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Title: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 23, 2009, 05:10:49 PM
Megadeth owns. Discuss.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 23, 2009, 07:09:22 PM
Don't summon the devil, don't call a priest..
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 01, 2009, 08:33:10 PM
Megadeth > Metallica


:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 01, 2009, 08:39:12 PM
i hope the new album is pretty good.


On Wikipedia it says,

As for the CD, I can’t believe the way the whole thing came together. It has a unique and original sound that I don’t think could have come together with any other group of people. From Dave’s snarling vocals, to James’ huge bass sound and Shawn’s dead accurate drumming it is just relentless, and with Andy producing, it focused the sound and direction of the CD. I feel lucky to be a part of it, for one thing it definitely did, was make me expand and play in different styles. I can’t wait for the release, and I hope all of you find something in it you like."[89] On May 27 2009, Dave Mustaine confirmed all 12 songs are complete and they are currently mixing and mastering the record.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on June 01, 2009, 08:47:52 PM
Killing Is My Business has got to be one of the best old school thrash albums. Ever. And it's my favourite Megadeth album as well.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 01, 2009, 08:53:19 PM
Its Countdown for me eh.  And Youthanasia a close second.  Though I enjoy Rust in Peace, Peace Sell, etc I kind of prefer the less-thrashier stuff.  But Wake Up Dead and Devils Island are probably my 2 favourite deth songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ouda on July 19, 2009, 08:51:18 AM
Megadeth > Metallica

ummm....not so much...lyric wise maybe. Plus Megadeth wouldn't exist without Metallica
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on July 19, 2009, 11:22:43 AM
Megadeth > Metallica

ummm....not so much...lyric wise maybe. Plus Megadeth wouldn't exist without Metallica

I agree with this post.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on July 19, 2009, 11:27:33 AM
If you're in need of strength..
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dangerskew on July 20, 2009, 10:36:09 PM
I love me some Megadeth.  Haven't listened to them in a while, but Rust In Peace is one of my favorite albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Chino on July 21, 2009, 10:41:05 AM
I fell asleep in the middle of Megadeth's set on Gigantour for a solid 25 minutes. Not a fan.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: GuitarStrings on July 21, 2009, 11:05:27 AM
Megadeth > Metallica


:neverusethis:

They are on 2 completely different levels.

Dave just has too much talent for even being compared to any member of Metallica.

Not to even mention all his current and former band mates... all monster musicians.

Metallica has become a cult thing over the years for the style and some of their song themes... hats off for this. James Hetfield is a really talented song writer, singer and guitarist... he had the "misfortune" of having Kirk Hammett in his band. Can you imagine if he had someone like Petrucci in the band?
But again, Megadeth are on a different level. Their musicality is just unmatchable.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bombardana on July 24, 2009, 09:15:52 AM
naw
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on July 24, 2009, 09:48:10 AM
There are a few groups that I love all their work besides DT. And one of them is Magadeth.  Mustaine is incredible and I like Friedman solos, so….
I wouldn’t ever compare them with Metallica, never…
Imo their every piece is adorable.  But these stick out:

Holy Wars
Hangar 18
Reckoning Day
Tornado of Souls
Five Magics(Especially the intro)
High Speed Dirt
Truth Be Told
Skin O’ My Teeth
This Was My Life
Never Walk Alone
Peace Sells
Blood of Heroes
Countdown to Extinction
The Scorpion
Die Dead Enough
Family Tree
Washington is Nest
Train of Consequences
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 24, 2009, 10:35:24 AM
Megadeth has a remarkably strong discography, although it isn't as satisfying as Metallica's. Rust in Peace is ridiculously good though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zeltar on July 24, 2009, 10:38:27 AM
I think I'm the only person in the world who think Killing Is My Business is just a mediocre album. Dave's vocals are just ugh, I can't stand them on that album. That being said, Rust In Peace, Peace Sells But Who's Buying, and Countdown are three of the greatest thrash albums of all time. :metal :metal

And don't even get me started on the Metallica/Megadeth debate.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on July 24, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
Yeah, let's not get started on Metallica/Megadeth thing. Let's just say, Megadeth wouldn't exist without Metallica and leave it at that.


Rust in Peace, Peace Sell... But Who's Buying are two of the best thrash albums of all time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: InstrumentalFiasco on July 24, 2009, 11:22:46 AM
Yeah I hate Killing and So far

I love Peace sells, Rust , Countdown and Youth...System wasn't bad but that's it. EVERYTHING ELSE BLOWS.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bombardana on July 24, 2009, 01:11:01 PM
Killing is my Business was great
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2009, 01:14:06 PM
No, just good.  It's even right there in the title.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bombardana on July 24, 2009, 01:18:17 PM
lol :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on July 28, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
Cover art revealed for the coming album

(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/mega_endgame.jpg)

Tracklisting:

01. Dialectic Chaos
02. This Day We Fight!
03. 44 Minutes
04. 1,320'
05. Bite The Hand That Feeds
06. Bodies Left Behind
07. Endgame
08. The Hardest Part Of Letting Go... Sealed With A Kiss
09. Headcrusher
10. How the Story Ends
11. The Right To Go Insane
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 28, 2009, 02:05:36 PM
Shit, that's a pretty controversial cover. I LOVE IT.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on July 28, 2009, 03:41:08 PM
Cover art revealed for the coming album

(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/mega_endgame.jpg)

Tracklisting:

01. Dialectic Chaos
02. This Day We Fight!
03. 44 Minutes
04. 1,320'
05. Bite The Hand That Feeds
06. Bodies Left Behind
07. Endgame
08. The Hardest Part Of Letting Go... Sealed With A Kiss
09. Headcrusher
10. How the Story Ends
11. The Right To Go Insane
I has an excitement!

 :metal :2metal:  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: perfey on July 28, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
Fucking awesome band, love Daves vocals and the amazing musicianship as well. I love whole 'Deths discography expect for the later albums starting from "The Worlds needs a hero". Havent got in to those albums yet but I have high hopes for "Endgame". Cool cover and nice album title and track titles, flies and prisoners? The humans walking into the meat machine like a flock of sheep, nice.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on July 29, 2009, 06:43:12 PM
This morning, I got out of bed and burnt the Peace Sells and SFSGSW Remasters on one disc. Weird first thing to do for the day.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on July 29, 2009, 08:31:16 PM
I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong heh
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on July 29, 2009, 08:40:19 PM
I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong heh
It's more mature than the UA cover art, I thought that UA looked like a power metal/prog. metal band's type of art that wrote about politics instead.

Dave better be right about this album being "the best thing they've made since Rust In Peace". I mean come on, Countdown and CW were pretty good imo. I hope Endgame is as good as he says!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on July 31, 2009, 01:14:23 PM
I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong heh
It's more mature than the UA cover art, I thought that UA looked like a power metal/prog. metal band's type of art that wrote about politics instead.

Dave better be right about this album being "the best thing they've made since Rust In Peace". I mean come, Countdown and CW were pretty good imo. I hope Endgame is as good as he says!

He says that about every album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on July 31, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong heh
It's more mature than the UA cover art, I thought that UA looked like a power metal/prog. metal band's type of art that wrote about politics instead.

Dave better be right about this album being "the best thing they've made since Rust In Peace". I mean come, Countdown and CW were pretty good imo. I hope Endgame is as good as he says!

He says that about every album.
Yep. I remember seeing the same thing about UA.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MetalManiac666 on August 04, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Megadeth > Metallica


:neverusethis:

I would agree with this person.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MetalManiac666 on August 04, 2009, 09:12:11 AM
Shit, that's a pretty controversial cover. I LOVE IT.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 04, 2009, 02:53:36 PM
Megadeth > Metallica


:neverusethis:

I would agree with this person.

:tup MEEEEEE!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on August 07, 2009, 03:32:07 AM
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200

Any Aussies going to this?!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 08, 2009, 03:20:44 AM
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200

Any Aussies going to this?!

They're coming to NZ with Slayer.  Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on August 08, 2009, 06:53:07 AM
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200

Any Aussies going to this?!

They're coming to NZ with Slayer.  Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Spolt on August 09, 2009, 05:00:27 PM
Seriously, one of the ugliest cover i have EVER seen.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on August 09, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
Seriously, one of the ugliest cover i have EVER seen.
What's wrong with it?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: tbw2445 on August 09, 2009, 05:13:50 PM
I just hope Endgame is really good. I did really enjoy Headcrusher so I am optimistic that Endgme will own!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 09, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200

Any Aussies going to this?!

They're coming to NZ with Slayer.  Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!

I dunno, Slayer just rub me the wrong way.  I've never been able to appreciate their music and their fans here are tools.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on August 09, 2009, 05:15:45 PM
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200

Any Aussies going to this?!

They're coming to NZ with Slayer.  Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!

I dunno, Slayer just rub me the wrong way.  I've never been able to appreciate their music and their fans here are tools.
You just opened Pandora's box sir.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 09, 2009, 05:31:03 PM
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200

Any Aussies going to this?!

They're coming to NZ with Slayer.  Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!

I dunno, Slayer just rub me the wrong way.  I've never been able to appreciate their music and their fans here are tools.
You just opened Pandora's box sir.  >:( >:( >:(

I mean in NZ.

Forgivuhness, prease.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on August 09, 2009, 05:31:47 PM
https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/13004304A1E83276?artistid=736135&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=200

Any Aussies going to this?!

They're coming to NZ with Slayer.  Would've gone if it weren't for Slayer.
So what? Just go, you'll enjoy it!

I dunno, Slayer just rub me the wrong way.  I've never been able to appreciate their music and their fans here are tools.
You just opened Pandora's box sir.  >:( >:( >:(

I mean in NZ.

Forgivuhness, prease.
Oh, okay. It's all good then.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 09, 2009, 06:19:30 PM
Judging a band by it's fanbase is retarded, unless it's Slipknot. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 09, 2009, 06:25:12 PM
I'm not saying Slayer is shit because the fans I know in NZ are tools.  I'm saying I'd rather not be stuck in a pit with them for 2+ Hours regardless of how much I like Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on August 10, 2009, 04:13:39 AM
Judging a band by it's fanbase is retarded, unless it's Slipknot. :neverusethis:
Or ICP.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 13, 2009, 06:23:01 PM
Judging a band by it's fanbase is retarded, unless it's Slipknot. :neverusethis:
Or ICP.

I agree.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on October 08, 2009, 08:22:19 PM
Got my ticket for Megadeth/Slayer in the mail today. IT"S GOING TO BE BALLS TO THE WALL, MAN!

:letam: :2metal: :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Portrucci on October 08, 2009, 11:03:20 PM
Got my ticket for Megadeth/Slayer in the mail today. IT"S GOING TO BE BALLS TO THE WALL, MAN!

:letam: :2metal: :metal

I might see you there tonight! I'll be the one wearing a black t-shirt. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on October 08, 2009, 11:06:21 PM
Got my ticket for Megadeth/Slayer in the mail today. IT"S GOING TO BE BALLS TO THE WALL, MAN!

:letam: :2metal: :metal

I might see you there tonight! I'll be the one wearing a black t-shirt. :neverusethis:

My concert is on Nov. 9th in a little town called Halifax...

BUT ROCK ON ANYWAY :metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Portrucci on October 08, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
Got my ticket for Megadeth/Slayer in the mail today. IT"S GOING TO BE BALLS TO THE WALL, MAN!

:letam: :2metal: :metal

I might see you there tonight! I'll be the one wearing a black t-shirt. :neverusethis:

My concert is on Nov. 9th in a little town called Halifax...

BUT ROCK ON ANYWAY :metal:

:metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on October 09, 2009, 07:10:50 AM
Megadeth were awesome!

Set The World Afire
Wake Up Dead
Devils Island
- technical difficulties (apparently) break -
She-Wolf
Hangar 18
In My Darkest Hour
Rattlehead
Head Crusher
Tornado Of Souls
Symphony Of Destruction
Peace Sells
- break two -
Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
- outro (Silent Scorn - tape) -
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 09, 2009, 07:12:21 AM
Megadeth were awesome!

Set The World Afire
Wake Up Dead
Devils Island
- technical difficulties (apparently) break -
She-Wolf
Hangar 18
In My Darkest Hour
Rattlehead
Head Crusher
Tornado Of Souls
Symphony Of Destruction
Peace Sells
- break two -
Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
- outro (Silent Scorn - tape) -
Holy this, is that some Rattlehead?!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on October 09, 2009, 07:23:58 AM
Megadeth were awesome!

Set The World Afire
Wake Up Dead
Devils Island
- technical difficulties (apparently) break -
She-Wolf
Hangar 18
In My Darkest Hour
Rattlehead
Head Crusher
Tornado Of Souls
Symphony Of Destruction
Peace Sells
- break two -
Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
- outro (Silent Scorn - tape) -
Holy this, is that some Rattlehead?!
Yes :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on October 09, 2009, 08:47:01 AM
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.

Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on October 09, 2009, 05:53:31 PM
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.

Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn

Meh, I guess they could of played 'This Day We Fight!' or '44 Minutes'. But it was awesome none the less, their sound was much better and each instrument can be heard, unlike Slayer...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on October 10, 2009, 07:18:02 PM
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.

Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn

*cough*Iced Earth*cough*
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 10, 2009, 07:21:05 PM
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.

Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn

*cough*Iced Earth*cough*

I heard about a 2009 tour...  :huh:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on October 10, 2009, 07:30:33 PM
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.

Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn

*cough*Iced Earth*cough*

I heard about a 2009 tour...  :huh:

Did you hear about a change of setlist? 'Cause I didn't...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 10, 2009, 07:53:16 PM
Good to see Megadeth has been playing practically the same setlist for six years.

Nice representation of the new album, too, one song. :tdwn

*cough*Iced Earth*cough*

I heard about a 2009 tour...  :huh:

Did you hear about a change of setlist? 'Cause I didn't...

 :P No, but I was actually asking if you heard about it, since I havn't heard much. I should've typed it out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ouda on November 08, 2009, 11:46:20 AM
New album is sweeeeet. Solos left and right.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 08, 2009, 04:12:40 PM
New album is sweeeeet. Solos left and right.

Hellz yeah!  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on November 08, 2009, 05:46:38 PM
The Megadeth/Slayer Show for tomorrow was postponed last week due to back injuries on one of Slayer's folks.

Rumour is January 2010 will be the reschedule date.  :millahhhh :'( :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on November 08, 2009, 05:48:07 PM
Yeah, I heard a week ago that Tom Araya injured himself on stage (I think) and had to cancel a whole bunch of dates, including playing on the Jimmy Kimmel Show.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 08, 2009, 05:51:36 PM
Yeah, I heard a week ago that Tom Araya injured himself on stage (I think) and had to cancel a whole bunch of dates, including playing on the Jimmy Kimmel Show.
Close. He blew his voice out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on November 08, 2009, 05:52:44 PM
Yeah, I heard a week ago that Tom Araya injured himself on stage (I think) and had to cancel a whole bunch of dates, including playing on the Jimmy Kimmel Show.
Close. He blew his voice out.
Ouch, that sucks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 08, 2009, 05:53:33 PM
Yeah, I heard a week ago that Tom Araya injured himself on stage (I think) and had to cancel a whole bunch of dates, including playing on the Jimmy Kimmel Show.
Close. He blew his voice out.
Ouch, that sucks.
Can you blame him though? He's doing all that strained stuff these days, particularly on the new stuff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 08, 2009, 05:53:46 PM
The Megadeth/Slayer Show for tomorrow was postponed last week due to back injuries on one of Slayer's folks.

Rumour is January 2010 will be the reschedule date.  :millahhhh :'( :sadpanda:

You better fucking hope Araya's voice isn't fucked up and that Kerry and Dave aren't the loudest on the stage!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on November 08, 2009, 05:54:27 PM
Weird. Local newspaper say he hurt his back and went into emergency surgery in Texas. Gives me one more reason to dislike their reporting.

Still doesn't make up for the wait. :censored

The Megadeth/Slayer Show for tomorrow was postponed last week due to back injuries on one of Slayer's folks.

Rumour is January 2010 will be the reschedule date.  :millahhhh :'( :sadpanda:

You better fucking hope Araya's voice isn't fucked up and that Kerry and Dave aren't the loudest on the stage!

...what are you alluding to.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 08, 2009, 05:58:40 PM
Because that's what happened when they played here in Melbourne. My friend and I were disappointed. Araya only sung about 20% of the time. It's like they were rehearsing with a crowd present.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on November 08, 2009, 06:00:59 PM
Seeing as my Slayer fandom is but in its proto-stage, I could take that, as long as Megadeth delivers.

Of course, optimally they would rock out with their (figurative) cocks out :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 08, 2009, 06:04:45 PM
Seeing as my Slayer fandom is but in its proto-stage, I could take that, as long as Megadeth delivers.

Of course, optimally they would rock out with their (figurative) cocks out :metal

Oh yes, Megadeth WILL delivers!! :metal Dave is a fucking awesome frontman. He really seems happy with what he's doing and definitely looks like he's having an awesome time just as much as the audience/fans are.

I'd rate the performance I was at 9/10!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dr. DTVT on November 08, 2009, 10:08:24 PM
Sorry for breaking up the concert talk, but it was starting to lean toward Slayer news in the Megadeth thread.

One of the things I love about Megadeth is the Dave uses his music to make social commentary and manages to make it non-preachy (most of the time).  When I was young, I appriciated his shredding, as an adult, I've come to find Dave is pretty sharp guy I respect intellectually.

And Endgame is awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 09, 2009, 02:56:22 AM
I spent a lot of time at The Realms of Deth when I was younger.  Google it.  Its got some awesome Megadeth-related stuff, song commentaries, interviews blah blah.  Sadly, they stopped updating it after Rude Awakening was released.  But its still a good read.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 09, 2009, 04:34:38 PM
I spent a lot of time at The Realms of Deth when I was younger.  Google it.  Its got some awesome Megadeth-related stuff, song commentaries, interviews blah blah.  Sadly, they stopped updating it after Rude Awakening was released.  But its still a good read.

Ah yeah, I remember reading that back when I frequented the Megadeth forums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on November 09, 2009, 04:51:24 PM
I didn't know you're a fan of Megadeth GL. Planning on going to Canadian Carnage?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 09, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
I was thinking about it for a while, but I'm not really much of a fan of the other bands playing so I couldn't justify spending all that money on a ticket. I'll see Megadeth some day.

I'm going to Megafest with Protest the Hero on the 26th though, what about you?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on November 09, 2009, 06:06:31 PM
I was thinking about it for a while, but I'm not really much of a fan of the other bands playing so I couldn't justify spending all that money on a ticket. I'll see Megadeth some day.

I'm going to Megafest with Protest the Hero on the 26th though, what about you?

Fair enough. Part of the reason I didn't go and see Disturbed a couple months back.

I was talking to Space Invader, yeah. I think I will go. I'll buy my ticket next paycheck - it's 24.50 at the store and 30 at the door, right?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 09, 2009, 06:13:13 PM
Right, but with taxes and fees and whatnot it comes to $29. SI and I are going with three other friends and we just picked up out tickets today.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Space Invader on November 09, 2009, 06:16:12 PM
Right, but with taxes and fees and whatnot it comes to $29. SI and I are going with three other friends and we just picked up out tickets today.

It will be EPIC!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 09, 2009, 06:56:03 PM
Why the hell didn't they schedule any NY/NJ/PA dates!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on November 10, 2009, 01:09:34 PM
Why the hell didn't they schedule any NY/NJ/PA dates!?!?!?!

They have not scheduled any US dates yet, thats why it's called Canadian Carnage
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MetalManiac666 on November 10, 2009, 07:13:12 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 11, 2009, 06:42:35 AM
Why the hell didn't they schedule any NY/NJ/PA dates!?!?!?!

They have not scheduled any US dates yet, thats why it's called Canadian Carnage
https://www.ticketmaster.com/search?tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search&q=megadeth&search.x=53&search.y=15  :loser:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on November 11, 2009, 08:07:12 AM
Why the hell didn't they schedule any NY/NJ/PA dates!?!?!?!

They have not scheduled any US dates yet, thats why it's called Canadian Carnage
https://www.ticketmaster.com/search?tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search&q=megadeth&search.x=53&search.y=15  :loser:


everyone knows that those states..really don't exist...its the cornbelt tour ???


Actually they have added alot of US shows but nothing in the Northeast yet.....I don't understand why people in the New England states think the world evolves around them and yes I am a northeasterner....let some other cities have their fun first...they will eventually get to us

ENDGAME TOUR
MEGADETH ~ MACHINE HEAD ~ SUICIDE SILENCE ~ ARCANIUM ~ (WARBRINGER replaces MACHINE HEAD beginning Dec 5)

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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on November 19, 2009, 02:44:40 PM
Endgame (the song) has one of the coolest intros of any Megadeth songs I find. Perfect use of spoken word (or perhaps it's a sample?), the intro riffs sets the tone for a very dystopian reality, and Dave's voice fits that mood absolutely perfectly. I can't stop listening to it :heart
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 19, 2009, 02:56:35 PM
Seeing them on February 9th with Slayer and Testament :2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 19, 2009, 04:17:51 PM
Listening to Endgame for the first time.  Sounds amazing.  Andy Sneap is the master of the metal sound.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 08, 2010, 06:45:59 PM
NECROTHREAD

David Ellefson has rejoined. Discuss.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2010, 07:05:45 PM
Now they just need Marty and Jimmy.  Discuss.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 08, 2010, 07:09:41 PM
Now they just need Marty and Nick.  Discuss.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on February 08, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
Now Dave Mustaine just needs to rejoin Metallica.  Discuss.
Fixed.
:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2010, 07:12:17 PM
Now they just need Marty and Nick.  Discuss.
Fixed.

(1) Nick was phenominal, but Jimmy is twice the drummer Nick was.
(2) "Nick was."  He can't play anymore.  That's why he left/was asked to leave.  His injury prevented him from continuing to play drums.  Why would you want someone back in your band who can no longer play his instrument?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MykeHavoc on February 08, 2010, 07:13:15 PM
Just talked to Dave at the Hail show and he didn't lead anything on about this happening. Totally crazy. Didn't expect this day to come so soon.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 08, 2010, 07:13:23 PM
Now they just need Marty and Nick.  Discuss.
Fixed.

(1) Nick was phenominal, but Jimmy is twice the drummer Nick was.
(2) "Nick was."  He can't play anymore.  That's why he left/was asked to leave.  His injury prevented him from continuing to play drums.  Why would you want someone back in your band who can no longer play his instrument?
Lars Ulrich is still in Metallica. Why not?

:splodetard:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
:lol 

(https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8945/kaneclap.gif)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on February 08, 2010, 09:00:09 PM
Shawn Drover is phenomenal, has been around a long time, and really earned his place in my opinion.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Portrucci on February 08, 2010, 09:12:42 PM
Shawn Drover is phenomenal, has been around a long time, and really earned his place in my opinion.
x2.

I am somewhat biased towards him though because a) I'm a drummer and b) he plays the same way as me (left hand on the high hat, right hand for snare)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on February 08, 2010, 11:35:48 PM
This is fuckin amazing, so fuckin awesome!!!!!!!
I'll see rust in peace live with half it's original line up, such great news!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on February 08, 2010, 11:48:45 PM
this might be geeky but i jumped up and down a few times celebrating junior's return lol
i might buy tickets to another show in the RIP tour
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LordCaptainMcKlockenstein on February 08, 2010, 11:52:13 PM
Hopefully Mustaine doesn't do something stupid and piss Ellefson off again.

Maybe this time Megadeth will keep a lineup for more than one album. Naaaaaah. ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on February 08, 2010, 11:57:33 PM
"Congrats to my bro David Ellefson for regaining his rightful place as bass player in Megadeth!"

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 09, 2010, 05:26:39 AM
This reminds me.  I had a dream that I was riding around my neighbourhood with Dave Mustaine.  I met him at his house and I had to give him back the door to his Toyota Hi-ace van (?) and then I jumped into his pick-up truck and he proceeded to drive me home.  While we were driving along I asked him where he got the idea for Lucretia from, and we were chatting and stuff, blahblah, then when I looked up I saw that he had stopped the truck outside my mother-in-law's house and I was all like "Dave Mustaine!  This is not my house lol!" then he realised too and we laughed together.  Then he took me to my real house.

Wow, Ellefson's back.  Thats cool.  Feel sorry for Lomenzo though, he was pretty kewl himself.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on February 09, 2010, 07:05:26 AM
I'm not sorry for Lomenzo I got banned from the Megadeth forums a few days after he joined the band cause he didn't like me saying he looks like a trucker. and I've been banned since then until I recently registered a new account.
I pretty much didn't like that junior was gone, I got de-modded -but not banned- from the official metallica forums for similar reasons with Trujillo in 2003 hehe
I don't take line-up changes in my favorite bands very well, its my fault.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on February 09, 2010, 07:18:20 AM
I'm not sorry for Lomenzo I got banned from the Megadeth forums a few days after he joined the band cause he didn't like me saying he looks like a trucker. and I've been banned since then until I recently registered a new account.
I pretty much didn't like that junior was gone, I got de-modded -but not banned- from the official metallica forums for similar reasons with Trujillo in 2003 hehe
I don't take line-up changes in my favorite bands very well, its my fault.
This just in - Dream Theater has had 3 different keyboard players and two different singers.


Try not to get banned  :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on February 09, 2010, 07:32:17 AM
The huge difference: I became a Dream Theater fan during the current line-up, that makes them the only DT for me, for me this is Dream Theater and the previous versions of Dream Theater are in the hisotry books, , now if it happens that someone changes now; I'd surely get banned heh
But in Jason Newsted or David Ellefson's cases they were part of my bands identity that I came to love, I don't give a flying potato fuck if their replacements were Gods of their instruments.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bombardana on February 09, 2010, 11:03:46 AM
Now I kind of wish that Jason Newsted would rejoin Metallica
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on February 09, 2010, 11:11:44 AM
I'm oh so tempted to make a Cliff Burton joke, but I won't.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 03, 2010, 07:14:17 AM
I was just cruising around Youtube this morning and found this very interesting 1984 phone interview with Mustaine..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFwtPBI4X8&feature=related
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on March 03, 2010, 02:08:53 PM
Late to party, I know, but congrats to Ellefson for rejoining The Dave Mustaine Band.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on March 03, 2010, 04:42:08 PM
I was just cruising around Youtube this morning and found this very interesting 1984 phone interview with Mustaine..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFwtPBI4X8&feature=related

Tac that reminds me quite a bit of his interview in "Get Thrashed" were he talks about having a hand in 3 of the big 4...Says Hetfield barely knew how to play, until he taught him, how Hammett more or less just copied his solos and style once in Metallica and how he influenced Kerry King, when King played in an early version of Megadeth
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 03, 2010, 04:50:53 PM
I haven't seen Get Thrashed yet, but it's on the list.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 03, 2010, 05:02:16 PM
I was just cruising around Youtube this morning and found this very interesting 1984 phone interview with Mustaine..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFwtPBI4X8&feature=related

Tac that reminds me quite a bit of his interview in "Get Thrashed" were he talks about having a hand in 3 of the big 4...Says Hetfield barely knew how to play, until he taught him, how Hammett more or less just copied his solos and style once in Metallica and how he influenced Kerry King, when King played in an early version of Megadeth
Yep I remember him saying that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on March 21, 2010, 10:49:28 PM
Just a word of warning; cover your keyboard cause these videos might be dripping win all over it.
These are from the current tour:
Dawn Patrol/Rust In Peace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QejCZefPeUM
Five Magics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XyPOP1Hbd4
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 22, 2010, 06:22:43 AM
Just a word of warning; cover your keyboard cause these videos might be dripping win all over it.
These are from the current tour:
Dawn Patrol/Rust In Peace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QejCZefPeUM
Five Magics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XyPOP1Hbd4

Five Magics was epic :2metal:

Damn do I love Chris Broderick too. He definitely has that Marty Friedman cool zeal about him and all the backups between Ellefson and him were just awesome. I wish we could clone a second Chris so he could still be with Nevermore.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 22, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
Just a word of warning; cover your keyboard cause these videos might be dripping win all over it.
These are from the current tour:
Dawn Patrol/Rust In Peace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QejCZefPeUM
Five Magics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XyPOP1Hbd4

Five Magics was epic :2metal:

Damn do I love Chris Broderick too. He definitely has that Marty Friedman cool zeal about him and all the backups between Ellefson and him were just awesome. I wish we could clone a second Chris so he could still be with Nevermore.
I'm assuming your YouTube username is blakfloyd?

EDIT: Dave's Rust In Peace V is FUCKING AWESOME :2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 23, 2010, 02:34:48 PM
I was watching an interview with Dave Ellefson and he said that he already picked his successor (for HAIL!), and they'll be announcing it shortly. He didn't say anything about if that will be very soon, or when he feels he's too old or he just wants to quit. I was surprised when he said that though, knowing that he won't be with them to the end.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 23, 2010, 02:39:28 PM
I was watching an interview with Dave Ellefson and he said that he already picked his successor, and they'll be announcing it shortly. He didn't say anything about if that will be very soon, or when he feels he's too old or he just wants to quit. I was surprised when he said that though, knowing that he won't be with them to the end.

Sorry, what is this referring to?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 23, 2010, 02:46:34 PM
I was watching an interview with Dave Ellefson and he said that he already picked his successor, and they'll be announcing it shortly. He didn't say anything about if that will be very soon, or when he feels he's too old or he just wants to quit. I was surprised when he said that though, knowing that he won't be with them to the end.

Sorry, what is this referring to?
You mean like what interview? https://www.examiner.com/x-1854-NY-Hard-Rock-Music-Examiner~y2010m3d21-Exclusive-Hard-Rock-Examiner-interview-with-David-Ellefson-of-Megadeth
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 23, 2010, 03:32:22 PM
I don't have time to watch a ten minute interview, what's the gist of it? Because from your "successor" post, I got the impression that he was leaving the band even though he just got there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 23, 2010, 03:41:06 PM
I don't have time to watch a ten minute interview, what's the gist of it? Because from your "successor" post, I got the impression that he was leaving the band even though he just got there.
Yeah exactly. He said he already picked a successor, but said nothing else, other than they would announce him/her soon. It may mean that he is leaving the band after this tour and the American Carnage one, or that it is just for when he leaves the band/chooses to stop/gets kicked out/any other scenario.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MykeHavoc on March 23, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
I believe he's referring to Hail and not Megadeth in the interview in regards to a successor.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 23, 2010, 07:29:39 PM
I believe he's referring to Hail and not Megadeth in the interview in regards to a successor.
Now that I think about it, this seems more logical and relevant seeing as how HAIL! was talked about in the interview.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on March 23, 2010, 08:44:32 PM
Ellefson is gonna be leaving again?! why?! I seem to be the only one who just found out about this..
That's just depressingly pointless.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 23, 2010, 08:44:53 PM
Ellefson is gonna be leaving again?! why?! I seem to be the only one who just found out about this..
That's just depressingly pointless.
I believe he's referring to Hail and not Megadeth in the interview in regards to a successor.
Now that I think about it, this seems more logical and relevant seeing as how HAIL! was talked about in the interview.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 23, 2010, 08:48:22 PM
Do NOT scare me like that. EVER AGAIN.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 23, 2010, 08:49:34 PM
Edited the original post for the sake of all future readers' nervous systems.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on March 23, 2010, 09:52:23 PM
Ohhh I see, damn it Birch heh
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 24, 2010, 05:11:18 PM
Ohhh I see, damn it Birch heh
Uh oh, am I getting an expression named after me now?  :lol

DAMMIT BIRCH!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 29, 2010, 11:04:54 AM
New song is called "Sudden Death" and is around 5:00 long.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 29, 2010, 11:42:58 AM
New song is called "Sudden Death" and is around 5:00 long.  :metal

You really gotta start giving your posts some more context. What's all this about?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 29, 2010, 11:46:38 AM
New song is called "Sudden Death" and is around 5:00 long.  :metal

You really gotta start giving your posts some more context. What's all this about?
They recorded a new song with Ellefson for some unknown project (to the public) and are releasing it soon.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 29, 2010, 11:47:03 AM
New song is called "Sudden Death" and is around 5:00 long.  :metal

You really gotta start giving your posts some more context. What's all this about?
They recorded a new song with Ellefson for some unknown project (to the public) and are releasing it soon.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on April 07, 2010, 05:18:12 PM
Just gave Youthanasia a re-listen today and I came to the conclusion that is the best album they did back in the 90s (Behind Rust in Peace, of course) and their best non-Thrash Metal album. Pure fucking Golden Heavy Metal.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on April 07, 2010, 05:24:40 PM
Just gave Youthanasia a re-listen today and I came to the conclusion that is the best album they did back in the 90s (Behind Rust in Peace, of course) and their best non-Thrash Metal album. Pure fucking Golden Heavy Metal.

Agreed. Countdown is a better technical album (and in my MD top-3), but Youth is darker, which I like better.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on April 07, 2010, 05:26:22 PM
I go back and forth between those two.  I like 'em both.  ...and of course, with Risk being #4.  ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 07, 2010, 07:50:56 PM
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on April 07, 2010, 08:17:35 PM
It may be better and a lot more  :metal, but I just happen to like Youthanasia most; it seems more consistent, inspired and darker (As Samsära said) to me than Countdown. Don't get me wrong: I love Countdown and its kick-ass songs such as the now-classic Skin O' My Teeth or Captive Honour, but some songs seem kinda forced to me, a thing that doesn't happen in Youthanasia IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on April 08, 2010, 12:05:02 AM
I saw them live a couple of weeks ago on the RIP 20th Anniversary tour, wrote a long ass post about it but I couldn't post it in this thread https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=12151.0
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 08, 2010, 12:36:19 AM
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia

YOU LIE
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on April 08, 2010, 12:39:50 AM
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia

YOU LIE

Yes he lies.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on April 08, 2010, 12:57:26 AM
Countdown To Extinction is probably my favorite metal album of all time.  I'm sure nearly everyone will think that's crazy, but hey, we've all got to have a favorite metal album -- and Countdown is mine.  I wear the mantle proudly.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on April 08, 2010, 05:26:12 AM
Just gave Youthanasia a re-listen today and I came to the conclusion that is the best album they did back in the 90s (Behind Rust in Peace, of course) and their best non-Thrash Metal album. Pure fucking Golden Heavy Metal.

Agreed. Countdown is a better technical album (and in my MD top-3), but Youth is darker, which I like better.

I just youtubed a bunch of Youthanasia tunes yesterday. They sound much better than I remembered. If I can get it cheap, I'll probably pick up a copy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: PixelDream on April 08, 2010, 05:28:25 AM
I'm not a Megadeth fan at all, but I just listened to all of Rust in Peace again, and it's extremely fun to listen to. Very nice break from all the uber-heavy metal stuff nowadays.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on April 08, 2010, 08:22:52 AM
I'm not a Megadeth fan at all, but I just listened to all of Rust in Peace again, and it's extremely fun to listen to. Very nice break from all the uber-heavy metal stuff nowadays.

This is one of the few CD's that stay in my car, others get rotated in and out
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 08, 2010, 03:16:39 PM
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia

YOU LIE

Yes he lies.

SNEAKYBLUEBERRY LIES
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 08, 2010, 04:09:32 PM
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia

YOU LIE

Yes he lies.

SNEAKYBLUEBERRY LIES

Youthanasia is way better.  Better solos, better vocal melodies, better smell and taste. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on April 08, 2010, 04:26:06 PM
Countdown To Extinction >>>>>>>>>> Youthanasia

YOU LIE

Yes he lies.

SNEAKYBLUEBERRY LIES

Youthanasia is way better.  Better solos, better vocal melodies, better smell and taste. 

You truth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LordCaptainMcKlockenstein on April 08, 2010, 10:16:26 PM
Countdown is one CD that has aged horribly for me. It's the CD that got me into metal and, nowadays, I can only listen to maybe half the songs on it. Sure the other half are awesome, but the others? Ugh.

Youthanasia is far more consistent, with none of Countdown's highs, but none of its extreme lows.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 09, 2010, 02:47:41 PM
I don't think I stressed this enough:
Countdown To Extinction > Youthanasia
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 09, 2010, 06:21:00 PM
When did Birch Boy the n00b abandon reason for madness?












MADNESS?!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 09, 2010, 06:24:05 PM
Youthanasia has some awesome songs and I really like it. Countdown To Extinction is better. Anyone who disagrees can have ashes in their mouth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on April 09, 2010, 07:32:06 PM
Youthanasia has some awesome songs and I really like it. Countdown To Extinction is better. Anyone who disagrees can have ashed in their mouth.
You failed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 09, 2010, 07:40:18 PM
Youthanasia has some awesome songs and I really like it. Countdown To Extinction is better. Anyone who disagrees can have ashes in their mouth.
You failed.
I don't know what you speak of.
 ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on April 10, 2010, 12:03:33 AM
He speaks of your failure.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 10, 2010, 09:03:36 AM
It seems I am in the minority here...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on April 10, 2010, 12:17:44 PM
Megadeth Premiered the video for The Right To Go Insane, the song/video is based on a true story:

"On May 17, 1995, a U.S. Army veteran and unemployed plumber in San Diego, Shawn Timothy Nelson, snapped and stole an M60 Patton tank from a nearby National Guard Armory. He drove down the highway, crushing cars, fire hydrants and an RV before he was stopped and killed by police.

The headline-grabbing story forms the basis of Megadeth's new video for "The Right to Go Insane", the second single from the band's acclaimed 2009 disc "Endgame". In the clip, which surprisingly features no performance footage, frontman Dave Mustaine is filmed sneaking onto a military facility, stealing a tank and playing crash-up derby through the streets. Video footage from the cockpit shows him singing and laughing, while shots from a surveillance helicopter depict a missile gunsight tracking him as he pillages."

'The Right To Go Insane' - Video Premiere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuFPPnpftqU
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on April 10, 2010, 01:41:12 PM
Dave Mustaine riding a tank throughout a whole city?


 :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on April 10, 2010, 01:50:25 PM
The guy in the green shirt @ 2:04 mark is Mustaine's son!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on April 11, 2010, 12:12:59 AM
The riff in that song is still a good one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on April 12, 2010, 11:02:01 AM
I don't think I stressed this enough:
Countdown To Extinction > Youthanasia

This
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 12, 2010, 04:12:50 PM
I don't think I stressed this enough:
Countdown To Extinction > Youthanasia

This

:victorydance:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 12, 2010, 04:45:09 PM
Wrong. Both of you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 12, 2010, 04:47:09 PM
Wrong. Both of you.

Wrong. All of you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on April 12, 2010, 05:36:18 PM
Birch and Lat are correct.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 12, 2010, 05:49:50 PM
Birch and Lat are correct.
:victorydance: :victorydance:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 12, 2010, 10:52:38 PM
Birch and Lat are gay together.
:victorydance: :victorydance:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on April 13, 2010, 09:24:32 PM
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_teJ7XIoJ29E/SHlFFnNFkyI/AAAAAAAAAFc/5qp6OqAFUtE/s400/592px-megadeth-youthanasia.jpg)
It's better.


IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 14, 2010, 12:27:06 AM
Youthanasia: It just tastes better.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on April 14, 2010, 02:58:34 AM
I dunno, I haven't listened to Youthanasia in a LONG time. I bought the remaster early last month to Countdown To Extinction and it's great. I used to really enjoy Youthanasia too so it may be a tie for me.

Production on Youthanasia is pretty cool too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on April 16, 2010, 10:12:31 AM
Birch and Lat are gay together.
:victorydance: :victorydance:
Admit it, you're just jealous.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 16, 2010, 03:26:23 PM
Youthanasia is the stronger album. This is not up for debate.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on April 16, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
Youthanasia is the stronger album. This is not up for debate.
I filibuster this conclusion.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 17, 2010, 06:24:36 AM
Youthanasia is way better.  Better solos, better vocal melodies, better smell and taste. 

And let's not forget the space age polymers  :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 17, 2010, 07:49:24 AM
Youthanasia is the stronger album. This is not up for debate.
I filibuster this conclusion.
I concur if filibuster means "completely disagree with."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: glaurung on April 17, 2010, 07:51:32 AM
I don't think I stressed this enough:
Countdown To Extinction > Youthanasia

This

This
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on April 21, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
Well I just listened to Youthanasia, it's got more weaker tracks than Countdown. Around the first 10 tracks are the only worthy ones, I'm not sure about the title track though. Aren't all title tracks meant to be pretty good?
I actually like all the tracks on Countdown, so Countdown To Extinction > Youthanasia.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on April 22, 2010, 10:19:35 AM
Youthanasia, it's got more weaker tracks than Countdown.
Yeah, pretty much this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on April 22, 2010, 10:23:44 AM
Youthanasia, it's got more weaker tracks than Countdown.
Yeah, pretty much this.
Thirded.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 22, 2010, 05:25:02 PM
I'm not sure about the title track though. Aren't all title tracks meant to be pretty good?

I love the chorus, I think its one of the best set of lyrics Mustaine ever wrote.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on April 24, 2010, 01:09:54 PM
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.

I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!

Holy Wars bitches

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on April 24, 2010, 11:00:23 PM
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.

I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!

Holy Wars bitches

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf

I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup

Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on April 25, 2010, 03:25:36 AM
Didn't check them out entirely, but I've heard some of their famous songs(Hangar 18, Peace Sells, Symphony of Destruction...) and for me at least, Metallica is much more attracting. It's probably because I prefer James' vocal.

btw Metallica here is defined as [Kill 'em All - Black Album].
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on April 25, 2010, 03:27:37 AM
Well I think all Metallica fans should get into Megadeth, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 25, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
Well I think all Metallica fans should get into Megadeth, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on April 25, 2010, 11:51:46 AM
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.

I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!

Holy Wars bitches

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf

I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup

Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.

Thanks mate! :biggrin:

Spider III represent.

Yep, it's restrung to be lefty. I got this guitar when I was just starting my second year of my fifth of playing. At first, I was really worried about the knobs and switch being in my way. I somehow figured out how to work around them. My next guitar will be a lefty version of JP's 7 sring. I'm excited to have such a phenomenal guitar on top of it actually being made for me. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on April 26, 2010, 04:00:57 AM
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.

I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!

Holy Wars bitches

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf

I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup

Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.

Thanks mate! :biggrin:

Spider III represent.

Yep, it's restrung to be lefty. I got this guitar when I was just starting my second year of my fifth of playing. At first, I was really worried about the knobs and switch being in my way. I somehow figured out how to work around them. My next guitar will be a lefty version of JP's 7 sring. I'm excited to have such a phenomenal guitar on top of it actually being made for me. :lol

Yeah, best thing to get would be a real lefty. When I started I wanted a lefty Strat restrung for right hand :lol What a Hendrix noob I was.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on April 26, 2010, 05:01:11 PM
Listening to "Blood Of Heroes" right now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on April 26, 2010, 05:21:20 PM
Youthanasia may not be their best, but I've always held the opinion that Dave's vocals have never been better than they are on that album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on April 26, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.

I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!

Holy Wars bitches

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf

I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup

Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.

Spider III represent.

Also, what settings do you use?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 26, 2010, 07:43:16 PM
Youthanasia may not be their best, but I've always held the opinion that Dave's vocals have never been better than they are on that album.

So very true!  His voice is majestic on that album.  The vocal performance and production Addicted to Chaos is amazing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: popol on April 27, 2010, 07:04:15 PM
Well I think all Metallica fans should get into Megadeth, and vice versa.

Metallica Fans should also get into Exodus' Bonded By Blood. It's sounds much more like Metallica than Megadeth's music does.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 04, 2010, 03:29:44 PM
in other news

TWNAH > System > Endgame > UA
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 04, 2010, 03:43:49 PM
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.

I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!

Holy Wars bitches

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf

I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup

Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.

Spider III represent.

Also, what settings do you use?

Well, I'm in class so this is off the top of my head. I'm changing my crunchy distortion tone all the time.

Insane (red model)
Drive 60%
Bass 40%
Mid 30%
Treb 60%
Channel volume always at 55% or so
... ish
Also, no effects or reverb

TWNAH > System > Endgame > UA

Good to see Hero being loved, but unfortunately your ranking is incorrect.

System > EndGame > TWNAH > UA
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on May 04, 2010, 03:44:25 PM
in other news

TWNAH > System > Endgame > UA

wait what
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 04, 2010, 04:00:08 PM
Endgame > The System Has Failed > The World Needs A Hero
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 04, 2010, 04:07:46 PM
I posted this on the Musicians forum, but decided to toss it here as well.

I just recently got my line-in audio working for my recordings yay!

Holy Wars bitches

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=387052445879&ref=mf

I have the same amp :metal Even hearing the first 10 seconds of this songs makes me remember all the times I had fun listening to this song. The guitar tone is spot on, the playing is well rehearsed for sure and you have that King V restrung for your lefty playing style?! Looks like the controls would get in your way of playing. I have a Rhoads and the controls are a bit low for me but hey they're fun as shit to play :tup

Btw my line in is sorta fucked up, I need some tips to make the recording sound hi-fi and stereo again. For some reason it's shit as.

Spider III represent.

Also, what settings do you use?

Well, I'm in class so this is off the top of my head. I'm changing my crunchy distortion tone all the time.

Insane (red model)
Drive 60%
Bass 40%
Mid 30%
Treb 60%
Channel volume always at 55% or so
... ish
Also, no effects or reverb
My absolute favorite tone (as of now):
Insane (red)
Drive 100%
Bass 100%
Mid 30%
Treb 100&
Channel Volume 100%
Slight touch of delay.

I need to try out your tone though, sounds like it could be pretty crunchy.

Also, Endgame > The World Needs a Hero > United Abominations >>>> The System Has Failed
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on May 04, 2010, 04:36:58 PM
Endgame is the best album from Megadeth since Youthanasia. Hands down.

Whoever said Youthanasia has Mustaine's best vocals, you're spot-on. Totally agree.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 06, 2010, 02:31:41 AM
I'm with you Youthanasia but The System Has Failed is by far the best Megadeth album since then.
Endgame is good but that collection of songs VS The Scorpion, Blackmail The Universe, Die Dead Enough, Kick The Chair and Kingdom of Deth, lyrically, arrangement wise and riff composition are flawless heavy metal songs in my book, I can't find 4 flawless songs on Endgame frankly, there are awesome bits here and there and there're a couple of well thought near flawless songs like Endgame and The Right To Go Insane but nothing that really stands up to the songs on The System Has Failed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 06, 2010, 06:00:48 PM
This Day We Fight, How the Story Ends, Headcrusher, The Hardest Part of Letting Go, Bodies, and 44 Minutes would like a word with you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 06, 2010, 07:16:59 PM
This Day We Fight, How the Story Ends, Headcrusher, The Hardest Part of Letting Go, Bodies, and 44 Minutes would like a word with you.
Este
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on May 06, 2010, 07:53:52 PM
This Day We Fight, How the Story Ends, Headcrusher, The Hardest Part of Letting Go, Bodies, and 44 Minutes would like a word with you.
Ésto.
Fix'd. And seconded.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 06, 2010, 08:01:41 PM
This Day We Fight, How the Story Ends, Headcrusher, The Hardest Part of Letting Go, Bodies, and 44 Minutes would like a word with you.
Ésto.
Fix'd. And seconded.
Gracias amigo  ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 08, 2010, 03:47:53 AM
Gimme a break man, these songs are cool but none of them stand up to the heavy melodic and amazing arrangements on TSHF, the lyrical content! I feel I don't even have to day this, just listen to the songs I mentioned and the ones you mentioned and no doubt you'll see my point.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on May 08, 2010, 07:47:01 AM
Ok so I've almost finished listening to Risk because I do remember some people talking about it in here.

I think it is a good album, better than ReLoad and some of Load (did I really have to compare now?) but I still fucken love Killing Is My Business, Peace Sells, and Rust In Peace. So Far, So Good and Countdown have some good parts and moments too. Megadeth still deliver for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on May 08, 2010, 11:21:11 PM
Ok so I've almost finished listening to Risk because I do remember some people talking about it in here.

I think it is a good album, better than ReLoad and some of Load (did I really have to compare now?)

They can't really be compared, the styles are completely different.  :|
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 08, 2010, 11:45:20 PM
Yeah, Risk is actually some really good music. Load and ReLoad are...not.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on May 09, 2010, 01:41:33 AM
Yeah, Risk is actually some really good music. Load and ReLoad are...not.

Actually, yes. You are right on this one, the Loads weren't as fun to listen to either for me. I figured it out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 13, 2010, 05:49:07 PM
Have you guys heard this? Yikes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIgBxINL4b0&feature=PlayList&p=D9D513DE9F8B6691&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=24
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 13, 2010, 06:27:05 PM
Have you guys heard this? Yikes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIgBxINL4b0&feature=PlayList&p=D9D513DE9F8B6691&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=24
It started out okay, but then he tried to much.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on May 13, 2010, 10:13:13 PM
(https://epicponyz.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/batman-was-at-first-like.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on May 15, 2010, 09:21:21 PM
That was God awful
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on May 16, 2010, 09:35:55 PM
Have you guys heard this? Yikes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIgBxINL4b0&feature=PlayList&p=D9D513DE9F8B6691&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=24

Oh God, his voice is not suited to that type of song. I think I'll go on a Megadeth binge to make up for it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 16, 2010, 10:53:53 PM
That. Was. AMAZING

-ly bad.

DiAnno is an idiot.  Acoustic version of Wrathchild?  NO THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 16, 2010, 11:10:38 PM
That was painful to hear, can't believe his producer or even sound engineer didn't say something to make him change his mind about this heh
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on May 17, 2010, 01:04:27 AM
That was painful to hear, can't believe his producer or even sound engineer didn't say something to make him change his mind about this heh
:lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 19, 2010, 10:47:21 PM
Another bump for the Megadeth thread.

So I finally got around to downloading ... buying.... Final Cut Express and decided to give multitrack an attempt.

Behold the She-Wolf instrumental section yay

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=395109405879
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 20, 2010, 12:54:43 AM
Another bump for the Megadeth thread.

So I finally got around to downloading ... buying.... Final Cut Express and decided to give multitrack an attempt.

Behold the She-Wolf instrumental section yay

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=395109405879

Nothing short of awesome, great choice of instrumental section to do this with, great timing and you've done a fine job with the multi tracker, loved it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on May 20, 2010, 08:52:31 AM
Yep, very well done. :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 20, 2010, 09:11:11 AM
Thanks yall :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MetalManiac666 on May 27, 2010, 10:53:15 PM
Another bump for the Megadeth thread.

So I finally got around to downloading ... buying.... Final Cut Express and decided to give multitrack an attempt.

Behold the She-Wolf instrumental section yay

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=395109405879

That was damn awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 28, 2010, 10:53:53 PM
Endgame is the best album from Megadeth since Youthanasia. Hands down.

Whoever said Youthanasia has Mustaine's best vocals, you're spot-on. Totally agree.

Cryptic Writings is easily his best vocals. They are more mature sounding and aren't too whiny (I don't mind the whiny sounding vocals at all either), yet still have Mustaine's characteristics.

This is a good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR3X--Y6pig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR3X--Y6pig)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 28, 2010, 11:15:53 PM
I think my favorite Megadeth vocals are on Endgame. Dave's voice just sounds so much fuller than previous album, which kind of had a little bit of emptiness to the sound of his voice (not the lyrical content, just his voice).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 29, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
I think my favorite Megadeth vocals are on Endgame. Dave's voice just sounds so much fuller than previous album, which kind of had a little bit of emptiness to the sound of his voice (not the lyrical content, just his voice).

Eh, he's kinda talking more than he is singing on Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on May 29, 2010, 11:45:34 PM
I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 30, 2010, 01:20:15 AM
I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.

Not really a fan of the vocals on SFSG..SW myself.  Listening to In My Darkest Hour yesterday, the vox were the only bad thing about it.  But in other parts of that album he sounds fantastic.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on May 30, 2010, 03:22:38 AM
I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.

Not really a fan of the vocals on SFSG..SW myself.  Listening to In My Darkest Hour yesterday, the vox were the only bad thing about it.  But in other parts of that album he sounds fantastic.

He nailed that song imo, sounds like his heart and soul were put into it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on May 30, 2010, 03:55:14 AM
I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.

I can: The World Needs a Hero.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 30, 2010, 10:47:06 AM
I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.

Not really a fan of the vocals on SFSG..SW myself.  Listening to In My Darkest Hour yesterday, the vox were the only bad thing about it.  But in other parts of that album he sounds fantastic.

He nailed that song imo, sounds like his heart and soul were put into it.
This

I'd say his voice is pretty consistent throughout his career. Can't think of any bad places really.

I can: The World Needs a Hero.
That song is good, and so are the vocals.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on May 30, 2010, 03:19:04 PM
That song is good, and so are the vocals.

I was referring to the whole album. I don't like that album at all. Everything about it falls flat for me, the vocals included.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 30, 2010, 03:47:40 PM
That song is good, and so are the vocals.

I was referring to the whole album. I don't like that album at all. Everything about it falls flat for me, the vocals included.
Oh, well my my statement still stand, just substitute "song" with "album"  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 30, 2010, 05:18:44 PM
Dread and The Fugitive Mind is freaking awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 30, 2010, 07:07:51 PM
Dread and The Fugitive Mind is freaking awesome.
'Tis. Other highlights are "The World Needs A Hero" and "Recipe For Hate... Warhorse".
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on May 30, 2010, 07:27:13 PM
The World Needs A Hero is probably the worst overall effort, but the title track and Recipe For Hate were pretty cool. 1000 Times Goodbye has some humour value to it especially when you sing along.
Dread and The Fugitive Mind is freaking awesome.
And that's about it :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 30, 2010, 08:07:18 PM
Dread and The Fugitive Mind is freaking awesome.
:tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on May 31, 2010, 04:10:24 PM
Recipe for Hate, 1000TG, The title track and DATFM are very good. Promises is also a great song and would be better if it didn't had that unfitting guitar solo that comes from nowhere and goes nowhere. I still consider it the worst effort Megadeth has put to date.


And now for something a little bit different: THE WOOOOOOORLLLD NEEEEEEEEEEDS A HEEEEEEERRROOOO
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2010, 04:26:19 PM
The World Needs a Hero was the last Megadeth album I heard (couldn't find it ANYWHERE), and it's one of my favorites. Losing My Senses is a pretty boring song, but the rest of the album is unequivocal win.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 31, 2010, 04:37:02 PM
And it's not like "When" parodies other songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2010, 04:43:34 PM
It doesn't parody songs. Dave Mustaine fully intended for it to sound like Am I Evil?. He even talked to Sean Harris about it, I think (Or maybe it was Brian Tatler. I can't remember).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 31, 2010, 04:46:04 PM
It doesn't parody songs. Dave Mustaine fully intended for it to sound like Am I Evil?. He even talked to Sean Harris about it, I think (Or maybe it was Brian Tatler. I can't remember).
I find it funny that Metallica and Megadeth "used" it on some way, and that Megadeth blatanly rips off "Enter Sandman" in that song as well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on May 31, 2010, 04:46:46 PM
Mustaine's vocals are as big of a part of Megadeth's sound as the music they played....as soon as you heard it you knew it was Megadeth....I have no problem with his vocals on any of the albums.....


As far as his vocals on my Darkest Hour I have no problem's I actually feel very connected to the song and his vocals

The pain, the pain, the pain
Won't you hold me again
You just laughed, ha-ha, bitch
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2010, 04:47:07 PM
It doesn't parody songs. Dave Mustaine fully intended for it to sound like Am I Evil?. He even talked to Sean Harris about it, I think (Or maybe it was Brian Tatler. I can't remember).
I find it funny that Metallica and Megadeth "used" it on some way, and that Megadeth blatanly rips off "Enter Sandman" in that song as well.
...

Show me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 31, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
It doesn't parody songs. Dave Mustaine fully intended for it to sound like Am I Evil?. He even talked to Sean Harris about it, I think (Or maybe it was Brian Tatler. I can't remember).
I find it funny that Metallica and Megadeth "used" it on some way, and that Megadeth blatanly rips off "Enter Sandman" in that song as well.
...

Show me.
It also kinda rips off "The Call Of Ktulu"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2010, 04:49:27 PM
Mustaine wrote that intro to Ktulu.

Where does it sound like Enter Sandman?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 31, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
Mustaine wrote that intro to Ktulu.
Touche on that one, I can't argue (although my point is that it sounds like something Metallica did... which I'm not saying is bad, I'm just saying it).

Where does it sound like Enter Sandman?
My mistake, maybe it's another song on the album that sounds like the prayer part of "Enter Sandman"

Ultimetalhead wins again
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2010, 05:05:11 PM
Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.

I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 31, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.

I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point.  :sad:

AND "eloquent"? WTF IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2010, 05:17:31 PM
Fluent speaking, using cool words.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 31, 2010, 05:18:51 PM
Quote from: SuperDude
Ultimetalhead wins this thread
SO ELOQUENT
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
Yeah, but I'm not eliminating that quote, as it was my first thread winning. You have to come up with a really good one to knock out Arcaeus. I need an eloquent one if you hope to replace Lat's as well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 31, 2010, 05:20:35 PM
Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.

I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point.  :sad:

Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right.   I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something?  I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2010, 05:22:19 PM
Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.

I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point.  :sad:

Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right.   I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something?  I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
That's the one, but that was twisted slightly (and awesomely I might say).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on May 31, 2010, 05:23:12 PM
Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.

I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point.  :sad:

Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right.   I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something?  I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
That's it! :44 of "Go To Hell" has the same prayer as "Enter Sandman". So that was completely irrelevant to the argument that I was trying to make, so oh well. But thanks sneakyblueberry  :tup.

EDIT: Damn ninja  :censored
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on May 31, 2010, 06:40:45 PM
The problem is that Enter Sandman was released until 1991 (And was written in 1990), same year in which Go to Hell saw the light as a part of some soundtrack which name I don't remember (Which means it was also written in 1990). Could be possible that both of the groups had the same idea at the same time? That'd be cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on June 02, 2010, 08:55:09 PM
So I was pretty stumped on what to listen to just then, I put on The World Needs A Hero but I started it with Silent Scorn instead. It feels better that way as an album opener imo :tup I also remember Return To Hangar was a stupid sequel, maybe the worst track on there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on June 02, 2010, 10:48:23 PM
When is horrible, Return to Hangar is really bad but When is plain horrible.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on June 02, 2010, 11:03:44 PM
Yeah they're both the worst tracks off the album, but I remember a long time ago I read on Wiki that When was a/an homage to 'Am I Evil?'. I listened to the album today and it's okay in most parts, a few tracks have sections which seem like they're just riffing along like a guitarist and drummer would be doing together as a boring jam.
According to WMP11 I last listened to this album on 19 July 2009.

Now for a better track listing would be Silent Scorn at track 1. The tracks that should have been scrapped are Return To Hangar, When, and probably Promises. That song also doesn't feel right on the album.
That would make it 9 tracks at 40 minutes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 04, 2010, 07:46:16 PM
If any song should have been left off that album, it's Losing My Senses. Return to Hangar is awesome. When is awesome. Promises is awesome. You people are insane. That is all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 28, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 28, 2010, 11:35:34 PM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 28, 2010, 11:36:40 PM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:

T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 28, 2010, 11:41:09 PM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:

T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
:P

Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 28, 2010, 11:42:47 PM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:

T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
:P

Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2

Failblog?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 29, 2010, 12:04:35 AM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:

T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
:P

Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2

Failblog?
lolfail

Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 29, 2010, 12:08:35 AM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:

T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
:P

Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2

Failblog?
lolfail

Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028

Well...if they're playing secret shows..how do you know that they're playing a secret show?! Like..if I leave the gig tomorrow night, how do I know if they're playing later on again?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 29, 2010, 12:16:39 AM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:

T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
:P

Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2

Failblog?
lolfail

Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028

Well...if they're playing secret shows..how do you know that they're playing a secret show?! Like..if I leave the gig tomorrow night, how do I know if they're playing later on again?
You don't... that's why it's a secret  :-X
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 29, 2010, 12:21:30 AM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:

T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
:P

Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2

Failblog?
lolfail

Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028

Well...if they're playing secret shows..how do you know that they're playing a secret show?! Like..if I leave the gig tomorrow night, how do I know if they're playing later on again?
You don't... that's why it's a secret  :-X

piss me off haha
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 29, 2010, 12:22:22 AM
Anyone else grab the Heavy Metal Memoirs, the Dave Mustaine autobiography? He did a signing in Toronto tonight, so I went by, picked it up, and had it signed. 4 chapters in, it's pretty fuckin cool!
If I had money I'd get it, and the nearest book signing is over an hour away from me, so I'm not going.

Anyway, t-minus sixteen days 'til I see them with Slayer and Testament! :2metal:

T-Minus 17 hours til I see them with Slayer and Testament!
:P

Also: David and Shawn at Secret Show in Montreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6V9ieM1T4&videos=9tD_Bj6ADdE&playnext=2

Failblog?
lolfail

Sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7CpP3QovwU&playnext=1&videos=HlvbNfaJ028

Well...if they're playing secret shows..how do you know that they're playing a secret show?! Like..if I leave the gig tomorrow night, how do I know if they're playing later on again?
You don't... that's why it's a secret  :-X

piss me off haha
No spoilers after the show tomorrow please!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 29, 2010, 11:41:49 PM
Won't spoil anything, but it was amazing! Megadeth and Slayer were FLAWLESS. Testament is better on CD than live though, I found... unless it was just their live engineer that mixed them weird... but yeah...GET EXCITED!

Here's a pic...

(https://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/Scard_02/100_1882.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 29, 2010, 11:56:04 PM
(https://i30.tinypic.com/2hqqzk9.jpg)
(https://i30.tinypic.com/24186sz.jpg)
(https://i28.tinypic.com/1z5j2wo.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 29, 2010, 11:58:01 PM
(https://i26.tinypic.com/mr7bdd.jpg)
(https://i30.tinypic.com/6t0310.jpg)
(https://i29.tinypic.com/w2o9pv.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 29, 2010, 11:59:10 PM
(https://i30.tinypic.com/35jc9av.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 12:11:49 AM
(https://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7161/md10.jpg)
(https://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8476/md11.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 12:13:32 AM
(https://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7909/md12.jpg)
(https://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2161/md13.jpg)
(https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8565/md14x.jpg)
(https://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6684/md15.jpg)
(https://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6312/md16.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 30, 2010, 12:20:48 AM
All from Toronto?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 12:29:54 AM
I dunno, I'm just posting pictures someone else posted about the show..not from here. I wouldn't think Dave wore two different shirts though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on July 30, 2010, 12:53:05 AM
Man, seeing all those live pics with Junior on bass makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. So glad he's back. His rightful place is standing on stage next to Dave.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 12:54:17 AM
From the book signing in Toronto:
(https://a.imageshack.us/img148/8206/484093848712d801e40bb.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on July 30, 2010, 12:57:51 AM
Clever. :metalol:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 30, 2010, 01:02:57 AM
I dunno, I'm just posting pictures someone else posted about the show..not from here. I wouldn't think Dave wore two different shirts though.

He did wear 2 different shirts. He changed from the white to black at some point.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 01:05:36 AM
I dunno, I'm just posting pictures someone else posted about the show..not from here. I wouldn't think Dave wore two different shirts though.

He did wear 2 different shirts. He changed from the white to black at some point.

Oh

Well there you go.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 30, 2010, 01:09:22 AM
He hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 01:14:29 AM
He hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha

What happened?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 30, 2010, 01:15:56 AM
He hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha

What happened?

She went up and was like "must get kinda boring sitting here for 2 hours signing books" and Dave said "well, everyone once in a while you get someone like you that comes and spices things up" then signed Dave Mustaine XO in her book (which is actually my book...)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 01:18:20 AM
He hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha

What happened?

She went up and was like "must get kinda boring sitting here for 2 hours signing books" and Dave said "well, everyone once in a while you get someone like you that comes and spices things up" then signed Dave Mustaine XO in her book (which is actually my book...)
:rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on July 30, 2010, 02:38:47 AM
Dave Quagmire!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 30, 2010, 10:19:11 AM
He hit on my girlfriend at that signing... haha

What happened?

She went up and was like "must get kinda boring sitting here for 2 hours signing books" and Dave said "well, everyone once in a while you get someone like you that comes and spices things up" then signed Dave Mustaine XO in her book (which is actually my book...)
:rollin

:rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 12:06:27 PM
The guy with the long curly hair, glasses and sleeveless shirt at 1:00 looks a lot like someone I know. They'll know who I'm talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNOAXUkLsPA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNOAXUkLsPA)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 30, 2010, 12:13:22 PM
heh that's pretty funny. I was a little further away at that point though. Slowly made my way up
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 12:17:39 PM
heh that's pretty funny. I was a little further away at that point though. Slowly made my way up

Is my book in the mail?  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 30, 2010, 01:02:03 PM
No I forgot, take it easy
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 01:03:11 PM
No I forgot, take it easy
:/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 02:16:47 PM
Is that you?

(https://i32.tinypic.com/15qp24i.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on July 30, 2010, 02:22:20 PM
Not including anything from Rust in Peace, "Addicted to Chaos" is the best them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 30, 2010, 03:17:06 PM
Not including anything from Rust in Peace, "Addicted to Chaos" is the best them.
lolno

Not including Rust In Peace, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? would surely have the best them song. "Peace Sells", "Devil's Island", "Good Mourning/Black Friday", etc...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on July 30, 2010, 03:57:30 PM
Is that you?

(https://i32.tinypic.com/15qp24i.jpg)

No
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 04:56:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnpSjAcj5ek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnpSjAcj5ek)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 30, 2010, 04:58:21 PM
Just listened to Rust In Peace this morning, continuing my run-through of their discography to prepare for the concert on August 12th  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on July 30, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
Just listened to Rust In Peace this morning, continuing my run-through of their discography to prepare for the concert on August 12th  :metal

Definitely their best, and not just because it's their most progressive.

....No, wait, that's exactly why.

 :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 30, 2010, 06:50:35 PM
Just listened to Rust In Peace this morning, continuing my run-through of their discography to prepare for the concert on August 12th  :metal

Definitely their best, and not just because it's their most progressive.

....No, wait, that's exactly why.

 :metal
I agree  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 30, 2010, 06:54:45 PM
Epic performance of The Conjuring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8RyqOJn0_g&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8RyqOJn0_g&feature=related)

Lucretia for the same show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhXHcG8NTDg&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhXHcG8NTDg&feature=related)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on July 30, 2010, 07:57:46 PM
Saw Slayer/Megadeth/Testament on Monday night.

Megadeth...I had a mixed response to. To be frank, throughout ALL of Rust In Peace, I could barely hear Dave. It was as if he was shying away from the mic, and it made a big difference in my appreciation of the album live. Technically, they were spot on though.

Thankfully, during the encore (Trust, A Tout Le Monde, Head Crusher, Peace Sells), he picked up, and all four songs were amazing! I loved them live, although I was disappointed Slayer finished, and can't wait to see them again.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 31, 2010, 02:32:02 AM
Not including anything from Rust in Peace, "Addicted to Chaos" is the best them.

Agreed man, I love that song!  Great vocal performance.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 31, 2010, 08:30:45 AM
Listening to Countdown To Extinction to continue my discography run-through. I think I might've overplayed it a bit last year, but it's still awesome  :tup.

Also, if everyone wouldn't mind, can spoilers about the American Carnage tour be put in very small font (like 2), because I (and probably some others) hate spoilers. I know with all the information about this tour well-known (Rust In Peace and Seasons In The Abyss played in their entireties, and Testament playing a lot of their heavy stuff from The Formation Of Damnation, Low, and the like), I'd still like the encores and other setlist songs to be at least a bit of a surprise.

It could be that I'm justing being selfish, but if others want spoilers smaller than I think we should do it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on July 31, 2010, 01:54:50 PM
as a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.
 :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 31, 2010, 01:59:33 PM
as a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.
 :metal

That's cool.

My friend found an original 1990 Guatemalan pressing of Rust In Peace at a record show for twenty bucks, and he bought it. I was very jealousy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on July 31, 2010, 02:04:59 PM
as a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.
 :metal

That's cool.

My friend found an original 1990 Guatemalan pressing of Rust In Peace at a record show for twenty bucks, and he bought it. I was very jealousy.
epic  :metal

Once I went into a record store and saw an perfect condition copy of Peace Sells and I almost fainted.
I took it and went to the cashier when I found out that I forgot my wallet. I told the sales guy to hold it for an hour so I could get my wallet at home. I got my wallet from home and arrived at the store to find out that the salesman sold it to another guy........
 











:(







Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 31, 2010, 03:33:44 PM
as a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.
 :metal

That's cool.

My friend found an original 1990 Guatemalan pressing of Rust In Peace at a record show for twenty bucks, and he bought it. I was very jealousy.
epic  :metal

Once I went into a record store and saw an perfect condition copy of Peace Sells and I almost fainted.
I took it and went to the cashier when I found out that I forgot my wallet. I told the sales guy to hold it for an hour so I could get my wallet at home. I got my wallet from home and arrived at the store to find out that the salesman sold it to another guy........
 











:(








I would've lost it right then. I wouldn't even know what to say to the salesguy  >:(.

A similar thing happened to me. After a Sacred Oath gig, a guy was selling records near the door. Right before their set, I quickly looked through them and saw some definite buyers (all vintage) like Iron Maiden's Piece Of Mind, Judas Priest's Sin After Sin, and also Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?. Afterwards I went back to pick some of them up, and this guy's looking through them for like ten minutes straight, picking out record after awesome record. Finally, he steps to the side, leaving about 1/4 of the records gone. So I start going through them, pick up POM, and the guy goes, "OH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT! CAN I HAVE IT?" So out of the goodness of my heart I gave it to him. A minute later I pick up PS...BWB?, and the same thing happens, and I hand it over, majorly regretting it minutes later. That was kinda anticlimactic, but yeah that's what happened. I ended up settling with Ozzy Osbourne's Bark At The Moon, so not all hope was lost.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on July 31, 2010, 03:38:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKjm7_tueeM

What's with his voice in this vid?  I like a bunch of Megadeth songs, though no albums, but this vid is just silly.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 31, 2010, 03:41:22 PM
Dave's 'snarling' vocals have really been annoying me lately, like in the video above. During the Big Four theater movie, I was actually laughing because he sounds so bad doing it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on July 31, 2010, 03:43:00 PM
He's not snarling, he's trying to be Matt Bellamy or something.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 31, 2010, 03:43:46 PM
It annoys me a lot, whatever it is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on July 31, 2010, 05:33:58 PM
as a lp collector i'm proud to have an original first pressing and also in mint condition copy of So far, So Good, So What.
 :metal

That's cool.

My friend found an original 1990 Guatemalan pressing of Rust In Peace at a record show for twenty bucks, and he bought it. I was very jealousy.
epic  :metal

Once I went into a record store and saw an perfect condition copy of Peace Sells and I almost fainted.
I took it and went to the cashier when I found out that I forgot my wallet. I told the sales guy to hold it for an hour so I could get my wallet at home. I got my wallet from home and arrived at the store to find out that the salesman sold it to another guy........
 











:(








I would've lost it right then. I wouldn't even know what to say to the salesguy  >:(.

A similar thing happened to me. After a Sacred Oath gig, a guy was selling records near the door. Right before their set, I quickly looked through them and saw some definite buyers (all vintage) like Iron Maiden's Piece Of Mind, Judas Priest's Sin After Sin, and also Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?. Afterwards I went back to pick some of them up, and this guy's looking through them for like ten minutes straight, picking out record after awesome record. Finally, he steps to the side, leaving about 1/4 of the records gone. So I start going through them, pick up POM, and the guy goes, "OH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT! CAN I HAVE IT?" So out of the goodness of my heart I gave it to him. A minute later I pick up PS...BWB?, and the same thing happens, and I hand it over, majorly regretting it minutes later. That was kinda anticlimactic, but yeah that's what happened. I ended up settling with Ozzy Osbourne's Bark At The Moon, so not all hope was lost.

Ah, damn that sucks.
I know how you feel.
Once I was at this record store and at the section where the metal LP's are, was this unbelievably beautiful girl. she was browsing through the records. I started looking through the crates with the records and I found a first edition of Black Sabbath's Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. I was really happy that I found it. She noticed this and started talking to me that I was lucky that I found that record. She went on that it was one of her favorite albums and you know......
So I gave it to her. and we kept talking and gave me her phone number saying that she was very grateful. I felt great and forgot about the record. A few days later I called the number and it wasn't her number.



I felt so stupid........
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MetalManiac666 on July 31, 2010, 05:36:12 PM
Wow, owned.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on July 31, 2010, 05:52:26 PM
Once I found the Red Ranger and his cycle at Wal-Mart. I had it in my hands and was so happy, but as soon as I set it down, this kid came by and snatched it. I've regretted putting that toy down ever since..................................... :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on July 31, 2010, 05:54:48 PM
 :lol to the overall combination of the last three posts
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on July 31, 2010, 06:22:23 PM
Once I found the Red Ranger and his cycle at Wal-Mart. I had it in my hands and was so happy, but as soon as I set it down, this kid came by and snatched it. I've regretted putting that toy down ever since..................................... :neverusethis:
:rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 31, 2010, 07:07:02 PM
Once I found the Red Ranger and his cycle at Wal-Mart. I had it in my hands and was so happy, but as soon as I set it down, this kid came by and snatched it. I've regretted putting that toy down ever since..................................... :neverusethis:

It was for your own good, you know.  You'd shoot your eye out, kid!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 01, 2010, 07:30:22 PM
*snip*

Welcome back, buddy! Here to stay?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 02, 2010, 07:35:38 PM
I might have pit tickets for the next show in Phx.  :2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on August 02, 2010, 09:23:16 PM
*snip*

Welcome back, buddy! Here to stay?

We'll see. Casual basis only as of now ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 09:23:35 PM
I might have pit tickets for the next show in Phx.  :2metal:
:2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on August 02, 2010, 10:08:56 PM
I'm too broke to go to the Phoenix show. :(
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 10:24:57 PM
I'm almost just getting out of my four-month long concert debt of about $400.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 05, 2010, 11:49:43 AM
Mustaine interview at Chapters in Toronto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THLGe4yrJ0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THLGe4yrJ0s)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 05, 2010, 12:29:17 PM
I might have pit tickets for the next show in Phx.  :2metal:
:2metal:
:metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 05, 2010, 12:30:46 PM
Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.

I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point.  :sad:

Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right.   I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something?  I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
That's it! :44 of "Go To Hell" has the same prayer as "Enter Sandman".

Uh...you guys are aware, aren't you, that that is a commonly known children's prayer and has been around for a couple of hundred years?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_I_Lay_Me_Down_To_Sleep  Other than perhaps what is referred to as "the Lord's prayer," it is probably the most famous prayer in existence.  :lol


Oh, and a note to those who mentioned earlier in the thread that they think The World Needs A Hero is a weak album:  If you don't like the songwriting, I won't try to persuade you.  But at the very least, go back and listen to the album and focus just on the drums, and then come back and tell me Jimmy DeGrasso doesn't put on an absolute drum clinic on that album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 05, 2010, 12:55:51 PM
Oh, and a note to those who mentioned earlier in the thread that they think The World Needs A Hero is a weak album:  If you don't like the songwriting, I won't try to persuade you.  But at the very least, go back and listen to the album and focus just on the drums, and then come back and tell me Jimmy DeGrasso doesn't put on an absolute drum clinic on that album.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 05, 2010, 01:26:42 PM

Oh, and a note to those who mentioned earlier in the thread that they think The World Needs A Hero is a weak album:  If you don't like the songwriting, I won't try to persuade you.  But at the very least, go back and listen to the album and focus just on the drums, and then come back and tell me Jimmy DeGrasso doesn't put on an absolute drum clinic on that album.

:tup

DeGrasso, IMO, was the best drummer Megadeth had.

He makes it look so effortless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knURb5U5Rmk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knURb5U5Rmk)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 05, 2010, 01:43:30 PM
Cool video. Love that quip at the end: "Y'know, basic rudiments, really."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 07, 2010, 12:07:21 PM
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge."  :lol

Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 07, 2010, 12:14:59 PM
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge."  :lol

Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.

Whoops
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 07, 2010, 01:46:02 PM
Oh, and a note to those who mentioned earlier in the thread that they think The World Needs A Hero is a weak album:  If you don't like the songwriting, I won't try to persuade you.  But at the very least, go back and listen to the album and focus just on the drums, and then come back and tell me Jimmy DeGrasso doesn't put on an absolute drum clinic on that album.

Seconded.
Thirded.

Well, there is a section at the beginning of When where it's spoken word, and Mustaine says "my prayers are never answered". I could see making a link, but musically, I don't see one. I can't think of another section on the entire album that sounds like the prayer section though.

I would sig that, but you need to be more eloquent with it. :p
Damnit now I need to listen to every Megadeth song to find the one so I can prove my point.  :sad:

Megadeth put the same prayer into a cover they did, you're right.   I think it was 'Go To Hell' or something?  I saw it on the VH1 Megadeth doco.
That's it! :44 of "Go To Hell" has the same prayer as "Enter Sandman".

Uh...you guys are aware, aren't you, that that is a commonly known children's prayer and has been around for a couple of hundred years?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_I_Lay_Me_Down_To_Sleep  Other than perhaps what is referred to as "the Lord's prayer," it is probably the most famous prayer in existence.  :lol
I knew it was a legitimate prayer, but it's just funny how many coincidences there are when it comes to things like that when you compare Metallica's and Megadeth's music.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 07, 2010, 05:45:14 PM
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge."  :lol

Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.

 :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 07, 2010, 06:02:07 PM
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge."  :lol

Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.

 :metal
That's awesome!

T-minus five days to seeing them!  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 08, 2010, 02:30:41 AM
Best live recorded version of Holy Wars. Yes/yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 12, 2010, 04:10:39 PM
Got a signed copy of Dave's autobiography. Finished reading it this afternoon; took a total of 3 days to read.

It's very in depth (as it should) and really makes you understand how and why Dave was, and how he's still trying to keep on the straight and narrow path today. I have to admit though, that most  of the significant events mentioned in the book, I pretty much knew about already, just not this much in depth. But there's also a lot of stories I didn't know about either.

I won't give too much away (mainly because I suck at writings reviews), but it's a really great book, regardless if I already knew some stuff. And to the the thick headed people who don't want to let go of his past and refuse to accept his positive present, this will be an eye opener for them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 12, 2010, 04:11:27 PM
Got a signed copy of Dave's autobiography. Finished reading it this afternoon; took a total of 3 days to read.

It's very in depth (as it should) and really makes you understand how and why Dave was, and how he's still trying to keep on the straight and narrow path today. I have to admit though, that most  of the significant events mentioned in the book, I pretty much knew about already, just not this much in depth. But there's also a lot of cool stories I didn't know about either.

I won't give too much away (mainly because I suck at writings reviews), but it's a really great book, regardless if I already knew some stuff. And to the the thick headed people who don't want to let go of his past and refuse to accept his positive present, this will be an eye opener for them.

Why do I always do that... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 12, 2010, 04:28:20 PM
Yeah, I'll probably pick it up the next time I get the chance.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 12, 2010, 04:43:33 PM
Funny moments in the book too. Some because of the stories, and some how Dave narrates some stuff. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 13, 2010, 05:40:40 AM
is the book worth it?
I'm thinking of picking it up.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on August 13, 2010, 08:37:08 AM
I've got it too. It's definitely worth it if you like reading biographies of musicians. It's not well written or anything, but it's comedic and insightful and got me hooked on Megadeth for a few days (I've not really listened to them for years). It details the Metallica stuff, which was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 13, 2010, 09:11:29 AM
I got the biography today. Going to read through it in about 5 minutes, while spinning much Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: CJkins on August 13, 2010, 10:29:03 AM
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge."  :lol

Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.

Dude, that's INSANE. Did he say something interesting? I wanna hear.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 14, 2010, 12:41:47 AM
I just chatted with Dave in the chat on Megadeth's website about 9 hours ago for 10 minutes. Just him, a chat mod and I. I was freaking out, I didn't know what to say, I could hardly type properly. Just had a casual conversation though. Asked each other how we're doing, asked where I was from etc...Then he was away for a minute because he was "getting something some fridge."  :lol

Funny thing is, is it's not even a chat to talk to the band, but it's been said Dave likes to go in the the non-band chat every once in a while to say hello.

Dude, that's INSANE. Did he say something interesting? I wanna hear.

Naw, he didn't say anything interesting. The stuff you quoted from me is basically what he said to me. Then he was saying some other stuff to the chat mod, but I don't remember what.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 14, 2010, 12:45:45 AM
I'll re read the book sometime. Probably not too soon, because I'm much too familiarized with it right now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on August 14, 2010, 01:49:43 AM
I got the biography today. Going to read through it in about 5 minutes, while spinning much Megadeth.

You can listen to music and read at the same time? I wish I could do that. 9 times out of 10, the music distracts me too much and I don't absorb what I'm reading.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on August 14, 2010, 01:51:49 AM
I got the biography today. Going to read through it in about 5 minutes, while spinning much Megadeth.

You can listen to music and read at the same time? I wish I could do that. 9 times out of 10, the music distracts me too much and I don't absorb what I'm reading.

I'm the same, I need complete silence to be able to read. I've had concentration problems for many years though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on August 14, 2010, 04:36:47 AM
I can read with music on very soft. This helps me focus more, as having a consistant wall of music, I find, is better than hearing foosteps and sneezing and coughing and whatever else from brother and mother.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 14, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
Saw them Thursday, it was fucking awesome! Dave sounded much better doing his 'snarls' live than he sounds in videos, like on "Tornado Of Souls" and the like. The songs they played after Rust In Peace kicked ass, and they surprised me a lot with one, which is one of my favorite Megadeth songs :metal. It really was a great show.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on August 14, 2010, 05:10:58 PM
Just downloaded the autobiography onto my Kindle app and am enjoying it immensely so far.  I've been waiting for Dave to write this book for a while, and it looks like it's not going to disappoint. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 14, 2010, 05:17:52 PM
Just downloaded the autobiography onto my Kindle app and am enjoying it immensely so far.  I've been waiting for Dave to write this book for a while, and it looks like it's not going to disappoint. 
So I take it you won't be seeing him on his signing tour? :loser:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on August 14, 2010, 05:19:32 PM
Just downloaded the autobiography onto my Kindle app and am enjoying it immensely so far.  I've been waiting for Dave to write this book for a while, and it looks like it's not going to disappoint. 
So I take it you won't be seeing him on his signing tour? :loser:
I was going to have him sign my Bible instead.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 14, 2010, 05:19:56 PM
Just downloaded the autobiography onto my Kindle app and am enjoying it immensely so far.  I've been waiting for Dave to write this book for a while, and it looks like it's not going to disappoint. 
So I take it you won't be seeing him on his signing tour? :loser:
I was going to have him sign my Bible instead.
:metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 14, 2010, 06:55:39 PM
Does anyone else besides me not really give a shit about Junior's return??
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 14, 2010, 07:46:09 PM
Does anyone else besides me not really give a shit about Junior's return??
No. You obviously underestimate the gravity of the situation.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 14, 2010, 08:12:06 PM
Does anyone else besides me not really give a shit about Junior's return??
No. You obviously underestimate the gravity of the situation.
This, he got almost as big of an applause as Dave did Thursday night
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 14, 2010, 08:14:31 PM
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 14, 2010, 08:17:06 PM
Does anyone else besides me not really give a shit about Junior's return??
No. You obviously underestimate the gravity of the situation.

Oh no, I understand the severity of the situation believe me. 

Oh well, guess it's just me then.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on August 14, 2010, 08:39:07 PM
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.
Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 14, 2010, 08:40:54 PM
Without a shadow of a doubt. Miles ahead of Fistful of Metal. Decent gap between it, Kill 'Em All, and Show No Mercy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 14, 2010, 08:45:11 PM
It was definitely a grower on me. At first I liked it, but now I love it. :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on August 14, 2010, 09:30:14 PM
Without a shadow of a doubt. Miles ahead of Fistful of Metal. Decent gap between it, Kill 'Em All, and Show No Mercy.
And all the more impressive when you consider Mustaine contributed almost half of Kill 'Em All as well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on August 14, 2010, 11:03:15 PM
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.
Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?

Show No Mercy is pretty tight....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 14, 2010, 11:24:39 PM
Show No Mercy doesn't have "Looking Down the Cross" so it's not THAT tight. ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 14, 2010, 11:28:32 PM
Ah, but KIMB doesn't have Black Magic.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MykeHavoc on August 14, 2010, 11:34:33 PM
The band was excellent tonight. Truly one of the tightest outfits in the genre right now...although Dave's vox are a bit whack. No one really listens to them for his impressive range though anyway.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 14, 2010, 11:47:39 PM
The band was excellent tonight. Truly one of the tightest outfits in the genre right now...although Dave's vox are a bit whack. No one really listens to them for his impressive range though anyway.
I agree. But...


FUCKIN' SLAYER!!!! :dimitrius: \M/ \M/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on August 15, 2010, 12:10:29 AM
The band was excellent tonight. Truly one of the tightest outfits in the genre right now...although Dave's vox are a bit whack. No one really listens to them for his impressive range though anyway.
I agree. But...


FUCKIN' SLAYER!!!! :dimitrius: \M/ \M/

I also enjoyed Slayer more than Megadeth when I saw them. I'm not a fan of Chris Broderick(way too mechanical, every solo was spot on, but lacked any type of feeling), or Mustaine's new vocals(or lack thereof). Slayer, on the other hand, sounded exactly the same as they always have and were amazing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 15, 2010, 12:25:10 AM
The band was excellent tonight. Truly one of the tightest outfits in the genre right now...although Dave's vox are a bit whack. No one really listens to them for his impressive range though anyway.
I agree. But...


FUCKIN' SLAYER!!!! :dimitrius: \M/ \M/

I also enjoyed Slayer more than Megadeth when I saw them. I'm not a fan of Chris Broderick(way too mechanical, every solo was spot on, but lacked any type of feeling), or Mustaine's new vocals(or lack thereof). Slayer, on the other hand, sounded exactly the same as they always have and were amazing.
I agree that Dave's voice was in decline, but I still enjoyed it live. I also think Chris is great (although I'm not a guitar player so I lack the understanding of every little thing he does or doesn't do). But Slayer was just... fantastic. They were SUPER tight, and SUPER fast, which made for an incredible performance. The stage show was also awesome. Thirty eight amps on stage = :2metal:.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 15, 2010, 12:47:35 AM
Ah, but KIMB doesn't have Black Magic.
Damnit, you're right.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on August 15, 2010, 06:11:16 AM
(https://www.megadeth.com/images/bigfour-450.jpg)

I wish there was no one between Mustaine and Papa Het.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 15, 2010, 08:02:40 AM
 :lol I love Kerry. He looks like he couldn't possibly care less.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MykeHavoc on August 15, 2010, 09:18:41 AM
Eh, I enjoy Slayer, but...I mean...there was little to no life on that stage when they played. I know Tom's neck is fucked so he can't headbang, but Kerry and Jeff just kinda traded places every ten minutes and that was it. The most entertaining member was Dave and he's stuck behind a giant drum kit all night. Plus...Kerry goes out of tune from all his whammy wankery and doesn't even have the sense to tune up between songs. That makes me cringe. Plus I hate their tone on the last few records and they keep that live. Far too dry.
It was great to see Seasons in its entirety, but if I see'em again, I'd like a varied set with a good mix of tracks. No Disciple made me sad.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 15, 2010, 11:23:08 AM
Yeah, Dave easily made the show. Especially during his drum breaks. Kerry King did his usual headbanging, Tom couldn't really do anything, and Hanneman kinda just stood there. But 'twas awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 15, 2010, 02:51:11 PM
I'm Jealous
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 16, 2010, 10:33:49 PM
From the show I saw the other night:
(https://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/megadeth/izodcenter/1.jpg)
Epic picture is epic
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 17, 2010, 10:58:27 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 17, 2010, 11:00:20 PM
I didn't take it, just in case I was getting false credit
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on August 18, 2010, 09:42:48 AM
Picture was before Headcrusher I bet.

Show was awesome. Missed Testament. :( Megadeth was pretty cool. Dave can't sing anymore. His snarles are there though. Slayer was...well...Slayer. I was actually too far right to see Lomardo, or the crosses. I noticed those from watching videos of the show. It was great though because Kerry King threw me a pick! :metal

Seasons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fIvHRrRQhg

Angel of Death: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efoMmYXvIXI

I also bought a Slayer shirt which was totally badass and a boot outside which is even more badass.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MykeHavoc on August 18, 2010, 09:51:22 AM
Yeah, WTF was with Testament starting early at every show it seems? I got on the floor for their last song. Standing outside, they started at least ten minutes earlier then scheduled. I was so bummed, as Testament is my favorite of the 3 bands.

Oh, and Dave Ellefson is one of the sweetest, coolest, most down to earth guys I have ever had the pleasure to meet. Very humble, and he deserves the Megadeth paycheck.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 18, 2010, 10:20:37 AM
Picture was before Headcrusher I bet.
Probably not, considering he's not wearing his guitarmor. It looks more like what he did right before his final bow.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on August 25, 2010, 09:19:51 AM
Was just watching the proshot of Rock in Rio 2010, Chris Brodrick is a monster, he plays the solos so acurate to the album versions, I haven't been this happy about a Megadeth line-up since Menza was gone, I hope current Megadeth line-up stays to the end.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.
Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
It's not even close to Kill 'Em All. What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on August 25, 2010, 11:34:46 AM
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.
Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
It's not even close to Kill 'Em All. What are you talking about?
KIMB > KEA
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 25, 2010, 11:35:34 AM
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.
Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
It's not even close to Kill 'Em All. What are you talking about?
I agree with this
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 25, 2010, 03:25:21 PM
Killing is My Business is such an awesome album.
Can we agree probably the best debut album from any of the big 4?
It's not even close to Kill 'Em All. What are you talking about?
Quite right. KIMB is about 50 times better.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2010, 03:35:42 PM
UMH, I think you posted in the wrong thread. The Offbeat Opinions is down the page. Now I like Megadeth as much as the next guy, but KIMB is a garbled mess.

KIMB is why I never took Megadeth seriously back in the mid 80's. Hell, even Show No Mercy is better.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 25, 2010, 03:38:57 PM
UMH, I think you posted in the wrong thread. The Offbeat Opinions is down the page. Now I like Megadeth as much as the next guy, but KIMB is a garbled mess.

KIMB is why I never took Megadeth seriously back in the mid 80's. Hell, even Show No Mercy is better.
If this is the case I'll have to direct you to the same place.  ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2010, 03:43:12 PM
Meet ya there! :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on August 25, 2010, 04:04:39 PM
I actually came in here to post that Show No Mercy beats KIMB but I see that TAC beat me to it :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2010, 04:05:57 PM
I actually came in here to post that Show No Mercy beats KIMB but I see that TAC beat me to it :tup
As usual, old man! :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 25, 2010, 06:06:16 PM
Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good! is just like their business, good.
Kill 'Em All is awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 25, 2010, 10:26:21 PM
I'd take KIMB over KEA any day.  Sure the production on KIMB is pretty shoddy, but the quality of songs is much better, IMO.

There was something I was thinking about Megadeth today that I was supposed to put in this thread... but I've forgotten it.  Dang.


EDIT: Oh yeah, I remember now:

YOUTHANASIA IS THE BEST THEM!!!!!

The outro of Reckoning Day where everything fades out and the drums still beating every second bar is so freaking badass its not funny.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on August 26, 2010, 04:12:00 AM
KIMB is a bad debut album that contains one of my top 3 megadeth songs..
MEAN AND INFECTIOUS!!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 26, 2010, 11:25:17 AM
FYI, for all the droogies in here, I'm going to be starting a Megadeth survivor shortly so I hope you'll all come out to vote.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 26, 2010, 11:27:24 AM
Only ones I can't vote during are Risk, Cryptic Writings, and United Abominations. I'll be avidly participating in all others though. :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 26, 2010, 11:31:57 AM
Only ones I can't vote during are Risk, Cryptic Writings, and United Abominations. I'll be avidly participating in all others though. :tup

I can understand why you might not be able to vote during the Risk and Cryptic Writings rounds, but you really need to listen to United Abominations. Including Endgame, it's their strongest album since Countdown to Extinction IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 26, 2010, 11:43:59 AM
I've heard cumulatively probably half of it, and know that it's great, I just don't have it yet. It'll probably be by next Megadeth CD purchase though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 26, 2010, 12:17:32 PM
Megadeth is really a hit & miss band for me.  I classify their albums this way.

REALLY like and would consider about as good as ANYTHING by just about ANY band in my collection:
-RIP
-Countdown
-Youthanasia
-Hidden Treasures
-Risk

Enjoy some songs every now and then:
-Cryptic Writings
-The World Needs a Hero

As far as the rest, the newer albums are okay, but never really grabbed me as a whole.  I still listen every now and then, but for some reason, these never really clicked with me.  The older albums pre-RIP never clicked either, but I prefer the new stuff to the old if I had to choose.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on August 26, 2010, 12:56:40 PM
bösk1:

(https://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9008/screenshot20100826at255.png)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 26, 2010, 01:22:17 PM
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track.  But otherwise, the album does little for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 26, 2010, 02:37:46 PM
 :|
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 26, 2010, 05:52:28 PM
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track.  But otherwise, the album does little for me.
Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.

Also,  :metal at the prospect of a Megs survivor.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2010, 05:55:16 PM
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track.  But otherwise, the album does little for me.
Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.


I agree with Bosk, but I'll add Wake Up Dead and Devil's Island to this list of goodness.  The rest of the album never really clicked with me. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 26, 2010, 05:57:26 PM
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track.  But otherwise, the album does little for me.
Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.


I agree with Bosk, but I'll add Wake Up Dead and Devil's Island to this list of goodness.  The rest of the album never really clicked with me. 
Good Mourning/Black Friday desperately wants a word with you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2010, 05:58:31 PM
Haha.  Probably just didn't give the album a fair chance.  Wake Up Dead and Devil's Island I already loved after listening to Rude Awakening for like 6 months straight.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 26, 2010, 06:04:29 PM
Give it a fair chance, for fuck's sake. It's so good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on August 26, 2010, 06:56:05 PM
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track.  But otherwise, the album does little for me.
Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.


I agree with Bosk, but I'll add Wake Up Dead and Devil's Island to this list of goodness.  The rest of the album never really clicked with me. 
Good Mourning/Black Friday desperately wants a word with you.
ITS BLACK FRIDAY!
PAINT THE DEVIL ON THE WALL!
 :metal

Definitely one of Megadeth's best introductions to a song ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 26, 2010, 07:01:29 PM
Only ones I can't vote during are Risk, Cryptic Writings, and United Abominations. I'll be avidly participating in all others though. :tup

I can understand why you might not be able to vote during the Risk and Cryptic Writings rounds, but you really need to listen to United Abominations. Including Endgame, it's their strongest album since Countdown to Extinction IMO.
Ugh, United Abominations is awful.  Risk, OTOH, gets way too much crap and about half of Cryptic Writings is worth listening to. The other half? Meh.

Good Mourning/Black Friday desperately wants a word with you.
Aside from "I Ain't Superstitious," that entire album is fantastic. It's probably the perfect thrash album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2010, 07:14:38 PM
Regarding Peace Sells, My Last Words is my second fave Megadeth tune..after In My Darkest Hour.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 26, 2010, 07:41:15 PM
Yes, I know it's got an awesome album cover and a decent title track.  But otherwise, the album does little for me.
Whoa, man. That's pretty controversial.


I agree with Bosk, but I'll add Wake Up Dead and Devil's Island to this list of goodness.  The rest of the album never really clicked with me. 

Yeah, I like the live versions of those as well, but the album versions just sound flat to me.  Anyhow, I'm not saying it's a bad album.  Just doesn't do anything for me.  Part of it is probably the production.  Part is that the songwriting just isn't what I personally like.  Anyhow, doesn't matter.  They've got plenty of material that I do like.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 26, 2010, 07:44:54 PM
The remaster is the way to go.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2010, 08:18:46 PM
The first 3 Megadeth albums are the only ones that benefitted from the catalogue remaster, IMO.  RiP onwards really didn't need any touching up, and I can't say I enjoy any of the remasters more than the original pressings.  The only good thing on the Youth remaster was that they got rid of that godawful shaker that was on pretty much EVERY FREAKING TRACK!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 26, 2010, 08:21:24 PM
Speaking of Youth', Black Curtains is one of hte most overlooked moshalicious songs ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 26, 2010, 11:02:13 PM
The first 3 Megadeth albums are the only ones that benefitted from the catalogue remaster, IMO.  RiP onwards really didn't need any touching up, and I can't say I enjoy any of the remasters more than the original pressings.  The only good thing on the Youth remaster was that they got rid of that godawful shaker that was on pretty much EVERY FREAKING TRACK!

I like the shaker on the originals.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on August 26, 2010, 11:09:18 PM
Random, but during the chorus of the original Mastermind, the growling voice that says "Mastermind" is cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2010, 11:25:03 PM
The first 3 Megadeth albums are the only ones that benefitted from the catalogue remaster, IMO.  RiP onwards really didn't need any touching up, and I can't say I enjoy any of the remasters more than the original pressings.  The only good thing on the Youth remaster was that they got rid of that godawful shaker that was on pretty much EVERY FREAKING TRACK!

I like the shaker on the originals.

Once you know its there, its so hard to not notice it.  Ruined the album for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 26, 2010, 11:27:19 PM
Random, but during the chorus of the original Mastermind, the growling voice that says "Mastermind" is cool.

Mastermind might be the best song on Cryptic.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
Disintegrators FTW
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 27, 2010, 06:13:08 AM
Speaking of Youth', Black Curtains is one of hte most overlooked moshalicious songs ever.

That riff is addicting.

Disintegrators FTW

Agreed!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2010, 08:20:34 AM
Black Curtains > Victory may be one of the best one-two-punch album closers ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 27, 2010, 08:31:34 AM
I don't know..I'd still take Liar-Hook In Mouth over them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2010, 08:32:17 AM
That's fine.  I didn't say it is necessary the best.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 27, 2010, 08:39:09 AM
Right you did say one of the best...I'm more of a skimmer than a reader :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on August 27, 2010, 11:25:03 AM
I think I'm in the minority here, but I actually enjoy KIMB production a whole lot. Brings out the thrashtasticness of the album imo

And it is MILES better than KEA
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on August 27, 2010, 01:26:25 PM
Black Curtains > Victory may be one of the best one-two-punch album closers ever.
I wouldn't say ever, but "Victory" is a really cool song.

I don't know..I'd still take Liar-Hook In Mouth over them.
This, if I had to pick a side.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on August 28, 2010, 03:42:40 AM
Black Curtains > Victory may be one of the best one-two-punch album closers ever.
I don't know..I'd still take Liar-Hook In Mouth over them.

I'll cast my vote for "Captive Honour" > "Ashes In Your Mouth."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on August 31, 2010, 08:51:20 PM
I've decided to rid myself of some Megadeth albums I never listen to. Those being: SFSGSW, TSHF, TWNAH, and Risk. I'm torn though. I have an ''original'' copy of KIMB (missing These Boots) and the remaster. I've been searching for the original forever, but still, I never listen to it. I don't even know why I treasure my Megadeth collection so much as they aren't that special to me anymore. So would I be losing out by trading the original or Remaster?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2010, 08:19:53 AM
@Zook:  I've traded in CD's at times in my life.  At one point, early in my Christianity, I sold off virtually all of my CD's just because I needed to re-center my life and get away from a lot of my past, and music was a link to that past.  I don't regret that decision at all.  Later, when I started rebuilding the collection, there were times when I sold back some CD's I didn't really listen to or that had ceased to really be "special."  I thought, "why bother keeping this if I don't listen to it, especially since I get get a few bucks toward something else I really do want to listen to?"  Quite a few times, I regretted it down the road when something would make me want to listen to a particular disk or song again.  Take that for what it's worth. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2010, 08:48:55 AM
Megadeth is playing tonight near me, and I can't make the show.  BUT, I may make it over to the book store this afternoon where Mustaine will be.  What should I ask him?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on September 01, 2010, 09:16:36 AM
Megadeth is playing tonight near me, and I can't make the show.  BUT, I may make it over to the book store this afternoon where Mustaine will be.  What should I ask him?
You fancy a hotdog?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 01, 2010, 09:22:49 AM
Ask him how Daffy Duck is doing. As for my CDs, I make copies of everything I'm getting rid of, but the collection part is what gets me. If it wasn't for that damn Eddie pic on the side of the Maiden remasters, I wouldn't own the Blaze albums. I don't know, without the albums I mentioned, my Megadeth collection doesn't look as nifty. But then I should only have the ones I like and listen to. DAMN MY COLLECTORNESS!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 01, 2010, 10:45:18 AM
Ask him how Daffy Duck is doing. As for my CDs, I make copies of everything I'm getting rid of, but the collection part is what gets me. If it wasn't for that damn Eddie pic on the side of the Maiden remasters, I wouldn't own the Blaze albums. I don't know, without the albums I mentioned, my Megadeth collection doesn't look as nifty. But then I should only have the ones I like and listen to. DAMN MY COLLECTORNESS!
I have CDs that I'm not particularly fond of either, but I keep them for my collection's sake
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 01, 2010, 11:00:52 AM
But I want new CDs and I don't have the money!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 01, 2010, 11:08:17 AM
I guess that's your call then.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 01, 2010, 11:16:23 AM
Unless you gave me some money >:D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 01, 2010, 12:18:46 PM
:umno:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MetalManiac666 on September 01, 2010, 12:31:41 PM
Ask him how Daffy Duck is doing. As for my CDs, I make copies of everything I'm getting rid of, but the collection part is what gets me. If it wasn't for that damn Eddie pic on the side of the Maiden remasters, I wouldn't own the Blaze albums. I don't know, without the albums I mentioned, my Megadeth collection doesn't look as nifty. But then I should only have the ones I like and listen to. DAMN MY COLLECTORNESS!
I have CDs that I'm not particularly fond of either, but I keep them for my collection's sake

This.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 01, 2010, 01:27:16 PM
Megadeth is playing tonight near me, and I can't make the show.  BUT, I may make it over to the book store this afternoon where Mustaine will be.  What should I ask him?
I told him that his music changed my life, though I'd assume that's not true for everyone.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 01, 2010, 06:48:26 PM
Ok I'm gonna keep everything up to Risk. That album has a clusterfuck of oddness, but I just can't let it go. As for KIMB, although the remaster sounds better, having the original means alot to me... For some reason. It would mean so much more if it had These Boots cause then I'd have something really rare. Anyway, I found it used in excellent condition and all it needs is a new case. Even though they've gotten better, Megadeth kind of died with Risk. Nothing after that album grabs my attention. TWNAH was crap and TSHF got old really quick. UA had Sleepwalker and Endgame didn't have anything.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 01, 2010, 06:51:49 PM
Ok I'm gonna keep everything up to Risk. That album has a clusterfuck of oddness, but I just can't let it go. As for KIMB, although the remaster sounds better, having the original means alot to me... For some reason. It would mean so much more if it had These Boots cause then I'd have something really rare. Anyway, I found it used in excellent condition and all it needs is a new case. Even though they've gotten better, Megadeth kind of died with Risk. Nothing after that album grabs my attention. TWNAH was crap and TSHF got old really quick. UA had Sleepwalker and Endgame didn't have anything.
Wrong, everywhere. Risk is awesome, TWNAH is one of their best albums, TSHF has some great songs on it, UA has Sleepwalker, Washington is Next, Gears of War, and Burnt Ice. Endgame has practically every song on the damn album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 01, 2010, 07:00:28 PM
Well, that's like your opinion, man.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 01, 2010, 07:50:54 PM
I agree with UMH that The World Needs A Hero is good.

The System Has Failed grew a lot on me, and I really like it now. The standouts being "The Scorpion", "Kick The Chair", "Blackmail The Universe", "Die Dead Enough", and "Back In The Day". All the others are good as well.

As for Endgame, I think it's definitely their best by far in a while. To me, all songs are on a pretty equal level, but "Dialectic Chaos" into "This Day We Fight!" deserves special recognition.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on September 03, 2010, 09:24:45 AM
Megadeth kind of died with Risk. Nothing after that album grabs my attention. TWNAH was crap and TSHF got old really quick. UA had Sleepwalker and Endgame didn't have anything.
Listen to the Man.
Well Endgame has 1320 and Headcrusher but the rest is forgettable.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 03, 2010, 10:18:37 AM
From TWNAH on...each album has improved immensely. UA and Engame are fantastic!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 03, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
I must be in the minority because I hate UA. TSHF was much, much better, well, at the very least it was interesting. UA just seemed like a bunch of forgettable soloing mixed with Mustaine's terrible lyrics (that are just so horribly godawful, even for Mustaine). I was disappointed when this came out, I was really into Megadeth at the time and UA just.... bleh.

TSHF may not be a thrash metal album, but it's just much, much better IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 04, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
Honestly, TSHF is right ahead of CW as their least awesome album.

Yes, I love Risk.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on September 04, 2010, 06:39:08 PM
Megadeth kicked my ass a thousand times last night. Rust in Peace...Polaris may be one of the greatest live moments of all time. Of all time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 04, 2010, 08:35:18 PM
Honestly, TSHF is right ahead of CW as their least awesome album.

Yes, I love Risk.
Risk is good. :)

UA is my least favorite of theirs and then maybe SFSGSW. That album has some great songs, but it's just all over the place in quality.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 04, 2010, 08:58:31 PM
What the hell, let's rank.

1. Rust in Peace
2. So Far, So Good, So What!
3. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
4. Killing is my Business...and Business is Good!
5. Endgame
6. United Abominations
7. The World Needs A Hero
8. Countdown to Extinction
9. Risk
10. Youthanasia
11. The System Has Failed
12. Cryptic Writings

The first 10 are nearly flawless.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on September 04, 2010, 11:21:42 PM
I'll Rank these motherfuckers:

1. Rust in Peace
1. So Far, So Good... So What! (I have to listen to both more to decide which one is better)
3. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
4. Youthanasia (Haters Gonna Hate)
5. Endgame
6. Killing is My Business... And Business is Good!
7. Countdown to Extinction
8. The System Has Failed
9. Risk
10. United Abominations
11. The World Needs a Hero
12. Cryptic Writings


What surprises me the most is realizing Cryptic Writings is the last, and being still able to have amazing songs like "She-Wolf", "The Disintegrators", "A Secret Place" or "Trust". Guess that's how good Megadeth is :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 05, 2010, 01:00:01 AM
Hmm ranking things...

1. Rust in Peace
2. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying? (these two flip-flop at times)
3. Youthanasia
4. Killing is My Business... And Business is Good!
5. The System Has Failed
6. Cryptic Writings
7. Countdown to Extinction
8. Risk
9. So Far, So Good... So What!
10. The World Needs a Hero
11. United Abominations

Haven't listened to Endgame yet.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on September 05, 2010, 03:21:36 PM
Still not 100% about these rankings, but I'll give it a shot:

1. Rust in Peace
2. Countdown to Extinction
3. United Abominations
4. The System Has Failed
5. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
6. The World Needs a Hero
7. So Far, So Good...So What!
8. Killing is My Business...and Business is Good!
9. Endgame
10. Youthanasia
11. Cryptic Writings
12. Risk

And for everyone interested, I still do intend to start that Megadeth survivor, but my Internet has been on the fritz as of late so I'm waiting for a fix before I start.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on September 05, 2010, 03:25:11 PM
1. CTE
2. PS
3. RIP
4. CW
5. Youth
6. SFSGSW
7. KIMB
8. Risk
9. Endgame
10. TSHF
11. UA
12. TWNAH
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on September 05, 2010, 03:31:07 PM
It's been a long time since I listened to anything except the first 2... but here it is anyways:
Rust in Peace

<significant quality drop>

Countdown to Extinction

<not as significant quality drop>

Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Youthanasia
United Abominations
Killing is my Business... And Business is Good!

<quality drop>

Endgame
Risk
Cryptic Writings

<quality drop>

The System Has Failed
So Far, So Good... So What!
The World Needs a Hero
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mechanix1911 on September 05, 2010, 03:50:03 PM
1. Rust in Peace
2. Peace Sells... But who's buying
3. Countdown to Extinction
4. Youthanasia
5. KIMB
6. United Abominations
7. System has failed
8. Cryptic Writings
9. Endgame
10. So far so good so what
11. Risk
12. The world needs a hero
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ravenheart on September 05, 2010, 03:52:42 PM
I'll give a shot at ranking them:

Rust In Peace
Countdown to Extinction
Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
So Far... So Good... So What!
The System Has Failed
Endgame
Youthanasia
United Abominations
Killing is My Business... And Business is Good!
The World Needs A Hero
Cryptic Writings
Risk

Something like that. I think the only legitimately bad album Megadeth have ever released is Risk. Everything else ranges from gold to really good, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 06, 2010, 12:56:25 AM
I'll only rank the ones I'm familiar enough with.

1. Rust In Peace
2. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
3. Countdown To Extinction
4. Endgame
5. Youthanasia
6. So Far, So Good... So What!
7. The System Has Failed
8. Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!
9. The World Needs A Hero
10. Hidden Treasures
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on September 10, 2010, 09:26:37 AM
1000 Times Goodbye   :metal   I know the lyrics to this tune are rather frivolous, but holy shit I can't get this tune out of my head!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on September 10, 2010, 12:35:18 PM
WE'RE NOT READY TO SEE YOU YET :metal
99 WAYS TO DIE!!!!
YEAH!!!!
99!!!
99!!!
99!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9!
99!!!!!!!



One of the best songs on HT (Doesn't compete at all with Angry Again, tho)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 10, 2010, 02:37:05 PM
99 Ways to Die slays everything else on Hidden Treasures.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on September 13, 2010, 02:48:51 PM
I didn't remember how a good song "Tears in a Vial" is, hadn't listened to it in a while. Sounds like Cryptic Writings, but a lot better :D

99 Ways to Die slays everything else on Hidden Treasures.
While this is understandable I still think Angry Again is the best them. 99WtD gets a very well deserved second place IMO
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 13, 2010, 03:00:02 PM
I actually like Breakpoint the most... nice and raw, and the chorus is awesome, and then the solos are some of the best from Megadeth
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2010, 04:02:44 PM
Overall, I don't think there is a bad track on the entire CD.  But I definitely rank the originals over the covers.  I rank them as follows:

1.  Angry Again:  Top notch song.  It's a shame they can never really seem to get it to sound right in a live setting.  IMO, Dave needs to play it the way it is played on the studio version and not monkey with it.
2.  99 Ways To Die:  VERY solid second place. 
3.  Diadems:  Very cool song.  I just love the chord progression in this.  I wish I knew music theory to be able to understand what it is musically that makes it so cool.
4.  Go To Hell:  Do Mormons describe this song as "Go To Heck?"  I've always wondered about that.
5.  Break Point:  Also very good.  This song just has a neat and different energy to it.  There is an interesting feeling of motion throughout.
6.  Paranoid:  This probably tops out the covers for me.  The original was already a solid tune.  It doesn't call for an overly dynamic singer, so Mustaine's vocals are fine.  And I like the humor they threw in at the end.

I'm not really fond of Problems or No More Mr. Nice Guy.  They're okay, but I could easily do without them. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on September 14, 2010, 08:47:02 AM
Overall, I don't think there is a bad track on the entire CD.  But I definitely rank the originals over the covers.  I rank them as follows:

1.  Angry Again:  Top notch song.  It's a shame they can never really seem to get it to sound right in a live setting.  IMO, Dave needs to play it the way it is played on the studio version and not monkey with it.
2.  99 Ways To Die:  VERY solid second place. 
3.  Diadems:  Very cool song.  I just love the chord progression in this.  I wish I knew music theory to be able to understand what it is musically that makes it so cool.
4.  Go To Hell:  Do Mormons describe this song as "Go To Heck?"  I've always wondered about that.
5.  Break Point:  Also very good.  This song just has a neat and different energy to it.  There is an interesting feeling of motion throughout.
6.  Paranoid:  This probably tops out the covers for me.  The original was already a solid tune.  It doesn't call for an overly dynamic singer, so Mustaine's vocals are fine.  And I like the humor they threw in at the end.

I'm not really fond of Problems or No More Mr. Nice Guy.  They're okay, but I could easily do without them. 
I generally agree with you. If Hidden Treasures is ever re released, it should have also One Thing from the CW era. In many ways it's better than most songs of CW and it's at the same level of Angry Again.
90's Megadeth had awesome guitar riffs, distortion, production levels and song writing.

Just the way Dave Mustaine sings 99 Ways to Die... Godly.  :heart
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2010, 09:45:00 AM
I got Hidden Treasures when it came out. Though it's short, it is very solid.

But covering No More Mr. Nice Guy and Paranoid are complete wastes of time. Sure NMMNG tied into Shocker, but even Alice's mid/late 80's band had already done great metal interpretations of his classic tracks.
You just cannot do much with those songs. If Megadeth was going to cover Alice and Sabbath, I'd prefer something like Halo Of Flies and Megalomania.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 15, 2010, 08:07:01 PM
I've made a "bootleg" disc of Hidden Treasures and a bunch of other loose ends. I call it Hidden Treasures II.

1. No More Mr. Nice Guy
2. Breakpoint
3. Go to Hell
4. Angry Again
5. 99 Ways to Die
6. Paranoid
7. Diadems
8. Problems
9. These Boots (Alternate version from The Dudes soundtrack)
10. My Creation
11. Crown of Thorns
12. New World Order (Amazing song)
13. Millennium of the Blind
14. Strange Ways
15. Absolution
16. One Thing
17. School's Out
18. Duke Nukem Theme
19. Kill the King
20. Coming Home

Still fits on a single CD. The only thing missing is Never Say Die, but I don't really care for that cover anyway.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on September 16, 2010, 03:36:28 AM

Crown of Thorns

Never heard that song before.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 16, 2010, 05:58:31 AM

9. These Boots (Alternate version from The Dudes soundtrack)
Great track!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 16, 2010, 07:08:31 AM

Crown of Thorns

Never heard that song before.

I see what you did there.  I think?  Crown of Worms, right?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on September 16, 2010, 01:51:34 PM

Crown of Thorns

Never heard that song before.

I see what you did there.  I think?  Crown of Worms, right?
:tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 16, 2010, 05:02:40 PM
Weird. I don't mess up song titles very often. Oh well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on September 16, 2010, 05:19:49 PM
Weird. I don't mess up song titles very often. Oh well.
Too much fappage.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 16, 2010, 06:27:21 PM
"Crown of Thorns" is actually one of my stepbrother's band's old songs. And a kickass one at that. :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: moffatt on September 17, 2010, 12:41:10 AM
I really like The Right to go Insane from Endgame. Guitar work is really cool and Dave's voice is killer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 17, 2010, 05:24:56 AM
I agree
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2010, 07:20:49 AM
Anyone pick up the new DVD??  It's not too bad, they rip through RIP quite nicely.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on September 17, 2010, 08:02:50 AM
Anyone pick up the new DVD??  It's not too bad, they rip through RIP quite nicely.

Intentional?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 17, 2010, 08:04:21 AM
Anyone pick up the new DVD??  It's not too bad, they rip through RIP quite nicely.

Intentional?

 :lol  Surprising no!!!  just read that back!  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 17, 2010, 01:27:43 PM
I watched a clip, and I wasn't crazy about how this looked. Is there a CD only version?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 17, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
I think so.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 17, 2010, 04:16:56 PM
There is. I saw it..... From a distance..... In a dream...... I think.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 19, 2010, 12:09:57 PM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=146302

A lot of the comments are accusing him of falling off the wagon, and before I even read the comments, I noticed that he didn't look 'normal.'
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 19, 2010, 12:52:22 PM
 :lol

Jesus christ, he looks awful!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on September 19, 2010, 02:37:30 PM
Am I the only one that thinks he's unintentionally being a little Tommy Wiseau-ish in this video?


"and we had deposited eh a former girlfriend in eh in the front lawn of eh apartment building that she and i was sharing an apartment eh i did not hit her i did not"

 :lol The camera man must have been like "This guy be TRIPPIN' BALLS!"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on September 19, 2010, 06:12:42 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one  in Tornado of Souls.

ib4rage
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on September 19, 2010, 07:36:33 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one  in Tornado of Souls.

ib4rage

Suprisingly, I agree. I've never liked Tornado of Souls as a whole, either.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on September 19, 2010, 09:34:55 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one  in Tornado of Souls.

ib4rage

Suprisingly, I agree. I've never liked Tornado of Souls as a whole, either.
RAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGE
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on September 20, 2010, 12:43:28 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one  in Tornado of Souls.

ib4rage

How? The second Holy Wars solo is just a mindless Mustaine shredfest which, although good, cannot compare to the fantastically constructed melodic and metal Friedman solo in Tornado of Souls.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 20, 2010, 01:12:19 PM
His solo in Cemetery Gates is superior to both of those.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on September 20, 2010, 05:58:54 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the 2nd guitar solo in Holy Wars...The Punishment Due is indeed superior than the one  in Tornado of Souls.

ib4rage

How? The second Holy Wars solo is just a mindless Mustaine shredfest which, although good, cannot compare to the fantastically constructed melodic and metal Friedman solo in Tornado of Souls.

Its so intense though. It just builds and builds and builds and you're like "HOLY FUCKING SHIT DID THAT JUST HAPPEN" while the ToS solo is pretty sweet, it just isn't as intense.

His solo in Cemetery Gates is superior to both of those.

lolno
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 20, 2010, 07:05:18 PM
Holy Wars' solo is pretty awesome, but Tornado of Souls kicks it in the ass and takes its virginity.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on September 20, 2010, 07:06:58 PM
*DISAGREEMENT*
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on September 20, 2010, 07:08:35 PM
*DISAGREEMENT*
On the internet? GET OUT OF HERE.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on September 20, 2010, 07:18:06 PM
BUT I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH YOU, YOU N00B


YOU'RE MESSING THIS UP
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2010, 05:45:27 AM
His solo in Cemetery Gates is superior to both of those.

Dude, that's a joke right??
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on September 21, 2010, 06:57:08 AM
His solo in Cemetery Gates is superior to both of those.
(https://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/4009/1097290-i_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 21, 2010, 08:48:28 AM
No I'm totally serious. The way he mashes all the notes together to create a jumbled wall of noise is so beautiful. Simply one of the best metal solos ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 21, 2010, 08:07:43 PM
(https://collectibles-yardsale.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/06/trolls-doll-red-hair.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on September 21, 2010, 08:30:24 PM
(https://collectibles-yardsale.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/06/trolls-doll-red-hair.jpg)
At first I was like  :|
But then I  :lol'd
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 06, 2010, 07:11:36 PM
Guy in wheelchair crowd-surfs and rocks out during Megadeth! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34cxCkswI-Y&feature=player_embedded)
HPIM1562 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ0qcyFjeNM&feature=player_embedded)

:2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal: :2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 06, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
What the fuck is up with Dave lately?

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=147276
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 06, 2010, 08:37:58 PM
He's getting kind of old.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 06, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
But he's seemed different in the past few interviews
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 06, 2010, 08:46:10 PM
Seemed pretty normal to me. I lost it when that guy was practically screaming at him.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 06, 2010, 08:50:21 PM
Yeah that was funny :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on October 07, 2010, 12:49:10 PM
He's tired, or wasted. I'll go for the first one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on October 12, 2010, 07:01:13 AM
YOUTHANASIA>Countdown to Extinction




/controversialopinionsaboutmusicthread
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 07:03:16 AM
I remember there being the quite the discussion about this many pages back. But it seems you made a typo. Here, allow me to fix that for you.

