational things right now, so I can fully understand MP's message.
Well, maybe Mike's decision is not that rational, you know? We'll see in the future, can you assure that he will never regret this decision? That happend with other musicians.
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Regretting decisions a few years afterwards doesn't make them irrational. MP had reasons to leave DT, and he thought them through for quite some time. To me, that's quite the opposite of irrational.
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I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.
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Regretting decisions a few years afterwards doesn't make them irrational. MP had reasons to leave DT, and he thought them through for quite some time. To me, that's quite the opposite of irrational.
Indeed. He may well change his mind or regret the decision, or whatever, further down the line. But it's very clear that he's thought long and hard about this decision and that it is not an impulsive thing at all.
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THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!
I mean..... THEY TOOK OUR DREMMER!
But I agree, you can't blame A7X for Portnoy's decision.
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I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.
....What picture are you talking about?
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I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.
....What picture are you talking about?
https://twitpic.com/2gdzo0
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Yeah, it's funny, but as he's gone on about how much fun he's been having, it was translating to me as a lack of fun in DT. He's mentioned the comraderie of the guys in A7X, while in the past he mentions the chemistry of DT. Reminds me of the story he told back in the FII days where he was at a music fest and all these bands (Pantera,Slayer?) were having so much fun together.
I am very happy to hear that DT will continue. Honestly, that surprises me.
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Regretting decisions a few years afterwards doesn't make them irrational. MP had reasons to leave DT, and he thought them through for quite some time. To me, that's quite the opposite of irrational.
Ok, so if he decide to return in the future, then he will be choosing a rational or irrational decision?
Rational can't be "what I think it's better now". That is just a decision you think is better, not rational. Could be another person at your side thinking that is not rational. He has been thinking quite a lot it seems, but that is not enough to say this has been rational imo. That for me is the best decision he has chosen right now, cause his emotions are saying that is the correct. But that doesn't mean it's rational. It is just suitable.
Imagine somebody thinking one year about spending his life with a schizo, and suddenly he say: "well, I have decided to spend all my life with this schizo, cause I have been thinking a lot about it and I think it's the best for me". And one day that schizo decides to shoot that person...
Well, that is rational too, isn't it? Cause that person was reasoning.
You need time to know if a decision was rational or not. You don't need time to know if the decision was the best for my feelings at that time or not. I think all these kind of things could be easy if they decided to think what DT represents, but I understand that it's impossible to fight against your feelings. And MP's feelings right now are all about "bye bye DT".
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I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.
....What picture are you talking about?
https://twitpic.com/2gdzo0
I don't see how that pic could have helped anybody predict the future, but whatever.
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Regretting decisions a few years afterwards doesn't make them irrational. MP had reasons to leave DT, and he thought them through for quite some time. To me, that's quite the opposite of irrational.
Ok, so if he decide to return in the future, then he will be choosing a rational or irrational decision?
Irrelevant.
Rational can't be "what I think it's better now". That is just a decision you think is better, not rational. Could be another person at your side thinking that is not rational. He has been thinking quite a lot it seems, but that is not enough to say this has been rational imo. That for me is the best decision he has chosen right now, cause his emotions are saying that is the correct. But that doesn't mean it's rational. It is just suitable.
Apparently, you haven't thought about what I said. I didn't say that he made the better decision just because it was suitable. I just said that he didn't act impulsive, that he thought it all through for, as it seems, months, and that he had reasons to come to such a decision. That's the definition of "rational". Whether this decision was better or not is not the question.
Imagine somebody thinking one year about spending his life with a schizo, and suddenly he say: "well, I have decided to spend all my life with this schizo, cause I have been thinking a lot about it and I think it's the best for me". And one day that schizo decides to shoot that person...
Well, that is rational too, isn't it? Cause that person was reasoning.
Love stuff =/= business stuff. You're comparing two completely different things here.
You need time to know if a decision was rational or not. You don't need time to know if the decision was the best for my feelings at that time or not. I think all these kind of things could be easy if they decided to think what DT represents, but I understand that it's impossible to fight against your feelings. And MP's feelings right now are all about "bye bye DT".
The thing is that MP wasn't only guided by his feelings, but by pretty much everything that surrounds him. He set his priorities that way that he wanted a break to spend time with his family after the A7X tour. The rest of DT can't really rely on him financially to take a whole more year off, so that was probably the last straw. It's a solution that is completely rational and understandable.
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The thing is, even if Mike wants to come back in let's say 3 years, will DT simply pull another Derek Sherinian and fire the current drummer?
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I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.
....What picture are you talking about?
https://twitpic.com/2gdzo0
I don't see how that pic could have helped anybody predict the future, but whatever.
Gad, like I said in my above port, MP's been saying how much FUN he's been having on this tour. When he posted that pic, he mentioned how the A7X guys have this great comraderie and they have been able to get him out og his hotel room. I think he posted something along those lines when he posted the pic. Reading between the lines, I just knew this was going to affect DT in some way..that's all.
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The thing is WTF is gonna happen now? Cause MP was more than just the drummer, and that scares me.
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From Facebook:
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
I'd have thought this was pretty obvious. Anyone blaming A7X is quite frankly being irrational.
I don't blame Avenged Sevenfold. But I will say this much: at the end of the Black Clouds tour it seemed pretty obvious that Portnoy was getting tired. Initially, when it was announced that there'd be no more DT shows for the year after only one headlining tour, many people speculated that it was the entire band getting tired, not just Mike. Now, it turns out that it really was just Mike who needed to slow-down.
Or so it would seem.
Yes, "or so it would seem" because then DT announced the Maiden tour. And then Mike went off to play with A7X. Consciously or not, Mike must have known that he needed to start "testing the waters," that maybe simply touring wasn't getting to him as much as he realized his involvement in the band itself was. Getting tired with Dream Theater, Mike must have joined up with A7X temporarily, with the conscious or, at least, semi-conscious frame of mind that maybe it was time to start taking all of his eggs out of the same basket.
Mike's a pro and, well, people with careers all do stuff like this at one point or another. We fill out resumes without letting our employers and coworkers know we plan on leaving. Or, on a more personal level, we realize we aren't with the person we thought we loved-- regardless of how much we may have loved them in the past. That's just the way life is. People change/grow/move-on. It's sad when it happens, of course, but fortunately that changes too.
And so I don't blame A7X, just like I don't blame myself for making some of the hard decisions I've had to make lately. Just like I tried really hard not to blame a good friend of mine for breaking up with my another good friend of mine, who's really like a sister to me, recently.
The fact is Mike was going. He wasn't happy. If gigging with A7X didn't work out, he would have just gone somewhere else. It may not have happened now, but it would have happened eventually. And if it didn't happen, Mike's boredom would have shown through on DT's music.
Thankfully, Mike found a good fit for himself, or at least I hope so.
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Ok... after a few hours of thinking... I have decided on how i feel about this. I know people have probably mentioned things im going to say but w/e
I originally blamed a7x.... (I honestly H8 them.... but i still respect them as a band. no flaming me)... and then i blamed JP, JMX, JR, & JLB. Now idk. Honestly he is... well was the leader of a band that pretty much kept me from going on rampages killing hookers with a spoon (point to who can tell me what that's from...). I was the typical angry confused teen... andi found something that was non comformist that i actually liked. DT. ... *fast forwarding*.... it kinda baffles me that one of the few people in music i look up to would devote his life to something... and then abandon it... because spent his off time being a drum whore (that's my phrase.... Sherinian is a Key Whore... lol) and then when the rest of the band wants to carry on with the band as planned after the break....
god i thought i was cool and collected enough to do this but nevermind....
what a slap in the F*cking face.
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WHAT THE....?! :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
I DIDN'T see this coming! I never thought Mike would ever leave DT! This is so sad... Who could replace him?
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It is almost like a guy, who is in a marriage for a long time, and made a lot of girl friends on the side, just friends, but was having too much fun on the side with them, while the marriage had grown stagnant, especially compared to the new relationships, which is normal since something new is always gonna be exciting. And when that happens, it is somewhat shocking when the guy up and leaves his wife out of nowhere, but few are surprised when he is in a full blown relationship with one of the girl friends a few months later. The guy insists he didn't leave his wife for the girl, but it sure looks like he did, whether that is right or wrong. In this situation, A7X is the girl friend. And as such, will anyone really be surprised if, in a few months, Portnoy is an official member of their band?
And no, I am not saying Portnoy "cheated" on Dream Theater :lol, but that is the best analogy I could come up with this early in the morning.
Oh, and just like the guy eventually realizes that the new and exciting thing didn't give him the stability and satisfaction of his previous marriage, and longs to return to his wife, I suspect there will come a day where Portnoy looks back and thinks he made a terrible decision. Just my two cents...
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It is almost like a guy, who is in a marriage for a long time, and made a lot of girl friends on the side, just friends, but was having too much fun on the side with them, while the marriage had grown stagnant, especially compared to the new relationships, which is normal since something new is always gonna be exciting. And when that happens, it is somewhat shocking when the guy up and leaves his wife out of nowhere, but few are surprised when he is in a full blown relationship with one of the girl friends a few months later. The guy insists he didn't leave his wife for the girl, but it sure looks like he did, whether that is right or wrong. In this situation, A7X is the girl friend. And as such, will anyone really be surprised if, in a few months, Portnoy is an official member of their band?
And no, I am not saying Portnoy "cheated" on Dream Theater :lol, but that is the best analogy I could come up with this early in the morning.
Oh, and just like the guy eventually realizes that the new and exciting thing didn't give him the stability and satisfaction of his previous marriage, and longs to return to his wife, I suspect there will come a day where Portnoy looks back and thinks he made a terrible decision. Just my two cents...
I agree.
This is not a rational decision, it is that suits his mental state now. He will regret, we all will see.
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It hasn't really hit me at all. I don't think I can think of DT and not Portnoy, it just doesn't exist. I don't mean like a OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO way but, just because he was so integral.
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Ofcourse the only one who knows if he wants to come back eventually, is MP himself. But indeed, I can definately see a reunion coming up in a few years. New energy, new views on making music.. maybe this has potential of turning out for the better.
I definately understand MP's decision, must take a lot of balls to do such a thing. I don't even care why he doesn't really like being in DT anymore, sometimes you just get bored or fed up with something, with no particular reason.
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Wow... this is out of nowhere to me... :-\ DT and A7X are my top 2 bands... so I don't know how to feel.
I was looking forward to the next DT release though...
Have any of the other members made an individual statement yet?
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Raziel, I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "rational". It is rational because he has spent a lot of time thinking about it and weighing up the pros and cons. Whatever happens in the future has nothing to do with it.
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Rational =/= correct.
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It hasn't really hit me at all. I don't think I can think of DT and not Portnoy, it just doesn't exist. I don't mean like a OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO way but, just because he was so integral.
This is the case with me as well. Totally surreal and bizarre.
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I wonder when Mike actually made his choice, when he informed the band, and when he made it public? Since they weren't planning on entering the studio til early next year, I kind of wish Mike would have waited to make this decision if the timeline of events I questioned happened quickly. I respect his choice, but I just want to know how rash of a decision it really is. It seems like he made his mind up a while ago, and by formallizing his departure he is allowing the rest of the band to find a new drummer and proceed as planned, which is what I would like to think he did.
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:lol I mean even when they get a NEW drummer, I'm still going to think Portnoy is still in DT.
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I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.
Pros:
- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing
This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
As much as a part of me fairly well agrees with this, you have to remember that in a lot of aspects, MP carried the band. It's likely that it could go very well for them, but things may get much worse than we can imagine. In fact, I seriously suspect that the band is going to find out how much MP really did for the band only as it takes its toll on them, and then they could be done altogether.
Finding this out is kind of like when my parents split up with each other. I had long felt our family needed a good shake-up - my parents hated each other, my dad often treated us all like shit, and had become a financial burden on my mum - so it was most likely going to end as a very good thing, and everyone was going to be happier. But it was still sad news because of the almost inevitable turbulence that lay ahead. And as much as I did still have a family, initially, it felt very much like it was gone.
I rarely listen to DT anymore, so I’m not equating the two events in how much they’ve effected me emotionally. I’m just comparing the situations.
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I cried while listening to ACOS :sadpanda:
I agree it's no Octavarium, but it's not that bad !
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I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.
Pros:
- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing
This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
As much as a part of me fairly well agrees with this, you have to remember that in a lot of aspects, MP carried the band. It's likely that it could go very well for them, but things may get much worse than we can imagine. In fact, I seriously suspect that the band is going to find out how much MP really did for the band only as it takes its toll on them, and then they could be done altogether.
Finding this out is kind of like when my parents split up with each other. I had long felt our family needed a good shake-up - my parents hated each other, my dad often treated us all like shit, and had become a financial burden on my mum - so it was most likely going to end as a very good thing, and everyone was going to be happier. But it was still sad news because of the almost inevitable turbulence that lay ahead. And as much as I did still have a family, initially, it felt very much like it was gone.
I rarely listen to DT anymore, so I’m not equating the two events in how much they’ve effected me emotionally. I’m just comparing the situations.
They've all been there for a long time though. With the solo records, other releases, etc. I think that they'll be just fine. It'll be really weird without Portnoy, no doubt, but we could get amazing things like Jordan's great piano skills, JM' lyrics, etc. It's not like they're completely clueless on what to do.
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Fuck were never gonna get that 12 steps live performance...
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I am still shocked by this but the only thing i have been able to think about is there are a lot of great drummers out there and I can't help but wonder what the next DT album will be like .
I guess what im trying to say is Mike is one of my all time favorite drummers and I am not at all happy about him leaving BUT there are some friggin amazing drummers out there and DT remaining members are ALL great musicians there could be some great NEW stuff coming from DT in the future.
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remaining members are ALL great musicians there could be some great NEW stuff coming from DT in the future.
I hope, I just hope this doesn't mean the end of DT.
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Speechless, really.
This is about the last thing I expected to read today.
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I think a lot of this also has to do with MP's personality. Even though he is 40-something, he acts like teenanger when he's with his friends (Or at least, that's the impression I have had thanks to lots of videos we've seen of MP goofing around). A7X are a younger band, and thus they tend to have more "fun". He probably fits better under that scheme...I don't know, even though 1 night has already passed, I'm having a hard time realizing and digesting this.
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I wonder when Mike actually made his choice, when he informed the band, and when he made it public? Since they weren't planning on entering the studio til early next year, I kind of wish Mike would have waited to make this decision if the timeline of events I questioned happened quickly. I respect his choice, but I just want to know how rash of a decision it really is. It seems like he made his mind up a while ago, and by formallizing his departure he is allowing the rest of the band to find a new drummer and proceed as planned, which is what I would like to think he did.
I'm trying to work out the timeline myself. Not long enough he was claiming to be going full steam ahead for a bit of Jan 2011 studio time. But apparently this is something that's been eating away for about a year?
So... conflict of personality for a year or so, he becomes a little bit disenchanted over that time but doesn't consider leaving, then he goes on the Transatlantic tour followed by the A7X tour and thinks "I'm with the wrong people?"
That said, I'm very impressed with the rest of 'em for going "Right, well either you do the album with us in Jan 11 or you leave." I figured they were a lot more passive than that. I do think this is the right decision. For Mike and for the band. Especially for the band.
They won't struggle. They're professional musicians. Starting from scratch, now that's tough, but they managed that alright in 1989 and again in 1992 with about 1/10 of the internal cohesion. Drummer leaving? Not nearly as tricky, no matter how crucial he was. Not saying it'll be easy - it won't - but if anyone can cope with their drummer leaving, it'll be a band of four world-class, top notch, ultra-experienced musicians with a fanbase of thousands whose albums are still continuing to chart higher and higher after 25 years. This is the bit where Dream Theater prove their mettle. Heck, this is the bit where they've got something to prove again, and something to strive for. DT11's not just an album, now. It's the album. And I reckon they could knock it out of the park again. I've got every faith in them.
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I cried while listening to ACOS :sadpanda:
I agree it's no Octavarium, but it's not that bad !
:lol
On a serious note, the news struck me hard. For now, I'll just try to contain the news and leave my personal analysis for the future. I won't deny that I'm quite disappointed.
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I wonder how will their newest album be recieved...maybe things are cooling down a bit on this forum and we're getting somewhat more rational, but thousands of fans throughout the world (and Portnoy diehards) are probably not going to support a Portnoy-less DT a lot..
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Rational =/= correct.
That's actually pretty much exactly what it means.
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That said, I'm very impressed with the rest of 'em for going "Right, well either you do the album with us in Jan 11 or you leave." I figured they were a lot more passive than that. I do think this is the right decision. For Mike and for the band. Especially for the band.
One thing that has really come to light with all this is how off-base the assumptions that MP had control of the band were. If that was the case, and the rest really were all passive (as a number of people would insist was the case) this would not have happened the way it did. Which is definitely a good thing, shows that the remaining members still have the drive in them to get on with things!
I wonder how will their newest album be recieved...maybe things are cooling down a bit on this forum and we're getting somewhat more rational, but thousands of fans throughout the world (and Portnoy diehards) are probably not going to support a Portnoy-less DT a lot..
I don't doubt there'll be a bit of that, but I don't think it'll be a huge deal. I mean, we cope with people who complain about DT with MP, this'll just be the same but the other way round.
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I'm guessing The Best Of Times will be put besides Space Dye Vest now...
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If they're still going to go into the studio in January they should probably be announcing a new drummer in the next month or so... I think
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I need Petrucci to hug me with his burly bear arms... :'(
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I wonder when Mike actually made his choice, when he informed the band, and when he made it public? Since they weren't planning on entering the studio til early next year, I kind of wish Mike would have waited to make this decision if the timeline of events I questioned happened quickly. I respect his choice, but I just want to know how rash of a decision it really is. It seems like he made his mind up a while ago, and by formallizing his departure he is allowing the rest of the band to find a new drummer and proceed as planned, which is what I would like to think he did.
I'm trying to work out the timeline myself. Not long enough he was claiming to be going full steam ahead for a bit of Jan 2011 studio time. But apparently this is something that's been eating away for about a year?
There definitely were signs going back a ways. I don't think Mike was actually comtemplating leaving, but there were some odd decisions. Remember, for example, the fact that BCSL was their highest debut ever, and yet they decided not to do a U.S. headlining tour supporting it?
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Nope ,SDV now gets played!
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Just found out about this... Still quite shocked.
Now I regret not having gone to Progressive Nation last year. I wanted to wait for an "An Evening With..." tour to experience Dream Theater live for the first time. But now it looks like I will never see them live, at least not in the way I know and have come to love them. :|
The reason Mike gives for his departure seems a little weird to me, though.
I mean, if you have worked together for 25 years, you think you should be able to finde a way to make it work somehow and not just go different ways. But I guess Mike grew a little apart from the rest of the band and maybe they grew apart of him, too. He did seem to have more fun with his side projects, so I guss his leaving is for the best, although at this point I can't really imagine DT without Portnoy.
I really hope JP, JR, JLB and JMX can work this out, find a worthy successor and keep the dream alive. :hefdaddy
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That said, I'm very impressed with the rest of 'em for going "Right, well either you do the album with us in Jan 11 or you leave." I figured they were a lot more passive than that. I do think this is the right decision. For Mike and for the band. Especially for the band.
One thing that has really come to light with all this is how off-base the assumptions that MP had control of the band were. If that was the case, and the rest really were all passive (as a number of people would insist was the case) this would not have happened the way it did. Which is definitely a good thing, shows that the remaining members still have the drive in them to get on with things!
Aye. I think this concept of MP's complete and unadultered control is one of those things that passed into fanon. MP's input was the only bit anyone really saw from the outside, due to MP being very outgoing, very visible, very public about being obsessive, very outspoken about what "his lot" in the band was. So a lot of people - myself included, although not to quite such an extent as some perhaps - kind of went "Right, this is literally all we ever get to see. Is he basically the only engine?" We only saw more of him 'cause he was a leader, and more outspoken and open than the others. (And WAY more open than KevMo.) I'm very happy that they've gone "We want you, but there's more to the band than just you. Are you coming or going?" That's a very ballsy decision, a very brave decision, and absolutely quashes any doubt that they might not be up to the challenge. They've laid down the gauntlet themselves. Ace.
I say it all the time, but dirty magnifying glass. Some bits get exaggerated, others are obscured completely. We don't realise how ridiculously warped and limited our "insight" is.
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Something to notice: in September of 25years ago Dream Theater were formed.
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I wonder when Mike actually made his choice, when he informed the band, and when he made it public? Since they weren't planning on entering the studio til early next year, I kind of wish Mike would have waited to make this decision if the timeline of events I questioned happened quickly. I respect his choice, but I just want to know how rash of a decision it really is. It seems like he made his mind up a while ago, and by formallizing his departure he is allowing the rest of the band to find a new drummer and proceed as planned, which is what I would like to think he did.
I'm trying to work out the timeline myself. Not long enough he was claiming to be going full steam ahead for a bit of Jan 2011 studio time. But apparently this is something that's been eating away for about a year?
There definitely were signs going back a ways. I don't think Mike was actually comtemplating leaving, but there were some odd decisions. Remember, for example, the fact that BCSL was their highest debut ever, and yet they decided not to do a U.S. headlining tour supporting it?
That's a very good point.
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Something to notice: in September of 25years ago Dream Theater were formed.
Actually, not DT foundation, but in September 1985 John Petrucci and John Myung met for the first time Portnoy.
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this will reach 2000 posts in no time. :yarr
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So i just found out about this now, and even though i don't listen as much to DT now as i used to, im pretty shocked.
Mike Portnoy = Dream Theater for me, by that i dont mean that he's the whole band, more like that i cant imagine him not being in the band. (if that makes any sense)
It's pretty sad to hear. :-\
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Good news: I finally stopped crying.
Edit: but my urge to vomit returned. Damn it.
And we wonder why we have trolls coming on here?
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That said, I'm very impressed with the rest of 'em for going "Right, well either you do the album with us in Jan 11 or you leave." I figured they were a lot more passive than that. I do think this is the right decision. For Mike and for the band. Especially for the band.
Not the rest of them - Petrucci.
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I'd like to say that I started my day by listening to ACOS, Wither, then The Count Of Tuscany. These songs have an entirely new set of emotional value to me. To the future, everyone.
The outro of TCOT, fuck man.. it just sounds like it's the ending of an era.
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Wow, this bothers me, a lot.
I was on Charlie Dominici's official facebook page, and someone had told him about Mike leaving, possibly because of A7X, then Charlie put "I'm sure it was only a part of the picture."
However, then he put "Wait did he leave or get kicked out LOL?"
Then he went on Avenged Sevenfold's page and put "\m/"
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As much as I hate to say this.... I think this is the end for DT. Regardless how great their next album is, their live show will never be the same. Unfortunately that is where's DT's success is. Personally I really don't have a desire to see the again, it will just seem weird. I can't imagine seeing metropolis, or many other songs without MP at the kit. It just seems wrong. Idk, it's gonna take a while to settle in.
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I'm actually really excited to see and her the new DT. I haven't been this excited for DT in a long time.
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As much as I hate to say this.... I think this is the end for DT. Regardless how great their next album is, their live show will never be the same. Unfortunately that is where's DT's success is. Personally I really don't have a desire to see the again, it will just seem weird. I can't imagine seeing metropolis, or many other songs without MP at the kit. It just seems wrong. Idk, it's gonna take a while to settle in.
I'm very sad and upset about his news, and agree 100% with this post - NO ONE can replace MP live.
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Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)
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I'd hate to be the drummer that has to learn the DT catalogue. That would be a challenge to say the least.
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I'd hate to be the drummer that has to learn the DT catalogue. That would be a challenge to say the least.
I'm sure that there are quite a few drummers who love challenges and who'd love to accept one such as this.
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I'd hate to be the drummer that has to learn the DT catalogue. That would be a challenge to say the least.
I'm sure that there are quite a few drummers who love challenges and who'd love to accept one such as this.
This, also it wouldn't be like he would have to learn the entire catalog in one sitting. It would be something that would come about slowly. I think there are many drummers out there who are up to the challenge and being professionals would probably be able to handle it.
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Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)
im a fan of both bands, but i wouldnt mind demolishing a couple a7x fans at the moment
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Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)
Yikes.
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Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)
Yikes.
Pemburu Pertamax is a funny troll guy.
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Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)
Yikes.
Pemburu Pertamax is a funny troll guy.
Makes me feel embarrassed myself.
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Reading the 5/8 thread.
I wasn't aware that it redirected to the home of anonymous.
You can't honestly believe it's not a little warranted to poke a little fun at the people who act like their life is over? Especially when they're not doing it here. Some of you guys ARE overreacting a bit, I've seen someone compare it to the day Lennon was shot and someone call it the worst day in music history. It's a drummer leaving a band. Please don't take that, and the people on another board poking fun, so seriously. After all, it is NOT life and death.
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Lots of great posts in this thread by a lot of people.
@Reap', Rob, and DoC: :clap: :uny:
@TOX: great post as well. One of the best things I've read on this forum in ages.
@Bacong: You are within an inch of being banned. Quit trolling, now.
Bosky, chill it. I wasn't trolling. Spamming, yes.
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Reading the 5/8 thread.
I wasn't aware that it redirected to the home of anonymous.
You can't honestly believe it's not a little warranted to poke a little fun at the people who act like their life is over? Especially when they're not doing it here. Some of you guys ARE overreacting a bit, I've seen someone compare it to the day Lennon was shot and someone call it the worst day in music history. It's a drummer leaving a band. Please don't take that, and the people on another board poking fun, so seriously. After all, it is NOT life and death.
And as always, the truth lies somewhere in-between.
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Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)
Yikes.
Pemburu Pertamax is a funny troll guy.
Makes me feel embarrassed myself.
Aye, hah. It's a shame.
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I just read the thread and sorry for the few people who came over and trolled (fuck is a 5/8 member, I'll be talking to him) I was mostly serious in this thread :p
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Reading the 5/8 thread.
I wasn't aware that it redirected to the home of anonymous.
You can't honestly believe it's not a little warranted to poke a little fun at the people who act like their life is over? Especially when they're not doing it here. Some of you guys ARE overreacting a bit, I've seen someone compare it to the day Lennon was shot and someone call it the worst day in music history. It's a drummer leaving a band. Please don't take that, and the people on another board poking fun, so seriously. After all, it is NOT life and death.
And as always, the truth lies somewhere in-between.
Of course, but it's a little dramatic the way some people have been acting. I'm not telling them how to act but a little perspective would never hurt :)
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We're definitely on the same page about our attitudes towards the over-dramatic reactions of some fans, although we displayed in different ways. That's where the difference lies - and it's only natural to defend his own way of reacting towards questionable statements. I can't say I really approve of it, but I can see why it was displayed.
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I just wanted to lighten things up :(
Bosky, you hurt my feelings saying I was trolling. :(
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There is no other way to view this news. It's the worst thing short of someone dying that could have happened to one of the best bands in the world.
I am truly grateful for all the shows I have seen with DT since 1994. I've seen every tour, bought every album on day one.
DT could have gotten away with losing Rudess, even LaBrie. But breaking up the 'Holy Trinity' of JM/JP/MP is not going to work imo, and it's not something I am interested in seeing.
I simply cannot imagine seeing DT without Portnoy behind the skins. Or buying an album without him, in the same way I cannot imagine the band without JP or JM.
This akin to Neil Peart leaving Rush.
I personally will not be buying anything this incarnation of DT puts out, or going to see them play. I am purist when it comes to this band. My hope is that this will end up being temporary or the rest of the band will come to their senses and take the damn break.
I look forward to James Labrie's new solo album and tour, I look forward to seeing Mike in other projects. But he is the SOUL of DT, and I just cannot imagine seeing this band without him.
Thank you DT for 16 great years. Thank God I got to see them this summer with IM. The last song I ever saw DT play with the first song I saw them play back in 1994 - Pull Me Under.
Perhaps that was prophetic, the cycle is complete.
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This akin to Neil Peart leaving Rush.
No. It really isn't.
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This may have been mentioned elsewhere on the thread, but I'm wondering if the IM tour may have contributed to, or at least hastened, MP's departure. DT wasn't originally scheduled to tour much in 2010, but they had this opportunity that no rational band would pass up. However, MP wants a break from the band, and instead of a break, they get a summer of touring, and then they're in the studio in January.
Perhaps this might all be for the best. Assuming the replacement is as solid of a live player as MP, we might even see the return of the "Evening with" shows, which Portney himself stated he didn't like as much (on the Constant Motion DVD).
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This may have been mentioned elsewhere on the thread, but I'm wondering if the IM tour may have contributed to, or at least hastened, MP's departure. DT wasn't originally scheduled to tour much in 2010, but they had this opportunity that no rational band would pass up. However, MP wants a break from the band, and instead of a break, they get a summer of touring, and then they're in the studio in January.
Perhaps this might all be for the best. Assuming the replacement is as solid of a live player as MP, we might even see the return of the "Evening with" shows, which Portney himself stated he didn't like as much (on the Constant Motion DVD).
Pretty sure MP said they were going to return to the evening with format on the next tour
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I just wanted to lighten things up :(
Bosky, you hurt my feelings saying I was trolling. :(
Okay, understood. But the way I read a few of your posts, it wasn't appreciated, so please tone down things that are obviously going to be sensitive to a lot of users here. This is, after all, a DT forum. That means that whether you or I or anyone else personally feels people are overreacting, this of all places is going to have a large group of people who do take this news very hard, so please be a bit more understanding.
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I have a huge feeling that they will recruit JLB drummer. I also think Mike leaving is no more than an over-dramatized hiatus.
A hiatus just for Mike. I hope so anyway...
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I got a text from my friend in the beginning of today's biology lesson saying this. It completely ruined my day.
Who is going to be the interesting one in the band now? When I saw them live at Progressive Nation, and the sound died multiple times, he saved it all, and he did it so smoothly. The sound for the drums and his mic still worked, so he was the only one who could have done anything, but I honestly can't imagine anyone else doing it. Not nearly as good anyway.
I'm sorry to say it, but it feels like Dream Theater now will become... a fair bit boring. Not completely uninteresting, but they'll be like a pizza with no toppings - still good, but could be better.
I am sad.
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Sad news for sure, but I think this is an opportunity for both MP and DT to become more creative. I think a hiatus would have been good for DT, but I understand why that wouldn't really be finacially possible for most of the members. I'm curoius to see how the next album shakes out. I haven't been huge on the last few, so to me there's really no where to go but up.
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I completely disagree that MP is the only one with much presence on stage, JR and JLB both have a ton of character up there. Plus, we don't know who the new drummer will be yet.
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I'm wondering, what will happen to Ytse Jam Records? There won't probably be new releases now that MP is gone.
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As much as I hate to say this.... I think this is the end for DT. Regardless how great their next album is, their live show will never be the same. Unfortunately that is where's DT's success is. Personally I really don't have a desire to see the again, it will just seem weird. I can't imagine seeing metropolis, or many other songs without MP at the kit. It just seems wrong. Idk, it's gonna take a while to settle in.
I'm very sad and upset about his news, and agree 100% with this post - NO ONE can replace MP live.
100% agreed by me. I can't see how DT can perform with a stranger behind the kit. I was all set to save up and get tickets for every evening with UK date. Now, I honestly don't see me attending any of them. I think DT could lose a hell of a lot of their fanbase over this. Only time will tell.
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Oh My god, what the heck did I just read... :O DT Without MP...I wonder what it will end up like : /
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Roadrunner just posted a DT comment about Mike leaving and then their website crashed. :lol
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I completely disagree that MP is the only one with much presence on stage, JR and JLB both have a ton of character up there. Plus, we don't know who the new drummer will be yet.
JP, yeah, sure, but he doesn't show it much. JLB, maybe, but he doesn't seem to want to show it too much.
Maybe those two will begin taking more space now. Hopefully.
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wow.. can't say im 100% shocked, and the timing was sorta ironic.
wishing Mike the best and hoping the band can keep going forward with quality music ithout him, Im sure they can find a fine drummer to do Mikes part, the writing part going forward will be interesting.
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I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.
....What picture are you talking about?
https://twitpic.com/2gdzo0
I don't see how that pic could have helped anybody predict the future, but whatever.
Gad, like I said in my above port, MP's been saying how much FUN he's been having on this tour. When he posted that pic, he mentioned how the A7X guys have this great comraderie and they have been able to get him out og his hotel room. I think he posted something along those lines when he posted the pic. Reading between the lines, I just knew this was going to affect DT in some way..that's all.
Ah ok. I see where you're coming from. I wasn't trying to be snippy; sorry if I came off that way.
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From Wikipedia:
Michael Stephen Portnoy (born April 20, 1967) is an American drummer primarily known as the former drummer and backing vocalist for the progressive metal band Dream Theater.
Its just really weird reading that...
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What's more weird is seeing his name spelled out in full as Michael. :p
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This akin to Neil Peart leaving Rush.
Neil did leave the band once. After his daughter and wife died. The whole band has said they most likely wouldn't play together every again. And now look what happened. Granted, this is for a completely different reason but I wouldn't be surprised if Mike gets an itching to come back and play with his band. I think he shouldn't have specified that he was leaving, but more of an extended hiatus for an indefinite amount of time.
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Only just found out. As Goon said on Page 1, I don't know why I'm so sad about this as I barely listen to them anymore. But damn, it's really affecting me. :sadpanda:
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Peart did not leave the band. The whole band was on an extended hiatus. If you are gonna say that Peart left the band, the they all left the band, as they never knew if they would play together again or not. In other words, Lee and Lifeson NEVER would have gotten a new drummer and went ahead as Rush without Neil Peart.
I think he shouldn't have specified that he was leaving, but more of an extended hiatus for an indefinite amount of time.
That would be unfair to the rest of the band.
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Exactly. Neil needed a break, so Rush took a break.
In this case, Mike needed a break, but the rest of Dream Theater did not want to take a break.
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Exactly. Neil needed a break, so Rush took a break.
In this case, Mike needed a break, but the rest of Dream Theater did not want to take a break.
True, and considering the boys in Rush have a good 10-15 years on DT, and had way more touring under their belts at the time of Neil's tragedies than what DT has now, they could AFFORD the break. It just so happens that DT really can't right now, considering the economy and the fact that the rest of the band has been on a break since July.
-Marc.
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This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?
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This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?
No.
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I didn't think so.
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Me neither
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This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?
Nah, I think it was just his usual patting himself on the back and letting us all know that he did everything for the band.
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A couple of honest criticisms in retrospect:
1. Why are people blaming the rest of the band for Mike's decision? It was Mike who chose to NEVER TAKE A BREAK. While DT winded down, he committed to tons of other bands and projects; it's his fault that he got burnt out, and nobody should have expected DT to cater to him wanting a break.
2. I think it's a little selfish that Mike would have broken up the band if the others had left. I wonder if that factor has ever kept past members from leaving: because they didn't want to be solely responsible for Mike ending the band. Now that he's gone, and they're still together, I realize that Mike was being a little selfish in that regard.
Still...very excited.
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I didn't read the whole thread, but I did see people mentioning one of Opeth's old drummers, and James LaBrie's drummer. What are the other possible options?
One of my Facebook friends said Joey Jordison... and I know he is involved with Murderdolls (and probably other stuff I'm not aware of), but in all honestly, skill-wise, I think he'd be a worthy replacement. Plus, he's filled in for tons of bands for one-nighters. Yes he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's not really good.
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Joey's personality would not jive with the other DT members at all. Mike's replacement can't just be technically skilled; he'll also have to be someone they can gel with offstage. I just don't see Joey fitting in in that respect.
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I didn't read the whole thread, but I did see people mentioning one of Opeth's old drummers, and James LaBrie's drummer. What are the other possible options?
One of my Facebook friends said Joey Jordison... and I know he is involved with Murderdolls (and probably other stuff I'm not aware of), but in all honestly, skill-wise, I think he'd be a worthy replacement. Plus, he's filled in for tons of bands for one-nighters. Yes he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's not really good.
You should have read the whole thread.
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I didn't read the whole thread, but I did see people mentioning one of Opeth's old drummers, and James LaBrie's drummer. What are the other possible options?
One of my Facebook friends said Joey Jordison... and I know he is involved with Murderdolls (and probably other stuff I'm not aware of), but in all honestly, skill-wise, I think he'd be a worthy replacement. Plus, he's filled in for tons of bands for one-nighters. Yes he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's not really good.
You should have read the whole thread.
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Got the news at work today. A friend texted me with the news and i offcourse couldn't believe him. Reading the statement on mp.com left me absolutely heartbroken. I can't believe this! It's Mike for crying out loud!!
I can't really be mad, because Mike did so much for the band and the fans, but i don't feel sorry for him either. I understand him wanting a break after the INSANE schedule he made for himself this year, but it's completely his own fault, and the rest of the guys shouldn't be forced to sit and wait for him..
I don't really know what to make of this at all.. DT has been one of my favorite bands for the last 10 years, and it's the band i've followed most intensely. For all those years this was the lineup, and it will be pretty damn weird to see it change.
I've managed to come up with some positive things that may happen because of this, but it still feels weird like hell:
- New member and perhaps an outside producer, and no standout-band leader means a more fresh starting point for a new album.
- Maybe some of the old "writing-rules" will disappear, so it'll be easier for JlB and JM to come up with or bring in lyrics, ideas and maybe complete songs. Im definitely seeing the band becoming more of a unit when it comes to writing, instead of JP/JR + MP arranging.
- Mike made every setlist, decided every album-cover and had much to say in the making of dvd's etc. It will be very interesting to see how the band will deal with all this. This can become both positive or negative, off course.
- Now JP is the only main lyricist, maybe we'll see some JR-lyrics?
- I have a distinct feeling that without MP the next album will be much less "metuuul" than SC and BCaSL, something i would be interested in.
Even though, i would much rather have MP in the band, but there's a lot of interesting things this can evolve into.
Still: :(
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Just quoting a post from JLB forum - in case some people haven't seen it. I msut say - I agree with some elements...
With all due respect, I think the burnout that MP talks about, he brought it to himself. He was in FULL DT mode all the time. Why not delegate? I am deeply saddened by MP's departure, but all the side projects and all the commitments that MP brought to himself? If this was MP's baby, he should of prioritize or participate only in one or two projects and focus on Dream Theater. The band was (is) set to return to the studio in Jan 2011 but with Avengefold's tour in Europe early next year, I really think the band couldn't wait to get in DT mode. DT is also the other guys' priorities and that's what making them continue in Dream Theater. I am not attacking MP (we owe him tons of DT stuff), but I understand the other guys' side as well. Also, as I said earlier, DT is on top with its commercial success. I'm pretty sure the IM tour was very successful in getting new fans (and many). Why stop there?
Definitely agree with the first sentence.
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I am still in shock. Got the news a couple of hours ago but haven't been able to post until now.
I concur with what lots of people are saying and, whilst I am obviously sad about MP's departure, I can't help but sympathise with the others and not him.
I don't see why the guy thinks that he can expect everyone else in the band to do things based on his schedule and what he wants to do. I mean I respect how important to DT Mike has been and I will always be a huge fan of his BUT taking on numerous side projects and then telling the other guys that he wants to take a break when they've all been pretty much on a break for the last few months or so and are now ready to get back to DT is pretty out of order.
I've also felt that, I am sure inadvertently, MP has at times been responsible for making others in the band feel less confident than they should (especially JLB). He has consistently dominated the band's process of writing, recording and touring and I feel has undoubtedly stifled other members (apart from probably JP and maybe JR) because of this.
Furthermore MP has, as far as I am aware, been the main driving force of the band in a more 'metal' direction and personally I would like DT to go back down the more 'prog' route again.
Despite all this though I have to confess I am sad to see him go and hope that one day he will return to the band. I wish him the best of luck in his future musical endeavours and am relieved that DT will carry on.
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This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?
It did come across that way to me. I found the tone of his statement quite denigrating and immature. It kind of hurts me to see the statement by Portnoy followed by Rudess's message saying Portnoy was an "incredible talented drummer and supportive friend". Certainly displays the difference in character between them.
Or maybe I'm just interpreting MP's message all wrong.
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Mike and Jordan aren't following each other on twitter. To my knowledge, I am sure they were. Something is just not right here.
I don't believe we are getting the full story.
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I don't believe we are getting the full story.
:lol Of course we're not. That goes without saying.
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This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?
It did come across that way to me. I found the tone of his statement quite denigrating and immature. It kind of hurts me to see the statement by Portnoy followed by Rudess's message saying Portnoy was an "incredible talented drummer and supportive friend". Certainly displays the difference in character between them.
Or maybe I'm just interpreting MP's message all wrong.
I don't know if damning is exactly how I would put it, but there was definitely something there. Everyone has to do what is best for themselves, and I guess that what's happened here. I'll miss Mike, but he isn't the sole reason that I like Dream Theater.
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Cheeky question...
In the slightly contrived scenario that Mike Portnoy were to return, say, seven years down the line, and resume all his previous duties (including setlists), do you reckon he'd put songs from the non-MP period onto the setlists?
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Well you understood where I was coming from!
I personally think MP asked the guys if he could see through 2011 with Avenged and delay the new album. They said no. Mike couldn't accept that and was given an ultimatum, so he left.
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Would MP even be allowed to design the setlists?
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Cheeky question...
In the slightly contrived scenario that Mike Portnoy were to return, say, seven years down the line, and resume all his previous duties (including setlists), do you reckon he'd put songs from the non-MP period onto the setlists?
I think he'll have no choice to do so. You can't just return and pretend that nothing interesting happened during your absence.
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Cheeky question...
In the slightly contrived scenario that Mike Portnoy were to return, say, seven years down the line, and resume all his previous duties (including setlists), do you reckon he'd put songs from the non-MP period onto the setlists?
Mike is a fan's fan. I think he definitely would include those songs. Yes, he has excluded certain songs, but only where he has a specific reason for doing so.
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Cheeky question...
In the slightly contrived scenario that Mike Portnoy were to return, say, seven years down the line, and resume all his previous duties (including setlists), do you reckon he'd put songs from the non-MP period onto the setlists?
I don't see why not. Yes has done it many times over, even though Steve Howe doesn't always enjoy playing Trevor Rabin's parts, but as that band has gone through dozens of roster changes, there's always music from every part of their band's history they're willing to play, even after Jon Anderson left, it opened up the door to play music from their album Drama.
So I don't see why not... Mike might feel a bit odd about it, but I'm sure if the other guys want to play any post-MP songs, they'll do it with him. Especially if something becomes a "hit", either with fans or even in the mainstream.
-Marc.
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I just realized something;
The final official Dream Theater release with Mike on drums was Raw Dog.
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Jon Anderson pretended that the Drama album never happened when he returned to Yes.
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:rollin :rollin
Read the DT last.fm page. (the shoutbox)
https://www.last.fm/music/Dream+Theater
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Jon Anderson pretended that the Drama album never happened when he returned to Yes.
And it's a great album.
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People, do you see the band's statement like if it was written with desesperation, or do you feel it is solid? I mean, do you think they really feel and believe in what they are saying?
In this part:
we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity -- and in the same musical tradition -- that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us. [7quote]
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Not sure if this has been stated yet but...
Drummer Mike Portnoy says that his current involvement with AVENGED SEVENFOLD had nothing to do with his decision to quit DREAM THEATER, the band he formed and led for 25 years. "I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold [AVENGED SEVENFOLD] responsible for MY decision... They are just as shocked as you guys," Mike writes on his Facebook page. He adds, "I had been contemplating this and desiring a 'break' (not split) [from DREAM THEATER] as long ago as last year. Everything else is fully explained in the press release" that Mike issued yesterday announcing his split from DREAM THEATER. Portnoy continues, "Thank you all for your support and understanding... This is the hardest thing I've ever done."
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You know, I had a feeling that this ridiculous A7X gig would have undesired consequences . . . if he had decided to take time off like the rest of the band after the Maiden tour, he probably wouldn't be feeling "burned out". Oh well, maybe the guys will be forced to get super-creative and will release a great record. As long as JP is in the mix, I remain confident in them. Looking forward to JLB hopefully writing his own vocal melodies.
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People, do you see the band's statement like if it was written with desesperation, or do you feel it is solid? I mean, do you think they really feel and believe in what they are saying?
In this part:
we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity -- and in the same musical tradition -- that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Well it'd be hard for them to lie there
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People, do you see the band's statement like if it was written with desesperation, or do you feel it is solid? I mean, do you think they really feel and believe in what they are saying?
In this part:
we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity -- and in the same musical tradition -- that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm sure it is sincere. I think they have every intention of going into the studio in January and putting out a new album. But I have no idea whether there is any agreement on whether or not the band is committed to staying together in the long term or not. After fullfilling their contractual obligation with Roadrunner for one more album, I wouldn't be surprised by either them throwing in the towel or getting another contract together for more albums. I think it's just way too early to tell.
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People, do you see the band's statement like if it was written with desesperation, or do you feel it is solid? I mean, do you think they really feel and believe in what they are saying?
In this part:
we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity -- and in the same musical tradition -- that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm sure it is sincere. I think they have every intention of going into the studio in January and putting out a new album. But I have no idea whether there is any agreement on whether or not the band is committed to staying together in the long term or not. After fullfilling their contractual obligation with Roadrunner for one more album, I wouldn't be surprised by either them throwing in the towel or getting another contract together for more albums. I think it's just way too early to tell.
What I meant is exactly the last part of your response. I'm afraid. I don't want to see that statement just with the business pov. I hope they are saying that because they want to continue as a band, for the music and because they have a lot to say, not because "we have to say this cause we have a contract".
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DT may never bring Mike back. While my first response was anger/sadness/etc... I am now in 'acceptance' mode and reconsidering my harsh approach.
It's going to be a new era, Mike will be missed, but there is a possibility DT will continue their success and grow even bigger.
Plenty of bands have lost 'key' members and continued on to bigger success or at least kept the same level: AC/DC, Van Halen, Alice in Chains to name a few.
It's not the 'end of the world' for DT, but its a huge change and they better NAIL the first album without Mike or they will be toast.
I know Mike said not to blame A7X, but come on, the lure of those paychecks must be pretty appealing. If he writes on their next album, he stands to make a bundle as well.
It's the end of an era, no doubt about that. Very, very few bands thrive or even survive at the level they were at without a key member. If any band can do it - it's DT.
We all know what will happen most likely; both Mike and DT will stumble around for a few years and then Mike will come back and it will be a huge resurgence for the band.
Anyway, let's give the other guys a chance with album 11, we own them that much at least.
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I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans. I supose they knew all this about MP in these past months and this is not new for them, so I hope they were thinking about DT without MP since some weeks ago.
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I don't like how Mike want us to show Avenged respect.
Especially, when the father of one of their members blurts out saying "it looks like Mike has left DT and is joining A7X full-time."
Found that very disrespectful.
Brian Haner - I guess Mike is out of DT and staying with A7X. Tough decision. Wow. Great news for A7X fans. In my opinion, he is simply the only man on the planet who could take the Rev's place, (at least from a technical perspective - which begs the question, who does DT get to replace Mike???). Alas, not so great news for DT fans ...who will no doubt blame A7X.
After spending a week on the bus with the guys, I'm not surprised. He is now family. And family is what you need after suffering tragedy. God bless you, Mike!
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I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans.
No they don't. And if they're smart, they won't. They can't possibly know what their long-term plans are on any concrete level, so it would be quite dumb for them to try to be more specific only to have the information change at some point down the line. They've said exactly what they needed to say, and said it in a classy way that shows care and concern for (1) the band, (2) the fans, and (3) Mike Portnoy. That's really all anyone can ask.
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I don't like how Mike want us to show Avenged respect.
Especially, when the father of one of their members blurts out saying "it looks like Mike has left DT and is joining A7X full-time."
Found that very disrespectful.
Brian Haner - I guess Mike is out of DT and staying with A7X. Tough decision. Wow. Great news for A7X fans. In my opinion, he is simply the only man on the planet who could take the Rev's place, (at least from a technical perspective - which begs the question, who does DT get to replace Mike???). Alas, not so great news for DT fans ...who will no doubt blame A7X.
After spending a week on the bus with the guys, I'm not surprised. He is now family. And family is what you need after suffering tragedy. God bless you, Mike!
??? How on earth is that disrespectful?
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But now everybody is gonna say stupid things without knowing, that's why I said it's better to explain a little more their plans.
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I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans.
No they don't. And if they're smart, they won't. They can't possibly know what their long-term plans are on any concrete level, so it would be quite dumb for them to try to be more specific only to have the information change at some point down the line. They've said exactly what they needed to say, and said it in a classy way that shows care and concern for (1) the band, (2) the fans, and (3) Mike Portnoy. That's really all anyone can ask.
I agree with this. I do, however, hope that they say something about the new drummer. A simple "We have somebody / We don't have somebody" would suffice. A "We have a few people to ask / We will hold auditions" would also be good.
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I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans.
No they don't. And if they're smart, they won't. They can't possibly know what their long-term plans are on any concrete level, so it would be quite dumb for them to try to be more specific only to have the information change at some point down the line. They've said exactly what they needed to say, and said it in a classy way that shows care and concern for (1) the band, (2) the fans, and (3) Mike Portnoy. That's really all anyone can ask.
I agree with this. I do, however, hope that they say something about the new drummer. A simple "We have somebody / We don't have somebody" would suffice. A "We have a few people to ask / We will hold auditions" would also be good.
This. At least something, you know. If not, it's gonna be a fucking circle of rumours.
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OMFG just when I thought this day couldn't get any worse... I come home to find this?!?
There are no words to describe the sick, sinking feeling in my stomach and in my heart. I'm going to go cry now. Seriously. This can't be happening. WTF???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:'(
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To me, it is someone jumping the gun. Did Mike say he was joining Avenged? No. Is it inevitable? Kind of. But still you don't say stuff like that less than 24 hours after Mike left Dream Theater. This may sound like me spitting my dummy out, but it is not a respectful comment to say.
I wouldn't dump a girl I was going out with for a long time, to get involved with a girl I had known for a few months, the next day.
It is just like...Woah! Let it settle before you make allegations.
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I don't have any inside knowledge on the situation, but I am pretty sure they have no idea right now who is going to fill in. They may not know that for quite some time. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they ended up having someone sit in as a session drummer in January that isn't ultimately made a permanent member. The drummer spot is a lot more critical in DT than your average metal band, and it'll probably take a while to find the right fit. They've got to get somebody with the chops to play DT's stuff, which isn't easy, and who is a good singer. Not to mention, I'm sure they'll want the right chemistry. Granted, they may already have someone in mind. But it wouldn't surprise me if it takes quite a while.
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I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans.
No they don't. And if they're smart, they won't. They can't possibly know what their long-term plans are on any concrete level, so it would be quite dumb for them to try to be more specific only to have the information change at some point down the line. They've said exactly what they needed to say, and said it in a classy way that shows care and concern for (1) the band, (2) the fans, and (3) Mike Portnoy. That's really all anyone can ask.
I agree with this. I do, however, hope that they say something about the new drummer. A simple "We have somebody / We don't have somebody" would suffice. A "We have a few people to ask / We will hold auditions" would also be good.
Honestly, I think the auditions will be after the writing stage, i.e. after JP+JR wrote all songs together (I'm sure JR can whip some drum tracks together). So, don't expect to hear anything until early next year.
rumborak
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That's what I'm saying though: It would be nice if they at least told us if they DEFINITELY had somebody in mind, or if they DIDN'T DEFINITELY have someone in mind. It's the kind of information that would be nice to know.
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It is actually his own fault. He decided to do all the other projects plus tour while the rest of the guys were taking a break.
I wish him the best of luck and a great R&R that he long needed. next time don't over do it.
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I don't have any inside knowledge on the situation, but I am pretty sure they have no idea right now who is going to fill in. They may not know that for quite some time. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they ended up having someone sit in as a session drummer in January that isn't ultimately made a permanent member. The drummer spot is a lot more critical in DT than your average metal band, and it'll probably take a while to find the right fit. They've got to get somebody with the chops to play DT's stuff, which isn't easy, and who is a good singer. Not to mention, I'm sure they'll want the right chemistry. Granted, they may already have someone in mind. But it wouldn't surprise me if it takes quite a while.
I don't think it would hurt to look into getting a new drummer permanently and a background vocalist for touring.
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That's what I'm saying though: It would be nice if they at least told us if they DEFINITELY had somebody in mind, or if they DIDN'T DEFINITELY have someone in mind. It's the kind of information that would be nice to know.
Give them some time
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This is EXACTLY what I was freaking out about when he started playing/recording with A7X.
This is a terrible day for the music industry.
This. Nothing less than this.
Playing with A7X was NEVER a good idea.
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This is EXACTLY what I was freaking out about when he started playing/recording with A7X.
This is a terrible day for the music industry.
This. Nothing less than this.
Playing with A7X was NEVER a good idea.
True, but the problem was that he felt the necessity of playing with that band too. That was the problem.
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It's not the 'end of the world' for DT, but its a huge change and they better NAIL the first album without Mike or they will be toast.
True. They have to get off to a good start. Think about it this way . . . we're now technically awaiting a new Images & Words.
This could be spectacular o_O
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I've never been so down about a band. I'm honestly depressed...
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I've never been so down about a band. I'm honestly depressed...
You're certainly not alone.
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In a recent interview, Portnoy seemed annoyed with James or his vocals. Does anyone remember this interview? I can't find it, but I remember it.
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All I know is the next pressing of Lifting Shadows should be quite a read.
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In a recent interview, Portnoy seemed annoyed with James or his vocals. Does anyone remember this interview? I can't find it, but I remember it.
I vaguely remember something like this. Has MP ever considered that people might perform better if he gets off their back about things?
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it's also one of the worst songs conceived.
You have to love MP's solo in the song, I would love to see that live. It is one of his best.
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All I know is the next pressing of Lifting Shadows should be quite a read.
....
:caffeine:
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This will all blow over once the dust settles. MP will finish his tour with A7X. He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family. He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.
On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times. Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless. I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11. It’s simply just not enough time. Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie. I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would be easier by any means. I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.
I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year. 1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be. 2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime. Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months. We all know that DT has taken short breaks before. Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January. It’s too soon.
Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now. Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument. In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.
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Pretty solid post there dubla. Sounds very logical and could actually happen. I can just see John Petrucci going - "what the fuck have we come to? We worked our asses off for 25 years to end on a sour note."
Wishful thinking, maybe, maybe not.
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I'm 100% sure there has to be more to his decisions on leaving. It really doesn't make sense as the reasons he talks about were created from the decisions he made. I still don't know what to make about the whole thing. I do look forward to the new DT though, but at the same time DT will never be the same without MP. Only thing we can do now is wait.
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Oh. Holy. Shit.
I was browsing the comments about this on Fark just now and someone made the following post, to which I LITERALLY lol'd:
Is he going to get a stage name now, like the rest of the A7X guys?
Because that would make their liner notes ridiculous:
M. Dragonslayer - Vocals
Zippie Evilpants - Guitar
Syntax Darkness - Lead Guitar
Johnny HocusPocus - Bass
Mark Portnoy - Drums
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I hope it's just Mark Portnoy :lol
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Newsweek chimes in and gets it wrong. (https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/backstage-pass-1.811987/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater-for-avenged-sevenfold-1.2274103)
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Newsweek chimes in and gets it wrong. (https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/backstage-pass-1.811987/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater-for-avenged-sevenfold-1.2274103)
James007 chimes in and gets his source wrong.
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Newsweek chimes in and gets it wrong. (https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/backstage-pass-1.811987/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater-for-avenged-sevenfold-1.2274103)
James007 chimes in and gets his source wrong.
Dammit! LOL!
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WTF
This is a pretty shitty birthday present.
Agreed.
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Sorry your birthdays were ruined, Hef and Lonestar.
So wait, do we actually have official confirmation that Mike left and is drumming with A7X permanently, or just for a European tour that goes past January 2011 or what?
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Nothing about A7X.
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The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.
lolol
True, that song left a lot to be disired.
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Nothing about A7X.
I didn't think so. Just a lot of bloggers/"news sources" talking about how he's joining A7X and I didn't see any official sources saying that. Just making sure.
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Not only is this a pivotal day in the history of Dream Theater, but also, I think, it's a pivotal day in the history of this forum. Never before have I seen it so active in terms of new topics, speculation and hopes/fears for the future. It has been a truly interesting experience coming here today and reading fans' opinions of this seismic event.
I really do hope everything turns out well in DT World. Let's keep the dream alive! :metal
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Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.
Good to hear. Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here"), so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine. I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.
Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way). Ya know? :)
Not true dude, Mike and John have been the main creative writing team, especially since 6DOIT.
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I cried while listening to ACOS :sadpanda:
I agree it's no Octavarium, but it's not that bad !
ACOS is amazing. I personally rank it higher than 8varium.
lol I'm so pathetic and depressed right now. I can't seem to suck it up and move on like the lot of you. I can't imagine how things are going to work. :(
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these are the numbers from MP's forum right now
There are 80 members and 44829 guests.
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What the fucking fuck!?!?
When is dream theater's funeral? id like to pay my respects
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these are the numbers from MP's forum right now
There are 80 members and 44829 guests.
"Most users ever online was 977687 at Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:18 PM"
Somehow I don't think that's accurate.
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What the fucking fuck!?!?
When is dream theater's funeral? id like to pay my respects
What's up Chris? Finally decided to post? :loser:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI
Jordan "speaks"
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This will all blow over once the dust settles. MP will finish his tour with A7X. He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family. He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.
On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times. Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless. I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11. It’s simply just not enough time. Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie. I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means. I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.
I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year. 1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be. 2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime. Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months. We all know that DT has taken short breaks before. Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January. It’s too soon.
Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now. Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument. In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.
You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI
Jordan "speaks"
Wow.
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Now that my thoughts have been rationalized, I'm better with it. I was in a complete depression last night as MP is one of my biggest idols as a drummer but it's out of our hands and all we can hope for is he comes back or we at least get a great album from the guys.
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MP just tweeted this
https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI
Jordan "speaks"
I really love this man.
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Than you Jordan, thank you. THANK YOU.
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MP just tweeted this
https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html
anybody checking that out? is MP saying something through that guy?
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Oh my god. JR is so fucking amazing.
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Who needs drums when you have Jordans wonderful piece. That will probably end up on the album.
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yeah lol. im in econ now... still cant believe it
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Who needs drums when you have Jordans wonderful piece. That will probably end up on the album.
Would be epic.
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yeah lol. im in econ now... still cant believe it
I'm kind of hopeful for the future though. Mike was king of holding them back in a way, so I'm looking forward to what Petrucci can do (since he is the only primary songwriter left). Also, I hop Myung can write more because everything he does is :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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MP just tweeted this
https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html
anybody checking that out? is MP saying something through that guy?
I have the uneasy feeling that this whole thing could turn very ugly... I'm reminded of Pink Floyd. Roger Waters left just figuring the band would dissolve, but when they actually carried on he couldn't stand it and things went so poorly from there. I hope that doesn't happen here.
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MP just tweeted this
https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html
anybody checking that out? is MP saying something through that guy?
Maybe I'm just being picky, maybe I'm not seeing straight seeing as it's all still new news... but does posting that link on his twitter come across as slightly bad form to anyone else?
"Check this out, this guy reckons the band I just left will flounder and says how I'm all important 'n' shiz - how cool is that!?"
I'm certain it's not the reason he posted it. He was probably just psyched to see people saying nice things about him. But it comes across a little bit schadenfreudy.
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Than you Jordan, thank you. THANK YOU.
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:hefdaddy
EDIT: I don't know, Rob. You may be giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he's fully aware of how perceptions work..
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yeah but he was responsible for the whole band. he had to be the leader, manager, accountant, whatever. he did it all and it burnt him out
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yeah but he was responsible for the whole band. he had to be the leader, manager, accountant, whatever. he did it all and it burnt him out
I'm sure they will be alright. They just need a new "frontman" to step up and be the leader of the band in the same way Mike was. Maybe Petrucci?
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Vlasto's watching us :omg:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI
Jordan "speaks"
such a classy act...Thanks, Jordan :)
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Question remains....
will MP change his twitter account?
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Vlasto's watching us :omg:
yes, but this is definetely NOT a happy vlasto day !.
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Vlasto's watching us :omg:
yes, but this is definetely NOT a happy vlasto day !.
:(
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I'd rather see JLB step up as the frontman. I enjoy reading JLB interviews a lot more than Mike interviews.
And that JR piece was great! Hopefully we see more of that stuff in the new DT. Not as much overplaying from him either.
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I'd actually rather see JLB as the frontman too, but at this point he doesn't really contribute much to the band in terms of songwriting, so I can't really see that happening. Petrucci seems more likely to step up, imo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI
Jordan "speaks"
:D :smiley: :-\ :( :'( ;D
In that order.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI
Jordan "speaks"
:D :smiley: :-\ :( :'( ;D
In that order.
I'd add a :( with that last chord he plays. I had never heard something like that coming from Jordan before, you can tell he is really sad.
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This will all blow over once the dust settles. MP will finish his tour with A7X. He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family. He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.
On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times. Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless. I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11. It’s simply just not enough time. Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie. I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means. I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.
I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year. 1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be. 2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime. Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months. We all know that DT has taken short breaks before. Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January. It’s too soon.
Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now. Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument. In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.
You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.
You don't know that for sure. Nobody does, and that was the reason for my post. Time changes a lot of things that can't be predicted by anyone. That's why I mentioned the time frame out to 12 months because nobody knows what will happen or how things may change. Only time can sort this out and a lot of people are getting up in arms prematurely. This is not a time to get pissed off because we don't know how this will pan out in the coming months.
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I can see JLB stepping up in terms of Media & talking about DT, but Petrucci in songwriting. Most of my Favorite songs are by Petrucci anyways.
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Terrible news.
MP's tweets over the last few weeks have mentioned DT now and then. One the other day was about him having a tatoo being done on a tour bus at 3.30am and that "this would never happen in DT". Maybe he wants to experience music and the all that comes with it with a new outlook.
Hopefully some Transatlantic soon (without a 10 year gap) but does this also mean the end of any Liquid Tension Experiment.
As others have said maybe they all need a break from each other and get it together again down the road.
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This will all blow over once the dust settles. MP will finish his tour with A7X. He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family. He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.
On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times. Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless. I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11. It’s simply just not enough time. Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie. I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means. I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.
I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year. 1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be. 2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime. Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months. We all know that DT has taken short breaks before. Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January. It’s too soon.
Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now. Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument. In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.
You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.
You don't know that for sure.
And neither do you. Let's leave it at that.
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Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January. It’s too soon.
Well, if Avenged Sevenfold was capable of doing that, why do you think a professional band like Dream Theater wouldn't be able to pull it off? That's an option I'd for one like to see the most - the band starting to work on the new album in January with a new drummer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI
Jordan "speaks"
This was wonderful, but the last chord sent chills down my spine. I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean. I'd still like to read some words from Petrucci, though... JMX will most likely remain silent about this, I wonder if they even told him that Mike left the band. :lol
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I wonder if they even told him that Mike left the band. :lol
If this is the case, then Dream Theater has more serious problems than just Portnoy leaving...
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JMX is still in his cave. Practicing.
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I wonder what Kevin Moore has to say about this.
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:splodetard:
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I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.
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I really enjoyed that piece by JR and somehow can imagine it getting a full-band treatment. Would be cool.
I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.
:puke:
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Get Eric Singer
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Listening to Scenes right now. I love how musical his parts are. I'm really going to miss him.
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Two words: Martin. Lopez.
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Two other words: Highly. Unlikely.
For clarification: I can see him having the playing abilities, but apparently, his anxiety issues would be a serious problem when it comes to touring. I don't think that DT would take that risk.
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I've now had 13 hours to try and digest what has happened and it's still stuck in my throat. MP has made his decision. Nothing lasts forever and all good things must come to an end. Basically we can either like it or lump it. As much as i know he will regret it for the rest of his life it is his choice. In my opinion something more has happened behind the scenes that we will probably never get to know about. Right now, i cant think of any other drummer who could offer DT the passion and commitment that mike has given the fans and the band over the last 25 years. As for MP coming back, I think he would need to change his mind pretty damn quickly. I hope he does. Mike, all the very best.
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Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
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Everybody seems to think there's an ulterior motive. That isn't out of the question, but why is that a necessity? This could very well go exactly as he said it did.
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Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Are you stalking my last.fm? I'm listening that song right now...
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I wonder what Jimmie Nicol is doing?
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Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Are you stalking my last.fm? I'm listening that song right now...
As I am
As am I
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I'm sad. Being a fan for 14 or so years, i just can't picture them without MP, but I do have to say that I listen to earlier songs more than last few albums and if this had to be done (Mike leaving) for them to return to their roots (and JM starts writing songs again!!!) this is a good thing.
just read on wiki: Mike and his wife Marlene (née Apuzzo) are currently living in suburban Philadelphia with their children, Melody Ruthandrea and Max John. Marlene used to be a guitarist in the all-female band Meanstreak, and two of the other members, guitarist Rena Sands and bassist Lisa Martens, are married to Dream Theater guitarist John Petrucci and bassist John Myung, respectively.
And I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that Mike & JP got a abit wasted after all the talk and Mike said: "but if I ever wanna come back John,..." :heart
call me weird but I still see doors open to Mike come back one day if band keeps going on!
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Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Are you stalking my last.fm? I'm listening that song right now...
As I am
As am I
Nuggetz?
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I...don't know what to feel about this. I just don't see DT being the same ever again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI
Jordan "speaks"
Stunning.
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Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Are you stalking my last.fm? I'm listening that song right now...
As I am
As am I
Nuggetz?
Chicken nuggetz. Yum.
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I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.
:puke:
They could also hire a therapist so they can let out their anger on the next album in healthy ways. Try to sonically and lyrically show how they feel. I'm sure it'll be a hit.
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My biggest grudge isn't the fact that he left, its that there's a huge possibility that he WILL join Avenged Sevenfold.
Dont get me up, I cry into my pillow because he left, but I'm more scared of the fact that he may join what will probably be the next Metallica and ruin his reputation in my books.
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I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.
:puke:
They could also hire a therapist so they can let out their anger on the next album in healthy ways. Try to sonically and lyrically show how they feel. I'm sure it'll be a hit.
Their next album is going to be Wrath Town, then?
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I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.
:puke:
They could also hire a therapist so they can let out their anger on the next album in healthy ways. Try to sonically and lyrically show how they feel. I'm sure it'll be a hit.
Maybe they can make a documentary about it?
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I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.
:puke:
They could also hire a therapist so they can let out their anger on the next album in healthy ways. Try to sonically and lyrically show how they feel. I'm sure it'll be a hit.
Maybe they can make a documentary about it?
I think they should just have the new drummer scream "FUUUUUUUUUUUCK" into a microphone, and make him record the next album with no snares on.
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You saw it here first: DT's next album Wrath Town will be the next St Anger.
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:lol
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Terrible news.
MP's tweets over the last few weeks have mentioned DT now and then. One the other day was about him having a tatoo being done on a tour bus at 3.30am and that "this would never happen in DT". Maybe he wants to experience music and the all that comes with it with a new outlook.
Mike leaving DT can be very easily summed based on that experience;
Mid-life Crisis.
Simple as that. He is playing with younger guys, partying probably, seeing what a popular American band pulls in money wise, seeing the groupies (which DT doesn't get). Heck I'm 42, if someone offered me a new job hanging with a bunch of 20 somethings, more money, and tons of groupies it might be fun for awhile.
I mean a 40-something father getting a tattoo on a tour bus at 3:30am? Come on, that's just pathetic.
DT never experienced the bombastic, groupie filled world that most rock bands enjoy. All married young, kids, and a mostly male crowd until recently.
Someday Mike is going to look back at this decision and see it for what it really is about. Psychoanalyze his statement, this is a mid-life crisis - no doubt in my mind.
If it really was about time off, he could have worked it out with the band. Or stated he will record, but sit the tour out. Honestly a compromise could have been reached.
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I don't know why you guys think he'll join A7X. He says is his letter that he has more fun playing side projects, it would be very surprising if he joined another full time band.
Pretty weird, I had my iTunes on shuffle and it played two drumless DT songs. :-\
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I just thought of something - we're never going to get an official live release of the last DT tour with Mike Portnoy... ever.
-Marc.
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You know what's strange? This is the possibly biggest blow in the band's entire 25 year history. And we're all here to witness it first hand. And strangely, most of us are remaining optimistic and have no intentions to abandon the band.
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You know what's strange? This is the possibly biggest blow in the band's entire 25 year history. And we're all here to witness it first hand. And strangely, most of us are remaining optimistic and have no intentions to abandon the band.
No way man. I can't listen to a band this much then just up and leave. I'll definitely be anticipating the next release.
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"What would you say if I walked away?"
Well Mike, I hope we have all answered your question.
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It sounds to me like "Mike leaves DT" is only half-accurate. He does make it sound like it was mutual...or almost mutual.
He did want a break, they didn't want to give him one, so this is the outcome. Styx did the same thing with Dennis DeYoung; Journey did the same thing with Steve Perry. Everyone thought that would be the end of them, but they're still doing their respective things.
It does feel like a relationship in my life has ended, though. I guess I should have done the meet and greet last year when I wanted to.
Very sad news.
By the way, when exactly did this happen? I haven't been on much and I just read it on myspace 5 minutes ago.
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im optimistic because JP is still there. i dont know what i would do if he left
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Mike's last interview
https://vimeo.com/14827294
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So I heard this news this morning, and have been digesting it at work all day. Was a pretty shitty day of work, which didn't help. My first thoughts were actually pretty positive, as I too am interested to see where this will take DT for future records. The lack of 'balls' will definately be a good thing. Then as the day grew on I realised I'm really going to miss MP. DT are the band that got me into prog rock and really into complex music in general, and his drumming was a big part of that initial love affair. Then to see the article he linked to on his FB page, about how DT has lost it's 'heart,' made me feel really disappointed in him. I'll still follow what he does now and in the future, but I hope it all doesn't decend into a nasty slagging match between him and the other members of DT, as i don't think many fans would take his side.
I'll definately be wearing a DT shirt when I see Sevenfold next month
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Some interesting things over on MP's forum
According some users there, the last three posts by the user Rainee are actually JP's wife. Not sure if it's true, but if they are... very interesting indeed.
https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5 (https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5)
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If that is her...
In the words of the famous Joker.
Here. We. Go.
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Some interesting things over on MP's forum
According some users there, the last three posts by the user Rainee are actually JP's wife. Not sure if it's true, but if they are... very interesting indeed.
https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5 (https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5)
Yeah, that's definitely Rena. She's been a poster on there for a while. Like, years. She reported when JP's grandma died.
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Did she just say that MP only wrote New Millennium?
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God damn. This is making me sad.
