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Title: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 07, 2010, 09:30:29 AM
This is a mandatory thread for all forums.

Last night I watched The Spy Who Loved Me. Such a good movie; intentionally and unintentionally.

Been watching the G4 marathon too.
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Post by: El Barto on March 07, 2010, 09:53:09 AM
One of my favorites.  Been a couple of years since I've watched any of them.  Probably closing on time to start a marathon of my own.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on March 07, 2010, 10:13:05 AM
You know, I've never really liked The Spy Who Loved Me.  Everyone holds it up as the best Moore film, but I prefer For Your Eyes Only, Live and Let Die to it.  I even enjoy (and I should stress enjoy, because it's a pretty awful movie) Moonraker more.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on March 07, 2010, 10:42:38 AM
You know, I've never really liked The Spy Who Loved Me.  Everyone holds it up as the best Moore film, but I prefer For Your Eyes Only, Live and Let Die to it.  I even enjoy (and I should stress enjoy, because it's a pretty awful movie) Moonraker more.
I guess I'm part of everyone.  Certainly one of my favorites.  I'm very fond of FYEO, as well.  Those are easily Moore's two best.  Furthermore, Barbara Bach is probably my favorite of the Bond girls. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Tuneman on March 07, 2010, 11:28:17 AM
Loved Chris Cornell's version of the title song
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on March 07, 2010, 11:29:44 AM
Do not want the theme by Alicia Keys and Jack White.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: RandalGraves on March 07, 2010, 11:31:03 AM
Do not want the theme by Alicia Keys and Jack White.

Ughh, do not want anything from that aborted cinematic fetus of a film.

Back on topic, I love the series.  I'm dying to get the older ones on Blu (just have Casino Royale at the moment) but I can't really justify getting any of them, with my current financial state and already owning them on DVD.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Tuneman on March 07, 2010, 11:32:10 AM
Do not want the theme by Alicia Keys and Jack White.

Ughh, do not want anything from that aborted cinematic fetus of a film.

that film beyond shittay
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on March 07, 2010, 12:44:32 PM
Fav Bond: Roger Moore
Fav Movie: Live and Let Die.....the escape from the Gator farm followed by by an unmatched motor boat chase scene...coupled with Whisper's chosen method for death...LOL....best Bond flick ever.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on March 07, 2010, 10:06:54 PM
Love Bond. From Russia With Love is my favorite. Connery is the only 007 as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on March 08, 2010, 08:48:47 AM
Hottest Bond girl: Solitaire.

Best Bond girl: Pussy Galore.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: XJDenton on March 08, 2010, 02:45:50 PM
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Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DREAMS FTIME45 on March 08, 2010, 04:30:02 PM
I love all of them
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on July 03, 2010, 11:07:27 PM
bump because Goldfinger just started and Oddjob is fucking awesome :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 04, 2010, 12:33:53 AM
I adore Bond. Favorite is From Russia Wih Love, followed by Goldfinger. Connery has always been my favorite, but I love'em all...well, except Die Another Day. That one is a total turd. Hell, I even like Moonraker, for God's sake.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on July 04, 2010, 12:39:52 AM
I adore Bond. Favorite is From Russia Wih Love, followed by Goldfinger. Connery has always been my favorite, but I love'em all...well, except Die Another Day. That one is a total turd. Hell, I even like Moonraker, for God's sake.

Jaws :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 04, 2010, 01:46:16 AM
I didn't realize I had already responded to this thread months ago :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: faemir on July 04, 2010, 04:08:44 AM
I've only seen 3 bond films, and I'm half British D:

Where should I start? Seen the two most recent ones (awesome and zzzzzzzzzzzzz respectively) and From Russia With Love (great)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on July 04, 2010, 08:41:01 AM
Dr. No.
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Post by: skydivingninja on July 04, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
Love James Bond movies.  I still haven't seen the newest one yet.  I don't even remember what its called, but I don't like the new movies because they turned Bond into a run-of-the-mill action hero.  To me, James Bond has to have some of that cheesiness.  Die Another Day took it too far, but its not Bond without those cool gadgets, dismembered villains, and one-liners.
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Post by: zxlkho on July 04, 2010, 09:56:10 AM
Bond is awesome, and Thunderball is the best movie easily.
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Post by: skydivingninja on July 04, 2010, 09:57:11 AM
I'm honestly not sure what my favorite bond movie is.  The first three Moore movies are great, as are most of the Connery movies. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 04, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
One of my favorites has to be The Living Daylights, largely because Timothy Dalton is awesome.
Goldeneye is also quite awesome, as are From Russia With Love and Goldfinger.

For Moonraker, they should have just adapted the book, which would have made for a fantastic movie. As for the film they ended up making, the similarities basically end with the title, and both having a character named James Bond.

For Quantum of Solace, I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. Casino Royale was awesome, and they set themselves up quite well for the followup. It should have written itself. I actually don't know how they managed to fuck up a sure thing so badly.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on July 04, 2010, 12:48:49 PM
This thread makes me miss Stave and his Roger Moore avatar
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 04, 2010, 10:54:27 PM
Just go chronologically. Watch the first 5 Connery bonds (Dr. No, From Russian With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice). You dig all of those, just dive in and watch the rest in order. Some suck, some are fun, and some downright kick ass. Just stick with'em though, as they're all entertaining.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 05, 2010, 12:12:03 AM
I have to say, I don't really like Thunderball. I know some consider it to be one of the best, but I just find that it drags.

The only film that's not worth watching is Die Another Day. It's just pure, concentrated terrible. It makes Moonraker look like The Godfather.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 05, 2010, 12:42:48 AM
Die Another Day makes me want to gather all the kittens of the world into a sack and just start unloaded rounds of shotguns shells into it out of anger...


And I fucking love kitties :-[
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 05, 2010, 09:28:34 PM
James Bond with Pierce Brosnan was a huge part of my childhood. I love James Bond movies.
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 06, 2010, 12:30:21 AM
Concurrently me and my bro are watching the entire collection of Bond movies via marathon. And let me tell you...you can't bite the bullet hard enough with On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Ok moviel worst bond ever. I shall only refer to him here as "He Who Must Not Be Named".

But once we got past that, life was good.

Also did you guys know that Bond might be definitely cancelled due to no one buying the rights from MGM Studios?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: moffatt on July 06, 2010, 12:46:06 AM
Fave bond : Roger
Fave Movie : A View to a Kill (Christopher Walken!!!!!)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Gadough on July 06, 2010, 01:23:14 AM
I remember seeing Die Another Day in theaters with my Dad. Watching the sex scene (if you want to call it that in a PG-13 movie) was really awkward because I was only 10 or 11. Halle Berry was hot though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on July 06, 2010, 05:01:37 AM
Fave bond : Roger
Fave Movie : A View to a Kill (Christopher Walken!!!!!)
wot
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 06, 2010, 12:06:44 PM
But OHMSS rules. I mean, the bobsled chase is one of my favorite action sequences in the whole series!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on July 06, 2010, 12:25:14 PM
Where should I start?

Not to give the obvious answer, but they are probably best watched sequentially. Not that they follow any chronology, and I don’t think any film references any other film in an overt way (there are subtle references, but nothing with regards to overall plot). But the Bond movies provide a good illustration of the progression of American film over the past 40 years, and in a larger way, a snapshot of how global conflicts have changed and evolved coming out of the Cold War and in to the 21st century.

I am a huge Bond fan, but don’t think each Bond film is a masterpiece. Some of them I don’t even care much for. But I think for a franchise that has existed for almost half a century, it has created a very solid and enjoyable body of work. And enjoyable is probably how I’d choose to describe the films if I had to in one word. They are lots of things, some good, some bad, but they are all largely enjoyable films.

My first Bond was Moore, and it was a while before I found out there was a Bond before him. And by the time I saw the Connery films, I was used to him as the older man he was in ‘The Last Cruise’ and ‘The Untouchables’ so it was a little weird at first to see him as the action hero. I think Dalton was a fine Bond who got mired in very weak scripts, and Brosnan was great in ‘Goldeneye’ and ‘Tomorrow Never Dies.’ Craig is a great casting choice as well though I haven’t cared as much for the movies he’s been in, but I’ve only seen them once.

Favorite villains:
Christopher Lee (Scaramanga) – the duel scene might be my all-time favorite Bond moment
Sean Bean (Alec Trevelyan(?) 006) – Aside from being a total Sean Bean fanboy,  he brought that character to life and it was great to see Bond up against one of his own.
Auric Goldfinger – Don’t know the actor’s name, but Goldfinger was such a sneaky, witty bastard. The kind of villain you don’t want to necessarily see lose.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 06, 2010, 12:25:54 PM
I've never seen a 007 film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 06, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
I think Lazenby gets more flack than he deserves. He was actually pretty good. Not the best, but still pretty good.
Personally, I'd pick him to play James Bond over Moore any day.

Also did you guys know that Bond might be definitely cancelled due to no one buying the rights from MGM Studios?
While it will definitely be on hold for a while because of this, the Bond franchise is too financially valuable to die. Even if no one buys MGM, someone will eventually buy the rights to the franchise. I just hope they do it in time to still have Craig in the role. It would be a huge shame for QoS to be his last bond film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on July 06, 2010, 01:19:54 PM
Lazenby was all right.

If anyone wants to get into James Bond, all the Connery movies and OHMSS (watched in chronological order) follow a basic overarching plot.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on July 06, 2010, 01:25:46 PM
Also did you guys know that Bond might be definitely cancelled due to no one buying the rights from MGM Studios?
While it will definitely be on hold for a while because of this, the Bond franchise is too financially valuable to die. Even if no one buys MGM, someone will eventually buy the rights to the franchise. I just hope they do it in time to still have Craig in the role. It would be a huge shame for QoS to be his last bond film.
Agreed. Casino Royale was excellent, but the only good thing about Quantum of Solace was Olga Kurylenko. Hopefully they can turn it around with Craig still in the role.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: zxlkho on July 06, 2010, 01:39:31 PM
I've never seen a 007 film.
You haven't lived.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 06, 2010, 05:33:30 PM
Also did you guys know that Bond might be definitely cancelled due to no one buying the rights from MGM Studios?
While it will definitely be on hold for a while because of this, the Bond franchise is too financially valuable to die. Even if no one buys MGM, someone will eventually buy the rights to the franchise. I just hope they do it in time to still have Craig in the role. It would be a huge shame for QoS to be his last bond film.
Agreed. Casino Royale was excellent, but the only good thing about Quantum of Solace was Olga Kurylenko. Hopefully they can turn it around with Craig still in the role.

I agree, I would love to see what they do with Rachel Weiss as the villain. Furthermore, I would hate to see Craig's career end so poorly, similar to Dalton.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 06, 2010, 06:07:30 PM
Come to think about it, that would be strikingly similar to what happened to Dalton.
Great actor, relatively weak second film because of the script (though License To Kill was better than QoS IMO), and a hiatus due to MGM having financial problems. It was really unfortunate for Dalton, since he was originally supposed to be in Goldeneye. Now that would have been great.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on July 06, 2010, 06:12:58 PM
Really? The one thing I remember about License To Kill was the acting was atrocious and the script sucked. I could only sit through half of it. Maybe I was thinking of the acting of the other people?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 06, 2010, 09:49:31 PM
What confused me most about License to Kill was that the scene with Felix Lieter being fed to the sharks was supposed to be in the book Live and Let Die and not with sharks but with alligators...

Oh dear, my nerdiness has come full circle
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 07, 2010, 12:17:53 AM
Really? The one thing I remember about License To Kill was the acting was atrocious and the script sucked. I could only sit through half of it. Maybe I was thinking of the acting of the other people?
Well keep in mind that I'm only saying it was better than QoS. Dalton and Craig were still great in their respective films, but both of those movies are fairly weak. LTK had some good moments to contrast the bad ones, while QoS had far fewer highlights.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on July 07, 2010, 08:02:09 AM
I thought the editing of QoS was horrible though no one else seems to. Some scene cuts were so badly paced and executed. We all agree it wasn't a very good movie, though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 07, 2010, 02:37:22 PM
I thought the editing of QoS was horrible though no one else seems to. Some scene cuts were so badly paced and executed. We all agree it wasn't a very good movie, though.

Agreed :tdwn
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on July 07, 2010, 05:10:04 PM
I thought the editing of QoS was horrible though no one else seems to. Some scene cuts were so badly paced and executed. We all agree it wasn't a very good movie, though.
I mainly hated the Bourne-style action scenes where you can't even see anything.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 08, 2010, 08:30:58 PM
I thought the editing of QoS was horrible though no one else seems to. Some scene cuts were so badly paced and executed. We all agree it wasn't a very good movie, though.
I mainly hated the Bourne-style action scenes where you can't even see anything.
This was definitely one of the main problems. In most of the action scenes, you could barely tell what was happening.
The editing overall was indeed pretty poor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Slain on July 08, 2010, 09:32:37 PM
I love Craig as bond, and Casino Royale, but QoS suffered severly from "Shitty American Editing Syndrome" (See, A-Team) My favorite bonds are easily Connery and Craig, though.
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Post by: LCArenas on July 08, 2010, 10:07:36 PM
James Bond with Pierce Brosnan was a huge part of my childhood. I love James Bond movies.
This. Maybe it's because I'm too young, but when someone names 007 I instantly think about Brosnan in Tomorrow Never Dies.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on July 08, 2010, 10:27:10 PM
Catching up:

Lazenby was a great Bond in a poorly done film.  He got a raw deal, IMO.  Somebody mentioned the bobsled chase, which is one of the bigger problems I have with it.  Blofeld is not an action guy.  He's an evil genius and blasting down the mountain in a running gun battle diminished him. 

Thunderball was the weakest of the Connery films.  The underwater sequences just dragged on.

The first half of Casino Royale was unbearable.  The second half was real good as they'd gotten most of the action hero nonsense out of the way. 

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 09, 2010, 03:35:23 AM


Lazenby was a great Bond in a poorly done film. 



I will sadly disagree with you on Lazenby. He was a model, not an actor, IMO. His portrayal as Bond was forced, awkward at points and felt too much like a stuck up Brit rather than a suave, seductive Brit. Actually, I would say the Vice Versa, cause the movie had a thicker plotline than most and really brought out Bond's emotional side (ie: the marriage bit)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volk9 on July 10, 2010, 01:18:58 PM
Christopher Nolan wants to direct James Bond

https://www.movieline.com/2010/07/christopher-nolan-wants-to-direct-james-bond.php
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 10, 2010, 03:26:30 PM
I think at least potentially, Nolan directing a bond film starring Craig could be a perfect fit.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 11, 2010, 07:50:48 PM
I would definitely see a Nolan-directed Bond film  :corn
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Post by: Nic35 on July 11, 2010, 07:52:09 PM
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on January 11, 2011, 04:49:59 PM
MGM green lights next Bond film:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12168421

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A new James Bond film has been given the go-ahead and is due to be released on 9 November 2012, film studio MGM and EON Productions have announced.

Producers Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli and MGM said the 23rd Bond would go into production in late 2011.

The latest 007 adventure, starring Daniel Craig for the third time, will be directed by Oscar winner Sam Mendes.

The franchise had been on hold amid financial troubles, with MGM filing for bankruptcy protection last November.

A rescue deal and restructuring plan put US firm Spyglass Entertainment at the helm of MGM, which had struggled due to several box office flops and a DVD sales slump.

Work on the 23rd film was suspended in April 2010 because of uncertainty over the company's future.

James Bond is one of the longest running franchises in film history.

Its return marks a four-year hiatus for Bond since his last adventure, 2008's Quantum of Solace.

Daniel Craig - who made his Bond debut in Casino Royale in 2006 - is the sixth actor to play the British secret agent on the big screen, after Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan.

His first outing, in Casino Royale, was the most successful instalment in the franchise's 48-year history, taking $594m (£385m) at the global box office.

The latest Bond screenplay has been written by Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and John Logan.

:caffeine:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: XJDenton on January 11, 2011, 05:05:43 PM
Sam Mendes?

That'll do. :D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 11, 2011, 08:33:17 PM
Sam Mendes is definitely an interesting choice to direct. This could be a very good thing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volk9 on January 11, 2011, 09:29:58 PM
Just watched QoS a few days ago for the second time (1st in theaters). Definately didnt hate it as much as I did when I first saw. Probably due to me expecting it to top CR.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on January 11, 2011, 10:10:47 PM
QoS was pretty disappointing (aside from getting to look at Olga Kurylenko), but if the next one is even close to measuring up to Casino Royale, I'll be happy. Casino Royale was the best Bond movie in a very, very long time.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 11, 2011, 11:26:18 PM
Was anyone else terrified by Jaws as a kid?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 11, 2011, 11:38:04 PM
I still don't know how they fucked up so badly with QoS. I mean, Casino Royale was a huge critical and commercial success as far as the franchise goes. So naturally, they abandoned many of the key elements that made Casino Royale good.
They even set themselves up extremely well in CR, and still managed to fuck it all up.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 12, 2011, 12:42:48 AM
Bad editing was the big killer. The story wasn't too great either, though.
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 12, 2011, 04:04:43 AM
The biggest problem is that there is no other Bond film that acts as a sequel. Sure, in some of the movies there are references to past events (ie: death of his wife), but never were any of them seen as pt. 2 or a sequel to another movie. That's the biggest problem with QoS. IMHO.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 12, 2011, 10:00:50 AM
They are all good in their own way but I do prefer the Moore/Dalton/Brosnon years over the Connery/Craig years.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 12, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
One of the problems with the story in QoS is that, as a sequel, it should have been very heavily centered around Bond getting revenge for Vesper's death. Instead, it almost feels like they kept forgetting about that.
Instead, he has to go... stop some guy from raising utility rates in a South American country...

What makes it even worse; In the film, the villain is going to double the price of water. In real life, there was a company that tripled the price of water down there. So a Bond villain was less evil than some random utility company.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 12, 2011, 10:51:32 AM
It’s not an axiom, but I tend to feel the overall quality of a Bond film hinges greatly on the quality of the villain. Which can be said of a lot most stories: The better the villain, the more heroic the hero comes across. Superman without Lex Luthor and General Zod is just a guy in a cape helping old ladies get their cats out of trees. It seems like of late, they’ve struggled to come up with villains worthy of the Bond universe. Not that they have always been great. But when I think of Auric Goldfinger or Francisco Scaramanga, I can’t even remember the names of the last couple villains.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 12, 2011, 11:58:46 AM
Renard was a fantastic villian.
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Post by: Sigz on January 12, 2011, 12:00:32 PM
I really don't understand the criticisms of the editing in QoS. I feel like I was watching a different movie from everyone else or something.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 12, 2011, 12:06:28 PM
My grips were not from the Bourne-like cuts but the storytelling aspect. Scenes would show one thing then jump to a completely different thing and you have to assume what happened. I know movies that do that kind of stuff well but it was done very haphazardly.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on January 12, 2011, 12:08:24 PM
I have begun playing Golden Eye Wii online.
I have died in some truly spectacular ways.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on January 12, 2011, 12:17:08 PM
My grips were not from the Bourne-like cuts but the storytelling aspect. Scenes would show one thing then jump to a completely different thing and you have to assume what happened. I know movies that do that kind of stuff well but it was done very haphazardly.
My gripes are with both of those things. You can't see a damn thing in the action scenes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 12, 2011, 12:19:41 PM
The worst offender was one of the very last scene when he drops the bad guy off in the desert. I forget the exact setup but it was like they were in the car, he lets the guy out, says something that leads up to some big thing, then the next thing you see is him driving back to pick up the chick. There were several different options of what could've happened but the movie played it off like "eh this was your bad guy but whatever".
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volk9 on January 12, 2011, 01:30:02 PM
My grips were not from the Bourne-like cuts but the storytelling aspect. Scenes would show one thing then jump to a completely different thing and you have to assume what happened. I know movies that do that kind of stuff well but it was done very haphazardly.
My gripes are with both of those things. You can't see a damn thing in the action scenes.

I hear everyone complaining about the action scenes in QoS, but the only scene where it was confusing (imo) was the opening car chase. Besides that, everything else was pretty clear cut from what I could tell.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ddtonfire on January 12, 2011, 04:36:35 PM
I think Timothy Dalton is a most underrated Bond. It's a shame he was only in two films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 12, 2011, 08:32:24 PM
I think Timothy Dalton is a most underrated Bond. It's a shame he was only in two films.
I definitely agree. He was fantastic in the role, but had the misfortune of getting weak scripts. The Living Daylights, which actually turned out quite well considering, was mostly written before they had cast Dalton, and License To Kill was written to cash in by emulating the kind of action films that were popular at the time.
Then, finally, they wrote Goldeneye for him, but MGM had some financial troubles, the film was delayed, and Dalton decided to move on.

He did a fantastic job considering the material he was given to work with.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 06:41:17 AM
For those who do not know, MGM has finally got the green light to make Bond 23. Craig is to return. I don't know if they have any other confirmed casting since you honestly cannot be too certain however I'm thinking Dench will definitely return as you can tell she has fun with the role even though it is literally a fraction of the percent of the talent she possesses. Would love to see Jeffery Wright again. I'm not a big fan of this newer reincarnation of Bond but cannot seem to pull away from it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 13, 2011, 06:59:10 AM
Looking forward to the next Bond-movie, i like Craig as Bond.  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: inoku on January 13, 2011, 07:22:44 AM
Looking forward to the next Bond-movie, i like Craig as Bond.  :tup

same here, although quantum of solace was quite disappointing.
casino royale was amazing.  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on January 13, 2011, 10:34:21 AM
For those who do not know, MGM has finally got the green light to make Bond 23. Craig is to return. I don't know if they have any other confirmed casting since you honestly cannot be too certain however I'm thinking Dench will definitely return as you can tell she has fun with the role even though it is literally a fraction of the percent of the talent she possesses. Would love to see Jeffery Wright again. I'm not a big fan of this newer reincarnation of Bond but cannot seem to pull away from it.
I posted a link about it on the previous page :P

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=11105.msg738079#msg738079
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zydar on January 13, 2011, 10:56:27 AM
They're showing You Only Live Twice on TV tonight here. I don't think I've seen it before.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 13, 2011, 11:23:38 AM
I know Quantum of Solace got a lot of complaints, but i don't really have a problem with it.
Sure, i probably prefer Casino Royale over it, but i still thought it was enjoyable. :P
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 12:27:14 PM
For those who do not know, MGM has finally got the green light to make Bond 23. Craig is to return. I don't know if they have any other confirmed casting since you honestly cannot be too certain however I'm thinking Dench will definitely return as you can tell she has fun with the role even though it is literally a fraction of the percent of the talent she possesses. Would love to see Jeffery Wright again. I'm not a big fan of this newer reincarnation of Bond but cannot seem to pull away from it.
I posted a link about it on the previous page :P

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=11105.msg738079#msg738079

Me no read so good.  :coolio
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 12:28:04 PM
They're showing You Only Live Twice on TV tonight here. I don't think I've seen it before.

I would go so far to say it is the weakest of the Connery movies as I did like Thunderball better.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 13, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
They're showing You Only Live Twice on TV tonight here. I don't think I've seen it before.

I would go so far to say it is the weakest of the Connery movies as I did like Thunderball better.
I'd personally rank it above Thunderball and Diamonds Are Forever, though I'm very aware that most people would rank Thunderball higher.
Certainly worth seeing at least once.

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I know Quantum of Solace got a lot of complaints, but i don't really have a problem with it.
Sure, i probably prefer Casino Royale over it, but i still thought it was enjoyable.
I will say, at least in my opinion, in spite of all of its problems, it's still better than Die Another Day.
Man Die Another Day was horrible.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 02:12:49 PM
Sure, i probably prefer Casino Royale over it, but i still thought it was enjoyable.
I will say, at least in my opinion, in spite of all of its problems, it's still better than Die Another Day.
Man Die Another Day was horrible.
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One of my biggest complains in Die Another Day (boy can anyone come up a lot with that movie) is the beginning. If you are going to get Bond captured by the North Korean army do yourself a favor and 1) do not invent teleportation as your only means of getting your army to Bond and 2) do not just change the rules of the Demilitarized Zone so you can get your army to Bond. When it comes to the first point, if I'm not mistaken Bond and the bad guy entered the DMZ about 2 or 3 minutes AFTER the General said he'd be there in 5 minutes. If we assume the hovercrafts Bond and Villain use were travelling just as fast as the trucks (which is not impossible to believe) it is impossible for the NK army to have reached Bond seconds after the villain goes over the cliff. They would have realistically been minutes behind him.

But nitpicking that detail is irrelevant when you realize that an entire North Korean squad just went a couple miles INTO the DMZ!!! What....the...fuck?!?! Thanks to that suicidal General the North Korean Army has just magically learned how to avoid the mines and march their army across the DMZ. So much for the Villain's idea of using hovercraft.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Sigz on January 13, 2011, 02:22:26 PM
Well, that and the whole windsurfing-away-from-a-space-laser-on-a-jetcar-windshield part.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 13, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
I'm the biggest Bond fan in the world, and somehow late to this thread. To catch up, I've read every post on it lol. To recap:

- Lazenby was a horrible actor in a great film.
- Quantum sucked because of the noob director, and competition to the Bourne films
- Dalton kicks ass, shame what happened to his time as 007
- Quantum makes Moonraker look like Goldfinger

My Top 5 Bond films (in no particular order):

The Spy Who Loved Me
Casino Royale
The Living Daylights
Thunderball
The World Is Not Enough

.....and here's to a great 23rd film!!!  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on January 13, 2011, 03:20:29 PM
Looks like I've got the common opinion that Casino Royale was amazing and Quantum Of Solace wasn't (though I don't know if I hated it like some people seem to, I just thought it was boring).

Haven't seen any of the original Bonds since I was young and had them all on video though  :sad:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 13, 2011, 05:43:00 PM
Quantum makes Moonraker look like Goldfinger

Quote of the day for me!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 13, 2011, 05:45:10 PM
People really liked Dalton? I distinctly remember watching License To Kill and thinking to myself how bad the acting was from everyone. I couldn't even finish the movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
If I were to list my top 5 I would list the following

Goldfinger
From Russia With Love
For Your Eyes Only
Goldeneye
The Spy Who Loved Me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 13, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
People really liked Dalton? I distinctly remember watching License To Kill and thinking to myself how bad the acting was from everyone. I couldn't even finish the movie.
License To Kill had a fairly weak script, but Dalton was good in it. He's basically the entire reason LTK is watchable, and why The Living Daylights turned out pretty well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 07:46:23 PM
I didn't find the script to License to Kill weak in the least, in fact I found it quite neat. It was a different fare than the previous Bond films but Maibaum was on a roll from For Your Eyes Only with the exception of View to a Kill (which was just utterly boring. Good idea but just boring) If I could list Bond movies with weak scripts I would list the following

Moonraker (Yet I still loved it)
Live and Let Die (albeit still a good movie)
The Man with the Golden Gun (same as above)
Die Another Day (Good sword fighting scene though)
Quantum of Solace


Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on January 13, 2011, 08:05:21 PM
You forgot Diamonds are Forever. Fucking piece of garbage.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: emindead on January 13, 2011, 09:00:37 PM
I really don't understand the criticisms of the editing in QoS. I feel like I was watching a different movie from everyone else or something.
I was at a friend's house and he wanted to see for the first time QoS. Before the movie started I said "Too bad the editing is unbereable". He wanted to kill me for pointing that out, lol. Every shot in the opening sequence cuts every 0.5 secs.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volk9 on January 13, 2011, 09:10:08 PM
I really don't understand the criticisms of the editing in QoS. I feel like I was watching a different movie from everyone else or something.
I was at a friend's house and he wanted to see for the first time QoS. Before the movie started I said "Too bad the editing is unbereable". He wanted to kill me for pointing that out, lol. Every shot in the opening sequence cuts every 0.5 secs.

The opening sequence is terribly edited, but thats the only scene thats bothersome as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ddtonfire on January 13, 2011, 09:25:31 PM
QoS had a really great scene where Bond and Greene run into each other, face to face, after the opera, the sound goes mute and then a desperate escape/fight occurs, paralleling the events in Tosca. The music takes precedence over the sound of the chase and the everything happens in slo-mo, only amplifying the frenzy. The whole sequence had me on the edge the whole time, every time I watch it. Beauty and brilliance!!!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 14, 2011, 04:17:28 PM
You forgot Diamonds are Forever. Fucking piece of garbage.

You are right. The screenplay for that one is just as bad. It's an enjoyable movie nonetheless and is literally a target zone of Austin Power's jokes, but yes, this screenplay is pretty bad as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 14, 2011, 11:43:00 PM
The book isn't really all that interesting either.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Ħ on January 15, 2011, 12:20:18 AM
seen almost all the bonds....

In my opinion, SC was the best Bond personality, but PB has the best Bond look.

Fave movie is FRWL
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on November 25, 2011, 09:03:34 AM
So, we have a new Q:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0924210/

Edit: I guess I should include a source on that:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15889689
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 25, 2011, 10:26:09 AM
So, we have a new Q:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0924210/

Edit: I guess I should include a source on that:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15889689

wtf? Just bring back Cleese. He was the best part of Die Another Day. Perfect replacement for Desmond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on November 25, 2011, 10:45:15 AM
Teleportation?  Really?

Never saw QoS,  but I really didn't like CR, and everything I've heard is that QoS was even worse with the pointless action sequences.

Quite frankly,  the entire franchise jumped the shark with Moonraker, and everything thereafter has been passable, at best.  Goldeneye probably topped them after that,  and even that wasn't really what I want to see in a Bond movie. 

- Lazenby was a horrible actor in a great film.
I thought precisely the opposite.  I was real cool with Lazenby,  I just didn't like the movie. 



edit: it just occurred to me that FYEO came after Moonraker.  That's one of my very favorite Bond movies,  so I guess the shark jumping isn't exactly accurate.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on November 25, 2011, 11:27:35 AM
Quite frankly,  the entire franchise jumped the shark with Moonraker, and everything thereafter has been passable, at best.  Goldeneye probably topped them after that,  and even that wasn't really what I want to see in a Bond movie. 

edit: it just occurred to me that FYEO came after Moonraker.  That's one of my very favorite Bond movies,  so I guess the shark jumping isn't exactly accurate.

Was about to chime in about FYEO, as that is a great Bond film. Wasn’t that supposed to be before Moonraker, but they released it earlier to cash in on the SW/ST/CEot3K outer space box office blitz?

I really liked Goldeneye, I thought it nicely addressed the post-Cold War themes. Casting Judi Dench as M was a flash of genius.

I haven’t cared for the Craig films, though he shines in the role.

- Lazenby was a horrible actor in a great film.

I thought precisely the opposite.  I was real cool with Lazenby,  I just didn't like the movie. 

I agree too. I honestly couldn’t recall one interesting thing/scene from that movie, it made that little impression on me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MasterShakezula on November 25, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
I've never seen Octopussy, but may want to see it.

Is it as awesome as its title would imply? 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Bongasti on November 25, 2011, 11:33:28 AM
No. The worst Bond movie I've seen.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on November 25, 2011, 11:50:28 AM

- Lazenby was a horrible actor in a great film.

I thought precisely the opposite.  I was real cool with Lazenby,  I just didn't like the movie. 

I agree too. I honestly couldn’t recall one interesting thing/scene from that movie, it made that little impression on me.
Aside from the whole Bond getting married bit,  which was woefully out of character,  I really didn't like the way they portrayed Blofeld.  I dug Telly Savalas in the role. I just didn't like him as an action guy.  Blofeld should be sitting in front of a screen holding his cat, not blasting down the mountain in a skiing gun battle. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 25, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
Octopussy is fine. Even the worst Bond films are entertaining.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 25, 2011, 02:29:27 PM
Octopussy is fine. Even the worst Bond films are entertaining.

This.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on November 25, 2011, 02:31:38 PM
Octopussy is fine. Even the worst Bond films are entertaining.
For the most part, I agree. Even Moonraker is kind of fun. Incredibly stupid, but fun.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TempusVox on November 25, 2011, 03:03:45 PM
About 6 years ago I sat next to Richard Kiel on a flight from of all places Fresno to Chicago (apparently he lives pretty close to Fresno). I didn't want to bother him, but he mentioned that security was actually a pretty smooth experience; so after we exchanged small talk, I took the opportunity to stick out my hand and say "Let me say Mr. Kiel, it's a real pleasure to meet you." We chatted nearly the entire flight. He was really impressed that I knew his name. He said almost everyone he meets looks at him and says either "Wow! It's Jaws!" Or, "You're the guy with those teeth!" Or, he said most young people recognize him from Happy Gilmore. :lol I told him "I'll be honest with you. When I saw you at the gate what I thought of was, "I broke his freakin' neck!" (in reference to his infamous line from "The Longest Yard"). He laughed his ass off. I said his character "Samson" obviously had a bigger impact on my pop-culture psyche than "Jaws" did.  :lol
 He was a really cool guy. He said he has really bad acrophobia. So much so that he has to medicate himself before he gets on a plane, and he thanked me for talking with him because it helped take his mind off of his fear for the most part. That made me a little nervous actually. The guy is freaking massive. I kept thinking, if he loses his shit somewhere over Nebraska, I'm a dead man!  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 25, 2011, 03:48:20 PM
Dude, that's fuckin awesome! I'd love to talk to him.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 25, 2011, 05:09:27 PM
About 6 years ago I sat next to Richard Kiel on a flight from of all places Fresno to Chicago (apparently he lives pretty close to Fresno). I didn't want to bother him, but he mentioned that security was actually a pretty smooth experience; so after we exchanged small talk, I took the opportunity to stick out my hand and say "Let me say Mr. Kiel, it's a real pleasure to meet you." We chatted nearly the entire flight. He was really impressed that I knew his name. He said almost everyone he meets looks at him and says either "Wow! It's Jaws!" Or, "You're the guy with those teeth!" Or, he said most young people recognize him from Happy Gilmore. :lol I told him "I'll be honest with you. When I saw you at the gate what I thought of was, "I broke his freakin' neck!" (in reference to his infamous line from "The Longest Yard"). He laughed his ass off. I said his character "Samson" obviously had a bigger impact on my pop-culture psyche than "Jaws" did.  :lol
 He was a really cool guy. He said he has really bad acrophobia. So much so that he has to medicate himself before he gets on a plane, and he thanked me for talking with him because it helped take his mind off of his fear for the most part. That made me a little nervous actually. The guy is freaking massive. I kept thinking, if he loses his shit somewhere over Nebraska, I'm a dead man!  :lol

Fucking amazing. I'd kill for an experience like that.


As I had mentioned in the black friday thread, in regard to Bond on blu-ray, I had bought For Your Eyes Only and Quantum of Solace a few months back. This week I grabbed the Dr. No/Live and Let Die/Die Another Day 3-pack, Thunderball, Man with the Golden Gun, The World is Not Enough and Casino Royale. My grandmother just let me order From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Moonraker and Licence to Kill as a gift. That's completes the series (so far available) for me...aside from Never Say Never Again (which technically doesn't count). But I own the dvd and will wait on that. I actually had only completed my dvd collection in the summer, after only having the volume 1 collection for the last ten years. Bond has gotten quite a bit of my money this year :P
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on May 01, 2012, 01:01:35 AM
Time to revamp this thread!

FtBD7 and I are starting the James Bond marathon all over again. We started by watching Dr. No and From Russia With Love. It was awesome.
This marathon truly never gets old.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on May 01, 2012, 09:09:11 AM
I'm waiting to rewatch them till the Fall in anticipation for Skyfall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 01, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
I watched QoS again a few weeks ago and the editing did not bother me as much this time.

Not the best story, but I think it's unfairly maligned in some circles.  Hopefully the next movie is more of a return to form.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: zerogravityfat on May 02, 2012, 08:14:18 AM
Bond is hanging out at my favorite spot in Istanbul for the presser, i'm jealy.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2012, 12:07:38 PM
QoS *is* better the second time but it's still nowhere near as good as CasinoRoyale.

Martin Campbell directed my two favourite bonds. GoldenEye and Casino Royale.

He should have done QoS.

plus Martin Campbell only has hit movies when theyre bond.  :loser:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on May 02, 2012, 12:51:42 PM
Agreed both that QoS is better on the second viewing, and that Casino Royale is still far better than it.
Fortunately, it sounds like Sam Mendes is going in the right direction with Skyfall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on May 02, 2012, 04:41:07 PM
Aside from the Heineken nonsense, I'm excited for Skyfall. And no, I don't actually care that much. I realize they need money to make the movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on May 21, 2012, 11:11:33 AM
First Skyfall teaser/trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xJ4dAY3DW4c
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 21, 2012, 11:14:26 AM
That trailer did nothing for me. It could have been a trailer for any other action movie, it didn't even feel like Bond.

But I'll probably go and see it anyway just because it's James Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 21, 2012, 11:43:55 AM
The trailer didn't offer enough for me to make judgement call at this point, but I definitely will go and see it.

    Still haven't even seen QOS though.   I missed it in theaters, and because of the response I never got around to seeing it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on May 21, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
It could have been a trailer for any other action movie, it didn't even feel like Bond.

For me it hasn't felt like Bond in a while. This might be the first Bond movie I haven't seen in the theaters since I was old enough to go to the movies without my parents.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 12, 2012, 07:44:09 PM
So, after years of putting it off, I finally watched Quantum of Solace. I always heard such horrible things, so I put it off, but I actually really liked it. It was like 2 hour non-stop action scene, which I can get down with.

I also enjoyed the subtle throwbacks such as the goldfinger nod with the girl covered in oil on the bed and The spy who loved me nod with the guy on the roof that falls to his death trying to hold 007's tie.

my only real nit pick is the main villain blew so hard. He came off as a weak, non-threatening wuss. Le Chef was interesting, but Greene was just awful. And the theme song was pretty bad as well.

Overall a cool movie, but Goldeneye will always be my favorite.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 08, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
Alright, let's get this thread going again! We're a month and a day away from the release of Skyfall and I wanna begin the countdown by simply posting a link to the film's official theme song, which I think is in the top 5 Bond theme songs.....just amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HKoqNJtMTQ
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 08, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
Wow, that the first bond theme I've really genuinely enjoyed since Tomorrow Never dies. Adele's voice is perfectly suited for it and I'm getting a Goldfinger, Goldeneye vibe. Very powerful and passionate, but subtle at the same time.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on October 08, 2012, 01:58:54 PM
Amazing. I'm no Adele fan, but this song is great, and I can really see it working well in context of a Bond movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on October 08, 2012, 02:52:46 PM
If Argo wasn't comming out, Skyfall would undoubtedly be the movie I was most looking forward to. That being said, I can't fucking wait for this movie. It's looks so good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Dark Castle on October 08, 2012, 03:01:17 PM
Amazing. I'm no Adele fan, but this song is great, and I can really see it working well in context of a Bond movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on October 08, 2012, 03:05:03 PM
Really excited about the new movie. Craig is probably my favorite Bond, and I am excited.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on October 08, 2012, 06:56:22 PM
It doesn't top Chris Cornell's theme, but it's not bad. I think they tried a little too hard to make it sound like a stereotypical Bond song.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 08, 2012, 09:55:03 PM
It doesn't top Chris Cornell's theme, but it's not bad. I think they tried a little too hard to make it sound like a stereotypical Bond song.

These are my thoughts. It's just the usual run of the mill cliche Bond theme. Not a fan of her voice either. It's a lot better than the QoS one, but it's pretty average. You Know My Name is the best recent one, because it sounds like Bond without trying too hard.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on December 20, 2012, 11:05:34 AM
I recently purchased the Bond 50 set, and it's awesome!

If I were to rank the Bond films I've seen:

1. Skyfall
2. Goldfinger
3. Goldeneye
4. The Man with the Golden Gun
5. Casino Royale
6. Dr. No
7. The Living Daylights
8. The World is Not Enough
9. Quantum of Solace
10. Die Another Day

I know I'm missing out on some of the classics, but my plan is to save some of the best for last. Skyfall at number 1 probably isn't much of a surprise, and I thought maybe I liked it so much because I just saw it in theaters and that feeling of watching a movie in theaters. However, it stuck with me, and I found it to be the most dramatic Bond yet. It was brilliant.

Quantum of Solace, I haven't seen since it was in theaters, and same with Die Another Day, so I'll rewatch those ASAP.

And yes, The Man with the Golden Gun is up there. That movie fucking owns, but it seems to get a lot of hate. Why??  :hat
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 20, 2012, 11:49:53 AM
I recently purchased the Bond 50 set, and it's awesome!

If I were to rank the Bond films I've seen:

1. Skyfall
2. Goldfinger
3. Goldeneye
4. The Man with the Golden Gun
5. Casino Royale
6. Dr. No
7. The Living Daylights
8. The World is Not Enough
9. Quantum of Solace
10. Die Another Day

I know I'm missing out on some of the classics, but my plan is to save some of the best for last. Skyfall at number 1 probably isn't much of a surprise, and I thought maybe I liked it so much because I just saw it in theaters and that feeling of watching a movie in theaters. However, it stuck with me, and I found it to be the most dramatic Bond yet. It was brilliant.

Quantum of Solace, I haven't seen since it was in theaters, and same with Die Another Day, so I'll rewatch those ASAP.

And yes, The Man with the Golden Gun is up there. That movie fucking owns, but it seems to get a lot of hate. Why??  :hat

I know everyone has their opinions, which is awesome, but my god Quantum is the absolute worst Bond film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on December 20, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
I'm going through them in order, and I just got done seeing OHMSS for the first time ever.   Ironically enough, that's actually a pretty good movie/story...the only real weak point is Bond himself.   And I don't think it was Lazenby's fault...I think his dialog was written poorly, and in addition, I just don't think Lazenby was into it.

Diana Rigg was incredible, Telly Savalas did his job fantastic.  The story itself was intriguing...the only thing missing was Bond. 

To be fair, I'm not sure Connery would have been a heck of a lot better in that time/place...because Connery wasn't really into the character anymore either...and I felt it showed on You Only Live Twice.   It was good...but after the first four (which are all classic) YOLT was starting to feel a bit like a caricature.

Looking forward to DAF though...just because I always thought Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd were both very comical, and yet very creepy.  Probably some nostalgia talking there.

After that, I get to rewatch the Moore movies...which are just SO hit and miss with me.   I remember liking FYEO quite a bit...but mostly despising the rest.  LALD is a Bond "blaxsploitation" film and just comes across as stupid.  MWTGG is underrated but forgettable.  (it's not as bad as everyone says it is...but it's just OK).   And to tell you the truth, I don't remember a single thing about Octopussy, because I havn't seen it since I saw it in the theater when it was first released....so that will be practically like seeing it for the first time again.      Beyond the Moore films... I've never seen DAD, but I heard that I'm not missing much.  I've also never seen QoS, so I'm reserving judgment on that one.

The ones I'm *really* looking forward to are the Timothy Dalton films, which are among my personal faves....and definitely the most underrated movies of the entire series...and Dalton is seriously the most underrated Bond. 

The ones I'm seriously dreading (but I'm a complete-ist, so I'll watch them anyway) are the aforementioned LALD, and of course the worst of them all...(shudder)..Moonraker.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on December 20, 2012, 12:24:38 PM
....and I always used to hold up Thunderball as my favorite.  But I didn't like it as well this time around.   So far on this viewing, the one that has *really* stuck out at me as having all the pieces in place, was From Russia With Love. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on December 20, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
I know everyone has their opinions, which is awesome, but my god Quantum is the absolute worst Bond film.
It really isn't.
I will probably never understand why some people hate QoS so much. Sure, it's definitely the weakest of the Craig films so far, and probably around the middle of the pack overall, but worst in the series? No. Not even close.

My opinion of the film has actually improved a bit each time I've seen it. Seeing it in theaters the first time, it was okay, but a bit underwhelming after Casino Royale. Seeing it again, knowing what the villain's plan was, it was actually more enjoyable than the first time. Yes, there are problems with it (largely due to the writers strike at the time), and some of the editing choices are less than stellar (overly frantic action scene editing, over the top location cards). Overall, it's a decent action film with some good moments, and good performances from most of the main cast. Craig's performance alone elevates it above some other Bond films.

If someone actually claims that it's worse than Die Another Day or Diamonds Are Forever, they haven't seen at least one of the films in question.

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The ones I'm *really* looking forward to are the Timothy Dalton films, which are among my personal faves....and definitely the most underrated movies of the entire series...and Dalton is seriously the most underrated Bond.
This I definitely agree with. Dalton is a fantastic Bond, and it's a shame that he didn't get to do a third film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on December 20, 2012, 12:57:29 PM
....and I always used to hold up Thunderball as my favorite.  But I didn't like it as well this time around.   So far on this viewing, the one that has *really* stuck out at me as having all the pieces in place, was From Russia With Love.
Personally, I've never been a fan of Thunderball. I've tried again and again to like it, but it has never clicked with me.
Dr No, From Russia With Love, and Goldfinger are all fantastic (FRWL especially), and You Only Live Twice is a bit sillier, but still fun.

The pacing and editing just feel very mechanical for the most part. In the first three films, scenes play out in a way where you don't really think about the editing. In Thunderball, there are a lot of scenes where it feels like they had a checklist of things they needed to get through, and just rushed through them to get through some exposition/plot development and get on to the next thing. A lot of the dialog delivery feels like they taped a rehearsal, with the actors rushing through their lines, and just reading instead of acting, to make sure they had their dialog down. In half of the scenes (including a lot of shorter ones that almost felt like afterthoughts), the edit will almost cut off a character's dialog as it transitions to the next scene.

The theft of the nuclear missiles is far too drawn out (I'm willing to acknowledge that it was probably more interesting to watch back in 1965). That whole sequence could have been about half as long without losing anything. The whole bit with Bond at the health clinic goes on far too long as well. None of it is as amusing or thrilling as it was probably supposed to be. The underwater 'action' sequences are dull rather than exciting, and just drag and drag. Again, I get that it was a new idea in 1965, but it's just sleep inducing to sit through now (and again, I greatly enjoyed Connery's first three Bond films). Other action sequences, including the final confrontation with Largo, are completely ruined by the terrible looking sped up film. It drains any tension or energy right out of the sequence.

They introduce a ton of characters, and then proceed to develop almost none of them. At all. The henchmen have names and... well, that's about it really. Extremely forgettable. Fiona Volpe is the only villain in the film who is at all interesting. Connery also seems a lot less engaged in the role.

Anyway, just my two cents on it. Again, Connery's first three are classics, and still enjoyable to watch today. It's just a shame that there were so many missteps with Thunderball.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on December 20, 2012, 01:07:28 PM
Also...in FRWL, I may have found my new favorite Bond girl.   GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY!!!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 20, 2012, 01:59:19 PM
I know everyone has their opinions, which is awesome, but my god Quantum is the absolute worst Bond film.
It really isn't.
I will probably never understand why some people hate QoS so much. Sure, it's definitely the weakest of the Craig films so far, and probably around the middle of the pack overall, but worst in the series? No. Not even close.

My opinion of the film has actually improved a bit each time I've seen it. Seeing it in theaters the first time, it was okay, but a bit underwhelming after Casino Royale. Seeing it again, knowing what the villain's plan was, it was actually more enjoyable than the first time. Yes, there are problems with it (largely due to the writers strike at the time), and some of the editing choices are less than stellar (overly frantic action scene editing, over the top location cards). Overall, it's a decent action film with some good moments, and good performances from most of the main cast. Craig's performance alone elevates it above some other Bond films.

If someone actually claims that it's worse than Die Another Day or Diamonds Are Forever, they haven't seen at least one of the films in question.

I can see what you mean, but for me with Quantum, it's Murphy's law.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on January 06, 2013, 05:08:02 PM
So I was thinking about running a James Bond survivor within the next few weeks if I can get enough people to participate. Anybody up for it?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 06, 2013, 07:21:31 PM
Count me in.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 07, 2013, 12:00:27 AM
I'm in too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on January 07, 2013, 06:18:08 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 09, 2013, 05:40:56 AM
I'm in as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 23, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
I must say this would be pretty awesome if it were happening:
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It is also rumored that all six Bonds - Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig – will appear together for the first time ever at the ceremony to mark the movie franchise’s 50 years.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/adele-confirmed-to-perform-skyfall-live-at-the-oscars-3362935.html
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: tapsmiled on January 23, 2013, 07:38:07 PM
I'm kinda stunned that there are so few reviews of Skyfall in this thread. I felt like the last 15 minutes if that movie were absolute bliss, and Bardem is one of the best Bond villains. The scene when he and Bond meet us among my favorite scenes ever in a Bond flick.

As far as QoS, it was really hampered by the writer's strike, and I think the studio was forced to release it in order to retain the rights.  It was okay, but CR was such a perfect movie that it was nearly impossible to meet expectations.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 23, 2013, 09:37:58 PM
I must say this would be pretty awesome if it were happening:
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It is also rumored that all six Bonds - Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig – will appear together for the first time ever at the ceremony to mark the movie franchise’s 50 years.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/adele-confirmed-to-perform-skyfall-live-at-the-oscars-3362935.html
It would be insanely cool if that actually ended up happening.

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I'm kinda stunned that there are so few reviews of Skyfall in this thread. I felt like the last 15 minutes if that movie were absolute bliss, and Bardem is one of the best Bond villains. The scene when he and Bond meet us among my favorite scenes ever in a Bond flick.

