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Title: Who wins?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on August 20, 2010, 08:31:28 PM
OH FUCK WHO WINS?!!

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Post by: glaurung on August 20, 2010, 08:32:27 PM
Gandalf is the best them.
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Post by: LCArenas on August 20, 2010, 08:32:41 PM
Gandalf all up in this bitch
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Post by: Arcaeus on August 20, 2010, 08:34:56 PM
Gandalf was a fucking Istari who just laughed off being killed by a balrog, Dumbledore got killed by a ring.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on August 20, 2010, 08:35:40 PM
Gandalf was a fucking Istari who just laughed off being killed by a balrog, Dumbledore got killed by a ring.

No he was killed by Snape

By his own free will
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Post by: Gorille85 on August 20, 2010, 08:35:54 PM
Gandalf is the best them.
Pretty much this.
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Post by: ScioPath on August 20, 2010, 08:36:07 PM
Gandalf FTW
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Post by: Arcaeus on August 20, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
Gandalf was a fucking Istari who just laughed off being killed by a balrog, Dumbledore got killed by a ring.

No he was killed by Snape

By his own free will

Yeah, and he asked Snape to kill him because the ring would have killed him eventually anyway.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on August 20, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
Gandalf was a fucking Istari who just laughed off being killed by a balrog, Dumbledore got killed by a ring.

No he was killed by Snape

By his own free will

snippity

Harry still hasn't read Deathly Hallows yet  :-\
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Arcaeus on August 20, 2010, 08:37:14 PM
Lowered the size of my post
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Post by: splent on August 20, 2010, 08:37:23 PM
I voted Dumbledore, but you know it could go either way.  Seriously the battle would be epic.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 20, 2010, 08:41:19 PM
ALWAYS BET ON BLACK!

No wait...
Title: Re: That ring crack was the tits, though
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 20, 2010, 08:47:42 PM
As much as I enjoy Harry Potter, Gandalf is a bigger badass.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 20, 2010, 09:00:23 PM
I voted Dumbledore, but you know it could go either way.  Seriously the battle would be epic.
No it wouldn't.  Gandalf wipes his ass with Dumbledore.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: pogoowner on August 20, 2010, 09:01:32 PM
Gandalf > Dumbledore.

LOTR > Harry Potter.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2010, 09:01:54 PM
The hell kind of a name is bumblewhore?
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Gadough on August 20, 2010, 09:26:16 PM
I chose Dumbledore.

Think about it.

J.K. Rowling revealed that Dumbledore was a homosexual.

Gandalf attacks Dumbledore, and what do you think would happen as a result?

He'd get arrested and/or sued for committing a hate crime.

Thus, he wouldn't dare lay a finger on Dumbledore, giving Dumbledore the opportunity to open up a can of homosexual whupass.

Dumbledore wins.
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Post by: zxlkho on August 20, 2010, 09:26:52 PM
wat
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Post by: Adami on August 20, 2010, 09:27:44 PM
I chose Dumbledore.

Think about it.

J.K. Rowling revealed that Dumbledore was a homosexual.

Gandalf attacks Dumbledore, and what do you think would happen as a result?

He'd get arrested and/or sued for committing a hate crime.

Thus, he wouldn't dare lay a finger on Dumbledore, giving Dumbledore the opportunity to open up a can of homosexual whupass.

Dumbledore wins.

Damn you're right. If only Ian Mckellin were gay too.

Damnit.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Gadough on August 20, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
wat

SHUT UP IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE
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Post by: TioJorge on August 20, 2010, 09:30:16 PM
Gambledorf


Ganondorf


Gandalf, you fools.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: splent on August 20, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
I chose Dumbledore.

Think about it.

J.K. Rowling revealed that Dumbledore was a homosexual.

Gandalf attacks Dumbledore, and what do you think would happen as a result?

He'd get arrested and/or sued for committing a hate crime.

Thus, he wouldn't dare lay a finger on Dumbledore, giving Dumbledore the opportunity to open up a can of homosexual whupass.

Dumbledore wins.

But Ian McKellen is gay...

Maybe Gandalf and Dumbledore had a fling back in the day.
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Post by: Gadough on August 20, 2010, 09:48:05 PM
:eyebrows:
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Post by: lonestar on August 20, 2010, 10:07:52 PM
Gandalf would destroy whatshisname, and kill a six pack in the process.
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Post by: axeman90210 on August 20, 2010, 10:14:35 PM
DUMBLEDORE SHALL NOT PASS
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Post by: Genowyn on August 20, 2010, 10:16:54 PM
Demi-god...mortal...demi-god...mortal...shit, this is a real tossup.
Title: Re: Here thar be logic, somewhere
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 20, 2010, 10:20:29 PM
I chose Dumbledore.

Think about it.

J.K. Rowling revealed that Dumbledore was a homosexual.

Gandalf attacks Dumbledore, and what do you think would happen as a result?

He'd get arrested and/or sued for committing a hate crime.

Thus, he wouldn't dare lay a finger on Dumbledore, giving Dumbledore the opportunity to open up a can of homosexual whupass.

Dumbledore wins.

But Ian McKellen is gay...

Maybe Gandalf and Dumbledore had a fling back in the day.