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Than I definately think there was an argument, and not sure if anyone else felt it, Rena isn't liking MP too much anymore
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I don't know how smart pointing out how little contribution to FII Mike had is. I mean, that album is always regarded as the stinker in the discography. Are we supposed to get excited that we may get something more in that vain? :lol
That being said, I have total confidence that the next record will be good. More contributions from Myung and LaBrie are hopefully in order, and there's the always talented team of the bear and the wizard. I'm really excited to see where they take it. I wouldn't be apposed to commercial appeal. I guess I wonder if the metal will be taken down a notch. They've made it seem that John is just as responsible for that direction as Mike (as far as his riffing style goes). I hope they keep it heavy, but maybe take stab at more concise songs and work with a producer.
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Some interesting things over on MP's forum
According some users there, the last three posts by the user Rainee are actually JP's wife. Not sure if it's true, but if they are... very interesting indeed.
https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5 (https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5)
Very interesting.
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Claws are out.
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yes, that is his wife.
gonna get ugly
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I hate this. Not MP leaving the band, the subsequent mess that's following.
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I just don't want it to come down to me choosing sides. Although, I think I already have my mind made up if it were to happen
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Ruh roh.
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Well, now we know what it was like when Roger Waters left Pink Floyd.
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This is making me lol
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Your mom makes me lol
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Well, now we know what it was like when Roger Waters left Pink Floyd.
At least so far there doesn't seem to be any fight brewing over the use of the 'Dream Theater' name.
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I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
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Well, now we know what it was like when Roger Waters left Pink Floyd.
At least so far there doesn't seem to be any fight brewing over the use of the 'Dream Theater' name.
lol.....yet!! If things get nasty (which i'm sure they won't) then who knows what could happen with regards to the name.
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Things are getting just a little bit scary...
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Your mom makes me lol
YEAH WELL
YOUR MOM
lol
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I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
To me, it sounds like Rena is upset with MP and is showing her true feelings about MP getting credit
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This will all blow over once the dust settles. MP will finish his tour with A7X. He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family. He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.
On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times. Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless. I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11. It’s simply just not enough time. Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie. I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means. I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.
I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year. 1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be. 2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime. Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months. We all know that DT has taken short breaks before. Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January. It’s too soon.
Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now. Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument. In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.
You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.
You don't know that for sure.
And neither do you. Let's leave it at that.
I never said I knew anything for sure. You did. Let's leave it at that. :p
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All of this attempted interpretation of tweets/statements/dissonant piano chords is a sign of frustration over the uncertainty of the future. It's only been 24 hours since the news broke; maybe we oughta wait a couple weeks/months before we determine that there is a fallout between MP and the rest of DT.
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This will all blow over once the dust settles. MP will finish his tour with A7X. He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family. He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.
On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times. Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless. I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11. It’s simply just not enough time. Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie. I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means. I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.
I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year. 1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be. 2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime. Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months. We all know that DT has taken short breaks before. Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January. It’s too soon.
Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now. Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument. In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.
You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.
You don't know that for sure.
And neither do you. Let's leave it at that.
I never said I knew anything for sure. You did. Let's leave it at that. :p
Nope, you definitely did. I bolded what you were stating as fact.
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no point in arguing amongst ourselves. It's starting to get a bit ridiculous now.
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I just don't want it to come down to me choosing sides. Although, I think I already have my mind made up if it were to happen
Out of curiousity, who'd you pick?
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I'm with DT. I know you didn't ask but I'm saying it anyway. You?
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All of this attempted interpretation of tweets/statements/dissonant piano chords is a sign of frustration over the uncertainty of the future. It's only been 24 hours since the news broke; maybe we oughta wait a couple weeks/months before we determine that there is a fallout between MP and the rest of DT.
Welcome to DTF where everything said/done by the band and its members get over-analyzed to the point of nausea
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I am Team DT too! A single person is not bigger than a band.
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I'm with DT. I know you didn't ask but I'm saying it anyway. You?
DT, and based on current developments, definitely DT.
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I think it'll still be heavy considering JLB and Myung like heavy stuff. It's a shock, but it was for the better. He could've stayed but DT most likely Would've been over if he did. that's what i get from his letter
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There is enough room in the world (and on your iPods) for both DT and whatever projects MP embarks on. Dream Theater is not just Portnoy's drums; it's Petrucci's guitar, Rudess' (and if you go further back, Sherinian's and Moore's) keyboard, Myung's bass, and LaBrie's vocals. Just because their drummer has left doesn't mean the whole DT sound has gone forever.
So I'm sticking with DT and Portnoy. I'll admit I'm not that big on A7X, but I love Transatlantic and hope they'll bring out more material in the future.
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A single person is not bigger than a band.
What about Luciano Pavarotti?
:neverusethis:
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I had to come out of lurking for this news, quite shocking indeed. I was a bit upset at first, but I'm definitely looking forward to DT's music in the future now (not that I have anything against MP, but it's sure to be something different).
And I'll always stick with DT. Agreed with RoeDent though, there's room for both.
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I'm with DT. I know you didn't ask but I'm saying it anyway. You?
I'm DT.
MP, even before this, was getting just too annoying for me and his 180 in personality (I always felt he became different during SC and BC&SL, and his overall metal attitude, was not something I was into.)
He's living his dream right now of being a true rockstar, and I'm happy for him. However, I feel that DT has their mindset balanced. Right now, I don't feel like MP is in the right mindset. Just like your thread 73109, MP's in his midlife crisis.
Sorry if this post is moderatable or you guys don't agree with it. I just feel like this right now
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A single person is not bigger than a band.
What about Luciano Pavarotti?
:neverusethis:
BWAHAHAHA, ten points to you sir :rollin
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Team DT vs. Team Portnoy
Hopefully its more interesting than Team Edward vs. Team Jacob or whatever the hell their names are.
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Team DT vs. Team Portnoy
Hopefully its more interesting than Team Edward vs. Team Jacob or whatever the hell their names are.
I hope you know this from the Burger King commercial. :laugh:
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Yeah, I don't.
???
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I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
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I'm on Team Coco.
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I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
I just think he'd let his son do what the fuck he wants to do.
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I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
Maybe him leaving DT is, in some way, part of his grieving process. He also recently lost his dog, Bongo. You never completely get over losses like that.
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I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
I just think he'd let his son do what the fuck he wants to do.
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I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
I just think he'd let his son do what the fuck he wants to do.
Yeah, what does that have to do with anything?
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Absolutely nothing.
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Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on
No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.
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I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
I just think he'd let his son do what the fuck he wants to do.
True. I just was thinking how cool it was how close they were and how open they were with each other. I was just thinking it would be interesting to imagine the two talking about leaving DT and how they would discuss with each other.
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Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on
No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.
Indeed - They still have a bear, a wizard, and a pirate. Sounds like a good joke...
"A wizard, a pirate and a bear walk into a bar..."
-Marc.
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Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on
No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.
Indeed - They still have a bear, a wizard, and a pirate. Sounds like a good joke...
"A wizard, a pirate and a bear walk into a bar..."
-Marc.
Sounds like the next instalment of The Chronicles Of Narnia :lol
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And I really hope this forum doesn't descend into a DT v MP debate/battle. It's a Dream Theater forum, the focus should stay on DT.
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Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on
No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.
Indeed - They still have a bear, a wizard, and a pirate. Sounds like a good joke...
"A wizard, a pirate and a bear walk into a bar..."
-Marc.
And this ninja dude says...
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Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on
No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.
Indeed - They still have a bear, a wizard, and a pirate. Sounds like a good joke...
"A wizard, a pirate and a bear walk into a bar..."
-Marc.
And this ninja dude says...
" "
-Marc.
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I just hope their friendships remain intact or strengthen. Being best friends for 25 years and for it to end over him leaving the band would be terrible.
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This is a sad day.. Mike Portnoy leaving? Wow, I can't wrap my head around that.. I ended up spending the day making a tribute-video with myself playing "Best Of Times". Would love it if some of you would check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fXQzLVP8x4
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Hey I'm Sean. I'm the guy with the huge DT logo tattooed on my back (https://www.myspace.com/dreamtheater/photos/30554725). This news of MP leaving is devastating to me. I depend on DT to keep me sane. The thought of MP staying permanent in A7X is like pouring salt on my wounds.
Anyway, I created a Facebook group for us to mourn and petition for MP to come back: https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124638157587159
The website ComeBackMikePortnoy.com will be coming soon. Maybe if 100,000 fans let him know that we will NOT be supporting him on A7X and that he's being short sighted and not thinking clearly, maybe just maybe he'll go back to DT. Wishful thinking at best, I suppose, but knowing him and his obsession with PR and marketing, I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is a giant PR stunt which will end with a DT/A7X tour where he announces his return.
Please join the group. I'm not trying to steal members off this board by any means so please keep discussions here. I was just hoping we could all say a few words to MP on the FB page.
Peace~
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Yeah...no.
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Yeah...no.
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Yeah...no.
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Yeah...no.
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I hate changes.
But please don't petition anything. That is just wrong. We don't own Mike Portnoy.
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I'm sad he's leaving, but I'm not going to try and convince him to stay active with Dream Theater if he doesn't want to. We can't force him to want to be where we might be happier. It's his and the remaining band members lives, not ours.
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Hey I'm Sean. I'm the guy with the huge DT logo tattooed on my back (https://www.myspace.com/dreamtheater/photos/30554725). This news of MP leaving is devastating to me. I depend on DT to keep me sane. The thought of MP staying permanent in A7X is like pouring salt on my wounds.
Anyway, I created a Facebook group for us to mourn and petition for MP to come back: https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124638157587159
The website ComeBackMikePortnoy.com will be coming soon. Maybe if 100,000 fans let him know that we will NOT be supporting him on A7X and that he's being short sighted and not thinking clearly, maybe just maybe he'll go back to DT. Wishful thinking at best, I suppose, but knowing him and his obsession with PR and marketing, I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is a giant PR stunt which will end with a DT/A7X tour where he announces his return.
Please join the group. I'm not trying to steal members off this board by any means so please keep discussions here. I was just hoping we could all say a few words to MP on the FB page.
Peace~
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Good thoughts, but not worth pursuing, sorry.
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Yeah...no.
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Sorry that's not how it works. If you're gonna be a professional musician, you do what the fans want. Obviously the A7X fans are giving him more love than we are.
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Hey, stop with the quote pyramids already (*takes off wannabe-mod hat* :lol )
Yeah...no. And also, oh, you're the guy with the big-ass tattoo! You're semi famous for that, but you probably knew that. About your "pr stunt" theory.. I don't know what to say. You really think they'd do that? M-hmm... Cause doing something like that wouldn't taint their reputation at all. These are grown up people we're talking about, not 17 year olds playing in daddys garage.
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yes, MP leaving the band is a bummer. but people need to stop acting like he died or something, im sure he will still be as busy or even busier than he ever was.
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I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
To me, it sounds like Rena is upset with MP and is showing her true feelings about MP getting credit
Or maybe, like almost everyone who is a fan of DT, she is upset and getting emotional. Seems a much more explanation than "THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A FIGHT OMG".
The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.
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Sorry that's not how it works. If you're gonna be a professional musician, you do what the fans want. Obviously the A7X fans are giving him more love than we are.
I have no words to explain the randomness of this post.
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at least he finished the 12 steps
this sucks big time but will be interesting to see what they make next (both parties)
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Sorry that's not how it works. If you're gonna be a professional musician, you do what the fans want. Obviously the A7X fans are giving him more love than we are.
Your plan is obviously coming from the best intentions. But IMO, it's a very bad idea and is a bit insulting to MP.
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This isn't just any other band. MP isn't just any other drummer. I don't think some of you are grasping how huge of a deal this is. There are less than a handful of drummers who have the creative and technical mastery that MP has, and there are even fewer bands who play off each other's creativity SO well. I'm preaching to the choir here, but guys, come on. DT has a story, a history. 3 kids from Berklee started the most technically amazing band around and created a legacy of 25 years of music that can't be touched by ANY of the shit that "makes money" or "sells out stadiums". This is affecting me more than when Mike Baker died. I mean, sure it'll be way cool if DT finds a drummer with similar talent and creativity, but in my mind I can't replace MP.
I think the hardest part of this is that MP would rather play for fans who have no clue what they are even listening to.
Anyway whatever. I need to get drunk or something. This day fucking sucks. All your hasty optimism is making me depressed and ashamed.
Peace~
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Wow...this guy made a petition. I better get back with DT.
Not gonna happen bro. Sorry. Cool tat.
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I think he may just be regretting that huge tattoo on his back.
/troll
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Bye Webguy. We'll miss you.
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Sorry that's not how it works. If you're gonna be a professional musician, you do what the fans want. Obviously the A7X fans are giving him more love than we are.
Your plan is obviously coming from the best intentions. But IMO, it's a very bad idea and is a bit insulting to MP.
Wrong quote ;)
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Dude, it's OK. Life moves on. Portnoy will move on, and so will Dream Theater. The band means a lot to all of us, but let's be rational here.
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Did he just get the :bosk1:
edit: I fail
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Why would he have been banned?
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My bad, someone just said good bye and I couldn't find him in the members part of the forum. My bad. I got him now.
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This isn't just any other band. MP isn't just any other drummer. I don't think some of you are grasping how huge of a deal this is. There are less than a handful of drummers who have the creative and technical mastery that MP has, and there are even fewer bands who play off each other's creativity SO well. I'm preaching to the choir here, but guys, come on. DT has a story, a history. 3 kids from Berklee started the most technically amazing band around and created a legacy of 25 years of music that can't be touched by ANY of the shit that "makes money" or "sells out stadiums". This is affecting me more than when Mike Baker died. I mean, sure it'll be way cool if DT finds a drummer with similar talent and creativity, but in my mind I can't replace MP.
I think the hardest part of this is that MP would rather play for fans who have no clue what they are even listening to.
Anyway whatever. I need to get drunk or something. This day fucking sucks. All your hasty optimism is making me depressed and ashamed.
Peace~
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Ashamed? Because we're happy DT are carrying on and respect MP's decision?
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I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
To me, it sounds like Rena is upset with MP and is showing her true feelings about MP getting credit
Or maybe, like almost everyone who is a fan of DT, she is upset and getting emotional. Seems a much more explanation than "THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A FIGHT OMG".
The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.
I think the average fan assumes she understands the whole situation because she is a band member's wife, but I don't think she knows anything that we don't.
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The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.
This. The minimal amount of information we have has been extrapolated into a shitload of wild assumptions and ridiculous speculations. Now let me add mine.
Based on what little I can gather, this may not have been a bitter schism, but it seems like it wasn't completely amicable either, even if the drama is already being exaggerated. Obviously, there's more at play than Portnoy just not feeling fulfilled in DT or whatever, and there's probably something to the "mid-life crisis" theory IMO. I'd like to hear what each of the guys has to say about it, preferably not in the form of canned, carefully engineered PR statements.
Other people have already stated most of my thoughts on this better than I can. I'm disappointed in Portnoy's departure (and uncertain of its permanence) and simultaneously looking forward to what DT will do next. I didn't always agree with him, but I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't want him to do what he thinks will make him happy.
-J
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The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.
This. The minimal amount of information we have has been extrapolated into a shitload of wild assumptions and ridiculous speculations. Now let me add mine.
Based on what little I can gather, this may not have been a bitter schism, but it seems like it wasn't completely amicable either, even if the drama is already being exaggerated. Obviously, there's more at play than Portnoy just not feeling fulfilled in DT or whatever, and there's probably something to the "mid-life crisis" theory IMO. I'd like to hear what each of the guys has to say about it, preferably not in the form of canned, carefully engineered PR statements.
Other people have already stated most of my thoughts on this better than I can. I'm disappointed in Portnoy's departure (and uncertain of its permanence) and simultaneously looking forward to what DT will do next. I didn't always agree with him, but I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't want him to do what he thinks will make him happy.
-J
This.
People should stop bullshiting with their speculations. All we know is that Mike wanted a break and not the band, so he decided to call it quit. That's it.
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just wanted to come back and apologize for being a crabby bitch. all round shitty day, didn't mean to take it out on my fellow prog nerds.
peace~
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This will all blow over once the dust settles. MP will finish his tour with A7X. He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family. He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.
On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times. Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless. I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11. It’s simply just not enough time. Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie. I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means. I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.
I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year. 1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be. 2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime. Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months. We all know that DT has taken short breaks before. Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January. It’s too soon.
Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now. Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument. In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.
You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.
You don't know that for sure.
And neither do you. Let's leave it at that.
I never said I knew anything for sure. You did. Let's leave it at that. :p
Nope, you definitely did. I bolded what you were stating as fact.
No, that was my opinion. I never stated it as fact. You saying that MP is gone and he's never coming back was a definitive statement. Understand the difference?
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I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
To me, it sounds like Rena is upset with MP and is showing her true feelings about MP getting credit
Or maybe, like almost everyone who is a fan of DT, she is upset and getting emotional. Seems a much more explanation than "THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A FIGHT OMG".
The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.
I think the average fan assumes she understands the whole situation because she is a band member's wife, but I don't think she knows anything that we don't.
Uh, what?
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just wanted to come back and apologize for being a crabby bitch. all round shitty day, didn't mean to take it out on my fellow prog nerds.
peace~
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No problem. I don't think anyone took it that way. Again, I may not agree with your plan, but it is obviously coming from a good place in your crabby bitch heart.
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The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.
This. The minimal amount of information we have has been extrapolated into a shitload of wild assumptions and ridiculous speculations. Now let me add mine.
Based on what little I can gather, this may not have been a bitter schism, but it seems like it wasn't completely amicable either, even if the drama is already being exaggerated. Obviously, there's more at play than Portnoy just not feeling fulfilled in DT or whatever, and there's probably something to the "mid-life crisis" theory IMO. I'd like to hear what each of the guys has to say about it, preferably not in the form of canned, carefully engineered PR statements.
Other people have already stated most of my thoughts on this better than I can. I'm disappointed in Portnoy's departure (and uncertain of its permanence) and simultaneously looking forward to what DT will do next. I didn't always agree with him, but I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't want him to do what he thinks will make him happy.
-J
As I said in one of the numerous other threads, the reason this has come about is because MP couldn't come to an agreement with the other guys over how to proceed. He wanted a break, they weren't happy with that. OF COURSE there is going to be a bit of upset and bitterness on either side, but that doesn't mean there is any anger, resentment or falling out going on. Let's just take things at face value instead of turning every sentence we read into some political drama nonsense.
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People should stop bullshiting with their speculations. All we know is that Mike wanted a break and not the band, so he decided to call it quit. That's it.
Yes but to trade DT for this? Same dance different partners. Only these partners are dancing the Funky Chicken compared with the precision ballet of Dream Theater.
Mike left the best prog rock band in the world for THIS? I've tried to listen to this band, but I'd rather walk on glass. Plus wut's up with the names?
In other news... A7F has announced that the artist formerly known as Mike Portnoy is no longer. He will now be referred to simply as M. Nightfright.
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:facepalm:
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LOL if that were true I'd...I don't even know.
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I share the same feelings as most of you. My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere. It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.
My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band. I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway. They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album. I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.
Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of. Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.
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A several year break? No way.
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People should stop bullshiting with their speculations. All we know is that Mike wanted a break and not the band, so he decided to call it quit. That's it.
Yes but to trade DT for this? Same dance different partners. Only these partners are dancing the Funky Chicken compared with the precision ballet of Dream Theater.
Mike left the best prog rock band in the world for THIS? I've tried to listen to this band, but I'd rather walk on glass. Plus wut's up with the names?
In other news... A7F has announced that the artist formerly known as Mike Portnoy is no longer. He will now be referred to simply as M. Nightfright.
Where did you see that MP will join A7X? Let me tell you, he wanted to take a break, so he'll take a break to plan his next projects. Then he'll play with numerous bands because, like he said in the letter, that's what makes him happy. That's it.
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He will now be referred to simply as M. Nightfright.
wat
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I share the same feelings as most of you. My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere. It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.
My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band. I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway. They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album. I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.
Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of. Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.
Maybe, but that could happen in case DT were a mainstream band. They're not, they need to tour and be constantly active because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, kids going to school...They have not a cellar full of money, they need to be active. They need to pursue the "Dream Theater" project because that's the big element that's made them big and successful.
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Hey, stop with the quote pyramids already (*takes off wannabe-mod hat* :lol
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs145.ash2/40585_117982638254530_100001283838809_122665_7643408_n.jpg)
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The intranets hath spoken, aye
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Well, this has caused me to do the DT full discog listen that I've been putting off for a while now.
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I share the same feelings as most of you. My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere. It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.
My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band. I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway. They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album. I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.
Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of. Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.
Maybe, but that could happen in case DT were a mainstream band. They're not, they need to tour and be constantly active because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, kids going to school...They have not a cellar full of money, they need to be active. They need to pursue the "Dream Theater" project because that's the big element that's made them big and successful.
Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break. They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table. Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.
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I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.
Pros:
- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing
This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
This.
Still a bummer, though.
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I'm gonna go take a long shower and see if the news finally sets in.
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Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break. They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table. Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.
So in your job, if it got to the stage where you weren't hugely excited by what you did (although I don't for one second think that's the case with DT, who seem to still really enjoy what they do and continue to make great music), would you quit the job for a few years and find things to do to earn a few scraps here and there? No, you'd continue with your job like anyone would.
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Man, I wish Jordan had recorded that band meeting. :D
I'm actually not concerned about the music. I would bet that some of the folks who have been complaining about their direction lately, and have blamed MP for it..well..we'll see just how much of that is factual.
I'm expecting something far more melodic, and I think the big winner will be James.
So musically, I'm not worried, but it's tough to imagine Dream Theater with a totally different character and culture.
Honestly, this reminds me a lot of when Adrian Smith left Iron Maiden. I remember everything about the moment I heard. He was easily my favorite member at the time. Still it's different because MP wasn't "just" the drummer. He was the face and the voice of DT. This is more than a drummer leaving a band. This is truly a new era for the band.
I'm hoping they can sustain life after MP. I don't want them one by one leaving after each album. It would appear that the band called his bluff. Good for them. I applaud that, but MP was great, a true fan's dream..
I don't see MP returning to DT, but I wouldn't discount another LTE sighting, though that's many years away, long after all of this blows over.
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Epic. I'd expect nothing less from DT.
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Jen!
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JEN!!!
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did we just have a Jen Drive By
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Epic. I'd expect nothing less from DT.
Thanks for posting :heart
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Epic. I'd expect nothing less from DT.
:omg:
:heart Jen
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Everyones reaction, speculation, rumor, and general freak out to this news reminds me of the mound scene (up til about 2:30) from this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8olTfKZnFiM&feature=related
DTF.......We're dealing with a lot of shit!!!!
Everyone calm down.......this shit happens in rock and roll. Mike will go on, the band will go on, and we'll enjoy whatever they all do in the future I'm sure.
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I share the same feelings as most of you. My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere. It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.
My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band. I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway. They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album. I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.
Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of. Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.
Maybe, but that could happen in case DT were a mainstream band. They're not, they need to tour and be constantly active because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, kids going to school...They have not a cellar full of money, they need to be active. They need to pursue the "Dream Theater" project because that's the big element that's made them big and successful.
Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break. They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table. Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.
Yet, you sustain DT has made mediocre albums as of late. That's your opinion; and that being said. they don't have any reason to stop. The band (JLB, JR, JP and JM) don't feel like stoping, and I hear them. They're doing better in charts/sales/concert attendances/fans better than they have ever done.
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btw...Hello Jennifer. :biggrin:
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I share the same feelings as most of you. My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere. It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.
My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band. I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway. They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album. I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.
Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of. Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.
Maybe, but that could happen in case DT were a mainstream band. They're not, they need to tour and be constantly active because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, kids going to school...They have not a cellar full of money, they need to be active. They need to pursue the "Dream Theater" project because that's the big element that's made them big and successful.
Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break. They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table. Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.
Yet, you sustain DT has made mediocre albums as of late. That's your opinion; and that being said. they don't have any reason to stop. The band (JLB, JR, JP and JM) don't feel like stoping, and I hear them. They're doing better in charts/sales/concert attendances/fans better than they have ever done.
Don't put words in my mouth. I said they run the risk of making mediocre albums.
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Mike's last interview
https://vimeo.com/14827294
I'm glad that the interviewer asked him about "improving". He said that because he didn't have time with all of his responsibilities he couldn't practice that much. What about now? I know that he will keep going on with his projects, but do you think he will get behind his monster kit and blast for 6 hours a day to learn something new? And maybe in some years he'll make a great come back with DT? It may be wishful thinking, but who knows.
Also, that last question was just uncanny!!!
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did we just have a Jen Drive By
no, I'm still here. been taking this all in since axeman told me about it yesterday.
i don't like change too much so this upsets me for that reason. however, BC&SL felt like it might be the precursor to a huge change, so this almost feels like the shoe finally dropped. that in itself is sort of a relief at least.
i quite regret only seeing dt a couple of times in the years that i've been a fan. but it's not like the music we've got is going anyplace... and thankfully it wasn't a band member's death that ended this band. there's always room for a reunion tour this way at least.
i suppose.
edit - hi TV. :) nice to see you back in an old, familiar setting for a change.
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Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break. They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table. Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.
So in your job, if it got to the stage where you weren't hugely excited by what you did (although I don't for one second think that's the case with DT, who seem to still really enjoy what they do and continue to make great music), would you quit the job for a few years and find things to do to earn a few scraps here and there? No, you'd continue with your job like anyone would.
Like I said, I hope the band will see it Mike's way as I think Mike saw that things were becoming tired; I tend to agree that a hiatus could be a good thing.
Edit: Also, Ms. Put Words In Other's Mouths, said they had to keep playing to make money as if out of desperation. My response was to the assumption that they are playing for the money.
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Mike's last interview
https://vimeo.com/14827294
I'm glad that the interviewer asked him about "improving". He said that because he didn't have time with all of his responsibilities he couldn't practice that much. What about now? I know that he will keep going on with his projects, but do you think he will get behind his monster kit and blast for 6 hours a day to learn something new? And maybe in some years he'll make a great come back with DT? It may be wishful thinking, but who knows.
Also, that last question was just uncanny!!!
Very ambiguous, if you ask me.
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I'm sooooo sad! Is there any chance this can be a prank?
I mean, we are hundreds of members, one of us gotta find out!
I'm sure that everyone knows deep inside that it's not a prank, but I'll still just say it... it's not a prank. Sorry. :-\
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edit - hi TV. :) nice to see you back in an old, familiar setting for a change.
Yes. It is. BTW, the pic I was expecting wasn't attached to your last email. :biggrin:
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
xoxox
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djeeeebusss.. I read about this about 12 hours ago. Insane, lost a day of studying..called one of the few friends I have that I was thinking would care at least a bit. Turned out he took it way harder than me, he ended up going home from work to drink :sadpanda:
Anyways, since many people seems to be speculating about the album etc.. I found this little response from Rena later in the thread from the petrucci forums:
Quote:
Originally Posted by xenomorph
I hope they go to studio and make the best album ever and then get some badass drummer for the tour
Answer from Rena:
That's the plan!
(https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=31 (https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=31))
Yay :) See? They plan to get a badass drummer and make the best album ever. Sounds good to me!
...I'm still sad though =( I'd never thought I'd see this day :sadpanda:
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I'm excited to hear some optimism but I hope it's not to spite Mike.
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JEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
We missed you. Now go murder Tri.ad for having "Angelina" so low in his Marillion top 40 :D
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JEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
We missed you. Now go murder Tri.ad for having "Angelina" so low in his Marillion top 40 :D
:lol awww... don't worry about that. tri.ad can redeem himself by have half of his top 10 being songs from Marbles.
-Marc.
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After sitting on this news for a day and thinking deeply about it, I still think this is the end fo DT. Regardless how amazing the next album is, seeing them live will not be th same ever again. Sadly, that is the only reason DT is as big as they are.
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Has this been posted yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI&feature=sub (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI&feature=sub)
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Yeah. Pages go by so quickly in this thread it's hard to keep track. Don't post for an hour and you miss a page.
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Has it been confirmed mp is staying with a7x?
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The end for DT?? Nah. I'm sure A7X fans were saying that when the Rev died, and looked what happened there. It all depends on how the guys handle it and the person they choose as a replacement. It could turn into a Maiden/Blaze Bayley situation, or it could turn into gold. Time will tell. Don't just write the other guys off. Give peace a chance.
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After sitting on this news for a day and thinking deeply about it, I still think this is the end fo DT. Regardless how amazing the next album is, seeing them live will not be th same ever again. Sadly, that is the only reason DT is as big as they are.
The same no. But nothing stays the same anyway. The next time I go to see DT, I will still be seeing one of the best guitarists on the planet, one of the best keyboard players on the planet, one of the best bassists on the planet, new material, and a vocalist who is perfect for the songs that they write. Not a bad way to spend an evening with...
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(((guys)))
You know, I've just been thinking about this fact: I've been sober since August, 2008.
There have been some really bad times since then when I wanted to drink, but didn't. Almost every one of those times I went for a drive and put in a Dream Theater CD and listened to one of the twelve step suite's songs -- BC&SL has been in my vehicle since I bought it, before I left dtf in early 2010, and I still love it.
In fact, the entire time I've been away I've had that and The Incident in my vehicle and anytime I burn out of one band, I switch back to listening to the other. I brought the Score DVD/CD set into the car three days ago because I was getting burned out on The Incident... and I sent a random text message to BlobVanDam that same day, quoting some lyrics for the sake of their sheer awesomeness.
I'm so torn about this right now.
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This all still feels surreal for me.
Btw, has anyone else noticed a distinct lack of Jamesman throughout all of this?
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I'm just so.....sad....
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Yeah, I think he's the only regular member who hasn't made a post. :lol
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Let's hope he didn't let this get too far to his head... :-\
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I haven't seen BRGM around either.
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Oh he's posted here, don't worry.
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Jamesman requested a temp ban for an entire semester, IIRC...
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James is on a self imposed hiatus I think.
JEN SQUEE :heart
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:sadpanda:
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Ah yes I remember now. Off topic though. Reported.
I can't wait to see what news develops over the coming weeks. This has got to be the most I've been excited about DT in a long time.
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That last chord in the Jordan Speaks video it's still ringing in my head. I don't know what it meant. I think there's so much embodied in that chord that... Wow, it's like, after several minutes of improvisation and saying that "It's ok, it's alright" that MP had left, that chord it's like a "But it's not that alright for us and you're still breaking our heart and making us feel pain, you bastard".
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It just feels so weird. Like I can't really believe it.
Musically, this is probably the most interesting thing that could have happened for the band.
Emotionally, apart from the unthinkable death of any of the members, this is the saddest thing that could have happened.
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This has got to be the most I've been excited about DT in a long time.
I want to feel bad for feeling exactly this, but I don't... DT meant so much for me and now that we've grown apart (I still very occasionally listen to and love their stuff, but...) I'm just exited to see something new happening. I'm looking forward to see how they'll do with what cards they have now.
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These are some notes I made about Mike's original post last night, but I didn't post them because I wanted to wait 24 hours and make sure I wasn't being clouded by my sadness. I agree with my assessment last night, so here it is:
If there are some problems between MP and the band that haven't come to light yet, I wouldn't be surprised. In MP's initial posting, there seemed to be subtle shots fired at the band. He was very possessive of the DT brand and clearly sees it as his baby:
Dream Theater was always my baby...and I nurtured that baby every single day and waking moment of my life since 1985...24/7, 365...never taking time off from DT's never-ending responsibilites (even when the band was "off" between cycles)...working overtime and way beyond the call of duty that most sane people ever would do for a band...
While it truly hurts for me to even think of a Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy (hell, my father named the band!!),
and while it was ultimately his decision to leave, it seems like he was trying to push a portion of the blame on others (bolded parts for emphasis):
...so I have decided to sacrifice myself and simply leave the band so as to not hold them back against their wishes....
I really tried to salvage the situation and make it work...I honestly just wanted a break
they determined they do not share my feelings and have decided to continue without me rather than take a breather...I even offered to do some occasional work throughout 2011 against my initial wishes
So, I think there is some stuff brewing under the surface, and I hope for every member of DT they can settle this privately and amicably and not have it blow up.
And now, after Mike's posting of that blog entry (this one: https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html (https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html), I'm more concerned this might end in a way no fan wants it to.
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^ Yeah, no doubt he's going through a seriously emotional time right now, but he did sorta come across sounding like a martyr, among other things.
-J
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Well, at least JustJen came back. So everything is cool.
Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.
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Whatever the case may be man, life goes on. Mike has done what he has thought was best for himself and (coming from a guy who has practically given all he has to his fans) there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. So what if he let some of his own (seemingly) negative thoughts come out in a letter to his fans, Mike has always been like that; honest and open. I just hope he doesn't take all this negativity from some fans to heart, especially considering the problems of his past. I'd hate for this to be the reason for Mike falling off the wagon. As stupid as that may sound. Sometimes we forget that our heroes are human.
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Either DT will kick ass and reinvent themselves or they will try to be the same band and fail.
MP probably feels held back by the bounds of DT, Bounds that he created himself. It's kinda like when your boss says something stupid but instead of admitting he's wrong takes everyone down the wrong path for years then he fires everyone for doing what they were told if that makes any sense. I just hope the rest of the band has their balls dangling and are ready to try some new things and not worry so much about trying not to be popular.
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24 hours later and I finally can type something out, since I found out last night but I was already quite drunk, coincidentally with the buddy who I went to see Dream Theater for the first time with (ToT tour at MSG) back in the day. We dedicated the rest of the night's drinking to DT/MP and listened to the bootleg of that show through ACOS.
This is the first time I've watched a favorite band go through some sort of trauma, every other band that I really listen to either has been disbanded already (classic rock stuff) or hasn't had a lineup change (closest I came was Newsted left Metallica 6-8 months before I became a fan). It hasn't really hit me until tonight though. The last hour and a half or so I've gone through this whole thread, and reading some of the posts here while listening to Jordan's improv piece nearly moved me to tears, and I don't think I could make it through some of the more heartfelt DT songs without getting too emotional.
Between being my absolute favorite band, the holy trinity of I&W, Awake, and SFAM all probably inhabit my top 5 all time albums list, and leading me to the various incarnations of DTF where I've found some of the best friends I have, spent a mind numbing number of hours in conversation with a great group of people, and discovered most of the rest of the music that's filled my ears in the last half a decade or so, Dream Theater has far and away been a huge influence in my life since the first time I put Six Degrees in my cd player and The Glass Prison blew my mind. I have no doubt both Mike Portnoy and the remaining members of Dream Theater will go on to create more great music, that's what they do, and I'll continue to check it all out. That said, even if the new music Dream Theater puts out is fantastic, and better than their recent output (I wasn't one of those "Portnoy is ruining the musical direction of the band people, though I didn't particularly care for good chunks of Train of Thought through Systematic Chaos. I thought BC&SL was a big step in the right direction though), I think anyone who tells him/herself that the experience of being a Dream Theater fan will remain the same is still in denial. In addition to the music, the whole experience of loving Dream Theater has been incredibly rewarding, and it's been so in large part thanks to Mike Portnoy. The rotating setlists, the official bootlegs, directing the DVDs, all the communication with the fans (his forum, Christmas vids etc...), all that done by a man who, as someone earlier in the thread said, worked 25 hours a day for Dream Theater fans. Some of those responsibilities may be taken up by one or more members of the band, but (with all due respect) none of the rest of the guys ever exuded the kind of passion for making Dream Theater as great a band to be a fan of as Mike did, and that's what I think will be missed the most.
Mike, I understand why you had to make the change you did, and I wish you the best in whatever musical endeavors you undertake in the future (more Transatlantic would be nice, hint hint), I'll be along for the ride listening. JP, JR, JLB, and JM, I understand why you felt the need to press on, I look forward to finding out who will be playing drums with you guys in the future and I'm excited to hear what the next album of music you guys put together sounds like.
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The best possible outcome is that DT will find a good replacement drummer and they will continue to make great music, while Transatlantic and perhaps LTE get together occasionally to also produce great new music, alongside whatever else MP winds up doing. All with a minimum of ugliness.
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I'm all for Dream Theater getting Terry Bozzio. That would be a hell of a band.
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Nice post Bill, and it really does sum up how I'm feeling quite nicely.
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Well, at least JustJen came back. So everything is cool.
Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.
Everytime God removes a band member, he reinstates a forum member.
It is the way of things.
;)
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Well, at least JustJen came back. So everything is cool.
Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.
Everytime God removes a band member, he reinstates a forum member.
It is the way of things.
;)
So who has to go for us to get Blob back? :P
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WOW. I am late for the Funeral. Having 3 kids will do that. I just checked my email and got the newsletter from Mark Brudius.
I am Utterfly Floored and saddened by this news. That being said, great bands dont go on forever. And with age and time, changes will occur. But, I still cant help but feel like I am greiving someones death. Good luck in your future Endeavors MP. I am a true DT fan of 25 Yrs and will continue to be so.................Hey, Look what happen to RUSH when they picked up this shy replacement drummer............name escapes me.
You never know.
FUCKING WOW
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Well, at least JustJen came back. So everything is cool.
Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.
Everytime God removes a band member, he reinstates a forum member.
It is the way of things.
;)
So who has to go for us to get Blob back? :P
Don't you DARE jinx anything...
-M.
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Well, at least JustJen came back. So everything is cool.
Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.
Everytime God removes a band member, he reinstates a forum member.
It is the way of things.
;)
So who has to go for us to get Blob back? :P
You just stop it right fucking now.
Not about Blob coming back, but about anyone else leaving.
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Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
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Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
A very ironic balance in the universe indeed :lol
-Marc.
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Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
Don't you think?
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Speaking of Jordan, I'm really hoping he gets to do a good bit of piano work on the next album.
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Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
I was just about to post "I think you all know the answer to that" but then Nick went ahead and spelled it out.
Seriously though, only Blob knows what Blob will do. But, it's nice that he's missed. :)
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Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
Don't you think?
Deja vu.
Hef - the bears CAME BACK.
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::) Way to wreck a decent thread...
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Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back. From what I hear, it was the very next day. Early reports were that many thought he was a goner. But the c--*smack!*
Ow. I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
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Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back. From what I hear, it was the very next day. Early reports were that many thought he was a goner. But the c--*smack!*
Ow. I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
lol
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Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
Don't you think?
A little too ironic. Yeah, I really do think.
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Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back. From what I hear, it was the very next day. Early reports were that many thought he was a goner. But the c--*smack!*
Ow. I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
Hey, it's my birthday! What can I say?
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I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me. Major bummer.
Best wishes in all you do Mike. Even though this comment will probably drown in a sea of others, I hope you read it.
You'll be missed my friend. :-\
p.s. Thanks for the drumsticks when we were in Las Vegas. They're mounted on my wall.
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I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye. Sorry you wouldn't stay.
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I'm not a man of many words, even being on this forum for so many years now. But being a hardcore Dream Theater fan for 18 years I like express the way I feel through my art. It's because of Dream Theater and you that I begun to start my own business over a year ago. Mike we know this was the hardest decision you ever had to make but I completely understand where you are comming from.
It's just like a marriage you had for 25 years... and you have to tell your kids that it's over between mommy and daddy... in your case you have to tell this sad news to millions of ''kids''....
Whatever you do I will always support you... the journey doesn't end here, it's only just begun.
STEVE, CARPE DIEM!
(https://i51.tinypic.com/5mq21.jpg)
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Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back. From what I hear, it was the very next day. Early reports were that many thought he was a goner. But the c--*smack!*
Ow. I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
Hey, it's my birthday! What can I say?
Happy birthday hef, and sorry about the shitty timing of this whole thing - sucks bad enough without being right near your birthday that this went down.
Anyhow, just read the entire thread -- long read!
I was surprised how few words were said about mike's sobriety. Admittedly I'm far less of a hardcore fan than many people here, but I had thought his habit of being solitary in hotels during touring had more to do with his sobriety than anything else. The fact that he's out and socializing and getting tattoos at 330am and whatnot just makes me worry about his sobriety.
He should do what makes him happy, yes... but I hope that "happy" doesn't equal "count down to chemically induced self destruction".
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That's VERY nice, Steve! Great job, as always!
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I was actually thinking if he will be start drinking after this. His wife and family wouldn't let him, though. That's good.
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Good point, Jen. Hopefully, no matter what he does in the future, his sobriety won't become a victim of this split.
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I can't see that happening...I really can't.
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I dunno, he is touring with Avenged Sevenfold.
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I dunno, he is touring with Avenged Sevenfold.
Wait...when did this happen?
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I doubt MP will start drinking again. After ten years or so (?), a 60 minute suite, and a wife and kids to look after, I think he'll be okay sobriety-wise. The thing about getting tatoos at 3 am is a little odd, but it might have something to do with that midlife crisis theory.
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No. He said somewhere that he used to go out and visit, but now he just uses his free time to relax and to get some rest.
I can't believe you guys are speculating on him drinking again. Hell, he left Dream Theater because he needs a break, not because he's now a party animal.
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Wow, I am pretty late to hearing the news. I am really not surprised with DT taking breaks and Mike recording and then playing with Avenged. I kind of get the feeling like the money with Avenged is probably better with less work so it makes sense financially for him. I mean, they are a bigger band than DT and he doesn't have to be the main guy there. I can see it like someone getting a better job and leaving thier current job, but its tough considering DT is his "baby." I can really see this being all about money. DT wants to keep recording and touring to make money, Mike doesnt want to because he can make his money somewhere else so there is a head butt that ends in a split. Thats just my opinion, but I just find it hard to believe he would leave for any other reason. People need to do what is best for them.
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Oh hai Jen. :D
I wonder how things will develop in the next few weeks. Maybe there's going to be some turmoil (and there are indeed some signs that lead to this way), but all in all, I'm more excited about DT getting a new, kickass drummer and delivering a good, fresh-sounding album.
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This isn't meant as a potshot at A7X, but he did replace someone who OD'ed, so I'm guessing the rev wasn't the only drug user among the members of the band. I hope that they respect Mike's years of sobriety and stay clean around him.
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This isn't meant as a potshot at A7X, but he did replace someone who OD'ed, so I'm guessing the rev wasn't the only drug user among the members of the band. I hope that they respect Mike's years of sobriety and stay clean around him.
I really hope Mike doesn't join A7X full time. Would be totally detrimental to his recovery.
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Wait, this means their next album will have less balls in the metal, but more prog... Hmm, I like. Best of luck to Portnoy.
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The more I think about it, the more I think that assuming that Portnoy's departure will mean less metal and more prog is misguided. Remember that Petrucci is as much of a metal fan as Portnoy is, although his roots seem to be more with classic metal, rather than some of the newer metal, so while they will likely lose the newer metal elements (like the occasional rough vocals), I suspect they will still be as heavy as they were before, generally speaking.
Also, I remember JP saying on one of the BC&SL youtube videos that he was tired of the long instrumental sections that featured guitar and key solos back to back, so perhaps we will see shorter, more focused, more concise instrumental sections?
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The more I think about it, the more I think that assuming that Portnoy's departure will mean less metal and more prog is misguided. Remember that Petrucci is as much of a metal fan as Portnoy is, although his roots seem to be more with classic metal, rather than some of the newer metal, so while they will likely lose the newer metal elements (like the occasional rough vocals), I suspect they will still be as heavy as they were before, generally speaking.
Also, I remember JP saying on one of the BC&SL youtube videos that he was tired of the long instrumental sections that featured guitar and key solos back to back, so perhaps we will see shorter, more focused, more concise instrumental sections?
That would be cool, I think that they should definitely make a return to the more concise, and also melodic, style of music.
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Well I hope they do something very wacky, or serious but wacky. Some parts in A Change Of Seasons comes to mind.
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The more I think about it, the more I think that assuming that Portnoy's departure will mean less metal and more prog is misguided. Remember that Petrucci is as much of a metal fan as Portnoy is, although his roots seem to be more with classic metal, rather than some of the newer metal, so while they will likely lose the newer metal elements (like the occasional rough vocals), I suspect they will still be as heavy as they were before, generally speaking.
Also, I remember JP saying on one of the BC&SL youtube videos that he was tired of the long instrumental sections that featured guitar and key solos back to back, so perhaps we will see shorter, more focused, more concise instrumental sections?
Probably about as heavy as anything that was on Images And Words/Awake/Falling Into Infinity, I think... It'd be nice to see a more song-oriented approach to metal writing on the next album, as in those old days, rather than extending riffs and solos for metal epics, as has been the case with many songs over the last few albums. Don't get me wrong, I love many of those songs, but perhaps a lot of that had to do with MP's direction. I don't think he had much input in the songs back in the day, which is probably why we have more songs under 8-10 minutes on those albums than we did over 8-10 minutes. The opposite seems true with latter albums, epics and longer songs more numerous than before. Possibly MP's way of incorporating epic-length songs with a metal edge, to satisfy his idea of "proggy" DT while still being "metal" DT.
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this better be a joke, i just saw this now and i will read all the pages but someone just tell me if its a joke first, tell me.
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The more I think about it, the more I think that assuming that Portnoy's departure will mean less metal and more prog is misguided. Remember that Petrucci is as much of a metal fan as Portnoy is, although his roots seem to be more with classic metal, rather than some of the newer metal, so while they will likely lose the newer metal elements (like the occasional rough vocals), I suspect they will still be as heavy as they were before, generally speaking.
Also, I remember JP saying on one of the BC&SL youtube videos that he was tired of the long instrumental sections that featured guitar and key solos back to back, so perhaps we will see shorter, more focused, more concise instrumental sections?
Yeah, I mean, as much as Portnoy likes newer metal, you can totally tell JP is into all that chugga-chugga stuff going on ever since SDOIT. I don't expect that to change.
What I do expect is to see him doing more on his own, coming to the band with complete or nearly complete songs as he did (I assume) with Wither.
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Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back. From what I hear, it was the very next day. Early reports were that many thought he was a goner. But the c--*smack!*
Ow. I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
Hey, it's my birthday! What can I say?
Happy birthday hef, and sorry about the shitty timing of this whole thing - sucks bad enough without being right near your birthday that this went down.
Anyhow, just read the entire thread -- long read!
I was surprised how few words were said about mike's sobriety. Admittedly I'm far less of a hardcore fan than many people here, but I had thought his habit of being solitary in hotels during touring had more to do with his sobriety than anything else. The fact that he's out and socializing and getting tattoos at 330am and whatnot just makes me worry about his sobriety.
He should do what makes him happy, yes... but I hope that "happy" doesn't equal "count down to chemically induced self destruction".
Whoa, would ya look who it is.
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My God it's true.. Godspeed Portnoy.
JP at the helm now, its gonna get a whole lotta more creative when he has no one to think for him, I'm shy to say I'm somewhat excited about what's to come.
wow.. what news to wake up to.
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I'm all for Dream Theater getting Terry Bozzio. That would be a hell of a band.
Please, no. Please, no.
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As stated by someone earlier in this thread, my vote goes to Virgil Donati. I don't have his music yet, but I was blown away by his proficiency in handling odd time beats.
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What saddens me the most: MP personal songs that I will never hear live.
"The Best of Times" - Like Space Dye Vest, I think DT will avoid playing this song now, as it is so deeply personal to MP. I listened to this just yesterday, looking forward to its eventual live debut, then the news hit last night.
"Redemption" & "The Shattered Fortress" - Will DT play the AA suite in its entirety? Seems unlikely now. Too bad, MP really deserved to hear our appreciation for this musical achievement, and our acknowlegment of the personal journey he completed.
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I think we'll hear the Best of Times. Sure, it's MIKE's song, but it's also a song that Petrucci really shreds on. I doubt he'll be able to resist the temptation to play it. And, really, there's no reason why the band SHOULDN'T play it. I also think we'll probably hear sections of the AA saga, though probably not the entire thing.
I know Mike can seem a little irrational at times, but I doubt he'd want Dream Theater to NOT perform The Best of Times. It might make him feel a little sad to see the first live performance of it not include him, but I think that Mike would prefer DT play the song rather than waste it.
Annnnd if he DOES join them on stage for an encore in 5 or 10 years, you can bet your bottom dollar that TBoT will be one of the songs they encore with.
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Guess its time to save up for Rich Wilson's third edition of Lifting Shadows . . .
and speaking of which, allow me to quote Chapter 11, Walking on Eggshells, page 222 (re MP's 1998 announcement to quite DT):
"But in hindsight [JP] now accepts that if Mike had left, Dream Theater would effectively have been finished"
"I think it would have been difficult to continue," [JP] says. "Mike's such a huge part of Dream Theater and this was something we had built together to that point. So it wouldn't have been the same thing. Obviously, when it was all happening, you're like 'Fuck it. I'm going to do whatever I have to do and I'm not going to stop.' But realistically, could we have continued? No. I couldn't see that. At the time you don't want anything to collapse or want to think that somebody could take that all away. But it wouldn't have bee nthe same."
Interesting to contrast this with everything that is going on.
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Guess its time to save up for Rich Wilson's third edition of Lifting Shadows . . .
and speaking of which, allow me to quote Chapter 11, Walking on Eggshells, page 222 (re MP's 1998 announcement to quite DT):
"But in hindsight [JP] now accepts that if Mike had left, Dream Theater would effectively have been finished"
"I think it would have been difficult to continue," [JP] says. "Mike's such a huge part of Dream Theater and this was something we had built together to that point. So it wouldn't have been the same thing. Obviously, when it was all happening, you're like 'Fuck it. I'm going to do whatever I have to do and I'm not going to stop.' But realistically, could we have continued? No. I couldn't see that. At the time you don't want anything to collapse or want to think that somebody could take that all away. But it wouldn't have bee nthe same."
Interesting to contrast this with everything that is going on.
The time scale tells you all. That was in 1998, now it's 13 years later. In 13 years everybody has been more involved and all the members see DT as their own band. I mean, Mike changed his thoughts in this past year and now wants to leave, the others has changed his thoughts too in these past years and want to continue, that's all
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If you haven't seen it already, check the reactions from JP and JLB in this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16450.0
Definitely indicates that there's no personal friction between the guys (particularly JP and MP), which supports those of us who believe that Mike in particular is just feeling upset about the whole thing but that there's nothing boiling under the surface.
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Yes, I have read that. I just hope nothing wrong is gonna happen. Let's wait and see. We don't want a fight, that is sad and I have lived that in Stratovarius these past years and I do not recommend it.
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Yeah I'm not a huge Strato fan now, but I was fairly into them when shit first started going down, and it wasn't cool at all. However, Timo Tolkki is an absolute nutter, whereas while Mike can be impulsive and say what's on his mind too readily, he's a decent, caring guy, so I don't think it would ever get anything like that.
Plus, the full list of questions that JP has answered (later in that thread) fills me with a lot of hope that things will be fine once it all settles down. :)
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Yeah I'm not a huge Strato fan now, but I was fairly into them when shit first started going down, and it wasn't cool at all. However, Timo Tolkki is an absolute nutter, whereas while Mike can be impulsive and say what's on his mind too readily, he's a decent, caring guy, so I don't think it would ever get anything like that.
Plus, the full list of questions that JP has answered (later in that thread) fills me with a lot of hope that things will be fine once it all settles down. :)
Tolkki had mental problems, nobody is sure if he still having that problems or not, but it seems he had (has) some kind of bipolar disorder. the story was more or less:
1- Tolkki's idea about a stunt saying that Stratovarius is no more in 2004 and firing Kotipelto and bringing a female singer (all the band agreed with that stunt). Tolkki simulate an stabbing in a concert in a Spain festival. All was a fake.
2- In 2005 reunion and selftitled album (a mediocre album without spirit).
3- In 2007, announce for a new album called Revolution Renaissance and a promised back to the roots album with Visions style. Bad live performances around that era, specially in Wacken (a horrible performance). Last concert with Tolkki in Madrid. The album was never released by Stratovarius.
4- In April 2008, Tolkki says Stratovarius is no more and a flame wars starts everywhere (the press, official forums, face to face). he says that what happened in 2004 was a stunt and the stabbing was a fake.
5- One month later, the rest of the band says that they are gonna continue. Tolkki got mad and saying that's not fair and that Stratovarius was his creation and he composed 98% of the songs (that's true). But the people (we, the fans) wanted them to continue. (My first topic in this forum was to demand help for an online signature I created, yes a silly thing but I was desperated).
6-They bring a new guitarrist called Matias Kupianen, a young promise from Finland. More prog oriented guy, mixed with typical power metal style.
7-New album Polaris released in May 2009. Very good acceptance and good reviews. People happy again and waiting for the new Polaris tour that ended some months ago. They have been touring a lot around europe and a lot of gigs are scheduled for 2011 (including a tour with Helloween). New album coming on February/March 2011.
8-Tolkki in 2008 formed a band called Revolution Renaissance (yes... the name of the supposed Stratovarius album in 2007). And with an album called New Era, he used Kiske, Sammet and Rantanen to sing the songs that were for the Stratovarius album. Then,in 2009 he released with new members an album called Age of Aquarius. Then he announced for this September another new album called Trinity. Some weeks ago he said Revolution Renaissance is no more because of the poor interest in the band and because nobody was able to get some decent gigs.
9-Now he is wandering without band and have no idea wht the future holds.
10-Stratovarius rules. He wanted to leave, so bye bye.
I recommend you to listen Polaris album (if you feel like, of course). It mix some new ideas with old ideas. It was an strange album for them but very important, cause it was the album that told them "hey, you can do it without the mainman". And they did it, now the band is plenty of new ideas and creativity, everybody is composing (TT was the only composer in Stratovarius).
I see this happening with DT. But I don't want to see bad things and flame wars happening, in Stratovarius that was mad. The official forums had fights with Tolkki and the rest, etc, etc.
Sorry for the off topic, but it's incredible how familiar all this is for me (not the part of the stunt).
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If you haven't seen it already, check the reactions from JP and JLB in this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16450.0
Definitely indicates that there's no personal friction between the guys (particularly JP and MP), which supports those of us who believe that Mike in particular is just feeling upset about the whole thing but that there's nothing boiling under the surface.
Ariich, I have just been reading JP's comments over on the JP forum and I have to say I am feeling so much better than I was yesterday about the whole thing. It's great to know that JP is still as hungry as ever to make DT work and give it 1000%. Rest assured, they will get a drummer that is more than capable of producing the goods.
Mike will eventually realise that he has made the wrong move. Like JP, I too think that this will only hit him when he sees a stranger sitting on his seat! Here's to the next chapter Interesting times ahead.
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Mike will eventually realise that he has made the wrong move.
You can be sure, he will, and more than we think.
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No. He said somewhere that he used to go out and visit, but now he just uses his free time to relax and to get some rest.
I can't believe you guys are speculating on him drinking again. Hell, he left Dream Theater because he needs a break, not because he's now a party animal.
Nothing about the MP situation has made me sad, but if he were to start drinking again, that would do the trick. I can't imagine hearing of a larger "hero's downfall".
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Also, though I'm sure a Dream Theater flame war would never happen, it's a funny image in my head, because...it's like imagining the clash of the titans. The battle of the gods. John Peh-truck-see would maul about 40 youths upon baldhead Rudess (major props to whoever gets the reference).
But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!". Do you think he hasn't thought about this 24/7? He's got OCD, and he probably couldn't stop thinking about it the moment it popped into his head. This is something he has no doubt scrutinized, and I doubt he is going to come back after making such a strong and personal decision.
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Yeah I'm not a huge Strato fan now, but I was fairly into them when shit first started going down, and it wasn't cool at all. However, Timo Tolkki is an absolute nutter, whereas while Mike can be impulsive and say what's on his mind too readily, he's a decent, caring guy, so I don't think it would ever get anything like that.
Plus, the full list of questions that JP has answered (later in that thread) fills me with a lot of hope that things will be fine once it all settles down. :)
Tolkki had mental problems, nobody is sure if he still having that problems or not, but it seems he had (has) some kind of bipolar disorder. the story was more or less:
1- Tolkki's idea about a stunt saying that Stratovarius is no more in 2004 and firing Kotipelto and bringing a female singer (all the band agreed with that stunt). Tolkki simulate an stabbing in a concert in a Spain festival. All was a fake.
2- In 2005 reunion and selftitled album (a mediocre album without spirit).
3- In 2007, announce for a new album called Revolution Renaissance and a promised back to the roots album with Visions style. Bad live performances around that era, specially in Wacken (a horrible performance). Last concert with Tolkki in Madrid. The album was never released by Stratovarius.
4- In April 2008, Tolkki says Stratovarius is no more and a flame wars starts everywhere (the press, official forums, face to face). he says that what happened in 2004 was a stunt and the stabbing was a fake.
5- One month later, the rest of the band says that they are gonna continue. Tolkki got mad and saying that's not fair and that Stratovarius was his creation and he composed 98% of the songs (that's true). But the people (we, the fans) wanted them to continue. (My first topic in this forum was to demand help for an online signature I created, yes a silly thing but I was desperated).
6-They bring a new guitarrist called Matias Kupianen, a young promise from Finland. More prog oriented guy, mixed with typical power metal style.
7-New album Polaris released in May 2009. Very good acceptance and good reviews. People happy again and waiting for the new Polaris tour that ended some months ago. They have been touring a lot around europe and a lot of gigs are scheduled for 2011 (including a tour with Helloween). New album coming on February/March 2011.
8-Tolkki in 2008 formed a band called Revolution Renaissance (yes... the name of the supposed Stratovarius album in 2007). And with an album called New Era, he used Kiske, Sammet and Rantanen to sing the songs that were for the Stratovarius album. Then,in 2009 he released with new members an album called Age of Aquarius. Then he announced for this September another new album called Trinity. Some weeks ago he said Revolution Renaissance is no more because of the poor interest in the band and because nobody was able to get some decent gigs.
9-Now he is wandering without band and have no idea wht the future holds.
10-Stratovarius rules. He wanted to leave, so bye bye.
I recommend you to listen Polaris album (if you feel like, of course). It mix some new ideas with old ideas. It was an strange album for them but very important, cause it was the album that told them "hey, you can do it without the mainman". And they did it, now the band is plenty of new ideas and creativity, everybody is composing (TT was the only composer in Stratovarius).
I see this happening with DT. But I don't want to see bad things and flame wars happening, in Stratovarius that was mad. The official forums had fights with Tolkki and the rest, etc, etc.
Sorry for the off topic, but it's incredible how familiar all this is for me (not the part of the stunt).
This was one of the most amazing soap operas the world of metal has ever seen. I was a huge Strato fan and I really loved every minute of this. I would be looking for updates just to see what was gonna happen next.
Oh and Jens pissing on Tolkki in concert was hilarious.
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This was one of the most amazing soap operas the world of metal has ever seen. I was a huge Strato fan and I really loved every minute of this. I would be looking for updates just to see what was gonna happen next.
Oh and Jens pissing on Tolkki in concert was hilarious.
looooool, yes. And when the band Revolution Renaissance was created, there was a website and a forum and Tolkki registered there just to say that "a friend of him" told him bad things about the new line up, etc, etc. He made a guitar contest cause he wanted to donate as a gift one of his ESP (he donate the Stratocasters a while ago), but the winner of that contest (a spanish guy) has never received the guitar XD. Then you had his first myspace that was hacked and plenty of statements saying that he loved the new album Polaris, etc, etc Hey, I have tons and tons of things to say, but of course that's off topic. But it was hilarious and sad.
But the most funny thing in Stratovarius history was when Jens blowed up a nasty toilet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4T4UzFB4Q
I love this man hahaha, I had a lot of laughs with him in Madrid in the last concert I went. He is so funny and smart.
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But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.
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There have been loads of threads about Mike's departure and many of them have been locked so I think this belongs here (I don't know if someone has mentioned this, anyway):
How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!
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Listening to The Killing Hand... (studio) and i just realized... that recording includes more former members than current
:-[ :| :(
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There have been loads of threads about Mike's departure and many of them have been locked so I think this belongs here (I don't know if someone has mentioned this, anyway):
How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!
Well, I suppose it's gonna be Petrucci? Or they will skip that kind of songs?
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There have been loads of threads about Mike's departure and many of them have been locked so I think this belongs here (I don't know if someone has mentioned this, anyway):
How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!
Well, I suppose it's gonna be Petrucci? Or they will skip that kind of songs?
I think that at least A Nightmare to Remember won't be played anymore. It'd be hilarious to see JP or JR doing that RRROOOOAAAARRR!! part! :lol
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I can't quite picture JR singing MPs parts in Constant Motion :|
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I can't quite picture JR singing MPs parts in Constant Motion :|
I can't imagine anyone but Mike himself doing those parts. Maybe it'll be played again if they'll do some reunion shows in the future.
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There have been loads of threads about Mike's departure and many of them have been locked so I think this belongs here (I don't know if someone has mentioned this, anyway):
How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!
Well, I suppose it's gonna be Petrucci? Or they will skip that kind of songs?
I think that at least A Nightmare to Remember won't be played anymore. It'd be hilarious to see JP or JR doing that RRROOOOAAAARRR!! part! :lol
I dunno, the part was originally written for JLB, I imagine he'll just do it but in a different way to on the recording.
EDIT: In terms of backing harmonies, JR is a perfectly capable singer, so if the new drummer isn't much on vocals then I'm sure JR can join in.
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How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!
They'll maybe find a drummer who can perform it properly. Or we should just wait and see...
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I could imagine JR using a voice effect for many of MP's parts in order to achieve that deeper, rougher voice; as it is, I don't think that his voice is powerful enough to provide that kind of backing vocals properly.
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This really does suck... MP was part of the soul of the band. He wasn't just some member. Part of me wishes they'd just fully break up or take the hiatus... none of them are "spring chickens" anymore, either.
I haven't read the entire thread, but some of the comments sound like he was disposible... certainly there are capable drummers that can play the parts. Hell, he posted videos to his twitter of 10 year olds playing some of his parts. That's only a part of it. Most other bands that lose a piece of their soul never recover until that piece is restored.
Anyway, good luck to MP in the future, but I hold major reservations about DT for the future...
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This was one of the most amazing soap operas the world of metal has ever seen. I was a huge Strato fan and I really loved every minute of this. I would be looking for updates just to see what was gonna happen next.
Oh and Jens pissing on Tolkki in concert was hilarious.
looooool, yes. And when the band Revolution Renaissance was created, there was a website and a forum and Tolkki registered there just to say that "a friend of him" told him bad things about the new line up, etc, etc. He made a guitar contest cause he wanted to donate as a gift one of his ESP (he donate the Stratocasters a while ago), but the winner of that contest (a spanish guy) has never received the guitar XD. Then you had his first myspace that was hacked and plenty of statements saying that he loved the new album Polaris, etc, etc Hey, I have tons and tons of things to say, but of course that's off topic. But it was hilarious and sad.
But the most funny thing in Stratovarius history was when Jens blowed up a nasty toilet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4T4UzFB4Q
I love this man hahaha, I had a lot of laughs with him in Madrid in the last concert I went. He is so funny and smart.
That's from the wonderful Infinite Visions DVD :lol He is one crazy bastard!!
In Tolkki's defense the first RR album was really excellent, I thoroughly enjoyed it. haven't heard the last one and now before the release of their last album Tolkki says that the band is no more. :lol
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I think that at least A Nightmare to Remember won't be played anymore. It'd be hilarious to see JP or JR doing that RRROOOOAAAARRR!! part! :lol
Shame really, cos minus the growl rap-thingy, it's a great song.
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First time poster, long time lurker
Even though I wish MP the best in his future endeavors, I'm a bit upset at the timing of his departure. DT are, I would say, at the biggest they ever were. They had a #6 album (for being progressive metal, this is incredible) and just came back from playing the biggest shows EVER in their career.
Then all of a sudden, MP is taking on multiple projects and going 24/7 on DT's off-cycle. He very well knew what he was getting himself into. I understand that it is fun to do the various side projects he does, but their comes a time when you need to understand where you come from. He's been with DT for 25 years. He's known JP & JM for over half his life. Hell, even their wives were in the same band.
PLus, what I believe makes this the worst of all, he' s still on tour with A7X. Frankley, I do like them. But I feel tha this is a slap in the face to DT/DTfans. I felt it would be a little bit classier if he were to do it after the tour.
I still have a lot of different feelings about this so hopefully I'll post more about this soon.
Edit: I know JP,JR,JLB all commented on the situation. Does anyone think JM will comment soon (or at all)?
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ISn't there any interviwes about this yet?! :O It's been 2 days!!!
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I think that at least A Nightmare to Remember won't be played anymore. It'd be hilarious to see JP or JR doing that RRROOOOAAAARRR!! part! :lol
Shame really, cos minus the growl rap-thingy, it's a great song.
I thought it was shit, but then when I listened to it last night I really enjoyed it. It's strange how perception changes over time.
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ISn't there any interviwes about this yet?! :O It's been 2 days!!!
Are you serious?! How about giving them some time to stomach this event before opening up to the public? Besides, JP and JLB have already given statements about this.
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ISn't there any interviwes about this yet?! :O It's been 2 days!!!
OMG 2 days, that is like the longest time ever!
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I'm all for Dream Theater getting Terry Bozzio. That would be a hell of a band.
Please, no. Please, no.
Terry Bozzio is a great drummer, and as a bonus, he can sing.
But I agree that he would not be a good fit for Dream Theater, if that's your objection.
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jeez! I was kidding
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But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.
Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.
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I really want Myung to comment on this. I know, he doesn't speak, but I want it.
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I think it's safe to say that he won't.
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Anyone who isn't familiar with Rudess's voice should check out his cover of "Just the Same"; he sounds like a total badass and has this pleasantly wonderful gravel in his voice. I would actually be ecstatic if they introduced a few LaBrie/Rudess duets in some songs.
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But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.
Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.
Will be a fact. Sorry for say it too soon! :lol
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Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird. If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public? Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly.
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Anyway, I still thinking that the worst for a band is to replace the singer or the guitar player. Ad yes, I'm taking into account what MP represented for DT.
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Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird. If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public? Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly.
Because he's probably slept on it for months. Just because it's new to us doesn't mean it's new to him.
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I wonder what Kevin Moore has to say about this.
Nothing, and who gives a fuck.
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Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird. If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public? Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly.
Because he's probably slept on it for months. Just because it's new to us doesn't mean it's new to him.
I am sure that is true, but Petrucci did say it all went down on Wednesday, so announcing his departure the same day still seems awfully hasty (assuming what JP said is true, and not him taking the high road and not flinging mud).
I wonder what Kevin Moore has to say about this.
Nothing, and who gives a fuck.
Some of us would be curious to hear Kevin Moore's take on things. We aren't gonna get it :lol, but some of us would like to hear it.
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I think Kevin Moores feelings about Mike Portnoy leaving can be summed up by these quotes.
Now that you're gone I'm trying to take it
Learning to swallow the rage
This is not how I want it to end
It would probably end by him saying that he could never be open again.
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Some of us would be curious to hear Kevin Moore's take on things. We aren't gonna get it :lol, but some of us would like to hear it.
I'd be curious, and I'm sure he's had some thoughts about it. That is, if he even knows. At the same time, the idea of him coming out to make a comment about DT NOW would seem kinda pathetic to me.
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Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird. If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public? Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly.
Because he's probably slept on it for months. Just because it's new to us doesn't mean it's new to him.
I am sure that is true, but Petrucci did say it all went down on Wednesday, so announcing his departure the same day still seems awfully hasty (assuming what JP said is true, and not him taking the high road and not flinging mud).
If Mike had known for ages then he was probably ready to announce it by Wednesday. If he was going to announce it then surely it only makes sense for the band to announce it at the same time rather than waiting.
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jeez! I was kidding
You can't yet. It's still too early to joke about. Sorry.
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But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.
Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.
So you want everyone to go around putting 'IMO' at the end of all their posts? If someone's posting it then ofc it's gonna be what they think. People are allowed to say what they think, whether you disagree with it or not. I notice you're not posting your opinions as opinions, just as normal posts. Why should anyone have to do anything different?
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But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.
Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.
So you want everyone to go around putting 'IMO' at the end of all their posts? If someone's posting it then ofc it's gonna be what they think. People are allowed to say what they think, whether you disagree with it or not. I notice you're not posting your opinions as opinions, just as normal posts. Why should anyone have to do anything different?
lol<3
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it's all about you, not me comes on when i'm thinking MP, hahaha you're right buddy.
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But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.
Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.
Oh, come on.
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Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird. If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public? Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly.
Kev, mabye I'm wrong but didn't someone post that they've been talking to Portnoy for the last 2 weeks about not leaving?
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This is kind of related but more so in terms of how the forums work here... will all non-DT MP discussion take place here in this forum? Or should it be done in the General Music Discussion forum, as has been done with JLB's upcoming solo album? Just something to point out that I don't think has been pointed out yet... Perhaps there can be a DT-Member-Related Music Discussion forum? Sure it won't have a lot in it (well, it might soon considering JLB's Static Impulse, the third Jelly Jam album, JP's solo album, and whatever MP has coming up on the horizon), but it'd be a good way to keep all those topics in one area so people won't have to sift through things here and in GMD.
-Marc.
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But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.
Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.
So you want everyone to go around putting 'IMO' at the end of all their posts? If someone's posting it then ofc it's gonna be what they think. People are allowed to say what they think, whether you disagree with it or not. I notice you're not posting your opinions as opinions, just as normal posts. Why should anyone have to do anything different?
I don't think being diplomatic and saying what you think in a forthright and clear manner are mutually exclusive. Nor is the process limited to suffixing your posts with "IMO."
I don't tend to find myself very fond of people who speak in absolutes. If you don't mean to be taken literally, then write the words you mean. People will only take away what's there, for starters, but I also usually find people like that a lot more gracious and likeable.
Besides which, if everyone expressed their opinions as facts... how would anyone be able to distinguish the facts from the speculation? They're completely different things. A fact needs a binary opposite for "factiness" to have any innate significance. If someone states their opinion as a fact, then I'm going to assume that they want it to be read as an absolute. If I've read the words comprehensively and thoroughly, and still not read what was intended to be expressed, then the mistake's in the writing.
Sorry. Bit of a purist. Maybe it's my problem. But I myself find it difficult to sympathise with people who complain about being misunderstood, when if they'd written what they meant in the first place they wouldn't've been. The person complaining has usually precisely understood exactly the words that were typed: it's a miswriting rather than a misunderstanding.
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But rob, if he is talking about an event to happen in the future, such as the above example (Portnoy will realize his mistake), then it obviously isn't a fact. Unless the poster is harboring a heretofore unrecognized divine nature, that kind of comment would ipso facto be an opinion.
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But rob, if he is talking about an event to happen in the future, such as the above example (Portnoy will realize his mistake), then it obviously isn't a fact. Unless the poster is harboring a heretofore unrecognized divine nature, that kind of comment would ipso facto be an opinion.
Oh yeah, definitely. I'm responding to BodiesinFlight's statement, rather than the specific example cited.
That said, I think even a prediction, when expressed as fact can come across as being very dismissive of other possibilities. "Ohhh, Person A is obviously going to transform into a leaf." "How can you know that?" "Come on." I do think it's generally prudent, even with predictive opinions, to show at least a certain degree of humility.
