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Title: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 06:41:11 AM
Just realised how massive the old thread was getting! (here for reference: http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=185.0)

So, here we discuss all things Pain of Salvation. Think I'll start with an album ranking as I don't think I've done one in a while:

1. Be
2. The Perfect Element
3. Road Salt 1
4. Remedy Lane
5. Entropia/
-. Scarsick
7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake

But to be honest, they're all pretty damn good.

Oh and feel free to carry on any discussions that were happening at the end of the previous thread.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 23, 2010, 06:46:18 AM
Based on what I've heard;

1. Entropia
2. The Perfect Element
3. Remedy Lane
4. Be
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on August 23, 2010, 06:50:54 AM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Road Salt 1
3. Remedy Lane
4. BE
5. Entropia

Haven't really listened to Scarsick and OHBTCL yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 23, 2010, 07:33:26 AM
5/5 albums
1. The Perfect Element, Part 1
2. BE
3. Remedy Lane

4/5 albums
4. Scarsick
5. Road Salt One

3/5 albums
6. Entropia
7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake

I love them all :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on August 23, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Road Salt 1
6. Scarsick
7. BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 23, 2010, 09:15:10 AM
1. Be 10/10
2. The Perfect Element Part 1 10/10
3. Entropia 8.5/10
4. One Hour By The Concrete Lake 8/10
5. Remedy Lane 7/10
6. Road Salt One 6/10
7. Scarsick 4/10
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 23, 2010, 09:16:26 AM
Can't rate, but TPE is first and Be second.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: axeman90210 on August 23, 2010, 09:51:56 AM
of the three I have

Remedy Lane

TPE











BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 23, 2010, 09:57:50 AM
1.  Scarsick            (:biggrin:)
2.  BE
3.  TPE
4.  Entropia
5.  Remedy Lane
6.  Road  Salt One
7.  One Hour


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 10:12:45 AM
1. TPE
2. BE (live)
3. RL
4. Entropia
5. OHBTCL
6. Scarsick
7. RS1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 23, 2010, 10:18:24 AM
Why live Adami?

edit: woah woah, they played it live a full year before releasing the studio album?!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 10:19:54 AM
Why live Adami?

I just listen to the live version wayyyyy more than the studio version. I heard it first, I like it better. I haven't listened to the studio version enough to place it anywhere yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 10:20:34 AM
It's essentially the same. Seems an odd distinction to make in your rankings.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 23, 2010, 10:23:31 AM
Has anyone here got Scarsicker?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 10:23:39 AM
It's essentially the same. Seems an odd distinction to make in your rankings.

YOU'RE AN ODD DISTINCTION!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 10:24:09 AM
Has anyone here got Scarsicker?

No, I seriously saw no point. I'm not sure anyone else got it either. It might have been the dumbest idea I've heard from a band yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 23, 2010, 10:25:20 AM
Gone is such a good song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 23, 2010, 11:41:59 AM
Has anyone here got Scarsicker?

Yeah, but it's not worth it.  The new songs aren't really songs, as I'm sure you've heard, but their cool intros, so I just add them to the original version as not to hear the awful edits. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on August 23, 2010, 11:55:04 AM
Why are we closing the original thread?

If you're not completely deleting it, I see no point at all. How much space does it take up exactly?

As far as ranking the albums...it depends on my mood. I am in the process of a PoS Top 30 on this forum, but considering the lack of replies or interest, it's hard to find the motivation to complete. Which is somewhat of a suprise as PoS are one of the most talked about bands on this forum, yet the Porcupine Tree Top 50 threads garner plenty of attention.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 23, 2010, 12:09:11 PM
Has anyone here got Scarsicker?

Unfortunately, yes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 12:45:39 PM
Why are we closing the original thread?

If you're not completely deleting it, I see no point at all. How much space does it take up exactly?
We'll delete them eventually.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on August 23, 2010, 01:17:12 PM
First page, awesome.

I don't think I've ever ranked these guys' albums.

BE - 9/10
TPE - 9/10
RL - 7/10
Scarsick - 7/10
RS1 - 6/10
OHBTCL - 4/10

Haven't got Entropia.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on August 23, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
1. Remedy Lane - 10/10
1. TPE - 10/10

2. Scarsick - 9/10
2. Be - 9/10

3. Road Salt 1 - 9/10

4. Entropia - 8/10

5. One Hour By The Concrete Lake - 7/10
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 23, 2010, 03:43:51 PM
Switch Remedy Lane and Be and I might agree with that one. The first half of OHBTCL is among my favorite material from the band, but the second falls a bit short for me, so it may very well be last on my list.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: FinkPloyd on August 23, 2010, 03:46:30 PM
Most likely, many members know my opinion about DG but I really like their works though. PoS is another strong castle of progressive music. For me, Be deserves to place #1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Parama on August 23, 2010, 05:27:47 PM
TPE
Entropia
Remedy Lane
Be
One Hour
Road Salt
Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 23, 2010, 06:28:03 PM
1. Scarsick
2. Remedy Lane
3. The Perfect Element
4. Be
5. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
6. Entropia
7. Road Salt One

But really, all their albums are MUSIC WIN!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 23, 2010, 08:41:13 PM
1. The Perfect Element, Part I
2. Remedy Lane (though it battles with TPE for first quite a bit)
3. Road Salt One
4. BE
5. Entropia
6. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
7. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on August 24, 2010, 04:20:41 AM
Am I the only one who find rankings boring?  :lol

Anyway, Daniel Gildenlöw is much more than a music making-machine, he's damn sexy. :heart Both me and my girlfriend has him on our "exception"-list. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 24, 2010, 04:53:37 AM
It's sad to see Entropia in the bottom part of most people's rankings.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2010, 05:47:05 AM
Am I the only one who find rankings boring?  :lol

Yes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 24, 2010, 07:23:00 AM
It's sad to see Entropia in the bottom part of most people's rankings.

You put BE last so we'll just ignore you :loser:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 24, 2010, 07:30:25 AM
It's sad to see Entropia in the bottom part of most people's rankings.

You put BE last so we'll just ignore you :loser:
:rollin

Oh well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 24, 2010, 07:35:07 AM
BE seems awesome as an album and a concept, but I just can't enjoy it casually. I could give it a listen when I'm in the mood for some serious concept album, but I wouldn't listen to songs like Nauticus I or Pluvius when I'm in a crowded place. Also the tracks like Animae Partus, and Vocari makes the album even less enjoyable as a casual listen. Dea seems a bit dragging for me.

Well but I give some of them regular listens. Including Imago, Lilium, Diffidentia, and Nauticus II.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 24, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
There's a Japanese bonus track once again.  Maybe it'll surface somewhere, but for now you can hear it here http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/3856289

It sounds like jazz and apparently has Daniel drumming. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 24, 2010, 04:26:07 PM
What do I click ???
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2010, 04:26:56 PM
What do I click ???

Yea, it's all in Japanese, when you go to english it takes you back to the home page and I didn't know what to look for beyond just "pain of salvation".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: toro on August 24, 2010, 10:03:54 PM
Guys, whats the bestest album to star with POS?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2010, 10:06:17 PM
Guys, whats the bestest album to star with POS?


RL (Remedy Lane)


Most others will say TPE (The Perfect Element) but I have found that starting at the best and working your way down isn't usually the best idea. So start near the top and see where it goes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 24, 2010, 10:07:25 PM
Remedy Lane -> The Perfect Element -> Entropia -> Be -> Scarsick -> OHBTCL -> RS1

Enjoy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: toro on August 24, 2010, 10:09:51 PM
Thanks guys. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2010, 10:22:20 PM
You know what? Start with 12:5.

I did, it was odd. You can hear a wide variety of songs, all acoustic, many re-arranged. It makes hearing the originals later a very interesting experience.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 25, 2010, 04:01:39 AM
You know what? Start with 12:5.

I did, it was odd. You can hear a wide variety of songs, all acoustic, many re-arranged. It makes hearing the originals later a very interesting experience.
Me too. 12:5 and then Remedy Lane, it was an amazing way to be introduced to the band. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 25, 2010, 04:27:57 AM
For me it was;

Half of Entropia -> Remedy Lane -> Entropia -> Half of One Hour -> Half of BE -> Bit of Scarsick -> Bit of TPE -> BE -> TPE

Now rediscovering BE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on August 25, 2010, 07:20:19 AM
Am I the only one who find rankings boring?  :lol

Anyway, Daniel Gildenlöw is much more than a music making-machine, he's damn sexy. :heart Both me and my girlfriend has him on our "exception"-list. :lol

I like seeing other people's rankings but I don't do them myself. My favourite songs/albums tend to change depending on my mood so I don't ever have a solid list.

And yeah, he is very sexy  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 25, 2010, 08:58:57 AM
What do I click ???

Yea, it's all in Japanese, when you go to english it takes you back to the home page and I didn't know what to look for beyond just "pain of salvation".
How about the little speaker next to the thing that says 'Bonus Track'?

(http://imgur.com/ReiSc.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 25, 2010, 09:03:44 AM
Oh, shit, thanks! :lol

Can't really form an opinion around that sample, I'll have to hear the full thing some day.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 25, 2010, 10:20:18 AM
What do I click ???

Yea, it's all in Japanese, when you go to english it takes you back to the home page and I didn't know what to look for beyond just "pain of salvation".
How about the little speaker next to the thing that says 'Bonus Track'?


Don't get no attitude toward me young man!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on August 25, 2010, 12:57:19 PM
You know what? Start with 12:5.

I did, it was odd. You can hear a wide variety of songs, all acoustic, many re-arranged. It makes hearing the originals later a very interesting experience.
I love 12:5. Re-arranging that many songs, you'd think something in that performance would fall flat. But, at least in my opinion, every single song on the album works, and works well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2010, 01:07:33 PM
I just came here to post that I can't get enough of Second Love. Been spinning it a couple of times tonight, and played it on guitar too.

:heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 25, 2010, 01:11:40 PM
You know what? Start with 12:5.

I did, it was odd. You can hear a wide variety of songs, all acoustic, many re-arranged. It makes hearing the originals later a very interesting experience.
I love 12:5. Re-arranging that many songs, you'd think something in that performance would fall flat. But, at least in my opinion, every single song on the album works, and works well.

Oh god does it. I'm kinda glad they didn't put Nightmist in there after all, it was just too......well sounded way too much like the original, and not in a good way.

But yea it was awesome hearing the 12:5 version of those songs, then hearing the originals after. Blew my load, I mean mind, blew my mind.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 25, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
What do I click ???

Yea, it's all in Japanese, when you go to english it takes you back to the home page and I didn't know what to look for beyond just "pain of salvation".
How about the little speaker next to the thing that says 'Bonus Track'?


Don't get no attitude toward me young man!
:-*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
How odd...

itunes has PoS categorized in the following genres:

Be Live - Metal
Entropia - Rock
On the Two Deaths Of - Rock
OHBTCL - Rock
TPE1 - Rock
RS1 - Alternative & Punk
Scarsick - Electronica /Dance (!!!???)

Guess whoever is in charge of assigning genres really had no clue what to make of PoS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 25, 2010, 04:09:30 PM
Bahahahaha!

iTunes is so terrible.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 04:12:43 PM
Bahahahaha!

iTunes is so terrible.

Just for shits and giggles I checked my DT itunes page and every cd is classified as metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 25, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
How odd...

itunes has PoS categorized in the following genres:

Be Live - Metal
Entropia - Rock
On the Two Deaths Of - Rock
OHBTCL - Rock
TPE1 - Rock
RS1 - Alternative & Punk
Scarsick - Electronica /Dance (!!!???)

Guess whoever is in charge of assigning genres really had no clue what to make of PoS.

Well, what would YOU call Pain of Salvation?


And as for Scarsick, he must have only heard Disco Queen  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 05:54:03 PM
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Well, what would YOU call Pain of Salvation?

Probably metal or rock, given the genre choices they have. Of course if itunes had a progressive metal category that's what I would call 'em. What about you?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 25, 2010, 05:55:45 PM
Punktronica.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Punktronica.
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 25, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Post-Ironic Beardcore
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 06:44:19 PM
There is a video on youtube where PoS was playing at some festival and Daniel says the only person he bows to is Tori Amos. That made me so giddy cause I'm a huge Tori fan and it's nice to know her brilliance is recognized by someone as awesome as him. And now I keep hearing Tori's influence in his music, especially on the Scarsick album. Also hear Mike Patton's influence. Are these types of observations frowned upon here?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 25, 2010, 06:47:35 PM
There is a video on youtube where PoS was playing at some festival and Daniel says the only person he bows to is Tori Amos. That made me so giddy cause I'm a huge Tori fan and it's nice to know her brilliance is recognized by someone as awesome as him. And now I keep hearing Tori's influence in his music, especially on the Scarsick album. Also hear Mike Patton's influence. Are these types of observations frowned upon here?

No, I played Used for my dad and he said "this sounds like something Mike Patton would do". :lol I also hear a lot of Faith No More in Entropia, and Daniel has listed Album of the Year and Mr. Bungle's California among his favorite albums.

I've only heard two Tori Amos songs, but I loved them. I need to listen to more of her stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 25, 2010, 06:58:44 PM
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No, I played Used for my dad and he said "this sounds like something Mike Patton would do". :lol I also hear a lot of Faith No More in Entropia, and Daniel has listed Album of the Year and Mr. Bungle's California among his favorite albums.
Woooyeah!!! DG has good taste in music. Glad I'm not the only one that hears FNM and Mike Patton all over the place.

Quote
I've only heard two Tori Amos songs, but I loved them. I need to listen to more of her stuff.

She's one of the most underrated artists ever, in my opinion. If you really want to give her a try I'd suggest starting with her older stuff. Most Tori fans agree that she hasn't put out anything really great since To Venus and Back. That's a good one to check out. Also Boys for Pele and From the Choirgirl Hotel. Under the Pink and Little Earthquakes are amazing but I wouldn't recommend them to a guy just starting out. Lots of chicks dig those albums because they deal with chick drama.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2010, 05:35:17 AM
The Mike Patton influence was one of the first things I noticed with POS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on August 26, 2010, 05:09:29 PM
The Mike Patton influence was one of the first things I noticed with POS.
Yeah, it's pretty clear. I heard POS before I heard Mike Patton or Faith No More, though, so I actually noticed it in reverse.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on August 26, 2010, 07:26:57 PM
Scarsick = Remedy Lane = TPE1 > Road Salt 1 > Entropia = One Hour >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2010, 04:05:55 AM
Nice to see Nick returning to his classic levels of fail.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Sigz on August 27, 2010, 04:14:23 AM
This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on August 27, 2010, 06:22:26 AM
Nice to see Nick returning to his classic levels of fail.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 27, 2010, 09:14:38 AM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 27, 2010, 09:21:21 AM
I don't think there's any fail when it comes to POS rankings, each album is a MUSIC WIN!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on August 27, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
Nice to see Nick returning to his classic levels of fail.
At least he's correct when it comes to the most important point, that BE is far and away the worst.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2010, 12:02:54 PM
No, that was by far the biggest feature of his fail.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LadyEars on August 27, 2010, 05:02:41 PM
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At least he's correct when it comes to the most important point, that BE is far and away the worst.
Not this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on August 28, 2010, 03:57:14 AM
I just came here to post that I can't get enough of Second Love. Been spinning it a couple of times tonight, and played it on guitar too.

:heart
That's interesting since a few others hate on it so hard (Darkes, I think).  I've been spinning RL a lot lately and "Second Love" is one of my favorites from it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 28, 2010, 12:06:08 PM
Back to the what to start with conversation. I actually started with Remedy Lane and didn't like it. I found it bland. When I tried The Perfect Element I loved it. My current favourite is BE by a longshot but thats not really a starting album as it's pretty different for them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on August 28, 2010, 12:11:15 PM
I just came here to post that I can't get enough of Second Love. Been spinning it a couple of times tonight, and played it on guitar too.

:heart
That's interesting since a few others hate on it so hard (Darkes, I think).
Apart from the fact that it's a "pop" song made by a prog band, I don't really the problem with it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 28, 2010, 12:13:53 PM
Nice to see Nick returning to his classic levels of fail.
At least he's correct when it comes to the most important point, that BE is far and away the worst.

Does not compute.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Pirate on August 28, 2010, 01:16:40 PM
Didn't see the this thread earlier. Obligatory album ranking:

RL=TPE1 >
Be >
OHBTCL=Entropia >
RS1 >
Scarsick

Oh yeah. And 'Beyond the Pale' beats 'The Perfect Element' in the battle of the closers. That is all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 28, 2010, 02:13:42 PM
Didn't see the this thread earlier. Obligatory album ranking:

RL=TPE1 >
Be >
OHBTCL=Entropia >
RS1 >
Scarsick

Oh yeah. And 'Beyond the Pale' beats 'The Perfect Element' in the battle of the closers. That is all.
Agreed here. Remedy Lane isn't one of my favourites from them, but wow thats an amazing closer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 28, 2010, 08:35:47 PM
Used remains my favorite metal song of all time.

Just professing my love for it once more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 28, 2010, 09:02:41 PM
Just curious, how do you all pronounced Used?

Do you do it like, "She used me" or "Getting used to pain"?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 29, 2010, 02:07:43 AM
Just curious, how do you all pronounced Used?

Do you do it like, "She used me" or "Getting used to pain"?

I always think of the first one, I think it works better as a song title.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on August 29, 2010, 02:12:47 AM
Ditto.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Me too. I wonder how DG pronounces it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 29, 2010, 12:32:16 PM
I pronounce it as the former, but considering how it's used (olol) in the context of the song I'd imagine it's the latter. Oh well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 29, 2010, 03:09:15 PM
I bet he pronounces it the former.

Anyone who says the word Used on it's own in the latter way is just stupid.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2010, 03:09:50 PM
I bet he pronounces it the former.

Anyone who says the word Used on it's own in the latter way is just stupid.

Well that's just mean.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on August 29, 2010, 07:45:50 PM
He's right though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
He's right though.

So? It's still poopy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on August 30, 2010, 04:30:12 AM
I think he'll probably go for the double meaning thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 30, 2010, 07:37:01 AM
I bet he pronounces it the former.

Anyone who says the word Used on it's own in the latter way is just stupid.

Yeah, simply saying "yoost" just seems weird.  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on August 30, 2010, 08:37:11 AM
12:5 and BE was my first PoS CD's actually. :lol After hearing a sample of the song ! from Entropia, that was quite a shock.

PoS was always like Opeth to me - they took a while to get used to. (USED OLOL!) But once you're sucked in, there's no sucking out...

...wait wat?

That being said, older PoS is far superior to new PoS. And this video proves it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqszACV4I40 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqszACV4I40) - People Passing By with Johan Langell and Kristoffer Gildenlöw. The only thing missing from this video is Johan Hallgren's bare chest. :heart

Still love them though. :heart And it's worth saying again - Daniel Gildenlöw is HOT! GOD DAMN!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 30, 2010, 09:14:12 AM
By newer, I suppose you're pertaining to Scarsick and RS?

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on August 31, 2010, 12:28:55 AM
Yeah, I do. I enjoy the CD's, I really do. But I'm getting a way different vibe from those two records than what they did in the past.

Before anyone uses that card, yes, they are progressive, constantly changing. I have no problem with that. But there was a certain magic with those earlier records that now are gone.

They're still awesome, though. Sisters, if nothing else, proves that. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2010, 05:51:36 AM
I'm quite bored, so I typed in Daniel Gildenlow in google images and look who came up at the bottom left....WTF!!!

http://www.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=577&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=daniel+gildenlow&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on August 31, 2010, 05:58:29 AM
Also, Kevin Moore top left.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2010, 06:07:52 AM
Also, Kevin Moore top left.

LOL.  I believed you there for a second.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on August 31, 2010, 07:09:46 AM
(http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_band/284.jpg)

I miss this setup ;_;
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 31, 2010, 07:20:09 AM
I miss his long hair. :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2010, 04:36:49 PM
(http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_band/284.jpg)

I miss this setup ;_;

One guy here just doesn't seem to fit, I can't put my finger on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Arcaeus on August 31, 2010, 05:35:30 PM
Why the fuck does Hallgren have clothing
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on August 31, 2010, 05:44:56 PM
Why the fuck does Hallgren have clothing
Probably to increase the effect when he removed them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on August 31, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
That actually makes sense :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bodiesinflight on October 12, 2010, 01:11:32 PM
So...PoS playing in UK in November...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 12, 2010, 04:04:43 PM
(http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_band/284.jpg)

I miss this setup ;_;

That's strange, they don't look Swedish AT ALL.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on October 12, 2010, 04:22:48 PM
So who's gonna see them on the tour they're on? I saw them sunday, they did _real_ good. They're even tighter now! They mingled afterwards (when the crowd had started to go home so it wouldn't be total chaos), so that was nice of them! Hallgren commented on how long my sister-in-law's hair had gotten :lol Their bass player blends well in, he looks like a PoS-guy/rock star and knows his (well, their :P ) stuff. Their guitar tech smacked Hallgren on the bum because he stood in the way when he tried to get off stage and they were all in all in a very good mood even though Daniel was brewing on something and they had only barely managed not to cancel the concert :omg: And I bought an epic fangirl-shirt:
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs807.snc4/68768_10150296041835354_552035353_15285562_5863106_n.jpg)
(sorry crappy iPhone pic taken at night by myself...)

Tl;dr: They're awesome live.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on October 12, 2010, 04:29:43 PM
So...PoS playing in UK in November...
Yeah I saw that. Not sure if I want to go, it's only a support tour and I'm only a moderate fan of Apocalyptica. Hmmmmm, can't decide!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on October 12, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
So...PoS playing in UK in November...
Yeah I saw that. Not sure if I want to go, it's only a support tour and I'm only a moderate fan of Apocalyptica. Hmmmmm, can't decide!

Apocalyptica are really great fun live, they put on an amazing show when I saw them. Granted I don't really like their new album (though only heard through once), I saw them on the tour of my favourite album (the second latest). The thing that impressed me though was that even on the Metallica songs (I don't like metallica or their covers of) I found myself enjoying it. So yeah, take that how you want.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on October 12, 2010, 11:49:10 PM
Found some pics I thought I might share. :)

With mr Simon Andersson:
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_28977_8545.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_28978_8785.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_28979_9035.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_28980_9282.jpg)

The "classic" line-up: (from around BE I believe)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_29009_3320.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_29010_3569.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v341/188/50/1554800148/n1554800148_29011_3741.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on October 12, 2010, 11:59:26 PM
Oh I god I miss the classic line up. I'd kill for those two to rejoin.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on October 13, 2010, 07:34:43 AM
Did his brother even write at all?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 13, 2010, 07:38:07 AM
Did his brother even write at all?

http://www.myspace.com/thebanddial

Listen to "Sadness." That's his brother. I'm assuming he wrote it.

And I have the album. Unfortunately it's nowhere near as good as that one song on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on October 13, 2010, 07:55:24 AM
I'm going to see these guys in two weeks. It's good to hear that they're still as awesome as before with the new members.

BTW: That's a very cool shirt veronica. I may have to get myself one of those. The male variant, that is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bodiesinflight on October 13, 2010, 10:25:33 AM
So...PoS playing in UK in November...
Yeah I saw that. Not sure if I want to go, it's only a support tour and I'm only a moderate fan of Apocalyptica. Hmmmmm, can't decide!

Apocalyptica are really great fun live, they put on an amazing show when I saw them. Granted I don't really like their new album (though only heard through once), I saw them on the tour of my favourite album (the second latest). The thing that impressed me though was that even on the Metallica songs (I don't like metallica or their covers of) I found myself enjoying it. So yeah, take that how you want.

Yeah, I might be able to get in free...not sure yet but fingers crossed
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2010, 10:38:03 AM
Did his brother even write at all?

He is listed in the credits for previous albums. And after he left, the bass became lame. One can assume he wrote.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on October 16, 2010, 06:08:11 AM
Undertow gets ruined by a bird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdFPpSZ39A&feature=related
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 16, 2010, 06:10:43 AM
Anyone heard any updates of RS2??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 16, 2010, 06:22:50 AM
Pushed back until at least March.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 16, 2010, 06:33:21 AM
Pushed back until at least March.

Christ.  :\
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on October 16, 2010, 06:35:43 AM
Undertow gets ruined by a bird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdFPpSZ39A&feature=related
Pretty cool.

Edit: Also, just wondering, have you guys heard all those bonus tracks like Beyond the Mirror, Never Learn to Fly, Thorn Clown, etc.? For me some of them are better than most of the other tracks in the album. Hell, Beyond the Mirror is like the best song in One Hour if included.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on October 16, 2010, 09:21:35 AM
Beyond the Mirror is pretty badass.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 16, 2010, 09:25:52 AM
Beyond the Mirror is pretty badass.

What is that? Like "Beyond the Pale" played in Wonderland or something?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on October 16, 2010, 09:27:29 AM
If you had read the post above mine, you would know it's a bonus track. On One Hour By the Concrete Lake.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 16, 2010, 03:48:52 PM
I'm going to see them live for the first time tomorrow!!!
 :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 16, 2010, 05:24:00 PM
Undertow gets ruined by a bird:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdFPpSZ39A&feature=related
Pretty cool.

Edit: Also, just wondering, have you guys heard all those bonus tracks like Beyond the Mirror, Never Learn to Fly, Thorn Clown, etc.? For me some of them are better than most of the other tracks in the album. Hell, Beyond the Mirror is like the best song in One Hour if included.

Thorn Clown is one of my absolute favorites, maybe one of my favorite 5 songs by Daniel.  It should have replaced Rope Ends or something like that.  I like Never Learn to Fly a lot, too. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ich bin besser on October 16, 2010, 05:44:15 PM
Here are my pics from tonight's gig in Bochum/Germany (Beardfish supporting, setlist in the last pic): http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/578796940fTzrya

Very entertaining evening! PoS played for about 95 minutes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 16, 2010, 05:58:04 PM
I'm also seeing them tomorrow, for the 4th time.

I kinda hope they don't play too long (95 minutes seems perfect) because I have to rush to get the last train back. It's either that or head to my parent's house. That would mean that I have to get up really early to head back home though. I have to give a presentation monday morning so I would prefer catching the last train...


Jakarta, if I see you or Mizzl (I would recognize you from the pic thread) I might say hello. Don't count on it though, I'm going with friends who would find it a bit weird, and like I said - we will be in the biggest hurry ever.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on October 17, 2010, 05:36:30 AM
Morning On Earth. Why does it have to be so epic? It's easily my favorite PoS ballad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 18, 2010, 10:34:16 AM
I attended my first Pain Of Salvation concert last night and was blown away.
It started out great with the support band Beardfish who delivered a awesome performance.
I didn't know them, but am hooked now.
after they finished their set the tension in the venue rose because POS was next.

They delivered an outstanding set:

Of Two Beginnings
Ending Theme
People Passing By
Linoleum
Ashes
Diffidentia
Winning a War
No Way
Road Salt
Of Dust
Kingdom of Loss
Falling/ The Perfect Element!!!!

Encore:
Nightmist

After they finished The Perfect Element I asked Johan if I could have the setlist and he gave it!!!

Afterwards the guys mingled and we got the chance to talk to them and stuff.
They signed my setlist!!!!! (Picture following soon)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565142942194_100001661260966_31443_813555_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565146275527_100001661260966_31444_2009302_n.jpg)



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on October 18, 2010, 10:41:07 AM
Few comments.

1. AWESOME SETLIST! Soooo much better than their DVD setlist too.

2. I hate you for getting a pic with daniel.

3. You're 2nd picture with Johan is fake, I can tell because he's wearing clothes. Clearly not johan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 18, 2010, 10:46:06 AM
Few comments.

1. AWESOME SETLIST! Soooo much better than their DVD setlist too.

2. I hate you for getting a pic with daniel.

3. You're 2nd picture with Johan is fake, I can tell because he's wearing clothes. Clearly not johan.

Few comments

1. YES!!!, DAMN AWESOME!!!

2. I understand

3. Damn, He's a fraude
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: PixelDream on October 18, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
I attended my first Pain Of Salvation concert last night and was blown away.
It started out great with the support band Beardfish who delivered a awesome performance.
I didn't know them, but am hooked now.
after they finished their set the tension in the venue rose because POS was next.

They delivered an outstanding set:

Of Two Beginnings
Ending Theme
People Passing By
Linoleum
Ashes
Diffidentia
Winning a War
No Way
Road Salt
Of Dust
Kingdom of Loss
Falling/ The Perfect Element!!!!

After they finished The Perfect Element I asked Johan if I could have the setlist and he gave it!!!

Afterwards the guys mingled and we got the chance to talk to them and stuff.
They signed my setlist!!!!! (Picture following soon)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565142942194_100001661260966_31443_813555_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565146275527_100001661260966_31444_2009302_n.jpg)





WTF they were at the Boerderij yesterday? Damn. Damnit! Setlist looks awesome, pics as well. Oh well, I saw PT last week  :metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 18, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
I attended my first Pain Of Salvation concert last night and was blown away.
It started out great with the support band Beardfish who delivered a awesome performance.
I didn't know them, but am hooked now.
after they finished their set the tension in the venue rose because POS was next.

They delivered an outstanding set:

Of Two Beginnings
Ending Theme
People Passing By
Linoleum
Ashes
Diffidentia
Winning a War
No Way
Road Salt
Of Dust
Kingdom of Loss
Falling/ The Perfect Element!!!!

After they finished The Perfect Element I asked Johan if I could have the setlist and he gave it!!!

Afterwards the guys mingled and we got the chance to talk to them and stuff.
They signed my setlist!!!!! (Picture following soon)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565142942194_100001661260966_31443_813555_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs803.snc4/68394_104565146275527_100001661260966_31444_2009302_n.jpg)





WTF they were at the Boerderij yesterday? Damn. Damnit! Setlist looks awesome, pics as well. Oh well, I saw PT last week  :metal.

No, they were at De Pul in Uden.
They're coming to de Boerderij in a month though.
I can't go, But you should check it out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 18, 2010, 05:29:41 PM
That's a very impresesive setlist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 18, 2010, 08:21:38 PM
They are playing People Passing By live again?  Awesome!  It's also really awesome that they're playing Kingdom of Loss.  Now they just need to play King of Loss live  ;)



Question:  I'm wondering as to how they performed Of Dust.. Did they change the song for a live setting? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on October 19, 2010, 03:44:09 AM
Amazing setlist! POS are so awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 19, 2010, 05:04:53 AM
You forgot that they also played Nightmist.

Wish I could have stayed to meet them, but had a stupid train to catch...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on October 19, 2010, 06:34:44 AM
Listening now to A Trace Of Blood. Yummy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on October 19, 2010, 07:50:45 AM
You forgot that they also played Nightmist.

Wish I could have stayed to meet them, but had a stupid train to catch...

so you got home okay?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 19, 2010, 08:13:54 AM
You forgot that they also played Nightmist.

Wish I could have stayed to meet them, but had a stupid train to catch...

so you got home okay?
Yep. Got home pretty late but somehow I managed to get there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on October 19, 2010, 11:36:45 AM
Question:  I'm wondering as to how they performed Of Dust.. Did they change the song for a live setting? 
If I remember correctly (and I should, since it's just been 10 days since I saw them), it was just played over speakers while the pulpit used on the next song was dragged in and such.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 19, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
I attended the show with Mizzl
Here are the pictures of him and the setlist I got

Mizzl with the band:
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_v-G87YV_1w0/TL3Z8uWsdiI/AAAAAAAAABo/m3kjpSgZ_7w/s640/IMG_1787.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_v-G87YV_1w0/TL3ZY9e_UPI/AAAAAAAAABg/1RwBqPBe3mQ/s640/IMG_1795.jpg)


Mah Setlist:
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_v-G87YV_1w0/TL3ZzpB0Q1I/AAAAAAAAABk/Abb0bamvXwo/s512/IMG_1796.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on October 19, 2010, 11:57:51 AM
fo shizzl, mizzl!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2010, 02:47:36 PM
You guys should really report that Johan impersonater to the police.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 19, 2010, 04:57:22 PM
Awesome setlist  :metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on October 20, 2010, 05:12:16 PM
I love Daniel's tshirt :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on October 21, 2010, 07:38:36 AM
You guys should really report that Johan impersonater to the police.
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 29, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
That really is an amazing setlist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on October 29, 2010, 04:37:05 AM
That really is an amazing setlist.

When there is Falling/ TPE, it's automatically a good set.

Although I'm not really fond of their live performance of the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 29, 2010, 04:42:54 AM
An official DVD of that set would be nothing to complain about though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on October 29, 2010, 04:15:55 PM
I'm listening to The Perfect Element for the first time in about a month.  My God, this album is amazing!!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on October 29, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
I'm listening to The Perfect Element for the first time in about a month.  My God, this album is amazing!!  :hefdaddy
*agreeing*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 29, 2010, 04:33:54 PM
That really is an amazing setlist.

When there is Falling/ TPE, it's automatically a good set.

Although I'm not really fond of their live performance of the song.


The Perfect Element, I've always thought, is one of their best live songs.


However, I will agree that Daniel usually butchers Falling for whatever reason.  Kind of funny considering there are guitar parts in Pain of Salvation about a thousand times harder that he nails every time.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 29, 2010, 05:04:31 PM
I think I have seen them do it 4 times now. Twice Daniel was about spot on, the other two times he was quite a bit off. Strange indeed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on November 14, 2010, 02:48:49 PM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs990.snc4/76380_10150133444294657_22754734656_7582402_3775382_n.jpg)

What the lord is going on this tour... :omg:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2010, 02:50:36 PM
Yea, what the hell song calls for that??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on November 14, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
Yea, what the hell song calls for that??
kingdom of loss
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on November 14, 2010, 03:10:13 PM
Yup. Also glad to see Zoltan got away from the stage during the tour, in to the public.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2010, 03:13:17 PM
Yup. Also glad to see Zoltan got away from the stage during the tour, in to the public.

Zoltan?

What the hell is going on with my favorite band?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Keyboardframe on November 14, 2010, 03:18:27 PM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs990.snc4/76380_10150133444294657_22754734656_7582402_3775382_n.jpg)

What the lord is going on this tour... :omg:

probably for one of the songs where he insults the greatest country on earth. :tick2:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on November 14, 2010, 03:19:30 PM
Zoltan is the guy who took that picture. And the tour manager. And a friend kinda.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2010, 03:19:57 PM
I hate to break this to you Keyboardframe, but Entropia isn't a real country.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2010, 03:20:35 PM
Zoltan is the guy who took that picture. And the tour manager. And a friend kinda.


Ohhhh, cool. I guess that's when he's not busy with Tom Hanks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on November 15, 2010, 02:31:09 AM
I hate to break this to you Keyboardframe, but Entropia isn't a real country.

Damn. :tup

I love you Adami. Just saying. But you probably know already.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on November 15, 2010, 03:46:08 AM
So I guess nobody knows why he's using that podium and for which song? And why have Johan and mr Bass Player (can't remember his name) switched sides?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Agrapha on November 15, 2010, 04:50:35 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: veronica on November 15, 2010, 05:00:38 AM
Yup, he's "preaching" to the crowd. Johan and mr Bass Player bounced around quite a bit when I saw them so I bet it's just coincidental.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on November 15, 2010, 05:29:12 AM
Mizzl with the band:
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_v-G87YV_1w0/TL3Z8uWsdiI/AAAAAAAAABo/m3kjpSgZ_7w/s640/IMG_1787.jpg)
At first I only saw this and it cracked me up :lol

By the way, to those who have seen them - do they actually _play_ Of Dust live? It seems damn hard to sing live (as I guess Johan and Leo would also need to sing, and it's really difficult) and that would be pretty impressive.

Also, when I saw them on Metal Hammer Festival, Daniel played Falling flawlessly. I admit when I heard what actually is the "pretty long last song" I had tears in my eyes, I had waited several years for this...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Sigz on November 15, 2010, 05:41:53 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.

uuuugggggghhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 15, 2010, 06:24:25 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.

Ew. They still play that?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on November 15, 2010, 07:21:11 AM
So I guess nobody knows why he's using that podium and for which song? And why have Johan and mr Bass Player (can't remember his name) switched sides?
Per Schelander is the bassplayer
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on November 15, 2010, 07:39:09 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.

Ew. They still play that?
They STARTED playing that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on November 15, 2010, 08:40:26 AM
Okay, as a contrast, here is an AMAZINGLY sexual/sensual God/man/beast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfEwab1UeSM&feature=grec_index (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfEwab1UeSM&feature=grec_index)

GOD, do they still have it. :heart

EDIT: he really goes APESHIT the last minute. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on November 15, 2010, 10:03:34 AM
Ah, the good old days.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 15, 2010, 10:37:05 AM
The podium is for Kingdom of Loss.

Ew. They still play that?

It's one of their best songs, I think.  Dunno how it works live, but I assume well.  The podium thing looks kind of cool actually. 

Also...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1344/5112028094_08e3ffc871_z.jpg)

Cracka's got some serious ups!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 15, 2010, 10:57:08 AM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs990.snc4/76380_10150133444294657_22754734656_7582402_3775382_n.jpg)

What the lord is going on this tour... :omg:

probably for one of the songs where he insults the greatest country on earth.
He insults Canada?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 15, 2010, 11:00:46 AM
America cannot be the greatest country on Earth because Daniel Gildenlow is not American.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 15, 2010, 11:05:39 AM
America cannot be the greatest country on Earth because Daniel Gildenlow is not American.

This is indeed quite logical.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 15, 2010, 03:46:15 PM
America cannot be the greatest country on Earth because Daniel Gildenlow is not American.

This is indeed quite logical.

DG would definitely approve of this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on November 16, 2010, 07:58:30 AM
Sorry if I'm annoying but:
By the way, to those who have seen them - do they actually _play_ Of Dust live? It seems damn hard to sing live (as I guess Johan and Leo would also need to sing, and it's really difficult) and that would be pretty impressive.
Anyone can answer this? I'm really curious.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on November 16, 2010, 09:03:46 AM
Sorry if I'm annoying but:
By the way, to those who have seen them - do they actually _play_ Of Dust live? It seems damn hard to sing live (as I guess Johan and Leo would also need to sing, and it's really difficult) and that would be pretty impressive.
Anyone can answer this? I'm really curious.

They don't actually play Of Dust live. They just play the track over the PA. Meanwhile they set up the stage for Gildenlöw's speech in Kingdom of Loss (which you may have seen on some photos).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on November 16, 2010, 09:04:50 AM
Well the setlist on the page says they play it live.

And Kingdom of Loss is awesome, what are you fools talking about?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on November 16, 2010, 09:07:26 AM
Well the setlist on the page says they play it live.

They don't actually play Of Dust live. They just play the track over the PA. Meanwhile they set up the stage for Gildenlöw's speech in Kingdom of Loss (which you may have seen on some photos).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on November 16, 2010, 09:08:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stl-3Bo3YhQ

Gildenlow makes me laugh :lol

(That song looks *great* live)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Keyboardframe on November 16, 2010, 01:52:13 PM
oh wowwie that was actaully pretty snazzy  :metal :metal ;D :tick2:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 16, 2010, 01:58:50 PM
Just chucked Scarsick back on after about a month of not listening to it.  Amazing album, it has held up so well for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on November 16, 2010, 04:04:24 PM
Sorry if I'm annoying but:
By the way, to those who have seen them - do they actually _play_ Of Dust live? It seems damn hard to sing live (as I guess Johan and Leo would also need to sing, and it's really difficult) and that would be pretty impressive.
Anyone can answer this? I'm really curious.

They don't actually play Of Dust live. They just play the track over the PA. Meanwhile they set up the stage for Gildenlöw's speech in Kingdom of Loss (which you may have seen on some photos).
Thanks a lot. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 02:15:39 PM
You know, I was listening to Our Hour last night, and that is one amazing album, it really is.  Gonna spin it again today!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on November 17, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
Whose hour?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 02:45:13 PM
Whose hour?

wat??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on November 17, 2010, 02:51:01 PM
Whose hour?

wat??

Yours and who's hour?



(you said Our Hour, not One Hour in your original post).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 03:39:51 PM
Whose hour?

wat??

Yours and who's hour?



(you said Our Hour, not One Hour in your original post).

That's right.  Don't you remember that amazing hour that you me and sonata spent together last night Adami?  :heart


(Just put ONE Hour on right now, Inside is awesome!!)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 05, 2010, 07:01:58 AM
In the mood for a PoS-fest.

Road Salt One has aged really nicely so far, and sharpening the sound helps to alleviate the mixing somewhat, onto Scarsick! (Reverse listening party)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on December 05, 2010, 08:30:03 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on December 06, 2010, 03:21:05 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup

Indeed!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on December 06, 2010, 06:38:09 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup

Indeed!

This.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on December 06, 2010, 09:51:03 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup

Indeed!

This.

These.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 06, 2010, 10:17:07 AM
Yeah RS1 really is an excellent album! :tup
Indeed!
This.
These.
All of the above.  Probably still my favorite from this year.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 06, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
I still prefer Scarsick, but then I loooooove Scarsick so...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 06, 2010, 01:25:45 PM
I also prefer Scarsick. RS1 is actually fairly simple, and I still have some problems with its integrity and a bit of inconsistency in terms of atmosphere, it's still a good album though. Scarsick takes ages to get into and fully appreciate, but when I finally did... this album _is_ an absolute masterpiece and a work of genius.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on December 06, 2010, 06:08:37 PM
I just hope RS2 makes an appearance early next year.

I really have an urge to listen to Conditioned.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 06, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
I just hope RS2 makes an appearance early next year.

I really have an urge to listen to Conditioned.

Has there been any indication that it is actually going to be on the album?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 06, 2010, 07:44:25 PM
Will RS2 ever even exist?

I mean jesus christ. As far as I know, it's been finished for over a year.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 06, 2010, 07:52:06 PM
Will RS2 ever even exist?

I mean jesus christ. As far as I know, it's been finished for over a year.

No, apparently they've reopened it and a good portion of it is being rerecorded/rewritten. 

As much as I want to hear it sooner than later, I'm kind of glad, since it would be very akward getting a bunch of songs a year late that were fully meant to be grouped with the first batch
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 06, 2010, 10:44:56 PM
Does anyone know why? I'd be happy if it's because the band are having second thoughts about how suitable for the world the first one was  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 11:53:10 AM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.

Your opinion < the truth.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on December 09, 2010, 01:00:30 PM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.
One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 09, 2010, 02:09:43 PM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.

agreed

Quote
Your opinion < the truth.

Also, the truth < Enter Rain
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 02:10:46 PM
Oh god, people who think Enter Rain is the greatest song ever written.


The song is very good, but seriously the chorus just drags it down. No matter how amazing the ending is, it doesn't save the rest of the song from being a standard PoS song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 09, 2010, 02:52:35 PM
the truth < Enter Rain

the truth = Jesus Christ

Enter Rain = Daniel Gildenlöw

Therefore:

Jesus Christ < Daniel Gildenlöw

OH NO WHAT DID I JUST DO!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2010, 04:09:13 PM
Oh god, people who think Enter Rain is the greatest song ever written.


The song is very good, but seriously the chorus just drags it down. No matter how amazing the ending is, it doesn't save the rest of the song from being a standard PoS song.

I always liked Enter Rain, it's not the best thing they've ever done but it's good, but I never understood the hype with the ending, yeah it's good but come on.  Maybe I've just missed something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 04:10:20 PM
I never understood the hype around the chorus. It's just him saying "enter rain" over and over. But people seem to think it's the best thing he's ever written.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 09, 2010, 04:23:46 PM
The Perfect Element, Part I is such an amazing album. Amazing that its sequel is so crappy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2010, 06:12:30 PM
I love his delivery of the chorus, so I don't really get how you can feel ambivalent about it.

And I think Idiocracy needs more love, especially the ending :omg:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 06:13:40 PM
I love his delivery of the chorus, so I don't really get how you can feel ambivalent about it.

And I think Idiocracy needs more love, especially the ending :omg:

It's a fine chorus. But it's not THAT great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 09, 2010, 06:19:43 PM
Better than TPE's.

(edit: I don't consider enter rain their best song btw)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2010, 06:27:40 PM
I actually find The Perfect Element (the song) one of the weakest moments on that album, (that still means it's amazing.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2010, 06:31:38 PM
Better than TPE's.

No.

I actually find The Perfect Element (the song) one of the weakest moments on that album


No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 09, 2010, 08:25:08 PM
I actually find The Perfect Element (the song) one of the weakest moments on that album, (that still means it's amazing.)
I tend to agree. While the other songs all have a ton of great moments, TPE only has a few, and only one that really resonates with me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2010, 08:39:02 PM
I actually find The Perfect Element (the song) one of the weakest moments on that album, (that still means it's amazing.)
I tend to agree. While the other songs all have a ton of great moments, TPE only has a few, and only one that really resonates with me.

Yeah, I think that's what I mean.  I love it, but I love most of the other songs more, they just stick with me more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 10, 2010, 06:05:33 AM
Enter Rain > The Perfect Element.

Discuss.
I think I wouldn't strictly agree, but I'd say Enter Rain is very, very close behind.

I never understood the hype around the chorus. It's just him saying "enter rain" over and over. But people seem to think it's the best thing he's ever written.
Because it's so powerful. As simple as this...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on December 10, 2010, 06:17:00 AM
I will ignore the discussion and claim that The Perfect Element is one of the best songs ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on December 10, 2010, 09:19:50 AM
I never understood the hype around the chorus. It's just him saying "enter rain" over and over. But people seem to think it's the best thing he's ever written.
Because it's so powerful. As simple as this...