As far as QoS, it was really hampered by the writer's strike, and I think the studio was forced to release it in order to retain the rights.  It was okay, but CR was such a perfect movie that it was nearly impossible to meet expectations.
I absolutely loved Skyfall the first time I saw it, liked it even more the second time I went to see it, and my opinion of it has only gone up thinking about it since. It's easily one of the best films in the series. I can't wait for the BluRay to come out.

With QoS, there were no concerns with retaining rights, but a lot of things had been set in motion and a lot of money had been spent, so they had to forge on without the writers. While it did hurt the movie a bit, I feel that it only gets as bad a rap as it does because of the inevitable comparisons to Casino Royale (and now to Skyfall as well).


Also, I watched the first two seasons of Luther on Netflix over the past few days (British series, so that's only ten episodes in total). I really, really hope the rumors are true about Idris Elba being considered as the next James Bond. Yes, I want Craig to stick around for as long as he can; Elba would just also be amazing in the role.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2013, 07:44:34 AM
Idris Elba would be a cool James Bond.

He was one of the best things about Prometheus.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Ħ on January 25, 2013, 04:56:03 PM
Just took a Scottish shower cause I wanted to feel like Mr. Bond. Actually....I quite liked it. I think I'll take showers like that from now on.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: tapsmiled on January 25, 2013, 06:03:51 PM
I think Elba is a great actor, but I want the Bond character to stay as it was written and as it has been portrayed in every movie.  Some things are sacred.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 26, 2013, 09:59:29 PM
I think Elba is a great actor, but I want the Bond character to stay as it was written and as it has been portrayed in every movie.  Some things are sacred.
Roger Moore already gave us a version of Bond that was nothing like the written character personality wise.
For physical traits, Craig has blonde hair, which is unlike the written character.
As long as the actor is British or Irish, and right for the part acting wise, I don't see what the problem would be.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: tapsmiled on January 28, 2013, 01:55:47 PM
You make a good point, but it just doesn't work for me, regardless of much I like Elba.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 29, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
As long as it doesn't turn into OSS 117, I don't mind Elba. Hell, he has so much charisma behind him I might take a liking to him.

And hell, if they made Spider-man Hispanic, I think I can live with Elba.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 02, 2013, 01:44:15 AM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on March 02, 2013, 10:01:26 AM
I think Elba is a great actor, but I want the Bond character to stay as it was written and as it has been portrayed in every movie.  Some things are sacred.
Roger Moore already gave us a version of Bond that was nothing like the written character personality wise.
For physical traits, Craig has blonde hair, which is unlike the written character.
As long as the actor is British or Irish, and right for the part acting wise, I don't see what the problem would be.

Lazenby was Australian.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 02, 2013, 10:11:59 AM
I think Elba is a great actor, but I want the Bond character to stay as it was written and as it has been portrayed in every movie.  Some things are sacred.
Roger Moore already gave us a version of Bond that was nothing like the written character personality wise.
For physical traits, Craig has blonde hair, which is unlike the written character.
As long as the actor is British or Irish, and right for the part acting wise, I don't see what the problem would be.

Lazenby was Australian a British criminal.
FIFY :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2013, 03:42:47 PM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.

Fantastic.

 :'(
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on March 02, 2013, 03:45:19 PM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.

That was amazing. The finish was godlike, and even though I've already said it more than often enough, I'll repeat: the Skyfall theme is one of the best bond themes ever and it fits the video soooooooooooo well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2013, 03:46:50 PM
Just reminded me of growing up with bond movies.

i'm 35 this year and can remember it always being on tv or a new one coming out pretty much forever.

My Dad and I are massive Bond fans so it's a huge part of my life..

So yeah - I got a bit emotional hehe.  :blush


And yeah - Skyfall has the best Bond song in YEARS. * At least * since Goldeneye.

Casino Royale had a great theme tune. Quantum Of Solace was AWFUL. - That film was just bad on every level it seems.

Licence to Kill was an ok song. Don't remember what Living Daylights was.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 02, 2013, 04:11:44 PM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.

That was amazing. The finish was godlike, and even though I've already said it more than often enough, I'll repeat: the Skyfall theme is one of the best bond themes ever and it fits the video soooooooooooo well.
I'll have to agree on that, the funny thing is that it has more bond feel than any other theme in a long time and so has the movie. Both fresh and yet very traditional.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 02, 2013, 05:13:39 PM

That was amazing. The finish was godlike, and even though I've already said it more than often enough, I'll repeat: the Skyfall theme is one of the best bond themes ever and it fits the video soooooooooooo well.
I'll have to agree on that, the funny thing is that it has more bond feel than any other theme in a long time and so has the movie. Both fresh and yet very traditional.

Amen to that. I absolutely love the Skyfall theme and I haven't loved a theme like that since Goldeneye. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 27, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
SPECTRE Teaser trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQJbF2CXLQ)

Looks to be a dark movie, like that very much.  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 27, 2015, 07:58:57 PM
 :hefdaddy :omg: This has potential.

Christoph Waltz as the main bad guy ? Yes please !
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on March 27, 2015, 10:10:54 PM
SPECTRE Teaser trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQJbF2CXLQ)

Looks to be a dark movie, like that very much.  :tup

I LOVE how it's tying into all the previous Craig films too, with the references to Skyfall and having Mr. White make an appearance. :tup

It definitely has a darker edge to it visually than Skyfall, which is likely due to the switch of DPs from Roger Deakins to Hoyte van Hoytema. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 28, 2015, 01:05:20 AM
That trailer looks amazing. Really pumped for this one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.

That was amazing. The finish was godlike, and even though I've already said it more than often enough, I'll repeat: the Skyfall theme is one of the best bond themes ever and it fits the video soooooooooooo well.

The Skyfall theme is one of the better ones, but I think it's kinda overrated. It's not all that. A lot better than the travesty that was Quantum of Solace though.

The new trailer was too brief to excite me yet, but I like the guy playing the villian, and based on this I'm confident it's going to be great.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 28, 2015, 10:01:58 AM
The Skyfall theme is one of the better ones, but I think it's kinda overrated.

The Skyfall theme is indeed good, but when combined with the imagery of the Skyfall intro it becomes truly awesome.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
The Skyfall theme is one of the better ones, but I think it's kinda overrated.

The Skyfall theme is indeed good, but when combined with the imagery of the Skyfall intro it becomes truly awesome.

All of the intros since they rebooted it have been pretty awesome, and that one does work great as a whole. :tup

My personal favourite is the Casino Royale intro. It blew me away the first time I saw it, and I still love it and the unique style of it, and the way it fits with the music, which is my favourite Bond theme since the 1970s.

I don't know if it's coincidence that I think the worst Bond intro visually is also the one with the worst music, Die Another Day.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on March 28, 2015, 10:12:54 AM
I've been working my way through all the bond movies. I just watched Moonraker yesterday. I did not think it was as bad as people say it is. It's not even my least favorite Moore era bond so far. That Honor would go to The Man With The Golden Gun.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2015, 10:18:17 AM
I've been working my way through all the bond movies. I just watched Moonraker yesterday. I did not think it was as bad as people say it is. It's not even my least favorite Moore era bond so far. That Honor would go to The Man With The Golden Gun.

I maintain that Moonraker is a pretty good Bond movie until it turns into Star Wars. :lol
The Man With The Golden Gun is cool too. It's so awesomely '70s, with Christopher Lee teamed up with Tattoo for an evil plan involving solar power or something, and the iconic signature weapon. I love the theme too, with the fuzz guitar.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2015, 10:19:43 AM
I've been into Bond as long as I can remember. My dad is a big fan and we were both into
Moore's films. I don't dislike any of his films.

My favourite movie overall is Goldeneye and then Casino Royale a very close second.

Third might be A View To A Kill as it was my favourite growing up.

Or The Spy Who Loved Me.

Worst is easily Die Another Day.

Just terrible.

And QOS is a mis step but it's not awful.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 28, 2015, 11:09:05 AM
im in on it, I am a Bond fanatic. This new one looks promising. It could be something very special
.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 28, 2015, 04:36:43 PM
I'm an obsessive Bond fan too.

I am sooooo fucking pumped for Spectre.....the way it's shaping up, it may be one of, if not the best Bond film of the modern age. The amazing cast, the locations, the car....it's all falling into place.

I'm particularly happy that they're heading back to the alps. Snow sequences are my fav in Bond  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2015, 04:46:33 PM

I'm particularly happy that they're heading back to the alps. Snow sequences are my fav in Bond  :tup

Roger Moore snowboarding on a snowplough Sled FTW !!!!

One of my Dad's favourite Bond sequences ever.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on March 28, 2015, 06:39:25 PM
So is Waltz supposed to be Blofeld? That would actually be pretty damned cool. I was always a big ESB fan and CW is certainly fun to watch.

Personally, I dropped out of the whole Bond thing after FYEO. Not because it turned me off, it was a great flick, but because what I saw afterward was never my interest. For a while it turned into mostly action stuff, which isn't what I want in a Bond flick. With Craig it seemed to go away from that somewhat (at least with Casino Royale) but it still didn't really do it for me. With a return to SPECTRE as the opposition I'd certainly be interested in this.

Actually glad to see this, in fact, as I just saw the trailer for MI:WTFEver and it left a sour taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 29, 2015, 03:07:53 AM
Actually glad to see this, in fact, as I just saw the trailer for MI:WTFEver and it left a sour taste in my mouth.

The Spectre trailer is far better and cooler for sure, but the Mission Impossible trailer looks pretty sweet too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Onno on March 29, 2015, 03:42:53 AM
Loved the new trailer. I think Christoph Waltz is a very, very good actor and I can't wait to see him play the villain in this movie. Javier Bardem was great in Skyfall but I can easily imagine Waltz topping Bardem's performance.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 29, 2015, 11:39:01 AM
So I've read 2 rumors online over the past year, both credible. The first is that Craig's next film (his 5th) will be his last. The second is that Spectre and the next film will be a 2-parter. So my friend and I were brainstorming ideas on where they will take the whole Spectre thing and we came up with a cool idea that we'd both like to see:

First he meets Mr. White/Quantum again and he reveals that Quantum is a branch of Spectre. Bond will encounter the organization and its lower members (henchmen) and finally Waltz's character, who is Number 2. He'll battle him throughout the film and defeat him. For an ending cliffhanger scene, 2 Spectre members enter a room and announce Number 2 has been eliminated. Then they show the back of Blofeld's head and a closeup of his fingers stroking the cat and then a cut to black, setting it up for the next film, where Bond will battle him.

Thus, Daniel Craig's run of Bond films has a complete story arc.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
Who would we like to play Blofeld?

Patrick Stewart ?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: masterthes on March 30, 2015, 07:10:25 AM
I think Waltz will be Blofeld without a doubt
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
Do something really ironic and cast Mike Myers as Blofeld.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 30, 2015, 02:32:16 PM
I am not as old as EB (sorry, bro) but my feelings about Bond are smiliar. But along with the action, though, it was why the action was happening. Was it happening to advance the plot, or was it more of Michael Bay-type action, for the sake of stuff blowing up. There was some intense action in Skyfall, but it seemed to all have its appropriate place within the movie and was paced well throughout, unlike, say, DAD, in which all the action got tedious, because at some point I lost interest in what the story was actually all about.

Count me pumped for this movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: chaossystem on April 02, 2015, 12:29:20 PM
Craig's next film (his 5th) will be his last.

I'm pretty sure there have only been THREE so far:

1) Casino Royale

2) Quantum of Solace

3) Skyfall

However, if the the next one is in two parts, then there WILL be a total of five, I guess.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 02, 2015, 01:42:18 PM
i assumed that meant next after Spectre, so 5th
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 02, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
He's contracted for five, but the producers have said that Craig will be Bond for as long as he wants to be Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 02, 2015, 04:15:22 PM
He's contracted for five, but the producers have said that Craig will be Bond for as long as he wants to be Bond.

True, but I remember Craig saying in an interview that he's ready to move on. So my guess is his total will be 5.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:35:47 PM
Given that Skyfall was delayed due to MGM's financial troubles, by the time he gets to 5 films, that will have already been like 11 or 12 years as one character. That's a decent amount of time. Plus it would be good to go out on top with a strong series of movies (I'll excuse QoS due to the writer's strike) with a cohesive flow.
And he's already 47, so maybe he doesn't want to be playing Bond well into his 50s. Roger Moore held on till age 58, and he definitely seemed too old by then.

I think 5 movies will be just right.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2015, 04:40:06 PM
Given that Skyfall was delayed due to MGM's financial troubles, by the time he gets to 5 films, that will have already been like 11 or 12 years as one character. That's a decent amount of time. Plus it would be good to go out on top with a strong series of movies (I'll excuse QoS due to the writer's strike) with a cohesive flow.
And he's already 47, so maybe he doesn't want to be playing Bond well into his 50s. Roger Moore held on till age 58, and he definitely seemed too old by then.

I think 5 movies will be just right.

Goddammit.  I hate when you're rational.  I've got nothing to say.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:41:19 PM
Goddammit.  I hate when you're rational.  I've got nothing to say.

Luckily this isn't a problem you have to deal with often.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2015, 04:43:27 PM
Thankfully you and I have much fodder between ourselves to work with.  I loved Skyfall and look forward to the next installment.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
I loved Skyfall too, and I liked the more classic direction they took it to set up future movies. I also look forward to seeing Batista away from wrestling. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2015, 04:51:28 PM
I loved Skyfall too, and I liked the more classic direction they took it to set up future movies. I also look forward to seeing Batista away from wrestling. :biggrin:

Did you see Guardians Of The Galaxy Blob?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
Nope, and I don't plan to. But I'm glad it did well for him.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2015, 04:57:24 PM
Nope, and I don't plan to. But I'm glad it did well for him.

Damn man, it was a good movie!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 02, 2015, 05:36:59 PM
Agreed. I resisted seeing it - but it's so good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 02, 2015, 05:39:35 PM
Goddammit.  I hate when you're rational.  I've got nothing to say.

Luckily this isn't a problem you have to deal with often.

Did I read it here or on another forum ? Someone else said that assuming that Spectre is the set up and the *next* film ( Bond 25 after all ) is the big climax -

- 5 films could be perfect and actually have an arc through all 5 films with recurring characters. Five Movies, Bond 25. The perfect time to bow out for D.C.

Casino Royale - Quantum Of Solace ( it's not as bad as Die Another Day ) - SkyFall - Spectre - Bond 25.


I'd love either Sam Mendes to complete his trilogy OR get Martin Campbell in for one last bond as it's a milestone. His Bond films are my top 2 :

1. Goldeneye
2. Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 02, 2015, 08:20:30 PM
He's contracted for five, but the producers have said that Craig will be Bond for as long as he wants to be Bond.

True, but I remember Craig saying in an interview that he's ready to move on. So my guess is his total will be 5.

Actually, I posted that with the intent of indicating that he might leave after Spectre and just do four films.

I've heard some rumors that indicate this film will likely act as the final culmination of his Bond's overall character arc and that future Bond films will go back to the usual episodic formula that they had before Craig's run in the tux.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 03, 2015, 01:27:02 AM
I don't think Quantum of Solace was a bad movie. I didn't really like it the first time I saw it, but it has defnetely improved after watching it again. It's still Craig's least good Bond-movie, but I quite like it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Dark Castle on April 03, 2015, 11:19:18 AM
I don't think Quantum of Solace was a bad movie. I didn't really like it the first time I saw it, but it has defnetely improved after watching it again. It's still Craig's least good Bond-movie, but I quite like it.
I agree with this.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 03, 2015, 01:32:20 PM

Since everybody could not stop talking shit on it at the time of its release, I put off watching it for a couple years, but when I finally got around to watching it, I was really pleasantly surprised. Besides a fairly weak villain, I really like QoS.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 01:02:55 PM
I liked QoS when I first saw it and then liked it less and less with each repeated viewing. One of the biggest issues with the film is that it really only works as an extended epilogue to a far better film (Casino Royale). It just doesn't hold up well on its own at all.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 04, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
QoS is my least fav Bond film, dead last. Not Craig's fault though, he's tied with Connery for my fav actor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on April 04, 2015, 03:17:32 PM
The editing at the end of QoS was horrendous, especially when dealing with the villain. I don't remember the particulars since its been years since I saw the movie but I remember the ending being very quick, bad, and almost deus ex machina.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 05:30:15 PM
QoS is my least fav Bond film, dead last. Not Craig's fault though, he's tied with Connery for my fav actor.

It's a lesser Bond film, but there have been far, far worse entries in the series I think. Roger Moore had several disasters, Connery had two stinkers and Brosnan had two or three misses too.
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Post by: Scorpion on April 04, 2015, 05:53:46 PM
I don't understand how you can say that Moore had disasters and then not apply the same term or worse to Brosnan for Die Another Day.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 06:02:49 PM
I don't understand how you can say that Moore had disasters and then not apply the same term or worse to Brosnan for Die Another Day.

I was including DAD in my "misses." It just happens to be a HUGE miss on Brosnan's part. That said, I still rank at least Moonraker below it. That film... is wrong. It's wrong on so many levels. Funny enough, the original book Moonraker bears more resemblance to the plot of DAD than it does the film that shares its name, though the book is vastly superior to either film.

That said, the Bond film that earns the most hatred and scorn from me is You Only Live Twice. It's not the worst Bond film ever, by any means, but it committed the greatest sin of the series: tossing away the story of the original book and replacing it with a standard Bond romp. Normally I'm not one to care much about the differences between a film and the book that it spawned from, but it's sacrilege in the case of YOLT. The book isn't like any other Bond story out there and was by far the most original and creative work from Ian Fleming in the series.
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Post by: Scorpion on April 04, 2015, 06:08:35 PM
Yeah, Moonraker is hilariously awful too.

But it was mostly a communication thing. I was thinking that "miss" was a qualifier and not as bad as "disaster" in your book. :tup

Also I should probably read some of the books. Your description of YOLT has me intrigued, even though the movie was very average.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 06:19:51 PM
Yeah, Moonraker is hilariously awful too.

But it was mostly a communication thing. I was thinking that "miss" was a qualifier and not as bad as "disaster" in your book. :tup

That said, Moonraker did at least give us that little gem of a line at the ending: "I think he's attempting re-entry, sir."

Comedy gold, right there.

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Also I should probably read some of the books. Your description of YOLT has me intrigued, even though the movie was very average.

Be sure to take care in picking which books to read! Some are brilliant, some are fun romps and others are rather dreadful. My personal favorites are (in chronological order): Casino Royale, From Russia With Love, Dr. No and the Spectre trilogy. The trilogy is composed of Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and You Only Live Twice.

One of the biggest issues of the film YOLT is that it's misplaced in the order and the book's story can only work if you set it after OHMSS. The film series put in some very minor efforts to try and make the film version of Diamonds are Forever act as its version of the book YOLT (aka they point out that Bond wants revenge on Blofeld), but it lacks all the nuance and intelligence of the novel.

In the book, the setting of Japan acts as more than just another exotic location for Bond to explore; he undergoes a sort of spiritual healing through delving himself into the Japanese culture. It's an incredibly gloomy and macabre story that is really unlike anything else in the Bond mythos, be it novels or films. The closest comparison that I could make would probably be Skyfall, and even that's still pretty different from YOLT.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 04, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
Interesting. I have most of the books but I don't think I've read them all. I think I'll read the Spectre trilogy next.

Also I have no problems with Moonraker. I know it's much different than the book but it's just a campy action movie. I had much bigger problems with every other Bronson movie other than Goldeneye.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 07:05:44 PM
Interesting. I have most of the books but I don't think I've read them all. I think I'll read the Spectre trilogy next.

Also I have no problems with Moonraker. I know it's much different than the book but it's just a campy action movie. I had much bigger problems with every other Bronson movie other than Goldeneye.

The Spectre trilogy are my personal favorites of the Bond novels. You get one of the best standard Bond stories ever in Thunderball, THE best Bond story in OHMSS and then the darkest and most original story to ever grace the Bond series with YOLT (my personal favorite).
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 04, 2015, 08:51:06 PM
I'll watch DAD over Quantum any day of the week.

Yes, there are weaker entries in the series, but those are still entertaining. Everything I can think of about Quantum is bad, IMO.
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Post by: Scorpion on April 05, 2015, 02:45:02 AM
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 05, 2015, 07:04:07 AM
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.

Yeah seriously, holy shit.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 05, 2015, 07:21:33 AM
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.

Yeah seriously, holy shit.

Or that painfully obvious CGI Bond surfing.
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Post by: Zantera on April 05, 2015, 07:58:27 AM
I wouldn't just say Die Another Die is one of the worst Bond movies, but one of the worst movies I've seen. I saw it when it came out, and I was maybe 10-11 at the time, and even then I was baffled at how stupid most of the movie was. Bond surfing and being chased by a space laser is probably the highlight.  :lol
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 05, 2015, 08:21:07 AM
My biggest disappointment with the movies so far is that OHMSS does not have a proper followup. OHMSS surprisingly became one of my favorite bond movies even though Lazenby isn't the best bond but considering this was basically his first acting job he wasn't that bad. I think he would've improved a lot if he stayed on for more than one film. Its like when Connery came back for DAF they just completely ignored OHMSS and it felt like a sequel to YOLT. Which is a shame because OHMSS has one of the best and darkest endings of the series. They don't even mention the ending until the spy who loved me.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 05, 2015, 08:25:57 AM
I couldn't even make it to the end of OHMSS because of Lazenby but I should probably give it another shot. At the time I was just so enamored with the Connery/Moore Bond's that watching Lazenby was pretty much "who the hell is this guy?"
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 05, 2015, 09:39:01 AM
My biggest disappointment with the movies so far is that OHMSS does not have a proper followup. OHMSS surprisingly became one of my favorite bond movies even though Lazenby isn't the best bond but considering this was basically his first acting job he wasn't that bad. I think he would've improved a lot if he stayed on for more than one film. Its like when Connery came back for DAF they just completely ignored OHMSS and it felt like a sequel to YOLT. Which is a shame because OHMSS has one of the best and darkest endings of the series. They don't even mention the ending until the spy who loved me.

In that case, you need to read the book version of YOLT. OHMSS is one of the most book-accurate films in the series, so if you'd like to see any sort of proper followup, the book YOLT is the place to go. :tup
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Post by: orcus116 on April 06, 2015, 05:20:46 PM
I started Thunderball last night and before I knew it I was 40 pages in. Just starting to get into the whole SPECTRE storyline. Thank you for unintentionally reminding me I had these on my shelf collecting dust.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 06, 2015, 07:12:11 PM
I wouldn't just say Die Another Die is one of the worst Bond movies, but one of the worst movies I've seen. I saw it when it came out, and I was maybe 10-11 at the time, and even then I was baffled at how stupid most of the movie was. Bond surfing and being chased by a space laser is probably the highlight.  :lol

Die another day is the Batman and Robin (1997) of Bond. Just an absolute joke of a movie. I've loved bond almost my entire life with Goldeneye being my favorite, but coming out of that theater, I was embarrassed to be a Bond fan.

But then again, it led to Casino Royale (aka batman begins), but at least there's that silver lining.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 07, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
I've been doing a bit more research and thinking on the whole matter of how much longer Daniel Craig has left as James Bond, and I think it'll likely be one of the following two options. There are some rumors that are potentially big spoilers on Spectre that feed into this though...

1. Spectre is Craig's last film as Bond and they leave the rumored open-ended conclusion as-is; essentially a happy twist on OHMSS's ending
2. Craig comes back for one last Bond film, probably also with Mendes directing, and it likely continues the "S" trilogy with the title, Shatterhand, by taking Spectre's ending and opens up shortly afterward to turn it into OHMSS-territory and then largely takes from the original YOLT novel plot in exploring Bond's darkest hour and final confrontation with Blofeld.


Just my thoughts though.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 07, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 07, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.

Yep. If that ends up happening, I feel rather confident in guessing that the title for Bond 25 will be Shatterhand, to continue with the single-word "S" titles. Shatterhand is Blofeld's pseudonym in the novel version of YOLT.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 07, 2015, 12:56:15 PM
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.

Yep. If that ends up happening, I feel rather confident in guessing that the title for Bond 25 will be Shatterhand, to continue with the single-word "S" titles. Shatterhand is Blofeld's pseudonym in the novel version of YOLT.

I approve of all of this.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 07, 2015, 01:55:28 PM
Just watched for your eyes only and overall I really enjoyed it. The humor in the Moore movies can be hit or miss but most of it here worked for me. I especially loved the anti-burglary system in his car.

The only thing I didn't like about the movie was the opening featuring not Blofeld.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 07, 2015, 07:04:26 PM
Really looking forward to SPECTRE, but I swear to god, if Blofeld is not in drag, then I'm walking out.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p98Xjg_qnWg/TnaPhJrQ8BI/AAAAAAAACuw/2A-mftBF0D4/s1600/diamondsareforeverdisc1085ny4.png)

I take my Bond films very seriously
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 07, 2015, 07:33:41 PM
Really looking forward to SPECTRE, but I swear to god, if Blofeld is not in drag, then I'm walking out.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p98Xjg_qnWg/TnaPhJrQ8BI/AAAAAAAACuw/2A-mftBF0D4/s1600/diamondsareforeverdisc1085ny4.png)

I take my Bond films very seriously

:lol Ugh, I tend to block out the vast majority of Diamonds are Forever in my mind. There's only the Crematorium sequence and all of its disturbing glory in my head. Nothing else.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 08, 2015, 03:39:42 AM
Which is the movie where Bond scoops up Blofeld with a helicopter and drops him down a factory chimney?
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 08, 2015, 05:37:27 AM
Pretty sure that's the one with the volcano at the end ?

But my brain can only picture Moore in the helicopter so I'm not sure.

Is it the one with Little Nelly the autogiro?

You only live twice?
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 08, 2015, 07:27:50 AM
Which is the movie where Bond scoops up Blofeld with a helicopter and drops him down a factory chimney?

For your eyes only, That opening was the only thing i really didn't like about that movie
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Post by: Scorpion on April 08, 2015, 08:59:45 AM
Yeah, then we agree on that haha.

So bad.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 08, 2015, 09:14:19 AM
Pretty sure that's the one with the volcano at the end ?

But my brain can only picture Moore in the helicopter so I'm not sure.

Is it the one with Little Nelly the autogiro?

You only live twice?

As they said, Blofeld being dropped into a chimney is in For Your Eyes Only, but yeah... Little Nelly is in the movie version of You Only Live Twice. :censored >:( :tdwn :angry: 

I need to go back and watch the Bond movies over again. I had the odd realization last night that I rank On Her Majesty's Secret Service over pretty much every Connery film, possibly even From Russia With Love and need to be sure on that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 08, 2015, 10:57:25 AM
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 08, 2015, 12:52:47 PM
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.

I quite like Dr. No and Thunderball, while also LOVING From Russia With Love, but I do think Goldfinger is highly overrated. Seriously, the supposed "greatest" Bond film of all-time is set in... Kentucky. Really?!

Also, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever were terrible.

That said, I'm really not a fan of Moore's Bond. Growing up, I liked Live and Let Die and I kinda liked The Spy Who Loved Me, but I pretty much hated every other film he did as Bond. I'm not sure how my opinions on LALD and TSWLM hold up today, since it's been years since I last saw either film.

I don't know if this is right or not, but I also remember reading that Moore wasn't interested in playing Bond as Ian Fleming wrote him. I really don't like that, personally, though he did do decently in his take on the role in some films. He's basically just as responsible for Austin Powers as Connery was.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 08, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.

I quite like Dr. No and Thunderball, while also LOVING From Russia With Love, but I do think Goldfinger is highly overrated. Seriously, the supposed "greatest" Bond film of all-time is set in... Kentucky. Really?!

Also, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever were terrible.

That said, I'm really not a fan of Moore's Bond. Growing up, I liked Live and Let Die and I kinda liked The Spy Who Loved Me, but I pretty much hated every other film he did as Bond. I'm not sure how my opinions on LALD and TSWLM hold up today, since it's been years since I last saw either film.

I don't know if this is right or not, but I also remember reading that Moore wasn't interested in playing Bond as Ian Fleming wrote him. I really don't like that, personally, though he did do decently in his take on the role in some films. He's basically just as responsible for Austin Powers as Connery was.

It's been a couple years since I've seen YOLT but I remember liking it.  If only for the fact that I love donald pleasence and that I find Sean Connery going undercover as a Japanese man hilarious.

As for diamonds are forever that is definatly my least favorite Connery Bond film. It even starts out bad with it completely ignoring OHMSS and having blofeld not looking remotely like blofeld. Also it seems like they took money out of the special effects budget in order to pay Connery's enormous salary. Some of those effects are cheesy and just plain bad even for the time. The only part I really liked was the cremation scene.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 08, 2015, 02:07:54 PM
It's been a couple years since I've seen YOLT but I remember liking it.  If only for the fact that I love donald pleasence and that I find Sean Connery going undercover as a Japanese man hilarious.

Donald Pleasance is pretty menacing in the role of Blofeld, but I do still see plenty of things in his performance that would lead to the creation of Dr. Evil. Connery doesn't look like he even wants to be there too, which is a big problem. But the biggest problem for me is how they completely tossed away the plot of the book (the absolute darkest Bond story ever) in favor of something very, very childish.

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As for diamonds are forever that is definatly my least favorite Connery Bond film. It even starts out bad with it completely ignoring OHMSS and having blofeld not looking remotely like blofeld. Also it seems like they took money out of the special effects budget in order to pay Connery's enormous salary. Some of those effects are cheesy and just plain bad even for the time. The only part I really liked was the cremation scene.

Completely agreed. :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 09, 2015, 06:17:10 AM
Yup. I just finished watching OHMSS again and I feel pretty confident in saying that it's my favorite Bond film now, though I still need to revisit FRWL, CR and Skyfall to be absolutely sure.

I'd never realized until now just how wonderfully directed OHMSS is. It's the closest thing we'll ever get to a Hitchcock-helmed Bond film and the avant-garde editing style used for Lazenby's brutal action sequences really give it a visceral quality to it. The only moments that compare to it in the rest of the series are the train fight in FRWL and all of CR's fight scenes.

Lazenby's acting isn't necessarily perfect, but I like the raw quality he gave to the film. He definitely gave a far better and more honest performance in the final scene than Sean Connery would have given, I think.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 09, 2015, 05:39:54 PM
Last night I watched Octopussy. It was a lot goofier than FYEO although I should've guessed that from the title. Overall I enjoyed it. The humor was fine for the most part but there were some gags like the tarzan scene that made be cringe. The stunt work was great as it usually is.  I really enjoyed the plane scene at the end of the movie, although nothing will top the freefall fight from moonraker for me.

I just finished A view to a kill a few minutes ago. This movie does not waste anytime with the cheese with the opening scene involving bond snowboarding with the beach boys playing in the background. This one I thought was alright. I can see why a lot of people don't like it. I still like it more than the man with the golden gun.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 10, 2015, 04:49:47 AM
I love View To A Kill !!

Walken made a great villain & I love the whole climax with the airship.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 10, 2015, 05:44:41 AM
I love View To A Kill !!

Walken made a great villain & I love the whole climax with the airship.

I do like the idea of Walken as a villain, and other elements of AVTAK, but Moore was way too old to play Bond by that point. It's just painful to watch him in this movie.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 10, 2015, 07:58:33 AM
I didn't think Moore looked that bad to be honest.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 10, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I didn't think Moore looked that bad to be honest.

Dude looked terrible every single one of his Bond films in the 80's. He really should have retired after Moonraker.
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Post by: Zantera on April 10, 2015, 03:58:56 PM
I think Moore looked good for the most part, but I remember in his last movie that he really looked like he was 50.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 10, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2015, 04:44:13 PM
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 10, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
I remember watching, I think it was License to Kill, where Felix gets fed to the shark or something. It just went downhill from there.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2015, 04:49:46 PM
As dark as that film is, I prefer The Living Daylights.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 10, 2015, 05:06:10 PM
Brosnan was great but apart from Goldeneye- his films were mostly terrible, unfortunately.


But Goldeneye was pretty much spot on though.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 10, 2015, 05:21:32 PM
Goldeneye  :hefdaddy

My first Bond film and my favorite  :heart
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2015, 05:33:55 PM
Brosnan was great but apart from Goldeneye- his films were mostly terrible, unfortunately.


But Goldeneye was pretty much spot on though.

I like TND, and TWINE has a special place for me, being the first bond film I saw in theaters when I was 10. DAD is pretty bad though.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on April 10, 2015, 06:41:07 PM
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.

Dalton was the right Bond at the wrong time. I thought he played that more realistic Bond very well, better than Daniel Craig imo. But it was a transitional time for the franchise.

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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2015, 11:37:20 PM
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.

Dalton was the right Bond at the wrong time. I thought he played that more realistic Bond very well, better than Daniel Craig imo. But it was a transitional time for the franchise.

Daniel is becoming my favorite, probably tied with Connery at this point. He just owns the role more than anybody. He isn't playing Bond, he IS Bond. Spectre may bump him to the top for me.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 11, 2015, 06:46:52 AM
Daniel is becoming my favorite, probably tied with Connery at this point. He just owns the role more than anybody. He isn't playing Bond, he IS Bond. Spectre may bump him to the top for me.

Daniel has been my favorite Bond since I first saw Casino Royale on the big screen on its opening night nine years ago. :tup
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Post by: Scorpion on April 11, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 11, 2015, 02:21:25 PM
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.

Me too, which is probably why Craig is my favorite bond.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 11, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
I've seen all of them in theaters since TWINE
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 11, 2015, 07:03:04 PM
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.

It was the first I ever saw on the big screen. I'd seen little bits and snippets of a bunch of different Bond movies over the years, but I didn't start paying attention to the movies until right around the time they started shooting CR, once I started hearing all the controversy over casting Daniel Craig as Bond.

Within the time-span of a week, I had come across a copy of the first Young Bond book by Charles Higgins and watched Goldfinger for the first time. I was oddly off-put by how the movie seemed more light-hearted than the supposed kid's book that I was reading. For the hell of it, I decided to go to the library and see if they had a copy of the novel Casino Royale (I wasn't even sure that it was a book; wasn't even aware that it was the first Bond story). Sure enough, they had a copy and I was hooked. Within the following months, I owned all twenty Bond films on DVD (my folks bought a huge collection dirt cheap on eBay from China for me :lol) and many of Ian Fleming's original novels.

As odd as it was, I actually pictured Craig in my head the entire time I was reading Fleming's novels. There hadn't been any trailers or serious quality footage of him as Bond at that point, but they did have that very first promotional photo of him as Bond. To me, that photo is still the character "James Bond" that I see in my head whenever I go back and read Fleming's novels.

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Post by: ozzy554 on April 11, 2015, 07:34:02 PM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 11, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 12, 2015, 01:24:52 AM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.

To put it the most simple, Licence To Kill is a revenge film.
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Post by: Zantera on April 12, 2015, 01:49:37 AM
I always liked Dalton, and would say he is very underrated. I thought both his movies were pretty good.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 12, 2015, 04:28:03 AM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.

I remember liking TLD quite a bit up until the setting shifts to the middle east. At that point I always got bored. Don't know why, but that's the point I lose interest. Everything up to that was pretty sweet though.

LTK on the other hand, I totally agree. It doesn't feel Bond-ish at all. And that's probably why I really don't like it. It feels like a sunday afternoon movie they'd be showing on TV, not some badass spy flick. and that's actually how I saw it, it just happened to be some random sunday afternoon, it was on and I was like meh. Don't mind the dark tone, though. I actually prefer it super dark.

But then what followed, oh my god. Goldenye is sleek, styleish and feels so fresh and cool. At least as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 12, 2015, 04:41:05 AM
I remember liking TLD quite a bit up until the setting shifts to the middle east. At that point I always got bored. Don't know why, but that's the point I lose interest. Everything up to that was pretty sweet though.

LTK on the other hand, I totally agree. It doesn't feel Bond-ish at all. And that's probably why I really don't like it. It feels like a sunday afternoon movie they'd be showing on TV, not some badass spy flick. and that's actually how I saw it, it just happened to be some random sunday afternoon, it was on and I was like meh. Don't mind the dark tone, though. I actually prefer it super dark.

But then what followed, oh my god. Goldenye is sleek, styleish and feels so fresh and cool. At least as far as I'm concerned.

I completely agree; the third act is easily the weakest part of TLD. There's this absolutely wonderful set-up all through out the film, only to really give it a weak pay-off.

Goldeneye is one of the best Bond films ever. I'm generally not as big a fan of the "movie Bond" approach as I am of the films that go about capturing Ian Fleming's Bond (i.e. OHMSS, FRWL, CR, SF), but Goldeneye is just done so damn well that it's impossible not to love it. :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 12, 2015, 08:07:08 AM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.


Dat juggernaut crash.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 12, 2015, 01:13:16 PM
My unorganized trek through the Bond films continues... I watched From Russia With Love and Goldfinger for the first time in ages and it seems my long-time opinion still stands: From Russia With Love is a superior film to Goldfinger. The only other two potential Connery films that could sway up or down on my rankings are Dr. No and Thunderball. I'm currently watching the latter and will be sure to add my thoughts on that film once I'm finished. :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on April 12, 2015, 02:16:51 PM
I just finished Licence to kill and personally I loved it. If OHMSS had a proper follow up this is the kind of bond I would've wanted in it, Pissed off and wanting to get his revenge no matter what.I thought it was nice to see this side of the character. Also i loved the fact that Q had a larger role in this one. I think this will end up being one of my personal favorites in the series and definitely my favorite 80's bond movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 12, 2015, 03:42:50 PM
I just finished Licence to kill and personally I loved it. If OHMSS had a proper follow up this is the kind of bond I would've wanted in it, Pissed off and wanting to get his revenge no matter what.I thought it was nice to see this side of the character. Also i loved the fact that Q had a larger role in this one. I think this will end up being one of my personal favorites in the series and definitely my favorite 80's bond movie.

I need to go back and watch LTK again. It was a film that I always wanted to like. Now that I'm older and have a better understanding of what the film is, I might enjoy it a lot more now.

Anywho... Thunderball.

Surprisingly, Thunderball didn't hold up quite as well as I'd hoped it would. The film starts off really strong and has tons of great moments and features to it, but the film loses itself in the chaos of the third act and fails to really bring everything back together. I'm shocked to say this, but Goldfinger is actually a tighter, more focused film overall. Wow.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on April 13, 2015, 08:06:56 AM
I watched goldeneye last night I liked it. I didn't think it was as good as people are saying but I still enjoyed it. Maybe I would have liked it more if I didn't watch it so soon after LTK because they are so completely different in tone. Although Brosnan did a good job Part of me wishes that this was property of a lady with Dalton.

Well next as I understand is where the series starts to decline until we hit rock bottom at Die another day.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 13, 2015, 08:21:35 AM
Pretty much.

Tomorrow Never Dies is ok. The World Is Not Enough is about the same. But yeah. Die Another Day is

just terrible. It's more like a bad sci Fi.

Casino Royale blows it out of the water.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on April 13, 2015, 09:15:55 AM
GoldenEye is pretty awesome, I would probably put it in my top3 Bond movies without too much thinking. Tomorrow Never Dies was alright, but I think the major problem was that it followed GoldenEye. If Tomorrow Never Dies had come out first, people would probably have been slightly more optimistic, but as events turned out, we got a really awesome movie and then a good one, and in contrast it wasn't up to par. The World is not Enough is weird, because it has elements of "so bad its funny" (Denise Richards being a nuclear scientist, the line "I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey" etc) but it also takes itself too seriously. Die Another Day on the other hand is so terrible that it becomes funny.

I do like Brosnan as Bond, but it feels like he took over the role at an awkward time. The first two movies he did were pretty good, they were slightly "darker" and more serious in tone, and then the last two had moments when they were hamming it up like a Saturday morning cartoon show. Luckily they realized Bond doesn't work when it becomes too goofy or silly, and with Martin Campbell back (who did GoldenEye), they really got the franchise back on track with Casino Royale.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 13, 2015, 09:58:49 AM
Brosnan is probably my least favourite Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 13, 2015, 07:37:55 PM
I watched goldeneye last night I liked it. I didn't think it was as good as people are saying but I still enjoyed it. Maybe I would have liked it more if I didn't watch it so soon after LTK because they are so completely different in tone. Although Brosnan did a good job Part of me wishes that this was property of a lady with Dalton.

Well next as I understand is where the series starts to decline until we hit rock bottom at Die another day.

Goldeneye isn't my personal type of Bond film, but it does what it does very well. It's just so wonderfully executed. I'll see how LTK ranks in comparison to it in due time.

And yeah, the series takes a sharp nose dive from here until it quantum leaps to new heights with Casino Royale. Brilliant film. :hefdaddy

Pretty much.

Tomorrow Never Dies is ok. The World Is Not Enough is about the same. But yeah. Die Another Day is

just terrible. It's more like a bad sci Fi.

Casino Royale blows it out of the water.

I saw Casino Royale so many times on the big screen when it came out in 2006. I don't think I had ever really been in love with a film like that before. I rented it from the library today, so I'll be watching it again in due time. :tup

GoldenEye is pretty awesome, I would probably put it in my top3 Bond movies without too much thinking. Tomorrow Never Dies was alright, but I think the major problem was that it followed GoldenEye. If Tomorrow Never Dies had come out first, people would probably have been slightly more optimistic, but as events turned out, we got a really awesome movie and then a good one, and in contrast it wasn't up to par. The World is not Enough is weird, because it has elements of "so bad its funny" (Denise Richards being a nuclear scientist, the line "I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey" etc) but it also takes itself too seriously. Die Another Day on the other hand is so terrible that it becomes funny.

I do like Brosnan as Bond, but it feels like he took over the role at an awkward time. The first two movies he did were pretty good, they were slightly "darker" and more serious in tone, and then the last two had moments when they were hamming it up like a Saturday morning cartoon show. Luckily they realized Bond doesn't work when it becomes too goofy or silly, and with Martin Campbell back (who did GoldenEye), they really got the franchise back on track with Casino Royale.

Yeah, I definitely agree that Brosnan came in at the wrong time.

Brosnan is probably my least favourite Bond.

Roger Moore is the worst Bond by far, in my opinion. At least Brosnan has one masterpiece on his belt.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 14, 2015, 02:59:41 AM
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2015, 05:04:04 AM
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.

cough Moonraker cough

I repeat; he doesn't have any real sort of 'masterpiece' like Brosnan does. I'd say Goldeneye balances out DAD, while Moore just has one massive stinker and everything else he did is pretty bad or awkward too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on April 14, 2015, 05:08:31 AM
I like some of the early Moore films, but I would probably agree that he doesn't have that special one that sticks out. But I feel similar with Connery in a way, I appreciate both his and Moore's movies, but if I were to pick out a favorite top3 Bond films then I don't think either would make an appearance. Those movies are a product of their time, and while I can still watch them and like them, I think some of them has aged better than others.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 14, 2015, 05:24:50 AM
Moore's pre-Moonraker movies were just as good as anything Connery did.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on April 14, 2015, 05:39:15 AM
What is it about Moonraker that people seem to find intolerable? It's got just as much campy stuff as any other Connery/Moore era Bond movies.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2015, 06:09:57 AM
I like some of the early Moore films, but I would probably agree that he doesn't have that special one that sticks out. But I feel similar with Connery in a way, I appreciate both his and Moore's movies, but if I were to pick out a favorite top3 Bond films then I don't think either would make an appearance. Those movies are a product of their time, and while I can still watch them and like them, I think some of them has aged better than others.

I need to revisit his first three Bond films, as I did enjoy LALD a bit when I was younger and I've heard most rank TSWLM rather highly too. As for Connery, I generally agree, but he still has From Russia With Love on his resume. That film still holds up, I think.

Moore's pre-Moonraker movies were just as good as anything Connery did.

Again, Connery had From Russia With Love, but I might agree with you aside from that.

What is it about Moonraker that people seem to find intolerable? It's got just as much campy stuff as any other Connery/Moore era Bond movies.

Three words: Bond. In. Space.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 14, 2015, 06:12:54 AM
Moonraker is great. That ending where they're trying to shoot down the pods.

:omg:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2015, 06:32:25 AM
Moonraker is great. That ending where they're trying to shoot down the pods.

:omg:

I liked it better when it was called "Star Wars."
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on April 14, 2015, 06:50:55 AM
I liked moonraker, it was actually more serious than I was expecting........until they got into space that is. I also can't hate a movie that has that awesome free fall fight for an opening. I can see why people hate it but I still found it better than TMWTGG
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2015, 07:48:50 AM
I liked moonraker, it was actually more serious than I was expecting........until they got into space that is. I also can't hate a movie that has that awesome free fall fight for an opening. I can see why people hate it but I still found it better than TMWTGG

I still need to watch it again, so my opinion could change, but I just always found the idea of Moonraker's plot to be going too far in the sci-fi elements.

As I've said before, I got into Bond from the original novels by Fleming and while he had rather fantastical plots, it was never as extreme as a lot of the movies would go. There was a lot less of an emphasis on the gadgets that Bond received from Q-Branch in the books than there is in the films. The attache case in FRWL is a pretty good example of the type of equipment that Bond would use in the novels.

As a result of all of that, I just really dislike it when the movies go that extreme in terms of gadgets and over-the-top plot elements.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 14, 2015, 09:22:03 AM
Biggest problem for Moonraker for me was that they brought Jaws back and they turned him into an idiotic dumbass. It nearly ruined the image from TSWLM. He should've never been in it at all and they should've written a new henchmen in his place.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 15, 2015, 02:52:29 AM
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.

cough Moonraker cough

I repeat; he doesn't have any real sort of 'masterpiece' like Brosnan does. I'd say Goldeneye balances out DAD, while Moore just has one massive stinker and everything else he did is pretty bad or awkward too.

Moonraker is pretty bad, not going to lie, but DAD is on another level of awfulness entirely.

Ugh. So bad.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on April 18, 2015, 03:06:40 PM
For me, Moonraker certainly isn't one of the better films in the series, but it's not at the bottom of the list either. It gets a bit stupid in places, but is at least still fun.

I'd put Die Another Day at second worst for the series. Second, because while it's really bad and almost ruined the series, it's at least a spectacular trainwreck.

My pick for worst Bond film is easily Diamonds Are Forever. Some of the reasons have already been mentioned here; Most unforgivably, it completely drops the ball as a followup to OHMSS.
The whole thing just feels so cheap and tacky as well. Connery obviously doesn't want to be there, and feels like a completely different character than from his previous films. As far as tone, the whole thing feels more farcical than almost anything from the Moore films (and at times, almost more than the Austin Powers films), and in a way that feels like a big 'fuck you' to the audience.

For me, the best Connery film is From Russia With Love. It's just such a fantastic cold war spy thriller. Connery is at his best, the supporting cast are all fantastic, and the story just clicks.

For OHMSS, I definitely like it more in spite of Lazenby than because of, though he does an okay job for the most part. I will say, if he was going to pick one scene to just get spot on, he picked the right one (the ending). A great all around cast, very unique story and pacing for the series, and phenomenally directed and put together.
I will say, it's difficult to see either Connery or Moore in that film. Interestingly, Dalton was actually considered, but he turned it down because he thought he was too young (around 21/22 at the time). Now that could have been something.

Moore is probably my least favorite take on the character, though I've started to appreciate his films for what they are in the last few years. His films are probably all around the middle of the pack for me; nothing amazing, but nothing terrible. I hear a lot of people say that The Spy Who Loved Me is one of the best in the series, but it never really clicked with me.
While not his best, I always found A View To A Kill to be his most interesting in some ways. Obviously, Christopher Walken is a fantastic villain. There's just an overarching weirdness to the film that's pretty intriguing. Obviously one of the main issues with the film is Moore's age by that point. Honestly, I think they really could have had something if they'd addressed it a bit. Have Bond deal a bit with getting older. They basically reset the series to a degree with Dalton anyway, so it could have worked.

I've always heard that Moore kept trying to leave after his third film or so. That the producers kept convincing him to come back, and he would more or less say "Okay, one last film, but then you have to find someone else". The main reason being, he felt that he was getting too old for the role.

Dalton is fantastic as Bond, and I think it's often overlooked just how important he was to the series. He basically brought the films back to actually being spy thrillers, and reeled things in a bit after Moore's run. The Living Daylights is still one of my favorite Bond films. License To Kill is good too, and Dalton brings it, but I find that film suffers from feeling a bit cheap at times.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2015, 03:22:32 PM
Love

Dr. No
From Russia with love
Goldfinger
Thunderball
Diamonds are forever
Goldeneye
Casino royale
Quantum of solace


Like

You only live twice
Oh her majesty's secret service
All roger Moore films
The living daylights
License to kill 
Tomorrow never dies


Don't like

Skyfall
Never say never again
The world is not enough
Die another day
 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 18, 2015, 03:55:33 PM
Skyfall below DAD?

Now I've seen everything.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
Non of that is ranked. I just threw them together. DAD is my least favorite bond film by far. I find it painful to even watch.

I respect sam Mendes and I respect a lot of whats going on in Skyfall, but overall I just don't like it. Craig's other bond films I love though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 18, 2015, 06:23:21 PM
Ah ok I thought that was a ranking.

Still don't agree, but different strokes I guess. 's all good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 19, 2015, 05:16:28 AM
I've always been a casual Bond fan. 