Has the role of Grindelwald been cast for the 7th Harry Potter film yet? I think my head would 'splode.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on August 20, 2010, 10:24:44 PM
Gandalf is a freaking demi-god of sort from what I know, and how can you compare him to this old professor? Not even worth comparing.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Volk9 on August 20, 2010, 10:29:44 PM
Gandalf FTW
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Post by: Gadough on August 21, 2010, 04:27:39 AM
For the record, I had no idea the guy who played Gandalf is gay. However, my point remains valid, because we're talking about the CHARACTERS here, not the actors who play them. The character of Dumbledore is gay, and as far as I know Gandalf is straight. So my logic still makes sense...sort of. The fact that one of the actors is actually gay IRL is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ariich on August 21, 2010, 04:32:28 AM
Gandalf > Dumbledore.

LOTR > Harry Potter.
That's all that needs to be said really.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 21, 2010, 04:47:47 AM
LOTR <<<<<<<<<<<<< Harry Potter


Either way, I didn't vote. They're both awesome characters.
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on August 21, 2010, 04:51:35 AM
Thanks for the spoilers guys.
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Post by: Sigz on August 21, 2010, 04:52:30 AM
Ouch.
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Post by: Bombardana on August 21, 2010, 04:59:14 AM
Dumbledore is more powerful than Gandalf... did you see that duel at the end of Order of the Phoenix? Gandalf can't compete.
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Post by: bertoltus on August 21, 2010, 05:03:02 AM
LOTR <<<<<<<<<<<<< Harry Potter
this.
I made it through all the Harry Potter books. Can't say the same about LOTR.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 21, 2010, 05:05:44 AM
I struggled to make it through a chapter of Harry Potter.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 21, 2010, 05:09:46 AM
Dumbledore is more powerful than Gandalf... did you see that duel at the end of Order of the Phoenix? Gandalf can't compete.
Does not compute.
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Post by: Bombardana on August 21, 2010, 05:13:18 AM
Dumbledore is more powerful than Gandalf... did you see that duel at the end of Order of the Phoenix? Gandalf can't compete.
Does not compute.
huhuh
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: BRGM on August 21, 2010, 05:13:33 AM
OFC It's Gandalf, Harry Potter are shitty movies anyways
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Post by: Logical Nightmare on August 21, 2010, 05:23:24 AM
Just because LotR is better than HP, it doesn't mean that Gandalf is more powerful. Dumbledore any time.

And in reality I think HP is just as good as LotR. They're equally epic.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 21, 2010, 05:33:07 AM
If you're just going to compare how powerful they are, Dumbledore wins hands down if for no other reason than magic in the HP universe is far more prevalent and potent then it is in the LOTR universe. Bombardana's right.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Arcaeus on August 21, 2010, 05:35:43 AM
Dumbledore didn't piledrive a balrog and come back from the dead!
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: King Postwhore on August 21, 2010, 05:37:53 AM
This thread should be added to the "Stuff that old people do" thread.  ;)
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Post by: ariich on August 21, 2010, 05:41:49 AM
If you're just going to compare how powerful they are, Dumbledore wins hands down if for no other reason than magic in the HP universe is far more prevalent and potent then it is in the LOTR universe. Bombardana's right.
Less subtle does not mean it's more potent or powerful.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Logical Nightmare on August 21, 2010, 05:45:07 AM
If you watch the fight between Gandalf and Saruman, all they do is tossing each other around.

The fight between Dumbledore and Voldie, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ariich on August 21, 2010, 05:49:53 AM
Less subtle does not mean it's more potent or powerful.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on August 21, 2010, 06:30:21 AM
OFC It's Gandalf, Harry Potter are shitty movies anyways

Read the books

That said, I had to vote for Dumbledore. I mean, Gandalf is badass and all, but magically Dumbledore blows him out of the water
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Arcaeus on August 21, 2010, 06:33:42 AM
OFC It's Gandalf, Harry Potter are shitty movies anyways

Read the books

That said, I had to vote for Dumbledore. I mean, Gandalf is badass and all, but magically Dumbledore blows him out of the water

Read the books

Gandalf is a demi-god that's thousands of years old :P
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on August 21, 2010, 06:35:18 AM
And just because he's older that makes him better?

BTW I have read the books. I still stand by my choice
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Post by: Jarlaxle on August 21, 2010, 08:17:44 AM
I think I have to say Dumbledore
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Post by: ehra on August 21, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
For the record, I had no idea the guy who played Gandalf is gay. However, my point remains valid, because we're talking about the CHARACTERS here, not the actors who play them. The character of Dumbledore is gay, and as far as I know Gandalf is straight. So my logic still makes sense...sort of. The fact that one of the actors is actually gay IRL is irrelevant.

Gandalf isn't even mortal, he's basically one of Middle Earth's guardian angels. I can't imagine him having a sexuality.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: soundgarden on August 21, 2010, 09:43:03 AM
wild Gandalf spawns Rohirrim cavalry legion


yep, Mithrindir all the way!
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 21, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
I don't like the movies as much as the books, but, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKxk9-z-dwY
Dumbledore wins. 
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Post by: Valdor on August 21, 2010, 10:23:11 AM
Aside from magical powers, Gandalf masterfully wields a sword. He'd whoop Dumbledore's butt.