Anyway! We digress.
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Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird. If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public? Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly.
Kev, mabye I'm wrong but didn't someone post that they've been talking to Portnoy for the last 2 weeks about not leaving?
It was someone claiming they were petrucci's brother in law. But from JP's recent posts it seems like it only just happend so that guy was obviously making it up.
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But rob, if he is talking about an event to happen in the future, such as the above example (Portnoy will realize his mistake), then it obviously isn't a fact. Unless the poster is harboring a heretofore unrecognized divine nature, that kind of comment would ipso facto be an opinion.
Oh yeah, definitely. I'm responding to BodiesinFlight's statement, rather than the specific example cited.
That said, I think even a prediction, when expressed as fact can come across as being very dismissive of other possibilities. "Ohhh, Person A is obviously going to transform into a leaf." "How can you know that?" "Come on." I do think it's generally prudent, even with predictive opinions, to show at least a certain degree of humility.
Anyway! We digress.
I appreciate your point Rob, I just think that it's ridiculous for people to have to change the wording of their posts to make sure everyone understands that what they might be saying is an opinion and not a fact. I think to do otherwise kinda negates the point of being a forum if you see what I mean.
Sorry! I've digressed again :lol
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I had to take a day off from DTF to let this news sink in, and I am still very sad. I cannot believe Mike is leaving, out of all people I did not expect it to be him. Now I do applaud him for following his heart, this could not have been an easy decision in the least, as I am sure he thought it through from all points of view, including us the fans. I wish him all the luck, except I hope he returns sometime in the future to play with Dream Theater. Good luck Mike, thanks for all the great music you have helped Dream Theater make.
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I wonder how will their newest album be recieved...maybe things are cooling down a bit on this forum and we're getting somewhat more rational, but thousands of fans throughout the world (and Portnoy diehards) are probably not going to support a Portnoy-less DT a lot..
I don't see myself supporting them without him.
And I can't see myself supporting Avenged Sevenfold, they sound like a typical alternative rock band...some kind of Staind or something boring.
This sucks.
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I wonder how will their newest album be recieved...maybe things are cooling down a bit on this forum and we're getting somewhat more rational, but thousands of fans throughout the world (and Portnoy diehards) are probably not going to support a Portnoy-less DT a lot..
I don't see myself supporting them without him.
And I can't see myself supporting Avenged Sevenfold, they sound like a typical alternative rock band...some kind of Staind or something boring.
This sucks.
Ok, well nice knowing you.
And A7X are very clearly a metal band.
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Ok, well nice knowing you.
And A7X are very clearly a metal band.
Metal, maybe. But not that clearly. You've got to admit they have been incorporating more pop/alternative elements to their music since City of Evil (Seize the Day, M.I.A.), and even Waking the Fallen (Remenissions, this is a really good song though).
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After taking a day off them to take in the news, I am now listening to Metropolis Pt. 1. Whatever band he plays in, MP is one hell of a drummer.
The both of you will (someone harmonise with me! ;)) BE CONFINED!!! :metal
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Ok, well nice knowing you.
And A7X are very clearly a metal band.
Metal, maybe. But not that clearly. You've got to admit they have been incorporating more pop/alternative elements to their music since City of Evil (Seize the Day, M.I.A.), and even Waking the Fallen (Remenissions, this is a really good song though).
They were metal but they're more hard rock these days I suppose.
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Regarding Kev's question, I would imagine that the idea of a break or longer hiatus has been discussed for longer, but the actual decision to part ways happened very suddenly on Wednesday. That's my understanding anyway.
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Ok, well nice knowing you.
And A7X are very clearly a metal band.
Metal, maybe. But not that clearly. You've got to admit they have been incorporating more pop/alternative elements to their music since City of Evil (Seize the Day, M.I.A.), and even Waking the Fallen (Remenissions, this is a really good song though).
They were metal but they're more hard rock these days I suppose.
Coming to think about it, I agree.
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Regarding Kev's question, I would imagine that the idea of a break or longer hiatus has been discussed for longer, but the actual decision to part ways happened very suddenly on Wednesday. That's my understanding anyway.
This actually, now I think about it.
ariich to the rescue!
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I wonder whether mp.com will enforce some kind of separation of topics from now on.
rumborak
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The smugest forum I've ever been to?
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Ugh dude. Can you post a single post without inciting things?
rumborak
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I still can't register on the JP forum and have forgotten my login for MP forum
Of all the times for that to happen... ::)
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I still can't register on the JP forum and have forgotten my login for MP forum
Of all the times for that to happen... ::)
From what I understand, JP has shut down registration for the time being on his forum.
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I still can't register on the JP forum and have forgotten my login for MP forum
Of all the times for that to happen... ::)
From what I understand, JP has shut down registration for the time being on his forum.
Yeah, so I gather, fair enough I suppose. Thought he might have allowed it again by now.
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If he is smart he will leave it closed for a few months. You don't want people joining simply because they want to ask him a question, and it will be nice for those who have been there a long time to get some time to enjoy this new perk.
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I wonder what Kevin Moore has to say about this.
Nothing, and who gives a fuck.
Jeez, I thought Kevin Moore was enough of a joke for this to be taken the opposite of seriously.
*looks at post count*
Oh, you're just a nub. Understandable. Carry on.
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:lol
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My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
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Just tried to sign in over at MP.com and forgot I got banned. lol
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I don't see any need to sign up at MP's or JP's forum. I mean, whatever they are going to post or say can be read if you have guest status and will inevitably end up here as well anyway. And if I had a question, chances are that I wouldn't get an answer anyway, so I'll spare myself the fruitless efforts.
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My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
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(https://i.imgur.com/RurHa.png)
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Could this be a mid-life crisis thing? He's having so much fun with these young dudes and enjoying mainstream fame that now he doesn't want to leave it. Will it pass?
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My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
Is that the one you got from pre-ordered the album through FYE.com? If so, I have one of those... not framed though.
-Marc.
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My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
Mine isn't, my wife doesn't like it so it's hiding behind one of our shelves. :(
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My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
If you guys are experiencing inanimate objects displaying human like emotions, I suggest you see a doctor or therapist. At least that's what my Sigmund Freud action figure told me.
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My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
If you guys are experiencing inanimate objects displaying human like emotions, I suggest you see a doctor or therapist. At least that's what my Sigmund Freud action figure told me.
Your action figure is actually controlled by the government. You're about to be caught. You will die.
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You people and you're one thing... in this room alone I have MP's picture or a poster of something he's on staring me over six times over, twice signed.
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If I would have brought all their album booklets to the signing, would that have too much? Sure would suck if I couldn't have got them all signed.
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Looks like MP will be on Eddie Trunk tonight 11:30pm EST
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT
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Wait, this means their next album will have less balls in the metal, but more prog... Hmm, I like. Best of luck to Portnoy.
Now you're thinking like me! :D
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Looks like MP will be on Eddie Trunk tonight 11:30pm EST
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT
Chris Jericho is probably going to show up and crap on DT like he did with his twitter post.
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Are Eddie's interviews available after the fact? I know I won't be around for this.
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I'm sure someone here will be around to listen to the show and offer us transcriptions of the important bits.
-Marc.
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Why would Jericho crap on DT? I thought they were his favorite band.
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Yeah, but he's friends with Portnoy, not the rest of them as far as I know.
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DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird
Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.
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I'm definetly gonna listen to what MP has to say/ I'll try my best to give a summary of what happens later 2morrow.
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DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird
Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.
I took it as him saying that DT deciding to continue on without MP was a mistake, not that they ousted MP.
Who knows?
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Could this be a mid-life crisis thing? He's having so much fun with these young dudes and enjoying mainstream fame that now he doesn't want to leave it. Will it pass?
If it is something like that, I'd imagine that he would regret it at least a bit once the honeymoon ends, and he realizes that a lot of the things that he didn't find fun about Dream Theater also exist with A7X.
Obviously at this point we know that there was probably more to it than what he said in his statement, but stating that he left because he was having more fun with Transatlantic and A7X seems shortsighted. Most things are more consistently fun and exciting when you rarely do them. His solution, doing those more, completely ignores that and could easily cause the same problems with those things.
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Looks like MP will be on Eddie Trunk tonight 11:30pm EST
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT
Is this tv, radio, webcast?
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DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird
Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.
I took it as him saying that DT deciding to continue on without MP was a mistake, not that they ousted MP.
Who knows?
I have no idea what he would expect them to do. Sit around and not make money?
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Looks like MP will be on Eddie Trunk tonight 11:30pm EST
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT
Is this tv, radio, webcast?
I believe Eddie Trunk has a website. Be sure to check that out for all the info because I'm not sure.
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DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird
Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.
I took it as him saying that DT deciding to continue on without MP was a mistake, not that they ousted MP.
Who knows?
I have no idea what he would expect them to do. Sit around and not make money?
I'm not sure orc. I'm sure MP just wanted DT to wait and take a break, so I assumed he was just siding with MP.
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My new background.
(https://i51.tinypic.com/5mq21.jpg)
I love Steve-Theater.
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DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird
Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.
Huh, I read that as "they let him go! Oh noes big mistake you guys are perfect for each other"
you know, that kind of statement. Not implying or siding just being a friend and fan who's perturbed. But what do I know.
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Yeah, that's my new one too, Steve is the man.
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My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
No it's not. It's screaming "I AM THE LAAAAAAAAAAAST (one of these you'll ever be getting)".
I've been making sure to keep a few basic facts in mind, with all this, personally:
1 - the band didn't break up. ONE member left... just one of five.
2 - it's entirely possible for your favorite band to no longer exist as it once did, and still be your favorite band
3 - the music and concerts and experiences that I was fortunate enough to share with this incarnation of this band aren't going to go away just because MP does -- I still have the music and the memories and the experiences, and they're all fantastic
4 - they're all still alive, so there's always chance for a reunion.. if one had died I'd be wishing to God that he'd only left. Maybe I got my wish already and don't know it.. and here I am bitching. Shame on me.
What great fucking memories I've made with the help of Dream Theater (MP edition) -- I'm glad for all of them.
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4 - they're all still alive, so there's always chance for a reunion.. if one had died I'd be wishing to God that he'd only left. Maybe I got my wish already and don't know it.
Whoa. :justjen
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Silly little thought...
Interested to see where the artwork goes, for the next album. And title. I always got the impression that was basically Mike's job. Wonder if they'll go to Hugh Syme again, or do something different.
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I just saw this on a Blabbermouth comment. I had to share it.
I think MP left DT because John Myung wouldn't shut up....
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:lol
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:rollin
:myungwoot:
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JR official statement
https://jcrudess.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/jordan-rudess-official-statement/
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First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:
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Wow, took them long enough, but a blabbermouth poster finally had a great comment.
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First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:
:'(
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First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:
Which will be a step in the direction of Pirate Metal with John Petrucci doing background bear growls. Hot damn, I can't wait.
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I just saw this on a Blabbermouth comment. I had to share it.
I think MP left DT because John Myung wouldn't shut up....
:hat
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bear growls
:2metal:
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I find it pretty funny that when BC&SL came out I made a topic saying that Mike was hitting a mid-life crisis. You guys ALL flamed me and treated me like a fool, but now I see people agreeing with me?
Another thing is his dad just died... I am sure that even magnified the fact that he is getting older...
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I wonder if TBOT was not only just about his dad. Hmmm.....
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I do remember someone, though I don't know who, when MP first hit the road with A7X, that he might end up leaving DT. I thought that was pretty far fetched, but whoever that was is apparently wise beyond his years. This may have already been mentioned, but I just learned about this yesterday afternoon and didn't really have time to sift through 25 pages of posts. Much of what I might say in the next few days could be redundant due to that, so please be understanding with me.
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There's a toss up between Tommy Lee and Lars Ulrich..... I wonder who they'll pick
Does Avenge Sevenfold have any good songs?
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Just because I like whacky theories...
WDADU - 8 Songs
IAW - 8 Songs, New Member (JLB)
Awake - 11 Songs
FII - 11 Songs, New Member (DS)
SFAM - 12 Songs, New Member (JR), Concept album
SDOIT - 6 Songs
TOT - 7 Songs
8VM - 8 Songs
SC - 7 Songs
BC&SL - 6 Songs
DT11 - New Member (drummer)... Concept album with 12 songs? :neverusethis:
DT12 - 11 Songs? New Member?
DT13 - 11 Songs?
DT14 - 8 Songs? New Member?
DT15 - 8 Songs...final album?
Hmmm...
-Marc.
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I'm sorry. I refuse to accept any theory that marks Octavarium as the climax of their career.
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There's a toss up between Tommy Lee and Lars Ulrich..... I wonder who they'll pick
Does Avenge Sevenfold have any good songs?
Just in your fucking nightmare
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I wonder if TBOT was not only just about his dad. Hmmm.....
Don't take that song out of context. The (little and poor) imagery that song has clearly adduces to a paternal love.
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Does Avenge Sevenfold have any good songs?
Dear God and A Piece of Heaven are good. They are virtually the opposite of everything else they play. (Not that I don't enjoy their music, but it's no comparrison whatsoever to DT.)
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There's a toss up between Tommy Lee and Lars Ulrich..... I wonder who they'll pick
Does Avenge Sevenfold have any good songs?
Their drumming seems to have improved recently, but the answer to your question is "no".
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www.q1043.com
click listen live to hear interview with MP
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I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye. Sorry you wouldn't stay.
Y'know what? It's irritating shit like this that made me shy away from this forum in the first place. Clearly you post too much as it is seeing as you're nearing 20,000. :omg: Got life? I would expect more from a moderator. You clearly represent less. Good to know that you can make off handed remarks at another's expense. And I'm not just talking about my remarks either. I read what you say elsewhere and I'm quite underwhelmed. I guess anyone can moderate... right?
Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.
Yes, I know that he's not the only member. Each member of this band is a stellar performer and there's no doubt about that. But finding a drummer at the level that Mike has maintained over these years is going to be nearly impossible. HA! What are they going to do? Offer Neil Peart a spot? Bozzio maybe? Not gonna happen. DT, as I have known them since I&W, is done. They may go on with whomever. But no Mike, no DT for me. It's been a great ride. Time to get off.
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lol
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lol
This.
I know you mentioned it in your post, buuuuut...
do you know you were talking to a moderator?
Ya know... the people that give teh banhammer?
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What a lengthy angry reply to such a standard short comment by Hef.
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I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye. Sorry you wouldn't stay.
Y'know what? It's irritating shit like this that made me shy away from this forum in the first place. Clearly you post too much as it is seeing as you're nearing 20,000. :omg: Got life? I would expect more from a moderator. You clearly represent less. Good to know that you can make off handed remarks at another's expense. And I'm not just talking about my remarks either. I read what you say elsewhere and I'm quite underwhelmed. I guess anyone can moderate... right?
Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.
Yes, I know that he's not the only member. Each member of this band is a stellar performer and there's no doubt about that. But finding a drummer at the level that Mike has maintained over these years is going to be nearly impossible. HA! What are they going to do? Offer Neil Peart a spot? Bozzio maybe? Not gonna happen. DT, as I have known them since I&W, is done. They may go on with whomever. But no Mike, no DT for me. It's been a great ride. Time to get off.
Goes against all my instincts to be so monosyllabic, would usually bite your ear off (then type an essay about it) but...
That's a bit of a presumption, surely?
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lol
do you know you were talking to a moderator?
WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.
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I just heard about this today. With the news came a great deal of shame regarding how crumby of a fan I've been over the last year or so. I've had a love affair with DT for about 12 years now. BCSL should arrive on my doorstep tomorrow sometime. Also, I just registered here. This is my first, and likely my last post. I just wanted to express how I feel. I'm not trying to talk smack, but .... ... ..
It feels like Optimus Prime just woke up one morning and decided to join the Decepticons, complete with a kneeling before Megatron ceremony. That's the best analogy that I can come up with. As upset as I am, I wish the best for both Mr. Portnoy, as well as what remains of Dream Theater, my favorite band in the world.
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Just for future reference, trying to make an objective argument about how Portnoy is Dream Theater while you have a picture of him and 'Mike Portnoy > God' in your sig is going to be a hard sell.
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lol
do you know you were talking to a moderator?
WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.
Well then it's ironic you attacked hef, as he is the only moderator, nay the only being capable of actually taking your life. He won't kill you, he will look at you, and then you will be lifeless. I've seen it happen. Then lonestar will cook you.
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lol
do you know you were talking to a moderator?
WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.
Well then it's ironic you attacked hef, as he is the only moderator, nay the only being capable of actually taking your life. He won't kill you, he will look at you, and then you will be lifeless. I've seen it happen. Then lonestar will cook you.
He can actually turn people into pterodactyls just by smiling at them.
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Adami you really should get life.
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lol
do you know you were talking to a moderator?
WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.
Well then it's ironic you attacked hef, as he is the only moderator, nay the only being capable of actually taking your life. He won't kill you, he will look at you, and then you will be lifeless. I've seen it happen. Then lonestar will cook you.
mmmmm, noob burgers with extra bacon
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Adami you really should get life.
I got life, I lose life, hef look, I no longer life.
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lol
do you know you were talking to a moderator?
WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.
Surely they can take your life... on here.
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First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:
As a Nightwish fan, I am offended...but as a DT fan, I am :rollin, So i am conflicted.
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I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye. Sorry you wouldn't stay.
Y'know what? It's irritating shit like this that made me shy away from this forum in the first place. Clearly you post too much as it is seeing as you're nearing 20,000. :omg: Got life? I would expect more from a moderator. You clearly represent less. Good to know that you can make off handed remarks at another's expense. And I'm not just talking about my remarks either. I read what you say elsewhere and I'm quite underwhelmed. I guess anyone can moderate... right?
Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.
Yes, I know that he's not the only member. Each member of this band is a stellar performer and there's no doubt about that. But finding a drummer at the level that Mike has maintained over these years is going to be nearly impossible. HA! What are they going to do? Offer Neil Peart a spot? Bozzio maybe? Not gonna happen. DT, as I have known them since I&W, is done. They may go on with whomever. But no Mike, no DT for me. It's been a great ride. Time to get off.
Hef may have been nice, considering he was the one who's comment was in question he might have felt there was a conflict in interest in banning you. I however, hold no such grudges, so like Hef I say goodbye, but when I say good day... I SAID GOOD DAY.
On a serious note this user took something way out of context (Hef was simply saying that if he didn't want to participate then don't participate) and attacked a moderator in the process, and frankly with things as hectic as they are right now we don't need that here.
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lol
do you know you were talking to a moderator?
WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.
Well then it's ironic you attacked hef, as he is the only moderator, nay the only being capable of actually taking your life. He won't kill you, he will look at you, and then you will be lifeless. I've seen it happen. Then lonestar will cook you.
He can actually turn people into pterodactyls just by smiling at them.
I heard he can turn a can opener into the Mona Lisa...or was that Lonestar?
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I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye. Sorry you wouldn't stay.
Y'know what? It's irritating shit like this that made me shy away from this forum in the first place. Clearly you post too much as it is seeing as you're nearing 20,000. :omg: Got life? I would expect more from a moderator. You clearly represent less. Good to know that you can make off handed remarks at another's expense. And I'm not just talking about my remarks either. I read what you say elsewhere and I'm quite underwhelmed. I guess anyone can moderate... right?
Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.
Yes, I know that he's not the only member. Each member of this band is a stellar performer and there's no doubt about that. But finding a drummer at the level that Mike has maintained over these years is going to be nearly impossible. HA! What are they going to do? Offer Neil Peart a spot? Bozzio maybe? Not gonna happen. DT, as I have known them since I&W, is done. They may go on with whomever. But no Mike, no DT for me. It's been a great ride. Time to get off.
Hef may have been nice, considering he was the one who's comment was in question he might have felt there was a conflict in interest in banning you. I however, hold no such grudges, so like Hef I say goodbye, but when I say good day... I SAID GOOD DAY.
On a serious note this user took something way out of context (Hef was simply saying that if he didn't want to participate then don't participate) and attacked a moderator in the process, and frankly with things as hectic as they are right now we don't need that here.
lol WTF
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I cried when I heard the news. It just isn't going to be the same Dream Theater without him.
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:|
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I cried when I read DT1's angry reply to hef.
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I cried when I read DT1's angry reply to hef.
Of laughter?
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I cried when I read DT1's angry reply to hef.
I did too.
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Unbelievable, but yet I'm very anxious to see where they're going without MP.
(Or in other words: what everyone else said)
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I cried when I read DT1's angry reply to hef.
I did too.
John "Bluto" Blutarsky would never cry. ;)
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Yeah, he wouldn't, but Jake Blues might.
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You know, I just read DT1's post while listening to that Phil Davison speech from GD, and as a result, it took on the same tone. Very amusing.
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... so my gf, my best friend, and his gf were about to take off from the skating rink earlier... and i couldnt help myself. i had to say it...
"Lets make like Portnoy and leave"
...
too soon?
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... so my gf, my best friend, and his gf were about to take off from the skating rink earlier... and i couldnt help myself. i had to say it...
"Lets make like Portnoy and leave"
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too soon?
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Yeah, he wouldn't, but Jake Blues might.
:lol
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Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.
Why do crazy fanboys like this - who supposedly know every single thing about DT because they're, well, crazy fanboys - always somehow forget that Portnoy didn't, "create DT." Two thirds of DT existed well before Portnoy on Long Island when Petrucci and Myung grew up together and used to jam together every single day.
And, they'll continue without him.
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But... we're all supposed to be blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band. This is no time for staying calm, appreciating what we have, and hoping for the best. Everybody needs to freak the fuck out!
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LOL
"Magnitude"
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But... we're all supposed to be blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band. This is no time for staying calm, appreciating what we have, and hoping for the best. Everybody needs to freak the fuck out!
*freaks the fuck out*
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But... we're all supposed to be blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band. This is no time for staying calm, appreciating what we have, and hoping for the best. Everybody needs to freak the fuck out!
(https://imgur.com/bgCMl.gif)
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(https://snoo.ws/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/david-after-dentist-screaming.png)
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...
(https://arnearts.com/v/tubeman.jpeg)
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First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:
(https://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss37/ibloop/898750263490b2fd8625d8.png)
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... so my gf, my best friend, and his gf were about to take off from the skating rink earlier... and i couldnt help myself. i had to say it...
"Lets make like Portnoy and leave"
...
too soon?
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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This place never changes. I'm so conflicted.
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This band never changes. I'm so conflicted.
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Your underwear never changes. I'm so disgusted.
sirslee, me too
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.....I'm not quite sure how my post could have been interpreted as insulting to you jenny, but if you feel the need to insult me.........go ahead, I can take it. I'm tough....
:'(
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.....I'm not quite sure how my post could have been interpreted as insulting to you jenny, but if you feel the need to insult me.........go ahead, I can take it. I'm tough....
:'(
*pats shoulder*
it'll be okay. i once knew a guy who was in a band for twenty five years and then circumstances dictated he leave and he got through it, and I'm sure you'll get through this. And you know what?
YOU"RE GONNA SHINE.
there now, go change your underwear like a good little man.
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Seriously though I was just listening to 8V earlier today and now so many lyrics make me think that this was coming even back then...
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.....I'm not quite sure how my post could have been interpreted as insulting to you jenny, but if you feel the need to insult me.........go ahead, I can take it. I'm tough....
:'(
*pats shoulder*
it'll be okay. i once knew a guy who was in a band for twenty five years and then circumstances dictated he leave and he got through it, and I'm sure you'll get through this. And you know what?
YOU"RE GONNA SHINE.
there now, go change your underwear like a good little man.
Ok.........dunno what your problem is, but good luck with it all.
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Seriously though I was just listening to 8V earlier today and now so many lyrics make me think that this was coming even back then...
Eh, I don't know. You can read it into anything if you try hard enough.
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Seriously though I was just listening to 8V earlier today and now so many lyrics make me think that this was coming even back then...
Eh, I don't know. You can read it into anything if you try hard enough.
Every DT album is a concept album.
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Seriously though I was just listening to 8V earlier today and now so many lyrics make me think that this was coming even back then...
Eh, I don't know. You can read it into anything if you try hard enough.
Every DT album is a concept album.
:neverusethis:
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I guess Mike Portnoy could only take so much of us and our ungrateful ways. We can't say we weren't warned. :p
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I guess Mike Portnoy could only take so much of us and our ungrateful ways. We can't say we weren't warned. :p
Think about his carpets!
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Every Dream Theater album is actually secretly a concept album about Mike leaving the band. Moore figured it out, which is why Mike gave him the shaft.
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Every Dream Theater album is actually secretly a concept album about Mike leaving the band. Moore figured it out, which is why Mike gave him the shaft.
:facepalm:
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:therearenowords:
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I guess seeing TROAE, TGP & TDS in one show is as close to seeing 12Steps live as ill get for now.
How close have you guys got, have they even played repentance or TSF yet?
Matt
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Repentance was played in NY in '08. It's on the Fan Club CD.
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Repentance was played in NY in '08. It's on the Fan Club CD.
Ahh so they did.
Thanks,
Matt
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If given the choice between:
A) Dream goes on two year hiatus
B) Dream Theater records new record in 1-11-11 and tours without MP
I would choose B. Four-fifths of Dream Theater is better than no parts Dream Theater (for two or more years).
At least I'll have something to tide me over until MP's eventual return.
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It's not going to go down well with the new drummer if MP is allowed to return to the band.
No, I think this is the end of Portnoy with DT.
Personally, I am glad to see DT taking a new direction. If there was anyone i'd want leaving DT from the current lineup, it's Mike.
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After hearing MP's interview last night I don't think this will be permanent.
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Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,
"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."
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Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,
"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."
I think, if that were ever even a possibility, things wouldn't've ended up like this.
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Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,
"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."
I doubt it. This isn't Metallica. It's not like JP, JLB, JR and JM (wow that's a lot of J's) haven't played with tons of other musicians. They've all had plenty of experience with other drummers. It's not like Mike has been all they knew. Sure DT was always mike on drums, but I'm sure they can adapt.
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:MP: I demand this to be taken down; he is no longer a member! :neverusethis:
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A statement by MP's sister on his forum:
Before I write this, understand that this is MY statement. Mike might kill me for speaking up, but I just can't sit by quietly. I guess I'm like Mike in that way.
PLEASE stop reading between the lines with this whole situation. There is no hidden meaning in all of this (is there ever with Mike? The guy is an open book with his fans!!). Everything Mike said in his interview with Eddie Trunk, in his press release or otherwise is everything he has been saying to me for the past year, at least. He LOVES the other (DT) guys and their families. They have grown up together, married women that were (and are) best friends, have raised their kids as best friends. They are family. This was not an easy decision for him as a drummer, founding band member (and band leader) or person.
Let's put 25 years into perspective. I am 40. I met John and John when I was 15. How many friends do I still have that I have had to live AND work with for the past 25 years? Not a single one. I can't imagine looking at the same group of people for that many years and being able to come up with new, fun ideas (that will then be judged the world over). My friends and I get stuck on doing the same things on random weekend gatherings!
Remember, this is strictly my perspective here...
You'd think that being a rock star would be 100% fun 100% of the time. But I know that Mike works extremely hard and takes every bit of this experience to heart. You might think you know, but you have no idea (to borrow a line from Behind the Music). It is a part of who he is as a person, it is definitely not just a job. He's been running at a pace (WITH DREAM THEATER) most people couldn't keep up for a few months, much less 25 years. He just wants a break. He wants to have the chance to play with other musicians and be reminded of how special this all is. He wants to have fun and not be in charge of every detail for a bit. (And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.)
The way I see it, it's not a matter of Mike not wanting to be in DT (Remember, he DOES want to be in DT... he NEVER wanted or planned to leave the band). Giving up Dream Theater must be like giving up a child for him. I know it's been horribly painful. But I am extremely proud of him for recognizing that he needs to be reinvigorated and for doing what he needs to do to make that happen. You know Mike. He does not do anything half-assed. He wants every drop of music that Dream Theater releases to be perfect and fulfilling for everyone. Right now, he is guaranteeing that he can't do that. Maybe (apparently) the other guys don't feel the same about this situation, I can't speak to that, but he knows that he needs a break to be able to bring the best of himself to the table. There is no alterier motive. He genuinely just needs a break. He needs a break that allows him to find new inspiration and have some down time. When he has done his other side projects, if you think he was not also working on DT stuff, you'd be incredibly mistaken.
I guess I got a bit long-winded there... sorry, but it's torture to sit back and watch my brother getting ripped apart or criticized for making this incredibly INCREDIBLY hard choice. And for those of you who are supporting/understanding of his decision, I want you to know HOW MUCH it is appreciated.
Thanks for listening...
~ Sam
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How irritating. Not that she's defending her brother, but that she doesn't understand why people (at least me, personally, and I'm sure other people) have criticized him. It's not that he wanted to leave DT. That's his choice and I even understand the reasons. It's that he's TRYING TO PIN IT ON THE OTHER GUYS. He should just be a man and say, "I WANT TO DO OTHER THINGS," not, "Well, uh, THEY put ME in this position," as if their careers and livelihoods aren't as important as his. So, yeah.... NO.
edit..
I can reword this or delete it if it seems inflammatory.... really wasn't meant to be. Mods - delete it if necessary or tell me to modify it and it will be done.
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I see merit in what she said. As well as what everyone has said. Luckily, DT's hardcore fan-base seems to be made up of fairly intelligent people. Perhaps this brand of music attracts that sort of mind. Everyone's got different stances and biases towards this. Most of them are not unfounded. I don't think we'll ever even get close to having a union of feeling toward this. I think we're all just gonna take our places and wait and see what happens. The bombshell effect has, for the most part, finished. We are now waiting for the next big chunk of news. That may be an announcement on a new drummer...or that the band is breaking up...or that Mike isn't leaving after all. But, as of now, most of us appear to have made up our minds on the events as they have unfolded thus fat. It's simply a matter of waiting and seeing what happens next.
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I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.
(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.)
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
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I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.
(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.)
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
My thoughts exactly. Must you always be right about everything Rob?
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I agree with rob. Of course, as his sister, she's bound to be a bit biased at least, but I think she's taking the defending thing a bit too far.
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I don't think any of them need defending, Mike included. They are all grown men, and they have all made their decisions. They will live or die with the consequences of the decisions they've made. That's it.
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Man it's kinda fun watching everyone's frustrations with Mike start to bubble over (not fun for Mike, of course).
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Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,
"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."
I really hope this doesn't happen.
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Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,
"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."
I really hope this doesn't happen.
Me too. And frankly, after all of the assurances they have put out in the last few days, including all of the good will that JP has engendered with his Q & A sessions, that would be a PR nightmare.
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Sad news. :'(
I wish the best to all of them and hope for more awesome music.
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I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.
(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.)
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
My thoughts exactly. Must you always be right about everything Rob?
Haha, that's a relief. I looked back and was worried I was being a bit harsh. Almost edited it.
The rest is fine! Good! I agree with her even. There's an inherent danger in reading too much into things, as you can end up treating people as though they've said things that they explicitly haven't. He's been very gracious in giving a half hour interview, and although it's just one side of the story, we should make sure we take our guesses with a pinch of salt. (and we're right to guess! we care about things we could never know, guessing isn't so much "clutching at straws" as "all we've got") But I think it's a bit low to go "oh, the band can't exist without my brother and you'd be silly and ignorant to think otherwise." They can, do, and will.
It's not so much "no idea what we're talking about," more "an accurate historical representation of current events."
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Yeah... I'm not gonna bash Mike's sister because I can understand her coming to the defense of her brother. Though it was completely unnecessary. And, honestly, only reinforced the incorrect assumption that Mike's a control-freak and that the other guys in DT aren't "good enough" to run the show.
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Oh man this was like a kick in the nuts! MP no longer in DT?! Is it DT without MP? I dont know what to say or think ???
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Is it DT without MP?
Most definitely yes.
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I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.
(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.)
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
You know what? I see it differently : my guess is that she implies, in defense of her brother, that he does NOT have the reins all for himself, but that the others have them also. Now, I may be wrong of course.
BTW, I find it also a little harsh implying that Poor Little Mike ONLY is the victim. After all, what she has to keep in mind is that it's MP who left. And TBH, MP does not appear to me as having the status of victim.
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Its funny how she says she's tired of everyone reading between the lines of MP's statement, only for everyone to read between the lines on her statement.
Bit of a funny thing there.
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Mike can't do anything without making it into a big deal. Not meaning that in a bad way at all, either. But, I mean, did anyone really think he would or could just leave quietly and have that be it?
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Its funny how she says she's tired of everyone reading between the lines of MP's statement, only for everyone to read between the lines on her statement.
Bit of a funny thing there.
It's because we're all funny guys, you know. :rollin
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I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.
(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.)
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
You know what? I see it differently : my guess is that she implies, in defense of her brother, that he does NOT have the reins all for himself, but that the others have them also. Now, I may be wrong of course.
BTW, I find it also a little harsh implying that Poor Little Mike ONLY is the victim. After all, what she has to keep in mind is that it's MP who left. And TBH, MP does not appear to me as having the status of victim.
Hmm, you know what, I'm actually with you on that one. MP did a hell of a lot of work with DT but he certainly wasn't controlling the band. The way she worded it was almost saying "You people are being so ridiculous I'm not even going to dignify it with a full response".
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^I got that vibe as well.^
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With everything that has been said, I think this is the right decision for the band.
There are plenty of great drummers out there who can perform to the level of Portnoy, do not doubt that for a second. He will be missed, but DT can start a new chapter in their careers, and i'm interested now more than ever to hear something fresh, without the influence of Portnoy.
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It's still pretty sad that Mike left, heck it's always sad when a founding/core-member leaves a group you like.
I see a lot of people thinking/hoping that things will work out somehow and MP will rejoin the band within a year or so, and i can understand that, because you always hope for things to stay the same when it comes to the things you like.
However, looking at it from a neutral point of view, i'd say the chances for that happening are pretty low.
Sure it might happen, along with snowballs in hell or flying pigs.
Overall i think it could be a good thing though.
When i look back at the newest DT-releases, counting back to Train of Thought which is the last release i think was really solid, i don't find myself caring as much for the newest 3.
They all have qualities, but overall a slightly disappointment IMO.
A change will most likely affect the direction they'll be taking, the sound, the lyrics... well everything, and i'm way more interested in getting something new, then getting BC&SL 2 in 2011.
Just my 5 cents.
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I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.
(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.)
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
You know what? I see it differently : my guess is that she implies, in defense of her brother, that he does NOT have the reins all for himself, but that the others have them also. Now, I may be wrong of course.
BTW, I find it also a little harsh implying that Poor Little Mike ONLY is the victim. After all, what she has to keep in mind is that it's MP who left. And TBH, MP does not appear to me as having the status of victim.
Hmm, you know what, I'm actually with you on that one. MP did a hell of a lot of work with DT but he certainly wasn't controlling the band. The way she worded it was almost saying "You people are being so ridiculous I'm not even going to dignify it with a full response".
Yep, it's exactly my point.
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Did anyone catch this?
<message edited by Portnoy on Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:36 PM>
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Did anyone catch this?
<message edited by Portnoy on Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:36 PM>
(https://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5666/smileyv.png)
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Did anyone catch this?
<message edited by Portnoy on Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:36 PM>
(https://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5666/smileyv.png)
Hmmm...
He may have actually cleaned it up a little.
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I just heard about this, on a Linkin Park forum oddly enough.
WHAT!?!?!??!?!?!?
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I just heard about this, on a Linkin Park forum oddly enough.
*schnip*
yeah...
*Comforts Super Dude*
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This is a pretty huge news in Rock/Metal society anyway.
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If one thing can be said about all this, at least it's evident that despite all the hate MP got while he was the face of DT, we as fans really do need him to be there.
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I just heard about this, on a Linkin Park forum oddly enough.
*schnip*
yeah...
*Comforts Super Dude*
Also, Happy Rosh HaShanah
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If one thing can be said about all this, at least it's evident that despite all the hate MP got while he was the face of DT, we as fans really do need him to be there.
Huh? What's evident? Every other post I read here is some in-depth analysis of how imperfect Mike's been about this whole situation, and how DT's likely going to be better off now.
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I'll give Portnoy's sister credit for sticking up for him, as that's what sisters are supposed to do, but this comment:
"And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about."
To quote Jesus from The Big Lebowski:
Laughable, man. Ha! :lol :lol
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I'll give Portnoy's sister credit for sticking up for him, as that's what sisters are supposed to do, but this comment:
"And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about."
To quote Jesus from The Big Lebowski:
Laughable, man. Ha! :lol :lol
I see it in another light, just read my post above.
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I think she was referencing to the other responsibilities besides the studio work. MP was actually in charge of editing DVDs, the bootlegs, Progressive Nation, most of the interviews to magazines, radio, and interweb, TV appearances (I can only think of That Metal Show lol), running his own forum as the official DT forum -casually answering fans questions and giving us exclusives-, recording stuff with his camera and feeding us [the fans] with incredible things (The SC SE DVD was really cool), keeping in touch with other bands for collaborations...
I mean, MP did do A LOT! One can understand where her sister was going to. Can the others DT members take care of MP responsibilities with equal success? that's really hard to say. It may have sounded extremely arrogant, like the 500% comment MP said in the [Eddie Trunk] interview, but somehow it is the truth. We, as fans, hope that the rest of DT can fill his shoes while he's absent.
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I think she was referencing to the other responsibilities besides the studio work. MP was actually in charge of editing DVDs, the bootlegs, Progressive Nation, most of the interviews to magazines, radio, and interweb, TV appearances (I can only think of That Metal Show lol), running his own forum as the official DT forum -casually answering fans questions and giving us exclusives-, recording stuff with his camera and feeding us [the fans] with incredible things (The SC SE DVD was really cool), keeping in touch with other bands for collaborations...
I mean, MP did do A LOT! One can understand where her sister was going to. Can the others DT members take care of MP responsibilities with equal success? that's really hard to say. It may have sounded extremely arrogant, like the 500% comment MP said in the [Eddie Trunk] interview, but somehow it is the truth. We, as fans, hope that the rest of DT can fill his shoes while he's absent.
TBH, up to the point he's handled things, I don't think the other members will do as much. Frankly, we've been like spoilt children with all the stuff MP gave us. BUT nothing obliged him to do so in the first place. The "never enough" problem can be applied to him also there.
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I think she was referencing to the other responsibilities besides the studio work. MP was actually in charge of editing DVDs, the bootlegs, Progressive Nation, most of the interviews to magazines, radio, and interweb, TV appearances (I can only think of That Metal Show lol), running his own forum as the official DT forum -casually answering fans questions and giving us exclusives-, recording stuff with his camera and feeding us [the fans] with incredible things (The SC SE DVD was really cool), keeping in touch with other bands for collaborations...
I mean, MP did do A LOT! One can understand where her sister was going to. Can the others DT members take care of MP responsibilities with equal success? that's really hard to say. It may have sounded extremely arrogant, like the 500% comment MP said in the [Eddie Trunk] interview, but somehow it is the truth. We, as fans, hope that the rest of DT can fill his shoes while he's absent.
I think it would be great if we break it up.
Editing DVDs. - They can get a professional DVD Editor that can make a better job than MP, in terms of DVD editing.
Bootlegs. - Yes, this may be one of the sectors that might get hurt the most, but JP already stated that Ytse Jam bootlegs were going to remain unaffected, so that's a good thing!
Progressive Nation. - A small package tour. There have been 2 of these already, and I think it's time for DT to tour on their own once again, or with an opening band to say at least. This isn't much of a problem, getting smaller bands willing to tour with Dream Theater isn't very hard.
Interviews. - The JR, JP and JLB interviews are very pleasant to read and, more interesting than MP's IMO. They can handle this, it just requires effort from their side to even things a bit.
Forum. - Yes, this is another problem. Lots of people use the MP forum as a reference for most DT-related information. They might re-launch the dt.net forum or give more attention to the JP forum, considering he's posting more as of now. One of the things that made the MP forum so popular was that MP himself posted and interacted with the fans. JP did that as well a couple of days ago, and it was a huge success.
Video/Audio exclusives, etc. - Nothing that can't be handled by JP, JR, JLB and JM. It just requires interest and effort by their side. They are pretty much aware of how spoiled we DT fans are, so it wouldn't be very effective to scale down all of these things. If they keep it up, or even bring it up a little notch, DT fans won't lose interest in the band and good things will be bound to happen.
I can go on, but I think you get my point :D
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I love how different the comments on his sister's post are here than on MP's forum. :laugh:
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I love how different the comments on his sister's post are here than on MP's forum. :laugh:
There are a lot of fanboys there....Wait, I subscribed to the forum a few years ago as well.... :P
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If one thing can be said about all this, at least it's evident that despite all the hate MP got while he was the face of DT, we as fans really do need him to be there.
Not understanding what you're saying.
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If one thing can be said about all this, at least it's evident that despite all the hate MP got while he was the face of DT, we as fans really do need him to be there.
Not understanding what you're saying.
He's saying that it's evident that even though we all criticized portnoy while he was in the band, now that he is out of the band, we all agree that the band shouldn't go on without him.
Which isn't true.
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I was afraid that might be what he meant.
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I am just sickened that I'm going through a transition in my life during this time in DT. I haven't been here to comment or even see what's going on until days after the fact. I am hooking up my computer at some point today. Soon I will be back in full force to fully contribute.
All I can say right now is that if MP wants to leave, that is his choice, and I'm very happy that this happened with no bad blood between the members of DT and him. I also hope that with MP not being there that we will see even more going on with the band. I can't wait to hear the new album and hear what DT has to offer. JP's comments are so encouraging to read and I'm happy. I'm also happy that MP feels that, although it is hard, he can choose what he wants to do in his life.
I just hope that LTE3 happens ;)
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I do too, Splent. That would be awesome. And frankly, if the DT split was really amicable like everyone has said, then LTE could happen again, if Levin is up for it.
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You know Mike. He does not do anything half-assed. He wants every drop of music that Dream Theater releases to be perfect and fulfilling for everyone. Right now, he is guaranteeing that he can't do that.
As much as I get where she's coming from, I think it's a little unrealistic to have the expectation of being 100% on and perfect with your job, whatever it may be. I know most of us here are M-F 8-5 working joes, but I'd guarantee there are days/weeks/months where we feel we don't feel 100% up to doing our jobs, but we still suit up and go in every morning. I know artists haev a little bit more flexibility, but what seems to be gnawing at me the most is that he won't still suit up for the good of the band; that it has to be him giving 110% or taking an extended/undetermined 'break.'
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^Interesting perspective. But do we suit up and go to work purely out of loyalty to our co-workers (or bandmates, in this scenario), or because we need to keep our jobs to support our families? I know you said that artists have more flexibility, and I think that explains it. Portnoy's not afraid of not being able to find work, which eliminates a major reason most people get up and go to work even when they'd rather not.
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You know Mike. He does not do anything half-assed. He wants every drop of music that Dream Theater releases to be perfect and fulfilling for everyone. Right now, he is guaranteeing that he can't do that.
As much as I get where she's coming from, I think it's a little unrealistic to have the expectation of being 100% on and perfect with your job, whatever it may be. I know most of us here are M-F 8-5 working joes, but I'd guarantee there are days/weeks/months where we feel we don't feel 100% up to doing our jobs, but we still suit up and go in every morning. I know artists haev a little bit more flexibility, but what seems to be gnawing at me the most is that he won't still suit up for the good of the band; that it has to be him giving 110% or taking an extended/undetermined 'break.'
Except what HE thought was good for the BAND (not just him or only him) was to take an extended hiatus/break. He said this MANY times during the Eddie Trunk interview, and from his voice, it sounded like he truly felt the best thing for the band was to take a break for a year or two. Unfortunately, for the rest of the band, they felt it was good for them to continue, and largely I agree. They're riding high on a great momentum that SC and BC&SL have given them through signing with RoadRunner, and to wait a couple years and lose that momentum would be a bit foolish, IMO. I think Mike leaving, in the end, was for the good of the BAND. Maybe not so much for him or the fans, but for the band itself, I'm sure time will tell that this decision was the best thing at the time.
-Marc.
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^ Right, I agree. All I meant was that it is hard to me to relate/sympathize with him in this case, as I have to go to work every morning, and can't ask others for an extended break because I cannot give 100% like I am used to.
I do appreciate Mike giving 100% all these years. my CD/DVD shelf and wallet can attest to that. I just wish he would accept that giving less than 100% of himself for a time would still be ok for the greater good of the band.
edit: I agree with you Marc. Good post.
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I think the work ETHIC is only a part of his reason for leaving DT. Sure his mind and body needs a break from all the physical things, beyond playing the drums themselves, such as interviews, set lists, meet and greets, etc. etc., but I think he also felt the band needed a break because he himself was feeling they were in a cycle that was becoming stale. Whether or not he gave 100% or more probably would not have changed how his feelings on direction of the band was going. From his words, it seems to me that he felt they weren't as fresh as he'd like them to be.
That would be like going in to work and telling your co-workers and bosses and such that you felt THEIR work was becoming stale, and possibly suffering because of it. Would you want THEM to take a break so you could all come back refreshed? Or do you think they would still want to continue, after having some success in the last few years? As a regular, average Joe Plumber, I'm sure many of us would bite the bit and continue working, because it pays our bills, but Mike is SUCH a passionate person, and believes so strongly in his work that he was willing to leave the band over it. He felt that if he went in the studio in January, he'd be "going through the motions" for something that he wouldn't have his heart in. That seems to me he's lost faith in the band a bit, not just because he's grown weary and tired of the machine of writing/recording/touring.
So whether or not he took on less duties in the band probably would not have mattered - the heart of it was is the music, and what he felt was that he wouldn't feel right about "going through the motions" in the studio in January. He never said anything about lyrics (which he admits he probably wouldn't have written any for DT11 anyway), or set lists, or internet forums, or fans, or interviews, or any of those things... it was about the music. The work itself. You may go to work tired every day, but in the end, are you relatively happy with what your output was? Does it please you at all? If you say yes, then you can definitely go to work every day as you do, and be at peace of mind for a bit. If the answer was no, then you have a reason to quit. If you feel the work you do isn't good, or that you wouldn't feel it at all, or it's become almost an involuntary reaction and something you don't do with passion (because music should be passionate), then there's something wrong, and you need a change in setting, environment, and Mike has seen that playing with HAIL, Avenged Sevenfold and Transatlantic all in one year. Different settings and environments opened his eyes to different working relationships and when compared to the one he's known and built for 25 years, he probably felt a change was needed in his own home base of DT, thus the proposition to go on break for awhile.
-Marc.
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Him leaving gives both Mike a break, and the shakeup that DT needs, both of which he wanted
So I think it all went alright
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Him leaving gives both Mike a break, and the shakeup that DT needs, both of which he wanted
So I think it all went alright
Ironically, and consequently, yes his leaving the band did indeed result in what he felt the band needed (a change - "TIME...FOR...CHANGE...")... and a break for himself to recharge and recover.
-Marc.
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Him leaving gives both Mike a break, and the shakeup that DT needs, both of which he wanted
So I think it all went alright
Ironically, and consequently, yes his leaving the band did indeed result in what he felt the band needed (a change - "TIME...FOR...CHANGE...")... and a break for himself to recharge and recover.
-Marc.
Yes & yes.
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MP's sister speaking out deserves a giant cup of
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Everyone is entitled to their feelings and interperitations as obviously she is as well but did she think she'd suddenly silence everyone? Her annoying statememnt basically says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)
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I'm genuinely surprised you haven't been banned yet.
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Why?
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One thing that hasn't been discussed - at least I haven't seen it on this forum - is .... how much $$$$$$$$ is Portnoy making to play with Avenged Sevenfold and how much $$$$$$$$ have they offered him if he were to become an official member. I don't believe for one second that Portnoy and those guys haven't discussed the possibility of him actually joining the band.
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He would be essentially a sell out at that point. To leave a career of creative meaningful music to go play essentially pop metal would be a complete waste. If he really left DT just to go play with a band like that it would be for the glamour the fortune the fame :metal
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Well.... people can call it whatever they want. I'm not going to say that. I'm just saying.... in this discussion, it HAS to be mentioned. I know that DT seems to be growing in terms of popularity and hopefully financially..... but..... let's face it..... DT ain't Avenged Sevenfold (as far as business is concerned).
So, and I'm sorry to repeat this over two different threads, I just have to wonder if Sevefold said to him, "Come be a member for .... 10 gazillion dollars," which would make NO time for DT.... so, he says to the guys, "Hey, I need a break," so he could pursue making 10 gazillion dollars, but they don't want to wait..... and, here we are. Maybe the "10 gazillion dollars" wouldn't be the only reason, but I just wonder if it's a consideration on his part.
Thoughts?
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I think Mike's Facebook being "disabled" because of "all the activity" is bullshit. Basically, it's way harder to moderate things on Facebook than on a forum, where there are far less users and far less activity. And we all know Mike will has no problem with shutting down a community if he can't control its attitude.
But I could be wrong.
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Oh, we started the conspiracy theories already?
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So like the past 3 days have been nothing but a shit-storm of baseless speculation. And I say one thing and you call me out on it? Thanks, emindead. I see you still haven't forgiven me for quoting you on your assertion that 50 Cent was proof that "the market does a good job of promoting the best music" or something. :P
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PC brings up a good point. The Free Market is to blame for Portnoy leaving.
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Oh, we started the conspiracy theories already regarding his Facebook issue when the rest of us just think it's because of the recent events?
FTFY :D
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Why?
Because the user in question puts forth all of his opinions in the rudest possible manner (though I did enjoy that pic).
PC brings up a good point. The Free Market is to blame for Portnoy leaving.
:lol
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PC brings up a good point. The Free Market is to blame for Portnoy leaving.
Normally, it's the Jews... but MP is one, hmmm (https://www.fiveeightforums.com/images/smilies/scratchchin.gif) it is a conspiracy theory after all.
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@SnakeEyes: I don't find it hard to believe they haven't discussed the thought of Mike joining them permanently. Replacing their friend who passed unexpectedly is a big step, and this thing with Mike is only supposed to be temporary. Like others have said, I doubt a bunch of 20/early 30-somethings would ask him to join the band permanently. I really don't think he'll be a permanent member, and if they do make that offer to him, it will probably take a while.
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The guys from DT asked Jordan to enter the band.
So, my prediction is that MP joins the band, fits in pretty well, and then in 10 years shaves his head and stops dying his beard.
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@skydivingninja
Okay, maybe that's true. Even so, perhaps Portnoy is just assuming that they're going to ask him because, well, he's Mike Portnoy. And, if that's the case, even if you think you're going to be a member of Avenged Sevenfold, you might start seeing dollar signs. Not saying this IS the case, just that it COULD be.
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The guys from DT asked Jordan to enter the band.
So, my prediction is that MP joins the band, fits in pretty well, and then in 10 years shaves his head and stops dying his beard.
:rollin
@skydivingninja
Okay, maybe that's true. Even so, perhaps Portnoy is just assuming that they're going to ask him because, well, he's Mike Portnoy. And, if that's the case, even if you think you're going to be a member of Avenged Sevenfold, you might start seeing dollar signs. Not saying this IS the case, just that it COULD be.
I'm still baffled as to how anyone could think he's doing this for the money. That's the LAST thing MP would be doing this for.
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I think I have made it clear that I don't "think" he is.... I wonder whether he is. I mean, the guy is human. If Avenged Sevenfold did offer him 10 gazillion dollars, I wouldn't really blame him for doing it. I'm not criticizing him if he had done it. But, I think I made the point that it could be a possibility, so I'm going to drop it. I don't want it to turn into something that it's not.
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With a few more days to digest this I am still completely flabbergasted.
This band, Avenged Sevenfold, is so...uhm...bad...I can't believe he's doing this.
Seeing how "The Rev" died selfishly in some hotel room - like a useless pill junkie with a stomach full of Percs, Oxycontin, Valium and Xanax - I wouldn't be hanging around with them.
Spend an hour listening to this band, watching them on youtube and whatever else and then say to yourself that Mike Fucking Portnoy is playing drums with these guys. From a band dedicated to creation, musical exploration and the pushing of compositional boundaries to a band that can barely distinguish itself from Metallica, Limp Biscuit (or whatever way they spell it), Good Charlotte, and every other bubble-gum/going-through-the-motions "band" of addicts and losers that'll be forgotten in 5 years (with the exception of Metallica...they just keep making albums because they're gajillionaires and can...and their music is utter garbage...and has been since the day Cliff Burton died).
I pray he's being smart in regards to his mental, physical and spiritual health. I hope he hasn't gotten that taste, any addict knows what I'm talking about, and is making bad decisions. It has all the signs of it.
It's sad, truly.
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Maybe I'm just naive and too fanoboyish to comment: but I take everything Portnoy is saying to be true as truth. While he might have a small reason to lie (being that he'd lose fans), I believe him when he says it was because he wasn't happy with DT, that he isn't a permanent member of A7X and isn't planning to be, and didn't do it for any monetary reasons. But again, maybe that just me being naive.
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With a few more days to digest this I am still completely flabbergasted.
This band, Avenged Sevenfold, is so...uhm...bad...I can't believe he's doing this.
Seeing how "The Rev" died selfishly in some hotel room - like a useless pill junkie with a stomach full of Percs, Oxycontin, Valium and Xanax - I wouldn't be hanging around with them.
Spend an hour listening to this band, watching them on youtube and whatever else and then say to yourself that Mike Fucking Portnoy is playing drums with these guys. From a band dedicated to creation, musical exploration and the pushing of compositional boundaries to a band that can barely distinguish itself from Metallica, Limp Biscuit (or whatever way they spell it), Good Charlotte, and every other bubble-gum/going-through-the-motions "band" of addicts and losers that'll be forgotten in 5 years (with the exception of Metallica...they just keep making albums because they're gajillionaires and can...and their music is utter garbage...and has been since the day Cliff Burton died).
I pray he's being smart in regards to his mental, physical and spiritual health. I hope he hasn't gotten that taste, any addict knows what I'm talking about, and is making bad decisions. It has all the signs of it.
It's sad, truly.
Jesus dude, how about a little respect and tact?
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Speaking as a former, and recovering useless pill junkie, I can tell you that dying the way he did is a selfish, disgusting act that shows he cared about nothing but himself.
The members of DT struck me as respectful, tactful family-orientated people.
The people in this other band strike me as anything but.
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Portnoy seems to be enjoying that, though.
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I just watched this (https://www.youtube.com/v/f0r_FfUUoOI&autoplay=1).
And when I saw huge pillars of fire shooting in the air, the skeletons and big creepy goth gates, I almost cried.
Really, Mike? Really?
What's next after Avenged Sevenfold? A Spinal Tap cover band?
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guess you love avenged sevenfold.
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Mike is having a great time with A7X, playing music he otherwise wouldn't get to play, and doing things he otherwise wouldn't get to do.
Note how this has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's opinion of A7X.
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After days oftakjng this I'm.... I am still torn by this news. No matter what the band puts out from now on, I can't really consider it DT. Same goes for seeing them live. From this point on, it's a band which the majority of the members used to be in a band called Dream Theater. Being a DT fan for me was enjoying each member of the band as well as the music they made as a group.
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For the record, ...And Justice For All is a great album.
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Maybe I'm just naive and too fanoboyish to comment: but I take everything Portnoy is saying to be true as truth. While he might have a small reason to lie (being that he'd lose fans), I believe him when he says it was because he wasn't happy with DT, that he isn't a permanent member of A7X and isn't planning to be, and didn't do it for any monetary reasons. But again, maybe that just me being naive.
I agree with you. I don't think anyone is lying. But I will also say that there are surely a LOT of details we don't know. And I will also say that there are different perspectives. Again, I don't think anyone is lying about what happened, but the stories will likely be very different depending on who tells it because of different perspectives on the events that led up to all this.
I just watched this (https://www.youtube.com/v/f0r_FfUUoOI&autoplay=1).
And when I saw huge pillars of fire shooting in the air, the skeletons and big creepy goth gates, I almost cried.
Why?
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**double**
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For the record, ...And Justice For All is a great album.
Indeed. Who disagrees? Kill'em.
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For the record, ...And Justice For All is a great album.
Indeed. Who disagrees? Kill 'em all.
Fix'd
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Yeah, I thought it was too obvious so I left it open.
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Yeah, I thought it was too obvious so I left it ride the lightning.
FTFY.
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:lol fail
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WHAT DOES "FTFY" MEAN!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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WHAT DOES "FTFY" MEAN!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I wonder too.
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fuck that fuckin' yokel
Alright, I made that up.
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Fixed That For You
FTFY
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:getoffmylawn: ariich!!!
"We are closer than ever" or Maybe not that much
After this event didn't you notice this? Mike always said in the interviews that they were closer than ever, that their recordings were working like they always wanted... but now that he's gone, it maybe wasn't so? He was the spokesman and he always wanted to portray a good image of the band, right? But there's so much dust you can pull below the rug...
Do you think that the rest of the guys weren't that happy as we were told? Or that they indeed were that happy and closer than ever, that they decided to continue with or without MP?
Discuss.
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Norwood is a classy fellow who knows what he is talking about.
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Norwood is a classy fellow who knows what he is talking about.
:lol
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:getoffmylawn: ariich!!!
"We are closer than ever" or Maybe not that much
After this event didn't you notice this? Mike always said in the interviews that they were closer than ever, that their recordings were working like they always wanted... but now that he's gone, it maybe wasn't so? He was the spokesman and he always wanted to portray a good image of the band, right? But there's so much dust you can pull below the rug...
Do you think that the rest of the guys weren't that happy as we were told? Or that they indeed were that happy and closer than ever, that they decided to continue with or without MP?
Discuss.
I think for MP, closer than ever meant that everyone knew their roles and that there were no conflicts.
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Yes. And no conflicts is boring.
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And boring means "I'm leaving the band!"
AMIRITE?
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:talon
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if you could travel back in time to 1989, right after WDADU came out, and show MP all the DT albums, then told him you'll quit after the 10th album, do you think he'd think his future self was crazy for leaving such a cool band? (even after explaining why he would leave)
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I think MP would actually be more surprised about the fact that they would have managed to release ten albums.
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Regarding MP's sister's comments:
Enough already. Just enough with the drama. If people have "no idea" what they are talking about when we say let the other guys pick up the reins, then explain it already or zip it. If it is dirty laundry you'd rather not spill, then you shouldn't be hinting that there is a reason the other guys cannot pick up the slack in the first place.
The bottom line is - Mike wanted a break. Ok, fine, but Dream Theater isn't just Mike Portnoy. It is four other guys who have a say in what goes on. If Mike thought the other guys would roll over and do what he wanted just because "Mike Portnoy" wanted them to, then again I say, he's being really inconsiderate of the other people in his band. Dream Theater may be Mike's passion and love, but it is the livelihood of four other people in addition to Mike. You can't just tell them that you want them to give that up for a few years while you "find yourself."
God, ya know, as much good as Portnoy does for his fans, he sure can sound like an *insert appropriate negative adjective*, and his sister didn't help him any in that department.
God bless ya Mike, but geez man...
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I still thinking that he believes that DT is nothing without him. Hey, if you didn't want to continue, just make your own path alone or with A7X or whatever, but let the others enjoy DT and continue with the band. Do not link disconcerting blogs and do not make the fans feel biased. And then his sister flowering already: "buaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa....Ya don't know what you are saying! DT without my brotha¿?! you are doomed!"
Oh, cmon...to write a public post just to show how I love my brother and how you, the fans, now nothing...well, your brother and DT music is something more than letters in a paper, thanks to the fans too.
I always hate how the bands/musicians/artist forget from they come from. I know that was not MP's way, cause he was always who cared about fans, but all that about the blog, is disrespectful.
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This break up isnt good for DT and for mike.....means Everybody in the band rules the world and are important... imagine a four tyre vehicle moving with 3 tyres. The car will not be stable and and it will led to an accident. The same situation is with DT guys..... I request Mike to reunite with the band as soon as possible...Nobody can take place of Mike or any other member in DT!!!
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Let's just say that I don't agree with your post at all. And I think that your request won't find any recipients. MP doesn't want to be with DT and JP declared that the drumming position will be filled soon, as well as the spokesmanship.
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This break up isnt good for DT and for mike.....means Everybody in the band rules the world and are important... imagine a four tyre vehicle moving with 3 tyres. The car will not be stable and and it will led to an accident. The same situation is with DT guys..... I request Mike to reunite with the band as soon as possible...Nobody can take place of Mike or any other member in DT!!!
mmmm.....no. I suppose Mike will return, but NOW he is OUT. So, the band should find a replacement (who of course will never be the same, but maybe that means that is gonna be better for the future). For me the only one that can't be replaced in any way is JP or JL. JP cause it's the God of DT and JL cause it's the voice, and it's really a problem to replace the vocalist.
All this is a shit, we all know (for MP seems it's funny cause he is gonna have now more fffffuuuunnnnn than eveeeeeeeeeeeer). But you can't say DT is over cause MP is now out. That's sick.
I don't like when he said in his twitter that sentence talking about the tatoo and other things with A7X..."this ain't happen with DT! ". Man, what are you doing? Seems like a child with a new toy...
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I'm actually not too surprised about that Twitter post - for me, it's just part of MP's antics. I won't say that it was a set-up for his departure from DT, though.
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I'm actually not too surprised about that Twitter post - for me, it's just part of MP's antics. I won't say that it was a set-up for his departure from DT, though.
I understand. Maybe you are more used to that things. But as I'm new fan(since 2008). I really don't get the point of that kind of "humour". Anyway, Even if I was and old fan, I'm not sure if I'd understand it...
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After days oftakjng this I'm.... I am still torn by this news. No matter what the band puts out from now on, I can't really consider it DT. Same goes for seeing them live. From this point on, it's a band which the majority of the members used to be in a band called Dream Theater. Being a DT fan for me was enjoying each member of the band as well as the music they made as a group.
I don't get that at all.
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Maybe MP's sister is just talking about a mob system within the band where MP is the Don and all of the other guys are just cronies... this would account for the fact that there are only five fans of the band despite their "popularity". Anyone with me one this one? :police:
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I don't know if i'm the first to say it, but Portnoy is sounding like such an egotistical dousche at the minute.
He thinks he's the center of attention all the time. I'm glad he's decided to move on from DT as they will probably do better without him. If he loved 'his' band as much as he has previously said, then he'd still be with DT and playing with his 'family' regardless of it being somewhat of an inconvinience.
I have no doubt in my mind this 'break' is 100 percent down to playing with Avenged Sevenfold and other side projects. He should just man up and admit he isn't feeling DT anymore. I just think he is being selfish, and has made a stand for what he believes is right. When in actual fact, his 'brothers' in DT have their own lives and families to think about.
I bet when he made reference to leaving, he expected the band to bend to his wishes and accept whatever terms he proposed. It's nice to see that the band know they can move on without him. I have no doubt this is the right move for the future of DT - However short a timeframe that might be.
His sister sounds almost identical. Someone should tell her to shut her mouth. We might not know about the bands politics, but the band can, and will go on without the influence of Portnoy. And the thousand things he does, can, and will be picked up by someone else.
I'm more interested in DT's future now, more than ever. So all this doesn't bother me one bit.
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On Thursday, I opened up Google Reader and saw "DREAM THEATER PRESS RELEASE". That very moment, I knew something grim was on. After reading the text, I felt like so many of you, sick, heartbroken, and I needed alcohol. I got to this forum immediately to read news and it took me these five days to finally read through it. Many of you expressed exactly what I was thinking or feeling, so there was no need for me to post. I thank you for being those with whom I could share digesting these news.
Right now, I see everything very optimistically. The best outcome in my eyes is how Jordan Rudess and John Petrucci showed what badass great personalities they are. As much as I notice the lack of diplomacy in Mike's expressions, I don't hold his actions for selfish or condemnable. I think one can find good reason in his explanation and he really sounded sincere in the Eddie Trunk interview. That he speaks of self-sacrifice and links a blogpost that calls him the heart of DT... well, he's like that, this is the way he's always acted and without this side of him, we'd not be getting all the output from him all those years.
If John Petrucci keeps the current trend of communicating with the fans more, and if present DT in general reaches out to us to compensate for Mike's role, I'm a happy happy fan.
I'm just listening to Avenged Sevenfold and well... I'd not guess a Dream Theater member would ever be interested in playing with this band. But it's not as bad as I thought after reading the posts here. :-)
Best of luck to you, Dream Theater, my favorite band, in finding a good drummer! :metal
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ITNOG, that post was so full of speculative bullshit that I can't even be bothered to respond properly. You killed my brain.
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ITNOG, that post was so full of speculative bullshit that I can't even be bothered to respond properly. You killed my brain.
Don't worry, it's all just some conspiracy anyway.
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I don't know if i'm the first to say it, but Portnoy is sounding like such an egotistical dousche at the minute.
He thinks he's the center of attention all the time. I'm glad he's decided to move on from DT as they will probably do better without him. If he loved 'his' band as much as he has previously said, then he'd still be with DT and playing with his 'family' regardless of it being somewhat of an inconvinience.
I have no doubt in my mind this 'break' is 100 percent down to playing with Avenged Sevenfold and other side projects. He should just man up and admit he isn't feeling DT anymore. I just think he is being selfish, and has made a stand for what he believes is right. When in actual fact, his 'brothers' in DT have their own lives and families to think about.
I bet when he made reference to leaving, he expected the band to bend to his wishes and accept whatever terms he proposed. It's nice to see that the band know they can move on without him. I have no doubt this is the right move for the future of DT - However short a timeframe that might be.
His sister sounds almost identical. Someone should tell her to shut her mouth. We might not know about the bands politics, but the band can, and will go on without the influence of Portnoy. And the thousand things he does, can, and will be picked up by someone else.
I'm more interested in DT's future now, more than ever. So all this doesn't bother me one bit.
I've read like 300 opinions similar to this since this shit went down. Yours just happens to be the worst-worded, most pretentious, most hostile, and most disrespectful of the whole bunch! Congrats!
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What a dousche! :lol
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I found his sister's comments to be exactly what I was thinking.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=145992
this is a non issue....issue.
Everyone should just fucking relax.
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I begrudgingly respect that his sister did that but a) she said all that a little too late since all it seemed to do was feed the flames and b) she stated the obvious and added nothing in doing so. Portnoy had already said what she said so there kinda wasn't any point.
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Yeah, she didn't really add much to the information. And let's face it, she's clearly not going to corroborate any notion that would shed a negative light on Mike.
rumborak
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I don't know if i'm the first to say it, but Portnoy is sounding like such an egotistical dousche at the minute...
ITNOG, that post was so full of speculative bullshit that I can't even be bothered to respond properly. You killed my brain.
What ariich said. Given that this is such huge news that will naturally generate strong emotional responses, I have been pretty lenient about allowing people to voice their criticisms, no matter how speculative. But yours demonstrated no tact whatsoever and definitely crossed the line. And given that you've already received a final warning for similar things, your stay at DTF is now officially over.
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Today is a good day.
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Today is a good day.
No, I'm not going to unban SeRoX.
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:lol
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:(
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Today is a good day.
No, I'm not going to unban SeRoX.
NOW it's a good day. :neverusethis:
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SeRox was my hero haha
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ITNOG is banned? Oh good we can finally talk about Lost again.
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@MikePortnoy (a fan who has this name) - Can you please change your Twitter name, so I can actually use my name for my twitter account?
lol
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:lol
That's hilarious.
Makes me wonder though: What if this twitter account actually belongs to a Mike Portnoy? Then MP is screwed.
rumborak
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Then he would have no choice but to return to DT :neverusethis:
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:lol
That's hilarious.
Makes me wonder though: What if this twitter account actually belongs to a Mike Portnoy? Then MP is screwed.
rumborak
Indeed. This story has some amazing twists.
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Easy solution:
MikePortnoyA7X
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:lol
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MikePortnoyThe<3ofDT
:D
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:lol
That's hilarious.
Makes me wonder though: What if this twitter account actually belongs to a Mike Portnoy? Then MP is screwed.
rumborak
Indeed. This story has some amazing twists.
Didn't you mean "some amazing tweets"? :neverusethis:
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Dammit Darklol. :lol
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SeRox was my hero haha
And Serox called me his hero... Or something to that extend. So you do the math;)
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and Frank Zappa is YOUR hero.
.................that's fucking deep.
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Serox was the best them.
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and Frank Zappa is YOUR hero.
.................that's fucking deep.
Frank Zappa is everyone's hero, and fucking deep in everyone's sister
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:lol
Broken Hearts Are For Assholes
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@MikePortnoy (a fan who has this name) - Can you please change your Twitter name, so I can actually use my name for my twitter account?
lol
I noticed he removed that particular "tweet" I wonder why.
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Today is a good day.
Didn't even have to use my AK.
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I'm not sure anyone else has said this, but it's going to be bizarre hearing a DT album without Melody Master Snares and Max Staxx cymbals. Maybe the new drummer will make his own cymbal stacks, but the melody master has become such a signature of their sound.
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I'm not sure anyone else has said this, but it's going to be bizarre hearing a DT album without Melody Master Snares and Max Staxx cymbals. Maybe the new drummer will make his own cymbal stacks, but the melody master has become such a signature of their sound.
That's a good point.
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I've never even thought about the snare.. so whatever..but the stacks are used all over the place. The new drummer will have to find a way to compensate for those.
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I'm not sure anyone else has said this, but it's going to be bizarre hearing a DT album without Melody Master Snares and Max Staxx cymbals. Maybe the new drummer will make his own cymbal stacks, but the melody master has become such a signature of their sound.
To be honest, I probably wouldn't notice the difference
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Me neither...
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Yeah, I have no idea what that means. I've never been a huge fan of MP's snare sound, though.
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Just saying, the Max Stax are commercially available, and a lot of drummers use them now.
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also gonna be sad not seeing the monster drum kit
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I once did a meet & greet and am now so happy I managed to see them in the original formation. I was so nervous about giving JP Priest to sign that I didn't really talk to MP and I actually kinda overlooked him in a way that may have come off almost arrogant. I had a regret about this all the time and now it's come to haunt me again. :'-(
One of the positives that Mike's departure brought however: Dream Theater music sounds now so fresh again, I'm all drowning in listening to their songs.
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:getoffmylawn: ariich!!!
"We are closer than ever" or Maybe not that much
After this event didn't you notice this? Mike always said in the interviews that they were closer than ever, that their recordings were working like they always wanted... but now that he's gone, it maybe wasn't so? He was the spokesman and he always wanted to portray a good image of the band, right? But there's so much dust you can pull below the rug...
Do you think that the rest of the guys weren't that happy as we were told? Or that they indeed were that happy and closer than ever, that they decided to continue with or without MP?
Discuss.