The Moore films are my least favorite.

Moonraker is my least favorite of those.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 20, 2015, 06:35:04 PM
I love the theme song for License to Kill. Gladys knight tearing it up

My top 5 themes would be:

1. Goldfinger
2. Goldeneye
3. License to kill
4. A view to a kill (dance into the fire)
5. Skyfall

Also like:
on her majesties secret service
diamond are forever
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 21, 2015, 09:47:04 AM
My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
My top 5 (lol so DTF)

1. You Know My Name
2. The Man With The Golden Gun
3. Live and Let Die
4. Nobody Does it Better
5. Goldfinger

My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die

Great choices. :tup Personally I think the Skyfall theme is overrated, but it's still quite good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 21, 2015, 09:53:54 AM
My top 5 (lol so DTF)

1. You Know My Name
2. The Man With The Golden Gun
3. Live and Let Die
4. Nobody Does it Better
5. Goldfinger

My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die

Great choices. :tup Personally I think the Skyfall theme is overrated, but it's still quite good.

You Know My Name is ranked one of the worst by critics which is beyond me - such a catchy, great song, and they way they incorporate it into the score is excellent. Awesome work from Cornell!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2015, 09:59:11 AM
You Know My Name is ranked one of the worst by critics which is beyond me - such a catchy, great song, and they way they incorporate it into the score is excellent. Awesome work from Cornell!

I can understand it not being one of the favourites due to the style not being to everyone's tastes, but I don't know how anyone can rank it as one of the worst. It's very well written, and it's a great blend of rock and the signature Bond sound and chord progression. I also like the lyrics and the way it fits into the intro sequence.
The single version is a bit too straight up rock, but the orchestral mix in the movie is amazing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 21, 2015, 10:41:29 AM
Die another day & quantum of solace are both godawful bond themes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
Die another day & quantum of solace are both godawful bond themes.

Yup. Two of the worst, if not the worst.

Although its not technically a rejected Bond theme for QoS, Shirley Bassey's No Good About Goodbye is a much better theme, and would be one of my favourites. It was written by David Arnold, contains musical tie-ins to the soundtrack, and the lyrics are Bond-ish and have the word solace in them. Definitely intended as a theoretical theme.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 21, 2015, 12:10:14 PM
Which one is the one with Jack White and Alicia Keys? I love that one, just the sound and progressions for a Bond theme song.

EDIT: Haha that appears to be the Quantum of Solace theme song. Damn you DTF, that's my favorite. Most prog sounding too  :flame:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 21, 2015, 03:48:36 PM
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 21, 2015, 06:36:23 PM
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.

One of the worst voices on this planet. Rather take the nails on the chalkboard.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: bl5150 on April 21, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.

 :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 22, 2015, 01:35:00 AM
Oh wow. Not to derail the thread, but I think he's a creative man, and a good producer. He does have a very distinctive sound, yes ;)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 22, 2015, 04:33:33 AM
He's just one of those people who isn't very good at guitar so they just shove it through fuzz boxes and

make a fuck ton of noise and people confuse it with genius.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 22, 2015, 04:47:18 AM
He's just one of those people who isn't very good at guitar so they just shove it through fuzz boxes and

make a fuck ton of noise and people confuse it with genius.

I never said he's a guitar genius. He isn't. At all. I don't even see him as a guitar player. But I think he's a creative man, and I like his producing style and sound.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2015, 08:00:50 AM
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on May 02, 2015, 09:03:55 AM
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.

Yup. One of the best Bond films ever, if not the best. I need to go back and finish my Bond marathon once I finish up finals to be sure on my rankings. OHMSS is still the one that stands out the most to me these days. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2015, 09:04:49 AM
I love Skyfall despite the glaring contrivances. Solid movie and much better than Quantum Of Solace.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 02, 2015, 10:28:57 AM
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.

Yup. One of the best Bond films ever, if not the best. I need to go back and finish my Bond marathon once I finish up finals to be sure on my rankings. OHMSS is still the one that stands out the most to me these days. :hefdaddy

I've never said this about a new/upcoming Bond film, but I have the strongest feeling that SPECTRE will be the greatest Bond film of them all. I definitely think it'll trump Skyfall, even Casino Royale as Craig's finest. As of right now, the stars are aligning for this one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on May 02, 2015, 10:58:55 AM
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 02, 2015, 11:38:25 AM
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

You took the words right out of my mouth
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2015, 11:55:25 AM
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

You took the words right out of my mouth
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on May 02, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

You took the words right out of my mouth

It must have been while you were kissing me~ :tup

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/24/article-0-00606CA200000258-979_468x286.jpg)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 04, 2015, 02:25:49 AM
Your favourite movie from each actor portraying Bond.

For me:

Sean Connery
Goldfinger

George Lazenby
On Her Majesty's Secret Service Yea well....

Roger Moore
Live and Let Die

Timothy Dalton
The Living Daylights

Pierce Brosnan
GoldenEye

Daniel Craig
Skyfall
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 04, 2015, 02:29:58 AM
Good idea.

Sean Connery
Goldfinger

Roger Moore
The Man With The Golden Gun

Timothy Dalton
License to Kill

Pierce Brosnan
GoldenEye

Daniel Craig
Skyfall

Now I really feel like rewatching these.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 04, 2015, 04:33:44 AM
Sean Connery
From Russia with love

Roger Moore
Moonraker (guilty pleasure)

Timothy Dalton
License to Kill

Pierce Brosnan
GoldenEye

Daniel Craig
Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 04, 2015, 04:35:22 AM
Would anyone not choose Goldeneye for Brosnan?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 04, 2015, 05:35:36 AM
For me the hardest era was Roger Moore because his movies was those I watched the most as a kid, I guess I liked the humor Moore brought in. I'm not saying he was the best Bond, he just had something I liked.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 04, 2015, 05:45:54 AM
The Roger Moore era was also the toughest for me to choose from. The rest were instantly obvious choices for me, but Moore didn't have one clear standout over all the rest (take that as good or bad). I think all of his earlier movies were pretty good.

I watched all of the Bond films around the same time when I got into it, but I ended up watching the Moore ones the most too. Maybe it was also because of the fun and humour, which is something I enjoy. Not that I don't enjoy the more serious ones.
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Post by: Scorpion on May 04, 2015, 06:02:49 AM
Connery: From Russia With Love (awesome)
Lazenby: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (lol)
Moore: For Your Eyes Only (underrated, never really see this mentioned when talking Moore's Bond)
Dalton: The Living Daylights (fuck yeah)
Brosnan: Goldeneye (still overrated though)
Craig: Skyfall (awesome; Casino Royale is amazing too though)
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 04, 2015, 04:44:54 PM
Connery: Goldfinger  - my first Connery bond. FRWL a close second.
Moore: Tough. Like BVD said, the variance in Moore's films is low. They seem more formulaic than they did for the other actors. I think they had a more consistent team working on them(?).
Dalton: Push.
Brosnan: Goldeneye. A top 5 Bond film for me. Very rewatchable. I rank TWINE higher that others seem to. Robbie Coltrain was so good in this and Goldeneye (along with Joe Don Baker).
Craig: Skyfall. Didn't care much for the others, through no fault of Craig's performance.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 04, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Connery: Goldfinger (with Thunderball being a close second)

Lazenby: On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Moore: The Spy Who Loved Me

Dalton: The Living Daylights

Brosnan: GoldenEye (Although The World Is Not Enough holds a special place for me)

Craig: Casino Royale/Skyfall (Tied)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 04, 2015, 10:04:49 PM
Connery: Goldfinger
Moore: For Your Eyes Only
Dalton: I've only seen License to Kill, but it felt more like an 80's action movie than a Bond film at times
Brosnan: Goldeneye
Craig: Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on May 04, 2015, 11:49:50 PM
To move away from rankings slightly, who do you guys think was the best Bond villain, and why?
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Post by: Mister Gold on May 05, 2015, 05:52:05 AM
To move away from rankings slightly, who do you guys think was the best Bond villain, and why?

Hmm... I think I'll give my vote to Red Grant. There's a few other great Bond villains that come to mind like 006, Le Chiffre or Silva, but Grant was the first truly great Bond villain. Beyond that, he also has the unique task of having to keep Bond alive all through out the film until the right opportunity arrives for him to personally assassinate Bond.

Besides, Grant had that incredible fight with Bond on the train and I think that's arguably Connery's finest moment as Bond. :tup
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 05, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
I loved Trevelyn, because, first, super man-crush on Sean Bean, and second, I loved the idea of him trying to get retribution for a perceived(?) wrong done to him and his family by England. When it comes to villains, I am all about their motivation. I am oversimplifying, but I like there to be something more to them than TAKE OVER THE WORLD. Of course even the simplest Bond villains aren't that simple, but you get the point.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 06, 2015, 11:55:46 AM
I'll do the Bond themes, since I still haven't seen all the Bond films

1. Goldeneye
2. Skyfall
3. For Your Eyes Only
4. Nobody Does It Better
5. Live and Let Die
Hon. Mentions: You Know My Name and View To A Kill

The problem with License To Kill is that it's too long for a Bond theme, and I can't help but laugh at the background vocals (to KILL)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2015, 10:02:59 AM
James Bond Distribution Rights Coming Up For Grabs (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/james-bond-distribution-rights-up-for-grabs-1201509566/)

Would a different studio landing the rights automatically result in the casting of a new Bond?
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Post by: Magikernandy on June 02, 2015, 10:37:14 AM
The best Bond movies are For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, The Spy Who Loved Me, Live and Let Die and Goldfinger.

All of them belong to the best action movies made at the time. Most of the action movies from the era lasted apr. 90 minutes but are without any doubt more boring and past prime today.

For Your Eyes Only in particular is still fun to watch.



Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on June 02, 2015, 11:05:03 AM
You lost me at Live and Let Die. That movie is more comedy than action. It was the Bond series only venture into blaxploitation.   That being said, it's good for a laugh, and at least it's better than Moonraker.  :lol
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 02, 2015, 11:21:53 AM
James Bond Distribution Rights Coming Up For Grabs (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/james-bond-distribution-rights-up-for-grabs-1201509566/)

Would a different studio landing the rights automatically result in the casting of a new Bond?

Difficult to say. Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson said that they'll have Craig on as long as he wants, but idk if the studio has the power to overthrow that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 02, 2015, 02:12:49 PM
If they do ditch Craig and his story arc is resolved in the next movie - that would be stupid.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 03, 2015, 12:57:57 AM
I think given the huge success of Skyfall (and assuming Spectre will also do similarly great), I can't imagine a studio wanting to boot Craig out if he still wants to play the part. It would be a better PR move to not rock the boat.
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Post by: Magikernandy on June 03, 2015, 01:30:08 AM
You lost me at Live and Let Die. That movie is more comedy than action. It was the Bond series only venture into blaxploitation.   

only venture into blaxploitation!?    :lol

Neither the only or the first,  Diamonds are forever a year before was a lot  worse and turned out to be funny in a bad way. Live and Let Die is entertaining in a good way.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 10, 2015, 04:37:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYDk39rMHo

Some epic shit goin on here! Counting down the days til this thing is released!!!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: comment on June 10, 2015, 06:01:23 PM
Looking forward to Spectre.

If they recast Bond...  What choices are out there that could equal Craig?  I can't think of anyone except maybe Tom Hardy and Clive Owen.  I think they would make good Bonds.  Maybe Christian Bale too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 11, 2015, 10:21:07 AM
Weren't there talk about Idris Elba being the next Bond?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 10:41:01 AM
Weren't there talk about Idris Elba being the next Bond?
More fanboy dream than anything.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 11, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
I have loved the idea of Elba as Bond ever since I first heard it. It'd be really cool if whoever takes the series on next listens to the fans and actually casts the guy.
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Post by: The Trooper on June 11, 2015, 10:53:00 AM
Exactly this.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 11:20:38 AM
He is an excellent actor, and I'm sure that he would do a great job, but I don't get why should be the dream choice.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 11, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
It's as good as any dream choice. If I hear someone I would like better, I'll switch. But at the moment, Elba gets my vote.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 11, 2015, 12:27:31 PM
Elba won't get cast, he'll be too old by the time Craig is done.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 11, 2015, 03:45:40 PM
I think Fassbender could be good. Christian Bale isn't suave enough. Tom Hardy would be amazing I think.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 04:05:29 PM
^I agree with all of that^
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 11, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
 :o WHAT?!


Tom Hardy is pretty *in* right now. He seems the obvious choice. Just as long as they don't make Bond a female to please the feminazis it's all good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on June 11, 2015, 07:29:58 PM
Richard Simmons. Just sayin  ;)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on June 11, 2015, 07:34:59 PM
But all serious, Hardy would rock it.Then again, Wesley Snipes. Always bet on black. Casino Royal hehe
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ariich on June 12, 2015, 01:57:35 AM
:o WHAT?!


Tom Hardy is pretty *in* right now. He seems the obvious choice. Just as long as they don't make Bond a female to please the feminazis it's all good.
Jane Bond!!

But yeah, Tom Hardy would be so brilliant.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Trailer 2 (https://youtu.be/l9hMaqdNzz8)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nefarius on July 22, 2015, 05:00:31 AM
Moriarty! :biggrin:

Greetings...
Nef
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Post by: Accelerando on July 22, 2015, 05:05:47 AM
The OHMSS theme is in there. And Waltz is wearing a Nehru jacket. I am amped for this.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 22, 2015, 05:22:17 AM
Looks good
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Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
I can see this being better than Quantum Of Solace and probably surpassing Skyfall but not Casino Royale. That one was just great.

However - if Craig's next ( and rumoured final ) movie is also great - he won't have had a bad run.

He's already got a better Bond resume under his belt than Pierce Brosnan. They really did give him terrible movies apart from Goldeneye.
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Post by: Scorpion on July 22, 2015, 01:28:14 PM
That looks awesome. Pumped for this movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on July 23, 2015, 10:07:13 AM
The OHMSS theme is in there. And Waltz is wearing a Nehru jacket. I am amped for this.

Unsurprisingly, it seems like Spectre is going to be a spiritual reimagining of OHMSS. I can dig it. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on July 23, 2015, 01:05:54 PM
I'm a massive Bond fan but i've only seen OHMSS the once. Keep meaning to rewatch on it's own terms.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on July 23, 2015, 02:14:20 PM
I'm a massive Bond fan but i've only seen OHMSS the once. Keep meaning to rewatch on it's own terms.

Aside from Lazenby himself, OHMSS makes a strong case for being the best Bond film ever. Incredible directing and screenwriting from a film perspective and it's an eerily accurate adaptation of what's generally agreed to be Fleming's greatest Bond novel (though I do slightly prefer the novel You Only Live Twice as a singular book).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 27, 2015, 03:04:02 AM
I've seen OHMSS several times now and the story is just executed fantastic. The ending always hits hard. Lazenby got a lot of unjust flak for it, but I think he does a better job than Moore. 
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 28, 2015, 11:48:02 AM
I've seen OHMSS several times now and the story is just executed fantastic. The ending always hits hard. Lazenby got a lot of unjust flak for it, but I think he does a better job than Moore.

I agree about Lazenby. He's certainly not bad; he's just rough around the edges, since that was his first time ever acting. That said, he nailed the final scene of the film. The only other two Bond actors who I think could have matched him in that scene are Dalton and Craig.

I think I said this awhile back, but I feel like OHMSS is the closest we ever got to a Hitchcock-directed Bond film. It's very lavishly shot and cinematically tense in the same way that Hitchcock approached his classic films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 03, 2015, 03:04:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dBqrMrR.jpg)

Pumped!
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 03, 2015, 08:11:59 PM
That white dinner jacket!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 04, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
Can't not think of Live & Let Die.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 04, 2015, 10:16:15 PM
Only two people should ever wear a white dinner jacket: Bond and Rick Blaine.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 08, 2015, 11:21:47 AM
Sam Smith co-wrote and is performing the Spectre theme called "Writing's On The Wall"

Available for purchase/stream on 9/25
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 08, 2015, 11:26:21 AM
Hm. Never heard of him, so I don't know what his style is, but I'm not excited based on that.

I guess I'll just have to wait and hear it!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 08, 2015, 11:34:11 AM
He has a very soft voice, so it'll probably be another ballad.

He's not my cup of tea, but maybe he'll surprise us
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 08, 2015, 11:40:07 AM
Apparently it's a "classic love song", which he wrote in 20 minutes. It's hard to get excited based on that.

But yeah, maybe he'll surprise us.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 08, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
Can't be as bad as Die Another Day or the Jack White one...





...Was in TESCO last night and saw a tabloid headline " DAVID BECKHAM IS NEW BOND ". Obviously this would be all over the news if true and not in some shitty tabloid.

So I read the text underneath the headline and it said

" David Beckham may be the next Bond after fans suggested he should be. "


:lol :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: bl5150 on September 08, 2015, 04:47:25 PM
If Beckham is the next Bond then hopefully they can fit him with an Adam's Apple or something.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 08, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
I have never heard of Sam Smith. In a related story, I don't give a rip about the theme song or who sings it. I have never enjoyed seeing a Bond movie upon my initial viewing as I did with Skyfall (ok, maybe Goldeneye) and I couldn't tell you who sang the song, or how it went.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 08, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
Can't be as bad as Die Another Day or the Jack White one...

I just farted, and it sounded better than those.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ariich on September 08, 2015, 11:54:57 PM
I like both those songs. *shrug*
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on September 09, 2015, 12:47:38 AM
Adele's Skyfall combined with the imagery of that intro was epic. Still gives me chills.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nefarius on September 10, 2015, 05:05:06 AM
The Skyfall intro is very nice but the song always feels so incredibly boring to me, I'd rather enjoy the visuals with muted sound.

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 10, 2015, 07:33:40 AM
Skyfall is the best bond theme in a long while. I quite liked Casino Royale's one by Chris Cornell too but Skyfall is better imo.

I actually quite liked View To A Kill as well * runs* .
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 10, 2015, 07:37:51 AM
Skyfall is a decent theme, but overrated given that it's pretty standard stuff. The vocals bug me a bit too. The chick's voice is not suited to harmonies.
You Know My Name is by far the best of the modern era imo, with the only other competition being Goldeneye.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 10, 2015, 08:55:55 AM
I thought that Skyfall was unquestionably the best Bond theme in at least 20 years, maybe longer.

I hope Sam Smith does a good job.  But I'm already over his falsetto ass.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 10, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
Skyfall is a decent theme, but overrated given that it's pretty standard stuff. The vocals bug me a bit too. The chick's voice is not suited to harmonies.
You Know My Name is by far the best of the modern era imo, with the only other competition being Goldeneye.

Disagree about Skyfall, I love that tune, especially with the accompanying visuals.

But I agree that You Know My Name is the best.....I tend to gravitate towards the hard rocking tunes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 11, 2015, 01:26:37 PM
I thought that Skyfall was unquestionably the best Bond theme in at least 20 years, maybe longer.
I agree.  Stylistically it's something of a throwback to the old Shirley Bassey Bond themes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on September 11, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
"You Know My Name" and "Skyfall" were both outstanding, although I prefer the latter because I think female vocals go with/are more traditional for Bond movies than either rock songs or songs from male vocalists.  That doesn't mean that there aren't good examples of either, such as
"Thunderball," "Live and Let Die," or "The Living Daylights."  There are also female-sang title songs that are the drizzling shits, like "The Man with the Golden Gun," "All Time High" (Octopussy), "Die Another Day," etc.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on September 11, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
Regarding the books I just finished Thunderball and started on On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I need to finish the SPECTRE trilogy before the movie hits.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 11, 2015, 09:51:37 PM
"You Know My Name" and "Skyfall" were both outstanding, although I prefer the latter because I think female vocals go with/are more traditional for Bond movies than either rock songs or songs from male vocalists.  That doesn't mean that there aren't good examples of either, such as
"Thunderball," "Live and Let Die," or "The Living Daylights."  There are also female-sang title songs that are the drizzling shits, like "The Man with the Golden Gun," "All Time High" (Octopussy), "Die Another Day," etc.   

The Man With The Golden Gun was an awesome theme, unlike the other two shitstains you mentioned with it.

I don't consider Thunderball and The Living Daylights as very good themes (although Thunderball is redeemed by Tom Jones' vocals), but Live and Let Die is as much a classic great Bond theme as anything else.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2015, 10:30:17 AM
Live And Let Die.  :metal  What a fucking great song that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdsIj4pAzQ

^ amazing version. i need to get this DVD again. It's great.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 12, 2015, 01:26:58 PM
LOL the lady at 0:36.

I have always been annoyed by "...in which we live in..."
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2015, 01:41:02 PM
LOL the lady at 0:36.

I have always been annoyed by "...in which we live in..."

It's fine in a song as it's almost literally poetic licence.

I don't get at all bothered by it or " To Boldly Go ".


Plus it scans nicely and has the right number of syllables for the line.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 14, 2015, 01:44:02 PM
I have always been annoyed by "...in which we live in..."
Same here.  It definitely hurts the song for me.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on September 15, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
I have always been annoyed by "...in which we live in..."
Same here.  It definitely hurts the song for me.
And easily fixed:  "in which we're livin'"
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 15, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
lol those are apparently the correct lyrics.

It still sounds weird, and I don't care for it that much.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 17, 2015, 01:46:12 AM
Live And Let Die.  :metal  What a fucking great song that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdsIj4pAzQ

^ amazing version. i need to get this DVD again. It's great.

Tis a great song.  That video version, though, seems to be a bit lacking in the pyrotechnics department.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 17, 2015, 02:06:00 AM
Live And Let Die.  :metal  What a fucking great song that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdsIj4pAzQ

^ amazing version. i need to get this DVD again. It's great.

Tis a great song.  That video version, though, seems to be a bit lacking in the pyrotechnics department.

It also needed more quick camera zooms. The old lady after the first pyro had clearly never been to a concert in her entire life. :lol
Great performance, and have been all the performances I recall seeing.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 25, 2015, 01:37:15 AM
https://www.digitalspy.com.au/music/news/a670308/listen-to-sam-smiths-stirring-bond-theme-writings-on-the-wall.html#~pphpB5m0JnHqFj

New Bond theme. Shit sandwich.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 25, 2015, 04:52:39 AM
Like the orchestra arrangement but not a big fan of his voice and the song in general.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 03, 2015, 07:54:35 AM
SPECTRE - Final Trailer (Official) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4UDNzXD3qA&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2015, 08:38:55 AM
Like the orchestra arrangement but not a big fan of his voice and the song in general.

Not the worst thing i've heard.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on October 03, 2015, 08:57:56 AM
I am very excited. I like the theme as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2015, 02:31:50 PM
Daniel Craig Says He’d Rather Kill Himself Than Do Another James Bond Movie (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-25-1201612654/)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2015, 03:23:28 PM
He's also said he's under contract to do one more so it probably won't be for a while if he does do it.

I'm pretty sure he's been trying to get out of it since QOS.
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Post by: TioJorge on October 07, 2015, 03:45:56 PM
He seems pretty damn bitter about it all but I can understand that. It's like this weird hate/respect thing (certainly not love); especially given his comments about the next actor to take up the mantel. He's done a fantastic job and I'm sure I'll enjoy Spectre, but after that I'll be about ready for something new. I mean...personally, I'm kind of tiring of the entirety of the Bond format, but on the other side of that token...if they change it up too much I could see them going back and absolutely raping the series like most of the Brosnan era was (for me at least). I also seem to recall something about them wanting to go younger with the next Bond so god fucking help me if they get this teeny bopper brat I'll just outright pretend the series died with Craig and might possibly blow something up. Just the words 'going younger' has never...ever...bode well with me when it comes to Hollywood.

But uh yeah...that bro mad.  :lol From what I hear he's a hard as hell worker on and off set and is one to do his own stunts so with a series like Bond...I can see why he'd be over and done with it by now. I respect and enjoy his candidness though, even if it comes with a side of abrasiveness.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2015, 04:08:08 PM
With the current trend for re-doing everything - I can see them getting a younger actor and just redoing Dr. No onwards until they stop making any profit.
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Post by: TioJorge on October 07, 2015, 05:23:39 PM
Kind of what I had in mind as well, which means I'll be done after the Craig movies. I just couldn't take it. Hollywood has already fucked up one of my childhood heroes, Spiderman, I don't need another completely raped. Here's hoping they don't though... I read that a while back so maaaybe they'll just get another middle-aged badass like Craig and keep on keepin' on. That'd be ideal to me.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2015, 05:25:19 PM
Idris Elba or GTFO
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TioJorge on October 07, 2015, 06:21:01 PM
I could totally go for that. I had forgotten that he was a name mentioned as a possible successor. Absolutely!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 07, 2015, 06:47:35 PM
Daniel Craig Says He’d Rather Kill Himself Than Do Another James Bond Movie (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-25-1201612654/)

This one seems more positive:
https://screenrant.com/spectre-daniel-craig-james-bond-movies/
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
Idris Elba or GTFO

I hope Daniel Craig holds on long enough for this idea to completely disappear first. I just don't get it at all.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TioJorge on October 07, 2015, 10:58:16 PM
Have you seen the TV series Luther? Great crime drama and he plays the troubled detective/agent/cop-type very well. I'd like him as Bond if only for the fact that he's a great actor and plays that type really well, in my opinion. Then again if you don't like the guy/his acting/have never seen Luther, I can see why you'd be puzzled. But in my eyes all it takes is at least an attempt to watch the series to know that he'd be a great Bond, even if you don't like the show itself, the character is great.
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Post by: Bolsters on October 07, 2015, 11:02:36 PM
I've seen Elba in a few things and don't really understand what all the fuss is about. Nothing wrong with him, but I'm not buying into the hype. I haven't seen Luther though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TioJorge on October 08, 2015, 12:01:37 AM
I'm not sure there's anything to buy into...or hype...as far as I've seen. I just have always liked his acting and from watching Luther, know he can play the troubled detective very well, which fits the Bond persona to a T, save for being upgraded from detective to ridiculously super secret agent man. I saw him on a list of actors that'd be good and/or interesting to play the next Bond and he was on there, that's all. If there's any 'hype' surrounding him, I haven't heard it. (The word hype is so overused recently...like ridiculously so, and it seemingly came out of nowhere...but...I digress)

I mean, I pretty much am open to anyone who isn't a fucking teeny bopper, angsty little shit. Those types are just rampant in Hollywood and it seems the 'in' thing to do these days is make a character young and dumb. That said, I really hope the minds behind Bond wouldn't let that happen but I don't put anything past the movie biz.
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Post by: Bolsters on October 08, 2015, 06:02:46 AM
Not all of that was necessarily directed at you specifically. It's just that I've seen a lot of high praise for him on the interwebz over the last few years about him being such a great and underrated actor, and I don't really get it. But I don't dislike him and I don't think he would make a bad Bond.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 08, 2015, 07:38:57 AM
I love Idris Elba.  I thought he was fantastic in Luther, and The Wire, and any number of other projects I've seen him in.  Definitely one of my favorite actors.

But I don't see him as Bond, and the fervor of some people to make him Bond seems odd to me.

I am all for progressive morals and cultures and inclusiveness, but I don't understand how changing a longtime character from one race to another counts toward that.  I just don't get it.

Bond is a white British heterosexual misogynist.  That's who he is.  The mythology of the character changes so much if any of those things are changed that you are left with essentially a new character that is no longer Bond.  I, for one, would much rather see Elba cast as a completely different character altogether. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on October 09, 2015, 01:11:43 PM
Daniel Craig Says He’d Rather Kill Himself Than Do Another James Bond Movie (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-25-1201612654/)
Reading that, it was bitter to the point that I thought it must be leaving out some context.

The full interview definitely gives a bit of a different vibe to some of those quotes.
https://www.timeout.com/london/film/daniel-craig-interview-my-advice-to-the-next-james-bond-dont-be-shit

Some of the harsher quotes come across more as just being exhausted after a long, demanding film shoot. Some of it is still a little discouraging, but there are definitely other quotes in the interview that balance it out.
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Post by: TL on October 09, 2015, 01:22:39 PM
I love Idris Elba.  I thought he was fantastic in Luther, and The Wire, and any number of other projects I've seen him in.  Definitely one of my favorite actors.

But I don't see him as Bond, and the fervor of some people to make him Bond seems odd to me.

I am all for progressive morals and cultures and inclusiveness, but I don't understand how changing a longtime character from one race to another counts toward that.  I just don't get it.

Bond is a white British heterosexual misogynist.  That's who he is.  The mythology of the character changes so much if any of those things are changed that you are left with essentially a new character that is no longer Bond.  I, for one, would much rather see Elba cast as a completely different character altogether.

While I can understand that argument;
I'm of the mind that Bond being white is just how the character happened to be, rather than it being important at all to the character. I mean, we've already had two Bonds who weren't British (Lazenby being Australian and Brosnan being Irish).
I think Idris Elba would be a fantastic Bond. I don't think his race should be held as a pro or con in the matter. If they have a black Bond, it shouldn't be for the sake of progressiveness, but at the same time, if there's an actor who would be an awesome James Bond and is also black, I don't think it should preclude them from getting the role.
Just my two cents.

That said, while I think he'd be great, I think the chances of him being the next Bond are pretty low, and will be even lower if Craig stays on for another.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 09, 2015, 01:28:18 PM

Some of the harsher quotes come across more as just being exhausted after a long, demanding film shoot. Some of it is still a little discouraging, but there are definitely other quotes in the interview that balance it out.

Plus he's already said elsewhere that he's under contract for one more...
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 09, 2015, 02:23:42 PM
Some of the harsher quotes come across more as just being exhausted after a long, demanding film shoot.
I'm sure that's what most of it is, along with everything involved with being associated with the character.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 09, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Give him three years off to do what he wants and then come back for one last hurrah with Sam Mendes then retire.

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Post by: ozzy554 on October 27, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
Just watched Die Another Day for the first time. Honestly I liked the first half of the movie. Then he gets to the ice palace and the movie just spirals into insanity.  I think The Man with the Golden Gun is still my least favorite bond movie but this one comes close.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 27, 2015, 06:35:23 PM
It's pretty bad.

Why is Michael Madsen in it? He seems so out of place.
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Post by: TL on October 28, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
For me, Die Another Day is certainly bad, and gets really stupid as it goes, but at least I can enjoy it as a big dumb spectacle of a thing.

My least favorite Bond film is easily Diamonds Are Forever. There's so much completely squandered and unused potential that was set up in OHMSS. Even more than that though, I just find it really unpleasant to watch.
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Post by: mrrct on October 28, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
"Moonraker" and "Octopussy" are the worst Bond films in my opinion, with neither having any redeeming qualities.  "Die Another Day" is very bad, as are most of the Moore films, but those two take the cake.

If Idris Elba was cast as a Norse god in "Thor," there's no reason that he can't play James Bond.  It's just that he's not that much younger than Craig and, by the time the latter does the remaining film that he's contractually obligated for, Broccoli and Wilson will probably want someone younger.

Craig can bitch all he wants about the job right now, as Connery did before him.  Eventually, when he's replaced, and doing nothing remotely close in popularity, ten or so years down the road he'll jump at the chance to play the character again, as Connery did before him ("Never Say Never Again"), even to the point of remaking "Thunderball."  Harrison Ford initially didn't want to come back as Han Solo for "Return of the Jedi," but thirty years later he jumped at the chance to play the character again.  These primadonnas don't know what they've got until it's gone.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 28, 2015, 04:51:35 PM
To be fair to Daniel Craig - Spectre was probably a tough shoot and he did say " right now i'd rather slash my wrists ".

He's probably just exhausted.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 28, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Harrison Ford initially didn't want to come back as Han Solo for "Return of the Jedi," but thirty years later he jumped at the chance to play the character again. 

That was because he didn't think there was anything interesting left in the character's arc. And Ford (or Connery, for that matter) isn't exactly hurting for money, or fame. I am sure he was drawn to this movie for the story, not the cash. I am sure Connery still gets calls too, but is happily retired.

Die Another Day had a cool premise. But was bogged down in too much crap to make it worthwhile. I'd still take it over some of Moore's weaker films though, and Diamonds, for the entertainment value.
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Post by: mrrct on October 28, 2015, 10:21:34 PM
Wasn't suggesting that Craig would be broke or unable to find work, just that he'd settle down and do middling movies, like the things he does between Bond films, and miss being a household name.

Connery actually quit the franchise twice, each time probably because Eon films wouldn't meet his asking price.  He actually received the highest acting salary up to that time for "Diamonds Are Forever," $2 million if I recall correctly.  He had purchased the rights to the screenplay for "Never Say Never Again" and had held it for years, so he probably wanted to play the character again deep down, regardless of whatever he publicly said.  Craig probably just wants a break from the character to try different things and not have as demanding a shoot for a few years.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 28, 2015, 10:39:53 PM
I imagine for most celebs, it is a double-edge sword. You get all the fame and paparazzi and other crap that goes with being an A-lister, and you wish it would go away. And then it does, and you start to want it back.
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Post by: jammindude on October 29, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
I was just saying the other day how completely hokey most of the Moore films are.  Even the acclaimed Spy Who Loved me just bores me to tears.   Live and Let Die is a Bond Blaxspoitation film, and it's just utterly ridiculous.   Moonraker is almost as much parody as The Naked Gun series. 

The only Moore films I recall enjoying were For Your Eyes Only and A View to A Kill.  The rest were pretty bad (though still good for occasional fun if you're in an extremely campy mood).

My step son and I are going to rewatch the Craig trilogy before we go to see Spectre on opening day...should be fun.  I never got around to seeing Quantum because of all the bad reviews, so that will be a first.
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Post by: The Trooper on October 29, 2015, 10:02:43 PM
I have seen Spectre and if he did do a lot of the stunts and the grinding work that is in the film. I get his comments. It is a spectacular film. Probably one on the best Bond films ever. It is well written, acted and the action holy crap. He is under contract for 1 more, but who knows. The action stuff in the film is demanding. Do not get me wrong, the guy is a monster in physical shape. But an almost 2 year shoot for the film with whats in it is demanding.
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Post by: The Trooper on October 29, 2015, 10:04:35 PM
and with the way Craig set up his contract for the Bond films he is not hurting for cash.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 29, 2015, 11:54:10 PM

My step son and I are going to rewatch the Craig trilogy before we go to see Spectre on opening day...should be fun.  I never got around to seeing Quantum because of all the bad reviews, so that will be a first.

Lower your expectations. Horrible film. The ONLY thing I like about it is Daniel.
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Post by: Zantera on October 30, 2015, 02:39:41 AM
I didn't leave the cinema thinking Quantum of Solace was bad, just that it felt a bit bland. I honestly don't remember much about it, didn't it have a scene at a opera house or something? I vaguely remember that. And I remember a fairly unique looking building where the end took place. But the plot itself was kinda weird and having the main bad guy be some regular office dude who wanted to obtain all the water in the desert (or something) was also weird. Also the action scenes were filmed so bad compared to the previous films, a lot of shaky cam.

That's about all I remember.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 30, 2015, 04:56:19 AM
I didn't leave the cinema thinking Quantum of Solace was bad, just that it felt a bit bland. I honestly don't remember much about it, didn't it have a scene at a opera house or something? I vaguely remember that. And I remember a fairly unique looking building where the end took place. But the plot itself was kinda weird and having the main bad guy be some regular office dude who wanted to obtain all the water in the desert (or something) was also weird. Also the action scenes were filmed so bad compared to the previous films, a lot of shaky cam.

That's about all I remember.

Same director as World War Z which also had terrible camerawork.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 30, 2015, 05:01:45 AM
I didn't leave the cinema thinking Quantum of Solace was bad, just that it felt a bit bland. I honestly don't remember much about it, didn't it have a scene at a opera house or something? I vaguely remember that. And I remember a fairly unique looking building where the end took place. But the plot itself was kinda weird and having the main bad guy be some regular office dude who wanted to obtain all the water in the desert (or something) was also weird.

That's pretty similar to my thoughts.
I don't think the movie is near as bad as people say, but nor is it a noteworthy Bond film. It's just kinda there.

I recall a sequence in particular that the shaky cam and quick editing particularly annoyed me, but I can't remember if it was in QoS or Casino Royale. Going by the setting I remember, it was probably QoS though.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 30, 2015, 05:23:49 AM
I didn't leave the cinema thinking Quantum of Solace was bad, just that it felt a bit bland. I honestly don't remember much about it, didn't it have a scene at a opera house or something? I vaguely remember that. And I remember a fairly unique looking building where the end took place. But the plot itself was kinda weird and having the main bad guy be some regular office dude who wanted to obtain all the water in the desert (or something) was also weird.

That's pretty similar to my thoughts.
I don't think the movie is near as bad as people say, but nor is it a noteworthy Bond film. It's just kinda there.

I recall a sequence in particular that the shaky cam and quick editing particularly annoyed me, but I can't remember if it was in QoS or Casino Royale. Going by the setting I remember, it was probably QoS though.

It's definitely very noticeable in the opening car chase. One of those " well we haven't choreographed this scene so just drive and i'll shake the camera about in close up "
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Post by: BlackInk on November 01, 2015, 05:49:51 AM
SPOILERS FOR SPECTRE FOLLOWS



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Saw the movie yesterday, and while I'd say that it is definetely a good movie, it was a bit of a disappointment. It also made some weird choices at times.

Let's talk the villain first, which is the main problem with the movie. Waltz does an excellent job with the role he's given, but the role itself isn't as impactful as it feels like they wanted it to. Silva was way more threatening and intense. Le Chiffre was also a much better villain overall. They tried to tie it all together and make Blofeld a bigger presence as a villain by having him be behind the events of all the previous movies. And while I think stuff like that is cool, the execution of that idea was a bit underwhelming. I didn't really get the connection between the various villains over the years. Le Chiffre and Mr White I can sort of get, but it's still pretty flimsy. And was Quantum a sub-organisation of Spectre? I guess, but why? What's the difference between those two groups? The movie never really attempts to explain. And Blofeld was connected to Silva? Same as the other movies, there is no hint at a higher power in Skyfall, so it just seems like an afterthought.

Blofeld also says at some point that he was responsible for the women in his life dying, specifically Vesper and M. Vesper died from drowning in a sinking building. Did Blofeld plan that? I don't see how he could. Also, it was Silva's plan to kill M, which might have benefitted Spectre. But Blofeld makes it sound like M dying was a punishment because Bond interfered with his work. But Silva's plan to kill M had already started before Bond had interfered. And it was super personal for Silva, he would probably have done that anyways, Bond interfering or not.

Also, he causes no damage for Bond himself in the movie. Nothing of real consequence happens here. The drilling into the skull torture scene was certainly intense, but it resulted in nothing. There was the idea that Bond might lose the ability to recognize faces, which would have been huge, but that didn't happen... for some reason... despite Blofeld actually doing the thing that was supposed to make that happen.

So all of those attempts to give more weight to Blofeld failed a bit for me, and he disappointingly ended up a not really memorable Bond villain because he never really did anything. Which is really a damn shame.

Also, some scenes were a but dragged out. One being through the stylistic choices made during the Spectre grand meeting scene. Long passages where no one says anything, there's no music, nothing really happens. I get what they were going for, I absolutely do, but I think they took it a bit too far and the scene ended up being a bit dull. It ended in a very cool way though, with Blofeld announcing that he knew Bond was there watching. And when he turned his head and looked straight at him was really cool.

Unfortunately, what followed was a way too dragged out car chase. A car chase in a movie shouldn't feel slow, but something about it was just off.

The stand-out part of the movie though was the part at Blofeld's desert headquarter. The meteorite chamber, the Blofeld speeches, the torture scene, and then the escape, all really exciting stuff.

It is also clear that they wanted to have a "final movie" feel here. But again, nothing of real impact happened to reach that goal. Skyfall felt much more like a "the last movie".

This was me really focusing on the issues though. There is still a lot to enjoy about this movie though, and like I said in the beginning, I overall think this was a really good movie. And from a visual and productional stand point, it's brilliantly made. I'd rank it above Quantum of Solace (which I like more than most), but below both Casino Royal and Skyfall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 08:31:58 AM
Yes. If QoS was as good as Daniel Craig's other three - he'd be a sure fire contender for best bond ever.

As it is - QoS is merely good and not great whilst I think Casino Royale, Skyfall and Spectre are great.

But at least he didn't do Goldeneye and then follow it up with three duds.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 01, 2015, 08:42:33 AM
Yes. If QoS was as good as Daniel Craig's other three - he'd be a sure fire contender for best bond ever.

As it is - QoS is merely good and not great whilst I think Casino Royale, Skyfall and Spectre are great.

But at least he didn't do Goldeneye and then follow it up with three duds.

I thought Tomorrow Never Dies was ok-ish. Not what I'd call a dud, not great, but it had its moments. I won't argue on his last two, and I still haven't even seen Die Another Day. I'm fine to just cut my losses on that one.

As excellent as I think the new Bond movies are, Craig will never rank as a better Bond for me personally. The movies are great in spite of him, rather than because of him. Not a popular opinion I know, but he just falls flat for me. It's probably because of the era, but Brosnan will always be *my* Bond, it's just a shame they weren't all close to the standard of Goldeneye. Now, if we'd gotten movies like the new ones, but with a younger Brosnan instead of Craig, forget about it.

/controversial
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Post by: Phoenix87x on November 01, 2015, 08:48:01 AM

But at least he didn't do Goldeneye and then follow it up with three duds.

Very good point.

After goldeneye, I had such high expectations for the Pierce era. Sadly, it went very differently  :'(


Goldeneye  :hefdaddy Favorite bond film

Tomorrow never dies- Wacky, but entertaining. I dig it. Definitely a drop in quality from Goldeneye though.

The world is not enough- I find it very dull and I usually lose interest halfway through


(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/vomit.gif) (https://s213.photobucket.com/user/black_floyd_2007/media/vomit.gif.html) Die another day :marriageanalogy:
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 09:21:49 AM
Yes. If QoS was as good as Daniel Craig's other three - he'd be a sure fire contender for best bond ever.

As it is - QoS is merely good and not great whilst I think Casino Royale, Skyfall and Spectre are great.

But at least he didn't do Goldeneye and then follow it up with three duds.

I thought Tomorrow Never Dies was ok-ish. Not what I'd call a dud, not great, but it had its moments. I won't argue on his last two, and I still haven't even seen Die Another Day. I'm fine to just cut my losses on that one.

As excellent as I think the new Bond movies are, Craig will never rank as a better Bond for me personally. The movies are great in spite of him, rather than because of him. Not a popular opinion I know, but he just falls flat for me. It's probably because of the era, but Brosnan will always be *my* Bond, it's just a shame they weren't all close to the standard of Goldeneye. Now, if we'd gotten movies like the new ones, but with a younger Brosnan instead of Craig, forget about it.

/controversial

I loved Pierce Brosnan as Bond but it was a shame that 3/4 of his movies were not great. The World Is Not Enough was a bit better than Tomorrow Never Dies though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
The first is usually the best, except for a few rare exceptions (Harrison Ford better than Alec Baldwin in the Jack Ryan franchise, e.g., and even then it might just be a personal bias).  Connery was absolutely iconic in the role, even in mediocre films like "Diamonds Are Forever" and "Never Say Never Again (non-official, canon-wise)," and I'd rather see him than Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, or Craig, at least if he were not 86-years-old.  I like Craig's portrayal better than the other replacements because he is less of a pretty boy and rougher around the edges.  It's obvious that Craig has had the most to work with story-wise and production values-wise.

I think "Goldeneye" is actually a little overrated.  It was more akin to the tongue-in-cheek Moore films than the intense Dalton duo that preceded it, and I liked Famke Janssen's Xenia Onatopp more than anything else.  The other three were forgettable, although I liked Jonathon Pryce's Rupert Murdoch parody in "Tomorrow Never Dies."  "Die Another Day" was particularly stupid all the way around and was almost a remake of "Diamonds Are Forever" in some respects (Doomday Device powered by diamonds, villain hiding by creating plastic surgery-created body doubles or by farsical gene manipulation, etc.).
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Post by: Zantera on November 01, 2015, 12:19:06 PM
If you guys had to pick, what would be your top 3 Bond films?

I'd go with Casino Royale, Golden Eye and License to Kill.
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
If you guys had to pick, what would be your top 3 Bond films?

I'd go with Casino Royale, Golden Eye and License to Kill.

I can't remember all 24 but right now :

1. Goldeneye
2. Casino Royale
3. Skyfall / Spectre / A View To A Kill
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Post by: ozzy554 on November 01, 2015, 12:44:25 PM
1. On her Majestys Secret Service
2. Thunderball
3. Licence to Kill
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Post by: Polarbear on November 01, 2015, 12:58:42 PM
If you guys had to pick, what would be your top 3 Bond films?

I'd go with Casino Royale, Golden Eye and License to Kill.

Tough question! Right now, i would go with these 3.

1. Thunderball
2. The Spy Who Loved Me
3. Goldeneye
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Post by: BlackInk on November 01, 2015, 01:04:10 PM
1. Skyfall
2. Casino Royal
3. Spectre

I have seen one non-Craig Bond movie, which was Die Another Day.
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Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
Overall:
1. Casino Royale
2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
3. Skyfall

Moore Films:
1. For Your Eyes Only (the least ridiculous Moore film + the end of Blofeld)
2. The Spy Who Loved Me (overrated by some; loved the visual of Jaws eating the shark instead of the other way around)
3. A View To A Kill (thanks to Christopher Walken and the Duran Duran theme song)
4. The Man With The Golden Gun (almost entirely thanks to Christopher Lee)
5. Live And Let Die (a Blaxploitation film that included James Bond)
6. Moonraker (laser guns? seriously?)
7. Octopussy (James Bond in a clown suit; need I say more?)

Connery Films:
1. From Russia With Love (good story and strong supporting characters in Tatiana Romanova, Red Grant, Rosa Krebb, and Al Kerim Bey)
2. Goldfinger (excellent but could have used better production values, especially when the plane was going down)
3. Thunderball (fairly boring, interminable underwater scenes)
4. You Only Live Twice (mostly for the unveiling of Donald Pleasance's Blofeld; otherwise stupid)
5. Dr. No (boring as shit, except for how Connery carried himself and Ursula Andress coming out of the water)
6. Never Say Never Again (Barbara Carrera was the best part of this Thunderball remake)
7. Diamonds Are Forever (not serious enough, especially following OHMSS)

Brosnan Films:
1. Goldeneye (the only good one, really)
2. Tomorrow Never Dies (so-so in all respects: story, Bond girls; Jonathan Pryce the only standout)
3. The World Is Not Enough (all downhill after the pre-title sequence; stupid villains, Denise Richards as a nuclear physicist)
4. Die Another Day (very little good to say about it)

Dalton Films:
1. Licence to Kill (good revenge story, entertaining villain in Robert Davi's Sanchez)
2. The Living Daylights (nothing terrible but nothing terribly memorable either; Bond gets the least action he ever has, sexually)

Craig Films:
1. Casino Royale (the best film in the entire series)
2. Skyfall (Bond the most vulnerable he's ever been to this point)
3. Quantum of Solace (underrated by some; not to the level of the other 2 Craig films; liked the understated villain, Dominic Green)

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
Dominic Green is just Tony Blair :lol
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Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
I like that he's not a megalomaniac like most Bond villains:  he isn't planning on starting World War III or have some ridiculous, grandiose scheme for controlling the world with one foul deed.  He is willing to do a little at a time, with the accumulation of little goals (like controlling Bolivia's water supply) leading to ultimate power for Quantum (or SPECTRE, if Quantum is only a subsidiary).  Plus, he isn't over the top like almost all Bond villains.  He is much like the actor's character in "Munich," in terms of delivery and overall tendencies.  Those are the only two films I've ever seen the actor in:  maybe that is all he is capable of playing.
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
I know now after seeing World War Z never to watch another Marc Foster action pic :lol
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:54:27 PM
Compare the car chase scene in the opening of Quantum of Solace to the big air-battle at the end of Avatar.

Such a difference. James Cameron shows you what's going on and doesn't need to do extreme close ups with shaky cam to make it more exciting.

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Post by: Cool Chris on November 01, 2015, 08:40:09 PM
I think "Goldeneye" is actually a little overrated.  It was more akin to the tongue-in-cheek Moore films....

I think that was part of its charm. They were definitely embracing it. Robbie Coltrain at the first meeting, quoting Bond's "Shaken, not stirred" and having a chuckle with his henchmen. The wronged villain seeking revenge is an oft-used character, but I love Sean Bean, and having an ex-00 agent going after Bond and his beloved England made for a good storyline, along with the end of the cold war background. Bond movies are often as strong, or weak, as his antagonist. I feel that is very pronounced in the Craig films. I cannot remember a thing about QoS's villain, and I can barely remember anything about the film itself.

I think Bond movies always had an element of fun to them. At least the best ones. Some of them took it too far, others maybe not far enough.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 01, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
I think Bond movies always had an element of fun to them. At least the best ones. Some of them took it too far, others maybe not far enough.


It's just a matter of personal preference where that line is. Personally I enjoy the escapism of Bond, so I like the fun element as long as it doesn't undermine the story. I enjoy the serious side too, but Craig is too serious a Bond for me, and I think he falls so flat on the one liners where other Bonds would have eaten it up.