Aside from that, aren't both of these old men supposed to be more counseling than aggressive, usually restraining themselves from wielding their powers, and ultimately working towards bringing peace to all lands? Why WOULD they fight at all?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 21, 2010, 10:48:41 AM
AFAIK, Dumbledore is a human.  Gandalf is the Middle Earth equivalent of an angel.  Remember, there was the fear that if Gandalf had taken possession of the Ring, he would have become another Dark Lord.  I don't see that kind of potential in Dumbledork.
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Post by: juice on August 21, 2010, 12:11:18 PM
Gandalf is the best them.
Pretty much this.
That.
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Post by: lonestar on August 21, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
Aside from that, aren't both of these old men supposed to be more counseling than aggressive, usually restraining themselves from wielding their powers, and ultimately working towards bringing peace to all lands? Why WOULD they fight at all?
Drunken barfight over a piece of ass?
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: robwebster on August 21, 2010, 03:08:23 PM
AFAIK, Dumbledore is a human.  Gandalf is the Middle Earth equivalent of an angel.  Remember, there was the fear that if Gandalf had taken possession of the Ring, he would have become another Dark Lord.  I don't see that kind of potential in Dumbledork.
Exactly! Which means that Dumbledore's weak enough to give in to senseless violence. Gandalf would see the good in Dumbledore and try not to kill him, and treat him with sympathy and probably be like "oh he's not TRYING to be a dick let's not actually kill him, just... kick him around a bit." Dumbledore, on the other hand, being a character with foibles (who even tried on a horcrux 'n' that, so he is properly bad at decision making), would give his soul up to the ring and turn into what Gollum might be if he had superpowers. It'd be like putting Smeagol in a panzer tank, and giving him unforgivable curses.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 21, 2010, 03:16:03 PM
So Gandalf isn't just a really powerful wizard, but actually an immortal guardian angel of Middle-Earth with limitless resolve?

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Post by: lonestar on August 21, 2010, 03:16:25 PM
AFAIK, Dumbledore is a human.  Gandalf is the Middle Earth equivalent of an angel.  Remember, there was the fear that if Gandalf had taken possession of the Ring, he would have become another Dark Lord.  I don't see that kind of potential in Dumbledork.
Exactly! Which means that Dumbledore's weak enough to give in to senseless violence. Gandalf would see the good in Dumbledore and try not to kill him, and treat him with sympathy and probably be like "oh he's not TRYING to be a dick let's not actually kill him, just... kick him around a bit." Dumbledore, on the other hand, being a character with foibles (who even tried on a horcrux 'n' that, so he is properly bad at decision making), would give his soul up to the ring and turn into what Gollum might be if he had superpowers. It'd be like putting Smeagol in a panzer tank, and giving him unforgivable curses.
:rollin

The mental image of Smeagol in a tank is priceless.  "Eat fucking lead, my preciousss"
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Post by: masterthes on August 21, 2010, 03:27:23 PM
Gandalf. A million times Gandalf
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Post by: Chino on August 22, 2010, 12:10:35 AM
I win...

/thread
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Post by: CountVoorhees on August 22, 2010, 02:28:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWEpWb1Nt8E
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: emindead on August 22, 2010, 10:45:24 AM
LOTR is one of the most dullest reads ever. Ever.
Harry Potter, though not that great piece of literature, is much more enjoyable.

LOTR is one of the greatest movies ever. Ever.
Harry Potter has had two Dumbledore's.

I've never enjoyed Dumbledore or thought of him as wise as Gandalf.

J.K. Rowling saying that Dumbledore's gay, without any textual evidence, and just to satisfy a personal view of some readers is a pathetic way to merchandise more this product.

Gandalf wins.
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Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on August 22, 2010, 10:49:05 AM
.
Harry Potter, though not that great piece of literature, is much more enjoyable.

J.K. Rowling saying that Dumbledore's gay, without any textual evidence, and just to satisfy a personal view of some readers is a pathetic way to merchandise more this product.


There are so many things wrong with these statements.
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Post by: emindead on August 22, 2010, 10:55:41 AM
I'm not gonna lie when I've said that Harry Potter got me started into reading as a pre-teen. I will always appreciate J.K. Rowling for that. Always.

Having said that, when you read other books, you know that she's not the best and that her books barely touch the works of other great masters. Her narrative may be superfluously appealing, like Stieg Larsson's, but she could never reach Jane Austen's feet, for example. I don't see HP being held that high by the academia in the future.
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Post by: MetalManiac666 on August 22, 2010, 11:06:46 AM
LOTR is one of the most dullest reads ever. Ever.

You like Shakespeare.  Therefore, does not compute.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: emindead on August 22, 2010, 11:25:30 AM
LOTR is one of the most dullest reads ever. Ever.
You like Shakespeare. Therefore, does not compute.
Sig'd!!!
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Post by: Volk9 on August 22, 2010, 01:46:04 PM
I wonder what Dumblecore would sound like? :metal
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Post by: tri.ad on August 22, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
Probably a bit gay.


(ba-dum tshh)
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Post by: MetalManiac666 on August 22, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
lol
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Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 22, 2010, 05:01:11 PM
Harry Potter always strikes me as a fantasy written by a twelve year old enthusiast with ADD.

"There's a basilisk! And a giant dude in the garden! The giant has a baby dragon! And there's a centaur in the woods outside the massive castle with moving staircases and ghosts walking around everywhere talking to people! And one of them is holding his head! The students are sorted by a talking hat! There's a flying car! They play sports on broomsticks! They eat magic lollies that can taste like all sorts of things! You can't say the bad guy's name! They learn magic in school! They use owls to send messages! They go back in time! There are wraith things! The kids the main character hates are big bullies! The main character's just a boy, and he never does what the teachers say and he always dabbles in the extremely dangerous situations that even the wizards are afraid of, but they love him for it and he always saves the day and he has a lightning bolt on his head and he talks to snakes because HE'S SO AWESOME! THERE ARE WIZARDS EVERYWHERE! MAGICMAGICMAGICMAGICMAGIC! THIS FANTASY HAS EVERYTHING, SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE AWESOMEST!!!"
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Post by: Arcaeus on August 22, 2010, 05:02:48 PM
 :lol I still like it though.