I like the song and all but I don't find it particularly amazing either to be honest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: PixelDream on December 10, 2010, 09:39:44 AM
I never thought 'Enter Rain' was great, kind of underwhelmed actually. Hadn't listened to it in years, but now I'm revisiting it, and yeah. It's pretty damn great.

Nonetheless, not really in the PoS mood, going back to Meshuggah.  :xbones
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on December 10, 2010, 09:57:38 AM
I will ignore the discussion and claim that The Perfect Element is one of the best songs ever.
:tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on December 10, 2010, 08:19:03 PM
It's 50% better if you listen Falling before it and let the songs flow into each other.
Falling by itself is better than Enter Rain, so I don't know what is there to discuss... :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 11, 2010, 12:35:58 AM
PoS ended with BE and everything later should be burned. We know. Next.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on December 11, 2010, 12:40:45 AM
Scarsick is better than people are making it out to be. And Road Salt is definitely not bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 11, 2010, 12:42:18 AM
Yes, but that happens whenever he appears in this thread. And this time I'm not even exaggerating.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 11, 2010, 01:44:52 AM
I enjoy both Scarsick and Road Salt, but only on occasions. I would have liked it better if PoS had written different albums instead of those one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 11, 2010, 01:47:49 AM
I doubt a different album that's forced because "fans would want that" would be any better than these two they/he created because that's what they/he wanted.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 11, 2010, 04:52:34 AM
Yeah, I realize that, but the point is Scarsick and Road Salt are  both albums I simple "tolerate" because I believe that the artist involved (DG) is worth giving full consideration. Road Salt One has grown on me quite a bit lately, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on December 11, 2010, 05:08:46 AM
PoS ended with BE and everything later should be burned. We know. Next.
That's just so rong.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 11, 2010, 05:15:14 AM
Scarsick is very special to me, an amazing, amazing album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 11, 2010, 05:55:29 AM
I eagerly await RS2, especially considering the reworking they are doing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 11, 2010, 06:22:29 AM
I'm also waiting and very interested. I just had this idea that since RS1 is called Ivory and RS2 is supposed to be called Ebony, I hope RS2 will be darker, more serious, and possibly heavier, which would most likely solve my main and only real problem with RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on December 11, 2010, 06:24:07 AM
They are? I thought it was going to be like RS, what are they doing to it(wasn't it recorded like 5 years ago)?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 11, 2010, 08:24:00 AM
I'm also waiting and very interested. I just had this idea that since RS1 is called Ivory and RS2 is supposed to be called Ebony, I hope RS2 will be darker, more serious, and possibly heavier, which would most likely solve my main and only real problem with RS1.

Daniel has said the two albums will still sound like songs that belong together as a whole.  They are just reworking parts of it, not changing most of the songs or the album's general sound. 

Also, you don't have to like it, but I can't help but feel most people here are missing the point of Enter Rain.  No one ever said it was the most creative thing that Daniel has ever written, or the most "epic";  it's the simplicity of the song and the buildup that makes it so great to me, even if it was probably the easiest PoS song to write, I find it one of the very most effective.  The Perfect Element was complex and metaphoric, but Scarsick was direct and simple (and in my opinion, effective), take it or leave it. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 11, 2010, 02:56:07 PM
If RS2 is like RS1, I won't be disappointed.

Scarsick and RS1 are both 4 out of 5 star records for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on December 11, 2010, 04:32:59 PM
For me Scarsick is easily better than TPE, I used to love TPE and hate Scarsick at my getting into POS period but now after many many listens I have almost no desire to listen to TPE (I still enjoy it very much when I listen to it but I just don't have any feeling like OMG I must listen to this right now) and I still have desire to listen to everything from Scrasick and there's no emotionally emptier moment there maybe except for MMMM I can live without that song but it's still good... And Idiocracy + Flame To The Moth combo is one of my favorite pieces of music overall it gets me everytime there's just so much emotion there
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 11, 2010, 09:58:07 PM
For me Scarsick is easily better than TPE, I used to love TPE and hate Scarsick at my getting into POS period but now after many many listens I have almost no desire to listen to TPE (I still enjoy it very much when I listen to it but I just don't have any feeling like OMG I must listen to this right now) and I still have desire to listen to everything from Scrasick and there's no emotionally emptier moment there maybe except for MMMM I can live without that song but it's still good... And Idiocracy + Flame To The Moth combo is one of my favorite pieces of music overall it gets me everytime there's just so much emotion there

Thank you.  Our minority is few in number but strong in heart. 

Go Scarsick!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 12, 2010, 05:55:44 AM
Criiiiiiiibcaged
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on December 13, 2010, 04:00:11 AM
For me Scarsick is easily better than TPE, I used to love TPE and hate Scarsick at my getting into POS period but now after many many listens I have almost no desire to listen to TPE (I still enjoy it very much when I listen to it but I just don't have any feeling like OMG I must listen to this right now) and I still have desire to listen to everything from Scrasick and there's no emotionally emptier moment there maybe except for MMMM I can live without that song but it's still good... And Idiocracy + Flame To The Moth combo is one of my favorite pieces of music overall it gets me everytime there's just so much emotion there

Thank you.  Our minority is few in number but strong in heart. 

Go Scarsick!

Scarsick is the best them!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: toro on December 13, 2010, 10:48:34 AM
Scarsick is great I love Disco Queen and Enter Rain and Cribcaged and Spitfall... Fuck it. The whole album is great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 20, 2010, 01:56:11 PM
http://top2010.roadrunnerrecords.com/2010/mikael-akerfeldt/

Mikael Akerfeldt seemed to like Road Salt a lot. 

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 20, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
Now this is something I wouldn't expect.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on December 20, 2010, 02:00:41 PM
Why not? Steven Wilson said he liked it a lot as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 20, 2010, 02:04:54 PM
I don't know... just knowing Mikael I find it kind of surprising. The same way I would be very surprised if Daniel liked Watershed for example.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 20, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
qRoad Salt One and Scarsick are great albums. America is a fun song along with Disco Queen. Sleeping Under The Stars is pretty cool and would be fun if they could pull it off live.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 20, 2010, 03:42:34 PM
I don't know... just knowing Mikael I find it kind of surprising. The same way I would be very surprised if Daniel liked Watershed for example.

mmm... I've heard the two are good friends with a mutual respect for each other's music.  I think I read somewhere that Daniel liked Opeth as well as Mikael like Pain of Salvation. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 20, 2010, 03:54:22 PM
Interesting, wasn't aware of it. All I remember there was an interview where he was asked about Swedish extreme metal like Opeth and Meshuggah, and he said something like technical metal doesn't fascinate him because he can figure out the rhythm quite easily, and said nothing about Opeth altogether. I've always understood it as basically "meh", but then I guess I misunderstood it. Mikael on the other hand was asked about them in Metal Hammer here and he just said they asked PoS once to tour with them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fnejk on December 21, 2010, 02:17:48 AM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2010, 02:54:33 AM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on December 21, 2010, 06:59:26 AM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

It's always in my top 3. And I mean always.

Top 3 would bounce between The Perfect Element, Beyond The Pale and A Trace of Blood
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 21, 2010, 10:51:51 AM
No

Definitely this.  It's probably not even a top ten for me.  It's good, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: carl320 on December 21, 2010, 12:41:39 PM
Just dropped in to say that The Perfect Element is > all other pos songs  ;)

FTFY
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Pirate on December 21, 2010, 12:59:11 PM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)
Agreed
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 21, 2010, 05:13:58 PM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

No.
Not even top 3 on RL, sorry (A Trace of Blood, Undertow, Fandango, Rope Ends). It's a great song, but definitely not that great.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:16:41 PM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

No.
Not even top 3 on RL, sorry (A Trace of Blood, Undertow, Fandango, Rope Ends). It's a great song, but definitely not that great.

It's better than Fandango and A Trace of Blood.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 21, 2010, 05:20:05 PM
No. Fandango is amazing because of how unusual it is. It's a song that seems to me like it's ripping most rock/metal traditions to shreds and resulting in something totally unusual in terms of... basically everything. And it's amazingly catchy in the process. A Trace of Blood on the other hand... well, the emotion in the song is just incredible. I needed time to appreciate it, but when I did, it's competing even with Undertow. And the last words of the song... I can't even describe the feeling.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:21:24 PM
No. Fandango is amazing because of how unusual it is. It's a song that seems to me like it's ripping most rock/metal traditions to shreds and resulting in something totally unusual in terms of... basically everything. And it's amazingly catchy in the process. A Trace of Blood on the other hand... well, the emotion in the song is just incredible. I needed time to appreciate it, but when I did, it's competing even with Undertow. And the last words of the song... I can't even describe the feeling.

The chorus to Fandango just ruins it for me. It just loses any sense of groove when it forces an odd time signature for no reason.



Granted the chorus to BTP isn't amazing either, but it's far from the annoyingness that is the Fandango chorus.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 21, 2010, 05:24:14 PM
You mean the "all his/her life..." chorus? It's actually my favourite part of the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:25:57 PM
You mean the "all his/her life..." chorus? It's actually my favourite part of the song.

huh? No, I mean the "Live that you might find the answers...." part.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on December 21, 2010, 05:28:02 PM
Ah, right. Actually, either would work as chorus. :P I also like it because of how unexpected it is. It just appears out of nowhere, while also not being out of place.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Ah, right. Actually, either would work as chorus. :P I also like it because of how unexpected it is. It just appears out of nowhere, while also not being out of place.

The time signature is out of place. It sounds weird and not in a good way. It seems like it should have been 4/4 but was forced into an odd time for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 21, 2010, 05:43:35 PM
The only reason that chorus sounds weird at all is because of the drums. It sounds fine later when he's just singing it with the piano line.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 05:44:30 PM
The only reason that chorus sounds weird at all is because of the drums. It sounds fine later when he's just singing it with the piano line.

True, the drums just emphasize the time signature though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 21, 2010, 11:55:31 PM
I love the chorus of "Fandango."  The weird time signature doesn't bother me at all; in fact, it's part of the appeal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 21, 2010, 11:57:32 PM
I love the chorus of "Fandango."  The weird time signature doesn't bother me at all; in fact, it's part of the appeal.

Fair enough, can't stand it myself.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 22, 2010, 12:08:13 AM
I love the chorus of "Fandango."  The weird time signature doesn't bother me at all; in fact, it's part of the appeal.
Fair enough, can't stand it myself.
I mean, I totally get what you're talking about.  Every time I hear that chorus I think to myself: "such a strange rhythm" -- but it's never bothered me.  I've always thought it was cool.  However, I could see something like that taking you out of the song in a way, which I'm guessing is what happens for you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on December 22, 2010, 12:41:18 AM
Just dropped in to say that Beyond the pale is > all other pos songs  ;)

No.
Not even top 3 on RL, sorry (A Trace of Blood, Undertow, Fandango, Rope Ends). It's a great song, but definitely not that great.

It's better than Fandango and A Trace of Blood.

No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on December 22, 2010, 06:20:24 AM
I love the chorus of "Fandango."  The weird time signature doesn't bother me at all; in fact, it's part of the appeal.
Fair enough, can't stand it myself.
I mean, I totally get what you're talking about.  Every time I hear that chorus I think to myself: "such a strange rhythm" -- but it's never bothered me.  I've always thought it was cool.  However, I could see something like that taking you out of the song in a way, which I'm guessing is what happens for you.

I'm pretty undecided on that chorus, sometimes I really like it, other times it just annoys me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on December 22, 2010, 06:41:46 AM
The only reason that chorus sounds weird at all is because of the drums. It sounds fine later when he's just singing it with the piano line.

True, the drums just emphasize the time signature though.
Actually, the entire song, including that section, is in 5/4, that doesn't change. It's the underlying rhytm that comes out a bit weird, what with the bass drum that always seems to be ahead of everything else.

And yes, that song is awesome and one of the most original things I've ever heard. I wish DG would still write songs like that...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 11:57:11 AM
Was listening to lots of PoS today, I can't decide which is better - BE or TPE1. But hey, rankings ahoy:

BE / TPE1
Scarsick (yup, above RL)
RL
RS1
Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 23, 2010, 12:03:46 PM
Was listening to lots of PoS today, I can't decide which is better - BE or TPE1. But hey, rankings ahoy:

BE / TPE1
Scarsick (yup, above RL)
RL
RS1
Entropia
OHBTCL

That's about exactly as I would do it.  Except drop TPE down to 3rd.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
Scarsick above TPE1?

Ooo, you rebel :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on December 23, 2010, 12:14:04 PM
BE
Road Salt One
Entropia
TPE
RL
Scarsick
OHBTCL

There's mine...a little different to a lot of peoples  :D
Really, really looking forward to RS2
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on December 23, 2010, 12:16:26 PM
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
BE
Entropia
One Hour By the Concrete Lake
Road Salt One
Scarsick

I've grown to love all of their album, though :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 12:21:40 PM
I think Iter Impius might be my favourite PoS song, I can't stop listening to it.

Daniel shines so much, the guitar solo is to die for, and the lyrics as the culmination/realisation of mr money in the concept is just so brilliant. Oh and the ending.

Iter Impius > Used > Enter Rain > others
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 23, 2010, 12:28:43 PM
I don't understand why Iter Impius always overshadows Martius/Nauticus II when it should be the other way around. 

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on December 23, 2010, 01:26:24 PM
Since we're doing that whole rankings thing for the 743,326th time...

1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Scarsick
6. BE
7. Road Salt One
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 23, 2010, 01:28:48 PM
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
BE
Entropia
One Hour By the Concrete Lake
Road Salt One
Scarsick

I've grown to love all of their album, though :)

Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 05:25:10 PM
Since we're doing that whole rankings thing for the 743,326th time...

1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Scarsick
6. BE
7. Road Salt One

The hell is wrnog wuih you?!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 23, 2010, 06:00:34 PM
1. Remedy Lane
2. The Perfect Element Pt. 1
3. Road Salt One
4. BE
5. Entropia
6. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
7. Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 23, 2010, 06:16:30 PM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on December 23, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
1. Remedy Lane
This man knows his shit!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 23, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?

I love BE.

BE and Scarsick are the best. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on December 24, 2010, 12:29:14 AM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?

I love BE.

BE are the best. 

You have poor grammar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on December 24, 2010, 12:42:04 AM
Since we're doing that whole rankings thing for the 743,326th time...

1. The Perfect Element
2. Remedy Lane
3. Entropia
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Scarsick
6. BE
7. Road Salt One

The hell is wrnog wuih you?!
Many things, I'd imagine, but none related to this ranking.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on December 24, 2010, 03:15:42 AM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?
BE is ze best.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on December 24, 2010, 06:34:32 AM
Man, we need more BE love here.

Where is Voxyiain?
BE is ze best.

Yay for BE  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on December 24, 2010, 07:27:16 AM
Nihil Morari is made of pure win! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on December 24, 2010, 11:12:17 AM
Nihil Morari is made of pure win! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: toro on December 24, 2010, 11:37:37 AM
Nihil Morari is made of pure win! :hefdaddy
Wuts dat? is dat sum kind of indian food?






:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 25, 2010, 05:57:16 AM
Nihil Morari is made of pure win! :hefdaddy
Wuts dat? is dat sum kind of indian food?






:neverusethis:

Deus and Iter are what disney is about....nah jk....its about matterhorn

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Keyboardframe on December 25, 2010, 05:58:34 AM
TPE
Be
RL
Entropia
Scarsick
RS1
OHBTCL

yup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on December 25, 2010, 09:33:29 AM
1. Scarsick
2. BE
3. Road Salt One
4. Entropia
5. Remedy Lane
6. The Perfect Element
7. One Hour By The Concrete Lake

But I love them all
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on December 25, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
Since we're doing it again...

1. TPE
2. RL
3. OHBTCL
4. Entropia
5. BE
...
6. Scarsick
7. RS1

Entropia and BE are swapping places every now and then, depending on how strong Iter and Nihil Morari hit me at the time I'm listening to them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on January 07, 2011, 01:00:01 AM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs766.snc4/66649_1595916348536_1554800148_1503207_3661572_n.jpg)

Yes, they actually sold this T-shirt at the Road Salt One tour. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on January 07, 2011, 01:03:45 AM
 :lol


Also, quick albums ranking

1. BE
2. Remedy Lane/The Perfect Element
4. Road Salt One
5. Scarsick
6. Entropia
7. OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on January 07, 2011, 01:09:11 AM
I WANT THAT FUCKING SHIRT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on January 07, 2011, 01:10:33 AM
By the way, one thing I don't understand...

They've apparantly made two more videos beside Linoleum, but why does it never get released?? There are several images on Daniel's Facebook page, with comments like "Soon on a computer near you" and the like. What happened?

I guess I'll just have to do with sexy Daniel pics... :'(

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1178.snc4/155064_1660595965486_1554800148_1617042_5195447_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36706_1453889397951_1554800148_1147721_1234918_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs133.snc4/36972_1453152059518_1554800148_1145823_4014820_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs244.snc1/9134_1219861307395_1554800148_579205_944806_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 07, 2011, 03:15:01 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 07, 2011, 04:22:58 AM
Yea, the one with the blood is for Where it Hurts. Don't know why it hasn't been released.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: carl320 on January 07, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
The Perfect Element
Remedy Lane
One Hour
BE
Road Salt
Entropia
Scarsick

BE is a great album, but it's not very high in my rankings because TPE1, RL and OHBTCL are better, IMO.

Iter Impius, however...  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on January 07, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Scarsick > Remedy Lane = The Perfect Element > Entropia = One Hour By the Concrete Lake >>>>>>>>>> BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 07, 2011, 08:44:47 PM
BE >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Perfect Element > One Hour by the Concrete Lake > Entropia > Remedy Lane > Road Salt One > Scarsick

I'm not saying that their discog besides BE sucks, I'm saying that BE is so godly that nothing else can compare.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 07, 2011, 09:16:08 PM
Every other page of a Pain of Salvation thread here is album rankings.



BE = Scarsick > TPE > Entropia > RSO > RL > OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 07, 2011, 09:50:27 PM
Can we stop ranking?

We have naked gildenlow here!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 07, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
That's old news




But one thing is obvious.  Daniel shaves  :omg:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 07, 2011, 10:09:18 PM
:|
Sweet merciful Jeebus...

If there was anything that would make me not listen to music.... that post is it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gadough on January 08, 2011, 01:00:44 AM
That's old news




But one thing is obvious.  Daniel shaves  :omg:

I don't find that surprising for some reason.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2011, 04:32:01 AM
Dunno if everybody has seen this, but I was just surfing youtube and found a great quality live clip of People Passing By from Progpower.  Good stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKR88kBgUaA
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on January 08, 2011, 07:11:12 AM
^Awesome song. One of the best closing solos ever. DT-esque.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 08, 2011, 09:22:35 AM
Does anyone else think that the "I hold up my head, this was my life.." part of King of Loss is one of mankind's top 5 accomplishments? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Keyboardframe on January 08, 2011, 09:35:11 AM
Does anyone else think that the "I hold up my head, this was my life.." part of King of Loss is one of mankind's top 5 accomplishments? 

Pain of Salvation's, yes. That's one of their best songs, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2011, 05:34:58 PM
Does anyone else think that the "I hold up my head, this was my life.." part of King of Loss is one of mankind's top 5 accomplishments? 

The whole song especially the last 6 minutes is one of the greatest things ever!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on January 08, 2011, 05:42:33 PM
For me the most amazing part of King of Loss is the "Is this all I am?" part. It's just... incredible. Also the chorus. And the solo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 08, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
Best part of that album? That moment from 00:01 of Used to the very last second of TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on January 08, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
FOR EVERY TIME YOU FROZE ME OUT
EVERY PUNCH, EVERY SHOUT
FOR NOT BELIEVING IN ME
FOR YOUR STUPIDITY
FOR STEALING WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :hefdaddy  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 08, 2011, 06:30:44 PM
My personal favorite part is on Reconciliation when Daniel just keeps going higher and higher. There's a similar section in Used that I adore as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on January 08, 2011, 06:37:15 PM
FOR SOME CHANGES TIME PASSES BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Falling far beyond the point of no return
Nothing to become, and nothing left to burn...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on January 08, 2011, 06:42:07 PM
GIMME GIMME GIMME YO LOVE AFTAH MIDNI---


Wait, nvm.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on January 08, 2011, 06:43:58 PM
._.

[actually I've just come to a weird conclusion it's not that far away from RS1 lyrics :p]
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on January 08, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
Shoulda been a hidden bonus track.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on January 08, 2011, 07:13:40 PM
Does anyone else think that the "I hold up my head, this was my life.." part of King of Loss is one of mankind's top 5 accomplishments? 

Absolutely agree.

That specific part (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RApsO2AWwZY) is the best piece of music i've ever heard.

Ever. And with how consistant the whole album is, I doubt it will ever be surpassed. PoS are truly one of a kind.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 08, 2011, 09:49:17 PM
Iter Impius is one of the best songs ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 08, 2011, 09:49:55 PM
Iter Impius is one of the best songs ever.

Live Version > Studio Version.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 08, 2011, 09:53:19 PM
Thorn Clown is probably a top ten for me, and most haven't even heard it.  It's really, really freaking good!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 09, 2011, 05:03:24 AM
I want Daniel as friend on facebook but he has too many requests :(.

Also, Linoleum (the song) is a great way to introduce people to PoS. It might not be really representative,  but everybody seems to love the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 09, 2011, 09:00:56 AM
I love Daniel's scream soooooooooo much
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 11, 2011, 04:11:00 AM
Hadn't listened to Road Salt in months. Put it on again yesterday and am addicted to it again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2011, 04:12:30 AM
I want Daniel as friend on facebook but he has too many requests :(.

Also, Linoleum (the song) is a great way to introduce people to PoS. It might not be really representative,  but everybody seems to love the song.

Easily one of their best songs IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on January 11, 2011, 04:56:10 AM
I love Daniel's scream soooooooooo much
Waking Every God and Idioglossia. :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on January 11, 2011, 05:21:38 AM
Makes me wonder what he sounds like in the sack. :lol

Me and my girlfriend have both made a "free card list", basically people we're allowed to fuck should the oppoturnity arise. Mostly famous persons. :P Daniel tops both of our lists.

 :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: carl320 on January 11, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
FOR SOME CHANGES TIME PASSES BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY


I've love this part of TPE.  All the tension builds throughout the album, and then releases with this line  :metal

One of many reasons The Perfect Element Pt. 1 is my favorite album of all time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 11, 2011, 03:24:21 PM
Makes me wonder what he sounds like in the sack. :lol

Me and my girlfriend have both made a "free card list", basically people we're allowed to fuck should the oppoturnity arise. Mostly famous persons. :P Daniel tops both of our lists.

 :metal
:lol epic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 11, 2011, 03:32:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgG7HI8E0dk  :metal  :metal  :metal

Leo is one AWESOME vocalist! 




(And it's not Nights in White Satin  :D )
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 11, 2011, 05:47:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgG7HI8E0dk  :metal  :metal  :metal

Leo is one AWESOME vocalist! 




If only he were as good a drummer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 11, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
no u
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 11, 2011, 06:37:14 PM
no u

If only I were as good a drummer? That would be cool too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 11, 2011, 06:40:32 PM
Yeah.  I was only trying to point out how much I like your singing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on January 12, 2011, 01:29:41 AM
A great part by PoS is also the "I set myself on fire" near the end of TPE  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on January 12, 2011, 05:52:03 AM
My favorite parts would be the second verse(In his head a thunderous...), and the way DG shouts "THIS IS THE END!!!"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Darkes7 on January 12, 2011, 07:06:48 AM
Let's just make it clear - The Perfect Element (Falling included) is one of the most amazing things in existence.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 12, 2011, 07:41:32 AM
Let's just make it clear - The Perfect Element (Falling included) is one of the most amazing things in existence.
Indeed. Also, the intro to The Perfect Element is one of the greatest intros IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 22, 2011, 12:03:38 PM
THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU CAN FUAAAAAOOOCK HER LIKE I CAN


OH NO


YOUR SIMPLY




NOT THAT KIND OF MAN





 :metal  :metal  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Sigz on January 22, 2011, 12:04:51 PM
Let's just make it clear - The Perfect Element (Falling included) is one of the most amazing things in existence.

Nah, it's a pretty poor closer; Beyond the Pale is waayyy better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Pirate on January 22, 2011, 01:34:44 PM
Agreed with Sigz. BTP is the greatest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 22, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
The Perfect Element (song) is full of stronger melodies and emotions than Beyond the Pale, it just fails to tie them all together correctly.  Which is why I hold those two about equal.


However, Enter Rain holds up perfectly on both the strong melodies/emotions and tying it all together, so it is, in my humble opinion, the best them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 22, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgG7HI8E0dk  :metal  :metal  :metal

Leo is one AWESOME vocalist! 


(And it's not Nights in White Satin  :D )

Wow, that's pretty damn good. Presumably Daniel took over on drums there?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 22, 2011, 01:54:15 PM
Yeah, Daniel drums.


Speaking of which, has anyone else heard Tip Toe Two?  It's a demo from Road Salt in sort of a raw jazz rock style.  Daniel is drumming, and the drums are really freaking impressive. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 22, 2011, 07:09:18 PM
THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU CAN FUAAAAAOOOCK HER LIKE I CAN


OH NO


YOUR SIMPLY




NOT THAT KIND OF MAN





 :metal  :metal  :metal

That extended version of the song is much worse than the normal one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 22, 2011, 07:10:57 PM
I'm going to pretend you meant "better".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 22, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Yeah, the way Daniel sings "Fuuooaack" contradicts PC's statement completely.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 22, 2011, 07:13:36 PM
God fucking dammit, PC.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 22, 2011, 07:47:46 PM
Seriously. The original song is awesome. The extended one just drags on... I'm glad they went with the normal one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 22, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
I prefer the extended one. Awesome song, especially when combined with 'What she means to me'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 23, 2011, 02:50:45 AM
I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 23, 2011, 03:08:49 AM
I agree with everything Voxyn just said. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 23, 2011, 07:08:21 AM
I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 23, 2011, 09:15:30 AM
I don't like the normal version maybe because I heard extended version. Maybe because the verses are great and they all are a bit different so cutting out two of them doesn't feel right or maybe because I miss the transitions from verse to verse... But it doesn't matter cause they played it extended live and I own special edition so I'm happy with my extended version and especially with What She Means To Me I can't imagine starting album without that song it's so much awesome

I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.
I listened to the standard version once. It was my first listen of the album. After I got my hands on the extended songs, I fell in love with the album. There probably isn't much of a connection, but I do know that the extended versions are the songs that clicked with me, and the standard versions just seem short now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 23, 2011, 09:20:25 AM
I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 23, 2011, 10:27:43 AM
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Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 23, 2011, 12:10:16 PM
I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 

Pretty much this if the profanity isn't necessary here then there's no way it is necessary anywhere else, so there is no reason to even talk about some necessarity... But I agree that who likes what version probably depends the most on what version did you listen multiple times enough during getting into album period

Wait a minute i just listened to the normal version after some months right now and I realised that the verses are not the only thing that misses. They cut off half from the first soft section with just piano and vocals. And that section is one of my favorite moments from the album and from the POS overall so this made the normal version pretty much worthless for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bodiesinflight on January 24, 2011, 10:56:34 AM
Why haven't I listened to Remedy Lane in so long? I'd totally forgotten how good it was.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jsem on January 25, 2011, 04:08:59 PM
Listening to Be. Going to have to follow up on listening to all POS albums... Imago is epic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on January 25, 2011, 04:18:45 PM
I don't have the extended version, but from what I've heard I just don't think I'm missing out on much. I guess people like whatever one they listened to first. Personally, after hearing it so many times listening to a different version with extra verses and unnecessary profanity tacked on didn't do anything for me.

The profanity was completely necessary.  No Way is an angry, jealous song. 

Now, I've always felt the drum solo to be a bit unnecessary, but it only takes No Way down from the perfect category into the amazing category. 

The drum solo in No Way is awesome. :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Pirate on January 25, 2011, 07:29:09 PM
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Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on January 26, 2011, 06:34:04 AM
Why haven't I listened to Remedy Lane in so long? I'd totally forgotten how good it was.
I realized this too. Of the Two Beginnings is surprisingly good as an opener and a song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 26, 2011, 12:52:24 PM
Oh yeah, especially when the A Trace of Blood melody comes in. It's a perfect opening song.


And also when the Beyond the Pale bit comes on...sort of, it's a variation I think. These are all just observations.

Here's what I mean from the two:

And there's nothing that we'd rather shaaare
---
In the morning she's going awaaaay
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 26, 2011, 02:44:28 PM
Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 


Even Scarsick had some subtle ones. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 26, 2011, 03:20:41 PM
Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 
Unusual terminology, but if you mean what I think you mean, then there are a couple. The start of Where It Hurts is based on the theme from Sisters.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 26, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
Road Salt One must be the first Pain of Salvation without any definite musical reincorporation. 
Unusual terminology, but if you mean what I think you mean, then there are a couple. The start of Where It Hurts is based on the theme from Sisters.

That's a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you think?  I mean, 1,7,6 is not an uncommon progression.  However, it is possible. 

I meant more in specific melodies being repeated, such as the ones Sonata mentioned, the Imago one that shows up in BE, the drum pattern that repeats itself several times in Scarsick, etc. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 26, 2011, 04:15:04 PM
Yeah, I don't think RS1 is a concept album, which is a first for them, so that might be why there are no repeated melodies as such, just some subtler references.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: skydivingninja on January 27, 2011, 03:44:40 PM
According to wiki, RS1 is a concept album.

Anyways, inspired by Sigz's top albums list, I'm going to attempt to pick up on what makes PoS so adored.  Remedy Lane is all right to me, with a few standouts, but a few clunkers as well.  I was going to try The Perfect Element, but found RS1 first.  After hearing "Linoleum," which I didn't like, and "Road Salt," which I thought was better, I figured, "maybe the album is better than that song."  Well, I've started my first listen of RS1, and "No Way" kicked in, and I was getting the feeling that the whole album would be full of this mediocre throwback classic/garage rock that not even an interesting atmospheric passage could save.  I'm on "Of Dust" right now.  This one and the last two songs have been a vast improvement, especially "Sisters."  It seems really easy to get lost in that song. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 27, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
Sisters is incredible, one of my favourite PoS songs.

And yeah, I wouldn't trust wikipedia, but I can see why some people would consider it a concept album, as the songs are all about very similar themes. There's no narrative though, which is why there's no directly recurring themes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 03:53:04 PM
SDN, Road Salt isn't exactly a starters album for PoS.  It's great, but The Perfect Element would be a better album to get into them.  
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 27, 2011, 03:56:23 PM
And yeah, I wouldn't trust wikipedia, but I can see why some people would consider it a concept album, as the songs are all about very similar themes. There's no narrative though, which is why there's no directly recurring themes.

I think what SDN is trying to get at is that he is one of those misinformed few who define "concept album" as anything with a theme.

But let's not let any of that shit go down in here.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 27, 2011, 03:59:01 PM
Yeah, I don't think RS1 is a concept album, which is a first for them, so that might be why there are no repeated melodies as such, just some subtler references.

I'm not 100% sure if they're 100% identical, but it sounds like the Sisters melody is also in the middle or ending or whatever of Where it Hurts. The "everyone I know seems to be broken" part.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 04:00:47 PM
It's the same chord progression.  But it's a very common progression so it could likely be a coincidence. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on January 27, 2011, 04:01:09 PM
They're not terribly similar, but it's the same fender rhodes sound and it definitely makes you think back to Sisters.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on January 27, 2011, 04:16:24 PM
Got the deluxe edition of RS1 finally. I love the intro song, it leads in really nicely.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: skydivingninja on January 27, 2011, 04:18:28 PM
And yeah, I wouldn't trust wikipedia, but I can see why some people would consider it a concept album, as the songs are all about very similar themes. There's no narrative though, which is why there's no directly recurring themes.

I think what SDN is trying to get at is that he is one of those misinformed few who define "concept album" as anything with a theme.

But let's not let any of that shit go down in here.

I don't know what the concept of Road Salt 1 is just from listening to the album once, but I think albums that share a central theme like Dark Side of the Moon can be considered concept albums.  Albums with a narrative can be called concept albums or rock operas as well, they don't need dialogue to be called the latter.  My disagreement with the "official forum definitions" is well-known to the one person that gives a fuck (spoilers, its me).  

ANYways, RS1 has got some good stuff on it, but every time they try and go for a more retro sound, it doesn't work.  "Innocence," "Sisters," and "Road Salt" are some early favorites from this album right now.  I'll listen again, but this time I won't let Fair to Midland make me dizzy with amazement before I do.

DTismajesty: Yeah, I might try TPE1 later.  I mean, if I can't really get into that one then I guess I'll stop trying.  Its not like I hate PoS, I just never saw what was so special about them and I'd like to hear what it is, if possible.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 27, 2011, 04:23:10 PM
I'm not sure I agree with him on that, TPE1 is harder to get into IMO. It's quite dense and is a real grower. At least it was with me.

And yeah, like I said some people will define it as a concept album; I was more getting at the lack of narrative meaning no obvious recurring themes really.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on January 27, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
I'm not sure I agree with him on that, TPE1 is harder to get into IMO. It's quite dense and is a real grower. At least it was with me. 
Yeah, TPE1 completely turned me off of Pain of Salvation the first time I heard it. I re-visisted about 2 months later and couldn't understand what the dividing line was between it and me.

It's honestly one of the most beautifully frail albums I've ever heard. Every second is packed with so much emotion, and it's probably one of the few albums that has songs that really choke me up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 04:38:06 PM
I'm not sure I agree with him on that, TPE1 is harder to get into IMO. It's quite dense and is a real grower. At least it was with me.

And yeah, like I said some people will define it as a concept album; I was more getting at the lack of narrative meaning no obvious recurring themes really.
 

 
I don't think it's the BEST one to get into, but if not that than what?  Considering that he has already heard Remedy Lane.  I mean, BE and Scarsick are definitely much harder to get into, and the first two albums might present a turn off in the form of the production and what-not. 

TPE was the second album I really got into with them.

There are some pretty instantly likable songs.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 27, 2011, 06:20:54 PM
I'm not sure I agree with him on that, TPE1 is harder to get into IMO. It's quite dense and is a real grower. At least it was with me.

And yeah, like I said some people will define it as a concept album; I was more getting at the lack of narrative meaning no obvious recurring themes really.

For the first point, I agree. It's not a starting place.

For the second point, I'm pretty sure Daniel defines it as a concept record, as he defines all their albums as such (I think, I'm not sure about Road Salt, but I know he's said Scarsick is). However, I've never really 'gotten' the concept of any PoS albums aside from Be and Remedy Lane, so who knows. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 06:24:45 PM
I will try to find the interview where Daniel confirms Road Salt isn't a concept album.  He says the songs only "vibrate on the same frequency."  Kind of like a Porcupine Tree album, I guess.


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 27, 2011, 06:27:16 PM
DTismajesty: Yeah, I might try TPE1 later.  I mean, if I can't really get into that one then I guess I'll stop trying.  Its not like I hate PoS, I just never saw what was so special about them and I'd like to hear what it is, if possible.
Finding out what's so amazing about POS is a long trip. Don't expect to find out any time soon.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 27, 2011, 06:39:14 PM
A really crappy and distracting interview, with background music and everything, but Daniel goes into great depth about the structure and concept.  So, as I said earlier, the album follows no story.  The songs are all separate stories that are meant to connect and relate to each other, or "vibrate on the same frequency."



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY0npuCRuJE&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 28, 2011, 03:41:02 AM
For the second point, I'm pretty sure Daniel defines it as a concept record, as he defines all their albums as such (I think, I'm not sure about Road Salt, but I know he's said Scarsick is). However, I've never really 'gotten' the concept of any PoS albums aside from Be and Remedy Lane, so who knows. 
Yeah Scarsick was one, as with all their other albums pre-RS1 (except possibly Entropia? I've never really known what that album is about :lol).

But yeah RS1 doesn't have any narrative. Thanks for finding that link dtismajesty, I knew I remembered him saying something about it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on January 28, 2011, 06:19:46 PM
DTismajesty: Yeah, I might try TPE1 later.  I mean, if I can't really get into that one then I guess I'll stop trying.  Its not like I hate PoS, I just never saw what was so special about them and I'd like to hear what it is, if possible.
Finding out what's so amazing about POS is a long trip. Don't expect to find out any time soon.

This. I heard RL and TPE1 5+ times each before I got into them properly.

But now....DAMN THEY'RE GOOD.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 28, 2011, 07:21:19 PM
Perhaps starting with Entropia? It's quite a good album and carries with them many unique traits as well with sounds that mix ease and complexity regarding the ability to obtain comfort and understanding.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 28, 2011, 07:26:55 PM
I dunno.  Entropia was the last album of theirs that I got into.  It was the iffy production and the fact that it possessed less catchy melodies.

I don't understand why the Perfect Element would be anywhere near the hardest to get into.  Songs like In the Flesh, Morning on Earth, and Song for the Innocent are so instantly likable, and the other, more dense tracks came around quickly. 

But then again, my opinions don't really match others.  The album that clicked for me first is Scarsick and that one is my favorite, which I know isn't the normal PoS fan choice.   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 28, 2011, 07:30:29 PM
I had listened to Remedy Lane and Scarsick, liked Remedy Lane a fair bit. When I got TPE and heard Used for the first time, that was it.

Unrelated, listening to RS1 again. What an awesome album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on January 28, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
Yeah, where is RS2 damn it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 28, 2011, 07:44:09 PM
Seriously, I'm so close to downloading the Linoleum EP just so I can hear some damned material from it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 29, 2011, 12:18:05 AM
I always forget about the existence of Linoleum.  Gone is such an awesome song, too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 29, 2011, 12:35:10 PM
I'm not going to listen to Linoleum EP until I will see tracklist for RS2 then I will listen to the songs that are not going to be on RS2 if there are going to be any
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2011, 05:43:12 PM
Are you saying you guys haven't heard the other songs from Linoleum?  Mortar Grind is better than most songs on RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 29, 2011, 06:41:50 PM
Are you saying you guys haven't heard the other songs from Linoleum?  Mortar Grind is better than most songs on RS1.
I disagree. But it is good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 29, 2011, 06:45:30 PM
Gone is my favorite on Linoleum, that is one hell of a song. 


If You Wait is also amazing.  I consider it almost an obvious homage to Jeff Buckley.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on January 29, 2011, 06:55:11 PM
Yeah Gone is probably my favourite.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 30, 2011, 02:32:44 AM
Are you saying you guys haven't heard the other songs from Linoleum?  Mortar Grind is better than most songs on RS1.

I didn't hear any of them except for Linoleum of course I want to have full new experience from RS2 I'm sure that at least one of those three songs is going to be on that album... And if they are so great it's even bigger motivation for me cause I want to feel that greatness in whole album. But I think that at least the tracklist for RS2 should be released very soon didn't Daniel want it to be realesed in early 2011 in his last update?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2011, 02:54:14 AM
Are you saying you guys haven't heard the other songs from Linoleum?  Mortar Grind is better than most songs on RS1.

I didn't hear any of them except for Linoleum of course I want to have full new experience from RS2 I'm sure that at least one of those three songs is going to be on that album... And if they are so great it's even bigger motivation for me cause I want to feel that greatness in whole album. But I think that at least the tracklist for RS2 should be released very soon didn't Daniel want it to be realesed in early 2011 in his last update?

Yeah, it was already postponed from Oct/Nov last year and we are still waiting.  If the other Linoleum songs will be on RS2, I think I will like that one more.  Nevertheless, we want RS2!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on January 30, 2011, 02:55:32 AM
Oh yes I am very much looking forward to RS2. There are a few songs on RS1 that aren't my favorite, but I really do like that album a lot.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2011, 03:05:09 AM
Yeah, I guess Gone is a highlight from the EP, I was just always amazed with Mortar Grind and never seemed to look past it.  I love the Heaven and Hell riff in Gone.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 30, 2011, 03:09:28 AM
I thought the EP was pretty weak so I'm really glad they're retooling things for RS2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 30, 2011, 09:10:18 AM
I just want a good version of 'Conditioned'. It was awesome live  :hefdaddy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 30, 2011, 09:15:23 AM
I just want a good version of 'Conditioned'. It was awesome live  :hefdaddy.

Conditioned is an awesome song.  If anything, it should at least stay a part of their live set. 

Speaking of songs that would be awesome live, Curiosity!  Why don't they play it?  It would be such an energetic and awesome live song!


One more thing, no matter how much Gone is one of my favorite all time Pain of Salvation songs, I hope for the rest of the Linoleum songs to stay off of Road Salt Two.  Linoleum's presence on Road Salt One was awkward and quite honestly a waste of valuable track space.  And that was with only about a one year gap.  Including songs in an album without change that have already been released two years ago?  No thanks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
I just want a good version of 'Conditioned'. It was awesome live  :hefdaddy.

Conditioned is an awesome song.  If anything, it should at least stay a part of their live set. 

Speaking of songs that would be awesome live, Curiosity!  Why don't they play it?  It would be such an energetic and awesome live song!


One more thing, no matter how much Gone is one of my favorite all time Pain of Salvation songs, I hope for the rest of the Linoleum songs to stay off of Road Salt Two.  Linoleum's presence on Road Salt One was awkward and quite honestly a waste of valuable track space.  And that was with only about a one year gap.  Including songs in an album without change that have already been released two years ago?  No thanks.

As much as I'd love to see Mortar Grind on a full length album, I have to agree with you I think.  They have left it too long now to put those songs on an upcoming release, it needs to all be new material now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 30, 2011, 02:07:33 PM
As someone who never listened to the Linoleum EP, I think Linoleum works perfectly as a part of the album and it's not "wasted space". Seriously, it's one of the best songs on the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 30, 2011, 02:14:39 PM
As someone who never listened to the Linoleum EP, I think Linoleum works perfectly as a part of the album and it's not "wasted space". Seriously, it's one of the best songs on the album.

Well the whole point is that we had already heard it on the EP a year ago, and it seems strange being on the album a year later without a single change.  So I guess not hearing the EP saved Linoleum for you.


I listened the HELL out of that EP, and when RS1 came out it made me always want to skip the track since it was the only "old" song on there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on January 30, 2011, 02:18:20 PM
I would have the same, if it weren't one of the most awesome tracks ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on January 30, 2011, 04:27:52 PM
As someone who never listened to the Linoleum EP, I think Linoleum works perfectly as a part of the album and it's not "wasted space". Seriously, it's one of the best songs on the album.

Well the whole point is that we had already heard it on the EP a year ago, and it seems strange being on the album a year later without a single change.  So I guess not hearing the EP saved Linoleum for you.


I listened the HELL out of that EP, and when RS1 came out it made me always want to skip the track since it was the only "old" song on there.

Yeah the same thing happend for me with Constant Motion during SC release time, the song was awesome I totally overplayed it and it ruined the song at the context of the album when the album was finally released... I learnt from that and since that I have never listened to anything like that and never will until I hear the whole album. This is the reason why I really disliked the idea of Linoleum EP when it was announced it was just something that I will have to resist to listen to and I didn't even know at that time that it will go for this long because of RS2!

So even though I know it won't happen I really hope all three songs on Linoleum will be included on RS2 so I don't have to buy that EP :biggrin:

BTW I can confirm that including Linoleum on RS1 is great if you didn't hear that song before...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on February 01, 2011, 11:52:02 AM
Got TPE on, currently on King of Loss....tuuuuuuune!  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 01, 2011, 08:57:26 PM
Pain of Salvation should cover Supper's Ready. I've been imagining this for months.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: dethklok09 on February 01, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
recently got into this band (lolimanoob), what are some recomendations.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 01, 2011, 10:05:04 PM
"Disco Queen" is their best song. ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 01, 2011, 10:07:52 PM
"Disco Queen" is their best song. ;)
lol

Iter Impius is the best, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 01, 2011, 10:10:32 PM
Thorn Clown is the best  :hat


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on February 01, 2011, 10:11:36 PM
I don't think I could pick a best, they have so many great songs that are all quite lovely.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: dethklok09 on February 01, 2011, 11:51:43 PM
thank you adami I know wherever I am I can always count on such a swell guy such as you. :)
I think I may check out every song now from begining to end because they are so lovely :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 02, 2011, 02:51:22 AM
I'd consider Pain of Salvation songs to be a lot of things.

"Lovely" though? Seriously?  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 02, 2011, 04:49:57 AM
The best PoS song can only be The Perfect Element, sorry.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2011, 05:12:46 AM
The best PoS song can only be The Perfect Element, sorry.

No.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 02, 2011, 06:22:54 AM
The amount of emotion put into that song is almost equivalent to an entire album of theirs aside from TPE. True fax.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 02, 2011, 09:55:22 AM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 

I find the most emotional Pain of Salvation songs to be the ones with less abstract and more personal lyrics.  Such as a Trace of Blood, where you know what Daniel is singing about and you really feel what he was going through there.  Or Dedication.  That's another one.  And Thorn Clown. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 02, 2011, 09:59:12 AM
"Disco Queen" is their best song. ;)
lol

Iter Impius is the best, though.
I am not kidding.