After the under-performance of the two Dalton movies, I'd say they wanted to bring more balance back to the franchise with Goldeneye, and I think they struck the perfect balance there. Not that I'm criticizing the Dalton movies, as I thought they were great, and thought he was a great Bond too, but I think the timing just wasn't right for Dalton or that style unfortunately.

It's been a while since I've seen many of the films so this is from memory and in no particular order for favourites-

The Spy Who Loved Me
Goldfinger
Goldeneye
License To Kill
Casino Royal or Skyfall

I didn't even intend for that to be basically one per Bond, but it ended up that way. :lol
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Post by: Cool Chris on November 01, 2015, 10:52:09 PM
After the under-performance of the two Dalton movies, I'd say they wanted to bring more balance back to the franchise with Goldeneye, and I think they struck the perfect balance there. Not that I'm criticizing the Dalton movies, as I thought they were great, and thought he was a great Bond too, but I think the timing just wasn't right for Dalton or that style unfortunately.

Watching those movies now just feel like watching any generic 80s action movie. The Brosnan movies bought back some of the international spy movie feel, which gives them that feel of coming back to form. Then it got a little ridiculous with something seemingly blow up every 2 minutes, which is a by-product of our current movie-going Michael Bay, shaky-camera, explosions everywhere sensibilities. And it had to compete with Jason Bourne who let Bond know he wasn't the only spy in town.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 01, 2015, 10:57:42 PM
I remember License to Kill better than The Living Daylights, but I don't think it felt like a generic '80s action movie, it was definitely more stripped back and serious though. But so was Casino Royale. I don't know, as I said, there's a lot of personal preference in where the line is with the balance of elements, given how many different interpretations we've had of the character now in 50+ years.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 02, 2015, 02:59:20 AM
I think Dalton is the most underrated Bond. Especially License to Kill which essentially was almost 20 years before its time. It's a darker and more serious Bond, and much closer to the Craig-Bond than anything else we had seen at that point.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 04, 2015, 03:14:00 PM
Dalton is the most like the Bond from the books (or at least the two Fleming novels that I have read).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on November 06, 2015, 11:45:21 PM
Wow....watching QoS for the first time.

Has anyone noticed this??

(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/Mangini-Head-Shot-Web-Res1_zpsdpkgigry.jpg~original)

(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/mathieu-amalric-echa-louis-garrel-venus-T-XJG8WM_zpsu3oht9zo.jpeg~original)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2015, 05:20:17 AM
They don't look that similar to me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on November 07, 2015, 12:01:34 PM
Just watched Casino Royale and I really liked it. Craigs bond reminds me of Timothy dalton.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 07, 2015, 03:05:03 PM
I like quantum of solace, but I really think the villain is weak. Like as in literally weak. 

Like watching this final scene.

(https://s.hswstatic.com/gif/quantum-of-solace-4.jpg)


I was shocked that Bond didn't beat the living shit out of him in like two seconds. Going up against someone like 006 or the SPECTRE agent in From Russia with love, I can understand, but not this little dude.

(https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/196/1238085494_2.jpg)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 07, 2015, 03:56:31 PM
Finally saw Spectre and I absolutely loved it. I seriously don't know why some critics are ripping it to shreds, it's an excellent Bond movie. So many parts reminded me of classic Bond. Definitely seeing it again a couple more times lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 08, 2015, 03:31:56 AM
It definetely doesn't deserve being "ripped to shreds", because I agree that it was a good movie, but it did have some issues.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 03:48:14 AM
Anyone who is ripping this to shreds is just doing it for the sake of it. I think it had less contrivances than the last film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2015, 04:11:03 AM
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 04:22:17 AM
No since the Daniel Craig ones are starting over so to speak. Not doing exact stories as Connery but dropping in same characters here and there.

The only weird thing is having Judi Dench as M for both Pierce Brosnan and the "rebooted" series.

I would suggest working backwards. See all of Craig's then Brosnans then Dalton's pair :zydar: then Moore and finally Lazenby and Connery.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 08, 2015, 04:39:20 AM
Anyone who is ripping this to shreds is just doing it for the sake of it. I think it had less contrivances than the last film.

I think I'd agree, but that's not really where Spectre's issues are. Thematically and emotionally, Skyfall is a much more complete and focused film. Compared to that, Spectre can feel a bit jumbled, drawn out, and rushed at the same time.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 08, 2015, 04:41:13 AM
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

You can start basically anywhere with Bond, since there's not much in terms of continuity (except for the Craig ones to some degree). Starting with Casino Royale wouldn't give the entire picture as far as the tone of previous Bond movies (which is fine), but it would nonetheless still be a perfectly good place to start, and is a great movie that is fairly universally liked.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 08, 2015, 04:46:50 AM
I'd say Casino Royale is a good starting point if you want to get up to date fairly quickly, but you can really start anywhere. As someone who grew up with Bond, those older movies have a charm to them, but they are definitely a reflection of the time they were made in. I think some people who haven't grown up with Bond, might have a hard time liking some of the older ones. They're kinda cheesy. But the different actors who have portrayed Bond have all brought different qualities, so you could try and sample a bit, watch a movie with each one and see who you like the most, and want to see more from.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 07:51:25 AM
Connery : You Only Live Twice

Moore : View To A Kill / Live & Let Die

Dalton : Licence To Kill ( pretty close tonally to the Craig movies )

Lazenby : OHMSS :p ( his only role )

Brosnan : Goldeneye ( same director as Casino Royale and one of the top 3 bond movies ever )

Craig : Casino Royale. ( You kind of have to watch all of his in order as there is a kind of arc to them. )

 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 08, 2015, 07:52:50 AM
I'd go with-

Connery : Goldfinger

Moore : The Spy Who Loved Me

Dalton : Licence To Kill

Brosnan : Goldeneye

Craig : Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 08:08:09 AM
When I think of You Only Live Twice - I think of Little Nellie and *that* score. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnmau8_iypw


Is that rear projection ? It doesn't look like a matte and i'm not sure when chromakey started happening in films...
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2015, 08:21:50 AM
Ok, thanks for the suggestions!  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 08, 2015, 10:44:50 AM
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

Watch the entire series in order  ;D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

I would recommend starting with Goldeneye. Not super old, not super new. A nice balance and my favorite

 From there I would say either go down 1 of 2 roads:


A) to Casino royale and forward in time

Or

B) Go back to Dr. No and go forward from there


either way, the James Bond series is badass and needs to be experienced.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 02:34:14 PM
The only one i've never seen is OHMSS. Mainly because it was the thing when I was growing up that it was terrible and Lazenby was a rubbish Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 08, 2015, 02:56:12 PM
Wrong on both counts (not you, public perception).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 08, 2015, 03:16:55 PM
I think OHMSS is probably the biggest gem in the Bond-catalogue and used to be overlooked and made fun of, but I think the more time has passed, the more people have started to appreciate it. When I was young, my parents always made fun of OHMSS, my dad loving the Moore-bond and my mom loving the Connery-bond, and they both joked about Lazenby being "too bad to make another one". I bought into that as a kid, because knowing the others had made several films, it came off as a failure that this guy only made ONE, and then was replaced. As I got older I learned more about the story behind it, why he didn't return, and it was one of the last Bond-films I saw out of the pre-Craig ones, and it's actually really good.

As much as I appreciate all eras of Bond, OHMSS would be in my top5 Bond films. I think there are some rose tinted glasses involved and I don't think my example with my parents is unusual, I think a lot of people dismiss Lazenby and OHMSS simply because it's the one-off film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 08, 2015, 03:49:33 PM
OHMSS gets a lot of shit, but I think its fairly interesting and definitely worth watching.

 By the time I watched YOLT, I was feeling pretty tired of the series. OHMSS is so wildly different, and I like that.

The one thing that really screwed me up was watching it as a kid I got confused thinking that Bond was a code name since on the beach he strait up goes "this never happened to the other fella". I was like what the hell? Is this James Bond or just a new guy that took the code name, but I was really young.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on November 09, 2015, 08:56:12 AM
Considering that OHMSS was Lazenbys first acting job he wasnt really that bad. He did nail that ending scene though. If he had done more than one film I think he would've grown into the role quite nicely.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Podaar on November 09, 2015, 09:07:32 AM
SPOILERS FOR SPECTRE FOLLOWS



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Saw the movie yesterday, and while I'd say that it is definetely a good movie, it was a bit of a disappointment. It also made some weird choices at times.

Let's talk the villain first, which is the main problem with the movie. Waltz does an excellent job with the role he's given, but the role itself isn't as impactful as it feels like they wanted it to. Silva was way more threatening and intense. Le Chiffre was also a much better villain overall. They tried to tie it all together and make Blofeld a bigger presence as a villain by having him be behind the events of all the previous movies. And while I think stuff like that is cool, the execution of that idea was a bit underwhelming. I didn't really get the connection between the various villains over the years. Le Chiffre and Mr White I can sort of get, but it's still pretty flimsy. And was Quantum a sub-organisation of Spectre? I guess, but why? What's the difference between those two groups? The movie never really attempts to explain. And Blofeld was connected to Silva? Same as the other movies, there is no hint at a higher power in Skyfall, so it just seems like an afterthought.

Blofeld also says at some point that he was responsible for the women in his life dying, specifically Vesper and M. Vesper died from drowning in a sinking building. Did Blofeld plan that? I don't see how he could. Also, it was Silva's plan to kill M, which might have benefitted Spectre. But Blofeld makes it sound like M dying was a punishment because Bond interfered with his work. But Silva's plan to kill M had already started before Bond had interfered. And it was super personal for Silva, he would probably have done that anyways, Bond interfering or not.

Also, he causes no damage for Bond himself in the movie. Nothing of real consequence happens here. The drilling into the skull torture scene was certainly intense, but it resulted in nothing. There was the idea that Bond might lose the ability to recognize faces, which would have been huge, but that didn't happen... for some reason... despite Blofeld actually doing the thing that was supposed to make that happen.

So all of those attempts to give more weight to Blofeld failed a bit for me, and he disappointingly ended up a not really memorable Bond villain because he never really did anything. Which is really a damn shame.

Also, some scenes were a but dragged out. One being through the stylistic choices made during the Spectre grand meeting scene. Long passages where no one says anything, there's no music, nothing really happens. I get what they were going for, I absolutely do, but I think they took it a bit too far and the scene ended up being a bit dull. It ended in a very cool way though, with Blofeld announcing that he knew Bond was there watching. And when he turned his head and looked straight at him was really cool.

Unfortunately, what followed was a way too dragged out car chase. A car chase in a movie shouldn't feel slow, but something about it was just off.

The stand-out part of the movie though was the part at Blofeld's desert headquarter. The meteorite chamber, the Blofeld speeches, the torture scene, and then the escape, all really exciting stuff.

It is also clear that they wanted to have a "final movie" feel here. But again, nothing of real impact happened to reach that goal. Skyfall felt much more like a "the last movie".

This was me really focusing on the issues though. There is still a lot to enjoy about this movie though, and like I said in the beginning, I overall think this was a really good movie. And from a visual and productional stand point, it's brilliantly made. I'd rank it above Quantum of Solace (which I like more than most), but below both Casino Royal and Skyfall.

This is pretty close to how I felt.

*SPOILER*

The other thing that stood out to me was, there was zero chemistry between Craig and Seydoux. In fact, when she whispers that she loves him it seemed to come completely out of left field.

I had a decent time watching the movie, but I came away with no real anticipation of ever seeing it again. That may change.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 09, 2015, 09:25:38 AM
I thought the evolution of their relationship was more bizarre than the chemistry. Some mild spoilers ahead for those who haven't seen it and are touchy about spoilers (It's nothing too specific plot-wise, if you read it you would probably already have expected something like it to happen)

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

So.. First she tells Bond to not touch her, or she will kill him. Slightly joking, but she keeps distance and their chemistry falls more under him helping her, rather than them having chemistry. They talk a little, but she still feels fairly distant. Bond gets into a fight scene, the scene ends.. she says "So what do we do now?" and cut to them making love. It came out of left field so bad that I burst out laughing. It was just so random, and in a way very typical to the cliched Bond image.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 09, 2015, 10:56:50 AM
I thought the evolution of their relationship was more bizarre than the chemistry.

So.. First she tells Bond to not touch her, or she will kill him. Slightly joking, but she keeps distance and their chemistry falls more under him helping her, rather than them having chemistry. They talk a little, but she still feels fairly distant. Bond gets into a fight scene, the scene ends.. she says "So what do we do now?" and cut to them making love. It came out of left field so bad that I burst out laughing. It was just so random, and in a way very typical to the cliched Bond image.

The other thing that stood out to me was, there was zero chemistry between Craig and Seydoux. In fact, when she whispers that she loves him it seemed to come completely out of left field.

Yeah, it was clear that they wanted to make her the new Vesper, only it didn't come off half as believable. I would agree with Zantera though, it was more the relationship arc that was the problem though, rather than the chemistry. Up until the random train sex, I was quite enjoying what they had going on.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on November 10, 2015, 11:48:26 PM
Just saw Spectre today, and I absolutely loved it. In some ways, it's a better film than Skyfall, but it's no Casino Royale. I loved the classic Bond feel to the movie, from the helicopter fight to the train fight. I nearly lost it at the end of the film when Blofeld looks at Bond and Swann, nearly foreshadowing the events that happens in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. While I think they shouldn't remake OHMSS, it would be interesting if the plot point of killing Bond's wife, presumably Swann in this case, could be a driving factor for the next movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 06:53:13 AM
POSSIBLE SPOILERS BELOW OR WHATEVER


Spectre opened today here, so I finally saw it. I agree with basically all of BlackInk's points, but I still thought it was a great movie. Tying together the previous movies was a nice idea, but I didn't feel it did anything in the execution to make it work if you actually watched the previous movies back.
The main villain became prominent only very late in the piece, so I didn't feel much about that. I also wish Batista lasted a bit longer (and wishful thinking, they could potentially bring him back since he could have easily lived).

It didn't feel like as long a movie as it was, and the pacing was good. I think I enjoyed it a bit more than Skyfall, obviously more than QoS. It's been too long since I've seen Casino Royale, so I can't fairly compare them, but this was another good addition to Craig's era.

If this is Craig's last movie, I thought it was a nice ending. I really hope he doesn't do any more, because it was written as an ending, and I don't want anything resembling OHMSS for the next one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 09:32:02 AM
If DC does another one - people are just gonna go into it expecting THAT twist... That is - if Lea Seydoux is even in it.

There's plenty of Bond movies where the Antagonist is revealed very late in the game only to die a short time after. I don't see the big deal.

He was more of a presence in Spectre. Not the End Of Game Boss © of the movie.

Plus he's not even dead - he can easily come back and cause more aggro.

Although I did wonder why they didn't explain why the drill in Bond's brain didn't do what Blofeld said it would. He probably just "did it wrong".
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
Although I did wonder why they didn't explain why the drill in Bond's brain didn't do what Blofeld said it would. He probably just "did it wrong".

That really should have been explained, because I have no idea what was intended with that. There's no indication the guy did it wrong, or that there was a reasonable chance it might not work. It was just like "I recognize you", "ok".
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
I dislike torture scenes in general but that one wasn't as hard to watch as the one in Casino Royale.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 09:57:16 AM
Which is funny, because I had no problem at all with the one in Casino Royale, but this one made me really squeamish and tense to watch. But I have a thing about seeing people get any kind of needle in TV/film, so a drill to the side of the head and neck, nuh uh. :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 10:02:48 AM
I was just on the forum on SPECTRE on Imdb looking for other people's opinion.

Every other topic is OMFG WORST BOND MOVIE OF ALL TIME.

It's like. That's clearly not true. Stop being an obvious troll and go play in the street.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 10:07:04 AM
It's not even the worst Bond movie of this millennium. :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 10:09:01 AM
It's not even the worst Bond movie of this millennium. :lol

I know they're only doing it for attention but : DANIEL CRAIG WORST BOND EVER. LAST FOUR MOVIES NOT BOND. ALL SHIT. SAM MENDES RUINED MY LIFE AND FUCKED MY CAT.



Actually at least two of the last four are considered some of the Best Bond's ever. :dunno:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 10:12:49 AM
It's not even the worst Bond movie of this millennium. :lol

I know they're only doing it for attention but : DANIEL CRAIG WORST BOND EVER. LAST FOUR MOVIES NOT BOND. ALL SHIT. SAM MENDES RUINED MY LIFE AND FUCKED MY CAT.



Actually at least two of the last four are considered some of the Best Bond's ever. :dunno:

I totally understand not liking Daniel Craig, as me and my brother both still dislike him as Bond, yet we still think the movies are mostly great. It's amazing how much enjoyment you can get when you actually give things a chance and go in with an open mind.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 10:14:39 AM
I always do that. Even when my bro and I went to see Total Recall 2012 and RoboCop 2014.

We both said afterwards that we enjoyed RoboCop 2014 actually quite a bit.

Total Recall 2012 was tripe but at least we had fun laughing at it afterwards :lol

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 10:19:41 AM
I still haven't gotten around to watching the new Robocop. One of these days! More often than not, when I go into a movie I expect to suck, I end up at least enjoying it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
Went into Robocop2014 with an open mind. I actually wanted to enjoy it. And I was actually surprised.

It wasn't *just* a shitty slap dash Hollywood soul-less remake.

It actually said something new that the original didn't.

it didn't shit all over the source material like Total Recall 2012 did. It was clearly made with reverence to the original BUT STILL made it's own movie.

It has Alex Murphy of course, ED-209s, OCP and a partner called Lewis.

That's where the similarities end. I think they did the right thing of - if you're doing a remake - make it more of a sequel and completely do your own thing.

Total Recall 2012 was just slot in all the things people remember from the original - change everything for no good reason and completely balls it up.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 12, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
Which is funny, because I had no problem at all with the one in Casino Royale, but this one made me really squeamish and tense to watch. But I have a thing about seeing people get any kind of needle in TV/film, so a drill to the side of the head and neck, nuh uh. :lol

Yeah, this for me as well. The Spectre torture scene was more uncorfortable to sit through. But I do think the one in Casino Royal is a better scene overall.

He was more of a presence in Spectre. Not the End Of Game Boss © of the movie.

But was he though? It seems like they tried to make it feel that way, but that's just the thing, I never really felt him as a presence, as "the guy pulling the strings". They kept telling us he was, but I never felt it as much as they wanted me to. He never quite felt like a true threat and ultimately did nothing of true consequence, which is probably the biggest problem of the movie.

Silva is also a Bond villain that takes a long time to show up, but he felt much more like a threat. I don't know why, I haven't really thought about it that deeply, but that's a clear difference between the two in my mind.

And, I also liked the 2014 Robocop.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 11:25:20 AM
Robocop 2014 had the best scene of any movie I saw that year :


SPOILER : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXOhIJg4B7k
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 13, 2015, 02:09:52 PM
SPOILERS FOR SPECTRE FOLLOWS



---------



Saw the movie yesterday, and while I'd say that it is definetely a good movie, it was a bit of a disappointment. It also made some weird choices at times.

Let's talk the villain first, which is the main problem with the movie. Waltz does an excellent job with the role he's given, but the role itself isn't as impactful as it feels like they wanted it to. Silva was way more threatening and intense. Le Chiffre was also a much better villain overall. They tried to tie it all together and make Blofeld a bigger presence as a villain by having him be behind the events of all the previous movies. And while I think stuff like that is cool, the execution of that idea was a bit underwhelming. I didn't really get the connection between the various villains over the years. Le Chiffre and Mr White I can sort of get, but it's still pretty flimsy. And was Quantum a sub-organisation of Spectre? I guess, but why? What's the difference between those two groups? The movie never really attempts to explain. And Blofeld was connected to Silva? Same as the other movies, there is no hint at a higher power in Skyfall, so it just seems like an afterthought.

Blofeld also says at some point that he was responsible for the women in his life dying, specifically Vesper and M. Vesper died from drowning in a sinking building. Did Blofeld plan that? I don't see how he could. Also, it was Silva's plan to kill M, which might have benefitted Spectre. But Blofeld makes it sound like M dying was a punishment because Bond interfered with his work. But Silva's plan to kill M had already started before Bond had interfered. And it was super personal for Silva, he would probably have done that anyways, Bond interfering or not.

Also, he causes no damage for Bond himself in the movie. Nothing of real consequence happens here. The drilling into the skull torture scene was certainly intense, but it resulted in nothing. There was the idea that Bond might lose the ability to recognize faces, which would have been huge, but that didn't happen... for some reason... despite Blofeld actually doing the thing that was supposed to make that happen.

So all of those attempts to give more weight to Blofeld failed a bit for me, and he disappointingly ended up a not really memorable Bond villain because he never really did anything. Which is really a damn shame.

Also, some scenes were a but dragged out. One being through the stylistic choices made during the Spectre grand meeting scene. Long passages where no one says anything, there's no music, nothing really happens. I get what they were going for, I absolutely do, but I think they took it a bit too far and the scene ended up being a bit dull. It ended in a very cool way though, with Blofeld announcing that he knew Bond was there watching. And when he turned his head and looked straight at him was really cool.

Unfortunately, what followed was a way too dragged out car chase. A car chase in a movie shouldn't feel slow, but something about it was just off.

The stand-out part of the movie though was the part at Blofeld's desert headquarter. The meteorite chamber, the Blofeld speeches, the torture scene, and then the escape, all really exciting stuff.

It is also clear that they wanted to have a "final movie" feel here. But again, nothing of real impact happened to reach that goal. Skyfall felt much more like a "the last movie".

This was me really focusing on the issues though. There is still a lot to enjoy about this movie though, and like I said in the beginning, I overall think this was a really good movie. And from a visual and productional stand point, it's brilliantly made. I'd rank it above Quantum of Solace (which I like more than most), but below both Casino Royal and Skyfall.
Saw it a couple of hours ago and I pretty much agree with all you said. It was good but some things really annoyed me.

Side note I found the Bond theme to be a bit better in the movie actually but still i'm not a big fan of it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 13, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
I wish there was more action in the alps. That chase was my favorite part of the film but I wish it were longer by a few minutes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 14, 2015, 01:10:03 AM
Side note I found the Bond theme to be a bit better in the movie actually but still i'm not a big fan of it.

I heard it the first time when I saw the movie, and I thought it worked really well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on November 15, 2015, 07:35:45 PM
So Spectre. I'm still processing, and I think I'll have to see it again before really forming an opinion. Right now my off the cuff impression is that it's enjoyable but flawed.

I think one of the biggest issues with the film was that they couldn't decide on a tone. It was like they wanted to have a classic style James Bond adventure, but also have something dark and gritty. The result was pretty jarring at times. I think it would have worked better if they'd leaned more in either of those directions. I felt like Skyfall did a much better job of balancing the two sides.

Spoiler ahead;














My main issue was definitely with some of the reveals surrounding Blofeld. I really like Christoph Waltz, and I think he did a great job with the material he was given, but there was only so much he could do.
He really wasn't in it enough though. It's always great for Waltz to get more screentime, but more importantly, I really didn't feel like they built up his character properly, especially not the conflict between him and Bond. Sure, they told us that they had plenty of history, and that he did all sorts of stuff behind the scenes, but we never actually saw him do all that much. Because of that, he never felt properly threatening (and I think any gravity he had was entirely because of Waltz). It felt like we were supposed to grant the character and his place in the story a lot of weight just because we the audience know that James Bond and Blofeld were enemies in a bunch of the older films.

Also, was anyone at all surprised by the "my name is actually Ernst Stavros Blofeld" reveal? I feel like most of the audience reaction to that was "... wait, we weren't already supposed to know that?".

There was also the same issue with him that existed with Twoface in the Nolan Batman films. It's an iconic character from the series' history, so he shows up, but he's only actually around briefly and then is neutralized in some way.

By far though, the biggest issue I had; I really don't like the reveal that Blofeld and James Bond are basically adoptive brothers. I feel like that significantly cheapens a lot of the events of the previous films, and it makes Blofeld significantly less interesting and threatening. He's supposed to be the greatest criminal mastermind the world has ever known, and it turns out his entire career has just been to fuck with one dude because of daddy issues? Seriously? Blofeld is supposed to target James Bond because Bond keeps messing up his plans. Having them give him the motivation they gave him just makes it seem cartoonishly silly.



It's certainly not a terrible film by any means, but at the moment, it's competing with Quantum of Solace for weakest Craig era film in my opinion. It bums me out that I can't like it more, because I love this series, but they really just dropped the ball in a few crucial places.
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Post by: BlackInk on November 16, 2015, 12:13:07 AM
^ Yeah, basically my thoughts as well. Although I do think it's clearly better than QoS.
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Post by: jammindude on November 16, 2015, 09:21:54 PM
For once, I'm with the crowd.  :mehlin

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It was really good, and I really enjoyed it, but it fell short of expectations.    They were building up everything to this point, and so there is inherited expectation that it will be even better than Skyfall, and the villain even scarier (because, after all, Silva was only another pawn.  Blofeld is *THE GUY*)   But while I will echo everyone's statement that Waltz did an amazing job with what he was given, he simply wasn't given enough.   I also thought that not explaining why Bond didn't lose his ability to recognize people was a giant WTF moment.    My step son and I laughed our asses off at the "what shall we do now?" part.   (really a classic Bond moment.  We knew it was coming and laughed anyway)

However, I will go against the crowd on one point.   I *LOVED* the idea of them being adoptive brothers, and the fact that he was willing to kill his father over such thing just showed how deeply disturbed he was from a very early age.   "Son, I'm adopting this orphan in need.  Please accept as your brother."  "Wow dad, you need to DIE now."   Quite chilling actually.   And I thought it made the resentment much more deep-seated and personal.   
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Post by: TL on November 18, 2015, 10:45:44 AM
Right now, I feel like the best parts of Spectre were better than the best parts of Quantum of Solace, but the worst parts of Spectre were worse than the worst of QoS.

That reveal really didn't work for me.
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Post by: Onno on November 19, 2015, 01:47:07 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2015, 10:36:26 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.

That's what the next movie is for  :tup
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2015, 10:38:23 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.

That's what the next movie is for  :tup
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.

That's what the next movie is for  :tup
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2015, 11:05:50 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.

That's what the next movie is for  :tup


That's what the next movie is for  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 19, 2015, 05:16:35 PM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.
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Post by: TL on November 20, 2015, 08:12:38 AM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.

I feel like that's something they couldn't really get away with these days. With the way film was back in the 60s and early 70s, most people would just say "sure, whatever" and go with it. That, combined with flat out not being able to see the films as often because of the lack of home video. Even by the Dalton era, it felt weird to have more than one Felix (though admittedly the second one they had was way better).

They kept the same actor for Felix in multiple Craig films, and the same "non-Felix CIA buddy" in the Brosnan films. I think if they do bring Blofeld back in the next film or two, it'll be Waltz again.

I've also heard that Blofeld's arc in Spectre was originally supposed to be across two films, so it would be interesting to see if they tried anything with that now.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 20, 2015, 02:45:12 PM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.

I feel like that's something they couldn't really get away with these days. With the way film was back in the 60s and early 70s, most people would just say "sure, whatever" and go with it. That, combined with flat out not being able to see the films as often because of the lack of home video. Even by the Dalton era, it felt weird to have more than one Felix (though admittedly the second one they had was way better).

They kept the same actor for Felix in multiple Craig films, and the same "non-Felix CIA buddy" in the Brosnan films. I think if they do bring Blofeld back in the next film or two, it'll be Waltz again.

I've also heard that Blofeld's arc in Spectre was originally supposed to be across two films, so it would be interesting to see if they tried anything with that now.

The Felix that was in License to Kill was also the Felix in Live and Let Die, so Jeffrey Wright wasn't the first person to play him twice.  Hopefully, they'll bring Waltz back.  If they show Craig the money, and he comes back, hopefully Waltz does too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on November 21, 2015, 11:25:59 AM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.

I feel like that's something they couldn't really get away with these days. With the way film was back in the 60s and early 70s, most people would just say "sure, whatever" and go with it. That, combined with flat out not being able to see the films as often because of the lack of home video. Even by the Dalton era, it felt weird to have more than one Felix (though admittedly the second one they had was way better).

They kept the same actor for Felix in multiple Craig films, and the same "non-Felix CIA buddy" in the Brosnan films. I think if they do bring Blofeld back in the next film or two, it'll be Waltz again.

I've also heard that Blofeld's arc in Spectre was originally supposed to be across two films, so it would be interesting to see if they tried anything with that now.

The Felix that was in License to Kill was also the Felix in Live and Let Die, so Jeffrey Wright wasn't the first person to play him twice.  Hopefully, they'll bring Waltz back.  If they show Craig the money, and he comes back, hopefully Waltz does too.
That's true too.
It was super weird for them to bring David Hedison back after such a long gap, but he was probably the best Felix up to that point, so I'm glad they did.

If Blofeld comes back in the next film or two, I really hope they bring back Waltz. I feel like he has a lot more to bring to the role than he was given the chance to.
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Post by: Onno on November 21, 2015, 02:56:45 PM
I agree. He's just a very good actor. I really like the way he played at the Spectre meeting scene and the scene where Bond was getting tortured.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 21, 2015, 03:57:19 PM
I agree. He's just a very good actor. I really like the way he played at the Spectre meeting scene and the scene where Bond was getting tortured.

I thought he was most menacing in the London finale, especially when they reveal him with the scar. Really good stuff!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 21, 2015, 10:27:48 PM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.

I feel like that's something they couldn't really get away with these days. With the way film was back in the 60s and early 70s, most people would just say "sure, whatever" and go with it. That, combined with flat out not being able to see the films as often because of the lack of home video. Even by the Dalton era, it felt weird to have more than one Felix (though admittedly the second one they had was way better).

They kept the same actor for Felix in multiple Craig films, and the same "non-Felix CIA buddy" in the Brosnan films. I think if they do bring Blofeld back in the next film or two, it'll be Waltz again.

I've also heard that Blofeld's arc in Spectre was originally supposed to be across two films, so it would be interesting to see if they tried anything with that now.

The Felix that was in License to Kill was also the Felix in Live and Let Die, so Jeffrey Wright wasn't the first person to play him twice.  Hopefully, they'll bring Waltz back.  If they show Craig the money, and he comes back, hopefully Waltz does too.
That's true too.
It was super weird for them to bring David Hedison back after such a long gap, but he was probably the best Felix up to that point, so I'm glad they did.

If Blofeld comes back in the next film or two, I really hope they bring back Waltz. I feel like he has a lot more to bring to the role than he was given the chance to.

I always loved the note that Robert Davi's Sanchez character left on Hedison's in-shock Leiter.  "He disagreed with something that ate him."

Hawaii Five-0's Jack Lord was the first Leiter in Dr. No.  Most of the others were no-names, other than Bernie Casey in the semi-official Never Say Never Again.  I thought Hedison was a little too over the top, but maybe it just seemed that way because all of the other Leiters were more or less invisible.  I'd say Jeffrey Wright is my favorite.  Then again, Judi Dench was my favorite M, and Naomie Harris is my favorite Moneypenny, so I'm biased towards the Craig-era in general.  I would have liked to have seen John Cleese play Q more often, and not give Bond invisible cars, but because he was only there twice (once as M) I still have to stick with Desmond Llewelyn as the best.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on November 22, 2015, 04:18:02 AM
(https://www.vogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/24/lea-seydoux-beauty.jpg)

After watching the movie last night, I've fallen totally and utterly in love with this woman. I guess I'm not the only one though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on November 22, 2015, 04:18:35 AM
Oh yeah and the movie was cool too. Lot of potential, didn't really make the most of it though.
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Post by: abydos on November 22, 2015, 10:24:19 PM
Haven't watched Spectre, just dropping by to share an opinion I recently realized I had - Craig is awesome as Bond, but the movies with him are pretty bad. They lack charm, charisma. They feel like Bondified Bourn Identity but the only saving grace in them are Craig and him kicking some ass.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 03:54:43 AM
So Daniel Craig turned down a whopping $70m to return as Bond in two more films - saying " he's done ".

Who's the next 007 ? Cast your vote now !

Henry Cavill ? Oh God - we don't need a dark miserable emo Bond.

Tom Hiddleston ? Too scrawny ?
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 03:57:57 AM
It was actually pounds, so that's insane. He said he didn't want to return after Spectre, so this isn't a surprise.
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Post by: Zantera on May 19, 2016, 03:59:18 AM
Henry Cavill would probably be a great pick. Not basing that on Man of Steel, but he plays a similar kind of role in Man from UNCLE and he really had that charm that Bond has, and he played a convincing spy.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 04:03:43 AM
I always thought that Sam Neill would be a good Bond back in the day.

I'd love Idiris Elba to do it. He is full of charisma.
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Post by: abydos on May 19, 2016, 07:21:15 AM
Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Post by: Zantera on May 19, 2016, 08:03:56 AM
Leonardo DiCaprio.

Not british enough
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 09:01:22 AM
Leonardo DiCaprio.

Plus we already have Inception.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 09:02:10 AM
It's amazing how much enjoyment you can get when you actually give things a chance and go in with an open mind.

Like Into Darkness ? :neverusethis: :vomitard:
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 09:03:24 AM
It was actually pounds, so that's insane. He said he didn't want to return after Spectre, so this isn't a surprise.

He said that 2 years filming a Bond movie is utterly draining.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 09:05:29 AM
I said an open mind, not no mind. :neverusethis:

So, how long before they cast a new Bond?
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Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2016, 09:22:33 AM
Henry Cavill is a good actor, but he doesn't quite feel like Bond to me. Then again, I haven't seen Man From UNCLE yet.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 19, 2016, 09:49:25 AM
Cumberbatch.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 10:14:03 AM
Cumberbatch.

Maybe but I think he's also too scrawny. He could bulk up I guess. He had to for Khan.
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Post by: ariich on May 19, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Cumberbatch.

Maybe but I think he's also too scrawny. He could bulk up I guess. He had to for Khan.
I don't think Bond needs to be STACKED. Hiddlestone for example would be absolutely fine in that regard.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 02:07:52 PM
Not Dave Bautusta stacked but not a scrawny thin dude who doesn't look like he could handle himself in a punch up.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 02:47:51 PM
Edris would be my pick. But lots of people may have a hard time dealing with that, :sad:.. Bale could be a choice.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 02:53:31 PM
Fuck anyone who can't handle a black Bond. Idris Elba is awesome.


Also : (https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/CUMBER1-426871.jpg)
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Post by: abydos on May 19, 2016, 03:04:55 PM
Well now, lets stick to the general description of the character.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
That's a really cool pic of Cumberbatch. Very Bond-y.

I'm back and forth on the whole Idris Elba as Bond thing. I used to be all for it, then I wasn't sure, then I was for it again. I don't know. I love the guy as an actor, but right now I just can't decide.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 03:23:04 PM
Fuck anyone who can't handle a black Bond. Idris Elba is awesome.



Agree 100% . I think he would be great. and fuck anyone that can not get over that.

I think Cumberbatch would be a good choice, but his schedule will not permit a 2 year shooting schedule especially since he is signed for Infinity Wars.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 03:24:32 PM
Well now, lets stick to the general description of the character.

No offense meant............but clarify?
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 03:27:06 PM
Fuck anyone who can't handle a black Bond. Idris Elba is awesome.



Agree 100% . I think he would be great. and fuck anyone that can not get over that.

I think Cumberbatch would be a good choice, but his schedule will not permit a 2 year shooting schedule especially since he is signed for Infinity Wars.


And Sherlock.


And he just signed on for Star Trek 4 : Return to Darkness.





( yes i'm joking ).
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Post by: Adami on May 19, 2016, 03:28:43 PM
Fuck anyone who can't handle a black Bond. Idris Elba is awesome.



Agree 100% . I think he would be great. and fuck anyone that can not get over that.

I think Cumberbatch would be a good choice, but his schedule will not permit a 2 year shooting schedule especially since he is signed for Infinity Wars.


And Sherlock.


And he just signed on for Star Trek 4 : Return to Darkness.





( yes i'm joking ).


I thought it was called "Star Trek 4: Still in darkness because it's god damn dark and we can't figure out how to escape.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 03:29:46 PM
Star Trek 4 : The Revenge of Harrison
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 03:34:32 PM
Star Trek 4 : The Revenge of Harrison

 :omg: ;)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on May 19, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
Well now, lets stick to the general description of the character.

No offense meant............but clarify?
He's black and getting a bit too old for the role. Not a fan of token race/gender changes in general that won't add/improve anything to the story. If possible, they should try to stick with casts and mood as close to the source as possible, and now that the Craig version has become the closest to what appears to be the original Flemming version of the character, I would like them to stick to that. Ultimately, I don't care, it's just a slight preference that I have.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 04:06:33 PM
I like Elba as an actor. I think he'd be a good Bond.
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 19, 2016, 04:15:11 PM
Cumberbatch.

Maybe but I think he's also too scrawny. He could bulk up I guess. He had to for Khan.
I don't think Bond needs to be STACKED. Hiddlestone for example would be absolutely fine in that regard.

I would love seeing Hiddlestone in the Bond role.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 04:24:54 PM
Well now, lets stick to the general description of the character.

No offense meant............but clarify?
He's black and getting a bit too old for the role. Not a fan of token race/gender changes in general that won't add/improve anything to the story. If possible, they should try to stick with casts and mood as close to the source as possible, and now that the Craig version has become the closest to what appears to be the original Flemming version of the character, I would like them to stick to that. Ultimately, I don't care, it's just a slight preference that I have.

Point taken. Thank you on the clarification :tup. Let us agree to disagree.
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Post by: abydos on May 19, 2016, 04:37:07 PM
Oh, Idris Elba is amazing, it's just on principle that I prefer such changes to not take place. Usually they are just made for reasons that do not benefit the end product. Either way, it would be Bond and I will watch it.

If by any chance he gets the role (i don't think his schedule will permit it regardless) then they MUST cast Ruth Wilson as the bond girl / villain :D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 04:45:12 PM
Oh, Idris Elba is amazing, it's just on principle that I prefer such changes to not take place. Usually they are just made for reasons that do not benefit the end product. Either way, it would be Bond and I will watch it.

If by any chance he gets the role (i don't think his schedule will permit it regardless) then they MUST cast Ruth Wilson as the bond girl / villain :D

 Again thanks for the reply. Again I appreciate where you are coming from. All my point was is I think he could do the part well, as Bond. race aside.

I was thinking rather than Wilson that Betty White could do. Just sayin

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Post by: King Postwhore on May 19, 2016, 05:31:53 PM
Betty could go with her name from the SNL skit.  It's a perfect Bond girl name. 

Dusty Muffins. :lol
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
Betty could go with her name from the SNL skit.  It's a perfect Bond girl name. 

Dusty Muffins. :lol

Exactly. I bet she would do it too
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Post by: orcus116 on May 19, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
Not a fan of token race/gender changes in general that won't add/improve anything to the story.

That's my view too. Bond is too iconic of a character to just mess with for the sake of messing with it.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 10:47:29 PM
Not a fan of token race/gender changes in general that won't add/improve anything to the story.

That's my view too. Bond is too iconic of a character to just mess with for the sake of messing with it.

I agree with this. Plenty of other characters around to mess with.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 20, 2016, 01:50:40 AM
I wouldn't want a Gay or female Bond but i'd have no problems with a black dude.


Of course - so an not to offend anyone - the next Bond will be a trans gay black Bond. :lol
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Post by: Zantera on May 20, 2016, 02:32:01 AM
Yeah I've never liked the idea of changing a character's ethnicity just to appeal to the mass audience. I think legacy is sacred and by messing with it, you piss off a lot of people.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a big iconic role led by a black actor, but it pisses me off if they have to take a "white role" and change it. Movies like Black Panther is a step in the right direction because that is a "black role" and it's a great one, and I'm sure it will be a really good movie as well. I don't think there's anything weird with wanting certain roles to remain somewhat the same. Could you imagine the outcry if they made a new Shaft movie and cast a white guy as Shaft? There needs to be more big roles for not just black people, but also other minorities (like Asians) but to me, changing an existing "white role" and shove in a minority is not gonna solve that problem, and if anything it's only gonna cause more turbulence.

If they came out tomorrow and said that Idris Elba was the new Bond though, I would be fine with it. He's a really good actor and I think he has the chops to pull it off. But they could just as easily make a great original spy movie and cast Elba and create a world of their own, and it could work just as well.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 20, 2016, 02:36:24 AM
The thing is - if you made a Black Bond - people would be mostly upset you changed the character from tradition or what was in the source material.

If they made a white Shaft - you would get uproar and everyone screaming Whitewashing.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 20, 2016, 05:17:12 AM
The thing is - if you made a Black Bond - people would be mostly upset you changed the character from tradition or what was in the source material.

If they made a white Shaft - you would get uproar and everyone screaming Whitewashing.

I have a white shaft. I could be in that movie :hat. My only condition is the movie has a happy ending.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 22, 2016, 05:39:40 AM
I loved Daniels more gritty Bond but if he's out I have no problem with a change of pace. I would hate to see an actor trying to play Bond like Craig so if the new actor plays bond completly diffrently i'm all for it.

If Idris can play Bond as convincingly as any other Bond that's good enough for me, how he acts Bond is of course more important than his skin color. If he plays Bond and adds certain lines and dialogue or trait of character to appeal to the black community for example then I would be worried but that dosen't sound like Idrs Elba at all.
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Post by: abydos on May 22, 2016, 05:05:06 PM
If he plays Bond and adds certain lines and dialogue or trait of character to appeal to the black community for example then I would be worried but that dosen't sound like Idrs Elba at all.
The Dark Tower :)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 26, 2016, 05:07:23 AM
Yeah, cant'imagine Bond going 'You Motherfucker....'
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on May 26, 2016, 06:22:34 AM
Well, if there's no problem with a black Bond, then there should be no issues with JANE BOND...

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/may/24/jane-bond-gillian-anderson-next-007-twitter

Very interesting....
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 26, 2016, 06:28:05 AM
That's different to having a British Bond who's got dark skin. He can still be a British male Secret Agent.

Making Bond female completely changes everything about the character and shouldn't be done just to be PC and progressive.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on May 26, 2016, 06:42:11 AM
James Bond is and should always be a man. This world is ridiculous. How about someone invent a new female spy character and make a movie about rather than trying to reinvent a franchise that's been established for 40 years?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 26, 2016, 07:16:09 AM
James Bond is and should always be a man. This world is ridiculous. How about someone invent a new female spy character and make a movie about rather than trying to reinvent a franchise that's been established for 40 years?

I agree. James Bond is a character with defined attributes after 40 years, one of those being that it's a dude (and possibly more controversial to say, but also white). Just because you could change it, doesn't mean you necessarily should. I think it would make a bigger statement for equality for a woman to establish their own franchise without needing to rely on an existing brand. Personally, I don't care if your lead is male or female, but I do care that James Bond is James f'ing Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on May 26, 2016, 07:58:35 AM
I think it's a bit silly to suggest that the only possible reason to pick a black actor to play Bond, would be as a 'token pc progressive' move.
What if there's a black actor who would just happen to be an excellent Bond?

If anyone thinks picking Idris Elba would be just a 'token' pick, they should go watch the show Luther. The main reason he should be in contention for the role is simply that he would be an awesome Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 26, 2016, 09:28:30 AM
The only reason Ghostbusters 3 is being made and not Melissa McCarthy stars in " Paranormal Investigators! " is that they can capitalise on the Ghostbusters brand name.

They know more people will go see Ghostbusters 3 than some random screwball comedy with 4 female leads.

And screaming sexism when nobody goes to see it is a HUGE straw man argument.



And i'm pretty sure they'd only make a female James Bond for the same reason. it would have heaps more exposure than say " Female Spy Movie ! ".

I say make the next Lara Croft a man and see how people react to that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Lynxo on May 27, 2016, 03:20:25 AM
The only reason Ghostbusters 3 is being made and not Melissa McCarthy stars in " Paranormal Investigators! " is that they can capitalise on the Ghostbusters brand name.

They know more people will go see Ghostbusters 3 than some random screwball comedy with 4 female leads.

And screaming sexism when nobody goes to see it is a HUGE straw man argument.



And i'm pretty sure they'd only make a female James Bond for the same reason. it would have heaps more exposure than say " Female Spy Movie ! ".

I say make the next Lara Croft a man and see how people react to that.
This is perhaps a different discussion but it's something that always bothers me when people talk about the new Ghostbusters: whether or not the new movie looks good or bad, I have absolutely no problem with an all female cast. I mean come one, how many Hollywood movies do we have made by men, with men, for men? If it takes capitalizing a known title to be able to get some well deserved female actors to actually star their own film, then so be it. Until Hollywood lets women direct and star movies in the same capacity as men, then fucking let them do this.

And that's just about the same reason I think it'd be awesome with an female Bond. Not to mention, I actually happen to think it would be an interesting shift and would make for some great storylines.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 03:32:18 AM
Yeah I'm not liking that idea at all. It's like making a movie about my life but casting a girl as me. I've got nothing against girls in general, but that would upset me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 09:07:34 AM
I wouldn't have a problem with this choice though. Not a perfect choice, but fix him up, put him in a tux and have him do cool shit and I guess I could see it happening.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/26/with-new-tv-and-film-projects-lined-up-daniel-craigs-future-as-james-bond-seems-unlikely (https://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/26/with-new-tv-and-film-projects-lined-up-daniel-craigs-future-as-james-bond-seems-unlikely)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 27, 2016, 09:25:34 AM
Looks a bit young to me, but I guess they could do worse.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on May 27, 2016, 11:06:17 AM
Until Hollywood lets women direct and star movies in the same capacity as men, then fucking let them do this.
And that's just about the same reason I think it'd be awesome with an female Bond. Not to mention, I actually happen to think it would be an interesting shift and would make for some great storylines.
As far as I know, no one is stopping them or disallowing that. Convince the studios to fund your movie and make it good, people will see it regardless of the genitals of the director. Equal opportunities != equal outcome. Not to mention that maybe, just maybe, women in general aren't as interested in pursuing that career choice so there will be less of them that are good enough. Think of how many male directors/writers there are and how many of them are actually good and well known. Hell, even Scorsece had tough time funding The Irishman. Just make new movies and stories, don't lazily try to reskin existing ones.

I would be more interested in seeing Anderson in a more serious spy movie, something like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I absolutely loved her in The Fall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 11:11:16 AM
Looks a bit young to me, but I guess they could do worse.

Yeah he's definetely on the younger side. But at least we know that James Bond was young at some point, so that's not really messing with the character as much as the other stuff being talked about.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 27, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
Looks a bit young to me, but I guess they could do worse.

Yeah he's definetely on the younger side. But at least we know that James Bond was young at some point, so that's not really messing with the character as much as the other stuff being talked about.

I agree, it wouldn't be a big deal to me like these other suggestions. I'm just used to the older, more experienced version of Bond.
Also, I don't know if they'll have the new Bond movie continue directly on from Craig in terms of storyline, or do a soft reboot by keeping all of the characters the same but not directly mentioning the events of the Craig movies, but if that's the case, it might make sense to have someone who's not too much younger. There's almost a 20 year gap between Craig and Bell.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on May 27, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
What if they make the new Bond set in the 70s/80s? Could be fun.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on May 27, 2016, 02:57:51 PM
The Tom Hiddleston rumors are really heating up. He is supposedly in advanced talks to become the next Bond. I'm certainly not buying it yet, but after watching The Night Manager, I think he would be an excellent choice.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 04:25:38 PM
I agree. That choice would make me happy.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 28, 2016, 10:57:04 AM
I think it's a bit silly to suggest that the only possible reason to pick a black actor to play Bond, would be as a 'token pc progressive' move.
What if there's a black actor who would just happen to be an excellent Bond?

If anyone thinks picking Idris Elba would be just a 'token' pick, they should go watch the show Luther. The main reason he should be in contention for the role is simply that he would be an awesome Bond.

The problem is that Bond is such a defined character that picking anything other than a white actor would turn the film(s) into a reimagining instead of continuation. I could see many people not considering them real Bond films and it wouldn't have anything to do with them being a bigot or not progress enough but due to the fact that a major part of an incredibly famous character has changed.

On a side note I do need to check out Luther as I've heard great things about it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on July 13, 2016, 03:42:15 PM
Hey if an all female Ghostbusters is ok then a black Bond is definitely ok.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 15, 2016, 06:53:55 AM
You should check out Luther. It's a great show.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2016, 06:55:18 AM
Hey if an all female Ghostbusters is ok then a black Bond is definitely ok.

But the all female Ghostbusters has definitely not been ok. :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
I just watched SPECTRE's opening credits with its originally intended song of the same name by Radiohead. Chilling and beautiful in my opinion. Despite it being darker than most james bond opening themes, I wish they would have kept it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on March 20, 2017, 09:39:36 AM
I'm at a point where I've had enough of Daniel Craig's Bond.   I love Casino Royale it's not just a great Bond film, it's a great film period.  But after that it's been lackluster - I don't love Skyfall as much and many do (a middling Bond film for me) and Quantum and Spectre I didn't really like much at all.