Youthanasia<COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on October 12, 2010, 07:45:34 AM
Wait we already discussed this?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on October 12, 2010, 08:21:25 AM
Wait we already discussed this?

It was several pages back, but yes.  I will go even further and say:

COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION>all the others.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on October 12, 2010, 08:49:21 AM
Wait we already discussed this?

It was several pages back, but yes.  I will go even further and say:

COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION>all the others.

(https://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/4/0/2/1277831454037.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on October 12, 2010, 08:57:22 AM
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on October 12, 2010, 09:01:18 AM
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.
Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!

Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on October 12, 2010, 09:06:08 AM
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.
Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!

Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:

Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on October 12, 2010, 09:31:38 AM
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.
Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!

Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:

Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
Of course. Just as long as we can talk about how Rust in Peace > Everything else
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on October 12, 2010, 09:37:51 AM
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.
Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!

Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:

Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
Of course. Just as long as we can talk about how Rust in Peace > Everything else

Nah...Peace Sells > Rust in Peace
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on October 12, 2010, 09:38:59 AM
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.
Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!

Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:

Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
Of course. Just as long as we can talk about how Rust in Peace > Everything else
But So Far, So Good, So What is the best Megadeth album!


*awaits rage*
 :corn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on October 12, 2010, 10:04:43 AM
But So Far, So Good, So What is the best Megadeth album!

First I was like: so far, so good

But then I was like: so... WTF???
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on October 12, 2010, 10:06:44 AM
Anyone that argues anything other than Rust in Peace as Megadeth's best album is wrong.
/pretentiousprogforumresponse



But serisouly, Rust in Peace is the best them imo.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on October 12, 2010, 10:17:21 AM
Good thing I didn't mention how Countdown is probably my favorite straight-up metal album of all time by anyone, since I assume that would have killed you.
Nah, I probably would have spiraled into extreme nerd rage and hunted you down and killed your entire family!

Good thing you never told me though! :neverusethis:

Yes, just forget that I ever didn't mention it.
Of course. Just as long as we can talk about how Rust in Peace > Everything else
But So Far, So Good, So What is the best Megadeth album!


*awaits rage*
 :corn
Its not as rage inducing as saying CtE is their best. SFSGSW? is a 9/10 while RiP is a masterpiece of perfection 10/10.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 12, 2010, 05:34:17 PM
We talk about this all the time, don't we fellas? he he he he he


YOU
THA
NAS
IA!!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 05:41:56 PM
Anyone that argues anything other than Rust in Peace as Megadeth's best album is wrong.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on October 12, 2010, 06:15:49 PM
We talk about this all the time, don't we fellas? he he he he he


YOU
THA
NAS
IA!!!

Good album, but it sounds too watered down for my liking. I prefer Megadeth's straight up thrash stuff.

Anyone that argues anything other than Rust in Peace as Megadeth's best album is wrong.
When Lat's  right, he's right.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 06:20:10 PM
Well technically I was just quoting Letters, but yes. And by that I mean, I am always right.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 12, 2010, 07:22:07 PM
Rust In Peace > Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? > Endgame > Countdown To Extinction > So Far, So Good... So What! > Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good! > The System Has Failed > Hidden Treasures
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 07:24:39 PM
Through math and science I can prove to you ,Birch Boy, that Killing is my Business is actually the second album in your list.

My source:
I am always right.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on October 12, 2010, 07:26:48 PM
Just to make things tenser....



Rust in Peace really isn't that good imao.

*runs*
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 07:27:20 PM
imao - in my asshole opinion?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 12, 2010, 07:36:18 PM
imao - in my asshole opinion?
:lol

Yes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on October 12, 2010, 07:37:47 PM
 :(

LOOK I JUST WANNA TALK BOUT THE MUSIX

THATS WHY I JOINED THIS DAMN THING







cept not really. But you get what Im saying.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 07:39:04 PM
You do realized you joined DTF right? I mean, how often do we stay on topi-

Kevin Moore.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on October 12, 2010, 07:40:18 PM
Kevin? But I-




BACON.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gorille85 on October 12, 2010, 07:41:15 PM
You do realized you joined DTF right? I mean, how often do we stay on topi-

Kevin Moore.

Yeah, why did he left DT? :omg:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on October 12, 2010, 07:42:21 PM
You do realized you joined DTF right? I mean, how often do we stay on topi-

Kevin Moore.

Yeah, why did he left DT? :omg:
I was also wondering why my copy of "Pull Me Und-




I'll stop there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on October 12, 2010, 07:43:08 PM
OMG GAIZ


HAVE YOU HEARD


MIKE PORTNOY JUST LEF-


hey Birch, mine does that TOO!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on October 12, 2010, 07:44:54 PM
Really? Mine has this really epic and sweet ending.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 07:45:24 PM
You guys never heard JM's yodeling solo? It's beyond words.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on October 12, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
You mean Herman Li?  ???
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 12, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
We talk about this all the time, don't we fellas? he he he he he


YOU
THA
NAS
IA!!!

Good album, but it sounds too watered down for my liking. I prefer Megadeth's straight up thrash stuff.

ITS THEIR BEST ALBUM U DIDDLE
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on October 12, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
GUYS
HEY GUYS
GUYS I'VE GOT IT
IT'S ALL WRITTEN

A7X ALBUM W/PORTNOY
IS CALLED NIGHTMARE


PORTNOY WAS IN DREAM THEATER

NIGHTMARE
AND
DREAM
THEATER

IT WAS WRITTEN ALL ALONG
HE EVEN USED RAISE THE KNIFE TO ANNOUNCE IT 13 YEARS AGO
WHEN NIGHTMARE CINEMA ENDED
HE HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN DREAMS AND NIGHTMARES
FOR HE HAD NO CONTROL OVER ONE OF THEM ANYMORE


AND HE CHOSE NIGHTMARE
THAT'S WHY HE'S HAVING SO MUCH SHIT RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE NIGHTMARES
AND ITPOE
IS A PREDICTION OF HIM SELLING HIS SOUL TO A7X
AND THEN RETURNING TO DT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T FIGHT FOR THEM



AND KEVIN MOORE WANTED TO DO A CONCEPT ALBUM
BUT HE COULDNT
BECAUSE OSI
AND STUFF


IT WAS TEH CONSPIRACY GUYS DON'T YOU GET IT????
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 09:56:24 PM
Wrong...thread?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on October 12, 2010, 09:58:00 PM
NO GUYS IT'S TRUE

I'M NOT DERAILING THIS THREAD OR ANYTHING
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 09:59:31 PM
Dude, it's probably safe to say you should stay off the ecstasy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on October 12, 2010, 09:59:44 PM
Now seriously: listening to These Boots right now. Sounds good, man. May be one of the best tracks of the album after Skull Beneath the Skin, Mechanix and Last Rites/Loved to Deth
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 12, 2010, 10:02:03 PM
As long as it isn't that piece of shit censored version.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 12, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Now seriously: listening to These Boots right now. Sounds good, man. May be one of the best tracks of the album after Skull Beneath the Skin, Mechanix and Last Rites/Loved to Deth

Looking Down the Cross is also good.  The first two are my fave eh.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 13, 2010, 01:18:05 PM
Killing is my Business is absolutely full of delicious thrash metal win.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Vivace on October 13, 2010, 01:35:42 PM
I remember when Countdown came out and I loved this album. Youthenasia was an excellent followup and Cryptic Writings was pretty good, but not all that great when compared to their last three. Then Risk comes out and oh boy did I throw that Cd away faster than any other. And I figured it was a one-off. So I buy TWNaH and I said I was done with Megadeth. Two in row of absolute garbage. I could not stand any of the songs although I find 1000 Times goodbye to be hilarious. So when TSHF came out I skipped it. But I heard from a few people that it was just as good as Rust in Peace. So after thinking about it, I buy the album, and HOLY S-H-I-T were they right. TSHF surpasses excellence in my opinion. It's balls to the wall Megadeth and everything about it just kicks ass. So I had my faith newly restored in Megadeth and picked up UA immediately. And again... sour disappointment. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. UA is right up there with the worst of Megadeth. But if TSHF brought Megadeth back well then I should give them another try again like before and I bought their new one Headcrusher. It's better than UA, but it's forgettable. Very forgettable.

Right now, I'm at the same place I was when TWNaH came out. I may check them out again, but I'm not buying the album immediately.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on October 13, 2010, 05:21:10 PM
I remember when Countdown came out and I loved this album. Youthenasia was an excellent followup and Cryptic Writings was pretty good, but not all that great when compared to their last three. Then Risk comes out and oh boy did I throw that Cd away faster than any other. And I figured it was a one-off. So I buy TWNaH and I said I was done with Megadeth. Two in row of absolute garbage. I could not stand any of the songs although I find 1000 Times goodbye to be hilarious. So when TSHF came out I skipped it. But I heard from a few people that it was just as good as Rust in Peace. So after thinking about it, I buy the album, and HOLY S-H-I-T were they right. TSHF surpasses excellence in my opinion. It's balls to the wall Megadeth and everything about it just kicks ass. So I had my faith newly restored in Megadeth and picked up UA immediately. And again... sour disappointment. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. UA is right up there with the worst of Megadeth. But if TSHF brought Megadeth back well then I should give them another try again like before and I bought their new one Headcrusher. It's better than UA, but it's forgettable. Very forgettable.

Right now, I'm at the same place I was when TWNaH came out. I may check them out again, but I'm not buying the album immediately.
Yeah, I'd be disappointed too if I bought an album that just had Headcrusher on it. But hey, at least Endgame was a fucking sweet album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Vivace on October 14, 2010, 08:11:59 AM
I remember when Countdown came out and I loved this album. Youthenasia was an excellent followup and Cryptic Writings was pretty good, but not all that great when compared to their last three. Then Risk comes out and oh boy did I throw that Cd away faster than any other. And I figured it was a one-off. So I buy TWNaH and I said I was done with Megadeth. Two in row of absolute garbage. I could not stand any of the songs although I find 1000 Times goodbye to be hilarious. So when TSHF came out I skipped it. But I heard from a few people that it was just as good as Rust in Peace. So after thinking about it, I buy the album, and HOLY S-H-I-T were they right. TSHF surpasses excellence in my opinion. It's balls to the wall Megadeth and everything about it just kicks ass. So I had my faith newly restored in Megadeth and picked up UA immediately. And again... sour disappointment. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. UA is right up there with the worst of Megadeth. But if TSHF brought Megadeth back well then I should give them another try again like before and I bought their new one Headcrusher. It's better than UA, but it's forgettable. Very forgettable.

Right now, I'm at the same place I was when TWNaH came out. I may check them out again, but I'm not buying the album immediately.
Yeah, I'd be disappointed too if I bought an album that just had Headcrusher on it. But hey, at least Endgame was a fucking sweet album.

Oh yeah... Endgame. My goof.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on October 23, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
Kerry King joined Megadeth on stage and played Rattlehead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on October 23, 2010, 11:11:14 AM
Kerry King joined Megadeth on stage and played Rattlehead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI)

That was pretty sick.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on October 23, 2010, 09:07:10 PM
 
Kerry King joined Megadeth on stage and played Rattlehead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVr4hvUX1ZI)

:metal :metal :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 23, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
Learnt the first 6 tracks of Youthanasia on guitar the other week.  Love that freaking album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on October 24, 2010, 03:22:27 AM
Let's talk about Davo's new book. I just got into the Metallica chapter, the book is great so far.

Who else is reading it? Who's enjoying it, etc.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 24, 2010, 08:29:53 AM
I read it, it's a really good read. I got it signed by him too.  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 03, 2010, 07:44:32 PM
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 03, 2010, 07:47:03 PM
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?
I don't like the production on it that much. Its a great album, but the production isn't that great imo

also

MEGADETH SURVIVOR IS GOING SO GET YOUR ASSES VOTING PEOPLE  :metal

Don't let this be like my Judas Priest survivor where only 4-5 people vote.  :tdwn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: toro on November 03, 2010, 07:52:50 PM
Oh hai, Rust In Peace is the best them. K bye.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 03, 2010, 07:55:22 PM
Oh hai, Rust In Peace is the best them. K bye.
You'll get no arguments from me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 03, 2010, 11:02:42 PM
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?

You must have the Remixed & Remastered version from 2004 with the bonus tracks. I have both original and 2004 versions :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 03, 2010, 11:25:32 PM
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?

You must have the Remixed & Remastered version from 2004 with the bonus tracks. I have both original and 2004 versions :biggrin:

Nah I have the original.  Its balls.  The bad kind of balls.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 03, 2010, 11:43:26 PM
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?

You must have the Remixed & Remastered version from 2004 with the bonus tracks. I have both original and 2004 versions :biggrin:

Nah I have the original.  Its balls.  The bad kind of balls.

Ahh. But over-compressed means dynamics compression like they used on the R&R. Lots of it, but it doesn't make that shit. Sounds like a well produced album like they were going for.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 04, 2010, 12:23:25 AM
MEGADETH SURVIVOR IS GOING SO GET YOUR ASSES VOTING PEOPLE  :metal

Don't let this be like my Judas Priest survivor where only 4-5 people vote.  :tdwn

Rest assured, I'll be there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 04, 2010, 02:48:45 AM
Is it just me, or is the mix on Countdown to Extinction just mid-scooped and over-compressed to death?

You must have the Remixed & Remastered version from 2004 with the bonus tracks. I have both original and 2004 versions :biggrin:

Nah I have the original.  Its balls.  The bad kind of balls.

Ahh. But over-compressed means dynamics compression like they used on the R&R. Lots of it, but it doesn't make that shit. Sounds like a well produced album like they were going for.

I suppose.  The mid scoopiness is absolutely inexcusable though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on November 04, 2010, 07:10:35 PM
Boy, I just realized that Never Walk Alone's main riff sounds a lot like Vortex's one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 04, 2010, 07:26:56 PM
The acoustic build up in Good Mourning/Black Friday is still one of the most epic things Megadeth has ever done  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 05, 2010, 08:30:23 AM
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it.  Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 05, 2010, 09:25:27 AM
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it.  Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.

I still have yet to pick that up...I really want to read it though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 05, 2010, 09:30:44 AM
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it.  Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.

I still have yet to pick that up...I really want to read it though.

Totally worth it man.  Its chock full of ego as you can imagine, but its a very interesting read. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 05, 2010, 12:00:39 PM
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it.  Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.

I still have yet to pick that up...I really want to read it though.

Totally worth it man.  Its chock full of ego as you can imagine, and that's why its a very interesting read. 

FTFY haha.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 05, 2010, 06:38:20 PM
:tup pretty much.

Its pretty interesting reading Dave's account of things and seeing how much it differs from stuff thats already been on the net, whether it be wikipedia or whatever (bad example I know).  MINI SPOILER:  I thought it was pretty lol that he considered his Cemetary Gates solo a very proud moment.  Hahahahaha.  If it meant so much to him he could've put a little thought behind it....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 06, 2010, 02:43:20 AM
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it.  Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.

You read the book in 6 and a half hours?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 06, 2010, 03:59:30 AM
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it.  Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.

You read the book in 6 and a half hours?

Yeah I guess so.  Why's that?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 06, 2010, 04:11:58 AM
Its 3:30am, I bought the Mustaine biography at 9:00pm and have been reading it since, just finished it.  Man, I really enjoyed it, what an amazing journey that man's had.

You read the book in 6 and a half hours?

Yeah I guess so.  Why's that?

That's unbelievably fast! It's a lengthy book but the pages are finished fast due to the font size I think.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 06, 2010, 05:51:35 AM
Haha yeah it is pretty big.  I dunno, its just one of those books I suppose, a compelling read.  Especially for a fan.  Although my little brother and my wife were both getting into what they read from it, and they don't even like metal let alone Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 06, 2010, 09:29:37 PM
Even just reading a book about certain music can get them to check out the band or anything else. :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 07, 2010, 03:07:24 PM
Oh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:

Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on November 07, 2010, 03:08:32 PM
Listen to Rust in Peace one more time, then try again. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 07, 2010, 03:26:11 PM
Oh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:

Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
I'm all for opinions, but that's just fucking laughable.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 07, 2010, 03:28:35 PM
Skin O My Teeth
Symphony of Destruction
Architecture of Aggression
Foreclosure of a Dream
Sweating Bullets
Countdown to Extinction
Ashes in Your Mouth

Awesome songs. All of them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on November 07, 2010, 03:29:51 PM
Rust in Peace. The entire album. Better than anything else Megadeth, Metallica, or lolSlayer has ever done.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 07, 2010, 03:52:56 PM
Megadeth's quintessential, archetypal, masterpiece of an album is definitely Rust In Peace. Everything about it kicks ass. In second place would be Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?. I'd be happy if those were the only two Megadeth albums I could listen to ever again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 07, 2010, 04:21:58 PM
Oh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:

Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
I'm all for opinions, but that's just fucking laughable.
This

Rust in Peace. The entire album. Better than anything else Megadeth, Metallica, or lolSlayer has ever done.
That
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 07, 2010, 04:48:27 PM
Oh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:

Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
I'm all for opinions, but that's just fucking laughable.
This
(https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStcOF3oFYxPpDiyfYqydjvX4xnk6vZ8NQtO6t9iC4dyRUCvQs&t=1&usg=__MviL05lIMtxjMeoNkvdbgwWz--I=)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 07, 2010, 04:50:47 PM
^  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jsem on November 07, 2010, 05:02:12 PM
Megadeth's quintessential, archetypal, masterpiece of an album is definitely Rust In Peace. Everything about it kicks ass. In second place would be Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?. I'd be happy if those were the only two Megadeth albums I could listen to ever again.
This
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 07, 2010, 07:06:18 PM
Did anyone buy the MD.45 album with Mustaine, DeGrasso, Lee Ving and some other dude?  I thought it was interesting that in the biography Mustaine admits to replacing Vings vocals and harmonica parts with his own vocals and guitar in a bid to get more Megadeth fans interested in the album, yet for years he had told the fans that he had 'lost' the master tapes with Vings parts :lol  Makes you wonder how often fans are given false information for that kind of thing.  I thought the same could be the case with the remaster tracks on RiP with different vocal takes, but if anything those takes are worse than the original.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 07, 2010, 07:24:11 PM
Oh hello Mr. Controversial Opinion Guy:

Countdown to Extinction is Megadeth's best album.
I'm all for opinions, but that's just fucking laughable.
True that.
Skin O My Teeth
Symphony of Destruction
Architecture of Aggression
Foreclosure of a Dream
Sweating Bullets
Countdown to Extinction
Ashes in Your Mouth

Awesome songs. All of them.

Those aren't all of the songs off the album.

Rust In Peace has to be the best. Here's why: Peace Sells had another cover, and with AND without the cover it has a shorter running time than Rust In Peace. Oh I didn't mention they wrote and recorded that album sober. What a strong effort.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 08, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
UPON MY PODIUM AS THE
KNOW IT ALL SCHOLAR
DOWN IN MY SEAT OF JUDGMENT
GAVELS BAND UPHOLD THE LAW
UP ON MY SOAPBOX A LEADER
OUT TO CHANGE THE WORLD
DOWN IN MY PULPIT AS THE HOLIER
THAN THOU COULD BE MESSENGER OF GOD

That has to be one of the most metal sections of a metal song ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 08, 2010, 01:56:45 PM
UPON MY PODIUM AS THE
KNOW IT ALL SCHOLAR
DOWN IN MY SEAT OF JUDGMENT
GAVELS BAND UPHOLD THE LAW
UP ON MY SOAPBOX A LEADER
OUT TO CHANGE THE WORLD
DOWN IN MY PULPIT AS THE HOLIER
THAN THOU COULD BE MESSENGER OF GOD

That has to be one of the most metal sections of a metal song ever.


Pretty much.  That riff + The vocal delivery is stellar.  Megadeth called it a Gavel in 1990 and Metalllica calle it a 'Judgement Hammer' on KEA.  Not until St Anger did they call it a gavel in 'Dirty Window'.

NOW TELL ME WHO IS SMARTER?!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 08, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
Metallica. :P

But seriously, I was watching that live on The Big 4 and reminded me of when I saw it live and it really is just a sick section of a song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 08, 2010, 02:10:51 PM
Metallica. :P

Wronge.  Totally wronge :P

Nah yeah, mean section of Holy Wars indeed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 08, 2010, 02:14:55 PM
Ok, now, I actually want to bring up a serious topic and I want to preface this by saying that this IS NOT A SLAP IN THE FACE TO MEGADETH OR ANY OTHER THRASH BAND!!!

How do you think bands like Slayer, Anthrax, and most importantly Megadeth (because of Dave's relations with Metallica) feel about Metallica being so much bigger than all of them combined. I mean, they all fathered a genre but they remained pretty steady was Metallica sky rocketed. Hell, Metallica headlines hundreds of thousands of people shows and I saw Megadeth and Slayer play for like 5 thousand. How do you think that makes them feel?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 08, 2010, 02:21:46 PM
I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots.  Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on November 08, 2010, 04:47:31 PM
I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots.  Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.
lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on November 08, 2010, 05:09:03 PM
I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots.  Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.
lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
Basically this. Actually, all 4 bands had their low points. Slayer just happened to not deviate too far from thrash.


I just pretend Undisputed Attitude never happened.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 08, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots.  Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.
lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.

Yeah I was gonna make a point about Megadeth trying to do the same thing but couldn't really be assed.  You got me, bud.  Anthrax and Slayer I couldn't care less about.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 08, 2010, 06:41:18 PM
I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots.  Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.
lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
There's nothing hardcore about Stomp 442..I don't understand.

Also lots of people were pretty surprised by Slayer during the South Of Heaven/Seasons days. Folks thought they were slowing down to gain a larger audience.

You've got to remember that back in the 80's, Metallica were head and shoulders better than the others. They opened the doors that the rest would go through. Sure, the Black Album shot to popularity, but that was a train that had been gathering substantial steam beforehand.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 08, 2010, 06:43:19 PM
I think the rest of the big 3 can hold their heads high for staying true to their thrash roots.  Metallica's popularity skyrocketed because the moved away from that.
lol, no. Megadeth also moved away with Cryptic Writings and Risk, and Anthrax went for a more Hardcore Sound with Stomp 442.
Yeah, but nobody sank as low as Metallica.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 08, 2010, 07:04:32 PM
I heard Cryptic Writings today for like the 3rd time ever. Disappointed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 08, 2010, 07:34:14 PM
I heard Cryptic Writings today for like the 3rd time ever. Disappointed.

Listen again, its a grower.  Granted, some of the tracks are just bad, but there are some gems.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 08, 2010, 08:30:50 PM
I heard Cryptic Writings today for like the 3rd time ever. Disappointed.

Listen again, its a grower.  Granted, some of the tracks are just bad, but there are some gems.

Hah, I don't think that would help. I liked Trust, Almost Honest, Use The Man, A Secret Place, and She-Wolf. But the album - as a whole - wasn't that good. I'm listening to deth's discog because I'm reading Megadave's book.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 08, 2010, 08:40:24 PM
The Disintegrators is the best them.  I like all the songs except Sin, now that I think about it.  Thats such a crap song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 08, 2010, 09:44:05 PM
I heard Cryptic Writings today for like the 3rd time ever. Disappointed.

One of Megadeth's best albums IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on November 08, 2010, 11:31:45 PM
I just pretend Undisputed Attitude never happened.

Back when I used to listen to Slayer, I remember thinking Undisputed Attitude was boss.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 09, 2010, 07:45:07 AM
I just pretend Undisputed Attitude never happened.

Back when I used to listen to Slayer, I remember thinking Undisputed Attitude was boss.
:|
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on November 09, 2010, 10:26:56 AM
Seriously. That album is just plain fun.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on November 09, 2010, 10:37:22 AM
................a drum beats for me.........it grows louder everyday.........the cadence tells me........that soon.....it will be my judgement day.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on November 09, 2010, 11:02:22 AM
................a drum beats for me.........it grows louder everyday.........the cadence tells me........that soon.....it will be my judgement day.
They were dying for fame so I obliged them some relieeeeef
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 09, 2010, 06:30:25 PM
Seriously. That album is just plain fun.

Yeah I remember when I discovered Hardcore Punk last year and I got that album because I didn't have it - and Slayer to me were fucking awesome, still are - I listened to it many times and it was pure and raw pissed offery. That's what I liked about it. After a while I forgot about hardcore and disliked it for some time but this year I revisited all the hardcore I had and it was even better than the first time! Now I'm solidly a fan of the genre.

Anyway I listened to Risk just then. Disappointed... Again. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on November 09, 2010, 07:39:54 PM
................a drum beats for me.........it grows louder everyday.........the cadence tells me........that soon.....it will be my judgement day.
They were dying for fame so I obliged them some relieeeeef
WWWWWAAAAAAAAAIM ALIVE AGAIN AN OUTCAST
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 09, 2010, 08:24:53 PM
Risk is awesome. Fuck you guys.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 09, 2010, 10:53:29 PM
Risk is awesome. Fuck you guys.

It's okay, you can say "Fuck you SPNKr". I brought up the subject.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 10, 2010, 03:57:36 AM
Risk is awesome. Fuck you guys.
It's better than its own reputation would lead to believe. Still not great, but a decent hard rock album if you look at it like that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on November 10, 2010, 04:17:30 AM
I agree, I enjoy Risk every now and then, both Time tracks are really good.
Crush Em and Prince of Darkness are awful and they bring down the whole album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 10, 2010, 06:02:16 AM
Crush 'Em is literally the only weak link on the entire album. The rest of the songs either have a really cool chorus or they're just good songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 10, 2010, 07:40:45 AM
Crush 'Em is literally the only weak link on the entire album. The rest of the songs either have a really cool chorus or they're just good songs.

This.  And, after all, he is the ultimate metal head, so you should listen to him.  I mean, it's right there in his name and everything.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 10, 2010, 09:23:54 AM
Crush 'Em is literally the only weak link on the entire album. The rest of the songs either have a really cool chorus or they're just good songs.

This.  And, after all, he is the ultimate metal head, so you should listen to him.  I mean, it's right there in his name and everything.
Except I often don't!  :biggrin:


 :|
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 10, 2010, 05:26:34 PM
I just pretend Undisputed Attitude never happened.

Back when I used to listen to Slayer, I remember thinking Undisputed Attitude was boss.
I agree with Gadough. Undisputed Attitude is by far my least favorite Slayer album, but I still like it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 10, 2010, 09:12:31 PM
Crush 'Em is literally the only weak link on the entire album. The rest of the songs either have a really cool chorus or they're just good songs.

This.  And, after all, he is the ultimate metal head, so you should listen to him.  I mean, it's right there in his name and everything.
Except I often don't!  :biggrin:


 :|
That's obviously your problem.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 11, 2010, 06:36:44 PM
Megadeth is probably the most overdubbed band on the Big 4 DVD, but to be honest, I don't care all that much just because their set is just so badass.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 11, 2010, 07:58:41 PM
'Cause Dave's voice is becoming crap.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 11, 2010, 08:08:30 PM
I really think Dave's voice is great. Better than Layne Staley at any rate. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on November 11, 2010, 08:12:34 PM
Listening to Sudden Death right now. It's really good, and had they composed it before it would definitely be on Endgame... Better than some of the songs in that album, IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 11, 2010, 08:36:41 PM
I really think Dave's voice is great. Better than Layne Staley at any rate. :neverusethis:

:neverusethis: no
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 11, 2010, 10:36:05 PM
I really think Dave's voice is great. Better than Layne Staley at any rate. :neverusethis:

:neverusethis: no
This, mega.

Listening to Sudden Death right now. It's really good, and had they composed it before it would definitely be on Endgame... Better than some of the songs in that album, IMO.
Great song :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 11, 2010, 10:40:32 PM
'Cause Dave's voice is becoming crap.
Bro since when do you listen to megadeth for dave's vocals
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 12, 2010, 01:16:44 AM
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 12, 2010, 04:19:45 AM
Dave Mustaine and Layne Staley's voices are about as bad as each others, bros.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 12, 2010, 05:19:51 AM
Dave Mustaine and Layne Staley's voices are about as bad as each others, bros.

No. Not at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 12, 2010, 04:49:59 PM
Anyone notice that in Sleepwalker @ 3:20 the riff there is very similar to a riff Take No Prisoners? That was pretty cool to hear again. I forgot about that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on November 12, 2010, 05:30:14 PM
Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Seventh Son on November 12, 2010, 05:35:33 PM
Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.
This is what I was trying to say earlier.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 12, 2010, 05:36:25 PM
Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.
Most of the songs on Risk disagree with you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on November 12, 2010, 07:11:02 PM
Dave Mustaine and Layne Staley's voices are about as bad as each others, bros.
How the fuck did Layne Staley get into this thread?

Anyways, Layne > Dave easily. In fact, I'd classify him as a pretty decent vocalist. Not the best, but there are far worse out there.

Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on November 12, 2010, 08:45:10 PM
Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Megadeth-Youthanasia.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 12, 2010, 09:48:14 PM
Regarding Risk, it's actually a pretty good album if you take the time to enjoy it. If you learn to separate it from the sound Megadeth is known for and just think of it as a hard rock album, you'll enjoy it a lot more.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on November 12, 2010, 11:39:53 PM
That's absolutely true.

But, like my post above indicates, Youthanasia is clearly the best them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: True Death of Life on November 12, 2010, 11:46:43 PM
Listened to "Countdown to Extinction" for the 1st time in months today.
 :hefdaddy  :hefdaddy  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 13, 2010, 01:54:21 AM
But, like my post above indicates, Youthanasia is clearly the best them.

Truth, my brother.  Truth.

Mustaine's voice peaked at Youth/Countdown and has gotten steadily worse ever since.

Just got the live Rust in Peace CD/DVD.  Was pretty impressed with Mustaine's vocal, though I suspect its rather heavily overdubbed.  Which I don't mind too much, as long as it makes for a more pleasurable listening experience.  Mustaine is pretty much the worst frontman as well.  Broderick and Ellefson do most of the work when it comes to engaging with the crowd.

Mind you, if I had to play super-tech riffs and sing over the top of them, I wouldn't have time to molest the crowd either.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 13, 2010, 12:17:54 PM
I have to say, I don't understand all the hate towards Mustaine's voice. I think it works well for the style of music that Megadeth plays, and even on albums as recent as Endgame, it still sounds good. That being said, I am fully aware of the decline his voice has taken in live performances in recent years.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on November 13, 2010, 04:18:35 PM
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!
This; I think it's great!

Dave Mustaine and Layne Staley's voices are about as bad as each others, bros.
How the fuck did Layne Staley get into this thread?

Anyways, Layne > Dave easily. In fact, I'd classify him as a pretty decent vocalist. Not the best, but there are far worse out there.

Dave Mustaine is a not a good singer. He has a cool voice and it fits for Megadeth. But by all means, he is NOT a good singer.
Agreed.
This
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on November 17, 2010, 04:17:33 PM
Just bought the Rust In Peace Blu-ray. Overdubbed indeed, but this DVD rocks :metal

EDIT: My only complaint is not enough Chris Broderick footage. He'll be soloing his face off and the camera won't show 'em.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 17, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
What parts are overdubbed? I have the DVD and I'm curious.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 17, 2010, 04:22:32 PM
I have to say, I don't understand all the hate towards Mustaine's voice. I think it works well for the style of music that Megadeth plays, and even on albums as recent as Endgame, it still sounds good. That being said, I am fully aware of the decline his voice has taken in live performances in recent years.

There is no hate.  Yes, his voice sounds good and goes well with the music.  It is one of the trademarks of the Megadeth sound.  But that being said, Dave is simply not a "good singer."  He knows it.  The fans generally know it.  His peers know it.  That's not hate, especially since, again, fans love his voice.  But that doesn't make him a good singer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on November 17, 2010, 04:31:35 PM
What parts are overdubbed? I have the DVD and I'm curious.
While I don't have confirmation, I think Dave's voice is heavily overdubbed.

1) He sounds too good compared to all of the live recordings I've seen/heard on YouTube
2) Mouth isn't lining up with certain words. Time stamps will come with time.

I know this isn't news to a lot of people, nor does it bother me. The DVD is just plain rocking and feeds my eternal love for Megadeth nostalgia.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 17, 2010, 04:39:46 PM
What parts are overdubbed? I have the DVD and I'm curious.
While I don't have confirmation, I think Dave's voice is heavily overdubbed.

1) He sounds too good compared to all of the live recordings I've seen/heard on YouTube
2) Mouth isn't lining up with certain words. Time stamps will come with time.

I know this isn't news to a lot of people, nor does it bother me. The DVD is just plain rocking and feeds my eternal love for Megadeth nostalgia.

Yeah I got the feeling a lot of Dave's vocals were overdubbed.  But I'd rather him do that then leave crappy vocals on, like Train of Consequences and Devils Island on Rude Awakening.  Ugh. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 05:01:37 PM
In fairness on older DVD's certain things look overdubbed.  I think most of the time he just sings with his mouth mostly closed so it looks like it's been overdubbed.  I've only watched Rust in Peace live once though, so I can't really comment.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 17, 2010, 05:49:50 PM
I have the original mix of RiP and the remaster and I have to say, all the changes made on the remaster are rubbish.  I much prefer Dave's vocals on the original.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on November 17, 2010, 07:06:10 PM
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!

One of their best albums, easily.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 17, 2010, 07:15:38 PM
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!

One of their best albums, easily.

Dunno, I think it has quite a few too many songs that are not bad by any means but really have nothing special going for them.


Not bad by any means, though.  I do like Kick the Chair and Of Mice and Men is a pretty cool song. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 07:27:00 PM
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!

One of their best albums, easily.

yeah, I think it's one of their best too.  Having Chris Poland back on lead helped too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 17, 2010, 09:18:05 PM
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!

One of their best albums, easily.

Dunno, I think it has quite a few too many songs that are not bad by any means but really have nothing special going for them.


Not bad by any means, though.  I do like Kick the Chair and Of Mice and Men is a pretty cool song. 
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!

One of their best albums, easily.

yeah, I think it's one of their best too.  Having Chris Poland back on lead helped too.

Just replying to all you guys --- Now that the subject is back, I listened to UA and EG as well. I finished the book last week at the same time. I've concluded that while each album is an effort for the Megadeth comeback since his injury, TSHS is the best out of them after TWNAH. UA is better than EG. I didn't feel any spart to the most of the record, oh well. At least I like UA this time more than I ever have, and TSHS. EG is okay, but the weakest out of said three. But anyway, Dave's been making the effort to continue with his career since the injury which is great. Blackmail The Universe is a fucking heavy song, maybe the heaviest since like... Rust In Peace? All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 18, 2010, 12:35:46 AM
TSHS = The System Has...Sailed?

All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.

What are you referring to here?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 18, 2010, 03:12:07 AM
TSHS = The System Has...Sailed?

All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.

What are you referring to here?

Well that was confusing :\ TSHF I meant lol :D
So Dave has basically stated before he's got one more record to do with Megadeth before he's completed his contract. After that, he's retiring to do some work at his studio I think. Teaching kids or something. It's in an older issue of GuitarWorld I have.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on November 18, 2010, 08:11:42 AM
The SPNKr Has Failed
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 18, 2010, 10:11:43 AM
TSHS = The System Has...Sailed?

All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.

What are you referring to here?

Well that was confusing :\ TSHF I meant lol :D
So Dave has basically stated before he's got one more record to do with Megadeth before he's completed his contract. After that, he's retiring to do some work at his studio I think. Teaching kids or something. It's in an older issue of GuitarWorld I have.

Well that's rather disappointing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 18, 2010, 01:51:03 PM
TSHS = The System Has...Sailed?

All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.

What are you referring to here?

Well that was confusing :\ TSHF I meant lol :D
So Dave has basically stated before he's got one more record to do with Megadeth before he's completed his contract. After that, he's retiring to do some work at his studio I think. Teaching kids or something. It's in an older issue of GuitarWorld I have.

Well that's rather disappointing.

Dave's been saying that for years. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on November 18, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
Well, Megadeth was supposed to end on Rude Awakening, and look what happened.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 18, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!

One of their best albums, easily.

Dunno, I think it has quite a few too many songs that are not bad by any means but really have nothing special going for them.


Not bad by any means, though.  I do like Kick the Chair and Of Mice and Men is a pretty cool song. 
I listened to The System Has Failed today, and for the first time I think it's a good album. Not a bad effort at all after almost being put out of a musical career just a year and a half earlier!

One of their best albums, easily.

yeah, I think it's one of their best too.  Having Chris Poland back on lead helped too.

Just replying to all you guys --- Now that the subject is back, I listened to UA and EG as well. I finished the book last week at the same time. I've concluded that while each album is an effort for the Megadeth comeback since his injury, TSHS is the best out of them after TWNAH. UA is better than EG. I didn't feel any spart to the most of the record, oh well. At least I like UA this time more than I ever have, and TSHS. EG is okay, but the weakest out of said three. But anyway, Dave's been making the effort to continue with his career since the injury which is great. Blackmail The Universe is a fucking heavy song, maybe the heaviest since like... Rust In Peace? All we're getting is one more record, then he's retiring from Megadeth. I think he still has it in him.

TSHF is easily the best of the three.  EG is by far one of Megadeth's weakest records all together.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 18, 2010, 04:58:50 PM
I feel just the opposite. To me, Endgame ranks as my #3 Megadeth album after SFSGSW and RIP.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on November 18, 2010, 05:50:05 PM
I feel just the opposite. To me, Endgame ranks as my #3 Megadeth album after SFSGSW and RIP.

Wow, really? That's really high praise. Although I guess it isn't entirely surprising given your rankings; I actually find Endgame and SFSGSW to be very similar stylistically.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 19, 2010, 01:32:48 AM
I feel just the opposite. To me, Endgame ranks as my #3 Megadeth album after SFSGSW and RIP.

I just couldn't dig it, it did absolutely nothing for me.  Boring songs, no interesting hooks, just generic run of the mill Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on November 19, 2010, 02:09:06 AM
I definitely find Endgame to be the best since Youthanasia.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DarkEternalNight on November 19, 2010, 03:09:09 PM
Never listened to much Megadeth but heard Sweating Bullets today and loved it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on November 19, 2010, 03:59:13 PM
Never listened to much Megadeth but heard Sweating Bullets today and loved it.
:tup

If you dug Sweating Bullets, try giving the album "Countdown To Extinction" a spin :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 19, 2010, 06:06:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyHgm4AXimQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyHgm4AXimQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bchu_D1p4JQ&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bchu_D1p4JQ&feature=related)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 19, 2010, 07:03:25 PM
Never listened to much Megadeth but heard Sweating Bullets today and loved it.

You need Killing Is My Business, Peace Sells, and Rust In Peace. Go get 'em!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 19, 2010, 09:16:02 PM
Never listened to much Megadeth but heard Sweating Bullets today and loved it.

You need Killing Is My Business, Peace Sells, and Rust In Peace. Go get 'em!

Or just:

"Countdown To Extinction"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 19, 2010, 11:31:16 PM
I triple tracked a bit of Wake Up Dead with my practice amp.
https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3 (https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on November 21, 2010, 08:57:14 PM
I triple tracked a bit of Wake Up Dead with my practice amp.
https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3 (https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3)

Interesting to hear just the rhythm over that part. Nice sound for a practice amp.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 22, 2010, 02:57:46 PM
I triple tracked a bit of Wake Up Dead with my practice amp.
https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3 (https://www.netmusicians.org/files/32-WUD.mp3)

Interesting to hear just the rhythm over that part. Nice sound for a practice amp.

It's a Peavey Vypyr 15watt; probably one of the best gear investments I've ever made. It beats turning on the half stack all the time, especially since I can't have it loud, and loud tube amps = sound better.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on December 01, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
Cole says Rust in Peace is boring because it opens with Megadeth's best song ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on December 01, 2010, 07:01:39 PM
Cole says Rust in Peace is boring because it opens with Megadeth's best song ever.
Cole also fails.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on December 01, 2010, 07:03:16 PM
I'm skype chatting him atm.

He also says Endgame is their best album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on December 01, 2010, 07:07:44 PM
I'm skype chatting him atm.

He also says Endgame is their best album.
:rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 01, 2010, 07:14:51 PM
I'm skype chatting him atm.

He also says Endgame is their best album.
Wow. Just...wow.

I mean, it's a great album, and easily their best album that wasn't released in 1990 or earlier, but still...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 02, 2010, 12:32:53 AM
I'm skype chatting him atm.

He also says Endgame is their best album.
Wow. Just...wow.

I mean, it's a great album, and easily their best album that wasn't released in 1990 or earlier, but still...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 02, 2010, 12:33:41 PM
I'm skype chatting him atm.

He also says Endgame is their best album.
Wow. Just...wow.

I mean, it's a great album, and easily their best album that wasn't released in 1990 or earlier

Countdown and Youthanasia called -- they want to know what you're smoking?  Hell, Cryptic Writings might even be on the line.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on December 02, 2010, 03:41:02 PM
I'm skype chatting him atm.

He also says Endgame is their best album.
Wow. Just...wow.

I mean, it's a great album, and easily their best album that wasn't released in 1990 or earlier

Countdown and Youthanasia called -- they want to know what you're smoking?  Hell, Cryptic Writings might even be on the line.
I'm trying to figure out what you mean, because if it's that those albums are better than Endgame, then that's exactly what UMH is saying.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 02, 2010, 03:44:02 PM
God damn you for making me look at my post again to make sure I didn't fuck up. :p

Okay, I'll just post album rankings to make it more clear.

1. Rust in Peace
2. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
3. Killing is my Business...And Business is Good!
4. So Far, So Good, So What!
5. Endgame
6. Countdown to Extinction
7. Youthanasia
8. The World Needs a Hero
9. United Abominations
10. Risk
11. The System Has Failed
12. Cryptic Writings
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 02, 2010, 03:49:45 PM
God damn you for making me look at my post again to make sure I didn't fuck up. :p

Okay, I'll just post album rankings to make it more clear.

1. Rust in Peace
2. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
3. Killing is my Business...And Business is Good!
4. So Far, So Good, So What!
5. Endgame
6. Countdown to Extinction
7. Youthanasia
8. The World Needs a Hero
9. United Abominations
10. Risk
11. The System Has Failed
12. Cryptic Writings
See, he meant what I thought he meant.  Ok, sure, I can semi-understand low feelings for CW, but ranking Endgame over Countdown and Youthanasia just doesn't fly with me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 02, 2010, 03:51:10 PM
Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 02, 2010, 03:55:47 PM
Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.
You know after reading your first post a couple of hours ago, I went back and listened to it and CW back-to-back.  Yes, the shredding and riffing on EG is amazing, but, to me, the album lacks a lot in melodies, particularly vocal melodies.  I think that's why I love those 90's albums so much -- because they had the catchiest melodies.  And that's just a preference I have with a lot of my metal (though not all).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 02, 2010, 04:06:49 PM
"And that you say you will pray for me.
You realize you ARE PREY FOR ME!"

This is the most badass lyric.  Srsly.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 02, 2010, 04:12:36 PM
Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.
You know after reading your first post a couple of hours ago, I went back and listened to it and CW back-to-back.  Yes, the shredding and riffing on EG is amazing, but, to me, the album lacks a lot in melodies, particularly vocal melodies.  I think that's why I love those 90's albums so much -- because they had the catchiest melodies.  And that's just a preference I have with a lot of my metal (though not all).
I totally agree with you there. The vocals in that period were Mustaine's best, bar none. However, the music in that time period lacked the energy and the fury that Endgame has. That's the aspect that really sends it home for me. Mustaine hasn't sounded that focused in a really long time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 02, 2010, 04:17:10 PM
Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.
You know after reading your first post a couple of hours ago, I went back and listened to it and CW back-to-back.  Yes, the shredding and riffing on EG is amazing, but, to me, the album lacks a lot in melodies, particularly vocal melodies.  I think that's why I love those 90's albums so much -- because they had the catchiest melodies.  And that's just a preference I have with a lot of my metal (though not all).
I totally agree with you there. The vocals in that period were Mustaine's best, bar none. However, the music in that time period lacked the energy and the fury that Endgame has. That's the aspect that really sends it home for me. Mustaine hasn't sounded that focused in a really long time.
I therefore theorize that RIP is the closest to the best of both worlds, where his vocals had improved but the music was still top-notch.  At least for you.  That's kind of where I put Countdown -- as the perfect marriage between earlier Megadeth and later, more commercial Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 02, 2010, 04:19:27 PM
Sorry you feel that way. Endgame kicks the living shit out of everything below it.
You know after reading your first post a couple of hours ago, I went back and listened to it and CW back-to-back.  Yes, the shredding and riffing on EG is amazing, but, to me, the album lacks a lot in melodies, particularly vocal melodies.  I think that's why I love those 90's albums so much -- because they had the catchiest melodies.  And that's just a preference I have with a lot of my metal (though not all).
I totally agree with you there. The vocals in that period were Mustaine's best, bar none. However, the music in that time period lacked the energy and the fury that Endgame has. That's the aspect that really sends it home for me. Mustaine hasn't sounded that focused in a really long time.
I therefore theorize that RIP is the closest to the best of both worlds, where his vocals had improved but the music was still top-notch.  At least for you.  That's kind of where I put Countdown -- as the perfect marriage between earlier Megadeth and later, more commercial Megadeth.
Completely agreed in every aspect. Endgame is still better than Countdown though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mechanix1911 on December 02, 2010, 04:19:45 PM
Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia are musically VERY MATURE albums compared to its predecessors. While Endgame is... better than everything later than Youthanasia, it fails to outgrow those 2 CLASSICS in any way.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 02, 2010, 04:21:06 PM
Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia are musically VERY MATURE albums compared to its predecessors. While Endgame is... better than everything later than Youthanasia, it fails to outgrow those 2 CLASSICS in any way.
Therefore, Endgame is a more mature version of Rust in Peace.

Again, making it better than Countdown and Youth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mechanix1911 on December 02, 2010, 04:22:34 PM
I'll put on Endgame tomorrow and we'll talk.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 02, 2010, 04:24:57 PM
I'll put on Endgame tomorrow and we'll talk.
There's no need.  I already put it on this afternoon.  He's wrong.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 02, 2010, 04:28:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwg
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 02, 2010, 04:32:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwg
Indeed.  I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.

Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mechanix1911 on December 02, 2010, 04:33:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwg
Indeed.  I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.

Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever  :metal :metal :metal

Ghost of Perdition and The Baying of the Hounds would like to have a word with you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 02, 2010, 04:41:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwg
Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever  :metal :metal :metal
Ghost of Perdition and The Baying of the Hounds would like to have a word with you.
But "Ghost Of Perdition" doesn't punch straight out of the gate; it has that little acoustic intro.  I guess in my mind I was thinking of songs that really hit it right from the first second.  Maybe a silly criteria, but that was my frame of mind when I made the statement.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mechanix1911 on December 02, 2010, 04:50:48 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean... It smashes you right in the face. Now that I mentioned GoP and TBotH, an equal Opeth-comparison would be Wreath-Deliverance.  ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on December 02, 2010, 05:40:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwg
Indeed.  I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.

Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever  :metal :metal :metal

Blackened and And Justice for All
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 02, 2010, 06:15:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwg
Indeed.  I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.

Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever  :metal :metal :metal

Blackened and And Justice for All
:2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 02, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwg
Indeed.  I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.

Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever  :metal :metal :metal

Blackened and And Justice for All
Not even.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on December 02, 2010, 07:34:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUlPPjSwg
Indeed.  I think we've taken this particular discussion as far as it will go.

Therefore, on a new note: "Holy Wars" and "Hangar 18" may be the best one-two punch to open any album ever  :metal :metal :metal

Blackened and And Justice for All
Not even.

This.

And Justice For All is pretty weak, imo. It's long for no reason, really. It's awesome, but doesn't beat HW and RiP as a 1-2.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on December 02, 2010, 08:23:16 PM
I feel just the opposite. To me, Endgame ranks as my #3 Megadeth album after SFSGSW and RIP.

I just couldn't dig it, it did absolutely nothing for me.  Boring songs, no interesting hooks, just generic run of the mill Megadeth.

I'm kinda in the same boat on Endgame.  I won't say that it's bad, because there IS an intensity and focus in the playing and production, but overall it doesn't touch the song-writing brilliance of Youthanasia or CTE. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on December 03, 2010, 07:45:47 PM
Best Megadeth riff...GO!

Too hard for me to choose.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 03, 2010, 07:52:18 PM
New World Order.

End of discussion.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 04, 2010, 04:33:51 AM
"Killing Is My Business..."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 04, 2010, 04:44:15 AM
Holy Wars intro.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 05, 2010, 07:39:49 PM
The part after 'Diana....' in Wake Up Dead.  Awesome riff.  There are so many awesome Mustaine riffs though, hard to choose just one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on December 06, 2010, 01:51:57 PM
Best Megadeth riff...GO!

Too hard for me to choose.
Tornado of Souls easily!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on December 06, 2010, 01:57:52 PM
Best Megadeth riff...GO!

Too hard for me to choose.
Tornado of Souls easily!

Take No Prisoners
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 06, 2010, 02:03:35 PM
Best Megadeth riff...GO!

Too hard for me to choose.

Not necessarily the best, but one of my faves that almost never gets mentioned is the riff to Black Curtains.  Nice, chunky, heavy, dark mid-temp riff. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 06, 2010, 02:23:35 PM
Black Curtains is addicting!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 06, 2010, 02:32:46 PM
Black Curtains is addicting!
So is cocaine.

But in all seriousness, yeah, I agree.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 06, 2010, 04:55:25 PM
Black Curtains is addicting!
So is cocaine.

Black Curtains is worse.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 06, 2010, 04:56:51 PM
Black Curtains is addicting!
So is cocaine.

Black Curtains is worse.

Debatable. I'm tempted to agree.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 06, 2010, 05:01:17 PM
Black Curtains is addicting!
So is cocaine.

Black Curtains is worse.

Debatable. I'm tempted to agree.

You're too young to be able to debate that...Just stick with Black Curtains.
Be good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 06, 2010, 05:03:13 PM
Black Curtains is addicting!
So is cocaine.

Black Curtains is worse.

Debatable. I'm tempted to agree.

You're too young to be able to debate that...Just stick with Black Curtains.
Be good.
:angel:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rina on December 06, 2010, 07:52:22 PM
Black Curtains is addicting!

Black Curtains is very good.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 06, 2010, 08:10:02 PM
Can't decide, but She Wolf has a sexing riff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 06, 2010, 09:39:22 PM
Can't decide, but She Wolf has a sexing riff.

Oh yeah :yarr
I can't get Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good! out of my head! What a sweet fucking song that is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mechanix1911 on December 07, 2010, 11:02:04 AM
The later half of Hangar 18.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 07, 2010, 07:53:59 PM
The later half of Hangar 18.

Good thinking. I don't think people have brought that up here.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on December 07, 2010, 08:55:11 PM
Set The World Afire is up there somewhere.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 07, 2010, 09:02:44 PM
Fuck yeah! Set The World Afire has great riffs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on December 08, 2010, 02:02:50 PM
Skin O My Teeth


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on December 09, 2010, 03:23:34 PM
So guys...

I like Rust in Peace.  A lot.  What Megadeth album should I get next.  Be warned that I've tried a lot of songs, and they've all been huge hits (Dialectic Chaos, Peace Sells) or huge misses (Skin O My Teeth, Wake Up Dead, Most of Endgame).  If they've got another album close to RiPs quality, then I might be totally sold on them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on December 09, 2010, 03:31:44 PM
Well there isn't another album even close to Rust in Peace, but I'd say Countdown to Extinction is their second best.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gorille85 on December 09, 2010, 03:35:52 PM
I'll have to get Rust in Peace at some point! D:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 09, 2010, 03:50:41 PM
What do you do when you're possessed with hellish torment?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2010, 04:01:58 PM
What do you do when you're possessed with hellish torment?

"IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII master monkeys twelve!"

(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/Misc/12monkeys.jpg)

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 09, 2010, 04:04:59 PM
And who do you haunt?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 09, 2010, 04:10:29 PM
If they've got another album close to RiPs quality, then I might be totally sold on them.
Well there isn't another album even close to Rust in Peace, but I'd say Countdown to Extinction is their second best.
I agree that Countdown would be your next best bet, though I'm sure others will disagree.  It's got the same line-up as RIP, and I think it's the perfect cross between their more technical side and their more melodic side.  Granted, though, it's not nearly as technical as RIP.  The vocals and melodies, however, are a lot better, IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2010, 04:12:12 PM
Man, I was such a huge Deth fan years ago, but over the last 2 or so years, I've just totally lost interest in them.  I don't know what it is.  Chris Broderick IMO isn't bringing anything new or fresh to the band.  IMO, Glenn Drover was a fresh sound guitar wise for Deth, he wasn't as technically good as Chris, but Chris just seems like a robot to me who just copies the parts without adding anything personal to it.  Glenn's style worked better with Dave's IMO.

Sorry, just wanted to get that off my chest.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 09, 2010, 04:16:01 PM
Yeah Chris Broderick is amazing and the current lineup is the best since Nick and Marty, I've bitched about deth when it was due but now I'm back to being the geeky hardcore fan I used to be before UA.
Now somebody needs to answer my question from my previous post cause I'm totally elevated by this epic atm
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 09, 2010, 05:28:46 PM
So guys...

I like Rust in Peace.  A lot.  What Megadeth album should I get next.  Be warned that I've tried a lot of songs, and they've all been huge hits (Dialectic Chaos, Peace Sells) or huge misses (Skin O My Teeth, Wake Up Dead, Most of Endgame).  If they've got another album close to RiPs quality, then I might be totally sold on them.

Well it's a no brainer. If you like Rust a lot, you have to get Peace Sells But Who's Buying. There's no question about that, at all!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2010, 06:50:59 PM
I love Rust, but I hate the earlier albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 09, 2010, 08:04:46 PM
I love Rust, but I hate the earlier albums.
wat.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 09, 2010, 08:06:36 PM
I love Rust, but I hate the earlier albums.
wat.
i dont even.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on December 13, 2010, 07:42:42 AM
The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.

Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on December 13, 2010, 10:24:36 AM
Skin O' My Teeth a miss?! Blasphemy!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on December 13, 2010, 04:54:15 PM
The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.

Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.

You know that Dave's vocals are so overdubbed it is more of a studio record than a live one. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It does not bother me either but I do feel the need to mention this when I hear of how "spot on" he sounds.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on December 13, 2010, 09:25:37 PM
More Big 4 shows in the UK
https://uk.sonispherefestivals.com/news/sonisphere-brings-the-big-4-to-the-uk-for-the-first-time-ever/ (https://uk.sonispherefestivals.com/news/sonisphere-brings-the-big-4-to-the-uk-for-the-first-time-ever/)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on December 14, 2010, 02:38:04 AM
The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.

Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.

You know that Dave's vocals are so overdubbed it is more of a studio record than a live one. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It does not bother me either but I do feel the need to mention this when I hear of how "spot on" he sounds.

I know. It's strange that the others didn't overdubbed too by that prism.
 :corn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 14, 2010, 04:20:43 AM
The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.

Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.

You know that Dave's vocals are so overdubbed it is more of a studio record than a live one. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It does not bother me either but I do feel the need to mention this when I hear of how "spot on" he sounds.

It seems like they fixed it for DVD version cause in the version I got his voice sounds like torture.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on December 14, 2010, 05:36:59 AM
The Big 4 DVD is the best Megadeth Live album apart from the Warchest 90s Wembley show. Mustaine vocals are on spot.

Metallica is Metallica and they have released too many live shows in past few years and the setlist is meh.
Anthrax has an interesting show, the riffs are there and the sound is awesome but never was a fan of Belladonna.
Slayer has a weak Araya and there are many better live shows from them.

You know that Dave's vocals are so overdubbed it is more of a studio record than a live one. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It does not bother me either but I do feel the need to mention this when I hear of how "spot on" he sounds.

It seems like they fixed it for DVD version cause in the version I got his voice sounds like torture.
A friend of mine told me he always does that. He overdubs his vocal tracks in every DVD he does so he can sound good. He didn't do that in the Rude Awakening DVD, and he sounds awful there.

EEEEYEEEEAH
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 14, 2010, 03:05:49 PM
But you know I mind it when Mustaine's voice is off, I like his off voice, it's raw, sloppy, shitty, evil and slightly disgusting heh
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 14, 2010, 04:50:53 PM
But you know I mind it when Mustaine's voice is off, I like his off voice, it's raw, sloppy, shitty, evil and slightly disgusting heh

I don't mind it either. When I saw him live last year he sounded pretty good singing everything in key at least.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on December 14, 2010, 07:20:03 PM
But you know I mind it when Mustaine's voice is off, I like his off voice, it's raw, sloppy, shitty, evil and slightly disgusting heh

I don't mind it either. When I saw him live last year he sounded pretty good singing everything in key at least.

I saw him over the summer and he sounded alright. Although I tend to not notice flaws live because I am having such a good time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on December 14, 2010, 11:06:07 PM
Megadeth survivor is back up. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19143.0) :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on December 14, 2010, 11:37:02 PM
Megadeth survivor is back up. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19143.0) :D

Thanks bro!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 15, 2010, 12:37:01 AM
I didn't know that Al Pitrelli, who used to be with Savatage, is currently a main member of Trans-Siberian Orchestra, which used to BE Savatage.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on December 15, 2010, 01:57:50 AM
I didn't know that Al Pitrelli, who used to be with Savatage, is currently a main member of Trans-Siberian Orchestra, which used to BE Savatage.

Wow, me neither. Maybe I'll go see them after all...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 19, 2010, 06:44:56 PM
Didn't Al Pitrelli also play with Megadeth?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on December 19, 2010, 06:56:51 PM
Didn't Al Pitrelli also play with Megadeth?

Yes, that's why metty mentioned it in this thread.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 19, 2010, 07:00:43 PM
Fuck, sorry.

Not being on the forum for seven days is really throwing me off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on December 19, 2010, 07:32:00 PM
So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 19, 2010, 07:33:34 PM
The first album's remaster is probably worth it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 19, 2010, 08:45:23 PM
So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?
The first album's remaster is probably worth it.

More like absolutely worth it! I haven't heard many albums that have been COMPLETELY overhauled like this one. In fact the label liked it so much, they got Dave to do the rest of the catalog later in 2004.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on December 19, 2010, 10:35:19 PM
So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?

Do you have or have you heard the originals?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on December 19, 2010, 10:35:54 PM
So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?

Do you have or have you heard the originals?
I have the original ones.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 19, 2010, 11:38:47 PM
So, I've been thinking of getting the remasters of Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells... are they worth it?

Do you have or have you heard the originals?
I have the original ones.
I think the debut remaster is definitely worth it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on December 20, 2010, 11:02:01 AM
I'm getting the feeling that the Peace Sell remaster isn't worth it. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 20, 2010, 11:03:12 AM
I'm getting the feeling that the Peace Sell remaster isn't worth it. :lol
I honestly haven't heard that one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 20, 2010, 05:19:17 PM
I'm getting the feeling that the Peace Sell remaster isn't worth it. :lol
I honestly haven't heard that one.
The first four are worth it for sure. Just download em if you aren't sure.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on December 20, 2010, 08:18:49 PM
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction?  GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASE
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 20, 2010, 08:22:41 PM
Peace Sells
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on December 20, 2010, 08:23:58 PM
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction?  GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASE

Countdown, easily.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on December 20, 2010, 08:26:05 PM
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction?  GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASE
Peace Sells, no doubt.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 20, 2010, 08:53:16 PM
Peace Sells
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 20, 2010, 09:31:42 PM
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction?  GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASE
Peace Sells, no doubt.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 20, 2010, 10:21:54 PM
Countdown, without equivocation. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 21, 2010, 03:40:46 AM
Countdown, without equivocation. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 21, 2010, 03:50:24 AM
Okay guys, Peace Sells or Countdown to Extinction?  GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOYOUDECIDEMYNEXTPURCHASE

Both.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on December 21, 2010, 09:44:12 AM
Countdown, without equivocation. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 21, 2010, 08:52:36 PM
I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 21, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal
"Devil's Island" :2metal:

How can I view my 666th Megadeth scrobble?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 22, 2010, 04:12:02 AM
I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal
"Devil's Island" :2metal:

How can I view my 666th Megadeth scrobble?

:tup That nails it in for me.

https://www.last.fm/user/BirchBoy0925/library
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 22, 2010, 01:42:26 PM
I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal
"Devil's Island" :2metal:

How can I view my 666th Megadeth scrobble?

:tup That nails it in for me.

https://www.last.fm/user/BirchBoy0925/library
But how do I actually know what song was my 666th scrobble?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on December 22, 2010, 04:53:14 PM
I'm one play off 666 plays for Megadeth on my Last.fm. Which song shall I make the 666th? :metal
"Devil's Island" :2metal:

How can I view my 666th Megadeth scrobble?

:tup That nails it in for me.

https://www.last.fm/user/BirchBoy0925/library
But how do I actually know what song was my 666th scrobble?
Hmmmmmmmm.. There are those tool thingos that show you your "milestone" play. 1000th > 1500th, etc. I've only seen that for total plays for your whole Last.fm. For bands? I have no clue mate.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on December 23, 2010, 05:52:23 PM
Well, I'm listening to Peace Sells now.  On "Devil's Island" right now.  Man, the two Daves beat Metallica in the great thrash war singlehandedly in my book.  Ride and Master are good albums, and I like what I've heard from the black album (the hits), but so far, Peace Sells and Rust in Peace are nothing but gold, and they're much more energetic than the Metallica stuff.  I just want to run around and punch all of my neighbors in the face.

Plus the riffs are just more interesting, esp. on Rust.  I'm kind of scared to check out Countdown, since the only track I've heard from that is Symphony of Destruction, which sounds a lot slower and straightforward. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 23, 2010, 05:56:46 PM
Man, it's so awesome to see someone who agrees with me about Megadeth's catalog being far superior than Metallica's (I know there's a few of you out there, but hell, we have one more now. :D). There really is no comparison. Metallica were humping the pentatonic scale's leg for years, while Megadeth was already way ahead of the game.

Don't let Symphony scare you. I love that song, but it's DEFINITELY the most mainstream and simple song on the album. You will not be disappointed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on December 23, 2010, 06:00:43 PM
All right, cool.  Don't use me as an example of someone who likes Megadeth's catalog as a whole better than Metallica's, I only have two albums from them each :P

I find it kind of funny that Dave started Megadeth to start a band that would be better than Metallica.  He wrote better music, but depending on your definition of "band," he kinda failed.  :lol

EDIT: Oh man that bass/drum break in "Bad Omen" was so damn cool.  And so is the following riff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 23, 2010, 06:03:55 PM
I think that's part of the reason Megadeth has been so consistently good. Metallica have been sitting on the same lackluster musicians (with the exception of Cliff) for 27 years. Megadeth's lineup has been refreshed and rejuvenated so many times that the albums all sound unique.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on December 23, 2010, 06:06:53 PM
Yeah, but I personally find it hard to take a "band" seriously when its really one guy writing all the music with a nearly constant revolving door of members.  I can take Opeth a bit more seriously as a band than just Mikael's thing, mostly because of Martin Mendez and Per Wiberg (who's been with the band, though not an official member since BWP, right?).  I'm not really sure if that makes sense, just one of those "main guy overshadowing everyone else" sort of thing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 23, 2010, 07:36:27 PM
I'll pull the Devin Townsend card now. :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on December 23, 2010, 07:38:47 PM
I suppose the difference with Devin Townsend is that it's his "solo" project by name, whereas with bands like Megadeth, it's basically a guy's solo project under the guise of being a "band."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on December 23, 2010, 08:17:10 PM
I suppose the difference with Devin Townsend is that it's his "solo" project by name, whereas with bands like Megadeth, it's basically a guy's solo project under the guise of being a "band."

Was going to say this.  The one time Devin actually had a band, they were the same members between both albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 23, 2010, 08:19:56 PM
Yeah, I suppose that's true. Bad example.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on December 23, 2010, 08:27:35 PM
Well, Dave Ellefson was the bass player for nearly the first 20 years of Megadeth (and has recently returned), and Marty Friedman played lead for around 9 years.  So there have definitely been significant stretches where it has been more of a band and less Mustaine and friends.  But with all the changes in the past decade, I could see why one might feel that way.  Maybe because they always seemed like a true band in the 90's, which is when I first became a fan, it's easier for me to still see them that way.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: alpheus94 on December 23, 2010, 09:09:07 PM
I saw Megadeth live for the first time this year with Anthrax and Slayer. It was a great show. Met Chris Broderick afterward and he was very cool. Their show was TIGHT.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on December 23, 2010, 09:10:48 PM
Where'd you meet Chris?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on December 23, 2010, 11:31:17 PM
Man, it's so awesome to see someone who agrees with me about Megadeth's catalog being far superior than Metallica's (I know there's a few of you out there, but hell, we have one more now. :D).

I'm in that group, too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 23, 2010, 11:42:21 PM
Man, it's so awesome to see someone who agrees with me about Megadeth's catalog being far superior than Metallica's (I know there's a few of you out there, but hell, we have one more now. :D).

I'm in that group, too.

Me three
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on January 14, 2011, 10:01:57 PM
Megadeth is gonna be playing at 11PM PST/ 2AM EST for a full hour at the Namm Jam. It's being filmed live.
https://www.livestream.com/deanguitars?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks (https://www.livestream.com/deanguitars?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks)




Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on January 14, 2011, 10:09:54 PM
Megadeth catalogs are favored by guitar players and Metallica catalog is favored by normal listeners.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 14, 2011, 10:13:42 PM
People who favor Megadeth are scientifically proven to get laid more.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on January 23, 2011, 09:33:34 AM
MEGADETH, ANTHRAX Bassists Talk About Signature Models, 'Big Four' Tour - Jan. 22, 2011 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152638)

It's funny how subtly every member of the Big 4 have been hinting at a United States tour. Watch the last thirty-five seconds.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on January 23, 2011, 09:37:06 AM
Of course they're hinting, it will happen!

The only thing is, where will it happen? When you have Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax, you can't fill a 6000 seat amphitheater, but when you throw Metallica into it all, you can fill stadiums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jsem on January 23, 2011, 09:43:19 AM
Megadeth is better than Metallica tho.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on January 23, 2011, 09:44:15 AM
I'm not getting into this at this particular juncture. :lol

All I am saying is, are they going to play stadiums?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on January 23, 2011, 09:46:12 AM
Depending on what time of year, they could either play Madison Square Garden (20,000 people) or Yankee Stadium (52,000 people). Those are my guesses.

If it's a very short tour and this stop is their only East Coast stop than probably YS.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 23, 2011, 09:47:05 AM
Megadeth is better than Metallica tho.

+1 with the power of a thousand suns
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 23, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
I'm not getting into this at this particular juncture. :lol

All I am saying is, are they going to play stadiums?
You answered your own question. If they have Metallica, they will fill stadiums, therefore, they will play stadiums. Playing anything else is extraordinarily stupid.

Also, Slayer > Megadeth > Anthrax >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Metallica
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on January 23, 2011, 09:49:29 AM
Depending on what time of year, they could either play Madison Square Garden (20,000 people) or Yankee Stadium (52,000 people). Those are my guesses.

If it's a very short tour and this stop is their only East Coast stop than probably YS.

See, that is what I am saying. I mean, when you think about it, their normal back up bands are pretty damn popular. I mean, I saw them on their World Magnetic tour and the first time, they had Machine Head opening for them, and the second time, they had Lamb of God. Two huge metal acts in this generation. So, I mean, I guess Slayer and Megadeth are more popular but not by much. Anthrax isn't as popular. So, they could pack an arena or just go for a stadium. I am hoping for a arena. I hate stadiums with a passion.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 23, 2011, 09:51:02 AM
Depending on what time of year, they could either play Madison Square Garden (20,000 people) or Yankee Stadium (52,000 people). Those are my guesses.

If it's a very short tour and this stop is their only East Coast stop than probably YS.

See, that is what I am saying. I mean, when you think about it, their normal back up bands are pretty damn popular. I mean, I saw them on their World Magnetic tour and the first time, they had Machine Head opening for them, and the second time, they had Lamb of God. Two huge metal acts in this generation. So, I mean, I guess Slayer and Megadeth are more popular but not by much. Anthrax isn't as popular. So, they could pack an arena or just go for a stadium. I am hoping for a arena. I hate stadiums with a passion.
It's not even a matter of the individual band's popularity. Any self-respecting thrash fan will be at this show, regardless. Playing anything less than stadiums is a terrible idea that will not go over very well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on January 23, 2011, 09:51:24 AM
I've never seen a concert at a stadium, so I can't really comment. It'd be an interesting experience that I'd love to go to though. The only two acts that I know play stadiums constantly are Dave Matthews Band and that short tour that Eminem and Jay-Z (or Kanye West, I honestly don't know much about rappers besides Eminem lulz).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on January 23, 2011, 09:52:20 AM
Slayer>>Megadeth>Metallica>>>>>>>Anthrax
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 23, 2011, 09:53:34 AM
I need to get my hands back on the original Killing is my Business

Listening to "These Boots"


"You keep saying you got something for me
Something you call luck but *BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*
And you've been *BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*"


 :lol Ruining the greatest cover of all time
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on January 23, 2011, 09:56:21 AM
UMH:

You are right, and I am saying now, they will probably play stadiums. No offense to your favorite bands, because I definitely don't want to come off as a dick, but this is Metallica's gig. They can rake in fans by the thousands. And I understand that you said "any self respecting thrash fan" would go, but do they outnumber the wishy-washy "ENTER SANDMAN!!! :metal " people because those ass holes, are not gonna be there for this one. Metallica's dudes needs to analyze how many people they think they could fit into a stadium and how many would show up. Metallica did a Summer Sanitarium tour with stadiums with bands much more accessible than Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax and I do not know how it did

Birch:

Stadiums have advantages and disadvantages, to me, the disadvantages out weigh the advantages.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 23, 2011, 10:01:05 AM
UMH:

You are right, and I am saying now, they will probably play stadiums. No offense to your favorite bands, because I definitely don't want to come off as a dick, but this is Metallica's gig. They can rake in fans by the thousands. And I understand that you said "any self respecting thrash fan" would go, but do they outnumber the wishy-washy "ENTER SANDMAN!!! :metal " people because those ass holes, are not gonna be there for this one. Metallica's dudes needs to analyze how many people they think they could fit into a stadium and how many would show up. Metallica did a Summer Sanitarium tour with stadiums with bands much more accessible than Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax and I do not know how it did

Well, even if they do lose the "Enter Sandman" people, they will gain people like me who would not go to see Metallica by themselves. I'm sure there's plenty of Megadeth and Slayer fans who have far grown out of Metallica who will go to see this just because of the novelty.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on January 23, 2011, 10:03:58 AM
Like I said, you are probably right, but for my own selfish reasons, I want it to be in an arena.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on January 23, 2011, 05:44:39 PM
Are we still arguing who's better Metallica or Megadeth?
Typical, while in the Metallica thread no one is even thinking about discussing anything Megadeth related, what does that tell you.
I love both bands equally, they are equally as good to me, there are pros to each of them that the other doesn't have and same goes for cons, I just wish the exclusive Megadeth fans would get less spiteful and stop the kind of comparing that means to belittle Metallica.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on January 23, 2011, 06:09:36 PM
I guess thinking Megadeth is 200% better than Metallica is cool. I don't see why any fan should compare. Just enjoy the fuckin' music.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2011, 09:08:49 AM
I know (1) I'm probably in the minority, and (2) it'll never happen anyway, but I really wish they would do another big 4, but ditch Slayer and replace them with Testament, and ditch Anthrax and replace them with Flotsam & Jetsam.  To me, that would make the PERFECT thrash lineup.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jsem on January 24, 2011, 09:10:31 AM
Testament is def greater than Slayer imho  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on January 24, 2011, 09:17:28 AM
Justin Bieber is greater than Slayer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on January 24, 2011, 09:18:16 AM
1. Megadeth
2. Testament
3. Metallica
4. Slayer
5. Justin Bieber
6. Anthrax

My personal ranking.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2011, 09:18:29 AM
F&J are really underrated as well.  Listen to this and try to tell me with a straight face that you did not involuntarily headbang:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2-xo6CEV2o
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on January 24, 2011, 10:59:08 AM
I really wish they would do another big 4, but ditch Slayer and replace them with Testament, and ditch Anthrax and replace them with Flotsam & Jetsam.  To me, that would make the PERFECT thrash lineup.

I've never been able to get into Slayer, so I'd be fine with that change, but I actually like Anthrax. I'd never go see a show of just them, but if they were the opening act for the other three bands, I'd be more than happy with that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on January 24, 2011, 12:00:18 PM
I know (1) I'm probably in the minority, and (2) it'll never happen anyway, but I really wish they would do another big 4, but ditch Slayer and replace them with Testament, and ditch Anthrax and replace them with Flotsam & Jetsam.  To me, that would make the PERFECT thrash lineup.
Nah, just ditch Slayer and add Testament and F&J.

Slayer sucks anyway.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on January 24, 2011, 01:54:11 PM
I'm with bosk, ditch Slayer and Anthrax, Testament and F&J are so much better.
Of course my personal preference would be a Big 2, longer sets from tallica and deth, a very happy audience that stays for the entire show.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 24, 2011, 02:06:07 PM
Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on January 24, 2011, 02:07:56 PM
EVERYONE BETTER BE PARTICIPATING IN THE SURVIVOR.

 ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on January 24, 2011, 02:08:44 PM
I am just praying the show locally near me (if there is one, and there should be, given the Bay Area) is a Saturday. Going to be tough to do it any other day.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on January 24, 2011, 02:10:35 PM
Just caught "Blood in the Water," the high-def show from San Diego for the second time on HDnet last night.  Man that rocks. Anyone know if it will ever be released? I am assuming it was put on hold because of the RiP 20th Anniversary celebration.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 24, 2011, 02:12:17 PM
I don't think they'll ever release it, honestly. LoMenzo's not in the band anymore.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on January 24, 2011, 02:13:41 PM
Man that rocks.


It's pretty good for a studio album synced to live video.




Seriously, I would rather hear all the mistakes than see that much obvious overdubbing.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on January 24, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.
Slayer is still there, everybody loses.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 24, 2011, 02:27:38 PM
Your mom loses.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2011, 03:14:57 PM
Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I suppose that works.  You get 4 great bands, and long intermissions.  So, yeah, I guess it really is a win-win.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 24, 2011, 03:30:01 PM
You misread. There's 8 great bands.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on January 24, 2011, 06:14:26 PM
Maybe they'll do that concert in your house on your birthday Ultimetalhead, the only place where they'll interested audience heh
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dimitrius on January 24, 2011, 06:21:17 PM
You misread. There's 8 great bands.
More like 7.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2011, 06:24:56 PM
The number you are looking for is "4."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_(number)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on January 24, 2011, 10:57:39 PM
Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on January 24, 2011, 11:32:15 PM
Megadeth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on January 24, 2011, 11:39:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tga5O8YDpzg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tga5O8YDpzg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on January 26, 2011, 10:53:59 AM

Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
That's like a mass exodus of thrash.  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on January 26, 2011, 12:56:28 PM

Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
That's like a mass exodus of thrash.  :neverusethis:
Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on January 26, 2011, 01:37:38 PM

Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
That's like a mass exodus of thrash.  :neverusethis:
Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:
A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2011, 01:40:37 PM

Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
That's like a mass exodus of thrash.  :neverusethis:
Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:
A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:
That's getting really annoying.  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on January 26, 2011, 01:42:14 PM

Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
That's like a mass exodus of thrash.  :neverusethis:
Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:
A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:
That's getting really annoying.  :neverusethis:
I don't know what you're talking about...








:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 26, 2011, 05:58:10 PM
Careful, Birch. We don't want bosk to send you a letter filled with Anthrax. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on January 26, 2011, 06:15:08 PM
That'll definitely cause at least a megadeath of damage. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2011, 06:30:31 PM
Nah, I just send letters containing spam bombs that knock spammers' post counts down to zero.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 26, 2011, 06:31:45 PM
Nah, I just sent letters containing spam bombs that knock spammers' post counts down to zero.
Looks like it got you too. :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2011, 06:34:16 PM
Collateral damage.

:ruben:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 26, 2011, 06:35:38 PM
That cuts real deep, bosky. Real deep.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2011, 06:37:14 PM
The emote or the fact that you have 1 post?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 26, 2011, 06:37:49 PM
Meh, either or really.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
I'll put it back.  But please stop postwhoring now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 26, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
I'm really not sure how posting one continuation of a joke is considered post whoring, but hell. Whatever maintains the buoyancy of your aquatic vessel.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2011, 06:44:11 PM
The joke has gone on for almost a page, and nearly half of it is your posting.  Not a huge deal (especially once you stopped the quote pyramiding).  You know I'm pretty lenient about that.  But it's long since run its course, and now just looks like running up post count, IMO, so I'm kindly asking you to stop now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on January 26, 2011, 10:03:47 PM
Irony.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on February 04, 2011, 11:20:47 PM
SICK news from their website!

Quote
2011 marks the 25th anniversary of Megadeth's second album, "Peace Sells… But Who's Buying?!" So will the band tour behind that as well like they did for the 20th anniversary of "Rust In Peace" last year? Dave Mustaine told VH1 Radio Networks' Dave Basner, "We've already had people talk to us about doing that and I told our manager that I'm totally interested in doing 'Peace Sells' for a 25th anniversary this year but I don't want to do it all year like we did with 'Rust in Peace'. I want to do it towards the end of the year. So we'll do the whole year doing our thing and then come around October, where the end of the year is, you've got a quarter of the year left, October, November and December, where we can do the 'Peace Sells' thing."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on February 05, 2011, 12:08:15 AM
Arent there songs on that album that he doesn't play anymore because of his religion?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: lateralus88 on February 05, 2011, 01:14:59 AM

Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
That's like a mass exodus of thrash.  :neverusethis:
Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:
A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:
That's getting really annoying.  :neverusethis:
I don't know what you're talking about...








:neverusethis:
Kreator :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on February 05, 2011, 01:43:14 AM
IMO there should just be a big 3 - Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer. Its pretty definate that they are the 3 biggest thrash metal bands.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 05, 2011, 10:16:14 AM
I don't get the hate for Anthrax. True, they were not as consistently good as Megadeth or Slayer (and Metallica, to a lesser extent), but they did much more interesting things with their music than Slayer ever did.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 05, 2011, 10:24:05 AM
SICK news from their website!

Quote
2011 marks the 25th anniversary of Megadeth's second album, "Peace Sells… But Who's Buying?!" So will the band tour behind that as well like they did for the 20th anniversary of "Rust In Peace" last year? Dave Mustaine told VH1 Radio Networks' Dave Basner, "We've already had people talk to us about doing that and I told our manager that I'm totally interested in doing 'Peace Sells' for a 25th anniversary this year but I don't want to do it all year like we did with 'Rust in Peace'. I want to do it towards the end of the year. So we'll do the whole year doing our thing and then come around October, where the end of the year is, you've got a quarter of the year left, October, November and December, where we can do the 'Peace Sells' thing."
Holy fucking shit fuck. If this means they are playing The Conjuring and GM/BF, I am not missing this for the world.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on February 05, 2011, 10:31:31 AM
I'm still pissed that I missed Rust in Peace. When they played in Halifax last summer, I was in Ottawa, and when they played in Montreal (close enough to Ottawa that I would have gone), I was in Halifax.

Megadeth is the band that got me into metal and Rust in Peace was the main reason for that. I've been listening to metal for five and a half years now thanks to Megadeth and I still haven't seem them live. Bah.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 05, 2011, 10:38:02 AM
Rust in Peace was amazing live. No breaks in the action, just thrash classic after thrash classic. One of the best shows I've ever seen. Following it up with Slayer was even better.

Oh fuck, if they pair up with Slayer again so they can do Reign in Blood, I will die of pure metal overload.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on February 05, 2011, 02:27:46 PM

Better yet, just make a big 8. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Overkill, Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, and Testament.

There, everybody wins.

I dunno man, that just seems like overkill to me. :neverusethis:
That's like a mass exodus of thrash.  :neverusethis:
Or a mega slaying of metal. :neverusethis:
A true testament to thrash metal's staying power. :neverusethis:
That's getting really annoying.  :neverusethis:
I don't know what you're talking about...








:neverusethis:
Kreator :neverusethis:
:metalol:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DarkEternalNight on February 05, 2011, 02:44:09 PM
That sounds great. Really hope they tour nearby.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on February 09, 2011, 01:05:03 AM
Whole concert from 2005.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMirpTMwxGQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMirpTMwxGQ)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2011, 06:02:26 AM
I don't get the hate for Anthrax. True, they were not as consistently good as Megadeth or Slayer (and Metallica, to a lesser extent), but they did much more interesting things with their music than Slayer ever did.

That's true, but when I think of Anthrax, it's easy to get frustrated because they were a band that consistantly shot themselves in the foot along the way. Give them credit for the willingness to change things up, but the band couldn't get out of its own way since the let Joey go.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on February 09, 2011, 04:36:58 PM
First two lineups of Thrax = their best.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on February 26, 2011, 08:21:19 PM
FYI, there's talk of a Peace Sells tour.

The Conjuring... :o
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on February 27, 2011, 12:12:50 AM
FYI, there's talk of a Peace Sells tour.

The Conjuring... :o
We know ;) see below.

SICK news from their website!

Quote
2011 marks the 25th anniversary of Megadeth's second album, "Peace Sells… But Who's Buying?!" So will the band tour behind that as well like they did for the 20th anniversary of "Rust In Peace" last year? Dave Mustaine told VH1 Radio Networks' Dave Basner, "We've already had people talk to us about doing that and I told our manager that I'm totally interested in doing 'Peace Sells' for a 25th anniversary this year but I don't want to do it all year like we did with 'Rust in Peace'. I want to do it towards the end of the year. So we'll do the whole year doing our thing and then come around October, where the end of the year is, you've got a quarter of the year left, October, November and December, where we can do the 'Peace Sells' thing."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 27, 2011, 07:24:47 PM
Listening to United Abominations for the first time in...probably a year. It's still awesome, and I still have no idea why the hell anybody would have a problem with it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on February 27, 2011, 07:34:18 PM
I love United Abominations. It's actually in my top 5 Megadeth albums, and it's better than Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on February 27, 2011, 07:35:00 PM
^Indeed.
Post-injury Megadeth:
System
Abominations
Endgame
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on February 27, 2011, 07:37:11 PM
Abominations
Endgame
System
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 27, 2011, 07:45:55 PM
Okay, now that's just crazy talk. Endgame is their best since RIP. No doubt.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on February 27, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
wat

Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 27, 2011, 07:48:57 PM
wat

Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia...
As good as those 2 are, I have to respond this way:

lolno
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: xeper on February 27, 2011, 08:48:53 PM
Endgame is my favorite Megadeth album since Cryptic Writings. The few albums prior to this one weren't bad, they just didn't bowl me over.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on February 27, 2011, 09:04:26 PM
I love United Abominations. It's actually in my top 5 Megadeth albums, and it's better than Endgame.

This.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on February 27, 2011, 11:28:02 PM
^Indeed.
Post-injury Megadeth:
System
Abominations
Endgame

I agree. The main reason I'm quoting, however, is because I like how you classified those 3 albums. hahah
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on February 28, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
^Indeed.
Post-injury Megadeth:
System
Abominations
Endgame

I agree. The main reason I'm quoting, however, is because I like how you classified those 3 albums. hahah

Yeah man, because Megadeth is Dave Mustaine nowadays and so there you go. Post-injury Megadeth!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 28, 2011, 07:18:31 PM
Watching Dave trying to sing live is painful.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 28, 2011, 07:47:45 PM
I think I've fallen in love with Megadeth again. Spinning Youthanasia tonight.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 28, 2011, 07:51:52 PM
One of my favourite albums to play along to.  Did so yesterday.  Was most rewarding.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on February 28, 2011, 08:40:39 PM
I think I've fallen in love with Megadeth again. Spinning Youthanasia tonight.  :metal

You can only ignore Dave so long before it comes again: your Reckoning Day!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 01, 2011, 02:26:20 AM
Just got a massive haul of 'deth bootlegs from 85-92.  At their prime they were freaking untouchable.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on March 01, 2011, 02:38:43 AM
I've played Youthanasia yesterday, so many golden tracks. I love how melodic it is, although Cryptic writings is the one I enjoy more - those tunes are just too perfect.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 01, 2011, 11:42:07 AM
I'll Get Even and Sin let down Cryptic Writings for me.  But I love the rest of it.  Youthanasia is still the best them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 01, 2011, 07:17:11 PM
Cryptic Writings is pretty weak for me. It's not that the songs are bad, they're mostly just boring. I'd say it's my least favorite Megadeth album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on March 01, 2011, 10:07:52 PM
I love CW.  First album to come out after I had become a fan of the band.

But Countdown is the best them!

inb4lolnoRIP
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 01, 2011, 10:23:47 PM
lolnoRIP
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on March 01, 2011, 10:28:30 PM
But Countdown is the best them!

inb4lolnoRIP
lolnoRIP

 :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 01, 2011, 10:32:12 PM
But Countdown is the best them!

inb4lolnoRIP
lolnoRIP

 :lol

Sorry bud. Had to. :lol

Seriously, I love Peace Sells, Rust, and Countdown. They're all pretty much "FUCKIN A!" :metal. I know many people will mention Countdown as the best or their favourite.
Considering I have new headphones, I wouldn't mind giving Countdown a listen to hear how it sounds. Maybe the remix album, we'll see.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on March 01, 2011, 10:40:56 PM
Likewise, if someone were to ask me for the pinnacle of thrash metal perfection, I'd give them RIP.  Countdown is just my personal favorite.  The music is still great (though getting a little more commercial and less technical), but it was really the rise in quality of both Dave's lyrics and vocals that makes it their marquee album for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 02, 2011, 04:55:59 AM
I have now come to the conclusion that This Day We Fight is a perfect thrash song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 02, 2011, 06:01:56 AM
Likewise, if someone were to ask me for the pinnacle of thrash metal perfection, I'd give them RIP.  Countdown is just my personal favorite. 

Same here, except the Countdown part. I recognize RIP as their best, and it is my 2nd fave, but my personal fave actually goes to SFSGSW.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 03, 2011, 03:07:19 PM
I'll give RIP the "best" award as well.  But Countdown, Youthanasia, and Risk are all VERY close behind.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 03, 2011, 04:19:11 PM
I have now come to the conclusion that This Day We Fight is a perfect thrash song.
One of the best off Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 03, 2011, 04:32:04 PM
But Countdown is the best them!

inb4lolnoRIP
lolnoRIP

 :lol

Sorry bud. Had to. :lol

Seriously, I love Peace Sells, Rust, and Countdown. They're all pretty much "FUCKIN A!" :metal. I know many people will mention Countdown as the best or their favourite.
Considering I have new headphones, I wouldn't mind giving Countdown a listen to hear how it sounds. Maybe the remix album, we'll see.

Gave Countdown a spin yesterday, like I said I was gonna, and it sounded really good. The remix ain't so bad after all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on March 03, 2011, 04:52:30 PM
The remix is horrible compared to the original.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 04, 2011, 12:22:11 AM
The remix is horrible compared to the original.

Mhmm
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 04, 2011, 08:29:48 AM
The remix is horrible compared to the original.

I've heard a lot of people say this about the Megadeth remixes. I've only heard the original version of Rust in Peace and to be perfectly honest, I didn't really notice a huge difference. Now mind you, this was about six years ago when I barely knew anything about music, but still. What is it that makes the remixes so bad?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on March 04, 2011, 08:37:24 AM
The guitars for one sound like utter shit. I don't know if it's the compression, but the new tone sounds awful to me. Maybe I'm just used to the tinny sounding production.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 04, 2011, 01:26:49 PM
The remixes aren't bad. It's just that when you know and love an album the way it is, and you don't necessarily want a re-release, sometimes the changes can be jarring. I personally miss the intro of Insomnia.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 04, 2011, 03:06:04 PM
The remixes aren't bad. It's just that when you know and love an album the way it is, and you don't necessarily want a re-release, sometimes the changes can be jarring. I personally miss the intro of Insomnia.

???  They took out the intro to Insomnia on the remix?  Really? 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 04, 2011, 04:04:54 PM
Yeah. It goes right into the main riff. That cool violin intro is completely gone.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 04, 2011, 06:38:30 PM
The remix of Use the Man also does not have the song Needles and Pins at the beginning.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 04, 2011, 06:46:29 PM
The remix is horrible compared to the original.

I've heard a lot of people say this about the Megadeth remixes. I've only heard the original version of Rust in Peace and to be perfectly honest, I didn't really notice a huge difference. Now mind you, this was about six years ago when I barely knew anything about music, but still. What is it that makes the remixes so bad?

I think the remix of RIP is awesome. It really beefed up the songs and they sound much better that way IMO.

Remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYlUe-SDqA0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYlUe-SDqA0)

Original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY0ersv8saU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY0ersv8saU)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 04, 2011, 08:50:35 PM
The remix is horrible compared to the original.

I've heard a lot of people say this about the Megadeth remixes. I've only heard the original version of Rust in Peace and to be perfectly honest, I didn't really notice a huge difference. Now mind you, this was about six years ago when I barely knew anything about music, but still. What is it that makes the remixes so bad?

I think the remix of RIP is awesome. It really beefed up the songs and they sound much better that way IMO.

Remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYlUe-SDqA0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYlUe-SDqA0)

Original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY0ersv8saU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY0ersv8saU)

I'll agree that the mix sounds a lot heavier than the original.  But, in remastering it, they've also ruined a lot of the things that made it awesome in the first place.  Examples that immediately spring to mind are;

1. The crappy vocal takes used in Lucretia that make Dave sound like that short, fat dude from Police Academy.

2. The replacement of Dave Ellefson's bass tapping break in Take No Prisoners with a crappy, tinny sounding clean guitar line.

3. The changes in vocals on Five Magics.  The lyrics are messed around with and the 'possessed with hellish torment' echoes just sound retarded.


I swapped my original copy with a friend for the remaster back in high school; worst. trade. ever.  Luckily the original is available on itunes, I just got that and my love for the album has been rekindled.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 04, 2011, 09:01:24 PM
Yeah, I think RIP is the only remix that I actually can't bear to listen to over the original. All of the others have enough improvements to outweigh some of the bad decisions (I prefer the Needles & Pins song not be in front of Use the Man, for example).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 04, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
I had no idea that bass tapping in the remix of TNP was a clean guitar. Took a few listens, but yep, definitely guitar. :o
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 04, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
I don't think I've ever heard the Cryptic Writings remaster.  The Youthanasia one is awesome, I'm so glad I don't have to hear that freaking shaker in every song.  Countdown... not so much.  There isn't really any point in remastering an already perfect album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on March 04, 2011, 11:54:36 PM
Shaker? When I think Youthanasia, I think REALLY LOUD BASS. It actually used to bother me when I was younger.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 05, 2011, 07:26:54 PM
Shaker? When I think Youthanasia, I think REALLY LOUD BASS. It actually used to bother me when I was younger.

Yeah.  One of those ones with all the bearings on it that you turn around a cylinder-type thing.  I don't know what its called.  Once you hear it, you'll shit bricks.  And then you'll never be able to un-hear it.  

The bass never stood out for me, to be honest.

EDIT:  Its called a cabasa:
(https://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4077395/2/istockphoto_4077395-afuche-cabasa-three-quarter-view.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 05, 2011, 08:18:11 PM
The cabasa's used on pretty much every song. :metalol:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 05, 2011, 11:11:24 PM
The cabasa's used on pretty much every song. :metalol:

Yeah!!  Totally ruined it for me once i noticed it!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Birch Boy on March 05, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
The cabasa's used on pretty much every song. :metalol:

Yeah!!  Totally ruined it for me once i noticed it!
I play percussion in school, so I always fool around with it. I noticed it immediately and laughed, because it was awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 05, 2011, 11:15:26 PM
The cabasa's used on pretty much every song. :metalol:

Yeah!!  Totally ruined it for me once i noticed it!
I play percussion in school, so I always fool around with it. I noticed it immediately and laughed, because it was awesome.

:lol Well, I would've been about 8 when i first heard it and I didnt know what it was called; I just knew how annoying it was :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 05, 2011, 11:40:57 PM
*Youtubes Cabasa*

Huh, wow.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on March 06, 2011, 12:53:45 AM
Is the cabasa being played at the same time as the hi-hat? ...... Or is it the hi-hat? DUN DUN DUN
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 06, 2011, 12:58:19 PM
From memory, its just on every beat, like a metronome.  Don't quote me on that.  On some of the faster ones I think its on the 2 and the 4 of every bar.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 17, 2011, 08:48:46 PM
Former MEGADETH guitarist Marty Friedman, who moved to Japan in 2003, has released the following statement:

"Thank you all for your support and prayers. I am 100% fine, 100% healthy and in better shape than ever. However, there are many, many people here in Japan that are facing an unbelievable tragedy.

"It's time to go to the next step. I will be auctioning ALL of my guitars from the MEGADETH era and will donate 100% of the proceeds to the earthquake relief.

"I am going to L.A. right NOW to the climate controlled lockup where all the guitars have been in their cases since January 2000. All guitars I used on all the MEGADETH recordings, tours, videos, everything WILL be auctioned off.

"When I get to the lockup, I will do my best to sort out which was used for what (I suck at that...I'm sure many of you guys know better than I do) and notate as many details as possible. Pictures, descriptions and how to bid will all be up on my U.S. website as well as my Japanese website within 2-3 days.

"I have NEVER sold ANY of my guitars before; this is the only way these guitars will leave my possession. I urge you to please spread the word and most of all BID HIGH. You will be putting a huge deposit in the 'karma bank' and have some pretty cool guitars to show for it. DO IT!"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 17, 2011, 11:40:06 PM
Wow, that's crazy! What an awesome guy!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ravenheart on March 18, 2011, 01:14:37 AM
I opened this thread to say that I listened to Youthanasia last night, and that I should listen to it more often, but that ^ is pretty honorable. Marty is a good guy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cerebral_Eulogy on March 18, 2011, 10:29:03 PM
I guess Dave Mustaine had a kidney stone during their show in St. Petersburg, Russia the other night. 

He still got up in excruciating pain and performed six songs for the crowd, and then Slayer played an extended set. 

For anyone who's ever had a kidney stone, they know that this must have been absolute hell for him to do this.  Kudos Dave!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on March 19, 2011, 01:08:25 AM
I like Marty Friedman Megadeth solos a lot, he always matched the song vibe and was always refreshingly creative.
I have two of his solo post-Megadeth albums though and they are awful, the more recent one has a really bad rendition of Tornado of Souls.
He had one song collaboration with Petrucci on one of these albums, wasn't anything special.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 19, 2011, 11:10:12 PM
I guess Dave Mustaine had a kidney stone during their show in St. Petersburg, Russia the other night. 

He still got up in excruciating pain and performed six songs for the crowd, and then Slayer played an extended set. 

For anyone who's ever had a kidney stone, they know that this must have been absolute hell for him to do this.  Kudos Dave!
Fuck.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 21, 2011, 11:47:06 AM
Making of Youthanasia, for anyone who hasn't seen it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEx5hQ9XQgg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEx5hQ9XQgg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0X4n2E7hgo&feature=autoplay&list=ULPc1ISMBZE88&index=8&playnext=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0X4n2E7hgo&feature=autoplay&list=ULPc1ISMBZE88&index=8&playnext=1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRPDib3EeSo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRPDib3EeSo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onyjai5GOFM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onyjai5GOFM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edHHG4hvChQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edHHG4hvChQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6mRdnNqVZ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6mRdnNqVZ8)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 21, 2011, 06:47:56 PM
Marty's auction:
https://shop.ebay.com/dvamp2u/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25 (https://shop.ebay.com/dvamp2u/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 21, 2011, 07:02:20 PM
^Fuck. I remember years ago I really wanted my own Kelly. Much prefer his RIP/CTE/Youth/touring guitar now. That's weird to us but it's probably no problem for him to get rid of his old stuff he'll never use again. It's maybe like seeing your old toys in the basement then having to get rid of them for any reason.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 21, 2011, 07:19:07 PM
^Fuck. I remember years ago I really wanted my own Kelly. Much prefer his RIP/CTE/Youth/touring guitar now. That's weird to us but it's probably no problem for him to get rid of his old stuff he'll never use again. It's maybe like seeing your old toys in the basement then having to get rid of them for any reason.

If not for the earthquakes, he wouldn't be getting rid of them. He said this is the only way they're leaving his possession.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on March 22, 2011, 08:06:18 PM
FORGIVE ME FATHER
FOR I HAVE SINNED
I'M A CHILD OF THE AIR
I'M A WITCH OF THE WIND...



AND I'M STILL WIDE AWAKE






















































































































































MAAAAAAAARY JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE
:2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 22, 2011, 09:52:04 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 22, 2011, 10:34:44 PM
3:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXsPD_X8MNs&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXsPD_X8MNs&feature=related)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2011, 07:22:56 AM
FORGIVE ME FATHER
FOR I HAVE SINNED
I'M A CHILD OF THE AIR
I'M A WITCH OF THE WIND...



AND I'M STILL WIDE AWAKE[/b


It's about time Mary Jane gets some damn love. That song is GREAT. Top 5 Megadeth song for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 23, 2011, 02:10:18 PM
Mary Jane is indeed a great song. The bridge riff where the song kicks into high gear is one of the best I've ever heard.

IF I KNOW I'M GOING CRAZY
I MUST NOT BE INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE

:umh:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2011, 03:32:40 PM
How does everyone feel about So Far So Good So What? It doesn't seem to get much love. It's my personal favorite. I really got into Megadeth when it came out. The only throwaway track is Anarchy, and 502 is OK, but evertything else is gold.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 23, 2011, 03:54:35 PM
I like it. I'd rank it roughly in the middle of Megadeth's albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 23, 2011, 03:56:51 PM
SFSGSW is definitely in the top half of my favorite Megadeth albums. I like it a hair more than Peace Sells but a hair less than Rust in Peace.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ZKX-2099 on March 23, 2011, 08:26:55 PM
I guess Dave Mustaine had a kidney stone during their show in St. Petersburg, Russia the other night. 

He still got up in excruciating pain and performed six songs for the crowd, and then Slayer played an extended set. 

For anyone who's ever had a kidney stone, they know that this must have been absolute hell for him to do this.  Kudos Dave!

Rock... and roll.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 23, 2011, 08:44:32 PM
Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 23, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire

Gross.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 23, 2011, 11:04:27 PM
Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire

Gross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 23, 2011, 11:07:51 PM
Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire

Gross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw)
Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 23, 2011, 11:13:00 PM
Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire

Gross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw)
Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related

I bet Metallica saw that and thus record their rendition.

Anyway, nothing will top this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU)

One of the comments makes me lol..."HE IS NOT DROVER NOOB, HE IS DEGRASSO"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 23, 2011, 11:28:02 PM
Best songs on SFSGSW are Darkest Hour, Hook In Mouth, and Set The World Afire

Gross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9-7FSAczw)


That's not a bad version, but I've never really been a fan of the song overall. The solos are sick, but the drumming is only so-so, the lyrics seem uninspired, and the vocals are so whiny. I usually really dig Mustaine's vocals, but his delivery in Hook in Mouth really bothers me.

Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related

That's awesome!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 23, 2011, 11:46:58 PM
Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related

I bet Metallica saw that and thus record their rendition.

Anyway, nothing will top this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU)

One of the comments makes me lol..."HE IS NOT DROVER NOOB, HE IS DEGRASSO"
:lol
And that's a pretty cool performance too.

Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related

That's awesome!
Yeah man, I never saw this until now!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on March 24, 2011, 08:06:00 AM
How does everyone feel about So Far So Good So What? It doesn't seem to get much love. It's my personal favorite. I really got into Megadeth when it came out. The only throwaway track is Anarchy, and 502 is OK, but evertything else is gold.

Contains my favorite Megadeth song of all time 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 24, 2011, 09:41:57 AM
How does everyone feel about So Far So Good So What? It doesn't seem to get much love. It's my personal favorite. I really got into Megadeth when it came out. The only throwaway track is Anarchy, and 502 is OK, but evertything else is gold.

Contains my favorite Megadeth song of all time 

In My Darkest Hour?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2011, 09:51:39 AM
Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related

I bet Metallica saw that and thus record their rendition.

Anyway, nothing will top this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU)

One of the comments makes me lol..."HE IS NOT DROVER NOOB, HE IS DEGRASSO"
:lol
And that's a pretty cool performance too.

To me, that was the ultimate Megadeth lineup.  Yeah, Nick was a great drummer and was perfectly suited to Megadeth.  But if his drumming in Megadeth would be considered a 9.9/10, I would consider Jimmy's to be 10.5/10.  AND they still had Marty on guitar.  Man, I wish I had seen them during that period.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on March 24, 2011, 10:49:47 AM
How does everyone feel about So Far So Good So What? It doesn't seem to get much love. It's my personal favorite. I really got into Megadeth when it came out. The only throwaway track is Anarchy, and 502 is OK, but evertything else is gold.

Contains my favorite Megadeth song of all time 

In My Darkest Hour?


We have a winner
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2011, 11:03:28 AM
 That's mine as well!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 24, 2011, 11:20:19 AM
That's mine as well!

Definitely top 5 for me, maybe even top 3.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 24, 2011, 04:39:06 PM
Video battle, sir? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBPOAhtljQ&feature=related

I bet Metallica saw that and thus record their rendition.

Anyway, nothing will top this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIu6h-I4tmU)

One of the comments makes me lol..."HE IS NOT DROVER NOOB, HE IS DEGRASSO"
:lol
And that's a pretty cool performance too.

To me, that was the ultimate Megadeth lineup.  Yeah, Nick was a great drummer and was perfectly suited to Megadeth.  But if his drumming in Megadeth would be considered a 9.9/10, I would consider Jimmy's to be 10.5/10.  AND they still had Marty on guitar.  Man, I wish I had seen them during that period.

I've always thought Degrasso was Megadeth's best drummer too. Nick being close second.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2011, 05:31:18 PM
Degrasso over Menza?? Bosk, you're blinded by some man love I think!

The thing is, I already know your response! :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2011, 05:38:51 PM
Nothing against Menza at all.  But have you ever seen Degrasso live? 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2011, 05:42:36 PM
Nothing against Menza at all.  But have you ever seen Degrasso live? 

With Y&T.  And I've got a couple DVD's of him with Alice and Megadeth.  Have you seen Menza live? I'll take Menza's performance from RIP over Degrasso's TWNAH.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 24, 2011, 05:48:57 PM
Nothing against Menza at all.  But have you ever seen Degrasso live? 

With Y&T.  And I've got a couple DVD's of him with Alice and Megadeth.  Have you seen Menza live? I'll take Menza's performance from RIP over Degrasso's TWNAH.

Jimmy's drumming on TWNAH is nothing close to what he's capable of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knURb5U5Rmk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knURb5U5Rmk)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 24, 2011, 05:58:35 PM
Two more videos of Jimmy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stG_9PvMTAA&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stG_9PvMTAA&feature=related)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgt3PanAXAw&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgt3PanAXAw&feature=related)

When Dave reformed Megadeth, he really should have asked Jimmy back.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2011, 06:37:49 PM
Have you seen Menza live?

Yup.  Phenominal.  I always thought he was the perfect drummer for Megadeth.  Until I heard them with Jimmy...  :)

I'll take Menza's performance from RIP over Degrasso's TWNAH.

Hey, if that's your preference, that's your preference.  It's not like there's anything wrong with either one of them.  Personal preferences aside, I still think Jimmy is the better of the two in terms of both skil land creativity.  But, again, when you are comparing two guys with such talent, who cares?


EDIT:  BTW, when did you see him with Y&T?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 24, 2011, 09:04:50 PM
Degrasso over Menza??

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 24, 2011, 09:27:57 PM
Long, "lost interview":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZiCIrrX9X8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZiCIrrX9X8)


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 24, 2011, 09:40:15 PM
Megadeth is playing at the inaugural Heavy T.O. festival in July and I will definitely be attending. Check out this lineup over two days:

Megadeth
Rob Zombie
Billy Talent
Slayer
Anthrax
Opeth
Motörhead
Mastodon
Children of Bodom
Testament
As I Lay Dying
Baptized in Blood
Anvil
The Sword
Times of Grace
Melissa Auf der Maur
DevilDriver
Diamond Head

https://www.heavyto.com/ (https://www.heavyto.com/)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on March 24, 2011, 10:30:21 PM
Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Opeth, Mastodon, Testament, and DIAMOND HEAD?! HOLY N***ER SHIT
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 24, 2011, 10:53:45 PM
God damn you Toronto...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on March 24, 2011, 10:57:55 PM
99% sure I'll be there!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 24, 2011, 11:49:21 PM
99% sure I'll be there!

Sweet! We should meet up!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 25, 2011, 12:27:57 AM
Marty makes it look so easy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0GzHt3yScM&playnext=1&list=PL6D4446CC3FB72447 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0GzHt3yScM&playnext=1&list=PL6D4446CC3FB72447)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZDNzomHg0&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZDNzomHg0&feature=related)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on March 25, 2011, 12:42:26 AM
99% sure I'll be there!

Sweet! We should meet up!

I'll let you know!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 25, 2011, 04:55:30 AM


EDIT:  BTW, when did you see him with Y&T?
Contageous tour.

I'll have to study up on Degrasso. He's just never really struck me as this immense talent. I mean, he's come a long way from his Y&T days, he's never jumped out at me as anything special.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 25, 2011, 08:49:20 AM


EDIT:  BTW, when did you see him with Y&T?
Contageous tour.

I'll have to study up on Degrasso. He's just never really struck me as this immense talent. I mean, he's come a long way from his Y&T days, he's never jumped out at me as anything special.

Ah, okay.  Well, given how straightforward the drum tracks on most standard '80s metal songs, what he did on Contagious was extremely creative and experimental for that genre.  And if you have Ten, keep in mind that it's not Jimmy on that album (even though he is credited and his picture is in the booklet).  It's actually Steve Smith.  Where you really start to see his creativity is on the two "reunion" albums in the late '90s.  But even then, it sounds like whoever was recording him really didn't know how to record drums that well.  I love his contributions in Megadeth.  Even though the albums he played on are near the bottom of most fans' lists and you may not like the albums or the individual songs that much, try listening again and just focusing on the drum tracks and what he is doing. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on March 29, 2011, 06:51:09 PM
How dare this thread leave the first page.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 30, 2011, 06:47:25 AM


EDIT:  BTW, when did you see him with Y&T?
Contageous tour.

I'll have to study up on Degrasso. He's just never really struck me as this immense talent. I mean, he's come a long way from his Y&T days, he's never jumped out at me as anything special.

Ah, okay.  Well, given how straightforward the drum tracks on most standard '80s metal songs, what he did on Contagious was extremely creative and experimental for that genre.  And if you have Ten, keep in mind that it's not Jimmy on that album (even though he is credited and his picture is in the booklet).  It's actually Steve Smith.  Where you really start to see his creativity is on the two "reunion" albums in the late '90s.  But even then, it sounds like whoever was recording him really didn't know how to record drums that well.  I love his contributions in Megadeth.  Even though the albums he played on are near the bottom of most fans' lists and you may not like the albums or the individual songs that much, try listening again and just focusing on the drum tracks and what he is doing. 

I didn't know that about Ten! Is that Steve Smith from Journey? Interesting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 30, 2011, 07:38:47 AM
Hey Megadeth fans, come vote in the Survivor! The numbers are dwindling!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 30, 2011, 08:41:55 AM
I didn't know that about Ten! Is that Steve Smith from Journey? Interesting.

Yes.  Not sure what the issue was specifically because Dave has intentionally been very cryptic about it whenever it has come up.  But from what he has said, apparently, Jimmy and the producer they were working with had a huge blowup, and then for whatever reason, Jimmy just could not get his head in the game and sit down and drum.  He bowed out.  They called Smith as a session drummer.  Smith liked Jimmy's drum parts and kept most of them intact, but it's still a drummer with a different style playing them.  Not to mention the fact that they just aren't recorded well and lack punch.


Hey Megadeth fans, come vote in the Survivor! The numbers are dwindling!

That's because the poll results are sucking really hard.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on March 30, 2011, 08:54:04 AM
Hey Megadeth fans, come vote in the Survivor! The numbers are dwindling!

That's because the poll results are sucking really hard.

Um...well if more people come out and voice their opinions, the results could improve.

And while I have your attention, please check your PMs, I sent you a message.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on March 30, 2011, 10:06:14 AM
Hey Megadeth fans, come vote in the Survivor! The numbers are dwindling!

That's because the poll results are sucking really hard.

Well thanks for the support. I was considering quitting the job a while ago, now I'm considering it again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 30, 2011, 10:27:49 AM
It's not your fault people have bad taste.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on March 30, 2011, 10:37:52 AM
Well why would you stop voting in it just because you don't like the results? It doesn't give me a lot of reason to continue.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 30, 2011, 04:21:17 PM
Keep it going mang.

Degrasso doesn't have any stage presence, IMO.  He's probably the better drummer though, I love his playing on Rude Awakening.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 30, 2011, 06:38:38 PM
What's Menza done since leaving Megadeth, anyway?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 30, 2011, 08:28:16 PM
He rejoined and got fired again.  He was in another metal band for a while though, I think.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on March 31, 2011, 07:46:42 AM
What's Menza done since leaving Megadeth, anyway?

Rehab a couple of times  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on April 11, 2011, 05:33:51 AM
Who knows the history of Crown Of Worms? Was it ever actually recorded? How old is the song?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on April 11, 2011, 06:58:05 AM
Wasn't it a bonus track on the re-release of 'Countdown To Extinction'?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on April 11, 2011, 02:40:47 PM
Who knows the history of Crown Of Worms? Was it ever actually recorded? How old is the song?

Here's what I know about Crown of Worms from the remastered CtE booklet:

"As a huge Diamond Head fan, I jumped at the chance to work with a band that influenced me and my old bandmates as much as they did. I met with Sean Harris (vocals) and Brian Tatler (guitar) overseas and talked to them about producing a song and maybe co-writing something. Sean gave me this lyric folded up on a piece of paper, as if it was merely notes or homework or something. I knew, however, that it was something special.

I opened the page and tried to make sense out of the lyric, but on the first reading, it was not flowing too well. So I very respectfully took the lyric apart and rearranged it into what I now feel is a great lyric. I also love the energy that the music has. It reminds me of classic Motörhead at its best!"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on April 27, 2011, 11:35:08 PM
Holy Wars @ Indio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-xhfuJp-M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-xhfuJp-M)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on April 28, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Wasn't it a bonus track on the re-release of 'Countdown To Extinction'?

Yes, it was, indeed.  It was recorded, but wasn't properly mixed or put onto CD for Countdown.  Then, when Youthanasia was put out, it was properly mixed (I think), and put onto the Train of Consequences single.  And then, put on the CtE reissue, as it did originate from that album's sessions. 

Great song, as well; it's right up there with Victory and Ashes In Your Mouth, is one of their best songs from the 90s.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jamhet on May 01, 2011, 12:01:28 PM
I've always thought Degrasso was Megadeth's best drummer too. Nick being close second.
I totally agree!

I love the double bass intensity on this and the fills are so powerfull:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNRGw_EYlGk

Man, "A Secret Place" is on of Megadeth's best songs and it seems they don't perform it live anymore. What a shame...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 04, 2011, 10:17:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBG3fE25FeI
Very interesting interview.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 04, 2011, 02:35:20 PM
really loving Peace Sells and Rust in Peace lately... kinda going through a Megadeth discovery phase. woo!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TL on May 04, 2011, 02:58:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7QaKxfa2kI&feature=feedu
Reggae version of Symphony of Destruction (with album vocals), from the guy who brought us the smooth jazz version of Enter Sandman.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 04, 2011, 03:25:06 PM
Been listening to Endgame lately.  Aside from the tendency to say "this is the best album since [one of band's undisputed best albums of all time]" whenever an artist releases a new album, I am reminded that this is probably their best album since the golden age of RIP-CTE-Youthanasia (other than, perhaps, Risk).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on May 04, 2011, 06:15:02 PM
Been listening to Endgame lately.  Aside from the tendency to say "this is the best album since [one of band's undisputed best albums of all time]" whenever an artist releases a new album, I am reminded that this is probably their best album since the golden age of RIP-CTE-Youthanasia (other than, perhaps, Risk).

You prefer Endgame to United Abominations? Interesting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on May 04, 2011, 06:18:22 PM
I prefer United Abominations, personally.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 04, 2011, 06:59:21 PM
Maybe I need to give UA another listen.  It didn't click with me when I first got it, so I didn't listen much.  I can't even really remember any of the songs other than Amerikastan.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 04, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Endgame totally dominates UA in every aspect.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on May 04, 2011, 08:37:48 PM
Never heard UA tbh, but I think Endgame is pretty good. In fact, I'm wearing my Endgame shirt atm :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on May 05, 2011, 08:27:36 AM
UA > Endgame
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 05, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
Been listening to Endgame lately.  Aside from the tendency to say "this is the best album since [one of band's undisputed best albums of all time]" whenever an artist releases a new album, I am reminded that this is probably their best album since the golden age of RIP-CTE-Youthanasia (other than, perhaps, Risk).

You prefer Endgame to United Abominations? Interesting.

I thought everybody did! I definitely do!
And bosk didn't you once refer me to a jazz message board for not liking UA? what happened since then? :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 05, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
:lol  Did I?  I don't remember that.  Maybe it was just because I thought you didn't like Megadeth at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2011, 07:10:27 PM
Been listening to Endgame lately.  Aside from the tendency to say "this is the best album since [one of band's undisputed best albums of all time]" whenever an artist releases a new album, I am reminded that this is probably their best album since the golden age of RIP

Yes

UA > Endgame

It's damn close. I think UA is damn good, but I'm taking Endgame.



Oh..and Bosk, not only am I taking Nick Menza over Jimmy Degrasso, but I'm also taking Chuck Beehler over him as well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 05, 2011, 07:19:30 PM
I was way off, I dug up that post (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=5883.msg187106#msg187106") and it turned out the discussion was about me liking Death Magnetic more than Endgame :lol, which I still do.
But yeah I think Endgame is a much better album than UA and Endgame has actually grown of me a lot since then.

Oh..and Bosk, not only am I taking Nick Menza over Jimmy Degrasso, but I'm also taking Chuck Beehler over him as well.

Nick Menza is my favorite Megadeth drummer ever, I know Degrasso is a better technical drummer than him but it's about the vibe and how he fits in the band.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on May 06, 2011, 06:50:24 AM

Oh..and Bosk, not only am I taking Nick Menza over Jimmy Degrasso, but I'm also taking Chuck Beehler over him as well.

Nick Menza is my favorite Megadeth drummer ever, I know Degrasso is a better technical drummer than him but it's about the vibe and how he fits in the band.
[/quote]

Agreed on both counts...I loved Gar as well...both Nick and Gar came from a jazz background/training

Jimmy is a great technical drummer but his playing just doesn't grab me in Megadeth like his predecessors did
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on May 07, 2011, 01:01:20 PM
I think DeGrasso's lack of appreciation comes mostly because the albums that featured him are the two least popular 'Deth albums to date, not because he's a bad drummer.


Also I came here to say The System Has Failed is IMO the best album they've released since 1997. Awesome songs right there. The only part that annoys me of the whole album is in Die Dead Enough: "My heart is beating like a drum-BOOM!". That line makes me cringe.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 07, 2011, 02:05:28 PM
I agree with TSHF being their best.  The new 3 haven't done much for me at all. 

I got the feeling DeGrasso never really liked being in Megadeth anyways.  Some of the interviews I've read of him while he was in the band would suggest that. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on May 07, 2011, 04:07:34 PM
I agree with TSHF being their best.  The new 3 haven't done much for me at all.

UA, Endgame, and...? :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 07, 2011, 11:09:22 PM
:lol fat fingers
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2011, 05:36:01 AM
I think DeGrasso's lack of appreciation comes mostly because the albums that featured him are the two least popular 'Deth albums to date, not because he's a bad drummer.
Well it's hard to know exactly how good he is. Sure he can play Menza's parts live, but Menza had a great style all to himself.

It's not that Degrasso's 2 albums are the 2 worst, but it's also that the drum parts are the least interesting out of all of their albums. If there's a youtube that really showcases Degrasso's talent, I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 19, 2011, 04:26:49 PM
Live in 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdrexdr3VC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdrexdr3VC4)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2011, 12:03:55 AM
1. The System Has Failed
2. United Abominations (close 2nd)







3. Endgame
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mr. Beale on May 20, 2011, 12:24:22 PM
1. The System Has Failed
2. United Abominations (close 2nd)







3. Endgame

I wouldn't peg the gaps as that big, but Endgame didn't hold my interest that long. TSHF is a great album, probably my favorite since the early 90s.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2011, 06:15:32 PM
Endgame was just so disappointing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2011, 07:01:55 PM
Endgame was just so disappointing.
It was? Wow, we are on different wavelengths lately! :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2011, 08:21:45 PM
Endgame was just so disappointing.
It was? Wow, we are on different wavelengths lately! :D

Yeah, it just didn't click with me at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 21, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
1. The System Has Failed
2. United Abominations (close 2nd)







3. Endgame

The System Has Failed is your number one?  :omg:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2011, 01:10:55 AM
I was only ranking those three.  I didn't take the other albums into consideration.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 21, 2011, 01:12:24 AM
I was only ranking those three.  I didn't take the other albums into consideration.

(https://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae52/rickan01/GIFs/forever_alone_face.png)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 21, 2011, 01:15:27 AM
I just felt like posting that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2011, 01:17:34 AM
Dude, WTF??
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 21, 2011, 01:18:13 AM
Dude, WTF??
What...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on May 21, 2011, 08:29:24 AM
Wait a minute, some people don't think The System has failed is a great album?  :eek
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on May 21, 2011, 11:15:15 AM
but it's got chris poland. and we all know, CP = gold.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 21, 2011, 11:27:05 AM
I was trying to listen to The System Has Failed today and I must say that as always I have problems with this one...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2011, 05:56:08 PM
I was trying to listen to The System Has Failed today and I must say that as always I have problems with this one...

Why, it's such an amazing cd?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: PixelDream on May 21, 2011, 06:30:43 PM
Blasting 'Rust in Peace' to close off this incredibly sunny day. NICE.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 21, 2011, 09:21:17 PM
Countdown to Extinction never happened. Pun intended.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on May 21, 2011, 09:23:03 PM
Well the countdown happened, but the extinction didn't.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 21, 2011, 09:23:25 PM
Well the countdown happened, but the extinction didn't.
Touche
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 21, 2011, 09:24:34 PM
 :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8g-lugXGBQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8g-lugXGBQ)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 22, 2011, 11:06:33 AM
The System Has Failed never did much for me. The first three tracks are awesome, but the drop-off in quality is staggering.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 22, 2011, 12:33:14 PM
I was trying to listen to The System Has Failed today and I must say that as always I have problems with this one...

Why, it's such an amazing cd?
Well maybe it is, but you know I never get into albums after The World Needs A Hero, and it's just because lack of time. From The System Has Failed to Endgame I know Endgame the best and I like it very much. I have to prepare for next Megadeth Survivor part ;) But Scar Symmetry doesn't let me do it ;)...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 30, 2011, 11:00:35 PM
Gonna be the proud owner of a Y2KV; a guitar I've lusted for for many years.

(https://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2302/img1768rh.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on May 30, 2011, 11:51:05 PM
Lucky you, but personally I'd go for the first custom King V made for Mustaine in '86. :yarr
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 31, 2011, 11:15:46 AM
Lucky you, but personally I'd go for the first custom King V made for Mustaine in '86. :yarr

Well, I already have a KV2, which is more or less Dave's guitar without his name on it.