But real fantasy fans read A Song of Ice and Fire
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Post by: BRGM on August 22, 2010, 05:15:46 PM
I must agree with Fluffy Horatio
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Post by: Sigz on August 22, 2010, 05:29:14 PM
J.K. Rowling saying that Dumbledore's gay, without any textual evidence, and just to satisfy a personal view of some readers is a pathetic way to merchandise more this product.

Ignoring the fact that him being gay actually helped explain a lot of his actions in the past, I'm sure there were tons of people who hadn't touched the series for ten years that suddenly ran out and bought it because one of the characters was gay.

Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Arcaeus on August 22, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
J.K. Rowling saying that Dumbledore's gay, without any textual evidence, and just to satisfy a personal view of some readers is a pathetic way to merchandise more this product.

Just saw this.

You've got to be kidding me.
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Post by: Sigz on August 22, 2010, 05:33:08 PM
Hey, he's a literature scientist.

He knows what he's talking about.
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Post by: FinkPloyd on August 22, 2010, 05:37:35 PM
J.K. Rowling saying that Dumbledore's gay, without any textual evidence, and just to satisfy a personal view of some readers is a pathetic way to merchandise more this product.

Ignoring the fact that him being gay actually helped explain a lot of his actions in the past, I'm sure there were tons of people who hadn't touched the series for ten years that suddenly ran out and bought it because one of the characters was gay.



If this is true I've lost my faith in humanity. What a loss!
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Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 22, 2010, 05:51:26 PM
Also,
So Gandalf isn't just a really powerful wizard, but actually an immortal guardian angel of Middle-Earth with limitless resolve?
We actually went into this in quite a lot of detail in the LOTR thread.

Gandalf isn't immortal at all, but he is so powerful, nothing in the LOTR universe at that point in its history could kill him other than the Balrog, Saruman and Sauron himself. Or maybe all of the Nine together. Or maybe the dragons in the north, if there are any left, which I can't remember.
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Post by: Global Laziness on August 23, 2010, 12:02:29 AM
Dumblydore.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 23, 2010, 11:42:38 AM
Harry Potter always strikes me as a fantasy written by a twelve year old enthusiast with ADD.

"There's a basilisk! And a giant dude in the garden! The giant has a baby dragon! And there's a centaur in the woods outside the massive castle with moving staircases and ghosts walking around everywhere talking to people! And one of them is holding his head! The students are sorted by a talking hat! There's a flying car! They play sports on broomsticks! They eat magic lollies that can taste like all sorts of things! You can't say the bad guy's name! They learn magic in school! They use owls to send messages! They go back in time! There are wraith things! The kids the main character hates are big bullies! The main character's just a boy, and he never does what the teachers say and he always dabbles in the extremely dangerous situations that even the wizards are afraid of, but they love him for it and he always saves the day and he has a lightning bolt on his head and he talks to snakes because HE'S SO AWESOME! THERE ARE WIZARDS EVERYWHERE! MAGICMAGICMAGICMAGICMAGIC! THIS FANTASY HAS EVERYTHING, SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE AWESOMEST!!!"
:lol
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 23, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/supercrank/attachment.jpg)
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Post by: FinkPloyd on August 23, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/supercrank/attachment.jpg)

Who on the world would wear that?  :rollin
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 23, 2010, 11:48:28 AM
It came out right around the time the book did.  :lol
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Post by: 73109 on August 23, 2010, 11:50:05 AM
That is awesome.
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Post by: Pirate on August 23, 2010, 11:56:49 AM
The first Dumbledore (in the films) was the best, and he reminded me of Santa Claus. Gandalf reminds me of Frank Zappa (a straight-up badass who is beyond any mortal). Who wins? Not Santa Claus.
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Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 12:04:28 PM
:rollin I'm also not impressed with the second Dumbledore. It is unfortunate with the events that made them get another one? I'm sure if the Dumbledore that is acting now would have started the series we would hold different feelings. It would be the same way if Ian Mckellen had been unable to complete the LOTR trilogy
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Post by: Pirate on August 23, 2010, 12:16:01 PM
It would be the same way if Ian Mckellen had been unable to complete the LOTR trilogy
Don't say things like that!  :'(
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Post by: Sigz on August 23, 2010, 12:19:24 PM
Also,
So Gandalf isn't just a really powerful wizard, but actually an immortal guardian angel of Middle-Earth with limitless resolve?
We actually went into this in quite a lot of detail in the LOTR thread.

Gandalf isn't immortal at all, but he is so powerful, nothing in the LOTR universe at that point in its history could kill him other than the Balrog, Saruman and Sauron himself. Or maybe all of the Nine together. Or maybe the dragons in the north, if there are any left, which I can't remember.

That's... approaching Mary Sue status actually.