I guess the problem they have now is if they go for a new actor do they continue the Craig storylines or do another soft reboot.   I'd go for Dan Stevens personally.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 20, 2017, 09:45:13 AM
Dan Stevens is great, never really thought about him but yeah he could probably pull of Bond. Didn't even know he was british.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
I love DC as Bond, he's practically tied with Sean as the best IMO. I hope he does a couple more to finish off the Spectre/Blofeld story in the right way.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 12:09:49 PM
I'm sure once he's had time off from it and offered a fuck ton of cash he'll be back.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2017, 12:11:56 PM
The mayor of Dubrovnik, Croatia confirmed that Eon are in advanced negotiations to film the next one there. Same city that Game of Thrones uses for King's Landing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 12:14:20 PM
That means zilch to me since i've seen precisely 0 minutes of Game Of Thrones :D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2017, 12:17:21 PM
That means zilch to me since i've seen precisely 0 minutes of Game Of Thrones :D

Your life would be improved by watching it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 12:18:57 PM
Not from what i've heard.

" You should watch it ! its full of tits, fucking swearing and fighting "

 :|...yeah i'll pass...

I watched one episode of a BBC drama about Rome once and that's literally all it was. Fucking. Nudity. Swearing and Fighting.

They probably forgot to write a plot around it I expect. :hat
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
I love it cuz it's a well-made show with good writing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
 :biggrin: It may well be.

Truth is I am not a fan of serials. I never have been. At least whilst they're showing. My bro used to watch a lot of them and he hated having to wait a year or more to find out what happened...

...and then sometimes that never got answered... Endlessly frustrating. I don't have that kind of patience or....what you call it....

Attention......Nice day today. might go for a ride later.

:)


What were we talking about ?

James Bond ?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on March 20, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
I love Daniel Craig as Bond, but Casino Royale was easily the best one. Skyfall was okay. The other two, I'll probably never watch again.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 05:06:09 PM
I love Daniel Craig as Bond, but Casino Royale was easily the best one. Skyfall was okay. The other two, I'll probably never watch again.

One day I will get all 25 Bond Movies in a boxset. I need to re-watch OHMSS as 50% say it's dogshit and 50% say it's the best one :biggrin:

I've seen it once which is rare for me since I love Bond and have seen them all multiple times.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 20, 2017, 05:30:33 PM
OHMSS is kind of all over the place. The evil scheme is a dream mind control plot which is way out there and then you have bond running around in a kilt pretending to be someone else, even though blofeld should recognize him. Kojak blofeld by the way  :lol

BUT that god damn ending scene... holy shit  :hefdaddy   They had the balls to do what SPECTRE should have done. I mean, its on the damn poster and everything...

But ultimately, I like OHMSS. Its a cool, wildly different addition to the franchise
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 21, 2017, 04:07:16 AM
Yeah OHMSS is an oddball of a movie. But that ending kicks you in the nuts, Lazenby or not.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on March 21, 2017, 04:27:07 AM
Depict the fact it follows on it's somewhat jarring going from that ending of OHMSS to the uber camp start of Diamonds are Forever.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on March 21, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
People give Lazenby a lot of shit but I think he did a fine job considering this was his first acting role. Sure he was iffy at certain spots during the film but he absolutely nailed the ending scene in my opinion.

OHMSS is my personal favorite of the series.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on March 21, 2017, 10:03:20 AM
Dalton is my personal fav Bond actor.  The Living Daylights is a hugely underrated film (Licence to Kill isn't so good).

Never warmed to Brosnan.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 21, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
Goldeneye is my favorite and my first, so I have the brosnan bias. Didn't see anything from Dalton until way later down the line, but I love his work.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
GoldenEye is great but then every other Brosnan movie was tripe. Such a shame as he was a really good Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 21, 2017, 12:14:40 PM
I found World is not enough to be lackluster and kinda boring, Die another day to be out there and unbelievable/goofy and tomorrow never dies is a guilty pleasure.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
GoldenEye and Daniel Craig's Casino Royale both had the same director.

He should be bought back for the next one. He seems to have a knack of "saving" Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 21, 2017, 12:32:09 PM
I agree that Pierce's other 3 movies never matched the greatness of GoldenEye, but I do have a soft spot for TWINE. Has a bunch of great memories for me, example being the first Bond movie I saw in the theater when I was 10.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 02:34:52 PM
Connery. nuff said.

I actually liked Craig as Bond. But if he has had enough then so be it.

My wish, next Bond Idris Elba
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 02:56:08 PM
I'd love Idris Elba as Bond.

Worst thing they could do is a female Bond JUST BECAUSE.

I hope they don't. Make your own female spy character if you MUST.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:06:35 PM
Idris would rule as the next Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Adami on March 21, 2017, 03:10:51 PM
Obviously the next Bond should be Nick Frost.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:11:53 PM
Obviously the next Bond should be Nick Frost.

I. Am Bond..James Bond...to You...Licence to Kill in fact.


And who the fuck are you maaaaayt ?


(https://images.contactmusic.com/newsimages/nick_frost_1232614.jpg)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Adami on March 21, 2017, 03:12:59 PM
Kotowboy, an accurate representation of all British people is sold on Nick Frost.

Let's make this happen.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:17:07 PM
Nick Frost as Bond. Simon Pegg as Q
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:25:06 PM
lol. in a fucked up way that could be hilarious
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
Edgar Wright's next film is a crime comedy about a getaway driver. That could be the closest to Bond that Edgar does.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:26:38 PM
add james franco and seth rogan as pot smugglers that bond is trying to catch. moneymaker
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:28:46 PM
Oh God No.

Fuck no.

I hate those two and their style of American druggie toilet humour.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:30:42 PM
lol hear ya. Helen Mirren topless then as the next bond girl :yarr
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:33:10 PM
She's 70


Are you Wayne Rooney ?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:34:59 PM
lol dude.  had a feeling you would bite at that with rooney :rollin
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:36:35 PM
then again its rooney :laugh:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:41:05 PM
I am more of a zlatan fan than rooney ::)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:42:57 PM
There's few things I abhor more than Football.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:49:07 PM
awe come on dude. football/soccer rules. especially with Helen Mirren in shorts :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:51:09 PM
:lol I really really really don't understand the global obsession of it.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:54:27 PM
I grew up on it here in the states, lived in a town known as soccer USA. played with several guys that made the national team, and I came close. but I can understand your point. football in your country is die hard. here in the states not quite there yet. but hellen Mirren still has nice tits.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:55:52 PM
although my 11 year old son says emma Watson is hot
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
smart kid if I may say
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
I digress, this topic went sideways. back to your regularly scheduled programming
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 04:05:34 PM
I couldn't possibly rank all 25 Bond Movies.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 04:58:13 PM
agree. each one has its own identity.  I am partial to the Connery ones, but I grew up on them. lol. kinda like Godzilla 60's and early 70's movies.  yeah im 50. all I will say is enjoy what you like, makes the world more interesting
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:04:11 PM
I liked Roger Moore's more comic movies. They've pretty much abandoned all the tongue in cheek stuff with the Daniel Craig ones.


Probably due to Die Another Day being so silly.


But even Connery's movies had slapstick and one liners.


I'm a bit bored of " grounded, realistic, gritty " movies at the moment. I blame The Dark Knight.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 05:12:55 PM
valid point. Early/most Bond movies up till the Craig era had, lets say one liners, poking fun etc. every bond movie doesn't need to be an explosion fest.  don't get me wrong. Bond films are built on unrealistic scenes. but to me that is what makes a Bond film a bit. UNTIL....................... they go really nuts. its a fine line. keep it Bond or Become Jason Bourne or Pussy Cruise mission Impossibles
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:27:49 PM
Pussy Cruise ?

I'm not into those films but the guy voluntarily strapped himself to the outside of a plane as it took off.

That's like the least "pussy" thing i've ever seen.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on March 21, 2017, 05:58:27 PM
Pussy Cruise ?

I'm not into those films but the guy voluntarily strapped himself to the outside of a plane as it took off.

That's like the least "pussy" thing i've ever seen.
He also trained himself to hold his breath under water for a pretty ridiculous amount of time for another scene. He's out of his mind, but he puts in serious work for his stunts.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 06:02:46 PM
He had to wear contacts and have a perspex shield on him on the plane because at those speeds - if anything hits him in the face - it's bad news.

He filmed 12 takes of it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 21, 2017, 08:28:18 PM
Since I worked for a cruise line, my mind initially went in a different direction when I read "Pussy Cruise," which sounds like just about the greatest thing ever.

I don't dislike Connery's Bond, but I don't revere it either. I have always been more partial to the later Connery roles regardless. He played the elder badass better than anyone.

Moore was my first Bond, so I have a soft spot for his, for the most part.

I saw OHMSS but could barely tell you anything about it but the ending, it made such little impression on me.

Dalton's films seem like second rate 80s action films these days.

I really enjoy Brosnan's films. Cheese, plot holes, whatever, they are fun and enjoyable.

Craig's films have ranged from great to excellent. I am curious to see what his career is like post-Bond.

I don't particularly care who the next Bond is, or even if they make more with another actor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 30, 2017, 11:21:20 AM
I never knew she was a man.


(https://www.universalexports.net/Graphics/tula/for-your-eyes-only-bond-girls.jpg)



And apparently Charles Dance is in For your eyes only as well. Fantastic, can't believe I never noticed
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on June 05, 2017, 02:23:55 AM
I couldn't possibly rank all 25 Bond Movies.

Ok here we go...

Tier A - The greats.

Casino Royale.
The Living Daylights (Yeah totally).
From Russia with Love.
The Spy Who Loved Me.

Tier B - Good.

Goldfinger.
Goldeneye.
For Your Eyes Only.
Skyfall.
Live and Let Die.
Tomorrow Never Dies.

Tier C - Flawed, but generally fun.

Live and Let Die.
Licence to Kill.
Moonraker.
You Only Life Twice.
A View to a Kill.

Tier D - Meh.

Octopussy.
On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Spectre.
Dr No.
Die Another Day.
Thunderball.

Tier E - Crap.

The World in not Enough.
Diamonds are Forever.
The Man with the Golden Gun.
Quantum of Solace.

Actors :

1. Dalton.
2. Connery.
3. Moore.
4. Craig.
5. Lazenby.
6. Brosnan.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2017, 04:55:58 AM
Brosnan was a great Bond but got shafted with shit scripts. Other than Goldneye - his films were poor.

I can't decide on a ranking. Too many films and not a good enough memory of them all.

Top 2 : Goldeneye and Casino Royale ( Craig ).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on June 05, 2017, 05:46:43 AM
Brosnan was a great Bond but got shafted with shit scripts. Other than Goldneye - his films were poor.


I don't hate him.  He's simply my least fav simply because he's an amalgamation of the actors who took the role before him, there is very little unique either personality or trait wise that defined his Bond.
I personally think they got the actors the wrong way round in Goldeneye - Bean Bond, Brosnan Trevelyan.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2017, 05:57:33 AM
Brosnan had the perfect face for Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 12, 2017, 06:08:50 PM
If I had to rank Brosnan:

1. Goldeneye - awesome movie. And my favorite Bond film
2. Tomorrow never dies- A little wacky by highly entertaining
3. The world is not enough- overall just kind of bland imo, but not really offensive in any way
4. Die another day - makes baby jesus cry
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 12, 2017, 10:30:32 PM
Gonna go ahead and agree with that entirely, although I've never actually bothered to watch Die Another Day.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 12, 2017, 10:32:12 PM
GoldenEye
The World Is Not Enough
Tomorrow Never Dies
Die Another Day
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 12, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
Coincidentally, if I were to rank the Brosnan movies by theme song, it would match my ranking by movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 13, 2017, 10:35:53 AM
Coincidentally, if I were to rank the Brosnan movies by theme song, it would match my ranking my ranking by movie.

Same here, actually lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on August 17, 2017, 05:27:12 PM
Daniel Craig has confirmed that he will return.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 17, 2017, 05:43:35 PM
Daniel Craig has confirmed that he will return.

I am ready for more James bond

If he were to do just one more, then I would be cool with that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 17, 2017, 07:20:53 PM
Daniel Craig has confirmed that he will return.

I am ready for more James bond

If he were to do just one more, then I would be cool with that.

The next one will indeed be his final.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: SystematicThought on August 17, 2017, 10:17:30 PM
If I had to rank Brosnan:

1. Goldeneye - awesome movie. And my favorite Bond film
2. Tomorrow never dies- A little wacky by highly entertaining
3. The world is not enough- overall just kind of bland imo, but not really offensive in any way
4. Die another day - makes baby jesus cry
I'll take the video game Everything or Nothing over Die Another Day

(Actually, if that game was a movie, it would rank second or third for me  :lol)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 17, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Glad Craig is back. I really like him as Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 17, 2017, 11:45:51 PM
I wish he'd finished with the last one. It was a good sendoff before the usual soft-reboot with a new Bond, and I'd rather not have someone who doesn't seem into it any more. That and the fact I still don't like him as Bond, despite enjoying all of the new films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on August 18, 2017, 11:50:29 AM
He said he made a mistake when he said he would never do another Bond movie.

If people recall he said it was over the top grinding.

It is cool he explained himself. He said this will be the last. I actually think it is fitting, then reboot in a few year with Idris Elba as the next BOND.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2017, 09:27:07 AM
I hope he goes out on a high note.  There was so much leading up to Spectre, and it was made even more disappointing by the fact that Skyfall was so amazing, and made the whole Craig-era story arc seem like it was going somewhere even bigger and better.   And even though Waltz did such a great job for his part playing Blofeld, I think the script really undermined the character...and Waltz's performance. 

When writing Blofeld....THE Bond nemesis...you probably better go out of your way to make sure he's the best villain in the series.   Instead, he was completely outshined in every possible way by the previous villain, Silva.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on August 19, 2017, 12:54:30 PM
That sums up my feeling of Spectre well. Great, enjoyable movie, solid Bond film, but a bit of a drop off after Skyfall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on August 19, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
They really dropped the ball with Spectre. If you're going to cast a great actor like Waltz to play the villain, take advantage of it. They didn't. It was all extremely forgettable.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 19, 2017, 06:56:48 PM
I thought SPECTRE was awful. It just felt so straitforward and bland, and oh my god. How do you cast Waltz who is an excellent actor and then proceed to make me bored and underwhelmed by his character. It was also very visually underwhelming as well. Just very dull all around.

And I'm sorry but making them being brothers is retarded. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea? They literally did that in Austin powers 3 FFS, and it was dumb then.

Also, on a personal note, Radiohead's song SPECTRE was supposed to be the original theme song. I really love that song and was very disappointed and it was swapped for Writing on the wall.

The only part of the film I like was the cool tracking shot at the beginning during the Day of the Dead, and then it just went downhill from there.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 20, 2017, 01:52:15 AM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 20, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on August 21, 2017, 09:26:18 AM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.

Olga.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 21, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.

Olga.

Not an unattractive women, but pales in comparison to Severine or Swann
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on August 21, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.

Olga.
This is a valid answer.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Podaar on August 23, 2017, 07:28:44 AM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.

Olga.

Gemma, too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 15, 2018, 02:52:34 PM
Danny boyle to direct the next bond film

https://www.gq.com/story/danny-boyle-confirms-he-will-direct-the-next-james-bond-movie

I'm down
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 15, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Danny boyle to direct the next bond film

https://www.gq.com/story/danny-boyle-confirms-he-will-direct-the-next-james-bond-movie

I'm down

I also approve of this...he's having John Hodge write the script too....we get some new blood!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 15, 2018, 04:41:52 PM
Doesn't sound familiar.... goes to the Google. Seen 127 Hours, that's it. This doesn't move the needle for me but I am happy that others are finding it exciting news.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 15, 2018, 06:17:38 PM
I like him since he made 28 days later, trainspotting and sunshine, but I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic.

Sam Mendes did American beauty (which is one of my favorite movies ever) and I really didn't like spectre and wasn't huge on Skyfall. So we'll see.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 02, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Watching Goldeneye on AMC. It’s funny how bad this movie has aged in comparison to the other Brosnan movies. Tomorrow Never Dies looks like it could have been made around the same time as Casino Royale.

Goldeneye is still a good movie, even if it now looks like it was made in the 70’s
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on June 02, 2018, 01:10:28 PM
Agreed with all except I would change the 70s to the 90s. I love Sean Bean. Have since Patriot Games.

The first Bond film with a new actor presents a challenge. You have to make it special and unique, and highlight the new Bond and new era, but you need to remain true to the Bond franchise. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 02, 2018, 01:13:49 PM
I say it looks like it was made in the 70’s because there are some bad editing choices that makes it feel dated  :lol

I’m also curious who the DP was...because Campbell went on to direct Mask of Zorro not too long afterwards, and it’s still a good looking movie.

Speaking of Zorro...Catherine Zeta Jones...how in the hell was she never a bond girl??  :heart
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 02, 2018, 01:55:52 PM
In the news, Danny Boyle (28 Days Later, 127 Hours, Slumdog Millionaire) was confirmed to be the director for Bond 25, based on an original screenplay by his longtime collaborator John Hodge. There’s also rumors of the main villain being a female.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on June 02, 2018, 06:19:25 PM
I heard the next Bond is slated for late 2019, I hope that's still possible. I adore the Daniel Craig era of Bond and think it's the best (even with Quantum of Solace). Might have to do a marathon of his movies leading up to this new one.

GoldenEye was one of my favorites for a long time but yeah, I recently saw it again and it's really not aging gracefully. I still really like it, but it looks absolutely ancient compared with what came after the Brosnan era.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 02, 2018, 06:54:08 PM
Goldeneye is my favorite bond film and one of my top favorite films every period.

I love it today as much as I loved it in 95. Sean Bean makes an awesome villain, Pierce is cool and sleek and the soundtrack is awesome. Its a movie I can watch countless times.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 02, 2018, 07:40:25 PM
Goldeneye is my first Bond movie, and i still like it. The whole spy vs spy element really works, and Sean Bean is awesome, as always. I’m pretty sure Famke Janssen escalated my puberty back then :lol

Watched all the Brosnan movies and now on to Die Another Day. Pierce is bittersweet for me. It's like EON found the perfect actor to bridge the gap between Connery's suaveness and Moore's humor.  But they couldn't figure out how to make that work on paper, which is why all his scripts after Goldeneye suck ass.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 03, 2018, 06:58:01 AM
Saw Spectre a few days ago. Visually and technically its one of the best movies I've seen, but unfortunately the plot (or perhaps rather the execution of the plot) is actually pretty thin, which was quite the disappointment.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 03, 2018, 07:01:54 AM
I had high hopes for SPECTRE, but was crazy bored. And I don't know what the hell happened with Waltz, but he was boring and lackluster. Which is a shame, since I typically love his work.



Spoilers, I guess.



And making them brothers is the dumbest shit ever. When you are ripping off Austin Powers, then its time to re-evaluate.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on June 03, 2018, 10:20:30 AM
Yeah that part of Spectre still bugs the hell out of me. Otherwise I actually enjoyed it a lot, but it definitely wasn't better than Skyfall, which has been my favorite Bond film since I saw it in theaters. What an awesome movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 04:29:28 AM
So, I decided it was no longer acceptable that I belonged to the list of people that never ever saw a James Bond movie, and I joined the fray.

Fearing that I should have seen those movies 30 years ago, I skipped the Connery movies, and started with the current Bond, and so I watched Casino Royale.

It was good, I guess. I was not completely floored, but  I didn't regret watching either. The plot was kinda of a mess and the pacing at the end was weird, but all in all it was enjoyable. I've read comments that this was more grounded and that Bond did away with fancy and cartoonish gadgets from past movies, making the movie more realistic.... it probably is, but I'd hardly call realistic a movie where you see fights all over an african construction site and embassy, an airport where a bus with a bomb is heading towards a plane AND a sinking palace in Venice  :lol

Daniel Craig works as Bond, sure I never saw the other ones so I can't really compare. Are the following movies more or less like this? as I said I kinda enjoyed this and I didn't regret watching it, but should Casino Royal be the best of the Craig movies, I'll probably make a low priority to watch the other ones.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 16, 2018, 06:22:47 AM
If Casino Royale didn't get you excited to see more Bond stories, it probably isn't for you.

I think Bond films might be a generational thing. You almost need the backdrop of the cold war in your real life to provide tension for the escapism that is Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 06:49:07 AM
Well, I did like it and I wouldn't mind going on, especially since I have no movies left to see on my list. It's just that I don't have that "OMG what have I missed my whole life" feeling, that's all.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 16, 2018, 09:33:55 AM
So, I decided it was no longer acceptable that I belonged to the list of people that never ever saw a James Bond movie, and I joined the fray.

Fearing that I should have seen those movies 30 years ago, I skipped the Connery movies, and started with the current Bond, and so I watched Casino Royale.

It was good, I guess. I was not completely floored, but  I didn't regret watching either. The plot was kinda of a mess and the pacing at the end was weird, but all in all it was enjoyable. I've read comments that this was more grounded and that Bond did away with fancy and cartoonish gadgets from past movies, making the movie more realistic.... it probably is, but I'd hardly call realistic a movie where you see fights all over an african construction site and embassy, an airport where a bus with a bomb is heading towards a plane AND a sinking palace in Venice  :lol

Daniel Craig works as Bond, sure I never saw the other ones so I can't really compare. Are the following movies more or less like this? as I said I kinda enjoyed this and I didn't regret watching it, but should Casino Royal be the best of the Craig movies, I'll probably make a low priority to watch the other ones.

I would say that Casino royale is probably the most grounded in reality. The others range from absolute wacky madness (Die another day, moonraker) to more straitforward (The living daylights, goldeneye). and then its all over the place in the middle.

I would recommend goldeneye and then see what you think and go from there. Each bond movie kind of does its own thing, so if you don't like one, then there's plenty of others to check out.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on June 16, 2018, 09:39:37 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

IMO Craig has proven himself to be the best Bond, he is definitely my favorite.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 09:52:01 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 16, 2018, 09:55:05 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

There might be some passing mention of the girl from QoS, but it's not necessary to watch it beforehand.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 16, 2018, 10:14:04 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

I'm the opposite. I really liked Quantum, but really didn't like SPECTRE.

Skyfall was pretty good though. As far as continuity is concerned, nothing really matters honestly. They were trying to have one long overarching storyline from Royale up through SPECTRE, but its more of a vague mess more than anything. So I would say, watch whichever one you want.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 16, 2018, 10:38:55 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

Craig's films are the only ones that have an ongoing story throughout them. Connery's are loosely connected by SPECTRE but Craig's have a tighter thing going on.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on June 16, 2018, 10:51:24 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

I'm the opposite. I really liked Quantum, but really didn't like SPECTRE.

Skyfall was pretty good though. As far as continuity is concerned, nothing really matters honestly. They were trying to have one long overarching storyline from Royale up through SPECTRE, but its more of a vague mess more than anything. So I would say, watch whichever one you want.

I agree 100% with this. There is a connection, but honestly... it doesn't matter much. 'Mess' is definitely the correct way to describe it.

Quantum is a weird one for me. I watched it twice in theaters, and initially really liked it, but when I bought it later and watched it at home I really didn't enjoy it apart from the action scenes. I don't think it's bad like some do, but it's definitely my least favorite of the newer ones. It and Spectre seem to be the less well received of the bunch for sure.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 11:40:52 AM
The completist in me makes me wanna go on. I'll watch Quantum of Solace already accepting it might suck, if it won't, all for the better  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 16, 2018, 11:45:54 AM
The completist in me makes me wanna go on. I'll watch Quantum of Solace already accepting it might suck, if it won't, all for the better  :biggrin:

I've been a die hard Bond fan my whole life, and Quantum is near the bottom, if not at the bottom for me. Such a mess of a movie. I think the editor was suffering seizures throughout the whole thing  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 17, 2018, 01:52:52 AM
My issue with Quantum isn’t that it’s necessarily ”bad”, there’s nothing in there that offends me. I just think that it’s a bit unambitious, not very memorable. I’d say Spectre makes more choices that straight up misfired, but it’s so much more ambitious (both from a storytelling and technical perspective) that it makes up for it a bit.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 17, 2018, 03:06:19 AM
Well, I've seen it, it wasn't half as bad as I expected, also the shorter running time helped.

What it is with Bond directors and wanton destruction all across Italy, however?  :lol first a fight in a sinking venetian palace, and then a chase across the roofs of Siena and breaking into old houses and churches. It feels like there has to be some mandatory chase / fight scenes and they write the plot around those stop points, dehe.

Still, it wasn't wasted time watching it. If the next two are better I can only be optimistic about going on!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 17, 2018, 04:16:19 AM
While I usually have a difficult time choising a favorite between Casino Royale and Skyfall, I must say that the latter is stylistically far superior to the point of it being a valid argument in its favor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 17, 2018, 09:43:40 AM
I love Bardem in Skyfall. That's really my favorite part. Beside that, I am not too huge on Skyfall, but stylistically It is certainly beautiful to look at. In contrast, Spectre is also nice to look at but Waltz's performance put me to sleep faster than Ambien. (and that's coming from someone who loves Waltz). Quantum is a dumb, fun, fast frenzy of a movie and I enjoy it as a guilty pleasure. And royale is pretty much solid all around for me.

Now besides Craig, if I were to recommend bond movies to myself I would recommend:

Goldeneye (My favorite)
Tomorrow never dies (dumb and highly entertaining)

The living daylights (I just like Dalton)

A view to a kill (not a great movie, but Walken is awesome)
Moonraker (Incredibly dumb and over the top, but a huge guilty pleasure. Jaws is hilarious in this one)
The spy who loved me (Basically Moonraker, if it took itself more seriously)

From Russia with love (solid all around)

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 17, 2018, 10:05:17 AM
Skyfall is the polar opposite of Quantum in terms of cinematography/feel. Beautiful film
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 17, 2018, 01:16:11 PM
Although that opening car chase in Quantum was beautiful. Wondered if all the budget for the camera depertment went to that shot. DP was probably like “I’m gonna shoot the shit out of that scene then take a nap for the rest of production.”
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Grappler on June 17, 2018, 07:25:14 PM
I don't think Bond movies are about the story or plot at all. It's about BOND.  The guy that can do anything - he can fly a plane, then jump out of the plane on skis and ski down the mountain in an avalance while shooting bad guys, then gets the girl when he's done.  When you stop worrying about the plot and just enjoy it for what it is, the movies are great.  I've binged about 15-20 of the movies in the last year, so they all blend together for me.  But the Daniel Craig ones are probably my favorites, followed by Brosnan, then Roger Moore. 

So just sit back and enjoy watching insanely awesome and ridiculous action sequences.   :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 17, 2018, 08:02:09 PM

  When you stop worrying about the plot and just enjoy it for what it is, the movies are great. 

So just sit back and enjoy watching insanely awesome and ridiculous action sequences.   :metal

Absolutely this
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on June 18, 2018, 06:35:41 PM
That's not true and a lame stance to take. Sorry guys, not to rant here. All the good Bond films have a plot, and usually a well-written and constructed one. I don't want to watch a movie and "worry" about the plot. I want to enjoy the plot. I want it to enhance the experience. I want it to be part of the entertainment. If the plot is problematic, the movie is not going to entertain me. Not every movie needs to be cerebral, but it doesn't need to be a vapid Michael Bay explosionfest either.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2018, 04:07:24 PM
Watched Skyfall. Damn, it kicked ass!

It still had the same beats of the previous one - opening with a chase / fight scene, pause for plot, moar chases and fight scenes, Bond bangs a girl that dies (seriously, don't sleep with Bond, girls), more plot, more action and the climax. But this time for whatever reason - the plot itself maybe, or just the cinematography as fadetoblackdude mention - it just worked. Brilliant movie through and through and so far the best of the Craig ones.

Oh, and I guess Javier Bardem thought that one creepy villain with an absolutely hideous haircut wasn't enough in his carrer.

(Also having Voldemort there makes difficult to trust him, until he was shot I thought that he could have been a bad guy)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 16, 2018, 04:29:52 AM
Aaaand I watched also Spectre, finally catching up with the Craig movies.

This one was as good as Skyfall, if not better! it's like they are a band that has the same style, and some album comes out better than the others.... Skyfall nd Spectre are for me way above Casinò Royale and Quantum of Solace, especially the initial sequence of Spectre with the long continuous shot from the Dias de Los Muertos celebrations to the rooftoop where Bond stalks the villains is awesome.

Also the general story of the movie is captivating, and am I the only one at the meeting with M and C who thought "Damn, James Bond is in the same room with Lord Voldemort and Moriarty?"  ;D

Anyway, if they can keep up with the quality of Skyfall and Spectre (wonderful title song also, Writing on the Wall), I look very forward to the next Bond movie!

EDIT: I've noticed that both these movies (Skyfall and Spectre) were directed by the same guy, Sam Mendes. Guess he has part of the merit as well, I should check which other movies he did.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 16, 2018, 06:32:27 AM
I am glad you are enjoying the films. I love James bond.

And I agree, that day of the dead opening is incredible
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 16, 2018, 07:27:40 AM
Interesting that you enjoyed Spectre as much as you did. I do too, but it’s generally received negatively in the fan base due to the weaker script. Are you gonna watch the rest of the series? It’s a hell of a trip!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 16, 2018, 09:28:19 AM
It took me forever to watch even the most current ones, someday down the line I consider watching them but not anytime soon.

And how can a script with "fist fight on board of a spinning helicopter hovering above a crowded square" be weak?  :lol

(More seriously, the story is what it is, I didn't find it particularly bad or weak, it was in line with the other movies)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 16, 2018, 10:06:13 AM
It was what they did with Blofeld and Spectre in general that was weak. They kind of did it half assed. Wasn’t developed well enough.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 25, 2018, 04:14:41 AM
Danny boyle has quit from directing the new bond film

https://news.sky.com/story/new-james-bond-movie-delayed-after-director-danny-boyle-quits-11481157
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 25, 2018, 08:27:24 AM
Danny boyle has quit from directing the new bond film

https://news.sky.com/story/new-james-bond-movie-delayed-after-director-danny-boyle-quits-11481157

Yeah that shits crazy. If they keep Hodge’s script, hopefully they can find a replacement quick enough that they don’t have to miss a beat and still make the deadline.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 25, 2018, 08:34:34 AM
Well, hopefully they can find someone soon who can make the film the best it can be... Feels like forever between Bond films, so a delay isn't going to help.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 18, 2018, 05:12:02 PM
Skyfall is not my favorite bond film, but I think it might have my favorite moment in the entire series.

When silva has him in the chair and he's trying to rattle him by flirting with him and without missing a beat, craig is like "who said its my first time". What a come back, :clap:  bravo sir
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Polarbear on September 21, 2018, 07:50:48 AM
It looks like Cary Fukunaga is directing the next bond film.

Really weird choice. He made Beast of No Nation, and directed/ produced some episodes of True Detective.

I'm pretty interested to see the direction he's taking Bond!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Polarbear on September 21, 2018, 07:52:22 AM
Double post.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 21, 2018, 09:28:35 AM
I’m not familiar with any of his work, but people on the James Bond forum that I stalk say that he is definitely the right choice without a doubt. So fingers crossed!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on September 21, 2018, 09:32:51 AM
Skyfall is not my favorite bond film, but I think it might have my favorite moment in the entire series.

When silva has him in the chair and he's trying to rattle him by flirting with him and without missing a beat, craig is like "who said its my first time". What a come back, :clap:  bravo sir

I love that line. Made me smile in the theater. So good.

Great to hear they have someone for the film. Never heard of him, will have to look up his work and put my faith in him.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volante99 on September 25, 2018, 10:49:36 PM
Unpopular opinion:

I don’t understand the love Skyfall gets. It doesn’t feel like a Bond movie at all. It’s too personal, I never really wanted to visit Bond’s childhood home, or watch some weird M revenge movie.

There are just lots of cringe-moments too. Bond sneaking into the shower of someone he learned in the previous scene had been sex trafficked. Yes, Bond has always been a dog but coome on. I also couldn’t stop giggling when someone in the movie said a line like “James hid in that hole and when he came out he wasn’t a boy anymore”.
 
Also the CGI Komodo dragons. Also the Javier Bardem CGI face. Shudder.

I could forgive all this and call it an “okay” Bond, but it’s nowhere near the top for me.
 

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on September 26, 2018, 06:26:20 AM
I always feel that Spectre was unfairly bashed. Sure It wasn't as great as Skyfall but it wasn't bad or anything. It's like Bond movies arent allowed to be just good anymore. It seems they're either seen as great or crap. Spectre was a lot of fun and was more like an older Bond movie.......which some people said is a bad thing for some reason.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 26, 2018, 09:19:03 AM
Unpopular opinion:

I don’t understand the love Skyfall gets. It doesn’t feel like a Bond movie at all. It’s too personal, I never really wanted to visit Bond’s childhood home, or watch some weird M revenge movie.

There are just lots of cringe-moments too. Bond sneaking into the shower of someone he learned in the previous scene had been sex trafficked. Yes, Bond has always been a dog but coome on. I also couldn’t stop giggling when someone in the movie said a line like “James hid in that hole and when he came out he wasn’t a boy anymore”.
 
Also the CGI Komodo dragons. Also the Javier Bardem CGI face. Shudder.

I could forgive all this and call it an “okay” Bond, but it’s nowhere near the top for me.

I think it’s as beloved as it is because of the acting, cinematography, and how overall stylish it is. And yes, it has a simple story but it was executed really well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 01, 2019, 04:19:35 AM
First official image:

(https://i.redd.it/mmk71cerwl731.jpg)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 01, 2019, 04:29:02 AM
Looks cool and suave and british AF.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 01, 2019, 05:09:28 AM
Hopefully he goes out on a high note.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 01, 2019, 08:20:29 PM
I’ve been following every step and reveal on the mi6community forums and it looks promising. Here’s the first official vlog of production in Jamaica:

https://youtu.be/NQkO0Shirl8
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 01, 2019, 08:40:27 PM
Awww yeah. Fire up the Bond hype machine once again!!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on July 01, 2019, 08:44:43 PM
Wait....Craig again?  I guess I missed it.  I thought he was done with his contract and said he'd rather stab himself with fork than do another Bond film?   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 02, 2019, 02:27:35 AM
Wait....Craig again?  I guess I missed it.  I thought he was done with his contract and said he'd rather stab himself with fork than do another Bond film?
Yea I remember him saying that, I think that was during the shoot of the previous Bond movie. He signed up for one last movie eventually though. I think this is officially his last Bond movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on July 03, 2019, 11:08:56 PM
Beyond even that, I could have sworn that Ion had even spent a very long time shopping new blood.   Between those two facts (Ion shopping and Craig being so sure about not wanting to do it again) I'm a little shocked. 

And to add a third fact to the surprise....Spectre didn't perform to expectations.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 04, 2019, 10:05:23 AM
Well, Craig said he was returning back in 2017, so it's been out there for a while.

My takeaway from his comments about returning - which were made while promoting Spectre - were that he was felt burnt out from the role and was exhausted after finishing Spectre. The films have turned into such massive spectacles that I imagine filming them as Bond is extremely taxing. He's got a very blunt way of speaking and when he made comments like "I'd rather slash my wrists" that just makes me think he wanted a break before even thinking about returning (so he got a couple years out of it, at least).

Since this apparently will be the last Craig film, I hope they wrap his story nicely. Very curious what the title will be.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 04, 2019, 12:00:27 PM
The title will be revealed soon, probably with the first teaser. I’m excited as hell for Rami Malek being the main villain. He’s gonna steal the whole film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 05, 2019, 07:45:37 AM
As far as the next Bond goes, I wouldn't mind henry cavil or Idris Elba
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on July 05, 2019, 07:56:18 AM
I wouldn't mind Jim Carrey's Ace Ventura character to play the next Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Polarbear on July 05, 2019, 08:19:21 AM
Placing my bet for Tom Hiddleston as next bond!

And I'm pretty excited for Craig's last bond film! Hopefully he gives it all he's got, and doesn't mail it in..
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 05, 2019, 08:50:54 AM
Placing my bet for Tom Hiddleston as next bond!

He would be perfect!

Rob Madden didn't do so bad in Bodyguard, another English based thriller. He would be good potentially. But Tom Hiddleston would rule.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 06, 2019, 10:05:43 AM
All of my money is on a relatively-unknown actor to be the next Bond. Someone most people have never even heard of.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 06, 2019, 10:09:42 AM
An unknown actor would be pretty cool. Since Craig is my favorite, I'm obviously nervous about who has to take his place.

Also, favorite Bond song? Skyfall is it for me. But there's also a great dubstep remix of it that makes it even better, for real.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 06, 2019, 10:52:53 AM
An unknown actor would be pretty cool. Since Craig is my favorite, I'm obviously nervous about who has to take his place.

Also, favorite Bond song? Skyfall is it for me. But there's also a great dubstep remix of it that makes it even better, for real.

Favorite bond songs in no particular order:

1. Skyfall
2. Goldeneye
3. A view to a kill
4. License to kill
5. Radiohead: Spectre (Which was changed to writing on the wall at the last min)
6. Goldfinger
7. Diamonds are forever
8. Majestys secret service
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on July 12, 2019, 02:50:59 AM
Dan Stevens for the next Bond please.

Spectre is a really odd film.  They went big with the whole Blofeld story and making it personally to Bond.........then they phoned the whole thing in.   At points the movie looks like it's set after the Thanos snap, where half the population has been wiped out - witness the (extremely boring) car chase, and the really odd train fight...where no else is around!   It's a bit of a dud really, not Quantum of Solace levels of awful, but down near the bottom tier. 

It all started so well for Craig as well.  Casino Royale isn't just a great Bond film, it's a great film period, but with the last 3 Mission Impossible movies being amazing, and the crazy John Wick franchise it feels Bond really needs to up it's game.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 12, 2019, 04:13:25 PM
Dan Stevens for the next Bond please.

Spectre is a really odd film.  They went big with the whole Blofeld story and making it personally to Bond.........then they phoned the whole thing in.   At points the movie looks like it's set after the Thanos snap, where half the population has been wiped out - witness the (extremely boring) car chase, and the really odd train fight...where no else is around!   It's a bit of a dud really, not Quantum of Solace levels of awful, but down near the bottom tier. 


Totally agree about Spectre.

I was so ready to love that movie, but it was sooo strait forward. Dull and boring car chase. Plot that drags. Christopher Waltz being underwhelming somehow?? What the hell

And they are adopted brothers??? I seriously spit out my drink when I saw that reveal. What is this, Austin Powers Goldmember??

I liked Mr Jinx, and thought he had potential, but he wasn't fleshed out at all. He was just some guy causing problems.

And blofeld didn't murder his girl, despite having this cock tease of a poster, which made me think of On her majesty's secret service

(http://news.doddleme.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/spectre-logo-300x200.jpg)


I did like the opening Day of the dead scene though, but that's about it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 12, 2019, 05:15:53 PM
What's wrong with the reveal about him being Bond's half-brother? I liked that a lot... Bond has been parodied and an inspiration for spy films and parodies like AP for many decades. Just 'cause Goldmember did that doesn't take away from Spectre's plot (and the overarching plot about Blofeld being behind the previous films too). Just my two cents.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 12, 2019, 05:29:55 PM
Because its contrived writing and unbelievable

The madman master conspirator of the world's most dangerous terrorist organization just happens to be step brothers with the worlds greatest spy?

Sorry, I'm not buying it
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 12, 2019, 05:31:33 PM
I mean you can phrase a lot of things in ways to make them sound unbelievable but I thought it was well done.. huh. Tastes!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on July 12, 2019, 09:46:00 PM
I liked Mr Jinx, and thought he had potential, but he wasn't fleshed out at all. He was just some guy causing problems.

Doesn't every Bond film have this character?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 13, 2019, 12:00:18 AM
I liked Mr Jinx, and thought he had potential, but he wasn't fleshed out at all. He was just some guy causing problems.

Doesn't every Bond film have this character?  :biggrin:

Yeah, that's true. Lol

In other news, apparently Waltz is coming back.

http://collider.com/bond-25-blofeld-return-christoph-waltz/
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 15, 2019, 08:24:23 AM
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While Daniel Craig is set to reprise his role as James Bond in the next film, the franchise is set for a shake-up, with reports claiming that black British actor Lashana Lynch has been cast as 007 – taking over Bond’s secret agent number after his character leaves M16.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/15/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-daniel-craig
Have no idea if this is legit. I saw that she plays a character named Nomi in Bond 25.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on July 15, 2019, 08:43:25 AM
How woke of MI6.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 15, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
So, I want to watch a 007 movie because 007 is James Bond. If she's not James Bond... huh. Well, if this is legit, this is definitely huge for the franchise. But for now I'm going to focus on being excited for Bond 25 and not letting this spoil my hype  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Adami on July 15, 2019, 09:53:45 AM
So, I want to watch a 007 movie because 007 is James Bond. If she's not James Bond... huh. Well, if this is legit, this is definitely huge for the franchise. But for now I'm going to focus on being excited for Bond 25 and not letting this spoil my hype  :biggrin:

Jane Bond  :metal


Honestly, so many people are like "Stop trying to force minorities into roles! Just cast the best person for the role regardless of that stuff"
"Fine, we thought the best person for the role was a black woman"
"IMPOSSIBLE! You're just pandering to special interest groups! It's not humanly possible that a minority would be the best choice for something!"

I'm not a James Bond fan by any stretch, but he's been around for decades and I've heard it's been getting stale. I get the decision to change direction a bit.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 15, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
So, I want to watch a 007 movie because 007 is James Bond. If she's not James Bond... huh. Well, if this is legit, this is definitely huge for the franchise. But for now I'm going to focus on being excited for Bond 25 and not letting this spoil my hype  :biggrin:

Jane Bond  :metal


Honestly, so many people are like "Stop trying to force minorities into roles! Just cast the best person for the role regardless of that stuff"
"Fine, we thought the best person for the role was a black woman"
"IMPOSSIBLE! You're just pandering to special interest groups! It's not humanly possible that a minority would be the best choice for something!"

I'm not a James Bond fan by any stretch, but he's been around for decades and I've heard it's been getting stale. I get the decision to change direction a bit.

 :lol

I just feel like a lot of James Bond's qualities are specifically designed to be portrayed by a male. I'm not anti-female (Jane) Bond and I'm actively rooting for Idris Elba to be the next Bond, but at the same time I think the switch needs to be handled very carefully and intelligently to make the switch feel organic and believable. I'm of the opinion that the Craig-era of Bond is the best it's ever been (overall), so I just want to see them put their best foot forward for the future. As long as they're doing this because they have the creative means to make it work well, I'm all game for this, I just don't want it to feel contrived.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 15, 2019, 10:18:03 AM
I would love to see Idris Elba so bad, and think he has the capabilities to really knock it out of the park.


I mean god damn:


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/e5/bb/43e5bbc70fa92f6949def384310d3f5d.jpg)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 15, 2019, 11:03:21 AM
Not a fan of the franchise transitioning to a female 007.

I just feel like a lot of James Bond's qualities are specifically designed to be portrayed by a male. I'm not anti-female (Jane) Bond

I just don't personally think the story/image etc etc will work with a female 007.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 15, 2019, 11:27:39 AM
Imagine a classy lady schmoozing a coy guy. I dunno, something about that just makes me laugh.  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 15, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
The gender / race switch at this point kinda feels like a gimmick, something along the lines of "Tour to play an album in its entirety". Sometimes it's a cool idea and sometimes it's a plain gimmick.

I don't follow Doctor Who but I know enough about it to know that the personification of the Doctor changes, and so it's not unconceiveable that an iteration of the Doctor could be a woman. But a character that is named James Bond can't really go Jane Bond. If the only way you have to present a cool story is to completely change the character, maybe it's time you give the character a rest. Kinda those comic issues that do alternate worlds, wacky universe changing dimensions etc etc only to scrap it all when fans don't like it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on July 15, 2019, 11:39:53 AM
James Bond goes through transition after a trip to his therapist made him realize his misogyny and objectifying of women is rooted in a deep dark desire of him wanting to be a female all along. Now he's Jane Bond reborn from James Bond.  :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 15, 2019, 11:46:04 AM
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Wow. Lashana Lynch is the next 007. She’s not playing Bond, but will take over the code name. Brava
I mean honestly how can this be a Bond movie then if it's not about the Bond moniker, wouldn't it be more like a spin-off instead?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Adami on July 15, 2019, 11:52:04 AM
I'd put money that this is marketing too.

New Bond movie? Meh. Some excitement, but the franchise has suffered a lot of fatigue.

New black female 007? I HAVE TO SEE THIS MOVIE BECAUSE I HATE THIS IDEA SO MUCH!

So I'd bet that she will not be a new 007 in any meaningful way, but is a way to spark interest and discussion.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ariich on July 15, 2019, 03:13:07 PM
Loving the overreaction from white dudes.

The indications so far are that the film starts with Bond having left/retired, and Lynch's character is the new 007. But for whatever reason, Bond needs to come back.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 15, 2019, 05:36:46 PM
Loving the overreaction from white dudes.

The indications so far are that the film starts with Bond having left/retired, and Lynch's character is the new 007. But for whatever reason, Bond needs to come back.
Are you talking about Bond 25 or 26?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on July 15, 2019, 09:03:05 PM
Love the overreaction to the (over?)reaction by the woke crowd.

And if they want to consider this a "Popcorn-dropping moment" would they have not announced it several months in advance? To Adami's point, of course it's marketing. To Katt's point, will it be organic and natural, or a gimmicky "We're playing album XX in its entirety this tour!"
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on July 15, 2019, 10:37:41 PM
No matter how it plays out, the studio wins. If they gamble and they lose, it just creates that much more hype for when they bring back a male James Bond. But if they gamble and they win, then they are viewed as innovators. Either way, the studio wins. They've created the controversy necessary to generate interest.

EDIT - In other words...everyone is being played. Sort of like how the same company that makes the "Christian fish" for the  back of people's cars also make the Darwin fish with the feet. The company makes money no matter which side you're on.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on July 16, 2019, 06:49:09 AM
Loving the overreaction from white dudes.

The indications so far are that the film starts with Bond having left/retired, and Lynch's character is the new 007. But for whatever reason, Bond needs to come back.

Pretty much this.   Spectre ended with Bond leaving with Madeleine Swann, so the next film will pick up with him retired.  Blofeld will escape probably kill Madeleine Swann, Bond returns finds that his 007 moniker has been passed on to Lashana Lynch - they'll probably team up and she'll be the Bond girl of the film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on July 16, 2019, 07:43:15 AM
I fail to see how having a female lead in a spy movie counts as innovation. But I don't care regardless, if it's done just to be woke - I'll laugh at how bad it is. If it's good - I win, no matter what. And I'm not a fan of the Craig run as 007, he is fantastic, I just don't care about the writing.
If they really want to do something notable with the gender switch, they'll have to completely change the tone of the movie I assume. I imagine female spies work in a very different way than males do, but if they just make her outfight men and so on like a Terminator then it's just a reskin to pander to very few people.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ariich on July 16, 2019, 07:49:13 AM
Who said anything about a female lead? Bond is obviously the lead in a Bond film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on July 16, 2019, 07:51:22 AM
Aren't they prepping a 007 female lead or did I misread?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 16, 2019, 07:53:49 AM
If they really want to do something notable with the gender switch, they'll have to completely change the tone of the movie I assume. I imagine female spies work in a very different way than males do, but if they just make her outfight men and so on like a Terminator then it's just a reskin to pander to very few people.

This would be cool. Have a female spy work on seduction, on men underestimating her because she's a "dumb chick", have her actually in situations in which men try to take advantage of her - Bond is a dog and sleep with everyone, how would it be if a female spy should be involved in a situation where she's expected as part of her ploy to sleep with someone she dislikes?

If it's just Black Widow being not a superhero but a spy, it would be a shallow gimmick.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 16, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
Aren't they prepping a 007 female lead or did I misread?
It's a bit confusing because I thought at first that they meant they will cast a female lead as 007 in Bond 26 but apparently this is all about the story of the upcoming movie which probably means what some are saying that she will temporarily play as 007 in Bond 25.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on July 16, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
Why do I get the feeling that the next Star Trek movie is going to feature a Puerto Rican transsexual as Captain Kirk.

In 2021, Indya Moore are James T. Kirk!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ariich on July 16, 2019, 02:15:25 PM
Aren't they prepping a 007 female lead or did I misread?
It's a bit confusing because I thought at first that they meant they will cast a female lead as 007 in Bond 26 but apparently this is all about the story of the upcoming movie which probably means what some are saying that she will temporarily play as 007 in Bond 25.
I'm sure some sites will have mis-reported through over-excitement (either rage because IT MUST BE A WHITE MAN or excitement because YAY IT'S NOT A WHITE MAN). The actual reporting is that she's been cast in Bond 25, along the lines I described in my previous post.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 16, 2019, 06:03:46 PM
Lynch’s character will probably only be 007 in the first half of the film, since Bond walked away from MI6 at the end of Spectre. Once he gets dragged back in this one he’ll probably reclaim the code name by the end of the film (hopefully)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volante99 on July 16, 2019, 07:09:05 PM
Why do I get the feeling that the next Star Trek movie is going to feature a Puerto Rican transsexual as Captain Kirk.

In 2021, Indya Moore are James T. Kirk!

Har har har. Someone help, I can’t see after the giant eye roll I just gave this post.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on July 19, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
First off I do agree with the theory that she's probably only carrying the code name for the start of the movie, maybe she dies, Bond comes back into play or whatever happens he ends up with the 007 title at the end again.