It's so very catchy, unique, and just plain balls-out strange. I like that they tried something THIS different and actually ended up making a good song. I could listen to this song over and over again. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2011, 03:46:14 AM
Disco Queen is fantastic, I'd go as far as putting it in my top 15, maybe even 10.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 03, 2011, 05:03:50 AM
I find the most emotional Pain of Salvation songs to be the ones with less abstract and more personal lyrics.  Such as a Trace of Blood, where you know what Daniel is singing about and you really feel what he was going through there.  Or Dedication.  That's another one.  And Thorn Clown. 
A Trace of Blood. It came as a completely different song when I read up on the lyrics and the back story.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 03, 2011, 05:19:21 AM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 
I agree that the chorus is a little bland, but the bridge section ("Once...") is one of the greatest things in the history of music and more than makes up for it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 03, 2011, 05:46:31 AM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 
I agree that the chorus is a little bland, but the bridge section ("Once...") is one of the greatest things in the history of music and more than makes up for it.
Yeah, the chorus is not that great. The rest of the song is pretty much amazing, but even without the chorus it wouldn't be their best song. I'm not really sure what I'd consider their best song, but it's probably off of Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: FlashCE on February 03, 2011, 07:29:46 AM
The best PoS song can only be The Perfect Element, sorry.

This.

"Sisters" is second best.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on February 03, 2011, 10:32:38 AM
I find the chorus of TPE to be quite brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 03, 2011, 11:02:36 AM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 
I agree that the chorus is a little bland, but the bridge section ("Once...") is one of the greatest things in the history of music and more than makes up for it.
Yeah, the chorus is not that great. The rest of the song is pretty much amazing, but even without the chorus it wouldn't be their best song. I'm not really sure what I'd consider their best song, but it's probably off of Remedy Lane.
All of this.

Oh, and Beyond the Pale is the best them
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on February 03, 2011, 12:47:47 PM
I don't understand the resentment against the chorus.
I personally think the chorus is brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 03, 2011, 02:31:50 PM
So they are apparently in the early filming stages for a documentary... “If Has to Bleed a Little”  It's going to feature tour footage and recording footage and some other cool things.


To be honest I would probably only really take an interest if there was also live content.  I've been itching for some new live Pain of Salvation content recently.

Also, remember that video of Where It Hurts with the bloody sex scene?  That should hopefully be out in a few weeks at most.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2011, 02:34:40 PM
Yeah, both Be Live and Ending Themes are two of the best concerts I've seen.  I'd buy dozens of official live concerts from this band.

If it's a documentry on RS1 will we even see the rest of the band?  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 03, 2011, 02:39:08 PM
Yeah, both Be Live and Ending Themes are two of the best concerts I've seen.  I'd buy dozens of official live concerts from this band.

If it's a documentry on RS1 will we even see the rest of the band?  :lol


Well since it's a tour documentary I assume there will be plenty other members footage, and it wouldn't be Pain of Salvation without a shirtless Johan in multiple scenes.

Also, on the normal track of a Pain of Salvation release, we won't see the dvd for a good 4 years at least. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2011, 02:41:45 PM
Yeah, both Be Live and Ending Themes are two of the best concerts I've seen.  I'd buy dozens of official live concerts from this band.

If it's a documentry on RS1 will we even see the rest of the band?  :lol


Well since it's a tour documentary I assume there will be plenty other members footage, and it wouldn't be Pain of Salvation without a shirtless Johan in multiple scenes.

Also, on the normal track of a Pain of Salvation release, we won't see the dvd for a good 4 years at least. 

I guess we should concentrate on RS2 first.  :lol

Also, listening to Remedy Lane again now.  What a damn fucking fine album.  This band is musical perfection.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 03, 2011, 03:19:41 PM
The Perfect Element cannot be the best song of theirs because of the chorus.   


I mean, it's not an unbearable chorus to listen to, but it is a HUGE letdown considering the intensity that they were trying to build through the first verse.  The song also doesn't really flow very well. 
Yeah, that's my problem. When I first heard the song, the intro and first verse really led me to believe I was in for a really intense song, but the rest of the song disappointed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on February 03, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
From Daniel's faceboooook: Would LOVE to come to Argentina - actually working on it for June, keep your fingers crossed!

Road Salt Two news will follow the coming week or two :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 03, 2011, 03:35:09 PM
ABOUT FUCKING TIME.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 03, 2011, 03:53:18 PM
beyond the pale > tpe (the song)

debate closed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on February 03, 2011, 04:02:11 PM
Enter Rain > beyond the pale > tpe (the song)

debate closed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 03, 2011, 04:09:45 PM
To rank all of their closers from best to worst: (I count Martius/Nauticus II and Plains of Dawn as the real closers to their respective albums)

Enter Rain
Martius/Nauticus II
Beyond the Pale
Innocence
Plains of Dawn
The Perfect Element
Inside Out


Every closer they've done is amazing, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 03, 2011, 04:12:48 PM
1. The Perfect Element
2. Plains of Dawn
3. Beyond the Pale
4. Enter Rain
5. Martius/Nauticus II
6. Innocence
7. Inside Out

IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 03, 2011, 04:29:58 PM

2. Plains of Dawn


Interesting.  Reminds me how much of an underrated song Plains of Dawn is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Parama on February 03, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
TPE
Beyond The Pale
Enter Rain
Plains of Dawn
Inside Out
Martius/Nauticus II
Innocence

all great songs of course.
Also Idioglossia is the best Pain of Salvation song
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 03, 2011, 04:52:50 PM

2. Plains of Dawn


Interesting.  Reminds me how much of an underrated song Plains of Dawn is.
I absolutely adore it.

I CRY AS I'M WATCHING YOU RUN ACROSS PLAINS OF DAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 03, 2011, 06:40:24 PM
enter rain has to be my least fav closer; i would say its not even close, but i'm not the biggest fan of innocence either.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on February 03, 2011, 10:58:46 PM
Plains of Dawn sure is awesome! :metal One of the tracks that stood out to me when I got my first PoS-record Entropia.

Anyway...
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs783.ash1/167373_143822502345543_100001533819603_259503_2407261_n.jpg)

EDIT: DANIEL GILDENLÖW IS DREAM THEATER'S NEW DRUMMER! :eek
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on February 04, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
AWESOME PIC!!!


but seriously you guys.
Nightmist is the most underrated POS song
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 04, 2011, 03:31:27 PM
Naw, Nightmist gets enough attention.



The true underrated Pain of Salvation song is Thorn Clown.  It's a top 10, maybe top 5 song for me, and most fans haven't even heard it. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 04, 2011, 05:43:32 PM

youre tempting me to go all out and order a japanese import.

though my hopes are low after purchasing the OHBTCL with two bonus tracks this past summer...the additional songs were underwhelming.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 05, 2011, 04:19:24 AM
Some underrated POS songs IMO;

Waking Every God
Reconciliation
King of Loss
Home
Mortar Grind
Spitfall
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2011, 06:14:03 AM
King of Loss
wat

The rest I agree with, but that song seems extremely popular.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on February 05, 2011, 06:37:12 AM
King Of Loss - 6.00 - 7.35

That is all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2011, 07:25:01 AM
King Of Loss - 6.00 - 7.35

That is all.
Yes. Pure eargasm.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 05, 2011, 08:16:07 AM

2. Plains of Dawn


Interesting.  Reminds me how much of an underrated song Plains of Dawn is.
I absolutely adore it.

I CRY AS I'M WATCHING YOU RUN ACROSS PLAINS OF DAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

The song is near perfect until the pasted on ending.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 05, 2011, 08:17:09 AM
Yeah, the ending is alright in itself, but it comes out of nowhere. It would be one of my favourite ever songs if it weren't for that. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 05, 2011, 08:27:26 AM
Water is pretty underrated too.  It has their best guitar solo.

AND WEEEEEEEEEEE FLUSH!




Also, every song except for the three popular ones on Scarsick are very underrated. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on February 05, 2011, 08:39:56 AM

2. Plains of Dawn


Interesting.  Reminds me how much of an underrated song Plains of Dawn is.
I absolutely adore it.

I CRY AS I'M WATCHING YOU RUN ACROSS PLAINS OF DAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

The song is near perfect until the pasted on ending.

That ending is my favorite part of the song :lol I love the whole song though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 05, 2011, 02:55:48 PM
King Of Loss - 6.00 - 7.35

That is all.
Yes. Pure eargasm.

the solo that follows aint none too shabby, neither.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 05, 2011, 02:56:19 PM
the end of plains of dawn is pasted on!?!?  ???
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 05, 2011, 10:52:01 PM
the end of plains of dawn is pasted on!?!?  ???

Yeah. If the song faded out at like 5:30 it'd be amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 05, 2011, 10:52:42 PM
I disagree. It's amazing! There's Epilogue for you anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 05, 2011, 11:41:31 PM
Behooold, my son   :heart

The ending doesn't really flow to the rest of the song at all.  I mean, it's "good" on it's own, but it doesn't match up at all. 




You know what else is criminally underrated?  Dedication!  Top three song for me, maybe my favorite.  I love how the subtle rage suddenly creeps in and then fades out again. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 05, 2011, 11:43:55 PM
OMG DEDICATION.

Actually, I love all the ballads in TPE. Morning on Earth, Dedication, and Song for the Innocent. Especially the latter is SO FUCKING GOOD. That instrumental part is just one of the most emotional piece of music I've heard.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on February 06, 2011, 01:30:58 AM

You know what else is criminally underrated?  Dedication!  Top three song for me, maybe my favorite.  I love how the subtle rage suddenly creeps in and then fades out again. 

Really?? It's an ok song but it is certainly a low point on TPE. I mean, it's between Idioglassia, Her Voices and King of loss! Now THOSE are amazing songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 06, 2011, 03:46:42 AM
King of Loss
wat

The rest I agree with, but that song seems extremely popular.

I knew this one people would disagree.  It is talked about, but that and Dedication IMO are the best songs on the album and I just feel people talk about In the Flesh, Idioglossia etc more.

The las 4 minutes of King of Loss is possibly the best piece of music ever!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on February 06, 2011, 06:01:51 AM
Dedication went for me from being just average song maybe the worst on TPE to being awesome song and top 3 TPE song. I love especially the part after "That you should be gone", it gives me chills, amazing song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 06, 2011, 06:04:05 AM
TPE is just amazing throughout, but I'm still partial to Reconciliation. I love the reprise of the Morning On Earth melody, and Daniel's high notes after the bridge are insane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on February 06, 2011, 12:09:45 PM
Dedication is fantastic. That whole album is fantastic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 06, 2011, 12:11:13 PM
King of Loss

What? I find that song OVERrated.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 06, 2011, 12:14:14 PM
King of Loss

What? I find that song OVERrated.


(http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339298107/please-explain_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 06, 2011, 12:15:35 PM
Does it need an explanation? :P I just don't like it as much as other people. I really like the first verse and the choruses, but the rest of the song isn't near as good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on February 06, 2011, 01:57:00 PM
I only like the end of King of Loss.

Kingdom of Loss is far better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2011, 03:52:55 PM
after spinning remedy lane repeatedly for the better part of a decade, i just finally listened to thorn clown for the first time!...

1st impression...very cool intro, not sure how sold i was on the vox...but already sure i like it more than the OHBTCL bonus tracks
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 06, 2011, 05:26:37 PM
More than Beyond the Mirror? I like it better than Thorn Clown.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2011, 10:06:21 PM
i think so. i might have been over anxious earlier. to be fair, i feel i owe beyond the mirror and timeweaver's tale a few more listens.

just re-listened to thorn clown...im thinking it sounds more like a OHBTCL track than something belonging to RL.
(oh, and two more listens, and i'm sure i'll be praising the vox)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on February 07, 2011, 02:43:48 AM
i think so. i might have been over anxious earlier. to be fair, i feel i owe beyond the mirror and timeweaver's tale a few more listens.

just re-listened to thorn clown...im thinking it sounds more like a OHBTCL track than something belonging to RL.
(oh, and two more listens, and i'm sure i'll be praising the vox)

That's probably because Thorn Clown and Second Love were written in 1987 and 1988
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on February 07, 2011, 02:45:53 AM
Second Love :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 07, 2011, 03:27:38 AM
Second Love is an amazing song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 07, 2011, 03:34:05 AM
True, but it's nowhere near the songs right before and after it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on February 07, 2011, 03:35:06 AM
Cool clip of Daniel playing Oblivion Ocean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBIupHPCTA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBIupHPCTA&feature=related)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 07, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
Why did Frederik not come on this last tour?   :sad:

I've been a bit worried about his participation becoming less and less from an already minimal starting point in Pain of Salvation in recent years.  I love his playing too much for that, and I'm worried he might not stay.   :'(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 07, 2011, 01:27:44 PM
Second Love is an amazing song.
YES.


Thank you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 07, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
Second Love is a mediocre song.
FTFM
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on February 07, 2011, 02:26:49 PM
Second Love is an amazing song.
YES.


Thank you.
So, so good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on February 07, 2011, 04:04:56 PM
Second Love is an amazing song.
YES.
Thank you.
So, so good.

PROPS
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 07, 2011, 05:09:40 PM
Second Love is an amazing song.
YES.
Thank you.
So, so good.

PROPS

Yep, it's true, I never understand the bashing it gets, it's fantastic.  That solo is pure bliss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 07, 2011, 05:17:16 PM
Second Love is one of the few, maybe the only Pain of Salvation song where I can say that I don't like the lyrics.  The music is nice enough, but the cliche words do nothing for me.  I've no problem with the music to it, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on February 07, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
You have to remember that Daniel wrote that when he was, like, thirteen. I think it's very artful that the  song comes from a very real place and fits perfectly with the concept.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 07, 2011, 05:54:05 PM
I just love the calming, smooth atmosphere of the song, great stuff.  The lyrics are a bit cliche, but for the type of song, it fits fine.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2011, 03:26:19 AM
Just listening to another underrated one, Oblivion Ocean.  Damn, this song is amazing!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 08, 2011, 07:11:51 AM
I concur, Second Love is wonderful and Oblivion Ocean is really good as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 08, 2011, 08:05:44 AM
Just listening to another underrated one, Oblivion Ocean.  Damn, this song is amazing!
This. Oblivion Ocean is awesome  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Dynia on February 08, 2011, 08:51:18 AM
Oblivion Ocean and Winning a War are songs that got me into PoS. Fantastic songs. Entropia is a great album, still one of their best. I probably like TPE and Be more, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on February 08, 2011, 09:48:36 AM
Oh yeah, I was just thinking about Remedy Lane and I want to add to my previous statement about the melody reprise that I think it's really cool that the line "in a Budapest taxi I've paid" is the same as the " day after day, I want you to say" in Second Love.


Daniel you are a genius!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2011, 01:44:35 PM
Oh yeah, I was just thinking about Remedy Lane and I want to add to my previous statement about the melody reprise that I think it's really cool that the line "in a Budapest taxi I've paid" is the same as the " day after day, I want you to say" in Second Love.


Daniel you are a genius!

Never noticed that one, have to listen to them again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 08, 2011, 01:53:24 PM
I found yesterday that the drum beat in Disco Queen starting at 0:44 of Disco Queen is the exact same pattern as the intro to idiacracy, except twice as slow.  That drum rhythm is also the same in the chorus of the title track. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on February 08, 2011, 02:04:49 PM
Oh yeah, I was just thinking about Remedy Lane and I want to add to my previous statement about the melody reprise that I think it's really cool that the line "in a Budapest taxi I've paid" is the same as the " day after day, I want you to say" in Second Love.


Daniel you are a genius!

Never noticed that one, have to listen to them again.

It's the last time he says that line in Second Love.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 08, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
There's a ton of little things on Remedy Lane. Here's a few that I've found.

The riff after the chorus of Chain Sling, with Daniel's percussive vocals. First off, that same section is reprised in Beyond the Pale, with lyrics. Also, one thing that I think a lot of people miss, is that the melody of the riff has the exact same rhythm of the talking at the end of Beyond the Pale "We, will always be, so much more hu-man than, we wish to be."

Also, I can't help but laugh that the last word spoken on the album is the title of their next album. ZOMG THEY'RE CONNECTED.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2011, 01:56:54 AM
Been listening to One Hour the last couple of days, man this really is an amazing album, very underrated.   :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Riceloft on February 09, 2011, 06:14:49 AM
Everything from "BE" and before is pure genius.  Scarsick is damn good, just not quite at the same level.  I *love* the Linoleum EP, but can't stand Road Salt One.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2011, 01:33:54 PM
Listening to BE right now, damn piece of art!! 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 09, 2011, 05:37:26 PM
I like how Daniel does a vocal solo in Beyond the Mirror.  All of their bonus tracks are so freaking good!




I might write down a top 25 someday, I'd like to try to decide on my favorites by Pain of Salvation, tis a ridiculously hard task!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2011, 06:23:10 PM
A top 25 - 50 POS list would be epic.  It would be interesting to see everyones opinions and how much they vary.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 10, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
Lilium Cruentus

Just throwing that out there, so no one forgets it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 10, 2011, 09:18:56 AM
Hereafter has to be the best demo cut I've ever heard.  I was wondering if the rest of you have heard it.  I really like to hear the raw and unpolished version of Pain of Salvation, and plus you get Timeweaver's Tale!   :heart


Also, the solo Daniel plays at about 4:10 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbPRdY4-CLM is just about the greatest solo ever.  I like it even better than the studio solo, and that says a lot!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on February 10, 2011, 09:37:23 AM
Why did Frederik not come on this last tour?   :sad:

I've been a bit worried about his participation becoming less and less from an already minimal starting point in Pain of Salvation in recent years.  I love his playing too much for that, and I'm worried he might not stay.   :'(

I'm puzzled as to why he doesn't contribute much. The guy has a master's degree in classical and jazz, so he should be (at least nearly) as technically able as Jordan Rudess, for example. He's a pretty damn good composer too, seeing how he composed Iter Impius.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Dynia on February 10, 2011, 11:29:48 AM
I love BE. It's an amazing listening expirience. I think it's the best them. I especially love Pluvius Aestivus and Lilium Cruentus.
They should have named the songs rather different, though. I have to check the titles every time I want to write about any of the songs from this album :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2011, 01:29:09 PM
Hereafter has to be the best demo cut I've ever heard.  I was wondering if the rest of you have heard it.  I really like to hear the raw and unpolished version of Pain of Salvation, and plus you get Timeweaver's Tale!   :heart

No  haven't heard these songs.  I'd easily buy a POS rarities cd with all the bonus tracks and demos.  I'd pay a lot of money for that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 12, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180694_10150089677564477_620624476_5951100_4379286_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 12, 2011, 05:36:12 PM
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180694_10150089677564477_620624476_5951100_4379286_n.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 12, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
I just made of POS compilation cd.  I never really wanted to do this, as I feel every album deserves to be listened to in it's entirety but thought I'd give it a go.  I have left out most of the epics just to fit more songs on the cd.  I'll put it in the car later and see how it flows.  Tracklist;

1. ! (Forward)
2. Ashes
3. Lilium Cruentus
4. Used
5. Linoleum
6. Reconciliation
7. A Trace of Blood
8. Oblivion Ocean
9. Waking Every God
10. Inside
11. Home
12. Chain Sling
13. Inter Impius
14. Undertow
15. Cribcaged

With some editing and necessary fade in and outs to make the songs flow better the running time comes to 79:59.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 20, 2011, 05:39:40 PM
Random fun thought from seeing the Be dvd:


I wonder if Daniel had some sort of disagreement with the tuba player, and therefore made every effort to not show him at all.  The guy only visible once, and barely so in a quick wide shot.  Also, lots of closer shots are given to people who are very close to him as far as the stage position.  I didn't even know he was there until the fifth viewing.  There must be a reason.  Possibly even a conspiracy. 




/overanalysis
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on February 20, 2011, 05:52:47 PM
The tuba player was a Republican.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on February 20, 2011, 06:01:37 PM
The tuba player was a Republican.
Maybe he refused to be finger-printed for the concert.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 20, 2011, 06:18:21 PM
He probably told Daniel he had ugly teeth. 



I can't remember where, but Daniel specifically called out someonewho had told him on Facebook that he had ugly teeth.  This was in the middle of an interview during a completely unrelated question.  It was pretty funny, actually
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 20, 2011, 10:27:31 PM
I've never got the fuss about The Perfect Element (song). It seems it keeps building in tension only to go into something completely average every time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on February 20, 2011, 11:41:02 PM
I've never got the fuss about The Perfect Element (song). It seems it keeps building in tension only to go into something completely average every time.
Yep. The chorus sucks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on February 21, 2011, 01:16:16 AM
BUT THE BRIDGE SECTION OMG
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2011, 03:11:12 AM
My appreciation for The Perfect Element (song) has grown lately.  At first it was one of the weakest on the album, but lately it's really clicking with me, amazing buildup and tension and IMO, the chorus works really well, not the most effective when contrasted with the verses but magical nevertheless.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on February 21, 2011, 06:12:59 AM
My appreciation for The Perfect Element (song) has grown lately.  At first it was one of the weakest on the album, but lately it's really clicking with me, amazing buildup and tension and IMO, the chorus works really well, not the most effective when contrasted with the verses but magical nevertheless.

It's always been a Top 5 for me.

Sometimes even #1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Agrapha on February 21, 2011, 06:57:07 AM
I wonder if Daniel had some sort of disagreement with the tuba player, and therefore made every effort to not show him at all.  The guy only visible once, and barely so in a quick wide shot.  Also, lots of closer shots are given to people who are very close to him as far as the stage position.  I didn't even know he was there until the fifth viewing.  There must be a reason.  Possibly even a conspiracy. 

I could swear this was addressed in the commentary somewhere, but it's been a couple of years now. I think maybe it was just the way they had the cameras arranged.

Also, The Perfect Element's chorus was a little underwhelming on the first few listens, for me at least. It's my second favourite PoS song now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 08:32:42 AM
Something about the chorus in the Perfect Element just bugs me immensely.  Overall, the song feels like 4 amazing separate songs glued together in a way that doesn't fit.  It lacks the focus of, say, Enter Rain.

Since we're doing all of this Perfect Element judging...

1.  Dedication
2.  King of Loss
3.  Idioglossia
4.  In the Flesh
5.  Her Voices (this is mostly top 2 material, but something about that "Never forgive" part just doesn't do it for me. 
6.  Morning on Earth
7.  The Perfect Element
8.  Reconciliation
9.  Ashes
10.  Used (though it makes for an awesome live song, I often find myself starting the album with In the Flesh instead. 


Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 21, 2011, 08:48:21 AM
whatwhatWHAAT? Used is awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 21, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
Woo, TPE ranking. Should be interesting.

1. Falling/The Perfect Element
2. Idioglossia
3. Song for the Innocent
4. In the Flesh
5. Ashes
6. Morning on Earth
7. Used
8. Dedication
9. King of Loss
10. Reconciliation
11. Her Voices
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 08:55:48 AM
8. Dedication
9. King of Loss
10. Her Voices

 >:(   ...I don't even...





whatwhatWHAAT? Used is awesome.

I don't like how it sounds in the studio.  And I never cared for the chorus at all.  Underwhelming. 
Plus, DG sounds like Geoff Tate in the bridge.  And I never cared for Geoff Tate.  Annoying. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on February 21, 2011, 08:59:41 AM
8. Dedication
9. King of Loss
10. Her Voices

 >:(   ...I don't even...


Don't worry, it's not like I don't like them or they're bad. They're still way beyond the point of awesome, but I still had to rank all the songs so yeah.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 21, 2011, 09:49:09 AM
1. Idioglossia
2. In the Flesh
3. Morning on Earth
4. King of Loss
5. Used
6. Her Voices
7. Ashes
8. Falling/The Perfect Element
9. Song for the Innocent
10. Dedication
11. Reconciliation
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on February 21, 2011, 04:13:06 PM
idioglossia would be a perfect song - if they chopped some of the ending.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 04:16:11 PM
All the lack of love for Dedication here is making me one fucking pissed off panda. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2011, 04:24:29 PM
1. King of Loss
2. Reconciliation
3. In The Flesh
4. Idioglossia
5. Used
6. Falling/Perfect Element
7. Her Voices
8. Ashes
9. Song For the Innocent
10. Morning On Earth
11. Dedication
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 04:29:11 PM
Eh tu, Wolfking? 




It's the greatest ballad ever.  I love how it progresses from a feeling of melancholy and then brings in subtle hints of rage until the explosion of anger in the bridge, which is quickly masked again by the melancholy before, while still retaining that hint of anger. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2011, 05:23:40 PM
Eh tu, Wolfking? 

wut?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on February 21, 2011, 06:56:16 PM
 :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart

Idioglossia
Reconciliation
Dedication
Her Voices
Morning on Earth

 :heart :heart :heart :heart

In the Flesh
Used
King of Loss

 :heart :heart :heart

everything else
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on February 21, 2011, 07:29:43 PM
Woohoo I like rankings

Kingdom of Loss
Enter Rain
Ms. Modern Mother Mary
Disco Queen
Flame to the Moth
Spitfall
Cribcaged
America
Idiocracy
Scarsick


Also, Scarsick is a top two Pain of Salvation album.  Haters gonna hate. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 05, 2011, 07:14:11 PM
bump

So, with the recent Road Salt Two updates, it looks like the album release date is probably going to be pushed back much further than what was originally planned, (surprise) because it is apparently far from finished.  I'm optimistic that it will get out before 2012, but we're probably looking at somewhere around early Summer for a release date at least.  Bummer.  Also, at least two, possibly three of the songs from Linoleum are going to end up on Road Salt Two.  Double bummer. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on March 05, 2011, 07:16:04 PM
bump

So, with the recent Road Salt Two updates, it looks like the album release date is probably going to be pushed back much further than what was originally planned, (surprise) because it is apparently far from finished.  I'm optimistic that it will get out before 2012, but we're probably looking at somewhere around early Summer for a release date at least.  Bummer.  Also, at least two, possibly three of the songs from Linoleum are going to end up on Road Salt Two.  Double bummer. 

What the hell? What are they doing with their time? :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 05, 2011, 07:32:24 PM
Well, they are working on a dvd and they have been doing a decent amount of touring.  (for example, the India tour)

But I can't help but think that every little thing they add such as that will just take away from Road Salt Two's value when it does come out.  I mean, two albums that were meant to go together might not mesh so well once there is over a full year's gap between them.  In my honest opinion, Road Salt Two or not, I really just want them to close this chapter soon and see where they decide to go next with their music.

Not to mention that now, it seems maybe a good quarter of the album will be songs that they have already released TWO YEARS AGO.  So we get to look forward to three quarters of a new Pain of Salvation album.  Lovely.  And, of course, I would be cool with all of this if they would just fucking come to America. 

That fake tour last year was the cruelest April fools joke ever played. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on March 05, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
Fake tour?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 05, 2011, 08:02:13 PM
I guess you missed it.  They posted a bunch of North American tour dates up on their website March 31st last year.  And, (I'm convinced this was done to get at me specifically) just to rub it in my face they had one that was just a 45 minute drive from my house.  It was later revealed as an April Fools joke.  The bastards. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 05, 2011, 08:06:18 PM
What are these two recent RS2 updates of which you speak?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 05, 2011, 08:13:45 PM
Facebook.  First off, the release date was posted as "later than you expect" and along with the fact that they are obviously not even decided on tracks let alone near finished recording, I'd say it's unlikely that it comes out any sooner than April, assuming that there are no more delays.  (which would be a very naive assumption) 

About the songs, to use his words...

"has re-recorded parts of Mortar Grind and remixed it entirely for Road Salt Two."

and



"Well, the sound and the feel of the original version of Mortar Grind stands out too much from the nature of the Road Salt universe. It is now more dry, close and rugged - it has a meaner bite :)

If You Wait is one of my all-time favorite POS songs by the way. Destined for RS2.

Gone is still hanging in the balance, depends on how it works with the rest of the album I'd say..."

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on March 05, 2011, 08:35:34 PM
no sooner than april is right...my guess is august...or later.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: seasonsinthesky on March 05, 2011, 08:43:11 PM
anybody know a place to buy The Perfect Element CD for a normal price that isn't eBay? as in, an actual record label store or something? it seems to be out of print, according to the POS webshop and Insideout.

just got Remedy Lane in the mail the other day. love the art; definitely suits the album sound better than the art for TPE, imo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 05, 2011, 10:55:23 PM
Dunno about record stores in your location, but you can always try Amazon. It's legit, it's safe and it works.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on March 05, 2011, 11:53:04 PM
Anway, back to perfect element rankings:

1. Idioglassia
2. Used
3. In the flesh
4. Her Voices
5. Morning on earth
6. King of loss
7. Reconciliation
8. The perfect element
9. Ashes
10. Song for the innocent
11. Dedication
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 05, 2011, 11:57:43 PM
1. Used
1. In the Flesh
1. Ashes
1. Morning on Earth
1. Idioglossia
1. Her Voices
1. Dedication
1. King of Loss
1. Reconciliation
1. Song for the Innocent
1. Falling/The Perfect Element
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 06, 2011, 12:33:21 AM
1. Used
1. In the Flesh
1. Used
1. Morning on Earth
1. Idioglossia
1. Her Voices
1. Dedication
1. King of Loss
1. Reconciliation
1. Song for the Innocent
1. Falling/The Perfect Element

Poor Ashes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2011, 12:59:36 AM
1. Used
1. In the Flesh
1. Used
1. Morning on Earth
1. Idioglossia
1. Her Voices
1. Dedication
1. King of Loss
1. Reconciliation
1. Song for the Innocent
1. Falling/The Perfect Element

Poor Ashes.

Hehe, thanks I fixed it. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 06, 2011, 10:26:29 AM
anybody know a place to buy The Perfect Element CD for a normal price that isn't eBay? as in, an actual record label store or something? it seems to be out of print, according to the POS webshop and Insideout.
It's a bitch to find. I still haven't tracked one down for a decent price yet.

Ebay is the only place I've seen it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 06, 2011, 10:32:29 PM
just got Remedy Lane in the mail the other day. love the art; definitely suits the album sound better than the art for TPE, imo.

http://www.cdwow.us/CD/pain-of-salvation-perfect-element-part-1/dp/17758327#bc=8111

I use CDWOW.  It is excellent.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on March 07, 2011, 02:56:32 AM
Nice :D two or three Linoleum songs on RS2, I'm really happy that it wasn't worthless that I resisted listening to Linoleum at all
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on March 07, 2011, 05:42:53 AM
So it's 2012 before RS2 will be released?

That's very disappointing if true.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 07, 2011, 06:09:21 AM
Very, very disappointing that they drag it out so much. One double album, reduced to two albums and one EP dragged out over two and a half years. Road Salt One wasn't bad, but I want the next chapter!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 07, 2011, 01:45:16 PM
Disappointing stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 12:36:34 AM
From Daniel's blog (one of 'em...):

"Alright, I have remixed Gone and added some expansion to The Deeper Cut. Remains to see if I’ll rework If You Wait or not…"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2011, 12:55:31 AM
I didn't hear anything wrong with Gone or If You Wait, or even Mortar Grind from the EP. I actually liked all of those way more than Linolium. :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on March 09, 2011, 02:40:14 AM
Very, very disappointing that they drag it out so much. One double album, reduced to two albums and one EP dragged out over two and a half years. Road Salt One wasn't bad, but I want the next chapter!

It is kind of disappointing given what we were expecting, but if you put it like this it's actually not that bad. 2 albums and an EP in 3 years. Plently of bands do much worse than that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 02:42:38 AM
I do see where you're coming from. But in my mind, they have played out this playful, 70ths type of sound/look by now. They should move on to new territories.

Also, WHAT THE FUCK happened to the video Daniel said were almost finished several months ago? I'm sorry, PoS is a great band with many great albums. But I don't feel like they take particular good care of their fans. Maybe I'm spoiled by DT, but having screenshots from a video, telling the fans it's almost finished and then never mention it again is just stupid.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 03:56:37 AM
Is that the one with him covered in blood?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 04:06:39 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 09, 2011, 04:09:42 AM
I'm assuming that it's going to become another "Ending Theme" for no particular reason.  


Or the label finally realized that this whole video was bound to fail and was a waste of money from a financial standpoint.  
Still, if Daniel has it, what the hell is he waiting for to release it?  


Or it could be personal reasons, of course. 

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 04:14:15 AM
I think Lynxo's point was, no matter what they decide to do with it, the fans should be updated.  If Daniel has decided not to release it, the fans should be told straight up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 04:15:31 AM
Exactly. It isn't the first time I've felt a lack of communcation with the fans from Daniel. Which is strange, considering the ridicoulus amounts of blogs he has...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 09, 2011, 04:49:12 AM
I don't see the big deal, if they release it, great; if not, oh well, there's so much other stuff going on in the world of music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 04:51:16 AM
I don't see the big deal, if they release it, great; if not, oh well, there's so much other stuff going on in the world of music.

True, I couldn't care less if I never see it, but we should at least know what might happen with it.

Anyway, I just heard a couple of POS bonus tracks.  Time Weaver's Tale is fucking amazing!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 09, 2011, 02:13:05 PM
From Daniel's Facebook page:

"The last week I have re-recorded parts of Mortar Grind and remixed the song from scratch to fit Road Salt Two. I have also remixed Gone. I like what I hear! :)

To those who have requested the insane: No, I will most definitely not extend If You Wait, that would be an utter offense to the song's very nature!

Yes, Road Salt Two WILL be in a mean, close and painfully dry 70s-on-steroids style like Road Salt One, maybe a bit darker but it's hard to tell for sure until it's all done.

Where It Hurts video released globally within the next 2 weeks!

Album will be all done (mix, mastering, artwork) in mid-May, release in September, tour in Oct/Nov/Dec (dates are being booked right now).

Some additional exclusive show dates are secretly being planned for spring and early summer, I'll keep you posted regarding this.

:)

Hugs,
Daniel"

:D Just as we were talking about that video. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
That's.....umm.....shit......freaky......I'm scared!  :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on March 09, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
that's this September, right?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 09, 2011, 02:32:44 PM
Good to know that he hasn't abandoned Where it Hurts, but SHIT!  That's a looong wait for Road Salt Two.  Assuming that it isn't postponed, which it most likely will be. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 04:32:31 PM
Yeah, hopefully we get it before 2012.  It's six months overdue already.  :lol

I'm looking forward to it being darker too.  I'm happy with the 70's style, but I hope Daniel gets this out of his system.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 09, 2011, 08:37:37 PM
These days I revisited the good parts of BE, namely Iter Impius and Of Summer Rain (don't remember the latin name). Sooooooooooo good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 09, 2011, 11:05:28 PM
These days I revisited the good parts of BE, namely Iter Impius and Of Summer Rain (don't remember the latin name). Sooooooooooo good.

I visit the good parts of BE all the time.  It starts from the Animae Partus and goes all the way through to Animae Partus II.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 09, 2011, 11:15:30 PM
It's six months overdue already.  :lol

Six months? Remember when it was supposed to be a double album release? And even then, RS1 was greatly delayed. This album has been on the shelf for ages.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2011, 03:31:26 AM
Shit, I never knew it was suppose to be a double album.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 10, 2011, 10:43:25 AM
September..kind of funny how Road Salt or whatever other title they were going to call it, was potentially going to be released the fall of 2009, lol.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 12, 2011, 01:59:49 PM
Ok. I'm just copying this from another forum, but..




Next week, Tuesday and Friday, Daniel will attend the morning show "Efter tio" on TV4 to talk crap and play music. The theme is apparently arachnophobia. Oh, well.

For the Swedish-impaired who still want to simply look at the man, possibly covered in spiders, hopefully not playing Road Salt for the millionth time, you will be able to catch it online at www.tv4play.se

The exact address and a transcript will be provided once the shows have been uploaded.



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on March 12, 2011, 03:29:35 PM
Is RS2 this September, or next?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Parama on March 12, 2011, 10:39:55 PM
Okay, so I'm trying to find a write-up detailing the points on BE's concept. I remember seeing one somewhere before but can't find it, if anyone can be of assistance it'd be appreciated.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 12, 2011, 10:42:19 PM
http://www.painofsalvation.com/be/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: GuineaPig on March 13, 2011, 09:42:30 AM
I was relistening to some of the older PoS albums recently.  Still baffled how people consider One Hour By the Concrete Lake to be in the same league quality-wise with their other stuff.  That album's pretty bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on March 13, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
blasphemy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on March 13, 2011, 11:52:52 AM
i love that one can hear kristoff on them first two albums. somehow the bass didnt get turned up again til daniel played it on scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
i love that one can hear kristoff on them first two albums. somehow the bass didnt get turned up again til daniel played it on scarsick.

I can hear quite a bit of bass on anything Kristoff played on. He's more present on the first two albums, but he's there on everything else.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on March 13, 2011, 12:09:18 PM
true. the mix isnt bad at all on the 3rd thru 5th albums. but i love that extra 'pop' the bass had before TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 13, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
I was relistening to some of the older PoS albums recently.  Still baffled how people consider One Hour By the Concrete Lake to be in the same league quality-wise with their other stuff.  That album's pretty bad.
That album is pretty fucking amazing actually.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 13, 2011, 07:58:17 PM
I was relistening to some of the older PoS albums recently.  Still baffled how people consider One Hour By the Concrete Lake to be in the same league quality-wise with their other stuff.  That album's pretty bad.
That album is pretty fucking amazing actually.

Yep, fucking extremelly amazing!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 13, 2011, 08:48:12 PM
It's alright. There's not much wrong with it, and the sound is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Parama on March 13, 2011, 09:13:25 PM
Terribly sound quality, wonderful songs. A shame really. I'd listen to it more if it didn't have such bad sound quality.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 13, 2011, 09:25:19 PM
I guess it doesn't bother me much as I'm not really uptight about sound quality.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 13, 2011, 10:03:06 PM
I'm going to say that I actually like the production.  The drum kit is thin, but besides that, it's a pretty good production.  The guitar tones are perfect;  especially the distorted ones.  Aggressive, but not too imposing. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on March 14, 2011, 08:11:16 AM
Road Salt's gotten even more awesome since the last time I listened to it  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2011, 08:12:39 AM
I'm going to say that I actually like the production.  The drum kit is thin, but besides that, it's a pretty good production.  The guitar tones are perfect;  especially the distorted ones.  Aggressive, but not too imposing. 

For me it's mostly the kick drums. The guitars don't sound too bad and the vocals and bass and keys are lovely. But the kick drums are pretty harsh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 14, 2011, 09:37:07 AM
Yeah, I can agree with that.  They kind of sound like someone tapping their fingers on plastic.  Regardless, for an underground metal band with a very limited amount of options back then I think that it is very good.  I only have an issue with the production if the band has lots of money and I know they could do better.  And, as I said, I actually like the mix.  And the material is very strong, as well.  If anything, it's their best guitar album for sure. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: GuineaPig on March 14, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
Surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room that is production on early PoS albums: keyboards.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on March 14, 2011, 02:15:25 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room that is production on early PoS albums: keyboards.

I thought the definition of an elephant in the room was that it's something that no one mentions.

/pedancy

Sorry, couldn't resist.
But seriously, I've never really noticed anything wrong with the keys.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: GuineaPig on March 14, 2011, 03:16:19 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room that is production on early PoS albums: keyboards.

I thought the definition of an elephant in the room was that it's something that no one mentions.

/pedancy

Sorry, couldn't resist.
But seriously, I've never really noticed anything wrong with the keys.

No, I used it correctly.  Quite often, one precedes the statement by "Let me address the elephant in the room.." or some other variant.  It's used to imply that other people are ignoring it.

But the keyboards are kinda shit.  It's like they only had cheap Casio ones with 5 effects and were forced to use "vibraphone" for half the songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 14, 2011, 03:29:12 PM
It's like they only had cheap Casio ones with 5 effects and were forced to use "vibraphone" for half the songs.
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on March 15, 2011, 01:36:55 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the elephant in the room that is production on early PoS albums: keyboards.

I thought the definition of an elephant in the room was that it's something that no one mentions.

/pedancy

Sorry, couldn't resist.
But seriously, I've never really noticed anything wrong with the keys.

No, I used it correctly.  Quite often, one precedes the statement by "Let me address the elephant in the room.." or some other variant.  It's used to imply that other people are ignoring it.

But the keyboards are kinda shit.  It's like they only had cheap Casio ones with 5 effects and were forced to use "vibraphone" for half the songs.

Ah, didn't know that. My bad  :yarr
I don't know, they sound a little dated, and the only use of vibraphone I can recall off the top of my head is Ashes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 18, 2011, 12:22:58 AM
http://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/efter_tio?title=daniel_gildenlow_-_road_salt&videoid=1394701

I'm kind of getting tired of Road Salt being performed, but this is a nice one.  Much better than the Melodifestivalen performance. 


Also, apparently a short clip of Where it Hurts was aired, but my Sweidsh-impaired self is unable to find it. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 18, 2011, 01:24:28 AM
I think the first Melodifestivalen performance of Road Salt is my favorite version of the song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 18, 2011, 01:34:41 AM
I find it hard to judge, I guess, because the whole Melodifestivalen atmosphere felt so wrong for a song like Road Salt to be performed in, while the dark, quiet, simple room here is much more suited.  Anything's better than the studio version, though.  It didn't really come out quite right on the album. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on March 18, 2011, 04:56:47 AM
Why is Omni so good?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 18, 2011, 07:36:21 AM
http://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/efter_tio?title=daniel_gildenlow_-_road_salt&videoid=1394701

I'm kind of getting tired of Road Salt being performed, but this is a nice one.  Much better than the Melodifestivalen performance. 


Also, apparently a short clip of Where it Hurts was aired, but my Sweidsh-impaired self is unable to find it. 

Probably my favourite performance of Road Salt that was.  I saw that Daniel posted it on his facebook but it wouldn't let me load it.  So thanks for posting, worked this time.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 28, 2011, 12:24:43 PM
Well the Where it Hurts video shouldn't be far off now I hope.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 29, 2011, 04:47:26 PM
Posted on facebook:
Quote
The video for "Where It Hurts" will be released on YouTube at 3 pm tomorrow (Wednesday 30th of March). It might get banned though, so don't wait too long!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 29, 2011, 04:50:54 PM
Oh good. More naked Daniel in fake blood.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 29, 2011, 04:55:57 PM
Why the hell would they not just post it somewhere where it won't get taken down and then link to it? 

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 29, 2011, 05:46:21 PM
Because they(he) are(is) controversial and edgy and provocative.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 29, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
u got beef abydos
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 29, 2011, 06:21:43 PM
Because they(he) are(is) controversial and edgy and provocative.

So I guess the most controversial, edgy, and provocative music video would be one that people can't even see. 

Your logic is flawless. 


Really, they could just try their luck at youtube and then put it somewhere else too.  I really don't want this to be another Ending Theme. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 29, 2011, 10:28:54 PM
Nah, i'm just fooling around. Not flawless, but not 100% wrong - it will be put on youtube, then it will be removed. They are far too hardcore for the mainstream :D
I honestly can't wait to watch it, everything promo-related that has come out of this guy in the last couple of years has been hilarious.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 30, 2011, 05:21:57 AM
Warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2011, 05:33:57 AM
Definitely fucked up, but extremely captivating.  DG is certainly one creative and interesting individual.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 30, 2011, 05:39:39 AM
That's apparently a real, live, pumping heart.

Wheter they took it from an animal or just went on a killing spree around the neighbourhood is not yet clear.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 30, 2011, 05:43:31 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 30, 2011, 05:44:09 AM
It's an animal heart, according to the inside of Road Salt one.  I think it's a deer heart or something, I forget.




Also, that was amazing!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2011, 05:44:26 AM
Fuck!  That makes it even more fucked up.  Interesting that you need the link to see the video, wasn't aware youtube had such a feature.  I searched for it and it didn't show up.  Also, I'm subscribed to InsideOut and it's not in my subscriptions either.  

Tell me Lynxo, how did you get the link?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 30, 2011, 05:47:21 AM
They made it unlisted to minimize the chance of it getting removed right after it's put up on youtube. 


I still don't understand why they wouldn't just put it on a site without restrictions on nudity... it makes no sense whatsoever. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2011, 05:49:26 AM
They made it unlisted to minimize the chance of it getting removed right after it's put up on youtube. 


I still don't understand why they wouldn't just put it on a site without restrictions on nudity... it makes no sense whatsoever. 

yeah, I thought that, it's fine if it stays there, but I guess it still with get removed sooner or later.  They should just host it on their website for everyone to download in .mpg or .avi format.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 30, 2011, 05:57:42 AM
Fuck!  That makes it even more fucked up.  Interesting that you need the link to see the video, wasn't aware youtube had such a feature.  I searched for it and it didn't show up.  Also, I'm subscribed to InsideOut and it's not in my subscriptions either.  

Tell me Lynxo, how did you get the link?
DG himself said on Facebook it would be available on http://www.youtube.com/insideout so I just went there and search through all their PoS videos. I think it's up earlier than what DG thought, he said on Facebook it would be avaliable in a hour or something.

EDIT: Also, I agree it's weird they don't have it for downloading somewhere, after all the work they put into making it. I mean, they sure took a hell of a time finishing it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 30, 2011, 07:48:54 AM
So yeah, more naked, bloody Gildenlow. Meh. Is that his wife, though?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 30, 2011, 08:27:01 AM
No, it's a model. Which makes it even more disturbing if you ask me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on March 30, 2011, 08:29:16 AM
You guys are surprisingly easy to disturb.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 30, 2011, 08:31:34 AM
Gildenlöw's ass!