I think the guys a few years ago had just decided that fighting Mike as the leader was not worth it and because he is an OCD workaholic why not let him take the reins, but since Score I beleive maybe they were not so happy with his heavy musical imput. it seems that as Mike's latest tastes goes as does the sound of the DT album (at least major portions of it) That is not to say they wanted him out in anyway, but now that opportunity presented itself the rest of the guys appear to have a renewed spark and I would bet the next album is much more collaborative.
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also gonna be sad not seeing the monster drum kit
opposite for me. I would love to see a drummer with less material around him, who instead focuses more on the rhythms themselves than on the drum sound.
I always have to think of Paul Geary, Extreme's first drummer, who had a bass drum, a snare, hihat and a crash. And he left nothing to be desired.
rumborak
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Yeah, especially if they use the guy from Threshold. he's got like 3 cumbals. But an incredible drummer.
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I jumped at MP's recent Facebook post that started with "I'M BAAAAAAAACK!"
But it turns out he was referring to his Facebook being up and running again. :facepalm:
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It's weird that there haven't been any more updates from the band yet.
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It's weird that there haven't been any more updates from the band yet.
I'm assuming they are trying to figure and sort their lives out before they say something that they might have to contradict again in the future.
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GUYS HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT THE NEW MP TWITTER STILL HAS HIS BIRD WITH THE MAJESTY SYMBOL IS HE COMING BACK BECAUSE OF THAT???????????
But seriously, I'm a little bit skeptical about the new sound stuff. Petrucci has been DT's main lyricist over the last albums so I think the lyric area of DT will stay a little bit of the same...
Unless they make a concept album called Raise the Knife Pt. II: Scenes from a Blue Beard :sadpanda:
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lol
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(https://imgur.com/jVy06.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/FJU7k.jpg)
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Meh.
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also gonna be sad not seeing the monster drum kit
opposite for me. I would love to see a drummer with less material around him, who instead focuses more on the rhythms themselves than on the drum sound.
I always have to think of Paul Geary, Extreme's first drummer, who had a bass drum, a snare, hihat and a crash. And he left nothing to be desired.
rumborak
Bleh, this kind of false dichotomy between focusing on playing well and having a big kit is ridiculous.
Whoever they get is gonna be a big kit drummer. The previous material simply requires it to be reproduced.
And, I mean, dude, Gavin Harrison is a big kit drummer. Would anyone say that holds him back from focusing on groove?
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As a drummer, I also agree with the whole "Big kits are less creative, and small kits are more tasteful" thing. They should be as big or small as the drummer needs. It's like saying 6 string guitarists are more creative than 8 string simply because of the number of strings.
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It's weird that there haven't been any more updates from the band yet.
I'm assuming they are trying to figure and sort their lives out before they say something that they might have to contradict again in the future.
This. Frankly, I think the next thing we're going to hear from the band is the announcement of the new drummer.
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It's weird that there haven't been any more updates from the band yet.
I'm assuming they are trying to figure and sort their lives out before they say something that they might have to contradict again in the future.
This. Frankly, I think the next thing we're going to hear from the band is the announcement of the new drummer.
This... and I don't expect any related announcement until at LEAST Christmas. These guys have projects to write/record/release/promote between now and going back into the studio in January, so they'll be busy. Choosing a drummer right now may only be in the "Suggestion Box" phase, but actual auditions may not happen until they're ready to go into the studio.
Why do auditions and leave them hanging for 4 months, whether or not they make a choice? Also, I think whoever they chose may influence the direction of the writing, so if they still want to write/record simultaneously as they have done for the majority of their last few albums, they'll probably wait, which is why I don't think they'll audition, let alone choose a drummer until December or January.
It would be silly to audition now and pick someone and be like "Hang tight, we'll see you in 4 months". They have no deadlines for the band right now, so they can relax on that subject. JLB has Static Impulse coming out, and IIRC he said he wanted to do some shows to promote it; JP is working on his second solo album; JMX is/was working on the third Jelly Jam; JR is toying around with instruments/improvising/writing an orchestra piece. They're busy, just not touring (like MP is), so I don't think they'll take the time to reconvene to pick anyone so soon.
Until then, we have plenty of DT-related goodness to listen to/wait for!
-Marc.
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As a drummer, I also agree with the whole "Big kits are less creative, and small kits are more tasteful" thing. They should be as big or small as the drummer needs. It's like saying 6 string guitarists are more creative than 8 string simply because of the number of strings.
Completely agree with you and Reap.
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Back to my question then. Under what circumstances do you need three bass drums?
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Back to my question then. Under what circumstances do you need three bass drums?
When you basically need two different kits on stage at the same time....
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Neil Peart's kit is fucking huge, and he manages to be extremely creative with it.
I don't care how big the drum kit is, as long as he makes good music with it
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Anyone think that there is some huge underlying factor to all of this that we as the fans have not been informed of?
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Anyone think that there is some huge underlying factor to all of this that we as the fans have not been informed of?
no
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As I have been living under a rock on Mars for the last few weeks, I've only heard this news today. I'm still in shock. Like so many others on here, I read the announcement in disbelief.
I'm trying to remain optimistic. I'm looking forward to the next DT album, as it will be interesting to see what direction their music goes in without Mike, but goddamn, it won't be the same band. Mike gave DT 200% more than any other band-member has given any other band. The set-lists, the Ytsejam boots, etc etc. I feel so sorry for whoever the next drummer is - he has some mighty big shoes to fill.
Also, knowing Mike, he won't be away too long. I can see him putting together his own band in a few years time.
I wonder how much of this is down to the poor ticket sales on the last tour. I said at the time that it was a mistake to tour the ProgNation tour first - too many people stayed away and waited for a full BC&SL tour that never came. I can fully see that the rest of DT would want to get back on the road with a new album/tour as quickly as possible.
Part of me wonders whether this is a temporary thing - DT are planing to do one album and tour without MP before reuniting with him after the break Mike clearly wants and needs.
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Anyone think that there is some huge underlying factor to all of this that we as the fans have not been informed of?
Yes, but I get that some fans want to think that their musical heroes would never not tell us everything, even though some things are obviously better left unsaid, at least for now.
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Anyone think that there is some huge underlying factor to all of this that we as the fans have not been informed of?
No, actually I don't think there's a huge underlying factor. Mike makes the impression of an open book to me. Of course he didn't say totally everything but I think that if there were something really huge, he'd not manage to not mention it.
I think the most major unsaid factor can be that Mike simply acts and talks a bit egocentric, which the band is discreetly silent of.
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Kev, that's hardly fair on the rest of us. If you guys want to believe in some kind of hidden agenda or conspiracy then go ahead, but don't rag on the rest of us just because we're being less cynical about it. Members leave bands all the time with no controversy, why should this be any different?
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exactly. I'm amazed how much people are starting rumors or their minds are thinkin up all kinds of crazy idea's when it was plainly said he wanted a break. Don't read to much into it because theirs nothing else.
What I do know is I can't wait to hear input from the other guys finally.
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Neil Peart's kit is fucking huge, and he manages to be extremely creative with it.
I don't care how big the drum kit is, as long as he makes good music with it
Obviously there is not a "everybody with a big kit sucks" relation as there are clearly quite a few great drummers with big kits. But, big kits invite themselves to boring fills and sound overkill ("now splash #2, now China #5!"). Overall I find that drummers with smaller kits have their priorities more often in order.
rumborak
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also gonna be sad not seeing the monster drum kit
opposite for me. I would love to see a drummer with less material around him, who instead focuses more on the rhythms themselves than on the drum sound.
I always have to think of Paul Geary, Extreme's first drummer, who had a bass drum, a snare, hihat and a crash. And he left nothing to be desired.
rumborak
That is basically what everyother lame drummer plays these days. In the words of Neil Peart "often less is not more less is just less"
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I don't believe Mike, or Neil (or many big kit drummers for that matter) have ever played a big kit to just be like "Hey, look at how big my kit is". Many of them have evolved their drum kit over the years, to help them express and play certain things with more sounds. MP's kit started with just 6 toms, a snare and two basses, but then it GREW. It's not like he started with the Siamese monster. Neil's classic Slingerland was just two floor toms, 3 rack toms, 2 basses and a snare during Fly By Night, but later added the concert toms to allow for more creatively expressive fills. Besides, as a drummer, I get chills when I heard the full 8-tom run fills that Neil did back in the day.
I think if you have a big kit, you gotta prove you can use everything, and effectively, to the point of each piece being meaningful, and not just being a show-piece. John Bonham only had 3 toms, a snare, and a bass drums but he made it SOUND huge, and I think he's one famous drummer who effectively used what he had. Sure he could've played with as many toms as Keith Moon did but that wasn't his style. It also all comes down to style. Progressive rock/metal are often known for drummer with big kits, and as such, some drummers LEARN that style, and grow up playing big kits (like myself). But there is no reason these drummers have to be labelled any way that a stereo-type of "big kit drummers" might be. If they can play well, I think kit size shouldn't matter. If they want to prove something, they'll play a smaller kit sometimes. Really, to me, the best drummers are the ones who can sit behind any size kit and just PLAY, and play well. Adaption from kit to kit really shows what a drummer can do outside of their comfort zone. I enjoy playing a 4-piece every now and then, it's challenging and allows me to focus of the dynamics and range of what's there, rather than relying on the multiple things to express certain dynamics and range (be they drums or cymbals).
For example, I loved that Neil recorded "Malignant Narcissism" on a small kit, and that in no way hindered his playing on that song. I think it's a close-minded mentality when people thing "small kits = no creativity". Sometimes it's just the opposite. But again the kit size may depend on the genre or style you're trying to employ, and as I said, bands like DT often have the sound of big kits.
And whoever they decide to get to replace MP will probably have a relatively big kit (i.e. bigger than a 5-piece). They also have to learn how to cover the band's older songs too, which have the signature big kit sound that MP had... but that really depends on who they get. I wouldn't mind hearing old DT songs on a 6 or 7 piece kit, like NDV or Gavin Harrison use. I will miss the octabans though.
-Marc.
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also gonna be sad not seeing the monster drum kit
opposite for me. I would love to see a drummer with less material around him, who instead focuses more on the rhythms themselves than on the drum sound.
I always have to think of Paul Geary, Extreme's first drummer, who had a bass drum, a snare, hihat and a crash. And he left nothing to be desired.
rumborak
Bleh, this kind of false dichotomy between focusing on playing well and having a big kit is ridiculous.
Whoever they get is gonna be a big kit drummer. The previous material simply requires it to be reproduced.
And, I mean, dude, Gavin Harrison is a big kit drummer. Would anyone say that holds him back from focusing on groove?
Great point, Gavin is amazing and a grooving mf'er. I always wish drummers like Brann Dailor would play a larger kit so we can really see some creativity.
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Kev, that's hardly fair on the rest of us. If you guys want to believe in some kind of hidden agenda or conspiracy then go ahead, but don't rag on the rest of us just because we're being less cynical about it.
Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but it is not like I think there is a hidden agenda or conspiracy; I just think there is a lot more going on than what we know right now, but some are taking everything that has been said at face value and acting like that is the end-all be-all of what has happened, as if there is nothing more to it. I am sorry, but I just don't buy that.
Portnoy saying his personal relationships weren't as good with the DT members is a major implication that something was wrong besides him just being tired of DT. Odds are, the truth will come out in time.
Members leave bands all the time with no controversy, why should this be any different?
Are you really asking that? Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater is a pretty big deal, relatively speaking, in regards to the band and its dynamic. That doesn't just happen without any controversy, like some random bass player leaving his band because he wanted to spend more time with his family. I know you know better than that.
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If Mike really was a total open book, wouldn't everyone have known about his thoughts about leaving/taking a break a year ago?
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If Mike really was a total open book, wouldn't everyone have known about his thoughts about leaving/taking a break a year ago?
Mike never wanted to leave and it was a known fact that DT (read MP) wanted to take a break.
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Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but it is not like I think there is a hidden agenda or conspiracy; I just think there is a lot more going on than what we know right now, but some are taking everything that has been said at face value and acting like that is the end-all be-all of what has happened, as if there is nothing more to it. I am sorry, but I just don't buy that.
I agree their might be more, but if they don't want to say anything then good for them, I don't care at all. Theirs reasons why they might not want to say anything. Just saying MP was leaving caused so much to happen and with the internet how it is today, one thing can cause a massive storm to brew and then all hell breaks loose.
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Neil Peart's kit is fucking huge, and he manages to be extremely creative with it.
I don't care how big the drum kit is, as long as he makes good music with it
Obviously there is not a "everybody with a big kit sucks" relation as there are clearly quite a few great drummers with big kits. But, big kits invite themselves to boring fills and sound overkill ("now splash #2, now China #5!"). Overall I find that drummers with smaller kits have their priorities more often in order.
rumborak
What you call sound overkill I call lack of boredom.
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I will sum my thoughts up very quickly.
You can do everything on a big kit that you can do on a small kit, and more.
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and more.
Not trying to be rude... but no you can't...
(That wasn't sounding rude, I'm just disagreeing)
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and more.
Not trying to be rude... but no you can't...
(That wasn't sounding rude, I'm just disagreeing)
I have no idea what this post is. It's neither funny nor logically correct.
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What do you mean? I wasn't trying to be funny at all.
How can you do more on a small kit?
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read his post again
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and more.
Not trying to be rude... but no you can't...
(That wasn't sounding rude, I'm just disagreeing)
I don't think you read his post the right way.
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Whoops. Sorry Nick, my bad. :azn:
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It's still surreal that he left. I found out last week and my jaw dropped.
Still, even more excited to see what DT can produce.
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Kev, that's hardly fair on the rest of us. If you guys want to believe in some kind of hidden agenda or conspiracy then go ahead, but don't rag on the rest of us just because we're being less cynical about it.
Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but it is not like I think there is a hidden agenda or conspiracy; I just think there is a lot more going on than what we know right now, but some are taking everything that has been said at face value and acting like that is the end-all be-all of what has happened, as if there is nothing more to it. I am sorry, but I just don't buy that.
Yup. I would think this is pretty obvious. It's painfully naive to think that you've been given the whole story, just as it's overly cynical to make it into a giant conspiracy.
-J
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Maybe MP will form a semi-permanent band with his buddies Paul Gilbert, Billy Sheehan, and Gary Cherone.
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Maybe MP will form a semi-permanent band with his buddies Paul Gilbert, Billy Sheehan, and Gary Cherone.
What I'm hoping he'll do is reunite Yellow Matter Custard for another show with an entirely different set. On the commentary for the One Night In New York DVD, he mentions they had a set of over 60 songs or so, and wittled it down to half that for the final set list and said they could've done a second show with an entirely different set list!
I'm hoping he revisits that idea and presents 25-30 more Beatles covers, entirely different from the ones he did back then.
Also, any band (cover or otherwise) he does with Paul Gilbert would be amazing. Perhaps he could cover a different band (one that isn't The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Rush, or The Who), or do the supposed 5th cover album he wanted to do with Dream Theater. Whatever he does, Paul could cover ANYTHING Mike would have his heart set on.
-Marc.
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He should drum in a Dream Theater tribute band :neverusethis:
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:yeahright
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I wonder what Ringo is doing these days?
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Dying?
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Dying?
I heard he was pretty upset about MP leaving DT, but I don't think it was that serious.
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I wonder what Ringo is doing these days?
I know he supports Megadeth, if that helps.
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Portnoy saying his personal relationships weren't as good with the DT members is a major implication that something was wrong besides him just being tired of DT. Odds are, the truth will come out in time.
Remember dirt comes out in the wash and eventually the shit talking will leak. The members will reach a level of frustration when Portnoy says the wrong thing publicly or does something disrespectful to the continuance of the band and the shits gunna hit the fan. Mark my words, it happens with every band and people love to talk about the drama. Sometimes way more than the music which is what most DT fans only care about. I am sure this will get uglier and then they will kiss an make up down the road...
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Please show some sensitivity....this is even harder for me than you guys!
Sorry gang, I hate to be a party pooper...but all of the threads about "who should be the new DT drummer" is REALLY difficult for me to see right now....
I know it's all just creative and free discussion for you guys as drummers, DT/MP fans or simply general music fans...and this site is all about "freedom of speech" (or at least to the extent that Weymolith sees respectful and tasteful), but it's just too hard for me to sit here and read everybody's choices of "replacements" for me...
Remember, I didn't *WANT* to leave the band or have them continue without me....
And it's still very hard for me to sit back and watch this kind of discussion...
Right or wrong, no guy going through a divorce wants to watch some new guy immediately move into the home he built with his blood, sweat and tears for 25 years and f*ck his wife....
I know many of you (or at least on other sites) will say, "well then, you shouldn't have left"...but I NEVER wanted this outcome.....and to think of DT withOUT me breaks my heart....
I'm not trying to tell you guys what you can and cannot talk about....I'm just asking for some sensitivity for a little while....this is even harder for me than you guys!
Thanks for all your support and understanding everyone,
MP
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Wtf? Ugh...
I'm sorry, not trying to blast on the guy but he needs to stop whining.
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Actually, most people would probably feel the same way, no matter how much bravado they might try to put up, but when he says things like...
"Right or wrong, no guy going through a divorce wants to watch some new guy immediately move into the home he built with his blood, sweat and tears for 25 years and f*ck his wife...."
...it just reinforces the belief that some have that he thinks he did it all. Yes, Mr. Portnoy, you built that home all by yourself. :facepalm:
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Was that in reference to posts on here or on MP forums?
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Was that in reference to posts on here or on MP forums?
MP forums I assume, since he mentions Wey.
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Yes, the MP forums.
I know it must be hard to leave something as big as DT and then watch how people are chirping about who's to replace you, but what else is to be expected? He's the one that walked away, DT is bigger than MP.
tl;dr = Deal with it.
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Jeez. The more MP talks, the harder I find it to observe "no bashing band members, either previous or current" rule. And yet for every disappointing comment he makes, there's an equally cool comment somewhere else. He LEFT Dream Theater, but he wants people to think he was kicked-out, at least in principle. If anyone that's part of this split is fostering an Us vs. Them attitude, that person is without a doubt MP.
Without bashing, I think I can now safely say that MP is my least favorite DT member that's ever recorded a studio album with the band. I still like him, and I *love* Transatlantic and the showman that he is on stage and his dedication to fans and all-around "attitude" when playing music... but his continual beating this into the ground is becoming pretty classless, don't ya think?
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Seriously. This is pretty ridiculous. Maybe MP should just take a break from the internet. I don't understand why he browses his DT forums if everything bugs him so much.
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Seriously. This is pretty ridiculous. Maybe MP should just take a break from the internet. I don't understand why he browses his DT forums if everything bugs him so much.
I concur. Let's take his analogy of a divorce, for example... Being on the internet is like being in the neighborhood you lived in with your wife/where your house was. Being on the MP forums is like being at the house your wife lives in after the divorce. And reading certain posts that distress you is like watching the "new guy" "f*ck [your] wife"... You don't have to watch it - you don't have to read it.
People have opinions, and when something as passionate as music comes along, they'll voice those opinions regarding it.
-Marc.
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Of all the things he could have a problem with people talking about, he shouldn't be so shocked and down on people discussing replacement drummers. It's kind of bewildering in a way. Maybe it's finally starting to become real to him, like the fans really are ready to see what a DT without him at the helm can do. I know this is definitely speculation but do you think he might've expected a chunk of fans to declare themselves done with DT when he left?
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Seriously. This is pretty ridiculous. Maybe MP should just take a break from the internet. I don't understand why he browses his DT forums if everything bugs him so much.
Exactly. If he browses his own forum (or other DT-related message boards), he should be aware of the consequences - ie seeing threads about DT's possible new drummer etc. He should either deal with it or not read it. Expecting the other members to "give it some time until discussions like this" is pretty disrespectful from his side, to be honest. Such a post shows - at least to me - that he is handling the situation very badly, especially compared to the other DT members.
I for one don't see any reason why our "DT's new drummer" thread should be closed.
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Seriously. This is pretty ridiculous. Maybe MP should just take a break from the internet. I don't understand why he browses his DT forums if everything bugs him so much.
Exactly. If he browses his own forum (or other DT-related message boards), he should be aware of the consequences - ie seeing threads about DT's possible new drummer etc. He should either deal with it or not read it. Expecting the other members to "give it some time until discussions like this" is pretty disrespectful from his side, to be honest. Such a post shows - at least to me - that he is handling the situation very badly, especially compared to the other DT members.
I for one don't see any reason why our "DT's new drummer" thread should be closed.
Agreed. It's not like JP and the rest would feel bad if there were discussions about "MP's New Band" :lol
I know it's not quite the same thing, but you get my meaning. I'm sure the other guys aren't as excited as they may seem - their friend, bandmate, "brother" for 25 years decided to leave so I am sure they are having quite a time dealing with this themselves, but are very open to discussion about things moving forward.
-Marc.
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Of all the things he could have a problem with people talking about, he shouldn't be so shocked and down on people discussing replacement drummers. It's kind of bewildering in a way. Maybe it's finally starting to become real to him, like the fans really are ready to see what a DT without him at the helm can do. I know this is definitely speculation but do you think he might've expected a chunk of fans to declare themselves done with DT when he left?
Yeah, I did. Hence why I started the poll asking if people were going to continue to listen to DT without Portnoy. I was pleased and not at all surprised by the overwhelming majority saying "Yes", but I think Portnoy was expecting both the fans and his former bandmates to have a harder time with it.
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MP is going a bit too far... At least I knew immediately that people would start speculating who's the new drummer. He shouldn't take it so seriously, people are just excited and can't wait to hear about his replacement. Maybe it was his band but if I left a famous band that I've been part of for a long time, I would be sure that people would be wondering about who will replace me.
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You know what? i'm tired of all this whining on the part of MP. He's just behaving like a kid. You left the band, deal with it! I've even decided I would stop posting on MP forum and yet i like the guys a lot there! I cannot support HIS community any longer now. i'm fed up with all this. (Hope this will not be taken as bashing, don't want to be abnned from DT forums).
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I think like 50 people have registered since "the news" came down. I'm expected a pretty big forum migration later on, too. With things going as they are (I mean, Jeez, DT haven't even replaced Mike yet and topics talking about DT's future are already disappearing), I think that the situation is going to inevitably sour between Mike, DT, and the fans, and it's only a matter of time before the bans start getting handed out over at MPforums. Understandably so, as well. It's fairly obvious that stuff Mike doesn't like and stuff that generates even the slightest bit of controversy doesn't fly there. At all. And since that's Mike's house, it's his right to have the place run that way.
I'm not trying to bash MP forums at all, I'm just speculating that DT & MP fans are probably going to have to tread ever-so-lightly with all things DT related from now on, especially later in the future when things start happening in DT world.
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I can see what you mean, PC, and I think the scenario you just depicted is pretty likely to happen. Judging from the history of the MP forum and how things are handled there, it won't be even that surprising imo.
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Since we're on the topic of MP forums, it looks like someone's planning to murder Mike.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2577173.aspx
:omg:
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:yeahright
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:....... >:( >:( >:( >:(
This is ridiculous...deal with it Mike, if it was a loooong and RATIONAL (according to some posters around here, not me) decision, then I'd suppose that you were preparing how to deal with these kind of reactions. But I just don't see it. Now we are seeing the first parts of his regret, as I said. In the future you will see the hate because the others wants to continue. Just wait and see, as I said. I just hope he forget the whole thing and start to bring us good music, the same with DT. And hey, you can always think about the whole stupid decision and return, now it's the time, then it's gonna be too late.
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It's a natural topic for DT fans to discuss. It LITERALLY has NOTHING to do with him. He needs to get over it a little.
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(https://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/812/original/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif?1275684729)
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just posting to say I won't be discussing this topic again at this forum, and I'm not a member or my account died several years ago at his site.
Im surprised this thread is 40+ pages long...really....
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just posting to say I won't be discussing this topic again at this forum, and I'm not a member or my account died several years ago at his site.
Im surprised this thread is 40+ pages long...really....
Please tell me you mean MP.com... It'd really be said if you meant you're done with DTF.
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I hope DT find a replacement and are just as successful if not more, just to piss MP off. Because it's quite clear he wants them to fail and come crawling back saying "you were right Mike, we'll take 10 years off is that's what you want."
How is he going to act when they actually get a replacement and start releasing new music???
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I don't get the whole censorship deal over at MP. Is he really that upset that people are imagining Dream Theater move on?
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Maybe MP should just take a break from the internet. I don't understand why he browses his DT forums if everything bugs him so much.
This this this!
First, the 12 Step Saga..
Next, the 5 Stages Of Grief Saga
Reading MP's post, it DOES sound like the band threw him out. But I really take him at his word that he needed a break.
Other than a few weeks in South America and 6 weeks with Maiden, DT has basically taken this entire year off. I can't help but think that MP could've used this time to repair some of these relationships. Like maybe go to JP's house and write a song' just the two of them... It would seem like a better use of this time than doing the A7X tour.
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hmm LTE III
good idea
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I don't get the whole censorship deal over at MP. Is he really that upset that people are imagining Dream Theater move on?
You're right. It doesn't make sense, because the internet fans are one of the biggest reason DT were able to get to the level of popularity they're at now. But you're talking about the guy who had the official DT forum shut-down because Train of Thought was being torn a new asshole.
If it wasn't for people wanting to carry on the site afterward, there wouldn't even be a place of DT fans to post freely.
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I know he's been through a lot lately (dad passing, keeping up the DT machine, side projects galore), but some of that is his own fault. Like, I am glad he did more music with TA, but I honestly think he should've stopped right there. Going on to do stuff with even more side projects is going to burn you out.
MP seems to be acting like this because he's been frustrated with too much stuff. It sounds like he needs to take a break from all music. The other DT members have been active away from DT, but nowhere near what MP has done. He could learn some wisdom about rest from those guys. That's why I don't really feel bad for MP at all.
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What i really think is that MP is "forcing" people to take sides with him above all. And given the number of people that buy into everything he says, I'm beginning to think it's working. Now, i think the guys in DT react very well precisely by not reacting. Yet, I sincerely hope it won't be kind of "the first one to speak is right", because if so, JP and the others are losing a lot of ground. BTW I'm really making a great effort not to bash MP.
B.Lee
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I'm praying to the Great Bear Beast for JP, the Great Arcane Wizard for JR, the Great Pirate Captain for JLB and the Great Ninja Sensei for JM that the guys handle these provocations and emotional stir.
Praying to the Spirit of Growing Up for MP that he regains his ways of a gentleman.
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We missed it by 14 seconds. >:(
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This may be nit-picky, but on his updated home-page...
Mike Portnoy is the current drummer with Avenged Sevenfold and the founder and ex-drummer of Dream Theater as well as various side-projects such as Liquid Tension Experiment, Transatlantic, O.S.I. and tribute bands such as Yellow Matter Custard, Hammer Of The Gods, Amazing Journey and Cygnus & The Sea Monsters.
Take that as you will. Also, he's updated all his graphics. Did that happen over 24 hours ago or did I just miss it? I didn't see anyone mention it in case no one here had been to his site in the last day or so.
-Marc.
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This may be nit-picky, but on his updated home-page...
Mike Portnoy is the current drummer with Avenged Sevenfold and the founder and ex-drummer of Dream Theater as well as various side-projects such as Liquid Tension Experiment, Transatlantic, O.S.I. and tribute bands such as Yellow Matter Custard, Hammer Of The Gods, Amazing Journey and Cygnus & The Sea Monsters.
Take that as you will. Also, he's updated all his graphics. Did that happen over 24 hours ago or did I just miss it? I didn't see anyone mention it in case no one here had been to his site in the last day or so.
-Marc.
It must have happened pretty recently. I was posting there not 24 hours ago (and had my post deleted :-) as I was posting about the contest for DT's new drummer (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16635)) and I'm 99% sure the old graphics were still there.
The definite article in "the founder of DT" is pretty loaded IMO. :tdwn
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MP: class act.
I'm glad he's shining light on his own personality.
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Mike can be as delusional and baiting to the other guys as he wants. The fact is, he is not THE founding of Dream Theater.
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Someone's got to say it. His new page design is 100 times better than the last one :lol
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Mike can be as delusional and baiting to the other guys as he wants. The fact is, he is not THE founding of Dream Theater.
Indeed. And if memory serves me correctly, he didn't even FIND the band...they found HIM! Wasn't it JP and JM who roamed the halls of practice rooms one night and found MP in there drumming away and said to each other "we gotta jam with this guy"?
-Marc.
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He's sad. It's his place. He expected the people at his place to understand him and think like him. Truth is, that's not how it works. MP is sad because DT wanted to go without him... "and I'll carry on... I'll never forget..."
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Mike can be as delusional and baiting to the other guys as he wants. The fact is, he is not THE founding of Dream Theater.
Indeed. And if memory serves me correctly, he didn't even FIND the band...they found HIM! Wasn't it JP and JM who roamed the halls of practice rooms one night and found MP in there drumming away and said to each other "we gotta jam with this guy"?
-Marc.
JP, JM, and MP founded DT. Those three guys, equally.
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Mike can be as delusional and baiting to the other guys as he wants. The fact is, he is not THE founding of Dream Theater.
Indeed. And if memory serves me correctly, he didn't even FIND the band...they found HIM! Wasn't it JP and JM who roamed the halls of practice rooms one night and found MP in there drumming away and said to each other "we gotta jam with this guy"?
-Marc.
JP, JM, and MP founded DT. Those three guys, equally.
I know, I was being facetious. :facepalm:
Anyway, perhaps MP should put a band together...him on drums (of course), Mike Rutherford on bass, Tony Banks on keyboards, Paul Gilbert on guitars, and Jon Anderson on vocals...they can call it The Band That Never Was.
-Marc.
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Seriously. This is pretty ridiculous. Maybe MP should just take a break from the internet. I don't understand why he browses his DT forums if everything bugs him so much.
Exactly. If he browses his own forum (or other DT-related message boards), he should be aware of the consequences - ie seeing threads about DT's possible new drummer etc. He should either deal with it or not read it. Expecting the other members to "give it some time until discussions like this" is pretty disrespectful from his side, to be honest. Such a post shows - at least to me - that he is handling the situation very badly, especially compared to the other DT members.
I for one don't see any reason why our "DT's new drummer" thread should be closed.
With all due respect, tr.ad (and most others who have posted in this thread since Mike's latest post), you're completely missing the point. However anyone might feel about Mike leaving, wheher good, bad, or indifferent, he is simply asking (and in a very respectful tone, IMO) that people on Mike's own personal forum not discuss his replacement for a while. Frankly, I'm shocked that a fair number of people don't get that it is disrespectful and hurtful to go into someone's house and talk about who is replacing them. People posting on MP.com really should have the common sense to say to themselves, "Yeah, it's probably not cool to talk about this here. Let's either not talk about it, or let's go talk about it somewhere other than Mike's forum" (such has here, for example).
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In all fairness, he kind of brought it upon himself. The way he shut down the official DT forums and referred to the Dream Theater "fan" sites always suggested that he just kinda expected DT fans to post at his site, regardless of whether people were especially fond of him or just DT. Now that he's gone, he's got a bunch of people over there who care much more about Dream Theater than they do about "just Mike."
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The way he shut down the official DT forums...
Yeah, but don't blame that on Mike. He made the decision, but he did so based on the mishandling of the forum by it's then-current admin and misinformation from a few people. I'll just leave it at that.
But again, whether he "brought it upon himself" or not is irrelevant to what he wants or doesn't want to happen on his own site, and it boggles the mind that kids nowadays aren't taught enough common courtesy to recognize that fact.
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Now that he's gone, he's got a bunch of people over there who care much more about Dream Theater than they do about "just Mike."
Bam. This.
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I can understand how all this replacement drummer talk sucks for Mike.
First, the band he has led for 25 years tells him they are fine continuing without him. They want him, but they don't need him.
Then, after like, two days, Dream Theater fans on the internet are suddenly over the fact he has left, with many claiming they are actually excited about the prospect of a new perspective in the band.
And to put the cherry on the cake, members of his own forum seem to be over it as well.
I don't know. Even if disallowing talk of a new drummer seems kind of ridiculous, I can't really blame him for it.
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But again, whether he "brought it upon himself" or not is irrelevant to what he wants or doesn't want to happen on his own site, and it boggles the mind that kids nowadays aren't taught enough common courtesy to recognize that fact.
I understand him not wanting it on his own site. In fact, I was pretty shocked when I saw people discussion MP's replacement on the VERY FIRST DAY he decided to announce his departure. But, then I remembered that for most people, the MP forum WAS the Dream Theater forum. Most DT news came from MP.com way before it made it to the band's official site-- if it ever made it to the official site.
But really, what bothers me isn't that Mike's stated he doesn't want those discussions going on. What bothers me is the implication-- once again-- that Mike somehow left against his will. Maybe the guys DID tell him that they were making an album in January, with or without his help. But, the fact is, we can only assume that Mike's the one who made the call in the end. If he wanted to stay badly enough, he would have. Maybe it DOES hurt him to have to leave Dream Theater, but I wish he'd stop pretending it was somehow never what he wanted to happen, that the band "forced" him. Because he's implied all of that in his various posts.
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Now that he's gone, he's got a bunch of people over there who care much more about Dream Theater than they do about "just Mike."
Bam. This.
Woah. I suddenly feel all cool-like!
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The way he shut down the official DT forums...
Yeah, but don't blame that on Mike. He made the decision, but he did so based on the mishandling of the forum by it's then-current admin and misinformation from a few people. I'll just leave it at that.
But again, whether he "brought it upon himself" or not is irrelevant to what he wants or doesn't want to happen on his own site, and it boggles the mind that kids nowadays aren't taught enough common courtesy to recognize that fact.
I suppose so, but it still concerns me that Mike Portnoy can't seem to get over the repercussions of his decision. He had to think, that surely, that Dream Theater fans would still look forward to more Dream Theater material, and that includes whoever the new drummer is.
Sure, you could talk about the replacement drummer on a different site instead of MP's forum. But to me, that's akin to talking behind someone's back. And personally, I'd rather you tell whatever it is you want to say to my face, instead of just talking behind my back so that my feeling won't be hurt. Even if its in my own house.
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And it's still very hard for me to sit back and watch this kind of discussion...
Right or wrong, no guy going through a divorce wants to watch some new guy immediately move into the home he built with his blood, sweat and tears for 25 years and f*ck his wife....
To extend the analogy, when you get a divorce from your wife, you need to stop hanging out with her friends.
rumborak
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The way he shut down the official DT forums...
Yeah, but don't blame that on Mike. He made the decision, but he did so based on the mishandling of the forum by it's then-current admin and misinformation from a few people. I'll just leave it at that.
But again, whether he "brought it upon himself" or not is irrelevant to what he wants or doesn't want to happen on his own site, and it boggles the mind that kids nowadays aren't taught enough common courtesy to recognize that fact.
I suppose so, but it still concerns me that Mike Portnoy can't seem to get over the repercussions of his decision. He had to think, that surely, that Dream Theater fans would still look forward to more Dream Theater material, and that includes whoever the new drummer is.
Sure, you could talk about the replacement drummer on a different site instead of MP's forum. But to me, that's akin to talking behind someone's back. And personally, I'd rather you tell whatever it is you want to say to my face, instead of just talking behind my back so that my feeling won't be hurt. Even if its in my own house.
...really?
Genuinely, is this where the internet "is?"
Just to reiterate... You're saying that you'd be more offended by your friends waiting till they left your house before talking about your recently-divorced ex-wife; than if they came round your house and started shouting about how they "reckon she'd be fucking FANTASTIC with Gilbert from down the road." "Oh no, I think that Oliver from the sweet shop would be way better. Not only are their personalities about the same, but he'd be just the right shape and size for her minge what she's got all between her legs, dirty cow."
I'm gonna guess you're not a divorcee?
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The way he shut down the official DT forums...
Yeah, but don't blame that on Mike. He made the decision, but he did so based on the mishandling of the forum by it's then-current admin and misinformation from a few people. I'll just leave it at that.
But again, whether he "brought it upon himself" or not is irrelevant to what he wants or doesn't want to happen on his own site, and it boggles the mind that kids nowadays aren't taught enough common courtesy to recognize that fact.
I suppose so, but it still concerns me that Mike Portnoy can't seem to get over the repercussions of his decision. He had to think, that surely, that Dream Theater fans would still look forward to more Dream Theater material, and that includes whoever the new drummer is.
Sure, you could talk about the replacement drummer on a different site instead of MP's forum. But to me, that's akin to talking behind someone's back. And personally, I'd rather you tell whatever it is you want to say to my face, instead of just talking behind my back so that my feeling won't be hurt. Even if its in my own house.
...really?
Genuinely, is this where the internet "is?"
Just to reiterate... You're saying that you'd be more offended by your friends waiting till they left your house before talking about your recently-divorced ex-wife; than if they came round your house and started shouting about how they "reckon she'd be fucking FANTASTIC with Gilbert from down the road." "Oh no, I think that Oliver from the sweet shop would be way better. Not only are their personalities about the same, but he'd be just the right shape and size for her minge what she's got all between her legs, dirty cow."
I'm gonna guess you're not a divorcee?
I'd appreciate honesty more than anything. I strongly dislike people talking about things like that behind my back, but then won't say a word to me because they think I'll be hurt.
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What just boggles my mind is that MP didn't foresee this happening. Did he really think that the amorphous blob the DT community is will unanimously declare that they will abstain from discussing the most important question pertaining Dream Theater right now?
mikeportnoy.com wasn't just a Mike Portnoy forum; it was more so a Dream Theater forum, the unofficially official one.
The solution is so mind-boggingly simple for MP:
1. Create a DT subforum on mp.com
2. Stay out of it.
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I'd appreciate honesty more than anything. I strongly dislike people talking about things like that behind my back, but then won't say a word to me because they think I'll be hurt.
Honesty and being tactful and respectful of one's feelings are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
What just boggles my mind is that MP didn't foresee this happening.
I'm gonna take a wild guess here and speculate that his mind was probably focused on other things.
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That may be so when he's away from the computer. But seriously, how could he be surprised at the discussions going on on his own forum? Again, to use his analogy, he's walking into a room full of his ex-wife's friends and is surprised and appalled that they're discussing the ex-wife's future.
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Food for thought: Now that MP is no longer part of DT, is it possible that one of the guys (JP?) would make THIS forum the official DT forum?
Just throwing that out there. Likely or not...
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mikeportnoy.com wasn't just a Mike Portnoy forum; it was more so a Dream Theater forum, the unofficially official one.
The solution is so mind-boggingly simple for MP:
1. Create a DT subforum on mp.com
2. Stay out of it.
rumborak
In many ways, this would be a very good solution for everyone. But I somehow don't see it happening.
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Sorry for the double post.
Food for thought: Now that MP is no longer part of DT, is it possible that one of the guys (JP?) would make THIS forum the official DT forum?
I don't really think that this is a question that is likely to be brought on DT's table, to be honest. Also, what difference would it make? I'm perfectly fine with this forum being an unofficial DT forum as it is.
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Well, I'm sure it entered his mind. But that doesn't necessarily mean he really thought through the specifics of what people would be saying and specifically how it would effect him. I dunno.
As for your proposed solution, I'm not so sure that's a good idea either. When I read it a few minutes ago, I thought "that's probably a good idea." But then I thought some more about it, and it might actually feel like it has even more of a polarizing effect by limiting all DT-discussion on the forum to one area. I don't think it's the "easy," painless solution you envisioned.
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Guys, the whole "fucking someone's ex wife" analogy needs to stop, imo. It was really just one of those off-the-wall and poorly worded things Mike says sometimes, and there's really not much validity to it. But, "getting right down to the heart of it," Mike wanting us to think that DT replacing him is "DT fucking some other guy" is exactly what's wrong with his attitude about the whole thing, and exactly what's causing the Us vs. Them attitude.
This *isn't* a divorce. It's a split. In a rock band. And that's it. Mike was unhappy, so he left. The fact that he wants to make the fans think that he "never WANTED to quit" is just a PR stunt; MP is trying to drum up some sympathy from the dramatic spectacle he's created which has, by and large, sided with the rest of the guys in DT, much to his dismay.
I really wish Mike would just shoot straight on this one. Mike left because he wanted to. Not because the other guys in DT made him-- because he wanted to. That's it. There's no divorce, no-one fucking anyone's wife, no drama to be stirred up, no need to feel sympathy for anyone involved, except for DT, who now have to go through the hassle of auditioning new members. Mike wanted to leave, and so he did. The end. It'd be better if Mike would just say that.
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As for your proposed solution, I'm not so sure that's a good idea either. When I read it a few minutes ago, I thought "that's probably a good idea." But then I thought some more about it, and it might actually feel like it has even more of a polarizing effect by limiting all DT-discussion on the forum to one area. I don't think it's the "easy," painless solution you envisioned.
Well, the other "option" out there is brutal censorship of speech on his forum. With the likely result of many bannings and a good exodus resulting from it.
rumborak
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As for your proposed solution, I'm not so sure that's a good idea either. When I read it a few minutes ago, I thought "that's probably a good idea." But then I thought some more about it, and it might actually feel like it has even more of a polarizing effect by limiting all DT-discussion on the forum to one area. I don't think it's the "easy," painless solution you envisioned.
Well, the other "option" out there is brutal censorship of speech on his forum. With the likely result of many bannings and a good exodus resulting from it.
rumborak
The way I see it is that you've proposed two extremes, so to speak. While I doubt that any of those two are definitely going to happen, a scenario of something in-between shouldn't be ruled out. Time will tell, of course.
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I really wish Mike would just shoot straight on this one. Mike left because he wanted to. Not because the other guys in DT made him-- because he wanted to.
That comment bugged me a bit too I must say. "DT made me go" is just not true. He was pushing for something that would have put the career of 4 guys on hold. Then putting the blame on those 4 guys for not wanting that is a bit disingenuous.
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As for your proposed solution, I'm not so sure that's a good idea either. When I read it a few minutes ago, I thought "that's probably a good idea." But then I thought some more about it, and it might actually feel like it has even more of a polarizing effect by limiting all DT-discussion on the forum to one area. I don't think it's the "easy," painless solution you envisioned.
Well, the other "option" out there is brutal censorship of speech on his forum. With the likely result of many bannings and a good exodus resulting from it.
rumborak
The way I see it is that you've proposed two extremes, so to speak. While I doubt that any of those two are definitely going to happen, a scenario of something in-between shouldn't be ruled out. Time will tell, of course.
Well, mp.com has always been pretty draconian in its measures, whatever they may be.
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Guys, the whole "fucking someone's ex wife" analogy needs to stop, imo. It was really just one of those off-the-wall and poorly worded things Mike says sometimes, and there's really not much validity to it. But, "getting right down to the heart of it," Mike wanting us to think that DT replacing him is "DT fucking some other guy" is exactly what's wrong with his attitude about the whole thing, and exactly what's causing the Us vs. Them attitude.
This *isn't* a divorce. It's a split. In a rock band. And that's it. Mike was unhappy, so he left. The fact that he wants to make the fans think that he "never WANTED to quit" is just a PR stunt; MP is trying to drum up some sympathy from the dramatic spectacle he's created which has, by and large, sided with the rest of the guys in DT, much to his dismay.
I really wish Mike would just shoot straight on this one. Mike left because he wanted to. Not because the other guys in DT made him-- because he wanted to. That's it. There's no divorce, no-one fucking anyone's wife, no drama to be stirred up, no need to feel sympathy for anyone involved, except for DT, who now have to go through the hassle of auditioning new members. Mike wanted to leave, and so he did. The end. It'd be better if Mike would just say that.
*golf clap*
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Recently have known about it.
It was like a sharpened knife against glass.
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As for your proposed solution, I'm not so sure that's a good idea either. When I read it a few minutes ago, I thought "that's probably a good idea." But then I thought some more about it, and it might actually feel like it has even more of a polarizing effect by limiting all DT-discussion on the forum to one area. I don't think it's the "easy," painless solution you envisioned.
Well, the other "option" out there is brutal censorship of speech on his forum. With the likely result of many bannings and a good exodus resulting from it.
rumborak
The way I see it is that you've proposed two extremes, so to speak. While I doubt that any of those two are definitely going to happen, a scenario of something in-between shouldn't be ruled out. Time will tell, of course.
Well, mp.com has always been pretty draconian in its measures, whatever they may be.
rumborak
Trying to be diplomatic here, but I've often been surprised by what's been deleted.
It's a nice place - and I'm very glad of that - but it's not for me. Too much. Zero tolerance. Quite often I'll have one tiny thing out of place in a post, and the whole thing disappears. I used a harsh curse, once (the C-word!), which got asterisked, and apparently that activated a notification, and I got an email as my entire post was deleted. In case anyone was offended by four asterisks. I thought that was a bit much, myself.
In fairness, though, it works! I like that it works. People don't tend disobey the rules, 'cause if they do they'll naturally get caught, as rightly they should, and it means that discussions tend to be fairly pleasant! I'm quite blown over by how much work Weymo puts into it. Got a lot of respect for the man. But it's not the kind of environment that I tend to spend too much time in.
I just can't deal with that level of scrutiny. That's just me. Plus, when I post I tend to spend a lot of time making it, so I don't like to run the risk of being wiped. Cool place, but not for me. I like to be able to link to cracked.com, occasionally, or to have a balanced argument about Dream Theater. If someone says something a bit harsh about the band, I'd prefer to challenge them and for a debate to sprawl out of it, than to have the entire thread's worth of (often valid!) discussion deleted. It's a bit heavy-fisted, for me.
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I think every single post you make ranks from great to excellent. :tup
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I think every one of your posts ranks from great to excellent. :tup
This one doesn't:
ETETJWEIGOEWGKEWL<GEWGOEWON
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Guys, the whole "fucking someone's ex wife" analogy needs to stop, imo. It was really just one of those off-the-wall and poorly worded things Mike says sometimes, and there's really not much validity to it. But, "getting right down to the heart of it," Mike wanting us to think that DT replacing him is "DT fucking some other guy" is exactly what's wrong with his attitude about the whole thing, and exactly what's causing the Us vs. Them attitude.
This *isn't* a divorce. It's a split. In a rock band. And that's it. Mike was unhappy, so he left. The fact that he wants to make the fans think that he "never WANTED to quit" is just a PR stunt; MP is trying to drum up some sympathy from the dramatic spectacle he's created which has, by and large, sided with the rest of the guys in DT, much to his dismay.
I really wish Mike would just shoot straight on this one. Mike left because he wanted to. Not because the other guys in DT made him-- because he wanted to. That's it. There's no divorce, no-one fucking anyone's wife, no drama to be stirred up, no need to feel sympathy for anyone involved, except for DT, who now have to go through the hassle of auditioning new members. Mike wanted to leave, and so he did. The end. It'd be better if Mike would just say that.
I want to disagree with this and argue about it, but I can't.
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I think every one of your posts ranks from great to excellent. :tup
This one doesn't:
ETETJWEIGOEWGKEWL<GEWGOEWON
POTY :clap:
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ETETJWEIGOEWGKEWL<GEWGOEWON
This thread has now, by virtue of a single post, become archive-worthy.
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rob, agreed on your post. Same for me, it's too "happy". "Happy" as in Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" video kind of way.
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I just can't wait to watch the number of people who will decide to go out in a "blaze of glory" in the coming weeks. I mean, there's already at least one member potentially trying to bait Mike into his house to give him the Tuscany treatment.
:corn
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I think every one of your posts ranks from great to excellent. :tup
This one doesn't:
ETETJWEIGOEWGKEWL<GEWGOEWON
I think that's a valid point. I also prefer Gewgoewon to that other stuff. It might be the color..
So yeah my point still stands! :tup
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About JP making DTF the official DT forum... Actually the same idea crossed my mind. I don't see it happening but I for one would feel a lot of satisfaction if it happened. I was a member of DT.net and in accordance with MP.com being Mike's house, I felt like I was on Dream Theater's ground, being with them in a sense. This was taken from us in a manner that I felt unjust and hurtful. Now the community that was blamed of being bashful persevered on its own and is respectful and supportive of the band even without the control from above. Not talking about carrying the weight of running the site independently.
I know that if we were made into an official forum, it would attract the bashful sort who migrated to 5/8 and other places as well as those who need the strong control of Wey over at MP.com. But some sort of endorsement and recognition from the band would really remedy a scar on this community of their loyal fans.
... IMHO
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I don't think there is a scar. I actually think it's a bit stronger for being impartial.
I think, being unofficial, the site's free from the burden of being too deferent. We're friends of the band, and rightly there are bashing rules in place to maintain a degree of good taste if nothing else, but official or unofficial, this is the biggest and most active dedicated DT community on the internet. It's the go-to place for DT fans. And we can debate who the next drummer should be to our heart's content.
Charlie Dominici posts here, sporadically. David Prater did. It's got history. It's definitely the best place to go. But it's the fans' place, and not specifically Dream Theater's, and I think that's quite nice in a way. A mention on the website would be nice, but all in all, I'd call the place relatively scar-free.
Now, who feels like starting some rumours?
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I really really think that having the tag "official" removed from us was one of the best things that happened to this forum.
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I don't think there is a scar. I actually think it's a bit stronger for being impartial.
I think, being unofficial, the site's free from the burden of being too deferent. We're friends of the band, and rightly there are bashing rules in place to maintain a degree of good taste if nothing else, but official or unofficial, this is the biggest and most active dedicated DT community on the internet. It's the go-to place for DT fans. And we can debate who the next drummer should be to our heart's content.
Charlie Dominici posts here, sporadically. David Prater did. It's got history. It's definitely the best place to go. But it's the fans' place, and not specifically Dream Theater's, and I think that's quite nice in a way. A mention on the website would be nice, but all in all, I'd call the place relatively scar-free.
Now, who feels like starting some rumours?
Exactly, I love DTF as it is. Official or not.
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I really really think that having the tag "official" removed from us was one of the best things that happened to this forum.
rumborak
It's probably a bit off topic for this thread, but since you've never really weighed in that I can remember, I'd love whatever inside perspective you could give on the shutdown. I think I've got a good enough handle on most of the facts, but there are always additional things from different perspectives that shed light.
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I really really think that having the tag "official" removed from us was one of the best things that happened to this forum.
rumborak
It's probably a bit off topic for this thread, but since you've never really weighed in that I can remember, I'd love whatever inside perspective you could give on the shutdown. I think I've got a good enough handle on most of the facts, but there are always additional things from different perspectives that shed light.
Hmm, to be honest, when it happened to us, I felt like an "outsider" myself really. There was an internal hierarchy of mods (regular mods vs. supermods) and Borlag had no intention to relay the conferrings he had with Wey, Itchy and DT management.
Meaning, when this came about us regular mods were pretty much caught off-guard too, and all we got told was essentially the official line, that the forum reflected badly on the band. We knew that Borlag had very different ideas on how to run the forum, and given that none of us "regular" mods agreed with it (we thought it would just be an mp.com Mark II), Borlag didn't feel it necessary to involve us in any of this. Then one day Itchy just pulled the plug on the forum.
Interestingly, the mods were still able to seen and post on the forum for 2 weeks or so after it was shut down. OdinsCourt and I had a blast posting in that ghost town. :lol
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That's right. I had forgotten about that division.
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Come to think of it another split happened later when certain admins conspired against the will of the moderating staff...
Bosk1... what are you planning?!?
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It was weird. Itchy had left the scene a long time before already, so we were used (and pretty content tbh) to not have any direct dealings with him. Borlag however, developed "issues" over time, and was getting ever more irrational. There were a lot of unwarranted bannings of people, and us regular mods were between a rock and a hard place, on one hand trying to look unified to the posters in the modding policy, on the other hand heavily disagreeing with the bannings. So, in the end Borlag didn't frequent the moding subforum at all anymore, and we often learned about things the moment the other users did.
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Come to think of it another split happened later when certain admins conspired against the will of the moderating staff...
Bosk1... what are you planning?!?
??? Nothing. Just talking about history, that's all. But don't worry. You're not in my "inner circle," but you're probably like the third or fourth circle out, so chances are, if there was a conspiracy, you'd be in a circle that might be close enough to be "inside." Maybe quite possibly.
It was weird. Itchy had left the scene a long time before already, so we were used (and pretty content tbh) to not have any direct dealings with him. Borlag however, developed "issues" over time, and was getting ever more irrational. There were a lot of unwarranted bannings of people, and us regular mods were between a rock and a hard place, on one hand trying to look unified to the posters in the modding policy, on the other hand heavily disagreeing with the bannings. So, in the end Borlag didn't frequent the moding subforum at all anymore, and we often learned about things the moment the other users did.
rumborak
Yeah, that's pretty consistent with what I know/remember. I just sent you a PM with some more details.
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It's become obvious that there is more going on here, based on Mike's emotional reactions on his site.
He made a choice, and he has to live with it.
Dream Theater could very well gain a #1 billboard spot next time, and continue growing their fan base and achieving new levels of success. And Mike won't be a part of it.
Most likely, Mike will fade away into obscurity over the next few years while DT continues forward.
The comparisons I've read with Phil Collins are ridiculous. Collins can 'sing', Mike cannot. He is a drummer and that's it. I can't think of any other drummers who have left the main band and become more successful than that band - unless they joined one already bigger; which is probably inevitable concerning AX7. But that will not be Mike's own success.
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Meanwhile the rest of us couldn't find the damned "ghost town"....and were left emailing each other or congregating at other odd spots until the site came back up.
Borlag's final flame out was impressive.
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Pulling the plug on the forum like that, without any warning at all, was pretty lame. Given all of the internal crap that was going on, I get why they did it, but they could have at least given some notice instead of just shutting it down just like that. Oh well, it all worked out in the end.
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It's become obvious that there is more going on here, based on Mike's emotional reactions on his site.
Of course. I think most people have known that from the get go and continue to ackowledge that that is the case.
He made a choice, and he has to live with it.
Of course he has to live with it. But that has nothing to do with whether people, especially on his site, should be tactful and respectful of the way he is feeling.
Most likely, Mike will fade away into obscurity over the next few years while DT continues forward.
The comparisons I've read with Phil Collins are ridiculous. Collins can 'sing', Mike cannot. He is a drummer and that's it. I can't think of any other drummers who have left the main band and become more successful than that band - unless they joined one already bigger; which is probably inevitable concerning AX7. But that will not be Mike's own success.
I highly doubt he will fade away. He is a very talented drummer, can sing very well (not as a lead singer like Collins, but how many drummers do lead vocals anyway? Not many), has a tremendous work ethic once he gets emotionally invested in a project, and is highly sought-after. I think he will likely be fine as long as he keeps certain parts of his personal life in order.
Borlag's final flame out was impressive.
You don't know the half of it. :lol I halfway wish I could share with you some of what went on after he left here.
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BTW, the Collins comparison works even less because Phil Collins not only can sing, but also play piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i61cL8RVvVQ
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I agree that he won't fade away unless it is a conscious choice on his part or if he has some sort of relapse with personal things that have plagued him in the past (I don't think I need to say it). From what I have gathered, he has a lot of friends in the industry; he'll never have a problem finding a gig.
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Borlag's final flame out was impressive.
You don't know the half of it. :lol I halfway wish I could share with you some of what went on after he left here.
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Didn't Kiss' drummer have a successful solo career?
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You don't know the half of it. I halfway wish I could share with you some of what went on after he left here.
Now, you have my mouth water. :biggrin:
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Didn't Kiss' drummer have a successful solo career?
Yes.
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Peter Criss..No
Eric Singer...Yes
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Most likely, Mike will fade away into obscurity over the next few years while DT continues forward.
The comparisons I've read with Phil Collins are ridiculous. Collins can 'sing', Mike cannot. He is a drummer and that's it. I can't think of any other drummers who have left the main band and become more successful than that band - unless they joined one already bigger; which is probably inevitable concerning AX7. But that will not be Mike's own success.
I highly doubt he will fade away. He is a very talented drummer, can sing very well (not as a lead singer like Collins, but how many drummers do lead vocals anyway? Not many), has a tremendous work ethic once he gets emotionally invested in a project, and is highly sought-after. I think he will likely be fine as long as he keeps certain parts of his personal life in order.
This. And if he does fade into obscurity, he's always welcome to join my band. :neverusethis:
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Why did he censor fuck? It's not like he doesn't constantly says it.
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I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I am a fan of DT, not solely MP. Losing a part of the sum sucks, and I like a lot of what MP does in side-projects and some of his contributions to DT, but I am even more excited as to what a fresh perspective can bring to the band. And the deletion of someone who seemed to take a lot of control over the writing process. Just really interesting/exciting to see this unfold musically.
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Also, the DT tourography is still on his website...but for how long?
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Kev, that's hardly fair on the rest of us. If you guys want to believe in some kind of hidden agenda or conspiracy then go ahead, but don't rag on the rest of us just because we're being less cynical about it.
Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but it is not like I think there is a hidden agenda or conspiracy; I just think there is a lot more going on than what we know right now, but some are taking everything that has been said at face value and acting like that is the end-all be-all of what has happened, as if there is nothing more to it. I am sorry, but I just don't buy that.
Yup. I would think this is pretty obvious. It's painfully naive to think that you've been given the whole story, just as it's overly cynical to make it into a giant conspiracy.
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Depends what you mean by "whole story".
If you mean we haven't been given all the details, then of course that's true, but I can't see why it's a problem. MP's has said that he felt the 2-year cycle and personal relationships had become stale within the band, which is why he wanted a break. Ok there's no detail about why he felt those things had become stale, but does there need to be?
And if you mean that he and the band are lying and hiding something like a major falling out, then... well, I don't know what to say really. But there isn't anything to suggest that it's the case, so I'll just assume you're crazy conspiracy theorists. :biggrin:
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I've never undestood why musicians aren't allowed m
uch privacy. A lot of fans tend to think that if they are fans of a musician or band, then that band or musician, for some reason owes that person certain explanations such as why a member leaves. It's not our business in the end, and while it would be great to know every detail, we aren't righted to do so, it's just an added bonus if they offer it. What the band does is their own business, and if they don't feel the need to tell us, then so be it.
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I've never undestood why musicians aren't allowed m
uch privacy. A lot of fans tend to think that if they are fans of a musician or band, then that band or musician, for some reason owes that person certain explanations such as why a member leaves. It's not our business in the end, and while it would be great to know every detail, we aren't righted to do so, it's just an added bonus if they offer it. What the band does is their own business, and if they don't feel the need to tell us, then so be it.
but as DT fans we expect to know every little detail, that's part of the fun of being a DT fan
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Kev, that's hardly fair on the rest of us. If you guys want to believe in some kind of hidden agenda or conspiracy then go ahead, but don't rag on the rest of us just because we're being less cynical about it.
Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but it is not like I think there is a hidden agenda or conspiracy; I just think there is a lot more going on than what we know right now, but some are taking everything that has been said at face value and acting like that is the end-all be-all of what has happened, as if there is nothing more to it. I am sorry, but I just don't buy that.
Yup. I would think this is pretty obvious. It's painfully naive to think that you've been given the whole story, just as it's overly cynical to make it into a giant conspiracy.
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Depends what you mean by "whole story".
If you mean we haven't been given all the details, then of course that's true, but I can't see why it's a problem. MP's has said that he felt the 2-year cycle and personal relationships had become stale within the band, which is why he wanted a break. Ok there's no detail about why he felt those things had become stale, but does there need to be?
Right. We don't have all the details, and of course there's a possibility that everything didn't go down exactly the way it was portrayed. That doesn't mean there was a huge falling out that's being hidden from us.
so I'll just assume you're crazy conspiracy theorists. :biggrin:
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I've never undestood why musicians aren't allowed m
uch privacy. A lot of fans tend to think that if they are fans of a musician or band, then that band or musician, for some reason owes that person certain explanations such as why a member leaves. It's not our business in the end, and while it would be great to know every detail, we aren't righted to do so, it's just an added bonus if they offer it. What the band does is their own business, and if they don't feel the need to tell us, then so be it.
They're celebrities to some extent, so I understand some fans' desire to know every little detail (though I don't share it). But I totally agree that they don't "owe" anybody explanations or anything. If they want to keep the details to themselves, they should.
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It's not that I don't understand fans desires to know as much as possible, in fact I share it. I, however, don't understand the idea that the band somehow owes it to us.
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I guess it has something to do with "We pay for the music, you won't be there without us, we have to know what we want" type of thinking.
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I guess it has something to do with "We pay for the music, you won't be there without us, we have to know what we want" type of thinking.
Faulty reasoning then I guess.
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Yup.
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Wow you responded to that very quickly.
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I guess it has something to do with "We pay for the music, you won't be there without us, we have to know what we want" type of thinking.
Faulty reasoning then I guess.
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Wow you responded to that very quickly.
If there were to be two omnisciences, I would be both :D
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Oh wow, haven't seen Abydos in a long time.
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Oh wow, haven't seen Abydos in a long time.
That's just what I was thinking.
Nice to have you both back! :)
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Me neither, and quoting Ziltoid by coming back is a good thing.
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The truth about Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater has been revealed: Jon Schaffer fired him.
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The truth about Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater has been revealed: Jon Schaffer fired him.
Well done. I don't know the code or whatever for the clapping emote, but imagine it here.
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:tup
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The truth about Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater has been revealed: Jon Schaffer fired him.
Well done. I know the code or whatever for the clapping emote: :clap:
FTFY :tup
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I've never undestood why musicians aren't allowed m
uch privacy. A lot of fans tend to think that if they are fans of a musician or band, then that band or musician, for some reason owes that person certain explanations such as why a member leaves. It's not our business in the end, and while it would be great to know every detail, we aren't righted to do so, it's just an added bonus if they offer it. What the band does is their own business, and if they don't feel the need to tell us, then so be it.
I think they are alllowed privacy. Nobody's making them say anything they don't want to. We're just interested. Of course we are. They've made something that they've done something brilliant and we're chomping at the bit to find out as much as we possibly can hope to. If we've got a direct link with the musician - or even an indirect one - we'll want to drink the well dry if we can.
That's what fans do. Fanatics. They've got an interest. The musicians are in charge of a keg of information. They can release the tap as little or as much as they want to, but we'll still want the rest of the barrel.
They're entitled to all the privacy they want! They don't owe us anything! But we'd like it very much if we can have a bit more if there's any chance thanks please and thank you.
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BTW, the Collins comparison works even less because Phil Collins not only can sing, but also play piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i61cL8RVvVQ
rumborak
Dude why not show people this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OiV_5kEt6A&feature=related
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man...i still can't believe it.... :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8X_HjL4QEg
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man...i still can't believe it.... :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8X_HjL4QEg
:lol
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Borlag's final flame out was impressive.
You don't know the half of it. :lol I halfway wish I could share with you some of what went on after he left here.
Man, I wish I would have been conscious of all that stuff. I was just a relatively n00bish member who would post time to time, and then noticed one day when I tried to log in it was gone. I think it was somewhere around the time Octavarium came out.
In fact, I didn't even know about this place before the split with 5/8. I completely was unaware of that aspect of the history. I went right from DT official to DTF.org.
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Borlag's final flame out was impressive.
You don't know the half of it. :lol I halfway wish I could share with you some of what went on after he left here.
Share.
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Borlag's final flame out was impressive.
You don't know the half of it. :lol I halfway wish I could share with you some of what went on after he left here.
Share.
Oh please, do. I've been wondering about Borlag ever since he left.
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man...i still can't believe it.... :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8X_HjL4QEg
Best. cry. ever. :rollin
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man...i still can't believe it.... :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8X_HjL4QEg
Best. cry. ever. :rollin
I'm dying of laughter right now.
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couldn't of expressed it better myself :lol
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Dear Mr. fllnsprrw,
In response to your response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrTAt_m1po
:)
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:rollin
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Dear Mr. fllnsprrw,
In response to your response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrTAt_m1po
:)
(https://www.spaceg.com/multimedia/collection/fukung.net%20favorites/Citizen%20Kane%20clap.gif)
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MP's official facebook page says that he is the current drummer of A7X.
That reads kind of funny, because I thought he was just helping them out. Maybe I'm just reading it the wrong way.
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Well, technically, he is. It's just a question of how long he's going to be in that position.
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No one else is currently drumming for them. Therefore, he is the current drummer for them. It is correct.
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I know, but when he was in DT, he was their current drummer as well, right? ;)
I guess with no emphasis as to whether he is the permanent or temporary drummer is what threw me off at first.
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I know, but when he was in DT, he was their current drummer as well, right? ;)
Technically, yes, but it probably would have just said "drummer," since that was his permanent gig.
I guess with no emphasis as to whether he is the permanent or temporary drummer is what threw me off at first.
It's OK. You're a math guy, not an English guy. :biggrin:
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I guess with no emphasis as to whether he is the permanent or temporary drummer is what threw me off at first.
It's OK. You're a math guy, not an English guy. :biggrin:
I'm a maths guy and I still understood. I think it's more that he's a jamesman guy that's the problem. :biggrin:
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I know, but when he was in DT, he was their current drummer as well, right? ;)
Technically, yes, but it probably would have just said "drummer," since that was his permanent gig.
True. Hef wins.
I guess with no emphasis as to whether he is the permanent or temporary drummer is what threw me off at first.
It's OK. You're a math guy, not an English guy. :biggrin:
Nah, I'm like most people on the forum; I read too much into that stuff. :biggrin: :lol
I guess with no emphasis as to whether he is the permanent or temporary drummer is what threw me off at first.
It's OK. You're a math guy, not an English guy. :biggrin:
I'm a maths guy and I still understood. I think it's more that he's a jamesman guy that's the problem. :biggrin:
NO I WAS READING FAR TOO DEEPLY INTO THE WORDING
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU SPELL "FAVOURITE" THAT WAY. CAPS LOCK FOR EMPHASIS (grammar disregarded here, maybe...).
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...but seriously, I guess it's also because I haven't read through a lot of the content on this site about all the speculation, I thought maybe MP left DT for A7X. But I just read that he didn't from his facebook, so...dang. I should go read through the thousands of posts on here.
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In fairness, I was here when it was happening and I couldn't keep up with everything, so I can't really be too hard on you. :lol
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Yeah. :lol There's a lot to read, but I just noticed Nick's thread...but still, there's a ton of speculation abound from what I've seen.
Dang.
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What is going on with the Portnoy forum?
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Is that a question.
Edit: Train of Thought fan photos? WAT
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Dear Mr. fllnsprrw,
In response to your response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrTAt_m1po
:)
:lol :rollin
EDIT: The MP forum looks weird indeed!
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What is going on with the Portnoy forum?
From mabrown:
Yes I know the forum looks weird..
An upgrade f*cked the forum theme..
I'll be fixing it over the next day or two as there is a TON that is in the theme that is now broke..
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man...i still can't believe it.... :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8X_HjL4QEg
:heart
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What is going on with the Portnoy forum?
From mabrown:
Yes I know the forum looks weird..
An upgrade f*cked the forum theme..
I'll be fixing it over the next day or two as there is a TON that is in the theme that is now broke..
It's a conspiracy.
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Now, everything is starting to make much more sense...
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starting at 1:50
:sadpanda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yd0tW0_9Qc&feature=related
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Now, everything is starting to make much more sense...
Care to elaborate? I believe I missed something because I am still dazed and confused, stunned and bewildered. :neverusethis:
On a serious note, I do want you to elaborate on that.
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I just watched the Wither video for the first time in a while..... I think I died a little inside.
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On a break...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsvsRZhNVp4
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Did anybody see this?
https://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/derek-sherinian-portnoy-will-return-to-dream-theater/
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Did anybody see this?
https://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/derek-sherinian-portnoy-will-return-to-dream-theater/
At first I thought the end of the url said "Derek Sherinian Will Return to Dream Theater" and I was like O SHI :eek
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Confused me for a second too :lol
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Yes, and what does Derek know? Frankly, I think and I HOPE MP won't be back with DT. A new chapter for everyone. BTW, if they let him come back, he will have won.
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He will be back only to play the entire AA saga as a guest performance in an upcoming DVD. That's the only scenario.
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Yes, and what does Derek know?
Derek knows what it's like to be in Dream Theater, then replaced by "the one they really wanted" after one album. He's predicting that the same thing will happen to the new drummer, based on his own experience. His opinion/prediction is at least as valid as anyone else's, probably more.
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Yes, and what does Derek know?
Yeah, it's pretty obvious if you read the article that he is just speculating, as we all are. He obviously knows the personalities better than any of us, since he spent years with the guys, but beyond that, he's an outsider to all this just as the rest of us are. I mean, he says "this is Mike's band." Um...no, it's not. Mike's not even in the band. Mike has no control over what DT does at any point in the future other than the ability to pick up the phone and ask nicely.
BTW, if they let him come back, he will have won.
??? He won't have "won" or lost anything. It's not a contest.
He will be back only to play the entire AA saga as a guest performance in an upcoming DVD. That's the only scenario.
I highly doubt that will happen.
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He will be back only to play the entire AA saga as a guest performance in an upcoming DVD. That's the only scenario.
I highly doubt that will happen.
I doubt it too, but in my eyes, this will be the only way/time that Mike will return to the band, and only for one, or a handful of shows.
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I think he will be back just not for a long while, maybe a few albums in. But if not then that's ok with me i'd still enjoy what he and DT will put out
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He will be back only to play the entire AA saga as a guest performance in an upcoming DVD. That's the only scenario.
God, I hope not. To me, the best part of him leaving the band is that we won't have to hear that thing played in its entirety. I liked a few of the songs very much, but not enough to warrant the others being played.
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Now, everything is starting to make much more sense...
Care to elaborate? I believe I missed something because I am still dazed and confused, stunned and bewildered. :neverusethis:
On a serious note, I do want you to elaborate on that.
Just sort of trying to piece things together based on JP's comments in the reference thread and the recent developments on MP's forum and so on. I didn't mean to make it sound like I have inside info cause I don't, but my perspective on the situation has changed since the first week. Most of it is because of JP's posts which have really helped out a lot. Yes, it is still kind of shocking in a way, but my mind is more at ease now and I can start to understand how the band members are feeling about/coping with the situation. I'm really starting to look at it in a more positive way.
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Here's what I think:
JP said they aren't looking for a temporary replacement. If that weren't true, he wouldn't have said it. JP seems like a straight shooter to me. He wouldn't be spending time, answering questions and giving misinformation.
With that being said, I think Portnoy could return under one - and, only one - condition: the new drummer isn't working out and Portnoy wants to come back at the same time. I don't believe for a second that, had DT been in love with Derek overall, they would have replaced him with Jordan. I think the only reason they kicked out Derek and had Jordan was because they weren't pissing their pants over Derek to begin with. That's obviously just speculation, but I think it's at least a fair speculation considering what happened with Falling into Infinity and all that. I think they wanted to go into a heavier, more shreddy direction, Derek wasn't the right player and Jordan became available.
That COULD happen with a drummer.
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From JP's Twitter:
SafakCatikkas: Who's the new drummer?
JP: Starting auditions next month.