Finding Dave's first custom ordered Jackson would be a difficult task, no doubt.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 31, 2011, 11:39:47 AM
(https://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8181/p2270018.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on May 31, 2011, 12:02:41 PM
What's the artwork of?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 31, 2011, 12:04:16 PM
What's the artwork of?

Eh, a graveyard. Airbrushed by Dan Lawrence, whoever he is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on May 31, 2011, 12:04:42 PM
*shrugs* Cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 31, 2011, 12:09:50 PM
*shrugs* Cool.

Apparently it was a limited run for Musician's Friend in 2005.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 31, 2011, 02:08:01 PM
yeah, but can you play Stairway on it?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 31, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
yeah, but can you play Stairway on it?

Ya
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 31, 2011, 02:29:38 PM
 :omg:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on May 31, 2011, 02:30:35 PM
 :omg:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 03, 2011, 12:46:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on June 03, 2011, 12:52:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc)
I like it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 03, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc)
I like it.

I'm pretty sure it's just for the game, but we'll find out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on June 03, 2011, 12:55:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwn5lbKaIc)
I like it.
I'm pretty sure it's just for the game, but we'll find out.
Sounded like a pretty wicked song to only be featured in the game.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 03, 2011, 01:25:25 PM
Gears of War was eventually released too. I'm sure it'll be featured on the next album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 04, 2011, 12:14:52 PM
Y2KV's a no go; told him I was more interested in his SLATQ MAH Soloist.
(https://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/CorpseGrinder88/IMG_2894.jpg)
(https://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/CorpseGrinder88/IMG_3307.jpg)
(https://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/CorpseGrinder88/IMG_2895.jpg)
What does this have to do with Megadeth? It's Jackson. : o
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on June 05, 2011, 05:16:59 AM
:O Nice bro!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 05, 2011, 06:02:01 AM
Yeah, that's a really nice axe!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 06, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 06, 2011, 08:44:19 PM
(https://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/CorpseGrinder88/IMG_3306.jpg)
(https://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/CorpseGrinder88/IMG_3305.jpg)
(https://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/CorpseGrinder88/IMG_3304-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on June 06, 2011, 09:12:28 PM
If you are a giraffe, the guitar will be perfectly camoflaged when you play it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 06, 2011, 11:19:35 PM
If you are a giraffe, the guitar will be perfectly camoflaged when you play it.
:lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 06, 2011, 11:39:10 PM
Perfect
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 10, 2011, 09:54:05 PM
Should have her in about 10 days.
Title: Re: The Talk About Your New Guitar Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Mave on June 12, 2011, 09:06:34 PM
Lol @ new thread title
Title: Re: The Talk About Your New Guitar Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Global Laziness on June 12, 2011, 09:16:57 PM
:lolpalm:

I'm actually considering getting a new guitar this month. I had to sell both of my electrics to help finance the move back to Ottawa from Halifax.
Title: Re: The Talk About Your New Guitar Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: zxlkho on June 12, 2011, 09:22:21 PM
OH HEY GUYS THAT MEGADETH BAND IS PRETTY COOL HUH
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 12, 2011, 09:45:13 PM
Good to see this is finally a Backstreet Boyz thread

got rid of that shitty Megadeth band now we can talk real music   :metal
Title: Re: The Talk About Your New Guitar Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Gadough on June 12, 2011, 09:45:38 PM
OH HEY GUYS THAT MEGADETH BAND IS PRETTY COOL HUH

They'd be alot better if they got Nick Carter back in the band.
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Dimitrius on June 12, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
I remember Millenium, it had pretty cool videos!
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 12, 2011, 10:08:34 PM
Millennium has some decent songs...just sayin'.
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Zook on June 12, 2011, 10:12:41 PM
I actually did like Everybody (Backstreet's Back) when it came out. I even liked the video.... Many moons ago...
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 12, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
That song was infectious
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Dimitrius on June 12, 2011, 10:14:17 PM
Millennium has some decent songs...just sayin'.
It had, I remember my sister had that cassette (yes, a cassette) and used to played it all the time.
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Super Dude on June 12, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
When I was younger, I always said they should've used I Want It That Way in a Burger King commercial.  THEY SHOULD HAVE LISTENED DAMN THEM!
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Scard on June 13, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
My friend is in the band Neverest that is currently opening for New Kids on the Block and BSB. Pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Gadough on June 13, 2011, 12:40:09 AM
I love how people are taking this thread's title change seriously. :lol
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Scard on June 13, 2011, 12:44:32 AM
I love how people are taking this thread's title change seriously. :lol

Well I had something related!
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 13, 2011, 08:53:26 AM
I love how people are taking this thread's title change seriously. :lol

:|

NICK IS A SAINT AND HOWIE IS SO DREAMY K??!!?!
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Zook on June 13, 2011, 09:41:25 AM
Guys











Guys











Guys




















98 Degrees is where it's at.
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: Zydar on June 13, 2011, 09:44:13 AM
Hey guys,











Quit playing games with my heart.
Title: Re: Backstreet Boys Thread (Formerly the Megadeth thread)
Post by: tjanuranus on June 13, 2011, 09:44:31 AM
https://youtu.be/0Gl2QnHNpkA
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 13, 2011, 10:57:25 AM
Okay, so...Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on June 13, 2011, 10:59:51 AM
FUCK YEAH DAVE & THE MUSTAINES!!!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on June 13, 2011, 11:00:52 AM
Okay, so...Megadeth.

This.  Do we really need to start warning and banning people for taking threads off topic?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on June 13, 2011, 11:02:28 AM
Kinda looking forward to The Big 4. Lars said he didn't think they were going to do Am I Evil the next time around. Any guesses?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on June 13, 2011, 11:20:15 AM
Kinda looking forward to The Big 4. Lars said he didn't think they were going to do Am I Evil the next time around. Any guesses?

Possibly the Mechanix/Four Horseman instead?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 13, 2011, 11:24:29 AM
Am I Evil? really is the perfect song for them to all cover together. That song influenced all of them in a huge way.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on June 13, 2011, 02:09:34 PM
Kinda looking forward to The Big 4. Lars said he didn't think they were going to do Am I Evil the next time around. Any guesses?

Possibly the Mechanix/Four Horseman instead?

Haha I doubt out. Not only would that be ridiculous, it sort of excludes the Slayer and Anthrax members.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on June 13, 2011, 05:46:49 PM
I love The Dave Mustaine Quartet/The Dave Mustaine Band and I'm really looking forward to their new album.


Sort of.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 13, 2011, 07:21:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yKFx7q0Zfc&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yKFx7q0Zfc&feature=related)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on June 13, 2011, 08:59:49 PM
its not dave and the mustaines, nor the dave mustaine quartet...

we all know it's megadave & the deth boys.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on June 13, 2011, 09:02:05 PM
Megadave & The Deth Boys, huh I like this one :lol.

Or you can call his band "Dave Mustaine" and considering Junior is back, "Dave & Junior".
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on June 13, 2011, 09:35:24 PM
i dont have any megadeth in my digital library...it's all been renamed MD&TDB.

...includes my copy of MD.45 with dave on vox.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on June 13, 2011, 09:54:38 PM
...includes my copy of MD.45 with dave on vox.

As I recall, that was a strange album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on June 13, 2011, 10:27:39 PM
all my friends seem to laugh at it, but i actually like a bunch of those songs...and many fit well into a party/social gathering type playlist (even if the gathering includes said friends that laugh it off...they'll laugh as soon as one of them songs kicks in, but before the end of the song, they [consciously or subconsciously] are totally grooving away).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on June 14, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
The "Big 4" are planning on doing something different.

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159421
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 14, 2011, 09:59:18 PM
They all should learn one song from each of the other band's repertoire, and jam a little bit of each song. Problem is, with Lars on drums, that might prove difficult
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on June 15, 2011, 08:44:09 AM
I could die and go to metal heaven if they did a metal classic. Watching all four of them go up there and do Iron Man or Living After Midnight would be the coolest thing ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on June 15, 2011, 09:41:50 AM
I can't see them doing a Priest song, but a Sabbath track would be awesome. War Pigs!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on June 15, 2011, 09:42:54 AM
I'd wet myself.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 15, 2011, 09:47:32 AM
I'd love to see them do something like Iron Man, but I have a feeling Lars would fuck up the drum intro.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MetalManiac666 on June 15, 2011, 10:49:07 AM
I'd love to see them do something like Iron Man, but I have a feeling Lars would fuck up the drum intro.

:lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 15, 2011, 11:55:44 PM
Listened to the live disc from Warchest twice today on the drive to work, facking awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 23, 2011, 10:20:02 AM
Had a Gibson box waiting for me when I got home from work. Wasn't a Gibson though...

2005 USA SLATQ MAH Soloist w/ mahogany neck/body & crazy quilted maple top. It's really hard to capture the top accurately.
(https://img802.imageshack.us/img802/1191/p5250007.jpg)
(https://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8527/p5250006.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on June 23, 2011, 10:28:27 AM
I'd love to see them do something like Iron Man, but I have a feeling Lars would fuck up the drum intro.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 23, 2011, 04:36:41 PM
Mave, I love your sheets.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: King Postwhore on June 23, 2011, 04:43:57 PM
Mave, I love your sheets.

I bet you say that to all the guys.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on June 27, 2011, 12:46:19 AM
Mave, I love your sheets.

Quality bed sheets right there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 05, 2011, 04:08:20 AM
New song played live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUUMC8y3Nlo&feature= (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUUMC8y3Nlo&feature=)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 07, 2011, 09:49:35 PM
Digging it, but I can never judge new music from a live performance.

When is this supposed to come out?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 07, 2011, 09:54:36 PM
Digging it, but I can never judge new music from a live performance.

When is this supposed to come out?

A good couple years before the next Metallica. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on July 07, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
Sounds pretty good!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 08, 2011, 06:39:42 PM
New album is called 13.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on July 08, 2011, 08:27:21 PM
Tentatively due November.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on July 08, 2011, 08:29:25 PM
What a creative, imaginative title. I mean it's not cliche at all!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 08, 2011, 08:33:56 PM
At least it isn't something terribly cheesy like Death Magnetic :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on July 09, 2011, 02:58:44 AM
Megadeth has set "TH1RT3EN" as the title of its new album, tentatively due this Fall. Dave Mustaine announced the title on stage earlier tonight (Friday, July 8) at the Sonisphere festival at Knebworth, UK.

From Facebook


I hope that isn't how it is spelt :(
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on July 09, 2011, 03:02:06 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, that's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2011, 03:09:18 AM
As long as the music is good, it could be called, "The 1ne after tw3lve" for all I care.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on July 09, 2011, 03:58:23 AM
As long as the music is good, it could be called, "The 1ne after tw3lve" for all I care.
Or inb414.

But hey -- at least there's not a clown on the cover.  That would be lame!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on July 09, 2011, 04:09:59 AM
:| Has Dave finally discovered l33t speak or something? This is absolutely terribly embarrassing, but FUNNY!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on July 09, 2011, 04:19:36 AM
As long as the music is good, it could be called, "The 1ne after tw3lve" for all I care.
Or inb414.

That would actually be hilarious. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on July 09, 2011, 04:31:17 AM
As long as the music is good, it could be called, "The 1ne after tw3lve" for all I care.
Pretty much this, although a cool name is always nice.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on July 09, 2011, 11:24:11 AM
What a shame...Megadeth's album names are usually pretty cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2011, 11:57:31 AM
Well, I guess Megadeth decided to take from Anvl's bag of naming albums. Anvil's thirteenth album was called "This Is Thirteen". Or maybe Dave is a fan of that show, Numb3rs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 10, 2011, 04:50:25 PM
There's always a method to Dave's madness, so to speak. So I'm thinking "TH1RT3EN" is much deeper than it appears on the surface.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on July 10, 2011, 04:58:54 PM
More interested in seeing the album artwork; they're always great.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ariich on July 11, 2011, 02:36:40 PM
Where was it announced with that spelling? He only said it out loud at Sonisphere.

Anyway, Megadeth put on a really good show at the festival! The new song I didn't find very exciting to be honest, but the set list was top-notch and they performed really well. But best of all was that they had the second highest amount of women exposing their boobs for the screens out of all bands at the festival, behind Limp Bizkit. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on July 11, 2011, 02:40:47 PM
LOL

sounds awesome
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 11, 2011, 03:03:57 PM
I'm not a fan of Megadeth, other than the fact that I own Countdown to Extinction (pretty good, IMO), and I haven't even read this thread before now, but I sensed boobs were being discussed and felt compelled to pop in and post. I :heart boobs
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ariich on July 11, 2011, 03:24:36 PM
:lol Awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on July 11, 2011, 08:52:26 PM
Where was it announced with that spelling? He only said it out loud at Sonisphere.

Anyway, Megadeth put on a really good show at the festival! The new song I didn't find very exciting to be honest, but the set list was top-notch and they performed really well. But best of all was that they had the second highest amount of women exposing their boobs for the screens out of all bands at the festival, behind Limp Bizkit. :biggrin:
Nice! :) They announced it on facebook, I posted the message on the previous page.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on July 11, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
Yep, it's entitled "TH1RT3EN".

(https://www.megadeth.com/images/Megadeth2011.jpg)

I like his t-shirt. It's very ... Generic.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 12, 2011, 12:38:49 AM
Thats an awesome shirt
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 12, 2011, 01:57:23 AM
Yeah. It's simple, and get's the message across.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 12, 2011, 02:24:12 AM
I want the damn shirt now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 12, 2011, 02:35:04 AM
I wonder what everyone's reaction would be if it turned out that Thir13en was actually to be titled Metal...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on July 12, 2011, 02:38:12 AM
I'd say it was a ripoff of this. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_%28Annihilator_album%29)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 12, 2011, 02:46:33 AM
Dave would then say Jeff Waters retroactively ripped him off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on July 12, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
Yeah, he would. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on July 12, 2011, 05:07:20 PM
Seriously I was hoping Dave would do something a tad different. Oh and I was being sarcastic up there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on July 12, 2011, 05:13:05 PM
Yep, it's entitled "TH1RT3EN".

(https://www.megadeth.com/images/Megadeth2011.jpg)

I like his t-shirt. It's very ... Generic.

Couldn't help but be reminded of this when seeing Dave:

(https://img830.imageshack.us/img830/1499/gargoyle.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 29, 2011, 09:28:16 PM
In case yer big enough fans, how bout ya try to name all of their songs, without cheating, with a time limit.  

https://www.sporcle.com/games/JasonTH/megadeth_songs (https://www.sporcle.com/games/JasonTH/megadeth_songs)

I did it, and succeded, albeit with only 43 seconds left. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 29, 2011, 09:37:22 PM
Got it with 5 minutes to spare. Yeehaw
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on August 09, 2011, 07:09:59 PM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Megadeth-Announce-Release-Date-For-TH1RT3EN-23232.aspx

Quote
Megadeth have made it official: Their 13th studio album, TH1RT3EN, will be released on November 1, 2011. Says singer and guitarist Dave Mustaine, "This record is the culmination of my work over the 13 records I recorded. There are moments on TH1RT3EN that capture my every emotion, and other moments where I am releasing feelings I never knew existed! My proudest moments of my musical career are captured on TH1RT3EN.”  
TH1RT3EN also marks the recorded return of bassist Dave Ellefson, who was part of the band's classic lineup from 1983 to 2002. In a move that delighted the band's legion of diehards, Ellefson returned to performing live with Megadeth in early 2010 and has remained a fixture on the stage ever since. This is the first time Ellefson has played on a Megadeth record since 2002's Rude Awakening.


The album's title has several layers of meaning, which leader and guitar deity Mustaine, who first picked up an axe at the age of 13, revealed in a recent chat with RollingStone.com, saying, "I was born on September 13th; this is my thirteenth record. It just seemed like it was the right thing to do to call it TH1RT3EN."


The band has spent the summer killing it on the main stage of the fourth annual Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival tour, and they'll cap that off by performing as part of "The Big 4" once again, this time in New York at Yankee Stadium alongside Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax. The only previous "Big 4" show in the U.S. took place in April in Southern California.


The band recorded an original track, "Never Dead," specifically for the NeverDead action-adventure video game franchise; that song will appear on TH1RT3EN, as will "Sudden Death," which the band recorded for Guitar Hero: Warriors Of Rock.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on August 09, 2011, 08:24:22 PM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Megadeth-Announce-Release-Date-For-TH1RT3EN-23232.aspx

Quote
Megadeth have made it official: Their 13th studio album, TH1RT3EN, will be released on November 1, 2011. Says singer and guitarist Dave Mustaine, "This record is the culmination of my work over the 13 records I recorded. There are moments on TH1RT3EN that capture my every emotion, and other moments where I am releasing feelings I never knew existed! My proudest moments of my musical career are captured on TH1RT3EN.”  
TH1RT3EN also marks the recorded return of bassist Dave Ellefson, who was part of the band's classic lineup from 1983 to 2002. In a move that delighted the band's legion of diehards, Ellefson returned to performing live with Megadeth in early 2010 and has remained a fixture on the stage ever since. This is the first time Ellefson has played on a Megadeth record since 2002's Rude Awakening.


The album's title has several layers of meaning, which leader and guitar deity Mustaine, who first picked up an axe at the age of 13, revealed in a recent chat with RollingStone.com, saying, "I was born on September 13th; this is my thirteenth record. It just seemed like it was the right thing to do to call it TH1RT3EN."


The band has spent the summer killing it on the main stage of the fourth annual Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival tour, and they'll cap that off by performing as part of "The Big 4" once again, this time in New York at Yankee Stadium alongside Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax. The only previous "Big 4" show in the U.S. took place in April in Southern California.


The band recorded an original track, "Never Dead," specifically for the NeverDead action-adventure video game franchise; that song will appear on TH1RT3EN, as will "Sudden Death," which the band recorded for Guitar Hero: Warriors Of Rock.

very good news.... thanks for that... first DT album in September, then Megadeth album in November... sounds like heaven....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 09, 2011, 08:26:09 PM
Definitely looking forward to this.  I doubt it'll be the next RIP, but I see no point in comparing it with their earlier stuff; if it's good, it'll be good, and that's the key.  If it's anything like UA and Endgame, I'll find it good. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on August 09, 2011, 08:27:22 PM
I didn't really like Endgame all that much, but UA was really awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 09, 2011, 08:28:56 PM
Endgame was fucking spectacular. I have high hopes for the new one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 09, 2011, 08:30:09 PM
UA and Endgame are easily my favorite Megadeth albums since RIP.  Though Countdown has its fair share of goodness.  (Ashes In Your Mouth, namely)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on August 09, 2011, 08:42:01 PM
Ashes is probably my favorite Megadeth song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 09, 2011, 08:43:51 PM
I'd agree with you if not for The Conjuring. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 09, 2011, 11:26:25 PM
I didn't really like Endgame all that much, but UA was really awesome.

This.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on August 10, 2011, 02:14:59 AM
My favourite albums:

Endgame
United Abominations
The System Has Failed
Cryptic Writings
Youthanasia
Countdown To Extinction
Rust In Peace
Peace Sells...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on August 10, 2011, 03:23:43 AM
I kinda thought it couldn't get cheesier than UA coverart but I was wrong heh
It's more mature than the UA cover art, I thought that UA looked like a power metal/prog. metal band's type of art that wrote about politics instead.

Dave better be right about this album being "the best thing they've made since Rust In Peace". I mean come, Countdown and CW were pretty good imo. I hope Endgame is as good as he says!

He says that about every album.

Just bumping this quote to state that I stand by it now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 10, 2011, 03:26:40 AM
So do you mean the art was released and cheesy?

Or that 13 better be the best since Rust?

Or that Dave always promises that, regardless of the truth?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on August 10, 2011, 03:56:35 AM
^ just sayin' that whatever Dave says nowadays i'm not gonna get all excited like i used to. head crusher was an excellent single but once endgame hit.... oh boy... well let's just leave it at that hey.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on August 10, 2011, 04:20:10 AM
when Endgame came out, "the right to go insane" made me crazy... a killer song I thought... but it's been highly underrated...
they couldn't pull off the video though  :-\

love it anyway...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1rE5m8Atg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1rE5m8Atg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on August 10, 2011, 04:57:10 AM
Yep its a great song, and I liked the video too. Metal bands normally have terrible videos.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 10, 2011, 05:07:19 AM
Hmm, what'd you say is the worst metal video you've seen?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on August 10, 2011, 05:52:39 AM
Well I don't agree that metal bands have terrible videos.... but I really laugh at this one:
Judas Priest- Hot Rockin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki3TpFZY7cU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki3TpFZY7cU&feature=player_embedded)


and to go back to Megadeth... this makes me want to go back to my drumming lessons... immediately
Megadeth - Trust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQTuz2fLUVw&feature=player_embedded#at=29
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on August 10, 2011, 09:22:41 AM
I listened to Rust In Piece today. It's been a long time, and I liked it alot more than I remember. Even the middle songs I didn't really care for before were :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 10, 2011, 12:19:51 PM
Personally, I don't feel anything they've done has quite measured up to the three album run of Rust -> Countdown -> Youthanasia.  Risk threw everyone for a loop because it was so different, but the quality was definitely high enough to put it close to those other three.  But aside from those four, I don't feel anything else has quite reached the VERY high standards set by those albums.  But that being said, the last two were definitely pretty good, and I have high hopes that the new one will be even better, for some reason.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on August 10, 2011, 12:20:36 PM
I'd put Peace Sells far above Risk actually.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 10, 2011, 12:26:41 PM
Most people would.  That's fine.  I personally REALLY like Risk, but I know that I'm in the minority on that one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 10, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
Personally, I don't feel anything they've done has quite measured up to the three album run of Rust -> Countdown -> Youthanasia.  Risk threw everyone for a loop because it was so different, but the quality was definitely high enough to put it close to those other three.  But aside from those four, I don't feel anything else has quite reached the VERY high standards set by those albums.  But that being said, the last two were definitely pretty good, and I have high hopes that the new one will be even better, for some reason.

I would definitely throw So Far, So Good... So What into the top tier albums.  Even though Anarchy in the U.K really needs to go away, there are some of the very best Megadeth songs on there.  (Maybe even the best song)  I also agree about Risk being near the top.  It's a great example of a band venturing outside of their typical sound and style and not being terrible at it. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 10, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
I'd put Peace Sells far above Risk actually.

I agree. Wake Up Dead, Peace Sells, Good Mourning/Black Friday, and My Last Words are all exemplary showings of peak-form Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on August 10, 2011, 12:31:52 PM
^not a single minority^ it works for me too.
And I agree with your run of three.

Im a big Marty fan..so.....without marty Im always going to judge harshly.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2011, 12:34:26 PM
Personally, I don't feel anything they've done has quite measured up to the three album run of Rust -> Countdown -> Youthanasia.  Risk threw everyone for a loop because it was so different, but the quality was definitely high enough to put it close to those other three.  But aside from those four, I don't feel anything else has quite reached the VERY high standards set by those albums.  But that being said, the last two were definitely pretty good, and I have high hopes that the new one will be even better, for some reason.

I would definitely throw So Far, So Good... So What into the top tier albums.  Even though Anarchy in the U.K really needs to go away, there are some of the very best Megadeth songs on there.  (Maybe even the best song)  I also agree about Risk being near the top.  It's a great example of a band venturing outside of their typical sound and style and not being terrible at it. 
I agree. Set The World Afire, Liar, Hook In Mouth, and especially the great Mary Jane are all vastly underrated songs in the Megadeth catalog.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 10, 2011, 12:36:56 PM
As for the newer releases, they're strong enough, especially for a band so far into their lifetime.  Nothing terribly exciting going on in the last one, but it was a solid record. 

United Abominations was great, but to me it was a very top-heavy record.  Nearly all of the better songs appeared early on.  (Particularly, the first 4 are probably the strongest to me)  And, of course, the remake of A Tout Le Monde was a very bad decision and a track that I've been generally trying to forget. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on August 10, 2011, 02:29:43 PM
Maybe it has something to do with it being the first album released after I was a fan of the band, but I have particular affection for Cryptic Writings.  Not saying it's my favorite, but it's surely in the top 4 or 5.  So many great songs on that album.  I still remember taping "Trust" off the radio before the album came out and playing that tape to deth. 

Good times.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mr. Beale on August 10, 2011, 05:05:27 PM
Cryptic Writings is a pretty big drop from Youthanisa for me, Trust being the only great track on it (okay She-Wolf is pretty good too). To say nothing of Risk. Granted I'd still take them over Metallica's rock period.

I do like the last couple of records a lot, but I must say The System Has Failed is my favorite album post-Countdown.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on August 10, 2011, 06:36:09 PM
As for the newer releases, they're strong enough, especially for a band so far into their lifetime.  Nothing terribly exciting going on in the last one, but it was a solid record. 

United Abominations was great, but to me it was a very top-heavy record.  Nearly all of the better songs appeared early on.  (Particularly, the first 4 are probably the strongest to me)  And, of course, the remake of A Tout Le Monde was a very bad decision and a track that I've been generally trying to forget. 
I agree with what you've said in this thread, So Far... is awesome! :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 10, 2011, 06:38:41 PM
As for the newer releases, they're strong enough, especially for a band so far into their lifetime.  Nothing terribly exciting going on in the last one, but it was a solid record. 

United Abominations was great, but to me it was a very top-heavy record.  Nearly all of the better songs appeared early on.  (Particularly, the first 4 are probably the strongest to me)  And, of course, the remake of A Tout Le Monde was a very bad decision and a track that I've been generally trying to forget. 
I agree with what you've said in this thread, So Far... is awesome! :)
You bet it's awesome!  Top tier, along with Peace Sells, RIP, and Countdown! 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on August 10, 2011, 06:50:38 PM
Most people would.  That's fine.  I personally REALLY like Risk, but I know that I'm in the minority on that one.

I love Risk. So much good stuff on that album. It's much, much better than Cryptic Writings and The World Needs a Hero.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 10, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
Risk is indeed awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 10, 2011, 08:08:59 PM
Risk is really good. Not sure if I'd say it's awesome, but it gets way too much shit. Definitely a bunch of good songs on it.

I could never get into The World Needs a Hero though. It just felt like they were trying too hard to be heavy and thrashy again, but they just weren't there. I do like Disconnect though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on August 10, 2011, 08:35:47 PM
Bought Countdown the other day.  Pretty good.  Not RiP good but I might like it better than Peace Sells.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 10, 2011, 08:36:43 PM
If you enjoyed it, you may enjoy Youthanasia, as well.  Slower and more grunge-y, but good, nonetheless. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on August 10, 2011, 09:17:56 PM
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 10, 2011, 10:25:20 PM
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.
This is very true.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on August 10, 2011, 10:27:33 PM
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.

Drew, have I ever told you that you're hilarious?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 10, 2011, 10:38:05 PM
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.
This is very true.

Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.

Drew, have I ever told you that you're hilarious?

Joke.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mr. Beale on August 10, 2011, 10:38:36 PM
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.

lolno
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 10, 2011, 10:41:46 PM
Youthanasia is fantastic though.

Countdown, well, the highs are really high but the lows are just... ugh Psychotron and the title-track.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on August 10, 2011, 10:46:09 PM
Youthanasia is fantastic though.

Countdown, well, the highs are really high but the lows are just... ugh Psychotron and the title-track.

I can agree Psychotron isn't the most stellar track on the disc, but calling the title track a "low?"  I disagree.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 10, 2011, 10:47:34 PM
Youthanasia is fantastic though.

Countdown, well, the highs are really high but the lows are just... ugh Psychotron and the title-track.

I can agree Psychotron isn't the most stellar track on the disc, but calling the title track a "low?"  I disagree.
I liked it at first, but it hasn't aged well at all for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mr. Beale on August 10, 2011, 10:48:37 PM
I can agree Psychotron isn't the most stellar track on the disc, but calling the title track a "low?"  I disagree.

Me too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on August 10, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
Youthanasia is miles better than Countdown in every possible way.

Drew, have I ever told you that you're hilarious?

Not in those exact words.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: skydivingninja on August 10, 2011, 10:56:14 PM
Okay Gadough, so since you like it it must mean I'll hate it.  I'll be sure to stay clear of that album, thanks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on August 10, 2011, 10:58:23 PM
Glad I could be of service.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2011, 12:55:13 AM
Youthanasia is fantastic though.

Countdown, well, the highs are really high but the lows are just... ugh Psychotron and the title-track.

I can agree Psychotron isn't the most stellar track on the disc, but calling the title track a "low?"  I disagree.
I liked it at first, but it hasn't aged well at all for me.

For the second time, I totally agree with you.  Are you me?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 11, 2011, 01:11:27 AM
ITT: Gadough changes his handle to surreptitiousdingleberry
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on August 11, 2011, 03:11:13 AM
Risk is really good. Not sure if I'd say it's awesome, but it gets way too much shit. Definitely a bunch of good songs on it.

I love Risk, but it's hardly the quintessential Megadeth record so I'm not surprised that certain sections of their fanbase aren't keen on it.

It reminds me of Queensryche's Hear In The Now Frontier, which I feel would take a lot less stick if it'd just been a DeGarmo solo album.

Quote
I could never get into The World Needs a Hero though. It just felt like they were trying too hard to be heavy and thrashy again, but they just weren't there. I do like Disconnect though.

As soon as an artist tries to tailor their writing to what they perceive their fans want then they're on a sticky wicket and TWNAH is a prime example of how it can backfire. It didn't help that Al Pitrelli wasn't in the same league as Friedman (technically he probably is, but technique alone doesn't write interesting solos), but fundamentally the album is ploddier than PC Plod plodding around plodtown.

Personally, I think the only strong post-Risk album is The System Has Failed, which was written as a solo album without any overt attempts to appease Megadeth fans (ignoring bringing in Chris Poland to do solos).

There's decent material on UA and Endgame, but until Mustaine starts singing melodies properly again I'm out and I say that as someone who has Megadeth on 1000+ plays on Last.FM.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on August 11, 2011, 04:08:10 AM
Risk is really good. Not sure if I'd say it's awesome, but it gets way too much shit. Definitely a bunch of good songs on it.

and I say that as someone who has Megadeth on 1000+ plays on Last.FM.

i have to disagree and say this doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on August 11, 2011, 07:00:45 AM
Risk is really good. Not sure if I'd say it's awesome, but it gets way too much shit. Definitely a bunch of good songs on it.

and I say that as someone who has Megadeth on 1000+ plays on Last.FM.

i have to disagree and say this doesn't mean anything.

You're right, it doesn't mean anything when you pull it completely out of its relevant context :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2011, 04:07:59 PM
Listening to UA right now thanks to this thread.  It is better than I remembered.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: alexofsweden on August 11, 2011, 07:24:55 PM
quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)

you´re opinions???
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on August 11, 2011, 07:27:18 PM
quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)

you´re opinions???
No, I'm LCArenas.

I don't know, but I sure hope it's better than Endgame. Album has aged REALLY bad for me over this years.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on August 11, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
No, I am not opinions.


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Global Laziness on August 11, 2011, 07:28:29 PM
...you just copied his joke.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on August 11, 2011, 07:29:22 PM
Great minds think alike.


Edit: Also, I type slow.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: alexofsweden on August 11, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)

you´re opinions???
No, I'm LCArenas.

I don't know, but I sure hope it's better than Endgame. Album has aged REALLY bad for me over this years.

LCArenas??
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on August 11, 2011, 07:40:59 PM
That's his name, don't wear it out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on August 11, 2011, 10:24:53 PM
quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)

you´re opinions???
No, I'm LCArenas.

I don't know, but I sure hope it's better than Endgame. Album has aged REALLY bad for me over this years.

LCArenas??
Indeed. Check my username ;)
That's his name, don't wear it out.
:hat
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on September 07, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
quote: "Glen Drover: 'Th1rt3en Borrows Something From Every Era Of The Band'.....wtf!!! first of all, he sucks at drums...2:nd i´ve met him and he´s boring as hell (but though a nice guy...met Dave aswell...actually even worse!!)...3:rd...(don´t get me wrong here...i love Megadeth, probalby my 2:nd favourite band of all time) Megadeth atopped being Megadeth after R.I.P...after R.I.P it´s all about Mustaine trying be better then Metallica...the last album (endgame) was/are the best since Cryptic Writings..but it lacks of hunger and angry (wich Megadeth used to be all about)

you´re opinions???

Yes, my opinion is you have horrible grammar.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on September 07, 2011, 04:44:11 PM
Studio version of Public Enemy No. 1.

https://www.megadeth.com/ (https://www.megadeth.com/)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on September 07, 2011, 04:54:24 PM
Studio version of Public Enemy No. 1.

https://www.megadeth.com/ (https://www.megadeth.com/)
Liking what I'm hearing. Sounds like CtE/TSHF :metal :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 07, 2011, 05:43:11 PM
PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE


99 WAYS TO DIIIIIIIIIIIIEEE
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on September 07, 2011, 06:06:24 PM
MY BODY ACHES
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mr. Beale on September 07, 2011, 07:09:14 PM
I like it  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on September 08, 2011, 04:18:40 AM
Sounds good!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2011, 05:50:39 AM
Did anyone pick up the Peace Sells Box Set?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2011, 07:45:42 AM
So, the new album has Black Swan (from UA special edition), Sudden Death (from Guitar Hero 6), Millennium of the Blind (from Youthanasia remaster), and New World Order (also from Youthanasia remaster).

How can bands get away with that in this day and age?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on September 08, 2011, 12:34:01 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/megadeth_artwork_and_tracklist_for_th1rt3en_revealed.html

(https://img.ultimate-guitar.com/_img/news/other/mega13_1.jpg)

CD track listing:

01. Sudden Death
02. Public Enemy No. 1
03. Whose Life (Is It Anyways?)
04. We The People
05. Guns, Drugs & Money
06. Never Dead
07. New World Order
08. Fast Lane
09. Black Swan
10. Wrecker
11. Millennium Of The Blind
12. Deadly Nightshade
13. 13

Limited-edition picture-disc vinyl track listing:

Side A:

01. Sudden Death
02. Public Enemy No. 1
03. Whose Life (Is It Anyways?)
04. We The People

Side B:

01. Guns, Drugs & Money
02. Never Dead
03. New World Order

Side C:

01. Fast Lane
02. Black Swan
03. Wrecker

Side D:

01. Millennium Of the Blind
02. Deadly Nightshade
03. 13
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2011, 12:41:46 PM
Is there a release date for it? I can't remember.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on September 08, 2011, 12:44:26 PM
Wikipedia says November 1 but I guess it's not from an official source.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2011, 01:06:42 PM
Dave said November 1 as well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on September 08, 2011, 01:11:38 PM
So, the new album has Black Swan (from UA special edition), Sudden Death (from Guitar Hero 6), Millennium of the Blind (from Youthanasia remaster), and New World Order (also from Youthanasia remaster).

How can bands get away with that in this day and age?
If you look into it more,  Black Swan and New World Order are completely re recorded and he said they sound completely different from the originals, and Millennium of the Blind has a lot added so it's practically a new song.
Also, I'm liking Public Enemy No. 1.  This album looks to be better than Endgame which I'm not the fondest of.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2011, 01:13:00 PM
Hm, I can't decide what I want. New World Order is one of their best songs, so changing it would be a huge mistake.

Why can't we just have all new music?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on September 08, 2011, 01:16:42 PM
I look at it this way, if you don't like it, just skip over it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2011, 01:24:14 PM
I don't skip songs on albums. Ever. Can't think of a single instance I've done that in the last 6 years.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on September 08, 2011, 01:28:06 PM
Anyways, its still 9 new songs.  Thats usually the standard number of new songs on a lot of metal records today anyways.
Title: Opeth is my favorite band btw
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 08, 2011, 01:59:09 PM
Anyways, its still 9 new songs.  Thats usually the standard number of new songs on a lot of metal records today anyways.

Heck, for Opeth that'd be a double album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2011, 03:24:18 PM
New song is pretty good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SPNKr on September 08, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
and again the front cover is a person with their back turned presumably walking away with an ugly border
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 08, 2011, 06:23:19 PM
Millennium Of the Blind was a bonus track on Youthanasia, something is not right.
November 1st was confirmed on the deth forum by someone fromthe band I don't remember who.
The cover is slightly less awful than Endgame but still a complete and utter disappointment when compared to any of their album cover arts from KIMB to UA (Yes even UA) and it's not the concept at all; it's the quality and the execution of the drawing in general. The raw vibe that made previous Megadeth cover arts so morbid has been replaced on the 13 and Endgame with a very computerized vibe.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on September 09, 2011, 12:16:32 AM
I quite liked Endgames cover (and UA's was awesome!), but this is too similair to Endgame for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on September 09, 2011, 04:45:10 AM
What a wonderful last quarter is waiting for us..... I'm having a ball.....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on September 09, 2011, 08:12:04 PM
I don't skip songs on albums. Ever. Can't think of a single instance I've done that in the last 6 years.

Must be something I picked up from listening to Scenes so much, same here Ultihetalmead.



First time I've heard of this new album though. New DT on the 13th, Mastodon on the 27th, Iced Earth on October the 18th, and now Megadeth on the 1rst of November? Good freaking time to have my music taste ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on September 09, 2011, 08:44:54 PM
I never skip songs either.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on September 10, 2011, 07:21:57 AM
I can't see any songs to skip in any albums  :o
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on September 10, 2011, 08:22:48 AM
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.

Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on September 10, 2011, 01:03:27 PM
If I'm listening  to an album and there's a song that I really want to hear I usually skip to it and then go back to whichever song I was on heh.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on September 14, 2011, 06:28:38 AM
Studio version of Public Enemy No. 1.

https://www.megadeth.com/ (https://www.megadeth.com/)

If the rest of the album is up to this standard then I'll be very happy. There's melody in the vocals again! \o/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on September 14, 2011, 07:43:58 AM
Sounds good! :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on September 14, 2011, 10:22:42 AM
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.

Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.

QFT. And Peace Sells is 2nd best.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on September 16, 2011, 06:54:55 PM
and again the front cover is a person with their back turned presumably walking away with an ugly border

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on September 16, 2011, 09:13:30 PM
Fuck you all, Megadeths Almost Honest is an amazing song ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on September 18, 2011, 08:22:10 AM
Fuck you all, Megadeths Almost Honest is an amazing song ;D

:tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on September 20, 2011, 04:33:03 PM
Never Dead in full...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-3bhFbKZtU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-3bhFbKZtU&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 25, 2011, 03:04:11 PM
Fuck yeah :metal

Whenever a new Megadeth album comes out, I look forward to learning so much fun music on guitar.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 25, 2011, 03:05:54 PM
Megadeth owns.

Damn Strait they do. I bow down for Rust in Peace.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 26, 2011, 02:00:26 AM
The first minute or two of Never Dead was really promising and reminded me of creative Mustiane but then it turns into a song that I'm pretty sure existed numerous times along the last couple albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: JustinSire on September 26, 2011, 02:17:41 AM
but then it turns into a song that I'm pretty sure existed numerous times along the last couple albums.

This is the biggest problem the band, or I guess Mustaine at this point, faces. I feel this way about the majority of their new content. Public Enemy No. 1 at least sounds pretty good, and holy cannoli how it blows the new Metallica stuff out of the water.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2011, 08:57:55 AM
Well the new Metalica isn't really a new Metallica album, it's Lou Reed with improvised music.

Although I really hope Metallica bring those sonics to their next proper album.

E 440 doesn't do James' voice any favours. And Garage Inc quality production please  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 29, 2011, 11:07:16 AM
https://youtu.be/F7Zu8Lrdqnw
Check out the first comment "Talk about a flying V" :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on September 29, 2011, 06:24:54 PM
Apparently - if you get feedback in your in-ears - you can go deaf instantly. Not good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on September 29, 2011, 06:26:28 PM
Is it me, or is the remastered version of RIP terrible?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on September 29, 2011, 06:30:34 PM
Did they just brickwall it ?  ::)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 29, 2011, 08:39:56 PM
Did they just brickwall it ?  ::)
Nope. Instrumentally, it sounds like a dream. The problem is, Mustaine lost the original vocal tracks to a lot of the songs, so he had to redo them, and they sound awful compared to the original versions (the gang vocals in particular are just atrocious).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2011, 02:30:51 AM
Bull shit with cheese, the re-recorded vocals on 5 Magics are much better than the original.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 05:59:17 AM
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.

Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.

Rust in Peace was my first Megadeth album and believe it or not I bought be because I thought the cover looked cool.  I was totally taking a chance, because I had not heard one note of Megadeth up to that point. 

The album blew my fucking mind  :eek :hefdaddy :eek - from there I worked my way backwards through their catalog, and to this day, while owning everything they've ever released, I don't think they've ever made a record as solid a Rust In Peace

Some really fun tracks in there to cover too.  I was in a band for a while that did nothing but Metallica and Megadeth covers (on bass guitar) and some of those tracks are pretty challenging.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 30, 2011, 07:45:06 AM
Bull shit with cheese, the re-recorded vocals on 5 Magics are much better than the original.
Holy lolno. The "possessed with hellish torment" section actually felt menacing and evil on the original. The remaster sounds like Mustaine just being slightly more nasal.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2011, 08:13:12 AM
Wow!
Wait.. did we talk about this before?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 30, 2011, 08:47:39 AM
Wow!
Wait.. did we talk about this before?
Maybe...I remember having some huge disagreement with you about Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2011, 10:31:24 AM
Probably about this.
I thought just had my first internet Déjà vu :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2011, 10:39:48 AM
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.

Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.

Rust in Peace was my first Megadeth album and believe it or not I bought be because I thought the cover looked cool.  I was totally taking a chance, because I had not heard one note of Megadeth up to that point. 

The album blew my fucking mind  :eek :hefdaddy :eek - from there I worked my way backwards through their catalog, and to this day, while owning everything they've ever released, I don't think they've ever made a record as solid a Rust In Peace

Some really fun tracks in there to cover too.  I was in a band for a while that did nothing but Metallica and Megadeth covers (on bass guitar) and some of those tracks are pretty challenging.

Interesting.  The first time I heard that album, it turned me off.  It was hard for me to get past the overall sound and enjoy just how good the songs were at the time.  Kind of reminds me of Mindcrime, which sort of had similar production values in that it deliberately had a very cold, harsh production quality that I found very offputting at first.  The much warmer sound on Countdown is what really pulled me in, hooked me, and made me a fan.  Then Youthanasia came out, and I realized this was a band that had some serious good things to offer, and I went back and really got into RIP at that time.  To me, RIP-Youthanasia (and included the Hidden Treasures EP) was the golden age for their sound.  Other than a few songs here and there, I don't like the earlier albums.  With Cryptic Writings, I felt like they went too far in making a slick, polished, friendly-for-the-masses album, although there are definitely some strong tracks.  Risk was a glorious experiment and comes in for me at #4 behind the "big 3" albums mentioned above.  After that, it's sort of hit-and-miss, where on any given albums, I like some songs and skip others.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 30, 2011, 10:42:51 AM
I got the Rude Awakening album as my first Megadeth experience because I wanted to hear The Mechanix (being a huge Metallica fan at the time, it made me very curious). I thought the song sucked, because that live version is really atrocious, but I ended up listening to a bit of the first disc and it was fucking sick. Dread and the Fugitive Mind, Kill the King, Wake Up Dead, and I was hooked.

I then bought Rust in Peace because everybody talked about it, and I didn't care for it much until one day it just clicked. I never listened to Metallica again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 30, 2011, 10:46:13 AM
You can't listen to both bands? That's weird.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2011, 10:47:05 AM
I got the Rude Awakening album as my first Megadeth experience because I wanted to hear The Mechanix (being a huge Metallica fan at the time, it made me very curious). I thought the song sucked, because that live version is really atrocious, but I ended up listening to a bit of the first disc and it was fucking sick. Dread and the Fugitive Mind, Kill the King, Wake Up Dead, and I was hooked.

I then bought Rust in Peace because everybody talked about it, and I didn't care for it much until one day it just clicked. I never listened to Metallica again.

I'm trying to remember--when you and Russell Allen first got together and decided to form a band, didn't you guys meet at a Metallica concert?  I thought I remembered reading that somewhere.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 30, 2011, 10:53:52 AM
You can't listen to both bands? That's weird.
I can. I chose not to.

I'm trying to remember--when you and Russell Allen first got together and decided to form a band, didn't you guys meet at a Metallica concert?  I thought I remembered reading that somewhere.
Russell Allen didn't join me until we released that shit album with Rod Taylor or some shit. Learn your history, noob.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 30, 2011, 10:55:34 AM
You can't listen to both bands? That's weird.
I can. I chose not to.

I'm trying to remember--when you and Russell Allen first got together and decided to form a band, didn't you guys meet at a Metallica concert?  I thought I remembered reading that somewhere.
Russell Allen didn't join me until we released that shit album with Rod Taylor or some shit. Learn your history, noob.

Why are you pretending to be Michael Romeo?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 30, 2011, 10:56:10 AM
Bosk thinks I look like him, so I guess that means I am. :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2011, 10:57:32 AM
Well, you used to anyway.  I saw a fairly recent pic of you in the post-your-pic thread, and was kind of disappointed that apparently, since hitting puberty earlier this year, you aren't looking like him so much anymore.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 30, 2011, 10:58:08 AM
Bosk thinks I look like him, so I guess that means I am. :p

Oh... I always thought you looked like George Carlin.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2011, 10:58:17 AM
You can't listen to both bands? That's weird.

Weird is the sweetest word that can describe the situation with Ultimetalhead Metallica/Megadeth problems :lol

I got the Rude Awakening album as my first Megadeth experience because I wanted to hear The Mechanix (being a huge Metallica fan at the time, it made me very curious). I thought the song sucked, because that live version is really atrocious, but I ended up listening to a bit of the first disc and it was fucking sick. Dread and the Fugitive Mind, Kill the King, Wake Up Dead, and I was hooked.

Man Rude Awakening was such an awful DVD.
I became a Megadeth fan the same day I became a Metallica fan. I guess that's why I never turned my back on one of them or got into fights with dick Megadeth fans at school. I remember it that day and I'll always be grateful to the guy who introduced me to them, he just gave me Countdown to Extinction and The Black Album. He later explained to me that he needed to give me the heavy albums before the thrash albums which is a method I later used successfully to convert fans of different music genres to metal :lol, you gotta lure them in.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 30, 2011, 11:01:43 AM
Well, you used to anyway.  I saw a fairly recent pic of you in the post-your-pic thread, and was kind of disappointed that apparently, since hitting puberty earlier this year, you aren't looking like him so much anymore.
Tee-hee.

Contrary to popular belief, the reason I'm a Megadeth elitist is because I think Megadeth makes better music, not because Metallica sucks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 30, 2011, 11:09:21 AM
Contrary to popular belief, the reason I'm a Megadeth elitist is because I think Megadeth makes better music, not because Metallica sucks.

Me too.  (except I wouldn't call myself a Megadeth elitist)  I enjoy both bands, but I think Megadeth has put out a larger number of good songs/albums, and I think their songs are, for the most part, just a bit better.  For me, I'm fine not owning a Metallica album other than Ride the Lightning, Puppets, AJFA, and the black album (and I LOVE those 4).  I like other songs here and there throughout their catalog, but not enough to spend money on an entire album.  For Megadeth, other than the pre-RIP albums (and if you are seeing a pattern with both of these bands, it is probably because there is one--I'm just not a fan of that early thrash sound; I like the bit more refined sound both bands came up with later), there is enough to enjoy on all their albums that keeps me coming back and buying them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2011, 11:11:25 AM
Contrary to popular belief, the reason I'm a Megadeth elitist is because I think Megadeth makes better music, not because Metallica sucks.

Cannot disagree there  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 30, 2011, 11:28:17 AM
So......Who's interested in this years Gigantour.

Since they're touring with Lacuna Coil, will they play A Tout Le Monde w/ Christina Scabbia.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 30, 2011, 11:31:01 AM
So......Who's interested in this years Gigantour.

Since they're touring with Lacuna Coil, will they play A Tout Le Monde w/ Christina Scabbia.
Probably.  :\
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on September 30, 2011, 11:36:13 AM
I was never a fan of that song, and the version with Scabbia is even worse.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2011, 12:26:08 PM
^ I said this in the Youthanasia survivor last year and I almost had shoes thrown at me Iraqi style.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 12:26:49 PM
Just gave RIP a listen. Easily the best Megadeth album.

Now, I'm listening to Peace Sells.

Rust in Peace was my first Megadeth album and believe it or not I bought be because I thought the cover looked cool.  I was totally taking a chance, because I had not heard one note of Megadeth up to that point. 

The album blew my fucking mind  :eek :hefdaddy :eek - from there I worked my way backwards through their catalog, and to this day, while owning everything they've ever released, I don't think they've ever made a record as solid a Rust In Peace

Some really fun tracks in there to cover too.  I was in a band for a while that did nothing but Metallica and Megadeth covers (on bass guitar) and some of those tracks are pretty challenging.

Interesting.  The first time I heard that album, it turned me off.  It was hard for me to get past the overall sound and enjoy just how good the songs were at the time.  Kind of reminds me of Mindcrime, which sort of had similar production values in that it deliberately had a very cold, harsh production quality that I found very offputting at first.  The much warmer sound on Countdown is what really pulled me in, hooked me, and made me a fan.  Then Youthanasia came out, and I realized this was a band that had some serious good things to offer, and I went back and really got into RIP at that time.  To me, RIP-Youthanasia (and included the Hidden Treasures EP) was the golden age for their sound.  Other than a few songs here and there, I don't like the earlier albums.  With Cryptic Writings, I felt like they went too far in making a slick, polished, friendly-for-the-masses album, although there are definitely some strong tracks.  Risk was a glorious experiment and comes in for me at #4 behind the "big 3" albums mentioned above.  After that, it's sort of hit-and-miss, where on any given albums, I like some songs and skip others.

I never really got into Youthanasia too much.  And I found their early stuff a bit difficult to digest.  I think my second-favorite record would probably be "Countdown To Extinction"  Haven't really liked too much of the modern stuff, although I thought "The System Has Failed" had some good tracks on it.

I agree about the sound quality, though.  "Rust In Peace" is very raw and sort of blunt, sonically.  But looking back, I think that's one of the things that made it great.  I think it's also probably Marty Friedman's best performance with the band. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2011, 12:29:33 PM
The System Has Failed is still my favorite post-break up album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 12:30:58 PM
The System Has Failed is still my favorite post-break up album.

Agreed  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 30, 2011, 12:43:26 PM
The original version of A Tout Le Monde is awesome. The new version is not.

And Endgame is the best reunion album, silly.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on September 30, 2011, 12:46:03 PM
The original version of A Tout Le Monde is awesome. The new version is not.

And Endgame is the best reunion album, silly.
Endgame was pretty boring honestly,  Headcrusher and two other songs were good while the rest of the album was meh and passable.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 01:12:04 PM
The original version of A Tout Le Monde is awesome. The new version is not.

And Endgame is the best reunion album, silly.

I really want to like Endgame, but it just never clicked with me.  To.....samey....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mr. Beale on September 30, 2011, 04:43:15 PM
Well, you used to anyway.  I saw a fairly recent pic of you in the post-your-pic thread, and was kind of disappointed that apparently, since hitting puberty earlier this year, you aren't looking like him so much anymore.
Contrary to popular belief, the reason I'm a Megadeth elitist is because I think Megadeth makes better music, not because Metallica sucks.

Yep. I still like Metallica's 80s records but Megadeth tops them during every comparable era.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2011, 07:47:19 PM
Papa Het's current live voice




Vampire Weekend






Dave Mustaine's current live voice.
A Screaming Toddler
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 30, 2011, 09:44:32 PM
Papa Het's current live voice




Neutral Milk Hotel

Dave Mustaine's current live voice.
A Screaming Toddler
FIFM

I've never really been a big fan of Mustaine's voice. It's always been something I've merely tolerated because the music itself was awesome. He is much, much worse now though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: contest_sanity on September 30, 2011, 10:19:30 PM
I love his voice from the 90's!

Now, or the 80's, not as much.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2011, 11:46:48 AM
Sorry, what does FIFM mean ?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 01, 2011, 02:07:44 PM
Sorry, what does FIFM mean ?
Fixed It For Me :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2011, 07:29:09 PM
Ah ok. I thought it might mean that.

However... never having Heard Neutral Milk Hotel, I chose Vampire Weekend, who are hands-down the

single WORST band i've ever heard in my life.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on October 01, 2011, 10:00:05 PM
Ah ok. I thought it might mean that.

However... never having Heard Neutral Milk Hotel, I chose Vampire Weekend, who are hands-down the

single WORST band i've ever heard in my life.
Fuck'a you!  I like Vampire Weekend!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2011, 05:51:08 AM
.....


What is there to like ?  ???

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on October 15, 2011, 08:01:57 PM
Whose Life (Is it Anyway?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEutWoaZgOk&feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEutWoaZgOk&feature)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on October 15, 2011, 08:03:55 PM
Listening...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 16, 2011, 09:08:29 AM
Not bad. I'm pretty bummed that it's sounding like CTE part 2, but I guess I should have expected a bit of a slowdown after Endgame.

Either way, new Megadeth is something I'll always be excited for.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 16, 2011, 09:57:06 AM
Yeah, it does have kind of a CtE vibe doesn't it?

Well, I'm at least glad that the vocals don't sound awful like on Endgame and UA.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on October 16, 2011, 03:23:33 PM
That was extremely boring, I'm not going to lie.
And jesus christ those lyrics.  I think I'll pass on this album. :tdwn
EDIT:  I really like it on youtube when fans get really butthurt and have to innacurately tell me other bands I give as examples suck and I'm just a HATR.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on October 17, 2011, 09:25:10 AM
I like it.... I dig Megadeth sound anyway....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on October 17, 2011, 09:28:58 AM
Five Magics!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on October 17, 2011, 09:30:32 AM
^ unbelievable intro!!!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on October 17, 2011, 09:30:36 AM
Whose Life (Is it Anyway?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEutWoaZgOk&feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEutWoaZgOk&feature)

Dumb diddly um.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on October 17, 2011, 09:31:51 AM
^ unbelievable intro!!!!

I think it's my favorite Megadeth song... I don't know...Rust In Peace...Polaris is great too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on October 17, 2011, 09:37:11 AM
Agreed.... Marty factor...  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: chrisbDTM on October 17, 2011, 03:15:56 PM
World Under Blood - Wake Up Dead cover

WUB is a sideproject of guitarist/singer of CKY


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_SGmAWjT5E
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on October 17, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
Samples of every song

Sudden Death was rerecorded for the album

https://www.amazon.com/TH1RT3EN-Megadeth/dp/B005LRWRZ8/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1318862185&sr=1-1 (https://www.amazon.com/TH1RT3EN-Megadeth/dp/B005LRWRZ8/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1318862185&sr=1-1)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: crawl_away on October 24, 2011, 02:49:33 AM
Thirteen is such a great album.

So much variety, so many great riffs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on October 24, 2011, 03:05:06 AM
 :metal :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 24, 2011, 05:52:39 AM
Won't be able to listen to it until after class, but I'm excited as fuck.   :metal

Edit: Just did a quick "click-through" to make sure it was legit. The riff at the beginning of Deadly Nightshade is all sorts of heavy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XianL on October 24, 2011, 07:01:26 AM
Won't be able to listen to it until after class, but I'm excited as fuck.   :metal

Edit: Just did a quick "click-through" to make sure it was legit. The riff at the beginning of Deadly Nightshade is all sorts of heavy.

Very cool riff :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 24, 2011, 12:15:50 PM
This is awesome so far. Definitely seems like a bit of a re-imagining of CTE in spots, but there's a few passages that recall the speed from Endgame. The guitar work is stellar, and the lyrics range from decent to cringe-inducing.

Basically, it's another Megadeth album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: crawl_away on October 24, 2011, 03:16:26 PM
I was a little underwhelmed the first couple of listens, but then after about four listens it struck me just how damn good this album is.

It flows through really well. Great production, every song rocks out, Juniors bass sound is huge!

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 25, 2011, 11:42:54 AM
Basically, it's another Megadeth album.

absolutely. satisfying, but in an entirely expected way.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on October 25, 2011, 11:47:37 AM
I have to disagree about it being good, its just a lackluster attempt and definitely not Mustaines best work.  The lyrics are also weak.  That's just my two cents.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on October 25, 2011, 12:14:24 PM
As a twenty year Megadeth fan I can't understand how can anyone like this one. It's a stone cold rehash of old material and Mustaines vocals are so in the front with the same grunting. There isn't a dot of originality on this one. I kind of see Megadeth leading the quality slope with aging. I would rather listen to Risk damnit.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: crawl_away on October 25, 2011, 03:59:43 PM
I'm really surprised others aren't loving it.

It only took me a few spins through to arrive at the conclusion that this is easily their most solid effort since CW.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on October 25, 2011, 04:02:42 PM
As mediocre as Endgame was, it's much better than thirteen
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 25, 2011, 07:36:56 PM
Thirteen is good, but it reeks of Mustaine just getting something out as fast as possible to get off of RoadRunner. Three redone songs and some pretty awful lyrics. Not to mention 2 songs recorded for video games.

I have trouble classifying this as a true studio album, but it's still Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: crawl_away on October 26, 2011, 04:14:48 AM
My favourite tracks:

Fast Lane - Holy shit! Insane song! Reminds me of Motorhead. Love the middle breakdown riff and the really fast ending part. I also love the effect of Mustaine's vocals in the chorus, and when he sings "This is my Domain!!!"  :metal

Deadly Nightshade - What a crushing riff! This song is like a hypnotic, bad ass pummeling of old-school metal. Love it.

Wrecker - Another song with an old school metal vibe, very groovy riffs and punk vibe. I love how pissed of Mustaine is when he sings the last "Wreck it" line before the chorus. The middle part has some great riffage too.

NWO: So glad to finally have a studio album version of this song. The main riff is one of the best Mustaine ever came up with. I am very greatful for how faithful they maintained to the original track. That ending section!!!  :metal

Black Swan - Again, so glad this gem of a track is finally going to get the attention it deserves. Ellefson said that when he heard it he said to Dave that they had to re-record it to get it out there because it was such a great track. I think it is the catchiest song Mustaine has written since re-forming the band. Love it.

Sudden Death - Work so well as the opener. So heavy, so many crazy solos. I close my eyes when listening to this and imagine the RIP era. Great chorus too.

Never Dead - Love it. Similar to Sudden Death: super heavy but with a super catchy chorus. This is what I enjoy so much in Megadeth.

Honourable Mentions:

Guns, Drugs and Money - love the pre-chorus part where Mustaine sings "poverty will turn the life of any man good man bad" with the FX on his voice. Pure bad-ass.

Public Enemy No. 1 - A great NWOBHM style track. Great riff and good chorus. Very groovy.

Thirteen - Not blown away by the title track, but I certainly enjoy it. I have a feeling it will be a grower.

Whose Life, We the People and Millenium are all track I enjoy listening to.

Great fucking album  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 26, 2011, 05:26:36 AM
I'd enjoy Fast Lane and Wrecker a bit more if the lyrics weren't so awful. 13 is easily the best track on the album though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: crawl_away on October 26, 2011, 02:56:22 PM
I'd enjoy Fast Lane and Wrecker a bit more if the lyrics weren't so awful. 13 is easily the best track on the album though.

I believe that both Fast Lane and Wrecker are about drug abuse. I guess they're not the most subtle lyrics, but I don't see how the lyrics to Fast Lane could be different whilst tackling the same subject.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: deadtotheworld on October 26, 2011, 04:51:10 PM
I havent been overly keen on the last few albums but im loving Thirteen. I think they rerecorded 3 tracks purely to have 13 tracks on the album, they probably wrote 10 and just as an afterthought they just wanted to do 13 to go with the gimick of 13 tracks on album 13. I do get the feeling though that this could be Megadeths last album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 01, 2011, 04:14:56 PM
They played on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night...in awesome costumes too. Pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u07HAjurtWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u07HAjurtWo)

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 01, 2011, 04:41:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7D7VHORU4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7D7VHORU4Y)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 01, 2011, 04:46:38 PM
They played on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night...in awesome costumes too. Pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u07HAjurtWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u07HAjurtWo)



That's...amazing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Serpentor on November 02, 2011, 08:18:37 AM
presale tickets onsale this morning for Gigantour.  I was able to get 2 using the password gigantour.  tix are $50. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on November 02, 2011, 01:05:59 PM
presale tickets onsale this morning for Gigantour.  I was able to get 2 using the password gigantour.  tix are $50.
Password for January 28, Madison Square Garden, NYC is "cowbell".
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 02, 2011, 02:54:03 PM
So I went to pick this up today at the local shop I like to buy this sort of thing from (I hate the big stores like BB and Walmart unless I have no other choice), and they were sold out.  Whoa...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 02, 2011, 02:58:53 PM
Picked this up today. I think it will take a few listens. Only 5 or 6 songs through it. It feels like a late bloomer though. Not nearly as immedeately great as Endgame, or even UA, but it really rocks.
Having Ellefson back is great. I love his bass sound. Very underrated player.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 03, 2011, 09:38:23 PM
I'm about half way through, and all I have to say is...it's Megadeth. It's the same music they've put out with a different name. Now, that doesn't make it bad, it just makes it Megadeth. I think a good word to describe it so far is pedestrian. It isn't bad, it just isn't wowing me like Endgame did.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on November 04, 2011, 12:54:41 PM
Sudden Death  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on November 04, 2011, 12:56:33 PM
They've posted a video for Public Enemy No. 1 :metal

https://www.megadeth.com/home.php
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Index on November 04, 2011, 01:02:45 PM
Thirteen was pretty good. Its certainly no Endgame though. I have only listened to it a couple times, so I guess I should give it another spin.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on November 04, 2011, 01:51:43 PM
They've posted a video for Public Enemy No. 1 :metal

https://www.megadeth.com/home.php

Mustaine  :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 05, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
The video is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 05, 2011, 09:38:35 PM
So I went to pick this up today at the local shop I like to buy this sort of thing from (I hate the big stores like BB and Walmart unless I have no other choice), and they were sold out.  Whoa...

Pretty soon the first week sales will be available. Anxious to see what they are.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 05, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
We the People is by far the best song on the album. So killer. :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 06, 2011, 10:35:47 AM
Really liking Guns, Drugs, & Money a lot. The vocals are sick too.

Drinking cold cerveza in a boiling hot saloon
Chasing shots of tequila, just about high noon
Outside Nuevo Laredo, deep in no man's land
Become a killer or be killed; face down in the Rio Grande

Poverty will turn the life of any good man bad
All love and mercy ever learned, he'll soon forget what he had

Guns, drugs, and money under the Mexican sky
Guns, drugs, and money; pick your poison or you die
Guns, drugs, and money; a pistol pressed to his head
Choose silver and you're rich; you gonna die if you choose lead

He had a suitcase full of money, plenty of ammo for his gun
The sweat rolls down his dirty face, his plans have all come undone
It's just a matter of time, no matter how he tries
He hears "Plata O Plomo, Gringo?" the last words before he dies
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 06, 2011, 10:53:39 AM
No. :P We the People is better.

Violate your rights, no more equality
Surrender freedom, your Social Security
We, the people face unconstitutional lies
In greed we trust, in revolution we die
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 06, 2011, 11:04:35 AM
No :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on November 06, 2011, 11:16:12 AM
I find most of the lyrics on this album are pretty angsty and like...immature for a 50 year old. Good album, but yeah.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on November 06, 2011, 04:04:43 PM
both great songs.... but We The People  :heart

God.. that solos... and unique vocals..... :heart   :heart  :heart



and as a side note; age is irrelevant... in my book...

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 14, 2011, 07:03:19 AM
I find most of the lyrics on this album are pretty angsty and like...immature for a 50 year old. Good album, but yeah.

Well, Dave Mustain is pretty angsty and immature for a 50 year old.  This should not come as a surprise.  :lol


Just picked this album up on Friday.  After only two spins, I'll say this:  I'm not really sure what I think of it as an album.  But it is the first album from Megadeth in awhile that I have actually wanted to come back and listen to because I've had the hooks in my head vs. feeling like I should come back and listen to because it's Megadeth.  I think that bodes extremely well for this album.  And I think the album art is pretty cool.  Love the clock on the CD tray.  But for those of us who haven't been paying close attention, has Mustaine been giving hints of this being a farewell album/tour?  Seeing Rattlehead in a casket gives off that vibe.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on November 14, 2011, 07:38:27 AM
If I've noticed anything it's that Dave loves to play with the idea of throwing in the towel. He's been doing it since TSHF. Questioning the future and such. Possibly before that, but 2004 was when I became a 'follower' of the band, if you will.

13 has been interesting for me. Huuuge Megadeth fan here, absolutely adore the band. I echo how you feel bosk with this album making me want to came back for more. I love Endgame for it's brutality and technicality, but I didn't want to re-listen to it this much!

13 is chock-full of hooky riffs and lyrics, it's fun to sing along. The production sounds a little more organic when compared to the last several releases.

I really can't wait to continue learning this album on guitar ;D

Side note: Millenium Of The Blind - I love the re-work. Dave brought out some qualities in an already great demo. Fucking haunting song. I love all the water references.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on November 15, 2011, 02:31:58 AM
It's a pretty cool album, just the usual Megadeth. Favorites: Deadly nightshade, Whose life (is it anyway), Guns, drugs and money, Public enemy #1...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 18, 2011, 08:35:06 PM
Hey guys, what recent Megadeth album included a song about going a thousand miles an hour or having a thousand miles left to go, or something along those longs?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 18, 2011, 08:43:27 PM
If it helps, the song was made into a music video. I know it doesn't help. I was just watching Behind the Music and that song came up and they mentioned what album it was off of, but I couldn't remember.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on November 18, 2011, 08:44:59 PM
Moto Psycho? 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 18, 2011, 08:45:56 PM
Moto Psycho off of The World Needs a Hero, most likely. No video was made for 502, and there were very few Megadeth songs about driving fast before the last few albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 18, 2011, 08:49:19 PM
Listening now. I have to say, I listened to the studio version of A Tout Le Monde, and it was very interesting. I was used to the greatest hits version but the chick vocals made it very different.

Fake edit: Yeah, this is the song. Thanks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on November 18, 2011, 08:53:57 PM
I'm guessing you're talking about the United Abominations version?

I say it's alright, but I prefer the Youthanasia version. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 18, 2011, 08:54:35 PM


Side note: Millenium Of The Blind - I love the re-work. Dave brought out some qualities in an already great demo. Fucking haunting song. I love all the water references.

Yep. Truly epic...especially Dave's intro lead combined with Chris' clean guitar.

I'm contemplating recording the intro myself.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 18, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
I'm guessing you're talking about the United Abominations version?

I say it's alright, but I prefer the Youthanasia version. 

Yep. That one. I'm just used to it as the Greatest Hits version because that is where I originally heard it. I think I prefer the Youthanasia one as well. I'm just saying the United Abominations was very interesting and different.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 18, 2011, 08:59:39 PM
I'm guessing you're talking about the United Abominations version?

I say it's alright, but I prefer the Youthanasia version. 

Yep. That one. I'm just used to it as the Greatest Hits version because that is where I originally heard it. I think I prefer the Youthanasia one as well. I'm just saying the United Abominations was very interesting and different.

Re-recording A Tout Le Monde was Road Runner's idea. Dave wanted to re-record a heavier song to basically say "F-you, we've returned to form."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 18, 2011, 09:37:43 PM
They should have redone Skull Beneath the Skin. Song is fucking crushing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 18, 2011, 09:45:25 PM
Or like, The Conjuring. That song would blow minds with modern day recording.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on November 18, 2011, 09:46:38 PM
Or like, The Conuring. That song would blow minds with modern day recording.

I'd love to see modern Megadeth do that tune.

Unfortunately, what with Dave's born-again status, it seems rather unlikely. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 18, 2011, 09:47:43 PM
He would never play that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 18, 2011, 09:51:21 PM
Like Goddamn, imagine this recorded today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8RyqOJn0_g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8RyqOJn0_g)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on November 19, 2011, 04:36:23 PM
Doesn't get much heavier than this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tga5O8YDpzg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tga5O8YDpzg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ro30F7dvJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ro30F7dvJ4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlZUS15kPmE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlZUS15kPmE)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on November 25, 2011, 01:53:02 AM
Really enjoying Thirteen. Even though Mustaine's vocals are pretty rough at least he's singing decent melodies again, something that was sorely lacking from the prior two albums.

I almost didn't give the album the chance it deserved after hearing the risible "Oooooo..." start to Whose Life, but I'm glad I did. It's not the best Megadeth album, but it at least sounds less like Mustaine is trying to target a particularly noisome section of his fanbase and is writing more naturally.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 05, 2011, 09:15:43 AM
So, let's have another album ranking, because why the hell not.

Rust in Peace
Killing is my Business
Peace Sells
SFSGSW
Endgame
Countdown
United Abominations
The World Needs a Hero
Risk
Thirteen
Youthanasia
The System Has Failed
Cryptic Writings


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2011, 09:35:05 AM
Sure.  Why not?

1.  Countdown
2.  Youthanasia
3.  Rust in Peace (note:  top 3 are REALLY close--so close in fact that I could just as easily listed them as a 3-way tie)
4.  Risk  (yes, I really like it that much)
5.  Thirteen (probably not truly a #5, but the newness factor gets it this high for the time being)
This is where I stop caring too much, other than the occasional spin...
6.  Cryptic Writings (very inconsistent, but has enough good songs to carry it above some of the other stuff in the discog)
7.  The World Needs a Hero (Jimmy DeGrasso drum clinic + Return to Hargar = :metal )
8.  Endgame (not a bad album by any stretch, but just ultimately failed to hold my interest in the long term)
9-10.  TSHF/UA (I will occasionally listen to The System Has Failed or UA just because of one or two songs that get in my head, but very rarely)
11.-13.  The rest.  Really don't care.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MK_Ultra on December 05, 2011, 09:58:42 AM
Haven't heard 13 yet, but:
1. Rust In Peace
2. The System Has Failed
3. Countdown To Extinction
4. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying
5. Cryptic Writings
6. Endgame
7. The World Needs A Hero
8. So Far... So Good... So What!
9. United Abominations
10. Youthanasia
11. Risk
12. Killing Is My Business
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 05, 2011, 11:08:15 AM
Bosk, you don't care about the first three releases at all? They're fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2011, 11:46:50 AM
Nope. Not saying they're bad, but I just don't like the "early thrash" sound in general, and that goes far beyond Megadeth.  Once their sound evolved to what it was on Rust, that's where I really started to like it.  Same thing with other bands in the genre.  If you like it, great.  It just doesn't appeal to me. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: yorost on December 05, 2011, 11:49:58 AM
For what's it's worth, I agree with your top three.  Although, I would put Youthanasia on top.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on December 05, 2011, 01:44:48 PM
I can only list the ones I own, so here goes:

1. Rust In Peace
2. Countdown To Extinction
3. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying
4. So Far... So Good... So What!
5. Killing Is My Business
6. The System Has Failed
7. United Abominations
8. Endgame

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on December 05, 2011, 03:17:37 PM
I thought my list might cause some controversy, but after seeing Bosk ranking the first three albums at the bottom, I don't really care.  ;D

Countdown to extinction
Cryptic writings
Killing is my bussines
Rust in peace
The System has failed
Youthanasia
Peace sells
So far, so good... so what?
TH1RT3EN
Endgame
United abominations
World needs a hero
Risk
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on December 05, 2011, 07:13:30 PM
Peace Sells...
Rust In Peace
Youthanasia
The System Has Failed
Killing Is My Business
So Far, So Good, So What...
Cryptic Writings
Countdown
Risk
The World Needs A Hero
United Abominations

Haven't listened to Endgame much (what I have has not convinced me to listen any further) nor have I listened to 13 yet
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on December 05, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
1. So Far, So Good... So What!
2. Rust in Peace
3. Peace Sells...
4. Youthanasia
5. Countdown to Extinction
6. The System Has Failed
7. Killing is My Business...
8. Th1rt3en (For now)
9. Cryptic Writings
10. Endgame
11. Risk
12. The World Needs a Hero
13. United Abominations
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on December 08, 2011, 06:33:38 PM
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ENTtFf5pIs&feature=g-all  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ENTtFf5pIs&feature=g-all)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 08, 2011, 06:46:33 PM
Can you say what the link is that you're posting rather than just posting a link with no description?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on December 08, 2011, 06:49:31 PM
Well, it's form YouTube, so it must be a video. And it's a Megadeth thread, so it must have some relevancy with the band.

It's a whole concert in Baltimore 2010.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 08, 2011, 07:18:10 PM
Yeah, I know it's a video and it's probably a Megadeth video.  I asked you to be more descriptive.  Any reason to be rude and sarcastic about it? 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on December 08, 2011, 07:23:30 PM
Yeah, I know it's a video and it's probably a Megadeth video.  I asked you to be more descriptive.  Any reason to be rude and sarcastic about it?

U mad? Lighten up.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2011, 08:25:00 AM
Excuse me?  I'm telling you how you can and cannot post.  It was to be considered a friendly reminder.  But since you apparently don't care to take instruction and want to turn this into a pissing contest, I'm fine with that too.  So consider this a warning.  Keep arguing with me, and we can take it further. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2011, 08:28:50 AM
it seems some of Dave's previous anger is seeping into this thread, lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on December 09, 2011, 11:40:19 AM
Yeah, I know it's a video and it's probably a Megadeth video.  I asked you to be more descriptive.  Any reason to be rude and sarcastic about it?

U mad? Lighten up.

do not like to see this kind of behavior  :tdwn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on December 09, 2011, 11:45:17 AM
Um, right, so anyway......I went through my Megadeth collection here over the last few days and I have come to the conclusion that Megadeth definitely hit their creative peak with "Rust In Peace"

Nothing else they've done is so consistently solid from start to finish.

Some of the subsequent material is pretty good.  I love a lot of the stuff on "Countdown to Extinction" for example, but anyone else with me here?


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 09, 2011, 11:46:19 AM
Um, right, so anyway......I went through my Megadeth collection here over the last few days and I have come to the conclusion that Megadeth definitely hit their creative peak with "Rust In Peace"

Nothing else they've done is so consistently solid from start to finish.

Some of the subsequent material is pretty good.  I love a lot of the stuff on "Countdown to Extinction" for example, but anyone else with me here?
Agreed completely. Endgame comes damn close though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on December 09, 2011, 11:48:58 AM
I'm also a huge fan of UA...  but I do agree that Rust is one awesome unbeatable album!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mave on December 09, 2011, 11:49:28 AM
Excuse me?  I'm telling you how you can and cannot post.  It was to be considered a friendly reminder.  But since you apparently don't care to take instruction and want to turn this into a pissing contest, I'm fine with that too.  So consider this a warning.  Keep arguing with me, and we can take it further.

If you mean "We can take it further" as in be becoming banned, then I don't care. I only come on here for this thread anyway, lol.

And I've never done anything wrong. You need to upgrade or find a different type of forum where it actually posts the video instead of a stupid link.

You're just a nobody IRL. Stop abusing your mod powers.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on December 09, 2011, 11:57:13 AM
here comes the BAN HAMMER

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on December 09, 2011, 12:00:58 PM
lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on December 09, 2011, 12:12:49 PM
And there goes the Head Crusher-I mean Ban Hammer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on December 09, 2011, 12:22:09 PM
You're just a nobody IRL.

I'm pretty sure Bosk is like, a lawyer with a wife and kids....not exactly a nobody. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 09, 2011, 01:59:49 PM
Oh boy. This thread is going places.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 11, 2011, 12:55:10 AM
Mustaine is on stage with Metallica right now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 11, 2011, 07:37:27 AM
Mustaine is on stage with Metallica right now.
Ron McGovney even came back.

Fuck, is Metallica trying to be relevant again? They're starting to convince me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 11, 2011, 12:11:46 PM
They played Horsemen without Dave though, I bet Dave told them he wouldn't play it live with them so that all them disgusting hairy whiny snobby smelly bipolar hardcore Megadeth fans wouldn't feel offended.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 11, 2011, 12:35:33 PM
God, if they played Mechanix live, I would have shit myself 400 times.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 11, 2011, 02:22:18 PM
Same here man.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on December 15, 2011, 10:51:40 AM
Playing Mechanix live together?? I mean ... that would be ...... idk....  just not gonna happen...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on December 19, 2011, 09:53:19 AM
Mustaine playing Hangar 18 on Guitar Hero:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9785W53lQ
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jirpo on December 19, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
Nice! :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on January 05, 2012, 03:52:49 PM
My friend wanted to test out his camera / recording equipment and said he wanted to record me.

So, I chose Holy Wars! (just the beginning part of the song). It was really nonchalant and done in one take. I hope you enjoy! Thrash :metal

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150438951910880

I believe the link should work even though I'm not Facebook friends with a lot of you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on January 05, 2012, 09:34:53 PM
It does work.. and good job!


Mustaine playing Hangar 18 on Guitar Hero:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9785W53lQ
Awesome  :laugh: Mustaine :hearts:



Sudden Death is killing me btw.... Dat chorus.... damn.... 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WebRaider on January 05, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
My friend wanted to test out his camera / recording equipment and said he wanted to record me.

So, I chose Holy Wars! (just the beginning part of the song). It was really nonchalant and done in one take. I hope you enjoy! Thrash :metal

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150438951910880

I believe the link should work even though I'm not Facebook friends with a lot of you.


Very nice!  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on January 16, 2012, 02:13:58 AM
Nothing better to do... I make Megadeth lists. The first one is very controversial.

Albums:
1. Endgame 5/5
2. Youthanasia 4,5/5
3. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying? 4,5/5
4. Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good! 4,5/5
5. So Far, So Good... So What! 4,5/5
6. Rust in Peace 4,5/5
7. Cryptic Writings 4,5/5
-------------------------------
8. The System Has Failed 4+/5
-------------------------------
9. Risk 4-/5
10. The World Needs a Hero 3,5/5
11. Countdown to Extinction 3,5/5
12. United Abominations 3+/5

(TH1RT3EN:s place is still open. Probably not very high.)

Guitarists:
1. Dave Mustaine
2. Marty Friedman
3. Al Pitrelli
4. Chris Poland
5. Chris Broderick
6. Glen Drover
7. Jeff Young

Drummers:
1. Vinnie Colauta
2. Shawn Drover
3. Nick Menza
4. Jimmy DeGrasso
5. Gar Samuelson (R.I.P.)
6. Chuck Behler

Bassists:
1. Dave Ellefson
---------------------
The others

Making list of the best songs is a tough job, and even the list of 5/5-songs would be very long.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on February 06, 2012, 08:43:45 PM
Chris Broderick Rock Star Moments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=g9wVTX4dzl4)  :laugh: :heart
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on February 08, 2012, 03:18:48 PM
Dave Mustaine TV Appearance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot2AaebOa0s&feature=share) funny one  :laugh:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 08, 2012, 03:21:14 PM
Seeing the mighty Megs again tomorrow. They played Foreclosure of a Dream yesterday for the first time in at least 11 years.

Here's hoping for Set the World Afire. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on February 09, 2012, 01:31:03 AM
Wow.

Just checked some recent setlists. Fucking boring. They're playing more songs from Rust in Peace than TH1RT3EN. Though Poison Was the Cure is great, I wish for rotation.

And why the fuck they aren't playing New World Order?????? Doesn't Dave realize that it is one of his best songs he have done?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 09, 2012, 05:49:47 AM
If I get either of the last two setlists, I'll be getting 7 new songs, and 7 songs I've seen before. I'm pretty much okay with that since this is only my second time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 09, 2012, 08:40:32 AM
Dave Mustaine TV Appearance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot2AaebOa0s&feature=share) funny one  :laugh:

:lol  Did you see the Slash and Joey Romone ones too?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on February 09, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
Dave Mustaine TV Appearance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot2AaebOa0s&feature=share) funny one  :laugh:

:lol  Did you see the Slash and Joey Romone ones too?
:laugh:

no! checking out now!


edit: just watched the whole thing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=wvU926by0Lg)  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on February 29, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
Hey guys... look what I've discovered today...

but before you go and check it out, please be informed that I'm a sucker for Chuck.. I adore all his work with Death and Control Denied... so not accusing anyone of ripping off anything... this was just worth to point out....

I consider it two of my fave bands referencing each other...

now:

Control Denied - Expect The Unexpected (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anczqsRxgik)

00:23'

those riffs sound just like those of Hangar 18's...  just played backwards.... I guess... even the vocals are Mustane-ish (in the beginning only)

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on February 29, 2012, 12:45:05 PM
That's the song I sent you for your roulette lol.
I don't hear it, aside from the singer having a snarl, but he has much more of one than Mustaine.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on February 29, 2012, 01:43:06 PM
was it? I didn't even look at the song when I saw Control Denied....
but hey you made me feel so guilty now.. because when I turned the song down ( I guess I did) I was determined not to accept songs that I'm familiar with... but then I gave up... so hey.. let's get you back in the game....

send me a 2nd round song....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on March 18, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
Mustaine playing Hangar 18 on Guitar Hero:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9785W53lQ

:lol I loved that!
It's almost guaranteed if the show host is French they'd say really odd stupid things
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on March 23, 2012, 07:55:02 AM
Listened to Rust in Piece for the first time in a quite a while yesterday. Quite simply, one of the greatest metal albums ever recorded.

Then I watched a portion of Sonisphere 2011 that was on the Palladium channel, and Dave's vocals are downright cringe-worthy these days.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 23, 2012, 07:57:30 AM
He's made some drastic improvements lately. He was back to sounding reasonably good when I saw him with Motorhead on Gigantour this year. It could just be because they were touring on Rust in Peace for so damned long that it was really doing a number on his voice.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on March 23, 2012, 07:58:06 AM
Listened to Rust in Piece for the first time in a quite a while yesterday. Quite simply, one of the greatest metal albums ever recorded.

Then I watched a portion of Sonisphere 2011 that was on the Palladium channel, and Dave's vocals are downright cringe-worthy these days.

no  :(
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 23, 2012, 08:42:45 AM
IMO, if you are listening to Megadeth for the vocals, you've missed the point.  Vocals are not the reason for Megadeth's brilliance.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on March 23, 2012, 08:59:50 AM
that is right too... but seriously I love his singing!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on March 23, 2012, 09:04:38 AM
It might have been better in the '80s, but when I heard Public Enemy No.1, I had a cringeworthy reaction to how bad that song was :x
I don't know, Megadeth have never really synced for me, it's either his vocals or just the overall sound of their songs that I just don't like.  I mean yeah I like some classic songs, but even then....I feel like they shouldn't even be part of the Big 4, along with Slayer...bands like Exodus and Overkill seem to deserve that tag more.  But now a days everyone's doing great, especially Exodus and Overkill that it's nothing to fret over, as they're finally getting their due.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on March 23, 2012, 09:07:55 AM
that was painful to read!!!!


 :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 23, 2012, 09:08:44 AM
that is right too... but seriously I love his singing!

I do too.  But while I love it, I also acknowledge that it is not "good" singing by any stretch.  I mean, what's not to love about a singing style that sounds like Steve Erkl meets Cousin It meets James Hetfield meets Muttley with anger management issues?  Such an unlikely yet likeable style. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 23, 2012, 09:11:51 AM
...and for those who don't get the Muttley reference:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj3DBcpfMNQ

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on March 23, 2012, 09:12:01 AM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 23, 2012, 09:12:29 AM
Am I right, or am I right?  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on March 23, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
oh bloody hell yesss... I laughed so hard  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 23, 2012, 09:21:26 AM
that is right too... but seriously I love his singing!

I do too.  But while I love it, I also acknowledge that it is not "good" singing by any stretch.  I mean, what's not to love about a singing style that sounds like Steve Erkl meets Cousin It meets James Hetfield meets Muttley with anger management issues?  Such an unlikely yet likeable style. 

Pure genius.

I'm in trouble for the things I haven't got to yet
I'm chomping at the bit and my palms are getting wet

RASSUM FRASSUM!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on March 23, 2012, 09:23:45 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 23, 2012, 11:16:28 AM
Pure genius.

I was aiming for a POTY nomination, but I guess "pure genius" is okay.  :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 23, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
Truly POTY-worthy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MasterShakezula on May 10, 2012, 02:36:06 PM
Is it just me or is Youthanasia a good damn album?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on May 10, 2012, 02:37:15 PM
I AM POLARIS .


DOM DOM DIDDY, DOM DOM DIDDY, DUH DUH, DUH DUH, DUH DUH, DUH DUH (Drum intro)


 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 10, 2012, 03:17:27 PM
Is it just me or is Youthanasia a good damn album?

It is not just you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2012, 04:05:07 PM
Is it just me or is Youthanasia a good damn album?

It is not just you.

Wrong, it's a damn fine album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 10, 2012, 04:52:11 PM
???  I know.  Hence my post agreeing with him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on May 10, 2012, 05:07:42 PM
Youthanasia features Dave's best vocals.

I'm pretty sure I've said that 3 or 4 times in this thread already. But since we're on the subject, it's worth repeating.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 10, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
I think it ties with The System Has Failed in my favorites.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 10, 2012, 10:40:43 PM
Youthanasia features Dave's best vocals.

THIS!!!

Cryptic Writings has almost as good vocals.

And Youthanasia is a fine album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 10, 2012, 11:55:10 PM
It's a damn killer album.... all the songs are so damn good.... and Black Curtains.... is... damn!!!!

   
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 11, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
Am I dreaming?
My heart pounds my chest
Held for ransom
In a spider's web
Suffocating
No one hears my calls
Never ending
'Till the black curtains fall

And those solos are sooo great!

Addicted to Chaos doesn't get enough love.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 11, 2012, 12:27:30 AM
 :2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 11, 2012, 08:36:37 AM
Youthanasia is indeed a great album. I still say Risk has Dave's best vocals, but Youth has quite a few great ones, including Addicted to Chaos and Elysian Fields.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2012, 08:50:03 AM
and Black Curtains.... is...

Yup.  My favorite on the album.  Aside from me, you are the only other person I have seen go out of their way to praise that song.  Cookie for you!  :cookie:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on May 11, 2012, 09:27:51 AM
Youthanasia features Dave's best vocals.

I'm pretty sure I've said that 3 or 4 times in this thread already. But since we're on the subject, it's worth repeating.
It does. Definitely top-5 Megadeth album for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ZKX-2099 on May 11, 2012, 10:09:34 AM
Holy Wars still kicks my ass like few others do.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 11, 2012, 10:41:58 AM
and Black Curtains.... is...

Yup.  My favorite on the album.  Aside from me, you are the only other person I have seen go out of their way to praise that song.  Cookie for you!  :cookie:

YUMMMMMM  :laugh:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 17, 2012, 11:29:27 AM
I don't mean to make anyone jealous but
Finally, my Cyber Army Ultimate Solider Megapack arrived!!!!....me gusta now!  :D Oh, the unplugged CDs!

Here is a couple of pictures of me with my shiny new toys!!  :biggrin:


(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/Bands/ankaya-20120517-00472.jpg)

(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/Bands/ankaya-20120517-00468.jpg)

(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/Bands/ankaya-20120517-00470.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: darkshade on May 17, 2012, 11:34:31 AM
After listening to a couple of Megadeth songs the other night drinking some beers, I sort of got back into them. I listened to Endgame (2009) and whoa, that album is a thrash metal roller coaster ride. I'd put that album just under Rust in Peace, and Peace Sells.
Speaking of the latter, I listened to that as well, and some of the riffs just groove on that one; I forgot how much I used to like this band.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 18, 2012, 03:26:26 AM
After listening to a couple of Megadeth songs the other night drinking some beers, I sort of got back into them. I listened to Endgame (2009) and whoa, that album is a thrash metal roller coaster ride. I'd put that album just under Rust in Peace, and Peace Sells.
Speaking of the latter, I listened to that as well, and some of the riffs just groove on that one; I forgot how much I used to like this band.

Endgame is my favourite Megadeth album. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying is almost as good, but has some overplayed songs.

But Good Mourning/Black Friday and Bad Omen are probably the two best Megadeth songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on May 18, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
I need to buy some Megadeth albums, and I definitely want Rust In Peace.


I do not like the remastered version at all, though it is alot cheaper than the original. WHAT SHOULD I DO?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 19, 2012, 12:49:59 PM
Oh Nem, awesome  :metal.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 19, 2012, 11:50:54 PM
Oh Nem, awesome  :metal.

oh .. finally someone ..  thanks hun  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 20, 2012, 02:43:15 AM
Oh Nem, awesome  :metal.

oh .. finally someone ..  thanks hun  :metal

I didn't want you to feel abandoned. Are the other guys jealous or what?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 20, 2012, 03:09:24 AM
I'm used to being ignored by many  :laugh:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: snapple on May 20, 2012, 08:51:50 PM
I listened to Cryptic Writings the other day. Such a good decision. I love that album
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on May 20, 2012, 08:53:10 PM
I totally didn't see that Nem. That's awesome! :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 20, 2012, 11:47:23 PM
 :-*
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 21, 2012, 01:15:33 AM
I'm used to being ignored by many  :laugh:

I'll be there for you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 21, 2012, 01:29:46 AM
I'm used to being ignored by many  :laugh:

I'll be there for you.

d'aww :hug:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 21, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
I'm used to being ignored by many  :laugh:

I'll be there for you.

d'aww :hug:

:hug:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on May 21, 2012, 08:12:33 AM
I'm used to being ignored by many  :laugh:

I'll be there for you.

d'aww :hug:

:hug:

:hug:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 21, 2012, 08:18:04 AM
I'm used to being ignored by many  :laugh:

I'll be there for you.

d'aww :hug:

:hug:

:hug:

lol

:hug:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on May 21, 2012, 08:20:43 AM
 :flame::hug:


If we die, at least I'm with you..
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on May 21, 2012, 08:21:40 AM
Now I understand why people tend to ignore me...lol....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on May 21, 2012, 08:22:22 AM
Because they're scared to talk to you. That's it. I'm not however.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2012, 09:31:55 AM
After listening to a couple of Megadeth songs the other night drinking some beers, I sort of got back into them. I listened to Endgame (2009) and whoa, that album is a thrash metal roller coaster ride. I'd put that album just under Rust in Peace, and Peace Sells.
Speaking of the latter, I listened to that as well, and some of the riffs just groove on that one; I forgot how much I used to like this band.Gv
Endgame is outstanding. My #3 Megadeth album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on June 28, 2012, 08:58:12 AM
After listening to a couple of Megadeth songs the other night drinking some beers, I sort of got back into them. I listened to Endgame (2009) and whoa, that album is a thrash metal roller coaster ride. I'd put that album just under Rust in Peace, and Peace Sells.
Speaking of the latter, I listened to that as well, and some of the riffs just groove on that one; I forgot how much I used to like this band.Gv
Endgame is outstanding. My #3 Megadeth album.

Yes, I agree, Endgame is amazing. I'm obviously a huge Megadeth fan (hence the username), I have to say Endgame really grew on me. It's become my #3 Megadeth album as well. I went through a phase for a few months where it was one of the only things I listened to... thankfully I didn't kill it for myself.  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on June 28, 2012, 09:05:32 AM
Saw them last week...  first row... still couldn't pull myself together... *sigh*....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 28, 2012, 09:26:41 AM
I downloaded Rust in Peace Live at the Palladium in Hollywood.  Awesome live album!  :2metal:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on June 28, 2012, 10:51:06 AM
Endgame is indeed amazing, though I'd put in 4th place (after CtE, RiP and PS). Still, a very good album, though I must say that I enjoy Th1rt3en nearly as much. The title track is probably my favourite Megadeth song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on July 29, 2012, 09:10:37 PM
A proshot I wasn't aware of that must have surfaced in the last couple of years, Rust in Peace Tour 1990 in Detroit (https://youtu.be/dpjRvlBWwQM). My favorite line-up and a kick ass set list.
Make sure you check out Wake Up Dead (opening song) and this very cool band introduction followed by Anarchy in the U.K (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpjRvlBWwQM&feature=player_detailpage#t=2262s). So good  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: rumborak on August 16, 2012, 08:46:04 AM
Dave Mustaine tells us Obama staged the Wisconsin shooting to implement gun bans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyDmoCDgqBk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I am quite happy I was never a big fan of Megaderp, because this would seriously mar my enjoyment of it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on August 16, 2012, 09:11:15 AM
Does he really believe that stuff or is he just throwing it out there? Dave's always been weird with things like that...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: rumborak on August 16, 2012, 09:27:45 AM
I think it's safe to assume he believes that. Not so long ago he said something similar, right?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jamariquay on August 16, 2012, 09:35:20 AM
I think he also said he was supporting Rick Santorum in the Republican primary, because he seemed like a reasonable fellow.


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on August 16, 2012, 11:36:45 AM
As someone on r/metal put it: Dave Mustaine saying something stupid isn't news. It's news when he doesn't say something stupid.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sketchy on August 16, 2012, 11:42:06 AM
I think it's probably safe to say Planet Mustaine is a couple of megaparsecs removed from our solar system sometimes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on August 16, 2012, 11:57:46 AM
Yeah Mustaine's got some Ted Nugent infection the last few years, I miss anarchist Dave so much.
I wouldn't go as far as regretting being a Megadeth fan for this heh, the man was a great musician for much longer than he was a wack job.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on August 16, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
(https://safayyemane.blogg.se/images/2010/dave-mustaine-totally-looks-like-a-cocker-spaniel1_89491274.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sketchy on August 16, 2012, 12:16:28 PM
Lol, Looking at my cocker spaniel, I totally see the resemblance, but I think someone got those names the wrong way round.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on August 17, 2012, 12:32:14 PM
Dave Mustaine tells us Obama staged the Wisconsin shooting to implement gun bans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyDmoCDgqBk&feature=youtube_gdata_player


(https://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGNFkvcKGPz4Df3Xs_6IrbULSVRFxcrmlfvl-lyHc0_uGrwY0O)

Sorry Dave, I still love you. Even though you defended Bush when Al Jourgensen did the right thing and ranted him hard.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 17, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/emoticons/crusher_sigh.gif)


He makes Ted Nugent look sane
(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/images/smilies/tarddance.gif)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on September 25, 2012, 11:19:30 AM
(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/dave.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 25, 2012, 11:33:00 AM
Saw that on Facebook today  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on September 25, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
yeah me too... LMAO  :lol :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on September 26, 2012, 02:29:14 AM
Who's that guy on the left? Vladimir Putin?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DebraKadabra on September 26, 2012, 02:33:38 AM
Yep. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on September 26, 2012, 02:42:35 AM
Cool  :lol.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2012, 05:38:03 AM
One of the greatest things I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on September 26, 2012, 10:15:04 AM
I don't get why people say well so and so said this or that, so I'll enjoy their music less.

What Dave rambles about in interviews and such has no input on whether I enjoy his music any more or any less..this goes for any musician.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on September 26, 2012, 10:21:52 AM
(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/dave.jpg)

That explains his anti-American lyrics.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on September 26, 2012, 10:40:36 AM
OMG  :lol United Abominations  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on September 26, 2012, 10:46:52 AM
Wanderlust is actually the song I'd use as the "theme song" of my life.


we all have skeletons......
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on September 27, 2012, 01:33:47 AM
(https://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu51/senemn/dave.jpg)

That explains his anti-American lyrics.

And they are equally liberal  :lol.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 25, 2012, 05:27:00 PM
So yeah, I've decided I'm going to listen through Megadeth's discography over the next few weeks/months, and I think it'd be cool if we made a fun discussion group out of it like the Opeth thread has been doing. So yeah, post rankings, talk about it, and make general merriment.

KIMB ranking:
1. Looking Down the Cross
2. Killing is My Business...And Business is Good!
3. The Skull Beneath the Skin
4. Mechanix
5. Last Rites/Loved to Death
6. Rattlehead
7. Chosen Ones
8. These Boots (the original. The censored version should be killed with fire)

Damn, I forgot how much I love this album. The original's production is raw as fuck, but I always wrote it off as adding to the intensity. Of course, I listened to the remaster a few days later, and it's stunning how much better the album is with cleaner production. The bass parts especially are really cool, and they cut through quite well on the remaster. Looking Down the Cross remains one of my favorite Megadeth songs. It covers so much ground, and it's even more impressive that Mustaine was able to write a song like that so early in his career. Mechanix still absolutely shits all over the Metallica version (the "FUCK YEAH" in the end chorus is so full of win). Overall, I wish this album got more recognition among fans. It seems like Peace Sells and Rust in Peace get all the love.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 25, 2012, 05:47:35 PM
KIMB

Didn't really care for it, but I'll join in the discussion anyway, since I'm definitely a fan of the later stuff and want to contribute.

Of course, I listened to the remaster a few days later, and it's stunning how much better the album is with cleaner production.

Maybe I should check out the remaster.  Might change my opinion of the album as a whole.

...it's even more impressive that Mustaine was able to write a song like that so early in his career.

???  Why do you feel that way?  A lot of the stuff he helped write for/with Metallica before leaving was AMAZING. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2012, 05:50:32 PM
Been a while with this one. I actually prefer the Dudes version of These Boots. Was a bit more polished. Was a great song live.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 25, 2012, 07:56:52 PM
...it's even more impressive that Mustaine was able to write a song like that so early in his career.

???  Why do you feel that way?  A lot of the stuff he helped write for/with Metallica before leaving was AMAZING.
Because it's miles beyond anything he ever wrote up to that point. Even the stuff he wrote with Metallica was still relatively pedestrian in comparison. It never changed moods or did much to develop an interesting atmosphere.

And yeah, definitely get on that remaster. It's phenomenal aside from the edited These Boots.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 25, 2012, 08:30:03 PM
Looking Down the Cross and Last Rites/Loved to Deth are both top Megadeth songs IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on October 26, 2012, 10:51:25 AM
I haven't listened to KIMB in a while, but LDtC is awesome from beginning to end, Top 5 Megadeth song for sure. :metal

I'll post the ranking after a relisten, though that'll be next weekend at the earliest, because I don't have it on my iPod at the moment and I'm away from both my computer and my CD rack.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on October 26, 2012, 12:46:05 PM
Rattle your GOD damn head   
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on October 26, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
I love their debut, it's so raw and angry, yet mature. And thankfully it's not too long.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on October 28, 2012, 02:05:01 PM
Chosen Ones has SUCH a happy as fuck vibe to it. dat riff.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: r0cken on October 29, 2012, 02:20:09 AM
I think Metallica announced not long ago that they are beginning to work on a new album. So I immediately thought that Dave's probably gonna announce something similar very soon. As long as there is Metallica, Dave's not going to hang it up...
I was right (from his facebook, yesterday):

Quote
Droogies,
I wanted to check in with you as I get ready to start tracking my 14 Megadeth record.

 /...blah, blah... Going on about surgery and other stuff... Very long post.

One last thing, I don't generally watch video of myself, unless we are mixing or editing something, and over the last few months I had to; for one reason or another. I am really embarrassed by how much I swear or swore on stage and in interviews. I'm not a prude, but I am sorry for my language and some of the offensive words I chose to say. We all have said stuff we regret, and while I don't "regret it" I do feel that you deserve better from me.

Here's to a great fu...., erm, a great flipping new record and tour!

Dave Mustaine

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on October 29, 2012, 03:38:29 AM
I can't wait for the flipping new record!  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on January 03, 2013, 06:59:38 PM
Mustaine is out of control wicked lately (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/dave-mustaine-mens-wearhouse_n_2403086.html)  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: r0cken on January 04, 2013, 03:03:09 AM
If Mustaine was any less crazy, Megadeth wouldn't be so awesome. Loved his autobiography by the way, fascinating read.
And yeah, can't wait for the new album as well.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2013, 04:09:10 AM
Man, I still didn't dig 13 and really don't have much interest in this new one either.  :(
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on January 04, 2013, 04:50:32 AM
The album? Understandable. The song? Fucking hell that's awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 04, 2013, 09:25:06 AM
I don't look at 13 as a viable statement, honestly. It had so many reworked B-sides and stuff that it absolutely screamed that it was simply a "get me the fuck off of this label" album rather than the next Megadeth album. I'm sure the next one will be the best they've done in years. They've gotten rid of all the crappy stuff that's been lying around, and the Daves will get back to doing what they do best. Chris will shred his balls off, and Shawn has been getting better with every album.

Of course, if I'm wrong and 13 was actually supposed to be a good album, I'm a little scared that Dave's tapped out. Some of those songs REALLY suck.  :lol We the People and 13 are really the only "new" songs that I enjoyed. New World Order is still the best song the band's ever made, but I loved it as a B-side. Hammered into the middle of a lackluster album kind of killed it. I still can't believe they added to Millennium of the Blind, and doing Black Swan again after literally everyone's already heard it was the epitome of laziness to me. At least when they put Bodies on Endgame nobody had heard anything other than a 30 second snippet.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on January 04, 2013, 09:52:01 AM
I didn't even know Bodies had been available before.

Anyway, I probably wouldn't have a problem with all the demos 'cause I haven't listened to a lot of them, if only they were done well. I mean, 13 is the only song that I listen to anymore, and sometimes PE#1 and NWO, even though I had no idea at first that so many were reworked demos, but even if they were original songs, they aren't very good original songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 04, 2013, 11:49:35 AM
New World Order is fucking amazing. Bodies was originally predicted to be on the "special edition" that Roadrunner always used to release of their new albums as "The Bodies Left Behind." When that never surfaced, we assumed it was gone forever. Black Swan was on some other version of the album, but I can't remember which. Hell, maybe it was a pre-order bonus. But either way, it was a finished song that people had grown to appreciate on its own.

I guess my whole thought on the matter is, it's cool to rework older material for your new album, but when it's basically the same song with no changes, and worse yet it's something we've already heard, it turns into laziness.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on January 04, 2013, 12:07:39 PM
Well, as I said I don't know many of the demos but Black Swan was actually reworked (if for the better or not, that can be discussed), so at least there, something actually happened. The original was a bonus track on UA, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bZQlN-u3f4

Anyway, yes, NWO is great, but 13 remains my favourite from the album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hayden on February 12, 2013, 08:05:45 AM
Title and record label announced! (https://blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=186147)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on February 12, 2013, 08:19:50 AM
... What the fuck did Dave smoke to come up with such a title.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 12, 2013, 08:36:23 AM
... What the fuck did Dave smoke to come up with such a title.
Nah, I think it's a fine title. Better that 13 with inverted letters and numbers.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hayden on February 12, 2013, 08:36:38 AM
Quote from: Dictionary.com
su·per·col·lid·er [soo-per-kuh-lahy-der]
noun Physics.
a very large colliding-beam machine in which superconducting magnets create millions of megavolts of energy.

Eh, could be worse.

Nah, I think it's a fine title. Better that 13 with inverted letters and numbers.

Hey, he could still change his mind and go with 'Super Coll1d4r'.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on February 12, 2013, 08:41:32 AM
Well, Thirteen (<- written like that) is actually not that bad. TH1RT3EN is pretty pathetic, you're right, but just because the previous one sucked doesn't mean this one should either, should it?

Anyway, I don't really care at this point. Cases were an album title somehow makes my appreciation of an album suffer are few and far between, I'd almost say that they don't exist, so if the music is good, you won't hear me complaining. I hope it's a step up from Thirteen, though, which reached extremely high highs (the title track, for instance), it also contains some of Megadeth's all-time lows.

Definitely more excited for this than for the new Metallica though! :biggrin:

@Hayden: I suppose, but to me it seems a little like "Let's give this whole thing a really epic name! ololol". Worse, it doesn't sound like Megadeth to me, but like, I don't know, a space-power-metal band that writes songs about intergalactic battles using antimatter beams or something like that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on February 13, 2013, 01:36:16 AM
... What the fuck did Dave smoke to come up with such a title.
Nah, I think it's a fine title. Better that 13 with inverted letters and numbers.

+1

I'm not really interested about the new album. Not buying it the day it's released.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2013, 03:53:56 AM
I lost interest with Megadeth since the last two disappointing albums.  I'll check this one though, you never know what the boys may dish up.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Gadough on February 13, 2013, 03:57:11 AM
Hey, he could still change his mind and go with 'Super Coll1d4r'.

*twitch*

Really, ANY title will seem like an improvement over the last. I'm fine with this one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2013, 04:11:59 AM
Rush's Superconductor comes to mind when I think about it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on February 13, 2013, 05:25:05 AM
I lost interest with Megadeth since the last two disappointing albums.

I can understand that sentiment with Thirteen, but why do you consider Endgame to be disappointing?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 13, 2013, 12:38:44 PM
Endgame is fucking amazing. Best Megadeth album since Rust in Peace, easily.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 13, 2013, 12:55:17 PM
This is honestly the first time I ever recall anyone saying they had a problem with the last album title.  I quite liked it, actually.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: JRundquist on February 13, 2013, 01:18:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tNMGev1t9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tNMGev1t9M)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
I lost interest with Megadeth since the last two disappointing albums.

I can understand that sentiment with Thirteen, but why do you consider Endgame to be disappointing?

I don't know, I just do, it just doesn't excite me or interest me at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on February 13, 2013, 01:31:23 PM
Endgame is fucking amazing. Best Megadeth album since Rust in Peace, easily.

I wouldn't go that far, because Youthanasia and Countdown to Extinction are still a notch above it, but you're right that it's an amazing album. It also contains some of my favourite Megadeth songs, like 44 Minutes or The Right to Go Insane.

JRundquist: Exactly that's my problem with the title. It's so hard for me to take seriously.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 13, 2013, 04:52:07 PM
Endgame is fucking amazing. Best Megadeth album since Rust in Peace, easily.
I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on February 13, 2013, 08:57:09 PM
Endgame is fucking amazing. Best Megadeth album since Rust in Peace, easily.
I agree 100%.

I agree as well. I like every song on the album and the only other Megadeth albums that I can really say that about are RIP, Peace Sells and KIMB. Countdown is awesome but there are a few weaker tracks on it imo.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on February 14, 2013, 03:35:26 AM
Endgame is the best Megadeth album since Risk.

Yes, I like Risk. From on I'll Be There, it's perfect.

My top 5 albums from Megadeth:
1.Youthanasia
2.Cryptic Writings
3.Risk
4.Endgame
5.Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 14, 2013, 04:46:31 AM
Sure, I'll give that a shot:

1. Countdown to extinction
2. Killing is my business... and business is good
3. Cryptic writings
4. Rust in peace
5. The System has failed
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 14, 2013, 05:59:47 AM
1. Rust in Peace
2. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
3. So Far, So Good, So What!
4. Killing is My Business...And Business is Good!
5. Endgame

I like thrash.  :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on February 14, 2013, 09:05:47 AM
My top 5...

1. Rust In Peace
2. Peace Sells
3. KIMB...
4. Endgame
5. Countdown

Really tough decision to give Countdown the nod over SFSGSW, but Countdown has a few deal breaker tracks like Ashes In Your Mouth, This Was My Life. Ashes is easily a top 10 Megadeth song for me.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 14, 2013, 09:59:50 AM
Endgame is the best Megadeth album since Risk.

Yes, I like Risk. From on I'll Be There, it's perfect.

My top 5 albums from Megadeth:
1.Youthanasia
2.Cryptic Writings
3.Risk
4.Endgame
5.Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?

Wow.  I thought I was the only one on the planet who would put Risk in the top 5.  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 14, 2013, 10:21:44 AM
Endgame is the best Megadeth album since Risk.

Yes, I like Risk. From on I'll Be There, it's perfect.

My top 5 albums from Megadeth:
1.Youthanasia
2.Cryptic Writings
3.Risk
4.Endgame
5.Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?

Wow.  I thought I was the only one on the planet who would put Risk in the top 5.  :tup

Trust me, you are! Ruba is just doing some Admin ass kissing!
 ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on February 14, 2013, 11:28:02 AM
Rankings, eh? Alright, I'll play.

1. Rust in Peace
2. Countdown to Extinction
3. Youthanasia
4. Endgame
5. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying? / Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 14, 2013, 06:26:33 PM
1. Peace Sells...
2. Rust In Peace
3. Youthanasia
4. The System Has Failed
5. Killing Is My Business...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ZKX-2099 on February 15, 2013, 04:34:08 AM
Head Crusher, man... mother fucking Head Crusher.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on February 16, 2013, 05:01:57 AM
Endgame is the best Megadeth album since Risk.

Yes, I like Risk. From on I'll Be There, it's perfect.

My top 5 albums from Megadeth:
1.Youthanasia
2.Cryptic Writings
3.Risk
4.Endgame
5.Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?

Wow.  I thought I was the only one on the planet who would put Risk in the top 5.  :tup

Trust me, you are! Ruba is just doing some Admin ass kissing!
 ;D

 :lol.

I didn't know that bosk is a Risk fan too. But cool to see some love. Dave said, that if the album had been put out under a different, many people would have loved it.

I just don't really like thrash outside Sepultura. There are good songs there and there, but those mad Brazilians are the only ones who have been able to put out albums that have great songs overall.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: r0cken on February 17, 2013, 12:26:55 AM
Having a hard time to put them in any kind of order... So no ranking really, just my top five.

So Far So Good
Cryptic Writings
The system Has Failed
Countdown to Extinction
Peace Sells

PS, I want Dave to get a new lineup. He can keep Ellefson, but the guitar work on the last few albums is plain boring. Nobody can fill Marty Friedman's shoes anyway, so he should at least entertain us with a fresh lineup on every album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on February 17, 2013, 02:31:02 AM
A new album! Feels like we had a new Megadeth album a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2013, 06:00:18 AM
PS, I want Dave to get a new lineup. He can keep Ellefson, but the guitar work on the last few albums is plain boring. Nobody can fill Marty Friedman's shoes anyway, so he should at least entertain us with a fresh lineup on every album.

I agree.  Chris is technically brilliant, but I just find his lead playing boring, uninspirational and without personality.  Loved Drover but Chris joining I think is a big reason why I didn't dig the last two.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on February 17, 2013, 06:45:13 AM
PS, I want Dave to get a new lineup. He can keep Ellefson, but the guitar work on the last few albums is plain boring. Nobody can fill Marty Friedman's shoes anyway, so he should at least entertain us with a fresh lineup on every album.

I agree.  Chris is technically brilliant, but I just find his lead playing boring, uninspirational and without personality.

Yup, that's what I think too.

I love Al Pitrelli's work on TWNAH, I would have liked to keep him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cable on March 26, 2013, 07:04:09 PM
Not sure how new or old the show was, but I caught the Guitar Center Sessions with them at parents over the past weekend.

Not actively being into them anymore, seeing the program reminded me how much I like "Angry Again".
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on March 27, 2013, 06:54:07 AM
Did I really just see 2 lists that didn't have Rust in Piece as a Top 5 Megadeth album? I'm speechless.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on March 27, 2013, 07:19:40 AM
Did I really just see 2 lists that didn't have Rust in Piece as a Top 5 Megadeth album? I'm speechless.
agreed. RIP is easily in my top 5 albums of all time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: drummerThatShreds87 on March 27, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
surprised they signed with another label at this stage in the game. interesting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 06, 2013, 07:13:43 AM
I know, kinda senseless post, but I just wanted to say that Cryptic Writings is an awesome album. I love every song except for Sin, and maybe even that one will grow on me even more.
CW is now #2 on my Megadeth list behind RIP  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 06, 2013, 08:25:05 AM
CW is dead last on my list. It's still a decent album, but a lot of the songs don't have that spark that a good Megadeth song has. Trust and She-Wolf are fantastic though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on April 06, 2013, 08:29:35 AM
It's #3 on my list, such a catchy album.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 06, 2013, 09:17:06 AM
CURSE THE FALLING RAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIN!!
THE VORTEX OF PAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINN!!!!

oh fuck, I love it. Dat song. Dat whole album  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on April 06, 2013, 09:39:14 AM
Did I really just see 2 lists that didn't have Rust in Piece as a Top 5 Megadeth album? I'm speechless.

You can add me.   I think RIP is by FAR the single most overrated Megadeth album (although CtE is right up there as well).

To tell you the truth, I used to absolutely LOVE Megadeth, but when RIP first came out I found it very disappointing (Holy Wars is the greatest song Dave ever wrote, and could be in the top 5 greatest metal songs of all time...but the album as a whole is very hit and miss to me).    The first three albums are all superior to both RIP and CtE (which was terrible beyond 2 or 3 tracks).    I just lost interest in Megadeth after that. 

I heard a bit of Youthanasia and thought it was a big improvement over CtE.     Cryptic Writings came out while I was working in a record store, and as it played on the in store, it really grew on me....so I really like that one (even though there were one or two duds). 

I havn't heard the last few albums, but I will say that I never got the hate for The World Needs a Hero.   I heard "1000 Times Goodbye" on internet radio, and it really struck a chord with me.  (I was in a really bad relationship at the time)  I picked up the album and I liked it better than *anything* since RIP.    I don't know why I didn't pick up any album since then.   Maybe I need to do some catch up.

My top 5 based on the albums I've heard:

1. So Far So Good, So What
2. Killing Is My Business...and Business is Good
3. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying
4. The World Needs a Hero
5. Cryptic Writings

EDIT:   It seems weird.   TWNAH was 12 years ago...doesn't seem that long.   In that time, Dave's done 5 albums I've never heard.   I should probably at least pick up The System Has Failed and pick up where I left off. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on April 06, 2013, 09:45:38 AM
Revised rankings!

1. Rust in Piece
2. Youthanasia
3. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying!
4. Endgame
5. The World Needs A Hero
6. Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!
7. Countdown to Extinction
8. So Far, So Good... So What!
9. The System Has Failed
10. United Abominations
11. Cryptic Writings
12. Th1rt3en
13. Risk

CtE has dropped, hard. The rest is kinda the same.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 06, 2013, 10:13:15 AM
Rankings? Alright:
1. RIP
2. CW
3. CTE
4. Youthanasia
5. Endgame
6. PSBWB
7. TSHF
8. UA
9. SFSGSW
10. KIMB
11. 13
12. Risk
13. TWNAH
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on April 06, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
I hadn't listened to Risk in full in several years so I listened to both the Remaster and original last night.  I usually only listen to the originals of Insomnia, Prince of Darkness, Breadline, I'll Be There, Ecstasy, and both Times. Well, those are still the best songs, but the others aren't TOO bad. The Doctor is Calling is OK, while Wanderlust, which sounds like a Bon Jovi song is kinda meh, and Seven isn't too good at all. The only good change Dave made for the remaster was extending I'll Be There. I always liked the "I see the light in you" part at the end and I'm glad it's much more present in the mix. Not sure why he added that fart noise before Breadline though. Cutting off the intro Insomnia was weird too as it was pretty cool. Crush 'Em. Um, well, back in the day I liked it, but I was a huge wrestling and Goldberg fan. Today it's pretty damn lame. As a whole, Risk is pretty good, but not something I'd listen to all the time, besides my select favorites from the album.

Rankings? Maybe next time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scard on April 06, 2013, 11:00:51 AM
Peace Sells
Rust in Peace
Countdown to Extinction
So Far So Good So What?
Youthanasia
Endgame
Cryptic Writings
The World Needs a Hero
Thirteen
Killing is My Business
The System Has Failed
United Abominations
Risk
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 06, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
So, the singer from Disturbed is going to be co-writing and doing guest vocals on one of the songs from the new album. Can't say I'm excited at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on April 06, 2013, 04:57:15 PM
He's a great singer, what's the beef?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 06, 2013, 04:58:11 PM
Aside from the fact that he's actually a terrible singer, nothing I guess.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on April 06, 2013, 06:46:48 PM
And Mustaine is a great singer?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 06, 2013, 07:15:55 PM
And Mustaine is a great singer?
Never said that, but I'd rather have one subpar singer on an album than two.  :P Besides, Mustaine's vocals suit Megadeth well. Hell, for what it's worth, Disturbed's vocals fit their overall shittiness quite well. The problem is I don't see Disturbed vocals fitting very well with Megadeth at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on April 06, 2013, 07:57:44 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on April 08, 2013, 01:31:20 AM
I know, kinda senseless post, but I just wanted to say that Cryptic Writings is an awesome album. I love every song except for Sin, and maybe even that one will grow on me even more.
CW is now #2 on my Megadeth list behind RIP  :metal

Sin is awesome. Can't decide though which one is better, it or more stripped-down demo Evil That's Within.

CW is my number two also, so great  :tup.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 08, 2013, 04:24:18 AM
I like Disturbed and Draiman, great singer, should be good.

And Mustaine is a great singer?
Never said that, but I'd rather have one subpar singer on an album than two.  :P Besides, Mustaine's vocals suit Megadeth well. Hell, for what it's worth, Disturbed's vocals fit their overall shittiness quite well. The problem is I don't see Disturbed vocals fitting very well with Megadeth at all.

This is a silly statement.  Plus how can you say it's not going to work when you have no idea what the song sounds like?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 08, 2013, 09:12:54 AM
Because Disturbed lol ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on April 09, 2013, 01:51:20 AM
I like Disturbed and Draiman, great singer, should be good.
this

however... Draiman has a very distinctive voice.. he sings one note and I hear nothing but Disturbed...
Here's an example: new Device album ("Dance In The Rain" on Super Collider.)

Well I have to say though, this is not the best example as Device's sound is very similar to Disturbed... that's probably why they wanted Draiman on board... you know... taking advantage of the hiatus Disturbed have been taking....

But still... I have reservations....

And....  Mustaine is a great singer....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 09, 2013, 06:55:51 AM
I guess I take more concern with the idea that Draiman is writing, because Disturbed is some of the most generic shit I've ever heard (They're basically the AC/DC of nu-metal if you ask me), but maybe being around a band that can actually write a good song will spur him into contributing something decent. I hold out very little hope though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 09, 2013, 07:34:53 AM
(They're basically the AC/DC of nu-metal if you ask me)
Good comparison.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on April 09, 2013, 07:42:01 AM
I had no idea they were that good, I better check them out.  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 09, 2013, 08:05:01 AM
Honestly, the only problem I have with Disturbed (and it's a pretty huge one), is that if you've heard one Distrubed song, you've basically heard them all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: adace on April 10, 2013, 09:40:06 PM
Well this is pretty cool.
https://megadethgame.com/ (https://megadethgame.com/)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 10, 2013, 10:51:53 PM
Cool artwork, although I expected something less predictable. Song seems to be pretty good  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on April 10, 2013, 11:09:55 PM
Well this is pretty cool.
https://megadethgame.com/ (https://megadethgame.com/)

Thanks for posting that, the artwork is awesome imo  :metal Song sounds sick as well, can't wait to hear the album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 11, 2013, 04:11:40 AM
Hmm...don't really like the cover to be honest, and the clip didn't seem anything special.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 11, 2013, 05:09:49 AM
Gonna do a survivor, possibly Sabbath or Megadeth, please go and vote.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36576.0
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 11, 2013, 05:15:27 AM
Gonna do a survivor, possibly Sabbath or Megadeth, please go and vote.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36576.0
Go Megadeth !!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on April 11, 2013, 05:20:19 AM
Well this is pretty cool.
https://megadethgame.com/ (https://megadethgame.com/)

D or drop D tuning!

King Nothing?

Well, it sounded good. But where's Vic? Is he in the cover at all?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 11, 2013, 05:31:59 AM
You can see Vic's face in the middle of the circle if you look closely.

The King Nothing reference immediately stood out for me as well ;D

As far as I know they already played the whole CTE anniversary tour in D, so we could have expected it. I think there were some Ds in the studio videos too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 11, 2013, 05:40:05 AM
Song sounded pretty cool. I wish it was more than a 30 second snippet though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on April 11, 2013, 12:11:12 PM
Wow, what a colorful cover, I'm really enjoying it. The clip sounded decent.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 14, 2013, 10:47:14 PM
Megadeth survivor starting tonight, get ready.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on April 14, 2013, 11:12:26 PM
Megadeth survivor starting tonight, get ready.