*cross off another thing on my "things to see before I die" list*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on March 30, 2011, 08:57:12 AM
I did not enjoy that. But I didn't expect to.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 30, 2011, 11:07:44 AM
So yeah, more naked, bloody Gildenlow.

Um, is this not the first of it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 30, 2011, 02:19:54 PM
Dammit, the vid is gone before I had a chance to see it.

Wtf, can't they just upload it to their website?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 30, 2011, 02:23:27 PM
No, it's a model. Which makes it even more disturbing if you ask me.


Well, not really.  So, because it's an attractive female it's more disturbing?  Of course it's not Daniel's wife.... she's an... er... wife.  As opposed to this actor who is used to taking her clothes off.  I find it much less disturbing. 




Also, Daniel made some Facebook comment about how his wife was always in complete understanding of his artistic vision, vaguely saying that she wouldn't be bothered by it. 



Anyway, there it goes.  It's gone.  Shame, too, because I really want to see it again.  I hope someone captured it and it surfaces up... this is really the worst financial I've ever seen in my life if they invest all of that time and money into a video for it to only be up for a few hours.  What the hell is the point. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 30, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
I managed to download it before it got taken down.  Don't know the laws and stuff on this but would I be able to host this somewhere for people to watch without getting in trouble etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGt1uBQv4Rc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGt1uBQv4Rc) Censored version.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on March 30, 2011, 04:57:23 PM
^Please do so. I would like to see the uncensored version.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on March 30, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
Warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 30, 2011, 05:48:44 PM
It was very well made, but I didn't really care for the concept.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on March 31, 2011, 01:48:02 AM
Warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on March 31, 2011, 03:02:59 AM
It was very well made, but I didn't really care for the concept.

I'd agree with that. I'm not really sure what was happening to be an honest, I Just saw a lot of boobs, blood and Gildenlow's ass. All of which were pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 03:30:38 AM
Gildenlow's ass. All of which were pretty awesome.

 :|
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: shadowfex on March 31, 2011, 03:32:09 AM
 :hat
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 12:56:59 PM
1. Posting of media containing or links to pornography and explicit nudity is not allowed. This includes site names, broken URLS, and "hints" to the site names.

Lynxo and faemir, consider this a warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 12:59:01 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:10:11 PM
1. Posting of media containing or links to pornography and explicit nudity is not allowed. This includes site names, broken URLS, and "hints" to the site names.

Lynxo and faemir, consider this a warning.

Really? So a total of about 15 seconds footage of a pair of tits is considered 'explicit nudity' now?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 02:16:43 PM
Tits and fast, non-erotic cuts in low lighting qualifies as pornography these days

didn't ya know
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 02:18:42 PM
America fuck yea
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 02:27:04 PM
Hey don't blame it on america


Nick probably just turned into an old catholic nun for a minute that's all
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:30:28 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 02:31:09 PM
Tits and fast, non-erotic cuts in low lighting qualifies as pornography these days

didn't ya know
No it counts as explicit nudity. And always has done here, tits have NEVER been allowed so why would it suddenly change now?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:38:48 PM
Fair enough, but the point is, is that the guys weren't posting it just to share explicit material, they shared it because it's a new eagerly awaited POS video that we all wanted to see.  But granted, if it breaches the rules, it breaches the rules, end of story.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 02:41:00 PM
Artistic nudity counts in that?

Does that extend to, like, photos of Veus de Milo?


I mean, tits are tits, right
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 02:43:01 PM
Fair enough, but the point is, is that the guys weren't posting it just to share explicit material, they shared it because it's a new eagerly awaited POS video that we all wanted to see.
Indeed, which is why they weren't given a temp ban and were only warned.

Quote
But granted, if it breaches the rules, it breaches the rules, end of story.
Bingo.

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/forum%20stuff/therules.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:48:24 PM
Artistic nudity counts in that?

Does that extend to, like, photos of Veus de Milo?


I mean, tits are tits, right

And really, who doesn't want to see tits right?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:50:11 PM
Fair enough, but the point is, is that the guys weren't posting it just to share explicit material, they shared it because it's a new eagerly awaited POS video that we all wanted to see.
Indeed, which is why they weren't given a temp ban and were only warned.

Quote
But granted, if it breaches the rules, it breaches the rules, end of story.
Bingo.

Damn, I'm a smart cookie! :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 02:54:04 PM
I like tits  :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 02:56:56 PM
I like tits  :(

I LOVE tits!!!  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 02:59:02 PM
It's so silly that tits are considered nudity (not on the forum, I mean. Rules are rules, just in general). But yes, who doesn't love them? Even my gay friends do :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2011, 03:02:14 PM
The thing is, it's perfectly okay to see a woman in the skimpiest bikini, but once you see some nipple, it's off limits.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 03:04:54 PM
And this is why censorship (well this isn't true censorship I guess but I'm trying to be a sensationalist here) is so weird because just saying the word "tits" can conjure the image of tits in your mind, so what's the difference between seeing them and hearing the word? Everyone knows what they look like and they're not a throbbing sexual organ so I don't see why people get all huffy about them.

I'm not talking about the mods really because they're just doing what they're supposed to, but I get to be a frustrated teenager for only a few more months.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 03:06:37 PM
oh no not nipples those things everyone has whatever will we do :'(

On topic nipples:
(http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/membre_groupe/photo/Johan_Hallgren-14584.jpg)

I'm not talking about the mods really because they're just doing what they're supposed to, but I get to be a frustrated teenager for only a few more months.

Yeah, again, I'm not aiming this at the mods, it's just silly in general :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 03:11:13 PM
I'm not talking about the mods really because they're just doing what they're supposed to, but I get to be a frustrated teenager for only a few more months.

In a few months you will grow up and be repulsed by the sight of them. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on March 31, 2011, 03:14:34 PM
I just don't think it has to be so black and white and why something like a music video can't be an exception. I suppose it's just more convenient to ban all nudity as opposed to looking through every single post and considering whether it's truly breaking the rules or not. Oh well. Just google the uncensored version and I'm sure you'll find it. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 03:31:48 PM
Basically it comes down to this: The video includes not just nudity but also sex. Regardless of the artististry or whatever, it would still be 18-rated (or whatever the equivalent is in the US) and therefore we cannot allow it on here because we have 13 year olds. It's as simple as that.

Now please get back on topic. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
Can't you just ban all the 13-year olds?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 03:34:57 PM
Now please get back on topic. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 31, 2011, 03:36:18 PM
Heyy I'm 16. Does that mean I can't see it either? :lol

Oh yes um...on topic... um... BE is the best album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 31, 2011, 03:38:33 PM
Heyy I'm 16. Does that mean I can't see it either? :lol

Oh yes um...on topic... um... BE is the best album.

Haaa I'm 19  :P I can watch it  :P But yes BE is amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on March 31, 2011, 03:39:38 PM
As much as I was defending the tits a few posts back, I think it's too much. Seems like it's trying too hard to be edgy and whatnot. Daniel posted that he expected it to be taken off Youtube, so why even go through the hassle? It seems he's trying to cause a stir about censorship or something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
13 year olds?  Never! 

Anyway, I can understand the rule.  Maybe a little "sexual content" thing that hides the link and warns that one must be 18 or older to view?


Also, Scarsick is the best album. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
I'm 24, I love some fine looking tits, and BE is a horrible album and easily their worst.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 31, 2011, 03:44:19 PM
As much as I was defending the tits a few posts back, I think it's too much. Seems like it's trying too hard to be edgy and whatnot. Daniel posted that he expected it to be taken off Youtube, so why even go through the hassle? It seems he's trying to cause a stir about censorship or something.

I don't agree with this, it's purely Daniel's artistic vision and if youtube can't handle that it's their problem.  He only "expected" it to be censored so that's why he had the other video.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 31, 2011, 03:44:56 PM
BE is a horrible album and easily their worst.
(http://myfacewhen.com/images/194.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
I love some fine looking tits

BE is a horrible album and easily their worst.

You can't like one and not the other.  
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 03:45:49 PM
Heyy I'm 16. Does that mean I can't see it either? :lol
Probably. :lol You can watch the censored version though, which is basically the full video but with the sex scenes blurred.

I've only watched the censored version, but yeah it's a cool vid. I love the artistic style.

Quote
Oh yes um...on topic... um... BE is the best album.
Ohhhhh yes. One of my favourites ever. :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on March 31, 2011, 03:47:19 PM
I myself don't like looking at tits

instead I tug my john thomas to the thought of praying before bed and going to church with blueberry pancakes in my belly and a ribbon on my hat.


also BE is not bad. not fantabulous, but not bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
Ok this is bound to lead to album rankings, and mine have changed considerably recently anyway, so...


Scarsick
BE
Entropia
Road Salt One
OHBTCL
TPE
Remedy Lane
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 03:58:40 PM
BE
TPE1
RS1
(12:5)
RL
Scarsick
Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 03:59:30 PM
TPE
BE
RL
Scarsick
RS1
Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 04:02:07 PM
BE
TPE1
RS1
(12:5)
RL
Scarsick
Entropia
OHBTCL

You like 12:5 better than Scarsick?   :(



The dislike for that album baffles me, honestly.  It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on March 31, 2011, 04:02:33 PM
Mine have changed since last time too.

TPE
BE
Entropia
RS1
RL
OHBTCL
Scarsick *Sorry Dtismajesty, great album, just prefer the rest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 31, 2011, 04:04:10 PM


You like 12:5 better than Scarsick?   :(

12:5 is really an amazing and unique album.



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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful.  

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 04:04:25 PM
I like all of them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 31, 2011, 04:06:26 PM
I like all of them.

Me too. They're all quite lovely. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 04:06:54 PM

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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful.  

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.

I'm talking about Scarsick,

TPE has some strong aspects, focus isn't one of them.  
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 04:07:26 PM
I like all of them.

Me too. They're all quite lovely. :)
I'm glad we agree  :).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 04:10:57 PM

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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful.  

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.

I'm talking about Scarsick,

TPE has some strong aspects, focus isn't one of them.  

What? It's easily their most focused :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 31, 2011, 04:23:12 PM

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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful.  

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.

I'm talking about Scarsick,

TPE has some strong aspects, focus isn't one of them.  

I wouldn't call Scarsick more focused, just more simple. And musically it's far from focused; going from rap, to blues, to disco, to metal, to nu-metal, to atmospheric, to alternative, very unfocused.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 04:42:15 PM
12:5 is really an amazing and unique album.
This.

I like all of them.
And this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 31, 2011, 04:47:23 PM
BE
TPE
OHBTCL
Entropia
RL
RS1





Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on March 31, 2011, 04:50:46 PM
I guess if we're doing ratings...

1. TPE
2. RL/BE/OHBTCL/Entropia/12:5
3. RS1
4. Scarsick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 04:53:05 PM

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It's their most focused and mature album, and the lyrics are at their most poignant and powerful. 

Assuming you're talking about TPE, I totally agree.

I'm talking about Scarsick,

TPE has some strong aspects, focus isn't one of them. 

What? It's easily their most focused :lol

Mmmm.  I think there are a lot of things going on there that don't need to be there, and there are a few too many tracks that I don't really care for immensly (title track, Ashes) though there are also some of their best songs.  It's probably my least favorite lyrical album of theirs, to be honest.  A lot of poetic "pain" and "crying" and etc. but I've nowhere to really place it, nothing to really relate it to save a few tracks ("Dedication", my favorite on the album.)


I wouldn't call Scarsick more focused, just more simple. And musically it's far from focused; going from rap, to blues, to disco, to metal, to nu-metal, to atmospheric, to alternative, very unfocused.

Dunno, I don't find the style of the music to make a real difference, as, to me, all of the songs have a very common identity as a Scarsick song, and there are many things that are present in all of them. 

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 31, 2011, 04:54:45 PM
I felt like your avatar when I read that you didn't like the title track.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 04:56:17 PM
That's what it's there for.  I may have said this before, but I feel like the title track is a collection of fantastic ideas thrown together in a way that doesn't really work. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 05:08:59 PM
Scarsick=PE1=RL>RSO>OHBtCL=Entropia>>>>>>>BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 05:09:49 PM
Scarsick=PE1=RL>RSO>OHBtCL=Entropia>>>>>>>BE
Terrible opinions.

Bant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 05:14:52 PM
Scarsick=PE1=RL>RSO>OHBtCL=Entropia>>>>>>>BE
Terrible opinions.

Bant.
:clap:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 05:16:43 PM
Yeah, but I got to him first. :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on March 31, 2011, 05:19:31 PM
DAMMIT NICK!

Been a while since we've had a mod-to-mod ban. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 31, 2011, 05:35:30 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on March 31, 2011, 08:11:34 PM
I just bought Scarsick to try and get into PoS, is this considered one of their better albums? I haven't listened to it yet btw :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on March 31, 2011, 08:16:17 PM
I just bought Scarsick to try and get into PoS, is this considered one of their better albums? I haven't listened to it yet btw :)

Well it's my personal absolute favorite but a lot of fans hate it for some reason. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on March 31, 2011, 08:57:53 PM
I just bought Scarsick to try and get into PoS, is this considered one of their better albums? I haven't listened to it yet btw :)

I like it a lot, but it's definitely not a good place to start imo, and won't really give you a good idea of who they are. If you like it, great, if not, don't write them off, and check out Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 01, 2011, 05:21:06 AM
Scarsick is my favourite album by them too, but it was my first and really helped me through some tricky times, so it's stuck with me.  I'm totally open to people regarding it as one of their weaker albums though.  It just tickled me in the right spot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on April 01, 2011, 05:32:03 AM
Ok thanks guys, I'll give it a listen when I can find the time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 01, 2011, 05:38:22 AM
Ok thanks guys, I'll give it a listen when I can find the time.

Give it a go, but you must also try The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane, these are way more essential than Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on April 01, 2011, 05:54:45 AM
Ok, well if I see them tomorrow when I go to the store, I'll buy them and listen to them first.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 02, 2011, 06:34:30 PM
I'm listening to Entropia. Amazing stuff. After RS2, I'm really hoping for some more metal from Daniel. He does it really well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on April 12, 2011, 06:01:40 AM
Is RS2 scheduled for a release this year?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2011, 06:04:22 AM
Is RS2 scheduled for a release this year?

I think Daniel said just recently Sep/Oct this year, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 18, 2011, 10:39:45 AM
Bumped because many of you may find this interesting. 

http://www.doscafesyunamesa.com/wp/?p=3685


 
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Head of the national project Zap comic, screenwriter Emilio Santos Baraçal is developing a comic book based on the work of the progressive metal band Pain of Salvation - and with full knowledge and approval of Gildenlöw Daniel, leader of the group.

The work, which won the title of "Entropia" is not directly inspired by the disk of the same name. "To do justice to an album I would have to rely on his help in preparing the story to make it the most accurate and how busy he is, would not guarantee that I could work on it with him. Not to make a artistic crime, I chose another path, "explains the author. The path to which he refers was to create an original story in which the protagonist, Daniel Carter, is a rockstar based Gildenlöw 100%, both visually and in personality. And his band, Zeitgest, is the version of Baraçal for Pain of Salvation. "It was sheer coincidence their physical, psychological, are very similar to what I was looking for. So I decided to use it instead as inspiration. And when you use it, I decided to use the entire band," he says.

In the story, Daniel owns a remarkable temperament, being guided by an almost utopian ideology of a better world. Everything changes when the musician is arrested for a crime he did not commit, so he has to prove his innocence. His world turns upside down. Interestingly, in the jail he finds a mysterious book. And it is this book that will make a difference, determining whether or not he can prove it was not the perpetrator.

Who is a fan of the group will find tons of references in the story, since Baraçal even uses some songs from Pain of Salvation as if they were songs from Zeitgeist. "I made a selection covering the whole discography" the PoS 'and created an album of its own. Daniel tried to authorize the use of music and lyrics and since then he has been thrilled to see how it goes all the work and has given full support possible, what hit me, moved me very much, "he confesses.

With art designer Felipe Watanabe, the first four pages are already available through the web. Fan of comics, Daniel himself Gildenlöw saw the arts and said: "I'm much cooler in the comics than in real life, but I can not wait to see the work done." Planned to have between 120 and 140 pages, the comic book "Entropia" has not forecast to be ready, but should be posted here shortly. Negotiations with potential publishers (Brazilian and foreign) should begin soon.

This is google translate's job, so it's a bit sloppy, but the point is there is going to be a comic based on Pain of Salvation called Entropia.  (It doesn't follow the story of the album, just for clarification.)

Sounds fucking cool!


(sample pages included in link)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on April 18, 2011, 10:53:09 AM
I can't say that sounds like a good idea. The last thing Daniel needs is more of an ego boost.


I'd rather the new album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 18, 2011, 10:57:18 AM
I'd rather the new album.

Me too, but it's nothing but a separate project and certainly won't get in the way of the new record.


Plus, I like the two-tone art. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 18, 2011, 04:00:55 PM
POS comic book? WTF?   :lol  Of course Daniel would approve it, another ego boost.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 18, 2011, 04:01:28 PM
I can't say that sounds like a good idea. The last thing Daniel needs is more of an ego boost.


I'd rather the new album.

Missed your post Adami......all of this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 18, 2011, 04:17:49 PM
I don't see how the ego boost should be a big factor.  It's just a cool artistic project, really.  Not petting Daniel's ego. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 18, 2011, 04:23:51 PM
I don't see how the ego boost should be a big factor.  It's just a cool artistic project, really.  Not petting Daniel's ego. 

Someone want to make Daniel a comic book character and you don't think that would feed his ego?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 21, 2011, 03:44:18 PM
Bumped to say I've been listening to tPE all day today. :metal Big mood for it right now. Although I still can't get the title track to click for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2011, 03:50:37 PM
Bumped to say I've been listening to tPE all day today. :metal Big mood for it right now. Although I still can't get the title track to click for me.

The title track was the song that took me the longest to get into.  I only really discovered it's beauty not too long ago, keep listening, it will grow on you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 21, 2011, 07:18:14 PM
Yeahh I can understand. The first two minutes are amazing I find. Amazing amazing buildup, but unfortunately at 2:19 it goes to waste. 2:19 is like one of my least favourite moments in all music. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: njdtfan on April 21, 2011, 09:26:06 PM
Remedy would be my first choice for someone new to POS. But "Be" is in my top 3 albums ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: seasonsinthesky on April 21, 2011, 09:53:37 PM
it was "Falling" and the title track of TPE that got me into POS years and years ago. for a while, it was the only material of theirs i listened to!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: guenhwyvarmky on April 23, 2011, 02:51:47 PM
In regards to TPE1, this is the one album that emotionally affected me above all others.  It was the right confluence of musical style(s), intensity, subject matter, and structure that was exactly what I needed to hear at that point in my life.  I even bought the Japanese import at almost twice the price because it was released a few days earlier, and the cd store I went to had a huge import section.  It was definitely a huge and cathartic help through some serious depression.  Only Learning to Live comes to close to affecting me in the same way.

That being said, listening to it now about ten years later - there are some flaws.  I still love it, but the title track goes on about a verse too long before heading into the two softer, middle sections.  I have a similar issue with King of Loss.  It almost feels as if DG had more lyrics than the song structure could contain, and chose to over-inflate the songs in a couple of places rather than edit the lyrics.

As far as DG's ego, he certainly does seem to hold a rather high opinion of himself (based on the interviews I've read).  I was fortunate enough to have a bit of an email exchange with him after OHbtCL was released.  They weren't very big at that point as their fan base grew significantly with TPE1, and it was pretty damn easy to find his address and email him.  For the duration of that exchange he was extremely pleasant and polite, even going so far as to ask my suggestions for a set list.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 07:47:51 PM
i mostly think the album's pretty perfect as is... the only thing i'd probably change is the ending of idioglossia, which needs about 4 or 8 bars chopped.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2011, 07:55:15 PM
i mostly think the album's pretty perfect as is...

I completely agree.

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the only thing i'd probably change is the ending of idioglossia, which needs about 4 or 8 bars chopped.

I completely disagree. That song is the epitome of perfection, no wrong notes and it's the perfect length. Of course I think the album is flawless and Idioglossia is my favorite song ever.


:)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
im gonna spin idioglossia shortly to see how much that section irks me.

EDIT: it irks me this much *holds hands about 3 feet apart*

just get rid of 7:48-8:20, and insert the "it all comes back to you" over the bit right before the newly deleted section, and you got a perfect song, daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 08:58:59 PM
I always felt Idioglossia was one of the weakest tracks on TPE, honestly.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2011, 09:01:20 PM
I always felt Idioglossia was one of the weakest tracks on TPE, honestly.

(http://www.zuguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/gran-torino-clint-eastwood.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on April 23, 2011, 09:02:54 PM
I'd have to agree. I think it's my least favorite of the longer tracks. Despite having plenty of mindblowing sections (like the rest of the songs do), it just doesn't flow as well in my opinion. But TPE is a top ten album for me, and I still love the song :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 23, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
1. There is no 'weakest track' on TPE.

2.  :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2011, 09:10:27 PM
Let's change the subject and stop ripping on my favorite song please? :)



Let's diss something else like Spitfall or something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 23, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
I love Spitfall.    :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 09:15:01 PM
I'll gladly diss anything from Scarsick. What a disaster.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 23, 2011, 09:17:02 PM
Come at me. 



Scarsick is great. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:22:33 PM
Scarsick is fucking awesome.  Remedy Lane is better, and lately Be and The Perfect Element have been creeping up on it, but Scarsick remains my second favorite Pain of Salvation album.

So there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 23, 2011, 09:24:12 PM
Scarsick is fucking awesome.  Remedy Lane is better, and lately Be and The Perfect Element have been creeping up on it, but Scarsick remains my second favorite Pain of Salvation album.

So there.

Scarsick is my favorite Pain of Salvation album.  I can see why some people don't like it, but to me it's pretty much the perfect angry album.  Not a weak song on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:25:03 PM
MY LONG LOST BROTHER!

*embraces*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 09:25:47 PM
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, Scarsick is the worst thing POS has ever produced, and hopefully they never make something like it again.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 09:27:43 PM
scarsick = how to have a kick ass album by a band that formerly played guitar solos but seemingly no longer wants to (okay, so there's one 'n a half solos, but you know what i mean).

the same could be said of thirteenth step.

the same cannot be said of st.anger.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on April 23, 2011, 09:32:24 PM
why are solos necessary
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 09:37:40 PM
shoulder shrug smiley/emoticon

they aren't. i just mentioned how POS wrote a great album sans solos.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:39:18 PM
shoulder shrug smiley/emoticon

they aren't. i just mentioned how POS wrote a great album sans solos.

POS wrote a great album with a fucking RAP SONG on it.  Crazy, right?!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on April 23, 2011, 09:41:21 PM
Oh, I misread what you said, sorry :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 09:45:20 PM
crazy, sure, but only a little. the irony of the lyrics should make it less vomit-inducing, even to someone that hates rap.

but really, daniel's done a bit of what i like to call 'the daniel rap' throughout most of their albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:47:34 PM
crazy, sure, but only a little. the irony of the lyrics should make it less vomit-inducing, even to someone that hates rap.

but really, daniel's done a bit of what i like to call 'the daniel rap' throughout most of their albums.

True, but Spitfall is one big Daniel Rap, pretty much.  The song wasn't one of my favorites until I went through and read all the lyrics carefully and then it was "OH MY GOD THIS IS AWESOME."  Couldn't stop listening to it for a while.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 09:49:40 PM
I don't have a problem with Daniel rap, as long as it's not through the whole fucking song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 09:54:07 PM
fair enough.

i'm not exactly a rap fan, but i definitely like the song.

but even if someone can't stand spitfall, it shouldn't keep them from liking the rest of the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 09:55:33 PM
I can't stand all of the songs on it. They're just not as good as any of the songs on any of the other POS albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 09:58:45 PM
I can't stand all of the songs on it. They're just not as good as any of the songs on any of the other POS albums.

I don't even know how to respond to this.  I mean, there's no heartbreaking centerpiece song like Undertow or Oblivion Ocean or whatever, but there's still plenty of great songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
so theyre your 12 least favorite POS songs, metalhead?! trippy.

maybe my guitar solos assessment was off.

EDIT: pain of occupation doesn't know how many songs are on scarsick, apparently. idiot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 23, 2011, 10:11:27 PM
I suppose the title track and Kingdom of Loss are alright, but the rest of that album is pretty much crap.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 23, 2011, 10:12:03 PM
I suppose the title track and Kingdom of Loss are alright, but the rest of that album is pretty much crap.
Yup.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on April 23, 2011, 10:12:18 PM
Idiocracy, Flame To The Moth and Enter Rain would like to have a word with you
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 10:15:34 PM
I suppose the title track and Kingdom of Loss are alright, but the rest of that album is pretty much crap.

Not even the badass Flame to the Moth?  Or the epic Enter Rain?

Really?

I'm hurt.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on April 23, 2011, 10:15:44 PM
The first half of the album is very, very creative I think

the second half of Scarsick I don't oft listen to but it's ok
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
enter rain's my least favorite off the album. the last two album closers got nothing on the likes of beyond the pale and the perfect element
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Phantasmatron on April 23, 2011, 10:19:55 PM
Beyond the Pale is one of the greatest album closers of all time in my book.  Innocence was pretty good and TPE was great.  Enter Rain may be a weaker song than Innocence...I'm not really sure which one I like better.  But Enter Rain definitely works much better to close an album out than Innocence does.  It just has the right feel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 23, 2011, 10:24:43 PM
TPE is probably my least favorite of their closers.  It's very underwhelming. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 23, 2011, 10:25:29 PM
TPE is probably my least favorite of their closers.  It's very underwhelming. 
Yeah. As I said earlier, 2:19 is one of the worst moments in all music. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on April 23, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
it  seems that no song splits the fanbase as much as TPE.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on April 23, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
The first half of the album is very, very creative I think

the second half of Scarsick I don't oft listen to but it's ok

This. It's a great album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2011, 06:08:56 AM
Scarsick = Best POS album.  I am not trolling.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on April 24, 2011, 07:06:07 AM
Sure looks like you are. :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on April 25, 2011, 07:50:10 AM
Road Salt One is their best album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on April 25, 2011, 08:01:39 AM
I wouldn't argue much with that. Road Salt One is awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 25, 2011, 08:02:27 AM
Road Salt probably comes in second or third.


I know their last 3 are my 3 favorite of theirs. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 25, 2011, 02:31:25 PM
If RS2 is as good as RS1, I'd say the combined album will beat out TPE and RL.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on April 25, 2011, 02:33:49 PM
I often forget that they're meant to go together, but yeah, if RS2 is as strong as RS1 then this whole Road Salt thing will be worthwhile.
It still would have been nice to take in the whole album at once, but hell, I'm fine with it if Road Salt 2 ends up kicking ass just like the first one. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2011, 07:40:11 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on May 03, 2011, 08:04:19 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
It's definitely the most underrated. In my opinion, it's better than every studio album they've released since Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 03, 2011, 08:05:52 PM
OHBTCL sounds the most generic of their albums to me. Doesn't have that same magic the others do, in my opinion. Gildenlow agrees with my sentiments  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 03, 2011, 08:06:42 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
It's definitely the most underrated. In my opinion, it's better than every studio album they've released since Remedy Lane.
Seriously?  I.... ok.

OHBTCL sounds the most generic of their albums to me. Doesn't have that same magic the others do, in my opinion. Gildenlow agrees with my sentiments  :lol
This. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 03, 2011, 08:07:57 PM
I do like some tracks though, like Inside, The Big Machine, Water, etc.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2011, 08:25:51 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
In my opinion, it's better than every studio album they've released since Remedy Lane.

I definitely wouldn't go that far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on May 03, 2011, 08:27:37 PM
IF WE EAT MORE WE'LL GET

A HANDFUL OF NOTHING
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on May 03, 2011, 10:15:11 PM
Just listening to One Hour at the moment at work.  This really is an amazing album, and possibly the most underrated POS album.
In my opinion, it's better than every studio album they've released since Remedy Lane.

I definitely wouldn't go that far.
Well, it's more a result of their newer stuff just not being very good, rather than One Hour being a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 08, 2011, 05:36:29 AM
Well guys I've just starting my musical journey with Pain Of Salvetion, I've tried that before but it not went well.... From album I should start to became a fan?  ;D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 08, 2011, 05:47:21 AM
The Perfect Element or Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 08, 2011, 06:00:24 AM
Starting of with The Perfect Element. First track Used is just awesome, vocals are killer :2metal:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on May 08, 2011, 06:09:28 AM
Getting used to pain!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 08, 2011, 06:17:25 AM
Starting of with The Perfect Element. First track Used is just awesome, vocals are killer :2metal:

Looks like you're getting used to pain... of salvation  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 08, 2011, 06:23:25 AM
Morning On Earth and Idioglossia, first time ever listen and seems great tunes for my ear... :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 08, 2011, 06:47:25 PM
Simply a magical album, enjoy it mate!  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 08, 2011, 08:24:46 PM
Morning on Earth doesn't get enough recognition.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 09, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
So after two listenings to The Perfect Element I have to admit that it's a masterpiece by faaaar.... Remedy next in line ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on May 09, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Remedy Lane is my favourite, so you're in for a treat :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 09, 2011, 05:41:14 PM
So after two listenings to The Perfect Element I have to admit that it's a masterpiece by faaaar.... Remedy next in line ;)


If by Remedy you mean BE and Scarsick, sure.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 09, 2011, 05:58:18 PM
So after two listenings to The Perfect Element I have to admit that it's a masterpiece by faaaar.... Remedy next in line ;)


If by Remedy you mean BE and Scarsick, sure.
He means he's going to listen to Remedy Lane next.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 09, 2011, 06:09:09 PM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 09, 2011, 06:13:26 PM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Lolno.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on May 09, 2011, 08:25:18 PM
Remedy Lane is my favourite, so you're in for a treat :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 09, 2011, 10:46:12 PM
You sais that Scarsick sucks? It has great cover ;) I don't heard the album yet, but I doesn't look like sucks  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 09, 2011, 10:57:40 PM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Lolno.

Ok, liking scarsick is one thing. lol'ing at the fact other people don't like it is just pretty ridiculous. It's not like it's the bands worse received album ever or anything.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 10, 2011, 12:44:25 AM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Lolno.

Ok, liking scarsick is one thing. lol'ing at the fact other people don't like it is just pretty ridiculous. It's not like it's the bands worse received album ever or anything.

He was likely lol'ing at LLTWM's ridiculous comment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 10, 2011, 02:51:05 AM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Lolno.

Ok, liking scarsick is one thing. lol'ing at the fact other people don't like it is just pretty ridiculous. It's not like it's the bands worse received album ever or anything.

He was likely lol'ing at LLTWM's ridiculous comment.
That.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 10, 2011, 04:56:57 AM
I listened to Scarsick after hearing RL at the recommendation of a friend. I was put off the band for a good 4 months before I got over it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 10, 2011, 05:02:23 AM
I listened to Scarsick after hearing RL at the recommendation of a friend. I was put off the band for a good 4 months before I got over it.
wow that sounds interesting  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 10, 2011, 05:02:39 AM

Ok, liking scarsick is one thing. lol'ing at the fact other people don't like it is just pretty ridiculous. It's not like it's the bands worse received album ever or anything.

That's what makes it so disappointing.  All the freedom haters who don't like.. no, love Scarsick.  

You sais that Scarsick sucks? It has great cover ;) I don't heard the album yet, but I doesn't look like sucks  ;)

No, it does not suck, it is one of my favorite albums ever, and my favorite Pain of Salvation album.




It does not suck.  
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on May 10, 2011, 05:25:59 AM
Scarsick is awesome.  :heart My least favourite album by them though. But still its awesome.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 10, 2011, 02:34:56 PM
You sais that Scarsick sucks? It has great cover ;) I don't heard the album yet, but I doesn't look like sucks  ;)
Haha, well it's pretty well received here, but I'm not a fan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 10, 2011, 02:41:48 PM
You sais that Scarsick sucks? It has great cover ;) I don't heard the album yet, but I doesn't look like sucks  ;)

It's controversial.

Two songs have him straight out rapping the verses - but then so does Used on the perfect element 1.
There is also a disco prog metal song (yup!) and a song thats all about how gildenlow doesnt like america.

But overall I don't see how fans of their other albums can't at least like the rest of the album.

Just FYI, Scarsick is Perfect Element part 2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 10, 2011, 02:46:21 PM
Really there's nothing I hate about the album, it just does nothing for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 10, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
Lots of Pain of Salvation fans have the mindset that The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are better than every other album that they've done. 

My advice to someone getting into them would be to at least not buy into that sort of mindset immediately, considering that I wasn't sure what to think of Scarsick at first and now it's my favorite album by them to date.  It's not really a change of style as much at it is a change of mindset in Pain of Salvation.  The core elements are really still there, but presented in a different way. 

Kingdom of Loss, Flame to the Moth, and Enter Rain are also some of the greatest songs ever, by the way. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 10, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
Really there's nothing I hate about the album, it just does nothing for me.

Enter Rain?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 10, 2011, 03:41:01 PM
Lots of Pain of Salvation fans have the mindset that The Perfect Element and Remedy Lane are better than every other album that they've done. 

My advice to someone getting into them would be to at least not buy into that sort of mindset immediately
I really couldn't agree more. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 10, 2011, 04:42:11 PM
Yep. You'll buy into it after you've heard stuff like SS and RS :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
Save Scarsick for last. That way you won't get so appalled by it's fail that you get scared off from the rest.

Scarsick was my first POS album and since then I have all their albums and both DVD's and they are now in my top 10 favourite bands of all time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 10, 2011, 04:54:30 PM
I started with Scarsick as well and I wasn't "appalled" or anything like that. 

You could venture to say that I was in love, even. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 10, 2011, 04:55:42 PM
That post was mostly joking. I said I don't hate the thing, it just does nothing for me. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
I started with Scarsick as well and I wasn't "appalled" or anything like that. 

You could venture to say that I was in love, even. 

Yep, Scarsick was a special album for me.  It was one of those albums just made me feel safe and happy, and really helped me through some rough emotional times.  Great album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2011, 04:56:44 PM
That post was mostly joking. I said I don't hate the thing, it just does nothing for me. :P

No stress bro!  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 10, 2011, 07:35:38 PM
I started with Scarsick and BE and I was ready to never listen to Pain of Salvation again after those two albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 10, 2011, 07:44:29 PM
I started with Scarsick and BE and I was ready to never listen to Pain of Salvation again after those two albums.
Haha. I started with BE and instantly wanted moar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on May 10, 2011, 09:53:30 PM
I started with Remedy Lane based on Amazon reviews.  It took a while for anything really to click, but the first song I loved was "Rope Ends."  Even after that, though, it still didn't work for me as a whole for a long time; it was like it came piece by piece.  Then one day after listening to the whole thing once again, it hit me like a revelation: this is one of the greatest albums ever!  Still feel the same way today.

Cool story bro.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on May 11, 2011, 05:02:49 AM
I'd love to hear Daniel do Gethsemane from Jesus Christ Superstar  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 11, 2011, 05:35:20 AM
I think Daniel has actually played drums for a rendition of Jesus Christ Superstar sometime, somewhere.  He's a huge, huge fan of the musical. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 11, 2011, 05:35:33 AM
He already did the best part of that song in Nightmist (Why shall I Die? at 4:20)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on May 11, 2011, 05:38:48 AM
I think Daniel has actually played drums for a rendition of Jesus Christ Superstar sometime, somewhere.  He's a huge, huge fan of the musical. 

Hmm never knew that.  Might ask him on bookface  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 17, 2011, 03:53:18 AM
Daniel Gildenlow's little guest spot on a short song from a new prog band that has his brother and Leo in it, he sings with Shanon den Adel form Within Temptation, it's pretty nice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWhVIodNNww
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 17, 2011, 07:46:35 AM
I started with Remedy Lane based on Amazon reviews.  It took a while for anything really to click, but the first song I loved was "Rope Ends."  Even after that, though, it still didn't work for me as a whole for a long time; it was like it came piece by piece.  Then one day after listening to the whole thing once again, it hit me like a revelation: this is one of the greatest albums ever!  Still feel the same way today.
Haha i had the exact same. PoS is hard to get into, but when you do,  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
My first favorite song was Rope Ends aswell
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on May 21, 2011, 12:20:46 PM
Conditioned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 21, 2011, 01:15:20 PM
Conditioned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal


Meh, I know DG wanted to go 60's and 70's on this album, but I think that song pushes it a little too far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 21, 2011, 01:19:23 PM
Conditioned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal


Meh, I know DG wanted to go 60's and 70's on this album, but I think that song pushes it a little too far.
This. Very much this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on May 21, 2011, 01:35:33 PM
Conditioned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal


Meh, I know DG wanted to go 60's and 70's on this album, but I think that song pushes it a little too far.

I love it. Always evolving, always making good music.

Very much interested in the next album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 21, 2011, 01:36:33 PM
I just remember the days when the music told the story along with the lyrics. With songs like that, the music just seems to be there, serving no real higher purpose at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 21, 2011, 01:38:00 PM
I just remember the days when the music told the story along with the lyrics. With songs like that, the music just seems to be there, serving no real higher purpose at all.
This. I mean, I love experimental music, but this song is on the border of experimental and been-there-done-that.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 21, 2011, 01:41:26 PM
I just remember the days when the music told the story along with the lyrics. With songs like that, the music just seems to be there, serving no real higher purpose at all.
This. I mean, I love experimental music, but this song is on the border of experimental and been-there-done-that.


Exactly, I mean musically speaking that might have been new for PoS, but it's still been done to death by hundreds of other bands.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 21, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
I'll wait for a studio version to judge the song fully, but I like it.  I don't love it, though, and it doesn't seem to give much in the way of emotion, but it's fun. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 21, 2011, 01:49:47 PM
I liked it, but idk I just don't expect it from PoS. It's like if DT started playing Zeuhl.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 21, 2011, 04:49:02 PM
I'll wait for a studio version to judge the song fully, but I like it.  I don't love it, though, and it doesn't seem to give much in the way of emotion, but it's fun. 
This exactly. I dig it a lot, defintiely a natural follow on from RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2011, 06:10:07 PM
I don't mind this.  The quiet sections gives you that definitive POS feel and Daniel's vocals really pull this type of style off really well.  It's a continuation of RS1 and we knew that this is something we were going to get.  Plus, this really isn't any more out there some of the material that was on RS1.  The ending gives me a real Scarsick vibe.  It's POS mixed with a good serve of Clapton and Cream.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 21, 2011, 06:35:40 PM
REMDEY LANNE!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 22, 2011, 05:32:37 AM
I'm sure that PoS will change theme again after RS2 so people can stop whining.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 22, 2011, 07:17:19 AM
I'm sure that PoS will change theme again after RS2 so people can stop whining.

And they'll be all the better for it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 08:56:44 AM
Anyone else notice what happened with their website?


I haven't checked it in a while so maybe this is old news, http://www.painofsalvation.com/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 09:12:46 AM
I did a few weeks ago. Wonder what happened. Also, lol @ "eats your other favourite bands and artists for breakfast".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 22, 2011, 09:26:41 AM
Conditioned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeZTsQrMm0


Fuck, I want this album  :metal
Hm... I think this is worse than anything on RS1 actually (and I dislike that one quite a lot). Oh well, it's not like I didn't expect this or anything. Hopefully there is a tuneo r two that sounds more like Sisters.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 09:42:59 AM
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2011, 09:51:20 AM
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you? 
A live performance as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 22, 2011, 10:35:24 AM
You do realize that you are judging this song based on a rough radio recording, don't you?  
It's not like a better sounding recording of this will change my mind. I got into DT through a roughed up cassette tape of Awake so sound quality doesn't really matter that much if you don't like what you hear initially. Just like when I loved TPE (the song) when I first heard it. A 128kbps mp3.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 10:45:02 AM
It's not the sound quality I'm talking about.  I'm talking about the fact that this is a different recording, in a different setting, with possibly different parts.  A live recording is often a completely different animal from that of a studio song.  That's my only point.  I wasn't talking about sound quality. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 22, 2011, 10:47:56 AM
Oh, ok, then I should say that I really don't like this version of the song. at all :D The sooner they get rid of the crappy 70s sound, the better. Of course, this is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 22, 2011, 10:56:04 AM
Oh, ok, then I should say that I really don't like this version of the song. at all :D The sooner they get rid of the crappy 70s sound, the better. Of course, this is just my opinion.
I agree with this man
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
I think the problem with the 70's sound is that they risk sounding less unique and more like generic bands from the 70's, and this last song really put them past that point.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 22, 2011, 11:18:16 AM
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2011, 11:20:03 AM
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?
They haven't really stuck with any sound for more than a couple of albums, so I can't imagine they'd stick with it after RS2. I'm glad we're getting another album of it though, I think they do it really well but RS1 is pretty short so I'm happy to be getting more!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 22, 2011, 11:20:44 AM
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2011, 11:20:57 AM
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?

Oh of course not. But that doesn't mean I have to like it while they're doing it. I liked many parts of RS1, but usually just the songs that didn't have that 70's sound, like Sisters, of Dust, Under The Stars, Road Salt, and a few of the 70's sounding songs like Innocence and What She Means to Me. But most of the others I can listen to and enjoy, but don't really care much for.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on May 22, 2011, 11:21:42 AM
Whatever they end up doing, I just want them to release more often. I hate it when good bands that takes a long time to release material.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2011, 11:22:08 AM
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

I'd love a mellow approach.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 22, 2011, 11:23:23 AM
I honestly love RS1, but I'm thirsty for a new direction. It's been about a year since it came out, and we were supposed to get both at the same time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2011, 11:23:40 AM
I'd be in favor of 2 separate paradigm shifts after the 70s thing is no longer interesting to Daniel.

1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

2. Try a new, all-mellow approach, like Devin Townsend's Ki. I think that could sound really cool.

I'd love a mellow approach.
Yeah that would be great, I really love 12:5. Something like that, but a studio album of new material, could be so amazing!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2011, 11:25:04 AM
Speaking of RS2, is there any kind of release date yet? Or is Daniel still trying to make it more "raw" sounding?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 22, 2011, 11:25:29 AM
Do you really think they will stay with the 70s sound?
They haven't really stuck with any sound for more than a couple of albums, so I can't imagine they'd stick with it after RS2. I'm glad we're getting another album of it though, I think they do it really well but RS1 is pretty short so I'm happy to be getting more!
Witchcraft do it a lot better, imo. Just putting it out there, not that I hate all 70s sounding music (maybe just the one made in the 70s because it sounds horriblem, much worse than that live recording of PoS :d).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 11:47:01 AM
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on May 22, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

This.

Although I really dig the 70's sound. I think RS2 will be even better than the first.

I've always found it strange people want to hear the same stuff all the time. Good bands adapt.

RL is my favourite album of all time, but I don't want another RL. I want another PoS. Big difference.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 01:52:11 PM
1. Go back to the stuff that made POS awesome, the progressive metal of TPE and RL.

I don't think Daniel will do this.  At least, not in the same way of those two albums.  They've already put out lots of prog metal and I would much rather see them continue trying new sounds. 

A mellow approach would be cool. 

This.

Although I really dig the 70's sound. I think RS2 will be even better than the first.

I've always found it strange people want to hear the same stuff all the time. Good bands adapt.

RL is my favourite album of all time, but I don't want another RL. I want another PoS. Big difference.
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 22, 2011, 01:53:42 PM
I'd like to hear another album that sounds like RS1, Scarsick or Be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 22, 2011, 01:59:23 PM
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

I think that the last 3 albums have been the furthest things from generic that they've done.  All of the albums following Remedy Lane are albums I can't really compare to any other bands.  Before, they were amazing prog metal albums, but they definitely had peers as far as a similar sound. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
The problem isn't wanting to hear the same thing all the time, it's just that their idea of doing something different is sounding incredibly generic. I don't want PoS to sound generic.

I think that the last 3 albums have been the furthest things from generic that they've done.  All of the albums following Remedy Lane are albums I can't really compare to any other bands.  Before, they were amazing prog metal albums, but they definitely had peers as far as a similar sound. 
That was referring to the new song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on May 22, 2011, 06:08:09 PM
I saw Conditioned live (twice even :D), it was FUCKING AWESOME.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: PixelDream on May 22, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
Out of everything post Scarsick, I still enjoy 'Gone' more than all the other songs they've released on Road Salt and the EP.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 22, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
I think the problem with the 70's sound is that they risk sounding less unique and more like generic bands from the 70's, and this last song really put them past that point.

This, x1000. The thing is, I would love this stuff, if I hadn't already heard it and wasn't already in love with actual 60-70s hard rock.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Gorille85 on May 22, 2011, 09:00:48 PM
PoS going all electro would awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 22, 2011, 09:56:03 PM
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 22, 2011, 09:58:41 PM
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.

I like different. Just not when "different" means ripping off music from 40-50 years ago.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 09:59:53 PM
I find it ironic how prog fans tend to not like when a band does something different.
Um...what?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 22, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
PoS with RS1 and Symphony X with PL are some examples I've noticed. I quite enjoy Road Salt 1 even Sleeping Under The Starts. Scarsick is also great probably among their best, its energetic and fun sounding.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 22, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
Most of the complaints I heard is that they found it begins sounding like generic alt metal. I disagree, but I'm not a big fan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 23, 2011, 01:43:20 AM
People use the word "generic" far too much as a get out clause when really they just mean they don't like it very much.