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Did anybody see this?
https://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/derek-sherinian-portnoy-will-return-to-dream-theater/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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the spirit carries on with JP singing just came up on my playlist....hearing Mike at the end made me :sadpanda:
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From JP's Twitter:
SafakCatikkas: Who's the new drummer?
JP: Starting auditions next month.
That's cool, I wonder how long the auditions are going to be held.
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I agree with you Snake Eyes, MP has made the decision, so if the new drummer works out brilliantly then that's kinda his own problem really. But if there any issues, or things don't gel as well as they did before, then Mike returning is a definite possibility.
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All I want to say is that the new drummer must cherish this opportunity forever. It's a one in a lifetime opportunity to improve his skills by a 100%, like Derek. (Yeah, there are better drummers than Mike, but I think the technical side of DT can do a lot of goodness to any drummer.)
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I wasn't too sure if this was worthy of its own thread so I decided to post it here. I found this on the Classic Rock website. It's interesting to see a former members opinion on Mike's departure.
Link: https://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/derek-sherinian-portnoy-will-return-to-dream-theater/
"I was more a little surprised, rather than shocked, at his departure. He’s been doing it for 25 years, and I know he wanted to take a break from the constant album-tour-album-tour cycle. He told the other guys that he wanted to take a break, but they told him, ‘We’re going into the studio, so shit or get off the pot’. So he left.
“However, this is Mike’s band. Knowing all the personalities involved, I’d expect them to do one album without him, using an interim drummer, and then he’ll be back. I wish all of them the best. I loved being in Dream Theater [1994-98], and we were such a powerful band. But clearly Mike wants the time to explore other musical avenues.”
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I wasn't too sure if this was worthy of its own thread so I decided to post it here. I found this on the Classic Rock website. It's interesting to see a former members opinion on Mike's departure.
Link: https://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/derek-sherinian-portnoy-will-return-to-dream-theater/
"I was more a little surprised, rather than shocked, at his departure. He’s been doing it for 25 years, and I know he wanted to take a break from the constant album-tour-album-tour cycle. He told the other guys that he wanted to take a break, but they told him, ‘We’re going into the studio, so shit or get off the pot’. So he left.
“However, this is Mike’s band. Knowing all the personalities involved, I’d expect them to do one album without him, using an interim drummer, and then he’ll be back. I wish all of them the best. I loved being in Dream Theater [1994-98], and we were such a powerful band. But clearly Mike wants the time to explore other musical avenues.”
Did anybody see this?
https://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/derek-sherinian-portnoy-will-return-to-dream-theater/
It was a page back. But I'm glad people are still seeing it. :lol
-Marc.
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DT is bigger than MP.
tl;dr = Deal with it.
F*cking this. Dream Theater is bigger than Mike Portnoy.
The hardest thing to learn in life is which bridge to cross and which... to burn.
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But you're talking about the guy who had the official DT forum shut-down because Train of Thought was being torn a new asshole.
If it wasn't for people wanting to carry on the site afterward, there wouldn't even be a place of DT fans to post freely.
I remember that. I was banned instantly for speaking my mind about the Train of Thought debacle.
The internet and freely communicating about whatever sh*t you want to discuss will rage on. And if it pertains to something personal, it will hurt (your ego) sometimes - including MP's as well.
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I know he's been through a lot lately (dad passing, keeping up the DT machine, side projects galore), but some of that is his own fault. Like, I am glad he did more music with TA, but I honestly think he should've stopped right there. Going on to do stuff with even more side projects is going to burn you out.
MP seems to be acting like this because he's been frustrated with too much stuff. It sounds like he needs to take a break from all music. The other DT members have been active away from DT, but nowhere near what MP has done. He could learn some wisdom about rest from those guys. That's why I don't really feel bad for MP at all.
Agreed. This is of Mike's own volition. Mike Portnoy needs a break from Mike Portnoy. I'm surprised but not shocked this has happened. But I do NOT feel sad about it and I do NOT feel sad for Mike Portnoy.
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But you're talking about the guy who had the official DT forum shut-down because Train of Thought was being torn a new asshole.
If it wasn't for people wanting to carry on the site afterward, there wouldn't even be a place of DT fans to post freely.
I remember that. I was banned instantly for speaking my mind about the Train of Thought debacle.
The internet and freely communicating about whatever sh*t you want to discuss will rage on. And if it pertains to something personal, it will hurt (your ego) sometimes - including MP's as well.
If he runs the forum then ultimately it's up to him what can and cannot be discussed. If someone breaks the rules that are set down then they get banned.
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DT 1.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Charlie Dominici, Kevin Moore, John Myung
DT 2.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Kevin Moore, John Myung
DT 3.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Derek Sherinian, John Myung
DT 4.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Jordan Rudess, John Myung
DT 5.0: John Petrucci, ?, Kevin James LaBrie, Jordan Rudess, John Myung
I'm very excited to see what Dream Theater 5.0 will bring to the table. VERY.
I wish the best for ALL parties involved. This is the best news I have heard about Dream Theater in a LONG time. Good times ahead as I can only assume that JLB, JP, JR, JM are ecstatic about going into the creative and recording sessions now that the shackles have been released.
With DT 5.0, it will be interesting to see a few things:
What kind of presence will the band have in the studio and out touring?
How will the fans react?
Who will be the 'voice' of DT?
Will the departure of Mike Portnoy be the for the better or for the worse of Dream Theater?
Time will only tell.
I'm sure for some DT fans this will be A Nightmare to Remember and for others it will be The Best of Times. :metal
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We know his full name is Kevin James LaBrie, but why call him that when his artistic name is just James LaBrie? In that case, Michael T. Portnoy and Homer J. Simpson should be included, too.
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Too soon for normal tweets :D
Looks like MP is getting more tattoos and is staying fit
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His last set of tweets are kind of embarrassing in that "Hey guys...remember I'm still not in the band anymore...I left, guys! Anyone?", Facebook status attention seeking kinda way.
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His last set of tweets are kind of embarrassing in that "Hey guys...remember I'm still not in the band anymore...I left, guys! Anyone?", Facebook status attention seeking kinda way.
I guess it was indeed "too soon" for normal tweets... : (
Yeah, i feel bad for him, but at the same time, im selfish about him leaving DT :(.
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Okay, that's it. Time to stop following Portnoy. It makes me sad to watch grown men act like children. You know, if you stop treating every bit of criticism that comes your way like it's a big deal, maybe it'd won't become such a big deal and you have a 'normal' life.
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Honestly, I feel for Portnoy right now. He's left DT, he really hates it, he decided to start Tweeting/Facebooking about being with Ax7 which is what's going on in his life and he enjoys. And you know all these petulant DT fans are coming out of the woodwork going "WHY DID YOU LEAVE DT FOR AX7" "WHY ARE YOU PARTYING WITH THEM LIKE A LITTLE KID" "AX7 SUXXXXXXX."
How's he supposed to feel? Maybe he shouldn't take it personally, but I'm not there.
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Portnoy always draws attention to the negativity, thereby making it worse. I understand why he feels the way he feels, but he could be handling it much better, or just simply ignoring it.
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Is there proof that people were actually complaining? The timestamps of his tweets screams attention seeker.
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DT 5.0
Album name
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Thank God I have this place to discuss MP's tweets. Over at his forum they just kiss his ass, and I'm sorry, that gets annoying.
Is it just me, or did 'broken hearted DT fans' sound sarcastic?
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Is there proof that people were actually complaining? The timestamps of his tweets screams attention seeker.
It was probably just the normal kind of stuff you see whenever anything new happens in the music world. Mike's just upset that no-one is fast enough to delete all the negativity for him before he logs onto his facebook/twitter/etc.
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How exactly is MP partying with Avenged Sevenfold? He can't drink. It sure would be something awful if he relapsed after all these years and after just finishing the 12 Step Suite.
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I love to drink on the right occasion, but you can certainly party and have a good time without alcohol.
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Watching a bunch of drunken idiots while sober is not very fun.
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I'm actually curious about that, since prior to this (less than a year ago) MP has said that he doesn't even put himself in environments where there's drinking. A7X seem like they're pretty big drinkers/possible drug users.
I guess I'm just curious. I wonder what "The Boys" do to party too.
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Watching a bunch of drunken idiots while sober is not very fun.
As long as people aren't getting annoyingly drunk I find being the only sober person in a room full of drunk people to be very amusing.
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I'm actually curious about that, since prior to this (less than a year ago) MP has said that he doesn't even put himself in environments where there's drinking. A7X seem like they're pretty big drinkers/possible drug users.
I guess I'm just curious. I wonder what "The Boys" do to party too.
My guess is get tattoos... MP seems to get a new one everyday.
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Man, I feel ignorant saying this, because I love everything Mike did in DT, but I seem to be losing more and more respect for him everyday, and his Twitter isn't helping. JP on the other hand...
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Man, I feel ignorant saying this, because I love everything Mike did in DT, but I seem to be losing more and more respect for him everyday, and his Twitter isn't helping. JP on the other hand...
Exactly this.
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Man, I feel ignorant saying this, because I love everything Mike did in DT, but I seem to be losing more and more respect for him everyday, and his Twitter isn't helping. JP on the other hand...
I know, I feel the same way. I used to be the first one to get angry at anyone attacking him because of how much he did for the band, but as of late he has been losing my respect.
He needs to just MOVE ON. I feel like he doesn't even know any better than to feed the trolls, and say things like "The broken-hearted DT fans that are badmouthing my last tweet really need to lighten up...am I supposed to NOT ENJOY MY LIFE??? I'm Sorry." I mean, of course there are going to be fans that don't get it. But the truth is, that he needs to move on, and not even post about the whole situation. If he wants to post about doing things with A7X, he should do it. Just don't post things like that afterwards. Who cares what other people think, it's the internet, you'd think he would have learned that by now.
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DT 1.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Charlie Dominici, Kevin Moore, John Myung
DT 2.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Kevin Moore, John Myung
DT 3.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Derek Sherinian, John Myung
DT 4.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Jordan Rudess, John Myung
DT 5.0: John Petrucci, ?, Kevin James LaBrie, Jordan Rudess, John Myung
Strictly speaking, should the new incarnation of Dream Theater be "DT 6.0", with 1.0 including Chris Collins on vocals?
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I figure that since the first album came out with Charlie, that lineup was DT 1.0, so the Chris Collins lineup was like Beta DT 0.5 or something.
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DT 1.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Charlie Dominici, Kevin Moore, John Myung
DT 2.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Kevin Moore, John Myung
DT 3.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Derek Sherinian, John Myung
DT 4.0: John Petrucci, Mike Portnoy, Kevin James LaBrie, Jordan Rudess, John Myung
DT 5.0: John Petrucci, ?, Kevin James LaBrie, Jordan Rudess, John Myung
Strictly speaking, should the new incarnation of Dream Theater be "DT 6.0", with 1.0 including Chris Collins on vocals?
If you want to get THAT nitpicky, what about Steve Stone? Or Chris Cintron? Or the one show they played live with Jordan Rudess before they settled on Derek? At least those formations of the band were called Dream Theater, but with Chris Collins, they weren't even Dream Theater yet.
-Marc.
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That's why they were still Beta DT.
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Guys, please cut all this "MP should move on" crap. It's only been a couple of weeks since he made one of the hardest decisions of his life, so cut him some friggin slack. Most of you haven't even been alive for 25 years let alone part of a band, so you have no idea what he's going through. All this "he's so immature" stuff ends just makes you sound arrogant and ignorant.
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^Since that's at least partially directed to me, I've gotta ask is it coming from "normal ariich," "moderator ariich," or both?
Because I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out how immature bitching via Twitter is, especially for grown people, but if it's crossing the line of "bashing former members" or whatever then I'll stop :police:
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I really find MP's bitching on Twitter silly as well but... are we doing any better than him, bitching about his bitching?
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I really find MP's bitching on Twitter silly as well but... are we doing any better than him, bitching about his bitching?
There's a difference.
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^Since that's at least partially directed to me, I've gotta ask is it coming from "normal ariich," "moderator ariich," or both?
Because I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out how immature bitching via Twitter is, especially for grown people, but if it's crossing the line of "bashing former members" or whatever then I'll stop :police:
It's not crossing the line. And ariich doesn't wear two different faces at two different times. What he said is exactly what he meant.
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^Since that's at least partially directed to me, I've gotta ask is it coming from "normal ariich," "moderator ariich," or both?
Because I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out how immature bitching via Twitter is, especially for grown people, but if it's crossing the line of "bashing former members" or whatever then I'll stop :police:
It's not crossing the line. And ariich doesn't wear two different faces at two different times. What he said is exactly what he meant.
I know ariich doesn't wear two faces, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't a "the moderators want this to stop" kind of thing. I guess he would've said so if it was. My bad. Didn't mean to suggest that ariich was twofaced or anything. I :heart ariich. I'm sorry if someone took it the wrong way.
I really find MP's bitching on Twitter silly as well but... are we doing any better than him, bitching about his bitching?
There's a difference.
It's not better, but it's more appropriate. The fact is, people talk smack about bands all the time. The occasional harping on the negative is all fun and games, and part of being a fan. The same thing applies to sports. I may be a Jets fan, but I've had my fair share of "bash Sanchez" sessions with other Jets fans.
The whole "people bitching about entertainers for not entertaining" is a sacred part of the fan-entertainer relationship. Guys who get paid big bucks to put on a show, either on a stage or on a field, are more-or-less expected to shrug off the criticism. When an entertainer can't man up to a simple fact of life such as this one, and turns toward hormonally outlashing against the fans on the internet, it just looks bad. Granted, Portnoy hasn't really "hormonally outlashed" against us fans, he seems pretty close to doing so. One has to wonder if he actually thinks that writing messages like "I GUESS I CAN'T HAVE A NORMAL LIFE SORRY:(" is going to silence the criticism.
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^Since that's at least partially directed to me, I've gotta ask is it coming from "normal ariich," "moderator ariich," or both?
Because I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out how immature bitching via Twitter is, especially for grown people, but if it's crossing the line of "bashing former members" or whatever then I'll stop :police:
It's not crossing the line. And ariich doesn't wear two different faces at two different times. What he said is exactly what he meant.
I know ariich doesn't wear two faces, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't a "the moderators want this to stop" kind of thing. I guess he would've said so if it was. My bad. Didn't mean to suggest that ariich was twofaced or anything. I :heart ariich. I'm sorry if someone took it the wrong way.
I really find MP's bitching on Twitter silly as well but... are we doing any better than him, bitching about his bitching?
There's a difference.
It's not better, but it's more appropriate. The fact is, people talk smack about bands all the time. The occasional harping on the negative is all fun and games, and part of being a fan. The same thing applies to sports. I may be a Jets fan, but I've had my fair share of "bash Sanchez" sessions with other Jets fans.
The whole "people bitching about entertainers for not entertaining" is a sacred part of the fan-entertainer relationship. Guys who get paid big bucks to put on a show, either on a stage or on a field, are more-or-less expected to shrug off the criticism. When an entertainer can't man up to a simple fact of life such as this one, and turns toward hormonally outlashing against the fans on the internet, it just looks bad. Granted, Portnoy hasn't really "hormonally outlashed" against us fans, he seems pretty close to doing so. One has to wonder if he actually thinks that writing messages like "I GUESS I CAN'T HAVE A NORMAL LIFE SORRY:(" is going to silence the criticism.
Devin Townsend said it best once. He mentioned that as someone of his status (well-known musician and artist), he is very responsible for what he says and his actions, etc. because they can influence his fans. For example, he can't just get back to taking drugs or something because that would completely break the inspiration he had on the fans. I'm too tired to phrase my words properly.
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Devin Townsend said it best once. He mentioned that as someone of his status (well-known musician and artist), he is very responsible for what he says and his actions, etc. because they can influence his fans. For example, he can't just get back to taking drugs or something because that would completely break the inspiration he had on the fans. I'm too tired to phrase my words properly.
I agree with what this Devin Townsend said. You can't expect all celebrities to be like this though. Mike Portnoy is different. I like him and I don't like how he's acting right now.
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Whatever your opinions on where the band goes from here, I'm still pretty disappointed he left. For years, I've been looking forward to seeing the 12 Step Suite live in its entirety, and I can't see them doing that without him. I don't know if they would have done it WITH him, but I heard an unsubstantiated rumor that MP wanted to do it when he completed it, which he obviously did in BC&SL.
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It doesn't really sound professional of Mike Portnoy to tweet the way he recently has. I'll stick with my original statement: Mike Portnoy needs a break from Mike Portnoy. He determined his life to be the of the "go go go" mentality. That's how his fans and fans of DT perceived his life. And he had every right to change gears and have a different life of the "take the time and rejuvenate" mentality. But he doesn't give his fans much credit or much respect if he expects them to "understand" that he wants to have that different life. They only know one Mike Portnoy. They don't know the Mike Portnoy that would walk away from a 25 year investment to have a different life. And trust me, life without DT will be a different life for Mike Portnoy.
I'll advocate Mike walking away. Walking away will let him refresh and rejuvenate. It will restore and promote creativity. It may open his mind to let things develop. This is something I stated after Train of Thought. The way the album was produced was insane (my humble opinion) - so rushed and nothing ever had time to digest. With the exception of Wither, I think a lot of the recent Dream Theater material (last 3 albums) has been shoved down our throats. My proclivities lead me to believe that it was due to Mike's overall direction of the band, lack of creativity, and literally no input from the rest of the band (outside of JP).
Mike will do what he wants. It's been very clear to this point that he always has but that doesn't mean he shouldn't remain professional. Someone else on the forum noted: "I like Mike but I don't like the way he is acting."
I agree. And I don't blame his fans or DT fans for losing respect for him.
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I disagree for the most part, B_D concerning their recent work. Musically I think most of it has been spot-on. For me it's the lyrics that are sometimes cringe-worthy. But when you get a bunch of self-indulgent virtuosos (and I mean that in the best way possible) together to write music, you can (or at least I can) forgive their shortcomings in the lyrics department when the instrumental side is so great.
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I don't mind any of their lyrics.
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I think their lyrics are of pretty consistent quality from WDADU up to (and including) Octavarium. I think I would have preferred they NOT go back to fantasy lyrics, but I don't mind those either really.
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I don't mind any of their lyrics.
BC&SL and TCoT were two songs that made me cringe a couple times.
"MAH BROTHA!" :tdwn
Both are musically great and I'd listen to them over and over. But the lyrics just don't FIT the music they wrote (a shortcoming of their "record the music then fit the lyrics in somehow" writing process, IMHO).
At any rate, I'm hoping Mike's departure will revitalize this aspect.
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Thing is, MP's biggest plus, his involvement with the fans, is also his Achilles heel. Why does he keep reading the mental brainfarts of random internet people? To use the analogy again, when you break up with someone, you don't keep on listening to her friends' conversation about you all the time.
rumborak
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BC&SL and TCoT were two songs that made me cringe a couple times.
What's that song? I haven't heard about it! :biggrin:
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It goes like,
Our hopes and expectaaaations,
Black clouds and silver liiiiinings!
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To use the analogy again, when you break up with someone, you don't keep on listening to her friends' conversation about you all the time.
Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
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It goes like,
Our hopes and expectaaaations,
Black clouds and silver liiiiinings!
Oh, I've heard it! It's the hidden bonus track on the third disc of the BC&SL special edition that can only be heard when you put the disc to your CD player upside down! The second hidden track is a mash-up of all the songs on BC&SL and it's called "The Best Withered Count's Fortress of Passage to Remember!"
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BC&SL and TCoT were two songs that made me cringe a couple times.
What's that song? I haven't heard about it! :biggrin:
Jesus, I AM overtired, aren't I? I meant A Nightmare to Remember. :blush
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Maybe we should get a song called Black clouds & silver linings on the next album. It would be like Zeppelin's Houses of the holy. :)
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Maybe we should get a song called Black clouds & silver linings on the next album. It would be like Zeppelin's Houses of the holy. :)
Only if the next album is a double album like Physical Graffiti was... :tup
-Marc.
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To use the analogy again, when you break up with someone, you don't keep on listening to her friends' conversation about you all the time.
Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
Do you really mean it? Would you really give up on us? No! Don't go, please!!!! :(
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Thing is, MP's biggest plus, his involvement with the fans, is also his Achilles heel. Why does he keep reading the mental brainfarts of random internet people? To use the analogy again, when you break up with someone, you don't keep on listening to her friends' conversation about you all the time.
rumborak
I think he have a tatoo related to this...like the happy king the sad king: There is a good and a bad side when you're that close to the fans and that in charge with the band...you get a lot of credit but also a lot of blame.
Just like fishing: It's like, woah the big fish but heyy don't fall the hot water so welcoming to me I'm undecided and confused/not amused. It's like the fishing analogy I like to call it...very helpfull.
EDIT: 999 posts it's like 666 posts but upside-down OMG so methul!! \m/
EDIT2: Well...not anymore. :(
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It's funny cuz the only one who apparently isn't moving on is MP.
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His last set of tweets are kind of embarrassing in that "Hey guys...remember I'm still not in the band anymore...I left, guys! Anyone?", Facebook status attention seeking kinda way.
You could say he is a... Status Seeker :neverusethis:
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EDIT: The fact that he's bitching about that is because he still cares about the DT fans and he's trying everything not to think about his leaving of DT. Maybe he thinks that going fun with A7X is what's better for him in order to forget about that, but the douchebag people who happen to be DT fans (Not all DT fans of course) keep him away from doing it and that pisses him off. You can't blame him for caring about what they say about him, he's been doing that for 25 years. IMO.
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His last set of tweets are kind of embarrassing in that "Hey guys...remember I'm still not in the band anymore...I left, guys! Anyone?", Facebook status attention seeking kinda way.
You could say he is a... Status Seeker :horatio:
FTFY
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After talkin with some friends about this, I understand what MP is going through, no one saw this coming even him. But now that he's gone I look forward to his upcoming material. Being in a band, it is hard to lose a member. Theirs a lot of things that might've happened but what we know is what he wants us to know and i'm happy with just that. Leave that for a biography.
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Ok so enough time has passed already. Who is the new drummer and what is DT doing is all I give a flying shit about now. Good luck to MP but I agree, stop bitching. The fans want DT not MP. I think that is what is really bothering him.
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I guess it pays not having a Twitter or Facebook
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I dunno, I think MP shouldn't receive so much shitstorm from we the fans but neither so much ball-licking either.
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IMHO
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:lol
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Wow you guys, why all this "I'm losing respect for him, I don't like him anymore" thing? The man is obviously upset and sad about the whole situation. If you don't like that he's expressing it, don't read it! :chill
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Wow you guys, why all this "I'm losing respect for him, I don't like him anymore" thing? The man is obviously upset and sad about the whole situation. If you don't like that he's expressing it, don't read it! :chill
That goes both ways.
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Wow you guys, why all this "I'm losing respect for him, I don't like him anymore" thing? The man is obviously upset and sad about the whole situation. If you don't like that he's expressing it, don't read it! :chill
We are all pretty chilled. And we're just post our opinions in a relaxed way. That's about it
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Allright, I just hope that none of you "loses the respect" for MP just because of some harmless tweets.
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I love Mp and DT but I will say that I get a little irratated when I keep hearing MP say "I didnt want to leave, but..."
Feels like to me that he wants to blame DT more than totally embrace HIS decision. I just get an edgy vibe from it. If he means to say "I want to stay but those DT guys are making me quit," why doesnt he say it all the time? He seems like a crappy diplomat who insinuates everything, but tries to say it nicely. Seems like he wants to take some of the blame off of himself???
I am okay with MP's decision and wish him the best.
Also, I dont know if it is because I cant stand A7X or not, but if I see one more tweet saying sh1t like "Me, Johnny Stink-nuts and Zakky got tats, played putt putt, and shared a milk shake" I am gonna puke. We get it MP, your are having fun playing with the kids. I just dont think many of the DT fans are ready for that yet. He even mentioned in one of his tweets...Too soon! Yep!
Mp also needs to realize that many DT fans are really hurt and angry with him over this. Many fans take things personal. IMO MP needs to lay off the tweets for a while. That may help him too.
It will absolutely kill MP to not be a part of the new era of DT. And again, once the band moves forward with new dude, I expect things to not be so cordial anymore.
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life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF.
Bosk, you are scaring me. :-(
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:horatio:
:lol awesome!
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Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
I hope you haven't been secretly filling in for another site that lost its moderator. I mean, the TransImperial forum last year was fun and all, but I'm beginning to think all these side-project sites are burning you out. You may be set financially, but the other mods need their DTF income to feed and clothe themselves. I hope all this doesn't go where I feel like it's going!!!
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Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
I hope you haven't been secretly filling in for another site that lost its moderator. I mean, the TransImperial forum last year was fun and all, but I'm beginning to think all these side-project sites are burning you out. You may be set financially, but the other mods need their DTF income to feed and clothe themselves. I hope all this doesn't go where I feel like it's going!!!
:lol
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Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
I hope you haven't been secretly filling in for another site that lost its moderator. I mean, the TransImperial forum last year was fun and all, but I'm beginning to think all these side-project sites are burning you out. You may be set financially, but the other mods need their DTF income to feed and clothe themselves. I hope all this doesn't go where I feel like it's going!!!
Whoa, strange deja vu (nuggitz)
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Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
I hope you haven't been secretly filling in for another site that lost its moderator. I mean, the TransImperial forum last year was fun and all, but I'm beginning to think all these side-project sites are burning you out. You may be set financially, but the other mods need their DTF income to feed and clothe themselves. I hope all this doesn't go where I feel like it's going!!!
The other mods get DTF income?
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Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
I hope you haven't been secretly filling in for another site that lost its moderator. I mean, the TransImperial forum last year was fun and all, but I'm beginning to think all these side-project sites are burning you out. You may be set financially, but the other mods need their DTF income to feed and clothe themselves. I hope all this doesn't go where I feel like it's going!!!
The other mods get DTF income?
You haven't been receiving your checks?
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Guys, I know you have a lot of work and you're sacrificing yourself, your lives, neglect your kids and wives, all for DTF posters and lurkers to be happy... I'll help you out, I'll voluntarily join the mods.
... umm, how much exactly does the monthly income make?
:-)
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One Dream Theater
lol j/kGuys, I know you have a lot of work and you're sacrificing yourself, your lives, neglect your kids and wives, all for DTF posters and lurkers to be happy... I'll help you out, I'll voluntarily join the mods.
... umm, how much exactly does the monthly income make?
:-)
You could say it is never enough
:neverusethis:
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One Dream Theater
lol j/kGuys, I know you have a lot of work and you're sacrificing yourself, your lives, neglect your kids and wives, all for DTF posters and lurkers to be happy... I'll help you out, I'll voluntarily join the mods.
... umm, how much exactly does the monthly income make?
:-)
You could say it is... *sunglasses* never enough
:horatio:
FTFY
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Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
I hope you haven't been secretly filling in for another site that lost its moderator. I mean, the TransImperial forum last year was fun and all, but I'm beginning to think all these side-project sites are burning you out. You may be set financially, but the other mods need their DTF income to feed and clothe themselves. I hope all this doesn't go where I feel like it's going!!!
The other mods get DTF income?
You haven't been receiving your checks?
This is all just incredible.
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Interesting analogy in light of the fact that a lot of posts of late have led to a thought crossing my mind every so often of, "life would be good again if I broke up with that chick named DTF."
I hope you haven't been secretly filling in for another site that lost its moderator. I mean, the TransImperial forum last year was fun and all, but I'm beginning to think all these side-project sites are burning you out. You may be set financially, but the other mods need their DTF income to feed and clothe themselves. I hope all this doesn't go where I feel like it's going!!!
The other mods get DTF income?
You haven't been receiving your checks?
:'(
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IT'S NOT MY FAULT! YOU SAID YOU WERE PERFECTLY CONTENT BEING PAID IN SOULS OF THE BANNED INSTEAD OF CASH!
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I haven't gotten any of those lately either.
*makes note to go on banning rampage*
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Ban Nick
:splodetard:
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Ban Nick
Been there, done that. Numerous times. Never gets old.
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Ban Nick
Been there, done that. Numerous times. Never gets old.
He still get's frustrated :P
I wish I could ban somebody. It sounds like fun
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PLM, check your PM's now.
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Ban Nick
Been there, done that. Numerous times. Never gets old.
He still get's frustrated :P
I wish I could ban somebody. It sounds like fun
I banned someone on a radio control forum once, it was easily one of the most rewarding feelings I have ever had.
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lolNick
anyway
I haven't really chimed in on the MP thing, but I do think he's been acting silly. He needs to calm down or take a break from the interent if he's gonna get like this
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Also, I dont know if it is because I cant stand A7X or not, but if I see one more tweet saying sh1t like "Me, Johnny Stink-nuts and Zakky got tats, played putt putt, and shared a milk shake" I am gonna puke. We get it MP, your are having fun playing with the kids. I just dont think many of the DT fans are ready for that yet. He even mentioned in one of his tweets...Too soon! Yep!
It's called a mid-life crisis. Most guys this happens to leave their wife and family, or buy a new car, or have an affair, or do some other random silly thing to prove to themselves they are still 'young' and aren't 'missing' out on life, lol.
I have a background in psychology, and the more I read Mike's tweets, and comments the more I am convinced this is exactly what Mike is going through. Hell, I'm 40, it would be a blast to hang out with a bunch of 20 somethings in a big band touring around the country with all the pleasures for my taking. But I've had my fun and enjoy evenings at home with the wife, and concerts, etc, lol.
Mike obviously missed out on this experience in DT. I remember many shows where his wife and kids were on the road with him. I remember many shows where the only ones waiting at the tour bus were guys in the chess club, lol.
I am of the opinion Mike's experiences with AX7 pushed him over the edge, and he wanted more next year. If DT were to take a 'break', he could tour with them even more.
I don't blame AX7, they are just having fun and 'living the life'.
But Mike is a 44 year old man. Talking about 'tats' and 'milk shakes' at 3am on the tour bus. It's pathetic, lol.
Someday, and even more so if DT continue their success, he will see this decision for what it really was about.
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Dude, you have a background in psychology? Thank you for clearing that up. I might have read your post and thought it was baseless condescension.
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Be nice to the noob, ReaPsTa. He's completely correct; it's just that everything he said has already been said in this thread a couple dozen times.
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I don't know if anyone heard, but Portnoy just left DT! OMG I'm in shock.
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Be nice to the noob, ReaPsTa. He's completely correct; it's just that everything he said has already been said in this thread a couple dozen times.
He registered in 2007.
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Maybe he's been asleep or under a rock or something.
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Maybe he's been asleep or under a rock or something.
He had his body frozen.
Like Walt Disney.
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He's completely correct
No he isn't; he keeps referring to A7X, even though this has nothing to do with them. If he's going to get all arrogant about his background in psychology, he should probably try getting some facts right before unleashing his "educated opinion" on us. :P
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Uhhh, how does this not have anything to do with Avenged Sevenfold? Mike makes a tweet about doing fun stuff with the band, supposedly gets flak from DT fans for it, bitches, and thus we're discussing it.
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It's clear that it has something to do with A7X! It's been a factor (even if it's a minor one) because he got to see how it feels when I doesn't have the responsabilities he have with DT and I had fun with this band so it helped him to made the final descision I think.
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Are the other guys in DT just not into partying? I can see Myung being a real party animal.
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The guys who are saying "oh, MP wanted to party with AX7" aren't properly taking into account the degree to which MP really didn't want to leave DT.
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Are the other guys in DT just not into partying? I can see Myung being a real party animal.
They actually realize they're in their 40s.
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The guys who are saying "oh, MP wanted to party with AX7" aren't properly taking into account the degree to which MP really didn't want to leave DT.
Definitely, although as Jackie already said, mid-life crisis has (maybe) something to do with these recent events in MP's life. His dad passing away, his own very personality, his relationship with the other DT guys, etc.
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Mike doesn't want to grow up. He's a Toys R Us kid.
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Mike doesn't want to grow up. He's a Toys R Us kid.
This gives some cool ideas for a photoshop. Will do later though, I'm way too tired right now :lol
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It does have at least something to do with A7X. Mike has said already that the tour- along with the TA and Hail tour- made him realize all the fun he was missing with DT. He just feels more energized touring with the other bands.
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So, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Dream Theater may have been Mike's baby, but it was also his job. Any job, including being in a rock and roll band, is still a job, and there is a degree of "obligation resent" even if it's subconscious.
Transatlantic, Hail, Avenged Sevenfold, all those other side projects he's done in the past years... those were all things he wanted to do. For the music, for the fun of it. Going back to "work" (DT) suddenly seemed like a drag, so he asked the guys if maybe they could postpone going back into the studio... and the rest is history.
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It does have at least something to do with A7X. Mike has said already that the tour- along with the TA and Hail tour- made him realize all the fun he was missing with DT. He just feels more energized touring with the other bands.
No he didn't, he said he was already feeling it a year ago before The Rev even died, and was already thinking about an extended hiatus when touring with TransAtlantic.
If you (not just you personally, a few people keep bringing up A7X) want to just assume that he's lying then go ahead, but I'm getting pretty tired of this crap now.
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It does have at least something to do with A7X. Mike has said already that the tour- along with the TA and Hail tour- made him realize all the fun he was missing with DT. He just feels more energized touring with the other bands.
No he didn't, he said he was already feeling it a year ago before The Rev even died, and was already thinking about an extended hiatus when touring with TransAtlantic.
If you (not just you personally, a few people keep bringing up A7X) want to just assume that he's lying then go ahead, but I'm getting pretty tired of this crap now.
I for one am convinced that his decision has nothing to do with A7X. What bothers me is that if it all started a year ago, why in the hell didn't he discuss it with the other guys in DT instead of formulating an ultimatum that has led we now know where?!?!? One whole year to talk things over (even if I'm conscious of the fact that it took him that whole year to be burned out as well). Sad!
B.Lee
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I think MP did take the possibility of an early departure while touring into account; the consequence would have been the cancellation of the remaining concerts, and that would have made the fans even more upset than they are now anyway. Cutting the losses, you know.
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It does have at least something to do with A7X. Mike has said already that the tour- along with the TA and Hail tour- made him realize all the fun he was missing with DT. He just feels more energized touring with the other bands.
No he didn't, he said he was already feeling it a year ago before The Rev even died, and was already thinking about an extended hiatus when touring with TransAtlantic.
If you (not just you personally, a few people keep bringing up A7X) want to just assume that he's lying then go ahead, but I'm getting pretty tired of this crap now.
He said exactly that on Eddie Trunks (I think it was Eddie Trunks). I think you're reading too much into what I'm saying, because all I'm not *blaming A7X* like some are I'm just saying is what Mike said already: That touring with all those other bands this year helped him realize that he needed a break from DT.
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Here it is
Honestly, this all was brewing way before AVENGED SEVENFOLD, but AVENGED SEVENFOLD, the experience with them kind of just opened my eyes a bit, as did the TRANSLATLANTIC tour, and as did the HAIL! shows. It just opened my eyes up to what a fresh relationship can be...
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So, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Dream Theater may have been Mike's baby, but it was also his job. Any job, including being in a rock and roll band, is still a job, and there is a degree of "obligation resent" even if it's subconscious.
Transatlantic, Hail, Avenged Sevenfold, all those other side projects he's done in the past years... those were all things he wanted to do. For the music, for the fun of it. Going back to "work" (DT) suddenly seemed like a drag, so he asked the guys if maybe they could postpone going back into the studio... and the rest is history.
Clear, well-put explanation. Speculating is fun about the details, but I think this is it. Pure and simple.
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Regardless of how long he's been thinking about it, he didn't act on it till now...which so happens to be in the midst of his tenure with A7X. Its hard me for me to honestly believe that this experience hasn't pushed him further in a direction, whether he was already heading down that path or not prior to the turn of events. I think him expecting us to not connect the dots is insulting. We're not stupid.
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I doubt Portnoy is directly lying. I think he has convinced himself of what he is saying, but he sort of gives himself away with comments he has made. On the one hand, he says him leaving DT has nothing to do with A7X, but on the other hand, he says how the personal relations he has had in the bands he has toured with this year, A7X being one of them, are better than the ones he has had in DT. Like what just said in the post above mine, we are not stupid. Connecting the dots is not that difficult. This is not reading too much into things either; this is simply coming to a natural conclusion based on the facts and info we have been privy to.
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I saw Jordan Rudess at PT last night and after talking with him about the show I said that it was unfortunate that Dream Theater was experiencing a rough patch and he very quickly chimed in that he was excited about the future. He said that he thought that, "this is a chance for us to up our game a notch", and overall I truly got the feel that he was not only okay with Mike's leaving but actually somewhat happy about it. While I don't know if that is accurate or shared by the rest of the band that is the impression I got from him.
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I saw Jordan Rudess at PT last night and after talking with him about the show I said that it was unfortunate that Dream Theater was experiencing a rough patch and he very quickly chimed in that he was excited about the future. He said that he thought that, "this is a chance for us to up our game a notch", and overall I truly got the feel that he was not only okay with Mike's leaving but actually somewhat happy about it. While I don't know if that is accurate or shared by the rest of the band that is the impression I got from him.
I definately think that they are excited about the future, and I have been getting the impression that they really aren't dwelling too much on Mike. They've moved on.
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I saw Jordan Rudess at PT last night and after talking with him about the show I said that it was unfortunate that Dream Theater was experiencing a rough patch and he very quickly chimed in that he was excited about the future. He said that he thought that, "this is a chance for us to up our game a notch", and overall I truly got the feel that he was not only okay with Mike's leaving but actually somewhat happy about it. While I don't know if that is accurate or shared by the rest of the band that is the impression I got from him.
That's great to hear, Nick. :tup
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I saw Jordan Rudess at PT last night and after talking with him about the show I said that it was unfortunate that Dream Theater was experiencing a rough patch and he very quickly chimed in that he was excited about the future. He said that he thought that, "this is a chance for us to up our game a notch", and overall I truly got the feel that he was not only okay with Mike's leaving but actually somewhat happy about it. While I don't know if that is accurate or shared by the rest of the band that is the impression I got from him.
Have you met JR enough times that he recognizes you or something?
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That was only my 3rd time meeting Jordan. If I met Portnoy for the 8th time *maybe* he'd recognize me.
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I saw Jordan Rudess at PT last night and after talking with him about the show I said that it was unfortunate that Dream Theater was experiencing a rough patch and he very quickly chimed in that he was excited about the future. He said that he thought that, "this is a chance for us to up our game a notch", and overall I truly got the feel that he was not only okay with Mike's leaving but actually somewhat happy about it. While I don't know if that is accurate or shared by the rest of the band that is the impression I got from him.
That's very interesting to hear. Nice story. :tup
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I saw Jordan Rudess at PT last night and after talking with him about the show I said that it was unfortunate that Dream Theater was experiencing a rough patch and he very quickly chimed in that he was excited about the future. He said that he thought that, "this is a chance for us to up our game a notch", and overall I truly got the feel that he was not only okay with Mike's leaving but actually somewhat happy about it. While I don't know if that is accurate or shared by the rest of the band that is the impression I got from him.
That's very interesting to hear. Nice story. :tup
And I think that JR is not afraid of changes in general at all.
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Yeah. He describes himself as a person who embraces change, actually. For reference, watch the "Change" video on YouTube.
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Just look how he embraces new music-related technology. That's not commun for a man of his age.
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He embraces it alright. Utilizing it to an audibly acceptable level is a completely other story.
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New update from MP's fb/twitter
I am sickened to say that it has come to this: "fans" (cough) that continuously spam my Facebook wall with non-stop "go back to DT" or "F*ck A7X" posts will be removed and reported...I cant believe some of you DT fans are this mean and insensitive...show some class and respect....I'm very disappointed...please re-read my press release and Trunk interview to refresh your short term memories...
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Poor Mike, he obviously cries himself to sleep every night.
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Nothing new or surprising there.
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New update from MP's fb/twitter
I am sickened to say that it has come to this: "fans" (cough) that continuously spam my Facebook wall with non-stop "go back to DT" or "F*ck A7X" posts will be removed and reported...I cant believe some of you DT fans are this mean and insensitive...show some class and respect....I'm very disappointed...please re-read my press release and Trunk interview to refresh your short term memories...
Some guy commented "Shut up Mike, we don't care anymore", I lol'ed.
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*sigh*
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Wait. What's wrong with his post? That kind of activity is stupid and childish. Those posters SHOULD be reported. I don't have any problem whatsoever with that post from MP, and I don't see why anyone would.
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Wait. What's wrong with his post? That kind of activity is stupid and childish. Those posters SHOULD be reported. I don't have any problem whatsoever with that post from MP, and I don't see why anyone would.
My thoughts exactly.
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New update from MP's fb/twitter
I am sickened to say that it has come to this: "fans" (cough) that continuously spam my Facebook wall with non-stop "go back to DT" or "F*ck A7X" posts will be removed and reported...I cant believe some of you DT fans are this mean and insensitive...show some class and respect....I'm very disappointed...please re-read my press release and Trunk interview to refresh your short term memories...
Some guy commented "Shut up Mike, we don't care anymore", I lol'ed.
:lol
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I agree that that kind of activity is very childish, but I do find it a bit LOL-worthy that a guy who embraces the phrase "Eat my ass and balls" would tell other people to be classy.
"Do as I say, not as I do!" :lol :lol
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I agree that that kind of activity is very childish, but I do find it a bit LOL-worthy that a guy who embraces the phrase "Eat my ass and balls" would tell other people to be classy.
"Do as I say, not as I do!" :lol :lol
Well, dude, look, I'm not gonna lie, I think the difference is that this didn't happen:
M. Shadows' phone rings. It's difficult for him, but he answers:
Shadows "Hello?"
Portnoy "Oh my god dude. I heard about The Rev dying, I'm so sorry."
Shadows "Thank you so much for calling. I wasn't sure how much it would have affected you and I-"
Portnoy "Listen man, it's okay. I wanted to tell you something."
Shadows "Yes?"
Portnoy "Eventually this will all get better, and I know how to start."
Shadows "Uh... Yeah?"
Portnoy "EAT MY ASS AND BALLS!!!"
*click*
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What MP needs to understand is that he DID piss off a lot of people with this decision. I'm sure he thought about the repercutions (sp?), but he clearly underestimated the effect of seeing them in writing.
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He made the decision, he must face the consequences of it. As ugly as some of them might be.
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MP should just ignore such posts. They are just making him bad.
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Wait. What's wrong with his post? That kind of activity is stupid and childish. Those posters SHOULD be reported. I don't have any problem whatsoever with that post from MP, and I don't see why anyone would.
This.
But, Mike constantly reacting only invites more trolls.
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What MP needs to understand is that he DID piss off a lot of people with this decision. I'm sure he thought about the repercutions (sp?), but he clearly underestimated the effect of seeing them in writing.
To be honest, anyone who got "pissed off" by the decision should probably get a life.
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Yeah...getting dissapoint and a bit sad is one thing. But being pissed is something else...
And eating oranges is completely a different thing...
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Yeah...getting dissapoint and a bit sad is one thing. But being pissed is something else...
And eating oranges is completely a different thing...
You eat oranges?
That pisses me off so much!
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MP should just ignore such posts. They are just making him bad.
This. The guy needs to understand that some people are just trolling. Also, disappointed with DT Fans in general just because some d-bags want to piss him off? Come on Mike. We all know that you're not like that.
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Also, disappointed with DT Fans in general just because some d-bags want to piss him off? Come on Mike. We all know that you're not like that.
Indeed we do, because he didn't say anything of the sort.
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Wow MP, just shut up. He needs to understand what comes with the territory. It's the internet. You'd think he understand how it works and that he's only provoking more.
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Wow MP, just shut up. He needs to understand what comes with the territory. It's the internet. You'd think he understand how it works and that he's only provoking more.
He should know by now. He's seen this hundreds of times. It's a wonder why he has so much trouble just stepping away.
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Yeah...getting dissapoint and a bit sad is one thing. But being pissed is something else...
And eating oranges is completely a different thing...
You eat oranges?
That pisses me off so much!
Yeah! Fuck oranges, with their pain in the ass skin, and seeds, thinking their all cool and stuff. Wow MP, just shut up. He needs to understand what comes with the territory. It's the internet. You'd think he understand how it works and that he's only provoking more.
He should know by now. He's seen this hundreds of times. It's a wonder why he has so much trouble just stepping away.
Because, there is a part of him that still wants to be with DT, no matter how much he denies it.
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Yeah...getting dissapoint and a bit sad is one thing. But being pissed is something else...
And eating oranges is completely a different thing...
You eat oranges?
That pisses me off so much!
Yeah! Fuck oranges, with their pain in the ass skin, and seeds, thinking their all cool and stuff.
Wow. You guys are sooo immature. I knew you wouldn't understand my choice but hey, I got news for ya: I'm eating it anyways. :corn (just imagine the popcorn is oranges)
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Also, disappointed with DT Fans in general just because some d-bags want to piss him off? Come on Mike. We all know that you're not like that.
Indeed we do, because he didn't say anything of the sort.
Yep.
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First off, It's nice to be back to the DT forums. I haven't been one of the regular posters since the forum was on DTs actual website years ago. I figured this was a good post to get started back up on again.
I haven't read much of the feedback coming from the DT fans about Portnoy's departure, but I certainly have an opinion of my own. To be honest, I haven't listened to the last 2 albums until a few months ago. I must say, they aren't DT's strongest albums for me. Perhaps it's due to the fact that I only gave the albums a couple listens only, but to be blunt without going into too much detail, some of the songs seem to not really go anywhere. Now, I'm not just some troll that's looking to rip on DT for no good reason or anything, if anyone even vaguely remembers me from the previous forum, I've always supported DT, been one of their biggest fans. Hell, I was even at both performances and recordings of Live Scenes from NY and Live and Budokan. Got a couple Metropolis 00 Jerseys, JPM100 in beat to hell from use condition, etc.
Anyway, to make this posting relevant, I'm going to give my two cents on the whole Portnoy leaving thing. I think Mike has the perfect mindset and I only wish the rest of the band would have followed. It's obvious and it came from the horses mouth that Portnoy never wanted to leave DT and he even looks forward to rejoining the band if it feels right again. See, portnoy has put himself in a unique position the rest of the band just doesn't seem to get at the moment. Myung contributes to the song writing occasionally and plays Bass, Petrucci steers the ship a bit as far as lyrics and song writing is concerned and he plays guitar. Jordan likes to play circus music and he's tried with all his might to incorporate that into the bands songs. James drinks a lot of water, takes voice lessons and uses concerts as proving grounds. (I kid, in other more serious words, they are all awesome artists and they have contributed, wrote, recorded and performed brilliantly throughout the years.) I can't imagine DT without these members. MP is no exception. But MP has a sort of oblique and omni directional perspective of band affairs and direction that the rest of the band doesn't really get at the moment. (I wish JP all the luck in the world trying to fill Mike's shoes.)
To simply put, Mike understands the feeling when you've been cramming for something, or writing, drawing, painting or trying to find some sort of inspiration for the longest time to create something, but all you end up doing is stressing yourself and you need to take a step back; a breather, in other words. He knows that through the act of doing nothing can a lot of times lead to the perfect solution. Detaching yourself from what you care most about can sometimes lead to the best result. There's an old romantic proverb that states that and I have no idea where it came from, but it sounds fitting "If you want to keep someone, you've got to be willing to lose them." or, "You don't know what you've really had until you've lost it" I probably butchered those a bit, but I'm sure you get what I'm getting at. In other words, Mike simply wanted some time to reflect. Mike felt it was time to bring things to an indefinite halt until that spark came back. 25 years is a long time to be engaged in something. A couple years is nothing if it means coming back bigger and better than ever with a head full of truly fresh ideas.
Mike knew best where the band has been headed since it's creation. Mike also knows best where the band is going. Unfortunately, it's not going in the direction that it felt it was going after Images and Words, after Awake, after Falling into Infinity, after Scenes from a Memory, etc. I think after the last Dream Theater album, it finally dawned on him that that feeling has faded a bit. Mike doesn't want to make music for the sake of making music. He's always wanted that sense of evolution for the band, that the music would always take the next great direction in it's path of evolution. I think that feeling was lost for him, and it's sort of stuck in a holding pattern. I don't think the other band members see that the way Mike does. After all, Myung still gets to play the Bass, John gets to play the guitar, Jordan keys and James sings. Sure, JP probably has a couple ideas of where to take the band from here and wants to give it a shot, but I think if the band would have taken a break, everyone else in the band would have said to Mike a year or so from now "Damn, this was a really good idea. I understand why you did what you did now. Those ideas that I had when you initially left seemed like shit in comparison to this."
I honestly think this is the best idea for the band. Myung, spend a year just touring the world with your family. Petrucci, buy a Ferrari California, a 64 iPod touch, jam pack it with all that music you've been meaning to listen to and take a year tour of the USA for a year straight. Jordan can play with his keyboards to try and find some more unique sounds. James, take some writing Journals, an acoustic guitar and just disappear for a year and develop a greater sense of writing music. I don't know, just do anything that will ultimately let you one day come to the conclusion "Wholey shite! I have an awesome idea that I never would have thought up before under the constants of the DT machine."
Ok, ranting now. But facts are facts, things aren't going to happen that way. I might be wrong in all of this, but it just feels right. Under the circumstances I hope I'm wrong and DT will just progressively get better and continue to put out awesome albums. We shall see.
-AytheSryche
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Honestly, I wish DT would do exactly what you outlined in the second to last paragraph. But to them, DT is more than just a band, it's a job. They would essentially be losing their revenue for a year.
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Because, there is a part of him that still wants to be with DT, no matter how much he denies it.
He hasn't denied that.
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First off, It's nice to be back to the DT forums. I haven't been one of the regular posters since the forum was on DTs actual website years ago. I figured this was a good post to get started back up on again.
I haven't read much of the feedback coming from the DT fans about Portnoy's departure, but I certainly have an opinion of my own. To be honest, I haven't listened to the last 2 albums until a few months ago. I must say, they aren't DT's strongest albums for me. Perhaps it's due to the fact that I only gave the albums a couple listens only, but to be blunt without going into too much detail, some of the songs seem to not really go anywhere. Now, I'm not just some troll that's looking to rip on DT for no good reason or anything, if anyone even vaguely remembers me from the previous forum, I've always supported DT, been one of their biggest fans. Hell, I was even at both performances and recordings of Live Scenes from NY and Live and Budokan. Got a couple Metropolis 00 Jerseys, JPM100 in beat to hell from use condition, etc.
Anyway, to make this posting relevant, I'm going to give my two cents on the whole Portnoy leaving thing. I think Mike has the perfect mindset and I only wish the rest of the band would have followed. It's obvious and it came from the horses mouth that Portnoy never wanted to leave DT and he even looks forward to rejoining the band if it feels right again. See, portnoy has put himself in a unique position the rest of the band just doesn't seem to get at the moment. Myung contributes to the song writing occasionally and plays Bass, Petrucci steers the ship a bit as far as lyrics and song writing is concerned and he plays guitar. Jordan likes to play circus music and he's tried with all his might to incorporate that into the bands songs. James drinks a lot of water, takes voice lessons and uses concerts as proving grounds. (I kid, in other more serious words, they are all awesome artists and they have contributed, wrote, recorded and performed brilliantly throughout the years.) I can't imagine DT without these members. MP is no exception. But MP has a sort of oblique and omni directional perspective of band affairs and direction that the rest of the band doesn't really get at the moment. (I wish JP all the luck in the world trying to fill Mike's shoes.)
To simply put, Mike understands the feeling when you've been cramming for something, or writing, drawing, painting or trying to find some sort of inspiration for the longest time to create something, but all you end up doing is stressing yourself and you need to take a step back; a breather, in other words. He knows that through the act of doing nothing can a lot of times lead to the perfect solution. Detaching yourself from what you care most about can sometimes lead to the best result. There's an old romantic proverb that states that and I have no idea where it came from, but it sounds fitting "If you want to keep someone, you've got to be willing to lose them." or, "You don't know what you've really had until you've lost it" I probably butchered those a bit, but I'm sure you get what I'm getting at. In other words, Mike simply wanted some time to reflect. Mike felt it was time to bring things to an indefinite halt until that spark came back. 25 years is a long time to be engaged in something. A couple years is nothing if it means coming back bigger and better than ever with a head full of truly fresh ideas.
Mike knew best where the band has been headed since it's creation. Mike also knows best where the band is going. Unfortunately, it's not going in the direction that it felt it was going after Images and Words, after Awake, after Falling into Infinity, after Scenes from a Memory, etc. I think after the last Dream Theater album, it finally dawned on him that that feeling has faded a bit. Mike doesn't want to make music for the sake of making music. He's always wanted that sense of evolution for the band, that the music would always take the next great direction in it's path of evolution. I think that feeling was lost for him, and it's sort of stuck in a holding pattern. I don't think the other band members see that the way Mike does. After all, Myung still gets to play the Bass, John gets to play the guitar, Jordan keys and James sings. Sure, JP probably has a couple ideas of where to take the band from here and wants to give it a shot, but I think if the band would have taken a break, everyone else in the band would have said to Mike a year or so from now "Damn, this was a really good idea. I understand why you did what you did now. Those ideas that I had when you initially left seemed like shit in comparison to this."
I honestly think this is the best idea for the band. Myung, spend a year just touring the world with your family. Petrucci, buy a Ferrari California, a 64 iPod touch, jam pack it with all that music you've been meaning to listen to and take a year tour of the USA for a year straight. Jordan can play with his keyboards to try and find some more unique sounds. James, take some writing Journals, an acoustic guitar and just disappear for a year and develop a greater sense of writing music. I don't know, just do anything that will ultimately let you one day come to the conclusion "Wholey shite! I have an awesome idea that I never would have thought up before under the constants of the DT machine."
Ok, ranting now. But facts are facts, things aren't going to happen that way. I might be wrong in all of this, but it just feels right. Under the circumstances I hope I'm wrong and DT will just progressively get better and continue to put out awesome albums. We shall see.
-AytheSryche
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I'm personally curious how Mike reconciles his own sudden departure with that of Kevin's years earlier. I mean it's been almost 20 years and he hasn't forgiven him for basically pulling the same stunt he is now.
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I'm personally curious how Mike reconciles his own sudden departure with that of Kevin's years earlier. I mean it's been almost 20 years and he hasn't forgiven him for basically pulling the same stunt he is now.
The difference is that Kevin Moore quit DT and hurt mike, in this case DT fired Mike against his will.
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I'm personally curious how Mike reconciles his own sudden departure with that of Kevin's years earlier. I mean it's been almost 20 years and he hasn't forgiven him for basically pulling the same stunt he is now.
The difference is that Kevin Moore quite DT and hurt mike, in this case DT fired Mike against his will.
Exactly.
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Aythesryche, I hate to shit in your cornflakes but I honestly do not think the hiatus was a good idea. Mike had a large hand in all things DT but he wasn't 'in charge', we know from what the band members have all said that they have all contributed to where the band is today, and I seriously disagree with the notion that just because Mike is uninspired that it means everybody in the band is.
Petrucci, LaBrie & Rudess have all said that they are excited for the next album and they have a lot of great ideas. Hell, we know Petrucci is already working on some preliminary stuff, they're going to hold auditions next month. DT is doing fine, and they've been doing better and better every year.
I think a hiatus might actually kill a lot of the momentum they've built up and have the reverse effect. Mike was the only one who wanted that break - remember that all the other band members have ALREADY been on a break for months now. Miek is the only one who hasn't. So for them, they pretty much already did what you suggested and now they're excited to get going again.
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I'm so pissed off that someone shit in someone's cornflakes. What kind of forum is this? First Oranges and now shit-flavored cornflakes.
Back on topic: Should prove interesting how the rest of the year plays out and what comes together for music in the world of all things DT.
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I wouldn't be surprised if MP is also a bit annoyed by the forums' easy acceptance of it and that (at least here) the majority sees it as a positive development.
rumborak
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I wouldn't be surprised if MP is also a bit annoyed by the forums' easy acceptance of it and that (at least here) the majority sees it as a positive development.
rumborak
Of course you wouldn't be surprised, he has stated it directly.
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I'm personally curious how Mike reconciles his own sudden departure with that of Kevin's years earlier. I mean it's been almost 20 years and he hasn't forgiven him for basically pulling the same stunt he is now.
The difference is that Kevin Moore quit DT and hurt mike, in this case DT fired Mike against his will.
What? DT didn't fire Mike. No one, not even Mike has said that. And I don’t think Kevin leaving hurt Mike, except that it put the band in an awkward position at the time. I thought Kevin refusing to talk about DT in interviews and not wanting to perform a reunion song/show with DT live was what annoyed Mike?
I wouldn't be surprised if MP is also a bit annoyed by the forums' easy acceptance of it and that (at least here) the majority sees it as a positive development.
rumborak
Yeah, it's like breaking up with your girlfriend, and then seeing her later on and noticing she got her hair done and lost 10 pounds.
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I wouldn't be surprised if MP is also a bit annoyed by the forums' easy acceptance of it and that (at least here) the majority sees it as a positive development.
rumborak
Of course you wouldn't be surprised, he has stated it directly.
Has he? I mean, I know that his Twitter posts have somewhat alluded to the easy acceptance issue, but I haven't heard anything about him complaining that people see this as a positive development.
rumborak
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@ Cool Chris, I was kidding bro.
@ Rumbortron3000, He asked people to stop talking about how who is going to replace himm, that seems like a positive thing.
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But it is still two different situations...Mike didn't want to leave and Moore did.
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Aythesryche, I hate to shit in your cornflakes but I honestly do not think the hiatus was a good idea. Mike had a large hand in all things DT but he wasn't 'in charge', we know from what the band members have all said that they have all contributed to where the band is today, and I seriously disagree with the notion that just because Mike is uninspired that it means everybody in the band is.
Petrucci, LaBrie & Rudess have all said that they are excited for the next album and they have a lot of great ideas. Hell, we know Petrucci is already working on some preliminary stuff, they're going to hold auditions next month. DT is doing fine, and they've been doing better and better every year.
I think a hiatus might actually kill a lot of the momentum they've built up and have the reverse effect. Mike was the only one who wanted that break - remember that all the other band members have ALREADY been on a break for months now. Miek is the only one who hasn't. So for them, they pretty much already did what you suggested and now they're excited to get going again.
It's cool, I'm not a big fan of cornflakes as they taste rather generic to me. Sort of like cardboard and it leaves me with feeling ripped off all day. I'm sure your shit will enhance the flavor substantially. I like to use a lot of milk in my cereal, too. So, I'm especially looking forward to the part where I get to drink the rest of the brown milk out of the bowl to wash the rest of the cornflakes down. Mmmmn...
But as far as your counterpoint goes, you may be right! I actually hope that's true. But another opinion of mine suggests that both arguments could be true. I know the entire band contributes to the song writing and such, and that's one of the things that makes the band so great. However, just because the rest of the band is still "inspired" doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be any good. It's kinda like the movie Zoo. Mr. Hands was inspired, too. But doesn't necessarily mean his inspiration lead to something good. Now, now... I know what you're saying. Having sex with horses is completely ridiculous and has nothing to do with Dream Theater. This is true. I just like getting my point across in a somewhat outlandish way.
But really, I think we are both onto something here. If they continue the way they are going, maybe they will continue brilliantly! I certainly hope so and I honestly can't imagine anything less from the remaining guys. But also, I think if they would have taken a break, It would have been interesting to see what that would have lead to. Personally, I think it would have been healthy for the band to take that step back for awhile. A lot of great things have happened for a lot of great people by doing just that.
But really, I'm just another fan that has an opinion. Dream Theater knows what's best for Dream Theater hopefully. Regardless of what they end up doing and putting out. I'm definitely excited to hear what's next and I'll give it a thorough listen. MP left, James cut his hair, Myung has spoken more so in the last month than he has in the last 25 years... Shit's changing, just like the seasons. I'm so pumped.
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It's cool, I'm not a big fan of cornflakes as they taste rather generic to me. Sort of like cardboard and it leaves me with feeling ripped off all day. I'm sure your shit will enhance the flavor substantially. I like to use a lot of milk in my cereal, too. So, I'm especially looking forward to the part where I get to drink the rest of the brown milk out of the bowl to wash the rest of the cornflakes down. Mmmmn...
DUDE!
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JM has spoken? Where?
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JM has spoken? Where?
I would like to know as well.
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JM has spoken? Where?
I would like to know as well.
AFAIK, his only words have been with Rich Wilson for an interview he did with the band members about MP's departure for an upcoming issue of Classic Rock Present Prog.
-Marc.
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So, I don't check the forum for a while and when I come back, this has happened??
Damn, never thought Mike would actually quit. It makes sense though (the reasons he gave). I wish the whole band had taken a break, not because Mike wanted it, but just because it could've been a great and glorious thing. But hey, it's not my band.
I'm both excited to see what new stuff they'll come up with but also hesitant. The rest of the band may feel excited, but that doesn't mean it will be any good. It could be another SC - or worse. My only concern is that they follow some kind of formula as to how DT should sound and just simply color the numbers.
It will be interesting to see how all this turns out, to say the least.
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I wouldn't be surprised if MP is also a bit annoyed by the forums' easy acceptance of it and that (at least here) the majority sees it as a positive development.
rumborak
Of course you wouldn't be surprised, he has stated it directly.
Has he? I mean, I know that his Twitter posts have somewhat alluded to the easy acceptance issue, but I haven't heard anything about him complaining that people see this as a positive development.
rumborak
I find that really annoying btw. He's complaining because DT fans aren't broken up enough about him leaving? Sheesh.
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I wouldn't be surprised if MP is also a bit annoyed by the forums' easy acceptance of it and that (at least here) the majority sees it as a positive development.
rumborak
Of course you wouldn't be surprised, he has stated it directly.
Has he? I mean, I know that his Twitter posts have somewhat alluded to the easy acceptance issue, but I haven't heard anything about him complaining that people see this as a positive development.
rumborak
I find that really annoying btw. He's complaining because DT fans aren't broken up enough about him leaving? Sheesh.
I don't see how people fail to see this is a natural human reaction. If you pour your heart and soul into something for 25 years and then people don't care when you leave and are even somewhat excited about it of course you're going to be upset, it's only human. I know it's a poor analogy but if you left DTF and tomorrow we threw a party to celebrate I think you'd be hurt too.
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Changes are part of life. You deal with them, you move on.
Regardless of whose "fault" it is and the circumstances that brought it about, he is obviously taking it pretty hard, and expects his fans to also be crushed by this. Many are, but it seems he's bummed that so many have already moved on, and so quickly. But most of us don't live or die because of some band, or their drummer.
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Mike shouldn't take it personally. The fact is, a faction of fans feel isolated by Dream Theater's most recent output. They naturally blame Mike, because he's one that goes out of his way the most to represent Dream Theater to the fans. Now Mike's leaving. Of course they're going to be excited about it.
I love Mike, and don't feel isolated by the last two records. But I've been trying to be optimisitc. I can see how the band might benefit from a fresh perspective.
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I don't see how people fail to see this is a natural human reaction. If you pour your heart and soul into something for 25 years and then people don't care when you leave and are even somewhat excited about it of course you're going to be upset, it's only human. I know it's a poor analogy but if you left DTF and tomorrow we threw a party to celebrate I think you'd be hurt too.
But how long did he expect this grief period to last? It's been three weeks and for most people the news has come and they've chosen to embrace it however they wanted and have accepted it. He didn't die or anything and there are four other capable members of the band. From what I'm gathering many people's interest in seeing what the band can release now that they're pretty much forced to prove they can handle themselves without a founding member is greater than any sadness they have had or might still have for Mike leaving.
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Haven't seen anyone post this, yet... JOHN MYUNG on MP leaving.
Everybody is still a little shocked over Mike Portnoy's decision to leave the band. What are your thoughts? Did you see this coming? Do you wish some sort of compromise could have been worked out?
"I can't say I saw it coming. And of course, nobody likes conflict. Dream Theater works best as a creative unit, and it's not going to be easy to find a replacement and have somebody we can really bond with.
"I'd say the general band vibe is positive. We're looking for the right guy, and I'm sure we'll find that person."
More so than any other member, you're bound to be impacted by a new drummer - after all, the rhythm section is the bedrock of a group. Are you excited to play with somebody new?
"I'd say we're all impacted, because we all interact with the rhythms. So this isn't going to affect me more than anybody else, really. Creatively, the Dream Theater process has always been extremely collaborative - there's always been plenty of input from everybody - so when working with somebody new, we're going to have to look for those common ground points that we have. A new member will be influential, no doubt. Hopefully, new directions will open up. I think it can be cool."
It has been suggested that Mike may change his mind in a year or so, that he might want to rejoin. If so, would you welcome him back with open arms, or do you see this as a necessary, clean break?
"Anything is possible. But right now, the band is focused on finding a new member to get in the studio with. We want to make a great record that we're happy with and have a great next tour. That's what we do, and that's what we're looking at."
Full interview here... https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/john-myung-on-being-named-greatest-bassist-of-all-time-this-is-very-heavy-280465
"There's always been plenty of input from everybody." There should really be more interviews with JM. He's a satisfied man. Loves his job.
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Hopefully JM will do more interviews in the future. It's nice to read his thoughts!
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Wow, thanks for that, Rob! Always great to hear what JM has to say, especially about this whole situation.
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I really enjoyed reading that interview, and it shows what a down-to-earth guy JM actually is. Also, I find it very nice that he still loves listening to his early influences and seeing them in concert.
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I would be extremely weary thinking about joining DT, only for Mike to realise he has made a terrible mistake (which is definitely the case) to then be allowed back into the band. Extremely weary.
I think it's awesome how DT have decided to move on against Mike's wishes. But whether or not they can remain as a unit without him is yet to be determined.
One thing is for sure. I don't have to listen to his growls anymore. That can only be a positive thing.
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I give that interview 4 thumbs up :tup :tup :tup :tup
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I don't see how people fail to see this is a natural human reaction. If you pour your heart and soul into something for 25 years and then people don't care when you leave and are even somewhat excited about it of course you're going to be upset, it's only human. I know it's a poor analogy but if you left DTF and tomorrow we threw a party to celebrate I think you'd be hurt too.
But how long did he expect this grief period to last? It's been three weeks and for most people the news has come and they've chosen to embrace it however they wanted and have accepted it. He didn't die or anything and there are four other capable members of the band. From what I'm gathering many people's interest in seeing what the band can release now that they're pretty much forced to prove they can handle themselves without a founding member is greater than any sadness they have had or might still have for Mike leaving.
You also have to consider that most fans are DT fans first and foremost, as opposed to being a Portnoy fan first, so most didn't want to see the band take the hiatus that Portnoy was wanting the band to take.
In other words, had Portnoy left for a different reason, one that didn't include him wanting to take a break, the reaction from a lot of fans might have been different, but given the way it went down, a lot of fans are simply like, "It sucks that he is gone, but we want new music from the band ASAP, so bring on the new drummer and let's get it on!"
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I would be extremely weary thinking about joining DT, only for Mike to realise he has made a terrible mistake (which is definitely the case) to then be allowed back into the band. Extremely weary.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but "weary" doesn't mean what you probably think it means.
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Wow, cool to hear JMX's thoughts.
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I would be extremely weary thinking about joining DT, only for Mike to realise he has made a terrible mistake (which is definitely the case) to then be allowed back into the band. Extremely weary.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but "weary" doesn't mean what you probably think it means.
I think he means "inconceivable".
rumborak
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:lol
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/demotivator/Thatword.jpg)
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I would be extremely weary thinking about joining DT, only for Mike to realise he has made a terrible mistake (which is definitely the case) to then be allowed back into the band. Extremely weary.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but "weary" doesn't mean what you probably think it means.
I think he means "inconceivable".
rumborak
[ignoring reference]I think he means "wary."[/ignoring reference]
(I know we'd probably all already figured that out. I just felt like it might've needed saying. Then again maybe I should just stop being such a hectoring busybody.)
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I would be extremely weary thinking about joining DT, only for Mike to realise he has made a terrible mistake (which is definitely the case) to then be allowed back into the band. Extremely weary.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but "weary" doesn't mean what you probably think it means.
:lol I'm guessing he means "wary" but I'm more concerned that he believes that Mike has definitely made a "terrible mistake".
Ninja'd by robwebster, but whatever
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Rob, thanks for the link.
I think that man needs to write some lyrics. Maybe JR can write some music and James can sing JM's answers!
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"Music is about life; it's about putting your living into your music. So first, one must live."
I think I'm in love. But damn, Asians are so ugly.
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Wow, cool to hear JMX's thoughts.
I give that interview 4 thumbs up :tup :tup :tup :tup
JM is a humble man. Great interview!
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"Music is about life; it's about putting your living into your music. So first, one must live."
He already wrote a song about learning to live
:neverusethis: :splodetard: :neverusethis: :splodetard: :neverusethis: :splodetard:
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Wow, JMX surely knows what to talk when he does an interview. :tup
Also in replacement of Mike's growls, DT will now have Auto-tuned Petrucci to do the backing vocals :P
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But damn, Asians are so ugly.
uncalled for, mr orbert.
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But damn, Asians are so ugly.
uncalled for, mr orbert.
You know Orbert is Asian, right? :lol
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jfk's voice: nevertheless. :)
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Yeah, I forgot about all the new folks around here, especially since MP's big announcement.
I suppose it's offensive either way. Originally I had something like "I love JM and want to have his babies, but he's so ugly" but that's so cliché. So is joke racism, though. I suck. :P
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So far, the other guys have been very positive about MP's departure, sort of. They're all sad but express optimism at the same time. True feelings or just good PR?
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Mike's latest tweet is a prime example of why he's sucked at handling his departure around the fans.
Basically, paraphasing here, he posts a link to a video and says "ignore the fuckwad comments."
If he hadn't failed at linking properly, guess what I would have looked at first?
I know Mike's always described himself as a control freak, but he's gotta understand the internet can't be controlled.
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You also have to consider that most fans are DT fans first and foremost, as opposed to being a Portnoy fan first
This. Obviously it's sad to see him go, but we're DT fans. Obviously we're glad that our favorite band is going to keep going, and we're going to look for the silver lining. It would have been true with pretty much any major change to the band.
The overly negative comments are uncalled for, but someone really needs to tell him that calling internet trolls 'fuckwits' isn't really the best way to get them to stop.
On another note, that's a great interview with JMX. Always interesting to get his perspective.
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Awesome interview. :tup
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I would be extremely weary thinking about joining DT, only for Mike to realise he has made a terrible mistake (which is definitely the case) to then be allowed back into the band. Extremely weary.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but "weary" doesn't mean what you probably think it means.
:lol I'm guessing he means "wary" but I'm more concerned that he believes that Mike has definitely made a "terrible mistake".
Yes, wary. I was very tired before lol!