 :metal  :metal  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 14, 2013, 11:37:29 PM
Megadeth survivor starting tonight, get ready.
Great decision  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 15, 2013, 04:13:01 AM
It begins

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36625.0
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 18, 2013, 11:58:56 PM
Dave wants us to follow him on Instagram :rollin

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIMSc9lCMAAP6VN.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on April 19, 2013, 09:46:51 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  :heart


pre-ordered the album  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 19, 2013, 11:39:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIQZhAQCMAADv4h.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 20, 2013, 08:13:17 AM
So the title track will be released as a single on Monday: www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CEQOSU6

The artwork is really cool:
(https://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz6/DethKing502/supercollidersinglec.png)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on April 20, 2013, 11:53:03 AM
 :heart
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on April 20, 2013, 12:23:30 PM
I actually like that artwork better than the real one. I may up just using this one in my iTunes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 20, 2013, 02:12:35 PM
That's really cool.

Looks like some dingy, derelict space station. :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on April 20, 2013, 03:52:22 PM
It kinda looks like the thingy on the album cover, after it hasn't been in use for a hundred years or so.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: adace on April 21, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
A radio rip of the song's floating around. Apparently, most people think think it sucks. Not too surprised tbh.

Edit: They were right. It's as bland as they come. Not looking forward to this album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on April 21, 2013, 02:04:55 PM
Yeah, I'm reading the comments all day and it's actually surprising that people are so negative about it. I thought it's really good, very melodic. The chorus has a Cryptic writings vibe, which can't be bad.  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 21, 2013, 02:23:34 PM
I just searched for it on Youtube, but apparently the video has been deleted :-\
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: adace on April 21, 2013, 02:29:23 PM
I just searched for it on Youtube, but apparently the video has been deleted :-\
I got it through a Mediafire link. I think someone also posted it on Soundcloud.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 21, 2013, 02:43:28 PM
I just searched for it on Youtube, but apparently the video has been deleted :-\
I got it through a Mediafire link. I think someone also posted it on Soundcloud.

Okay thanks, I found it.

Not great, but not really as crappy as most people claim it to be. I'm still pretty sceptical about the album. Quite incredible that this was written by the same guy who wrote the masterpiece named Endgame only a couple of years earlier.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 21, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
Yeah, I'm reading the comments all day and it's actually surprising that people are so negative about it. I thought it's really good, very melodic. The chorus has a Cryptic writings vibe, which can't be bad.  ;D

Yeah, first thing I though of was CW too, could easily fit anywhere on that album.  It's okay, very different and unexpected but I think it can be a grower. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on April 22, 2013, 11:35:58 AM
I like it. Appeals to the melodic rock fan in me. Not very thrash Megadeth-y, but certainly fits Cryptic Writings/Risk and that's fine by me. I like the guitars.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on April 22, 2013, 11:40:59 AM
Sounds like ass to me. It's like Dave tried mixing Bon Jovi and Guns'n'Roses. I know I'm not even a Megadeth fan, but even at that I can say this is leagues and leagues below his past work. I think he needs to put up the axe and join Fox News as a correspondent.  :tdwn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on April 24, 2013, 08:42:39 AM
certainly fits Cryptic Writings/Risk and that's fine by me. I like the guitars.
this... pretty much...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 24, 2013, 12:09:45 PM
Wow, this is radically different from the direction they seemed to be going with Endgame and Thirteen. I like it, because it sounds a bit like Risk, but it's jarring to hear a Megadeth song in a major key. Even most of the songs on Risk still had the minor tonality, and I can't think of many others off the top of my head except for Breadline.

I can totally see why it's getting some flak, but it won't be the only song on the album. I'm glad they tried a song like this, because it gives Risk a little bit of perspective. I still hope there's some Endgame-like thrash to be had somewhere though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on April 24, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
Speaking of Breadline:

Breadline > Holy Wars

Don't get me wrong, both songs are great, but I'd rather listen to Breadline.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on April 24, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Dave, about this song in the June 2013 Guitar World:


"The other is "Super Collider," which is perhaps the most brightly hued song in the Megadeth canon, with an uncharacteristically optimistic lyric and a chorus built on open, ringing major chords. "It's one of those songs that makes people happy, like "A Tout le Monde," Mustaine says, referencing the 1994 Youthanasia track. "You've gotta have some songs like that that everybody can come together on." But, he's quick to stress, not too many. "I'd be lying," he admits with a slight laugh, "if I said I would dig having a whole set of songs like that."

 :chill
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 25, 2013, 04:36:27 AM
It's officially on Youtube now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkR-Zau3HSM

But, he's quick to stress, not too many. "I'd be lying," he admits with a slight laugh, "if I said I would dig having a whole set of songs like that."

 :chill
There's hope
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 25, 2013, 04:43:00 AM
I like the song quite a bit.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on April 25, 2013, 04:43:39 AM
Quote
Sounds more like MEGALIFE than MEGADETH!

 :rollin

Not bad, sounds Risk-y, though I like Risk's production more.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 25, 2013, 05:04:07 AM
Quote from: Youtube comment
I just Super Collided my head against the wall after this.
;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on April 29, 2013, 09:45:25 AM
Dave is doing it again ::):
Quote from: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=189120
I think "Super Collider" probably is gonna be one of our best records. And there's only been one other time in my career I felt like every single thing was in its place and that was "Countdown To Extinction". Because, you know, whenever you do a record, you always… you know where the squeak is and, you know, I remember listening to digital version of a LED ZEPPELIN live song — I think it was "The Lemon Song" or something — and you could hear the pedal, the kick pedal squeaking. So, you know, there's always gonna be something you can hear, and with "Countdown", you know, it was perfect. Every single thing was perfect. And this is the first record I've done since then why I'm absolutely 100 percent confident and satisfied with everything on the record.

Does he even notice he has been saying that about pretty much every album?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on April 29, 2013, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=189120
I think "Super Collider" probably is gonna be one of our best records. And there's only been one other time in my career I felt like every single thing was in its place and that was "Countdown To Extinction".

In that case, my hopes aren't high. I don't like CTE  :biggrin:.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on April 29, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
Dave is doing it again ::):
Quote from: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=189120
I think "Super Collider" probably is gonna be one of our best records. And there's only been one other time in my career I felt like every single thing was in its place and that was "Countdown To Extinction". Because, you know, whenever you do a record, you always… you know where the squeak is and, you know, I remember listening to digital version of a LED ZEPPELIN live song — I think it was "The Lemon Song" or something — and you could hear the pedal, the kick pedal squeaking. So, you know, there's always gonna be something you can hear, and with "Countdown", you know, it was perfect. Every single thing was perfect. And this is the first record I've done since then why I'm absolutely 100 percent confident and satisfied with everything on the record.

Does he even notice he has been saying that about pretty much every album?

He has been doing that  :facepalm: Song sounds pretty average, hopefully it will be one of the weaker tracks on the album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on April 30, 2013, 05:57:38 AM
I honestly don't believe he is doing it for promotional reasons (only)... when musicians go into that studio, they invest their hearts in the albums... they live with the albums .. they breathe them... they sleep with them... and the albums start to mean the world to them...

Once it's done, they start to believe and declare that it's their best work .... it's not only him.. there are millions of others....
/fangirlism
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on April 30, 2013, 12:41:30 PM
I can only hope that this is one of the weaker songs..this song did absolutely nothing for me
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: obscure on April 30, 2013, 02:04:01 PM
^ that I agree  :-\
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 04, 2013, 10:56:39 PM
Anybody knows if Five Magics remained in the set lists after the RIP anniversary tour?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WebRaider on May 04, 2013, 11:26:16 PM
Just now hearing the new song. I don't think its all that bad but I'm not expecting them to come close to capturing the magic of their earlier material. Funny that I immediately felt like Dave was singing "In the Light" from Led Zeppelin in the verses  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 05, 2013, 09:45:10 AM
Anybody knows if Five Magics remained in the set lists after the RIP anniversary tour?

not according to setlist.fm (https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/megadeth-73d6aa19.html?song=Five+Magics), but then again, it's not accurate all the time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
. Funny that I immediately felt like Dave was singing "In the Light" from Led Zeppelin in the verses  :lol
:lol
That is funny... And true!
I can only hope that this is one of the weaker songs..this song did absolutely nothing for me
I'm with you, man.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on May 18, 2013, 10:32:15 AM
Kingmaker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYOaUZ29ws

Better than I expected!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mindflux on May 18, 2013, 12:29:07 PM
Kingmaker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYOaUZ29ws

Better than I expected!

Came to mention the new track.. Word.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on May 18, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
I really like it  :metal Thanks for posting the link.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 18, 2013, 11:36:54 PM
The music is terrific.  At first listen, I'm not crazy about the vocal melody, but maybe it will grow on me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 19, 2013, 03:33:36 AM
Pretty darn good!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on May 19, 2013, 03:41:24 AM
I thought the verse melody sounded like Children Of The Grave, but I liked it. Might be a decent album as I'm 2 from 2 so far.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2013, 04:00:07 AM
Holy shit, the whole verse is a direct rip off of Children of the Grave.  It's cool and pretty old school compared to the material from the last couple of albums but shit, I can't get past that rip off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 19, 2013, 04:44:27 AM
I don't think I'd call it a "rip off" of Children of the Grave" but there are definitely similarities.  I doubt it was intentional.  This song is better than that Super Collider track.  Neither compel me to put Megadeth back on my "buy" list though
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2013, 04:45:52 AM
I don't think I'd call it a "rip off" of Children of the Grave" but there are definitely similarities.  I doubt it was intentional.

Pretty hard to miss.  It's not just one line, it's every line of the verse, simply identical.  Intentional or not, someone must have picked up on that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 19, 2013, 05:47:36 AM
I don't think I'd call it a "rip off" of Children of the Grave" but there are definitely similarities.  I doubt it was intentional.

Pretty hard to miss.  It's not just one line, it's every line of the verse, simply identical.  Intentional or not, someone must have picked up on that.

Well, When on TWNAH is basically Am I Evil with a different intro. Maybe Dave is just playing a homage for Black Sabbath.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 19, 2013, 05:51:26 AM
I just listened to Children of the Grave (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rihpED_obk) and yes, there are similarities, but the Megadeth song is in a different key, it's played at a different tempo, and the notes being sung are different as are the notes in the riff.  It's got some notes in common, especially on the vocals, but saying it's "simply identical" is a pretty big stretch, I think.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2013, 05:53:21 AM
I am only talking about the vocal melody.  Everything else is totally different but the melody for the entire verse is exactly the same.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 19, 2013, 06:00:24 AM
I am only talking about the vocal melody.  Everything else is totally different but the melody for the entire verse is exactly the same.


Oh, then, yeah, I'd actually agree with you there.  It's very very close. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: adace on May 19, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Definitely a better song than the title track, but it could be a tad more interesting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jaq on May 19, 2013, 08:16:09 PM
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought "wow, those verses sound a lot like Children of the Grave."  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: adace on May 24, 2013, 03:21:02 AM
album samples: https://www.amazon.de/gp/recsradio/radio/B00BEXB18M (https://www.amazon.de/gp/recsradio/radio/B00BEXB18M)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on May 24, 2013, 04:27:23 AM
damn.. the samples sound like like midtempo half arsed TWNAH/13, can't hear a classic megadeth riff, monotone Dave... *g*

Probably the best sample was Cold Sweat.


Burn baby Burn....  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on May 24, 2013, 04:35:17 AM
album samples: https://www.amazon.de/gp/recsradio/radio/B00BEXB18M (https://www.amazon.de/gp/recsradio/radio/B00BEXB18M)

I won't buy this album. That's just sad :'(
I thought it could only get better after 13, but apparently I was wrong.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2013, 04:48:59 AM
Hmm......not much excitement can be heard from those samples really.  Looks like it will be another disappointing album.  I really have lost interest since Chris joined and it looks like this will be no exception, but I will still get it and try and give it a go.

I thought Burn at first was a cover of Disco Inferno.

Just finished listening, I didn't realise Cold Sweat was Lizzy's Cold Sweat.  Really, is this a novelty album or something.  (Love Lizzy and Cold Sweat, just didn't expect a cover)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 25, 2013, 06:00:40 AM
I somewhat like them. Definately better than 13 (I only bothered to listen it once, I liked it, but pretty much just songs that had been already released). And probably better than United Abominations (I find the album title pretty self-explanatory  :lol :P) or The World Needs a Hero.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: adace on May 27, 2013, 01:51:50 PM
Just listened to the new album. It sounds like B-sides from Thirteen. Not digging it. :tdwn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on May 27, 2013, 01:55:29 PM
Kingmaker is awesome and I don't think it's a rip off of Sabbath like people are saying, but the rest of what I've heard is pretty disappointing.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 27, 2013, 02:18:09 PM
Just listened to the new album. It sounds like B-sides from Thirteen. Not digging it. :tdwn

This doesn't sound good.  I didn't even like 13.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 28, 2013, 07:38:52 AM
1 listen in so far. Honestly, I like it quite a bit. Sure, it sounds a lot like Youthanasia/Cryptic Writings, but it's a logical progression considering I found 13 to be a lot like Countdown (just, you know, without the quality songs). It clearly needs more listens, because the only songs that really stood out for me were Dance in the Rain and the title track. Super Collider (the song) has actually grown on me a lot, and I find myself humming it rather often.

So, overall, nowhere near as good as Endgame or even United Abominations, but it's certainly better than 13.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: philmcson on May 30, 2013, 02:13:35 PM
Yes, it's better than 13...... not as epic as the classic albums from the 80s but it's a bit dark and.... likeable!  :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on June 01, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
Just listened to the new album. It sounds like B-sides from Thirteen. Not digging it. :tdwn

This doesn't sound good.  I didn't even like 13.
Same here :\



I guess I'll check it out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 02, 2013, 02:55:15 AM
The fucking shops only had the regular edition in stock.  No deluxe edition.  :tdwn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: gazinwales on June 02, 2013, 04:13:43 AM
https://www.utopia.com.au/products/Megadeth-%252d-Super-Collider-%28Ltd.-Ed.-Deluxe-CD-w.-2-bonus-tracks-and-3D-lenticular-cover%29-%252d-CD-%252d-New.html
 :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 02, 2013, 04:28:46 AM
If I ever go to Sydney, that's the first place to go for me.  Always been impressed with their website and the stock that they have.  Unfortunately, in Brisbane, we have a few independant record stores, but they are shit, nothing compared to Utopia.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on June 04, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
Just listened to the entire album for the first time today, overall it's decent but there are definitely more than a few clunkers. I don't care for the title track, Burn! or Built for War, but the rest ranges from average to pretty good in my opinion. Kingmaker, Beginning of Sorrow and The Blackest Crow are my favorites on the album. I do like 13 more though  :-\  this one's pretty much on the same level as stuff like Risk and The World Needs A Hero for me as my least favorite Megadeth albums, but still are somewhat likable.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on June 05, 2013, 03:50:22 AM
Man, people are so gonna hate this album...

I liked it quite a bit, though. It's way slower than what made Megadeth famous, but it's also more melodic and has its share of moments that I wouldn't expect from the band. What I liked the most was that the album has 11 songs, so chances of filler are way slimmer.  ;D Favorite songs: title track, Kingmaker, Beginning of sorrow, Built for war.

All in all, I'm pleasantly surprised, but I hope Super collider won't have the same faith TH1RT3EN had - I fairly liked that one as well at first, but I got tired of it very quickly. Endgame, on the other hand, didn't impress me from the start, although it turned out to be pretty good after a while. Everything's possible with this one...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hayden on June 07, 2013, 09:55:17 AM
I also quite like the album. It is FAR from perfect, but it still has some great moments. Picking the best tracks off it is tricky, especially when a couple of my favourite tracks have elements/moments that best exemplify the album's biggest problems. But, if I had to pick, I'd say "Kingmaker", "Forget to Remember" and "Dance in the Rain" (and "Cold Sweat", of course, but a Megadeth cover of a heavy Thin Lizzy song is never going to be in doubt).

If anyone's interested in my full opinion, then I'll just link to this (https://www.amazon.com/review/R1NQHG6NZR0NSB/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00CXN2JNS&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=) rather than repeat myself once more.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hayden on June 07, 2013, 10:07:42 AM
Endgame, on the other hand, didn't impress me from the start, although it turned out to be pretty good after a while. Everything's possible with this one...

'Endgame' grabbed me RIGHT away; I loved that album from the moment I heard it. Was there anything in particular that turned you off it? Or did you just simply find it underwhelming?

Sorry for the double-post. I was meant to edit this into my previous comment.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on June 08, 2013, 03:34:44 AM
I just didn't find it that exciting. Some songs started to stand out after a while, though...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2013, 08:36:15 PM
I listened to Dance in the Rain yesterday.... Absolutely dreadful. I'd rather listen to Crush 'Em.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 09, 2013, 06:46:17 AM
Just listened to this for the first time.  Hmmm.....nothing to write home about, but it's better than what I expected.  There's a few pretty cool tunes here, but it's definitely a sidestep to what the band has been doing for a while.  Not much more I can say, I think it may have potential because CW and Y are a couple of my fav Deth records and this is sort in in that style.  I don't think the albums will do the band any favours popularity wise.  The bonus tracks aren't really worth the few extra bucks either.  More listens is needed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on June 09, 2013, 08:45:55 AM
The important difference is that Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are great albums, which is something I honestly can't say about Super Collider. It's not even good IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on June 09, 2013, 08:57:45 AM
Yeah, I must agree with my countryman here. Imho, they should have hung up after Endgame - talk about going out with a bang! Though they'll probably stay in the business as Het & Co. do, so no luck there. :(
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on June 10, 2013, 09:03:16 AM
Honestly, I don't get the criticism.  After one listen, I'm liking what I hear.  Too early to tell for sure, but so far, I'm liking Super Collider better than anything outside of my Megadeth "big 4" albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hayden on June 11, 2013, 09:18:15 AM
The album is really growing on me too. My initial criticisms are beginning to fade in the wake of the overall quality of the songs, and instead of getting hung up on minor niggles and possible improvements, I'm kinda just accepting the songs for what they are, and I'm getting a real kick out of them in the process.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Vivace on June 11, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hayden on June 12, 2013, 09:09:42 AM
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.

I fail to see a mention of 'Endgame' here. If you haven't listened to it, then I highly suggest you do. It might just change your stance.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2013, 09:10:35 AM
One listen through and it's just OK.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on June 12, 2013, 10:01:09 AM
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.

I fail to see a mention of 'Endgame' here. If you haven't listened to it, then I highly suggest you do. It might just change your stance.

Agreed. Endgame is a top 3 deth album for me, you're really missing out big time if you haven't heard it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on June 12, 2013, 10:18:02 AM
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.

I fail to see a mention of 'Endgame' here. If you haven't listened to it, then I highly suggest you do. It might just change your stance.

Agreed. Endgame is a top 3 deth album for me, you're really missing out big time if you haven't heard it.

Agreed as well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2013, 12:10:47 PM
Endgame is my #3 Megadeth album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hayden on June 12, 2013, 12:15:58 PM
'Endgame' is unashamedly my #1.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Vivace on June 17, 2013, 08:59:15 AM
I kinda thought Megadeth should have stopped after The System Has Failed. There was an energy that Megadeth had I thought ended around that point. UA was a huge disappointment for me and 13 didn't impress me. This new one Super Collider is worse in my mind. Sure, it sounds like Youthanasia in that is more melodic than speed metal like The System Has Failed, however Youthanasia has a very vibrant energy to it this album doesn't come close to mimicking. I'm sure this album can grow, but I do find about as boring as the past few albums were.

I fail to see a mention of 'Endgame' here. If you haven't listened to it, then I highly suggest you do. It might just change your stance.

I listened to Endgame back when it was released and I wasn't impressed with it as much as The System Has Failed impressed me. I'll spin again here at some point and see if that opinion has changed but right now I find Endgame only OK.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on June 30, 2013, 09:19:26 PM
I just found out that they've been playing Ashes In Your Mouth live this year... my life will be complete if they play it in August when I see them  :metal  :metal  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on July 01, 2013, 02:37:14 AM
Agreed. Endgame is a top 3 deth album for me, you're really missing out big time if you haven't heard it.

*shrug*

It's a bottom 3 Megadeth album for me, along with, though better than, UA and TWNAH.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2013, 08:44:35 AM
The biggest problem Super Collider has is that it has lousy timing.  It is unfortunate that it came out so close to Queensryche's album, because I have been listening mostly to Queensryche and little else since that came out.  But I did listen to Super Collider a bit more over the end of last week and the weekend, and I have to say, I really like it.  I think it's a solid effort.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 01, 2013, 04:46:15 PM
Endgame is actually a really good album, IMO.

I need to get around to Super Collider, but there's just so much right now I need to listen to first. How does it compare to 13?

I really don't like 13 :-\
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on July 01, 2013, 04:47:23 PM
Super Collider is like Bon Jovi rock but with Dave Mustaine and frustrating moments of shred that get buried underneath more rawwwwk.

I also don't like 13 one bit. blegh.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 01, 2013, 04:48:34 PM
I own 13 but really only because I just love Megadeth and I want all their albums. I've tried to finish the album 3 or 4 times but can never finish. I just get bored :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2013, 05:25:34 PM
I need to get around to Super Collider, but there's just so much right now I need to listen to first. How does it compare to 13?

I rank Super Collider 5th, just behind Risk.  13 is...lower in my rankings.  Others may disagree, but to play the "what album does it sound like?" game, I would probably compare it to Youthanasia.  It's not quite as good, IMO, but similar sound.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 01, 2013, 05:42:00 PM
Good to know :tup

I guess these days I'm not expecting a whole lot from them, so Endgame was a nice surprise.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2013, 05:02:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhqZAVGTqw

(https://evilengineering.com/gallery/d/38658-2/mother-of-god-super-troopers.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on July 04, 2013, 05:07:05 AM
That's... really, really bad. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2013, 05:13:45 AM
I can't defend that video, I.......just can't.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on July 04, 2013, 05:15:21 AM
Sooo... in other news, Super Collider is pretty weak. Due to the strength of Kingmaker and The Blackest Crow (which I absolutely LOVE), it's better than 13, which only has the title track as a really great track, but it's still pretty weak.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 06, 2013, 12:00:28 AM
Oh dear god. Has Dave seriously jumped the shark this time? I love Megadeth with everything I am, and would defend their entire catalog to the death, but this is just horrendous.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on July 06, 2013, 09:06:42 AM
Dave. What. The. Fuck. Seriously.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on July 06, 2013, 09:23:19 AM
Now I want to see it. Let's see if it can possibly be any worse than the new NIN video.  :corn

E: I was expecting something worse. Not good, not bad. But Megadeth videos are pretty meh in general (with the exception of Go to Hell and Insomnia).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on July 06, 2013, 09:41:03 AM
the video for Public Enemy No 1 is kickass :metal :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on July 06, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Haven't seen it.

E: Yes it is  :lol.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 06, 2013, 12:42:46 PM
Lame video for a mostly lame song. Kinda fitting really.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mister Gold on July 06, 2013, 01:23:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhqZAVGTqw

(https://evilengineering.com/gallery/d/38658-2/mother-of-god-super-troopers.jpg)

I feel like that video would work better if a Journey song were attached to it instead. Not much better, mind you, but better than a goddamn Megadeth song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on July 06, 2013, 02:04:48 PM
Oh dear god. Has Dave seriously jumped the shark this time? I love Megadeth with everything I am, and would defend their entire catalog to the death, but this is just horrendous.

Crush 'Em. Go!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on July 06, 2013, 03:15:56 PM
I love the song but that video is just wrong.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jaq on July 06, 2013, 03:29:52 PM
DAVE HATES THAT ROCKET.  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 06, 2013, 04:26:06 PM
Oh dear god. Has Dave seriously jumped the shark this time? I love Megadeth with everything I am, and would defend their entire catalog to the death, but this is just horrendous.

Crush 'Em. Go!
Band that is continually being gently pushed into arena rock territory writing a song designed to be a sports anthem. In that light, it succeeds decently. My problem with Super Collider is that it's completely out of left field. Endgame was their most successful album in years, so why Dave has decided to completely regress their sound is just baffling.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on July 06, 2013, 10:07:56 PM
I seem to be in the minority by switching things around. I thought the song was meh and the video was cute.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: SystematicThought on July 07, 2013, 12:49:48 AM
The most confusing part of the video for me, well, 2 parts actually:

1) What exactly did Dave hate about his daughter hanging out with the boy and
2) Why did he throw her in the back of the station wagon like the family dog?

 :lol

I did like Ellefson as the teacher and Drover as the janitor though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mister Gold on July 07, 2013, 01:57:36 AM
The most confusing part of the video for me, well, 2 parts actually:

1) What exactly did Dave hate about his daughter hanging out with the boy and
2) Why did he throw her in the back of the station wagon like the family dog?

 :lol

I did like Ellefson as the teacher and Drover as the janitor though.

I laughed so hard at 'Professor Ellefson' and whatever the heck Chris Broderick was supposed to be in that video... the random guy playing a game of catch behind teenage lovers and just randomly stands there and watches as the girl's dad antagonizes the guy and drags the girl away? :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on July 07, 2013, 02:59:58 AM
I think Shawn was actually the best part of the video :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Laich21DT on July 07, 2013, 10:59:55 PM
I didn't mind the video too much. Certainly not what comes to mind when I think of a Megadeth video though.

Is it just me, or did Ellefson look a little bit like Brent Spiner in the vid? Either way, he was certainly the best suited for the teacher role. Dave was depicted as a dick, which is probably fairly appropriate.


 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: snapple on July 08, 2013, 06:20:36 AM
at least Sweating Bullets is still a cool video :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 08, 2013, 06:25:09 AM
I've always thought Deth videos are pretty good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: snapple on July 08, 2013, 06:35:34 AM
I've always thought Deth videos are pretty good.

Yeah. Well, Never Walk Alone... is shit. This one was just boring. I think it had more to do with the song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2013, 04:48:17 AM
Finals, vote!!!

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39303.0
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 04:24:43 AM
What do you guys think of CtE Live? I've never really been crazy about the album, but I've always chalked it up to the production. Sounds like a razor to me. I think I'll enjoy the songs better on this. On the fence about getting it, though I probably will.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2013, 04:26:46 AM
Yeah, I don't really know if I need another Deth DVD.  Not sure if I really will watch it to be honest.  I haven't heard or seen any footage of it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 04:31:43 AM
I probably wouldn't get the DVD either, just the CD.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2013, 05:36:22 AM
I don't buy live cd's anymore, I never listen to them.  I usually only go for the DVD's.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 06:00:17 AM
A lot of times, I actually buy both. But Megadeth is not a band that I would ever sit down and watch a live DVD. I would, however, be more apt to listen to the CD in the car, on my iPod, etc..

My thinking, or hope, is that the CtE songs will have a bit more life and feel fuller than the studio versions.

My other problem is that compared with RiP Live, this repeats She Wolf, Trust, and Peace Sells, not to mention Symphony Of Destruction, Holy Wars, and Hangar 18.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 02, 2013, 06:17:06 AM
I've given up on Deth setlists having any kind of variety anymore. It's disheartening. Every once in a while they'll bust out something interesting like Ashes or Set the World Afire, but at least 60% of the setlist are songs we've seen a billion times.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 06:38:05 AM
I've given up on Deth setlists having any kind of variety anymore. It's disheartening. Every once in a while they'll bust out something interesting like Ashes or Set the World Afire, but at least 60% of the setlist are songs we've seen a billion times.

Yeah, I've grabbed a number of boots off of Dime and I agree. I'm not that big of a Megadeth fan to really care that much, but being on the fence in the new live album, the fact that the 4 of the 5 additional songs were all on the last live album is bugging me.


What will they do next? youthanasia live?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on October 02, 2013, 10:41:32 AM
What will they do next? youthanasia live?

Very unlikely. They have played maybe six or seven songs from it live. And the title track and Victory only a handful of times.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 01:09:11 PM
What will they do next? youthanasia live?

Very unlikely. They have played maybe six or seven songs from it live. And the title track and Victory only a handful of times.

I was being sarcastic. I just found it cheesy that they did CtE live. RiP, I get. It's a landmark album. I just find that doing CtE is a double dip.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
I'm hoping they play all of Risk at some point.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 01:45:34 PM
I'm hoping they play all of Risk at some point.
I know you like that album, so I'll play nice.....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DT89 on October 02, 2013, 09:06:54 PM
The new CTE live release is awful.  All the songs are tuned down a full step and the sound is just plain lifeless.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on October 04, 2013, 10:48:37 AM
What will they do next? youthanasia live?

Very unlikely. They have played maybe six or seven songs from it live. And the title track and Victory only a handful of times.

I was being sarcastic. I just found it cheesy that they did CtE live. RiP, I get. It's a landmark album. I just find that doing CtE is a double dip.

Oh, I see. Youthanasia is just better than RIP or CTE by miles, so I wouldn't mind.

I'll check out the live version of Captive Honour though. And maybe Psychotron. There is already a kickass version of Ashes In Your Mouth on Rude Awakening, don't think they are going to top that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on October 04, 2013, 11:24:21 AM
What will they do next? youthanasia live?

Very unlikely. They have played maybe six or seven songs from it live. And the title track and Victory only a handful of times.

I was being sarcastic. I just found it cheesy that they did CtE live. RiP, I get. It's a landmark album. I just find that doing CtE is a double dip.

Many feel (myself included) that RIP was their masterpeace but CTE was their biggest album sales wise and what broke them to a whole new audience with the MTV Videos and such....I can see why they would want to do both, but to continue , would be redundant
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 15, 2013, 02:14:24 PM
CTE live is great.  Glad they finally caved in and tuned down to compensate for Daves voice. I couldn't stand another embarrassing vocal performance. Oh, and whoever talked about the production on CTE, I agree. The whole thing is just midscooped to shit, very uncomfortable listening.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on December 22, 2013, 09:32:27 AM
Megadeth's new Christmas album!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO3AbBBtHwY&feature=share
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on December 22, 2013, 01:52:52 PM
ive seen lots of people creaming themselves over that Kimmel bit. i thought it sucked scrotum.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 22, 2013, 08:24:38 PM
I'm the only person on earth that doesn't like Dave's guitar playing. I think his tone sucks, and I don't like his riffs or solos.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on December 22, 2013, 08:27:59 PM
I'm the only person on earth that doesn't like Dave's guitar playing. I think his tone sucks, and I don't like his riffs or solos.

(https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/megadeth_0070_hr_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 22, 2013, 10:50:55 PM
I'm the only person on earth that doesn't like Dave's guitar playing. I think his tone sucks, and I don't like his riffs or solos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95kNwZw8YY
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 22, 2013, 11:09:55 PM
Megadeth's new Christmas album!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO3AbBBtHwY&feature=share

Honestly, I wish this album would happen. There's only so much Twisted Sister Christmas music I can listen to in a month. And yeah, there's plenty of Christmas heavy metal tunes out there, but to have a full on Thrash Christmas album, from Megadeth of all bands, would be just awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 24, 2013, 03:36:47 AM
I honestly didn't find that funny at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on December 24, 2013, 04:36:08 AM
I'm the only person on earth that doesn't like Dave's guitar playing. I think his tone sucks, and I don't like his riffs or solos.


His solos might not be the best ever, but his riffs and rhythm playing is amazing. In my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: NotePad on December 24, 2013, 01:25:56 PM
I feel like i'v said this before on here, but can't find it. whatever.

I'm not too familiar with Megadeth. I do like them. I'v heard songs from System Has Failed that were awesome and plan on buy the album. I bought Super Collider awhile ago. First listen i thought i had made a big mistake. But it's grown on me.

I didn't even realize that it wasn't balls to the wall thrash until it was pointed out to me on some review and others' comments. Kingmaker was pretty megadeth thrash-y. But now when i listen to it, i can see why people say it's more rock, because it is.

Super Collider just doesn't feel like they put enough work into it. Lots of the lyrics are just plain bad TBH. I would say it almost ruins a few songs. It's nice to see Mustaine experimenting, but it just doesn't do it. Doesn't sound original at all. I like Metallica and their new stuff; they know how to make more then just metal. With Dave Mustaine and Megadeth, I cannot say the same. His attempt at a more 'hard rock' record falls flat. He is a guy  that knows thrash metal and should stick to it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 10, 2014, 03:38:09 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/megadeth-pulls-out-of-soundwave-festival-after-promoter-refused-to-apologize-to-dave-mustaine/

MEGADETH has canceled its previously announced Australian tour dates after the promoter allegedly erroneously blamed the band for removing former METALLICA bassist Jason Newsted's new project, simply called NEWSTED, from the billing of MEGADETH's "off" dates during this year's Soundwave festival.

A number of news outlets reported last week that NEWSTED had been taken off MEGADETH's side shows in Sydney and Melbourne while touring Australia on the annual Soundwave trek. The festival organizers claimed via Twitter that Jason Newsted's band was removed from the dates "at the request of MEGADETH." However, MEGADETH tour manager Jim Carroccio denied this, telling ABC New Radio: "[MEGADETH mainman] Dave Mustaine is not responsible for booting NEWSTED off [the Soundwave festival 'off' dates]. Dave did not put [Jason] on the bill and did not take him off the bill."

He added: "Dave submitted a list of bands he was comfortable with and the promoter ignored the list.

"Dave and Jason are friends [and] this has blown up into something silly."

Earlier today (Sunday, February 9), Mustaine released the following statement via the official MEGADETH Facebook page:

"Due to circumstances beyond its control, unfortunately, MEGADETH has to cancel their Australian dates.

"MEGADETH's decision is unrelated to the fact that Jason Newsted is performing at Soundwave. Jason and I spoke recently and continue to be friends."

Mustaine added in a separate posting an hour later: "All I asked for was an apology for blaming me for something I didn't do. I am still willing to play, but the promoter would rather not apologize and prefers to say I asked him to lie, which I didn't.

"Am I the only one that sees how easy it is to fix this?

"[Australian touring mogul and Soundwave promoter] AJ Maddah that I know is a wise and caring man, and I don't know what has happened to my old friend.

"My bags are packed, Aussie fans."

Maddah has since responded to Mustaine via the following series of tweets:

"Dave, we have been friends for a long time and I love you. Your family is like my own. But the only people being punished here are the fans.

"We took instructions from your representatives and we acted on those instructions, as we would with any other artist.

"I realise that you fired your agent and manager and appointed new ones during the process… And that there may have been misunderstandings or miscommunications, but none of those were at our end.

"Despite [all] of this, I sent you a statement regarding possible misunderstandings / miscommunications, apologising to fans, etc. … even though my people did everything by the book and correct protocol was undertaken getting approvals for supports. There are strings of emails supporting this, including ones forwarded with instructions to remove certain artists.

"I am not sure where and how you believe you are owed an apology. And if you are, it should be from your own reps!

"All you are doing by cancelling is punishing the fans who have had no part in any of this.

"Your reps approved your supports and sent clear instructions. They even approved artwork and press release.

"If you have a quarrel, or you were not consulted, then your issue is with your reps and not Australian reps or your old friend!

"So here it is, Dave. I apologize for whatever slight you think I have done you.

"So, does this mean tour is back on?"

Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/megadeth-pulls-out-of-soundwave-festival-after-promoter-refused-to-apologize-to-dave-mustaine/#8BFYXOOovs3lZcwZ.99


I'm not going to Soundwave but have seen Deth twice here in Australia, but this seems pretty stupid to punish the fans over this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on February 10, 2014, 04:22:51 AM
Sounds reminiscent of the Van Halen Soundwave Revolution balls up...............not sure who I'd trust on this one  :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 10, 2014, 04:56:50 AM
That sucks for the Australian fans.

If this happened in my country, I would be pissed and immediately try to figure out who fucked up.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on February 10, 2014, 08:56:42 AM
I honestly didn't find that funny at all.

this. i seen a bunch of peeps thinking it was the bees knees.
i thought it was retarded on a number of levels.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 10, 2014, 10:44:47 AM
At least they have a reason to cancel. Testament went and cancelled their show here in, NM without an explanation at all.

Hopefully they'll figure it out for the Aussie fans.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on February 10, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
I
I'm not too familiar with Megadeth.

Super Collider just doesn't feel like they put enough work into it.

What? How can you know they didn't put enough work into it if you don't are familiar with them?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 10, 2014, 01:54:33 PM
Well, presumably he has heard Supercollider.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on February 10, 2014, 01:58:31 PM
So?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on February 10, 2014, 02:13:20 PM
why cant notepad think that sans familiarity?

anyway, despite dismissing it after 4 listens and never revisiting, i think i can vouch for notepad as being spot on.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on February 10, 2014, 02:18:21 PM
It's not about if he is right or wrong... if he never listened to other Megadeth album, how can we say they didn't put enough work into it (he's comparing the album with what)?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 10, 2014, 02:19:07 PM
He didn't say he was comparing it to anything.  He commented on what that one album sounds like to him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 10, 2014, 02:36:58 PM
Yeah, and he didn't even relate it to Helloween in any way! :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on February 10, 2014, 02:38:16 PM
It doesn't make sense to me saying that without knowing near nothing (if that's true) about the band discography  :corn

Like Calvin Candie says in Django: "I insist"  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 10, 2014, 02:49:17 PM
A bad album is bad no matter who wrote it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on February 10, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
I think I might start a poll  - Super Collider is shite compared to A,B,C,D,E, F or all of the above   :neverusethis:    I vote "all of the above"


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ozzy554 on February 10, 2014, 06:58:01 PM
I liked super collider :blush
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on February 10, 2014, 08:46:20 PM
Dave Mustaine cancels a tour because he feels slighted and someone refuses to publicly apologize to him? Color me shocked.

**** Dave Mustaine.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 10, 2014, 09:37:16 PM
I've been reading this type of news for the last few days. 

So, let me get this straight.  So, the sidewave shows were going to be Megadeth/Newsted.  Good line-up that fans would most likely like to see and both bands know each other and should have no problems playing together on the same show.  However, Newsted got pulled out for another band, then apparently, the promoter of the Soundwave Festival, itself, said that Dave made that decision when after that, Dave denied that he had anything to do with the organization of the Sidewave Shows.  He wanted an apology, but when it didn't happen, Megadeth then pulled out of all the shows for Soundwave?

Am I close to being right with this story?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on February 10, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
 

What you've stated sounds like Dave's side of the story - yes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: NotePad on February 10, 2014, 11:13:06 PM
Well, i will add that in Super Collider there is a definite Helloween influence with the melodies....... just kidding!

Okay, I should elaborate I guess. I am familiar with Megadeth. I just haven't heard each album a dozen times, but I am familiar with some of their older stuff, the most popular of their older stuff, and have heard an am a fan of The System Has Failed.

I take back what i said about it sounding like they didn't put enough work or effort into it. That was too strong a comment and i was trying to sound bold. What I do want to say is that I feel Super Collider tried to do something different with Megadeth's music, and that's great, but it really does not come off as sounding like anything new for them. At that can be fine too, but IMHO Super Collider just also happens to sound dry and stale. It's not hard rock like i'v heard many say (maybe compared to past Megadeth it is!), but it's also not super thrashy. It's just in-between and never really takes off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on February 10, 2014, 11:20:50 PM
Well, i will add that in Super Collider there is a definite Helloween influence with the melodies....... just kidding!

Okay, I should elaborate I guess. I am familiar with Megadeth. I just haven't heard each album a dozen times, but I am familiar with some of their older stuff, the most popular of their older stuff, and have heard an am a fan of The System Has Failed.

I take back what i said about it sounding like they didn't put enough work or effort into it. That was too strong a comment and i was trying to sound bold. What I do want to say is that I feel Super Collider tried to do something different with Megadeth's music, and that's great, but it really does not come off as sounding like anything new for them. At that can be fine too, but IMHO Super Collider just also happens to sound dry and stale. It's not hard rock like i'v heard many say (maybe compared to past Megadeth it is!), but it's also not super thrashy. It's just in-between and never really takes off.

Ah, good, now it's explained... i agree with what you said about Super Collider.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: NotePad on February 11, 2014, 12:51:05 AM
Maybe he thought since Metallica was going back to Thrash, he should take a step back  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 22, 2014, 08:36:24 AM
Can somone tell me if this is legit:

https://youtu.be/6sHwxjkGQcU

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wkiml on April 22, 2014, 09:41:13 AM
legit...he played with them in the last 2 weeks
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on April 22, 2014, 09:50:23 AM
That's hilarious..........apparently called Symphony Interrupted - more like Symphony Destructed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 25, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
News. Wow!
https://bravewords.com/news/shawn-drover-quits-megadeth
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2014, 07:06:32 PM
Portnoy should totally join.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2014, 07:09:47 PM
I hope he gets back together with his brother and works on some new Eidolon.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 25, 2014, 09:29:19 PM
Portnoy should totally join.

Didn't even think about that. Man, that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on November 25, 2014, 09:57:56 PM
Make it Portnoy and Friedman and I'm sold  :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheDisposableHero on November 25, 2014, 10:48:53 PM
https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/ (https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/)

I didn't mind Shawn Drover departing, to be honest. But this?!? I don't know but creative differences sounds like Dave Mustaine not wanting to compromise. Hopefully he can find some worthy replacements and keep Megadeth going because I would hate to see one of my all time favorite thrash metal bands go out like this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Metro on November 25, 2014, 10:49:14 PM
EDIT: ninja'd
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2014, 11:23:50 PM
Oooh, how interesting.  I never liked Broderick anyway, almost every live video I've seen of him is clam city.  clams everywhere.

Make it Portnoy and Friedman and I'm sold  :D

This would be so sexual
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 26, 2014, 04:32:47 AM
https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/ (https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/)

I didn't mind Shawn Drover departing, to be honest. But this?!? I don't know but creative differences sounds like Dave Mustaine not wanting to compromise. Hopefully he can find some worthy replacements and keep Megadeth going because I would hate to see one of my all time favorite thrash metal bands go out like this.

This is great news.  I could never stand Broderick.  He was amazing in Jag Panzer, but just was never a good fit for Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mister Gold on November 26, 2014, 06:06:01 AM
https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/ (https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/)

I didn't mind Shawn Drover departing, to be honest. But this?!? I don't know but creative differences sounds like Dave Mustaine not wanting to compromise. Hopefully he can find some worthy replacements and keep Megadeth going because I would hate to see one of my all time favorite thrash metal bands go out like this.

This is great news.  I could never stand Broderick.  He was amazing in Jag Panzer, but just was never a good fit for Megadeth.

I'm really curious to see who they'll get to replace Broderick though. I don't see Friedman returning anytime soon, but I could see Dave convincing Chris Poland to maybe come back. That'd be sweet.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 26, 2014, 09:28:57 AM
Portnoy should totally join.

Didn't even think about that. Man, that would be awesome.

That...actually would.  I am not sure Mustaine and Portnoy could co-exist in a band, but then again, maybe having a strong personality in the driver's seat is just what Mike needs.  Musically, and from a standpoint of the size and fame of the band, I think this would actually be an ideal gig for Mike.  While the prog side would definitely be lacking, there is some challenging metal drumming in Megadeth's music, and I think Mike would have fun with it.  And he could still get his prog fix with TA and Neal.  Even though nothing has been said about any sort of connection, it would be awesome if this worked out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 26, 2014, 09:38:55 AM
https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/ (https://chrisbroderick.com/blog/2014/11/25/i-am-leaving-megadeth/)

I didn't mind Shawn Drover departing, to be honest. But this?!? I don't know but creative differences sounds like Dave Mustaine not wanting to compromise. Hopefully he can find some worthy replacements and keep Megadeth going because I would hate to see one of my all time favorite thrash metal bands go out like this.

It does suck, but come on. Megadeth had persevered through worse. And it's not like they're strangers to rotating drummers and guitarists. I highly doubt losing two band members will spell the end for Megadeth. Unless tomorrow Ellefson announces that he's quitting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jaq on November 26, 2014, 09:58:40 AM
Oh good, I was starting to worry about how the line up of Megadeth had been stable for too long.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on November 26, 2014, 10:04:25 AM
Man Mustaine is on fire! They both quit within week of each other?!
Broderick was the only Megadeth guitarist I liked since Friedman left, he was the only one who felt like he fit the mood and the sound right.
Never cared for Drover much, Portnoy would make a great replacement for a few month before he and Mustaine break each others noses.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 26, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
Honestly, I'm very curious to hear/read what Dave Mustaine has to say about this situation.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 26, 2014, 10:21:06 AM
So Mustaine lost half of his band AGAIN.
After the fantastic Endgame, the last two albums have been sub par.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on November 26, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Do people join Megadeth and then remember later "oh crap, I report to Dave Mustaine"?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 26, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
Um...apparently, yes.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 26, 2014, 11:23:55 AM
So Mustaine lost half of his band AGAIN.
After the fantastic Endgame, the last two albums have been sub par.

I like the last two albums a lot more than Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: 73109 on November 26, 2014, 11:24:40 AM
Ignore me I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TioJorge on November 26, 2014, 11:26:15 AM
Other than liking a handful of older Megadeth songs, I'm really not into the band all that much, but this even caught my eye on Ultimate Guitar. That is shit is NUTS! Along with all the other debacles this guy has gotten himself into.

I swear, some of these big-name rock band leads are more insane than the reality television peeps. 'Keepin' Up With The Mustaines'. Wonder what'll happen next!? Tune in next week! (I toats will...no really, I'm interested in seeing who the next victim is and how long they'll last)

But I'll always have a cheesy soft spot in my heart for Angry Again, Trust, Peace Sells, Hanger 18, and A Tout Le Monde. That's all the songs I like though, quite literally. Still good stuff though, and if they keep this up this'll be my guilty pleasure.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 26, 2014, 11:33:05 AM
The studio version of Angry Again is SUCH a beast.  One of my all-time favorite Megadeth tunes.  But for some reason, it is lousy live.  I have never heard a good version of it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TioJorge on November 26, 2014, 11:43:24 AM
Agreed, I've thought that same thing before; and it's odd because it sounds like it'd be a real crowd-pleaser and come off as a very powerful, emotional song live. But yeah most are pretty bland and kinda just meh.

Angry Again and Trust are probably my two favorite tunes by the dudes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 26, 2014, 11:50:17 AM
I never understood the love for Endgame. I mean, maybe if you're a real major Thrash fan, I guess I get it, it was all balls and chunk full speed ahead, but I'm not really a fan of that. I have never heard a Slayer song that I even like. I'm much more partial to Megadeth's more melody driven slassic Heavy Metal sound on albums like Cryptic Writings and Countdown to Extinction. I used to think that maybe I just don't get what Megadeth is "about" because I haven't heard much of their catalog. But once I started to explore it, I found that none of their original few albums were too overburdened with being overly heavy or thrashy, they've all had a bit of that melodic edge to them. The energy and thrash appeal came in the form of very visceral riffs, and distortion that sounded like the engine of a speeding car, which is what I love about Megadeth in general. But most of their albums have had a lot of variety in sound, and the different songs were very memorable. I feel like Endgame was all very similar in sound throughout, apart from maybe 3 or 4 songs. I could never get into it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Deathless on November 26, 2014, 12:16:00 PM
I'm really curious about this. Megadeth is a really well-paying gig, even if you are just a hired gun like those two were.

Drover had been complaining a lot in interviews about how he wanted the band to write heavier tunes (I think he wrote the song headcrusher on Endgame?). Maybe he and Broderick got tired of Dave's shit? I don't know.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Metro on November 26, 2014, 01:44:03 PM
I have a poster I got at Mayhem Fest 2011 signed by Chris and Shawn. Maybe I can get a little something for that in a few years?  :lol

I hope Dave doesn't call it quits after this. SuperDisaster would be a horrible Swan Song. I think one more album maybe with 2 former members would be great.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on November 26, 2014, 11:03:09 PM
All makes sense now  ;)

https://overthetopmetalnews.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/dave-mustaine-and-dave-ellefson-recruit-peter-criss-and-ace-frehley-to-form-kiss-of-deth/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 27, 2014, 04:13:10 AM
All makes sense now  ;)

https://overthetopmetalnews.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/dave-mustaine-and-dave-ellefson-recruit-peter-criss-and-ace-frehley-to-form-kiss-of-deth/

Ha.  Cool name but.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 27, 2014, 04:13:31 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dave-lombardo-reportedly-open-to-replacing-shawn-drover-in-megadeth/

Dave Lombardo wants in.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2014, 06:32:34 AM
I never understood the love for Endgame. I mean, maybe if you're a real major Thrash fan, I guess I get it, it was all balls and chunk full speed ahead, but I'm not really a fan of that. I have never heard a Slayer song that I even like. I'm much more partial to Megadeth's more melody driven slassic Heavy Metal sound on albums like Cryptic Writings and Countdown to Extinction. I used to think that maybe I just don't get what Megadeth is "about" because I haven't heard much of their catalog. But once I started to explore it, I found that none of their original few albums were too overburdened with being overly heavy or thrashy, they've all had a bit of that melodic edge to them. The energy and thrash appeal came in the form of very visceral riffs, and distortion that sounded like the engine of a speeding car, which is what I love about Megadeth in general. But most of their albums have had a lot of variety in sound, and the different songs were very memorable. I feel like Endgame was all very similar in sound throughout, apart from maybe 3 or 4 songs. I could never get into it.

Some good observations here, except for THE FIRST SENTENCE!

Seriously, Megadeth has quietly put together a fantastic discography, with quite a bit of variety. But for me, there are still inconstencies, and the last two albums are among them.

Endgame stands right up there with their best work. It's a consistent and focussed album. The song quality is much higher with all parts meshing together. It's a Top 3 Megadeth album for me.


Oh, and I'd be all over Lombardo joining!!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 27, 2014, 07:28:16 AM
I dunno, personally, I loved the last 2 albums. Super Collider almost had a bit of a Motorhead-like vibe to it, which I think was partially because of Mustaine's vocals on it. But the riffs were all memorable and it just had a solid Heavy Metal sound to it. It wasn't very thrashy, but like I said, that's not why I like Megadeth anyway.
And 13 I thought was absolutely amazing. Of course, it almost felt like a compilation album, with songs they've done for video games, and old ideas finally being developed. But that's what I like about it, there's a lot of variety there. It's just satisfying to listen to.
But hey, Megadeth is the one band that actually has just enough variety to split the fans a little bit, so that's probably not a bad thing. It's just a shame that people hate on the last 2 albums so much.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on November 27, 2014, 10:39:23 AM
If I had to pick my favorite record of the last four, it would easily be Super collider. I thought it was refreshing after the extremely mediocre Thirteen, however it still wasn't enough to bring back the Megadeth fanatic from about five years ago. I'm not a huge fan of United abominations and Endgame - the latter did grow on me slightly, but I still don't go crazy about it like some fans.

I'm not too concerned about the change in line up, Megadeth has always been switching band members. Whoever plays in the band, there will always be an album with some good or at least listenable tracks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 27, 2014, 12:59:07 PM
Endgame IMO is one of Megadeth's weakest.  It does absolutely nothing for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on November 27, 2014, 01:09:44 PM
Endgame is one of the only Megadeth albums I like as a whole.

Super Collider = Hilariously bad, just awful
Thirteen = pretty bad, cool cover though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 27, 2014, 01:18:46 PM
Thirteen is awful too.  SC IMO was pretty good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on November 27, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
I gave Super Collider a couple of listens. Not awful, but...delightfully mediocre I would say.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 27, 2014, 04:20:02 PM
Endgame IMO is one of Megadeth's weakest.  It does absolutely nothing for me.

SC IMO was pretty good.

Bosk, Wolfking's account has been hacked!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on November 27, 2014, 06:35:29 PM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dave-lombardo-reportedly-open-to-replacing-shawn-drover-in-megadeth/

Dave Lombardo wants in.

Then they'll just need to get a lead guitarist called Dave to be an all Dave band !
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on November 27, 2014, 06:41:43 PM
Megadave.

I'd still love to see Dave do one more album with a refreshed Marty Friedman before he calls it a day.  That's about the only thing that'll really get me interested.   I tend to just stick to the early stuff up until RIP/Symphony.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 27, 2014, 06:57:40 PM
Endgame IMO is one of Megadeth's weakest.  It does absolutely nothing for me.

SC IMO was pretty good.

Bosk, Wolfking's account has been hacked!

lol.  Everyone knows my opinions on albums are a bit off.  Endgame just did nothing for me, and I tried many times.  Maybe I will try again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 27, 2014, 06:59:02 PM
lol.  Everyone knows my opinions on albums are a bit off.  Endgame just did nothing for me, and I tried many times.  Maybe I will try again.

By a bit off, you mean the most right in this case?  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 27, 2014, 07:02:03 PM
lol.  Everyone knows my opinions on albums are a bit off.  Endgame just did nothing for me, and I tried many times.  Maybe I will try again.

By a bit off, you mean the most right in this case?  :tup

Ah.....sure man.  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 28, 2014, 04:29:51 AM
Glen ain't coming back.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guitarist-glen-drover-there-is-no-chance-i-would-ever-rejoin-megadeth/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 28, 2014, 05:24:23 AM
That's ok with me.  Pitrelli was really the last guitarist I enjoyed seeing in Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 28, 2014, 03:53:53 PM
That's ok with me.  Pitrelli was really the last guitarist I enjoyed seeing in Megadeth.

Big Glen fan here, but Pitrelli is indeed amazing.  Rude Awakening is still my fav Deth DVD.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 28, 2014, 04:07:47 PM
That's ok with me.  Pitrelli was really the last guitarist I enjoyed seeing in Megadeth.

Big Glen fan here, but Pitrelli is indeed amazing.  Rude Awakening is still my fav Deth DVD.

+1 on Rude Awakening.  When I first bought the CD it was the only thing I listened to for like 3 months straight. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 28, 2014, 04:41:19 PM
Honestly, I've never given a second thought about who the second guitarist is in Megadeth. In all the performances with Broderick, I thought he fit in great.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on November 28, 2014, 07:37:42 PM
Broderick was just a little step under Friedman for me. Dude was insanely good and criminally under-utilized after Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mosh on November 28, 2014, 08:01:47 PM
Supercollider was god awful. Easily the worst album I heard last year. Endgame was great and I thought Thirteen was better than people gave it credit for.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on November 29, 2014, 07:48:54 AM
Broderick was just a little step under Friedman for me. Dude was insanely good and criminally under-utilized after Endgame.

This.
And imo Dave should rather end Megadeth than do another album as bad as the last two.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on November 29, 2014, 08:21:08 AM
Portnoy should totally join.

Didn't even think about that. Man, that would be awesome.

That...actually would.  I am not sure Mustaine and Portnoy could co-exist in a band, but then again, maybe having a strong personality in the driver's seat is just what Mike needs.  Musically, and from a standpoint of the size and fame of the band, I think this would actually be an ideal gig for Mike.  While the prog side would definitely be lacking, there is some challenging metal drumming in Megadeth's music, and I think Mike would have fun with it.  And he could still get his prog fix with TA and Neal.  Even though nothing has been said about any sort of connection, it would be awesome if this worked out.
Mike Portnoy posted on FB that he's starting his work on a new ''secret project'' on Monday. Megadeth?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 29, 2014, 08:39:08 AM
I'd be fine with that!
He has some history with Ellefson with the Hail stuff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 29, 2014, 09:55:39 AM
Mike Portnoy posted on FB that he's starting his work on a new ''secret project'' on Monday. Megadeth?

I highly doubt it. Considering that he's been on vacation, even if he was interested, him coming back would mean talks, contracts, things like that, not going right into working on the project, which, presumably would be an album.
Even Dave, what with his mother in law's body turning up and everything, I don't think is in the mindset to be working on an album right now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mosh on November 29, 2014, 12:24:20 PM
Well clearly MP isn't on vacation anymore since he's getting to work on a project next week for 2015. Megadeth fits that bill just fine. He could rehearse with the band and stuff while legal things are still being sorted out, it'll just be awhile before they can officially reveal him as the drummer, that's why nothing has been said yet (and that goes for any drummer they end up with).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on November 29, 2014, 02:40:30 PM
I've never been a fan of Dave Mustaine's leads. I've always hated his tone and thought it sounded way too "trebley," and I've always found them very uninspired, repetitive and uncreative. Very pentatonic for lack of a better term, not as... experimental as I'd like them to be?

I could make a hundred posts with all my unpopular opinions on this band, but I'd just like to add that I've never liked Rust in Peace, and have always LOVED TWNAH.

Return to Hangar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hangar 18.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on November 29, 2014, 04:02:28 PM
I haven't really been "into Megadeth" in a long time...but I'm with XBOBX on that last point.   I think RIP is sorely OVERRATED and I thought TWNAH was a great return to form. 

To tell you the truth, all the singles I've heard since then have just sounded so "Megadeth by the numbers" that I haven't really bothered to listen to the albums.    Add that to the fact that I'm just not that into thrash any more...and I hate Dave Mustaine... I guess I just don't bother with Megadeth any more.   

Well...I say I'm not into thrash, but at the same time the last two Testament albums and the newest one from Forbidden would almost have me eating those words.   So maybe it just takes the right album.

SFSGSW is still my favorite Megadeth album (the original...not that god-awful remix).   And I love Killing is My Business as well.     RIP was good, but not as good as its predecessor to my ears, and then Countdown to Extinction was just terrible.   Youthanasia was a bit better, but still not great.   However I really thought Cryptic Writings was a surprisingly good album.    Risk was an absolute abomination.    TWNAH was a really great comeback.    But honestly, I haven't cared enough about any of it to keep coming back.   So I just gave up.   
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 29, 2014, 05:23:16 PM
I haven't really been "into Megadeth" in a long time...but I'm with XBOBX on that last point.   I think RIP is sorely OVERRATED and I thought TWNAH was a great return to form. 

To tell you the truth, all the singles I've heard since then have just sounded so "Megadeth by the numbers" that I haven't really bothered to listen to the albums.    Add that to the fact that I'm just not that into thrash any more...and I hate Dave Mustaine... I guess I just don't bother with Megadeth any more.   

Well...I say I'm not into thrash, but at the same time the last two Testament albums and the newest one from Forbidden would almost have me eating those words.   So maybe it just takes the right album.

SFSGSW is still my favorite Megadeth album (the original...not that god-awful remix).   And I love Killing is My Business as well.     RIP was good, but not as good as its predecessor to my ears, and then Countdown to Extinction was just terrible.   Youthanasia was a bit better, but still not great.   However I really thought Cryptic Writings was a surprisingly good album.    Risk was an absolute abomination.    TWNAH was a really great comeback.    But honestly, I haven't cared enough about any of it to keep coming back.   So I just gave up.

Lots to chew on here.

SFSGSW...my favorite too!!!
RIP..NOT overrated
TWNAH...yes a strong comeback

Last two Testament albums....freaking awesome, and I was never a big Testament guy.

Back to TWNAH. I would say that each successive album was a little better than the previous..so TWNAH builds into TSAF, which builds into UA, until finally climaxing with Endgame.

And yes, Risk sucks. Would've made a great Alice Cooper record, but not Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Jaq on November 29, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
People like TWNAH?

That's it, I've heard everything now.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 29, 2014, 05:39:59 PM
I felt it was a step in the right direction, if anything.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 30, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
TWNAH is the last great Megadeth album, real talk.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on November 30, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
TAC...  If you're into classic Bay Area thrash, and liked the last two Testament albums, you REALLY need to check out Forbidden's comeback album Omega Wave.  Freakin amazing.   Too bad it just flew under the radar and the band dissolved not long after making it due to the fact that no one noticed.   But it's every bit the equal of the two Testament albums.   They just didn't have the pull of being as big as Testament.

People are saying great things about the Death Angel reunion as well, but I haven't heard it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 30, 2014, 01:58:53 PM
I didn't notice it either. I had Evil back in the day on vinyl. I also had the Vio-lence album too. Never really followed up with either band.

Just checked some Omega Wave samples. It sounds damn good? :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Randaran on November 30, 2014, 06:04:23 PM
TWNAH is the last great Megadeth album, real talk.

No, just no.

UA has a few standouts (the opening track, Sleepwalker, is my favorite Megadeth song, and there are at least three other great tracks), and Endgame is amazing.

I will acknowledge that the remainer of their post-TWNAH material is not that great. Thirteen was ok, I have not yet listened to Super Collider, and I dislike the production of The System Has Failed to such an extent that I have yet to get past the second song.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 30, 2014, 07:08:47 PM
TWNAH is the last great Megadeth album, real talk.

No, just no.

UA has a few standouts (the opening track, Sleepwalker, is my favorite Megadeth song, and there are at least three other great tracks), and Endgame is amazing.

I will acknowledge that the remainer of their post-TWNAH material is not that great. Thirteen was ok, I have not yet listened to Super Collider, and I dislike the production of The System Has Failed to such an extent that I have yet to get past the second song.  :biggrin:

UA does what it says on the tin, and IS an abomination.  The only thing that COULD give TWNAH a run for its money is TSHF.  Chris Poland ftw.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2014, 08:38:32 PM
TSHF is top 3 Deth IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on November 30, 2014, 08:48:49 PM
I could make a hundred posts with all my unpopular opinions on this band, but I'd just like to add that I've never liked Rust in Peace, and have always LOVED TWNAH.

That's it, I've heard everything now.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on December 01, 2014, 12:10:34 AM
TSHF is top 3 Deth IMO.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 01, 2014, 09:51:36 AM
Well clearly MP isn't on vacation anymore since he's getting to work on a project next week for 2015. Megadeth fits that bill just fine. He could rehearse with the band and stuff while legal things are still being sorted out, it'll just be awhile before they can officially reveal him as the drummer, that's why nothing has been said yet (and that goes for any drummer they end up with).

Yeah, but unless one of them called the other while MP was on his last days of vacation to arrange it, I highly doubt it could've happened that fast. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. I just wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2014, 10:45:18 AM
Endgame IMO is one of Megadeth's weakest.  It does absolutely nothing for me.

SC IMO was pretty good.

Bosk, Wolfking's account has been hacked!

lol.  Everyone knows my opinions on albums are a bit off.  Endgame just did nothing for me, and I tried many times.  Maybe I will try again.

Hey, don't look at me.  I am of the opinion that Risk is a great album and is in the top 4 Megadeth albums ever, so...  :dunno:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 01, 2014, 10:48:36 AM
Hey, don't look at me.  I am of the opinion that Risk is a great album and is in the top 4 Megadeth albums ever, so...  :dunno:

Risk is pretty awesome. Although I have to say, the Remixed/Remastered Edition is where it's at for taht album. It really gave it a much needed boost in that oomph.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
As far as ruling out MP because things would have happened "too quickly," keep in mind a couple of things:
1.  Mike already has a relationship with Mustaine and Ellefson, so things could indeed fall into place VERY quickly.  I tend to think that if Mustaine called Portnoy and said, "hey, our drummer is out.  You interested," Mike probably would not hesitate to accept right on the spot.
2.  Mike has long had a habit of jumping the gun and being premature about things, so even if it might be too early to have all the details inked, him considering it a done deal in his mind simply based on initial overtures would not be out of character.

Not saying any of this means he IS the guy.  But the timing alone isn't enough to rule him out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2014, 10:53:20 AM
Hey, don't look at me.  I am of the opinion that Risk is a great album and is in the top 4 Megadeth albums ever, so...  :dunno:

Risk is pretty awesome. Although I have to say, the Remixed/Remastered Edition is where it's at for taht album. It really gave it a much needed boost in that oomph.

I actually haven't heard that edition.  I meant to pick it up, but have never gotten around to it.  But despite a few things that don't work, there are some REALLY solid songs on that album.  Time the Beginning/End (if you consider them one song) is one of my all-time favorite Megadeth pieces.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on December 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
If he did accept the gig I will interested to see if it's just as a studio hired gun and maybe for 1 tour until the slot is filled.

He has made a very public commitment to TWD. I would be surprised if he accepted anything that would interfere with that
commitment.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
He has made a very public commitment to TWD. I would be surprised if he accepted anything that would interfere with that
commitment.

Very true.  But, hypothetically, I think there are a couple of factors:
1.  Megadeth is comparatively huge relative to other opportunities Mike currently has available, so making an "adjustment" to his present commitments if this opportunity presented itself might not be out of the question.
2.  I think that neither project is so active that adjustments in the schedule could not be made to accommodate.  I think he could probably work it out.  In a way, Megadeth would be ideal from that standpoint.  They are big enough that it would be a great gig to earn some more serious cash and get him out on bigger stages, but they aren't HUGE anymore and are a bit less busy so that he could still do other things, time (and Mustaine) permitting.

I dunno.  I still think it is more likely than not that he will NOT be the next Megadeth drummer.  But so far, none of the reasons I have seen should be considered insurmountable hurdles. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 01, 2014, 11:26:39 AM
I actually haven't heard that edition.  I meant to pick it up, but have never gotten around to it.  But despite a few things that don't work, there are some REALLY solid songs on that album.  Time the Beginning/End (if you consider them one song) is one of my all-time favorite Megadeth pieces.

I agree. And this goes back to what I said earlier. The reason Risk has been so panned is because people pigeon holed Megadeth into the "Thrash" subgenre. But as I said, they're very influenced by traditional Heavy Metal, and they're very good at writing that kind of music. Of course it's not going to appeal very much to the kind of a crowd whose idea of a good time is in the middle of a mosh pit (not my cup of tea, personally), but on its own merits, it's excellent. And Crush Em is a fantastic rock anthem.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 01, 2014, 02:23:53 PM
tbh I used to think Nick Menza and Mike Portnoy were the same guy back in the 90s so it would work out great.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 01, 2014, 04:08:16 PM
Still nothing from Dave?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on December 01, 2014, 04:43:03 PM
Still nothing from Dave.


He's probably taking his time to make sure his press release has just the right amount of tactless arrogance.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on December 01, 2014, 04:59:15 PM
He's also lost his mother in law in recent days so might have other things on his mind..............although he has been finding time to promote CD signing , so that might void that theory  ::)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2014, 05:22:47 PM
What Brent said, I'm sure his mother in law is reason behind him being quiet.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 01, 2014, 09:10:17 PM
Dave Mustaine is a bad human being. His political beliefs are poisonous.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bolsters on December 01, 2014, 09:29:48 PM
Dave Mustaine is a bad human being. His political beliefs are poisonous.
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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mosh on December 02, 2014, 12:19:54 AM
He has made a very public commitment to TWD. I would be surprised if he accepted anything that would interfere with that
commitment.

Very true.  But, hypothetically, I think there are a couple of factors:
1.  Megadeth is comparatively huge relative to other opportunities Mike currently has available, so making an "adjustment" to his present commitments if this opportunity presented itself might not be out of the question.
2.  I think that neither project is so active that adjustments in the schedule could not be made to accommodate.  I think he could probably work it out.  In a way, Megadeth would be ideal from that standpoint.  They are big enough that it would be a great gig to earn some more serious cash and get him out on bigger stages, but they aren't HUGE anymore and are a bit less busy so that he could still do other things, time (and Mustaine) permitting.

I dunno.  I still think it is more likely than not that he will NOT be the next Megadeth drummer.  But so far, none of the reasons I have seen should be considered insurmountable hurdles.
Pretty much this. There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now, but if not I think MP is a good bet.

To be completely honest I don't think TWD will last that long. Maybe one or two new albums at most. These supergroups tend to not last very long, especially when one or more of the members have bigger commitments. Just look at what happened to Chickenfoot, or more recently BCC (granted other factors seemed to be bigger causes for that split). If MP wants an actual full time band with longevity, unless he finds a bunch of young musicians to start a brand new band, he's gonna have to join an already established act. Megadeth could be the ticket. The only question after that is how long would he last in that band.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 02, 2014, 01:12:53 AM
There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now

Signs where? where signs?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2014, 04:15:32 AM
There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now

Signs where? where signs?

Yeah, I have no idea where he would have gotten that from. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2014, 06:45:15 AM
He has made a very public commitment to TWD. I would be surprised if he accepted anything that would interfere with that
commitment.

Very true.  But, hypothetically, I think there are a couple of factors:
1.  Megadeth is comparatively huge relative to other opportunities Mike currently has available, so making an "adjustment" to his present commitments if this opportunity presented itself might not be out of the question.
2.  I think that neither project is so active that adjustments in the schedule could not be made to accommodate.  I think he could probably work it out.  In a way, Megadeth would be ideal from that standpoint.  They are big enough that it would be a great gig to earn some more serious cash and get him out on bigger stages, but they aren't HUGE anymore and are a bit less busy so that he could still do other things, time (and Mustaine) permitting.

I dunno.  I still think it is more likely than not that he will NOT be the next Megadeth drummer.  But so far, none of the reasons I have seen should be considered insurmountable hurdles.
Pretty much this. There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now, but if not I think MP is a good bet.

To be completely honest I don't think TWD will last that long. Maybe one or two new albums at most. These supergroups tend to not last very long, especially when one or more of the members have bigger commitments. Just look at what happened to Chickenfoot, or more recently BCC (granted other factors seemed to be bigger causes for that split). If MP wants an actual full time band with longevity, unless he finds a bunch of young musicians to start a brand new band, he's gonna have to join an already established act. Megadeth could be the ticket. The only question after that is how long would he last in that band.  :lol

I can't see Megadeth lasting much longer tbh. Even if MP joined I don't think he'd be in the band very long.

Mustaine is already 53. Can anyone see him still fronting Megadeth at age 60 ? That's only 7 years away.  His voice is in terrible shape as it is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2014, 08:55:36 AM
Okay, but his voice has ALWAYS been in terrible shape.  You might like his voice or feel that it suits the songs, but I don't think I have ever heard anyone try to argue that Mustaine was ever a good singer or had a great voice, ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on December 02, 2014, 10:01:31 AM
Okay, but his voice has ALWAYS been in terrible shape.  You might like his voice or feel that it suits the songs, but I don't think I have ever heard anyone try to argue that Mustaine was ever a good singer or had a great voice, ever.

ABSOLUTELY THIS

I absolutely loved Megadeth back in the day, and I still hold the pre-CTE stuff to be some of the best thrash ever made.  And I *do* think Dave's snarling delivery really fits most of the time.   But the guy CANNOT "sing"...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 02, 2014, 10:24:38 AM
I like his "non-singing" though. Saying he cannot sing is a bit unfair, I'd say he has his own unique style that doesn't conform to standard singing techniques, and when it does come to standard singing techniques, yes, I'd say he's probably not very proficient at that.
But as it is, saying he can't sing at all is like hearing someone do guttural vocals and saying they can't sing at all. It's a different technique, and for Mustaine, he's very good at what he does. If he was TRYING to sing normally, and this is what we got, then yeah, I'd say he couldn't sing. And I haven't heard him actually tru to sing normally to make that judgment.  But what he is doing, he's getting the exact result he wants out of it. And honestly, I much prefer listening to Mustaine's vocals than anything guttural.
But yeah, for his purposes, aside from the odd clean passage here and there, he really doesn't need his voice to be in any kind of an excellent shape, so I don't see why he couldn't go on doing what he's doing well into his 60s. If anything ever causes him to stop, I have a feeling that it's going to be his hands long before his voice.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 02, 2014, 02:33:18 PM
If he was TRYING to sing normally, and this is what we got, then yeah, I'd say he couldn't sing. And I haven't heard him actually tru to sing normally to make that judgment.  But what he is doing, he's getting the exact result he wants out of it.

He's trying to sing HIS normal and he just can't do it anymore - I really don't think he's getting the exact result he wants out of his singing.  He can sing pretty much NOTHING from the pre-2000's Deth back catalogue.  At least not without tuning the guitar down a whole step to D standard - which in itself is lolcats as Dave's gone on record as saying that downtuning is stupid because 'the guitar doesn't resonate the way its supposed to at A440z".  Pffffffftttt

Pffffffftttttttt

To be fair, he could never really replicate his studio vocals live.  He could've done with some singing lessons early on to preserve what he had by using proper technique but his huge inflated ego probably stopped him making that call. 

Disc 4 of Warchest has the best live vocals.  Lets just bask in that glory and forget everything after that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: mikemangioy on December 02, 2014, 02:44:06 PM
Man, if only Nevermore still existed, I would've love to see Chris back in that band.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 02, 2014, 03:33:11 PM
If he was TRYING to sing normally, and this is what we got, then yeah, I'd say he couldn't sing. And I haven't heard him actually tru to sing normally to make that judgment.  But what he is doing, he's getting the exact result he wants out of it.

He's trying to sing HIS normal and he just can't do it anymore - I really don't think he's getting the exact result he wants out of his singing.  He can sing pretty much NOTHING from the pre-2000's Deth back catalogue.  At least not without tuning the guitar down a whole step to D standard - which in itself is lolcats as Dave's gone on record as saying that downtuning is stupid because 'the guitar doesn't resonate the way its supposed to at A440z".  Pffffffftttt

Pffffffftttttttt

To be fair, he could never really replicate his studio vocals live.  He could've done with some singing lessons early on to preserve what he had by using proper technique but his huge inflated ego probably stopped him making that call. 

Disc 4 of Warchest has the best live vocals.  Lets just bask in that glory and forget everything after that.

You know, I noticed this with Super Collider, but these days, I find he's starting to sound more and more like Lemmy from Motorhead. And honestly, I'm not sure that's such a bad thing, haha.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 02, 2014, 03:36:32 PM
If you detuned Dave's vocals on any early Megadeth record down a fifth they'd probably sound like Lemmy too :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2014, 03:39:17 PM
Killed By Deth  :D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 02, 2014, 03:43:46 PM
If you detuned Dave's vocals on any early Megadeth record down a fifth they'd probably sound like Lemmy too :lol

Now that sounds like an interesting experiment!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
Killed By Deth  :D
:facepalm:

 :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mosh on December 02, 2014, 04:41:57 PM
There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now

Signs where? where signs?
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 02, 2014, 04:49:21 PM
That's some interesting detective work!

Dave Ellefson spoken word tour..
https://bravewords.com/news/megadeth-bassist-david-ellefsons-my-life-with-death-spoken-word-tour-to-hit-australia-in-march
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2014, 07:36:48 PM
There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now

Signs where? where signs?
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/

Weird I haven't heard about this, but well done indeed.  And very interesting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 02, 2014, 11:49:10 PM
There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now

Signs where? where signs?
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/

ooooooh, nice!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 03, 2014, 05:36:06 AM
That's some interesting detective work!

Dave Ellefson spoken word tour..
https://bravewords.com/news/megadeth-bassist-david-ellefsons-my-life-with-death-spoken-word-tour-to-hit-australia-in-march

Every Megadeth tour is a spoken word tour with how limited Dave's voice is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 03, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on December 04, 2014, 01:56:24 AM
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/

I'm not going to dismiss the notion out of hand, but it's a bit of a stretch to go from mutual follows with the bass player on Twitter to "Marty Friedman willing to suspend his burgeoning career in Japan to put up with Mustaine's shit again".
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on December 04, 2014, 03:09:45 AM
Megadeth bassist David Ellefson reassured fans that despite the recent departure of guitarist Chris Broderick and drummer Shawn Drover, the group will not disband.

"As you can probably tell by me being here today, we are not disbanding," he said during a recent fan club chat.

"As of right now, we are looking at all the options, of which there are many. We'll certainly continue working on the new songs for the next record, Hopefully that brings everyone up to speed on things as of today. Thank you for all of your kind words, concerns and support to us," Ellefson added.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/david_ellefson_megadeth_is_not_disbanding.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/david_ellefson_megadeth_is_not_disbanding.html)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on December 04, 2014, 03:38:47 AM
They should do open auditions. I'm sure there's hundreds of unknown drummers and guitarists who would kill to be in a high profile gig like that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mindflux on December 04, 2014, 07:12:44 AM
It seems like such a waste to go through lineup changes as often as Megadeth seems to.

The new member (if not an old member rejoining) has to learn a huge, complex back catalog of songs.   Maybe not every single one, but enough that it would seem like a huge pain in the ass to bring on a new member.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 04, 2014, 07:25:18 AM
It seems like such a waste to go through lineup changes as often as Megadeth seems to.

The new member (if not an old member rejoining) has to learn a huge, complex back catalog of songs.   Maybe not every single one, but enough that it would seem like a huge pain in the ass to bring on a new member.



I dunno, did you ever hear the story of Jimmy Degrasso's first gig with them? My memory may be off, but I think he had like, a night to learn a Megadeth set - he was playing a festival with them the next day.  He did it all without any drums, just by learning and memorizing the recordings.  Played the show the next day without a hitch.  That's the calibre of musician they're working with so I don't think it'd be that big a deal.  Plus, the money's gotta be not-too-shabby like, thats usually a good motivator for wanting to do the job right.

Its interesting tho, imagine how amazing Metallica would be if it was James Hetfield and a rotating cast of stellar musicians lol.  I don't even know how you could call Megadeth Megadeth anymore.  They should just call it The Daves. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mindflux on December 04, 2014, 07:32:56 AM
I dunno, did you ever hear the story of Jimmy Degrasso's first gig with them? My memory may be off, but I think he had like, a night to learn a Megadeth set - he was playing a festival with them the next day.  He did it all without any drums, just by learning and memorizing the recordings.  Played the show the next day without a hitch.  That's the calibre of musician they're working with so I don't think it'd be that big a deal.  Plus, the money's gotta be not-too-shabby like, thats usually a good motivator for wanting to do the job right.

Its interesting tho, imagine how amazing Metallica would be if it was James Hetfield and a rotating cast of stellar musicians lol.  I don't even know how you could call Megadeth Megadeth anymore.  They should just call it The Daves.

I  hadn't heard about that. I did wonder if at that level of musicianship if my pondering was even a real issue.  It still just seems like a massive PITA.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 04, 2014, 07:34:39 AM
I feel like Dave Mustaine's whole career has been nothing but ass pain :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 04, 2014, 08:30:43 AM
My Last Turds
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2014, 08:41:23 AM
I dunno, did you ever hear the story of Jimmy Degrasso's first gig with them? My memory may be off, but I think he had like, a night to learn a Megadeth set - he was playing a festival with them the next day.  He did it all without any drums, just by learning and memorizing the recordings.  Played the show the next day without a hitch.  That's the calibre of musician they're working with so I don't think it'd be that big a deal.  Plus, the money's gotta be not-too-shabby like, thats usually a good motivator for wanting to do the job right.

Well, yes, but you also have to take into account that Jimmy is a freak.  :lol 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 04, 2014, 12:47:31 PM
Well, yeah.  :lol He's a big part of the reason I loved Rude Awakening so much, he's a monster.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2014, 01:22:49 PM
I've loved pretty much all of his work that I have heard. 

On a side note, I don't remember the timing for sure, but I think he and Dave already had a relationship too because they had worked on MD.45 prior to Jimmy joining Megadeth, if memory serves.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: mikemangioy on December 04, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
If the RIP lineup doesn't come back, I would LOVE to see DeGrasso back in Megadeth. Have you seen She Wolf live with his drum solo? FLAWLESS :metal

Oh, and speaking of RIP, you should check out my top 50 albums thread in fifteen minutes  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on December 04, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
The last Deth show I saw was Gigantour when DT opened just prior to them. I stayed for a couple songs but their energy was
lacking and it was a long day going back and forth between stages to catch the bands I wanted to see. For those who have
seen them recently do you think they still have the capability to fill theaters and then to keep people there with ample energy?
They just didn't hold a candle to DT's performance when I saw them. It was a let down.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheGreatPretender on December 04, 2014, 03:03:43 PM
The last Deth show I saw was Gigantour when DT opened just prior to them. I stayed for a couple songs but their energy was
lacking and it was a long day going back and forth between stages to catch the bands I wanted to see. For those who have
seen them recently do you think they still have the capability to fill theaters and then to keep people there with ample energy?
They just didn't hold a candle to DT's performance when I saw them. It was a let down.

Well, I went to see Gigantour last year, and it's a definite yes.
The Molson Ampitheater was full (fits 16000 people), and while it's true that a lot of them were probably there for Black Label Society, I would definitely say that Megadeth had great energy, plus I was way at the front, and let me tell you, the amount of people trying to push and shove their way to the front when Megadeth was performing was pretty intense. Quite a few people were squeezed out of the front row, and I remember someone actually had to be pulled out by security because they couldn't handle the pressure. So the people that WERE there, had their enthusiasm cranked.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: goo-goo on December 04, 2014, 03:23:57 PM
The last Deth show I saw was Gigantour when DT opened just prior to them. I stayed for a couple songs but their energy was
lacking and it was a long day going back and forth between stages to catch the bands I wanted to see. For those who have
seen them recently do you think they still have the capability to fill theaters and then to keep people there with ample energy?
They just didn't hold a candle to DT's performance when I saw them. It was a let down.

Felt the same way when I saw them at the Gigantour in Albuquerque with DT. Left after two songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 04, 2014, 04:56:59 PM
If the RIP lineup doesn't come back, I would LOVE to see DeGrasso back in Megadeth. Have you seen She Wolf live with his drum solo? FLAWLESS :metal

Oh, and speaking of RIP, you should check out my top 50 albums thread in fifteen minutes  :biggrin:

Finally, something in your top ten I can dig!

The last Deth show I saw was Gigantour when DT opened just prior to them. I stayed for a couple songs but their energy was
lacking and it was a long day going back and forth between stages to catch the bands I wanted to see. For those who have
seen them recently do you think they still have the capability to fill theaters and then to keep people there with ample energy?
They just didn't hold a candle to DT's performance when I saw them. It was a let down.

Felt the same way when I saw them at the Gigantour in Albuquerque with DT. Left after two songs.

Yep.  Saw them at a festival here, a sideshow to the Soundwave cancellation/casserole of nonsense.  Was pretty underwhelming - was still awesome to see the Daves in real life tho having spent the best part of my early teens absolutely fanboy'd out over Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2014, 05:11:33 PM
As many negative stories as I've heard, I guess I got lucky the one time I saw them, because they unequivocally BROUGHT IT for that show.  And Flotsam as openers were great too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 05, 2014, 12:31:26 PM
They kicked ludicrous amounts of ass when I saw them with Slayer and Testament for American Carnage.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2014, 12:33:34 PM
I listened to Hidden Treasures last night for the first time in years.  Man, there are some good tracks.  Their B-sides were better than most bands' hits back in the day.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 05, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
As many negative stories as I've heard, I guess I got lucky the one time I saw them, because they unequivocally BROUGHT IT for that show.  And Flotsam as openers were great too.

This tour was the last time I saw both of these bands. Unfotrunately, it was 1995 and each were supporting their worst albums to that point. And their live shows reflected it. I love Flotsam, and they were just OK, and Megadeth looked worn and tired, especially Mustaine. It was brutal to watch them that night.
Korn was also on that bill.


I listened to Hidden Treasures last night for the first time in years.  Man, there are some good tracks.  Their B-sides were better than most bands' hits back in the day.
Hidden Treasures is pretty good. I wish Def leppard would've released a collection of their Hysteria B Sides. They were better than the album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2014, 01:09:27 PM
As many negative stories as I've heard, I guess I got lucky the one time I saw them, because they unequivocally BROUGHT IT for that show.  And Flotsam as openers were great too.

This tour was the last time I saw both of these bands. Unfotrunately, it was 1995 and each were supporting their worst albums to that point. And their live shows reflected it. I love Flotsam, and they were just OK, and Megadeth looked worn and tired, especially Mustaine. It was brutal to watch them that night.
Korn was also on that bill.

Well, since you just said Megadeth's was "pretty good," I don't think it could qualify as their worst.  And with Flotsam, they were definitely supporting their best album ever, so, yeah, I think you need to lay off the hallucinogens.  Flotsam have NEVER equaled Drift, and I don't think they ever will. 

And, yeah, I remember Korn as well.  And Fear Factory.  Didn't care for either of them.  But Flotsam and Megadeth made it worthwhile.  Both bands were completely ON for that show.

I wish Def leppard would've released a collection of their Hysteria B Sides. They were better than the album.

Uh...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro_Active  :lol  As for being "better than the album," I am assuming you know the story behind those songs, right?  They WERE the album before Joe and the guys decided to re-record the entire thing because of Thriller.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 05, 2014, 01:20:20 PM
I spent the entire Korn set in the lobby. Yes, Fear Factory. That was it.

I am assuming you know the story behind those songs, right?  They WERE the album before Joe and the guys decided to re-record the entire thing because of Thriller.
I remember them having the album in the can with Jim Steinman as producer. Are you telling me that the b sides were part of that? I would've loved to have heard the Steinman version. Has it ever seen the light of day?

Any mention of Flotsam is a good thing, so I'll just respectfully disagree on Drift.

I think you need to lay off the hallucinogens. 
:lol
Yeah, that would help huh?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
I remember them having the album in the can with Jim Steinman as producer. Are you telling me that the b sides were part of that? I would've loved to have heard the Steinman version. Has it ever seen the light of day?

I don't remember the part about Steinman, but yeah, that could be it.  Yes, the original version of the album had most of what eventually became B-sides with a few of the songs that eventually became part of the album.  I am not sure whether the definitive list of the original tracks has ever been released anywhere.  But basically, yeah, they had the album done with songs like Ring Of Fire and Ride Into The Sun being original album tracks, but Joe and co. were so obsessed with trying to equal Thriller in terms of an album with high-charting singles that they re-did the entire thing.  A couple of times.  That is why the album took so long to release.  The popular excuse at the time was that it was because of Rick's accident, but that actually had very little to do with it.  They just couldn't get an album done that they were happy with that they felt could rival Thriller.

Any mention of Flotsam is a good thing, so I'll just respectfully disagree on Drift.

:biggrin:  I'm just pushing your buttons.  I mean, I really DO feel that way about Drift, but I said it the way I did just to get a rise.  That album just works for me.  And their others don't.  I like a few songs here and there.  But Drift is just the only album that works from start to finish for me.  Different tastes...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 05, 2014, 01:34:01 PM
I distinctly remember a Kerrang article basically saying that the album was done. And then they ended up reworking it. Ride Into The Sun and Ring Of Fire are excellent. I remember buying the 45's at the time. They would all eventually form a puzzle of the album cover.

I seriously almost puked when Hysteria came out.

Speaking of Def Leppard, time has not been Rick Savage's friend.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on December 05, 2014, 11:28:45 PM
If you want an album with stuff like that on it , Retroactive is the way to go.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on December 08, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
Nick Menza is open to rejoining Megadeth.  (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/nick_menza_is_open_to_rejoining_megadeth.html)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 08, 2014, 01:19:20 PM
Well, so am I, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 08, 2014, 01:29:02 PM
Well, so am I, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Yeah but you're Bosk. He's Not!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 08, 2014, 01:30:05 PM
I don't know if the metal world would be able to contain itself if the classic lineup came back. I just don't think Marty would do it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2014, 02:20:56 PM
I don't know if the metal world would be able to contain itself if the classic lineup came back. I just don't think Marty would do it.

Yeah, I simply can't see it either.  Maybe for just a reunion tour or something, but I don't see him rejoining full time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on December 09, 2014, 12:40:39 AM
Well, so am I, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

I didn't know you used to play in Megadeth!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
Well, so am I, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

I didn't know you used to play in Megadeth!

No, I used to play with Megadeth.  As in, they were my plaything.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on December 09, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
Now you just play with madness ! :neverusethis:










Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 09, 2014, 05:07:56 PM
I remember as a kid I used to play with my toys and I'd always make Megadeth touch Spice Girls in inappropriate areas
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on December 09, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
Dave Mustard Stain touching The Spice Rack Girls in their Zig A Zig Ahs ?!  :o
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 09, 2014, 06:54:40 PM
In before Chris Poland/Gar Samuelson rejoining.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Metro on December 09, 2014, 07:20:21 PM
Gar Samuelson kinda died

But he was the best drummer the band ever had IMO. Followed by Menza.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 09, 2014, 07:22:06 PM
Gar Samuelson kinda died

I'll believe it when I hear it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 10, 2014, 03:09:24 AM
lol necrodrummer
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 10, 2014, 04:30:04 AM
Gar Samuelson kinda died

I'll believe it when I hear it.

It's true bro.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 10, 2014, 08:19:41 AM
Yeah he died a long time ago. I don't think Chris would rejoin. He seemed bored with Megadeth even in the 80s.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 10, 2014, 08:24:44 AM
Looks like Poland is busy...with Menza.
https://bravewords.com/news/chris-poland-nick-menza-and-james-lomenzo-discuss-new-megadeth-alumni-project-on-inside-metal-video-streaming
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 10, 2014, 11:48:40 AM
That seems like it could be incredibly cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on December 12, 2014, 09:33:47 AM
Could this video have the new drummer in it? Filmed by Dave Mustaine's son Justis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae0iRUAZi68
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 12, 2014, 10:51:40 AM
Lot of people in the comments saying it's Menza because reasons. I don't know if any of them actually know what they're talking about or just trying to invoke the law of attraction.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 12, 2014, 01:26:29 PM
Looks like Poland is busy...with Menza.
https://bravewords.com/news/chris-poland-nick-menza-and-james-lomenzo-discuss-new-megadeth-alumni-project-on-inside-metal-video-streaming

This sparks my interest much more than Megadeth at the moment.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on December 14, 2014, 11:54:46 PM
...They should just call it The Daves.

nah. MegaDave for sure. i s'pose MegaDave(s), if you must.

personally, ive had them labelled as MegaDave & The DethBoyz for a decade, circa.

There are strong signs of the RIP lineup getting back together so my money is on that right now

Signs where? where signs?
https://www.wolverinekills.com/2014/11/29/megadeth-rust-in-peace-line-up-reuniting/

here's what you can read into that...wishful thinking on Ellefson's part. kinda funny that he could'nt give two shits about following Marty (or Nick) until said wishfulness.

anyway, i can't really say much about Nick. all's i know about him is he's playing with two other former MegaDave members in a new band these days (funny, none of the three ever actually played together in Megadeth; a meeting of different eras, kinda neat).
but as for Marty, well, he just put out an album that probably trumps the best of MegaDave's releases. apparently no one's aware of it, as i don't see it in anyone's albums of the year lists, but he's done a shit ton of press for it...and i think in just about every interview, he's been asked about reuniting the classic Megadave lineup, and the guy doesn't sound interested in the slightest.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Deathless on December 15, 2014, 01:33:34 PM
Supposedly the mystery drummer is Tony Laureano, who's the band's drum tech and has also played in a bunch of metal bands in the past.

It makes sense though. Why not give him a shot first? Plus, he's probably a lot cheaper than Drover. I just can't see Mustaine and his ego letting someone like Lombardo or Jordison in the band.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 15, 2014, 06:10:53 PM
Makes sense, wasn't Chuck Behler Gar Samuelson's drum tech or summat?  Or was Nick Menza Chuck Behler's drum tech. I forget.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on December 16, 2014, 03:40:59 AM
Makes sense, wasn't Chuck Behler Gar Samuelson's drum tech or summat?  Or was Nick Menza Chuck Behler's drum tech. I forget.

Chuck Behler was Gar Samuelson's drum tech and Nick Menza was Chuck Behler's drum tech.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 16, 2014, 03:42:00 AM
Ha!  Double right.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on December 16, 2014, 06:14:40 AM
I had a hard time remembering who Chuck Behler was.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 16, 2014, 06:25:38 AM
I saw them almost as many times with Chuck Behler(2) as I did with Nick Menza (3).


Makes sense, wasn't Chuck Behler Gar Samuelson's drum tech or summat?  Or was Nick Menza Chuck Behler's drum tech. I forget.

Chuck Behler was Gar Samuelson's drum tech and Nick Menza was Chuck Behler's drum tech.
Is this actually true?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 16, 2014, 12:07:48 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 17, 2014, 03:49:14 AM
I think I remember reading the stor(ies)y in the liner notes of the remasters in the early 2000s. I could be wrong.  It couldve been on the Realms of Deth, love that site.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 17, 2014, 08:37:37 AM
It was mentioned in liner notes, the Arsenal of Megadeth DVD, Mustaine's autobiography, everywhere really. :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 17, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
Haven't seen the Arsenal of Megadeth thing...

Its not on Realms of Deth, I just checked.  Great info on the albums tho that I read probably bi-annually lulz
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 17, 2014, 03:29:59 PM
I wonder what Broderick has to say.
https://bravewords.com/news/former-megadeth-guitarist-chris-broderick-to-discuss-musical-future-on-liquid-metal-this-evening
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 21, 2014, 07:56:10 AM
Cool interview with Ellefson:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/dave_ellefson_ive_always_been_a_big_fan_of_lyric-writing_bass_players.html?no_takeover
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: npiazza91 on December 22, 2014, 01:19:05 AM
Megadeth just happens to be my favorite band.  How would you guys rank the albums?  I'll do mine, but be warned, it's controversial. I've been listening to Megadeth consistently for 8 years and while that might not be a lot for some of you, I've lstened to every song many, many times.

14. Killing is My Business- Yes...this is the worst in my opinion.  It's very muddy sounding and doesn't flow well at all.  It sounds like garbage, to be perfectly honest.  That being said, I love TSBTS, Mechanix and LRLTD.  But other than that, this album gets very little love from me.  Moving on...

13. Super Collider- Wow, what a disappointment this new album was.  While it's not the worst, it's up there.  Kingmaker, Cold Sweat and especially Dance in the Rain save this album from being complete crap.

12. Risk- The most inconsistent album in Megadeth's entire discography.  Prince of Darkness, Ecstasy, Wanderlust, Breadline and maybe Insomnia make the album stand on its own but it's not enough.  There's too much crap in the middle.  That being said, the songs I mentioned from this album are pretty amazing and are criminally underrated.  This album as a whole isn't as bad as people make it out to be, just very inconsistent.

11. Countdown to Extinction- Extremely overrated.  I don't know what the fuss is with this album.  I guess it's too "mainstream" for my tastes.  That being said, FOAD, TWML, CTE, Psychotron, Captive Honor and especially AIYM make this album a lot better than it would be otherwise.  While songs like SOD and SB aren't bad, they receive much more praise than they deserve, in my opinion.  I also hate this album's guitar tone, it sounds completely dead to me, with no ring to it.  Oh yeah, and I HATE Skin O' My Teeth, one of Megadeth's worst songs.

10. The World Needs a Hero- I used to like this album a lot, but I find myself coming back to it less and less.  The problem with it is, like Risk, it is very inconsistent.  There are some great songs here, but also some crap scattered around as well.  Still, 1000 Times Goodbye, BB and RFH...WH are amazing songs that shouldn't be passed up.  It's most of the other ones you have to worry about.

9. Cryptic Writings- Like TWNAH and Risk, this album is also very inconsistent.  Trust, AH, She-Wolf and Vortex are amazing, but the rest kind of falls flat.  Eh, I guess "A Secret Place" and "Disintegrators" ain't too bad.  This album gets the edge over TWNAH because it's simply more fun to listen to.  Also, if you have the remastered edition, "The Evil That's Within" makes "Sin" about 1000 times better.

8. The System Has Failed- A solid come back album, though it's still lacking something.  I can't exactly pin point why this album is either good or bad, because I like it, but I don't exactly love it either.  Some great songs here, some ok songs.  It feels like a thrash version of CTE; a dull guitar sound combined with a faster tempo overall.  Still a solid album, though.

7.  So Far, So Good...So What!- A very underrated album.  STWA, IMDH and HIM lift this album into almost amazing status.  Liar ain't half bad either.  The rest I can live without, but overall this album gets way too much hate.  It's a very solid thrash album that often gets overlooked because of the two giants sitting between.

6. United Abominations- The first album on this list that I would say is "great".  Not much to complain about here, except for maybe "Amerikhastan".  The perfect blend between thrash and regular heavy metal, this album hits all the marks without going over and above.  A great album from beginning to end.

5. Rust In Peace- Yeah, I have RIP at number five, sue me.  Overall, yeah it's a great album, but it's just overrated in my eyes.  The first two tracks don't do much for me, to be honest.  The rest is stellar, but something about this album just doesn't "wow" me as much as the ones higher on this list.  I don't know.

4. Thirteen- The single most underrated album in Megadeth's discography.  There's not one terrible song on here, and this album is pretty much the perfect metal album.  Sure, it's not that thrashy, but this album shows that Megadeth is more than capable of making a great metal record.  Great album from beginning to end.  There's so much power in that guitar.

3. Youthanasia- One of my personal favorites.  Yeah, it's a bit slow, but the tone of the instruments sends shivers down my spin. This album is dark and extremely heavy.  The darkness and heaviness of it just draws me in and the song writing here is top notch.  Not a single thing to complain about here.

2. Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?- One of my favorite albums of all time.  This album has only been matched by one other Megadeth album.  Pretty much perfect from beginning to end, with maybe only "I Ain't Superstitious" as a slightly weak link.

1. Endgame- And I though PSBWB would never be beaten?  Well, I was wrong.  Endgame is perfect, and is easily in my top 5 albums of all time, maybe even top 3.  It has everything.  It's heavy, it's light, it's dark, it's badass, it's fast, it's slow at times, man this album blows most other albums out of the water.  I don't think this album will ever be beaten by Megadeth...ever.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on December 22, 2014, 02:15:48 AM
Wow, that is a rather controversial list. I'll do mine without write-ups, but it will be quite different from yours. From worst to best:

14. Risk
13. Thirteen
12. United abominations
11. Endgame
10. The World needs a hero
9. Super collider
8. Yothanasia
7. Peace sells... but who's bying
6. So far, so good... so what?
5. The System has failed
4. Rust in peace
3. Cryptic writings
2. Killing is my business
1. Countdown to extinction
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Art on December 22, 2014, 03:33:58 AM
Here´s mine:

14: Supercollider (the only one that i think is absolutely crap. every other record has at least 50% of good stuff IMHO)
13: Thirteen (huh?  ;) )
12: United Abominations
11: The World Needs a Hero
10: Killing Is My Business
09: Endgame
08: So Far, So Good...
07: Peace Sells
06: Risk
05: The System Has Failed
04: Cryptic Writings
03: Rust in Peace
02: Countdown to Extinction
01: Youthanasia

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: CharlesPL on December 22, 2014, 03:46:47 AM

Rest:
6. Countdown to Extinction
5. The System Has Failed
4. Youthanasia
3. So far, So Good ....
2. Peace Sells
1. Rust in Peace
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 22, 2014, 04:09:29 AM
1. Youthanasia
2. The System Has Failed
3. Cryptic Writings
4. Rust in Peace
5. Peace Sells
6. United Abominations
7. Countdown to Extinction
8. The World Needs A Hero
9. So Far, So Good
10. Risk
11. Supercollider
12. Killing is my Business
13. Endgame
14. Thirteen
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on December 22, 2014, 04:12:46 AM
14. Super Collider
13. Risk
12. Cryptic Writings
11. Thirteen
10. Countdown to Extinction
09. The World Needs a Hero
08. United Abominations
07. Killing is my Businness... And Business Is Good!
06. So Far, So Good... So What!
05. The System Has Failed
04. Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
03. Endgame
02. Youthanasia
01. Rust in Peace
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 22, 2014, 04:48:56 AM
Good to see the Youthanasia love.  Top 10 album of all time for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 22, 2014, 06:53:28 AM
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):

1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown
4. The World
5. United
6. Killing
7. So Far
8. Cryptic
9. Endgame
10. Rust
11. Risk
12. 13
13. Super
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Art on December 22, 2014, 07:46:33 AM
Good to see the Youthanasia love.  Top 10 album of all time for me.

YEAH!  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: npiazza91 on December 22, 2014, 07:57:27 AM
What do you guys have against Thirteen?  I'll admit, when it came out I thought it was a massive disappointment after Endgame.  But then I stopped looking at it as a thrash album and thought of it as a straight up heavy metal album.  These songs are definitely growers, and the more you listen to it, the more you'll find those little gems like Deadly Nightshade, Wrecker, Fast Lane and Black Swan.  Overall, I don't think there's a weak song on that album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on December 22, 2014, 08:02:34 AM
I don't think there's a great song on that album. Even the ones that are good are just slightly above average in my opinion. Such a bland and uninteresting collection of tracks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 22, 2014, 09:01:52 AM
1. ...And Justice For All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride the Lightning
4.The Black Album
5. Kill 'em All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Load
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 22, 2014, 01:42:18 PM
1. ...And Justice For All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride the Lightning
4.The Black Album
5. Kill 'em All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Load
9. St. Anger
:tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on December 22, 2014, 03:29:36 PM
What do you guys have against Thirteen?  I'll admit, when it came out I thought it was a massive disappointment after Endgame.  But then I stopped looking at it as a thrash album and thought of it as a straight up heavy metal album.  These songs are definitely growers, and the more you listen to it, the more you'll find those little gems like Deadly Nightshade, Wrecker, Fast Lane and Black Swan.  Overall, I don't think there's a weak song on that album.

I think that as an album, it just doesn't really hold up. I really only like the title track. Millenium of the Blind and Black Swan are pretty sweet as well, but I prefer the original versions of those two tracks, and the rest just doesn't interest me. Okay, Sudden Death is alright, I suppose.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: npiazza91 on December 22, 2014, 11:26:43 PM
1. ...And Justice For All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride the Lightning
4.The Black Album
5. Kill 'em All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Load
9. St. Anger

Actually it's more like:

1. Ride the Lightning
2. Death Magnetic
3. ...And Justice For All
4. Master of Puppets
5. Kill 'Em All
6. Metallica
7. Load
8. ReLoad
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dark Castle on December 22, 2014, 11:30:04 PM
1. Hatebreeder
2. Follow The Reaper
3. Are You Dead Yet?
4. Blooddrunk
5. Something Wild
6. Hate Crew Deathroll
7. Halo of Blood
8. Relentless Reckless Forever

Geez ya dinguses, get it right.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on December 23, 2014, 09:30:43 AM
https://twitter.com/DaveMustaine/status/547178093333315584

"I wish @Megadeth fans could know what is going on right now…you would be very happy!"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on December 23, 2014, 09:37:17 AM
Phil Rudd :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 23, 2014, 09:38:19 AM
Phil Rudd :metal
Clearly the best fit for any band.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on December 23, 2014, 11:17:56 AM
Phil Rudd :metal
Clearly the best fit for any band.  :lol

Trying to get him in the studio is murder :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on December 23, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
Deth Warmed Up

(https://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/11/06/1227114/544083-6bbdb04a-6554-11e4-9c0d-89afc213d2de.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 23, 2014, 02:29:52 PM
In before Hammett/Ulrich reveal.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Art on December 24, 2014, 03:30:28 AM
In before Hammett/Ulrich reveal.

 :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on December 25, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):

1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown

I don't see how anyone who put PSBWB and CTE that high could dislike Holy Wars (maybe the greatest Megadeth song ever), Hangar 18, Tornado of Souls...  :\
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 25, 2014, 04:23:12 PM

Actually it's more like:

2. Death Magnetic


lolopinion
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 25, 2014, 09:42:40 PM
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):

1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown

I don't see how anyone who put PSBWB and CTE that high could dislike Holy Wars (maybe the greatest Megadeth song ever), Hangar 18, Tornado of Souls...  :\

I don't like Holy Wars, I don't like Hangar 18, I don't like Tornado of Souls, I don't like Five Magics, I don't like Poison Was the Cure, I don't like Take No Prisoners.... I do quite enjoy Rust in Peace.... Polaris. I like straight forward thrash that I can headbang to with a generic beat, and RiP has Dave's most unique songwriting. PSBWB is much more straight forward thrash.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 25, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):

1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown

I don't see how anyone who put PSBWB and CTE that high could dislike Holy Wars (maybe the greatest Megadeth song ever), Hangar 18, Tornado of Souls...  :\

That's actually how opinions work.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on December 26, 2014, 04:07:29 AM
1. Hatebreeder
2. Follow The Reaper
3. Are You Dead Yet?
4. Blooddrunk
5. Something Wild
6. Hate Crew Deathroll
7. Halo of Blood
8. Relentless Reckless Forever

Geez ya dinguses, get it right.

Blooddrunk above Something Wild, HCR and Halo of Blood? Now I've seen everything. :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 26, 2014, 04:14:11 AM
Yeah, Blooddrunk is by far their weakest album IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on December 26, 2014, 05:29:39 AM
I've always disliked Rust in Peace. I don't like any of the songs on that album. Very rough list off the top of my head (will probably even forget some albums):

1. Peace
2. Youth
3. Countdown

I don't see how anyone who put PSBWB and CTE that high could dislike Holy Wars (maybe the greatest Megadeth song ever), Hangar 18, Tornado of Souls...  :\

That's actually how opinions work.

No shit man. He's just surprised is all. Anyways, damn I can't wait to hear what comes out of Megadeth camp soon. Can't wait to catch em on tour
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on December 26, 2014, 10:35:40 PM
That's actually how opinions work.

Not stepping on other people toes but, that was one of the strangest opinions on Megadeth i've ever heard.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 26, 2014, 11:28:59 PM
I do tend to have strange opinions with some bands. I wished I liked RiP, I just don't for whatever reason. I've tried. I think it's because none of the songs are straight forward thrash, none of them groove enough for me, and they don't have enough pure melody to get stuck in my head. A song like The Conjuring has a very straightahead riff that I can groove with. The riffs in Holy Wars, as heavy they are, and as much as others like to mosh to them, don't click with me. I wish Megadeth was a bit less progressive, and I say this as someone that loves progressive music. To make this more confusing, I love progressive thrash bands like Coroner and Watchtower. Imagine that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 28, 2014, 07:06:07 PM
I do tend to have strange opinions with some bands. I wished I liked RiP, I just don't for whatever reason. I've tried. I think it's because none of the songs are straight forward thrash, none of them groove enough for me, and they don't have enough pure melody to get stuck in my head. A song like The Conjuring has a very straightahead riff that I can groove with. The riffs in Holy Wars, as heavy they are, and as much as others like to mosh to them, don't click with me. I wish Megadeth was a bit less progressive, and I say this as someone that loves progressive music. To make this more confusing, I love progressive thrash bands like Coroner and Watchtower. Imagine that.

I can totally understand this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on December 28, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
I do tend to have strange opinions with some bands. I wished I liked RiP, I just don't for whatever reason. I've tried. I think it's because none of the songs are straight forward thrash, none of them groove enough for me, and they don't have enough pure melody to get stuck in my head.

Better if we agree to disagree then because i think RiP has plenty of these things you pointed out.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 29, 2014, 10:12:25 AM
I just don't get that. At all. Rust in Peace is pretty much a smorgasbord of every good quality of thrash and speed metal crammed into 40 minutes. There's plenty of straight-forward thrashing parts (end of Five Magics, end of Holy Wars, all of Take No Prisoners), tons of groovy riffage (Mid-section of Hangar 18, Poison Was the Cure, Lucretia), and some of the best solos ever committed to tape (pick one).

I mean, I can never really say an opinion is flat out WRONG. But god damn...this one's close.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 29, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
I just don't get that. At all. Rust in Peace is pretty much a smorgasbord of every good quality of thrash and speed metal crammed into 40 minutes. There's plenty of straight-forward thrashing parts (end of Five Magics, end of Holy Wars, all of Take No Prisoners), tons of groovy riffage (Mid-section of Hangar 18, Poison Was the Cure, Lucretia), and some of the best solos ever committed to tape (pick one).

I mean, I can never really say an opinion is flat out WRONG. But god damn...this one's close.

From the mind of UMH ushers forth wisdom.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 29, 2014, 12:27:05 PM
On another note, I listened to The System Has Failed today for the first time in literally forever. It's pretty good. The songs are either holy fuck awesome or oppressively mediocre, but there's nothing on it that I outright hate. Poland's playing on it is sick, as expected.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 29, 2014, 07:34:58 PM
I just don't get that. At all. Rust in Peace is pretty much a smorgasbord of every good quality of thrash and speed metal crammed into 40 minutes. There's plenty of straight-forward thrashing parts (end of Five Magics, end of Holy Wars, all of Take No Prisoners), tons of groovy riffage (Mid-section of Hangar 18, Poison Was the Cure, Lucretia), and some of the best solos ever committed to tape (pick one).

I mean, I can never really say an opinion is flat out WRONG. But god damn...this one's close.

The end of Five Magics is very straight forward (and thus it's one of my favorite parts of the album) but Dave's nasally voice singing "I master" kind of ruins it for me. The end of Holy Wars isn't straight forward enough for me. Take No Prisoners has wayyyyyy too much stopping and starting for me to headbang too.

Cryptic Writings has more straight forward (aka simple) thrash moments than RiP (The Disintegrators, FFF) and I coincidentally like that album a lot better!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on December 29, 2014, 07:39:27 PM
I just don't get that. At all. Rust in Peace is pretty much a smorgasbord of every good quality of thrash and speed metal crammed into 40 minutes. There's plenty of straight-forward thrashing parts (end of Five Magics, end of Holy Wars, all of Take No Prisoners), tons of groovy riffage (Mid-section of Hangar 18, Poison Was the Cure, Lucretia), and some of the best solos ever committed to tape (pick one).

I mean, I can never really say an opinion is flat out WRONG. But god damn...this one's close.

The end of Five Magics is very straight forward (and thus it's one of my favorite parts of the album) but Dave's nasally voice singing "I master" kind of ruins it for me. The end of Holy Wars isn't straight forward enough for me. Take No Prisoners has wayyyyyy too much stopping and starting for me to headbang too.

Cryptic Writings has more straight forward (aka simple) thrash moments than RiP (The Disintegrators, FFF) and I coincidentally like that album a lot better!

I'm also in the camp of think RiP is WAAAAYYY over rated, and an average Megadeth album at best.   But you lose me on Holy Wars.  Greatest. Megadeth. Song. EVAH!!!  Maybe even better than any other song from the Big 4 altogether.  (although Angel of Death could contest it)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 29, 2014, 07:50:44 PM
I have to admit, it is hard for me to imagine someone being a Megadeth fan and NOT thinking RIP is a top 3 Megadeth album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 29, 2014, 07:51:56 PM
It's very difficult for me to articulate my admittedly messed up  beliefs, but I enjoy "straight forward" thrash, and the thrash songs that I enjoy are both straight forward in drums and guitars. If one of the drums or guitars aren't straight forward enough, I don't enjoy it.

Case in point:

The Devil's Island verse riff from :53 - 1:16. I don't like it. The guitar riff is great. It's galloping and thrashy and simple and I like it. But the drums are too slow. The drums don't match the galloping momentum that the riffs give you. The drums lag behind. I don't like that riff.

The Poison Was the Cure verse riff from 1:00 - 1:35. I don't like it. It's the opposite of DI. The drums this time are very simple and thrashy, but the guitar riff isn't a classic Metallica e-string chuggathon, it's a Dave Mustaine middle of the guitar neck screwaround. Notice that this sounds like 95% of Dave's riffs.

Dave Mustaine has a very unique style of riffing, it's very symphonic as opposed to the braindead chuggachuggachugga DUH chuggachuggachugga DUH riffs that James Hetfield is known for. Maybe this is the best way of explaining my distain for Mustaine. I like my riffs to be simple and Black Sabbath inspired. Lots of palm muted machine gun riffs on the e string. This is why Disposable Heroes is my sort of thing, and any "mediocre" Megadeth song that resembles this (think FFF) is enjoyable to me, while the Megadeth classics (Poison Was The Cure) sound like poop to me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 29, 2014, 07:57:55 PM
I get what you are saying.  Intellectually, I get it.  But it is just hard to identify with.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on December 29, 2014, 08:16:29 PM
Part of it (and I'll admit I'm being really hipster at this point) is just having been there from the beginning. 

It's hard to look at people dumping all this praise on later day "big 4" albums, and completely blowing off the earlier work.   When my friends and I were first falling in love with thrash...there was no Master of Puppets, or Reign in Blood, or Rust In Peace, or Among the Living.   (and there was *absolutely* no Black Album, Seasons in the Abyss, Countdown to Extinction or State of Euphoria).    We were 16 years old, and we were so in love with Ride the Lightning, Hell Awaits, Killing is My Business, and Spreading the Disease that we had pretty much given up listening to anything from old school bands like Judas Priest and Ozzy.    We loved it BECAUSE it was so much more extreme than what anyone else was doing, it just made us want more.   So we dug deeper, and found bands like Sodom, Kreator, Destruction, Venom...and basically anything on the Combat, Metal Blade or Megaforce labels.   

So hearing our beloved *extreme* acts release things like CtE and TBA was a major let down.     But RiP is good...I just happen to like So Far So Good better (my personal favorite Megadeth album)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on December 29, 2014, 08:23:44 PM
Your personal experiences definitely have a huge influence on how you experience and remember media. I came into Megadeth when I was in elementary school. The only band I really knew was Metallica, and I desperately wanted a Metallica 2.0. When I saved up my allowance and found that Megadeth was nothing like Metallica (they really aren't), I was heartbroken, and that disappointment as a 13 year is probably influencing why I find it hard to enjoy them as an adult. It's not entirely that obviously, I can go years without hearing Megadeth, go in with a totally clear head, and hate everything I hear. My childhood experiences perhaps shaped the patterns of logic I follow? I certainly have reasons for why I dislike Megadeth songs, but if I had a slightly different childhood experience, maybe I would have "evolved" differently and been a different person who enjoys Dave Mustaine style riffs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 29, 2014, 08:24:08 PM
I heard some of the earlier stuff, but it never did anything for me.  Master of Puppets was the first thrash I heard that I even kind of liked.  But never bought it.  Heard plenty of early Megadeth and did not like.  Heard AJFA and liked it, but didn't buy it (not at first).  Grew to like it more and more, and bought the Black album on release day.  Then I went back and got RTL, Puppets and AJFA and loved those as well.  Heard RiP, but it still didn't quite click with me.  CTE is what good me hooked, and then I went back and fell in love with RiP by the time Youthanasia and Hidden Treasures were out.  But I never liked the earlier albums from those bands and still don't (and never liked Slayer or Anthrax at all).  I guess I'm not an "old school thrash fan," by definition.  But to me, those albums by those two bands were the epitome of all that was good about the genre.  That is my "golden age of thrash" for me personally. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 29, 2014, 10:22:47 PM
Cryptic Writings has more straight forward (aka simple) thrash moments than RiP (The Disintegrators, FFF) and I coincidentally like that album a lot better!
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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 30, 2014, 02:17:46 PM
Your personal experiences definitely have a huge influence on how you experience and remember media. I came into Megadeth when I was in elementary school. The only band I really knew was Metallica, and I desperately wanted a Metallica 2.0. When I saved up my allowance and found that Megadeth was nothing like Metallica (they really aren't), I was heartbroken, and that disappointment as a 13 year is probably influencing why I find it hard to enjoy them as an adult.
Dude, you were 13 in elementary school?? Well, now that explains everything! :lol


So hearing our beloved *extreme* acts release things like CtE and TBA was a major let down.     But RiP is good...I just happen to like So Far So Good better (my personal favorite Megadeth album)
J Dude. Thank you. Yes, CtE was a huge letdown, and I did not care for Youth either. I was done with Megadeth at that point. And SFSGSW is also MY fave too. But RiP is a friggin' masterpiece. I don't know how that can even be debated.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on December 30, 2014, 02:30:01 PM
CtE is pretty much their Black Album, great metal record on his own but, compared to RiP, it sure feels disappointing.
That serves for Youthanasia too, good but disappointing next to CtE.

Back when i was into thrash metal, i didn't care much for these two albums mostly because i wanted the old Megadeth back, i guess.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on December 30, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
CtE is pretty much their Black Album, 
Yes, I agree.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on December 30, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
CtE is pretty much their Black Album, 
Yes, I agree.

I will add that the fact that it followed on the heels of The Black Album just made Dave really pathetic in my eyes.   He started this band wanted to be heavier and more extreme than Metallica.  The chip on his shoulder made him want to "out thrash" the bigger thrash band.   But when he saw Metallica cash in....instead of taking the heavier road, he just followed the trend.    He had a golden opportunity to really put his fist down and make a statement, and instead he just tried to follow in their footsteps.   

I'll agree that Youthanasia was a bit more of the same, but for some reason I liked many of the riffs just a tad better.   I seem to remember that I liked Train of Consequences better than anything off of CtE anyway. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on December 30, 2014, 06:26:54 PM
You guys are crazy.  CtE is excellent beyond reproach. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 31, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
CTE is obviously nowhere near as heavy as the pre-1992 Megadeth, but it's still way the shit heavier than TBA. Same with every Megadeth album and its Metallica "counterpart" so to speak.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on January 01, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
CTE is obviously nowhere near as heavy as the pre-1992 Megadeth, but it's still way the shit heavier than TBA.

Agreed… sounds like some of you guys have never listened to Ashes In Your Mouth before  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on January 01, 2015, 06:40:42 PM
I don't have anything more to add to this conversation other than Dave Mustaine wasn't impressed with bands using symphonies in their music because the band had already done that with Symphony of Destruction. He had also used industrial music in Trent Reznor's remix of Symphony of Destruction, so he wasn't interested in that style of music, and that hey had already "been there, done that."

I sincerely hate Dave Mustaine.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: dreamtheaters#1fan on January 01, 2015, 06:47:06 PM
I don't have anything more to add to this conversation other than Dave Mustaine wasn't impressed with bands using symphonies in their music because the band had already done that with Symphony of Destruction. He had also used industrial music in Trent Reznor's remix of Symphony of Destruction, so he wasn't interested in that style of music, and that hey had already "been there, done that."

I sincerely hate Dave Mustaine.

All of this will weigh heavily in my mind if he ever asks me to marry him.  As it is, though, I can just appreciate the music.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2015, 05:12:14 PM
Just gonna put this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7QaKxfa2kI
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 24, 2015, 06:23:19 PM
That's terrible, man.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 24, 2015, 06:27:51 PM
:P

Unfortunately the song is so overplayed that this is probably the preferable version for me heh.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ishak540m on March 05, 2015, 02:43:31 PM
I don't get why the 2004 remasters had to differ so much from the orginals.  The originals were so much better.  They're like totally different songs.  Different solos, less harmonies, and everything else.  :censored
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cable on March 05, 2015, 05:44:34 PM

I'll agree that Youthanasia was a bit more of the same, but for some reason I liked many of the riffs just a tad better.   I seem to remember that I liked Train of Consequences better than anything off of CtE anyway.


Yup about Youth > CTE. Although it was my first album, which I think taints views at time. But there isn't really a bad song on it, and I liked the more focused direction. And the melodies I felt were just superior.