Either way, given that he'd clearly beat Dumbledore.
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Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 12:19:43 PM
I don't wish any harm on him, it is just harsh reality of life. Shit happens, but I'm glad it didn't.
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Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 12:38:46 PM
I'm also not impressed with the second Dumbledore.
WAT?! Michael Gambon is completely awesome.
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Post by: FinkPloyd on August 23, 2010, 12:39:24 PM
WAT?! Michael Gambon is completely awesome.
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Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 12:43:31 PM
I don't disagree, just compared to the first one(don't know his name) was better in comparison
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Post by: Gadough on August 23, 2010, 01:00:11 PM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/supercrank/attachment.jpg)

There was actually someone wearing that shirt in Wal-Mart on the midnight of the book's release. Despite being in the line to get it as soon as possible, I already knew about it because I've never cared about spoilers. But it was epic seeing people's reactions. I mean, this guy was literally just walking up and down the line repeatedly, making sure everyone saw him. The cops (yes, there were cops on duty the night of the book's release, I guess to make sure no one killed anybody) eventually made him leave. But I couldn't help but giggle every time someone noticed the shirt and gasped.

What I really don't understand about that shirt, though is the line "I just saved you 4 hours..." 4 hours? Really? Bullshit. No one could read that whole book in 4 hours.
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Post by: ehra on August 23, 2010, 01:04:33 PM
Also,
So Gandalf isn't just a really powerful wizard, but actually an immortal guardian angel of Middle-Earth with limitless resolve?
We actually went into this in quite a lot of detail in the LOTR thread.

Gandalf isn't immortal at all, but he is so powerful, nothing in the LOTR universe at that point in its history could kill him other than the Balrog, Saruman and Sauron himself. Or maybe all of the Nine together. Or maybe the dragons in the north, if there are any left, which I can't remember.

That's... approaching Mary Sue status actually.

Either way, given that he'd clearly beat Dumbledore.

Eh, not really. He's part of Middle Earth's mythology, it'd be like calling Jesus a Mary Sue.

He technically died after his fight with the Balrog, but Eru was all "wtf, no sleeping on the job."
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 01:10:09 PM
I really do need to reread all books placed in Tolkien's world, there is so much I've missed
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 23, 2010, 01:23:27 PM
Also,
So Gandalf isn't just a really powerful wizard, but actually an immortal guardian angel of Middle-Earth with limitless resolve?
We actually went into this in quite a lot of detail in the LOTR thread.

Gandalf isn't immortal at all, but he is so powerful, nothing in the LOTR universe at that point in its history could kill him other than the Balrog, Saruman and Sauron himself. Or maybe all of the Nine together. Or maybe the dragons in the north, if there are any left, which I can't remember.

That's... approaching Mary Sue status actually.

Either way, given that he'd clearly beat Dumbledore.

Eh, not really. He's part of Middle Earth's mythology, it'd be like calling Jesus a Mary Sue.

He technically died after his fight with the Balrog, but Eru was all "wtf, no sleeping on the job."

Jesus is a total Mary Sue.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ehra on August 23, 2010, 01:26:47 PM
Gary Stue.

edit: Or is it Lary? I can never remember.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 23, 2010, 01:37:37 PM
Either one. It can also be Marty Stu.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: chknptpie on August 23, 2010, 01:52:33 PM
Without the character of Gandalf, there would be no Dumbledore. Gandalf ftw.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 01:55:06 PM
Valid point, but magic as we know it is far more developed in Harry Potter. However, Gandalf does use a sword, I might have to change my vote
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ehra on August 23, 2010, 01:59:47 PM
Middle Earth was created by Eru and the Ainu getting together and singing a song. To me that beats anything from HP.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 02:02:27 PM
Karaoke night at middle earth!
Title: Re: That ring crack was the tits, though
Post by: Neon on August 23, 2010, 02:59:38 PM
As much as I enjoy Harry Potter, Gandalf is a bigger badass.

This.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 03:03:16 PM
I still can't put aside the fact that Dumbledore sacrificed himself for the greatest good
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Pirate on August 23, 2010, 03:19:08 PM
I still can't put aside the fact that Dumbledore sacrificed himself for the greatest good
So did Gandalf, he just happened to come back to life.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: FinkPloyd on August 23, 2010, 03:39:01 PM
Sorry, I didn't explain myself fully. Dumbledore planned his own murder, he knew it had to happen so he made it happen.

Spoiler spoils the spoil.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 03:45:04 PM
It had been said here before, and if you didn't know that already you probably didn't care about HP in the first place
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 23, 2010, 03:47:25 PM
Acidrain is reading the books right now, and just because someone hasn't read something yet is no excuse to spoil it.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: FinkPloyd on August 23, 2010, 03:48:35 PM
Nope I knew. But..There can be somone hasn't read it yet and also that doesn't mean you can give spoils because someone already did this shit.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 03:53:16 PM
Well the book has been out for how long? Another message board I am a member of has a 2 year period where talking about something is considered a spoiler, I just assumed that was online protocol
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 03:57:38 PM
What I really don't understand about that shirt, though is the line "I just saved you 4 hours..." 4 hours? Really? Bullshit. No one could read that whole book in 4 hours.
Massive losers can. :P
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: chknptpie on August 23, 2010, 04:00:53 PM
What I really don't understand about that shirt, though is the line "I just saved you 4 hours..." 4 hours? Really? Bullshit. No one could read that whole book in 4 hours.
Massive losers can. :P
Maybe it means 4 hours of the movie?
Title: Re: Four hours in thumbscrews, that is
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 23, 2010, 04:03:19 PM
What I really don't understand about that shirt, though is the line "I just saved you 4 hours..." 4 hours? Really? Bullshit. No one could read that whole book in 4 hours.
Massive losers can. :P
Maybe it means 4 hours of the movie?