Still the whole ploy to use a black female as 007 no matter if it's for a scene or two, or half the movie is just such a lame move by the studio. They're doing it so they can say things like "anyone can be a badass agent" and "a woman can kick ass too" and I'm not saying these are wrong, but they're using the James Bond franchise to do this in. I think Lynch is a good actress and she probably could be a badass agent but it's like if you had 100% faith in this you would put out a movie called "Jane Kickass" or whatever, make a new original female character and make a movie like that. Using one of the most known IPs in movie history to do this is kinda like taking a dive in the deep side of the pool but you're wearing a life jacket. Then again look at a movie like Lucy starring Scarlett Johanson, pretty much nobody went to see that.

Then you got the endless debate that James Bond has no place in the world in 2019, a typical man's man (who is also white) who gets every woman to sleep with him and saves the world. For me personally I don't care going into a movie what race or gender the main character is, but I do believe in keeping it somewhat consistent with what the character always was.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 20, 2019, 03:46:34 PM
One step closer... Bond 25 officially titled "No Time To Die"! April 3rd, 2020 for UK -- April 8th, 2020 for USA!

https://twitter.com/007/status/1163843400644403200
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 20, 2019, 06:48:51 PM
I dig it! Was hoping for a Fleming title, but this one is total classic Bondian. And the logo looks pretty retro too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 20, 2019, 09:10:49 PM
That's right around the corner. For some reason I was thinking it was gonna be a fall 2020 release.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on August 21, 2019, 06:27:23 AM
What a lazy phoned in title - sounds like they used a Bond Name randomizer ('Kill Goldenpussy').  Also basically it means the same thing as 'Die Another Day'.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on August 21, 2019, 06:34:17 AM
I'd love to watch a Kill Goldenpussy movie  :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 07:06:58 AM
Synopsis of No Time To Die, from the announcement:

"In No Time To Die, Bond has left active service and is enjoying a tranquil life in Jamaica. His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.

Directed by Cary Fukunaga—who replaced Danny Boyle on the project—and written by Fukunaga, Neal Purvis, Robert Wade, Scott Burns, and Fleabag’s Phoebe Waller-Bridge, No Time to Die also stars Rami Malek, Lashana Lynch (herself rumored as a potential replacement for Craig as 007), Billy Magnussen, and Ana de Armas, alongside returning names like Léa Seydoux, Ben Whishaw, Naomie Harris, and more."
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on August 21, 2019, 09:20:21 AM
I'd love to watch a Kill Goldenpussy movie  :metal

It'd be like Home Alone.  But this time a rich socialite goes on holiday and leaves her special Golden Abyssinian (who has a diamond collar) home...alone.   Two burglars get wind of the collar but are repeated out witted by the cat, highlights include Joe Pesci getting his head stuck in the cat door, and Daniel Stern falling face first into a used litter tray.  Both end up getting neutered at the end of the film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 21, 2019, 09:29:46 AM
(herself rumored as a potential replacement for Craig as 007)
I assume that wasn't in the annoucement right?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 09:30:57 AM
(herself rumored as a potential replacement for Craig as 007)
I assume that wasn't in the annoucement right?

Nope, just copy+paste from the i09 article I saw breaking the news yesterday
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 21, 2019, 09:40:49 AM
(herself rumored as a potential replacement for Craig as 007)
I assume that wasn't in the annoucement right?

Nope, just copy+paste from the i09 article I saw breaking the news yesterday
I thought so. :)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on August 21, 2019, 12:09:13 PM
sounds like they used a Bond Name randomizer ('Kill Goldenpussy').

 :lol

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on August 21, 2019, 01:29:13 PM
The thing that stood out to me the most.. 5 writers?!  :eek
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: bl5150 on December 04, 2019, 02:41:34 PM
Trailer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTnDYxwhSaI
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on December 04, 2019, 02:55:26 PM
Nice shots of Matera!

So who is the villain, the Phantom of the Opera or Mr. Robot?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 04, 2019, 07:47:36 PM
Very decent cinematography. Not sure what else to make of it just from the trailer yet.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on December 04, 2019, 07:50:17 PM
NICE! Man am I excited. Looks awesome.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 05, 2019, 06:50:58 AM
Gonna be a long 4 month wait. The trailer looks incredible, especially the cinematography! It’s gonna be bittersweet sitting in the theater knowing that Craig’s era is coming to an end, but he’s had a great run!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on February 13, 2020, 11:20:47 PM
So... um, yeah... the new theme song is out. It's.... a song, I guess.

Have the ever before released the theme before the film's debut?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 14, 2020, 04:10:40 AM
Yeah, its quite lethargic and underwhelming  :P

Don't like Billie Eilish to begin with, so that aint helping either.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Polarbear on February 14, 2020, 04:51:09 AM
It was quite OK imo.

Definitely better than the theme for Spectre.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 14, 2020, 05:15:56 AM
It was quite OK imo.

Definitely better than the theme for Spectre.
and better than bloody Adele and Madonna (who both make me throw up), but better than these three doesn't suffice. Never. (and yes, I'm jaded and proud of it) I guess the film and the actual soundtrack will make up for every misstep (concerning the main titile songs) in the Craig era. They all were. Great films though in his era, all of them. (his era and Roger Moore's were my favourites. The Spy Who Loved Me was my first one)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on February 14, 2020, 06:54:41 AM


It was quite OK imo.

Definitely better than the theme for Spectre.
and better than bloody Adele and Madonna (who both make me throw up), but better than these three doesn't suffice. Never. (and yes, I'm jaded and proud of it) I guess the film and the actual soundtrack will make up for every misstep (concerning the main titile songs) in the Craig era. They all were. Great films though in his era, all of them. (his era and Roger Moore's were my favourites. The Spy Who Loved Me was my first one)



I think "Skyfall" is great.  Not only is a good song on it's own, but they deliberately took cues from the old Shirley Bassey theme songs in how it was written.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 14, 2020, 07:00:07 AM


It was quite OK imo.

Definitely better than the theme for Spectre.
and better than bloody Adele and Madonna (who both make me throw up), but better than these three doesn't suffice. Never. (and yes, I'm jaded and proud of it) I guess the film and the actual soundtrack will make up for every misstep (concerning the main titile songs) in the Craig era. They all were. Great films though in his era, all of them. (his era and Roger Moore's were my favourites. The Spy Who Loved Me was my first one)



I think "Skyfall" is great.  Not only is a good song on it's own, but they deliberately took cues from the old Shirley Bassey theme songs in how it was written.
and Muse wrote Supremacy for Skyfall (but it was rejected), which would have fit much much better IMHO. (referencing Live And Let Die and Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice), besides Skyfall was as flat as can be (nothing grandiose about it. (remember Dan Craig being shot right before it, and then this bland piece of nonsense, I just didn't understand and still don't now. To each their own though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zydar on February 14, 2020, 07:16:50 AM


It was quite OK imo.

Definitely better than the theme for Spectre.
and better than bloody Adele and Madonna (who both make me throw up), but better than these three doesn't suffice. Never. (and yes, I'm jaded and proud of it) I guess the film and the actual soundtrack will make up for every misstep (concerning the main titile songs) in the Craig era. They all were. Great films though in his era, all of them. (his era and Roger Moore's were my favourites. The Spy Who Loved Me was my first one)



I think "Skyfall" is great.  Not only is a good song on it's own, but they deliberately took cues from the old Shirley Bassey theme songs in how it was written.
and Muse wrote Supremacy for Skyfall (but it was rejected), which would have fit much much better IMHO. (referencing Live And Let Die and Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice), besides Skyfall was as flat as can be (nothing grandiose about it. (remember Dan Craig being shot right before it, and then this bland piece of nonsense, I just didn't understand and still don't now. To each their own though.


I didn't know that, but it makes sense because I've always found it to sound very "Bondy". Those verses could have been taken from virtually any Bond theme.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 14, 2020, 07:54:09 AM
I truly wish they would have did their original plan for SPECTRE and used the Radiohead song of the same name

https://vimeo.com/188651189

I greatly prefer that to Writing on the wall
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on February 14, 2020, 10:25:21 AM
I’d take 50 Adele songs over one Radiohead or Muse song, so there’s that.  I thought Skyfall was a perfect Bond theme. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 14, 2020, 10:28:13 AM
I’d take 50 Adele songs over one Radiohead or Muse song, so there’s that.  I thought Skyfall was a perfect Bond theme.
Same here.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2020, 11:09:18 AM
Muse is awesome. All I have to offer. Carry on.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Walrus on February 14, 2020, 12:17:12 PM
Skyfall is my favorite Bond theme by a long shot to be honest. Something about that one is on another level. I also love Billie's Bond song. And A Moon Shaped Pool is probably the best thing Radiohead's ever done, it's awesome.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 05, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/bond-movie-no-time-die-delayed-due-coronavirus-1282170

Coronavirus is the first enemy to defeat James Bond,  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on March 05, 2020, 08:01:17 AM
No Time to Catch a Virus, more accurately  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 05, 2020, 10:14:46 AM
A new trailer for No time to die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw2FOYjCz38
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 06, 2020, 03:01:04 PM
Looking forward to this. Dan Craig's Bond era has been mostly great. Casino Royale and Skyfall were fantastic - Spectre was pretty good and Quantum of Solace isn't as bad as the crap

they gave poor Pierce Brosnan after the fantastic GoldenEye. Brosnan was a GREAT Bond saddled with shit films. Poor him.

No Time To Die looks great. And i'd love for the next next Bond movie to look like this :

Bond : Idris Elba

Director : Christopher Nolan / Martin Campbell - who directed GoldenEye and Casino Royale - he has a knack for making great Bond Movies for new actors. But I think he's like 80 now...

DOP : Roger Deakins

Score : Hans Zimmer

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 06, 2020, 09:04:50 PM
I would love to see Idris Elba take on the role. I'm honestly glad that this is Craig's last outing. I've kind of lost interest in him as Bond
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Post by: Cool Chris on September 06, 2020, 10:38:43 PM
I don't know how Idris Elba could manage the role with everyone fellating him around the clock.

I don't need my films to be all-star teams. They don't all have to be plucked randomly from Central Casting, but I am cool with giving some lesser known talent a chance, both in front of the camera and behind it.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on September 07, 2020, 01:42:55 AM
Dalton is the best Bond by miles.  He actually made Bond feel more like a real person, made him more vulnerable, but also more ruthless - actually seemingly caring about the mission and people around him, and therefore the danger feels more real. The others tend to just be superspys who breeze though everything without a hair (or wig) out of place quipping in the face of death - which is all rather fun.....but in Dalton's case- nobody does it better. 

The next Bond should be someone who (like Dalton) can bring pathos to the role.  Iain de Caestecker or Dan Stevens could work.  Craig's been OK (miles better than 'Debenham Man' Brosnan), but hasn't got the chops of Dalton and has generally got weaker each film.

With the Mission Impossible hitting it's stride nailing the fun action franchise and John Wick with it's brilliant action sequences maybe it's time Bond used this next change of actor to do something it's barely even touched before, depict Bond being a spy we've never really had an actual proper spy thriller in the franchise yet.  I'm also not sure Bond works best in the modern world, so I wouldn't be averse to a Bond series under whoever takes the role being set in the 80's - for a proper cold war spy film, with Iron Maiden doing the theme song. :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on September 08, 2020, 08:03:03 AM
I've watched the various Bond films over the years, up to the Daniel Craig ones; I don't think I've seen one since GoldenEye, to be honest, but I've taken to reading the original Fleming novels of late (I'm on "From Russia With Love" right now.).  I'm itching to go back and watch them in order.    My favorite Bond movie is "The Spy Who Loved Me", but in reading the books, I'm actually thinking I'm in for a grand reassessment.  As I've read each book, I've taken a gander at each of the movie plots, and they are, in some cases, VERY different. 

I like what Soupytwist said about the difference of the character.  In the books, Bond is a multidimensional character and ISN'T a stock "action hero".  He has his moments, but he's not a quipster, and that's his charm. He IS ruthless, but with a purpose.  He DOES womanize (and objectify the women in his life) but he's not a player or a cad.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on September 08, 2020, 12:18:04 PM
I wouldn't mind a Bond spin-off or something in the style of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on September 09, 2020, 05:12:28 AM
My favorite Bond movie is "The Spy Who Loved Me", but in reading the books, I'm actually thinking I'm in for a grand reassessment.  As I've read each book, I've taken a gander at each of the movie plots, and they are, in some cases, VERY different. 

The Spy Who Loved Me book couldn't be anymore different from the film.  The book is also the worst of the Fleming Bond Novels by some way (in my opinion).  The film is a good one though, Rogers best.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on September 09, 2020, 08:02:50 AM
My favorite Bond movie is "The Spy Who Loved Me", but in reading the books, I'm actually thinking I'm in for a grand reassessment.  As I've read each book, I've taken a gander at each of the movie plots, and they are, in some cases, VERY different. 

The Spy Who Loved Me book couldn't be anymore different from the film.  The book is also the worst of the Fleming Bond Novels by some way (in my opinion).  The film is a good one though, Rogers best.

I forgot if I said this or not (and am too lazy to scroll back four posts! Hahaha), but I'm on "From Russia With Love" now. "Dr. No" is next (that's the first film, if memory serves) then "Goldfinger".   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on September 09, 2020, 08:34:25 AM
My favorite Bond movie is "The Spy Who Loved Me", but in reading the books, I'm actually thinking I'm in for a grand reassessment.  As I've read each book, I've taken a gander at each of the movie plots, and they are, in some cases, VERY different. 

The Spy Who Loved Me book couldn't be anymore different from the film.  The book is also the worst of the Fleming Bond Novels by some way (in my opinion).  The film is a good one though, Rogers best.

I forgot if I said this or not (and am too lazy to scroll back four posts! Hahaha), but I'm on "From Russia With Love" now. "Dr. No" is next (that's the first film, if memory serves) then "Goldfinger".

Are you just going to read the Fleming ones or continue on the novel franchise.  They tend to be a bit of a mixed bag (that includes the Fleming ones to be fair).  The two big contributions are by Raymond Benson and John Gardner - both wrote several Bond novels, I've read a couple of each.  They are both OK but rather workmanlike.  I would recommend Sebastian Faulks 'Devil May Care' - that's really good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on September 09, 2020, 10:01:48 AM
My favorite Bond movie is "The Spy Who Loved Me", but in reading the books, I'm actually thinking I'm in for a grand reassessment.  As I've read each book, I've taken a gander at each of the movie plots, and they are, in some cases, VERY different. 

The Spy Who Loved Me book couldn't be anymore different from the film.  The book is also the worst of the Fleming Bond Novels by some way (in my opinion).  The film is a good one though, Rogers best.

I forgot if I said this or not (and am too lazy to scroll back four posts! Hahaha), but I'm on "From Russia With Love" now. "Dr. No" is next (that's the first film, if memory serves) then "Goldfinger".

Are you just going to read the Fleming ones or continue on the novel franchise.  They tend to be a bit of a mixed bag (that includes the Fleming ones to be fair).  The two big contributions are by Raymond Benson and John Gardner - both wrote several Bond novels, I've read a couple of each.  They are both OK but rather workmanlike.  I would recommend Sebastian Faulks 'Devil May Care' - that's really good.

I generally stick to the originals.  A couple authors I like - Robert Ludlum, for one - have had their characters (particularly Jason Bourne) live on, but I generally steer clear.   It's sometimes very hard to accommodate the style and tone without it being caricature, and I get distracted too easily by that.  :)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DoctorAction on September 09, 2020, 01:24:33 PM
I've read Dr No and another Fleming one about 20 years ago  and Devil May Care when it came out. Enjoyed them all. Was totally convinced by the tone of the latter, fwiw.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on September 13, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
People like The Spy Who Loved Me?

The last time I went through them, I found that one in particular to be incredibly boring.

If memory serves, my two favorite Moore films are FYEO and AVTAK. Followed closely by TMWTGG. TSWLM was mostly just plodding, but not terrible, and the less said about MR and LALD the better.

Oh, I almost forgot, Octopussy was a bit ridiculous as well, but not as bad as the last two I mentioned.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 13, 2020, 05:14:57 PM
I love Bond - but i find the most boring ones are the Sean Connery ones. Thunderball especially is tedious if I remember.

One day I will get all 25 movies on DVD and watch one a day to re-assess.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 13, 2020, 08:43:25 PM
People like The Spy Who Loved Me?

The last time I went through them, I found that one in particular to be incredibly boring.

I didn't see any Bond films in real time until Brosnan, and do not recall at what point in time, or it what sequence, I saw The Spy Who Loved Me. But that was my initial takeaway as well. I think it is one of the few Bond films (outside of the Craig ones) I have not seen multiple times.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 14, 2020, 11:01:09 AM
I love ‘Spy’, it’s one of my big 4 of the franchise. Only 4 films in the franchise that I consider masterpieces:

Goldfinger
The Spy Who Loved Me
GoldenEye
Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 14, 2020, 11:04:54 AM
My favorites:

Goldeneye
Spy who loved me
Casino royale
From Russia with love

Guilty Pleasures:

Tomorrow never dies
Moonraker
Quantum of solace
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on September 14, 2020, 12:00:19 PM
Top 5 for me..

1. The Living Daylights.
2. Casino Royale.
3. The Spy Who Loved Me
4. From Russia with Love.
5. Goldeneye.

Bottom 5..

5. Diamonds are Forever.
4. The Man with the Golden Gun.
3. The World in not Enough.
2. Thunderball.
1. Quantum of Solace.  (Worst by a mile).

Quilty Pleasure... View to a Kill. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 14, 2020, 11:17:44 PM
Personal favorites:
Goldeneye: I maintain it was the right film, with the right actor, at the right time.
The Man With the Golden Gun
Skyfall

Ones I seem to like a lot that are not highly regarded by Bond fans:
Live and Let Die - Yep
The World is Not Enough - has some flaws but still highly enjoyable

Ones I enjoy but don't get the reverence for from the fanbase:
Goldfinger
The Spy Who Loved Me (but apparently this is not as highly regarded by forum members here, maybe I overestimated its appreciation...)
Casino Royale

Least Favorites:
Dr. No
Thunderball
Diamonds Are Forever

I didn't enjoy it the one time I watched it, but it was so long ago I cannot say why. Maybe it just made no discernible impression on me:
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Licence to Kill
The Living Daylights

I fell asleep in the theater and never saw the whole film (it's a long story):
Quantum of Solace
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 15, 2020, 04:01:05 AM
I agree that I'd put Goldeneye as the best and Quantum as the worst, but other than that:

Personal favorites:
Goldeneye: Utterly Brilliant. Reinvented a dying franchise. Love it.
The Spy Who Loved Me: Fun, fun, fun - everything a Bond film should be. Plus Barbara Bach.
You Only Live Twice: A bit racist viewed through today's filter, but Donald Pleasance nails it.
Casino Royale

Ones I like a lot that are not highly regarded by Bond fans:
Oh Her Majesty's Secret Service: The last of the glamour 60s Bonds, and a more mature and vulnerable approach to the character
For Your Eyes Only: A proper old fashioned spy caper, criminally underrated.
Never Say Never Again: I always enjoy this one.
The Living Daylights: The franchise was looking a bit tired by this point, and was struggling to compete with big budget movie blockbusters, but what's not to like about Timothy Dalton and Maryam D'Abo ski-ing down a mountain on a cello?
Licence to Kill: Its basically an episode of Miami Vice, but still fun

Ones I enjoy but don't get the reverence for from the fanbase:
From Russia With Love: It's just alright
Thunderball: ditto
Diamonds are Forever: Plenty O'Toole - "named after your father, no doubt"
The Man With The Golden Gun: Christopher Lee is seriously underused in this.
A View To A Kill: Fun, but Roger Moore is old enough to be her great-grandfather - icky
Tomorrow Never Dies
Skyfall

Least Favorites:
Dr. No
Goldfinger: Bond does nothing, he's totally passive throughout, the plot would have unravelled in exactly the same way if he hadn't been there.
Live And Let Die
The World Is Not Enough: One of the least believable things in any Bond movie - Denise Richards as a nuclear scientist.

Awful:
Spectre
Octopussy: Bond defuses a bomb dressed as a clown and there are plenty of hijinks with a man in a gorilla suit in a sub-plot lifted straight out of an old Marx Brothers film.
Moonraker: The Space Cavalry arrive to save the day with space laser guns. Let me say that again just in case you failed to appreciate how daft it is - The Space Cavalry arrive to save the day with space laser guns.
Die Another Day: The invisible car. Need I say more?

I walked out of the cinema and never saw the whole film it was that bad:
Quantum of Solace
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2020, 04:52:28 AM
Last time I rewatched QOS I didnt hate it. But Die Another Day is still terrible.


Goldeneye and Casino Royale are clearly the two best.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2020, 06:22:30 AM
Timothy Dalton and Maryam D'Abo ski-ing down a mountain on a cello?

AND

Quote
One of the least believable things in any Bond movie - Denise Richards as a nuclear scientist.

HAHAHA.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on September 15, 2020, 07:34:09 AM
Last time I rewatched QOS I didnt hate it. But Die Another Day is still terrible.


Goldeneye and Casino Royale are clearly the two best.

If they'd only kept Dalton on for Goldeneye, it might be the best one.   As it is we get a great film with a dull Bond - Hell even swap the roles with Sean Bean as Bond and Brosnan (or someone else) as Trevelyan and it'd be a better film.

Die another Day is terrible, but it's never boring - so that's why it's above a few others for me.


Octopussy: Bond defuses a bomb dressed as a clown and there are plenty of hijinks with a man in a gorilla suit in a sub-plot lifted straight out of an old Marx Brothers film.

No matter how many times I watch this film I still have no idea what the hell is going on with those faberge egg's at the start.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 18, 2020, 05:21:25 AM
Pierce had the perfect look but after goldeneye his films were poor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 18, 2020, 05:50:51 AM
Its a shame Pierce didn't get better material to work with:

Goldeneye - awesome

Tomorrow never dies- Dumb but fun

The world is not enough- boring and dull

Die another day- Absurd cartoon and ridiculous
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 18, 2020, 05:56:59 AM
I need to see Tomorrow Never Dies again but I remember The World Is Not Enough being his 2nd best one after Goldeneye.

Upon first viewing I think TND had a weak story and poor villain who just sort of died at the end... I remember an Austin Powers kinda death where there's a drill coming at him

and he just sort of stands there.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DTA on September 18, 2020, 12:58:28 PM
I think TND is the single most underrated Bond film there is. There's so much cool stuff going on in that one that I really can't see how it's labeled as inferior in any way. The whole Dr. Kaufman/unbreakable-car segment is one of the best moments in any Bond film and the corrupt media aspect feels pretty relevant nowadays.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 19, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
Man, when TND was in production, I thought Jonathan Pryce was born to play a Bond villain. It was ultimately a lackluster and disappointing result - though I'll attribute much of that to the writing. I have not seen it in years but I remember liking it at the time. As someone said earlier, it was a fun movie, if not a stellar one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 19, 2020, 01:19:47 PM
TND had the potential to be a lot better than it was. The whole media manipulating world events angle is pretty brilliant imo and scarily something very real honestly. If they played it a little less goofy, it could have been something very cool.

Regardless, I have always been entertained by it and always have a good time. The run time just flies by.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on September 19, 2020, 04:27:23 PM
TND is pretty decent mid tier Bond, hampered by the dullest Bond actor, but Michelle Yeoh is a lot of fun.
The World is Not Enough is lackluster and boring with some of the blandest action in the series oh and Denise Richards   ;D.  I will say that Sophie Marceau is beautiful in this movie though!
Die Another Day is Moonraker part 2 - dumb, like really dumb, but at least its never boring.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2020, 04:29:32 PM
I love Pierce Brosnan as Bond :dunno:

I thought he was absolutely perfect in Goldeneye.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on September 19, 2020, 04:40:09 PM
I love Pierce Brosnan as Bond :dunno:

I thought he was absolutely perfect in Goldeneye.

I think he looks like a bland clothes model, the only thing he brought to the role is snugness.   I just can't buy him as a tough spy (at least Roger had charm!).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 19, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
I like Pierce but only in Goldeneye and TND. After that, it just fell apart.

Would have liked to have seen more Dalton though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 19, 2020, 08:11:51 PM
TND had the potential to be a lot better than it was. The whole media manipulating world events angle is pretty brilliant imo and scarily something very real honestly. If they played it a little less goofy, it could have been something very cool.

Yes, Bond has gone up against several one-dimensional, "I want to take over the world, mwah ha ha!" villains, iand they had a chance with Pryce to do something unique. I liked how they had the Bond girl (lame as she was) have a link with both Bond and Pryce (that character was so lame I cannot even recall what it was).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on September 20, 2020, 10:29:51 AM
Dalton is my favorite Bond but I always liked Pierce. I think GoldenEye is one of the great Bond films (top3, maybe even nr1), Tomorrow Never Dies is solid and underrated and I would even say The World is Not Enough is a lot of fun and has a bunch of memorable set pieces - and also a very interesting Bond girl (Elektra) though the movie seems to get overshadowed by the "haha Denise Richards is a nuclear scientist named Christmas Jones". Die Another Day is terrible but the first 20 minutes or so I think is decent and even after that it's entertaining in a "so bad its good way".

Never really cared much for Craig as Bond personally. Casino Royale is great but I don't really care that much for his other films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 20, 2020, 02:26:49 PM
I don't think QOS is as bad as everyone says. Not when compared to Die Another Day.

Craig's Bond films have been mostly solid. Skyfall is great and Spectre was good but a wasted opportunity.

No Time To Die looks really good. It would be great if Craig could bow out on a high.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 20, 2020, 02:41:09 PM
I don't think QOS is as bad as everyone says. Not when compared to Die Another Day.
.

With the exception of the villain Dominic Green who I think sucks, I strait up love QOS and always have. Die another day is like the Batman and Robin (George Clooney) of the Bond series. Just ridiculous.


Never really cared much for Craig as Bond personally. Casino Royale is great but I don't really care that much for his other films.

Right off the bat, I found Craig to be very wooden in his performance, like The Terminator version of Bond. Everything he does in his performance is super subdued and I just don't see the Charm or charisma of the other bonds. And that's not to say I hate him, I'm just ready for someone new.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zydar on September 21, 2020, 08:36:20 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/ix0vo9/french_actor_michael_lonsdale_moonraker_passes/

The actor who played Hugo Drax in 'Moonraker' has passed away.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 21, 2020, 11:40:02 AM
Wow he survived all this time in space without a suit and a dart in his heart ?

Mad Respect.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 21, 2020, 09:21:07 PM
Goldfinger: Bond does nothing, he's totally passive throughout, the plot would have unravelled in exactly the same way if he hadn't been there.

I seem to recall this was basically the summary of Cinemasin's video on Goldfinger.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 04, 2020, 08:58:04 AM
No time to die delayed for a 2nd time, now to april

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54396415
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 04, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
This is actually the 4th delay. But yes, 2nd delay from COVID
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 04, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
This is actually the 4th delay. But yes, 2nd delay from COVID
at least the soundtrack by Hans Zimmer isn't affected by this delay (AFAIK anyway), but it certainly has been by some of the prior ones beforehand.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 04, 2020, 10:51:51 AM
If they released on streaming platforms, i would gladly pay to watch it. This delaying thing is getting old.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on October 04, 2020, 12:03:36 PM
I guess they just can't resign to the possiblity of the box office being a relative disaster because of fewer people in the theatre, and they want to release it when all cinemas and theatres of the world can be filled. Yeah, keep waiting I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on October 04, 2020, 12:53:04 PM
As I pointed out in the other thread where theaters are closing, if they don’t start thinking about releasing them now there won’t be any theaters left to open them in
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 04, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
As I pointed out in the other thread where theaters are closing, if they don’t start thinking about releasing them now there won’t be any theaters left to open them in

That's... not something I had ever considered...
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on October 04, 2020, 08:24:54 PM
As I pointed out in the other thread where theaters are closing, if they don’t start thinking about releasing them now there won’t be any theaters left to open them in

That's... not something I had ever considered...

LOL

You almost sound sarcastic. But since you didn’t put it in green I’m going to assume you’re serious. Regal is already closing down. Has anyone heard if AMC is considering the same? If they do, I can’t think of who would be left.

I don’t know about the rest of the nation, but in the Northwest, effectively all the theaters that are not small time independent movie houses are all either AMC or Regal. So up in these parts, Regal shutting down means that 50% of the big movie houses are gone.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 04, 2020, 08:29:18 PM
I was being serious, I knew theaters were approaching the precipice, but I never thought of it in terms of "if they don’t start thinking about releasing them now there won’t be any theaters left to open them in." I rarely go to movies, so this has not been on my radar up until recently.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2020, 07:41:06 AM
I'm sure there's data out there that can prove me right or wrong, but I approach this the same way I approach the complaints from record companies about downloading:  sounds like a scapegoat excuse for larger/deeper problems that have finally come home to roost.

I LOVE watching movies in theaters; it's an event, you get a nice comfy chair, someone else making you popcorn, great sound, immersive visuals...   and yet I'm lucky if I go once or twice a year.   It's expensive, it's a hassle, it's annoying (cell phones, talkers, walkers) and I just would rather stay home.  The movie theaters are not losing me because of COVID, just like record companies aren't losing me because of downloading (I just buy my CDs direct, or through eBay, pawn shops or Discogs, at about 20% of the list price).  I understand that there are artists on the other end, and I feel bad about that, but I also know there is a middle man in there that isn't really bringing value beyond scale.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 05, 2020, 09:19:13 AM


As I pointed out in the other thread where theaters are closing, if they don’t start thinking about releasing them now there won’t be any theaters left to open them in



The movie studios will probably just buy up the theater chains when they go into bankruptcy. (https://www.masslive.com/business/2020/08/court-decision-opens-door-for-hollywood-studios-to-buy-up-movie-theater-chains.html)

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 05, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
^ Red Letter Media put that idea forward.

Then you'd have like DISNEY Cinemas which only play Disney films  etc etc.

So you'd end up only going to the cinema to see mega budget tentpole blockbusters

And all the dramas etc would go straight to streaming.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 06, 2020, 01:35:30 PM


^ Red Letter Media put that idea forward.

Then you'd have like DISNEY Cinemas which only play Disney films  etc etc.

So you'd end up only going to the cinema to see mega budget tentpole blockbusters

And all the dramas etc would go straight to streaming.



The court felt that would not be the case:
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“Given this changing marketplace, the Court finds that it is unlikely that the remaining Defendants would collude to once again limit their film distribution to a select group of theaters in the absence of the Decrees and, finds, therefore, that termination is in the public interest,” Torres wrote.


If they try that again, they'll probably find themselves back in court with another Antitrust case.  I would expect some preferential treatment, but not to the full extent of only showing that studio's movies. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Arkarian on October 07, 2021, 12:38:58 PM
Hi everyone,

been following DTF for quite some time, but finally decided to create an account. Nice to meet you all. I used to be on the MPforums under the same user name back in the days.

*NO SPOILERS EXCEPT IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE TITLE SONG YET*
So I watched No Time the other day. Has anyone noticed how similar the beginning of the title track is to the beginning of "Moment of Betrayal"? I mean, it's a very common cadence, but it's even in the same key. Coincidence, no doubt, but I still found it worth mentioning.

Arkarian



Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 07, 2021, 03:16:56 PM
Welcome!  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 07, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
I'm seeing it tomorrow
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 08, 2021, 08:01:00 PM
Just got back from seeing it and I thoroughly enjoyed it. To be totally honest, I think its my favorite Craig era film and that is coming from someone who hated SPECTRE.

It was almost like a SPECTRE re-do in some ways, or at least a SPECTRE part two, because it directly continues the story, but anyway. Despite being almost 3 hours, I was engaged pretty much the whole time. Cutting maybe 20 mins would have served it well, but I'm still happy.

The action scenes were so much better this time. Many scenes and set pieces were visually stunning. Story was the highest stakes of any Craig film and pulled me in.

Really like Rami Malek as the villain and he had some cool Dr. No kind of vibes, but worked very well as his own character. Very sinister, believable as someone not to be screwed with.

So yeah, I went in not expecting much and left very satisfied.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 10, 2021, 09:36:09 AM
Saw it last night... Amazing! I remember seeing Casino Royale when I was just a lad in high school, and I never would have imagined that Craig would play Bond for 15 years. I think that they pulled off something pretty special with this five-film run. Casino Royale and Skyfall are still my favorites but this one doesn't lag far behind. Am genuinely sad that it's over but happy that I got to experience it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 10, 2021, 10:04:03 AM
Random thought... my mom was a huge fan of the series through Connery and Moore, and thus I was exposed to the films early on, and that love for them carried on to me. That first part isn't really relevant to what I was going to post, just wanted to give context.

I found this video of all the gun barrel sequences, and it reminded me of something that has always bothered me. Connery's look so clunky, awkward, and unbecoming a suave master spy like Bond, especially compared to all those that follow. Everyone else seems to have a little grace and fluidity to their movements. Connery looks like he almost trips himself and would be lucky to hit the broadside of a barn.

Also just noticed Craig in Spectre is the only one where Bond isn't hiding the gun while walking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7h55ha52E
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on October 10, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
I think the new one is good, and a solid send off for Craig and I would place it below Casino Royale and Skyfall but above Spectre and Quantum of Solace. For me the opening sequence in Italy is top tier opening sequences in the franchise, and the Cuba set piece and the Norway chase and forest set piece are great as well. For me the movie does lose some steam in the final third, and I never really felt I got a good sense of Rami Malek's motivation as a villain once he kinda finishes his objective half way through the movie. I know other movies have also done that "bad guy is bad because he is bad", so I'm not saying he's worse than many other Bond villains, but I wish there was a little bit more there.

Even though I felt the movie stumbled a little bit towards the end, it's still probably one of the best final Bond movies for the actor. I'd put License to Kill for it (then again Dalton is my personal favorite), but whether it was Connery, Moore or Brosnan, it felt like their final movies were a bit "Yeah its time to move on now". Wouldn't really count Lazenby in this case since he only did 1. (Though I personally love that one)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 11, 2021, 07:18:46 AM
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS



So I haven't seen the film yet but i've overheard people reveal the ending... Which makes me think in the next one - they'll just be the new 007 agent whoever it is

and at the end they reveal his new name is James Bond in honour of the greatest 00 agent. So he won't be James Bond til the end -

then M will take him aside and go " you are now a 00 agent. You are..007 and your name is..Bond....James Bond. "

Also here's my Bond 26 Dream Team :

Director : Christopher Nolan or Martin Campbell the director of Goldeneye and Casino Royale if he is still around.

Director of Photography : Roger Deakins  :coolio

Score : Hans Zimmer

Bond : Idris Elba


Also - Dan Craig is right. Bond should always be a man. because that's who James Bond is. How about making NEW ROLES for Women and People of Colour

instead of piggybacking established IPs for brand recognition as a shortcut like Ghostbusters 2016 did. And in the end it was a terrible slapped together pile of crap.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 11, 2021, 07:58:38 AM
I found this video of all the gun barrel sequences, and it reminded me of something that has always bothered me. Connery's look so clunky, awkward, and unbecoming a suave master spy like Bond, especially compared to all those that follow. Everyone else seems to have a little grace and fluidity to their movements. Connery looks like he almost trips himself and would be lucky to hit the broadside of a barn.

Also just noticed Craig in Spectre is the only one where Bond isn't hiding the gun while walking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7h55ha52E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7h55ha52E)


For those who are unaware, for the first 3 films, that wasn't Connery in the gun barrel sequence. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 11, 2021, 11:11:32 PM
For those who are unaware, for the first 3 films, that wasn't Connery in the gun barrel sequence. 

No way! I didn't know that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 12, 2021, 09:29:08 AM
For those who are unaware, for the first 3 films, that wasn't Connery in the gun barrel sequence. 

No way! I didn't know that.
It was Bob Simmons
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 12, 2021, 07:32:59 PM
Had to look up who that was. Cool bit of trivia. Though not sure why they felt compelled to have him do it and not Connery.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ErHaO on October 13, 2021, 05:19:14 PM
Watched the first four Craig films in prep for No Time To Die.

Casino Royale was as good as I remember. Quantum of Solace was much better than I remember. I actually don't really have a criticism other than that it is a fairly standard action film that lives in the shadow of it's prequel and sequel. Skyfall is almost as good as Casino Royale. Spectre is solid for about 2/3 of it's duration and then it becomes really dumb. For a moment I thought I was going to enjoy it way more than I remembered, as with Quantum. But at soon as they enter the Spectre base, and Blowfield starts talking, the script jumps the shark. I like Craig's Bond so I am glad he got another one and I hope it is a proper sendoff.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 13, 2021, 06:05:45 PM
1. Casino royale - Great, nothing else for me to say

2. Quantum of solace - I'll admit it has a lot of flaws. The plot is dumb, the villain is awful, but I've always enjoyed it. 

3. Skyfall- Outside of Bardem's performance, this movie is not for me. Great theme song though.

4. SPECTRE - Really don't like this one. Left the theater very let down, But I do love the opening mexico scene and the unused Radiohead theme is my favorite Bond song.

5. No time to die - Thoroughly enjoyed it
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 13, 2021, 06:22:17 PM
Casino Royale: Perfect in every way
Quantum of Solace: Bad
Skyfall: Amazing, almost matches CR
Spectre: Good
No Time to Die: Amazing, competing with Skyfall for 2nd place. Need to see it more
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on October 21, 2021, 01:34:48 AM
So the first half of No Time To Day is amazing - brilliant (and long) pre credit sequence, loved the Cuba section - Ana as Paloma was the star of the film, shame she only gets about 15 minute.  The second half though drops off, aside from a good action section in a misty forest - the rest is pretty flat.  Lucifer Satan (!) was a poor villain, the return of Blofeld was underwhelming and the finale was, well......I guess we still not using spoilers so I'll just say I didn't like it.

1. Casino
2. Skyfall.
3. No Time.
4. Spectre.
5. Quantum.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on October 21, 2021, 03:12:28 AM
I don't know how interesting this would be for everyone else but No Time to Die kinda gave me the idea to go back, and watch all the Bond movies again from the beginning. I grew up with these movies and one of my fondest memories from when I was a kid was that they used to show all the Bond movies on TV - one every Friday, and in that time, what was on TV was actually quite important as a kid, because it was pre-streaming and in my case pre-downloading, so what was on TV was likely going to be your options for the night unless you rented a movie. But yeah they used to show all the Bond movies once or twice a year, so for a couple of years during my transformative years, the Friday Bond night with some snacks was a big highlight. But what made me want to do a full re-watch is the fact that since the Craig movies came out, I haven't really seen any of the pre-Brosnan movies in probably 15 years or so.

Watched Dr. No (1962) the other night and I'm not sure how high it's ranked by fans but I thought it was a decent first film of the franchise. Some interesting things I took note of was that it wasn't Sean Connery in the gun barrel sequence, no big scene before the intro and there was no Bond song (other than the theme which you get in all the movies). I actually didn't remember much from this one at all except for the scene when someone tries to have Bond killed by letting a tarantula (that isn't even venomous as far as i know?) into his hotel room. That sequence stuck with me as a kid, I guess cause spiders. :D For being the first Bond movie I was still slightly surprised we got some of the staples we just did in the Craig movies like SPECTRE being referenced and Felix Leiter being in it. Dr. No as a bad guy didn't really stand out that much though, I was actually surprised when I saw his face revealed that I didn't remember him from my childhood at all. You also get 'secret base on an island' as the bad guy lair which is also a recurring thing at this point. Overall a pretty solid first entry and Connery does a good job, it didn't really stand out too much with the exception of a fairly creative tank made out to look like a dragon spitting fire. As a Bond film I'd say it's maybe a 7/10 or so, quite enjoyable but also certain things haven't fallen into place yet. :P

I could post my thoughts for the other ones as I go through them as well (maybe 1 or 2 a week) :)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on October 21, 2021, 04:39:48 AM
I think Dr No did a great job of introducing us to the character of Bond, he almost comes out fully formed right from the off in this movie.   The plot though is really quite under developed and the Bond world in general isn't really started here.  The next film 'From Russia' is the one where we really start to see the staples of the franchise.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 21, 2021, 05:26:25 AM
I always liked Dr. No, but it wasn't on regular rotation for me. Its good for what it is, but you can tell they were feeling things out and the plot kind of meanders at times. Really like Dr. No as a villain. The robot hands are a little whacky, but his cold, calculating personality I found interesting.

But then they follow it up with one of my favorites in the series with From Russia, so yeah they were definitely on to something.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 21, 2021, 05:36:26 AM
Some of the Connery era films are just DULL. I think Never Say Never Again is completely boring.

I always preferred Roger Moore because the films knew what they were and weren't so po faced.

They started phasing out the campiness with Dalton and by the time we got to Dan Craig they almost had no sense of humour left.

That's what I miss with current Bond. I think Goldeneye was the last one where it had the perfect balance of serious VS silly.

But it was obvious with Die Another Day that the silliness had gone a bit too far.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 21, 2021, 07:05:39 AM
I just bought the super duper deluxe box set of Bond films on eBay, and I'm going to do the same thing.  I really like the Bond films; I want to like Connery the best, but "The Spy Who Loved Me" is my favorite of the films, and Pierce Brosnan is my favorite of the actors that played him, so I guess that tells us nothing!  :) :) :)

I will say this:  I have a low tolerance for camp; it's either perfect (the Batman TV shows) or it's unwatchable, so there are a couple latter day Moore movies I haven't seen that I'm not so sure about.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 21, 2021, 07:12:18 AM
To me - the Bond films were ALWAYS tongue in cheek. The DC films mostly removed all of that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 21, 2021, 08:36:21 AM
I did a full series re-watch a year or two ago.  One thing I noticed is how often Bond is saved by luck, rather than any skill.  He's pretty shitty as a spy, really.  If he weren't superhumanly lucky, he would have been dead decades ago.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on October 21, 2021, 09:22:45 AM
I did a rewatch with my boxed set back when Skyfall had just come out.

Going from memory, I struck me that the Moore films were very hit and miss. Live and Let Die was so over the top campy and stupid that it was hard to even take seriously. It was like they were making fun of blaxploitation films and it was just silly. The Spy Who Loved Me is considered a classic, but I found it rather boring. Moonraker is terrible. But I rather enjoyed Man with the Golden Gun, A View to a Kill, and For Your Eyes Only. I don’t remember much about Octopussy.

I thought the Connery movies were much more consistent. From Russia with Love is probably my favorite but I think Diamonds are Forever doesn’t deserve the hate it gets.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on October 21, 2021, 10:45:58 AM
One other point: this will be the first time watching after having read the entire Fleming series (I don't read those written by ghost or guest authors).   I know some follow closely, some steal elements, and some are merely the same title, so it will be interesting.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 21, 2021, 10:47:34 AM
out of all them, there's probably only like 5 that I love, with Goldeneye being the favorite.

Besides that I like most of them, and there's a handful I really have no desire to watch again, like Die another day and never say never again.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on October 21, 2021, 08:52:14 PM
I've never done a full, dedicated Bond re-watch, and have seen some films more times than others. Haven't seen the latest.

One thing I have appreciated more and more is how they have upped the ante with the main villain. So many of the earlier Bond villains are so one-dimensional and forgettable. Quick, tell me the name of the villain in Thunderball, and something about him other than his eye patch. They may have been fine actors in their day We got legend Christopher Lee and Oscar winner Christopher Walken, but otherwise only Julian Glover, Yaphet Kotto, and Donald Pleasance had solid acting careers that I am aware of. Move forward to Brosnan and Craig, and we get Sean Bean, Jonathan Pryce, Mads Mikkelson, Javier Bardem, and Christoph Waltz. And with them we get away from Zantera's 'secret base on an island' kinda bad guy. We also get Judi Dench, and then Ralph Fiennes when we once had equally one-dimensional, stuffy old white dudes swapping a couple lines with Bond to give him his assignment (though Bernard Lee was great as M).

I also think the "spying" in these spy films can be lacking. In many films it feels like he sorta stumbles around, gets captured a couple times, ends up in the right place at the right time, and defuses the bomb just in time.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 22, 2021, 05:18:54 AM
One day I want to get a boxset of all 25 films. During the 1st L*ckd*wn in the UK I watched every MCU film that was on Netflix in order ( No Hulk or Spidey )...

And that was fun - also watched 1 Trek movie a night.

If we ever have to L*ckd*wn again - i'd love to watch 1 Bond Movie a Day.


- Anyways - My family are watching it tonight. I Have to go to work but i'm not that fussed about seeing it. I overheard the ending and at 2:45 i'm not that bothered.

I might see it eventually.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ErHaO on October 22, 2021, 08:38:13 AM
I think No Time to Die is a bit of a mess to be honest. But I prefer it over Quantum and especially Spectre because for all of it's flaws, I think it is a memorable film. In short, I loved the beginning and liked the ending sequence. But there were dragging parts in the middle and I thought many action sequences were not nearly as good/inventive as some of the setpieces in Casino and Skyfall. Some characters were also behaving as if they were in another films and the dialouge in general was not really good. I can't quite put my finger on it but the tone of the film just seemed inconsistent to me, mainly due to some of the characters. All in all I enjoyed it, but in the end I deem only Casino Royale and Skyfall to be good films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on October 27, 2021, 01:27:12 AM
Last night I did #2 on my re-watch and I viewed From Russia With Love (1963).

Still not Sean Connery in the intro but this time we did get a scene before the title sequence. I actually remembered this from the childhood, fake James Bond (revealed to be a mask) sneaking through a hedge/maze area, getting killed, revealed to just be a guy in disguise. The kind of intro that gets you interested right away. We also get the first appearance of Blofeld (though we do not see his face) and I guess to my surprise there was also Robert Shaw as the main henchman - maybe more known as Quint in Jaws. I don't have his name at the top of my head but the gentleman who plays Q in most movies makes his first appearance in this one, and I would also say this introduces the 'gadgets' into the Bond universe as a whole since in Dr. No he was only given a gun. Here you have a briefcase with a teargas cannister, some hidden currency and a hidden knife. Top notch Bond stuff! There's a fairly lengthy train sequence in the second half that I did remember parts of from my childhood, as well as a thrilling helicopter chase sequence.

Overall I think this was a good step up from Dr. No and it felt really good as a whole. I think the only negative that really stood out to me was the dubbing of Tatiana Romanova, because in a few scenes her mouth was moving but nothing was coming out, but also when she was talking it just felt 'off'. A limitation of the time for sure, but also casting someone who wasn't an English speaker. But this movie does offer an interesting opening sequence, you have more of a globetrotter feel to it since it starts in Turkey but then through the train trip goes through other countries. I know a lot of people consider this Sean Connery's best and I think it will be hard to top at least by his other films, but we shall see.

I'll probably wait to assign ratings until I've seen all of them since it makes it easier to put it in context but if Dr. No was a 6 or 7 for me, this would be an 8 or 9. Could see this end up in my top third or so by the end of the re-watch.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 27, 2021, 03:28:04 AM
So people *generally* think Quantum and Spectre are not great...

Would people still put Dan's 5 movies over Pierce's 4 movies ?

I put GoldenEye at #1 and Casino Royale at #2 - and they're both the same Director.

Tomorrow Never Dies is not great. " I make the news so people buy my paper ! "

The World Is Not Enough was Ok I think but still no GoldenEye and Die Another Day is pure Parody.


It was a shame Pierce's films were not great as he was a great Bond. He had the look for sure.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on October 27, 2021, 05:33:29 AM
So people *generally* think Quantum and Spectre are not great...

Would people still put Dan's 5 movies over Pierce's 4 movies ?

I put GoldenEye at #1 and Casino Royale at #2 - and they're both the same Director.

Tomorrow Never Dies is not great. " I make the news so people buy my paper ! "

The World Is Not Enough was Ok I think but still no GoldenEye and Die Another Day is pure Parody.


It was a shame Pierce's films were not great as he was a great Bond. He had the look for sure.

I'd go..

Casino.
Skyfall
Goldeneye.
No Time To Die.
Tomorrow Never Dies.
(At this point the remaining 4 are all pretty shite)
Spectre.
Die Another Day
World is Not Enough
Quantum.

As for actors I much prefer Craig.  Bronsnan is weakest (with Lazenby) for me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 27, 2021, 05:35:58 AM

Would people still put Dan's 5 movies over Pierce's 4 movies ?


Pierce kind of got screwed by the material he was given to work with. He really only had one very decent movie with Goldeneye, which is my favorite Bond film overall.

I love Tomorrow never dies but admit that its whacky. And then that's it, I don't watch or like the other two.

Craig on the other hand has Casino Royale and No time to die which I like a lot and Quantum which is a guilty pleasure. I strongly dislike SPECTRE and don't care for Skyfall.

So its almost a stalemate, although I may have to go with pierce solely for Goldeneye
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DoctorAction on November 02, 2021, 04:24:19 AM
Saw No Time To Die last night. Fantastic, I thought. They wrapped up the Craig run so well. Terrific action and some  real depth and heart in there.

I thought Spectre was a shame as it started so strong, and Skyfall felt a bit forced but they did really well to carry a thread through all these movies.

A great send off for the best Bond yet.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 02, 2021, 08:29:31 AM
Just watched Goldfinger (1964) on my Bond-rewatch.

The opening sequence really sets the tone that this is a lot closer to what we know think of as a typical Bond movie than the previous two. Bond appearing in a scuba suit to blow up some building, then later showing to be sporting a white suit underneath to blend in. (Surely this an inspiration for James Cameron with the opening in True Lies?) He also electrocutes an attacker in a hotel room and even does a pun about how shocking the situation was. This definitely feels more comedic than the first two movies and even though we're not in Moonraker territory yet, it feels like a little bit more of a light hearted tone.