Sure the production style on RS1 hearkens back to the 70s, but honestly I'd like to find another album that really sounds like it, because I love it and I want more. But I've never heard one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on May 23, 2011, 01:53:22 AM
^ +1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2011, 08:51:29 AM
People use the word "generic" far too much as a get out clause when really they just mean they don't like it very much.

Sure the production style on RS1 hearkens back to the 70s, but honestly I'd like to find another album that really sounds like it, because I love it and I want more. But I've never heard one.

I'm not saying it's "generic" I'm responding to the ridiculous claim that people are discounting reasons for disliking it as "people being against something different." It's NOT different. I will take early Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Cream, and Steppenwolfe an almost any good 60s or 70s rock band over Road Salt any day. And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R8tRKIiAII

Road Salt is about as innovative as a Lenny Kravitz album. There, I said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLhpHjmxNw8

Seriously. I could see that exact song being on RS 2... Sorry!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 23, 2011, 09:19:38 AM
If that song is on RS2 it would be an improvement. ^^
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 23, 2011, 09:19:50 AM
I'm not saying it's "generic" I'm responding to the ridiculous claim that people are discounting reasons for disliking it as "people being against something different." It's NOT different. I will take early Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Cream, and Steppenwolfe an almost any good 60s or 70s rock band over Road Salt any day.
It's pretty different for PoS, which is what the comment is about. I don't know why you think anyone would be claiming that PoS are writing music that is different to everything. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
I'm not saying it's "generic" I'm responding to the ridiculous claim that people are discounting reasons for disliking it as "people being against something different." It's NOT different. I will take early Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Cream, and Steppenwolfe an almost any good 60s or 70s rock band over Road Salt any day.
It's pretty different for PoS, which is what the comment is about. I don't know why you think anyone would be claiming that PoS are writing music that is different to everything. :lol

Well, no one can do that, but they used to be a lot closer to doing that then they are now!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 23, 2011, 09:51:13 AM
Well, I'm not sure I really agree. Like I said, I haven't come across another album that really sounds like RS1. Yeah I could find some individual songs that sound like some of the songs from the album, but I'm talking about the album as a whole. I find it very unique.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on May 23, 2011, 10:18:16 AM
They were playing conditioned live before the release of RS1 btw (saw them on the small linoleum tour), so chances are that it's changed or scrapped.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on May 23, 2011, 11:16:21 AM
People use the word "generic" far too much as a get out clause when really they just mean they don't like it very much.

Sure the production style on RS1 hearkens back to the 70s, but honestly I'd like to find another album that really sounds like it, because I love it and I want more. But I've never heard one.

I'm not saying it's "generic" I'm responding to the ridiculous claim that people are discounting reasons for disliking it as "people being against something different." It's NOT different. I will take early Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Cream, and Steppenwolfe an almost any good 60s or 70s rock band over Road Salt any day. And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R8tRKIiAII

Road Salt is about as innovative as a Lenny Kravitz album. There, I said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLhpHjmxNw8

Seriously. I could see that exact song being on RS 2... Sorry!

OMG it's different for the band not for entire world. And it's as unique as TPE or RL compared to other albums in the world cause it definitely has POS essence all over it. It doesn't matter that the sound is inspired by 70's rock sound. The sound of TPE and RL was also inspired by progressive metal sound and there were already many many classic and awesome progressive metal albums out there in 2000 and 2002. However those two albums ARE uniqe. And not because they created some new genre. They are uniqe because DG and the rest of the band put their souls into it and that's same for RS1 too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 23, 2011, 11:17:48 AM
I'm not sure the rest of PoS put their souls into Road Salt, considering they weren't on a good portion of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 23, 2011, 12:40:50 PM
I think they did. Road Salt 1 is bluesy and soulful, and its cool. No Way reminds me of a Stevie Ray Vaughn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 23, 2011, 12:54:56 PM
I think they did. Road Salt 1 is bluesy and soulful, and its cool. No Way reminds me of a Stevie Ray Vaughn

I dunno, I'm sure DG did. But he wrote every note on the album, and actually performs all of the instruments on a good number of songs. I'm not sure how much "soul" the rest of the guys could have possibly put into an album they had very little to do with.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 23, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
They should just throw away the guitars and start making dubstep.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on May 23, 2011, 01:17:06 PM
YES
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 23, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
They should just throw away the guitars and start making dubstep.
Oh god...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 23, 2011, 06:57:02 PM
Hm, well at least I now know what vomit looks like on a monitor...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on May 24, 2011, 08:43:06 AM
Dan: RS2: Recorded oboe, english horn, flute and alto flute for "Healing Now", "1979", "The Physics of Gridlock" and "To the Shoreline" yesterday.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2011, 09:32:20 AM
Yay acoustic instruments! :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Silver Tears on May 24, 2011, 10:01:43 AM
:caffeine:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
Dan: RS2: Recorded oboe, english horn, flute and alto flute for "Healing Now", "1979", "The Physics of Gridlock" and "To the Shoreline" yesterday.

Really? Did DG actually play all of those instruments or is he saying they were just recorded?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2011, 11:21:30 AM
I'm assuming he means he recorded them rather than played them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2011, 11:23:16 AM
I'm assuming he means he recorded them rather than played them.

Oh good. Still looking forward to Oboe, English Horn, Flute and also Flute........? For the new album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2011, 11:29:41 AM
Alto flute. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: mizzl on May 24, 2011, 11:30:57 AM
Alto flute. :lol
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2011, 11:31:39 AM
Alto flute. :lol

 :censored
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 24, 2011, 11:37:50 AM
:heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2011, 04:48:51 PM
1979?  A Smashing Pumpkins Cover??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on May 24, 2011, 05:09:23 PM
Alto flute. :lol

 :censored

I read "also flute" as well. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on May 24, 2011, 07:04:22 PM
1979?  A Smashing Pumpkins Cover??

was bout to type the same thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 24, 2011, 07:16:07 PM
I would laugh my ass off if 1979 was the last song on the album to symbolize the end of this 70s experiment.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The Degenerate on May 25, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
23:59, December 31st, 1979

Song is one second long, then he moves on to his Glam Metal project.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on May 25, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
then he moves on to his Glam Metal project.
:caffeine:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on May 25, 2011, 05:28:03 PM
If this is what it takes to hear him using more of his screams, i'm all for it. Maybe he will do a cover of Asylum City? :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on July 02, 2011, 01:24:20 AM
A translation from his Swedish twitter account he posted from yesterday:

"Road Salt Two is now mixed, mastered, and DONE! Ready and eager to be released at the end of September as standard, limited, and vinyl".
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: necrotomist on July 02, 2011, 01:56:41 AM
"Road Salt Two is now mixed, mastered, and DONE! Ready and eager to be released at the end of September as standard, limited, and vinyl".

Allthough I'm not a massive fan of their latest work, still looking forward to hear RS2...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: perfectchaos180 on July 02, 2011, 09:18:07 AM
So I'm new to this thread...

I really didn't like Road Salt 1. At all. And yes its because they changed style.

I'm not faulting them for changing style, I'm faulting myself for not liking the style. And I am disappointed that they went that direction. I'm not saying they were wrong for doing it, but I am mad that they did. Just because they are one of my favorite bands doesn't mean I have to approve of everything they do.

Road Salt blows :(

Also the reason most people like TPE and RL the most is because people usually find out about PoS by liking Prog Metal, so generally they will like the albums that are more Prog Metally the most.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2011, 09:19:21 AM
RS1 is one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on July 02, 2011, 09:47:59 AM
yeah road salt one is a pretty great album all around.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 02, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
Also the reason most people like TPE and RL the most is because people usually find out about PoS by liking Prog Metal, so generally they will like the albums that are more Prog Metally the most.


Ai.  I only get a bit annoyed seeing a fair part of the fanbase saying that those two albums are the only two worthwhile albums, and the later stuff is "crap" and not worthwhile.  Hell, I was told that back in 2007 when I was getting into the band.

That said, personally, I think they've been on a steady line of improvement since Entropia, with Be, Scarsick, and Road Salt being my three favorite albums of theirs.  They alienated a lot of fans, and I think they're alright with that, but I wish there was less of the "TPE/RL rules all" mentality. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 02, 2011, 10:34:25 AM
RS1 is one of my favourites.
I agree. It's really quite good.

Controversial Opinion Time: RL (as much as I love it) and tPE are pretty much a short step away from being generic prog metal. Hate on Scarsick and RS1 as much you want, but they're pretty much their own thing. I guess some could say that RS1 is generic 70's rock, but I'd much rather listen to that than generic prog metal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: sonatafanica on July 02, 2011, 10:39:30 AM
i'm not into prog metal at all really, excluding a few albums and songs, and i would say that RL and TPE are close to being what you describe, but at the same time i don't think that's what they're about, or were about when they made it. it's all about feeling for them, and that feeling of music just happened to be progressive metal for those albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 02, 2011, 10:42:34 AM
I'm not really looking forward to RS2, but obviously I'll get it ASAP and listen to it and hopefully love it.


There's a few songs on RS1 I love, but a few I never have any desire to listen to, like Darkness of Mine, She Likes to Hide, No Way etc.

But I love What She Means to Me, Sisters, Tell Me You Don't Know, Sleeping Under the Stars (minus some lyrical choices), Of Dust, Innocence and such. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 02, 2011, 11:16:21 AM
I guess some could say that RS1 is generic 70's rock, but I'd much rather listen to that than generic prog metal.

I don't think you really could, actually.  I certainly can't think of any 70s rock albums offhand that have a spectrum of songs like Of Dust, Sleeping Under the Stars, Curiosity, and Innocence on them.  It's almost like they took the term "70s rock" and turned it upside-down to see what they could draw out of it. 

Also, I've never been bothered by the progressive metal tendencies of the earlier albums in the slightest.  It's like, while they're done in a genre that usually leaves me cold, there is a molten hot emotional core in them that certainly reaches through. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: perfectchaos180 on July 02, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
BE is one of my favorite albums of all time... truly a masterpiece, TPE is not far behind it.

And I like everything of theirs except Road Salt (although some songs are growing on me), Scarsick isn't as bad as a lot of people say, but there are a couple of songs I really don't like on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2011, 06:08:52 PM
I guess some could say that RS1 is generic 70's rock, but I'd much rather listen to that than generic prog metal.

I don't think you really could, actually.  I certainly can't think of any 70s rock albums offhand that have a spectrum of songs like Of Dust, Sleeping Under the Stars, Curiosity, and Innocence on them.  It's almost like they took the term "70s rock" and turned it upside-down to see what they could draw out of it. 
This. There's a very obvious 70s feel and influence, but overall it doesn't sound like ANYTHING that I've heard from that era, or indeed ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2011, 05:37:44 AM
A translation from his Swedish twitter account he posted from yesterday:

"Road Salt Two is now mixed, mastered, and DONE! Ready and eager to be released at the end of September as standard, limited, and vinyl".

Oh yeah!!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bout to crash on July 03, 2011, 10:30:15 PM
No way! September is going to be awesome!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 03, 2011, 10:46:55 PM
Road Salt One is their best album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 03, 2011, 10:48:18 PM
No way! September is going to be awesome!

I'd second this, but I'd say we have fair reason to be skeptical about a Pain of Salvation release date so I'll reserve at this point
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: alirocker08 on July 04, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
I've been trying to get my boyfriend into POS, and whilst he's really into Death Metal and things, Sisters is one of his favourites.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on July 04, 2011, 05:00:31 PM
Probably because it's the only song worth listening from that album /trollface
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: alirocker08 on July 04, 2011, 05:09:07 PM
Probably because it's the only song worth listening from that album /trollface
:O

Blasphemy! RS1 is one of my favourites! XP
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 05, 2011, 09:19:27 AM
Hey guys, I saw them live 4 times. You jelly?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 05, 2011, 09:33:24 AM
Hey guys, I saw them live 4 times. You jelly?

You know how I feel about you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 05, 2011, 09:36:16 AM
Hey guys, I saw them live 4 times. You jelly?

You know how I feel about you.
You love me right?  :-*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 05, 2011, 09:45:46 AM
As soon as Daniel comes to America I'm going to kick his ass for never coming to America. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 05, 2011, 07:05:06 PM
As soon as Daniel comes to America I'm going to kick his ass for never coming to America. 
Make sure to get his prints first. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on July 05, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
As soon as Daniel comes to America I'm going to kick his ass for never coming to America. 
Make sure to get his prints first. :neverusethis:
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: faemir on July 10, 2011, 06:35:56 AM
I just teared up at Sisters, definitely a top 5 song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on July 10, 2011, 06:52:35 AM
As soon as Daniel comes to America I'm going to kick his ass for never coming to America. 
Make sure to get his prints first. :neverusethis:

Yeah, and destroy his piano.

Oh, wait, wrong artist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on July 10, 2011, 07:32:56 AM
I could be seeing them later this year. Not sure if I want to go, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 10, 2011, 09:30:28 AM
I've seen them twice, one of them being the release party for the Linoleum EP. Oddly enough, I never heard anything about a release party for RS1?

Anyway, while RS1 isn't my favorite, I'm really, really looking forward to RS2. And even if it isn't good, it will at least mean the end of the current style they're using. (At least I hope that.) I do wonder what the next album will be like...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 10, 2011, 09:32:27 AM
I've seen them four times and all four times were awesome, definitely go.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 10, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
No way! September is going to be awesome!

I'd second this, but I'd say we have fair reason to be skeptical about a Pain of Salvation release date so I'll reserve at this point
It's already been delayed like 4 times. I'd say this is the real deal.

So, that means we get DT, Opeth, and POS in the same month? That's a prog fan's wet dream right there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 10, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
No way! September is going to be awesome!

I'd second this, but I'd say we have fair reason to be skeptical about a Pain of Salvation release date so I'll reserve at this point
It's already been delayed like 4 times. I'd say this is the real deal.

So, that means we get DT, Opeth, and POS in the same month? That's a prog fan's wet dream right there.
:metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on July 10, 2011, 12:55:04 PM
That means we get DT, Opeth, and POS in the same month? That's a prog fan's wet dream right there.
(http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/features/dream-theater-video-review/mike-mangini-gets-news-460-100-460-70.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: jonny108 on July 14, 2011, 11:39:10 AM
Swedish PAIN OF SALVATION can now finally reveal that the “Road Salt Two” album is scheduled for a September 26th, 2011 release date in Europe via InsideOutMusic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bout to crash on July 14, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Woo! Same day as Steven Wilson's, no? Howsabout the US?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2011, 04:07:39 PM
Howsabout the US?


Who?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 16, 2011, 02:52:48 AM
I'm seeing PoS live in September, suck it!  :loser:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 16, 2011, 07:11:16 AM
I'm seeing PoS live in September, suck it!  :loser:
I might try to catch a show while I'm in Sweden. Already seen them a couple of times but think it would be cool to go to a show there, see if it's any different :p.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 16, 2011, 09:19:27 AM
I'm seeing PoS live in September, suck it!  :loser:
Wait... I thought you didn't like PoS?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 16, 2011, 09:26:30 AM
Nah, I like PoS, but they haven't clicked (yet) as being something more then a good band.
Maybe that will change if I check them out some more, I only have like ~500-600 plays with them on lastfm.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: perfectchaos180 on July 16, 2011, 09:34:55 AM
500-600 listens is a lot.....

Does it always take you more than that to start liking a band?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 16, 2011, 09:40:14 AM
500-600 listens is a lot.....

Does it always take you more than that to start liking a band?

Nah not really, this is kinda an unique example.
PoS has been kinda special for me that way, I started with The Second Death of, which I really liked.
Solid live-album with a lot of good songs, after that I tried Remedy Lane, Scarsick, The Perfect Element, Entropia and One Hour By the Concrete Lake, none really clicked.
Listened to 12:5, which I thought was really good, but again a live-album.
Have not tried BE, but their studio albums hasn't really clicked, so that's kinda a major part of it all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on July 16, 2011, 10:55:49 AM
Nah, I like PoS

(http://www.shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bigbang1.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 16, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
See, Zantera may be brash in his judgements from time to time but he does eventually come around.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on July 16, 2011, 11:27:57 AM
his moment of trascendence will come on the 666th spin. so potentially right around the corner...

just make sure you have tissues on hand for when you mangini, zantera.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 17, 2011, 06:06:03 AM
I'm seeing them with Opeth in December.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 17, 2011, 06:25:47 AM
I'm seeing them with Opeth in December.

Just sayin'.

Same here. ;)
Even though I like Opeth a lot more, I'm still more happy with PoS as an opener then Katatonia.
Don't get me wrong, I really like Katatonia, but I saw them open for PT, they weren't as good live as in studio, and I haven't seen PoS at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 17, 2011, 06:32:26 AM
I don't think I've ever heard a single good thing about Katatonia's live show.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 17, 2011, 10:10:20 PM
Just listened to Road Salt One, and I must say, it was pretty awesome. No Way, Sisters, Of Dust, Tell Me You Don't Know, Sleeping Under the Stars, Linoleum, Curiosity, all cool songs. I loved the fact that it was straight up rock with a ton of blues influence and very little of Gildenlow douchiness. One thing I must say, and this is not a bad thing, is that during the more rocking songs Gildenlow sounds EXACTLY like Chris Cornell circa Badmotorfinger. Any recommendations on where to head to next that is not Remedy Lane. I couldn't get through that one.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on July 17, 2011, 10:26:47 PM
Just wait for RS2.

Seriously though, I'm not an expert on their whole discography, so if you can't stomach Remedy Lane (which is my favorite of the ones I know well), I don't know what would be best for you to sample next.

Welcome, however, to the realm of fine taste and sophistication.*

*Daniel makes us say that whenever we meet a new fan.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jaq on July 17, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
I used to love PoS. 12:5 is still one of my favorite albums of the past decade, I love Remedy Lane to death-when I broke up with my girlfriend of six years a while ago, "Second Love" was pretty much my theme song for the next couple of months-and I even found a lot to enjoy with BE, though by and large I found that it really didn't work overall, just too quirky. Then Scarsick came around and, for me at least, PoS lost the plot. Maybe it was just my interests moved in different directions, but I used to love the hell out of PoS, and now I don't.

Ahh well, I'll always have "Second Love."
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on July 17, 2011, 11:13:58 PM
The only album I have is Scarsick, and I must say I didn't really like it, but I've heard that that album is a bit different. What album would you recommend me to try next? (I'm a metal/prog metal/prog rock fan)

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on July 17, 2011, 11:20:20 PM
I say Remedy Lane, but also a lot of people will say The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 17, 2011, 11:41:42 PM
I say The Perfect Element, but most people will say Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Jirpo on July 17, 2011, 11:57:19 PM
Ok, I will try out those two then, thanks :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 17, 2011, 11:59:58 PM
Just listened to Road Salt One, and I must say, it was pretty awesome. No Way, Sisters, Of Dust, Tell Me You Don't Know, Sleeping Under the Stars, Linoleum, Curiosity, all cool songs. I loved the fact that it was straight up rock with a ton of blues influence and very little of Gildenlow douchiness. One thing I must say, and this is not a bad thing, is that during the more rocking songs Gildenlow sounds EXACTLY like Chris Cornell circa Badmotorfinger. Any recommendations on where to head to next that is not Remedy Lane. I couldn't get through that one.

I'd check out their live CD/DVD, Ending Themes. It's got a really good set, and the sound is really better than PoS studio albums, which usually don't sound very good anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2011, 01:58:12 AM
Cole, I would say "The Second Death of", it's a live album that came out right before Road Salt, so it covers all of the albums released earlier.
Great song-list, and honestly I think PoS sounds much better live.  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pain of occupation on July 18, 2011, 01:31:40 PM
The only album I have is Scarsick, and I must say I didn't really like it, but I've heard that that album is a bit different. What album would you recommend me to try next? (I'm a metal/prog metal/prog rock fan)

Cheers :)

really, i'd say the only two that really give off the prog metal vibe are the firts two albums (Entropia & One hour...), but for some reason, not too many folks will recommend them.

the ending themes album is a great live recording and probly a great place for anyone to start and get a good taste of the band's variety, despite the lack of showcasing the epics.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:09:53 PM
Damn. Road Salt One really is killer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2011, 03:16:02 PM
This Heart of Mine is amazing.  :corn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:16:54 PM
No Way is the best song on the album...as of now. But it will probably stay that way. The song is awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
No Way is the best song on the album...as of now. But it will probably stay that way. The song is awesome.

Nah. It's an ok song.


Of Dust is my favorite, but Sisters is right up there. No Way has that lame little bridge section, just bores the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2011, 03:18:34 PM
No Way is probably my favorite on Road Salt One as well, the groovy guitars!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
No Way is the best song on the album...as of now. But it will probably stay that way. The song is awesome.

Nah. It's an ok song.


Of Dust is my favorite, but Sisters is right up there. No Way has that lame little bridge section, just bores the hell out of me.

That is the one thing that brings the song down...

BUT THE VERSES!! :drool:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:19:53 PM
Verses are cool, but by far the most egocentric lyrics he's written.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
I have no idea what they are about, to be honest.

Care to enlighten me?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:22:38 PM
I have no idea what they are about, to be honest.

Care to enlighten me?

Doesn't seem like a hidden message, it's Daniels character saying that some girls new boyfriend isn't as amazing as he is.

I dunno, it seems that he noticed that fans loved Remedy Lane (which is about sex) and then made another album about sex without really realizing why we liked Remedy Lane and that the fact that it's about sex wasn't it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:23:58 PM
Oh, I figured it was about some character with the same issue or something. Eh, I dig the song. In a few days, I might try Remedy Lane again, but IIRC, I hated it on the first listen so much, I never went back.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:25:28 PM
Oh, I figured it was about some character with the same issue or something. Eh, I dig the song. In a few days, I might try Remedy Lane again, but IIRC, I hated it on the first listen so much, I never went back.

If you hated Remedy Lane, and think No Way is the best PoS song, then this probably isn't the band for you.

They have been getting quirkier and weirder and goofier as of late (which is seems you're very fond of) but their main stuff is pretty damn serious and based around emotion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:27:07 PM
It's not that I like goofy, I just dig the straight up rock. Like, I remember the one song I dug off of Remedy Lane was Ending Theme because it was badass. The chorus had Gildenlow belting and it was cool. :lol

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Yea, this might not be your band.



But if you're up for it, I'd check out either Entropia or One Hour By the Concrete Lake, neither are goofy but they're both pretty rocking (although in a completely different way than RS).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
I'll definitely check them out. I think I'll give Remedy Lane was more listen and if I want to shoot myself, I'll check the other albums out before completely giving up. :lol

I could always hope that RS2 is similar to RS1. Thanks though, dude. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:31:43 PM
I'll definitely check them out. I think I'll give Remedy Lane was more listen and if I want to shoot myself, I'll check the other albums out before completely giving up. :lol

I could always hope that RS2 is similar to RS1. Thanks though, dude. :tup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpK5JaJ_96E

If you don't like that, give up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:34:23 PM
I'm digging it. I mean, it's a bit out there, but I like most of it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:35:38 PM
I'm digging it. I mean, it's a bit out there, but I like most of it.

It is a bit out there. It's not nearly as standard and generic as say...........Earth Day.



The hell?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:38:07 PM
What I mean by out there is that, um, I don't like it when he talks in his songs. It pisses me off and ruins the flow, and FYI, Earth Day is the greatest song ever. Don't make fun of it. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:39:10 PM
What I mean by out there is that, um, I don't like it when he talks in his songs. It pisses me off and ruins the flow, and FYI, Earth Day is the greatest song ever. Don't make fun of it. :P

I didn't make fun of it at all. I was pointing out the irony of you worshiping a song like Earth Day but then complaining that PoS is too "out there". It's like hating goth hipster crap but thinking Tim Burton is the best director ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:40:36 PM
I just don't like talking in the middle of a song. It's kind of what drags down Of Dust...and all of Remedy Lane. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:41:32 PM
I just don't like talking in the middle of a song. It's kind of what drags down Of Dust...and all of Remedy Lane. :lol

Then PoS is not for you. He talks a lot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on July 18, 2011, 03:43:24 PM
I know! :lol

I can dig one album, can't I? :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 18, 2011, 03:48:58 PM
There is no way....
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 18, 2011, 03:50:20 PM
Hey, if even I can come around on PoS, anything is possible right? ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on July 18, 2011, 03:53:58 PM
I can come around on PoS
The world has gone mad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 19, 2011, 04:58:47 AM
STEP BY STEP
HATE CONTROLS
EVERY HEART
EVERY SOUL

(for colefrog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHaI0wxrl70)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on July 20, 2011, 04:44:03 AM
STEP BY STEP
HATE CONTROLS
EVERY HEART
EVERY SOUL

(for colefrog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHaI0wxrl70)

omfg this is like one of my favorite PoS moments EVER. The extended heavy part after that... holy shit.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 20, 2011, 06:50:02 AM
Listened to Remedy Lane in the car, had only heard a few songs before.
Not really sure what to say, it was good (will obviously need more spins), one complaint however, would be that the songs I did know before (Undertow, Chain Sling and This Heart of Mine) sounded better on Second Death of, so I was slightly let down by their studio versions.

I also picked up both Entropia and One Hour... today, they were both fairly cheap.
Though I was out for picking up The Perfect Element, BE and Scarsick, but those were the 3 albums they didn't have in the store, kinda sad since I've seen all in the cd-store before, but I guess I gotta order those.
And I also ordered 12:5 today, should get it in a week or so. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: pogoowner on July 20, 2011, 09:11:46 AM
I just don't like talking in the middle of a song. It's kind of what drags down Of Dust...and all of Remedy Lane. :lol
Don't ever listen to BE, then. If you think things drag during their earlier stuff, you REALLY won't be able to handle BE. Which is why it's my least favorite album of theirs by far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 20, 2011, 01:27:50 PM
Just finished listening to Entropia, really good album.
As a whole I prefer it over Remedy Lane, though that one probably had a few more standout tracks like Trace of Blood and Beyond the Pale.
However... FOREWORD and NIGHTMIST, that is all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ravenheart on July 20, 2011, 01:31:47 PM
I'M NOT AFRAAAAAAAAAAAAAID
I'M NOT AFRAID OF YOU
I'M NOT AFRAAAAAAAAAAAAIID
I'M NOT AFRAID OF YOU

 :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2011, 08:28:33 AM
Okay so I just listened to One Hour By the Concrete Lake.
Liked it less then the others I've heard, though it was still good.

I think a lot of people complain about the sound/production, but I did not have a problem with that, I actually think it was fine on that side.
However, very few of the songs on the album stood out as being really good, obviously that can change over time, but going in beforehand, I didn't recognize a lot of the song-titles, so my initial opinion was that the band themselves maybe weren't too happy about the result of this album?
I love both Handful of Nothing and New Years Eve (heard both before on Second Death of), and Home sounded really good, but I don't think I've read the other songnames before. (like in setlists from concerts or so)
Do the band often play songs from this album live? and if so, which ones?

Gonna give Entropia another listen later.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: alirocker08 on July 21, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
Guys....

http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/pain-of-salvation/road-salt-two-album-cover-artwork-and-tracklisting-unveiled/10150721457240355 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/pain-of-salvation/road-salt-two-album-cover-artwork-and-tracklisting-unveiled/10150721457240355)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 21, 2011, 09:08:52 AM
Guys....

http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/pain-of-salvation/road-salt-two-album-cover-artwork-and-tracklisting-unveiled/10150721457240355 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/pain-of-salvation/road-salt-two-album-cover-artwork-and-tracklisting-unveiled/10150721457240355)
Was just about to post that.

Quote
Following the turbulent and successful release of “Road Salt One” in the year 2010 and the touring activities in its support which climaxed with shows in India and South America earlier this year, Sweden's PAIN OF SALVATION can now reveal the cover artwork and tracklisting for the “Road Salt Two” album as follows:
 
PAIN OF SALVATION – “Road Salt Two”
 
1. Road Salt Theme
2. Softly She Cries
3. Conditioned
4. Healing Now
5. To The Shoreline
6. Eleven
7. 1979
8. The Deeper Cut
9. Mortar Grind
10. Through The Distance
11. The Physics Of Gridlock
12. End Credits
 
“Road Salt Two” is scheduled for a September 26th, 2011 release date in Europe and an October 11th, 2011 release date in North America via InsideOutMusic.

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/283033_10150424875244657_22754734656_10239876_8239694_n.jpg)

I like the cover, but there's no Gone? Did they remove it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zydar on July 21, 2011, 09:13:44 AM
I suppose it's....


Gone.


(http://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/cool.gif)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Lynxo on July 21, 2011, 09:15:42 AM
I suppose it's....


Gone.


(http://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/cool.gif)
I kinda asked for that one, didn't I? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 21, 2011, 09:28:58 AM
I'm pretty thrilled that they decided to leave the other two Linoleum songs off.  It gives the Linoleum EP more of a reason to have existed, and though Gone and If You Wait were the two better songs I'd rather hear an album of mostly new material. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
Yeah yeah, ignore my post. :P
I agree with Seth though, rather a new album with more new songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: petrucci07 on July 21, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
That album cover is beautiful.

And I hope The Physics of Gridlock is the big closer that Innocence wasn't; I remember when RS1 came out a few of us were disappointed that Innocence wasn't an epic closer in the vein of Enter Rain or Beyond the Pale.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on July 21, 2011, 10:57:26 AM
12. End Credits

Opeth
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 21, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
I must say, I like this cover way more then the cover for Road Salt One.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: MirzekDT on July 21, 2011, 12:38:01 PM
I'm hoping for special edition with Gone and If You Wait. I guess that makes sense cause

Objective reasons:
1. Daniel wrote that he remixed those tracks for RS2
2. RS1 special edition was also just short What She Means To Me and No Way and Road Salt extended which wasn't a lot so two additional songs will be great this time
3. we will get both an album with new material and as bonus the rest of Linoleum songs.

Personal reasons:
4. I resisted listening to Linoleum for so long and all I'll get is Mortar Grind!!! :censored

I've just found this quote from Daniel BTW:

"If You Wait is one of my all-time favorite POS songs by the way. Destined for RS2.
Gone is still hanging in the balance, depends on how it works with the rest of the album I'd say..."

I really think that at least If You Wait will be part of RS2 special edition.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Fuzzboy on July 21, 2011, 12:49:16 PM
It looks like daniel is fucking the keyboard player on the album cover

/can never be unseen
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2011, 01:14:01 PM
Album-rankings out of the ones I've heard/know:

1. Entropia
2. Road Salt
3. Remedy Lane
4. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 21, 2011, 01:17:12 PM
Well, I guess there's no harm in listening to Linoleum now since it's only one song spoiled.

Fucking stoked though. RS1 kicks so much ass.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 21, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
If You Wait is quite awesome imo. I wasn't that into it but once I saw it live it suddenly clicked somehow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 21, 2011, 02:07:17 PM
After listening to the EP, I can quite easily say Mortar Grind was by far the best song. Daniel is wise to keep it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 21, 2011, 06:14:01 PM
Agree, Mortar Grind is easily the best song on the EP.  I'm glad it's on the album.  I'm happy to keep the other two on the EP.  Love the cover too.  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2011, 06:15:31 PM
After listening to the EP, I can quite easily say Mortar Grind was by far the best song. Daniel is wise to keep it.


................................................


















......gone is better.





Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 21, 2011, 06:16:26 PM
Nah, MG beats it IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2011, 06:18:04 PM
Nah, MG beats it IMO.

Well I'd put it a little below Gone, but it's still damn good.

1. Gone
2. Mortar Grind
3. If You Wait
4. Hair
5. Cover song
6. Linoleum
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 21, 2011, 06:27:45 PM
Nah, MG beats it IMO.

Well I'd put it a little below Gone, but it's still damn good.

1. Gone
2. Mortar Grind
3. If You Wait
4. Hair
5. Cover song
6. Linoleum

Switch 2 and 3 and that's basically my ranking as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 21, 2011, 06:45:41 PM
Linoleum (song) is awesome and you guys suck.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2011, 06:50:32 PM
Linoleum (song) is awesome and you guys suck.

I can't stand the drums on the verse's but yea, it's a cool song. I have just heard it too many times.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 21, 2011, 07:03:19 PM
I'm listening to the EP right now.  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 21, 2011, 07:07:02 PM
I've got a certain gripe with Mortar Grind (and it's not one I often have with Pain of Salvation) and that is the lyrics.  I think I understand what they were trying to do with the "Emily is sad" thing but it just doesn't work.  Also, the verse is a bit of a bore to me in general.  Definitely one of my lesser favorites of theirs, but I'd be interested in seeing how it turns out after getting a remix job in RS2.  (Assuming it did, of course)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: abydos on July 25, 2011, 05:24:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYvdUSxwv6Q
These guys will be supporting PoS in the show I am not going to go to in a few months.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: NecessaryPain on July 25, 2011, 05:50:10 AM
Got tickets for the Manchester gig w/ Opeth.

Gonna be fucking brutal.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 25, 2011, 06:07:07 AM
Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

Ranking the albums I know:

1. Entropia
2. Remedy Lane
3. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
4. Road Salt (not bad quality-wise, but it's a bit less interesting overall, though I still really enjoy it)

Will probably get my copy of 12:5 this week, then order TPE. ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 25, 2011, 03:43:06 PM
Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

Ranking the albums I know:

1. Entropia
2. Remedy Lane
3. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
4. Road Salt (not bad quality-wise, but it's a bit less interesting overall, though I still really enjoy it)

Will probably get my copy of 12:5 this week, then order TPE. ;)

Bro..... do The Perfect Element mucho rapido!!!!!!! :lol  You're missing the best.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on July 25, 2011, 03:43:55 PM
I'm gonna order it after I get 12:5. :) Then get BE and Scarsick as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on July 26, 2011, 01:44:24 AM
Entropia is way better then I feel most people give it credit for.
Such a great debut-album, and I really like all songs on it, and the whole concept for the album.

YES. Entropia used to be my favorite PoS album until TPE struck me like a meteor, but still it remains such a memorable and impressive album to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: wolfking on July 27, 2011, 06:44:20 AM
http://www.radiometal.com/en/article/pain-of-salvation-road-salt-two-is-almost-there,37093

Radio Metal: Don’t worry, it’s not going to be like a boring interview of twenty minutes… It’s for fun

Daniel Gildenlöw: You might think that! Until I start answering! (Laughs)

(Laughs) Ok, so, how are you doing?

I’m fine. We’ve done the gig, so that’s nice.

How was it?

It was OK. Good crowd, lots of people.

I was a little surprised, because this is a metal festival, and yet a lot of people seemed to react to Pain Of Salvation’s music. That’s cool, because bands like Anathema or Pain Of Salvation might not get the same response as other bands in a purely metal festival. This time, it was the contrary, actually.

I think that when people see us live, they can’t but notice that there’s a groove you have to respond to. I’m just happy it works out. Every time we’re playing at Hellfest, we’re like: “Should we play the metal material?” But then we stick to what’s us, and it usually pays off. That’s good.

The two times you played at Hellfest, it was in the afternoon, so it was quite sunny. I think it’s good conditions for Pain Of Salvation. Some bands look better when it’s dark, but for you, I really enjoy these conditions.

Yeah? I guess we work with different conditions. Of course, as a band, being on stage, it’s always nice when it’s sort of dark, and you can make a light show that sort of underlines the music. But daytime gigs have another type of fascination that comes with them, I guess.

Some bands might tend to hide behind the light show.

Exactly. I’m leaning towards something brutally honest and naked right now, so it would go along with that. We can’t hide behind any cool light shows or whatever; we have to make ourselves and the music talk by themselves.

Have you seen other bands on stage?

I was out and watched a bit of Mr. Big, which was nice. I did the Hammer Of The Gods thing a few years ago, together with Paul Gilbert, so it was nice to see him on stage.

Actually, the two bands, Pain Of Salvation and Mr. Big, can be compared in terms of vocal harmonies. There’s a lot of work there, and that’s quite rare in metal today.

We’ve just been… I wouldn’t say lucky, because we’ve been trying really hard to get the right people in the band. But we have at least three people that are above average when it comes to lead singing. Which is pretty nice, because you can do quite a lot of stuff that other bands can’t really do. Normally, you have like one singer, and the rest of them are sort of singers. But with Johan and Leo in the band, all of this can go extremely high up and become lead singing, which is pretty nice.

It’s also nice because your guitarist can do the lead singing and you can go over the top…

Yeah, I need to jump around sometimes! (laughs) When we do full shows, especially when we play two and a half hours, like we just did in Brazil, for the encore, we can just throw whatever’s out there. I was playing drums for some Dio song, and Leo would do the lead vocals; Johan also did vocals for some Beatles songs. It’s pretty nice. We can do so many different things, ‘cause all of us have sort of a wide foundation to start with. It’s a pleasure and an honor, I guess. Good line-up, I like it a lot.

The last song you played today was a bit different than usual…

The thing is, we only had 45 minutes, which is not really a gig for us. It’s sort of a warm-up! When we started to do the set-list, we figured that we would not be able to play the whole Perfect Element, because there’s the “Falling” intro, where I play a lead solo thing. It starts off pretty soft before it kicks in, and we thought we had to kick in from the start, pretty much. It made for a pretty different experience, we’ve never done that before. We never even played it, we just talked about it twenty minutes before the show! (Laughs) We were like, “ok, maybe if you just did like ‘tick clack uh’ and then we start playing.” So, even though we talked about it, it still felt really odd doing it, because we have never actually done it. It was a weird situation, I guess.

You have already changed some songs in the past. I’m thinking of “Ashes” in major scale, for example. That was really cool.

The one song that has probably gone through the most transformations through the years would be “Nightmist”. I have an old demo recording somewhere, from ’93 or ’94, where it’s really straight through the whole song. And then we’ve been developing it all the time. Already on our first album in 1997, we had introduced a lot of details. Now it’s been going through quite some transformations. We have a reggae part, a power death metal part, and we’re ending with a long twelve-bar blues in five/four. It’s a constant change, everything is up for grabs through the years.

You should to more live albums, to immortalize these changes!

Live albums always seem like a good idea. Today, people want to re-record so much stuff afterwards, and I’m just so against that. So I never do that. But of course, I always get involved in the mixing process. It always starts off like: “We’ll just record the live gig, and release the whole gig or whatever”. Then it ends up being lots more work. I prefer to work on new material. I’m sort of anxious and restless to move on.

Speaking of new material, when is Road Salt Two coming out?

End of September. I think it’s the 27th of September. But I’ve heard it already, so it’s old news to me! (laughs)

What can we expect?

It’s pretty much the same beast as Road Salt One. It’s really the same sort of sound. I used to say that it’s probably darker than Road Salt One, but I’m not sure anymore, ‘cause I’m so subjective. I’m so completely into it, it’s hard to tell. We have more seventies, old-rock-style, sort of Zeppelin or Sabbath-sounding songs, but we also have some soft, sensitive material. It’s really difficult to say how it’s gonna be received by people who’ve never heard it before. It’s more in the same style as the previous album than you can usually expect from Pain Of Salvation, since it’s part of the same thing, really.

You seem pretty enthusiastic about the seventies style, first with Road Salt One, and now Road Salt Two. Is it a new Pain Of Salvation? Can we expect that style in the future?

I’ll probably get sick of that too and change it to something else! (laughs) I don’t know. Right now I’m so fed up with modern production, with clicky-based drums, wall-of-sound guitars and rectifiers and all that crap. I’m sick of it, I can’t stand it, I can’t listen to it. So I needed to find something that felt more true and honest. I just went back all the time to the sound from the seventies, the grainy, just really honest, live-played material. It still moves me, in a way that music from the eighties and nineties simply doesn’t.

Is your bass player a permanent member now?

No! That’s the funny thing. It’s sort of an almost-full bandmember. He’s our first-hand choice when we go out and play. When we played India, we had a guy also called Daniel playing keyboards, because Fredrik was unavailable at that point. So this guy Daniel, who was actually our stage technician for the 2007 tour, managed to play the keyboards. He’s a really good keyboard player. But from the start he’s a bass player – he’s a really good bass player too! So for Brazil that we just did, he came along, but since Fredrik was playing the keyboards, he came along and played the bass, because Per couldn’t be there to play the bass! So it’s sort of open, but we’ll see in the future what happens. It’s hard enough to have four people being able to come to the rehearsals and put in the time and effort that’s needed. With five people, everything starts to get very complicated. We’re not eighteen anymore; we have families, we have lots of other commitments. It’s difficult to get things working out.

Have you heard the album your brother put out with The Shadow Theory, his new band?

No. I would love to say yes to that question. It would just seem so much better if I said yes, I guess! (Laughs) No, I haven’t, actually. Is it good?

It’s excellent. It’s with Devon Graves from Psychotic Waltz.

Oh, that’s cool. Does it have clicky-based drums?

No, I think not! Actually, it also features the drummer from Threshold.

Johanne? Oh, wait, they had three different ones… We’ve played with them a few times through the years, but they’ve had different ones. Is it Johanne, the black guy?

Yes, that’s him!

He’s a really good drummer. A nice guy too. That’s cool.

Sorry, but how is it possible you didn’t listen to an album your own brother is playing on?!

I’ve said it before today, but you’d be surprised about what I haven’t listened to or heard actually!

You know this will end up on Blabbermouth and be twisted around, and people will think you hate your brother and there is a problem in the Gildenlöw family?!

(Laughs) OK, so let’s me rephrase that: I haven’t heard it, but I’m sure it’s good! I’m sure Kristoffer does a stand-out job on the bass! (Laughs) I mean, I really like music. But I think I’m just so deep into the creative part of music that, when I have free time, I like silence. Or possibly watching a good TV series or a movie. Or reading books. Or even better, taking a hot bath while reading books! Listening to music, it’s just… It’s like I need a break from it when I’m not into the whole creative process. I spend so much time getting all the details right, it really makes me go nuts sometimes. So that’s pretty much the reason. Actually, I’ve been on so many different albums outside Pain Of Salvation, and I haven’t even listened to most of them afterwards! It’s like, when I’ve done it, I’m happy with having heard that song. I know what I did, I know what they did, and that’s fine. I don’t need to go back and revisit that. Don’t tell anyone, but I still have the Transatlantic stuff, or the Axamenta stuff, still wrapped in plastic at home. It’s really, really embarrassing! But luckily, that goes with the Pain Of Salvation stuff, too. Like the last DVD: I spent so much time working on it, looking at the menus, going through all the little details… After it was done and I got the final product, I opened it up, I looked at it, but it’s gonna take years for me to be able to put that into my DVD player and actually watch it. I’m done with it for now!

You said we would be surprised about all the things you haven’t listened to. But I’m sure you’ve listened to Lady Gaga!

I’ve heard that one song that’s always on the radio. And that’s it! Why, is she playing here? (laughs)

But every metalhead has already listened to Lady Gaga!

Yeah? I didn’t know that!

She’s a Kiss and Anthrax fan, actually.

Oh yeah? That’s cool. The one song I’ve heard, although it’s extremely commercial at one point, it’s still sort of interesting. It’s a bit uncompromising in a way. I mean, you have that really catchy chorus, but the rest of the song is not really what you would expect from truly mainstream stuff. So I’m not surprised to hear that.

You did a bit of Lady Gaga before Lady Gaga with “Disco Queen”!

Yeah! It’s just that the world didn’t notice it as much, did they? (Laughs) We were kind of Mister Gaga, I guess! (laughs)

So what are you going to do or watch now?

I know Per wants to watch Judas and… What’s the other stuff? Ozzy? I just met up with an old friend who plays in Dark Tranquillity these days. It’s funny: back in 1994, I think, we won this national music contest in Sweden with Pain Of Salvation. And we had this music college band on the side, called The Q-Krunkers From Hell – I won’t even describe what that means. He was 19 years old at that point, and he was one of the two guys taking care of our band. We went to their rehearsal room at one point. He was on stage with this joke band, because we had decided to highjack the stage for their first night. He played the bongo and I played the drums. It was like thrash death metal with country influences – in Swedish, of course! It was really bizarre, satanic and sexist lyrics. But it was a joke, of course, I must emphasize that: it was a joke band. He was playing the bongo for that, and now he’s playing in Dark Tranquillity. I think that was actually the last time we met, in 1994, and now we just met up. So I think I’m gonna check his band out. It will be nice, seeing the old bongo player from The Q-Krunkers From Hell on stage! (Laughs)

Ok, you know, you’re not really interesting so we’d better cut short this interview now…

See, that’s what I said! I told you so! (Laughs)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: bout to crash on August 02, 2011, 01:02:57 AM
Interesting! Think I will definitely dig RS2...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 02, 2011, 11:56:14 AM
Oh, that’s cool. Does it have clicky-based drums?
I lol'd. :rollin
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: russellmania on August 02, 2011, 12:29:47 PM
really surprised at the number of people on this board who liked RS1.  i thought it was awful and cut out the best parts of the Linoleum EP that preceded it.

Also, just curious, has Daniel ever acknowledged or defended the ridiculous similarity between 'Sisters' and 'Nocturne'.  Seems like the most blatant musical plagiarism I've heard in a long time.  Forgive me if this is a topic that has been discussed extensively, I haven't really been following the band much since Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2011, 12:52:16 PM
Also, just curious, has Daniel ever acknowledged or defended the ridiculous similarity between 'Sisters' and 'Nocturne'.  Seems like the most blatant musical plagiarism I've heard in a long time.  Forgive me if this is a topic that has been discussed extensively, I haven't really been following the band much since Scarsick.