Hey now, the movie only felt like four hours.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2010, 04:08:06 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Gadough on August 23, 2010, 04:09:15 PM
I've yet to see the 6th movie. Am I missing out? I heard there were tons of scenes added in that were never in the book.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: bosk1 on August 23, 2010, 04:19:12 PM
Jarlaxle, don't post spoilers in a thread without spoiler tags or at least reducing the font.  That's incredibly inconsiderate.  Post removed.
Title: Re: And now my ears are bleeding. That's bad, right?
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 23, 2010, 04:29:44 PM
I've yet to see the 6th movie. Am I missing out? I heard there were tons of scenes added in that were never in the book.

I don't think there's a word that exists in the English language to properly explain just how bored I was of it and how badly I wanted to be doing ANYTHING other than watching it. So I'll rant:

*SPOILER ALERT!!!*













































Perhaps the greatest example of something that was added in would be the burrow scene. It's Christmas and everyone's celebrating at the Weasely's house, when all of a sudden, there's an attack... of some sort, I dunno. There's some people flying around outside and generally being annoying. So Harry chases after them into a big cornfield, and Ginny chases after him, but she gets lost, and cornered by a guy who wasn't really that important in the books and is even less-so in the movies. Yes, cornered in a cornfield. There was a... a pond, I guess. 'Cause fuck it, y'know? And Harry shows up and sorta saves her. The dude turns into a cloud and flies away. And then he and another cloud, which was Bellatrix ('Cause when you pay for Helena Bonham-Carter's services, you're gonna want to use her as much as possible, especially when you cut out her best scenes from the book. Am I making sense yet? No? Good.) and they light the house on fire and fly away, and all of the good guys are just staring at this huge five story flaming pile of home and shit, and you as the audience are yelling at the TV, "You're wizards! You have wands! Conjure some water or a big fucking blanket or a hurricane! Stop being so useless!" And then the movie continues, and no one makes mention of it. Ron isn't all like "My home is destroyed, where am I gonna go this summer?" and Ginny's all like "Oh Harry, do me right here in the Room of Deus Ex Machina! I'm so distraught now that my family's homeless, I'll let you do whatever you want to me!" The entire scene is pointless. The entire movie is pointless. Why did I write this rant? Life is pointless. I learned that from Harry Potter.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: BRGM on August 23, 2010, 04:31:00 PM
Jarlaxle, don't post spoilers in a thread without spoiler tags or at least reducing the font.  That's incredibly inconsiderate.  Post removed.

yeah! I didn't even know he died!! D: D:
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
Jarlaxle, don't post spoilers in a thread without spoiler tags or at least reducing the font.  That's incredibly inconsiderate.  Post removed.

Sorry bosky, I won't do it again.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 04:32:39 PM
In all fairness, I do understand why my post has been removed, I'm running on a different rulebook here, but there are plenty of posts and threads(including my own LOTR) one that should have spoiler tags applied to them.

Sorry for the spoiler, its a misunderstanding.

As a spoiler tag, is there a special thing for that, or do I just put *SPOILER* in large font at the start of the post?
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 23, 2010, 04:35:27 PM
I've yet to see the 6th movie. Am I missing out? I heard there were tons of scenes added in that were never in the book.

I'm not sure I'd say it's quite as bad as LHK's awesome post made it out to be, but yeah you're really not missing much.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: bosk1 on August 23, 2010, 04:42:11 PM
In all fairness, I do understand why my post has been removed, I'm running on a different rulebook here, but there are plenty of posts and threads(including my own LOTR) one that should have spoiler tags applied to them.

Sorry for the spoiler, its a misunderstanding.

As a spoiler tag, is there a special thing for that, or do I just put *SPOILER* in large font at the start of the post?

Like how I modified LHK's post above.

(dammit, LHK, you should know better!  Do I really need to make "post a proper 'SPOILER ALERT!' before posting spoilers" part of the forum rules?  I've always thought that was such common knowledge that it didn't need to be said)
Title: Re: And yes, it WAS that bad, Gadough!
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 23, 2010, 04:44:21 PM
In all fairness, I do understand why my post has been removed, I'm running on a different rulebook here, but there are plenty of posts and threads(including my own LOTR) one that should have spoiler tags applied to them.

Sorry for the spoiler, its a misunderstanding.

As a spoiler tag, is there a special thing for that, or do I just put *SPOILER* in large font at the start of the post?

Like how I modified LHK's post above.

(dammit, LHK, you should know better!  Do I really need to make "post a proper 'SPOILER ALERT!' before posting spoilers" part of the forum rules?  I've always thought that was such common knowledge that it didn't need to be said)

Sorry, I didn't think that something that was completely irrelevant to the plot qualified as a spoiler.

*Edit: I didn't mean for this to sound sarcastic. I genuinely didn't see this as spoiling anything
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 23, 2010, 04:45:55 PM
Okay thanks. An easy(?) Way to have spoilers basically eliminated would to have a way to hide the "spoil" and the only way to read it is to click on it and it shows the hidden text. I don't know if that could be done but if you clicked on a spoiler tag and read it, it is your fault

EDIT: To completely erase my post, the post by FinkPloyd should be edited to remove the quote of my post
Title: Re: And yes, it WAS that bad, Gadough!
Post by: Gadough on August 23, 2010, 06:37:24 PM
Sorry, I didn't think that something that was completely irrelevant to the plot qualified as a spoiler.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on August 23, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
What I really don't understand about that shirt, though is the line "I just saved you 4 hours..." 4 hours? Really? Bullshit. No one could read that whole book in 4 hours.
Massive losers can. :P

You calling me a massive loser?
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: blackngold29 on August 23, 2010, 11:02:31 PM
Dumbledore because he gave himself up so nobody ever beat him. Gandalf beat the Balrog, but died and came back.
Title: Re: Oh man, I'm just asking for it here
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 23, 2010, 11:07:32 PM
Dumbledore because he gave himself up so nobody ever beat him. Gandalf beat the Balrog, but died and came back.