*goes and adds album to my phone to listen to tomorrow*
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: aprilethereal on March 06, 2015, 12:32:48 AM
Youthanasia is great, CTE has way too much filler.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 06, 2015, 07:59:43 PM
Youthanasia has its fair share of filler towards the end of the album.  CTE is far more consistent.  But I prefer Youth over it.  The first 6-7 songs are outstanding.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mindflux on March 30, 2015, 12:35:52 PM
Quote
CHRIS ADLER of LAMB OF GOD Joins DAVE MUSTAINE in the Studio for New MEGADETH Album
Dave Mustaine, the creative driving force behind original American metal and hard rock crossover giants MEGADETH, and Chris Adler, drummer for the leaders of modern American heavy metal LAMB OF GOD, will join bassist David Ellefson in the creation of MEGADETH's anticipated forthcoming album. Adler will be appearing as a guest on the album and contributing his thundering, hard-hitting, and technically precise style and skill, adding new blood and drive into the mix while staying true to MEGADETH's roots.
Dave Mustaine comments, "Chris is a tremendous talent, and an amazing person. He is going to bring a new level of excitement and energy to MEGADETH that the fans are going to lose their minds over. I have nothing but respect for my previous drummers, but this is going to absolutely KILL! Back in 1989, MEGADETH originally worked as a three piece - guitar, bass and drums - when we laid down the framework to our GRAMMY® nominated platinum album 'Rust In Peace'. I want to thank the other members of Lamb Of God for allowing this opportunity to take place for all of us in the metal community."
David Ellefson adds, "Chris has been an endearing friend to us in MEGADETH for many years now, and he truly appreciates our music and its legacy. His drumming has forged such an innovative and ferocious path for metal music and I'm very proud that he is anchoring our rhythm section with us on this new album. I can clearly see a new dawn of 'utmost heaviness' unfolding in MEGADETH's next chapter."
Chris Adler offers, "MEGADETH was the game changer for me. Growing up, there was no other band that meant as much to my musical interest and direction. There is no doubt I would not be doing what I have been doing for the past three decades had I not stumbled across 'Killing Is My Business' and the bible of all metal, 'Peace Sells' in my formative years."
"About 10 years ago, LAMB OF GOD toured with MEGADETH and I was able to share that story with Dave and David, and we have kept in touch ever since", adds Adler. "When Dave called me a while ago and asked if I was interested in making a thrash metal album with him, I felt like I must've been on a hidden camera show. "I was trying to play it cool, but I was speechless other than YES! Once I called my wife and my band guys to let everyone know, I had some time to really think about it and how I can best fit into this situation. I'm coming into this on fire. There is an incredible amount of respect, but the goal here is to make the very best thrash album we can. Together, I believe we can do something very special! Get ready for a very exciting chapter in the MEGADETH legacy."
The new album is the follow up to MEGADETH's 2013 release, Super Collider. Super Collider hit No. 6 on The Billboard 200 and No. 3 on both the Top Rock Albums and Top Hard Rock Albums charts consecutively. To date, MEGADETH has sold more than 38 million albums worldwide and has scored five Top 10 albums, two Top 5 releases.

Chris Alder. nice.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 30, 2015, 01:00:55 PM
Youthanasia has its fair share of filler towards the end of the album.  CTE is far more consistent.  But I prefer Youth over it.  The first 6-7 songs are outstanding.

Youthanasia is great, CTE has way too much filler.

I've never felt that way about either album.  I can honestly say that I listened to both from start to finish, loving pretty much every song along the way.  If anything, it was maybe a couple of the "hits" that did less for me than the deeper cuts.  But definitely nothing that felt like "filler" to me.  It wasn't until Cryptic Writings that I started to feel that way about their albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bertielee on April 02, 2015, 02:54:39 PM
Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html

Yeah, baby!

B.Lee
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mister Gold on April 02, 2015, 03:07:09 PM
Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html

Yeah, baby!

B.Lee

At the very least, this should result in some personable guitar solos. Hopefully the album as a whole turns out great too though! :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on April 02, 2015, 03:08:22 PM
I have no idea who that is.  But here's the thing:  Mustaine always finds great guitarists to work with.  But at the end of the day, he writes the songs, so whoever they have on guitar really doesn't mean a whole lot.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on April 02, 2015, 03:14:58 PM
So Dave Mustaine, Kiko Loureiro, Dave Ellefson and Chris Adler? That's a good line-up.

Shame that Mustaine is probably going to botch it with subpar songs again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 02, 2015, 05:23:10 PM
Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html

Yeah, baby!

B.Lee

My interest in Megadeth has reignited.  Chris was quite a boring guitarist IMO and didn't add anything to the band.  Expect amazing guitar solos on this new album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 07, 2015, 09:17:31 PM
Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html

Yeah, baby!

B.Lee

My interest in Megadeth has reignited.  Chris was quite a boring guitarist IMO and didn't add anything to the band.  Expect amazing guitar solos on this new album.
Endgame was full of magnificent soloing. No idea what would be constituted as boring.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2015, 11:01:26 PM
Kiko Loureiro as new Megadeth guitarist.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/kiko_loureiro_of_angra_is_officially_the_new_megadeth_guitarist.html

Yeah, baby!

B.Lee

My interest in Megadeth has reignited.  Chris was quite a boring guitarist IMO and didn't add anything to the band.  Expect amazing guitar solos on this new album.
Endgame was full of magnificent soloing. No idea what would be constituted as boring.

I didn't care for Endgame at all.  I might have to listen again based on your praise, but Chris in Megadeth just didn't do it for me.  He's technically an amazing guitarist but I just find his style in the band didn't work that well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on April 08, 2015, 03:32:19 AM
I have somewhat low expectations for Adler and Kiko because it doesn't sound like they are band members, but just filling in for studio work.  That can still produce something great, but it lowers the odds.  I'm hoping Kiko decides to treat this as his chance to broaden his fanbase and therefore puts his all into it, as opposed to saving the "good stuff" for his home band, Angra.

And Lamb of God really doesn't need crossover Megadeth fans.  Probably the other way around at this point.  So Adler might just be doing it for the experience.  Influenced by Megadeth, so here's a chance for him to say he was on an album of one of his influences.

I can only assume Mustaine's problem is that Megadeth obtained just enough success that he a) no longer gets honest feedback and b) feels like he knows what he's doing and doesn't need advice from people that were never as big as Megadeth once was, c) a combination of both.

It isn't that I hate new Megadeth, I just don't love it like I did in the 80s and 90s.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on April 08, 2015, 05:14:58 AM
I get the low expectations based on these guys do seem like studio musicians, but since it's Megadeth, I don't really have an issue with it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 11, 2015, 09:30:04 PM
Christ, the soloing in Dialectic Chaos and This Day We Fight! is enough to get me at least a 3/4 chub.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2015, 03:14:51 PM
Just bumping to post that I just finished Mustaine's book. Anyone else check it out?

Oh, and Wolfie, Endgame is awesome.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 01, 2015, 04:40:57 PM
Oh, and Wolfie, Endgame is awesome.

Alright alright, I'll get the cd out and put it in the car today.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2015, 04:55:57 PM
It's not like El Dorado levels of awesome, but it's not bad.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 01, 2015, 05:00:07 PM
It's not like El Dorado levels of awesome, but it's not bad.

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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 02, 2015, 04:34:43 AM
Just bumping to post that I just finished Mustaine's book. Anyone else check it out?

Yeah I enjoyed that for what it was.  I had to constantly remind myself that Mustaine is most likely full of shit and tells porkies 90% of the time to make himself look awesome. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on June 03, 2015, 01:58:31 PM
Just bumping to post that I just finished Mustaine's book. Anyone else check it out?

I read it about a year ago.  It's aight.  Too much focus on drugs/alcohol/rehab etc, and not enough focus on the music side of things.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2015, 02:10:34 PM
I didn't know you read it. Cool. Yeah, I would be more interested in the band than the constant drug use plus as Sneak mentions, Mustaine is usually full of shit.
You just don't know what to believe, really.

I thought he was quite fair to Jeff Young in the book. I recently heard one of Jeff's podcasts where rip rips Mustaine for all kinds of untruths perpetuated about his time in the band.

I was hoping to hear a little more about Ellefson throughout the years, specifically about the split and reunion.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 03, 2015, 10:43:31 PM
Oh, and Wolfie, Endgame is awesome.

Alright, I popped Endgame in the car over the last 2 days and have found myself spinning it about 3 or 4 times.  It's amazing how an album can just change on you as it ages.  As I said I didn't care for it at all.  I don't know why, it just didn't do it for me when it came out.  It sounded good but nothing stuck, which is strange for Megadeth.

I gotta say, I'm happy to be corrected, this is a cracking album!  I really don't know how I didn't care for it.  The songs are really strong and doesn't overstay its welcome.  I'm not a huge fan of Chris still, but on this the solos are great, and Dave is no slouch either.  Great mix and production, nice choruses, classic Deth and lots of lead breaks.  The song structures are nice too.  There's a couple in there that are just average but nothing I wanted to skip over.  How weird.

I also popped in SuperCollider as I remembered that I actually thought that was a pretty good album when it came out.  I was wrong, it's crap.  My opinions on both of these albums have completely flipped!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2015, 06:50:51 AM
Welcome back, Wolfie! :D

Yeah, Endgame totally sucks you in with the One Two punch of Dialectic Chaos/ This Day We Fight, modeled after Into The Lungs Of Hell/ Set The World Afire from SFSGSW, which is my fave from them.
It doesn't let you go until you realize you are halfway through the album.

After Endgame, I had huge expectations for this lineup, but they definitely took a step back with the next two releases.

After SFSGSW and RiP, I put Endgame right up there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on June 04, 2015, 02:36:19 PM
you were pretty mixed up, hey Wolfster?!
SC is his only unlistenable output, while Endgame is Dave's best release since at least Hidden Treasures.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 04, 2015, 03:59:03 PM
Yeah, I still have it in the car and will keep spinning it today.  Dunno what I was thinking.  Maybe when it was released I just wasn't in the Megadeth mood.  The funny thing is, I did go back to it a couple of times because of the positive reviews, but it still gave me nothing.  I don't ever remember totally backflipping on an album like this.  A nice surprise though.

The first two are killer, 44 Minutes and Bodies and good too.  Headcrusher is solid and I love Sealed with A Kiss...The Hardest Part of Letting Go.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2015, 06:39:18 PM
Yeah, I still have it in the car and will keep spinning it today.  Dunno what I was thinking.  Maybe when it was released I just wasn't in the Megadeth mood.  The funny thing is, I did go back to it a couple of times because of the positive reviews, but it still gave me nothing.  I don't ever remember totally backflipping on an album like this.  A nice surprise though.

The first two are killer, 44 Minutes and Bodies and good too.  Headcrusher is solid and I love Sealed with A Kiss...The Hardest Part of Letting Go.
:metal :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cable on June 04, 2015, 07:11:34 PM
https://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/tom-araya-says-the-big-four-will-never-happen-again-because-of-politics-of-character-in-one-particular-band

Older article I came across, and I'm probably re-treading something in this thread. I don't honestly have the time to scour threads for it; search was blank.

No new news, but dammit if Mustaine isn't the largest butt opening ever. It's a shame too, because he number #2 in my book out the four music writing wise. But every other individual in the bands, including Lars, are much more likable than him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 04, 2015, 07:15:45 PM
I don't think Tom and Kerry would be easy to get on with either.  Not saying that has anything to do with this article but Kerry is a big a dick as Dave is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on June 04, 2015, 08:20:42 PM
I don't think Tom and Kerry would be easy to get on with either.  Not saying that has anything to do with this article but Kerry is a big a dick as Dave is.

I always thought Tom sounded like a really down to earth guy.    Kerry OTOH  :\ .   That guy is the most anti-social prick this side of Geoff Tate.  Dave is just an annoying whiner.   Kerry is just a complete ass.   
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on June 04, 2015, 08:24:38 PM
Sounds like they could easily put together The Big 4 wankers between them without even calling Lars.  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 04, 2015, 08:27:46 PM
Sounds like they could easily put together The Big 4 wankers between them without even calling Lars.  ;D

Lars would still get butthurt that he wasn't invited.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on June 05, 2015, 09:53:15 AM
Slayer aren't bigger than MegaDave, are they?!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Randaran on June 05, 2015, 06:33:35 PM
Yeah, Endgame is amazing. I would say that it even beats out PS, RiP, and Youthanasia (the remainder of my top 4)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cable on June 07, 2015, 08:56:54 PM
Slayer aren't bigger than MegaDave, are they?!

I think the fanbase is. Slayer has never been as big as Megadeth commercially. But to me, the fans are more loyal and rabid, and I would not be surprised if Slayer drew bigger crowds. I have nothing to support that however.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on June 07, 2015, 09:13:50 PM
I don't even like them anymore, and even I can tell you that Slayer has retained more of their core loyal audience than any of the other big 4. Slayer fans are just a whole new level of "they can do no wrong" fanatical.

Though I'm thinking that with, not one but two core members gone, it will fall off the table now. Kerry kicking out Dave and then trying to CPR this brain dead corpse is just a joke.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Randaran on June 08, 2015, 10:52:05 PM
I don't even like them anymore, and even I can tell you that Slayer has retained more of their core loyal audience than any of the other big 4. Slayer fans are just a whole new level of "they can do no wrong" fanatical.

And I have no idea why. The quality of their work took a steep nosedive after Divine Intervention (which is already the weakest of their first six), and has only slightly recovered since then. Now that Jeff died and Dave was kicked out, there is no hope for a return to glory.

Of the other Big 4 bands, I have not listened to much of Anthrax's work. Metallica's debut was ok, the next four albums were great, I have not listened to the Loads, and everything since then is not all that good. Megadeth fared a bit better, as they released a few good albums after Youthanasia (namely UA and my personal favorite of theirs, Endgame), but the second half of their discography is still rather underwhelming. I'd say that, of these bands, Megadeth has the most potential right now, as two of their four most recent releases were pretty good (compared to what may be a similar number for Metallica, though their last four albums were released over a much larger time span, and 0/4 for Slayer, even though I am somewhat fond of World Painted Blood).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on June 10, 2015, 06:37:27 AM
How many people have been in Megadeth Vs Slayer ?

I'm not an expert - but hasn't Slayer always been Tom, Kerry and Jeff with the drumstool being filled by Lombardo & Bostaph at regular intervals ?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on June 10, 2015, 08:04:07 AM
In the studio, yes.  However, Hanneman hadn't performed live with Slayer since 2011.   It's been Exodus' Gary Holt since then.  Since Holt wasn't allowed to contribute to the songwriting ("Fans aren't ready for it", according to King), Repentless will be all Tom and Kerry.  I'm not holding out too much hope.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 10, 2015, 08:06:48 AM
Wow, didn't know that about not letting Holt write. That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cable on June 10, 2015, 03:36:59 PM
Slayer has a sound that has to be maintained basically. Kerry said it years ago that he and Jeff were the police of their riffs. If a riff sounded too happy or maybe not evil enough, it was immediately thrown out. I reckon the same applies to the noise sections, err, solo sections.

I do not know anything about Holt's style, but I'm guessing Kerry wanted to ensure the continued Slayer sound.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on June 10, 2015, 05:17:48 PM
Well if Holt has no royaltiy from the albums - he probably just gets paid a wage to go on tour - good job he has Exodus or he'd make almost no money from Slayer at all.

Especially if they haven't sorted out that thing that Lombardo uncovered.

And does Bostaph have another band ? Because drummers get sod all writing credits.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 10, 2015, 06:25:07 PM
Good point K-boy. That is definitely about money. Sorry C-X, the musical integrity of Slayer does not compute.

If Steve Harris, who is very protective of the Maiden brand and sound, can let Jannick Gers and Blaze Bayley write upon joining the band, then Kerry King is full of shit.

Gary Holt has a respectable pedigree, and might even enhance what is currently going on with Slayer's music, which sadly ain't much.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cable on June 10, 2015, 07:21:55 PM
I did not mean to imply that's what I believed (although their stuff is pretty stock), just what KK said. He is always trying to maintain his image, even if he is a complete tool about it at times.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on June 28, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
The Holt songwriting thing reminds me a bit of the Mangini-DT-ADTOE thing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 28, 2015, 01:51:27 PM
The Holt songwriting thing reminds me a bit of the Mangini-DT-ADTOE thing.

How so? With ADToE, John wrote the basic parts and let Mike interpret them with his own style. With Slayer it's just Kerry King controlling everything.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on June 28, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
In the studio, yes.  However, Hanneman hadn't performed live with Slayer since 2011.   It's been Exodus' Gary Holt since then.  Since Holt wasn't allowed to contribute to the songwriting ("Fans aren't ready for it", according to King), Repentless will be all Tom and Kerry.  I'm not holding out too much hope.

Well...to be fair...it's my understanding that 2 or possibly 3 of Hanneman's contributions (things he had written and recorded before he died) will be included on the release.   I'm not sure if his final actual recordings will be incorporated or not, but at least two of his writing contributions are going to be on the album. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: XB0BX on June 28, 2015, 04:46:19 PM
Especially if they haven't sorted out that thing that Lombardo uncovered.

I'm curious to know what this is about.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: pain of occupation on June 29, 2015, 02:14:07 PM
can we change the name to The Slayer Thread yet?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: faizoff on June 30, 2015, 08:34:48 AM
Was just listening to Rust In Peace (Original, not the remaster) today and gotta say it's my favorite Megadeth album still. I think the mix and sonic quality of the album are some of the best for those riffs, the remix is not that bad and I do like the crunchier guitar tone but not a fan of the new snare sound.
Sonics aside, the crushing riffs and crazy solos by both Dave and Marty are some of my favorite Thrash stuff. Not a single dud on the album for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 30, 2015, 03:30:10 PM
The original is so superior to the remaster.  The understated mix is a part of its charm for sure.  The remaster kills a lot of the vibe that makes it so classic.

I just downloaded the album on Rockband to play lol its almost impossible.  Its easier IRL TBH LOL BBQ
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2015, 03:54:29 PM
Was just listening to Rust In Peace (Original, not the remaster) today and gotta say it's my favorite Megadeth album still. I think the mix and sonic quality of the album are some of the best for those riffs, the remix is not that bad and I do like the crunchier guitar tone but not a fan of the new snare sound.
Sonics aside, the crushing riffs and crazy solos by both Dave and Marty are some of my favorite Thrash stuff. Not a single dud on the album for me.

I largely agree, except that, as much as I love that album, I would say Countdown and possibly Youthanasia beat it for "favorites" for me.  But still, such a great album. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2015, 03:58:29 PM
Was just listening to Rust In Peace (Original, not the remaster) today and gotta say it's my favorite Megadeth album still. I think the mix and sonic quality of the album are some of the best for those riffs, the remix is not that bad and I do like the crunchier guitar tone but not a fan of the new snare sound.
Sonics aside, the crushing riffs and crazy solos by both Dave and Marty are some of my favorite Thrash stuff. Not a single dud on the album for me.

I largely agree, except that, as much as I love that album, I would say Countdown and possibly Youthanasia beat it for "favorites" for me.  But still, such a great album.

My favorite is still SFSGSW, but I recognize that RiP is easily their BEST album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on June 30, 2015, 05:22:06 PM
Rust in Peace is amazing. Probably my favourite thrash album of all time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on July 10, 2015, 02:16:26 PM
The Holt songwriting thing reminds me a bit of the Mangini-DT-ADTOE thing.

How so? With ADToE, John wrote the basic parts and let Mike interpret them with his own style. With Slayer it's just Kerry King controlling everything.

Mangini wasn't included in the writing process ... by design.
Holt wasn't included in the writing process ... by design.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Plasmastrike on July 19, 2015, 06:28:43 PM
So Megadeth played their first live show with the new lineup. Sounds like they stuck with playing in D standard. Dave sounds pretty awesome :metal

Sweating Bullets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty7VOHUviic

Tornado of Souls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_fX-O5asDk

Wake Up Dead - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fzt8yvs9uE
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on July 19, 2015, 07:48:21 PM
Nice - three things stand out:

1. Dave sounds fine
2. Kiko doing a great job
3. Everyone sitting down....c'mon ! (and that's from an old fart for whom it's painful to stand up).  Looks weird to me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 19, 2015, 08:36:31 PM
1. Dave sounds fine

Now knowing how generous you are, I know who the first guy I'm asking for rent money will be next time I come up short.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on July 19, 2015, 08:41:46 PM
 ;D 

I only checked out Tornado of Souls , but allowing for it being Dave (who was never a great singer and isn't getting any younger) I thought he sounded okay - which is what I meant by "fine".   Not as in "one of the finest workout videos I have ever seen."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 19, 2015, 08:51:42 PM
Denise Austin or Alyssa Milano on the mind?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2015, 05:21:37 AM
Kiko's TOS solo was the best version since the original.  I loved Glen but that solo kicks the shit out of Glen's and Chris'.  Sounded the most true to Marty while adding some of his own things in there.  Love it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 22, 2015, 08:25:37 AM
Kiko's TOS solo was the best version since the original.  I loved Glen but that solo kicks the shit out of Glen's and Chris'.  Sounded the most true to Marty while adding some of his own things in there.  Love it.

His feel was similar to Marty's. The slightly off-key string bends sounded like the original. If this is Kiko's playing style I'm very excited. Megadeth's guitarists have always been great and Kiko is no exception but it's nice to have someone who isn't a robot playing the leads. And this is coming from someone who's a huge fan of Chris Broderick.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 29, 2015, 05:41:04 AM
New album tracklist apparentely confirmed by Mustaine in a fan club online chat;

01. Death From Within
02. Fatal Illusion
03. Conquer... Or Die!
04. Lying In State
05. Me Hate You
06. The Emperor's New Clothes
07. Dystopia
08. Bullet To The Brain
09. Last Dying Wish
10. Post American World
11. Look Who's Talking
12. The Threat Is Real
13. Poisonous Shadows
14. Melt The Ice Away (BUDGIE cover)
15. Foreign Policy (FEAR cover)

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/megadeth-new-album-track-listing-revealed-2/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on July 29, 2015, 06:30:41 AM
Me Hate You?

Me hate that title.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 29, 2015, 06:33:59 AM
I question the truth behind this as the article doesn't mention the album title, unless it's already known and I've completely missed it.  But it does say confimred by Dave in a chat, but why would the titles be leaked by him without an official press release.  I don't know, some of the titles look like they might be legit, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
I have been listening to Endgame recently.  Time has served this album well.  I am blown away by how good it is, and how much I failed to realize how good it is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
I have been listening to Endgame recently.  Time has served this album well.  I am blown away by how good it is, and how much I failed to realize how good it is.

This was me a couple of months ago, couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on July 31, 2015, 04:12:58 PM
Bosk, Endgame was great right out of the gate.

I remember thinking that Mustaine was really onto something with the Broderick/Drover lineup, but then released two duds after Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2015, 04:15:24 PM
Bosk, Endgame was great right out of the gate.

Looks that way, but I was happy to read bosk's post, it made me feel a little bit better about how I totally wrote it off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 05:20:38 PM
Bosk, Endgame was great right out of the gate.

I remember thinking that Mustaine was really onto something with the Broderick/Drover lineup, but then released two duds after Endgame.

I think a lot of folks were expecting more great stuff to come from the band after Endgame was released. Especially after Junior rejoined the band. I know I was.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 31, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
Bosk, Endgame was great right out of the gate.

Well, sure.  But for whatever reason, it fell off my radar pretty quickly.  Not even sure why.  It is a strong album.

I had no problem with the two albums after it.  It is more the three before it that were an issue for me.  TWNAH wasn't bad, and Jimmy's drumming is some of the best in the Megadeth catalog (and I don't say that lightly, given that there has been some beastly drumming in that band).  But it seemed like the start of a dropoff, and just didn't have the staying power of some of the earlier albums.  TSHF wasn't bad either, but had even less staying power for me.  And I just never got into UA at all.  There were a couple of catchy tracks, but nothing that stayed with me.  Maybe that's why Endgame didn't jump out at me and get the recognition from me that it probably deserved.  I think I felt that the band was on a decline and just didn't really care as much.  Or maybe I was just in a space where I wasn't into them.  I dunno.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on July 31, 2015, 05:46:35 PM
I thought UA was excellent. Not as good as Endgame.

I thought from TWNAH to Endgame, each album was an improvement on the previous one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 31, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
Well, yeah, but you are strange, so...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 06:12:49 PM
Well, yeah, but you are strange, so...

Actually bosk, I thought the same thing as TAC.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 31, 2015, 06:37:59 PM
Well, yeah, but you are strange, so...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WebRaider on October 01, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
New Megadeth...


"Fatal Illusion" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRtdd3tXI4

On first listen this is pretty damn RIPPING!  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 01, 2015, 02:43:28 PM
Seems like this song has a pulse at least. That's a good sign. As long as the rest of the album follows suit we'll be fine. I just hope Mustaine figures out that the Endgame formula is what he does best and stops trying to go commercial every other 5 years.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on October 01, 2015, 02:59:48 PM
Where was the song? I'd take SC over that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2015, 03:28:14 PM
It's a fine enough song.  Very Megadeth, but doesn't show Kiko off very well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: r0cken on October 01, 2015, 05:10:59 PM
Vocals are... I don't know, not raw enough? Dave shouldn't try to hide his signature horrible singing. Most fans are used to it and like it.
The intro - great at first, but then too long and repetitive.
I sorta like the overall dynamic and groove. Need to hear another song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 01, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
Best thing since Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Obfuscation on October 01, 2015, 08:16:15 PM
I know its a good song at least but I just can't seem to get into it or really excited about it. I think its cause of the intro. I feel like I would like it better if it started off with that bass riff part instead. Will check out the album when it comes out of course.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2015, 08:49:01 PM
I think it will work a lot better with the full album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on October 02, 2015, 05:04:07 AM
Good one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Art on October 02, 2015, 05:11:16 AM
Cool song, i got a "The System Has Failed" vibe from it.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on October 02, 2015, 05:14:20 AM
Guess I'll have to listen again. Sounded like one long chug on one note to me. Liked the bass intro though and the little guitar bits. I wasn't a huge Megadeath fan until the albums Megadeath fans hate - Risk, Cryptic Writings, Super Collider... This sounded like the earlier, pre Marty Friedman albums to me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2015, 05:17:03 AM
Guess I'll have to listen again. Sounded like one long chug on one note to me. Liked the bass intro though and the little guitar bits. I wasn't a huge Megadeath fan until the albums Megadeath fans hate - Risk, Cryptic Writings, Super Collider... This sounded like the earlier, pre Marty Friedman albums to me.

Cryptic Writings is amazing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on October 02, 2015, 05:20:17 AM
Yeah it's one of their best ones.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2015, 05:21:10 AM
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/megadethdystopiacd.jpg)


Dystopia

01. The Threat Is Real
02. Dystopia
03. Fatal Illusion
04. Death From Within
05. Bullet To The Brain
06. Post American World
07. Poisonous Shadows
08. Look Who's Talking
09. Conquer Or Die
10. Lying In State
11. The Emperor
12. Last Dying Wish
13. Foreign Policy (FEAR cover)

It thought that tracklist a couple of months back was bogus.

Amazing cover.  The Harbour Bridge!?  WOW!!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 02, 2015, 05:36:17 AM
Cryptic Writings is amazing.

Cryptic Writings was a huge disappointment for me after the amazing Youthanasia, and then it went downhill fast.

Let's see what this new one brings.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 02, 2015, 10:58:36 AM
Fatal Illusion is pretty good. I will say it's gonna kick ass live.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mebert78 on October 02, 2015, 01:42:31 PM
Cool cover.  I don't like how the sword touches the "M" in Megadeth, but otherwise it's neat.  And I like the digital font for the album title.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mindflux on October 02, 2015, 02:09:24 PM
And I like the digital font for the album title.

wat?
where's the album title in that pic?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mebert78 on October 02, 2015, 02:44:03 PM
And I like the digital font for the album title.

wat?
where's the album title in that pic?

Oops.  Well, here there is: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/hear-megadeths-brand-new-song-fatal-illusion-right-now/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
And I like the digital font for the album title.

wat?
where's the album title in that pic?

Oops.  Well, here there is: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/hear-megadeths-brand-new-song-fatal-illusion-right-now/

That article has been updated, cause that's where I got the first pic from.  Weird.  Slightly different colouring too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/megadethdystopiawithtitle.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 02, 2015, 05:40:16 PM
I like the cover. Hopefully I like the music just as much.

Endgame wasn't all that long ago. I know this dude can make decent tunes if he puts in the effort.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
I like the top half anyway.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LCArenas on October 02, 2015, 07:22:16 PM
Already better than anything on Super Collider. First part was a bit long for me but the late half of the song is great. Hope the rest of the album gets as good as this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 06, 2015, 07:27:10 PM
sweet cover!!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2015, 07:28:27 PM
I would really like to know why Dave chose the Harbour Bridge to feature so prominently in the cover.  Nice touch for us Aussies.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 06, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
is it really?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
Sure looks like it;

(https://marquetteturner.com/files/2009/10/harbour-bridge-sydney-ausw0891.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: gazinwales on October 06, 2015, 11:21:04 PM
They are playing in Sydney on October 16th, with Children Of Bodom supporting.
Helloween are playing the same night.
Who do I see?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2015, 04:57:00 AM
Shit, I forgot Helloween were coming.  I might go.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Art on November 25, 2015, 10:10:16 AM
Another New Song:

https://h264-lvl3.vevo.com/v3/h264/2015/11/USUV71503149/63ee9b36-bc88-40a1-b938-340e746d8b02/usuv71503149_high_1280x720_h264_2000_aac_128.mp4 (https://h264-lvl3.vevo.com/v3/h264/2015/11/USUV71503149/63ee9b36-bc88-40a1-b938-340e746d8b02/usuv71503149_high_1280x720_h264_2000_aac_128.mp4)

I like it!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 25, 2015, 10:34:56 AM
LOVE the cover!  And I guess the NOMACs on the cover confirm that this is actually a collaboration between Megadeth and DT, and that Dystopia is the prequel and disk #1 of The Astonishing.  I am duly astonished.  :omg:  ( <--bosk being astonished)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2015, 11:38:45 AM
If you take out "DT" from MegaDeth you get :

Mega He...

 :omg: I literally have no idea what this means.

He Mage ? Dave is a wizard ?

Jordan plus wig = Mustaine ?  :omg:

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: r0cken on November 25, 2015, 11:45:29 AM
New song is not bad!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 25, 2015, 11:53:12 AM
Nuggets abound!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on November 25, 2015, 01:36:02 PM
Good track. Guitaring is cool.

Nomacs. They really are everywhere, but we rebels will overcome  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 26, 2015, 04:15:43 AM
That new track is pretty damn good.  Kiko sounds wonderful, and Dave's effort on this is pretty decent too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WebRaider on November 26, 2015, 11:45:20 PM
Pretty cool song. Prefer the first song they released to this one but its still good stuff. Promising for the album overall.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on November 27, 2015, 04:03:12 AM
That new track is pretty damn good.  Kiko sounds wonderful, and Dave's effort on this is pretty decent too.

His voice has got a lot lower. Aging sucks  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 27, 2015, 04:14:24 AM
I meant his guitar playing.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on December 12, 2015, 08:32:52 AM
Official video for The Threat Is Real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d6LFLpBvw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d6LFLpBvw)


Are those NOMACS I see?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: PixelDream on December 12, 2015, 11:58:56 AM
Cool style! Reminds me a bit of this movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkjDUERgCQw
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MajorBoobage on January 07, 2016, 12:53:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrV61ATP3Ec

I get strong youthanasia fell from this song
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Train of Naught on January 07, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrV61ATP3Ec

I get strong youthanasia fell from this song
Wow, I like this a lot, my favorite out of all the songs so far. 15 days to go :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on January 07, 2016, 02:49:54 PM
I really like this one. Very Hangar 18 ish. Great playing, nice riffing at the end. More of this please.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2016, 04:44:15 AM
Kiko shredding his nuts off here, good shit.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 08, 2016, 06:59:24 AM
Honestly I feel the same way about that song as I do pretty much every Megadeth song. There's some nice playing in it but nothing about it grabs me and makes me want to listen to it again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on January 08, 2016, 07:10:11 AM
Eerily close to Nomacs flying around in that video. Were Dave and JP in the same room recently...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 20, 2016, 02:38:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrV61ATP3Ec

I get strong youthanasia fell from this song

Great song.  The album is getting great reviews and most fans that have listened to it say it is their best in a long time.

Still waiting for mine to arrive but all 4 songs that I have heard are killer
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 20, 2016, 02:45:49 PM
Just got my Shipping Confirmation email from Amazon!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 20, 2016, 02:50:40 PM
Just got my Shipping Confirmation email from Amazon!!

Heck yeah.  Hope it arrives quick

I ordered through Best Buy for the 2 bonus studio tracks (and the VR head seat)  It is only $14.99 now.  The regular version on Best Buy with 2 bonus tracks is only $11.99.

I am always a sucker for bonus tracks.  Will probably order the Japanese version for their bonus track eventually too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 20, 2016, 03:17:15 PM
Should be here Friday.

I feel like I need this album to hit me right away. Their last couple albums did not impress me. Next week's releases, DT and Avantasia could push the new Megadeth to the back burner for months, so it needs to make a great first impression.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2016, 06:04:56 AM
 

https://bravewords.com/reviews/megadeth-dystopia
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Train of Naught on January 21, 2016, 06:11:30 AM
He doesn't seem too convinced about Dystopia, I'm still hyped though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 21, 2016, 12:01:09 PM


https://bravewords.com/reviews/megadeth-dystopia

A 7.5 is the lowest review score that I have seen for the album.   The vast majority of scores are around a 8.5 to 9.5  out of 10 .  The same place loved Iron Maiden's latest.  While I love Maiden...it is hard for me to sit through their latest.  It is all samey to me.

I just heard the new Megadeth this morning (minus the Best Buy bonus tracks)  It is really good.  Most fans are going to be very happy with it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: adace on January 22, 2016, 12:26:42 AM
Yeah, it's really good. Easily up there with Endgame as the best modern Megadeth album, if not better.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on January 22, 2016, 12:36:36 AM
Great album - second only to RIP for me.  I'll give Dave his due - the chance of any of his rivals producing an album that I'll rank Top 2 or 3 in their discog at this point is close enough to zero.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2016, 04:06:56 AM
Sounds like Dave did good then.

Picking my copy up tomorrow!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Art on January 22, 2016, 04:11:02 AM
Dystopia is awesome. Best Megadeth album since The System Has Failed (for me).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 22, 2016, 12:01:33 PM
Dystopia is awesome. Best Megadeth album since The System Has Failed (for me).

Excellent album.  If anyone is picking it up I encourage you to get the Best Buy version for the 2 bonus studio tracks.  Both are really good and should have been included on the album.

Great start to 2016.  Hopefully Dream Theater's new album is awesome too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: PixelDream on January 22, 2016, 12:48:58 PM
I'm liking this album very much. For me, their best since The System Has Failed. Never got the hype for the shredfest that is Endgame. This album's a shredfest too, but the solos are way cooler and more musical. The songwriting's good, too. A worthy modern-day take on the sound that made Megadeth so special - Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction and a little bit of pop sensibility in there as well (The Emperor).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on January 22, 2016, 01:19:44 PM
First listen now, I'm really digging the title track.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 22, 2016, 01:20:34 PM
Megadeth's late career material has been up and down, but this album rocks. Gotta give credit where credit is due  :metal

And I am digging the album cover too. Very cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 22, 2016, 01:33:30 PM
I'm liking this album very much. For me, their best since The System Has Failed. Never got the hype for the shredfest that is Endgame. This album's a shredfest too, but the solos are way cooler and more musical. The songwriting's good, too. A worthy modern-day take on the sound that made Megadeth so special - Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction and a little bit of pop sensibility in there as well (The Emperor).

Same here.  To me Endgame lacked melody and I even preferred Thirteen over it.  I love Megadeth when they use a combination of speed, melody, and heaviness. 

I think they did right with Dystopia.  In my opinion the 2 bonus tracks from Best Buy add a lot to the album
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Enigmachine on January 22, 2016, 01:39:29 PM
I really liked the album. I'm surprised that Dave had it in him to create something that almost equals his best work after Super Collider. I hate that it ended with a cover, though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 22, 2016, 01:47:17 PM
I really liked the album. I'm surprised that Dave had it in him to create something that almost equals his best work after Super Collider. I hate that it ended with a cover, though.

I am not surprised because they made some killer albums after Risk also (which I actually like but it was weak for a Megadeth album.)

I appreciate that Megadeth (and Dream Theater) keep putting out so much quality music.  Even if they have a miss here and there you better believe 2 years later they will likely make up for it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on January 22, 2016, 01:55:14 PM
After first listen, Dystopia is excellent. Loved the solos, very Friedman-esque.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2016, 02:53:29 PM
After first listen, Dystopia is excellent. Loved the solos, very Friedman-esque.

All of this.

This is definitely an upper tier Megadeth album. Very strong with great performances all the way around.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2016, 03:31:48 PM
These positive opinions are encouraging.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2016, 03:32:55 PM
These positive opinions are encouraging.
It's my opinion that you should be positively encouraged.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 22, 2016, 03:36:11 PM
That's good then.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 23, 2016, 10:23:12 AM
The Title Track might be the best Megadeth tune I've heard in a long time.

Also lots of SFSGSW And Peace Sells moments on this album. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ozzy554 on January 23, 2016, 11:07:23 AM
This is definitely a more megadeth sounding album than Super Collider which I personally liked.


One of my favorite tracks from dystopia is Poisonous Shadows.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: krands85 on January 23, 2016, 11:19:21 AM
These positive opinions are encouraging.
Definitely. Haven't been able to hear the album yet, but looking forward to it now. Endgame was the last one I enjoyed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 23, 2016, 01:03:56 PM
This album absolutely destroys. Best thing they've done since the '90s, imo.

Although it's quite hilarious how bad the lyrics are – "Look Who's Talking," in particular, is as horrible lyrically as the alt "Vortex!" Musically it's great though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on January 23, 2016, 02:00:42 PM
I thought today that if David Ellefson ever left the band then Jason Newsted should join :P :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: PixelDream on January 23, 2016, 02:58:59 PM
My favorite is definitely Conquer or Die. Badass riff progression and a truly epic guitar solo. Too bad they didn't make a proper song with lyrics out of this, but it's spectacular nonetheless.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Outcrier on January 23, 2016, 08:36:47 PM
Easily their best since Endgame but that's not too much to say, pretty average record. Middle tier for me, together with System Has Failed and United Abominations.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 24, 2016, 02:25:17 AM
I thought today that if David Ellefson ever left the band then Jason Newsted should join :P :)

Look Who's Talking is a bonus track and I actually like the lyrics on it.  They make me laugh (in a good way)  The only song that has weak lyrics IMO is The Emperor. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 24, 2016, 03:22:19 AM
Got my copy and have heard the first half and it's very promising indeed. Kiko is owning this so far.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on January 24, 2016, 02:14:10 PM
I thought today that if David Ellefson ever left the band then Jason Newsted should join :P :)

I like Newsted so I wouldn't wish he finds himself in a band with Mustaine at any point heh


My favorite is definitely Conquer or Die. Badass riff progression and a truly epic guitar solo. Too bad they didn't make a proper song with lyrics out of this, but it's spectacular nonetheless.

I love that track as well but I think part of the reason is great is that there's not singing or lyrics on it, The System Has Failed was the last time Mustiane had decent vocal melodies for verses and choruses, that's why nothing after The System Has Failed is individually recognizable to me, especially verses.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 25, 2016, 02:54:59 AM
Had a casual listen over the weekend and it sounds promising, now I have to find the time to listen to it more often.

And wtf is up with a spotify bonus track? Artists complain that they are not getting paid or not getting paid enough when their music is streamed on spotify (and others) and then they give them exclusive material?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 25, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
And wtf is up with a spotify bonus track? Artists complain that they are not getting paid or not getting paid enough when their music is streamed on spotify (and others) and then they give them exclusive material?

At least it's just a shitty cover.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 25, 2016, 04:12:29 PM
So, this album is quite fucking excellent.  The new lineup could be the strongest since the classic RIP lineup.  Alder is brilliant and Kiko seems to really have paid attention to the Megadeth sound and his work on this brings the Friedman and even Poland eras to mind.  His solos also are out of this world.  Most of us knew how much of a good underrated player he is but he deserves this success even if it's to the detriment of Angra.

Only listened to it twice but the songs seem like classic Deth mixed with some Cryptic Writings style also on a couple of tracks.  Dave sounds surprisingly great and the production is incredible for a modern metal album.  It's loud, but everything sounds clear and the mix is great.

Very impressed with this album so far, Dave's hit a home run it seems.  If he can keep this lineup, we could be seeing a new classic Deth 2.0 era.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 25, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
I picked it up on Friday and casually listened to about the first half while driving.  Did not have a chance to listen further over the weekend.  But I was underwhelmed and actually felt that it was the weakest sounding Megadeth album I could remember.  The riffs seemed very simple and straightforward, and lacking any real punch.  And the vocals seemed very subdued.  Maybe I just wasn't in the right headspace or something, but I was really confused by what I was hearing since it did not seem to match up at all with the opinions I had been reading.  Obviously, I will give it a few more listens to try and figure out what I am missing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 25, 2016, 04:24:09 PM
I picked it up on Friday and casually listened to about the first half while driving.  Did not have a chance to listen further over the weekend.  But I was underwhelmed and actually felt that it was the weakest sounding Megadeth album I could remember.  The riffs seemed very simple and straightforward, and lacking any real punch.  And the vocals seemed very subdued.  Maybe I just wasn't in the right headspace or something, but I was really confused by what I was hearing since it did not seem to match up at all with the opinions I had been reading.  Obviously, I will give it a few more listens to try and figure out what I am missing.

 
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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Train of Naught on January 25, 2016, 04:29:56 PM
:bosky:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 25, 2016, 04:35:21 PM
I picked it up on Friday and casually listened to about the first half while driving.  Did not have a chance to listen further over the weekend.  But I was underwhelmed and actually felt that it was the weakest sounding Megadeth album I could remember.  The riffs seemed very simple and straightforward, and lacking any real punch.  And the vocals seemed very subdued.  Maybe I just wasn't in the right headspace or something, but I was really confused by what I was hearing since it did not seem to match up at all with the opinions I had been reading.  Obviously, I will give it a few more listens to try and figure out what I am missing.

Don't know what to say to this to be honest, but it's your opinion man, but give it a few more spins.  It was a lot better on the second listen.  IMO it's an album you really have to pay attention to from the get to.  I can see it just cruising by if someone was casually listening to it and not giving it their full attention.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2016, 08:49:15 AM
I am liking it a lot better this next time through so far.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 26, 2016, 12:02:28 PM
I am liking it a lot better this next time through so far.

I usually have to give Megadeth albums a few spins to enjoy them.  First time I heard the title track I thought it was only OK.  Now I love it for example.  I was a little underwhelmed after my 1st listen to the album but on the 2nd spin it clicked and it had more melody than I thought.  I like when Megadeth mixes melody with fast or angry songs.

Don't know why some complain about the lyrics.  They are pretty good overall (except The Emperor is cheesy but it fits the song)  "Lying in State" has great lyrics.

Did you get the Best Buy version with the bonus tracks?  They make the album feel more complete


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2016, 12:04:22 PM
Yes, I got the BB version.  Which ones are the "bonus tracks?"  The back cover just lists them all and does not say which ones are bonus tracks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Nel on January 26, 2016, 12:06:57 PM
I bought RiP and CtE around the time Super Collider came out (got the Best Buy version of that), but in prep for Dystopia I scooped up most of the discography over the past month along with the BB-version of the new one, so I'll marathon my way through soon. Just need Risk, The World Needs a Hero and Endgame and I can check Megadeth off my list.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 26, 2016, 12:07:20 PM
Look Who's Talking (which I really like...fun song)
and
Last Dying Wish  Not a big fan of this one but I'd rather have it on there than not.

I wouldn't have minded if they replaced Last Dying Wish with the Japanese bonus track though (Me Hate You because Me Hate You is a better song)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 26, 2016, 01:45:11 PM
I really want to hear these bonus tracks.  Gotta find them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 26, 2016, 02:19:20 PM
I really want to hear these bonus tracks.  Gotta find them.

Original Studio Bonus Tracks (From the best to worst IMO)

Look Who's Talking (On Best Buy Version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EDrGB63wDM

Me Hate You (On Japanese version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGG5GR1XS2g

Last Dying Wish (On Best Buy Version - weakest of the 3 studio bonus tracks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4XNgzSYJ9w

The songs on the regular album were better but I still think that Look Who's Talking and Me Hate You were strong enough to make the regular album.  I might even prefer "Look Who's Talking" over 1 or 2 songs that made the cut.  I like having all of the songs but I could live without Last Dying Wish even though I still think it is OK and don't skip it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 26, 2016, 02:26:35 PM
Thanks man, I'll check them out later when I'm home.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on January 26, 2016, 02:44:14 PM
From the few listens I have I guess it's another TWNAH type record...probably at The same level of Endgame and The System Has Failed..I really found Foreign policy funny. Reminded me of those mediocre punk bands but yeah...if it was a BSide it would be better

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 26, 2016, 02:52:39 PM
I really found Foreign policy funny. Reminded me of those mediocre punk bands but yeah...if it was a BSide it would be better

You do know it's a cover of punk band Fear?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moonchild on January 26, 2016, 03:24:32 PM
hmm ok
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 26, 2016, 03:48:47 PM
From the few listens I have I guess it's another TWNAH type record...probably at The same level of Endgame and The System Has Failed..I really found Foreign policy funny. Reminded me of those mediocre punk bands but yeah...if it was a BSide it would be better

Yep.  It is a cover of a punk song.  I like it except the chorus unfortunately.  (Not a big fan of punk music) 

Dave sounds brutal (in a good way) on the song but I wish it had more of a chorus than "FOREIGN POLICY! FOREIGN POLICY!! FOREIGN POLICY!!!!"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2016, 03:55:08 PM
I didn't know that was a Fear song, but I know Dave has a HUGE punk influence.  And given his connections with Fear, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 26, 2016, 04:00:54 PM
He does sound great on that track indeed, I noticed that right away.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ErHaO on January 27, 2016, 05:08:02 PM
Decided to add this one to my Spotify/Deezer playlists to ease waiting for my more anticipated albums. Aaand I don't think this one will leave them any time soon, I think it's great! :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2016, 07:10:07 PM
Getting repeated listens from me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on January 29, 2016, 03:23:17 AM
"As you might remember, Megadeth have offered a variety of "Dystopia" perks through their PledgeMusic campaign while the album was being recorded.

One of them was spending $2,500 plus travel expenses to spend a day (a day meaning up to three hours) in the studio with the band, while the other interesting offer was paying $3,000 for a two-hour guitar lesson from Dave Mustaine.

Both of these offers were bought by Milan, a lawyer from London, UK."

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/heres_the_story_of_a_guy_who_paid_5500_to_spend_a_day_in_studio_with_megadeth.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/heres_the_story_of_a_guy_who_paid_5500_to_spend_a_day_in_studio_with_megadeth.html)

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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on January 29, 2016, 03:52:22 AM
Loving Dystopia
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2016, 04:27:05 AM
Keen fan that guy, but a 2 hour guitar lesson from Dave?!  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on January 29, 2016, 04:31:02 AM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2016, 04:36:22 AM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D

Yeah, good call.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 29, 2016, 05:53:05 AM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D

Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.

Now a singing lesson, that would be different  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ErHaO on January 29, 2016, 06:01:02 AM
Hehe, yeah. Dave isn't a good singer. But I do think he has a really good feel for making catchy vocal melodies and there is a certain unique charisma to his voice (I am talking studio-performance wise). There are a plethoria of (Trash) metal bands with vocals I do not care for or even actively dislike, but Megadeth is not one of those bands at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 29, 2016, 06:31:54 AM
Just making fun, I like Megadeth as it is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on January 29, 2016, 06:36:11 AM
Dave's good at a lot of things - rhythm guitar , crafting memorable thrash songs , picking good lead guitarists etc........ and he's probably one of the better thrash vocalists .  That says more about thrash vocalists than Dave  :lol

I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 29, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
Dave's good at a lot of things - rhythm guitar , crafting memorable thrash songs , picking good lead guitarists etc........ and he's probably one of the better thrash vocalists .  That says more about thrash vocalists than Dave  :lol

I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.

All of this. Total agreement with every word.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 29, 2016, 10:50:51 AM
Endgame isn't bad but Hardest part of letting go has some horrible 80s hair metal lyrics and horrible singing (even for dave), overall I like United Abomination better.

But Dystopia is really growing on me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2016, 04:01:51 PM
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.

I probably feel this way too.

Thanks Tim.  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 31, 2016, 12:33:01 PM
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.

I probably feel this way too.

Thanks Tim.  :tup

Ever get to listen to the bonus tracks? If so then what did you think?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on January 31, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.

I probably feel this way too.

Thanks Tim.  :tup

Ever get to listen to the bonus tracks? If so then what did you think?

Yeah - I wouldn't bother .  I wouldn't rate any of the bonus tracks as high as anything on the album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 31, 2016, 04:59:17 PM
I'm really enjoying Dystopia and Endgame at the moment - possibly the two most consistent , filler free albums even though many of my all time fave tracks come from other albums.

I probably feel this way too.

Thanks Tim.  :tup

Ever get to listen to the bonus tracks? If so then what did you think?

Yeah - I wouldn't bother .  I wouldn't rate any of the bonus tracks as high as anything on the album.

I like "Look Who's Talking" and "Me Hate You" better than a few tracks on the album. 

It is a really strong album so that is saying something. 

Look Who's Talking in particular is a fun and catchy song even though it is about hunting someone down and killing them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on January 31, 2016, 07:42:23 PM
Hehe, yeah. Dave isn't a good singer. But I do think he has a really good feel for making catchy vocal melodies and there is a certain unique charisma to his voice (I am talking studio-performance wise). There are a plethoria of (Trash) metal bands with vocals I do not care for or even actively dislike, but Megadeth is not one of those bands at all.

It's THRASH, not TRASH.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 31, 2016, 08:31:10 PM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D

Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.

Now a singing lesson, that would be different  ;D

Yeah, I love Megadeth, but Kirk is light years ahead of Dave.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 01, 2016, 01:41:05 AM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D

Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.

Now a singing lesson, that would be different  ;D

Yeah, I love Megadeth, but Kirk is light years ahead of Dave.

MMmmmmm.  dunno about that.  Dave writes far more interesting guitar lines than Kirk.  Though I would have a hard time sitting through something like Blackened with Dave soloing over it the whole time *shudder*.  Not that Kirks solo is really any good. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 01, 2016, 04:28:42 AM
I'd take Dave over Kirk, but Kirk has never done anything as horrid as what Dave did on Cemetary Gates.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on February 01, 2016, 04:36:08 AM
I'd take Dave over Kirk, but Kirk has never done anything as horrid as what Dave did on Cemetary Gates.

...or that shit with the symphony orchestra.  Destruction of Symphony.   
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 01, 2016, 04:37:55 AM
I never even bothered checking that out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on February 01, 2016, 04:40:06 AM
"As you might remember, Megadeth have offered a variety of "Dystopia" perks through their PledgeMusic campaign while the album was being recorded.

One of them was spending $2,500 plus travel expenses to spend a day (a day meaning up to three hours) in the studio with the band, while the other interesting offer was paying $3,000 for a two-hour guitar lesson from Dave Mustaine.


Well, if you're stupid enough to pay all that money then... :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on February 15, 2016, 12:09:17 PM
Dystopia debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts in case anyone missed it.

Well deserved.  They were only beat by Adele and Beiber. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 15, 2016, 01:25:25 PM
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on February 15, 2016, 03:58:00 PM
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.

Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 15, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.

Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.

What tunes?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on February 15, 2016, 04:18:10 PM
Nothing deep, Hangar 18, peace Sells, in my darkest hour, sweating bullets, a tout le monde, holy wars and angry again
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 15, 2016, 04:23:35 PM
Nothing deep, Hangar 18, peace Sells, in my darkest hour, sweating bullets, a tout le monde, holy wars and angry again

My #1 Megadeth tune! :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 15, 2016, 08:31:56 PM
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.

Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.

I guess I should have a listen to the second cd one day hey?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on February 16, 2016, 06:29:22 AM
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.

Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.

I guess I should have a listen to the second cd one day hey?

Just wait Neil you're in the mood for something mellowed and have another go. It may just not be your thing but you need to give it a fair go before you write it off. After all, you've paid for it  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on February 16, 2016, 06:38:28 AM
Calling him Neil won't get him in the mood kingshmeglowdz  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on February 16, 2016, 09:15:30 AM
Calling him Neil won't get him in the mood kingshmeglowdz  ;D

Ffs. How does "until" become "Neil" in predictive keyboard? Finger dyslexia probably. Happens when I play guitar all the time.

Edit - it changed ffs to "Fifa"  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on February 16, 2016, 11:34:51 AM
The album is holding up well, really good stuff.

Still in the car stereo with TA. A good sign. I stuck some greatest hits on the end too.

I guess I should have a listen to the second cd one day hey?

I think it is Dream Theater's weakest release (with JLB) but there is still plenty to like and it is quality.  The concept dragged it down IMO.  If you are mainly into metal though there won;t be much for you and that is OK.  You don;t have to like it. 

I always give albums a few spins if it is a band that I like though.  Sometimes I am cold on a CD on the 1st listen and end up liking it.

For example...the 1st time I listened to Youthanasia I was disappointed because it wasn't Countdown.  After another listen I started digging it more.  Same with Falling into Infinity with Dream Theater when that came out.  I didn't dislike the albums...I just was disappointed at 1st and now think they are great albums.

Hell, it may not be a popular opinion but I like Chinese Democracy by Guns N Roses.  After the 1st listen I was really disappointing.  I gave it a few more spins and really ended up liking it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 16, 2016, 01:39:13 PM
I've listened to the first cd twice, but haven't touched the second.  I will, but at the moment I have no urge too.

Anyway, I have Dystopia back in the car and it's a really good record.  I hope Dave can keep this lineup together.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on February 17, 2016, 12:57:46 PM
I've listened to the first cd twice, but haven't touched the second.  I will, but at the moment I have no urge too.

Anyway, I have Dystopia back in the car and it's a really good record.  I hope Dave can keep this lineup together.

I hope so too.  I appreciate that Dave finds a way to pump out a record every 2 years though.  Even if a Megadeth record is considered a miss (by a large number of fans like Super Collider and Risk were) you know that 2 years later a new one is coming out and has the chance of being great (like this one)

The band sounds like they are getting along great so that is a good sign.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cyclopssss on February 18, 2016, 04:00:25 AM
So, gave Dystopia a spin and I gotta say, although never much a fan of Mustaine's vocals, this is a pretty good album. Enjoyed listening to it on the Ipad.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2016, 04:19:52 AM
The only negative I could say about Dystopia is that it feels a little short.  I guess adding the bonus tracks would help that but they aren't really up to the quality of the main album songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moor on February 18, 2016, 05:20:44 AM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D

Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.


Are you sure? Check at 5.22 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxOIaxb90I
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on February 18, 2016, 06:40:09 AM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D

Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.


Are you sure? Check at 5.22 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxOIaxb90I
Absolutely.  Mustaine is a pioneer.  Hammett is along for the ride.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 18, 2016, 07:02:12 AM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D

Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.


Are you sure? Check at 5.22 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxOIaxb90I

So Mustaine has a bad performance, it's shit but it happens.

Kirk "I play only sloppy wahwah solos for the last 25 years" Hammet hasn't had a single good performance in some time. So for me Dave slays Kirk in every guitar playing aspect.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on February 18, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
I'd pay a bit to meet Dave and give him a guitar lesson  ;D

Ah, come on, he's not bad. And certainky better than his successor in that other metal band.


Are you sure? Check at 5.22 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxOIaxb90I

So Mustaine has a bad performance, it's shit but it happens.

Kirk "I play only sloppy wahwah solos for the last 25 years" Hammet hasn't had a single good performance in some time. So for me Dave slays Kirk in every guitar playing aspect.

I think Dave is better than Kirk too but there really is no reason to compare.  I just want Metallica to put out quality orginal material again.

I am thrilled that Dave got kicked out of Metallica.  We would have never had Megadeth if he didn't and a new record every 2 years.

Metallica's early music > Megadeth's early music but ever since the 90's Megadeth has been far superior to Metallica (even with misses like Super Collider and Risk)

I hope that Metallica puts out a great CD that reaches the levels of Dystopia this time around (but I doubt it)  It would be awesome to have Metallica be great again though. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on February 19, 2016, 02:08:11 PM
Poisonous Shadows is probably one of my favourite Megadeth songs ever already, it's stunning how good it is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bertielee on February 19, 2016, 02:21:22 PM
Poisonous Shadows is probably one of my favourite Megadeth songs ever already, it's stunning how good it is.

I have to agree there. I've listened to the album only 4 or 5 times now, but this one stood out on first listen. I had not been interested in a Megadeth album in a long time but I decided to check Dystopia out and I'm getting hooked again.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 19, 2016, 03:56:48 PM
Poisonous Shadows is probably one of my favourite Megadeth songs ever already, it's stunning how good it is.

Probably my fav on the album, amazing song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 20, 2016, 03:20:58 AM
I have to agree, my favorite as well. Unfortunately, not a single song on the album is nowhere as good as Poisonous shadows as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2016, 03:21:46 AM
I find it pretty consistent in terms of quality over the whole album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 04:33:38 AM
New setlist only has one song from Dystopia, Fatal Illusion.  ???
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on February 22, 2016, 06:08:02 AM
Anybody read the Mustaine book?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2016, 07:57:01 AM
New setlist only has one song from Dystopia, Fatal Illusion.  ???
Let me guess, there is not a single song from the five albums prior to it?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 01:24:23 PM
New setlist only has one song from Dystopia, Fatal Illusion.  ???
Let me guess, there is not a single song from the five albums prior to it?

They play Kingmaker.  That's about it.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/megadeth/2016/revention-music-center-houston-tx-3bf35c68.html

Such a generic and uninspired setlist, disappointing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on February 22, 2016, 01:47:55 PM
If you go to a lot of Megadeth concerts, a best of setlist like that would be boring.  But if you rarely or have never seen them live, it is actually a pretty good set.

The new album is really good, so it is surprising it doesn't have at least 3 of those songs.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 22, 2016, 02:08:18 PM
Anybody read the Mustaine book?

I did!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ozzy554 on February 22, 2016, 02:14:16 PM
To me only Hanger 18, In my Darkest hour, and Holy wars are the only must plays. They could change everything else and I would be totally fine with it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 22, 2016, 02:49:35 PM
Personally, I've always felt that Hangar 18 was a little overrated.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 03:02:35 PM
I just find 1 new song absolute bullshit.  I mean, they release a brilliant new album and they play one of the weakest songs live only, very strange.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2016, 03:17:25 PM
That awkward moment when Kingmaker is the most interesting choice in the set list.  :-\
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 03:22:49 PM
That awkward moment when Kingmaker is the most interesting choice in the set list.  :-\

Totally correct.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Enigmachine on February 22, 2016, 03:58:11 PM
That awkward moment when Kingmaker is the most interesting choice in the set list.  :-\

Actually 'Dawn Patrol' seems like a more interesting choice... but not in a good way. By far my least favourite Megadeth track for ruining an otherwise perfect album. No idea why they would include it in a setlist that isn't a 'Rust in Peace' anniversary. Also, the pacing of that setlist looks really wrong to me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on February 22, 2016, 03:58:49 PM
Anybody read the Mustaine book?

I did!
I checked it out on Sunday.  I skipped the early years part and started the chapter before he met Lars and stopped after Nick left, but not Marty.  Those are the parts I was most interested, so I burned through those pages.  The other parts I'm sure will be a slower read (for me).

What did you think?

Personally, I've always felt that Hangar 18 was a little overrated.

Totally agree.  I like the song, but it isn't in my top songs list.

Wake Up Dead, Holy Wars, In My Darkest Hour would be my highlights of that list.  Love those songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 22, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
I like Dawn Patrol.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Enigmachine on February 23, 2016, 05:36:25 AM
I like Dawn Patrol.  :dunno:

Well, it has an OK bassline, but that's about it. That's literally the entire song. Fair enough if you like it, but it's certainly not for me (and those vocals on top... ugh, so bad).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 23, 2016, 06:52:19 AM
I never really got Dawn patrol. It more than brings down an otherwise fantastic album. I mean, it's still a great album, but man, what were the guys on when they came up with that?  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on February 24, 2016, 03:38:20 PM
That awkward moment when Kingmaker is the most interesting choice in the set list.  :-\

They have now added "The Threat is Real"  so that makes it 2

Truthfully they should play 4 songs from the new album though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on February 24, 2016, 04:52:28 PM
I couldn't recall the setlist from which I saw them live (Clash of the Titans supporting Rust in Peace), so I did a search and found this youtube concert from that era.  The sound isn't great, but the cameradude appears to be someone with the band, so it is a nice piece of history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFRpvYyY7Y
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: seasonsinthesky on February 24, 2016, 05:05:28 PM
I never really got Dawn patrol. It more than brings down an otherwise fantastic album. I mean, it's still a great album, but man, what were the guys on when they came up with that?  :lol

Absolutely. It's the very definition of filler. Maybe they'd made a real song out of it and the tapes were lost!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 26, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Anybody read the Mustaine book?

I did!
I checked it out on Sunday.  I skipped the early years part and started the chapter before he met Lars and stopped after Nick left, but not Marty.  Those are the parts I was most interested, so I burned through those pages.  The other parts I'm sure will be a slower read (for me).

What did you think?

I thought it was OK. I was really hoping to hear more about his relationship with Ellefson. He really skipped over Dave leaving then coming back. I would've really wanted to know what went on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on February 27, 2016, 08:17:06 PM
I guess the setlist has more to do with Mustaine's ability to sing it live, based off the video of them performing Dystopia (the song) live.  I don't know if it is Dave not being able to sing the song or sing and play guitar at the same time with the newer songs.  He might be entering that stage in his life where newer things take a bit longer to sink in and/or he can't dedicate as much energy to Megadeth itself as he used to.  He's getting old enough and his kids are getting old enough that he might be feeling it is now or never when it comes to enjoying all things not Megadeth.

Yet at the same time, he is making the most of his time while working Megadeth as evidenced by the studio release.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on February 27, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
I enjoyed Dystopia despite the Trumpesque lyrics, I only listened to it for the couple of days before The Astonishing came out and now I'm back listening to it a bit, I think it's their best since TSHF but not better than TSHF itself.
Also something about the vocals on this album doesn't sit right with me, can't tell what it is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on February 27, 2016, 09:51:46 PM
Also something about the vocals on this album doesn't sit right with me, can't tell what it is.

I also find that a little.  The vocals sound great - too great  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on February 27, 2016, 10:10:12 PM
I enjoyed Dystopia despite the Trumpesque lyrics

I've always found his lyrics more anti-government regardless of the occupant than partisan.  Is he supposed to change his formula because a Democrat is the current occupant?  That would be very un-Megadeth.

Sheesh, the band name itself sets the political message.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 01, 2016, 08:16:26 AM
I never really got Dawn patrol. It more than brings down an otherwise fantastic album. I mean, it's still a great album, but man, what were the guys on when they came up with that?  :lol

Absolutely. It's the very definition of filler. Maybe they'd made a real song out of it and the tapes were lost!

Um, no.  Not at all.  "I don't like this song" does not equate to "filler." 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on March 01, 2016, 01:51:47 PM
I enjoyed Dystopia despite the Trumpesque lyrics

I've always found his lyrics more anti-government regardless of the occupant that partisan.  Is he supposed to change his formula because a Democrat is the current occupant?  That would be very un-Megadeth.

Sheesh, the band name itself sets the political message.

Agreed. Great post.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Rattlehead on March 02, 2016, 08:24:15 AM
I'm really impressed with Dystopia, it's awesome to be listening to great new Megadeth music again. Right now my favorite tracks are The Threat Is Real, Dystopia and Poisonous Shadows. Best album since Endgame for sure in my opinion  :metal

I just looked up their last setlist on setlist.fm and it looks like they're playing 3 songs from Dystopia now (The Threat Is Real, Dystopia and Fatal Illusion). Good choices, but it is frustrating that they aren't playing more… I'd make more of an effort to see them if they were.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on March 03, 2016, 05:06:50 AM
At least 3 songs is better than 1!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on March 12, 2016, 05:10:21 PM
Just put my order in for Dystopia and while I'm waiting I figured I'd pick out a few albums from their discography to warm me up. So...

SFSGSW would rate higher for me if the production were a bit better.

The System Has Failed is definitely very good.

And Thirteen = Underrated.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on March 12, 2016, 06:15:25 PM
I never really got Dawn patrol. It more than brings down an otherwise fantastic album. I mean, it's still a great album, but man, what were the guys on when they came up with that?  :lol

Absolutely. It's the very definition of filler. Maybe they'd made a real song out of it and the tapes were lost!

Um, no.  Not at all.  "I don't like this song" does not equate to "filler."


Filler means a song you write with the sole intention of filling up an album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Nel on March 12, 2016, 06:19:47 PM
I got Endgame and Risk in the mail two days ago, meaning I finally completed the discography. Marathon ho!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 14, 2016, 01:29:10 AM
Marathon ho!

Been lookin for one of them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on March 14, 2016, 05:17:25 AM
Marathon ho!

Been lookin for one of them.

I actually loled.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 14, 2016, 11:49:42 AM
Seeing Havok/Children of Bodom/Suicidal Tendencies/Megadeth in Allentown this Saturday.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on March 16, 2016, 04:10:55 PM
Just put my order in for Dystopia and while I'm waiting I figured I'd pick out a few albums from their discography to warm me up. So...

SFSGSW would rate higher for me if the production were a bit better.

The System Has Failed is definitely very good.

And Thirteen = Underrated.

Agreed about Thirteen.  Very underrated.  It had some generic songs that I skip like Drugs Guns and Money but stuff like Sudden Death and Never Dead was killer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on March 16, 2016, 04:55:44 PM
Thirteen has quite a few songs that I'm not that fond of, but I really like Sudden Death and the title track.

Also the two reworked tracks are pretty great (Millenium of the Blind, Black Swan), but I prefer their respective original versions.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 16, 2016, 08:53:55 PM
Seeing Havok/Children of Bodom/Suicidal Tendencies/Megadeth in Allentown this Saturday.  :metal

Are you familiar with Bodom? I wasn't (aside from knowing them in name only) when I saw them in 2004 and they blew the fuckin roof off the joint being the first band on a three band bill where Evergrey and then Iced Earth played. Saw 'em again seven months later and the same thing happened except they were second up during a four band show that, in order, went: Throwdown (unknowns and forgettable but okay in spots), Bodom, Fear Factory (surprisingly underwhelming live compared to how visceral their sound is), and Lamb of God (we left before they came out cuz all three of us only knew and gave a shit about CoB and FF at that point in time.)

Ditchin LoG sucked retrospectively cuz I really liked them a good bit in the years that followed after GH2 got me into them for having Laid to Rest on it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on March 17, 2016, 03:17:04 AM
Seeing Havok/Children of Bodom/Suicidal Tendencies/Megadeth in Allentown this Saturday.  :metal

Holy shit, that is an awesome line-up.

Though I'm quite surprised that you seem excited about CoB, they don't seem to be up your alley at all, with harsh vox and all that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 17, 2016, 05:45:14 AM
I'm excited about ST/MD, but I've never listened to the other two, so I have no frame of reference.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on March 17, 2016, 05:52:40 AM
Havok do some pretty great thrash, and CoB are melodic death metal. Their later albums have been not so great, but they were one of the first and biggest bands of the genre in the 90s. Their live shows are probably still really good, I can't imagine them not kicking ass.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 17, 2016, 02:30:34 PM
I will try to remain open minded. I'm sure we'll have a great time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 17, 2016, 02:39:06 PM
Who is even in Suicidal Tendencies now?  :lol  Other than Mike Muir, I honestly have no idea.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 18, 2016, 01:16:00 AM
Here ya go:

Mike Muir
    Active: 1981–present
    Instruments: lead vocals
    Release contributions: all Suicidal Tendencies releases

Dean Pleasants
    Active: 1996–present
    Instruments: lead guitar
    Release contributions: all Suicidal Tendencies releases since Six the Hard Way (1998)

Nico Santora
    Active: 2012–present
    Instruments: Rhythm guitar
    Release contributions: 13 (2013)

Ra Díaz
    Active: 2016–present
    Instruments: Bass
    Release contributions: None so far

Eric Moore
    Active: 2007-2014, 2014–present
    Instruments: drums, percussion
    Release contributions: all releases since Year of the Cycos (2008)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2016, 07:56:46 AM
Yeah, I don't know ANY of those guys.  I think you just made my point.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on March 18, 2016, 12:31:57 PM
Well, Megadeth has 50% of their band made up of people that just joined.  And for a time, Dave was the only original member.

Should it just be the Cyco Miko band now?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2016, 12:39:45 PM
Not necessarily.  But rightly or wrongly, I associate the band's "signature sound" (if there is such a thing) to the songwriting of Muir, Rocky George, and Mike Clark (and to a lesser extent, Rob Trujillo).  Megadeth has always been the Dave Mustaine show. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on March 18, 2016, 01:26:11 PM
I would to, but I was musically aware (old enough) to be around during that time.

I'm not disagreeing though.  Bands with v4.0 where v1.0 is almost non-existent is usually kind of lame.  Although, we essentially just have Petrucci and Myung for DT.  So it is all up to the fan when all is said and done.  Suicidal Tendencies has been off my radar for so long that I couldn't even tell you what the prevailing opinion is.

Edit.  There is also an unfairness of youth.  By that I mean, when I was younger, I could tell you quite a bit about my favorite bands.  The names of all the members was almost a given.  As I've grown older, but still discovering new bands, I rarely bother to learn even a single member's name.  If I do know it, it is almost by accident because of places like this.  So I'd probably be blissfully unaware of lineup changes unless the band's sound changed dramatically.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2016, 01:42:29 PM
Depends on the band.  With DT, JP and JM were 2/3 of the original core, and James was the vocalist when they really forged their identity close to the beginning.  So it doesn't feel all that odd for me.  Y&T is down to just Dave Meniketti as the only remaining original member.  That borders on not feeling genuine anymore, but for the fact that Dave wrote such a huge portion of the music and lyrics anyway, and the other 3 founding members are either deceased or physically unable to perform. 

But in the case of S/T, I'm not making any judgments.  Just the observation that, like you, I lost track of this band LONG ago and, thus, I have no idea who is even in it other than Muir.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on March 18, 2016, 02:13:38 PM
The people that came and left DT were a big part of that eras sound though.  A main songwriter is great, but magic usually happens through collaboration.  Missing both Moore and Sherinian's contributions is only cured by checking out their post-DT work.  On the whole, I probably like OSI more than recent DT.

On the other side of the spectrum, I cringe when I read the original Dokken lineup might ride again.  And not just because Don can't hit the notes anymore.  And not even that I don't like Don's writing.  But even back in 94-96, I knew people close to the reunion then.  George was doing great work with Lynch Mob and a solo album.  Pilson had hooked up with Craig Goldy and working on material that I found insanely good.  Then Craig and my friends at Sunset Custom Guitar (ESP) told me they were rehearsing with comments from Jeff like "George is on fire".  My feeling was NOOOOOOOO.   I wanted that Pilson/Goldy material to see daylight (it didn't).  I wanted more Lynch Mob or at least Lynch solo albums.  The Dokken reunion kinda killed all the good stuff going on in the background and we got some mediocre Dokken reunion stuff.

So the whole "original lineup" thing to me will always be a hit and miss.  I think a Moore/Portnoy reunion with DT might be incredibly disappointing, despite loving both of those guys.

I never looked too heavily into Suicidal Tendencies writing credits, but a few of my zit covered high school friends that were Suicidal for Life or whatever it was they were saying told me Mike Clark was the songwriter I liked for ST.  Rocky George had some incredible solo work, but Clark was the actual composer.  From what I'm told ...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 18, 2016, 02:22:13 PM
I saw Dokken at that time ('95) and they were incredible. 10 times better than I had ever thought they were in the 80's. (saw them in '86 and '88).

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on March 18, 2016, 02:39:52 PM
I saw them twice during the reunion.  Lynch and Petrucci were my go to guys at that time.  If they appeared in any form within a 50 mile radius, I was there.

The first time, it was very good.  They seemed into it.  Lynch was able to play I Will Remember which everybody around me agreed was the highlight of the evening.  Pilson had his bass pedals and synths in full effect.  I recall Mick taking lead for a song and Jeff taking another.  And the people at my table were J. Frog (infamous guitar designer) and if I recall correctly Matt Masciandaro, Tetsu and the other ESP guitar guys.  After the show, I went to go meet George and also had the luck of meeting his visiting friend, Warren DeMartini of RATT.  And to top it off, Warren's girlfriend was ridiculously hot and touchy.

The second time, ugh.  My friend described George as George "Hamilton" Lynch wearing sparkly pants that were somehow tight and loose at the same time.  We were right up at the stage and the gig actually had "dinner served".  But we lost our appetite when we all instantaneously realized George couldn't be wearing underwear and either pulled a Spinal Tap cucumber or we were witnessing a floppy dick in our face.  Thankfully, bratwurst was not a dinner option.  When George wasn't soloing in our faces (usually a cool thing), he turned his back to the audience and faced his amps for the rest of the time.  They all seemed to be going through the motions.  And oh yeah, Shadowlife had just come out.

I left saying something my friends never thought they'd hear out of my mouth.  "That's the last Dokken show I pay to see."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 18, 2016, 03:20:23 PM
I was never a huge Dokken guy. I actually saw them 3 times back in the day and never thought they were that great live. And Don Dokken seemed like such a douche on stage.
When they came for that reunion show, it was in a club and thought it'd be a cool night out. Well, they really blew me away.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on March 18, 2016, 03:47:04 PM
I was never a huge Dokken guy. I actually saw them 3 times back in the day and never thought they were that great live. And Don Dokken seemed like such a douche on stage.
When they came for that reunion show, it was in a club and thought it'd be a cool night out. Well, they really blew me away.

My guaranteed George Lynch concert friend (and fellow guitarist friend) loved bagging on Don.  And being young and relatively guitar centric myself, I'd be there cheering him on with my laughs.  Just being stupid and deep down not serious.  Another friend that was a moderate Dokken fan would turn songs like "You Just Got Lucky" into "Don's so Damn Ugly".  I don't know if it was because we grew up in the Weird Al era, but satirizing song lyrics at the drop of hat seemed incredibly common with my circle of friends   :laugh:

But the original Dokken reunion album was essentially a Don Dokken solo album and it had its moments.  I'm not surprised Lynch could only get so much into it.  He was kind of having a guitar midlife crisis in the mid to late 90s.  He even told everybody at the Musicians Institute at that time something like "I'm 40 something years old.  I've been playing guitar 30 something years.  To be honest, I'm kinda bored of playing.  I refuse to pick it up on my own time unless I'm inspired.  But I probably just need a break so I can miss it again.  I like experimenting with sounds that aren't guitar or at least don't sound like guitar right now."  It is probably even in the Musician Institute video files, but he didn't allow video cameras and the MI guys told me he didn't want people to see that clinic.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2016, 04:43:30 PM
I forgot that this is a Megadeth thread.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Logain Ablar on March 18, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
I'm really only a fan of Marty-era Megadeth. I think the solo in Tornado of Souls was the first guitar solo that truly blew my mind.
What I've heard so far from Dystopia is encouraging. Plus, there's NOMACs on the cover!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Calvin6s on March 18, 2016, 04:56:26 PM
I forgot that this is a Megadeth thread.

Children of Suicidal Dokken conversation broke out.  I believe RATT, Y&T are soon to follow.  It isn't over until we reach the Beatles.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 19, 2016, 06:16:30 PM
I don't care if this is a metal show. If you participate in a mosh pit, I want to punch you in the face. With a broken beer bottle. Which is as close as you're likely to get to one, since you're obviously still a teenager.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 19, 2016, 06:34:48 PM
Dave Lombardo on drums for ST.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 21, 2016, 08:23:23 AM
Excellent show.  Havok was really good.  The lead guitarist's amp didn't work for the entire first song.  He and a slew of roadies were trying to figure out the problem.  He didn't play a note the first song.  When the song was over, the drummer did an impromptu solo while a road case was brought out with a new amp, and they got it hooked up quick.  That second amp should've already been on stage and turned on, ready to go in the case of something like this happening.  Not cool.  Otherwise, they were good.

COB, instrumentally was excellent.  As noted above, the vocals I could've done without.  ST was very good, they were all running around stage the entire set, like they were all 20 years old.  Megadeth did not disappoint one bit.  Sure, they've downtuned some of the classics, and Dave can't sing them all the way he used to, but you go in expecting that.  They were still awesome, nonetheless.

Hangar 18
The Threat Is Real
Wake Up Dead
In My Darkest Hour
Post American World
Dawn Patrol
Poison Was the Cure
She-Wolf
Dystopia
Sweating Bullets
Fatal Illusion
Trust
Tornado of Souls
Poisonous Shadows
Symphony of Destruction
Peace Sells
Encore - Holy Wars... The Punishment Due

Killer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on March 21, 2016, 09:10:42 AM
Good to see that they are playing more of the new album.  I know it has been discussed to death in many threads for many bands, but I hate to see a band touring on a new album and hardly playing any of it (or not playing it at all). 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 21, 2016, 09:55:52 AM
I wasn't particularly familiar with their recent stuff, but it doesn't matter, it was still kick ass.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 21, 2016, 03:48:19 PM
I think the new album might be the best thing they've released in a decade.  I didn't think Mustaine had another album like this in him.  I know it gets said all the time when the topic of this band comes up but I really DO think this album is the closest in style and sound to Rust In Peace that they've ever done.


It almost sounds like a tribute to Rust In Peace - at least musically.  Lyrically, not so much.  Dave seems to have a problem with the government  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 21, 2016, 03:51:11 PM
It is a great album. Other than Endgame, this is the best in TWO decades!

I think this is better than Endgame too!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on March 27, 2016, 12:40:53 AM
Wow I agree. Better than Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2016, 03:40:02 AM
This album is beastly.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on April 07, 2016, 12:48:51 PM
I wasn't particularly familiar with their recent stuff, but it doesn't matter, it was still kick ass.

If you haven't picked up the album yet I recommend the Best Buy version with 2 bonus studio tracks.  It makes the record seem more complete.

Killer album...I am still driving around with it blaring in my car and I got it on release day
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 08, 2016, 01:46:18 PM
Just came back to give this a bit more love today.  Spun it this morning in the gym.  It's killer workout music  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 11, 2016, 07:55:34 AM
I'm still loving Dystopia. Love the fact that Megadeth are still releasing relevant albums this far into their career. They are probably one of the only old school thrash bands that are, other than perhaps Testament, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2016, 10:55:41 AM
Dystopia is great but Megadeth just had a run of a couple mediocre albums.
Try the new Flitsam & Jetsam. A return to the classic style.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 11, 2016, 11:27:10 AM
Dystopia is great but Megadeth just had a run of a couple mediocre albums.
Try the new Flitsam & Jetsam. A return to the classic style.

I think what Megadeth have put out since 2002 trumps anything else that the rest of The Big Four have put out since then, by a long way!! If we made it The Big Five and included Testament then they would have a run for their money. I don't rate anything Slayer have done since God Hates Us All (which I love), never truly rated Anthrax at all and, well, Metallica  :|

I think The System has Failed, United Abominations and Endgame are all great.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on June 11, 2016, 12:41:02 PM
I enjoy the fact that Megadeth has been constantly industrious over the last 10 years and kept releasing new material, unlike some other big bands of their genre. However, the streak of the last five albums doesn't do a whole lot for me. Thirteen and United abominations are two of my lesser favorite Megadeth albums overall, and Dystopia sounded like same old to me and it's unnecessarily heavy. I actually enjoyed Super collider the most, it was a bit different and the guys were obviously not ashamed that they're not as loud and menacing as in their younger days.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2016, 05:33:18 PM
I think The System has Failed, United Abominations and Endgame are all great.

As do I, especially Endgame. Megadeth had "quietly" put together a deep and rich discography that any of the 80's metal/thrash bands would be envious to have.

The last two Anthrax albums have been excellent, and frankly the last two Testament albums so out rule anything they've ever done.

Oh and listening to the new Death Angel right now! :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Big Hath on June 21, 2016, 12:09:37 PM
Oh and listening to the new Death Angel right now! :metal

it is indeed  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 09, 2016, 12:03:29 PM
I assume this was probably posted already, but I just ran across it.  The Countdown to Extinction album in 8-bit.  Imagine CTE as the background music for an old Atari 2600 game.  So cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7LWpDKhQgY
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2016, 12:16:50 PM
I assume this was probably posted already, but I just ran across it.  The Countdown to Extinction album in 8-bit.  Imagine CTE as the background music for an old Atari 2600 game.  So cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7LWpDKhQgY
:metalol:  I love this!  This guy has WAY too much time on his hands, but I love it.

EDIT:  This version of Architecture of Aggression is straight up trance music.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Scorpion on September 09, 2016, 12:27:04 PM
Ashes in Your Mouth is straight up sick.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 09, 2016, 12:48:26 PM
And in the comments:

Skin o' My Teeth - Miniboss fight
Symphony of Destruction - Secret enemy lair
Architecture of Aggression - Army base
Foreclosure of a Dream - Deep cave
Sweating Bullets - Probably some kind of casino?
This Was My Life - Maybe a stone level?
Countdown to Extinction - Airship?
High Speed Dirt - Without a doubt one of the final bosses
Psychotron - Castle theme
Captive Honour - Castle Dungeon theme
Ashes in Your Mouth - FINAL BOSS

LOL
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 11, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
Wasn't aware this existed, but it is short song-by-song explanations by Marty Friedman on the songs from RIP through Risk:  https://www.davemustainerig.com/megadeth-songs.php#Rust in Peace

Pretty cool read, although I would have liked more detail in spots. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 17, 2017, 10:38:30 AM
I know these words are seldom uttered, but:  Risk is SUCH a good album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on February 17, 2017, 10:42:14 AM
I know these words are seldom uttered, but:  Risk is SUCH a good album.

Why do you have such bad taste in records? :lol

First Hear in the Now Frontier, then Risk. You're gonna say next that you love St. Anger, aren't you?  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on February 17, 2017, 11:02:50 AM
It is a great album. Other than Endgame, this is the best in TWO decades!

I think this is better than Endgame too!

I agree. Dystopia and Endgame (minus the really bad ballad) are top notch.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 17, 2017, 11:20:05 AM
Wait, so...you're saying St. Anger is...bad?

:)

No, I'm not going to defend that one.  But in the case of Risk, they went outside their comfort zone, and even though it is really different for Megadeth, I feel like a lot of it worked.  Not in all cases, but mostly.  Brief track-by-track:
-Insomnia:  Not really that far off the beaten path for Megadeth, IMO, although the addition of middle eastern strings and somewhat industrial sounding riffs and loops was new.  It is an odd combination that works and makes for a cool vibe.
-Prince of Darkness:  Other than being so polished and streamlined, which sounds very much in line with what they had done on the previous two albums, this is pretty standard Megadeth.  No complains here.
-Enter the Arena/Crush 'Em:  Yeah, I won't even defend this. 
-Breadline:  Not TOO much of a deviation for Megadeth.  I mean, it doesn't sound too far removed from something that could have been on Youthanasia or Cryptic, if not maybe a bit more mainstream.  Not one of my favorites from the album, but it does have a nice groove to it.
-The Doctor is Calling:  One of my top 3 from the album.  Love this song.  Heavy and creepy.
-I'll Be There:  This is also one that probably throws most for a loop.  This isn't really what we signed up for when we bought an album that said "Megadeth" on the cover, right?  I like the riff underneath the chorus, but as a whole, this song doesn't really do it for me.
-Wanderlust:  Also in my top 3.  Jimmy's very cold drum sound fits well with this song.
-Ecstacy:  I feel like I shouldn't like this song as much as I do.  When I think of Dave's vamping underneath the last parts of the solo before the final chorus, I kinda cringe.  The verses...sometimes I dig what is going on; sometimes I don't.  But the chorus really makes the song.  Not typical Megadeth at all, and if people want to put this in the "doesn't work for me" category, I'm fine with that.  But this song definitely has its moments.
-Seven:  Hated it at first, but grew to love it.  Also out of the box, but really, really fun and has an amazing groove. 
-Time (both of them):  I'm not sure why Dave has been so adamant that these are completely different, unrelated songs that are linked only by a very generally broad theme.  The second seems to lyrically flow right from the first to me.  :dunno:  But anyway, this pair is really incredible.  These show off what I like so much about Megadeth in every way.  These songs, taken together, round out my top 3 (or top 4, if that better suits you).

It is a great album. Other than Endgame, this is the best in TWO decades!

I think this is better than Endgame too!

I agree. Dystopia and Endgame (minus the really bad ballad) are top notch.
Yeah, I agree.  Outside the classic era (which I consider to be Rust through Youthanasia), I would put those two albums up there as their best, with the possible exception of my strange affinity for Risk.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on February 17, 2017, 05:25:59 PM
I find it funny that whilst Mustaine has fired umpteen people from Megadeth over the years - he himself is the sole member of Metallica to ever get fired.


Since Kill Em All was released - Metallica has been the same 3 guys for 36 years. One member died, One member quit.

I guess Lars isn't all that hard to get along with. . . At least compared to Dave.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 18, 2017, 02:56:06 AM
This has led to Megadeth having good drummers and great lead guitarists.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on February 18, 2017, 04:58:18 AM
And then firing them :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mosh on February 18, 2017, 10:34:39 AM
It works for them. Metallica thrives on being a band, Megadeth works as a Mustaine solo project. The big upside is that he can reinvent the band every few years. I thought Megadeth was starting to get pretty stale (Super Collider was one of the worst albums they ever made) but Dystopia was a real return to form. A big part of that was the new lineup IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on February 18, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
It works for them. Metallica thrives on being a band, Megadeth works as a Mustaine solo project. The big upside is that he can reinvent the band every few years. I thought Megadeth was starting to get pretty stale (Super Collider was one of the worst albums they ever made) but Dystopia was a real return to form. A big part of that was the new lineup IMO.

I agree. I think the revolving lineup works to keep things fresh for the band and allows Megadeth to put out albums at a much more steady clip than Metallica ever has.

It's also a little ironic that Mustaine was booted from Metallica for being undisciplined in terms of the drugs and alcohol and yet Mustaine has been much more disciplined about producing new music at a consistent pace, despite all of his personal vices.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 18, 2017, 02:49:50 PM
Megadeth has "quietly" put together one of the greatest discographies in metal.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on February 18, 2017, 02:56:50 PM
Megadeth has "quietly" put together one of the greatest discographies in metal.

Absolutely. Of course, any band with that kind of longevity will have its ups and downs in their discog, but Megadeth's stacks up well against any other metal band out there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 18, 2017, 03:45:37 PM
Megadeth has "quietly" put together one of the greatest discographies in metal.

Quoted again for truth
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 18, 2017, 05:22:06 PM
Happy Birthday Gar Samuelson. Would've been 59 today.

I saw Megadeth open for Alice Cooper in early '87 on the Peace Sells tour. I was standing on the side of the stage on Gar's right, looking directly over his floor toms right at him for the entire show. I was mesmerized by his drumming. There was just something really cool about it. I remember that was my thought.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on April 06, 2018, 11:27:44 AM
Just got this from Century Media.  They beat the news outlets to the punch. 

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Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good The Final Kill


 
CD


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SHIPPING NOTICE: This is a presale item set to ship around 06/06/2018 




 Century Media & Legacy Recordings are proud to announce the 2018 deluxe re-issue of Megadeth’s classic debut album, Killing Is My Business...and Business Is Good!



Killing Is My Business...and Business Is Good - The Final Kill has been completely restored to Dave Mustaine’s intended vision. Remixed by veteran metal mixer, Mark Lewis (Whitechapel) and remastered by Ted Jensen for an optimal listening experience, the 2018 version reveals unheard parts and performances throughout the record. This rare gem includes the full album, along with 7 live audio tracks from VHS tapes found in Dave Mustaine’s own attic! In addition to the bonus live tracks, the 2018 re-issue also features Megadeth’s 1984 3-track demo and the once removed cover of Lee Hazelwood’s, “The Boots” that has been added back to the record with recut vocals intended to maintain the integrity of both the original song and Megadeth’s own snarling rendition.



The package is further enhanced by a new album cover featuring a fully executed sculpture of the iconic skull that has been lost over the many years since the album’s initial release. The packaging also includes classic flyers and band photos pulled from their archive of timeless metal moments from Megadeth’s storied 35 year history. The Final Kill is the complete vision of main man, Dave Mustaine, who has contributed liner notes delving into the struggles during that time period as well as some of the surprising moments during the remixing sessions.



“I am just as much amazed at the music we made as I am at the pure fact that we survived it all!” - Dave Mustaine



CD Track List
 1. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (Remastered)
 2. Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good! (Remastered)
 3. The Skull Beneath the Skin (Remastered)
 4. Rattlehead (Remastered) - Explicit Content
 5. Chosen Ones (Remastered)
 6. Looking Down the Cross (Remastered)
 7. Mechanix (Remastered)
 8. These Boots (Remastered)
 9. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (live) (1987 London, UK)
 10. Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good! (live) (1986 Denver, CO)
 11. The Skull Beneath the Skin (live) (1990 London, UK)
 12. Rattlehead (live) (1987 Bochum, Germany) - Explicit Content
 13. Chosen Ones (live) (1986 Denver, CO)
 14. Looking Down the Cross (live) (1986 Denver, CO)
 15. Mechanix (live) (1986 Denver, CO)
 16. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (demo) (Remastered)
 17. The Skull Beneath the Skin (demo) (Remastered)
 18. Mechanix (demo) (Remastered)



Album Release Date Is June 8th 2018

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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on April 06, 2018, 11:31:59 AM
I'm not a fan of early Megadeth.  RiP, Countdown, Youthanasia, Hidden Treasures, Risk, and TWNAH are the "sweet spot" for me.  But this looks like a pretty cool package.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on April 06, 2018, 11:49:21 AM
"unheard parts." The last time these things were remastered, I believe Dave altered/added things. I understand an artist's desire to tinker. But once released, anything related to the performance itself shouldn't be altered IMO. You can change cover art, change the track listing, remix, remaster, etc. But the music itself shouldn't be altered.

The other stuff sounds cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on April 06, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
"unheard parts." The last time these things were remastered, I believe Dave altered/added things. I understand an artist's desire to tinker. But once released, anything related to the performance itself shouldn't be altered IMO. You can change cover art, change the track listing, remix, remaster, etc. But the music itself shouldn't be altered.

The other stuff sounds cool.

I have and love the 2002 remaster - from what I recall, Dave only changed These Boots to add bleeps in the lyrics that Lee Hazelwood had problems with.  I think they're trying to say that the new remaster brings "unheard" elements to the forefront, as opposed to altering the music.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 06, 2018, 01:49:42 PM
"unheard parts." The last time these things were remastered, I believe Dave altered/added things. I understand an artist's desire to tinker. But once released, anything related to the performance itself shouldn't be altered IMO. You can change cover art, change the track listing, remix, remaster, etc. But the music itself shouldn't be altered.

The other stuff sounds cool.

I have and love the 2002 remaster - from what I recall, Dave only changed These Boots to add bleeps in the lyrics that Lee Hazelwood had problems with.  I think they're trying to say that the new remaster brings "unheard" elements to the forefront, as opposed to altering the music.
That brings up an interesting question: how is it that Lee Hazelwood had the power to require the removal and/or bleeping of certain lyrics on Megadeth's cover of These Boots? Is there some law that allows for the original songwriter to prevent a cover from being sold to the public even though they are financially compensated?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on April 06, 2018, 01:52:42 PM
So Dave is going to resing the actual lyrics for These Boots? I'm not really a fan of pre-Rust Megadeth (RIP isn't really my cup of tea either aside from a few songs) but I do still have all the original versions on CD, including KIMB with the unaltered These Boots. Took me forever to find it, and really it was by accident just looking through the Megadeth section at my local record store. I might check this new remaster out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on April 06, 2018, 03:30:00 PM
Dave taking lessons from George Lucas now? 

Killing would be awesome if they remastered it and used the original vocal tracks but him redoing the vocals is what tanked the remake last time. He's lost his edge so I'm sure he'll do it again. If he were to leave the original vocal tracks only I'd buy this in a second.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on April 07, 2018, 10:25:10 PM
Dave taking lessons from George Lucas now? 

Killing would be awesome if they remastered it and used the original vocal tracks but him redoing the vocals is what tanked the remake last time. He's lost his edge so I'm sure he'll do it again. If he were to leave the original vocal tracks only I'd buy this in a second.

I think he's only re-singing These Boots with lyrics that will appease Hazelwood.  That's nothing compared to the RIP remaster where he ended up using alternate takes or re-singing a handful of songs. 

As for why the song was removed, I don't know exactly, but I've always guessed that it was eaisier than fighting Hazelwood about it.  Dave's always said that he was paid royalties for years before he ever spoke up about his dislike of the Megadeth version.  I had the original and sold it off after I converted to collection to digital, since I always listen to the 2002 remaster.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on April 08, 2018, 08:09:22 AM
Even though the guitars sound like twangers in the original release, I still prefer the raw original. If you crank the low end up it has an amazing feel that is nostalgic and exudes aggressive power. I still have the original vinyl release which included the lyrics (many that were misprinted) but at least you could figure out what the hell he was singing about. So when I listen to these albums I appreciate the nostalgia and can overcome the weak mastering with my sound system. When he overlays new vocal tracks and takes away some of the original vocals it takes that feeling away completely for me. I wish he would just leave the original vocal tracks unfucked with. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: NoseofNicko on April 08, 2018, 04:09:51 PM
That’s good news. Some of the riffs on the album are barely audible which prevents me from truly enjoying it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 31, 2018, 10:59:01 AM
Anyone up to review this one?:

MEGADETH - KILLING IS MY BUSINESS…AND BUSINESS IS GOOD – THE FINAL KILL

The ultimate version of MEGADETH's classic debut album!

Featuring:
- A remix of the entire record by Mark Lewis (Trivium, Devil Driver, Death Angel, Whitechapel) that restores previously unheard parts and performances and restores the album to Dave Mustaine's intended vision.
- The entire project has been remastered by Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound, NYC.
- The track, "These Boots..." re-added to the record with vocals re-cut by Dave Mustaine. After the initial pressing, the song had to be removed from the record due to its author, Lee Hazelwood's estate, not approving the original vocal and lyric changes. 
- New artwork that is in line with Mustaine's original vision of the cover. A fully executed sculpture as opposed to the cheap "skull" photograph that Relativity/Combat created when the original artwork was lost.
- 7 live audio tracks from VHS tapes found in Dave Mustaine’s own attic covering all album tracks except “These Boots…”
- Includes a remastered version of Megadeth's "Skull Beneath The Skin" 1984 demo!

1. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (04:44)
2. Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good! (03:08)
3. The Skull Beneath the Skin (03:48)
4. Rattlehead (03:43)
5. Chosen Ones (02:53)
6. Looking Down the Cross (05:03)
7. Mechanix (04:25)
8. These Boots (03:42)
- Live Tracks -
9. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (live) (1987 London, UK) (04:48)
10. Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good! (live) (1986
Denver, CO) (04:08)
11. The Skull Beneath the Skin (live) (1990 London, UK) (03:36)
12. Rattlehead (live) (1987 Bochum, Germany) (04:05)
13. Chosen Ones (live) (1986 Denver, CO) (03:49)
14. Looking Down the Cross (live) (1986 Denver, CO) (04:40)
15. Mechanix (live) (1986 Denver, CO) (03:47)
- Demo 1984 -
16. Last Rites / Loved to Deth (demo) (04:15)
17. The Skull Beneath the Skin (demo) (03:12)
18. Mechanix (demo) (Remastered) (04:00)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on June 03, 2018, 06:09:34 AM
Interested in it but haven't gotten a listen myself. I haven't seen any reviews so far
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on June 03, 2018, 09:12:50 AM
I’m interested in hearing this out of curiousity but KIMB just isn’t a good album imo and no amount of remixes is going to change my opinion about the songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 25, 2018, 12:09:12 PM
(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/28D1B950-DD24-4183-810C-31B326DA7370_zps6epd4yhh.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/28D1B950-DD24-4183-810C-31B326DA7370_zps6epd4yhh.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on September 25, 2018, 02:27:43 PM
Cool logo. These cruises have been very successful, but this is pretty late in the game to be starting a new one, I think. A lot of competition on the high seas for metal...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on September 25, 2018, 04:56:59 PM
capitalizing on david hasslehoff's gig
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 01, 2018, 11:16:37 AM
Finally picked up the recent re-issue/remaster/remix(?) of Killing is My Business - The Final Kill. Damn it sounds great. I forgot just how insanely fast and pure thrash they were then. Amazing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 01, 2018, 01:25:52 PM
One of Metal's most forgotten albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2018, 01:46:31 PM
For good reason
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Walrus on October 01, 2018, 02:02:31 PM
^ Hush up.

Early Megadeth is tops. Doesn't get much better than that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 01, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
For good reason

You are forbidden to speak/post on Megadeth topics, given your big fandom of RISK, which is, as any Megadeth fan knows, the band's most horrendous record.  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Walrus on October 01, 2018, 02:55:13 PM
For good reason

You are forbidden to speak/post on Megadeth topics, given your big fandom of RISK, which is, as any Megadeth fan knows, is the band's most horrendous record.  :rollin

Wait, bosk actually likes RISK?! And he's trashing early 'deth?!  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 01, 2018, 03:08:04 PM
Oh yeah. I thought everyone knew that. He's a huge fan of RISK. Which is why all his 'DETH opinions are invalid.  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 01, 2018, 03:12:04 PM
No question..
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Walrus on October 01, 2018, 03:16:15 PM
Wow. No wonder he leaves the carts out. See what bad metal does to you?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2018, 03:27:07 PM
4th best Megadeth album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ZKX-2099 on October 02, 2018, 08:49:47 AM
What if you really like Risk and the early stuff as well?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on October 02, 2018, 08:53:19 AM
I don't like Risk at all but the song Ecstasy is nice and groovy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 09:09:15 AM
What if you really like Risk and the early stuff as well?

Yeah, I just don't like early, "raw" thrash.  It doesn't click with me, and never has.  I don't like Megadeth's early albums or Metallica's earliest stuff either, for that matter.  Rust in Peace was really where I feel like they found their stride.  And even though they somewhat commercialized their sound for Countdown and Youthanasia, I really loved those albums as well.  That is the sweet spot for Megadeth, for me.  Risk was totally out of left field, but has some really awesome songs.  Take out Arena/Crush, and it's a pretty solid album. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 09:54:33 AM
Megadeth is a strange band. I really dig them, but their output has been really spotty to me.

I agree with bosk1 that the band really didn't hit its stride until Rust in Peace. That said, I am a bigger fan of early thrash, so I dig the stuff that came before a whole hell of a lot. But if push came to shove, Rust in Peace was the band's high water mark. Like all bands in the early 90s, they capitalized on that with Countdown to Extinction, which was a bit more polished, but still thrash with a bigger emphasis on bringing in hard rock people. It worked. Metallica did the same jump from ...And Justice to the Black album, Queensryche from Mindcrime to Empire, etc. It was simply what was done back then. They all did it.

Youthanasia followed, and like bosk1, I really like that too, although it started to veer a bit much into melodic territory for a thrash band, IMO. Again, Metallica had the same trajectory, but worse, going at it full tilt with Load. Then came Cryptic Writings, if my memory is working this morning. In some parts, its heavier, and in other parts, its much more commercial. It was really a hit and miss album for me personally, although I liked probably four of five songs. The producer they used on this album convinced Dave to approach things in a different way, and that really was captured on RISK, where Megadeth fell off the wagon.

Even when the band put out The World Needs a Hero, it really wasn't much better than Cryptic, just darker (and killer artwork). The frustrating thing on that record was that one of the best songs from that era was a b-side, "Kill the King." That and "Disconnect," for me, are tops from that album cycle. They started making their way back (for me at least) with The System Has Failed, and that continued with United Abominations, and Endgame. I thought that three-record run was dynamite, with the occasional bad tune (for example, that horrendous ballad that is the only bad track on Endgame).

Then Dave showed he didn't learn. He once again started trying to go more melodic, with Thirteen, with what was to my ears, his attempt to do another Countdown to Extinction. It was OK, but...eh. And Super Collider...the title track is awful. But I really dug Kingmaker and Dance in the Rain. But the album sort of fell flat after the title track was pushed so hard as the single. Then, finally, the pendulum started swinging back high the other way, with Dystopia, which I think is probably a top-5 in Megadeth's career. (After Rust, Countdown, Peace Sells, and United Abominations). It's up there with Endgame for me in that 5/6 territory.

But its just funny to me that every time Dave makes some inroads, he tries to go commercial, and then has to reset all over again. Honestly, thrash bands have the most difficult time. If you're thrash, you're not really given a lot of leeway by fans to explore new musical ground. You get some, for sure. But once it veers into that commercial hard rock territory, it just feels wrong. Metallica, as much as people laud them...they haven't sounded like Metallica since the Black album. Hell, they have "METAL" as their name, but Load and Re-Load were hard rock at best. They never did find their way back to thrash (and the Black album was not thrash). They've tried, but it just sounded contrived. Megadeth has had more success going back to the thrash well, but unlike Metallica, never exploded into a global icon, so they have less leeway with fans for whatever reason.

But even next tier thrash bands, such as Testament and Death Angel. The moment they veer into commercial territory, it doesn't quite feel right, and then they realize it and right the ship. It's not that the commercial sounding stuff isn't good, but you expect thrash bands to thrash, not be a catchy hard rock band.

Other bands that weren't thrash, but were metal/hard rock, had wider boxes (to a degree) to work in. But if you were thrash, it sort of handcuffed you (unless you were Metallica - and even then, all the diehards know that KEA-Black album are the best in the band's history, and from Load-present, aren't even in the same ballpark, even if they won't admit it publicly).

Megadeth though - what a rollercoaster ride. Hopefully, with the end probably being near (Dave seems to be declining, the shows are shorter, everything is downtuned -- which is crazy, considering nothing in Megadeth's catalog is hard to sing), Dave has realized this, and will give us another album or two of heavy, great thrash metal to bookend things. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Walrus on October 02, 2018, 09:57:20 AM
I would've been fine if Dystopia had been the last Megadeth album. What a strong return to form, honestly my favorite Deth album since Rust.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 10:00:13 AM
I would've been fine if Dystopia had been the last Megadeth album.

I'm with you on this. Part of me is happy they are doing another one. But if it slips in quality, it'll be a huge letdown. I am hoping Kiko's playing continues to inspire Dave to go heavier and complex. Just one last huge one, and then call it a day after the inevitable four-year tour cycle.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 10:18:00 AM
Youthanasia followed, and like bosk1, I really like that too, although it started to veer a bit much into melodic territory for a thrash band, IMO.

I was fine with it on Youthanasia because it still felt genuine and felt true to their roots.  Cryptic, to me, is when they went too far.  And despite some heaviness (the nastiness of that main riff in Trust, for example), it just didn't strike a chord with me the way the previous three albums and the Hidden Treasures EP had.

Even when the band put out The World Needs a Hero, it really wasn't much better than Cryptic, just darker (and killer artwork).

That album was very hit and miss.  The title track and a few others were really killer.  And Jimmy's drumming on that album is amazing.  Unfortunately, there is a lot that drags the album down a bit.  And the band were really struggling to find their direction, or so it felt like.  I mean, Dave obviously realized they needed a major course correction after Risk, but it seemed like the album was more of an attempt to show the fans that they were still Megadeth instead of just being Megadeth, if that makes sense.  That may not have been the intent.  But it feels like it.

The frustrating thing on that record was that one of the best songs from that era was a b-side, "Kill the King." That and "Disconnect," for me, are tops from that album cycle.

As I recall, Kill the King was actually written specifically for Capitol Punishment.  That and Dread and the Fugitive Mind were pretty killer. 

...Dystopia

I have found something to like on just about every album.  After TWNAH, the albums honestly blur together so much that it's hard for me to remember which songs I like from which ones.  But Dystopia is easily the best thing they have released since those earlier albums.  I wouldn't put it quite up there with them.  But I honestly can't say it is a step down.  A lot of it is simply that their time, and my connection with that kind of music, is kind of past.  There was an era for it, and I like looking back on it.  But by and large, I would rather go back and revisit the classic stuff than hear new stuff, even if arguably, it is just as good.  But Dystopia is a fine effort.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 10:29:44 AM

As I recall, Kill the King was actually written specifically for Capitol Punishment.  That and Dread and the Fugitive Mind were pretty killer. 

Hmm. I could have sworn it was a track written in the TWNAH sessions. It was played live on Rude Awakening, and on the tour for TWNAH, which I am guessing all came before Capitol Punishment. Not saying you're wrong, as I am not an expert on Megadeth history, but I could swear it was written for TWNAH. Regardless, its in that general time period.

And I agree, Dread and the Fugitive Mind is a great one. That, Disconnect, and Kill the King. My top ones from that album cycle/period.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 10:42:25 AM
Capitol Punishment came first.  I think that is where your confusion lies.  CP came out in 2000.  It was the last release on Capitol.  TWNAH was released in 2001 on Sanctuary.  I am not sure if there were separate writing sessions, so it all may have blurred together.  Because of the timing, I was under the impression that Kill the King, Dread, and the song Capitol Punishment were written before they really started on the writing for TWNAH, but hard to say.

But anyhow, for all intents and purposes, it is all the same album cycle since CP was a "best of" compilation to finish out their contract, which was then followed by TWNAH as their next studio release the following year, and then Rude Awakening from the tour that followed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 10:46:53 AM
Capitol Punishment came first.  I think that is where your confusion lies.  CP came out in 2000.  It was the last release on Capitol.  TWNAH was released in 2001 on Sanctuary.  I am not sure if there were separate writing sessions, so it all may have blurred together.  Because of the timing, I was under the impression that Kill the King, Dread, and the song Capitol Punishment were written before they really started on the writing for TWNAH, but hard to say.

But anyhow, for all intents and purposes, it is all the same album cycle since CP was a "best of" compilation to finish out their contract, which was then followed by TWNAH as their next studio release the following year, and then Rude Awakening from the tour that followed.

Wait, so CP came first, and included Dread? Dread was on TWNAH, so technically, if that was on TWNAH, sounds to me it was all the same sessions. Basically, two of my favorite three songs from TWNAH time period are on CP. I don't think I ever bothered to listen to the song, "Capitol Punishment." I should do that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on October 02, 2018, 10:49:38 AM

As I recall, Kill the King was actually written specifically for Capitol Punishment.  That and Dread and the Fugitive Mind were pretty killer. 

Hmm. I could have sworn it was a track written in the TWNAH sessions. It was played live on Rude Awakening, and on the tour for TWNAH, which I am guessing all came before Capitol Punishment. Not saying you're wrong, as I am not an expert on Megadeth history, but I could swear it was written for TWNAH. Regardless, its in that general time period.

And I agree, Dread and the Fugitive Mind is a great one. That, Disconnect, and Kill the King. My top ones from that album cycle/period.

Kill the King and Dread were songs written for TWNAH.   Capitol Records forced Dave to give them those two songs for Capitol Punishment, which completed their contract.   Dave negotiated with them and was able to also use Dread on TWNAH, since he felt that was a really strong song, and the better of the two.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 10:51:04 AM
Yes, CP was first.  It was released in October 2000, and TWNAH in May 2001.  It may have been from the same sessions.  Or the first three songs could have been done in some pre-TWNAH or "warmup" sessions.  Not sure.  It was all right around the same timeframe though.  Honestly, I have no idea why Dread was included on both.  Just one of those quirky things that could have been for any number of reasons.

EDIT:  And I don't doubt Grapp's further clarification.  It makes sense.  But I have never seen that officially said anywhere, so I'm taking his word for it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 10:51:47 AM

As I recall, Kill the King was actually written specifically for Capitol Punishment.  That and Dread and the Fugitive Mind were pretty killer. 

Hmm. I could have sworn it was a track written in the TWNAH sessions. It was played live on Rude Awakening, and on the tour for TWNAH, which I am guessing all came before Capitol Punishment. Not saying you're wrong, as I am not an expert on Megadeth history, but I could swear it was written for TWNAH. Regardless, its in that general time period.

And I agree, Dread and the Fugitive Mind is a great one. That, Disconnect, and Kill the King. My top ones from that album cycle/period.

Kill the King and Dread were songs written for TWNAH.   Capitol Records forced Dave to give them those two songs for Capitol Punishment, which completed their contract.   Dave negotiated with them and was able to also use Dread on TWNAH, since he felt that was a really strong song, and the better of the two.

Yeah, that now is what I remember. I couldn't remember the details.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on October 02, 2018, 11:01:59 AM
Yes, CP was first.  It was released in October 2000, and TWNAH in May 2001.  It may have been from the same sessions.  Or the first three songs could have been done in some pre-TWNAH or "warmup" sessions.  Not sure.  It was all right around the same timeframe though.  Honestly, I have no idea why Dread was included on both.  Just one of those quirky things that could have been for any number of reasons.

EDIT:  And I don't doubt Grapp's further clarification.  It makes sense.  But I have never seen that officially said anywhere, so I'm taking his word for it.

I just remember it from the release of TWNAH and don't know if any records of Dave's explanation exist.  I followed the band very closely then and recall Dave saying that was the case.  Kill the King is my favorite of the two, but Dave was adamant that he wasn't going to let Dread fester away on a greatest hits album and ensured that he could use it as well.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 11:02:27 AM
Well, thanks to this discussion, I am going back to listen to the album for the first time in forever.  The songs I remember liking are Disconnect, TWNAH, Warhorse, Dread, Silent Scorn, and Return to Hangar.  I didn't much care for Moto Psycho, 1000 Times Goodbye, or Losing My Senses.  I don't recall the other songs.

EDIT:  And I have to say that Megadeth really has some outstanding non-album tracks throughout the years.  Fully half of Hidden Treasures highlights that.  Then you have tracks like Dread (even though it ended up becoming an album track), and Kill the King.  I know they have a few more out there as well, but I'm not familiar with them.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 11:42:57 AM
Well, thanks to this discussion, I am going back to listen to the album for the first time in forever.  The songs I remember liking are Disconnect, TWNAH, Warhorse, Dread, Silent Scorn, and Return to Hangar.  I didn't much care for Moto Psycho, 1000 Times Goodbye, or Losing My Senses.  I don't recall the other songs.

EDIT:  And I have to say that Megadeth really has some outstanding non-album tracks throughout the years.  Fully half of Hidden Treasures highlights that.  Then you have tracks like Dread (even though it ended up becoming an album track), and Kill the King.  I know they have a few more out there as well, but I'm not familiar with them.

Angry Again is another one. Soundtrack song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 02, 2018, 12:36:30 PM
Absolutely.  It is probably my favorite of all.  I didn't mention it specifically because I implicitly included it in my mention of Hidden Treasures.  It's a shame that song for some reason doesn't seem to translate well in a live setting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 01:21:04 PM
Absolutely.  It is probably my favorite of all.  I didn't mention it specifically because I implicitly included it in my mention of Hidden Treasures.  It's a shame that song for some reason doesn't seem to translate well in a live setting.

I think live its too mid-tempo, and they lose some of the layering in the studio. I completely agree with you that it isn't as impactful live. But I love the studio version. Good stuff. I may have to go crank it after I get done with the record I am listening to.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dublagent66 on October 02, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
CTE was a great follow up album to the masterpiece RIP, but after that, they steadily starting going downhill.  Youthanasia was pretty good but not quite all there.  CW didn't really grab me much at all.  Since then, I've purchased 2 more albums.  UA and Endgame.  Megadeth has been off my radar for quite a while.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2018, 02:23:45 PM
Well if you were only going to purchase 2 latter day Megadeth albums, then UA and Endgame would be the ones to get.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 03:30:39 PM
Well if you were only going to purchase 2 latter day Megadeth albums, then UA and Endgame would be the ones to get.

Not a fan of Dystopia, T?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2018, 03:42:03 PM
Oh definitely. Dystopia is excellent. I'm glad they released that because I thought they released a couple of duds after the amazing Endgame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 02, 2018, 03:51:32 PM
Oh definitely. Dystopia is excellent. I'm glad they released that because I thought they released a couple of duds after the amazing Endgame.

If it wasn't for that horrendous ballad "The Hardest Part is Letting Go...Sealed with a Kiss," Endgame would have been absolutely perfect from beginning to end. I've always been tempted to delete it from my tracklist on my iPod, so I can pretend it doesn't exist.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 03, 2018, 06:20:23 AM
Well if you were only going to purchase 2 latter day Megadeth albums, then UA and Endgame would be the ones to get.

Preach.

But I do also love Dystopia  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on October 03, 2018, 07:35:41 AM
UA is good but I get such a (I hate using this word) “filler” vibe from a bunch of the songs, mainly You’re Dead, Amerikhastan, and Blessed Are The Dead. Not to mention the completely horrendous redo of ATLM. Washington Is Next! and Gears Of War are two of my favorite songs of theirs though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 03, 2018, 08:27:29 AM
UA is good but I get such a (I hate using this word) “filler” vibe from a bunch of the songs, mainly You’re Dead, Amerikhastan, and Blessed Are The Dead. Not to mention the completely horrendous redo of ATLM. Washington Is Next! and Gears Of War are two of my favorite songs of theirs though.

I have a playlist where Blackmail the Universe is followed by Washington is Next! It continues with Holy Wars, Hangar 18, then Kick the Chair. Talk about a road rage play list.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on October 03, 2018, 08:35:15 AM
UA is good but I get such a (I hate using this word) “filler” vibe from a bunch of the songs, mainly You’re Dead, Amerikhastan, and Blessed Are The Dead. Not to mention the completely horrendous redo of ATLM. Washington Is Next! and Gears Of War are two of my favorite songs of theirs though.

I have a playlist where Blackmail the Universe is followed by Washington is Next! It continues with Holy Wars, Hangar 18, then Kick the Chair. Talk about a road rage play list.  :metal

That playlist reminds me of seeing them when they opened for Heaven and Hell.  I have a lot of nostalgia for United Abominations based the set that they played that night, since the album came out a few days after the show.  Dave specifically said after a few songs "I'm not talking much tonight because we have limited time and we're just going to crank through these songs.  So it was non-stop thrashing from one song into the next with almost no breaks.

Sleepwalker
Take No Prisoners
Kick the Chair
Wake Up Dead
Hangar 18
Washington Is Next!
Symphony of Destruction
Tornado of Souls
Peace Sells
   
Encore:

Holy Wars... The Punishment Due


That's one of my favorite setlists that they've ever played and it was only 10 songs.  Nearly half of Rust in Peace (4) and the rest are all total bangers - Symphony is the first song in the set that isn't a full on thrasher.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 04, 2018, 04:29:57 PM
Well if you were only going to purchase 2 latter day Megadeth albums, then UA and Endgame would be the ones to get.

I would probably go TSHF over UA.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2018, 04:54:36 PM
Can't go wrong there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 08, 2018, 07:32:02 PM
(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/28D1B950-DD24-4183-810C-31B326DA7370_zps6epd4yhh.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/28D1B950-DD24-4183-810C-31B326DA7370_zps6epd4yhh.jpg.html)


Armored Saint confirmed!

https://bravewords.com/news/megadeth-dave-mustaine-confirms-armored-saint-for-megacruise-talks-kegadeth-festival-audio-interview
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 11, 2018, 10:11:12 AM
I've never taken a cruise, but I'm tempted.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 11, 2018, 11:02:13 AM
Yeah, especially that Anthrax and Testament are both going to be on it!!

https://bravewords.com/news/anthrax-testament-corrosion-of-conformity-devildriver-john-5-and-armored-saint-confirmed-for-megadeth-s-megacruise
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 11, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
I've never taken a cruise, but I'm tempted.
I've done that same route for a non-concert cruise.  It's a nice, relatively short "intro" cruise. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 11, 2018, 01:38:54 PM
I've never taken a cruise, but I'm tempted.
I've done that same route for a non-concert cruise.  It's a nice, relatively short "intro" cruise.

Did you leave the beach chairs all over the deck like you do the shopping carts in a parking lot?  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 11, 2018, 01:40:04 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/WuGSL4LFUMQU/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on October 11, 2018, 01:40:20 PM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on October 11, 2018, 01:47:43 PM
You know you like it.  :vaderloungin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 04, 2019, 03:12:44 PM
I got this message today on my email

https://www.megadeth.com/videos/other/36920/january-11-megadeth-com
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on January 04, 2019, 05:22:54 PM
I got this message today on my email

https://www.megadeth.com/videos/other/36920/january-11-megadeth-com

Odd. Another RIP reissue maybe?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2019, 05:44:06 PM
Hopefully not a re-record or something.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 04, 2019, 07:24:11 PM
It sounded like a new riff I think.
Maybe a new album coming?
I hope it’s not a remaster of sorts
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 04, 2019, 07:29:54 PM
It sounded like a new riff I think.


No it didn't.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on January 05, 2019, 06:40:13 AM
It sounded like a new riff I think.
Maybe a new album coming?
I hope it’s not a remaster of sorts

The riff was Take No Prisoners from RIP.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 05, 2019, 07:42:03 AM
Oh, then it must be something related to RIP
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 11, 2019, 02:36:10 PM
There goes my hopes of a new album

https://www.megadeth.com/news/457897/megadeth-warheads-on-foreheads
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on January 11, 2019, 02:39:55 PM
But their new single is AMAZING.  https://www.sonicperspectives.com/news/dream-theater-release-lyric-video-for-new-single-fall-into-the-light/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2019, 03:01:14 PM
There goes my hopes of a new album

https://www.megadeth.com/news/457897/megadeth-warheads-on-foreheads

Because we really need another greatest hits album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on January 11, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
Mustaine is clearly trying his hardest to earn his retirement bread. His voice is gone and he looks old as dirt all of a sudden. New music is where he should be focused and working on his voice. Greatest hits, we already have them! Please stop regurgitating Dave
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on January 11, 2019, 03:44:44 PM
What's the f'n point, really?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 11, 2019, 04:33:40 PM
What's the f'n point, really?

Makes a classy band look like they are taking the piss.  Don't turn into fucking Gene Simmons Dave.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Walrus on January 11, 2019, 04:41:40 PM
What's with the anger?

Megadeth has been plenty prolific over the years and I was led to believe they are still writing a new album. GH or not they don't take 8 damn years to release mediocrity like Metallica does (inb4 "yeah, they only take a couple instead"). Just don't buy the GH and wait for a new album...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on January 12, 2019, 03:47:25 AM
I sure wouldn't miss a new Megadeth album. Of the five albums that have come out in the recent ten year span, not a single one was great. We might as well focus on other bands.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Walrus on January 12, 2019, 04:19:00 AM
Dystopia was the best thing since RIP imo.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Art on January 12, 2019, 04:51:09 AM
Dystopia was pretty good indeed, i really want another album with the current band.

They are not the first or will be the last band to put out a lot of GH compilations. Just don't buy it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: krands85 on January 12, 2019, 05:37:33 AM
Yeah I really liked Dystopia as well, plus I thought Endgame was really good too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 12, 2019, 02:12:15 PM
I sure wouldn't miss a new Megadeth album. Of the five albums that have come out in the recent ten year span, not a single one was great. We might as well focus on other bands.

Lol wut?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on January 12, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
Yeah, the last album I was truly impressed with was The System has failed.

As much as people like Endgame and Dystopia, to me they sound like Dave's attempt to prove his heaviness despite the fact that he would much rather record albums like Super collider. Which might be the best one of the bunch, it sounds more honest and heartfelt than the ones that are kind of dialed in.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Walrus on January 12, 2019, 04:49:34 PM
That is interesting, because I thought the band sounded so heavy in a truly natural way on Dystopia. It really sounded like it was angry, even though I disagree big time with Dave's political views it sounds so honest on that record.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Hanz Gruber on January 12, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
Mustaine is clearly trying his hardest to earn his retirement bread. His voice is gone and he looks old as dirt all of a sudden. New music is where he should be focused and working on his voice. Greatest hits, we already have them! Please stop regurgitating Dave

I think a new studio album is coming out this year. Megadeth has been really good about pumping out releases. This is the longest they have had between albums in quite a while.