As for his terrible mistake, well, how can you deny that being a DT fan? He has left a very well respected band, in their later years, after 10 albums and 25 years........to join Avenged Sevenfold. Sure, we can debate whether that is the exact scenario all day long. But that's how it looks. And that's where he finds himself now. That's how the average DT fan will see it.
Even if I wasn't a DT fan, I would call that a mistake.
I mean, let's be serious, he has completely destroyed what credibility he once had by upsetting the fans like this. People have every right to be upset, confused, angry. Mike should learn to deal with these things. Would I call him a sellout? Nah, I don't think so. He's a human being who has made a decision. And in my honest opinion - it's the wrong one. He will feel the gravity of his decision soon enough. Mark my words on that. That's if he's not feeling it right now, which some of his recent comments might illustrate.
If DT's 11th album is simply mindblowing - there might be some bad blood and bitter comments being formed. And I hope this isn't the case. Because I do think Mike has a massive ago.
I personally don't hold any grudges. DT can and will be better off without Portnoy. So it's win-win as far as i'm concerned.
But i'd like to hear why you, yourself, have quoted me on this and obviously see things different. I can't get my head around a fellow DT fan thinking he's not made a mistake. So i'd love ot hear your opinion.
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:splodetard: I HATE THAT SMILEY lol.
I always stare at it for 30 seconds and wait for it to explode before scrolling down.
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I was reading Lifting Shadows today. The chapter about Train of Thought first paragaph of the chapter. It talks about how the band wanted to take a break, but they needed to keep a steady income. Anyone else read that in the book and just find it interesting concerning what's happened now. Not necessarily money concerns though, just the band wanting to take a break.
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I was reading Lifting Shadows today. The chapter about Train of Thought first paragaph of the chapter. It talks about how the band wanted to take a break, but they needed to keep a steady income. Anyone else read that in the book and just find it interesting concerning what's happened now. Not necessarily money concerns though, just the band wanting to take a break.
I don't have the book... at what point did they want to take a break? After the World Tourbulence tour? Because it seems they only took 4 months off before heading into the studio to start writing TOT. If that was the case, it seems like they'll be doing the same thing again, if not a bit longer (well, end of July to the middle of January - a little over 5 months - seems about average to me between the end of a tour and the start of new recording sessions).
-Marc.
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Yeah, after World Tourbulence. They wanted to take a break for awhile, can't remember if they said how long. However, they said that it wasn't financially smart. Rick Solomon convinced them to record a new album
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Yeah, after World Tourbulence. They wanted to take a break for awhile, can't remember if they said how long. However, they said that it wasn't financially smart. Rick Solomon convinced them to record a new album
Interesting. I guess the band didn't want to repeat that mistake again and risk seeing what a break would do to the band. Was the idea to take a break a unanimous decision back then, or was it brought up by one or two members?
-Marc.
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Does anyone remember MP saying JLB has absolutely no input in writing the music?
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I don't think he attended the writing sessions for BC&SL.
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Can you imagine how Mike would feel if by some bizarre turn of events, the next DT album is huge and they start headlining stadiums? He'd be all like :facepalm:.
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That's my hope, in spite of all this.
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I would be extremely weary thinking about joining DT, only for Mike to realise he has made a terrible mistake (which is definitely the case) to then be allowed back into the band. Extremely weary.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but "weary" doesn't mean what you probably think it means.
:lol I'm guessing he means "wary" but I'm more concerned that he believes that Mike has definitely made a "terrible mistake".
Yes, wary. I was very tired before lol!
As for his terrible mistake, well, how can you deny that being a DT fan? He has left a very well respected band, in their later years, after 10 albums and 25 years........to join Avenged Sevenfold. Sure, we can debate whether that is the exact scenario all day long. But that's how it looks. And that's where he finds himself now. That's how the average DT fan will see it.
Even if I wasn't a DT fan, I would call that a mistake.
The problem with that line of thinking is that it presumes that playing with Avenged Sevenfold is somehow "worse" than playing with Dream Theater. He's been with DT for 25 years and has 10 albums with them. So what? Avenged Sevenfold has five albums in 10 years. Does this make them less worthy or something?
Suppose Mike was a founding member of a band that released 10 albums in 25 years that most people consider nothing more than generic crap rock, then he has a chance to play with a band that in less than 10 years has released five albums that have totally redefined rock music and picked up dozens of awards from critics and fans alike. Would that definitely be a good move?
The only way you can say whether it's a good or bad move is to consider the relative merits of each band. That might be in terms of popularity, record sales, how much money they make (all related but not the same thing) or anything else one might use to "rank" the bands. A true artist does not consider any of that at all; he thinks about what kind of music he wants to make.
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Yes, all that is true, but I will keep saying this until we hear something different about Mike and A7X: Comparing Mike in DT to Mike "in" A7X is premature because he is, at present, only a temporary member, and there is no real evidence at the moment that he "left DT for A7X."
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BUT HIS CAR IS PARKED IN FRONT OF A7X'S HOUSE EVERY NIGHT ;_;
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:lol
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Man..... Im speechless, but not shocked. It was a helluva good run. DT was the driving force in my life for 16 years. It will be interesting to see what DT becomes... but I don't think it will ever be close to being the same....but I seriously hope that I'm wrong.
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Man..... Im speechless, but not shocked. It was a helluva good run. DT was the driving force in my life for 16 years. It will be interesting to see what DT becomes... but I don't think it will ever be close to being the same....but I seriously hope that I'm wrong.
You serious?
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I would be extremely weary thinking about joining DT, only for Mike to realise he has made a terrible mistake (which is definitely the case) to then be allowed back into the band. Extremely weary.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but "weary" doesn't mean what you probably think it means.
:lol I'm guessing he means "wary" but I'm more concerned that he believes that Mike has definitely made a "terrible mistake".
Yes, wary. I was very tired before lol!
As for his terrible mistake, well, how can you deny that being a DT fan? He has left a very well respected band, in their later years, after 10 albums and 25 years........to join Avenged Sevenfold. Sure, we can debate whether that is the exact scenario all day long. But that's how it looks. And that's where he finds himself now. That's how the average DT fan will see it.
Even if I wasn't a DT fan, I would call that a mistake.
The problem with that line of thinking is that it presumes that playing with Avenged Sevenfold is somehow "worse" than playing with Dream Theater. He's been with DT for 25 years and has 10 albums with them. So what? Avenged Sevenfold has five albums in 10 years. Does this make them less worthy or something?
Suppose Mike was a founding member of a band that released 10 albums in 25 years that most people consider nothing more than generic crap rock, then he has a chance to play with a band that in less than 10 years has released five albums that have totally redefined rock music and picked up dozens of awards from critics and fans alike. Would that definitely be a good move?
The only way you can say whether it's a good or bad move is to consider the relative merits of each band. That might be in terms of popularity, record sales, how much money they make (all related but not the same thing) or anything else one might use to "rank" the bands. A true artist does not consider any of that at all; he thinks about what kind of music he wants to make.
You make a fair comment. It's not an easy subject to talk about. Especially considering we don't know the politics behind DT and MP's own personal tastes.
I just hope there isn't any bad blood when/if DT make an amazing 11th album without him. If this happens and all the fan reaction starts coming in, I wouldn't be suprised if Mike started coming out with some daft comments. He has made his decision and needs to move on. As do DT.
Like I said earlier, i'd be wary becoming the new drummer for DT. If Mike is allowed back in, say, 5 years time. That would be a horrible situation for the drummer to be put in. And depending on the music quality, I would lose a ton of respect for DT if they went down this road.
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Man..... Im speechless, but not shocked. It was a helluva good run. DT was the driving force in my life for 16 years. It will be interesting to see what DT becomes... but I don't think it will ever be close to being the same....but I seriously hope that I'm wrong.
You serious?
His statement is fair. Many of us have concerns about the band being able to produce good material, do all the things that MP did for the band. That being said, I am still excited about the future of DT, just with alot of caution.
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my hope is that when this thread hits 2112, MP will come back
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Man..... Im speechless, but not shocked. It was a helluva good run. DT was the driving force in my life for 16 years. It will be interesting to see what DT becomes... but I don't think it will ever be close to being the same....but I seriously hope that I'm wrong.
You serious?
His statement is fair. Many of us have concerns about the band being able to produce good material, do all the things that MP did for the band. That being said, I am still excited about the future of DT, just with alot of caution.
JP and JR were the main writers of the band anyway.
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my hope is that when this thread hits 2112, MP will come back
What I thought of when I read this:
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit.
:rollin
-Marc.
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BUT HIS CAR IS PARKED IN FRONT OF A7X'S HOUSE EVERY NIGHT ;_;
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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BUT HIS CAR IS PARKED IN FRONT OF A7X'S HOUSE EVERY NIGHT ;_;
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
God I missed that! :lol
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So I hear mike is starting a new band with Jason Newstead, Kevin Moore and Marty Freedman called "yea? Well we don't need you anyway!"
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"I'm still trying to find out where this guy came from. Give it up for mr. Mike Portnoy"
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If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit.
(https://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/starfox-slippy-baby9000.jpg)
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Oh Slippy, you heartless whore of a frog.
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If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit.
(https://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/starfox-slippy-baby9000.jpg)
Only UP TO 9000? Damn...
-Marc.
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Man..... Im speechless, but not shocked. It was a helluva good run. DT was the driving force in my life for 16 years. It will be interesting to see what DT becomes... but I don't think it will ever be close to being the same....but I seriously hope that I'm wrong.
You serious?
Well... that's how I'm feeling. MP did all those lil extras that made DT so accesable, the DVD's...Bootlegs...setlists...etc. DT is also has some huge shoes on the Kit to fill. One of the best things DT had was their chemistry. What will a new DT look like? A band that puts out an album every 3-4 years... then a tour with a 1.5 hour show? Or will someone pick up MP's "Drive" and continue as they have been?
** on a side note.... I meant too say that DT has been the driving MUSICAL force in my life for the last 16 years...... :lol
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So I hear mike is starting a new band with Jason Newstead, Kevin Moore and Marty Freedman called "yea? Well we don't need you anyway!"
I heard that too. MP and KM are going to write all the music together, somehow, without actually speaking to each other.
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Man..... Im speechless, but not shocked. It was a helluva good run. DT was the driving force in my life for 16 years. It will be interesting to see what DT becomes... but I don't think it will ever be close to being the same....but I seriously hope that I'm wrong.
You serious?
Well... that's how I'm feeling. MP did all those lil extras that made DT so accesable, the DVD's...Bootlegs...setlists...etc. DT is also has some huge shoes on the Kit to fill. One of the best things DT had was their chemistry. What will a new DT look like? A band that puts out an album every 3-4 years... then a tour with a 1.5 hour show? Or will someone pick up MP's "Drive" and continue as they have been?
** on a side note.... I meant too say that DT has been the driving MUSICAL force in my life for the last 16 years...... :lol
As John Petrucci has stated, they have had and will always have managers to actually do all of those things. Sure, Mike played a huge role in Ytse Jam records, but it's been stated that it won't stop. Also, the band wanted to record in jan, so much so that portnoy quit, why in gods name would that make you think they'll do less? Also why would they play shorter shows? If MP was in charge if all as you claim, then he is the one who decided against doing longer shows for the past few years.
Also, I'd have to say the chemistry was becoming boring and predictable. A huge change will hopefully be good.
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I hope you're right about the chemistry.... you very well could be. Maybe it's a case of other members being held back in a sense due too Mike's overwhelming drive. Nothing against Mike... But maybe the direction will freshen up a bit like you say. Will the management due all the Bootlegs? Custom setlists? All those things Mike did? Again.... I sure hope so. Seeing I just heard this news today, the question that pops into my mind foremost is.... who can fill MP's shoes on the kit???
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I hope you're right about the chemistry.... you very well could be. Maybe it's a case of other members being held back in a sense due too Mike's overwhelming drive. Nothing against Mike... But maybe the direction will freshen up a bit like you say. Will the management due all the Bootlegs? Custom setlists? All those things Mike did? Again.... I sure hope so. Seeing I just heard this news today, the question that pops into my mind foremost is.... who can fill MP's shoes on the kit???
The setlists? The band can easily do that. It's not really as much work as some of you seem to think it is. You just need a database of previous tours, which is easy to find.
Also, as far as the bootlegs go....well, a nice break from them is good. We don't need a dvd of every tour, and I'm sure they'll continue on some level. And yes, that is what management is for.
As far as their chemistry goes, just being together that long and knowing the other people SO well, it can easily get stale. A new guy, would change all of that.
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Could someone please post a link to James' radio interview on Used Bin Radio from 9-28-10? Thanks!!!
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Could someone please post a link to James' radio interview on Used Bin Radio from 9-28-10? Thanks!!!
https://purerockradio.org/podcast/?p=1634
Just found it, so I have no idea how far in the actual interview is.
Edit: Okay, it starts about 13 minutes in.
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JP and JR were the main writers of the band anyway.
Something many people tend to forget and glaze over. MP's loss won't impact the music as much as it'll impact the attention to detail.
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Big thanks TL!! Here is what I ascertained so far (its a LONG interview and I need to finish listening):
"already have several drummers lined up for auditions"
"auditions start in about two weeks"
OFF TOPIC: US/Canada tour in support of Static Impulse the works Nov 26 - Dec (FIST PUMP!)
oh, and I think "Shit Fling Circus" should be the name of the 11th album. (jk)
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I suggest we talk about JLB's interview in its thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17037.0
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Jamming some System Of A Down tonight...great stuff...see, sometimes a hiatus does indeed make the heart grow fonder...just sayin... : )
about 2 hours ago via web
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I interpret that as insecurity with his decision.
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It's kinda becoming unbearable how MP cannot cope with his own decision. He always has to say a thing to show HE was RIGHT with the hiatus thing. Move on, dude!
B.Lee
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It's kinda becoming unbearable how MP cannot cope with his own decision. He always has to say a thing to show HE was RIGHT with the hiatus thing. Move on, dude!
B.Lee
I hate to admit it, but I kinda agree with this
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Jamming some System Of A Down tonight...great stuff...see, sometimes a hiatus does indeed make the heart grow fonder...just sayin... : )
about 2 hours ago via web
And then he wonders why does he receive so much shitstorm. Dude, you're baiting the trolls!
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Is he moving backwards through the stages of grief? It seems he's gone from anger and reverted back to denial. Is he under the impression that he never quit now?
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Is he moving backwards through the stages of grief? It seems he's gone from anger and reverted back to denial. Is he under the impression that he never quit now?
Well, it seems he's really convinced himself he never did, but that he was sort of fired. I just can't imagine his reaction when the guys in DT will announce the new drummer and he will see "his" place taken.
B.Lee
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Either:
Mike Mangini, the drummer of Dream Theater? Damn, I never thought you could spell "Portnoy" that wrong.
Or:
*censored* this! I'm *censored* *censored* and *censored*! *CENSORED BIG TIME*!!!
(Yeah, I just couldn't think of something more original. Sorry.)
Or it'll be just a comment that he's a sad panda.
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I have lost quite a bit of respect for MP since this all went down.
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I have lost quite a bit of respect for MP since this all went down.
I will say that as much as I love Mike, his whining on his site and Facebook about people picking on him for leaving DT is weak. He should know after 20 years as a musician in the public eye that fans will be fans. They pay his bills so he should shut up and let them vent, imho.
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Well what the hell did he expect? everyone to be totally cool about it, but at the same time not mention a word about his replacement or DT without him?
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I have lost quite a bit of respect for MP since this all went down.
I will say that as much as I love Mike, his whining on his site and Facebook about people picking on him for leaving DT is weak. He should know after 20 years as a musician in the public eye that fans will be fans. They pay his bills so he should shut up and let them vent, imho.
I tend to agree with this, a bit.
Although, he must be gutted about how the comments on his page are possibly even less good natured than the average youtube comment, whereas JP's page is flooded with happy people being optimistic.
Still! Fans will be fans. They don't pay his bills any more, but he's been in the business for 25 years now, and communicated with his fanbase for a huge portion of that. He's surprised by how disappointed they all are, but I'm a bit disappointed by how surprised he is. Not entirely shocked, necessarily, but he definitely comes across as the one who's most struggling to handle it. Although he does have more to handle, he could be a bit more gentlemanly about it. Rather than wanting to change the world, he seems to be more of a person who wants the world to change around him.
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Well, I'm not holding it against him.
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Oh no! Definitely not. He's one man in a difficult situation. It'd be ridiculous to expect perfection out of him at any time, let alone in what must be a fairly stressful chapter of his career - and moreso for him than for the other guys.
But it's natural to hope, and it's natural to be a smidge disappointed when stuff doesn't go so smoothly. It's nice to have him whizzing around being a superhero, and to be able to forget that he's just another guy - albeit one with an extraordinary job.
...or an extraordinary CV, anyway.
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Oh no! Definitely not. He's one man in a difficult situation. It'd be ridiculous to expect perfection out of him at any time, let alone in what must be a fairly stressful chapter of his career - and moreso for him than for the other guys.
But it's natural to hope, and it's natural to be a smidge disappointed when stuff doesn't go so smoothly. It's nice to have him whizzing around being a superhero, and to be able to forget that he's just another guy - albeit one with an extraordinary job.
...or an extraordinary CV, anyway.
Yeah, I just cannot join in the MP bashing. Even though I'm excited about the "new" Dream Theater. Hey, they're my favorite band. MP's been a fan's dream. He owes me nothing. Just because he "chose" to leave doesn't make him immune to feeling bad or hurt by people going "fuck 'im". No one has EVER worked harder to make their fans as happy as MP. I'm 42 years old and have been a rock fan since I was 12 (9 if you count Kiss..haha) and MP has been the most gracious and thoughtful "rock star" that I have ever experienced.
Sure, he'd do himself a favor and get off the computer, but I'm taking everything he says during this period with a grain of salt. I'm sure it's tough for him to see people being so easily dismissive of his hard work. Whether he asked for it or not, I'm cutting him a break on this.
-TAC.
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Lets face reality. Mike played a hand of poker with his mates. He bluffed, and they called him on it. He didn't in his wildest dreams believe this would happen, but guess what... Mike found out the world doesn't revolve around him. He wanted to be bigger then the sum of his parts and when his band objected he was thrown for a loop. Sure he is angry. He has quite an ego and its been turned upside down. He wanted to have his affair and now his future is in his hands. Mike without Dream Theater is something he doesn't want as much as the fans, and that's why he can't handle it. Mike is my favorite Dream Theater member(or was?) but his whining does not work for me. He made his choice, and this is what comes with it. Maybe he can cry on the shoulders of some Avenged fans because Dream Theater fans have a right to say what they will as fans.
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I understand that Tick, I don't really disagree with it, but my fogey-dom tells me to let it go..
And yes, he was easily hands down my favorite memeber of Dream Theater. It wasn't even close. I'm as bummed as anyone here on DTF, believe me. I AM excited for the new Dream Theater. But I am very bummed that MP will not be part of it.
But all this.."I'm losing respect" garbage..sorry, I can't go there.
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I understand that Tick, I don't really disagree with it, but my fogey-dom tells me to let it go..
And yes, he was easily hands down my favorite memeber of Dream Theater. It wasn't even close. I'm as bummed as anyone here on DTF, believe me. I AM excited for the new Dream Theater. But I am very bummed that MP will not be part of it.
But all this.."I'm losing respect" garbage..sorry, I can't go there.
I respect, Mike, totally. I'm just saying as a guy who is the same age he is, his dealing with this is a bit cringe worthy. I will always be a Mike fan, although not with AV7.
I'm just giving my honest opinion. Mike is just a guy, and he has feelings like anyone else. I just think he needs to temper his emotions because the world is watching him.
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Lets face reality. Mike played a hand of poker with his mates. He bluffed, and they called him on it. He didn't in his wildest dreams believe this would happen, but guess what... Mike found out the world doesn't revolve around him.
This is really the best analogy I've seen about this whole thing.
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I'm still really on the fence about this whole issue. When he first left, I was like "that's exactly what I was saying, you guys need to take a break and re-focus," but after a while, I started thinking about how maybe a lot of the newer negative aspects of their music came from him.
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I just don't get why he posts things like that. He knows what he is doing and than acts shocked when people call him out on it.
Like mentioned before, he is having a tough time with his decision. It also definately hurts him to see the other DT members moving on and being happy about the future.
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Here's a thought: maybe he just likes all the attention.
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Honestly, someone close to Portnoy, whether it be his wife, another family member or close friend, needs to get in his ear and tell him to knock off the snarky comments he seems to be making every few days; they are only making him look bad, and it is like he doesn't even realize it.
I can't say I am surprised by the way he is acting, as I have been a very outspoken critic at times over the years of Portnoy (not the musician, but the man) but it is still kind of sad to see. By all accounts, the four remaining members of Dream Theater have all handled this with the utmost class and respect. Unlike Mike Portnoy.
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And your not alone there, Kev. In contrast, as someone who's defended Portnoy countless times on these forums from criticism that's come from you and posters who share your opinion, I'm basically at a loss. Portnoy has finally reached the level where I can't defend him without also defending immature behavior from whiney celebrities everywhere.
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He needs to write a song about this like Lindsay Lohan did. Not the same situation but equally dumb. Sorry Mike............. No offense.
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He needs to write a song about this like Lindsay Lohan did. Not the same situation but equally dumb. Sorry Mike............. No offense.
I'm sure he'll eventually be in a band and he'll cover Never Enough and dedicate it to DT.
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Oh no! Definitely not. He's one man in a difficult situation. It'd be ridiculous to expect perfection out of him at any time, let alone in what must be a fairly stressful chapter of his career - and moreso for him than for the other guys.
But it's natural to hope, and it's natural to be a smidge disappointed when stuff doesn't go so smoothly. It's nice to have him whizzing around being a superhero, and to be able to forget that he's just another guy - albeit one with an extraordinary job.
...or an extraordinary CV, anyway.
Yeah, I just cannot join in the MP bashing. Even though I'm excited about the "new" Dream Theater. Hey, they're my favorite band. MP's been a fan's dream. He owes me nothing. Just because he "chose" to leave doesn't make him immune to feeling bad or hurt by people going "fuck 'im". No one has EVER worked harder to make their fans as happy as MP. I'm 42 years old and have been a rock fan since I was 12 (9 if you count Kiss..haha) and MP has been the most gracious and thoughtful "rock star" that I have ever experienced.
Sure, he'd do himself a favor and get off the computer, but I'm taking everything he says during this period with a grain of salt. I'm sure it's tough for him to see people being so easily dismissive of his hard work. Whether he asked for it or not, I'm cutting him a break on this.
-TAC.
well said
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I get what you are saying, Tac. The problem is that he is the only one bitching around every time he can. Isn't that childish of him? Yet, i also get that the remaining members of DT get nothing but positive fedeback, hence MP's reaction maybe. Now, let's see how things will turn out when they announce the new drummer. Unfortunately, I expect ugly things from the man. I hope I'm wrong, though...
B.Lee
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Jamming some System Of A Down tonight...great stuff...see, sometimes a hiatus does indeed make the heart grow fonder...just sayin... : )
about 2 hours ago via web
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Oh no! Definitely not. He's one man in a difficult situation. It'd be ridiculous to expect perfection out of him at any time, let alone in what must be a fairly stressful chapter of his career - and moreso for him than for the other guys.
But it's natural to hope, and it's natural to be a smidge disappointed when stuff doesn't go so smoothly. It's nice to have him whizzing around being a superhero, and to be able to forget that he's just another guy - albeit one with an extraordinary job.
...or an extraordinary CV, anyway.
Yeah, I just cannot join in the MP bashing. Even though I'm excited about the "new" Dream Theater. Hey, they're my favorite band. MP's been a fan's dream. He owes me nothing. Just because he "chose" to leave doesn't make him immune to feeling bad or hurt by people going "fuck 'im". No one has EVER worked harder to make their fans as happy as MP. I'm 42 years old and have been a rock fan since I was 12 (9 if you count Kiss..haha) and MP has been the most gracious and thoughtful "rock star" that I have ever experienced.
Sure, he'd do himself a favor and get off the computer, but I'm taking everything he says during this period with a grain of salt. I'm sure it's tough for him to see people being so easily dismissive of his hard work. Whether he asked for it or not, I'm cutting him a break on this.
-TAC.
I'm completely with you TAC, I don't really know why people find it so hard to understand how upset he is and thus how dickish some of his comments come across as, when really he's just venting.
Also the "we pay his bills" argument is rubbish. No we don't, we buy the products because we want them, not because we want the band members to have money. By that argument, surely we pay the bills of every employee of every company we buy products from?
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Oh no! Definitely not. He's one man in a difficult situation. It'd be ridiculous to expect perfection out of him at any time, let alone in what must be a fairly stressful chapter of his career - and moreso for him than for the other guys.
But it's natural to hope, and it's natural to be a smidge disappointed when stuff doesn't go so smoothly. It's nice to have him whizzing around being a superhero, and to be able to forget that he's just another guy - albeit one with an extraordinary job.
...or an extraordinary CV, anyway.
Yeah, I just cannot join in the MP bashing. Even though I'm excited about the "new" Dream Theater. Hey, they're my favorite band. MP's been a fan's dream. He owes me nothing. Just because he "chose" to leave doesn't make him immune to feeling bad or hurt by people going "fuck 'im". No one has EVER worked harder to make their fans as happy as MP. I'm 42 years old and have been a rock fan since I was 12 (9 if you count Kiss..haha) and MP has been the most gracious and thoughtful "rock star" that I have ever experienced.
Sure, he'd do himself a favor and get off the computer, but I'm taking everything he says during this period with a grain of salt. I'm sure it's tough for him to see people being so easily dismissive of his hard work. Whether he asked for it or not, I'm cutting him a break on this.
-TAC.
I'm completely with you TAC, I don't really know why people find it so hard to understand how upset he is and thus how dickish some of his comments come across as, when really he's just venting.
Also the "we pay his bills" argument is rubbish. No we don't, we buy the products because we want them, not because we want the band members to have money. By that argument, surely we pay the bills of every employee of every company we buy products from?
The fans are why is where he is financially. That is just a fact.
Mike is angry because the band is happy about there future. Ok, I understand that. They didn't kick him out, he left. He wanted them to put there careers on hold indefinitely and they choose not to. That makes them the bad guys? I sure don't think so.
Has anyone considered for a moment the other members of DT have feelings too? Don't you think it bothered them to see Mike taking on so many projects he was completely energized publicly about? They pay attention to what he says. They recognized he was more excited by his side work then DT. No one has really brought this perspective to the table.
They have feelings just like Mike and when he doing his thing playing huge festivals with AV7, you don't think they feel a little slighted or maybe even jealous?
The bottom line is, take into account they way they may have been feeling about Mike's extracurricular stuff and how they probably felt when he said, hey I'm not into this band right now, why doesn't everyone wait around and amuse themselves with other things until I am.
Why are they bad guys in anyone's eyes but not wanting to do that? They want Dream Theater to work in 2011. These guys are not young anymore and you can't get time back. Not to mention a year off can really loose you some of your fan base.
I am just saying to those who want to just give Mike a pass for his anger your wrong in doing so, but its your right to. Just remember though there are two sides to every story and it seems the silence in the Dream Theater camp shows me what class acts they are overall.
In closing. I am not bashing Mike, I'm offering my perspective. I still love the guy and support his career.(away from AV7, which I can't stomach, and wont)
I watched Score last night and it made me sad.
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I don't really know why people find it so hard to understand how upset he is and thus how dickish some of his comments come across as, when really he's just venting.
Because he's choosing to vent via a public social networking site. Isn't he a little, uh, old for that?
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Oh no! Definitely not. He's one man in a difficult situation. It'd be ridiculous to expect perfection out of him at any time, let alone in what must be a fairly stressful chapter of his career - and moreso for him than for the other guys.
But it's natural to hope, and it's natural to be a smidge disappointed when stuff doesn't go so smoothly. It's nice to have him whizzing around being a superhero, and to be able to forget that he's just another guy - albeit one with an extraordinary job.
...or an extraordinary CV, anyway.
Yeah, I just cannot join in the MP bashing. Even though I'm excited about the "new" Dream Theater. Hey, they're my favorite band. MP's been a fan's dream. He owes me nothing. Just because he "chose" to leave doesn't make him immune to feeling bad or hurt by people going "fuck 'im". No one has EVER worked harder to make their fans as happy as MP. I'm 42 years old and have been a rock fan since I was 12 (9 if you count Kiss..haha) and MP has been the most gracious and thoughtful "rock star" that I have ever experienced.
Sure, he'd do himself a favor and get off the computer, but I'm taking everything he says during this period with a grain of salt. I'm sure it's tough for him to see people being so easily dismissive of his hard work. Whether he asked for it or not, I'm cutting him a break on this.
-TAC.
I'm completely with you TAC, I don't really know why people find it so hard to understand how upset he is and thus how dickish some of his comments come across as, when really he's just venting.
Also the "we pay his bills" argument is rubbish. No we don't, we buy the products because we want them, not because we want the band members to have money. By that argument, surely we pay the bills of every employee of every company we buy products from?
The fans are why is where he is financially. That is just a fact.
Mike is angry because the band is happy about there future. Ok, I understand that. They didn't kick him out, he left. He wanted them to put there careers on hold indefinitely and they choose not to. That makes them the bad guys? I sure don't think so.
Has anyone considered for a moment the other members of DT have feelings too? Don't you think it bothered them to see Mike taking on so many projects he was completely energized publicly about? They pay attention to what he says. They recognized he was more excited by his side work then DT. No one has really brought this perspective to the table.
They have feelings just like Mike and when he doing his thing playing huge festivals with AV7, you don't think they feel a little slighted or maybe even jealous?
The bottom line is, take into account they way they may have been feeling about Mike's extracurricular stuff and how they probably felt when he said, hey I'm not into this band right now, why doesn't everyone wait around and amuse themselves with other things until I am.
Why are they bad guys in anyone's eyes but not wanting to do that? They want Dream Theater to work in 2011. These guys are not young anymore and you get get time back. Not to mention a year off can really loose you some of your fan base.
I am just saying to those who want to just give Mike a pass for his anger your wrong in doing so, its your right to. Just remember though there are two sides to every story and it seems the silence in the Dream Theater camp shows me what class acts they are overall.
In closing. I am not bashing Mike, I'm offering my perspective. I still love the guy and support his career.(away from AV7, which I can't stomach, and wont)
I watched Score last night and it made me sad.
This is the most level-headed response i've read on this topic so far.
Here's my opinion - I couldn't care less that Mike is gone.
Most people will call me a lesser fan because of that. But I don't care about the average DT fan either. Most DT fans are so narrow-minded it's unbelievable. (from what i've seen on this forum, that is not really the case - a very open-minded forum) But at gigs, and in person, i've seen some truly idiotic fans who think they some how have this 'advanced' opinion on music purely because they are DT fans. It's quite annoying in fact.
The fact that DT are willing to accept a change, makes me excited to hear their new music. And I think it will be new. I thank Mike for the memories, but i've always been under the impression he had a major influence in their overall sound. And i've found DT's last 3 albums to be a little stale. (with some great songs, mind)
This is an exciting time to be a DT fan. Mike made his decision, and while I think it's an awful decision on his part, we should atleast respect that he is a human being, free to make choices. Good luck to him, and good luck to DT - who I hope have many years left making music.
As for Mike's comments. Well, i'm no psychologist, but it's obvious to me he's experiencing the gravity of his decision already. That's just the way things go in life. Actions have consequences. It's just not going to be a pretty sight when a new drummer is announced and new music is made available to the fans. I think he has too much pride to admit he made a mistake (if indeed this is truly the case) but either way, he should learn to get on with it.
How many times in our lives have we realised we've made mistakes, and simply moved on? We all go through it. Mike just probably needs to keep his mind occupied, and away from the backlash of angry DT fans.
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Tick, like I said, I'm not really disagreeing with you. Personally, it's not my place or I'm not comfortable busting his balls.
I've seen all the tweetpics and stuff. He doesn't look all that upset to me...but my original point is that I'm cutting him some slack right now.
You know, we want our rock stars to communicate with us...until we don't like what we hear. MP's giving us all this info so we don't have to wait for Lifting Shadows Volume f##king 15!
We can't have it both ways. I love Dream Theater so for me It's not a MP vs DT thing.
For me, I can only support MP. It's the least I can do after all of these years of giving me the greatest musical ride of my old life.
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I don't really know why people find it so hard to understand how upset he is and thus how dickish some of his comments come across as, when really he's just venting.
Because he's choosing to vent via a public social networking site. Isn't he a little, uh, old for that?
his postings deserve to be in the pathetic status thread... That's what pisses me off.
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Tick, nowhere did he make the rest of the band out to be be "bad guys". Your reaction is as strong as MPs, and you don't even have anything to do with the band.
Just chill out already.
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For me, I can only support MP. It's the least I can do after all of these years of giving me the greatest musical ride of my old life.
You know, for me, it's completely the opposite. it's not because he's been givig us so many things that i feel obliged to support him. Yet, I don't pay into the "we pay his bills" at all either, because as Ariich stated, i's not the case. As a fact, I respect his decision, but he simply has to get over it.
B.Lee
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Has anybody seen this yet? Sorry if it has already been posted. Interesting MP comment at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Y3dV9gu24
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Has anybody seen this yet? Sorry if it has already been posted. Interesting MP comment at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Y3dV9gu24
so MP wanted to put DT on hold to finish A7X tour?
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Not surprised, but its nice to get some confirmation.
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It's incredible. He wanted to put his MAIN band on hold to finish the tour with A7X?!?!? It's the world upside down. No wonder the guys answered his request in the negative.
B.Lee
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Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking too. If MP is upset about the situation, he has nobody to blame but himself.
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Tick, nowhere did he make the rest of the band out to be be "bad guys".
Now you're just straight up selectively ignoring things. Yeah he didn't flat out say it but the way he's worded explanations and reacted to how the fans have felt it's definitely implied and very bluntly.
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Must be one of those things where it's not what was said, but how it was said.
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Tick, nowhere did he make the rest of the band out to be be "bad guys".
Now you're just straight up selectively ignoring things. Yeah he didn't flat out say it but the way he's worded explanations and reacted to how the fans have felt it's definitely implied and very bluntly.
Absolutely, not to mention the fact that I think tick worded his posts in a respectful enough manner.
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Tick, nowhere did he make the rest of the band out to be be "bad guys".
Now you're just straight up selectively ignoring things. Yeah he didn't flat out say it but the way he's worded explanations and reacted to how the fans have felt it's definitely implied and very bluntly.
Absolutely, not to mention the fact that I think tick worded his posts in a respectful enough manner.
Thank You. I appreciate that. I didn't appreciate ariich telling me to "just chill out already."
Really? Chill out? That was way more disrespectful then anything I wrote in any post.
The purpose of a fan board is to discuss topics pertaining to the band, hopefully in a respectful way. That is the way I try to present the things I say. They are my feelings on the topic. If you can do that respectfully you achieve the purpose of a fan board.
I see no really to be told to chill out. That to me is quite offensive.
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I'm sorry you find "chill out" to be so offensive, but I suggest you cool off before this conversation gets any more heated.
We chill?
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I have lost quite a bit of respect for MP since this all went down.
I will say that as much as I love Mike, his whining on his site and Facebook about people picking on him for leaving DT is weak. He should know after 20 years as a musician in the public eye that fans will be fans. They pay his bills so he should shut up and let them vent, imho.
Tick, we are not hoping for respectful discussion of DT members, current and former, we demand it as part of the rules and frankly a post like this is not at all respectful to Portnoy and you should not be shocked when someone who is enforcing the rules takes exception to this style of posting. You can either tone down your comments a bit or you can stop posting about this here.
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Tone it down? His post was fine. The harshest thing he said is that Portnoy should "shut up" about fans not acting a specific way.
That's against the rules? Really?
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I have lost quite a bit of respect for MP since this all went down.
I will say that as much as I love Mike, his whining on his site and Facebook about people picking on him for leaving DT is weak. He should know after 20 years as a musician in the public eye that fans will be fans. They pay his bills so he should shut up and let them vent, imho.
Tick, we are not hoping for respectful discussion of DT members, current and former, we demand it as part of the rules and frankly a post like this is not at all respectful to Portnoy and you should not be shocked when someone who is enforcing the rules takes exception to this style of posting. You can either tone down your comments a bit or you can stop posting about this here.
Well since that is how I feel and its not acceptable I will refrain for speaking about it any further.
and yes Adami, the chill out seemed unnecessary, but now I clearly see that my thoughts of that nature pushed the boundaries of respect to Mike, so I won't say anymore. I don't want to break the rules or be an idiot and I apologize to the powers that be if I did.
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Tone it down? His post was fine. The harshest thing he said is that Portnoy should "shut up" about fans not acting a specific way.
That's against the rules? Really?
Really?
Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.
Frankly that post is quite belittling and quite disrespectful and a change in tone would go a long way to making it better. We're dealing with an obvious delicate and emotional situation here, use some tact and err on the side of respectful conversation, I don't think that's too much to ask.
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I have lost quite a bit of respect for MP since this all went down.
I will say that as much as I love Mike, his whining on his site and Facebook about people picking on him for leaving DT is weak. He should know after 20 years as a musician in the public eye that fans will be fans. They pay his bills so he should shut up and let them vent, imho.
Tick, we are not hoping for respectful discussion of DT members, current and former, we demand it as part of the rules and frankly a post like this is not at all respectful to Portnoy and you should not be shocked when someone who is enforcing the rules takes exception to this style of posting. You can either tone down your comments a bit or you can stop posting about this here.
Well since that is how I feel and its not acceptable I will refrain for speaking about it any further.
and yes Adami, the chill out seemed unnecessary, but now I clearly see that my thoughts of that nature pushed the boundaries of respect to Mike, so I won't say anymore. I don't want to break the rules or be an idiot and I apologize to the powers that be if I did.
I thank you for understanding. Please understand no one is trying to silence you, we simply want the conversation to remain respectful to both Mike and the band.
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I completely, 100 percent agree with tick on this. Twitter is not an outlet for grown men to complain about how angsty they feel, regardless of celebrity status. I'm sorry if ya'll disagree, but I really think MP is just attention seeking with some of this stuff.
Except, to keep it respectful, I'm asking that Portnoy simply "be quiet" rather than "shut up." ;)
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Frankly that post is quite belittling and quite disrespectful and a change in tone would go a long way to making it better. We're dealing with an obvious delicate and emotional situation here, use some tact and err on the side of respectful conversation, I don't think that's too much to ask.
Well rules is rules but to call "shut up" belittling is a little, I dunno, kindergarten? To spin tick's post in any sort of negative light is a bit unfair considering how restrained it was, IMO.
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Tick's comments on this MP saga have been some of the best I have read. They all come across as:
"Here's a guy who genuinely loves DT and MP, but right now, he is calling it like he sees it, and he sees Portnoy handling the situation poorly"
I love you guys, ariich and Nick, but even if tick technically crosses the line by saying MP should "shut up", you gotta recognize there is no harm intended, and anyone who reads his entire posts will recognize that.
Your "chill out" comments, ariich, and your mini-warning, Nick, are unjust and kind of silly, methinks.
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Guys, I don't know if you're being deliberately difficult or just not getting it, but we're quite obviously not just talking about the phrase 'shut up'. The whole tone was disrespectful and quite rude about MP. I'm not saying it was intended that way, it's not like I issued a warning or anything, but that's how it came across.
Besides, I thought reading things into other things and making arbitrary assumptions is standard fare for this thread. I fail to see how "chill out x" is anything close to "x is so whiny and should just shut up".
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The whole tone was disrespectful and quite rude about MP.
Honestly-- and I hope you don't take this as me being deliberately difficult, 'cuz I like to think I'm a pretty straight shooter when it comes to disagreements and stuff, even though I'll admit I haven't always been that way-- I didn't get that impression from tick's post at all. Especially judging by posts tick has made recently in other threads. What I see here is exactly what ToX said: tick's a true, diehard DT fan calling it like he sees it, even though it's tough for him to do so and even though it hurts to admit his recent disappointments with Mike. I feel exactly the same way. As someone who's defended Mike's creative control, songs like "Never Enough," and even Mike's vocals on these forums plenty of times, I really am facing the same problem tick is right now. It makes it doubly hard for me, since I think Mike is doing GREAT in A7X and am actually excited about the type of music he's producing with them.
Actually, I'm getting more the feeling that you just don't like all the speculation, mostly based on things you've said in the past (both in this thread and in other places) and because in this case some speculation will naturally lead toward a negative way of viewing the whole situation.
In fact, I think I shall start referring to you as DTF's resident "hater of all speculation." ;)
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=147085
AVENGED SEVENFOLD's MIKE PORTNOY Meets THE REV's Family For First Time
As far as I know, Mike hasn't joined A7X full-time and he posted the same thing to his Twitter some time ago already.
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I don't think Tick was being out of line there.... Had he said "shut the fuck up" it would have been a whole different argument. I mean, technically hes right. The only way MP will get the trolls to stop, is if he stops himself. He's not going to do that by chilling out, he going to do that by shutting up. I don't understand what wrong with what he said.
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I don't think Tick was being out of line there.... Had he said "shut the fuck up" itbwould have been a whole different argument. I mean, technically he right. The only way MP will get the trolls to stop, is if he stops himself. He's not going to do that by chilling out, he going to do that by shutting up. I don't understand what wrong with what he said.
Well spoken.
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While Tick's comments were , in my opinion, OK, I think Ariich may have been quick to songle out tick, but I applaud him for it as it really speaks to the general tone of this thread. I posted a defense type of post in favor of MP. I had been meaning to do so for about a week. Everyone needs to cut MP a break. If it weren't for him, we wouldn't be here.
I'm all for thoughtful discussion, but when it comes to negativity, just cuz we can doesn't always mean we should.
Ariich may have used tick as the example. But this thread needed to be redirected.
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Lets face reality. Mike played a hand of poker with his mates. He bluffed, and they called him on it. He didn't in his wildest dreams believe this would happen, but guess what... Mike found out the world doesn't revolve around him. He wanted to be bigger then the sum of his parts and when his band objected he was thrown for a loop. Sure he is angry. He has quite an ego and its been turned upside down. He wanted to have his affair and now his future is in his hands. Mike without Dream Theater is something he doesn't want as much as the fans, and that's why he can't handle it. Mike is my favorite Dream Theater member(or was?) but his whining does not work for me. He made his choice, and this is what comes with it. Maybe he can cry on the shoulders of some Avenged fans because Dream Theater fans have a right to say what they will as fans.
I think you make valid points, Mike was totally shocked that they didn't just go along with his break idea, athought I kind of believe it could have been a good idea for the band. As it turns out the break is taking place. it is just a break from Mike. Which I also think could be a good thing. I still beleive in less then two years we will have the whole team back together.
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I appreciate those who understand I was not trying to disrespect Mike. I am a huge Mike Portnoy fan and that's why I get upset at the fact I feel he is embarrassing himself in his tweets and such. Am I allowed to say that?
Mike wears his heart on his sleeve. I can relate to that. Right now though knowing full well his is going to get a mixed bag of support and criticism, he should probably take a hiatus from so much social media.
I have not heard him say anything about the people who have given him there total support in all this? Where are the tweets thanking all the fans that have totally had his back? There are probably half that have been positive and supportive.
If those tweets are out there I have not read them? All I keep seeing is his displeasure with the fans that refuse to understand. I cringe every time I read one of them. He needs to, and should understand after all these years, there is nothing he can do about that but take the high road and say nothing. Letting it all blow over will be so much easier if he chooses to remain silent. Every time he voices his displeasure with the disgruntled part of his fan base it creates another firestorm.
I understand people like TAC who will cut him slack at this time. I get it, and I respect it. I just feel different, and that is what I am trying to convey in constructive fashion.
I guess if I had said be quiet instead of shut up, my post would have been better received.
The absolute truth is I am such a huge fan that its silly how much his departure bothers me. I need to get over it. I respect rules and the people here who uphold them. I get fired up and passionate when I discuss things that matter to me. Its like how people get fired up when there favorite sports team loses. In the grand scheme its not life or death but when you have a passion for something you tend to take it more serious then it needs to be taken.
I will try and choose my words more carefully in the future and I hope this post stayed within the boundaries of the rules.
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In fact, I think I shall start referring to you as DTF's resident "hater of all speculation." ;)
:lol Yeah. Well, no I don't hate it as such, and sometimes it can be quite fun, but in more controversial cases it can be annoying and ultimately ends up with people basing their opinions on speculation, and other people finding it hard to even distinguish between speculation and reality.
The only way MP will get the trolls to stop, is if he stops himself.
This I agree with, him making comments unfortunately just fuels the trolls. That wasn't the issue that I have with tick or anyone else's posts. And TAC is absolutely right, I didn't mean to single out tick because he isn't a major culprit at all, his just happened to be the most recent post of that kind when I made my remarks. But I can completely appreciate how it probably looked like I was having a go at him specifically, so I apologise for that.
My problem is the fact that Mike has always been like this. He is very open and public about how he is feeling at any given time. If someone doesn't like that about him, fair enough, each to their own, but why would anyone "lose respect" for someone when he is the same way he always is. Why is it ok for us to be open about how we feel about the situation but not him? Why is it ok for the rest of the band to be open about how they feel but not him? Is it because they are optimistic and he is feeling sad, and if so then why should that make a difference?
The silly thing is, Mike himself gets annoyed at people misinterpreting what he says and reading things into his comments that simply aren't there. So when people continue to do it more and more, especially when he's obviously hurting about the situation, then I can't help but feel sorry for the guy.
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My problem is the fact that Mike has always been like this. He is very open and public about how he is feeling at any given time. If someone doesn't like that about him, fair enough, each to their own, but why would anyone "lose respect" for someone when he is the same way he always is.
This is a valid point. I, for one, began to lose respect not for that particular situation but a while ago because, precisely, I was fed up with his openness and "publicity" (for lack of a better word). It's begun to be too much for my taste and I'm not sad he left since he was the one I liked the least in the band. Hence my negative view of all his twits and comments that come up so often.
B.Lee
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BTW, there were more chicks in that youtube clip with Steve Moore backstage than in all the DT clips combined! :lol
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The only way MP will get the trolls to stop, is if he stops himself.
This I agree with, him making comments unfortunately just fuels the trolls.
The problem with this attitude is that it is assumes that anyone and everyone who criticizes him and his comments is a troll. That probably isn't what you mean, but that is how it comes across.
The silly thing is, Mike himself gets annoyed at people misinterpreting what he says and reading things into his comments that simply aren't there. So when people continue to do it more and more, especially when he's obviously hurting about the situation, then I can't help but feel sorry for the guy.
Eh, when he says something like, "Jamming some System Of A Down tonight...great stuff...see, sometimes a hiatus does indeed make the heart grow fonder...just sayin...," that kind of passive-aggressive approach to the situation by him is obviously gonna make some wonder what he means by that. I think he does that on purpose. That way, he can make his snarky comments, while hiding behind the, "I didn't say anything direct; some fans are reading into things too much," line. He is not stupid. He knows what he is saying.
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Maybe it's my English, maybe I'm just stupid, but what exactly does he mean by that tweet? Like how does jamming SOAD imply that a hiatus makes the heart grow fonder? Fonder of what?
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Everything about that tweet suggests that he is simply defending/justifying his reasoning for what happened. If someone said he was getting a bit defensive, then sure, I'd agree with them somewhat. But to insist that he making a jab at the rest of the band is another thing entirely.
Good point about my wording though, obviously I didn't mean that all criticism = trolling. I was referring to people who go onto his own facebook page and forum to have a go at him.
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But we're not them.
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But we're not them.
Exactly! I've stopped caring for MP the day he left DT. See, I don't post on his forum anymore and will never go see his facebook.
B.Lee
BTW, I completely agree with you, KevSHmev : he perfectly knows what he's doing and is doing all this on purpose! He's not stupid, but we're not either. And I don't think that's reading too much...
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I've stopped caring for MP
I did not. I don't like how he's acting but who never did anything stupid? And he's still a great musician -- hell, listen to the drums on your favorite DT album!
This is not to defend his behavior on social networks. I really hate to see this happening and can't stop marveling at how excellently the other members are handling the situation.
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I've stopped caring for MP
I did not. I don't like how he's acting but who never did anything stupid? And he's still a great musician -- hell, listen to the drums on your favorite DT album!
This is not to defend his behavior on social networks. I really hate to see this happening and can't stop marveling at how excellently the other members are handling the situation.
Maybe I didn't express myself well : I stopped caring a long time ago, precisely because I think his playing had become stale. The whole "incident" was only the last straw. Look! I'm a DT fan, not a MP fan. I've never listened to anything he's done outside DT because I'm not interested.( BTW, only JLB has kept me into DT for that matter). And it's not because I will go listen to my favorite DT tracks that this will change my opinion. Sorry...And yes, the other members are taking all this with an extraordinary calm.
B.Lee
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But we're not them.
I don't recall implying that you were. ???
And yes, the other members are taking all this with an extraordinary calm.
Yes, because they are optimistic about what is going to happen. It's easy to be calm when you still have your band, have got back to your routine and don't have any uncertainty. The two situations are not comparable.
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I don't feel sorry for MP at all. He made a choice and now he has to live with that choice. I would tend to feel more sorry for the remaining members. DT doesn't revolve around just one guy. It's a team effort and one guy shouldn't have the power to bring everything to a screeching halt. I commend the remaining members for being steadfast in their resolve to move on.
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But we're not them.
I don't recall implying that you were. ???
And yes, the other members are taking all this with an extraordinary calm.
Yes, because they are optimistic about what is going to happen. It's easy to be calm when you still have your band, have got back to your routine and don't have any uncertainty. The two situations are not comparable.
An analogy if I may...
If everyone in a company wants to work except one employee who wants them all to take an indefinite vacation so he could work for other company's for awhile till he feels like joining the other employees, is that company wrong for not accepting that?
I understand Mike was burned out on Dream Theater at this time and wants to do other things, but you have to realize in life you can't always have your cake and eat it too. Life is full of tough choices. You make them and you have to live with your decisions.
It seems his angst comes from the fact that 4 out of 5 people saw things another way.
I get the sense Mike feels that after 20+ years working in a band he co founded and worked his ass off for, for all of those years, he was entitled to have his request granted. A valid feeling indeed. He has a right to feel slighted. He has done the lions share of work in this band and is a big reason they got where they are today. I wholeheartedly believe that.
If it were me I would be pissed off as well, and might say the same types of things he is out of the hurt and a frustration that after all my hard work I had earned my request.
I think that another source of anger, could be feeling under appreciated by the fans for all your hard work and all you have given of yourself for them.
but the reality is the clock ticking on all there careers, and taking a year off after the failure and disappointment of Prog nation 09 and the subsequent canceling of the Black Clouds tour, I could understand the other guys feeling its vital for them to rebound from it in 2011.
A year off for a band like Dream Theater could do a lot of damage in a career that has steadily picked up more and more steam every year recently.
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But we're not them.
I don't recall implying that you were. ???
You said that the people that comment on his Facebook and such were what you'd call trolls (I'd tend to agree) but the way you're reacting to some people's posts, which are worded about as completely opposite of those "troll posts" as you can get, it seems like you're treating them as one in the same. Tell tick to chill out for a post like his is coming across as telling us not to say anything that might be construed as negative. Considering none of us are going to go off on some "FUCK YOU PORTNOY YOU TRAITOR" type rant it seems a bit unfair.
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I wasn't referring to you guys at all, I was talking about them in relation to Portnoy's reactions to them, which is a large part of what we were discussing. As far as I know, Portnoy hasn't said anything negative about the rest of the band, nor about the fanbase in general. His only complaint has been about people trolling his facebook and forum, which I think is completely justified.
Anything beyond that, such as how he supposedly is pissed off with the rest of the band, is mere speculation.
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Back on the topic of MP's departure:
Tick, you made an amazing point with the poker analogy. It sums up the situation perfectly.
MP met with the guys. He thought if he threatened to leave DT, they would have no choice but to go on an indefinite hiatus like he wanted. But he never thought in a million years they would, instead, opt to go on without him.
Huge blow to his ego, and it makes perfect sense why it has resulted in so many passive-aggressive, snarky remarks via facebook, twitter and his website.
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You guys think that MP has viewed this thread?
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You guys think that MP has viewed this thread?
I feel sorry for him if he has. The amount of stating speculation as fact is through the roof in this thread.
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To me, MP has always seemed like he's comfortable in his own skin. He's his own man. A self-made man, so why would he even care what other people think? Regardless if it's true or not. This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time. He knows the truth and that's all that should matter to him.
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You guys think that MP has viewed this thread?
I feel sorry for him if he has. The amount of stating speculation as fact is through the roof in this thread.
You feel sorry for him if he has? Really? Maybe it would be therapeutic because its at least most of this stuff said with tact. It would be a good thing if he knew what some true fans who really care think and not the mindless spamming trolls with no real point of view.
When your feeling sorry for Mike, keep in mind he is having a pretty good life as we speak. He is out having a ball with AV7 and really doesn't require anyone to feel sorry for him. Mike Portnoy has it pretty damn good right now. Lets try and keep that in mind.
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Frankly, ariich, you mean to answer every negative remark about MP? Wow! Good luck! Because, honestly, I don't think it will ever change the way some of us see things right now.
B.Lee
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
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That's not what I meant and I think you know that. I never said it was ok to do so. It's a plain fact and that's all I meant.
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No, I don't know that. I see that kind of thing posted all the time as if it's a free pass for people to act however they feel like acting, and it's honestly pretty annoying.
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To me, MP has always seemed like he's comfortable in his own skin. He's his own man. A self-made man, so why would he even care what other people think? Regardless if it's true or not. This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time. He knows the truth and that's all that should matter to him.
MP has always seemed to have thin-skin when it comes to criticism.
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
Replace "Oh, it's the internet!" with "Oh, it's a free country!". Same mentality, as far as I'm concerned :p
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
Why is it not OK to do so? Fans speculating about their favorite bands is like almost as old as rock n' roll itself.
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
Why is it not OK to do so? Fans speculating about their favorite bands is like almost as old as rock n' roll itself.
I think bosk was talking about trolling more than speculating.
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
Replace "Oh, it's the internet!" with "Oh, it's a free country!". Same mentality, as far as I'm concerned :p
and which country are you talking about. not everyone here is posting from the U.S.
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
Replace "Oh, it's the internet!" with "Oh, it's a free country!". Same mentality, as far as I'm concerned :p
and which country are you talking about. not everyone here is posting from the U.S.
Well, consider that the phrase "Free Country" is most associated with the USA, it isn't that hard to figure out that's where I'm from :p
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You guys think that MP has viewed this thread?
I feel sorry for him if he has. The amount of stating speculation as fact is through the roof in this thread.
I really don't, at all. This thread is perfectly fine in terms of attitude, and I've seen Mike talk much worse shit about his own personal idols in interviews and videos that I've seen talked about him here. I wonder if the guys from Metallica, Rush, Queensryche, etc, ever read his comments on their output in the 90s? His general attitude during that period was something along the lines of "_____ used to make good music but now they really fucking suck, but don't worry, because we're making the kind of music they used to make."
But, anyway, without getting too off topic, I'm thinking maybe Mike's initial "whiny" comments were directed more toward the Facebook fans and 5/8. I hadn't checked 5/8 for months until last night, but the thread about him leaving there is just plain tasteless. As most things there are I guess.
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To me, MP has always seemed like he's comfortable in his own skin. He's his own man. A self-made man, so why would he even care what other people think?
As comfortable as he may be with himself, it's Never Enough.
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You guys think that MP has viewed this thread?
I feel sorry for him if he has. The amount of stating speculation as fact is through the roof in this thread.
I really don't, at all. This thread is perfectly fine in terms of attitude, and I've seen Mike talk much worse shit about his own personal idols in interviews and videos that I've seen talked about him here. I wonder if the guys from Metallica, Rush, Queensryche, etc, ever read his comments on their output?
But, anyway, without getting too off topic, I'm thinking maybe Mike's initial "whiny" comments were directed more toward the Facebook fans and 5/8. I hadn't checked 5/8 for months until last night, but the thread about him leaving there is just plain tasteless. As most things there are I guess.
If he's not checked out this thread, he's definitely not checked out 5/8. I doubt it's on his radar. This place probably is.
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Mke doesn't really read this forum, but he is certainly aware of 5/8's existence.
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Mke doesn't really read this forum, but he is certainly aware of 5/8's existence.
Christ. Really?
Poor guy. If I knew I had a congregation of lapsed fans, I'd be so morbidly curious all the time.
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
Replace "Oh, it's the internet!" with "Oh, it's a free country!". Same mentality, as far as I'm concerned :p
and which country are you talking about. not everyone here is posting from the U.S.
Well, consider that the phrase "Free Country" is most associated with the USA, it isn't that hard to figure out that's where I'm from :p
you missed the point, of course i assumed you were from the US, but im sure many of the posters and trolls on the internet are not all from the US, where there isnt necessarily free speech.
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Yeah bosk, didn't you say when you met Mike and told him who you were he thought you were from 5/8 at first?
If so, the whole way he says DT "fan sites" so disapprovingly makes a little bit more sense.
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
Replace "Oh, it's the internet!" with "Oh, it's a free country!". Same mentality, as far as I'm concerned :p
and which country are you talking about. not everyone here is posting from the U.S.
Well, consider that the phrase "Free Country" is most associated with the USA, it isn't that hard to figure out that's where I'm from :p
you missed the point, of course i assumed you were from the US, but im sure many of the posters and trolls on the internet are not all from the US, where there isnt necessarily free speech.
No, I got that, I was just pointing out that kind of mentality isn't restricted to the internet.
Anyway, aren't Britian's laws regarding free speech similar to those of US though?
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No, I don't know that. I see that kind of thing posted all the time as if it's a free pass for people to act however they feel like acting, and it's honestly pretty annoying.
Ok, then let me try to clarify it for you. There are idiots in the world that cause nothing but trouble. It's a fact of life. It can't be completely stopped. Of course there is no excuse for acting like that, but people do anyway. Not just on the internet, but everywhere in the media. Now, people who are famous (or semi famous) have to decide how they will deal with it. They can either decide to let it bother them or they can simply ignore it and move on.
What I said doesn't give people a free pass to do anything like that. I was simply stating a fact that we all have to decide how we'll deal with it. If what I said was against the rules, then I apologize. But, in no way was I condoning that kind of behavior. Now can we move on from this? No harm, no foul. :)
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This is the internet. People speculate and troll all the time.
Comments like this don't fly with me. Just because people do speculate and troll doesn't mean it's okay to do so. "Oh, it's the Internet!" isn't a free pass to behave like an idiot.
Replace "Oh, it's the internet!" with "Oh, it's a free country!". Same mentality, as far as I'm concerned :p
and which country are you talking about. not everyone here is posting from the U.S.
Well, consider that the phrase "Free Country" is most associated with the USA, it isn't that hard to figure out that's where I'm from :p
you missed the point, of course i assumed you were from the US, but im sure many of the posters and trolls on the internet are not all from the US, where there isnt necessarily free speech.
No, I got that, I was just pointing out that kind of mentality isn't restricted to the internet.
Anyway, aren't Britian's laws regarding free speech similar to those of US though?
not sure, i dont know most European country's laws too well, though i know they have similar ones to US's. it's just that the internet is unregulated and whos to say what country should take charge and instill laws with using it? but i think this is way off topic and would be good to continue in another thread.
anyway, im with a lot of people here and think he should stay off the computer for a while. i havent lost respect for him or anything, i will continue to see what he does in the future as he is one of the more creative musicians around today. he's in a difficult situation, sure he kind of brought it on himself, but whatever, shit happens...
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Yeah bosk, didn't you say when you met Mike and told him who you were he thought you were from 5/8 at first?
Yes, and it triggered perhaps the only time in recent history where Neal Morse appeared ready to jump over an autograph table and beat somebody up. :lol But, yeah, his perception of what goes on here is heavily tainted by complete misinformation he got back when Itchy shut down DT.net. Or at least it was. In what limited time I had to talk to him, I think I was able to somewhat set the record straight. But it was clear he didn't really know much about this forum at the time.
No, I don't know that. I see that kind of thing posted all the time as if it's a free pass for people to act however they feel like acting, and it's honestly pretty annoying.
Ok, then let me try to clarify it for you. There are idiots in the world that cause nothing but trouble. It's a fact of life. It can't be completely stopped. Of course there is no excuse for acting like that, but people do anyway. Not just on the internet, but everywhere in the media. Now, people who are famous (or semi famous) have to decide how they will deal with it. They can either decide to let it bother them or they can simply ignore it and move on.
What I said doesn't give people a free pass to do anything like that. I was simply stating a fact that we all have to decide how we'll deal with it. If what I said was against the rules, then I apologize. But, in no way was I condoning that kind of behavior. Now can we move on from this? No harm, no foul. :)
What you said isn't against the rules at all. I'm just saying that people throw that around as if it's a free pass to say what you want with no consequences, which is annoying.
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Neal Morse knows about the DT forums? Hehe. I doubt it. But, then again, he does seem like the kind person who'd just looking to fight at the drop of a hat ;)
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:lol It was actually kind of funny. I was passing through the autograph line and had already spoken with Neal. Then I got to Mike and was introduced to Mike by a mutual friend, and he started completely going off. It soon became apparent that he had us confused with 5/8. We talked for a few minutes, and I made a comment along the lines of "There are always idiots out there on the Internet, but the vast majority of people out there understand that you love your fans and are pretty much the hardest working man in rock and roll for your fans." Neal was talking to someone else, and I think just picked up on the fact that Mike was upset and only heard just a couple of bits and pieces, and right after I said what I said, Neal whips around, jabs his finger at me, and is like "You bet he is the hardest working man in rock and roll for his fans, and don't you forget it!" I think I just stood there for a second with my jaw hanging open thinking, "Whoa! Ease back, Neal. I already escaped Colin's wrath for sneaking backstage through the band entrance before the show. If he thinks I'm starting a fight with you, he's likely to run up and snap me in half before asking any questions." :lol
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It's good you were able to set the record strait. Us getting confused for 5/8 is pretty bad. :lol
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Jeez. Honestly, that story doesn't make Portnoy or Neal sound good. Then again, Neal, who has always struck me as nothing other than a classy gentleman, was probably just sticking up for his pal, but for Portnoy to get that worked up that quickly just because of a freaking internet forum? Good God. :lol :lol
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Jeez. Honestly, that story doesn't make Portnoy or Neal sound good. Then again, Neal, who has always struck me as nothing other than a classy gentleman, was probably just sticking up for his pal, but for Portnoy to get that worked up that quickly just because of a freaking internet forum? Good God. :lol :lol
In fairness, if he got this place confused with 5/8, who can blame him?
I've never been particularly impressed when I've had a gander, round there, and DT's not even my band. Whereas the only thing that unites most of the members is their disillusionment with DT's career - that's kind of what it was born out of.
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I can understand him showing his frustration. If I read a whole bunch of shit about me online or anywhere and then the guy who I thought runs the place introduced himself to me I'd be upset.
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Then again, Neal, who has always struck me as nothing other than a classy gentleman, was probably just sticking up for his pal
Oh, absolutely, which is why I can laugh about it in retrospect.
As far as Mike getting us confused with 5/8 and getting so worked up about it, you have to understand that he really has not idea of this history of this forum and has no idea what DT.net was like. Again, he was fed a lot of misinformation that was very inflammatory from people close to him (NOT Wey). Putting the context of that information together with how people on 5/8 actually do talk about him, and knowing his personality, his reaction is perfectly understandable.
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Then again, Neal, who has always struck me as nothing other than a classy gentleman, was probably just sticking up for his pal
Oh, absolutely, which is why I can laugh about it in retrospect.
As far as Mike getting us confused with 5/8 and getting so worked up about it, you have to understand that he really has not idea of this history of this forum and has no idea what DT.net was like. Again, he was fed a lot of misinformation that was very inflammatory from people close to him (NOT Wey). Putting the context of that information together with how people on 5/8 actually do talk about him, and knowing his personality, his reaction is perfectly understandable.
I just kind of hope he's worked it out now.
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Probably not completely, because we didn't have much time to talk. But I think he got the general gist of it, and with that in mind, I'm sure if I ever get a chance to talk to him again, I can probably straighten it out. But he seemed really receptive to what I was saying and seemed to understand once I clarified.
Man, I haven't really thought about that show much for a while now, but now that I'm thinking back through some of it, it was such a good time. My interactions with Colin and Pete were hilarious. I wish somebody would have had video rolling.
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Ok, since I have read the last two pages and have read 5/8 about a dozen times, can someone tell me what it is?
Also, Bosk, how do you know Mikes doesn't read this board? Did he tell you that? Just curious.
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I guess I can see that side of it, bosk. Still seems like a major overreaction, but that's Portnoy for ya. :P
tick, 5/8 is the other half of the original dt.net. When dt.net was shut down, the new board eventually splintered into two sites: this one, and 5/8. 5/8 is very harsh towards DT and Portnoy more often than not, but a lot of it is in jest, although I can totally see why many would think it is over the top. Most of the people doing the criticizing are or were pretty big fans at one point or another.
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Wait, so what you're saying is that Mike is more aware of 5/8's existence than DTF's? Like, he doesn't type "dream theater forums" into google? I mean, DTF.com doesn't even redirect to 5/8 anymore, last I checked. Wow, sucks for us. At least the current leader of the band, JP, knows about us! :laugh:
EDIT: I joined the forum a few months before the split. Imagine how confusing the split was for me :lol
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Ok, since I have read the last two pages and have read 5/8 about a dozen times, can someone tell me what it is?
Remember yesterday when Zerogravity posted the beat-into the ground "9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING" joke in the thread about drunnk diving?
5/8 is like that. In every thread. All the time.
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The irony is that 5/8 was named after a picture of Jordan Rudess that had the caption:
I'd hit it in 5/8.
:lol :lol
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Ok, since I have read the last two pages and have read 5/8 about a dozen times, can someone tell me what it is?
Also, Bosk, how do you know Mikes doesn't read this board? Did he tell you that? Just curious.
The answer to #2 really only makes sense in the context of the answer to #1, so...
The official DT forum was originally at DT.net. Because Mike had his own forum, he didn't really follow what happened at DT.net. Toward the end of that forum's existence, it had basically split into 2 factions. People who generally were DT fans posted mostly on the DT-side while people who generally didn't like DT anymore and didn't care about the band posted more on the GD side (picture a forum that was organized very similarly to this one). There were definitely people who did both, but I'm just giving the simplified version. In a nutshell, there was some anti-DT sentiment, more on the GD side than anything else, and the forum admin had become withdrawn and wasn't running the site at all. A couple of people close to Mike gave him a lot of misinformation and a completely distorted view of how "anti-DT" and how completely "lawless" the forum had become. Mike told Itchy, the forum admin, to take control and fix it or to pull the plug. Rather than roll up his sleeves and address the issues, Itchy shut the forum down. A new forum was set up at DTF.com by some former forum members, and we all migrated there. The anti-DT faction eventually took control, pulled the plug yet again, and converted DTF.com to what is now fiveeightforums. Again, I'm overgeneralizing, so anyone who is a 5/8 regular, please don't get in a huff. But basically, there is a huge anti-DT sentiment there, the band is regularly bashed, and it has a reputation for having extremely loose rules. Which is fine if that's the kind of forum you are looking for. But in terms of being a DT forum, it is anything but, and does not in any way reflect positively on DT. So, I set up this forum and the DT fans migrated here.
Mike doesn't really know that entire history. What he told me indicated he is really only aware that DT.net went downhill, and eventually became 5/8. He wasn't really aware that there was a huge pro-DT faction (I hate using that term, but for lack of a better word, it works) that had continued and set up shop here (which is ironic, since we are the largest online DT community).
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:lol It was actually kind of funny. I was passing through the autograph line and had already spoken with Neal. Then I got to Mike and was introduced to Mike by a mutual friend, and he started completely going off. It soon became apparent that he had us confused with 5/8. We talked for a few minutes, and I made a comment along the lines of "There are always idiots out there on the Internet, but the vast majority of people out there understand that you love your fans and are pretty much the hardest working man in rock and roll for your fans." Neal was talking to someone else, and I think just picked up on the fact that Mike was upset and only heard just a couple of bits and pieces, and right after I said what I said, Neal whips around, jabs his finger at me, and is like "You bet he is the hardest working man in rock and roll for his fans, and don't you forget it!" I think I just stood there for a second with my jaw hanging open thinking, "Whoa! Ease back, Neal. I already escaped Colin's wrath for sneaking backstage through the band entrance before the show. If he thinks I'm starting a fight with you, he's likely to run up and snap me in half before asking any questions." :lol
hahahaha :rollin
i think there should be a JP vs NM battle :hefdaddy
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Ok, since I have read the last two pages and have read 5/8 about a dozen times, can someone tell me what it is?
Remember yesterday when Zerogravity posted the beat-into the ground "9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING" joke in the thread about drunnk diving?
5/8 is like that. In every thread. All the time.
To be honest the people over there have mastered that craft so well that it's actually pretty funny most of the time. You've just gotta get over the shock/in your face factor first.
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Hey bosk, how long was 5/8 around before you launched DTF.org? How long was DTF.com around? I'm just curious, because I came straight from DT.net and totally missed out on DTF.com and the split.
To be honest the people over there have mastered that craft so well that it's actually pretty funny most of the time. You've just gotta get over the shock/in your face factor first.
I'll admit the first couple metaphorical gifs in the Portnoy thread were genius but it soon turned into people taking things too far and people trying too hard be look funny, as usual.
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I meant in other threads. That MP thread just got out of control.
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Ok, since I have read the last two pages and have read 5/8 about a dozen times, can someone tell me what it is?
Also, Bosk, how do you know Mikes doesn't read this board? Did he tell you that? Just curious.
The answer to #2 really only makes sense in the context of the answer to #1, so...
The official DT forum was originally at DT.net. Because Mike had his own forum, he didn't really follow what happened at DT.net. Toward the end of that forum's existence, it had basically split into 2 factions. People who generally were DT fans posted mostly on the DT-side while people who generally didn't like DT anymore and didn't care about the band posted more on the GD side (picture a forum that was organized very similarly to this one). There were definitely people who did both, but I'm just giving the simplified version. In a nutshell, there was some anti-DT sentiment, more on the GD side than anything else, and the forum admin had become withdrawn and wasn't running the site at all. A couple of people close to Mike gave him a lot of misinformation and a completely distorted view of how "anti-DT" and how completely "lawless" the forum had become. Mike told Itchy, the forum admin, to take control and fix it or to pull the plug. Rather than roll up his sleeves and address the issues, Itchy shut the forum down. A new forum was set up at DTF.com by some former forum members, and we all migrated there. The anti-DT faction eventually took control, pulled the plug yet again, and converted DTF.com to what is now fiveeightforums. Again, I'm overgeneralizing, so anyone who is a 5/8 regular, please don't get in a huff. But basically, there is a huge anti-DT sentiment there, the band is regularly bashed, and it has a reputation for having extremely loose rules. Which is fine if that's the kind of forum you are looking for. But in terms of being a DT forum, it is anything but, and does not in any way reflect positively on DT. So, I set up this forum and the DT fans migrated here.