Compared to the first two movies, this was the one I remembered/recognized the most parts from. The intro sequence, that Goldfinger card game at the pool, Bond making him lose and his retaliation by having this woman killed and painted gold. Definitely imagery I remembered from my childhood. There's also the first real Bond car with the Aston Martin DB5 and a memorable chase sequence through a forest area where he uses a lot of its gadgets. Oddjob as a henchman was also one of the more memorable villains as a kid and the finale at Fort Knox with a fight scene within the vault felt vaguely familiar as well. Some cheesy and dated effects at the end onboard the airplane but it was a product of its time and still this felt higher budget (apparently the budget of the first 2 combined).

So far I'm debating whether I'd put From Russia With Love or Goldfinger as my nr1 and the other one as 2, Dr. No while enjoyable is still by default nr3 for me as I just thought it was a step below these ones. I guess it depends if you prefer the slightly more humorous Goldfinger which really is the blueprint for the franchise, or if you prefer the slightly slower, a bit more somber From Russia With Love. Also on a side note, my brain keeps wanting to type out "Golfdinger" for some reason. :D

I'll keep an updated/ongoing rankings as I go through these, for now I think I'll go with:

From Russia With Love
Goldfinger
--
Dr. No
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on November 02, 2021, 09:00:59 AM
Bond is a total c*nt in Goldfinger,  he's also really incompetent - always getting caught and barely achieves anything of note in the entire plot!
It's a weird one - it looks great and some of the dialog is memorable, but to me it's quite overrated.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2021, 09:05:56 AM
The Connery era is fa from my favourite. Too dated I think now.

I grew up with Roger Moore and so that's the 'tone' that i associate with Bond.

The Dalton films were a hint at the more serious tone to come but then GoldenEye got the tone about perfect i'd say.

I think for the most part - the Dan Craig era is mostly gritty and lacking the more tongue in cheek elements.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 02, 2021, 10:02:03 AM
Bond is a total c*nt in Goldfinger,  he's also really incompetent - always getting caught and barely achieves anything of note in the entire plot!
It's a weird one - it looks great and some of the dialog is memorable, but to me it's quite overrated.

Haha I actually forgot to bring that up but it was something I noticed too. He spends like a good 45 minutes or so in the second half basically being a prisoner.  :lol
Also while all of these movies play into the womanizing aspect, this one felt worse than the previous two in that aspect because in the first 10 minutes he has a woman giving him a massage, and then dismissing her with "It's time for the men to talk" and slapping her butt. I know this is a product of its time but made me chuckle.  :lol

I will say as far as Bond getting captured goes, him being strung up with the laser going towards his groin is such a classic scene though. I mean they even did it in the Simpsons.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on November 02, 2021, 10:11:46 AM
Bond is a total c*nt in Goldfinger,  he's also really incompetent - always getting caught and barely achieves anything of note in the entire plot!
It's a weird one - it looks great and some of the dialog is memorable, but to me it's quite overrated.

Haha I actually forgot to bring that up but it was something I noticed too. He spends like a good 45 minutes or so in the second half basically being a prisoner.  :lol
Also while all of these movies play into the womanizing aspect, this one felt worse than the previous two in that aspect because in the first 10 minutes he has a woman giving him a massage, and then dismissing her with "It's time for the men to talk" and slapping her butt. I know this is a product of its time but made me chuckle.  :lol

I will say as far as Bond getting captured goes, him being strung up with the laser going towards his groin is such a classic scene though. I mean they even did it in the Simpsons.  :biggrin:

The line...
"My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as drinking Dom Perignon '53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That's just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs!"
...makes Bond sound like a right pretentious bellend.   ;D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2021, 10:44:39 AM
I wonder what music Bond would put on - or what 'pop' music he'd enjoy.

He's only suave cause he's got an unlimited credit card from the government. I assume that's how he can afford everything. You may die on your mission - so here's unlimited

government money so do whatever it takes but also enjoy yourself. I never got the impression Bond was mega wealthy on his own.

I expect his music taste is either he likes classical music - or he likes bands like Oasis.


he may have gone to the opera in a previous film - but only to spy on someone / obtain info.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 02, 2021, 12:11:55 PM
Goldfinger was like the Skyfall of its day. It made a crap ton of cash and was widely enjoyed by most viewers. Also, the 3rd film with its Bond, But just Like Skyfall, I'm not really into it.

The whole section on the horse farm after he gets captured feels like it takes ages, and I just check out until the end. But I'll give it props though for introducing a lot of classic Bond elements like the Aston martin, the gadgets and gimmicky (in a good way) villains such as Oddjob.

Theme song is awesome too.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2021, 01:26:00 PM
I really liked Chris Cornell's Casino Royale song. Skyfall too - amazing.

The Jack White one was crap. Didn't hate the Sam Smith one. It was alright.

The worst one has got to be the Madonna one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on November 02, 2021, 02:44:11 PM


The worst one has got to be the Madonna one.

Yeah that song, dated really badly.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 02, 2021, 03:04:51 PM
It was crap at the time.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on November 02, 2021, 08:10:45 PM
I don't generally care for Cinemasins (the YT channel) but love their Bond videos, especially the Connery ones. Yes, in Goldfinger he is basically a very fortunate and mildly resourceful prisoner for much of the film. He is so inconsequential to everything that transpires, except for getting Pussy to alert the authorities (or whatever she does, I forgot the details). I assume these were big hits because there really wasn't many films like these at the time.

Favorite songs:

A View to a Kill
Nobody Does It Better
Live and Let Die

The Chris Cornell one, Goldeneye, Skyfall, and Spectre are all solid, though I do not know them as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DoctorAction on November 04, 2021, 01:14:43 AM
Favourite Bond themes:

From Russia With Love (not a huge crooner fan but Matt Munroe nails it)
View To A Kill
The Living Daylights (the mighty a-ha)
Skyfall

I'm not keen on Sam Smith but his strange tone gave his an interesting, spooky quality, I feel.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2021, 06:52:04 AM
FOR ME, nobody does it better than "Nobody Does It Better" by Carly Simon. That's an almost perfect song, both on it's own and as applied to Bond.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 04, 2021, 07:13:06 AM
And as for songs that should have been Bond songs :

Noel Gallagher : Freaky Teeth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEx5ZTjZtwc
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 04, 2021, 07:23:22 AM
Favorites in no particular order:

License to kill
Goldeneye
SPECTRE by Radiohead
Goldfinger
OHMSS main theme (and We have all the time in the world)
A view to a kill
Tomorrow never dies


Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 04, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
Obviously I can't remember all 25 or whatever - but Die Another Day and the Jack White one are both terrible.

Also I unironically love A View To A Kill - film and song. I need to see it again.

It was probably the Bond I watched most as a kid aside from Moonraker.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 09, 2021, 11:10:42 AM
Just finished watching Thunderball and I would say after the last few that I feel mildly disappointed.

Being a 'prime Sean Connery' Bond film and being 4th in the order, I was surprised at how little I recognized from this film from back when I was a kid. The 'spinebreaker' machine at the Spa and the jetpack aside, I don't know if there was anything else I really remembered from this. This one kinda takes time to really get going IMO. We spend a decent chunk of time with some story elements happening with the bad guys while James is chilling at the Spa/Health clinic and the first 30 minutes or so felt pretty slow and almost like filler. The plot sounds classic Bond on paper with bad guys stealing atomic bombs and demanding money for them, but a lot of the middle really dragged for me. Maybe the greatest strengths of this film were some nice looking underwater shots and that's my main takeaway from this movie, but by the end of it they're almost overdoing it because none of the action set pieces on land really stood out to me as particularly memorable. The theme song was alright, the Bond girl was fairly forgettable and the bad guy almost felt like a parody with the eye patch and the shark pool. I know that's not this movie's fault that other movies have spoofed those traits after the fact, but looking back at it now with all of that since this movie came out, it was slightly humorous.

In terms of ranking I feel this wasn't as good as From Russia With Love or Goldfinger, though I do think it's debatable whether it's better or worse than Dr. No. Dr. No was perhaps a bit more streamlined but Sean Connery has grown into the role more by Thunderball and I do think the underwater shots were pretty good. I'll have to think about which one I'd place at #3 and #4 for now, but I think I'm leaning towards Thunderball at #3. Curious which one you guys prefer? Next week it's "You Only Live Twice"! :)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 09, 2021, 12:01:02 PM
I'm pretty divided on Thunderball,


Memorable stuff

1. SPECTRE board room scene
2. Number 2 with the eye patch is iconic (although super cliche now a days)
3. I think he got the point, with the spear gun.
4. M's conference with all the 00 agents. If you look close enough 003 is a woman which is very cool.


Stuff that's off

1. Jet pack is kinda cool, kinda whacky
2. Underwater battle between a bunch of dudes (redone even whackier in moonraker)
3. The stretch machine
4. The many parts where it drags and gets boring.


Overall, I rarely have a desire to re-watch it. I think it had a lot of potential, but just fell flat. As flawed as it is though, I'll take this over Never say never again.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on November 10, 2021, 07:53:16 AM
Note that the "non-canon" Bond film, Never Say Never Again is actually a remake of Thunderball.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 10, 2021, 01:12:10 PM
Note that the "non-canon" Bond film, Never Say Never Again is actually a remake of Thunderball.
Yup. Which is why I never include it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 10, 2021, 04:27:06 PM
In the pre-internet days of my youth, it would confuse the hell out of me that they were basically the same movie, lol.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 11, 2021, 03:26:17 AM
I am planning on doing Never Say Never Again on my re-watch as well but hearing that it is essentially a worse Thunderball doesn't get me hyped.  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 11, 2021, 04:16:59 AM
I get paid tomorrow and it's a nice chunk. So I *might* go and see " No Time to Ever Live and Let Die Another Day " at the cinema this weekend.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on November 11, 2021, 07:28:26 AM
I am planning on doing Never Say Never Again on my re-watch as well but hearing that it is essentially a worse Thunderball doesn't get me hyped.  :lol

Never Say Never is bad - probably the only Bond movie I'd rank lower is QoS.  It also has Bond playing some really naff video game against the villain, that seems to involve firing nukes and actual physical pain.  Fatima Blush is a good Bond girl though, and the best thing about it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 11, 2021, 08:17:27 AM
Yeah, Never say never again just has an aura about it the whole time of "why bother?"

Same actor playing Bond, same exact story, yet here we go again. It brings nothing new to the table and is just very meh.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on November 11, 2021, 08:22:18 AM
When I first saw it as a kid that video game was one of the most awesome things I'd ever seen in a movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on November 11, 2021, 08:56:05 AM
Yeah, Never say never again just has an aura about it the whole time of "why bother?"

Same actor playing Bond, same exact story, yet here we go again. It brings nothing new to the table and is just very meh.


Well, it is the only Bond film to really acknowledge an aging Bond and how he fits in with changing times. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DoctorAction on November 11, 2021, 03:34:01 PM
Thunderball is another Bond song I dig. Tom Jones has a mighty, mighty voice.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: JediKnight1969 on November 14, 2021, 07:10:02 AM
Just watched NTTD last night. Bond deserved better.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 16, 2021, 05:33:40 AM
Just finished watching You Only Live Twice (1967) and I'm not sure if it was the slightly lowered expectations after Thunderball but I really enjoyed it. I think a big reason is I recognized a lot of parts from seeing the movie as a kid and if I faulted Thunderball for being a bit dull and slow in certain areas, this movie kinda went all out to have a lot of creative things happening. Some of them goofy and over the top, but ultimately it paid off in a very enjoyable viewing experience IMO.

The opening part in space with the whole 'stealing of the space shuttle' was very familiar and we go from there to James Bond faking his own death and them dropping the body into the ocean, only to be retrieved underwater and carried into a submarine. One of the things I liked the most was the change in environment of having this set in Japan. It really gives this movie a very different feel to the previous 4 in my opinion. It's not without its flaws and if you hate the more goofy elements of the franchise, there are parts of this that probably go too overboard. Ninjas, Bond trying to look like a Japanese fisherman to blend in, and him flying in a small gyrocopter among other things. But I felt the creativity and memorability of a lot of these scenes really made the movie a lot of fun and you also get one of the most iconic secret bases of the franchise imo - hidden under a volcano with a secret gate in the crater. Donald Pleasence as Blofeld stands out in my head as the most iconic performance of that character as well. Add to that a good theme song by Nancy Sinatra, some other memorable scenes like a helicopter with a magnet picking up a car chasing Bond and dropping it in the ocean, and Bond being left for dead in a crashing airplane only to break free and just barely land it - and you got a very decent entry in the franchise I think.

Curious how you guys think of the movie because I could see it being either low or high in the Connery rankings depending on what you prefer. For my enjoyment, I'd probably place this second behind From Russia With Love but just above Goldfinger (that might be controversial).

From Russia With Love
You Only Live Twice
Goldfinger
Thunderball
Dr. No
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 16, 2021, 06:25:47 AM
You only twice is certainly entertaining, but it was always too whacky for me to watch on a regular basis.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 16, 2021, 07:19:50 AM
You only twice is certainly entertaining, but it was always too whacky for me to watch on a regular basis.

I think that's a fair take though. I feel so far the Connery movies have been close enough quality-wise where I wouldn't be surprised by any sort of ranking. I know Diamonds Are Forever and Never Say Never Again (when it's included in lists) tends to be the bottom 2 so I guess the worst might be ahead of me. I am very much looking forward to On Her Majesty's Secret Service next though, remember good things about it. In the bigger scheme of things once I get to the end of this list, I wouldn't be surprised if You Only Live Twice has slipped down quite a bit as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 16, 2021, 08:48:39 AM
You only twice is certainly entertaining, but it was always too whacky for me to watch on a regular basis.

I think that's a fair take though. I feel so far the Connery movies have been close enough quality-wise where I wouldn't be surprised by any sort of ranking. I know Diamonds Are Forever and Never Say Never Again (when it's included in lists) tends to be the bottom 2 so I guess the worst might be ahead of me. I am very much looking forward to On Her Majesty's Secret Service next though, remember good things about it. In the bigger scheme of things once I get to the end of this list, I wouldn't be surprised if You Only Live Twice has slipped down quite a bit as well.
You also have the extreme campiness of the Roger Moore films coming up too 😆
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 16, 2021, 09:39:01 AM
You only twice is certainly entertaining, but it was always too whacky for me to watch on a regular basis.

I think that's a fair take though. I feel so far the Connery movies have been close enough quality-wise where I wouldn't be surprised by any sort of ranking. I know Diamonds Are Forever and Never Say Never Again (when it's included in lists) tends to be the bottom 2 so I guess the worst might be ahead of me. I am very much looking forward to On Her Majesty's Secret Service next though, remember good things about it. In the bigger scheme of things once I get to the end of this list, I wouldn't be surprised if You Only Live Twice has slipped down quite a bit as well.
You also have the extreme campiness of the Roger Moore films coming up too 😆

That is true! I think the fact I know what awaits with something like Moonraker, maybe puts my tolerance level up a bit for the silliness in the Connery movies so far.  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 17, 2021, 05:54:04 AM
Saw No Time To Die last night, and while I enjoyed it well enough, it's just not Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2021, 05:59:16 AM
Yeah its time to end I think.


Unless they bring back the silliness a bit with the next guy. We need more Roger Moore type films. The DC movies were all so glum.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ErHaO on November 17, 2021, 06:33:57 AM
Things change over time. For example, old school comics are super different in tone compared to modern ones. Take Batman for instance, both the comics and films. Early Detective comics vs The Killing Joke and Batman Returns vs The Dark Knight. I don't think many people will claim The Killing Joke or The Dark Knight are not Batman. The Craig series started out as deviating from some core Bond elements and ended that way, but there is a whole lot of Bond DNA in all of them. It will be interesting where they are going for next.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2021, 08:13:53 AM
I hope they dont just 'double down' on the gritty Bourne - esque side of things.

Bond for me has always been tongue in cheek , comedic and gadgets.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 17, 2021, 08:46:44 AM
Things change over time. For example, old school comics are super different in tone compared to modern ones. Take Batman for instance, both the comics and films. Early Detective comics vs The Killing Joke and Batman Returns vs The Dark Knight. I don't think many people will claim The Killing Joke or The Dark Knight are not Batman. The Craig series started out as deviating from some core Bond elements and ended that way, but there is a whole lot of Bond DNA in all of them. It will be interesting where they are going for next.
Definitely. The franchise has been running for 60 years. Gotta try different things to keep it fresh!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 17, 2021, 08:47:42 AM
Odd that they didn't delay No Time To Die til 2022 so that Bond #25 would coincide with the 60th anniversary of Dr. No.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on November 22, 2021, 03:30:54 AM
I hope they dont just 'double down' on the gritty Bourne - esque side of things.

Bond for me has always been tongue in cheek , comedic and gadgets.

Mission Impossible has kind off stolen Bond thunder with the more lighter tone spy franchise.  I personally think the last 3 MI movies are better/more entertaining than the last 4 Bond films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 23, 2021, 11:12:41 AM
Just finished On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969) and I gotta join the praise it's gotten in recent times (I believe Nolan said it was his favorite Bond movie for example).

Feels a bit weird seeing George Lazenby in this considering he only made one, and in some ways I do think it's a shame he didn't get at least one more movie (though from what I read that's more because he left rather than them firing him). For me this rivals and possibly even tops From Russia With Love as the best one (so far) and I really enjoyed the setting in Switzerland and it had some thrilling sequences like the ski lift part as well as the chase down the mountain. Sure, some of those greenscreen shots haven't aged well at all but you gotta take those with some grain of salt since they appear in all these old Bond films. The dark ending was something I remembered but I still think it hits emotionally. Brave choice to end it like that, in contrast to the typical Bond movie ending where he gets the girl and the credits roll over them making love. The score was really familiar as well and really stood out as one of the best that I remember. It's not without it's flaws and I would say the most jarring thing for me was the dubbing of Lazenby when he was undercover at Blofeld's base. The decision to dub him over with the other actor he was portraying felt odd, and it was the one element that didn't quite work for me. For me Lazenby did a great job in the role but I could see someone who doesn't like him who would probably dislike this movie a lot more.

But next week I know Connery returns in Diamonds are Forever before we get to the Moore years. :p

Rankings so far:

On Her Majesty's Secret Service
From Russia With Love
You Only Live Twice
Goldfinger
Thunderball
Dr. No
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 23, 2021, 12:07:16 PM
I love On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

It dials the wackiness of the previous film way back and delivers a down to earth, damn good story with one of the most impactful endings of all the movies. And I love both the main theme the 2nd song "we have all the time in the world".

I always kind of wondered how Connery would have handled the part, but honestly think Lazenby did an excellent job.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on November 24, 2021, 08:03:47 AM
If I'm being honest I've never liked 'Majesty's' much.  Lazenby is poor and has no chemistry with Rigg at all, plus Bond crying, that's a no from me.  Also not keen on the wacky 60's hypnotising girls villain's plan, feels more Man From Uncle than Bond.   It does have some good set pieces though and 'We Have All The Time In The World' is masterful, it's also much better than Diamonds Are Forever which is one of the worst Bonds.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 30, 2021, 05:08:42 AM
Just watched Diamonds Are Forever (1971) with the return of Sean Connery and my reaction to it is fairly 'meh', I would say the weakest of the bunch so far.

Possibly this movie suffers from following OHMSS which I really liked, but while I liked the fact that this one picks up after with Bond seeking revenge on Blofeld, it felt like that element was swept aside pretty fast and he quickly returned to his old womanizing self with little continuity about his wife getting assassinated in the previous movie. And not following that continuity itself could have been fine but it felt weird when the opening sequence is him seeking revenge and then it's pretty much gone. Speaking of Blofeld I think this version of him is probably the weakest. Felt weird that they ditched the bald look - I know they recast him from movie to movie but it felt like they didn't even try with this one. Also while the story trait of "bad guy won't kill Bond and instead tells him his plan and shows him around" is something that appears in many of these movies, it felt the most obnoxious at this point in this movie. Blofeld had Bond under arrest essentially multiple times and even at the end he's showing him around his oil platform to tell him about his plan.

The plot itself about diamonds felt fairly unengaging and I found myself maybe halfway into the movie kinda bored and not following along the plot the best, it just felt a bit average. The 2 hitmen were a standout in the sense that I remembered them from seeing this as a kid, but they felt pretty goofy to me. Wint and Kidd and the way they mentioned each other's name felt a bit silly. One of them looked familiar and apparently he's the dad of Crispin Glover (Back to the Future) and I can see the similarity. There was a pretty good fight scene in my opinion inside an elevator but I thought it was odd at the end of it, Bond switches the wallets so that the woman he's met up undercover won't realize what's going on. However she recognizes the name of James Bond and that scene felt weird to me because Bond is supposed to be a secret agent yet the way the scene played out it felt like he was a name everyone would know. Small nitpick. Some other scenes I enjoyed were Bond getting put in a coffin and sent into a furnace, that was fairly suspenseful I would say. Also him during a car chase getting his car up on two wheels to escape through a narrow alley - a scene you've seen in other movies but I still enjoyed the stunt. Also a nice scene of him sneaking into the penthouse floor of the hotel by climbing it on the outside. Oh, and Q using a gadget to cheat on the slot machines was another scene I remembered.

For me this movie was okay but Sean Connery felt noticeable bored for parts of it and I know they basically dumped money on his lawn to get him to do this film, and I just didn't get the same energy from him that he brought in the earlier movies. Story kinda average, Blofeld was the weakest version of the character yet imo and the Bond girls felt fairly average as well.

I know I got Live and Let Die coming up next and I'm fairly curious to see the Moore movies again. Whenever I look at lists for how other people rank the franchise, it feels quite common for the Moore movies to be in the bottom half and I don't know if there's 1 or 2 of them that ever rank that highly - so I'm curious to kinda find out which one(s) were his best and how good they fare against the rest.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Goldfinger (SC)
Thunderball (SC)
Dr. No (SC)
Diamons Are Forever (SC)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 30, 2021, 07:18:19 AM
Diamonds was actually the very first bond movie I saw and I think I was around 7, so I had no idea what was going on but ate it up  :lol
And it started my love affair with the Bond franchise.

Like Moonraker, I file this one under guilty pleasure. Its whacky and all over the place, but I get a kick out of it. Its a step back from Majesty though.

I will say that Mr. Kidd and Mr. Wint are up there as some of my favorite henchmen. Unassuming, yet deadly and I love their sinister little theme song. Simple stuff like "if god had wanted man to fly Mr Wint, he would have given him wings Mr. Kidd" I always get a kick out of.

Also, love the main theme song. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 30, 2021, 07:34:51 AM
I can confidently say that Diamonds is my least favorite film in the entire franchise. The only film I can call boring.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on November 30, 2021, 09:01:26 AM
However she recognizes the name of James Bond and that scene felt weird to me because Bond is supposed to be a secret agent yet the way the scene played out it felt like he was a name everyone would know.


Bond travels all around the world, constantly telling everyone his real name in high profile settings.  He's the worst "secret agent" ever.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on December 07, 2021, 06:08:11 AM
Just watched Live and Let Die (1973) with the first appearance of Roger Moore in the role and overall I thought it was pretty good.

Right off the bat I must say that the change in scenery and plot from your typical 'bad guy wants to take over the world' to a simpler drug-centric story with some elements of voodoo/spiritualism was actually quite appreciated. Yaphet Kotto (who I know from Alien) gave a pretty entertaining performance even if his villain character suffers from a lot of the same problems as the other ones, like over explaining the plot and toying with Bond instead of just killing him. Jane Seymour as a Bond girl, all I can say there is damn. But aside from the looks I thought her character was given at least some interesting elements with being a fortune teller and then becoming useless to the bad guy after losing that ability. A bit cheesy the way Roger Moore seduces her but it kinda works in the tone of the movie.

The boat chase sequence probably goes down as the highlight of the movie but you also get a memorable scene of Bond escaping captivity by jumping on some crocodiles to reach land. While we're still on the good - does this movie have the best Bond song or not? I've probably heard the Guns n Roses version more than the Paul version over the years but just hearing this in the opening gave me that pumped up feeling of "Yeah let's do this!". I also enjoyed the final chunk when Bond comes to rescue Solitaire and he has to fight some bad guys, though it almost felt comical to introduce that Yaphet Kotto had a secret Blofeld-esque base of operations underground when there was 10 minutes left of the movie. Kinda felt like "It's a Bond movie so we need to plug this in". There were some bad elements too, the death of Yaphet Kotto when he flies up and hits the ceiling and explodes looked pretty comical and they should have just let him be eaten by the sharks and you wouldn't end the bad guy with an unintentional laugh from how silly the death looked. During the boat chase there's also some cops chasing Bond and they feel so out of place even for the type of comedy they put in these movies. They felt way too silly and cartoon like. There's a main henchman with a hook for a hand that was fairly memorable and overall I got some Blaxsplotation vibes from this film, definitely made it feel different to the Connery ones.

Overall I'd place this fairly high in my rankings so far. Not at the top but I'm feeling fairly similar towards this as I felt with You Only Live Twice with Sean Connery - a very entertaining movie with multiple scenes I remember from my childhood, but also a few silly things that knock it down a bit. It's not top tier Bond but in terms of being entertaining I felt it delivered pretty well. I think Moore does fine in this movie, the biggest hurdle with him I suppose is that he doesn't quite have that vibe of 'I'm a badass secret agent' that I feel both Connery and Lazenby could pull off. Next week it's The Man With the Golden Gun!

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
Thunderball (SC)
Dr. No (SC)
Diamons Are Forever (SC)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 07, 2021, 07:55:41 AM
Live and let die is definitely one of my favorite Moore Bond films, although I don't ever watch as much as I should.

Just a great movie, with a lot of interesting aspects and characters. It feels very fresh too. And man do I love Baron Samedi. Dude is mysterious and threatening.

And even though I don't like Mccartney, the theme song is damn good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 07, 2021, 10:11:28 AM
The series has never had a boat chase like the one it LaLD, which makes that movie unique. Time to bring those back!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on December 10, 2021, 11:45:56 PM
One of my favorites, and one I've seen the most often. That boat chase goes on a bit too long for me now, but it doesn't bother me much. Sheriff Pepper always gets a chuckle out of me. Not a 5 star movie but enjoyable and a solid transition to Moore - though I can't say how I would have felt about it in real time, as I wasn't exposed to Bond till later. Feels like Bond is more proactive here than just stumbling around and spending half the film captured, like it seems Connery's Bond does for much of Goldfinger or Thunderball, for example.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on December 11, 2021, 08:21:32 AM
I haven’t seen it in years, but I only remember that the movie seemed like Bond doing a Blaxploitation film and I thought that the ending was laughably ridiculous. So I’ve never carried much of a high opinion of this movie. (Well…except for Jane Seymour, obviously)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on December 18, 2021, 11:06:08 AM
Wasn't able to watch The Man With The Golden Gun (1974) until today, busy week with starting a new job on Monday so had to post-pone the movie from Tuesday, but will try to keep up and watch one a week still. :P

So this is one I feel very torn on. I think the opening is intriguing and pulls you in, I think Christopher Lee is one of the strongest Bond villains so far - maybe more because of his screen presence than how his character is written. He's a badass assassin (try that for a tongue twister) with a gimmicky golden gun and his own luxury island, so in a way he's a pretty generic Bond villain and we've seen this type of character before. Yet any time he's on screen and he talks, he's just so great. I'm possibly biased as I love the LOTR trilogy and think he's wonderful as Saruman but even 30 years prior to that he gave a very good performance here IMO. Nick Nack is a memorable henchman, possibly on the annoying side of the spectrum but I remembered him clearly from my childhood and having a colorful/odd henchman seems to be a staple of the series as well - Oddjob and Wint/Kidd being before this, and I know Jaws will soon make his appearance. I think the ending portion when Bond arrives at Scaramanga's island and the whole last 20 minutes or so are very good by the standards set by the films so far. The portion in the funhouse is just classic stuff.

However I do think the story itself feels rather weak. I think big portions of the whole middle chunk of the movie either drags or lost my interest. It felt like maybe a 30 minute stretch of Christopher Lee not appearing on screen at all and that's kinda when I was losing interest in it. Some nice shot scenes in Macao (?) but you also got some of the weaker sillier parts of the franchise like Bond finding himself at like a Karate tournament? Could have been another martial art as well, I'm no expert. Him fighting Sumo wrestlers also felt a bit slapstick. The silly southern cop from Live and Let Die makes a second appearance - bad decision for me because I strongly disliked that little character in Live and Let Die. Weird choice to bring him back and the few scenes he is in are painful to watch. However, I do need to mention that car stunt because that was great.

I need to sleep on it but I'm kinda feeling similar about this as I did with Thunderball. There's some great stuff, some weak stuff and a section of the movie I just thought was a bit boring. Overall I'm on the positive side of the spectrum and I think for now I would put it just above Thunderball but below Goldfinger. What do you guys feel about the movie? :)

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Dr. No (SC)
Diamons Are Forever (SC)
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Post by: Phoenix87x on December 18, 2021, 12:48:04 PM
When I think about Golden Gun, I think kind of meh.

Is it awful? No
Is it incredible? No

Its more of a mixed bag. Lee does a great job, but despite seeing it more than most bond films, I couldn't tell you what the plot was. The legit corkscrew car stunt is amazing, but undermined by the dumb slide sound affect.

Not much else to say
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Post by: Cool Chris on December 18, 2021, 02:47:17 PM
I have not seen this one in a long time, but I have fond memories of it. When I was big in to the Bond series, say in high school/college, this was one of my favorites. I do recall the pacing being a bit sluggish in parts, which is a common issue I have with many of the Connery/Moore films. I highly enjoyed Scaramanga, but in retrospect, other than the magnitude of the actor, was there really that much about him that sets him apart from Drax or Stromberg or any other one-dimensional, forgettable villains? I loved the shootout at the end, just the notion that Bond would engage in such a primitive ritual, not for Queen and/or Country, but for his own pride, thrilled me. And he spins around to find himself alone. Great fun!
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Post by: Zantera on December 21, 2021, 12:33:02 PM
Alright, The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) is now out of the way as well! :)

From what I gather based on popular opinion, it seems to be between this one and Live and Let Die for the fans favorite Roger Moore movie, though you get a few oddities who might have Moonraker as their favorite or something. So I went into this with a decent amount of hype. I noted that it was directed by the same guy who made You Only Live Twice and to me this felt kinda similar in some ways. A very classic Bond movie with tons of memorable parts to it, and a finale of the movie that takes place in a big base.

Solid opening to the movie and some bad CGI effects aside when Bond is skiing down the mountain, that final jump and the parachute was an exciting intro. I would say the Bond girl is at least a bit interesting in contrast to many others so far, I like the fact that Bond killed her love in the opening and there is some tension there. This movie definitely had a lot of parts I remembered from my childhood. Who could forget Jaws? Possibly the most memorable henchman out of them all, a giant dude with metal teeth who is an unstoppable force essentially and uses his teeth to kill his victims. Add to that the secret underwater base Atlantis that comes out of the ocean - pretty memorable, the Lotus car that Bond drives that can drive underwater and I would also say pretty much the entirety of Cairo is great stuff - very classic Bond.

For me this movie is in that category as the likes of Live and Let Die, You Only Live Twice and Goldfinger - and it's a very enjoyable classic Bond movie. If we are gonna dive into a few flaws I would say that the bad guy itself is fairly mediocre and feels like a Blofeld 2.0, even though I highly enjoyed the scene when he feeds his secretary to the shark to the sound of classical music. And also while it's a minor nitpick, when you see the Atlantis base from the outside and then you see scenes from the inside, in my mind at least it's hard to buy that it's the same location. I will also say that while I enjoy Roger Moore's different take on Bond, he really feels at his weakest when matched up against Jaws and I just don't buy him as kickass secret agent. Overall I have a feeling Roger Moore will rank towards the bottom on my list mostly because there's a few others I like a lot, but I am still enjoying him so far. I think it's easier to buy him as a suave infiltrator agent who doesn't have to use much force, but when he's put into those positions of fighting it does come off as a bit silly.

Still, I think this one is highly entertaining but I gotta admit right now I'm very torn on whether this or Live and Let Die is my favorite Roger Moore movie so far. This one feels more classic, it has all those hallmarks of a Bond movie but I also enjoyed how different Live and Let Die felt. Still, two great movies and a good one (Man with the Golden Gun) so far. Hopefully with Christmas/New Years holiday coming up I'll be able to add a few more during that week. :)

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Dr. No (SC)
Diamons Are Forever (SC)
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Post by: Phoenix87x on December 21, 2021, 02:49:56 PM
Spy who loved is in my top 3 Bond films along with Goldeneye and On her majesty's secret service.

Its just very memorable in so many ways. Jaws as the perfect henchmen, the genocidal main villain, Triple X being an equal to Bond and them having to work together. The awesome stunts and exotic locations as well.

And even though the Aston Martin will always be a classic, I've always loved the Lotus. And that chase scene is up there as one of my all time favorites.

My one and only nitpick is the dated late 70's disco themed soundtrack. As an adult I kind of get a kick out of it, but as a kid it always stuck out like a sore thumb, lol 
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 21, 2021, 05:46:54 PM
Yeah Spy is one of the ‘big tamales’ for me, no doubt about it.
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Post by: Cool Chris on December 21, 2021, 07:27:10 PM
Coming off two films I always highly enjoyed, I have so little recollection of this one. I know the awesome parachute scene at the beginning, leading in to the great opening theme, Jaws, the beautiful Barbara Bach, and very little else. I have no idea what Stromberg's(?) evil plan was. I remember last time I watched it years ago, I came away at the end thinking how it felt like so little happened throughout that ~2 hours.

I do remember it blew my mind with the gal addressed Q as Major Boothroyd. HOW DID SHE KNOW HIS NAME?!
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Post by: Volante99 on December 24, 2021, 12:08:20 PM
The mistake the Daniel Craig films made was trying to make everything personal. We learn about his childhood, the main villain is his step-brother (eye-roll), his motivation is to save his family, he has TWO serious relationships throughout the series. It was an interesting take on the character, but it didn’t work for me

Bond has an appeal because he’s (usually) OUTSIDE of the plot. He’s a fly in the “bad guy’s” ointment, a monkey in the wrench, the foil for the evil international organization. He places himself into a situation way bigger than him but somehow saves the world and gets the girl in the end. You can dress it up anyway you want, with varying levels of seriousness/comedy but THAT’S the Bond formula.
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Post by: Cool Chris on December 24, 2021, 01:30:08 PM
Interesting take. Not sure how much I agree, but I had never considered that before.
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Post by: El Barto on December 24, 2021, 04:00:10 PM
Coming off two films I always highly enjoyed, I have so little recollection of this one. I know the awesome parachute scene at the beginning, leading in to the great opening theme, Jaws, the beautiful Barbara Bach, and very little else. I have no idea what Stromberg's(?) evil plan was. I remember last time I watched it years ago, I came away at the end thinking how it felt like so little happened throughout that ~2 hours.

I do remember it blew my mind with the gal addressed Q as Major Boothroyd. HOW DID SHE KNOW HIS NAME?!
It's been a while, but I believe Stromberg was going to raise the sea levels to create his own island and reboot humanity. Shame that it's been so long because it's one of my top three, as well. The locations were great. The stunts were great. Barbara Bach looked great. Definitely a winner.


The mistake the Daniel Craig films made was trying to make everything personal. We learn about his childhood, the main villain is his step-brother (eye-roll), his motivation is to save his family, he has TWO serious relationships throughout the series. It was an interesting take on the character, but it didn’t work for me

Bond has an appeal because he’s (usually) OUTSIDE of the plot. He’s a fly in the “bad guy’s” ointment, a monkey in the wrench, the foil for the evil international organization. He places himself into a situation way bigger than him but somehow saves the world and gets the girl in the end. You can dress it up anyway you want, with varying levels of seriousness/comedy but THAT’S the Bond formula.
Excellent take. I've always had a different problem with the Craig movies, which is that he's so utterly depressing and joyless. True to the original character, I know, but not what I want to see in a movie. That does tie right in with what you're saying, though. He's never really the outsider. Detachment is a key thing with the early Bonds. Connery never seemed to honestly care if the diabolical plan succeeded or not. He just wanted to have a good time and thwarting it was how he got his kicks.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on December 24, 2021, 05:16:37 PM
I'm not really into the Craig ones either for those same reasons mentioned above. 

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Post by: Volante99 on December 24, 2021, 09:46:27 PM
With all of that said…Casino Royale is still in my top 5 Bond movies (maybe top 3 on a good day). While the whole Daniel Craig series as a whole could have used more humor/joy- his first movie was a much needed course correction after Die Another Day, which is not only the worst Bond film in the series, I actually rank it amongst one of the worst major studio films I’ve ever seen.
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Post by: soupytwist on December 25, 2021, 04:39:28 AM
In gaming terms : I love Casino Royale but always think of Quantum as a really shitty and rushed out expansion/DLC for it. 

Spy is a good Bond film, but the actual character of Bond is really annoying in it - Roger normally walked just on the right side of smug, obnoxious prick, but here he crosses the line.  The scene where Triple X is trying to drive the van, while Jaws is ripping it apart is so cringe as Bond delivers about 10 awful quips in a row.  It used to be my favourite Roger Bond film, but I think For Your Eyes Only has surpassed it on recent rewatches.
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Post by: Volante99 on December 25, 2021, 02:15:08 PM
Quantum isn’t good but I think it’s a bit unfairly maligned- it’s a middle to middle bottom of the series- there are some good moments- like the Opera scene where Bond exposes all the Quantum group. QoS SHOULD have been the introduction to Spectre though. Basically, Bond should have slowly moved his way to the top of the organization with the ending culminating with the introduction of Blofeld as the puppet master then you lead into the final confrontation/showdown in the next movie (I would have combined the Silva and Blofeld characters)- Blofeld could have been a disgruntled former MI6 agent bent on world domination (rather than him being Bond’s bitter step-brother, ugh). BOOM- there you have a good 3 story trilogy arc.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 25, 2021, 02:44:17 PM
Outside of the underwhelming villain Dominik Green, I have always enjoyed QoS. But I will fully admit it has its flaws.

I know they didn't have the SPECTRE rights at first, but switching gears mid race from Quantum to SPECTRE was very sloppily done and didn't do the Craig saga any favors.
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Post by: soupytwist on December 25, 2021, 04:24:35 PM
Quantum is by far my worst.
Crap villain with a crap evil plan (stealing water...), Crap theme song, crappy quick cut action sequences that completely remove any sense of geography and even for a Craig bond it lacks any humour or fun. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on December 26, 2021, 01:19:11 AM
As I'm going through the older ones, I definitely feel my overall opinion on the Craig era getting a bit lukewarm. That's not to say there's not great movies (Casino Royale and Skyfall are up there) but the overall serious portrayal of the character and them pushing a 'everything is connected' storyline that carries over are some negatives for me as well. Craig did give us a more Jason Bourne-style Bond and he is a fit with the more brutish Bond who can pack a punch but I do feel he lacks a bit in the charm area and I think he'll end up in my bottom 3 when I finalize my thoughts after re-watching all of them.

Speaking of the re-watching, I'm probably doing Moonraker today or tomorrow and then I'm hopeful I might be able to get 2 or 3 more out of the way this week - gotta take advantage of the extra time off from work, because once work starts again it's back to limited time.  :lol
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Post by: Zantera on December 27, 2021, 08:14:08 AM
Alright let's get silly and talk about Moonraker (1979).

Usually when a franchise goes to space whether it's James Bond, Friday the 13th or Hellraiser - it's usually the moment they jump the shark and have completely ran out of ideas. This was one I remembered pretty decently from my childhood, but then again just the fact you can say "It's the Bond movie where he goes to space" kinda separates it from all the rest of them. I can totally understand why some might have this close to the bottom of their rankings if they prefer a more grounded Bond movie, but I can also see why some have it fairly high because it is very entertaining and as skeptical I was about the silliness of the space part, that actually ended up being the strongest part of the movie to me.

But if we go back to the start I think the opening is fairly decent with Bond escaping out of a plane and acquiring a parachute mid air. It's a fairly thrilling sequence and we get to see Jaws again - I'll get back to him. The main story itself feels slightly weak but we're soon introduced to Drax who for some reason reminded me a bit of Peter Dinklage - both the look of him but also the way he spoke. I will say that the first half of the movie or so feels a bit by-the-numbers and we get a few set pieces almost out of obligation at this point. A chase in the canals of Venice, another chase in Rio where Bond escapes with a glider and you get some hilarious greenscreen shots. But I do think the final chunk of the movie actually does a lot to redeem it. While Jaws is portrayed as more comedic and silly in this movie (even getting his own love interest) I actually liked the 'twist' of him helping Bond at the end and changing sides. And while the plot itself isn't super interesting, I do think everything on the Space Station at the end is enjoyable to watch. I'm not a 100% sure on how to rank this with the rest because it comes down to enjoyment vs quality but I think at least the last portion brought enjoyment and that alone bumps it up a bit for me.

Current ranking would look something like:

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)

But a few of these I do consider in contention - like I probably enjoyed Moonraker more than Thunderball but the latter felt like a better made film, I'm still very undecided on the Spy Who Loved Me/You Only Live Twice/Live and Let Die/Goldfinger portion of my list as I consider all 4 of those pretty equal.

Next up (probably tomorrow) I'll do For Your Eyes Only which should be interesting because it's a title that doesn't evoke any memories at all, unlike Moonraker, Octopussy or A View to a Kill (where I can remember scenes/actors from the movie without thinking) so I'm kinda curious to revisit this one to see if there's anything I remember and also if I like it or not. :P
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Post by: El Barto on December 27, 2021, 10:50:20 AM

Next up (probably tomorrow) I'll do For Your Eyes Only which should be interesting because it's a title that doesn't evoke any memories at all, unlike Moonraker, Octopussy or A View to a Kill (where I can remember scenes/actors from the movie without thinking) so I'm kinda curious to revisit this one to see if there's anything I remember and also if I like it or not. :P
For Your Eyes Only is highly underrated. After Moonraker they toned things way down and made a somewhat more serious movie, just when it was needed. I always hated Moonraker, and unfortunately it came at entirely the wrong time. Moore was really hitting his stride, and Golden Gun, Spy, and FYEO was a great run save for a turd stuck right in the middle of it.

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On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
That's actually a pretty good ranking, though I didn't care for OHMSS, mostly because I didn't like TS's Blofeld.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 27, 2021, 02:52:14 PM
Sure, Moonraker went off the rails but I've always loved it. I've certainly never been bored watching it.

I think one of my favorite moments in the entire series is when Jaws is chasing them in the carnival parade, can't get to them since he's caught in the crowd. Just says fuck it and starts partying and dancing  :lol

Another interesting aspect of this movie is it has a supposed Mandela effect and I swear to god that I thought Jaw's girlfriend had braces, lol. And it would have worked nice since it compliments Jaw's teeth. I definitely prefer the reality/universe/dimension where she had them, lol.
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Post by: Zantera on December 28, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
Getting through these quite fast with time off, just finished For Your Eyes Only (1981). :)

Right off the bat I definitely remembered/recognized the intro sequence where you think "Blofeld" has the upper hand on Bond only for him to turn the tables and drop "Blofeld" into a chimney. I would say as far as openings go, this is probably one of the most memorable out of the bunch but I would also say it feels slightly controversial. I know there were some rights issues with the use of Blofeld and Spectre and I guess that's why they didn't use any of that in the Roger Moore films, however this feels almost like a wink-wink "these kind of villains of the franchise are silly so lets kill him in a funny way". And I think having finished the movie and seen the rather generic/forgettable villain they did end up with, having some fun at Blofeld's expense feels maybe a bit silly. Sure you can poke fun of the bald guy in his wheelchair with a white cat being a silly villain, but Blofeld is very memorable at least. :P

This is a pretty entertaining movie though and unlike some other films where I've criticized them for dragging in the first half, I think this one actually has a decent amount of steam through most of its runtime. If there's any negative though I feel the plot itself is very forgettable to the point where 45 minutes into the movie, I had completely forgotten about the sunk submarine from the start of the movie considering the great fun set pieces of the car chase in Italy and the Ski chase had very little to do with that plot (it felt like). But those sequences were quite thrilling and they also brought back Bond playing cards at a casino table which feels like it had been absent for a while in these films. There's still some silly things like Bond fighting some hockey players and the little love thing between him and the young ice skater (mostly from her side) kinda feels awkward because Roger Moore looks a lot older.

The underwater sequence was when I started to feel slightly bored and was worried that the ending would be a let down but I think it picks up again when Bond and the Bond-girl are dragged behind the villain's boat on a rope and I quite liked the setting for the end with the fort up on the big hill and Bond scaling it to infiltrate. Overall this might not beat out Live and Let Die or The Spy Who Loved Me in terms of Roger Moore movies, however I do think it's very entertaining and quality-wise I would put it on the level of The Man With the Golden Gun. I think that movie has a stronger villain who delivers a more memorable performance, and the climax is possibly stronger, but this one felt more enjoyable all the way through. Not top tier Bond, but you could have this on in the background and get a lot of enjoyment from the multiple set pieces IMO.

Next up I will do Octopussy before taking a quick break from Roger Moore to do Never Say Never Again with Connery (I had to double check which one came out first in 83) before finishing the Moore run with A View to a Kill. I remember a decent amount from Octopussy actually, I think it was one of those I watched the most as a kid (I think my dad had taped it on VHS) and I remember Roger Moore as a clown, something about faberge eggs, I think there's a train, set in India and Maud Addams returning. Never Say Never Again isn't part of the official run but I know a lot of people include it, and a lot of people strongly dislike it so I can't say my hopes are that big there.  :lol I remember some stuff from A View to a Kill as well, Roger Moore looking VERY old, Christopher Walken, Grace Jones, and I think this was also one I saw a lot as a kid.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on December 29, 2021, 12:31:28 AM
Octopussy is bad with a seriously confused plot, I still have no idea what's going on with those eggs!  It's a toss up for me if this or Golden Gun for Rogers weakest outing.
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Post by: Zantera on December 29, 2021, 01:52:02 AM
Octopussy is bad with a seriously confused plot, I still have no idea what's going on with those eggs!  It's a toss up for me if this or Golden Gun for Rogers weakest outing.

Haha your thoughts on the plot lines up with what I was thinking last night when I watched Octopussy (1983).  :lol

So I guess first thing's first - this movie is by no means a great Bond movie. Heck, I'd even hesitate to say it's good. I did find it watchable but I also think a lot of it is for nostalgic reasons as I found myself remembering a decent chunk of this from my childhood. If we start with the positives I think the opening bit with 009 as a clown being chased and assassinated is fairly memorable and does its best to catch your interest. I think most of the India stuff is fun when it's on screen and I get similar enjoyment as I did from Moonraker's final act where it's not top-tier Bond stuff but the things that are happening are fairly entertaining to watch. I did make a note that this movie felt a bit inspired by Indiana Jones and I noted the dinner scene when Moore is served really disgusting looking food had a striking resemblance to a similar scene in Temple of Doom, but I realized Temple of Doom came out the next year so either they got that from Octopussy or it was just a coincidence. I did enjoy the villains in a 'saturday morning cartoon show' kind of way, you have Kamal Khan who is meant to be this imposing bad guy but every 5 minutes he's like "oh gosh darnit, Bond outsmarted me again" and you also have the big muscular stonefaced indian henchman who I don't even know if his name was revealed?

But like you said, the plot feels really weak this time. I actually looked up some reviews to gain some insight into what I just witnessed and some guy said he had seen it 4 times and still had no idea how the faberge eggs were connected to the nuclear warheads and I must admit I didn't really pick up on that either. With a couple of these Bond movies, I feel maybe especially in the Roger Moore era, it feels like the plot took the backseat and it became more about "getting to the next fun set piece" and never has that felt more clear than with Octopussy. Roger Moore also looks visibly old and tired at this point (though we're not at A View to a Kill yet) and the story is maybe the weakest it has been, however I can't even put this one at the bottom because I did get enjoyment out of some of those action parts. There's a fun little sequence at the start when Bond flies a plane, there's a pretty good little chase through the streets of India and I enjoyed the train sequence. This doesn't belong that high up my list, but if I had to put on a movie just for entertainment I do think this one would beat out a few of my other bottom picks. But I'm also willing to admit that a huge part of that is probably nostalgia, and I remember this being one of the Bond movies I watched the most as a kid as we had it on VHS. :P

Today I will do Never Say Never Again and depending on time, A View to a Kill (if I don't find time for both I'll do the latter tomorrow)  :angel:

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Octopussy (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on December 29, 2021, 09:31:50 AM
Apologies for spamming but I've really been in the mood for movies so I also did Never Say Never Again (1983).

This might be a shorter write-up because this is the weakest one so far for me. I was lukewarm on Thunderball as you guys might remember, and even though I knew about the script and how this was made and that it was essentially a remake, the sort of note I made after this was "Like Thunderball but worse". If Roger looked tired and old in Octopussy I don't think Sean looks any better in this and even though you have some recognizable faces appearing in this - Kim Basinger, Max Von Sydow and Mr. Bean himself, Rowan Atkinson, it never really amounted to much enjoyment. I think the most fun I had was the first appearance of Q when he and Bond has some banter about 'slashing the budget' (which I thought was a reference to this film but apparently it had a 10 mil higher budget than Octopussy) as well as Q telling Bond that he hopes with him back that we'll get "lots of sex and explosions" (or something to that affect).