They have been talking about their new music in interviews they say it will be a 2019 release
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on January 13, 2019, 07:32:51 AM
I just hope the drums aren't neutered like they did with Drover. He's probably a great drummer, but he felt so restrained in Megadeth whereas Chris Adler's drumming on Dystopia was a lot more interesting. Adler is a big name so I'm guessing Dave didn't do much micro-managing, but Dirk might go along with the status-quo and not challenge Mustaine for fear of losing his job. I want to hear ridiculous drumming as that's always been Megadeth's weakest point IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on January 14, 2019, 04:50:21 PM
Nick Menza was great. This new guy and his headphones makes him look like an imbecile when they play live.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on January 15, 2019, 06:34:00 AM
Nick Menza was great. This new guy and his headphones makes him look like an imbecile when they play live.

Menza was cool and he was a very early influence in my drumming, but his playing always felt restrained to me which is not typically something I like in metal. Megadeth never had the same sort of powerhouse drumming that the other Big 4 bands had and I feel like the drums could've been more adventurous on every single album. I think the drumming on Dystopia and The System Has Failed is their strongest and it's most likely because they used drummers who were somewhat of an elevated status that Mustaine probably didn't feel the need to "direct" so to speak.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on May 09, 2019, 10:15:44 PM
BUMP...

Can I just say that Loved to Deth is the **LAST** song I would have ever expected from an iPhone commercial?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 09, 2019, 10:33:33 PM
BUMP...

Can I just say that Loved to Deth is the **LAST** song I would have ever expected from an iPhone commercial?

Just walked into a bar and saw that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 28, 2019, 10:14:41 PM
An interesting revelation from Junior on his status with the band:

https://metalinjection.net/its-just-business/david-ellefson-reveals-hes-a-salaried-employee-in-megadeth-he-had-to-give-up-some-ownership-for-the-sake-of-his-friendship-with-mustaine

I've never been a Mustaine hater or complainer but this seems a bit of a low blow to Junior. Kudos to him on being the bigger man here.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2019, 05:40:44 AM
There's almost no one I respect more in metal than David Ellefson. As long as he is happy with the arrangement, then cool. It sounds like it got pretty ugly.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on May 29, 2019, 06:14:05 AM
To be fair, Ellefson did sue Mustaine for $18.5 million about 15 years ago.  It was dismissed, but I recall that Dave was pretty hurt by the lawsuit, so it's not surprising to learn that Ellefson had to relinquish his ownership of the band. 

Ultimately, as long as everyone is happy and Megadeth has both of them kicking ass, it doesn't matter. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 29, 2019, 03:12:42 PM
To be fair, Ellefson did sue Mustaine for $18.5 million about 15 years ago.  It was dismissed, but I recall that Dave was pretty hurt by the lawsuit, so it's not surprising to learn that Ellefson had to relinquish his ownership of the band. 
OTOH, Ellefson was probably insulted when Mustaine told him he was reforming the band, and that he expected Ellefson to now be a salaried employee, as opposed to the full business partner that he previously was. I don't blame him at all for suing Mustaine.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on June 17, 2019, 10:44:38 AM
Dave just announced he's battling throat cancer. All Megadeth shows cancelled for this year, although the Megacruise will go on with various Mega members.

Cancer may not have Dave Mustaine. NO NO NO NO NO. I know he's done more drugs than the rest of the world combined. But no no no no no.

Here's hoping Dave kicks cancer's ass.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Walrus on June 17, 2019, 10:46:51 AM
No no no. This is not a good way to start the week. I hope he beats it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on June 17, 2019, 11:51:40 AM
Just saw this on Twitter. Really sucks. I have seen Megadeth many times and they have never disappointed. Was always in awe of Dave's playing ability.

Hoping he beats this. Throat cancer for a singer seems really bad.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 17, 2019, 01:07:27 PM

Here's hoping Dave kicks cancer's ass.

 :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 17, 2019, 01:36:21 PM
I finally finished Bruce Dickinson's last chapter in his book the other day which was about his battle with throat cancer.  Scary stuff, especially for a singer, so sad.  Sucks, but I read he has a 90% chance of beating it and I think based on what I just read about Bruce, if you got the right mindset to attack it the throat cancers are often very treatable but its a long and painful process.  I wish him lots of luck with recovery. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: frogprog on June 17, 2019, 02:45:37 PM
I wish Dave much luck in his coming battle. I fought throat cancer in 2017 and it is no picnic. The treatments are a bitch and I will never be what I was before but I try to smile every day and be thankful because it sure beats the alternative!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 17, 2019, 03:53:44 PM
What shit news.  Thoughts are with him and hope he beats this into the ground.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 17, 2019, 03:54:19 PM
I wish Dave much luck in his coming battle. I fought throat cancer in 2017 and it is no picnic. The treatments are a bitch and I will never be what I was before but I try to smile every day and be thankful because it sure beats the alternative!

Much respect dude.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on June 18, 2019, 08:52:31 AM
The best thing I can do as a fan is stay positive and send good vibes Dave's way through listening to his music.  We like to think that our favorite musicians are untouchable, but they're human just like us.  I'm happy to know that they're going to continue working on the new record as much as possible.  Dystopia kicks so much ass and I'm excited to see what Dirk and Kiko bring to some new songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on June 18, 2019, 01:58:41 PM
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on June 25, 2019, 08:12:36 AM
I've been listening to a ton of Megadeth since Dave made his announcement, and trying to reach for albums that I always gloss over when I tend to just grab Peace Sells or RIP.  So I've pretty much listened to everything from 1994 onward and really focused on the albums after Dave reformed the band as well.

I had completely forgotten how much I love Cryptic Writings.  The album has some great singles - Trust, Almost Honest, and some burners like The Disintegrators as well.  But that last half of the record is just slamming:   Sin, A Secret Place (what an incredible song), Have Cool/Will Travel, and then the non-stop onslaught of She Wolf, Vortex and FFF to close it out. 

I actually don't find myself skipping one single song on the album, though I'll Get Even is probably the worst song on the record.  Dave's vocals really soar on some of these songs too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on June 25, 2019, 08:18:40 AM
A Secret Place :metal

Cryptic Writings is one of their very best albums, I listen to it quite a lot when I'm in a Megadeth mood.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on June 25, 2019, 12:02:30 PM
I also love that one. It would probably end up right behind CTE and KIMBABIG if I ranked the albums. It's so catchy, consistent and well balanced.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 25, 2019, 01:59:33 PM
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late

My guess this is from eating pussy as many other celebrities have gotten throat cancer from this via HPV.  Apparently that's also very treatable which are the two reasons I am guessing that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Herrick on June 25, 2019, 07:16:07 PM
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late

Didn't he have some sort of medical problem with his throat years ago?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on June 26, 2019, 12:12:31 AM
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late

My guess this is from eating pussy as many other celebrities have gotten throat cancer from this via HPV.  Apparently that's also very treatable which are the two reasons I am guessing that.

If I remember correctly, this is how Michael Douglas got it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2019, 04:15:40 AM
That's something I would want on my tombstone.

"Died by eating too much pussy"  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: millahh on June 26, 2019, 04:55:31 AM
That's something I would want on my tombstone.

"Died by eating too much pussy"  :lol

"Death...by snu-snu!"
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 26, 2019, 06:12:42 AM
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late

My guess this is from eating pussy as many other celebrities have gotten throat cancer from this via HPV.  Apparently that's also very treatable which are the two reasons I am guessing that.

If I remember correctly, this is how Michael Douglas got it.

And Bruce Dickinson, it's common.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on June 27, 2019, 05:18:23 PM
I'm wondering if this had any part of his rapid voice change and how long he's had it? Hopefully it's not too late

My guess this is from eating pussy as many other celebrities have gotten throat cancer from this via HPV.  Apparently that's also very treatable which are the two reasons I am guessing that.

Nothing but problems when it comes to pussy  :xbones
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on July 26, 2019, 09:24:20 AM
David Ellefson's new book came out this week - a sequel to his prior biography.  This one has been really fun to read so far, and I'm only partway through.  It chronicles his years after the Megadeth breakup in 2002, how he came to rejoin the band, and more. 

The book features a lot of anecdotes from other musicians and industry personnel dropped into the chapters, so you get an outsider's perspective of the situation that David is explaining from someone who was also there at the time. 

(http://bravewords.com/medias-static/DavidEllefsonMorelifewithdeth.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 28, 2019, 08:08:19 AM
GOOD NEWS:

https://loudwire.com/dave-mustaine-done-cancer-treatment/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on October 28, 2019, 08:25:59 AM
Thats great, I'm kind of surprised the band still seems to be going strong for the future.  Like, already touring this winter and as far as I know, they are still scheduled to open for Ozzy's US tour this summer (the one Ozzy cancelled last year) plus Megadeth are still trying to release an album in 2020.  Part of me says maybe they should leave 2020 open for Dave to take his time.  But what do I know?  Maybe he's really doing well and will be perfectly fine for all their plans, which I certainly hope. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on October 28, 2019, 08:31:03 AM
Maybe that's a way to keep him commited and motivated, to give him something to long for. Well, it's not that he would go anyway "Well, we don't have a new album coming out, guess I'll die", but keeping him focused on work is great for the morale and to think about something else.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on October 28, 2019, 08:35:11 AM
I guess, I just wouldn't want work to be rushing him in a way.  It's not like Megadeth wouldn't be around if he dedicated a full year to recovery.  But I'm no doctor and could completely be off base here.  I did read Bruce Dickinson's book and his chapter about dealing with his own throat cancer makes me thing you need a lot of time for this, especially for a singer. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 29, 2019, 12:45:40 PM
Dave Sells but who’s buying?

https://reverb.com/news/official-dave-mustaine-reverb-shop-preview
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 04, 2019, 10:31:10 AM
The Official Dave Mustaine Reverb Shop Is Now Live

https://reverb.com/shop/the-official-dave-mustaine-reverb-shop
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lonk on November 04, 2019, 11:53:02 AM
Almost everything sold already except for a couple rack-mount effects and some percussion stuff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 02, 2020, 05:52:16 PM
Megadeth newsletter:

We're excited to partner with KNOTFEST to premiere our 2018 performance from RESURRECTION FEST 2018 tomorrow, April 3 @ 3pm ET / Noon PT / 8pm UK. David Ellefson will be in the YouTube chat during the performance, so get your questions ready. Tune in at knotfest.com
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 22, 2021, 09:17:25 PM
Resurrecting this necrothread to say that I'll be speaking with Dave Ellefson tomorrow!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2021, 05:26:33 AM
Resurrecting this necrothread to say that I'll be speaking with Dave Ellefson tomorrow!

Epic mate!  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: the_silent_man on March 23, 2021, 07:54:33 AM
Would be great to get some more info on the new album. They've been making that thing since forever
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2021, 09:14:34 AM
Resurrecting this necrothread to say that I'll be speaking with Dave Ellefson tomorrow!

What is the occasion? Does he have something new to promote?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on March 23, 2021, 10:35:04 AM
Did anyone see the news of Ellefson's group with Jeff Scott Soto, simply titled Ellefson-Soto?  I just finished watching their version of Riot's "Swords & Tequila".  Pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSDqHiQk0QY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSDqHiQk0QY)

Personally, I'm a little tired of all of these projects.  But, they're two very talented musicians and it's not coming out on Frontiers.  So, I'll keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 23, 2021, 11:46:06 AM
Resurrecting this necrothread to say that I'll be speaking with Dave Ellefson tomorrow!

What is the occasion? Does he have something new to promote?

Ellefson and a guy named Drew Fortier are promoting a book they wrote, and they will release a horror film in October. Drew is an interesting guy as well, and the chat will be with both. I will definitely ask WHAT Dave can reveal about the new album, and about his new project with Jeff Scott Soto.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 01, 2021, 10:29:25 AM
 Here's my interview with Dave Ellefson - hope you like it!!!


 https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-dave-ellefson-drew-fortier/?fbclid=IwAR1-WOrzWZihT6jT52UhnmcTZPKtyIOcVujW14eQFK9fF5Xct3gdCxDzqC8
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on April 17, 2021, 06:36:01 PM

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/david-ellefson-on-upcoming-megadeth-album-as-an-instrumental-cd-it-would-be-an-amazing-prog-metal-record/

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on May 14, 2021, 03:14:48 AM
I heard Ellefson snapped the carrot on video and probably ended his Megadeth career...  :corn
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on May 14, 2021, 05:24:40 AM
So she recorded it and sent it to a "friend" who then leaked it online. Sounds like she and her "friend" need to be covered in bees.

And if Ellefson is married then shame on him. At least it appears the woman isn't trying to ruin his life, but place the blame on someone else. Or maybe he payed her to make that statement.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 14, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
Is it a blemish on Ellefson's character?  Sure.  He always came across as a great dude.  Plus, he's been married for decades.  But, he's an adult.  She's an adult.  This should have no bearing on his standing in Megadeth.  That statement the band released is bullshit.  And, unless Mustaine has been looking for a reason to get rid of Junior, he should be sticking by his guy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on May 14, 2021, 02:24:31 PM
This is one of the weirdest stories I've heard in awhile. Dude must've been horny as shit to think it was a good idea to record himself doing that
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 14, 2021, 03:12:56 PM
Is it a blemish on Ellefson's character?  Sure.  He always came across as a great dude.  Plus, he's been married for decades.  But, he's an adult.  She's an adult.  This should have no bearing on his standing in Megadeth.  That statement the band released is bullshit.  And, unless Mustaine has been looking for a reason to get rid of Junior, he should be sticking by his guy.

Megadeth's statement was definitely lame. But being a married guy, I'm always disappointed to hear this kind of thing, unless of course his wife doesn't mind.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 14, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
It's honestly none of our business really.  The only thing wrong is he cheated on his wife, which isn't a good thing, but that's a personal matter, but we also don't know if his wife and him have an open relationship or anything.  The guy's a rock star that travels the world.  It's really a non story IMO and the megadeth statement was lame.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 14, 2021, 03:17:26 PM
Just catching up.  This is strange lol.  WTF was he thinking?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TM172003 on May 14, 2021, 06:36:15 PM
The way people are defending him is really weird to me. It’s bad enough that he cheated on his wife, but it’s undeniably weird that he did this with a 19 year old when he’s nearly 60. Not to mention you’ve got to be really stupid to record yourself wanking and send it to some random girl and not expect it to leak online when you’re a celebrity. I love Ellefson’s playing and I think he’s a huge part of Megadeth’s sound, so I’m not a hater. I’m just really disappointed that this came to light because he seemed like such a cool guy. Not the actions you would expect from a “born again Christian”  :-\
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on May 14, 2021, 07:06:30 PM
The average guy shouldn't be dumb enough to show face if he's gonna whack off with a stranger online, let alone someone who is widely known across the globe.   :loser: Mustaine and Jizstain may be over once again...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 14, 2021, 09:29:45 PM
The way people are defending him is really weird to me. It’s bad enough that he cheated on his wife, but it’s undeniably weird that he did this with a 19 year old when he’s nearly 60. Not to mention you’ve got to be really stupid to record yourself wanking and send it to some random girl and not expect it to leak online when you’re a celebrity. I love Ellefson’s playing and I think he’s a huge part of Megadeth’s sound, so I’m not a hater. I’m just really disappointed that this came to light because he seemed like such a cool guy. Not the actions you would expect from a “born again Christian”  :-\

I don't know that I'd call it "weird".  He's human and he did something completely legal.  Is it "morally questionable"?  Sure.  Like we've said, he's married.  Was it dumb to get caught doing that on camera?  Absolutely.  But, once again, it's completely legal.  How many married guys jerk off to porn?  Not really any different.  Just that he did it to a live 19-year old and not a 19-year old porn star.  And, it's definitely not something over which he should lose his place in Megadeth. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on May 15, 2021, 05:18:04 AM
It's not a matter of legal that anyone is questioning. You're talking about a guy who needs to uphold an image for his job. People have posters, books, mags, memorabilia with this guy all over the place and now every time they look at it they are going to think of him beating off. It does tarnish the image of the band and as a result, they may very well cut him loose. A teacher has every right to jerk off on camera to a 19 year old too but if it was your math teacher, he'd be collecting unemployment and you know it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 15, 2021, 07:35:37 AM
You're talking about the bass player in a thrash band that's run by an ego-maniacal asshole who was a raging alcoholic and drug addict for between 10 and 20 years.  And, I'm a Megadeth fan.  What kind of image are you talking about?!?  People who have done way worse have been able to maintain careers (Vince Neil, anyone?!?). In the grand scheme of things, him jerking it is not that big a deal.  I, myself, never sought out any videos or pictures of what he did.  So, anytime I see them from now on, this certainly won't be entering my thoughts at all.  The dude wasn't thinking with the head on his shoulders.  He did no harm to himself or anyone else.  He just became a little more human.  In a perfect world, this non-issue would be gone by the next time the bass intro to "Peace Sells" was done.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: darkshade on May 15, 2021, 08:05:33 AM
This is the Louis CK of music star sex scandals.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on May 17, 2021, 05:48:02 PM
True but look at how people act now vs then, We didn't have cancel culture happening.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: darkshade on May 17, 2021, 07:14:44 PM
True but look at how people act now vs then, We didn't have cancel culture happening.

We did, at that point they called it "me too".
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 18, 2021, 09:09:27 AM
Megadeth is pretty much ruined for me now. How dare they have a bass player who masturbates? And online, of all places?? Who does he think he is??!?!?? Such a pervert!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 18, 2021, 10:31:48 AM
You're talking about the bass player in a thrash band that's run by an ego-maniacal asshole who was a raging alcoholic and drug addict for between 10 and 20 years.  And, I'm a Megadeth fan.  What kind of image are you talking about?!?  People who have done way worse have been able to maintain careers (Vince Neil, anyone?!?). In the grand scheme of things, him jerking it is not that big a deal.

Totally agree. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: eric42434224 on May 18, 2021, 10:46:40 AM
Davey might want to do a bit of self-reflection, and remember if he felt it was OK that Metallica kicked him to the curb for making mistakes.  If he is ok with it (really ok with it, and publicly so....I actually don't know the answer to that), then he is being consistent if he kicks him out.  If his position is that Metallica should have worked with him to give him an opportunity at redemption and preserve the relationship, well then he should do the same.  Personally, considering what people let slide in todays world, and considering the context of his job is playing in a thrash band, I think this is a big old double bacon and cheese nothing burger.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TM172003 on May 18, 2021, 10:53:53 AM
  If his position is that Metallica should have worked with him to give him an opportunity at redemption and preserve the relationship, well then he should do the same. 

https://youtu.be/mYQWzdPM6d4?t=82
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on May 24, 2021, 11:03:44 AM
I recall rumors and talk of Mustaine's infidelity 20-ish years ago, but with today's society I guess he's taking steps he feels he needs to take.  Seems like he had more issues with David that weren't made public.  At least I got to see Ellefson with Megadeth again in 2010 when he came back and played Rust in Peace in full with the band.

(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/188375011_323439555812128_8925471484652581326_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=FUvM_9FzQpIAX8diWc-&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=7881a9faeb26c3535faec440a68be0a4&oe=60CF82A9)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Volante99 on May 24, 2021, 11:22:56 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Mustaine wanted Ellefson out and this whole scandal was just an excuse.

Like most one-man bands, there’s usually a power/money struggle and we know Mustaine’s and Ellefson’s issues with that go way back. I’m sure there were still hard feelings there and Ellefson probably wanted a bigger slice of the pie whereas Mustaine probably sees no reason to pay a bassist more than minimum wage...good opportunity to free up some cash in the books.  :P

But that’s my pure cynical speculation on the situation.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: geeeemo on May 24, 2021, 11:37:16 AM
Well,  since this topic is now kind of eeew....I hope the replacement bass player is as hot as Kiko.   :o  I will be seeing Megadeth in August.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 24, 2021, 11:53:37 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Mustaine wanted Ellefson out and this whole scandal was just an excuse.

This is my best guess too. I dont really think what he did was anything worse than cheating on your wife which typically doesn't get you fired.  But the press release mentions an already strained relationship, I guess this was just the tipping point.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: goo-goo on May 24, 2021, 12:22:13 PM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Mustaine wanted Ellefson out and this whole scandal was just an excuse.

This is my best guess too. I dont really think what he did was anything worse than cheating on your wife which typically doesn't get you fired.  But the press release mentions an already strained relationship, I guess this was just the tipping point.

True but the claims also said the woman was underage and was being "groomed". Even though the woman came out and said everything was consensual, but there's no denying the "underage" association with Dave E. and Megadeth would have a negative effect in the band, specially in this age.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on May 24, 2021, 12:22:51 PM
For two guys who are supposed to be Christian - they sure don't act like it.



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True but the claims also said the woman was underage and was being "groomed". Even though the woman came out and said everything was consensual, but there's no denying the "underage" association with Dave E. and Megadeth would have a negative effect in the band, specially in this age.

If I was in a famous band i'd be too scared to talk to any females fans incase I get accused of something I 100% didn't do - and it ends my career anyway because

you're guilty immediately until proven innocent but even then your career is still fucked.

Except in rare cases. I bet nobody remembers the Maynard Keenan accusations. Which ended almost overnight when people realised it was a scam.


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I've never liked MegaDeth. I find it funny that Megadeth have had around 50 members - and only 2 people have ever been kicked out of Metallica - one of which is now in Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 24, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
My understanding the female was of age, so nothing illegal happened.  I guess there could be more to the story that we don't know, but on the surface this seems like an over reaction.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 24, 2021, 01:29:53 PM
Damn...Tensions were just that bad already. Yup, I can see how this can be a tipping point. Mustaine likely gave Ellefson a sort of agreement deal as well, knowing tensions were high already.

Probably could be a deal that Dave took, so that Megadeth could make more money as well, with the Rust in Peace tour, and having the original bassist, especially playing Dawn Patrol, and then just dealing with it for the future tours as it did take in more money.

Dave's tolerance just had enough, and the better thing to do would be to let him go. Or else, him and Ellefson could've been throwing blows at each other.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on May 24, 2021, 01:34:38 PM
I struggle with these things.   It's Dave's band and he can do with it what he wants.  If he thinks this will damage the brand so be it.   But to make it a moral question is sort of sketch to me.   She's 19, she's able to form consent in all U.S. jurisdictions that I'm aware of; whether Ellefson's wife is up for it or not is up to her, and not Mustaine's business.   As for the act itself, it's not my thing (the video and online part; no comment on the other part! :)) but then again, so what?  There's plenty out there that I wouldn't do that is certainly no one else's place to judge.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 24, 2021, 01:55:34 PM
I struggle with these things.   It's Dave's band and he can do with it what he wants.  If he thinks this will damage the brand so be it.   But to make it a moral question is sort of sketch to me.   She's 19, she's able to form consent in all U.S. jurisdictions that I'm aware of; whether Ellefson's wife is up for it or not is up to her, and not Mustaine's business.   As for the act itself, it's not my thing (the video and online part; no comment on the other part! :)) but then again, so what?  There's plenty out there that I wouldn't do that is certainly no one else's place to judge.

I don't think the reason for Dave firing Ellefson is the allegations, although it was the reason for Dave's tolerance to reach it's tipping point that caused the firing. Since the tensions were already pretty high to begin with.

I myself do not care about these allegations of Ellefson.

If Mustaine just plain out fired him, it's likely he doesn't care at all about the allegations, he just doesn't want to tolerate Ellefson anymore.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 24, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
Nope, I can't seem to summon one ounce of sympathy for a 56 year old dude who thought beating off in full view on video and giving it to some kid who's young enough to be his daughter was something he should do.   Trust me, guys, unless you're taking huge doses of testosterone and snorting cialis at 56 years old it's exceedingly rare that your little head is going to be making any decisions for you in the same way it did when you were in your 20's and 30's.  That's not to say you can't have a thriving and fulfilling sex life as a 56-year-old dude.  And I get it, man, I really do.  Banging your presumably 50-something-year-old wife is probably kind of like throwing a hotdog into a hallway, so, I get the allure of a 19-year-old's body and spank the monkey all you want if that's what tickles your nuts, but don't do it on video, dumbass.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 24, 2021, 02:48:29 PM
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2021, 02:52:16 PM
I doubt it’s punishment as much as PR clean up. I doubt Mustaine wants to spend his promotion cycle discussing this. He wants to talk about the album and tour. So he’s ditching the bad press. I doubt it’s more than that to be honest.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 24, 2021, 02:57:04 PM
I doubt it’s punishment as much as PR clean up. I doubt Mustaine wants to spend his promotion cycle discussing this. He wants to talk about the album and tour. So he’s ditching the bad press. I doubt it’s more than that to be honest.


I think there's more to it than just PR clean up, though.  Because ProfessorPeart is 100% right that all of this went down between two consenting adults.  It's just that one of those consenting adults has monumentally terrible judgement. 


But I think Mustaine has been wanting to jettison Ellefson ever since the lawsuit debacle and this gave him the pretext he needed.  That's why I think Ellefson is such a fucking dumbass for doing something like this on video.  It doesn't really matter that they are two consenting adults, it gave Mustaine what he needed to finally cut Ellefson loose and Ellefson has no one to blame but himself.  This is a completely unforced error.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on May 24, 2021, 03:06:35 PM
Well... Mustaine's band, so...

Well,  since this topic is now kind of eeew....I hope the replacement bass player is as hot as Kiko.   :o  I will be seeing Megadeth in August.

 :lol

Nope, I can't seem to summon one ounce of sympathy for a 56 year old dude who thought beating off in full view on video and giving it to some kid who's young enough to be his daughter was something he should do.   Trust me, guys, unless you're taking huge doses of testosterone and snorting cialis at 56 years old it's exceedingly rare that your little head is going to be making any decisions for you in the same way it did when you were in your 20's and 30's.  That's not to say you can't have a thriving and fulfilling sex life as a 56-year-old dude.  And I get it, man, I really do.  Banging your presumably 50-something-year-old wife is probably kind of like throwing a hotdog into a hallway, so, I get the allure of a 19-year-old's body and spank the monkey all you want if that's what tickles your nuts, but don't do it on video, dumbass.  :facepalm:

 :rollin

I can understand your point.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on May 24, 2021, 03:11:49 PM
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.  :eek  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 24, 2021, 03:18:44 PM
But I think Mustaine has been wanting to jettison Ellefson ever since the lawsuit debacle and this gave him the pretext he needed. 
Wait - what lawsuit debacle?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: romdrums on May 24, 2021, 03:49:38 PM
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.  :eek  :facepalm:

Yep.  That's the punishment due.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2021, 03:53:56 PM
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.  :eek  :facepalm:

Yep.  That's the punishment due.

It was his reckoning day.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: romdrums on May 24, 2021, 03:54:44 PM
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.  :eek  :facepalm:

Yep.  That's the punishment due.

It was his reckoning day.

I bet he was sweating bullets when he found out that leaked.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kaos2900 on May 24, 2021, 03:55:24 PM
The whole message from Dave tells it all. He doesn't know every detail but there was already a strained relationship so now he has an excuse to can him. Case closed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on May 24, 2021, 03:59:20 PM
This should not have cost Ellefson his job. That statement is dumb as the woman, and I mean woman, made a statement about what happened shortly after the initial story broke.

"Yes, those video calls did happen, but I was the one to initiate it and never was I underage, I was always a consenting adult. Nothing inappropriate ever happened before that. It was all consensual, I'm not a victim and I have not been groomed in the slightest as I was the one to initiate it," the woman stated.

2 consenting adults doing something. Yes, he's married. Did he kill someone, rape someone, etc? What really bothers me is looking at all of the comments on his firing and seeing the term pedo being thrown around. Dude had a non-contact sexual encounter with another adult and is having his life and career affected in a bad way.

It's just not right. Who wants to bet that Mustaine now has all of the bass redone on the new album?

You're right. But things in life have consequences and some of them concern your boss.  :eek  :facepalm:

Yep.  That's the punishment due.

It was his reckoning day.

I bet he was sweating bullets when he found out that leaked.

Ellefson puts himself at RISK.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 24, 2021, 04:11:31 PM
The whole message from Dave tells it all. He doesn't know every detail but there was already a strained relationship so now he has an excuse to can him. Case closed.

Basically. Everything else doesn't matter. It states his reason for firing him. And that reason was cause he was tired of him already and this gave him that excuse to give him the old heave ho toss.

Ellefson should have known, and should know, what being in Mustaines band entails. Yet, he did this and it happened, and there was an allegation, and Dave isn't sure exactly what this may cause down the road, and doesn't want to risk anything happening during the tour that has just been rescheduled.

All I cared about was if the tour would still happen. Since it is happening, Dave basically said that the tour is what matters and any dead weight preventing this from happening will be dealt with.

When you look at it from the perspective of the band. It's the best option they have to continue playing and not have to cancel. They're not going to lose out on the money they desperately need now. Cancelling, is the most unwise decision you could make right now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on May 24, 2021, 04:12:08 PM
I saw it cumming
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2021, 04:24:35 PM
I have no issue.  Stupid thing to do on Ellefson's part and it's Mustaines band, he can do what he wants and whatever else was going this obviously was the straw that broke the camel's back then fine, so be it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on May 24, 2021, 04:25:45 PM
I'd love to see Newsted step in.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WilliamMunny on May 24, 2021, 04:28:27 PM
I'd love to see Newsted step in.

I'll second that!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on May 24, 2021, 04:29:41 PM
I'd love to see Newsted step in.

The guy got tired of having James and Lars as bosses, is he going to become Mustaine's underling? Only if he wants to complicate his life for nothing.  :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on May 24, 2021, 04:30:47 PM
Not to mention he has stated that he can't even play Metallica songs anymore
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on May 24, 2021, 04:31:19 PM
I can't see JN stepping in anyway as he has his little bluesy band now. Anyway it wasn't james and lars that were the problem - it was not being allowed to do side projects.

Megadeth have had like 50 members over the years and a grand total of 1 person has ever quit Metallica.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TM172003 on May 24, 2021, 04:32:32 PM
Not going to happen. He said recently that he can’t even keep up with Metallica’s stuff anymore, what chance does he have playing Megadeth tunes?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on May 24, 2021, 04:34:23 PM
Bass is a really f-ing hard instrument and at nearly 60 years old - I think he may even be 60?? Yeah not easy.


Edit : 58. Same as James and Lars. I think Rob is a year or two younger.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2021, 04:34:46 PM
I'd love to see Newsted step in.

That would be cool. Though he seems pretty happy doing rock n roll covers. Can’t say I get it though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on May 24, 2021, 04:37:28 PM
I can't see JN stepping in anyway as he has his little bluesy band now. Anyway it wasn't james and lars that were the problem - it was not being allowed to do side projects.

Megadeth have had like 50 members over the years and a grand total of 1 person has ever quit Metallica.

Yeah, but there weren't that many side projects in twenty years. The side projects don't seem as relevant after leaving the band.

In fact, there hasn't been so much MUSIC in twenty years.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ozzy554 on May 24, 2021, 04:55:07 PM
"Already stained relationship" looks like Mustaine just used this as an excuse to get rid of him
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2021, 04:55:19 PM
Not going to happen. He said recently that he can’t even keep up with Metallica’s stuff anymore, what chance does he have playing Megadeth tunes?

Yeah, said he had shoulder issues.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 24, 2021, 05:34:37 PM
How much more badass would Mustaine be if he just said "I'm not going to fire a band member because he jerks off. End of story, now let's move on". But instead, he chose to cave for the politically correct...oh well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on May 24, 2021, 05:43:26 PM
Know who could be an excellent bass player for Megadeth? Michael Lepond.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 24, 2021, 05:47:10 PM
He's been in as many bands as Megadeth has had members.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on May 24, 2021, 05:49:30 PM
Yes, but none of them is big as Megadeth (as far as I know).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 24, 2021, 05:49:49 PM
How much more badass would Mustaine be if he just said "I'm not going to fire a band member because he jerks off. End of story, now let's move on". But instead, he chose to cave for the politically correct...oh well.

Dave and Junior have always butted heads anyway, and if the grooming accusations are true, you don’t want that bad publicity following you. Dave did the right thing cutting ties before it gets ugly.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zook on May 24, 2021, 06:14:12 PM
They're catching up to Iced Earth with line up changes.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 24, 2021, 06:33:25 PM
As people have already stated, this was Dave getting an out to do something he's obviously wanted to do for a while.  He's a huge fucking hypocrite.  Dave can be a raging alcoholic, drug-abusing asshole for decades and it's fine.  DE gets caught in a compromising position where the only thing that was hurt was his squeaky-clean image and he's done.  But, that's what happens when you're no longer a real "member" of a band.  You can get cut for any reason at all. 

Mustaine must've creamed himself when this came to light.  "Finally!  I can finally be the only long-time Megadeth member.  I can get rid of that goody-two-shoes Ellefson once and for all."  The problem is Dave is the only person on this planet who I've ever heard have one bad thing to say about Junior.  This could've easily blown over by the time their new album comes out... if he'd let it.

I know that Mustaine essentially IS Megadeth.  But, at this point, why even bother calling it Megadeth?!?  It's him and a bunch of guys.  I don't even know the drummer's name.  And, the guitarist is Kiko something-or-other.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2021, 06:36:45 PM
As people have already stated, this was Dave getting an out to do something he's obviously wanted to do for a while.  He's a huge fucking hypocrite.  Dave can be a raging alcoholic, drug-abusing asshole for decades and it's fine.  DE gets caught in a compromising position where the only thing that was hurt was his squeaky-clean image and he's done.  But, that's what happens when you're no longer a real "member" of a band.  You can get cut for any reason at all. 

Mustaine must've creamed himself when this came to light.  "Finally!  I can finally be the only long-time Megadeth member.  I can get rid of that goody-two-shoes Ellefson once and for all."  The problem is Dave is the only person on this planet who I've ever heard have one bad thing to say about Junior.  This could've easily blown over by the time their new album comes out... if he'd let it.

When you are the boss, you have these privileges.  I don't see the problem.  Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 24, 2021, 06:40:15 PM
When you are the boss, you have these privileges.  I don't see the problem.  Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.
I totally agree with what you've said.  But, to me, Mustaine almost looks worse than Ellefson.  There'll be more talk of him firing Ellefson than of what David actually did.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2021, 06:46:10 PM
When you are the boss, you have these privileges.  I don't see the problem.  Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.
I totally agree with what you've said.  But, to me, Mustaine almost looks worse than Ellefson.  There'll be more talk of him firing Ellefson than of what David actually did.

Maybe, but I doubt Mustaine really cares.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on May 24, 2021, 06:58:11 PM
You're talking about the bass player in a thrash band that's run by an ego-maniacal asshole who was a raging alcoholic and drug addict for between 10 and 20 years.  And, I'm a Megadeth fan.  What kind of image are you talking about?!?  People who have done way worse have been able to maintain careers (Vince Neil, anyone?!?). In the grand scheme of things, him jerking it is not that big a deal.  I, myself, never sought out any videos or pictures of what he did.  So, anytime I see them from now on, this certainly won't be entering my thoughts at all.  The dude wasn't thinking with the head on his shoulders.  He did no harm to himself or anyone else.  He just became a little more human.  In a perfect world, this non-issue would be gone by the next time the bass intro to "Peace Sells" was done.

What does being in a “thrash” band have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 24, 2021, 07:14:59 PM
When you are the boss, you have these privileges.  I don't see the problem.  Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.
I totally agree with what you've said.  But, to me, Mustaine almost looks worse than Ellefson.  There'll be more talk of him firing Ellefson than of what David actually did.

Maybe, but I doubt Mustaine really cares.
Truthfully, I don't know why I should care, either.  In the grand scheme of things, it has no impact on my life.  I'm sure Ellefson will land just fine.  I guess I just feel bad for the guy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2021, 07:48:15 PM
When you are the boss, you have these privileges.  I don't see the problem.  Dave may be a hypocrite but as I said, he's the boss so more power to him.
I totally agree with what you've said.  But, to me, Mustaine almost looks worse than Ellefson.  There'll be more talk of him firing Ellefson than of what David actually did.


Maybe, but I doubt Mustaine really cares.
Truthfully, I don't know why I should care, either.  In the grand scheme of things, it has no impact on my life.  I'm sure Ellefson will land just fine.  I guess I just feel bad for the guy.

All valid, but he should have thought about that before filming himself jacking off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 24, 2021, 08:34:27 PM
I'd love to see Newsted step in.

I was actually thinking the same thing for some reason.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 24, 2021, 09:37:49 PM
Geddy Lee is available.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on May 24, 2021, 10:57:59 PM
Geddy Lee is available.

Paul McCartney is still alive.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: nobloodyname on May 24, 2021, 11:39:07 PM
I'd love to see Newsted step in.

Unlikely for various reasons, one of which is he recently said he's no longer capable of playing metal physically (taking his admission at face value, obviously).

As for Ellefson... long live rock and roll, eh?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on May 25, 2021, 01:19:10 AM
I'm looking forward to the updated "Making Music Your Business". The afterword should be a giggle.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2021, 06:15:58 AM
Maybe I'm overthinking - and I know the answer here; it all depends on the contract under which Ellefson was a salaried member - but it's a shade hard to believe that if Mustaine really wanted to do this, that he "needed" this to do it.  There's no union here like in sports (where there are limitations as to when you can break a contract with a player, and where "morals" clauses are common).   And as Kotowboy has pointed out, this isn't the first member of Megadeth to be sent packing, and not all of them had incidents like this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2021, 06:36:16 AM
But Ellefson is the second most important band member of Megadeth, outside Dave he's the only one who has a semblance of being an actual "band member" rather than "hired gun who sooner or later will get the boot". If he fires the random drummer, "haha, classic Dave" and people move on, but to get rid of Ellefson he needs something more.

Or maybe this is a golden opportunity, he fires him just because he can.... Mustaine is an asshole, a tyrant, all of that. He fires him "with cause".... well, he's justified.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2021, 07:39:11 AM
Yeah, I agree with Mirror and others who have stated this was just the excuse to get rid of him.  Dave basically admits it in the statement saying "already strained relationship" but IMO the things that made their relationship strained weren't the things Dave could easily defend publicly for firing the only other real band member.  He needed something he could hide behind for cover and it worked.  So many people are blaming "cancel culture" and I really don't see the media or the typical "cancel culture" people calling for Ellefson's head, just Mustaine.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 25, 2021, 08:30:16 AM
Maybe I'm overthinking - and I know the answer here; it all depends on the contract under which Ellefson was a salaried member - but it's a shade hard to believe that if Mustaine really wanted to do this, that he "needed" this to do it.  There's no union here like in sports (where there are limitations as to when you can break a contract with a player, and where "morals" clauses are common).   And as Kotowboy has pointed out, this isn't the first member of Megadeth to be sent packing, and not all of them had incidents like this.

I don't think he needed this either.

But everything the comes with this kind of allegation, is detrimental to the band and it's overall commitment to the upcoming tours. And Mustaine, rather than keeping Ellefson, decided it best to kick him out and find a replacement before touring begins and there's time for the new bassist to learn the songs.

This has nothing to do with the allegations and more to do with the band and it's commitment to a postponed tour. And Dave doesn't want anything jeopardizing that commitment, especially for the fans that want to see Megadeth, Lamb of God, and In Flames.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on May 25, 2021, 08:35:19 AM
They've recorded a new album, right? Do you think they'll "pull an Ozzy" and re-record Ellefson's parts before release?

(Feels weird writing 'Ellefson' and 'release' in the same sentence here)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mebert78 on May 25, 2021, 08:50:41 AM
I've been following this story and I think it was the right move by Mustaine.  I mean, there are so many variables involved in this situation -- was the girl an underage fan when the videos began as was alleged, and did Ellefson use his status as a rockstar to take advantage of her?  Also, there's no way of knowing if there are MORE videos (or girls) out there that would surface as the band releases their new album and goes on tour.  You can't risk that.  It would overshadow everything the band is doing and it would come up in every interview, etc.  Better to cut ties now, in my opinion. 

I also wonder if Megadeth will re-record his bass parts for the new album and if Portnoy will still work with him in Metal Allegiance. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2021, 09:02:18 AM
I've been following this story and I think it was the right move by Mustaine.  I mean, there are so many variables involved in this situation -- was the girl an underage fan when the videos began as was alleged, and did Ellefson use his status as a rockstar to take advantage of her?  Also, there's no way of knowing if there are MORE videos (or girls) out there that would surface as the band releases their new album and goes on tour.  You can't risk that.  It would overshadow everything the band is doing and it would come up in every interview, etc.  Better to cut ties now, in my opinion. 

I also wonder if Megadeth will re-record his bass parts for the new album and if Portnoy will still work with him in Metal Allegiance.

Didn't the girl come out saying she was not a minor and everything was consensual, no grooming and she initiated? Of course there could be more to the story that played a role, but if the female says all this, it's really hard for me to assume anything worse than sexting while married. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on May 25, 2021, 09:07:05 AM
I've been following this story and I think it was the right move by Mustaine.  I mean, there are so many variables involved in this situation -- was the girl an underage fan when the videos began as was alleged, and did Ellefson use his status as a rockstar to take advantage of her?  Also, there's no way of knowing if there are MORE videos (or girls) out there that would surface as the band releases their new album and goes on tour.  You can't risk that.  It would overshadow everything the band is doing and it would come up in every interview, etc.  Better to cut ties now, in my opinion. 

I also wonder if Megadeth will re-record his bass parts for the new album and if Portnoy will still work with him in Metal Allegiance.

Didn't the girl come out saying she was not a minor and everything was consensual, no grooming and she initiated? Of course there could be more to the story that played a role, but if the female says all this, it's really hard for me to assume anything worse than sexting while married.

The girl did say that, but there are rumors or talk that the messages started before she was of legal age. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Architeuthis on May 25, 2021, 09:36:07 AM
Know who could be an excellent bass player for Megadeth? Michael Lepond.
Mike Lepond is one of the best bass players out there imo, and he could easily pull off Megadeth tunes. I know the money would be better, but I would hate to see him leave SX which would be a step backwards for him.  His three solo albums are amazing too. 
But yeah, if he was in Megadeth I'd probably listen to them more..   :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on May 25, 2021, 10:07:38 AM
When I was in Michigan last week I saw a promo spot for Megadeth and Lamb Of God tour this summer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2021, 11:43:34 AM
When I was in Michigan last week I saw a promo spot for Megadeth and Lamb Of God tour this summer.

Yup, with Trivium and In Flames.  I plan on going to the local show this summer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on May 25, 2021, 12:27:16 PM
Know who could be an excellent bass player for Megadeth? Michael Lepond.
Mike Lepond is one of the best bass players out there imo, and he could easily pull off Megadeth tunes. I know the money would be better, but I would hate to see him leave SX which would be a step backwards for him.  His three solo albums are amazing too. 
But yeah, if he was in Megadeth I'd probably listen to them more..   :metal

I also love him in SX and Silent Assassins, but, I don't know if he can make a living out of any band he's in, so I would be happy for him. And I think his style would totally fit in Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Architeuthis on May 25, 2021, 01:16:34 PM
Yes, he would be a good fit and Megadeth would benefit with Mike in the band. He has the chops, tone, stage presence and all.  I wonder if Dave Mustaine even knows who Mike LePond  is?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on May 25, 2021, 01:24:37 PM
Well, at least, SX toured with Megadeth on Gigantour (that tour of the DVD with Dream Theater).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on May 25, 2021, 01:55:40 PM
I've been following this story and I think it was the right move by Mustaine.  I mean, there are so many variables involved in this situation -- was the girl an underage fan when the videos began as was alleged, and did Ellefson use his status as a rockstar to take advantage of her?  Also, there's no way of knowing if there are MORE videos (or girls) out there that would surface as the band releases their new album and goes on tour.  You can't risk that.  It would overshadow everything the band is doing and it would come up in every interview, etc.  Better to cut ties now, in my opinion. 

I also wonder if Megadeth will re-record his bass parts for the new album and if Portnoy will still work with him in Metal Allegiance.

Didn't the girl come out saying she was not a minor and everything was consensual, no grooming and she initiated? Of course there could be more to the story that played a role, but if the female says all this, it's really hard for me to assume anything worse than sexting while married.

The girl did say that, but there are rumors or talk that the messages started before she was of legal age.
My hunch is that if the messaging started before she was 18 he'd already be in handcuffs. That would likely be a federal offense, and there are no shortage of ambitious cops who'd love to bust a degenerate pedophile rockstar for manufacturing child pornography. A rookie cop could have figured out the whats, wheres, and whens in half a day's work.

It's a shame that he's out, but he's probably better off. It's not exactly news that Mustaine's an egotistical dick. He probably didn't like the fact that Ellefson's name was popping up with regards to the album and tour. Dave was essentially Mustaine's Derek St. Holmes.

Pretty sure I met Ellefson a couple of years ago at a rental counter at BNA. I knew I recognized him from somewhere, and knew he was a bass player, but didn't want to pester him. Didn't figure it out until a few days later. Nice guy, though. Super geeked about having seen one of his musical idols the night before. Showed me pictures on his phone.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on May 25, 2021, 03:12:55 PM
The funny thing is that there's a bit of a precedent to the Dave Ellefson mess.

I quote from Mustaine's 2010 autobiography, in which he refers to one of the reasons he decided to cut loose with drummer Nick Menza:

"God only knows what Nick was thinking when he said he started an Internet business called NiXXXpix, featuring exactly the sort of content you might imagine. The World Wide Web was still the Wild West at this time, and I'm sure Nick saw dollar signs with this venture. I'm not averse to making money. I'm not even necessarily opposed to musicians banging strippers and porn stars on the road. But I do know one thing: I don't want to be associated with porno. Toss morality out the window for a moment, and consider it purely from a business and professional standpoint. Porn is the ultimate dead end for an artist. The public is more forgiving of drug addicts and criminals than it is of those in the sex trade. Career-wise, you just don't come back from it. When you go down that road, you don't ever go mainstream again. End of story. Well, maybe if you're just the drummer, and people don't know you that well, then you can come back from it. Megadeth was my band, and to have my drummer selling content to habitual masturbators was not something I viewed as good for business. Or for me, personally."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on May 25, 2021, 03:37:38 PM
I honestly had no idea that Mustaine was so uptight. Has he always been this way, or was it a side effect of his religious conversion? Either way, damn, makes me like the guy even less.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on May 25, 2021, 03:41:24 PM
Very interesting info, LudwigVan... right or wrong, there's some coherence in Mustaine's reaction.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2021, 03:43:47 PM
The funny thing is that there's a bit of a precedent to the Dave Ellefson mess.

I quote from Mustaine's 2010 autobiography, in which he refers to one of the reasons he decided to cut loose with drummer Nick Menza:

"God only knows what Nick was thinking when he said he started an Internet business called NiXXXpix, featuring exactly the sort of content you might imagine. The World Wide Web was still the Wild West at this time, and I'm sure Nick saw dollar signs with this venture. I'm not averse to making money. I'm not even necessarily opposed to musicians banging strippers and porn stars on the road. But I do know one thing: I don't want to be associated with porno. Toss morality out the window for a moment, and consider it purely from a business and professional standpoint. Porn is the ultimate dead end for an artist. The public is more forgiving of drug addicts and criminals than it is of those in the sex trade. Career-wise, you just don't come back from it. When you go down that road, you don't ever go mainstream again. End of story. Well, maybe if you're just the drummer, and people don't know you that well, then you can come back from it. Megadeth was my band, and to have my drummer selling content to habitual masturbators was not something I viewed as good for business. Or for me, personally."

Wow Gord, that's a great call. How did you ever remember that? I read Mustaine's bio years ago and honestly didn't really care for it. And I don't even remember why.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on May 25, 2021, 05:15:58 PM
I’d read the book 5 or 6 years ago. It was an okay read. A lot of bloated self-serving stuff, as you might expect from Mustaine. But this section stuck in my head for whatever reason, and recent events made me recall those comments.

It seems to me that, whatever his faults, Mustaine is keen on maintaining Megadeth as a viable continuing business proposition, and I guess this episode reveals part of that drive. 

But think about it... he meticulously managed to put out a continuous stream of albums over the years. I believe it’s a carefully cultivated business model, one for which he has a low tolerance for error, including the recent Ellefson shenanigans.  Contrast that with Metallica who could barely eke out one album every five years. I also recall from the book that he essentially forbade any current working members from doing any outside projects or solo albums, which apparently chafed with Marty Friedman.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 25, 2021, 05:21:11 PM
Yes, he has managed to lead Megadeth to an extremely vast and consistent discography.

Say what you want about the guy, but he is metal savant talented.
Not to mention his impact on Kill 'Em All, which remains easily my favorite Metallica album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2021, 05:28:24 PM
Yes, he has managed to lead Megadeth to an extremely vast and consistent discography.

Say what you want about the guy, but he is metal savant talented.
Not to mention his impact on Kill 'Em All, which remains easily my favorite Metallica album.

I was looking for some info to post about the "Megadeth" I like, and I was blown away that he/they have FIVE consecutive platinum albums and one multiplatinum record.  I would have said "one, tops" (Peace Sells...)

EDIT:  WOW.  All Metallica's albums except H...TSD are MULTI-platnum, even St. Anger.  And H...TSD is platinum itself.  Learn something new....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 25, 2021, 07:46:48 PM
I don't think there's any questioning of Dave Mustaine's place in metal.  I've never been a huge fan of Megadeth, but totally respect his music and art (I do like Kill Em All and a bunch of Megadeth songs, have seen them once) I've said here that I don't really agree with his decision, but it should also be noted I'm not a big fan just an outside observer.  I planned on seeing them this summer before this announcement and my excitement hasn't changed for the show.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mebert78 on May 25, 2021, 09:02:56 PM
My hunch is that if the messaging started before she was 18 he'd already be in handcuffs. That would likely be a federal offense, and there are no shortage of ambitious cops who'd love to bust a degenerate pedophile rockstar for manufacturing child pornography. A rookie cop could have figured out the whats, wheres, and whens in half a day's work.

I wouldn't expect that happen. There's a "rockstar" named Dahvie Vanity from a group called Blood on the Dance Floor who is still allowed the walk free. Just look up the stuff he's done to teen and pre-teen girls over the past 15 years and you'd be positively sickened.

Also, I stumbled across this video today of Lars and Mustaine talking about him being kicked out of Metallica. Riveting stuff! Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvkU0J-eTWc
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moor on May 26, 2021, 02:40:31 AM
I guess what speeded up his removal is that he rejoined Megadeth as a salaried member as opposed to being an "equal owner" with Mustaine.

So it is like terminating an employee, and what was leaked IMO would constitute enough ground for a legitimate termination. And anyway, even if the dismissal is abusive, the exposure is limited as the potential indemnity that he might get, would be nothing compared to a terminated partner.

I am sure, this would not have been the case (at least in terms of speed) if Dave was an equity partner.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on May 26, 2021, 03:04:53 AM
Yes, he has managed to lead Megadeth to an extremely vast and consistent discography.

Say what you want about the guy, but he is metal savant talented.
Not to mention his impact on Kill 'Em All, which remains easily my favorite Metallica album.

I was looking for some info to post about the "Megadeth" I like, and I was blown away that he/they have FIVE consecutive platinum albums and one multiplatinum record.  I would have said "one, tops" (Peace Sells...)

EDIT:  WOW.  All Metallica's albums except H...TSD are MULTI-platnum, even St. Anger.  And H...TSD is platinum itself.  Learn something new....

The Black Album has never sold less than 5000 copies each and every single week since it was released.

not once. In thirty years. That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ErHaO on May 26, 2021, 03:07:27 AM
No expert on the topic of Metallica's inner workings, but I think the context of his firing from Metallica is quite different. That seemed more more of a Jon Shaffer/Tuomas move (termination without notification beforehand). In this instance, Megadeth put out a statement a while ago stating there were closely following he developments before the firing and there obviously have been discussions behind the scenes.

In the end it boils down that boss doesn't like employee and that boss does not want this controversy to outshine the new product about to be released.



Anyways, on a sidenote I personally am very glad that Dave was kicked out of Metallica because he went on to produce good metal for decades, whereas Metallica had a very good peak and did very little after that (purely talking about studio output, I know Metallica can put out a hell of a show).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 26, 2021, 09:08:18 AM
No expert on the topic of Metallica's inner workings, but I think the context of his firing from Metallica is quite different. That seemed more more of a Jon Shaffer/Tuomas move (termination without notification beforehand). In this instance, Megadeth put out a statement a while ago stating there were closely following he developments before the firing and there obviously have been discussions behind the scenes.

In the end it boils down that boss doesn't like employee and that boss does not want this controversy to outshine the new product about to be released.



Anyways, on a sidenote I personally am very glad that Dave was kicked out of Metallica because he went on to produce good metal for decades, whereas Metallica had a very good peak and did very little after that (purely talking about studio output, I know Metallica can put out a hell of a show).


The difference I see between Metallica and Megadeth is Fame and The Limelight. Since The Black Album, Metallica had been living in the limelight, and riding the wave, where they stopped making albums consistently about every 2-3 years. They rode the wave of success with The Black Album for years, that if they were to record a new album it would've put a stop to that train, they were riding the gravy train.

Megadeth on the other hand, never did have a spot in the limelight and never would have because of Mustaines involvement in Metallica and his name already being tarnished as "the man who got kicked out of Metallica". This made Dave's work ethic more noticeable and more for the fans and shows that Dave just wants to go out and play music.

I personally think Dave getting kicked out of Metallica was his awakening and he set out to prove them wrong, and he has. The albums he put out and his work ethic shows this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on May 26, 2021, 09:12:22 AM
Sure, but he also grew up. At that time he was a young drunk asshole, they were right in getting rid of him back then. Should Metallica had the gift of foresight and realize what a great guitarist he would become? at that time he wasn't working out and waiting for him to grow up and become an adult and responsable man wasn't evidently an option.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 26, 2021, 10:42:03 AM
Megadeth on the other hand, never did have a spot in the limelight and never would have...

Of course they did.  Just because they weren't as huge as Metallica doesn't mean they didn't have a spot in the limelight.  If being as huge as Metallica was the standard for fame, then hardly anyone is famous.  Other than Metallica, Megadeth's run from Countdown through Cryptic is about as mainstream famous as one could reasonably expect for a thrash band.  They were all over radio and MTV during that stretch, and those albums sold like crazy.  They've had quite a bit of "mainstream" success.

Should Metallica had the gift of foresight and realize what a great guitarist he would become?

???  It isn't about him becoming a great guitarist.  He was already that at the time.  I mean, that isn't to say he didn't improve over the years since then.  He obviously did.  But he was already pretty great.  I think you are dead on about the other issues you mentioned in your post.  But him not being "great" enough of a guitarist was never the issue.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on May 26, 2021, 12:23:41 PM
Dave Ellefson speaks up:

https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on May 26, 2021, 12:40:04 PM
While what he did was both very gross and very stupid, he's right, he's the victim of revenge porn (if not literal revenge, it's still the unwanted sharing of sexual material) and he's right in going after the one who leaked it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on May 26, 2021, 12:40:58 PM
Dave Ellefson speaks up:

https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/

It makes sense for him to pursue legal action against the leaker. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on May 26, 2021, 12:50:21 PM

Of course they did.  Just because they weren't as huge as Metallica doesn't mean they didn't have a spot in the limelight.  If being as huge as Metallica was the standard for fame, then hardly anyone is famous.  Other than Metallica, Megadeth's run from Countdown through Cryptic is about as mainstream famous as one could reasonably expect for a thrash band.  They were all over radio and MTV during that stretch, and those albums sold like crazy.  They've had quite a bit of "mainstream" success.


My favorite Megadeth years  :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 26, 2021, 01:10:15 PM
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward? 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2021, 01:11:04 PM
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?

Probably another jerk off.






I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 26, 2021, 01:16:46 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 26, 2021, 01:34:22 PM
fuck me  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on May 26, 2021, 01:37:53 PM
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?

Probably another jerk off.






I'm sorry.

 :lol

Jerk off is my business .... and business is good.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on May 26, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Symphony of Masturbation
Holy Wanks
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 26, 2021, 01:45:00 PM
High Speed Jerk  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 26, 2021, 02:37:00 PM
Masturbator 18  :biggrin:

Megadeth on the other hand, never did have a spot in the limelight and never would have...

Of course they did.  Just because they weren't as huge as Metallica doesn't mean they didn't have a spot in the limelight.  If being as huge as Metallica was the standard for fame, then hardly anyone is famous.  Other than Metallica, Megadeth's run from Countdown through Cryptic is about as mainstream famous as one could reasonably expect for a thrash band.  They were all over radio and MTV during that stretch, and those albums sold like crazy.  They've had quite a bit of "mainstream" success.


I guess I should have included. Not as much limelight and fame as Metallica. I have watched the Duck Dodgers episode.  :biggrin:

Even still, he kept his work ethic of making music. And that was the period that led to his "dark days" that made him become a born again christian to the point of not wanting to play certain songs live anymore. Even Metallica wasn't immune to it, they had just as bad, if not, worse, dark times.

Dave still strived to continue doing what he wanted to do, and that is create music. Going to any lengths necessary to keeping that business going.

I am also, glad that Metallica has finally gone this route of making music again, and adding to their live sets, and not just riding the black album and relying on the same ol' songs for their live shows. But, if that's what makes them money, then that's how they run their business.

How they soaked and raveled in the limelight, while still continuing to make music, is the difference I am talking about.


And I think Robert Trujillo made a big difference and got the guys to up their enthusiasm to make music.

So for me, I am happy with where both bands are at this moment.


Dave Ellefson speaks up:

https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/

Good, because now, whomever had got a hold of that video and released it will be held accountable. This will help a lot with dealing with people that get a hold of these private videos, and use them as blackmail.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 26, 2021, 02:52:22 PM
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?

My money is on Sting or Flea.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2021, 02:52:36 PM
And I think Robert Trujillo made a big difference and got the guys to up their enthusiasm to make music.


Oh I totally agree and have said this before.  Trujillo is old school and they really can't look him in the eye and mail it in.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 26, 2021, 03:01:57 PM
Good on Junior for going after them. If I remember this correctly, when this broke the woman said she taped him without his knowledge or consent and then she shared it with a friend in confidence. That friend then leaked the video along with making the grooming allegations and such. The woman said she was pissed with the friend as she never intended this to go public.

If that is the case, all they should have to do is interview the woman and have her give up the name of the friend.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on May 26, 2021, 03:05:14 PM
And I think Robert Trujillo made a big difference and got the guys to up their enthusiasm to make music.


Oh I totally agree and have said this before.  Trujillo is old school and they really can't look him in the eye and mail it in.

They can't look him in the eye anyway, with that crab walk thing he does.  Newsted's neck is toast, and Trujillo's knees are soon to be toast.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2021, 04:10:41 PM
Dave Ellefson speaks up:

https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/

Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TM172003 on May 26, 2021, 05:33:47 PM
Screen recording. All they have to do is record their screen and watch the videos of him busting into the camera.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: coz on May 26, 2021, 08:38:06 PM
Or couldn't it be as simple as recording her screen with another camera?

Situation does suck for Ellefson.  Being what it is, I'd seriously like to see Dan Lilker get the call.  Or Fleasting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: coz on May 26, 2021, 08:38:59 PM
They can't look him in the eye anyway, with that crab walk thing he does.  Newsted's neck is toast, and Trujillo's knees are soon to be toast.
:lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bentower on May 26, 2021, 11:14:07 PM
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?

My money is on Sting or Flea.

My guess is that it'll be your fellow countryman Felipe Andreoli, due to his connection with Kiko. It'd probably be just the tour though. I don't see him ditching Angra.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moor on May 26, 2021, 11:46:51 PM


They can't look him in the eye anyway, with that crab walk thing he does.  Newsted's neck is toast, and Trujillo's knees are soon to be toast.
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WAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA crab walk  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on May 27, 2021, 02:10:10 AM
Out of all the members that have ever been in Metallica, Dave Mustaine is by far the most interesting and controversial character. Yes, he comes across as a self-serving asshole, but whenever he spoke, it was way more intriguing and pointed than anything Lars, Kirk or James ever had to say. Not to mention the music and lyrics he writes, which are full of the snark and satire that tweaked your sensibilities, qualities that just aren't there in Metallica's music.

And therein lies the real reason I believe that Mustaine was booted from Metallica... that fantastically outsized ego. Of course this is all speculation, but I got the sense that Lars and James didn't want such a strong personality in their midst, and ended up using the alcohol abuse as a facile excuse to cut him loose. As good a guitarist/songwriter as Mustaine might have been, he was kind of a threat, whereas Kirk Hammett slotted much more easily into the vision that Lars and James had for the band.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on May 27, 2021, 03:35:44 AM
The Mechanix / The Four horsemen ?


Yeah i'll take The Four Horsemen any day  :mehlin :mehlin


" Made my drive shaft crank, made my pistons bulge
Made my ball bearings melt from the heat
Oh, yeah-yeah! "

" On through the dead of night
With the four horsemen ride
Or choose your fate and die "

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: soupytwist on May 27, 2021, 04:00:15 AM
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cruithne on May 27, 2021, 04:53:46 AM
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.

If ever there was an album to prove what Marty Friedman was talking about when he left the band, and referred to Megadeth's metal as "gun metal grey", it was that slab of mediocrity.

I think you're missing out by not giving anything else since a go. Things get patchy after Marty left but I think The System Has Failed, Thirteen and Dystopia are all pretty solid efforts. Endgame is decent, but I would avoid United Abominations and Supercollider.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 27, 2021, 05:41:51 AM
I wonder who will replace him for the tour and going forward?

My money is on Sting or Flea.

My guess is that it'll be your fellow countryman Felipe Andreoli, due to his connection with Kiko. It'd probably be just the tour though. I don't see him ditching Angra.

Yeah, I was obviously joking about Sting and Flea. Felipe seems like a good choice, but maybe the simplest thing to do is to bring back James Lomenzo.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on May 27, 2021, 06:21:41 AM
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.

A large segment consider Peace Sells their best (not me personally) so you can't really leave that one out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2021, 07:08:50 AM
Dave Ellefson speaks up:

https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/

Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?

All I know is my iMac has a bandaid over the camera, and my iPad has a piece of blue painter's tape over the camera.  Never can be too careful!   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2021, 07:09:16 AM
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.

A large segment consider Peace Sells their best (not me personally) so you can't really leave that one out.

It's his best seller, for what that's worth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: faizoff on May 27, 2021, 07:51:24 AM

Just catching up to all this drama, crazy past few days.



Dave Ellefson speaks up:

https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/ (https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/)

Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?


In this case when two people are webcamming with each other, one person could have been on a regular computer. That person could have been recording their screen (there are many software applications that allow you to record your screen) without the other person ever knowing it was being recorded on the other end.


Personally if you're doing that kind of stuff I'd automatically assume everything gets recorded.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ZKX-2099 on May 27, 2021, 08:05:33 AM
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.

A large segment consider Peace Sells their best (not me personally) so you can't really leave that one out.

It's his best seller, for what that's worth.

But who's buying?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Anxiety35 on May 27, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Rex Brown would be an interesting replacement.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 27, 2021, 01:44:54 PM
I own all the Megadeth albums to 'World Needs a Hero' which I thought was pretty crap, I don't think I've heard a single song after that.
I know must fans consider Rust, Countdown and Peace Sells as their strongest albums, but 'Youthanasia' was always my favorite.

A large segment consider Peace Sells their best (not me personally) so you can't really leave that one out.

It's his best seller, for what that's worth.

But who's buying?

 :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Adami on May 27, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
Honestly a cardboard cut out of someone would be the same as anyone they’d pick.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 27, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
Dave Ellefson speaks up:

https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/

Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?

All I know is my iMac has a bandaid over the camera, and my iPad has a piece of blue painter's tape over the camera.  Never can be too careful!   :) :) :)

 :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 27, 2021, 01:52:30 PM

Just catching up to all this drama, crazy past few days.



Dave Ellefson speaks up:

https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/ (https://loudwire.com/david-ellefson-statement-megadeth-split-revenge-porn-charges/)

Maybe it's the tech noob in me, but how can it be filmed without his knowledge?


In this case when two people are webcamming with each other, one person could have been on a regular computer. That person could have been recording their screen (there are many software applications that allow you to record your screen) without the other person ever knowing it was being recorded on the other end.


Personally if you're doing that kind of stuff I'd automatically assume everything gets recorded.

Yeah, I kind of thought that would be the way it would happen.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 27, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid.  Especially for a guy of his age.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 27, 2021, 02:30:32 PM
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid.  Especially for a guy of his age.

Mate, I agree.  He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on May 27, 2021, 02:39:44 PM
Been a very long time since I ran through Deth's discography. Seems like a good time to do so.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2021, 03:46:40 PM
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid.  Especially for a guy of his age.

It's a circle of stupidity.

Why a famous almost 60 years old dude engages on video with a young girl?
Why a young girl tries to be a virtual groupie? it's not the '80s anymore....
And why someone distributes sexual videos of ANYONE, let alone a FAMOUS musician? really, it's already stupid to do it with literally anyone, but with a famous person?? what did he expect???
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on May 27, 2021, 06:02:08 PM
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid.  Especially for a guy of his age.

Mate, I agree.  He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.

Wonder if he still has his gig as a church pastor?  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on May 27, 2021, 06:12:26 PM
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid.  Especially for a guy of his age.

Mate, I agree.  He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.

Wonder if he still has his gig as a church pastor?  ;D

Ha!  True, I forgot about that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moor on May 28, 2021, 12:19:03 AM
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid.  Especially for a guy of his age.

Mate, I agree.  He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.

Wonder if he still has his gig as a church pastor?  ;D

He would, but provided the girl's underage is confirmed first  ;)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2021, 07:25:48 AM
^ That took me a minute...  :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2021, 07:26:31 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mebert78 on May 28, 2021, 08:50:39 AM
I can't believe Ellefson is still doing cameos through all of this.  He looks miserable in the more recent ones.  Link: https://www.cameo.com/davidellefson
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on May 28, 2021, 09:45:18 AM
I can't believe Ellefson is still doing cameos through all of this.  He looks miserable in the more recent ones.  Link: https://www.cameo.com/davidellefson

Gotta earn money somehow.   He was very vocal about having to give up his ownership in Megadeth to rejoin in 2010, becoming a salaried employee of the band.  He made less money, but was happier overall. 

I'm wondering if the pandemic and lack of band activity for a full year hurt him enough financially that he started talking about it to Dave (to explain the strained relationship).  He did do some solo tours last year when he put out that Ellefson cover record, but it's not like those shows will earn a ton of money.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on May 28, 2021, 10:01:17 AM
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid.  Especially for a guy of his age.

Mate, I agree.  He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.
Because we each deserve the worst of all consequences for the dumb mistakes we make. On the bright side, the dude's embarassed, ashamed, and he's lost his livelihood. Being called stupid and mental by anonymous internet folk is probably a nice respite right now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2021, 10:27:26 AM
^which is why I said what he did was profoundly fucking stupid.  Especially for a guy of his age.

Mate, I agree.  He deserves the backlash he gets here IMO, it's mental.
Because we each deserve the worst of all consequences for the dumb mistakes we make. On the bright side, the dude's embarassed, ashamed, and he's lost his livelihood. Being called stupid and mental by anonymous internet folk is probably a nice respite right now.

I wouldn't call Ellefson stupid and dumb. I would consider it to have been an unwise decision and choice to make. And everyone makes unwise decisions all the time, so therefore, people must be stupid and dumb.

The issue here is, the recording without consent.

That Women, shouldn't have been recording and should definitely not have shown her friend. That is an unwise choice she made. And now it's caused harm for both of them, mainly Ellefson.

Both of their unwise decisions have escalated to these consequences. And what happened, could be considered blackmail.

And in this world, you have to be wise and very careful with what you put online and do online because people will use it for blackmail and defamation. And in turn, is potentially an invasion of privacy and what two consenting adults are allowed to do, even online. There's eyes in the sky recording everything we all do.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on May 28, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
My guess is that the new bassist will be some younger and relatively unknown (read: cheap) guy, who's just happy to be playing in one of his favourite bands.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2021, 10:40:20 AM
My guess is that the new bassist will be some younger and relatively unknown (read: cheap) guy, who's just happy to be playing in one of his favourite bands.

I can see this too. One that will be happy being a hired gun for the tour only.

Don't know how his relationship with Lomenzo was, but I can see him coming back just for the tour.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2021, 10:41:55 AM
And therein lies the real reason I believe that Mustaine was booted from Metallica... that fantastically outsized ego. Of course this is all speculation, but I got the sense that Lars and James didn't want such a strong personality in their midst, and ended up using the alcohol abuse as a facile excuse to cut him loose. As good a guitarist/songwriter as Mustaine might have been, he was kind of a threat, whereas Kirk Hammett slotted much more easily into the vision that Lars and James had for the band.

I meant to get back to this. I think you're totally right. I don't think they loved hos personality, especially when drinking obviously, but it was probably his unpredictability that likely did him in. I just think Lars and James had a vision for their band, and they probably couldn't put their (the band's mission) trust totally in Mustaine.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 28, 2021, 10:57:50 AM
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.

All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on May 28, 2021, 11:22:43 AM
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.

Damn fine point, amigo. My stepfather rang me up for some computer advice the other day, and told me I could get back to him at an AOL address.  :lol

Still, he's savvy enough to be doing Cameo and whatnot, so he's not completely computer illiterate. This just probably didn't occur to him.

In any case, the fact that he brought this on himself doesn't prevent me from feeling bad for the guy. It's not like he's the only one to do something foolish, and he's been punished for it to the extreme. More than he deserves, honestly. As Mayor Quimby wished his guests, "and may all your indiscretions remain private."

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All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.
Also a damn fine point. I'd guess that in Mustaine's case he does get this. I figure it's partly that he just didn't want him in his band anymore, and partly that he's, inexplicably, rather uptight, maybe even prudish.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: EPICVIEW on May 28, 2021, 11:33:29 AM
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.

All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.

A +
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2021, 11:47:55 AM
My stepfather rang me up for some computer advice the other day, and told me I could get back to him at an AOL address.  :lol

I know at least a couple of famous musicians from '80s/'90s-era bands that I am in contact with that use an OAL email address.  On one hand, it's kinda quaint and funny.  But on the other hand, why change email addresses if you don't have to?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2021, 11:50:24 AM
And therein lies the real reason I believe that Mustaine was booted from Metallica... that fantastically outsized ego. Of course this is all speculation, but I got the sense that Lars and James didn't want such a strong personality in their midst, and ended up using the alcohol abuse as a facile excuse to cut him loose. As good a guitarist/songwriter as Mustaine might have been, he was kind of a threat, whereas Kirk Hammett slotted much more easily into the vision that Lars and James had for the band.

I meant to get back to this. I think you're totally right. I don't think they loved hos personality, especially when drinking obviously, but it was probably his unpredictability that likely did him in. I just think Lars and James had a vision for their band, and they probably couldn't put their (the band's mission) trust totally in Mustaine.

I could see this too...

There's a lot more of being in a band then the music itself. And, as we know with the many lineup changes in the band, Dave is a personality that is not easily one to get along with. In this instance, Dave and his personality was a risk for the band, as that tension could implode on stage and the music will suffer. I like how they got wise in how to fire Dave, and I think that's the best way to let that kind of personality know just how much it's affecting things.

Yet, what does that personality do...Go and form it's own band, with blackjack and hookers.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on May 28, 2021, 11:51:05 AM
My parents each have AOL emails.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.

All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.

It has nothing to do with that culture stuff at all.

It's a what Dave had no choice but to do to keep the band, his business, safe. There's too much uncertainty with legal cases, and too much that can happen in regards while out touring. Touring is where I think Daves mind is set on with his business. What Dave is doing is looking out for the shorter-term and longer term for the band, as what matters right now is Touring.

And Ellefson is pretty much an at-will employee, the only owner of the band is Megadave. And when you join the business, you agree to those terms set.

It's not that Dave is a dipshit. It's just how he does business...and business is good.  :biggrin:

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2021, 12:47:28 PM
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.

Damn fine point, amigo. My stepfather rang me up for some computer advice the other day, and told me I could get back to him at an AOL address.  :lol

Still, he's savvy enough to be doing Cameo and whatnot, so he's not completely computer illiterate. This just probably didn't occur to him.

In any case, the fact that he brought this on himself doesn't prevent me from feeling bad for the guy. It's not like he's the only one to do something foolish, and he's been punished for it to the extreme. More than he deserves, honestly. As Mayor Quimby wished his guests, "and may all your indiscretions remain private."


I'm not a huge "deserve" guy; what do any of us really "deserve"?   But he's accountable for his actions.   I have to say, though that I do feel like it's unfortunate.  Unless the story has changed (and I can't access the link at work) he and the girl he was with had no intention of releasing this, a third party did.   If that's true, this could happen to any one of us at any time, and you don't need to necessarily be spilling the milk truck on the side.  I wouldn't want that to get out even if it was WITH my wife.   There's got to be some sense of decency and tolerance about.  Isn't it supposed to be true that what two consenting adults do in the privacy of the bedroom is their bizniz?     
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Progmetty on May 28, 2021, 01:11:32 PM
Still, he's savvy enough to be doing Cameo and whatnot, so he's not completely computer illiterate. This just probably didn't occur to him.

Dude, have you seen the lists of celebrities' doing cameo? It's gotta be ridiculously simple to use if Gilbert Gottfried is successfully doing it  :lol

In any case, the fact that he brought this on himself doesn't prevent me from feeling bad for the guy. It's not like he's the only one to do something foolish, and he's been punished for it to the extreme. More than he deserves, honestly. As Mayor Quimby wished his guests, "and may all your indiscretions remain private."

100% agreed. And I do feel bad for him as well, on a personal level as well as performance wise; Megadeth is just not the same without him. He gives the live performance an element of authenticity that Mustiane no longer provides for me, since this is strictly business for him.


I figure it's partly that he just didn't want him in his band anymore, and partly that he's, inexplicably, rather uptight, maybe even prudish.

True, it occurred to me after I posted that the statement issued by Megadeth included "with an already strained relationship".

It's a what Dave had no choice but to do to keep the band, his business, safe. There's too much uncertainty with legal cases, and too much that can happen in regards while out touring. Touring is where I think Daves mind is set on with his business. What Dave is doing is looking out for the shorter-term and longer term for the band, as what matters right now is Touring.

Although this makes sense; I cannot help but to cut him loose, fire him and severe ties? That's fuckin low, I think this is no way to treat your life-long bandmate and the sole co-founder of the band, yes that means nothing on paper, but Ellefson definitely is those things.
Anyway, you're probably right since EPICVIEW thought my opinion was A+ which means there's something profoundly wrong with what I wrote heh
Also is there an actual court case against Ellefson? I thought it was just an investigation?


It's not that Dave is a dipshit. It's just how he does business...and business is good.  :biggrin:

It maybe debatable whether he's a dipshit because of this or not, but he's definitely generally a dipshit heh

Has anybody seen these videos? Is it just dirty talk or does he actually whip it out?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on May 28, 2021, 02:05:53 PM
I don't plan to ever look for the sexy videos of a 56 years old man, but when news broke out, I saw a meme of a guitar photoshopped to a picture of Ellefson with his shirt lifted up. And the quality of the photo was definitively the smartphone video one. So yeah, it's safe to assume he did whip it out, but I'm not interested in finding out if I'm right or wrong.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 28, 2021, 05:21:25 PM
I can't believe Ellefson is still doing cameos through all of this.  He looks miserable in the more recent ones.  Link: https://www.cameo.com/davidellefson

Gotta earn money somehow.   He was very vocal about having to give up his ownership in Megadeth to rejoin in 2010, becoming a salaried employee of the band.  He made less money, but was happier overall. 

I'm wondering if the pandemic and lack of band activity for a full year hurt him enough financially that he started talking about it to Dave (to explain the strained relationship).  He did do some solo tours last year when he put out that Ellefson cover record, but it's not like those shows will earn a ton of money.
Ellefson has his eggs in many baskets.  He's writing books, making movies, selling coffee, has a record label.  As to how much money he makes from any or all of those things, who knows?!?  But, he definitely keeps himself more busy than most musicians out there.  I think he's already writing a new chapter in his next music "how-to" book on trusting nobody on the internet and how not to engage in online chats with strangers.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on May 28, 2021, 05:24:44 PM
All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this?

So if it was your band and brand, you'd tag along with you a guy that just whacked off to a teenager and has the whole world talking about him being a groomer? You'd risk your brand, your tour, your sales and everyting over loyatly to the guy dumb enough to get himself into this perdicament? and you call him the fuckin dipshit?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on May 28, 2021, 06:17:13 PM
All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this?

So if it was your band and brand, you'd tag along with you a guy that just whacked off to a teenager and has the whole world talking about him being a groomer? You'd risk your brand, your tour, your sales and everyting over loyatly to the guy dumb enough to get himself into this perdicament? and you call him the fuckin dipshit?
A: Those outcomes were by no means a certainty. B: The whole world wasn't talking about it. At least not until Dave sacked him. C: If I believed he'd been wronged, and I felt I could make a statement to that effect by keeping him on, then yeah. After all, there's always D. D: Estimates of Dave's net worth are between 18-25 million. I don't put much stock in estimates such as those, but I do think it's fair to say that he's made the bulk of the money he's ever going to make. The chances that this album and tour tank because of this aren't very high, and more importantly, the chances that this album and tour are what's going to turn him into the next Jay Z are much, much lower. At this point, I think his albums and tours are essentially vanity projects.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on May 31, 2021, 07:11:55 AM
Courtesy of everyone's favorite metal tabloid, Blabbermouth...

Earlier today (Sunday, May 30), Jason's wife Nicole took to her Instagram to pour cold water on fans' hopes of seeing her husband share the stage with Dave Mustaine and company.

She wrote: "Hi guys! Two things
"1. Jason is not joining MEGADETH. peace to them. Listen to metal
"2. Jason does not have social media accounts; this includes but is not limited to TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Onlyfans and Tinder. "If you are receiving dm's from the Jason Newsted music account or any other account claiming to be Jason please know this is not Jason and proceed at your own risk".
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ruba on June 01, 2021, 04:23:13 AM
Courtesy of everyone's favorite metal tabloid, Blabbermouth...

Earlier today (Sunday, May 30), Jason's wife Nicole took to her Instagram to pour cold water on fans' hopes of seeing her husband share the stage with Dave Mustaine and company.

She wrote: "Hi guys! Two things
"1. Jason is not joining MEGADETH. peace to them. Listen to metal
"2. Jason does not have social media accounts; this includes but is not limited to TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Onlyfans and Tinder. "If you are receiving dm's from the Jason Newsted music account or any other account claiming to be Jason please know this is not Jason and proceed at your own risk".

 :lol . Well at least there won't be videos of him jerking off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 01, 2021, 01:30:46 PM
I think a lot of 50+ year old people are still struggling to understand the technological advancements that resulted in the internet transformation from what it was at the times of the Geocities kinda frontiers era, to the current state and how essential it is to always assume your interactions are being watched/recorded, never assume otherwise, no matter the settings.

All I've got to say is that Mustaine is such a fuckin dipshit, I know it's well established, but it's been a while since he's reminded us of that fact.
I mean really, Megadeth disassociating from Ellefson over this? is Mustiane unaware of the kinda fanbase Megadeth has? You're not part of the culture that expects corrective actions over something like this.
And it's not like you're gonna lose sponsorship or radio play, you already don't have those things, there are no "new" Megadeth fans! it's the same bunch of people since circa. mid-00's.


In my mind this was the excuse Mustain was looking for to dump him.   There's been bad blood there for quite some time.  I don't think he should have lost his job over it.  I'm pretty sure what he did wasn't illegal. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Adami on June 01, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
I dunno why we moved the bar to illegal for employment. I’m pretty sure we could all lose our jobs over something perfectly legal.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 01, 2021, 03:04:35 PM
uh, no, that's not really what I was trying to say at all.  All I was saying really is if it WERE illegal, then I would understand if they fired him for it, but since what he did WASN'T against the law it's even more absurd that he was fired from his band for it.  It seems like a harsh penalty to pay for a completely legal sexual indiscretion.  No moving of any bars required. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Adami on June 01, 2021, 04:58:15 PM
uh, no, that's not really what I was trying to say at all.  All I was saying really is if it WERE illegal, then I would understand if they fired him for it, but since what he did WASN'T against the law it's even more absurd that he was fired from his band for it.  It seems like a harsh penalty to pay for a completely legal sexual indiscretion.  No moving of any bars required.

I may have typed that poorly. My bad. I think I did get you. I'm saying I don't understand the argument that being fired for doing something legal is weird. Most firings are for things that are perfectly legal. The idea that he shouldn't be fired because what he did wasn't illegal is just odd to me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on June 01, 2021, 06:03:14 PM
The sad thing is this story was all but dead until Dave succumbed to today's cancel culture and fired him for whatever the real reason is.  Ellefson was nothing but supportive of Dave when he had his cancer and pretty much became the face of the band for that year or two.  And, this is how he returns the gratitude.  I know it's Dave's band.  That point has been beat to death.  But, I still say "Fuck Dave!"  He's just a shitty person. 

Once again, why do I even care this much?!?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 01, 2021, 06:16:53 PM
It all depends on what the contract he signed says. And apparently the band has a zero tolerance policy for this kind of act while in contract with the band.

And if he finds fault, he could sue. But I guarantee he won't sue the band, because he knew what he signed. He should've known what this kind of act would cause if it did happen to be recorded and leaked, which it did.

He is doing the right thing by suing those who did leak this video out. They're the ones who did the defamation, not Dave. Dave and Megadeth were caught in a rut by Ellefsons decision, and the attention it caused for both Ellefson and the Megadeth brand.

And Dave is doing what is best overall for the band. As with any company, you (the employee), represent the company. Anything you do, especially in company uniform and on the job, is a representation for the company and it's image and reputation. When that customer walks in, you the employee are expected to give the customer the best service that best represents the policies and values of the company.

Here in this instance, Ellefson did not represent the company in a good light, and in turn caused a bit of a negative representation to the Megadeth brand.


That's how I see why Mustaine chose to fire Ellefson, regardless of legality of the action performed by Ellefson that caused him to be in the spotlight. And, depending on that contract he signed with the band as an employer, I feel Mustaine was in the right to be concerned for his Band and Brand of Megadeth. It was just a business decision that he felt was the best choice to make, regardless of feelings, and apparently there were already some mixed feelings already brewing.

And also, Businesses are only doing this as a reaction to all the outcry the MeToo movement has been very vocal and demanding about. It's why every business is disassociating themselves from their employees that are involved in this type of reputation caused by an employees actions. It also doesn't help when what you are employed for is responsible for the light that always shines on you. You are always under the spotlight when you are in a band, an actor, or in any Business/Industry where you can be Idolized and seen as a Role-Model.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2021, 06:35:44 PM
The sad thing is this story was all but dead until Dave succumbed to today's cancel culture and fired him for whatever the real reason is. 

I don't think he succumbed to cancel culture, he used it as an reason to hide whatever the real reason is which is even hinted at in the statement.  I don't believe for one second this was actually cancel culture, because like you even said, this story had already died down.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on June 01, 2021, 06:57:45 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship) and Ellefson has been capitalizing on the brand, books gigs etc. then he gets caught whacking off to a teen fan. I don't understand why so many people are having a hard time seeing why Mustaine fired him and decide to start calling him all the names. You want to represent the brand and then are stupid enough to beat off on camera? I'd fire his ass too. If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Adami on June 01, 2021, 06:58:57 PM
It’s not cancel culture. Not every consequence is cancel culture.

Last I checked Mustaine wasn’t caving to the thousands of fans demanding he fire Dave.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on June 01, 2021, 07:25:39 PM
If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.
Can we please not start making snarky comments like this now?!?  Whether or not you meant to be funny, it's totally unnecessary and doesn't accomplish anything but make me want to fire back with some kind of shitty comment of my own.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 01, 2021, 07:26:31 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship) and Ellefson has been capitalizing on the brand, books gigs etc. then he gets caught whacking off to a teen fan. I don't understand why so many people are having a hard time seeing why Mustaine fired him and decide to start calling him all the names. You want to represent the brand and then are stupid enough to beat off on camera? I'd fire his ass too. If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.

You've never watched legal aged porn? I mean, I don't send my dick or vids to people but let's not act like he did something illegal.  In fact, considering his lawsuit, it's entirely possible he was preyed upon. Hence the revenge porn lawsuit. What two private people do is none of our business. I mostly feel terrible for his wife and family who were legitimately impacted by this.  Megadeth? I don't think this otherwise matters one bit for a thrash American metal band.  It's more than that IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 01, 2021, 07:32:20 PM
It all depends on what the contract he signed says. And apparently the band has a zero tolerance policy for this kind of act while in contract with the band.

And if he finds fault, he could sue. But I guarantee he won't sue the band, because he knew what he signed. He should've known what this kind of act would cause if it did happen to be recorded and leaked, which it did.

He is doing the right thing by suing those who did leak this video out. They're the ones who did the defamation, not Dave. Dave and Megadeth were caught in a rut by Ellefsons decision, and the attention it caused for both Ellefson and the Megadeth brand.

And Dave is doing what is best overall for the band. As with any company, you (the employee), represent the company. Anything you do, especially in company uniform and on the job, is a representation for the company and it's image and reputation. When that customer walks in, you the employee are expected to give the customer the best service that best represents the policies and values of the company.

Here in this instance, Ellefson did not represent the company in a good light, and in turn caused a bit of a negative representation to the Megadeth brand.


That's how I see why Mustaine chose to fire Ellefson, regardless of legality of the action performed by Ellefson that caused him to be in the spotlight. And, depending on that contract he signed with the band as an employer, I feel Mustaine was in the right to be concerned for his Band and Brand of Megadeth. It was just a business decision that he felt was the best choice to make, regardless of feelings, and apparently there were already some mixed feelings already brewing.

And also, Businesses are only doing this as a reaction to all the outcry the MeToo movement has been very vocal and demanding about. It's why every business is disassociating themselves from their employees that are involved in this type of reputation caused by an employees actions. It also doesn't help when what you are employed for is responsible for the light that always shines on you. You are always under the spotlight when you are in a band, an actor, or in any Business/Industry where you can be Idolized and seen as a Role-Model.
I'm fairly confident that you just put 15 times more thought into the decision than Mustaine did. Nobody's questioning DM's legal right to fire him. Some of us are just calling him an asshole and a hypocrite. And as for the Megadeth brand, it is exactly what it is. It's well established and it's not going anywhere. Keeping DE in the band doesn't harm the brand at all. Mustaine's sense of decency and his enormous ego were the only things impacted, and here we are.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 01, 2021, 07:34:18 PM
If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.
Can we please not start making snarky comments like this now?!?  Whether or not you meant to be funny, it's totally unnecessary and doesn't accomplish anything but make me want to fire back with some kind of shitty comment of my own.
I'll just ditto this, rather than firing back with my own brand of shitty comment.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on June 01, 2021, 08:17:15 PM
Ya....that was completely uncalled for. We don’t do personal attacks here.

I don’t even see eye to eye with Barry very often, but he’s family here, and I won’t tolerate those types to below the belt remarks.

Reported.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2021, 08:25:12 PM
If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.
Not the way we do things here, and you have been around long enough to know that. Knock it off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Nick on June 01, 2021, 08:26:07 PM
If you are defending him, you are probably spending too much time whacking off to little girls too.

As others have already mentioned, that's not how we do things here, please steer clear of this type of comment moving forward.

Edit: Heffed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 01, 2021, 08:48:33 PM
It all depends on what the contract he signed says. And apparently the band has a zero tolerance policy for this kind of act while in contract with the band.

And if he finds fault, he could sue. But I guarantee he won't sue the band, because he knew what he signed. He should've known what this kind of act would cause if it did happen to be recorded and leaked, which it did.

He is doing the right thing by suing those who did leak this video out. They're the ones who did the defamation, not Dave. Dave and Megadeth were caught in a rut by Ellefsons decision, and the attention it caused for both Ellefson and the Megadeth brand.

And Dave is doing what is best overall for the band. As with any company, you (the employee), represent the company. Anything you do, especially in company uniform and on the job, is a representation for the company and it's image and reputation. When that customer walks in, you the employee are expected to give the customer the best service that best represents the policies and values of the company.

Here in this instance, Ellefson did not represent the company in a good light, and in turn caused a bit of a negative representation to the Megadeth brand.


That's how I see why Mustaine chose to fire Ellefson, regardless of legality of the action performed by Ellefson that caused him to be in the spotlight. And, depending on that contract he signed with the band as an employer, I feel Mustaine was in the right to be concerned for his Band and Brand of Megadeth. It was just a business decision that he felt was the best choice to make, regardless of feelings, and apparently there were already some mixed feelings already brewing.

And also, Businesses are only doing this as a reaction to all the outcry the MeToo movement has been very vocal and demanding about. It's why every business is disassociating themselves from their employees that are involved in this type of reputation caused by an employees actions. It also doesn't help when what you are employed for is responsible for the light that always shines on you. You are always under the spotlight when you are in a band, an actor, or in any Business/Industry where you can be Idolized and seen as a Role-Model.
I'm fairly confident that you just put 15 times more thought into the decision than Mustaine did. Nobody's questioning DM's legal right to fire him. Some of us are just calling him an asshole and a hypocrite. And as for the Megadeth brand, it is exactly what it is. It's well established and it's not going anywhere. Keeping DE in the band doesn't harm the brand at all. Mustaine's sense of decency and his enormous ego were the only things impacted, and here we are.

 :lol I was thinking that too while I was typing that.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on June 02, 2021, 04:55:24 AM
Maybe Dave is just concerned that Kiko and Dirk could be affected. Dave/David are most likely set financially, but I'm sure the new guys are pretty much relying on being in Megadeth to ensure their careers and future are stable. I personally don't think David should've been fired if all was legal and consensual, but being even vaguely associated with grooming an underage girl and jerking off on camera will just overtake any interview/news item in the future and ultimately detract from positive press about a new album/tours, etc.

Imagine losing everything just from jerking it at your home.  :o
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 02, 2021, 08:11:15 AM
Maybe Dave is just concerned that Kiko and Dirk could be affected.

Yeah...um..NO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 02, 2021, 12:49:42 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on June 02, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
As much as I disagree with Dave's decision to fire Ellefson, he probably shouldn't be touring this fall anyway.  He's gonna have a lot of stuff going on personally in the near future with the investigation and going after the one who posted this stuff on Twitter as well as repairing his familial relationships.  It's probably best he not be roaming the entire country. 

He came back to the band after unsuccessfully suing Mustaine for millions.  Perhaps he can come back again once this fades away.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 02, 2021, 04:09:12 PM
Maybe Dave is just concerned that Kiko and Dirk could be affected.

Yeah...um..NO.

lol, yeah, I don't think Mustaine suddenly gives thought to his bandmates on a personal level, especially to that regard. It's not like Kiko and Dirk were no names that would be stuck for work if they weren't in Megadeth.

I still have no issue with Dave being fired for this.  In fact, as time goes on, I understand it and applaud Dave more and more.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Anxiety35 on June 03, 2021, 11:10:07 AM
Perhaps he can come back again once this fades away.

I'm not sure he could come back after this considering it's his second departure and the circumstances as to why.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 03, 2021, 12:46:25 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

You're not an addict so I don't expect you to really get how resentments work with addicts but believe me when I tell you, something like this will probably never truly be under the bridge for a guy like Mustaine.  Naturally, I have no way of knowing this, it's all conjecture, you know, that thing we do on message boards sometimes  :heart

Addicts love to collect and hold on to grievances and a guy like Mustaine, let's just say he comes across to me as the kind of guy who would never forget something like that.  I see petty shit over smaller issues than this in the business world all the time.  Dave let him back in the band, I'm guessing, because it made it a better band, purely a business decision.  But he took this offramp the minute it presented itself.   As many have pointed out here there was nothing illegal that happened here.  It was stupid, and I suppose it was damaging to the Megadeth brand to the extent that there is a brand out there to be damaged by something like this, but I have a feeling if you polled 1000 random Megadeth fans not many of them would even know this shit happened.


I only found out about it because of this forum.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 03, 2021, 01:04:58 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

You're not an addict so I don't expect you to really get how resentments work with addicts but believe me when I tell you, something like this will probably never truly be under the bridge for a guy like Mustaine.  Naturally, I have no way of knowing this, it's all conjecture, you know, that thing we do on message boards sometimes  :heart

Addicts love to collect and hold on to grievances and a guy like Mustaine, let's just say he comes across to me as the kind of guy who would never forget something like that.  I see petty shit over smaller issues than this in the business world all the time.  Dave let him back in the band, I'm guessing, because it made it a better band, purely a business decision.  But he took this offramp the minute it presented itself.   As many have pointed out here there was nothing illegal that happened here.  It was stupid, and I suppose it was damaging to the Megadeth brand to the extent that there is a brand out there to be damaged by something like this, but I have a feeling if you polled 1000 random Megadeth fans not many of them would even know this shit happened.


I only found out about it because of this forum.

I didn't even know how Ellefson came to rejoining or why he actually first left Megadeth, other than Mustaine being Mustaine and him having beef with Ellefson, and Megadeth being Mustaines, not Ellefsons, band, gave him the boot.

I was just happy that the actual bass tone from the studio, I was getting to hear live. And Ellefsons bass tone is a big part of that classic Megadeth sound, and was the one for the main parts that drew fans into those songs...Peace Sells...But Who's Buying, Rust In Peace...Polaris, and a lot of Rust In Peace.

It's also why I was happy to actually see Chris Poland play Peace Sells...But Who's Buying, live with Redemption. Because Chris Poland is the guitar tone that is on the album, and it sounded just as good as Megadeth playing because of him being there playing his tone. Chris Quirarte having a good Mustaine tone on his vocals, also helped as well.  :lol




Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on June 03, 2021, 06:06:33 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on June 03, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

Personally, I don't know how you forgive someone, who was at some point a friend, who sues you for millions.  Perhaps, it really was his new-found faith kicking in.  Or, maybe he simply felt sorry for Ellefson.  Who knows?!?  But, you gotta imagine that the resentment doesn't disappear completely.  The strained relationship could simply be from that.  It could possible be from Mustaine getting fed up with all of Ellefson's 1000 projects outside of Megadeth.  Or, perhaps he hated the Tom guy who is partners with him in all of his stuff.  It definitely sounds like Ellefson is the only person who likes him.  If you're gonna put that "strained relationship" part out there, I think you have to expound upon that a bit or not mention it at all.

As for him being a "dirty old pervert", I think that's going a bit far.  I apologize if this comes off as crass but, have you never watched porn?  I'm 47, married and have a 14-year old daughter.  And, I don't think any differently about him.  Personally, I'd like to think that I've raised my daughter well enough that she wouldn't go online with strangers and do this type of thing.  Thank God, she has a really good head on her shoulders!  Anyway, this is no different from watching porn (I've done) or chatting up some webcam chick (I've never done).  The only difference is he's famous and he was careless/stupid to allow himself to be filmed.  He's human and made a mistake, a really dumb one.  I guess I'm "defending him" because, with the limited information out there at the moment, I don't really think he did anything "wrong".  How many actors, actresses, musicians and athletes have actually cheated on their spouses and continue to be supported and adored by the public (Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Brad Pitt, Madonna)?!?  I'm not condoning the actions of ANY of these people, Ellefson included.  I'm simply stating people have done far worse than him and felt way less repercussions.  The people I feel the worst for are his wife and family.  This whole thing is gonna be horrible for them. 


I think what I have the biggest problem with are the bitch statements "Megadeth" has released since this has all come to light:

"There are clearly aspects of David's private life that he has kept to himself." 
Well, duh?!?  That's why it's called a personal life.  You don't have to share 100% of your life with anyone you don't want to. 

"While we do not know every detail of what occurred, with an already strained relationship, what has already been revealed now is enough to make working together impossible moving forward." 
So, "they" admit to firing him without knowing all the facts.  And, what has really been revealed?!?  He jerked it on video with a legal consenting adult. 

I'd feel better if the statement was directly from Mustaine and stated something like "Things have been strained between me and David ever since he sued me over 15 years ago.  I've tried to be a bigger man.  But, there are things I just can't move past.  I don't like all of his extra-curricular projects.  And, this embarrassing situation was simply the last straw.  I wish him well in the future.  But, David Ellefson is no longer in Megadeth."  Mustaine is the boss and can get rid of anyone in that band any time he wants.  At least it wouldn't have been some veiled legalese bullshit statement.  I would've respected him for that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on June 03, 2021, 08:24:57 PM
Re: how do you forgive/lawsuit/“friends”

This is an easy answer that’s difficult to swallow.

Even if we think we’ve let go of the ideal that “4/5 best buds formed a band in their basement and made it huge” there is a part of our subconscious that still clings to that pipe dream. I literally cannot think of a huge band that made it in that way with the exception of Rush.

No matter how anyone attempts to portray themselves in the media, they are in reality just workmates and seeming like “brothers” is a combination of that ideal being good for business, and maybe a hint of shared experience creating a bit of comradeship.

But the lawsuit? Business. You had a business disagreement, you argued about it through the courts because solving it personally was no longer viable. A business arrangement was made, and eventually you may or may not decide to conduct business together again.

From what I can tell, Mustaine may not even like Junior that much, but he’s usually a reliable employee and keeping *some* semblance of “the band” ideal is good for business. But with every little thing that happens, you have to weigh the pros and cons of staying in business together. For now, Mustaine has decided that the cons outweigh the pros. But if that should change for any reason and he decides a reunion will be good for business, the olive branch will be extended.

I hate that this is true, not just with Megadeth, but with literally 99.9% of all the bands you love. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith etc etc etc.

They are unfortunately, workmates. That’s it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2021, 08:32:00 PM
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

I'm not defending him per say.  I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly.  It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs).   My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job.  I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2021, 12:23:04 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?

Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

Wait, though.   The line you're drawing is not clear at all here.   Say I'm single, no kids, and are you saying if I engage in mutual masturbation over the internet with a willing, of-age partner, I should expect to lose my job?   Or that I'm then a dirty old pervert?  Even if I'm married, I don't see a difference, because that's between my wife and I; she may object and divorce me, or accept it, or hell, partake with me.  Or are you saying that the fact he's married is the problem (that I don't really disagree with, though I wouldn't say "dirty old pervert").   

For the record, in real life I have a daughter and a step-daughter, both over the age of consent in my state.   I-don't-wanna-know, but if it came up at dinner conversation that they were sex-chatting with their boyfriends online, my only advice would be: "don't tell me about this, I-don't-wanna-know, and oh, make sure your face isn't visible."   We're not talking about pornography for the masses or sex-worker stuff.  This is normal behavior for some.  Can't say I've ever used the Zoom for this (and probably won't) but I've done this over the phone with people I was not married to (thought not while I was married to someone else).

I guess I am defending him, then.  :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2021, 12:26:32 PM
Re: how do you forgive/lawsuit/“friends”

This is an easy answer that’s difficult to swallow.

Even if we think we’ve let go of the ideal that “4/5 best buds formed a band in their basement and made it huge” there is a part of our subconscious that still clings to that pipe dream. I literally cannot think of a huge band that made it in that way with the exception of Rush.

No matter how anyone attempts to portray themselves in the media, they are in reality just workmates and seeming like “brothers” is a combination of that ideal being good for business, and maybe a hint of shared experience creating a bit of comradeship.

But the lawsuit? Business. You had a business disagreement, you argued about it through the courts because solving it personally was no longer viable. A business arrangement was made, and eventually you may or may not decide to conduct business together again.

From what I can tell, Mustaine may not even like Junior that much, but he’s usually a reliable employee and keeping *some* semblance of “the band” ideal is good for business. But with every little thing that happens, you have to weigh the pros and cons of staying in business together. For now, Mustaine has decided that the cons outweigh the pros. But if that should change for any reason and he decides a reunion will be good for business, the olive branch will be extended.

I hate that this is true, not just with Megadeth, but with literally 99.9% of all the bands you love. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith etc etc etc.

They are unfortunately, workmates. That’s it.

Actually, not even Rush; Neal  wasn't a part of that.  The only one I can think of is U2.  They literally were four best friends from Dublin.

Most bands are like you said: some form or fashion of work mates.  Even Paul and Gene, who are effusive in their "love" for each other, admit they rarely hang out outside of Kiss.  Someone here (I know who, but I'll let him voice up) has said he has on good authority that the members of Aerosmith don't speak outside of stage time. Ozzy sued Tony.   I think people have a biased view of "lawsuits"; they don't ALWAYS signify bad terms or irreparable relationships.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 04, 2021, 12:39:01 PM
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

I'm not defending him per say.  I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly.  It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs).   My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job.  I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.


Fair point.  It's interesting to me how profound the impact of technology has been in our everyday lives.  As recently as 10 or 15 years ago, before Social Media became the juggernaut that it is now, this story would have never seen the light of day because there was really no way to instantly share something like this with literally the entire planet with just a few clicks. 


Three things have made this possible: 1.) phones, laptops and tablets all coming equipped with video cameras, 2.) Broadband Internet, even on cellular connections and 3.) social media.


The convergence of those three elements has led to a massive amount of upheaval and even social change or more precisely the yearning for social change. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2021, 12:46:12 PM
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

I'm not defending him per say.  I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly.  It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs).   My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job.  I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.


Fair point.  It's interesting to me how profound the impact of technology has been in our everyday lives.  As recently as 10 or 15 years ago, before Social Media became the juggernaut that it is now, this story would have never seen the light of day because there was really no way to instantly share something like this with literally the entire planet with just a few clicks. 


Three things have made this possible: 1.) phones, laptops and tablets all coming equipped with video cameras, 2.) Broadband Internet, even on cellular connections and 3.) social media.


The convergence of those three elements has led to a massive amount of upheaval and even social change or more precisely the yearning for social change.

Well, even with the technology, there is the notion of "what's yours?".  I think the social media has influenced that as well.  Even with the technology to whack off over video technology, why does someone else ever get to think they can (or should) release that for everyone ELSE to see?   

Call me a whackjob, but if I came across someone's intimate photos, my first instinct isn't to blackmail them and put them on the interwebs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 04, 2021, 12:47:28 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?
If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.

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Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 04, 2021, 12:58:25 PM
Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.

I'm not defending him per say.  I'm also not really a big megadeth fan nor really know much or care about Ellefson at all honestly.  It's not personal to me as I don't consider myself a big fan, or really much of a fan at all (I like some megadeth songs).   My issue with the whole thing is that even though I think it's wrong to cheat on your wife, what he did was a private legal consensual adult act. The fact that it became public bothers me a bit in the sense that someone actually did do something illegal by posting it online AND it cost him his job.  I'm single with no children in case you are wondering. I only flip it onto Mustaine because there's clearly other issues and this seems to be the aim of his blame when we know there's more to Dave not wanting him in the band. I do agree that he should not have done it in the first place or to engage in such things generally as a married man.


Fair point.  It's interesting to me how profound the impact of technology has been in our everyday lives.  As recently as 10 or 15 years ago, before Social Media became the juggernaut that it is now, this story would have never seen the light of day because there was really no way to instantly share something like this with literally the entire planet with just a few clicks. 


Three things have made this possible: 1.) phones, laptops and tablets all coming equipped with video cameras, 2.) Broadband Internet, even on cellular connections and 3.) social media.


The convergence of those three elements has led to a massive amount of upheaval and even social change or more precisely the yearning for social change.

Well, even with the technology, there is the notion of "what's yours?".  I think the social media has influenced that as well.  Even with the technology to whack off over video technology, why does someone else ever get to think they can (or should) release that for everyone ELSE to see?   

Call me a whackjob, but if I came across someone's intimate photos, my first instinct isn't to blackmail them and put them on the interwebs.


There is not one bit of daylight between us on this.   :)   
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 04, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
By the way, just putting it out there that when a person is 19 in every state in the US they are well above the age of consent.  They highest age of consent states have it set at 18.  Once you are 18 you are an adult when it comes to matters of sexual contact with other consenting adults.  Full stop.  That's the law of the land.



Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 04, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
By the way, just putting it out there that when a person is 19 in every state in the US they are well above the age of consent.  They highest age of consent states have it set at 18.  Once you are 18 you are an adult when it comes to matters of sexual contact with other consenting adults.  Full stop.  That's the law of the land.
Except in Texas, where you can get laid at 17, do porn when you're 18, but as of Tuesday can't dance in a titty bar until you're 21.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 04, 2021, 01:21:07 PM
"Wait, what?"


"It's Texas"


"Oh, right. Nevermind"







Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 04, 2021, 01:26:26 PM
"Wait, what?"


"It's Texas"


"Oh, right. Nevermind"
Two years ago that assessment typically pissed me off. People tended to mistake us for Florida in terms of back-asswards craziness, when we really weren't even close. The last two years have really changed things, though. This place really is becoming that fucking crazy.

And the sad part is that the law they just signed will really hurt a lot of the people the allegedly want to protect. Girls 18-21 really are often times dancing their way through college. Twenty-two year olds who are still dancing are typically the ones who need help. Details like that tend to be lost on old men who only care about appearances rather than reality.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 04, 2021, 01:32:39 PM
Plus, it's always special to have 50 (or whatever number your legislature is) almost exclusively white over-50 men deciding public policy for all women. 


Welcome to 1952
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on June 04, 2021, 01:48:05 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?
If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.

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Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.

If defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls aligns with your values, then I am happy that our values don't align. If you think I'm a dick, I couldn't care less, I'm not trying to impress you or be your friend, I maintain great relationships with lots of people in real life who feel the same as I do. I guess I'm lucky to have other dick friends in the real world. I did not join the DT fan forums 20years ago to gain popularity points, as I'm sure you don't know me just like I don't know you. I came here because in real life, you aren't likely to be able to talk about anything related to the band since they aren't well liked or known by the average person. With that being said, if you think I'm a dick, well perception is reality so I guess the same could be said about you.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on June 04, 2021, 01:55:38 PM
Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other.  But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay?  [/humble request from the mod staff]


That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with having strong feelings on either side of the issue.  You (everybody) are entitled to feel how you want to feel about the situation.  I think the bottom line has already been posted:  Mustaine made his decision, and was well within his right to do so, and one can either agree or disagree, think he is right, or think he is an idiot, or some combination of the above. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2021, 02:01:40 PM
I think he's rightly an idiot. ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 04, 2021, 02:02:15 PM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?
If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.

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Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.

If defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls aligns with your values, then I am happy that our values don't align. If you think I'm a dick, I couldn't care less, I'm not trying to impress you or be your friend, I maintain great relationships with lots of people in real life who feel the same as I do. I guess I'm lucky to have other dick friends in the real world. I did not join the DT fan forums 20years ago to gain popularity points, as I'm sure you don't know me just like I don't know you. I came here because in real life, you aren't likely to be able to talk about anything related to the band since they aren't well liked or known by the average person. With that being said, if you think I'm a dick, well perception is reality so I guess the same could be said about you.
I didn't call you a dick. I said your post made you come across like one, which may or may not have been your intention. As for our respective values, mine are pretty straight forward. I don't give a fuck what somebody does in their private life. An attitude I extend to everybody, including you. It's simply not my place to judge others for how they get their kicks. It seems that an absence of moral judgement is indeed a value we do not share.


Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other.  But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay?  [/humble request from the mod staff]

 :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on June 05, 2021, 05:24:59 AM
Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other.  But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay?  [/humble request from the mod staff]


That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with having strong feelings on either side of the issue.  You (everybody) are entitled to feel how you want to feel about the situation.  I think the bottom line has already been posted:  Mustaine made his decision, and was well within his right to do so, and one can either agree or disagree, think he is right, or think he is an idiot, or some combination of the above.

I think we both made our points, and I'm not here to cause drama. I don't hate or dislike anyone here over it, unfortunately this is today's world. People either agree or disagree, left or right, common ground seems to elude us on all subjects. Peace
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 05, 2021, 09:24:52 AM
Well, the two of you certainly don't have to like each other.  But you do need to get along reasonably, so let's take it down a notch before it gets taken up a notch, okay?  [/humble request from the mod staff]


That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with having strong feelings on either side of the issue.  You (everybody) are entitled to feel how you want to feel about the situation.  I think the bottom line has already been posted:  Mustaine made his decision, and was well within his right to do so, and one can either agree or disagree, think he is right, or think he is an idiot, or some combination of the above.

I think we both made our points, and I'm not here to cause drama. I don't hate or dislike anyone here over it, unfortunately this is today's world. People either agree or disagree, left or right, common ground seems to elude us on all subjects. Peace

What is the common ground here?

I dont think there is. As we do not know all the facts. All we are basing our opinions on are Assumptions, and Expectations.

Assumptions of Ellefsons intent. And Expectations for how one should act, and in this case how a band member should act.

I for one do not care. And am just responding with my assumption and reasonings for why Mustaine fired Ellefson. I am not going to argue over an assumption. If we want to know just ask Mustaine himself, that is if will tell you the truth. Until then, its all just assumptions, no need to get into a heated argument over that... :lol

But here, in this circumstance, Mustaine got rid of Ellefson due to Ellefsons own actions and choices. Not anyone else's fault besides the one who chose to perform that action which is what caused the stir and spotlight to shine all over Ellefson who has glitter all over his hands.

This is not about Mustaine being Mustaine. It's about Ellefson and his unwise choice to do what he did. And Mustaine showed to the world, he isn't one to tolerate that kind of behavior and act from his band mates.

The focus is on the music and the priority is playing live to the fans who bought tickets to a postponed show. The band knows they have a responsibility for the fans of Megadeth.

For the music and the fans, getting rid of the extra baggage is the right thing to do. I mean, it is what happened to Mustaine, in order for Metallica to continue their responsibility to the fans of Metallica and keep playing shows.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on June 06, 2021, 04:54:06 PM
On a less serious note ,  Kiko Loureiro's Facebook account has been hacked by one of those Chinese/Korean accounts that loves to post those "check out this amazing moment etc..." posts and everyone is having plenty of fun at his expense , including a few bands known around these parts (Teramaze for one).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 06, 2021, 05:34:03 PM
On a less serious note ,  Kiko Loureiro's Facebook account has been hacked by one of those Chinese/Korean accounts that loves to post those "check out this amazing moment etc..." posts and everyone is having plenty of fun at his expense , including a few bands known around these parts (Teramaze for one).

I saw that and was wondering what it was about.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Moor on June 07, 2021, 02:00:08 AM
Courtesy of everyone's favorite metal tabloid, Blabbermouth...

Earlier today (Sunday, May 30), Jason's wife Nicole took to her Instagram to pour cold water on fans' hopes of seeing her husband share the stage with Dave Mustaine and company.

She wrote: "Hi guys! Two things
"1. Jason is not joining MEGADETH. peace to them. Listen to metal
"2. Jason does not have social media accounts; this includes but is not limited to TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Onlyfans and Tinder. "If you are receiving dm's from the Jason Newsted music account or any other account claiming to be Jason please know this is not Jason and proceed at your own risk".

This gave me some Jaci Gillette vibes!  :lol :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2021, 08:46:04 AM
It's definitely cancel culture, but now add into it the fact that he sued him (strained relationship)
This is the second time that this is being brought up. First by KirksNoseHair and now you. What lawsuit? The one from 2004? If so, that's water looooooong under the bridge. Had that still been an issue, Mustaine would've never brought Ellefson back into the band in 2010.

At what point in time do you decide it's okay that the guy that you made sues you and then all of this isn't a strain? I'm sure if someone sued you it would never be water under the bridge, even if it was in 2004. I think all of this falls into the category of a strained relationship. When would you forgive the guy?
If and when I realized that maybe he was right. I mentioned this in a different thread, but Ozzy certainly seems to have gotten over Daisley/Kerslake suing him. Probably because he realized they were right to do so. I have no idea who was in the right re the two Daves, but my hunch is that there's probably fault on all sides; there usually is. Realizing that is when sensible, decent people can put things behind them and move on.

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Sorry I offended some of you, but I have a problem with a grown ass man behaving the way he did. It probably only scratches the surface. IDGAF if she's 19 and legal, he doesn't have enough brains to know what's at stake when he has his dick in his hand and his face on camera? I lost all respect for the man, he's a dirty old pervert and I can't fathom why some of you are defending him unless you are aligned with him. Do the guys I offended have daughters? Your feelings about these type of people will change when you do. Either way, I've made it clear I'm NOT on his side and don't get how you could possibly flip this onto Mustaine.
You didn't offend me in as much as you offended yourself. What you posted made you come across as a dick. If that wasn't your intention then so be it, but you should consider that when you go around insulting people who don't share your particularly narrow point of view, you're not winning yourself any popularity points. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You say that you "can't fathom why some of us are defending him unless you're aligned with him." Maybe some of us simply don't share your values? Yeah, I think that's it.

If defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls aligns with your values, then I am happy that our values don't align. If you think I'm a dick, I couldn't care less, I'm not trying to impress you or be your friend, I maintain great relationships with lots of people in real life who feel the same as I do. I guess I'm lucky to have other dick friends in the real world. I did not join the DT fan forums 20years ago to gain popularity points, as I'm sure you don't know me just like I don't know you. I came here because in real life, you aren't likely to be able to talk about anything related to the band since they aren't well liked or known by the average person. With that being said, if you think I'm a dick, well perception is reality so I guess the same could be said about you.

I don't think you're a dick, but I'm confused why YOUR values have to be someone else's values, and I'm confused why "letting someone else choose their values" means "defending a 60 year old man in a metal band who beats off on camera to young girls".  I don't have to like (or do myself) what someone else does, but it's not my place to tell anyone what to do.   People swing.  People smoke dope.  People engage in same-sex behavior.  People tie other people up.   What you beat off to is your bizniss, and no one else's. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 07, 2021, 09:09:57 AM
edit:clarity

The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.

Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.

*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on June 07, 2021, 09:14:03 AM
Spot on. People are under pressure to approve all things to do with sex above all else, but it doesn’t have to be that way. There is such a thing as balance which is applied in every other aspect of life.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2021, 09:17:14 AM
Mora, I’ve read your post a couple of times. What exactly are you asking in the last paragraph?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 07, 2021, 09:22:23 AM
What exactly are you asking in the last paragraph?
If you were in a band with this guy, would you still want to be in a band with this guy? Because everyone is saying "yes, Mustaine should suck it up and be in a band with this guy because he didn't do anything illegal", and yet when people are writing on other sections of the board, they're not that non-judgmental.

By the way and no pun intended, the person who leaked the video should be mega-sued.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2021, 09:23:44 AM
What exactly are you asking in the last paragraph?
If you were in a band with this guy, would you still want to be in a band with this guy? Because everyone is saying "yes, Mustaine should suck it up and be in a band with this guy because he didn't do anything illegal", and yet when people are writing on other sections of the board, they're not that non-judgmental.

Ok gotcha. I’ve been thinking about this whole thing and I’ll respond after work.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2021, 09:26:38 AM
The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.

Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.

*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. It's about getting married, having kids or pets in a house you own, teaching kids to get a good education and stay out of trouble and form supportive relationships, amassing wealth to take care of them when you're gone and so on and so forth, not a lot of liberated or libertine stuff, not a lot of age gap relationships or hookups, anything-goes-relationships, drug use, nomadic lifestyles. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?

The two issues aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.   I can tolerate someone's moral choices and not want to be subject to them.   Since I wrote something similar to the bold, I am yes, honestly saying that my advice to my kid would be to "be safe".  What else am I going to do?  I'm not now and never have been a "do it my way, or hit the highway" kind of guy.   Would I LIKE it?  No, not necessarily.  But we're not at the point of "like" or "dislike", we're at the point of telling other, consenting, adult people what they can or cannot do, and better or worse, that's not my way of dealing with the world.  I don't like it when people tell me what MY morals should be, and the price of being able to tell them to go fuck themselves is that I don't get to do the same thing to them.   My adult (that is, over the age of consent) kids are smart and more worldly than I was at that same age.  I worry, I don't like everything they do, but I also know they are reasonably intelligent, and I have to trust them and the decisions they make.  That's not to say that I wouldn't possibly have done what Mustaine did, and I've never once said that he couldn't do it.  I was more focused on the people judging the CAUSE.  Mustaine could fire him because it's Tuesday, so the two issues aren't really the same question; don't confuse - as so many people do in this day and age of "moral judgement" - "accept" and "tolerate".

(Having said that, though, what's the difference between firing someone for online masturbation, and say, other behavior that some find questionable?   If Ellefson was dressed as a nurse, and was leading around another guy dressed like the leather guy from the Village People through Provincetown, MA  - something I've personally witnessed - what would the answer be? There's where your hypocrisy comes in.)

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 07, 2021, 01:38:04 PM
The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.

Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.

*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. It's about getting married, having kids or pets in a house you own, teaching kids to get a good education and stay out of trouble and form supportive relationships, amassing wealth to take care of them when you're gone and so on and so forth, not a lot of liberated or libertine stuff, not a lot of age gap relationships or hookups, anything-goes-relationships, drug use, nomadic lifestyles. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?
Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Anxiety35 on June 10, 2021, 03:59:54 PM
The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.

Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.

*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. It's about getting married, having kids or pets in a house you own, teaching kids to get a good education and stay out of trouble and form supportive relationships, amassing wealth to take care of them when you're gone and so on and so forth, not a lot of liberated or libertine stuff, not a lot of age gap relationships or hookups, anything-goes-relationships, drug use, nomadic lifestyles. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?
Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.

It all depends on what Ellefson's contract stated. There are grounds for termination in a contract. Did Ellefson's actions warrant his termination? Our opinions don't matter. What matters is what the contract states. If the contract had in it that termination would happen with any personal action that would be detrimental to the band's image and perception, then what Ellefson did could be deemed as such.

We must note that we have no idea what Ellefson's contract says.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 10, 2021, 04:56:33 PM
The most baffling point of view you can take on this issue is that this is Mustaine trying to get ahead of cancel culture. Dave Mustaine, seriously? He risks being cancelled by his audience by firing DE more than he would the other way around.

Mentioning an "already strained relationship" makes me think that he sat down and said "great, now this guy I only keep in the band because it was good for the band at the time he rejoined will send girls younger than my daughter videos like a total dipshit and I'll have people chanting MegaWank!! MegaWank!! when we eventually manage to get on stage and play". Life is too short for that kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's his private thing, but we judge people for private things all the time and want nothing to do with them if they fall short of what we think is good interpersonal behavior. It's fine if I write I think he's a sleazy old hypocrite who deserves all the laughs and memes he's getting* even though he's had something bad done to him as well, but the de-facto owner of the band can't have a private dispute with him and kick him out of the band even without considering ~all of the facts~? After all, he's more personally invested than me.

*Without calling anyone out in particular, I think it's interesting that in the "life chat" section of the board, the attitudes towards life that prevail are pretty conservative, as is befitting of (mostly) men of your generation. It's about getting married, having kids or pets in a house you own, teaching kids to get a good education and stay out of trouble and form supportive relationships, amassing wealth to take care of them when you're gone and so on and so forth, not a lot of liberated or libertine stuff, not a lot of age gap relationships or hookups, anything-goes-relationships, drug use, nomadic lifestyles. Political attitudes trend towards socially conservative when they are fiscally conservative as well, with some exceptions. Are you really, honestly telling me with hands on your hearts you wouldn't have a negative opinion of someone in your environment getting caught sending technically legal wanking videos? When it's your kids, you're honestly telling me that the only two options are either "well my daughter wouldn't do this" and "I would just advise her to be safe"? Why does that have to be an argument anyway, but since it is, you wouldn't dislike a 56-year-old guy who had an online hookup with your 19-year-old daughter even a little bit? If it came up that you two had to do business, you would say "well I can't judge him for what he does in his private life"?
Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.

It all depends on what Ellefson's contract stated. There are grounds for termination in a contract. Did Ellefson's actions warrant his termination? Our opinions don't matter. What matters is what the contract states. If the contract had in it that termination would happen with any personal action that would be detrimental to the band's image and perception, then what Ellefson did could be deemed as such.