This is probably a huge mistake, but... Could you explain your logic?
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 23, 2010, 11:20:24 PM
Harry Potter always strikes me as a fantasy written by a twelve year old enthusiast with ADD.

"There's a basilisk! And a giant dude in the garden! The giant has a baby dragon! And there's a centaur in the woods outside the massive castle with moving staircases and ghosts walking around everywhere talking to people! And one of them is holding his head! The students are sorted by a talking hat! There's a flying car! They play sports on broomsticks! They eat magic lollies that can taste like all sorts of things! You can't say the bad guy's name! They learn magic in school! They use owls to send messages! They go back in time! There are wraith things! The kids the main character hates are big bullies! The main character's just a boy, and he never does what the teachers say and he always dabbles in the extremely dangerous situations that even the wizards are afraid of, but they love him for it and he always saves the day and he has a lightning bolt on his head and he talks to snakes because HE'S SO AWESOME! THERE ARE WIZARDS EVERYWHERE! MAGICMAGICMAGICMAGICMAGIC! THIS FANTASY HAS EVERYTHING, SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE AWESOMEST!!!"
:lol
To clarify, my point with this was that in my idea of a good fantasy, the universe feels carefully constructed, and it has a sense of internal logic to it. That doesn't mean everything has to have been planned in advance, but it does have to feel like everything fits. In fact, arguably, this applies to all story-telling, if the world we are shown in the story is its 'universe'.

From what I've heard/read/seen of it, the core story of Harry vs Voldemort wasn't terribly written, but overall, it's like Rowling made a list of everything fantasy-related she could think of and tried to cram it all into one universe.
Title: Re: Oh man, I'm just asking for it here
Post by: blackngold29 on August 24, 2010, 01:52:49 AM
Dumbledore because he gave himself up so nobody ever beat him. Gandalf beat the Balrog, but died and came back.

This is probably a huge mistake, but... Could you explain your logic?
I just don't see how you can put a rating on how much fighting capacity Dumbledore has because he never lost a fight; I suspect that at his full force Voldemort is the only one who could even gotten close to beating him. Gandalf did kind of die, and he never even fought Sauron.



Remember the Dubledore Principal: Just because you maintain a civil demeanor, it does not follow that you are incapable of kicking ass.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Accelerando on August 24, 2010, 01:56:05 AM
I voted Dumbledore, but you know it could go either way.  Seriously the battle would be epic.
No it wouldn't.  Gandalf wipes his ass with Dumbledore.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ariich on August 24, 2010, 04:06:56 AM
What I really don't understand about that shirt, though is the line "I just saved you 4 hours..." 4 hours? Really? Bullshit. No one could read that whole book in 4 hours.
Massive losers can. :P

You calling me a massive loser?
Did you read the 7th HP book in 4 hours?

I just don't see how you can put a rating on how much fighting capacity Dumbledore has because he never lost a fight; I suspect that at his full force Voldemort is the only one who could even gotten close to beating him. Gandalf did kind of die, and he never even fought Sauron.
1) Gandalf didn't actually die, and 2) he let himself fall so that the others could escape, which is apparently why Dumbledore is so badass. :P
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: tri.ad on August 24, 2010, 06:46:41 AM
What I really don't understand about that shirt, though is the line "I just saved you 4 hours..." 4 hours? Really? Bullshit. No one could read that whole book in 4 hours.
Massive losers can. :P

You calling me a massive loser?
Did you read the 7th HP book in 4 hours?

It was the sixth.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ariich on August 24, 2010, 07:05:37 AM
Oh yeah. Well even so, 4 hours is ridiculous. :P
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 24, 2010, 07:16:39 AM
I read the 7th one in under a day and I felt like Jesus after
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 24, 2010, 07:17:46 AM
I know what you mean. Jesus was a damn fast reader.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Tick on August 24, 2010, 07:23:05 AM
Bella Lugosi wins.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 24, 2010, 07:24:32 AM
:lol taking a comment much to seriously
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: tri.ad on August 24, 2010, 08:16:42 AM
Bella Lugosi wins.

Her maiden name is Black.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: blackngold29 on August 24, 2010, 01:06:45 PM
I just don't see how you can put a rating on how much fighting capacity Dumbledore has because he never lost a fight; I suspect that at his full force Voldemort is the only one who could even gotten close to beating him. Gandalf did kind of die, and he never even fought Sauron.
1) Gandalf didn't actually die, and 2) he let himself fall so that the others could escape, which is apparently why Dumbledore is so badass. :P
Gandalf let himself fall, yes, but he didn't die from the fall. He was so weakened by his fight with the balrog that for all intensive purposes it killed him. He only returned because the gods of middle earth (whose proper name escapes me at the moment) sent him back as Gandalf the White so he could help out the good guys in the fight.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 26, 2010, 09:34:31 AM
Also:

(https://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/dumblederp.jpg)
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: bosk1 on August 26, 2010, 09:41:42 AM
I'm just thinking back to LOTR.  I mean, Balrogs were nothing to be messed with.  Gandalf basically just said, "yo, balroggy, you ain't comin' this way" and that was that.  He didn't have to do anything fancy.  Ole' 'roggy was just like, "Oh...er...uh...well then, I'll just...um...stand her and roar and look menacing then...and...uh...yeah."