Mike doesn't really know that entire history. What he told me indicated he is really only aware that DT.net went downhill, and eventually became 5/8. He wasn't really aware that there was a huge pro-DT faction (I hate using that term, but for lack of a better word, it works) that had continued and set up shop here (which is ironic, since we are the largest online DT community).
That you for that explanation.
I was a member of the DT site forum but I rarely posted. I had a couple hundred posts at best, but I remember when it ended. I didn't find this place till some time later.
The comparison between here and 5/5 is very similar to the two rival rush fan boards. Counterparts is in my opinion the anything goes, classless troll board while The Rush Forum upholds a much higher standard for whats acceptable. Obviously, you know where my loyalty lies.
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Hey bosk, how long was 5/8 around before you launched DTF.org? How long was DTF.com around? I'm just curious, because I came straight from DT.net and totally missed out on DTF.com and the split.
DTF.com was around for about a month or two. I modded there. One of the admins put me in charge as "head moderator," which I think contributed to fragmenting the admin staff (which I had no idea was going to happen, or I wouldn't have accepted in the first place). The night Thal pulled the plug and converted the place into 5/8, me, Shawn, and my pet wookie got together and had this place set up before most people woke up the next morning.
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And then you made Nick a mod. Things have been going downhill ever since....
Dammit Nick
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Hey bosk, how long was 5/8 around before you launched DTF.org? How long was DTF.com around? I'm just curious, because I came straight from DT.net and totally missed out on DTF.com and the split.
DTF.com was around for about a month or two. I modded there. One of the admins put me in charge as "head moderator," which I think contributed to fragmenting the admin staff (which I had no idea was going to happen, or I wouldn't have accepted in the first place). The night Thal pulled the plug and converted the place into 5/8, me, Shawn, and my pet wookie got together and had this place set up before most people woke up the next morning.
Don't say that. I don't want to think about what life would be like if I could actually get stuff done in the office.
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:lol No, what I mean is, I had no intention of fragmenting the admin team. Despite the fact that I didn't like the anti-DT direction and wasn't going to continue modding if that was the forum's direction, I was not trying to create division.
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Don't mean to take this off-topic, but nice avatar bosky :tup
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You say that like it's been on topic.
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:tup
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Huh. I have no idea why you being a "head moderator" would create division, but w/e. Seems to me like things have worked out for the best in the long run.
But anyway, by the off-chance that TA does become something more "regular" as a result of this, I'm totally expecting you to do a subforum.
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You say that like it's been on topic.
Touche.
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Huh. I have no idea why you being a "head moderator" would create division, but w/e.
Because of the way it happened. My position was, "The DT/MP bashing is getting out of hand. I don't want to tell you guys how to run your own forum, but if that's what this place is going to be, I think I'm going to have to step down. I don't want to have my name associated with a 'dreamtheaterforums' unless that place actually reflects positively on the band or, at the very least, is a place the band is not ashamed to have named after them." One of the admins was like, "I totally agree, and you are now in charge of making it so." The others were like, " :omg: Um, no!" But, yeah, I think it did work out best in the long run. The people who are regulars at 5/8 got exactly the kind of forum they wanted, and the people who wanted a DT forum got what they wanted, so I think everyone is relatively happy.
But anyway, by the off-chance that TA does become something more "regular" as a result of this, I'm totally expecting you to do a subforum.
If I am running this place if/when that happens, we will definitely have one (unless it ends up not getting enough traffice to justify it).
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But anyway, by the off-chance that TA does become something more "regular" as a result of this, I'm totally expecting you to do a subforum.
If I am running this place if/when that happens, we will definitely have one (unless it ends up not getting enough traffice to justify it).
I think I'd prefer a "side projects" subforum instead of one for just TA.
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I feel like neither would get much traffic.
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I think it's hard to say how much interest there'd be in Transatlantic if they were a normal project.
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I just meant that if another subforum were to be made I'd prefer it to be a general side projects one.
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There'd probably be more traffic in a Porcupine Tree subforum than a TA one. I know it's not a side project but in terms of "other" bands on this forum...
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That's probably true. :lol
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just browsed 5/8 forum for the first time. them peeps got some freaky ass avatars over there.
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There'd probably be more traffic in a Porcupine Tree subforum than a TA one. I know it's not a side project but in terms of "other" bands on this forum...
A PT subforum would get more traffic than fan mixes, bootlegs, musicians and reviews combined.
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But there's already a PTF.
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Please see and read my thread
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just browsed 5/8 forum for the first time. them peeps got some freaky ass avatars over there.
Its October.
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just browsed 5/8 forum for the first time. them peeps got some freaky ass avatars over there.
Its October.
and it's 5/8
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I appreciate those who understand I was not trying to disrespect Mike. I am a huge Mike Portnoy fan and that's why I get upset at the fact I feel he is embarrassing himself in his tweets and such. Am I allowed to say that?
Mike wears his heart on his sleeve. I can relate to that.
Right now though knowing full well his is going to get a mixed bag of support and criticism, he should probably take a hiatus from so much social media.
That strikes me as being a very good idea.....
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Agreed, but that's the one thing Mike cannot seem to do: just ignore things for a while. He knows there's a bunch of stuff being written about him right now that will just upset him, and not only does he continue to read it, he keeps reacting to it, which just keeps things going.
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Agreed, but that's the one thing Mike cannot seem to do: just ignore things for a while. He knows there's a bunch of stuff being written about him right now that will just upset him, and not only does he continue to read it, he keeps reacting to it, which just keeps things going.
I think he's a bit like us, he's a kid who loves music and though he put himself in this postition, he can't separate the fan from the buisness right now.
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Agreed, but that's the one thing Mike cannot seem to do: just ignore things for a while. He knows there's a bunch of stuff being written about him right now that will just upset him, and not only does he continue to read it, he keeps reacting to it, which just keeps things going.
I think he's a bit like us, he's a kid who loves music and though he put himself in this postition, he can't separate the fan from the buisness right now.
Its because he has that regular guy mentality. Thats what I love about him, but he has a loud personality, and he is sensitive. That can be a volatile combination. He would have more inner peace if he avoided the internet for a bit, but we all know that aint Mike, and it won't happen.
In fairness to Mike, if I was in his shoes, I would probably unfortunately react very much like he does to stuff.
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"So I had the tour dates thread open in a tab and when I went to refresh it, it was gone? Was it deleted for some reason?"
"I'm afraid your eyes are not playing tricks on you....
I was willing to ignore that the DT guys insisted all MP-related stuff be removed from DT.net....but then on Monday, reading the Blabbermouth headlines with James insensitively proclaiming they are "not sad at all" about my departure from DT, I cannot in happy standing "promote" his solo tour....
I am so sad it's come to this, but I am even more shocked and hurt by James' completely disrespectful quote......
MP"
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2599140.aspx
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Oh dear. How childish.
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Oh dear. How childish.
There it comes! It's only the beginning! Wait for the new drummer to be announced...
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Wow... I am speechless.
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Wow... I am speechless.
Indeed! And now, he's beginning to "attack" former band members... :-\ I'm afraid he's beginning to take steps where a possible return to DT will prove impossible.
BTW, am I the only one not being surprised by his "attacking" James?
B.Lee
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Wow...
Wow.
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I'm still not surprised. I'm sorry that I have to say that, but MP keeps embarrassing himself more with each post about his departure.
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I'm having a very hard time right now convincing myself that Mike Portnoy isn't completely out of line here. Anyone want to give changing my mind a go?
Even the usual MP.com Portnoy Army isn't defending him. Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who's said-- time and time again-- that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
LOL.
Okay, MP.
::)
All I have to say is I hope the rest of the guys in DT maintain the level of class which they have throughout so far. I really hope they don't allow Mike Portnoy to drag them into a childish argument.
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IMO, what he's trying to do from the beginning is to turn fans against each other. He thought DT couldn't do without him, maybe he thought so for fans as well. Seeing this is not happening seems to drive him mad. Even if I'm convinced this is a voluntary move...
B.Lee
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Is Mike fucking retarded? Of course the remaining DT members are not going to say they are sad. How would that make them look. They are still a great band with great fans, the last thing they want us to think is that they are a bunch of bitchy little school girls. DT is going back into the studio, does Mike really think they are going to go in with a depressed fml attitude? They have to remain positive, it's their only chance of surviving.
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I wouldn't say that MP is retarded, but he certainly seems to be unable to see things from any different perspective but his. Which is understandable to some extent, but this time he went too far.
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As someone who knows Blabbermouth as well as Mike does, I'm genuinely surprised that Mike would take any of the site's articles at face value and publicly rebuke James based on Blabbermouth's allegations without at least giving him a phone call first, or even bothering to listen to the full interview.
Had Mike listened to the interview, he would have at least heard James describe them as brothers, say that he thinks Nightmare is great, etc. Is Mike so self-centered that he can't even imagine why the band would want to, oh, I don't know, reassure the fans that things are still going well?
I don't know what the hell's wrong with Mike. He's obviously frustrated, and willing to blame everyone but himself for what's going on. So we'll see what happens. Like I said earlier, I just hope he doesn't drag the other guys in DT down to his level.
But the fact Mike would decide the draw the line without even talking to the guys first: the says a lot about the relationship between Mike and the other guys right now.
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Plus, I've just been to read the thing on his forum and I'm happy the guys there are telling him he's overreacting (one old forumer pretty harshly too). And his comment "I won't promote JLB's album"?!?!? Come on! As if anybody had asked him to do so...
B.Lee
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As someone who knows Blabbermouth as well as Mike does, I'm genuinely surprised that Mike would take any of the site's articles at face value and publicly rebuke James based on Blabbermouth's allegations without at least giving him a phone call first, or even bothering to listen to the full interview.
Had Mike listened to the interview, he would have at least heard James describe them as brothers, say that he thinks Nightmare is great, etc. Is Mike so self-centered that he can't even imagine why the band would want to, oh, I don't know, reassure the fans that things are still going well?
I don't know what the hell's wrong with Mike. He's obviously frustrated, and willing to blame everyone but himself for what's going on. So we'll see what happens. Like I said earlier, I just hope he doesn't drag the other guys in DT down to his level.
But the fact Mike would decide the draw the line without even talking to the guys first: the says a lot about the relationship between Mike and the other guys right now.
I don't know, it doesn't necessarily need to be that way. The general relationship between MP and the guys from DT might be still kind of intact (although his latest comment might give it a blow), but as we all know, MP is quite the hothead. So it doesn't surprise me that the actions he's been taking as an additional reaction (boycotting news about JLB's touring plans) are rather irrational and crude.
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This makes me so sad :'-(
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Frankly, does he read/ listen to the whole things before reacting like that or is he relying on somebody else to read/ listen to them for him? If he had listened to the whole interview, he wouldn't have reacted like that. Yet, again, I'm not surprised it's James he is attacking...
B.Lee
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I see what you mean. Keep in mind, though, that JP seems to try everything to not stir up another shitstorm by MP by being super-tactful. JR doesn't say anything at all anymore, which doesn't make him a good target either. And JM... yeah, self-explanatory. JLB's comment about him and the rest of DT being excited was adding fuel to the fire.
Nonetheless, both JR and JP somehow expressed their positive attitude about the future, and MP left them alone. So your point is still valid, I guess...
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I think MP is overreacting (*shocked face*). The posting he is overreacting is one answer that was transcribed from a much longer interview. He of all people should know the problem with taking things out of context.
Not to mention that the MP stuff is still on DT.net, contrary to what MP said in his post.
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I can't believe this. I've been cool about the whole thing for quite a while, but now it makes me sad to see Mike react like this. Does he think anyone would take Dream Theater's future without Mike seriously if they kept saying that they miss him and that they're sad about him leaving? Well, obviously they were sad at first, but they're over it, and they want to keep on rockin'. They just need to show the fans that everything is fine. Leave them alone, Mike.
I'm really losing respect for one of my all time favorite drummers. Show some class, for fuck's sake! You don't see the rest of the guys bitching about the situation, do you?
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:omg:
I hope it doesnt get any worse then this.
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Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who's said-- time and time again-- that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
Some pretty good points right here.
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You know what would be really funny... if they hired back KM. All of the other guys get along well together and even gain some popularity. Imagine Mike's reaction...
Btw not intended as a troll just a harmless joke
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Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who's said-- time and time again-- that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
Some pretty good points right here.
Yeah, well said PC. MP is starting to look pretty childish, just hope the DT guys have enough restraint to not turn this into a pissing contest. I'm kinda starting to like the idea of DT sans MP.
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This is making me so sad. For some reason, against all logic, I thought this wasn't going to happen.
EDIT: On the flipside, it's also fascinating.
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Is Mike fucking retarded? Of course the remaining DT members are not going to say they are sad. How would that make them look. They are still a great band with great fans, the last thing they want us to think is that they are a bunch of bitchy little school girls. DT is going back into the studio, does Mike really think they are going to go in with a depressed fml attitude? They have to remain positive, it's their only chance of surviving.
The first line is something I would have been reprimanded for. The last half of the last sentence is a bit over dramatic. Besides that, I completely agree with this.
Why should they be anything but excited? They are driven right now and that usually produces a stellar result.
As far as Mike's comment. It just solidified every remark I made about his situation in the past couple days.
Unlike ariich feeling sorry for Mike if he has read this thread, I feel this thread is required reading for Mike at this time, because the vast majority of the thoughts in it are spot on.
He is doing so much damage to his reputation right now its scary.
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BTW, will ariich comment on Mike's comment? If i remember it well, he said that MP had not criticized the remaining members of DT, what will he say now it's been done?
B.Lee
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I think MP is overreacting (*shocked face*). The posting he is overreacting is one answer that was transcribed from a much longer interview. He of all people should know the problem with taking things out of context.
Not to mention that the MP stuff is still on DT.net, contrary to what MP said in his post.
Yeah...its really sad that MP is acting like this. I kinda want to head over to MP.com and tell everyone "It's okay, come here and discuss with us on DTF! Your JLB threads won't be deleted, don't worry!"
This is kinda hypocritical of him, too. "I want to come on this show and make sure my words aren't taken out of context and over analyzed, Eddie."
*reads Blabbermouth excerpt and over analyzes out of context quotes*
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'M GOING TO DELETE JLB TOUR DATES THAT SOMEONE ELSE POSTED BECAUSE *I* DON'T WANT TO PROMOTE HIM EVEN THOUGH I COULD HAVE KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER."
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Mike Portnoy being Mike Portnoy.
Fans are surprised.
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Don't want to be banned but, to me, MP is just an attention w....! I needed to say it. Aaahhh! I feel better now... :P
B.Lee
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Don't want to be banned but, to me, MP is just an attention w....! I needed to say it. Aaahhh! I feel better now... :P
B.Lee
"Don't want to be banned but"
I kind of think you do? :tick2:
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Don't want to be banned but, to me, MP is just an attention w....! I needed to say it. Aaahhh! I feel better now... :P
B.Lee
"Don't want to be banned but"
I kind of think you do? :tick2:
C'mon, Tick! I don't want to be banned because what will i do with my free time? Spend hours with my wife, go see my son play tennis, help my daughter with her homework, play the guitar...? Oh, wait. i have many things to do... ::)
No, in all seriousness, I love this forum as much as i used to love MP's, which is a lot. Note that i didn't say the word...
B.Lee
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Mike Portnoy being Mike Portnoy.
Fans are surprised.
This, at all.
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Don't want to be banned but, to me, MP is just an attention w....! I needed to say it. Aaahhh! I feel better now... :P
B.Lee
"Don't want to be banned but"
I kind of think you do? :tick2:
C'mon, Tick! I don't want to be banned because what will i do with my free time? Spend hours with my wife, go see my son play tennis, help my daughter with my homework, play the guitar...? Oh, wait. i have many things to do... ::)
No, in all seriousness, I love this forum as much as i used to love MP's, which is a lot. Note that i didn't say the word...
B.Lee
I don't want you banned!
Although there is much merit to the things you could do if you were. It kind of struck a chord with me, because I'm a board w....! :tick2:
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Mike Portnoy being Mike Portnoy.
Fans are surprised.
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Don't want to be banned but, to me, MP is just an attention w....! I needed to say it. Aaahhh! I feel better now... :P
B.Lee
"Don't want to be banned but"
I kind of think you do? :tick2:
C'mon, Tick! I don't want to be banned because what will i do with my free time? Spend hours with my wife, go see my son play tennis, help my daughter with my homework, play the guitar...? Oh, wait. i have many things to do... ::)
No, in all seriousness, I love this forum as much as i used to love MP's, which is a lot. Note that i didn't say the word...
B.Lee
I don't want you banned!
Although there is much merit to the things you could do if you were. It kind of struck a chord with me, because I'm a board w....! :tick2:
No, no, don't worry, I didn't believe for a second you wanted me banned. It all struck me that what MP wanted was only attention, hence my remark.
BTW, I don't criticize anybody for spending a lot of time on the forum. It's their right and yours for that matter. Its' MP who's getting on my nerves now, nobody else. :smiley:
B.Lee
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So refreshing to see the MP.com users actually be honest with him for once.
Mike Portnoy being Mike Portnoy.
Fans are surprised.
Hehe. Sad, but true I suppose.
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The whole situation sucks. I, for once, no longer want MP back in the band.
Edit: Isn't it ironic MP is taking so seriously something posted at Blabbermouth? The same Blabbermouth he has come to criticize? Now it seems he just needs silly excuses to bitch.
Also, big move at deleting the JLB tour dates thread. It's not like MP forum members need to do extensive searching to find them on the internet.
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Can someone enlighten me as to when Dream Theater considered replacing James and what was said publicly at that time? I would love to know.
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If I am not mistaken, after the SDOIT tour they sat him down and told him to straighten his vocals out, get in shape, change his stage presence, etc.
Nothing was said publicly at the time. We only found out through Lifting Shadows.
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The whole situation sucks. I, for once, no longer want MP back in the band.
Edit: Isn't it ironic MP is taking so seriously something posted at Blabbermouth? The same Blabbermouth he has come to criticize? Now it seems he just needs silly excuses to bitch.
Also, big move at deleting the JLB tour dates thread. It's not like MP forum members need to do extensive searching to find them on the internet.
Yes, and fanboy Duke on MP forums even wrote, I quote : "JLB lost alot of exposure for his tour as a result." I mean, come on! So, everybody only waits for MP to say something on his site to do it or not? It's laughable!
B.Lee
BTW, I love it how MP drops a bomb and lets fan do the writing without making any further comment. Geez!
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Looks like all the possibilities of MP rejoining DT at some point in the future are gone. Quite ironic indeed that MP is taking JLB's words as an insult, considering what he has said about JLB himself.
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The whole situation sucks. I, for once, no longer want MP back in the band.
Edit: Isn't it ironic MP is taking so seriously something posted at Blabbermouth? The same Blabbermouth he has come to criticize? Now it seems he just needs silly excuses to bitch.
Also, big move at deleting the JLB tour dates thread. It's not like MP forum members need to do extensive searching to find them on the internet.
Yeah, it is ridiculous. Like I said before, if certain people can't handle criticism, they should limit their exposure to it.
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Looks like all the possibilities of MP rejoining DT at some point in the future are gone. Quite ironic indeed that MP is taking JLB's words as an insult, considering what he has said about JLB himself.
MP's attitude doesn't fit Dream Theater's attitude at all. The other 4 guys are as classy and reasonable as it gets, and MP is a kid.
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This is kinda hypocritical of him, too. "I want to come on this show and make sure my words aren't taken out of context and over analyzed, Eddie."
*reads Blabbermouth excerpt and over analyzes out of context quotes*
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'M GOING TO DELETE JLB TOUR DATES THAT SOMEONE ELSE POSTED BECAUSE *I* DON'T WANT TO PROMOTE HIM EVEN THOUGH I COULD HAVE KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER."
LOL
My theory is this is Mike's game. As Kev said awhile ago, Mike's no idiot. You don't survive in the music biz and win the kinds of battles Mike's won over the record companies by being an idiot, either.
Really, Mike's playing a game here. He wanted to leave DT, so he did but he wanted to do it in a way that would make him look good-- like it wasn't his idea. His first big mistake was thinking that DT fans would support him over the other guys. When he realized he was wrong about that, he pretty much shut down all discussion of it and told the fans that it was "NEVER HIS IDEA" and that he "NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE" to save face... essentially putting all the blame for his own choices on the other guys.
Now, frustrated since he can't stomach the fact that DT fans are going to be, well, just as negative as fans of any other metal band (you wanted DT to have balls, right MP :lol ), he's trying to save face YET AGAIN by fabricating a conflict in which he looks like the good guy. "The guys fired me and now they're saying they're happy about it! :'( :'(" He's drawing lines in the sand.
Mike, being the bully that he is, chooses the only member who is perhaps criticized almost as often as him: James LaBrie. Sure, John and Jordan and Myung have ALL said they're excited about Mike being gone. But fans have beat up on James in the past, maybe they'll beat up on him again. Meanwhile, Myung's too quiet and popular to be angry at, John's reputation with fans is pretty much impenetrable, and while Jordan has received a ton of criticism no-one with an ounce of sanity would ever believe that he's an asshole. So beat up James! Next to you, he's the weakest in the eyes of the fans! Right MP??? Big, tough-guy Captain James LaBrie going after Mike, who's sad and just wants to move on with his life.
WRONG.
The truth is fans LIKE James LaBrie. Hell, we LOVE him. He's the voice of the band we all love. His new solo album is fantastic. He's got a great personality. His performances lately have been god-tier. Everyone wants him to contribute more, and write his own melodies again. Anyone who's stuck with Dream Theater up to this point knows that James LaBrie is the least of the band's perceived 'problems.'
Mike's already learned the hard way that fans will choose the 4 guys in DT over him if he makes things ugly. Now he's going to learn that the fans will choose any member over him 1 on 1. Better not go down that road, Mike...
Honest--to see my place
Open--to other ways
Willingness--to understand
Justice--but do not judge
Courtesy--for others' flaws
Kindness--it's not that hard
Self-restraint--of toungue and pen
Inventory--my daily friend
Analysis--let down your guard
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"So I had the tour dates thread open in a tab and when I went to refresh it, it was gone? Was it deleted for some reason?"
"I'm afraid your eyes are not playing tricks on you....
I was willing to ignore that the DT guys insisted all MP-related stuff be removed from DT.net....but then on Monday, reading the Blabbermouth headlines with James insensitively proclaiming they are "not sad at all" about my departure from DT, I cannot in happy standing "promote" his solo tour....
I am so sad it's come to this, but I am even more shocked and hurt by James' completely disrespectful quote......
MP"
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2599140.aspx
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...!
Fuck!
My mouth actually dropped open.
Up until this point, I wouldn't've called the way he's dealt with this childish, in any sense. He's a man in a tricky situation, and he's been making the best of a bad lot, which he wasn't satisfied with. Fair doos.
But calling James disrespectful for not being in floods of tears? For accepting that life moves on? For taking change in his stride and moving on in a healthy and optimistic manner?
To treat it like it was a loaded comment? A personal attack?
That's a bit indefensible.
I don't want to say moronic, as it'd be wrong. Everyone makes bad decisions, and I couldn't say for sure that I wouldn't overreact in a similar way. But that doesn't look good.
My sympathy's drying up pretty quickly. Which is a shame, 'cause Mike Portnoy's been my favourite drummer for quite a long time.
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If I am not mistaken, after the SDOIT tour they sat him down and told him to straighten his vocals out, get in shape, change his stage presence, etc.
Nothing was said publicly at the time. We only found out through Lifting Shadows.
Actually, MP discusses it on his Live At Budokan commentary.
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When I was six or seven, I thought that once you became an adult, a switch flipped and you immediately became mature. I thought that, at some point in everyone's lives, they stopped being childish.
Then I moved to the suburbs in North Carolina and was introduced to a bunch of rich people who challenged that view. People who I only thought existed on TV that liked hanging out and country clubs and tennis courts and created more drama amongst each other than schoolgirls.
One incident I remember: My sister got into an argument at school with a friend over who should play goalie for the JV team. The friend's parent called my sister - not my parents, my sister - and yelled at her for 10 minutes. My sister was 12. The parent was 45.
What is the parallel I am trying to draw here, you ask?
Portnoy is acting like a child. He is acting in a way that defies logic or reason.
As PC insightfully pointed out: This is a guy who has repeatedly had to defend himself from quotes being taken out of context. I have no evidence, but I remember him doing an interview circa-2005 where he said everything written on Blabbermouth must be taken with a grain of salt.
And now here he is, 1) Taking quotes out of context and 2) Not taking everything written on Blabbermouth with a grain of salt.
At the start of this fiasco, I defended MP. If what happened to him happened to me, I would act the same way, I said. But now he is just acting stupid.
His anger over not being, and feeling, needed in his own band has pushed him over the edge. Always a bit of a hot head and way too quick off the cuff, he is now being downright unreasonable and taking the same actions against others (specifically JLB) he once dismissed as wrong.
The only defensible explanation is that this is Mike's "game", which is only defensible based upon the fact it means he is not illogical or stupid. But then that means he's a prick.
And, honestly, we might be giving him too much credit. The guy might just be an idiot.
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MP clearly didn't listen to the whole interview.
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This is kinda hypocritical of him, too. "I want to come on this show and make sure my words aren't taken out of context and over analyzed, Eddie."
*reads Blabbermouth excerpt and over analyzes out of context quotes*
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'M GOING TO DELETE JLB TOUR DATES THAT SOMEONE ELSE POSTED BECAUSE *I* DON'T WANT TO PROMOTE HIM EVEN THOUGH I COULD HAVE KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER."
LOL
My theory is this is Mike's game. As Kev said awhile ago, Mike's no idiot. You don't survive in the music biz and win the kinds of battles Mike's won over the record companies by being an idiot, either.
Really, Mike's playing a game here. He wanted to leave DT, so he did but he wanted to do it in a way that would make him look good-- like it wasn't his idea. His first big mistake was thinking that DT fans would support him over the other guys. When he realized he was wrong about that, he pretty much shut down all discussion of it and told the fans that it was "NEVER HIS IDEA" and that he "NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE" to save face... essentially putting all the blame for his own choices on the other guys.
Now, frustrated since he can't stomach the fact that DT fans are going to be, well, just as negative as fans of any other metal band (you wanted DT to have balls, right MP :lol ), he's trying to save face YET AGAIN by fabricating a conflict in which he looks like the good guy. "The guys fired me and now they're saying they're happy about it! :'( :'(" He's drawing lines in the sand.
Mike, being the bully that he is, chooses the only member who is perhaps criticized almost as often as him: James LaBrie. Sure, John and Jordan and Myung have ALL said they're excited about Mike being gone. But fans have beat up on James in the past, maybe they'll beat up on him again. Meanwhile, Myung's too quiet and popular to be angry at, John's reputation with fans is pretty much impenetrable, and while Jordan has received a ton of criticism no-one with an ounce of sanity would ever believe that he's an asshole. So beat up James! Next to you, he's the weakest in the eyes of the fans! Right MP??? Big, tough-guy Captain James LaBrie going after Mike, who's sad and just wants to move on with his life.
WRONG.
The truth is fans LIKE James LaBrie. Hell, we LOVE him. He's the voice of the band we all love. His new solo album is fantastic. He's got a great personality. His performances lately have been god-tier. Everyone wants him to contribute more, and write his own melodies again. Anyone who's stuck with Dream Theater up to this point knows that James LaBrie is the least of the band's perceived 'problems.'
Mike's already learned the hard way that fans will choose the 4 guys in DT over him if he makes things ugly. Now he's going to learn that the fans will choose any member over him 1 on 1. Better not go down that road, Mike...
Honest--to see my place
Open--to other ways
Willingness--to understand
Justice--but do not judge
Courtesy--for others' flaws
Kindness--it's not that hard
Self-restraint--of toungue and pen
Inventory--my daily friend
Analysis--let down your guard
I like this post
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When I was six or seven, I thought that once you became an adult, a switch flipped and you immediately became mature. I thought that, at some point in everyone's lives, they stopped being childish.
Then I moved to the suburbs in North Carolina and was introduced to a bunch of rich people who challenged that view. People who I only thought existed on TV that liked hanging out and country clubs and tennis courts and created more drama amongst each other than schoolgirls.
One incident I remember: My sister got into an argument at school with a friend over who should play goalie for the JV team. The friend's parent called my sister - not my parents, my sister - and yelled at her for 10 minutes. My sister was 12. The parent was 45.
What is the parallel I am trying to draw here, you ask?
Portnoy is acting like a child. He is acting in a way that defies logic or reason.
As PC insightfully pointed out: This is a guy who has repeatedly had to defend himself from quotes being taken out of context. I have no evidence, but I remember him doing an interview circa-2005 where he said everything written on Blabbermouth must be taken with a grain of salt.
And now here he is, 1) Taking quotes out of context and 2) Not taking everything written on Blabbermouth with a grain of salt.
At the start of this fiasco, I defended MP. If what happened to him happened to me, I would act the same way, I said. But now he is just acting stupid.
His anger over not being, and feeling, needed in his own band has pushed him over the edge. Always a bit of a hot head and way too quick off the cuff, he is now being downright unreasonable and taking the same actions against others (specifically JLB) he once dismissed as wrong.
The only defensible explanation is that this is Mike's "game", which is only defensible based upon the fact it means he is not illogical or stupid. But then that means he's a prick.
And, honestly, we might be giving him too much credit. The guy might just be an idiot.
:heart
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Dream Theater makes it sound like he left the band. Mike makes it sound like the band kicked him out. I don't think anyone is actually 100% sure on what really went down in the final days. Regardless, everyone else seems to have moved on and are trying to be as optimistic as possible. I mean, is Mike trying to burn his bridges? Until this point the majority of the fans have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, despite all his whining and looking for people to feel sorry for him. I don't get why he's acting like this.
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Dream Theater makes it sound like he left the band. Mike makes it sound like the band kicked him out. I don't think anyone is actually 100% sure on what really went down in the final days. Regardless, everyone else seems to have moved on and are trying to be as optimistic as possible. I mean, is Mike trying to burn his bridges? Until this point the majority of the fans have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, despite all his whining and looking for people to feel sorry for him. I don't get why he's acting like this.
Short answer? 'Cause he's human. I think it's easy to forget that. I know I do, all the time. Mike Portnoy's this sort of oracle of musicianship with a fantasy job and a dizzying reputation, to me. Sometimes, at night, I wake up needing a piss. Or sometimes I'll draw a face onto my hand, just for fun. That's 'cause I'm a human. My image of Mike Portnoy doesn't do that. He sits around behind a drumkit or a computer or a tourbus and is constantly and unequivocally spectacular.
And then I'm left slackjawed when he treats a messy breakup like a messy breakup. He's just as human as George from down the road, who decided to spread nasty lies about his ex-wife when he wasn't busy weeping into his pillow and missing the kids.
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Oh he's burning bridges alright. Mike's the kinda guy who, unfortunately, has the type of obsessive personality where he gets in really bad "funks" and convinces himself that he needs to make a huge change in his life to be happy again, I think. Better he decide to burn bridges with Dream Theater, or else it'd be his wife and family or something.
Can't wait to see how Mike responds to all his fans pointing out how wrong he is, anyway.
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Human he may be, but surely there's a point where even flawed humans face facts and move on with their lives. They acknowledge that they're fighting an uphill battle and stop fighting it.
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Jesus, Mike. :facepalm: All this classlessness, hypocrisy, and immaturity makes it difficult for me to be sympathetic.
Most of what I'd say has already been said better in this thread; PC and skydivingninja covered most of it I think. The way this is playing out is very disappointing and sad. It's headed down a bad road, and it's most likely one-way only. :sadpanda:
-J
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Mike Portnoy being Mike Portnoy.
Fans are surprised.
Pretty much this.
In all seriousness, though. There have been some really great posts by several people in this thread. Won't bother naming.
Here's to the future.
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Human he may be, but surely there's a point where even flawed humans face facts and move on with their lives. They acknowledge that they're fighting an uphill battle and stop fighting it.
Have you met any humans? We're kinda shit. Irrational, ridiculous, constantly lost in our own silly worlds. Dependent, erratic, depressive, occasionally elated. I stopped going to school once 'cause I broke up with a girl I wasn't even properly going out with. Felt quite sick for a week or two. Now I just feel stupid. Every one of us is our own silly little mess.
Mike's way off rock bottom. Compared to many, he's a model of sanity. Yeah, there's a point where even the most flawed of us are forced to move on. That's miles away for Mike, though. Not to say that he can't just move on. But he won't have to. Look at Dave Mustaine! This is a storm in a teacup compared to any of his outbursts.
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From what I have gathered, it is already over. Mike went left, the guys went right.
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I have first hand experience in dealing with this kind of behavior. Both my younger brothers have had life changing experiences. One is a recovered alcoholic and the other a cancer survivor. On one hand, it gives them a huge sense of accomplishment and that's a good thing. The flipside of that is an attitude of "the world revolves around me" so to speak. Not so good. This whole thing started when he wanted to take a break and expected the other members to go along with it. Did I mention arrogance and selfishness? When you commit yourself to a band for 25 years, you can't just all of a sudden decide to take a break and expect others to do the same. Now he's all upset about something he caused. Talk about embarrassingly ridiculous. I have no tolerance for that whatsoever.
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I have first hand experience in dealing with this kind of behavior. Both my younger brothers have had life changing experiences. One is a recovered alcoholic and the other a cancer survivor. On one hand, it gives them a huge sense of accomplishment and that's a good thing. The flipside of that is an attitude of "the world revolves around me" so to speak. No so good. This whole thing started when he wanted to take a break and expected the other members to go along with it. Did I mention arrogance and selfishness? When you commit yourself to a band for 25 years, you can't just all of a sudden decide to take a break and expect others to do the same. Now he's all upset about something he caused. Talk about embarrassingly ridiculous. I have no tolerance for that whatsoever.
I am beginning to think the whole "I need a break" thing is bullshit. MP has said in interview prior to the break up that he intended on finishing the A7X tour which goes through January. I think it was more of DT not wanting to wait any longer to get back in the studio.
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lol as someone over MP.com acknowledged, I do think there's quite more than meets the eye to this.
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Kind of funny, because last month in an interview he said he wasn't into James' singing style anymore and now he's pissed because the guys aren't sad.
IMO his statement was more insulting than James' one.
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LOL, the thread got deleted, just check out MP.com.
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What a complete and total embarrassment Mike Portnoy has become. If you read that thread at his forum, even the vast majority of people there thought he was totally out of line, and they usually defend him to the death. That says it all about how childish and immature he is acting. And like I said before, the sad thing is that he probably doesn't even realize it. I shudder to think at how he is gonna react when the band announces their new drummer, releases a new album, announces tour dates, etc.
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LOL, the thread got deleted, just check out MP.com.
Very respectful, huh...
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LOL, the thread got deleted, just check out MP.com.
Knew it'd happen. I have some of the "terrible" posts from the first two pages screen-capped. lol. At least Mike saw it, though. Apparently, he logged it and then it disappeared.
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Even if it's been deleted, Portnoy's act of deleting James' tourdates has already been done and MP's comments have been spread to this forum and other forums. He should've thought out his actions and comments a little more. Even if he deleted the comments, they've been made. And it's soured some fans opinions of him.
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LOL, the thread got deleted, just check out MP.com.
Knew it'd happen. I have some of the "terrible" posts from the first two pages screen-capped. lol. At least Mike saw it, though. Apparently, he logged it and then it disappeared.
I'd like to see them. I want to see how badly he's overreacting
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I have the first 2 pages pretty much back at my office. I can show you tomorrow, granted that there's no issue with posting what was said there here.
After two pages I stopped, because I have a life and all. But the what was on the first two pages is pretty much how the thread went. I will upload them to a photo-bucket tomorrow.
It's really just a lot of people asking/begging for Mike to see reason and listen to the whole interview. In the whole thread there were maybe two or three sycophants saying "OH MY GOD MIKE I CANT BELIEVE MY EYES EITHER."
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I have the first 2 pages pretty much back at my office. I can show you tomorrow, granted that there's no issue with posting what was said there here.
Yeah, same. I figured the thread would've eventually been deleted, knowing MP.com, so I saved them to Evernote. I've got a lot of the third page, too.
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I am pretty sure this already means another KM like relationship with the band....
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My theory is......
.... Better not go down that road, Mike...
Perp, a really great post! :tup
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I am pretty sure this already means another KM like relationship with the band....
The funny thing is that it wasn't an issue with KM and the band, it was an issue with KM and one band member.
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We should expect Raise the Hatchet and/or Always Never Enough now.
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I'll give someone a dollar via pay-pal for posting the JLB tour dates and saying something like "So, I just noticed there's no thread about the JLB tour here. Anyone going? How about a meetup?"
Oddly, not only is the thread about James' tour gone, all album discussion is gone too.
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I can just see it now: all threads about new DT albums/tours/news are gonna be locked and deleted. :lol :lol
But hey, it is his website and he can do what he wants, but he is gonna drive away a lot of his forum members.
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Yes, because no one over there knows who DT are and they can't find information about them in other places. He sure showed them, 2 less fans on their next tour, I don't know how they will be able to make any money off of that :D Anyway, enough MP discussion/gossip from me. I'm sticking with the band and I also am not sad, not at all.
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:corn
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I am pretty sure this already means another KM like relationship with the band....
The funny thing is that it wasn't an issue with KM and the band, it was an issue with KM and one band member.
Yeah. As a big KM fan, I've been quietly comparing MP's departure to KM's departure. Seeing how this MP/DT divorce is going so far and how sensitive and even childish MP was in this LaBrie situation, I'm starting to look at the KM/DT and MP/OSI departures in new light. That's all I'll say for now. I'm not sure how to word my thoughts just yet.
I will say, however, that Kevin left quietly and never commented badly on the band afterwards -- even when MP trashed him in Lifting Shadows and other interviews.
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I'll give someone a dollar via pay-pal for posting the JLB tour dates and saying something like "So, I just noticed there's no thread about the JLB tour here. Anyone going? How about a meetup?"
Oddly, not only is the thread about James' tour gone, all album discussion is gone too.
Just made a new thread with the tour dates. I really wonder if i will be banned. I dont really care to be honest, after the recent situation...
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Ohhh Mike... :facepalm:
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I'll give someone a dollar via pay-pal for posting the JLB tour dates and saying something like "So, I just noticed there's no thread about the JLB tour here. Anyone going? How about a meetup?"
Oddly, not only is the thread about James' tour gone, all album discussion is gone too.
Just made a new thread with the tour dates. I really wonder if i will be banned. I dont really care to be honest, after the recent situation...
Awesome :lol
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LOL, the thread got deleted, just check out MP.com.
Knew it'd happen. I have some of the "terrible" posts from the first two pages screen-capped. lol. At least Mike saw it, though. Apparently, he logged it and then it disappeared.
I'd like to see them. I want to see how badly he's overreacting
Me too.
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I'm not sure why he took objection to his name being removed from DT.net, either. He's not in the band! Derek Sherinian's name isn't there, either!
If you're going to quit the band, you're out of the band. That's what it means. Still. Nice that he was "willing to ignore" it.
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Plus his DT.net stuff was just moved to the side, not off the site.
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Dream Theater makes it sound like he left the band. Mike makes it sound like the band kicked him out. I don't think anyone is actually 100% sure on what really went down in the final days.
That's all true. But the very first thing most of us heard was that Mike had left the band, and there was the statement written by Mike himself, saying that he had left the band.
Ever since then, he's been talking about how he wishes it'd gone down differently (which I'm sure is true) and trying to imply that he was indeed kicked out. Or at the very least, that whether he "left" or was "kicked out" is mere semantics. It's not. They're pretty much opposites.
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I'm not sure why he took objection to his name being removed from DT.net, either. He's not in the band! Derek Sherinian's name isn't there, either!
If you're going to quit the band, you're out of the band. That's what it means. Still. Nice that he was "willing to ignore" it.
Good point. I guess he feels like it was done rather expeditiously. But it needed to be done sooner or later.
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I'm not sure why he took objection to his name being removed from DT.net, either. He's not in the band! Derek Sherinian's name isn't there, either!
If you're going to quit the band, you're out of the band. That's what it means. Still. Nice that he was "willing to ignore" it.
Good point. I guess he feels like it was done rather expeditiously. But it needed to be done sooner or later.
Seeing as their bio hasn't been updated since Octavarium, I guess I can kind of understand why that would piss him off.
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I'm not sure why he took objection to his name being removed from DT.net, either. He's not in the band! Derek Sherinian's name isn't there, either!
If you're going to quit the band, you're out of the band. That's what it means. Still. Nice that he was "willing to ignore" it.
Good point. I guess he feels like it was done rather expeditiously. But it needed to be done sooner or later.
I found it rather ironic that he is pissed off about him not being talked about as a DT member anymore but that he don't want to hear talking about Dream Theater's stuff on his forum. I mean, you can't really have both right?
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I can see how he will never be back to DT. He's out, for good.
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I think they just deleted the topic about the JLB tour in MP forum...WTF
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Is Mike fucking retarded?
I've had quite enough of this. The next post like this or even close to this WILL be getting a ban. If you feel negativity towards anyone that's fine, if you want to voice your opinion that's fine, but you WILL do it in a respectful manner.
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As a recently banned member of MP.com I wasn't surprised by his actions at all. He used to be a hero to me, and I was gutted when I read the news that he'd quit. That was before I was banned for the slightest thing. I could not believe it at first. My girlfriend thinks it' hilarious.
I still go there and read the posts. In fact I was doing just that when the post was pulled. You are not allowed to disagree with the word of MP.
How on earth did the rest of the band live and work in that environment for so long? And produce the great music they did? No wonder they took this chance to get rid of him.
At one time I used to think "MP for President" and I still do. Unfortunately it's for President of North Korea...
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My take on the situation is this- I find this early in the game and on a forum this was certainly the wrong move on MPs part. MP is now a former member of DT and as such his stuff should be moved to the side on DT.net. I don't see any malice there, however there certainly may have been behind the scenes and we certainly don't know much for sure.
That said there is a difference between a website and a forum, and while controlling what is put on a website is easy I don't think it's reasonable to try and cut down on what is posted on the forum about Dream Theater and its remaining members. I think if MP wanted to not post anything on MP.com the site or post anything personally about what the guys is doing that would be perfectly normal, but I do think it's a bit extreme (yet still within his rights as it is HIS site) to try and crush discussion on the forum.
In the end I think this will create a nice surge in users here at least.
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Anyone else think the drummer of jlb's new album would be great? And he's a good singer too, for backing.
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This just in from JLB....
Hi Everyone,
It seems there is an misunderstanding. When I said I was not sad with Mike's departure, it unfortunately leaves plenty of room to misconstrue such words. No one can tell you or me how to think and feel. Initially with Mike's departure I was extremely upset, down and shocked. But one needs to deal and work through these emotions in order to arrive at a more positive and optimistic place. That is where I am now and was when the interview took place. Let me put it more plain and simple. Life does not afford us the luxury to wallow in our sorrow. You have to deal with the situation at hand and make it a productive and positive endeavor. In other words, onward and upward. Mike made it perfectly clear why he chose the current path. I would much rather his words be the definitive answer. In the end does it really matter what our views are, other than human curiosity it doesn't change a thing. I have said my peace and believe there is no room for misinterpretation. I will give no further weight to this subject, all has been said.
Sincerely,
James.
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:tup
Once again, a classy answer by James.
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MP just kind of disgusts me right now. Give it time and maybe my respect for him will go back up, but right now it's very low I hope that's in the lines of respect....
MP can say all he wants about any band member in the media, but MP misinterprets an interview question and it's 'How dare them'
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Not to mention JLB went the extra mile to DEFEND Mike. The dude has earned some brownie points in my book.
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I've got a feeling JP, JLB, JM and JR have wanted this for a long, long, time.
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LaBrie's always seemed like a pretty classy dude from what I can gather. He didn't have to respond to something like this, but he cleared things up and hopefully that will put this shit to rest.
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Way to go, James. Wise words.
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I've got a feeling JP, JLB, JM and JR have wanted this for a long, long, time.
With him? I couldn't say. For instance, it was basically JR, MP and JP who were handling all the music creation. I saw it as JR and MP having a strong bond... JM looks like he is free at last to do things as he pleased, but JR seemed that he was as of late writing the bass-lines for JM. JR seemed like the guy who followed MP orders on this...
I dunno, I'm gonna tweet him about it.
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MP should to write this on his forum:
"Hey everybody.
First off, I'd like to apologize to James. After reading his clarification, I now understand what he meant about feeling happy with the current situation. Is it depressing to hear personally? Yes. But we've all made our choices, and the band's choosing to move on in their own way. If you guys on the boards want to talk about his solo tour, knock yourselves out.
Without belaboring the point, leaving Dream Theater is maybe the most devastating thing to ever happen in my life aside from the deaths of my parents. Almost every waking moment of my life for the last twenty-five years has been devoted to the band's success.
A lot of posters on the internet have said I should get over this and move on. I can't do that right now. But, lately I've been lashing out in anger at various comments and news stories that upset me. Too many fans of me and Dream Theater feel caught up in a storm of negativity. And now I'm creating bad blood between me and my former band mates. While we find ourselves on separate paths, I don't want to sully what we created personally and professionally.
So, aside from any project related announcements, I'm going to take a sabbatical from internet interaction. I know for a lot of fans this will be a bummer, but I need to find my center and sense of self again before I try to get back to business as usual. I'm sorry this process will take so long, but it has to be this way. It seems everyone has accepted this but me. And since I can't make anyone else feel the way I do, I guess I'll have to see if time really does heal all wounds."
And then do it.
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I am sure this reply from James makes MP even more angry or frustrated or however he is feeling right now.
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Right on Reap!
I was thinking the same thing myself.
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I doubt he'll apologize, but it'd be nice to hear it
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This thread is temporarily closed just for a short cooling off period and will reopen soon. Please read this in the mean time: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17311.0
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So now its no longer closed? Shortest lock ever.
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Well... Uh... Yeah, MP left.
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This is not looking good...The drama and everything
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Well... Uh... Yeah, MP left.
Did he? THOSE A7X BASTARDS THEY STOLE OUR DRUMMER. WHY MIKE WHY? :neverusethis:
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So, what happens now? All eyes are on MP...
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Dream Theater makes it sound like he left the band. Mike makes it sound like the band kicked him out. I don't think anyone is actually 100% sure on what really went down in the final days. Regardless, everyone else seems to have moved on and are trying to be as optimistic as possible. I mean, is Mike trying to burn his bridges? Until this point the majority of the fans have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, despite all his whining and looking for people to feel sorry for him. I don't get why he's acting like this.
Mikey got outvoted in DT for the first time and he took his ball and left. Simple as that.
"I think WE should take a break."
"Uh, we want to hit the studio and continue."
(Band votes.....4 to 1 in favor of moving forward)
"MP - No fair, you give me no choice but to quit"
This is what happened folks. He made a terrible decision that Im sure he regrets already in some way, but realizes he cant go back without looking like a total tithead.
MP wanted the fans to be utterly outraged and follow him on this. However most MP & DT fans see this latest development as completely the wrong move and arent lining up with him like he thought (wanted).
Maybe the next time he goes golfing with Zakky, Jimmy Stinknuts, and Milky the clown he can ask them if they will still call him the mighty MP. Cause I think the overwhelming majority of us DT fans arent buying into this seemingly downward spiral he seems to be taking with his fans.
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tithead.
Just wanted to quote that. Love it.
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I wanted to post this but bösk1 had it closed for a while. It belongs here.
Dream Theater wanted to move on:
(https://imgur.com/2MuQt.jpg)
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:rollin
It honestly looks like he doesn't have eyebrows in that pic
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I'm guessing the "Open Letter" thread at MP.com is being left up so Mike can make some kinda response when he comes back from his concert. I'm very curious as to what the poster means by "The Thing at the Drum Pad."
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2599647.aspx
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I agree, the drum pad thing was so confusing
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I think if MP doesnt make some rational comment or apology the MP faithful will be losing a lot of respect.
If he has the "Open Letter" thread deleted then it will likely be a mass exodus over there.
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Found it, and it's pretty old:
https://www.houseofdrumming.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4501&highlight=
Hello fellow drum fans (?),
I've just come across this message board and I must say I am shocked.
I cannot believe how disliked (borderline hated!) I am amongst most of you.
As much as I'd love to say it doesn't bother me, I have to honestly say it does hurt to read. I am human and my skin is not as thick as you may think.
Contrary to what most of you think, I do not think I'm god's gift to the drum world. In fact, I am actually quite intimidated about my drumming and I'll be the first to tell anybody how overrated I am and that guys like Gadd, Vinnie, Weckl, Chambers, Jo Jo, Donati, Minnemann, Lang, Bozzio, Mangini, etc etc etc can play circles around me.
I don't know why my popularity and acclaim pisses so many of you off. Its not my "fault" I was voted into the MD Hall of Fame and won the Progressive catagory 12 years in a row....(frankly, I was relieved when Gavin Harrison finally won it last year!)
Those polls are not ME claiming to be better or more deserving than anybody else.
I guess my playing and style has somehow struck a chord with a lot of young drummers out there and for that I am hugely grateful and humbled. However, drumming is not a contest.....there are no "best" drummers, just merely "favorites".
I am just another person who loves music and drumming and am thankful that I can do this for a living. If I inspire young drummers to pick up sticks and get into it, then what's so bad about that? Hopefully if they are really inspired by me, they will learn and discover about the hundreds of other drummers, bands and artists I regularly site as huge inspirations on me.
Which leads me to some of the bashing of my tribute bands I've read on this Forum. I am not trying to "prove" anything with these. I am merely "paying tribute" to some of my heroes. To tear me apart for not keeping perfect time with my Beatles tribute at the MD Fest is TOTALLY missing the whole point. Some of the most famous music of all time was made without the perfect groove, the perfect technique, etc.
Believe it or not, my love for drumming and music in general is NOT defined by having the biggest drumset around or being able to play in 19/16 time. THAT is the whole point of my tribue bands (and a lot of the side project work I do outside of Dream Theater - like Neal Morse's solo albums for instance.)
Finally - to the person that tore me apart for my "onstage antics" witnessed at a G3 show in this oh so flattering thread (ever so delicately calling me a "goofball" and "douchebag"):
https://www.houseofdrumming.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2631
.....I'm sorry that I like to have fun on stage (even if I was "only a D" on that G tour!)....
I do realize, most everybody in the audience is there to watch the G's play their instruments, but the unfortunate REALITY is that on every G3 tour that I've done, there is a VERY large amount of DT fans that come out to see BOTH me and John. So pardon me for not quietly sitting in the background doing my best Charlie Watts impersonation. In fact, if I were to have done that, I bet there'd be more complaints by people who have come to expect me to "perform" and interact on stage as I usually do.
I'm sorry if my live performance was a distraction to you, but I indeed enjoy ENJOYING playing live and interacting with my band members and the audience while on stage.
One of my biggest drum heroes of all time was Keith Moon who was the type of drummer I could not take my eyes off of when watching perform live. (wow, I can only imagine how some of you must HATE him for his lack of technique and finesse!).
Yet, he inspired thousands (maybe millions?) of drummers to pick up a pair of sticks, get behind the kit and make MUSIC!
And sometimes, that can go a very long way!
Yours humbly,
the incredibly overrated
Mike Portnoy
I actually don't see Mike being out of line there. His onstage antics are the best thing about his playing.
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I've never seen/heard anything with MP so p.o.'d
I wonder how this can be connected with his DT departure?
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So... does someone want to explain to me what the hell happened today?
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MP is mad at JLB for not being more sad about his departure, so he started deleting all JLB-related threads on the mikeportnoy.com forums. JLB responded by saying that MP misunderstood him. All the rest is just forum speculation and anticipation to MP's response.
On a side note, someone created an account named "portnoy" and pretended to be Mike, elaborating on false conflicts between him and the band. Said user was baned.
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So... does someone want to explain to me what the hell happened today?
Stuff and then MP went to see the Wall.
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When I first heard the news of MP leaving DT, I became really sad about it...but his behavior lately is really helping me get over it a lot faster!! Mike Portnoy is truly no longer a member of Dream Theater.
Actually with all thats been going on with MP, instead of feeling sad, angry, or disappointed by his actions like most people are, I am more amused and fascinated by the drama he has stirred up. What is he gonna say, do next, what's gonna happen next. this is all very exciting, quite frankly.
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I really share the same feelings as the OP in that particular thread on Mike's forum. I've had just about enough of Mike for a little while...
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I still think JP, Myung, Jordan and LaBrie are kind of happy that Portnoy is out of the band. I really do believe Portnoy was controlling. No proof of that, just speculation and why I said, "I believe."
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Mike posted a reply to the open letter few minutes ago: https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2599647.aspx
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MP's made the right choice by stepping away from the interweb for a while.
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It sounds like he knows he in the wrong. I'm glad he admited he took the quote out of context without listening to the interview, but I don't see the JLB tour thread back yet.
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Mike didn't listen to anyone who pointed out his info on DT.net was moved, or doesn't understand what's so wrong about deleting JLB's tour dates from his forum or how he's in the wrong for doing that. At least he acknowledge he reacted somewhat wrongfully to an out of context quote. I'm sure it is really hard for him to see all these people lashing out at him in some way, but some time out of the spotlight would be GREAT for him right now. Spend time with his family and A7X and maybe get a new perspective on the whole situation and just cool off. I'm sure his mind is still blown that he left DT, but maybe this will help.
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All of this has made me like JP and JLB a lot more. And MP a lot less.
I can't say I'm surprised. But I'm still a little bit shocked that he hasn't learned anything about the internet in the last years.
I wish MP well in his future projects, and I really, REALLY hope that Transatlantic continues to release material and tour. But I also hope that DT finds another drummer that they STICK WITH FOR THE REST OF THEIR CAREER! All of the guys are kind of laid back, easygoing people. Portnoy is not that.
I respect him tremendesly as a drummer. But not anymore as a person.
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Did you guys catch MP's response in that thread?
He publicly apologozes to James. That's cool! And admits it was "out of context". I was upset when I saw his post yesterday, but this is why I still love MP and will continue to cut him some slack while all of this blows over.
Well this is just absolutely insane...
I have no idea what I said to insult everybody and how I ended up the bad guy here, but all this is EXACTLY why I am declining interview requests at the moment and why this is going to be my last post for a while...
I was totally dreading being misinterepreted, misunderstood and misrepresented...
I am really hurting badly over this....and this surely is not helping....
Smirnoff
Mike,
You have been an influence since my formative years as a drummer. You have bothered to come into House of Drumming and post an "open letter" basically saying "why don't you like me?"
That was many years ago....why bring that up now?????
Smirnoff
Between all that and the threads here lately getting deleted and the feud (which Randy Walker has explained a bit), don't you think that you AT LEAST owe an apology?
I dont know who I owe an apology to, but if you feel I owe you or the fan's one, I'm sorry if I hurt you in any way....
Smirnoff
How do you just press forward with deleting threads and pretending nothing happened?
Well actually, that's how alot of this started.....I DIDN'T "press foward with deleting threads and pretend nothing happened" (although now I kinda wished I did....)
I posted my reason why, and perhaps THAT was a mistake....but I thought I owed it to you guys to explain why the threads disappeared..
Smirnoff
Do you really think you are in the right here?
Honestly, I'm not exactly sure what I did wrong...I've always been very open, honest, genuine and don't beat around the bush or pull punches....
I was hurt that I was removed from the DT site and I was hurt by the "not sad at all" headline I read on Blabbermouth...(granted, I didnt hear the whole interview and was just shocked by the out of context headline...)
So for being duped by the media and speaking out on it, for that I am sorry as well...
Smirnoff
If all this continues, I would have to rethink my association with anyone like you. Sorry, but between your thing at The Drum Pad and what they have done for you
Huh??
I honestly have NO IDEA what you are referring to.....I have always had a GREAT relationship with them and am still great friends with Victor Salazar...if there is some bad blood happening there, I am completely oblivious to it...
Smirnoff
and you treating people like garbage lately, something's gotta give!
I honestly have no idea how I am "treating people like garbage lately" either?????
I have tried to be as respectful, delicate and sensitive as possible....
If anything, I have been the one taking a beating left, right & center...my facebook, twitter and other websites have been completely taken over by angry fans (f*ck A7X, f*ck you, etc etc)...people who have obviously not read my reasons and simply on the attack....
You have NO IDEA how hard it is to watch thousands upon thousand of these posts....when I have given my heart and soul to these "fans" for all these years...and I am more hurt than they are right now....yet still, I bite my lip and try my best to continue to be as respectful, delicate and sensitive as possible....
(I'm treating THEM like garbage lately????? I'm still baffled...)
Smirnoff
Please take a higher road and don't come off so childish and immature and bitter! I don't care if I get banned for saying all this, but you can't justify acting irrationally while saying "this is my site, I say what I want" thing. I have never seen so many people in complete disagreement with something you have said before. Maybe it's a sign to sit back, unplug that internet connection and really think about where you are as a person. Best wishes.
I will indeed do this.....Marlene and I have talked about this and I promised I was going to not read this stuff anymore and let it upset me....or chime in and post anymore either (she's probably gonna kill me for posting this!), but rather than NOT responding to this "open letter" and be perceived as somehow being "immature, bitter or childish", I decided to bite the bullet one last time, respond and properly sign off before disappearing...
Smirnoff
I hope you don't see this as me bashing you on any level. It's the honest assessment of what's been happening lately. I know you said that you hoped it wouldn't turn ugly. YOU started it.
I'm still not sure how *I* started it????
My reaction yesterday was just that....a *RE*action to an action (or two for that matter....even if one was "out of context")
That's not "starting"....that's "reacting"...
Smirnoff
Not anyone else's fault that the DT guys feel a sense of liberation from your controlling ways. Constant Motion, right? They can't win an argument... cause you always win. They should know it. Right?
Hey...this coming only a few sentences after saying you're not "bashing me on any level and an honest assessment of what's been happening lately"....
C'mon, that was a total cheap shot at me and not very nice at all...
Smirnoff
Keep the private matters private. Best of luck.
I do agree there as well....and it's probably nobody's business, but after reading that Blabbermouth headline, I emailed all 4 guys and none of them ever responded....
(and they still havent...)
I would've loved to have kept it private and hoped they would've responded when I reached out to them all, but they never did.....but then again, that's between us, so that's the last I will comment on that...
So being James never responded to me personally and chose to do it "publically", I'd like to publically apologize to him for apparently misunderstanding his quote out of context and deleting those threads...
(although I still cant understand why it's OK for DT.net to delete MP stuff, but not vise-versa....but it's OK....it's also the last I will comment on that as well!)
And on that note, it is time for me to retire from posting for a while....
Contrary to what many people are thinking and saying (both here on my beloved Forum or other places where I am somehow now "the bad guy"), I am indeed hurting over all of this.....contrary to yesterday's Blabbermouth headline, *I* am indeed VERY sad over all of this....
These additional posts have already gone way too far (whether sensationalized by the media or simply read by the fans) and I need the 3 stickied threads (the press release, the Eddie Trunk interview, and my note to Forum) as well as one upcoming exclusive interview witg PROG magazine, to be all I say for a while....
Even in these tough times, I love you all dearly and cherish the relationship that I have developed with you all for all these years....
Please try to understand my situation and know it's been the hardest thing I've ever done....but it does NOT have to change anything between US!!
Over & Out,
MP
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Oh, I read it. Still doesn't change the fact that he, instead of calling up James and straighten things out, decided to post a public attack on his own forum. In my eyes, that is REALLY childish and immature. Even more so than things he has done in the past.
If this case was isolated and the only recent incident where he's been acting a bit harsch, than I would have more understanding, given the recent situation. But coupled with everything that has happened, it has really made me lose respect for the human Portnoy. He's still an amazing drummer and I will continue to listen to all work he has done and will produce in the future. But I don't particulary care for him anymore, and hopes that he will take no part in DT anymore, aside from perhaps the occasional gig. (Like playing the AA suite in full or The Best of Times.)
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I'm glad Mike will stay away from the web for a while, it's the best for him.
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Yeah. Staying away from the internet is the best idea.
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I probably read it too fast, but from skimming, I did not get the impression he actually comprehends excatly what he has done wrong. He is still playing the victim card.
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With all due respect, that wasn't much of an apology. It came across as very empty.
In the same sentence he supposedly apologizes to JLB, he all but chastises him for responding publically, when it was Portnoy who started this shitstorm by complaining about something on his forum the other day, IN PUBLIC, about something he completely misinterpreted.
And did he really say he was duped by the media?
He even still tries to make the four DT guys the bad buys, while remaining the good guy, by saying stuff like:
after reading that Blabbermouth headline, I emailed all 4 guys and none of them ever responded....
(and they still havent...)
I would've loved to have kept it private and hoped they would've responded when I reached out to them all, but they never did.....but then again, that's between us, so that's the last I will comment on that...
Talk about passive-aggressive...
No to offense to anyone, but I can't believe anyone would buy that "apology."
P.S. I hope this post doesn't come across as disrespectful, or that it crossed the line at all. It just stinks to see John Petrucci, James La Brie, Jordan Rudess and John Myung to have to take this crap, when they have done nothing to deserve it. THEY deserve mad props for the way they are handling this. :)
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He is still playing the victim card.
this
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It would appear that nothing Mike says is going to save Mike in the court of public opinion at this time with a lot of people. The sad thing is, regardless of what he said, he will probably torture himself and soak in the feedback from his latest post and probably still lose his mind from the responses. I give him credit for responding to a no win situation. He must now try to stick to his words and be scarce for awhile, even though he has been keeping me entertained on a regular basis.
and lastly, this gif I made gets more funny to me everyday.
(https://www.gifsoup.com/view2/1150515/good-bye-mike-o.gif)
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That gif makes me sad..
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That gif makes me sad..
Sorry. I see it as satire because it looks like something it isn't. I understand your feelings though. Watching Score a couple of days ago bummed me out. :-[
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The Wither video as a whole bums me out real bad.
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The only way he could've saved himself from this situation was to apologize in a "holy shit, sorry, it was all my fault, i took it completely out of context"-kind of way.
To go out and write an ""apology"" like he did now is just stupid.
- He still think DT removed all of the MP-stuff on their site - THEY DIDN'T!!
- He thinks James was stupid because he didn't write to him an cleared out the situation in private - when Mike went out IN PUBLIC and called James a douche for not crying over MP's departure.
- He starts attacking the other DT-guys for not responding. Well, maybe they're getting a bit tired with this shit too! This reminds me when i broke up with my ex-girlfriend. She texted me for months calling me an asshole. When i stopped responding to all the crap i was receiving, eventually the shit stopped.
- He still think that everyone should be sorry for him, even though he acts like a spoiled 10-year old kid (sorry, but it's really childish). He has to remember that most Dream Theater fans like DT for the music, not because of him!
:censored
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My friend and I are in agreement. We're really glad we saw them at the Palladium this year. It was the best DT show either of us had seen and the last time we'd see them as we knew and loved them. Whether this change is for better or for worse, at least we saw that show.
That being said, is anyone else following JLB's twitter reminded of the term "send in the clowns"? I've only recently started following him, but he seems to be saying "Hey, hey over here! Solo album! Pay no attention to the DT behind the curtain! Nothing to see here!"
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Yeah, Mike Portnoy links are still on the site? What's the problem? Does he still wanted to be listed as a member of the band?
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most Dream Theater fans like DT for the music, not because of him!
I always found DT was the one band where I enjoyed the players as much as the stuff they played....
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2112 was surpassed. :tup
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most Dream Theater fans like DT for the music, not because of him!
I always found DT was the one band where I enjoyed the players as much as the stuff they played....
Agreed.
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So yeah, he really hasn't learned a thing.
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That being said, is anyone else following JLB's twitter reminded of the term "send in the clowns"? I've only recently started following him, but he seems to be saying "Hey, hey over here! Solo album! Pay no attention to the DT behind the curtain! Nothing to see here!"
God forbid he promote his new solo album and tour while DT is on break until January.
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I like how a lot of people on MP's forum are chastising that guy for saying what needed to be said to Portnoy.
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That being said, is anyone else following JLB's twitter reminded of the term "send in the clowns"? I've only recently started following him, but he seems to be saying "Hey, hey over here! Solo album! Pay no attention to the DT behind the curtain! Nothing to see here!"
God forbid he promote his new solo album and tour while DT is on break until January.
They're breaking till January? I'm surprised; how long a break did MP want???
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From Jordan's Twitter:
"Dream Theater will be having closed/private auditions for our new drummer this month. We will let u all know the moment we make a decision!"
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I like how a lot of people on MP's forum are chastising that guy for saying what needed to be said to Portnoy.
Its called Brown nosing.
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That being said, is anyone else following JLB's twitter reminded of the term "send in the clowns"? I've only recently started following him, but he seems to be saying "Hey, hey over here! Solo album! Pay no attention to the DT behind the curtain! Nothing to see here!"
God forbid he promote his new solo album and tour while DT is on break until January.
They're breaking till January? I'm surprised; how long a break did MP want???
I believe he said he wanted a year, year and a half.
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Mike response simply wasn't an apology. It was just a, "well, I'm not sorry, and I don't know why I should be saying I'm sorry, but I'm sad my fans are angry at me."
Yeah, and I also loved how the "thousands and thousands" of posts were given the classic MP "quotes" treatment. They were written by his "fans," the phonies, not his actual FANS. Even though many of those users posting-- heck, nearly all-- were longtime users of the MP forum.
This quote from Smirnoff really represents exactly what MP hasn't tackled yet, and will probably refuse to ever tackle now:
No. You STARTED it because up until now none of the DT cats have said ANYTHING negative towards you. You were the first to call James' comments "disrespectful" and all that junk. You threw the first punch here. Your "reaction" was simply inappropriate. Love you, bro, but I will call you out when it's some BS. You threw the first punch, simple as that. I think some people will also see it that way. There was no "action" from James for you to react to. He didn't say ANYTHING disrespectful towards you in a public forum.
What makes it more interesting is that Mike still hasn't acknowledged that HIS STUFF IS STILL ON DT.NET!!!
One last point: him criticizing James for NOT CALLING him to talk about things before James clarified things for HIS fans was just so painfully ironic. Did Mike call James to talk before he decided to launch his tragically unsuccessful crusade against James LaBrie and his fans? Most definitely not. The whole part of Mike's post reeked of: "I'm still pissed because James did exactly what I would have done, only James spoke like a professional, unlike me."
But as someone pointing out on MP.com, Mike's fans are now rebuking him as if he is an immature child. That, I think, is true on multiple levels, sad as it may be.
Anyway, everyone has had a time in their life where they've learned that a public figure, musician, athlete, etc., that they look up to can be a very human, imperfect, and sometimes even downright scummy person. I'm not saying MP is "scummy," but this has definitely been 'that' kind of experience for me. Sadly, this week I've seen a side of one of my favorite public figures that I never like having to see. And that person was MP.
I'm not going for a false-bravado here, really. It's just becoming harder and harder to reconcile the awesome guy who's made my night at many 'a concert with what I've seen this week.
Not much else for me to say. At this point, there's really nothing to chime in about. What Mike posted on his forum totally represents how he sees things, for better or worse-- most definitely for worse actually. I really do hope Mike will step away from the internet. We will see how he handles himself with the new drummer and new album come out.
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I like how a lot of people on MP's forum are chastising that guy for saying what needed to be said to Portnoy.
Its called Brown nosing.
I'd call it something else, but I think the the mods would probably ban me for saying it so I won't :lol
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From Jordan's Twitter:
"Dream Theater will be having closed/private auditions for our new drummer this month. We will let u all know the moment we make a decision!"
Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if it becomes the guy who wrote Mike the open letter. :lol
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From Jordan's Twitter:
"Dream Theater will be having closed/private auditions for our new drummer this month. We will let u all know the moment we make a decision!"
Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if it becomes the guy who wrote Mike the open letter. :lol
:lol :tup
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This whole situation is absurd.
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As I said earlier, I'm having trouble seeing how Mike can reconcile his sudden departure with Kevin's own, and still defend himself as self-righteously as he has. Especially since he's made such a tantrum, how could he be mad at Kevin who never said a word of negativity about him or anyone else after leaving DT?
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I probably read it too fast, but from skimming, I did not get the impression he actually comprehends excatly what he has done wrong. He is still playing the victim card.
Definitely this.
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GUYS
I'M REALLY FUCKING PISSED
RIGHT NOW
First, read my post yesterday:
Even the usual MP.com Portnoy Army isn't defending him. Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who's said-- time and time again-- that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
Now read what NICKY SPANJAARDS said on the JLB forum earlier today
Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who has said (time and time again) that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today, is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
https://www.jameslabrie.com/forum/index.php?topic=792.15
Dude. I DEFENDED HIS VOICE!
WHATTHEFUCK
>:(
Okay I'm really not upset about this, just thinks it's kinda funny. But come'on man! If you're gonna steal someone else post at least change the words around and stuff!
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You've just been plagiarized!
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GUYS
I'M REALLY FUCKING PISSED
RIGHT NOW
First, read my post yesterday:
Even the usual MP.com Portnoy Army isn't defending him. Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who's said-- time and time again-- that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
Now read what NICKY SPANJAARDS said on the JLB forum earlier today
Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who has said (time and time again) that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today, is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
https://www.jameslabrie.com/forum/index.php?topic=792.15
Dude. I DEFENDED HIS VOICE!
WHATTHEFUCK
>:(
Okay I'm really not upset about this, just thinks it's kinda funny. But come'on man! If you're gonna steal someone else post at least change the words around and stuff!
Edit your original post, add this:
©Perpetual Change, 2010
and sue him. :P
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You know, as much as Portnoy did something kind of dumb, I just want to say one thing.....
I actually feel a little bad for him. I really do think he has a good heart and I really don't think he's malicious. I think Portnoy really does cherish the relationship he has with his fans and I think he's a little embarassed and doesn't want to admit he was wrong. I mean, that's happened to ALL of us, but I feel bad for Portnoy because he did something stupid, he's famous and thousands of people are now involved.
Twenty years ago, this would have ONLY been between the guys in DT and maybe some inside friends and family or something like that, but the majority of fans would NOT have been involved. The internet has made everything so quick now and we're all so integrated with each other. I really think Portnoy just doesn't think about the consequences of posting ONLINE. He's thinking of it like, "this is my forum, you're all my friends," as if he's just talking to a group of people in a room, but what he forgets is that millions of people could potentially be reading what he's saying. Most of the time, it's OK because it's nothing controversial. But, the second you say something stupid, those millions of people are now enabled. It's like turning on a switch.