We must note that we have no idea what Ellefson's contract says.
Of course this is all true. I don't think anybody is arguing the legality of this. Hell, I've spent ten years arguing that anybody should be able to fire any employee for any reason they want, end of story. I think the question being bandied about is whether firing him for this reason makes him an asshole. Thus far opinions seem to be pretty evenly mixed on good guy/bad guy status. I also raised the greater, general point in my reply to MW regarding using morality as a basis for business decisions, and the danger of applying such subjective standards out here in the real world.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 14, 2021, 01:46:24 PM
No idea if this has anything to do with the Ellefson situation, but..timing...

https://bravewords.com/news/david-ellefson-s-business-partner-thom-hazaert-retires-from-music-business-f-k-music-i-hate-it-now-anyway


This guy's statement is worth the read. This dude is mad.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WilliamMunny on June 14, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
No idea if this has anything to do with the Ellefson situation, but..timing...

https://bravewords.com/news/david-ellefson-s-business-partner-thom-hazaert-retires-from-music-business-f-k-music-i-hate-it-now-anyway


This guy's statement is worth the read. This dude is mad.

I can appreciate his stance, and honestly, as a musician that no one will ever hear of, I can even identify with a lot of what he says...but, seriously, why post that? I will never, ever understand our society's obsession with social media.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LudwigVan on June 14, 2021, 04:07:30 PM
It sounds as if he’s lashing out at someone specific. Like a personal message in a public forum, as in, I’m not naming names but you know who you are. I wonder who? Ellefson? Mustaine? Both?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 14, 2021, 05:57:57 PM
No idea if this has anything to do with the Ellefson situation, but..timing...

https://bravewords.com/news/david-ellefson-s-business-partner-thom-hazaert-retires-from-music-business-f-k-music-i-hate-it-now-anyway


This guy's statement is worth the read. This dude is mad.

Is he Jesus?  He literally died?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on June 14, 2021, 05:59:26 PM
No idea if this has anything to do with the Ellefson situation, but..timing...

https://bravewords.com/news/david-ellefson-s-business-partner-thom-hazaert-retires-from-music-business-f-k-music-i-hate-it-now-anyway


This guy's statement is worth the read. This dude is mad.

Is he Jesus?  He literally died?

Could be a Nikki Sixx-like situation. Died but revived.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on June 14, 2021, 06:35:56 PM
Has anyone called the wahhmbulance yet? He could have just said this:

Quote
"We live in a nearly apocalyptic world where anyone can say anything and post it on the internet, and it’s true. A World that thrives on drama, and manipulation, where everyone wants to be a victim, and anyone will hear anything, with no context or actual knowledge of the situation, and it’s true. (If they want it to be.) That’s this world, and even moreso, this business. And this has been proven to be true of even some of my closest “friends”.

and then retired but the rest made him sound like a sore loser.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 15, 2021, 09:20:40 AM
I don't know.  I hate those 'screeds'.  What's the point?  NO ONE is that much of a saint, and so it just begs the question that there's another side to this that would put everything in perspective.  And the old "I COULD tell, but I won't, because 'me'" thing is lame-o, if you ask me.  Either do it or shut the fuck up about it.   There's no honor in implication, just cowardice.   I know, harsh, but it is how I feel about it.  This guy - who I've never heard of - does have a wiki page, and to read it, it's not like he's not had opportunities, so for me, that just reads like "Hmm, it can't possibly be my bad decisions or poor choices, so it MUST be that I've been fucked over by every living person that came into contact with me".   Please.  I'll pass on that.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WilliamMunny on June 15, 2021, 10:08:01 AM
I don't know.  I hate those 'screeds'.  What's the point?  NO ONE is that much of a saint, and so it just begs the question that there's another side to this that would put everything in perspective.  And the old "I COULD tell, but I won't, because 'me'" thing is lame-o, if you ask me.  Either do it or shut the fuck up about it.   There's no honor in implication, just cowardice.   I know, harsh, but it is how I feel about it.  This guy - who I've never heard of - does have a wiki page, and to read it, it's not like he's not had opportunities, so for me, that just reads like "Hmm, it can't possibly be my bad decisions or poor choices, so it MUST be that I've been fucked over by every living person that came into contact with me".   Please.  I'll pass on that.

This.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 15, 2021, 10:20:18 AM
I don't know.  I hate those 'screeds'.  What's the point?  NO ONE is that much of a saint, and so it just begs the question that there's another side to this that would put everything in perspective.  And the old "I COULD tell, but I won't, because 'me'" thing is lame-o, if you ask me.  Either do it or shut the fuck up about it.   There's no honor in implication, just cowardice.   I know, harsh, but it is how I feel about it.  This guy - who I've never heard of - does have a wiki page, and to read it, it's not like he's not had opportunities, so for me, that just reads like "Hmm, it can't possibly be my bad decisions or poor choices, so it MUST be that I've been fucked over by every living person that came into contact with me".   Please.  I'll pass on that.
Sounds like the dude just needed to vent. Everybody needs to once in a while. If it were a calculated response threatening to name names and unearth bodies I'd agree with you. Seems more stream of consciousness, though. I wouldn't read any more into it than a guy is sick to death of a corrupt to the core industry, and wanted to rant. Mission accomplished.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on June 15, 2021, 10:56:00 AM
I agree with EB. Oh I think we all try to stay out of the rigmarole as much as we can, but once in a while, when the straw breaks the camels back, we’ve all been guilty of typing out some sort of “mission statement” type of rant.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 15, 2021, 02:07:18 PM
Not that I've never, but I guess that's just not my style.  If I've got beef with people I try to deal with the people, instead of embarrassing them purposefully or inadvertently (who didn't read that and think "wow, he's really got it out for Dave Ellefson!").   People have been venting for 10's of thousands of years, and I think the consequences are different when they can be reduced to writing and exposed to the entire world.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on June 15, 2021, 02:43:51 PM
Not that I've never, but I guess that's just not my style.  If I've got beef with people I try to deal with the people, instead of embarrassing them purposefully or inadvertently (who didn't read that and think "wow, he's really got it out for Dave Ellefson!").   People have been venting for 10's of thousands of years, and I think the consequences are different when they can be reduced to writing and exposed to the entire world.

Well, apparently this guy has been in the music business for a very long time and I’ve never heard of him until now. So one could make the argument that it’s not exactly his MO either.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 15, 2021, 03:30:56 PM
Not that I've never, but I guess that's just not my style.  If I've got beef with people I try to deal with the people, instead of embarrassing them purposefully or inadvertently (who didn't read that and think "wow, he's really got it out for Dave Ellefson!").   People have been venting for 10's of thousands of years, and I think the consequences are different when they can be reduced to writing and exposed to the entire world.

I didn't read it as a means to be out for Dave Ellefson specifically. It's a "got it out" for the entire Music Businesses Industry as a whole. It really is a messed up business, with lots of shady deals happening regarding contract deals, and how those contract deals can come across. And how him, being a part of this Shady Business has sucked all the excitement, passion, and joy of why he got in the business in the first place. It's not because of Money, it's because of that passion. And with regards to how messed up this business is, it's corrupted that it kills that passion...


As an example is Marco Hietala from Nightwish. He just up and quit and decided to leave the entire Industry and Business as well. He wants nothing to do with it anymore.

And then there is the fiasco with the tour promoter, where bands ended up cutting ties with him. It left the Symphony X show with Primal Fear and Firewind up in the air, as that guy was promoting the show.

It's a really big deal in the Music Business Industry right now. It's bigger than we think, and we can only go off of 'why is it that bands are cutting ties with promoters?'...

https://distincttoday.net/2021/04/07/pop-stars-including-sam-fender-cut-ties-with-promoter-and-festival-organiser-ssd-concerts/

He is venting, because of how this industry has depleted and, like a vampire, sucked out all the blood of his motivation.

How is it that a business can be so corrupt up that it destroys peoples passion, and joy, to the point where they don't want to do it anymore?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 16, 2021, 07:20:21 AM
Look, I get it.  I've been saying for two decades to anyone that will listen that "find your passion" is the worst career advice you could ever get/give, because it only means that your passion will be driven from you and killed in a painful death when you realize it's a shitty way to have to put food on the table if you're not one of the handful that break out.  My oldest stepson LOVES cars.  LOVES them.  He got a job as a tech with a BMW dealer - his favorite car/manufacturer - and left in like 9 months, because after the 245th oil change on the ultimate driving machine that the owner apparently doesn't give two shits about, he was losing his mind.

But it's not new at this point; all you have to do is read any rock biography, or watch any three or four of the 100's of Behind The Music episodes to see it's not all tea and roses.   The guy hob-nobbed with his favorite artists and has a wiki-page.  Forgive me, call me cold, but I'm not shedding any tears here. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WilliamMunny on June 16, 2021, 07:46:52 AM
Look, I get it.  I've been saying for two decades to anyone that will listen that "find your passion" is the worst career advice you could ever get/give, because it only means that your passion will be driven from you and killed in a painful death when you realize it's a shitty way to have to put food on the table if you're not one of the handful that break out.  My oldest stepson LOVES cars.  LOVES them.  He got a job as a tech with a BMW dealer - his favorite car/manufacturer - and left in like 9 months, because after the 245th oil change on the ultimate driving machine that the owner apparently doesn't give two shits about, he was losing his mind.

But it's not new at this point; all you have to do is read any rock biography, or watch any three or four of the 100's of Behind The Music episodes to see it's not all tea and roses.   The guy hob-nobbed with his favorite artists and has a wiki-page.  Forgive me, call me cold, but I'm not shedding any tears here.

I take your point here, but I would counter that 'find your passion' can also mean 'play to your strengths,' which, IMO, is great advice.

While the BMW thing didn't work out, there are certainly other options for your step-son in the automotive industry.

I've been working in the music-industry for 25 years. Be it behind the counter at a record store, or as a buyer for a major retail player, I'm not necessarily 'making records,' but at least I'm still connected to music.

Are there things that piss me off about my job? Absolutely, but here's what I like to tell new hires during onboarding: "The way I look at it, regardless of what you do for a job, you have to talk about 'something' to 'someone' all day long. A banker has to talk about money, a mechanic has to talk about cars, a doctor has to talk about surgery—I talk about pianos and guitars and, well, all sorts of musical things. As a lifelong musician, my job is an effortless exercise in that there's already an inherent passion there.

I agree with you, Stadler—the wrong job can ruin just about anything, including your passion, but I'd contend that it's far from a given.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 16, 2021, 08:56:43 AM
You're 100% right; he ended up joining the Army as a helicopter mechanic and has found his niche.  He gets to turn wrenches, but it's a different clientele and the challenge is always there (being airlifted out to fix a damaged bird in the field - in Afghanistan - certainly put the "excitement" back in his job).   
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 16, 2021, 10:26:57 AM
Look, I get it.  I've been saying for two decades to anyone that will listen that "find your passion" is the worst career advice you could ever get/give, because it only means that your passion will be driven from you and killed in a painful death when you realize it's a shitty way to have to put food on the table if you're not one of the handful that break out.  My oldest stepson LOVES cars.  LOVES them.  He got a job as a tech with a BMW dealer - his favorite car/manufacturer - and left in like 9 months, because after the 245th oil change on the ultimate driving machine that the owner apparently doesn't give two shits about, he was losing his mind.

But it's not new at this point; all you have to do is read any rock biography, or watch any three or four of the 100's of Behind The Music episodes to see it's not all tea and roses.   The guy hob-nobbed with his favorite artists and has a wiki-page.  Forgive me, call me cold, but I'm not shedding any tears here.

I'm not shedding tears either.

It's just how things are now as this dark area of the Entertainment Business Industry is being exposed by the very people in that Business Industry.

We all wonder why members of bands leave, and most won't say because of this shady dealings. Hip-Hop artists know this all too well. You want to famous and at the top, you got to pay. It's why popular Hip-Hop sounds the way it does. While the true Hip-Hop is left in the dirt, where we have to dig to find the gold. And these true Hip-Hop artists talk about a lot of things regarding life and politics as well. These Hip-Hop artists will never be as famous or well known as the popular Hip-Hop artists. And like any great music,  they have followers.

It's why Dead Prez wrote "It's Bigger Than Hip-Hop"...There is also a book of the same name that is very fascinating and gives a glimpse into the Hip-Hop culture.

That is just one area of this entire Music Business Industry. Then there's the Metal World. The Country World, and even the Latino music world.

Even the Marley's talk about these kind of things. Listen to Mind Control by Stephen Marley and the Nas and Damian Marley collab album Distant Relatives.

I'm sorry I post essays on these forums. But I have a lot to say about these topics. Especially music, as I have gathered this perception based off of Behind The Scenes, Books, Biography's, and interviews on YouTube. Marco Hietala leaving caused Patty Gurdy to talk with Tom Englund about depression, and mental health in the Music Industry. This is where I found out Tom has a degree in Psychology. Which I find amazing. And then you add in Kevin Moore, and the reasons for him being cold, and not into it, and just leaving doing his own thing, and becoming a Psychologist. His music reflects this passion for understanding the human mind, especially when you consider the source for Graveyard Mountain Home. Moore is really good at putting emotional tones into Music.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on June 18, 2021, 12:07:03 PM
They've recorded a new album, right? Do you think they'll "pull an Ozzy" and re-record Ellefson's parts before release?

Looks like they will do just that.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dave_mustaine_removes_david_ellefson_tracks_from_new_megadeth_album_says_bass_parts_will_be_re-recorded_by_stellar_new_bassist.html
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2021, 12:11:35 PM
They've recorded a new album, right? Do you think they'll "pull an Ozzy" and re-record Ellefson's parts before release?

Looks like they will do just that.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dave_mustaine_removes_david_ellefson_tracks_from_new_megadeth_album_says_bass_parts_will_be_re-recorded_by_stellar_new_bassist.html

(https://i.imgflip.com/5drftu.jpg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 18, 2021, 12:35:42 PM
What's stellar is the amount of press he's getting because of this. My first thought was that he foolishly Streisanded this whole thing, as it probably would have blown over on its own. Now I think that was the plan. When was the last time Megadeth actually had any relevance? Suddenly people are interested again. Even the people like me that can't stand the guy are talking about him again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 18, 2021, 04:32:08 PM
Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.
You're comparing apples to oranges, your example is pretty illegal. So it would be if Mustaine said "the new guy in my band is a Catholic (what flavor of Christian is Mustaine again?), I can't deal with that, off he goes". Or "his Ancestry results came back, turns out he's Danish, goodbye". The rest is just, good reasons and bad reasons, good morals and bad morals. You can fire a guy for stealing riffs, yelling at people, and yes, turning himself into a wank meme on the internet with people arguing in the comment sections if the girl you sent the video to was underage or not, and I won't judge you even a little bit, and those are all morality based decisions. A morality based decision would also be if you fired a guy for smoking weed in his private time, and then I might judge you a little bit, and call you a square.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on June 20, 2021, 11:22:18 AM
Since it's OK for Mustaine to fire Ellefson over a disagreement over the morality of his actions, surely that means he could fire him for being gay, right? Where should we draw the line when it comes to evaluating the private life of an employee? Like Stadler, I fully support DM's right to fire DE. It's his band. Let's try and maintain some consistency here, though. If you're going to allow morality to become a factor in your decision making, then you have to allow others to do the same.
You're comparing apples to oranges, your example is pretty illegal. So it would be if Mustaine said "the new guy in my band is a Catholic (what flavor of Christian is Mustaine again?), I can't deal with that, off he goes". Or "his Ancestry results came back, turns out he's Danish, goodbye". The rest is just, good reasons and bad reasons, good morals and bad morals. You can fire a guy for stealing riffs, yelling at people, and yes, turning himself into a wank meme on the internet with people arguing in the comment sections if the girl you sent the video to was underage or not, and I won't judge you even a little bit, and those are all morality based decisions. A morality based decision would also be if you fired a guy for smoking weed in his private time, and then I might judge you a little bit, and call you a square.

You're technically right, but I think El Barto is going for "is it just"?  At least that's where I would hope he's going.  To me, wanking on the internet is a sexual "choice" just like anything else.   Outside of the obvious infringements on consent, why should some sexual expressions be frowned upon - indelibly linked to moral judgement - and others not just tolerated but celebrated - and forcibly separated from moral judgment?

This is where the current narrative on identity politics fails us, if you ask me, and why you are able to say "such-and-such is illegal".  The narrative has clouded the difference between a state of being, and the actions used to express that state of being.   There are plenty and plenty of straight people who have sexual urges they are born with, that they cannot control, and which do not harm any other individual, and yet are forced, for moral and/or legal reasons, to curtail those urges in whole or in part (ask anyone that is attracted to people of a certain age, or or engage in exhibitionary behavior - I'm thinking of the cute teacher that has a couple photos or videos in her past - or have have developed feelings for a familial relation).  I SHOULD be able to view homosexuality as immoral, in the same way I am entitled to view promiscuity, or polygamy, or any other subset of the sexual continuum as "immoral".  Should I be able to act on that view?


(And for anyone reading this, don't for a second assume; for a old man that leans conservative on many things, I very much believe that two consenting adults ought to be able to pretty much do whatever they want sexually.  Whether I - or anyone else - approves or understands should not factor into that even a little bit.  Mustaine should be able to fire him, but the reasons don't really matter; I think he should be able to fire him because it's Tuesday, or because Mustaine rolled a 15 on his 20-sided die.)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: El Barto on June 20, 2021, 11:35:43 AM

You're technically right, but I think El Barto is going for "is it just"?
:tup  Just trying to suggest a bit of consistency here.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Volante99 on June 20, 2021, 11:47:41 AM
What's stellar is the amount of press he's getting because of this. My first thought was that he foolishly Streisanded this whole thing, as it probably would have blown over on its own. Now I think that was the plan. When was the last time Megadeth actually had any relevance? Suddenly people are interested again. Even the people like me that can't stand the guy are talking about him again.

100% my thoughts. Feel like the whole thing had already blown over and THEN Mustaine canned Ellefson and brought it back to the “front page” again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 20, 2021, 03:33:47 PM
They've recorded a new album, right? Do you think they'll "pull an Ozzy" and re-record Ellefson's parts before release?

Looks like they will do just that.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dave_mustaine_removes_david_ellefson_tracks_from_new_megadeth_album_says_bass_parts_will_be_re-recorded_by_stellar_new_bassist.html

Lol Mustaine.  Ruthless, love him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on July 26, 2021, 02:10:06 AM
We have an album title confirmed.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/dave_mustaine_confirms_title_of_the_new_megadeth_album.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/dave_mustaine_confirms_title_of_the_new_megadeth_album.html)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 26, 2021, 05:31:10 AM
Classic sounding Megadeth title.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 09, 2021, 09:09:24 AM
Sorry to be beating a dead horse, but I just noticed that Ellefson said this part in repentance and I find it hilarious with the situation he is in...

"You're only as sick as your secrets...
but the truth shall set you free."



Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 09, 2021, 09:29:50 AM
Well.. he was set free.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: coz on August 10, 2021, 09:04:17 PM
Sorry to be beating a dead horse, but I just noticed that Ellefson said this part in repentance and I find it hilarious with the situation he is in...

"You're only as sick as your secrets...
but the truth shall set you free."
Whoa.  That's eerily prophetic.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on August 11, 2021, 02:33:46 AM
Good job picking up on that. As creepy as the quote was, it's even creepier now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on August 11, 2021, 05:14:22 PM
A previous MegaBassist has stepped up.


I give him 3 weeks tops.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 11, 2021, 05:58:13 PM
A previous MegaBassist has stepped up.


I give him 3 weeks tops.

I wonder if we'll get Washington Is Next in the set.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2021, 12:57:30 AM
Lomenzo?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on August 12, 2021, 07:52:24 AM
Lomenzo?

He is the touring bassist. They still have not said who played on the record.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on August 12, 2021, 08:11:30 AM
Lomenzo is indeed the touring bassist.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/bassist_james_lomenzo_rejoins_megadeth_for_upcoming_tour_dave_mustaine_confirms.html
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on August 12, 2021, 08:14:13 AM
Lomenzo?

He is the touring bassist. They still have not said who played on the record.

They should get Trujillo :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 12, 2021, 08:30:11 AM
Sorry to be beating a dead horse, but I just noticed that Ellefson said this part in repentance and I find it hilarious with the situation he is in...

"You're only as sick as your secrets...
but the truth shall set you free."

There's worse things to beat...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zydar on August 12, 2021, 08:38:08 AM
:zydar:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 20, 2021, 12:48:33 PM
Premiered yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6URPndg9cg
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on August 22, 2021, 04:54:21 PM
Premiered yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6URPndg9cg

 :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 07, 2021, 04:16:07 AM
I love backstage stuff like this, I enjoy seeing the crew getting some love and respect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-LJ3LCAzYM&ab_channel=KikoLoureiro

Gotta damn the band sounds killer on that rehearsal mix!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kotowboy on September 07, 2021, 04:17:35 AM
Premiered yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6URPndg9cg

" The best rhythm guitarists in rock are Angus Young, James Hetfield and ME "

:lolpalm:

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 11, 2021, 10:32:00 AM
Symphony, Hangar 18, Conquer - Rehearsals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EQbAs3Y5oQ&ab_channel=KikoLoureiro)

"You ready Dirk or whatever your name is back there?"  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 10, 2021, 11:50:56 AM
Megadeth, Lamb of God, Trivium and Hatebreed Stage Load In (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STldYMIeTXg&ab_channel=KikoLoureiro)

I enjoy seeing Kikos vlogs, it's interesting seeing the professionalism among the musicians, not that i'm surprised by it but I mean everyone except Dave is basically a hired gun in the band.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on October 10, 2021, 04:25:12 PM
Megadeth, Lamb of God, Trivium and Hatebreed Stage Load In (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STldYMIeTXg&ab_channel=KikoLoureiro)

I enjoy seeing Kikos vlogs, it's interesting seeing the professionalism among the musicians, not that i'm surprised by it but I mean everyone except Dave is basically a hired gun in the band.

Been watching most of his videos. Really interesting behind the scenes look at day to day life on tour and he's really engaging to listen to. Dave got extremely lucky to get him in the band
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 31, 2022, 08:22:35 PM
Dave finally confirmed that Steve DiGiorgio played on the new album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on April 01, 2022, 12:31:29 AM
I have unfollowed Megadeth on all social media. At this point, I do not believe they've actually made the album.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 23, 2022, 03:33:25 PM
It's cool seeing the attention to detail they have in the show production. The band sounds just killer. While it's probably pretty easy stuff for them to play in general given their backgrounds, however when you get into the details of nailing every song 100% in a complete set every night it's a alot to think about.

Back To The Road With Megadeth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSQPTE3Bj_U&ab_channel=KikoLoureiro)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 07, 2022, 01:05:48 PM
Dave Mustaine's Concert Etiquette

https://youtu.be/4JBtVwFjnJ0 (https://youtu.be/4JBtVwFjnJ0)

 :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 07, 2022, 01:11:09 PM
Dave Mustaine's Concert Etiquette

https://youtu.be/4JBtVwFjnJ0 (https://youtu.be/4JBtVwFjnJ0)

 :rollin

 :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 07, 2022, 05:47:00 PM
Why is he lying like that?  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 07, 2022, 06:55:02 PM
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol

Wut?  It was 58 seconds!?  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2022, 10:34:57 AM
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol

Wut?  It was 58 seconds!?  :lol

Well, to break it down using a different measuring stick, that's the approximate time for two TAC coital episodes.  Why would he waste that time?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2022, 10:45:13 AM
Not counting the at least three hours recovery time between them. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2022, 02:08:24 PM
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol

Coming from the guy sharing those terrible Iron Maiden covers, GOOD  :lol 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 08, 2022, 07:20:20 PM
Why did I watch more of that than I should've? :lol

Coming from the guy sharing those terrible Iron Maiden covers, GOOD  :lol

 :lol

He got you there Tim.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on June 08, 2022, 07:34:15 PM
Maybe if Geoff Tate had seen that he might've realised you shouldn't spit on people at concerts (esp your drummer)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2022, 07:37:48 PM
I think we're finding out that maybe that says more about Rock than it does about Geoff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on June 08, 2022, 07:52:39 PM
I think we're finding out that maybe that says more about Rock than it does about Geoff.

I was just joking but these days - yeah you're right  :lol  At that stage (when it happened)..........I think Tate was the far bigger douchebag but he seems to have mellowed in recent years..   

Who knows...............I met Rockenfield on the Condition Human tour and he seemed like he really didn't want to be there.  Maybe that says more about me than it does about Rock  :biggrin:

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 09, 2022, 05:12:41 AM
I think we're finding out that maybe that says more about Rock than it does about Geoff.

I was just joking but these days - yeah you're right  :lol  At that stage (when it happened)..........I think Tate was the far bigger douchebag but he seems to have mellowed in recent years..   

Who knows...............I met Rockenfield on the Condition Human tour and he seemed like he really didn't want to be there.  Maybe that says more about me than it does about Rock  :biggrin:

Sounds like Brent may be the reason why Scott left Queensryche.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on June 09, 2022, 07:04:18 PM
I think we're finding out that maybe that says more about Rock than it does about Geoff.

I was just joking but these days - yeah you're right  :lol  At that stage (when it happened)..........I think Tate was the far bigger douchebag but he seems to have mellowed in recent years..   

Who knows...............I met Rockenfield on the Condition Human tour and he seemed like he really didn't want to be there.  Maybe that says more about me than it does about Rock  :biggrin:

Sounds like Brent may be the reason why Scott left Queensryche.

Hmmm..............I might've told him to bugger off if he didn't want to be there and he has taken that as meaning the band situation.  Apologies to Queensryche fans.  :blush
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 09, 2022, 07:05:31 PM
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bl5150 on June 09, 2022, 07:12:54 PM
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?

I have NOTHING to do with Ellefson  - haven't met him but I hear he's a bit of a jerk off. :neverusethis:

He's in a new band called Kings of Thrash though ..........sounds like he consulted KK Downing on the band name
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 09, 2022, 07:16:47 PM
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?

I have NOTHING to do with Ellefson  - haven't met him but I hear he's a bit of a jerk off. :neverusethis:

He's in a new band called Kings of Thrash though ..........sounds like he consulted KK Downing on the band name

Then it would've been called Junior's Deth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 09, 2022, 07:25:35 PM
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?

I heard Brent had quite a bit of pull in getting him fired.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 09, 2022, 07:33:46 PM
Why are we talking about this in the Megadeth thread? Did Brent fire Ellefson too?

I heard Brent had quite a bit of pull in getting him fired.

Just kinda rubbed him out of the band.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ZKX-2099 on June 10, 2022, 09:24:32 AM
What a jerk.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: geeeemo on June 22, 2022, 04:01:12 PM
New song tomorrow....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 23, 2022, 06:17:04 AM
New song tomorrow....

https://open.spotify.com/track/4SsN1B9ZaSOFmBb4wVu1WB?si=44zx4SqYTNm2-XkSZ3vojA&utm_source=copy-link (https://open.spotify.com/track/4SsN1B9ZaSOFmBb4wVu1WB?si=44zx4SqYTNm2-XkSZ3vojA&utm_source=copy-link)

Well it sure sounds like Megadave. Personally I loved Dystopia, and think it is one of their strongest releases, so I believe Dave's still got it in him to release a belter  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on June 23, 2022, 06:27:27 AM
Now that's good Megadeth the outro is magnificent \m/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 23, 2022, 06:40:43 AM
Apparently this is the album closer too. Keen to see if the album that leads up to this is excellent.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on June 23, 2022, 06:42:36 AM
Whoa!

Up tempo, high energy...very cool song. Love it!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 23, 2022, 07:32:57 AM
New song. New video.

https://youtu.be/LkJ5jJuraLQ
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 23, 2022, 07:40:31 AM
Apparently this is the album closer too. Keen to see if the album that leads up to this is excellent.

At the end of the official video it says TO BE CONTINUED…

If it is the closer of the album then the continuation should be in the next album.

I think this one is the opener, and the closer is yet to be release.

EDIT:

I found the album track list

The Sick, The Dying… And The Dead!” track listing:

 1. The Sick, The Dying… And The Dead!
 2. Life In Hell
 3. Night Stalkers (Featuring Ice T)
 4. Dogs Of Chernobyl
 5. Sacrifice
 6. Junkie
 7. Psychopathy
 8. Killing Time
 9. Soldier On!
10. Célebutante
11. Mission To Mars
12. We’ll Be Back
13. Police Truck (DEAD KENNEDYS cover)
14. This Planet’s On Fire (Burn In Hell) (Sammy Hagar cover) Featuring Sammy Hagar)

EDIT 2:

Full details and preorders here: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/news/megadeth-to-release-the-sick-the-dying-and-the-dead-album-in-september/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on June 23, 2022, 08:02:03 AM
Awesome riffs in that song and it's so great to hear Dirk playing something new.  Not really a fan of the lyrics - they seemed a little juvenile, but that was my only complaint.  Can't wait to hear more! 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2022, 08:25:49 AM
Apparently this is the album closer too. Keen to see if the album that leads up to this is excellent.

At the end of the official video it says TO BE CONTINUED…

If it is the closer of the album then the continuation should be in the next album.

The TBC could just be about linking this music video and the next one not necessarily following an order from the album or future music.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 23, 2022, 09:04:29 AM
Apparently this is the album closer too. Keen to see if the album that leads up to this is excellent.

At the end of the official video it says TO BE CONTINUED…

If it is the closer of the album then the continuation should be in the next album.

The TBC could just be about linking this music video and the next one not necessarily following an order from the album or future music.

You are right, what it's sure now is that it's not the album closer at least not in the special edition version  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2022, 09:23:22 AM
Those cover songs look pretty interesting
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Deadeye21 on June 23, 2022, 09:25:16 AM
They’re definitely not in the vinyl versions. And I still count Don’t Turn Yiur Back and The Emperor as the true album closers for the last two since covers should just be bonus tracks imo. Never cared for them ion the first three albums either, even if Anarchy is a classic Megadeth tune now.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: faizoff on June 23, 2022, 09:46:58 AM
That song ending riffs was the best part, up to the 4 min mark it's whatever. It kicks ass after that till the end. I don't know if that was the makeup or how Dave looks like these days but he could play a character from the underworld movies as one of those elders.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lonk on June 23, 2022, 09:59:51 AM
That song ending riffs was the best part, up to the 4 min mark it's whatever. It kicks ass after that till the end. I don't know if that was the makeup or how Dave looks like these days but he could play a character from the underworld movies as one of those elders.

This. Didn't really care for the song but the last minute and a half are pretty good :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on June 23, 2022, 10:58:37 AM
Love the tune. Man, that kicked ass.  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 23, 2022, 11:54:06 AM
Love the tune. Man, that kicked ass.  :metal

Yes!  :metal

It totally rips!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 23, 2022, 12:31:57 PM
That's an awesome song. Fits right there with The Threat is Real. I hope the album is just as good as Dystopia, because that was a nice return to that energetic Megadeth sound of old.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on June 23, 2022, 01:51:54 PM
That's an awesome song. Fits right there with The Threat is Real. I hope the album is just as good as Dystopia, because that was a nice return to that energetic Megadeth sound of old.

Agreed. I am really hoping that it matches or goes above Dystopia as a record. I hope it if does, Megadeth calls it a day after that. Go out in a blaze of glory.

Take Fates Warning - one of my absolute favorite bands. Theories of Flight (for me) was one of their best all around albums. Long Day Goodnight (which I assume is their last), is okay, but not as (to me) good. Wish Fates would have resisted the urge for one more album and just let Theories of Flight be it. Unless, of course, they plan to do more. But it sounds like they are at least done for the foreseeable future.

Anyway, the new Megadeth RIPS.  :metal

*praying for no cheesy ballads like the one that ruined Endgame*
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on June 23, 2022, 01:59:40 PM
In my head, I had moved the new Megadeth album to the "I'll believe it when I hold it in my hands" section. It's so odd that we finally have the release date. I think I will skip the single and wait for the full release.

Unfortunately, I haven't been crazy about a new Megadeth release since The System has failed. Some of the album since were good, but I find most underwhelming. Dystopia didn't actually work for me, so my expectations aren't so high. Still, it's a band that has a special place in my heart, so I'll check out the album once it's out there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on June 23, 2022, 04:52:30 PM
Wow, that song is excellent.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on July 21, 2022, 06:50:25 PM
New song Night Stalkers with Ice T apologies to those whose time zones don't allow for this one yet shouldn't be too long a wait...

Actually like this better than the first single that outro after the strings caught me by surprise :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rl2gPKzZEs
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Deadeye21 on July 21, 2022, 06:59:43 PM
Actually like this better than the first single that outro after the strings caught me by surprise :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rl2gPKzZEs

You like that better? That was a mess!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: faizoff on July 21, 2022, 07:18:57 PM
Interesting song, it's packing a lot of different things in that one track. Might have to listen to it again with the whole album in context.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on July 21, 2022, 11:28:04 PM
Actually like this better than the first single that outro after the strings caught me by surprise :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rl2gPKzZEs

You like that better? That was a mess!

Oh really, a mess?  That's too bad then, I've played it through a few times today already and yeah think it's absolutely killer.  Has an ever so slight nod to Rust but hearing quite a lot of The System Has Failed-era in there too which I very much dig! :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 22, 2022, 10:15:27 AM
Really liking what I've heard from this album so far. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Deathless on July 22, 2022, 10:18:23 AM
Whoever pissed Dave off, please keep it going. Pretty solid singles so far.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on July 22, 2022, 10:31:52 AM
Whoever pissed Dave off, please keep it going. Pretty solid singles so far.

 :metal   Dave always writes the best stuff when he's angry.  I think I like this song better than the first one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on July 22, 2022, 10:35:56 AM
Whoever pissed Dave off, please keep it going. Pretty solid singles so far.

 :metal   Dave always writes the best stuff when he's angry.  I think I like this song better than the first one.

I used to say that Dave writes his best stuff when he's off the wagon, and you can usually tell when the lyrics are pretty "out there."  But as far as I know, he's been "on the wagon" for quite some time now, and this latest stuff is pretty good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Volante99 on July 22, 2022, 03:31:37 PM
"Nightstalker" kicks some ass, but I feel like it would be a better song if it was about 20-30% slower.
In fact... I actually put it through software and I dig it...gives it a certain heaviness.
Overall, though- the fact that Dave is rocking this hard at almost 62 is a triumph Dude is singlehandedly keeping thrash metal

A bit off topic but how awesome would this song be with Marty Friedman? Kiko Loureiro is a phenomenal guitar player- but almost too clinical. I miss the sense of evil, and danger to Friedman's solos, like he's going to fly off the rails at any moment. I get that Marty's "huge in Japan" or whatever, but maybe we can convince some Saudi royal to deliver a briefcase full of cash to Marty to do one more Rust/Countdown Tour with Dave. Call it the "Rust in Extinction" or "Countdown to Peace" Tour. If not for Megadeth's sake, then for Marty's sake. Such a waste of talent; never knew someone so uncomfortable with the "shredder" label. As if doing guest spots for BabyMetal and solo instrumental albums (the elevator muzak of the metal world) is somehow a more noble endeavor. 2021's Toyko Jukebox had some good moments but the dude needs a band.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2022, 04:25:29 PM
New song is solid.  Needs another couple of listens.  I quite liked the Ice T bit.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Realm on July 22, 2022, 05:29:44 PM
Really liking the new Megadeth song, even the Ice-T part is good. Have to say my favourite part though is the short 'bass solo' part with about 1.30 to go, just love the sound of that.

As far as the solos, yeah I do miss Marty and he would be awesome on this track but Kiko does a great job but as Volante99 said probably a little bit too clinical.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2022, 05:33:03 PM
Kiko is doing some insane stuff on these two songs solo wise.  Some really creative phrasing and note choices in his leads and very melodic even though it's shred.  Class guitar player.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on July 22, 2022, 05:43:19 PM
Kiko is doing some insane stuff on these two songs solo wise.  Some really creative phrasing and note choices in his leads and very melodic even though it's shred.  Class guitar player.

The rhythms on Nightstalkers are amazing.  :metal


This album is fucking shaping up big time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: gazinwales on July 22, 2022, 06:08:03 PM
Music is great but I've never been able to get past DM vox  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Volante99 on July 23, 2022, 02:32:48 AM
DM’s no Pavarotti but I think his vocals fit with the music, 100%.

Hard to qualify but he’s got this high pitched, irreverent, almost juvenile-like quality owing more to Johnny Rotten and Bon Scott than Rob Halford or Bruce Dickinson. I understand why people dislike it but it totally works for me.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ErHaO on July 23, 2022, 02:50:45 AM
I can't get into the classic 80's Megadeth albums because his high singing sounds silly/grating to me, alongside me not liking the 80's metal sound production. But on later records I tend to enjoy his vocals, as it fits the music and I often like the melodies. I love Dystopia and look forward to the new record.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on July 26, 2022, 04:31:45 AM
The new single is even better than the first. This is shaping up to be pretty good. Dave really like to name drop different types of weaponry/artillery doesn't he  :rollin he does it in so many songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on July 26, 2022, 06:44:01 AM
DM’s no Pavarotti but I think his vocals fit with the music, 100%.

Hard to qualify but he’s got this high pitched, irreverent, almost juvenile-like quality owing more to Johnny Rotten and Bon Scott than Rob Halford or Bruce Dickinson. I understand why people dislike it but it totally works for me.

I'm sometimes picky about vocals, but I kind of dig his voice too.  And on songs like A Tout Le Monde, it's actually, IMO, GOOD.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on July 26, 2022, 01:59:53 PM
DM’s no Pavarotti but I think his vocals fit with the music, 100%.

Hard to qualify but he’s got this high pitched, irreverent, almost juvenile-like quality owing more to Johnny Rotten and Bon Scott than Rob Halford or Bruce Dickinson. I understand why people dislike it but it totally works for me.

I'm sometimes picky about vocals, but I kind of dig his voice too.  And on songs like A Tout Le Monde, it's actually, IMO, GOOD.

The '07 alternate arrangement is even more vocally listenable with Cristina Scabbia. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on July 27, 2022, 08:36:45 AM
What do you guys think of this?
https://bravewords.com/news/former-megadeth-members-david-ellefson-chris-poland-jeff-young-announce-kings-of-thrash-tour-dates
Playing KIMB and SFSGSW in their entirety.

I generally hate these kinds of things, but this looks kind of interesting. Chaz Leon on vocals? Who the hell is he?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: nick_z on July 27, 2022, 08:54:38 AM
What do you guys think of this?
https://bravewords.com/news/former-megadeth-members-david-ellefson-chris-poland-jeff-young-announce-kings-of-thrash-tour-dates
Playing KIMB and SFSGSW in their entirety.

I generally hate these kinds of things, but this looks kind of interesting. Chaz Leon on vocals? Who the hell is he?

http://sdvoyager.com/interview/meet-chaz-leon-primary-band-woke-dead-tribute-megadeth-projects-coming-soon-mission-valley/

Had no idea either...I guess he sings/plays guitar in a Megadeth tribute band
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on July 27, 2022, 09:16:00 AM
Cool Nick!

Here's a recent show by Woke Up Dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7vvxPEQAH8
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on July 27, 2022, 04:44:30 PM
What do you guys think of this?
https://bravewords.com/news/former-megadeth-members-david-ellefson-chris-poland-jeff-young-announce-kings-of-thrash-tour-dates
Playing KIMB and SFSGSW in their entirety.

I generally hate these kinds of things, but this looks kind of interesting. Chaz Leon on vocals? Who the hell is he?

Yeah, I'm not normally on board with stuff like this but Chris Poland however......
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lowdz on July 27, 2022, 05:07:08 PM
Kiko is doing some insane stuff on these two songs solo wise.  Some really creative phrasing and note choices in his leads and very melodic even though it's shred.  Class guitar player.

He certainly is.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on July 28, 2022, 07:26:12 AM
Wow I really like these first 2 songs. If the whole record is like that, it'll be my favorite since Rust.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: geeeemo on July 28, 2022, 10:44:06 AM
Music is great but I've never been able to get past DM vox  :rollin

I agree about DM vocals. That said, I really dig seeing Megadeth live. Last fall I saw them with Hatebreed, Trivium and LOG. I am not into growly vocals. So..at this particular show I was excited to hear DM sing!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2022, 08:56:34 PM
I have been on a huge Megadeth kick lately. How underrated is Dave Mustaine?

Been watching a lot of shows as well.

Graspop 2022 tonight! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFedMfsTIoc&t=0s
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on August 10, 2022, 10:49:55 PM
Love the first two Megadeth songs off the new record. Thought Dystopia was a good one too.

The only thing live these days, and I get it, is that they've dropped the songs a full step. So the dynamics aren't there. It's kind of like mud. This was before Dave's cancer too, so his voice just isn't there any longer. But on the records, still, good stuff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2022, 11:12:24 PM
Love the first two Megadeth songs off the new record. Thought Dystopia was a good one too.

The only thing live these days, and I get it, is that they've dropped the songs a full step. So the dynamics aren't there. It's kind of like mud. This was before Dave's cancer too, so his voice just isn't there any longer. But on the records, still, good stuff.

Dystopia was all down to D also I think so I guess they are streamlining everything.  I know what you mean though, the old songs sound totally different.  Half step is fine and not as noticeable, but seems a huge change in dynamics another semitone down.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on August 11, 2022, 01:36:14 AM

Dystopia was all down to D also I think so I guess they are streamlining everything.  I know what you mean though, the old songs sound totally different.  Half step is fine and not as noticeable, but seems a huge change in dynamics another semitone down.

Yes. I actually like a lot of stuff from the 80s down a half-step. But that extra step down, and it all goes awry. Tesla has done that with a lot of their songs from the classic records (Edison's Medicine comes to mind) and it just sounds awful.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Realm on August 11, 2022, 03:48:19 PM
Soldier On! Another new song out. I like it. That is 3 good songs, really looking forward to the album.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 11, 2022, 03:56:39 PM
Soldier On! Another new song out. I like it. That is 3 good songs, really looking forward to the album.

I'll have to wait until it's Friday here.






Dystopia was all down to D also I think so I guess they are streamlining everything.  I know what you mean though, the old songs sound totally different.  Half step is fine and not as noticeable, but seems a huge change in dynamics another semitone down.

Huh. Maybe that's why while I think the songs are awesome, the album lacks a little snap to it. It's an album that I should be listening to a lot more than I do, and maybe that's why. The songs are too good for this album to be ignored.


Yes. I actually like a lot of stuff from the 80s down a half-step. But that extra step down, and it all goes awry. Tesla has done that with a lot of their songs from the classic records (Edison's Medicine comes to mind) and it just sounds awful.


Tesla has been absolutely horrid live. They're fat, seems like they can't play, no Troy (yes, that makes a difference). And their new music absolutely fucking blows.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2022, 04:00:12 PM
Soldier On! Another new song out. I like it. That is 3 good songs, really looking forward to the album.

I'll have to wait until it's Friday here.


Guess I'll have to listen for you then.  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2022, 04:07:01 PM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Realm on August 11, 2022, 04:14:55 PM

Dystopia was all down to D also I think so I guess they are streamlining everything.  I know what you mean though, the old songs sound totally different.  Half step is fine and not as noticeable, but seems a huge change in dynamics another semitone down.

Yes. I actually like a lot of stuff from the 80s down a half-step. But that extra step down, and it all goes awry. Tesla has done that with a lot of their songs from the classic records (Edison's Medicine comes to mind) and it just sounds awful.

Yes, I totally agree. More than a half step down really does start to change the feel and dynamic of the song, recent live Bon Jovi is a perfect example (or is that just because of the terrible vocals....)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 11, 2022, 04:16:31 PM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.

I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2022, 04:25:17 PM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.

I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.

System could be a top 3 Megadeth album for me.  The return of Poland was just incredible, so many good songs on that album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 11, 2022, 04:27:02 PM
I don't think I'd have it that high, but I kind of took a break from Megadeth through the Youthanasia/Cryptic Writings years. TSHF blew my face off.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: nick_z on August 11, 2022, 06:43:40 PM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.

I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.

Loved System when it came out - it felt like Mustaine & friends more than a proper band effort, but great performances and (for the most part) very good songs. United Abominations starts great but then peters out...I haven't listened to it in a while, so I might not remember it super-well. Might be time to revisit.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WilliamMunny on August 11, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.

I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.

System could be a top 3 Megadeth album for me.  The return of Poland was just incredible, so many good songs on that album.

I’m so with you—listened to the hell out of that album when it came out and whenever I revisit it I’m pleasantly surprised by how well it holds up.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on August 11, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.

I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.

Loved System when it came out - it felt like Mustaine & friends more than a proper band effort, but great performances and (for the most part) very good songs. United Abominations starts great but then peters out...I haven't listened to it in a while, so I might not remember it super-well. Might be time to revisit.

TSHF was my first full Megadeth album.  I'd heard scattered songs before then, but I hadn't quite yet gotten to digging into their discography at that point.  Vinnie Colaiuta's drumming in particular is intriguing.  He has the precision, but not really the feel for metal, but it's fascinating to hear someone at that level tackle something out of the norm for him.  I remember reading an article at the time and apparently one of the people in the production of the album said there was nothing to fix about his playing, every note was on the money.  Now Poland is the main attraction for me in relistening to it. 

I need to give United Abominations as a whole another go sometime.  I remember it being panned at the time, but remember kind of liking it, but the only tracks I normally revisit are "Never Walk Alone", "Sleepwalker", and "A Toute Le Monde", mainly just for Cristina. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on August 11, 2022, 10:31:03 PM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.

Listening now. Wow I’m really pumped for this album. Three winning tracks so far.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2022, 10:42:39 PM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.

Listening now. Wow I’m really pumped for this album. Three winning tracks so far.

Indeed.  Kiko takes this band to another level.  Even this song his short solo elevates it again.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on August 12, 2022, 04:09:57 AM
Yeah agree with others another solid tune albeit was hoping for the chorus to pop more but still...

Also getting lots of TSHF vibes too!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on August 12, 2022, 07:26:58 AM
And after repeat listens okay NOW I get it ;D

That chorus is slick!

This may now be my favourite of the 3 singles this far :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lonk on August 12, 2022, 07:44:06 AM
This one is more of a straight ahead regular Megadeth song.  It sounds like TSHF/UA era to me.  A mix of the Scorpion, Back in the Day and Kick the Chair maybe.  It's a nice tune, it'll sit nicely in the flow of the album I think.  The chorus is simple but will become quite catchy I think.

I listened to both at work today. An underrated era of the band, one that got then back on track musically.

I don't remember those album much, and I haven't really listened to them much in recent years, but Sleepwalker from UA is a top tier Megadeth track for me  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 02, 2022, 04:23:56 AM
Surprised no mention of this album released today!?

Currently on third spin and absolutely top notch stuff 🤘
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 02, 2022, 04:26:46 AM
I did mention it in the 'What album' thread but yea, I am pleasantly surprised. I was fairly confident after hearing the singles, but it is hitting the spot.

Working through a few other new releases then I'm going to go back to it later  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 02, 2022, 04:58:29 AM
Ahhh sweet I will take a look at comments in that thread too then hitting the spot fer sure Cheers!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2022, 05:04:53 AM
I did mention it in the 'What album' thread but yea, I am pleasantly surprised. I was fairly confident after hearing the singles, but it is hitting the spot.

Working through a few other new releases then I'm going to go back to it later  :metal

Might go out tomorrow and pick up a copy tomorrow.  Good to hear.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on September 02, 2022, 08:07:29 AM
I've heard twice and I'm liking it a lot! The band seems to meshing more naturally in this album and stylistically it does sound something from Countdown/Youthanasia era.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on September 02, 2022, 10:22:36 AM
I've heard twice and I'm liking it a lot! The band seems to meshing more naturally in this album and stylistically it does sound something from Countdown/Youthanasia era.

Yeah, I'm getting a Youthansia vibe for sure, with flashes of the earliest Megadeth stuff too. It's like they want to go the more mid-tempo, but then you get smacked in the face with some Killing is My Business-type riffs, then back again to mid-tempo. I'm about halfway in on my first listen to the record.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zoom E on September 02, 2022, 10:38:03 AM
I was reading the review on AllMusic this morning (a very good review) and was floored when it mentioned that it has been 6 years since Dystopia was released. How time flies!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on September 02, 2022, 11:26:29 AM
I was reading the review on AllMusic this morning (a very good review) and was floored when it mentioned that it has been 6 years since Dystopia was released. How time flies!

I read that review. Six years has passed quickly for sure. But everything that has gone on with Megadeth during that span...wow. A lot for sure.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 02, 2022, 12:34:13 PM
Will definitely be picking up the new album.  To me, the "must-have" albums are the run from Rust through Youthanasia, and including Hidden Treasures, and then a bit farther down the list, Risk (yup!).  I also really liked The System Has Failed and Dystopia.  I like all the other post-Rust albums, and was always glad to have new music, but rarely listen to them.

As for the pre-Rust albums, I have heard them many times through the years, but never really cared for them.  Yes, I realize there are some "classics" in there.  But as a whole, the songwriting, production, etc. is just a bit too "raw" for me.  Never really suited my taste, even when I finally did start getting into thrash at the tail end of the '80s and into the '90s (yeah, I was a bit late). 

As for the new songs, I like them.  I suspect the new album will follow suit with the other fairly recent ones where I'll buy it, enjoy it for a bit, and then forget about it.  And that's fine.  I actually like the heaviness that their current downtuning brings to the newer songs, even though I think it kind of messes up the older songs, as others have mentioned.  But no real desire to see them live.  I saw them once in summer of '95 headlining a festival in Minnesota, and was glad I did--they were fantastic, but I don't really feel a need to see them again. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on September 02, 2022, 02:16:06 PM
I feel almost exactly the same. Not really sure why but I'll spin a new Deth album a couple months and then that's it. I will say though that about every 5 years I will revisit the discography and always enjoy the ride but they don't have a long shelf life and I've never really been able to figure out why. Alter Bridge is the same for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: geeeemo on September 02, 2022, 02:24:50 PM
The singles were Ok for me. I don't Love Megadeth, but I enjoy them. And I really dig their concerts! The first song though, on the new record
is great! Being DT fan, I understand the "the song has got to grow a bit". But I love it when I can smile and head bang on the first listen. :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2022, 03:02:20 PM
Surprised no mention of this album released today!?

Currently on third spin and absolutely top notch stuff 🤘

Well for starters, you posted this at 6:24 am! :lol

Although since I start work at 5am, I already had one listen in! ;D



This album fucking rips. Holy shit. Top echelon Megadeth.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Realm on September 02, 2022, 04:09:01 PM
Really good album, only a couple of listens in so far but will definitely keep spinning this a fair bit over the next week. Can't decide as yet where it sits in the Megadeth catalogue but yes it will be in the top echelon somewhere I'd say.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2022, 07:08:48 PM
I've said this before, but Dave Mustaine is the most underrated musician of his generation.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Realm on September 02, 2022, 07:43:51 PM
No doubt about it. Obviously his vocals can be a bit polarising and at times he has struggled singing great live but his guitar playing and song writing ability have always been top notch to me. He really is a fantastic guitar player and live he rips through many complicated riffs while also singing and makes it look effortless.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 03, 2022, 11:48:28 PM
Will definitely be picking up the new album.  To me, the "must-have" albums are the run from Rust through Youthanasia, and including Hidden Treasures, and then a bit farther down the list, Risk (yup!).  I also really liked The System Has Failed and Dystopia...

If I trade you Risk for The World Needs A Hero then you have just named the very same run and albums that are my own essential Megadeth!  I won't be surprised however if am including the Sick Dying Dead in that list before too long...  ;)

Surprised no mention of this album released today!?

Currently on third spin and absolutely top notch stuff 🤘

Well for starters, you posted this at 6:24 am! :lol

Although since I start work at 5am, I already had one listen in! ;D

This album fucking rips. Holy shit. Top echelon Megadeth.

HA! I probably should've thought of the difference in time-zones when posted that but from where I stood I had already had my time with the record and was eagerly anticipating their next one!  They say you snooze you lose ;D

About my only complaint thus far is the album sounds a little samey through the middle but less so with more spins and getting to know the songs, and besides, the highlights are plenty and well up there! 

Finding myself agreeing with your summary This album fucking rips. Holy shit. Top echelon Megadeth. \m/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2022, 03:40:32 AM
I did not pick this up this weekend.  I could listen online but Megadeth are one of those bands I still feel I need to pick the cd up before hearing the full thing. 

This is a great performance though;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILXKm1hpfQ&list=RD3ILXKm1hpfQ&start_radio=1
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on September 04, 2022, 07:10:37 AM
Listened last night and was floored by how great it was. Spectacular album for this stage of their career. It rivals anything they've done. Yes, it's that good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 04, 2022, 08:46:36 AM
I did not pick this up this weekend.  I could listen online but Megadeth are one of those bands I still feel I need to pick the cd up before hearing the full thing. 

This is a great performance though;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ILXKm1hpfQ&list=RD3ILXKm1hpfQ&start_radio=1

Target has a Lenticular version of the CD, you can reserve yours through a link Megadeth shared on their FB page.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2022, 09:51:59 AM
What on earth is Lenticular?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on September 04, 2022, 06:54:19 PM
What on earth is Lenticular?
Are you familiar with the CD covers for KISS' Psycho Circus or Tool's Aenima were you move it back and forth and it kinda changes with the motion?  That's lenticular.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2022, 06:57:13 PM
What on earth is Lenticular?
Are you familiar with the CD covers for KISS' Psycho Circus or Tool's Aenima were you move it back and forth and it kinda changes with the motion?  That's lenticular.

Oh, ok. When I was a kid, we used to get cards in boxes of yodels that did that, like a prism was ne of them, or maybe the Northern Lights. I didn't know what was the term.

I wonder if I take my actual CD of Psycho Circus and if I move it back and forth, maybe it'll become good.  ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on September 04, 2022, 08:30:37 PM
What on earth is Lenticular?
Are you familiar with the CD covers for KISS' Psycho Circus or Tool's Aenima were you move it back and forth and it kinda changes with the motion?  That's lenticular.

Oh, ok. When I was a kid, we used to get cards in boxes of yodels that did that, like a prism was ne of them, or maybe the Northern Lights. I didn't know what was the term.

I wonder if I take my actual CD of Psycho Circus and if I move it back and forth, maybe it'll become good.  ;D
Haha!  Give it a shot.  Let me know if it works.  My copy isn't good, either.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 05, 2022, 08:41:16 AM
Gave it a listen on spotify and ... I thought it was very mediocre. All you guys saying how great it is had me hyped, but when hearing it, I thought it was middle of the road Megadeth. Not realy good, not really bad. And I don't like the drumming style, at all.

Hopefully it will grow on me.

And what is Sammy doing there?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 05, 2022, 09:57:33 AM
Will definitely be picking up the new album.  To me, the "must-have" albums are the run from Rust through Youthanasia, and including Hidden Treasures, and then a bit farther down the list, Risk (yup!).  I also really liked The System Has Failed and Dystopia...

If I trade you Risk for The World Needs A Hero then you have just named the very same run and albums that are my own essential Megadeth!  I won't be surprised however if am including the Sick Dying Dead in that list before too long...  ;)

I love the individual performances on that album--especially Jimmy's drumming.  He was one of my favorite drummers before joining Megadeth, and his performance on that album boosted him even higher in my standings.  That album is a drumming clinic.  And given who preceded him in Megadeth in the drummer's seat, that's no small compliment.  But as much as I like the individual performances and a few songs here and there, I felt like the songwriting on that album was very hit and miss for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on September 05, 2022, 09:58:46 AM
Mission To Mars, the title track, Dogs of Chernobyl, and Celebutante are my favorites so far with Mission being one of the most interesting songs they've released in awhile. This version of Megadeth with Kiko/Dirk reminds me of the Neal Morse Band, where the addition of Eric/Bill rejuvenated Neal a bit.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: nobloodyname on September 06, 2022, 01:18:43 AM
Gave it a listen on spotify and ... I thought it was very mediocre.

Yeah, no kidding.

To quote emtee: "Listened last night and was floored by how great it was. Spectacular album for this stage of their career. It rivals anything they've done. Yes, it's that good." I mean, what?! I love the fact we can all have such divergent opinions, though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 06, 2022, 03:04:24 AM
Gave it a listen on spotify and ... I thought it was very mediocre.

Yeah, no kidding.

To quote emtee: "Listened last night and was floored by how great it was. Spectacular album for this stage of their career. It rivals anything they've done. Yes, it's that good." I mean, what?! I love the fact we can all have such divergent opinions, though.

It took a few spins and it was away from Spotify and with CD in hand (that killer coverart and booklet help I might add), but while I maintain the middle section with Sacrifice and Junkie is still a little samey, the highlights won me over and by third spin that middle section wasn't so, well, middle anymore  ;D

My current Sick Dying Dead rankings (minus the bonus tracks and Psychopathy which serves as a cool intro to Killing Time) go like this, from fave to least and always subject to change...


The Sick The Dying The Dead
Soldier On
Night Stalkers
We'll Be Back
Killing Time
Mission To Mars
Celebutante
Life In Hell
Dogs of Chernobyl
Sacrifice
Junkie
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on September 06, 2022, 03:33:26 AM
Interestingly enough, those tracks at the bottom of your list are the ones that stood out to me on my first couple of listens. I am enjoying the album more than I thought I would, but it still takes some more spins.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 06, 2022, 03:42:20 AM
It took a few spins ...

I hope that that will be the case because I like everything they put out since The System Has Failed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on September 06, 2022, 07:58:44 AM
This is a really ripping album - it's awesome to see that Dave still has a lot of fire left in him.   :metal   I like that Dirk has a few writing credits and Kiko has a ton.  Those guys deserve it.

Eddie Trunk recently did a big interview with the band and Dave was really honest when it came to how they choose a setlist when someone asked why In My Darkest Hour wasn't played much anymore.  He said that there's certain songs like Tornado of Souls, which he feels they have to play, but at the same time, the reality is that he picks a set based on whether or not he can perform the vocals.  I liked that he was comfortable enough admitting that there are some songs that he can't sing well anymore, which is why they don't get played.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on September 06, 2022, 08:15:13 AM
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.

I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 06, 2022, 10:25:21 PM
Junior is finally taking the gloves off and being honest about his relationship with Mustaine. I don't much care for Mustaine the person due to his history of being, well, him. Ellefson has always been Mister Nice Guy so to actually hear him talk about how things were, I tend to trust his side more than Mustaine.

This is quite an interesting read.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/david-ellefson-says-he-was-in-an-abusive-working-relationship-with-dave-mustaine-i-feel-like-i-got-kicked-out-of-hell
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 06, 2022, 11:29:45 PM
What frustrates me about Mustaine is how he wanted to do more with the Big 4 at the time Slayer was still active, but you still see recent articles out there of him seeming to still be very resentful of what Metallica did to him in their early days.  Metallica doesn't need to throw him a bone and they can go on their lives how they want to with or without Mustaine being pissy at them.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dave_mustaine_says_hed_like_to_do_a_little_bit_more_with_the_big_4_explains_why_winning_a_grammy_feels_odd.html

Also, while I have the topic of people wanting more Big 4 shows in my head, there's something that people really need to note about the idea of those shows.  Those shows are always going to be headlined by Metallica no matter what, and the other three bands was going to get the additional benefit of playing in front of Metallica's bigger audiences in stadiums or festivals.  I think there are certain metal fans wanting the one of the other 3 bands headlining over Metallica for fairness, but they would not have the pull like Metallica has at drawing a stadium audience.  You could replace those bands with younger bands like Ghost, A7X, Volbeat, Gojira, Mastodon, etc. in the opening bill with Metallica headlining and it will still sell the same amount of attendance in festivals or stadiums and honestly, I would like those kinds of bills over the Big 4 shows since I don't have much of a fondness for any of the non-Metallica big four bands other than maybe Anthrax.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on September 07, 2022, 08:22:09 AM

This is quite an interesting read.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/david-ellefson-says-he-was-in-an-abusive-working-relationship-with-dave-mustaine-i-feel-like-i-got-kicked-out-of-hell

Good read. But remember, Ellefson has a career to sell. he has joined forces with Jeff Young and they are going out and playing Megadeth songs. You also don't use the word "abusive" without angling for a lawsuit. At the end of the day, Ellefson may be right that Dave was a control freak (it's also why Mustaine has made a point to tell everyone how this latest Megadeth record was a collaborative record to thwart what Jr. is saying publicly). But Ellefson got kicked to the curb for a legitimate reason. If I was a business owner like Mustaine, and I saw an employee allegedly getting involved with an underage girl, I'd punt his ass to the curb too. So there are multiple sides to this. I don't believe either of them. I think they are both laying the public ground work for a lawsuit and legal defense.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 07, 2022, 08:47:13 AM
But remember, Ellefson has a career to sell.

True.  ...but who's buying?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 07, 2022, 08:51:24 AM
But remember, Ellefson has a career to sell.

True.  ...but who's buying?

Wow Bosk.

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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on September 07, 2022, 09:21:54 AM
bosk for the win! Glad you picked up on that and crushed the softball 500' into the night!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 07, 2022, 10:23:30 AM
It's like a soft pass to Steph Curry for a wide-open unguarded 3.  All that was left was to take the shot. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 08, 2022, 07:53:31 PM
I've been listening to Megadeth for over 35 years and the new album is......outstanding. I am blown away.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 09, 2022, 12:02:55 AM
I've been listening to Megadeth for over 35 years and the new album is......outstanding. I am blown away.

I'll make it a priority for my lazy ass to go out and buy it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on September 09, 2022, 02:07:43 AM
I'll chuck a quick ranking out there after 3 listens...

We'll Be Back
Night Stalkers
Célebutante
The Sick, The Dying... and The Dead!
Police Truck
Soldier On!
This Planets on Fire (Burn in Hell)
Life in Hell
Mission to Mars
Killing Time
Dogs of Chernobyl
Psychopathy
Junkie
Sacrifice

Not sure if everyone is the same, but I really love the covers at the end.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: krands85 on September 09, 2022, 05:53:23 AM
So far it hasn't grabbed me like Dystopia or Endgame, but it's decent enough.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ErHaO on September 09, 2022, 06:39:21 AM
It is on equal footing with Dystopia for me (which I really, really love). Dystopia has better vocal lines, Sick and Dying has better instrumentals. Both fantastic albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on September 09, 2022, 07:46:55 AM
I usually don't like saying things like this, but this is the best Megadeth album since The System has failed. Over the last fifteen years, whenever a new Megadeth album came out, I thought it was fine but I hardly returned to it. Some of them were really average. This one grabs me, however. The thrashier moments are fun and powerful, the melodic parts are subtle and not generic at all. It really works. My favorite songs are Dogs of Chernobyl, Sacrifice, Mission to Mars and the title track.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2022, 02:28:29 PM
I'll chuck a quick ranking out there after 3 listens...

We'll Be Back
Night Stalkers
Célebutante
The Sick, The Dying... and The Dead!
Police Truck
Soldier On!
This Planets on Fire (Burn in Hell)
Life in Hell
Mission to Mars
Killing Time
Dogs of Chernobyl
Psychopathy
Junkie
Sacrifice

Not sure if everyone is the same, but I really love the covers at the end.

Not sure I could do a full ranking, by my early fave is Life In Hell. It has a great F&J vibe. I love when the tempo changes during the spoken word part.

I also love Dogs Of Chernobyl.




Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: PixelDream on September 10, 2022, 12:58:25 PM
The new one’s alright in my book. Not blown away yet. But it did remind me to dig out my original copies of Rust in Peace and Countdown to Extinction. Not those horrible remixed versions - the original Rust in Peace isn’t even on Spotify anymore.

The System Is Failed is awesome as well, been digging that one a lot too. Great feeling to get back into Megadeth, I almost forgot about them the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2022, 08:41:25 PM
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….




:icy:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: NoFred on September 11, 2022, 08:45:40 AM
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….


:icy:

  :omg: :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on September 11, 2022, 01:18:42 PM
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.

I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.

I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2022, 01:22:07 PM
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.

I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.

I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.

Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 11, 2022, 01:22:21 PM
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….




:icy:

That’s one of the best worst jokes I’ve ever heard.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2022, 02:50:10 PM
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….
:icy:

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Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2022, 04:24:46 PM
Somebody told me today that Dave wants to be Metallica so badly that he even threw his own bass player under the bus….




:icy:

Jesus, that's pretty fucked up man lol.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 11, 2022, 05:13:33 PM
I like it.  Can't say more than that after one listen on a bad CD player.  But optimistic.  It is at least as good as most of their other last few albums, which means I will enjoy it for a few months, spin it a decent amount during that time, and then probably forget about it.  But that's fine.  I'm not expecting to be completely blown away by them anymore.  And if this one does end up rising above that, so much the better. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 12, 2022, 06:54:07 AM
I need to listen to it more, but on my first two listens, I think it's more dynamic and sonically better than Dystopia.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 12, 2022, 08:54:44 AM
I think this is the most consistent Megadeth in absolute eons and as far as highlights go only Dystopia comes close but The Sick Dying Dead now takes the lead ;D

Very happy fan here \m/

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on September 12, 2022, 02:29:07 PM
Definitely a very strong album! I think The Sick... (what a cool opener, without being that heavy), Night Stalkers, Dogs of Chernobyl, Sacrifice, Célebutante and I'll Be Back are all amazing. The covers are great and the rest of the album is very good. I think the only songs that are a bit below, but not bad, are Junkie and Killing Time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2022, 05:16:21 PM
Finally got a copy of this and holy shit, this fucker rips!!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2022, 05:21:39 PM
I'm disappointed they are only playing the single from the new album on their tour right now.  Seeing them on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 12, 2022, 05:26:41 PM
Finally got a copy of this and holy shit, this fucker rips!!

 :metal :metal



I'm disappointed they are only playing the single from the new album on their tour right now.  Seeing them on Wednesday.

I don't love the setlist at all for this tour.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2022, 05:32:23 PM
Their setlists for the longest time have been safe, generic and quite frankly, boring.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on September 12, 2022, 05:38:26 PM
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.

I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.

I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.

Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.

Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 12, 2022, 05:40:22 PM
Kade, speaking of Flotsam....Life In Hell has a total Flotsam vibe to it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Kade, speaking of Flotsam....Life In Hell has a total Flotsam vibe to it.

I thought of your comment when I first heard it as it stuck with me, and yeah, I can hear that.  Great song.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2022, 06:02:26 PM
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.

I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.

I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.

Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.

Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame

Big call. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 12, 2022, 06:24:12 PM
Definitely a very strong album! I think The Sick... (what a cool opener, without being that heavy), Night Stalkers, Dogs of Chernobyl, Sacrifice, Célebutante and I'll Be Back are all amazing. The covers are great and the rest of the album is very good. I think the only songs that are a bit below, but not bad, are Junkie and Killing Time.

I thought so too but someone maybe here not sure suggested Killing Time had a Youthanasia vibe to it and I thought 'It does?'  So played it a few times over and it sure does have some of that about it, now love it the chorus is fantastic :metal

I'm disappointed they are only playing the single from the new album on their tour right now.  Seeing them on Wednesday.

That would be disappointing there's a swag of worthy songs here they could be promoting this album with...

Finally got a copy of this and holy shit, this fucker rips!!

 :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2022, 06:51:52 PM
Jeez, I liked Nightstalkers when it came out but fuck this song is a monster in the album.  Wow!  Even the Ice T bit is fucking badass!

Kiko is fucking incredible too.  He owns this album.  So much creative and interesting lead playing going on.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 12, 2022, 07:32:35 PM
Yeah it's strange isn't it but as simple as that Ice T piece is, it's effective and every time it's over I wish it were longer \m/

My daughter must agree too she had no idea who Ice was until I gave her some history and once the song was over she thought it was awesome and wanted to know more about this, in her words, Bubble Tea fella!?

A fraudulent slip on her part no doubt  :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2022, 07:49:00 PM
Yeah it's strange isn't it but as simple as that Ice T piece is, it's effective and every time it's over I wish it were longer \m/

My daughter must agree too she had no idea who Ice was until I gave her some history and once the song was over she thought it was awesome and wanted to know more about this, in her words, Bubble Tea fella!?

A fraudulent slip on her part no doubt  :rollin

That's a much more badass name if you ask me.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2022, 12:01:01 AM
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.

I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.

I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.

Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.

Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame

Can't say I agree with this literally, but I am in agreement with the general spirit of them being criminally underrated, overlooked, and comparatively unknown, and it sucks because they have put out some great music.  For me personally, my Big Four of thrash would be Metallica, Megadeth, Flotsam, and Testament. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2022, 12:03:59 AM
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.

I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.

I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.

Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.

Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame

Can't say I agree with this literally, but I am in agreement with the general spirit of them being criminally underrated, overlooked, and comparatively unknown, and it sucks because they have put out some great music.  For me personally, my Big Four of thrash would be Metallica, Megadeth, Flotsam, and Testament.

That's damn solid.  I'm fine with Anthrax getting cut for either Flotsam or Testament.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on September 13, 2022, 01:01:32 AM
As long as Nuclear Assault makes the “elite 8” I’m good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2022, 11:59:25 PM
Grapp - good to hear Dave say that.

I love this new album. Really great record from to top to bottom.

I've spun it 3 times now and stand by my early assessment. Great from beginning to end - especially on headphones - with no parts or songs that I feel like fast forwarding or skipping. This continues a trend for me of bands very late in their career putting out excellent albums. Kansas, DT, Metallica, Deth, Maiden, Priest, just to name a few.

Flotsam & Jetsam, Armored Saint, Saxon, Accept, Testament as well.

Flotsam obliterates every single Megadeth album and most people have no idea who they are. Such a shame

Can't say I agree with this literally, but I am in agreement with the general spirit of them being criminally underrated, overlooked, and comparatively unknown, and it sucks because they have put out some great music.  For me personally, my Big Four of thrash would be Metallica, Megadeth, Flotsam, and Testament.

That's damn solid.  I'm fine with Anthrax getting cut for either Flotsam or Testament.

Made a long post this morning that somehow didn't post, so I'll try to duplicate it.  Anyway, for me, those are pretty much the only thrash bands I never got into much.  If I had to make a thrash big four desert island list, it would look something like this:
-Metallica:  This is hard, but I think I'd have to go with Ride the Lightning.  Puppets might be feel like the "best," most solid album to me.  But Ride is one that I can reach for and enjoy from start to finish more often.  It's been a favorite of mine for a long, long time.  The black album is really close and really enjoyable to me as well.  But Ride is probably my favorite.
-Megadeth:  I'm in kind of a similar dilemma with them.  Rust is probably the one I can get the most enjoyment out of from start to finish more frequently.  I probably ultimately think Countdown and Youthanasia might be better albums overall, but I'll probably choose Rust if I have to go with just one.
-Flotsam:  TAC is going to be triggered by this, but my choice for them is Drift, hands down, and it's not even close.  Love this album.
-Testament:  This is an interesting band for me.  I like them as a band, and I like some individual songs a lot.  But I don't care for many entire albums of theirs as a whole, with a few exceptions.  The main one is The Ritual.  That's my easy choice.

And that being said, my "big four" are basically the only thrash I need.  Anthrax has a few songs I enjoy.  And while I can't remember specifics, the few Death Angel songs I heard a long time ago were pretty good. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 14, 2022, 05:53:11 AM
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs?  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 14, 2022, 05:54:51 AM
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs?  :metal

Of hell yes :metal :metal. Life Is Hell and Dogs are my two favorite tracks.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 14, 2022, 05:58:27 AM
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs?  :metal

Of hell yes :metal :metal. Life Is Hell and Dogs are my two favorite tracks.

Yeah, Dogs is climbing.  I think Nightstalkers is my fav currently.

Dave sounds fucking great on this album too.  Knows his limitations but sounds excellent.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on September 14, 2022, 06:26:48 AM
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs?  :metal
I love that brutal ending as much as the catchy chorus, which I like as much as the touching into. It's a rollercoaster of a song. Probably the best Megadeth track in years.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 14, 2022, 08:46:08 AM
Really good stuff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 14, 2022, 08:59:46 PM
How badass is that last 2 minutes of Dogs?  :metal

Of hell yes :metal :metal. Life Is Hell and Dogs are my two favorite tracks.

Yeah, Dogs is climbing.  I think Nightstalkers is my fav currently.

Dave sounds fucking great on this album too.  Knows his limitations but sounds excellent.

Great interview Blabbermouth just reposted in which is aptly titled Mustaine's quote 'I wasn't born to sing'  ;D during which he talks about a ton of guitar stuff then after 15min mark talks of reaching out to Tom Keifer and his vocals before and after treatment etc.  An incredibly candid and humble Mustaine makes for an excellent interview\m/

https://blabbermouth.net/news/megadeths-dave-mustaine-i-wasnt-born-to-sing
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 14, 2022, 09:34:38 PM
Nice will check later.

Thus album is fantastic.  Not sure about Mission to Mars, but the ending makes it pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 14, 2022, 11:22:53 PM
Mission to Mars is questionable but it's the (tongue in cheek?) lyrics no doubt, the music is excellent riffs too compelling not to dig it regardless \m/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on September 15, 2022, 06:02:56 AM
-Flotsam:  TAC is going to be triggered by this, but my choice for them is Drift, hands down, and it's not even close.  Love this album.
-Testament:  This is an interesting band for me.  I like them as a band, and I like some individual songs a lot.  But I don't care for many entire albums of theirs as a whole, with a few exceptions.  The main one is The Ritual.  That's my easy choice.
Drift is a great album!  Less polished-sounding and more aggressive than Cuatro.

As far as Testament goes, for me, I know it's not the original line-up, but I love Low.  I don't think there's any filler on this album at all.  And, it's much heavier than The Ritual.

The only other band I'd include in this discussion that I haven't seen mentioned (unless I missed it) is Overkill.  I know some people don't like Blitz's vocals.  But, no matter who's in the band at the time, you know it's Overkill.  Kinda like the AC/DC of thrash.   ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2022, 08:25:30 AM
Saw Megadeth last night.  They sounded VERY good.  Honestly made Five Finger Death Punch (who headlined) sound poor to me.

As mentioned earlier, they only played one song from the new album, but before the last song, Dave did mention they may have to change things up and end the set with a new song, but not tonight. So seems like they will play more new stuff, which makes sense, just not sure why they aren't right now.  Oh well.  Other than only being a 10 song set and not headlining, I thought they were pretty good and maybe this was my favorite of the 3 times I've seen them.

Megadeth - We'll Be Back LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/14/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYNSzN2Qbzg)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2022, 08:34:55 AM
Saw Megadeth last night.  They sounded VERY good.  Honestly made Five Finger Death Punch (who headlined) sound poor to me.

As mentioned earlier, they only played one song from the new album, but before the last song, Dave did mention they may have to change things up and end the set with a new song, but not tonight. So seems like they will play more new stuff, which makes sense, just not sure why they aren't right now.  Oh well.  Other than only being a 10 song set and not headlining, I thought they were pretty good and maybe this was my favorite of the 3 times I've seen them.

Megadeth - We'll Be Back LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/14/2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYNSzN2Qbzg)

That baffles me that FFDP headlines over Megadeth. I guess I'm not in tune with the music industry like I used to be.  From about 1975 to about 1990, you give me a band name and I could probably tell you what tours they headlined and what tours they opened.  Now, I feel like a coin flip would do a better job than me.  :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2022, 08:44:04 AM
It baffles me too, but I wonder if part of the reason is it's just easier for Dave.  Last summer as part of a 4 band tour package, they headlined but also only played 10 songs.  Five Finger Death Punch also in a 4 band tour played a full 90 minute headline set while Megadeth did their 10 songs in 50 minutes.  It could be as simple as that in the end.  FFDP do have some big hit songs though (apparently by streaming counts, I'm not a big radio rock guy so I wasn't familiar with their hits)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on September 15, 2022, 09:08:05 AM
I have a feeling that Dave nowadays likes to go out in front of another band's large crowd and just do ten to twelve songs as an opening act. He's got nothing left to prove.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on September 15, 2022, 09:14:41 AM
Interesting.  I guess they're in a good space nowadays where they can do those tours, likely get paid enough to make them worthwhile, and have the pull that, even as an opener, they get to have their own huge stage setup.  I wonder if, in future years, we may see DT in a similar situation where they go from the longer headlining sets, to shorter headlining sets, to more shorter opening sets where they are almost "co-headlining" status, but don't close the show and aren't on as long.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on September 15, 2022, 09:19:32 AM
I have a feeling that Dave nowadays likes to go out in front of another band's large crowd and just do ten to twelve songs as an opening act. He's got nothing left to prove.

I agree with this - he's had no problem opening for other bands and just playing an hour set.  Honestly, when they opened for Heaven & Hell in 2007, they played one of the most furious, smoking Megadeth sets I've ever seen.  9 songs, no talking in between, just one song into another and into another.  Nearly half of the set was from Rust in Peace, and that was a few years before they went on to play that record in full.

Sleepwalker
Take No Prisoners
Kick the Chair
Wake Up Dead
Hangar 18
Washington Is Next!
Symphony of Destruction
Tornado of Souls
Peace Sells
Encore:
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due

they only played one song from the new album, but before the last song, Dave did mention they may have to change things up and end the set with a new song, but not tonight. So seems like they will play more new stuff, which makes sense, just not sure why they aren't right now.  Oh well. 

They did that on the Dystopia tour as well.  Started the tour playing only one new song and eventually worked 3 or 4 into the set.  Maybe they'll play more new stuff when they headline shows. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on September 15, 2022, 09:55:04 AM
I pulled the trigger on a physical CD. Over the last 3 years I've really slowed down - almost stopped- buying physical music. But when something comes along that I really love, I want it in my collection.

This could honestly contend for AOY. Really loving it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2022, 10:19:52 AM
I like Dave as a character (though I don't agree with everything he does), though not all Megadeth really connects with me.  I will say, though, that I see a gig in my future, since I want to hear him play A Tout le Monde.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on September 15, 2022, 03:46:37 PM
That baffles me that FFDP headlines over Megadeth. I guess I'm not in tune with the music industry like I used to be.  From about 1975 to about 1990, you give me a band name and I could probably tell you what tours they headlined and what tours they opened.  Now, I feel like a coin flip would do a better job than me.  :)
Isn't this the first bunch of shows Megadeth has done since Dave's cancer treatment?  It makes sense for them to kinda ease into playing live again.  And, to play in front of one of the more popular newer bands makes even more sense.  Maybe get out in front of an audience that wouldn't normally hear Dave.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2022, 03:48:43 PM
I pulled the trigger on a physical CD. Over the last 3 years I've really slowed down - almost stopped- buying physical music. But when something comes along that I really love, I want it in my collection.

This could honestly contend for AOY. Really loving it.

Wonderful album indeed.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zoom E on September 16, 2022, 09:15:28 PM
I picked up a copy of the CD today. On Spotify the bonus tracks are Police Truck and This Planet’s On Fire. On the CD the bonus tracks are listed as This Planet's on Fire and Dystopia(live), but when I listened to the CD the second bonus track turned out to be The Conjuring (liveJ.   :huh:
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 16, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
I picked up a copy of the CD today. On Spotify the bonus tracks are Police Truck and This Planet’s On Fire. On the CD the bonus tracks are listed as This Planet's on Fire and Dystopia(live), but when I listened to the CD the second bonus track turned out to be The Conjuring (liveJ.   :huh:

It's a misprint.  Mine is the same.  It's supposed to be The Conjuring.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zoom E on September 16, 2022, 11:46:08 PM
I picked up a copy of the CD today. On Spotify the bonus tracks are Police Truck and This Planet’s On Fire. On the CD the bonus tracks are listed as This Planet's on Fire and Dystopia(live), but when I listened to the CD the second bonus track turned out to be The Conjuring (liveJ.   :huh:

It's a misprint.  Mine is the same.  It's supposed to be The Conjuring.

I wonder why it differs from the Spotify version?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on September 17, 2022, 02:46:23 AM
My bonus tracks are The Police Truck and This Planets On Fire featuring Sammy Hagar. Both of them are really enjoyable. Usually I am indifferent to bonus tracks that are covers but these are worth listening to.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 21, 2022, 02:54:38 PM
Finally got around to this and my first impression was this is The Sick, The Dying...And The Boring.

I don't know, just did not feel it. Especially after hearing the new Blind Guardian and Machine Head. I turned it off when Dave started singing 'I wanna, I wanna be an astronaut'. I flipped back to Machine Head.

Maybe it'll be a grower, but I was bored.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 21, 2022, 03:05:24 PM
I cannot get into Machine Head. At all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2022, 03:10:18 PM
I love the album, but Mission to Mars is a cringeworthy track IMO.  Not sure what they were thinking there.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: nick_z on September 21, 2022, 03:16:08 PM
Burn My Eyes is fantastic, and an absolute classic for the 90s - a perfect combo of groove and thrash. Tim: Are you familiar with it?

Nothing else they've done is as good (imo, of course). I actually didn't hate their two "nu-metal" records (Burning Red and Supercharger) - I mean, they were blatantly opportunistic, but sort of enjoyable nonetheless.

Then they made a bunch of very good records...but even The Blackening, which is generally regarded as a modern metal masterpiece, I like but don't quite love. Haven't heard Catharsis, and I still have to check out their latest one (which I plan to do soon...)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on September 21, 2022, 03:21:31 PM
Count me among those who really don't see the appeal of Machine Head. I saw them open for Metallica on the Death Magnetic Tour. They bored me. Volbeat was actually the best band on the bill that day...

I bought Burn My Eyes. it's okay. I like it. I don't get the love for The Blackening either. I just think Machine Head is destined to be a band that I just can't appreciate.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2022, 03:21:38 PM
Don't check Catharsis.  The latest one is excellent and Bloodstone and Diamonds I quite enjoyed too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on September 21, 2022, 03:30:36 PM
Listening now on headphones as we speak. Still loving it. Killer riffs and drumming.

Agreed on Machine Head. Not my cuppa at all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on September 23, 2022, 12:20:40 AM
I'm not really a fan of Megadeth - I don't say this as a negative, I mean that I haven't really taken the time to get into them. But I am planning on starting from the first album and moving my way through their discography (I'm currently doing this with Anthrax and Slayer and having a lot of fun) but I couldn't resist listening to the new Megadeth album, because it was also a new release so I could add another 2022 to my long list.

Did go into it with fairly lukewarm expectations mostly because I've heard Mustaine isn't what he once was and in general it's rare for these legacy bands to put out a really stellar album this late into their career. I will say after a few listens that I'm in that 6/10 area rating wise. It's not bad but it's not really standing out too much either. What surprised me the most was listening to it on Spotify and thinking "this last song is the best one by a wide margin" and it turns out it's a Sammy Hagar cover. Great song though.

But yeah I will definitely start somewhere in the future with the first Megadeth album and move my way through their discography (1 album every week or so). I am definitely excited to hear an album like Rust in Peace which feels like 'need to listen to' level. :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 23, 2022, 04:19:53 AM
Zander’s, you should post your thoughts in the thread as you move through their albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2022, 01:21:36 AM
So this week I dove into their discography with the debut after only being familiar with the latest one (The Sick, the Dying and the Dead - which I gave 6/10).

Killing is My Business... and Business is Good! (1985)

Before even talking about this album in specific I guess I should mention that I've been widening my Thrash Metal knowledge recently. Was always a huge Metallica fan but my experience with the other 3 was definitely a lot lower, Anthrax for example I hadn't heard at all before a month ago. I notice a pattern across all the debut albums from these bands. There's signs of greatness to come and many good ideas but I would say all four debut albums - to varying degrees suffer a bit from 'imagination is bigger than the budget' and they all sound a bit like bands trying to find their footing. Kill Em All possibly has the highest legacy/reputation out of these, I would say the Anthrax debut (Fistful of Metal) definitely is a lot weaker than the next 4 albums and the Slayer debut (Show No Mercy) while good also doesn't reach the level of the next 4 albums that came after it. How does Megadeth fare in this? I would say one of the better debuts, possibly second for me out of these 4.

If we start with the positives I really like the energy and I know Mustaine formed Megadeth with the intention of being 'faster and more technical' than Metallica and you really get this vibe here. Whether it's the title track or Rattlehead - there's some great riffage on here. The opening track that starts off kinda calm also has an ambitious feel to it. I guess I should also mention Mechanix or Four Horsemen 2.0 or 0.0 (I guess technically the Metallica version is an expanded song upon this idea and even though this came afterwards this is more of the original Mustaine wrote). Good song though it is confusing to hear what is essentially an alternative take on a song I've been familiar with for decades. If we go to the negatives I think the album maybe lacks a cohesive feel to it and the 30 minute runtime combined with featuring a cover (These Boots) and the 'demo' of Four Horsemen (I don't mean this as a negative) makes it almost feel more like an EP with some bonus tracks than a full album. I also feel the production/sound of the album possibly lowers it a bit in my eyes (or ears).

Overall though I would say this is maybe a 7/10 for me after 5 listens. Maybe time and perspective will change that but I'll move onto Peace Sells... but Who's Buying? next week and I can post my thoughts in the weekend. :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on October 01, 2022, 06:28:52 AM
When I listen to the Big 4 debut albums, you're right in that KEA sounds way more accomplished overall than the other ones. I also agree that KIMB feels more like an EP and doesn't quite do it for me like their next few albums do (though I find Peace Sells massively overrated and SFSGSW massively underappreciated). I love the cover of These Boots and there's cool moments in every single track but overall, the production and emphasis on speed makes it one I don't want to listen to all that much. I know they did a remix/remaster at some point and I wonder if it's a huge difference as I have the original 1985 version. The verse riff of the title track is one of my favorite Mustaine riffs and Rattlehead always felt like a Whiplash ripoff. Looking Down the Cross is pretty interesting and Mechanix is a goddamn joke that was improved massively by Metallica.

Excited to hear your thoughts on the rest of their stuff.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 01, 2022, 07:13:36 AM
When I listen to the Big 4 debut albums, you're right in that KEA sounds way more accomplished overall than the other ones. I also agree that KIMB feels more like an EP and doesn't quite do it for me like their next few albums do (though I find Peace Sells massively overrated and SFSGSW massively underappreciated). I love the cover of These Boots and there's cool moments in every single track but overall, the production and emphasis on speed makes it one I don't want to listen to all that much. I know they did a remix/remaster at some point and I wonder if it's a huge difference as I have the original 1985 version. The verse riff of the title track is one of my favorite Mustaine riffs and Rattlehead always felt like a Whiplash ripoff. Looking Down the Cross is pretty interesting and Mechanix is a goddamn joke that was improved massively by Metallica.


Good stuff DTA. SFSGSW is easily my favorite Megadeth album so I'm with you on that totally.

These Boots was re-recorded for the Dudes Soundtrack, and is far more polished and a lot better. That's the version they were playing on the SFSGSW tour.







Before even talking about this album in specific I guess I should mention that I've been widening my Thrash Metal knowledge recently. Was always a huge Metallica fan but my experience with the other 3 was definitely a lot lower, Anthrax for example I hadn't heard at all before a month ago. I notice a pattern across all the debut albums from these bands. There's signs of greatness to come and many good ideas but I would say all four debut albums - to varying degrees suffer a bit from 'imagination is bigger than the budget' and they all sound a bit like bands trying to find their footing. Kill Em All possibly has the highest legacy/reputation out of these, I would say the Anthrax debut (Fistful of Metal) definitely is a lot weaker than the next 4 albums and the Slayer debut (Show No Mercy) while good also doesn't reach the level of the next 4 albums that came after it. How does Megadeth fare in this? I would say one of the better debuts, possibly second for me out of these 4.

I love Show No Mercy. It's more straight ahead than Hell Awaits and Reign In Blood.

Kill 'Em All is a Top 10 album for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on October 01, 2022, 07:26:26 AM

Good stuff DTA. SFSGSW is easily my favorite Megadeth album so I'm with you on that totally.

These Boots was re-recorded for the Dudes Soundtrack, and is far more polished and a lot better. That's the version they were playing on the SFSGSW tour.


It's probably my favorite too, though it sometimes falls behind Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings depending on my mood. It's fast and punky, but also somehow technical and controlled. Plus, the more melodic elements in songs like In My Darkest Hour and Mary Jane really elevate it. Very similar to Peace Sells when I think about it, but just so much better imo.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 01, 2022, 07:36:38 AM
Even though Youthanasia has aged extremely well, I did not like it when it came out. I actually gave up on Megadeth at that point. I thought CTE was a huge step down and that just continued with Youthanasia.

I like them both well enough today, but those were my real time feelings.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on October 01, 2022, 08:59:36 AM
Glad to see the love for SFSGSW. It has spent a lot of time being the red headed step child of the early Megadeth catalog. I also think it’s the best album they ever did. It’s short, compact, and utterly brilliant from start to finish.

Hated the remix though. Dave said in an interview that he always intended a horn section to be in Lungs and that they were always in there, just buried in the mix. I never noticed them before (and trust me, when that album came out I had far better hearing and played it at extremely high volumes) so when I heard the remix for the first time it just seemed all kinds of wrong. Glad I still have the original mix.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 01, 2022, 09:03:54 AM
The remix is what's on Spotify, and it's simply a different album than what I'm used to.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 01, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
Put me down as another SFSGSW fan.  Getting into Megadeth I kind read the general consensus on this album verses other early albums.  When I finally got around to getting it, I thought I was missing something because I thought it was fantastic.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on October 01, 2022, 05:38:56 PM
All of the Megadeth re-releases suck ass. Originals all the way  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on October 07, 2022, 01:37:42 PM
This week I moved on and have spent time with Peace Sells... but Who's Buying? (1986)

First off I should say I had very little knowledge of the overall fan perspective on the Megadeth discography and what albums are considered the best - aside from Rust in Peace because that album appears on every "best metal albums ever" list and I knew that one was considered the crown jewel by most. With Peace Sells I was familiar with the title and the title track and I had a suspicion it would be good but I guess I wasn't prepared for how good. I guess this is considered by many to be the 2nd best (or top3) in their discography and for me that's totally something I can understand. I would say I've noticed a trend across all the big four bands where in my opinion you have a decent debut album that isn't bad by any means but maybe suffers from production, the band not being 100% there yet, maybe a band member change away from greatness, but then you get a really kickass second album. Peace Sells is for me comparable to the level of step up that Metallica did from Kill Em All to Ride the Lightning, that Anthrax did from Fistful of Metal to Spreading the Disease, or Slayer did from Show No Mercy to Hell Awaits.

I feel like pretty much all the criticisms I had of their debut (which I still liked) are addressed right away. Production is better, right off the bat this sounds great. The guitars in Wake Up the Dead, Mustaine's voice sounds less high pitch and has that more 'evil' (i don't even know what word to use) tone. Overall the album just sounds pretty tight and with a lot of 80's albums there's always that "It sounds like a product of its time" but for me this holds up a lot better than other albums. In terms of other standout tracks I would say Conjuring is great, the title track is very memorable and maybe the greatest strength of the album is that it just keeps going. It's only 36 minutes left and I don't feel any moments that drag or stand out negatively. Overall I really enjoyed this one!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2022, 01:59:12 PM
My Last Words is a great song, and it's my #2 favorite Megadeth track.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2022, 02:08:47 PM
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2022, 02:10:37 PM
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.

Without making a list, I'd probably put Peace Sells somewhere around the 6 or 7 spot.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2022, 02:22:03 PM
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.

Without making a list, I'd probably put Peace Sells somewhere around the 6 or 7 spot.

Yeah, probably around the same for me too mate.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 07, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Peace Sells is probably my #2 Megadeth record. It's probably not a coincidence that is also the second record of theirs I heard.

My journey was basically, obsession with Metallica from mid 2002 - early 2004. My brother gave me a copy of Rust in Peace. Loved it, then got Peace Sells followed by So Far, So Good. For the next few years I only listened to those three albums.

Around 2006 a friend lent me a copy of Countdown. I thought Symphony of Destruction was OK, but it didn't do a lot for me. 2007 was the year I first bought a new 'Deth album upon release (United Abominations) and I LOVED IT! I think it is severely underrated, and possibly my #3 ranked album.

After that I kinda went back and filled in some of the gaps, as well as keeping up with newer releases. The first three albums I owned will always hold a special place in my heart, even though I really love some of the 00s records.

Peace Sells is actually the only one I have on vinyl so far, but it is damn near perfect. It will never reach the heights that Rust does, for me, but I still crank it often enough.

Zantera, in regards to your comparison to Megadeth's contemporaries, and their second albums, I'd say Peace Sells struggles to live up to Ride the Lightning (which on some days I consider my all time favourite metal album). I think it is leagues ahead of Hell Awaits and Spreading the Disease though.

Great post and I'm interested to hear your opinions on album number 3, I've always really liked it.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zoom E on October 07, 2022, 02:57:13 PM
Peace Sells is my #2 Megadeth album  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: billboy73 on October 07, 2022, 03:10:48 PM
I love Peace Sells and it edges out Rust In Peace as my #1 Megadeth album.  Love the darker edge to this album.  I just saw them a few months back, and they played the Conjuring, one of my favorite Megadeth songs.  My Last Words is such a great album closer.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on October 07, 2022, 03:14:04 PM
Zantera, in regards to your comparison to Megadeth's contemporaries, and their second albums, I'd say Peace Sells struggles to live up to Ride the Lightning (which on some days I consider my all time favourite metal album). I think it is leagues ahead of Hell Awaits and Spreading the Disease though.

I've only spent a week with this album so it's fairly early for me to say considering I have no idea if it will age good or bad but my gut feeling is that I'm with you on Ride being the nr1, Hell Awaits being nr4 and for me Peace Sells and Spreading the Disease are close. I could go either way on which one is 2 or 3. Slayer for me is my least favorite out of the four bands not because I dislike them or anything but they feel maybe a bit more limited than the others in terms of variety. They got their style which they execute very well and I won't argue against the quality of their early albums (Reign-Heaven-Seasons especially). But Anthrax has been a very pleasant surprise for me - possibly they benefit from being a complete unknown for me and hearing them for the first time this year after already being vaguely familiar with the other 3 for over a decade might give them a slight bump. Megadeth definitely show promise.

I'll try to mostly focus on Megadeth in this thread as it is their thread but I might throw in comparisons/references to the others mostly because I'm also working through the other discographies at the same time so it's just fun to observe.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2022, 03:52:41 PM
Just make sure you listen to the original SFSGSW and NOT the Remaster!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on October 07, 2022, 06:02:31 PM
Agreed! That raw sound and Mustaine's vocals are so much better. Anarchy in the UK is the only weak spot on the album
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: YtseJam on October 07, 2022, 06:18:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooKvgoAdCBQ
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Realm on October 07, 2022, 06:26:09 PM
Peace Sell is number 2 Megadeth album for me too.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on October 08, 2022, 01:02:32 AM
Just make sure you listen to the original SFSGSW and NOT the Remaster!

Are both on Spotify or does it only have the remaster? Might do both if the remaster is the only one on Spotify as that's what I have available at work, but when I'm at home can probably do the original one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on October 08, 2022, 03:44:13 AM
I'm not familiar with the different sound.  I own the 2004 remaster.  Is that good?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on October 08, 2022, 08:56:49 AM
I'm not familiar with the different sound.  I own the 2004 remaster.  Is that good?

That sounds like it might be the bad one. I can’t remember when it happened. But the releases are not only remastered, they’re also remixed. Worst idea ever.

Right on the spine of the CD case it will say “remixed and remastered“ if you have that one, it’s garbage.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 08, 2022, 09:00:32 AM
Yeah the Spotify version is the remixed one. Completely changed the feel.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Bentower on October 08, 2022, 09:46:10 AM
I only listened once to the 2004 remaster. That was quite enough. IIRC there were even re-recorded vocals on there.
Luckily I never sold my original CD and that version is also on YouTube.
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Post by: wolfking on October 08, 2022, 02:07:39 PM
Oh wow.  All Megadeth albums I have right up to Risk are these versions!
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Post by: TAC on October 08, 2022, 02:35:35 PM
Oh wow.  All Megadeth albums I have right up to Risk are these versions!

You've been living a lie!
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Post by: nick_z on October 08, 2022, 02:37:27 PM
Peace Sells is absolutely fantastic. My second favorite Megadeth record, just behind Rust in Peace.
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Post by: nick_z on October 08, 2022, 02:43:33 PM
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.

Without making a list, I'd probably put Peace Sells somewhere around the 6 or 7 spot.

That low, huh? To me, it has all I look for in a thrash metal album...it's technical and full of fantastic riffs, and it manages to be catchy and memorable too. The debut is kinda cool, but the leap (in pretty much every respect) from that to Peace Sells is gigantic.

I see you really like So Far, So good...I've always found it a bit of a mess (In My Darkest Hour is great, obviously). I haven't heard it in a while, I should revisit...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 08, 2022, 02:46:47 PM
I never quite rated it as high as the masses, but it's no doubt a fantastic record.

Without making a list, I'd probably put Peace Sells somewhere around the 6 or 7 spot.

That low, huh? To me, it has all I look for in a thrash metal album...it's technical and full of fantastic riffs, and it manages to be catchy and memorable too. The debut is kinda cool, but the leap (in pretty much every respect) from that to Peace Sells is gigantic.

I see you really like So Far, So good...I've always found it a bit of a mess (In My Darkest Hour is great, obviously). I haven't heard it in a while, I should revisit...

Off the top of my head, I'd take SFSGSW, RiP, Endgame..I mean, it could move up a couple of spots. I'd have to think about it.
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Post by: bobzor on October 10, 2022, 08:57:01 AM
Oh wow.  All Megadeth albums I have right up to Risk are these versions!

Do yourself a favor and get all the originals from at least Peace Sells up to Cryptic Writings. Normally, I'm not going on about audiophile shit like "remasters suck, originals only", but these Megadeth versions from 2004 are an abomination, save for maybe Youthanasia on which I at least didn't notice any big change.

Take Peace Sells, for instance. The 2004 version just totally lacks punch and the drums sound very plastic and weak, compared with the ballsy sound of the orignial. See this video for a pretty good comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXXZmcWjB0&t=633s


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Post by: Grappler on October 10, 2022, 10:20:54 AM
Oh wow.  All Megadeth albums I have right up to Risk are these versions!

Do yourself a favor and get all the originals from at least Peace Sells up to Cryptic Writings. Normally, I'm not going on about audiophile shit like "remasters suck, originals only", but these Megadeth versions from 2004 are an abomination, save for maybe Youthanasia on which I at least didn't notice any big change.

Take Peace Sells, for instance. The 2004 version just totally lacks punch and the drums sound very plastic and weak, compared with the ballsy sound of the orignial. See this video for a pretty good comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXXZmcWjB0&t=633s

The drum sound on Youthanasia is different on the 2004 remix.  As for my preferences on which versions of the album I listen to:

KIMB - 2002 remix/remaster or the 2018 Final Kill version.  I never listen to the original anymore.
Peace Sells - 2012 25th Anniversary remaster (remastered from the original tapes)
SFSGSW - I like the 2004 remix, despite adding horns into the first song.
RIP - Original version (2004 remix has some alternate vocal takes or 2004 new vocals)
Countdown - original version or 20th anniversary edition.  They sound the same to my ears.  2004 remaster sucks.
Youthanasia - original version
Cryptic - I like the 2004 remix.  I tend to listen to that version more than the original.
Risk - The 2004 remix is so much better.
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Post by: wolfking on October 10, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
Hmmm...maybe I'll look into all this.  I too never really care much about different sounds on remasters but I'll try and look into these.  I think I may actually have a couple of the originals stored away.
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Post by: Zantera on October 14, 2022, 04:58:11 AM
Time for an update and let's talk about So Far, So Good, So What? (1988)

From what I can tell at least based on their earlier albums this one seems to be a bit divisive - some people seem very lukewarm on it, others feel it's an underrated gem. I've done about 5 listens now, 3 of them was the Spotify remaster and I did 2 of the original on Youtube. The original definitely has a better sound to it and it makes you question how someone can do a remaster and mess it up. Initially I also felt this album leaned more into a heavy metal sound than thrash metal (like their first two albums) but that's not to say those elements are entirely gone, it just felt like this album was maybe an attempt at expanding their sound or doing something different.

If I start with my positives I would say there's a couple of great tracks on here. In My Darkest Hour, Set the World Afire and Hook in Mouth are all pretty solid tracks and songs I can see myself revisit probably more often than their debut album - which wasn't a bad album at all, just felt a bit like a band finding their way. By comparison this feels more 'fleshed out' and like a band more comfortable in their roles.

In terms of negatives I would say this suffers a bit from the same problem I had with the debut where the sequencing feels a bit off and Anarchy in the UK might be my biggest issue here. Was never a huge fan of that song to begin with, but it's role on this album in a 'key slot' of the tracklisting just makes this a bit weird. Like you start the album with an instrumental (which is fine), you have Set the World Afire but then you get a cover song which isn't that great, but it's also a cover and you're almost halfway through this album before it 'gets going'.

All in all this is a mostly positive album that I still have some mixed thoughts on. Maybe the fact it's sandwiched between Peace Sells and Rust For Peace is a reason people have been overly harsh on it but for me this felt like a step back from Peace Sells. If the order of releases had been Killing is My Business > So Far So Good > Peace Sells, then maybe I had felt a bit more positive about it. It's not bad but it almost feels like a half-n-half combination of 'songs we wrote for a new album' mixed with covers and b-sides.

But yeah got Rust in Peace coming up next and that should be good. :)
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Post by: twosuitsluke on October 14, 2022, 05:47:08 AM
Gotta say I agree with most of what you say here dude.
I think side two is WAY stronger than the first. I suppose I'd never really considered the song order.

I too am no great fan of Anarchy in the UK (Megadeth's version, or the original) and it probably would've been better at the end of the album, much like Police Truck on the latest.

Mary Jane is also a bit on the weak side but I've gotta say I like every other track. 502, Liar and Hook in Mouth may not be some of their greatest songs but I really fucking love them. I'm gonna say that I personally think So Far, So Good pisses all over every 90s Megadeth album, bar Rust obviously.

I'm actually going to stick this on now and have a more concentrated listen  :metal
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Post by: DTA on October 14, 2022, 09:35:14 PM
I find Mary Jane to be one of their most overlooked and interesting songs. The second half of the song with that harmonized guitar part is so melodic and interesting.

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Post by: TAC on October 15, 2022, 06:15:49 AM
I find Mary Jane to be one of their most overlooked and interesting songs. The second half of the song with that harmonized guitar part is so melodic and interesting.

I agree. Top 10 Megadeth tune for me I think.
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Post by: TAC on October 18, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
Is it me, or does this kid kick ass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Kd8jRfUK0
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Post by: cfmoran13 on October 19, 2022, 06:42:57 PM
Is it me, or does this kid kick ass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Kd8jRfUK0
I quite enjoyed his playing.  He does a really good "Bark At The Moon", too.   :metal
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Post by: TAC on October 19, 2022, 06:55:29 PM
Oh cool. I'll check it out.
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Post by: TAC on October 20, 2022, 03:16:31 PM
New video to Life In Hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW_Xyj1sIBQ

It is...interesting..



I love this song. Has a wicked Flotsam feel to it.
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Post by: wolfking on October 21, 2022, 04:43:38 AM
I think the video needs more killing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2022, 06:05:26 AM
Time for the classic one - Rust in Peace (1990)

I'm always a bit wary and nervous when heading into an album that's considered a milestone - and it's even worse when it's not just considered the band's best album but one of the pillars of foundation for the genre as a whole. This is an album with huge legacy that I've seen on numerous 'best of' lists and it's also one of those albums that seem to break through where even people who aren't necessarily big Megadeth fans will go "Yeah that album is great". I use RYM quite a lot and while you can debate about the validity of ratings and how realistic the consensus is over there, this is an album with a 4.02 average rating for a band who's second highest rating is 3.84, so even among this crowd there seems to be a bit of a gap there. Either way, big expectations and some apprehension about not trying to get carried away. (Usually too high expectations can really kill a good album sadly)

But right off the bat with those barbed wire chugging guitars at the intro of Holy Wars... the Punishment Due (a title I recognize as one of their more known songs) I feel like I'm in safe hands. Knowing the direction that other thrash bands went in the 90s, it feels reassuring like a warm hug to hear this 1990 album coming out after the big thrash metal wave but still living up to that level. Hangar 18 is another title I recognize and it keeps the energy level up and delivers a memorable intro with some great riffs and a really cool second half especially. I think the next couple of tracks offer some nice variety that keeps this album from being one note and just around the time in an album where you run the risk of losing the listener's attention we land somewhere with Tornado of Souls which just sucks you right back into it. Overall this album offers enough variety and quality to deliver 40 minutes of fantastic music and I definitely understand why this is considered their peak lineup. It's not just the guitars but the drums have almost a jazzy element to it which elevates it above just normal metal drumming in this case.

For me this is possibly a 5/5 or at the very least a very strong 4.5/5. No real complaints at all. I think back to Mustaine seeming to broken in the Some Kind of Monster documentary and bitter about his exit from Metallica and saying his career turned out a joke because this is an album that he basically made that you could say holds up with the best Metallica albums. I don't think if he had stayed in Metallica that you could have said the same because that was very much the James and Lars show. Sure, Metallica is a bigger band and make more money, but in terms of legacy I think he should be proud of this one because instead of being one of the passengers on great albums, he basically drove the bus by himself here.  :hat
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Post by: DTA on October 22, 2022, 06:10:14 AM
RIP is just awesome. Holy Wars, Tornado, and Hangar get all the attention but it’s the more wacky stuff like Five Magics, Lucretia and the title track that make me so into this band. There’s not a bad moment on this album and even though it’s not my favorite of theirs, I understand its importance in their catalog and why it’s considered their peak.
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Post by: Zoom E on October 22, 2022, 11:06:30 AM
RIP really is head and shoulders above all other Megadeth albums for me. That’s not saying that there aren’t also some other great Megadeth albums, just that RIP is a watershed moment in the Megadeth catalogue.
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Post by: twosuitsluke on October 22, 2022, 11:20:57 AM
I was just thinking about this the other day. Imagine being Dave, releasing an album like Rust in Peace, which is arguably the pinnacle of thrash metal and all it had been heading towards in the 80s. So you release this near perfect album, a thrash album that some would say trumps all of Metallica's thrash albums (yes, it always had to come back to Metallica  :lol ), only for Metallica to release The Black Album the following year!

Dave always felt he had something to prove and wanted to stick it to Metallica. If he had been kicked out of any other band, or released an album of this calibre earlier in Megadeth's career, it really would have stuck it to Metallica. The Black Album was like no other though, it transcended the genre and rightfully made Metallica the largest band on the planet. I would say it is easily the most successful metal album of all time.

Poor Dave, just imagine releasing RIP and then just realising "fuck, what do I need to do to top these guys?!"

I don't know how he didn't throw in the towel then. Although it probably fueled him to keep going. I'm glad he did as I would take Megadeth's post 2000 output over Metallica's any day.
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Post by: TAC on October 22, 2022, 07:13:45 PM
RIP is just awesome. Holy Wars, Tornado, and Hangar get all the attention but it’s the more wacky stuff like Five Magics, Lucretia and the title track that make me so into this band. There’s not a bad moment on this album and even though it’s not my favorite of theirs, I understand its importance in their catalog and why it’s considered their peak.

Five Magics is my favorite song on the album.


RIP really is head and shoulders above all other Megadeth albums for me. That’s not saying that there aren’t also some other great Megadeth albums, just that RIP is a watershed moment in the Megadeth catalogue.

I do recognize RiP as their signature album for sure, but SFSGSW is still my favorite.


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Post by: Grappler on October 22, 2022, 07:47:23 PM
Knowing the direction that other thrash bands went in the 90s, it feels reassuring like a warm hug to hear this 1990 album coming out after the big thrash metal wave but still living up to that level.

Oh don't worry, you're about to explore Megadeth's output in the 1990's as well.   :biggrin:

I'm glad you love Rust in Peace.  That album is just amazing from start to finish - seeing the band play that in 2010 was one of my concert-going highlights. 
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Post by: Zoom E on October 22, 2022, 08:10:28 PM
RIP is just awesome. Holy Wars, Tornado, and Hangar get all the attention but it’s the more wacky stuff like Five Magics, Lucretia and the title track that make me so into this band. There’s not a bad moment on this album and even though it’s not my favorite of theirs, I understand its importance in their catalog and why it’s considered their peak.

Five Magics is my favorite song on the album.


RIP really is head and shoulders above all other Megadeth albums for me. That’s not saying that there aren’t also some other great Megadeth albums, just that RIP is a watershed moment in the Megadeth catalogue.

I do recognize RiP as their signature album for sure, but SFSGSW is still my favorite.

Five Magics  is possibly my favourite tune on RIP as well.

I agree that SFSGSW is a great album. I would probably rank it as my third favourite Megadeth album.
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Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2022, 05:35:19 AM
Knowing the direction that other thrash bands went in the 90s, it feels reassuring like a warm hug to hear this 1990 album coming out after the big thrash metal wave but still living up to that level.

Oh don't worry, you're about to explore Megadeth's output in the 1990's as well.   :biggrin:

I'm glad you love Rust in Peace.  That album is just amazing from start to finish - seeing the band play that in 2010 was one of my concert-going highlights.

Haha yeah I am aware that they go in a bit more mainstream metal way with the next few (I think Countdown but I know Youthanasia has more of a heavy metal reputation I think?) and I'm well aware Risk is considered their Black Album. I feel like a trend I'm noticing among the big 4 of thrash is almost an identity crisis hitting these bands around the same time. It's too early to speak on Megadeth since I haven't dipped my toe yet but Metallica obviously had Black Album-Load-Reload which whether you like them or dislike them changed their sound and they left a lot of the thrash metal behind them to branch out. Anthrax kinda left their thrash metal behind and went into a bit of a groove/alternative metal direction when they changed singer. Slayer felt like the one band who tried to stay true to who they were, they just kept having diminishing returns after Abyss. I think they even ventured into nu-metal territory on an album or two before they kinda went back on track.
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Post by: DTA on October 23, 2022, 06:04:29 AM
I feel like Countdown is more considered their "Black album" while Risk is like a pre-emptive St. Anger (though Risk is way better than it gets credit for) if we're comparing the two. Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are definitely more straight ahead hard-rock (with some metal flourishes) but both excellent albums with some of their best songwriting imo.
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on October 23, 2022, 07:49:27 AM
Cryptic Writings might be my favorite "metal band goes rock" album.
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Post by: Grappler on October 24, 2022, 07:23:32 AM
I feel like Countdown is more considered their "Black album" while Risk is like a pre-emptive St. Anger (though Risk is way better than it gets credit for) if we're comparing the two. Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are definitely more straight ahead hard-rock (with some metal flourishes) but both excellent albums with some of their best songwriting imo.

Youthanasia is still a pretty heavy album, though it's all mid-tempo with no faster songs.  Cryptic Writings re-introduced some burners, like The Disintregators, She-Wolf, Vortex and FFF. 
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Post by: WilliamMunny on October 24, 2022, 07:56:25 AM
I feel like Countdown is more considered their "Black album" while Risk is like a pre-emptive St. Anger (though Risk is way better than it gets credit for) if we're comparing the two. Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are definitely more straight ahead hard-rock (with some metal flourishes) but both excellent albums with some of their best songwriting imo.

Youthanasia is still a pretty heavy album, though it's all mid-tempo with no faster songs.  Cryptic Writings re-introduced some burners, like The Disintregators, She-Wolf, Vortex and FFF.

Youthanasia has a couple of faster moments ("Victory" comes to mind), but it is similar to The Black Album in that it features a great combination of metal-tinged rock with some seriously ear-pleasing production. Probably Dave's best vocal album and Marty's playing is simply the best.

If I had to pick 'any' thrash band's '90s output, Megadeth's Countdown thru Cryptic Writings just might be my choice—hell, even Risk has a handful of keepers!
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Post by: Samsara on October 24, 2022, 08:44:00 AM
So after living with this new record for a bit, has anyone sort of felt Dystopia was a better record? I'm just not having a lot of desire to revisit this new one as often as I did Dystopia...

Count me in as a fan of Youthanasia. Although I really enjoy when they up to tempo on those songs Grapp mentioned on Cryptic.  :metal
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Post by: Grappler on October 24, 2022, 08:55:27 AM
So after living with this new record for a bit, has anyone sort of felt Dystopia was a better record? I'm just not having a lot of desire to revisit this new one as often as I did Dystopia...

Count me in as a fan of Youthanasia. Although I really enjoy when they up to tempo on those songs Grapp mentioned on Cryptic.  :metal

I haven't listened to the new album very much in the last month.  I've spent more time with Maiden / Priest / Queensryche to prepare for the shows I've seen/am seeing soon.

I think the new Megadeth is better than Dystopia, which always loses me after the first 3-4 songs.  I am incredibly fond of Youthanasia, which triggers a lot of nostalgia for me and I can remember the day that I got the album.  I was 14, a freshman in high school and my parents took us to Best Buy on a Friday night.  They had a HUGE end cap display with Father Vic, displaying the then-new Megadeth album.  I bought it that night and immersed myself in the album.

This was back when I was just getting into metal and cd collecting.  At the time, I had a goofy CD rack where you put the cases into this contraption with a wire inserted into the clear cover.  When you pulled out the tray, the cover would automatically open.  The fun part was that the rack had a 24-disc capacity and I only had it half-filled.  Nearly 30 years later, I have bins full of CD's in the basement and thousands of albums.  Some of those old CD's of mine still have scratches in the clear covers from those wires that were inserted into them. 
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Post by: Kwyjibo on October 24, 2022, 09:05:44 AM
Youthanasia is my favorite Megadeth record. The combination of heavyness and melodies was never done better by Mustaine. And Friedman is killer on that record.

And because the new one hasn't clicked with me (yet?), I think Dystopia is better.
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Post by: Mladen on October 24, 2022, 09:26:43 AM
I like the new one much more than Dystopia. The riffs, the melodies, the attitude, the voice - everything is fresh and more fleshed out. It's a consistently enjoyable record.
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Post by: billboy73 on October 24, 2022, 09:36:29 AM
I feel like Countdown is more considered their "Black album" while Risk is like a pre-emptive St. Anger (though Risk is way better than it gets credit for) if we're comparing the two. Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are definitely more straight ahead hard-rock (with some metal flourishes) but both excellent albums with some of their best songwriting imo.

Youthanasia is still a pretty heavy album, though it's all mid-tempo with no faster songs.  Cryptic Writings re-introduced some burners, like The Disintregators, She-Wolf, Vortex and FFF.

I love both Youthanasia and Cryptic.  Love the darker, melodic vibe on Youthanasia, and I don't think Dave ever sounded better vocally than here.  Outside of I'll Get Even, which is a terrible song, Cryptic Writings is really good.  The fast stuff is great, and the more hard rock stuff like A Secret Place and Almost Honest is solid too.  Love the riffs in Vortex and Mastermind.
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Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2022, 12:30:32 AM
I'll start off by saying in my last post for some reason I wrote Risk was their Black Album but I meant to say I've heard it's their Load, and since I'm here to talk about Countdown to Extinction (1992) I feel like this album in many ways is their Black Album. We slow it down a bit, less thrash metal and it feels like more of a heavy metal album. Definitely feels like some focus has shifted towards writing some 'hits' even if the music itself still has that heavy edge to it. The early 90's really seemed to push these bands in this direction whether it was all intentional or if others saw the success Metallica had with Black Album and felt they had to adapt or die. I mean Slayer kinda stood by their sound and their 90s definitely had a decline to it. I should mention Anthrax briefly because Persistence of Time is an album I like so much that it kinda rivals Among the Living as their best IMO and that's where they went a bit more heavy metal as well. I've actually noticed whether it's intentional or not with these bands but I feel like Alice in Chains and their first two albums (maybe Facelift more because of dropping in 1990) played a part in this transformation of the sound as well. Whether it's Metallica, Anthrax or Megadeth here, I feel like the rise of grunge (and especially the AiC sound) had some impact into the direction these bands went for a while. Just an observation and for all I know maybe there's none of that influence at all.  :lol

Countdown to Extinction doesn't entirely abandon the sound Megadeth had already established but I feel like right off the bat with Skin 'O My Teeth and especially Symphony of Destruction (one of their more recognizable hits?) I get strong Black Album vibes where you get a slightly more commercialized take on the band's sound and something that's meant to really click with the listener right away. I definitely respect the band for not digging down and doing the same thing and this album does offer some nice variety in between the songs and it's not as 'one dimensional' as some of their other ones. It's a band that's growing and while this album doesn't quite reach Rust in Peace / Peace Sells for me, it feels like a band that has still matured overall and are now very settled into who they are and what they do.

If I'm gonna find anything negative to say to justify only placing this as #3 so far - I would say for starters I just vibe with Rust in Peace and Peace Sells slightly more for the pure thrash metal aesthetic of those albums. But also, and this might be controversial, Mustaine on this album as a vocalist is starting to be a bit all over the place for me. I think his voice sounds good in the mix and possibly it's the best out of these first five, but as a side effect of the band now doing more different styles of songs with some slower tempo ones and some faster ones, this feels like a bit of an experiment where he's trying out to sing differently depending on the song. There's a few tracks like Captive Honour for example where I feel like he's maybe trying to reach too far and it doesn't quite get all the way there. His vocals on Rust in Peace and Peace Sells might be more limited but it suits the style of those albums. I can definitely respect him (and the band) stepping out and trying to cover more ground here and it mostly works, just a few moments for me where I think "Oh really, that's the vocals he went with there?".

As of right now, first listen through of the discography (4-5 spins of each album) I would put this as a very strong #3 behind RiP and PS...BWB? but still a comfortable little gap above SFSGSW and KIMB...ABIG. I do like this album a fair bit. I should also mentioned I listened to it with the bonus tracks (Breakpoint and Go to Hell) and I don't really have any complaints about either but it does make the album run time maybe 8 minutes longer and it just gives you guys some context for which version I listened to. :P

Youthanasia up next and I vaguely remember a few of the songs like A Tout le Monde which I think is one of their big hits and they also re-recorded later in their career with Cristina from Lacuna Coil (I remember this because Lacuna Coil is a band I like a lot). I think I've also heard Youthanasia is a bit controversial as it kinda takes them even further from their roots and more into MTV metal territory, but I guess we will find out! :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: soupytwist on October 29, 2022, 04:02:03 AM
I think you'll be surprised by Youth.  It's probably my fav Megadeth album - the band were on fire with that line-up Rust, Countdown and Youth is a fantastic run of album and with a real natural organic way each album changed the sound slightly.  I'd throw a bone to Cryptic too, although that album always feels like a collection of B-Sides from the previous three albums than the natural next step.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2022, 07:57:49 PM
I agree with the comments about Countdown. I struggled with it quite a bit when it came out. It's too clean. Too crisp. Too sterile.