If I'm remembering correctly, he said that the similarity really bothered him when it was pointed out to him and he nearly cut/changed the song because of it.  So, according to him it was an unintentional similarity, not a ripoff. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: russellmania on August 02, 2011, 01:11:11 PM
seems to me that it should have been cut and that both albums could have been served by being trimmed and released as 1 album.  Maybe I'll be wrong and RS2 will be great, but I expect it will have as much filler as RS1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 01:13:26 PM
seems to me that it should have been cut and that both albums could have been served by being trimmed and released as 1 album.  Maybe I'll be wrong and RS2 will be great, but I expect it will have as much filler as RS1.

Sisters should have been cut?


No way.



Also, I assume you guys mean Chopins Nocturne? If so, which part I can't seem to find a similarity.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2011, 01:14:45 PM
Nope.  Nocture - Secret Garden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0K_zBV8IHc

I will admit, they are strikingly similar.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 01:17:01 PM
Nope.  Nocture - Secret Garden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0K_zBV8IHc

I will admit, they are strikingly similar.


Well that would explain why I couldn't find any similarity to Chopin.


But wow that's the same melody. Oh well, stuff like that happens.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on August 02, 2011, 01:19:15 PM
Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2011, 01:21:47 PM
I do think it's possibly that Daniel unconsciously had the Secret Garden melody in his head when he wrote the song.  It's happened to me when writing music before.  The way that they both do the exact same little run at about :15 of the Secret Garden video makes a coincidence a little less credible.  But hey, it doesn't bother me.  Also, no way they should have cut Sisters.   :angry:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 01:32:15 PM
I do think it's possibly that Daniel unconsciously had the Secret Garden melody in his head when he wrote the song.  It's happened to me when writing music before.  The way that they both do the exact same little run at about :15 of the Secret Garden video makes a coincidence a little less credible.  But hey, it doesn't bother me.  Also, no way they should have cut Sisters.   :angry:

To be fair I wrote an extremely distinctive Korn riff about a month before it was released. It does happen.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: 73109 on August 02, 2011, 01:33:21 PM
I was messing around on the guitar and "wrote" the intro to Harvester of Sorrow by Metallica. Shit happens.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 01:49:07 PM
Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.

Pretty sure this disqualifies you as a Pain of Salvation fan. It would be like saying you're a Metallica fan, but you only like Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: contest_sanity on August 02, 2011, 02:39:22 PM
Looking forward to Road Salt 2. For the life of me, I still can't seem to dig anything before Road Salt One.
Pretty sure this disqualifies you as a Pain of Salvation fan. It would be like saying you're a Metallica fan, but you only like Death Magnetic.
No, he can be a fan, just as long as he doesn't go to a concert and up on stage singing next to Daniel.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2
Post by: Zantera on August 02, 2011, 04:13:35 PM
Oh yeah, haven't posted here in a while.

Listened to BE and Scarsick once, they still need more time to grow, so ranking them is too early.
Album rankings for the rest:

1. Entropia
2. The Perfect Element
3. Remedy Lane
4. One Hour By the Conrete Lake
5. Road Salt One

As of now, it's tempting to put both Scarsick and BE between RL and One Hour, but yeah they need more time.
12:5 is probably my favorite album by them though, but it's not fair to rank it with the studio's.
Title: Road Salt Sequence... thoughts?
Post by: Aniland on August 02, 2011, 04:16:18 PM
I assume most of the people here are familiar with Pain of Salvation, being one of the biggest prog metal bands and all. Of course, that's all changed as of the past couple of years with the blues rock release Road Salt One, styles of past albums practically all forgotten. With that said, I think that it's one of the best records I've ever heard and while I want more like The Perfect Element, I appreciate what they're doing just as much. Now, Road Salt Two comes in a couple months.

What's your thoughts on this new PoS?
Title: Re: Road Salt Sequence... thoughts?
Post by: Adami on August 02, 2011, 04:16:50 PM
Dude, I know you get off on starting threads, but there's a PoS thread like right beneath this one.
Title: Re: Road Salt Sequence... thoughts?
Post by: Gorille85 on August 02, 2011, 04:17:06 PM
Dude, I know you get off on starting threads, but there's a PoS thread like right beneath this one.

Came here to post that.
Title: Re: Road Salt Sequence... thoughts?
Post by: Zantera on August 02, 2011, 04:22:51 PM
There's already a PoS-thread.

However to stay on topic, even though I like Road Salt One, I would still probably rank it the lowest out of the PoS albums I know.
It's a solid listen, but few of the songs stand out (to me) as being better then just 'good', but again... the whole "going back to the 70's" thing is kinda lame and overdone for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 03, 2011, 09:38:07 AM

(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/67208798/Pain+of+Salvation+PoS+2011_a+PNG.png)

"Haters gonna hate"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 03, 2011, 11:42:44 AM
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/67208798/Pain+of+Salvation+PoS+2011_a+PNG.png)

Quentin Tarantino presents Road Salt Two
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on August 03, 2011, 10:19:47 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on August 03, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
What does Daniel have on his shoulder? A table??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 03, 2011, 10:38:10 PM
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/67208798/Pain+of+Salvation+PoS+2011_a+PNG.png)

Quentin Tarantino presents Road Salt Two

someone needs to shop Reservoir Dogs QT into this
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 04, 2011, 12:50:41 AM
What does Daniel have on his shoulder? A table??

A huge god damn head.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 04, 2011, 05:28:56 AM
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/205893_261649877179499_111621962182292_1162769_634022_n.jpg)

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/229673_261160063895147_111621962182292_1160946_4509287_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 04, 2011, 08:36:24 AM
They've got their new website up.

http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: sonatafanica on August 04, 2011, 09:15:24 AM
woo

i have high hopes for this album, road salt one was fucking great
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 04, 2011, 09:51:59 AM
Same, apparently RS2 is a bit darker, and I love the sound of that. Also, The Physics of Gridlock is nearly 9 minutes long, so I hope it'll be the epic closer (i.e. Beyond the Pale, TPE) that Innocence wasn't.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 06, 2011, 12:37:54 PM
They've got their new website up.

http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/
Wow.

They have NEVER had a good website. First, they had that popup JavaScript bullshit. At least the content was pretty good, they even had some guitar tabs. And then they went blog, which was a DISASTER! And now this? Just Daniel's face and some small info?

In fact, few bands seems to really use their website well. How hard is to put some samples UPFRONT on the website, maybe letting newcomers get a immidiate taste of the band? And that's only scratching the surface...

ANYWAY! I'm quite excited about Road Salt Two - aside from a few songs I really liked the first one. :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 07, 2011, 06:05:55 AM
They've got their new website up.

http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/
Wow.

They have NEVER had a good website. First, they had that popup JavaScript bullshit. At least the content was pretty good, they even had some guitar tabs. And then they went blog, which was a DISASTER! And now this? Just Daniel's face and some small info?

In fact, few bands seems to really use their website well. How hard is to put some samples UPFRONT on the website, maybe letting newcomers get a immidiate taste of the band? And that's only scratching the surface...

It's shocking isn't it. You'd think they'd put their discography up there, a little biography, some samples like you mentioned...
GET IT TOGETHER DANIEL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 07, 2011, 06:41:31 AM
While I agree that their website is a bit... lacking, I still wonder how much people read those discographies/biographies pages?
Personally, when I discover a new band I like, I just read their wikipedia-article, unless it's a really unknown band that doesn't have one (or very little info), but PoS are fairly known, and they have a fairly big article about them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 07, 2011, 06:42:00 AM
I think the blog was actually a pretty good idea, the problem with a blog is that it requires regular updates to make sense, and it only did for the first 2 months or so...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
Wow, they really went all out with that website.  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 09, 2011, 04:31:09 PM
That website is fucking pitiful.

Granted, I never visit websites of bands. Most of them suck ass. I get all my band news from here, last.fm, and wikipedia.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on August 09, 2011, 05:09:19 PM
They've got their new website up.

http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: mizzl on August 09, 2011, 05:12:57 PM
They've got their new website up.

http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.
Exactly my thoughts.

PoS sold out after Entropia IMO :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phantasmatron on August 10, 2011, 05:11:12 PM
They've got their new website up.

http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.

Yeah...not the most apropos tagline.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
They've got their new website up.

http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.
Exactly my thoughts.

PoS sold out after Entropia IMO :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:
You mean after they changed name from Reality
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: mizzl on August 10, 2011, 05:13:56 PM
They've got their new website up.

http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/

"The Bravest Band Alive"?

Uhm....alright. Whatever.
Exactly my thoughts.

PoS sold out after Entropia IMO :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:  :neverusethis:
You mean after they changed name from Reality
More like after DG wrote Second Love.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:16:42 PM
In fact, yeah. TRVE METUL BANDS DON'T WRITE SONGS, THEY GET IMMEDIATE INSPIRATION FROM THE INFERNAL DEPTHS
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: mizzl on August 10, 2011, 05:17:21 PM
In fact, yeah. TRVE METUL BANDS DON'T WRITE SONGS, THEY GET IMMEDIATE INSPIRATION FROM THE INFERNAL DEPTHS
Pain of Salvation isn't true metal, thank god.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:17:49 PM
KVLT BLACK METUL IS THE ONLY REAL MUSIC IN THE WORLD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 10, 2011, 05:23:09 PM
Pluvius Aestivus = X-Files theme-song.

Anyone else hear that as well?  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phantasmatron on August 10, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
Pluvius Aestivus = X-Files theme-song.

Anyone else hear that as well?  :P

I noticed that the first time I heard it...and every time since.  Doesn't stop it from being a good song, though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 10, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
Nah, I mean... I like it, but the "influence" or similarity was just so clear that it was impossible to miss.
I wonder if Daniel is a fan of the show.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:34:59 PM
I haven't listened to it for a while, but I never noticed it...

(Though I wish you hadn't said that though. I'm afraid it will be like with the Opeth logo and me being unable to un-see the fucking Pringles face)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 10, 2011, 05:39:04 PM
I haven't listened to it for a while, but I never noticed it...

(Though I wish you hadn't said that though. I'm afraid it will be like with the Opeth logo and me being unable to un-see the fucking Pringles face)

Don't play Goldeneye either (http://funstoo.blogspot.com/2011/03/golden-eye-007-if-you-see-it-you-can.html)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 10, 2011, 05:42:56 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 10, 2011, 08:08:10 PM
I wonder if Daniel is a fan of the show.

That depends, does it have a clicky bass drum?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 10, 2011, 09:23:33 PM
I wonder if Daniel is a fan of the show.

That depends, does it have a clicky bass drum?

hehe. awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
Time for a new update.
Been spinning BE and Scarsick quite some times the last weeks, seeing as they were the only two left in my journey to discover the discography.
Some quality material, BE is really good, but I don't really know what to say about Scarsick.
Some good songs, but some aren't that special, and the album as a whole hasn't been as enjoyable as the rest.

Album rankings right now:

1. The Perfect Element
2. Entropia
3. BE
--
4. Remedy Lane
--
5. Road Salt One
6. One Hour By the Concrete Lake
7. Scarsick

Note that this may change in a week or so.
I find it really hard to pick a favorite, TPE is probably the one that feels the most perfect, but I've really enjoyed BE a lot, despite not hearing the live-version or read anything about the actual concept, and I still really love Entropia.
It is much rawer and unpolished, but it has all those qualities that makes PoS... PoS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 13, 2011, 07:29:24 PM
Scarsick may need A LOT of time to grow, but when it finally clicks... it's absolutely amazing. I also had very mixed feelings about it at first (and it was the first album I got :P), then I got TPE and Remedy Lane, and when I tried it again and got into it more... wow. It's very, very dark and not really optimistic (even though it is idealistic), but it's an incredible album. There are very few which make me get into the atmosphere as much as Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 15, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
Scarsick is kinda.. I don't know how to explain it.
The lyrics would be the biggest problem, seeing as some songs are good musically, but slightly dragged down by some bad lyrics here and there.
It's not a bad album, but I much prefer the others so far. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
Scarsick is kinda.. I don't know how to explain it.
The lyrics would be the biggest problem, seeing as some songs are good musically, but slightly dragged down by some bad lyrics here and there.
It's not a bad album, but I much prefer the others so far. :P


It would be helped a lot by a thick guitar tone. The paper thin one on the album really takes away from it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 15, 2011, 11:38:17 AM
On a side-note, I do love Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track.
The rest would fall under the ranges of 'haven't clicked' or 'decent, but not more'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 11:39:52 AM
On a side-note, I do love Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track.
The rest would fall under the ranges of 'haven't clicked' or 'decent, but not more'.

I think America could be my least favorite PoS song ever. I guess the banjo break down is cool, but oh my god it's just an annoying song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 15, 2011, 11:53:48 AM
I really quite dig it.
Has a weird kind of vibe to it, and it is pretty crazy, but it manages to get a lot of stuff into 4 minutes or so. (cant remember the length of it)
I first heard it on Second Death of, and it was kinda cool in contrast to Scarsick, the first two songs that clicked for me in general.

How you described 'America' would probably be my description for 'Disco Queen' instead.
That song is probably even more out there, but it doesn't quite grab me in the same way.
I know a lot of people praise 'Enter Rain', and I'll agree that it is one of the better songs on the album overall, though it hasn't quite clicked for me yet, not in the same way as the other epic closing songs at least. (Plains of Dawn, The Perfect Element, Beyond the Pale)

Cribcaged and Kingdom of Loss are two good examples of what I mean by 'good songs with somewhat bad lyrics', the former would probably work really well in a Brickwork-type of thing, aka. take a few mins of Cribcaged and forge it together with a few minutes of another song, and it could be really cool.
KoL is great musically, but the "between two bouncing breasts, on a baywatch beach" is just one of several lines that puts me slightly off with the song. :P



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 11:57:03 AM
I totally agree about Disco Queen, well it's just the chorus that I don't like.........which seems to be everyones favorite part.

And yea, Enter Rain is good, but no where near the other closers. It's just the chorus that drags it down for me, I dunno....I feel nothing from listening to it.

And yea, Kingdom of Loss I think is their most wasted opportunity. The music is great, and so are some of the lyrics, but some of them are just....horrible.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on August 15, 2011, 01:21:06 PM
Scarsick may need A LOT of time to grow, but when it finally clicks... it's absolutely amazing.

This. I really disliked Scarsick for many months but after A LOT of time it started clicking song by song beginning with Idiocracy and now I really love every song on that album.

I agree that the chorus in Enter Rain isn't that great or at least not as great as much it is repeated in the song, and I also think that "fuck this... fuck that..." lyrics in Cribcaged are repeated too much. But those are the only flaws I can think of. Scarsick is real masterpiece and while TPE and RL which used to be my favorites few years ago didn't age well Scarsick aged very well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 15, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
On a side-note, I do love Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track.
The rest would fall under the ranges of 'haven't clicked' or 'decent, but not more'.
I really like the second half of the album, but the first half... kinda sucks. Makes for a weird listening experience.

Also, Kingdom of Loss is a terrible follow-up to King of Loss.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 08:42:46 PM
On a side-note, I do love Flame to the Moth, America and the title-track.
The rest would fall under the ranges of 'haven't clicked' or 'decent, but not more'.
I really like the second half of the album, but the first half... kinda sucks. Makes for a weird listening experience.

Also, Kingdom of Loss is a terrible follow-up to King of Loss.

They really should have named that song something different, because it's musically quite good, even some good lyrics "if you're tearing down my world...." and so forth, but it doesn't seem connected to King of Loss, which is an opus.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 15, 2011, 08:47:24 PM
I'm actually really not at all that impressed with it either musically or lyrically. Daniel's spoken word part just annoys me.

Fortunately, after KoL, the album really seems to pick up steam. Mrs. Modern Mother Mary -> Enter Rain is all pretty good. I always have to resist skipping tracks to get to that part when listening to the full album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2011, 08:49:14 PM
I'm actually really not at all that impressed with it either musically or lyrically. Daniel's spoken word part just annoys me.

Fortunately, after KoL, the album really seems to pick up steam. Mrs. Modern Mother Mary -> Enter Rain is all pretty good. I always have to resist skipping tracks to get to that part when listening to the full album.

When I listen to Scarsick (which I admit........isn't often), I skip to track 6. And I have to suffer through some AWFUL lyrics in Idiocracy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 16, 2011, 02:07:44 AM
For me the only unimpressive song on the album is Mrs. Modern Mother Mary, but only musically, because lyrically it's also very sad and very true. The others all have something amazing about them, some clicked very quickly (the title track got me into the album and - yes - band overall; Kingdom of Loss; of course Enter Rain), some took plenty of time but when they did it was like being enlightened (Spitfall and Flame To The Moth are top of the list).

For me the album is humanity's greatest masterpiece in the "owned with your own weapons" category. It talks about everything that's fucked up in the modern world using all sorts of modern music and terms, and it's straightforward about it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2011, 06:08:49 AM
For me, it's my fav POS release and every song is brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 16, 2011, 01:13:41 PM
Scarsick = how to (essentially) drop the guitar solo and still make a great record.

I think America could be my least favorite PoS song ever. I guess the banjo break down is cool, but oh my god it's just an annoying song.

really?! america's not only "fun" (which is kinda few n far between with POS) but one of the few songs of daniel's i feel comfortable throwing on a playlist for a social gathering.

the only scarsick song that i'd say doesn't leave me feeling totally satisfied is enter rain.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 16, 2011, 01:39:20 PM
Sorry, can't stand America.


In fact I guess you could say I'm sick of America.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 16, 2011, 03:01:47 PM
:hat

(http://www.nickeh.com/images/RS2.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 16, 2011, 03:09:34 PM
What o_O
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 16, 2011, 03:14:05 PM
dammitnick
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 16, 2011, 03:14:23 PM
:hat

(http://www.nickeh.com/images/RS2.jpg)


2 Questions.


1. Where did you get it?
2. Is it as lame as I think it's going to be?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 16, 2011, 03:16:47 PM
Nick acquired it illegally. The whole leak-hating thing has been an act all along.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2011, 03:19:21 PM
I'm fairly sure he got a promo version. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on August 16, 2011, 03:24:11 PM
Oh, that's the new album. This whole time I thought Nick was calling out Adami for something, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on August 16, 2011, 04:05:49 PM
My money's on a photoshop.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 16, 2011, 04:12:16 PM
nick > the rest of us

at least he aint flaunting a new t shirt with it this time (just remembering his early beardfish copy)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2011, 04:19:20 PM
Nick got new POS and Redemption, lucky bastard.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 16, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
My money's on a photoshop.

Not really.
A friend of mine has had the album for quite a while now, sadly for me he won't share it. :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 16, 2011, 07:56:38 PM
I request the entire new album for next Monday night Nick.

DO IT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 16, 2011, 08:58:47 PM
Can't play from the album yet, but hopefully by Monday I'll have a review done. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 16, 2011, 09:08:26 PM
Interested to see that; let us know when it's posted.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Vahvahenki on August 24, 2011, 04:08:48 PM
I hate to bump this thread for a question of this silliness but what about PoS merch? Was Scarsick not only an album but a statement coinciding with a lack of available merchandise?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on August 26, 2011, 06:07:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6YCf6qqqU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6YCf6qqqU)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on August 26, 2011, 06:34:15 AM
Sounds extremely similar to Road Salt One, not surprisingly.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 26, 2011, 06:57:36 AM
I actually REALLY, really like what I'm hearing. :) I didn't dislike a single song I heard. This might turn out to be a much better album than I thought.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 26, 2011, 07:21:36 AM
Ah awesome! Really liked the sound of that, now I can't wait for the album  :laugh:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2011, 07:28:55 AM
I'm holding my judgement, it seems okay, but I'm not keen to make a solid opinion.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 26, 2011, 07:43:38 AM
I'm the exact opposite, I love it already even though I've only heard 30 sec clips  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 26, 2011, 09:07:03 AM
I liked all but two of the samples.

Conditioned just sounded boring, and Physics of Gridlock just sounded....................weird.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on August 26, 2011, 09:34:25 AM
Samples sounds good! This shall be interesting! :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dynia on August 26, 2011, 11:25:41 AM
The samples sound okay. Not good enough to make me really excited about the new album, but i'm not disappointed by them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 26, 2011, 11:31:26 AM
I wont listen until the album comes out, but I am excited about it at least.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on August 26, 2011, 04:04:04 PM
PoS are just an awesome fucking band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 26, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
Is there a place to preorder RS2 yet? Each time I check their webpage, I'm overwhelmed by the uselessness of it and am forced to leave.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 27, 2011, 01:36:48 AM
On another note, unrelated to all the RS2-talk, I have gotten quite the PoS-collection these last weeks or so.
I own these in physical copies:

*Entropia
*One Hour By the Concrete Lake
*The Perfect Element
*Remedy Lane
*12:5
*BE
*BE (Original Stage Production)
*Scarsick
*The Second Death of (2 CD)
*Linoleum EP
*Road Salt One (Limited Edition)

And I'm waiting on The Second Death of (DVD), when I get that, I only need RS2 when it comes, out of the official released stuff. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 27, 2011, 02:42:24 AM
^ nice!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on August 27, 2011, 04:14:39 AM
Those samples were great, I liked every one of them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2011, 04:59:44 AM
Love the samples, very excited about the album!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on August 28, 2011, 12:23:09 AM
Really like the samples! The theme in ending credits and 1979 is so beautiful.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 28, 2011, 04:19:43 AM
On another note, unrelated to all the RS2-talk, I have gotten quite the PoS-collection these last weeks or so.
I own these in physical copies:

*Entropia
*One Hour By the Concrete Lake
*The Perfect Element
*Remedy Lane
*12:5
*BE
*BE (Original Stage Production)
*Scarsick
*The Second Death of (2 CD)
*Linoleum EP
*Road Salt One (Limited Edition)

And I'm waiting on The Second Death of (DVD), when I get that, I only need RS2 when it comes, out of the official released stuff. :)

I'm missing the Ashes single here though. I have everything you listed including that and 'the painful chronicles'  :millahhhh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 28, 2011, 07:40:22 AM
"This video is private.
Sorry about that."

GARGH NEED TO HEAR SAMPLES
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 28, 2011, 08:37:02 AM
In case ya'll missed it here...

http://www.wpapu.com/rev054.html
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on August 28, 2011, 09:46:46 AM
In case ya'll missed it here...

http://www.wpapu.com/rev054.html

So you hated it then.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 28, 2011, 12:34:49 PM
I'm finally starting to really like The Perfect Element (song). Although the first few minutes still feel like getting cockblocked to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on August 28, 2011, 11:31:17 PM
WUT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 28, 2011, 11:33:18 PM
Love that song, I dunno why everyone seems to hate it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 29, 2011, 02:13:10 PM
are they listing the two bonus tracks of the limited edition correctly (repeats of the last 2 tracks)?

i kinda thought if it had bonus tracks, we'd get the other two tracks off the linoleum ep
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on August 29, 2011, 02:51:37 PM
Love that song, I dunno why everyone seems to hate it.

Who hates it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 29, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
Love that song, I dunno why everyone seems to hate it.
It's one of their most highly regarded songs. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 29, 2011, 05:10:54 PM
Love that song, I dunno why everyone seems to hate it.

Who hates it?
I dunno, I always see people here ragging on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 29, 2011, 06:42:27 PM
^
no, theyre raging on it; or at least should be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: senecadawg2 on August 29, 2011, 07:00:04 PM
I'm just starting to get into PoS
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on August 30, 2011, 08:28:28 AM
The front cover of RS2 looks even better than RS1 too
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 30, 2011, 08:42:19 AM
The front cover of RS2 looks even better than RS1 too

I don't really like the cover for RS1, but the new one looks much better. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on August 30, 2011, 08:47:10 AM
Why not?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 30, 2011, 08:58:38 AM
Well, for starters I'm not really much for white/really bright covers.
There are exceptions that I feel are done really well, and then I can't complain much.
To me the cover of RS1 looks like some Christian-music, something spiritual I guess.

Meanwhile RS2 looks much darker, and I just think it looks much cooler in general.
If if will work well with the music on the album is something I can't tell yet.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on August 30, 2011, 09:50:20 AM
Is there a place to preorder RS2 yet? Each time I check their webpage, I'm overwhelmed by the uselessness of it and am forced to leave.

I was trying to figure this out last night.  I went to Amazon and it looks like it's only available for pre-order in Europe right now, not the U.S.  Not sure why. The release date is pretty close.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 01:14:32 PM
http://www.insideoutshop.de/product_info.php?products_id=2335&osCsid=ccd4206febeeb6517f536b0ffe236ac5

as i mentioned, the two bonus tracks be tripping me out
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on August 30, 2011, 01:53:54 PM
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 30, 2011, 02:05:37 PM
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...

Both of those sound like possible counterparts to RS1 songs.  Break Darling Break to Sleeping Under the Stars and Of Salt to Of Dust.  That'd be interesting if they were. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 02:58:39 PM
thanx for the inside info, mirzek.

good points, clairvoyant. i think you're onto something.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on August 30, 2011, 03:28:36 PM
SEMEN STAINS WASH OUT SURPRISINGLY EASILY
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 30, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...
Why must it be an error? The bonus track on RS1 was the first track! And it makes sense to put them in somewhere appropriate on the album, rather than after "Ending Credits". :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 30, 2011, 04:17:52 PM
Bonus tracks in the middle don't sound good to me. Sounds like it's not going to be a particularly coherent album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 30, 2011, 04:28:40 PM
How can you possibly say that when you having even heard the songs or how they fit in yet? 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 30, 2011, 04:30:07 PM
If you can throw in or out two songs, then I find it a fairly obvious conclusion. I can't exactly imagine removing or adding anything on e.g. Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
If you can throw in or out two songs, then I find it a fairly obvious conclusion. I can't exactly imagine removing or adding anything on e.g. Scarsick.

Most bands record more songs than they release, and the final track list is usually not made up till the end. That alone should disprove your point without resorting to specific exceptions.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 30, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
Thorn Clown is in the middle of Remedy Lane. The album flows just fine without it.

That said, I really wish they'd stop doing this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
Two bonus tracks are "Break Darling Break" and "Of Salt" and they are both somewhere in the middle of tracklist not in the end so that must be some kind of error there...
Why must it be an error? The bonus track on RS1 was the first track! And it makes sense to put them in somewhere appropriate on the album, rather than after "Ending Credits". :P

1.   Road Salt Theme   Pain Of Salvation   04:44   
2.   Softly She Cries   Pain Of Salvation   04:15   
3.   Conditioned   Pain Of Salvation   04:15   
4.   Healing Now   Pain Of Salvation   04:29   
5.   To the Shoreline   Pain Of Salvation   03:03   
6.   Eleven   Pain Of Salvation   06:55   
7.   1979   Pain Of Salvation   02:52   
8.   The Deeper Cut   Pain Of Salvation   06:10   
9.   Mortar Grind   Pain Of Salvation   05:46   
10.   Through The Distance   Pain Of Salvation   02:56   
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   Pain Of Salvation   08:43   
12.   End Credits   Pain Of Salvation   03:25   
13.   The Physics Of Gridlock   Pain Of Salvation   08:43   
14.   End Credits   Pain Of Salvation   03:25   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on August 30, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Oh that listing is definitely an error, yeah. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Elite on August 30, 2011, 05:17:21 PM
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2011, 05:19:09 PM
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

It's not my favorite album, but I still love it. It's probably 5th on my list, above RS1, and Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 30, 2011, 05:20:11 PM
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   

What?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 30, 2011, 06:24:46 PM
If you can throw in or out two songs, then I find it a fairly obvious conclusion. I can't exactly imagine removing or adding anything on e.g. Scarsick.

Most bands record more songs than they release, and the final track list is usually not made up till the end. That alone should disprove your point without resorting to specific exceptions.
I'm talking about PoS themselves. I think basically every pre-RS album simply shouldn't be changed and such thing as bonus tracks simply isn't an option (I can't really imagine how RL with the bonus track works). If this time they're adding bonuses and now it's not even an intro but two songs in the middle then it's obvious to me it's even less album-focused than RS1 and much more just a set of individual songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2011, 06:25:54 PM
Aside from Scarsick, every other PoS cd is a concept album. Until RS that is, now these are just normal every day albums, track listing doesn't matter as much on those.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 30, 2011, 06:28:09 PM
Aside from Scarsick, every other PoS cd is a concept album. Until RS that is, now these are just normal every day albums, track listing doesn't matter as much on those.
...what?

I know, I'm just pointing that out. I'm not really happy about that but I can't say I'm very surprised either.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2011, 06:29:14 PM
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on August 30, 2011, 07:12:53 PM
11.   The Physics Of Gridlock Horse   

What?

i know. its extra messed up.

Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

it isn't. it's exactly the the type of follow up to entropia i woulda expected. and that ain't a bad thing, that's a good thing. daniel himself seems to have issues with the album for some reason, though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on August 31, 2011, 12:11:33 AM
Why does everybody in this thread (well, on the first page at least) dislike OHBTCL?
I don't understand that, I absolutely LOVE that album. Could you guys please elaborate as to why it's 'worse' than their other stuff?  :-\

I really like it myself!
Like Adami said, I would prolly rank it over RS1 and Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 31, 2011, 05:43:01 AM
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on August 31, 2011, 05:46:50 AM
Dude, they have ALWAYS had bonus songs in their albums that was only avaliable on the Japanese edition. Road Salt One had an instrumental track called Tip Two Toe, Entropia has Never Learn To Fly, Remedy Lane has Torn Clown, OHBTCL has Beyond the Mirror and one other track I can't remember, The Perfect Element had Epilogue, which they sometimes uses to open shows with.

Just do a YouTube search and you find most of these.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 06:42:30 AM
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.

Well, it's cheaply tied together, a few songs can be legitimately seen as a follow up the He character from TPE, but the rest are really just Daniel complaining about stuff he doesn't like and claiming it's from the characters point of view, which is pretty lame.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 31, 2011, 07:15:47 AM
Scarsick has a narrative, but it's hardly a concept album in the same way the previous albums are.
It isn't a concept in a traditional meaning (it's much more first person than any other album), but it totally is a concept album, and as an album it is really tightly linked together and the way it is constructed I can't imagine substracting or adding a second on it.

Well, it's cheaply tied together, a few songs can be legitimately seen as a follow up the He character from TPE, but the rest are really just Daniel complaining about stuff he doesn't like and claiming it's from the characters point of view, which is pretty lame.
Because obviously the He from TPE1 was perfectly alright with the world around him, he was perfectly suited to it and he was like the model citizen. And on Scarsick it's like BAM, a sudden 180 degrees turn!

It's fine if you dislike Scarsick but creating a massive ideology around it isn't the best path, especially if it doesn't make sense.

Dude, they have ALWAYS had bonus songs in their albums that was only avaliable on the Japanese edition. Road Salt One had an instrumental track called Tip Two Toe, Entropia has Never Learn To Fly, Remedy Lane has Torn Clown, OHBTCL has Beyond the Mirror and one other track I can't remember, The Perfect Element had Epilogue, which they sometimes uses to open shows with.

Just do a YouTube search and you find most of these.
Yes but it was the Japanese edition, not just the digipack version of the regular edition. It's not like I hate it or something, just saying that it probably means it's not going to be much of a concept album just like RS1; it doesn't make me rage, I'm just not very happy about it. That's all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 07:19:52 AM
A massive ideology? Nothing I posted didn't make sense, Daniel feels the exact same way as the character on Scarsick, he went from deep emotional rages about his parents raising him to complaining about fast food.


Really?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
I can kind of follow that. He convinces himself that his parents ruined his world, but when he looks around, he realizes the whole world is fucked.

Album still sucks though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 31, 2011, 08:58:34 AM
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 09:08:05 AM
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 10:05:28 AM
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??

Just noticed that myself haha. But it seems that if I am female, then I am claimed by Ariich, so if you're looking for some lesbian thing, then you're gonna have to look elsewhere, ask Mastershake or whatever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 10:06:57 AM
I can kind of follow that. He convinces himself that his parents ruined his world, but when he looks around, he realizes the whole world is fucked.

Album still sucks though.

No no, it's definitely possible and logical, just not likely. What's more likely is that Daniel just wrote a bunch of lyrics from his own point of view and then attributed them to Him so that the album didn't come off as totally self centered.........which it did anyway.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
I really hope TPE III doesn't suck.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2011, 10:45:15 AM
I really hope TPE III doesn't suck.

I remember hearing that originally BE (musically speaking) was going to be TPEII, but then it became BE. Then I heard from Johan I believe that Daniel was putting off doing TPEIII till he could record it with an orchestra, however now that Daniel hates any form of music made after 1979, it's hard to tell if it will be made and what form it will take.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 10:46:33 AM
I'm actually kind of expecting him to get his "experiment" ideas out and then maybe fall back on TPE III as a way to go back to the Remedy Lane style.

At least, I fucking hope that's what will happen. I really miss that stuff.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on August 31, 2011, 11:03:05 AM
I came in here to join in the PoS discussion but got distracted by the fact that Adami's female all of a sudden??

Just noticed that myself haha. But it seems that if I am female, then I am claimed by Ariich, so if you're looking for some lesbian thing, then you're gonna have to look elsewhere, ask Mastershake or whatever.

Damn I kinda was hoping for a lesbian thing. Tell me if you get bored of Rich  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
She pours herself another glass of wine
Tells herself yet another time she's fine

Never thought that you were conditioned
Never thought that you could be sold... or controlled

Hear me now
Remove these old scars from my soul
Hear me now
Unhinge this stressed skin from our bones

;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
Sequel to Sisters? PLEASE LET IT BE SO
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 31, 2011, 01:01:16 PM
HOLY FUCKING GOD I WANT THIS ALBUM SO BAD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2011, 01:01:29 PM
What makes you think that was all from 1 song?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 31, 2011, 01:03:25 PM
What makes you think that was all from 1 song?

The wine angle gives it a connection to Sisters. Just asking. :p
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
No, I'm just saying that each stanza is from a different song on the new album, they aren't all from one song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 31, 2011, 01:07:42 PM
give it to us
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 31, 2011, 01:12:21 PM
That's what her and her friend said.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on August 31, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
A massive ideology? Nothing I posted didn't make sense, Daniel feels the exact same way as the character on Scarsick, he went from deep emotional rages about his parents raising him to complaining about fast food.


Really?
You just exaggerated so hard my desk broke...

He was an idealist who couldn't fit into society. In TPE1 it was mostly personal issues, in TPE2 there's a whole lot of things fucked up in a greater perspective he can't stand. No, it's not just fast food. People don't kill themselves because they hate fast food, even fictional artistic creations. We're talking about things like hypocrisy, inequality, religious fanaticism in what's supposed to be a modern and progressive society (-> Mrs Modern Mother Mary), and most of all, having the choice of either "closing your eyes" and ignoring everything that's wrong in order to be happy, or being aware of all that shit that happens which leads most likely to dying unhappy an in conflict with everything around - which he does.

I'm trying to put it in a civilised way but it simply pisses me off when someone tries to destroy the value of something which is a very interesting artistic creation, but is simply not very accessible. You don't like it, fine. But trying to make it sound like a gorilla recorded random screams and released it as an album just because you don't like it is not a good thing.

(Yes I just exaggerated too. But for a good reason I believe.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 04, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgC2x7FYdA

The studio version of Conditioned was played on Morow. 

I really like it.  The second half is very cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 04, 2011, 11:53:34 AM
Always loved the sound of Condtioned.

Can't wait for RS2.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Silver Tears on September 04, 2011, 01:11:55 PM
^ Pretty cool song, can't wait for the album  :laugh:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 04, 2011, 02:17:08 PM
That whole song rules, but the second half is especially awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on September 04, 2011, 07:12:20 PM
Listening to the new song right now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 04, 2011, 08:10:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgC2x7FYdA

The studio version of Conditioned was played on Morow. 

I really like it.  The second half is very cool.
That's pretty awesome.

Really looking forward to RS2 now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lodeus on September 04, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Anyone no where to pre-order this for people in the US. Its pretty expensive at Amazon.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 04, 2011, 08:14:26 PM
Anyone no where to pre-order this for people in the US. Its pretty expensive at Amazon.
cmdistro has the US preorders up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lodeus on September 04, 2011, 08:19:05 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 11, 2011, 07:06:42 PM
After the 4th listen, BE has finally clicked and man oh man, is this album incredible.

and

I was going through some old ticket stubs and was looking over my original Prog Nation 09 stub that still had Pain of Salvation written on it and it is really a shame they couldn't make it. Didn't even know who they were at the time, but I was getting into them in preparation for that specific concert only for it all to go pair shaped at the last minute. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on September 12, 2011, 02:34:26 AM
After the 4th listen, BE has finally clicked and man oh man, is this album incredible.
It really is man  :)


According to Rate You Music, Road Salt Two is their best album. Weird.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 12, 2011, 02:37:11 AM
Can't wait for Road Salt Two, I liked the first one, but didn't really find any stand-out songs, and I'm hoping that RS2 might be even better. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 12, 2011, 04:55:05 AM
After the 4th listen, BE has finally clicked and man oh man, is this album incredible.
It really is man  :)


According to Rate You Music, Road Salt Two is their best album. Weird.

I'd probably chalk it up to the fact that there are only 8 ratings so far. 

although

[spoilers]
As it stands now, I can easily see it being one of my favorite records from them.  There are some real standout tracks, especially To The Shoreline, which is a goddamn perfect song, and The Deeper Cut as well.  I've had the promo for about a week and it's still been growing on me.  There are a few tracks that drag it down, but I think the overall quality is considerably stronger than Road Salt Two, which I also loved. 
[/spoilers]
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 12, 2011, 05:12:44 AM
You can listen to 'Eleven' on this webpage:

http://metalkiller54.blogspot.com/2008/05/atrox-trilogie-binocluar.html

Wait for the jukebox to load up on the right side of the page.

Sounds good!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 12, 2011, 08:21:44 AM
Of what I've heard so far, there seem to be no redeeming quality to RS2. As bad as RS1 was (imo) at least it had Sisters and Road Salt. They sounded a bit forced and all but still were decent. This on the other hand-  I can't really stand. To each their own :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 12, 2011, 08:25:43 AM
RS2 is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2011, 11:45:32 AM
Of what I've heard so far, there seem to be no redeeming quality to RS2. As bad as RS1 was (imo) at least it had Sisters and Road Salt. They sounded a bit forced and all but still were decent. This on the other hand-  I can't really stand. To each their own :)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/random/a91a6fd4-1af0-496e-aa5a-30be3d4a4010.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 12, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
As much as I like RS1, it doesn't have any standout songs for me personally.
Yeah there are some great ones like Sisters, but if I compiled a top20 PoS-list, it would be RS1-free.

Anyhow, can't say anything about RS2 since I haven't heard it yet, but I have high hopes for it!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on September 12, 2011, 01:42:07 PM
Of what I've heard so far, there seem to be no redeeming quality to RS2. As bad as RS1 was (imo) at least it had Sisters and Road Salt. They sounded a bit forced and all but still were decent. This on the other hand-  I can't really stand. To each their own :)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/random/a91a6fd4-1af0-496e-aa5a-30be3d4a4010.jpg)
I am glad that after all these years I still am capable of surprising people lol. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 12, 2011, 01:47:52 PM
As bad as RS1 was

I lost you right there. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 12, 2011, 04:33:03 PM
INTO THE WILD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2011, 04:33:45 PM
INTO THE WILD
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 12, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
Of what I've heard so far, there seem to be no redeeming quality to RS2. As bad as RS1 was (imo) at least it had Sisters and Road Salt. They sounded a bit forced and all but still were decent. This on the other hand-  I can't really stand. To each their own :)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/random/a91a6fd4-1af0-496e-aa5a-30be3d4a4010.jpg)
I am glad that after all these years I still am capable of surprising people lol. :)

That's not a person, that's a cat.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 12, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
The 60's were gone but their soul lingered on. And the 80's were still just a promise.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 12, 2011, 04:39:43 PM
The 60's were gone but their soul lingered on. And the 80's were still just a promise.

Please tell me those aren't lyrics on the album. Please.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 12, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
The 60's were gone but their soul lingered on. And the 80's were still just a promise.

Please tell me those aren't lyrics on the album. Please.
I shall not tell you that. Nor deny it.






SPOILER ALERT






I think the lyrics aren't on par with their best work (BE, RL, TPE etc.) but they are still pretty good. Although I haven't listened to them very intensly so my opinion on them might change
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 14, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
This band is pretty much owning my life right now. I can not stop listening to them and I can not get them out of my head. The last time I felt like this was when I discovered Porcupine Tree.

I listened to Water, off of Concrete Lake, about 5 times today, and the whole album itself 3 times.  Damn they are good.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nel on September 14, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
So is Ascend I and II actually from something or is that just something they do on 12:5? I like that instrumental.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 14, 2011, 11:49:34 PM
So is Ascend I and II actually from something or is that just something they do on 12:5? I like that instrumental.

Ascend I is Idioglossia, and Ascend II is the instrumental-section of Her Voices.  :)

Personally I love 12:5, quite possibly my favorite PoS-release.  :heart

Phoenix87x @ I love Water! Such a great song, and IMO very underrated among fans, but I rank it as one of the best on One Hour.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on September 15, 2011, 05:55:22 AM
Phoenix87x @ I love Water! Such a great song, and IMO very underrated among fans, but I rank it as one of the best on One Hour.

I agree it's very underrated song I'm not sure I've ever seen it discussed before so it's nice to finally see some appreciation for that song 2:43-3:29 is the best part. What an amazing song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 15, 2011, 06:00:41 AM
It's really a great tune, the first thing that clicked was the chorus, really amazing.
Hopefully they'll play it live in the future somehow, they could probably break it down and make a brickwork-type of song out of it, or just play it as it is. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 16, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
Flush.

and Flush!



and WEEEEEEEEEEEEE FLUSH!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: VioletS16 on September 16, 2011, 02:46:29 PM
What album would you suggest someone who likes some PoS to get? I am not sure but it seems The Perfect Element ranks high on everyones list. suggestions?  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on September 16, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
Well, it depends which PoS you like already, but I think TPE and Remedy Lane are awesome starters...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 17, 2011, 12:54:44 PM
Well, it depends which PoS you like already, but I think TPE and Remedy Lane are awesome starters...

There is not a better back-to-back double in prog history than the TPE and RL.

Both are ridiculously good albums. And I find it very, very hard to seperate the two.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 17, 2011, 01:19:52 PM
RL hasn't aged as well as I would have liked.

TPE1
Scarsick
BE
RL
RS1
Entropia
OH
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 17, 2011, 02:50:28 PM
RL never really clicked as much as TPE did for me, RL does have A Trace of Blood and Beyond the Pale, but I think TPE as a whole is much better, and has more wow-songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 17, 2011, 03:26:25 PM
RL is one of my least favorites of theirs.  There's a few too many weak tracks on it compared to the consistency of some of their others.  I know there's a lot of negative energy towards it here, but Scarsick is an album where I find it very difficult to pick a clear weaker track or a favorite.  Same goes for TPE, and even BE, to an extent.  That's probably what makes those three my favorites. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 17, 2011, 03:29:54 PM
I couldn't really get into Scarsick to be honest, I do love Flame to the Moth, the title-track and America, but the rest doesn't do much for me sadly.
I'm not suggesting that it's bad, but just nothing that clicked really. :/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 17, 2011, 03:32:52 PM
Well, for me it was a huge grower.  When it first leaked I wasn't wild about it, I might have even disliked it a bit.  It took a while.  I'm not saying people who don't like it haven't tried it enough, but just keep that mind. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 17, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
I couldn't really get into Scarsick to be honest, I do love Flame to the Moth, the title-track and America, but the rest doesn't do much for me sadly.
I'm not suggesting that it's bad, but just nothing that clicked really. :/
It took a while, but I eventually found that the second half of Scarsick is pretty great. Really great actually.

It's unfortunate that, aside from the title-track (and Disco Queen, but I know lots of people hate that song) I really, actively dislike the first half.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 17, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
RL is every bit as good as TPE. Every bit.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 17, 2011, 04:12:40 PM
Time for album-rankings, because why not?

1. The Perfect Element
2. Entropia
3. BE
--
4. Remedy Lane
--
5. One Hour by the Concrete Lake
6. Road Salt One
7. Scarsick (sorry Seth!)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on September 17, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Road Salt 2
Scarsick
Remedy Lane
The Perfect Element
Road Salt 1
------------------------
Entropia
One Hour by the Concrete Lake
------------------------
BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 17, 2011, 04:22:08 PM
Oh Nick you and your BE-hatin.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 17, 2011, 04:26:35 PM
Scarsick
BE
Road Salt Two
TPE
Road Salt One
Entropia
Remedy Lane
OHBTCL

...not fully comfortable with placing RS2 in the ranking yet, but I did anyway. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 17, 2011, 04:43:34 PM
Remedy Lane
The Perfect Element
Entropia
-------------
Road Salt One
Scarsick
-------------
lolbe
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on September 17, 2011, 04:51:49 PM
I like you.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 17, 2011, 05:31:12 PM
I like you.
:tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on September 17, 2011, 09:57:29 PM
TPE
Remedy Lane
Entropia
OHBTCL
Scarsick
Road Salt One
BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 17, 2011, 10:04:18 PM
You all have no taste. BE = :Fronkensteen: .
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pogoowner on September 17, 2011, 10:31:30 PM
You all have no taste. BE = :Fronkensteen: .
It's both silly and boring.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 17, 2011, 10:32:37 PM
You all have no taste. BE = :Fronkensteen: .
It's both silly and boring.
No and double no. It's one of my top 15 albums ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 17, 2011, 10:33:01 PM
BE (Live version) is about as good as Entropia and Remedy Lane, not as good as TPE, better than OHBTCL and WAYYYYYYYYYYY better than Scarsick or Road Salt 1.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 18, 2011, 04:16:33 AM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me. But I also really enjoyed the first...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on September 18, 2011, 11:16:15 AM
Be
The Perfect Element
Road Salt 1
(12:5)
Remedy Lane
Scarsick = Entropia
OHBTCL
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 18, 2011, 01:44:47 PM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me.