Ultimately though this was a very lukewarm viewing experience without any real highpoints to it. And even though I still have plenty of movies left in the series I could say with some confidence that I think this might remain the bottom spot simply because there's no reason to watch this. And it feels like such a shame that the great Irvin Kershner who made The Empire Strikes Back made this film which just feels so bland. I also wanted to mention the scene where Bond plays some sort of Battleship videogame against the bad guy and it just felt so silly. Thunderball is a better version of this story and I didn't even feel that strongly about Thunderball!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 29, 2021, 09:34:42 AM
The Indian Henchman’s name from Octopussy is Gobinda. They say it once I believe
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on December 29, 2021, 11:40:16 AM
I said this previously in this thread, but when I saw it as a kid, that video game was one of the most awesome things I had ever seen in a movie. I do not recall anything else from that film but it's probably been 20+ years since I've seen it. 

For Your Eyes Only was a favorite from my youth. I thought the ending rock climbing bit was a bit too slow but maybe I just didn't appreciate the tension it was trying to build at that age. I do remembering also liking how Bond had to keep rebuffing the figure skater, and that Bond tossed the ATAC and declared it "Detente" to General Gogol. A cool Cold War moment, I thought.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on December 29, 2021, 03:30:53 PM
It's been a rough patch in this franchise with the last couple and it's not getting much better yet with A View to a Kill (1985).  :lol

When the theme song to your Bond movie is the best thing about it, you know that's a warning sign. I'm sure some people don't like it but I've been getting into these 80s bands as I've grown older and while I haven't heard much Duran Duran, I thought the theme song to this was great and one of my favorites so far. If we stick with positives I will say that Christopher Walken is captivating as always and Grace Jones make for a memorable henchman, and when the two of them are on screen - much like Christopher Lee in TMWTGG, the movie is fairly enjoyable. And just from a personal point of view, I remembered a decent amount from this film and recognized most of the first half with all the horse-related stuff but also the sequence at the Eiffel tower.

But Roger Moore looks really old and tired and even though he's in decent shape for 58, you get some distractingly obvious younger stuntmen, and the main romance feels very awkward. I also can't help but shake the feeling of "Been there done that" through most of the movie whether it's the skiing action scene at the start or the firetruck chase later in the movie, nothing about this really feels particularly memorable or interesting. I mentioned Walken and Jones before and I feel like the script lets them down and I can't help but feel that any movie that wastes Walken is just a missed opportunity. I feel quite similar to this as I did with Connery's "real" final outing - Diamonds are Forever, where you can kinda tell their heart isn't in it as much, they look visibly old and nothing about the script really stands out. For me it's a toss up of which one of these I will rank lower than the other, I think A View to Kill does have a fairly memorable first half (mostly cause I saw it a lot as a kid) and the climax at the Golden Gate Bridge, but there's probably a good hour between that which is entirely forgettable.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Octopussy (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
A View to a Kill (RM)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
Never Say Never Again (SC)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 29, 2021, 04:16:17 PM
For your eyes only - meh (but when he kicks the car off the cliff is cool)

Octapussy -meh

Never say never again- meh

A view to a kill - meh (but Walken is cool)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on December 29, 2021, 08:23:23 PM
For your eyes only - meh (but when he kicks the car off the cliff is cool)

Forgot about that scene, always liked that as well. I don't need Bond to be a cold-blooded killer or even Jack Reacher, but sometimes it is a little personal.

A View to a Kill had to have been my first Bond film in a theater. If I had seen Bond movies before that on TV, which knowing my mom's love for them, I am sure I did, this was the first I was able to appreciate as a growing kid able to follow a complex (well, for me at the time) plot and such. I saw bits on TV recently and was surprised how much was familiar. I probably haven't watched it straight through in 20 years. Top notch theme as well. And a great music video.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on December 29, 2021, 08:43:49 PM
Now onto the best Bond, Dalton.  Both movies are pretty great, but Daltons performance pushes then into top tier category.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on December 30, 2021, 02:05:43 AM
Before sleep yesterday I watched The Living Daylights (1987) and curious how controversial this will be but I think this is my favorite so far out of the re-watch.

Timothy Dalton comes in with a very energetic performance and I'm slightly biased as I remember having a big fondness for him as a kid as well, but to me he just perfectly plays the character of Bond. I think he brings the slightly more serious tone (with a few comedic lines) but he feels like a bit of a tortured soul and someone who has been through the ringer. Right off the bat I think the training mission gone wrong is a good intro and I loved that shot of the agents jumping out of the plane. I would say the first hour or so of this movie is nonstop fantastic top-tier Bond as we get a great proper opening with Bond as a sniper trying to smuggle a Russian defector out of Czechoslovakia. There's a fun scene of the milkman infiltrating the secret service base to bring the Russian back which results in a good kitchen fight scene. But probably the greatest set piece for me was the whole car chase with Bond and Kara escaping the country into Austria. They brought back the Aston Martin and this model looks really good, it has some great gadgets (using a laser to separate a police car from its wheels was fun) and at this point I couldn't believe I never heard that many positives about this movie because I was really loving it.

I do think the second half loses some steam though and the Afghanistan chunk of the movie isn't AS exciting but I still found myself really interested. For me what really makes this movie is Dalton though and even though I like the other Bonds as well, I think the fact I like him so much probably helps paper over some cracks that I will admit are still there. I like his chemistry with Kara and I like how she is there for the whole ride of this movie and I also like his friendship with Saunders and when the latter is killed, there's a great emotional reaction by Dalton before he pursues the killer. The highlight in the second half for me was probably the cargo plane part with Bond and the bad guy hanging off the back on the net - quite thrilling. If I were to say any negatives though I will say the bad guys in this movie don't really stand out too much but also the way they are taken out in a short scene after the real movie 'ends' feels a bit awkward. Like Bond wraps up the Afghanistan part and then goes to the bad guy's home and takes him out. I also wanted to bring up actors I recognize from other things like John Rhys-Davies (Gimli himself) as General Pushkin, John Terry as Felix Leiter (Christian Shepherd in Lost) and Art Malik who plays Kamran Shah (the main terrorist in True Lies), seeing them kinda brought a smile to my face.

I feel quite conflicted how to rank this though because a part of me is tempted to put this at the top of the movie's I've seen so far, but another part of me is whispering "No but you can't put it over On Her Majesty's Secret Service or From Russia With Love because those are classics". I was pleasantly surprised because from my memory, the Dalton movies had the reputation of "License to Kill is really great and then there's the other one" but I thought this one was really strong. I'm very hyped for License to Kill now. I also quite dug the theme song to this, maybe not as much as A View to a Kill but still a solid one. I know in general people either seem to love Dalton or be quite lukewarm on him so I'm not sure how this opinion will go down here.  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 30, 2021, 08:22:39 AM
I'm pretty mixed on Living Daylights.

Starts out incredible and I truly love the beginning half of the film, but the second they step into Afghanistan I just want to turn it off. And because of that, I rarely watch this one.

While I love Dalton in other stuff (like hotfuzz), I just was never too hot on him as Bond. Pierce is more my cup of tea and knowing that this movie was supposed to have him, makes me wish it just was him instead. Dalton does a great job though, its just not my flavor.

Also, I could never take Joe don baker's character seriously as a villain. Just some grown ass guy that likes to play with army men and toys, and who acts goofy. He also wears a military uniform, but is he even in a military or just role playing. That character alone is a big part of why I don't ever watch The Living daylights.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on December 30, 2021, 11:29:46 PM
I forgot Joe Don Baker was in this. In fact, reading Zantera's post made me realize how much of this film I've forgotten. Joe Don Baker was so good as CIA agent Wade in the Brosnan films. What's up with this franchise casting the same actor in different roles across multiple films??
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volante99 on January 01, 2022, 10:39:44 PM
Top 10 Bond films for me

1. Goldfinger
2. Goldeneye
3. Casino Royale
4. From Russia With Love
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
6. You Only Live Twice
7. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
8. The Man with the Golden Gun
9. For Your Eyes Only
10. Diamonds Are Forever (guilty pleasure pick- so bad it’s good)

The rest all hover between meh to mediocre- all are watchable, though, and not the WORST way to spend two hours, with the exception of Die Another Day; the worst of the series, absolutely dreadful- kill it with fire.

Most overrated- Skyfall, OHMSS (sorely missing Connery here, good but not top tier)

Most underrated- Quantum of Solace (not as bad as it’s reputation), Tomorrow Never Dies/World is Not Enough (have their flaws but overall solid entries- lots to like here)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 03, 2022, 07:01:12 AM
Coming in with probably a very hot take and my thoughts on License to Kill (1989) - the final outing of Timothy Dalton and what I would consider the last Bond movie of the 'classic' era, as the 6 year gap to GoldenEye and the re-casting of Bond always made me look at those movies forward as more of a 'modern Bond', and before that they seemed to crank these movies out every 2 years or so.

So I really liked this movie. Spoilers. I've looked around and this seems to be a fairly controversial one because people either have it in their top10 or it's fairly low and very rarely do I see it in people's top 5 or so. It doesn't really feel like the other Bond movies that came before it and I think that could be viewed as a positive and a negative, there's not as much humor and the story is fairly dark, the portrayal of Bond is very detached from Roger Moore doing silly faces and Tarzan yells just a couple of years prior. I think back to when Daniel Craig took over and there was a lot of praise for the more dark/serious take on Bond and I kinda feel like this movie had already done that. No disrespect to Craig, but License to Kill in my opinion does a lot of the great things that the Craig movies did, except 15-20 years earlier.

But if we start at the beginning, I really like the opening where they catch our main bad guy Sanchez by hooking his plane to their helicopter in a scene that reminded me a bit of the opening to Dark Knight Rises. I like the set up of Felix getting married and I like what happens to him and his wife that sets the story up for Bond to go rogue. The movie feels very 80s and I could see this going down as a strong negative for people but as a big fan of 80s action, it felt a bit refreshing that this movie changed the mood a bit. There's even a scene later when Q shows up to introduce new classical silly gadgets to Bond and I love the way Timothy Dalton responds to it almost in a "We don't have time for this" way by telling them they should all get some sleep instead.  :lol

I liked the Bond-girl in The Living Daylights and how her innocence felt like a nice compliment to Dalton's portrayal of Bond but for other reasons I really liked Carey Lowell as Pam in this one. She felt like a very capable Bond girl who brought something other than looking pretty, and there's a great first proper meeting between her and Bond at a small bar where she asks him if he is packing - and a funny payoff with him showing his tiny gun and her showing a shotgun. That whole part is great, they escape, she gets shot but it becomes clear that she can carry her own weight and becomes a good sidekick to him.

I like Bond infiltrating the Sanchez organization because for a movie franchise about a secret spy, it feels like infiltrating hasn't always been a big plot point in many of the films. I also really like the bad guys - the main guy Sanchez (Robert Davi) might feel like your typical drug baron, and a young Benicio Del Toro is to some extent the typical 'loose cannon' hotshot henchman who will kinda do crazy things. But they feel like realistic real villains in a more real world and the whole drug plot (while very 80's) feels refreshing after so many movies where a guy wants to rule the world. And finally I need to talk about the tanker chase sequence at the end because that is quite possibly the strongest action set piece so far of the franchise (17 movies in) and parts of it almost felt like a homage to Mad Max. For a movie I had highly enjoyed up to that point, this whole ending was the cherry on top like they say. Just a wonderful thrilling action scene.

License to Kill was a blast to me, but I can see why some people might not like it. It doesn't really have that Bond-feel to it, and you do get less jokes than most of the other ones. I gotta give some props to director John Glen though because while he made some of the weakest entries to the franchise IMO (Octopussy and A View to a Kill), I think that the two Dalton movies more than make up for that. My final controversial take will be that I'm placing this as my nr1 for now - but I have a strong hunch that it will be dethroned because there are 2 more Bond movies to go that I have seen more times that I know are very high for me. :)


License to Kill (TD)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Living Daylights (TD)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Octopussy (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
A View to a Kill (RM)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
Never Say Never Again (SC)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 03, 2022, 10:20:16 AM
There's a great movie in License to Kill, but its not my thing. And I've never really enjoyed it since it doesn't feel like a bond movie.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on January 03, 2022, 11:15:31 AM
Dalton is the best Bond, shame he's replaced by the bland department store model Brosnan.  Could you imagine what Dalton could have done with Goldeneye (they should have cast Sean Bean as Bond, not the villain).
Oh well on to Brosnans bland BMW driving corporate Bond...Goldeneye is a classic.  Tomorrow is decent mainly for Michelle Yeoh (terrible villain though).  World is not Enough is tedious and had the blandest action setpieces of the modern Bonds.  Die Another Day is crap, but it's slightly better than World as it's never boring, it's just utterly stupid.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 03, 2022, 12:06:56 PM
Before I get into GoldenEye next I should say I do like Brosnan (partly because he was 'MY' Bond growing up as he was the face of the franchise when I got into it) and he feels like a nice amalgamation of Connery and Moore where he has touches of both and I do think he's fairly solid. He's mostly let down by the movies themselves. As great as I think GoldenEye is (this will be clear soon) I would have almost given anything for a third Dalton movie though!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 03, 2022, 01:42:26 PM
Brosnan...feels like a nice amalgamation of Connery and Moore where he has touches of both and I do think he's fairly solid. He's mostly let down by the movies themselves.

That's been my feeling for a while. Moore was my "growing" up, and I felt Brosnan was a reasonable extension of the role. It helped I knew him from Remington Steele. I don't think I ever watched it, but maybe my mom did and that gave me some familiarity.

I love me some Sean Bean, and thought he was stellar in Goldeneye, especially after coming off so many forgettable villains. It has never occurred to me what he would have been like in the 007 role.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 03, 2022, 01:56:06 PM
I love Sean Bean and wouldn't have minded seeing him given a shot as Bond, but ultimately I think he works better as a villain. Would have been interesting though.

Thoroughly enjoy Brosnan, I just think he had bad material to work with outside of Goldeneye.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 03, 2022, 04:55:02 PM
GoldenEye features some recycled elements from what was supposed to be Dalton’s third film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 04, 2022, 03:55:35 AM
I just finished my re-watch of GoldenEye (1995) and from now on I think the tempo until the end will pick up as I'm more familiar with these movies and have seen all of them fairly recently and I already have a lot of thoughts to compile before even re-watching them again.

So this is one that I went into this whole franchise re-watch expecting to come out as my nr1 or nr2 and having just finished it, I think that will end up being the case. There's only 1 more movie to go that I hold in a similar regard so it might be a neck-and-neck situation. While I think overall the Brosnan era is looked back on with disappointment because of the decline in quality of the films, I do think it's almost universally agreed that this is not only his best but one of the stand out entries of the whole franchise. I do think nostalgia plays a part for me because this was the first movie to come out after I was born and even though I was only 4 years old when this was released, I remember those next couple of years around 97-98 that this movie made the rounds for us kids and also the video game for N64 played a huge part in getting you into this character. I never had a N64 myself, I actually had a PS1 and my first owned Bond game was the Tomorrow Never Dies one, but anywhere I went to see friends, they all seemed to have N64 and this game, and also the movie poster. It was one of the first movies I remember from my childhood that you had to see because everyone around you were talking about it and referencing it.

With that set up out of the way, I think the opening to this is just classic. The bungee jump down the wall, the infiltration of the facility, meeting 006 and that wonderful climax where Bond drives off the cliff on a bike, glides into the falling plane and manages to pull it up just before it hits the mountains - just a fantastic opening. If License to Kill can be faulted for not being enough like a 007 film, this movie almost feels like a "Greatest Hits" movie bringing back so many elements from the franchise and also giving a new fresh 90's update to it. Following that intro you have a light hearted cat and mouse car race in the mountains between Bond and Onatopp which feels like classic Bond and soon after he makes his entrance at the casino to play opposite her. On the villain side I think this movie is very memorable - 006 himself revealed as a traitor feels like someone who can actually match Bond in combat, Onatopp is a memorable henchman (henchwoman?) reminding me of the days of Jaws and Oddjob (with her taking sexual pleasure in killing and also squeezing the life out of men) and you also have the russian general Ourumov who feels like a nod to the older Bond films, and also Boris - the traitorous computer hacker who just has a weird personality.

It's not just the bad guys that stand out/feel solid but also the locations and the set pieces. That middle action sequence where Bond drives a tank through the streets of Russia is a lot of fun to watch and even as the movie reaches its final third you still get some call backs to previous Bond movies with the part on the train, but also the finale with the hidden base under the lake which feels very You Only Live Twice-inspired. That final fight sequence on top of the giant antenna is really exciting to watch and it's one of those locations that just really stand out. There's also some more fun infused into this and even though I loved License to Kill for being different and more serious, GoldenEye really does feel like a "lets take it back to the formula" movie. I mentioned the scene Dalton had with Q in the last movie and how he almost brushed aside the new gadgets with a "We're not doing this anymore" attitude. In GoldenEye you have a really fun scene with Brosnan and Q where they are having a lot of fun with new gadgets and that felt closer to the Moore days, without taking it too far. Also gotta mention Martin Campbell as the director because he is IMO the best director of the franchise.

The only real negative for my money which didn't hurt my enjoyment is that if you really love some of the older movies, this could maybe feel like too much of a rehash of those days. I think the goal was to make an updated modern Bond with a lot of elements of the golden days of Connery and the popularity of the Moore days, and IMO they did a good job doing that.

GoldenEye (PB)
License to Kill (TD)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Living Daylights (TD)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Octopussy (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
A View to a Kill (RM)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
Never Say Never Again (SC)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 04, 2022, 05:06:30 AM
Not only is Goldeneye my favorite Bond movie, but its one of my top favorite films of all time. From the beginning to the end, I absolutely love it.

And I played the ever living crap out of the video game as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on January 04, 2022, 06:39:15 AM
Goldeneye is about number 5 for me, but would be 3rd (Daylights and Casino are untouchable in 1 and 2) if it had a better actor as Bond.  As someone said Brosnan incorporates aspects of Moore and Connery - but the bad aspects! Connerys arrogance and Moore's smugness and also like Moore, Brosnan just doesn't look right doing action or running, too stiff/inflexable - whereas you can believe Connery, Dalton and Craig in the action moments.  Also and this isn't Brosnan's fault his era is the era of product placement, ropey 90's CGI and seemingly random no name directors.  But I can't argue against the awesomeness of Goldeneye it's a great script with solid action............and Famke and Sean completely steal the film  ;D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 04, 2022, 07:59:56 AM
Since I'm home sick at the moment I managed to get through 2 movies and I thought I'd put my thoughts on both in one post because I don't feel like I have as much to say about them.

Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
Part of me wants to like this one more because I think the action is pretty good, you have a couple of great sequences like Bond and Michelle Yeoh on a bike doing some nice stunts, as well as a great parking garage sequence. However, the movie as a whole just feels a bit too bland to me. I used to have the video game for this, and considering the time it came out, I feel like I should be more hyped for this but in all honesty this is the most forgettable (that's not to say worst) of the Brosnan movies because it's the one I struggle to remember big parts of in between re-watches. I like Jonathan Pryce as an actor but Elliot Carver as a villain doesn't really feel that strong. Teri Hatcher as the former Bond flame is also pretty 'meh' I think. Would have made it more interesting to bring back one of the Bond girls from previous films (either the actress or the character name). Michelle Yeoh is pretty solid though. All in all I would consider this middle of the pack somewhere. It's not as bad as some of the other movies but I feel like it's trying to be on the level of GoldenEye and it just doesn't reach it.

The World is Not Enough (1999)
This is one I would actually defend slightly and say it's not as bad as some people say. I think that whole opening chase when Bond leaves MI6 in a Q-designed boat to chase the assassin is a very strong set piece, I think Elektra has to be mentioned as one of the best Bond girls (and later revealed as villain) and I actually really like the M and Bond relationship that was established in the Brosnan movies and kinda carried over into the Craig films. Before Brosnan it always felt very much like a "Boss/Employee" relationship but I really like that it feels more personal with Bond as opposed to her other agents and when faced with the possibility that Bond has gone rogue or switched sides, Judi Dench-M always seem to have great trust in Bond which I like. Denise Richards is there for her looks obviously and acting wise she is not good in this, and neither is her as a scientist. With that said, I think the second half does get worse but I would still say this is more enjoyable as a viewing than Tomorrow Never Dies for me personally.

I'll hold off with Die Another Day until next post because that one.. oh boy.  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on January 04, 2022, 08:28:08 AM
I'll hold off with Die Another Day until next post because that one.. oh boy.  :lol

Embrace the stupidity of it and there is fun to be had, at least it's not boring!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 04, 2022, 08:40:30 AM
I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before, but TWINE holds a special place in my heart because it was the first Bond film I saw in theaters, my dad took me when I was 10. Seen all of them in theaters since. It’s sentimental values, so this one is a close second to GoldenEye for me when it comes to ranking Pierce’s films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 04, 2022, 10:15:09 AM
I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before, but TWINE holds a special place in my heart because it was the first Bond film I saw in theaters, my dad took me when I was 10. Seen all of them in theaters since. It’s sentimental values, so this one is a close second to GoldenEye for me when it comes to ranking Pierce’s films.

I have similar feelings for sure! It was the first one to come out that I was anticipating and I also played the video game a lot which helped me appreciate that story more I think. It's no GoldenEye but it is my #2 Brosnan movie.

So that takes us to Die Another Day (2002) the final outing of Pierce as Bond.

Now I should start by saying that when this came out, I had a lot of fun with it. I was 11-12 at the time and this was one of those movies I purchased by myself on VHS after I got some birthday money and I went down to the store. "Oh another Bond movie? I need this!". I used to watch this quite a lot at that time because in a day before streaming and downloading really took off, my VHS collection was fairly small and I sort of wanted to get my money's worth by watching this a lot, which I did. I would say this is one of the movies that has aged the worst in the franchise especially having grown older myself. When you're 11-12 watching this movie, you don't necessarily stop to think about just how stupid some of the things happening are. Even the wackiest Bond movies before this had some semblance of being rooted in reality but Bond escaping a giant space laser while windsurfing really has to be the low point of this franchise - and I think the one scene we can look back at and say "This is how we got Daniel Craig Bond". This is kinda your Batman and Robin movie before you get Batman Begins.

I do wanna start with some positives and I think the opening sequence is actually really great. Bond getting captured after his mission fails was very refreshing because in most of these movies we never see him fail a mission, despite all the risks and 'cutting it close' moments. I think him being tortured and held prisoner and later rescued is really good stuff. I like the relationship with M again and if you're just watching the first 15 minutes or so in a vacuum you wouldn't think this movie is that low in the franchise. I would say the movie starts to go off the rails in Cuba though. Halle Berry has been great in many movies but I don't like her performance here and the introduction to the plot of face-swapping is a big bump in the road for me - and we're not even at the place yet where we start to consider an asian man changing his face to one of a Caucasian man yet.

The fencing scene is pretty good and the ice palace setting in itself is also cool but I don't like the invisible car (it just feels TOO much) and even someone like Rosamund Pike who has been great in other movies like Gone Girl just gives a pretty bad performance in this IMO. We soon get to the space laser sequence which is the low point of the movie and I don't think the movie really recovers. The final act just feels very forgettable and quite bad. The fact this movie also has maybe the worst Bond song doesn't necessarily make the movie worse but it sort of adds insult to injury. I do kinda get what Soupytwist said because if you can turn your brain off this does have entertainment in it, but for me it's not enough to really save it. Never Say Never Again is still my bottom pick but if I'm comparing this to Diamonds are Forever and A View to a Kill that I have next on my list, I don't know if this one beats any of them.

Only the Craig ones to go now. :)

GoldenEye (PB)
License to Kill (TD)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Living Daylights (TD)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
The World is Not Enough (PB)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Tomorrow Never Dies (PB)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Octopussy (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
A View to a Kill (RM)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
Die Another Day (PB)
Never Say Never Again (SC)

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on January 04, 2022, 11:15:16 AM
Also John Cleese is dreadful.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 04, 2022, 12:19:25 PM
Tomorrow never dies - Absolutely love it and am always entertained every time I see it. If handled in a better and more realistic way, I think its an incredible plot for a villain. Its not some whacko in a hallowed out volcano holding the world for ransom. Its news media manipulating society into supporting wars and take overs and all this shady shit. I'd argue its the most realistic James Bond plot of all of them, since people have had to deal with propaganda and yellow journalism since the dawn of media.

Regardless, I love the movie.

The world is not enough- I've always found it very dry and boring. Can't remember the last time I watched it.

Die another day -Thought is was shit then and think its shit now. Nothing more to say about that one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 04, 2022, 06:48:58 PM
Tomorrow Never Dies was the most hyped I'd ever been for a Bond film. Coming off a classic as I viewed Goldeneye, with Brosnan more comfortable in the role, and Johnathan Price billed as the villain, I was pumped. So yeah it was a letdown. How can you misuse Johnathan Pryce? Still better than many other one-dimensional Bond villains. But when I saw it a second time, I liked it more. Teri Hatcher contributed nothing to my enjoyment of the film.

There was a bit of a rebound for me with The World is Not Enough. I liked the villain gal and M being incorporated in to her story arc, and was ecstatic to see Robbie Coltrain back. Denise Richards' character is beyond awful, but it doesn't drag down the film much for me. I was ultimately disappointed in Robert Carlyle's character, just thought it fell a bit flat. I rank this one higher than most.

I saw Die Another Day once, thought it was.... ok, and have never felt like watching it again.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 05, 2022, 03:28:58 AM
Getting into the ones I've watched more recently than the classic ones, starting with Casino Royale (2006).

This is one that's been floating around the nr1 spot for me ever since I first saw it, definitely in that conversation. Upon revisiting it, I do still hold it very high. I think the decision to bring the franchise back to basics after Die Another Day was smart, I like the approach of focusing on Bond as a fresh 00-agent. Upon going through the franchise from the start I've actually come to realize that perhaps Daniel Craig wouldn't rank that highly among my personal favorite Bonds - not because I find him bad or anything, it's just tough competition, but I love what he brought in this particular movie. He really hits the nail on the head as a more hotheaded Bond who hasn't quite found his way yet. He makes mistakes and he feels more human and I enjoy that considering this is like a 'first mission' type movie.

The opening chase in Uganda is great and I love how physical it feels. Daniel Craig and the man he is chasing are doing jumps, taking hits and they look tired which makes it feel believable. We take a bit of a slow detour in Bahamas before getting to the next great action sequence which takes place at the airport with Bond trying to prevent a bomb from destroying a plane. I know other people have made this comparison but this all feels very Jason Bourne to me, you can definitely tell those movies had at least some influence on this film. Le Chiffre is a great villain played really well by Mads Mikkelsen and it does feel refreshing to have a bad guy who is under some pressure himself. You get his motivation and desperation. Eva Green gives a good performance as Vesper but if I'm perfectly honest I don't fully buy that Bond falls head over heels for her in what feels like 2 days together. At least not to the point where he is writing his letter of resignation. Just a small pet peeve, I think Eva Green is still great in that role. I also think every second of the poker game is exciting to watch and that whole portion of the movie might just be the best. Really like the small pauses too like when Bond gets poisoned and he has to go to his car.

Before starting this I did think it would come down to this or GoldenEye for my favorite but this time around there were a couple of minor negatives I felt with Casino Royale that didn't necessarily ruin it for me, but just things that stood out slightly. The way Le Chiffre goes out feels just a bit anti climactic but I also felt the movie dragged just a little bit at the end. The last 10-15 minutes or so when it becomes evident that Vesper has gone behind Bond's back and you get that sequence at the house falling apart with Vesper drowning, it almost felt like an epilogue that I didn't need. It is emotional to see her die but then you also have the added scene later when Bond goes after Mr. White at the very end. I didn't dislike the last 15 minutes but for comparison it's like listening to a 75 minute album where 65 minutes are fantastic but there's 1-2 songs that just drop off the quality just slightly and they could have possibly trimmed it.

Casino Royale still makes my top3 though it's a struggle in my head if I like it more or less than License to Kill considering how much I like Dalton. However I do think Casino Royale is still a very good film. :)

GoldenEye (PB)
Casino Royale (DC)
License to Kill (TD)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Living Daylights (TD)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
The World is Not Enough (PB)
Tomorrow Never Dies (PB)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Octopussy (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
A View to a Kill (RM)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
Die Another Day (PB)
Never Say Never Again (SC)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 05, 2022, 05:32:24 AM
I broadly agree with your rankings, but you're being way too harsh on Never Say Never Again. It's not going to rank in the top half, sure, but it's nowhere near that bad. Otherwise, keep up the good work!

My rating would be:

Goldeneye
The Spy Who Loved Me
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
The Living Daylights
Casino Royale
From Russia With Love
For Your Eyes Only
Live And Let Die
No Time To Die
Licence to Kill
Goldfinger
You Only Live Twice
Dr. No
View to A Kill
Tomorrow Never Dies
Skyfall
The World Is Not Enough
The Man With The Golden Gun
Thunderball
Diamonds Are Forever
Never Say Never Again
Moonraker
Spectre
Octopussy
Die Another Day
Quantum of Solace
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 05, 2022, 07:00:45 AM
Casino Royale is a great movie for sure, but I've never really loved. Liked it a lot, but not loved it.

I find DC very stiff in this film. I remember thinking Terminator bond when I first saw it, but he does a decent enough job none the less.

Then there's the Vesper thing. I've never found her super interesting or attractive, but yet after barely spending 2 days with her, DC's bond wants to quit his entire career as a spy and can't stop thinking about her over the course of 5 films. When he was still thinking about her in No Time to Die, I was like is this for real?

Mad's kills it as le chiffre, and is for sure a top 5 favorite villain of mine.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 05, 2022, 07:03:44 AM
Orson Wells was a much better Le Chiffre.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 05, 2022, 08:03:55 AM
While I grew up with Pierce as my Bond, I think Daniel is superior in the role. Casino and GoldenEye are probably tied as my favorite film, with Casino most likely getting the extra point.

One thing I love about Casino in particular is that the Bond theme is not heard the entire film until that glorious, final scene. When Bond becomes fully-formed. 👌
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on January 05, 2022, 09:34:13 AM
Casino is awesome, but I do agree the final action scene in the sinking house is a bit unnecessary (a bit like the underground train sequence at the end of Speed).  But everything before that is glorious - and although Craig isn't my favorite Bond, he's huge improvement over Brosnan.

Quantum next, which is in my opinion the worst Bond film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 05, 2022, 01:25:45 PM
I broadly agree with your rankings, but you're being way too harsh on Never Say Never Again. It's not going to rank in the top half, sure, but it's nowhere near that bad.


What I like about NSNA was how it acknowledges Bond's age (unlike the later Moore films) and shows how Bond's behavior in the 60s films was out of step with the "modern day" 80s setting. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 05, 2022, 02:14:10 PM
I might be too harsh on Never Say Never Again (I will definitely ponder the final rankings a bit more once I'm done with all) but I think the placement has a lot to do with the fact it's basically Thunderball again but worse. I do think something like Die Another Day is arguably worse but Never Say Never Again has that sort of "this didn't need to be made" attached to it. But it could possibly climb a spot or two before we're all done and dusted. :P

Speaking of bad... let's talk about Quantum of Solace (2008).

I think there's a lot of things not working here but the biggest difference for me is just how the movie was helmed, filmed and edited. You go from Martin Campbell who made 2 of the best Bond movies (GoldenEye and Casino Royale) to Marc Forster and it feels like a big step down. The action that was so well shot and edited in Casino Royale is like a jumbled mess in this one. It's like if the worst of the handheld Bourne action scenes had a baby with the worst edited scenes of the Taken sequels. I also think Quantum of Solace starts the negative trend and one issue I have with the Craig movies is focusing too much on connecting the movies together with an overarching plot. I don't mind some continuity but it was always part of the charm of previous films that they stood on their own feet and could be viewed as separate entities.

While this film starts at a high pace I don't particularly enjoy the opening car chase because of the fast editing. Compared to Casino Royale which was kinda purposefully slow through big chunks - because they had faith that the scenes and story would be good enough to keep you engaged, with this movie it feels like they're going at it at twice the speed so you won't get bored. I don't particularly care for the villain in this, he feels very generic and his motivation and plan is just so boring compared to Le Chiffre just the movie before this. Another issue I have with the Craig films that isn't necessarily a big negative is they all feel kinda joyless. They went for a more serious Bond and while there are a few humorous moments, I don't think any of them really have the lighthearted feel of the any previous Bond actors. And if the movies are good, it's not a big negative but for Quantum of Solace which isn't particularly good in my opinion, the fact that it also is fairly humorless, takes itself a bit too seriously, it all makes it a bit of a bore to sit through. Even at 106 minutes, this felt like more of a drag to sit through than Octopussy or Moonraker.

Kinda wanted to like this one more because it is fairly action packed but nothing about it really stands out IMO. I'll semi-spoil my thoughts on the remainder of the films but the Craig era to me is at least consistent that it has 2 great ones, 1 good/decent one and 2 of the worst ones.  :lol

GoldenEye (PB)
Casino Royale (DC)
License to Kill (TD)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
From Russia With Love (SC)
The Living Daylights (TD)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Goldfinger (SC)
The World is Not Enough (PB)
Tomorrow Never Dies (PB)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Octopussy (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
A View to a Kill (RM)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
Never Say Never Again (SC)
Quantum of Solace (DC)
Die Another Day (PB)

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 05, 2022, 05:48:45 PM
Sure QoS is bad in a lot of ways. I would never deny that, but I've always enjoyed it. Guilty pleasure I guess.

It does have probably the worst villain of the series outside of stolen valor boy in The living daylights. I find absolutely nothing threatening about domink green
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 05, 2022, 08:36:21 PM
Long story, kinda relevant... so when my current wife and I were dating, we got stuck in PDX while flying to DEN for the holidays. We were there for 4 days, as snow shut down the area. We spent the first couple days at the airport from morning till night, tying to get a flight somewhere, anywhere, other than there (along with everyone else stuck there). On the 3rd day we finally accepted our fate and decided to make the most of it. We gave up on the airport, found a mall with a theater we could walk to, and watched Quantum of Solace. It was the first time that whole trip we both felt wholly relaxed, and we ended up sleeping through the entire movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 06, 2022, 02:34:02 AM
Time to talk about Skyfall (2012), a beloved favorite for many and I'll try to dodge the mines in the field as best as I can  :lol

This is one that ever since it came out, I've always heard a lot of people say it's the best one, or top3 material. And I know some might disagree with that of course, since Bond rankings are quite subjective (everyone has their favorite Bond and such) but it still seems to be one that most hold in quite high regard. But don't worry, I think this one is great. I just don't quite agree with the highest of praise, and to me this doesn't make my top5 but it still makes the top10. :P

The opening is great, love that chase and fight on the train, "Moneypenny take the shot", hitting Bond instead and sending him into an early retirement after falling off a bridge. I do like Bond coming into MI6 after months out, failing his tests yet still M vouches for him to get back in the field. Just something I like about Judi Dench as M that I didn't get from the previous two M's to that extent. They never felt 'personal' with Bond but Judi Dench has that "I'm still your boss but I think you're a good agent" demeanor. I think the Shanghai portion is pretty good with some great cinematography, I like the look of the island that Raoul Silva has as his base (I believe this is some Japanese island? I read about it and the history is quite cool). Raoul Silva himself is.. fine? He never was in my top tier Bond villains but if you look at the Craig run he's still second best out of the 5 we got, in my opinion.

I don't like the trope of 'the bad guy got caught on purpose' which does happen in this. I think at this point we'd already have it in The Dark Knight, the first Avengers and it's a move in the script I'm not necessarily a huge fan of. I do like the underground chase that comes out of it though. I don't think the movie falls apart but I do consider the 'Home Alone' section of the movie to be maybe just a notch or so below the other big set pieces. I do think Skyfall has the same issue as most the other Craig films where it feels maybe just 10 minutes too long. I think around 2 hours (maybe 2:10) is the sweet spot for a Bond movie and when you're starting to hit 2:20 or above it does start to feel its length just slightly to me. However, even though the final sequence isn't the highlight of the movie for me, I do think Judi Dench taking her final bow is emotional and what she did with the role in her 7 movies was great.

So overall I do think this is a great one but I guess what's missing is that personal 'this is one of my personal favorites' connection with it. I know many people love it, for me I would rate it around the same level of a Spy Who Loved Me (my current #7) where it has a lot of very memorable scenes, it is a very well made film and a standout for the franchise, BUT it doesn't quite break into the top5 or so of personal favorites. I'm still considering my final rankings as some movies might shift when I look at them compared to everything else. :P

Next up we have Spectre which I remember to be one of my least favorites (let's see if that changes) and then finally the most recent one, No Time to Die. :)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 06, 2022, 03:28:02 AM
While this film starts at a high pace I don't particularly enjoy the opening car chase because of the fast editing.

I actually felt physically ill sitting in the theatre watching that - I very nearly walked out, and boy, do I wish I had. Not even Gemma Arterton could save this one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ErHaO on January 06, 2022, 03:37:52 AM
To me QoS is of inoffensive quality. Not good but I don't understand the hate. I think Spectre is significantly worse and dumber. For older Bond films it helps that they are less serious in tone, but let's be real there are some real dumb villain plots in the series that are in no way better.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 07, 2022, 03:34:05 AM
Let's start with Spectre (2015)

This is one that on surface level I feel should be a lot better than it is. It almost feels like the type of movie that benefits a lot from trailers - you can cut together a 2 ½ minute trailer showing the different cool sceneries, some action scenes and you could make this look like something pretty great. However, when watching it I mostly felt bored and couldn't really get into it much. We finally get Spectre back in a Bond movie, and another Blofeld, however the decision to make Blofeld 'Brofeld' and have a personal connection to Bond was such a poor decision in my opinion. You also cast Christoph Waltz - one of the great villains of the screen in the last decade, yet I feel he's both poorly used and just very unmemorable. I remember when he was cast, a lot of people (myself included) thought he could be one of the best Bond villains on the screen and it didn't really pan out that way.

Again I think Spectre continues the mistake of just trying too hard to connect these films and this is probably the movie where it feels the most forced and contrived out of all of them. A lot of scenes look good but unlike Skyfall I don't get that same 'passion' from any of the scenes and it almost feels like everyone is doing this out of contractual obligation rather than being passionate about telling this story. We finally get Monica Bellucci in a Bond movie (though this probably should have happened in the 90s) yet her character feels really miniscule and pointless to the overall movie. Never cared much about Madeleine Swan and trying to make her Vesper 2.0 (this carries a bit into NTTD). Dave Bautista is a good choice for a henchman to fight Bond though. For me it's really a toss up if this or QoS is the worst Bond film. I think this one looks better, is shot more competently and it doesn't have the shaky cam of a cinematographer with parkinsons syndrome like QoS, but QoS is maybe 40 minutes shorter and it doesn't drag AS much.

And to finish off I'll put some thoughts on No Time to Die (2021) but this will be shorter since this just came out and I feel we already discussed this back when it dropped:

I think No Time to Die sits comfortably in between the 2 great Craig films and the 2.. not-so-great ones. I still don't like how they try to connect the story together between all these movies, I'm still lukewarm on Madeleine Swan, and honestly I was disappointed with Rami Malek's character. I like that he's out to kill Spectre agents but it feels like as soon as he accomplishes that goal, he just takes a step back to become 'generic Bond villain from the Connery movies' who wants to do bad things to the world because he can. However, I think the opening scene is good and has some tension when he meets a young Madeleine. I think the Italy scene with Bond at the start when he thinks Madeleine has betrayed him is a great start. The whole Cuba sequence and Ana De Armas is just wonderful and the chase in Norway and the following forest sequence in the fog is really good stuff. The final action sequence isn't up to the same level IMO and I don't like the decision to kill Bond off, but overall I think this is a pretty solid movie with more good than bad. If you compare this to everyone else's final outing as Bond, this is one of the better ones. (Certainly better than Die Another Day, A View to a Kill and Never Say Never Again).


I will ponder my final rankings list a bit, but still curious to hear what you guys think too. Part of me really wants to bump Living Daylights into my top5 but I would also feel bad bumping From Russia With Love or On Her Majesty's Secret Service out of it (oh decisions), I'm still considering some of the rankings further down as well.

Might also do a ranking of the Bond actors for fun. I guess potentially for another post could do a ranking of the theme songs too. :P
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on January 07, 2022, 05:32:07 AM
Your reviews have been great to read and your list actually isn't going to end up much different to mine, the only major differences are I don't rank Majesty's as high as you and I rank For Your Eyes Only as the best Moore movie these days, so that sits comfortably in the top 10.

Your Skyfall review is pretty much spot on how I feel, after coming out the cinema I loved it and would have put it 3rd.....but that films really starts to show it's flaws on rewatches and it's dropped to somewhere around 10th now.

Part of me really wants to bump Living Daylights into my top5

Do it.  Daylights is awesome!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 07, 2022, 06:05:47 AM
Skyfall

Always felt divided on this one. Everybody loves it, so I figured I would love it but I don't. I certainly don't hate it though. I just think it has its flaws. First of all, it feels too long. By the point where M and Bond go off their own, I've pretty much checked out.

I don't need to go back to Bond's childhood home and play home alone. I respect everybody that likes this part, but its just not for me. And yes its a deep and powerful moment, but I just don't want to watch M die.

And then there's Mallory who comes off as a stuffy dickhead and that's not what I want out of an M. Everytime he's on screen I feel like I've been sent to the principal's office and I'm not into it.

People have made the Joker, Dark Knight comparison. I never really thought of that, but I can see why people say it. My actual gripe was that things just work out too conveniently for Silva. There's a lot of convenience in general in this film. Like it was really convenient that they fork lift crane on the Train in the beginning just happened to have keys in it and that Bond can survive that mental fall off the bridge, with a gunshot in him as a well.

Ok, I've bitched enough, on to the stuff I love about the movie. Bardem as Silva is awesome and I think might be a top 3 villain for me out of the whole series. I just love him.

Love the Adele song and I absolutely love the cinematography. The film is sleek, beautiful and breathtaking in many shots.

So overall, I think there's a really decent movie in here, but its muddied by some of the criticisms mentioned prior.


SPECTRE

There's only 2 Bond films that I outright hate. Die another day and this one.

God where do I even start. First of all, Its soooooo boring....

The plot just sputters along, seemingly directionless. The chase scenes are like taking Ambien. 

Mr. JINX is a real poor man's Jaws. And even though Jaws also didn't talk, his non verbal communication said it all. The SPECTRE organization has cult like vibes here and yeah, never really got that impression from the originals.

It takes true talent to make Christoph Waltz boring, but my god did they do it here. I don't even know what to say. This portrayal of Blofeld is so bizarrely off and shitty.

I am the author of your pain... No your not, you are a half baked joke of a villain that was shoe horned in and never set up at all. Yeah, it sucks they didn't have the SPECTRE rights, but to swerve after 3 movies and be like "yeah it was SPECTRE all along" is dumb. They should have saved SPECTRE for the next bond actor's movies and do it right from the start, because this is a mess.

Always hated that they are now brothers for some reason. Was thrown in there randomly, also with no build up and added nothing really besides just another point of criticism.

Bond's escape from the desert base is hilarious, he just runs in a strait line completely exposed and god mode just shoots like 50 guys. Get real.

A lot of people don't like the opening song. It doesn't really bother me, but It a real tragedy that Radiohead song SPECTRE was rejected. Its my favorite Bond song of all of them and it wasn't even used  :lol.

I was so ready to love SPECTRE, but I walked out the theater so disappointed.

But I'll end on a positive note. The opening day of the dead sequence may be my favorite opening of any James Bond film. Just love it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 07, 2022, 07:37:03 AM
I personally think Spectre gets way too much negativity, and IMO, it’s nowhere near the worst Bond film. The only real complaint I have with it is that the plot is very thin, and the whole brother thing with Bond and Blofeld should never have gotten approved. But on every other level, it’s good: the action, acting, cinematography, set pieces, locations are all there. If we compared Spectre with Quantum, I’ll take Spectre any day. Just by the editing alone.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 07, 2022, 03:54:54 PM
I personally think Spectre gets way too much negativity, and IMO, it’s nowhere near the worst Bond film. The only real complaint I have with it is that the plot is very thin, and the whole brother thing with Bond and Blofeld should never have gotten approved. But on every other level, it’s good: the action, acting, cinematography, set pieces, locations are all there. If we compared Spectre with Quantum, I’ll take Spectre any day. Just by the editing alone.

Yeah I think you might be right with this vs QoS.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 09, 2022, 07:42:11 AM
So my rankings of the movies as of now (this could change with time/re-watches ofc) would look something like this:

GoldenEye (PB)
License to Kill (TD)
Casino Royale (DC)
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From Russia With Love (SC)
The Living Daylights (TD)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (GL)
The Spy Who Loved Me (RM)
----
You Only Live Twice (SC)
Live and Let Die (RM)
Skyfall (DC)
Goldfinger (SC)
----
The World is Not Enough (PB)
No Time to Die (DC)
Tomorrow Never Dies (PB)
For Your Eyes Only (RM)
The Man With the Golden Gun (RM)
Thunderball (SC)
Moonraker (RM)
Octopussy (RM)
Dr. No (SC)
A View to a Kill (RM)
Diamonds Are Forever (SC)
Never Say Never Again (SC)
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Spectre (DC)
Quantum of Solace (DC)
Die Another Day (PB)

So top 3 I'm fairly happy with - GoldenEye carrying a lot of nostalgia, Casino Royale imo the best of the Craig era and as a huge Dalton fan I need to represent that. The second block are imo movies that are all top5-good quality wise, and From Russia With Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and The Spy Who Loved Me bring that 'classic Bond' representation but The Living Daylights is also up there for me.

The third block with You Only Live Twice, Live and Let Die, Skyfall and Goldfinger is another very consistent block of films IMO and while they're not up at the very top for me, I do think they are 'above average' so to speak. Very enjoyable films. The next block has the most amount of films in it and these are the ones that I consider to be a mix of good to guilty-pleasure, the ones I wouldn't really mind to watch again if they are on TV or what not.

Then we get down to the bottom and I would say the bottom 3 are fairly solid though I could go either way on something like Never Say Never Again vs Spectre as I don't feel strongly about either one. I've seen Die Another Day probably a good 15-20 times in my life and even though it's my bottom pick I would still watch it again if I went through the other Brosnan films. I don't have that much positive to say about it but it's still a bit entertaining in a "I can't believe they made this" sort of way.

In terms of the actors, just going on impulse without overanalyzing it, for me I would say something like: Dalton > Connery > Craig > Brosnan > Moore > Lazenby (I love the one film Lazenby made but I find ranking him to be very hard because even though I liked him a fair bit, there's not much to go on)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 09, 2022, 07:48:53 AM
My ranking would be:

1. Casino Royale
2. GoldenEye
3. The Spy Who Loved Me
4. Goldfinger
5. Skyfall
6. The World Is Not Enough
7. No Time To Die
8. Live And Let Die
9. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
10. Thunderball
11. For Your Eyes Only
12. Spectre
13. Tomorrow Never Dies
14. The Living Daylights
15. Dr. No
16. Licence To Kill
17. The Man With The Golden Gun
18. You Only Live Twice
19. From Russia With Love
20. Octopussy
21. Moonraker
22. A View To A Kill
23. Die Another Day
24. Quantum Of Solace
25. Diamonds Are Forever
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 09, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
Couldn't rank em all really, but I do know that my top 3 are:

Goldeneye
Spy who loved me
On her majesty's secret service
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Orbert on January 11, 2022, 10:22:50 AM
Quantum of Solace... we ended up sleeping through the entire movie.

Not to knock on your story, but I've tried twice to watch that movie, and fallen asleep both times, so this struck me as funny.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 13, 2022, 10:22:18 PM
I have a hard time ranking the Bond films. Die Another Day and Dr. No are so different, from different eras in film making, social norms, and geopolitics, for example. In some ways it barely feels like the same series. There even feels like such a big gap between Live and Let Die and A View to a Kill.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 14, 2022, 10:38:42 AM
I have a hard time ranking the Bond films. Die Another Day and Dr. No are so different, from different eras in film making, social norms, and geopolitics, for example. In some ways it barely feels like the same series. There even feels like such a big gap between Live and Let Die and A View to a Kill.

Haha yeah I can definitely agree with that. I was taking notes as I was going through them and looking back, I was mostly positive towards a movie like Dr. No saying that while it didn't quite have the formula down yet, it was a solid movie in its own right. Eventually it ended up quite low on my list. I guess I tried to look at it more from a "how much enjoyment do i get from this?" rather than trying to compare the movies on a quality level.

I do kinda hope the next Bond actor is a bit more tongue-in-cheek though. I don't think we necessarily need Roger Moore in clown makeup doing Tarzan yells while swinging, BUT as much as I like Daniel Craig (not one of my personal favorites but he was good) I do hope we get a slightly lighter tone, at least some more humor infused. I don't know if there are any favorites for the role but someone I think would be good would be Dan Stevens, who I highly enjoyed in The Guest. However there's probably a hundred great actors who could do a good job. :)