I did consider it their Black Album at the time. I thought it was a huge step down. I have zero recollection of them touring on this album. I certainly didn't see this tour.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on October 29, 2022, 08:29:39 PM
I didn’t care for Countdown when it came out. But oddly enough, I rather enjoyed Trent Reznor’s remix of Symphony.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Realm on October 29, 2022, 08:43:54 PM
I absolutely loved Countdown on the day of release. It definitely felt like Megadeth's equivalent to the Black Album at the time but it was awesome and I thought it was better than the Black Album. To this day, Ashes in Your Mouth is still one of my favourite Megadeth songs. I think RiP, SFSGSW and PS are better albums but at the time Countdown just felt like a natural progression to me and this Megadeth line up were firing on all cylinders.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on November 05, 2022, 01:19:20 AM
Youthanasia (1994)

Maybe I sounded lukewarm or negative about Countdown, but that wasn't intentional. It was a great album maybe just cursed with following a masterpiece and the level set by Rust in Peace. Countdown was still very good and set the band on a new path. Youthanasia carries on and in my opinion kinda perfects the type of sound they had started going towards. I actually heard this album once maybe 15 years ago, why I did not check it out more at the time or why it fell by the way side is unclear. But listening to it the first time now again, I was really blown away by just how much of it I could recall, like pulling good old memories from deep within my brain. It was like one of those "Oh this hits the spot" moments, like when you see a movie again you saw as a kid and it lives up to your hopes and expectations. :)

For me the first side of this album is as close to perfect as I could imagine a Megadeth album in this style to be. Reckoning Day starts off with that great riff, Train of Consequences has a great memorable chorus, and Addicted to Chaos just has a nice atmosphere to it. A Tout Le Monde was one of maybe 2-3 songs I could vaguely recall overall from Megadeth going into this and while him doing the french chorus could potentially be viewed as cheesy, I think as a ballad it's actually a pretty great song. Elysian Fields gets the momentum back up and The Killing Road has become an early favorite of mine from this band. That chorus is just stuck in my head and the guitar solo rules pretty hard too. These 6 songs in a row for me have such a consistent level of quality that at this point I was thinking this could end up battling with the best albums they have.

But the second half does lose me just a bit. Don't get me wrong, it's not a "falls off a cliff" scenario where the last 6 songs are just mediocre or bad, there's still quality there. But maybe it's the fact the first 6 songs have clicked with me so strong that once I sort of leave the tracks it's hard to come back again. This is possibly an issue that could be solved by listening to the album more times and I will find those standouts in the second half as well. I think also sometimes, with all bands, you go into an album focused but as you get halfway through the album you zone out a bit and it's usually harder for me to get into the second half of an album than the first. So my thoughts on Youthanasia as a whole after 5 listens is a fantastic first half and a good second half that could potentially rise into something more. But so far I think I would actually put this as #3 behind RiP at #1 and Peace Sells at #2. Why this over Countdown? For now I just appreciate the catchiness of some of these songs and Countdown might require more listens to gel with me more. I would still put Countdown as my #4 though. :)

Next week is Cryptic Writings and I believe Trust is considered one of their more known songs but aside from that it seems like you guys and many others consider it to be their weakest album at this point in their career. So we shall see, I'm still curious to hear it and maybe it will surprise me positively. I think sometimes getting into a discography late can be beneficial because you're not burdened with the expectations of that time. Many times I've ended up liking albums that maybe weren't received well when they came out - because people then had waited X amount of years and had certain hopes, and for me it's just jumping between albums from week to week. :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DoctorAction on November 05, 2022, 02:06:57 AM
Quick thought dump.

Megadeth aren't a huge band for me but Peace Sells was a key record for me as a teen. Wake Up Dead is a cracker straight out of the gates - slamming chugging and wild solos. It's the MD song I'll just stick on loud and have a quick 4 minute blast of.  :metal

My Last Words is also a top tune. That bass under the verses is beaut.

I read in Mustaine's biography that the backing band were all jazz musicians that he hired, and they were all heroin addicts at this point (fully in the the jazz tradition there). So much so that he described writing, recording and touring it as almost a secondary activity to their lives as heroin addicts.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 05, 2022, 06:20:26 AM
Youthanasia was the last Megadeth album I bought for years. I did not like the direction the band was going in. I thought Countdown was a huge step down and this was worse. It had a better sound than Countdown though, but as far as being Megadeth....gone was the speed, gone was the heavy thrash. This was more groovy, slow, and well, it wasn't what I wanted from Megadeth. They were evolving into just another band.

This was also the last tour I saw from them.

I did go to Gigantour but left after DT.

I didn't buy another Megadeth album until I downloaded The System Has Failed off Kazaa.



Now, all that said, when I revisited Youthanasia years ago, I loved it. That riff in Black Curtains is just a monster. It has really aged well.



My Last Words is also a top tune. 

My #2 all time Megadeth tune.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on November 05, 2022, 06:33:03 AM
Youthanasia was the last Megadeth album I bought for years. I did not like the direction the band was going in. I thought Countdown was a huge step down and this was worse. It had a better sound than Countdown though, but as far as being Megadeth....gone was the speed, gone was the heavy thrash. This was more groovy, slow, and well, it wasn't what I wanted from Megadeth. They were evolving into just another band.

This actually brings up a point I wanted to address in my post but forgot about. A band changing direction can definitely be something that alienates some fans as well as bring in others. Just for me personally, I've liked Thrash-Megadeth a lot, both Peace Sells and especially Rust in Peace are top tier albums in the genre for me. But I also like slower Heavy Metal so I don't particularly mind their change that much. But it's the same with Metallica for me, I love their classic albums but there's great stuff on Black Album and Load/Reload for me as well.

Was Countdown/Youthanasia really Mustaine being obsessed with Metallica and trying to match them? I know the band started out as his obsession to make a band that played faster and more technical than Metallica and you could agree with Rust in Peace they had achieved that, but with the success Metallica found with Black Album on a commercial level it just makes you wonder if this was really Mustaine trying to prove he could write commercially successful songs too. It feels a bit like if there was no Nothing Else Matters/The Unforgiven there would be no A Tout le Monde.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dream Team on November 05, 2022, 12:25:48 PM
He was DEFINITELY chasing Metallica.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on November 05, 2022, 08:10:40 PM
Youthanasia is one of my favorite records from them.  It took me a while after I got the record, but I really began to love Youthanasia/I Thought I Knew it All and Black Curtains.  And Victory is a fucking killer song, faster than the others and with some fun lyrics as well. 

Dave sings his ass off on that album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on November 12, 2022, 05:31:08 AM
This week I've been listening to Cryptic Writings (1997) and it's been interesting.

I'll get my potentially controversial opinion out of the way and say that I'm fairly sure I enjoyed this album more than I did So Far So Good So What or their debut album. But it's also not to the same level as Peace Sells-Rust in Peace-Countdown-Youthanasia, and it is a bit of a mixed bag. The songs that clicked with me clicked pretty hard, my favorites so far would be "Trust", "Use the Man", "Almost Honest" and "I'll Get Even" among others. I like the overall sound of the album and I think Mustaine actually sounds pretty good vocally for the most part. Maybe a part of why I seem to not rate the debut or SFSGSW as high is that those albums felt a bit more limited and his vocals felt a bit more in the shrieking register. Crypting Writings by comparison feels like more of a hard rock/heavy metal album where he can sing in a more comfortable register most of the time.

But if we get to the negatives, as much as I was surprised by enjoying this album I also can't lie and say it lived up to the albums before it. I read that Mustaine said something about this album being something like 1/3 of new direction ideas, 1/3 of what they had been doing on Youthanasia/Countdown and 1/3 faster thrash-y stuff and I can kinda see that. This feels a bit fragmented and it's a big issue I had with SFSGSW was that it didn't feel like a cohesive album. Overall I enjoyed Cryptic Writings more than I expected and I'm a bit surprised just how lukewarm reviews seem to be, because I don't think anything on here really sounds that bad. It could have passed for a B-sides compilation from the last two albums with a few standout songs but I don't think it's bad or anything. A couple of songs from here would make my 'Megadeth favorite songs' playlist (I might compile something like that after I'm done with their albums) and I could see myself revisiting this album at least occasionally.

Next up is Risk which might be an interesting discussion because I know it's kinda their St. Anger in terms of being controversial (though I am aware it's more of a Load type album soundwise). I was also curious if people would be interested in me doing side content as well such as Hidden Treasures for example? I think it counts as an EP but it's 30 minutes of music and has a few B-sides on it. I might also dip into one (or more) live albums after I'm done to get a flavor of that too. I've gotten some mixed messages though, is Rude Awakening or Live in Buenos Aires considered the best one? Or maybe there's another one that's better?

Let me know and also what you guys think of Cryptic Writings. :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on November 12, 2022, 06:39:52 AM
The fan response to Cryptic Writings always confuses me. Like there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it and it contains all memorable, catchy songs. I think there’s certain albums by bands that newer fans bandwagon into disliking or underrating just because older fans say it’s inferior. A Secret Place, Vortex, and FFF are my favorites from it and the album flows beautifully imo.

Risk is a really good album, and continues the CW sound but into a more poppy direction. And I always felt like the vocal melody of Crush Em sounded exactly like Beat It by Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on November 12, 2022, 12:09:04 PM
For me Cryptic Writings >>>>>>> Youthanasia, by a long way
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on November 12, 2022, 08:08:12 PM
I love Cryptic Writings.  I can listen to that record and like Youthanasia, it takes me back to 1997 and getting the record when it came out.  Hearing songs like Trust and Almost Honest on the radio, and discovering some of the deeper cuts like Sin and Mastermind.  A Secret Place is a killer song.

I think the only song I don't really like is I'll Get Even, but I still sing along to it. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2022, 04:04:48 PM
After Countdown and Youthanasia, I was pretty much done with new Megadeth. I really didn't like the direction they were going in. I skipped Cryptic Writings in real time. I think I may have heard Almost Honest, and figured they were done. A buddy of mine really liked it, but I just couldn't bring myself to listen to it. I didn't want to be disappointed.

I definitely did myself a favor.  When I went back and listened my fears were confirmed. This is easily their worst album to this point.

I think She Wolf, musically is a tremendous track, and easily the best thing here, though the lyrics are dumb AF. The Disintegrators is the only track here that reminds me of classic Megadeth.
I have grown to really like Trust as well. But after those three tracks, there's really just not much here.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2022, 04:35:41 PM
I can see why people would dislike CW, but it was my first Megadeth album and while I found it strange at the start, it's grown nicely and I think it's a really great album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: nick_z on November 13, 2022, 06:26:57 PM
Haven't listened to CW in its entirety in a long time...I do remember liking it well enough, though...

I didn't buy right away either, and when I eventually did (used bin, if memory serves), expectations were quite low (given the comments I had read/heard). Partly because of a bar set low enough, I remember I found it better than I was expecting. Overall, certainly not great, but not bad either. I suppose I should revisit it...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2022, 06:31:20 PM
Haven't listened to CW in its entirety in a long time... I suppose I should revisit it...

No need. I took one for the team today. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: nick_z on November 13, 2022, 06:41:39 PM
Haven't listened to CW in its entirety in a long time... I suppose I should revisit it...

No need. I took one for the team today. :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zoom E on November 13, 2022, 08:23:58 PM
Haven't listened to CW in its entirety in a long time... I suppose I should revisit it...

No need. I took one for the team today. :lol

Excellent. I would not care to revisit CW either.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: The Realm on November 14, 2022, 08:53:02 PM
Count me also as someone who has not listened to CW in a very long time. The cd was a release day purchase for me and as a huge Megadeth fan at the time I was all fired up but I remember that even seeing the cover disappointed me and the songs/music overall weren't much better. I'll see if I can find some time to give it a listen at some stage to see if my mind has changed but my memory is that this album was a huge step down from those that came before it and actually turned me off Megadeth for a while.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on November 19, 2022, 09:23:59 AM
Popping in for the weekly update and this time to talk about the risky left turn that is Risk (1999).

And to start things off I do feel disappointed, not necessarily just with the album itself but my lack of any strong feeling towards it either way. I was hoping for such a controversial album that most people seem to strongly hate, that I would either have a similar experience where it's at least a classic 'bad' album, or that I would get some sort of 'hallelujah' moment where I would like the album a decent bit and would defend it as this misunderstood album that's really not that bad but not a masterpiece either. But maybe similar to Load by Metallica that I actually like a fair bit despite changing direction, or Sound of White Noise by Anthrax which is also a different direction but an album I like. It's important to note that timing really matters and if I was a Megadeth through the late 80s going into the 90s and I was waiting years for this album - I might be one of those people thinking it's the worst thing ever. Because I'm able to jump from one album to the next from week to week and I listen 4-5 times to each of them and next Monday I have a new one, this was mostly just a 'meh' week where I didn't get that much out of it but I also know I'm moving on soon.

But let's talk about the actual content and not just the circumstances around it.

Insomnia starts the album off in a decent way IMO. The song is a bit of a mixed bag for me because it has the sound of a 90s alternative rock song (giving me some Smashing Pumpkins vibes) which should be more my thing since I love that whole period and genre, but I feel like had they made more of a metal version of this same song, I would have liked it more. It's decent though, probably one of the better songs which isn't necessarily saying much. Prince of Darkness is alright as well, but I can't shake the feeling that it's 6 ½ minutes of ideas we've heard done better before and kinda lacking that edge. But I feel like the more we get into the album the more it loses me. Some of these songs really lack great guitar riffs and sounds like something from the 90s alternative radio except writing more 'radio pop melody' songs isn't really Mustaine's strength IMO. I was kinda enjoying Wanderlust a bit, some parts reminded me of Wanted (Dead or Alive) by Bon Jovi (who I don't necessarily like much) but if I'm looking for any sort of positives on this album I would still say this song would make my top3.

I wish I had more interesting things to say about the album but it's just very 'okay' in my book. I can understand people saying it's bad, I can even understand some people liking it if they are into more of that 80s/90s 'cheesy radio rock' (no offense, best tag I could come up with)  :lol but for me it's just a pretty average listen. I would say the weakest Megadeth album so far. There's 2 or 3 songs here I might revisit but the album as a whole is one of those I might revisit in like 5 years to see if I hear something different, but it won't enter my frequent rotation. For me the biggest problem isn't the change in sound, it's that a lot of these songs just aren't very interesting. Maybe you guys have more interesting stories or thoughts about this album. :P

Next week I'm doing The World Needs a Hero which I think has some mixed reviews but seems to be a return to metal so that will be interesting.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on November 19, 2022, 11:12:20 AM
I LOVED Risk.  Loved it.  But I know I am in the minority on that.

Next week I'm doing The World Needs a Hero which I think has some mixed reviews but seems to be a return to metal so that will be interesting.

Two words:  drum.  clinic.

Or alternatively:  Jimmy.  DeGrasso.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on November 19, 2022, 05:01:09 PM
I don't think I'll ever forget the disappointment of being a 19 year old thrash fan and listening to Risk for the first time.  I agree with Dave's assessment in the remastered version's liner notes - he sings his ass off on the album.  But there's not really much to love.  Prince of Darkness was heavy, Insomnia and The Doctor is Calling are catchy.  The Time songs are good.  I have a great memory of a former friend getting us 7th row tickets for that tour in Milwaukee, where I got to see the Marty Friedman/Jimmy DeGrasso lineup and came home with one of Marty's picks. 

Prince of Darkness
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
In My Darkest Hour
Train of Consequences
Hangar 18
Breadline (live premiere)
A Secret Place
She-Wolf
A tout le monde
Almost Honest
Crush 'Em
Use the Man
Trust
Insomnia
Sweating Bullets
Symphony of Destruction
Peace Sells

Encore:
Paranoid
Anarchy in the U.K.

I do remember the build up to The World Needs a Hero.  The band's website posted a few off the riffs that were written - Kill the King, Return to Hangar, maybe one other.  I loved that some faster riffs were coming back, but it still wasn't the Megadeth of old that would come back after Dave reformed the band. 

I met the band when TWNAH was released in 2001 and despite being star struck and embarrassing myself, I had a very short and nice moment with Dave and played the hell out of the album. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on November 19, 2022, 06:32:19 PM
TWNAH is the only post-SOD album that I’m very familiar with. I heard 1000xGB on internet radio and it just struck a chord with me. It might be a bit simplistic, but I love that riff and I like the humor in the female dialogue.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 19, 2022, 06:51:13 PM
Post-SOD??
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: jammindude on November 19, 2022, 09:11:54 PM
Post-SOD??

Sorry. I keep forgetting that Symphony of Destruction was not the title track of the album. I meant CTE. EDIT - Apparently I’m not even really familiar with THAT one.  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: billboy73 on November 22, 2022, 08:59:24 AM
Risk isn't terrible it kinda just plods along.  I really don't like the guitar tone on this album though.  It's got a few decent songs, and I revisit it every so often.  Insomnia is decent and the Time songs are pretty cool.  The Doctor Is Calling is good, and I agree Wanderlust sounds like a decent Bon Jovi tune.  I actually really like Breadline for what it is.  Crush 'Em has got to be the worst thing Megadeth ever crapped out though.  The only remnant of this album is that Prince of Darkness is the intro tape for their shows.  I couldn't imagine Dave trying to sing any of this stuff now with his strained vocals.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 22, 2022, 06:21:21 PM
I always quite enjoyed Risk personally.  I understand the hate but meh.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on November 26, 2022, 05:02:03 AM
Alright, moving on into the 00's we have the album that was made to get the band 'back on track' after taking a Risk 2 years earlier and this was going to be the big return to metal. Even the return of the mascot Vic Rattlehead who had been absent on the album covers post Rust in Peace (unless I'm mistaken) and this kinda feels like a band trying to find their footing again after 2 releases that got mixed reception among the fans. So yeah let's talk about The World Needs a Hero (2001).

Disconnect starts the album off and I would say it's pretty solid overall. I enjoy the intro riff and while I do think the song could use with a little bit more energy, I still think it's one of the better tracks on here. Just maybe doesn't feel like a great album opener but a song that would have been better as the 2nd or 3rd song. We get into the title track next and while it has some interesting percussion in it, the chorus feels a bit underwhelming and while the song overall is okay, I always feel like the title track should be one of the standouts and this just feels like it could have been one of the forgotten songs in the middle of Cryptic Writings or something. I realized I had the japanese album version because for me the next song was Coming Home which I believe is not on the 'regular' release at all. I was hoping this would grow on me because it is different and I like artists doing different things but I don't really like it much at all sadly. A bit of a cheesy and forgettable track and I've heard Megadeth do acoustic songs better before. Moto Psycho brings back some energy but I'm not a huge fan of the chorus I must say.

1000 Times Goodbye feels a bit more interesting to me. It's hard to say how my perspective will change as I spend more time with the band but this was really the first song on the album that stood out where I felt it had a bit more things going on in it, and it felt like a song with a few more layers to unpeel rather than 'what you hear on the first listen is all the song has to offer' which I feel with some of the previous songs. The second half of this album I start to lose some focus though, but I would say most of these songs are fine just a bit 'middle of the road'. Return to the Hangar kinda drives home the point of this album which is getting back to core of the band and I honestly feel like maybe this should just have been the album title? This would feel more fitting as a title track and it would also drive home the point of "we're getting back to a more classic Megadeth sound guys". I guess "The World Needs a Hero" might stand out more as a title but that song as a title track just felt a bit meh. The album ends off with the 9 minute When - which is their longest song so far in their discography (unless I'm wrong) and I actually quite like it. Maybe the fact it is 9 minutes gives the band more room to do things with the song but I actually thought it was pretty good even though it took me a few listens to keep up my focus going into the last few songs.

Overall I would say this album is what the young kids these days refer to as 'mid'. I wanted to be more excited about their return to metal but this just feels like a 2.5 rating out of 5 if there ever was one. A few good songs on here but most of these songs fall in that 'okay'-pile for me where I might like the intro riff, or a chorus, or a solo but not all of the elements so many of these songs have that 'if only the chorus was better' or 'that main riff just feels a bit boring'. For me this album doesn't manage to capture the heights of Rust in Peace or Peace Sells but it kinda captures the low points of like So Far So Good So What or Countdown/Youthanasia which for some people probably means they like this album a fair bit, for me it was very okay. The world needed a hero but this wasn't quite that. Next time we get to see if the System Has Failed or not. :P

Album rankings so far:

Rust in Peace
Peace Sells
Youthanasia
Countdown
Cryptic Writings
Killing is My Business and Business is Good
So Far So Good So What
The World Needs a Hero
Risk
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on November 26, 2022, 07:08:56 AM
I'm listening a lot to Megadeth the last 2 weeks, including this album.
Interesting you didn't comment on Recipe for Hate... Warhorse, I think it's amazing and the best song in the album.
This album is more mid tempo Megadeth, but it's a good and solid album. I think the clean production sucks out a bit its heaviness, but also highlights the great drum work (by the way, I love Moto Psycho chorus, the drumming is great there!)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on November 26, 2022, 07:14:18 AM
I'm listening a lot to Megadeth the last 2 weeks, including this album.
Interesting you didn't comment on Recipe for Hate... Warhorse, I think it's amazing and the best song in the album.
This album is more mid tempo Megadeth, but it's a good and solid album. I think the clean production sucks out a bit its heaviness, but also highlights the great drum work (by the way, I love Moto Psycho chorus, the drumming is great there!)

Recipe For Hate... Warhorse is another decent one for sure! The album isn't bad but I think for me the fact I have heard better from them just caps this one out at being 'okay'. I'll probably revisit this more often than Risk for example but when you have such great albums in your discography as Rust in Peace, Peace Sells, Youthanasia or Countdown, it just seems unlikely I will come back to this one much, outside from if I want to do a full discography re-listen or something. :p
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on November 26, 2022, 08:21:03 AM
I understand what you saying, it's really hard to compare anything to classic Megadeth, maybe only Endgame and the last one are truly at the same level. But Megadeth has a strong discography, with the all the albums varying from good to very good (maybe only Risk is clearly in a lower level, but I'm still not sure - I'll revisit it) and, in all the albums, there's always at least a couple of songs at their top quality.
By the way, about The World... I also love Silent Scorn/Return to Hangar.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on November 26, 2022, 05:55:58 PM
Looking at the bigger picture, the album wasn't exactly Megadeth's "return to metal," so much as it was Dave's realization to tell his management and other band members to STFU and let him do what he wants, for better or for worse.  They still had albums like Thirteen and Supercollider in their future, but at least he went back to writing heavier and faster riffs.  Hence the album cover, with Vic bursting out of his body.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on December 02, 2022, 02:31:23 AM
This week was spent with The System Has Failed (2004) and I'm here to talk about it.

Going into it I guess I had a mild concern that it would be a bumpy ride considering I wasn't big on Risk or The World Needs a Hero and for many bands, once you start getting into 'rough waters' it's surprisingly hard to get out. A lot of bands just seem to settle at a lower bar and they struggle to put out quality, but there are exceptions of course. And I didn't hate Risk or The World Needs a Hero just to clarify, but if you told me "It doesn't get better from this" then I would strongly reconsider the 'listen through the entire discography' journey as I still hope to find more solid stuff.

I would say almost right off the bat with Blackmail the Universe I'm on board and it's like showing up at a party where you don't know anyone but an old friend appears and puts his arm around you and says "You can stay around me tonight, it's cool". We get a pretty classic-Megadeth sounding guitar riff with a political voice sample intro and it feels like coming home. Die Dead Enough is another solid song and Kick the Chair has a great intro and high energy level. Really like this song. The Scorpion is another cool song followed by the slightly slower Tears in a Vial. But the energy picks up again with Back in the Day which has a nice quick riff and some pretty good drumming throughout as well. Getting into the final third or so of the album, Truth to be Told is another favorite and I also like Of Mice and Men a fair bit. There's other good songs I have not mentioned either but I genuinely don't have much complaints here, to me this is a very well rounded album and even though you could nitpick individual songs and maybe say "There's no Holy Wars or Hangar on here" I feel like as a collective of songs, it works well. The album also sounds pretty good IMO, at least it feels like a step up from the previous two.

So where do I land on this album? I would say pretty good. So far I kinda have the Megadeth albums in different blocks and while The System Has Failed doesn't quite match Youthanasia or Countdown for me, I would gladly slip it into the next tier with Killing is My Business and So Far So Good So What. While those albums might have a few standout songs that might beat anything from this album, I think in terms of an overall enjoyable listen, I might go for this album sooner than those. The debut still feels a bit raw to me (despite some great playing on it) and Anarchy in the UK really drags down SFSGSW for me and this album doesn't have a single song that I feel ruins the quality. In many ways I suppose this is what they tried to do with the previous album but IMO achieved better here. It's like classic Megadeth, maybe not as great but close enough. Like when you watch Die Hard 2 after the original. Yeah it's not as good but if you want more of that flavor, I think it does the job.

Next up we have United Abominations which will be interesting. I have heard it 2 or 3 times back around that time when it came out with 0 context for the band and I have not heard it since, but I do remember the remake of A Tout Le Monde with Cristina Scabbia (I am a fairly big Lacuna Coil fan) and I do remember the intro riff to Sleepwalker being pretty badass. For some reason I thought this album had the reputation of being a 'great return to form' but looking at some ratings sites, it is lower rated than The System Has Failed. I know that's all subjective so we'll see. Still very curious to hear this one! :)

The system may have failed but this album did not fail me or my expectations!  :hat
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2022, 03:30:50 AM
TSHF is probably a top 3 Megadeth album for me, love it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on December 02, 2022, 04:40:42 AM
TSHF is a really great album. I wasn't too into TWNAH as I felt it was trying to be Risk but heavier and felt super inauthentic, but System is definitely Dave doing his thing very well. Truth Be Told is a really overlooked standout track imo and there's really no bad moments.

UA is good too but I'd say there's maybe a few throwaway tracks and I don't know anyone who likes the ATLM remake.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on December 02, 2022, 07:50:19 AM
It's been a long time since I've listened to TSHF, but that's another record that pulls me back to where I was in 2004.  My wife and I had just started dating and I was making a long drive between my parents' house and her parents' house when she was home from school.  I can remember being on those roads and listening to the album in the car. 

You didn't touch on it in your write-up, but the record was originally going to be a Dave Mustaine solo album, however, he still had a contractual requirement and it became a Megadeth record.  It's definitely a return to form and I was excited that Megadeth was back after Dave disbanded them a few years earlier. 

The musicianship on the album is stellar, with Dave using session players for drums and bass, then inviting Poland back for leads.  The songs are great and have some full-on burners alongside really catchy songs like Die Dead Enough.  I think the worst part of the whole thing for me was that he poached Jimmy MacDonaugh from my favorite band, Iced Earth, to play bass on the tour.  Also of note was the live album they recorded in Argentina, which was where Dave wanted Rude Awakening to be recorded, but didn't want to fly overseas in the wake of 9/11.  That was the show where he announced to the crowd that Megadeth would continue forward as opposed to putting them to rest for good after filling his contractual obligation.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on December 09, 2022, 12:48:09 PM
Hey folks! I actually did not know about the previous album initially being a Mustaine solo album so that was an interesting read for sure. I did however dive into United Abominations (2007) this week and I'm here to share my thoughts on it. And again from what I read it seems like Mustaine is sort of making this with a new lineup and trying to 'reboot' the band on a new label, this time Roadrunner. And I actually think this album sounds very much in line with a mid-00's Roadrunner album for good and bad. I was also slightly familiar with this album like I mentioned in my last big post, my experience with it is basically I listened to it 2 or 3 times back in the day (maybe around '08 or '09) and I remember feeling positive enough about it where I didn't dislike it, but I suppose it was one of those things that fell by the wayside in my teenage years as I was branching out into a lot of things.

Sleepwalker was a song I remember being quite positive towards and the intro right away made me go "Oh yeah this riff" and I really like how that clean guitar interlude leads into the chugging riff. I don't know what the general consensus on the song is, but I think it's one of their better opening songs on an album so far. Sure I wouldn't put it above the classics (Holy Wars or Wake Up Dead for example) but I think it does its job very well as the album opener. Some great riffs, a pretty good and memorable chorus and I like the solo section as well. Washington is Next is another fine song with a particular riff that makes me think of a more sped up Wasted Years by Iron Maiden (but I also believe that riff is one of those classic copycat riffs where multiple bands have written something similar). The energy of the song is pretty great though and I do like the more modern sound of the album so far. For the most part on this album I actually feel forgiving about the weaknesses because there's things I like. For example the third song Never Walk Alone... A Call to Arms has a chorus I'm not in love with, but the chugging riffs and the fast paced solo makes me feel positive about it as a whole despite not loving the chorus. It's not bad but it's not amazing.

Gears of War is another song I like a fair bit. It's slower and less energetic than some other songs on here but as soon as that intro riff kicks in I can't help but headbang. The guitar tone is just great in my opinion. Blessed are the Dead provides a nice little breathing moment and I actually really like that rumbling bass that leads you in with just some guitar work on top of it during the verse. Play For Blood is another solid little song just under 4 minutes that has some great riffs in it. Don't have too much to say about it other than that. I guess we now arrive at the hot topic of the album, the remake of A Tout Le Monde, this time a bit more uptempo and featuring Cristina Scabbia of Lacuna Coil. A band I like a lot and I like her as a vocalist, but she feels kinda wasted here unfortunately. I guess Mustaine has a bit of a George Lucas in him of going back and trying to improve upon greatness but without achieving it, whether it's this song or the remastered albums sounding a bit rough. This is a remake of A Tout Le Monde and the song itself is a great one so you can't necessarily go wrong, but it's not as good as the original. For me, this sort of weird 'we took an old song and gave it some makeup and placed it in the middle of our new album' thinking isn't that great. I don't hate this like some others might do, but similar to the Anarchy in the UK being on SFSGSW, this 'remake' kinda takes me out of the album for a bit. I would just rather listen to other Megadeth songs, or Lacuna Coil, and not this.

Getting into the final stretch of the album we got another classic Megadeth splash of politics with Amerikhastan - a song title I'm not really too fond of but I enjoy the song for the most part. You're Dead starts off with some guitars that actually took me back to Holy Wars for a second (although not played as fast) but the song takes a different turn after that. I like this song though, the riff behind the chorus actually reminds me a bit of early Smashing Pumpkins but the solo section definitely picks up pace so you get both a little flavor of alt rock/grunge guitars and thrash in there. Burnt Ice is a song that took me a few spins to warm up to but I like how the song just seems to pick up more and more momentum as it goes and the frantic way in which it finishes. Today I learned this is actually the proper album closer but I listened to this album with the Led Zeppelin cover Out of the Tiles without realizing it was a cover. I know I'm way overdue for a Led Zeppelin discography listen beyond the classics and I might do that in 2023. However, upon learning that, it does make sense. Just from the start this song has a bit of a different vibe and it sounded almost too poppy or positive to be a Megadeth song.

Getting into the final verdict I must say I'm mostly pretty positive towards this one. The one concern I have is that five listens in, I'm not sure how many songs stand out individually aside from Sleepwalker, and I think of this mostly as a great chunk of songs. However maybe upon further revisits I will pick out favorites and go "Yeah this one is really great". When you listen to an album five days in a row, sometimes it's hard to find those individual moments because it all flows together pretty well. I do like the sound of this album and it's probably something that will get me back for future listens. I believe the next album Endgame is more of a fan favorite and maybe this album falls a bit to the wayside but I'm curious how you guys feel about it. Because I could understand people either loving it and having it in their top5 OR being more ambivalent towards it and having it a lot lower. I'm coming out of this with a good feeling for now and I think once I get through all their studio albums I might do a final re-listen of each album once to kinda get a final ranking. :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on December 09, 2022, 05:52:42 PM
I love United Abominations.  The band was BACK in my opinion - they had a pretty solid, stable lineup and wrote some really ripping songs.  I enjoyed the remake of A Tout Le Monde for what it was, but it will never be better than the original.  Sleepwalker and Washington is Next are awesome, and there are some nice heavy tracks like Gears of War.

I saw them open for Heaven and Hell in 2007 and they kicked a ton of ass and played  one of the most ripping sets that I've ever seen them play.  Ten songs, four of those ten from Rust in Peace, and all of them are absolute bangers and classics.  Since they were opening, they just went from one song straight into the next with just a second or two break in between.  Heaven and Hell was actually slightly boring after the frenzy that was Megadeth (especially in opening their set with the doomy After All the Dead) but I loved seeing them anyways.  This is still one of my top Megadeth shows that I've seen, as we didn't get the full live RIP for another few years, and I got to see about half of that album this night.

Sleepwalker
Take No Prisoners
Kick the Chair
Wake Up Dead
Hangar 18
Washington Is Next!
Symphony of Destruction
Tornado of Souls
Peace Sells
Encore:
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on December 10, 2022, 05:01:13 AM
Gears of War and Never Walk Alone are two really overlooked Megadeth songs that I really like. UA is a solid album but it just feels like it's missing something. You're accurate in that sounds like a solid chunk of songs with not too many standout moments but it's very listenable.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on December 17, 2022, 07:39:42 AM
Going into this week I was told by a friend who is into the band that this is their last great album, and while I'm conscious of the albums after this point getting a lot weaker reviews (generally speaking), there might still be some good things left. And if not, then at least we have Endgame (2009). So let's talk about it.

Right off the bat we start off with a proper instrumental intro song, something that's quite rare up until this point. They did it on SFSGSW, but every other album they've tried to go out with a bang and really hook you from the start. Having an intro song can both be a blessing and a curse depending on the execution IMO. If you have a great intro that leads into a great proper song, your album will have a really great start but if it falls flat then you end up with a lackluster beginning. In this case I have warmed up to the intro over these 5 listens. Initially I was on the fence - no strong feelings either positive or negative but it's only 2 ½ minutes and it leads wonderfully into This Day We Fight! and I think the execution is great. This song really feels like a more updated Rust in Peace/Peace Sells song, with that same level or energy and quality but with the more modernized sound to it. 44 Minutes is a pretty good follow up that provides something different than the energy of the previous song, and I always like when an album offers a different paced track around the 3rd/4th song in the tracklist.

But the album doesn't start slowing down and 1,320 has a great energy with some intense drumming and fast paced riffs and Bite the Hand is another great song with a nice chorus section I really dig. I can keep name dropping songs all day because most of these songs are pretty great in my opinion. Bodies is great, the title track is really awesome. The Hardest Part of Letting Go... Sealed With a Kiss is another awesome track that offers some variety with a pretty chill opening and some flourishes of almost oriental music splashed into a metal tune. Head Crusher is another great song that does pretty much what the title suggests, and I also have to mention the album closer The Right to Go Insane which opens with a groovy bassline before going into the main riff, and this is even one of my favorite songs from the album I think. What a great ride this album is.

My closing thoughts is that this feels like a culmination of things they had done before executed in a fantastic way. You have the energy of Rust in Peace and Peace Sells with some of these Endgame songs almost having the same level of quality as those masterpieces but you have kind of the best of the more modern production of the albums before this. I had a really good time with this album and I think honestly when it comes down to my final ranking, this album has a great shot at a potential top3 placement. Yeah you can argue for Youthanasia or Countdown also being great albums but Endgame - what a ride.

Got 4 albums left now though technically only 3 as I have listened to their newest one. I will do Th1rt3en this next week and hopefully I can post my thoughts on it before Christmas but then I might have to hold off on Super Collider until first week of 2023 because of the holidays. Or I go for a push and try to listen to all 3 albums next week with a minimum of 4-5 listens each - it could be doable as well. I don't have the greatest hopes based on what I have heard, and I've been told Super Collider is their worst by a margin (even by people saying Risk is very bad). Haven't really heard great things about the other two, but we shall see. Sometimes your opinion falls in line with others but there can be surprises as well. But yeah, loved Endgame!  :hat
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on December 17, 2022, 08:13:58 AM
Forgot to post about United Abominations, but it is a top three Megadeth album for me, I absolutely love it. It was the first album that came out after I'd become a fan, and I played it so damn much!

Washington is Next is also one of my all time favourite Megadeth songs, just class.

The follow up of Endgame is great. Although not quite as good as UA, for me, it's still damn good. These two back to back maybe the strongest Megadeth album one-two punch.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on January 02, 2023, 11:12:31 AM
Hope you guys had good holidays! I spent time with Th1rt3en (2011) before Christmas but did not have time to come in with an update until now, so here I am having freshly listened to it again to refamiliarize myself with it. Going into it I guess my expectations weren't necessarily super high, because the reputation for the album seems fairly mild compared to some other ones but if I was a fan of the band in 2011 I probably would have been very hyped because the band was coming off Endgame and this album also saw Ellefson coming back into the band.

This might not be as big of a write ups as some other albums but I would say I like it but I don't love it. It feels less energetic and thrash metal-y than Endgame did and for me this brings more the vibe of Countdown or Youthanasia (except not on the same level for me) but I will say a lot of it is good. I would definitely rather put this album on than The World Needs a Hero or Risk, the two albums that so far for me would be the bottom picks out of the bunch. A bunch of these songs fall in the bracket of 'good when I listen to them but I also kinda forget them afterwards' which might not be high praise but my thoughts on this album is pretty much that it's decent. As a reference point I went back and listened to Cryptic Writings afterwards because I hadn't heard that album since I checked it out and in my mind it had a similar 'good but not amazing' feel, and I must say I think I prefer that one.

I will definitely revisit this one though and it has some good songs on it, but it also doesn't etch itself stuck in my memory in any way. Still, for a band that was almost 30 years into their career at this point, I will say that despite my fairly lukewarm (but positive) thoughts on this album, I will say that it fares pretty decently compared to what other bands from the same time were putting out 30 years into their career. But I'm curious to hear what you guys think of this album, it feels like an album I would have more to say about if I was a fan when it came out. Coming off a pretty decent 3 album run with The System Has Failed - United Abominations - Endgame, was this considered on par with those or a disappointment?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on January 02, 2023, 12:26:00 PM
I recall that Thirteen was generally seen as a disappointment.  Four of the songs had been previously released - New World Order lacks the punch of the demo, which originally had Nick Menza's drumming, and was something Shawn Drover was never going to live up to.  Millennium of the Blind was a bonus track on the Youthanasia reissue and Sudden Death was in one of the Guitar Hero games.

I had the feeling that they just scrounged some some older tunes and riffs and threw together a record.  Coming off of the heavy and thrashy Endgame, this disc bores me.  Black Swan is my favorite song on the disc. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 02, 2023, 02:35:47 PM
Yeah, it's very average.  I can't even remember anything about it truthfully.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on January 02, 2023, 03:16:50 PM
Yeah, it's very average.  I can't even remember anything about it truthfully.
I remember Deadly nightshade, it's pretty cool. Other than that, everything else I remember is because I dislike what it is that I remember. I do not enjoy this album, it's offensively generic. ;D
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 02, 2023, 03:58:28 PM
I just find 13 so uninspired. True, the two albums preceeding it were absolute bangers, but yea, it was disappointing to say the least.

I'm pretty sure I downloaded 13 around the same time as Heritage by Opeth and The Hunter by Mastodon. Fuck that was a disappointing time, I didn't know what was happening to my favourite bands  :lol

For Megadeth albums that get slated, I'd take Risk, The System Has Failed and Super Collider over 13, any fucking day.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 02, 2023, 04:03:27 PM
I just find 13 so uninspired. True, the two albums preceeding it were absolute bangers, but yea, it was disappointing to say the least.

I'm pretty sure I downloaded 13 around the same time as Heritage by Opeth and The Hunter by Mastodon. Fuck that was a disappointing time, I didn't know what was happening to my favourite bands  :lol

For Megadeth albums that get slated, I'd take Risk, The System Has Failed and Super Collider over 13, any fucking day.

I tried the Hunter again just the other day, don't understand the hype surrounding it.

Also, TSHF is completely in a different tier than the other 3, no comparison.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on January 03, 2023, 01:06:54 AM
Yeah, wait, TSHF got slated? I assume that was because of the line up, because the music on it is brilliant.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: soupytwist on January 03, 2023, 02:55:12 AM
I just find 13 so uninspired. True, the two albums preceeding it were absolute bangers, but yea, it was disappointing to say the least.

I'm pretty sure I downloaded 13 around the same time as Heritage by Opeth and The Hunter by Mastodon. Fuck that was a disappointing time, I didn't know what was happening to my favourite bands  :lol

For Megadeth albums that get slated, I'd take Risk, The System Has Failed and Super Collider over 13, any fucking day.

I tried the Hunter again just the other day, don't understand the hype surrounding it.

Also, TSHF is completely in a different tier than the other 3, no comparison.

The World Needs a Hero is the one I'd personally rank in the bottom tier alongside Risk and Super Collider.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on January 03, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
I might do all the remaining albums this week because I already am familiar with the most recent one and I've been doing both Super Collider and Dystopia (and will continue to spin them a few times). Having thought about it some more I do feel I sounded more positive than maybe I intended when writing about Th1rt3en, I do kinda agree it's nothing special. I would still probably take it over Risk and The World Needs a Hero but that's about it. Not that it's awful but just doesn't have the standout tracks you want.

But I guess a teaser for Super Collider and my write up that will come in a few days - this is even worse so far IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2023, 02:28:57 PM
So the Kings of Thrash are coming to my local concert venue, wondering if I should check them out.  If you aren't aware, this is the band of former Megadeth members David Ellefson and Jeff Young and they are performing "Killing Is My Business… And Business Is Good!" and "So Far, So Good… So What!" in full at these shows. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2023, 02:31:27 PM
So the Kings of Thrash are coming to my local concert venue, wondering if I should check them out.  If you aren't aware, this is the band of former Megadeth members David Ellefson and Jeff Young and they are performing "Killing Is My Business… And Business Is Good!" and "So Far, So Good… So What!" in full at these shows.

How much are they charging?  To be honest, they would have to pay me to go.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2023, 02:54:53 PM
So the Kings of Thrash are coming to my local concert venue, wondering if I should check them out.  If you aren't aware, this is the band of former Megadeth members David Ellefson and Jeff Young and they are performing "Killing Is My Business… And Business Is Good!" and "So Far, So Good… So What!" in full at these shows.

How much are they charging?  To be honest, they would have to pay me to go.

$30 before fees
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 04, 2023, 02:57:32 PM
That't not that bad......I guess.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: billboy73 on January 05, 2023, 08:08:41 AM
I watched some of the Youtube clips out there on Kings of Thrash, not that long ago, and it sounded pretty good.  I would definitely go to a show if it was near me.

On Thirteen (not gonna bother with the weird spelling), yes I know it has a few re-recorded tracks, and they are good, but overall I really liked this one when it came out.  It is definitely not up to par with Endgame, but I put it about even with United Abominations.  Nothing spectacular, but a fairly solid Megadeth album.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on January 05, 2023, 10:34:24 AM
I've been putting in some double time with Megadeth this week as I'm wrapping up my discography listen, and I think after I'm done I will take a breather and revisit these albums a bit jumping back and forward and then maybe in a few weeks I'll do a album ranking and maybe throw in a top10/15 favorite songs or something like that as well. It will be cool to be able to jump back and forth and compare the albums and when you know where the band went later in the career it might make you appreciate an album more or less depending on the situation. There's still 3 albums left for me to talk about though and let's start with Super Collider (2013).

So the first thing I was interested in when going into this album was similar to Risk - "Is this really as bad as its reputation?". Because just across rating sites like Rateyourmusic or Sputnikmusic, this has a horrifically low rating. Even lower than Risk on both sites and Risk - no matter how you feel about it, always seems to be a top pick on those "Bad albums by good bands"-lists you sometimes see. And people think this is even worse? I even asked a friend who likes the band and he said "Yeah it's bad". And I guess to the credit of Risk - an album I still don't like very much, at least it went for a different sound so even though it wasn't great in my opinion, you can still dismiss the lower rating with "they tried something different and it didn't work". But at least to my knowledge, Super Collider was pretty much a Megadeth-sounding album which made the general low opinion on it interesting.

Right from the start I think Kingmaker is actually not that bad. Yeah it's no Holy Wars but it's decent and it's not the worst opener I've heard so far in their discography or anything. The sound of the mix and production seems fine? But as the album continues from this track, the issues becomes more obvious to me. The song writing is not great, most of these riffs sound really mundane, the solos aren't very memorable and some of the lyrics are flat out bad. The appearance of David Draiman of Disturbed kinda sums up this whole album for me because similar to Disturbed, it sounds very generic metal to me. I mean don't get me wrong I enjoyed the first 3 Disturbed albums when I heard them as a teenager but after that they kinda got more generic and Super Collider is really no different in that regard to me.

I struggle to find much positive to say which might disappoint anyone here who is a defender of this album, but for me it just lacks magic. I was re-listening to Cryptic Writings that I actually quite like, and I know some people's criticism of that album is "The first song is good but the rest is meh" and that's pretty much what I feel about Super Collider. It starts off alright but then just gets worse. I would be surprised if this doesn't end up as my bottom pick when all is said and done. But yeah if anyone here shares my dislike for the album or someone happens to like it, I would be curious to hear those thoughts too. :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on January 05, 2023, 11:03:09 AM
I consider Super Collider to be worse than Risk and is probably my least favorite album of theirs.  I dug Risk over time, even though it wasn't a really heavy record.  Dave sang his ass off and the songs were still very catchy.  Super Collider has little value as a Megadeth record, and I remember Ellefson had some comments about it being like "Risk 2" and once the reviews came in, was saying "oh, here we go again....". 

Kingmaker and the cover of Cold Sweat have been the only songs I usually go back to, but I will say that over the past few weeks, I've been listening to Forget to Remember a lot.  The song was about Dave's mother in law's battle with Alzheimer's and dementia, combined with some ambiguous relationship-like lyrics.  My mom has Alzheimer's and the past 6 months have been a very big down-turn and she just went into a memory care facility since she can't live at home with my dad anymore.  The song means a lot more to me now than it did when the album was released. 

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 05, 2023, 11:23:43 AM
I think with songs like the title track and especially Blackest Crow Dave was trying something different and I really like those plus a couple of other songs. Therefore I think it's better than Risk. Middle of the road record all in all.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on January 05, 2023, 11:49:37 AM
I consider Super Collider to be worse than Risk and is probably my least favorite album of theirs.  I dug Risk over time, even though it wasn't a really heavy record.  Dave sang his ass off and the songs were still very catchy.  Super Collider has little value as a Megadeth record, and I remember Ellefson had some comments about it being like "Risk 2" and once the reviews came in, was saying "oh, here we go again....". 

Kingmaker and the cover of Cold Sweat have been the only songs I usually go back to, but I will say that over the past few weeks, I've been listening to Forget to Remember a lot.  The song was about Dave's mother in law's battle with Alzheimer's and dementia, combined with some ambiguous relationship-like lyrics.  My mom has Alzheimer's and the past 6 months have been a very big down-turn and she just went into a memory care facility since she can't live at home with my dad anymore.  The song means a lot more to me now than it did when the album was released.

Pretty much my opinion on SC also. I think Risk actually beats a few Megadeth albums (13, SC, TWNAH, KIMB) and don't consider it bad at all. From SC, Kingmaker is awesome though Dave has a bug up his ass about the intro which he said Ellefson tacked on to get a writing credit and it's "pointless", though he can't seem to explain why he did the exact same type of intro on The Threat Is Real but that's somehow "not pointless". Cold Sweat is also the other highlight. Built For War has a cool rhythm too but the rest of the songs just seem a bit too middle of the road. The riff at the end of Dance is great though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on January 06, 2023, 12:39:11 AM
This is one good hard rock album. Of the streak from UA up to and including Dystopia, this is probably my favorite one. You can hear Dave Mustaine is actually interested in his own music, rather than going through the motions and delivering a fan requested Rust in peace follow up.

Forget to remember, Begining of sorrow, Kingmaker, Built for war are all great. I don't mind the title track either, and any album that contains a Thin Lizzy cover gets a nod from me.  :tup

Of course, after this, Dave would chicken out and release an album of "look, we are still metal!" songs.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on January 06, 2023, 03:16:08 AM
This is a Megadeth album I never go back to, but I thought it was somewhat decent.  Didn't think it deserved the hating it got.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on January 06, 2023, 06:15:00 AM
While Super Collider isn't Megadeth at its best, it's still a good album, with Kingmaker being a modern classic (just look how many times is still played at Megadeth shows) and Dance in the Rain and The Blackest Crow being truly great IMO. And Cold Sweat is indeed an excellent cover!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: billboy73 on January 06, 2023, 07:41:55 AM
Super Collider for me was mostly in one ear and out the other.  The title track is not good.  Outside of a few of the other tracks nothing ever stuck with me.  I agree that it doesn't deserve the hate it gets, and it wasn't really like another risk or anything.  It's just kinda there for me, maybe one day it will click and I'll enjoy more of it...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on January 06, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
Before I get into the album itself, let's just quickly talk about the album cover of Dystopia (2016). Just an observation from my side, and this might have been talked about in this thread already, but I found it interesting how the album cover (and title) has some resemblance to The Astonishing with the dystopian setting, those floating orb robots and the city in the background, and I just thought it was funny how both these albums were released in the same month of the same year, just a week apart. Not saying there's any bigger connection but it was just a thought I had when I looked at the cover. Some of the more modern Megadeth album covers are a bit hit or miss with me but I would say this one is probably up there among the better ones, at least to me.

So at this point, getting towards the end of the band's career (so far) it's quite easy to notice a certain pattern that happened a few times through their discography. They put out some thrash metal albums to build momentum, it graduates and becomes something different (whether that's heavy metal or hard rock) and they find themselves in a spot where Mustaine hits the reset button and they kinda go back to what worked before. I can see this album maybe splitting the fans because on one hand it is very much a 'more of the same' safe Megadeth album that goes for a more energetic sound, but on the other hand that also makes it fair game to compare it to Rust in Peace or Peace Sells for example, as the bar is quite high. But mild spoiler, I quite enjoyed my time with this album and I would probably say it's their best album post-Endgame.

The Threat is Real is a pretty good opener and you can tell there's some energy left in the tank. They got a new guitarist this time (Kiko Louireiro) and I don't know the specifics of how much he brought and how much Mustaine did, I'm sure you guys will tell me, but I'd like to think that getting a fresh guitarist in and listening to this album with the finished product, there probably was some influence there. At the very least maybe Mustaine felt he had to up his game. One issue I've had with the more recent Megadeth albums is that picking out standout songs has been getting harder and the albums are almost more enjoyable as a listening experience than "let me go back to this song and listen to it", but I do find myself enjoying most of this album. There's some different elements to songs that I like, the title track has a different vibe to the opening track, Fatal Illusion has some groovy bass stuff. I also quite like the drums on this album.

On the negative side you can throw in complaints here that you can apply to some of the other modern albums as well. Questionable quality of the lyrics, and even though I like this album overall, if I'm being honest most of these songs have that 'more of the same' vibe where the band has done these songs better in the past and this is kinda just like going to Mcdonalds for the 15th time. But for whatever reason, I do find myself being more pleasantly surprised by this one than some of the previous ones. I think I'm okay with it not being one of their best albums or anything because I still see myself revisiting it in the future. I mean it's the band's 15th album and when you put that into context of other band discographies, does it really fare that badly? I don't think so.

I'll come back and do my write up on The Sick, the Dying & the Dead either tomorrow or Sunday because I want to listen to it again (it's been months). But get your thoughts in on Dystopia and I'll read them. :)


Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on January 06, 2023, 12:55:36 PM
I love this album and I think your take is pretty dead on - Super Collider tanks and the band goes back to what fans want to hear from them.  Immediately prior to this album, Dave tried to reunite the Rust in Peace lineup, and it flamed out.  Ellefson actually took the hit on that and claims to have pulled the plug by telling Mustaine that it just wasn't going to work - Nick or Marty wanted too much money.  Fans started blaming Mustaine being a control freak and Ellefson said "wait, this was my decision and I advised Dave."  I thought that was a pretty stand-up thing to do, given that he remained a hired gun in the band.

You did leave out that Chris Adler (Lamb of God) played drums and the band credits him for putting them in a mindset by using this mantra of "My Megadeth."  While writing with the band, Chris would say "my Megadeth would do this, or my Megadeth would not do that."  I loved that and it makes me think of my own favorite lineup/era of Megadeth, which will always be that Youthanasia period.  Everyone has their own "my Megadeth."

Chris kicked ass on the drums and helped guide them towards that old-school style again.  I don't mind when Dave wants to stretch his wings with songwriting, but this style is always when Megadeth is at their best.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 06, 2023, 01:19:34 PM
Chris Adler was also brought in on drums for Dystopia, which massively helped. I personally love this album and its definitely one of their best. I think Dave was in a better place at this point in his career, where he could actually work alongside other musicians and dial back the control.

I'm sure I read that Adler wanted to make what he considered a Megadeth album. During the recording process he was basically just giving Dave his opinion on whether this bit sounded "Megadeth" or that bit sounded "Megadeth".

I always felt that worked to help make this a tighter, more focused record. Yes, there's nothing really new here but I feel it brought back some of the classic Megadeth magic, at least for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on January 06, 2023, 01:25:11 PM
Yes I forgot to mention Chris Adler (though I did mention I really liked the drums)! But hearing about his impact on the writing as well, that's pretty cool. I don't really know Lamb of God much at all but maybe I should check them out just out of curiosity.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Zantera on January 07, 2023, 11:27:57 AM
It's been a long journey going through these studio albums and talking about them with you guys but we finally arrived at the final stop for now. I'm still toying with the idea of doing side content as well, like Hidden Treasures (the B-sides that I think was originally around Youthanasia?), maybe doing some of the live albums, and maybe there's other content like EPs or a 'treasure chest' type release that has content worth hearing that's not on the official studio albums. You guys can fill me in, I know about Hidden Treasures and a few live albums (Rude Awakening & the one in Buenos Aires for example) but that's about it. But yeah let's get to the topic at hand for now.

The Sick, the Dying... and the Dead! (2022) was actually what got me started on this little journey. Megadeth had been one of hundred bands on my never ending "Need to check out"-list, and I think some of you can relate to just putting something off for weeks, months, years and sometimes you never get around to it. 2022 was a very productive year for me and I actually listened to 150 albums from that year which is about 3 new albums per week. This album didn't necessarily stand out in the crowd and I actually had it in the #110 spot so it wasn't that high, but if anything it pushed me to start from the beginning because when you hear a new album by a band you have been missing out on, it makes you curious to go back and hear the classic stuff - the albums people talk about and cherish. So I heard this album back in September when it came out, and I listened to it maybe 5 times and after that is when I started from the beginning. So yeah, I'm completing the circle by coming back to it now, after hearing the other 15 albums.

We're 6 years past the point of Dystopia and I can only imagine Covid played some part in that gap, but I also know about the firing of Ellefson and Mustaine had throat cancer I believe, so it was almost like the world was working against the band ever putting this album out. First we get the title track and I actually struggle to have a firm opinion on this track. I think parts of it are decent but there's a weird break kinda halfway through when it goes into a calm section and it feels unexpected in ways but I'm not sure it works for me. Life in Hell has some nice energy to it and even though Mustaine's age is showing in his voice, I feel instrumentally he delivers pretty decently for his age. Night Stalkers also has some high paced energy though I'm not sure what Ice-T is doing here or what he adds. I should mention the drums are pretty good and I know some of Dirk's work with Devin Townsend and I think he does a pretty good job here.

It's funny because my favorite song by a decent margin after those initial listens was This Planet's On Fire (Burn in Hell) and I didn't know it was a Sammy Hagar cover until later, but it does have a different vibe to many of the other songs so I guess it's not that hard to hear when you know about it. I still think it's a catchy song and a good cover. But I think I like it a bit more because a lot of this album feels like they're going for one particular vibe and it gets a bit ran into the ground for me. Lots of high energy songs that have some good riffs but where the songwriting feels a bit lacking. Out of the proper new Megadeth songs I think my favorite is We'll Be Back which is actually the closer and I like the song and that it's sort of a message to the fans that the band isn't done. Overall though this album reminds me a bit of Thirteen (I refuse to type out the proper spelling) where most of it is decent but lacks a bigger number of standout songs for me to rate it higher. It's their 16th album and it wouldn't be in their bottom 3 for me so I consider that pretty good for such a late career album.

Curious what you guys think about it though. :)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on January 07, 2023, 04:28:51 PM
Has been great reading all these albeit from the sidelines, had intended to comment before now but life got a little busy there at the end of 2022...

Anyway TSTDATD (if I'm honest am not a fan of that title) is IMO a more consistent spin than Dystopia and it peaks just a little more often.  For my ears the title track is reminiscent of Dystopia's title track in that they have that tasty old-school Megadeth vibe but agree the soft section was unnecessary and kills its momentum and comes in way too soon.  I think the inclusion of Ice-T was just for kicks (my youngest was recounting his involvement and referred to him as Bubble Tea which I thought fair and gotta love the innocence of youth 😁) but there's a swag of good material here such as personal faves Soldier On, Killing Time and Well Be Back and after all the shit life had thrown Dave in the previous years, he sounds good his/their playing is on fire and TSTDATD has turned out a win for him and us fans.

Probably my fave 'Deth this side of 2000 (and love that cover art too, very tasty)

Good fun reading thanks for the write-ups \m/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on February 07, 2023, 05:24:37 AM
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I've read somewhere that Marty Friedman will be playing as a guess on this show.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on February 07, 2023, 05:27:04 AM
Here:
https://metalinjection.net/news/marty-friedman-rumored-to-join-megadeth-on-stage-in-japan-next-month
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: billboy73 on February 07, 2023, 09:15:14 AM
Would definitely be cool to see Marty play with Dave again, even if just on a song or 2.  I just hope they play at least a few songs they haven't played in a bit.  When I saw them last May they played Dread and the Fugitive Mind, Angry Again, and The Conjuring, which was nice.  Hopefully they will pull a bit more from the vaults for this, especially if Marty really is going to make an appearance.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2023, 10:29:31 AM
I wouldn't imagine him being on a lot of songs.  But a three song run of 2 classics and 1 deep cut/rarity would be nice. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on February 07, 2023, 11:02:24 AM
I wouldn't imagine him being on a lot of songs.  But a three song run of 2 classics and 1 deep cut/rarity would be nice.

Being realistic and also optimistic, it's also what I'm hoping for.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 08, 2023, 07:05:41 AM
Seems Dave needs to open his wallet

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/megadeth-sued-the-sick-the-dying-and-the-dead-cover-art-1235320010/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2023, 08:34:09 AM
Not necessarily.  Just became someone filed a lawsuit doesn't mean they will win said lawsuit.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on February 08, 2023, 09:08:12 AM
I would say that the artist should have made sure that a contract signed prior to submitting his final artwork to the band. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 08, 2023, 10:17:31 AM
I would say that the artist should have made sure that a contract signed prior to submitting his final artwork to the band.

Yep, but also if you have been inquired about it multiple times and haven’t provided payment then you are liable, I think
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 08, 2023, 04:58:01 PM
I would say that the artist should have made sure that a contract signed prior to submitting his final artwork to the band.

Indeed.  Pretty rookie error here.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 09, 2023, 07:18:37 AM
But then again, why would a serious corporation like Megadeth not contact the artist regarding the payment? Something's fishy about this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: faizoff on February 13, 2023, 09:39:12 PM
I wouldn't imagine him being on a lot of songs.  But a three song run of 2 classics and 1 deep cut/rarity would be nice. 

It does appear to be 3 songs at the encore

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/megadeth-marty-friedman-reunion-1234678726/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/megadeth-marty-friedman-reunion-1234678726/)
Quote

"Friedman will join the band, which includes current lead guitarist Kiko Loureiro, for three songs for the gig’s encore."
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: billboy73 on February 28, 2023, 09:13:27 AM
So they played Countdown to Extinction (title track), Tornado of Souls, and Symphony of Destruction with Marty.  I knew Tornado would be in there.  At least they played a rarity in Countdown.

I was hoping for Crush 'Em  ;D  JK!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on February 28, 2023, 09:18:47 AM
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 28, 2023, 11:48:42 AM
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.

Because people go to hear those classic songs.

How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?

To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.

So to sell tickets, you play these songs.

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2023, 11:50:49 AM
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.

Because people go to hear those classic songs.

How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?

To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.

So to sell tickets, you play these songs.

Megadeth don't have a freebird.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 28, 2023, 12:04:25 PM
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.

Because people go to hear those classic songs.

How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?

To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.

So to sell tickets, you play these songs.

Megadeth don't have a freebird.

Oh yes they do...

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 28, 2023, 12:25:35 PM
Maybe nothing that rises quite to the level of Freebird, but I think that getting that specific misses the point in that they definitely do have some hits and some songs fans expect to hear at shows.  I think most fans expect to hear most of the following at almost every show:
-Peace Sells
-Hangar 18
-Tornado of Souls
-Holy Wars
-Symphony of Destruction
-A Tout Le Monde
-Almost Honest
-Trust
And you could probably add Sweating Bullets, Angry Again, and She-Wolf as the next tier.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2023, 12:50:12 PM
Yeah, they have "hits" but no freebird.  My point (by pointing that out) it's a bad example.

Most bands still can squeze new songs in and play the "hits" but for some reason, Megadeth isn't doing that.

Even Def Leppard are playing 3 new songs and all the hits on their tour.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on February 28, 2023, 01:14:48 PM
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.

Because people go to hear those classic songs.

How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?

To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.

So to sell tickets, you play these songs.

I hear this excuse all the time from fans who refuse to hold bands accountable for some reason. You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out? I refuse to see them because it’s the same songs every time so they're losing ticket sales to that.

They have 5 must-play songs at most - Peace Sells, Holy Wars, Symphony, Hangar, and Trust. They could easily fill in the rest with new songs and different back catalog songs but they choose not to. Probably because Dave doesn’t feel like practicing anymore so he plays songs he can do in his sleep.

If he wants to hang with Metallica so bad, at least do what they do and throw some rarities in for diehard fans.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 28, 2023, 01:25:36 PM
I actually think Peace sells, Holy wars and Symphony are the only songs that are a "must." As much as casual fans might want to hear Trust, She-wolf, Sweating bullets and A tout le monde, they'd probably enjoy In my darkest hour, Take no prisoners, Skin o my teeth and A Secret place just as much.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on February 28, 2023, 01:45:13 PM
I hear this excuse all the time from fans who refuse to hold bands accountable for some reason.

It isn't an "excuse" and has nothing to do with "holding bands accountable."  Honestly, the idea of "holding bands accountable" is incredibly presumptuous and silly.  I think most bands would roll their eyes and laugh at that take, and wouldn't be concerned at all about losing an album/ticket sale here and there from the random self-appointed sheriff of band accountability. 

You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out?

No, he isn't telling you that.  Why don't you read and respond to what he actually did tell you?


Anyway, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.  Most bands are going to have a continuing list of "go to" songs that they play almost every show, and feel like they "have to" play them over and over.  That's just the way it is and most of us would admit that, if we're being honest.

The other side of the coin is that a lot of fans, especially those that have stuck with a band for a long time and buy almost everything and/or go to a lot of shows, want to hear some deep cuts and some songs off of whatever new album.  It can feel pretty lame when a band doesn't acknowledge that. 

The real trick is finding the balance in between.  Some bands barely try.  Queensryche is one that comes to mind, and it's frustrating.  Maiden perhaps do it better than just about anybody.  But even they get criticism because you just can't please everybody.  And as that applies here, yeah, I agree that playing only 2 songs off the new album is lame.  If you are going to put out a new album, stand by it and play a decent portion of it.  But Ben is also correct that it's perfectly understandable for a band to have a "must play" list as well, whether die hards agree with it or not.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2023, 02:00:43 PM
I agree about finding the balance, but Megadeth have not done that IMO.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned in this thread last summer that I thought their setlist was pretty poor considering they played 1 new song from an album that was already released at that point and had some good fan response to it.  I purposely did not buy the album because I felt what's the point if they aren't playing the music even though I have liked what I heard from the album.  That was my personal way of showing my lack of support for them based on their set list.  DTA expressed his own way of showing no support due to this.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 28, 2023, 02:14:35 PM
Yeah, they have "hits" but no freebird.  My point (by pointing that out) it's a bad example.

Most bands still can squeze new songs in and play the "hits" but for some reason, Megadeth isn't doing that.

Even Def Leppard are playing 3 new songs and all the hits on their tour.

Does new songs mean newest album or recent releases?

Megadeth are playing songs from recent albums, plus the hits. They played 5 more recent songs in a set of 15 in Japan the other night. And if you include all of those 8 songs, so that the casual and newer fans who are attending their first Megadeth show, can hear the "hits" being played, that's about 13 songs out of 15 allowing 2 extra other songs to be played.

What it seems like Megadeth are doing is still touring under the production and show of Dystopia, while also integrating a few newer songs into the Dystopia related set.



Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 28, 2023, 02:16:14 PM
I agree about finding the balance, but Megadeth have not done that IMO.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned in this thread last summer that I thought their setlist was pretty poor considering they played 1 new song from an album that was already released at that point and had some good fan response to it.  I purposely did not buy the album because I felt what's the point if they aren't playing the music even though I have liked what I heard from the album.  That was my personal way of showing my lack of support for them based on their set list.  DTA expressed his own way of showing no support due to this.

This sounds like the reason why Godsmack decided not to make any new albums anymore, and are now a touring band that plays from the catalog they already have under their belt. I mean, what's the point right? If they're not going to play newer songs, then why bother making new albums...

Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cfmoran13 on February 28, 2023, 04:49:27 PM
You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out?

That's exactly what Paul Stanley has been telling us for the past 20 years.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: cramx3 on February 28, 2023, 06:11:59 PM
Yeah, they have "hits" but no freebird.  My point (by pointing that out) it's a bad example.

Most bands still can squeze new songs in and play the "hits" but for some reason, Megadeth isn't doing that.

Even Def Leppard are playing 3 new songs and all the hits on their tour.

Does new songs mean newest album or recent releases?

Megadeth are playing songs from recent albums, plus the hits. They played 5 more recent songs in a set of 15 in Japan the other night. And if you include all of those 8 songs, so that the casual and newer fans who are attending their first Megadeth show, can hear the "hits" being played, that's about 13 songs out of 15 allowing 2 extra other songs to be played.

What it seems like Megadeth are doing is still touring under the production and show of Dystopia, while also integrating a few newer songs into the Dystopia related set.

New, to me, means recent.  As in specifically for a band, the album they are touring in support of usually.  I do agree with that last sentence, which is likely the problem here.  At least for me.  Also, I'm sure some want to see the deep cuts more than me, I just want to see the new music that people seem to really like.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 28, 2023, 06:15:09 PM
You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out?

That's exactly what Paul Stanley has been telling us for the past 20 years.

Going on 30 years, actually.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 28, 2023, 06:33:45 PM
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.

Because people go to hear those classic songs.

How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?

To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.

So to sell tickets, you play these songs.

You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out?


They are the less likely to also not buy a ticket because the vocals suck, if all they care about is hearing that "hit" song.

Look, I do wish bands would play whatever the hell they wanted to without worrying about whether it'd go well with the audience or not. But, I also understand why bands choose to play the same songs every single tour.


Yeah, they have "hits" but no freebird.  My point (by pointing that out) it's a bad example.

Most bands still can squeze new songs in and play the "hits" but for some reason, Megadeth isn't doing that.

Even Def Leppard are playing 3 new songs and all the hits on their tour.

Does new songs mean newest album or recent releases?

Megadeth are playing songs from recent albums, plus the hits. They played 5 more recent songs in a set of 15 in Japan the other night. And if you include all of those 8 songs, so that the casual and newer fans who are attending their first Megadeth show, can hear the "hits" being played, that's about 13 songs out of 15 allowing 2 extra other songs to be played.

What it seems like Megadeth are doing is still touring under the production and show of Dystopia, while also integrating a few newer songs into the Dystopia related set.
Also, I'm sure some want to see the deep cuts more than me, I just want to see the new music that people seem to really like.

Yes, and the new music being played I expect them to play more of when they tour to specifically promote that album. Remember, some bands are still trying to tour their pre-covid shows and are also trying to hit as many places as possible. Megadeth wanted to make something special for the Japan fans, and decided to share it with the world, which was having Marty Friedman guest on a few songs.

It's fantastic getting to hear Countdown to Extinction and also with the dual guitar harmonies, from the one vid I saw, I felt that was what was missing from it.

Bands playing new music is why I am a bit upset that Queensryche is not coming here either (I am not blaming the band either, more so our promoters seem to not be making some wise decisions, and maybe the bands do not agree with the venue policies, who knows) and it seems like the band may decide to play a lot more recent songs in their set this time.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2023, 06:55:50 AM
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.

Because people go to hear those classic songs.

How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?

To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.

So to sell tickets, you play these songs.

I hear this excuse all the time from fans who refuse to hold bands accountable for some reason. You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out? I refuse to see them because it’s the same songs every time so they're losing ticket sales to that.

They have 5 must-play songs at most - Peace Sells, Holy Wars, Symphony, Hangar, and Trust. They could easily fill in the rest with new songs and different back catalog songs but they choose not to. Probably because Dave doesn’t feel like practicing anymore so he plays songs he can do in his sleep.

If he wants to hang with Metallica so bad, at least do what they do and throw some rarities in for diehard fans.

I don't know if one is MORE important than the other, but there are far more of the former than the latter.  Ask any club band that used to play arenas.  Ask Genesis.   I remember being on the Genesis board (well, it might have been over at Mike's old place) and the rumors were abound that Pete was going to do some Lamb shows.  And some dude was all "there's not a stadium big enough to hold the fans that would see that show!!!".  Pete bailed, and they promptly booked 20 European stadia and about 20 US stadia and went out as a three piece.  The Lamb show would barely fill theaters. 

I have a concert buddy I go to many shows with (Marc has met him) and we sort of switch off; if he wants to see someone bad enough I'll go if I know the hits.  Vice versa.  He's gone with me twice to see Ace Frehley and doesn't give a rat's ass about "Hard Times" from Dynasty.   I would argue that Kiss is still playing arenas and bigger amphitheaters because you're guaranteed to hear Love Gun, Detroit Rock City and Rock and Roll All Nite, not side two of The Elder.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 01, 2023, 11:58:13 AM
Cool addition with CTE, but otherwise it's the same stupid setlist over and over again. They released a new album last year that everyone loves and still only two songs are being played from it. I just don't get it.

Because people go to hear those classic songs.

How would you feel if you had seen Lynyrd Skynyrd and they didn't play Free Bird?

To different people, each of those songs can be that person's Free Bird.

So to sell tickets, you play these songs.

I hear this excuse all the time from fans who refuse to hold bands accountable for some reason. You’re telling me the fan who only knows the popular songs is more important to please and willing to buy tickets than the fan who knows every song/album inside out? I refuse to see them because it’s the same songs every time so they're losing ticket sales to that.

They have 5 must-play songs at most - Peace Sells, Holy Wars, Symphony, Hangar, and Trust. They could easily fill in the rest with new songs and different back catalog songs but they choose not to. Probably because Dave doesn’t feel like practicing anymore so he plays songs he can do in his sleep.

If he wants to hang with Metallica so bad, at least do what they do and throw some rarities in for diehard fans.

I don't know if one is MORE important than the other, but there are far more of the former than the latter.  Ask any club band that used to play arenas.  Ask Genesis.   I remember being on the Genesis board (well, it might have been over at Mike's old place) and the rumors were abound that Pete was going to do some Lamb shows.  And some dude was all "there's not a stadium big enough to hold the fans that would see that show!!!".  Pete bailed, and they promptly booked 20 European stadia and about 20 US stadia and went out as a three piece.  The Lamb show would barely fill theaters. 

I have a concert buddy I go to many shows with (Marc has met him) and we sort of switch off; if he wants to see someone bad enough I'll go if I know the hits.  Vice versa.  He's gone with me twice to see Ace Frehley and doesn't give a rat's ass about "Hard Times" from Dynasty.   I would argue that Kiss is still playing arenas and bigger amphitheaters because you're guaranteed to hear Love Gun, Detroit Rock City and Rock and Roll All Nite, not side two of The Elder.

The former are also less likely not to go due to some minor complaints of the band.

What I do for bands I do enjoy, but also want to see other songs is look on Setlist fm and then if the set looks interesting enough I'll go. There were times where I didn't go and then they played some songs that I really wanted to hear and won't likely hear again from them.

I wanted to buy these tickets for the stream just to see what songs they'd play with Marty and I didn't. Rather than making this something only for Japanese fans, the band was nice enough to implement streaming and broadcast the entire show for everuone to witness.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on June 06, 2023, 04:05:54 PM
Gave the new one a long break but spun it just now. Still really enjoy it. Great riffs and strong drumming.
Glad I bought it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2023, 04:06:57 PM
It's an excellent album. One of their best.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on June 06, 2023, 04:10:13 PM
It's an excellent album. One of their best.

I agree. Top tier.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Cool Chris on June 27, 2023, 09:27:52 PM
Mr. Boddy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKTLM2BfxjA
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on June 28, 2023, 03:09:50 AM
Mr. Boddy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKTLM2BfxjA

That's a pretty cool, unexpected guest spot. I've never actually checked out the MD.45 album. Is it worth hearing? I know the remaster has Dave's vocals instead of Lee which seems kind of odd, but those remasters were a shitshow anyway.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2023, 09:32:30 AM
I liked that album.  Hard to go wrong when you have Jimmy's drumming and Dave's guitar playing.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on August 04, 2023, 12:16:17 PM
Watching the livestream from Wacken and Megadeth is on fire!   :metal   They're playing their asses off, Dave sounds good for the most part - some songs will always challenge him now, but that hasn't taken away from his guitar playing. 

And two thumbs up for some pro-shot footage of Marty Friedman guesting with them on Trust / Tornado / Symphony.  I love how Wacken brings out the best in the bands that play every year.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on August 04, 2023, 12:42:51 PM
Great performance and sound quality! I'm not following, but they have been playing those two songs from The World Needs a Hero and Hidden Treasures recently?
Edit: according to setlist.fm, yes. :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on August 04, 2023, 12:48:45 PM
Whoa, Marty joined them again? I missed the stream, but that set list looks great.  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2023, 05:58:24 AM
https://youtu.be/lmSKQAu5mhM

Matt Heafey singing TOS with the band.  I really quite liked how he sung this one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on August 10, 2023, 08:31:24 AM
That was really rocking!  I'm not much of a Trivium fan, but I really like Matt - he seems like very cool guy.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 10, 2023, 12:42:16 PM
Apparently, they're going to be rocking out in Navajo Nation...They're coming to Window Rock and I find that awesome. :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 01, 2023, 10:32:01 AM
MEGADETH’s Live Performance at Wacken Open Air 2023: Watch the Pro-Shot Video Featuring Marty Friedman
https://lotsofmuzik.com/megadeths-live-performance-at-wacken-open-air-2023-pro-shot-video-inside/
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on September 03, 2023, 03:23:18 AM
MEGADETH’s Live Performance at Wacken Open Air 2023: Watch the Pro-Shot Video Featuring Marty Friedman
https://lotsofmuzik.com/megadeths-live-performance-at-wacken-open-air-2023-pro-shot-video-inside/

That was a fantastic watch big Cheers! :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2023, 05:31:31 PM
Looks like Kiko will miss the upcoming US dates.

https://bravewords.com/news/megadeth-kiko-loureiro-to-miss-crush-the-world-north-american-tour-dates-replacement-announced
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on September 05, 2023, 09:33:04 PM
Disappointing for the fans.  Hopefully not an ongoing thing either given the reason why he isn't going.

Teemu is a monster player though.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: emtee on November 02, 2023, 11:58:18 AM
This album is still getting regular spins and I'd say only Youthanasia stayed in my regular rotation as long. Just a really enjoyable album. And thinking about it, Deth, Priest and Metallica are all making great music that I'm really enjoying...in their 60's and 70's. Maiden too except I didn't connect with their most recent one. Great to see all these legacy bands creating new and exciting music and not turning into nostalgia acts.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: WardySI on November 18, 2023, 01:19:45 AM
This album is still getting regular spins and I'd say only Youthanasia stayed in my regular rotation as long. Just a really enjoyable album. And thinking about it, Deth, Priest and Metallica are all making great music that I'm really enjoying...in their 60's and 70's. Maiden too except I didn't connect with their most recent one. Great to see all these legacy bands creating new and exciting music and not turning into nostalgia acts.

If you're talking about Sick Dying Dead yes I went back to it last week and gotta say after several months away from it am even more taken by it than first time around.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on November 19, 2023, 01:02:08 PM
From Kiko's Facebook:

A message to the @megadeth fans.

Dear Megadeth fans,

I want to share with you a decision that hasn't been easy for me.

In September, I had to step away from the U.S. leg of the tour for family reasons. Looking ahead, during 2024, we anticipate an even heavier touring schedule for Megadeth. After thorough reflection and discussions with Dave Mustaine and Megadeth's management, we have collectively agreed that it is the right move to extend my absence. I don't want to hinder any of the band's plans or the hard work of all the incredible people involved in the tour.

My nine years with Megadeth have been an unbelievable journey, filled with countless "pinch-me" moments. Unforgettable tours, a Grammy Award for "Dystopia," a Grammy nomination, and various accolades for "The Sick, The Dying, and The Dead" are just a few of the highlights. It is hard to put into words the magnitude of these experiences. I am sure any heavy metal fan can appreciate how incredible it is to play and create music in a band you grew up listening to, and to share the stage with a guitar legend like Dave Mustaine, along with phenomenal musicians like James LoMenzo and  Dirk Verbeuren, not to mention our incredible crew.

However, the most cherished aspect of these nine years has been getting to know the incredible army of devoted Megadeth fans around the world. Your dedication is inspiring, and I have immense admiration and respect for all of you.

Much love, see you soon!

Kiko Loureiro
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on November 19, 2023, 01:58:30 PM
The funny thing is, Kiko writes about an extended absence, then continues the press release as if he's talking about a definite departure. It get that he's leaving the band, but it's odd he'd choose "extended absence" as the term to use.

I'm wondering if there's any chance of Marty rejoining the band, given that he and Dave had patched things up and that Marty joined them on several occasions recently. Mike Portnoy rejoined Dream Theater, Kiske and Kai rejoined Helloween, so why wouldn't this be a possibility?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 19, 2023, 04:51:50 PM
Thought the same thing, sounds like he is leaving.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 19, 2023, 05:45:24 PM
Reads like he's leaving but maybe Dave just allowing him to keep the door open and see what happens?  Maybe he just becomes like a silent member and contributes where he can and on the next album maybe?  Kinda like Magnus Karlsson does with Primal Fear, who knows.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: devieira73 on November 20, 2023, 06:48:53 AM
Right now I don't think Kiko is 100% out of Megadeth, but I can't imagine Dave not just simply moving forward and coming back in 2025 with a member who hasn't wanted (for whatever reason) to be in the band for the last year and a half.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2023, 06:51:11 AM
Yeah, the statement is a bit confusing:

- He says he has to "extend his absence"
- He thanks for the nine years as if he's departing for good
- He concludes with "See you soon".

It's probably a sensibility on Megadeth's part. He's de facto out of the band, but given the personal situation occoured to him, they don't flat out dismiss him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on November 29, 2023, 08:39:58 PM
Kiko participated in a (long) podcast by Rafael Bittencourt (Angra guitarist) and confirmed that he chose not to be in Megadeth for family reasons, as he wants to stay at home because of his children and says he can no longer spend six months away from home. He mentions that he almost missed the birth of his first daughter because he was playing at Rock in Rio with Angra and that 10 days after the birth of the twins he returned to tour with Megadeth.

He said, “that’s what I told Dave, my son needs me more than Megadeth.”

He also mentioned that Megadeth stopped being challenging for him "you play 25 songs in 9 years and that's it".

The podcast is in Portuguese, but the link is below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUhq5m9iHr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUhq5m9iHr8)
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 29, 2023, 09:09:42 PM
Kiko participated in a (long) podcast by Rafael Bittencourt (Angra guitarist) and confirmed that he chose not to be in Megadeth for family reasons, as he wants to stay at home because of his children and says he can no longer spend six months away from home. He mentions that he almost missed the birth of his first daughter because he was playing at Rock in Rio with Angra and that 10 days after the birth of the twins he returned to tour with Megadeth.

He said, “that’s what I told Dave, my son needs me more than Megadeth.”

He also mentioned that Megadeth stopped being challenging for him "you play 25 songs in 9 years and that's it".

The podcast is in Portuguese, but the link is below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUhq5m9iHr8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUhq5m9iHr8)

Just from reading these quotes, doesn't sound like Kiko is coming back.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on November 30, 2023, 04:49:04 AM
Megadeth’s boring, stale setlists claim yet another victim. Kiko is awesome and I’m sorry to see him go. His behind the scenes videos were really cool
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on November 30, 2023, 09:16:18 AM
The whole thing with Megadeth is really a damn shame.

My story becoming a fan of Megadeth starts much later than I'm sure some of you. I knew of them in the late-80s and early-90s. I saw the videos from Countdown to Extinction on MTV, dug em, but never really pursued buying their records. But then in 1998, I dug what I was hearing on Cryptic Writings. Heard Megadeth was playing Ozzfest with TOOL, and so I went out and bought Cryptic Writings and TOOL's Ænima. Enjoyed them both and became a fan.

Megadeth was good at that show, but there were technical problems, so what I remember most is Dave having a fit on stage and either smashing something or kicking something. It's vague, but I remember it. I don't remember TOOL's performance really, and all I can recall from Ozzy was there being a sheer curtain around the stage, and him coming out wagging a hose like it was his penis. LOL.

Anyway, five years later, I get married to a HUGE Megadeth fan. I start getting into the catalog, and I became a massive fan. We saw Megadeth's first show back in 2004 (I think it was, if not, it was the first tour), and I've been invested in them ever since. And honestly, after Endgame, I've just been disappointed. Some records were good, some were not, but Dave can't sing, all the songs are dropped and sound like mud. Frankly, Megadeth should have been finished a decade ago. But Dave soldiers on, his son Justis keeps putting him on the road, and really, Dave Mustaine needs to either hire a better singer, and put the songs back in the original key, or hang it all up.

Megadeth is limited because Dave Mustaine can't sing. If all he had to do was play guitar, it might be different.

The last two albums are certainly good. I prefer Dystopia, but both are good.  But while I am used to the rotating members thing, it has really become stupid at this point, IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 30, 2023, 10:00:19 AM
Megadeth’s boring, stale setlists claim yet another victim.
So basically a nostalgia act at this point?
 
 
But while I am used to the rotating members thing, it has really become stupid at this point, IMO.
Kinda shows that the guys in Metallica were right to kick Mustaine to the curb all those years ago if he can't keep a solid lineup.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on November 30, 2023, 10:27:48 AM
Megadeth’s boring, stale setlists claim yet another victim.
So basically a nostalgia act at this point?
 


It's brutal. Their setlist has been the same old songs every single tour for the past 20+ years. And their newest album is very highly regarded but they're only playing 1 song from it regularly. I just don't get it. It's like Mustaine refuses to play any songs he can't do in his sleep and expects everyone to be cool with having the same concert experience every single tour. I know Kiko's family is the main reason why he left, but I get it from a creative perspective too. Why lend creative ideas, write songs, and release albums with this band when he never even gets to play them live and has to continually play songs from other guitarists?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 30, 2023, 10:35:30 AM
Megadeth’s boring, stale setlists claim yet another victim.
So basically a nostalgia act at this point?
It's brutal. Their setlist has been the same old songs every single tour for the past 20+ years. And their newest album is very highly regarded but they're only playing 1 song from it regularly. I just don't get it. It's like Mustaine refuses to play any songs he can't do in his sleep and expects everyone to be cool with having the same concert experience every single tour. I know Kiko's family is the main reason why he left, but I get it from a creative perspective too. Why lend creative ideas, write songs, and release albums with this band when he never even gets to play them live and has to continually play songs from other guitarists?
Ridiculous that they're only playing one song from their new album. Can't blame Kiko for splitting. Makes me wonder how much he regrets leaving Angra since he was one of the main guys in that band. I honestly was surprised when he left for Megadeth of all bands. For another big name band that was not notorious for having constantly changing lineups, I could seem him make a move. But for Megadeth?

In the end, I guess it doesn't matter. At this point, he'd probably take a leave of absence from Angra too for the sake of his family, but you gotta wonder... Perhaps once his kids are more grown, he'll make a return to Angra again. Obviously he's on good terms with Rafael, so I could see that being a possibility. Marcelo might be starting to get a bit nervous.  :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on November 30, 2023, 12:50:54 PM
If Kiko ever returns to Angra (didn't someone mention in the MP thread that legally he's still a "member", at least for the bureocratic side of things?), at this point they should go the Iron Maiden route and use three guitarists.

Anyway, doesn't he live in Finland now, which is the reason why he knew his replacement to begin with? I mean, Angra has an italian singer but bringing back Kiko as he lives in Finland feels a bit too much.....
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on November 30, 2023, 01:04:31 PM
Just to contextualize: when he talks about playing the same songs, it is in a context where he is an employee of the band. He doesn't have to do anything other than show up to rehearsals and shows and play the same songs.

Angra is also a band that uses fixed setlists for each tour (although they always explored new albums well), but in Angra he was the owner (in fact, he still is). So there was a lot to sort out, whereas in Megadeth he just played the songs and that's it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 01:10:35 PM
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise.  He knew what he was going into.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Dedalus on November 30, 2023, 01:46:44 PM
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise.  He knew what he was going into.

Yes true. I believe that what was really important in his decision was the family issue.

Kiko has changed a lot. Who remembers Kiko from years ago: a guy very focused on music, but super introverted, uncommunicative and often appearing to be in a bad mood.

I think the family transformed him.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lethean on November 30, 2023, 01:55:21 PM
I think the setlist issue is probably much worse for the fans than it is/was for Kiko.  I'm sure he knew exactly what he was getting into, and he was with Megadeth for 9 years, so it's not like he only lasted a couple years and was out.  If/when his family issues allow him to travel more again, he probably won't have trouble finding something; maybe not as big as Megadeth but probably bigger than Angra.  (Assuming he doesn't return).
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on November 30, 2023, 01:58:39 PM
It's brutal. Their setlist has been the same old songs every single tour for the past 20+ years. And their newest album is very highly regarded but they're only playing 1 song from it regularly. I just don't get it. It's like Mustaine refuses to play any songs he can't do in his sleep and expects everyone to be cool with having the same concert experience every single tour. I know Kiko's family is the main reason why he left, but I get it from a creative perspective too. Why lend creative ideas, write songs, and release albums with this band when he never even gets to play them live and has to continually play songs from other guitarists?

He did say once in an interview that the setlist is created around what he can currently sing - his voice definitely changed as he aged and had the throat cancer treated.  His higher range isn't really there.  That being said, you're right - the setlist issues go back much farther. 

I've noticed that Megadeth is always part of a package tour and rarely does a smaller headlining tour where they would have to play for 2 hours.  I don't think Dave's stamina is there for that kind of show.  So they do festivals and open for bigger bands, where the set length is easier for him to handle.  That forces the sets to be 12-15 songs, most of which will always be the same hits. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 30, 2023, 02:08:40 PM
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise.  He knew what he was going into.
Right, which is part of the reason why I'm really surprised Kiko would leave his own band for another one, knowing that it was basically run by a dictator and that he would be very limited in a variety of ways. Just the fact that he's summed up his reason for leaving as "freedom" speaks volumes. Why would he have put himself in that position in the first place is what I struggle to understand.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on November 30, 2023, 02:23:41 PM
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise.  He knew what he was going into.
Right, which is part of the reason why I'm really surprised Kiko would leave his own band for another one, knowing that it was basically run by a dictator and that he would be very limited in a variety of ways. Just the fact that he's summed up his reason for leaving as "freedom" speaks volumes. Why would he have put himself in that position in the first place is what I struggle to understand.

He could've underestimated what living his life on Dave's clock could've meant. It was probably worth it for the exposure he got, but there must've been some diminishing returns.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 03:22:45 PM
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise.  He knew what he was going into.
Right, which is part of the reason why I'm really surprised Kiko would leave his own band for another one, knowing that it was basically run by a dictator and that he would be very limited in a variety of ways. Just the fact that he's summed up his reason for leaving as "freedom" speaks volumes. Why would he have put himself in that position in the first place is what I struggle to understand.

The pay rise from Angra to Megadeth would have been far too good to pass up, you can't blame him for making the move.  It would have almost been silly for him not to jump ship.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: MirrorMask on November 30, 2023, 03:39:34 PM
Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.

Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?

And while Dave Mustaine = Megadeth, at this point he should really consider getting a singer and stay on guitars, people would come to the show anyway as long as he's there. But it's probably too late to change now, it's not a reverse Gamma Ray situation where Ralph Scheepers was there for only three albums...
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 03:44:13 PM
Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.

Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?

And while Dave Mustaine = Megadeth, at this point he should really consider getting a singer and stay on guitars, people would come to the show anyway as long as he's there. But it's probably too late to change now, it's not a reverse Gamma Ray situation where Ralph Scheepers was there for only three albums...

Funny you mention Gamma Ray as before the whole Helloween reunion happened, Kai stepped down and brought in that other bloke to be lead singer (Can't remember his name).  Would have been interesting to see how it developed but I guess Kai doesn't have the ego or self opinion of himself Dave would.  Kai's vocals also haven't diminished like Dave's has so it would definitely be something I think that the fans would embrace if Dave went that way, but it's Dave Mustaine.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on November 30, 2023, 07:17:51 PM
All of what you guys say is true but in Dave's defence, it's not like what Kiko was signing up for in Megadeth would have been a surprise.  He knew what he was going into.
Right, which is part of the reason why I'm really surprised Kiko would leave his own band for another one, knowing that it was basically run by a dictator and that he would be very limited in a variety of ways. Just the fact that he's summed up his reason for leaving as "freedom" speaks volumes. Why would he have put himself in that position in the first place is what I struggle to understand.

The pay rise from Angra to Megadeth would have been far too good to pass up, you can't blame him for making the move.  It would have almost been silly for him not to jump ship.

Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.

Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?

Yeah, I think this is it.  Kiko's been in Megadeth for the same reason Verbeuren has been, why Jeff Loomis is in Arch Enemy, why Chris Broderick went to In Flames rather than keeping on with Act of Defiance or going back to Jag Panzer.  It's not because they're the most challenging or artistically fulfilling gigs.  At some point some musicians get tired of struggling and just want a steady paycheck. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 07:52:10 PM
I had no idea about Brodrick in In Flames until I saw a live vid or something and was like, 'hang on.....what the fuck is he doing on stage with In Flames?!'  :lol  Such a random pairing and shows both Bjorn and Chris' character.  I mean, Chris is so far advanced of Bjorn technically speaking but no ego or anything from Bjorn and Chris just fitting in around Bjorn.  Seems to be working well.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 30, 2023, 08:12:09 PM
Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.
Stability is not something I would think of when talking about somebody joining Megadeth, but maybe that's just me.  :lol
 
 
Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?
Totally understandable, especially for someone like his replacement Teemu who I had never heard of before. But it's not like Kiko wasn't in a sizable band before Megadeth. Angra may not have had quite the same level of popularity as Megadeth at least in North America, but I've always been under the impression that they have much more significant popularity in Europe and obviously South America (dunno about Asia/Oz). How that compares to Megadeth's audiences in those territories, I don't know, but I don't think the disparity would be as large.
 
 
Yeah, I think this is it.  Kiko's been in Megadeth for the same reason Verbeuren has been, why Jeff Loomis is in Arch Enemy, why Chris Broderick went to In Flames rather than keeping on with Act of Defiance or going back to Jag Panzer.  It's not because they're the most challenging or artistically fulfilling gigs.  At some point some musicians get tired of struggling and just want a steady paycheck.
Honestly, I know that Loomis and Broderick joined those bands, but that's about all I know about either one of them (OK, I know AE has a blue haired chick as their vocalist, too). Do either of them have the same notoriety that Megadeth has for having a dictator and a rotating door of supporting musicians?
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on November 30, 2023, 08:17:59 PM
I think Michael and Angela are pretty much the dictators of Arch Enemy, haven't really followed them the last few albums though but I think they have had their issues in the past perhaps?

In Flames all seem super chill having a good time doing their thing together after a decent semi comeback album.  Bjorn and Anders are obviously the bosses of the band but seem like really decent fellas.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on November 30, 2023, 09:28:57 PM
I think Michael and Angela are pretty much the dictators of Arch Enemy, haven't really followed them the last few albums though but I think they have had their issues in the past perhaps?

To my knowledge, the only issue I've heard of was voiced by Warrel Dane when he was still alive.  Progpower USA was trying to book a Nevermore reunion and the one snag they hit was that Jeff's contract with Arch Enemy would not allow him to participate in the reunion.  Warrel wrote it once on the Nevermore forum and then deleted the post.  I think the same thing was said by his solo band's guitarist (Thiago?) after Warrel died.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Lethean on November 30, 2023, 09:35:47 PM
Yeah, it must have been the money and the stability. I don't know his personal life but maybe he was starting / having a family already back then, so the money could have helped in that regard.
Stability is not something I would think of when talking about somebody joining Megadeth, but maybe that's just me.  :lol

But he made it for quite a long time, so it was pretty stable.  And he (probably) didn't even get kicked out and could have stayed longer.
 
 
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Also, Megadeth brings big stages and big tours, which musician would pass on that?
Totally understandable, especially for someone like his replacement Teemu who I had never heard of before. But it's not like Kiko wasn't in a sizable band before Megadeth. Angra may not have had quite the same level of popularity as Megadeth at least in North America, but I've always been under the impression that they have much more significant popularity in Europe and obviously South America (dunno about Asia/Oz). How that compares to Megadeth's audiences in those territories, I don't know, but I don't think the disparity would be as large.
I think the disparity is pretty large.  Angra is awesome, and I like them way better than Megadeth, but Megadeth is on another level as far as popularity goes.  You might correct me on this, but I think Megadeth is on at least a slightly higher level than Dream Theater is.  I think if they were at the same festival they'd be billed higher, and I think.  And Angra isn't really near Dream Theater.   I'm not saying Kiko or anyone in Angra was starving, but being in Megadeth certainly is more profitable and higher profile.  I doubt Kiko joined Megadeth solely for the paycheck - I think there were probably a number of factors.  More money, touring, bigger venues, sure.  But also more exposure and more doors being opened to him to further his career.  More contacts.  And also he was a fan, so it was probably a bit of a thrill.  And Marty Friedman's stuff, I've heard, is not easy to play so he probably was challenged and engaged.  Maybe he didn't get to do much songwriting but he probably learned a lot of things along the way.  He certainly increased his online presence a lot.

Aaaaand... I think he may have thought he'd still be able to do Angra somewhat, at least at first.  May have been wishful thinking, but I think he intended to be with Angra when he could, and Marcelo when he couldn't.

 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2023, 03:59:44 AM
I think Michael and Angela are pretty much the dictators of Arch Enemy, haven't really followed them the last few albums though but I think they have had their issues in the past perhaps?

To my knowledge, the only issue I've heard of was voiced by Warrel Dane when he was still alive.  Progpower USA was trying to book a Nevermore reunion and the one snag they hit was that Jeff's contract with Arch Enemy would not allow him to participate in the reunion.  Warrel wrote it once on the Nevermore forum and then deleted the post.  I think the same thing was said by his solo band's guitarist (Thiago?) after Warrel died.

Yeah true, I remember that now you mentioned it.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: gzarruk on December 01, 2023, 08:27:12 AM
If Kiko ever returns to Angra (didn't someone mention in the MP thread that legally he's still a "member", at least for the bureocratic side of things?), at this point they should go the Iron Maiden route and use three guitarists.

Anyway, doesn't he live in Finland now, which is the reason why he knew his replacement to begin with? I mean, Angra has an italian singer but bringing back Kiko as he lives in Finland feels a bit too much.....

Yes, that was me. Paulo Baron (Angra's manager) was asked about the Kiko/Megadeth situation a few weeks ago and he said they are usually in touch because Kiko still is an active member of the Angra management. That makes total sense, since the only reason he left Angra was to join Megadeth, an opportunity not many would pass. There was no drama or any kind of hard feelings involved during that split, unlike with Aquiles or Edu as far as I know.

Now, funny that you mention the IM three guitarists thing, becasue IIRC Rafael said a few years ago they would totally go that route if Kiko ever wanted to come back. Now, I don't know how having a 6th member would affect their income, as Angra isn't the biggest band ever, but I imagine since Kiko is still part of their management, he probably still has some sort of fixed salary coming from the band. Maybe it'd be just the same thing, but with him actually "back" in the band writing, recording and touring full time.

I don't think he's going to join any major bands anytime soon, though, considering he still has those home priorities (his biggest responsibility) and then he's also finishing another solo album, if I'm not mistaken. However, I'd totally love to see him back with Angra, as that's a much more interesting band musically than Megadeth and I haven't been a huge fan of Marcelo's input with them overall. But now that you mention he's living in Finland it makes things a bit more complicated too. Wasn't he neighbors with Derek Sherinian in LA at some point?*

As for Megadeth, well... Dave is Megadeth and he's always going to be the only fixed member of the band. I have absolutely no doubt that they'll keep changing drummers, guitarists and now bassists every once in a while until Dave decides to retire. Also, the new guys in the band will always be the best players according to Dave :lol

*Here's hoping for a Derek, Kiko, Mangini project someday :P
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on December 01, 2023, 04:36:08 PM
If Kiko ever returns to Angra (didn't someone mention in the MP thread that legally he's still a "member", at least for the bureocratic side of things?), at this point they should go the Iron Maiden route and use three guitarists.

Anyway, doesn't he live in Finland now, which is the reason why he knew his replacement to begin with? I mean, Angra has an italian singer but bringing back Kiko as he lives in Finland feels a bit too much.....

Yes, that was me. Paulo Baron (Angra's manager) was asked about the Kiko/Megadeth situation a few weeks ago and he said they are usually in touch because Kiko still is an active member of the Angra management. That makes total sense, since the only reason he left Angra was to join Megadeth, an opportunity not many would pass. There was no drama or any kind of hard feelings involved during that split, unlike with Aquiles or Edu as far as I know.

Now, funny that you mention the IM three guitarists thing, becasue IIRC Rafael said a few years ago they would totally go that route if Kiko ever wanted to come back. Now, I don't know how having a 6th member would affect their income, as Angra isn't the biggest band ever, but I imagine since Kiko is still part of their management, he probably still has some sort of fixed salary coming from the band. Maybe it'd be just the same thing, but with him actually "back" in the band writing, recording and touring full time.

I don't think he's going to join any major bands anytime soon, though, considering he still has those home priorities (his biggest responsibility) and then he's also finishing another solo album, if I'm not mistaken. However, I'd totally love to see him back with Angra, as that's a much more interesting band musically than Megadeth and I haven't been a huge fan of Marcelo's input with them overall. But now that you mention he's living in Finland it makes things a bit more complicated too. Wasn't he neighbors with Derek Sherinian in LA at some point?*

As for Megadeth, well... Dave is Megadeth and he's always going to be the only fixed member of the band. I have absolutely no doubt that they'll keep changing drummers, guitarists and now bassists every once in a while until Dave decides to retire. Also, the new guys in the band will always be the best players according to Dave :lol

*Here's hoping for a Derek, Kiko, Mangini project someday :P

This is just good business, I didn't know that.  Means he still had his toe in the water and could essentially do the Megadeth thing knowing if it didn't work out in the long run he wasn't totally left in the cold.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2024, 07:34:55 PM
So I am solidifying my Megadeth album rankings. I'm giving the discography a full run through and I've been chronicling it in the Albums thread, but I figured I'd move it over here.

For some reason, I'm going backwards.

Finished my listen to the recent Megadeth releases.

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81IL6lRRQwL._UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/Super_Collider_Megadeth.jpg)


I'd rate their last five releases like this:

1. Endgame
2. TSTD&TD
3. Dystopia
4. Supercollider
5. Thirteen



Gonna hit the TWNAH-TSHF-UA run this week.

The System Has Failed was the one that really made me take notice of Megadeth again.

OK, I hit these in the last two days..

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Megadeth_-_The_World_Needs_a_Hero.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Megadeth_-_The_System_Has_Failed.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/United_Abominations.jpg)

I seem to be going backwards...

Updated rankings

1. Endgame
2. TSTD&TD
3. Dystopia
4. The System Has Failed
5. United Abominations
6. Supercollider
7. The World Needs A Hero
8. Thirteen


Just finished these...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/MegadethRisk.jpg)(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71+yZDnuXeL._UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg)


Updated Rankings..


1. Endgame
2. TSTD&TD
3. Dystopia
4. The System Has Failed
5. United Abominations
6. Cryptic Writings
7. Supercollider
8. The World Needs A Hero
9. Thirteen
10. Risk
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2024, 07:45:20 PM
1. Endgame
2. TSTD&TD
3. Dystopia
4. The System Has Failed
5. United Abominations
6. Cryptic Writings
7. Supercollider
8. The World Needs A Hero
9. Thirteen
10. Risk

I think this is pretty on point.  I'd have a few differences, but can't complain with this.  I'm surprised the new one is still in the second spot, it didn't age as well for me as I thought it would.

I always thought Risk was an okay album for what it is too.  There's some interesting songs IMO.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2024, 07:48:46 PM
  I'm surprised the new one is still in the second spot, it didn't age as well for me as I thought it would.

Well, I still have the KIMB-Youthanasia run to get through, and I know that at least two of those albums are going to surpass it.



I always thought Risk was an okay album for what it is too.  There's some interesting songs IMO.

Breadline being one of them. That song is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2024, 08:12:55 PM
Yeah.....I kinda forgot about the rest for a moment.  :lol

Youthanasia is amazing!  :metal
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2024, 08:18:28 PM
I swore off Megadeth when Youthanasia came out. :lol
That was actually the last tour that I saw them.

It was quite the bill:
Megadeth
Korn (who fucking sucked!)
Flotsam & Jetsam
...and another band I don't remember
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2024, 08:28:19 PM
I could understand I real time how it may have been a disappointment.  I love the melody throughout it.

Korn with those two bands is interesting.  Although I would have been when they were just starting out.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2024, 08:31:48 PM
I could understand I real time how it may have been a disappointment.  I love the melody throughout it.

Korn with those two bands is interesting.  Although I would have been when they were just starting out.

I saw Korn 6 months later opening for Ozzy and they still sucked.

Youthanasia has aged really well. I also didn't love Countdown To Extinction either. Megadeth to me always had a dirtier sound, and CTE was way to razor clean for me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on February 02, 2024, 08:57:11 PM
I love Youthanasia so much.  Same with Cryptic Writings. 

I saw the live debut of Breadline on the Risk tour - the it was the first time they had played that song.  Got a Marty Friedman guitar pick from that show too.  For some reason, I really liked the setlist on that tour - it was a big solid chunk of 1990's Megadeth, with a few older songs.  I've seen them play more ripping sets later on, but I remember loving that show, though they didn't play Reckoning Day.

Prince of Darkness
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
In My Darkest Hour
Train of Consequences
Hangar 18
Breadline
(Live premiere)
A Secret Place
She-Wolf
A tout le monde
Almost Honest
Crush 'Em
Use the Man
Trust
Insomnia
Sweating Bullets
Symphony of Destruction
Peace Sells

Encore:
Paranoid
Anarchy in the U.K.


Supercollider fucking sucks.  I liked Kingmaker when it came out, but hated the rest.  In the last year since my mom's Alzheimer's has gotten worse, I've gone back to this album a lot to listen to Forget to Remember.  I love that Dave wrote this song.   :heart
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2024, 10:29:40 PM
I could understand I real time how it may have been a disappointment.  I love the melody throughout it.

Korn with those two bands is interesting.  Although I would have been when they were just starting out.

I saw Korn 6 months later opening for Ozzy and they still sucked.

Youthanasia has aged really well. I also didn't love Countdown To Extinction either. Megadeth to me always had a dirtier sound, and CTE was way to razor clean for me.

 :lol

You know, I never really rated CTE either.  Not sure why, just never stuck.

I love Youthanasia so much.  Same with Cryptic Writings. 

I saw the live debut of Breadline on the Risk tour - the it was the first time they had played that song.  Got a Marty Friedman guitar pick from that show too.  For some reason, I really liked the setlist on that tour - it was a big solid chunk of 1990's Megadeth, with a few older songs.  I've seen them play more ripping sets later on, but I remember loving that show, though they didn't play Reckoning Day.

Prince of Darkness
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
In My Darkest Hour
Train of Consequences
Hangar 18
Breadline
(Live premiere)
A Secret Place
She-Wolf
A tout le monde
Almost Honest
Crush 'Em
Use the Man
Trust
Insomnia
Sweating Bullets
Symphony of Destruction
Peace Sells

Encore:
Paranoid
Anarchy in the U.K.


Supercollider fucking sucks.  I liked Kingmaker when it came out, but hated the rest.  In the last year since my mom's Alzheimer's has gotten worse, I've gone back to this album a lot to listen to Forget to Remember.  I love that Dave wrote this song.   :heart

Sorry about you mother mate.

CW was my first Megadeth album.  I remember it being quite a strange sound on a whole.  Took a while to get my head around.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: PixelDream on February 03, 2024, 12:37:43 AM
Looking forward to seeing them at Graspop Metal Meeting this summer. Unfortunately not with Kiko.. he’s awesome and I thought the latest two Megadeth records with him were really the best stuff the band has put out since their golden era.

That video of Wacken with Marty Friedman joining was cool. I’ve always felt Marty is the ultimate lead guitarist for Megadeth but Kiko has been so good as well. That instrumental Conquer Or Die that he had a big hand in is so incredible. My mom doesn’t enjoy a lot of thrash metal but she can’t get enough of that one. I can see why, it has that delicious neo-classical feel but without the usual cheesiness. If anyone reading this who doesn’t enjoy Megadeth: check out Conquer Or Die. It’s instrumental and extremely good.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 03, 2024, 12:40:30 PM
I'll chime in.

Ranking just the albums you ranked Tim, I'd go as follows...

1. United Abominations
2. Endgame
3. Dystopia
4. The System Has Failed
5. TSTD&TD
6. Cryptic Writings
7. Risk
8. Supercollider
9. Thirteen
10. The World Needs A Hero


UA is easily my favourite post-RiP album, and it holds a special place in my heart.

Endgame is almost as good and definitely did a great job of following it up, and holding down the late 00s.

Dystopia, I really enjoy, and feel the line up on that record contributed to that massively.

I remember reading about The System Has Failed, and it getting slammed, so I avoided it for a while when I first got into the band, but I think it's solid and better than some of the 90s output.

The latest was pretty good. A few solid songs and very little I disliked.

The gap in quality here really starts to show. Cryptic Writings has a few cool songs, but more duds. Risk, and Super Collider, similar to TSHF in that I avoided them for a while based on poor reviews, but actually liked them a bit more because I had such low expectations.

Lastly, Th1rt3en and The World Needs A Hero. These two albums suck, and are probably the worst in Dave's career for me. Almost no redeeming songs on either album, maybe like 1 on Th1rt3en!
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2024, 01:21:25 PM
I'll chime in.

 :metal


UA is easily my favourite post-RiP album, and it holds a special place in my heart.

Why's that?


  In the last year since my mom's Alzheimer's has gotten worse, I've gone back to this album a lot to listen to Forget to Remember.  I love that Dave wrote this song.   :heart

 :heart



My mom doesn’t enjoy a lot of thrash metal but she can’t get enough of that one.

Not to make light of what Grappler posted, but then you posted this and it cracked me up. Like it's now the Mother's thread. :lol
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2024, 01:31:13 PM
OK, ran through these two today, leaving only the first four albums to rank.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Megadeth-Youthanasia.jpg)(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71xNTsnDC6L._UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg)


So now I'm at...


1. Endgame
2. TSTD&TD
3. Dystopia
4. The System Has Failed
5. United Abominations
6. Cryptic Writings
7. Youthanasia
8. Countdown To Extinction
9. Supercollider
10. The World Needs A Hero
11. Thirteen
12. Risk
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 03, 2024, 01:42:43 PM
UA is easily my favourite post-RiP album, and it holds a special place in my heart.

Why's that?

It's that classic thing. I got into Megadeth in late 2004. I mainly listened to their 80s output and Rust in Peace for a few years. United Abominations was the first album that I was able to enjoy releasing in real time. I loved Sleepwalker as a single, and then when I heard Washington is Next! I was sold.

Also, if we're now chucking Youthanasia and Countdown into the mix then here's my ranking...

1. United Abominations
2. Endgame
3. Dystopia
4. Countdown to Extinction
5. The System Has Failed
6. TSTD&TD
7. Cryptic Writings
8. Youthanasia
9. Risk
10. Supercollider
11. Thirteen
12. The World Needs A Hero
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2024, 01:44:01 PM
Glen's playing on UA is fucking fantastic.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Mladen on February 03, 2024, 01:48:16 PM
I'm fascinated by TAC's take. Rarely does someone rank five albums from 2000 onwards above Countdown, Youthanasia and Cryptic. That's pretty cool.  :tup
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 03, 2024, 02:04:29 PM
I'm fascinated by TAC's take. Rarely does someone rank five albums from 2000 onwards above Countdown, Youthanasia and Cryptic. That's pretty cool.  :tup

He's mainly right, although I'd rank (and did rank) Countdown higher.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2024, 02:58:58 PM
I'm fascinated by TAC's take. Rarely does someone rank five albums from 2000 onwards above Countdown, Youthanasia and Cryptic. That's pretty cool.  :tup

Remember, I grew up in the 80's, not the 90's, so my point of reference on Megadeth were really the first three albums. They had a real...dirty sound and feel to them. RiP, while much more polished, still maintained a "fullness" in the sound, plus it was so damn good the slicker style didn't really bother me.


I did not care for Countdown when it came out. I tried, believe me. There's just no beef to it, and the songs aren't as good on the whole. I think the production didn't help.
I washed my hands of them when Youthanasia came out. That was also the last tour that I saw them. I hated the album. And I completed skipped Cryptic Writings.
If I could only listen to one album of the three for the rest of my life, it'd be CW. Youthanasia has aged really well considering what I thought of it when it came out. It has a much better production than CTE, but honestly, the margins are pretty slim on these albums.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2024, 06:18:16 PM
OK, this is where I'm settling for now. Posting my Top 3 songs for each album as well.

1. So Far So Good So What  In My Darkest Hour, Mary Jane, Set The World Afire
2. Endgame  44 Minutes, This Day We Fight, 1320
3. Rust In Peace  Five Magics, Poison Was The Cure, Rust In Peace...Polaris
4. TSTD&TD  Dogs Of Chernobyl, Life In Hell, We'll Be Back
5. Dystopia  Fatal Illusion, Conquer Or Die, Dystopia
6. Peace Sells  My Last Words, Wake Up Dead, The Conjuring
7. The System Has Failed  Blackmail The Universe, The Scorpion, Kick The Chair
8. United Abominations  Washington Is Next, Sleepwalker, Play For Blood
9. Killing Is My Business  Killing Is My Business, Mechanix, Looking Down The Cross
10. Cryptic Writings  She Wolf, The Disintegrators, Vortex
11. Youthanasia  Black Curtains, The Killing Road, Victory
12. Countdown To Extinction  This Was My Life, Ashes In Your Mouth, Skin O' My Teeth
13. Supercollider  Kingmaker, Dance In The Rain, Don't Turn Your Back
14. The World Needs A Hero  Recipe For Hate...Warhorse, Dread And The Fugitive Mind, Burning Bridges
15. Thirteen  Black Swan, Never Dead, Sudden Death
16. Risk  Prince Of Darkness, Breadline, Time: The End
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Grappler on February 03, 2024, 06:41:42 PM
I'm fascinated by TAC's take. Rarely does someone rank five albums from 2000 onwards above Countdown, Youthanasia and Cryptic. That's pretty cool.  :tup

And rarely does anyone complain about the album's production either!   :lol  I'd put Countdown over a lot of Megadeth's later albums, and might drop SFSGSW lower than some of the later albums. 

My mom doesn’t enjoy a lot of thrash metal but she can’t get enough of that one.

Not to make light of what Grappler posted, but then you posted this and it cracked me up. Like it's now the Mother's thread. :lol

I laughed when I read what he and you said! 

My mom never understood my love of metal.  When I was a teenager and off at school, she'd go through my cd's and read the lyrics to make sure I wasn't listening to awful stuff.  The albums I had at that time were Metallica, Megadeth, Ozzy, Anthrax and....Slayer.  I'm sure some of the Slayer and Pantera lyrics shocked her, but I proved to her that the music wasn't making me into a different kind of person.

In the mid-00's, I took my mom and dad out to see a local band (my dad knew the guitarist through his work, and I LOVED the band).  Watching this bar band play live and having a few drinks in her loosened her up and she leaned over to me and said "I get why you like the music now."   That moment meant so much to me - she wouldn't ever truly like metal, but she saw through the loudness to a local band's melodicism, songwriting and playing talent. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 03, 2024, 06:43:26 PM
OK, this is where I'm settling for now. Posting my Top 3 songs for each album as well.

1. So Far So Good So What  In My Darkest Hour, Mary Jane, Set The World Afire
2. Endgame  44 Minutes, This Day We Fight, 1320
3. Rust In Peace  Five Magics, Poison Was The Cure, Rust In Peace...Polaris
4. TSTD&TD  Dogs Of Chernobyl, Life In Hell, We'll Be Back
5. Dystopia  Fatal Illusion, Conquer Or Die, Dystopia
6. Peace Sells  My Last Words, Wake Up Dead, The Conjuring
7. The System Has Failed  Blackmail The Universe, The Scorpion, Kick The Chair
8. United Abominations  Washington Is Next, Sleepwalker, Play For Blood
9. Killing Is My Business  Killing Is My Business, Mechanix, Looking Down The Cross
10. Cryptic Writings  She Wolf, The Disintegrators, Vortex
11. Youthanasia  Black Curtains, The Killing Road, Victory
12. Countdown To Extinction  This Was My Life, Ashes In Your Mouth, Skin O' My Teeth
13. Supercollider  Kingmaker, Dance In The Rain, Don't Turn Your Back
14. The World Needs A Hero  Recipe For Hate...Warhorse, Dread And The Fugitive Mind, Burning Bridges
15. Thirteen  Black Swan, Never Dead, Sudden Death
16. Risk  Prince Of Darkness, Breadline, Time: The End
Cool to se the love for SFSGSW - I always thought that album was super underrated. I absolutely love Into the Lungs of Hell - killer instrumental track.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: nick_z on February 03, 2024, 07:00:49 PM
I always considered So Far, So Good my least favorite of the first 4 albums. I tried many times, as many people I know have praised it over time, but I always left with the feeling that's a mess of an album. I mean, maybe that's the point of it  :biggrin: It certainly has the crazy rawness early Megadeth is know for, but I would never think of ranking it higher than, say, Peace Sells or Rust in Peace.

Also interesting to see Endgame so high  - in particular, higher than RIP! The other big difference vs. Tim's ranking would be for CTE, which I really like. I'd rank it higher than Youthanasia and, likely, all of the albums after that one.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2024, 07:07:20 PM
My mom never understood my love of metal.  When I was a teenager and off at school, she'd go through my cd's and read the lyrics to make sure I wasn't listening to awful stuff.  The albums I had at that time were Metallica, Megadeth, Ozzy, Anthrax and....Slayer.  I'm sure some of the Slayer and Pantera lyrics shocked her, but I proved to her that the music wasn't making me into a different kind of person.

In the mid-00's, I took my mom and dad out to see a local band (my dad knew the guitarist through his work, and I LOVED the band).  Watching this bar band play live and having a few drinks in her loosened her up and she leaned over to me and said "I get why you like the music now."   That moment meant so much to me - she wouldn't ever truly like metal, but she saw through the loudness to a local band's melodicism, songwriting and playing talent.

Thankfully my mother seemed to pretty much ignored what I was into. I think she wasn't crazy about it all, but pretty much left it in the hands of my father to monitor me as a teen. Thankfully, he recognized how much I loved music, and I was a good kid (although if my kids were as "good" as I was, I'd probably kill them!).  I would've never seen all those 80's arena shows without his support.






Cool to se the love for SFSGSW - I always thought that album was super underrated. I absolutely love Into the Lungs of Hell - killer instrumental track.

SFSGSW really hooked me. I had Peace Sells, even saw them on that tour, but I was kind of indifferent on them. I saw the first night of the SFSGSW tour opening for Dio and Megadeth blew me away. The album wouldn't be released for another couple of weeks, but I thought it was the amazing album to experience at that time.
Saw them again on that tour when they came back and headlined (with Warlock & Sanctuary).

I know they did a cover of These Boots on KIMB, but they recorded another version of it for the Dudes soundtrack, and they played THAT version on this tour cycle, and I always thought it was the coolest thing. Much better than their first version.



I absolutely love Into the Lungs of Hell - killer instrumental track.

Endgame does a pretty blatant call back to Into The Lungs Of Hell/Set The World Afire with Dialectic Chaos/This Day We Fight.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2024, 07:15:31 PM
I always considered So Far, So Good my least favorite of the first 4 albums. I tried many times, as many people I know have praised it over time, but I always left with the feeling that's a mess of an album. I mean, maybe that's the point of it  :biggrin: It certainly has the crazy rawness early Megadeth is know for, but I would never think of ranking it higher than, say, Peace Sells or Rust in Peace.

So I think some of it may have to do with the production of the first four albums, but SFSGSW does, as you say, capture the crazy rawness, but it also introduces a much tighter performance with a bit more precision.

And Dave is absolutely possessed with his delivery.



Also interesting to see Endgame so high  - in particular, higher than RIP! The other big difference vs. Tim's ranking would be for CTE, which I really like. I'd rank it higher than Youthanasia and, likely, all of the albums after that one.

I'm surprised about Endgame edging out RiP too! But since Endgame has come out, I've probably reached for it 4 to 1 over RiP.
I personally cannot stand Hangar 18 either.


As far as CTE and Youthanasia, believe me, it's a very small margin of a difference, but I never have a hankering to listen to CTE. I at least bust out Youthanasia once or twice a year. I don't know...CTE has just never resonated with me.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 04, 2024, 04:17:57 PM
I think the strength of Endgame comes in the sheer consistency across the whole album.  I think with most Megadeth albums for me anyway, they all come out of the gates pretty strong but struggle to maintain that level of consistency til the end.  I feel Endgame is pretty much a very strong album from start to finish.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: DTA on February 05, 2024, 06:28:29 AM
The Right To Go Insane and How The Story Ends are two of the most overlooked Megadeth songs. Great album all around.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on February 05, 2024, 11:54:17 AM
I think the strength of Endgame comes in the sheer consistency across the whole album.  I think with most Megadeth albums for me anyway, they all come out of the gates pretty strong but struggle to maintain that level of consistency til the end.  I feel Endgame is pretty much a very strong album from start to finish.

Other than "The Hardest Part of Letting Go...Sealed With a Kiss," I agree. And I'd say without that song, it's probably my favorite Megadeth album, post-Countdown.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on February 05, 2024, 12:02:04 PM
Sounds like I need to give Endgame another spin sometime.  I remember it having a few cool tracks, but when it came out I wasn't in the mood for it, and the time or two I've listened since then I don't remember being particularly compelled by it, but sometimes things take more plays to sink in. 
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: TAC on February 05, 2024, 12:04:32 PM
I think the strength of Endgame comes in the sheer consistency across the whole album.  I think with most Megadeth albums for me anyway, they all come out of the gates pretty strong but struggle to maintain that level of consistency til the end.  I feel Endgame is pretty much a very strong album from start to finish.

Other than "The Hardest Part of Letting Go...Sealed With a Kiss," I agree. And I'd say without that song, it's probably my favorite Megadeth album, post-Countdown.

I know you hate that song, but I like it. On it's own, the beginning could be considered cringey (I don't feel that way) but it develops nicely.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on February 05, 2024, 12:22:54 PM
I've tried, Tim. I just despise that track. LOL. I took it off my iPod completely so the album doesn't have it. LOL. When I listen to the CD, I can't hit skip fast enough.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 05, 2024, 02:28:42 PM
Interesting.  Never had an issue with it myself, I too think it builds nicely.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: Samsara on February 05, 2024, 02:30:21 PM
Interesting.  Never had an issue with it myself, I too think it builds nicely.

Musically, it's fine. It's Dave's whining.
Title: Re: Megadeth
Post by: wolfking on February 05, 2024, 04:33:07 PM
Interesting.  Never had an issue with it myself, I too think it builds nicely.

Musically, it's fine. It's Dave's whining.

 :lol