I am confused.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Herrick on September 18, 2011, 06:22:44 PM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me.

I am confused.

Maybe it already leaked. I'm not sure. I've no desire to check it out. I wasn't a fan of Road Salt One or or Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 20, 2011, 10:49:05 AM
Just picked up Entropia and Scarsick. I am very excited.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 20, 2011, 10:51:14 AM
Just picked up Entropia and Scarsick. I am very excited.

Entropia is one of their best albums IMO, just an amazing experience.  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
I'm still not a fan of One Hour of Entropia's production, it really puts me off listening to them. I much prefer the live versions of the songs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 20, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me.

I am confused.
I have it (promo copy) and it's fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 02:17:14 PM
Road Salt 2 is pretty high for me.

I am confused.
I have it (promo copy) and it's fucking awesome.

better than RS1?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 20, 2011, 02:20:12 PM
I'm still not a fan of One Hour of Entropia's production, it really puts me off listening to them. I much prefer the live versions of the songs.

I don't quite get the complaint about the production on One Hour.
In some ways I can think that it sounds a bit flat, but on the other hand, I don't think it's a problem really.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2011, 03:32:45 PM
Yeah I agree, I have never had a problem with the production on One Hour either.  I really don't see how it could detract from the listening experience of the album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 03:41:00 PM
I'm still not a fan of One Hour of Entropia's production, it really puts me off listening to them. I much prefer the live versions of the songs.

I don't quite get the complaint about the production on One Hour.
In some ways I can think that it sounds a bit flat, but on the other hand, I don't think it's a problem really.

Oh well.

It just sounds...wrong. It's distracting and makes the music far less enjoyable than it should be.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2011, 06:25:27 PM
PoS have never had "great" production. My main issue with the One Hour are the kick drums, and at times the Keys sound too thin.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 20, 2011, 06:35:29 PM
I think that the production has improved exponentially since Daniel took over.  In particular, I love the sound of Scarsick.  Really nicely mixed album, and the guitar sounds are perfect.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2011, 06:37:46 PM
I think that the production has improved exponentially since Daniel took over.  In particular, I love the sound of Scarsick.  Really nicely mixed album, and the guitar sounds are perfect.

Really? I thought the guitar sounds awful on Scarsick. Not so much the tone, but it's just soooooooooooo thin. The drums finally sounded good, but the guitars sounded like awful cheap plug ins. They need to stop using Line 6 and use real amps.


RS1 has awful production as well. In fact the only album who's production I think perfectly suits the style is The Perfect Element.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 21, 2011, 12:15:14 AM
When I think about PoS, I don't really think of 'OMG Awesome'-production.
It doesn't really bother me on any of their albums, but on the other hand I think that a good production would have enhanced their albums even more.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 21, 2011, 05:47:35 PM
I think I can safely say that People Passing By will be stuck in my head for quite some time.  :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on September 21, 2011, 07:57:25 PM
What I find somewhat funny is that when PoS become more rockish and straight up music like, their fan's say they are "experimenting." It's just kind of funny.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on September 21, 2011, 10:33:49 PM
I think I can safely say that People Passing By will be stuck in my head for quite some time.  :D
:metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 22, 2011, 01:41:24 AM
I think I can safely say that People Passing By will be stuck in my head for quite some time.  :D

That song doesn't get nearly as much as praise as it should!  :hefdaddy

Entropia is just so fantastic overall, songs like Foreword, Winning a War, People Passing By, Oblivion Ocean, Night Mist, Plains of Dawn and Leaving Entropia.  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 22, 2011, 06:53:09 AM
I think I can safely say that People Passing By will be stuck in my head for quite some time.  :D

That song doesn't get nearly as much as praise as it should!  :hefdaddy

Entropia is just so fantastic overall, songs like Foreword, Winning a War, People Passing By, Oblivion Ocean, Night Mist, Plains of Dawn and Leaving Entropia.  :heart

This!

Definitely their most underrated! Seriously. I know that word gets tossed around a lot, but everyone thinks TPE or RL are the best. Entropia is awesome too!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 22, 2011, 06:56:08 AM
Personally I'd say Entropia, TPE and BE would be my favorites, probably in that order.  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 22, 2011, 11:57:06 AM
What I find somewhat funny is that when PoS become more rockish and straight up music like, their fan's say they are "experimenting." It's just kind of funny.

They were. Doing something different is experimenting. If DT started doing rap, that would be experimenting as well.

It's not going away from the mainstream, it's just going away from what you normally do.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on September 22, 2011, 01:35:40 PM
I know, and I understand. I'm just pointing out something I find a bit ironic.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 22, 2011, 04:49:15 PM
I know, and I understand. I'm just pointing out something I find a bit ironic.

There's nothing ironic about it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on September 22, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
*sigh*

Need I continue arguing?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 22, 2011, 05:16:32 PM
*sigh*

Need I continue arguing?

I know not. Need you?


We should try posting like that completely. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on September 22, 2011, 07:12:29 PM
The definition of irony: incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is, or a situation or result showing such incongruity

So, when I hear the world "experimental," I immediately jump to what usually constitues as "experimental." If I had no previous conceptions about PoS and someone said they just released their most "experimental" album yet, I'd think it would sound spacey, prog rocky, Pink Floyd/Radioheadish, but no...it is "experimental" because it is more forward and less proggy. My expectations are different than reality, thus, irony.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Pirate on September 22, 2011, 07:29:50 PM
You would expect 'experimental' to indicate the music is similar in style to previous outputs (regardless of what band it came from)? I suppose if that's really what PoS arrived at after experimenting, then whatever, but it's not like there is an "experimental" genre, including descriptions like spacey Pink Floyd/Radioheadish. Experimenting within a band can result in any sound really.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bss4life15 on September 22, 2011, 07:37:13 PM
I want to try to get into these guys.  I've seen the music videos for Ashes and Lioleum and really loved them, any recommendations to what albums i should start with?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 22, 2011, 08:08:21 PM
any recommendations to what albums i should start with?

The album I started with was the Perfect Element Part 1. Now that was maybe 8 weeks ago and I am now obsessed with them. Perfect Element is gargantuan in what it brings to the table, so it took a few spins before I really fell in love with it. 

 



Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 22, 2011, 08:12:56 PM
I know, and I understand. I'm just pointing out something I find a bit ironic.

I understand exactly where you're coming from and completely understand  :tup
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 23, 2011, 05:58:13 AM
It might just be my average set-up, but the production on this album sounds fantastic.

Really enjoying it so far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Tyrias on September 23, 2011, 06:14:34 AM
So, i just found out PoS are going to open for Opeth at the concert I'm going and i definetely want to check out some of their stuff before I see them live.

Only Question: Where to start?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 23, 2011, 06:18:26 AM
So, i just found out PoS are going to open for Opeth at the concert I'm going and i definetely want to check out some of their stuff before I see them live.

Only Question: Where to start?

I think most people will say either The Perfect Element or Remedy Lane.
Personally I'd say The Perfect Element, I think it's much better then Remedy Lane, even though I like the latter as well. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 23, 2011, 03:08:36 PM
Well they'll be playing the latest stuff combined with the classics, so have a listen to TPE (best), and road salt 1/2 (latest)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 23, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
TPE is definitely not 'much better' than RL.

It might be a bit better.

But i'd say RL is their best, just.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ravenheart on September 23, 2011, 04:10:26 PM
Road Salt 2 is most excellent! It's a big step-up from Road Salt 1, which I still enjoyed.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dynia on September 23, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
Listening to Road Salt Two right now! I'm halfway in, and it's pretty awesome so far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 25, 2011, 08:50:00 AM
The limited edition tracks are fantastic.  They don't really have a good fit with the rest of the album, but as standalone tracks they are really unique experiments for Pain of Salvation.  Especially Of Salt... chills everywhere. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 08:54:52 AM
The limited edition tracks are fantastic.  They don't really have a good fit with the rest of the album, but as standalone tracks they are really unique experiments for Pain of Salvation.  Especially Of Salt... chills everywhere.

Which songs are the limited edition songs exactly?
I'm a bit unsure there. :P

As for the new album, listening through it for the second time, I'm really enjoying it.
Has a bit more variety then part 1 IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 25, 2011, 09:08:51 AM
Break Darling Break and Of Salt. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 09:12:57 AM
Oh, I don't have those on the RS2 I have on my computer. :/
But when I'm buying the album, I'll most likely grab the Limited Edition, so I can just rip it to my comp then I guess.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 25, 2011, 10:43:22 AM
this will be an album to pick up on vinyl.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 10:55:34 AM
this will be an album to pick up on vinyl.

What if I don't have a turntable?  ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on September 25, 2011, 11:01:09 AM
The limited edition tracks are fantastic.  They don't really have a good fit with the rest of the album, but as standalone tracks they are really unique experiments for Pain of Salvation.  Especially Of Salt... chills everywhere.

Of Salt is truly wonderful!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 25, 2011, 11:29:13 AM
Here we go. First listen of Road Salt Two. I'm not that confident in it from the style I've heard it has, but here we go...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 25, 2011, 11:36:00 AM
this will be an album to pick up on vinyl.

What if I don't have a turntable?  ;)

Get one.

Consistant albums from start to finish (Like RS2) are meant for vinyl.

Plus with the 70's vibe going on, it makes sense.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 25, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
So the album is pretty damned good. Exceeded my expectations for sure. *engages flameshield* Sounds kinda like Down in places though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: njdtfan on September 25, 2011, 08:59:43 PM
Great album. as usual from POS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 26, 2011, 11:29:23 AM
Braeking Darling Break... wtf that flute at the end?

edit: why was of salt a bonus track?

in fact, why are any of the extra songs on rs1/2 bonus tracks? Did the band ever mention why? They don't exactly feel like b-sides.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: perfectchaos180 on September 27, 2011, 10:02:14 PM
Road Salt Two was better than I was expecting

I hated Road Salt One at first, but most of the songs have grown on me (Innocence is phenomenal), and I've been obsessed with this band for the past couple of months

Softly She Cries and The Deeper Cut were really good

Mortar Grind was amazing

Disappointed in the final track so far (and by that I mean the Physics of Gridlock), its usually the best one :(

I like the orchestral stuff, but since it is a double album it kind of doesn't fit....
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lelanddt on September 27, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
Guys...........Vocari Dei and Pluvius Aestivus are unbelievable songs! I know, I'm probably three albums too late. But Still!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 27, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
Vocari Dei is the best song ever made to be honest. Its emotional and has this heavenly atmosphere. The messages are among the best emotion I've heard, its one song I will never ever get tired of, and when I read the track by track concept before I bought the album, this track was the one that had me interested, for the concept of the song and how they executed it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on September 27, 2011, 11:10:31 PM
Vocari Dei is the best song ever made to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: lelanddt on September 27, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
Vocari Dei is the best song ever made to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far.

Maybe not the best of all time, but incredibly beautiful, elegant, and simple. It doesn't need to be long or complex. It's really special!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on September 28, 2011, 07:00:00 AM
I never got the love for Vocari Dei. Latericius + Omni is much much better imo.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on September 28, 2011, 07:11:56 AM
So, I'm after my first listen of RS2. :)

The first impression is definitely good, I think better than it was with RS1. My favourites this far are:
The Deeper Cut - this song really has a lot of character. (I don't know how to explain it better.) It's just... strong. And I love the repeated "into the wild...".
Through The Distance - beautiful. As simple as that.
The Physics of Gridlock - well, this song is pretty weird, especially part III, but it's great. Daniel is actually doing really well with French. :p

Also, I LOVE Road Salt Theme and End Credits. They give the album that feeling of being a well-constructed piece and an actual album, rather than randomly placed songs which was my major issue with RS1. Also, the album feels much more consistent overall (there's no :hefdaddy song for me yet like Sisters was on RS1, but nothing that I have trouble to listen to the end like She Likes to Hide).

Though a thing I really dislike about both RS albums is the whole "I'm so manly, she's so fragile" theme in the lyrics. Daniel has shown one million of times in the past, and even on RS itself (Sisters again) that he can talk about male-female relations in a much more subtle and emotional way. It brings it down for me a bit, especially compared to songs with really interesting lyrics like Conditioned or Through The Distance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 28, 2011, 12:33:16 PM
Vocari Dei is the best song ever made to be honest.

I wouldn't go that far.

Maybe not the best of all time, but incredibly beautiful, elegant, and simple. It doesn't need to be long or complex. It's really special!

Thats some reasons why I consider it to be the best. One other is how the song doesn't over do it. The samples add to that mystery of who/what god is, but then I'm talking about the live version. Haven't heard the studio version, but since it was played live that alone adds to the magic. Since that is how I judge a songs greatness.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on September 28, 2011, 02:51:46 PM
To the Shoreline. Wow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 02, 2011, 04:53:13 AM
Road Salt Two is really really fantastic.
Quite possibly their best since BE, or maybe even TPE (IMO), and I would rank it as my third favorite PoS-album together with BE, after Entropia and TPE.

Standout songs for me: The Physics of Gridlock, The Deeper Cut, Healing Now and Conditioned.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 02, 2011, 05:18:27 AM
I really like The Deeper Cut (which by the way, according to the lyrics book has a subtitle of "Into the Wild", which is kinda cool), but this won't top Scarsick for me. Not that I think it's their best, I just think it's their last great album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 10:22:30 AM
You guys are crazy, To the Shoreline is the best.

Dem vocals.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 02, 2011, 10:39:30 AM
To the Shoreline is great, but not top4 on the album for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 11:03:31 AM
I'm really excited for their next album though, as much as I love 70s prog, I've just had too much of it recently.

Scarsick was easily their best mixed album too, I was going back and Remedy Lane / TPE 1 sound really bad compared to BE onwards.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 02, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
Yeah, I don't care for the "going back to the 70's because it's popular"-thing.
Will be interesting to see what they do next. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 02, 2011, 01:19:28 PM
I'm really excited for their next album though, as much as I love 70s prog, I've just had too much of it recently.

Scarsick was easily their best mixed album too, I was going back and Remedy Lane / TPE 1 sound really bad compared to BE onwards.

I find that the mix on Scarsick is a bit clinical (however well that fits with the subject matter); I think the best mixed is "BE". Although the mixes on Ending Theme and 12:5 are brilliant too
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 02, 2011, 03:35:46 PM
To the Shoreline is great, but not top4 on the album for me.
Agreed.
Yeah, I don't care for the "going back to the 70's because it's popular"-thing.
Will be interesting to see what they do next. :)
And this too.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
You guys are crazy, Shoreline is easily top 4.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nighthawkwill7 on October 02, 2011, 05:18:06 PM
As someone who is new to Pain of Salvation, I am loving Road Salt 2.

Now to work my way through the back catalogue  :biggrin:

Any particular album considered a must-have?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 02, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
You guys are crazy, Shoreline is easily top 4.
Well, for me the top four this far is:
Through The Distance
The Deeper Cut
The Physics of Gridlock
Softly She Cries

To The Shoreline is very nice, but it doesn't grab me as much as these four (plus Conditioned which would be fifth I think).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
I think I just have a man-crush on the very final bit where he goes a little bit higher (an octave? I'm no technical guy)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 03, 2011, 02:25:57 AM
Rank the songs on the album then.. :P

The Physics of Gridlock
The Deeper Cut
Healing Now
Conditioned
Softly She Cries
To the Shoreline
Eleven
Mortar Grind
1979
Through the Distance
End Credits
Of Salt
Road Salt Theme
Break Darling Break
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 03, 2011, 05:16:23 AM
To the Shoreline
1979
The Deeper Cut
The Physics of Gridlock
Eleven
Healing Now
Softly She Cries
Of Salt
Through the Distance
Conditioned
Mortar Grind
End Credits
Road Salt Theme
Break Darling Break
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 03, 2011, 05:19:27 AM
After three listens (and this far I've stuck to the vinyl so no bonus songs yet):
The Deeper Cut
The Physics of Gridlock
Softly She Cries
1979
Conditioned
Eleven
Through The Distance
To The Shoreline
Healing Now
Mortar Grind

I do not rank Road Salt Theme and End Credits, because I love both but can't find a way to fairly compare them with the rest.

Softly She Cries, 1979 and Eleven are going up my list very quickly. Through The Distance on the other hand fell down a bit. It's a very consistent album overall, I put Healing Now second lowest but I still like it very very much (and it also grows on me a bit). The only song I have issues with is Mortar Grind - it sounds a bit muddy, and I really dislike the lyrics. Though the way they sing "MORTAR GRIND" is amazing.

Also, does anyone know what's the meaning of "eleven"? (Other than that it's actually repeated 11 times during the song)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 03, 2011, 06:29:41 AM
Through the Distance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 04, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
I'm now enjoying RS2 in ways RS1 never did. It's brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 04, 2011, 10:42:50 AM
RS1 is still fairly meh for me, but RS2 is brilliant.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 04, 2011, 12:23:11 PM
I love both. No idea which I prefer.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 04, 2011, 04:20:34 PM
Though a thing I really dislike about both RS albums is the whole "I'm so manly, she's so fragile" theme in the lyrics. Daniel has shown one million of times in the past, and even on RS itself (Sisters again) that he can talk about male-female relations in a much more subtle and emotional way. It brings it down for me a bit, especially compared to songs with really interesting lyrics like Conditioned or Through The Distance.
Exactly what I'd been thinking. However, I love this album, which is great since their previous two disappointed me.

Also, my favourite is Mortar Grind. Even if it does sound like Down.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 04, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
Actually, when I look at it now only Mortar Grind has this problem on RS2. RS1 had too much of this though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 08, 2011, 02:08:41 PM
Just got my CD and t-shirt today and I'm listening now.

Wow, this is soooooo much better than Road Salt One so far (which I liked quite a bit). The jam section in Eleven is so much fun.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 09, 2011, 04:40:03 AM
Still getting my head around this album.  RS1 took a long time to grow on me so I'm guessing this one is the same.  A lot of the melodies on RS2 seem stronger though.  I would have liked some more heavier songs, but the diversity of the material here is exceptional.  It's amazing how this band has never made the same album twice. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on October 09, 2011, 06:14:27 AM
The Deeper Cut
The Physics of Gridlock
Through the Distance
Healing Now
1979
To the Shorline
Eleven
Conditioned
End Credits
Mortar Grind
Softly She Cried ( EDIT: Solfly She Cries not cried.)
Road Salt Theme

Amazing album  :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 09, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
Softly She Cried [second last]
[softly he cries]

But... but... it's a great song :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on October 09, 2011, 05:02:35 PM
Softly She Cried [second last]
[softly he cries]

But... but... it's a great song :(

It's an awesome song! Doesn't mean I don't like it because it's near the bottom, I love them all  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 10, 2011, 05:33:36 AM
Yay :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 10, 2011, 10:13:01 AM
Me while listening to the fast jammy section in the middle of Healing Now: 

(http://i.imgur.com/Arko5.gif)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: abydos on October 10, 2011, 04:08:34 PM
So they had a show here, some guy has uploaded a few songs with decent quality. Here's Ashes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aOVDvudZBU
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on October 11, 2011, 12:23:29 AM
That fuckin' song still gives me chills.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 11, 2011, 08:19:11 AM
My greatest wish is Enter Rain live. And in general more Scarsick songs in the rotation, I don't see why there can't be 3 in every setlist, I know it's a pretty controversial album but on Ending Themes you can really see people get into them. They have a lot of energy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 11, 2011, 10:33:41 AM
I can only speak for myself, and the fact that I don't like Scarsick that much, apart from a few really good songs it has.
However, I think their earlier catalog is SO good, and RS2 brought so many good tracks to the table, that if I would make up a wish-setlist, there wouldn't be much room for any Scarsick songs left.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 12, 2011, 11:47:19 AM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 12, 2011, 12:09:19 PM
RS2 only comes out over here in two weeks... WTF
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on October 12, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?

Yes, you are crazy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zydar on October 12, 2011, 01:10:51 PM
(http://www.dula.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Oh-Chicken-Strip-You-So-Crazy-300x400.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 12, 2011, 01:52:58 PM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?

Yes, you are crazy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 12, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?

You were already crazy.  This more or less confirms you're a terrible human being.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 12, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
So, I'm starting to think that I like RS1 more than RS2. Am I crazy?

I like RS1 a lot more than RS2. RS2's out of the box songs like "To the Shoreline" are a step-forward, but almost all the 70s sounding stuff is a huge step back.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 12, 2011, 08:27:34 PM
RS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RS1
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: 73109 on October 12, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Wait...wait...wait...

RS1=RS2
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 12, 2011, 11:40:09 PM
RS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RS1

This.
RS2 is about a 4,5/5 album for me, meanwhile RS1 would be a 3/5 album.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 13, 2011, 03:18:39 AM
Wait...wait...wait...

RS1=RS2
This.

Both are amazing, I don't think I can really choose between them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on October 13, 2011, 06:12:50 AM
I'd say they're both as good as each other.

There's no way RS2 is miles better than RS1, and the same vice-versa.

Personally, as much as I dig the new stuff, I think it's time for a new direction already. More prog rock/metal, please.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 13, 2011, 06:17:59 AM
Yeah the 70's thing is fairly lame for me.
They did two albums, one good and one great (as I see it), and something new and refreshing would be cool.
Even though I don't care that much for Scarsick as an album, TPE part 3 would be cool.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 13, 2011, 06:19:34 AM
Like I said, both these album are what, like just under an hour? I think there's a good 30 minutes of great music on each. Two albums probably wasn't necessary.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 13, 2011, 07:29:06 AM
I love TPE1 and Scarsick, so I would totally welcome part 3.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 13, 2011, 07:40:11 AM
I've got this delusion that Gildenlow will end up returning to delicious prog metal when he does TPE part III. Or, he could make another Scarsick, which would taint the entire series. THERE'S STILL TIME TO SAVE THE NAME OF THE PERFECT ELEMENT, DANIEL. MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 13, 2011, 08:47:17 AM
I don't think he'll do the same thing as the RS albums again, but I don't expect him to do anything else again either. I imagine he'll explore something else new as he always does.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: bout to crash on October 13, 2011, 08:51:31 AM
 :tup

Anyway, finally got RS2 yesterday (had to go to three different stores) and will be listening to it on my commute :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 13, 2011, 09:57:35 AM
I've got this delusion that Gildenlow will end up returning to delicious prog metal when he does TPE part III. Or, he could make another Scarsick, which would taint the entire series. THERE'S STILL TIME TO SAVE THE NAME OF THE PERFECT ELEMENT, DANIEL. MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
Why exactly do you need to "save" something that has two flawless parts this far?

Also, it seems every album starting with BE is a 180 degrees turn. Epic, symphonic and philosophical BE -> dark, ultramodern and down to earth Scarsick -> lively '70s Road Salt.

Conclusion? ELECTRONIC ALBUM INCOMING
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 13, 2011, 10:28:15 AM
I would probably enjoy an electronic album more then RS1 and Scarsick to be honest, but in terms of variety, I think they hit a homerun with The Perfect Element really.
That album just has loads of variety, and doesn't really have a single weak spot throughout.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 13, 2011, 10:36:43 AM
I've got this delusion that Gildenlow will end up returning to delicious prog metal when he does TPE part III. Or, he could make another Scarsick, which would taint the entire series. THERE'S STILL TIME TO SAVE THE NAME OF THE PERFECT ELEMENT, DANIEL. MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
Why exactly do you need to "save" something that has two flawless parts this far?
Scarsick is an abomination.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 13, 2011, 10:38:00 AM
I haven't noticed. :p
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 13, 2011, 12:24:34 PM
Scarsick is good though. And I would love to hear an electronic album by them!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on October 13, 2011, 03:58:10 PM
I don't think he'll do the same thing as the RS albums again, but I don't expect him to do anything else again either. I imagine he'll explore something else new as he always does.

That's fine by me. PoS is always evolving and always making new music.

I don't necessarily want another RL or TPE, either. I'm happy for some new stuff.

Just no more 70's. They are both worthy additions to their discography, and they will be awesome live, but two albums is plenty.

I wouldn't be suprised if Gildenlow decided to go for a heavier approach next time round. That's something they've not quite explored yet.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 13, 2011, 05:13:10 PM
I'd love to hear something more electronic from PoS. 1979 showed how amazingly that kind of influence can work.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 13, 2011, 05:56:19 PM
Scarsick is good though. And I would love to hear an electronic album by them!

I'd be interested in seeing how this would work.  They have such an organic sound (especially in the more recent efforts, but throughout their proggy years as well) that it's not easy to imagine how they would create an electronic album and still make it sound like Pain of Salvation.  As far as what's coming next, the only hint I know of is that Daniel said that TPE3 is still to come, and it will be symphonic.  But even that was a while ago, and it's very possible that things have changed.  I can't wait to see where they go next! 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 13, 2011, 06:05:16 PM
Can anyone explain why Portnoy seems to always do drums on Ashes whenever possible?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 14, 2011, 04:30:01 AM
Can anyone explain why Portnoy seems to always do drums on Ashes whenever possible?

He likes the song+likes playing with other bands+is ronery
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 14, 2011, 04:34:47 AM
I threw that electronic idea as a joke :lol but it's nice it became a sort of discussion. :)

More seriously, I wouldn't mind an electronic album if it was something darker. I'm not really a fan of electronic music, but there are some uses of it that have impressed me (e.g. Riverside - Hybrid Times outro, which is absolute genius). The Pineapple Thief also nicely combined electronic parts with very energetic and quite heavy riffs. If they go in that direction, I'll be very curious. But if it would be a "LET'S DISCO" album... fuck no. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 14, 2011, 11:50:24 AM
But if it would be a "LET'S DISCO" album... fuck no. :lol

That would seriously be awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 14, 2011, 12:28:05 PM
No... No... No... No. That sounds wrong on an infinite amount of levels.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 14, 2011, 05:49:39 PM
I love Disco Queen. A whole album like that would probably be so good, as long as there was still enough variety!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 15, 2011, 06:14:06 PM
For more thought in speculating about where they are going to go next, Daniel said that To the Shoreline and 1979 were the two songs on the album that were closest to the general direction that he wanted to go from here, or something to that effect.  Presumably that means that we might be getting even more of the folky sound next.  ..Which would be awesome, especially since those two songs are probably my favorites on the album. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 15, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Those are my favourites, so that would be bloody amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 16, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Those are both two of the strongest on the album, so that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on October 16, 2011, 11:38:16 AM
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 16, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 16, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?

My exact thoughts, it's easily the best on the album for me.

Also, according to the lyric booklet its subtitle is "Into the Wild", which is cool
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 16, 2011, 01:20:23 PM
I really love Through the Distance. I don't know if it's my favourite but it's definitely up there.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 16, 2011, 01:25:07 PM
My favourite is definitely The Deeper Cut and second probably The Physics of Gridlock but not sure what's after them.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: MirzekDT on October 16, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
Healing Now, To The Shoreline and 1979 are my favorite songs on the album I would love if Daniel would go further into that direction on next album

What about The Deeper Cut?

I really love The Deeper Cut, those songs weren't my only favorite songs I mentioned those specifically because they were mentioned in previous posts and they all resonate with me so much.

Anyway my favorite songs from RS2 in no particular order are these: Softly She Cries, Healing Now, To The Shoreline, 1979, Of Salt, The Deeper Cut, The Physics Of Gridlock

Then not the best but still awesome songs are: Road Salt Theme, Conditioned, Mortar Grind, Through The Distance, End Credits

And both remaining songs Eleven and Break Darling Break are still great but not as good as above

RS2 is really incredible album much better than RS1 (and I loved that one too) I will see how it will age but it has big potential to become my favorite POS album
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 20, 2011, 06:36:49 AM
Do people bother with the chapter tags in their song titles? officially on musicbrainz the tags have them, and wikipedia has the tracks listed under chapters, meaning the albums go like:
! (foreword)       
Chapter I: Welcome to Entropia       
Chapter I: Winning a War       
Chapter I: People Passing By       
Chapter I: Oblivion Ocean       
Chapter II: Stress       
Chapter II: Revival       
Chapter II: Void of Her       
Chapter II: To the End    
Chapter II: Never Learn to Fly   
Chapter III: Circles       
Chapter III: Nightmist       
Chapter III: Plains of Dawn       
Chapter III: Leaving Entropia (epilogue)

Spirit of the Land       
Part of the Machine: Inside       
Part of the Machine: The Big Machine       
Part of the Machine: New Year's Eve       
Spirit of Man: Handful of Nothing       
Spirit of Man: Water       
Spirit of Man: Home       
Karachay: Black Hills       
Karachay: Pilgrim       
Karachay: Shore Serenity    
Karachay: Inside Out

Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Used    
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": In the Flesh       
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Ashes       
Chapter I. "As These Two Desolate Worlds Collide": Morning on Earth       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Idioglossia       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Her Voices       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": Dedication       
Chapter II. "It All Catches Up on You When You Slow Down": King of Loss       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Reconciliation       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Song for the Innocent       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Falling       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": The Perfect Element       
Chapter III. "Far Beyond the Point of No Return": Epilogue

Of Two Beginnings       
Chapter I: Ending Theme    
Chapter I: Fandango       
Chapter I: A Trace of Blood       
Chapter I: This Heart of Mine (I Pledge)
Chapter I: Thorn Clown   
Chapter I: Undertow       
Chapter II: Rope Ends       
Chapter II: Chain Sling       
Chapter II: Dryad of the Woods       
Chapter III: Remedy Lane       
Chapter III: Waking Every God       
Chapter III: Second Love       
Chapter III: Beyond the Pale

Prologue: Animae Partus ("I Am")       
I. Animae Partus: Deus Nova       
I. Animae Partus: Imago (Homines Partus)    
I. Animae Partus: Pluvius Aestivus       
II. Machinassiah: Lilium Cruentus (Deus Nova)       
II. Machinassiah: Nauticus (Drifting)       
II. Machinassiah: Dea Pecuniae: I. Mister Money - II. Permanere - III. I Raise My Glass    
III. Machinageddon: Vocari Dei       
III. Machinageddon: Diffidentia (Breaching the Core)       
III. Machinageddon: Nihil Morari       
IV. Machinauticus: Latericius Valete    
IV. Machinauticus: Omni       
IV. Machinauticus: Iter Impius       
IV. Machinauticus: Martius/Nauticus II    
V. Deus Nova Mobile: Animae Partus II

BE looks good to me, but the others it seems a bit awkward to look at - especially TPE1.

So do people use any of them or not?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2011, 06:56:57 AM
I don't, except for on 12:5.
That album is the worst album to tag ever.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 20, 2011, 07:19:57 AM
I think I might just have a custom id3 tag called chapter to keep it as a reference, then leave them in on 12:5 and BE (BE's look cool!)

edit: how many of the japanese bonus tracks do people have? I have the Remedy Lane one and it's...not very good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2011, 07:53:30 AM
Thorn Clown?
Pretty good song from what I remember.

The problem with Remedy Lane for me, is that two instrumentals in a row really kills the flow, so the additional song really makes the flow better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 20, 2011, 08:51:30 AM
I don't really consider the title track a proper instrumental, more like an interlude.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2011, 09:58:32 AM
When it's ~7 minutes instrumental without vocals on an album that has vocals, then it's way too long for my taste.
It also might explain my dislike for DT's latter half in their discography, seeing as the instrumental-sections on their albums became longer and longer (to me at least).

I don't have anything about instrumental music or so, Post-Rock is my favorite genre and it's in most cases instrumental, but as I said, on an album with vocals, it does kill the flow a bit with 7 instrumental minutes.
Nothing wrong with the songs, cause I do love Dryad of the Woods.  :heart
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 20, 2011, 10:04:37 AM
I guess I don't mind instrumentals if they are awesome like the title track, so it doesn't wreck the flow for me.

And Thorn Clown is between This Heart and Undertow I think, though there are conflicting reports. the mix on the sound felt weird (and bad), and it doesn't fit  the album at all. It's too heavy.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2011, 10:40:13 AM
"The Japanese edition of this album also contains a bonus track titled Thorn Clown (7:23) that fits in between " Dryad of the Woods" and "Remedy Lane"."

That's what I've heard everywhere tbh, but I mostly listen to the album as it is. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on October 20, 2011, 09:59:22 PM
I always found it interesting that a non-all-instrumental album would have two instrumentals back to back.  That seems pretty unique to me, as I can't think of any other albums with such an occurrence.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 21, 2011, 07:37:43 AM
Wow.


The limited edition of RS2 adds so much. The two extra tracks make it more of a second part album, instead of a follow up.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 21, 2011, 08:32:32 AM
http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/johan-leaves-pos/ (http://www.painofsalvation.com/2011/johan-leaves-pos/)

Noooooooooo! :( Dammit, why does everyone leave this band?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 21, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
Holy shit.

I truly treasure the albums PoS made pre-Scarsick. Sad to see how much of that band is gone now...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on October 21, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
:( Hallgren was so awesome... Especially in a live setting he was amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on October 21, 2011, 08:39:44 AM
Truly did not see that coming.

But the band has always been about Gildenlol. I'm sure they'll find a good replacement.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 21, 2011, 08:40:01 AM
Djees... Did not see this coming.


So, it's only Daniel and Frederik now? I guess Frederik will leave soon too, leaving only the DG project.
If he keeps making albums like RS2 I'm not complaining though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 21, 2011, 08:42:50 AM
Studio PoS has always more or less been a DG solo thing.

But, live, Johan brought so much character... and unless you saw it yourself or on DVD, you'd never know how instrumental he was into pulling off the live act. Similar to what Kristofer Gildenlow brought to the live performances... so much energy and character...

Now, both live and in studio, PoS is all about Daniel, all the time. Sad...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 21, 2011, 08:50:10 AM
Studio PoS has always more or less been a DG solo thing.

But, live, Johan brought so much character... and unless you saw it yourself or on DVD, you'd never know how instrumental he was into pulling off the live act. Similar to what Kristofer Gildenlow brought to the live performances... so much energy and character...

Now, both live and in studio, PoS is all about Daniel, all the time. Sad...

I saw them live, and you can see me on a dvd seeing them live too ;)
But yeah, live would be totally different now. Although I'm sure he'll pull a 'zappa' and get an awesome band around himself, to get him to play his music.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 21, 2011, 08:54:17 AM
Sad news. :(
I'm glad that he'll still be with them on the tour though, seeing as I'll be one of the last fans to see him live right before he quits.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Liberation on October 21, 2011, 09:14:52 AM
This is really, really not good... He definitely feels like part of the core of the band for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 21, 2011, 11:00:23 AM
Argh! I love Johan :(

Never got to see them live with him either... well as long as they find a good replacement I'll be happy. The new drummer doesn't live up to the old one though he's still good enough.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on October 21, 2011, 12:02:54 PM
This fucking SUCKS! So glad I bought that Opeth ticket now though
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Algo Fonix on October 21, 2011, 12:36:25 PM
This really sucks. And I never got to see them live. Now I'll never get to see them with him.  :'(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 21, 2011, 01:37:21 PM
Eh. It's not the end of the world but I'll be missed I guess.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nel on October 21, 2011, 01:58:55 PM
Giving RS1 a spin before hopping into RS2. Only listened to it once when it came out. Trying to go in with a more, er, optimistic attitude this time.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on October 21, 2011, 05:59:41 PM
Eh. It's not the end of the world but I'll be missed I guess.
This. It's sad news, but understandable. PoS aren't huge but they're big enough to do touring and all sorts now, and most of the band clearly weren't really into that, so it makes sense that they'll do smaller scale projects that allow them time with their families.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on October 21, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
Eh. It's not the end of the world but I'll be missed I guess.

Johan?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 21, 2011, 09:35:54 PM
 :yarr
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Post by: Liberation on October 22, 2011, 04:31:27 AM
Though now I'm even more sad that yesterday (21st October) was the date of both PoS and Steven Wilson playing live near me, and I had to choose one or the other...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: obscure on October 22, 2011, 07:52:15 AM
I just heard  :(
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Post by: faemir on October 22, 2011, 10:24:37 AM
On a more positive note,

Flame to the Moth is an incredible song, possibly even a top 5 PoS song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2011, 10:38:45 AM
On a more positive note,

Flame to the Moth is an incredible song, possibly even a top 5 PoS song.

It's my favorite from Scarsick, good song.
Too bad about the rest of the album. (apart from a few good ones)
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Post by: faemir on October 22, 2011, 03:12:11 PM
Scarsick is my second favourite PoS album, I guess my tastes just differ from the majority of PoS fans. Or the majority on here anyway. The rapping? love it. Political stuff? It works. Disco? HELL YES.
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Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2011, 04:35:32 PM
I don't think Scarsick is AS bad as some people make it sound, but it does very little for me compared to their other albums.
Entropia, The Perfect Element, BE.. some good stuff right there.
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Post by: faemir on October 22, 2011, 06:35:09 PM
I'm really really interested in what they do next - with the 70s out of Daniel's system, will he make stuff that pleases the old fans? That statement a few pages back with him feeling the new material of those songs from RS2 would imo be that, and I'd love it.
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Post by: Liberation on October 22, 2011, 08:04:24 PM
I'm pretty open for new directions but one thing I really want is just PoS coming back to coherent albums with a flow (not necessarily concept albums if he no longer feels like doing those). RS1 is clearly just "random songs put together into an album", RS2 is a very good step in the right direction again but it's still not even close to what e.g. Scarsick is.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on October 23, 2011, 12:10:21 AM
RS1 is clearly just "random songs put together into an album"

WAT
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Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 02:02:46 AM
I can sorta agree.
No offense to the RS-albums now, but what I really miss, is the whole "album divided into chapters" and the concept-thing, I really love it how it works on pretty much all their previous albums.
When I look back at Entropia, One Hour.., The Perfect Element, Remedy Lane, BE.. I really think of the great concepts, and while some have been more concept albums then others, I still really love their thing of having chapters and having songs really flow together nicely.

In comparison, RS is "just" an album with songs on it.
Nothing particularly wrong with the flow, but yeah, would love to see the chapters/concept-thing come back.
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Post by: ariich on October 23, 2011, 03:49:33 AM
I love probably more non-concept albums than concept albums, so I don't really care. The flow on the RS albums is excellent, that's all that matters to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2011, 05:22:36 AM
I was definitely a huge Johan fan, him and Daniel made a terrific team live.  Could less involvment with the music over the past two albums be a possible reason too?  But as someone said, studio has always been a DG thing.
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Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 05:55:59 AM
Additionally to seeing them open for Opeth in December, they announced that they'll be coming back here in March again, and I'll get tickets for that asap.
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Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2011, 06:24:53 AM
I was definitely a huge Johan fan, him and Daniel made a terrific team live.  Could less involvment with the music over the past two albums be a possible reason too?  But as someone said, studio has always been a DG thing.

Indirectly, definitely. And I'd expect the same reason is true for everyone.

Some will say, "but Daniel's always done everything!" While that's true, there's something else to consider: people will stick with things if they're emotionally involved in them, even if it means making some tough choices. When PoS started out, the guys didn't have families. So even if DG was running the show then, the members weren't required to make many tough choices between their professional and domestic life. Their roles in the band might not have been ideal, but they still were probably the best thing each guy had going for him. Fast-foward to a couple years later, when most of the members in PoS are married guys with families. Suddenly, there's a choice to be made: stay with the band at the expense of spending a couple months per year away from home, your family, and regular means of employment? Or split with the band to stay home, and work on some other music projects on the side?

That decision is a lot easier to make when the "job" is just a gig which you are not involved with on an emotional level and make no significant contribution to. I expect, unfortunately, that's how its been with pretty much every PoS member, which is why all of them seem more than willing to leave as soon as they have something else worthwhile going on in their lives.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 23, 2011, 06:54:55 AM
I was definitely a huge Johan fan, him and Daniel made a terrific team live.  Could less involvment with the music over the past two albums be a possible reason too?  But as someone said, studio has always been a DG thing.

Do we actually have any reason to believe that the two recent albums were any different as far as involvement from the ones before them?  The Road Salt albums gave us a description of the roles in the studio, and it was very obvious then that Daniel was behind most of what went in to the album.  Just because it wasn't all listed there in the previous records didn't mean that there has been any sort of change in the way Daniel chooses to run things in recording. 

Also, @PC, why in the hell would the fact that Johan's recording/writing role has been small affect whether or not he is emotionally involved?  I think it's possible to be emotionally involved in someone else's music, I've seen it done before.  So in the one recording that is made on the studio he doesn't get to contribute much, but he has dozens of performances to play it his own way.  Seems okay enough to me. 

I just think you'd be jumping to conclusions in trying to relate Johan's departure to anything more than the reasons given.  (Kid, wife, etc.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2011, 07:04:16 AM
Hmm, what I'm trying to get at is, if Johan had been that involved to begin with, it'd probably be much harder for him to choose between wife/kid and band. He'd probably make compromises and get both to work, as plenty of musicians do as this is something which is fairly common for members of the profession. The fact that he's never been that involved makes it easier for him to walk away completely, rather than try and reconcile the conflict between band/family somehow.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2011, 02:59:53 PM
I really get what PC is saying, and CC, you are totally right that we are not sure how much involvement the rest of the members have had on previous cd's, but when you look at it, RS was more stripped back, lack of guitar melodies and solos, so if you were Johan, there is not much there to grasp onto, especially when looking at the content of older albums music wise.
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Post by: faemir on October 23, 2011, 06:02:08 PM
Suddenly, there's a choice to be made: stay with the band at the expense of spending a couple months per year away from home, your family, and regular means of employment? Or split with the band to stay home, and work on some other music projects on the side?

A couple of months a year? If a band does a worldwide tour, surely it's far, far more than just two months.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2011, 07:52:10 PM
A couple of months a year? If a band does a worldwide tour, surely it's far, far more than just two months.

Not necessarily. Most "world tours" today only consist of dates in Europe and North America. A month in each place sounds about right...? I can't see PoS playing Asia or South America, tbh.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on October 23, 2011, 07:59:04 PM
Well didn't they just play Australia too?

So when I hear these bands talking about a year nonstop of touring.. what do they mean?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 23, 2011, 08:07:13 PM
Not really sure. With DT do two legs of North America and Europe per tour, plus Asia, South America, and Australia occasionally, and they tour extensively.

If PoS wanted to do a *real* world tour, it'd probably be

Europe- 1 month
North America- 1 month

South America- 2 weeks
Australia- 2 weeks
Asia- 2 weeks

I'm just going by how long it seems to take DT to do each place, so those time-slots aren't definite. And, honestly, they could easily get away with doing just NA and EU because that's what most bands do anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 23, 2011, 09:16:58 PM
Well didn't they just play Australia too?

So when I hear these bands talking about a year nonstop of touring.. what do they mean?

I didn't hear anything about an Australian tour.  I hope I didn't miss them!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on October 24, 2011, 05:00:43 AM
I thought it was pretty well-known that from The Perfect Element Part 1, Daniel has more or less done all of the writing. In a recent interview in the Sweden Rock magazine, he mentions former member Daniel Magick (or what was his name) and says he helped write Entropia and parts of One Hour, even thought he weren't on that album.

And I really see no problem with this? Not every band is like Dream Theater where every member contributes. Take a look at Opeth for example - Mikael Åkerfeldt more or less does everything there. And it really doesn't mean that the music itself means less for the other members.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on October 24, 2011, 05:59:27 AM
Well didn't they just play Australia too?

So when I hear these bands talking about a year nonstop of touring.. what do they mean?

I didn't hear anything about an Australian tour.  I hope I didn't miss them!  :facepalm:

They supported Dream Theater in late'09 I think. It was awesome  :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on October 24, 2011, 08:07:28 PM
Well didn't they just play Australia too?

So when I hear these bands talking about a year nonstop of touring.. what do they mean?

I didn't hear anything about an Australian tour.  I hope I didn't miss them!  :facepalm:

They supported Dream Theater in late'09 I think. It was awesome  :D

Yeah, I knew nothing about the band at that time, so I got to the venue late just as DT were starting.  I'm kicking myself now I tell you.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on October 29, 2011, 02:43:06 PM
Previews of the two Japanese bonus tracks for Road Salt Two..