If Gandalf and Dumblypie ever got into it, I imagine it would play out something like:
-Dumblewumble unleashes the fookin' fury with all he's got.
-While he's doing that, Gandalf sits down and has a couple of tea.
-When he's done, we walks over and clocks Dumbledweeb in the temple with his staff.
-Dumble crumples to the floor.  Gandalf wins.  Flawless victory.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on August 26, 2010, 09:59:17 AM
Dumbledee and Dumbledum?
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 26, 2010, 11:48:18 AM
:rollin
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: MetalManiac666 on August 26, 2010, 10:16:22 PM
I'm just thinking back to LOTR.  I mean, Balrogs were nothing to be messed with.  Gandalf basically just said, "yo, balroggy, you ain't comin' this way" and that was that.  He didn't have to do anything fancy.  Ole' 'roggy was just like, "Oh...er...uh...well then, I'll just...um...stand her and roar and look menacing then...and...uh...yeah."

If Gandalf and Dumblypie ever got into it, I imagine it would play out something like:
-Dumblewumble unleashes the fookin' fury with all he's got.
-While he's doing that, Gandalf sits down and has a couple of tea.
-When he's done, we walks over and clocks Dumbledweeb in the temple with his staff.
-Dumble crumples to the floor.  Gandalf wins.  Flawless victory.

Flawless victory indeed.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: emindead on August 26, 2010, 10:48:46 PM
J.K. Rowling saying that Dumbledore's gay, without any textual evidence, and just to satisfy a personal view of some readers is a pathetic way to merchandise more this product.
Ignoring the fact that him being gay actually helped explain a lot of his actions in the past, I'm sure there were tons of people who hadn't touched the series for ten years that suddenly ran out and bought it because one of the characters was gay.
Ah, taking the hammock reader's opinion. Lol. What else are you going to say now, that some events in Rowling's life explain some passages of this book? :lol

I said: there's no textual evidence of Dumbledore being gay. Please show me a passage where it says he's gay or it is specifically implied.

If Dumbledore is really gay, because that was the intention of the author, then in that case the reader will just have to disown it. She should have made it clear. She didn't. She did not achieve to convey her message.
Title: Re: By the way, Nick from The Great Gatsby? Fagalicious.
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on August 26, 2010, 10:54:08 PM
J.K. Rowling saying that Dumbledore's gay, without any textual evidence, and just to satisfy a personal view of some readers is a pathetic way to merchandise more this product.
Ignoring the fact that him being gay actually helped explain a lot of his actions in the past, I'm sure there were tons of people who hadn't touched the series for ten years that suddenly ran out and bought it because one of the characters was gay.
Ah, taking the hammock reader's opinion. Lol. What else are you going to say now, that some events in Rowling's life explain some passages of this book? :lol

I said: there's no textual evidence of Dumbledore being gay. Please show me a passage where it says he's gay or it is specifically implied.

If Dumbledore is really gay, because that was the intention of the author, then in that case the reader will just have to disown it. She should have made it clear. She didn't. She did not achieve to convey her message.

Seriously, am I the only one who actually got the sense he was gay while just reading the books? Or do I just have a literary gaydar?
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 26, 2010, 11:02:07 PM
What the fuck?

SPOILERS HARRY DONT FUCKING READ THIS



Dumbledore ignored all the signs of Grindewald's evil and ambitions at power and it wasn't until it was far too late that he did anything about it. Why? Because he had been his best friend, gay, and in love with him, and even after all the shit that happened between them he still couldn't get over that.

The reason it's not explicitly stated or implied is because it's totally peripheral. It explains events that occurred 70 years before the series, and in the end has virtually no affect on the series overall. It's a side trait that explains some of his actions, and could have been inferred by a reader.

Either way, the point is moot; there's no way Rowling just said he was gay to try to boost sales. What a ridiculous claim to make.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2010, 12:10:40 AM
Oh yeah?  Well, you're gay just to boost sales, so there!
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: ariich on August 27, 2010, 03:43:08 AM
Oh yeah?  Well, you're gay just to boost sales, so there!
Personal attack, bant.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: Sigz on August 27, 2010, 03:47:22 AM
Oh yeah?  Well, you're gay just to boost sales, so there!

No, I'm gay because Rich is too hot to pass ignore, AND he defends my honor! *swoons*
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2010, 08:13:36 AM
Oh. 

(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/Cameron.jpg)
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: emindead on August 27, 2010, 04:01:15 PM
SPOILERS, HARRY

What the fuck?

SPOILERS HARRY DONT FUCKING READ THIS

*ARGUMENT*
I'm gonna re-read that specific part. What I remember from reading it the first time, three years ago, was that: "Oh, Dumbledore had his really good friend that we didn't know about. It reminds me of Frodo and his great friend Sam, Merry and his great friend Pippin, Harry and his great friend Ron". Dumbledore and his great friend Grindelwald.
Title: Re: By the way, Nick from The Great Gatsby? Fagalicious.
Post by: Gadough on August 27, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
Seriously, am I the only one who actually got the sense he was gay while just reading the books? Or do I just have a literary gaydar?

Regarding the subject change, I'm pretty sure EVERY character in The Great Gatsby is gay.
Title: Re: Who wins?
Post by: lonestar on August 27, 2010, 07:03:52 PM
SPOILERS HARRY







You fucking read it anyways, didn't you?