I don't think he was right at all, but I feel bad for him in the sense that he obviously seems to be embarassed, plus I really think that he believed everyone was going to side with him on the issue of him leaving the group and most people are not. So, he must feel like he has to go on the defensive, even though he really doesn't. His best bet, in my opinion, would be to just come clean and say, "Hey guys, I'm totally sorry about all this. I acted kind of dumb and .... hey, we've all been there! I wish the guys the best!" and just move on. I think that would end everything.
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GUYS
I'M REALLY FUCKING PISSED
RIGHT NOW
You've just been plagiarized!
It's the CJS forum: expect to get pirated :yarr
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That's it. I've got it screen'capped and everything. Can I get a lawyer? BOSK???
(https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff421/perpetualjoe/NICKYTHATJERK.png)
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Who's the creepy guy with the late 80's pseudo-perm on the right of the screen?
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Wow, that sucks :|
Make an account over at JLB and show them the original post?
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MP's made the right choice by stepping away from the interweb for a while.
Me too, I was kind of happy for him when I read his response to that. Sometimes you just have to leave the Internet and live in the real world. I think it actually will make him feel better because then he only can "talk" to people that he really knows, like his family, friends etc + the times he talks with his ex-band mates DT don't have to be over analyzed, scrutinized and taken in the wrong way. He doesn't have to speak to people he doesn't know over the Internet and read their comments. I really hope he can make it, just like he defeated his alcoholic disease.
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Who's the creepy guy with the late 80's pseudo-perm on the right of the screen?
That's everyone's favorite DT cover singer. Nicky S!
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As has already been said, MP's statement is in no way an apology! Geez, how can he be so blind as not to see HE was wrong! Is that too much for him to be honest? And the whole "going public" thing....I'm just disgusted!
B.Lee
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That's Nicky. Sorry. Had his website opened in the other window. Was trying to see how much money he made off his DT cover series so I could sue him for it.
Wow, that sucks :|
Make an account over at JLB and show them the original post?
Haha, thanks, but it's not that serious. :biggrin:
Who's the creepy guy with the late 80's pseudo-perm on the right of the screen?
That's everyone's favorite DT cover singer. Nicky S!
Would it be a stretch to say "The Voice of DTF?" ;D
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the only thing I got from that is that Nicky agrees with SeRoX :lol
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the only thing I got from that is that Nicky agrees with SeRoX :lol
SeRox......... :sadpanda:
I miss that guy hahaha
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the only thing I got from that is that Nicky agrees with SeRoX :lol
Lol. That's funny, because SeRox laid it into him about his vocals over there lol. But you gotta right click and view image to see it all big and stuff.
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but then on Monday, reading the Blabbermouth headlines with James insensitively proclaiming they are "not sad at all" about my departure from DT, I cannot in happy standing "promote" his solo tour....
I am so sad it's come to this, but I am even more shocked and hurt by James' completely disrespectful quote......
MP"
Oh the dramedy.
Feed the troll, Mike.
If I only cared what Mike "has to say" anymore.
The only thing I do care about is Dream Theater - looking forward to their next album and excited to see who they bring on to pound the skins.
To the rest of the people commenting on this particular thread, you have all made insightful comments. It is greatly appreciated to see the fans of DT stick this one out, remain patient and overly supportive. I know the current 4 guys of DT are appreciative as well.
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I've got a feeling JP, JLB, JM and JR have wanted this for a long, long, time.
This.
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RE: the shitstorm Mike created with regards to the JLB Blabbermouth quote
Mike stepping away from the interweb is the best thing he could do and should have done immediately after making the statement that he was departing Dream Theater.
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GUYS
I'M REALLY FUCKING PISSED
RIGHT NOW
First, read my post yesterday:
Even the usual MP.com Portnoy Army isn't defending him. Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who's said-- time and time again-- that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
Now read what NICKY SPANJAARDS said on the JLB forum earlier today
Plus, Mike Portnoy of all people is not entitled in anyway to comment on James LaBrie disrespecting him. What a joke! The guy who has said (time and time again) that he doesn't like James' voice, or that James 'sounded like shit' on x-night, or that verses need to be cut since James can't sing them anymore (even when James disagrees) or that James isn't who they'd pick if DT were hiring a vocalist today, is mad that James saying he 'isn't sad' about the future of the band is disrespectful???
https://www.jameslabrie.com/forum/index.php?topic=792.15
Dude. I DEFENDED HIS VOICE!
WHATTHEFUCK
>:(
Okay I'm really not upset about this, just thinks it's kinda funny. But come'on man! If you're gonna steal someone else post at least change the words around and stuff!
Hey lad,
Sorry that I copied it. I didn't know how to quote it, so that it why I copied and paste it. Hope you're not too upset with it...otherwise...have a beer, I owe you one! :chill
I will put your name above the text ;)
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Ya know, this has sat with me for a while, and although my disappointment in Mike's attitude as of late has left me infinitely disappointed, I tried to analyze WHY some of us feel, shall I say, almost betrayed by his rash reaction towards things. And I realized that, well, its because Mike set his bar SO damn high by being great for what has seemed like an eternity, so a sudden 180 degree twist to a more self-fulfilling mindset has left us all in a tail spin trying to figure out where it all went wrong.
So I say, Mike, go, have your day. Make decisions for number 1 for a while and explore that path and see if it satisfies you. It would be dumb of me not to admit that if anyone has earned the right to a little bit of "me" focus, its Mike. I for one can say that Mike has given us plenty in the past 25 years, so that even if he never gets back on the same path or in the same mindset, I'm happy to say that he gave me plenty. I never want to be an expectant fan. Sure, its tough when you open your hands and the faucet just floods you with all sorts of good stuff, and it can leave you scratching your head when it suddenly, without much warning, just stops. But that is life, and I'm going to learn to live with it.
The bright side is both DT and Mike will move on. And once all this blows over, it will be a sad, silly joke of the past that we can shrug off as some exposed wounds and hurt feelings. I'm not saying Mike shouldn't be held responsible for his actions, but I can say that, as of now, I simply don't care anymore. It really doesn't effect me. Not nearly as much as I initially thought it might. I'm over it. I'm sure a lot of you will come to a similar conclusion sooner or later.
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Also something worse could have happened. If Mike really was feeling burned out and didn’t have another outlet like AX7 to play music without being the <insert role he played with DT here>, he could have gone in to the studio with the DT guys in early 2011 as scheduled with negative results. He could have not given it his usual 100% all; he could have butted head with the other 4 guys on more issues; he could have not wanted to start a supporting tour… ultimately, it would have come to a head at some point. Better that it happened now, when they were already taking a few months off, than put the band in another KM post-Awake situation or something like that.
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I didn't know how to quote it
You just wrap [quote author=PerpetualChange ] [/quote] tags around the quoted text.
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^Couple of good posts.
As is this:
MP's made the right choice by stepping away from the interweb for a while.
And for the record, my disappointment with Portnoy's actions of late is definitely mixed with a lot of sympathy. I can't help but feel bad for the guy, he's in a tough spot, even if he's there mostly by his own hand.
-J
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In response to Mike Portnoy's "last" post:
Mike, for God's sake, you left the goddamn band. YOU LEFT. Instead of getting what you want by going on hiatus and basically making your bandmates find another avenue for income (which you had no problem with, because you knew you had A7X if you wanted it), you didn't do the one thing you should have:
ASKED THE DAMN BAND THAT YOU TAKE A HIATUS AND THEM BRING ON A FILL-IN FOR AN ALBUM CYCLE SO THAT YOU COULD CLEAR YOUR HEAD.
Had you actually done that, instead of what you did, none of this would have happened. You have some sort of need to feel wanted, and while that is human, you caused all of the backlash the way you have continually put yourself in the spotlight for attention.
How are you the "bad guy?" READ ABOVE. You need all this damn attention it seems. What you SHOULD HAVE DONE, is do what I said above, OR, OR...instead of releasing your own messages, had the BAND ANNOUNCE EVERYTHING, AND YOU JUST ANNOUNCE ABOUT THE NON-DT stuff.
Instead, you had to be an attention whore.
MP - I love what you did for all the fans, I love you as a drummer, and I have complete respect for you as a musician. But dude, you have a serious need for attention, and you make really stupid comments publicly because of it. If you didn't want to fully leave DT, you didn't have to. YOU made that choice by going to one extreme or another. THAT is YOUR fault. Not anyone else's.
So for God's sake, shut up now, go play with A7X, go do the projects we'll all check out, and let Dream Theater BE Dream Theater. Because frankly, DT is a LOT bigger than just Mike Portnoy. If Pink Floyd can go on without Roger, successfully, then Dream Theater can very easily go on without Mike Portnoy. That's not a shot at ya bro, it's just reality.
Go live life and enjoy the new chapter. Let time take its course. HOPEFULLY, this post finds its way to you.
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I've got a feeling JP, JLB, JM and JR have wanted this for a long, long, time.
This.
Absolutely, this. And they're very good at getting the message across subtly.
Regarding MP's reply, it boggles my mind why he would reply to individual posters' statements. The only thing he would have needed to do was to keep his fingers still. He had massive support at the beginning after his departure, and by now he's managed to lose that all. And there is nobody else to blame but him.
rumborak
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(https://www.gifsoup.com/view2/1150515/good-bye-mike-o.gif)
The GIF is awesome, but the current MP situation reminds me of this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c2etjMl3WM
rumborak
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This whole situation is just insane lol.
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The best possible choice all five members of the band could make is to have an open conference call to affirm their allegiance with each other and to kill off all this "reading-between-the-lines" crap.
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OK, this whole saga broke out suddenly. MP does seem to come across as being a bit attention-seeking. I took JLB's 'not sad at all' comment to mean: 'It's a bump in the road, but we're moving on from it', but MP *seemed* to take it as 'We're not sad, we're glad he left'.
I have enormous respect for MP as a musician, but my respect for him as a man has gone down considerably in recent weeks.
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You know, as much as Portnoy did something kind of dumb, I just want to say one thing.....
I actually feel a little bad for him. I really do think he has a good heart and I really don't think he's malicious. I think Portnoy really does cherish the relationship he has with his fans and I think he's a little embarassed and doesn't want to admit he was wrong. I mean, that's happened to ALL of us, but I feel bad for Portnoy because he did something stupid, he's famous and thousands of people are now involved.
Twenty years ago, this would have ONLY been between the guys in DT and maybe some inside friends and family or something like that, but the majority of fans would NOT have been involved. The internet has made everything so quick now and we're all so integrated with each other. I really think Portnoy just doesn't think about the consequences of posting ONLINE. He's thinking of it like, "this is my forum, you're all my friends," as if he's just talking to a group of people in a room, but what he forgets is that millions of people could potentially be reading what he's saying. Most of the time, it's OK because it's nothing controversial. But, the second you say something stupid, those millions of people are now enabled. It's like turning on a switch.
I don't think he was right at all, but I feel bad for him in the sense that he obviously seems to be embarassed, plus I really think that he believed everyone was going to side with him on the issue of him leaving the group and most people are not. So, he must feel like he has to go on the defensive, even though he really doesn't. His best bet, in my opinion, would be to just come clean and say, "Hey guys, I'm totally sorry about all this. I acted kind of dumb and .... hey, we've all been there! I wish the guys the best!" and just move on. I think that would end everything.
This is a really great post SE. :tup
Mike reacts badly to things. Always has done and always will do. Right now it's worse than usual, I guess because he is particularly hurting and because there is so much to react to. I'm not saying it justifies him at all, he was very out of line with his response to JLB's interview, ESPECIALLY because he didn't actually read or listen to the whole interview and just went by the Blabbermouth article.
However, he has apologised for that and pledged to take some time out from internet posting. I completely agree with you Snake, it seems incredibly obvious to me that he isn't a malicious person and isn't trying to hurt or upset anyone, he just doesn't know how to deal with difficult situations. I think people accusing him of "playing games" are being very unfair to him.
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It's a good thing that MP takes some time off the internet; while it's something that he should have done several weeks ago, it means something that he actually does it. Whether he pulls through or not is a different question, but let's not settle down on that too quickly.
However, I think that this apology he posted was either half-assed or one of the hardest things he ever had to bring himself to do. I'm not deciding on anything yet about that.
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"Mike Portnoy: Goodbye Cruel World....."
...Wait what?
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Probably its his dramatic way to say that he will be away from the net for a while...
I really feel sorry for Mike, seeing the way he handles all this...
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"Mike Portnoy: Goodbye Cruel World....."
...Wait what?
Being discussed here already: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17334.msg621461#msg621461
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"Mike Portnoy: Goodbye Cruel World....."
...Wait what?
Being discussed here already: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17334.msg621461#msg621461
Um, but isn't that thread supposed to be in this thread? :p
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"Mike Portnoy: Goodbye Cruel World....."
...Wait what?
Being discussed here already: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17334.msg621461#msg621461
Um, but isn't that thread supposed to be in this thread? :p
I smell a plot to a new M Night Shyamalan movie!!
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Just reading about this now.
Mike should have listened to the interview before opening his mouth. James said nothing wrong, Mike totally twisted this.
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"Mike Portnoy: Goodbye Cruel World....."
...Wait what?
Being discussed here already: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17334.msg621461#msg621461
Um, but isn't that thread supposed to be in this thread? :p
But... but...
*brainsplode*
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It's a thread that's inside a thread. Soon there will be another thread coming from that thread.
And then: Inception 2: Portnoy's Complaint
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So nothing new except we've got a lot of people wondering here at DTF?
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This is all just totally boring now.
It's like some kind of high school banter between ex-best friends. How old is Mike, 12?
He needs to go away for a bit. Look how classy the DT guys are being by not responding to any of this. They've just completely had enough of Mike, and as i've said before - it's probably been a long time coming all of this.
In any case, i'm done with the Mike Portnoy show. I couldn't care less about what's going on right now. All I care about is the future of DT - and what the band has up their sleeve for the next album.
The fans need to get over it as well. Leave the guy be.
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"Mike Portnoy: Goodbye Cruel World....."
...Wait what?
Being discussed here already: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17334.msg621461#msg621461
Um, but isn't that thread supposed to be in this thread? :p
But... but...
*brainsplode*
Thread inside a thread
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Great posts, Sam and SnakeEyes :tup
Hey lad,
Sorry that I copied it. I didn't know how to quote it, so that it why I copied and paste it. Hope you're not too upset with it...otherwise...have a beer, I owe you one! :chill
I will put your name above the text ;)
Hehe, don't worry, I'm just kidding. I'm more flattered that someone would plagiarize my opinion, since I have a certain reputation of failing around here. But not everyone would be so happy about it.
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Wait for it.....
Wait for it.....
LOLMikeProtnoy :neverusethis:
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I'm sorry, but you guys a fucking heartless. Since he left the band, whenever he posts on his forum, tweets something or update his facebook status he's getting crap. Every time I read the same thing ''He's playing the victim but he's the bad guy in this'' ''He's fucking childish'' ''He's immature''. I keep seeing people posting that they lost respect for him.
Come on. Everytime he posts something thousands of people are interpreting his words like crap. Give him a break, he's a human after all. You think it's easy to let things being discussed on internet about how you're an asshole in this story? I bet everyone would try to explain himself, and everytime he does it you're giving him crap.
I just saw the picture of him at the Roger Waters show and he seems damn happy. He went to see one the best concert of his life and we he gets home, he reads this ridiculous 'open letter' and all the crap that's going on on his forum. Just because the guy did what he thought was best for him. Fucking ridiculous.
I think we can turn the page now.
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Nic, the whole point is he needs to STOP POSTING this crap. HE needs to turn the page, not the fans.
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I'm sorry, but if the fans would have been respectul, all this would've been avoided.
He started to tweet A7X stuff and he got bullshit. That's what started it.
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I'm sorry, but if the fans would have been respectul, all this would've been avoided.
Man, we're talking about fans
It's kind of obvious they're gonna bitch and make a riot...This wouldn't have happened if MP paid less attention to the internet, I'd say.
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We all know that MP is an internet guy and reads a lot of fan's opinion. He even wrote a song about it. The fans should've known he would read everything. He just tried to defend himself, but it was 'childish' according to the fans.
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I'm sorry, but if the fans would have been respectul, all this would've been avoided.
He started to tweet A7X stuff and he got bullshit. That's what started it.
And he just simply could not let it go, that fans will be fans. Nevermind that he's talked this way about his idols before.
Expecting a grown man to have some common sense and maturity to not bitch about his daily problems on the internet is normal.
Expecting an entire online fanbase to "JUST GIVE THE MAN A BREAK ALREADY" while he continues to hormonally tweet about how sad he is-- i just don't see how that's a reasonably expectation.
Not trying to be inflammatory, just calling it like I see it. Mike brought this ALL on himself. The only thing he can do is ignore the internet now, or keep to posting positive things while ignoring the trolls.
We all know that MP is an internet guy and reads a lot of fan's opinion. He even wrote a song about it. The fans should've known he would read everything. He just tried to defend himself, but it was 'childish' according to the fans.
Of course the fans "knew" he'd read it. THEY WANTED HIM TO READ IT. lol. He lashed out at James, which was childish, and then when EVERYONE called him out on it he said he "didn't know what he had to be sorry about," which was also childish. I don't get why we should blame "the fans," because the fans are a force that can't and shouldn't be controlled. Mike only has himself to blame. Things will NOT improve for him until he realizes that his constant jumping into fan arguments makes them much, much worse.
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Well, it was. A 45+ years artist being hurt by people on the internet? Maybe MP's always been like this, but being this way was ultimately going to lead him down to this. Sooner or later, he would have felt overwhelmed by the bad responses and attitudes (hell, it's rock & roll baby!). This is life teaching him a lesson, I concur.
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Nic, the whole point is he needs to STOP POSTING this crap. HE needs to turn the page, not the fans.
I have to say, I totally agree. It kills me to me in the negative camp as far as Mikes actions go, but I can't help it, its making me cringe.
I will continue to be a Mike fan but this is the weirdest thing right now.
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"Mike Portnoy: Goodbye Cruel World....."
...Wait what?
Being discussed here already: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17334.msg621461#msg621461
Um, but isn't that thread supposed to be in this thread? :p
I smell a plot to a new M Night Shyamalan movie!!
Thank you for providing my lol of the day
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I agree that his comment on JLB's interview crossed the line, but he was given crap since he left the band.
Anyways, I don't want to get into a big debate. IMO we should stop discussing about his departure and his behavior and just let him enjoy his life. That's it.
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Yup. As soon as he stops with the attention-begging tweets, us fans will stop commenting on 'em. Can't comment on something that doesn't exist, after all ;D
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But what's the point on commenting on something you find immature?
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Sorry, I've never lived in a world where people don't talk about the things their favorite bands are currently doing.
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He's not in the band anymore. Whats's the point of bashing on a former member's behavior? That's the thing I don't understand.
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I don't see any bashing going on. I just see fans talking about their almost unanimously shared disappointment.
This is someone us fans talked about almost every day. Why would we just 'stop' because he's not in the band anymore? Especially when he refuses to leave quietly?
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Nic, what you're suggesting is really against human nature, it seems.
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I don't know, that's just me. When someone says something immature, I just don't care because I'm enough mature to take his statement and put it in the garbage because it's not worth discussing. (don't know if it makes sense, keep in mind English isn't me first language)
But I'm not saying you're are immature guys. Of course I'm not telling you to stop discussing about it (you wouldn't listen to me either if I told you so), but I don't feel the necessity of saying over and over again that Mike's behavior is childish.
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Well, I actually agree that I've been talking about this far more than is healthy.
But still there's this:
stuff
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I guess you're talking about this?
0. Says he doesn't like James' voice publically.
1. Leaves band.
2. Cry about being forced to leave.
3. Get mad over discussions of possible future drummers on his forum.
4. Delete threads with such discussions.
5. Says that the rest of the band would need to put 110% into everything they do to fill his shoes.
6. Says that it would be a tragedy if he never plays with the band again.
7. Bitch about Blabbermouth taking things out of context yet fall into their trap and remove James' tour dates.
8. Posts an apology in a half hearted way "okay fine whatever sorry".
9. Calls himself a victim.
Literally still have fans that defend him wow.
What really happened:
0. He said he wasn't into that style of singing anymore. Not that he doesn't like it.
2. He didn't cry at all. Total bullshit. He and the band said that all went down in a very friendly way.
3. He said in a polite way that it was hard for him to see discussions about the next drummer, that's why he asked to avoid the subject for now.
4. It's just normal. It's HIS forum. Like I said, he asked it in a polite way. His 'fans' should've understood how he felt.
5. He never said that.
6. It would be a tragedy because he loves DT and loves the guys, that's why it would be a tragedy. He didn't say that in an arrogant way.
7. That wasn't actually bright from MP.
8. The letter was ridiculous. What did you expect?
9. Because he is a victim of thousands of people (like you) that are bitching him.
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I'm just gonna say I disagree, and let you take up that argument with Flash if you want. 'Cuz I don't have time do this again!!!
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:lol
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I strongly suggest people read this before posting anyting else in this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17311.0
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I have a confession to make. I think this is one of the best things that could have happened to DT. As of late I had found DT boring and predictable, and their musical output interested me less and less. This development not only provides seemingly endless entertainment due to the drama factor (I was getting afraid it had already died down), but it also adds a new spark to DT, and that's good.
rumborak
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I don't share that opinion (the part about them becoming boring and predictable), but I understand that a lot of people do.
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I think a lot of things about predictability is good and I personally love the album and touring cycle they've gotten into. It means I have a new album I will more than likely enjoy every 2 years and that I'll have 2 legs of touring to get to see them after that album... I like that.
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I'm not saying this would happen, but here's a hypothetical nobody has talked about: Mike was key in providing a lot of the structure and arrangement of DT's songs. What happens if that element is suddenly removed, but a lot of other things stay the same? I.e., what if we get an album that is a JP/JR shredfest, but lacking the kind of structure and arrangement that Mike brought to the table? I mean, it would be pretty ironic if the next album came out, and people were like, "What the--MIKE, PLEASE COME BACK!!!" :lol
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I have a confession to make. I think this is one of the best things that could have happened to DT. As of late I had found DT boring and predictable, and their musical output interested me less and less. This development not only provides seemingly endless entertainment due to the drama factor (I was getting afraid it had already died down), but it also adds a new spark to DT, and that's good.
rumborak
I was just fixing to make a rare DT side post to say almost that very thing. I still maintain that we're going to get much better music from both camps, and the drama is a real hoot. Kinda like watching a drunken, white trash domestic on Cops. Now if MP would just mix in another side project with all the melodrama, all would be wonderful.
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I'm not saying this would happen, but here's a hypothetical nobody has talked about: Mike was key in providing a lot of the structure and arrangement of DT's songs. What happens if that element is suddenly removed, but a lot of other things stay the same? I.e., what if we get an album that is a JP/JR shredfest, but lacking the kind of structure and arrangement that Mike brought to the table? I mean, it would be pretty ironic if the next album came out, and people were like, "What the--MIKE, PLEASE COME BACK!!!" :lol
Yeah, Mike helped with the structures of the songs. But that doesn't mean the other members don't know anything about song structure...
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I have a confession to make. I think this is one of the best things that could have happened to DT. As of late I had found DT boring and predictable, and their musical output interested me less and less. This development not only provides seemingly endless entertainment due to the drama factor (I was getting afraid it had already died down), but it also adds a new spark to DT, and that's good.
rumborak
Man, I feel bad, but I agree completely.
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I'm not saying this would happen, but here's a hypothetical nobody has talked about: Mike was key in providing a lot of the structure and arrangement of DT's songs. What happens if that element is suddenly removed, but a lot of other things stay the same? I.e., what if we get an album that is a JP/JR shredfest, but lacking the kind of structure and arrangement that Mike brought to the table? I mean, it would be pretty ironic if the next album came out, and people were like, "What the--MIKE, PLEASE COME BACK!!!" :lol
That's where JMX and JLB enter into the picture (and maybe a producer).
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I think a lot of things about predictability is good
I'd be curious to hear why. For me the thing that makes a band like Dream Theater deliver is their ability to surprise and wow. Predictability doesn't seem to work well into that kind of style.
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I have a confession to make. I think this is one of the best things that could have happened to DT. As of late I had found DT boring and predictable, and their musical output interested me less and less. This development not only provides seemingly endless entertainment due to the drama factor (I was getting afraid it had already died down), but it also adds a new spark to DT, and that's good.
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I agree that *something* needed to shake things up a little, although I think it's too bad that things are going down the way they are. Hopefully it will result in good music from both Portnoy and DT, like Barto said.
I'm not saying this would happen, but here's a hypothetical nobody has talked about: Mike was key in providing a lot of the structure and arrangement of DT's songs. What happens if that element is suddenly removed, but a lot of other things stay the same? I.e., what if we get an album that is a JP/JR shredfest, but lacking the kind of structure and arrangement that Mike brought to the table? I mean, it would be pretty ironic if the next album came out, and people were like, "What the--MIKE, PLEASE COME BACK!!!" :lol
This is always a possibility, but with regard to your specific example, I'm confident that Petrucci, Rudess, and Myung (and possibly LaBrie, I don't know) will have no trouble structuring and arranging their music.
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Oh, I know. And I'm not predicting that will happen. I'm just saying that it would be incredibly funny given all the speculation that things will be better.
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Oh, I know. And I'm not predicting that will happen. I'm just saying that it would be incredibly funny given all the speculation that things will be better.
Well aside from behind-the-scenes videos, we don't really know how in-depth, or specifically what it is that Mike does with/for every song, so we can't be TOO sure how much of the arranging is credited to Mike and his suggestions. It could've been a third of the song, or less, or even more! But I'm willing to bet that the remaining members will now have more to say in the song's arrangements. I think JR is a great arranger, and his writing on the last five albums have been fantastic! I also think JP is a great writer, and whatever he brings to the board, the rest of the band will delightfully offer opinions on tweaking things.
I think it would be kind of silly for fans to ridicule the next album's song arrangements because we would never KNOW what Mike would've done with those songs, so we can't really compare. We also can't know how past songs would sound had Mike not suggested any creative input as far as the arrangements went. If it's a shredfest that we get, we can't really know if that's what Mike would've wanted or not. He could've wanted MORE balls and shredding than whatever we'll get... or less! The world may never know...
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I'm not saying this would happen, but here's a hypothetical nobody has talked about: Mike was key in providing a lot of the structure and arrangement of DT's songs. What happens if that element is suddenly removed, but a lot of other things stay the same? I.e., what if we get an album that is a JP/JR shredfest, but lacking the kind of structure and arrangement that Mike brought to the table? I mean, it would be pretty ironic if the next album came out, and people were like, "What the--MIKE, PLEASE COME BACK!!!" :lol
It's kind of weird, because JP and JR's past works are so wild when it comes to structure. They seem to either keep things very concise and straight forward, or go for very crazy and/or expanded structures.
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I'm not saying this would happen, but here's a hypothetical nobody has talked about: Mike was key in providing a lot of the structure and arrangement of DT's songs. What happens if that element is suddenly removed, but a lot of other things stay the same? I.e., what if we get an album that is a JP/JR shredfest, but lacking the kind of structure and arrangement that Mike brought to the table? I mean, it would be pretty ironic if the next album came out, and people were like, "What the--MIKE, PLEASE COME BACK!!!" :lol
It's kind of weird, because JP and JR's past works are so wild when it comes to structure. They seem to either keep things very concise and straight forward, or go for very crazy and/or expanded structures.
I noticed that too.
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I think a lot of things about predictability is good
I'd be curious to hear why. For me the thing that makes a band like Dream Theater deliver is their ability to surprise and wow. Predictability doesn't seem to work well into that kind of style.
well from the rest of Nick's post he seemed to be talking more about predictability in their schedule/operating as a band rather than the music, which I get.
Personally I hadn't been a fan of the last few albums, but I thought Black Clouds... was a great step forward for them. I'm curious to see what this next album will end up sounding like
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I'm not saying this would happen, but here's a hypothetical nobody has talked about: Mike was key in providing a lot of the structure and arrangement of DT's songs. What happens if that element is suddenly removed, but a lot of other things stay the same? I.e., what if we get an album that is a JP/JR shredfest, but lacking the kind of structure and arrangement that Mike brought to the table? I mean, it would be pretty ironic if the next album came out, and people were like, "What the--MIKE, PLEASE COME BACK!!!" :lol
It's kind of weird, because JP and JR's past works are so wild when it comes to structure. They seem to either keep things very concise and straight forward, or go for very crazy and/or expanded structures.
I noticed that too.
And DT's albums have always had the shorter, more concise songs, and the longer tunes which sometimes might have been padded a bit by shredfests. The ratio has varied a bit from album to album, but overall I don't expect that aspect of DT's music to change a lot.
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It's kind of weird, because JP and JR's past works are so wild when it comes to structure. They seem to either keep things very concise and straight forward, or go for very crazy and/or expanded structures.
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Sounds like a perfectly good, balanced DT album to me!
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Oh, I know. And I'm not predicting that will happen. I'm just saying that it would be incredibly funny given all the speculation that things will be better.
Well I think we are going to find out a lot about the band on the next album. We've all made assumptions about the band, if only naturally, based on what we've observed. One of the assumptions is that MP would never NOT be a member of the band...so anything is fair game now. I think that is the real drama at this time.
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"Mike Portnoy: Goodbye Cruel World....."
...Wait what?
Being discussed here already: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17334.msg621461#msg621461
Um, but isn't that thread supposed to be in this thread? :p
I smell a plot to a new M Night Shyamalan movie!!
Thank you for providing my lol of the day
:tup A service has been done today.
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It's kind of weird, because JP and JR's past works are so wild when it comes to structure. They seem to either keep things very concise and straight forward, or go for very crazy and/or expanded structures.
Sounds like a perfectly good, balanced DT album to me!
Maybe, but I'm thinking it might be just crazy and insane. Wither and Forsaken are very good but compacted song. On the other end of the spectrum, listen to the Night with Petrucci and Rudess album. Those songs are long. Or Insectsamongus by Rudess, possibly the biggest non-sequitor of a song I've ever heard (although I do like it. 2:45 - 3:03 is like the coolest thing ever)
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I think a lot of things about predictability is good
I'd be curious to hear why. For me the thing that makes a band like Dream Theater deliver is their ability to surprise and wow. Predictability doesn't seem to work well into that kind of style.
well from the rest of Nick's post he seemed to be talking more about predictability in their schedule/operating as a band rather than the music, which I get.
Bingo.
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I'm not saying this would happen, but here's a hypothetical nobody has talked about: Mike was key in providing a lot of the structure and arrangement of DT's songs. What happens if that element is suddenly removed, but a lot of other things stay the same? I.e., what if we get an album that is a JP/JR shredfest, but lacking the kind of structure and arrangement that Mike brought to the table? I mean, it would be pretty ironic if the next album came out, and people were like, "What the--MIKE, PLEASE COME BACK!!!" :lol
Yeah, Mike helped with the structures of the songs. But that doesn't mean the other members don't know anything about song structure...
That's why it was worded as a "what if" statement.
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Ya know, this has sat with me for a while, and although my disappointment in Mike's attitude as of late has left me infinitely disappointed, I tried to analyze WHY some of us feel, shall I say, almost betrayed by his rash reaction towards things. And I realized that, well, its because Mike set his bar SO damn high by being great for what has seemed like an eternity, so a sudden 180 degree twist to a more self-fulfilling mindset has left us all in a tail spin trying to figure out where it all went wrong.
So I say, Mike, go, have your day. Make decisions for number 1 for a while and explore that path and see if it satisfies you. It would be dumb of me not to admit that if anyone has earned the right to a little bit of "me" focus, its Mike. I for one can say that Mike has given us plenty in the past 25 years, so that even if he never gets back on the same path or in the same mindset, I'm happy to say that he gave me plenty. I never want to be an expectant fan. Sure, its tough when you open your hands and the faucet just floods you with all sorts of good stuff, and it can leave you scratching your head when it suddenly, without much warning, just stops. But that is life, and I'm going to learn to live with it.
The bright side is both DT and Mike will move on. And once all this blows over, it will be a sad, silly joke of the past that we can shrug off as some exposed wounds and hurt feelings. I'm not saying Mike shouldn't be held responsible for his actions, but I can say that, as of now, I simply don't care anymore. It really doesn't effect me. Not nearly as much as I initially thought it might. I'm over it. I'm sure a lot of you will come to a similar conclusion sooner or later.
Well said, all the curent Mike haters will be the same one's cheering like crazy when he makes his return in a year.
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I sincerely hope he doesn't return, and if he does return, not for a long while and only if the new drummer needs to leave or dies or something.
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I sincerely hope he doesn't return, and if he does return, not for a long while and only if the new drummer needs to leave or dies or something.
I don't care what he has said since this he quit. I wish he'd come back tomorrow!
I watched a video of him playing with A7X, and I have to say, he looks like there grampa playing with them. He looks out of place. Its silly to me.
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Ya know, this has sat with me for a while, and although my disappointment in Mike's attitude as of late has left me infinitely disappointed, I tried to analyze WHY some of us feel, shall I say, almost betrayed by his rash reaction towards things. And I realized that, well, its because Mike set his bar SO damn high by being great for what has seemed like an eternity, so a sudden 180 degree twist to a more self-fulfilling mindset has left us all in a tail spin trying to figure out where it all went wrong.
So I say, Mike, go, have your day. Make decisions for number 1 for a while and explore that path and see if it satisfies you. It would be dumb of me not to admit that if anyone has earned the right to a little bit of "me" focus, its Mike. I for one can say that Mike has given us plenty in the past 25 years, so that even if he never gets back on the same path or in the same mindset, I'm happy to say that he gave me plenty. I never want to be an expectant fan. Sure, its tough when you open your hands and the faucet just floods you with all sorts of good stuff, and it can leave you scratching your head when it suddenly, without much warning, just stops. But that is life, and I'm going to learn to live with it.
The bright side is both DT and Mike will move on. And once all this blows over, it will be a sad, silly joke of the past that we can shrug off as some exposed wounds and hurt feelings. I'm not saying Mike shouldn't be held responsible for his actions, but I can say that, as of now, I simply don't care anymore. It really doesn't effect me. Not nearly as much as I initially thought it might. I'm over it. I'm sure a lot of you will come to a similar conclusion sooner or later.
Well said, all the curent Mike haters will be the same one's cheering like crazy when he makes his return in a year.
There will be no return.
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At first I went "oh shit", than I was like "about time". I'm hoping now we won't get crap like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSgZm0LqOcs&NR=1
May is a month between April and June.
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That ''meeeeei'' sounded amazing, too bad it didn't end up on the album.
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(https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii324/jawkjaw/mixed%20bag/971-1.jpg)
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I think a lot of things about predictability is good
I'd be curious to hear why. For me the thing that makes a band like Dream Theater deliver is their ability to surprise and wow. Predictability doesn't seem to work well into that kind of style.
well from the rest of Nick's post he seemed to be talking more about predictability in their schedule/operating as a band rather than the music, which I get.
Bingo.
That was a poor use of predictability, Nick. You get an F.
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Oh, I know. And I'm not predicting that will happen. I'm just saying that it would be incredibly funny given all the speculation that things will be better.
Well I think we are going to find out a lot about the band on the next album. We've all made assumptions about the band, if only naturally, based on what we've observed. One of the assumptions is that MP would never NOT be a member of the band...so anything is fair game now. I think that is the real drama at this time.
This is the precise reason why I don't want MP to come back. He's been the foundation on which Dream Theater has rested for around a quarter of a century. Now I'm really eager to see what happens when that foundation is taken out from under them, for better or worse (or neither, if that be the case).
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Ya know, this has sat with me for a while, and although my disappointment in Mike's attitude as of late has left me infinitely disappointed, I tried to analyze WHY some of us feel, shall I say, almost betrayed by his rash reaction towards things. And I realized that, well, its because Mike set his bar SO damn high by being great for what has seemed like an eternity, so a sudden 180 degree twist to a more self-fulfilling mindset has left us all in a tail spin trying to figure out where it all went wrong.
So I say, Mike, go, have your day. Make decisions for number 1 for a while and explore that path and see if it satisfies you. It would be dumb of me not to admit that if anyone has earned the right to a little bit of "me" focus, its Mike. I for one can say that Mike has given us plenty in the past 25 years, so that even if he never gets back on the same path or in the same mindset, I'm happy to say that he gave me plenty. I never want to be an expectant fan. Sure, its tough when you open your hands and the faucet just floods you with all sorts of good stuff, and it can leave you scratching your head when it suddenly, without much warning, just stops. But that is life, and I'm going to learn to live with it.
The bright side is both DT and Mike will move on. And once all this blows over, it will be a sad, silly joke of the past that we can shrug off as some exposed wounds and hurt feelings. I'm not saying Mike shouldn't be held responsible for his actions, but I can say that, as of now, I simply don't care anymore. It really doesn't effect me. Not nearly as much as I initially thought it might. I'm over it. I'm sure a lot of you will come to a similar conclusion sooner or later.
Well said, all the curent Mike haters will be the same one's cheering like crazy when he makes his return in a year.
There will be no return.
I'm still trying to fathom why I stated my disappointment disappointed me :lol
I'm by no means excusing Mike's actions. I simply don't care anymore. I'm not really concerned either way about his return, honestly. It is what it is. I'm done with the emotional investment in this, as it only leads to negativity.
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Idk, maybe I'm wrong, but I think we're putting too much time on Mike's reactions instead of Dream Theater's future. I think that whatever they produce next will be awesome.
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One can only hope! I won't miss MP's terrible vocals on studio albums though. Live -no problem but on the albums? I think his ego definitely got the better of him. Maybe this will be dream theater next instead of mike portnoy theater.
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I don't think MP dominated creativity to the point where it became "Mike Portnoy Dream Theater."
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I don't care anymore. If MP never comes back, I won't lose any sleep, as long as the other 4 guys keep making albums, I'm sure I'll be happy.
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I was talking about Mike with a good friend who was over my house for dinner with his wife last night. We had not spoke about the whole thing since the day it transpired, and he has no interest in following the drama at all, so he knows not what has transpired. He just shook his head when I told him how ugly it is getting.
I honestly wholeheartedly believed after his interview with Eddie Truck that he would be back after an album without him. I now fear that he has created a monster and burned his bridges. Now I'm not so sure he will return. Money always plays a factor in these things and now I think his future with DT may rest on the success of the record without him. If its a huge hit and the tour sells well, I think that may spell his permanent departure.
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tick, I know you are among the many fans who have trouble envisioning Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy, but I just don't see where the concept of him coming back, after one album or ever, even comes from. The number of times someone has left a band and then returned is very, very small. I'm not talking about leaving for a couple days because there was an argument; I'm talking about leaving for at least an album and a tour, then returning to the lineup. It was never more than wishful thinking that he would come back, and as you point out, the odds are already getting shorter every day.
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I sincerely hope he doesn't return, and if he does return, not for a long while and only if the new drummer needs to leave or dies or something.
Spontaneousness combustion on stage.
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tick, I know you are among the many fans who have trouble envisioning Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy, but I just don't see where the concept of him coming back, after one album or ever, even comes from. The number of times someone has left a band and then returned is very, very small. I'm not talking about leaving for a couple days because there was an argument; I'm talking about leaving for at least an album and a tour, then returning to the lineup. It was never more than wishful thinking that he would come back, and as you point out, the odds are already getting shorter every day.
Well, I just thought he sounded so melancholy in the Eddie Truck interview, and he almost seemed like he wanted back in at some point. That was just my take from what I heard.
His hurts however have put him in a place that have made his POSSIBLE return a less likely scenario. I was convinced he would be back when he left. Now, I don't really think he will, but I wouldn't rule it out. As I said, I believe the fans will help make that decision by what transpires in the coming months.
Whatever happens, I want to remain a Mike fan as he was my favorite member, but if his future winds up being the full time drummer for AV7 that will cease to be the case for me. At that point I would just wait to see what side projects he does.
Now we are all left to wonder if the band feels a weight lift off them from his departure? A part of me thinks this is the case.
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tick, I know you are among the many fans who have trouble envisioning Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy, but I just don't see where the concept of him coming back, after one album or ever, even comes from. The number of times someone has left a band and then returned is very, very small. I'm not talking about leaving for a couple days because there was an argument; I'm talking about leaving for at least an album and a tour, then returning to the lineup. It was never more than wishful thinking that he would come back, and as you point out, the odds are already getting shorter every day.
Well, I just thought he sounded so melancholy in the Eddie Truck interview, and he almost seemed like he wanted back in at some point. That was just my take from what I heard.
First of all, I thought Eddie was nigh useless in that interview, in the sense that he said just about anything MP wanted to hear to make him feel better. That is, he was so ridiculously siding with Mike, there was just little base in reality for that siding.
And yeah, I agree with that Mike seemed to harbor the (semi-)unspoken wish to return to DT soon, maybe after one album. I really wonder whether he's sitting at home wondering wtf happened in the last month and how it made it ever so more difficult o return.
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Well, Eddie and Portnoy are good friends, so I it was a given that Eddie wasn't going to ask any really hard questions.
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Well, Eddie and Portnoy are good friends, so I it was a given that Eddie wasn't going to ask any really hard questions.
I agree, but that doesn't mean that Mikes answers had to indicate he would like to possibly return someday. He made it seem that the fact the band wanted to move forward in there careers in 2011, he sadly had no choice but to quit. Now his anger at the fact they are excited for the future is mind boggling. Does he really expect them to wear Black and mourn for the appropriate time period?
He needs to remind himself everyday that he quit. He was not fired. Those guys did nothing wrong.
I said it before, if I was in his shoes and did the work he has done I might expect my request to be granted, but it wouldn't make me right.
When I quit my band, I think the remaining members were sad they lost a hell of a front man who thrived on entertaining the audience as well as being a good vocalist, but I also think they were a bit relieved that there world didn't revolve around me anymore. I was demanding and I wanted things my way. Admittedly I was wrong. I think they knew my replacement wasn't as good as I was, but I think they loved the fact they were now the ones calling all the shots. I also became a friend of the guy who replaced me and always showed him my support.
There were no hard feelings in the end, and I still love the guys I spent 6 years playing with.
Not that you guys give a shit about my story, but I just wanted to share.
I guess what I'm saying is I can relate to this whole saga on some level. I have since apologized for being so difficult at times.
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Not that you guys give a shit about my story,
Nah tick, that was a nice story! :)
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Not that you guys give a shit about my story,
Do you REALLY have to say that dude? I mean, look at Zook, he posts some random stories and the majority of people on here probably don't read them because well... he's Zook, but he doesn't care. This is a fuckin internet forum, people post pointless shit all the time. Get over it if no one reads what you said every once in awhile. Shit, I don't even know if you're going to read this. I meant all of this in a very positive way, my friend. Although I don't always agree with some of the things you say, I have read many of your posts.
ANYWAY,
I'm actually REALLY excited to hear what will come of this now, especially with Myung learning how to speak again.
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Now wait a minute, man.
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I'm pretty sure that's how it is.
Don't worry Zook, I read and enjoy your posts. :tup
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Only because you have to :neverusethis:
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Not that you guys give a shit about my story,
Do you REALLY have to say that dude? I mean, look at Zook, he posts some random stories and the majority of people on here probably don't read them because well... he's Zook, but he doesn't care. This is a fuckin internet forum, people post pointless shit all the time. Get over it if no one reads what you said every once in awhile. Shit, I don't even know if you're going to read this. I meant all of this in a very positive way, my friend. Although I don't always agree with some of the things you say, I have read many of your posts.
ANYWAY,
I'm actually REALLY excited to hear what will come of this now, especially with Myung learning how to speak again.
Well, I guess I just feel like people will think I'm full of my self when I post a story about myself pertaining to the Dream Theater situation, but I was just telling a life experience that helps me relate personally to the current DT saga. :tup
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Actually, tick, it helps us to know where you're coming from, especially since your situation was very similar. I post possibly-boring personal shit all the time. People can skip it if they want, or read it.
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Not that you guys give a shit about my story,
Do you REALLY have to say that dude? I mean, look at Zook, he posts some random stories and the majority of people on here probably don't read them because well... he's Zook, but he doesn't care. This is a fuckin internet forum, people post pointless shit all the time. Get over it if no one reads what you said every once in awhile. Shit, I don't even know if you're going to read this. I meant all of this in a very positive way, my friend. Although I don't always agree with some of the things you say, I have read many of your posts.
ANYWAY,
I'm actually REALLY excited to hear what will come of this now, especially with Myung learning how to speak again.
Yeah c'mon guys, I think Zook is a cool guy. Eh kills aliens and dosen't afraid of anything.
Wat.
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That was a very interesting story, tick, and it brings a possible perspective on how it could have been with MP because the situation was similar in some kind of way.
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I know he's a cool guy, he's my brother, one of my best friends and one of my heroes.
:2metal: Zook :2metal:
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :biggrin:
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"Former Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy has announced that he will continue touring with Avenged Sevenfold throughout next year.
While initial plans were for Portnoy to tour with the band until the end of 2010. However, the drummer confirmed in a recent interview with Sabian Cymbals that he will continue with the band after the Rock Star Uproar Tour and complete the full touring cycle."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_to_stay_with_avenged_sevenfold_in_2011.html
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"Former Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy has announced that he will continue touring with Avenged Sevenfold throughout next year.
While initial plans were for Portnoy to tour with the band until the end of 2010. However, the drummer confirmed in a recent interview with Sabian Cymbals that he will continue with the band after the Rock Star Uproar Tour and complete the full touring cycle."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_to_stay_with_avenged_sevenfold_in_2011.html
Oh here we go...
I mean, at least he's going to be doing SOMETHING. Although I'd rather see him record/tour with Neal Morse (either solo or with Transatlantic), or at least do something else. Any idea how much longer the "full touring cycle' will be? I suppose this kicks any fans' hopes that he'll "realize his mistake" and rejoin them in January.
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Glad to see he'll be keeping busy. Good for him.
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Glad to see he'll be keeping busy. Good for him.
Me too, except this kind of conflicts with his original intentions of wanting to take a break and recharge, but perhaps his need to stay busy has allowed him to continue touring with A7X into next year.
He also seems to reaffirm his musical and personal connections with the members of A7X a couple of times. Good for him. I think that's very important and I wonder if it'll eventually lead them, and him, to record another album together.
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I think some people aren't realizing what MP meant by a break. He meant he needed a break from DT not from touring per se . MP has said that whenever he played with Hail or TA or A7X there was a different vibe and it was a lot of fun compared to being with the guys from DT.
Him wanting to take a break wasnt about being exhausted physically it was about him not being able to fully commit to the band on a mental level. I guess he's alluded to the fact that he's had no emotional connection to making new DT music of late.
So taking a break from DT was to recharge his love and passion for DT on all levels. The other guys in the band disagreed and they didn't echo his sentiments or feelings and decided to move on. I think maybe MP felt hurt that they didn't feel the same way as him.
These are how I see things went down in the DT camp. I don't harbor any ill will towards MP for taking a break or the other guys for wanting to continue without him even though it feels strange.
In the end I think all of them went ahead with what their heart told them to. Regardless of who they may have/have not disappointed.
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Right, he wanted a break from Dream Theater. Is it me, or does it seem more and more like they needed a break from him?
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The feeling was probably mutual.
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The feeling was probably mutual.
Absolutely.
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Really hard to tell, at least for me. Many things don't come out public and what we are seeing in the public may just be a piece of the whole situation. So I guess it's hard to gauge who was tired of who.
James said in his usedbin interview that he never saw the signs of MP's lack of interest that MP said started more than a year ago. To James it was a shock when MP told the band of how he's been feeling.
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"Former Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy has announced that he will continue touring with Avenged Sevenfold throughout next year.
While initial plans were for Portnoy to tour with the band until the end of 2010. However, the drummer confirmed in a recent interview with Sabian Cymbals that he will continue with the band after the Rock Star Uproar Tour and complete the full touring cycle."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_to_stay_with_avenged_sevenfold_in_2011.html
Surprised this does not make me
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I think some people aren't realizing what MP meant by a break. He meant he needed a break from DT not from touring per se . MP has said that whenever he played with Hail or TA or A7X there was a different vibe and it was a lot of fun compared to being with the guys from DT.
Him wanting to take a break wasnt about being exhausted physically it was about him not being able to fully commit to the band on a mental level. I guess he's alluded to the fact that he's had no emotional connection to making new DT music of late.
(more good stuff)
The thing is, if he wasn't thrilled by how things were with DT lately, he was the one most in the position to change it. Start off writing sessions by jamming for a while, reconnecting with each other musically as well as personally? No! We now write songs and then go into the studio. Shake things up a little bit in terms of writing? Maybe bring in JLB earlier in the process? Maybe get JM's input? No! This is how the writing works now.
But I'm soooo tired of this and need a break!
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Glad to see he'll be keeping busy. Good for him.
Me too, except this kind of conflicts with his original intentions of wanting to take a break and recharge, but perhaps his need to stay busy has allowed him to continue touring with A7X into next year.
He also seems to reaffirm his musical and personal connections with the members of A7X a couple of times. Good for him. I think that's very important and I wonder if it'll eventually lead them, and him, to record another album together.
-Marc.
It's hard to judge this decision as conflicting with his statements. Had the DT break actually happened would he have agreed to continue on with A7X? We'll never know. I think its anything he does now can't be compared against statements he made previously. It's a totally different situation he is in now.
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The thing is, if he wasn't thrilled by how things were with DT lately, he was the one most in the position to change it. Start off writing sessions by jamming for a while, reconnecting with each other musically as well as personally? No! We now write songs and then go into the studio. Shake things up a little bit in terms of writing? Maybe bring in JLB earlier in the process? Maybe get JM's input? No! This is how the writing works now.
But I'm soooo tired of this and need a break!
I hear what you're saying and understand what you're getting at. But really there is no right or wrong way this should or could have been handled. And who knows what the exact details of what went on, what they wanted to do to, how they wanted to shake things up so they don't feel stale or out of ideas.
You're saying that "if he wasn't thrilled by how things were with DT lately, he was the one most in the position to change it." By the looks of it James & JP have stated that they didn't feel the same way. They wanted to write again and felt they weren't in a slump and were excited to get into the studio to record another album.
Whether MP was right or wrong at this point frankly I don't care and I've moved on from it now.
MP has said it wasn't a rash decision and this was on his mind even before he joined A7X. We'll just have to wait and see how things unfold.
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The announcement that he will play 2011 just confirmed what we already knew.
Just waitin' for DT to announce the new drummer then A7X can make their statement saying MP is permanent.
Nostradamus effect here.
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You're saying that "if he wasn't thrilled by how things were with DT lately, he was the one most in the position to change it." By the looks of it James & JP have stated that they didn't feel the same way. They wanted to write again and felt they weren't in a slump and were excited to get into the studio to record another album.
We don't and never will know exactly how the dynamics worked in Dream Theater up until Mike's departure, but the general public perception is that Mike had a large say in how things were, and therefore could have worked to move things in a different direction if he didn't like it.
For all we know, JP and JR have been slowly taking control of things, moving them in a direction that Mike wasn't happy with, and Mike has been saying "We now do it this way" because "we" applies to the whole band and Mike was just the one doing the talking. Mike did express some discontent months ago, before this all blew up. There could have been tension building up within the band for a long time, with Mike just putting a happy face on things. Until now.
Actually, wow, that doesn't sound as ridiculous as I first thought.
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"Waging a war inside my head"
That quote seemed ideal for the above.
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Just waitin' for DT to announce the new drummer then A7X can make their statement saying MP is permanent.
I still don't see that happening. He and A7X may be buddies now, but I dunno, I can't see A7X running with MP forever.
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The age gap may catch up to them, but I honestly can't see anyone else joining them. They will only keep going with Mike. That's my opinion anyway.
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The age gap may catch up to them, but I honestly can't see anyone else joining them. They will only keep going with Mike. That's my opinion anyway.
Yea, despite how young portnoy acts, the age thing will make itself known.
"Hey what are you guys doing this weekend?"
"Whores, booze, pills, parties, the usual, you?"
"....taking my children to the zoo.....then remodelling the kitchen with my wife, we got a knew crock pot, it's amazing"
"................pot?"
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I can't seem them keeping Mike for longer than the ending of the tour, and I don't think Mike would want that anyway.
rumborak
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I can't even imagine what will happen when Portnoy starts having kidney stones and hip replacements
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I can't even imagine what will happen when Portnoy starts having kidney stones and hip replacements
Well I think we're still a few decades away from that. I'd worry more about JR.
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I can't even imagine what will happen when Portnoy starts having kidney stones and hip replacements
Well I think we're still a few decades away from that. I'd worry more about JR.
Eh, not the kidney stone part. My 18 year old brother just had one. But, yeah, JR is definately the risk factor
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Oh, I meant more the hip part.
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The age gap may catch up to them, but I honestly can't see anyone else joining them. They will only keep going with Mike. That's my opinion anyway.
Yea, despite how young portnoy acts, the age thing will make itself known.
"Hey what are you guys doing this weekend?"
"Whores, booze, pills, parties, the usual, you?"
"....taking my children to the zoo.....then remodelling the kitchen with my wife, we got a knew crock pot, it's amazing"
"................pot?"
hahaha :clap:
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As old dudes go, JR seems like he's in good shape. He might be the first to go down, but he's still got a ways to go.
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Maybe Trivett Wingo left The Sword to audition for Dream Theater?
:neverusethis:
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As old dudes go, JR seems like he's in good shape. He might be the first to go down, but he's still got a ways to go.
Makes it sound like they're constantly being hunted by a bear or something :lol
....which, of course, they are....
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The next album will be called Dream Theater.
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The next album will be called Dream Theater.
I think that's a killer idea.
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Agreed. Good choice. That would really stick it to the guy :lol
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The next album will be called Dream Theater.
I've actually thought that the next album could indeed be a self titled.
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The next album will be called Dream Theater.
I've actually thought that the next album could indeed be a self titled.
That'd be a cool idea on a lot of levels - like going "Right, Mike's gone, but we're still Dream Theater." But for some reason I think it's a little bit odd for a band to be releasing a self-titled album so far into their career. Plus, I'm not sure if it'd be hammering the point home a little too earnestly. "We're Dream Theater! Honestly!"
I quite like the excitement of hearing an album title, anyway. They could play with their band name to an extent. "Circus of Nightmares" or something, just so the implication's there. I think it's probably a bit too late in the day for a self-title to sound particularly natural, though.
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A lot of bands do that after a major lineup change. Reaffirming that it's still the same band, or stating that they're reinventing the band now. Or maybe a little of each.
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The next album will be called Dream Theater.
inb4 Stratovarius reference.
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"Circus of Nightmares"
in b4 KISS reference
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They should call the next album Nightmare Cinema so the A7X fans can say that Dream Theater copied their album title. It'll be fun.
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I like the angle that it is a reaffirmation that the band is still alive, and that not even something this big could stop it, as the band is now bigger then the contributions of any single member. It transcends the musicians and is kept alive by us, the fans.
Obviously Mike would see it as a big slap in the face, but honestly, I think it's the genius the more it sits with me.
I think we should garner some mutual board support and let the powers that be know where we are at.
Who knows. Fans have a larger impact on the output of an artist today more then ever before (thanks internet).
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The next album will be called Dream Theater.
:rollin
and what, have the band on the cover, in black & white, looking tough? (except for JR, sorry)
i think a lot of fans would just go "really? cmon" if it was self titled.
it should be called "Dream Theater - Goes to the Rodeo" or "Dream Theater Goes to Prison" or something like that (goes to, does this/that, etc... haha)
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I've thought about a self-titled album too. But I think that if the album was self-titled, it should represent DT's music well. Stratovarius' self-titled album was quite different compared to their other releases so it's quite strange that they named it after the band. DT's self-titled album should have all the elements of their music; heavy, mellow, epic, simple. Just like SFAM and 6DOIT!
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I found the new replacement drummer for Dream Theater:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
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The next album will be called Dream Theater.
inb4 Stratovarius reference.
Not quite the same. Tolkki returned for that album.
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I think it's a little bit odd for a band to be releasing a self-titled album so far into their career.
Spock's Beard's ninth album is self-titled, for one example.
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I found the new replacement drummer for Dream Theater:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
About 20 people did before you.
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I think it's a little bit odd for a band to be releasing a self-titled album so far into their career.
Spock's Beard's ninth album is self-titled, for one example.
The Beatles self titled album was nearly their last.
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True. The album is called "The White Album" but that's a description, not the title. The title of the album is The Beatles.
Fleetwood Mac's first album was self-titled, then their ninth album was self-titled as well, when they re-invented themselves in the 70's with Buckingham and Nicks (a lot of people actually think it is their first album). Before that, they were more of a blues band that started in the 60's.
Chicago's first and second albums were both technically self-titled. The band was originally The Chicago Transit Authority, and that was the name of their first album. Then the real CTA threatened to sue (because it's so easy to confuse a rock band with a bus company) so they shortened the band name to Chicago, which is what they named their second album.
Stone Temple Pilots' latest album, their sixth, is self-titled. This may have been a "statement" in that the band had broken up for like eight or nine years and was back. Also, their sound has changed a lot, but it's the same four guys, so maybe it was also something of a reassurance that's it's still them.
Peter Gabriel's first four albums are all self-titled. They are all Peter Gabriel. He said that the idea was to make them like issues of a magazine. Name in the corner, same font, just different pictures. They had to name the fourth one Security in the U.S. because Americans are so easily confused.
The album commonly referred to as "Led Zeppelin IV" has no title, or if it does, the title is the four glyphs. There is no writing anywhere on the outside cover, including the spine. The label on the record itself was the standard Atlantic orange and green, with Led Zeppelin and then the four glyphs where the name of the album goes.
And so on.
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I found the new replacement drummer for Dream Theater:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
:lol :lol
All I could think that entire time was that if Chris Farley knew how to play the drums, that's what he'd look like playing them.
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I found the new replacement drummer for Dream Theater:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
:lol :lol
All I could think that entire time was that if Chris Farley knew how to play the drums, that's what he'd look like playing them.
SO TRUE!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I think it's a little bit odd for a band to be releasing a self-titled album so far into their career.
Spock's Beard's ninth album is self-titled, for one example.
The Beatles self titled album was nearly their last.
Oh yeah! And there's Metallica's Black Album, of course. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. It's just that I personally tend to find it a wee bit contrived. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more late STs than debuts. I'm a stickler for trivia, so I tend to find the title very conspicuous by absence.
Spock's Beard, for one, strikes me as a fairly strangely-timed self-title. I'm not sure why they did it. There's nothing more inherently Spock's Beard-y, and there are definitely people who'd argue that they've changed a lot, given their lead songwriter's absence. Even if Feel Euphoria were called Spock's Beard, which would be making a really dramatic statement in the absence of NM, it'd strike me as contrived and a little earnest, but when it arrives a couple of albums later it seems to be just "for the sake of it."
It's harder to judge The White Album and The Black Album, as they've got more historical significance. They're almost musical "facts," to me. I can't say I was listening to much metal when Metallica's ST came out.
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The next album will be called Dream Theater.
NOOOOO! I find this to be WAY to cheesy. Besides, I'm sure they could come up with a delicious album name that will lay down the musical and thematic path for the album to follow.
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I found the new replacement drummer for Dream Theater:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
About 20 people did before you.
POW!
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Prophets of War?
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Dream Theater - We Couldn't Think Of A Title Either
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i think a lot of fans would just go "really? cmon" if it was self titled.
it should be called "Dream Theater - Goes to the Rodeo" or "Dream Theater Goes to Prison" or something like that (goes to, does this/that, etc... haha)
(https://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/135184-jim_varney.jpg)
-J
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Dream Theater - Scared Stupid
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Dream Theater - Shark Sandwich
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Dream Theater - F**K My Life
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Dream Theater - Shark Sandwich
Woah wtf, have you been reading the admin board? :lol
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Dream Theater - We're Gonna Fuck This Up Anyway
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Dream Theater - Mike Who?
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Dream Theater- trololololo
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Hey bloop, how's bleep?
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Hey bloop, how's bleep?
Album starts with a JR solo. A slow and steady 15 second tone increase on Bebot.
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If they name it Shark Sandwich, they better be prepared for a two-word review in Rolling Stone.
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:lol
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I think it oughtta be called Sour Grapes..... I bet that goes down like a pork pie at a bar mitzvah.... :corn
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I think it should be called Finally Free. :biggrin: :hat
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Ouch :lol
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It should be called "...But I had a pen and some paper, so what the f*ck"
It would be a huge commercial success.
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It should be called "...But I had a pen and some paper, so what the f*ck"
It would be a huge commercial success.
Dream Theater - Keep It Spooky
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Dream Theater - The Exaggerator
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I think it should be called Finally Free. :biggrin: :hat
I shudder at the thought of all those overzealous fanbois trying to make a connection to Metropolis and SFAM and declaring the album "Metropolis, Pt. 3" because of the title...
(Although I totally see what you're trying to say :neverusethis:)
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I think it should be called Finally Free. :biggrin: :hat
I love you, man.
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DT's next album: Spontaneous Combustion
(for all you Spinal Tap fans)
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Dream Theater - Shark Sandwich
Woah wtf, have you been reading the admin board? :lol
:lol
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I think it should be called Finally Free. :biggrin: :hat
(https://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5412/1254569426412.jpg)
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Dream Theater - Operation: Camel Drop
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DT's next album: Spontaneous Combustion
(for all you Spinal Tap fans)
Spinal Tap has already been referenced.
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MIKE PORTNOY LEFT DREAM THEATER :o
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MIKE PORTNOY LEFT DREAM THEATER :o
WHAT IS THIS!!! STOP THE PRESSES! WE NEED TO MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT NOW!!!
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Dream Theater - Now With 33% Less Facial Hair
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:rollin
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Dream Theater - Now With 33% Less Facial Hair
And 98% less tattoos.
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Dream Theater: Less ass, balls and nuggets
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Dream Theater - May Contain Traces Of Myung
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Dream Theater - May Contain Traces Of Myung
:rollin
Brilliant!
Mad props awarded.
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Dream Theater - May Contain Traces Of Myung
:rollin
Brilliant!
Mad props awarded.
Motion seconded! My keyboard is now sprayed in coffee..... :lol
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Dream Theater - Twitter is Not for Conflicts, just Sayin'
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Dream Theater - Back from Auschwitz and a few pounds lighter.
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Dream Theater - Everyone Chill the F$@# Out, We Got This
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Dream Theater - The Album Where We Express Our Grief Through Ragtime Solos
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Dream Theatre. Just to **** with everyone.
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Dream Theater - Did He Ever See The Red Light?
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Dream Theater - No, Steve Jobs is not paying us for promoting iPad
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Dream Theater - Theater Of Dreams
-Marc.
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Dream Theater - Dream Theatre
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Dream Theater - Fuck this Shit, We're doing Salsa
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Dream Theater - None More Black.
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Dream Theater - Live from the Jungles of Korea
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Dream Theater - OMG What Have I Started!
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Dream Theater - No, Steve Jobs is not paying us for promoting iPad
Dream Theater - iProg
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Dream Theater - OMG What Have I Done
Dream Theater - Now My Darling Put Your Clothes Back On
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Dream Theater - A Change of Seas- oh wait.
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Dream Theater - Dream Theatre
Dream Theatre. Just to **** with everyone.
(https://oi27.tinypic.com/jzwmjl.jpg)
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Dream Theater - OMG What Have I Done
Dream Theater - Now My Darling Put Your Clothes Back On
*Owned like a champion*
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From James LaBrie's twitter:
"Hey Everyone, We begin auditions today. Should be a day of mixed emotions, but at the same time exciting and spirited. Stay tuned, James."
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So it has begun.
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This thread should stay sticky and open until we find out who the new drummer is.
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This thread will stay a sticky as long as the mods think it should be.
From James LaBrie's twitter:
"Hey Everyone, We begin auditions today. Should be a day of mixed emotions, but at the same time exciting and spirited. Stay tuned, James."
Cool. I hope that the auditions won't take too long.
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You're a bad-ass.
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Should be like Americas got Talent with the buzzer et all. The Hoff + JP = Awesome. With introductory interviews by Springer of course.
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This thread should stay sticky and open until we find out who the new drummer is.
Sticky and open is rarely a good combination, but in this case I agree.
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From James LaBrie's twitter:
"Hey Everyone, We begin auditions today. Should be a day of mixed emotions, but at the same time exciting and spirited. Stay tuned, James."
Good thing Mike decided to take a break from the internet.
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This thread should stay sticky and open until we find out who the new drummer is.
Sticky and open is rarely a good combination, but in this case I agree.
:eyebrows:
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"I JUST CANT BELIEVE THEY ARE EXCITED AND SPIRITED TO FIND A NEW DRUMMER... I FEEL BETRAYED, I FEEL ELATED, I FEEL DEPRESSED... ITS LIKE THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR SOMEONE TO FUCK MY WIFE!"
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"I JUST CANT BELIEVE THEY ARE EXCITED AND SPIRITED TO FIND A NEW DRUMMER... I FEEL BETRAYED, I FEEL ELATED, I FEEL DEPRESSED... ITS LIKE THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR SOMEONE TO FUCK MY WIFE!"
:lol
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:rollin
Good to know the auditions have started. God, I can't imagine how awesome it is to the drummers - they all get some time to play with Dream Theater. Rock on, guys! :metal
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So, two solid pages of nothing but joke posts that contribute zero to the topic. Awesome. Another good thread headed for a lock. Congrats, guys.
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I was thinking that this has become a bit of a chat thread. There doesn't seem to be much to talk about now that Mike has banned himself from the net. And since the rest of the guys are moving forward, we can discuss future developments, such as the drum auditions, in the appropriate thread(s).
But I think this forum has too many stickied threads anyway :biggrin:
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There doesn't really seem to be any need for it. Anything useful that comes up in another thread can be posted in Nick's update thread.
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"I JUST CANT BELIEVE THEY ARE EXCITED AND SPIRITED TO FIND A NEW DRUMMER... I FEEL BETRAYED, I FEEL ELATED, I FEEL DEPRESSED... ITS LIKE THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR SOMEONE TO FUCK MY WIFE!"
"YOU ARE TEARING ME APART DT DRUMMER AUDITIONS!"
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:lol :lol
Anyway, who do you guys think will be the 7 drummers doing the auditions?
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:lol :lol
Anyway, who do you guys think will be the 7 drummers doing the auditions?
We've talked about that for like 3 pages. We all listed random fantasy people.
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Cool. I hope that the auditions won't take too long.
I don't know. Maybe each drummer will have to play a 15-minute drum solo, in addition to songs, for his audition. That could extend proceedings somewhat. ;)
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From James LaBrie's twitter:
"Hey Everyone, We begin auditions today. Should be a day of mixed emotions, but at the same time exciting and spirited. Stay tuned, James."
:caffeine:
I am more excited than I've been in a long time. Wow, wow, wow. It's really happening.
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Very pleased that James is (assumedly) involved. It'd've been very easy for them to just audition instrumentally. 'Specially what with CJS's solo tour coming up.
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Very pleased that James is (assumedly) involved. It'd've been very easy for them to just audition instrumentally. 'Specially what with CJS's solo tour coming up.
Same here. Maybe he'll be more involved than just "Hey James, we got music, get your Canadian butt down here and sing something."
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Suppose each audition takes an hour. That means they'll probably get through two a day. Which means...maybe Thursday!
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Discussions about the auditions and the new drummer really should be in the threads that are about those topics.
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Portnoy arrived to Barcelona to start the six week tour in Europe. I know that he is still mourning his departure from DT, but as soon as his tour with A7X ends, that's when the real depression will kick in. The news of the name of the new drummer will be a hard pill to swallow, not to mention the release of the new album, but to realize that they are starting to tour without him, that's when it'll really hit him.
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Suppose each audition takes an hour. That means they'll probably get through two a day. Which means...maybe Thursday!
I don't think that they'll decide that fast. There's probably going to be one or two recalls, and then internal debating and deciding. If we're lucky, it'll take a month.
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lol you all think it's based on how crazy prog the drummer can be, how many odd time sigs they can do, how great of independent limb control they have. HAH!
Clearly the winner will be the one who brings a fresh batch of salmon.
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lol you all think it's based on how crazy prog the drummer can be, how many odd time sigs they can do, how great of independent limb control they have. HAH!
Clearly the winner will be the one who brings a fresh batch of salmon.
I think the winner will be whichever one lives.
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lol you all think it's based on how crazy prog the drummer can be, how many odd time sigs they can do, how great of independent limb control they have. HAH!
Clearly the winner will be the one who brings a fresh batch of salmon.
I think the winner will be whichever one lives.
And what better way to survive than bring a fresh batch of salmon as a distraction?
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But you can't distract a wizard, ninja, or pirate with salmon...
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But neither a wizard, ninja, nor pirate will kill and eat you before asking questions simply because they are hungry.
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Who's the one making pointless jokes now, eh?! :coolio
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It'll be settled in MORTAL KOMBAT
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The new drummer will have to take a ninja, pirate, wizard and bear across a river on a boat, but the boat can only take him and 2 of the 4 at any one time... :lol
-Marc.
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The new drummer will have to take a ninja, pirate, wizard and bear across a river on a boat, but the boat can only take him and 2 of the 4 at any one time... :lol
-Marc.
That's a trick statement.. only the pirate and wizard need a boat.
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Ninja'd
Is it a European wizard or an African wizard. :laugh:
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I'm sorry, what the hell is this thread about?
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I'm sorry, what the hell is this thread about?
We're all just wasting time waiting for the news of the next drummer. We're in the silly phase of denial right now. :laugh:
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I'm sorry, what the hell is this thread about?
We're all just wasting time waiting for the news of the next drummer. We're in the silly phase of denial right now. :laugh:
Well, can we at least order pizza in the meantime?
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Cool. Tick's ordering us all a pizza!
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I'm sorry, what the hell is this thread about?
We're all just wasting time waiting for the news of the next drummer. We're in the silly phase of denial right now. :laugh:
Well, can we at least order pizza in the meantime?
What am I Spicolli! Mr. Hand? ;D
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Cool. Tick's ordering us all a pizza!
Tick, I swear to God if I find anchovies on my pizza I'm going to be very upset with you.
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Cool. Tick's ordering us all a pizza!
Tick, I swear to God if I find anchovies on my pizza I'm going to be very upset with you.
I don't eat dead smelly fish on my pizza.
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That's good.
o/
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*\o
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So you eat live, good-smelling fish on your pizza? Or live, odor-less fish?
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Dead fish can be odorless too.
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I would eat Shrimp on it.
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I'd like to applaud the mod who unstickied this fart nugget of a thread.........now all we need is a stiff breeze to blow it off the first page.