"Last Night" http://cnt01.labelgate.com/morawin/top/WL001/60000038/MICP-11021/clip-MICP-11021-15.asx
"Thirty-Eight" http://cnt01.labelgate.com/morawin/top/WL001/60000038/MICP-11021/clip-MICP-11021-16.asx

Both sound very interesting. 
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Post by: faemir on October 29, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
Thirty-Eight sounds great.

edit: HOLY BEARD BATMAN

(http://www.headbanger.ru/fmst/files/data/39474.jpg)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on October 30, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
When it's ~7 minutes instrumental without vocals on an album that has vocals, then it's way too long for my taste.
It also might explain my dislike for DT's latter half in their discography, seeing as the instrumental-sections on their albums became longer and longer (to me at least).

just curious how you'd feel about scenes from a memory...considering its not only am album with vocals but a conceptual album with vocals(and a story), its kinda remarkable how they go, what, 10 or 11 minutes from the last vocal line in home to the first line in one last time

as for faemir, thorn clown is cool.

also as for faemir, i have em all except never learn to fly, of which i desire.

edit: oh, i also dont have the RS2 japanese bonus tracks. more desires.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on October 30, 2011, 07:46:42 PM
as for johan leaving the band, im not sure its completely sunk in. there was about a 40 hour span at one point last week where i totally forgot about the news.

i'm sad but not nearly as upset as my wife's been about it.

from the sounds of it, the next direction will be a continuation of the folk thats crept into their (well, HIS) music...i was kinda hoping for a return to the progressive metal of entropia.
...so i guess if theyre looking for a replacement i say... BRING BACK MAGDIK!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on October 31, 2011, 03:11:21 AM
just curious how you'd feel about scenes from a memory...considering its not only am album with vocals but a conceptual album with vocals(and a story), its kinda remarkable how they go, what, 10 or 11 minutes from the last vocal line in home to the first line in one last time


SFAM is probably my third favorite DT-album behind Awake and 6DOIT, but yeah.. as much as I enjoy it, I sorta "loose" the thread near the ending sometimes when I hear it, because of that long instrumental-part.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 31, 2011, 06:14:44 AM
When it's ~7 minutes instrumental without vocals on an album that has vocals, then it's way too long for my taste.
It also might explain my dislike for DT's latter half in their discography, seeing as the instrumental-sections on their albums became longer and longer (to me at least).

just curious how you'd feel about scenes from a memory...considering its not only am album with vocals but a conceptual album with vocals(and a story), its kinda remarkable how they go, what, 10 or 11 minutes from the last vocal line in home to the first line in one last time

as for faemir, thorn clown is cool.

also as for faemir, i have em all except never learn to fly, of which i desire.

edit: oh, i also dont have the RS2 japanese bonus tracks. more desires.

Never Learn To Fly is amazing. Or at least, interesting if you know the story behind it. (Written by an 11yo DG etc.)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on October 31, 2011, 06:55:05 PM
cool, i wasnt aware of that. we've been checking it out on youtube several times over the past couple months. it's neat.

second love was also written in his youth, wasnt it?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on November 08, 2011, 12:21:34 AM
Saw this on Pain of Salvation's Facebook:

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To that fan of POS or Opeth...
 
You'd think we'd had enough, right? RINGLESS TOILETS, OPEN WOUNDS, BROKEN TOES, SPRAINED ABDOMINAL MUSCLES, BRUISES, BEE STINGS... For those who long for tour life - we'd gladly give you a few weeks on tour. Just one advice - when they deprive you of all sanity and spirit, make sure to cling on to your legs, 'cause they're the ones you will need when you will run the hell away from it all!
 
Nah, it's never that bad (yes it is). No, really, don't worry (worry!).
 
Take the last tour we did for example, it was a dream. Seriously, we were deeply honored to have Von Hertzen Brothers open up for us. These guys tour massively in Finland, have won Grammies, and supported Neil fucking Young, and the fucking Foo Fighters for crying out loud. Now here they were, with Pain of Salvation, rocking the stage silly every night. I hope people understood the quality of the music that was given them! Anyway, wonderful musicians, wonderful guys, wonderful people to have around when the bus breaks down for the third time and you're stuck in Stara Zagora in Bulgaria for five days. And this is all hypothetical of course. No bus breaks down three times on a three week tour. Right? Right?
 
This mess made us have to cancel our second show ever. Damn, that hurt! We had such a good track record! The first ever show we cancelled was in 2005, where we didn't have any gear on location 30 minutes before the show (file under "good reason"). Ankara was cancelled because we were simply in another country, expecting to leave every day - we were all Bill Murray living in Groundhog Day for a few days, saying goodbye to the waitresses at the restaurant after every meal, then ridiculously returning again for the next meal. And the next. And the next. The heartbrokenness (that's a word!) was less and less severe with every farewell. Still, there should be a Pain of Salvation fan club in Stara Zagora by now.
 
All over Eastern Europe, despite very different size crowds from night to night, the devoted passion was the same every night. You gave so much back to us, really you did! And then there are always a number of fans who want to hear older material, but the funny thing is, they all commit to the fullest when we let them explode in Linoleum, No Way, Conditioned and To the Shoreline. And they never sing along more tearfully than in 1979. The old Pain of Salvation might have an eternal grip of their teenage cleverness, but the newer Pain of Salvation has an even tighter grip on their souls and guts. I was gonna go for balls but then I changed my mind last second. Good.
 
Now we've been home for less then two weeks, barely regrouping and catching our breaths. Come Monday and we're leaving for five more weeks with Opeth. That odd feeling in our stomachs will be even more prominent this time around, since this tour marks the farewell of both Johan and Fredrik. See, I went and dipped my toes into the serious now, but I can't dwell on it too long then I won't have any energy left for convincing ending! Anyway, Léo and I are already guessing who of us will get to be Christopher Lambert in Highlander. Léo does have the youth, energy and motivation on his side. But I have red-hot statistics holding my fort.
 
While we go out the next five weeks using this Pain of Salvation to kick the dust off any stage you'll put in front of us, another Pain of Salvation is just now starting to rise from the ashes. We are walking multiple roads here ladies and gentlemen. For these coming five weeks you will witness the third death of Pain of Salvation, and possibly get a glimpse of the beast waking up underneath its skin, soon to be unhinged. Anyway, the way I write this would be a sure sign that I am losing my sanity, but then again, I have always been writing like this. But alright, just for the record I will finish this in a more expected way:
 
We are looking forward to going out on tour with Opeth. They are truly nice people and we have a lot in common. I also think our fans have a lot in common, so who knows what can happen in the crowds around Europe this fall. I know I'm gonna be there to see it!
 
You really should be there too. You really should.
 
Wet kisses,
Daniel Gildenlöw / Pain of Salvation
 
PAIN OF SALVATION’s massive European tour with Opeth starts on November 8 and covers the following dates (look out, tickets are selling quickly  with some shows already completely sold out, so make sure to get yours soon…)
 
PAIN OF SALVATION with OPETH, European tour 2011:
 
NOVEMBER 2011
 8th – Bristol, Academy - UK
9th – Newcastle, Academy - UK
10th – Edinburgh, Picture House - UK
11th – Manchester,  Academy - UK
12th – Birmingham, Academy - UK
13th – London, Brixton Academy - UK
15th – Tilburg, 013 - THE NETHERLANDS * Sold Out!
16th – Paris, Le Bataclan - FRANCE * Sold Out!
17th – Bordeaux Merignac, Krakatoa - FRANCE
18th – Bilbao, Santana - SPAIN
19th – Madrid, Penelope - SPAIN
20th – Lisbon, Incrivel Almadense - PORTUGAL * Sold Out!
22nd – Barcelona,  Apolo - SPAIN
23rd – Montpellier, Le Rockstore - FRANCE
24th – Milan, Alcatraz - ITALY
25th – Lausanne, Les Docks - SWITZERLAND
26th – Zurich, Komplex - SWITZERLAND
27th – Munich,  Theaterfabrik - GERMANY
29th – Vienna, Gasometer - AUSTRIA
30th – Stuttgart, Longhorn LKA - GERMANY
 
DECEMBER 2011:
1st – Cologne, Essigfabrik - GERMANY * Sold Out!
2nd – Berlin, Huxleys Neue Welt - GERMANY
3rd – Hamburg, Grosse Freiheit 36 - GERMANY
4th – Göteborg, Trägarn - SWEDEN
6th – Helsinki,  Ice Hall - FINLAND
8th – Stockholm, Arena - SWEDEN
9th – Oslo, Sentrum Scene - NORWAY * Sold Out!

The thing that stood out to me:

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...since this tour marks the farewell of both Johan and Fredrik...

WHAT? Fredrik is leaving too? When did this happen? Why? Why wasn't there an announcment? WTF!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 08, 2011, 01:30:12 AM
When things are falling appart, they really do fall appart.  :-\
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Post by: TheVoxyn on November 08, 2011, 04:52:56 PM
And what makes it shittier is that I probably can't go (and I already bought a ticket...). Ah well, saw them 4 times before...
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Post by: Phoenix87x on November 08, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
So like, what's the chances of some U.S. Dates within the next year or two?

    I'm not going to get my hopes up, but maybe some day...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 08, 2011, 05:13:00 PM
Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 08, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

I totally forgot about Johan leaving  :facepalm:

   and I am just now am finding out Fredrik is leaving too? damn.

   
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 08, 2011, 06:44:51 PM
It makes me glad of the Road Salt covers, immortalised forever :)

However, this is crazy! So all that's left is the new drummer and Daniel? Jeez :(

That letter made me laugh though, Daniel is awesome.
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Post by: Plasmastrike on November 08, 2011, 07:37:51 PM
Alright, listening to RS2 for the first time.

I'm on track six, Break Darling Break. So far I've only enjoyed two tracks. Those would be Healing Now and To The Shoreline. I hope I enjoy the rest of the album!

Eleven just came on.. digging this!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 08, 2011, 07:41:35 PM
Just wait for 1979, Of Salt, The Deeper Cut, Through the Distance and Physics of Gridlock.

Then again, I don't get people's beef with Conditioned (dat riff!) or mortar grind (vocal delivery WOW).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 09, 2011, 01:05:58 PM
Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving? It seems weird that DG would just mention it off-the-cuff but not actually make an announcement.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 09, 2011, 01:46:22 PM
Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving? It seems weird that DG would just mention it off-the-cuff but not actually make an announcement.

Yeap, I thought the same, but I can't really think of anything else that could be meant by a "farewell."  Perhaps there's some bitterness about it that made Daniel refrain from issuing a formal farewell as he gave to Johan.  Or maybe Fredrik didn't want a formal goodbye to be released just yet.  Dunno.  It is weird, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 09, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
Do we know anything about Fredrik supposedly leaving?

Yeah, IT SUCKS.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on November 09, 2011, 06:00:56 PM
Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

So you already got rid of your ticket?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 09, 2011, 06:08:19 PM
This band is truly dead. Damn.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 09, 2011, 06:24:46 PM
It's hard to see where the band will go from here.  AN off the cuff comment about Fredrick like that too is very strange.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 09, 2011, 08:04:30 PM
It's hard to see where the band will go from here.  AN off the cuff comment about Fredrick like that too is very strange.

Well, if its true that art comes from adversity, perhaps there's a chance that we will eventually get something really spectacular. I'm going to try and be optimistic about the situation, but anything could happen now.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 01:38:47 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2011, 03:33:53 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

This. He's always been the creative force behind the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2011, 03:35:16 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gadough on November 10, 2011, 03:38:20 AM
I have nothing new to bring to this discussion. I just wanna make a post before Leo leaves.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 10, 2011, 03:48:17 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.

Johan wasn't an original member, but I understand what you're saying. He might as well have been
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 10, 2011, 03:49:51 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Although two more original members are leaving, this is very true.

Johan wasn't an original member, but I understand what you're saying. He might as well have been

Yeah, of course he wasn't, forgot about that there for a second, I guess he just feels like an original member to me.  He was a big, important part of the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 10, 2011, 04:30:17 AM
This band is truly dead. Damn.

As long as Daniel is still there, PoS will never die really.

Disagree. Sure, Daniel's wrote nearly everything, but being a band's primary song-writer =/= being the only necessary element in the band's identity. Daniel may have run the show in the studio for the last couple albums, but outside of that the band still had an identity and a live show. Now, nearly every long-time member aside from him is gone.  I am sure that I am not alone in feeling that this is not Pain of Salvation anymore. It is Daniel's solo project in every way possible, when it only was in some major ways before, and it kinda is disheartening to see so many fans and even Daniel himself dismissing these huge departures as if they were always just his hired guns to begin with.

Best of luck to Daniel. I'm sure he will be successful in his continuing effort to run PoS into the ground ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 10, 2011, 05:01:28 AM
Now? I don't think very high. There's just two people in the band at the moment.

So you already got rid of your ticket?
Nope. But it's a ticket for Gothenburg (living in Sweden atm) so don't think you could use it :p.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 06:17:02 AM
Well, I'll miss Johan's live vocals, which I think work very well.
I'm not sure how much I will notice that Fredrik is gone myself, seeing as I haven't seen them live (first time will be now in December), I can't really say how much will change in a live-setting.
As for how they sound on album, I hardly doubt much will change there.
Sure Johan and Fredrik would give their opinions to "form" songs, but in the end it's still Daniel Gildenlöw writing and playing a lot of things (just check the credits in Road Salt), so I hardly doubt they will change much sound-wise either.
Looking back, the directions they've taken when they've changed sound, that feels very much like "Daniel wants to do something new, so the band does something new", no offense to the others obviously. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2011, 07:12:55 AM
DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on November 10, 2011, 07:26:45 AM
DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.

I disagree about PT. That's why SW needs a solo career.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 10, 2011, 07:33:21 AM
DG is the creative force behind the band, so as long as he's there, it's still the same band. Same with PT or TDH.

I disagree about PT. That's why SW needs a solo career.
I actually agree with this. I feel like SW just adjusts his style of writing for PT, and his solo career is just another project.

Basically, it's what Mikael Akerfeldt should have done with Heritage.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2011, 07:35:06 AM
Opeth is another good example.

And I agree that SW adjusts his writing style, but he is still providing the vast majority of the creative input. The rest of the band, as great as they are, are replaceable.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 10, 2011, 07:37:55 AM
Wilson has said a few times (back in the LBS days, so I don't know if that has changed) that Richard's textures are what make Porcupine Tree great for him.

So, definitely not replaceable. One need only look at disc 2 of The Incident to see that they can contribute awesome material as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 07:38:15 AM
Opeth is another good example.

And I agree that SW adjusts his writing style, but he is still providing the vast majority of the creative input. The rest of the band, as great as they are, are replaceable.

I'm not so sure, let's say that Richard or Colin would leave the band, or both at the same time (like what is happening in PoS now), I don't see PT moving on from what.
I mean, both SW and Gavin would have other things to do, and I just don't see them taking in two new replacements and moving on, it would be more "logical" that PT would die, and SW would continue with his solo-stuff, No-Man, Blackfield and Bass Communion, and Gavin with his work.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 10, 2011, 11:54:15 AM
How do you read that at all? I fail to see why they would stop. It's not "logical" that PT would die, at all.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 10, 2011, 12:11:18 PM
Going to the Opeth show in Manchester tomorrow, but I'm much, MUCH more excited to see PoS than Opeth  :lol These guys have been switching places as my favourite band (with PT) for the last few years, and I just can't wait. I actually have a friend who's a friend of the band (he's staying in the tourbus with them at the moment), and he informs me that The Perfect Element has been planned for a few of the Opeth dates, so fingers crossed it gets dropped tomorrow!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 12:22:24 PM
How do you read that at all? I fail to see why they would stop. It's not "logical" that PT would die, at all.

To begin with, I don't feel like SW is as dependent on PT as DG is on PoS.
Not saying that it's negative, but meanwhile Daniel has mostly focused on PoS and explored what he wants to explore there, SW has explored several different styles in several projects, and I don't think people see SW as "that frontman in PT", seeing how many other things he has done as well. (no diss on Daniel really)

As much as some people on the net can argue that PT is 100% Steven Wilson, he would probably say the opposite himself, and I find it hard to believe that he would replace friends since 20 years (Colin and Richard), maybe if one left, but if both dropped out like the scenario in PoS, then half of the magic in studio would be lost.
There wouldn't be the same people to discuss ideas with, and I don't think SW would be AS into it, because after all, I think it increases the joy if you play and perform with people you really like, and have known for a while.

We also have the perspective that SW would probably do very well without PT as well. He has established himself very well as a musician, apart from the music he has made, the "collaborations"/mixing and producing, the latter part alone probably gives him some solid income.
I don't think DG has the same situation, obviously a lot of doors would open since he's an amazing musician and all of that, but he has his family at home, I don't think he does quite as well as SW financially (I'm basing this on what I've seen in documentaries and interviews and such, might have changed), add to the fact that PoS has been his money-source for the last 14-15 years, and other small factors.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 10, 2011, 03:08:40 PM
I think Steve relies on the income and popularity of Porcupine Tree a lot, something he would not want to throw away lightly. It's also his must succesful and longest-running project, as well as his "main" one. Losing members who whilst great friends, are not part of (most) of the writing I do not think would make him stop  PT, especially since as it's the continued success of PT that allows him to do things like solo albums that have far lower returns.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 10, 2011, 04:58:33 PM
Going to the Opeth show in Manchester tomorrow, but I'm much, MUCH more excited to see PoS than Opeth  :lol These guys have been switching places as my favourite band (with PT) for the last few years, and I just can't wait. I actually have a friend who's a friend of the band (he's staying in the tourbus with them at the moment), and he informs me that The Perfect Element has been planned for a few of the Opeth dates, so fingers crossed it gets dropped tomorrow!

I fucking hope so! TPE is probably my number one favourite PoS song. Although that number rotates quite a lot given their stunning discography.

I will also be in the minority supporting PoS more than Opeth, even though I love both the bands almost equally.

The fact that i've seen Opeth live before, and with their new lack of heaviness/growls, it hasn't done too much in terms of anticipation. Should be a great gig either way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
I think Steve relies on the income and popularity of Porcupine Tree a lot, something he would not want to throw away lightly. It's also his must succesful and longest-running project, as well as his "main" one. Losing members who whilst great friends, are not part of (most) of the writing I do not think would make him stop  PT, especially since as it's the continued success of PT that allows him to do things like solo albums that have far lower returns.
Pretty much this.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 11, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
Not to be picky, but No-Man was actually before PT, not by very long, but still.  :biggrin:

Honestly though, if one member left, I think that PT could very well get through it, but if both Richard and Colin left, that would be the end of PT.
Even if they continued, it would just be PT 2.0, because I think that both Colin and Richard are bigger parts of PT's sound then people give them credit for, it wasn't like when Maitland left and they managed to replace him without too much problems.

Oh well, sorta feels like we're loosing the topic, but yeah.. seeing PoS in December (together with Opeth), and I'm really looking forward to it.
Seeing a few setlists from the last shows, and while I don't like those in particularly (I think it's a bit too much Scarsick and Road Salt-songs), I feel like it was sorta expected, but I will probably enjoy it never the less.
Hopefully they change things up a bit before the show as well. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 11, 2011, 06:29:50 PM
OMGOMGOMGOMG

just got back from the PoS/Opeth show, it was fucking awesome. Enjoyed PoS SO MUCH MORE than Opeth, but that might have been because during Opeth, a 6'6", 20 stone Mexican guy stood infront of me, filmed and took pictures, and flicked his hair in my face. But that's a different (and boring) story.

After seeing the setlist that PoS had been playing for the last few night in the UK
(http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2011/academy-newcastle-upon-tyne-england-63d18ea7.html), I didn't have amazing expectations, but then this happened:

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pain-of-salvation/2011/manchester-academy-manchester-england-5bd18780.html

I nearly cried.
Kidding.

Not really.

Got a copy of the setlist after the show too  :metal

http://imgur.com/Ji5Xt

Also, for you UK guys, apparently they're coming back in February (maybe then, not sure) for a full headline tour!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 11, 2011, 06:32:11 PM
Wow, that's awesome!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 11, 2011, 06:37:51 PM
Yeah PoS were far better than Opeth, that's for sure.

I love Opeth but Mikael needed to play some fucking metal. The fans were dying for it.

I won't be seeing them again until they do. I'd have rather listened to PoS for 2 hours instead.

Good gig though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2011, 02:20:21 AM
>Opeth "needs" to play metal
>Pain of Salvation didn't

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2011, 03:25:48 AM
>Opeth "needs" to play metal
>Pain of Salvation didn't

 :biggrin:
Yeah exactly. :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 12, 2011, 06:19:08 AM
>Opeth "needs" to play metal
>Pain of Salvation didn't

 :biggrin:

I don't really know what you're getting at with this.

Half, if not more of Opeth's entire discography is heavy/progressive metal. PoS's isn't. They're not a metal band. Not really.

Many fans last night felt a bit disappointed, myself included. I enjoyed the gig don't get me wrong, Opeth always put on a good show, but the whole venue was ready to hear some loud, bone-crushing metal. Growls or no, the song selection they chose was quite boring. They played some acoustic stuff in the middle and that was boring as well. As for Axe's drum solo, that too was pretty generic and pointless.

Mike spent too much time talking about KISS as well, which I didn't find funny. And lots of fans were going outside or heading to the bar during their songs. I can't say i've seen that too often.

The 2nd half of the gig was better, but still, the fans were expecting more. Me and my friend both left the venue feeling cheated, in a way. Simply put, Opeth were capable of so much more last night, and they only partly delivered, IMO.

PoS gave their all, at least. I was happy to hear TPE. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2011, 07:00:05 AM
I didn't mean anything negative, as The Outlaw Xanadu (?) said in the Opeth-thread, I think that a lot of people focus too much on what we aren't getting from Opeth this tour, then to focus on what we actually are getting.
I look at it like this, Opeth has been a band for about 20 years now, this is the first time they do something completely mellow (even at the Damnation-tour they played heavy stuff), so I think people should appreciate the uniqueness of it.
It's not just "another" Opeth-tour, it's something special, and something I don't think they will do again anytime soon. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2011, 07:20:24 AM
>Opeth "needs" to play metal
>Pain of Salvation didn't

 :biggrin:

I don't really know what you're getting at with this.

Half, if not more of Opeth's entire discography is heavy/progressive metal. PoS's isn't. They're not a metal band. Not really.

Many fans last night felt a bit disappointed, myself included. I enjoyed the gig don't get me wrong, Opeth always put on a good show, but the whole venue was ready to hear some loud, bone-crushing metal. Growls or no, the song selection they chose was quite boring. They played some acoustic stuff in the middle and that was boring as well. As for Axe's drum solo, that too was pretty generic and pointless.

Mike spent too much time talking about KISS as well, which I didn't find funny. And lots of fans were going outside or heading to the bar during their songs. I can't say i've seen that too often.

The 2nd half of the gig was better, but still, the fans were expecting more. Me and my friend both left the venue feeling cheated, in a way. Simply put, Opeth were capable of so much more last night, and they only partly delivered, IMO.

PoS gave their all, at least. I was happy to hear TPE. 
Opeth have been doing the same thing for years, I personally am very excited that they are doing something different this time around, and I know there are lots of others who feel the same way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 12, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
I didn't mean anything negative, as The Outlaw Xanadu (?) said in the Opeth-thread, I think that a lot of people focus too much on what we aren't getting from Opeth this tour, then to focus on what we actually are getting.
I look at it like this, Opeth has been a band for about 20 years now, this is the first time they do something completely mellow (even at the Damnation-tour they played heavy stuff), so I think people should appreciate the uniqueness of it.
It's not just "another" Opeth-tour, it's something special, and something I don't think they will do again anytime soon. :P

I get where you're coming from, but the general consensus last night was that the gig would have been even more 'special' with a song like Blackwater Park, as to Folklore.

Heritage is a good album but to see most of it as live isn't what i'd consider Opeth to be about. It's not all about growls either, their song selection was very limited, IMO.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2011, 08:53:35 AM
I don't know, as I've said earlier in the Opeth-thread, the Heritage-tour means that it's logical with mostly Heritage songs, I can't complain about the rest, because they are all songs I love, and want to see live.

As for the way they've chosen to "present" this tour (no growl-songs), I still think people should see the good things in it, and not the bad.
A good example could be the 12:5 album by PoS, instead of criticizing it for being acoustic, not metal (or anything like that), it should be viewed on as being one of the more unique albums in their discography, and the fact that it has some magic that people will probably never see or hear again. :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 12, 2011, 03:42:30 PM
I don't know, as I've said earlier in the Opeth-thread, the Heritage-tour means that it's logical with mostly Heritage songs, I can't complain about the rest, because they are all songs I love, and want to see live.

As for the way they've chosen to "present" this tour (no growl-songs), I still think people should see the good things in it, and not the bad.
A good example could be the 12:5 album by PoS, instead of criticizing it for being acoustic, not metal (or anything like that), it should be viewed on as being one of the more unique albums in their discography, and the fact that it has some magic that people will probably never see or hear again. :)

You're right but PoS don't do growls. Opeth do, and in a large portion of their work.

Opeth are heavy. Just not all the time. I would rather they don't limit what they do. As long as it's just for this tour then that's okay.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Jirpo on November 12, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
I agree with both of you, but like Zantera I'm happy that they are doing this kind of "unique" tour. It will be special to see. I just hope they go back to playing their old stuff on later tours.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 12, 2011, 07:33:52 PM
Guys, I don't think Opeth's new style is a one-off thing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Jirpo on November 12, 2011, 07:44:35 PM
I'm not talking about their new "style", I just mean when they are touring. I'm not talking about their next albums at all here :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 12, 2011, 07:48:31 PM
Guys, I don't think Opeth's new style is a one-off thing.

Why is that?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 13, 2011, 03:09:21 AM
Guys, I don't think Opeth's new style is a one-off thing.

Why is that?

I wonder the same, especially when Mikael himself said that they will be going back to the older mode for future tours.
As for how their next couple of albums will sound, it's hard to say, but I find it hard to believe that they will never use growls on their albums again, especially if they are going to keep some growl-songs in the set.
But it will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Jirpo on November 13, 2011, 03:26:40 AM
Lets take this discussion to the Opeth thread guys :).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 13, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Am I bad person for listening to Scarsick more than Remedy Lane?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 13, 2011, 11:31:02 AM
Am I bad person for listening to Scarsick more than Remedy Lane?

Nope. I actually think Scarsick is more consistent than RL, and I actually understand the concept, which is something I DEFINITELY can't say for RL. I mean, all I know about that album is that there is some sex. Quite a bit, actually.

I think RL starts to drag around Rope Ends. I don't really like that run of tracks from Rope Ends to Second Love, although Waking Every God is great.

..in conclusion, NO
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nel on November 13, 2011, 05:34:37 PM
I mean, all I know about that album is that there is some sex. Quite a bit, actually.

Um... isn't that every PoS album?  :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 12:45:49 AM
I mean, all I know about that album is that there is some sex. Quite a bit, actually.

Um... isn't that every PoS album?  :P

There is no way that you can FAACCCKKKKK HER like i can
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 14, 2011, 02:14:58 AM
Scarsick still really hasn't clicked for me, so I probably rank it the lowest out of the PoS albums.
I do love some of the songs (Flame to the Moth, title-track and America), but the other songs range from decent to okay, one of my 'bigger' problems would be the lyrics, where I feel like some songs like Kingdom of Loss and Cribcaged have some good music going on, but is being let down by what I think are 'bad' lyrics. :/
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on November 14, 2011, 02:22:53 AM
I have been listening to road salt 2 for the last week and wanted to contribute the following:

- Very decent effort overall, probably better than road salt 1 but no individual track is nearly as good as sisters.
- The physics of gridlock is great until the french part at the end. One of the biggest WTF moments in their career.
- The deepest cut and to the shoreline are the best tracks though healing now is also excellent

Overall 3.5/5.

I like the album quite a bit but the jaw droppingly amazing moments aren't there and have been scarce since scarsick.

@Pettruci07 - Remedy lane is a stunning album. There are so many more layers to it than scarsick. It is worth reading up on the concept as well, I believe Daniel draws on a lot of personal experiences e.g. A trace of blood is about his wife miscarrying and rope ends is about a friend trying to hang themselves.

From what I understand the concept is about a couple who got together young and grew apart after a harrowing ordeal (the miscarriage) and when the woman tries to hang herself he saves her but realises they need to be apart.

He leaves for Budapest and attempts to fulfill himself with sex but realises this isn't what he wants.

I would have to revisit the lyrics to provide a better explanation of the concept but i remember the thrust of it I think  :lol

The songs are also out of chronological order which makes it more fun to piece together.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 14, 2011, 02:24:05 AM
Am I bad person for listening to Scarsick more than Remedy Lane?

Absolutely not.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 05:19:56 AM
@Petrucci07 - Remedy lane is a stunning album. There are so many more layers to it than scarsick. It is worth reading up on the concept as well, I believe Daniel draws on a lot of personal experiences e.g. A trace of blood is about his wife miscarrying and rope ends is about a friend trying to hang themselves.

From what I understand the concept is about a couple who got together young and grew apart after a harrowing ordeal (the miscarriage) and when the woman tries to hang herself he saves her but realises they need to be apart.

He leaves for Budapest and attempts to fulfill himself with sex but realises this isn't what he wants.

I would have to revisit the lyrics to provide a better explanation of the concept but i remember the thrust of it I think  :lol

The songs are also out of chronological order which makes it more fun to piece together.

Thanks for info on the concept, that clears some stuff up! You're probably right about the 'layers' thing, but I just think Scarsick is more consistent, because I simply don't like the music from Rope Ends to Second Love nearly as much as the other tracks.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 14, 2011, 11:10:57 AM
I never considered Remedy Lane much of a concept album. Yeah, the songs can be bound together by the idea that they're all about relationships in some way, but I feel like half of it has to do with teen love, and the other half just whatever was on Daniel's mind at the time.

It's pretty dramatically convenient that the album is technically a bunch of "flashbacks". I don't see how something like A Trace of Blood relates to something like Rope Ends though. It's a bit too disjointed for me to consider it as a conceptual piece.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: contest_sanity on November 14, 2011, 12:12:50 PM
I never considered Remedy Lane much of a concept album. Yeah, the songs can be bound together by the idea that they're all about relationships in some way, but I feel like half of it has to do with teen love, and the other half just whatever was on Daniel's mind at the time.

It's pretty dramatically convenient that the album is technically a bunch of "flashbacks". I don't see how something like A Trace of Blood relates to something like Rope Ends though. It's a bit too disjointed for me to consider it as a conceptual piece.

I somewhat agree with this.  I tried to say it once before here, though, and everyone was all "boo, hiss, lol."  I do think it's pressing a bit too far to argue, for instance, that the girl who commits suicide in "Rope Ends" is the same girl from Budapest or however you wanna spin it.  I mean, maybe that is what Daniel intended, but in the explanation here (http://painofsslvation.com/lyrics/RemedyLane-Analysis.rhtml (http://painofsslvation.com/lyrics/RemedyLane-Analysis.rhtml)) it seems like tracks such as "Rope Ends" and "A Trace Of Blood" are really just autobiographical, without literally fitting into the story, except for at the possible level of shared themes.  Not saying that there is no story because obviously there is a narrative present; it's just that every track is not actually part of the narrative.  A bit unusual for a so-called "concept" album, but also in a way very unique.  Either way, it's still my favorite PoS record.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on November 14, 2011, 01:20:11 PM
i always thought the Rememdy Lane concept was one of the easier stories to follow outta his discography. Beseems a little more along the lines of: "the songs can be bound together by the idea that they're all about God in some way"
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 14, 2011, 02:10:30 PM
i always thought the Rememdy Lane concept was one of the easier stories to follow outta his discography. Beseems a little more along the lines of: "the songs can be bound together by the idea that they're all about God in some way"

I think the opposite.  Remedy Lane's songs all tie into sex and addictions and pain and other related things, but it doesn't seem to follow a specific story.  (You have relationship songs and suicide songs and songs about miscarriages)  BE, however, definitely follows a specific narrative.  Not the easiest to comprehend on your first time through, but it's the only album of theirs that really seems to outline a full story. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 14, 2011, 04:28:01 PM
I concur with Seth.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
I actually think that "BE" has one of the most concrete concept in terms of narrative.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 14, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
I concur with Seth.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on November 14, 2011, 07:38:38 PM
well shit, shows how little i know.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Parama on November 15, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
track-by-track:

Road Salt Theme: no it's not

Softly She Cries: great opener,  solid song but replaying that entire "road salt theme" about 4 minutes into the album kinda defeats the purpose...

Conditioned: fun song, though the upbeat nature seems rather out of place on this album... excusable since it's so early I guess

Healing Now: oh yes, I love this song.

To The Shoreline: Why wasn't there anything this awesome on RS1?

Eleven: I dunno, every time I'm listening to this song I dig it but I always remember it as being kinda meh... it's a good song, though

1979: Yeah this is pretty great too... this is much better than RS1 for sure

The Deeper Cut: Probably in my top 10 PoS songs... well, maybe not, but it comes close. Definitely best on the album.

Mortar Grind: This sounds kinda like Eleven, except not as good... wasn't this one written first, too? Still not bad though.

Through The Distance: Not as strong as 1979 but it's still a great softer piece

The Physics of Gridlock: This WOULD be the best song... except the French part feels like dragging it out too long, and it's anticlimactic as well. But the first two sections are AMAZING.

End Credits: I like this one a lot more than the Road Salt Theme because, well, it's a proper medley, while that one is most certainly not... ending with the theme again though is probably the worst thing they could've done.

Solid album, doesn't compare to BE and earlier at all but it's better than RS1 and Scarsick.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: shadowfex on November 16, 2011, 01:24:34 AM
I just had to double check your post because it is so close to my feelings I thought I must have written it  :lol.

Agreed on pretty much everything. Ending on the starting theme does annoy me because I have the album on in the car and then I hear the exact same thing twice when the cd starts again and then the melody is there again in the next song.

Also agreed Eleven and Mortar Grind are certainly the weak points yet I enjoy them ok when I listen to them? The french part in The Physics of Gridlock I already spoke about but that is easily the worst part of the album. The track is great otherwise.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 16, 2011, 02:55:38 AM
End Credits: I like this one a lot more than the Road Salt Theme because, well, it's a proper medley, while that one is most certainly not... ending with the theme again though is probably the worst thing they could've done.

Just a bit curious, could you explain why you think so?
Personally I think it's quite nice, leaves a feeling that the 'journey' is pretty much over, that it finishes where it started, sorta like a long trip, and then coming home. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 16, 2011, 05:54:01 AM
The only silly thing is, the theme doesn't show up anywhere in RS1. It makes RS2 feel like it's own piece, and not the second part of the original. Granted, What She Means to Me is a brilliant opener, so I don't think I'd switch it around, but it was a weird decision on Daniel's part.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 16, 2011, 06:36:58 AM
The french part is fine. The Theme songs are pointless, and as Ulti says, it's not on RS1.

What She Means to Me is far better anyway.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: indalo on November 16, 2011, 07:47:23 AM
I will see them in three days  :D But is very sad they will only play 30 minutes  :-[ They'll have not much time so no great covers... :(

I think RSPT is a great album. Loved it the first time I heard it and still loving it. Amazing  :o

And I'll say the same I said in the Opeth thread: What about the merchandising? Very expensive? Tour shirts?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Nick on November 16, 2011, 10:32:04 AM
I like the way Daniel handles this on facebook, in reference to looking for a new guitarist:

"Alessandro Cammarota You should change the name of the band in "Daniel Gildenlow's Project"... it would be more appropriate.. :)"

"Daniel Gildenlöw ‎@ Alessandro: sure, but I guess I should have done it back in 1991 already."
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on November 16, 2011, 08:21:46 PM
i'm surprised how poorly Eleven seems to rate amongst the folks in this thread...aside from being awesome the whole way through, i'd point out that, besides Conditioned, it's probably the most upbeat track on there (musically and melodically, if not lyrically), not to mention the only song where they kinda "go off" on a fun jam (only real instrumental section on the album sans the bookends).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 17, 2011, 03:15:37 AM
I like the way Daniel handles this on facebook, in reference to looking for a new guitarist:

"Alessandro Cammarota You should change the name of the band in "Daniel Gildenlow's Project"... it would be more appropriate.. :)"

"Daniel Gildenlöw ‎@ Alessandro: sure, but I guess I should have done it back in 1991 already."

Holy shit. Daniel has really become one self-absorbed and arrogant dude. Kinda sad to see how he's transformed since I got into the band.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 17, 2011, 05:20:24 AM
You're getting that NOW?  :lol
I thought it was quite clear that he was a bit of a douche since ages ago, but apparently not... he definitely falls under the 'pretentious'-category.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to meet him and he's probably nice too, but he has the highest thoughts of himself. :P
 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 17, 2011, 05:32:52 AM
You're getting that NOW?  :lol
I thought it was quite clear that he was a bit of a douche since ages ago, but apparently not... he definitely falls under the 'pretentious'-category.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to meet him and he's probably nice too, but he has the highest thoughts of himself. :P

Why is he pretentious? He's probably being himself, at all times.

He has a high opinion of himself, so what? I have a high opinion of the music he makes.

He probably wouldn't be the same musician otherwise.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 17, 2011, 05:36:44 AM
I like the way Daniel handles this on facebook, in reference to looking for a new guitarist:

"Alessandro Cammarota You should change the name of the band in "Daniel Gildenlow's Project"... it would be more appropriate.. :)"

"Daniel Gildenlöw ‎@ Alessandro: sure, but I guess I should have done it back in 1991 already."

Holy shit. Daniel has really become one self-absorbed and arrogant dude. Kinda sad to see how he's transformed since I got into the band.

He's said some other questionably arrogant things, but I really don't get what's so horrible about the way he put it here.  Pain of Salvation has always more or less been the Daniel Gildenlow project, and he's just making the point that things haven't really changed at all in that regard.  Not too terribly arrogant, I don't think. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 17, 2011, 05:43:42 AM
I'd say he's pretentious because the music he makes himself is the best, and nothing else comes close.
Maybe he has become more "normal" now, or had a change in personality, but when I read old interviews, he just comes off as a very cocky and arrogant musician.

I specifically recall an interview where he talks about One Hour... being his least favorite PoS-album, but proceeds to say "but it's still more original then most of the music out there".
Maybe he's right, but coming from the artist himself, that just sounds rather arrogant.
It's not the only example of him praising his own music and bashing a lot of other things either, he said something about Progressive-music, and he said that he stopped listening to Progressive Metal/Rock back when Awake was released, because everything since has sounded the same.
Guess what, PoS is also a part of that scene, so then he probably thinks that they haven't changed either?  ;)

And yeah, you might have a point that we PoS-fans do hold their music very high, but that still doesn't change the fact that he's rather arrogant about it. :P
A lot of artists has confidence, we have the classic "our new album is awesome"-scenario, but to bash so much else in music, and praise your own music so much, especially seeing as PoS barely goes around economically, would have been another scenario if they were the biggest band in the world and had tons of cash, but despite being so much better then everything, they're still smaller then a band like Opeth (who they are opening for this tour), despite Daniel Gildenlöw pretty much looking down on them.  :biggrin:

Also, this isn't meant as a bash-post, I still really like Daniel, but he's quite... special.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 17, 2011, 06:43:25 AM
I don't want to comment on Daniel personally, because in fact, I rather find his humor and ways of expressing himself quite refreshing (although he's no Mikael Akerfeld in that regard).

What I grew pretty tired of though, especially in the periode of 'BE' was the totally overblown hyping the 'concept'. The 'dig deeper and you'll find more treasures' that were displayed in artwork and especially on the website, promising 'all kinds of info to come'. Well, for starters, you couldn't even become a member of the website because they wouldn't even accept new members for over 6 months after the fact. Yes, the audiocommentary to that dvd was funny, the performance is greeat and the extra's ....ok, I guess. But don't act like it's the 'bees knees' and golden fountain of knowledge or something. Especially when you can't even participate in all the fun. Yes, it was a clever concept and there are awesome songs on there, but why not just stick to making very good music and leaving out all the hype stuff?

I loved Remedy Lane when it came out and played it to death, marvelous cd, the same goes for the other three first cd's.
But after that things went pretty much downhill, with Scarsick barely rating a A- in my book.

I still don't know what to think of Road salt, which also came with 'interesting' artwork. Well, the covers looked good and there were some great pics,
but other than that: where's the unity of the 'concept'? Or do we just have to 'use our imagination' ? A drinking party at a bonfire with singalong, a couple being buried in the dirt and a couple making out in front of a window.....gee. Conceptual continuity, eat your heart out!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: NecessaryPain on November 17, 2011, 11:09:39 AM
Honesty, he's never once bothered me with his comments.

I know prog is full of these down-to-earth, humble musicians, and DG might seem different or more out-spoken, but how is that being pretentious? He believes in himself and his music. At the end of the day, he's just a man with an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I listen to his music and I either enjoy what I hear, or I don't. It would take far more than having a strong opinion or being pompous, to put me off a good musician.

I'm sure if everyone here was famous, and thousands of fans could track your every facebook update or forum post, you, yourself, would come across as a bit of an arsehole. There's plenty floating about on the internet. Take your pick.

Unless you know the man personally, I don't see how you can judge him. Same goes for anyone else.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on November 17, 2011, 11:14:26 AM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: petrucci07 on November 17, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
I don't want to comment on Daniel personally, because in fact, I rather find his humor and ways of expressing himself What I grew pretty tired of though, especially in the periode of 'BE' was the totally overblown hyping the 'concept'. The 'dig deeper and you'll find more treasures' that were displayed in artwork and especially on the website, promising 'all kinds of info to come'. Well, for starters, you couldn't even become a member of the website because they wouldn't even accept new members for over 6 months after the fact. Yes, the audiocommentary to that dvd was funny, the performance is greeat and the extra's ....ok, I guess. But don't act like it's the 'bees knees' and golden fountain of knowledge or something. Especially when you can't even participate in all the fun. Yes, it was a clever concept and there are awesome songs on there, but why not just stick to making very good music and leaving out all the hype stuff?

TL;DR: I DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT

I still don't know what to think of Road salt, which also came with 'interesting' artwork. Well, the covers looked good and there were some great pics,
but other than that: where's the unity of the 'concept'? Or do we just have to 'use our imagination' ? A drinking party at a bonfire with singalong, a couple being buried in the dirt and a couple making out in front of a window.....gee. Conceptual continuity, eat your heart out!

TL;DR: WHERE'S THE CONCEPT
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 17, 2011, 02:38:07 PM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.

It's not a case of being exotic - he specifically chose french because of how it naturally lends itself.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on November 17, 2011, 03:07:17 PM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.

It's not a case of being exotic - he specifically chose french because of how it naturally lends itself.

It sounds weird either way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: pain of occupation on November 17, 2011, 03:10:48 PM
i'm surprised how poorly Eleven seems to rate amongst the folks in this thread...aside from being awesome the whole way through, i'd point out that, besides Conditioned, it's probably the most upbeat track on there (musically and melodically, if not lyrically), not to mention the only song where they kinda "go off" on a fun jam (only real instrumental section on the album sans the bookends).

ya, pain of occupation, you hit the nail on the head.

...i loved this song right from the get-go. i just wish there was a bit more instru-jam on the two road salt albums.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: faemir on November 17, 2011, 03:37:21 PM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.

It's not a case of being exotic - he specifically chose french because of how it naturally lends itself.

It sounds weird either way.

Care to elaborate? sounds fine to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Gorille85 on November 17, 2011, 03:49:42 PM
After one listen of the new album I don't really know what to think... I'll need to listen to it again. The ending part in french might sounds exotic if you don't speak french but he sounds a bit goofy there for me.

It's not a case of being exotic - he specifically chose french because of how it naturally lends itself.

It sounds weird either way.

Care to elaborate? sounds fine to me.

Maybe it's just because I speak french, but to me it sound forced and his tone is far from natural. I've only listened to it once though so maybe I'll get used to it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: TheVoxyn on November 17, 2011, 03:59:15 PM
For a non-native french speaker I thought it was pretty good. Still seems a bit forced indeed, but I really like it :).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 18, 2011, 01:20:01 AM
Well, what I can say about the music on Road salt 2 is that it's definitely more coherent and more balanced than the first Road salt.
What I really liked about RS 1 was the upbeat, almost joyous sounds of the first 2 songs.  On 2 there's some of that, but it's a lot more diverse.

It's not that the music is BAD, it's just that I think I'm having a lot more trouble converting to the new musical direction then I thought I would.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2011, 01:34:34 AM
I'm not quite sure what to think of the french-part.

I see it like this: I really like the part itself, but it feels sorta random, sorta like Daniel thinking: "hey, let's take the arguably best song on the new album, and then put in a weird section that some people will hate", don't get me wrong because as I said, I do like the part myself, but French? :P
He could have done the part in English and it would have been just as good.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 18, 2011, 03:57:54 AM
So, everyone thinks the French part is weird, but no one worries about the 'Western' part?  'kaaaay... :corn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 18, 2011, 05:46:21 AM
I'm not quite sure what to think of the french-part.

I see it like this: I really like the part itself, but it feels sorta random, sorta like Daniel thinking: "hey, let's take the arguably best song on the new album, and then put in a weird section that some people will hate", don't get me wrong because as I said, I do like the part myself, but French? :P
He could have done the part in English and it would have been just as good.

I think the fact that it is in French gives it a sort of elegance that it wouldn't have in English.  (That might only be because I really like the French language, of course)  However, I can see how it would be a bit more awkward to a native French speaker, especially if the pronunciation is off. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2011, 06:21:10 AM
I like French myself, but seeing as the band has no connection to France whatsoever, that makes it a bit weird.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 18, 2011, 06:28:41 AM
After this tour is over, half of the band will be French.   :P  But I see your point. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation thread, v.2 (merged)
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2011, 06:47:43 AM